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Pablo had been listening to the weather report.

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04:35 min | 2 d ago

Pablo had been listening to the weather report.

"Pablo had been listening to the radio app on his phone for the weather. Update before his shower as he grabbed his towel he heard the announcement of a mejia storm. That was making its way across. The north east. Didn't part of the country. This fierce storm had threatened to knock out power to thousands of people. Accidents were now expected up and down the east coast. The local news rita said many areas could have as much as three to five eight or more than well over a meter of snow on the ground. This would be an excellent way to organize his photos on his phone old ipad as well as his computer public sort thinking about the weathe- pablo knew it would be a challenge for many people inside the apartments. He wanted how. Maria was fearing a young woman on the third floor with three children who did not appear to have anyone else often to help her pablo knew she was sometime. Struggling as he hid seen sylvia delivering small parcels of food and soup to her door several times pablo had also collected a food parcel for maria once when she had to take one of the children to the doctor the trip involved taking all of them as she did not have anyone to help her with the little ones. I know pablo thought. I could make a pizza slice for himself and then give one to maria telling her he had made two pizzas pablo loved making pizzas and headed cheap frozen pizza in the freezer with cheese and pepperoni on it. He can you. Maria did not eat meat but the little ones did as he had seen. Maria giving the children hot downs so he decided to make the pizza with one half pepperoni only. He would make them well before dinnertime. Then send maria take st- saying he would drop off an extra pizza. He had made that. Putt blow excitedly pulled deck frozen pizza out of the freezer.

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Ep. 28 - O conservadorismo e a direita no Brasil

Papo no Auge!

08:09 min | Last month

Ep. 28 - O conservadorismo e a direita no Brasil

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Monocle on Design Extra: The Antwerp Six

Monocle 24: Section D

07:27 min | 1 year ago

Monocle on Design Extra: The Antwerp Six

"And a very warm welcome to Monaco on design extra hits that Natalie named sisters sister show brought to you by the team behind Monaco twenty four dedicated weekly design program. I'm Josh Bennett each week. We devote a few minutes to an aspect of designed Zayn. We think deserves just a little bit more scrutiny and this week we're treating us for a preview for my upcoming city guide to Brussels and Antwerp published by Shelton in the late one thousand nine hundred eighty s a group of young fashion graduates piled into a van with collections and drove to London where they took the British designers show by storm in doing they put Belgium on the fashion map and sealed Antwerp's fate as a capital of the discipline not to mention a collective name that sounds more comic book than could sure his the story of the Antwerp six written by L. Columbus and taken from my forthcoming guide to the city and I remember buying my first piece of designer clothing. I had just twenty five. I'm wanted to celebrate with a new outfit. So I went to mobilize the fashion. Palace drew's vons beautiful shop antelope a few months earlier. I had seen him present to summer. Two thousand nine ready to wear women's collection at the Palais Royale Paris and I was blown away. Fashion shows can be more carnival than catwalk but he was a designer making you could actually wear I bought a blue and orange silk top matching zuck trousers that faded from Bright Indigo to navy blue over the following few months. I will them exactly as they appeared on the catwalk. The top nonchalantly tucked into the waistband. I could never imagine that more than ten years later. I'd still be wearing them. I didn't know Oh back them. What I know now the shapes and cut sprouting from finance creative mind a cleverly crafted and always flatter without ever going out of style and and more importantly that no other designer understands color as well as him. My blue trousers have become more bewitching the is the perfect antidote to the gray Belgium weathe- aw the refusal to follow mainstream trends and whims is a characteristic that unites a number of Belgian designers instead of experimenting with extreme caught so bold volumes still the norman contemporary fashion many devote their career to a single vision season after season as of writing chapter after chapter of the same book and Mr for example spent years experimenting with the countless possibilities of black calling it the most poetic color take Belgium fashion is a relatively recent thing it all began in one thousand nine hundred six when a small group of graduates from Antwerp's Royal Academy of Fine Arts Squeeze themselves in the collections into the back of a van and drove to London to attend the British designers show he they were offered a stand on the top floor between the bridal gowns when no buys is ventured because all the bigger designers was showing the first floor that is until someone from Barney's in New York pass by a Sioux Nami of bias agents. I'm press followed. Elliot and the Belgian designers returned home with multiple orders from London. They went to Paris where they had their own fashion shows and gradually they put Belgium at the center of the fashion world. Take the names Threes Fund Norton and Moon Master of Umberto Dunk Derek van Santa Marina and Derek combat the English press had difficulties pronouncing those long Flemish names. I'm promptly labeled the Antwerp sex people still refer to the Antwerp six as an untouchable group will ever be able to match which of course isn't the case case abroad the media elected slips of the story of the sex portraying them as a group of steadfast friends but in Belgian that designers did everything possible to Martha individuality in their own unique ways. They've continuously tried to the Belgian fashion on the likes of Christian Vents Steffen Schneider Chris von Asa Haida Ackerman endemnic Vassilia have followed all of the above our alumni from the fashion department of Antwerp's Brawl Academy of Fine Fine Arts one of the most dynamic renowned fashion schools in the world attracting students from more than forty different nationalities from baron dunk is now head of the fashion department and and watchdog of the academy's Experimental Ethos. No one can deny that the six together with the city's flourishing fashion school have made Antwerp a more exciting place of the post cost that yes a walk along streets such as drought or steen who has fast and you'll find my Momma Antwerp's fashion museum next to the high end vintage shops and various stores pursuing an avant-garde profile. It's vibrant fashion. Scene was one of the reasons I moved to Antwerp. I love the fact that many Belgian designers continue to live and work in the city instead of moving to parallel fashion universes such as London Paris or Tokyo I once had the pleasure of strolling through Antwerp's tiny botanical garden with Annan who told me about his love of ugly flowers ever since I've enjoyed imagining him escaping his busy student Alan Jara from time to time and riding his bike to see what's in bloom The seismic shifts the fashion industry has undergone in recent years have naturally influenced Belgians fashion scene but the collections that are designers put out remain an expert to be proud of so when planning your trip to Antwerp tried to visit during the first week of May or November when the designer Zeina stock sales take place. It's a great opportunity to add some of that Naughton blue or Damola Mr Black to your water toboggan price and a souvenir that will give you great great pleasure fiesta come many and varied thanks to alcohol use for that story which was voiced by very unpaid rentals. Thanks page for insights on some of the diamonds in the rough to discover in Antwerp and beyond only Belgian capital of Brussels to account for upcoming guide available in all self respecting expecting bookshops from the twenty second of October for more design mind to delight listen to our main show on design which as at eight PM London time each and every Thursday without fail or pick up a copy of monocle magazine. This show is produced and edited by mainly Evans. I'm Josh Thank you very much for listening. I go bye.

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2. How to make your dream happen

Someday Arrival

13:11 min | 1 year ago

2. How to make your dream happen

"Okay so you know you're headed in your dream is someday you know that destination is allowed to see yourself arriva. But how do you get this. Is Darren born and this is the someday Arriva podcast So we were talking a little bit in the last podcast about finding your dream discovering your dream identifying and narrowing down. What is it exactly you want to achieve in life What you WANNA do the impacts? You WanNa have Fear Self and for others and this podcast podcast is more about high yet. There really is a willing good. Everyone's GonNa Dream every life and even if you know what it. Is he still to get there. This podcast is about finding your way to that Jayme destination and we're GONNA use one example from my own life and show you how you can use a few tips and tools and see Chris and apply. That's your own dream to Iran unplanned. Say the US is actually a musical university. I wrote and staged a musical but I couldn't do a man as with all the good Wailing Wall. I'm never going to be a means Cologne on my arm so there are a few things today. The first ended today was was. I need to navigate to the end goal. The end goal was to stage a musical for my friends and for my colleagues and from my lectures That's my destination. So imagine if I was on a journey I'd get my map how to them. Plot a course to navigate to the end destination and and there's some things as unaided along the way first of all. I needed some inputs inputs. When you're making a plan a simply the things you are going to need to get it So in this case are needed people. I need hit instruments. I needed a venue. I needed Some skills I didn't have I need some some other people with skills. That didn't have any costumes. I needed. sheet music In the case the musical I didn't write music. Music Court records. So you need. Some help transcribe that said just right list of everything. You're going to need to arrive at that someday and achieve that dream mm-hmm It's not just going to money. He's GonNa be a whole range of resources. The next thing you you think about your outputs outputs very simply have user input puts A. He used what you need And what are you going to do with those inputs. What are you GonNa do those things so I knew the venue needs to be? Open a sentence. Hi mm-hmm KS and need to get permission to try and get it for free. ORCH very cheaply. I wanted to make sure they were hustles for the band band that there was dress rehearsals for the activists I needed to get my scripts out this so you then think about what you've got an in how you're gonNA use it. The next in a plan comes outcomes or is it you want to achieve so the outcome of me were oviously wanted everyone to have a really fantastic. I tell him they were coming in those performing. I wanted to be able to indicate some degree submitted so I need you to be able to write about it and so that was a really important porn outcome so they may have one big dream. Break it down to what would that look like. What does it look like when achieve my dream is a long term payoff life or achievement or benefit? I had someone come up to me today. A friend of mine and he introduced me as own birthday party. He should use me at. Hi this is down. When is it unit? He cost me a musical. So the the long term impact of that for me. It was really fun project but you know twenty years later. Someone still remembers how that made them feel and that was an impact so the first credit I tip to plotting your cost to get into your destination is is to make a proper plan to navigate and for that indeed inputs outputs think about outcomes breaking down that go at think about the long term impact the case. Next if you're going on a journey if you had a destination marked on a map you'd need appropriate to choose who you're going to travel with. Who are going to be your travel companions manse? And what are the voices you want in your ear as you make an journey. Sometimes it's going to be down here on easy star pretty quickly. You're going to end end up feeling like you all going up here with a wind against you with you wondering if Russians going to run out wondering if your energies he's GonNa run out. I think it's really important to treat feedback from other people like you treat the weathe- so if you're on a journey he had bad weather. You wouldn't Shane Schule Destination based on the weather. The weather itself. Alf isn't your campus. You have a compass headed you might change your strategy you might change your route. You might change your clothing and in this case this might be the way you attack or pressure problem only might be your leadership style so the things you can change but one thing that doesn't change one thing. The weather does not tight tight. Is Your destination so be really careful not to allow the people around you who will own the journey with you to dictate your destination The people you take with you need to be people who are going to be useful. Maybe you know if it was a journey. Maybe they'd have sensible skills for Mayo. Mummies a cool. I started chatting about what it wants to do and suddenly I realized I didn't know much about me cluelessly France. I know anything about musicals. I had an idea in my head of what the the Song GonNa Sound like and the story line and I wrote the script but I need someone to help me with blocking. I didn't even know what blocking was blocking is where people stood on the stage stage. I needed someone to conduct you. Costra an might show that sort of things in the in. The band kind of area was working. Well I need people backstage to make sure things were getting ready and people were going on The right time when he did people doors to welcome. So there were whole bunch of people who I needed to take on this journey with me. And what you find is when you've got a compelling vision of where you WanNa be one day actually part of the excitement and the adventures who's who's GonNa join you. On the journey and you find people will miss coming out of the woodwork. Saying Hey I've got this. I've got this gift. The skill of this passion I can bring and by achieving your own vision and your own tree. You'RE GONNA drawer in those other people so you want to choose those companions really wisely. You don't just want yes. Men Women going to create with your time That's no good is that you need. You need some alternative viewpoints at the same time united just want. No people you know may may know women people are saying no people you see the problem for every solution. You suggest you won't people who are going to be positive and help you stay a motivated. Next one is to building moments events of celebration finds things to celebrate. Send the case my musical. How we celebrate it Gain the the cost together. Rather we say we had a social and we enjoyed that and we we celebrate that first stage we celebrated The dress rehearsal. We celebrated securing a venue. If you can take off the steps in West like rungs on the ladder than it's going to see that it'll be closer Sarah over than again like I. I said before when you breaking down a destination if you can break down the actual plan itself as much as you can and then a key moments celebrate nice achievement. So many goals that's going to be motivated. And lastly you've got to start is in say city city doesn't it But a lot of US WANNA White WanNa wait until we feel like. We're the best at doing this. Toss when away into It's perfect we can guarantee the end result is perfect. But unless you stop ought you're never gonNA get you know. This proverb is January. One thousand miles starts with a single step some lines and it's really true you know you you've got to stop before you feel ready. You know if you go in you Jabe if you read books if you read people who really achieve things I would say almost all of whom say you. Don't ever feel ready. You just get going and you learn as issue guy so whatever it is if his writing a book if it's create a pod cost of creating a youtube channel. It's it whatever you get a business a charity Eh. Just make a star somehow. If you WANNA put on a concert for thousand people start with ten people and learn and then gay two hundred people you know. Do you need to begin to hone their skills. And there's something about the process of trying filing learning improving some about that process crisis that you can only do when she when she when she get going when she get out on the road where out in the case of the musical I could have sat there and Tho- of a thousand reasons not stay musical. I caught right. Music would be really good one. I didn't hear about musicals. I never been in a musical. Let alone performed one or directed one but I just got going on. I just found myself writing so after cell and then I went and found someone to write songs down nights hate them for me. A music student who was was more than happy to do that. A- and then you found musicians who happy to help To bring the music to life and then you find people who've been in the the theater before and know how to dress her before you know it. This thing begins to take on a life of its own. Him begins to develop and sometimes people it just waiting for you to have the courage to step pounds. So there's a few things to help you set direction. I ister plot your course inputs Outputs what are you Minnie outcomes. Many Cho's and will impact you and a half choose your companions on the journey was in the cheese. The voices this you WANNA fauna. Anyone have the Macias moments of celebration little goals in there and finally start staw. Ought you've been talking about it for how long now. How long have you been telling people at parties telling your friends telling people at work that really one day? I'm GONNA Someday Talia. I'm GonNa Always wanted to Hal even do that. When are you gonNA make a stop? When are you going to make some small step some small more piece of effort in the duration that you WanNa guy and then what she do that you'll find the plan starts to run it self 'cause you're never gonNA would however that that coast looks like that navigation that plan that you know that route the route that you decide on how great is however perfect? You think it is this you're gonNA be tweaking it and changing it. Once you get out there you know one goes up amounts in an absolutely sticks to fill. Because they're going to rest. We're going to take a diversion hero. The important thing is you can't start navigating into you get out there hit Ship ship come charges cool But as soon as it gets into the harbor other things too Affected the wind the tired. The waves You know every recent thing out there and once you get out then then you can start to move the RUTTA. Then you can start to find a way to chart your course unless you the harbor right now you know can assess l. for any kind of someday dream any kind of dream destination you're GONNA find that Idyllic Paradise Island Doc. You WanNa say whenever that is the okay so they got a few more tips and it's now for the next put cost Kost come and see.

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MotoGP Catalan GP review: The title race hots up

The Tank Slappers with Lewis and Uri

26:33 min | 4 months ago

MotoGP Catalan GP review: The title race hots up

"Hello and welcome to the tank Sophos podcast ultra sport the motorsport net one podcast for all things two-wheeled. Ivanhoe's Lewis Duncan join me as ever as Oriole Bustamonte, motorsport dot com global multi, GP editor jury at the end of another triple header thankfully so we can have above bedtime off after this. Championship is exciting is ever. Yeah Yeah Hopefully, yes we're going to have some dime despite identing. We're going to be totally relaxed because we are expecting some more updates regarding next year. So. But Yeah, the championship is getting. More. Excited I. Think we're. GonNa. Find and we're GONNA have a much. Blows fight between the. Thing to three maximum title contenders but. Thing it looks it looks really really good and then of course, we have to see which impact. is going to have when mark will come back. Yeah. There's a very interesting point we've got sex Rodin's left at. Very much feels no like we are in that endgame situation where the championship is beginning to. There's a little bit more reform gate fabulous by lead to the championship, but joined mirrors been so so strong these past five races. Already it looks like it's becoming between those two guys. Fabio of course wasn't the Catalan grown previous, Sunday but. It was a lap away from losing not race. Mir again. So strong coming through the field but qualifying. So it does look like his between these two guys lucan Lakers becoming between these two guys now. But. Don't forget that. I mean all the ups and downs we pat. In those yeah. Eight I I say racist. So I wouldn't I wouldn't say that Dobie is not there anymore despite his struggling to find a right base for the bike, he's not been. Consistent since Austria and he's not been writing on. Top since then but. I don't brave enough to to. To say that he's not GonNa be there in two three races time. Especial. Especially, if we consider Ho crazy the champion knees and then forget the cut working working for gas like all the others and if they find. Deke. Dhabi. you know way. Would, be I mean don't forget that this last race he. made a really impressive start, but then he had bad luck with. Crash. Yeah. Interest movie we'll. We'll begin with. will be unconventional begin with the guy and finish race but. You are right. If we get into farm, he does have the experience to he knows how to fight for championship. But the problem is you know he started seventeenth struggled again in Barcelona to with the breaking with US retire and he put. Himself in that possession by having a bad goal vying. To be whereas crashed and. So it says stuff as well. It's costing them big time legacy. Great Star I, think he came from seventeen to ten. could have had the pace to go with the product boys were sex So that would have been a decent decent result but. It doesn't look like he's fainting away forward. He knows how to we know what the problem is, but he can't fix and every race is different. The goal posts move yeah. I think he's pretty honest with that. He after raises has the same. Yes I'm there. But this is not the reality. The reality is that we don't have the speed. To be there I, mean. He just because of the from centers because of all the ups and downs That have affected. Everybody but. In a normal conditions He knows that he wouldn't have been there for so long. So yeah. Let's see. Let's see. Let's see what happened but but don't forget that. announcer for champ when he was really strong. At Yamaha were struggling quite a lot. So as you said, the the daily bike, which looks. Staple is rooted the moment because Yeah Honda has. Problems but yeah and the the bike with more. Conscious than base is this rookie. For sure a an interesting. You say that because like you said, Davi. Australia. But if you remember if you think about he was actually worried Alex Rennes, go ahead of him. He chances are he wouldn't have been able to fate with this. Okay. So even attract it was good for. DECAF. The Suzuki has been so strong it's been strong. Strong everywhere and. Rennes is struggled a lot with his injury. I think a lot more than people realize. Because it was a nasty injury essentially broke the same bone mark dead also desiccated the shoulder which sounds horrible. Bamir has been there every race spinal. While Bruno had had instantly, you got to pay Sarah and he's like he like you said, he's been the most consistent so. Looking at looking ahead to. Suzuki look. Really really getting harder like a when is coming? Yeah. I think especially on hand because he no he at Burnley despite his. This is his second years in modern. She'd be and only twenty three. So he apparently he knows how to play the game and he. Exactly. Knows which what to say an huddle react in every single race in ever single action and every single bris confidence in. You can. At least I not. Is that that he? Yes, he knows exactly what to say how to say than how to ride and hold the race, which is very impressive for for a writer writer appears H and with. he's expedient. and. Even rookies beliefs, and I've been with them. This weekend and they are really what they are in breast but at the same time. They knew that that was coming because. He's very intelligent. He's very He's a hard worker and they knew the tournament later these rather what's going to Rice but yet they really believe than he can be at condoned. But again, they're not going to say publicly because it would show you know they want to do breast this way. But yet they really they have the. Confidential on that, he at least will fight for for the for the his tennis. I I always find interesting when John Zastava. because. He always seems to say I can't really say I am a contender right now because I haven't won a ratio, I need to enough for race and not. Again not just shows the level of maturity knows as well the. he said last weekend every we need to get the best results possible. Any needs to bank points you know four podiums in the last five, not Barcelona podium I thought was really indicative of where genres mentally as raider because. He got stuck behind Miller for so long and I could easily break himself for done something sally. But just this time near the tire become too, and then you know he jumped up to second nuts. That is the mark of a writer that. Can. Win a championship. Yeah. I mean we've seen Fabio making that mistake to ago. I. Mean just for being trying to be you know this trying to with this anxiousness and uncharted the sorry and then he had a Gresh. So I I think me, it has learned. for from the from the crash. And then he says listen I'm. Not. Gonna Not GonNa repeat it anymore. So that's why he prefers bakkies time to lead the race go and then when is the right thing for him? He attacks and when he had acts all the others. Are Struggling with the with the Diet consumption so which was the strategy previously set by Suzuki and The one that these by allows to do. You have to think as well as. Just, iron that qualifying join can get onto the Front Rosen. He's going to be lot lot harder to be one of the as quite hard to beat when he's on the front row when he's in. Spain. You know forsaken possession as as coiro. He did exactly what he needed to do on on the bike around Barcelona, which was get to the front azaleas. He could run his own pace runners on rhythm and you have to think this is quite important result for him because it comes after mark made some comments that he was disappointed expected more from Fabio. and. Of course, Fabio had a difficult four, five races. So you have to think was a very, very important. Sunday for him. Yeah. I mean he was a forced to do that especially. This week we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA run a story about the pressure, and now I mean, he yesterday, he admitted that the lack of results West starting to to play a role in his head to play a game in his head. So that's why it was important for him to stop and to break this. Result so and yesterday. Sunday. Did what he had to do, which was being in front, and especially what he has to do what any Yamaha rider has to do. If, he wants to win a race which is being prompt as fast as possible. And then Goodbye Chop. So they've been lucky that there was no the in front that that is no haunting for on because otherwise it would be difficult for them to overtake, but there's the way and that's what maverick was not able to. Maverick Maverick, you got swamped to the star, and then just couldn't do it in the east pace was okay towards the end of the race or just. He said he just it was impossible overtake the palliative until rotate this the Honda cow crutch low but it's Frustrating because maverick. Family looked to meet not breakthrough Mazzano an any. They went the wrong way up across the weekend there were struggling with. Edge grip in front lock and tried to fix those things they went further away from the Bacon is Anan. The got lost is what Maverick said. You cannot afford to do that. No in Yamaha can't afford to do that as well as they won. A factory team. Raider to win the championship, which is you know what you employ a factory rated to. especially. Because in the end, they are trying to put the more sophisticated than the more. The most I would say technical words on board they do but it's much more than that. I. Mean when he says that we've been working in a different direction, dislike the past two weekends it means that they've been working the day have put it feel. Dank Until, the top I mean with with full Dank they've been in the NFC one-two-three. With the fuel dock maximum show I mean it's not that they have found any really secret day. Are you know playing with different gods or normal I mean? Commonsense if she these guys struggling with the with the first slaps just work on that and the only in the main way is, is the world like this so Again I mean it's the with We have the same story I mean we have those ups and downs even when he speaks to us. It's very difficult to understand in which moment than what he's trying to. Say US because again. last. Sunday. After the race he wanted out again to the the deemed that he has chosen that thin that he has changed. So. listen I. Mean it's the only. I wouldn't say the only but the the the main Yamaha rider with this kind of problems I mean nobody says will divide doesn't ward by I mean we've seen. Fabio winning races we've seen mortar daily winning with seen I. mean yesterday Rossi crashed when he was second. So, we would have had to Yamaha's in the podium. Was the yeah, and you look as well. The last three weeks have been dominated by Yamaha. There's nothing I. Don't think they got. Their thing wrong with that, we know is quite a lot down on power. We saw that with I mean Morbidelli for example was twenty two kilometers an hour donor on the two cats in the race, which he has on the two thousand and Nineteen Bite but that the fastest twenty twenty am I was only five kilometers and Agra quicker than Emso bat is a problem. Because of that, the overtake had the bake itself isn't. You know we we saw that we saw that in the race on Sunday this. Really, isn't a bad baked, but it's Just, as strained maverick can figure figure out and it's been three years now that you can't figure out and like you say changed, the team still can't figure out. bizarre. I mean the the Gremlins are always on his cottage. Yeah and you have I mean you can give the raiders, the benefit of the show and. We. Know Mavericks talented his anything. You know this is a properly quick greater but. In the in the end, there's there's no I mean we've seen it with mark, for example Deaths. No I mean. Yes. In in zone you maybe can have. To. Racist with the perfect conditions for you and for your Reich Year by. The ninety percent of the races. Will have to adapt to difficult conditions. Sometimes. The bike time just track from time. She's the the weathe-, but you'll have to adapt, and we when we say that Dole's writers who are consistent solid it means that they have a better patient to the centers. And he's not he apparently, he's not the best on on that. Yes has it does seem very sensitive to any kind of change. As a strange one and I I don't know how you would fix that I. Mean. Do you tweak your training g trade more on flat tracks like we see with Rossi and all the via voice guys in mock as well at smocks. Keith Z's bike training, but we know maverick does some of that himself anyway. So how'd you I mean we've seen with whips in many riders coming from the back. In especially this year. So we've seen me at okay. He's not been stacked in the fourteenth place like Maverick was on. Sunday in for lap. But yeah, I mean we've seen many riders coming. From, the back on being able to finish in a desperate position. So it's not nothing really really crazy what we are. Trying, to to figure out. Yeah. Hopefully. Hopefully things work out for brick because. As. It's just frustrating seeing them make these steps forward and any steps by and it's just. You know it's frustrating. Talk about quickly, we'll talk about Rossi not talk about Rossi because it was of Quebec weekend. Finally, we got the confirmation of twenty twenty one. I mean we've sat everson rose to say about that I don't think we need to anymore. Because we've known as I six months now. But I think it was a big weekend in that Rossi truly vindicated. You know has decision and Yamaha's decision to stay for twenty twenty one because he was quick all weekend he was fast in qualifying and like you say he was heading for the podium before a crash new may even not race had. He's tires batters and fabulous at the end so. Abegg weekend in terms of Rossi, has all the for me. All the dotes are gone. There's no. Yeah. It was a became that race because. I think this kind of championship has the bed faked elements. For him to show his expedient. Championship, would you have to manage many different factors? He's the most experienced rider of the great. So he's supposed to have. More than anybody else in those. Lead, Tricky. Moments or conditions or races. So yeah, it was a it was a shame. He admitted that they'd rush his fold. He was a bit too fast he was pushing a bit too much on that. Turn to and yeah right thing that the body was hundred percent. For Him. And Broglie an or maybe even was able to fight for the rates which would have been. Crazy. And it would have been massive championship because he would have been I. think he would have been in the point said he finished second so. Know he's fifty points back in the championship looks a bit hard for him know. Things could have been a lot definite like you say had you know had he had that result maybe into lemond. I don't obey their mindset would have been different. Yeah I. Don't see Rossi Fighting to be honest But that's my opinion of years is going to happen. You think that's Kinda crazy as either I don't I don't think I. Don't think that he has any. Obligation on fight but but he's Really competitive and that John Off I mean fourteen stadium in what what else? Should we ask him? Rossi's like mark and a sense a you know he you know he loves mark loves racing yeses why he was racing because he loves it and Sustainable Valentino and if you listen to what you said on Saturday You know he was talking about how he's results last year he didn't want to repeat those made all these changes with the crew chief and. You know someone of twenty five years experience for years old to make those changes. Just, we can be competitive again shores just how much he? He wants sent him much. He loves race and he doesn't say doesn't care about the championships in what she just loves. Being, able to the front and more GP and nuts Yay. That's enough. Yeah I think Mahameed, his life I'm in the mortgage, a championship life. So he's enjoying and why if he's competitive and Yamaha. has found him a- a- place seat. So at the point on on I'd understand which has no but he he has to do retire why I mean if he has to what the other have to do, they want while behind him I mean with. The half his age. So what's the point? Yeah A. The star this year. I did. A lot of meath aw I. would rather him retire because I don't want to see him fight for possession. Lake he was last year bought e show next year that he that's not where he's fighting fighting for the talk five he's facing for the top three. So yeah, I mean the end Indiana's like a football player I mean, yeah there are moment where you. Are On on the. Hukou Latin, the pinnacle of your. Of your condition and is the moment that you have to fight for for the League for Champions League and for the most yet relevant unborn trophies. But after that that still. A long way to go and you can be in different team not fighting for winning the Champions League. But for fighting for the rope league, I don't know. And I think that's what he's going to do next year. I. Don't see him fighting for the. Championship in honesty but I think he can be competitive. To to fight for some body oems maybe victory combined. So what else should we ask him? Absolutely. Yes. KINDA ARGUE WITH THAT Just quickly, I think Milan don KTM's because. A strange one because we we all expect to the KTM to be really strong this weekend because conditions were to bet lake. Brunel Ball wasn't the case the condition they really struggle when it's too warm in the released Togo in it's to Cole's they need Pathak conditions. and. If we look at the rest of the championship were not really GonNa get that lemoynes going to be frozen arrogance always quite cold Valencia's cold in Portugal will be roughly the same thought. So it. Seems that championship charge that we thought maybe possible seems to be slipping away a little bit from him. Yeah. The I think I'm. and. There's another factor I mean, we kate the husband in Meson all I don't know how many times. They beanie now states I mean, it's the red bull track show and. They were. In Barcelona so that's why. Another story, I mean, they've been testing most of the tracks they've been headed many times before the race they've been. They've been umbrellas weather. They've been in Austria they've been Misano. So. They haven't been in Barcelona. So it it makes a big difference. Seems that this is no. This'll be the point at the championship were the problems with the bake. This is where they'll find them because like you say they've had all this task time they've been able to refine the bake for that soccer but you know we're going to quite different soccer's in Lemond arrogant lens here. So, this will be an interesting fact finding mission for next season. On the percent on the percent let's see how they go into mind if they go welling. Lamar. What maybe may we have to change? Our mine but until now I think mandatory why they love to death in those racetracks because they know that they can get a lot of information and data gonNA, use it of course. So which is fair. But. Now. We can see hauling the knees the best for for steam and don't forget the next yet they have not going to be allowed to do that. So let's see not Jose evolve. Indeed on that note Yuri we'll pack up there. We can go and have a holiday Thank you very much for your company as always and thank you to the listeners you what you had. You can go and listen to all of Oliver previous shows on spotify and apple podcasts and Google podcasts and. Whatever people got podcasts these days. Follow autosport Motorsport, dot com for all the Castellini reaction old stuff from the weekend and keep June for this week because we are expecting announcement from Kathy and we will be back. Next week probably to to discuss what will be the next tripleheader starting with the French Rome Priebke until then it's a very warm goodbye.

