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The Good and Bad of Fear with John Welches

The Exsellence Mindset Podcast

20:18 min | 1 year ago

The Good and Bad of Fear with John Welches

"Are you looking to pursue excellence and take your success to the next level Lorraine Place Welcome to excellence mindset with your host Ryan James Camila. What's up everybody? Welcome to. I Dunno no no we have kicked off twenty twenty We are ten days into the New Year right into the new year and I promised recently I was going to be doing more video We had an idea for a topic to talk about. And so we decided that we were going to do it. Right now. this is gonNA be on Youtube. Cut The audio. Probably do it as a bonus episode of the podcast coming up. I don't know what it's going to be called on what the topic is title is. We're just going to wing it as we go. We should get topic dice topic dice. You know pretty cool. Yeah one is one is a pain point and then one is a a solution or one could be like a product excellence mindset could sell okay so it would be like Like growth on one dice and the other one would be like employees like Your stripper name is a street. You grew up on and and your dog's name. What's your dog's name? Cash cash cash landmark or. My first dog was Peaches so peaches land foxy walnut. That's kind of wins. I Win I win all right so somewhat. What jokes aside We are here to talk about something. Yeah mine reasonably good right so a couple of weeks ago John by the way. You probably don't know you may have not seen his face. He may have seen his face. John Welches here founder President of Red Mallard content marketing agency. They help you to tell your story. Well we can get into a whole lot of that other stuff later. We're incubating incubating a new tagline or something for like the Nine Thousand Times transform ends form your story sparked conversations get results Bom okay there you know John now for six ears. Maybe you're seven. This is your seven two thousand thirteen. That's right now. This is your seven. We do a lot of work together. consulting in organizations a lot of times I'll all go into an organization and I'm working on sales and business development process. They clearly need content. Branding John's team comes in vice versa. A lot of times you are working with organizations and they have the back end. Their their sales team is disjointed. Their sales team is Just is on there. All rogue rogue all over all over the place half of them use Lincoln poorly the other half. Don't believe in link Dan none of them do any outreach than the occasional call the occasional occasional pop in so the the nurturing needs you. I shouldn't have said but just not smart. Okay so I'll be negative this. This is twenty twenty. Eh Vision clarity. Positively positively go authenticity. Generosity and gratitude are my three words for twenty twenty. My three the words are to be determined. They are to be determined awesome. Okay so oh a couple of weeks ago you posted something on linked in Talking about fear yes and so we thought that would be something great to talk about about so Like I feared looking to washed out and so I put on my coat You can comment and Hashtag coat or no coat or no coat. We're going to put that in the instagram story. Plus to clinch just this clip collider no Coda all. You'd see otherwise is my beard floating against the Whitewater. That's good. I can't wait to move in. We're moving into a new office soon. I can't wait to do that because I can't wait to finally put color on the walls I know I yeah. I was going to do it in here. And I'm over it now Soon we will announce our new location. Can't wait to have you there. We should have a party. It would be interesting. We're GONNA have a party okay. So fear so have an interesting question for you so fear is often associated with failure. Yes so I thought about this so much better when I was in the restroom but Do you is do you think that there is more the record I know I know. Is there more fear tied to the thought of failing pulling for you. This is for you just thought of failing or is there more fear tied to failing and then having having to admit or deal with the failure failing and having to admit deal. Yeah well I own. I thought I thought I knew you were or you were going with this. I almost thought you were actually going with. Is there more fear of the outcome. Like actually being what I wanted to be. Sometimes that's the case. Okay let's go. Oh there in a minute okay. So fear failure or fear of the the the dealing with the actual failure. Is that right. Yeah fear of failure or fear Of Yeah yeah fear failing yeah like but but how you then the repercussions of failing. Okay I think the repercussions of failing. Have I've pretty much. I've I've gotten to a point where the repercussions of failing is merely. Okay what's next okay. You know if you're excited about what's next or you're like Oh shit what's next. We're in the midst you know I feel like I have a client that is is maybe on off you know looking for somebody else like they're not as engaged. They're not being personable. It's like but you know I've done everything I can accept from. You know flying out there and showing up uninvited so whilst you send him a box of chocolates breath tried that okay Okay that's fair okay so to to what you were going to say well so the whole thing with that with that Klein is like we want them. We want to keep them. We want to help them. Grow all these things but if there's just stuff that's been done that can't be undone done or there is a perception or there's a feeling I can't do anything change right so I feel like I've gotten to a point where I'm okay with that. Nobody wants to lose business. But I I know. Businesses is as you've taught me is it. It comes and goes comes from places you don't expect okay so see you just you open up a rabbit hole. Also now. We're going to go down this a little bit so I think that there. There is a big challenge when I think about failure and I'm just going to think about it for myself like on one hand. We've we've been taught rightfully so to be okay with failure right. It's like you're GONNA fail. Be Okay okay. Yeah everything's GonNa be okay and we believe that right like we believe that the outcome is in some sense determined ahead of time like we. Are you know we are running the race and what a set before forest is and we're doing the best that we can but ultimately the outcome is going to be what it's GonNa be And we'RE GONNA learn from that we're going to grow from that like that's all great so in in that sense like with that but I also feel like there is a lot of destruction maybe There's a lot of challenge with just saying I'm okay with it. You should be okay with failing because then I almost feel like it's like well then who cares. It's like I'm just going to do whatever I do. And if I fail over so I feel like there needs to be made me. More tension healthy tension on both sides of those things. What about that? What do you think the tension is there just to simply provide balance in the midst of? Because there's gotta be an attitude of have not like you know F it but it's it's more an attitude of like you know we're gonNA try. We're GONNA try to identify the what is going to be the the best situation for us whether it's personal for me going to the gym. I WanNa go to the gym. I pay to go to the gym. When I'm at the gym I love it? I've Ben in a year but you're walking walking. Follow me at at Jam welches on Instagram. You can see 'em welches walks. Thank you yeah good inspiration go uphill like the words encouragement you get to see cash. Cash the dog cash the dog stripper anyways. He he may. That's right so I think it. Is there a sense of like we need tension that that like you said is our attention that polls you both good and bad and I don't know if this is along the same lines but it makes me think of a pendulum where you know. I'm a really sensitive person. I'm I'm I'm Now accepted that like sometimes I view it as a weakness. I know it's my strength. But sometimes there's there's there's components that balance it out and so part of that sensitivity is is that's what allows me or enables me to engage in really care about people have deep conversations and sometimes that leads to new opportunities for Red Mallard sometimes it just creates a friend sometimes just a one time good conversation and the other side though is that when I feel excluded or when I feel questioned or when I feel like somebody thinks that I'm not as smart as I am not specifically my wife mother. My sister the women in my life. I I get really defensive and start to scramble and I start to like either lash out or just try to figure out. What did I do wrong? And it's like that's like obsessing over failure in the sense of maybe I didn't fail. Yeah Yeah but I'm failing in my in the expectations. I've set for myself or the expectations for this relationship chipped situation. I am not meeting my expectations. Yeah that's to me that could be interpreted as a failure or it. It is a necessary situation to go through for growth. And that's what it is. Yeah however in the moment it sucks yeah absolutely absolutely uh-huh. Yeah so I think that and again you know culture kind of drives the message so I think the message has been well driven into US though. It doesn't always encourage US or get us out of it over the last so many years that like. It's okay to fail we. Do you need to hear that you know we need to be less afraid of failure. Don't worry about what other people think but I want to plead my case for the other. Otherside go ahead. Which is people? Ask Me this all the time. Like what. What are my motivators right? Like what is it like when I coach people it's What gets you out of bed every single day right? Like what are you willing to lay on the lay yourself on the line and one of the things I repeatedly say is like I am deathly afraid of putting my family back into the position that they were in in two thousand twelve in the beginning of two thousand thirteen gene which required us to ask for help to receive outside support financially to put food on the table and I can qualify all those statements by saying it was one of the greatest growth periods of my life it killed. My pride caused me to be humble. That's my relationships. Like it was amazing leasing. It's caused me to be more generous. So that's all good but I'll do anything I can with integrity aligned with WHO. I am as an individual. I will do anything to keep my family from being put back into that position so that is a healthy fear for me. Because I'm afraid to fail in that regard right so oh I feel like it can be really good if it's if it's channeled appropriately. Yeah I think fear I mean you know there's in the Bible it talks talks about fearing God or I think what people get confused by that and I it sometimes confuses me but I think mostly I'm just means revere God yeah or give reverence where references do and so. I think the other side of the coin is to in those situations to whether whether you're faced with them or you're afraid of being faced with them it's to enter it with that that humility that you talked about of I I may not have the answer. I may not have the tools to get me out of this. That's where people can come in so I think that's where if people are looking for community Eh or don't have or don't or in a community that's maybe the first step is to look around you and to see the kind of community that you've surrounding yourself with and so do you feel like you're in a community now. Were that would not be the case. If you know something were to happen and you were faced with that situation again. Are you surrounded with the people that would that would jump in again. Oh absolutely no question. So that's why again like it's not ought sent a fear of it really happening. Well it is a really really happening us. Good Heaven anybody. I think what we're talking about. Just financial challenges. Right ruin ruin. I lost my house right like I had to give away every toy that we owned or give it back to the bank or whatever like it was brutal it was really bank. No like good toys always comes around like a happy sad like Clo- that was a guy pulled up in a trade with the trailer until one day and took I I Basically my four wheel family toy back off on the trailer with him because I can no longer afford to pay for that kind of like the tricycle. No not the CABALA RENA stuff I still get to play with those like the idea. Yeah though of this clown that goes around taking toys from Children Okay Cloud Repo clown the clown clown stripper as well Okay so we wanted to kind of make this short and sweet but I think that What we're both taking from? This is that one. Maybe there needs to be more dialogue around the things that we fear being honest with that Having people around us us. That are supportive of that I think being self aware of where we live land because I think for some people. They're more in the the fear like fears bad for them right on healthy and so they need to be sucked into like the good that fear can bring potentially or just being even just saved from from the bad part the other people are so they think they're so impervious indestructible That they don't fear anything I think think they're ignorant right like there. There are some there. I mean there are people that have that ability that will always be successful and you know what there are people that will live in fear and we'll be successful too. Yeah and I think that's. It's so much about grit and effort and showing up and then it's so much about who you are. The kind of people you're attracting and betting on and who do you want to be in the sight of God inside of your family in the side of your friends In how you feel like like you're being cultivated as a leader whether or not we like it or not. We are all in a leadership position. Were all have somebody. That's looking up to us in some capacity for good or bad reasons totally yup and so I think that that should be maybe not a fear of letting people down but like you said an awareness of the responsibility that we all have avenue and I think that even there right like we should be afraid of letting people down in a healthy way right like I think I fear is yeah. I mean that's one way to put it. Yeah I think the other thing though is that people no matter what we tell people they may choose another route. Yeah they may choose and a whole other thing and they have have to go through that situation because that situation was designed for them to go through Yup totally agree okay so a lot more awareness. Lot more understanding And I think a good community people around us as super help for that. It has to be because we're we. Can't you know People WanNa do it by themselves but then than those are the people that step on people to get to the next level whereas if you surround yourself with like-minded or all that kind of stuff you can celebrate together. I mean I'm person I'm a percent struggles with envy that struggles with comparison that struggles with one. What other people have always have been? I'm more aware of it. I've grown grown past it to some degree but it's still something that creeps in. Yeah that always makes me you know wonder what am I doing wrong. Yeah and it's like well don't focus on what you're doing wrong. Just focus on where your strengths are. Dr That for me is connecting with people. That's why we're going through. We're going through a process thing in business right now to get all the butts in the right butts in the right seats and that allows house me freedom to focus on the areas that I need to focus on which is to be you Hoffy and conversations and what a great king off stories. He's kicking off transforming stories. I love that you looked at the camera when you did. That's good that they look at me though. I don't know I don't even know if anybody's GonNa look but that's a person listener too. Well that'll be good. Yeah All right so we're wrapping fear you gotTA deal with it. You'll be good. You will be careful. Be Around people. Yeah but most importantly be authentic. Oh here we go and transform story what idiot this guy I hashtag. There he goes all right. It's GONNA be up on Youtube again. We'll cut the audio. Probably get onto the podcast at some point point fine random conversations. I think they're really helpful as ideas. Come up ways to just continue to think about the things that we're dealing with on a regular basis personally and professionally if you have. I have thought an idea. A story to tell hit me up Email linked in instagram. Whatever you WANNA do it's all there and Four this new format I fun opportunity for you. The first person that is on Youtube or goes goes to youtube and is subscribed to my youtube channel and comments. I don't care what you comment you can come anything I'm going to send you an excellence. Mindset Coffee Mug comment coat or no coat. Oh Yeah do you like John's Co that's it. You have to comment coat or no coat. Do you prefer the coat or no coat. Looks like it's a it's a it's an all day and what I mean not completely feel oh no coat okay now back on or coat so that there. It is subscribe comment on Youtube. Only no other. I mean you can comment on other social but you have to comment on Youtube coat or no coat. I want to do that. One of these wonderfully them five. Your wife wants him out of the out of the garage. Know what an idiot what that we we out thanks so much for listening to this. Episode of Excellence Mindset with Moore and James Miller. If you enjoyed today's episode please leave a review and subscribe and for more content into stay up to date visit why James Dot com will cash in next time.

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Celebrating 100 Episodes with a Few of my Favorite People

The Exsellence Mindset Podcast

1:20:20 hr | 9 months ago

Celebrating 100 Episodes with a Few of my Favorite People

"Welcome to authentic conversations with Brian James, Miller. And Ryan, as speaks with talk business leaders and influencers. Mastered the art of authenticity to achieve all that they dreamed. As, he here from these leaders seek not only to be inspired by their authenticity, but strive for and master your own. To. Number one hundred. New. Do. That's the first time I got out of him. This guy closed million dollar deals and he does not even celebrate like that. You don't. If you did not know I have to say that that voice is the wonderful handsome debonair. One of my greatest friends thread most trusted advisers. Man in the world. The one and only John Welches. Applause. There was applause for head sound effects, I would do it. John was guest one hundred on the podcast. I mean number one, he one, hundred, two. Well, he was guest one on the podcast. He was guest I think it was like fifty something when we did it again, I'm not a hundred percent positive but Ian but it was this is one hundred. This is one hundred percent happening. Oh, a drink every time we say one hundred taken drinks we're drinking on the podcast you just heard that. All right. So That's not all. We don't just have John Know is if we had only John, you're great and I love you i. Am the least of these I love you but there is great. Beautiful wonderful. Hot and sexy can't talk too much about that. Right now, this is like rated. Not. ARBAT NOT A. She is. Mature. Mature Yeah Ma or something like that. She is my best friend. She's my baby. She's been on many episodes of the podcast. We were doing Sunday downloads for awhile. And now famous Michelle Mila. You'RE GONNA have to talk louder or no one will ever hear you. Might, go right her face I. Know You probably just GonNa have to eat the Mike. Okay episode. One hundred. Remember what it likely I started. John you're much more calmer. No Way. You are less refined. You become a very fine interviewer. A very fine interview I feel so important for that. It was rough. To carry the whole. GOTCH drink already talking to John made us if you're watching this on video you're going to see some of it but if you are only listening, you are not going to know that we are drinking old fashioned crafted by John Himself. clumsily. Cooked plums. He did spill I did but you got it together. We have drinking made workout drinking. We had shot a fireball already to. needs to know everybody needs to know everything. If you're not watching, you're not experiencing I was against my will that is so I handed you the people during fireball as willingly as you. It's so good but this was warm and so it wasn't that good. It's like a big rig liquefied. Mess. Yes. Okay. That's good. read. This episode is brought to you by Red Mallory. Okay just for that, you're GonNa have to pay me and. I'll give. You still own me. Back. You Owe me. When we started episode number one, July in two, thousand eighteen. I remember yes. We started how many months was that after you love your job month and a half. But I had already been using so before So we were since retired excellence mindset that was the original podcast name. We are authentic conversations it's. Way Better for real but I remember I was using the name I was using the. Logo. I was sharing some south along that idea. Yeah. So but it's just. Very simple back then. Excellence mindset was also a misspelling. I'm her attention on I'm with you. But it has to be noted. That it was it wasn't misspelling, but it was club it was. Excellence and selling, but it just didn't fit all the way well defined audience which I'm all you know I love niches, I, I love helping people, People's. Stitches, ditches riches in the niche snitching get stitches. I am ear. I don't know. Isn't that say? Snatches get stitches, get stitches. See you're here to clarify things that we said never heard. What? You never heard that before if you snitch, you get a stitch in and get you bumpy. I was never on the streets as much as you. All. My Gosh should have you ever watched a movie. Always Funny that's exactly the movie that came to my mind. I don't think they said that I haven't seen the now. Now they did it. What's your favorite movie John Boob? That's a great question. Okay. By the way should know already that episode one hundred is just going to be a whole bunch of stuff off topic nonsense maybe running into something really serious at some point. So I'm sinophile. So I I love a lot now come on. I I love all kinds of movies. My favorite movie though is more like a part of my upbringing. It's Lawrence of Arabia. which is one of the great epochs that was ever made back in the sixties by the EPA director David Lean. And I saw this movie the first time. On the twenty share. On the twenty fifth anniversary showing at the was the ARC light in La. And it was to me it was it was a massive event because you know what my memory serves there were. People, like dignitaries from all over the world come to watch the movie of Washington Louis now come on. Though me on. And so you know that was my first movie eater experience, and this is like a massive epic set in the the though the Arabian desert is the story of t lawrence. Wright played by Piero tool in his first real movie role as prolific actor, I mean just went out to do amazing things. And it's an amazing movie in the real story of you know during the world. War, one, the the the Arab tribes are all rivaling subversion empire for the territory. I know this is not exactly what your audience wants to however yet there's There's no. Want your other than the fact that you're stance. It became the first my first movie theater experience to memory and I just I've I love watching this movie more and more and more, and so when I realized I mean so I said I, I like all kinds of movies. So when the star wars original episodes came how so the real ones to realize no, not the four, five and six. One two and three. Will. We were in love with four five and six. That's what our upbringing was. So we we camped out. For episodes one two and three big new. At fashion, island one of the biggest theaters west of the Mississippi held like. Five hundred, six, hundred people. Amazing theater amazing experiences. What I realize in camping out for that movie was all those dignitaries that I thought were there for that twenty-fifth anniversary special were just people dressed up in sheets as Arabian. Up as Bova fat or Darth Vader or whatever I was shirtlessly darth vader mask on running after Mercedes. Benz. I was twenty. Okay. Remember when we camped out for. Them. It was one of the re releases of one of the new star. Wars. Down at Irvine Spectrum Small G. Did yet unique. Well, we didn't camp out with in line for hours. and. I'll never forget. This is pre was ellen at all three in one day none of it was that one time. But. I was so high. That we got into the theater after waiting all that time. I fell asleep and I don't even remember watching. Remember class. White as high as well why do not be alternative. Case. Way I remember what's your favorite movie a question Other billy. Madison. Might there might favorite by in China's do you know that is? You know that I got a lot of good feedback off of my it's school appear pants post the other day now because everybody thinks Billy Madison is sunny and and. Multiple people followed up with. If It's cool to pee your pants Mommy Miles Holly Miles Davis Multiple People. Send me that message who know the album of jazz albums kind of blue by miles, Davis? So, go on. Okay. Favorite. You can't have on here. Don't have. The lace, right? Yeah. What are they gonNA I can't fix down door I mean who cares you got broken into you? Okay. We're GONNA come back to this I. Don't forget. I like the old movies too like from my childhood. But mine are not quite as Classy, as yours like pretty big breakfast club Oh that's classy him. I like breakfast. Clark. I'm talking more like. goonies. Classic. clueless as a new word. That's another one. I like Alec Comedies. Typically. What's your favorite how? We I mean we have Billy Madison. There's so many different types of. Comedy. Films. Like. The Adam Sandler movies are stupid funny like literally like you're like y you are almost embarrassed that you're laughing because it's so dumb the for seven minutes a super troopers. You have that's not stupid. Funny. That's pretty like. Cook Yeah Yeah I don't know it just depends on my mood. I like all different types of funny I liked What are the movies was Chris Tucker and Rochon rush hour movies I enjoy those because it's funny or blows. You understand the way that. I told you this episode. I'm so sorry everybody like twelve minutes in and we have been really said anything good. What do they need to hear? I don't know yet. It just GONNA come to us at one point. One of my favorite movie of all time. She likes those types of needs why why? Why do you respond like that? I mean, it's A when I, the only thing I liked about top guy was my parents got surround sound. Like. Alien Hajjis. They got surround sound in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, two of the planes flying all around. That's the thing we put on. I? Like we weren't cool. We missed the LASERDISC era. You Know Orange County living. We got you know a DVD. Bose speakers and goes you know that's the thing and you could see these speakers because. Wasn't. You couldn't put speakers in the ceiling yet or in the walls and so are we couldn't afford. But in a really big hole, that was a big moment though is like all amazing soundsystem on this thirty two inch TV. Deeper, than the screen. So that's all I like about that movie i Tom Cruise is fine actor because, but we've been spoon fed that he is a fine actor. He just plays a great character. He Maverick is dope and so is Cole trickle from days of Thunder. Worse Oh my gosh that is utter guard on my gosh utter garbage. All those good things said about him earlier I don't know if I can if I can support. Movies and he loved what Roadhouse Roadhouse. I reference loose I referenced a Patrick swayze quote in from roadhouse yesterday on Instagram I did. You. WanNa know what I reference. Did you. Ever whatever especially ever made He's about turning tells people to be nice. Even, when people are getting our time, you should be nice. That's a good lesson virginal really get until the end. He pulls the guys jugular out of his throat and kills him. He was trying to be nice. The Guy Pushing too far I mean you see what happens in society today when people get pushed. Let's go there showy not yet are not ready. Discussion you can't. We're going to put you on blast. You're here you're stuck talking now. Now what? He's kill the moment l. so exciting for a sec us. Yes she. Now. You Kill the moment when you talk about about Tom Cruise that's right. Seriously I'll take the you'll take the fall everybody right now. Now you don't have a public instagram profile. Said you can lay them to send you hate them a nice if you support Tom Cruise. You don't like John said Click vote now click something texts him. Say Send out your cell phone number. I don't know if my heart my phone. needed. Nobody knows. Nobody knows remind junior high best friend. I remember their numbers by her you. Yeah. Ira My original phone number house is it still offer the say? Ms I don't WanNa say no call, my mom, seven, one, four, five, eight, four, nine, hundred, seventy. I don't think it's sad anymore. Call, the number seven, one, four, five, four, nine, six, seven to ask for Carol. I don't think that she has a phone number anymore he convene of lunch. I should have you call my mom on her real phone. That would be so amazing. could you imagine with this fireballs? No no no. Not Not even close and we have like three more shots to go before. That would be so funny. Maybe I'm GonNa do the future blog. I would put my mom Salah number up there and I'm to get people to call. Episode is. Poured other it hasn't Johnson warning. Now. This is and he's talking the back and he's not Mike. John Cena morning like I. Him But like announcing a pay per view. On events. Lease, morning. No snow monopoly Google. David Letterman disagreeing his mother and show. BITs. You should bring care on on on does not listening to this podcast. We'll I I'm pretty sure his mother didn't watch every episode David Letterman. Show seem like. She's listening to six episodes. But me. Oh my gosh. We're not your target audience. You're my friend you know friends you're supposed to support each other. In the general them giving you any more referrals no more profits are not welcome in their own home you know that. All High Gospel I get to hear you every day who live and in person. So. Let's not try to avoid on me. What if you were listening to other guests said love listen I only money you I've had some wonderful. That she did was gone said, that's not non-settlers. Total. If I'm tuning in because I'm too need to hear what you have to say no no no you have. You could have listened to a wonderful story heather foul com. Two and a half hours I think we talk I. Think I cut down the episode a little bit. She climbed a mountain Mount Kilimanjaro Right Yeah. I always get the big mountains confused. She just posted about it the other day she should it was an amazing story Ian. You'RE GONNA go back in like. Mark that post mark that episode tell them how to do his job He does a good job when he does that stuff. Okay. That was less subtle reminder to do a good job. When you do this them, he does a good job way to talk off the. Trail. What's the best thing Michelle that's happened in twenty? Twenty. So many amazing things. I don't know her choose. That sarcasm by the way. Tripping on. Circus. I just think maybe the time at home all of us together. More valuable time. Even. Though we're kind of forced to have it or especially the beginning when there was the whole stay home. In order but. Probably that just being together more. Do that I'm literally talking I was making sure your mic saw. Mary, you're talking so quiet marriages I off is this whole time? You must have clean. You may big intention. Man Ali over Dole talk about the movie. Your. Area, we're GONNA hear. You're my. Heart's Oh my gosh I knew it I. I couldn't sour. I couldn't have your audio to bring everybody up to speed Michelle loves goonies. Love, talking to me, I she loves hearing for me, but she doesn't necessarily listen to the PODCAST Ryan did not turn on his wife. Dude I checked it earlier you. Touch it. It's here. I'm GonNa give my piece of advice as somebody who's been married less than time than you. Got So full of it. Christine welches. I want you to know the weather I to know whether or not out say I wanNA know whether or not John Jose my name. All While, man, you said some good stuff and there's no way it's going to get picked up in their amy having your mom. You know what it wasn't meant to be too now isn't the Lord Ordained To, not be you. Ever got up with the Mike Oh. Now, you're GonNa Start cussing asked me about my favorite twenty twenty. No I'm back to Michelle. She's not didn't get the answers or Mike was an welcome Michelle to the show. I Have A. Son. Of God. Okay. What's the favorite thing that happened? Everybody knows that twenty twenty has not been awesome. We had challenges there's been quarantine. There's been racial tension there's been political divide that does not mean good is not happened you said. That time at home. But I want you to think what is one thing like you're just so popped up that's happened at one point. I'm not setting you up at. You like you're trying to lead me to saying, okay sink about that John What's one thing that's been your super happy about the Tappan wanted Elsie May. Fourth Child. Holy. Screen his face. This world there's nothing more than matters. See there's always political the vine there's always going to be disruption and Culture Blah Blah Blah there's there's only one time when new life emergence who in. Shall we drop all of our Mike's done at their? You we're always in disagree the three of us are never going to agree on everything I know a culture media social media everybody has something to say it always matters. That's very important however. Stack that up against the child. For nineteen years into my marriage let me tell you something. Go ahead. You GonNa hear it usually get. You can always agree you can always find a way to agree as. The. Just that's a compromise you agree. Compromise not not the key. I think it's owning and elevating. PODCAST and elevating marriage marriage therapy. Okay. Tell me what you mean by that. I think more. You are still listening right now. I'm going to send you a hat or something. It probably allow a handle review. No. Not? Right there's been boxes arriving every day every day. Please tell us owning and elevating is owning means that even if you feel your right. You need to know that somebody else them being ranked to them. Is. Is is sometimes the moment more important? An elevate that person. Even if they're dowse your partner whatever. Even if they're wrong. What they wrong about I don't that's on saying talking about debating opinion or truth. What is truth? All. Right. I'm Bring Bible in First Corinthians you shallow in right now we know in part. Then, we shall know in Paul. Okay when is it ever human truth is is all we know is true. What if Jesus was talking about? Politics. But what does the Bible talking about? Before Jesus died after Jesus stuck. Clarify that quash. Buying time. So, what if? When Jesus forties came. Right it was It was prophecy right prophesying coming prophesied. What happened And so he came he revealed himself. Yes, and so now we have the truth. And so we're not waiting on a future. What are we to know? What wait now what will he give pretty clear instructions on what we need to know. Love Him. Lovers. So then what other waiting I'M NOT WAITING FOR ANYTHING You said earlier that we're waiting on truce I send those words in that emanate from my my the fireball has hit this guy her she sure eating on truth. Did He. Say No we shot. No, we now know in part then we shall know one full I don't know the hose ruth we don't know the whole store. Okay. We always hardest. Part of the truth. We know we need to know now. They were called point where we need to more later. That's death. Sorry. such depth on buddy to said right there. He sounds so smart. I don't know if I can make sensitive. Have you thought about you really liked twenty twenty eight comeback too. how our trips to the river are those had been something that I am. Very. Much looked forward to. Why wasn't goods. Because, you feel like you're far away but you're not too far away and. Time to unplug a little bit which fil it to pretty job the doing were there. And just be around each other and our friends who'll motive for? Jamba. Jim By the when does Ryan not? What does he to plugged in while at home? Conga. She doesn't He has his moments where I'm like okay. down. But for the most part, especially like over the last year, he's done a lot better job. Of They'll come home like actresses more things to do for work, and then I'm done and then he'll close the computer visit away. And with the exception of picking up this phone every once in a while like the billy sprinting at Bell. Unplugging Wittstein. Take that knelt wonderful. Timia no burden brave you. Appreciate the players. Bring. I think what's been really good about that. Is. I think that. Back to what you said like everything is divided John and ill like that's always going to be there I think the best relationships that we have are ones where people. Are Willing, to hold us accountable and at the same time people be ourselves. On a wide esteem has been like so redundant when it was like I'm rubber you're glue. I said that on one of the reasons blogs really it was really good. It's a really good thing. Nobody said it was it's really good. We need to start being rubber more off. Yes. letting things bounce off the bus instead to the people that are being mean. And then the billy madison like it's cool to be. Like there's all these like childhood that's like d remember it was like to be of the player. Yes. I did what was. Ours why? His. Slaying. Agree. What was your? Favorite thing of no upper body strength. T REX now. I. Got More, lower body. Problems. Maybe three Eh. Well forget like a moment like what about your childhood? Do you remember that was like so great by the playground now, just general at what what was great about being a child had a great child what I agree parents. You didn't really have to care about that much. Right, right? Yeah. There was no responsibility yet to be free. There's very few financial burden than that point. So do we make those burdens? Do we create those burdens ourselves? Or our though somehow now, this is a part of the world. This is a part of survivals wired's because we take them out to be homeless chosen to own or or be responsible for people that need a home. I was GONNA say something. That was definitely giving followed. Why don't you just move to another state where half the country is half California's going and then it's cheaper because it's not cheaper because having California's going there for the price of those, those homes is far sitting with the actual residents of locals connect you for now don't you think that we'd be holding Idaho Idaho I hear you. A? Who said that the other day everybody said back in June or hey, we decided that we were listening a pastor preaches last weekend and he says. I haven't heard pastor preaching a long time. I. Know You haven't shall I name Your Church? Island Listener Virtual Church and quite okay. We were listening pastor preach last son he said all you guys need to quit quit leading California in going to Idaho indexes law is so funny because a song and light. I mean we're you know the more salt. Whatever more. Retrieve the more there is no, there is no. Friction. The more any more light that's all the more darkest present. There you gotTA. Wonder I know exactly what he was saying should not be leaving stay. Okay. So back to the point, don't you think you impose a lot of those financial burdens on yourself? Yeah. Of course I. said. I. I get the Woodford I got the Double Haute? DOUBLE COSCO OF. Still more than the other one matters us for the bottle of a little more expensive average. Problem like we what You're saying the problem is there's one problem. Is this impose the Brown most of the problems on ourself? Remember when we Never, on the verge of losing her house. So two thousand beginning of two thousand thirteen was on. It was really coming to realization that we were gonNA. We were going to have to leave. And remember what we said. One of the key things was was what? Were together didn't matter where we lived. Together as long as we were, we were in a cardboard box on side of the street at would not be awesome but as long as we live with each other that have. That was two thousand thirteen. Lose our house, in, November. Fast forward. Four years all four years, three years, eleven months. We. Experience a near life, losing. Moment, and what's the most subordinate? We're in line we're there were alive and work together. and isn't it crazy to think like when things are the most fragile and then when we think about what means the most to us? That's what we gravitate towards and yet the majority of our problems are not created by that thing created by other things that will negatively affect that thing. Yes. But they're opposed on ourselves like I think it's crazy how we create so many of the. Frustrations stress challenges the negativity. Yes. There's all kinds of things around us that are reading too. But I, think the majority of it is stuff that we impose ourselves then why? Because we want. What other people have we want what what we think is going to make us happy and yet when we get really when we get down to it, that's not what makes us happy. Is that wrong? No that that's more of the problem. I think is so we go to one or two extremes either we want all the stuff right i. want a nice house in Orange County on a drive nice. Cars wanted all vacations WANNA DO WHATEVER WANNA make six figures seven figures. So we want all those things and so then the swing in the other direction which we heard for years and years was I don't WanNa. Focus on any of that stuff. All I want is my family and I just wanted to be happy and I don't I don't WanNa be a slave rebound of those things but I think there's a balance in the middle I think the middle is valuing what's most important to us and at the same time in joying and striving for those other things without making those other things. Things that way us down a burden us when we don't. Think about that. I mean I agree I I, think it's Anything, it's a little bit. More obvious. Let's probably not the best word to save I'm just trying to figure out how to word it by Felix for us. We, know that. We can get through those things because we have opened US Christ like what what he has for us. We know that anything could ever obtained here on the Earth at all. and. So I feel like we don't hold onto those things or retry not hold onto those things as tightly as. Those who don't have that same poll. So I think that is where. I mean I would say it's like an advantage but I mean that's kind of a crappy way to say it. I just don't really know exactly how no word it but but I think if we didn't know Jesus when we did. And we were getting ready to our house housing. We did I think things would have turned out a lot different because we weren't in the right head space to have that hope. It was it would have been something more like you failed me. I built you. Let's just leave each other because it's not working out. I think that would have been like the easier road to take. But because of Jesus didn't US individually as a couple and family. We had a different type of hope to carry us through. But then why is it that? The automatic defaults when we get frustrated or stressed or anxious now. Because we're still human. We're still here. We're still like a part of the world here even though we're not. Hoopoe. For. So here we have the same pressure is in the same desires. So it's back to so we those shower totally. How about that John? Yeah. Well. No I think it's also that even if that is our default. To say when I'm feeling anxious, you know it's often very. second nature now to Sing God or Jesus. Why? Why this? Feeling? Why things? -iety. and. Into you know asking God fix it. Fix It right away. and you wall or it takes time. Yeah. is He will. It just takes time doesn't I? Don't I want the anxiety gone right now But. The more I am anxious. The more I am drunk closer to. The more I want to just let go and Mumin releasing it, which allows him to do work through that, and so the weakness of the experiencing Zaidi, all these things that allow us to you know, take our eye off him also. You know for some of US brings us back that much closer in Denver to him and so for me been. A Journey of. Going where I was in these logs for weeks, months of depression to now. You know hours days maybe maybe a week where there is a fog or there's something that's just drawing the off my goals, drawing the off and feeling an intimacy with God. But even then he's at work and I have faith that he is at work and so. And I think I've just sort of getting used to that being the mode his we can't be high live. Every single day. Every single moment at some point act at some point is fraudulent and that is where. The war, those of us who want are aware of that median vulnerable with God in bridge that for other people in our vulnerability with them. Yeah I. Mean I think that. What you guys say I think it's a hundred percent true I think we know there and I think that we do our best selene into that we know our vulnerabilities I think just a lot of the challenge goes back to I. Think we don't regularly admit that we are the ones that put ourselves into that circumstance and except that. It's like, yeah, that's what we do but I'm showing you frustrated. I'm still GONNA be pets because I don't have X. Wires Mike. That's the question. I. Guess I would ask you is is that not though? The reality of we're in a war. I think we put ourselves in situations, but I think also got allows us to be put in situations that require us to act or some bids. Because this, there is attack as attack or war the enemy wants to win I don't get it I. Don't get it. Don't have the. But It is what it is. God is Victor. In this slide, this is still our. Our battle. and. So I'll bring up a today. Circumstance with being assured a little bit of this with Michelle, when we got home right for we quarter this. So, Save all names for a anima. anonymity. Yet anonymity. An anonymous happiness if anonymous cya. Yeah. Whatever it is So of talking to this guy. And overall. And he shares. Shears this there's job imploded correct. balances out by the way earlier, my trumpet Biden. Think. It isn't here. We're GONNA, cut it no, no no, we don't know who you're voting for coming this election but make sure you get vote. I. Oh, man or go ahead. The saw. Love voting for Ya. I didn't vote for either trump or Hillary Clinton. Hillary Round Leslie she did. I think an email about that but maybe might. Valley hasn't. She ran away because she was like being prosecuted for something. or not because. Yeah Slack Cast Never GonNa. Make It. Be. Somehow deleted. Forever mcmullan. He was a third party candidate at the time a fine American. Yeah. He was a fight American he was he was the finest watch this time around I. Don't know yet now. I. Don't even. Sony talking to guy. He shares this. Devastating. Circumstance it he's in just. Really bad thing happened. He's feeling guilty as being partially responsible for it like just very evil act not that heated himself but had some initial kind of responsibility. and He's not necessarily but follower Jesus but Scott some kind direction there. I shared with him I said to him like. All of these things that happen to us that are bat like evil things that happen awful things that happened to us. We don't have to like accept them as good I, think that's a of the problem of Christianity is it's like God dissolving for good and so like they misinterpret that verse and so that it's like it's good I just chalk it up as good. It's like no really sucks. It's really bad like maybe I participated in some evil lack maybe I did something really bad. But I think what's really important is is there's a purpose in all of this bad stuff and it allows us in shapes us to become the personnel to that. And so it's actually helping us a said him which I said this to multiple people and this is a gnarly statement that I make an it's always really really hard but like I said. We watched. Our friend. Die? Right, in France and apart from giving up. My wife and my two kids. Literally apart from from that, I would do anything I could to take back the whole of it. I would give every dollar I've made sense and I would give any chance at success for the rest of my life. I would give up every material possession I would give up almost every other relationship that I have from them dying. Like. So much to get back. In. Yet. I am a better person today. Because of what happened. No question about. Like don't you think you are. On a different person, I mean. You can't be changed from experiencing something like that. What would it look like hold on? What do you think? What do you think about you is better because of what? The By the way, you all know, my wife obviously was their. Took around amunition eight of an insurer her head right. So like she was even more affected than I was in the small so more personal more direct. But. Anyway. So Specifically what do you think you are better for? As a result of what happened. I think I'm more grateful for the life that I have. More crippled as alerts. Jeremy I mean that's really what I think of is like. Now. Things that. May Be used to bother me or the things that I felt were for aren't as importantly see how God. Created. A Beautiful Day like supposed to be crappy weather. It's beautiful love like there's just certain things I look at these different than I think. In that way I see the beauty I see God's hand in everything. About relationships power the difference. I feel like I went to ways on that one. The bad way I the way I pulled away from of. Relationships that I felt. Did that minister to me in the way, I would have liked. That was now like. Being more interesting. Yeah. I really felt the Lord kind of convicting me of. Need to look at yourself. and See why these relationships are not wearing them to be. So I think that's new. That's definitely in for bucker cycled away from relationships. and. Then the other side, I saw the value in certain relationships that. Felt, strong and were. Really there Fernie especially after that. Our relationship is better yeah young. So Not Thankful for what happened. But thankful for what happened is the result of what happened. Slow I mean you probably wouldn't want me to say this but like you literally saved my life so. If you hadn't done that. Make it just it just. I I've always loved you a lot. But just the fact that people like till death, do us part like you literally like With, like you laid on top of the. So that's a whole. Different way that you know even at my eyes differently, you know like this is not just the services like Hugh legitimately. With. Meaning, goes I. was, thinking about the like. and. You said it I didn't I don't WanNa like us myself necessarily as an example but. I. I shared enough like. In one sense, there was like the split second of. What the Hell and then I did it right like I guess it was just as quick moment of like Campbell that this is going to happen but like I would have never been tested like that. Had happened. In. So even in that. Like. Our relationship is better. In its terrible when we think about, which goes all with act two we talked about you know like thinking I'm twenty twenty, I think so many people. And understandably so like we don't have to love when bad things happen the negative circumstances but I think the two ways that we always do it is we just loss over his like whatever it's just or going to pass in everything is good which that's not true and then the other side is people just live in the misery of the negativities what happened and I think in between this really good opportunity to say like that suck and literally I try as often as possible to never say hate I hate eight eight that moment of our life in yet. I'm a better person because. Twenty twenty. I'm a better person because of. What are you thinking John? Well, it's It's found. Yet. So simple idea because. You know. On the one hand, we all go through. Every, day were. Faced. Moments that were not even aware of the you know. Could have changed lives in an instant. You guys. Face, the reality of Zim. Did Change, your lives and your immunity. And then soon. And they would ours. The Nation is facing right now. As. Speaking as a white male. As You know. Restrictive on other people's pain and experience. there's there's there's there seems to be this moment of. Reckoning guess or just where all of our processes and structures and systems are being questioned all once and. Is The answer this guy or that guy this white guy or that guy? No. But they're making it a bow. In? What's the difference was the outcome GonNa. Be. Rebbe's not an attorney who is. Sleeping in the White House and shaking hands with people try to send atom bomb and the stair that day it's. It's the collective. Momentum or the collective agreement of people to. Be, more? Loving me more civil be. Or understanding and not with me talked about earlier it's it's it's not necessarily agree. But it's owning an uplifting. You know I phrase it will come back to them and. You did such a great job really and bringing it right by can't harness this brilliant. Oh Jeez me allow I mean come on, allow me to erase saying something so good. Let me get back to it then. Flees. The the thing is like. I may not agree with like police reform. But. It's evident that there needs to be changes in. How? Police are trained or how police are equipped to home or sell situations. and. So It's obvious. We all need to be reformed in Sung passing. Okay. So stop there who don't go. Take a drink bureau fashion one, hundred, zero. I'm already on. My. Second Boston's visit just whiskey. Now of Orange Peel didn't want appeal such a man I. Doubt That's why she loved me so much. Okay. Josh. adding. We are looking for. Change from. My extra services. Or an extra element were looking for change as it relates to. An election. So right whoever's got to pretend to lead this country I did not. Mistakenly say pretend to pretend to lead our states state the message California, which is like literally one of the worst that I've seen ever to see change as it relates to race or gender sexual orientation like you name it right were looking to see change in it's it's not that we can't seek to have change happen but I think that more often than not our desire to see change happen is a way to abdicate responsibility. It's a way to push responsibility off on somebody else. Yes because. In reality Utopia which doesn't exist if we would just all all the way back to my roadhouse quote and reference though Dalton. He said to be s but. If, you really think about if everyone could just be kind to each other. We would want. The mass majority project says, but we don't do that even now like when we talk about the fact that people are protesting in some for very good reasons like. He will just turn evil and it turns from like let's turn evil are law. Or evil comes out of them but like they choose you okay. They do some of them become they just week. We all choose. Okay. That's that moment to do something. So in in a desire in initial desire to seek change and reform, it's going to be helpful to the greater good of this country is world. It turns nasty because people can't be nice in a in a in in in an attempt to fight for what we want what we believe in we offer with other people. This is what we talk about all day in the office. One of my favorite lines from a movie Lawrence of Arabia News. A while my favorite alliance A. Or scenes is Jerry unforgiven. Oh. Yeah. Directed By and starring Clinton's swoop. And Gene Hackman. Olefin. Turned Ninety this year, which makes us feel really really ninety ninety is that Robert duvall germs ninety next year it's crazy anyways seemed from an forgiven is. Yes. Archie the content. Special C. regardless. The spoiler alert those. if you haven't seen a shame. Like, saying not seeing tombstone. That was that should have been right up there at the top. That's about what happened to me. Dot holiday allow me to continue. Sorry for interrupting you on my guest. Your guests were given this hot guests steward. Josh. Thank you that. Factors. Don't defend this guy you're. Remember. I jumped on. You probably will get worse. than cut out by now but I am one of your greatest friends you are. Introduced. None. Listen to hope I. Guessed Phillips. Really Cobos. Anyone so There's either way behind all of this. We're all talking just keep box I know you're not GonNa forget what you WanNa. SAY ESPN is behind this all shooting video and the poor guy can barely keep the cameras steady because he's laughing so much listening to often nonsense happening right now. You can add police. But no, we are still cabrera creative director than you of the world. Moments ago. Ryan has a series Mon with his wife whether recounting this horrible incident and she says through tears choking like you say my life and he says later I jumped on you like. You're listening to me. Let me throw this mode Miller. Much. I never got. To. I've never done that I've never done. Again do we only I'm allowed to say that was a good addition. Man. For. Michelle Miller up some time I. I've never been. Rose before you. Have Ryan's back. That was not the impression I guess. Under. anyways back to my story so Major Bar fight a clint eastwood takes everybody out. Gene Hackman is laying on the floor. He's been shot. Cam. Move. Cleanse walks shotgun. loaded. And Gene Hackman is. Just bewildered that he's in this moment, he's shot and he just to himself he says. I was building a house. You know I don't deserve this. Please would you know? Rollback the trigger whatever but the Hammer, the hammer. John got don't don't have John Defend gunfight hey I agree that. He says got says. He says. Hey. You ran has tell us no way that was. One. Of My best friends. I can that. Okay go ahead. He says I don't deserve this police. Eastwood says, deserves got nothing to do with. And then kills him. Explain more. So we all are in this week you know whether it's through social media or the election or whatever coverage is being provided to people with their cause or their concern the. Demanding these things. We don't deserve anything. We've been given life. What are we going to do with? we deserve no outcomes. Deserve. No consideration. On Your Perspective of God, his involvement you live. But what are we really getting get out of? His if you're chasing money, you're GONNA get money. If you're Jason Fame, you could maybe get fat now with you all the stuff. Supremely untalented people have. Take that no disrespect to anybody's podcast either. My calm down. Let let me speak. Please you invited me. Why that make him fashion you to stay at it's delicious. But now it's just this this mindset of. Deserving or validation, and it's just is as the become. It's that need is being the nickel plated by powers of. Whatever however disease state or all this stuff I mean you know easy Down no no. But now we will. HASHTAG UNITED GET MORE LISTENERS That could be true or it's mostly total. No role only I told me the other day you realize that there is a huge group of people that believes that there is a. Underneath Central Park where kids are being stored in the government is trying to break them out. We should Edison Sparta. No. That is not true. That is crazy talk. That is the same crazy talk of you believe that the flat. There's a certain things that just can't have is no longer Okay as you're saying all this the social dilemma so that so good you haven't watched it at the Mark Zuckerberg filming. But it is about Mark Zuckerberg. The guy's name is Tristan Tristan mattress interest and Davis, and he talks about. How social media. Has Been, built to curate all of our behavior to deliver back to us. That's not information which is really crazy wherever. Made but really more to cause us to then behave in Iowa people trusts. These Gargantuan things that they they think they're a them. That's why. Facebook went from what college students yeah to mainstream youth demember widely said that they grew the like button. Remember that. People feel it it was it was actually initially done as a way to make people. You'll get the whole cycle of basic those from college students to becoming. You know it was a it was a youth sensation something parents look down upon it. Now those same hyper my mom on their. Those same parents that look down upon it articles active users. Yeah Yeah Oh. Yeah. My Mom's on their all is on. The whole thing though is that. It's we we play into our own hands. I'M GONNA have my mom podcast. I'm making a point. You're you're triggering thoughts in my head that doesn't mean you need to share every single one Church at the true now you're. A good man what were your greatest takeaways from Social Dilemma Michelle I haven't seen why are we talking because she has and she said? Burrell's really good. What was your greatest I mean. It was kind of what I thought that we are being manipulated you on our house. Oh I drive a hammer. Rules in the house. Ear is get like Shit. Oh, that's not going to get. Real about Bell's good. Now wasn't one of the rules, but the rule is that W AP can play of that's for sure at. Your year, our Mike. No Okay. Garbage trash no parents will let us. No No. We we've heard of the horrible stuff about that. Okay. So my biggest or no, we're passing my takeaway. I drop. The Hammer. For All of us so that it's not just on the kids she angst yourself to excuse. This is true. That there is no more cell phone or tablet or computer usage after seven PM. So I'm across the main thing I did save you get a text message can respond I'm not saying that you have to leave people. Asking questions avoid for us. She's got a boyfriend and. Raise like our you. What you do They don't taxed. That's instagram. The EM insecurity not explain that they communicate. What were they send pictures to each other while leave looks on their faces to. Ours inappropriate like. Level like. Why did you send a picture yourself like with a awful face like she'll blink double Chin Anna Smile. So nine appropriate it's not like A. Widely. Why would have been enough picture of yourself your boyfriend yeah. But because you guys were in a different generational thank God who has social media or text messaging. So, what have you? 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Part One: How The John Birch Society Invented The Modern Far Right

Behind the Bastards

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Part One: How The John Birch Society Invented The Modern Far Right