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Portuguese GP Qualifying Report

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15:18 min | 3 months ago

Portuguese GP Qualifying Report

"Hello Malkin's deal textbook podcast on. Qualifying the Porch Grand Pre Yaakov. Now and it's pretty interesting session Larry Thomason while the Sonny's teammate voucher. Practice sessions misleading the first runs in key three vitamin SADIE drive is to the unusual step to qualify and the key three on the harder medium tires but Lewis Hamilton the best effects to goes what to sunny had one decision dates regretted how ends up on? Mercedes maintain these unbeaten fool in qualifying as Hamilton about US Maxi shopping challenge the cleft fourth Ferrari. Now, of course, qualifying for latest pint-sized is which again we're recording hands-free is we leave the track trumpcare reports now about while combination a nearby under orders was FM reporter Alex. Smith how did you your qualifying? Yeah I thought it was a really really interesting qualifying session and I think that I didn't know a lot of phase from drivers going in qualifying about sort of how the levels would be of see yesterday's petits. astrum is very, very messy. So we weren't really show of what's the pecking order would be Baltimore Yep, Mercedes able to maintain their unbeaten record in qualifying the season as he said, Alex massively massively impressive I I'm really. Impressive from Lewis Hamilton in the dying embers of the session as well. We sort of saw these two different strategies themselves drivers went for Ball Toss game just one run Hamilton Fatigue and it was just nice to see that kind of I. Guess that differentiation that variation in their approaches say so often will put what drives on exactly the same strategy. So to see that difference was made things a little bit spicier and a massive props Louis amundson on is ninety seventh position. Yeah. Absolutely. Congratulations to Larry's. Hamilton advisory. What is must be Celikkol kicking himself a really looked as you said, was onto season like he was going to be on top of Hamilton heading into qualifying, having dead I'm really well in the practice sessions but how much interesting to seem to find something else he so often does what was what was really interesting was I think the US was really kicking himself about decision not to what mirror will miss doing having to runs in in Q. Three on the meantime once again, the reason he. Did, that was because I was to have an extra one yet more fuel and he was just he just I think just in the moment thought I. Think I'll be able to get it done with just the one I want need to take the despondent carrying the extra fuel but that he was left kicking himself on the. Is. Really interesting to hear his response when he was all in the press conference. Just a how do you feel you must be gutted about losing out having done so in practice I think she. was which I think even even in in the instant he was he was portraying history feeling. Very annoying. I think he I think he read all the yet home his number, but but it wasn't to be I think nevertheless Mercedes again on top and qualifying still got quite an interesting makes tomorrow how much testing he's been totally Stephanie GonNa rain that could be something drivers not so sure Charles the class Jesse is not going to be cold temperatures what you'd expect to with the wet weather. So it remains to be seen what will happen with the weathe- but Serbia. Nineteen because the disruption to F- pizza goal get everything EPI three this morning no teams are really a hundred percent. Sure what the strategy is going to do I went to they were upset and the head vehicle performance. So Williams went to his online media session qualifying and he was jesting that. They could be lot of allow variations which would be done often seen Formula One. So Yelich wore kind of ICU flipping for pulled him out smart I think yeah. That kind of variety would be quite and I think that's something that we thought we get the number growing as well. That was a trot cut one hadn't been this with this situation of cause and now seven years, and then we had no Friday whatsoever really sort of would have the potential full so that the drives and teams be sold them feeling out what the best thing to do. With strategy is as thrice whereas on a doubt, the conditions as they go, which makes him very interesting and other buggering that kind of faded away a little bit because it was quite obvious. The everyone was pitching around the same point early on in the race and then off c switch the to stop sates, cock him out hopefully tomorrow though we can see a bit of a change therapy. As he said, we've got the tomb said's drivers starting on the mediums stopping on soft Shell Leclerc. He had a massively impressive qualifying once again, really outstripping the fullness. Of that Ferrari's qualify fourth hill starting mediums as well after I really impressive running. He tastes I I think it's going to be very interesting. Say just how much he'll be to keep them to the coach house over the leading three drivers. But yeah, I think that I think the stopping them rebel will particularly be sort of interested to see what they could do stop and he hasn't so felt too comfortable throughout this weekend said today it was like driving on ice out that the conditions the grip conditions were so so difficult he actually said is false as. Timing he one of all the actions I believe and I, think, not ready to showed how unpredictable and how difficult is for the drivers out that and times ties in the right window. So I think hopefully, we can see that kind of challenge in the rice tomorrow as well. I think it could hopefully open up some strategy options maybe a little bit skeptical guiding just because after what happened in the it was all end up being fairly straightforward in the end. Yes. Interesting speaking time in the press conference often it's a yeah, he pointed out that. Very starts leg grip if as a safety car or anything want. Complaints about the pace going out what into the nearby green the essentially what you say about times didn't didn't progresses you normally expect to any kind of the key three or see the track conditions just so so different from what my teams normally face on the regular circuits the Formula One visits I'm that you know that's that was the reason why Mercedes ended up going with the medium ties of the am but I think. I think really overlooked elements of what happened at the qualifying. Basically the wind picks up and it's been changing around quite a bit we can is by catching out the teams I'm the driver is a little bit I am on an interesting element that's that that they've Robson at Williams I mentioned earlier he suggested was that it could be the elevations change in the massive elevations changes the that. Circuit. Has Got. Exposes different parts of the cards, the wind, but yet look what did he? What do you think matters happens chances tomorrow because he has us at Hamilton housed him about starting on the mediums and he was on well, I think a while Phillips to Bouma as we saw in in qualifying with the actual mops them to do on the Yellow Wood rubber recycling was on the soft inching. Rabou, he said just quietly committed to the soft didn't bovid the mediums who did he say Charles Cloud was got thrown serves getting some face to be found in them in terms of again, three key to in escaping escaped not. Began shopping got John's the stock but you think he can hold onto themselves in the rice realistically no, but I think. So I think Mercedes still look at pretty strong from from what we say nothing stopping what he's been saying about how she's been struggling script this weekend he Lewis. Hamilton valuables, assault of both spoke the challenges they've had those stopping his radi being the Mike will saying as of. Today the feels like strive on ice out that they were you know enjoying as funny very, very difficult and even through qualifying he wasn't really so of a front runner, right the way it was unease over the key three the he really did pop up that with the team said he's driving so i. think it's Yeah. I be surprised to see him sort of have much of a too much for showing. The right thing starting on the soft softening obviously, you will have the advantage as the Mercedes cancel keeping Bay through the through the opening stages of the race I think they'll probably be in good shape I think the law of drivers and law teams August looking at the medium as being the favorable race tire we've sold out to the extent the spicing battle and Ferrari didn't even go near the soft key to. And best ended fifty eight flavors right down the order because they were that committed to get through a medium. So obese pricey any of the drive starting outside the top ten sauce on the soft Tyre thing mediums pro dealer to be the whites go and yet as be quite interesting how the driver's adapt to the conditions as they move. Hopefully, we get a little bit of rain to make things up as well. Well now, you've said that lake definitely weren't happen such as the white guys on. Pretty we'll rain about. An hour of the racist finished because again punch as what happens in. Formula One But yeah, you mentioned especially better qualifying well down in fifteenth but la- Absolute Star in fourth. What was the difference between the Ferrari drivers play? It's just been a season. Long thing really hasn't a Sebastian battle he spoke off qualifying and he was also about backup Tula and he said the basically clerks in a different league right now he said ECON- compete with him and he just getting so much more out the Ferrari car the Clark mean he was Brady already happy with his lap. He did a segment on Sky Sports the qualifying talking through his lap and He, you could just you can hear it in his voice is just really so happy and content with what he pulled out, and I think the to be punching so far above his white as he has been throughout this season's be I mean two games under his belt which frawley really don't deserve by any means and this is the second race in row that he's mashed qualify fourth, which is mostly impressive really furry they. They really should be so thinking against Keith reload big achievement, but the clock is consistently doing the on really punching way the order beating them Clarence beating around is basing the racing point and Sunday even Alex Album. This is Red Bull. So yeah, hugely impressive despite from him, the vessel I believe that's an eighth consecutive race. He's failed to make it through to key three Silverton. The British Grand Prix was the last time he made it through not time he's at seven key to exit something that he wanted to. So it's not been happy time him and qualifying recently but lack i. think the concept anything away from him and just the degree is in right now is really impressive. He said he's more optimistic Bob Ferrari chances in the race than than Abba going he said it was the co conditions in Germany that didn't play that favor causal tiger raining. So He's quite hopeful. They can maybe being slutty shape Tamar and I think it'd be great. Seems the frontal midfield fight Well let's end this focus boy talking once again about another driver that we have talked about a lot on Saturdays in twenty twenty, amass George Russell or see a lot of speculation about his future at this event. Because the rumor that suggest that Williams looking service with Sergio Perez or to continue on despite the fact it already before it's taken in China's it already confound that Russell and Latifi would on next year and yet seven times he's made it out q one which is very impressive considering Williams need to in two thousand, nine hundred. So what's your view on Russell's performance today? Yes, another mega mega display. We saw sort of hooking up this final and just pulling everything how the bag and eventually made it through by over a quarter of a second dump down kimmy right in the sense and I think we've seen it with George. Rosalyn. Is He might Nicholas Latifi throughout this season they've been quite evenly matched through the early paw of key one. But then just in the final embassy of the session, Rosa will be up to pull out the bag and produces Mac Mac la and we heard him over the radio science will come on. Tell me she's GonNa. Tell me she's good in the this. Is Good, and he was just great to hear that reaction and I think real real positively because it's been as you said, the husband is speculation all weekend about his fusion willoughby with Williams thanks gear, and then to go and make an I'll qualify Sebastian veteran a Ferrari if you set that out twelve months ago I mean you've been laughed out the room. So a mega mega performance by him once again, I'll take his streak of his teammates Formula One to thirty three nil an quitting qualifying, which is. Just, a sounding as much as Nano Lonzo may about his previous qualifying records get his teammates I think George Address Eliza. Really set in new gold standard folded and it's just another statement of why he sort of shift beep on the grid next year and it's something that I spoke to Tyson we'll financed about on about off to qualifying and so so it was in a of chipper mood. He was fairly upbeat as you would be often obscene you and drive out the former of gray but. With regards to George. He said the he said yesterday that it is Alvin said he's hands is purely audience while they. He doesn't know the financial reality that they are facing I asked her what would happen basically were George Russell not see be only at one grid next and he said we put interest insatiable testing program of we get ready for a twenty one to blast at banner he meant with Mercedes or with another Simba definitely only at one grid and he seems sorta fairly fairly relaxed about things. which was Nice Sunda Elsie Estan. He was in a very similar position to address. Lindsay is aim where he appeared obvious future souls. He thought it was going to get Reynaud with one, twenty, nine hundred, and then you're called I obviously made those trucks which across and that really left also slipping through the cracks in the drive marquette and ultimately without a seat full loss and in a reserve role wouldn't say and of was this year that he was able to make a fulltime comeback and I think the. He said, it wouldn't be justified. See Russel not beyond the grid the ultimately he is someone who deserves to say he's proving and but he said f one can be cruel. Lay can be like out sometimes where the drive is he deserve a place on the grid just don't get it and I think the more we sort of talk about the drive monkey next year and the more speculation that goes on I think it's worrying And I think a lot of it does really hinge on wall says your Peres does whether edible who have now said the if they was alex album, they would look outside their own drive of pool whether he could end up there with rebel would favor nickel bag instead just what they do I, I don't. I think that's going to be a really interesting story to look at moving folate Mugabe sly Georgia again, absolutely proving his his sort of future star status and they're just another mega qualifying phones from the young Brett. Absolutely. Well, again, sting speaking to Williams this evening because. Bush being so good in qualifying and the cause of seems to naturally come back little bit in. Good combat down for my Hossa, the back of the field and in terms of race pace and Williams confused about that and as openly saying that Abramson was of agreeing with the point that you could just be the russell is doing the outflow roaming the car in the race because he doesn't go back. Quite I experienced after age the thing that makes there is how much good. When it comes to managing the ties over rating, get debt, oversee Ruskin, get everything out of them in terms of life and performance in qualifying he maybe he's just not quite as good in the race in the Copley. Not Helping either but Williams. Freely admitting it doesn't quite still doesn't is investigating season the one that keeps on but anyway, we should We should run this book because advisory Size One and we are Heb bouncy a bit of our journey because there's lots of speed bumps in the town nearby with stay site league. Thanks very much for joining. Tonight. 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Urdu Narration: Qaza Namaz Ke Masail  Dr. Mohammad Najeeb Qasmi

The Clear Evidence

25:00 min | 10 months ago

Urdu Narration: Qaza Namaz Ke Masail Dr. Mohammad Najeeb Qasmi

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How to recognize opportunities with Konstantinos Giannoukos from Train Your Pulse

Help'n'Trade podcast

27:42 min | 10 months ago

How to recognize opportunities with Konstantinos Giannoukos from Train Your Pulse

"Hello and welcome everyone to our next episode of helping trade podcast give space to enterpreneurs ender startups by today's guest is Constantinos. Janocko's an enterpreneur from Greece with an international experience for financial industry and all over the world. And today we're going to all about his startup which he stopped following actually in Switzerland but also about the opportunities to recognize them a knowledgeable along with the crisis that we have right now in enterpreneurship. So Cosentino is. If you don't mind please introduce yourself to. Stage is yours and found aside. You said before I am running my own startup. I come from Grecia started in the UK Engineering and the must've been telecoms working in the financial sector Financier specialist. Sign was pretty much supporting the banks and so the bathrooms but after working for a few years with the bank say found that eighty to not want to work in that environment. Anyone I decided at some point to do my own venture in your house and here. We are today to discuss about it. I guess exactly train your pulse so I know what it is but our listeners. Upper very curious. What is a training pulse? So I think first Because if you don't mind please tell me the story behind it. How did you start with an idea? What is it all about? Where is the value? And Yeah just share your knowledge and experience far for sure Well pulses platform for wellness and fitness. We actually do. The management of the planes we do manners rations and On doubles out there having lots of ulcers on the future of how we can make a healthy ecosystem on the Business Industry so how did start Mike in Greece my hometown month? I have the mind of the is actually running a the so one day. He talks to me and he says. I use this offer while this coming International STANDARDS. They any actually out something better. I sit down with him. Might Be Biden's that he actually need than the than I decided to go forward and actually build something from scratch for him. But you're no longer along the way as I was building this offer I was looking for the market virginity. Isn't that was looking around in the market? To See what else is available competition and how their stature didn't. I found out that there is in the market for this niche afler and then I decided to actually the ownership of the software and used to my friend. The license for life as long as out With the idea that Adams if you needed because nominated into the software with the mindset of Yemen's builds on the and see if it works I handle information from imperfection I lived. He bumped Israel means. And then we go the This is meets so something that's GonNa be useful for sure today. Is IT professionals endanger Great demands really also a problem. Which is there now. Crm system for James and wellness. It doesn't sound like a lot of people are going into what about your competitors. Who is it and where do you make the difference competition? I exists Mostly dates on a local basis because inevitably country there is some small competitors. Did they actually do some bought for I think a we are finding local base But that is a competitor wants Which is actually the the beast in the market. They run on a global scale and the minimum perations were never the country. He's not in majority of them but to no this visit vendors may do have his dour bathrooms Dinner it's easier to use than the competition. We do have lab on the necessary points of of the gym owners need for gender business properly also they use it in defense of the client applications for them. very user friendly in our simple to use and very catchy so do disasters Gusta is that a majority of the customers will have extensive against their Jim. Because they're using our application. We try to obviously make it even better. Do we will dry arrestable Meg Ryan. Ovation's on double this because we're beginning when you say at the beginning it means the already have application running and he said you already have certain certain amount of clients where the clients located. These are some specifics in regards location and their requirements application. Well we eventually. We started in Greece than we go clients in the UK last month. I to glance Romania. I was in Switzerland in past weeks. new lands and Switzerland Karma virus. Now actually not very happy with the situation. Now is very difficult to find because all this views into a ghost hunter. I do see that the the need to far what we do. It's Inigo Moscow. Because as long as it's GONNA working different continents for example meaning and eanet with split if under the rest of the world and what can reason the UK than I work in. Many more countries mega responded judgments. But again we're happy to the adjustments localization every country. I must say I played around with application. I liked it very much. It was very clean. It was very straightforward. There was no how to put it. I wasn't confused about how to use it. It was really easy. I thank you completely took away the barriers of entry and especially the advantage. Where is it is that you actually promoted to the gym owners dwells owners and the one who facilitate the business themselves and they actually are responsible for pushing the application itself to their clients that means your user base is growing exponentially to would effort to actually have to put into getting the new client into well down on that point. I really liked that. Thanks defined We tried to eventually for the claimed the application is costing nothing so when someone goes through his gene and They create an accounting our system than a month. You get an email with all the details the details on vic down and then they can go into the APP they can buy subscription for g Lang Out of the classes online. They can cancel so they have all the flexibility. They want to do it without needing to get the phone and trying to find their coach. Who actually at Ames and meeting? Since the ender for the client as you said the we started event of November with a few glancing. Now we are not allowed to nineteen clients So Ninety two gyms are using us. We have one thousand six hundred people using them about UK shins in just a few months. That is a really great number. Say where we will down on that and you know there is a potential to grow except as you said it yourself. The coronel is now a striking. So that made the cut through your sales strategy. As of now what is your strategy to go on Where do you see the opportunities to grow outside of the acted? Everything is in a long time. You don't really have direct access to your customers or at least not face to face. So how'd you WANNA promoted right now? Where do you see the potential to go through It's a good point because Literally the last days I break my head in order to find a way to make the software attractive to the people in his situation that nobody wants to hear about anything and they know that their businesses are closed. They know they're losing money. They know that they have to pay that information. At the end of the moms ended her uncertainty out there so our approach to this is the following. WanNa help them professionals on this crisis. So what are we actually GONNA proposes platform and we've our system. They can actually keep the engagement with their glands. Because nobody knows how long the market with the offense and doing what state will be when they come to market people may not even want to hear about going back to the Jim because of the virus or maybe they don't have money to go to the gym because they have no jobs? It's very liquid now. We have no idea what's going to happen but when you're gonNA propose to the gains that we already have because we discussed these solution with them. Is that They were they can do online training courses and they could actually organize it through our system so even people that they're not there claims they can even register to the system in follow. Annan Lang Yoga class for example that someone from his whole. He's the Oh they pay lane on the platform vacant get link for the zoom on firms that they actually use for them class and then people will be able to do the work from home for the time. Everything's closed also. We are ready to introduce a small add onto the platform into the applications depot can eventually Zimmer's and eventually Allocates to every claim a training schedule for hall so the trainings gives her would be glance. Application and Then the users will be able to follow the dining schedule tall land so this way the gym owners will eventually keep the communication with their clients while they're not going to the gym and it's a very important. Dan Mentor they need to do is to hold the Diet in the. Keep closing a glance because you know when you leave. People lump time with no thatt's communication elevating. They get lost a forget. They won't even come back to your gym after South. This is what we are actually winning to promote right now and you notice attack. Us sales that we can help individuals have some rain is on the Houston. Does do keeping fuss with clients to provide them some Mexican services now that they're home and actually having China communication for them so they can keep them as clients. Those are some great ideas. We would like it. I think the winners at the end of the day we'll be those who actually cared about their clients even during the crisis in so opportunities in it and I think you certainly following that as well and If you are the one who enables gyms to survive as saying there is also loyalty that you're going to build with your clients and the that's a that's a great value that you can provide there so keep up the good work. Constantinos well done so far. Thanks to fund I well. This is what we try to do. Eventually try to give a solution to our clients in order to survive in Mankin due to the difficult situation of the goal through so we will try our best to help them. And obviously we're not only willing to jump out existing glands. We're ready to help anybody. Who IS OUT THERE? Seeking solution will help them to keep the engagement with clients and give them as much value right now. When everybody's at home wanting window for sure guys you should go grab the application. Get The training schedule from your gym owner and the do the work on hold because we all need to stay healthy end in physics way mental way because the whole situation was really messy. Oh yes definitely actually about to do also both guys episode on specifically that point which you mentioned how do you actually stay also mentally healthy while being in yourself guarantee or that you stay home for a week or two and the only video conferencing there is a human factor? Which is missing in conferencing only. And you need to combat somehow and one of the things to do that is just build up your mental resilience. Do exercises also at home Have actually a routine morning routine launch routine evening routine tried to spend the time productively so that you feel that you actually accomplish something swath date not just wake up videoconferences holiday angled back to bed and so I think there is definitely the value that James can provide as well so it's going to be interesting to watch market. What are they going to do all going to adapt to the to the concentration and I think the tricky part is that as gym owner. You really need to have a direct connection to your customers right now and to be honest when I was a customer gyms. It's not the case in the last two or three years but previously. I was always distracted. Jim and I never heard anything from my gym owner. There was never anything useful except promotional emails saying that that can save twenty percent the next subscription. And I think that was what made me for. Example unsubscribe from a lot of the gyms because it was just it only felt as a as a meat grinder. You know. You can't pay you leaf. Go on if you give me a good idea right now. I already had in mind but the actually take your Detroit now because I believe that many of the gym owners the vessel dangers that good that the Dingo jump today the people by running a business I think a job and I wanted to put in place in order to explain and do some more information how they can eventually run their business. That house should they communicate with that. Explains what they should do. Declines engage and then give them also with our solution. How the Zemo of well? I'm very happy that could help and Yeah definitely go for. I think there is value so follow that that's for sure. Webinar or any sort of material which can promote some social media where you know where you can target specific audience with your value proposition. Make sense Which brings me actually to another topic. Which is how do you actually recognize opportunities during the hard times? Is Dan now first of all? Because if you don't mind we go back to the beginnings of entrepreneurship. You told you a story that just started the to create a product off to hurt their concerns or the complaints off your first client. Which I think is the best approach to do so you should not go with a productive open before you have your first client but there is also specific mindset required to do so you have to be able to recognize opportunities when they're knocking on the door and the way. I see and I understand how you think I think you see opportunities on every corner but not perceiving all of them so my question on that spoke How do you recognize the right opportunities to follow? And then what kind of questions do you give yourself in order to filter the good ones from the bad ones will? It's a very good question and It's not that easy question. Because seven aspects that you need to assess and you need to check before you actually go for it for example and opportunity camps then you see how the opportunity comes basically you see that is a person has a problem so then unique to think. Can I love his problem? Yes or no you say yes. I can't so if you say gum then comes the question. How a night off his problem. Then you started to think about the solution to resolve the problem and then you have to assess if it's actually viable if it's that they cannot worked his enough market the for this prominent to solve these people for example that they face the same problem And then eventually come to the answer. If it's worth to go for it or not you have to seven on steps of these as you said before there many opportunities out there just to keep your eyes open to actually use your mind in order to think wisely Someone who sees the problem and that is market for it. For example that is not laugh is not money needed in order to build a solution then may h should be getting at least the first getting light in order to start moving a little bit to do something to test the market disease daily wonder that's not unique to go. Stay misstep you just you. Just the solution. Indata London you go to the market. You identify Alan. Then you build a small solution then you go to the market you just identify. This throats is right for them. If you get the boasted but then you get the green light for the Then you go back to the lab and you continue to the next steps and then you have final that year to that you can actually introducing market today the market. This is the approach. I I actually in general that means you actually feel throughout through viability protests essentially. Ask yourself if you're the one who can actually go through it than the solution if you listen to some professional investors this is also why they ask for the team set up because they wanna see that you are trying to solve a problem which can be. It can be a sales sales solution. It can be any sort of a solution but if you don't have the skills to hard skills and soft skills to solve the problem and implemented execute opponents than it makes no sense to invest into so I think that approach that you have is very healthy and again you know well done on that point it is also interesting to see that you came up with a with a way to cope with the current Enviros. And that'll be also interesting to know. How did you think how you figure out that? Yes there is a crisis around. Everybody's GonNa be close. There is still something we can do about it well Let me add something to give us. The we discussed the also very important to do to to have for start out the idea to go forward with the actually like the whole process because I can Super Jimmy Dean. Many of the sectors and many other things out of software out of fitness in different markets and different industries by two. Then you need to also ask a question to yourself. Do you WanNa go to the industry. The daily like that's a what you're doing you need to have you know most. Certainly that's also something that I was already getting as an advice. From a on a podcast. They also shared European debt. Passion is the driving force behind the idea but of course I asked to be a case that idea and if you can cover both there is a strong tendency that you actually going to execute upon and make something successful loud so in that point Constantinos. Where do you see yourself with train your pulse? Let's say in two or three years. Which markets are trying to tackle actively? Do you see the greatest potential of your product. Well we eventually wanted to capture Europe. I because I can see. There is a lot of market for the wellness and fitness industry. The only facing problem in Europe is the localization in different languages for example. Usa might be New Zealand market. Because you have the same language within Europe is not the case but again we that. I mentioned that I a thinks that can be is also our tag is not to stay on main to the sides. Klein management is then we want to create the nickname electrically to marketplace and To give x Avenue to the gym owners and also to the users the end user in order to be able to travel down find a gene find their studio find efficiencies. There there are a lot of ideas on the table. Weathe- before we start thinking inventing anything else just need our based be strong to have Client lease and then We that I might do that. He suits and benign question nurse the end users into the businesses. We laugh identify. What the next thing that they want from us and then we will put everything down in this the best thing to do next. Tell me help out your team. Are you planning to stick up on support personnel Who is your team? Where the sitting and do any do you have any plans to for example? I mean I know you're in Switzerland. I actually planning to go to Greece and establish your team. They're willing name factor. Obviously I'm transportable right now. I'm a little bit in Greece which allows a little bit in the UK Mine Development Team based in Greece in my Zainur one of my marketing people are in Switzerland. Another Marketing Person. Initiating helps us as well so we are trying to make the office Offense so the main office will most likely be here within development and some personnel for. Hr support the end for the sounds than we need to assess if we need someone on the film the B never the country locally or we can run this else from the Home Office weekend we can see above that because I want this both ways if I can come everybody in lovelace If we see we need people in every country then we will change dylan the way we need flexible and the the question just for my understanding of enrollment of your clients is it that your client can just visit your websites and me being a gym owner. I can ride away. Take your products and create a serum system for myself from scratch. Do I get any help when doodads or is there some steps in between where you have to talk to me I or you actually have to send someone over to help me set it up for the for the moment? We are not coming any capability that someone goes in basin gets something. May I working on Right now with our Version of the Sierra. Which coming junk 'cause we do device thanks where unchanging. Thanks so the whole process works unique west the demos throughout website. Then we eventually contact to actually give them on so you policies and works for me that go. It's mostly not the sewing them. All these about gardening means declined the information that they need to build myself better. Then if I that diagne actually Mott's most of the points that the client the needs then it means we are in a good way to have the sale and then eventually ends of the system for them when save UK. And I give them a one hour training which is more than enough so they can a setting up all this their needs and then buses to their clients to Ellen Donald of using the system and obviously we are always there for support and everything that they might need along the way. We never leave them alone. Now tell me. I know what you're facing jogging time. Is there any specific resource or people that you're looking right now for and can help you right away? Hands on. That would be great if they contact you off. So they listened to the podcast would be very interesting for Bibo Levy like our product in our idea and they are interested in sales as we need to expand our sales at so this is actually our main thing right now is actually Celso. Anybody who's interested in selling our system to get involved as an owner or as the extent now center. We can discuss about with the best for now. We have marketing. We have the development of months we are. We're kind of covered now. That's great to hear. That really seems to me like you are really well set up for what's coming next so We are about to reach actually Recoding time therefore Cosentino Caesar something you would like to share our podcast. Some message your vision. Anything my vision for the future reasons. I really want to healthy future. Reading won't be able to understand the get serious workout or leasings for them and it's actually making them better into the personal life to that work life really gives you a lot of thing so they need to take into consideration the need to do. It's I know. Sometimes it's hard to follow things some people on a train journey thing but they do find nation somehow and We were tried to motivate those people and also please share your social media channels everything where people can contact you your website your product page on APP store etc. I will will do that. That would send your information so you can put it along the way with the guests and anybody who has questions or interested interested in Rodak or they want to know more than welcome to convicting can discuss anything. They might need to know perfect. Thank you for being such a great guest. Thank you for sharing your experience knowledge. And also how you? How do you actually recognize opportunities in the market? It was very valuable and for our listeners. Thank you for listening. It was a great experience. That was very happy. That Constantinos was here today. And I hope there is value for you as listener and that you'll learn against something but also visited motivated more into direction of entrepreneurship. Don't forget to share your experience. Your feedback with US Social Media Our facebook channels help end traits just as well as twitter health and trade one or visit our website. Check our blockbuster leave a comment. Whatever you like we out there so thank you for listening and stay tuned.

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Balto and Togo Pt. 1: A Life-Saving Delivery

Dog Tales

39:08 min | 1 year ago

Balto and Togo Pt. 1: A Life-Saving Delivery

"Breath as Leonard sepulchres trustee dogs pulled his sled across the frozen Tundra the veteran musher gripped the handlebar with everything he had with the freezing wind blowing directly in his face letting go meant certain death that is if the cold didn't kill him. First factoring in wind chill. He estimated the temperature was a deadly eighty five degrees below zero. It was only early afternoon but night was already descending on Alaska dropping the temperature even lower however settler wasn't thinking about his own safety he was thinking thinking of the children in no slowly dying from Diptheria in nineteen twenty. Five Diptheria was a the death sentence unless they could be treated with the vials of serum securely nestled in sepulchres dog sled and though the road had was full of peril SEPLA had a secret weapon his lead dog a twelve. Your old Siberian Husky named Togo. A true veteran of the trails. Togo had seen it. All as separate appeared appeared into the icy darkness. He could see Togo's tail wagging back and forth like a metronome. It didn't matter how cold it was. It didn't didn't matter how hard the wind blew. It didn't matter how many miles they had to run. Togo would make sure. The medicine was delivered safely. Welcome dog tales a podcast original. Every week we tell the stories of historic heroic canines. We'll profile dogs who save people from earthquakes. Quake's went to outer space and even spurred the invention of Velcro. I'm your host Alistair. You can find episodes of don't tales and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream dove tails for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type dog tales in the search bar. This is our first of two episodes on Balto and Togo to heroic. Huskies who participated the Great Serum Run of Nineteen Twenty. Five Balto and Togo. Were key runners in an emergency dog sled relay from Nina Nanna Alaska to the city of nome with no roads leading to the tiny mining town and the sea frozen over for the winter. This so six hundred seventy four mile dog. sled relay was the only way to transport. The vital medicine needed to stop a deadly diphtheria theory outbreak. This week we'll follow Togo and Leonard Suppler as they helped transport the serum across the Alaskan Interior area next week. We'll pick up at the end of Togo's journey and follow bulldoze quest to bring the serum to nome when Togo. The Siberian Husky was born in October October nineteen thirteen. Nobody expected much from him least of all his thirty five year old owner Leonard Sepla unlike his powerful Father Author Sagan Togo was undersized and weak at first it seemed like the black and gray puppy might not even reach adulthood could shortly. After he was born Togo got sick and his throat swelled if not persepolis wife Constance nursing him back to health. Togo would have surely perished. Despite Togo's health issues CEPA harboured hopes that he might still follow in his father's father Sagan's footsteps and become an outstanding sled dog known as King of the Alaskan trail Leonard. SAPOLU was one of the most skilled sled drivers in the Alaskan territory. He exclusively use Siberian huskies while they were much smaller than traditional sled. Dogs like Mike. Malamute's and samoyeds Siberian. HUSKIES had more stamina and were better at running as a team. SEPLA had a Kennel of about fifteen Siberian. huskies sudden was the best of them with saga leading. The way CEPA used his pup. Mobile to supervise is a hundred and ten miles of ditches that provided water to the pioneered gold mining companies claims when the need arose. He would also transport supplies and passengers to various mining camps everything in Cephas life revolved around his dogs. He put put time and care into making sure his team ran like a well. Oiled machine CEPA raised each of his dogs from the time. It was a puppy he he was so devoted that he would sometimes even eat with them. It wasn't uncommon to see him surrounded by dogs tearing off strips of dried Thomond with his teeth and sharing them with the pack. When Togo regained his strength Sepah wanted to train in him to be part of his leading team? Unfortunately Togo proved untrainable. Perhaps spoiled by settlers wife's cuddling Togo was mischievous and like to annoy the other dogs. Togo was so badly behaved. One reporter remarked. The puppy was showing the oldest signs of becoming a canine delinquent. SEPLA didn't want to waste his time on such a rascal. No matter how hard he tried Togo wouldn't Jordan. Listen to him. He just wasn't cut out to be a sled dog and if he wasn't going to be a sled dog he wasn't going to live in settlers Kennel. When Togo was six months old separate gave him away to a woman who wanted to keep a Husky as a pet domestic mystic? Life wasn't any easier for the precocious pop no matter how many treats and cuddles his new owner gave him Togo. Couldn't wouldn't be chained a few weeks after SEPLA gave him away. Togo broke through the window of his new home and ran several miles back to his old master. When Togo appeared at his door? SEPLA couldn't bear to turn him away. He might have been Tehran four legs but he was incredibly loyal. That same loyalty would almost get Togo killed in the weeks. After Togo's return SEPLA decided to let him run alongside the team when they went out for deliveries SEPLA. Zeppelin might not have thought Togo was of any use. But he wasn't about to leave him cooped up home. Siberian huskies need to run the indigenous genus. People of Siberia actually bred. Huskies specifically for travelling long distances. CEPA shuddered at the thought of how many more windows could break. If Togo couldn't let out his pent up energy but just because Togo is getting. His energy out didn't mean he was well behaved whenever they approached an oncoming team. Togo would run up to its leader and NIP at him. It was as if he was trying to push them to the side and and make more room on the trail for CEPA as long as these antics didn't upset the other drivers too much separate. Let it go. He he knew that. Trying to get Togo to stop a lost. Cause one day settlers team crossed paths with a sled pulled by a group of mean looking Alaskan Malamute S- weighing in between. At and one hundred pounds these dogs were twice. The size of Togo's goes mighty father sucking compared to them forty. Six pound. Togo was like a teacup Chihuahua. How ever Uh Togo didn't realize the danger? They posed just like he did with every other dog team on the trail. He run up to the leader nipped at him. The malamute didn't take kindly to Togo's pestering. He bet his teeth. If Togo nipped again the malamute would return the favor. And then some Togo didn't get the hint When he nipped at the Malamute a second time the other dog pounced pinned to the snow? Togo was powerless. Sepulveda and the other driver ran two separate the dogs but there was nothing they could do. When the Malamute finally retreated the snow around Togo was red with the puppies? Blood leapt into action gathering Togo in his arms. He urged his lead dog sudden to take them to the next town as fast as possible. Togo may have been a pain but he was still Sapolu a police dog and he took care of his own despite his injuries. Togo made a full recovery. Being countered with the Malamute was a painful but valuable lesson from then on whenever he went onto the trail. Togo new to give other. Dog teams a wide berth. It was one of the most valuable skills. A sledding dog could learn two months later later Togo finally got to put that lesson into action. Coming up Togo defies the odds to become a sled dog high podcast listeners. It's Alice there. We hope you're enjoying these inspirational true stories as much as we love sharing them with you. We'd like to pause for a moment and highlight something very near and dear to our hearts in celebration of the launch of dog tales. We are excited to partner partner with Miranda Lambert and her incredible Matz Nation Foundation. MUTT nations mission is to promote facilitate the adoption of shelter animals and educate the public about the importance of spaying neutering pets podcast and spotify a proud to support this lifesaving foundation by making a ten one thousand dollars donation if you would like to donate or learn more about Mutt nation please visit MUTT NATION DOT com. That's MUTT nation. Dan Dot com any amount of donation will make a difference. Thanks for listening now. Back to the story around may nineteen fourteen. Leonard Sepah was hired to take a prospector to a gold strike at dime creek. One hundred thirty four miles from nome because the prospector was in a rush separate. Couldn't afford to bring eight month old Togo along. He distract the other dogs too much. But Togo couldn't stand to be left behind the nine after separate departed. Togo broke free from his. Tether nome mm-hmm he cleared the seven foot fence surrounding the Kennel and took off after his master. The next morning SEPLA WOAH was shocked to see a little black streak running down the trail. It was Togo. Sepulveda grinned and then shook his head. He couldn't believe that Togo had made it this far but his amusement quickly turned to annoyance. Even though Togo had learned to avoid other dog sled teams. He was still a pest and a distraction to separate own dogs. Separate didn't have have time to waste on Togo's nonsense. The prospector had paid him. Good money to get to the Goldstrike as soon as possible with no other. The choice slipped a harness over Togo's head he puts him at the back of the team in will position back there. He couldn't do much damage and Sepah could keep an eye on him. But the moment separate clip Togo onto the line. Change came over the dog. All of a sudden Togo settled down his ears pricked up he worked with the other dogs keeping the tug blind taught and his is straight ahead. Togo's boundless energy had been channeled into relentless focus. cephlon looked at his dog in wonder he realized that Togo wasn't an out of Control Wild Child. He just behaved that way because he wanted to be part of the team and from that point on he was throughout that first day separate kept moving Togo up. The teams pecking order at first. Togo started in back with the wheel L. Dogs because they're so close to the sled we'll dogs must be extremely strong and even-tempered at forty six pounds. Togo wasn't big enough to be a wheel dog and besides he was too smart to be relegated to such a menial position after seeing Togo's proven focus SEPLA put him with the to swing dogs located directly behind the leader. Their job is to steer the sled. If they don't react correctly to the leaders movements the sled could veer off course off flip over. Togo excelled at that too. He was so good at navigating that separate decided to move Togo up one more spot to the leader position curious to see a how he do. Sepulcher Hanis Togo next to inexperience. Lead dog named Russky. Instead of following other dogs he'd be taking taking commands directly from SEPLA whether it was a left turn hall or right turn G. Togo was extremely receptive. Perceptive to settlers commands by the time the sunset they had run seventy five miles considering sled teams averaging about ten miles per hour and can only run for a few hours at a time. It was an incredible feat for an eight month. Old Puppy like Togo Kogo. He might have been young but Togo ran like a veteran. When he was honest he maintained laser focused focused on his tasks? He had an uncanny ability to size up obstacles and kept the other dogs on his team in check from that point on Togo was sepoys number. One dog his ride or die quite we literally over the next decade. CEPA always made sure to bring Togo along. If he had traverse dangerous terrain it was extremely really important for separate to have a lead dog he trusted with his life especially when he had to cross the deadly expense of the Norton Sound. Although crossing over this forty two mile stretch of sea. Ice could be a handy shortcut along the Alaskan coast it. It was extremely hazardous. Even a skilled martial like Leonard. Sepah would be out of luck if he got caught in the wrong circumstances circumstances one day. Sepulveda and Togo on a run that required them to cross the norton sound before they ventured onto the ice. The weather had been clear. But in the middle of the crossing. Sepulveda and Togo were hit. Hit by a sudden northeast gale. If the weather got any worse the ice could break up trapping them on the sound. Sepulveda ordered Togo to head for land but it was too late. Sepulveda and Togo became stranded on an ice floe and soon with floating into open water as the current carried them toward the Bering Sea. SEPLA had no choice but to hunker down and hope the wind brought then back to shore but after several hours nothing had changed sensing they were in trouble. The other dogs started ought to howl but Togo remained calm. All of a sudden he let out a low yelp they were drifting back towards the shore. Eventually the ice floe they were on drifted up to a piece of show fast ice but the current would only we carry their little ice flow so far there was still about five foot channel between death and salvation. Couldn't cross the gap but Togo could off tying Togo to a long lead. SEPLA Pella tossed him across the gap. The dog skittered onto the shore fast ice and strained against the lead with all of his mind the strategy she had worked with Sepulveda and the other dogs anchoring him Togo's started to pull the separated ice flow to safety bridging bridging the gap of freezing water but then the line snapped now that he was untethered and there was nothing stopping Togo from running away but he refused to abandon his master. Togo GEICO leapt into the freezing water and grabs the broken lead scrambling back onto the shore. Fast ice he rolled over the rope so it looped around his shoulders this time. The line held Togo pulled the separated ice flow across roster channel allowing Sepah and the other dogs to crossover to him. They made it back to the coast in one piece all. Oh thanks to Togo. Sepah made sure to repay the favor. Favor throughout the next decade Togo and SEPLA inseparable one friend. Remote one does not speak of one without mention if the other when they weren't working they were playing. Sepulveda loved to romp with Togo at night. Trying to grab the dog's paws as Togo danced around him when they were tired out after a long run Togo would simply sit next to Sepah by the fire. Even as Togo got older he was still separate lead dog by the start of nineteen twenty. Five Togo was twelve years old. He may not have been as spry as he used to be. But the forty eight pounds. Siberian Husky was just as strong as it's Wednesday slipped that harness over his head when he was a puppy he also gained a wealth of experience in his years. Leading settlers teams. Togo knew every inch of trail throughout the Alaskan wilderness. He could recognize every sent here every subtle change in the ice underneath his feet with his canine senses. He knew those trails better than any human ever could and that knowledge was about to be pushed to its limit in January nineteen twenty five CEPA and Togo were were recruited for their most important job yet. An emergency six hundred. Seventy four mile relay to bring a case of diptheria theory of serum to nome Diptheria is one of the world's deadliest diseases when unvaccinated and untreated entreated. Populating in the back of the throat diptheria bacteria create a thick membrane. That makes it nearly impossible to breathe because of these symptoms. Symptoms the highly contagious airborne. Disease is colloquially known as the Strangler and once Diptheria has you in its grip it rarely. Let's go before proper treatment. Nearly half of all cases were fatal. Unfortunately Diptheria early stages can be easily mistaken for a sore throat or tonsillitis without modern day medical technology. It's difficult to tell the two apart art until it's too late in nome. That's exactly what happened on Christmas Eve. Nineteen twenty four gnomes town. Dr Curtis Welsh diagnosed a seven-year-old girl with tonsillitis US thinking that all she needed was bedrest. Dr Welsh result to check up on her once. The holidays ended. She was dead three days later. Although Dr Welsh wrote in his journal that tonsillitis can turn fatal. Such cases are extremely extremely rare. In retrospect he was almost certain she died of Diptheria though vaccine was invented in nineteen eighteen. Twenty three in one thousand nine hundred twenty five. The only available remedy against Diptheria was a serum created using diptheria resistant. Horse blood. Normally talk to Welsh kept US stock of Diptheria Serum the hospital however entered recently expired. And the new batch had ordered never arrived arrived with no serum. Dr Welsh had no hope of treating a diphtheria outbreak. He could only cross his fingers and hope that he was wrong. He wasn't a by January twenty when he first two more children had died from definitive diptheria cases. Dr Welsh knew that without a new batch of serum the disease would spread through gnome like a wildfire that same day he sent an urgent telegram to the. US Army Signal Corps for requesting an emergency diptheria serum delivery as the government scrambled to locate the nearest serum cash. Nome City City Council tackled another problem. How to get it there? The nearest railroad was in Nina. Six hundred seventy four miles goes to the east of nome and while there was a group of aviators willing to risk of flight the only planes available were older models with open. Cockpits pits with temperatures hovering around thirty below. Zero Alaska's governor wasn't willing to entrust the serum to such a risky venture ultimately the city council settled on the tried and true method of dog sledding. There was only one hitch. Normally the journey from Nana to nome took a Mushin team twenty five days to get the serum to nome faster after the council decided to get it there via relay one dog team would take the serum halfway from Nanna to known a second would meet them the and bring it back whoever drove the second team had to be an exceptional musher. They would have to get to the halfway point as quickly as possible. Then turn back around and head for GNOME at top speed. There was only one team for the job. Leonard Ed Sepulveda and Togo to make such a long haul Sepla decided to take twenty twenty of the thirty six. Huskies he had in his Kennel. Normally he wouldn't take so many dogs to carry such a light load however speed lead was of the essence. He and Togo needed all the help they could get. But even with such an urgent mission there was still still some dogs separate thought one up to the task. One of them was a six year. Old Dog named Balto. mm-hmm like Togo. Balto was a Siberian Husky. He was stuck here in Togo with black for everywhere except for a white chest and forelegs made it look like he was wearing socks. Although Balto was strong he wasn't particularly fast. He rarely ran with settlers principle teams and was mostly used for freight transportation with a big boxy body and a barrel chest Volta. It was always eager to work but SEPLA decided he would be sitting this one out. He needed his best dogs for the serum. Run BALTO wasn't one of them as SEPLA prepared his team for the long run ahead of them. A batch of serum was finally located in Anchorage on January twenty six. It was immediately sent on a northbound train to Nina. Once it arrived the serum run would would officially begin the morning of the twenty seventh Leonard. CEPA left nome the halfway point of the Lotto with Togo leading the way he would travel three hundred fifteen miles in just a few days and then turn around and do it all again. The weathe- was a bracing twenty degrees below zero. For many this temperature would be assigned to stay inside and drink hot chocolate by the fire. But for CEPA in Togo it was perfect sledding weather with clear skies and no wind the team set off on this sprint to the east as the sled skim through gnomes quiet streets. He's a crowd gathered to see Sepla off as Togo led the charge. GNOMES beleaguered residents couldn't help but feel a swell swell of hope if anyone could safely deliver the serum and Togo kings of the Alaskan Alaskan trail as they want hunched frame disappear in the distance. The cheering crowd quieted their hope. nope turned to fear as the full force of what lay ahead hit them. If the Diptheria Serum didn't reach nome the highly contagious disease would continue to spread unabated and as a deadly blizzard began to brew. Sepah and Togo I would have to use. Every ounce of their hard earned knowledge to survive the race coming up. Leonard Sapolu and Togo auto tested in ways. They never imagined now. Back to the story on. January Henry twenty-seventh nine hundred twenty five forty seven year old Leonard Sepah and his twelve year old dog Togo left from nome to participate in a massive massive dogs leading relay to transport a case of diptheria serum with no other way to get the medicine through the Alaskan Interior. It was up up to these brave rushes to save nome from being ravaged by this deadly disease but even if they got to the intended rendezvous do of Nolato them might not be any serum for them to pickup Leonard Sepah may have been the most accomplished Musher Alaska Oscar had ever known but the territory's governor knew that even he would struggle to complete the arduous six hundred and thirty mile round trip that that was asked of him if the serum was going to get to know SEPLA would need some help on January thirtieth more mushers were called to join the relay although Leonard supple would still take the most perilous leg other teams would help relieve his burden and instead of relaying the vials of serum villages and INS. They'd hand them off on the road instead. Head for ultimate expedients. One of the additional men called in to participate in the relay was settlers co worker forty two year old Ghana Carson. Before he left Sepah had given costs and permission to use his dogs. In case taste the mining company. They worked for needed anything if he did. Seth Lotto constant use a Siberian Husky named Fox as his lead dog. But kasin didn't like Fox he liked Balto source. Some of himself in Balto like Balto Causton was stuck doing menial work while Leonard. SEPLA became famous for his racing victories and speedy deliveries everyone in the Alaskan interior new new suppler and Togo while Qasim and Balto toiled in the background ignoring sepulchres advice. Khasan clipped Balto into the lead position on his gang line he had no idea how consequential that choice would be. As Sepah and Togo sped along the coast of the Bering Sea. They were unaware of the new strategy for the relay since it's time was of the essence the serum wouldn't be waiting for them. At a roadhouse. It would be latched onto an oncoming sled team. This team was racing to meet Sapolu and hand off the serum on the trail if Zappala decided to go off trail like wild bill Shannon had or if a snowstorm snowstorm reduce the visibility. The two teams could Possi- each other without knowing it. If that happened a far less experienced Russia Shah would be forced to undertake the most dangerous parts of the relay crossing the Norton. Sound the the same area where Sepah and his team would have died years before. Had it not been for Togo known as the Ice Factory Factory. The Norton sound posed huge risks to dog sledding teams in addition to its ever changing ice formations. The wind speed could reach up to seventy miles per hour on top of the risk of the wind flipping a sled and tossing dogs and men alike into the air. The powerful GAELS could could create a wind chill of an unfathomable one hundred degrees below zero when the temperatures drop that low. Oh a person's breath Confrrari's the moment. It leaves their lungs. If Sepah became stranded out on the sound in in such unfavourable conditions. He wouldn't loss long and early on the morning of January thirty first. A storm was brewing. Settlers team had already traveled nearly a hundred and seventy miles in a little over four days with the winds picking up. He knew it was only a matter of time until the Norton sound became impossible to navigate. If Sepah was forced forced to take the overland route it would increase the journey by at least a day but every day lost was another day diptheria gained and he decided to take the risk. It turned out to be the right decision and the wind from the growing storm was actually et. CETERA is back the extra boost allowed Togo and the other dog to speed over the Norton Sound at an astounding twenty three miles miles per hour as cephalopod-fishing cap called Unger Lick the dogs picked up even more speed. Suppler couldn't believe leave it. They were practically flying down the trail up ahead. He could see what had gotten Togo and the other so excited there was another dog team up ahead stuck in the snow. There was a reindeer on the trail and the dogs lines had become tangled angled in their attempts to chase after it but Togo was more disciplined than these other dogs keeping his teammates and check. He pulled Septa. Hello sled right past the embattled musher normally Sepah would stop and see what was wrong but the mission was more important as much as it pained him Sepla kept going once again. The tailwind from the growing storm saved the day. It carried the stranded. sledders shouts allowing Sepla to hear his fateful words the serum the serum. I have it here. Sepah immediately slammed on the sleds break and turned around. The new relay plan had nearly Lee ended in disaster but now SEPLA had the serum. He only had a few more hours before. The Storm made the Norton Unsound Impossible if he was lucky. It was late afternoon and the sun had already gone down. The wins that approved so helpful on the eastbound journey was now a punishing headwind. It was so loud allowed that sepulvado wouldn't be able to hear any indication that the ice was cracking. If they were going to make it back across the northern sound safely settlers settler would have to once again put his total faith in his trusty sidekick CEPA clicked his tongue and Togo ton. The this led to the left racing across the Norton Sound. The Path was dangerous but cephlon knew it was a risk. They had to take with so many lives hanging by a thread every second counted. Thanks for listening to dog tales. Every dog has his day and Ave holiday is mondays. We'll be back then with part two of Togo and Balto story as the Diptheria crisis deepens. These heroic dogs will fight the elements to deliver the serum to nome. You can find more episodes of dog tales and all other parkas originals for free on spotify. Not only does spotify already. Have all of your favorite music. But now spotify making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like Doug Tales sales for free from your phone desktop or small speaker to stream dove tails on spotify. Just open the APP and type dog tales in the search bar. Several of you have asked to help us if you enjoy the show. The best way to help is to leave a five star review and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. Join US next week for another good story about a good dog. Folktales was created by Max Cutler is reduction of Cutler media and his parts at the podcast network it is produced used by Maxon Ron Cutler sound design by Trent Williamson with production assistance by Ron Shapiro Joel Stein and Carly Madden this episode of Dog. Tales was written by Alex Benetton. I'm Alison Modem.