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I love podcasts. I don't shit still be nerd is that are. We allowed to open a show that way. Well we did it. I let you do it. I didn't know god it. This is terrible. Every august with robert evans so sorry host now. I have backing band. Well as everyone can can here now by by listening to the tremendous failure at that has just occurred in. Everyone's ear balls This is behind the bastards. A podcast about bad people namely me And my guest. Today are dan in georgia. Hey that's us So if i if. I just said dan or just said jordan. I would have to be more specific. But when i say dan in jordan. I think everyone knows that. It's it's the knowledge fight guys. Identity has become into your podcast so enjoy that it was inevitable is going to happen. I think a lot of have taken to calling us georgiana. Yes you're dan capital j. capital d. sort of combined noun better. Who could yeah. Can you dander because dan or something like that but george. Dan is like. I feel like it's really giving like cloud to one name but you're stressing that d- pretty hard right in the middle. And i can appreciate that i. I think i think it's great. We're really getting into the weeds of this sensor solving at once and for all you know that's what people come here for. You know the nation. I'll let you have it all right jordan. Are you ready to hear about some shit. You bet oh. Yeah robert mr podcast. So you know what sucks. Many many many things. I i would say broadly speaking the the right wing in america the republican party The the the looming fascist threat that that has been slightly we'd whacked back but is still threatening to encroach And choke all of us to death forever. Yeah as a fan of a little bit like a dragon's monster when you put it like that. It is basically a dragons monster. So episode is about e gary guy gags. This episode is about so. Gary guy gags invented dungeons and dragons. This episode is about the man who invented the modern republican party by which i mean the party of donald trump. By which i mean. You know the fascists and his name was robert welsh don. I didn't know you guys. I don't know who robert welches. I'm gonna. I'm gonna feign for about three quarters. You definitely know okay. Did you know about the whole point of me to not know about robert. Well you know by a different name. No yeah yeah you. Jordan know him as the founder of the john birch society. Oh i do know him. You can be mad at all. I do is the candy shit. Oh yeah he's odd big big indicator. That's so if you haven't heard of the john birch society they're loosely speaking. Why we got president ronald reagan president donald trump And the whole ecosystem of right wing. Griffey's who make money off of convincing their fans that everybody on the left is part of a marxist conspiracy like the idea that joe biden is a is a communist agent which are our good friend of the pod. Alex jones Brings up repeatedly is a descendant of a john birch society talking point or at least a family of those talking points. That's that's the guy we're talking about today. Bob welsh founder. The john birch society dude. Yeah i don't. I don't i don't i i off my initial sign. That he's not a good guy. Is your talking about him. Yeah oh that's that's a red flag right off the bat and then bob welsh. That's just a that's just a right wing name bob. That's just what it is. Yeah yeah bob. Welches is is You guessed that he founded some sort of societies. That did something terrible so robert. H w welsh junior which by god the more thorough. You are with the name the worse it sounds with one on a farm Why all these jerks have the initials h w two. Yeah he does he does. He's got a real george bush. Five going on. Yeah what the hell. Well that's how the word white starts right there. World white figure robert white well beyond your scans completely. You might be right by us. That's so whitey was born on a farm in showing county north carolina on december first eighteen. Ninety nine he was a brilliant child. Some might even say a genius. He could read by age three and he knew his multiplication tables by age four by age seven he was studying latin and at age twelve. He enrolled in the university of north carolina. He graduated at age sixteen And yeah everything that happens in. The story should be taken. As evidence for white child prodigies should be dosed with paint chips. I think that's yeah. I always feel like when. I hear something like that. You're someone new multiple tables at four like who prove it. Yeah hey i would say prove it in if you can prove that a kid is that smart you gotta slow him down. Somehow i would to be able to quiz for your old. I see how deep your knowledge of the table is. I think if you're a four year old with perfect knowledge of the multiplication tables. Take him out of school for two years. Don't let them read books. Make them work on a farm hunt. Kurt vonnegut short story at us would just have to look. It was right. The problem is that people are too smart. These fast given braces. Take them down a notch. Yes slowing me down. Somehow you know put blinders on the kid feed lead whatever it takes and then in the universe is true if you're not good at something give them steroids shit. Give them all the drugs to make them smarter. Everyone who can't do the multiplication tables by age for mandatory steroids. Everyone can illiterate farm in the mid west society. The health reported steroids children. Okay so yeah bobby. Welsh child prodigy entered the naval academy at annapolis in nineteen seventeen year when nothing else of particular interest occurred. He resigned after just two years when he decided that a military career was not for him instead. He wanted to be a lawyer so he enrolled in harvard law school. But this didn't wind up working out much better for him. Robert clashed regularly with professors particularly the hilariously named felix frankfurter. Who would grow up. A real guy is a real guy's name. He went on to become a supreme court. Justice course a lot of people have to overcome something in order to do something great. And i think being born with felix. Exactly what you're talking about exactly. He had his handicap and it made yeah court justice your on tall. Because that's the hardest. If you wanna be the hardest it can be too for other people to laugh at you. Become a supreme court justice. Because then everybody's got be scared one way or the other terrify half the population if it pleases the hotdog who got. Oh god. i'm so sorry. Put take away my long coney in In the case of heinz versus the united states. He's going to have to recuse himself. I was so yes he cannot he could not want anything to do with the john. Kerry campaign frankfurter was a liberal supreme court justice which might explain. Why robert welsh so much welches biography which is quite a text says that the young robert welsh hated felix frankfurter because quote. The young man from north carolina. Recognized hogwash when he heard it and hogwash spelled in all caps and also spelled out with a dash in between each word. that's it's a fascinating That's a canterbury tales of bullshit. Right there yeah. Magnificent did someone who is with the john birch society right this biography. Oh yes absolutely yeah. They're sort of editorial style. Probably by bob welsh in nineteen twenty. Two welsh left harvard just a year before he would have graduated. He decided that he'd learned enough. And it was time to make a shitload of money and this wonder can had a specific plan for how he was going to get rich. The motherfucking candy business. Hell yeah hell. Yeah am candies. Where the money is man. You know that's the thing about candy. You get older. It stays at peeling the people of the same age. I don't know why tried to tried to tried two times that one. So bob's brilliant idea. Was something called the papa sucker the papa sucker the speaking of fast times jokes because it is what it sounds like. What would happen when you dad gets a blowjob but it was actually a caramel lollipop designed to not melt in the summer heat. That's what would happen if your dad got a blowjob straight and like your dad's penis it was filled with dangerous chemicals which is why it didn't melt in the summer heat. That's good stuff not a good to keep. You have take the rough with the smooth as they say. Dangerous chemicals it's not melting. Especially when it comes to your dad's genitals sure you take the rough with. This comes to fortunate fortunate. This is really gone on the rails. But they're not great rails. So despite the novelty of bob. Welches papa sucker. His first business named the oxford candy company did not go. Well the cause seems to have again been the fact that bob welsh did not play well with others. He had an increasing series of tents disagreements with his board of directors in nineteen twenty nine. They had a fight over what he described as their desire to reduce the quality of their products to improve. prophets welsh. Quit and again walked away. So we're getting a bit of a theme like everything. I wanna do is torture children for morality tales. He he just keeps getting into disagreements with people be they. His professors are his business partners. And then piecing the fuck out. That's that's early life. Bob welsh not an easy guy to get along with. So he's also not an easy guy to dissuade from his sacred task of selling candy. He set up another candy company. This one in berlin and money was tied Because he had a couple of kids by this point so he took a second job as a salesman for. Ej bracken sons which was one of the largest candy companies in the world. They're the people who make candy corn among other bracco. So they're it'll to. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah and their history's greatest. Monsters got corn pumpkin. They make candy pumpkin candy corn substances in a bunch of different shape. Oh yeah you mean. The little pumpkins that are made out of candy corn. Yes i do like the very specific term substance ever. It's made of which you don't know and it's just a substance so me and try to convince me that like candy. Pumpkins are better candy. Corn sucks candy. Pumpkins are good. No it's just more is saying it's a larger piece at the same terrible candidates. Just a ball you know. It is great i have this. There's this so. The person i lived with for a while is a is a chinese national in. She introduced me to this wonderful restaurant in portland. That's a chinese street food restaurant and have this dish that i'd never had before. That's just corn and fried batter and green onions cilantro. And it's fucking awesome. It's so good. Like i don't know how it's It's good incredible. But you know what. Bob welsh would really hate the idea of you living with japanese nationals. He would hate everything. As soon as i said chinese he would have started screaming. Ever the this head no. I convinced him. My friend was descended. From chiang kai shek he'd probably have been all right with that he was a big chang- head that way around. Yeah that'd be nation. Now dan leaving. Why are you running. I feel like you had that one in your head for years and then you horned it into a joke about changcai check because no if only. I'm tortured by new versions of that. Same shitty joke all day. Jordan's made the joke. Fifteen times on podcast. I've just edited out every time. Yeah you're wise to do so. This second candy company didn't work very well because it was the great depression and people didn't have disposable income for candy probably was a bad time to start a candy. Business nineteen twenty nine And his his new company fell. Apart in nineteen thirty-three fortunately bracks was still making money and he was doing well enough as a salesman that they took him on his full time employees which kept him afloat for the next year or so in one thousand nine hundred eighty four. He started his third candy company. The mid west candy company of attica indiana and unfortunately. His candy was as bad as his company's name and welches. Third enterprise failed. So he still papa suckers no he he had to give the leave the papa sucker behind when he had a fight with his business partner. So all the pompous the worst loss. That's the worst loss right there. He's not getting a dime for many of the poppas. That are getting sucked. These which is a real shame so yeah. Three failed candy companies and in nineteen thirty five. Bob welsh files for bankruptcy. Which is you know. Pretty on brand for him. It's the financial equivalent of like running away when you get into an argument. So so far everything. Scans he returns to boston. And he gets a job working for his younger brother who was also in the candy business and a lot more successful than his older brother. The o welch company was a success. And this is what finally brought. Robert welsh the wealthy desired. He was made. Vp in charge of sales and advertising and as the company grew this roberts spent years travelling across the country to offices in atlanta pittsburgh's houston los angeles and seattle. Now a wealthy man. He began racking up positions on government. Boards the boston chamber of commerce. The cambridge chamber of commerce and eventually a role is a national councillor for the us chamber of commerce is. Oh anything that is you into a right wing lunatic more than getting rich off of somebody else's work yeah especially breath sports yeah right regular right wing thing how. They all get to where they are. Go ahead sorry will just. He takes a lot of credit for the company's success but judging by the fact that he had three failed candy companies in only succeeded when he latched onto his brothers. I'm gonna guess. James was the talented the might be the case. Yeah yeah d- if i recall correctly. Didn't they make some like pretty like memorable candies. Yeah no the james o welch companies made some some of the group. All time great candies. They all sound weird. I think is yeah and they had some sort of weird sugary rope thing. i don't know they. They made a bunch of candy cows. Yeah it's not like it's not like the god fearing modern candy that we have today. It was all strange and terrifying and involve owns little nibbles those little. Cnn even sell kids something with horror in the name. Now it's just the social justice warriors. Yeah cancel coaches runamuck. And now we have our hor- hound candy wife. Can't i buy a fuck stick today. Why can't shop. I want to buy a fuck. Fuck stick papa sucker. Come on just like all. Its sugar. mamas sugar model. Jesus way to be a misogynist day. I think but isn't like sugar daddy in sugar baby. Sugared they have junior mints sugar daddy. Sugar babies sugar mamas welch's fudge just free pay and pompoms. I understand the of incest porn on the internet. I think it all comes from all the papa suckers. The sugar model starts there. See all mating making sense. Now and the palm yet and say that jordan. It makes the welsh company a motto suck on a mama. Make a lot more sense. Yeah that does sound right at that. All is starting to scan now so like all men who get rich through a mixture of blind luck and family ties. Robert welsh decided to write a book. The road to salesmanship was about exactly the book guests that it was. I found a copy of it on amazon today. For three hundred ninety nine and the product description text is wonderful. I'm just gonna read you. The amazon description text which is a little bit off the beaten path. But it's quite funny. The road to salesmanship brackets pamphlet. Robert welsh robert not capitalized well-capitalized nineteen forty one rare out of print collector's item limited availability. The road to salesmanship pamphlet and brackets by robert welsh. This time capitalized. Nine hundred forty one. This is a document and then nuisance that was written by the founder of the john birch society but written decades before he founded the john birch society. They start calling it. The john birch society. This is not about the john birch society or any protests. Drifts this is unique. Look at the early thoughts. Robert welsh log before he found the john birch society. I enjoyed that. So i looked through the book a bit. I found it online. There's also a free copy. Don't don't pay him on for this fucking book so i don't read it. Also it's not worth reading But i skimmed a couple of chapters just to see if there's anything entertaining about it because i was hoping that like it was filled with. I don't know a bunch of crypto fascist nonsense and. It's too boring for that. Seemed to have been mostly folksy anecdotes about his sales experience in inoffensive advice on how to sell stuff. He does start the he does. I enjoyed that. He starts the book by noting that unlike like loser. Jobs like bricklaying and lumber jacking being a salesman as a true profession like being a doctor. Civically throw shit on bricklayers lumberjacks. Any idiot can do those jobs selling shit. that's hard. Do occupy the same rarified territory as doctors nowadays you think about a used car salesman. You're like that guy is a surgeon. The same level of quality just the used body salesman when the corona virus. I hit our first responders. Were the doctors the nurses and the candy salesman. Yeah i really do think the candy sells itself. Yeah i don't do. It doesn't take much. I'm not impressed by candy salesman. I mean as long as a disaster daily. Or as long as it's not called the papa sucker. Yeah all right you're going to be right. Eminem have never needed an ad campaign. Yeah that's absolutely have long one every christmas. They've actually been great ad. Campaigns need them they would have sold their chocolate with without. Yeah meanwhile. I think the only job that robert welsh did was the papa sucker. Suck on your papa. Yeah and i didn't expect us to go down anyway. you should. He aim for this episode. Apparently he ends the book on a series of final don'ts for salesman which include in these are the actual text of all. These is more boring than you'd expect. But don't sir funny a knife can have two edges. Everybody knows that trump is hollow offices to do business in remember. The future and professors belong in classrooms. Wait those are the don'ts those are the dotes. So don't professor. Don't be unless unless you're in a classroom. Don't ask people about candy when you're trying to sell two good point don't be professor. Oh i get you now especially. Don't be a liberal candy prefers. Oh you can't do that. They'll remind like to imagine that the knife has two edges thing is a reference to the mini knife-fights that candy salesman got into in the nineteen forties wouldn't surprise me Brutal business is dangerous work. You saw what happened to the augusta's glue kid. Yeah and that that robin williams movie the candyman. So the impression that i got from my limited reading of this book is that young. Bob welch was something of a pompous. No at all But i got no hint that he was unhinged her unreasonable. Like it's not. There's nothing like like there's no hints as to what he became in the book. He just seems like you kind of a dick which is one hint but not not much of one compared to what happens next so during world war two served on the war production board. If it seems odd to you that a candyman would be appointed to help manage national military production during a global battle for the survival of democracy. Yes yes it does but that is what happened bullets. But eminem's yeah bullets. Another kind of papa sucker along. She is giving people jobs. They're not qualified for in this country. It's it's greatest strength. So as a result of his work in the war production board well-spent more and more time in washington c during the forty's he also became chairman of the national confectioners association's washington committee in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven. He received the candy. Industry's highest honor. The kettle award from candy industry magazine. He's really he's arrived. You can't top the kettle award if you're a candy. Four four for. What did he receive this award for getting all those kids to suck on. Their papas i. I mean i go of high sales. Was he a good candy creator. Was he just around license in world war two. Why did he get this. War is honestly. I think and this is. This isn't written anywhere but reading between the lines from everything. I read about his his earlier life. I think his real talent was that he was very good at getting other rich businessmen to like him. And i like that's why you'll notice the thing that he really does best. He wasn't a particularly good business owner or candy salesman but he was great at being on the board of big in candy industry companies. 'cause rich is liked him. It's like i think that was his talent. It's a long way in america. Analog is like people who get a lot of stuff through networking like maybe not their intrinsic skill. Get more gigs or shows and stuff because of the ability to schmooze and stephan and rubber. Welsh's from everything. I could tell it. Seems like he was pretty pretty good at that. And that's you get a kettle. Yeah yeah that's how you get a cattle cattle. Nobody's trying to take the man's kettle award shirt. Lean he he. He fucking brought us closer to fascism than any other living or any other american who's ever lived but he won that battle. He earned the cattle. I do you know the weekend is freaking out. Because he didn't get the kettle that tom hanks one kettle two years in a row. Both of them for forrest gump. Right like a box of chocolates right. That was the best thing that ever happened to the candidates. Okay here right. Throughout the year award two years in two zero very impressive remind where he eats reese's cups in philadelphia. I don't know if that's tom. Hanks is actually the only man to get the gut k. Okay so welsh. Israel gift seems to have been in organizing people in businesses. He had a genius for managing teams and forgetting again. Rich people to like him in one thousand nine fifty. He was appointed to the board of directors for the national association of manufacturers. He held this job for while and threw. It was in regular contact with wealthy and powerful people in a bunch of different industries. And it's at this point that i'm going to start quoting from the world of the john birch society by dj malloy which is a real fun book about a bunch of terrible shit welsh. I became involved in politics in nineteen forty-six when he volunteered to work on. Republican robert bradford successful campaign to become governor of massachusetts. He was appointed vice chairman of the state's republican finance committee two years later in nineteen forty nine a major step further however when he announced his intention to become the next lieutenant governor of the state like many other conservatives and businessmen of the time reducing government interference in the economy and turning back the creeping collectivism of franklin d roosevelt. News were among welsh. Principal concerns as he made clear in an interview with courtney sheldon of the christian science monitor on the eve of the our first and most important job explained is to keep us from going any further than we have already gone in the extension of government ownership of business operation of business interference with business control of business and control of the details of our daily living. He was also very strongly opposed. He said to socialized medicine at the national or state level to federal aid to education in any shape manner or form into federal housing plans so nineteen forties bob. Welch's like not only fuck the new deal fuck. The concept of state paid healthcare. Fuck the concept of federal aid to education and fuck federal housing really how to grow how to grow the candy business. You make dental care. Free for everyone. Candy goes out of the roof man and all. It is a long term business strategy. That's actually a good plan. I it is. It is info those poor give. You don't have to pay you. Get a second kettle for that. You give your families their rent for free. They're going to buy a lot more candy for those kids. It's true true education being a real barrier to the candy industry. Though you want people as dumb as hell if you wanna meet and enough candy. That's true any kind of nutritional information in schools is going to be a hindrance so from the late nineteen forties clear. That guy that bob welch was going to turn into in a speech in may nineteen forty-nine. He argued that it was no secret that there was a war going on in the united states. Between collectivism and individualism he described this war as occurring on many fronts in the field of commerce and industry. The battle is between free. Enterprise and state socialism. He said in politics between the peoples ownership of the government and the government's ownership of the people in sociology. It is between self reliance and dependence on a welfare state in international relations between a brutally aggressive tyranny in the remains of an independent civilization. So that's i wish. I wish rich people would just be like. Oh i want more money. Like i would at least be able to engage with that but that's a whole long list of fake bullshit. Leave me alone. Just say you want more money. And what's what's impressive about. It is that it's the exact same rhetoric that you hear out of the mainstream republican party today. So like like welsh really Like the thing that he predicted more than anything like the way to kind of frame. This battle But yeah the that. It's a fight between in the in this period there like the late nineteen forties and fifties. When like the government has just finished a long stint of cracking down brutally on left wing organizing defining. Like this is a battle between free. Enterprise and state socialism. Like that was the thing he was doing was was not just attacking socialism which americans had done for a while but defining like the mainstream democratic party as socialists and refusing to deviate from that line like that was really kind of one of welsh's big innovations brand enemies as opposed to yourself and also the idea that no. We're not this is not you know. Politics is not some sort of grand debate between two sides with different opinions on how things might work trying to figure out the way to make better society. It is a it is a fight between tyranny In any hope of survival and like the other side is nothing but pure tyranny stuff. Yeah head of the federal elections commission said. Yeah fucking described the battle between liberals and conservatives in the united states as a war that would determine whether we are going to leave our children our grandchildren a world. At least as good as the one we have inherited or one that has already plunged into the incipient shambles of new dark ages. So he was right in the inverse. I suppose yeah. I mean he did. Help bring us into a new dark ages. So good on you. Bob you know who else is gonna bring us into a new dark age. Cbs yeah i mean they're going to try But they're going to do it with the help of the products and services that support this podcast. I made no sense that our products and services are gonna plunge the world into a new dark age. Not they're going to help. Cbs do it. I think they might masked singer on. Cbs is who is the mass killings in point do they have the same masked singer every time absolutely. Not the whole point is guessing. Who's behind the mask okay. I've never seen it them. Celebrities in costumes and they sing and then a panel of judges gas behind mask all right. Well that's worse than bill gates and rashida jones's sarah palin was on it. Of course she was never mind. 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I think i could do a pretty good job until they brought up clips from that show. I couldn't defend us from like war crimes charges and stuff but not not that. Here's this guy who is on the radio giving medical advice to teens for twenty years He's dressed like a hippopotamus singing song. Poorly yeah you know. What a great. Oh what are what. are you gonna use a virus. Big lasers like just just just do it. Just be quick about it. If the first questions aliens ask is was. Sean spicer a good dancer. We're going to be in real trouble there. But you know who wasn't on the masked singer. Sean spicer robert bob welch's although he would've hated that show evidence of a communist conspiracy brought out so bob welch's appetite had been you know pretty sufficiently stirred by the nineteen fifties and again he had kind of climbed as high as the candy industry would get him so like what you see. In the late forties is he reaches the the heights that candyman can hit and he immediately starts screaming about how communists are going to have infiltrated. The democratic party are going to destroy democracy Isn't that lease a normal career. Check is yeah. The problem is that eminem mars was run guy marxist collectivists because he didn't have a wonka vader you know he could only go. I'm gonna make so many more fucking willie wonka reference. I predict you will. Oh it's not that. I do not have trouble. Seeing bob. welch is a lot like willy. Wonka on us. Because i think they both believe business owners should be able to kill children young. I agree then slave people. Yes he is. So bob welsh you know in the nineteen fifties starts getting way more into politics now. It's unclear precisely when his terror left began again. When you read this guy's background the stuff that wasn't just written. By the john birch society decades later it kind of comes out of left field like he's just a candyman and then boom. He's screaming about the new dark ages But however it started. It was in full form by july of nineteen fifty when he wrote this in a fundraising letter for a politician quote. The strategy of the socialist. Divide and conquer carlo businessman crooks so that nobody will speak up for them and strangle them with controls and taxation bribe all the farmers with their own money into a selfish pressure group for more. Bribes infiltrate the labor unions and convert them into political tools. Discredit the medical profession until the rest of the public clamours for government medicine attack every segment of our population with tactics with which alienate the support of all other segments the forces on the socialist side amount to a vast conspiracy to change our political and economic system. Your face changed. You went deep into that channel. Bob dark there's a lot i love their including the that socialists were going to discredit the medical profession. In order to convince people to demand government medicine was like no vice buddy with discredited. The medical profession was people going to the er and getting a forty thousand dollar bill for a three hour visit. That'll do it. Yeah there are two ways to go on on that thought process goes so this was the first time bob welsh use the word conspiracy in public statement and it would not be the last tragically. Welches increasingly unhinged rants about socialism did not translate into success at the ballot box. Probably because a lot of americans in nineteen fifty directly in recently benefited from massive social welfare projects. You actually feel the effects of government working for you and you're like oh maybe this isn't an evil thing you know and then yeah but millions of us didn't starve because of the civilian conservation roger bad conspiracy to be honest is the conspiracy that we didn't starve to death during the depression. Because i liked that. Yeah that was a good one. Yeah so yeah. He lost the race for lieutenant governor by margin of more than one hundred thousand votes which nineteen fifty was like most of the country with inflation ten million votes. Yeah so it was not a close election still. It is worth noting that nearly sixty thousand americans had cast their votes for. Bob welsh and his giant left wing conspiracy after his defeat. He wrote about his hopes that this core of supporters would in the next year's grow into quote a far stronger more militant and more effective force of political strength and other campaigns to come. He insisted this crusade has just started. Because it's always a good thing when right wing ideologues describe what they're doing is a crusade that that always really gets a white men all hot and bothered whenever you give them the opportunity to go on a crusade against Anybody who's not a white man so my motto jordan. Abc baby always be crusade. And that's what you gotta do singer. Yeah okay so. Welsh tried his hand at politics again two years later when he attempted to be elected as a delegate for senator robert taft run for president. Y'all remember when. Bob taft ran for president obviously news. Great real william howard. You are thinking about the first half. Although i assumed they were both would have had problems with the white house bathtubs. No this was. This was taft. The sequel or the attempted sequel to taft and like most serious. It's not as good as the original two teapot dome. Okay so. Taft was actually running to the right of dwight. D eisenhower Who was also running for president of that time and at that point for understandable reasons dwight eisenhower was probably one of the most beloved men on the entire planet highway thing enjoy the highways yet but he had helped beat the nazis. He was for me lately. That's what i'm asking okay. He was even eisenhower. This was even actually pretty popular with a lot of soviets including marshall zubkov the most prominent commander of soviet forces during world war two It's actually is actually kind of a fun story. That marshall's oop. Who again is like the the the the bane soviet general who beat the nazis like he is an hour. Where like real good buddies. Eisenhower gave him a tackle box. It with a bunch of hand carved fishing lures and zubkov kept it with him and told the day he died. It was right next to him when he died really. It's very cute. Yeah isn't that adorable. I mean admittedly. Both guys are responsible for the deaths of millions. So there is. Yeah there it also the nazis spare and other people also be funny if zuccaro didn't Fish he just really loved them lures. That's very thoughtful so anyway. The fact that eisenhower was despite being a pretty hardcore cold warrior himself capable of seeing communist human beings. Enraged bob welsh and bob welch was further enraged by the fact that eisenhower supported taxing people to spend money on things that would benefit the public. Good like highways. That bob welsh was marxism roads. You gotta think all all all rich people are basically like a doc brown like we don't need roads. Yeah exactly where we're going with. Just all just dirge ables and everyone else's about farmer. Let's the glorious stream of bob. Well do you like any alternate universe. Where dirigibles factor heavily in though. Yeah i love it why i can't. I can't imagine. Bob welsh getting his way and they're not being thousands of dirigibles and giant mechanical spiders. Oh yeah oh yeah you're going to have. Yeah so obviously. I won that election. He's kinda hard to beat again if you really want to win. Election beat the nazis it. That'll do away by clayton defeats. The nazis vote for him. A second time. I if biden head if biden head sacked hitler's berlin. Yeah i would he would. He would have had a more commanding leat. Hitler's berlin in south carolina. Now is that where it's at or didn't ask for a so. The final delegate count in that in that convention between eisenhower and taft was a blow out eight hundred and forty five to two hundred eighty so again the final one not particularly close but the i count of delegates had been much narrower with five hundred ninety five eisenhower and five hundred for taft. It was a contentious in ugly contest between the two men Eisenhower's people accused tafs. People have stealing delegates. There were a number of different votes before they got to the final counting. There were ugly floor fights and while i did prevail clearly in the end. A lot of taft supporters. Were left view in that they'd been cheated kinda stopped. The steel thing and bob welsh was the main architect of was roger stone like a baby. Yeah i mean. I think he was a baby at the time goo gaga first. Was rat fuck ya. You can kind of you. Honestly the best like the best way to describe it might be it. Seems sort of like what happened with bernie sanders in two thousand sixteen at least in terms of how his his supporters felt. You had the candidate who had a strong base of fanatical supporters who were like the party leadership has fucked us out of of winning. And that's probably the case. It does seem like the republican party. Leadership like tipped the scale for eisenhower at the same time. Hard to imagine. Taft doing better than eisenhower. A at the time. Robert welsh who was infuriated called it the dirtiest deal in american political history new one. Yeah famous deal that he was not long ago. now then made him angrier than taft. Getting screwed papa sucker for you the bernie sanders of not wanting people to have healthcare. So eisenhower went onto electorally pants. His democratic challenger in one of the most overwhelming landslides in. Us political history Is in howard vice president. Richard nixon would go to do absolutely nothing of note But that is that was. Xp most americans were fine with more or less everything that went on in really the whole fight over taft. Being you know cheated out of the nomination didn't Did not become a major national story. The early nineteen fifties were time of broad political consensus among the nation's white supermajority So again people were pretty happy. The eisenhower years are generally referred to by again white folks as like a golden era in america Because most we eat right guy. This is pretty great. I love to buy terrible houses in the suburbs. like me. you look like me. You look like this place is great. I just love this club. I just bought a house for eleven dollars. And i got a negative four percent low paying. They have this out by. I accidentally fell landed on a fucking. What's the what's the thing that people don't get any more that they used to get pension. I forgot what pensions were is. They don't exist anymore. Unless you're a cop so yeah again. Most americans at least most of the americans who again were white in the kind of people who got asked about things at that time. We're pretty happy with. Eisenhower's victory. But not bob welsh taft. Defeat was something of a black pill for him convincing him. That party politics was hopeless in that party. Politics could never save the united states from the looming specter of communism nineteen fifty. Two was also the year that welsh published his first political book. May god forgive us which is solid title. Give it to the mayor of you know. That's that's centers. In the hands of anger. God was already taken at that point. I believe so. He couldn't use that won. His first book is basically. The title is like it's too late. Your shit sophie remind remember may remind me the pitch to i. Don't penguin or somebody we'll figure out what it's about later on the art of red fucking salesmanship. Both zen and the art of rats a guide for hard buddhist political operators that book. That actually sounds great. That yeah so. What is the one hand. So may god forgive. Us was a full throated condemnation of us foreign policy in asia which welsh saw as the government basically handing an entire continent over to the commies he it on the quote almost unbelievable combination of trickery chicanery and treason of the harry truman administration. Truman as far as welsh was concerned was basically a communist. Now the fact that harry. Truman had literally dropped two atom bombs in order to scare the soviet union. Didn't seem to change welches political calculus that communist far left for me man see through. It can't through the bullshit. It was actually the deep state. Who launched those nuclear bombs so truman was Don't do a hardcore trotskyist. Yeah it's true. Peter struck actually dropped nukes. If i recall correctly so bobby was most distraught by what he saw. As the abandonment of nationalist warlord changcai checked communist warlord mao. Tse tung That's that's where we get our cha ching shanghai shack reference always loved to have have some good i. I like to throw in some red meat for the chain gang. You know universal basic income The whole thing. Yeah mazar ninety. Six's that fire forty five. Acp slugs off good chinese warlord stuff so it was during the research for this book. That welsh i came across a name that would come to define the rest of his. Life's work john birch who the actual john birch was. I do high does. And i'm i'm so good at remembering exactly or the original percents forgotten. Yeah i do one thing about him which you will almost certainly say here very shortly. I actually don't think i think he's bluffing. Jordan offing. i will tell you. I will tell you this. What's the one thing you know that. I remember specifically from you is a to his friend. John birch would have hated the john birch. Yes yeah seem fair although there's debate about that but that is one account that you can find for sure okay. We'll talk about his life and you can tell me. Hey you think after that skimmed about john skim does even general yeah. There's one thing that you overheard sheinberg happened to remember. Recall your bit of information and now you understand my knowledge base. Yes so the actual. John birch was born in india in nineteen eighteen parents were christian missionaries on a three year mission trip that ended in frustration and disappointment presumably because most of the people they met were fine with the gods they already had atlantic writer. Thomas mallon notes that quote. Evangelical zeal conflicted with the more material. Progress being pursued by the missionary. Sam higginbotham their boss. At the la de cultural institute in other words john virtuous parents wanted to be like you know super jesus see with people in their boss was more about improving people's material needs and hoping that inspired them to christ so they got tired of that we give you food and the other guys like what if we told them they were going to hell. That would work to right to food was contingent accepting christ so the guy who cared about helping people stayed in india helping people and the birch family moved back to georgia So that's where. John was born in india group in georgia and it would be fair to describe him as growing up. A religious fundamentalist was not just a religious man but by the standards of the time a fundamentalist gotcha. He went to mercer university and was described by biographer. Later in life as obstinate passionate and headstrong. I'm going to quote from the atlantic. here he. Those professor felix frankfurter the most notable stateside episode of his brief life involved participating in thirteen member student group against five professors whose theological views they deemed heretical. The accusing students were decided minority on the baptist. Campus and charges against the faculty were dismissed. After a ten hour hearing birch went onto graduate at the top of his class but found himself shunned by a portion of its members. He began to feel that he had been used provoked into the fight. By some of megan's townie baptist ministers so again. He's very hard core religious and is like willing to accuse a bunch of professors of heresy but then after the whole situation shakes out he starts to feel as if he's been manipulated by like ministers in the area and he kind of like he kind of has an awakening and after this point most degree became less extreme. Religious seems to have realized he was being manipulated. Feel like sixty percent of that debate was entirely about whether or not jews where people like. Yeah thing right. There was a j. Q that so yeah. John was smart enough to realize he'd been manipulated. Knee left that school. He went to a bible institute. Next run by a popular. Evangelical radio preacher. Who suggested that. Bert should travel to china and john arrived there. In september of nineteen forty in the middle of long and almost impossibly bloody war between china and japan and a civil war in china. It was a rough fucking place to be nine hundred forty not an easy time to be anywhere really in china so john actually traveled closer to the danger And moved almost two hundred miles from where he had initially moved in china to the city of shang grou- which was very close to the frontline now while he was a foreigner in china to sell people on christianity. It does seem like he legitimately fell in love with the culture. He learned to speak fluent mandarin and just a year which is not something legit. Yeah very gifted with languages and yeah. That's probably not the kind of thing you do if you didn't have some appreciation for the culture The atlantic notes that this exceeded just to tell them they're dirty commies. Tell them they're coming off. It's also noted by his biographer that he recognized his own racial prejudice which was obviously product growing up white and georgia and it was struggling to overcome it in the nineteen forties. So it seems like a guy who like grew up in a pretty regressive background but was Making significant strides to be a better person a open to new ideas and new people new cultures definitely not a villain would be fair to say By nineteen forty two birch had become discouraged by the bureaucracy of the missionary effort in china. Feeling as if it distracted from the more important work of providing meaningful aid for a nation that was driven by war and starvation. He volunteered to serve in the us military mission to china as a chaplain before he got an answer. He wound up helping to rescue. Jimmy doolittle's raiders. Who had just bombed civilians in tokyo as revenge for pearl harbor and landed in china as purchase biographer notes quote. They saw a gaunt western man with several days. Growth of beard and one of the airman exclaimed. Jesus christ the missionary replied. That's an awfully good name. But i am not he so to all right. You'll you'll clever bastard. Shut not just high. You gotta you gotta you gotta you gotta throw out something good. They're like i would have gone with. That's my dad's name. That's the way off. Yeah that would have been funnier remark. If only john birch had done more standup up sets only jordan was around back. Then punch you on social responses one note. John one note get one more time. Let's take it from the top mobile app. You can't imagine if you were him giving that response that like what seventy years later. Some fix arguing about whether or not. It was funny on a podcast. Imagine i would. I would like that. I would like seventy years from now. Somebody to be like pretty good. That's worth a life at one. Time jordan responded to someone saying hi to him was not funny enough and neither seventy years from now behind behind the bastards where they just go episodes if my podcast and punch it up correct. It'll be funny still your transition driver which you need to not to most people capitalism's not gonna last that long. Nothing's gonna last aunt but you do need to do an art okay. Here's a product. A healthy lifestyle should be easy right veggies drink green smoothies exercise to get your heart rate up do yoga to bring your heart rate down and okay maybe not so easy but there is something that helps improve everything and you can do it with your eyes closed. It's sleep sleep. 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Broadly speaking on the right side of things because they're against who is killing millions and millions and millions of people so yeah. He's not completely unproblematic guy. But not a bad guy and his after leaving the service was to do more missionary work. He was gonna move to tabet but he never got the chance to do that. By nineteen forty-five birch was physically and mentally wrecked. Both from a terrible war and from repeated bouts of malaria He got his final military assignment. In august which was just after the japanese surrender was announced and that like when japan surrendered. The chinese nationalist and the chinese communist forces started fighting again and birch was with the us military unit and again sick and everyone who was rounded up the time notes that he was like showing increase signs of paranoia through. He was not in a good mental place and the group says the stupidity didn't have hydroxy clerk win that that actually would have helped. Yes 'cause it's an anti-malaria so virtuous party the guys he was with the us military unit with ran into a group of communist soldiers and they ordered the americans to disarm birch got and insulted people. In like we don't exactly know what happened but there was a fight and birch was shot dead never learned chinese. He wouldn't have been able to piss them off as much. Yeah the the lesson here is never learned another another language you in a field in china by red army sold. I think that's what i think. That's what i'm going to take away from. This quit. Quit your spanish lessons today and save your own life. This podcast is brought to you by duolingo. Yeah so mazi. Done actually apologized for the killing of john. Birch to an american general who is in charge of the us mission in the country at the time But mao kind of walked away from that meeting really angry because the american general seemed to be insistent that he could be should be able to send american troops anywhere inside of china without informing the chinese ahead of time so it was a whole. It was a whole big deal and it just seems like a a tragedy like bird was being addict but also was sick and struggling with. Ptsd and doesn't seem to have been a bad guy. It's just a bummer. It's war were yeah. It'd be fair to call him a complicated man But yeah definitely not a villain in-depth though. His legacy was really really simplified. Thanks in large part to robert welsh. He turned john birch into a symbol. Because to welsh john birch was the first american to die fighting communism even though we end really been fighting communism that actually been like broadly speaking trying to help china and they just got into an argument with some communist soldiers and everyone was probably drinking was doing to apply nuance to a situation. Where there's only good guys and bad guys. How dare you ever consider the bad guys. Human beings that's crazy. Yeah yeah welsh does not see any nuance in this to him. John birch is a martyr who like gave his life to destroy communism and yeah he starts turning him into basically like the john the baptist of capitalism link. That that's kind of bob welch's goal here Would yeah i don't. I never knew. John birch obviously because he died decades before my birth. But reading about the guy. You kinda get the feeling. He'd be a little bit bummed. Who else didn't know him and robert welsh. Robert did not know him. No not even a little bit as fair in nineteen fifty. Four welsh started work on. What would become one of his. Most consequential books the politician. He was inspired to write it during a car. Ride in new york with a friend basically. He's in a car with a buddy of his there. Unlike driving to new york and he starts ranting about dwight eisenhower and talking about how he's a communist agent. We've ended after hours of this one has to assume his friend is like. Hey why don't you shut the fuck up and just write a book about this. That's every time. I've been on the road as a comic book. You should write a book which is a classy way of saying. Please stop talking. Welsh does not take this as a classy way of saying please stop talking and he actually writes a book. I don't think please stop talking. Is something he respected. Very much as a as a way of life. Not a real pleased guy. Yeah nora stop guy. If the decision to write this book to Yeah not a great lot of the leviathan was taken. So he had to go with. The politician may god forgive. Us was already already been taking god. Forgive us again god. Forgive us to talk give lou. May god forgive us. Five got sunnis all forgiving. May we be. Forgiven tokyo driss. It's fun so welsh started as this conversation with just right fucking book is and how are the communists. Wealth starts by writing a letter which outlines his feelings on eisenhower and he revises it over the years nineteen fifty-six and again in nineteen fifty eight and basically every year. He sends out a new draft of this letter to anyone who would listen to him and he calls it a letter. But by the third revision it was eighty thousand words long which you might notice as not a lever a letter. Did he just right. I want more money over and over and over again. No yeah what he wrote. I feel like some of my relatives like holiday. Letters might end up being about that long. I feel like i don't have word counts on it. But they feel thousand. Words was at least one recipe in there right. There had to be one recipe. A- papa suckers fashioned pop mean. I would be really angry if any of my friends are loved. One sent me an eighty thousand word. Letter like really. Oh oh that one. I would happily get that one other than her. A letter that i was supposed to actually read evaluated garbage. Thanks for sending me that letter. That's great teams leonard. Yeah yeah exactly your uncle. I have thrown your letter in the trash. Thank you for sending me such a heavy package. So yeah since by the third revision it was more than eighty thousand words long. She decided to start calling it. A book the politician as he titled it became the underground secret text of what became a small cult like following a friends and admirers. Who increasingly believe that. Bob welch was something of a profit in february of nineteen fifty-six. Welsh launched his first magazine. One man's opinion he later. Renamed it american opinion really like actually reveals a lot about his thought process. Yeah i think this. No america thinks this asset that idea of these subjective actually being the objective. Yeah yeah that's how the artist thinks. Yeah it is. It is pretty telling so He left the welsh company at the start of nineteen fifty seven and began preparations to turn his circle of followers into a formal political advocacy group. Now this point welsh was convinced. Not just that. Eisenhower was a crooked politician but that he was a secret communist in the white house like that. Eisenhower was actually a communist and was was attempting. Tipu late the united states into socialism from the white house. That's crazy that that stuff used to happen in the past a wild. Yes just like it's just like how could you be in that head space whereas something like that happen. We ever crazy. It's crazy. imagine looking alleged looking at dwight eisenhower. Being so far right that you're like that fucking marxist imagine looking at biden like he's the kind of person who like everyone is a marxist skeet. Shoot with poor people. Yeah that's that's that's bob welch's politics in a nutshell Yeah and welsh wasn't just convinced that ike was a communist. He believed that the majority of both the republican and democratic parties most of their elected leaders. At least were communists and communist sympathizers so Bob welsh in order to kind of Spread this warning about encroaching. Communism turned to the massive rolodex of wealthy industrial magnates. That he built up over years and the candy world. He invited all of these guys to a hotel in suburban indianapolis in december of nineteen fifty eight and. He asked them to stay for two days. He didn't tell them what it was about. Or why he was inviting them to a hotel for two and gentlemen. It is a murder mystery. He kind of he just said. It was a matter of utmost importance. So he's very cloak and dagger very secretive enough like the seventeen guys that bob welsh invites eleven of them. Show up to see what he has to say. I'm going to quote from real cool characters among those eleven. Yeah yeah no cool folks at least one bastards pot alumni after exchanging firm handshakes in the breakfast room of the sprawling two or style house in the tony meridian. Park neighborhood watch explained why he had brought this group together. The united states faced an existential threat from an international communist conspiracy hatched by an immoral gang of sophisticated criminals. The power hungry god hating government worshippers had infiltrated newsrooms public schools legislative chambers and houses of worship. There were frighteningly close to total victory. Welsh felt in his gut. These cunning megalomaniacs seek to make themselves the absolute rulers of a human race of enslaved robots. In which every civilized trait has been destroyed. Welsh wrote in the blue book of the john. Birch society the organization's founding history. That would really sound unhinged to me if he weren't proven one hundred percent correct on every point there right Yeah yeah. I think it got it. I think you nailed it. There's definitely a group of cutting megalomaniacs who seek to make themselves the absolute rulers of a human race reduced robotic servitude. But it's jeff. Jesus us guys who would have been in the john birch society class so the chosen few gathered here would form the vanguard of a new political movement in army of brave american patriots dedicated to preserving the country's christian and constitutional foundations wealthed. Chris and the group the john birch society named in memory of a. Us soldier. Ya you know. The guy and their goal at the beginning was destroying the quote communist conspiracy or at least breaking its grip on our government. Shout during its power within the united states. So i love. I love guys like there's a conspiracy to kill everybody. And then they create what is essentially the knights templar. What are we doing. There's a conspiracy. We have to create a conspiracy to fight a. We're going to be a secretive group of crusaders fighting against communism what's what's weird and conspiratorial about that. Same thing you hear now like You know there's a there's a coup going on in our government so we have to form a counter coup of course and then they're going to form a counter counter coup against our counter coup like what what do we even do and this is just like one of those dolls inside a doll. Yeah onion well. it's just it's one of the most effective ways if you're trying to convince people to do something that's blatantly evil in horrible you all the best way to do. It is to convince them that the people you're going to be harming are doing the same thing to you exactly like we should have martial law because biden's going to martial law or like. That trailer park was going to gear up in their forerunners and drive through my neighborhood. Firing out the window so i have to get in my forerunner and drive through their trailer. Park shooting into trailers. There's no other option. They forced me into it False flag also by the way. Yeah so all eleven of the rich. Dudes that welsh invited to. His meeting became founding members of the john. Birch society. Talk about these guys. Oh yeah we're gonna talking about these guys. One of them was t coleman andrews former commissioner of the irs Another was the personal aide former personal aide for general douglas macarthur who attempted to nuke both china and north korea Good guy Them was fred coke founder. thou- father while and founder of the infamous coke brothers. Yeah yes those are. Those are the three that i've found worth. Naming there's an reveal p. Oliver wasn't either too. I think so who's reveal. Opi oliver you know these people he was. He was a guy who ended up Inspiring william luther pierce writing his his works. Oh christ he became a big fascist guy. I think he was. He was one of the founding members. Yep you're right you're right you're right. Here's a real thinker of the the crypto early fascist. Oh yeah classics professor from the university of illinois founded yep yep in one of the holocaust denial movements leading lights. What a great meeting to help in a fly on that wall cool pl lot of lot a real casual antisemitism like collection of actual like demons. The way that you like literally is not in the way you demonize your enemies and all that stuff. Those guys even. If you're like broadly in agreement with what they believe you should look at that meeting and go get the fuck away from me you guys are tariff ripples are almost astounding even just talking about like the the idea that fred coke. The father of the coke brothers is in the same room with reveal. Oh p oliver who inspired and helped facilitate the writing of the turner. Her yes pain. It's insane the tendrils. It makes sense though because one of the fun things to do with the far right and with the normal right is to play like the kevin bacon game with the turner. Diaries your cow like how how. How can you tie back a republican politician to the turner. Diaries generally less than four steps. Yeah one hundred. Thanks to the coke brothers. Hey good guys. Good guys at least later on. Yeah god i wanna. I wanna fuck up the world badly enough but also being a position where i can just be like oopsy toodle guys. I'm gonna. I'm gonna be honest. This one's on me my bad my bad big enough man to admit when i've destroyed the entire world and this is that time for me. I fumbled hey. We all make mistakes. We all know mistakes. Best order to make this right one for three one. Three is the best baseball players in order to make this right. I have purchased oppo buddies shirt day anyway. Sorry to everyone who's lost left wants so from the beginning. Welsh patterned the john birch society off of the revolutionary communist movements. He so despised which is again another. Like so you're saying these people are like the the epitome of all evil and you're also deliberately framing your group out of after them. You're scared because they're good at it. Now they are good at it like obviously alexander alexander alex jones. I don't know if you know this. We do a little bit about it. He just put out like. Hey what we need to do is get all the truck drivers together and have them strike in a unified front. And you're like do you. Not hate unionization withholding of labor sources of political action. There's nothing wrong with that. Not well for us. Yeah damn there's something no yes. You shouldn't be same thing with police unions. Well it's like you. People use firehoses on striking workers. You don't get to unionize lake. So from the beginning. Welsh pattern the john birch the pattern them off of revolutionary communist movements in his initial founding documents. Welsh wrote that. He wanted the john birch society to be a monolithic body operating under completely authoritative control at all levels. In other words he would be the mao or the stolen of his own counter communist movement the society would be organized into cells of ten to twenty members formed after the revolutionary cadre that were common in underground communist movements. Like you read about the the kamerhe rouge in like the founding of that. And it's like the same basic organizational strategies. You're trying to avoid like infiltration. Yeah it works. Yeah yeah. I mean it is yeah it. It works pretty well. There's a reason he patterns off of this even though it is ironic informed his followers that he had considered a republican form of organization for their society but that while it had certain attractions and advantages under certain favorable conditions. It failed under quote less happy circumstances. The united states welsh insisted was beset by less happy circumstances and the extent of socialist infiltration in american society made any republican system open to infiltration distortion in disruption. Robert welsh was in short creating an underground fascist political party. His disdain for anything that even smacked of democracy was quite clear. Welsh told his followers that democracy was quote merely a deceptive phrase a weapon of demagoguery and perennial broad. So i i don't want people to be able to vote. I should give more money. Yeah i do not want people to be able to vote for anything really because they will vote for socialism. Shit that you see today. It's there's nothing new here. Well that's what's interesting about. This is that he was like like now. we have. It's shocking to a lot of people that we have all these mainstream elected. Republicans saying openly like We're not a democracy. Democracy is bad. We don't want democracy when there's this much socialism going around if you let people choose things though choose dangerous socialism and bob welch was the guy fucking sixty years before that who is being like. This is exactly the way we should be framing things. I have a question. Do you think he is. He a do you notice. He's not the same kind of right wing drifter we're used to seeing all over the place safe. I don't think he's a greater okay. I don't think he's a he's already rich for one thing and i sure yeah well like rich. People don't continue the gripped. I there's an element of a griffin. What he's doing but he is not seems to be like there's a graph the focus there's people who are the scam and then there are people who are like now ideological more on that side. I think he's an ideologue. I think he believes in what he's doing. Okay he's may well. Of course i don't worry about that. He's not he's not just in it for the money right. He doing this just to sell pills pills. Yeah he's not a pill guy not so. I'm going to quote now. From the world of the john birch society by dj malloy quote. All in all it was a hierarchical derived not just from the many years welsh. It spent in the world of business but also from his openly if perhaps surprisingly expressed admiration for the organizational tactics of his communist foes acknowledging the similarity between linens notion of the dedicated few in his own plans for the john birch society in the blue book for example. The always capitalized founder explained that he was willing to draw on all successful. Human experience in organizational matters so long as it does not involve any sacrifice of morality in the means used to achieve an end. If i'm if i'm in that room. I'm like he's going to be removing people from pictures pretty soon. Yeah he's he's going to be racing us from history add-ons trust that guy. He's going to be relying on everyone's wife to send letters while drunk and yell about khamis so membership is one of the dedicated view was not free monthly. Dues were twenty four dollars for men and twelve dollars for women which probably says something unfortunate life. Memberships cost thousand dollars. There were monthly chapter meetings. For the first. Two years of the john birch society things went along smoothly enough where the society was passed mouth to mouth and sells a berkshire sprang up all round. The nation welsh address them all monthly in the society's bulletin which he wrote every word of it was not always easy to get freedom loving americans to sign up for an organization. That was fundamentally undemocratic monolithic authoritarian instructor won't spent a lot of his time explaining to members. Why such a strict and unbending hierarchy was necessary. He told them that the us was a shoreline of beautiful house is threatened by a rising flood assume the floods non white people the birches in there where lonesome boys with brooms trying to sweep it back what they needed. Welsh insisted was a dynamic boss to get them organized by barking. This is again from one of his writings. so he's like he's describing the us as a bunch of beautiful houses and there's this flood threatening in brooms beating it back and all those boys need is a boss. Who's willing to shout this. Hey you guys all of you drop those pretty brooms you fellows down there on the end. Start running empty bags you fellows in those next two groups start filling those bags with sand human here all of you start looking those bags of sand to put on this wall. The communists have busted up so badly you fellows over there all of you get the heaviest clubs you could buy. Spread yourselves out along the whole length of this wall and don't hesitate to break the heads of any saboteurs. You find monkeying with it. Don't even hesitate to break the heads of those you find creeping towards the wall if you were share of their evil intentions is set up perfectly and it's the best country that has ever existed there circumstances that are happening right now. The really we need dictator afraid to. There's just nothing it's just. It's impossible to avoid circumstantial. We need a dictator. Otherwise people are going to spend all their time swing and brooms and not beating people in the head making sandbags. I find it funny that the starts is a metaphor for trying to organize people to deal with what is presumably like nami or flood condition and instead turns into beating communist with sticks. There's a flood coming. Punched the water to help it. I mean every year. Or so. I go out to the coast and get to a fight with the ocean and i think that's why we have not had a major soon nami on the the west coast of the united states in years. I just get drunk and scream. You think you're bigger because of me. I beat the shit out of the ocean every couple of years. Georgia seen me. Selfie jordan lake michigan. You have to if you don't if you don't if you don't stand up to bodies of water they're going to walk all over you literally. We're all nodding like sure very stoic. Nod yes fight the ocean at that could the that could go in the don'ts of the art of salesmanship right there. I think Yeah i would have started john birch society. That's just themed at getting people to fight. The ocean fight various forms of nature. Yeah mostly oceans. Punch trees water. All of john birch was preaching. Was good enough to earn his society. The membership of one of my favorite bastards pod characters. Phyllis schlafly she and her husband. Some guy joined in nineteen fifty nine. So yeah that's good. Phyllis schlafly gonna bark at that. Closest chef schlafly shleifer a as as we used to call ourselves not on the left squad. Nah so that same year. Same schlafly and her husband joined the john birch society. Robert welsh launched a crusade to recall newly installed supreme court justice earl warren justice warren was a liberal who had written the majority opinion for a decision that overruled state and local segregation laws. We're talking brown versus board of education. Yeah robert welsh did not like brown versus the board of education. Not not wild about the fact that black people got to go to the same schools as white people and welches is earl warren's opinion on this case meant that he was a communist. Welsh insisted in letters that warren had violated his oath and he harangued his most gifted followers to turn the effort to recall the justice into a movement privately. Welsh wrote that frankly with the left wing control now so strong in cities and ubiquitous in washington. I am not deceiving myself that we have very much chance of really bringing about the impeachment of warren. Although we might. But i don't think that is really as important as dramatizing to the whole country where he stands where the supreme court now constituted under him stands and how important. It is to face the facts about the road. We are now traveling on so fast. So it's really interesting to me. Because in all of his public like publications he makes it clear that this is a real effort to recall era war. And and i think we have a real shot. And we're going to get this guy out of the supreme court and his private letters. He's like we're never going to do this. It's all about making people angry about the rhetoric. It's about who show up the fight. Yeah which is not like anything else. That's happened since. I know a lot of size on this episode. Passed in the future compared. So you get a feel for bob welch by reading his letters. I'm going to read you now. An excerpt from when he sent to t coleman andrews. Who's the commissioner of the irs. Start with screen. I mean kind of it begins with what i hear. Out of all of this writing the letter begins with welches regret. That andrews turned down an opportunity to spearhead the effort against what welsh refers to in all caps as the movement to impeach warren. He calls it that in all caps every time he types about it. He's a guy. Twitter is or not on the supreme court anymore. Is i think he's dead at this. I was gonna say because you gotta go for him. I you know he's your guy. So yeah he starts by being like it's a bummer. That you don't want to help me impeach warren He goes on to discuss gathering storms in the south which is a reference to the civil rights movement Which bob welch stated he thought was directly caused by the communist party quote if blood does flow there which i agree is entirely likely it will definitely be because the communists planned it that way. They have schemed for so long to be in position to fan little fires of civil disorder into huge conflagration of civil war. If and when they need such a horror in their moves to take over and john birch. Though a minister devoted a piece was entirely ready to fight for a cause which he considered worthy of sacrifice so devoted to peace voted to piece. This guy something. He's he's referring to john birch who he did in saying we have to be like john birt devoted a peace but was willing to get into a drunken argument with communist soldiers. Get shot to death. That sounds like most right wing. Heroes like arnold travis. He was drunk He may have been drunk on malaria. I'm just assuming everyone. He's just wasted at all times. That's a good idea. John birch handed earl warren. That is actually a little known fact and found that in right okay nonsense. Yeah so welsh portrayed. The john birch society is work not as partisan activism but as an attempt to unite all americans under an anticommunist banner in nineteen. Sixty issue of the bulletin. He wrote it is of vital importance to the communists to split americans into all kinds of groups snarling at each other and so he said the society would not seek the split up. americans we are fighting communists period. Nobody else they put people into all these groups. And i don't think we should have black people jewish people chinese people liberals the lgbtq community. I don't think we should have any of those people. Those specific groups that i have chosen to deny as people see after evil. Yeah they're dividing us by people who aren't like it. Yeah exactly so. Yeah welsh by the mid nineteen fifties had grown increasingly. Convinced that the entire. Us government was basically communists all the way down and one of the main triggers for this was when congress voted to censure jr senator joe mccarthy in nineteen fifty four So he like on time by the way out right on time they got to quick. So yeah because eisenhower was a big part of finally censoring. Joe mccarthy after leading joe mccarthy joe mccarthy for years welsh saw this as more evidence that i was a secret communist hittings kind of on the wall all the signs. Are there if you're looking he. After justice to whole red scares he stepped in so the politician. Welch's book about ike remained largely a secret work. He circulated among his most loyal inner circle. He handed out to lake leaders in the movement but regular members didn't get to know it was kind of like zeno like when you get high enough up in the birch society word that eisenhower's a communist welsh noted about his book and one private letter quote are rather extreme precautions with regards to this document or not due to any worry on my part as to what might happen to myself but many of my best informed friends feel that having the manuscript get into the wrong hands at the present time might do far more damage than good to the whole anticommunist. 'cause it's it's alex jones. I mean in. Alex jones as a little bit of a spoiler was Grew up on john birch material so not a coup winky dink so for the berkshire rank and file. Eisenhower was just a crooked politician. Who was much too friendly with foreign leaders. At one point nineteen sixty. Ike agreed to attend a summit with nikita khrushchev british prime minister harold macmillan and french president charles de gaulle welsh considered all three of these men to be card carrying communists. Go which with khrushchev spare but to go to go to communist to do rituals and dates and remember. I mean he was pretty problematic and a lot of ways himself but communist is not an accurate is very limited. So as mcmillan for that matter. Yeah so well-considered again all these guys to be communist. And he had the john birch society. Sunday heavily publicized. Message to president eisenhower. If you go don't come back. Exploded was sent out in a blizzard. You'll be exiled hanging out with famous communist. Charles de gaulle. If you go what a great threat you go to that meeting conference room your so. The slogan was santana blizzard of postcards letters and telegrams and within the society it was actually quite controversial since many new were not as irrational as the group's founder nationwide sparked curiosity for this strange semi underground organization. One curious individual was jack mabley an investigative reporter and columnist for the chicago daily news so hey hometown hero yeah mabley. It's technically candyman. Is a hometown hero for chicago to. That's both hometown hero. Chicago only way to stop bad chicago chicago so yeah mabley starts looking into the john birch society he went. He fills his way into attending a meeting and he talks with the number of its members and by hooking by rookie comes into possession of a copy of the politician da. Yeah so it's it's made its way out of the society's inner circle and into the hands of a journalist now fortunately robert welches prophecies are people are going to. They're going to quote now from dj molloy's book. On the john birch society writing about maybe leads. You know the article. He writes about the politician. Quote this fantastic document. Mabley reported accuses president eisenhower of treason. It flatly calls him a communist and for three hundred and two pages attempts to document the charge and he provided an exact quote from the book to prove his claim. One that would haunt welsh in the birch society for years to come but which was mysteriously although understandably absent when the book was officially published in nineteen. Sixty three. it was well. i think that milton. Eisenhower the president's brother is a communist has been for thirty years. This opinion is based largely on general circumstances of his conduct. But my firm belief that dwight eisenhower is a dedicated conscious. Agent of the communist conspiracy is based on an accumulation of detailed evidence so extensive and so palpable. But it seems to me to put this conviction beyond any reasonable doubt through some violation of confidence. Someone who had been sent the letter in nineteen fifty eight had passed it onto mabley and the journalists had naturally selected for quotation the most extreme statements he could find without the benefit of any explanation or modifying imports of the context around the violation. The yes he's like. Hey can i take a look at your copy of that. Yeah sure violation fan. And i love the idea. That's out of context. Yeah that's the thing that people say about jordan. Peterson and alex jones. Like the defense is they always make is that. You're just taking us out of context. And that's what fucking welsh. In the john birch society do with this document. They claimed that he was like well. I said i didn't say that eisenhower. Woes a communist agent. I said that. I thought he was based on evidence that i'd seen that old saying he's a communist the rest yes. Eighty thousand words are the stone cold dead to rights evidence. That sounds great journalist. Quote unquote is not taking into account and that is really malpractice news so most people did not by welsh defense. In fact saturday evening post reporter. Who wrote about the john. Birch society nine hundred sixty seven stated that its members spent most of their time talking to outsiders answering questions about is communist eisenhower conspiracy so like this kind of dominates the public perception. They become a bit of a joke to a lot of americans. Because you know it's ridiculous. Yeah they they. They got their revenge. This did not stop the john birch society although it did draw attention to the group for the first time this may have helped as much as it harmed. Tens of thousands of americans continued to flock to the john birch society eventually growing to ninety five thousand members in nineteen sixty five. 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Reflections and A Look Ahead to Twenty-fineteen

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Reflections and A Look Ahead to Twenty-fineteen

"Hi, welcome to the road to you. I'm ready gabled joined by my husband. We'd like to invite you to join us is we have real conversations about truth grace and living out our Christian faith. If you have a messy past struggle with the idea of being the perfect Christian or simply curious about just what Christianity is your the right place. Listen, we don't claim to have all the answers. But we're excited to have real conversations that deal with topics that matter so grab a drink. Buckle up. And let's head on down that long road home. I was gonna start this episode by singing old legs. I nine. Then I remembered I don't know the words to that song. Nobody does I think most everybody just hums along. And then they sing the few words that they do know. Right, drunkenly, usually. Well, yeah, there is that. Yeah. So I won't saying, okay. Like I've done in the past. Okay. And everyone is thankful for that. I don't know. I think you seeing well. So hey, twenty nineteen Matt yet will almost we are recording. This on New Year's Eve, we are. So it's not quite twenty nineteen but close enough, but the day people listen to it it will be twenty nineteen while this is true. So when I was thinking as let's come up with a new name for twenty nineteen like. Like the year of something or other? I mean, it could be that. I was thinking just a play on words like twenty fine teen like everything's gonna be fine. Okay. Yeah. Like that twenty five teen. Everything's gonna be fine. But you don't know that I don't but the power of positive thinking. Okay. We will think it into existence. Exactly because that's the way the world works. Right. Not really. No. But. But yes, what are some other good titles for twenty nineteen? Don't even get me start. You know, how I hate naming things. So are we just going to settle with twenty five fifteen? If we must I suppose. I'm probably just going to call it twenty nineteen. Well, I'm not on any check any any time. I have to date anything. That's gonna get old. I'm gonna write twenty five teen. Everything's going. Everything's fine. Here gonna make everybody upset in the line at the grocery store as you ride out twenty fine team. Do you know I saw a lady writing a check at the grocery store the other day about stopped me dead in my tracks. Because I was like who does that anymore? I know I mean, nobody yet you do that when the chips are down, and and you can't find your card or you don't have cash, right? Yeah. But why would you do that otherwise? And she even know she didn't even know what date. It was. I was like lady you cannot be writing checks. If you don't know the date. That's who you are. You're the person that knows the date because you write checks. I'm counting on you. And she doesn't know she's looking around. What is the date? Good lord. If you don't know none of us. Do we don't see into chance we're not to twenty five teen yet? We don't know. It's not. So that was my trip to WinCo. Yeah. So anyway, so so this week we passed the Christmas celebration. Yes, we are jumping into the new year some immersion, and what are. What are we doing for this exciting new year entering into twenty five fifteen we're gonna go out for dinner? We're going to offer dinner. That's it. That's all we're doing. We're not going anywhere fancy. No. It's going to be slightly better than Jack in the boxes. What we decided? Yeah. You know? And that's that's something. That's sort of where we're at at the moment. Yeah. So our kids are not going to be here. They're going to be doing things with their friends. So yes, we're at that point now where we're starting to get an empty house from time to time it will. And and we're too we're too old for the late night. Like woo party all night kind of thing. Right. I mean, not that we were ever super big into that tool for it now and too young to ignore it completely. Exactly. Yeah. I hear you weren't that. Really rough spot in life middle hard. Has there been any spot in life? That hasn't been a little rough just wanna know he of all suck at some point. They do. Yeah. So so. Oh, okay. Let's think back to Christmas. The what we wanted to do this episode was just kind of reflect on Christmas, you maybe like a theme or I don't know like perhaps. I don't know reflect on something that went, particularly well or something that you struggled with or something like that. Well, let me do you want me to start because I could go off. I could take up the whole podcast by that wrong. I'm just kidding. That's not entirely true. Though. It feels kinda true. Right. I I know you are struggling through some of it. Yeah. So that you know at this at the start of December. We did our episode with the lake the holiday survival guide, and you know, like, this is how we're going to survive this. You know, what often proves to be a kind of difficult holiday season for for a lot of people and myself included, and I had plans, and I had intention as we always do always. And I and I did so bad. I did so bad. I I remained depressed and frustrated for most of December. Cried more than I have previous months and just had a really hard time being thankful and grateful had a really hard time being in the moment. And it is because nothing went the way I wanted it to go like I didn't have elaborate notions for how things should be. But I did have certain expectations. And that was one of the things that we talked about was dropping the expectation and see I'm so good at telling people what they ought to do. Terrible at taking my own advice. Right. I we're just real. Yeah. And you know, so I I did have expectations in you know, I thought I expected one I expected there to be snow at some point in this month. There was no snow. No, we live in the Pacific northwest. There should be snow in the month of December. You know, I for one am kind of thankful. There hasn't been because I haven't had to buy new tires because the hasn't been snowing that is true that is snow hits. And I suspect it will at some point. I'm going to be in said shape. The tires. I've got that is true. This episode will now be sponsored by Mt. Hood entire pages. Mt. Hood auto entire which is my brother has shop up in welches, Oregon who will happily replace your tires. Yes. Great place to go. If you get a chance, you really should try it. Yeah. Good staff. Good people fair prices. There you go. You're welcome. Chris. That's my big brother. I love him. Yes. Boy that was a weird rabbit trail. So yeah, but I was expecting snow. We didn't have any right? And I was expecting to bake several different kinds of cookies with my daughter. She helped bake none. Because she had things that she was doing teenagers stuff stuff. I was expecting to have help making left's this year again teenager stuff got in the way, I was expecting to have Christmas shopping taking care of earlier on but finances and paychecks just didn't quite land up until like two days before Christmas. I was expecting. I don't know. I was expecting to have more peace, and I was expecting to have more joy. And instead what I had was frustration disappointment. Yeah. Yeah. And I and I of did a lot of self pity parties, which are, you know, not fun at the anytime. But especially when there are twinkly lights and Christmas ornaments up, and you know, Charlie Brown Christmas songs plan. It's weird to have a pity party, then but I did it so. Yeah, that's that's what I did bad. I did all of it. I did so much of it bad. Yeah. How about you? What did you what how did you screw up Christmas? You know, I'm afraid I didn't help your situation very much because. We've talked about this. I work in the evening. And so I don't have the evening at home with my family to sit down and enjoy dinner, or you know, listen to Christmas music and drive around and look at lights or something like that. Because I'm at work. So I tend to not feel very christmassy until I hit that Christmas break from work and that tends to be a day or two before Christmas. So really, yeah. I don't I don't feel very christmassy until then by then it's almost too late. Well, and this year to our daughter didn't get out of school until just a couple of days before Christmas. Yeah, they they're Cristiana school break didn't help either started really really late, which for me wasn't great. Yeah. I don't think it was great for any of us and makes it difficult to do holiday shopping and or. Or baking, or you know, any number of other things that you want to be doing at this time of year. We just didn't we didn't have that leisurely run up to Christmas where you get to do the preparations and really enjoy the season. It just didn't happen. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and I wonder too if if some of some of what happens when you get older like I've got the kind of these nostalgic memories of Christmases past you know, when I was ten years old, and my mom, and I would bake a bunch of cookies, and we'd decorate the house and everywhere you looked there was Christmas. And there was music, and and it wasn't uncommon for us to just about every night. It seemed sit down and watch some kind of a Christmas movie on the TV together as a family, you know, so and of course, I lived closer to the base of the mountain. So there was snow, right? And and I wonder if if. If it's just possible that my mom might have been feeling some of the same frustration disappointment that I feel. Maybe not for the same reasons. But just because there are expectations around Christmas in and I remember kind of you know, as we were leading up to Christmas and talking to other women just being like man does every mom feel this way at Christmas time and enhanced down every one of them was like, Yep. Yep. We do like that sucks. 'cause you know. I mean, this should be a happier time. So it's interesting. What it's what this has shown me is that there are things that I need to really think about and prepare for next year. And I think yesterday was Sunday, and we were sitting in our church and the the pasture. Greg was talking about twenty nineteen being the year of of really being with God like being in his presence. And and just enjoying time with Jesus. And how in spending time in the word and in prayer. That increases our joy in decreases. Our hope and it increases our our trust. And you know, all of these things are love for other people. I think maybe that's where I where ultimately went wrong. It wasn't so much that I that. I went that everything went belly up because it was Christmas time, I think everything kind of went belly up in my life because I haven't been prioritizing Christ the way I need to be which leads me into the next part of of our of this episode. Yeah. I was gonna say that's that's not just a Christmas time problem. That's a that's a life problem. Right. Yeah. 'cause to certain extent, that's that's something that I've struggled with quite a bit. I think feel like God has been working with me on on letting go of my hopes and expectations for things to make me available for what it is that he hopes and and what his will is. It's not a fun process. I it's it's a painful process and really difficult. But I'm hoping on the other side of it that that there's something good. Yeah. So yeah, I think I think the reason why it was so felt in holiday season is because it is. Of course, the season. It's supposed to be all about Jesus. And here, I am very much. Making it all about me instead. And so everything just was highlighted just how out of whack my heart and spirit was just really became enormously clear to me at several points and at several points. I tried to kind of correct that. And immediately went right back to a pity party. Right. So so it seems like I'm in some kind of a rut did I don't quite know how to get out of. But I have some thoughts on that. But but before we move onto that. What are some reflections that you've had with Christmas? Like, what are some? Well, it's not a new one. But it struck me again this year, you know, as we read the Christmas story both on this podcast. And it hurts it just struck me again and afresh just how amazing and miraculous. It was to have the creator of the universe. Infinite perfection all powerful God, compressed into this frail form of a baby. And and for him to set aside set aside, not only this perfect existence in heaven, but to set aside all of his power and authority and lay it aside and to to live life limited to humanity. You know, he set aside the power of God. So that he would experience what we experience and and go through life as a human. And so it makes I mean, we tend to think of Christ's time here on earth having been fulfilled by the cross and largely that's true. But we also have to remember that every day of his existence. Here was a sacrifice. And and so that just struck me again this year in in reading that story and just how much of a sacrifice that was to set aside all of the power all of the perfection of of God to live life as a human and not an easy life. You know, he didn't come into royalty or anything like that. He lived. He lived a life of poverty with you know, once he started his ministry. He didn't have a home over his head. You know, he was just a wanderer and relied on on God's provision for his needs and the needs of his followers. It's interesting. If if the cross and the forgiveness of sin was the only goal of Christ that could have been accomplished so much simpler, you know, he could have just showed up out in the wilderness as of fully grown person and gone through a little bit of ministry, or whatever the case may be to make sure that people knew who he was and then, you know, gone through the the sacrifice on the cross. But instead that wasn't his only purpose. His purpose was also to give us an example to follow. And to let us know that he was willing to to experience life is a human. So that one we would have no excuse, but to so that we would know that are. God can empathize with us. Yeah. That's that's a big thing. You know? 'cause you think about like. I mean, if you wanna put Jesus in modern day terms, like think about pimple faced angsty Jesus. Right. You know that he was ever angsty. He probably wasn't angsty. But, but but kind of in that crowd, you know, you put him in that middle school, and you know, with all these other kids that are pimple faced in, you know, dealing with hormones and in the temptations in the struggles, and the, you know, trying to individualize, and you know, all those things and yet, here's here's Jesus who's. Perfectly human perfectly God. And just setting the side has God hood and saying, Yep. I'm gonna I'm gonna door my voice changing too. And I'm gonna indoor you know, walk into six period. Wondering if I remember zip up, my pants, and you know, like, you know, those kinds of things that you know. I mean, if we wanna put it into a modern context like that's that's the God who says I understand what you're dealing with. And you're right. Had he not chosen to do that. You know, it would be so much harder to go. Yeah. He's a God. That that gets me. You know? Yeah. And you think about. Because you know, if you're somebody who believes God's word in reading about Christ. You know, you recognize that while he was limited to human power. He did he did have a perfected. He he was free from sin. He was born without sin. And so to be the the loan perfect person walking around and to go through this same world that we live in would have just kind of felt like, you know, you're constantly wallowing around in filth all day. You know? Man thinking about that just made me go could Lord 'cause I. One thing that's become clear to me in the past few months, and I never would have guessed this about myself. I tend to be a pretty harsh critic of other people and myself. Absolutely. But. I also tend to think that in a lot of ways I do everything so much better than most people. Now, that's something you don't wanna really admit on a on a public show. But I just did. I think I'm better than you. All. That's not. That's not enjoy that twenty fine team. That's not. That's not actually like a blanket statement true that I feel I but in in a lot of ways, I tend to feel like I do these X Y z so much better than these twenty people. Well, it's easy to think that when you know, your motivations for doing all of these things, and you look at some of the choices other people making why on earth, would you be doing that? Right. Well, we don't know their situation. We don't know what it was that brought them to make that choice in perhaps we would be making the same choice in given the same circumstances. And when I'm talking about like, even just driving. Well, yeah. I mean like in any situation there there so many times where I feel like everybody around me. Just does things wrong. I do them. Right. And if people would just do them the way, I do them the world would operate so much more smoothly. And yet, I know I am not per. Perfect. Right. So how much more difficult would it have been to be Jesus who was perfect who really was a better driver than every other person in the community. Like not that they had cars. But you know, what? I mean like right to sit there and go oh my gosh. Like and not sin in his even his thinking of like, EMMY, it's not like he just sat there and thought all these people are bunch of idiots. You know, what I mean like I do sometimes and trying to make. You know, but he loved them. And he was like, well, these people are misguided. They just need Jesus. You know? It's just it's just interesting to think, you know. Yeah. It is. I tend to think I'm perfect, and I'm totally not. And he really was and and didn't act like it. Right. Didn't didn't Lord that over people? Yeah. Yeah. In the grace that he exhibited in his everyday life was was so evident. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. Anyway, the those were my reflections on Christmas. And and the things that I tend to think about when I think of of Christ's birth and and his time here on earth. So. So. Moving to the next kind of segment of our show. Yes, let's talk about how are we going to take this into the next year? Like, maybe maybe maybe what we've kind of reflected on for, you know, Christmas, or or you know, what over the past year and twenty eighteen you know, what are some areas that that we just want to improve on? We're not talking resolutions people were matinee or not big on resolutions because no never have been. No. In fact, I won your mater resolution did not make resolutions because it was a resolution. I knew I would keep. And that was really my last resolution I ever made. And I've done a really good job at keeping. That's fantastic because I know myself well enough to know that like ninety nine percent of the American population. At least it's going to last a week or two at best. And then I'm gonna fall off the bandwagon and and feel like a failure. And and just give myself one more reason to beat myself up. So I don't wanna look at it as a resolution, but what are some like, I recognize some areas in my life, mind soul spirit, body, whatever that I need to be doing. I need to step up my game. So let's talk about that a little bit. Well, like I said I feel like God has been working on me to let go of of my expectations. My goals, my plans and really reach for what it is that he would have me do. And and I feel like I need to continue doing that continue working in that area. Because there so many areas of my life that that, you know, can be applied to just like even on a day-to-day basis. I might have expectation that I'm going to have this chunk of time available. And so I want to use it for something something that I will enjoy or whatever some reading or what have you? But perhaps God has something else in mind. Perhaps God would rather have me spent that time doing something else. I need to you know, so. So if something comes up, it would be easy to be frustrated and go, oh, I was going to do this. I was you know, my plans where this and now all of a sudden, here's this other thing in the I have a tendency to grumble about those other things the interrupt, whatever my agenda was and so I need to continue to work on that. And on just really listening to to God, not only in the big things but in the day to day as well. And I think for me it really goes back to what what Greg was preaching about yesterday. And that's spending time with God. I know I started twenty eighteen with every notion of reading through the the bible in a year, which I've done in the past and have really enjoyed that. But it's been a little while. And I thought I'm gonna do this again, and I'm gonna go in historical chronological order, and I started. And I completely fell off. And I may be got to March. I don't know I've talked about it on the show before. But like, I never got very far in the plan. You know? So here I am. On December thirty first of twenty eighteen and I've got three quarters of the bible that I still haven't read. Right. So that's not cool, which means. Like, that's a lot of days that I haven't been in God's word, and there have been a lot of days where you know, I have picked up my bible, and I've and I've studied something right? But there's a difference between studying God's word and just being in God's word. And I and I need to practice that being with God one of the things that there was also said in yesterday sermon, Greg was talking about how the wise men when they showed up to see Jesus and bring him gifts. They. They celebrated just being in his presence because he was about a year or two old. He was a little guy. He wasn't you know, he he couldn't do anything for them at that point. But they were just celebrating being in his presence. And and that's something that I forget to do. Because so often I'll come to God with expectation again. Like God, I've got this thing on my brain. And I need you to take care of it. And I need you to answer this need you to do this. And I've got this to do list honeydew list for God. And I'm pretty sure his honeydew list for me is Honey sit down shut up. You know? Honestly and. And I need to do that more. I need to just. Enjoy being with God. Because he's God. And because of Jesus I can be with God. I was just gonna say how amazing miraculous is that that, you know, the bible tells us we can come into God's presence through Christ boldly. We can come boldly into his presence. Yeah. And here he is the once again, the infinite creator of the universe all powerful all knowing from turn ity to return ity never changing, you know, all of the infinite ways in which he is God and so much more than we can possibly imagine. And yet he he not only tolerates us. He wants to hear from us yet. He invites us. He says, please come sit spend time with me drink with me. Eat with me talk with me, just hanging. I don't really understand that because good chunk of time. I don't wanna be with me. I don't either. But. I I sorta saw that one coming sort of set you up for it. But you know, one hundred percent day, I take no responsibility for that. But yeah, you know, and it should be where should be such a really such a breath taking opportunity to sit and be with the king of creation. Yeah. And we tend to treat it like a something on our to do list. Check that off. Yeah. It just becomes so blase and like a like a passing thought. Yeah. And I need to treat God. Like, he's more than just a passing thought. I think that's why I think that's why so many Old Testament prayers and prayers in general that that we have exemplified for us in the bible start off with praise. They start off by telling God all of the magnificence that he is and praising him for for it. It's not. It's not because God needs to hear that hearding knows. I know my resume. I was there. I did it exactly. It's for us. It's to remind us how mazing is this. Yeah. That we can say anything at all to God. And he would actually hear us and then to actually get a response. Yeah. That's yeah. It's just a pretty what a privilege. Yeah. You know? It's interesting because I remember very distinctly one morning just a couple of weeks ago. I was in the shower, and I was praying because that's, you know, a great place for prayer. And because it's the one time of day that you are alone. And there's no interruption, right? Unless you're the mom of small children, and then you just have to lock doors. Yeah. And I was praying, and I was very much. But you know, I mean, I said all of the, you know, like all the praise things like this is why you're so cool. But then I was like, and here's this one thing. God, I just want one thing from you. There's just one thing I'm asking it's not that much to ask God. It's just one thing. And it was really I'm confessing this now, I haven't even talked to God about this because it's really just occurring to me that and as I'm reflecting on that that prayer. It was so bradey I think would be the right word. It was just I was like an impetuous child demanding more from daddy warbucks. Right. Like, he's already given me everything that I could possibly want or need, and I'm stomping my feet going. That's not what I wanted. Yeah. We certainly tend to approach God with a sense of entitlement a good chunk of the time. Yeah. Yeah. So so I so that's my thing. That's for for twenty teen. Everything's fine. I'm going to really focus on spending time with God. Whether that's in reading my bible, or whether that's in prayer, or or whether that's just sitting and meditating on his word and letting it kind of just get get through the the cells and really penetrate, the heart. I yeah, I just I just need to I need to be with God more need to be with Jesus. I'm the person that needs. Jesus don't we all? The man. So. Yeah, fantastic. Well, I think I think we have some good goals. I think so they're not really actually I wouldn't even call him goals because goals would be like defined with like, you know, very set. Like MRs how I'm going to accomplish it. This is how much all -ccomplish by this date and. Even go there. We're not going to quantify. Yeah. But yeah, it's it's an understanding of this is what I need the kind of growth that I need to be seen in my life. You know, 'cause we should always be growing maturing in our relationship with God and link stagnating is not fun. And I think that's kind of where I've been a little bit. And and it's, you know, stagnant waters get stinky, pretty quick, and I don't wanna be sticky. Stagnant water. Speaking. I'm trying to think how how you're going to put that on a cross stitch pattern stagnant waters. Get stinky, pretty quick. There you go. You just did it. Saudi. So I think that's kind of it. Yeah. I think so I think I think we've covered the territory that we wanted to cover this time. And yeah, I would just hope that people in this new year as they look forward to twenty five fifteen would it's gonna. Would take some time to reflect and and think okay, you know, what is it that that God would have for me in this new year? And and what could I perhaps be working on to move a little further ahead in in my relationship to Christ move closer and understand him a little bit better. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's getting courage -ment. Yeah. Yeah. So as we're moving into twenty nineteen there's a couple of things that you as listening audience needs to no one is I am feeling a little bit pulled in a lot of different directions right now. So I'm gonna take were to take a month off of the podcast. So that we can kind of get our ducks in order because right now, they seem to all be wandering in separate directions. So we're gonna try to get them all lined up. We're going to try to get some things kind of. We're just going to try to get ahead of the game a little bit in the past like over the summer. We did our little miniseries and over the month of December. We did a little mini series. But what that means is I still have to record and edit and produce new shows, so whether it's a twenty minute show or it's a forty five minute show. It still kinda the same amount of work, and I just need to take some time off because. Podcasting is a lot harder than I ever would have guessed yet. Will I think there's a reason that you know, broadcast shows and so many other things they have they take vacations? Yeah. You know, and there's some time off because the schedule is relentless. And you know, every week there's supposed to be a new episode, and and is difficult. It's hard to keep up with kids. You're coming up with new content, and and then the just the production work post production work done and getting everybody schedules coordinated and all that stuff it it's it's a lot. And I'm wearing a lot of hats with the podcast. So that being said one of the things that we really really I cannot stress this enough really would like from you guys is your input as audience members. As to what you would like to hear is. Is there a topic that you're wondering about is there? A specific question that you have related to the bible or to life or to whatever ask those questions give us that feedback because this show is not it's not about us. It's not for us. This is for the glory of God. And it's for you guys to to hopefully, help encourage your guys growth and understanding of who God is as we continue to grow and understand who got is. So we can do that without doing the show. We don't need to do the show to do that. So in order to have you guys involved in this. We'd like to hear from you. If you've got questions, if you've got a topic suggestions or people that you think would make great interviews. If you think you yourself would make a great interview because you have a story to tell by all means, let us know that you can Email us at road home. To you at g mail dot com. That is where you will do best to let us know. Your your suggestions? So yeah, we're gonna be taking the rest of January off. We'll come back in February. I don't know what that first Tuesday February is, but we'll be back, then if anything should change, you know, we'll let you know. Now, we are still gonna put out put out shows for January. They're just gonna be reruns. So, you know, keep tuning in. If you just love the dulcet tones of my voice, more or Matt's because we'll be there. So yeah, check out the reruns. And then we'll be back in February that being said is there anything else that needs to happen? I can't think of anything. I think I think you covered it. Okay. That. All right. Well, hey, so twenty five fifteen everything's gonna be fine. Do you know why it's gonna be fine because we're going to love God, we're gonna love people. We're gonna pray heart. We'll see you guys February love you. Bye.

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DIY Landscaping Mistakes-ELY098

The Easy Living Yards Podcast

42:04 min | 1 year ago

DIY Landscaping Mistakes-ELY098

"What's up I'm Ben Hale and this is the easy living yards podcast? Creating Beautiful Yard should be easy. Let's jump in in create the Dream Yard. You deserve so you can enjoy more time doing what you love Welcome to episode ninety eight of the easy living yards. podcast cast today. We're GONNA be talking about my diy landscaping mistakes things. I've messed up in my own landscaping and I want to share with you so you can do it better just like in the past two episodes. This is a throwback episode to an earlier episode from the easy living yards. podcast guys. I'm taking it a little bit slower. In the month December. It takes a lot of work a lot of production effort to run this show as well as run a business plus work fulltime plus trying to be a good. You know good dad right and so I'm good husband two right so I've decided that during the month December I'm going to share with you the most valuable episodes and shows or you know some of them. There have been tons of valuable opposites and shows that we've done so I really encourage you to go back. Can you know sift through over almost one hundred episodes now guys of super valuable stuff tough. Check out what you need for. You know various topics of what you're working on your landscape or what you're trying to learn about your landscape so there's a ton of value there and so I've put up you you know just three of these. These shows in the month of December. To Really Kinda bring forward against some of this stuff and so funny enough one one of my most popular episodes of all time was when I shared my diy landscaping mistakes. So apparently guys like to hear about when I mess things up so I wanted to. Oh you know bring this episode forward again and replay it for you today so you can really learn from the mistakes I've made in. How do it better okay? We all mess up right. It always happens But we can also learn from each other's mistakes so that was really the intent of this show and so I want you to hopefully enjoy this show and take it away today. We are going to be talking about me. That's right. Who are going to be talking about my mistakes my diy landscaping mistakes today? And and so I just want you to learn that even somebody like me who's crazy about landscaping can still make some blunders. Still makes mistakes and that's okay and and the best we do is pick ourselves up trying to fix the best we can and move forward so we're going to be talking about my idea way landscaping mistakes today before that. We're GONNA cover a few topics I if you guys haven't heard already. I am opening up my easy leaving yards membership very soon as of the the time. This podcast episode comes out because you know I kinda prerecord some of these. You know these are the things that are coming out live right but anyway so by the time this episode episode comes out likely. The founding membership will be closed. So I'll be working with a special group of founders. That have special founder's rate and they get super close access with me. They get influenced the initial development of the membership and what is and how valuable it is and really kind of you know. Kick the tires a little bit and and help me You know get get the membership the best possible before we open it up now we will be opening up the membership very soon and and if you want to be one of those first members to get in and to really make a positive changing your landscape you can always go over to E. L. Y.. Dot how slash membership and likely by the time this episode comes out. What I'll have is a just a quick? Wait list where you can kind of do. Just sign up to get notified. As soon as I'm watching the membership that way you can get in and make a positive difference in your landscape and just so you know what this membership is about is. It's it's really about giving giving you the confidence the know how and the support you need to transform your landscape for the better. So if you're looking to really make a positive change in your landscape this you're this membership is for you and what we're doing with this membership is. I will be in there with the rest of the community and we'll be giving each other the support we need and when we have questions helping each other out I'll be in there providing answers you'll get access to me with member calls where you can ask direct questions to me and I will be answering in your questions and so this will basically help you step by step through the process of your landscape transformation into a beautiful low maintenance landscape that you can love and you can be proud of and you know the cool thing about this. Membership is is part of the reason why I'm doing this. I want to be more accessible. Sibal two more people so I have you know before this I have offered a premium consultation in my consultations normally ninety nine dollars an hour I get it. That's pretty steep so this membership is a much more affordable price rican. Still get access to me. You still get the support you need and you can. You can transform your your landscape kind of on it like on demand basis and so that's really cool so if you're interested in this enough talking about right now go over to eat a wide dot how how slash membership and you'll find out more info there and also of course we'll have a link in the show notes if you want to check it out all right so the second thing is today's favorite Everett plant. Now it's February right. It's it's February thirteenth so happy pre Valentine's Day in toil you dudes out there if you got a special Lady in your life make sure you know. Even if she says she doesn't care about it she probably does three Audi. It's just just part of life now now Thanks a lot homework Taken away you know spontaneity and adding a sense of obligation to things like this anyway enough with that rant grant but just hint hint you might be nice to do something special special gesture at least say a nice word tomorrow so So with that. There's two reasons I chose this plant today. One is that tomorrow is Valentine's Day and to is that this plant has some beautiful before winter interest and that is the American beauty berry so of course you know Beauty Berry Valentine's Day. I get a bit of a stretch but anyway this is the beauty. Beauty Berry is a a beautiful Bush Especially in the late fall and early winter now. Unfortunately it's really tough to get a lot entrance interest in late late winter. And so I kind of you know. I'm stretching it a little bit here because likely if you grow your the right climate for beauty berry and you grow it. You likely won't don't have the beautiful berries on In February but that all said at least through December Usually you got something in there. So let me talk more about this plant and why I love it and I wish I had it in my landscape. We actually were planning on putting this. We were debating about whether the report this Shrub as a primary focal point or another shrub as the primary focal point in our new front yard garden design and we chose the other one which was a nine bark plant Call Darts Gold was the variety and it was this beautiful Golden chartreuse use foliage plant and we decided that we wanted more interest You know in the summer and it does it still does with its bark. It has some pretty interesting. The the winter But we were considering this beauty berry as well and so the American beauty berry is Calcutta. Americana is the Latin name it grows in. USDA zones six through ten. So we're in southwestern Ohio were really just right on the northern edge of where this plant can grow And it in that area. It's generally a herbaceous plant. meaning that the top will die back to the ground each year and then and re grow from the base of the you know the crown of the plant the roots and Instill it still grows three to six feet tall by three to six feet wide even even if it dies back you'll you'll be on the smaller range of this. So if if you're in a slightly southern region compared to zone six You will likely likely not have diabetic. Every year. You might get occasional dieback But there's a benefit to that. which is that the The berries the beautiful berries that this this plant is known for They grow on new growth. So even if you have one that doesn't die back to the ground it doesn't hurt to kind of cut it back each year to encourage new the growth So cut it back in very late. Winter before growth starts to happen before it buds out Okay this plant prefers moist soils either sand or clay soil So it's kind of widespread there of types of swell but overall it prefers moisture in. Has these beautiful bright lavender pink. Berries Aries in late fall through early winter and So another cool thing is it kind of brings some birds in if they start to discover this plant and they'll munch on those berries and You gives you more interest in your landscape with the with the fauna that you can attract The berries occur like I said on new growth and there are two varieties of the American can beauty berry that I wanNA point out One is the variety lack. Tia Sa- which has white berries that's L. A. C. T. E. A. These is notes are in the show notes so you can check it out if you're interested They have white berries instead of the the lavender. Pink to be honest. I'm not sure why you do this because I think the pink ones are just absolutely absolutely gorgeous Unless for for whatever reason that you know it just doesn't fit in your landscape. The color doesn't match but again this is a late fall through early winter here. So there's very little color and this giant pop of color is just a like such a welcome note to the end of the year And then there's another ride called. Welches is pink and these are more of a bright pink color compared to your lavender pink so if you prefer like the the bright pink compared to the purplish pink You can get at that variety otherwise the spray straight species does pretty well Now there are. I want to caution you or let you know that. There are several varieties of Asian beauty berries out there. And there's only the one species of American natives which is the Calcutta Americana and then there's Several other species species worn is Kelly carpet dichotomy. I can't remember the others off top my head But they have several varieties cultivated varieties as well. They're much more common in the landscape supply. Profession now the reason I don't specifically recommend these because these plants Like a lot other berry producing plants that are not Indigenous to the you know to our United States If you're listening from the United States is that these these can be spread by birds. In and become a naturalized in kind of you know some people call them invasive and so they can start growing in the natural naturalized areas where they might out compete other plants that are important in that area and so for that reason. I don't necessarily recommend those varieties righties although they do have similar beauty to them Very similar plants as far as how they look and that sort of thing They are a little smaller in stature stature. Some of them. So if that's something you're interested in maybe but again I'd be careful with you know How this affects our broader landscape that we need to more and more increasingly Be Aware of as it becomes less and less Available okay so nuff on that. Let's skit into our main topic. Which is my diy landscaping mistakes blunders mess ups whatever you WanNa call them I wanted to just basically spend in today's show to talk about how you know who were all human right. We all make mistakes and I'm certainly willing to admit that when when you you know in the very rare circumstance I make one but I just want to point out that you know a lot of this. DIY landscaping stuff is daunting and and that's because of the fear of making a mistake. Fear of messing something up that can be very expensive very dangerous potentially or you know costly we To damaging to your house or or whatever right so there are risks to it and that said It's if you know you know a few certain principles about things going in. It's it's pretty easy to avoid some of those you know dangerous and costly mistakes and then the other mistakes for more like design type mistakes where it's like okay. Maybe we shouldn't have planted this here. Oh I didn't realize this was going to obscure the view here or whatever you know kind of more stylistic diagnostic things or experiential type things not necessarily like damaging things and that's where most of the mistakes happen. Is this more experiential and design type mistakes and so as long as we can cover you know not making the major mistakes like messing up utilities messing up our foundation Growing something right underneath power lines you know some of those basic things We can avoid the major mistakes and have the confidence to move forward. I guess is what in getting it so I wanted to show you that. I have made mistakes. I'm currently as I was reading these notes. I realize there's things I've actually recommended on this show that I have. I'm not done on our property and I need to do that and so I'm willing to admit that you know I guess a little bit. I'm talking about the two sides of my mouth there and I will make sure I try rectify defy this for one Because it's very important so we'll get into those topics And so I just want to know that even though I am I am. I'm very passionate about landscape design. DIY landscaping. I'm in the thick of it with our home right now of transforming our landscape That but I've still made mistakes. I will continue to make mistakes part of his. Just my you know my nature we. We have a tendency to do certain things that are kind of like blenders or not just not the best way to do things and so. That's where I want to show you today is. It's okay it happens and it's you know it's better to try and do something to to to do. Nothing at all is kind of how I feel and so I wanNA give you the confidence to move forward to make a positive change in your landscape or at least attempt it and you'll likely be surprised the outcome it won't be perfect. Okay I am telling you right now. It will not be the perfect. You will make mistakes and that's okay all right as long as we know it here to those main safety things and that sort of thing. Nobody's going to get hurt. And and maybe the things won't be perfect but most likely you'll be good enough and it will improve your landscape. It will improve the value of your home and it will improve improve pride you have in your landscape overall and that's the key takeaway here okay. So let's jump in and talk about how I've messed things up so the first mistake I've made is actually one that I've recommended here on the show and it is very important and I need to do it. And I've Kinda gotten into some trouble trouble with some of the plants I've selected landscape and that is I haven't done a soil test of our property across our property soil tests are really really helpful. They can tell you a lot without making too many assumptions and it can help you kinda modify your landscape if necessary or more importantly select the right plants to grow in your conditions soil tests. help you understand. You guessed it your soil right so Surprise surprise surprise and it's important to know some certain characteristics of your soil because there's so many differences in the type of material that makes up your soil A lot of the various characteristics so some of the important factors just to name a few. Are Your Ph your organic matter your again it content And the macronutrients nutrients present in your soil also whether or not you have contaminated soil. So you know heavy metal toxicity or something like that Those are all really important. Things really helpful things as you go forward with selecting plants for your landscape or whether you need to modify Your existing space which usually actually prefer the first. I because in the long run if you select hardy plants that grow in your existing conditions. It's much easier than trying to select plants that grow in different conditions in continuing to have to modify the conditions that you already have over time and likely dealing with some issues long-term as you know it doesn't fit into your landscape so I do have an episode about this which is really helpful in its episode. Eleven Kevin Talks about soil in why it matters and basically I'd go into all these different details. Various aspects of soil in really soil is is the foundational basis of our out door landscape. And it's really really important to understand your soil so that way you can select the right eight plants for your space and your soil out front in your yard might differ from the soil in your side yard and new backyard and so it's really important important to understand the topography of your landscape. How it's maybe been affected by development compaction for example and and by solar exposure in Rozhin and and and those sorts of things and so that we can select the right plans for your space and deal with fewer maintenance issues long-term as you select the right plants. That are happy. Happy in the place you put them okay so number one get a soil test. Don't do what I did and not do a soil test Number two. Oh you know what actually a great example of this is. I planted some blueberry bushes out front if you are from southwestern Ohio you know that are are clay Alkaline soil which means it's a high ph does not do well for blueberries. BLUEBERRIES prefer acidic conditions. They generally prefer like sandy or loamy soil or at least a loan Clay and not dense clay with very little topsoil and high hi. Ph they do prefer city And so you know if you think about a lot of these blueberries come from kind of semi mountainous regions like the eastern United States In the Appalachian Mountains those mountainsides acidic And they grow in that kind of loose. Very shallow soils are very hardy plants. But they don't like the soil we have in my area now. I made the blunder where I was like well. We had some pine somew- bushes growing right planted them for At least twenty years and so I figured those those pine needles dropping their consistently had kinda somewhat acidify acidified. The so now as it turns out I let these blueberry bushes struggle in this area before a doug them out with our current redesigned project for a front landscape which is beautiful and I'm super happy with the result. These blueberry bushes hadn't even the roots hadn't even grown out where the original pot location was. I I can still see the like the PD soil of the pot in the center. Where these routes were and then the dense clay around it and the roots have any hadn't hadn't even thought about penetrating that dense clay and so this is just a perfect example of why you need to get a soil test and it really makes a big difference and where I messed up okay? Next next. No survey I've talked about this again. This is the second example of things that I've talked about on the show and recommended. And I realize I haven't done it on our current current property and so a survey is really important just to understand your boundaries. I mean a lot of this goes without saying right. So if you're developing a project object especially that encroaches upon a property line. It's really important to just have that assertive property line marked by an official survey. So you know. Oh where your lines are where your boundaries are. And what's the limit of your development. Basically it's really helpful for these projects it also resolves potential potential neighbor issues. If there's a misunderstanding where that property line is once you have a survey come in and do it. It's very clear where the line is and and likewise if you're doing a construction type project like a shed. It's often important to know the amount of setback from the property line. Or if you have an easement such as like drainage easement or a underground sewer line or an underground cable it's important to know where those are based on or relative gift to the property line and you need to make those measurements appropriately. Okay so get a survey really important. Okay next I made an oversized cise way too ambitious vegetable garden in our kind of back corner. That was another design. Issue is locating. The vegetable garden is really important. The closer you can and located to somewhere you walk every day the more helpful it is because the more likely you will be walking through that without spending too much effort. Think about it. If you're on the couch watching Netflix You know your feet propped up and everything after a long day of work. If your vegetable garden is right outside the window behind hind you buy. You're watching that flex versus way in the back corner of your yard. You're going to tend to the garden right outside the window and positive net flicks way more often and way more likely than you owe the one in the back of the corner of yards so locations important So that was another mistake Now that said where ours is located is where it's located in the other mistake I made with. It is making way too big right so so starting off way too ambitiously. I grew up with my parents having a giant Vegetable Garden which was awesome. We put away tons of canned food each year ear from our garden and enjoyed it the bountiful harvest throughout the winter and into the spring until we can provide fresh food from the garden again and that was pretty awesome. I wanted that in our property and so I made this giant plot that was going to be a garden and then I ran out of time time and so basically what I have is giant weed. Patch that I prefer to call a naturalized area of attracting beneficial Organisms to our landscape but the reality is it was intended to be much more productive than it is now and I just haven't had the capacity to tend to all that space and so what I would recommend is make sure you start small. Start small you can do an awful. That's the other thing I've learned is you can do a ton in a very small space. So the more constrained you make it from the beginning the more creative you'll be the better utilize is your space and the more likely you'll be able to manage it. Intend to properly to get more bountiful produce per square foot okay And so I mean people grow a ton of food in a small four foot by six foot race bed. People crew a lot of food each year just a small plot like that so think of what what you can do with a small space and as you become more successful and know that you can establish a good healthy habit which is really important. Then you can expand hand and start to slowly expand from there. Okay so if you WANNA learn anything else about that. I haven't episode episode thirty. One talks talks about front yard vegetables so these are vegetables. That are attractive. That are so nice. They can actually integrate them into your current garden. Bed right out front where you walk by then every single day and take care of them as needed so check. That out are a mistake. Number three or number four is buying clearance prince plants. Now this can be an okay thing if you do it the right way but let's face it if you're one of those clearance people that loves to get a good deal a lot of times. You're not thinking design wise whereas this plant going to go. Did I planned it out properly or just really excited that this is a great deal and I'm GonNa get this plant and and figure out where I put it later all right. This is something I've done many times probably due again and I did it this year. I did did it last year. And even though I like to consider myself a designer I just especially. If they're plants I love. I have a hard time passing up. I mean lows rose had a bunch of for example. I'm really big into grass's right now. Native grasses they had a bunch of blue stem and switch grass on clearance for a dollar pot. Thought it was like. Oh gotTa have these and I haven't quite figured out where they're going to go at our landscape yet And so right now. They're sitting kind of in a holding location. Still Fill in the POT Luckily I didn't invest too much money in them and they should do well surviving the winter. That all said it's really important when you're selecting acting plants to plan for them. I plan where you going to design them in and and what you need in that space both from a planting needs so again going back to your soil types your solar exposure your water requirements What waters available there our That sort of stuff. It's really important to understand all of that. Plus from a design standpoint the the size stature structure our growth habit of these plants Color all of those things are very important to figure out first before you go ahead and make any purchases regis's so it's much better to do a full on design I or you know a most of a design I understand pretty specifically what you need in that space and then go select plant. So that's why buying clearance. Plants is generally not a good thing Instead unless of course they're plants you specifically specifically are looking for in your landscape already if that's the case maybe it's a great deal otherwise you're you're probably going to end up with a lot of random plantings which creates eight some design in maintenance issues long term. So so I have I have to Plants I've planted out front to shrubs and one is a dogwood. Would another is a service berry so they're kinda shrubs slash small small trees. They're both planted independently as a solo planting. which is from An aesthetic point of view. Not The best thing to do and also from a maintenance point of view. They're kind of a hassle because basically as I'm mowing the lawn that goes right up to the edge of each of these plants after Mo a circle around each one and go around it as mowing. And just the more you do that. The more you know the more irregular you're moving has to become and the more work it becomes. It sounds small but as you do it Repeatedly it it really adds up and so it's not worth it. Okay okay so you end up with random plants that cause maintenance and design Issues a you you deal with unplanned locations for these plants as I mentioned already and also the thing I haven't mentioned yet about clearance fences. Sometimes a lot of times they could be damaged or diseased. Either there's just from lack of care at the end of the season or they got put on clearance because somebody sprayed them with too much fertilizer direct the end the foliage Or you know. They're diseased seized having issues or something so That's just the reality. All right next point planting without design we already kind of talked about this with the buying the clearance transplants. But you end up with hodgepodge plantings there kind of random plantings which causey maintenance issues also causes. You design coherence issues so really important now. That's all I'm going to say about this for now except for go over to episode forty three if you have issues of just throw slapping implants. Hey again I'm confessing to my own mistakes here so it's okay right I've done this many times and so this isn't something I'm pointing fingers anywhere but myself right now so but if you also have this tendency checkout episode forty-three which is how to design your yard hard like a pro so that'll have some awesome tips to help you figure out how to design your yard like a pro okay all right next one demolition demolition of stuff without a replacement plan. Okay so what I mean here is if you tend to rip things out because they're frustrating you I talked with a client back where they had just this overgrown fence and they wanted to rip everything out and it's like okay. You can do that however you've got to figure out what going to replace it with and replace it with something that will out compete things from growing back in that same space causing the same exact issue. You currently have likewise. Likewise I've done this. I just did this in our front yard when we moved in because I was so frustrated we had these giant overgrown you bushes that Talked about already in this episode in many other episodes. I really didn't like these you bushes. Obviously if you don't WanNa you Bush as it's also known as taxes It's like Evergreen Bush that you see pretty much in front of every house in the nineteen fifties They're you know trimmed into these block forms and and stuff And they're just kind of all all admit they kind of look hideous to me and just not fun so we had these overgrown bushes all across the front of our house else. I didn't like him so of course I ripped them out but the problem was. I didn't really have a plan for what to do next. I didn't have have the time the resources to really go in there and do the work to replace stuff until this past year so that was like four years ago. I rip these things out so we had four years of basically just an empty dirt weed bed and it was horrible horrible to look at. In retrospect it was actually probably probably better gasp. I don't know I can't I can't believe I'm actually saying this but it was actually probably better to leave those uber. She's in place just because they would have prevented tons of wheat issues that we ended up having their the they wouldn't have been replaced by scrawny little blueberry bushes that did nothing and they would have just At least filled in the space right. So it's better to have something. That's they're filling the space than to create a void a vacuum that's going to create an ongoing maintenance. It's issue instead okay so that's really important Next bit Let's see this is my last one one so we have one two three four five six. This is number seven so I had six blunders. I've talked man. I make a lot of mistakes. All right Next thing assuming things will not change around us. This is a big one because we all fall into this trap somewhat. I think you know changes tough for people right especially especially when it's not something you're doing you're not instigating the change then. It can be difficult to a lot of time and this is really what I'm talking about here is is we are bordered by. Let's see one two we're boarded by four properties on our property line and I guess four in like a tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny little sliver of V one and of those five properties that adjoin us. We have influence over zero of those properties. Okay and that's the reality. Yeah you might sale all you can influence it through your Hoa. You're zoning code or whatever yes you could is generally not a fun thing to do. I'll just let you know that out front But also really you don't control what those people do with their property. It's their property just like we don't want people controlling what we do on our own property right. If you want to change the color of your mailbox you want to change the color of your mailbox right. If you WANNA cut your grass you wanna cut your grass. If you WANNA plant plant a tree you WANNA plant you get my drift right. And so we can't control what people do with other properties and so what happened with us as we moved into this. This rundown house needed tons and tons of repair inside out landscape house structure And one of the things we he loved about it was out our back yard. We boarded up against a farm. It was the last one of the last remaining farms in our subdivision. And you you probably guess where this is or not subdivision in our township and you probably guess where this is going and so this beautiful farm used to be a horse farm actually and when we moved in. We're actually a few horses there every once you peep out and see the horses Kinda grazing through beautiful farmhouse white farmhouse up on the hill. A little pond up there so so quaint. Such a quaint view. And there's this beautiful I mean it was filled with you know honeysuckle. which isn't it a so-called invasive around us but it was still a a beautiful buffer strip in between the farm and us that just gave us a nice gap feeling of privacy With a beautiful view at the same in time and so that was awesome until a year and a half after we moved in. It was decided that they were going to develop that space. Surprise right okay. We live in the sprawling suburbs. There's a farm. It's not really being used anymore. Of course it's going to get sold for millions of dollars and get developed into now. Now we stare out at these mega homes behind us. That sold for massive amounts of money are squished together on tiny little plots smaller plot than our our property so instead of having this quaint farm behind us we now stare at the backs of these megalithic homes and and so the reality is is that we can't control that. We kind of knew that this was going to happen eventually. We just didn't expect it to happen right away. And assuming do things like this. Having certain expectations can lead to unnecessary disappointment and instead embracing the reality that we don't control that space and it may change you know we may get different neighbors that we don't enjoy what they do with their property or The property may get developed or there might be a home that gets demolished in in you know oh becomes a a a new construction whatever. We can't really influence that. Instead we should focus on influencing our own property and that can really add to I guess increase a lot of the peace in contentment. You have in your life with your property and as things change. If you don't don't like it you try and adapt to it as best you can instead of being upset about the change. That's happening that you can't control okay. This is actually. I mean I have to give myself this lesson right again. I'm talking about my mistakes. I'm not lecturing here and in likewise we we tell this to our five year old. WHO's dealing with this? A lot right now is dealing with things outside of his own control he has really worked up about and we all do right. We all tend to do this and so it's a we need that constant reminder that whether or not were upset about this this change is going to happen and so so we can choose how we react to it and we can react to it. Negatively and let it affect us very negatively or we can try and adapt to it if figure out just how how to make the best of the situation and so I guess that's kind of the message. I'm trying to give here now. I actually recorded again. Another episode on this episode fifteen. I talk about living with neighbors and how to really try and set up the best relationship possible. Sometimes it just doesn't work out and that's the reality. Unfortunately but most of the time we can make it work. It's not always going to be roses. You know beautiful miss or whatever but we can try and make it work. It takes some effort sometimes and so. I have a lot of tips there and how to trying to enhance and set up the best situation to to live with your neighbors in a way that you can be mutually happy if not you know cordial okay. That's pretty much a rap for today and really again to kind of come full circle with what I talked about at the beginning of the show my intent. Here's to give you the confidence to move afford and make a positive change in your landscape and that sometimes mistakes happen and if you want to help with you know kind of becoming more confident in doing some of this stuff stuff. Check out the easy living yards membership going over to E. Y.. Dot how slash membership now from the membership. Let's also talk about some of the links we talked about in today's show. You can check out the show notes and there's a link there to today's plant the American beauty berry if you're interested in checking that out also so links to the Previous episodes I talked about all about healthy soil. How to design your yard like a pro front yard vegetables and living with neighbors all right right? I also have a link to my all of my free resources so if you WANNA expert guide the ultimate diy mailbox installation guy to have that in in that link on my free list. I also have links to awesome plant guards if you just need help. Selecting some low maintenance plants I have I have a link or in their on finding your passion which houses that have anything to do with landscaping right. Well helping US find. Our passion helps us give direction and and directs us to prevent doing needless tasks in our landscape and spending you know working to improve our landscape to become beautiful and low maintenance so then we can spend more time on what we're passionate about and what really is meaningful in our lives. So that's really important to me. And so that's why have awesome free resource there. So if you WANNA check out these free resources They're free downloads. You just go over there and check them out And others like it also I. I have a rain calculator. If you want to figure out if you're put in a rain garden or need to know how much drain drainage comes off your roof if you put in a new rain tanks ring containers or whatever check that out. I have tons of resources over there. Go check him out. Also if you have any questions you can just drop a link or drop on over to E. A. Y.. Dot how slash pod. I the Lincoln Shona Donuts of course to ask a question and right at the top of the page there. There's a button that says ask a question you can get in touch with me. I'll help you out all right guys. I have enjoyed this episode and these this self deprecating Expose of my mistakes and I hope you've enjoyed it too. I hope it helps you feel more comfortable we'll and confident in your own. DIY landscaping in realizing that. It's okay to make. Mistakes is better. Try and make mistakes than to do nothing at all all right. There's Nah Nah self-deprecation rate. So I'm I'm willing to share my mistakes with you guys. It's really it is You know a lot of what I do. I kind of liked to just experiment with things. It's just my my nature to mess around with things experiment. Things dive in headfirst. Sometimes I usually try and do the best research I can but sometimes you know inevitably without tons of experience variance sometimes or just inevitably whole we mess up right so as I try new things or whatever You know mistakes happen and so likewise I wanNa make sure that you feel comfortable that you can just go forward take action and be able to make a few mistakes yourself right. Action in progress is better than inaction. That's what I believe at least so so go on out there. Make a few mistakes yourself make you know. Try Your best to make a positive change in your landscape in your life right. We're trying and also make a beautiful healthy habitat healthy space for for other creatures around two good pollinator gardens good bird gardens right. Wildlife Habitat you know whether you have a tenth of acre or one hundred acres every little bit helps right now. We've developed so much of this land right that that Making a few mistakes with a good intent is better than trying to do nothing at all so go out there. Make some mistakes going over check out the show notes all the links for today's episode easy living in yards dot com slash episode ninety eight. That's right guys episode. Ninety eight easy living yards dot com slash episode. Ninety eight there. You'll find links today show notes. It's also check out. There's a free download if you WANNA GET INFO on super easy plants for your yard. Works almost anywhere in the United States. If that doesn't work for you you let me know all right Almost anywhere in the US. These plants will work so gone over. Check it out. Get some success for the plant in the ground get started today all right guys. Thanks for tuning in. Make sure you live with passion and make tomorrow better than today