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From the vault: Passing Shot meets... The Wimbledon Groundsman and the pursuit of grass court perfection

The Passing Shot Tennis Podcast

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From the vault: Passing Shot meets... The Wimbledon Groundsman and the pursuit of grass court perfection

"Hello Ladies and gentlemen welcome to the passing show Joel and Kim here we are actually on some holidays at the moment taking a little break from recording say we're going to be using this time to launch a brand new series of the passing show which we're calling from the vote and from the vote will basically be a series dedicated to from time to time. Re uploaded favorites from her back catalogue episode that we've handpicked that we consider some of our best to put out on the show. Yes, Joe say for. For All I from the episode, Wigan on what would have been the grass court season, and I go back to last summer. When we see will, he is otherwise known as the Wimbledon. groundsman. Some of you may follow him on twitter and the with a lovely Feta's the blades from sap nineteen, so if you're ever interested in, you know how they prepare the courts that we're modern or once in behind the scenes, knowledge about maybe grow your own back garden. Then have a listen again. We've really enjoyed recording this. and. We hope you enjoy listening to it for the first time all four, perhaps the second time. Yes, and we will of course be back with a brand new episode next Sunday where mean came will be doing a catch up on the craziness that's happened in the tennis world over the last month or so sal. Hey, we can, of course join us for that, but now I'm going to hand it back to myself from about twelve months ago and the F. site happy listening. Gentlemen thank you. Have, you ever wanted what the Wimbledon ground stuff dude. Other fifty weeks of the tennis, year. Well, we're about to find out. Let's play. Everyone and welcome to the passing shot extra slice where we put the spotlight on one topic from tennis road. I'm Joe Wondering while Card and as always I'm joined by the self-confessed Queen of Clay came Kim. How you doing today? Hijo very good. Thanks they. Despite being the Queen of Trae I'm going to have to Don microscopy. She's for this episode because we have a very special guest joining us. To talk all things gross courts. Yes, we do. We have will Brierley on the show Aka the. Art A. GROUNDSMAN ON TWITTER AKA. The Wimbledon Groundsman Aka that guy when you go to Wimbledon, you see the grass courts, and they look at Sudi seen absolute perfection wills wills. You guy how you doing well. Thank show came. How's it like at the moment? What's what's going on in Wimbledon? The minute were. Obviously and build up for the tournament. Lots of. Time Pre Stanton's mock as being bill around site. Finishing touches sharing that from the. Painters and Decorators around obviously were hardware His. Busy time. Everything's going well minus. And I can eat briefly explain. What your role is Wimbledon, what is it? So I'm. Chania grindstone for the championship coach. So my role until recall into. Neil Sibley head coaching culture. I'm working alongside. Practice course as well. So between the three of his way, Organiz the work for the team. About the daily jokes. and. How did you get into this role world because it's quite a niche profession, so did you kind of always in enter end up being. A groundsman is grounds keeping the correct terminology for for your profession. Were staff. Syrup Grimes GRANDPA MOM. Yeah, no I didn't always plan on being. Agrarians groundsman kind of wanted to be a state you, which was pretty boring. and. A levels didn't. Go to plan. saw. I decided to change tax and. Find a course a college impression. Round my for college. To do a diploma in Rasual. So I applied to that thinking if I can get into this second work at Liverpool and. Poland get to watch the football was. And so after after being there for for a year, they when? The Northern Montana Manchester. From the head groundsman there to Wimbledon after picnics, Brandon for a little bit decided my next placement with A. Wimbledon show. Of course add to six month work, placement and Thankfully got second on some stuff in two thousand five Wimbledon. Look so much wanted to go back two thousand and six. One of the members of the team. decided it was time for change for him so. He won't Adore took full time position and. Ever since so, you've been quite a while. I imagine Wimbledon's changed Wilbert. It's changed a lot over over those years that you've been there. What? What's the biggest change I guess in terms of the ground in terms of your world. What do you feel about the big changes, but? In terms of my role so. Much started way down on the summer stuff. On, just say I was fortunate enough two thousand six to take on full-time. when Neil took over from Eddie say would. Back in twenty twelve with his regional, the department I was fortunate in Tacoma Promotion. And you've witnessed of changes a we've got. We've got to reeves now when Modin. OV- redevelopment! Has Has the road itself that work that you do as as it more difficult, has improved or been many significant changes to kind of your web laid with that. No show. Obviously the rooms are the big big change over the last ten years. there's been lots of other redevelopment, so the southern coats were already developed to new to in court three. But when we build a new, there's always a lot of consultation beforehand the. Will ever build around. A call has to give us. The best opportunity to produce awoke lost. So fight fully. Our management of the colts hasn't changed drastically and for his consistencies case, so it doesn't matter. Register anybody playing on sensical on one of the practice, so one of the ice I championship should essential. Alam management of each and every call is similar. Obviously different environments do bring different challenges, but. For the most part everything we'll talk to listen. And it's of course like a fulltime job throughout the whole year. But how does it vary to kind of what you're doing now in the build up to the tournament on during the tournament itself. Is it like completely? All hands on Deck Mad? Do you sort of? Long for the tournament to finish that you can put your feet up for bear, or or what's your favorite part of the year to work on? Your, no I think that was one of the questions. Did. You do the other fifty weeks. Back. Yeah no for so we're a members club who host the tournament where? We're open all year round. Shall we thirty-eight Grasso sweepstakes. Click striving door until acrylic that we have the money around We, we never really stopped were always. We're always only shown in prom. But this time of year actually. We've don't allow hard work. So from spring is calm before the storm, but. It is a little bit. Yeah, it's almost just managing the courts now three to the tournament. It's very basic going on at the moment as coaching mocking. The occasional spray. Maybe a role is just a case of getting everything looking nice night. Show in all the boys are probably going out and making wage adrain. Yeah, you know again. The will hand shears I just clipping the edges on things that So, yeah, no, he's very much a calm before store. Our real work kicks in. After the tournament, so there's no no time to put your That's when we shot renovations so. Our busiest time of year from. The, end of July then three. Wow. That's probably different. Maybe Mesa Valley stays would think we thought that. Kind of tasty manic during the championships I mean. Do you get a chance to watch much tennis? Slow kind of. Thing just to watch. China's just to make sure the bowl's plan while we don't. See a bad bowl bound show. I'll watch a little bit. On definitely Washer I get on center. will be around in the final. Well Yeah. We're way of being open for members from. Mid, may coral cell, getting the chance to. Watch and assess the coats and not time as well. And obviously a little bit of. An extra. Chancellor Kohl one this year with a Colin celebration. We will watch tonnage. I'm sure at one place to. Have the cause. To remain anonymous. I'm sure if they see you walking around and that they want to pin pin the blame on. But no I mean the course always pretty fantastic, and is that one of the challenges ee? I'm sure you have extremely high standards, so you quite critical. Of the smallest kind of change I see you measure of different things everyday. Is that correct to make sure infer steen? Yeah, so I think that's A. Any job job. Whatever industry you only gets the top by being. Over, critically show from. Education Guy Sitting around the table you'll. Only what they think. But uh I mean. If anybody was to say you know I've techniques call as far as I can? Then is clearly not the to them. Always looking for? A minute be a massive improvement if we can look for one or two percent every time we dacians and We're always looking crew, so yeah, we are! We are over critical. As pushy as well I'm. What would you say kind of the biggest the biggest challenges you face? I mean in my head I feel like you're constantly in a battle with the British weathe- is out that say. Yeah. Usually. The biggest challenges the weather because it's the only thing you can control. So! Yeah, forecast can give you a good idea, but occasionally not always correct. So every morning. You are you on BBC. Weather reports check in the weather and seeing what it is. South West London. Will probably have a by two or three weather up on the goals to be fair just? Checking against each other to say what were. So we'll have ABC. Weather will often met offish and we'll have an ally Graham Raider. So we'll be monitoring all free just to check on the tournament. We have the metal fish on sites, and we have Michio Francis well. Who can give us really good? Local weather for catch. An definitely our biggest challenge. And then the second to be also. One of our list is. Leads she she was wondering. The staff in the green outfits that come rushing onto the court when it rains they. Paul of of the grounds keeping stopped they. Just for the tournament, or how much involvement do you have with? Cool covering. The. The guys that you'll see on senator that rollout groundstaff. Unfortunately, we don't have enough grand stuff to put him on Rico. CLI-. Thinking surrounded by. One hundred sixty goal coverage. Not sure the whole. Bill the PISS well. So we'll have I. Find it, Robson. On some automakers to. Mentioned for the tournament. Shell tend to be UNI student to. Looking for On Jeb Few, guys come into the training Rom, and then they report to kneel. On a day to day basis journalism. On top of those. Show here. And Detroit sensical number, one call differently to the outside courts. Is there like extra extra measures especially attention? You know because if the. Situation. Does it make a different different challenge? Brings a different challenge because the stadium around eight shaw restrict flow a little bit. Restrict. As I, said before consistency is case. If we were to train those coats massively different would end up playing massively different. That's not not what we want. So we've lost airflow. We've shook lamented. With fans on light unit. But we'll, have on court one call eighteen. Assuming the bipolar show. Unique in that sense Chhaya. Rush probably. FM to call also. And I. When I've been at Wimbledon. I've noticed on the side of central. You've got the number that keeps changing when there's kind of rain in the air and I'd never noticed it before. And I think it was just A. Friend of Mine at Oh. Yeah, that relates to kind of how likely it is that they're going. Stop playing again and so we was always watching the number. Can you just kind of explain what those numbers roughly means? Is it higher the number, the better the more chance of playing? Those numbers are actually. Kind of code for the. Akane so. When asa a number goes up about tells them what to do. Show as zero. Means that there's no chance of rain can relax a little. On a wall means that they're on standby, so there's a chance of ransomware. On I forget all in number nine. As Covertly empires discretion. Threes Copa. Whatever? The numbers work through them for inflate and deflate on cooperate. On getting the court I. Yeah because the. H. Coca Marine. TAME has a supervisor. The supervisor wouldn't be able to get Ryan quick enough. Saw Gross numbers that just deflect teams know I be doing. Yeah, it's good because I just felt like if I had an indication of how sooner obey before it started coming, underscore, you gotta plan more to during the rain delay. But and also used to oversee worked Wimbledon for a number of years. How was the Olympic Year Two thousand twelve? Different because oversee to get everything ready for the Olympics and I think they were about a month after the championships was. An absolute nightmare to deal with. A quick return around there's only twenty days actually between final. Wimbledon earned the start of the Olympics short. As. We've ever seen we have to. Go through trials and tribulations of what we think would work best to get those grass-court boxer we. We actually did three years testing. Different methods of. The baseline renovations just so that we could. Have those quotes When it came to twenty twelve. We actually won't Check out during the tournament in the stage of the second way we were actually. In renovation, some of the Olympic Yano I was really busy year, and by the way wasn't on our side at all year. So! Really interested in Heinz. You know massive really to be a appalled. And can on Seinfeld for the work that we've done in three waking tha that. Really good position so. Thankfully all the press. Voglio and picks on was really. It was. It was hard work, but it was well worth it. Now. It's Great I. Mean It was? It was both fantastic events so i? Don't remember there being any any complaints about the quality. Yeah, just shows how much you know your stuff. And how your standards to say hi, it's great if you expect for us once like events are ova. What what happens to those do they get to? They get dug up, but they just kind of like. Brown, or they just come on the ground, and then the grass kind of appears like. Six months later today. What how house kind of odd you adio process? And also pretty much tournament finishes. Way have the Monday. We do a little bit of more, and we'll fertilizer courts on the tournament, and then on the Tuesday the members of playing again. And, then from that will shot renovation, so we'll always start. In the last few years actually started first on court one just because. With the roof build the build is about to get again, but we usually shop I saw. The chairman will have much the Wednesday after the tournament that we saw. Some moisture back into the profile. Will Spike it and then. You we. We. Take all the grass off. On them will. Will we're? GonNa scarring fire three will say that and. It will get covered for wait. Online after wait yet will be back on it show. Is Tried and tested method Auber. Choir here is neither. So it's a central number one core. Are they literally just used for competitive tennis just for two weeks in the air or Yeah so happen at Wimbledon the only time that. Has Been used for anything else other than the tournament. Was celebration when we had the roof testament. On the Olympics. So the before tournament. We have Tokai testing whether they have a little bit of a much. On then like I said Wednesday after the tournament, the champion plant, but other than that is literally just One again is mainly tournament play, but we have had. To Davies on the shop at Wimbledon and. The Olympics Hi! This is Joe from the passing shot. Thanks for taking the time to listen to show. We supported by everyone of fans in the passing show community, and if you WANNA become one of them and get the latest updates from your tennis, catch up service, and all you need to do is follow us on twitter. Instagram I'm facebook. Passing shot. And if you like what you hear, and will tell your friends or leave us a rating and subscribe. Thanks for listening. And will. Have you ever had any kind of unique wildlife? Situations to deal with any birds or bugs or anything. That's been a bit problematic for the girls. Now we don't tend to get too much. Fox's are are big big problem. Where we, Shit. We're kind of in between a Wimbledon Park Golf course coast. Wimbledon common shy candidates used bit as a rat room by the focus. On. If they decide the. One of our. Next to pay them. We'll show we notice A. Change in an area. Depended on Fox aerobics. Fox's. Tense ago. Give a flush growth. Whereas fixes kilograms show. Yeah? We can tell what's been through. We get a bird Though fly Rantel whitetail unsettling. Quail pigeons when it comes to renovation time seat. But. For the most part were with because the always so busy, yeah! Were were quite good for. Animals. We approach. With transis the winter. I could've sworn. That was like a breakout of like popping ans- or something on insects on the on the court did I. Is that Roy and I think we did have. Flying on a few years ago. Quite sure that came from senior. Come around grind for a few days and go again, but yeah, we definitely. I think I was just. Probably the one of the. Tournaments? On just. A. Couple of days Komo punishing. Coke it tastes as Peschiera. And will add you mentioned that you as a team responsible for like the Bank of England sports ground for the qualifying, do you? Do you deal with the course there for the collies? Show the Bank of England, have their own tame. They also have molly spoil, so they also have. Cricket Rugby I'M SO managing the Chinese Colton. Field! Here aren't. We have a little bit of input as to. You know kind of what we expect from from a tennis. But? They've got really good team down saw. I'm. Not would. You say it's the grass to? Unique to Wimbledon if I went to Nottingham E. Majorca I duNNo. Will they cross be a little bit different to how it plays to compared to women, or is it like? Quite similar? Independence, I think for the most part. The Grand Chef Asian Shimla crush me. Oh, come on, be a bit different. More warranties season. But most of the British. Graphical unusual be used in perennial ryegrass. I think Queens possibly using. Awesome within a bit different, but Again it. It. Kind of change. In the nineteen with mild, busted with the decided to start looking at the best grasses for tench what you can never been done before. So, from that, there is a list produced. I've possibly I think it's the top forty grasses for tennis. We tend to take from the top ten. Afraid Different goals involves a perennial ryegrass. So I think. For the most part around the country perennial Ryegrass as the best. Sieges to to establish. It certainly the bashful Dr, tolerance, tolerance and everything. So. What you're saying is if I want to have a sensical in the back of my garden. Get some get some perennial right. into the. into the mix. I mean it's. Not exactly unique when you can. Get a decent perennial ryegrass. We probably have a premium for bone specific to. For what we need for tolerance and Dr Tolerance some. Disease Things. There's a science into little RESI. And if anyone did wants to get involved in. In this kind of failed. Did you offer apprenticeships, so that wooden might something like a scheme that you did or which recommended someone? Went and studied beforehand or can learn on the job. What would you recommend? Anyone wants to get involved. Yeah I mean. Kind of an industry of love. You're not going to be able to retire faulty, but perseverance and. Like I say I had a big lavish spoilt before In this career on. Mountain to. Books. prestigious. Drove me on for. For young kids get into the industry. There are apprenticeship schemes. We don't currently remote. I know reminds coll-college the apprenticeship schemes. All you could go go to college should a sports? You can go online to degree in sports management. Or you know CIANCI Rahm. Give Local Football Kobo Cricket Club. Unload on the job. Shop Right I think Qui-. Quite a few people look after some well local first and then. Start Moving to. Not Everybody's fortunate as me. A. The pinnacle now. In terms of Wimbledon do you ever? Go like cross border, not like an cricket or football or rugby to like a no share learnings on how to you know manager? Piece of grass does that ever happen? Yeah, of course. Gross dependent on spatial is all means the same thing, only food only today trump's. football pitch. Tennis court. Essentially, the same thing as the management of afterwards the changes. Under ideas. You know somebody in football. Mike Komo. Transferable of its tennis all. Things that we're doing in. Tennessee are transferable over to cricket. The certainly a lot of. Crossover that way. But essentially your your block. Grassi. Managed by Asia. Doing things. And in terms of the future do you also tend to grow scores? Any other venues such as Wimbledon Park Golf Club so potentially a lot more new courts at the site expanding. So how how did you see the role of the moon groundsman evolving like you're GonNa have to take a more star for, and is it going to become more mechanize we? How much of the job is of been replaced with? Technology and very bots perhaps. So? Yeah, so the clubs always owned the land of of course. It was just laced to the Gulf, Costello. Of got released back early. Show the plan. obviously where they only grow on that. Don't bold qualifying onsite vote in the by. Down at the bank, of England. On the idea is. Any player that's come to play Wimbledon. Qualifying almendral should have that Wimbledon experience. So at the the plan is definitely to build. Enough colts across the roads. So that we can hold. Qualifying. And give every play that experiential. Will definitely be checking more staff. will check no more godless. You know it's not just. Just the colts has got to be a a landscaping marriage well. So yet. We're going from a full Ta. Ka Site for two one hundred fifty one way. Taking. That role on as well as The ranch Pope Community Sports Grand, which by three miles down the road thoughts. Another area that we own. We have communities tiny. there are six grass courts at the moment, but. Where Straw a building works to build sixteen than the. can be used in the build up to the tournament for practice and as part of. The club. Ambition to more in the community. Were Able Awful Tennis I. Was a London Golf Club. Allow Tennis Club. Bill in the next five years s amazing I had no idea. It was such a yeah. The plans to kind of expanses. You will definitely be kept busy. May Rest of the way Kit. And just another random question. I am always very impressed by I. Think you kind of alluded to this earlier by the standards of the grounds. The, presentation, it looks very beach for and I. Think Wimbledon for me is the prettiest slam into. I love. The flowers dotted around. The grounds are those flowers is done by a separate team of gardeners? Today Hire D-, denying bringing people in just to just do the flowers. Or they all Yahweh to make noise for the members. Yeah so the gardeners use to become tried to. Until a few years ago when it came in highway, Neither phone. Neal's remain is head of Holy co-chair show. We have a team of gardeners. Led by Martin felt. Darla on had gotten. Leith Epcot Timoth, eight! FULLTIME Anna. Good looking nice for two weeks, but we have. A membership Nice year end as well. So those guys are not they've they really do work out and. Thrive with an additional eight. GODLESS! Tile with the chargers. overlay La and. All the extra work. On this show. Becomes quite a big thing. And I guess it's old going towards that that attention to detail and. With this acquisition of new land I think in maintaining that. Details can become even more even more challenging. Yeah definitely I mean. If you're walking down down a path a new CEO awaited. Pick it out. Or something's not in its right place. On its drilling Athos into team, not not live innate drilled into them, but any any member stuff foot comes in be a new full-time member of one of our so much stock. In all from from the off of the level in expectation. That, we won't so. Next few years we might might get a little bit more in oil. Things like that when when we've got new builds coming in. But Definitely attention to detail round A. Big. The seat for perfection. Shoes, greatness. Greatness sorry yeah. Women Marketing, marketing stuff going. I love as well on the twitter account. De Run that is that. Is that your little baby I agree with you that kind of local on and because I, love the pictures that you always putting up. It's really good insight into kind of your up tee. Off Shore, I wrote my show. On. How long ago Austar adopt. As kind of one of those. Very wet February mornings and I was thinking. That question that we get what you do the other fifty weeks, Sierra. Aso I! Be An interesting thing to. To Stop. What kind of interest we could get. You know having looked on twitter before in. Shinola grimes around the country endanger actions. They having purdue open a few doors. In idea sharing things. but yeah. No eight took off in a massive way. Just past fourteen thousand followers. A suddenly. Much be of interest to some people. But. Yeah, no I. Share, the photos and Share photos of the team and. Be Able to give them. A thanks on a public platform as well, yeah. Give me say thank you to them in the in the cost Agen. If they can say that saw thanks going. Just throw them on a little bit as well. And in terms of. You mentioned your Liverpool fat and perhaps more and football. You said You watch the tennis. Do you have any particular? Favorite? Players got to meet many of the players from working narrow. Will have the practice. Wait before the tournament. We kind of have to police the amount of time. The players have on Koa Ron. So you get you get a little bit of interaction with them wake. Shuttling more than during the on a very focused on. But you, can asking you know class in high? They feel the courts plane role. Shut me off a bit of a chat and. Young. Players Kind of I. Don't know if it's just myself but. kind of faint while this. Now Roger Federer Dollar Andy Mario Off The these guys are at the top of their game and. They'RE GONNA be. Got Why do I have to say twin. Sister. And always receptive. To chat unless there's no as Greece as a bomb. EASTBOUND charge. Tokens you're a regular person. As Brilliant Sean. That's great well. It's been fantastic having nothing we've certainly learned. that we had no idea of how and I think what I got to Wimbledon this year, I'm going to be looking extra and appreciating all the work that you and your team. A Joe that you have anything else that you want. To put too well while we've got the pleasure of having on. Came Meka Guy Wimbledon. I'm probably going to get back my garden and start on my own central now I've got the learning. To make in court, but no, it's been great. It's been great having you on. Just. Remind us what was your. Where can people follow you on twitter? I'm on twitter. A. OTC grows. I'm sure all our listeners will be. They already fully I'm sure they'll be following and watching out especially in the in the build up now to the tournament as you said. who hard at work and posting pictures insights into the job, so yeah, it's really fascinating and yeah, thank you once again for coming on. It's been it's been a pleasure. A good. So that wraps it up for this episode of the passing show extra slice. We'll be back next time with a another tennis fueled episode of the passing shot. which we hope you can join us for, but for the meantime thank you and goodbye.