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Best Friends with Nicole Byer and Sasheer Zamata

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Sasheer Doesn't Have Anyone in Her Life That She Terrorizes

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Do know at target michelle obama's number one bestseller book coming is now in paperback and in a new adapted addition for young readers in these books and in our lives becoming as always journey hours stressed beginning. All additions of book coming are available. Wherever books are sold. Thank you. These are me middle boy. Well here's another absurd best friends. This year's incompetent potential data. Say that again if i tried. Incapacitated is what. I was trying. Whatever fall out of my mouth was pretty. Wild does okay. How are you this fine evening. We never recorded nighttime. Here we are here we are. Yeah go home from work I got to work at five thirty this morning. Actually a little later than five thirty. I think it there on time So damn early. It's i'm always. I'm the only person who likes to split day. I love rolling in at noon o'clock and leaving it two. Am give it to me. i'm what am i doing. I'm booked out for the day life. Yeah i think. I'd rather have a late night than eight early early morning. Getting out early as nice to For what you're talking out. What are you. I go to sleep early early. Dang early me splits. I love them but then like crew members always put view of splits. Soon window you see your family. And i'm like i don't know i didn't make the choice to get into this career though. Know sometimes you can't have it all okay. You got to choose. Choose one or the other. Yeah choose hollywood or having a family Would you choose okay. Say i'm a devil man. Her you have to choose. Oh eric debut of juice with you do do want to be in hollywood or family and when you say family do you mean like all my family members or my kids a partner and children. Oh damn so. I choose high. Would i wouldn't have a partner. Either by e i guess i would. I don't have. I guess i would choose. Fuck i don't know i stumped you with questions dump me i mean. Honestly it's now a struggle with the partner part. Because at first i was like i don't have kids i'll be in hollywood but now i'm lying. Oh well wait a minute. I do like These are the tough choices the the devil would make you make. That's that is a devilish choice. Demos the rules. Kimmy what would you choose Working in hollywood podcast world or having a partner. I would choose partner. Well no thought. Wow okay i feel shit okay. It was easy all right twice about that. This is a hard one to answer. Because i've wanted to work in industry for so long and i have like been like career career career and now as i got older like oh i wish i could share this life with a partner. One second to happen a vicious cycle. Well i'm giving you the choice right now. It's gonna happen or never and we wanted to happen to give up everything you've ever worked for this terrible. Would you read question. What is it tyler. Perry movie oh boy just watched the we're covering newcomers. Oh yeah the fund joke. I can't remember who originally said it. But i think was john bray lock called it the original. Mcu the medina's act in the movie intertwine. I watched diary of a mad black woman. Wow wow one you gotta sit. I have thought theaters. i watch now Do i think i saw. I don't know. I don't know how but i must have seen an unedited version of the movie. I was seeing boom mics. I was fully seeing like sound people in reflections of it was like nuts and i was like they put this out and i was like like just spitting vitriol to everyone. I knew i can't believe they would put ears and you were like. I didn't see that so i don't think so funny. I didn't clock it. I wonder if you did see like i wouldn't must've. I wonder if star wars talavera went back in and stow back. Yes and then it out but i heard no other comment on this so i think we got a weird cut at the theater and that's very well. The movie was made for five million dollars. That's a rather small budget. So maybe maybe they were just like we should happen. We gotta move. We gotta keep going the boom booms and the shot whatever we got whatever. He's part of the family okay. Maybe there's another part of why she's mad all right the boom to be out and boom in. Also actor's name yes. His cornrows are nuts. it is a wild wig. His wearing for no reason because he's so hot just yet himself. It was very strange. They were just like like this plaster to as he did really weird helmet. That was sculpted in gently placed on his head. It's very very strange. Majia is funny. I didn't really funny. She was very very funny. Oh boy i had a good time watching. I am so full. I know i just really hard. Switch subjects shoveled food into my mouth. Oh yeah asking you said gumy's you're no well. I made a purple carrot. Pre made meal slopped two of them together. Because i haven't eaten today because i was doing. Stop working. okay. Yeah i she was sleeping and then she was working Okay okay and my desert was Welches a fruit snacks as for. You can walk through saks man and they're so good And these ones. I got are apple orchard. Medley come on. Let's he's like apples. Can you even from the orchard from the orchard baby. Why flavored comey's can you. I don't have none are alma stomach. They're shaped like little apple slices key. Welsh's did okay. Wow i think of everything they really do. And i people don't like the great ones but they sell bags at just the great ones. I went nuts and buffy. Big oil backs so i always had me some great points. Oh wait yes listen. I'm still inside and get excited for things you know and other people are out living their lives. I've gotten texts from friends in different states. Where they're like bully vaccinated living again. And i'm like cool. How did you get it so quick. You're like well it's out there. It is she's out there. You can wait at a pharmacy lows and ask you can have some. Yeah like a little scrap a little dog. Take the cigarette house out. Yeah i mean yeah it. I don't care how anyone gets the vaccine as long like the fast radio to hurt immunity. The better everyone vaccines. I don't care what you do to get it. Well don't say that. Because there's some fluid white friends driving their audis to impoverished neighborhoods and camping out so like when people get off work to lake camp out. They can't do that because all the fluent whites are there. So that's the one that i'm not. Yeah don't do that yet but any other any other way you kill someone for it off for it and you got for it. Imagine doctors are like. Will you do for this vaccine. wait that can. That can be a possibility. Yeah i don't know. I feel like it's like pretty out in the open. I don't know i don't even know how you get the vaccine. I assume it's outside under a tent. I don't know why. I'm assuming this. I i i actually don't know i thought it was maybe inside but no i figured it'd be outside because insides where the virus thrives she says me close base we jordan as well i was gonna say because i have friends East coast over an la. I know that l. a. like you can do like the i don't. I don't know the situation dodger stadium right now but you could drive through and they can pulled on your window. Get the shot. Be on your merry way but then in massachusetts foxborough where the patriots play it. They were doing so good because the kraft family owns the stadium. But like you could go into the stadium. Get your vaccine back. Apparently massachusetts to really good with vaccines. So yes there. There are restaurants open. And i was like what world is this. I mean it will be weird to get back to normal stuff. There's some people who left normal stuff. And oh my god i know yeah i was actually at the park over the weekend and there was like i was the group we all social distance still and there was a group that was nearby every people were piled on top of each other like everyone was so close to each other not asking site too many dogs and what are the. The dogs was a minute. And it keep running around the other people's blankets and eating their food fully put his head in one of the chip bags that we had a game and then went to another blanket. And like ap salami or something like that dog is corona okay like that is corona personified coming to get you and then the owner was just like way to chill just like trotting along like. Hey hey don't do that. And then we'll like bring the dog back to the group. And i was like put that dog on a leash. I e mean yes. If a dog is eating someone else's food motel times. No that's wrong. The only people are the only animal that's allowed to do. That is a seagull beach bird. Because that's that's what they do that they know no better. No one trained us eagle to not that. What does that actually know better. They call them. Beach burns beach ducks. Oh that's what. I call them. A beach duck. It's hard to remember ducks. We wash the siegel. a few. segel's tariffs people's food at the beach and didn't do a thing. We laughed so hard. That's their fault. they like. I left i so long to the point where i was like. Are they ever coming back and there. They just had open chip bags open. Sammy's yup. And those who segel's tore it apart and like last such a good time but we weren't the only people who like another group of people laughing too. It really brought the beach together. It really did. And that's what we're here for each together only got to share it. Guess what i bought gas. You've three guesses you'll never get it. Guess shoes no one a wig. Yes oh i would never get. I guess that is pretty on brand for me. I bought a berated wig with who. That's fine. That's why i'm so. Oh my god let me show it to you is everyone was things like i want to see. Never see it. Sure your posts a picture of a sometime. I know they'll never see. I don't know. I got a secret wig. It'll be. yeah it's going to be my own secret wig in my own seek wouldn't what am i thinking and my own little corner and my own land alternate singing. Yes we not by ono's just sitting in your car you buy. You're right this is upsetting to excite. You like this is nuts. I thought i bought double check emails by two unless you just. I just checked the cart and it was not checked out. I can't believe i did this. Oh i i haven't bought it yet but drew idea and fun. Okay okay this is. The picture is very ninety. yes i like. that's fine. My wig now is very remm. Rimas reminiscent yup. Say to me remember. I'm having trouble tonight. Hey it's okay. Reminiscent of marisa. Tomei in my cousin. Vinny the movie they watched and you didn't like it. Yeah ca- believe it. What is too much. It was a lot. Was this this podcast. I was talking about. Eddie yes it's not streaming anywhere. My gosh not on not on amazon. Not on youtube. Not on hulu not anywhere. Not disney bruce no wear not new flicks know where maybe the new york knicks. Don't want to see it because they don't want you to think that that's what they need to get better. We own higher black team. Maybe but then. I bought it. I bought it on dvd. I tracked it down to watch it. A dvd player dvd player and be h player. Came with thirty seven each. dvd players and speakers. Do you need speaker speaker in that credential. That big nasty critical that was in my house. It was filled with dvd's or not dvd players and vhs players filled to the brim. You couldn't stuff and other women their age. Hsp winder what is that. no now. i'm not that opulent no. No secret to ovulate. Puff it out and put in an another machine to rewind it that we rich. I don't think you'll do raid you. Did you have money to throw down to us. I feel like it was like a common thing like. I only saw friends homes. I what. I actually don't even think i had aware of them well. I grew up in a house where i was going through old pictures the other day and i fully forgot that our old giant tv that was like in a wooden thing it was like old tv from like the seventy s broke so instead of buying a new tv. That's is my dad has put a ten inch. Tv on top of it for years on top of it a little gb on top of this big tv until my mother was like no more no more about tv now. My sister my sister says tv. Ten inch tiny tv. I saw her last weekend or whatever and walked into her apartment. And i said no. You can't still have this so then i. Tv's are cheap. I sent her tv good hurt team. Usa cavender so through that her chief was like jeep. You should buy one. And i knew she wasn't gonna buy one because i knew she was going to inspect how cheap they were. Because atv's are cheap and some people who don't know they don't know they're knocking look like i can't imagine it's a million dollars. It's not not even. They're not a hundred dollars hundred dollars. I sent it to her. And then i sent her lamps i but then i caused her. You don't really like send somebody something and then they're like now. I have to deal with this thing that has been sent to me so i got her lamps or like floor lamps but you've to put them together so halter well. She's putting together we all and then she showed it to me and i was like these boxes. Get off the tv's. I was trying to be helpful. But i sent her into such her nice start at watering and she was like rather go to really funny because domino effect of stress. And i didn't tell her when i was sending which is also terrible. Let me tell you about the american girl doll. I sent her no talking about american a newcomer. Warren and i was like. Oh yeah i cut off. All at catherine's molly doll's hair and she was so upset about it. And i would just do things to all her dolls. Meisters a person who is like dolls were meant to be looked at in slightly played with but honestly they need their arrest. And i was like they all need it. Truly the moment. And i cut up all her molly doll's hair and she was like why would you do. This and i was like i didn't do that. She's like yes you did night and she was like you're holding the scissors. Okay but so. I bought her molly doll that i found on ebay complete with the original. Close that catherine. Had so i sent it to her house forgetting that it wouldn't have anything with me reference to know it just had the woman's return address and then her address and she opened this box that she didn't know who it was from a doll was staring at her so she took care high. She texted me. She was like nicole. Someone sent me a doll and i don't. I don't know who who did this. I don't know who knows that. I even liked a malaita. Someone knows things about me. All i wrote was not our let it. Just sit and i call me. Sorry i'll listen. I love keeping her on her toes. Truly lers zipper an hour wondering who has her address. What's break is this one time christopher cutter birthday so he sent her those giant mrs fields cookies and i think it said sorry. Sorry i missed your birthday bitch. So i sent her six of them or ten. I don't remember it was in between six and ten. So when it all got delivered she then had to carry it up to her apartment and then also she doesn't know what order they're in no so she had to figure it out. He took a picture of to me. And then a cake in the shape of a cupcake and it was bigger than her head and then she requested that i send her anymore for good so then for the next four years only center giant food. This lowers and i put in the special notes. I was like. Can you please write that. They're delivered from our parents name just a speaker a little bit. Because they're dented and it's fine. Imagine any time during the year. Your sister's going to try to scare you. You don't know what's going to happen because she's forgetful service on your thing people days leaving esther your terrorizing and loves me. You don't have anyone in your life. You terrorize really. No no one person. I i really don't think so. Maybe it's unique to me. i mean no one else. I talked to describes this behaviour. I like things to people. Yeah that's great. yeah. I guess it is weird once. They went to my friend justice house. Because i had earrings for her and it was with marcy and we were like. Let's ding dong ditch. So we bring her doorbell then ran away back to. My car was dark and marcy didn't see this car in front of her and so she ran into the car at the curb. And i don't know if. I've laughed harder just i was ding dong your houses. No sorry she's had no idea what was happening. 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They could always how many it's a gallon. Oh my god that's a lot of water is how much. What are you supposed to drink every day. Does anyone know you should do to those. That should be a gallon. It depends on where you live much. It depends on a lot of different factors. I yeah it it just kinda depends follow your gut and it also depends on your body weight A lot so 'cause you know my weight is a lot. I was no no. Oh i was not coming to you. Georgia leila can only been meaning to talk to you. There's a lot of water water. Because i'm worried like some people be like eight glasses nuclear like a gallon and we are like drink whenever you're thirsty dream. Whatever you're thirsty. You can't do that to me. i'll never get thirsty. yes true. I don't dry out and be like why the headache In the november to drink and then pay for the rest of the night yet which is awful. We let me tell you how much i'm at now acura. I'm not fifty. So i really haven't drink that much but you give me a low income. It the mayo clinic. Says the average woman should have eleven point five cops which is ninety two ounces nicole at one and a half of those but again like someone who lives in the tropics versus someone who lives in a desert. The desert person needs more water. Naturally if you live in a humid environment need less so like is that people gain weight. Because you're not filled with water so you feel with food just solve obesity. They do stay sometimes. You eat when you're thirsty. You're just the signals get mixed so they encourage you. If you know you've had enough food to have water but like not i. I don't know the that. Could st plotter were having tackles last tacos more. There's the oddest campaign going. Got milk campaign. big milk. Want us to drink more milk. They're trying to sell it. Make money lake. Has there been milk campaign soon. I feel it still exists. I mean i don't know for sure looking at mag really. Who's posing with milk mustaches. Still i'm sure samling. Thank you saw someone. Maybe maybe i don't think so. I think it's passe. Say twenty twenty. August twenty twenty the got milk. Ads are back. They're not like the ones you've remember. Tiktokers porn milks smell and sour yes attacking. Hey have you seen the tiktok videos where people are trying to make content people refusing to participate. Oh yeah i love that. They make me laugh so hard. Your don't be part of your content. There was someone singing at the drive thru of starbucks or something and they're like thank you mastaba who got close the window. No i will not be part of your stupid video because yeah what are you doing. We already don't get enough interaction. This is the interaction. This person getting today. Did you see the brawl in a bath and body works. Oh my god yeah. I can't wait to step in a bath and body works. I can't wait to support those plays. I heard a great time watching best advertisement. I've ever seen you better believe. I ordered more than little mini. Hinson smell like watermelon and dreams made me laugh so it was really funny pin. I couldn't believe it only our all these adults doing this I don't i'm worried about humanity. It seems like everyone is acting very poorly event. Everyone's just like quick to fight as opposed to just like walking away. You know that that video took us on a chain of videos like that and so then like there was the mcdonald's video where a girl lake got a tray and smashed in employees face was wiser size phone and she she pounded the shit out of his girls space through her across a booth and the girl entertainers were out and that the smaller girl still got back up like that that that that was still trying to like fight and i was like grow we. You had me on that one. I haven't seen that with good. Have you seen the one where it's outside the restaurant and this man lifts the woman up and then just like drops on the ground. She hard to find that one but everybody brolin. I mean things happen somewhere where. I'm not happy sometimes all mouth off a little bit but for the most part i leave. I don't want to get in a fight right no. I'm not here to fight no learning. I'm enjoy montana. Okay don't i feel loopy today. Yeah there's a lot. No i also think my medicines weren't off also i haven't som- neon now owned by lay awake and stare at my ceiling until like four a m like yesterday. I made a point to not be on my phone. And i covered my eyes. I tried everything. I could not sleep the night before my cramps were so bad. I couldn't falsely then. They woke me up a heating pad some old lady. Okay let's this quiz okay. Okay let's see did did it today. Maybe prepare an outfit and we will tell you kind of people you hate. Yes yes tell me. Tell me hated shirt. Pickety shirt okay. Salima shirt a shirt that says more. Feminism was bullshit. Sure this is twin peaks and its hands holding a log. Ooh and then we got everybody. Say hey hey it's a special kind day we're learn to work and play and gets along with each of how do i do. You know likes contemporary songs. But you know the you know all the words. Are these things i'm rested. Oh my god. I love arthur. I guess by i guess i mean. I loved arthur. Growing up they were just so funny. Yeah they were. They were also like vicious to each other. Yeah they really ariston each other and it lasts for darya. Manon and the you know i didn't grow up with cable so i never watch doria. I love doria. oh boy. I'm really conflicted. Is that a word. Can use conflicted young conflicted. I me. I think it's any views. Two things confused. I'm gonna pickle with my decision i love. Selena are which one would you wear. I mean after we get off this zoom. Call him going to google arthur t shirt. So it gets. I'll pick arthur. Yeah and i'll pick daria now. I mean to wear below the waist. Sam adidas track pants pants with the holes These look like a teal slack. This is a pencil skirt. With a ruffle and i think it's like some sort of gingham or like checkered. This is an elaine. Like fun slowly flower skirt. These are cut off shorts dude. I wished the floral skirt were palazzo pants. Because those would be the ones choose. But they're not so. I'm going to choose these like greenish slacks on top. I guess i'll do the same yet. None of these bottoms are for me. Yeah i don't really wear jeans holes in them. I wear jeans. But i wear mom jeans. That people don't like yeah. I love my mom jeans with my little elastic away. Span and weird poc. I love them. They're one comfortable too. I think they look cool. The yes i think they look cool to people. Think so. okay. Thank you okay. Let's go shoes doc. Martens these are like strappy sandals that i find deeply uncomfortable these are ten issues. They're black on the bottom. These called chelsea boots but like buckles on them. These are red flags that have the string ties around your ankle and that leads the like colorful balls on the string We got some. Hi top chuck taylors. That's what i'm picking. I think i'm gonna doc martens okay. I've ever seen him. Doc martin's but it doesn't sturdy shoe and it looks like the sturdiest. Excuse i love us dirty shoot flats look to flat. Art support okay. Did you ever participate in the ballet flat era yes. What did we do that ourselves. Oh my gosh. But if you're in pain all the time just like these flat fucking no support shoes truly. We're like sometimes he'll flop out of them. They weren't even cute. Yeah tory burch did that to us. I think she came out with the ballet flat and everyone was like yeah them and never forgive her story. What were you doing to that. So yeah i used to wear these. They were like nude color for white people. I like the color against my skin. They were from payless. One thousand nine hundred ninety nine. So i wear them out and then get a new pair for my dog every couple of months. Those are like my shoot. Do you remember me wearing them. I actually yeah. I wore them for like that either. My shoe shoe more than with leggings a skirt. Yup i actually Went to call back to tyler. Perry i went to one of his final live medina shows in atlanta. I told you about it. I was crying tried. I had it was awesome. It was like i was like. Oh i get it now. This genius a gospel choir. It was a it was a church like revival. it was a musical. It was a comedy it was it was spending so many emotions also had commercials and and live commercials. No like video and there was wine where it was medina lake. Walking out slow it was pretty funny and and like whipped her wig around and it was like i don't need these heels anymore and like pulled flats out of her purse and it was like i can't remember was there was a cute name for her but it was just like purse flats or something that we're actually being sold at the show so you can buy that. I think we're like ballet shoes. You didn't i. Didn't it didn't get i. Just like the ballets you're describing. I don't need shoes. That are not gonna give me support any sport. You're right but i'm thinking. If i because i was twenty twenty one way twenty twenty. Yes to one so big like confused about the year. This was the euro's supposed to wear more heels. Well well maybe well we will have were able to go outside. No i just looked at my angle i. I tried to put on a hill yesterday and my ankle was like you stupid bitch. Where's the boot they'll get that medical boom plus that back on. yeah. I can't wear it so i'm like not throwing all my heels but i'm like giving away a good amount because i bought so many. I can't bear to look at them anymore. Well i know like thinking that there is some use in like a sitting hill where you go. To an event he bring the hills or like or life for a press thing heels on sit. Yes do the thing. Take the hills off to different is on the way the first west. so what. What is your second shoe anything you want. But if you're doing that you're filming or you take a picture or whatever it's an event you're sitting for put the he'll on when you sit in blue whatever the fuck alcyone on when you walk in a way that works but i do just want to wear eight. I wore heels in high school and then stopped wearing hills. I get back to that guy. I just wanna get back into heels. I got conscious because i'm like five. Well how taller you. Because i think you lie. Excuse me i'll say it again. I think you lie about your height. Are you kidding me. I'm the most serious. I've been all day. Wow wow you think what. I'm saying that i'm taller than i. Actually am no or shorter that. I think you're saying you're shorter than you actually are. Why would i do that. Why would i lessen my shy reese. i don't now my what i think. That's what you're doing because how tall do you say you are five seven. Yeah i think you're fucking eight. I think you are five fucking eight. Because i'm five seven and i'm shorter than you. Guess what was actually five six. And a half notre dame ruth now your truth hannah yes i do i i can finally tell you. Go get you this right here. Now all right hold on right there. She's lying you guys. She's not five seven. She can't be unless i'm short. Am i short. I'm five six. Have i been all right. measure yourself. so he's actually playing video games. he can't help me. We have to do. I think we talked about this before. Not this indepth at least hard to put your hand on your head and then like make your hand touch the numbers because i have light hair elevating my hands a china making you even taller so at this point you're probably five ten okay might be keeps hitting sixty six with think i think means i'm six my god five zero five six but i thought i was license and a half wave dragon then my five five this. I've lost three inches today way. Measure myself wait ruler too. Aren't you supposed to thing where i feel like usually get a ruler to where it's like in the middle of your head in the middle i feel like the middle of my head's taller than my forehead. Does that make sense. By the way me looked up on google how tall both of you are ten. Google says you're five seven. I trust google. You know what you by four hundred. He's behind at the end of the day. You're shorter than the beginning of the day. Agassi you're talking about what's at the end of the day because you've been standing in walking your spine compresses a tiny bit because of gravity so after you sleep when you measure yourself as the tallest you're going to be because you're stretched out more. It's not a huge difference. But it's a little bit. This is this witchcraft. What does this source or you speak of we. Are you kidding me. So a five seven nine. I mean that seems a little. I'm really upset myself again when we're done because they can't be that small i know i'm not but i also i was trying to get the middle of my head because i feel like i remember when when i would get measured by someone they would put a little metal thing on the top of my head. Not the my. What i was doing was trying to my forehead i to try to the top of my head. I think it was five seven. But it's hard to do it yourself. It is hard to yourself. I'm really sorry. I made you do it but you seem closer to what your height is. I don't think you're five. Four five for either no although maybe shrink a lot today i just really shrink today and imagine. Every day i wake up five seven and by the end of the shrink down five. Were i mean. My sister did seem a little taller when i saw her last. Were no it can't be it can't be and then we stretch back out when we sleep. That's why why does that happen happen. They're a squishy bits in between all your spine all the bones. There's little squishy bits. So they don't hit each other and those slowly get squished down during the day not much. We're not talking five seven two five four. We're like teeny tv bits because of gravity because gravity. And you're pushing on it. That's why stretching at night feel so good is everything's a little more compressed and that's why feel a looser in the morning because it's all not had pressure on it in the same way but i feel stiffen the morning. What's that maybe you don't have the right bed. Maybe you're squishy bits. Squishy devlin disease. What did you know now. You don't have line disease. No is that when you get bitten by the ticks that yes. I don't know any other way to get lime disease. The most common cause of morning stiffness is worn joints or muscle tightness duh. But what's causing that. What this that is mistaken for. Joint pain sometimes. It is also an indicator of inflammation arthritis. The gabar threat. I don't think you do either. You're too young youthful. We'll get when they're young. Just kidding i don't know anything. This one here is just saying that during the day new move like although like lick like there's like liquid fluid flowing in your joints and so when you don't do that stops in that leads you to being stiff. It's at trying to warm up again like car. Rea- let it run for a little bit in the cold weather it's different. I don't know i should. We take that quiz. Oh yeah okay. Yeah almost there. You just need accessory a big little eerie a baseball hat. This is i don't need you. I have internet sunglasses. That are big and black. Cool sleek watch. That's black matte dainty jewelry necklace dainty necklaces. Turn it was it. Tortoiseshell round sunglasses them big blackie's openly some of your slave auction. Those big blackie in giving a well. It's not every day someone brings up a slave auction every conversation. Someone's like him. Sometimes they do you know. Sometimes they do and gonna pay the dainty jewelry me dana love dainty juries. And finally where do you all your stuff. A big black backpack a medium square purse with studs. Pearls a small cross body purse with like a cat face on it. A messenger bag with the flap. A pretty big purse like pink and has got a little hand. Strap thing or the cross body option and it's too low. This was like a wicker wicker. One with pompoms okay. I'm gonna pick the with pompoms. I'm gonna peak our pick the backpack if it was smaller. I've been digging small backpack lately but just like like scholastic back. Yes definitely a school backpack. Maybe i'd do the hink why that's too big for you. It's pretty big okay. maybe i do. It's just hard. They're all bad and like the small purses have like or or a cat face on it. I don't want that. And i didn't want the pom pom women i was like i don't know i guess it's fun colorful. It is fun colorful other backpack. And here's what's this year got. I got you. Hey wanna be almost pretentious. Just try so hard to be part of the in crowd you know the type usually hipsters who are only cool in their own heads and who think they know everything. You definitely don't have time for anyone who thinks they're superior to you or anyone who follows fads like little sheep. Wow i guess so. Okay who do i hate. Oh also hate wanted okay. I wonder if all of them are just you ever want to be. Here's the thing. I don't wanna be. I like when people want to be something. Striving for something yeah. I'm here for him. Well that was wrong. Founded incredible website. You just have to check out. Nuts dot com. This is the best kept secret of savvy scenarios across the country. No joke it's like all the best things in one place not just nuts. They have all kinds of candies dried fruits and pantry items like baking mixes pasta and more. Listen i got a big old box of stuff from nuts dot com and i got excited. I said ooh nuts was going to be here. You better believe there is cash bam peanuts. Yes and then there was awesome nana products. But like i wasn't as excited about those. Because i listen nuts. Dot com is over four. That was products to choose from. You'll find delicious healthy kid. Friendly snacks dried strawberries and custom trail mix. Of course there's all the raw organic roasted salted and candy nuts. You can imagine even chocolate dipped family. Run business that digs brian. And getting the freshest. We love that delivery as fast most orders ship the same day new nuts dot com customers get free shipping on your first order when you text friends to six four dash zero zero zero seven texts friends to six four zero zero zero to get free shipping on your first order from nuts dot com. That's just six four. Zero zero zero terms apply not dot com slash terms. Let's answer one question lou. Fine colin's this year My name is sam huge fan. I love you guys this past I have this friend And she recently got out of a relationship And i feel like it was kind of like a a big quarantine relationship like they got together during covid you know. They rarely saw each other out and they both live with their parents. Because everyone was back And you know. I just i stopped. The girl was fine. You know I just i never thought she was like the one for my friend or who shouldn't really try to make conversation anything like that and so kind of like towards the end of their relationship My friend who you know before this we would talk every day. We catch up with each other. You know talk about being single and you know after a while we kind of just stopped talking like we would stop hanging out and getting coffee and All of that and so they've recently broke up and she's kind of like come back into my life and you know we talk all the time and We've been hanging out safely. Obviously with code and I don't know if i should approach the topic. I'm like hey we're really bad friends for a while I've known her for so long. But i feel like every time. I've tried to have this conversation with her. I either like hurt her feelings or she doesn't absorb it. So do i just leave it and you know if she gets into another relationship like i'm just gonna again So yeah anyways so help would be great Hope you're having a great time. Okay nice heart. Ooh you have something you. I had a friend who Is a close friend and Early in our friendship. She was dating someone for a couple of years and was absent. The religious she felt unavailable and i guess like thankfully i had. I felt like. I had other close friends so i was like okay. We'll show like me know when she wants to hang. I'm not going to have tried to like pressure her anything and then they broke up and then honestly that that topic came up because she was like talking about a different friend. It was like it's so hard to like. Get this person to hang out. And i was like well i mean that. Was you for a while. It was really hard to get you to hang out for a minute. 'cause if you seem so unavailable and then she explained like she just. It wasn't a good relationship. It wasn't like abusive but it was like she is still a lot of obligation to this other person. She felt like even if the other person wasn't home she should go home like she should go home after shows or like she should like just be available for him and like i. I don't know if he was requiring that but like that's what was that was a very codependent relationship Hard to say how developed but it did and And so she was telling me that. And i didn't know that stuff and maybe i would've if we talked during the relationship. Also maybe we wouldn't have because she wasn't a place where she was talking about that stuff because i don't even think she was aware of it. So so that's what i thought of white. While i was listening to this voicemail just like you don't know what this person was going through in the relationship. I mean maybe you do you have some idea but maybe this person didn't dive in deep is to what was happening because maybe they felt like you know when you're sometimes are near like going through something you know. Realize you're going through something. You do not have vocalized to another person. So it's possible is person was like in their feelings and just didn't know they could reach out to a friend or didn't feel like reaching andrew frontal just felt like being bombed by themselves or whatever So that doesn't like like. I'm not saying let this person off the hook for being a bad friend but that might there might be other factors at play that have nothing to do with you Yeah i think. That's right. And i think also it's like if you want to broach the topic. It's like hey. I really missed you like when you were dating so and so and i felt like i felt like i couldn't reach out because i didn't want to bother you because i think when you put all the stuff on like i then it doesn't feel like oh you were unreachable. You were hard to hang out with. You ignored me. It's just like oh no. I can't believe i made you feel that way. I'm sorry maybe your friend will tell you. Yeah like i felt like i needed to be home for this person right. It wasn't a relationship. Or whatever. But yeah i don't think there's anything wrong with saying that you. Yeah i like what you said about saying. Like i missed you. is because it's not like you're not trying. I hope you wouldn't want to try to shame. This person is mostly just like you like hanging out with them. And i think the more expressed that that will make a person feel good. It'd be like oh my gosh i. I'd deprived by friend of hanging out with me. I'm such a good time. My friend missed me. And yeah you probably that you probably do another conversation because if this person gets in a relationship again. You don't want that to happen again. That would suck. Yeah so yeah. I think do bring it up but in a way. That's like not like piling it on them. yeah. I think we did. We solved it. We've consolidated do people seventy six. I think that's it. I think we did. We do good and this has been an episode of best friends. If you like to get your world solved you can email us nicole. Djamil dot com or call two four six four five seven zero zero three. We also have merged at pod wag dot com slash best friends and we have a bonus series and premium. Check it out for a month for you. Know for free of central premium gonna state. You're no good. Stitcher dot com premium and use the promo code friends when signing up for a month we plan leslie. Don't forget to rate review and subscribe. That's the easiest way to support this. 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Fast Money 03/26/21

CNBC's Fast Money

23:00 min | 2 months ago

Fast Money 03/26/21

"Exchange is now a podcast. I'm brian sullivan. Join me as we hit the biggest money stories from around the world breaking down the risks and rewards of global. Trade the news. You need to know what real world actionable advice. Even a little fun and unique content. You won't get anywhere else like the most random but interesting thing you'll hear all day subscribe to the worldwide exchange podcast today. I am brian sullivan in for melissa lee and this is fast money. Tonight's traitor lineup. Mr steve grauso brian kelly. Jeff bills and vaughn icing tonight on fast. The china tech wreck china internet stocks falling hard this week. So if you own these names what do you do sell out or load up. We'll get some answers stuck in the suez. Another attempt to clear that block ship failing economic impact building up faster than the traffic jam of cargo itself stocks. You need to watch all of this. Some pop big time today and then your charter. The week this name knocked losing nearly half its value just since monday. But guess what he's got one of our traders hitting the seeing value in that name. Can you guess we'll bring it to you head all of that over the next twenty eight or so minutes that we've got together before options actions kicked off. Don't worry get to it. All let us begin macro and as you heard sarah in welches talk about that frenzied friday finish. Let's check out the tale of the tape. The s. and p. five hundred sluggish. Much of the day doing nothing. Hey take the day off nope because then later in the afternoon buyers came in stocks surging right around three. Pm all the major averages finishing at their highs of the day and with that game not huge but again the s. and p. five hundred nearly six percent this year not including dividends so. Let's jump right in brian kelly. Bk what does this kind last. Hour market move. Tell you as we head into a weekend. Could be a a big time monday. I mean it. It may be what we saw throughout the day that i know we're going to get to the chinese internet stocks and in a later on but we did see what looked like some sort of liquidation. What was curious those. We didn't see generally when you see something happened like that you'll see the physicians go down in the short positions. Go up but we didn't see that. So maybe this last hours related to that. Maybe this was short-covering in the last hour. I you know we've got a fair amount of news. It's a short week next week. Though as well just in the last hour you have this ship in the suez start floating a bit. So i think everything conspired right around three o'clock to just get this face ripping rally towards the end of the day. No don't make too much of that ship. Pk it's got a long way to go. The ever given that little guy in the in the backhoe may have got it moving just a bit but we still got a ways to go. Steve grasso when you look at this kind of violent market move by the way to the upside probably better than to the downside for the majority of our viewers. What does it tell you well when you look at those handful of stocks that. Pk alluded to those The chinese stocks are chinese facing stocks. We all came in this morning on wall street and goldman sachs was shopping massive pieces of three names around the street so the market took its lead from thirty million shares of this stock fifty million shares of this stock ten million shares of of by do for sale so tencent by do vip shop. All these names put a blanket on the market brian. It traded training price pieces. Yeah we're talking to china. China's internet stocks in just a second. You guys are running down here. I know it's a friday. You want to get out there. Let's just back it up but we'll get to that those macro market my friend the macro. Snp if we care the nasdaq the dow what happened. It wasn't really that gentle move in the ever given the suez. This theory i apologize. I was i apologize. I was getting there but the point is is these names actually pushed the style wants. These names started to rally the names that were responsible for taking us down. It pulled the rest of the market up tremendously and drastically and dramatically. So when you said what's monday going to hap- what's gonna happen. Money is going to be a big upside monday. It could be a margin. Call monday to brian so get to the afternoon on monday. A lot of people could be tapped on the shoulder and said hey bill. Hey sue you gotta cover those positions. Those positions are getting called in. So it's sort of a flip of the coin and it gives something for everyone heading into the weekend or guys ready to get back to the market here. You could see me looking away because you've got some breaking news on the vaccines actually one. That may help speed up to roll out as well. Let's get right now back to kill. She's been breaking news all day and she has more vaccines now. Hey brian i've learned that the white house is studying. Whether to temporarily suspend patent protections for vaccines and treatments developed to treat covid nineteen in response to specific requests from south africa and india who have lodged a formal request to the world trade organization to get access to these medicines and so far the issue has been tabled on a global scale. But now i've learned that it's risen to the highest levels within the binding administration according to three sources familiar with the matter as recently as monday of this week. A meeting of deputy level policymakers convene to discuss the issue. But i'm told by my sources that no decision was reached. Although privately house speaker. Nancy pelosi many of the members of her caucus have supported this move behind the scenes that she has sent a private letter to the white house expressing her own support for pursuing such a move. You can imagine. There is fierce debate on either side of this discussion on one. Hand pharmaceutical companies say that this would compromise medical innovation in the future on the other hand. You have many developing nations. Who say that they would like access to these medicines and they argue that wealthier nations are essentially these medicines that they've developed in the words of one source who's familiar with some of the support among progressive lawmakers. Here in the us. They say we're not all safe until everyone is safe. Brian we should note. I just got a statement in from the office of the us trade representative who will have jurisdiction over this issue. And who. I believe will make the final decision and it says that they are using every avenue to coordinate with their global partners. Back to you can open it up. Broadly to your point. Two more manufacturing sharing facilities to sharing supply chains and distribution and getting us past two and a half billion mark. Day where we stand right now. Kayla tashi breaking news on that interviewing peak budaj it really breaking news on a potential mileage tax kayla. We appreciate it both. Thank you very much bond. When i said. Just give us a comment. Listen you're not an epidemic. You might be epidemiologist. I am not. But i've said that the only real data that matters right now is health. Data is this a moment. Is this a market moving piece of news for the market or just take good piece of news for the country. i think it's more concentrated. Well listen i. I i think the no on the head right. We're all looking at two things. Interest rates and cova development. So yes it is. It is a data point for sure. I think it's more relevant to the healthcare sector. And i'll say you reading between the lines here. We've got to keep in mind that this is probably one of the more collaborative efforts. We've seen in medicine and lease in recent history. And i know. I don't have the same hindsight or experience that some of the others have in terms of like how long they've been around. But i do read inform myself and what i'm saying is in terms of you. Mentioned supply chains. Being shared collaboration. In terms of vaccine efficacy and terms of testing rollouts shared laboratories. And things that nature by points this has been at the forefront of innovation and collaboration. And i think for us now to pare that back and try to part and parcel and i understand the need for intellectual p deftly. We're talking about global pandemic. I think the precedent that has been set in terms of collaboration needs to continue both intra country and interstate and intercountry as it pertains to developed and developing nations. Absolutely you're listening to. I hear you it. Don't be all like. I'm so young. I wasn't born the last pandemic nineteen sixty eight. The last airbase. I wasn't around. I'm not speaking for grass or k. On that one. But hey jeff gene. Roll out so thrilled about these well. You'll probably a baby. it's fine. i know jeff. There's a lot of passion around the vaccine going into the vaccines that whatever we're talking about reducing hospitalizations and fatalities and getting the majority of the economy. The ones that are still close by the way. Because half america's run wide open already. The ones that are still closed back open. Does this matter for stocks. I think it does. Because i think he can have an effect more broadly on things that we care about like the dollar and interest rates for example you've had international economies generally developing and developed sort of lagging on the growth front. There was less stimulus and the vaccine. Rollouts been a little bit slower. And i think partially that's to blame for the strength that we've seen in the dollar lately. Typically the account or cyclical currency global growth picks up the us lags because international economies are more cyclical. So you have the dollar pressure. What's going on right. Now is the exact opposite so if you can start to see the vaccine. Rollout pick up steam both in europe and japan and then developing nations as well. I think that could have an impact on the dollar and then obviously that trickles through to a lot of other areas of the economy but just on today very quickly reminds me of one thing and it reminds me that this market is very broad. I think it feels bad. When the market's down two or three percent and you see these pockets that have been hit really hard but ultimately i think this is a market where can go. Higher cyclicals can go higher. Yes i think. Cyclicals lead the way but this is a very broad market. We haven't seen cracks in credit. Industrials are making. New relative is not necessarily a backdrop for a broad market top. Just by the way on to that point getting a note here from dubrovka lakos buddha's who we all know very well saying the market is no longer stacked against growth from a risk reward perspective. Most of the damage has been done so a positive note from j p m just crossing after the market closed. Kind of goes to your point. Jeff okay. let's turn a bit now to one of the big pain points for the market this week. And then the china based internet stocks. Many of them getting absolutely squashed the k. Web china internet. Etf down twelve percents. Monday and fifteen percent in just one month so what exactly is driving. Sell off. well. It has a lot to do with the sec. Potential new rules bop assigning more about than anybody who's been digging and he joins us now. What exactly is the sec. Either going to force or propose that did that kind of damage to those companies and their shareholders. Yet it's one of several problems. China starts have had this week brian. So there's a new. Sec rule requiring foreign companies to submit their documentation about in. It's causing a lot of headaches for these chinese investors. Us listed companies have repeatedly run afoul of efforts by us regulators to monitor the audits of us companies this week the sec began the process of implementing eight new law that will require companies to submit documents to establish that they're not owned or controlled by a government entity. Chinese companies will also have the name each board member who is a chinese communist party official if the companies failed to comply after three years. Us regulators could deliver the companies in the past. Couple of days there has been huge block trades going off in many china names including ten cent music vip shop by do and there's some speculation that this is forced liquidation by some fun that someone is saying. Get me out of these and other stocks. Chinese regulators have also been putting pressure on china tech giants in november chinese regulators. Stunned investors by nixing abc groups. Ipo at the last minute since then. Chinese officials have repeatedly expressed concerns about inflated stock prices and excessive leverage in the system. And he add to that backlash against nike and adidas. This week on chinese social media. It's a very complicated stu affecting china's stocks. The big issue is whether chinese companies will open their books. us regulators in the future china regulators have resisted turning over data largely because the sensitivity around those state owned enterprises the banks the energy the industrial companies. They don't want to open up those books to the us government agencies because then the government agencies would know what subsidies these companies are getting from the chinese government. Brian is salt. More than three hundred million shares. Ten cent music trade today just in the regular hours normally trade seventeen million. Somebody's definitely liquidating shares of some chinese companies as well some other company that saw huge amounts of trades viacom as well. Somebody's getting out of a position here. Brian that's it bubbas on by the way i love your cheese steak piece. On the news or shepard smith the other day became. We have any idea who's shopping. These big blocks maybe grasso can chime in. No yeah no listen. I don't have any insight on that except to say that the size of the blocks were a lot larger than the thirteen reporting out there so it is either a group together getting out or somebody that hasn't filed a thirteen f yet. But it's very very curious. The one thing i would say is. I do not think that today's selling was related. To the fact that three years from now you might. They might get delisted. Nobody's rushing stocks. Like they did today. I if it's a three year type of process steve. Yeah it was. It was speculated that it was one of two funds. I'm not gonna say it. It wouldn't be prudent for me to say the funds. But there's definitely some forensic being done on wall street to see which funded to brian's point which could actually have the ammo for the definitely circulating to funds that are at the top of the pile for who could be for the four selig guys. Thank you are coming up. We are trading the all time high clubs should you fade. These record runs or the games just getting started by high cell higher r. traders away and neck plus it is friday night and all you loyal fast money fans out there and that means we've got chart of the week for you so stick around to discover what name we're watching. Discover the name. We're watching charter. The week guesses senator anybody with me. We're back what exchange is now a podcast. I'm brian sullivan. Join me as we hit the biggest money stories from around the world breaking down the risks and rewards of global. Trade the news. You need to know what real world actionable advice and even a little fun and unique content. You won't get anywhere else like the most random but interesting thing you'll hear all day subscribe to the worldwide exchange. Podcast today fast. Good good friday everybody. Well a bunch of names entering the all time high club today. Names like o'reilly automotive. Dr horton home. Depot waste management and. That is just a few. There's some others that you can read them so these gains and some of these names just getting started or is it time to take your profits and run and go put the money somewhere else. We thought it'd be a perfect time to play a little game of look at look at the glowing enthusiasm from our traders. That was that was beautiful. When oliver became the ninth brady in the final season of the show. That's it we're playing traded or faded high fliers addition. Let's kick things off with. Dr horton up thirty percent alone this year. Bk traded or faded sully amped up to talk about this name. So let me go. Let me go right into it. I'm gonna of yours at home. No i'm trading it. Which means i'm buying the game very excusing but i'm buying. Here's why we're all looking in this market. For companies that have pricing power if inflation comes down the pipe which looks like it is who has pricing power well. There aren't as many homes for sale as they used to be so therefore supplies reduced and now d. r. Horton has the ability to raise prices. At some point in the future it becomes a problem. But that's not today's problem and that's what the market pricing in. I think this breakout is just getting started. And do you agree. I agree with a lot of what he said. But i came to the exact opposite conclusion. So i'm fading here you about the pricing power but what's informing me and what i see a lot of other traders being of is valuation. And what i see in d. r. horton is a slight premium in terms of price earnings book on afford and shelling basis. So in terms of being able to pass along prices in terms of return metrics and everything else on the balancing. There's not a lot to be part and parcel between l. h. i. multi homes and a lotta the others so for me it's just a matter of rotate into something. Reduce my risk a little bit by buying something with the lower valuation. That has the same type of up side. I'm gonna fade it for that reason right there you go. You just made a market you to all right staying with the housing related play. Homedepot stay in hot up thirteen percent so far this year. I mean steve. Kratz traded or faded. How much more hd having the tank. Well first of all. I'm going to trade. It let me just get out there and say why likes these names for when you're looking at a stock that's a made an all time high. The odds are it's going to go higher because if it breaks out of some sort of trend some sort of pattern and then the rest of wall street. The analyst community are chasing it so they wind up pushing things. Higher with price targets. Home depot has a couple of different more difficult comps moving forward but people are staying home more. That's going to be a trend. Brian about fifteen percent of the workforce is going to remain at home. You look around your house. Everything needs to be fixed. You're gonna stay on that. Trend home depot was traded by trade. It by it. Everything fees fixed around the house. That's exactly what my wife says. Jeff mills what do you think trade. It or faded on home depot. So listen this is sort of a half-hearted fade slash self. would you rather them glad melissa. Playing the game right. But i would rather lows when looking at lowe's or home depot steve's point you look at restoration hardware look at williams sonoma. They are telling you that people are still spending money on their homes. I just think lows has more upside. I think that they have more. In the way of operational improvements to make and i like the valuation spread when comparing lows versus home depot. Lowe's at nineteen times four at home depot at twenty four times ford. They're both breaking out. I both think they have upside momentum. I think the chart looks a little bit. More convincing for lows so fading home depot just made a marketing. Both and steve. I prefer to what. I didn't know all the things that wrong because i cannot. I came to change a lightbulb on up the ladder. All right next up o'reilly automotive shares there this year. That's a great point sir. You win the contest shows over anyway. Bond with accordia. Faded on o'reilly around the fitting this one as well and similar logic as i expressed with. Dhi right when i look at a riley vs autozone for example right rally trading about four or five turns more expensive. You look at the balance sheet and you look at margin growth like all of these things are very similar so again. I think this is really. What's informing traders right now. I'm going ahead and roll down. The wrist curve getting similar company. Pay a little bit less for it there. You go bhawan fading. O'reilly automotive steve. Grasso wins fourteen to two against everybody else guys. Thank you very much coming up. It is your chart of the week. Why one of those four gentlemen is buying that name on that week is the name. There's the chart. Its next naked. Afraid for back after this time to reveal your chart of the week that stock just handed in its worst week ever falling forty six percent since monday. If you got it it's discovery. Pk you bought a bit of it. Today y. yeah it took. I took a little nibble on it. So listen this is not saying there's value here. I'm not saying that. I have any insight on the company. The only that i have is that last friday. This stock was trading near seventy five dollars. Almost and it's been cut in half did the prospects of the company and their business change by fifty percent over the last week. I don't think so. I'm taking a shot over the weekend. All right fireplace kelly. Thank you very much time now for our final. let us go around the horn. Starting with you steve. Grasso oh l. And by mill general s and p global going higher. Bottling docu sign once that two hundred dollar level stocks a little on the trashy side wm waste management. You buy it guys. 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"From wondering, I'm David Brown. And this is business wars. On today's show something a little different. I want to tell you about my other show business wars daily think of it as daily fix of the big time business wars stories, you know, and love plus others. You've never heard before after all businesses big and small or doing battle every day on business wars daily. We give you a brief update. Monday through Friday on the latest combat between the world's biggest companies happening right now, the movie theater grudge match between DC and marvel the jousting between Starbucks and Dunkin to fill your morning cuppa Joe or the brawl between Uber in lift for control of your cities scooters today, we're bringing you our latest episodes of business wars daily, plus a sneak peek of what's to come. We've got provocative ad campaigns. The next big thing and social media accusations of corporate sabotage, and of course, beer, and that's just this week. But I to kick us off. Let's flashback to our latest and greatest business war. Mcdonald's versus Burger King. A beef so epic it won't end till one companies crowned Victor last. We heard McDonald's rejected Burger King's offer to make peace for one day. Only by cooking up a MAC Walker. Mcdonald's wasn't too crazy about that idea. Well, it turns out Burger King isn't quite done battling McDonald's. Here's a little update on that feud care of business wars daily episode from December one of the best cases of corporate trolling we've heard in a while. How does a burger for a penny? Sound pretty good? That's what thousands of people thought. Earlier this month when Burger King offered them Walker for one cent. Yes. You heard right. The fast food chain practically gave away their burgers in an effort to steal customers from McDonald's using futuristic technology called geo conquest ING, the concept is a bit technical so bear with me here for a second leveraging geo location technology Burger King drew virtual six hundred foot parameters around most McDonald's restaurants in the US to create what's called geofencing, then assuming you had already downloaded Burger King's new app onto your phone the minute you entered that parameter upward Papa mobile. Add offering you a Walker for a penny to unlock the offer. You had to place the order from McDonald's and the app would respond with directions to the nearest Burger King Burger King called the campaign. The. Hopper. Detour and crowed that for the week of the promotion, they transformed McDonald's into Burger King's. Well, the Walker detour worked more than fifty thousand customers bit the Burger King app jumped to the top of I tunes food and drink category. As thousands rushed to download it. The strategy is called geo conquest ding for a reason it uses a companies own physical assets like it's restaurants against them. But before you start thinking McDonald's is the underdog in this story think again, the hopper detour constitutes a major push by Burger King into the mobile app game, which has long been dominated by McDonald's. Reportedly more than sixty million people already have the Mickey D's app on their phones, which gives the company direct free access to their customers. It Burger King's app has any hope of catching up they'll need to offer customers more than seven days of penny. Patties to. Do it. In other words, Burger King may have won the week. But in the mobile fast food game. Mcdonald's still wears the crown. That was an episode of business wars daily from last December. If you want to hear more like it subscribe to business wars daily on your favorite listening out in a moment company conflicts and contests from the US to China to Mexico. The news this past week has been quite the roller coaster and the business world has been on a ride as well. We've been covering it all on business wars daily. And so today we want to bring you a few episodes from this week. So you can get a sense of business worse daily and get caught up on all the latest corporate antics, which brings us to this story from Tuesday. Hydraulics is suing the cookie monster. No, not the Sesame Street character, of course. But Monday's international the company that owns competitor Oreo. It's a rivalry more than a century old in one thousand nine hundred eight sunshine, biscuits, invented the hydroxy cookie so named because sunshine thought a mash up between hydrogen and oxygen would evoke purity the cookie with white cream sandwiched between two chocolate wafers caught on with consumers and competitors rival Baker Nabisco debuted. It's chocolate sandwich, cookie. The Oreo just four years later for decades after the two snacks vied for cookie domination with hydro signaling that its name presented some. Challenges. I'm a high drugs, cookie, high drugs trucks, some kids have trouble remembering my name. I don't understand why in two thousand three hydroxy then owner Kellogg decided to discontinue the cookie much to the dismay of hydroxy Colt following Kellogg revived it in two thousand eight to celebrate hydroxy one hundred anniversary. But the crunchy treat made little more than a cameo appearance before once again disappearing into obscurity that is until Elliott Kassof CEO of leaf brands bought the trademark for all of two hundred and seventy five dollars. Leave specializes in reviving beloved cookie and candy brands from the past like Astro pops in whacky wafers. Remember those in twenty fifteen Cass off bought up supermarket shelf space in plopped hydroxy next to Oreo on four thousand cookie, I'll shelves nationwide hydroxy enthusiasts. Cheered. But cast-offs good fortune. Didn't last today you'll find hydroxide on only a few hundred supermarket shelves. So what went wrong? Well cast off blames the Oreo last summer. He filed a lawsuit with the Federal Trade Commission. He claims parent company Mondays is stealing hydroxy shelf space to stop hydroxy feels and kill the upstart cookie competitor. He's spreading the message with a hashtag stop hiding. The hydraulics could Monto lease actually be sabotaging hydraulics, theoretically. Yes category winners like Oreo often stock the shelves in big grocery stores, giving them a leg up, but Monda leases Scoffing at the lawsuit. They say stores simply give Oreo better placement because well Oreo is Oreo America's favorite cookie. That's a lie says Cass off. And he wants congress to get involved. He may have to wait in line. In the meantime, most hydroxy lovers have only one option to feed their cookie cravings by hydroxy in bulk on. Amazon and freeze the extras freezer, burn hydraulics and not even the cookie monster would get excited about that. One. Personally, I've always liked orios anti-drugs. I mean, why choose only one the more the merrier as they say, the more the merrier is also something that a new social media company in China is probably saying to its investors. Check out this story from today's business wars daily about the latest company to go totally viral. Unless you're say thirteen years old you may have never heard of one of the most valuable social media apps in the world is called tick tock, and it's a video sharing platform that encourages its users to lip sync and dance to popular songs. Make short comedy videos. It claims to have more than half a billion users worldwide. And by last fall tick tock was being downloaded more often than any of the big name, social, apps, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and even YouTube like the bygone video app. Vine which let users make six second videos tick tock gives users fifteen seconds to make videos and allows them to add clips from songs emojis, put on stickers that sort of thing users can also paced videos together for stories that run up to a minute long. And then there are the so-called challenges where users create videos based on specific memes. One involving videos of gummy bear seeing Adele song. Someone like you went viral another challenge help turn Drake's in my feelings into a global hit like YouTube tick tock is already launched. Some stars. One is said to be making twenty five thousand dollars a month that donations from viewers tick tock his own by Chinese digital news company called by dance which spent more than eight hundred million dollars to acquire a similar Chinese video sharing app called musically in two thousand seventeen at the time musically claimed to have more than sixty million active users with the majority in the US by dance merged two apps into tick tock, and it is now said to be valued at seventy five billion dollars this sleeper. Hit has apparently made Facebook nervous enough, but it launched a clone app called LASSO back in November like tick tock Laso allows its tween users to make fifteen second videos, and it provides a huge catalog of. Songs to go with them. But according to tech crunch LASSO got only ten thousand downloads in its first twelve days, and it hasn't caught fire since so next time you're waiting in line at the grocery store, and you see a kid lip synching into her cellphone Astor what she's doing you may be seeing tick tock inaction who knows you might be an tick tock yourself. Well, the super bowl's coming up this Sunday. It's the biggest sports day of the year. And one of the biggest beer guzzling days of the year. Two and more beer means more calories. Well, at least that's what one company wants you to be thinking about between the touchdowns in the field goals. Find out which company and why in this episode of business wars daily? The Super Bowl is of course, a celebration of spiking smashing and snacking. But this Sunday as you Nasha nachos and toast, your team Anheuser-Busch hopes. You'll take a moment to consider the calories in your beer. Yes. You heard that? Right. The makers of Bud Light are voluntarily adding nutrition labels to their brews in an effort to flaunt the one advantage. They think they have over craft beers low calories and the label will show off something else. The company is proud of a short list of what it claims her high quality ingredients for far too long people have been less to wonder what ingredients are in their view as your leader. Handsome leader. I put an ingredients label on every case of Bud Light this way. The people will be sure that the kingdom's favorite light lager is proved with the finest ingredients. It was really great. Did you get that supposed to be writing that down? It wasn't until twenty sixteen that brewers began putting ingredient labels on beer, and even then the voluntary lists weren't comprehensive. Now. Anheuser Busch is posting a more thorough label on Bud Light more like the USDA required. Labels on packaged foods in hopes that you'll trade in say a bottle of bell breweries to hearted craft beer at two hundred twelve calories for a one hundred ten calorie, Bud Light. Will it make any difference to its sales though, he could there's growing evidence that drinkers just like eaters are getting more health conscious Michelob ultra low calorie beer. Also from Anheuser Busch grew its sales by sixteen percent. Twenty eighteen one of only two major beers to do. So the other was Maddelo a Mexican beer. Now also owned by Anheuser Busch. Craft beers have been taking more and more of the market, but the health trend even applies to drinkers who prefer that beer which typically runs between two hundred and three hundred calories per bottle and craft brewers are paying attention dogfish head craft brewery, the twelfth largest craft brewer in the nation is releasing a ninety five calorie beer called slightly mighty a. EPA made with monk fruit to give it body. So what do you say? Would you cheer on your team with a monk fruit based beer and say celery sticks? Well on Sunday. We'll find out which will win the patriots or the Rams or perhaps a robust craft beer versus a low calorie brew. That was a sneak peek of Friday's business wars daily episode. You heard it here. First folks to check out more subscribe to business wars daily on your favorite podcast app. They'll get a new episode every weekday in a moment will del deep into the business wars daily archives to bring you some of our biggest boldest stories of the past year. Robin Hood is an investing app that lets you buy and sell stocks ETF's options and cryptos all commission free. While other brokerages charge up to ten dollars for every trade. Robinhood doesn't charge any commission fees. So you can trade stocks and keep all of your profits. Plus, there's no account minimum deposit needed to get started. So you can start investing at any level. 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It's powerful matching technology scans thousands of resumes to identify people with the right skills education and experience and actively invites them to apply to your job. So you get qualified candidates fast. That's why ZipRecruiter is rated number one by employers in the US this rating comes from hiring sites on trust pilot with over one thousand reviews, hey, right now listeners of business wars. That's you can try ZipRecruiter for free at this exclusive web address ZipRecruiter dot com slash b w when you try out ZipRecruiter. You're supporting our show. Again, it's easy. Just go to ZipRecruiter dot com slash w. That's ZipRecruiter dot com slash b w ZipRecruiter, the smartest way to hire. Before we go. We want to bring you some of our favorite episodes of business wars daily from the past several months, we've got businesses behaving badly companies playing tricks on their customers and stories of daring brand reinventions. So let's get started. Here's one of my personal favorites. From last November about a company doubling down on its brand and beating down on its customers. If you suspect that marketers could be labeling you as an avocado toast, millennial Applebee's is saying goodbye. They don't watch him. Yeah. They tried to seduce you for awhile with HAMAs, grilled, chicken and broccoli. But you didn't buy that the fast casual chain was actually healthy and the customers that they really serve said. But what is this stuff and left in droves? Well, Steven Joyce the plane talking CEO of dined brands, which owns Applebee's, and I hop booted that disastrous strategy right out the door. It was a mistake to try to appeal to upscale millennials. He says since they don't go to applebees anyway canning attest ad that showed beautiful millennials dining on small plates. He told addicts I know, none of you guys eat at Applebee's, and then he pointed to the models in their ad campaign. You put thirty pounds on those people make them look like they had one too many last night. That's who goes to applebees. Well, now, the eighteen hundred store chain is. Gone back to its roots. Lots of creamy indulgent, pasta dishes, two dollar beers and the dollar Rita promotion. A buck for the salty tequila drink, the company readily admits it's taking advantage of a cultural moment Americans are stressed Appleby. President Johnson Kinski told CNN and with the nation of stress eaters seeking to self medicate Applebee's might have the solution. We're pretty good at comfort food. He says the new plan appears to be working in spades. In two thousand seventeen sales were so bad that Applebee's closed ninety nine restaurants. What a difference a year makes now it's US stores are growing faster than they have in more than a decade rival olive garden is also doing surprisingly well buoy by a healthy economy and the same anxiety driving diners to Applebee's, but Applebee's is flying higher than they are Applebee's planning for growth to continue in part by attracting millennia. To may like broccoli. But like beer more those cheap drinks get millennials in the door. Then after the second two dollar bud those cheesy. Nachos look pretty good, no calorie counting aloud. It's always good. When a company CEO calls his customers, overweight. Maybe maybe not we'll see in any case while Applebee's is staying true to its four. Other iconic American businesses like Harley Davidson are stepping into new territory with mixed results as we heard about on this business wars daily episode from earlier this month. That the iconic sound of one of Harley Davidson's most famous motorcycles, the fat, boy, it's the robust macho sound the bikes traditional audience fell in love with long ago and still embraces. And this is the sound of Harleys livewire, which the company announced last week is set to become its first production electric motorcycle in its hundred and fifteen year history. Harleys trying to do something new here attract customers new to motorcycling keep its traditional base and impress investors who see the future of transportation as an electric one. That's not a live wire act. It's a high wire act the new by gets good or bad design reviews, depending on whether you like the old school, look or the sport bike lines of the livewire, thanks to its electric motor. It can go from zero to sixty three and a half thrilling seconds much faster than gas powered bike with no clutch or gear shifting that. E hog should be easy enough for novice to ride but change doesn't come easy at a company. Best known for bikes that looked like museum pieces from the nineteen forties. The challenge for Harley is to grow new customers. Without alienating its rapidly aging base, which may help explain why Harley purposefully engineered an engine roar into the otherwise silent livewire, it may not be the potato potato of the old v. Twin still it's definitely loud and distinctive. But here comes the kicker livewire will debut at a price of almost thirty thousand dollars to quote, one motorcycle enthusiast thirty thousand for a motorcycle is an awful f-ing lot. And it is especially when compared to zero the leader in the electric motorcycle. World zeros entry level bike costs about a third of the livewire and some of its twenty nineteen motorcycles are rated to go more than twice as far in a single charge pricing, the livewire so high may simply have been a branding choice for Harley which is known for popping price tags. The new bike is only at the mid range of Harleys lineup after all top of the line can cost more than forty three. Two thousand dollars far more than most expensive motorcycle from Indian its closest traditional competitor. But there could be another reason for the price altogether. It may be that harley's less interested in selling these new tech machines than in convincing Wall Street that the old barn shield knows. The marketplace is changing after all retooling factories for new electric bikes is expensive. And even though Harleys promised to range of new electrics by the middle of the next decade summit, Milwaukee's Motor Company would like nothing more than to tell ANSI investors. See electric bikes won't sell. We'll see. All right. The rubber meets the road. When Harleys livewire goes live in dealerships this summer, hang on tight. Speaking of summer, can I interest you in some pool refreshing grape juice, well, how about a cool refreshing story about rape juice grape juice industry is changing that according to welches and this episode of business wars daily from last October. For decades juice advertising has been targeted at women often at mothers buying juice for the children. As a welches spokesman noted recently, juice marketing has been full of sunshine, and smiles, but over the years parents have been repeatedly warned that juice is bad for kids teeth, and it's become a harder sell for welches and rivals like minute maid. Well, if you can't beat your competitors and a changing market pulverize them. That's what welches is trying to do with a new campaign that sets out to remake the image of grape juice into one so robust that manly men can be proud to drink it in a survey Welsh conducted at claims to have found to surprises. I that men drink more juice than women and second that they're more likely to be the primary grocery shoppers note that women everywhere may ask for more evidence to back up that finding still to welches targeting men now. Oh makes sense and last week welches release the humorous campaign called toughest grapes. The videos feature machines that not only crushed the purple fruit. They spray it all over the burly men who star in the ads. Welsh is the farmers farm. The truckers truck and yell the multi great over is pulverized Smoltz, tons of grapes. The world's toughest antioxidants welches taught his great judging from the publicity. Toughest grapes got from day one. You might say that welches new ad campaign is crushing it. While it's good to crush it. When it comes to advertising. There are limits to crushing your competition in the form of some very serious antitrust laws, which brings us to our next business wars daily story on the big business of canned tuna. That's right. Canned tuna. Star Kist tuna is famous for this care. What what the Douglas's never seen Dylan glasses on torn Witzig guys every day. And because Charlie's wrong about whatever. He says star Kist is also famous for this message. Sorry, charlie. Well, now star Kist has been found to be really wrong. Earlier this month star kiss pled guilty to charges that the company along with competitors. Bumblebee and chicken of the sea colluded to fix tuna prices. If you've ever wondered why that cana- tuna costs so much. Here's your answer the three leading canned tuna processors have been keeping it that way. Together, the three companies produce four out of five cans of tuna sold in the US. A federal investigation has been looking into allegations of price-fixing since at least twenty fifteen NPR reports star Kist agreed to pay a one hundred million dollar fine. As part of it's plea deal. A former star Kist executive and to bumble bee foods leaders also pled guilty bumblebees former CEO stepped down in may after being indicted on price-fixing charges. He's pled not guilty. But if. Convicted he could face up to ten years in prison. Walmart has also filed an ongoing lawsuit against the three tuna companies. Walmart claims it was forced to continue paying high prices for tuna even after changes to supply and demand that should have resulted in lower prices chicken of the sea which assisted in the government investigation was not charged and reached a settlement with WalMart. The feds are still circling the waters as the investigation continues. Sorry, charlie. Well, that was just a taste of business wars daily. We hope you enjoyed it. You can check out more the show and subscribe now on apple podcasts. Spotify Google podcasts. Stitcher wondering dot com or wherever you're listening right now. Hey, this is kinda cool business wars. 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"Look star town. I mean you points. Mass twenty twenty twenty two weeks given the whole year already we are. We are back and we are here. Prescription was yeah. Come down a little bit. what's going on. Yeah we are back again for the new year. Happy new year to order. Go people's i am the one and only thankfully wanting only because i can handle more than one Dj nuts longside my pnc. Who's here to welcome in the new year. The new decade any goes by the name. Oh well man willie thrill professional shit talk extraordinary love of the people to coach and everything about it. You're happy new. Your brother is filling up an amazing happy to be here man. You know what. I mean yes indeed. Long trip back from dc yesterday. Yes we had had a meeting at the. You gotta meet well. Listen the problem with hit me. Oh oh now isn't it. They say he wanted do some real goofy shit on. Let's get it i. It was quite a deal yesterday. It was quite a day. Utah twenty twenty twenty twenty over. You're gonna start calm down a little bit. Bring us down wrong. that's week. One twenty twenty wednesday. Hold my beer. We got you like this. Are we going to do this. We're going to do this the right way. Well all wrong the right wrong way. And that's what they did. Hey for Bring it down a little bit. I know that was actually deserving of it. Definitely some jokes aside. Because they're not all going away. No no. what was your initial feeling. Oh before we do that. Hold on go shadow. Man's eight fresh art studios because now we're back to to notify you. Know what i'm saying is hd is really. It's really some now so shadow it. I happen to you to yeah. We'll go ahead. we'll speak on it. Was your initial reaction. Initial reaction was tough. But i i thought is immature. The start shooting people. That's what i said. I know that sounds crazy. Original reaction was i. Somebody gonna die because you know. I'm looking at it from the lens. If if it was me it was you was people that looked like us to know what what what would have happened and how it would have went. You know what i'm gonna think. What's the rap shot with our hands in our pocket. So no we in. They're trying to literally break into federal a federal building purposely. Gunshots in broad daylight embroiled. Dato no mask like what what the level of privilege you gotta fill the commit breaking and entering with no mask on and take selfies while you're doing it yell the ball's actually it's not even that guy i don't want cut you off really that you notice you on notice your us my you notice you when when you just feel empowered to do that you know so you yeah and so watching it and i know if it's us they would have had to the body count meter on the bottom of the screen saying saying with the champion on you but that's not funny. Oh seventeen killed and then number would have been rising like a video game boy. What how many kills you would have been. It would have been a fortnight. I guess how it would have been. So when i watch it. And it's not us and he just let them. Just oh my gosh. Well and i think sometimes people think when i say stuff like that is that i. I just want them people to get killed. No no no what i want. Is that same treatment for mine right so when we do somewhere like that. I want to be super understanding and and right escort us out. That's what i want. I don't want them dead. I want to how to treat that same way. That's it that's it that's it. i'm older courtesy. That's it security. Guard retreating back bro. You're going to know that's what i want. I want that same exact treatment. Like i'm not trying to make fun of nobody physically disabled people in welches. Like like you see those and they had the man i see people up like no arms like getting wheeled out by the police. I'm just sitting there like like what you're doing here right like what she was gonna do push this year. Like you really feel like you're gonna put yourself now. I would never do that. I'm just saying like you really want to put yourself in that situation. A it was a revolution trivia reva who revolution. That's what i heard that's said. Oh yeah. we're patriots gas throwing that word around crazy. Oh gosh patriots new england. She told him about football team. Tom brady bill belichick patriots and listen. They not in the playoffs. He talking about so. Actually i so if you would have security guard a black man that clue basically okeyo. What would you have done if security restraint that that that's really i don't know i know i wouldn't have but i'm i wouldn't have shown that level of restraint what would you have done. I you have a history of you know. Once we got to the top of the steps the first thing. I thought it was spotted. Kick him directly on this spot. Like i mean just down the steps. I always done that there. Be the best as they would land everything. I'm about to say now. have you controversy. So if i so. If i go to you to call me so you would you do something ed this out. Should i go to a. We live down dollars all right so i'm here for it. Came on right. And i'm watching it with a melting pot of people. Okay so it's not just me now. Yes it's reflective benetton. Okay so we watch it seated the lady latest shot Why didn't see that before we get to that. I was sitting. I was like you know what needs to happen. And i was telling him i was like listen. I said they need to shoot somebody and the older co workers got be like. What are you said that allowed. I said i love. I'm let him know. I'll put it like this. I send him give analogy. Let's say we all trying to get into that bathroom over there right And we all know. Now we directly. We heard all trying to get back. We really want to get in there right and the first two people in front of you get shot. You still want to know. I don't bathrooms over. I'm going ask and that's exactly what would have happened. You could play tough as you want. I can play his toughest. I want but if i shooting outside and i'm not i don't i'm out on the button okay. There's two problems with that analogy number one. You know they were aren't and number two now all of them know that not all of them. It's one of those things where because remember it was him by himself with up to further. And i'm not talking to him. I was just talking about different because he he's not. He wasn't involved when when when the lady got shot. Got to a barricaded door and the lady that guy shot. We're trying to climb into the window. And you've seen the gung ho really. Yeah so she was trying to climb over so it was going like does inside okay and somehow like it was a long hallway and you can see there was different like secret service agents appear to me to be inside that office and like you do. It was out there with a gun. Pointed wasn't like he was hidden. She tried to break the glass and push to pile. Okay that's all it took one shot. One kill them. Listen if you're looking for sympathy from this work in somebody house and you get shot. That's all you. I don't like i don't. I'm sorry i don't feel that way about it for you. Don't bring nobody shit. Like i'm i don't know if that makes me heartless. I'm not trying to be have you back this week. I haven't i know you online. I really did. I spoke to him yesterday. But i didn't get that from him but i just always philosophy like this if you break into somebody's home and you get shot and killed like i have a hard time bad for you because it's like you're why brigands somebody like what you doing. Somebody protect the house. So if you break into somebody should you open yourself to whatever come with. Okay i mean i get it. That's like oh hey you sell drugs probably get arrested. You know what. I mean like if you may be kingpin to social skills. I mean there's one in a million well anybody. I guess he had a party looking crazy in not state property party. Should i do. We sorta i want okay. So now that you've had time to digest in jail. Hear your opinion on his to twenty four also our house. Now how do you feel about now. Me bo via or so i was talking to you and we spoke and then i was like Was like oh. You surprised. And it made me pause for a second. And i sat and i thought i was like. Did you applause I was like nah. Nah i'm not unlike in. That's ultra disturbing part about the whole thing. Was anybody surprised that it went the way it went. Yeah that's what. I had to comment on it and jim i had. That's why i had to comment on it. And i make a post about it. And i was like. He's surprised that was opposable. Minute and i was like nah. What does this country shown us time and time again. You don't have been asked a. But i look at it and i'm like yeah yeah. Jp would up. So i'm coming to you or do you agree with. Will you be like you know what you've got a great point so he do got a great way. I mean ain't nothing to be kind of surprised about if it was a woman. Shot down cleared out five minutes fast. Yep already his stays way too long. Now that's what a week wasn't a plant is not even that it was more so like usher board would have been able to have more security than that most security offering. Listen you so many hands that go through your dollar short anyway. They were there. It's not that they weren't there like they were in place. So what does that tell you. That's really that's really starts with over twenty four year. You know what it was. Now let it ride. Let it ride. There was in place either that or not only that we agreed. I can't how when people think that if you had to guess number like five hundred k. in known to my inside outside a set a hundred thousand to that too big yes to be fifty two hundred thirty all right. Okay all right so listen. I can't sneak i can't sneak thirty thousand eight that big. Yeah i mean i. This is eight blocks. Partisan when i start flowing in my was this. This is getting crazy. Let me go home right now. I need everybody. I mean everybody everywhere. Let's go Like when i and then relation when you look at like how it was when black lives matter says are we gonna do a much. Y'all brung tanks tanks helicopters komo land surface to air missiles was listen. I'm joking no. This is a fat snipers on roof. We ready they called terrorists from the jump so anyway. I'm trying to go a little bit deeper with this. You know it's very it's very that part of it is i feel it surface because you know i'm already thinking a little bit more tangled with a and the reason why is it makes me think how much of this was really already known because we're talking about the federal government and i guarantee you a lot of those proud boys worked for the federal government in one sense or another They listen and monitor for terrorism. So you trying to tell me. Don't people snuck in here. Nobody knew you had no inclination of what was about to take place. We got a pain to the deeper levels of this They was in on it. J you when you say when you say when you say they who you mean by the supposed to listen and and over trade for security they. It's a now we go yesterday. I'm open open barricade for you what time you just let me know. Give you a heads up. We'll leave the light on for you. Oh yeah you did. Oh so how do we okay. Let's do this. Then talk to me and said the same thing they had to know. Because it's just too much surveillance so much listening. It's not like they were keeping it a secret. No you know what i mean. It's not like the panton beating now. First one we no no no smoke signals. They wanted everybody to be there and half token is that stuff on your so called watchlist right so you knew about. They probably run to watch lists conspiracy theories. I like kind of stick to some type of because we can go go go. Yeah and. I don't wanna do that. You can get out of. They gotta the podcasts. At night that's not what we call not wanna do that so no one is as blackmail because we've had. I've seen several people who i respect speak on behalf of shock and now all black americans. We know how we're treated. We already knew that. I gotta go. I gotta stop saying going back to it. Why were we surprised. And that's gonna be the last time i say that. How do we move forward from here. How do we hold. I have an idea. I'm i'm asking the question in a rhetorical way. Because i want to hear what thinks. How should we move forward as black america knowing that this was on international television right because this got picked up everywhere. Oh hey you know what. I'm saying the apparent number one superpower in the world it gets attacked by its own people. You know what i mean. Insert all the malcolm x. Quotes that he's told you about chickens come home and roost. It was chickens. Hens don't listen. They came all cain no was there are two of every. Listen to to eric. How do we move forward. Or how should we move Going forward what do you think should happen next. How do we approach our protests going for. How do we approach the change that we know we are well deserved of these happened. Continue to happen. It's not just black america. But it's also that's assigned to all people of color anything other than white. How do we how do you think what do you think should happen. Next came up. I don. I don't know that. I don't know if there's a next to it was good to piggyback off that what we can't do that. Same shit they'd use right. Okay yes we know what's going to happen outcome gonna be. Don't don't do that. You don't let don't do that. I was so glad to hear. I didn't ask come back to the question. Glad to see that none of you know we stayed at fortune. Watch yes and we was chilling and we relaxed well crazy. Relax and i was. I was just like a mary. You why you want so bad to be oppressed like. Why do you want that so bad for you to have like some type like. That's a good question. Why do you want so bad to be oppressed. Last thing in the yang. You because one you you've been on one side of your whole existence. What about us you let me see what it really and they swapped and this what for like. What does it ninety minutes. I don't know if you saw. It was a clip that i saw of after protests of going back to the attack calling an attack. I'm gonna give some and what we that's not the same thing. maybe. I call it a tax. We got to call this. It wasn't a protest magee some. I'm open to ideas. I don't know what. I don't know what it is but i was laughing at a. You can stop right there. Great charlemagne laughing man. It's morning class. Stopped no know. He was calling them. Isis i'm sorry i shouldn't al cracker got those i was i was in. The car was like this. You don't even replay. He got three. I looked at score. I was like this now. Wait what was the first call them. Vanilla ice alcock. Oh oh yeah oh. This is literally listen you bad lately. I have no idea. I have no idea how to what's next. I don't know because i'm still kind of digesting that whole that all of that. Yeah so you got any ideas. What is there to do. I mean they went up there. To protests against what's been going on allegedly so that was a big time. Legit what we've been doing is works. What we've been doing is working. So should we respond to the way it works or should be continued to move in silence but carry a big stick to the hell. Yeah i see what you did there but have we been moving in silence. Atlanta's vi thank you. You know what. I'm saying like we treat it like that. They try to silence them to treat us like that right. So you already from us solution or my idea solution. I'm just an idea talk to that. I really will impact. We hold people accountable. Who are in office. And i don't just mean president. I'm not talking. I'm about the other people who will do and say anything to to keep their position. So i'll talk about the congressmen and senate housing. All of them people who vote because the vote is went through last week of the people who are trying to oppose biden being On finalize as president. I suppose today where they had a picture shot of all the different Congress people who voted against it those people we need to hold accountable You know why because once you start threatening people's livelihood a things in a way that they live and profit family. Ap it's that's who we need to really put the heat on reality always follow the money and that's going to get you to listen and komo follow the money that's going to get you what you look each and every time so. That's the area. I think i think that's the next not even natural progression but that's the progression and needs to happen. It should have been happening. What i'm talking about. I don't wanna. I'm trying not to somewhere else but even judges and talking about the judges that'll be like. Oh we're going to find his person guilty of rape but because of their privilege. Oh we wanna give them probation. Those the judges. We need to get out and get a body. Yeah those are the ones who get reelected and we actually have control over. Its those instances that we got to remind voters of. Hey this is what they're doing. They're not it's not a fair game. We know it's not a fair game but this is how we can make it more of a fair game right by getting about it and once they start we were really paying attention to those minute. Well mine in scale right. That's when we'll start to see some level change. That's one step that we can start doing right now because you know we got. Internet is just a lack of they. Count on our brevity being super short our attention span being super short so as long as it doesn't happen in it lasts seven to ten days election. They figure most people aren't going to remember because it's just so much we know what these cycles like. Even this what happened yesterday in the capital. I was going next week to get by the time we can come. Listen by the time. The inauguration happens this will seem like ancient history. I guarantee evan. Two thousand twenty hours go and that's what they wanted to do. But that's the difference. Say it's when those elections come up and say hey. Do me this favor. They do all these bamboo favors and this is when we got hold them accountable so high anything else. Because i want to finish with it. Yeah it was good. Things like social media like bands the president. I thought that was got. Listen that's my last political. He's got to let me let me just show you. This is my face yesterday. When i saw the news break it went from this to in a matter of seconds. And i know what it's not right. I know i know. I know but we haven't been through so much like don't we listen. It's like we told you this is gonna happen then that the the level of outrage people. That's how you know you got mad. Privileged they interviewing you. What's your name and my name is. Brian charlton brian wilson. And i'm from arkansas. I'm like you. How how what pillaged you got to a broken into the capitol building. But i'm gonna give you my name in the state that y'all can you imagine a interview and a brother when when everything was going on downtown atlanta was will from lockdown. I just broken a in a building in nominee. But yeah what happened was like your family. You just give you full name him where you live at data listen my social security number and they said it like it's like yeah what you're gonna do via role repercussions because it's like. I said there was like you can't see that you've got that dough pro. They they know actually know what they don't know because that's all they've ever experienced. And that's my biggest withholding like you don't know but that's what i'm saying. You want so bad at this level of oppression and now you don't you don't in order in order to like cats that Grew up in good neighborhoods. Try to claim like a tougher one. So you talking about the kids in the suburbia. Like from this fam- let me tell you something man. I know what you mean about. That whole thing is so. When i when i first funny story when i first moved to georgia right my living life donya up i mean. La right here like oh. This is great. You know what i mean. I'm bros where i'm not. Everything looked awesome. Did right so my parents home and they're living in Subdivision and somebody draws like oaks like gang signs in front subdivision right like on a on a concrete really. Hoa pain and over the next day. right right. never happened never happened right so my mom saying you really wanna be from the hood got h owain here nothing screams. Let's hood than folks living coldest sec. I didn't even know what that mental i moved. What is it called to tell you what time i said. Listen move to a bad neighborhood with the. Because i really want shows how not cool shit is oh man it is terrible. It is like this passionate popping. 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You don't give a damn listen don't but that that's the best part about it because they gotta learn so i don't even think they win when he stopped trump. He was upset. Because i know that's one of your favorite follows on social media. Oh yes she was saying okay so when when did a half pump fake of really banning the president of the united states. You know the the wild laughing. They should have done this back in two thousand eighteen. It's not like what he's saying now. Is that when you know what now people they'll okay always a castle feel safe Banning him for three for was thirty days or the point of it is. It's funny. i. I know china and the russian president like we while out. We've got twitter. Russia sitting over looking at shallan venezuela's they probably close the borders. You is right now. I don't care about nine. They leave your president is leading instead. He's leaning country maxima talk. 'cause i know the answers to them but like when you sitting there watching it and they and that's like imagine this. Imagine whole crowd was black and brown and flags. Instead of trump's said obama morning. I would feel ashamed that it was us really that it was us doing that stupid shit. Oh if they were doing it for the same reason yeah okay got you not love me like we got some real. Okay i got gotcha. Okay well we got real data if we had to made up like that. I'll be like what goes down the hell. Yeah hey man your take home. We might have without a take home. Oh man sometimes. I love the internet. I really do. Smooch was could be. It was a good time crazy. Watch i feel like watching a movie like it wasn't allows like this is i i was i was. I felt bad myself. Because like i shouldn't be enjoying this as much. But it's like after so many years of fighting and trying to do whatever we can any semblance of sense in equality and it's just like this is your best plan of attack like so i'm gonna sit back and left because i know it's not going to last until and we just got reminded of because at the end three hours later. You see clips of people in a hotel room day back drinking beer video. Hey that was a great great great break in. Lieu beanie let. Let's come light without a chart. Who's with no charge you. We doing this to factors. You can't even imagine bragging doing something illegal. And then getting on camera and talking about candy and seventies eighties anyway so Transit under this georgia. On what big. Big things georgia. We did that though. Hey y'all got outvoted. Yes the right people so salubrious with question. How long forty five seconds. I'm not even lying. i'm not either. I mean forty. Five minutes. In and out i walked in. It wasn't a lot. I started the lady at the desk. 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It's like when you say with great day you you you don't want for that at all right so if you really going to say the momentum that we've built took back control the senate right say we. You know what. I'm saying. Mouse and you get all of that so we need something monumental to really be thrilled. Golf man yeah. And you know what i think would be. Perfect talked to ice cubes contractor. Black nice oh you remember that. He was beefing about galley yells. Upset about cuba about benny november trump. And things like that. Because i remember by trying to cancel. We hid biden team. You said you wanted to accept the election. Eight is after that we we are here now. All this talk about the direct. Let's talk about that. that's what i'm talking about. Don't you really need to see acted early on. I'm talking about january twenty first twenty. I don't maybe saturday but the point is those are the things that need to happen from. 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I ain't gonna look what actually is. What is what the sweater joint looks like. You know what i'm saying so it was officially a turtle but you know what i'm saying overlook like swag me anyway. Oh no i will. Not i definitely how you the first of all that was disrespectful and i got a new phone so you phone no. None of them ever was always. It was almost one of the cool kids. I what i'm leaving eight achromatic nafta that nonsense ready. What i'm leaving in twenty twenty long conversations. Get to the point. My time is valuable people. I don't need too much for backstory. If it's intricate or intrical. Part of what i need to know is what you're telling me. It's just what i need to know. Information right keep me a happy person. Complaining labor pains. Let's show me the best known about through this get passed on. What is it called. Barry was the hicks thing. The fake one. Braxton hicks thank you tony. Listen so if it's not to that effect let's keep it moving by the labor. I need pump fake. I don't need it. I said what i'm saying when the screen let's get to it. Where is the baby. That's where's the babe come home. This is all i'm saying. Where's the baby. Where's the baby. Yeah we definitely britney was going on. We know that's that's really. I'm really i'm doing even more this year. Four so my time. Nothing more able than that paul. Relax second too crazy part. Listen so if. I can cut down several minutes in certain conversations. I'm helping you you welcome. Listen you want me to do action. You won't listen to you. I mean that could listen to sometimes another job but but if it's just general information yeah come on i. i don't. I don't need to hear it. Yeah not stuff especially when this topic already talked about this. And i noticed already told you about it. I that that's fine. Okay you gotta be. It gets you back your time. That's that's all. I'm saying so. We don't have proven to me and you've been doing it but let me look at my step and you've been doing it i go. It's a good thing can i. Can i get one more quick. Not even politics thing. But it's not a politic thing. Go it's just like when i when i watched it. I thought it was dope that this that so many. Hsbc you alums have been involved in this Instruction movement yesterday. Let's not yesterday like is like pay attention. Y'all for those. That don't know fish was good one more house man. Oh you realize. I know the vp is a is a how yes stacey. Abrams dispel mental talk about it. Talk about let's keep going when when they make you seem like you're not ready because she went to age you I'm just saying more ready us attention to starting what we already knew because the people close in interior and from each day. No oh yeah. We all know to sing on this. Oh yeah at this level ice. Now israel israel this is going gonna say a dream. Deferred is no longer gene for what you come on. This is these are the things that we really need to take notice of. He said so. No i i appreciate you bringing that back up because it's a great point Jim what was up. Oh anything else on that because you brought that up to. Abc's every episode. I ain't even go to women well technically and plus his. Hp would you can't revisit got a history library talking about clark. Oh gosh take one. we talk. but we're not. We're not doing doing what you've been touched o. J. right were fondled if you would. I'm so that's good chris. Good i was over the line like come on. I'm now it's consensual. Just the word. Fondue alone is relegated. No i thought we left that in twenty this for teeth. Going using. Anything can kendrick lamar. She says list of top twenty five favorite albums of all time. First of all twenty five albums would have to sit and think about like. I gotta get out some two for twenty five a lot of albums. Yeah anyway so he had. The usual suspects was super west. Coast heavy give me the ones that that stuck out to. You could be jays on twice. Okay should've known what number he's at nine and he's at twenty five. Okay wait wait. What was it nine. Gotta be blueprint. Blueprints brings either. So it's gotta be reasonable. Doubt reasonable doubts at nine. Okay okay. i'll allow And he has the black album at twenty five gave him the argue with that now. I'm jay zone twice a what's number seventeen. Seventeen is the hot boys wound up. I would have thought out five. He okay okay. Doggystyle is number. Four number right legitimately get it. I'm not i hate it. Until now the the chronic and number three okay a ice cube death certificate is number two okay and this is the one where i was looking at and i was like one number one. And it's not it's not it's not trash is but they can't be number one away for. Dj quick quick is so you hate dj quick translates into internet internet. It's really just get in and actually that is legit album. But it's not number one this. But but i understand. He's a west coast kid. And i know different fan so since you since you said we. Are we here now. Oh here we go. So you hate me translated. -nology give us your three most influential albums. You're going to be kendrick for a minute. Since you've got a problem with his top five not even plan my his listen to you. Do you want me to go. Do you want me to show fan five. No i'm the only doing three three Slick rick misadventures Shopco quest midnight marauders. Number one was an order. Should i was gonna come catch up should be. I should do something like that right and you did. You should spend a places actually do tonight. What should i do tonight. Will yard be popping crew midtown subject on thursdays nice commercial in is this is number one. That's underway to one number one. I'm sorry i don was it. No i wasn't my favorite album. Deers the dark side of my favorite. Yeah he definitely is like ninety two ninety four hundred ninety two no ninety four anyway. I'm getting old the good parts. My number one is most fluential album hip hop album to me. Which i i'm lost. Come on take a guess knowing me. Tampa butterfly close okay. I'm sitting here going. I know it's got to be one of them got it. What is it is dan. Wow that was a good album. That was a great album. Tim i'm surprised it was damn over. Pimple you know why because we'll talk about this so i this is why i say damn was more influential to me because they were close but to prepare. That would probably my top five Because kendrick as an opponent as an artist he got to fully evolve and represent present us a project that he always wanted to do and not a lot of artists hip hop rock. Whatever come to get to that level and it still be received like i think to pimp a butterfly. I had better music influence. What not to pippa butterfly wasn't as hold on where my face and so two per butterfly. Because i'm a diehard kindred fan right to butterfly was so controversial like i love everything about butterfly but it didn't get the outside no. You didn't get the audience that needed because it wasn't received the way it was supposed to okay a point. Go ahead yeah. i'm with you. I wasn't saying anything against it because we just already know. just wait. a second dam was like one of those albums to where that's it that's the thriller. Yeah that's the thrilla. Yeah and it's hard for him. It's going to be hard for him to top it That's his thriller. Put the battery in his. 'cause is going to be hard for him to comment he's two. Gop would so i. This is why. I prefer this question. Top influentials soanes or most impactful songs to me over the normal top five because the top five always. There was a what goes away from common sense usually to just people's personal favorites right so i tell people i don't even have that top five mc conversation anymore. Because i really feel like a big time right you know what i mean so so opinion when you get to ask questions like worcester. Top five. Most influential most impactful. Then you get to tell the story behind. What i'm saying right now. You can delve into without people actually just being so quick to attack. You know what i mean. Unless it's like a quick look at risk of sounding like a hater at risk. No you are here. What anybody tackle this before we move on rabbi. Yeah we do. But i will say that my appreciation for to pimp a butterfly Didn't come when it was out at. That makes sense like like i. I didn't hate it when i came out But i think months later. When i go back and i was like oh This would not always. I know i was like no. I don't think trash. I was like but i'll go back and listen to the even. Now you're dead. Ask right right now. And like the relevance in what he's saying in it from then and that's two albums though no one of them will go. Yeah so he's technically to cause the untitled album. I told you i heart. Listen i forgot. Gpa heavy d's one of my biggest influences but isn't him on top five rapids on my top five gp. Can you stick to the question whether if you're going to exist recipes first of all but i thought you were going to say Heavy d whenever these projects. Moving your most influential but on the fly d-fly fat light skinned do behind. You did that right him. And i have a we hear now. We are here now. A couple of houses where we get out of here and it was up in aceh. She left people with bsn bad vibes in twenty twenty and talking to miners got to to do it. Gotta do. don't let him back in. She won't when she should do it. That's my people's right there. Oh wasn't going to say. Oh you so tonight once again if you in atlanta Crewmate town be on throwback thursday. It's a man. I know people say that but crews already viable next week. 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Preparing Our Children for the Path of Life With Jennifer Garner

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50:34 min | 10 months ago

Preparing Our Children for the Path of Life With Jennifer Garner

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Fresh inspired ingredients to help you clean clarify, strengthen, and reinforce shine and color vibrancy from root to tip every one of those hair care products are safe for color treated hair and are free from parabens, sulfates and dies find the latest harm to shower Vino, hair care products at Walmart dot com or on Amazon and visit Avena Dot Com to learn more. Being a mom is the toughest job there is, and it doesn't come with instructions. So it's okay. If you don't have all the answers, we'll figure it out together this mom brain for the Larrea Baldwin and Daphne us. Hey guys welcome back to mom brain. I'm Daphne, and Malaria, and today we are very excited to welcome a very special guest on my brain. We are talking with the one and only Jennifer. Garner we all know that she is an amazing actress but she is also an a producer and an entrepreneur. We're going to talk about her organic food line once upon a farm, which I'm a huge fan of her work to feed children during the pandemic with Amy Adams and Save the children her involvement with camp by Walmart. She's doing so many wonderful things and where we Feel. Like we're in quarantine in his little groundhog day every single day she is looking out and she is saying, how can I give during this time and not just give to my my home but how can I reach out an help other homes and other people who might not have the same resources as I do she is also going to teach us about her revolutionary Muffin cake and also share in incredible list of Great Children's literature that she loves in that I'm so excited to scoop up. So without further ado here is our amazing conversation with Jennifer. Garner Nothing that. I'm, JEN and I. Of St two girls and a boy I ask from West. Virginia and I live in California and I. WORKED FOR SEGA Children I'm an actor and once upon a farm or three things that I do and that's really eh but I'm happy to reach. And where can we follow you? Well, I am on Instagram Jennifer dot burner I'm on facebook too. So yeah, that's funny. Please do fun. It is fun and you actually ear your instagram is it always makes me laugh it's got a good balance of thanks. Good. Thank you. Is a tricky thing. Isn't it guy fat hotels tricky thing did it's with that. How are you holding up? How are you holding up with all this craziness? Well, I think as wral is anyone could be it's interesting. I. Was just saying that we all we are there's really no answer other than lucky. Grateful. Just, the best possible position right before I talked to you guys I do these meetings with kids over miracle. Children's network could just say, hi to kids who are stuck in the hospital during all of this and I was chatting with them and thought well, I always like you don't have to look hard for perspective you know. So yes, we're doing great and it's also such a roller coaster I feel like just in talking to my girlfriend's or people that I work with were all of on the same where one week we're all. Hey all right, and then the next week we're okay making plans for making it work and you know Kobe but it's a tragic isn't it? It is and that's definitely gratitude is something that gets us through every single day whenever we`ve been complaining about you know things on no just like take it back. It could be so much worse than first of all, we're healthy. We have a home, we have resources and there's so much to be for. It's hard with I mean my kids are are pretty young. So they love being around us all the time, but they do get to the point where. They're like, well, we WANNA go back. I don't think that's going to happen or I try to talk to them about being grateful, and that's a little bit more difficult for them to to to really trying to teach a child that this the what is provided for them that they're reality isn't everybody's reality at a very young age is is difficult I don't know that. I think it's hits don't need to know that yet. They're allowed to take that for granted and as long as you live in gratitude, I really do believe as they grow older it'll all happen really naturally where they will really I mean I I know that for all of us are kids are growing up with a lot of privilege and. You can't force gratitude you can't teach it. You can't. You just have to embody it in live it, and then I just think it's one of those things that your children will absorb I. Love what you said Y'all have to look hard to perspective I think that's such a wonderfully simple way to remember that. It's all around you. This idea of of appreciation gratitude ended corollaries but I I'm so curious. So we experienced the beginning part of boring teen as a family of eleven it was my parents might mean my three other siblings. My entire family are for kids my husband everybody and it was really interesting to see how these different age ranges started to accept information that was coming in and dealt with the blows that they felt in different ways. I'm so curious since your kids are a little older than ours are and they aren't, as you said, becoming more adult like independent in thinking and have their very strong other own opinions about things. How did you help them? Like navigate what I'm sure was a like in the world of teenager not being able to go to school or not being see your friends or go to prom really whatever it is. That's a crushing blow in in a lot of these. How do you help them feel? Not and and help them cope in at any ideas for slightly older children who don't just trust everything that comes out of their parents. Mouth is Gospel Yeah. Well they didn't always year. Okay. It wasn't. Okay. Tying to leave on my daughter, my middle was in fifth grade. She had her bury favourite teachers in the whole school a who she had third grade had moved up to fifth and she in that class with her best friend being challenged being excited, she lift for it and it was a big deal for her. She's very social that was is just she just had a really hard time and so now you know at the beginning, it was like, what can we do know when it first started I, kind of started us in with a weakened do hard things dinner conversation and with a notebook open. I always. With a notebook open in Lake let's talk about what we're going to need to do to be successful, and we're going to need to just be really kind with each other give each other space we're going to need to really find ways because they're big enough to. You know we know that the way to feel better is reaching out. So who in our church? Who in our lives could we be giving to in order to feel we know that we need to be safe? We're GONNA clean on Saturday. We just made a plan and we didn't always follow it but it gave us something to go back to you and then it really just sucked sometimes of course for everyone. On a couple of kids were really fine with zoom. They were just really happy that we were all cozy together. I have one who's feeling a little more paranoid about Cova. So it was. Great that we were. So close down in one who is desperate to get out. So it's just it's different for everyone and now it's like, okay going into the new school year. What are we gonNA, do how we can make this work because my middle daughter started saying me mom might bring repelling anything the teachers tried to tell me over zoom I'm not hearing it anymore and God bless her teacher who showed up in our driveway to talk through because she was A. student this amazing brain brilliant soon, and she sailed everything. We had to we had to really you know drill down together how we can make this work for her. It's just not all that you can't make it all. Okay. You know isn't that its own lesson to I feel like a lot of so alarming Evan parents for roughly seven years call it, and that was like a a novel moment where you realize that. If you've been a highly achieving person are you a like type? Any personality? You thought that reading a book or like they were set rule that you could follow him and you get the you know that was a very comfortable place to live in parenting is a daily affirmation that not getting every question right or not getting every answer right or not always having the solution is sort of par for the course. But obviously, this throws everything even into more of a tailspin. I'm curious because I do think that that's. Something that is being highlighted for any parent who has. Multiple kids you see how differently they're all taking your adding in. An and trying to remember that you have to be a different parent. Each of your children is a really crazy you know. Ends I'm. Back that was, it's not a question. It's more just like a yes I. Agree. I also, you know every day with parenting a fresh start to get it right or a fresh start to try something new is an experiment. It's a lifelong experiment in the way and yes, you can follow the books and I do I was definitely someone who when I was little I was very much prepared path for my child i. was like you know Oh, she's not being so every would be quiet you know what I mean Yes, it's not until I had my third that I learned to prepare my child's path instead of preparing the Padma, my child, and that is something that I I heard once in it's one of those little parenti things that has really stuck with me. Of course, it's going to be hard. Of course you know I feel the same way about resilience that I do about gratitude you can't tell your child be resilient. That's so condescending be resilient. You'll be resilient. Why are your time? You know it's Time you that. You. Point out to them. You know what's happening right now is that you are rising to a really tough occasion and I am seeing something in you. That is I. Hope you're really feeling product because this is not easy and you're doing it. 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Recently, a lot of people are coming forward and talking about how we tend to try to just make everything better like let me just make it better. Let me think you feel better and then our kids aren't learning how to cope on their own and exactly that they are resilient in. So many ways on their. Own, if, we just step back and we're there to listen and support and be there for things that they ask for. But that actually them learning sort of the Ark of difficulty, the Ark of pain arc of a Tantrum the Ark of heartbreak is extraordinarily important for them to see that they can get to the other side and that they can do it. Much on their own steam, and then you know talking about depression rates and suicide rates and stuff like that that they're saying that it actually teaching them to sort of sit with difficult experiences makes them capable of being stronger happier people later on when things get a little bit tougher totally you know it's the old thing of narrating it for them. So that in just showing your own call about the hard thing that they're going through recant, this is your this is awful. I can see I think that's probably true to the same. When your are little and they fall down and if you freak out, they freak out and if you're going to be okay, they're they're okay but it's interesting how much parents end up setting the tone four how I'm sure kids are internalizing everything goes on the in their daily life in this current moment being being of a very formative one for anyone. Mum, how do you? How do you keep yourself same palm happy like Br laxed whatever however you replenish yourself what's your? What's your favorite way to do that I like a routine Really realize getting set in my ways. Variety. I always. Start Making. With a workout and I, I realized that I'm super spoiled I've had a trainer for. Since I was a peanut and it's just somewhere that I really need someone telling you what to do, and now I can't do it over a class on zoom or over you know an APP I can't I can do it but I'd like to have a buddy to work out. So the ladies who worked at my house May Assistant Bo whose who quarantined with us from the beginning. We were doing sable stories that she was just she has moved into the guest room and my kids nanny also just slaughtered right end. So it's actually really fine because it's you know a bunch of women taking care of what needs to be taken care of, and we the three of us tell the kids you're on your own and we workout together every day and that's fetish huge part of it, and then I have to be doing something that is looking out i. just always feel like I don't know it's it's too easy to to naval gaze has to have some some kind of focus. Out in the world and what can we do to be helpful that just makes me feel better and then yeah. Then otherwise it's just I duNno, we're allowed to curse on this. Yeah paths. Reminds Decision Joe you know it's just like One kid needs this while the other needs this while you're supposed to be on zoo today, I was on a conference call early in had two kids your being funny and they weren't getting that it wasn't a time. They could be funny and they kept trying to yell at the people on the call and I, and they weren't getting it and I had to force re scraped on often go the you know. I didn't know that you you did or do once upon a farm. Yeah. Love that ladies you like it and tell me Your Laker, your total. I'm one of the founding one of the cofounders love that we've discovered as a possible at three three years ago because remember three years, three years and I love it because it feels like real food. You know for me. It was the first thing I had seen that I said, okay I would have bought this I would have used this. This would really help me 'cause steaming. You know the whole and now the the kids snacking the dairy free yogurt is with no sugar added in the overnight oats which you might have to get on online where you guys live. But those are great snacks for me and my kids love him in the protein from pumpkin seeds. So I love the company I love the mission behind the company I love the food itself and I'm just super proud of it. Yet I loved the packaging as well. It did feel like like what feels like a fairytale I was like oh Out It's real food and because I'm always trying to you know kids kids are kids and they want to have their snacks and then but trying to give them snacks that are good for them and at one point like the other day with no more snacks because you guys have stopped eating meals totally. Oh my gosh it's worse I feel like I threatened that once a week if I have some snacks. For, into it. going. To snack, you might as well make it fruits and Veggies, right? Exactly. Right and it's still functional I. Love I. Love It. It's refrigerated I think that. Once you start to go down the path of learning about what they have to do to make shell stable baby food shelf stable snacks like lasts forever and ever it's definitely makes you a very grateful to have like fresh refrigerated. Just. Helpful. No sugar added snacks in general and I I do think that it's you know it's just like it's helpful to as as you. As you said, it's helpful to have a snack that like as a mom if you need to just eat it yourself, it's Not It doesn't why do you think about the way we've always thought about. Anything like this whether it's baby kids like this like I would no more have. Gobert. I should say that, Nevada. I it's. Like it's just gross. They get kind of the trope is how disgusting this food but then meanwhile, we all talk about well, I feed my dog human great food and right fancy way. What is what's happened here? Why is this? Why can't we just eat our kids real real food it's possible and I love that it's I thought this was a huge win i. saw this in the news when it happened a huge win for you guys to be a approved crude thing. Yeah. The because I have to say like. Being able to achieve that level of scale and be able to be available to families, women, children, infants who desperately need access to to any kind of fresh produce and especially high quality fresh voters in a really functional format. I thought it was like I just I was clapping for you over here does immune it wasn't the reason to get into business with that. And John for the the other four co-founders. Casandra Curtis are eras John. Myself in John's CEO and he and I would we met he was just an investor and I was just meeting kind of within the was investors or somebody I was really interested in because I just wanted to know why he likes the company. It was tiny. It was really they were. Small handful stores and when we met I said you know Mike might issue with it is you can't just beat beating kids in Connecticut Beverly Hills there has to be you know there has to be some you just you seen too many families in rural America struggling. Who just don't have access to this kind of nutrition at all or taste or vibrant color flavor in their kids are growing up without this sensitivity Palette. Whatsoever could bear it said, okay. We'll have exactly the same way, and so we we handshake I made if you're in, we came in at the time and that was our total mission. Now we just have to you know it's just it's hard to get with approved every state right now we got California which is a big deal and then just making sure Walmart has been huge partner in in making sure it's available. Yeah. That's our snatches your, but there's always You. Know we're so lucky to have access to fresh fruits and vegetables, and so there a bashes such a big win. Around the my mom off. 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They'll never forget just look at the services tab of the Walmart APP and that's where you can find camp. This is something I. Feel I have to ask because I'm I feel like I saw a picture of it at some point you on like giant tractor on a farm and say it was your farm deal arm. Arm I have well, it's my house family fire Oh my mom. In this tiny little world out in Oklahoma called Lucas growth and my uncle had taken over. And he was living there my uncle, Robert was a plumber for forty years and. I called him once I started joy westbound farm. I called a call Robert said, do you mind learning how to become a far? And so he did he might you Janet we have that biodynamic farmer they're the only organic biodynamic farmers in the area might go and so this is Jim comes down and coaches them, and then they do it and they are grow food for wants to fire. I mean I'm as he adds to the price I'm Ashley GonNa Find My way there and harvest sweet potatoes in a couple of weeks and I cannot wait because we have a new tractor and I can't wait to be on it and I love that farm so much I was going to ask if you feel like you've you rack she will I have this fantasy of one day? You know embracing like the inner. Martha and going into my farm and having my luscious produce. That might my black thumb doesn't kill and everything working out as it shed Do you feel like farm life is is is excellent to into your loving deep. There's something so gratifying about. Growing, your own food and you're getting your extra chicken I mean I just end it just it feels good. It feels like you know how good it feels when you put a meal on the table and it's just that much relief participating in growing. The last time I saw your. Staff. Writer to do this Joe and he started asking me like Oh what are you? What do you like? Better he started asking me all these personal questions about how I felt about Martha Stewart and thank. God. I really do love her. It was nice banner because he surprised me and had her come out. As she. Surprised me and I almost had a heart attack because. Looking like made fun of her. You don't make fun of this you right now what am I owning? Number One. He's For Real. Pretend to be. Surprise. I was really surprised. You can tell him I said I haven't gotten and didn't tell I will let him know scarring is still very Right. Yeah That's me. I'm horrified. But so great that it worked out. Well. It's amazing experience for the kids as well to see how food is is made and it changed and we have we have a garden here. We don't have a farm, but we have we have a pretty big garden and then I mean I I love to cook. So I'd always being the supermarket pre cove in being like, what am I gonNa make for dinner the analogy like all right I need basil and you get like few sprigs of like. Basil a now I realize they're like it's ridiculous. How expensive Basil is because Basil is so easy to grow have too much of it. We will never that that mint and Rosemary. So much of this and I'm just like guys what what are you doing in the supermarket? In the city we return back to hopefully normal life one day. Hopefully, totally going to like make one of those like herb gardens just like in our apartment I can. satisfying. Having a whole farm, you just need to grow something temper kids to understand. They just need to put a seed in and then watered a couple times and then have it be something they can eat and kids Willie meant or Kale or basil write off anything you can pick yourself. You're so much more likely to eat. Yes. Yes and camp get fresher than them alarm about a long island and there are a farmers markets everywhere in the produce is just so beautiful and it's been reminding me how wonderful it is to feel inspired to to go shopping your every day roughly by small quantities and just you know just make that day but to be inspired to create something new decrease. In fresh off to work that hard honestly because the itself is so lovely Kinda does although having left for you and absolutely my kids feel more like we have this rule that you try everything once. So I'm not gonNA fight with them endlessly to eat the whole plate or eat the whole meal or whatever. But that I want them to feel proud of having the courage if you call it that but really just like the ability to change their habits, the ability to do something novel, which humans centers have a very difficult time doing is great and I think that you have done a lot to make sure that cooking spun in your family eating together as fun in your family. Obviously, for many outside your family. But I have to tell you I've kind of fallen in love with your save with stories campaign to because food food inspiration I find easy to find great children's books and like continuing to stimulate my kids emotionally through wonderful literature feels harder actually sometimes because I you know I feel like I pick up all these kids about hope hoping they're going to be great and. I'm so grateful to I. Bind greater conditions. My kids love to watch them I. think that it's like talk a little bit about that campaign and why it was so important to you to create. The night that everything shut down, but was it the thirteenth of March? Maybe twelve bar dwells arrives the. Amy Adams called me and said, you know I've been thinking about the kids who rely on school for food and this is the area that I work at I work in rural America and I work in poor rural America and so half a dozen years I had just come back from a trip to Eastern Kentucky the week before that same week like as everyone's I don't travel on like hanging out I gotta do one word. Ban Visiting in Sacramento with Governor you some actually I had been there that day on the twelfth guys with him as he's trying to shut down the state where like okay. But can we talk about educating kids in the Central Valley? You know? All different parts of California. This is just like the love of my life exists little job that I have for them. Although kitchen by meet, I don't get paid breath out surpassed John. So. Anyway. When he called me I said actually I can help. You do that I do know that organizations that can do this. Let's let's get to work. So that weekend just went bananas with. My friends and colleagues at Save the children and you know we just kind of we called Hungary and said what you partner with us because we know that we have different expertise, we have kids that we reach kids they reached they probably need help with educational supplemental materials. We know that thirty five percent of kids in rural America don't have access to broadband and we have they are have expertise. In helping feet. So we knew that that would be a great match and then it was it started off like with scholastic I. Had we have a friend there through save and colleague billions and can you give us any titles rights to any titles at all and then once we got rolling, you know as soon as reese witherspoon signs on this something that you have a little bit of A. Of. A movement. Allied? Verse Call Horse and she. Wants. She didn't then I had something to point to you to call publishers and say, can we please have then it just got to be so much fine because I love more than anything our kids books, I taught kids books all day long. Yes. I need your recommendations by got the Oh at the end of this totally recommendation. So I was going through just in my mind like spitting out titles or going through my house, and than we were going specifically to publishers saying, okay here today's lists and then I had these awesome books that I would have personalities, actors, athletes come in and the only i. want you to read this and then I got to put him together. So it's a lot of letter writing organizing posting week. Did it all Mona did from my house all of Indiana's idea and it was it was great. We raised millions of dollars. Wow saying why it's I mean it's such A. It feels simple but. The best ideas are the simple ones that just pair but I had no idea how much like who were nation and rights getting involved obviously later. Everything's always a little trickier the agrees. With it really hits quarantine off, it was six solid weeks of working around the clock. That's why my nanny was living with this because I did nothing but I was just like. We were a hundred percent single stories, but it started off with so much energy. There is so much positivity around it. Still I mean it still were still accepting donations leaving ten dollars to hear if you text two, zero, two, two, text, the word save ten dollars US amazing as may end it also during this time anything that you can feel like you're putting some positivity into the world, he just feel like you have a purpose you. Know. There's so many days I think with quarantine. That is just like the say WanNa wake up and I'm going to do the same thing over and over and over again and and having some sort of like purpose and feel like you're having some influence out out there even though you're in here, it changes your mood tremendously. Will you measure doing that you're doing that here in reaching MOMS in talking about what's on in helping them get through it. I'll. Stick around for my mom often this. You guys. If you follow me, you know that I am obsessed with hair health and scalp health, Venus, farm, Sharon's part haircut collections include clarifying blends that help remove build up on the scalp where you're hers glamorous always an especially very nice right now. Yeah like. A lot of this has to do with using products that are not damaging and are going to. Give special vitamins and allow for lots of hydration and you guys are always asking me what kinds of products I am using and the bottom line is these are products that are without parabens without self. It's definitely no sulfates because it's so drying for your hair. So I'm very, very impressed with with Avinoam. We are really really big Avena fans over here Venus farm to shower inspired haircare collections include colloidal Haute as the very first ingredient in this scalp soothing blend of Venus Farm Sharon's part haircare collections are safe for color treated hair avenues farm to shower inspired. Haircare collections are blended to clean, clarify, and reinforce shine and color vibrancy from root to tip find the latest farm to shower Vino haircare products at Walmart dot com or on Amazon and visit. AVENA DOT COM to learn more. How are you by dealing with your kids getting along with each other is everyone getting on each other's nerves or were you do for that? I feel like we're lucky in terms of tell me if you agree daphne because we all right now we have the same amount of kids reluctant. We have so many kids. So close together because there is built in playmates of course, they also picked each other off. and. It's amazing because like my oldest two are twenty years, one months apart and they're either like the best friends are the worst enemies in it's girl boy girl boy boy boy and She feels very angry about it but anyway so she's you know they the other day they were playing and I'm sitting there watching them unlike, yes, this is what I wanted to be i. don't want you guys to be fighting time and I'm thinking like having this whole thing in my head and then they start screaming at each other and I'm like. Well, what just happened but I don't get too involved amendment like sorted it out, and then they were like best friends in hogging again. So I feel like it's just so much. But then I have like a three year old and my three year old three is tough age. So just a just depends three year old and a two year old in the. Now. I know. I. Had three boys in less than three years alarm. I have the reverse. So she has three boys in the girl I have three girls and a boy. It's pretty interesting actually to compare notes on like high estrogen versus high testosterone content in the home. But I would say that what I do notice similarly like my little to get along pretty much with everyone might my third? My second youngest daughter is very independent kind of on her own. She says, terrier she's very like I'm doing my thing you can't bother me and mice la youngest who will be a year on Friday is a Leo like party animal wants to be in everything with everyone but just like very easy my oldest two are high high. Intensity personalities very dramatic and they are each other's back best friends but they definitely, it's also same as laureate girl than a and my son gets like I rate that his sister is slightly i. mean literally an inch bigger than he is unlike slightly faster and more coordinated than he is or so they'll be racing and of course, you can't let him win like it has to be outright victory ache and what I found is actually that. They will get really angry with each other and they'll be a lot of screaming out here. Again I try not I don't WanNa be the person who has to come into fix it all the time because I don't think you learn anything from conflict that's resolved by like some hand of God. You know it doesn't get violent I just let them kind of deal with it themselves but I have noticed is on occasion especially the bulk of the last six months just with each other. I'll eventually say like, okay, you can't play together anymore for fifteen minutes and by the end of fifteen minutes because it's now a like removed from their. They're like buying this hurriedness limits very, very bad but I it has worked really at their ages. It's worked very well to be like imagine even in these fifteen minutes that you didn't have your best friend to play with all the time very quickly they come back to thick back to the but I'm sorry, I mean yours are what are they linked two years apart each of them three years three years I have fourteen eleven. Mine. Assume. But. You have two girls and a boy yeah. I have girl girl boy. I cannot let you go without your book recommendation we asked about that Taber things but I feel your favorite things should be kids books because best to know what your recommendations are. You have all the side eight, a scientist you have. Now what is on IGGY PAT architects. There's a whole series of them your kid's in the right age for those sue check those out of fun. Authors. Love. Christie. Jason he was he's a big illustrator but he has if I built a cars I built a house. Yes it. Don't has once that aren't as well known like Randy rallies really hit. which is great for boys brace. Circus. Great. Great. Great anything. MARLA frazee does she said illustrator but she also did she did this pulpit cycle real wish fulfillment information kids called. A COUPLA boys have the best week ever in. It's about two best friends who go to camp together and it's really simple. But her illustrations tells such a story she illustrated on eaters, for example. Owed eaters you guys with your big families. It's about a family with seven kids in every child went something different to. And the Rhineland hit the rhythm of it is really just a fine Marion Hoberman just like has really. Invented Bouncy Ryan. So it's perfect read aloud your kids the perfect age every one of them will identify with somebody in this book and you will definitely identify with the poor mom. That's a great one Oh my gosh, I feel like I need to like sit down and make you guys a list lead. This is amazing. I had not except for how to build a house I have not heard of a single one of these titles I am so grateful in excited because I read our our favorite bucks a thousand times. When last went what was your favorite to read to your oldest daughter's because we both have all stars like seven or eight where we just finished the secret garden were starting of the princess and the Goblin right now yeah I still read to. My fourteen year old finally will not let me return. Still, re to my eleven year old were ringing the Pearl by Steinbeck. It's so dark. I cannot believe she set a goal for herself to reach twenty classics this summer, and so the things she's reading right now she's reading of mice and men and Sarah. Your heart is gonNA break. This is a really sad plenty. But soon as she's doing it. But it just gets better and better I mean for me. That's like I don't feel confident as a parent, but I do feel confident in my bedtime. GM that they have to let me read to them Salmon In the middle of the sixth nary potter I slow played as long as I could I finally just decided to. The ads. I've read them out loud now three times and they never get old but gosh, on role doll your kids your big kids at the right age for all Rhode dial. If you can get through Charlotte's Web without crying Charlotte's web beverly cleary although they move a little more slowly anything you might remember if you're going to do little house in the prairies, don't start with the first one sturt his. Her first win is like a little slower start with the second. That is like the best advice ever. So I am reading Harry Potter to my oldest one and I was like, Oh, it'd be really fun to also read Little House books at the same time I don't know why but we just decide and then Alec decided to start reading little house books in the first one, the woods one into. The big woods yet it's all about she's like this is a cooking book. and. I don't eat meat she again it's all about me. So I don't understand. This is really The first one is like she was learning how to tell stories. So yes, get ahead and then once your kids I, love it you go back. Yeah. Got It. Thank you so much they take. Healthy. Guys that was our conversation with Jennifer Garner. She is such a fun mom and she's so motivated and I love how she uses her influence to to help children everywhere. It's extraordinarily inspiring I'm GonNa go also visit our farm one day it sounds amazing. I know her arm sounds fun. Doesn't it? You find those moms who are in your kids schools and you're like very happy for your kids to go over to their house because you know they're gonNa, do incredible like cross and cooking and like great thing. Because you need a snack. So definitely wish that she had kids in my children's classes. And also, just I totally appreciated the simplicity of up some of the wisdom that she was sharing with us that. Absolutely the looking outward absolutely though perspective is everywhere and the reality of like. You're not always going to have all the answers as as all knowing mom as much as we wish that we all did and the idea of letting letting kids. Growing up kids teenagers like she has experienced. The challenge without trying to always mitigated always make it better right away to give him an opportunity to to not just growth through it but also to have you say like you should be so proud of yourself for living through this really challenging experience and what you're taking away from it was going it's going to make you stronger. I thought that was really helpful and yeah definitely the ability to fill your body with nourishing food and fill your table with a great plan and a great like strategy and an idea that makes you feel like you're doing something for me throughout the course of. All these months of. You know day after day feeling like it's it's groundhog day and it's also sort of under irving has new weird things he getting introduced. I have been trying to dream big focus small which I think people have said before as like A. Way To, get what you want in life type of advice but I think in this instance, it's were none of us are gonNA know the future none of us are going to understand the huge complexity of of everything going on in the world right now. But if you focus on the little things, you can control you focus on everyday for your family making making a plan to do good things for yourself into good things for people around you I think I think that it makes it more manageable. So loved our conversation, of course because everybody loves to. And now it's time for our favorite things. Now it's time for our fame who yes. So my favorite thing today is something that is ever evolving I've had this really weird thing that's happened to me this pregnancy, which is my skin has been so dry like in like the Freesias craziest way dry and I feel like every single pregnancy has like some new like trip. It's leave of how it's going to torture you and I was proud of a grateful and I'm like super excited. You know know meet my baby soon but it's just an interesting experience. and. I am somebody I'm like you know very focused on moisturizing and I've at this point haven't. Yet had stretch marks through my pregnancy. I know that a lot of that has to do with. A genetics but I think that moisturizing staying hydrated also contributes to it. So I got started getting really nervous. When's like literally may skin was like healing and not just on my belly like my legs my neck, my face it was like the weirdest thing ever. And so I started doing something that's not very green which you guys all know that I'm like little miss try to be as green as possible. So it's like again evolving maybe you guys can write to US Momberg potted Jamal Dot Com and get some other ideas. But what I've been doing is I've been lathering my belly up with cream and then I wrapped myself in Saran wrap that just seems so much more uncomfortable to me. He needs to know tell you something no, it's actually I felt like I could move again. It was so dry that anytime like I moved it felt like I was racking Oh So dry and it felt amazing and obviously you don't want to be careful with the heat and you don't WanNa rap too much of yourself because you wanNA suffocate but like I literally have been doing this I did it for like three or four days in Michigan is back to normal wearing love that you're talking you literally like wrap yourself in Saran wrap and just like. I just do my belly I just do my bally, but you back to was like every bliss truly everything was dry and I'm putting so much Cleveland. But then like the cream then alzon isn't. Instead of your body, so I wrapped in a needle even on for too long. But like a nice solid like our to let it like see like go in and I'll do like twice a day you know what I mean like in the morning after take my bath and the night after take my bath life-changing. Okay. So guys can think I'm crazy Alec laughs at me. He's like I can't even look at you when you're doing your like treatment unlike you know what does leave me alone I'm really pregnant beat the you know what out of you? But yes. So that's my new thing and I'm sure that there's probably more green versions but like during Cova D- I'm just going with what I can get. My hands on. Some my favorite thing today is shontae lip tint hydrating bomb but tell you. I. Love this product because we're out of the right now and you know when you put on lip color in the summertime, you really want your lips to be hydrated. It's very important. But you only want kind of like sheer coverage because I bet like a very serious lead is hard to maintain when you're out and about running with the kids and it's hot and everything else. So I needed something I can put on without having a mirror that like I'm not nervous I'M GONNA get Oliver my face and I wanted to be really hydrating and I wanted to not be taxed like some getting along rely on the gloss when they're out of the beach or. At Pool or something. But. Then your hair like blows in the women's suddenly you're just cousin it would like Herald Your Lips Uti some arm. Anyway all say this lovely Leslie hydrating. Lip Balm shot the guy is not tacky at all. It's super smooth and. And just eat all and I've been living in this color Verbania which Philomena keeps trying to steal from me but I have gotten back today. It's worrying right now actually anyway that's my favorite thing right now because it's just made like application in the summertime very easy. All right guys rate reviews subscribe follow US mom brain. pod At gmail.com you guys now where everywhere share with your friends help us build our community it's been really amazing. You know this This forum gives. US, just as much as it. It gives to others. So if you've always saying, wow, you're as Jennifer said, she says, you're giving back. You know so much with this and I'm like you've no idea how much this gives me and how much I learn and my wheels are pressing. We're having these conversations. So thank you guys for being you. And and we'll. We'll talk to you guys next week. Thanks down. This mom brand with alario Baldwin and Jaffna's. Membrane Gallery Media Group original production.

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Olympians: Elizabeth Wilkinson

Encyclopedia Womannica

05:28 min | 2 weeks ago

Olympians: Elizabeth Wilkinson

"Hello from wonder media network. I'm jenny kaplan and this is encyclopedia. Were manteca fighting has long been deemed amends round. That's true in the world of sports as well as in war but women had been contenders in the ring for centuries today we're talking about a star boxer from eighteenth century england meet elizabeth wilkinson little is known about elizabeth wilkinson. She was likely born in the early seventeen hundred. She worked to hone her skills at her preferred sport as a student at a training academy founded by james fig the first recognized bare knuckle boxing champion fig and other fighters at the time took advantage of the increasingly literate population to advertise their fights in newspapers. They would promote their next gig insult and challenge their opponents aggrandize their accomplishments. These papers are historical documents. Whose preservation fights the arranger of stories like elizabeth's what we do know about her life and career comes from the challenges. She printed in seventeen twenty two the london journal printed elizabeth's challenge to hannah yield another fighter. She wrote i elizabeth wilkinson of kirk. Well having had some words of hannah highfield am requiring satisfaction. Do invite her to meet me on the stage and box me for three guineas each holding half a crown in each hand and the first woman that dropped her money to use the battle. There's no record of elizabeth's coronation prior to this fight. That casts doubt on the certainty of her name. Some have suggested that she was born with another and later changed it to elizabeth wilkinson regardless after beating hannah highfield. Elizabeth became a regular fighter. In james figs boxing venues she dominated the ring and earned the nickname the european champion s at some point between seventeen twenty to seventeen twenty six elizabeth mary james stokes a fellow boxer and became elizabeth wilkinson stokes. They were often challenged pair. Elizabeth would fight the wife of the opposing couple and james. The husband on october first. Seventeen twenty six. The british tier published a challenge to elizabeth by an irish woman named mary. Welsh the fight would take place in the amphitheater. Elizabeth's husband own. Mary welches challenged red eye. Mary welsh from the kingdom of ireland being taught and knowing the nopal science of defense and thought to the only female of this kind in europe understanding. Here's one on this kingdom who is exercise on the public stage several times which mrs stokes who was built the famous champion acid england. I do hereby invite her to meet me an exercise. The awful weapons practiced on the stage at her own amphitheater doubting but to let her worthy spectators e that my judgment and courage is beyond hers. Though there's no official record of the result it seems elizabeth remained undefeated later. Elizabeth and james took on a challenge by mary welsh and irish partner robert baker elizabeth's career bolstered by challenges and boasts continued in the media through seventeen thirty. She was also an instructor to aspiring young boxers and featured their fights in her challenges. Though elizabeth primarily fought in boxing matches. She was also known for her skills with a short sword and dagger. Elizabeth defied gender roles. Still she was celebrated by many for her skills. She was praised for her prowess and was a fixture of national pride becoming even more popular than her teacher. James big she may be the most venerated female professional boxer in british history that said our understanding of the details of her life is limited by a lack of documents. We don't know what happened to elizabeth after her career came to a close. What we do know is that she was neither the first nor the last woman to defy gender norms to enter the boxing ring. Her success likely inspired others to do the same. This our final episode about olympians or women who maybe should have been olympians tune in tomorrow for our very exciting new theme for june. It's all about pride if you wanna learn more about why doing what we're doing. Check out our newsletter. Monica weekly follow us on facebook and instagram. At encyclopedia manica special. Thanks to lose kaplan my favorite sister and co-creator talk to you tomorrow.