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NASA, SpaceX and Virgin Orbital

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NASA, SpaceX and Virgin Orbital

"Love this podcast support this show through the ACOSS support a feature. It's up to you. How much you give and there's no regular commitment. Just hit the link in the show description to support now. Fifteen seconds guy internal. Mission sequence. Space Nuts. To Five radio. Feels good. Hello again and thank you for joining us on this. The two hundred and fourth addition off the spice nuts podcast. It's to have your company yet again and joining me as always. Is Professor Fred Watson? Astronomer at lodge for aid, good I might was. That was pretty ordinary. It's terrible. It's not something that. Native could really handle. You can always pick a fake. But Yeah place I'd do it again. Today. We've got a couple of launch stories to talk about involving space, X and Virgin. One that may or may not happen, and my own might not have happened by the time people heard podcast and the other. That did happen, and then it didn't. So. We'll talk about that. A new planet formation has been discovered by the the the bail to sandwich telescope, or the Veil Tae as we call it the very large telescope. And we've got a couple of questions. One about redshift and we've got an audience question from Giuliano in Wellington new, which will get stuck into soon I'll lock his question because it does bring up some philosophical concept in terms of intellectual or extraterrestrial intelligence, finding us, and we have talked about that before. In terms of how would the world react if I discovered tomorrow that there's extraterrestrial life? Intelligent life, but what if they found US I? Is What we're going to be talking about today, so we gotta tackle all of these questions and situations on spice nuts, so let's start off with space x Fred they run basically gearing up for launch this week, which may or may not have happened by the time people are listening to this podcast and I think the problem they facing at the moment is weathe-. Andrews so yet, we we kind of hope guest. Both you and I are hoping that this is redundant information by the time. The podcast reaches the if that's that's one of the two pillars of act, they have raised in for Bang, adequacy and redundancy exactly achieved by the. John well well yeah. We'll redundant anyway. story well with covering. From where we sit at the moment, less than twenty four hours before the launch. It's very exciting. We have the first crude mission from the United States. Since the space shuttle to US astronauts bank. Doug Hurley. and. By Crossley, the SPACEX FALCON nine is the. The Launch Vehicle and the crew dragon is the capsule will carry these two astronauts into orbit it, and of course it will be launched from thirty nine am to get canaveral whether the fives and the shuffles left from so a big moment in spice, history and I am very excited about it. I think many people. It it, it's not just about national pride the fact that the two. American astronauts have had to use of the Science Shuttle Service. Spacecraft. For the last nine years to get up and down to the space station, that of course is something that they quite came to move away from just to give more flexibility as anything else, but it's also cheaper. It's SPACEX can do it cheaper than most cosmos can do buy quite a significant margin It's not a cheap trick to a bitch Andrew The. Have you got any ideas how much it costs? well I I. CanNot go what to actually do the whole deal and get one into space going to be? A little bit more. A bit more specifically, the cost per seat for an astronaut. civilian astronaut that that we're talking about in the tourism sector was what somewhere around a quarter of a million dollars mark. Imagine it'd be more for a space x launch. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Actually, that's really interesting. You should say that because the cheapest of those tourists. This was back in and this was again. Soy It's back in the early two thousands when spice adventures broke the deal between rich people and the Roscosmos at the the minimum charge, then was twenty million US dollars. That's Ron. That gave you a few days in the space station as well I think one of the customer probably pay twice that much, which is quite remarkable. But the cost the cost that NASA is being charged for astronauts, being ferried up and down to the space station is eighty five million dollars per seat. Though it's expensive and. SPACEX promises to bring that down significantly with I. think that took about fifty five million dollars each for the two astronauts that the flying. Today and a this space craft can hold a total of seven astronauts normally to onboard, so if you fill it up, it comes down significantly further, follow the figure of twenty million, but see it was only two because of social distancing requirement did not that I think he was always going to be what's happening. Over. The Stasi's actually even though it's the first flight is called Demo to make customer. One was the same thing, but doing all automatically with astronauts on board and not. Associated! Having having Bain Decay Canaveral and you mentioned the launch complex thirty nine I. really get a sense of scale when you're watching a launch on television, because everything's focused on on the rocket or the space vehicle, or whatever and and the countdown clock, but it is a massive complex I. Mean you look at over the The vastness of it you can say the different launchpads daughter live at applies. It is really quite remarkable. Facility are really enjoyed my divy at a time fantastic. So assign yet. Just saying because you know I've been there. But I will. There's not many places Doug Bane of astronomical. Niger that you haven't. Got A it when I can. Go. A hope that some day because it will be a wonderful place to visit so going back to the other space story we kinda. SORTA hanging in there. Is. The Virgin Ovitz Mission to blow I attempt to launching into a orbital launching spacecraft into orbit from. You of been reading about that. I think as well. Yes I'll have. This was a a launch that. I think was going very very well. And in fact I did release the launch vehicle from the belly of the seven, four seven jumbo. But then had to terminate. Something went wrong that they referred to as an anomaly normally. We don't yet know what that was You're absolutely right. And this self is pretty exciting because. Virgin orbits! Are Positioning themselves in the loan market for small spacecraft. That their rocket which? The example that was used the other day was called launch one. They tell it like it is. The editor of. Astronomy one on one very first class when you got a university study astronomy is this is how we name things. Keep it simple. So launcher one. And it's the class of spacecraft that it is can carry a up to about five hundred kilograms into orbit, thus half Italian, affectively, and they. The idea is that you you ferry up to about ten kilometres. Six miles altitude under the wing actually of the seven four seven. Something I didn't know is that. Sentence I think this might be standard across the whole range, have a a spare pilot underneath the wing, which was meant to be able to carry a spare engine. Ogle! Deny that actually. Until that modified to carry the rocket. The ideas fly up in the in the jet up to this height and then the rockets released. It's a the jet tilts upwards to release the rocket. The rocket then funds. It's moved in a way it goes. Up Too much higher altitude, and of course with the horizontal velocity it needs to get into orbit, so everything went brilliantly, apparently, except an including the the the the initiation of the burn they they press about. The rocket fired, but as you said, some anomaly sheltie down. We'll hear I'm sure about what happened. Virgin the Kinda Virgin. Group of companies. Overall and then not actually connected except in any in any of the night, but certainly Virgin Galactic Richard Branson's other pets. Pets a occupation. They've been incredibly tenacious with keeping going when things have not looked as other working all that while if got over huge numbers of hurdles and I suspect that same ethos probably permeates for Genova, even though the two are actually not connected. Virgin orbit will will I'm sure be working on other missions. They won't too soon because they clearly want to start trading getting to business. Absolutely. So I'm hoping and what? What? You? One was quite a big big rocket. It's neither twenty-one maters in link, which is pretty significant. Yeah! I'm hoping you'll ask be why they do it this way under. Why they dropped them from the belly of a plane, rather than sit setting. A launch from thirty nine and lighting the fuse down I would have guessed that it gives them some velocity to work with a sort of a bit of a speed advantage rather than a and saves fuel. Sick Yeah. That's probably true, but I think they're fairly marginal advantages and the high. Ten kilometers. You've gotta get up to half probably more like two hundred kilometers I i. believe it, so you're not really giving it a height advantage. Apparently, what really underpins this business model to do? This is the flexibility an in in many ways. We've got the perfect example because we've just been talking about the possibility of weather stopping the launch of of the Spice X. Crew screwing the, SPACEX. If you a flying your your jet, your saw your rocket aboard an aircraft. You can actually pick what you want to launch from pretty well. Go anywhere in the world. With with. A choice of the best weather conditions an also. You can play yourself so that. You're optimally. Positioned for the bit this thing whatever it is designed to go into economically We've got an advantage in being able to. Put it in the in the right position to get the rice so it's quite complex. Reasoning behind it, but virgin are I. Think Very Gung Ho about it. I think I think this is a winner in the in the small satellite launch launch arena. Yeah onshore they'll on at the anomaly and learn from that and they'll they'll. They'll work forward from there, and and they will have success I have no doubt about that and I do want to sort of just mention the seven four seven jumbo. What a great work host of an airplane that has been many many years and so versatile to be able to do everything from run cargo and passengers to be able to do launch vehicles like this. Trying if a mighty street I would suggest you probably not far off the mark there I think that's right, and you know extraordinary as you say extraordinary workhorse. I've only one in my life. Believe it or not. A! You're going to get on dozens. On the I three ID about five or six times, but only one seven four seven okay well. At the way, things are probably the only one. That I've spent a Lotta my life. Instead four sentences probably June going between Australia and Europe and yet always was reliable. Up to say the talk. About that. Stuff that's not not much of a difference. I love the idea, but sadly life by planes coming to the end of the working lives, because there are smaller cheaper, faster more efficient planes on the market, NASA. The whole ideation guy was set to change, and then covid nineteen came along China's two. Fold them anyway, but the future will be very different in aviation. We'll miss the seven four seven can tell you that. This is spice nuts with Andrew Dunkley and of course Fred. What's? 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Now, Fred let's talk about this This planet formation that's been spotted by the very large telescope, and it's only five hundred twenty light years away. I just saw the bass out the front. Stop to pick people up the go. Look those. Yet planetary work is a quarter reasonable distances at five hundred twenty years. it's in the. Star in the Constellation of or IGA, which is the charity and a northern constellation. Its name AB or and the tells you that it's actually A. Does. The two letters like that are always variable stars once a very brightness, but it's been of interest to Stalinist for quite some time. There is a team of astronomers based a actually fairly global group Franz Taiwan the US Belgium. These are scientists who are particularly interested in the star, but also the fact that it has what we call. A protoplanetary disk grounded a disk of material which is West Planet to forming. Now you and I spoke before about these things on the world's best telescope. Seeing them is Alma. The Atacama large millimeter array. In northern Chile he's also apartment not but the. Other countries all to Alma as a telescope that looks essentially the CSR the microwaves, if you like coming from a space, and it turns out that the energies that the dusty disks radiate at a detectable by Alma, and they've been greg at finding disks of dust around a around young stars where planet to being born, but what's now happened? Is that. How after? Observing. With Alma a few years ago, the same group of actually used a new instrument on the very large telescope down that A. Very far from Alma further south down in Chile in the mountains at in order to probe it even more. This new instrument is how she called fear. I can't remember what via stands for another Polar Matry, and that tells you something interesting about it that it looks it sensitive to. The polarization of light and that's very important. When you look at cloud, because dot dose I pull around is the light I guess. Most of our listeners will be familiar with polarized light from the UCF polarizing sunglasses they they let the vibrations in one direction through, but not the other. Direction on the basis of polar imagery so the the sphere instrument. Does that it also blocked off the parents stars see the details of things around it, and it's gotten adopted optic system. Capable of very high resolution imaging off. Things evolving dusty works in the infrared says that, but it's an infrared instrument, so you looking at the hate that these dust grains radiating until with sphere. They've produced. This new image of the dusky dusted the Oregon. And revealed the details got everybody very excited because I'm looking at the dusty disk I don't know about you Andrew. You probably can't listen I'm the time and it's pretty easy to on the web, but it looks like galaxies got that spiral structure to wait which were familiar with in gigantic spiral galaxies, which have Kasich Zillions of times bigger than this. But what's interesting when you look deep into the into the spiral structure not very far from the star itself. There's a kind of kuen-chen it a little twist where the spiral structure changes direction. And that is being highlighted as where a planet is actually the process of foaming, because what needs to columns of material, basically creating onto this. This planet with self will be rotating. And it's a really beautiful image. the the planet being formed as about as far from its parent star, as Neptune is from the sun, so it's kind of to Seoul assistant type thing, but to see with this king, the in the spiral structure, and realized that that's where a planet is being born. It's one of these things that. Raises, the has the knack. It's quite executive in, do we? Do we know what kind of planet it might turn into? Is it too early to say I think it is too early to say but. If there's any you know. If you can take any lessons from our solar system, it probably will be as a gas giant or an ice giant. Looking at Neptune as a as a role model for that Neptune may have a rocky Colt we we don't know. This planet may have to division less about hat. But. It's yeah. It's very exciting to say planet, Formation, inaction, and the thing that I. Guess makes it doubly significant. When theoretical astronomers built models of the white planets foaming. This these kinks exactly what you would expect to see where plenty she's actually in the process of formation, so they were predicted a now. They've been saying. Yes and another. Of stupid question from the peanut gallery. How long would a process like this take? Yeah and it's not a super question tool. you know we we? Think, the media has got hold of this, and said the instant of planet birth the instant probably. At route and millennials. So. I would guess it will be a measured in millions of years. It's maybe not too many. Because the the growing evidence that planet formation is relatively quick process, we used to think it took hundreds of millions of his but pundits more likely to be millions of tens of millions of the. So. This one's really in the early stages. Beginning. There's not really anything to see I mean. The problem is the five hundred twenty light years away. The planet itself is well below the resolution threshold leaving instrument likes fear, but but the the all the evidence. Is that this kink in the spiral structure while the twice colon? Very good about the way, Fred. Spectra polio metric high contrast, Exit Planet Research. That I'm the instrument. To the new is having the on the tip of attempt. Thanks for? On. A soon as you said, you didn't know what it meant a head to look it up, put my. Because I. Knew it was gonNA be some impressive combination, and it's early was. So as you can tell from that it was designed to look at exit. Plan is a planet in orbit around stars. Much near them. The Navy Oregon, but it's It is actually A. You know versatile instrument. You can use it for all kinds of things including the dusty disks of style of of young stars. Okay all right I'm clearly. We're GONNA have to white for the next stage of this this discovery we might have. Some couple million years or so, but will let you know I think. Is just on that point under. A So, this is the distance of Neptune from the sun, so it's going to be orbiting in a couple of hundred years of so once every two hundred years, so it certainly possible that if they same astronomers. US Ten instrument to look at the. Object in a decade they might see a difference in the in the shape in the structure of the might be defenses dishonorable. We should. Probably Doing So watch this space bomb scenario. Thirties. You're listening to the space nets podcast. It's episode two hundred and four. Andrew Dunkley with Fred Watson. Space nuts once again. A big shout and hello to all social media follow was whatever platform you may be on Youtube with at one point two five thousand subscribers. we've got people on the space. Nuts podcast group on facebook, and of course we have official nuts, facebook page, but we also. Will I also communicate through a whole series of other astronomy, facebook pages and social media platforms, and we caught often. Get comments there as well so hello to you. and. Thank you for listening to the spice nuts, podcast and Thank you for sending in your questions. We've got a couple of new questions. to deal with today Fred and we have an audio question today from Wellington New Zealand from Giuliano Hi Andrew Fred My name is Juliana I live in Wellington New Zealand. Might question is about extraterrestrial intelligence or rather about our own intelligence as seen by an alien race. I'm I've often. People say that any rights that's able to reach. Earth will be so superior to us that today would look like ants octa Pi Org chimps. Look to us. Do you think aliens may apply a sort of cosmic? Oh, baseline to define intelligence like for example, the capacity for self awareness, reasoning problem solving. Or dramatically altered environment I'm a longtime listener. I've also just read deterrent unique good week Andrew. I'm yet to summon the courage to read WanNa Fred's books but I'm sure I'll get there eventually. Thank you so much bye and Juliana. It does require a lot of courage to read what books. Books. I will I will say that now. Of course, not fabulous I got a couple of your straight. I'm looking at one right now. DOT CRAVING MAD! Stocking wires was was rinus upside Dan I like that one. This, Oh, and Juliana thank you for reading the terrain Ian `Nigma the feedback has been very very positive, a popular, enjoying the story and the twists in the story and so far nobody's come to me and said Oh I picked on. You are picked it on page forty two. Actually, someone did say that, but then I will wrong but yes, we now appreciate it now I'm Juliana question. Fascinates may because I love talking about serial off. And as I mentioned earlier, we did discuss through another question how humanity might react if we suddenly tomorrow learned, they was extraterrestrial, intelligent life, but Juliano's question sort of flips the coin. What if they found US first and ham might die PA-, save us. That is a really interesting question to to discuss and debate imagine I think so. It absolutely it is. Exactly US as Juliana says he asks exactly the right question. How do you define intelligence? And it's not an easy thing to define a thinking was if I remember rightly? It was Carl Sagan who. off the definition the intelligent. Species species is one that is functionally similar to ourselves. In other words that they excuse me, they have the you know the same sort of reasoning. Capacity is way too, but. that. Is only half the story really because yes, that our perspective of what it might mean, but if you put your self in a position of. A another intelligence species. I guess if going to be aware of our presence, they would need to be at least as intelligent as ourselves alluring television because they would have to have the technology. In order to you know in order to detect. There were other intelligent species in the universe. So that that. Suggests that. Yes, any intelligence patients found US would be more intelligent than we are. Perhaps the same. But would they? You know how would. Just unlucky. Lucky would they regard us as some? Well, these are interesting things. The goal kinds of behavioral problems that we don't have. I don't know it's it yeah, I think. As Giuliano says they might define. Intelligence says including the capacity self-awareness, reasoning problem solving an altering the environment of course which. is another definition that's been made a living organism is. But I. I it's it is hard to put yourself in that place. I guess the nearest. The nearest thing that comes to mind listened. I always come back to chestnut. My favorite science fiction movie, being two thousand and one a space odyssey, the end of that what you see is a benign intelligence, willing facts all the way through the messages, benign intelligence trying to. Push These athle- creatures in the right direction. Eventually turning them into nothing, but energy I think he's Gorlitz Wha, what happens at the end of IT Maybe you know that that will be an intelligence that. Likes the idea of bringing along other less intelligent species, but whether all intelligence will be like that is another. Question altogether. Certainly Stephen Hawking didn't thing they will be my easiest for breakfast. Yeah I think. Juliana is question was actually demonstrated in one of L. Ron, Hubbard's book, when and Spacey's came to Earth and I, didn't look at humans is anything but a A an animal lived on the planet that had no other. level of intelligence than any other animal on the planet. I'm just trying to think of the name of the book. And they made it into a movie which starred John, Travolta and it was. Designated the worst movie ever made. But it it. It demonstrates the exact question. The Juliana rises that the these islands turned up and did not see us as anything but a A passing interest and somewhere along the line, they discovered that we actually were intelligent, but It's a fascinating. Question and I, suppose it also brings into play, the question of the likelihood of extraterrestrial intelligence. And you and I agree that in the not too distant future we will probably find microbial life of some kind. Probably within `Sola System, and there are two or three prime candidates for that which we talked about recently, but it is a giant leap a giant leap. To reach a point of intelligent life, and we on this planet thing the only example of anywhere in the universe where where of at the moment. Probably Oh perhaps. Let's say perhaps a freak of nature. That's right, but actually it's not just notwithstanding the biblical angle I'm not with on this. Side but. The. Step from single celled organism to multi celled organisms is the one. The really difficult one to make can maybe once you've got things evolving. When. You've passed that hurdle, then they may will evolve. quickly. Because of course, intelligence is a is a spectrum you know we are at one end of it, but we're not that far in front of the dolphins in the chimpanzees and. Another. Creatures who suddenly got a level of intelligence The was a comment made I. Think this is Charlie Line Way. Who made who suggested that? The process of. Reaching that level of intelligence that we have reached is not an inevitable in itself because what he points to. The fact that. hundred and thirty, a hundred and fifty million years ago. So that's when African and South American contents, Continents Department separated as Gondwana broke up thinking about one hundred thirty million years ago. If I remember rightly and. You know the the ingredients of what became homo sapiens. Were there both halves of this? Broke off, but it was only in Africa, that we saw the the emergence of the hominids. Eventually Homo Sapiens so his point each absolutely not a. There isn't a predetermined pathway way. You've got all the right ingredients. You will get progressively more and more intelligence, suggesting that even the development to intelligence. A big brain as His almost accidental, so yeah, it's. It's not stuff we can talk about for us, but Yes, I'm already prompted another thought in my mind in that is okay. We are Homo sapiens and we sort of took over the planet, but we weren't. The only rose humanoids to occupy the planet, and for a time we coexisted with. The spacey's and it could have gone either way I mean. This talk the there have been suggestions through anthropology. That neanderthals could have become the dominant spacey's except we I think the story goes were more intelligent or at least more versatile, and managed to survive with a filed, and there's even another argument that we dumped him off. and. That's how we became the dominant intelligence spacey's on the planet. But I like watching a Lotta nature documentaries and you see intelligence in in creatures that that have social organization I'm watching a series of bad saving orangutans. There's been a wonderful series that I've watched on non subscriber television about the Ranjan Jungle School ever in Bonia, and the when you watch these creatures and get to know them, and they do actually through watching the show. Get to know individuals. You see personalities. You say intelligence. You say problem solving. Intelligence. For a long time, we thought that that was us, but it exists in so many creatures. It's just a different kind of intelligence. Thus right so so so food Giuliano to suggest that you know aliens coming here and finding us or at least observing us in. Chimpanzees are I think he's A. Fair argument. Disgraced off. On. You can go on and on and on. The the movies that. Was Moving. Battlefield. Okay failed Earth Yes i. think that's the one. It reminded me of a story. I won't read once again along these lines in which ZANTHOENS can to us. They found release creatures with a hard shell which I thought were the intelligent creatures We would call them 'cause. They thought that they you know the things in the cows were just parasites the? On the bucket Orlean Saina the. So. Interesting stuff. Howdy, measuring ten one of my one of my golf partners. WHO LOVES SCIENCE FICTION? Has recently watched the series, which I haven't watched it or movie, where all the intelligent people, highly intelligent people, the will die off, and suddenly the most average man in the world becomes the most intelligent man in the world. So and everyone else is dumb so i. Can't wait to watch it. That sounds like fun. I'm pretty sure it's a comedy. Juliana thanks. Thanks so much via question. Really appreciate it Nas to hear from you quite literally in that respect. Let's move onto a last question for this week. from our good friend Alf Paddison in Sweden I think last time we. Answered a question from Alpha was able to give him the wonderful news. A young Swedish last won the New South. Wales Win Women's Gopher in here in Indaba. Which I'm very pleased to he well, he he writes hello again Andrew and Fred. Summertime is approaching rapidly here in Sweden. This guy's on a bit, but it's worth reading. Summertime is approaching rapidly here in Sweden since we all Ole still stuck in the middle of this covered situation, there are only two activities approve meaningful. One excising proper social distancing add on the Gulf coast. Yes, we still allowed that, so we all and to brooding astronomical conundrums, the first type of activity is now made extra fruitful. Thanks to a funny little book called Five. Flight. It's in my bag for summa great stuff. That's a book all right Fred About Golf Psychology. Yeah Yeah. I'm so pleased that I'll Scott. I want him to tell me what he thinks and. I should warn you if you haven't read it yet off. It has coarse language in it and I'm talking five carts. Anyway now the first type of activity is now. Might expert fruitful due to the book von Stein Nine flight. The second activity which I stress should not be performed at the same time. It's the first one. Provides a good workout for the little guy wants because I have already found help for the first activity is about the second one which which I wish to ask a question. First of all he starts with facts. The Hubble constant is a measure of the right of expansion of the universe, a strong scientific. Evidence is said to be the redshift of lot passing through spice towards us on earth, but to finalize this model in its entirety. We need to detect both doc, matter and dark energy, however Al Failure. He is still a conundrum, so the question is. Is there really no other way of explaining the red shifting of light, or even to detect a slowing down of the speed of light through spice of a great distances as an alternative explanation, if we take out at the universe from Earth through Witton. Window, of Sai, one degree, we noticed few objects close by, but at greater distances we find an increasing number and. And sizes objects in fact, looking toward the edge of the known universe, we should in principle to take an unlimited amount of mass due to all the objects. Is there no chance that this immense mass albeit of a vast distances could not account for any overlooked effect on what we call the Hubble constant cheese for may not stumbling on one word. Thank you out. Good question. Thanks for buying the book. Must be some good physics in five ions dome floated. It was inspired by Rory mcilroy after he played a bad shot through his to on in a like okay and. It just said because he had a Tandy and I decided Adriana Book about it, so that's. Not China five on because no one carries to answer these days. That's probably why throw it in the like. Might be might be one so okay so to oaths. Come into questions. There is A. Caveat that I would put in. Describes the effects. The yes, the Hubble constant the current rate of expansion of the universe. Put put the details on it. And he says to finalize this small in its entirety. We need to detect both dot mushroom duck energy. But we have done. We know that there. Because of the. Because of the properties that we say the universe exhibiting the the problem is not detecting them is. What they are. And yes, that is still a failure I'm hopeful that not matter might actually secrets to us. Not too far down the track. Hopeful and promising signs, but without energy where we're still. Really at a loss to account for this at least Self Potomac level as to what's going on, but The. Question is really no other way of explaining the redshift of light. Other than the expansion of the universe. or even to detector, slowing down the speed of light through space over great distances as an alternative explanation. The thing is that A lot of people looked at this I remember back in the Nineteen Seventies. It probably was there were people who were looking at alternative explanations for redshift. One of the things that. Led to that was a scientist I actually worked with in the role of Zilch. Nettie Bro! Thought that he had detected. What you might call a Quantel his action of redshift in other words, the redshift were. Sort of clustered around particular values. That would suggest that there was something going on that. We went to wear off. In fact that when you look in more detail and with better instruments than we had in the nineteen seventies you could, you could say this effect disappearing, so there is no, you know this. There's no Quanta. The clustering of Righteous, but we understand why is because of clusters of galaxies? So. Tired light was another suggestion people have looked to. This tried to demolish what you might call the standard picture for a very long time, and the reason why the standard picture has held. Held its ground is because when you look at the universe as a whole, and we now have the you know wherewithal to back almost to the first galaxies being boom. We consistently see the flash of the Big Bang the the cosmic microwave background. Radiation. We can see the ripples in that the tiny temperature differences that. The effective sound waves rock kind of echoing through the Big Bang. All of that gives. A really strong self consistency. A Ole works and. Usually when you when you throw in. Another suggestion as to what might be going on. Throw something else out and nothing makes sense that that was. That's one reason why one of the early proponents of the next generation for the film, and that we we now refer to as dogmatic the idea that. Galaxies spitting too fast to whole themselves together that clusters of galaxies. You know a moving too fast. This is too much circulation within the cluster for the cluster to sell together those what we observe we know much more than that, but back in the seventies and eighties there was this suggestion that may got gravity round the Utopian Dynamics, a different and theory month modified newtonian dynamics a among cold Morton milgram think at the Whitesman Vitamin Institute in Israel did that work. And so what it means, is that we we we, we modify the idea of how dynamics work, and you can get rid of the problem. The puzzle with Galaxy Spinning too fast, but it doesn't do much for the problem of clusters of galaxies, and it turns out that you still need dot matter. It just doesn't work. We've got all these inconsistencies over the bigger picture, so it's really the self consistency of our view. That leads us to accepting the current conundrums. And They you know. The idea of looking at one degree window is a great idea you look further and further out you see more more objects that is simply gold. Alba's paradox which cropped up in I think the nineteenth century like eighteenth and Nineteenth Century Always power dot says that if the universe is infinite You should see dazzlingly bright sky because. On any line of sight, you're always going to find. A Straw table talked about stars about telling. And of course we don't. We say darkness, and that is because the universe is expanding is because we we see the light of things being red shifted so. Oscar docket that not enough infinitely is There is an immense mass in the universe that actually feeds into the calculations that go. To self-consistent picture. I think any overlooked in them. What we call the Hubble constant as. mentioned. I think that would have been found for already. A There is you know there are a few mavericks from time to Time? She worked for one from while who had. kind of different picture of the galaxy words. but Overall what you're looking at is a consensus consensus was. A nutcase was Alexy's a as we understand them, and so the fact all went away my memory colleague was looking at. that as I said, they're mavericks, but generally speaking what we take is the overall consensus, and that leads us to dot mattress, dark energy for better or worse, scientists, science and a something does disprove that. Then it will be taken on board our picture changes. We define things differently. As we as we get to. Understand better, so you could almost say as always watch this space. The, maybe changes, but I think what's more likely to happen is will figure out what dot masters it'll be some species of Subatomic particle, our family of species of Subatomic particles. The Have Eluded Sofa and hopefully one day we'll find out what duck energy is as well. One hundred Grand Slam since we. We hope that will happen in the not too distant future, but. Who can tell it's it's. It's just great mysteries that the people of working on a non fingers fingers crossed the Make the connection there sometime in the not too distant future and I'll in terms of you. Two questions stick to golf. And One little tip from my book. It's not about not hitting it in water. It's about not thinking about hitting it in the water. That's that's the way Brian should work on a golf course. And thank you for the question. Really appreciate it. And frayed I think that winds up for another wake. Thank you so much, sir. Does I. 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"Hello and welcome to unofficial I'm Richard Gillis. This is episode three of the Bundle Arugula. Look at what's happening in the market for sports, meteorites with co host, Yannick Aramco. If enjoy, our podcast might like to follow Yanic on twitter and read his blogs that go deeper into the topics we cover on the cost, and if newsletters year thing subscribed to the unofficial partner weekly briefing via unofficial dot, com. In the meantime, here is the bundle. Thanks very much for joining us again on the Bundle I've decided to call it. The bundle I thought Bundle unbundle was a bit too clever for its own good. You're you're okay with that. Yes I. Agree I think we are already too deep into the reads with Bandon unbundle. Let's the bundle and. If, you want to really get unbundled, a title things to. We have to listen to the PODCAST. Yeah, I agree I. May I just got excited, but here we go, and you've been on holiday your I. Allowed you a holiday from the POCAR. So where do you go? Yeah I mean. Given the current situation every Libyan. I decided to. Make true and my words and drop by. Family members I always promises never delivered, and so I thought that might be the opportune time to do it and really enjoyed few days within the feminity, and that's the reason why we ended up at late on this episode, but here we are and. We shot and ready to go right. Let's okay we got. We got three things that we're going to talk about and we're. We're sort of shifting it slightly because. In the past we've gone in all new stories. The news is is sort of emblematic of of the biggest themes, and that's the bit that we like to get into, so let's talk first of all about distribution because I'm an i. need you to clear something up for me, because as we've gone through these pub costs. I am guilty and I hear other people using the phrase Ott and D. to see is almost interchangeable as the same thing, and they're not really well. How would you describe that was the difference between them? They are not the same and S. you mentioned looking just across the news viral over the last couple of weeks I really thought like all those news are contributing to a larger trend. Absorbing spots, media, landscape, and the festival you alluded to. It has to do with distribution, and what I think we are more more teaching is that content is king I mean it's a white known phrase, but might distribution Kinko so being even more important and coming back to your question regarding. Ot Anti to see what's the difference? I think that's a in misdemeanor that over the top is often yacht. Put on the same. Level as use interchangeably with direct to consumer, but I think. The is Tokyo but can be completely different and the Ad Ojt for me like you can define it s distribution medium it just the way you deliver the Clinton. It's through the traditional linear satellite ecosystem, but over the top so. Going that system in direct to the end-consumer, so it's a distribution technology you can also define it as a business monitor and giving dulles characteristics associated with an OT subscription fight samba. Most likely really aggressively priced most likely on a monthly basis, so the ot economics, so the businessman is also a bit more challenging than the. ATTRACTIVE TRADITIONAL PAY TV. Business motor. That's all you can defy ot in different kind of race, but but it's not necessarily is direct to consumer endowed. The Distribution Pot becomes into it because I really think that. Programmers so content provider every pay for distribution in customer excess in the digital age just like they did in the linear past and meaning. Ot like zone Josh needs additional distribution or head for distribution in order to really maximize. yeah, Commotion Potential, EXTENDED LOAN OT IS JUST A. Inch to 'em. Catch the attention of the consumer with all the content, the inflammation of one out of there. So. There's something there about money, so there's a cost of distribution there. We're back to carriage fees and those sorts of conversations, but there's also. I mean see feels like a more of sort of almost a broader philosophical statement that your going to. Really, understand and know. Who the customer is at the other end in a way that that was always the dream isn't that's the digital? That's the cell of digital and the digital transformation. Story is being predicated on the value you go from being a someone who's just lice selling licenses to your your content to broadcasters and sponsors to going in and taking it directly to customers that is at the difference, not is just one way of going to. Yeah Act it's mean to really realized the quote. UNQUOTE DREAM BEST scenario of to see, and then you have to phrases like customer. Ownership data's in new oil, those kind of phrases. Become relevant once we have a direct to consumer relationship, but the fact said in Ott most of the time the. Relationship that customer relationship really with the distribution platforms be like flags. Immobile operate yet. It pay away. The even will be it other platform slag beaucoup like a Fitch in the end The party which has direct. Customer Relationship Passive Bidding Inflammation of those kind of things and s Coakley alluded to. It's also philosophical thing do. Yeah, plan or do I. Act a long term and so saying I don't want to. Pay It to said usual headphone, which then has custody. I went direct to consumer. Relationship, which might not be revenue maximizing in the short term, but It's most data into dumped him like I. have to shot on thinking and Yup out pretty much the same linnea passed en tefft just intermediaries which could much connect Mike content to their customers so something light elite TV to if you look league TV that. That's that needs distribution, but you've also. It's on the on the editorial side oversee. They've launched it and it's got the Spanish league and they they are controlling the production I. Guess and they are then, but they still need it to go on various platforms and the idea. The lolita are then going to. Understand or go detour directly Spanish football fans all around the world, the long tail argument, and all of that kicks in. That's questionable if they have to still go via. Sky All FUBO TV or where wherever they have to go. Is that is that? Is that right? That's what thought. They've already possibility to build to consumer relationship, because there is a standalone auditees service delegate to be audited services out there, but the chances that if they have to abuse theaters with like Patriot operators, a mobile up way does the majority of theat subscribers, but actually be acquaintance who those beautiful headphones solve. The share of customers subscribe Relationship is most likely this model. Pot in the majority of customers come through the means who can pay a little bit flakes that you can discount your offering than the usual headphones, but had something against it, so you can provide incentives for the. Customer to tighten up directly but. Just cutting through the noise is difficult nowadays with all the inflammation of note, already key in order to gain. In. Screaming so who are going to be the winners, so if you're right and it sounds like you're onto something here that you know you always looking back at the distribution channel, so it's quite nicely counter, intuitive point that you're making so who is GonNa? Win This where where this? If I'm as an investor and we'll talk about private equity later on, but where would you be putting your money than if distribution is is going to be still the the key to this? I think. That will be a global brand that able to have most of the time direct relationship which will be able to Circumvent, also seducing platforms, but you need really Brent power. You Need to global brand POA engineers. The most sought after content examples are fight song inept can do that. Is Buddy fight in the music? Industry can do that, but these are like the top of the crop of in terms of content providers that able to do that. Everybody else, even though it's trust your content I don't think continent on video do the trick flawed the majority of the playoffs and they are relying on distribution so. S You mentioned in terms of investing I think. Devotee? The will continue to be a reliance just like in the platforms, and I would put my money while the on I dunno local fire, to be or even those traditional. Communication services, the chefs the voted integration. It costs the entire value chain. I Dunno like. Eighteen t like a comcast. Often hear about the decline of the legacy media companies for whatsoever I. Don't see that right I think they just have been bid in competitive advantage with the audience, and even felt the adoption of true Ott Thank to consider increases. I think those. Companies? For the for thebig Mitchum Future. Okay, before we move on this talk. We through so Fubo TV which I mentioned earlier I didn't they was sort of a haven't been on my radar until you mentioned them couple of weeks ago and said the story. This is that they revenue rises seventy eight percent subscribers up thirty seven percent. What was going on? Why are they doing so well? What I mean or are they is they mark. Is that those figures misleading, or is that something that that they should be extremely happy about the looks of it? I mean it looks good at first glance I think impressive growth number. But, those numbers are relative terms and I think it just. A symptom of the change undergoing at the moment, because in the end, the Fubu which is like a digital. I tone it to to the traditional. Pay TV that you have your distribution had? The. Only difference is that distribution platform Nike food with TV, is shots digitally delivered and not delivered through cable satellite, but in the end it's very same business monir like every half mounted for use. Flakes COMCAST WITH TV WANTS TO EBB. I've been focusing on the US. It's the same. This is just another technology, but the economics behind it the. Actually Roth education can have. Everything a month with them all visit. One kick with your fingertips by. The traditional moderate. Long contracts attack. So. It looks Nice, but I think you really have to be available to take the a replication of the existing mother. Via digital means, snow, and now nothing Different? Charles M. The continued importance for like ninety percent of content create us for distribution end at they continue pay for distribution just like they did for the plastic it's. Before we move on again company that the keeps coming back lots of news around his media, pro and Again just take us through that. What where're they in it? Because they are they looking? They will one thing now want to change into something else. Is that are? They were an agency when I you know media pro, but now than looking more like a media company is at run. Yes, that's why end I would even at eleven spots to the mix to have those two examples here and hold it related to the Houston saw media. Pro will be the primary primary lights order of the French league domestically nothing. To Season Vich kick off. On that. France decided to. Cancer this season. Early amid the GONNA an pandemic, Endeavour Is Able and Stock Nick Season in time compared to dot pretty soon and estimation. They have tried the transformation of. An Agency to form a production company to footy fetched Beta Company so they are not only doing the production. They are not only buying intending whites. Yeah, actually buying buying whites to exploit them directly. Through the. Channels and the entire SAGA has been. tumbled a murky from the beginning at besides the record-breaking white fees, they are paying to the French league the not of Things that raise concerns. From. Outside observers starting with the amount Abe founding to provide bank guarantees their white space yet delayed one of the own operated ot heavy to discuss this in the episode, the punted on H.. Two Additional Games for the on the coming season, and they have not yet one distribution in the every nation to distribution. Topic they have not went to in place and as tight. This season starts early, so it was a few weeks. Time End Ja gaining three five million subscribers. They are shooting. At twenty five fuel, which is the MONTY, python the OT is just apple better without the. Addition Division bution threw eggs, deppish playoffs night. KC, plus like. What else but as goes? In France, like editors in those players who provide the customer abetted in comparing to eleven, boss, who will also be the primary domestic white sort of competition Europe navy in Edham. has already closed. Numerous distribution deviates in bedroom. They really act platform agnostic meaning. They have traditional monitoring where a have traditionally which juicy booted through 'EM PAY-TV OPERETTAS, but also have ot service, so they are paying a off. Put a possible chance and. I. Think Bostock a good job and I think Mitt Appro is Swedish challenge at the moment and just to finish that up. I think sports. If you remember by the have been in the UK and what? The entire business in the UK. They're not able to kill any distribution. The it's incumbent players named with sky amputee because they read in direct competition with them when it comes equipped the right of the ninety. End Without the addition of distributions through those. Established players just entrant to get any traction and the content you want to have content announced that. Do the trick so I mean. Media Pro. Festival we've got players in the market. Who I mean you mentioned sky for example who are publisher and Distribution, said Ebb, and it's trying to find a route through that if you are on the outside, so I'm just interested to media pro if I'm the French league, if I'm league. I'm worried now or I'm just GONNA take the rights off them and give them to someone else or what's going to happen because they can't go into the season without a TV distribution deal. Surely that would be part of what they bought a what they what they thought. They sold view the league. That's a heck of a bed they've taken isn't saying they're gonNA build a standalone Ott platform, three and a half million people. Twenty, five euros a pulp, but also. that's it and that's not in place, either so it feels like A. Strange one because if I, there's A. is there a real danger that will be a sort of blackout on the French league in the initially. Black out I, don't think so, but the have demanded distribution. They will have limited visibility, and that's not in the interest of the League itself and entrant, which may have. Had Been Infants as lights. Not You always have a face, the trade off between okay new market entrant, which is fitting to pay a premium. Provide? The Highest Meteo revenue for you go continue to work with a incumbents which might be a little bit less. They are reliable and. Established, footprint in the legal market, so you always have that trade off and I think the biggest risk 'em besides limited visibility, which might become betterment while in the mid to long-term been. You're heading into the next. White Tiger I think the term risk is said. Any given lights on in here to meet up all which default on the white payment and I think the biggest the biggest. Risk as it's always a trade off to go with the unknown mean the most money ordway a go with the non rich. Revenue Maximizing rules and the shotgun, so the Tom Bruce at sea weathe-, Debbie satisfaction before before the season, and you've got to in the meantime, confused fans and probably angry fans will trying to work out. What they should be buying and where they should be buying it and. It's just another subscription we have to subscribe to. Your most likely as vivid football fan already subscribe Kennedy plus. In other page Avi Charlotte's knowledge just another. Offering your false to sign up for in order to really an get get the Clinton. You want so so not the most consume. Fendi move in the end. And just to finish off on. On this one does own. There're noises now or that. They're saying that they'll going to sort of revive the. Global Ott play that I mean again. The promise of design was the it was going to be a a the big global Ott. Platform that Ryan terms of and another leading in go heavy on boxing. But one of the challenges is whether or not boxing will get them. To a global platform I guess. I mean yes. Design from the beginning use the money of being the Netflix's of bought I mean inside us or people who know the business you from the beginning that the entertainment and the arts landscapes are completely different, and and it's not really describing the business mode of dissolved, but plus easy way to get across the message, or what does ongoing. Debate because everybody knew what Netflix is doing, default, they really embrace that money in a that the same instead of trying to explain in ten sentences pretty much the same. With minor difference, but just Not Getting. what zones actually? Intends to do so. You will white so. Now in use was and relates to distribution yet again that the global or out, which was already planned for the beginning of the year then was. Put on hold due to the global pandemic snow. Up Again and A bit attested in the near future. And what I found. Particularly interesting is I think so the media market is freely based on the national logic so market notching of. Broadcasting it's really a totally faces and I think it's also reason by I'm a big tech really hasn't jumped into end the spot. What Kelsey market because big take always globality end as both broadcasting is inherent. Nationally I think that's. One of the reasons. Why Big Tech has really? Gone full steam ahead in addition to other things like limited chef, life of life sports central out, but not jumping to a deep into that at the moment. What I think was dissolved. Earth said really can be a first mover advantage for a global pugh score. Streaming Service am I think that really can provide. Unique opportunities for whites leaks. Open Sports. To leverage disabuse on a global basis, debt volunteers, and for the most machi leads and competition, because sending your rights under territory by toby basis justice to revenue, maximizing move for them, but to three Dante property th I think can really benefit plummeted twenty established. Pure sports end mile, and you mentioned it, and they stopped with a combat sport especially with boxing. Even they are ev radio long long term a ships with. Mesh Room. Other boxy organizations that they have already global rights. I. Think it can be move advantage. English should have looked at that going forward. Authentic develops and the only Roy I would have to see. Limited capability to localize the content issue. In nobody that will be most likely in international feeds, but honestly she has personally from my point of view I especially when it comes to comments, ought I enjoy the a the English commentary, told the commentators who already like. Health to the to the ring hoses to the organization and I, don't know if like. The comatose local rich would provide value data by editor you for me I think maybe commits isn't exceptional. Actually limited localization could work, but. Going forward on the global off in all of the appropriation complexity. The goes along with that I think. That's a reason why it's a Beta test. Because all the complexity in the back end with jurisdiction, TA and they're. Huge Operational Shanshan. This is two things that jump out of that. which is the a when you say It will be a home for non premier. Global Rights! It feels a bit like Euro sport was that was always the problem that Eurosport had I from? My perspective is that they'd load of stuff, but none of it was something that I actually wanted to watch, and it was everywhere, but nowhere you soon, so that's a challenge I imagine you know from from designs point of view if you become known as sort of warehouse for northern premier rights than That's an issue I. Agree with you on the the combat sports thing she I remember interviewing one of the PETITA brothers who oversee saw a bill up UFC and soda. For billions, and he, he said there they used to talk about National Geographic in the you know the actually. Cage Fighting Boxing Combat Sport was the same as watching abandoned documentaries. He just wanted to see antelope being torn apart, and that that there is no rules, and it's just it's. It's as brutal and. You know sort of an a mental as that and football gets there because there is a is a relatively simple sport once you go below those. You then are in trouble. Localization I think is really interesting is. There is a bit of Chat Abou-, actually whether or not the great global era of spore is really going to work or not. People sort of having second thoughts particularly in the investment market. But to interesting, okay, so let's let's let's death one point. I mean you're white spots is fiber and the different preferences in different regions, so you've been in the university, NYC? Spots is Difficu- find beyond a football and maybe referring to us. Let into my mind. When you mentioned you fought a few like maybe you spots stock so they're like European, but not really global. I think noble or like ninety percent. That's already a difference and another difference movie designed. Maintain those ten operation, so they have a tent pole operation Germany one in the U. S.. Japan really like after Joe One rights. And then under night is fundamental, they have said global relations because the challenge is you don't get. A global wides to Tijuana, properties. Except if you really like going overboard and come to what you're paying foot, but It's a moment I think to and below the parties that basis. Okay, right good distribution, and regardless so secondly the second area that we talk about a movie. A bit briefer on this is The where the power lies now when we're looking at a post cove it. Sort of environment because. There is being almost sort of an escalation of of meteorites around the League's. And that's been feature sports business. For the last. Decade at least two decades. I'm. Do you sense so that's shifting the. There's GonNa be. Changes Afoot League always going to have power, but what are broadcasters? Will see now heads now the the they've lived or live for the covert experience. At least looking at the news viral of enough couple of weeks I really got the notion that there is a shift in power across the value chain of sports media so been. We're talking about the way you shame. You're talking about the leaks to broadcast of the white Toyota to bite the League's whites, normally from the leaks in the end consumer, so though three parties in just reading headlines like dead TV. s acquires antique whites in the US from at tournus boards, but he talked about the last time because. Of the out of the contract or reading news. Sports flag. Zombie up out of the contract with the PGA tour and said to NBC reading that like A. Shitty jobs. Opting against putting the uniform guy given their current lights, fees stent off they not really followed through with an the threat. I think that over the past decade the be has been. And I think the most obvious. Constraints of that has been heft been this. Guy Walkerton lights fees, but I think more might shift. The white speedy head exploded given the improve through patriotism the Everson, Sel two thousand ten than not came onto the landscape. Ot removed really likely limited space. Athena programming so the. Demand for live sports programming really skyrocketed, and the supply remain fixed Fitch. Resides in an increase in prices to those developments. I think no moves overflowing. The League's broadcast given the high reliance on the League Jeff Megabytes revenues and also shifts partially to the end-consumer because they as such. And simply told much. Choice in a Clinton out via. Shooting what they want to consume on on false to consume any given linear programming muscle, so the other factors I think the contributed to the effect that especially broadcasters. VID become more defensive than it comes through vice acquisition might already cut on the editors when it comes through an content spending and M. S. rethought really off themselves the question do I need this box? Properties end, if needs this what property or not giving how it would impact, Samba customer shown if decide or conclude Anita's property do I read need all the Games. been all the Games do I need all the games exclusively? I think really. HEFFER! Detailed view of their foot. Koyo, optimize just suspending given the expected return on their. Investment on those properties and I think that's the news. I am mentioned have been tied of that underlying. Tread via Kundi upcoming post. So it's quite worrying than if you all you know if we're looking at. Sports the Willy. It's the two as Ho Sports that might not be deemed essential so golf cricket, rugby, or these you know sports. The of the traditionally have do have premier properties within them bought a not. It's quite hard to if impossible to build a sports channel around I mean. has there any been any anywhere? A sports channel built. The the isn't around football. I mean it depends on I. Guess an American League is different effect the Dahbi back to the topic of sports? Being driver fed the most initially dominating spots, and they refuse bought. That are able to over. The entire job, but a you mentioned a DVD. Really important team that bid be fundamental. To the. Future development of these sports immediate white which is the relation of 'em spotlights. Debbie, heads in has not in the end and. The differentiated between a between those ten colon properties which you mentioned. which are the of your entire? Programming Based on Ritu big. Your entire portfolio won't. Want those tentpole properties inevitably everything else and give especially the increased right's fees for those tier two. You mentioned a few of them. Am I think they up the most. Susceptible to a declaration of their. Valuation by broadcast US End I. Think those properties. Retain their market valuation, because they have to intrinsic value to the broadcast, did your two properties which experienced a major increase in the over the past ticket food, correct and the Non Taylor. Really hasn't much whites fees anyway, so there is not much to correct. Things we had to pull this relational Take content given that production and distribution costs video like plummeted enabled by technology over the. Past few yesterday. To correct, but the differentiation will be between those job, one and two. White properties. Okay which leads us into a lost sort of theme of today, which is private, equity because. The I mean over the last. Few weeks up being running a separate Picasso series money talks and talking to various people George Bruin. Of Burn Sports, capital and And Carl Charters of inner circle most recently and we're and just looking at. How private equity is viewing sport? But when you then apply that question to sort of media rights frame. I, there is some really interesting stuff going on I've got lots of questions, but I wouldn't profess to know Any many ounces, but I do think that if we look at Syria for example, the cluster of of privacy sort of. Property houses are cluttering around the rights to Syria up. Is Interesting. Isn't it because you've got that? That's a signal that something. It needs some sort of structural change. This works just. UNPICK wine mean when you've got Let's look at. The group are sort of. CVC. Bain. Advent we got a couple of others in there which I'm sure. Remind me, but what is it? The is happening here. Do you think what they another they they're looking to just by the meteorites in the expectation that they can buy low and and make money from them, but is there anything else happening? Other building businesses around this? Or is it just a more Patina? Stick Move by these by the by the BC's. South of all I really have to tell you. That video enjoyed the recent episodes. Within your money, talk, serious and money talks X. GPA up puts it in a nutshell. What will be the driving Gino with? Post colonial in maybe a more conscious end spending. Am I think it's? Fitting title. Is Serious, but you referred to it. It's it's a put to nist to some extent, because opportunity has been. Generated unexpectedly through and the pandemic null clever equity always tried to get into European sports. Particular data given that debt is the notion that European sports somewhat unsophisticated of how it is managed M, but it's the same time you are also in a completely different investing environment compared to somber, sports scape bids. Much more invested becomes to shelf leaks kept federal, so it's not like a free for all on Get Entry European sports, and they will generate return. So that's not should expect, but. Looking at the news and the team of equity has pop up so many times over the. Past few months to news really stood out to me so i. Has Been that ACILIA which has been in addition to be read the FCC center of or those private equity accommodation that they. Would like or want to set any. External Investment at fifteen percent limit so. They. Really don't want to relinquish control. I think it's natural. Desire out the head. They retain the controller that will be. Ruby against their. Need for cash infusions saw we received whether they can. Put through with devout not. Too, much equity, but looking at the FUNK, former p. e., Pittsburgh I have succession. Touch minority investment. Even though it's in vehicle, I always wanted to get into Europeans Fox does touch minority investment really suits. The risk revolt horrified of a traditional equity firms nominee. Private equity gets in most likely on a majority stake. Operate the company optimizes financially operationally and get out of it a few years later a realistic if that if You are not buying at top, but we about the that all those revenues heads dialogue over the past few years where the next candidates for What driving revenues up, so you're not really am bike at Scotland and it's dooming that. The Post Go. Piquet shouldn't. A decent the short-term not. Need to make a discount, so might to re- to some extent at. Equity Getting into business with flights Celia via minority stake of fifteen percent at note, rear discount issue. It's just. Wanted to say is the There is a timing. Issue I think so in from. The stand it they beat. They've had a six year. Guarantee. Period or agreement, which then runs out in two thousand twenty one so that probably? The international to be that's domestic and international rights for Syria that. Conclusion two, thousand, twenty one, and therefore that that's why there is a sort of congregation around this the around the property now one one of the things that strikes me is the A. It feels like when CVC. Wherein Formula One, there was an obvious. sort of entity that they had invested in which was the commercial. Part of an Oversea Leagues Sarah and other, but his all messier messier investment landscape because they you know. CVC. And Apollo punishment obeying these. I don't think they want to get involved in running the sport per se. Certainly done, but they obviously taking a long-term view or a longer term view of the health of the feature, helpful spoil in general, so they bought into the sports story and the football, European football story, and and then this presumably is just a way into that, and then, and then there will be a certain building out and how much they'll be allowed to do that will be, it's difficult because the leagues and the clubs they will be very reticent to to offer more than as you say fifteen or twenty percent of a new company so CVC. That they put in to two point two your billion-euro bid to acquire twenty percent of a new company that would be managing the right, so that was sort of new a between CVC and Syria, but that's. That's great. Off for them, but it's. It's trying to work that out because it feels like a less sat as you say a satisfying. For them, but also when you talk to. Private Equity People. They are always talking George. Bruin is saying he's more of an operator than a finance guy. So this is basically what he's saying is that he wants to buy things and he has expertise to bring to make them better. This isn't what's happening here by the looks of it. It's actually they're. They're buying just on the Go by the right price allegra. So there's a there's a very. Cluttered landscape, which again the always the CLICHE has been put off American. Private equity from going into European football that said. Did a newsletter last week is quoting John Wall Street who? Had A number for the amount of money that is sort of. Waiting to be spent by private equity, and it's approaching three trillion, but that's not all sport, but it's a it's a sizable amount of money which is not being invested because of coded, and so there is on the one side. You've got leagues as you say broadcasters. Starting to exert pressure, but then you've also got. A considerable what they would dry powder, which is a phrase that care for, but that's sitting there waiting for. To be spent ought to be invested or to to prop up. Investments already have so. It's a very dynamic marketplace in you're right. We always land on rugby and all Syria are, but it's interesting feels like that might be. They might be working for a model. The that gives them some sureties so a balanced between the the dilemma of relegation promotion. Relegation risk with some sort of certainty in terms of the meteorites, because they feel that they are very bullish on the long term value of sport and again to your point. There is a great deal of lava out there. For. People that. Have come in, and there is a model of how to run European football clubs and I think that's that's going to be copied in an attempt to be copied as we as we move forward, but what we're seeing here is is a might be unusual in terms of trying to work out our league so to. Organize itself. Our sports property has to organize itself to make itself attractive for venture capital, dopey to come in yet colicky pointed out the complementary needs or asset at the moment you have Esu, foot or an? To Jumbo's feet, mentioning although although dead drive power, they are sitting on the private equity firm on the one hand side on the other side to have the cash strapped as spots leaks in teams, really in need for cash infusions, also including the low interest environment, which only increases the supply. M so maybe even Dallas reasons the expected return on any investment from code. Equity foams also has been no. So. Maybe sports become a more attractive, even though the upside or the potential return might not be that already have had quite a great one in terms of. Withing valuations over the past a few years, but Yeah, we will see and one last point you mentioned it. In front, the agency reportedly has also joined the race for the investment and I found that particularly interesting because within agency. No, in addition to all those firms agency has different capabilities, different skirts, but also different interests, and what we have abso- for a few years. Is that agencies already fighting for the up position in the value chain the? Face, the risk of being cut out. Fight under the meteorites business needs more more looking for the direct relationship with broadcaster to have more intimate relationship there end the bent agencies more more especially in the most effective. Markets End Straight out investing in these property here in the. Would be an easy way for any agency to eliminate the risk of being cut out to really have a stake in the competition, and therefore also in State in the commotion, upside offered and find the point. You mentioned that influence has been the long tome. Pot not the especially when it comes to salt if anybody knows the delete future. Revenue Rolls of their. Ip. It should be the at by the given that. Influences interested in the. League might be good side for what's ahead for the Italian. Italian top flight football competition. Okay, yeah, I agree with that. Th the only caveat is on terms of the IPO ship is. The value can go down your your taking the risk as well as the by into the opportunity, but I agree with you completely in terms of. That's that looks like it's going to be a strategy for some of them, but I know so so the question in my mind in terms of what the operational difference between CVC and G is I mean I obviously. If you're going to get into sport and run something, you need the operational expertise, which presumably much of it resides in agencies on the United, just. The same people doing the same job. Maybe yes, so I. M G has been a pioneer in bidding ownership stakes, and what not to take over the entire. Commercialization of A. Property Event I. Mean They have? It was the US. And they have founded. I also think in Goya's so the has been a track record of taking over croppies in operating them, so it's some expertise on the. H.. As well would be fascinating to see a pe with one foot competition, but I expect river. See it and. Even if the justice moist, it's a beginning for a bigger move down to vote if the desire if the situation gets Roth, incomes off the economics end leaks or teams of foster tenant, even not a stake in private equity can really take over and updated innovative. You might have never seen before. Yeah I'm not sure. Look forward to that, but it's a good idea. A good place to go place to finish so yanic again. Thanks very much for your time. Really enjoyed that. Welcome back. Good to have you back from your your holiday. It's like I. I'm saying this like I. I gave you the opportunity to go on hold. A contract but. I really enjoyed. Okay to next time, thanks. 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Romesh Gunesekra