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RHAP Rewind | MTV Cribs

Rob Has a Podcast

1:59:52 hr | Last month

RHAP Rewind | MTV Cribs

"This episode is brought to you by comcast over the next decade comcast is committing one billion dollars to reach fifty million low income americans with the tools. They need to succeed in a digital world. Learn more at comcast dot com slash education. Everyone's going on. Rob back here for the rha rewind and this week this is where the magic happens. We're talking m. t. v. cribs season sixteen episode twelve season eighteen episode twenty four both on paramount plus and here to break it all down once again. The great chapelle is here. Chapelle how are you. Oh rob thank you. Come on the show you around. Yeah that's in a nutshell. yes. I'm feeling i'm feeling good. Thank you for having me back. I'm very excited to talk to you about cribs. It's a show. I know very well and the meaning to revisit for awhile. So here we go. I'm happy to die right in and talk to you about it and we have another great panel here with us here to talk. Mtv cribs very excited to have with us too great guests. Course i You see her talking about married at first sight and of course On all the big brother. Canada recaps asia. Welches your age. And how are you. Hey rob of so. If you were here in my house i would show you all the stuff. I had my fridge and yogurt. That i don't eat the fruit like it's it's really packed full of stuff and you know we could. We could spend some time on that or not. Joe in this podcast. Everybody takes us on a tour of their house and see everything that's going on in the refrigerator. That's how we'll close this out for people to stick around and of course also with us here today very excited to have back with us. Jason rita's here. Jason how are you. I'm good have you back in the podcast. Sata with you. Where all the magic happens. Yes yes nice to have you back here The was there ever a crib spin off. I don't think so many spin inside of cribs these go on like little adventurous as like show you different places but like hotels stars would stay when they went to different places now was pinned my ride after cribs Any sort of like same idea as cribs are depend. My right was like around. After the first iteration of groups come scripts has had a few different iterations. But i m my ride was focus on like every day people an average joe getting your ride pimped and getting like a cotton candy machine in the back right. Yeah yeah definitely can fly. Because of the work. That cribs date. I think of two thousand and then my ride pulled up in two thousand fourteen several years of content to think. How can we make these rides. Just extravagant as we had some of these houses and they do really good job of embarrassing me quite honest. How can they showcase a charm personality of exhibit. Cribs here today if you missed it last week. Chapelle and i talked about nanny. Nine one one with kelsey rows. Mandi ages Rely friend that we have you ever had car chicken with Kelsey win when you go on road trips. no no. yeah but let's see the one the only road trip. We have gone through us to see you. Rob austin and then everything else. It's either just visiting each other or meeting up or seeing each other in casual places you know but we've never come across chapelle. Even though chapelle is close proximity houston. He joined the fun chicken ready. Yeah his craft. I have to thank to a you know. I've never heard of this asia person and so she told me about her. And i was like we gotta have her on the podcast and of course jason is here as well like reality. Tv historian that he is so rabbi. I thought this was a perfect panel for this discussion. Panel chapelle Can you tell us about your history with cribs. yeah okay. We can talk about this every week. I was watching the budget. Tv shows shouldn't have been watching and cribs was kind of one of the was that i could probably get away to like away with in most households as opposed to some of the things that i should not have been watching for sure. But crabs is like Lifestyles of the rich and famous. But for like you know the young millennial group that was coming of age around that time. It kind of gives you an insight into some of these celebrities homes and give you a glimpse of what is like to live a lavish hip-hop or like acting or movie lifestyle where you have a bunch of money expendable fines and you want to show off in front of all your friends and the rest of the world and so yeah. I appreciate all of that. It's something that. I will never see for myself but this is definitely something that i could watch. Child say like. Oh wouldn't that be cool if that happened It will never happen to me. Make no mistake. But looking at these other people and kind of living vicariously through them was my thing back then. So yeah a long history with the show jason. Is there a secret to making a good cribs episode like there are certain things that the celebrities wanna make sure they do or do not do the formula. Is you know show you. What's in my fridge. Show you might cars scarface posts. They're always got those something. like random. Like weird in there to differentiate yourself from everybody else. So that's that's kind of formula of credits. Asia are there any particular like a memorable. Like a breakout. People that have done cribs appearances. Yeah for what like one. That really sticks out to me was redman. Because his was so every day like he was he lived in a normal place like everyone else. You look around and see the things that read manner showing and he made it. It really allowed me to see as a younger asia that you don't have to go spinning blow on your money on some fancy plays like man and just by a regular house or by regular apartment and live like normal people but everyone else is just like these are these are like give you know when i got older. I realized that you know celebs. They have these houses and they don't stay in them. There have multiple. And don't see so then that really kind of mess. Things up for me. Because i watched this as a young child thinking like this is so cool. This is where they live. Oh my gosh. I can't believe that they have all these rooms. Only come to find out that like no. They probably don't stay there so you're saying the multiple houses just rent this house for mtv cribs houses like one in new york one. La l. show us the l. A. one but that's like their vacation home. Not the one that they live every day and then i'm thinking like oh what's like dinner like with their family in this place you know but then it's like they're not living that type of situation in the house. They're showing us were really broke. My heart was was when you find out that those cars are not actually. Their cars made us a rented the day my heart back in the day. Oh yeah we can get into that at the end. I have a list of things i want to discuss. I love shenanigans and cribs favorite cribs episodes. Oh yeah well. Like i used to say at the redmond episode is kinda because you get so many episodes that are pretty formulaic. Like jason was saying you open the frigerator. There's nothing in there but watering red bull. You know that kind of thing but we read man's house it was like hey i've been to this apartment before and if not. This is the apartment that i'm probably going to have and probably i probably have a similar. Apartments are read man curry moment. But yeah like so. That's the episode this out. But i remember i. All the celebrities had them. This was a popular format of said How what is lifestyles of the rich and famous with robin leach but also had a version card. How i'm living and say yeah. So i was watching all of them. I wanted to see all the rich fantasy stuff that people can do. So when one day. I save all my money so some plasma and do other things student loan payments i too can afford to You know a what is it. Golden toilet seat. Who had to go was it. Masterpiece had golden toilet seat. Yeah i think birdman had like a louis vuitton that these are the kind of things that appeal to shapiro. So you have a ton of favorite episodes but red man is number one with a bullet. Jason after a year of quarantine do you think that. Mtv cribs is now primed and ready to come back like we're ready to see where everybody has been living like. I and locked down for the last year. Yeah yeah go into literally was like yeah. This is my living room where i spent most of my my blankets where i just sit in washington on nothing else junk scatter on the table. yeah so how long has mtv cribs been off the air like. It's not still in these right now duke. Yeah at at this point history. Rob are we're kind of tired of looking at people's homes. I know i'm tired of seeing my own home. So maybe even if it were still on the air i doubt it would've it would've survived the pandemic. Yeah it looks like that. It lasts appeared as a snapchat series in Twenty seventeen eighteen season fluence or houses like those big conglomerate houses influencers tiktok houses. I think the high pals. Or whatever sway see i still this guilty obsession by just going on zillow and just looking up expensive neighborhood zoom in. Now let me look at this house. This house is five million. Let's see what it's like. This house is twelve million. Let's see how many rooms there are. Let's take a look at the pool right. That's true that is true. But i could also if i wanna see what kylie jenner is drinking. I can go to her instagram story. Because i guarantee it's there okay. So we have two episodes of cribs that were gonna talk through to give like a little bit of a sense of like what happens in an average cribs up so one is a celeb- teen episode chapelle with that. The whole season sixteen or did they occasionally do celeb- teen additions. No see criminals on for so long that they had to find ways to spice it up very similar to survivor so they would do stuff like oh this person. We saw their one grid. And we're gonna see the next creative. So like they would have episodes of people second homes or episodes of just athletes just rappers just movie stars to where you have like a theme for each episode and this episode was just like a one off theme they did. I won't say one off because they do it a couple of times. I mean there's six seventeen seasons of it so they repeat a lot of things but yeah so it was a very popular thing because celebrity like stand them back in the two. Thousands was very popular whether it was boy bands. Or you know like popstars. People were latching onto the lives of these young celebrities and so there was a market to show off. We know how these people were living. Okay in this season. Sixteen episode twelve We're gonna see three celebrities profiled. We're going to see soldier boy. We'll see little mama and we'll see the great mark indelicate. Oh yes delgado. Yes that is one and only yes. Mark kado the alma award winning actor who is from ugly betty at least one marking delic. Cada all right chapelle soldier boy. How do we get introduced to what he has going on. Okay so for the people who are like not familiar with soldier boy. His full name soldier. Boy tell them yes You gotta say tell them okay so tell them and soldier boy is a young team. Star is well. He made his claim to fame too like in youtube music video basically so he created a song and it went. Viral was one of the biggest viral sensations of all time. He pioneered this whole idea of you. Don't have to have a great song. You just have a good visuals dance to go along with it and so soldier boy was filthy rich. At this time i mean he was because he was like the poster boy of these things so in his home we get to see a lot of the influences. They go into that culture that he was a kind of fire nearing at the time. But yeah we start off when opening his door to a big cardboard cutout of soldiers were guarding his own door. And he's dressed like two thousand eight. And i love it. Notice he also had that same cutout in his living room multiple. It was in the living room and the coroner next his tv is that did he move it because now we're looking therm know. When he walked back to the stairs to go upstairs he still had the one by the door. So we have seen any one of those funny. Having two of those is sad. I just feel like he was following them around. Like you know was one of those. Those paintings with is just move as you want her out. That's what this guy is. It's a cardboard cutout just literally following him around the house because he says before you can come in the house you have to look into the eyes of the cutout and they've come in to come. Yeah that's like when you go into like a pyramid or something like that you have to get past that to like get in and set up the booby traps. Yeah you dodging the like the poison dart all the snake pit so i love this idea that i want to start to get the cardboard cutouts i. I need the cardboard cut out of me. I want all the podcasters have a car. Cardboard cutouts of just like Like in the background. No no good chapelle. I don't temperature patrons because they they love you dearly. You will walk outside tomorrow and there will be a big rob standing. There used to sell yours on the cbs online store. No no nebraska's podcast shop that we should sell like Like life-size evolve now that you really want really want you to do things to your car. What are people doing in my life. Size cutout you wouldn't even need us anymore. You just hop on a podcast and put like chapelle here thing required for this facebook friday you gonna do if i ended up being like basically like nuclear war happens it. I'm the only person that makes it. I just have to set up the cardboard cutouts. And i'm just gonna keep going with the podcast. It's going to be very jarring when you have your facebook friday like jason was saying like you like okay. We have jeff on the phone and jeffey standing next to rob So i like that good. good job. a soldier boy. Then i didn't know that he was the award winning the dirty award winning soldier. Boy tell them yes. Of course soldier boy won the dirty award in atlanta. You know he was proud to show it off. That's another thing that's very formulaic about about cribs is that we have a we have these celebrities. These stars these people that people hold too high regard is that they want to show off their awards. Soldier was very quick to show off his dirty one. Yes so how many wars do you think you need before. You could actually show them because he had a whole case only three awards in have. That's making premature nothing since two thousand nine like having an award winning attempt cup on your that is two thousand nine in a nutshell. It's a challenge. Stop okay off the dirty awards. So it's like a hip hop award situation in atlanta. There were a lot of the like. I think the one soldier boy at actually one that was one of the earlier ones. No it was two thousand eight so it was probably like the fourth one. So yeah it's just where they go and they kind of they award. I guess you could say these like rappers and stuff like the a lot of the atlanta personalities. I think soldier boy at some point was living in atlanta and his music really took off their own so i made a lot of sense for him to get that kind of award especially because like i said he was very much pioneering his almost like his genre entertainment. You ask him. Today he created going viral. That's his thing right now. Trying to press that home could that's kind of where he is today but in fairness like he was like one of the first like social media stars before that was even really a thing. Yeah yeah i. I know his dance and soldier. Boy right he was put video would put videos up and like like talk about stuff all the time like before. That was like you would think. Oh he's just like an instagram person. Now are tiktoker but like he was probably using Things like youtube like people us tiktok now very true he He had a stranglehold on my space as well Like my space look. I'm aging myself. Base soldier boy was in there and people are dressing light soldier. Boy say people. Some people will start food into making dance video. The putting on page. Don't know anybody who fits that description but you know these things happen so yeah. It was very influential at the time. And for that reason he wins his dirty award Were you in a lot of top aides. Well the i was a jerk. So i was like well. What if we just did a top two. You know let's let's let's raise the bar a little bit. Let's let's push the envelope here because people are battling to get and top aides. But like what if i don't have a topic. Then where do you stand. And if i'm not in your area my even gonna follow you. There were things that had to be discussed. When you were making your mouthpiece page you had to have it set up. You had to have your soul music video in the background. Everything had to be perfect. And so yeah. I was very serious about who was in my topic the battle royale today to try. Get this japan's top eight today. Mind i've talked about trying to get into asia top eight. I'm like kelsey. This sounds amazing. Who is that okay. Let's get her on a podcast. Everyone's like clamor for his base. How you could be my top eight. I know we're not. We're not on good terms right now but if you've been what spot though it's not just in the top eight it's the order as you could some top five top row or second row. Exactly jesus was definitely top. Eight and i made a point of making him number one so nobody could complain about but then like i would make them number one and number two would be somebody like that person next to jesus. You can't win. that's that's why my space didn't work. The top was tearing it apart the type that you probably weren't in my top eight unless i was your top eight and then i had friends like you should tell who would have like a top two and i'm like well that makes room for someone else in my top pain. It's a dirty game dirty award-winning game. Sociably shows us about his fireplace jays. You impressed with soldiers was fireplace of no Eagles like kazan. Automated fireplace bro. And like i had one of those in the house. I lived in like ten four hundred dollars right now. Put it in my living like right today. What was what year was this again. Two thousand nine thousand on was now. Because at the time that this aired i also had a automated fireplace. Oh to mislead anybody could have it. Sure tell us more about the golden deja on cribs asia. Wealth six lavish. That's why she's on other. We're gonna see so. It was workstation. Got to see you know huge camera that he used to make his videos all that technologies and our iphones right now right. Now that's all compressed. Our at our phones right now. A camera i got a computer roy. Do all my work yeah. It was refreshing to see like behind the scenes of what makes eligible sociable. You know i mean listen. He's not like series artist. Composer is crying for soldier. Boys work right now at the time. He really was doing things that people hadn't done. And so yeah. This is a glimpse into kind of you know how he makes his money and that was very much a part of so as we get to meet a miami. Mike miami mike. It seems like that all of these cribs episodes that you need to have at least one person who's around but doesn't talk these league. That's another piece of the formula gotta have random. Guess but i get. Why do you need to have a random person. Just chilling in your house that oh hey. Hey miami mike or hey chef or hey fred like there's like why even like it doesn't make sense to me why you just have random people living around your house because then that as a kid that made me think i need to just have random friends over constantly watching this from a different Like jason and i are talking about. This show does not age well because we think about it now like these things seeing you got somebody in their house and it's like is it really just miami. Mike just chilling and his house. Like you knew cribs was coming. Why does ride a random person after chilean your house. But yeah like jason said part of the formula friend. Looks like they've been dragged into the situation like come here today. It'd be on tv but you made me. Miami might seem so bored. There's one where later on soldier boys like. Show in his car and miami. Mike just like texting in the background of the shot. It's like a mary. Mike like a little excited here. How can they be bored. They were watching. A room raiders on mtv on the tv. Yeah another solid show. Yeah another show. Wrap it on the list. But i thought that that was endearing even when i was younger. 'cause i thought like wow if one of my friends was on cribs. You'd better believe i'm going to be there. Are you kidding me. Oh yeah. I rented this home to show off. Pretend it's mind. Are you gonna come like let me sit on. Top of your lambeau and take pictures. Are you kidding me. So that made sense to me. And i like seeing miami mike right there because i have very much been a couch surfer in my life. Where like not staying at people's homes but definitely. If you look up at any given time i could be sitting on your couch watching television. So it made sense to me to see it Was it just because it was. It would be weird to just have the celebrity show the whole house and not interact with anybody propose throwing we well as it. How awkward would it be. Just like a camera crew was coming to your house. You probably like okay. Well somebody else could be a buffer like awkwardly. Oh here's my pantry. Where i keep maybe maybe add to it in some way. Interact with that person. Not just oh hey and we have the lower see who the person is the why. We're not going to do anything with that. Remember for when you take over. The rj instagram make. Sure you have like a random person just at your house like hanging out. I never pegged you as that irresponsible to go with instagram. But now that. I know that you have you know you are capable of making those mistakes looking forward to you. Get to be my. What is it money niamey. I gotta miami down the street to he'd love to be on one hundred. Instagram should have been the random guest. These people especially for this celebrity teen addition Their parents people's parents at well. How this little boy at this point nine hundred nineteen. Yeah i believe souljah boy at this point was pretty much independent living with his parents. I believe mom might have passed away. I if i remember correctly. But i know him and his dad lived in atlanta for a while. But i think by this point soldier boy was kind of like he was a tale of what happens when you give somebody who comes from no money todd of money and so at and based off of their own actual skill set right like he was self made in a way and so it was like yeah because of that was kind of on his all more often than not and well. He kind of alludes to later on that. This is just. His california house has atlanta house too. So maybe that's where his dad was. Who knows so. We get to see the systems Jason he's got he's got. The xbox is that xbox three sixty als three sixty maybe got a broken one of those around here Way he likes to play video games. I think he's a he's on. Twitch now yeah. Gaming gaming twitch superstar very popular onto soldier has no problem being popular. he's really good at that by rounding up bands. I was a soldier boy fan. I've already alluded to that. A couple of times. But like saudi money gang was thing and i put it in my twitter bio way back in two thousand and nine and then as you get a look at. What's going on in such boys kitchen rob. I could not okay. Not only does he have an electric stove. He's like oh. I never turn on. Let me see if it works. Turns it on in age just like oh well you know. I don't know if it works. Guess we'll never know. Okay that's something you do. You have a gas though. You'll see the fire right. Electric only way to know it works. You put your hand on it. Which i was waiting for him to do. I would have loved to see that but he does. He doesn't cook. He said he's never turned it on. Which is i mean you. Don't even make rama noodles like no. He got a mark away he's gone. Oh rob when we're talking about refrigerators and kitchens. You have to know that the chris. Refrigerators are always there. Like there's only like two or three ways you can do it right like you're like an actual person who asia was saying. Some of these people don't live in serve dinner in their homes. But if you an actual person in your home you'll have like a fully stocked normal refrigerator and then you have the people who are never there in there and then like third. You have like oh i had to buy stuff for this so now hangs and you have like bottles of water gatorade. Red bull and hot pockets like so. There's no way he lives in that home permanent like permanent by actual food and as you can see like akiva. He doesn't know how to do things for himself. So i wasn't shocked when he opened it up and i saw this very beautiful layout inside of his refrigerator. Fruit punch water. Gatorade no food in the refrigerator and opens the freezer jason. It's all hot pockets. I believe all the pepperoni hot pockets like not even like a variety of hot talk. It's an avalanche you can even contain in their freezer fall out and you know hot pockets every day for breakfast lunch and dinner is fun when you're eighteen when you get older like it gets old real fast. In the last. I was eating hot pockets. I was in fifth grade. I would always want to take it on the bus and eat it on the way to school. I don't remember exactly. He is nineteen here acting like a like a college student but not in college. Yeah last can probably yesterday. What flavor pepperoni is the most elite flavor. Look at something about that ham and cheese. it's gets hotter than pepperoni. Where like you wanna burn your lip. Let let that ham or cheese touch that lip where you'll never eat a hot pocket again or at least for a couple of weeks since sleeve or you know sleeve okay when it comes to how pocket etiquette like yoga. I've tried it all. I think i tweeted about like. Oh my hot pocket. Didn't get warm in the middle time. Somebody's like you've got to put in oven that defeats the whole purpose of a hot pocket. Two minutes in and out. So what i do is put in asleep for like a minute out of the sleeve. Thirty seconds so the middle can get hot and put it back in a sleeve thirty seconds on it because that way you still get the chris but the metal gets i can do a whole cooking show on how here you really comes to the right person for this so you you put the puck in the air fryer then. No no don't do that. Microwaves could differ the fires. We don't have to get into that right now and air friars don't don't put up air fryer. Yeah don't do that. Don't do that you wanted to trust me. Yeah miami mike is like hey. Let's order dinner and was like no. We got all these hot pockets. We're talking about mike right here. Two minutes yeah. Yeah that's by miami. Mike is fed up. And what he's gonna he's. I've been house all day. And i cannot eat another got then. We get the inevitable stop at the bedroom master bedroom. A double doors and get to see soldier. Boy telecoms bedroom Any thoughts on the bedroom for soldier boy needs gucci sheets. Yeah that literally textbook which chapelle this is. What happens when you get somebody with no money so money 'cause not so. He has the gucci sheets. Here's a two thousand dollar louis vuitton rug or towel i. It wasn't like it could pass for a towel. Yes twenty thousand dollars customize bracelet and a fifty thousand dollar customized got. We go back to the bed for a second he. He sits one hundred thousand dollars of for the this. Would you know to tell. Us how gucci pillowcases can't be right correct. I mean i would. I had to rewind it. I was like you're telling me you're pillowcases. Cost one hundred thousand. But there's raggedy rug you guys talk costs to two thousand like yeah. I don't know but if it was me. I'd probably sleep on the rug because maybe save some more money because one hundred thousand dollar first pillowcases is ridiculous yeah absolutely. That was jason jason. I have a question. What did soldier boy do in his bedroom. What he not doing his bedroom. Everybody does what's the saying he missed. This is where the magic cap this is where the magic happens rob because this was a teen episode. We didn't get a lot of data but something about careers being. I don't know who the first person who said. It would probably be a good project for me. He says. I have a lot of time apparently to go back and find out who the first person who opened the doors of their career visit. This is where the magic honestly it got said. So many times where it was synonymous with the show. I think because so jabbar was nineteen. Since i'd say that price that it and there was like you can't say that you're nineteen calmed down in the next episode that we're going to watch with the adults Therese takes us to the bedroom and says this is the jump off yeah. We don't tell them to call that later. I wrote that down rob. You might need it. She will kill your pleased with a cardboard cutout now. Is it a good idea for soldier boy to not only show us the all of the jewelry he has but also he's like. Hey look at this secret compartment. Here's me here's how you do it. Yeah he doesn't live there. We already got the hallway. Shot to see exactly how to get to his place like you. We know that also. I don't need to still jewelry. I is still is damn matt after ground little carpet off the ground and it's two thousand dollars the hell i will look for your 'cause i'm gonna take your gucci cases thousand dollars. What do i need. What fifty thousand dollar chain. I got your pillow cases. It's more this is how you know that you're an old now. Okay you're a teenager. You look at all those chains and jewelry like. Aw that's awesome. I want that and we adding up the totals. I'm like i almost pay off my house with all that. I haven't marveled at stainless steel appliances. So much i was like old because every time someone shut off their. I like that that stainless steel refrigerator is amazing. My gosh you've just love stainless steel appliances. Alvin hood is magnificent. And it of course as you said he had the electric flattop electric. So i was like two thousand and i'll tell you know his his his his place thirty two hundred square feet but he only had not only but he has to do bad too bad. So where was the square footage like from what he shoda seem like thirty two hundred unless they're counting. I dunno the stair space the balcony type thing. What is it the rooftop they wouldn't they wouldn't count for the square foot house. Underwing lex inflex flexing. Yeah he did not have a door. I said that is not part of his place. A card key Ghetto maybe miami. Mike's room was like a pigsty. You what's going on there. We go outside sociable. Shows us the view he does like a hurdle super impressive and we had two replay it for some reason motion replay. And he's the king of the world sold boy very topical reference at the time he was on the titanic and his house. At that time it was it was it was still relevant. I think it's not relevant at all anymore but still pull it off Yeah yeah a and we can see his car. Go see lambeau for soldier boy. I mean it looked like lambeau does a nineteen year. Old need lambeau probably not Ask that is is a like every man's dream car. I heard that recently. And i was like i didn't know that but i could ask you ever had a dream car. I don't i. Don't i've had several dream cars however now that i'm older if i could just get driver that would be nice. Yeah i would ride in a ford fusion. If i don't have to drive it i love to drive but gosh i get tired of that sometimes though like if i could just like a pull around the like the i dunno kia and let me get in the back seat. I'm fine that's okay with me. Yeah right what about you yeah. i'm. I'm a big lambeau guy guy at lambeau i'm more of a shambo guy Yeah la la yeah. I would drive the same car. Shambo has yeah. Okay so a car with a mullet okay. you know. Last year i was. It wasn't last year maybe four or five years ago. I was obsessed with the g wagon. That was car for me. I was like oh my god. I'm gonna get a g wagon. I wrote in one of those things. I have some broad shoulders. They don't give you know. And i was like rich. People must be so tiny. Because i can't car. That was the last dream car had and i haven't looked back since then. I'm good on dream cars. Just don't make me drive right. And that was it for such boy that drives off radio. Pretty standard yeah. He said next time he has a show. It'll be a house atlanta. So i don't know if they ever did that up. I didn't see it in sixteen seventeen or eighteen. so maybe it didn't happen his star. I won't say fell off around that time but this was probably the height of soldier boy for sure two hours. Yeah yeah. They came back into the picture with his. He was on love and hip hop atlanta for a while was it atlanta one of them and enter okay and now he has a popular tiktok dance so you know the clap clap clap. Whatever what he does this is right. This is what he does. Yeah yeah jason soldier boy tell them dust they said. Do you follow us. Won't do not guys. Wow imagine that. Okay to mr tuggle jason. I don't get along right. He's tried to warn you. But now jason on okay fine. I noticed that when we do these segments on cribs like we just watched this now they show us like everything again. Like if this was only eight minutes long like i didn't forget like yeah. Yeah that was the living room again. Yeah that was the kitchen. Yeah how much contact can you really give somebody doing a walk through of your home especially especially some teams right like these are apartments and condos and when you get to like oh this is twenty two acres. Let's go golf car later on down to my house there. My step dad got for his pool. That's when you have to okay. We don't need as much like filler. You know for the episode but back on the teen does a lot of like slow motion. Refrigerator closing rewind and stuff like that to kind of just remind you of how rich they are and how rich you are not a twenty minutes and i'm pretty sure we had about twelve minutes of content. Yeah lot of replays all right next. Stop in this episode. Lil mama aka the voice of the young people little mama for you Asia are you big loma fan. You know okay lip gloss which she had her song lip gloss below glasses popping. Yes i i love that song. I had tons of glass I still wear lots of his day. Not because a little mama. But i live golf. Yeah that was her stamp on my life But then you know. She had her time on. What was it. America's best next best dance crew emergency dance career. And you know she yes. She was a judge. You know that just lip laslo mama. Everything else said. I'm okay without. Yeah she she. She could have taken a hiatus from the spotlight. A little bit probably wouldn't have hurt because her eagerness to be seen has hindered her growth. As a celebrity are an artist. I would say a lot of the things that she's known for these days aren't the most positive. I guess i should say rancor. Yeah yes there you go leave it at that. Leave it at that okay Luma she also in la and Yes she's got like a multiple story sort of what what would you call this like a condo like a condo in one of those works you in at the bottom and then you just go up to each base. Yes right in texas. I would think of is like a townhouse but it was it was. It's not well. I guess it's kind of like a townhouse but except she had bid three baths. How does that work one room level. I think it was almost like yeah first floor a bathroom the second floor with the living. It's a bathroom. And then the third floor with her bedroom okay. I thought this would have been a good quarantine house. Because i feel like you would have gone up and down the stairs a lot. I feel like that keeps you active jim He's now it's everywhere. You can get your step saying. Yeah except this house like soldier. Warrior probably listens probably less believable than soldier boys. Because it looks so nice and neat lomas house. Looks like no one's ever touched it. Oh like she has like picture family and stuff which kind of makes it endearing but like not even when she opens her refrigerator at least sociable had hot pockets in their low lives. She went to the store that day bought some stuff and put it on the shelves and didn't even know what was in their house on the big windows. Like no blinds and drapes. Your house like all day every day. You just live on display like or what she didn't even know like it's not as if she didn't open her fridge before they came in because she was confused about the yogurts. She's like oh. I got all these are probably my friends terrorist strikes again. Luma loves fruity pebbles. That's because it was sitting on the counter there. They obviously stayed for her to i love. I guess i really liked the frigerator. This like teapot kettle kettle kettle on the stove and she goes. This is where. I make my camomile tea kettle bell like the one from actual house like this really very special to her. We allegations saying she opened her frigerator. Yogurt falls and she's like here. She kind of liked fruity pebbles. We at least know this is blue. Mom has a friend over a woman named meral. she seemed a little mean till emerald. Yes you have that stupid look stupid. Our stupid faces. Dan moselle emerald city. You nothing to say dummy like emerald chapelle. I'm the person who like little mama. You gotta let me come to grips with you. She's like okay fine and then the camera comes in like oh. Here's my been held hostage. But how did you have to be reconsidering that might have been emerald row. Because matt what i want to call this magic mike miami miami mike right miami. Mike was social boys. Co-manager which i tell them. I'm your manager. I'm not sure about miami. Mike does a lot of work emerald hattie. Now she didn't have a decoy job. It was just a stupid face. I don't know all of that again. A person who could use a little like seclusion away from cameras Let's see it's like okay. She's obviously one of those friends who gives her friends a hard time. But it's like you're on camera. This is tv. You could've taken the chance to to hold. That lama. has a bunch of awards including surfboard. Won one award that they show. I'm sure a little mama adds nothing else. He might have had a dirty awarded to but yeah. That was a surfboard. That was a teen choice award right our song she had with chris brown and t pain. I that's freeze me. Yeah that's very happy. She showed it off. Because that's like the one little mama song that i really like. I don i wasn't a lip gloss person song. What's cool but i didn't. My lip gloss was not poppy. We go up and we see little bedroom. I love how she talked up like. It was like a very normal bed betting situation but she was like i have the red and the white and the black going on. I had issues like talking it up as if that wasn't a normal situation black white to what was it. What was he was blam. What was he saying come lamb. This was lomas first entry into that room. She said at their apartment. There's reading here and some black and white and that's about it like her pictures of her family. Were in the other room with emerald though. I wasn't quite sure. How often does he visited this home. Because he didn't seem to have anything to tell us about the actual rooms in it and the brightest room in the entire world. Yeah it keeps relaxed. She said but that's because like jason said. There's no blinds. We didn't see the bathroom right. Very basic bathroom okay. that's a shapely tub. That's one of her favorite rooms. I yes it wasn't even my go going on me again but it wasn't even like a guard into english like did it. How jacuzzi jail. I don't think a cloth tub like that's so funny because anytime looking. I've looked for like apartments or like the house that i live in. Now it's like. I look for garden too. It's like a wider. it's a deeper tub. It's not just your standard tub right so you have more room to relax for your baths with your traffic basic show. Yeah she says l. shower for when hurry then you need to shower. Thank you a little bit of insight. Wash my body rather quickly. Yeah it's us from twenty twenty one word or real hurry. We don't even take showers. Okay skipped one or two. Yeah just hope you never have to stand up. And she thinks outside she says. It's the wavy. Es spot in the house it was the windiest while windy. Because you're outside. She likes to wave. He spun the house. I like wavy. I used to say it. I'm back in two thousand. He's right up on that street. that's not ideal no. Yeah yeah yeah she she does the same thing so eligible does like look at this view and you look our until this random neighborhood when freeway traffic like no mom. I don't think that's what no that's not how it works. You're supposed to like be seen. You're supposed to see stuff and don't think those are the houses people stay away from on. Hdtv if it's like near high traffic areas you know but we did. We didn't talk about the piece of artwork. She had her. Yes and i will shake heart. Yeah i like that. That's my favorite part little episode mama's favorite thing in the apartment to take. This is actually a really great. Who brought this year but is also like a steam punk type like Like heart that was like like turning around so little mama like it all the cogs in brackets and all the things that the jets is love in that one painting it was great Or was it like sculpture painting. I don't know it was. It was weird again. As i say she just found out about this thing she could this thing this is. We're going to of course wrap up like we do have crib segment Check out the cars. And i believe she had a with it a white five. Bmw yes detail because you know forget black deep in two thousand six. I feel like that's pretty standard. I don't know ms wealth. Do you have any insight into the details. Because i i wouldn't know i don't have like all right enough okay okay. And that was a little mamas crew. Yes one she did. Which is the whole point of cribs. Wise person is she publicize her next. She's working on my album. You're gonna have these people in your home for that amount of time. They're going to film you and very intimate place. Hopefully if you actually have lived there but this is your time celebrity to say. Hey why am i think. Check me out on this. You know plug yourself. And so i was happy that she did it. It was a very business every move but she didn't say what the project was. She having album. That came on after came out lip gloss. You tell me. The only album i see is voice of the young people came out in two thousand eight so before this one so that was his promise. Leaning it. another album was a false apartment also for a little sleeps in a bed of lies at some point. I guess i think yeah. She had songs. She might not have been working on an album but she definitely had other songs since two thousand and nine. I just don't know what they are right. All right and then finally. The great mark in della kado was here on. Mtv cribs favorite mark in delo kado project. Yeah so y'all might not have heard of mark but mark is like is. My favorite project is ugly. Betty a or may not be his only project. I don't actually know. I've never seen this individual in my life. I'm not ugly. Betty van which as well as the co host. I need to go get people to watch. Because maybe as in asia has actually seen ugly betty picking an episode crabs to watch was difficult because they use it such an assortment of people that were. I don't think there's every episode where you know all three people will or you about all three people. It's kind of like. I got to sit through. The is like You know i don't know about some sort. Yeah i gotta sit through this rob dear dick. You know portion. So i can get to the shack portion so when i was seeing. You know. who's on this on this decade in this late i guess i was like oh boy. That's good that's fine. Oh mark india. Licadho i can google and find out if any thing problematic. It's come up with them so we don't talk about it That was one of the things that i struggle with with seeing work on this episode. Yeah other than ugly betty. Mtv cribs was one of his. Last appearances i feel like so. I knew him not from ugly betty but from the one episode he did swags. Zack and cody He was on the. i'd love. we live zack. And cody and he was on the one episode where they did this musical and he kept like channel challenging his are he kept. I guess talking about this musical. He's in called flaws and he was just very dramatic. Character wasn't a huge role. But it's like when someone's on one of those shows that you liked growing up you kind remember them if they were like if they had a personality and that was the only place i knew him so i was very surprised to know that he was on ugly betty. I've never seen an episode of betty my life but when i saw like i know him from disney channel. But i don't know what and then cody. Yeah you were that. Leonardo di caprio me pointing at the screen like ooh. Yes marking del. Ocado jason. It's it's not a super impressive crib that he's shown us it's not. It's spruce sweats a new york apartment. So it's you know again. This is like the l. a. was pretty small. It's not a lot you can do there. Yeah he's got famously. The arrest color wall with green furniture as if that was a the announcement. Yeah he's a bit of a kitchenette. Yeah yeah because he loves to cook. That's what he said. Is rachel ray cookbook. He like yeah. He didn't know what it was Abbots oranges wait. What is this. Yes but i will say this about mark's department you can tell they're like the kitchen like the stuff in the writer. I was like okay. Someone actually lives here. I was which rome. It was his parents because they didn't show that. But i think mark was what fifteen at the time safety assume that it wasn't just him and hannah shacking up at the time he also said you need to have at least one box of chinese takeout in your refrigerator to all have the authentic new york apartment unless you're giving chinese takeout every other day you should not be having at least one edible at that point you throw it away. Rob yes have you ever. I mean you're from the new york. This is your this. Is your expertise right here. Yeah how many boxes of where you keeping your refrigerator at the time when you were living in new york so i never lived in manhattan like. I've only lived on long island. But i'm sure that i have had like many takeout cartons in my refrigerator points in my life of the cia. Here's the chinese food container. I have no idea when this is from Okay so story. Checks out right sounds good. Yeah mark has a friend over. He has a friend. Hannah who does not get the speak either but he says hi to hannah at least three times every time we pass through and like hanno somewhere in the shot he. Hi hannah we see. He has like a very tiny table on like a really. This is nothing interesting whatsoever at mark's apartment. He takes us to his bedroom. And he's like. This is my prized possession. This is my ipod speaker. Plays beautiful music big now obsolete. I uh speaker's yeah that was a. That was a time right when a time when you walk in and see the huge like i home they were calling in. You have to have your ipod propped up on as he was he was listening to go. I mean marquez taste. I will say that much but yeah i remember when my ipod home was like my most prized possessions. I probably was a big deal back. Then yeah actually like Like insert the thing into the speaker ipod touch but the cold not iphone ipod in in in the giant speaker. And that's marking. Del ocado. none that exciting. That's it pretty much pretty much. You know fifteen years old as a fifteen year old with the department. Congratulations most fifteen year olds. I live in an awesome guy. Mark and dump cool yeah. Ps two and a week. So you know. He made some money from us. Yeah and he. He made a point of forty hours appears to not a. Ps three like that. We asked plan spyro the dragon here. Okay an se. This episode is brought to you by mortal kombat argue. Ready to find on april twenty third. Don't miss the action of vin of the year. When mortal combat the worldwide phenomenon comes to live mortal combat is in theaters and on. Hbo april twenty third rated r. Under seventeen not admitted without perrin president support for this podcast comes from pay pal small business. Turn your smartphone into a cash register pay pal. 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What makes mom epic with samsung galaxy. Let's talk about the adult episode of trips. The season eighteen episode back back with non teenagers and chapelle. We have the episode here. Starring rob schneider the host. I guess voice over and said from the big screen to the flat screen freeze. Fresh addition of mtv cribs starring. rob schneider. yeah okay. I'm sure in two thousand and what was it doesn't eleven. This might have been a little bit. People might have cared a lot more. I think i kind of grew up watching rob schneider in different aspects. This was kind of fun to watch. But i don't think anybody caring about rob schneider highly doubt the last time i actually thought about roger. Neider was when you in a kiva talked about it and talked about yes. We talked about the animal. Which was i think from. Two thousand with coach does one with colleen haskell jason. What's his biggest story. The deuce bigelow one end to deuce bigalow is probably his biggest hits quote unquote if you want to say that. But this post deuce bigalow european gigolo what. I don't know why he's featured here like what what what has got him onto crabs. I can't really recall anything else. He's done other than like. I really want like justice for jordan because like snyder has made a living out of the one catchphrase he said. And what was the waterboy you can do with living off of that. Where where's where's cases. Mansion gimme the join. The king catchphrase. Hey girl hey sees baby give us manage. I mean he was of friends with sandler from snl days and then just like as made a living of sandler giving it probably even says mtv critic. Sandra yeah i knew him. I was like oh. He's that guy that's always in adam sandler movies. I didn't know him on his own anywhere else. So he who to have afraid. Like adam sandler reiff. Adam sandler is the person who's like. I'm going to fame as and i'm gonna make sure all my friends have money to. I'm not gonna sleeping pills for it in the podcast. Space like god. Yeah oh my guy was so kind on. Podcast like rha. Sure okay here okay. Hit my cash up. Because i'm gonna get paid. Okay i'm not adam sandler paying for my talks jason. Why are you like this new rob. I think that this being the house. Bill it was very. It wasn't very modern houses old. Yeah yeah i feel like this is like if you ever see any of these like nineteen twenty he's like hollywood mansions like i feel like this is like what they all look like. It's like very like dark inside like at that like really like dark wood and like the like i feel like it all like. He's like a very similar luck. Like i guess this is. This is a thing you want to have. If you're like. I feel like i pictures of bill. Simmons's house like when he was when he moved and like it. Looked exactly like this. You bill simmons. Now might have rob schneider's house from russia s when he had to downgrade because he was making more movies willing to bet. Rob schneider does not still have this house becomes department. That's horrible but yeah this home isn't it. Was the home from this. One was built. During prohibition and so one of the coolest things i noticed is i mean like he hits the the secret compartment on. The wall of their pool opens up as a wet bar. You know he's got like glass shaker. Oh yeah that's what. I need in whatever modern home. I one day you know break into sleep and one of those search that yeah rupture makes references to this being a love palace about lot of women Coming over these poor women that had to go to rob schneider's house it. It looks like you've ever seen the hobbit for like move the rings the entry of the house looks like i don't know what they call that place where bilbo baggins know. I don't know what they call place. Shire yeah but like. You're a woman. Rob rob schneider. Come to the snyder. Shire who where the magic happens home. He's like he didn't see compartments and alcohol. It's not falling out that he probably the rebrand this whole little presentation for the for the ladies at least yeah we say this. The show doesn't age. Will i think even in two thousand eleven. Most of the stuff that he was doing was really at a date really like not cool like the accents he was putting all was really upsetting meal. Sega won't be just stop that you kind of wonder if he's in on the joke like you know i don't think i i think he i feel like okay. You get the call. He's the elder statement statesman at this point to where he was when he started his career. At least when it was taken off. And they're like we want you. You want me to have you seen where i live. So yeah he's like oh. This is where the magic happens. This is where ladies kamla. I think he's i think he might have been playing because he knows that he has no business in this spot. They call it adam sandler. Hey let me give you my buddy rob schneider exactly so we see the kitchen. Rob schneider's kitchen was kinda boring draft. Yeah drab look. I t i told you. I was on a stainless steel appliances high when he wants to see his kitchen and i didn't see them i. I started to eat a little bit from the original house from the twenties appliances. Yeah yeah yeah. Tiktok told me if you have a white refrigerator in your house. That's like a very not good. You can't yeah. He's a he's a things you should know. Salas steeler gts much. That's a lot of beer in rob schneider's kitchen. Predictably he said. He says he has mexican beer. Right it salad and on natural protein bar Yeah obviously as far as the most interesting man in the world and pop out to to advertise. That does beer is. We got the visit. Rob schneider's bedroom something that we probably could have gone without seeing what goes on and you talked a lot about the sexing. That's going on in rob schneider's bedroom on the next thing. I really interesting input asia. I do you have any strong feelings about this. Love rome don feelings about wanting to know nothing about it. Look rob schneider. Says this is where the sex thing and the people get what they want. What's coming to them or he gets. What's coming to him. I just didn't love that. I didn't want to hear that. And then he says this a flat screen where watch porn saying he runs neither. We don't see because he wanted to chris. That's why you have to watch it on the flat screen. Tv thirty two inch flat screen. you know. he's fifty seven today which means when this came out he was forty seven I wasn't the only person that didn't have a friend over anybody shocked. Yeah okay well. Yeah i think we got to go into his closet. Where the there is no sexing happening in boston. Clause as you pointed out a ukulele drew. Barrymore gave him as at from fifty first dates. Yes yes yes yes. Yes yes so rob bongos from big. Daddy can you do it have bongos though. And he has doubled. Tv's in case his movies come on. You can watch it on two different. Tv's so does that mean. He has three of these flat screens in his room because he showed us one earlier in any showed us the double situation Yes three against each of the only movies. I've known for all these tournament luggage if you had to jason if you had to like flat screen. Tv's and you had to watch your favorite rob schneider movies or whatever at the same time. Which ones would it be do. The cameos count goes. I like you know him on cameo you do that to my to be fifty first dates and big daddy. Wow and he's not even the star of either. Eat now yes. You can't walk outside of movies today. They're they're they should be blacklisted. From any streaming service. He said they're very popular in europe. And i make a lot of money. Yeah good believe that you know what else he did. Jason do you remember. He did a tv series. Also men behaving badly. So that i remember. He had a very short lived series where he was married to a mexican. Rob rob like an exclamation point in like a and like a question. Mark also goes on like tv landers massive like less than as i think it was a cbs. Shell that was like very short lived Also along the way but he also has a dog a dog named oscar. i believe that is only oscar. Get one if you can't win one. Go buy one there you go. So he has oscar oscar. What's chilling yard wasn't he. Yeah okay this is the first yard. We got to see. Though i was excited i thought like for those people who really like landscaping their own yards. That could never be me. I could never have that. That's not ministry but for the people who like cutting their grass trimming the hedges. This seemed like a pretty decent yard. I think this was the highlight of his house for me easily. I liked it. Slow bar to clear. Sure i'm just saying. I was trying to find something i like about it and that that yard i was like look at this like normal yard. It did have a koi pond. Yes yeah. I don't fish right. Yeah he didn't feed them at all. But yeah i thought like aesthetically was pretty all right anything else to say about rob schneider's crib and is living with from paris. Those pretty cool keyboard from a thrift store for like twenty dollars. We'll go ahead and asia. You know it's it probably would be like rob schneider. Even though i know nothing about him probably would be like him to say he got it from paris because that's like a cribs thing to do but he didn't. Yeah yeah one of the things he did have. That looked like it came from the store. So he had these two things on his mantle He walked past them and he says i got these from brazil and one of them looks like the hidden immunity idol from the amazon. You said he got from the amazon. I don't remember how other necklace hidden in the amazon. Oh i would have to ask somebody. Who was there i would. I would never know but the other neck was yeah. I'm pretty sure. I have that same necklace. No it didn't them so he didn't show that one. But i saw it and i was like the same tastes rob schneider. You rounded wear it. Also the time. I was with ninety nine. Probably got like a luau party or something like that but the other one. It looked pretty. I don't know if it was authentic. Rob you won individual immunity in amazon. Did it look like something more feathers. He mentioned that his films are very big in the in like among amazonian people. Just believe it or not people out of the united states have good taste like he didn't even say like. Oh i'm brazil's number one movie star like he cited specifically the amazon. Yeah right there. I mean again. We're in theaters. Yeah okay. There wasn't reward to go see rob schneider just films right. We're playing for. You'll get to go see deuce bigalow your opean gigolo of course today sense on the take you to see the animal with With colleen isn't it. yeah. I guess. Because yeah i know i guess probably somebody. That was on season one of survivor. Who is on with colleen haskell who was on the only three degrees away from rob schneider give her a call. Four degrees away from rob schneider. Because you know me. Oh wow oh my gosh. I'm so. this is almost as good as the damage. Jason epic almost almost almost all right. Let's so but tirees interesting. They called it his west coast layer And touted him as the four brothers star. I guess at this time. This is probably the project. He was known for the most amongst the white people fast and furious right because black people have pointed out that he was a successful rb star at this time s. Yeah and so tara's one of those rb stars they're kinda presents. Rapper energy shocked that this was the home that we were getting better flashing brothers. I was like what. What even is that movie. I'm sure i've seen it. But i was like what that's the best. You could come up with with retirees but yeah baby boy like i mean i guess it has to be like you know something else like right but yeah pre facet theory so that that definitely would have been it if it was cribs. Today he has some interesting art in his house. including That he has a painting of Marvin gaye sitting on the couch that he got from. Marvin gay's wife. I've never been annoyed by art to television. The marvin gaye picture there came from marvin. Gay's wife. I thought that was a great picture. Great painting marvin gay's iconic. His wife was really nice for giving that to tirees. Did but that is the only artwork that i can speak highly of his home. We will get to the other art later on. I'm sure he also. I think he opens with like he's there's a bathroom right there but then kinda the thing where. He's implies that somebody's just use the bathroom right. That'll gemstone. yeah so funny. Somebody cut the cheese. And i don't know but that implies that there are people in his own meet the personal chef marcos so was this marcos doing marco's the guy who blew up to the bathroom you know marcos was like this is my big break. This is my all who repair on these little plates pairing like i'm a i'm get so many class off of this and it was like to so happy i did. Oh yeah. I want to know what movie that teresa's preparing for that he had to leave it. Yeah that might have been too fast. You furious territory. I'm not sure well best five came out in two thousand eleven Yeah it was. That's probably what he worrying about or transformers. It came out in two thousand and eleven. Yeah as well. Yeah or maybe. He was just getting back into shape. Were preparing to do fast six. We know they don't know when to stop I wonder if he's ever off the clock for that movie franchise. You know what two fast two furious came out with two thousand three. They could have said this from fastened is so we are four brothers was more recent. You know you don't want to erase the accomplishments of him like other movies. He did before this episode of albums. The man had before two thousand eleven. That's fine like whatever you get a lot of respect a lot of pop up on. Mtv that mark wahlberg andrea two thousand was so. I don't know how much the publicist for these things are like involved with that. Like what what year was four brothers. Two thousand five okay. Yeah right so and then transformers is two thousand seven. That's pretty big. Two thousand nine transformers revenge of the fallen. They just pick something. They had one of the production. But yes looney has he been in was get was mark and delicate before. He's now the mtv intern marking delicate them. Was there anything that markos made. That looked good. It sounded good. Yeah china's healthy. He was like we got your chicken without And we have no creams or or cheeses and he said no cheese. Yeah but when he said no cheese. I was like i'm out here. Wheelhouse cheese bread all the things that are bad for you in excess. Do access That appeal to me. 'cause i don't like cheese. I eat pizza but we did. Take the cheese off. Or i'll eat the alley. Eat the cheese on the pizza. But that's the only cheese. I'll eat and i know people say oh lasagna. Similar it doesn't taste similar okay. Strong takes lasagna. We got to see theresa's a screening room. I believe that was a movie theater. recent love rooms. I don't chill their pre netflix. Yeah yeah dvd. Into i mean. I just feel like if i'm tired racist friend anyway. Let's watch a movie avid theatre in there. And you get to the door. You see like reece's love rome like hey where's again. Is this mean. Are we in there together. I don't wanna. I don't wanna i don't wanna watch those kind of movies with you. And he is like an atlas type guy who's holding up the screen. Yeah he imitated. It was glad to see this was literally his excuse to show off. His muscles wanted out is that he's working out and dieting for a specific like movie role that we have not been able to identify that. I think this was like hey look me. You have muscles and look at me over here with muscles. i've been working out. Look at my chef it. Because i'm eating muscle you know so i think i look. I felt that in myself. I work out one day and in the mirror posting southeast knock odds and stuff. This is right up my alley. Chapelle 's love room of where you go watch television i do and it's kind of the same room is all the rest of the room. The same it's all one room you know. Don't worry about that. We go through the family room The pool room is very excited to show us that. He has a chandelier or like no nobody else has a chandelier. Leary shown us. It's the absolute worst spot for a chandelier. I just think about how many shots were you. Just hit the cue ball wrong way. Up is going to hit your chandelier. that's how i know he does. He doesn't use the pool table. We got to see jason that Is this therese's a room that he has some sort of like a foot. Share a pedicure worries hands. He calls them and he says i don't have feet may feet are my are my hands. Yeah the feet. Or the his moneymaker. Apparently i don't know why you would install this in your bedroom almost afraid to ask why i imagine. It's something that i would trip over in the middle of trying to go to the bathroom as well. It's not a good book. Why are his hands. I don't know they're so nice. So nice selanne meticulous. That's my guess where a lot of sandals on it is movies like an open. Choose to show off his feet. I don't i don't get it. You got for me. And i was like i'll tell them to quiet right now i was. I'm not a massage chairs. Casper we talked about enzo. You were an all quiet. Then i might have mentioned the all lanes of sorts where my peter displayed for a nominal fee but that was different japan at yes. That's why i got so quiet. I was like what everybody looks at me. And top finds out about my hand when somebody brings in the cribs camera crew and you brush l. Let me grab my friendship. I'll come over. He always has something to say and put the camera now. He got quite the shoes. The socks off east asia with my face. Your stealing face tirees goes tears. Chapelle stupid things. I m e theories call his room the jump off. This is the jumpoff. He's at where business happens. I will give tarries more credit than i give rob schneider and his moment because these are equally creep ish things but reese does make money largely off of making like romantic music so maybe this is something that he has to kind of right really connect with in order to to hone his craft. We've seen that. He has like this large amazing pearly white grand piano so we he takes his music seriously does part of his creative hurries theresa. Lee had to acknowledge it once. Rob schneider nausea. Like it was like. I was having six six over here. I might have had sex here. I might have sex here. But there's no sex in the closet. Yeah your resume was overdoing it just a tad Yeah and then we got therese loves Red because a lot of red in his bedroom is my favorite thing about tyrod. Yes because he's from what's yeah and apparently what's is like a heavily. It's heavily influenced by like The the crip gang and so because of that he wasn't able to like happily Flights all the red that he wanted to wear favorite color but because he had to be like creek swear blue. Yeah yeah exactly. He had to be cognizant of his surroundings And so now that he is filthy rich a ton of money and is no longer surrounded by scripts. He can wear the the bloody red colors that he so desires. Proudly stay gang allegiance basically right and also let you know that he is accurate or crip. Related yeah we go into theresa's closet and we see his shoe racks. Chapelle is what you have your sneaker collection pretty close Lands yeah yes. I don't understand so therese. Doesn't they where he pulls out. This big huge. What was it wolf for. Yeah and he's like. I never get to wear this because it's also hot here winter. You wear the winter boots you know. Wear those in like the tropical area because your feet or what you care so much. Speak your hands that you wear timber. That's all the have Shenanigans cautioned against. What do you think this is in house. Do you think he. I mean dishes. He has more shoes. There's no way he's only wearing timberlake. Just don't see that for him and what's wolf jacket. Asia's this is the thing people wolf jackets. It's a tyree saying In two thousand eleven you gotta think about what. The style was back then. Maybe that was normal to see on our nbc singer nyc every day. You wear that out now and you'll really be Have in red because Pita is gonna throw a bucket of paint on. You can still doing that. I don't know like. I haven't heard anything. Like about peter attacking somebody were paying very long. Yeah the wool jacket. No but like i say. It's like to present almost like rapper. Energy and rapid a really big about flaunting. Their big coats pepsi famously wore a coat on a jay z and pepsi music video for big been on like on a yacht you know. He's wearing a fur coat on a yacht which makes no sense. You got you look. There's no weather on television. You know japan drown and he had. He had to pick drip. Sorry all right. We get to see a bunch of therese's murals now at this so annoying. Okay here's the thing. I really hasn't bureau of what is a play on the last supper famous. Anything about jesus christ and the disciples and the people who will future like in the future betray him and therese has emulated this by using the images of fallen musicians black musicians and he has lined up s. So i believe on the very end. You have bob marley. Yup you have a lia to park and then in the middle you have a marvin. The black musical jesus gay and the next two musical. Jesus you have a lotta lopez a big malls and barry white in jam. Master jay and jam master jay. I'm sorry i forgot about jim. J. this is absurd. But i was able to kind of say you know what pay amish to your heroes. I just don't think the last supper is really where. I wanna envision like you know marvin gaye as jesus but also kind of looking down to the jam today like i think you might betray me but whatever each lunch you know so i. I didn't love that. I also did it love. He had to park being baptized by malcolm x. That was now was worse than the last supper world stop. I want them to stop. I wanted to explain like i want. I want to get more into that. Like why is this. Why is this the paper. Yeah to to park had a stranglehold of people around that age at that time i mean for two of died in his twenty s. People just can't let go. And i get it i get in. I know nicole is a big to park fan. Rob i know this but would you ever allow nicole. Three mclean new north carolina home. What if nicole is like hey taras was selling this thing really cheap online. I saw them facebook market malcolm x. baptizing to what do you say Yeah i don't know. I don't know what to do with that. What is it like. What do you do in that room. Bar your podcast talking about you put niculae size me. Would you with a cardboard cut out of your own when you call. I'm pretty sure nicole might have already had one at some. Point is to buck being baptized. Because he's going to have a resurrection also then is going to be another station that we already have like all this. Jesus imagery is signaling. For went to pot comes back while he made what if meaning. he's like. i was just thinking like what is malcolm x. Better that was. That was the explanation period that was. I was so annoyed. I was so i was able to kind of rationalize the last supper in my head when i saw to park i will. I quit like flip. The table and walked. I'll be back. I'll finish later. All right. we're gonna go see tyree. Cars terry says a a. What does this these customized. What kind of check. It looked like an excursion. Like he's got. Yeah he's got doubled the limo tint on the he he has a driver major legal. Yeah yeah limo tint is barely legal. Won't know ramped in there like he did at all. Yeah but hit. This is the makings or what we saw in my ride right now. This is very much depend my ride segment of our podcast today. Because he's i got television screens in the back. I got this. I got that. I can machine but here i was like okay. We've made it. We made it to the flexi part of of the program yeah spreads. He didn't have like the Pedicure tub in the back or his hand yeah nellie once nellie once famously said he was a sucker for a cornrows manicured toes and i think that's what time was on. He was manicured toes carrying hubcaps. That said Tyree also yes. That's how you now you've made it That's how you actually your car like some of these. But you know you say your name on it so i think i think that's more of a flex than anything. But he did tell us. Their cars are the worst investment. Ever yeah and then he began to show us has been lead. Gt financial advice. I wasn't expecting that on cribs. that's pretorious. His little brother showed up at the end Then i was like. Oh there's one other person. But then i forgot about the chef. Mario forgot onto. Maybe the brother was bad. Makes it right and then all right. So finally we got to see. Brody jenner and brandon. Jenner never heard of brandon jenner. Eat watch i guess keeping keeping up. I feel like i feel like i'd now want to expose crips closer. Look something up. Oh david foster and their mother got divorced in two thousand and five right episode was supposedly in two thousand eleven Shenanigan we also saw because this is with theresa's movie. Yeah which was so i'm making. Did they shoot these during the first batch of cribs and never showed images like you just said these free on the shelf for five years. The lost episode cribs split in two thousand. Five is a little bit more believable than snyder. On crabs eat cribs in two thousand eight hundred and the other thing is like these guys were on this Reality show the principle of malibu in two thousand and five yeah. Is it possible that paramount plus has this mislabeled and did not come out in season. Eighteen that this was from thousand five. I believe it yeah. I believe that more than paramount together. Yeah two thousand five with four brothers that lines up right there. Yeah checks out. I think we figured it out because of the case. Tam blam no other reason to explain. Why rob schneider jenner's and are like therese probably looking on. Mtv dot com. They call this season twelve episode two which would put it four years earlier than four seasons earlier than the teens edition. We watch and we put this in Two thousand five august. Four thousand five guys. What are you doing. Okay so rob. Schneider is is just dropping european gigolo on us of four brothers. We have fixed timeline boys fireplaces impressive a okay. That's we had a question. Yeah i think there is there is. I think we have to track. Oddly enough. I think we have to look at mark court. Tv that's still season. Sixteen twelve so that is correct. And so the rob schneider. Therese episode is just mislabeled on paramount plus. They're they're new. They're just figuring out. Bring back steel. We're going to be solving a mystery on this podcast. We did it. So then jason less shenanigans on cribs then yes. I still got some. But we haven't got there. Yeah jenner's the jitters. This is what happens when you live with your folks right. I don't know what your mom's or like but my mom is definitely like a mom. I'm having people over for chris. Come into my apartment blah blah. My mom is like oh. I'll be there you know so i know they actually lived in this home with linda. Did like they put a lot of effort into this. What is should i call her. Decor elaborate the core. And so i think he really wanted to show it off whereas these two twenty one year boys had no interest but did they live bear because i feel like they showed like stuffed animals on them. I feel like my decorated that room. They stayed there something. Yeah linda thompson. Who shows up here. She was best known as a cast member on hee-haw as one of the hee haw honeys gave birth to sons brandon brody. And i think there's another one there. Sam jenner Yeah well sam. Is her older brother. Okay but you still get highly right. I'm sorry sam. Brody is brody jenner. Yeah sam brody jenner. Oh randy william. Yeah or something like that. I have known brody jenner for years not know him. Now i'm but i have known of him like heels keeping up with her and i have never known that his first name was sam so this is an eye opener for me and then in one thousand ninety one she marries david foster. They divorced in two thousand five. Her david foster was. Was the divorce caused by this episode of mtv. Cribs cody and brandon. Like this is what we do and dad's throw parties on day in day if it's a pool so they're show princes of malibu. Which is i'm assuming why there aren't cribs I think that was mtv show. It was also about them living with their mother. And their and david foster. So i would venture to guess that amount is probably a reason why they divorced is one of my gosh. Yeah and that's before the hills so yeah. I'm pretty sure that this is yeah that show his family apart. I wouldn't be shocked if david was over there. Working on his computer on the divorce paperwork had to be every moment of david. Disdain for those two. Could you imagine that you have like a step kids and then they grow up to be like these punks that are like throwing you've worked you've made this this whole thing and then you'd like punk kids who are like throwing parties in your pool nonstop like a walk into your office. The camera crew. These are all my grand knees. Are touching your. Grammy is lying on my office now but then david foster then goes on to. He will then one day rebound and go on to mary. Katharine mcphee. Do i have this correct. Yes he's currently married to her yet. Just had a child i believe. Yes the seventy one year. Old david foster. Congratulations david and cathy. David foster as well here. Yeah seventy one and gave birth. He has a newborn who was born february. Twenty second two thousand twenty one and he is seventy one years old. Okay yeah so unusual about hollywood. Yeah man this is where the magic happens in year. nine years old. You're going getting out of fourth grade class near eighty year old. Dad is picking up wilder stepbrothers brandon. And sam. pretty either yeah. They're in their thirties. Yeah almost forty. Almost forty do brandon. And sam have kids because if so we need to be asking how does he feel about being like an older like ankle. You know he can at this like we always foster. Is this kid. Could you know. David foster. Paulie has grandkids. Older than actual child will brandon is thirty nine in yawkey brody sam and i can't brody's thirty seven. So yeah wow yeah my. My one of my favorite moments of this episode was when the when the jenner's reach overnight either my grammy's and all this other stuff and you're like yeah. Hopefully someone will touch him later on because of the grammy I thought i thought that was really stupid to say like you know. Hopefully like i guess he gets them play some women because of his proximity to someone very talented or someone who's done something exceptional in money and that's kind of overarching theme of this segment. Jenner's it's like yeah. We have some of their life for sure like it was like okay. Everyone else we talked about. We can talk about the things they've done to earn this money and these boys are literally say no. This is david stuff. We just use it for clout And that's the whole. That's it when brandon brandon jenner. Goes to the closet. He's like yeah or like two pairs of jeans like four shirts just sits here. Yeah more reduced. Can you see. I know brandon. Jenner is like the cool calm collected older brother. He seeing a little bit. I don't know him as this crazy guy. But like i a reference point is like keeping up with kardashians but that's more recent. Yeah they eventually go down to the real magic happens which By the pool. Nice pool nice up but then there's a bunch of punks down there like ready like underage drinking going on. They were twenty one at the time of this. I don't know at this point. The time line is broken. No may ago. Maybe that's why they labeled it may wanna protect house prize. Dave nichol on a my pool. I mean he basically did like what is going on here is it is where we have our parties that david comes down and bus. Our party kicks friends. I love anthony voice dad. Look what ideas business. These people are all underage person. Katharine mcphee. nice to meet you. My name's david my gosh. Can you imagine that. I didn't think that you'd be here. Majid in eighteen years anthony dominic or showing people around your podcast studio. He's on my podcast awards out of here out of here this on this mansion that they lived in though it was i believe fifteen thousand square feet twenty two hours nineteen s antenna bedrolls with three recording studios. That just seems excessive Yeah and they had no not at all if they had to take the golf course. Golf cart down to where the pool house is which this whole pool set up bigger than my actual home in any other again the richness has done wonders for them parting. Shazam i'm driving across the lawn like in their car Like on the grass. And that's mtn cribs the formula three random celebrities in any given year and walk through their homes and let them flex on us that is crabs and i was obsessed used to watch it all the time. How did they do twenty years of this like three celebrities episode. I think it was often on. It took breaks prolonged breaks through some iteration Yeah and you never have a shortage of liberty. It has the cost zero dollars to produce cribs with my iphone right now. Like like hey celebrity. Open your house okay. Here i am then all i do. Is editing like final. Cut pro or something like this is this takes no effort so yeah this is one of those shows that if you just need something on television like a big brother or something going on forever yeah we would have to be a lot easier now because there are so many more celebrities you know. We got your tiktok celebrities or whatever celebrities themselves senate in early no effort on paramount. Pluses in Were you not paying attention to snapchat stories. They already did. You don't like how phil film what's going on in their house. I mean for a week. That's entertaining and dan. Could you wrap your a celebrity of sorts. How about taking a tour of your house during your zone school. how would you feel. It'd be a madhouse in my house. My liver anthony get down off the table. Celebrities are like they don't want to say don't get my like giant stockpile of toilet paper. I don't wanna get my house. Rated people have going on over here. These are all my door dash precedes over here Yeah i mean that at a certain point it's like a soldier boys got all the hot pockets. Let's go over to his house right. He can't get them anymore. All right well. This was great. Yeah yeah let's get into such an august. Yes okay do we. We talked about red man right So we'll get to him in a little bit but some of them more like interesting moments that i found in my research and i've kind of known for a while as that like we say it. Celebrities are living in these homes. Some of them even borrow the home just for the cribs appearance. So robbie williams the uk pop star bar. Home from jane. seymour rob. You know jane. Seymour is do i. I pick her out of a lineup. That would be dr quinn medicine. Yes yes donated her house to a pop star so that he could use it for cribs. If i had to pick a celebrity. Say let me use your house. At what point would you say. Dr quinn medicine woman. That's exactly what was the lady for murder. She wrote busy. Have a home. you know so. That's the first one. He definitely borrowed the house famous popstar at the time and kind of famous now joe. She had one hits when she was contacted about cribs. That was out a in parentheses. Leave or leave. get out. I guess and she was just famous enough to be on cribs but not famous enough to have won her and her mom were homeless when they were on cribs. They were living out of hotels and so she to borrowed at home from her uncle. That was that was revealed enough. Post interview fifty showed off his fleet. Ferraris and ferrari enthusiasts were very upset to realize that those were not his they were rented bought them from a collector actually low power also known as mr shah himself had gotten his faith from like mike but because like mike fame he was able to show off his cars which people found out were also rented from prestigious luxury car. Rentals of Have spent a day with bell and stay in the ferrari asia wealth world. Did you let him sit in. Your ferrari i guess. We should ask since he didn't have any. Wow now we actually we went. We painted the town rid so we love it. I don't he was in town for performance like skating rink. And i knew my dad knew the guy like his. I guess the guy who's putting it all together and he's good. He wanted to spend the day with bowels in like sixth grade. And so we like went to a church here and there were a bunch of people there and everybody thought i was girlfriend and then like no. We're like five years apart. And we went to applebee's and he offered me a mozzarella stick and had to be like no. Because i don't like shoes. You couldn't pretend to enjoy rela stick in front of bowel calvin cambridge mozzarella sticks. You said. no how dare you. I know it was just one. I could do it. Yeah yeah cut up. That may just took down to earth fame like a yes man. I can say no. This is why sometime this is why you have a hard time calling this man by his name. Sam because you know him personally you like i call them brody but you know ever since we were kids. I just got him. Brody can i back up on joe for a minute. Go floyd so joe had a house that could be on cribs. Bushy was homeless at hotels. Homeless could mean different. Things you know. She did have her home of her own but they seem to be in bouncing around trying to establish you could shoot episode of cribs here. But then you gotta go. Gotta rapper birdman. As i mentioned earlier. I believe he had louis vuitton helicopters the lambeau door car that he had was not. He is either john raw. Everyone's favorite person to beat up on for this very reason also had some shenanigans episodes crabs. Never any other time has jarrell been involved with any sort of fraudulent dealings. Jaros never been on the right side of history ever in his life. Okay never jeffery atkins decides that he wants to have episode of cribs he reads a home has a huge party which of completely violates. The rental agreement gets old by the lady who had to have place because she didn't know about the party but she didn't know cribs was coming to your home not rule and then the last position he is we can we will always get this from jarrell and Last bit of shenanigans comes to my guy. Red man who. I'm a huge fan of. He didn't have any shenanigans. Mtv told him to return a home because they were not impressed with his raggedy ass apartment. Um and redmond said no get rid man. yeah. I love that for him. The only honest episode of cribs exactly and read mandate what needs to be done. His episode is still the most iconic open so despite not showing off the glitz and glamour that they wanted you to show off. And i think that's cribs internet show. Yeah all right well. This was great really fun. Yeah whose idea was says. who who. Who do we think. This is jason jason. Yeah we were spitballing. While jason was the one who doing this well now it popped up some kind of way. What are you finding confided online. I want to have a couple of the seasons on paramount plus three in total the three seasons a completely Like marked incorrectly. There's a ton there's a ton of like cribs clips on youtube. You can go and watch pretty much anybody on youtube. it's just there weren't any episodes. You know that we can really dive into so we went with the paramount plus but if you have any interest listeners on like diving into some of the life of the rich and famous from back dan or You know finding out what other shenanigans exist. I definitely strongly suggest you go ahead and look at you for those Clips 'cause they're pretty good anything else on. Mtv cribs all right that asia. Where could people Keep up with everything. You're doing your garden tub reviews. Jesus lasagna recipes. Our back all the above you can find me on twitter at asia. Asia a. y. s. h. a. a. s. I a. I joined taryn on the circle. Recap episodes seven as check that out. It's been a great season of the circle. I've been loving it rooting for cat. That story that guess guess. What does another famous person. We don't call her asia wealth for they. Just don't as a tell us about all your famous phrase we got we got kelsey whereas mandi and now. We got cat from the circle. Forget about mckay. Low sam brody djinnit reno. Who don't you know. Look we are so honored to be. Here is just the circle that i keep resides. Very cat bill is like an amazing basketball player from the university of texas. At austin we were there around the same time So i got to see cap play volleyball facebook friends. But you know we we. We know of each other that that's the extent of it. We do have mutual friends. That my my close friends her close friends. So that's pretty cool but Yeah she's like being completely herself on the circle which is awesome like. she's such a fun loving person. she so friendly So yeah that's the extent of it. You know yeah but also yes. Check me out on some big brother. Canada coverage and then married at first sight. Continue to cover that. We are almost at the end of the season. We will find out who stays married and who gets a divorce. We find that out next week so we still have two more episodes to we. Get to the finale. So it's definitely been a good season kinda getting a little bit slower. At the end. There was some major drama shows. Yeah exactly all right well great job here today and jason another winner when win- chicken dinner Yeah grachev where can people keep up with you on twitter at j. a. y. r. One zero eight five New twitter name ending. Let's see is there anything from this episode that we can come up with the work on Jason wealth del ocado onto something jason. Re-taken objected checked every. Like iteration of my f- my last name with everything. Jump off jason. I can see your favorite ring that bell for. That's what used to call me in high school. Anyway jason diabet- they did jason. Thank you so much for agreeing to this. Like the audience knows and anybody. Who's listening to any podcast. I've done in the last two weeks. We've been heavily being. I'm glad we were able to bury the hatchet to do this every beating. Yeah and now that we are the presence of asia. You know what else could go wrong. We got money money around. See where the money resides. Mary had a little lamb. You what's coming up for you know way to call again. I am following canada with one eye. Open king beth. Beth bali draft choice. I don't have any other invested interest in good. I want to win this draft. And so i got it but yeah probably on twitter tweeden about current events and also television a lot But yeah talking about the walking dead fear. The walking dead every week would just release on recap And then of course talking to you every chance. I get about reality. Tv rewind yes. We all right next week. I thought that we should take it back to the nineties. A little bit of these tv shows the kind of get into the two thousand era. It's kind kinda the heyday but there were like rumblings of sorts in the nineties of what reality tv could be and one of my favorites because again watching things i had. No business watching was the hit. Television show blind date does. Yes yes okay. I got people stand to be here. I love blind date on my watch. This so much and i asked him people from the She ninety shows. Taught me podcast. And talk to us as well. And just go sterling and sarah ferguson have agreed to talk to us about a ninety s reality. Show blind date and so. That's what we would covering next week. Yes okay that should be a lot of fun with about the tv show. Roger lodge is that Host a blind date guy. So i did not watch it like through. Its whole run. But i definitely had periods where i was like. Oh this is so funny. I love like all the pop ups of like what this person is thinking. so mean. we'll let's see. Let's see what it looks like. Now i would i would. I would probably wait. You're have seen every episode of blind date not every la- thousands. I've probably seen most of not allowed to you. That was my jam. Agai- in the nineties. I was a tyke and i was not mighty my own business. Just say that much. So i was watching. A lot of this stuff had no business doing every day multiple locations. Yeah they they were hitting. They were hitting hitting the same location. One person. it's like like. Oh let's meet for drinks and now let's go to the miniature golf course and then let's go and then let's end at this place. Yeah i thought look. I thought that's how dating was the most. And then somehow some reason. I grew up and became graham seven. All that stuff sounds great like more. We're going to war or are we gonna do more. We're going to know. Well maybe we're now you know so for me. This is right up my alley because more is more when it comes to chapelle this show all right. This was so much fun to get back together. make sure you join us next week. We said well Blind date and everything else we have going on. We're have another circle round table coming up on saturday. We'll be live to talk about episode eight in particular but all of week. Two of the circle live saturday at seven eastern s. We'll talk about the twenty six best season of survivor survivor. Samoa went Four plus hours on wednesday night talking with and mel hall's Over on rob has a website dot com so Be on the lookout for that. If you missed any of and We'll talk to you next week. Give it a good one i