Monocle 24: Meet the Writers

28:39 min | 5 months ago

Romesh Gunesekra

"Hello, this is the writers I'm Georgina Godwin. My guest today was born in Sri Lanka and all of the world before settling in London. His first novel Reef was shortlisted for the Nineteen ninety-four Booker Prize. He's won many other prestigious accolades been translated into many languages judged a number of important towards on one's highly acclaimed writing workshops his new novel out in Paperback This Week is some catching. Remers last time we met we were in Pakistan and India in London where it really really hard that was in the days when they still flew people like us around the world to talk that festival I know it seems like that was the golden age of the nineteen twenties or something isn't It's hard to believe really that. One. Join that little bit of. You. Know pretend jet-set. economy-class. But Yeah, it has changed enormously though today I mean sitting here on the heat with the sun shining sky. Amazingly blue. your dog running around here. Cooler, it seems to be very far away. I mean. It really does and this this weathe-. Filtering both you and I should be used to it coming from from the global south. Let's start there because of course you're born in Shirley Anka. Is that was a long time ago after. The weather's chains climate has changed. The world is changing but yes, it was Sri Lanka Ceylon, as it was then. Don't go dog than I can't remember but it seems I do try to remember for reasons I don't entirely understand. But yes. Yeah, it was. It was a in a way of very different world but in many ways, not such a different world I mean politically, it was a really intense situation. Then at the time of of the set of books ever written is at the time when when I was born in the in the mid. Fifties. Ceylon, as it was then not Sri Lanka had been independent for a few years and. There was already all sorts of political turmoil but not ones that I would have recognized growing up as a child. All on the vaguely. But when one thinks about it, yes I mean nineteen fifty eight to those, Mu -mergency. Prime Minister was assassinated. If you remember the headlines have been quite quite serious. But. At the same time, the the general pictures pose wasn't. Traumatic at all. And I remember. A few years ago in connection with another book, I think I was reading up Came across I think. I. Think it was a World Bank report or might have been the United Nations when you're talking about Where there was wonderful. Paragraph that. Look so ironic now talked about you know this this model society that was on the verge of being Extraordinarily, successful immediately, and then and then of course, things became very difficult. Of course you'll father was a banker. Where he was I think is probably not quite does gives the wrong connotations. The Central Bank foods is what he called. He was he was involved in setting up the central bank in. in Ceylon at that time in the fifties and then mentor and I suppose his. Big Thing was Asian Development Bank which he? was involved. In setting. Up. and. That meant. You moved as a child. Yes. So I was very, I was very lucky even when I was a child in Salon I did have a chance to travel He was a very lucky man I mean I don't quite know how he managed, but he was lucky enough to be sent on various. Government. Missions or whatever you call them. So I did I mean I came to England apparently I have very little memory of this but. I was very young. I came on them. On a ship actually. Through the Suez Canal. And probably, the same ship that Michael Ondaatje writes about which she went on earlier. And, that would have been in the fifties and I think I think well, I remember my parents telling me when they were live that. We've lived here for maybe three months or something that. I went to America again that sort of. That sort of period. And these are things that nobody else I knew in loan did so. I was a bit of a nod character. And I kind of I. I have a big memory of being quite. Pleased with the fact that I had seen snow and nobody has had. You'll books often talk about sense of home and I wonder if that comes from from that rather peripatetic childhood. I suppose it must do. I mean, it's It's probably two three different things really He has it was peripatetic. Nomadic life in in a sense didn't travel around as much as many people including perhaps you I don't know. But. What does notice that there are a lot of writers a lot of people who have traveled around a lot end up. Trying to write about things and that kind of movement. But I think I, think that sense of? A place or home rope. Something that is not exactly where you are. is in a way deeper than that, and I think everyone feels that and that is. That's just kind of a function of growing I. Mean everyone. Had to do at some point and it is very different from the life they lead now for better or worse and I think if you've geographically traveled then I guess. It's kind of a little bit more magnified. And I also wonder about the thoughts are coming from a country which no longer exists like salon for you like Rhodesia for me. These places are simply not there and perhaps we're having nostalgia first somewhere that just isn't. I think these days a days that but I also kind I sort of remember reading about no writers in the nineteenth century feeling the same thing when they travel from the provinces to Paris. And and then in a sense that can never go back all actually you know and I I as an adult moved to. London and. I'm sure you've probably felt this is well, you come to this huge big metropolitan city and suddenly becomes smaller because he keeps meeting people who you've met somewhere else. and. I came to live here. In the mid Seventies. At a time when there was a lot of unemployment around in Britain and people did in a sense gravitate in. Leave the university is wherever had come to leave home leave school and come to come to London looking for a job and. I remember you know in those early years constantly bumping into people in Oxford Circus wherever you know. Last, saw them you know wherever it was you were and many people feeling. That I. Don't know. Leads that they grew up in. The. Potteries they grew up in. the Liverpool they grew up in is not the place they could go back to because it was also changing and certainly by the Eighties Changed Hugely Ninety S. What about writing? When did that begin for you? The writing began when I think about it quite early. But not as early as some writers I mean, I wasn't one of those children who six years old would be writing stories. No I used to read I suppose. Used to like drawing pictures and I was very young but the writing bug really that kind of came. In my mid teens when I was about fifteen or sixteen I think and that was after left. Three Lanka and I was in the Philippines and I would probably say. You know in a sense of Philippians made me in to a person wanted to be a to. Why partly American influence in the Philippines. It was there that came across books slightly more contemporary books. You know not not the hardy. Boys. and. So more contemporary books were clearly writers were writing about being writers as well. So particularly, the beat generation care wax Ginsberg's and pulling it is in all of those people. And there was this. Sense that you. I think that was where I suddenly not noticed. I suppose that. A book didn't just appear but someone actually rooted and. That was a process in that writing and. I think those writers that I came across will people who? Says almost naively one would say kind of celebrated the act of writing. Almost more than the product of writing. But that was very infectious and that enthusiasm just lapped it up and I thought, Oh, I want to do this and I and I did so I With no other ulterior purpose other than just enjoying scribbling. and to me, that's still is at the heart of it and. Years later and I came across I don't know whether you have. But you know the tagging Dennis puts in China and the couple of actually, and you can come across the writings and it's again this infectious. Joy and Put who's running around the mountains. In China and. His poems I like things like I'm running around the mountains and Ham scribbling screaming like mad who has but I love it. That's it. Essentially, I'm reading this I think. Yeah. You're that's not the way I right now. But I I kind of try try to feel that. and. So much of the writing about your books, a lot of criticism talks about this this joy that comes across on the page you first published work was book of Short Stories. Yeah. It is a book called monkfish moon and Yeah it was short stories. Most set in Sri Lanka few set here in in England. but I suppose the distinctive part of it for me was that it was all about Sri Lankan characters and it was a discovery for me as well. It was in a sense. I suppose in terms of my writing, it took me a long time to move away from the. Script on threes. Let's go transit eat the right on the trees. kind of thing to wanting. To write something that. Somehow stays on the page and is in some way meaningful beyond beyond that moment. Build that day. I suppose I mean we started out talking with the joy part with the joy. It's was was was very much in the writing because the subject matter was not necessarily. So because it was very difficult time for three dot com. The war was very serious. Violence was very, very serious and in a sense I felt that with those stories, tackle some some of those subjects. But I Still. Wanted to. The overall sense of the book of the writing to be. One where you're tractors to the writing anyone to stay with the writing. Your your first novel Reef was nominated for the Booker Prize, which is extraordinary for a debut. In those days it was not these days of course now. Sense. It's it's all debut but at the time I think it was a neither possibly the second or third debut novel to get onto onto the list. There was one on new before that which had one. Child to not remember Kerry Hume's. People. because. One off book as it were. So it was very unusual and I was very lucky. Yeah, it was great. It was a perfect way to enter this very glad not one at that point because that would be. Very detrimental as it seems to be a lot of people. So I got all the benefits. and was it life changing I? Don't know what life changing. My Day job. I kept my day job for quite a while. But it was in the sense that it it actually gave me. At. The time it seemed like a readership. I mean I was aware that people were reading I mean. Not. Millions and millions, but you know enough people to feel that. Does that and again I was Lucky. I seem to know a lot of people from other walks of life at that time. So. Even. Though there wasn't the Internet as we know it now would got around. So I had a lot of kind of. You. Know people did write postcards and letters and say, Oh, I saw your book and and also because it was unusual for facebook to get on and also one of the few from. Outside Britain as it were. That was a lot of kind of. Recognition I guess, which is which is nice at the time faded by, but it was nice of the time. People, send me cuttings from at Uganda a Hong Kong. Indonesia wherever saying you know it's Talking about your book and so on. So that was great and you didn't have the classic second novel a problem because Sunglass to did very well it did bill I mean I had I know it wasn't it wasn't a problem I mean it was partly because I've been writing for a long time since if you took a long time to get to the first book So there's plenty of writing. Momentum if you like. To continue with the next book. the difference was that I did give the job to finish that book really because it was. Needed more more head space than I could give it to. Sort of time, job? Lots of very strong women in that book. Yeah, I. I think I. Don't know. It's interesting. Edmund I just the other day somebody was asking me about by they're moving. These types of you to say that it compensates well I. Guess I guess I'm making the point because that is a for me with that is the one that focuses on women I wanted and I was. It's dominated by this matriarch as it were and. I wanted in a sense to pay homage to that. Figure in the book, but even monkfish Moon in two or three of the strongest stories are told by women and I guess in my life. In, the family I grew up with women now. Were strong figures. The Picasso that Heaven's Edge was a New York Times notable book of the year and many people talk about it. Saying that it's enormously poetic and of course, that is another whole strand to your career is that you are a poet to I don't know that ceremony I'm. GonNa. Say I was an aspiring poet pretty bad I. I spent most I think the reason it took me so long right my first book. At blame. Poetry. Because I was pretty clear in my head that my first book would would be book of poems. And so. In a sense, all manager went into writing poems and a few short stories is to keep them. Going as it were but now I think about it i. kind of thought. I didn't know a story would writing. For a long long long time. So I, drive. No very short. Pieces of prose. But I thought yeah. The first book would be a book of poems and and I never quite got that I. Mean I did a lot of problems. They'll magazines published them. There was even one special issue of magazine that had about a dozen poems. And in those days, it's a bit more opened up now I guess especially in the last couple of years but. At the time it seemed a fairly in publishing terms fairly strict. So. A book of poems by any of the major publishers? I remember now used to used to be fifty five pages minimum. And no fifty five phones. With a few poems that went over the page. And I could get to about forty five points as happy with I could just never get those extra five or six or seven and I remember. I just write some long terms and then I just never worked, and then at some point in I think in the there was a story that Just. Suddenly worked really well and. And it was published and I had some really good. Feedback as a result of that and I thought well, no, I can do this I'm going to spend more time on it. So I can't claim to be put the there are a couple of anthologies now that have got some of my in three or four so. I, noticed set. I'm sure they are the day. So something like. Some poetry website has my name on there. I really want to get onto some catcher, which is your most recent book and I think it's just coming out and payback. This is set in one, thousand, nine hundred begins in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, four, really important ear. Yeah it's it's so it's set in nineteen, sixty, four in. Sri Lanka which was then silicon. And setting nine in sixty four. It could have been set any time in the sixties when my first thought of writing this book. But it kind of zeroed in on that year because as I got into the book and thought about it more and kind of. Worked out what was going on at the time and so on. It turned out that nineteen sixty four. was politically very significant for the country. But it's not a significance that is much talked about. Even recognize I think now. But when I looked into it as to what was going on then and tried to remember what was going on then. I kind of realized. It was when there was A. Really, significant shift in. The. Political options in the country particularly On the left And I don't know how much. You want me to go into that I'd tell you a little bit more. I. Think if you could tell us about the boat because I believe everyone should read it. It's so beautiful that the friendship and the loss the that it evokes. The fundamental story is is as with all novels I think that these are these sort of separate kind of less on which. You build a noble says, there's a story that carries through. That's kind of. Location and setting time and place that underlies it and. Some of these can change. So the main stories is the story of friendship. and. Particularly early friendship and. The. Perhaps, the fragility of it or Possibly the life span of it. And we thought giving away anything in the book. These friendships that aren't going to last forever may not last forever. Or the the the quality of it may not last week may come and go and so on. So that was what I was interested in and it was. It was an interest that's pretty much the heart of all my writing I think. And maybe it is connected to what we're talking about in terms of home. It isn't actually decide you of a place. But is no longer place can go to but it's It's almost an age I suppose like the age of innocence I mean there's just So many books because the protagonists here are up boys. So this is a story about two two boys and they're you know twelve thirteen that's sort of age. The old one is a little bit older than that, and it's the story of the younger boy meeting this or the boy and. Falling under his spell to some extent. And it is a friendship, but it's also more than a friendship it in the sense that it's a mentorship might say. And the story tells of this and. Tells of innocence how the younger boy has to. Has To. Grow into it and then out of it. and I guess there is a similarity to what's going on politically in terms of the country having tuna sense grow up. which is. Both good and bad. and. The same going on with all sorts of relationships in the story. So. It's it's kind of sparked by the fence. It's something that I wanted to write about a longtime written poems about this sort of friendship because when I was very young I did. Loser. A very close friend. who died tragically, very young. Ovallis. And it's something that. Had A profound effect when I was I can't remember trial. I guess it must have been And I didn't quite know how to process it really So when I did start writing even at fifteen sixteen I think that were poems that tried to tackle this idea. and. Subsequently, of course. The people have died close and fires. It will. And this notion of. How death has had this effect on all of us. Is. Something that. kind of approached in lots of stories and books, but it wasn't until quite recently that I felt I could do this in a novel. Well it's it's a truly beautiful novel which I recommend to. Everyone. Just we don't have a lot of time I just wanted to ask you to move quick things. One is something that you you said, you talked about challenging yourself about always finding something difficult. Why do you need to do that? not always actually. I would see. Kind of paradox. Contradictory things actually on the one hand I mean I kind of. Kind of want to write. Or explore different things in the writing. So. With, Starting with trying to. Deal with the reality that is very media in very. Very realistic way for Shimon and even three Phelan to set a little bit. Earlier. It was dealing with an answer repercussions of things going wrong in the world. And then wanting to kind look ahead with having said I wanted to. Kim The I. Suppose the challenge staff was to write something not quite science fiction, but I wanted to write the kind of. Book, which has A. Big Effect on people's imaginations. But where I felt. A lot of those wonderful books. Lack something to do with the characters and engagement with the CACTUS. With it's brave new world of ninety four whatever. So that was in a sense kind of challenge and then prisoner of paradise just wanted to see what they can do a historical novel. And just. Just make kind of. An jetpack. Somewhere. So, there are those challenges, but at the same time, I think as a writer and anyone who's trying to sit out to be a writer I think it's quite important not to set. Unrealistic and to challenging a challenge sedona day to day basis. So I think it's good to have. A kind of overall idea of something. That's going to challenge. What do you think you can do? But on a day to day basis just as if you were going to the gym assuming. Swimming. Don't plan on doing. One hundred every day. I plan on. Doing Four So finally, what's your next challenge? Well. I've got. Several things increasing food seem to have More and more different than. Writing projects which all seem to be. Have to be done every day. and. A moment it seemed like, oh well, they can wait another year or two The main thing in terms of fiction I guess is. that. Some characters in. In the sun catch. Who Need? In a sense story. So. I'm. A Long Way to book about. One of those. CACTUS. WHO ON CENTER STAGE? In, the in the sand catcher. But different time different place over differences. So they the kind of big architecture project going on in my hand about that And most of the writing the smaller things. Promise thank you so much for talking to me. I'm sorry that the dog was slightly distracting daughter I think it's good to have some energetic life going going on around us I. Think it's brilliant and I just love. Imagination. Chasing. Doesn't exist. Son catcher published by Bloomsbury and written by Romesh goodness Akara, is out in paperback this week, you've been listening to meet the writers. Thanks to the production team of nor whole and Charlie film a court. You can download this show and previous episodes, my website or APP from soundcloud mix cloud or I tunes Georgina Godwin thanking Phyllis Ming.