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Cas magic quadrant leaders learn more at bandwidth dot com slash security. Now it's time for security now the show where we talk about the week's biggest security news and we have just the guy to do it. I'm jason howell. I'm not the guy. I'm filling in for leo laporte. Who is out enjoying time. Away from twit For a change. Because he's been here like the last year solid because of the pandemic and everything so super happy to sit in for leo but the guy i'm talking about is steve gibson. He's the guy who really tune in. For how you doing steve. Hey jason great to be with you again. or You're feeling weak. And yes we. We know from the things that leo has shared publicly that you know. He lives to travel. He's found travelmate that he really enjoys. And he's been stuck in kovic land. You know like going. Stir crazy so as we he was saying. I heard him say the other day that he's off to mexico or something in october. I remember where it was a bigger a bigger late. A little brief one and we'll have him back but anyway This is episode eight hundred and thirteen for the sixth of april A spy in our pocket There's some new research out of some security guys In dublin ireland Who went to the trouble of They've done some research. That was sort of like this previously but they expanded their look. They've got the technology to to watch the cellular communications of both in their case. They looked at the top two. You know mobile phone Families ios and android and looked it. Just how chatty they were and it's you know it's a good thing that hard drives are cheap as they are because given the install base of these drives i. I've got the numbers in the notes. But you know they're they're spooling terabytes of data an hour across their entire install base of devices. But we'll end up talking about that. We got a bunch of interesting stuff by popular demand. I i can't tell you how many of our listeners may wanted to make sure. I had heard about this. We've got the big cover up at ubiquity I'll be talking about that a little bit later. Why all of our listeners. Where saying. Hey steve did you know about this Look at the consequences of the personal data of five hundred thirty three plus million facebook users just a few days ago appearing on the net for free And also happily how to tell if you might be represented there We're gonna look at another water treatment. Plant break in That had a very different outcome than the one in early february in florida. Also we look at New moves by google to further lockdown android against abuses of its original permissive by design. Api services they wanted to be the alternative. It's going to be open everybody's on the same side at like well not so much so we've seen a succession of of tightenings that they've had to do and talk about another one today We also are gonna look at because all of the tech press was just all over the story The new threat to call of duty cheaters and also. Another set of series vulnerabilities in q. Nap nass devices. Which i try not to talk about. Because there's so many of them are like ransomware but anyway we have to because q napa is just bad Then after sharing one catchy tweet that as a as a coder. I really appreciate it. We'll wrap up by talking about the the research from ireland into The fact that we really do have spies that we carry around in our pockets. And just what's being spied on. Oh and we have a terrific picture of the week. So i think another great podcast for our listeners. Absolutely and Let's just get this out on the record right now. You didn't fill this Rundown with android stories. Because i'm on today is it just isn't true l. It's you know the the powers that one other inscrutable. Somehow mr android is here on amyloid heavy episode security. Now i lucked out right on. Well we've got a whole lot of great stuff to talk about. Thank you steve for that. 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Kid-friendly jungled jimmy sort of things in the background and a one of those tube slides where with mike made of like real industrial tubing. That a kid would get in. You know like climb up the ladder at the high end get in and then slide down the inside and come shooting out of the of the End down like to hit a nicely. Saw dusted Covered ground anyway. This shows that the that the end the output end is it's covered over. Its there's a bolted piece of of plywood a completely closing the exit and it's someone has written slide closed on there and Of course and this this was titled a back end fix for front end issues which i got a kick out of course from a computer science standpoint you are were hoping that the top of the slide which is out of the picture we can't see it similarly has a big piece of closed Plywood bolted across it it. Because otherwise you'd be trouble your kid would would get in the front end. slide down. hit the ball back and bedding daniel. Mommy would be hearing some screaming about you. Know you have to try to climb back up the dubai guess worse if you have a pile up down there at the bottom so yes. Anyway we're assuming that the slide people were conscientious at have have blocked both openings. The front end the back end so I certainly hope so although looking closely yeah it really does. We don't know for sure based on the picture but looking closely at this slide see down at the bottom. There's a little notch so at least if you get locked in there you're not going to run out of air And you know really if you wanted to close the slide. It occurs to be that just closing the top would do the job. If you can't get it at the top there's snow slide to be had so although i will say i've seen many times climb up the bottom so you probably got to close it on both of you really want to keep them. As i had a childhood we will not go into in any detail. The big ubiquity. Cover up the the most tweeted to me issue in quite a while or longtime listeners. Know that i've been a fan of the ubiquity edge router ex Which is an amazingly affordable. Five port ethernet radyr. I think it was like forty nine dollars for you. Know max a forty nine dollars at the time on amazon and the thing that drew me to it was that it's five interface. Ports were actually individual knicks actually network interface controllers. It wasn't a router hooked like a one port win and four ports of land where they were actually just a digital switch so that for example that you know they were. They were all related to each other. These were individual knicks which meant they each have their own sub net to create a truly segmented network on the landside as i've often preached. This is the only way that is network segmentation and yeah. You can potentially use a v. land but it's mean. It's a little more tricky to do that. So this is the way to create a secure environment on today's land with many of our iot devices immediately upon hooking them up phoning home to chinese cloud services There can be no true security if those devices are allowed to sit on the same network as the families or small businesses lan. You're just europe. Sooner or later we're gonna be talking about this on the podcast so i'm not devices. Must be given their own isolated network And at the time that ubiquitous was the only cost effective solution for doing that. Today you know d- feature of more modern consumer wi fi routers is to have one or sometimes two guest channels which support the internetwork isolation Sometimes when i'm unable to reach my sonos speakers my ipad. It's because they're on. The iot wi fi am ipad as on the you know the real wi fi the the inter secure device wifi and they can't see each other. Which is what you want. So since we so often talked about ubiquity it should be no surprise that many of our listeners have made sure that i knew of the mess that has recently erupted over there. It was fresh last week I got some early indications on tuesday morning but there was still some man not took a look at it. Some things are still unknown. Brian krebs who was much involved with this was still sort of working out the details so i decided to hold off now. We know much more. It appears clear that ubiquity has been proactively covering up the extreme customer affecting severity of a data breach that put like probably all many of their customers networks at significant risk of unauthorized access. Brian krebs has cited an internal and unnamed whistle blower from within ubiquity. So any o'brien is very careful. If if brian says he has vetted the crap out of it. I mean he's i. I would absolutely believe what what. Brian is posting on his site. Krebs on security dot com so in january ubiquity seriously downplayed what it said was quote unauthorized access to certain of our information technology systems hosted by a third party cloud provider unquote. Okay well so while. That was literally correct. It was also quite vague The notice said that while there was no evidence. The intruders access user data. The company couldn't rule out the possibility that they obtained users names email addresses cryptographic hash passwords addresses and phone numbers ubiquity recommended at the time that users should change their passwords and enable two factor authentication so at this point that's you know standard generic post breach boilerplate. But last tuesday's report from. Brian was able to flesh this out. By citing that security professional within ubiquity who helped the company respond to the two month long breach which turns out began in december of twenty twenty. Brian's inside source reported that the breach was much worse than ubiquity had disclosed publicly thus my term cover up and that executives were minimizing the severity to protect the company's stock price You know prize there and to make matters worse. The breach follows ubiquitous ubiquitous. Push if not well it is now. It's become an outright requirement for cloud based accounts for users to set up at administer. The devices running their newer firmware versions. An article on ubiquity site says that during the initial setup of for example a unify dream machine which is a popular router home gateway appliance users will be prompted to log into their cloud based account or if they don't already have one to create an account. Then i'll just note. This is similar to my annoyance with Some versions apparently not although because i managed to bypass it but windows ten is now like the there had been away to just say no. I don't do not want to log in microsoft in order to look you know to create an account on my windows ten machine. I want to just do it. Offline and you have to now jump through hoops last time. I i did that anyway. So ubiquitous page states. You'll use this username and password to log in get this log in locally to the unified network controller hosted on the u. d m the utm's management settings or via the unify network portal for remote access so so i mean somewhere misguided though this was they thought oh you know everything we want cloud our users want cloud the wrong there but you know so even talk to the thing sitting next to you with blinking lights that you could see you later into the cloud and then you know they reach back to it. It's like oh. This is a recipe for disaster so these changes had not gone. Unremarked upon ubiquitous customers are decidedly unhappy complaining about the cloud logging requirement and the risk it inherently poses to the security there devices. Any of our listeners would understand that this is not a good idea. I mean okay. In some use cases yes but not as a blanket requirement where. You can't configure the device that you know who's core you. Keep tripping over without logging into some cloud in china. Thank you so As i noted previously according to brian's inside contact whoever and he calls this guy adam just for convenience so we don't know his name so we'll call him adam After all atom was the start of all this The data that was accessed adam. Alleges was much more extensive and sensitive than ubiquity portrayed so i'll paraphrase a bit for brevity from what brian wrote he's at in reality. Adam said the attackers had gained admin access. Okay the attackers had gained admin access to ubiquitous servers within amazon's cloud service. Okay so that's that third party cloud provider that they alluded to back in january. Turns out it's amazon. Aws which secures the underlying server hardware and software but still requires the cloud tenant meaning the ubiquity. The user of aws services the cloud tenant to secure access to any data stored there which apparently they were little lacking in. They were able to bay. They attackers were able to get cryptographic secrets for single sign on cookies and remote access full source code control contents. And signing keys exfiltration in other words it. Yeah full admin access rights. Adam says the attackers had access to privileged credentials that were previously stored in the last pass account of a ubiquity. It employees so okay they were. It was secure their. Oh let's put it in the cloud anyway and gained as a consequence route admin access to all ubiquity. Aws accounts including all s. Three data buckets all application logs off. Databases all user database credentials and secrets required afford single sign on cookies in other words. The this entire ubiquity cloud infrastructure was compromised and ubiquity had previously forced all of at least they're newer users who were upgrading firmware. Even of older older devices to switch to the new and better cloud solution so this would allow. Adam was explaining the intruders to remotely authenticate to countless ubiquity cloud based devices around the world all those owned by ubiquitous customers. According to its website ubiquity has shipped more than eighty five million devices that play a key role in networking infrastructure. In over two hundred countries and territories territories worldwide. All which or many of which at least are now vulnerable. Any that had been updated to use. Ubiquity is now mandatory cloud facility were vulnerable to remote takeover and even after all this ubiquity continues spewing the corporate line they said quote as we informed on january eleventh. We were the victim of a cybersecurity incident that Yeah that involved. Unauthorized access to our it systems given the reporting by brian krebs there is newfound interest and attention in this matter and we would like to provide our community with more information by not doing so They said at the outset. Please note that nothing has changed with respect to our analysis of customer data and the security of our products since our notification on january eleventh in response to this incident we leveraged external incident response experts to a thorough investigation to ensure the attacker was locked out of our systems. Yes the barn door has been securely locked closed and locked. There's nothing in the barn but boy is our barn secure You know after they were rummaging around and took everything for two months these experts. They continue identified. No evidence that customer information was accessed or even targeted okay. The attacker who unsuccessfully attempted to extort the company threatening to release right that information that apparently wasn't stolen in the first place okay. I'm sorry to tight threatening to release stolen source code and specific. It credentials never claimed to have accessed any customer information though. Having all this along with other evidence is why we believe what we want. And i'm sorry. We believe that customer data was not the target of or otherwise accessed in connection with the incident at this point have well developed evidence that the perpetrator is an individual with intricate knowledge of our cloud infrastructure. As we are cooperating with law enforcement in an ongoing investigation we cannot comment further. All this said as a precaution. We still encourage you to change your password if you have not already done so including on any website where you use the same user. Id or password. We also encourage you to enable two factor authentication. Maybe you should use three on your ubiquity accounts if you have not already done so so okay our takeaway for the podcast is ubiquitous. Skeptical customers were one hundred percent correct to object to upgrade their systems firmware which offered them no alternative other than to manage their own local devices through an online cloud service. That's insane and this meant that. All of these devices were now vulnerable to remote access compromise though they had never been before this you know. Clouds centralization clearly wrongheaded from the start anyone using these cloud of ubiquity devices should obviously have change their passwords. At the first inkling of this and certainly i agree with the advice. Used two factor authentication if you can't get three if you haven't already done so and given that intruders ubiquitous network had access to single sign on cookies and secrets enabling remote access including signing keys. It would also be a good idea annoying though it is to delete any access profiles associated with any of those devices. Make sure the devices using the latest firmware and then recreate profiles under brand new credentials and of course as always remote access should always be disabled. Unless it's truly needed There we're going to be running across many things during this podcast where where stuff is being done. Just because it can be and you know that's not security. That's not secure so anyway. That's the story on ubiquity. And yes i. I'm up to speed and i'm certainly disappointed in them The good news is there are now more better more modern much more consumer-friendly alternatives for doing things like setting up sequestered in segmented iot networks. Most iot things are wi fi anyway. So the i you know what we talked about back then was getting you know an old pokey t base ten or one hundred Router or you know set up as an access point and plugging it into one of the ubiquity routers ports so you could you could create a sequestered and segmented wi fi that you could you know all your plugs in your light bulbs and your thermostats and things could be connected to because you really just don't want those things on the same land as stuff you really care about. Which is everything not iot. So we we have facebook's we have five hundred and thirty three million three hundred and thirteen thousand one hundred and twenty eight user woopsie. We talked a lot about this. Facebook breach back when it happened was two years ago in twenty nineteen and now the data that was taken during that intrusion has all just been released onto the dark web for free. You don't have to pay inning This includes the full username though the full names facebook real real world names facebook. Id's mobile phone numbers physical locations email addresses genders occupations city country marital status account creation date and file details which were which in this massive database are broken down by country with over at least thirty two million records belonging to users in the us alone. Eleven million in the uk six million users in india and so forth. So when i saw this. I thought you know you gotta love it. That facebook has a position there. Titled director of strategic response communications. You could imagine the conversation High what do you do well. My name is liz bourgeois. it actually is an. I'm the director of strategic response communications for facebook and says wow so when the you know what hits the fan. You're the person who gets quoted in the media while managing to never say anything meaningful and liz respond. Yes that's a perfect job description. Then this case. Liz said quote this is old data that was previously reported on in two thousand and nineteen. We found and fix this issue in august of two thousand nineteen. Oh okay well. So the data is old then what that creaky old data must no longer apply right. People have all changed their names and phone numbers and facebook. id's they all moved and change their genders and so forth. So we really don't need to worry that the data of five hundred and thirty three million three hundred and thirteen thousand one hundred twenty eight facebook users from only two years ago. It's not so old really is now being offered for free in bulk on the dark web. Thanks liz for while there. This seemed like it might be a big deal And that was by the way a beautifully executed strategic response very strategic. That's why that's why. She is the director of strategic response. Communications yes you want that at the top of your resume for your next position of that same title so when name. Liz bourgeois to be in charge of your strategic response. Okay so just to remind our listeners. The data is known to have been obtained. We talked about this two years ago. Apparently in august By exploiting a vulnerability in facebook ad friend feature which enabled automated scripts to scrape with abandon facebook users public profiles and associated private phone numbers in bulk. It's true that the leak was fixed and at the time i remember being somewhat sympathetic to the complexity of doing what facebook was doing that we got into the deep details of the of the api and it was like. Oh okay this you know you. You could kind of understand how this happened. But at the same time. I remember expressing our worry that facebook's controls allowed it to happen in the first place. We we need them to do better. We need better from them And i suspect that you know for liz. Well she's likely a lost cause if you're wondering where the you might be affected by this. Massive facebook data dump troy hunts. Have i been postponed. Site has your answer and it just got upgraded since i wrote this Last evening so And i had the update troy hunt and thanks to simon's rafa. Who tweet i saw just before. The podcast troy hunt has a long tweet thread on twitter about his recent edition of the leaked facebook data appearing on the web. Link to the tweet if you're curious and it's on the screen. Thank you jason or producer. Whoever's doing this the upshot is that the data appears to be not only incomplete but sparse when it comes to facebook user email addresses which is what troy's have been pony site is currently set up to cross reference of the five hundred and thirty three plus million facebook member records only two and a half million include an email address. What we really want in this case is a phone number which is far more highly represented in the data troy yesterday indicated that he's exploring the possibility of allowing users to search on their phone numbers. Okay since then it happened. He says he says In his most recent posting over on troy hunt dot com. These the facebook phone numbers are now searchable in have i been postponed. He said the headline is pretty self explanatory so in the interest of time let me just jump directly into the details of how all this works. There's been huge. He has an italic interest in this incident and he said i've seen near unprecedented traffic to have been postponed over the last couple of days. Let me do my best to explain how i've approached the phone number search feature or if you're impatient and then he has a link he says what's changed and i'll just share the top of this. He said i'd never planned to make phone number searchable and indeed. This user voice idea sat there for over five and a half years without action. My position on this was that it didn't make much sense for a bunch of reasons. First phone numbers appear far less frequently than email addresses second. They're much harder. To parse out of most data sets. He says i. E i can't just rejects them out of with you know rejects them out like email addresses can be and three. They vary often. Don't adhere to a consistent format across breaches and countries of origin. Right it's phil famously. Hard to even use a foreign phone number because how many digits how's it grouped blog blah. So he's as plus when the whole modus operandi of have i been phoned is to literally answer the question. Have i been postponed so long as there are email addresses. That can be searched phone numbers. Don't add a whole lot of additional value. and then i'll conclude with this. He said the facebook data changed all that there's over five hundred million phone numbers but only a few million email addresses so greater than ninety nine percent of people were getting a miss when they should have gotten a hit. The phone numbers were easy to parse out from mostly well formatted files they were also all normalized into a nice consistent format with a country code in short this data set you know. It was pre processed by facebook after all all cleaned up and made searchable This data set completely turn. He said all of my reasons for not doing this on their head. So anyway i have. I been postponed dot com. You can now put your phone number what you had then what you have now various phone numbers and see you get any hits on that data so once again. Thanks to troy for this. Yeah that's good. I haven't been on facebook in a while and Nothing comes up as as being toned. So i did it that time. That's what you want at. We don't want a sip of water. Jason so i'm gonna take. Let's take a break here. And i'm going to wet my whistle. Absolutely you do that. We'll take a break and we'll thank the sponsor of this episode of security now and it is i t pro tv. 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Plant in oldsmar florida. That was the one that i wo- you know. Got everybody's attention And that one was in early february but it may have put other similar facilities on alert Certainly being second with something very much the same Gets a lot more on your face because like wait a minute. You know after february. You're saying you guys didn't change your security protocols you didn't you know. Make sure nothing like this could happen. Again well we were. We were gonna anyway saturday before last on march twenty a young twenty two year old named wyatt trav- traveling to check living in ellsworth county. Kansas is believed to have well pretty well confirmed but will call it and belief at this point to a broken into a protected computer system belonging to the county's post rock rural water district for some reason he used his illegal access to shut down the cleaning and disinfecting processes at the facility. You want your water cleaned and disinfected whenever you can get it that way so turn that off is not good. The public reports don't specify whether any contamination may have resulted to the water supply but authorities are not taking this lightly at all why it was quickly identified and indicted on the serious charges that he had access to a public water facilities computer system jeopardizing the safety and health of the residents of the local community so why it has been charged with one count of tampering with a public water system. And which is. I guess a thing. You can be charged with And one count of reckless damage to a protected computer during unauthorized access. According to the department of justice so lance air rig the special agent in charge of the environmental protection agencies are. epa's criminal investigation division located in. Kansas said quote by illegally tampering with a public drinking water system. The defendant threatened the safety and health of an entire community. Epa and as law enforcement partners are committed to upholding the laws designed to protect our drinking water systems from harm or threat of harm. And we're all glad for that. He said today's indictment sends a clear message that individuals who intentionally violate these laws will be vigorously prosecuted so lantis comments suggest that there might be some embarrassment factor and reaction over no one having been identified and held accountable for the previous very high profile headline making event in oldsmar florida. Wyatt's indictment does not specify whether his attack was successful nor how it was detected. But if why it should be found guilty. He faces up to twenty five years in federal prison and total fine of half a million dollars. The other salient fact. Here is it turns out why it was not some naive opportunistic. Post teenage hacker. The indictment tells that he was previously employed by the water district and his employment capacity required him to remotely log into the water district's computer system or basis. So he knew what he was doing and how to do it. He quite deliberately shut down the water cleaning and disinfecting process at the facility. Which i don't know at least in my mind seems extra creepy and far less prone for sympathy the same time this also suggests the water officials at that facility also failed to properly secure credentials. Not proactively removing. Why it's remote access account. After he left deal they said on whatever terms he was no longer employees there and he was still able to access the computer remotely duh so you know yeah they may have not been able to do so conveniently if for example. Maybe everyone was sharing the same credentials. So that was harder than just changing. Wyatt's if everybody's had to change but that's no excuse of course in any event. Let's hope that word of this spreads and that at least our own domestic hackers learn the lesson that messing around with public. Utilities is not something that the us justice department is going to ever take lightly. I think that seems clear and reasonable absolutely. Yeah yeah yeah you know. You're a ex waterworks. Employees who logs in and shuts down cleaning and disinfecting. I'm okay on. Why are you doing this joy. The joy the water in prison wyatt. Yeah so here. We are jason android. Jason knows a little something about android android. Yes steve so. On the android platform apps have all able to detect the presence of specific apps even collecting a full list of installed apps through the query all packages privilege. And what's more apps can be set to receive notifications when a new app is installed that feature. I have to say really has the smell of. Hey wouldn't it be neat. If we let apps be informed when other apps are installed just think of all the cool things you could do with that unfortunately as we frequently see cool things you could do is often quickly turned to the dark side. It doesn't take a rocket scientist. Or even a computer scientist to observe that this wide open facility would provide yet another means for fingerprinting devices and profiling their users and it's not just theoretical seven years ago back in two thousand fourteen. Twitter twitter began tracking the list of apps installed on users devices as part of its app graph initiative with an aim to deliver tailored content and the digital wallet company moby. Quick was also caught collecting information about installed apps in the wake of data breach that just recently came to light earlier this week. Excuse me and a study published by a team of swiss researchers two years ago in two thousand nineteen concluded that quote. Free apps are more likely to query for such information and that third party. Libraries are the main request irs of the list of installed apps. The swiss researcher said that quote as users have on average eighty apps installed on their phones. Most of them being free. There's a high chance of untrusted third parties obtaining the list of installed apps and a year ago in march of twenty twenty two academe study found that four thousand two hundred and fourteen. Google play apps. Stealthily collected a list of all other installed apps to allow developers and advertisers to build detailed profiles of users. And you can imagine is like hey google. That's us do it so it must be okay Android makes this convenient with two s function calls get installed packages and get installed applications which return a list. So it's like pay. Look they're all right there You know i'm going to impress my boss by using them and saying hey look what we can do now. Well yeah if if we can why not makes it possible. Why not data. Stop us exactly. So the reason we're highlighting this long running behavior. Because google is about to clamp down on this cool but overly permissive and abuse baking. I mean this begs to be abused you know. We don't need to know what else to use her has but if we ask android we'll tell so why not you know as they say you can ask so google developer program policy march thirty one announcement reads. We're updating the following policies. All new and existing apps will receive a grace period of at least thirty days from march. I i'm sorry. March thirty first. Twenty twenty one. Unless otherwise stated to comply with the following changes package visibility effective september. Twenty twenty one. The inventory of installed apps queried from device are regarded as personal and sensitive user data subject to the personal and sensitive information policy and the following requirements apps that have a core purpose to launch search or inter operate with other apps on the device may obtain scope appropriate visibility to other installed apps on the device as outlined below. I but they describe as broad visibility. Broad visibility is the capability of an app to have extensive or broad visibility of the installed apps. The packages on a device may said for apps targeting. Api level thirty or later broad visibility installed apps via the query all packages permission is restricted to specific use cases where awareness of and or interoperability with any and all apps on the device are required for the app to function. And you can imagine you know things like launcher apps that inherently need access to you know to see all the apps it would be available to launch. Would be example. You know but you know not some puzzle game that is free. it's got no need to ceiling else. They said you may not use the query all packages permission. If you're app can operate with a more targeted scoped package visibility declaration for example querying and interacting with specific packages instead of requesting broad visibility. Also use of alternative methods to approximate the broad visibility level associated with the query all packages permission or also restricted to use her facing core app functionality and interoperability any apps via this method. They finally said please see help. Center article for allowable use cases for the query all packages permission. Basically you know they're really gonna lock down on this and what they're doing with developers is an. I didn't have this show notes but it was in in the broader content that i read Indicating that the developers would have some grace period to remove their request for that privilege unless they could demonstrate they They truly need it but if it is left in there and they don't pull it out those apps and get pulled from the google play store then they also said at the same level as brought up the other is limited app visibility where they said limited visibility is what an app minimizes access to data by queering for specific apps using more targeted instead of broad methods for example querying for specific apps that satisfy your apps manifest declaration. You may use this method to query for apps in cases where your app has policy compliant interoperability or management of these apps and finally visibility to the inventory of installed apps on device must be directly related to the core purpose or core that users access within your app. Meaning you know the whole app visibility. Can't be some other thing that the app wants to do that isn't about you know solving the maze puzzle. Maze puzzles. don't need to know. What other apps you have on the machine so again. It's it's really needs to be focused. So what we're really seeing is a you know a decision being made this is not okay It's truly unfortunate in my opinion that we know we cannot have nice things or at least that a massively widely used and deliberately permissive system with all the original features and benefits of android is inevitably being slowly whittled down locked down and tightened up. I recall many times hearing leo so often proclaim that he was using android explicitly for its deliberately non apple freedom and its openness. He loved you. Know the all the extra stuff he was able to do. And it's clear that google and their android engineering designers had their hearts in the right place they wanted to create. They set out to create a free and open platform for the world to us but naive users need to be protected from all the things that they're they're open pocket computer might do. That's against their interest and their expectations. Know this podcast titled spy in our pocket. Due to some new and worrisome research as i mentioned from dublin ireland. But there's a much broader sense in which we're all carrying around little spies in our pockets and this is one of them. You know the you know the idea that apps were saying. I'd like to have the Query all packages permission. Because i'd like to query all packages after all you didn't say i couldn't so even though i don't need the information i'd like to have it. You know who knows feels to me like When we look at kind of the way the technology world has has kind of you know. continued to expand and grow in the past ten years. That what once was a very noble Can goal for google to keep android this very open platform and to do all these open. Things open in air quotes when compared to a more closed platform like irs. We're just in a different technology world. Now we're we're at a point now where there's a lot more awareness even among general users general consumers about what it means to have privacy on our data and protect our data to protect our security and i just i think that our awareness has shifted to the point to where google needs to make these changes now. Whatever their their intentions were for a feature like this before as noble as they may be. You're right now. There are there are actors out there that are happy to take advantage of that and maybe they were there before we would just weren't as about it but now so many more people are aware of this that it puts pressure on google to make changes like this. And that's why we're here. that's my you know. Just look at the all the brouhaha that was stirred up by the in the early days of covid by the initiative to do recent proximity via bluetooth. We did a podcast on it. We looked at the technology. It was beautifully code developed by apple and google. It didn't matter everyone's like you know. But the fact is and we'll see this at the end of the podcast. That's nothing nothing compared to what is actually happening on our on all of our phone platforms today. You know the the idea that you are near some other phone for a while. Well they they know that now without any bluetooth without any proximity tracking without any permissions. All of that is being sucked up. You know the if they made a mistake. And i'm not saying it was a mistake of horse. They had to tell us but it was just saying. We're going to have this feature to our phones to you know for the benefit of the world. No well yeah so. Yeah we nature. Yeah exactly as you said. Jason this is not the world that android was developed in or or first conceived in writings have changed. A lot changed a lot. Yeah so. I'm sure that none of our listeners are cheating with call of duty you know. Nobody nobody who listen to this podcast. I know nobody would do that now. Maybe paul no. No not even paul everywhere. I looked in the tech press this past week. I mentioned of the new. Malicious game cheats for active visions call of duty warzone. The idea of infecting gamers through militias cheats You know it's not new. It's become a long time persistent and popular means for bad guys sneaking their malicious code into the machines of unsuspecting though somewhat less than completely virtuous game players who are willing to cheat to get ahead in the game still malware malware and the need to obtain an edge even if not ethically is inducing gamers to drop their systems built in protections. The cheats that is this. The so-called cheats the the cheating software systems instruct gamers to run that the installation that cheat install as an admin and of course disabled their antivirus. An oh that's interesting. Because the gamer knows they're downloading and attempting to run something that shady in the first place so to them. It might make sense that they would need to give the installer. Admin rights and of course disabled their antivirus system upon which they would otherwise be depending. But in this one case. You know i. I need that cheese stuff. So let's just let it in. And as we know while these voluntary circumventions are often needed for a cheap to work. They also then make it easier for malware to survive reboots and go undetected. And what's actually being installed often is remote access trojans so called rat. Malware that you know opens up a connection off to russia or wherever And gives that the people who perpetrated all this access to those machines so and you know we'll all of their guard being down users won't get warnings of the infection or the software is seeking high privileges because they gave the privileges to them to start with so activision noted in their report by writing. While this method is rather simplistic that. Is you know asking asking for what you want. It is ultimately social engineering technique that leverages the willingness of its target players who wished to cheat to voluntarily lower their security protections and ignore warnings about running potentially militias software. Activision also surprised at a long list of warzone cheat engine variants that installed malware of all descriptions and wider so many it's being distributed using the increasingly popular affiliate model act divisions analysis indicated that multiple malware forums are regularly advertising. A kit that customizes. The fake cheat. The kit makes it easy to create versions of warzone cheat engines that deliver militias chosen by the soon to be attacker. Who plans to offer it. The people selling the kit advertise it as an effective way to spread malware and quote some nice bit for your first malware project. So that's writes script kitties you can now. You don't have to understand this. You just set this up and turn it loose. The sellers have even posted youtube videos. That promote the kit and explain how to use it so turnkey cheat. Wear for a super popular game packaged. For repackaging by affiliates. It might not be worth that endless ammo or speed or invincibility In any event. While i'm sure that none of ours as i said our listeners would stoop so low as to something like this. If anyone knows a hot gamer who might. It could be worth dropping them a word of caution in this case. It may not be a free cheat that you're downloading after all q. Nap for this podcast. I've been trying. I successfully to avoid talking about q. Nap sort of like. I tried to avoid talking endlessly about ransomware. You is that. I didn't so far and there was a bunch of stuff that happened. You know some crazy ransomware people Set the ransom at forty million dollars for a school district like like a school district has forty million dollars. They can't even afford pencils these days so anyway i don't talk about that because it's just it's it's it's just too much of a target rich environment so as q napa turns out everybody at this point knows. Ransomware is bad it exists you know. What are you going to do but every indication is that q nap. The company is also bad and they produce things that are bad meaning insecure and in many cases. Insecure -able yet. They are the number one chinese supplier of network attached storage devices and they hold by some accounts about a sixty nine percent market share of the network attached storage nass market globally. So when something really bad happens and continues to happen we have to talk about it. Few things are more important than the security of network attached storage after all it's network and it's attached and it's storage presumably. It storing things that its users might like to keep secure and perhaps even confidential and given that the new attacks are the new attacks that we're seeing on on networks and corporations are pivot style. Where an attacker i gets into a device on a private network land boundary which forms a bridge between the private land and the public internet and then pivots to use that as the the launching pad for attacks into the land network to which they now have access. You know it's not so much that someone's laundry list might become public as an intruder can now leverage their position on these appliances To to launch much more devastating and serious intrusions. So how what happened this time. Security researchers at sam seamless networks publish their report last wednesday containing news that they had been sitting on for months as in four months in an attempt to be responsible but q nap was. Not sam's report is titled. New vulnerabilities allow complete device. Takeover i've edited and shortened. Did a bit for the podcast but basically it reads sam's security. Research team is actively looking for vulnerabilities in iot devices. That have that have yet to be discovered in order to ensure our network. Security coverage is as accurate and up-to-date as possible sam's engine subsequently blocks such vulnerabilities from the first day of their discovery often prior to the vendor resolving it and i would say yeah if they're blocking on the on the first day discovery they're they're oftentimes way ahead of any vendors resolving it they said below is a summary of two recent vulnerabilities and their potential impacts that our research team discovered in a specific kind of nass device made by q. Nap it's standard practice to report. The discovered vulnerabilities to the vendor and allow for a ninety two hundred and twenty day grace period for them to resolve it prior to notify the public s. Seen in the timeline below. We followed the responsible. Disclosure procedure and immediately reported it to the vendor especially as the impacts of their exploitation are significant. These vulnerabilities are severe in nature as they allow for full takeover of devices from the network meaning public internet including access to the users store data without any prior knowledge. They say we discovered to critical vulnerabilities in q. Nap tss to thirty one's latest firmware version. Four dot three dot six one dot one one dot one four six which was Nine twenty nine twenty twenty so last year august. The two vulnerabilities first web server allows a remote attacker with access to the web server. Running on default port eighty eighty to execute arbitrary shell commands without prior knowledge of the web credentials whoops and their dna server allows a remote attacker with access to the dna server running on default port. Twenty two. i'm sorry. Eighty two hundred to create arbitrary file data on any non existing location without any prior knowledge or credentials it can also be elevated to execute arbitrary commands on the remote nass as well so. Yeah they're complete device. Takeover titling is no exaggeration. They said these may affect other models and firmware versions as well and we know how likely that is. Because most of these are a common base of firmware then spread across devices with different port configurations and capacities and so forth. And here comes they wrote. We reported both vulnerabilities to q. Nap with a four month. Grace period to fix them. Unfortunately as of the publishing of this article the vulnerabilities have not yet been fixed. So after one hundred twenty days nothing. They said due to the seriousness of the vulnerabilities and here salute these guys. This is this got to be the new protocol. They said we decided not to disclose even after four months. The full details yet as we believe. This could cause major harm to tens of thousands of q nap devices exposed to the internet. Okay so then under their technical details which are brief. Because as i said they're not disclosing they a lay out the scenario and note that even now they are continuing to be super responsible vulnerability number one our c. e. remote code execution vulnerability affects any kyun app device exposed to the internet. They wrote this vulnerability resides in the nass web server running on eighty previous our c. e. attacks remote code execution attacks on q. Nap nass models relied on web pages which do not require authentication and run slash trigger code on the server side. We've therefore inspected some cgi files which implement such pages and fuzzed a few of the more relevant ones most of the cgi files that are available through the web server reside at the path. Name the inspection. We fuzzed the web server with customized. Atp requests to different cgi pages with focus on those that do not require prior author authentication. We've been able to generate an interesting scenario. Which triggers remote code execution indirectly in other words triggers. Some behavior in other processes. And that's all they're saying about it in the hopes. That q nap will awaken from their long queue. Nap and get this fixed. They said under process for solving vulnerability they said. The vendor can fix a vulnerability by adding input sanitization to some core processes and library api's but as not but has not been fixed as of this writing and they've of course disclose it all said. Here's what it is. Here's how you do it. You know this is horrible. Fix it so october. Twelve twenty twenty full disclosure reported to q. Nap security team ny. Eleven days later. October twenty third sent another email to q. Nap security team Now we're at october thirty first halloween automatic reply from q. Nap support with a ticket number. Okay so that took what days Just to get an automatic reply with a ticket number january twenty sixth send a notification to q. Nap about end of grace period. Which is planned to end on february twelfth on the twenty. Sixth reply from kyun ap. Oh my god same day. Kyun app help desk. The problem is confirmed but still in progress. Okay now up to february. Twelfth grace period has elapsed. They still wait march twenty march thirty first so they gave them from february twelfth. Another six weeks initial blog post published. That's this still not disclosing details just like please fix this. You idiots vulnerability number two arbitrary file right vulnerability As we know this isn't the dna server Listening on public port. Eighty two hundred. They said the deal. And i'll deal and d. l. and a server is implemented as the process of my upnp media server and handles upnp requests on port. Eighty two hundred. What could possibly go wrong with that. Let's let's put. upnp on the public internet. They said we discovered the vulnerability during an investigation of the process is a bet they did and communicated and communication both externally and internally they wrote we've been able to elevate that vulnerability to remote code execution on the remote nass as well so across the public internet same ab- shorter Disclosure timeline but same basic idea. So hopefully this public embarrassment may finally work to get q. Naps long overdue attention in all we can hope you know no good would come. From sam's more full disclosure given the nature of attacks. I'd argue that there would never be any reason for them to disclose but if they don't convincingly threatened to do so it's quite clear that these problems are just going to sit there and kyun apps irresponsible behavior will continue so the only way to motivate them is to give them time then to embarrass them. it's hard to imagine any good coming from going further as i started out saying i've been avoiding talking about kyun app. Things keep going by. And i think okay but you know what are you gonna do But you know. I've already let many similar stories go uncovered and so please. Everyone take this to heart for your own benefit. When you're choosing a nasa supplier let's reduce the market share of these people. And if you already have cue nap devices find some use for it inside your network. Remove it from the public internet. I don't think there's a safe way to have these things exposed on the internet and before we take our final break one piece of listener feedback. That i really got a kick out of. This is from His name as the realist- m. f. and he's tweeting at from max feinleib or leib. Finally he said great remark from my college. Cs professor so of course computer science professor quote. There are too hard problems in computer. Science cache coherence naming things and off by one errors but trump's which is very clever. Because of course that was three things. And it's funny. I mean i'm a coder. That's what i do and i completely agree. I've talked about the problem with naming things Names tend to drift over time. You name something for what you think it is and later it. You don't remember For a perfect example. If i'm deep into spin right six point one. Right now and i. I saw that decades ago. I was calling something assize. Well like you know drive size. Well in what in bites in sectors what go. It's it's unclear. So you know. And i guess my habits have evolved as a coder. I just don't do that anymore. I'm i'm very conscious bites or drive sector size. Y'all make it clear but the other thing you have to be very sure about when you're naming things is that is that that your own use of that thing once it's named doesn't expand so that the name. The original name no longer applies. That's another thing that i've noticed can happen over time where it's like wait a minute. That's not what that's doing. You know maybe once but not now. I you know i changed. But i didn't change the name so that and then of course famously off by one errors on my god. I mean the what i do is i'm i will vary. I like resort to paper and pencil needing to make sure that i'm like copying a range of bites from here to there especially if like the rangers. Overlapping i put my pointer here. Okay now is it that many things like like you know. The number of things between the start in the end index. You know is not the difference between them. You know. it's the difference plus one if you're counting the items inclusively so inclusive versus and so on anyway. Anyone who's done any serious coating understands that like oops. That's where a lot of the bugs are so anyway. Got a big kick out of that bit of twitter feedback. Thank you very much and jason. Let's take our last break and then we're going to talk about what the Irish researchers found in their pockets. Which yeah i'll get so. I'm safe for you to see me. That's to jokes in the last three minutes on security. Now love it all right. Let's take a break and thank the sponsor and then we'll get into the main event. But i the of security now is brought to you by bandwidth bandwidth provides communication services built for innovative enterprises sip and emergency services and fused literally infused with the power of software Create smoother migrations in a more innovation ready platform for your cloud future. 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Now that's bandwidth dot com slash security. Now we think bandwidth for their continued support of this show. All right the main event Where steve tells us why carrying around a phone in our pocket money always be the best thing in the world. Although it's kinda hard to put that genie back in the bottle. It's kind of what we do now at for so long it's our habit. And that is what i conclude The journey is interesting. this week's podcast owes its title to The title of the research paper recently published by douglas leafs group at trinity college in dublin. Ireland he is In the school of computer science and statistics there And i've mentioned before. I have a fond memory of sort of a fleeting memory of trinity college from my visit to the dublin. Chapter of o-of sp- In september of two thousand nineteen to demonstrate squirrel to them. Laurie and i watched the beautiful trinity campus. Pass by we were attempting to figure out how to open the doors of the metropolitan transit. We never did so. We missed our opportunity to walk around. Maybe someday so But in any event. Douglas titled his team's research paper mobile handset privacy measuring the data. Ios an android. Send to apple and google now. Needless to say neither apple nor google are pleased about having a third party poking around into their devices communications. They'd rather that no one did. But we're all familiar with the phrase keeping them honest which i think applies here. It's not at all that either of these behemoths are attempting to do anything explicitly nefarious. I would argue that. It's more likely. The case and recent history will all forms of computing teaches us that without adequate supervision and especially when an entity imagines that no one will ever look. The strong tendency is to collect data less because it's truly needed. Then because it's there and today bandwidth storage and computation. Might as well be free. So slurp it all up just in case and we'll see whether we might actually have any need for any of it later. I mean we were just talking about the case of the android app. Packages installed dislike well android offers an api. The let's be get a list of all the apps installed on the phone along with me. Why not use it right. Except google says no no more. You need to prove you need it in this case They're not taking their own advice. But we'll get there so i'll also note that one thing. These researchers do is notice how this information could be used and potentially abused not accusing anybody of that. No but they're seeing what is being collected so k. against that backdrop their papers abstract summarizes what they're independent analysis found. They said we investigate. Data ios on an iphone shares with apple. And what data. Google android on a pixel phone shares with google. We find that even when minimally configured and the handset is idle both i o s and android share data with apple and google on average every four and a half minutes the phone. Imet i a hardware serial number. The sim card serial number. And i m s i handset phone number etc are shared with apple and google both ios android transmit telemetry despite the user explicitly. Opting out of this one. A sim is inserted. Both ios and android send details to apple and google ios sends the mac of all nearby devices and other handsets and the network gateway to apple together with their gps location users. Have to opt out of this and currently there are few if any realistic options for preventing this data sharing again okay. They're not saying that there's anything inherently wrong with doing this but someone needs to ask. Why why are they collecting this data. What's being done with it. Certainly as technologists. We can readily envision many things that we would not like to have done with all this information so if apple google are not doing. Any of those worrisome things. What are they doing and if they're not doing an and if they're doing nothing with any of that information that wise being collected certainly some of that is truly essential to the as we know the base band operation of any cellular radio system. We know that the the nature of cellular service requires at an ongoing back and forth dialogue with nearby cell towers. Even when you're not using your phone you can see how many bars of reception you have right. That's all going on in the background but none of that should involve any data above the level of cellular connection maintenance or if it does documentation and disclosure should be available yet. None is thus research is required. The researchers organized their presentation very nicely in layers of successive detail with each layer. Going down to provide more specifics. So i wanna share just their top level of detail which is all we need to fill in the relevant facts for our purposes. And for what it's worth i've got linked to the pdf here in the show notes. And it shows you the detailed protocol back and forth handshaking nitty gritty. So it's all there. I've lightly edited their presentation for better delivery through this podcast and included a link to their full research paper so again anybody who wants to know everything can they wrote at the top level. They wrote in this paper. We investigate the data that mobile handset operating systems share with the mobile. Os developer in particular. What data. I o s on an iphone shares with apple and what data google's android on pixel phone shares with google while the privacy of mobile handsets has been much studied. Most of this work has been focused on measurement of the app tracking and advertising ecosystem and much less attention has been paid to the data sharing by the handset. Os with the mobile os. Developer handset operating systems do not operate in a standalone fashion but rather operate in conjunction with back end infrastructure. Meaning you know. Maintaining a constant link to the mothership. They said so. For example handset operating systems check for updates to protect users from exploits and malware to facilitate running a field trials for example to test new features before being rolled out to provide telemetry and so forth hence while people are using an iphone the irs operating system shares data with apple and when using a pixel the operating system shares data with google. And this is part of each devices normal operation to allow direct comparisons. We define ferrets. That can be applied. Uniformly to the handsets studied that generate reproducible behaviour. Both apple and google provides services that can be an almost always are used in conjunction with their handsets for example search. Siri and okay. Google cloud storage icloud and google drive maps and location services apple maps google maps photo storage and analytics apple. Photo google photos. They said we endeavor to keep these two aspects separate to focus on the handset operating system in itself separate from optional services like those. We assume a privacy conscious but busy nontechnical user who when asked does not select options that share data with apple and google but otherwise leaves handset settings at their default value in other words given a choice. No but they're not gonna go dig in and try to turn everything off. In these tests we evaluate the data shared one on first startup following factory reset so complete first startup absolutely clean phone to when a sim is inserted or removed three when a handset lies idle for when the screen settings is viewed. I'm sorry when the settings screen is viewed five when location is enabled and disabled and six when the user logs in to the pre installed apps store. We note that these tests can be partly automated and used for handset operating system privacy benchmarking that tracks in behavior over time as new software versions are released. They said the following table summarizes the main data that the handsets send to apple and google. And there's a multi column chart with two lines apple ios on the top line google android on the second line and pretty much. Everything is the same. Although google does not have location checked or apple does nor locate nor local ip address which is interesting not being collected whereas it is on ios and then device wi fi. Mac address not sent by apple. Apparently is by google and nearby wi fi mac addresses not being sent by android Is being sent the iphone so otherwise you know i m y hardware. She'll number both of them. Sims of them phone numbers over the that kind of stuff you know basic underlying cellular tech technology. You can imagine needing to be set. And they said this data is sent even when a user is not logged in may said. Excuse me indeed even if they have never logged in. In addition to the data listed in this table i o s shares with apple. The handsets bluetooth unique chip. Id these secure element ide- which is associated with us here element used for apple pay and context contactless payment. And as we know you know the secure enclave is like everything. And the wi fi mac addresses of nearby devices in other words of other devices in a household of the home gateway. And of course we know that wi fi is ethernet. An ethernet is uses package contained in ethernet packets. And that that that ethernet system uses addresses In in order to address the packets on the ethernet. So you're getting a huge amount of information they said when a handsets location setting is enabled. These mac addresses are also tagged with their gps location and it takes only one device to tag the home gateway mac address with its gps location and thereafter the location of any other devices. Reporting that mac address to apple is thus revealed right by social graphing connectivity. Graphing also note that sharing of these wi fi mac addresses allows linking of devices using the same network in the same household. Same office same shop cafe. Whatever and so. The construction of a social graph over time and place both irs and google android transmit telemetry despite the user explicitly. Opting out of this. However google collection notably larger volume of handset data than apple during the first ten minutes of startup. The pixel handset sends around a megabyte of data to google compared with the iphone sending around forty two k of data to apple when the handsets are sitting idle the pixel sends roughly a megabyte of data to google every twelve hours. Compared the iphone sending fifty. Two k to apple google collects they include around twenty times more handset data than apple. Not clear how relevant that is. You'd have to look at the data in detail to see whether you care and you just had on the on the Screen and also In the notes are two charts showing a very like at start up for android of a very steep upward climb and then it levels out whereas that's at startup whereas apple pretty much stays at a low per and then idle similarly android is just sending data out. I mean like lots of data more or less continuously over the course of Idle time whereas apple is going to continue as at a lower per the same time. I'm unhappy with what with what we know of. Some of what apple is sending. That just seems really unnecessary. So they said in twenty twenty. It is estimated that the us that in the us there are one hundred and thirteen million. So that's last year. What and thirteen million iphone users and one hundred twenty nine million android users assuming all of the android users have google. Play services enabled ben scaling up. Our measurements suggest that in the us alone apple collects around five point eight gigabytes of handset data every twelve hours while google collects around one point three terabytes of handset data in the same period of time where the handset is idle. The average time between connections to apple is two hundred and sixty four seconds while android connects to google on average every two hundred and fifty five seconds. So that's about comparable in other words. Both operating systems connect to their back end servers on average every four and a half minutes even when the handset is not being used. So yes jason that handset that may or may not be in your pocket. Mine would just sitting over on a charger but is otherwise in my pocket or on a charger. We're not doing anything. And every four and a half minutes. It's connecting back to the mother ship and zil sending a bunch of stuff. That is clearly not necessary for them to send. And that's the point of showing us. How this accumulates you know one point three terabytes of handset data for android in aggregate every twelve hours. Five point eight gigabyte for ios Why are they keeping it. Are they storing it. are they processing it. they parsing it. What are they doing and again. This is not cellular layer tower connections. This is connections. Back to apple and google they said with both ios and android inserting a sim into the handset generates connections that share. The sim details with apple or google. Okay fine similarly browsing the handset. Settings screen generates multiple network connections to apple or google which is interesting. I guess that's telemetry right. Like oh we want to collect all this data on you know what the users looking at okay. A number of the preinstalled apps and services are also observed to make network connections despite never having been opened or used in particular they wrote on ios. These include siri safari and icloud android. These include the youtube app. Chrome coup docs safety hub. Google messaging at the clock and the google search bar. Maybe the clock wanna make sure. It's set correctly the collection of so much data. They right by apple and google raises at least two major concerns. I this device data can be fairly rare can be fairly readily linked to other data sources for example once a user logs in as they must to use the pre installed app store then this device data gets linked to their personal details name email credit card cetera. Okay that's obvious and so potentially two other devices owned by the user. Oh that's true. That's not so obvious. Shopping purchases web browsing history. And so on. This is not merely a hypothetical concern since both apple and google operate payment services supply popular web browsers and benefit commercially from advertising. Second every time a handset connects with a back end server it necessarily reveals the handsets address. Which is a rough proxy for location. The high frequency of network connections made by both ios and android on average every four and a half minutes therefore potentially allow tracking by apple and google of device. Location over time with regard to mitigations of course users also have the option of to use handsets running mobile oh s.'s other than ios and android What blackberry they said for example ee slash os android. I'm sure you know what that is. Jason i have no idea they said but if they choose to use an iphone then they appear to have no options to prevent the data sharing that we observe they are of course a fire la firewall if were to configure it correctly. But if your cellular than no. They're unable to opt oh But if they choose an iphone than they appear to have no options to prevent the data sharing that we observed they are unable to opt out if they choose to use a pixel phone than it is possible to start up. The handset with the network connection disabled to prevent data sharing then disabled various google components. Especially google play services. Google play store and the youtube app before enabling connection to the internet in our tests. This prevented the vast majority of the data sharing with google. Although of course it means that a subsequent phone apps must be installed via an alternative store and cannot depend upon. Google play services. They said we note that many popular apps are observed to complain if google play services is disabled however further testing across a wider range of handsets and configurations is needed to confirm the viability of this potential. Mitigation when google play services and or google play. Store are used. This mitigation is not feasible and the data sharing google that we observe appears to be unavoidable so they conclude the top layer with ethical disclosure. The mobile i o s.'s. Studied here are deployed and in active use measurements of google. Play services back in traffic were previously disclosed by our group but the present study is broader in scope. We informed apple and google of our findings and delayed publication to allow them time to respond to date. Apple have responded only with silence. He said we sent three emails to apple's director of user privacy who declined even to acknowledge receipt of an email. I guess apple doesn't have one of those emergency response coordinator people that facebook has anyway And they said we also posted an information request at the apple privacy inquiries contact page apple dot com slash privacy slash contact but we have had no response. Google responded with a number of. I mean these are not bozo security researchers. I mean this is honest. this is true. Honest research being conducted by a a useful group who've done things before anyway. Google responded with a number of comments and clarifications which we have incorporated into this report. They also say that they intend to publish public documentation on the telemetry data. That they collect and mentioned. Didn't it's not in here but there is also a google disputing the twenty factor greater than ios claim. That these guys found that google didn't like that and they finished with Yeah they finished with a key. Consideration is what mitigations possible and on. What timescale can they be deployed. It seems likely that any changes to apple ios or google's android even if they were agreed upon will take a considerable time to deploy while keeping handset users in the dark for a long open ended period which seems wrong. So my take on this. Is that as we said at the top jason. The mitigation of this data collection as they described is largely impractical. You know no one's going to go through all those hoops and jumps and so forth and the only way to truly avoid it is to choose not to use a mobile handset. And who's going to do that. In this day and age these devices have become our science fiction. Globally connected super powerful pocket. Computers. i mean they're amazing But they're also inextricably tethered to their mothers and there's no breaking that bombed. We know that all of the privacy downside. The researchers painted for us is completely feasible. We don't know what's being done with the dato. Why is apple sending back all the back addresses of the other devices that it sniffs in our environment that just seems gratuitously unnecessary Are apple and google actually performing all of that linking to build sophisticated social graphs or device proximity connection histories at a low level. That's inaccessible to us. You know they certainly could be sharing our phones. I mea i and sim. Serial number seems benign and likely necessary to provide the services. We need but there's really no way to characterize the aggregation and forwarding of every mac address within the phones reach our ongoing active basis as anything less than surveillance apple may boast and they certainly do and use it as a selling factor that they are unable to see inside a locked phone but they certainly have the ability to tell law enforcement. Everything that iphone has has seen everyone. It's been near to what the proximity patterns are. It's bids location history through time in. That's a pretty serious encroachment into every iphone users privacy. You know i won't be given up my phone. And i'm sure that very few will no one probably But it might behoove us to keep in mind that we are each carrying a little spy in our pocket. Indeed and you mentioned earlier or rather the report mentioned E- slash alas. That's it's more like an open source. There's a versions of android. That are dry old entirely. And that's one. That's one of them. Basically removes google entirely and my my google just started off Entirely from the phone so you don't have any of the services you don't have any of that those like interlocking pieces you also don't have to play store. You know there are ways with android to basically remove google from the equation For the most part and but only certain people are going to even be aware to do that or certain. People are even going to care enough to do that. A lot of people. I think nowadays have just kind of resign themselves to the fact that yeah you know what like this is just the cost of doing business. The cost of having a smartphone. That does all the things i wanted to do. Is that it collects this data. And i'm not even sure that that data collection is nefarious. But whatever it's already done it's too late to to put it back you know. Yeah yeah. I guess One of the things. We've been talking about recently. Is that the tech savvy social responsibility to protect those who cannot protect themselves. And so you know look for example web web track and we talked about web browser tracking. We'll all the techies know about web browser tracking most users. Don't so you know as techies. Don't we have an obligation to to you. Know to make the world safer for everybody even if they don't have all the details about how this happens and you know i think there there's a. There's a a useful case to be made for the fact that yeah This should be fixed and yeah if nothing else apple should tell us. Tell us why you're collecting all this. You're doing it behind our backs. There's no disclosure of this. What are you doing with it and you know i. I would argue. If we knew the now would be fine. Yeah yeah well it would certainly be fine for for some people you know it'd be it would be enough to be like it'd be baffle. Apple's got a tight tight. Collaboration of all of their devices working together. This is just a component is. This is what enables it great. That's one of the benefits that i see in the apple ecosystem and i'm okay with it but other people. It's like any of that collection whatsoever. It's not okay That's part of the big challenge to write. There's just so many varying degrees of of comfort level with people and their data right now the big companies have to kind of guess. What is the sweet spot and they have to keep themselves in business to what i'm glad for the research and the disclosure because as i said there's a tendency to to for engineers especially well. No one will know what we're doing so you know why not you know. We got lots of bandwidth. We got lots of storage we got. we know. maybe we'll be able to use this someday. Maybe we'll do so so let's not well okay being called on the carpet for the the the data collection. You're doing is a why not because here's apple all jumping around selling privacy right. I mean the. Tim cook makes a huge deal of it. Well okay Except what about this. Oh well you know some so. Yeah if they're not using they should shut it off. Yeah if they are then what for what you just said there For for whatever reason. I hate that thought of like. We're collecting the data because we cannot because we have any use for it now but we might have used for it later. I feel like that's a pandora's box that you open up and that leads to potentially very bad things down the line So absolutely nice indeed. Good stuff steve Appreciate all that you do keeping us all informed on all of this. Everybody who wants to follow what steve is doing. Even closer can go to g. r. c. Dot com everything. That's steve's up to can be found over there of course spin right Which we didn't talk about today but it's an awesome hard drive recovery maintenance tool you can get your copy. 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In The Hot Seat With Former GE CEO Jeff Immelt

Radio Boston

15:43 min | 3 months ago

In The Hot Seat With Former GE CEO Jeff Immelt

"Today we want to spend some time with jeff immelt. He was the sixteen year. Ceo of the global giant ge. He took the reins of the story to american company on september tenth. Two thousand one and his tenure was in. this is his word controversial. He led general electric through the fallout from nine eleven the enron collapse the two thousand eight recession and eventually moving the company's headquarters to boston in that time he aimed to transform the one hundred plus year old company to be more digital more green more nimble but ge also struggled in that time losing thirty percent of share value in some one hundred fifty billion dollars market capitalization. Immelt who left g in two thousand seventeen is out with a new book about his tenure in the corner office. It's called hotseat. What i learned leading a great american company. Jeff immelt welcome. Wbz newsradio boston bridge with you. So you know this. This question that i wanna start with may seem really basic. But i'm interested in your answer especially having read the book. What exactly is g. G is one hundred twenty five year old basic american conglomerate. It's changed over time as it should as needed to. And the ge the i kind of lead for sixteen years was a really a high tech infrastructure company that delivered solutions to customers around the world. But again i think the fact that it's continued to a doubt has also been part of the strategy. You know amazon. One hundred years from now is going to look different than amazon wicks today as it should. So you've been clear that with this book you want to set the record straight on your tenured at this storied company. What was wrong with the narrative about ge in your sixteen years ceo. Would you want to set straight. Look i i think i wanted to tell a complete story. I think that the truth equals facts plus context. I felt like the context gone missing. The company wasn't perfect. But i did a lot more good things than bad. We generated the hundred seventy billion dollars of earnings. We were number one in all the businesses we were in. We developed good leaders. We had a very strong reputation at the same time. As you mentioned in your intro. The stock price didn't work The succession didn't work as we wanted to. But i think the company was filled with a lot of good people that did their best and i felt like their story. The the work that they did had really been distorted in the last four years. You said how the company's done more good than bad and you've really leaned into both challenging and transparent conversation about the company with this book. I wanna play with that more good than bad and talk a little bit about challenges of where it's been good then bad and i'm thinking about places like a pittsfield massachusetts for example where there was a long storied relationship between the company and the community. The company left. There's a long tail of pollution for example in the river their cleanup that needs to be done and that that changes the sentiment in the relationship with the community. When you're gone and there's a long tail of for example. Pcb's so how do you think about when there's good then bad. What is the relationship. The company needs to have with communities sick. We've always tried to be a good citizen at as you've noticed as you noted in your intro whereas a company that's more than one hundred twenty five years old There are a situations in communities where there needs to be continuous vigilance. And clean up. S pertains to pittsfield and in the hudson river and things like that. I think the company always tried to be responsible. Endured part is working with the epa in state authorities and. I think we did that You know again. The people that worked on in our environmental groups in pittsfield and throughout the hudson river. I think they should hold their head high Because we were responsible and responsive to the state and federal authorities. jeff. I grew up in the midwest where similar to the ge type of story you know there were for example. Lots of communities. That were reliant. On good middle class paying jobs from the auto industry that then left and that has been as as ge to characterize it as a layperson would moved out of american manufacturing also a piece of the picture right communities that were built up a across the middle class. Well paying jobs that then went away and and again. I struck in the book how you talk about shareholder value and understanding your relationship to those obligations and i'm also struck by people everyday people who might read the book and want to understand what that long-term responsibility relationship is like for a company as big as powerful and with as much history as ge has. Had gosh. I don't think you know me that well but my father were to g. e. for almost forty years so i grew up as one of those middle class people. I always knew the value of g. Nobody had to explain it to me. I always cherish that. I worked tirelessly to sell our products around the world. Because that's the only way you can ensure that these jobs will continue to be there and be competitive in the last decade of my tenure. We moved appliances back to Louisville from mexico we invested billions of dollars in aviation technologies. We built wind turbans life. Sciences products in our net increase in manufacturing jobs over the last decade. That i was ceo was quite substantial. So again i. I actually appreciate your question but i think i think to a certain extent. You're talking to the wrong guy in that context because i kind of lived at my whole life and i think if you read the book at yes i talk about shareholder value but i took a lot more about employee connection employer responsibility and and my focus on developing a generation of leaders. Who really understood where they fit in the world. You know you you just said you think i'm talking to the wrong guy for that question. Which made me think of the fact that there's another guy who figures into the book we're not talking to him. You talk about him. he's now past. Which is the ceo former massachusetts native. Jack welsh i was really honest to god. I couldn't decide how you want me to feel about welsh. When the book was over there were times when i thought you were praising him too strong leader and times when i thought you were saying you felt. He had done a real disservice to the company in his focus on shows of growth. How should we think about welches legacy now figure actually into the question. It was a occur. It's a complicated complicated relationship. I think in the in the in the following away. Jack was amazing. Ceo in the era that he served and he did great things for the company and and really was fantastic. High energy high impact leader but the world change. The world changed dramatically after nine eleven. It was more global The digital age was very Substantial the whole notion of financial services change slowly then quickly so the world and the company had to look very different. I think really what i hope. Readers see the book is how much i learned from him how much i respected him. But at the same time following him was sometimes complicated. so i think the way you phrased. The question was actually kind of appropriate because he was amazing. He wasn't perfect. But he i know for a fact. He always did his best a day. As did i. i know you've done a wide range of interviews already on this book i read. Some of them were radio. Boston so boston is in our hearts and in our focus and obviously. Ge came to boston under your leadership. I was struck by the fact you talk about a lot of the big decisions you made as a leader in the book. Everything from the g. power Deals to your desire to move green to turning g into a digital company. I was struck by the fact that the desire to move to boston isn't in the book. Did that not feel to you like a big leadership decision. I mean it. It was big for boston and for massachusetts yano fair question. You know we. We worked the book like a story. Mike co-writer and i it was very chronologically. Based and to a certain extent of the decision moved to boston i was on the early phases of it but certainly didn't get it To see it to its conclusion. So i don't think there's any reason to slighted. It was just in the weight of the story. There were so many other things to talk about. But what i will say is look. That's one that i always felt like. It was the right thing to do. I no longer live there. But i but i have great appreciation respect for boston and i just think it's one of the world's great city some happy that the companies headquartered there. You said you didn't get to sort of see it through to its conclusion. Were still in that conclusion. You know there were millions and tax incentives that were spent a lure g here a big headquarters planned in the c port. Talk of eight hundred jobs. You left little of that ended up happening. I understand you were no longer. Ceo when many of those promises were broken or the incentives were clawed back which also happened. But i do wonder as a former ceo of ge. Do you think the corporation does anything to boston into massachusetts that it hasn't done in an needs to or should do. Oh gosh that's really an impossible question answered just because i. I'm just not current on all the things that are going on with. Ge but i will say that companies including the one that i work. Dad duo communities to be a good citizen to be responsible citizens to live up to to to the things that you say. You're gonna do the only way you stay around for more than a century is because you have a good relationship you know what i call good win win relationship with the towns rent and boston not just today but over. One hundred years has been a part of the ge history. And i think all ceos all business people need to respect that so you teach business school students now. I noticed that in the book. And you know you're focused on lessons in this writing and sort of looking back on your leadership and getting the perspective on it that sometimes only leaving can change We talked a little bit earlier in this discussion about shareholder value which. I don't think it's controversial to say can drive quarterly cycle management decisions. And yet. you're talking about more than hundred year old company. How how do you feel about the overwhelming push towards Cher value and the fact that that can joint sort of drive short term decision making. And how are you teaching future leaders about those lessons. Yeah look at me. Like i think the the course i teach is really about transformational change really in the digital arenas so so that's been the essence of the course but i do get a chance to converse with with students about the things i've learned been and things like that and i guess the best thing i can offer is a ba transparent. No the businesses that you're in and be true to the businesses that you're in a in our case the aviation business. Which is you know factory. In lynn massachusetts. It takes decades of investment tremendous quality control. Tremendous science great workforce. You'd have to have all those things to be successful in that business. It takes you know when you invest in a new engine. It's a billion dollars. Plus it doesn't pay off for twenty years. And so i. I think the important thing is just to be transparent about the business and investors who are looking for that to be different or for looking for an aircraft engine to pay back in six months. They shouldn't they should of the stock of the company. So i think it's a big true to the businesses you're in In being transparent about strategies are and those are things we always tried to do one investment. You wish you'd made that you didn't cash. I can go back in time and say after the after nine eleven It was a little bit. Like covert in the commercial aviation. Business was really incompletely a bad cycle. And i wish i had acquired as much of our supply chain. I have because over the next twenty years it would have just been a great A great investment. And then. I just think the company never became his digital as i wanted to be or is it should be and i wish we had done more things there as well. Why was it important for the company to be more digital than it became again. I just think the transformation around how products are used by airlines and hospitals civilities and wind turbines. It's more about information today than it is about physics of the product And our ability to be a better partner with our customers is really going to be a bowed. New technologies like artificial intelligence and machine learning. And i just think that's you just have to lean in to those technologies you sit today in california and the amount of innovation that's going taking place today is just unparalleled than you know going back to the aviation example. You could wake up tomorrow and see Elon musk announced. An all electric aircraft with ten fifty bill funding and all industry will change and things like that will happen. We're gonna have to end it there. That's jeff immelt former chairman of ge. His new book is hot seat. What i learned leading a great american company. Thanks for joining us. Thanks very much great to be with you.

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Psychology of Conspiracy Theories Pt. 1

Conspiracy Theories

50:04 min | Last week

Psychology of Conspiracy Theories Pt. 1

"Due to the sensitive nature of today's episode listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of child abuse violence in murder. That may be upsetting for some listeners. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen in two thousand thirteen more than twelve million americans reportedly believed bloodsucking shape shifting reptilian humanoids from another planet. Pull the strings of some of the world's largest institutions suspected members included england's queen elizabeth the second president barack obama and justin bieber most believe they wanted to create a new world order as part of their scheme for global domination of course given their veil of secrecy and ability to hide in plain sites. Nobody knew for sure. The earliest iterations of this theory took root near the end of the eighteenth century in the wake of the industrial revolution. An influx of immigrants had arrived on american shores shaped by anti-semitism informed by esa tarik writings. The conspiracy evolved over time. It drew inspiration from science fiction and pop culture. Like bram stoker's novel dracula and the seventies comic book series conan the barbarian. Eventually it was synthesized and popularized by zealot. In controversial conspiracy theorist david ike in the late nineteen nineties belief finish shadowy cabal of extra terrestrial lizards persist to this day in two thousand thirteen. Twelve million americans represented roughly four percent of the country's population and the number has likely grown since historically fringe theorists have mostly been relegated to the social fringe finding pockets of communities online. If their ideas ever appeared in mainstream media. chances are they were dismissed and mocked. they were twelve million data. points rarely given faces or names. Has such public interest fixated on what they believed instead of why they believed it until recently when they started stepping into the spotlight armed with chemical weapons guns and bombs. Then everything changed. Welcome to conspiracy theories a spotify original from podcast. Every monday and wednesday we dig into the complicated stories behind the world's most controversial events in search for the truth. I'm corduroy and i'm only brandenburg and neither of us are conspiracy theorists but we are open minded skeptical and curious. Don't get us wrong. Sometimes the official version is the truth. But sometimes it's not you can find episodes of conspiracy theories and all others spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify or wherever. You listen to podcasts. This episode we're operating a little differently instead of rating conspiracy theories. We'll be discussing the psychology behind. Why they can be so enticing. Along the way we'll examine some of history's most demonstrably false. Like dogs. the practice witchcraft false. Next time we'll flip the script and discuss some of history's most famous conspiracy theories that turned out to be true and will examine the psychology behind institutionalized gas lighting and some of the world's most diabolical and deadly cover-ups. We have all that and more coming up. Stay with us. This episode is brought to you by progressive. Are you thinking more about how to tighten up your budget. These days drivers who save by switching to progressive. Save over seven hundred dollars on average and customers can qualify for an average of six discounts. When they sign up a little off your rate each month goes a long way. Get a quote today. At progressive dot com progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates national annual average insurance savings by new customer surveyed in two thousand twenty potential savings will vary discounts vary and are not available in all states and situations. This episode is brought to you by progressive. Are you thinking more about how to tighten up your budget. These days drivers who save by switching to progressive. Save over seven hundred dollars on average and customers can qualify for an average of six discounts. When they sign up a little off your rate each month goes a long way. Get a quote today. At progressive dot com progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates national annual average insurance savings by new customers surveyed in two thousand twenty. Potential savings will vary discounts vary and are not available in all states and situations. This episode is brought to you by the volvo. Xc ninety recharge plug in hybrid. The volvo s ninety recharge plug in hybrid is designed for the ultimate safety task climate change because when driving in pure mode. You're driving electric for everyone. Safety visit volvo cars dot com slash u. s. a. On christmas day. Twenty twenty anthony. Quinn warner a man who reportedly believed in the existential threat posed by an evil race of reptilian overlords. Drove an rv into downtown nashville tennessee and detonated a bomb. The blast caused millions of dollars worth of damage to neighboring buildings injured. Eight people in ended warner's life as a result. We may never learn warner's motives. Or how conspiracies fueled his perception of reality. Now you've probably heard the phrase perception is reality before maybe you've considered what it means. Maybe not if you haven't sit with it for a few seconds. Perception is reality. Your perception is your reality. so is it true. There's an undeniable difference between an opinion and a fact for example. I hate la. Traffic is an opinion. While with fewer cars on the road carbon emissions would go. Down is a fact simple right now. What about more people should care about our planet though. It may sound like a fact. It's objectively an opinion even when framed as a solution but if taken one step further if more people cared about our planet carbon emissions would go down. Now it's developed into a theory. A belief that pursues truth but the difficulty in pursuing truth is it's a moving target to illustrate what we mean. Let's go back in time to the end of the seventeenth century in sixteen eighty nine english philosopher. John locke first proposed his tabula rosza or blank slate theory on human development in the nature versus nurture debate lock planet himself firmly on the side of merger. He suggested that humans are entirely the product of their lived experience. Essentially locked believe that at conception humans began and this crisp sheet of paper over time our sensory observations crumple stain teheran color. That sheet of paper giving birth to our identity and because we never stop having experiences. Our identities are constantly evolving. This concept wasn't entirely new. Both ancient greeks and persians had variations of this idea but locks proposal became incredibly popular and well regarded in the scientific community after testing. Its veracity locks appears gathered evidence in facts that seem to support his conclusion now locked in escape criticism in his day or in the centuries after bought blank slate travelled through time as the most true theory from sixteen eighty nine to the dawn of a new millennium in a two thousand two book. Harvard psychology professor in cognitive scientists steven pinker popularly debunked tabula rasa. He pointed to studies on identical twins that essentially showed identical twins separated at birth and raised in different homes had more similarities than two kids from different parents adopted and raised together in other words. It's not just nurture genetics. Also play a significant role in human development. Pinker didn't rely solely on social observations either new neuroscience technology has found compelling evidence to support his claims so despite containing elements of truth locks tabula rasa theory has been proven fundamentally wrong of course. Wrong doesn't mean unhelpful. Locks theory advance star understanding of human development but knowing its shortcomings we can no longer claim. It's the best working theory now. You might be wondering how this applies to conspiracy theories well recently. They've earned quite the reputation in the past five years alone. The los angeles times decried that america had entered the age of conspiracy theories. The washington post advised its readers on how to protect themselves from succumbing to conspiracy theories as if they're the common cold or even the plague. The atlantic wrote that america had lost its mind and as recently as february two thousand twenty one the new york times asserted that the us was in the midst of a reality crisis. All because of the pervasiveness of conspiracy theories more and more. The term conspiracy. Theories is synonymous with belief systems. That are preposterous. But is that true. Are conspiracy theories inherently falls in short. No but you could say. They've earned their dubious reputation. Unlike scientific theories conspiracy theories can have a lot a little or absolutely no evidence to support them. As a result history and pop culture are filled with outrageous claims commonly referred to as conspiracy theories we cover many of them on the show but there are many more that are not even worth evaluating for example. Here's three things you might encounter every day that some conspiracy theorists claim don't exist one birds. Birds don't exist at least not anymore annoyed by fecal droppings on their cars. Cia agents killed them between the years. Nineteen fifty nine in nineteen seventy one. They replaced all our feathered friends with billions of drone. Replicas used for surveillance and reconnaissance on the more reason to distrust pigeons number two trees. This one's a semantic argument more than anything there is admit that plant exists that we call trees but they claim real trees enormous majestic ones when extinct along time ago. What we call trees today are essentially tall bushes number three. The moon isn't real according to some theories it's a hologram as for how it got there and who's operating. Its that all depends on who you ask. The list of baseless theories is endless and it keeps cascading downwards. Finland is a fictional place. The beatles the most popular band of all time wasn't a quartet but a revolving cast of look alike. Musicians ever levine was replaced by a clown. Jay z is a time travelling vampire. Dinosaurs built the great pyramids. The ninety sitcom saved by the bell was demonic luminosity propaganda for the most part. These rabbit holes are harmless. But the same can't be said for all unfounded conspiracy theories on december fourth two thousand sixteen twenty eight year old edgar. Madison welsh was driving. Six hours from salisbury north carolina to washington. Dc the mission. He planned to rescue children from an alleged sex ring. Run by sadistic pedophilia. Politicians is intended destination. The basement of comet pong a family pizza parlor according to conspiracy theorists on websites like fortune. Eight chan read it took and twitter. That's where kids are being kept in cages. In reality the only children inside comet ping pong customers eating pizza or playing ping pong with their families. Not only did. The restaurant not operate a human trafficking. Sex ring it didn't even have a basement but welts believed what he'd been told what he read with his own eyes on websites that often relayed legitimate news as he drove to washington he recorded a video addressing his two daughters back at home. Saying i can't let you grow up in a world. That's so corrupt by evil. Welsh arrived in washington with an ar. Fifteen a handgun and a knife. He fired three shots in his search for an imaginary sex dungeon including blasting. Open a lock to an employee. Storage closet incredibly. Nobody at the pizza parlor was hurt or killed. Officials arrested welsh and a court sentenced him to four years in prison. But first welsh penned a letter to the judge it read. I came to. Dc with the intent of helping people. I believed were in dire need of assistance. It was never my intention to harm or frightened. Innocent lives but i realize now just how foolish and reckless. My decision was but the pizza gate conspiracy as it's been called didn't end after welches arrest. Online people continue to accuse comet ping pong of monstrous evils. it didn't matter that a member of their ranks had shown up found no evidence in regretted his actions. Some accused welsh of being a false flag actor planted by the corrupt elite. They suggested his actions and arrest were as scripted piece of theater to throw people off the scent and to distract them from the truth that a pedophile sex dungeon really did exist. In washington pizza parlour others concocted a different narrative. The basement was real. Well simply didn't find it before his arrest. And they rallied around him as a hero reading posts. Like it's just sick. How one guy goes to help in the country puts him in prison and in the darkest corners of the internet allies evolved into something new. You've probably heard the name before. Not coming up. 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Why four out of five new auto customers recommend progressive progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates national annual average insurance savings by new customer surveyed in two thousand twenty potential. Savings will vary discounts vary are not available in all states and situations now back to the story. The new york times has defined cunanan as quote the umbrella term for a set of internet conspiracy theories that allege falsely that the world is run by a cabal of satan worshipping pedophile the connections between the gate and cunanan itself evidence. Experts believe that following welches arrest the pizza gate allegations were re purposed by other online users with a slightly different twist and on a much larger scale as opposed to one satanic channeled sex ring in washington pizza parlour online believers claimed the conspiracy ran deeper and span the globe supposedly a cabal of mostly left leaning politicians is at the helm celebrities and world. Leaders have been accused as well including tom. Hanks hooper winfrey ellen. Degeneres pope francis in the dalai lama. As far as experts can tell cunanan as a unique entity can be traced back to an account on the image based bulletin board website for chan. The account first appeared in october. Two thousand seventeen and it was called q clearance patriot. Their username refers to q. Level clearance a real classification at the united states department of energy. This distinction grants a limited number of federal employees access to highly classified nuclear material. The person or persons behind the online account are referred to as q q. Presents their so called top secret intel at random. Their messages usually sound like prophecies are often masked by allegory. In code followers believe cryptic messages are necessary to keep cues identity a secret thereby keeping them safe of course it also means q. Has not presented evidence that they've worked for any branch of the federal government. Let alone obtained a high level security clearance and the allegations. they've waged have little or nothing to do. The nuclear material but neither lack of evidence or logic has stopped the cunanan theories from gaining traction the account post often but at random in what have come to be known as q drops as of this recording. There have been around five thousand of these drops meaning five thousand cryptic inflammatory messages. As a result of interpretation information sharing and speculation. Many other baseless conspiracy theories merged with cunanan or were brought into the fold. This includes the alien lizard conspiracy theory that kicked off this episode. Now as a movement queuing on is a little odd not every supporter believes every sub theory. Apart from the existence of a deep state cabal of satan worshipping pedophiles. Few claims have been adopted by all or even most of cunanan supporters except for one it involves the former president of the united states of america according to prior q. drops. Donald trump was recruited by top military personnel to put an end to the sadistic corruption in washington. Now there's no evidence for this whatsoever but cunanan followers found what they believe to be evidence in the former president's words in october two thousand seventeen shortly before the birth of the queue account trump made an ambiguous statement in an unscheduled late night. Press briefing at the white house. The comment came after dinner. For united states military commanders. He said you guys know what this represents. Maybe it's the calm before the storm could be the calm before the storm. Now calm before. The storm is a common idiom. In everyday speech it can be used to describe a wide range of situations with a variety of stakes for example a theatrical tack week or the pre holiday shopping season or the hours before a category five hurricane without apparent context for what trump was referring to reporters asked president what he meant he provided no response so cunanan on supporters interpreted their own meaning. Judgment day is coming and so. The storm was born also referred to as the great awakening cunanan. Supporters believed that one day in the near future trump will lead a sweeping wave of criminal. Arrests he'll throw the world's corrupt leaders in prison in herald in a new age free from their satanic criminal enterprises but perhaps the most shocking of all cunanan theories is the belief that the alleged shadowy elite. Don't just run a child sex ring. They drink baby blood in eat. Their victims to ingest a chemical compound known as drina chrome a compound. They claim has powers akin to the fountain of youth. The inspiration for this particular narrative seems to come from writer hunter s. thompson fictionalized book fear and loathing in las vegas in the novel. Adrina chrome is like a powerful drug similar to d. m. t. it's taken in liquid form using dropper and it's hard to harvest thompson rates. There's only one source for this stuff the adrenaline glands from a living human body. It's no good if you get it out of a corpse now. Adrina chrome is a real substance. It's produced by the human body in tandem with adrenaline. But there's absolutely zero evidence to suggest it has miraculous properties other than helping to stop. Let clots its claims like these that make seem laughable. Unfortunately it's lies. Have numerous real world consequences on june fifteenth. Two thousand eighteen. A former marine and cunanan supporter. Matthew right drove and vehicle to bridge in arizona near the hoover dam. He apparently wanted to grab the nation's attention by creating a traffic blockade frustrated by the lack of progress toward cunanan's great awakening. He decided to take matters into his own hands. This included bringing to military style assault rifles two handguns nine hundred rounds of ammunition and a flashbang device with him. Luckily no shots were fired and nobody was harmed. officials arrested right before the situation could escalate. On december nineteenth. Two thousand eighteen. Police arrested a california man who is in possession of materials to make a bomb. According to fbi documents he planned to quote blow up a satanic temple monument to make americans aware of pizza gate in the new world order who were dismantling society on august twelfth to twenty a thirty year old texas woman with a blood alcohol level more than twice. The legal limit intentionally rammed her car into another vehicle. She told police that she believed the driver was a pedophile and that she was helping rescue a young girl in his possession on january. Sixth two thousand twenty one rioter storm the united states capitol in a violent insurrection. Many members of the mob identified as cunanan supporters some carried q. signs a few war t shirts. One was a self proclaimed cunanan shaman. As a result of the attack five people lost their lives including capital police officer. Brian sick nick. Hundreds more were injured many critically with this surge in violence. Researchers around the country are seriously studying the cunanan movement in a december two thousand and twenty. Npr ipsos poll. Americans were asked whether the following statement was true. A group of satan worshipping elites who run a child sex ring are trying to control our politics and media seventeen percent of participants marked yes. It was true unsurprisingly. The same poll found that eighty. Three percent of americans are concerned about the spread of false or misleading information and its potential consequences and their fears are warranted. The fbi continues to warn about the growing threat of conspiracy theory driven domestic extremists in light of this fear. Many wonder what makes people believe the unbelievable. The answer is neither singular nor simple so for clarity. We're going to break down the leading research into three driving forces first circumstance historically. We've seen that in uncertain times. Conspiracies thrive against the reason and logic of their day. The salem witch trials of the seventeenth century and the new england venture panic of the nineteenth century turned diseases like ergotisms into turkey into evil sources in bloodsucking monsters. The carnage of both world war. One and two brought about a rise in the popularity of a cultism and genuine belief in magic desperately searching for ways to put an end to the bloodshed or to gain leverage over their enemies. People turn to the possibility of supernatural forces at the beginning of the cold war in the late. Nineteen forties and early fifties. Americans were holding their breath in fear. The united states in the soviet union had their hands on atomic pollsters waiting to see which country would draw. I death lurking around every corner. Earth's future was on certain as a result. Americans turned their attention to the stars. Pop culture experienced an obsession with space civilian ufo sightings surged real or imagined alien invasions provided the world was something to fear other than the existential threat of nuclear warfare and more importantly it gave their fear a less than face. People are more likely to embrace conspiracy theories and the supernatural when their personal security feels threatened. This is in part to reclaim control and to feel a sense of stability and few things are more grounding than having a common enemy to blame during the cold war. The united states government didn't want to encourage ufo mania but some members still wanted to give a face to america's fear so they created an imaginary enemy at home led by wisconsin. Senator joseph mccarthy. They launched a series of propaganda campaigns falsely accusing countless americans of having ties to communism. The propaganda wasn't hard to sell. Real communist regimes were spreading across the world. So belief in deep state communist conspiracies ran rampant and like you and on this red scare mostly targeted politicians and celebrities. Now it doesn't take an expert to isolate the circumstances that are causing americans. Most recent unease two of the biggest recessions in american history of happened in the past two decades. There are young adults who have lived through. Both poverty is on the rise and income inequality has never been higher. The three wealthiest individuals in the united states have roughly the same combined net worth as the poorest of all americans which would include more than one hundred sixty million people and according to the economic policy institute workers at the minimum wage today are paid roughly twenty five percent less than their counterparts. Forty eight years ago in other words. The gap is only widening. There's also been a rise in hate crimes. Political divisions gun related deaths and natural disasters due to climate change. Your citizens are hurting in. The popular view is that the government doesn't want to help trust in institutions has reached an all time low. All of this is before the covid nineteen pandemic which as of this recording continues. We're living through anxiety into six circumstances for the most part. Each of us reacts to stress and anxiety differently but at the same time there are trends in how humans act in certain situations which brings us to the second driving force behind belief in conspiracy theories human nature. Though john law claimed otherwise human nature is partially shaped by our dna and like it or not. We're all capable of believing. Even the most outrageous lies coming up the truth behind cunanan. This episode is brought to you by progressive. What's one thing you'd purchase with a little extra savings weighted blanket smart speaker that new self-care trend you keep hearing about well progressive. Wants to make sure you're getting what you want by helping you save money on car insurance drivers who save by switching to progressive. Save over seven hundred dollars. 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There's never been more interested in understanding what attracts people to them. So let's get to know q. And on supporters by getting to know ourselves as humans better according to psychologists want to feel the special and like we have exclusive access to secrets. So when we're confronted with information from anyone purporting to have access to high level government intel even if we fancy ourselves skeptics. We instinctively want to believe with cunanan. This desire is compounded by another one of our proclivities. We really like puzzles or rather. We like solving puzzles. According to experts we crave the eureka moment associated with unlocking code or putting in that last jigsaw peace whenever we glean insight or perceived incite it triggers. Our pleasure system. It's like slipping down a sugary. Soft drink your body feels a momentary high. In cunanan's case the so-called intelligence disseminated by the cumin account comes in bursts of cryptic codes meant to be cracked for example one post included just a string of numbers and letters before this message. The castle runs red. Yes each word in this. Unintelligible sentence was separated by underscores. Another post just read helicopter crash. Newport beach tell gm what happened at these hotels these breadcrumbs opened the door for two important outcomes. I mainly ample room for interpretation and wild speculation seconds. they invite participation which deepens people's personal stakes in the alleged corruption and fosters a sense of community especially in uncertain times like a pandemic people crave connection in inside any community. It's relatively easy to persuade members into believing almost anything even if it goes against their logic and reason even if it goes against what their eyes and ears tell them you can only hear my voice. But i want you to picture three vertical lines in front of you. Line a line be an line. See lie is clearly. The shortest line is clearly. The tallest in line sees somewhere between the two. The heights are not difficult to distinguish now as part of a study. You and a handful of other participants are asked which line is the tallest one by one. You go down the line and give the obvious answer lying. Be you're correct now. You shown a new group of lines this time line. C is clearly the tallest by what you don't know is all of the other. Participants are plants. The conductors of the experiment asked them to intentionally the wrong answer. This time one by one they go down. The line of participants again line see is obviously the tallest but they all start saying line. A the shortest of all the lines is the tallest in fact every single participant in the room. Answers line until it gets to you. Now what do you answer. This exact experiment happened. As part of the now famous ash conformity studies and according to the results participants conformed to the wrong answer an astounding thirty seven percent of the time. Seventy five percent of all participants informed at least once during the trials in other words despite knowing that see was the tallest line. Three quarters of people change their answer to the wrong one just so they would fit in in this was in a social experiments with relatively low stakes. This type of hardwiring can be traced back to our most innate animalistic instincts. According to philosophy professor adrian barden long ago humans needed to assimilate into tribes to do so. We were basically to adopt the same ideological belief system regardless whether it was grounded in science or superstition in other words are ingrained. Desire to conform to the so called in crowd is part of our survival instincts but nowadays in a civilized society. It might actually hurt us. Primatology chain goodall spent years observing group behavior in our closest animal relative chimpanzees chimpanzees by nature. Follow a pack leader an alpha male as long as the pack remains singular members cooperate. Everything's fine but once the group gets big enough a natural split can happen in two unique packs are created each with their own leader. The next time one pack spots the others leader in the wild they'll create a hunting brigade of their largest males to chase the leader down. Beat them to a pulp and assimilate their females even if there was plenty of space and food for both groups to survive on their own in other words where biologically designed to be fiercely even illogically loyal to our pre existing allegiance tele. Red sox fan that the yankees have a good starting lineup. And they'll probably disagree with you. Regardless of data video footage the opinion of sports commentators or anything really but unlike chimpanzees humans live in a society that asks us to justify our behavior in. Here's where motivated reasoning and confirmation. Bias comes in when presented with facts. That don't align with our worldview or established allegiances will go out of our way to hunt down information that does and these days you can find just about anything on the internet to validate your opinions. Which brings us to the third and final driving force of false narratives the spread of information in the digital age misinformation and disinformation have so many spaces to exist. We know for a fact that websites and landing pages with the most traffic aren't necessarily the most reliable wicket pedia gets more than one point five times. The visitors next closest new source people spend far more time on social media than any other sites and the number of followers. The most popular scientists has pales in comparison to the least popular kardashian with so many digital options. There's more than just new places for information to exist. There are so many ways for it to spread and if false narratives travel far enough. It doesn't matter whether they're eventually debunked thanks to confirmation bias in motivated reasoning. The damage is already done. Additionally in psychology there's this phenomenon known as the anchoring effect essentially people will trust whatever information they hear. I and this is compounded. If the information gets repeated this is like the golden rule of propagandists if allies is repeated often enough people are more likely to believe it. Say someone encounters a fake headline that reads cigarettes have no lasting effect on your health if they read that three or four times before they read. An opposing headline cigarettes can cause cancer. Chances are they're less likely to hesitate before picking up a pack of smokes and this remains true even if they read the entirety of the second article and meticulously supported by data and evidence and bear in mind. Most americans don't go out of their way to do any sort of deep dive. According to the washington post less than half of all americans interact with an in-depth news analysis beyond reading the headline and yet seventy percent were reportedly share an article without ever reading its contents based solely on that headline knowing this it makes sense. That elements of the cunanan. Conspiracies are getting repeated without ever being contextualized as false. They've moved past extremist disinformation platforms. False information is literally stepping into the spotlight using the generalized banner of free speech to spread lies. And it's not just the media. As of this recording elected members of the united states congress can still be counted among the ranks of americans actively spreading false allegations related to the groundless kyun on conspiracy and not only are powerful need spreading lies some were broadcasting messages encouraging their followers to distrust the experts fact-based journalists scientists doctors and the news at large encouraging distrust only fosters feelings of isolation causing more unease innings and so the vicious cycle doubles down the new york times and so many others are right to suggest that americans are in the midst of reality crisis when that needs to be taken seriously earlier. We mentioned a number of in cincy of violence or threats of violence caused by cunanan supporters. We omitted any acts that may have been linked to the attackers mental health. In addition to and on conspiracies including some horrifically brutal murderers but experts say. There's a way to stop. The vicious cycle that creates lies in the key is simple empathy be particular expert were referring to isn't a scientist or a journalist or an academic guitar with jadeja spent two and a half years. Entrenched in the cunanan conspiracies. He equated his experience to being addicted to dopamine bought when asked to describe the people who still believe. He said they are our friends and family. It's not about who was right or who's wrong. I'm here to preach empathy for the normal people. The good people who got brainwashed by this death cult some may take issue with today's use of death cult but regardless his point remains clear and resonant. Nobody is trying to be deceived. Most kyun on supporters are normal or people filled with righteous fury to do good to vanquish evil. Even though their belief is unfounded their reasons for believing couldn't be more rooted in reality. People are hurting and they need more reason to trust each other and their institutions man. That's the truth or rather the truest conclusion we can draw from what we know. We all believe lies in one form or another even if they're superstitious. Maybe you make a wish on your birthday cake. Maybe don't like opening umbrellas indoors. Or you have a pair of lucky sweatpants but cunanan isn't alone on its shelf of dangerously false allegations others include the united states government is using chemical warfare. Turn it citizens. Gay global warming is a hoax. Vaccines cause autism among many others as much as we love dissecting conspiracy theories. We think it's important to take a stand against fact. Lowest theories and allowing fake theories about corruption only hurts those fighting real corruption as we stated at the top of this episode. Not all conspiracies are false. Some are all too true. Powerful entities have desperately tried to cover up some outrageously ugly misdeeds and that comes with a psychology. All its own. That's precisely what will cover next time on conspiracy theories we've spent this whole episode talking about facts so we'd love to add. It's okay to have questions about covid. Nineteen vaccines should. I get it. Should i wait. Is it safe. Find trusted answers. Visit get vaccine answers dot org so that you can make an informed decision when covid nineteen vaccines are available to you. Thanks for tuning into conspiracy. Theories will be back next time with part to you can find all episodes of conspiracy theories and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify. Until then remember. The truth isn't always the best story and the official story isn't always the truth. Conspiracy theories is a spotify original from podcast. Executive producers include max and ron cutler sound design by anthony vowel sick with production assistance by ron shapiro trent williamson carly madden and freddie beckley. This episode of conspiracy theories was written by connor samson with writing assistance by mackenzie more and alley. Wicker that checking by on your back in research by chelsea would conspiracy theory stars molly. Brandenburg and carter roy. Hey there carter again as we close out. Here's a reminder to check out my new podcast limited series devious dads for ten weeks. Were exposing the men who were far more flawed than fatherly. Ruining anyone who stood in their way even their own families follow devious. Dad's free only on spotify.

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Making the Most of the Time We Are In with Ryan James Miller

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Making the Most of the Time We Are In with Ryan James Miller

"Welcome to authentic conversations with Brian James Miller joined Ryan as speaks with talk business leaders and influencers. Mastered the art of authenticity to achieve all that they dreamed. As he hear from these leaders seek not only to be inspired by their authenticity but described war master your own. What up everybody welcome to episode ninety, nine of the podcast. Formerly known as excellence mindset now known as authentic conversations it is crazy. It's crazy to think that have done ninety nine of these things. As a matter of fact, I've actually done a few more than that but it wasn't counting them the same early on and so effectively this is episode ninety nine releasing on Thursday September the tenth super excited for that. That's what you're here right now and then just so you know actually going to be recording episode number one, hundred, one, hundred next Wednesday next Wednesday. September sixteenth I'll be recording that with my good friend and business partner John Welches of Red Mallard. He was guest number one so rightfully so he's coming back to be guest number one, hundred mm also GonNa have my amazing and beautiful wife Michelle come on that episode because she's been part of many of them actually she's been a part of all of them in some way shape or form but for a while there we went. Sunday. Download she was coming on for those I think we're GONNA be resurrecting those at some point. so she'll be on and my creative director, Ian Cabrera. So he and I'll I'll share a little bit of this in a few minutes but he's been really directing on my video editing and producing for my blog promotional clips, all different kinds of things like that. So not only will he be shooting the video for that? For the podcast episode also for the law that will come out the following week. I think her two weeks later. But he's also going to participate a little bit. We're GONNA have some celebrate cocktails because I mean that's he got a celebrate right? Just pretty big milestone So anyway, so I'm pumped but as pumped as I am for one hundred, I'm just excited to be back for ninety nine. It's been a while since I've done a solo episode there's just a couple of things I want to. Talk about today. So this'll be a little bit shorter than you've been hearing from me for a while but it's just me. You don't need to hear from me for that long If you want to listen to longer episodes, go back and listen everything before everything after there's been a lot of great guests have had so many phenomenal people come in and contribute to this podcast over. Definitely the last two years but in the last few months, just been straight fire. So I'm super pump for a lot of the guests I've had been getting a lot of really really good feedback from those episodes. So super thankful for that. Thankful for you guys listening to this episode for however many of you are subscribing by the way if you are listening right now and you are not subscribed on Youtube, would you go please subscribe to my Youtube Channel? I'm posting videos for all the block or podcast they're posting my Blog there a lot of daily videos there and so I WANNA continue to contribute as much good valuable content there as possible. So go go subscribe on Youtube that'd be dope Yes. I said Dope and and then subscribe on your favorite audio platform weather that spotify apple podcasts Google stitcher tune in whatever else is out there whatever you listen on subscribing would be awesome five star review rate it be honest but yeah that that would be awesome that you could do that would really really appreciate it. Okay I. Think That's enough about that. So what I want to talk about today I feel like, i. can just talk to myself and I could ask myself questions Now I'm not GonNa do that but I I really am kind of just shooting from the hip here I don't have an agenda per se but there's a couple of things that I do want to. Kind of bring you up to speed on as it relates to me my thoughts on some things, and then actually a takeaway that I had from my any Graham tasks which I've talked about a little bit over the last couple of months But I took that assessment. I had a good friend of Mine Nick Bogardus. WHO's a fellow pastor down here in Southern California? He's also coach through any Graham and just relational leader leadership in general and so he walked me through the whole process took about an hour. It was awesome and so I'm GonNa talk a little bit about that. As, well, and really because that relates to kind of the state that I'm in right now professionally personally and everything else. But what I want to start off with is I was just listening to some clips of my first podcast episode of Twenty Twenty. I was reflecting on two thousand, nineteen. I was talking about how excited I was for twenty twenty because as fulfilled as successful as twenty nineteen was I had a more workbook in the first quarter of twenty twenty than I had generated in all of two, thousand, nineteen and two, thousand and nineteen was the best year ever had and business. I mean talk about things to celebrate right? And then covert hits and a lot of that came crashing down 'cause a lot of struggles you've heard me talk about that and so it's just kind of ironic. You know when you were when I just go back nine months it some sense. It's felt like forever since the beginning of the year but also it was just like just they're like he can almost touch January first twenty twenty. And A couple of the things that I think about outside of the monetary side of things is a what was I focused on. Moving into twenty twenty and so I always think of you know kind of like, what do I want my year to exemplify and twenty nineteen was the year fulfilment that was phenomenal. I was definitely fulfilled in so many different ways personally and professionally in two thousand nineteen, twenty, twenty, I wanted it to be the year of joy like that was what I wanted to focus on was joy joy in all things and obviously that got really hard right like it was going to be really hard to focus on joy but wonderfully enough I had set my mind to it ahead of time. So I was. Preparing beyond that, and these are things that I have adopted to some degree over the last couple of years but I continue to refine them and so words that I wanted to to really be focused on and live by were authenticity, generosity and gratitude again, being authentic at a time like this absolutely You know I I can continue to be authentic. It's hard because you got to be honest like I cried when I took a huge financial head at the beginning of March no joke I literally cried So I you know so being honest about that being authentic about that thought. was going to be a little bit of a challenge, but I was game for it. So authenticity like I was going to keep doing it generosity again, like it could present a challenge because when things get hard, it's harder to be generous. We feel like we have less and so we kinda start to get the scarce mindset, but I was going to lean into it. I was going to. Be Generous regardless, and so I just continued to be as generous as I could with my time even through all of the challenges that we face and finally gratitude I wanted to be thankful I wanted to be thankful and I want to be thankful to God for all of the things that he has done to continue to lead and direct my life and just he's provided for so many different. Things for myself my family, not just monetarily, not even practically, but really just spiritually and my mindset, my heart like everything from him and I'm just so thankful to God for that. But then beyond that continually being thankful for and for my family, my wife, my kids the job that I have the opportunities that I have like there was just so much to be thankful for and. So again, you know like it's hard to focus on some of those things went difficulties, present themselves. But if we set our minds to them ahead of time if we are preparing then when the difficulties com, it's GonNa be I want to easier a necessarily, but it just it provides really good guardrails and guiding light for us to to drive through whatever it is. is in front of us. So. You know those are some of the things that I set out to do and twenty twenty. Again you know that that got kinda challenging at times Absolutely. but what I, what I really wanted to talk about at least you know to kind of hopefully help you with to some degree because everybody's in a different place right now. But clearly, we're all just challenge. It's it's been hard for us and It likewise has been for me. Again, March was really difficult financially which obviously rolled over into quite a few more months other than just that month but that was where the big hit started, but it wasn't just that when I started to experience a lot of. Or. When I started to witness of the Division that was happening over the covert outbreak and seeing how hurt people were and then how much people were hurting each other like that was hard right. Like these are big thoughts big implications for a lot of different reasons, but it just seemed to get so nasty. then. We threw in I don't say that lightly but then all of this racial tension that was really exploded by the George. Floyd incident came onto the scene and so many of the ensuing protests and riots and just violence and killings and opinions around all of that like people continued to just war with other over that stuff and again, these are really really big issues and these are really really hard things but I started to feel more and more of the burden of that and it's because like I really do I care about people I really want to see people come together I really want to see people love one another I really want to see. People Support One another I want to see people standing care for each other even when they differ over things and I was seeing less and less of that. As a matter of fact, I was seeing the opposite. I was seeing people in the name of trying to lift certain people up. They were destroying other people in the name of trying to protect the health and wellbeing of some people they were destroying the health and being of other people and whatever side you're on it was doing it and whatever side you're opposed to. They were doing it too and so it was just it was so so much and it was really really difficult to deal with it really was just so difficult. To deal with. So That just continued to bear its weight on me and So I decided to amongst a couple of other changes that I was making I decided to narrow down my workday a little bit I felt like that was going to free up some space for some other things that was important to me to put more focus into and spend even more time with my family really invested into my wife and my kids the best way I could to make sure that the narrative in our home and around the people that we were Existing with went in whatever capacity we could at the time that we were having balanced conversations that we were. We were contributing positively and all the while trying to do what we could to stand strong in our convictions. But really to make sure that the convictions that we were strong in or we stood firm on really really mattered and there are very few of those things that I'm willing to die on the hell for and so you know again, just you know I wanted to spend a lot of time doing that so it was doing that. one of the other things I decided to do, and this has been many years in the making An. But because of this, just overly intense season I decided to take a sabbatical from pass store my pastoral role at church a meaning that I was going to step back I was going to take a couple of months off I'm actually in the middle of that right now and as of right now, the intention is to go back in mid November and reassume my. Pastoral role with the other two guys that that are pastors of the church here in Fullerton. but during this time, really my hope was to reset to some of the challenges that I've. been a part of experienced whatever, and then just to take a break to take a breath to really reassess what I wanted out of life. generally, but more specifically, my faith in God, my relationship with God how my call as pastor affected that as my my call as a member of the church community. So anyway so I'm in the middle of that and I'm taking a break and. It was super interesting because at literally like almost immediately upon taking that break I feel like I'm kind of rambling here but hopefully tracking with me but. Immediately, upon taking that break, I felt this huge sense of relief and it wasn't because I had any crazy responsibility as a matter of fact, one of the other three guys he takes on a lot more than I do but it was just a huge weight that had been lifted just some freedom that was was given to me and I couldn't quite pinpoint it. Until I began to realize that again in the midst of taking on so much burden either intentionally or just by way of the role I was in or the environment that I was in, put myself in. by relieving that burden, I felt a freedom to just experience God in ways that I had not in years. and. Oddly as I think back, a year I read oh. My stillness is the key by Ryan holiday probably heard me talk about it before a right holiday is not a Christian, doesn't have faith in God like I do but a lot of stoicism and particularly Modern Day stoicism has Thoughts and beliefs as to how we do life and live, and think, and and so. anyway. So I read that book and I was really interested in this idea of silence and solitude in ways that I hadn't thought of before. So silence and solitude to me was really like going closet hide and come out when when you're like when you've had your reset and I just don't do good alone I really struggle with that as a matter of fact, like being around people but me being around people was causing a lot of the burden was causing a lot of stress was causing a lot of hurt and heartache anyway. So as reading through Ryan's book and there was just a lot of things. In there was like man, that's just so hopeful to adopt some of those things so I was trying, but I was bumping along at best anyway. So then fast all the way back to our take this break the sabbatical from Church and the first Sunday I'm listening to a sermon by Matt Chanter he's a pastor of the village church in Texas. He's one of the best pastors I believe that exists in our day he's very well balanced. He's extremely intelligent huge heart for Jesus he's gone through some crazy crazy things in his own life including terminal cancer diagnosis that he was able to beat So there was just a lot. And that he experienced anyway. So I have a lot of respect for him and so first Sunday he's preaching and. I was listening I think my wife and I were listening and it was just so powerful in. So many ways. One of the other things he talks about was talked about in there was this APP that he was using called the one minute pause and it was just a way to get a couple of reminders everyday to pause, and then it's guided meditation through some scripture and then a couple of other things and some nice music in the background. So I started doing that and all of a sudden I started feeling more of this burden lift more freedom. And even one of the one of the guided kind of statements in there as what do I need to let go of? And like so tha- that statement just caused me to like start start thinking about all these things and bouncing back and forth between like past and present day and somewhere in the middle. Anyway. So that happens and then I had this conversation with nick about my any Graham which if anybody's curious just right out of the gate, I am a three I guess if you know me and. You know the any Graham at all you would know that that is just it totally makes sense three So like kind of just in order and again I don't. I. Don't know tons about this next the guy to talk to. But is an effective person and then right behind that powerful person and a good person is eight and a one and those things come in really close and there's there's a lot of other stuff there anyway. But everything he was talking about just made so much sense and and yet one of the things that he talked about towards the end was. Because of my assessment and my personality type and Nick, and I, have known each other now for eight years he's mentored me a lot has been there just as a great friend and some really really dark times and so interestingly one of the things that he said to me was. You, know during the Sabbatical and really just in general because of who you are and what the any Graham says about you you would do really well spending some time in silence and solitude and I'm like, oh my gosh, like how many more people are going to tell me this and I want to want to read this because this is so telling of who I am and so in the fear in longing section of the grams assessment, it says this about my my dominant style of being three. So it says, you know each the nine core styles has the dominant inner longing that lies beneath many of its motivations. So the core longing of the three is validation as a three you likely want to hear well done but beneath that voice you long to hear you are enough just as you are where it's afirmation or probably critical for your piece and wholeness. because. Say Our inner long exposes our core fear were afraid to lose what we most hope for. The core fear of the three is worthlessness. And I'll get I'll talk about this in a minute. It says the three is relational oriented incompetent, and at the heart, the three wants to be viewed as praiseworthy invaluable, most threes of a sub-conscious but pervasive fear of being considered a failure. And then it concludes by saying as three you can face this fear by spending time in silence and solitude where you can remember that your identity doesn't depend on others view of you. And Man. Again, of course, like going back to the beginning if you know me well or the beginning of what I just read I. I do love to hear well done and I love to hear well, done I used to love to hear well done because I was very prideful very cocky in there. Still some of that pent up in me absolutely. But now I wanna hear well done because I really believe that my call as a husband as a father as a friend of the people that God puts in my life as a coach as a business leader like I believe that these things are God's call on me and so my ability or my work my words my. Are reflected. Of God and so I want to do well, I want to do well because it reflects him well, and then obviously beneath that like I, do I i WanNa hear well done I want to know that I am good enough as a husband that I'm good enough as a father. Those things like I, I strive for those things and I love words of affirmation I try not to put too much stock in them in terms of like how I need them because I don't want to get puffed up with conceit and again, just all of those things that can so easily seep in. but I do I really appreciate hearing those things. but what's so interesting was was as worked down until like this three is relational oriented and. Competent and you know wants to be Praiseworthy Invaluable It's so interesting to me because. Some Times ways in which I'm trying to contribute value in what I was seeing during this Last. The season of life that I was in is that I was trying to. To. Continue to be the moderate voice and that's not been my personality like I very, very strong opinions I've exercise those a lot in the past and yet this time around and for the last couple of years have been working really hard to not do that in instead I was really trying to to do a good job of bridging the gap of bringing people together of helping people to see different perspectives and I guess I'm just kinda reading into this but like when that wasn't working when that was falling apart I, was just taking so much of that burden on myself instead of taking some of my own medicine and realizing I can't control it anyway. And then to go all the way to the end when it said you know. Go. Spend some time in silence and solitude because you're gonNA realize that. Your identity doesn't depend on others views of you at all. And as a matter of fact, beyond the any Graham says like, I. I know at the core that my identity has nothing to do with me at all and everything to do with what God has done in me and for me and so. Getting into silence and solitude getting into quiet taking those breaks. It started giving me this freedom to to experience life more than I ever have to to really see things for for where they are to find a new sense of hope to just find a greater sense of joy going back to the word that you know I I wanted early on. And so it's taken like a lot of damage it. It's taken some destruction to get to this point where here we are in September of twenty twenty in probably the most difficult ear most of us have lived and nine months into this year I'm finally reaping the benefit. Of the destruction. I'm finally personally experiencing life in the way joy in the way that got intended for me to experience joy when I set out this year to make it a joy filled year. and. It's just so crazy that it's taken all of this to get to that place. And so now that I'm in this kind of rhythm, this flow this groove. Now it's giving me clarity. To see myself even even better than I had i. felt like self-awareness is really strong attribute of mine but I'm getting even more clear there. It's giving me clarity to help other people walk through their struggles. Their hurts their challenges, their their greatest Goals and dreams and desires. It's helping me to forge clear paths with people through those things, and it's all been because of this time of of personal assessment and evaluation not just the any on the ground was just another catalyst to that not just knicks words and follow up to the NFL Graham. But but that as a catalyst again, to cause me the spark to cause me to think differently than I. Had throughout this year and then it also, it also required behavior change right? Like it wasn't just about I'm just going to continue to self reflect I needed to give myself space so part of that space has been this sabbatical and it's causing to to ask a lot of questions to really get outside the box and really really consider what I want my life to look like what I want my What I want my words to sound like what I want my actions to look like I'm thinking about all of those things in in ways that I have not ever ever. Because I believe that. The goal in life. Like, everyone's goal in life should ultimately be some form of freedom. And you've probably heard me say that before. The freedom to live the life I want to live. The freedom to do the things that I want to do, and obviously like there's parameters they're like we've got a live in reality, but we want freedom. Anything that we're chasing in life is alternately a means to the end in the end is always. Can always be defined as freedom. and. So I am feeling more free than I ever have and I believe that freedom is ultimately produced. Freedom is ultimately produced. When I I But we to but freedom is produced. My freedom is produced when I focus on being and becoming who I have been called to be. And I haven't been called to be a moderator though I want to be sound voice in this world. I haven't called to be a a fixer of broken nece though I want to contribute to broken nece that's happening in this world I'm not called to change people's lives to be the one that changes people's lives though I want to contribute to changing people's lives. I'm I'm gaining so much more clarity there I don't need to be the one that always takes responsibility or always has to be taking the lead in change in making things happen like I will do that at times but I need to be more measured in what I am doing and how I'm approaching my days, my weeks months my years, and ultimately my life because I don't want to get into the place that I was just a few short or a month or so ago a which was I was just at the end of myself again, and our had a big anxiety attack and a couple of other things and I'm like I just I don't want to go back to that. In so. I guess as as wrapping up a whole lot of a lot But I hope you take away from this or a couple of things. First of all is I hope that you just here just a little bit more my heart kind of just inside inside my head and how I think and what I've been thinking about. But also if you're looking to to make the most of the time in season of life that you're in what are you doing with it? This doesn't mean that you have to come out better than you went in or you have to immeasurably grow you have to make some drastic change. All in. All it means is is. What are you doing right now? I hope you're not just waiting for it to be over. Because even if you're just waiting. For Cova to be over. Something else is coming. If you're just waiting for the election to be over. Something else is coming. We're always going to be in seasons of challenge seasons of struggle seasons that burden seasons that stress us. What are you doing now? What does the journey look like for you right now what steps are you taking? To live. The best life that you possibly can. Right now. Do. You need to take assessment take one. If you want access to the any Graham I'd be happy to help you out. If you need to go sit down and talk to somebody go do that. If you need to make some drastic change do that if you don't need to make any changes at all and you just need to be happy with the life that you have do that. There's a wonderful woman that I've gotten connected to on social media. Her name is Tara Nickel and she is daily a posting on Them amongst a bunch of other things she's posting She's grateful for and it spent three things and I have loved loved loved to see tear stuff as a matter of fact, go far instagram it's at benefits mom B. E. N. E. F. IT S. M. O. M.. She's a great woman doing a lot of really really good work right now at home doing some coaching during a few other things anyway but but she'd be great to follow but I appreciate seeing what she's thankful for in sometimes it's I. got a bed and I love that like maybe that's what you need to do you. Just need to be grateful as a matter of fact, if you're listening if you've listened all the way to this point, if you reach out to me right now, the first person that does that after listening to this I will send you a copy of the five minute journal and that's a good guided way for you to be thankful for Your Life Single Day. That's one of the prompts in there. So if you send me a message, I'll send you a copy actually have to send to people, copies if they want. So you can reach out to me you know how to get hold of me. anyway. So What are you doing right now? What are you doing with your life? What is it that you need to be focused on? Being in the moment. Focusing on the future I, don't know what it is for you. But. Don't just let it pass you by. So that's really the biggest thing that I I hope that you take away from all this beyond that in my last two minutes or so here, I, do want to plead. With you. I'm literally begging of you. The sound so silly and so simple. But you please Be. Kind to, people. I know it's not easy right now it's actually really difficult. To be kind. To certain people especially people that maybe you're acting out of anger and frustration hurt hate. Be Kind. How that works itself out in your specific context I don't know. But be kind. It's simple simple acts of kindness to other people. That can go so much farther. Then, we think they can. Be Kind, love other people care for other people be gracious be. Considerate be merciful. Yes speak the truth, but do it in love. In. Love is not being hard and telling people the truth in some nasty way because they need to hear it, it's not gonNA work. No one's going to change. Their position, their opinion because of some nasty gram, you sent them. Be Kind. Be. Nice. Playground Rules Speiss. It really really is and has grown up. We've got far too far away. From just being nice just being kind. Because so much other crap has been lumped into it all. I think that wraps it. I think it's just such a great place to finish be. Kind. Episode Ninety nine is done. You've listened thank you if you've listened all ninety nine episodes. You are amazing. You are actually amazing as a matter of fact, if you taxed seven, one, four, two, zero, two, nine, four, zero to if you text seven, one, four, two, zero, two, nine, four to in you honestly honestly can say you've listened to all ninety nine episodes. I'm GonNa send you something. So text. Number Nine, than ninety, nine, two, seven, one, four, two, zero, two, nine, four, zero two. If you do that I'm GonNa. Send you something. I don't know what it's going to be I mean I know what it's going to be. You don't know what it's going to be and I'm not gonNA NOT GONNA I'M NOT GONNA, show my cards though, but be honest ninety nine yes or no. 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Secrets & Lies: Solving the Murders of Katherine and Sheila Lyon

True Crime Brewery

1:31:32 hr | 11 months ago

Secrets & Lies: Solving the Murders of Katherine and Sheila Lyon

"True Crime Brewery contains disturbing content related to real life crimes. Medical Information is opinion based on facts of a crime and should not be interpreted as medical advice or treatment listener discretion is advised. Welcome to try Burry I'm Gel and on Dick. Law enforcement interrogation is a real skill. But much of it has been questioned in recent years with instances of botched police investigations and false confessions. When police have little forensic evidence as is the case with many cold cases, witness interviews and suspect interrogation can be really crucial in solving a case. But how far should detectives go for confession? The disappearance of Sheila, Kathryn Lyon from a Maryland Mall in March nineteen, seventy, five, win unsolved until detectives in two thousand thirteen came across a six page statement made by eighteen year old Lloyd Welsh back in April of Nineteen, seventy five. At, the time of these disappearances wealth should contacted the police to say that he had witnessed the girls abduction detectives in Nineteen, Seventy Five dismissed his elaborate story as just an attempt to gain attention or maybe played the hero. Thirty eight years later. New investigators thought that Lloyd could be an actual witness or even the man responsible abducting the girls. Join US at the quiet end for secrets and lies solving the murders of Catherine and Sheila Lyon. It took detectives multiple interviews to get a confession from Welsh, pulling new details from him like teeth and calling him out on his recurring lies. Today will review the interviews to get a closer look into the mind Lloyd Welsh, the horrors of his dysfunctional extended family and how the lions sisters fell victim to the sadistic pedophile. So pretty heavy stuff today. Dick, do you have a heavy beer for this or you actually do we're gonNA drink a Maryland beer because they were taken from a mall in Maryland. The Beers Cujo with a K. K., U. J. O., not the Doug Book by Stephen King, which is see you J. O., right? Yeah. But you say the same, it still makes me think of the dog. I'm sure that's the idea. The Beers an American imperial stout brewed by flying dog brewery in Frederick Maryland. So it's eight point, nine percent alcohol by violence. That's up there, but it's not. obscenely up there. So I think we'll be able to drink it without falling asleep I. Hope. So that would make for a really boring show. So. The is a black coloured beer. There's no head to it. Mostly, a coffee aroma, little bit of chocolate. The taste is certainly a coffee taste. There's a little more notice of the chocolate in taste and there wasn't a the aroma. It's a fairly smooth easy drinking beer. All right. I'm looking forward to it. Why don't you open that up I'll open it. All Right Dicky? Let's go. You know where we're going. With to required into the house. All right. I'M GONNA. Let you go ahead and start this. Really just heart wrenching story. But I think there is some things to be learned from it. Okay because you know how much I thoroughly enjoyed talking about kids victims. Yeah I mean there are people who don't like it including you. But if nobody talks about it I, kind of feel like it's being ignored and it's something that needs to be brought out there does happen. It's not like we're just talking about it for any kind of thrill. We're talking about it because we need to know what's going on in our society that's making this happen really drew. Okay, so we'll start John. Lyon, met his future wife. Xavier. University in Cincinnati. They were both students there. His wife Mary was from Erlanger Kentucky John was the Chicago. Boy. They married in Air Langer and had their first child a boy they named. Jay. Then after graduation John got a job at a radio station in Ohio, that's where Sheila was born. then. He worked at a radio station Illinois and Catherine more and they're. Following that John worked in both TV and radio in Peoria. He was on a daytime children's program where he played the guitar and Banjo. And in that same time period, nary was in a folk band. And then she gave birth to their youngest child Joe. Some pretty cool people I. Think they sound very interesting. He does. And she s in a folk band I. think that's really cool and it was the seventies. So they were kind of hit by guests. Yeah, probably. John's hard work eventually paid off. You got hired at W. M. A., l.. which at the time, the seventies was the most popular radio station in Washington, D.. C.. And John, was a pretty talented radio personality. So working at this station's worked as a fill in disc jockey, he read the news and he performed in a band, the multitask. Yeah John and Mary were both Pretty Witty People very well-spoken. So March Twenty, ninth nineteen, seventy, five was unseasonably warm in the suburbs of Washington. DC. Catherine. And Sheila Lyon. Ages ten and twelve were on spring break from school. John had worked the night shift the night before and drove home at six. Am that morning and went to bed. She learned Catherine. went to the Wheaton Mall. They had two dollars between them and they plan to get two slices of pizza. And Mary was happy to see them go together. She led the older one, didn't always want to spend time with their little sister, but recently, the two would become close played together like friends. But John Woke up that afternoon to an empty house. Mary had gone bowling and the boys were off playing with friends in the neighborhood. Mary came home with their younger boy. Joe Soon, after John Woke up, then he went back to bed for nap before dinner and Mary went and Rick. Some leaves in their backyard. When the sun began to go down, Mary really began to worry about her daughters. They were usually really good about being home for dinner and Sheila would call if they were at a neighbor's house playing. But Sheila had called and there had been no sign of the girls. But this is nineteen, seventy five. Your mind is not going to go to objection at this point. Nobody really thought like that. No, not then now. So they went ahead and had dinner with the two boys waiting for the girls to show up assuming they would. and. When there was still no word after they finish dinner Mary began calling around to all of their friends. No one had seen them though. So the family drove around looking for the girls and as time passed and they looked for their daughters in the Dr, the alarms really began to go off in their heads that something was wrong. So that's when they decided to call the police. But most runaways. The lions sisters, and they were nearly always found within twenty four hours. So when these girls were still missing overnight, the police began to realize that this was a case that was different. And the idea of follow play was becoming a real possibility at that point. The John and Mary told the police that this was just totally out of character for their girls both were honor roll students, and they both followed rules Catherine who went by Kate. Was the outgoing. Very Athletic, and she left to make people laugh. She was in the fifth grade at Oakland terrace elementary school. Now her sister Sheila was quiet. Or more quiet than kate was in less bubbly. Should recently begun helping her mother Cook. She says started babysitting and was at the point where she was allowed to wear blue eye shadow. Yeah I. Remember that Look Very Popular in the seventy S. right. My sister's you store it. Yeah. She'll is in the seventh grade Newport junior high. And she was going to be trying out for the cheerleading squad. Yes. They checked in. There was nothing missing from the girls bedrooms, their piggy banks and their closets were full and looked untouched. John was certain that they hadn't run away. But considering the alternatives he really wished that he could believe they had run away. Now nearly all missing children are found within twenty four hours and of the thousands of cases each year. Only one one hundredth of one percent have been abducted by a stranger. So not common not in the list and two girls taken together and disappearing completely is extremely rare. So, at first suspicions pointed to the girls' father. John. And we've we know this the only reason but a statistical because most crimes against children are committed by family members. But investigations and interview show the Lyon family to be happy. Sheila with her clunky glasses and blond pigtails was just adorable. Kate was a Tomboy, her blind hairs cut in a short Bob, and she had a freckled face with an open. Smile. Drawings and notes found in their bedrooms show that they were too young innocent girls who love their family and France. Yes such as seem like they were really sweet kids. And looking through their room, it was just pretty heartbreaking for the police, even because a lot of them had children and you can see the little notes they wrote to each other and the things they had I, mean ten and twelve. They're still little kits. Your Mary, and John were heartbroken and frantic, but they were able to keep very calm public demeanor because they were used to performing and they knew that publicity was important if the girls were going to be found. So they would invite family friends and members of the media into their house and serve beverages. Welcome them. Now Mary was under the influence of physician prescribed tranquilizers and John was containing his emotions as he worked to appear composed. So it was not easy in any shape or form. No. But they were anxious to find their daughters obviously, and they were going to do whatever they needed to do. Absolutely. Yes. But it just my heart breaks for that mother must've been terribly difficult. Yes. Now in the first few days after the girls had disappeared. John. And Mary held to the hope that the girls who turn up. and. It would be revealed as just some big misunderstanding. John. Went on the air. You've been said I'm sure we're GONNA feel stupid about this. They probably told us that they're going to sleepover and we forgot. If anybody knows, please send them home. Right. So the Lions House was in Kensington just north of Washington, and in the nineteen seventies Kensington was a bedroom community mostly for Washington commuters Kensington along with the adjacent suburb of Wheaton were home to mostly prosperous couples looking for a safe place to raise a family. This is not the kind of thing they would expect to happen. Of course. The story of the missing girls was on the front page of the local papers, more than three hundred people called the police with tips and every lot or wooded area was searched along with any vacant houses. Even the storm sewers divers were sent out to search through the muddy ponds and a small lake on the grounds of nearby Kensington. Nursing Home. Also, every resident worker at that nursing home were interviewed. But nothing was found in nobody knew anything. It's like they just vanished totally disappeared without a trace. April first, which is just three days into the disappearance. eighteen-year-old Lloyd Welch went to Wheaton. Plaza. Though his stepmother, one of not to get involved light felt that he had some information that he needed to impart to the police. Right and we don't really know what the motive was at that point. No, we don't. Lead with his a seventh grade dropout. Scrawny acne scarred. He had long dark hair parted down the middle and he were a headband. Is Family. Had A history of incest lies and a lot of petty crimes. Right so it wasn't an easy life not at all. The, Wheaton Mall was a plaza with stores on two sides of partly sheltered sidewalks. There were small specialty shops, a Montgomery Ward, department store on one end, a movie theater, and some fast food eateries. So it was spring break and over spring break, the plaza was popular in crowded with mostly school-age children just trying to keep themselves entertained. Right. Just like she lane. Kate had done. Lloyd walked into the plaza on April first and he looked for a security guard. His plan was to talk to the guard and go home. But offering information on the lion sisters was really a big deal. The guard immediately called the police and two detective showed up within minutes. Loyd was taken to the police station where he gave a recorded statement. And the statement was not very truthful. There confusing, no lied and said, he was twenty two years old. And he said, he had gone to the Plaza on March twenty ninth with his wife Helen. So why did he figure he needed to do that? To go back. No, why did he do? I, say is twenty, two and married. I have no idea. I don't get there. He was with. Jalan. Not. Sure. If they were actually legally married, I? Don't think they were actually. I. Don't know why he lied about his age. And Lloyd said, he had seen two little girls who fit the description of the lions sisters and they had been talking to an older man. Who held a tape recorder and none of this was news to the detectives. They're had photos of the gross posted everywhere and a tape recorder man. had been reported as the prime suspect so far. Lloyd's not telling anything that's different. Boy New, right? Nothing that only the perpetrator could share. Roy Lloyd described the tape recorder man is just over six feet tall wearing a brown suit. With salt and pepper colored hair. He said he was carrying a brown briefcase that held the tape recorder and Lloyd said that he had overheard the man telling the girls that he recorded people's voices and put them on the radio. This story was well known to everyone in the community also. Lloyd said he saw the girls, leave them all with this man, and then he said he saw them again outside as the man drove away with them. Lloyd, said, he had watched the girl's talking with the man for five or ten minutes, which seems like a long time. But he said he was sitting and resting as he watched them, his feet were tired because he'd been walking around the mall applying for jobs. You're the is a bit of a suspicious tale. Isn't it? I mean? If. He noticed these kids. Why would he used to sit and watch for that length of time? Well, there were other groups of girls that said a WHO looked like. Lloyd was staring at them. Yeah. Because he was hunting. Yeah. Right. Now, Loyd had a lot of details in his story and maybe they are too many details for him to be sticking to the truth. He said that once he got outside, he had seen the man get into a Red Camaro? With light seats. The girls got into the backseat light city noticed. There's a dent in the right rear end of the car, and there's the best detail light. He then went on to give more details about the car. had. A high suspension chrome wheel covers and black pinstripes on both sides. He further added that the car had white. Marilyn. Plates and that the man had walked with with a slight limp. For Yeah of detail. Yeah. And I think sometimes, people think the more detail they give the more believable it is, but not necessarily, but Lloyd did agree to take a polygraph which he failed. He then admitted that he made everything up about the car and about seeing the man in the girls outside. So the detectives ended up just dismissing Loyd is someone who wanted to get attention and didn't really know anything that was going to help or sure sounds that were heard are be pissed. If I'M A detective I've listened to this guy, go on about what's happened or what he witnessed. And then you find out that I've. Made. All stuff up. Yes, Dick. But I think where they went wrong was they should have looked at him as a suspect. Well. Yeah. Yeah. because. He resembled the suspect resembled a composite sketch. That's true. So. There were a lot of things that really got miss. Yeah. They should have looked into that, but the whole story about the car and everything now. Yeah. Well, yeah, he was clearly lying, but why? What was the motive you have to think about that? And sometimes, it's you know ominous motive than just trying to get attention were. Yes. I would agree with that. But. They should have paid more attention to the sketch that or his resemblance share, but you've just been how many hours interviewing this guy and you find out, it's all made up stuff that has to be annoying. Yeah. You're just getting played. They're wasting your time and these girls are missing. So. Before he left the police station Loyd was lectured by the police about giving false reports. You know he was totally seen as a waste of time. Also, he was obviously high. And they thought maybe he was just interested in the reward offered by the radio station where John worked WMA al.. So. Yeah. They were super annoyed with him. He seemed really stupid to them though not suspicious. It didn't make sense at the time for someone to draw attention to himself if he had been involved in the kidnapping. But we know that perpetrators do sometimes do these things certainly do. So, it was a six page transcript from his interview and it was just filed away with all the other tips, hundreds of them. And police didn't give other thought for the next thirty, eight years actually took twenty thirteen, the problem you've mentioned this that the police completely missed. Lloyd's resemblance to sketch that had been produced from a description de another witness. Gave a man seen at the plaza, and this is the same day that she'll and Katie disappeared. So this girl is A. was named Net Shea. A year older than Sheila. She had been followed that day by a man who was staring at her and her girlfriends. She described him as eighteen nineteen years, old five eleven to six feet, tall long dark hair and a mustache. Now, the sketch that generated looked remarkably like Lloyd. Welsh. When he was staring at the girls, one of the girls had actually called him out and said, why don't you take a picture that it lasts longer true. Remember that was a popular thing to say for tweens back then. Yes. Yes. So yes, in how come they were just so intent on blowing him off as. Give me a false testimony while story that they didn't think about looking at his sketch. Yeah. I don't know I. Don't know how that got missed. I mean there was a lot going on. But. It does seem like a pretty big mistake. Are just from from what? Research we've done, it's seems to me that the police are more. In the pissed off stage that this gadgets wasted some of their time when they should be out looking for the the girls. And they. They just ignored the resemblance to the sketch? Yes. I. Agree. So over the years, generations of detectives look through the case files in two, thousand thirteen detective Chris Hamrick found the file and Lloyd Welsh. Now. Welsh statement in Nineteen, seventy five had been dismissed as ally. But hamrick wondered if he had really witnessed something significant. The end of the statement Welsh had said. That the kidnapper walked with a limp, the man detectives considered their top suspect at that time. Walked with a limp. So like track Welsh down and interview again, and he was found in Delaware. In prison. And thirty three year sentence for molesting a ten year old girl. Right. Strange situation. So they were excited about the limp comment and then they find out, he's in prison for molesting a child. So the definitely seeing some red flags their. Your tennis went of. So, on October Sixteenth Twenty Thirteen Detectives, Home Rock and Davis traveled to Delaware, with the Montgomery deputy state's attorney Pete Feeney to interview Lloyd Welsh and Lloyd's first words to them were quite stunning. He said I know why you're here. You're here about those two missing kids. So they didn't think that he know that right away. It's been years and years her Costa Forty years, but he was just kind of eager to talk to them. Strangely enough. He had a long record of crimes. He'd committed over the years including burglary robbery, assault, drunk driving, and sexual assault, and we know he was in prison for a sexual assault of a ten year old child. So he was being seen as a potential eyewitness to the kidnapping of Kate and Sheila Lyon. But then his history of sexual assault against children made them consider that he could have actually been involved. If. He'd actually seen the Girls With Their kidnapper detectives were hopeful that he could corroborate their evidence against their current prime suspect, and that was another pedophile and a murderer named Ray Maleski. Here's the problem though Lloyd's convicted pedophile himself. So that's a precarious position for any connection to the lion case could mean pretty serious trouble for him. He was not obligated to talk to the police and the police knew that an attorney would advise him to remain silent. However Lloyd seemed pretty eager to talk any continued to be that way. So before they approached Lloyd Welsh, the detectives on the cold case work to identify every possible suspect, then reinvestigate them in order to either rule them out or keep them on the list. The suspects included a handful of sexual predators who couldn't be eliminated. And the one who had stood out was ray Maleski who had died in prison in two thousand, five, Maleski? Was a pedophile and a killer in nineteen, seventy five. He had called the police to tell them that they should offer immunity to the Lions Girl's kidnapper. If he returned them, then two weeks after that call, he called to say that he had seen the publicized suspect a gray haired man with a tape recorder trying to lure children into his car at another mall. So, he was getting himself involved much like Lloyd. He certainly was, and then shockingly two years later, Milewski shot and killed his wife and son. Once, he was in prison for these crimes. He talked a lot about the lions sisters and told some fellow inmates that he knew where their bodies were buried. His old backyard and his basement were excavated, but nothing was ever found. No after Maleski was arrested for the murders of his wife and son. Interviews with witnesses brought out one possible motive for the murders, and that was to keep the wife and son from telling anyone about molested connection to the Lions case on the night of the murders piece of paper on on his bedside table with John Lands phone number on it. So yeah. Melissa's looking like a pretty good suspect. Well. Yes. It's very strange that he had John Lines phone number. Right? Why would he have that in? Why did he make those calls when the girls went missing witnesses told the police about Maleski, picking up young girls and boys for sex and one witness said that he had done this at Wheaton Plaza before. Women said that Malysz key had raped her on two different occasions back when she was a teenager and even some men admitted during questioning that Maleski had threatened them into engaging in sexual acts with him back when they were Boyce. Some Leschi was also exposed as a member of a group of men who would gather at parties to share their young victims. Sonata, Guy a horrible person despicable. Detective Hamrick search for evidence, but kept hitting dead ends. This is when as zoos reviewing documents, he came across Lloyd Welsh's nineteen, seventy, five statement. When he ready for the first time. His excited to see that Lloyd had said the man who led the girls away at the mall walked with a limp. Yeah. I think that was the first thing that really got him excited. Yeah. 'CAUSE Maleski had once been shot in the leg during a home burglary and he had a limp. Yeah. So I'm rick really wanted to talk to would. Yes. Sure. So, that's when the detectives on the case had found out about Lloyd's criminal history. How he had a history of sex crimes against minors, especially, the he'd worked for a traveling carnival. So. He had arrests in many different cities and when they pulled up his most recent prison photo and compared it to that nineteen, seventy, five sketch of the suspect. The resemblance was really stunning. Now lost his hair and his mustache and goatee were now grey. But otherwise, it was remarkable. How much he looked like that sketch. First Lloyd was a witness. Now, the police are wondering if he had been working with Maleski to lure the girls away from the mall or if he was the sole perpetrator. Yet I don't think that either could be ruled out. Now. I mean they, they figured police figure. The two young girls would be maybe more likely to go with the teenage boy. Then with a middle aged guy, which is certainly true. Well, sure. I think a twelve year old likes. Sheila could almost see an eighteen year old as being appear. To stretch, but they definitely could maybe but very different than a middle aged guy trying to get you to go out and smoke pot with them or whatever. But then both Welsh and Maleski had come forward after the abduction to volunteer that information. And that just seemed like it couldn't be a coincidence. Yen, the FBI, the police, create a time line of Loyd welches travels. And compared it to unsolved missing children's cases around the country. And they're actually were a few suspicious matches. One of these similar to the lion case. Carnival. Had made an annual trip through. Texas. And December, of Nineteen, seventy four. Three teenage girls disappeared from a mall in Fort Worth, Texas. So three girls. So, let's go back to October sixteenth twenty thirteen. Detectives met with Lloyd. In a really bear interview room and he seemed to enjoy talking to them even though he knew that they were looking into the lion case. Detective Dave Davis had been worried for days about how he was going to get Lloyd to talk to him, start a conversation, but really all he had to do was being in the room and listen and Lloyd, which is free associate and complain about his life in the prison and just go on and on. So, Lloyd soon, went into what a difficult life he had led, how circumstances gave him no choice, but to lead a life of crime. He said he learned his lesson now and he'd found God. He said his father was really screwed up and he'd never known as. Mother. So at this time, he's fifty six and he felt like he was ready to help us community and really turn over a new leaf. He said. The crime he was imprisoned for he said was just a misunderstanding, and this is just so gross. I'm not gonna say everything he said, but I'm going to give you the gist of it because it's just gives you an idea of what a Sicko he was. So, what he said was he wasn't a child molester because his victim was just the daughter of his girlfriend. He said he'd gotten drunk and just had a momentary lapse. The girl was going to be a stepdaughter. So he thanked God that he hadn't gone all the way with her. Even though they say I penetrated. Lloyd, said it was because the laws in Delaware are just unreasonable. So he went into more detail casually as if these sex acceded to a ten year, old girl were just trivial like a mistake. And kinda proud of himself that he stopped himself from going further. And Detective Davis had to sit there and nod even though this whole thing was just sickening to him. But, he was really trying to create trust with Lloyd like he was on his side, and after many interviews, he was able to really do that where Loyd looked at him like a frightened. Hey just had to be so hard though and I think that a lot when I see interview footage interrogation footage is how do you talk to someone like that without just wanting to kill them? No. So I'm thinking about is either this guy stays in prison for the rest of his life for he gets executed this nothing else to do for a piece of shit like that. Pretty much saying, it's no big deal here, her she's going to be my stepdaughter. So Gross, it's just so horrible. But. You know good old detective, Davis had to pretty much befriend him. Had to be tough. Yeah. He even offered to order food for them. He said the talking to him was just an informal. He did get an assign a copy of his Miranda rights. And Lloyd signed it saying as long as I don't get charged with nothing. Stupid bastards. Then, he went right on talking, he talked about Helen Krever. This is a woman he had been in a long term relationship back in the seventies, right? Dick, way you smashing your headphones bits. 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And after Loyd was sent to prison in nineteen, eighty, one, they both signed over their parental rights and he never saw Helen or any of his children again, which is a good thing for them. Probably Good I. Hope they ended up with someone decent. So. When they took a break Davis consulted with three other detectives. At. An FBI agent, they were in another room. They decided that Davis should go ahead and show Lloyd, a picture Maleski. Now. He returned to the interview. Ruin. Put the picture on the table. Lloyd recognized him. He said that this is a guy who is a minister and drove an Old Plymouth station wagon. He said that the guy had only given him a ride to house a few times and it didn't know the guy's name. But he did say that the guy gave him the creeps and he tried to avoid. So, this is interesting. These saying that he knows who this guy is yet, but then at the same time kind of distancing himself. So. Davis did tell Lloyd that the men in the photo was the guy who is the focus of their investigation. Then he talked about how Loyd had tried to help in their investigation back in nineteen seventy five when he went to Wheaton Plaza and told the guard about seeing the girls leave with the man. And he s Lloyd what he remembered from that day and why the police not taken him seriously. So again, he's putting himself on Lloyd side here. When asked to repeat what he had seen that day Lloyd went into a story that was actually nothing like the original statement. He said that he was standing on a sidewalk near Helen's house miles away from the Wheaton. Plaza. When he saw a guy, two girls in the back seat of his car, he said it was dark out. He felt like something was off with that. But when Davis questioned him Lloyd came up with more specific memories. The man was dressed all in black and wore a black hat. He said that once the girls were in the car he sped off and when asked about, Wheaton, Plaza Lloyd said that he'd never even been there and that he had not gone to a police station to make statement either. He said that he had called the police from a payphone, an officer had come to him and asked him a few questions. So totally different way different. So he also added that one of the girls was crying and that was all he could remember. While the detectives new. Who's along time ago? Again, close to forty years in Lloyd might not remember all of what happened. He was also seem to begin a bunch of invented details. Why would he do that? Yeah. Then, he told. Davis Leonard BE TRANSFERRED TO, a? Maryland. Prison. Otherwise, he's GonNa stop talking to them. So what's this? Why? Why are we threatening not talk if he had already told him everything, he remembered right? Exactly. Yeah. Again, another example that the brilliance to this guy. Yes. So Davis actually showed Lloyd his nineteen seventy, five statement. You know, left him alone with it. So he could look at over and said, maybe this will help bring back memories and Lloyd looked surprised by it. He said he didn't remember going to the police station or taking a polygraph. He said he didn't remember the Wheaton Plaza at all. But then he said, we never went to Wheaton Plaza much and just minutes earlier, he'd said he'd never gone to the plaza. Ermanno I could believe anything that comes out of this guy's mouth. Well, that's what makes this whole thing. So interesting is how they tried to get a confession out of him and how much can we really believe? In. Lloyd stuck with his story. About seeing the man in the girls on the street, not at the mall. I also added that over his lifetime had done a lot of drugs and they're a big holes in his memory. Craters. Detective, Davis told Roy that he wasn't a suspect. But if you continue to deny what was true, might become one. And that was when Lloyd's memory improved or at least to improve, he said, he was not involved in it never killed anybody. He did admit to being at the plaza with Helen Looking for jobs. So. Davis gave Lloyd a chance to merge these two different stories. Really. Hoping to get back to his nineteen, seventy, five statement. And after taking another break to talk to his colleagues Davis returned to Lloyd and told them that they believed he was withholding information. They believe that he knew Maleski and that he may have worked with him to kidnap kate and Sheila Lyon. Laid out the theory for Loyd that Maleski Maleski had recruited teenage boys like Lloyd to help him pick up girls. So Floyd could give them information about Maleski, maybe he could avoid charges himself. Yeah. Good idea. So is see what they're doing they're. Yes. The loyd then would repeat a story about seeing Maleski, putting the gross in a car on the street near Helen's house, but then he would acknowledge that the original statement to the police was his. Then, he insisted he had no connection to Maleski. And by this time in two, thousand, thirteen, both Helen and Maleski dead. So we can't. Corroborate. Anything. With, them. Exactly. But Lloyd said to Davis. That he was afraid. The police were trying to pin the lion sister's abduction on him, and that's probably at least in part. True. He said he had been railroaded for what he did with his girlfriend's ten year. Old Daughter. Even though he stopped himself before actually raping her so. Pat. On his back. There I, guess. He was really proud. He'd only used his hands and mouth on the girl he said. So this was just disgusting and really a lot for the detective to in and he had to continue to act like he was on Lloyd side. And I have to give him credit. I couldn't sit there and do that. Now, it's one of took my gun out and shoot him. Yeah. I mean, it's awful I. Don't like to be violent, but I could certainly see why you'd WanNa do that just a worthless horrible person Yup. Now. Lloyd's suggested that he could maybe give the detectives what they wanted. If, he had a blanket immunity. As he starting to try to deal his. He said that Maleski. was at home, but he wasn't willing to say more until he was given immunity from prosecution. And he showed absolutely no shame or embarrassment for being caught in the Lai. and. He didn't even try to give an excuse he just. Went under this new version of the story. Totally unfazed as if this completely different story. was what he'd been saying all along, but piece of work. So after five hours of interrogating Lloyd, the detectives discussed what they had learned so far, and it was a tough situation. If. Lloyd was actually just a witness. Why would he be asking for immunity? Insisting on immunity only made their suspicions of him grow. If. They did give him immunity. It would prevent them from using his statements against him and they had no other living suspects. You're ru difficult situation her. Yeah. But they worked on it and they were clever Davison the other investigators put together an agreement for. Loyd. Davis insisted to Lloyd that he was working on his behalf, persuade the prosecutor that Lloyd was only a witness and after hours of back and forth, a document was presented for Loyd signature and it really had six important points that I just like to take note of. The first one is that Lloyd agrees to talk to them about the lion case, and the second one is that he has stated he's not involved. So number three, the immunity offered to him is on condition that he is truthful, candid and complete number four, his statement will not be used against him in any criminal proceeding. Number Five, the agreement does not grant immunity for any crimes he may have committed against Schiller Kate Lyon. Sued in their? Yes, and number six, no other promises or conditions have been set. As. Far as the lion case is involved, he does not have immunity at all. And if he lies it all that cancels out also. So pretty clever your art pixel and he didn't really seem to notice the contradictions that I because the immunity offered implied that Lloyd was involved, but it also said that if he admitted involvement, the agreement would be void. So Davis told Lloyd that the document was covering him, but it was created for the opposite effect actually. Davis was really pushing the limits in his description of it to. Lloyd. Too. But he felt confident because he believed that Lloyd was directly involved after speaking to him for a few hours. So this had become more important to him than confirming Maleski involvement now. Even. Though he did believe it was still possible that the two men had worked together. So. He signed it, he did good copy. And he began to share some more information. He said, he didn't number. LESCHI's name. But he did recognize the face. and. He said that Maleski was the man he had seen at the mall. I March Ninth Nineteen Seventy Five He had been wearing a suit and carrying a briefcase. And he was talking to two girls. Lloyd went around and applied for more jobs and when he returned to where he had been, the man was still talking to the girls. The man had something in his hand. But light said he wasn't sure if it was a tape recorder exactly what it was. Said, he saw the girls being led away from the mall by the man? He said, he saw him in the parking lot and saw him put the girls in the back of his car. He said that he told Helen something didn't seem right about this. So it bothered him. So he returned the mall and made a statement. He never saw Maleski again because he and Helen then moved away. Most of this new version. Seems like he's GonNa work to make the police feel like Maleski is the perpetrator. And he's just as innocent bystander. Able to give them a story. You are correct sir. So, Davis then went back to Lloyd's story about standing on the sidewalk and seeing two little girls being put into the car. And Lloyd admitted while I made that up. He said then that the scene at the mall, that's the true story. So then Davis turned around and told Lloyd, he's concerned that Lloyd has changed his story to go with his nineteen seventy, five statement. Which is true. He asked Lloyd why he returned to the mall and approach the security guard and Lloyd said he didn't feel right because man didn't seem like he was related to the girls. Or that they've known. But at the same time, he denied seeing the story, the girl's disappearance on the news. So. That doesn't make sense right nine the least now, Minnie's if you didn't know about it is going to talk about exactly and it's difficult to believe. He didn't know about it. The story had been on the radio, the TV, and in every newspaper for days and days. So. He couldn't say for certain that the girls were the lion sisters that he had seen and he also continued to deny any involvement with the abductions. But after talking for several hours, Lloyd began to say things that made the detectives even more suspicious. When asked his opinion about what had happened to the girls? And you see that a lot I think that's a pretty common technique that a detective will say, well, what do you think happened to them? Right, and just get that can reveal a lot you're given answered. That might be useful. Right. So when asked his opinion? Lloyd said that he thought someone had raped them and killed them in probably burned them. which just came out of nowhere. burned. Them was a really odd thing to say without having any knowledge of what happened to the girls. Where'd that come from? In the follow up sessions with Lloyd, he repeatedly lied about his connection with the case. Eventually. He did admit to helping get the girls to leave with them. But he insisted that the kidnapping rapes and murders of the two girls were planned in done by other people in his own family. He named a cousin, his cousin, Teddy. He named his uncle Dick and his father, Lee Welsh. said that his father had sexually abused him as a child also. So we're GONNA forget about the Maleski now. Is just I don't know for totally GonNa Forget about it, but there's really nowhere to go with it at that point wrote, and Nagoya is confessing that family members were the perpetrators. He just keeps throwing more stuff in there. So. In Two thousand, fourteen detectives started an extensive investigation into the Welsh family. The family had two branches when in Hyattsville, Maryland and another one five hours further away over on a hilltop in faxed in Virginia. The faxed in places called Taylor Mountain. And this is the place of the families Appalachian Roots. Some members had moved away over the years to more sophisticated towns. And even though the Maryland area is much different. The members belong to the same family tree and many of them look out for each other. So, the idea of obstruction of justice by many of these family members was definitely possible. I, think more than possible. I. Think. That's kind of the way they were. They didn't trust authority. The Appalachian ways of the family included suspicions of outsiders, contempt for authority and an acceptance of a certain amount of violence. The sexual practices among these family members is really shocking and totally at odds with what most of us would consider. Acceptable. Incest in the family was pervasive. And the isolation of the families and the lack of fundamental social taboos made sex with family members fairly common. Raising children wasn't taken seriously or with much forethought. Like it would be in the city or in the suburbs. Some adults in Lloyd's immediate family routinely exploited their children and ignored any social barriers to an sexual relations. So, it was common for Welsh children to experiment sexually with their siblings and cousins. If the lion sisters had ended up with this group of people. It's very possible that some of the family knew about the crimes against them and even help to cover them up. That's a strong possibility. Yes. So Lloyd became very serious about pointing the finger at his uncle Dick. He said that his uncle had planned the kidnappings. And had led a gang rape murder and dismemberment of the two girls. And Two Thousand Fourteen Dick welches over seventy years old. And for years, family members had accused him of violent and deviant behavior toward them. Dick denied everything. And he kept his responses to investigators simple and completely consistent. He even acted like you might expect someone who is wrongly accused and wounded by the negative accusations. Yet, but I mean make no mistake he was not a good guy even if he wasn't involved in this road who's keystone another one of those lowlifes an abuser. Yes. In front of a grand jury in two thousand, Fifteen Dick, Welsh testified to his innocence unlike Lloyd. He was very succinct and clear. He denied ever being in Wheaton Plaza. He said he had no knowledge of the crimes. But if he had, he would have liked to help the detectives solve the case he said I'm sure it would have been. Yeah. But Dick's wife Pat would eventually be charged with obstructing justice for organizing efforts in the family to hamper the lion investigation. Lloyd's cousin Teddy. Well, she was only eleven years old when the girls were abducted was not believed to have been at the mall that. Day. Also, he'd had two broken arms at the time of these crimes. So he would have been capable of doing much and he's eleven. To other cousins, Connie Parker, and her brother. Henry, Parker still live near Taylor Mountain. They weren't eager to talk, but they both admitted to being witnesses to the burning of a bloody duffel bag in a bonfire. On. Taylor. Mountain. Shortly after the girls went missing. So they both would testify that the bloody bag was brought to the location by Loyd Welsh. They both had stories of being victims and witnesses too many Inter family sexual assaults as well. By Twenty fifteen detectives had a clearer picture of what Lloyd Welch was really like Nineteen, seventy five. In two, thousand, fifteen, he is a shackled old guy looked pretty Pale and helpless. But. The teenage Loyd was a leaner meaner guy. Who is usually high on Alcoho- drugs or a combination of the two? Back then has long hair and grungy dress is pretty common among young men. But he wasn't experimenting with drugs or free love now, he was a predator. Who is willing to do anything that made her feel good at that moment? Yeah. No conscience at all. By Age Eighteen, he was already criminal living on the fringes of society. The prosperous world people in suburban malls would have filled him with resentment and he did admit to being a very angry young man. He has also perversely attracted to young gross. And his rage could have been taken out on them as well. Sure. While he continued doing these interviews with investigators to put the blame for the crimes and other people, but he inadvertently revealed the truth about himself in the crimes. Many Times. Lloyd's narrative of events didn't make sense very often. But by following the details, detectives could see some recurring details that might be truth. He talked about stocking the girls in the mall, asking them to come with him and smoke some pot. He talked about the younger girl crying in the backseat of the station wagon. He talked about a basement hang out only accessible from the backyard. He talked about the girls being drugged and raped in a room with a pool table, he talked about them being murdered with an axe or hatchet. Andy talked about body parts being in a green Duffel bag and taking it to a bonfire. So. He was telling them that the girls were raped murdered, their bodies were chopped up and burned. That's what it all came down to and those with a consistent details, right? Those were the things that he coming back to even though he would change other things around over and over. So the more, these details came to the surface, regardless of WHO Loyd was trying to play built on at the moment. The more they seem to hold. True. So detective. Davis. Went in search of the place where Loyd had told him, his uncle Dick had killed dismembered Kate Lyon before putting her remains into a Duffel bag in ordering loyd to take it to Taylor Mountain, to burn. The spot was outdoors under a bridge near his uncle's old house in Hyatt's film Maryland, and Lloyd said, this was Dick's comfort area where he felt comfortable and spent time drinking and fishing, Dixon House had been torn down years earlier, but detective Davis knew where the location was. So he went there first. But once there, he could see that Lloyd story just wasn't holding up this look like the last place, you would go with two girls who were the subjects of a massive search. The address was very close. Close, to the city police station and they were officers coming and going in front of that building around the clock. So loyd had told Davis, that there were railroad tracks behind the house. But the tracks were actually in front of the House and across the street. So the layout didn't match what Lloyd told him. Davis went to another house where the Welsh family had lived, and he climbed a low fence there and walked down to the creek. This place that Lloyd had described was not secluded at all. And the angle of the bridge exposed to all the neighbors houses around there. There were also some car dealerships in parking lots in the area. So it would have been really well lit at night. So this was all very discouraging to detective Davis. But then as he drove nearby down Baltimore Avenue, he saw how he recognized from photos in the case file. And this was the house where Lloyd's father Lee in his wife, Edna had lived a two story white clapboard duplex and this was the address. Loyd? Had given when he made his false statement. So he had described seeing his uncle pull out of the driveway with Sheila in Kate Line, in the car and this location made more sense and it fit Lloyd's description. Once you realized that it wasn't his uncle's house, but his father's house said he had been describing. So is making sense that Lloyd move the location in his statements. Just, as he had been moving himself away from the crimes by pointing to alternate suspects. So detective Davis Nikko. Maybe, there's something here. He pulled over knocked on the door of the house. A friendly woman answered the door she was Hispanic spoke very little English. But he was able to tell her that he wanted to look in the basement. And she told him that he could only get into the basement from the outside part of his story. Exactly. He walked down the porch a long driveway to the backyard and went down steps to adore with a padlock. Yet. In each of Lloyd's versions of the story, there was that basement where the girls had been kept first, Loyd had identified it as his cousin Teddy's friend's house, and then as his uncle, Dick's house. But in both stories, this basement was only accessible by walking around the house to the back. And after spending hours with Lloyd and getting used to the way, his mind worked Davis was convinced that this was the place where he had actually kept the girls Loyd had himself. So Davis, was able to get into the basement and he entered. It was dark with a low ceiling like a dungeon. It was full of old furniture, but it match Lloyd's description so much that Davis was excited and very disturbed to be there like he knew something horrible happened in this place. There were two rooms that were completely separate from the house, and you could really do anything there without being heard or seen. So. It looks like a good possibility I'm. So the following day investigators to the location this time with a complete for six team, they were able to clear out some of the furniture and they sprayed Bluestar blood detection agent over the walls and floors. This agent bonds with even tiny traces of hemoglobin and glows under a blue light. So, they didn't see much in the front room, but when they sprayed the back room. Lit Up like crazy. Floors walls, even the ceiling. So it looked like someone had been slaughtered in the basement. Yeah, and Loyd had intentionally led the detectives to this basement, but they were able to put the details together just by listening to his stories. So, before Loyd had described his uncle Dick's location by the bridge as the location where the murders took place and he had talked about the basement, hang out several times. And this was a place with a door that you could lock from the outside. But this basement was actually the place where teenage Lloyd used to hang out. He smoked pot there and partied. Whatever means by that scary here and I wanNA know now. But this was where the lion girls had been drugged and raped, and at least one of them had been killed and dismembered their detective. Davis. Felt certain that. Dick's wife Pat was fierce about protecting your husband, her daughter. Kim told the police that no matter how horrible her father had been to her her mother always took his side. Wednesday. Could beat her so badly when she was young child that she lost control her bladder and she had missed days school until the bruising subsided. When she was a teenager, her father, Dick called horror, and a sled. When she went to her mother for help, she would yell at Kim about how she will always protect her husband above anyone else great house to be your child in. It's really sad. Yeah. Pets younger sister. said that she had been sexually molested by Dick. When she was nine. She was terrified of him. When detectives went to Taylor Mountain. They did find cemetery with unmarked graves and a large fire pit that had been used to burn trash. Sometimes, the bonfire would burn for days. Though this area was marked as a crime scene and excavation was done. Yeah, pat seemed calm, but she seemed more than she would say. Her daughter, Kim called her to tell her the news and the way that pat spoke about her fears of going to prison suggested that she knew there was evidence that could be found. Detectives Talk to Dick Welsh. Again, and he continued to deny any knowledge of what happened to the lion girls. But. This discovery of the basement really brought new hope to the team of detectives working on this case. Of course, there were still many many questions, but they felt like they were finally at least on the right track getting somewhere. You have to think about how much was invested in this in time and effort and incredible. Almost forty years from the time. The crime occurred. Yes. So it's nice that they don't just let it go. You know. So included in the potential evidence were interviews in grand jury testimony from residents in Bedford County. These people testified that Lloyd Welsh had made an unannounced visit to family members on Taylor Mountain in Nineteen, seventy five. And he has carrying two large bloodstain, duffle bags family members and neighbors told the grand jury. Again, this is forty years after that, they recall the smell of death from a fire that burned several days. I'm Taylor's mountain. Yes. It seems like several people, new things and didn't say anything. And I guess that goes back to not trusting the beliefs and not having much of conscience just not being raised with morals. Rate is good. An explanation is any. Yes. So although blood analysis couldn't extract any DNA, they did determine that the blood in the basement was human. So that was something. In two, thousand, seventeen, Loyd. was charged any pleaded guilty to two counts of felony murder. He still denied that he had raped her killed Sheila in Kate but in the Virginia legal doctrine murder was described as a killing in the commission of Duck Shen with intent to defile. So his plea saved him from the death penalty, but he would spend the rest of his life in prison. By. This time he's over sixty years old and his sentence is forty eight years. But still, it's troublesome that many details of the girls murders are just unknown. We don't know exactly how Loyd could have lured the girls and who else was actually involved. Lloyd would later claim that he had no choice. But to keep talking to the detectives, he said that he asked for a lawyer, but he was ignored. He also said that the prison authorities forced him to keep meeting with the detectives. But in his interrogation records, he does seem like a willing participant. But. He does mention a lawyer a few times. He never directly says, I'm not GonNa talk anymore until I get a lawyer, but he mentioned I, think I should get a lawyer maybe I should get a lawyer and the detective say Oh. Now. You know they changed the subject so I'm not sure That's a good thing. Our detective supposed to do that. Who Know Her while she say. You stop. Questioning. I thought. So but I mean, if you don't specifically ask for a lawyer, but you just say maybe I should get a lawyer. Do I need a lawyer? You condense around that. It's really pushing the boundaries though I, feel like, but I mean, I guess they knew what they were doing, right? And there were other interrogation techniques used to get Lloyd to talk. For example, the detectives lied about having some evidence they didn't have, and that happens a lot. The immunity documents signed by the prosecutor and Lloyd was really misrepresented by Detective Davis when he talked about it to Lloyd. But the police are allowed to light a suspects and Lloyd did sign it willingly. In Lloyd, always had the choice to say I'm not GonNa Talk. I'm. Not GonNA, sign anything. Yeah and if he had read that statement. He wouldn't sign it. I imagine that the detectives were hoping that He was too stupid to read it or understand what he was reading, and that might be the case seventh grade dropout. So. In Lloyd's final interviews. He said that his uncle Dick had recruited him to pick up the two girls to make a porno film. Uncle Dick. Was In porn and he wanted to make movies to make money. He said he went to the mall with his uncle and his father. Then after months of including cousin. Teddy. In the story, he completely dropped him. So again, shifting stories, he said he lured the girls and self by offering them pie. That's a little tough to believe ten twelve years old. He think they smokin weed. Now, I mean I. Think it's possible that the twelve year old might go along to try some pot. But no, I don't really think likely not from how these two are portrayed candidate. It doesn't seem like it and their parents said no way. So yeah. I don't think they would've. But I do think it is possible. Maybe. The older sister Schiller was interested in birth. Little sister. Kate. Along. Sheila. got into the front seat between Dick and Lee. K-. Cut in the back with Lloyd. Dick was wearing his security guard uniform driving his wife station wagon. He said that gives Sheila Joint. And she coughed. The, drove around for about an hour and Kate was crying in the back seat. dickin-, Lee were arguing about what to do next May eventually drove to Dix house. Yes. Of course, this doesn't sound very believable. Now, because even if the girl would have agreed to go out and smoke a joint, I don't think she would've gotten in a car. They had three men in it more willingly know, exactly. We'll Lloyd claim that he left before. They got to Dix House with the girls. But he said the next day he returned and saw his uncle raping one of the girls. He said that his father Lee was there filming the rape, then he said he left. He stated his father's house for a few days, and during that time, he didn't know where the girls were. So my question here is, isn't it a crime to see something like that and not go to the police or mature? Awful Burn. It's the moral thing to do. Well, yes. At the least right, the very least you could do, but he had more stories. He said that he and Helen were offered money and pot to watch the girls at Dick's house on Easter Sunday while the rest of the Welsh family had their holiday at least house. He said that Helen Watch the girls while he watched TV, and before they laughed, Lloyd, said that he and Helen saw his uncle Dick Dr off with the girls toward the river. So, this is all very sketchy. Many. Says it he and Helen hitchhiked to Virginia. He suggested that his uncle Dick may have been trafficking children. But something went wrong and he had to kill them. So he said, he honestly believe that one of the girls tried to get away and his uncle loss control. He called it a mishap. Scum the Erica God. Just sick. Yeah. Loyd was shown a picture of the basement space, all it up of lead. He said that he thought they could get DNA match, which wasn't true now, but it was a good thing to say to Lloyd to get him going you're. But one of the most upsetting things about Lloyd story was how he claimed that Sheila had willingly gone with him because she wanted to smoke pot with him and he suggested that she was game to experiment with sex on camera with the middle aged man, and she was actually quite innocent. She's twelve. and. Her appearance deny that she would go with anyone unless she was threatened or tricked. And that seems like the truth to me. Absolutely, but whatever illusions loyd held about deflecting the blame off of himself and turning it towards others. Was Gone when he was indicted in twenty seventeen, his most recent claims that his father and his uncle were the killers was really difficult to believe and totally lacked substance I mean you can believe the type of guys that would do this. But other than that. There's nothing to these stories and it ended up the Dick. Welsh was not charged because prosecutors couldn't make a case against him. In fact, many in the Attorney General's office and in law enforcement believed, he probably wasn't involved at all because you can see the way he did that with his cousin throwing him in. Then when he learned his cousin really couldn't have done. It just totally dropped that you're doesn't explain his lies or anything just moves on. Is really a sign of someone who lies all the time. Route three. So looking at the interview transcripts, the detective lead Lloyd into saying that his uncle Dick was the driver and as quickly as Lloyd had pointed the finger at his cousin Teddy. He just dropped teddy from the story when it was no longer working for him. But then once he'd named Dick as the driver for the abduction. Then he continued to add Dick's role in the crimes and make more of a player and all this. Other girls bodies were never found. Lloyd told him. The Kate was murdered with an axe or hatchet. But. He gave no information on how Sheila had been killed. So, detected obviously wanted to find out exactly what had happened to the sisters and recover their remains if at all possible. Yeah, I think they were when they did this, they were more looking at recovering the remains for the parents than that. They would ever get a conviction of anyone. Sure. So in the last conversation with Lloyd before Lloyd's arrest detective. Davis told them that he was going to be arrested. Davis was continuing to pretend to be on Lloyd side and portray Loyd is a victim. Davis. Told Lloyd. He believed him. But he wanted to clear up things. and. He was able to get Lloyd to admit to taking the bloody Duffel bag to tell her mountain. Well, and then even got him to admit to being in the basement. He said he was threatened that he could be cut up to if you talked or refuse to help. He said that his father Lee and his uncle Dick cut up the body and he helped to clean up. But. He said he didn't know if there was one body or to put into the Duffel bag and it always went back and forth if there was one bag or two also. So a lot of things will probably never be known. No No. Looking over this eighteen months earlier. Lloyd. Stated that he had never been to. Wheaton, plaza. And now he's admitted to helping with the kidnapping dismemberment and disposal of the bodies. Still. He said that none of it was his idea that had never touched the girls. And that he had been forced to help clean up and take the remains to Virginia and burn them. According to Lloyd. Kate was dead when he arrived at the basement and she had been crying and either Dicker, Lee had killed her. He said, he saw, Lee. Putting a leg into the duffel bag after Loyd, drove to Taylor Mountain and put the bag into the fire. You said, he drove back to his home on Baltimore. Avenue, then he and Helen hitchhiked back to Virginia. He said, he was about eighty eight percent sure that Sheila had been killed in taken to Taylor Mountain. His explanation of getting the girls to leave with him by offering them pot though still made no sense. So what would really make these girls leave them all with a stranger? That's the question. If they resisted there were lots of people at the mall who would have heard them and probably come to their aid. So, if the girl's did leave with a stranger because Sheila wanted to try some pot, it is possible I. Mean they wouldn't be the first girls to make that kind of decision. But Mary and John Lyon didn't believe it happened that way and I don't either from everything. We've heard about these girls. They were just sweet young girls. Yes just doesn't really interested in that kind of thing now. No. Soon, the other big question is how one abductor could have managed to take control a two girls. We could have handled them by himself if they had gone willingly with him, but eventually, they would have realized that they were in a dangerous situation. So maybe helped, 'cause she did participate another crimes with him. Or as Lloyd it said, may be Lear Dick helped. Both Dick, and Lee, had an interest in having sex with young girls. But as far as Lloyd suggestion that his uncle Dick wanted to the girls to make porn, we don't have any evidence for that. One regardless of the details Lloyd shared, and the details he made up. It seemed like the most likely place for the girls to have been kept in abused was in that basement. The. Possibility that detectives had knocked on the door of the house while Sheila was still alive outback in the basement was really a haunting thought for investigators. It took hundreds of interviews sorting through a trail of lies in using a variety of interrogation techniques to get enough evidence to convict Lloyd Welsh. He may have never been linked to the murders. If he hadn't gone to the security guard in the mall in Nineteen, seventy five, he probably wouldn't have. And he never could have been convicted if he hadn't talked to the police when they approached him in two, thousand thirteen. He was lying throughout his interviews, but he did sprinkle pieces of fact into the fiction. And it took someone trained and skilled to flush out these truths in the lies. So, even though I'm a little skeptical about some of the techniques interrogators us, I also am really in awe of the skill, it takes to be able to do that. As long as you can keep yourself from. Forming too much of an opinion and you can try and keep as objective as possible. And you can really get tunnel vision with that and that's concerning. Oh, absolutely. Now, there are many times in initial interviews when detectives had suggested to Lloyd. That the guilt was burdening him and maybe he wanted to clear his conscience. But his conscious probably never bothered him in his entire life. I don't think seth investigators believe that was fear of getting caught. That made him return to the mall in Nineteen, seventy five, and then years later, it was fear of being prosecuted that made him talk. Lloyd apparently thought he could lie his way through it. Point the finger at other people get away with it. Well Yeah and he probably had gotten away with a lot in his life. They say, for every crime, you're convicted of you've probably committed several. So, I'm sure he wasn't convicted on every sexual assault, he did. Had a long history documented your. But in the end, there was not one piece of conclusive forensic evidence found for the case. In two thousand, seventeen investigators had found a tooth on Taylor's mountain and it was determined to be human and to have belonged to a child about twelve years old. and. This tooth was sent to the Bedford Sheriff's Office. But then when they went to retrieve it just the next day to take it to the lab for more detailed analysis, it was missing. In. No explanation for this is ever been determined. Could have been incompetence I mean, even could have been corruption of some kind. It's pretty mysterious to me. It is. There is a fragment of a human bone found at the bonfire site until his mountain. But there is insufficient the NA to identify it. Yet. But I just think if you take all the stories and all the circumstantial stuff, and then the fact that you found human bone fragment at all. Exactly. Yeah. Plus there are other fragments of fabric and beads similar to something one of the grosses wearing. Those aren't conclusive but suggestive, right? Right. We. Have traces of Hemoglobin in the basement on Baltimore Avenue. They were too degraded to provide a blood type, but we could prove of human blood which I think is something sure. That was a lot of human blood or what had to be a murder. I. Mean. They'd really tried hard and didn't give up easily. They even removed portions of the cement from the basement, pulverized it, and had it analyzed in the lab. But you know it had been forty years. So that doesn't help. So. The details of what happened to Shi Healing Kate are never going to be fully known. It is pretty certain that Lloyd was responsible, but we don't know if he acted on his own or if he had help. There's no question in my mind that Lloyd Welsh is a monster. But he was a victim before he became a perpetrator, he was abused by his family and he grew up in a clan that was highly dysfunctional, cruel and set apart from more functional. You know so-called. Happy. Families. But he did take on the worst of the world he grew up in and there's no excuse for his behavior. Yes. Detectives on his case. Worked hard and they're justifiably proud of their efforts, but they're also disappointed the one deathly to find the bodies and they wanted to be able to identify any CO conspirators. and. We're not going to know the truth. Because Lloyd's story, still can't be fully believed. No. Of the detectives that worked on this case, there are some different theories, but they all agree that Lloyd was the one who led the girls away from the mall. That rape was the motive and that both girls were murdered. They believe that Kate was killed in the basement on Baltimore. And her body was thrown into the bonfire in Virginia. And they also believe that Sheila was taken to Taylor's mountain alive where she was sexually abused more possibly by more family members and then she was also killed and buried. So. Just tragic and I. Hope that's not true. I can't imagine what that girl would go through. Especially, if she knew her sister had been murdered. Just his just beyond cruel young. Detectives debry whether Lloyd acted alone or if he had an accomplice or accomplices. Possibilities include Helen. His father. Lee His aunt pat and his uncle Dick. Dick, Welsh did have a security guard uniform and he could have approached the girls. And said, their parents were looking for them or something similar. 'cause he's her innocent girls who listened to a person in authority. And I really think that's more likely than the pot thing. It sure is I. think that they would definitely respond more to someone who acted like an authority which Lloyd could have done as well. It didn't have to be Dick Welsh. I. Mean Lloyd certainly could have gotten a hold of a badge or something. You're you could've? Because I really don't believe. They would willingly WanNa go with these guys for drugs. That's pretty ridiculous to me. Some Aaron, John Lyons spent forty years living without their daughters and wondering what had happened to them. And this was only partially satisfying right? Because they didn't get all the answers they need. I don't think they're going to know. They did attend Lloyd's sentencing. and. John read a brief statement praising the detectives who had worked the case and he totally ignored Lloyd. He ended his statement saying. It's been a long time. We're tired and we just want to go home. which I can imagine while I can't even imagine. But I could see that they would be exhausted and disappointed and. A. Whole life of pain. Really, there's no getting over that. No, you don't ever now. Our sources for this episode are the last stone of book by Mark Bodin. The Washington Post Archives, and WD J. TV archives. Is. Actually for such an old case, there's a lot out there. Or. Fascinating case. It is it is I just think it's fascinating. The cold case investigation of it. You're that's the fascinating part. But you know like I said in the Intro, the cold cases are often circumstantial. Right, the show cold justice. It's always what people say pretty much or your. Your it's tough to have hard physical evidence in those cold cases share. Especially since there was no DNA back then. So unless you have some kind of sample, it's really hard to identify anybody according to The Washington Post are actually three Welsh family members who were charged with covering up evidence that includes Richard, Dick Welsh his wife portrait Welsh and also amy Welsh Johnson. There were a couple other people brought in for. As, well, so it definitely seems like a family cover up was going on there. TCCB's music was written and produced by Tristan Capelle. Let's move. undefeated. Becker, you ready for that? I'm ready for feedback. We've got kind of back to the norm, a voice meal a couple emails. All right. So let's start with a voicemail from emily with some case suggestions. I Jill Deck. It's emily I recently rediscovered you is and I have been listening to your older episodes and I'm almost all caught up I worked in a cath lab, and so I am very interested in the medical aspect that you guys both contribute to, and I think that's all I like most about your podcast actually. I. Don't have a beer suggestion because I don't drink. But I do have a couple of case suggestions, Iman ear older episodes. I know that Dick had mentioned the good nurse, the book about Charles Cullen, the nurse with Munchausen by proxy. And I. think that would be an interesting case and I think the listeners to to the Mon- housing by proxy. Syndrome cases well, and the other one is kind of white collar but I. Think, you might be able to pull it off It's Michael. Mastro, Marino. And there's a documentary on Amazon prime called body snatchers of New York, and it's basically about a just fraudulent tissue banks service and people contracted hepatitis C., and they were basically stealing body parts and harvesting. tissue and they did not have the family's consent I. believe that he died of bone cancer in jail. But the the whole affair is Really. Just mind blowing and I think that'd be interesting to check out if you could make that into. NERF you'd be willing to investigate a kind of a white collar crime. Technically, people died not necessarily because of him, but they were definitely harmed. So keep up the good work. I love listening to you. Thank you emily. So? Yes. We did read that book. The good nurse before we were even doing the podcast. You're I remember reading it. Yeah. Thinking this would make a good episode will, yeah. You asked me the other day. Didn't we do an episode? I'm getting old, and now we have over three hundred now. So it's easy to forget. But we haven't done that. No, we haven't. Greg. WHO's a fascinating story? Well, it how many Munchausen by proxy see see where he's actually doing it to other adults? Right? Right, and he traveled all over the place. Yeah. Because he is a registered nurse and did damage at a lot of hospitals. Well, yeah. There were a lot of problems with the hospitals. You know just passing him off to other hospitals. Yes that of actually dealing with the problem. Exactly. Yeah. And then what about this other case? Instead central surgery rationing? Sounds like it route. It's Kinda reminiscent of Paulo Macaroni. The guy who had the plastic tricky idea. And a similar this. Master. Marino was a dental surgeon had to give up his practice because he is addicted to drugs. and. I. Think he actually serve some time. Anyway, he came up with more lucrative idea. And that was that he obtained a license to sell human tissue. And you do that. I? Am Not sure that. He was licensed to deal with tendons, ligaments, skin bone, heart valves, corneas at type of stuff. At the time and maybe it still is, but at the time it was A. Unregulated Industry, you could fetch the system a little bit put. That's the case when there's something new. Yeah. There's all kinds of con- people getting in on it. So as emily. Said, there are patients that get transplants with some of his tissue products that developed infections and stuff like that. Master Marino would bribe much worry people. To give him the body, then he would fake documents that. Showed that the families had agreed to it while those funeral home should be in trouble too. That's terrible. I think they were. Yeah. He also forged studies on some cadavers that might have been infected with, AIDS, or something like that. Saying that they had a clean bill of health. So he's not a good guy. And he made millions proudly aided by his wife or his wife turned blind eye to it share. But then he got caught whence, he's caught his wife divorced. Mica hot potato share. And he was convicted. He died in prison I. Am not sure Emily may be bone cancer look like maybe metastatic liver cancer, but he had some form of cancer in his stead. Okay. So I hope that some of that money went to the victims and that that wife didn't end up with all that money that'd be something to look into your her would. But yeah, I I'm fascinated with the medical cases to we did get some ship for a few people about doing the Paulo case like well, that's not really crime, but it absolutely is. He killed people kill people. Yes. It should be charged and I think having a medical degree. You should be held to an even higher standard as far as these things go and. Yeah I think he's one of the worst criminals we've talked about to be honest with you. Yeah because he knew. That this is all a fraud and a hoax right, and it was all for money and he still did it. Yeah. Money and fame wasn't something of passion. Wasn't it was. He wanted to be famous and rich, and you know he was a big liar in every way. Right? He had the wife and family, he was engaged to the other woman. So. Yeah. I. Think either one of those would be totally valid to cover and I'd be interested. We regret some good suggestions. Yeah. So I, have a couple emails, suggestions one from Penelope. I loved the name Penelope and she says, hi there, did you ever look into the murder of Franklin Bradshaw? Of Utah I found it very interesting, but it's a sad case. Thanks very much. Yes. So without giving much away Franklin Bradshaw was wealthy. UTAH. Industrialists and he was killed in nineteen, seventy eight by his grandson. At the instigation of his mother. So Bradshaw's daughter. told her son grandson. Kill your grandfather. There's so many things wrong with this. And apparently, the motive was bradshaw was gonna cut her out of his will. and. She was gonNA lose her accustomed lifestyle she lived on. Blue the highlife in New York City. So again for money her own dad and involving her own son that super said mother of the year. Yeah. Well, thanks smell of you will certainly consider that and our next case suggestion is from Christy. Hi Jill Hi Dick I, Love Your podcast. Listen to you at work when whenever I'm working on doesn't require too much thinking and I pay attention to your show at the same time. I love to quietly throw out my two cents into whatever you are saying. So here's one to keep an eye on I. Expect. You've heard about it even though you don't live in, Ohio. It should be going to trial soon and has been quite as spectacular case in. Ohio. I woke up to the breaking news on April Twenty, second two, thousand sixteen, and I have been riveted ever since. Eight people, all rodent family members were shot and killed in four different homes in Pike County, Ohio all in one night, seven victim, six adults and a sixteen year old were shot execution style in their three adjacent homes. The eighth person was shot in his nearby camper, a total of thirty two bullets fired three young children, ages, three, six months, and four days old were left unharmed. Thank God hand may wrote in the mother of the three year old and newborn was found shot to death still in bed recovering from the birth of the four day old. based. On the murder scene investigators were quite certain. The murders were premeditated and that the perpetrators new, the rodent family, the police understandably kept a lot of the case, extremely hush hush as they investigate it. So speculation went wild that this could be a mafia, hit a Mexican cartel killing a drug ring killing and or even a cockfighting operation killing based on. On the limited amount of information that was released at the time, this investigation has been the largest homicide investigation in Ohio's history finally in. November. Two, thousand, eighteen, four members of the Wagner family who were known to the rodents were arrested and charged with the murders Edward. Jake Wagner was the ex-boyfriend of victim Hannah, Roden, and the father of her three-year-old. Daughter. As of yet, Ohio has not had the murder trial trials were set to begin this fall. However, the covid nineteen pandemic has thrown a wrench into the proceedings. Pretrial. Originally, slated for April, has been moved to at least June which will push the actual trial further into the year. I expect a lot longer I do expect the jury will get an earful. Far, as a local beer recommendation, I don't drink beer I like girly mixed drinks. But most of my sailing mate certainly do so based on what I see them. Drinking I would have to recommend Great Lakes brewing barrel, aged blackout stout, a Russian imperial stout. Maybe you already did that one though I don't know Dick have we. We have not there would be a good one to do I know you love those Russian imperial stoute's? Or they're good. Greatly screwing. The I've had a few of their beers. They do a good job. So if we do this case and I would really like to do this case. But I, would also like get the trial underway. Yeah. So it might be awhile. For this case to come along Christie, better, that's going to occur. And when we do the episode, we will do the barrel as blackout stout at your suggestion. Fate. Thanks, Christie. Yes. That look like she put quite a bit of work into it. Or thanks she did. Yeah. I do too. All right. One ready to wrap things up how about you? Let's go finish the spear. And take a dip in the pool. Okay. It's ninety six degrees out. It's a hot one. Sure is okay. Everyone. We'll talk to you next time at the quiet. 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S3E21- Bullshittin' with Sweet T

Pressure Points

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S3E21- Bullshittin' with Sweet T

"You guessed it pressure points with your two favorite hosts on this is aj and got a little special guest in studio today. Mr sweep t. We're hitting a season three episode. Twenty one oh shit. Find us on instagram and twitter at points pressure. Get ready by this. What the fuck is bullshitting bow. Ship bo shitting me about how she et. Shit out a bo- you know it baby. Have you ever realized the resemblance of our intro music to robo. Recall the music in that. Vr game no as a really similar. It sounds really similar. But i don't well they're not paying us so let's not talking to you okay interesting. I'm not surprised though. That's all i have just free. I don't have a good segue. Good how you thanksgiving you know not too bad. Yeah had an excuse to not go to anybody's house shitty parents house. I went to out. He was there thanks eighty nine. I made fat washed room. Make hot buttered rum saw tales. Really good those on wednesday. Yeah made on wednesday nights and then ready for thursday. Hell tastes good. Have a little bit. Leftover remind mail at you now explains to explain. The butter washed fat wash. I don't fucking know year your brown butter so you melt butter until it goes clear and then the fat solid start to drop to the bottom and those get cooked and turn brown. Thou- point is poured into a container poorer. Asthma jerome as you want in there and then talking mixed the shit out of it because if you don't build separate and you haven't done anything said wasted two hundred and fifty grams of butter. You're gonna say two hundred and fifty dollars butters fucking butter. Sixty pounds three sticks or something. I don't know Yeah spin makes the shit out of that. And you just let it sit all the solids congealed the top hip oklahoma linnet poor the filter it and for the rest of it in into a bottle and taste like butterscotch. Nice how's the hollick butterscotch harry. That'll be the next. P p cider i mean it takes like two hours so like is a lot quicker than the pity cider dope bad what about ut. Who's your house sweet. Tea holiday proper name holiday was good. Had this some jerk off kid over here came to my house. You can't talk about my research shit. My sister's baby daddy that way no. It was quite just to be low key for sure not extended families. You know stress stuff like that. It was just nice relaxing. We did a lot of getting to know. Yeah your sister's baby daddy daddy and just hung out and left more in that few hours than i had in a little while so that was nice. So little wholesome experience not too bad not too shabby at all. Good stuff. yeah. I was gonna say you do anything fun. You go to your family. No i did not go for thanksgiving. Faulk that what you're anti. I'm willing to murder. My family with kelvin potentially also. I didn't want to get it No i went to my girlfriend's parents place and we just had like a really small together. It was a nice nice little thing and then after that side of the family. Wasn't there Yesterday i went up to my parents house. Hung out with my brothers and fucked around had some pets and good laughs plus my brothers. Yeah fuck my brothers. Skip out on taking the one home today. They were like oh you want to write up to. Byu idaho with your like one brother and dropped the other often. I go nope because my parents don't know about the podcasts. I couldn't be like oh. Yeah like i actually after record with. Aj this weekend and they're like what not shall i was just like I'm meeting up with the friend. We're like okay. That's kind of like turn your brothers away for that. And i was like. It's a good reason by so. Yeah i love it. I love the the underlying story of you not telling your family that we think that i'm gonna tell well so. All of my siblings no But my parents don't I think i have a couple cousins. That listen But my parents don't know just because they they just don't grasp it like if i were to say. Oh yeah this picture. That's on the back of my phone is my podcast which my brother pointed out Yesterday we're eating breakfast. Oh hey my mom goes. She's all phones like your cases looking a little bit cracked. Turn it up and go. Oh yeah and these like yet. Probably for really crappy podcast to and i looked and i put it down like a yes pretty terrible and she was none the wiser dodge that it's just one of those. They would not grasp it and i would get so many lectures. You're an adult forty five year. Old toll thirty five fuck. He's closer to my age than what. My girlfriend guessed. It was on my birthday. Like d won't get in bed. I'm like twenty nine and she's like really what the four we've been the other two years. Yeah she's just like when. I was seventeen and she was fourteen. She's like yeah. I'm gonna be twenty nine. She's all oh shoot. I thought you were younger. Like what the fuck you gotta start out. Damn find some way to keep her around now. No she'll keep you around as long as you keep working and not and getting paid for it not working really the second. The money stops once money. Stops you either have to get hot. She's gonna serpine prostitutes from my sexual satisfaction. who knows. We'll find that you already do that. Now we know we haven't made enough pressure points. Yeah oh yeah. Oh yeah ain't new stuff up on the store though. If you're a patron you get a discount. Because that's what i've done since the last time we recorded. Oh yeah. I saw the for that and back down. Didn't wear oh good. That would be really just embarrassing would be. I didn't realize that i could shamelessly like get fifty percent off of our stuff. I just wanted a sample. Yeti know that. So i'm probably going to get One of those new designs kiss your designs her number. Yeah that's fair sweet. Little store that. I but these new ones are really good and then picture you put on. The show is fantastic. Worked so hard on that. So i was going on and screenshot the the shirts and i would 'cause i made them all in pate so that's why aj's off. I go in and select them out with the stupid little tool. And i'm just like copying and pasting into one thing and i'm just layering and i was like yeah. This looks cool. it's white in the background. I go exactly what to do. So i just started so armee. Just don't bug now. It were through it up and it worked all right now. I think it's beautiful and we should do a relaunch. We just did think your mom just bought a Like a hoodie or something. I'm talking to my mother. Stay away from his mother sweet tea. Oh you're grabbing going to have to tell them that i'm his father. No oh goodness so. Not bad sorry. I totally derailed good. I mean that was basically the extent of it sell. If you haven't noticed we do have sweet tea studio today. Oh hello if we actually give him a chance to talk this episode. It'll tell some story this this podcasts for us. Yeah this is. This is for us to just talk above him the entire time that works so we shut. Yeah yeah right exactly. Yeah we just did one of our sloppy seconds episodes. You can find him on patriotic Under four dollars and twenty cents here and talks about some some crap that he made some some little homebrew in the back office by accident. Which i i held onto this one for this episode So in middle school. I had this this friend. I can't say his name because it's so unique but it rhymes with well. It's trekker was his name. I know it's utah. I know that's his name. If there was anybody in north carolina named schreker. It'd be the only one. But i can guarantee there's two hundred of them to cato. Yeah yeah of course. So i had like halfway through the year i had to like shift over and share lockers with him. I don't know why so go over. He must've sweet kit. Really nice kid but for some fucking reason like usually people get out of that stage in their lives by the time. They're like five that they're like i'm going to make potions with weird stuff. I'm your mom's expensive shampoos and totally. Everybody gets over past the five yet. He did not and he had transitioned from like just the regular like toiletries and shit to lunch food known so we. It was just before our easter break. He had put together this thing that was like grape juice and they had breadsticks so he through much of bread sticks in their. Oh perfect these he just put like fucking granola bars and shit in there. Whatever the fuck he just tossed everything. It's like one welch's bottle okay. I was going to say what was the container again. Yeah it's a little welches bottle we're going to get sponsored now welches who bring it home that. Try yours today. So star puts it in the locker not a big deal. Where like oh yeah like. that's hilarious. I don't fucking know what we were thinking. Whatever so it's easter break. So i'm not taking my schoolbooks home. I don't have shit about him. So i leave him in the locker lima backpack in their whatever. Go home for easter break. Come back and the hallway smells fucking terrible. Flies everywhere like i remember. Show up to school in all. Yeah don't even have to wear my backpack. I get it from my locker. I'm walking up and it's getting worse. Now's like what the fuck happened. Like what is that smell. That sewage pipes break like it doesn't quite smell like sewage. It's smells like somebody really screwed up on baking bread so to my locker and pop it open and fuck. If it wasn't the worst smell in the world just hits me like a truck. The bottle. Because i don't know if you guys know waiting for welches bottles don't really have the capacity vow air pressure to build up so it just exploded in their ruined one of his One of his hoodies. It like do. It smelled like my mom and dad and entire family. Were like beer. Addicted alcoholics and just puked in my backpack but holes. We all over that dude. It was terrible. So i'm like oh this is gross it. I'm thinking it'd probably exploded like friday afternoon because it was dry. None of this. It wasn't so king or anything. The best part was it had gotten all over all of my books that were just stacked in the locker. So i grabbed my likes stank backpack bomb my stanky buck and books in there and i am clearing out the hallway walking through here for the first time ever. It was not dis like fucking horrible armpits. That were stinking hallway. My god awful backpack and books. So i'm going through the day and all of my teachers like what is that smell. And i'm just i was so embarrassed i was just like oh god trick or what the fuck of you to me so i get to. My math class in my math book was the one that had been sitting on the top and that one like it was warped i she like. The cardboard cover of that book was warped on both ends of smith. Daddy ages in between most more like this thick and glued together thirty pages at a time just soaked. So i get to class. And my future's like everybody assigned amazon page like three thirty seven and i opened my book. Just tone poem go can turn five hundred pages and i realize that i can't get to page three thirty seven this long and i'm like no so i bend the pages and crackle the beer out of them fucking coach and i tried to like flip through them to get the and it's like don't don't don't son of a bitch having to peel pages and the smell is getting worse with every page talking. Turn finally get to it and everyone in the room. It's like oh my god. What's that smell at this point. It's been on me all day. I'm used to it and i was like what. What's oh shit. That's right that's me at the end of class. My teacher goes sits back in the corner and she starts working on papers. All of my like. I'm the last one leave on purpose and just walk over and i said it on top of the other math books because she just had them stacked. I said it and just grab another one and walked out of the class. I swear to god that book on the job for the rest of the school year and her room smelled like shit the rest of the year and my mom was so pissed when i got home. She's like what is that smell. You smell like your uncle. And it's like i don't know my locker me me this thing and it sinks in. She was so mad at me. she's like i have to repair. Replace those books. I was like no. I'm just switching amount. It's like about gotcha. Your boys covered. Did you do you guys. Starting in elementary. It happened to me. Did you guys ever have teachers. Threatened to make you pay like four hundred dollars for place textbooks at. That's why i was nervous. I was like. I don't wanna turn in this like crusty textbook. That now only has six pages guessing. I i'm going to switch it and just turn this. Even though he had to register your numbers they'd right the number on the bottom. Don't give it but they didn't fucking care. yeah. I found out the easy way. Yeah kid has a book. Book turned in everything. You do the shit out of every kid. Oh they're just like you'll pay seventeen thousand like these are college level textbooks. You will lose your home. Clone bake after you motherfucker. Twenty year old. Yeah you probably had a different experience with that. Because like they they made you guys paying pennies because that was a lot of money back they were heavy. Yeah a penny farthing two gallons back then. That's yes please let it yes. It smelled way better. Made me really want to see the insides of people for some reason taste pennies. This is weird too good. So now you're the you're the star now that we're getting now that my one stories out of the way. Now that's a good story all right so i've got a story i'll call. I don't know if i should tell the title. That would make it better. The don't do the title. we'll it. okay so okay. So one of my best friends growing up he had some of that. It's snapple will talk about. You'll hear about later in the week. Everybody on patriot. Pay pay for it please. It's it's not us doing. The shameless dozing from mike. Terminate all right. Put the cue cards down. he's done. he's done last okay so off knife away from him okay. So they buddy mind grew up in different parts of the city. Used to be a slum than it was now. it's a real rich part of the city the avenues. Oh you know back in the seventies maybe that was like a crap place to live. And then i don't know when it's a little bit of gentrifying just painting those houses. Now they're worth a ridiculous amount of money but it's g i lived on the west side so that was poor side. Apparently even though i grew up definitely middle-class but then you miss in the seventies was like yeah groped there in the seventies eighties but but The eighteen eighty again when a penny meant something celebrity town. Yeah okay so the way that. The school districts were split up is that they ended up taking part of the avenues part of the west side and then they go to one high school and then the other half go to another so that it's not just the rich school in the poor school. I guess the. I guess the best way to name them would be the avenues in the west side would go to. I don't know just spitballing. Maybe let's name it west high school exactly and then the everybody else can go to Let's see up to the school. Yeah sold it's a great question. I mean it's a great come. i don't know what i'm saying. Fuck okay good okay. That works so we'll cut all this hour right. now i fuck schmidt. Only things when d- drops the name people who've been potentially molested this is true. Yeah yeah that's right with him going beep. Did you hear that okay good. I'm glad you really hard on. Catch more slop the good stuff you see daisy sees so that was so before i met my buddy there. We met in high school because he was on a rowdy table. I was at another rowdy table in the science lab. Nice and so. They're like no. We gotta break this up so they move him to my table. The rest is history right. That was a bad move on her part justification. I gotta i gotta mix this up. You know what rowdy table one. You're going rowdy table to it. Was perfect the rowdiest of their outgoing. They'll just rowdy one another. It's not how it works zero. Yep misuse them more. So so before we met in high school he was in junior high on the east side there and they were all mormons. They did a service project they cleaned up. Okay an old lady in the neighborhood had just died in the house was in shambles. She's bit of a hoarder It was their project. Their church service project. I guess was to go clean up her house. Get as much out of it as they could it was it would end up being demolished Or just gutted and started over you know And one of those kids was cleaning up in a room. That people haven't been to and there was a box like a hole in a wall. How shaked holds. This box out opens it up. The sun shines right into it so much money. Oh god i was. I was nervous. There's going to be full of like toenail going vintage so he pulls this out and says nothing nothing to anybody if he pulls this money out and he's like oh fuck okay. It's like this like an old like ten right. Lots of dough so he holds it. Takes home puts it under his bed and then he's like what do i do. Okay i got to tell my buddies so the word spreads between this tight. Knit group bright. You're back. I just fell through the floor money long. Holy shit so yeah he hold and then he finally tells one of his another buddy look at this and then they tells another buddy and they keep it to maybe about twenty guys total so they live close to downtown and this be this whole summer became what was called kilo days where the name came from. But i have an idea. You're pulling out of a wall and then you're making lots of money. So what they did with his money is they would spend they spend an entire summer just at the mall and the mall used to be something great. You know an arcade movies clothing. You hang out so they spent probably roughly ten thousand dollars holy shit and a summer. Say how much fucking money was in the was around. Ten thousand homeless was a huge huge amount. They were all like big. Would he literally murder you right now. For ten thousand absolutely. I'm sure the church. Chris real tithing percent. Yeah exactly kids. We're not gonna pat goddamn. I think it kept them all going for another couple of years it was. It was several thousand dollars anyway. So so they he just set this visual ups for me as he's telling me this and i'm likes semi skeptical but trust this man so i'm like okay. This is an amazing store. So he said you know one of the guys who was the holder of the money would be sitting at a one of those driving video game machines and one of his buddies would come up to him he was like i need a little cash and to roll fifty. Yeah pull out. A role told a back like this hand to like. He's the kingpin dawn. Yep he's got liquorice rope hanging out of his he's got like fun. Dips all over shirt like scarface cocaine. That kind of thing and it was just called kilo days. And i was like this story. And so after that you know every once in a while he'd see an old friend of his at the high school or somewhere else and he'd be like hey kilo days they'd be like yes kilo days. That was the best summer of my life. So i would get all this confirmation of and different stories that these fellows would tell about the clothing. They had parents not asking questions because it was the eighties. Give a shit but they. They went through these multiple thousands of dollars over a summer along using. Yeah it was. It was an amazing. I'd be chasing that high rest of my life. absolutely yeah. They're chasing the dragon for the rest of their life. what their menial paying little kilos. Yeah absolutely oh my god. If i had done anything like that. I think one time i found like five bucks little caesars and i just remember thinking i just found a lincoln and i was so thrilled early. Oh yeah and my mom turns. She's like d- aren't you going to turn that in like and so i walk up to the front and i go. I found a five dollars to the cashier and he goes. I keep it turned her. And she's like okay. Okay but fifty seventy that goes to the church. I think one time. I found like eighty bucks and i was just thrilled anytime. I bought something she was like. Where did you get that. We're too porter afford something. You can't afford new hot wheels steal those like no. Yeah the difference in parenting between the eighties. Now i mean the stuff we did as kids. Okay there was the subaru brat. Have you ever heard of that. It's it's weird asked looking car but in the back seat are two chairs kind of like this. Never facing facing back and the all no seatbelts. There's just two handles hold on when you're flipping those above it. It just says good fucking luck. I mean we wrote in the back of trucks. All the time like we had a camper. You know that that would sit on the back of a big truck and we'd go camping in the summers when i was growing up and there was a window in the front the beds on the top. And there's a window out the front we would just sit there lay there and just look out window like if he hit the brakes hard enough. Just go right through that window. Nobody gave a shit. We miss it. When i was a kid we had a way different. One of those like it was like early. Early eighties Station wagons is a chevy in the back seat face the opposite way we would take turns to sit back had cock seed. Yeah we were like oh listen the cooksey. Let's take turns so one day my cousin it's slept over and we were driving to take him to our uncle's place sexy. Yeah yeah so we could all give so we get touched. This uncle actually ended up in prison for just that. But yeah sorry dude. These tragic backstory parts seven so were riding in the back of a station wagon and my sisters thought. It was hilarious. Like like drop in on our hands or feet and we would show to people when they drove past soc turned my cousin i know do we were weird. Still are so she turns to my cousin. They draw little mustache. And so he's looking down we to a stop light and he looks up at the people behind him and makes eye contact and then just like slowly lowers his hands and just smiles. He's got this little blue mustache just looking. I'm like what the fuck is like. Why are these kids facing us. My sister goes. I've got this really funny thing. I'm gonna ride on your foot. Show it to the trucker. So i turned out. I was like all right so i turned my foot. Achy writes on it and big semi truck drives fast. Put my foot up to the window. And he goes mom and i was like what does it say and i turn my foot and i can barely see it. And it says the letters you are a q. T i didn't think anything of it. I was like all truckers. Probably gay twelve year old. Dis like funny prank. Meanwhile this guys like against twelve year old boone. Baby book that yes god. He's probably like golf feet. I'm just like what a funny prank to a station. Wagon was bad fucking news. We tell me had wood paneling on the side. I don't think that's like the worst tan shit ever. It was amazing there either wood-paneled or tan share buddy mine. His first car was the family station wagon and it was an automatic. So you know the little bar you'd pull. Its on the way talk that that would just come out and he would use it like like bob barker on the price. I'll pass it back and say something. And then he talked back in hundred tank o pass. Pass it around and just people in the car. I like watch the road. Smith's things big enough. It'll expecting now. That's bullshit fucked up. We called the kilo days. Yeah give it away. No you're good good good but that was no. I need a drink. Oh my god oh okay. That reminds me of okay. What did it remind me of. Got another story about something back. Then what was it. Oh jeez okay. Well you think about it. I'll tell stupid road trip stories so we Went to disneyland. When i was in like fourteen was for my sister's graduation. It was her graduation present so we had one of those big lake. Nineteen nineties suburbans. That is just got like four rows of seats. Like love them yeah. It was like a short bus essentially so pile. Elise fucking kids in there and we found out like three hours drive. Didn't have a c. And we're driving to southern california of god from northern utah in june so passing through nevada. And we're getting like nev nevada. We're getting past. No las vegas everything which while we were driving past las vegas i remember. My parents insisted that we put Like shorts and cardboard up in the window that we couldn't see the billboards. And i remember just like i had two pieces of cardboard and like you better hold at their d. inside his pieces they just think. That's just got a peek. Just a little peek at all these like lingerie signs and i was like. Oh my gosh my goodness little little. Fourteen year old d. Just having the best direction of his life sea bake a big deal out of something. This shouldn't be a big deal than the if you're a truck driver and some kids shows you is foot. Ut a little cutie sell. I cracked it just a little bit. So i could see the the most sinful place on the planet pointed the depths of hell area so for writing and we get to where it's just that stretch where it's all desert and it's hot as fuck so my mom. I don't know where the fuck she got the idea from but she goes. I have just the thing and hands us like these weird. It looks like this tube of fabric that it's soaked in like it had been soaked in the cooler and like ice water. She's like put these on your neck. The pioneers more like what so we put them on. And we're like it's really cold. Like feels ice cold like oh this is really nice. What is this. and she's like. It's just shows you fucking weird. My child is she goes. It's the same thing that's in diapers that absorbs and we're like way we have diapers on our fucking next right now. And she's like yeah aren't don't feel cool and we're like no no right the opposite mom but it felt good because it was like you'd roll down the windows and the air that blows in your like cool off blows in one hundred forty degree area like baugh so you quickly roll it back of a dude. It was hell on earth absorbing diepen. God no shit that she would tell us. Oh yeah dude. It was a it was a mass. That sounds absolutely miserable. So glad. I don't have a lot of these stories. Maybe i can't remember them. Maybe a semi childhood. We just need to get you a maybe. My family cared about me. When i was growing up but i just felt bad for me because i was born like a deaf and dumb bean a religious little kid though. I remember you mentioning. That was not any fault of mine. God hey at least i came to. Yeah you did. You would. If i slapped you enough. I mean my son brother's keeper. I remembered oh yeah okay. It's just cars. Were weird when i was growing up right so we had this snooty bitch in our high school. Who had a volkswagen bug but the front of it was a rolls royce. Front you ever seen them what. Yeah okay yeah so some nerd out. There made rolls royce confronts like hoods for volkswagen fox. Volkswagen bugs the. The engine is in the back. The front is the trunk. So you just take that trunk off and just replace it. What a place. Whatever the bottom on and someone somewhere had made rolls royce look fronts. God she was just really proud of this absolute third of car so we went. They always are. It's always the dumbest fucking car and look at this. You know it looked so fun. Because it's like i'm three with a body kit on it. Yeah with wide-body tiny tires chevy trucks that are just like three inches from the graving. What's what's the point and you can't put anything in the back dry body. No not just barely so okay so this is really light in the front this thing so i love having rich friends because they had the most amazing houses up on the hill. We not the avenues but up above right is gorgeous places there was like i don't know the house that you'd see on ferris buehler's day off with the car and your kind of stuff. I love going to those parties. Good kids go to their parties. Love your kids could blow good kids good bloke kilo days yet. Good kilo days silo days every day of their life and i can. I can feel that so okay so that car was parked out front in. So i don't know i can't remember how this started but at this party. Someone was more of a party planner than i wanted them to be. And they decided to do some kind of like a personality. Wide scavenger hunt thing. Yeah but it was like you gotta go to the store and buy a certain item and bring it back thing. We're like we're gonna. We're gonna leave this party. I items like three hundred dollars. Yes we're lost. I gotta get a cartier watch just a little just a cheap one so so decided everyone splits from this beautiful house right. I've got my car there. I bought my first car. When i was so that it could be mine. Known could ever tell me. Your father wouldn't buy you a car you would let me use the buick skylark but didn't wanna use that at one of my own so i worked my ass off and got myself a car anyway. So everyone's splits from this party and her car is there and so we decide okay. There's enough of us. Let's pick this shit up and put it on someone's lawn. Oh hell yeah so. We picked up this car. Put it up on a lawn that it was sloped. So it's it's like this is barely hanging and it's just sitting there and then we take off. You know we go down to the convenience store seven eleven or whatever and you know fuck around and then when we decide but everyone's back from their dumb little scavenger hunt will be fine so we get back to this house and they're this girl is livid as hell she was like you and she pointed to mike chess like it was me and you almost like. It was my idea something exactly so she was a cute did that and i was like. I don't know what you're talking about. You move my car up here. You could ruin it blah blah blah. And she was yelling in front of everyone else. And i was like lady. You are so wrong and one of my friend's girlfriend who just wanted to back us up. I guess she was like no. No no no. There's no way they could have. They were the first ones down at that. Seven eleven is issam which is total bull of. You're an absolute queen of. That's amazing and she felt like a total asshole. She's a fuck and writer. Die right there. Yeah absolutely so she so this girl with the car was very apologetic. I could complete in the entire time. That was us you do so. Yeah i decided later on to date her and another girl with the same name just so i could try. It worked because i never called out the wrong name that yet. Funky another in the kilo days that has delightful saga. I love that. So what's this have heard about a cock ring. No cock brain no. Let's talk green but my my wife was reminded me some old stories but that it wasn't conquering it was prince albert. Okay so yeah. I helped my brother-in-law builds his dream. Home right we didn't really know what we were doing but we decided we're going to do it. Which by the way it's a beautiful we've seen it. Yeah i've been i. I went over there. We drank vr. We drink got at aj for being a bitch kind of again like every episode. Yes so that beautiful house. We've built that just a bunch of novices. But we did it and okay so during that time The guy who owns it. I don't know if you met him. You know your your cousin's dad. My uncle your uncle math is hard means. Yeah look win. someone's giving you a twenty titty twister towel stop. Oh i was like any middle aged balding man touching my child cool. Okay i got ya. Yeah so your uncle's house. That's so we were at the home. My cousin spotters house trying to make it more difficult to your father's house. That i helped built the house that uncles built so we we were at a home depot and we were tired. I mean we've been working hard. I still was in school. I was still had a full job and it was. Just you know weekend days we were doing this thing. And we're at the home depot. He's a tall guy. So this the person checking us out with scanning items beep beep beep and then there's this one item nothing scans again. Nothing and just for some reason this ladder my mouth. He's like crotch level of this super tall. Yeah my my brother-in-law's crotch level the scanner. Because he's a tall boy. And i just look over. Look down and say maybe it's your prince albert setting it off and he instinctively brings his pelvis back just as the lady scanning in and i'm pretty sure you said the word honey. I don't know if i did last couple at that at that. Home depot. yeah. I made it sound like. Hey maybe if that's your prince albert this building that dream home and she beeps looks up. He looks up. They make eye contact the awkward eye contact and he gets beat red and i start laughing and she just slowly puts the item in the bag and not to know. This guy is makes it better. It makes all the better because he would never he wouldn't say shit mouthful of it. He's in front of people right so it just made all the better as he pelvic tilts back ended. It beeps through. I was like scanned for anyone who doesn't know to prince. Albert is dick piercing. So there you go. That that reminds me of another story about him about the time he Jumped steamroller and lateral. So he really had to pee. I think i remember this one for it. So we really had to pee construction at the airport for a summer like because he was He's an architect. Oh yeah so. When he was in school they had to do some like hands on work contractor and construction your structure and stuff so he really had to be but knowing this guy. He's not going to be on the side of the road. Somebody could like might seize your. I've i'll buy especially because the head contractor. Was there watching him work. Yeah his prince. Albert have gotten caught. Somebody store now stretches dick across salt lake valley so they i love it He yeah he's on a steamroller. And i don't know the details of the jump but somehow he got it off the ground was a greater greater sar aid in the middle. And they're trying to to level this area and it's just over and over drop it down over and over and so it's just built up this little bump. You must have hit a rock the size of that. Vw rolls royce. Not hot air came down and his bladder burst poof and so like pissing straight blood draw so no treatment for it he just had the er just gave him a bunch of these like clear cups and every day he had the pee into it and put it up. There was a little late normal color. Yeah there was a ledge on their kitchen window so bathroom to bathroom window so they had to win the window. Just right clear as it went. Yeah every time you went to. He would have to go shake it up because it was separate shaken up all these. Oh that guy. Yeah that's the best He's yeah he was the best. I love that building. A house was tough but it was worth it. That's when i very first went over there with. Aj we were driving. And we're in the area. And i just go man what. The fuck is at house like sticks out like a sore thumb. It doesn't look like any other houses and he stopped. He says you want to see it was like oh keep calling. Now we're here. He opened the doors like pro. Like they look like the richest bucknell like walk up to their house. And so i can out. And he's like craft beer. It's like what what the he's on. Non kin this is their house. Like oh shit. He threw me. I was like what are you doing. But messing with the yeah. It's a gorgeous house. The deck out over the water is just the best thing Up until this year in the summers we would watch movies on the back deck. He had a place to hang a projector screen and then had a digital has a digital projector and we would just sit out there in that decks as big as my house Yeah so you could just spread out and just watch a movie out with the trees and the water stream gone through. I'm going to add love. That always. So i miss that. We haven't been there the whole year but it's a great place to hang out. It was meant it was built for having people there. you know. that's a great place for charlottesville spot. Yeah stuff while. He got anything else because so many stories. Yeah so many I've always got stories If you want something gross if you want something stupid if you want something. I don't know him with us. okay. I'll go out with the gross one. Okay go out. we're not done no i. i will go out with a good one. Gross wise okay. So i think it's gross but to be a little cringe so if you don't know i'm a nurse i've been a nurse for longtime i work on a floor. That has a lot of crazy happen. So this was the long ago Fairly new nurse but for some reason this okay. We had a patient elderly. Maybe a little mentally ill but we didn't realize that it's time but maybe six. Am of course just before. Shift change cease. She's sitting on the toilet. Someone had just helped her to the toilet sitting on the toilet by herself. Thinking about things decided she just wanted to die all of a sudden on no so she gets up on the toilet and decides. I'm gonna kill myself by jumping off this toilet. what's so she jumps up on the ground on her face. Oh fuck kept her hands to the side and jumps face head first song it. Yeah i don't know. I mean your instinct would be to put your hands out just didn't and i was outside of the room with another nurse buddy of mine clattered. I heard the worst thud. I've ever heard in my life and we looked at each other. Knew exactly what it was. We went in there and there. She is laying on the ground like what happened. I'm trying to kill myself. Like how jumping off the goddamn toilet. So there she is the face just still on the ground like she's laying there like not moving. Pull her up. She's fine except all of her. Teeth are keith and blood for days. But she wasn't dead. She was dead just fine except she says yourself and and decided to leave an entire mouthful of teeth on the grounds are expensive. Oh i mean those were her native teeth. Those we're not denture skies teeth so sh- we got her back into bed just a cup of milk tax nursing. I just went back in the bathroom and just like decided to pick up all the teeth. They were shattered. There's nothing we can do. Holy cow can you believe this grossness other into my just to see how india to hold like these are great. I should put these in a box with all the other teeth. I have never mind. Is there any gold that gross me up mostly because of the thaad it was so it is all that we're like got lady you are smash hit. I don't know what happened to her but she went to the psych floor after. I wonder why you don't say yeah. Go figure well tell you what happened to her. She had a drink with straws. The rest of her life soft drink a beating do through. A blender dietary immediately went on a liquid diet. Exactly that time when i had teeth. Sorry lady i don't know what happened to her but fuck. Yeah oh speaking teeth. I did now. That's not much of a story. It is a straight okay. I got my wisdom teeth. Taken out was eighteen right. I still have that job at the at the office building that i loved but had my wisdom teeth taken out. I think it's the closest to a- surgery i've ever had in my life. So i know totally. I haven't had to do anything too crazy like that but so i don't remember much of i remember waking up. I remember being home and my mom saying go go lay down for awhile sleep it off and then later on i wake up with these weird memories and what i thought were dreams right but what i had done actually was woke up told my mom. Hey i'm feeling better. I'm going to go to work and pick up. My paycheck drove valley. Did to my work picked up my paycheck. I don't know what i said or did other than grabbing my paycheck and then drove all the way back home and went to bed while i like mom. Why did you let me leave. She goes she seemed fine. Host like remember you should never be under anaesthetic go. I know it'd be one of those people who sleep walks and then kills their family. Exactly yeah i j included. Yep i'm gonna come over here yeah slash your throat. I mean i'll never do that. Never know but i have one memory. One of the things. I thought was a dream was being at work and looking as if i was looking through a fish islands and seeing like the entire world around me and just going talking to people picking up my paycheck and nothing else so yeah that was as close to a a dui ever attaches. I remember thing was like. Thanks for letting me go. So last story yeah. What was your experience with us. L. c. punk. What what was your leg surgery to. Yeah that's right yes or two more. Yeah i had a buddy who had figure or he had gotten a second job at local hospital and he was like pilfering things from their scalpels and things like that and just he made his own first aid kit which was stellar right so So one day he heads us rock climber we were. All rock climbers. He had gone doing some solo stuff and had fallen. Maybe ten feet landed at the base of a tree and part of the tree had gone up into his ankle ou- into his ankle and all the he didn't know that all he saw was bulging side of his ankle and it was bleeding so he comes into work and so we're like a mash unit. You know we're in the commissary with all these big boxes. Where like moving stuff over setting up. These boxes lay down lay down and we extracted. It's this is this. Is the building okay exactly at our job in the commissary where they store all the of food and cans and stuff and we. We extracted a three inch piece of bark out of ankole and then like washed it out with the saline he had and sewed it up and everything else like that and there was walking he gets we should be nursing. I need to do this. I was like this stuff is amazing. Everyone else's gross outlook green. I was that was pretty sweet. You guys get romney. And then i went and studied accounting instead and then realized that was a bad. I came a nurse so yeah. Slc punk he studied accounting and realize. You didn't want to blow your brains out by thirty five own a suit and you didn't wanna still no did not want to do anything like that so okay sell punk so okay this. I don't know why we do this but this was prom. Time right my buddy kilo days buddy was dating a girl from another high school and so we got this bright idea to just like dress up like punks. I don't know why we did it. But we had made like these nose rings out of out of like safety pins and just stuck them through our nose and mitt a budget year rings and stuff through our nose and died our hair black and did all the stupid shit. We were gonna meet hurt them all and then surprise. I don't know why so it ended up. The thing was sh-. I'll go ahead and story a little bit. We saw her coming down the escalator. By buddy who was dating her she recognized at all walks up to her and plants scrooge kiss honor and she was like scared to tears and was about to punch him in the face and she's like say yeah she goes. What the hell are you guys doing. Nothing but what we were waiting for her a couple of like like bad looking dudes like well no way. They're punks and salt lake. It's like this is great. We've been here for a few days and and everyone was just these squares straits and we're like yeah all these kids who have never smoked done drugs drink anything. And they're like separate apple later on but Yeah we had and so we had to play it cool with these guys because we thought they were gonna stab us. If they found out we were just fucking with them. We're trying to chill. You'll you like molly and you're like she's nice. Yes it's pretty sweet. I guess what about mary jane she lets down the street from me. I think of lots of drugs. yeah. I've injected a lot on the mary. Janet of i've yeah. I've had hallucinations on mary. Jane touched i've been with a pussies before this kid fucks where we can get some stuff and we're like yeah. There's this place called paisley park. You can go there. Get lots of drugs we do so we had to keep that because keep that going because we thought we are in big trouble with these guys because they were older. They're like in their you know mid twenties so they were way old to us. We thought we were going to get beat to okay so the same group one more surrogacy the same group. We the dumbest shit so so glad. I was raised with the internet. Oh yes. I didn't have to do any of this dumps. You know this. How entertained yeah. And then you listen to podcasts about stories like this so we had every thursday when the simpsons was brand new every thursday night. This this mexican restaurant would open at nine pm and it was all. You can drink margaritas and all you can eat tacos. And we're like this. Sounds like this is the thing for us. And there's a bartender there and everything but he was making virgin stuff for us but we love this place so one night we go there and it's shut down and for some reason we up someone. They heard that someone had shit in the taco meat. So they had to close it down urban legend bolshoi gone right and we are so sad so we decided to walk across this huge street to go get some food somewhere. It was a mcdonald's right so we started at this point. And i know it where they actually were shitting into the food. Yeah we knew it was shit patties on bond right. At least we knew what we were getting so we are crossing the street and a couple older kids on bullet bikes running. A red came around the corner and almost hit us. But and so we were like flipping them off. Fuck you you don't kind of stuff and then we walk into mcdonald's and they were pissed so they came into the mcdonald's behind us but they're trying to act cool like soon as these guys get out of here. We are going to destroy their faces with our boots. And and so. I look back and i noticed. These guys like us more cycle like what. That's the motorcycle guys. We look around and all the guys pretty cool guys right and then there's one like dumpy nerd with loved but there's always dump one you throw under the bus and this room there to watch out you guys so i was like we gotta do something so the blue said mana karate class. We just took was amazing. I was like. I'm gonna have my black belt before long and i like to imagine going back karate. That we just were in was good I'm a black belt good at kicking. It was absolutely that head over the shoulder of thing and then everyone else picks up on it. There's four of us in there. Like yeah like yeah. We're really kicking ass. We could take on anybody. Nasa the origin of a ninja turtles. So i kind of get a glance back and these guys who had pissed off looks on their faces. All of a sudden aren't so sure like should it's working you guys. You placed the seat of doubt and so kind of turning back towards them and and are talking shit a little bit and then a little bit more in a little bit more and they decide to go ahead and they're like a we're just gonna go so they start turning around like they're going to leave and i'm like oh my god and then the dumpy friend turns around he's like yeah we can kick their ass and god you fucking in one. Looks back at him and said what did you look at smiley. And he's like nothing and they left like guys we just. We just did like the most eighty shit ever see. I love work and kicked nervous. That you're like dumb ass friend was gonna turn what karate class skews me. Bitch john lewis. He held it together for a second. What are you looking at smiling. Nothing no. I have done some pretty stupid shit. I think he's the one that really stands out because we were old enough to know better We pilfered the garage for a combination of. I think there was a tennis racket. A piece of wood like a shovel handle or something. I don't know miss a miscellany of weapons. You could say and we went down down. The road was a school and we went down to an intersection next to the school. And there are some dumpsters right on the on that corner of that intersection. And we're like okay. This is going to be great. We're gonna pretend to beat the shit out of you. She wrote when a car comes. Car came and we would and pretend to push him into the road and then pretend to be lacking them. These fucking fits a rebar shovels and shit and most of the time like i think two or three cars just kept driving. Didn't even look didn't matter the the other time they went like this kid was an over actor. Because i don't think it was the same kitty sean that we're pretend to beat up but this kid is the biggest ham that i know and he just are perfect so one of them was to pretend to push him he goes down the road and then we start beating the shit out of him tennis racket and shit and her doing it and then this cargo and stops right next to us an do gets out of the car and this lady screams love. Doing this guy comes out. As i've want to focus on and we book it and with the lawyer the other two. I think just booked in another direction but we hid behind the dumpster. My favorite part is lawyers very tall standing and then yeah one of the kids stayed and it's just a joke. It's just a joke but that kid on the grant was like. Oh my god who your case. That was the day. We almost got the cops call. I love it. I've so many more stories but it's bullshit our about an hour for for another time for apple fund. That's not bad. 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The Neuroscience That Will Get Your Kids To Sleep Through The Night With Dr. Sofia Axelrod PhD

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The Neuroscience That Will Get Your Kids To Sleep Through The Night With Dr. Sofia Axelrod PhD

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Can I eat so interesting sleep training is one of the most requested topics we get from you guys, tons of emails about tons of messages and their moms are, and myself included who desperately craved more sleep. For our children so that we get more sleep ourselves. Dr Axelrod has kind of distilled literally a hundred years of sleep research into three simple steps that she's going to share with us to debt was even better as her new book is science back and is inspired by the latest Nobel. Prize winning research are you guys? Here's our conversation with Dr? Sophia Axel among. Hi I'm Sophia axelrod and I have two kids and I'm also asleep scientists and so when my first baby was born, I thought what can I do to sleep set scientists to help her sleep through the night and had a few tricks up my sleeve and she slept really well, and my son slept really well, and then I wrote a book about it and I. made an APP and where we find you where can we follow? You can find me on Instagram at Cool Alan and also at Sofia axelrod dot com and at Coolum dot com, or so excited to chat with you to chat and learn tons of learning I'm really excited about this. I, want to hear a little bit about your specialty in and your background, but I also I think that whether or not your children are currently sleeping while they're definitely are like sleep hygiene things you can do for kids that helped either create good habits and establish them or prolonged them or like wreck rectify ones that have slipped back because I have a child who used to sleep great, and now we've moved like a few times. So an now does not say. And it's just there's so many things that could contribute to children not sleeping. Well. So I WANNA make sure I can take off the list that I'm not doing any of these things oh yeah. Yeah. The details matter. A lot is talks a little bit about your about your background. Yeah. So I'm I'm a biologist by training and. I have peach tea in. Neuroscience and I now work at Rockefeller University here on Manhattan. With, someone who won the Nobel Prize for Discovering Circadian Rhythms Circadian Rhythms. Is kind of our inner body clock that helps us understand when his thing time when his nighttime, when should be we'd be sleeping when should we be awake but also a lot of other things that we don't normally think about bowel movements, alertness mood all these things are happening on a circadian. And my mentor discovered the genes in our body that regulate that and so when I was pregnant with my first baby, just like you pretty much seven months. Yeah. I was handling why we actually work with mice, but we also with route flies because you know couple Lucien and you might as well study food flies when you want to understand something about humans ultimately, that's that's what we believe as scientists and was handling my fruit flies into because we didn't make them up because we studied their sleep in. We used Rhett flashlights to not wake them up because we know from circadian biology that every light except red light wakes us up wakes the fruit flies wakes everybody up. And that's what's special about light. We think that's because at sunset in the evening, the proportion of blue light diminishes, and so we have adapted to the signal that you know red light means. Sleep. In the sense that blue light activates special receptors in our is in that tells our body it's time to get up. It's time to be awake sleep hormone down alert list alert this whole hormones up, and there's just nothing you can do about that. But if you read like you're safe. So I was standing there with my wreck flashlight and I thought. What could I do to help my kids leave because I'm a lifelong SOM- Yak and? You know a light bulb pardon the pun up in head and I thought I need an red light any red light bulbs to help my baby sleep. So I bought a bunch of red light bulbs installed them in the nursery night wasn't a on nesting phase. Making everything perfect and when she was born, it just work in works because it's out biology. and. It's just really powerful in this red light in the stark contrast between day and night really trains call it entertainment intrigue their body clock to these differences and there's other things. But this was kind of the most unusual thing because people sometimes think blue light a soothing. No Blue Light is very activating and blue lights happens to be what what's from our phones right like our phones, our computers all. Right so In bed watching that flakes or whatever. It's probably having to sleep that's I mean that's just simple like easy. A sort of change to make but I mean, it's such an obvious like scientific basis where which is so cool. What obviously I think I mean for whatever reason we ended up talking about sleep training, sleep issues, sleep sleep all the time on the show because I think a lot of us kids I'm assuming most our on the. US. Do, not sleep I. Know You did your training Germany maybe it's the same. He's like the world over children are not sleeping as well as their parents would like and I'm curious why you think that is happening and if there's sunlight Janik things without going into too specific of our own children just yet generic things that parents are doing that are set in their kids up to not sleep well I I don't think people used to talk so. Much about it and people I, mean, there's multiple things right I. Think we're just expect a sucking it up as MOMS, and that's the main reason for me why I'm like I felt so angry to do something I didn't want to suck it up already don't sleep well, and you know sleep deprivation causes all kinds of health leading postpartum depression and nobody's talking about that connection is like Oh. Yeah. Baby Booze this like weird thing postpartum depression. Yeah. It's because you're not sleeping. Right. We're just supposed to like whether to storm in like you know the pediatrician tells will get better or whatever other moms tell y'all get better. Yeah. While you're suffering, you're suffering potentially for a long time. Right? Your kids are you know not even babies anymore and you're still it's still a struggle as so now I think moms are more power to kind of talk about it and know maybe not just accept their fate. And that's one reason hearing more about kids not sleeping. The other thing is I think that. In a good way, we're really trying to focus on what is good for your kids right and and it's so important to us. Now is a generation that our children get the optimal child development everything we could imagine to make them. Happy Healthy. People and that's very important. But there's a clash with certain things that we need to do to help them sleep through the night and you know that's where it is really contentious things come in like. Co. Sleeping. Imposing. Any kind of schedule on children a Lotta people completely don't want that. So you know it's kind of it's kind of emotions run really I anyway about parenting and then when you become a bomb, your whole brain is united altered states in. So cheap is drug. have a try. I know yeah. It's just like this hormonal cocktail in your you're you're completely wired to protect this that you just created an you don't WanNa. Hear about sleep train. You don't hear about anything that could potentially. 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It's important actually to really stick to the Times very strictly because our circadian clock gets not just in trained by light, but also light, very specific time. So you know nobody wants to hear that but varying bad bed and wake times is not good. It's not good for us. It's it's even worse for baby because the baby doesn't have them yet in it's our. Job To kind of tell them with what we're doing in with the light that this daytime nighttime. So try to create a really stark contrast between day and night that's number one. Then in a newborn, you obviously can't PM opposes schedule. It shouldn't on the you know we're we're taught to feed on demand if we're nursing our bottom feeding same thing but some moms they fall into this trap where you turn into a human pacifier if you nursing, you're just like constantly nursing babies constantly snacking. In, the nobody ever sleeps and that's not good either and what has been shown to be better is you know babies baby eats and then sleeps two hours, and then you can feed game. So having the two hour periods you know that seems like not a lot or a lot depending on what you're used to. But that gives you a little bit of time also to have a nap, you know if you're constantly nursing Crazy. So that's the second thing and then when they're about a month weeks, that's when you can start seeing. You know that's when nighttime sleep starts getting a little bit consolidated daytime naps are more different from nighttime sleep in and around to two months I would say. I don't know like where you are on that spectrum but you know if that's possible around two months would victim from your bedroom I would put them in their own nursery. And the reason is that research shows that it night when you delay responding to babies Brian just little bit I'm not talking about like, let it cry out or anything like that. Just a minute and a half teaches them self soothing teaches them that Oh, I'm crying. I. Help help help. It's not the end of the world maybe I can fall asleep by my staff. And this is a really. Powerful thing and just introducing with little distance easier to have that little delay in responding to them. So that's that's another thing I. would do around around two months. When was parents feel okay with not having the baby right right next to them. Some are ready earlier many or not ready but you know that's what works for many people and then I would really start watching those nap and that's something that is maybe the biggest confusion in the parenting community where people think. You need to sleep a lot during the day to be able to sleep at night but that doesn't really make sense like if I could shoot down for a three hour nap or you you're not gonNA be as tired I mean. Okay. Maybe right now you will be you're sleep deprived but. In general you know daytime sleep will affect nighttime sleep in the reason is that we have a Total. Sleep need that is twenty four in twenty, four hours in that is daytime sleep plus nighttime sleep. You can literally just do the math. You know if you need a sleep when you sleep three thousand during the day, you only five hours at night in the same is true for babies. The confusing thing is that, of course, they need a lot more sleep and it's not obvious how much they need at a certain age. And that's where he did all the research. You know I looked exactly at how much baby sleep at every age to tell you. Whatever one year they shouldn't sleep more than two hours during the day to sleep ten hours at night, and if your baby naps for hours during the are not going to be able to sleep for or ten hours at night and Ashiya's assign you know if your baby or your child shows you that don't WanNa sleep this thought resisting naps. That just means that they're see pressure has been has been naturally as naturally gone down they don't need as much sleep and you shouldn't fight it in order to get that nighttime sleep back in order to get bedtime back. So for for the one was leaks between one and two hours, I would say, well, then just like stick to maybe an hour and a half and to one hour soon, don't just wake them. And that will help you because they will be more tired at night. It's it's very simple in research shows up. In denied, it's the same thing for some reason people think that. Babies down at seven PM in expecting them to sleep for twelve hours I mean that works in a certain phase of their lives but. It at other ages a dozen in what has to understand that you know babies only have a certain amount of total sleeve, and if there are any nap two hours through the maybe only ten hours are left in that means pushing the bedtime later if you don't want to get up at five thirty. That should help as well. So for those ages. Just, forget about even trying to put them down at seven pm just stick with the nine PM bedtime you're gonNA, limit all the struggles because they will be tired enough and just you know pass out pretty well. But what do you think about in terms of creating a routine? So the one thing that I hear a lot of MOMS on here talk about indefinitely I struggle with is well, what is that routine? Is it? You know when we're gonNA BATH TIME RUSTY PAJAMAS WE'RE GONNA play a little bit restored and then you guys are going to go to bed. Or is it I sit with you and hold your hands for the whole time or hugging you while you go to bed or is it something something else? Daphne you talked about having listened to stories sometimes, which I've I, need to get that information again because I can't remember the night of stories. It's a changer it is I. Did that too. I think that one thing that's true to alarm you like since I've known you. Sleep Max five hours. Parts like parents. You're not. I would like to as you know. And I think that we give our shutting onto our chance way to I desperately if I could sleep ten hours a night twelve hours, I could easily do that. John is the lightest worst that he like Max five hours five and a half hours but I also, my brain won't stop I oftentimes especially as a kid had to have like a story, I'd already heard playing in the background too low myself to sleep, and so absolutely we are we are our own best instruments for gauging what's absolutely Thank you. That's important information. There is obviously distribution of sleep in the population in some people need ten hours I need eight hours in. If you only need array, don't sleep a lot. Sleep has a super strong genetic component. There's people like me just study. Families because there is. The also the same amount. So that's if you are all on the lower end than it. Is Important to keep that in mind you know then. You're putting them down at seven PM and they're on the lower end for a two year old only on BBC even hours and then they're up two or three or four or five am. MIAMI smaller one actually also on the lower end, and it's so frustrating because I want him to go to bed early. So I can use signing, but it's just doesn't work. It just doesn't work, and then you know once you kind of accept that bouquet spent times right now pandemic everything is a bit shifted. He's going to bed at ten PM in wakes up at seven. That's not great. 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Family farmers have worked for generations to provide available at most major supermarket chains. You said that you're not a good sleeper are you weren't a good sleeper? Talk a little bit about that, and then with your with what you've learned, have you have you incorporated different tricks to encourage more sleep because I don't know if I'm somebody who just doesn't require a lot of sleep or I just don't get a lot of sleep because I'm I'm I just have so much on my plate and I'm just that kind of person that I. Catholic just get up and do things, and maybe I'm not I, think I don't get enough sleep for myself. And I should probably feel better if I slept more. So for you who who have said that you agree sleeping you had you didn't get enough sleep or don't get enough sleep now are there certain things that you do for yourself? Yeah. So first of all, it's very hard to know is kind a mystery. How much sleep do you actually need right in? It's hard to understand that the reason that it's hard to understand it also scientifically that we actually don't know why we sleep. That's why we don't have any any measures. Any markers sleep is still this really elusive thing. That's why I study. I actually studied in the lab. Trying to understand why we sleep, what is the basic function of Eight on a on a physiological level, but behaviorally, the best measure to understand how much sleep you need is simply how you feel the next day. So if you whatever how much you sleep if you? All the time just feel super tired in wiped out and super sleepy during the day. That's just that you didn't get. You're not getting enough sleep and easiest way to figure out how much you need is simply play around with the duration of sleep. So if I get anywhere less than. Seven hours I've I. Don't feel well, and I just feel almost achey somehow. Ange for other people that might be more for other people that might be less and it can be as little as four hours at frontiers leaves for hours at night you know happy as a happy as a clam. So I would play around with that. But if you constantly feel tired during the day than that suggests that you're not getting enough sleep for me, I used to be a really bad sleep or not in the sense that I didn't get enough sleep in the sense that I had a hard time falling asleep and staying asleep I'm a worrier I'm a little neurotic I'm just like a lay in bed and my eyes are open and worrying about everything. And and you know I had also really erotic schedules as a student I would stay up to like five am, and then like sleeping and it was just a total mess and then when I started working in this lab, I understood all these things that explained to you regularity all this boring stuff you have to do everything the exact same time every day you know the light aspect, all that stuff in ethics, my own sleep in that sense you know by by living the breaking boring life. No more students nothing you know nothing anymore I just get up everyday at the same time weekend or not, and I go to bed at the same time and I'm really tired because my circadian rhythm is now so strong that you know come eleven pm. I just fall asleep and that's what you want registered like be sleepy fall asleep, and then I had kids used all that same stuff in applied to the kids. Skip onto my mom. 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They'll never forget just look at the services tab of the Walmart APP, and that's where you can find camp. So talk to us a little bit about that. The the sleep method that you came up with you actually you have a whole APP it hey Hula Kula Colombians would collapse sounds really cute in it's also sleep in Swahili. Oh yes. Oh. I don't know I just thought it's an unusual word and I wanted I, wanted something like that for my Alec it is very soothing. It's Onomatopoeia where like sounds like what it is or whatever, but it's very it. Definitely, you know seems very soothing and There are three main steps I guess in your in your sleep method. Will you just you just break that down for us? quickly. Yes. So the first step is the light and talked about that. So exclude any light except red light from your baby's room and get blackout sheets for how long before bedtime I would say half an hour. So we talked we actually didn't talk about the bedtime routine I would like use it for the portion of the bedtime routine that is in the baby's room. So for example. If your nursing or reading a book or feeding the baby, I would do all that with the red light already. Okay. Okay. So maybe half an hour and then at night if you have to change diapers if you have to feed the baby, only red light in the morning, if the baby or your toddler wakes up before the time you WanNa be getting up he dark you. Can play with them if it if you have to in there in the room only with red light because that morning, what if you open the shades and you're just like I'm going to start the day it's only six. Am that is a one off. That will instruct their body that this is the new wakeup time. So you know this is the first step the second step. Is the correct schedule and the naps, and that's where, for example, my APP can help you with. It's literally everything I just explained to you all the information from my book. I put it into this APP, and it just creates these customize schedules for your children. Again, this is the average. So we talked about your kids can be on the lower end on the higher end but if especially the naps are too long and you have trouble with bedtime with bedtime or nighttime sleeping, adjusted according to the APP, and it should help and then lastly. I call a gentle sleep training I'm thinking I shouldn't have used the word sleep training at all because that's such a trigger for many moms. And our he told you while at the one and a half minute delay that's just such a tiny bit of time and even a minute and a half is really hard when your baby is screaming their head off. I. Know That was sitting myself at the edge of my bed with my watch and like you know waiting for two seconds to pass. It feels like somebody's stabbing you when your children are crying I'm sure you know that. So that's why I find it hard to sleep training the real sleep training crying out not of the baby research actually shows doesn't affect the big because of the parents. We, we can deal with that. So that's the third step. Wait a minute and a half before soothing that teaches them. Self soothing and has been shown scientifically to lead to babies. That's the sooner. So that's it. So interesting as Because I think it's also the even one and a half minutes. What that also gives you is enough of a breath where it doesn't feel panicked like I think sometimes you are initial instinct is to ration your your child falls you rush in your there's anything happens you rush in and if they weren't already scared or alike frazzled or whatever now, they really are because you seem so out of sorts and crazed. And I think that minute has painful as it is when you're sitting through, it is actually like enough time where you go in and you're not you're not the panicked response you're you are always present. You're always there to protect them, but it's not this like I. Don't you know. has saved. Me helped me something's wrong such you. I WANNA ask one one personal question on that. I have and I wonder if I'm sure their parents out there listening, you have this to my my two year old who has had periods of her life where she slept really well including when she was a baby now, her favorite thing to do is Go into her room at like eight o'clock at night fall asleep by nine. Sleep until. Two and then be awake from two to five playing talking singing. She has you know like we've done everything. We put things in her room to play with you taken everything out of her room to play with like it's blackout shades they're. Going six sound machines going no no, she doesn't know like if you if I go in there with her, she's like nine Hami pulls her. Pretend she's going back to bed and not the craziest thing is. Because she was climbing excuse is my most like you know monkey childlike climbing all over everything out of in and out of her crib. So he killed the crib now she's cute little toddler. There's also a king bed in her room. you'll puts herself to bed in the king bed sometimes edge it is the craziest thing that drives me bananas because the poor thing. is so fry them when I have to wake her up, literally go in the room and Shaker and her up eight am because she's been partying from to five so. So I, don't even know why it's happening I. Don't know what to do about it. She's so happy a obviously if she was crying or anything I go in but she's so happy just like talking and doing your thing I I'd written it off because I was told over a variety of different parenting experts interesting things that as kids get into new developmental stages, it's very exciting for them to learn how to talk. It's very exciting for them to learn how to walk and crawl and all these things. So when they hit these new miles, don't they oftentimes disrupt their own sleep patterns because they're just like pumped to get up and do this thing that they learn how to do but I mean. It's it's been a long time of her having her weekly nightly Rangers S. I don't know what to do. So. I have one question for you and you already told me chase it as really good would have got the NAP. So this was exactly my thinking was because she'd been taking these long legs es dot three hour long naps in the afternoon. So I took that out entirely a month ago hoping that I knew there was an adjustment period new there be a period of time where she was so tired and cranky and Madame, it would make her sleeping worse and then eventually I had hoped that she would cross over and it would be so exhausting that you would actually go to bed on time but now we've totally Phased out the KNOBS and she has completely full days and even like she's wiped at six pm used I could not put her down until nine o'clock at night. Now, she is absolutely comatose by sex. We insists on going to bed early and then we'll still wake up in the middle of the night. So known abbot anymore no nap at all and she's like two and a half. Two and a half. And That was easy to destroy the Napa she was resisting at anyway. She was she was again awake for a long time before she went to sleep. When we put put her down for her house, she would stay in play and talk and hang out and then eventually fall asleep and stay asleep till five o'clock in the afternoon. So. There's two ways to do this either. So six am six. PM Too early bedtime. That's why she she goes to bed two and a half. They don't sleep more than like eleven hours at say so you know if you WANNA be getting up I don't know it's safe aid, right? So the nine is is a good bedtime. So six is just too early for that but you can't if you can't stay up than all day than maybe reintroduce the NAP on. Some problems but really make sure it's not too late and it's not longer for sure than like an hour can even be just forty five minutes and he added it's like hard for them can be really cranky. So. Some. Plan in mind to distract them when you wake up in their cranky, you know you can be anything. Food is always a good thing. Toy. With babies boob is. Great. Not Not doesn't the PGA not in this? Ban. So. Yeah. So yeah, that's it's a hard age because his transition age because around three dropped their naps and so she's not quite ready to stay up till till nine pm right but you don't want her to be awake for hours at night. So those are two things it has to be later and if she can. Would introduce a short map I will try but it's amazing. She doesn't and it's also true a little bit. You know there's always these things that people think are really important for their sleeve while in this case it I have to. Agree when you transition them especially to toddler bad. They suddenly have this Freedom, Oh my God I can get out of bed and like it's the most amazing thing our. So that takes a while to to settle down but with these sleep things that will reduce the. Use the desire to do that. 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So if you pan put a good sleeper, bad sleeper together, that's better I would. I would not. Too Bad sleepers in the same room because they will they just wake up. So, if you can't, if you can't change that, then a white noise machine can be did ask. For How Louis des Six. Time. I'm not telling you anything new here. Yeah. That's crucial because it just drowns out all this noise right? I mean here in Manhattan, we have other issues like you know high movie and whatnot, but kids are also just just loud and annoying. So white noise for sure crank that up. If you can. I mean I would I would I would I would take I, would separate the bad sleepers good sleep are bad sleepers great. 'cause the the vast leaper doesn't bother to Gresley. But but too bad sleepers. It's hard. It's just really hard and if the white noise is not enough to drown out there like whatever south or actually start Lake A. Touching each other or something like that. What about what action I think that I am one of those mothers and I know many of those mothers that I slept with my kids for the first year of their lives were breastfed them on demand and I was definitely there pacifier and it wasn't anything that I ended up I plan on doing it was just I was just so tired and if you stationary light sleep burns says my husband and so felt safe If I was a heavy sleeper that moved around a lot of my husband was than we would not choose that but I think that I'm definitely not setting them up right from the beginning. and I think the the fact of having so many children. So close together it's just like survivor urine survival mode. I. and. My determination to to be somebody that unlike I will do head and then they. Get to be a little bit older and they want to they still want that connection with you. You're like now you go in your room and you go to leave and like wait a second what happens to the BOOB and the coast the. Really There was such great. What's wrong with having such a good time to go on their? Zone I mean I definitely I think that one of the things that mother's struggle with is is that crying is the APP sadness you know when I. If if I decide that it's going to be a nightmare. I. Am going to leave the room and I'm not going to tough it out which means that they're going to end up falling asleep really late 'cause they're having this really tough of me being in the room. But if I leave the room, then they'll go to sleep. They'll scream for a little bit. Then they go to sleep but just to hear mommy left me mommy less man you just Talk about mom guilt designed like an Mike Ryan the other room. But I, mean, what? In terms of connection to? Self teaching them self soothe connection to another human being whether that's mommy or daddy or two mommies to daddies or or or nanny or whatever it is but connection or to each other you know the fact that my kids all sheriff room, can they get the connection to each other How do you teach your child to feel safe at night and not be there holding onto them? Yeah. It's it's tough. I mean, you know with my daughter was also much better bad. Never ever being in the room when she fell asleep and now with my son, he is like much more clingy somehow in also just like really cute and I just have a hard time like being. The strictly scientists with him. So I often stay in the room with him when he falls asleep however that just like five minutes because I, kind of calibrated the naps in the sleep time in the bedtime so that it just five minutes is just hours like before. So I kind of like, okay. But you know this kind of feeling of mom mom guild in this feeling of breaking that connection betraying your children are abandoning chillier warning that they feel abandoned. That's really biological and I have a chapter about that in my book because I wanted to understand what? where it's coming from if you if you talk about sleep with anybody who's not a parent, they're like, yeah. Why don't you just like put them in their room they will sleep is not a problem. Well, that's not how we think and it's really because of the altered state that our brains are in. It's not in this semi permanent and it's not just a few hormones. There's neuronal connection that have membrane Israel it's absolutely real. You're spot on I. Have I think the chapters in my book is called. Using. Mom Using Mom Brain and dad braid actually because even data have changed. Their testosterone goes down in there. Serotonin goes up they become these like nesting cuddly bears you know isn't that crazy? Cool. Yeah. In for us, though it's like really the auditory CORTEX, which is part of our brain that processes hearing. That's on high alert since we have children and actually attuned to our babies cry right. So it's not just like a little bit more noise sensitive. No, it's specifically more sensitive to our babies crying, which is important for survival, but it really is makes it makes all this whole thing with crying. Almost unbear- physically unbearable. That's what really people don't don't understand. You know it's not just like Oh. Yeah it's annoying it's annoying it's almost physically almost incapable of not like a robot like a-. Mom Bod right walking to our children child in helping them. But I believe understanding that we're not actually harming them on. The baby doesn't care at you see that with a little bit older children how quickly they can turn off the crying, right? Anything was actually wrong than just going there and picking them up with not immediately. Stop crying or with my toddler her tantrum was actually an expression of of you know some kind of deep seated abandonment issue than you would immediately stop crying even start laughing the second giver Lollipop So. It's not it's not they're they're going to be fine I. Think it's important for us to be fine as well and with the sleep training what helps for example, if that's available is a partner waiting for even a minute and a half if you have to do that. For a couple of hours at night is very hard with the crying baby and that's where I, for example, used my my husband and these the very well at night but. I may get up go go in I can't go and especially with young kids you know when when you're nursing, they're also expect the BOOB and has been doesn't have a boob. So baby knows that too and they will accept that soothing from your partner. So you know tack teaming is very powerful ended in all stages of all that like you said actually the they accept they accept your Osborne and then they can go to bed. Yes. No, no I mean it's it's I'm like I work so hard and then you go in your like go to sleep and they're like okay. Whereas I go in there and they're like, oh, now we're going to have fun and we're GONNA. I mean it's it's definitely I. Mean I do think that a lot of it. That's what one of my favorite things about this interview is is how you spoke from from birth because I think a lot of the situation that I've gotten myself into has been from birth right on because yeah there's there was like another aspect to this the reason it's so easy to to get. The younger two children, the easier it is to get them to easy could sleep is because of they just don't they don't have any memories like you described right once they're even six, seven, eight, nine months day remember all the good stop right there. Remember Mommy's here. Mommy is my like. My little goodnight crush and and you know the Boob is just awesome and why would I not know and then you stop it and they're like no guest, right? and. And the other thing is it's not working if you just don't do it every night if you just do it a one off, that doesn't work and part of it is also the circadian rhythm because we really have to do things day over day over day to create this this new habit and to instruct the body that that's how it's going to be. Now, if you just do like, okay, I'm not going to do tonight tonight you're sleeping over there and I'm not going to come and then tomorrow do you break down? Then, they just learned that they need to cry a little harder and they just need to ask a little more. Again right. So Consistency. Yellow and unfortunately, kids told me to get it that there will be some nights I'm like. All right. Then you go in there when we're going to figure this and then like and it's always the baby that falls asleep blade just like actually invite you over to my house for bedtime can do it together. You can hold my hand. Let's. I. Want I mean I've never I never ever ever do this but I of want your favorite thing to be what is this red light and where can we get it? So. Funny. You would ask because I actually started a company to develop you know lighting technologies that are safe for children and also for adults because there is a long things that can help you feel better with this kind of stuff. So we're developing a light just like that and it's going to be awesome and made of wood and beautiful images like these. You know these ugly plastic, the plastic thing as as you and it hopefully, it will be yeah. What's IT GONNA be called from Kerala also? Raise it. We're going to have to keep keep focus on. Thank you so very much. Thank Learn Barium earns a lot I. Hope European sleep better me to. Thank you. Thank you so much. All right. Guys will see if the the but we need to have if it's just some red light bulbs in ancient throw into their room and all of a sudden they're going to be like, Okay Mommy I will go to sleep right now so you guys can tell that I am going to be the first one ordering her product because. I mean, maybe this red light sciences maybe maybe something to a Daphne, wouldn't it be so cool like wouldn't it be so great if if that actually does make. Me That's the one variable you haven't controlled for yet, and it's GonNa make all the difference I'm really excited about I'm curious by like slide necas room with rap site. If it's GONNA, keep her to sleep. But I'm also going to try the tip of you know maybe reintroducing a one hour nap is always told never wake a sleeping baby. Doctor axelrod's take is very much like wait does leaving maybe to help them get the longer term better sleep results but you have have food ready when they wake up which proves she really knows my family very well love and I'm excited for her I'm really excited for her I always love Com- I mean we've had a couple people on the show recently who've really felt like they've taken the kind of. Unique struggles of their parenting and made cool businesses around them and I think this cool. Allah the lamp that she's coming out with sounds really cool and how nice to have something not plastic to put in the nursery. That actually is maybe like a beautiful kind of aesthetic peas interior design piece that also happens to make for much better sleep hygiene what I'm learning from all these conversations and from adopting vehicle. Manchego. Ten month old puppy, which has been a really great experience for me in my parenting like I've been able to practice parenting because I have my dogs before I had kids. So I just gave them on a treat them like children. Then this dog I'd like really been focused on training and I've been very focused on his sleep training much more than many my children and if you stick to it, they do learn. Now we'll see if I can apply that to my human baby because with a dog right now I'm so great. I'm so tough in an like a very like motherly like I love you and you are going to bed right now in your crate and I got nice and dark for him and he's got like little bone his little towel. Curls up in there and he loves it. He loves it. So hopefully, may I be as good of a mommy to this baby as an to the? I. Love It, and you know what? That's I mean that's the that's the core of this is like the research is and we know this is parents the better our kids sleep the moral rested. They are the more acclimated. They are the better they are to take on stress and everything else in their life. So Here's two more sleep for Diego Montego and for all of our children. And for us. And now it's time for our favorite things. Nest half favorite sayings. This week I'm going to highlight something I know that straws have become something of a hot button item for people. I know that we try to avoid using. Plastic that has to be thrown away right away. But paper that disintegrate into my mouth, drive me absolutely bananas and most of all when I have smoothies, which is pretty much the only thing that I use a straw four the it's too small. It's too narrow to try to get it through like one of those papers stress. So I found these extra extra should be my grandmother found an Nice Dole and then had. To rebuy for her extra wide reusable smoothies straws they're made for like bubble tea and Boba and things like that. They're real like you probably like a dime sized diameter but they are the perfect size. Smooth is you literally just washed them with this little like bottle cleaner essentially you know the thing that comes to the bottle that like a little tiny tube sponge thing and then you can use them over and over. and. So you don't need to worry about the the disposable quality, but it's such a for me. It's one of those things where like my kids love them, they want them with juice and for me with my smoothies I love him. So that's my favorite thing this week because it's made my summertime smoothies so much more enjoyable My favorite thing today is Palmer's cocoa butter man I know that it's not you know I'm not telling you guys probably something they haven't heard from others and your grandmothers and stuff like that. But I am a fiend, it moisturizing fiend and especially when I'm pregnant and I've I've I've shared with you guys some of my favorite pregnancy. Lotions and creams and stuff like that and oil's. But I have to say one of them that I've really used religiously and when the you know all the ladies in my family always used as Palmer's cocoa butter and I just ordered some more. So came thousands run out and you know what it just works. I love the price point I love it it's easy to find and my kids think I smelt like chocolate and it's really great and so far so far not a stretch marks. I love the and I love I have to say that the smell of booklets calmer takes the right back to high school it was like. All my friends and I used all of this so. Chocolate thanks for listening. Guys don't forget to rate reviews, subscribe tell your friends leave his five star review. It helps us open much and follow US everywhere at mom brain and an email us. Right. Definitely US bring potted jimoh Dot com I will have you guys was talk to you next week. Bye Guys. This is membrane with Alario, Baldwin and Jaffna's. Mom. Brain Gallery media. Group. 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