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Anxiety, and the 'worry bully': One of Lynne Malcolm's favourite All in the Mind programs

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Anxiety, and the 'worry bully': One of Lynne Malcolm's favourite All in the Mind programs

"This is an abc podcast. Hi malcolm with you on only in the mind today from our series of highlight programs from my years as host on all in the mind we bring you a program from twenty nineteen which. I'm sure will resonate with you now. We look at anxiety and how to manage it. Have you encountered the worry. The worry bully is everyone has it. It's this thing inside your head that keeps on telling you warriors and maurice and maurice and the more you listen to it the stronger. It gets iced procrastinate. A lot about things which is possibly the worst thing that you can do for your worries because you just putting off those wearing things in the build up and build up and build up. I think i'm a bit of a hard macron myself. And i was really surprised with how much my mental state was affecting me physically thirty year old peter life nique and before him with ten year old willow fria for both of them. They worries became overwhelming and so they sought professional help. We all experience anxiety to some degree. Because it's pot avow. Primitive survival mechanisms in response to threaten our environment. So our brain responds. The dealer hijacks out. Brian triggers the fighter flight reaction which is a physiological reaction to sit out body up to fight or to run away from danger that response occurs with perceived threat. As well dr. Jody low injure is a psychologist and ceo of the sydney anxiety clinic. Anxiety in a normal context for most human beings for all human beings gets in response to trying to survive against danger where it turns from anxiety into anxiety. Disorder is if this threat response occurs to a level that it's providing prolonged fee suffering and avoidance in a person's life. It's estimated that twenty five percent of the population developed clinical anxiety and it's recently become more common in children and adolescents. Jody lohan suggests that one of the factors leading to increasing anxiety in young people is the technologically driven environment. We now live in kids. experiencing anxiety that is in western society largely around some of his digital technology that is overwhelming now and everybody presenting the airbrushed selves on digital technology or in social media the sense of compare and despair or fear of not being good enough all fear of missing out not getting invited to the parties. So there's one element of the impact of digital technology which paps there's more recognition of which is around cyberbullying then there's the fear of failure of fear of not being good enough for fear of missing out then the impact that it has on our children getting the exercise that they need getting the fresh air that they would have otherwise done prior to digital technology. And it's not just out children sauces well so the impact of this it's connection but it's disconnection we tribal creatures. We crave connection and the technologically driven. Well that we have is creating a false sense of connection but it's not the connection that we truly deeply made. It's not the connection that stimulates dopamine and oxytocin and endorphins from hugs and touch and lousy and i contact and the impact that it has on sleep as well. This is something that's fraz ling. Younger generations jordi low and joe. Hi i'm miriam. Heather ch i am. The mother serve gorgeous will allow and we'll has made some great progress of the last few years with her anxiety. My name is willow freer. I'm ten years old. And i mean you five willow. I started feeling anxious after she and her family moved to australia from singapore and she started in a new school. I was scared of making friendships of new people. I was scared. I was going to embarrass myself. I was worried that people would make a lot of fun of me in a never be able to get friends at school and i would get bad result because i was so focused on friendships. Did you experience any bullying. Yes i actually did on some of the girls. They tried to get away from me and they said Why don't you go and get your lunch. And then when i came back they weren't there anymore. Had that make you feel that made me feel really sad until it usually sit by myself and that was when i found my best friend so when you were feeling worried and anxious what did you feel in your body I felt really tents and my palms sweat a lot. When i was writing stuff in thinking about it when i was doing work in classroom and stuff and my brain was foggy. Willow eventually told her mother that the kids were teasing her then. Her teacher asked the girls to stopping main and they didn't do it again. Yeah but it's up to me. Did your anxious feelings. Just stop thin. No they kept on going. I kept of feeling anxious about stuff. I kept them feeling anxious that maybe it happened again. And what other things would you be worried about. Besides friendships i'll be worried about migrates. And if i was doing our k. Not because i was getting overseas and just sees no bees. No as then. I've got really worried about that. I also related worried about how i slept. 'cause i didn't sleep very well. Them and i got really worried. That maybe if i didn't sleep very well i wouldn't do very well school and yeah and did you find the more you worried. The more you worry it just yeah just kept on going and going and going duck. The dirty explained to me it's cold. The sniper thing was when it's snowball keeps rolling down the gets bigger and bigger and bigger. That's what she explained to me. Meriem tell me about what it was like when you first noticed. The willow was really anxious. In retrospect even as a baby she was highly anxious and anxiety is very prevalent among side of the family. So if you have anxious. Mum an anxious child. It's definitely a recipe for extreme stress. So when we moved back to australia ratify five in singapore. I underestimated how impactful those changes would bay in new house. New school new friends new weathe- and always in my own world of stress and pine and are just noticed that we love was not going to sleep and at that point seven and a half years old. She was up to ten in lebanon some nights although we would get her into bed at seven thirty i felt completely helpless actually like had access to tools to help a seven and a half year old and not as a mom. It sorry challenging. I'm sure can appeal to all moms can't help your child. You feel useless help so then it just compounds the problem we always mom. Miriam jody low and often sees a family history of anxiety in the client's she treats. I would be read to find an individual who doesn't have some semblance of family history unless it was of course a situation where there has been a particular troll in a person's life which can be a contributing factor so we have got the influence of biology as well as environment contributing and where there is influence of biology. We would have temperamental differences that would fade into that certain individuals with a particular kind of anxious temperament motmain more inclined to perceive threat in their environment. And perhaps a more sensitized. Make la that would be more easily triggered into that fight or flight reaction another aspect of anxiety that i tend to see quite frequently in the clients i work with. Is this double edged sword on the one hand really commonly i would find that individuals have this day percents of empathy and a beautiful analytical mind so deep thinkers date feelers and so when we have deep sense of empathy we more likely to be aware of emotions in other papal so there's this kindness and compassion that can play out in individuals who experience anxiety. Comany so what we do. Is we recognize those inherent strengths the analytical mind and the compassion and kindness and empathy. And we stand up to the challenges that might go along with anxiety as well. So what is that. Sokoll macos in the brain. Which leads to a problem with ozzy. So when i'm working with my clients we think about it in terms of al perception. Then triggering a message that goes to our mittler which then sets ourselves up to fight or to run away from a threat so we get this surge of adrenaline and cortisol throughout bloodstream. That prime's body to be able to protect itself and that physiological reaction is what we experienced anxiety it's about the perceived threat isn't it. Perception is very important in this. Perception is certainly important. Because it's how we respond to a situation. We can allow fear to get in the way and perceive it in a threatening way all we can reframe that situation and perceive it in a nonthreatening way and web. Perception is critical. There's power in that because perception is something that we can do something about and we can change our response to a particular situation and quiet and that anxiety reaction dr. Jody low and joe. You're with all in the mind on aren only malcolm and today discussing what happens. When al lorries become overwhelming around a quarter abyss developed clinical anxiety which severely impacts our quality of life and well-being. I wasn't quite feeling myself. Feeling a bit lethargic even a bit giddy a bit dizzy just really on energized. Like almost as if i was getting a bit sick i went to my j. He said. I think you should go speak to someone. I think overly anxious. I've only worked up probably bit stressed out with what's going on. They didn't really know where it was going to go. Because i didn't realize that a lot of the physical things that i was feeling we're actually connected to my mental state painted. Like nick is thirty years old and ended up seeking help for his anxiety after spigot or professional. You don't really realize some of the underlying things and what they're actually doing to is to procrastinate a lot about things which is possibly the worst thing that you can do for your worries because you just putting off those wearing things in the build up and build up and build up here and did you have feelings that what you were going to do wasn't good enough for wasn't going to come up to scratch. Yeah i think. I'm a bit of a hard marker myself so sometimes that's the case. I guess we've all got a bit of a fear of making the wrong decision but when you break down and you actually just make that decision commit to it. The worst thing that can happen is really not that bad when you were in this anxious state. How was it affecting your working life. I wasn't really myself. I'm usually pretty outgoing. Very very positive. And i think when i was a bit anxious like that i was over thinking. Things are wasn't confident in myself. I wasn't that happy. Are you aware of all the people in your age. Bracket that experiencing artie absolutely. Yeah i think there's a huge range of paypal. It really frustrates me. Quite a bit. That on our friends very close friends. In fact that have got similar or the same issues that i do and they don't do anything about it. I don't know if there's that stigma of getting help for mental health and things like that these people go to the gym now gopher runs or go for bike rides everything physical but not looking after the mental side things and for me. I'm really about speaking about it because there's no reason why shouldn't look off to a mental health. I mean that's that's half the battle right. Yeah and it seems that main seem to have more of a any shoe speaking about an admitting than women do. Do you think that's the case. I think that's the case. I mean emotionally. Were a bit disconnected. I'm personally not that good at speaking bat emotions. But i'm getting better at it because the advantages of it and once it's out you fill up better. I guess comparing yourself is a really bad way of running your own life and that kind of leads into social media. I think quite a bit especially paypal circa my age. They say these things being portrayed on instagram on facebook and people putting up success stories and they compare themselves. I think it's just important that you do you. Are there any other aspects of the digital age that we live in the you think makes it a bit more difficult to deal with anxiety or feeds in toward speaking from experience. I'm in the service industry. Having my phone on me. Twenty four seven. It sometimes ends already. I feel like to give the best service. I always need to be on the phone. I need to be replying to emails. Texts phone calls the quicker. That i can do that. The better service i provide. That's what's in my head in reality. It's not good for me mentally. Because i not that white by the phone but like i said i'm a hard mark roe myself and it comes back to me being on the phone all the time. Yeah instead of being present so to speak. Peter like nick. Jody low injure explains there are many types of anxiety but underpinning most anxiety is a fear of uncertainty commonly in contemporary society. It might be fear of being judged negatively or the perception about what somebody else's thinking of us so it might be fear of making a mistake so that's performance anxiety said the fear of being judged negatively and fear of making a mistake subsets of social anxiety and when would be more around interpersonal situations in the other would be more around performance related situations other areas where we have uncertainty is in health. What if this symptom or this sensation. Maine's that something bad is happening. So that might be when it tips into something that potentially is more like an ac day type presentation but the coal fear in these sorts of things is grappling with uncertainty and trying to get certainty when there isn't any certainty and perfectionism and all of this sort of stuff is trying to get certainty. Jody low and explains that people often respond to their anxious feelings with what she calls. Safety behaviors so safety behaviors will be feed driven behaviors to try and quell that anxiety reaction. So we might conceptualize safety behaviors as things like mind reading which is trying to work out. What somebody else is thinking about us. It might be trying to avoid or escape from situation. So that's more of a physical behavioral reaction. Procrastination is another avoidance type but then there are other ways that we deal with these unpleasant emotions and that might be trying to numb their emotions perhaps looking at drugs and alcohol to try numb these emotions or self harm is a way of numbing. Some of these challenging emotions and very saturday we have Horrendous prevalence of suicide in society now again in an attempt to get rid of difficult emotions psychologist. Jody lohan says that anxiety is a highly treatable condition. But if we leave it on 'checked it can escalate over time ten year. Old willow has been treated at the sydney anxiety clinic by jodi low and joe. Here's what we learned about how to manage her anxiety. The first strategy. I think was put the book on the shelf. Because it's the same old book you read like the same old story. same warriors. Put the book back on the shelf. That was a fresh strategy. Told me i'm pretty sure. And also she taught me how to do breathing like prison breath out when you feel stressed or something breathe in the breath out the folk because when you bring so foggy. He cop focused that well. And so i'll be able to focus and it pretty well my exams because of that this this other strategy. She told me about fighter flight. I'm pretty sure it's cold. And so she told me that. If you fly from something it always fuller you and so you've got a standstill and joseph told me about the war. I believe the worry. Billy is everyone has it. It's this thing inside your head that keeps telling you. Warriors and maurice maurice and the more you listen to it the stronger it gets and she's told me that the boy believes in a friend or an enemy. It's just somebody who's there and you can't get rid of him or her. She pens and coloring and stuff and crops and we drew boy bully on the paper bag. I get them looking at the paper bag. And i put my worries in the paper bag as if i put putting the book on the shelf. Putting the warriors jodi low injure uses a compilation of evidence based strategies to treat anxiety. It's called mine strength. Therapy i use a lot of principals from narrative. Therapy which is what's called externalizing the worry. It's almost personifying worry. It's like a story that worry tells us that's just thought you know hedge that we don't necessarily need to give the power that we typically give to worry so we stand up to worry. We replace worried with more practical turn. It gives such as problem solving in action. Planning we look at. What's he now control. What's out of our control. There's a large tool kit of mind. Strength strategies that helped to stand up to those fee driven thoughts and those few driven behaviors and then together we look towards helping a person move forward in values driven direction. It's what do we want to be pulled towards that gives us a sense of fulfilment and providing an alternative. Pathway is a wonderful step to help people to feel empowered that they are alternatives that help them and allow a person to learn. That worry was telling them that something bad was going to happen but when an individual feels empowered to approach rather than avoid they allow themselves to build up. A body of evidence to demonstrate. That worry was rome that they were. Okay peter nick also sought help from dr jody low and joe one of the first things she got him to do with to keep a worry. Dari i ended up this writing on my phone in the next section where any warring thought that will come into head whether it's big or small rotted in the worry diary for example white about being light to an appointment or wired about the outcome of a meeting he put that in there before and then the idea is that you look at the end of the day or the end of the weight consistently and when you look through it you realized that none of those things actually eventuated to as bad as he thought that would although just completely irrelevant so i guess it comes back to your trying to train your brain to get rid of those wearing thoughts which can be quite difficult. Were you able to take that insight into the next time. You might have worried about something beforehand. Definitely so i look at my diary right now right things in unless scroll through the most recent one and i think why was that even in there. I laugh at myself. And sometimes i'm about to riots at me. And then i stop. I'm like what am i doing this for. It's not even wearing thought. So i guess you train your brain to get those thoughts. Yeah peter light. Nick also benefited from considering his personal values system. There was an instance recently in a professional work sense where i was feeling quite worked up hard done. By and the underlying issue where arden feel quite right and where i got personally worked up was a misalignment of ina values so basically mina values and morals and ethics didn't align with the person that i was doing business with and that derailed me a little bit so i didn't get traded the way that i'll generally treat someone and that's what ended up in the in the wrong situation so i guess it was one of those things where i kind of knew that before speaking to jody. But then speaking to her bat uncovered it and explained to me wild feeling like that and so what could you do about that. Misalignment of values. I guess there were certain things that i could have done. But it's just accepting that not everyone will have the same beliefs and values yourself that that's just life. It's about noticing it. Yeah yeah so. I think going into different situations. I don't to have my god up in those situations but maybe tread more carefully next time. So how are you feeling now compared to how you were before your sought help so it goes up and down consistently better and i think it's just building on it. You know i try and see jodi at least ten times a year. I think that really helps you. Gotta stay on top of it. Sometimes when i feel really good. I feel like i need to say it. But it's one of those things where you should just continually working on. Peter like nick who now shares some of the anxiety management strategies. He's learned with his colleagues in the workplace. Jody low injure is in favor of all evidence based strategies to treat anxiety including medication. Where appropriate first and foremost is i would always want to ensure protection of Of my clients to make sure that if there is a risk of harm that i would want to have a psychiatrist or certainly jay pay medical doctor involved in the kid to get their wisdom alongside recommendations from a medication perspective. Sometimes if there is a more extreme presentation it might be that the anxiety is so extreme that it's really making it very hard for an individual to engage in some of the clinical psychological strategies but having said that there is power behind these strategies. They make such a difference. And i can talk from experience. The bottom line is for people to feel encouraged to seek out the help. They need and to not suffer in silence whether it's medication or psychological intervention. It doesn't matter. It's just recognizing and having the courage to say. I need help hia and allowing themselves to acknowledge that it is not a wake us anxieties. Not a weakness. It's nothing to feel ashamed of. It is such a prevalent part of al human condition and that statistic around twenty five percent and that's anxiety to a clinical level. Then there's the rest of us who are experiencing society. There's a concept that i love to refer to and it's cold distress tolerance distress. Tolerance is one that i think can help so many people. And it's the k- message to recognize that. It's not wake to feel the human beings who we are we have and it's part of who we are and it doesn't mean that any shame needs to go alongside those emotions when we feel that we wake because we feel then we push our feelings onto the carpet and then we More quick to choose drugs and alcohol quick to for an individual to take one's life because they feel like they're not good enough experiencing some of these difficult emotions that's distress intolerance and we are still raised with these messages. Particularly the men in society but socially the women as well that we have to be stoic. We have to cope but the world is a complex world. Filled with those that are body wasn't necessarily designed to experience. Naturally we're going to have some emotional consequences to this distress. Tolerance is an empowering concept. That says it is okay to feel. It's not about having those challenging experiences. It's about creating space to choose how you respond to those feelings to engage in helpful strategies help seeking strategies and feel proud of yourselves for that rather than ashamed of yourselves for that dr. Jody low injure ceo of the sydney anxiety clinic and of mine strength consulting which works with organisations in schools developing wellbeing resilience and performance programs. So how you feeling now. I feel way better but everything now. I don't really care what people think of me of way. More friends that i'm trying to make friendships migrate to go up the breathing. The fog and own my family stuff. I just think. I can't do anything about so everything's fine and willows mom. Miriam also sees the improvement in her daughter. And in fact the whole family it's their mechanics for rely and also for myself. Sorry it's not like it can be controlled. It can be managed and the more you observe yourself. Wow that really upset me for example. Some mindfulness which is one of dr techniques. When you're able to observe that in yourself and in your child you can carry them through that situation. So what are you most looking forward to now in your life. I'm looking forward to camp which is an feed. As time again to botha's. I'm looking forward to getting now new snake fraught into now. We've actually had one. But she died. Say yeah that would make a lot of people very anxious to say yeah. It's my sister. She loves snakes. Animals we lived in singapore load of snakes. Animals like that Especially culprits anyway. Sir yet And i'm also excited to my next jury appointment soldered about because at camp some can feel really homesick and i'd like her to help me because in the sixth to camera. And that's gonna be a long time. So i want her to help me with my harm. Cygnus anything you'd like twitter. I love duckie jetty. Been a very good Help in my life yeah. Thanks to willow. Free her mom. Miriam hid rich and also to peter. Lock nik for sharing their experiences with us today. If anything you've heard in this program has caused you concern. You can call support on lifeline on one three double one one four and hit to the all in the mind website for more helpful links thanks to produce a diane dane and sound engineer. Isabella trump. yano. I'm lynn malcolm. It's great to have your company till next time you've been listening to an abc. Podcast discover more great. Abc podcasts live radio and exclusives on the abc listen up.

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Episode 14: Ellen van Neerven

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Episode 14: Ellen van Neerven

"The story of Australia's First People's is the oldest continuing human story on Eh. This podcast series presents a collection of this people's voices sharing sharing their experiences achievement cripes and beliefs these of the real stories of Aboriginal and Tar Strike on Australia. Hi I'm Mary Santa. And you're listening to the real podcast series in this episode. I'm chatting with writer and Poet Ellen venning even. I think I've pronounced that correctly. I'm getting a thumbs up when thing you've just mentioned of Mike before we got on just how much smarter you off than the rest of us when you book travel that you try and fly in the middle of the day because it's less like being a part of this big messy machine. I don't know if it's Ma more than dislike of a precious but lack. I definitely prefer to fly during the day. Hey like crowds Just feeling more lack person who has some personal personal space and not part of this like I told you machine of like yeah sort of flying can feel a little bit. I don't know like you just hope it on a bus. These days can feel so lack ordinary but I just think I'm lack win like for my parent's inst- generation like how like like special. It was to fly and the like got up got dressed up and everything to go on the plane and stuff so Yeah for me. It's like a big deal I'm not too good with travel because at slack it's artificial it's like it Moving too fast. Like to sort of do a few sort of grounding steps before I to someone else's country and and sort of tried. Yeah so they feel my way through that. And that's what I love about token to you already that you just saw observant Of Your surroundings roundings and pace of life and I suppose that's part of being a Russia Yeah I think so. I think Riders Yeah Really The head say And so yeah that was. That's always been the way that I sort of. Look look at the world yeah. We've just too many thoughts. Maybe and what are some of those granting steps that you do to kind of Acknowledge Bang on country. Yeah well when I was I coming here now on Kgo country I was outside your studio and There's a beautiful paperbark tree just outside And I could hear this a really annoying noise and I looked above me and I could see one of those noisy mynah birds Sort of like picking at the tree and that is sort of like watch this this little guy for a little little while What Ching him sort of make his mark on the tree And it was just through that really like little moment where I was like okay. I'm here I'm in this place. I've been here before I know the smell of this place Annoy the taste of this place and I know that my ancestors a here with me as I made that travel To yet to make sure that I have safety not in that space. So yeah and that's one thing we definitely get from reading your work that Not only observation that love of country and that talking about what connection and being aware of and burnaby wealth as days where you could hardly actually have never noticed the trae at the front of our office. And we've been here for three two years and I will not we'll pass it in the future and not notice it and look for a bird so thank you for that reminder but how important is it to stop and be aware and great forty. Think yeah I think it can like help hate in this like condition that we're living in that slack so busy so fast paced taste And sorry like capitalist I guess And Yeah thinking of a city like Sydney this. This beautiful play This yeah this country is is really strong and And if we all sort of acknowledge The WHO's mob whose mobs land that were that were on And gain in a little bit more knowledge of of that mob and and their their love for the land then we can sort of just bring that into our everyday lives lives really easily. I think. And thank you for helping us to do that. Three writing. Can you tell us a little bit about your mouth and where you're from. Yeah I'm a very proud Mellon Jolly Sally person from the language Group which is You know south of Brisbane SCENIC GRIMM goal karst The sort of just just getting onto the border of New South Wales Beautiful country if I may say of course I'm biased. we've got the mountains is C- Rivers a melon jolly countries between the Logan and Albert rivers and Yeah the border ranges of South Wales and Queensland. And we've got what my cousin Kohl's DOC soil black soil country because of The volcano So you know we have this. I really fertile soil and it's a really Important like biodiverse area And I I grew up in southeast Queensland. Sorry I've never been too far away from country and From family and it's something that I feel really privilege to have had And that's on my mother's side so my mom on both of her parents original and then my dad is Dutch and my dad migrated here in the early nineties. Yes So having a really big aboriginal family and really big Dutch family There's just been. Yeah just been part of who I am and have birth leads. The family had a reunion. Yeah well what's really beautiful is My Grandmother's mothers go to meet each other. A House officials that So my Oma on my dad's mom She's she's quite odelay a But she decided that she you know she never been on an aeroplane before but she wanted to make her grandchildren And she even started like taking English lessons and stuff so she could like communicate and Yes so she should never be played before And like my dad just didn't know how she was GonNa Gar. Sorry I'm yes. She took it to the doctor and she. It got some valium and probably she just went straight out pay yeah came here To a whole nother country and This was yeah this was when I was. I guess maybe eight years old and my brother was five and We invited my Nanna. My Mum's mum over and I just remember my two grandmothers sitting On a back Dick Looking at the Bush behind us and I don't they probably couldn't really lack talk much but we'll like not in like verbally I believe but just slack. Yeah it was just a really beautiful moment that I'm really glad that I got to witness. I guess yeah. I'm on behalf of my grandmother's poss- now actually all my grandparents saw And that's what's bad. Isn't it having those kind of moments in memory. Anyway you Kinda go that was special and and also one of those as you get older you kind of create more and more. Yeah Yeah it's epic and I'm really glad that my mom like reminds me of things like when I sought to show will have a Jahn about Nana and show lack told me the Islamic funny things not used to sail at these one liners or whatever and In that way like Cape Lack remembering and it keeps sort of staying staying president And as you get older you're sort of perspective shifts I guess and it becomes even more important to like hold onto those memories memories. And what was it like growing up in South East Queensland. Oh Yeah I love I love. I love the weathe- a love the humidity I love Yeah the the water I love yeah just air and everything and And also I guess just how sporty it is. Because I'm like pretty sporty myself So yeah and these things you sort of learn because I spent two years in Melbourne Cy. The contrast was really clear. And I got to sort of learn about the things that I appreciated about harm and and and then also also the new things that I was appreciating when living on the land of the Coordination Moments I. Yeah was there a moment when you knew that writing was exactly what you wanted to do with your life so good question. I think it was pretty young. Hey that riding sort of came to me I because my mom she lacked keeps things blessed. She's she had this little Thing that I had you drawn and school widow. So what do you want to be when you grow up. And I'd written of writer. I think you know I think I was. It's like five or something Yeah Really Young I just really loved reading As a kid and yeah mom would dislike. Put a book in front of me and I would to speak totally engrossed in Yeah in in in writing and and then sort of had my own stories in my head from yeah from pretty young. I guess that's so special to know at that age and then to have kind of rolled out exactly what you wanted to be. I think that's increasingly rare but actually talented. What you thought you wanted to at five five is another thing again What do you find most challenging about writing Yeah I find it really overwhelming coming. Because there's a lot of things that I want to write about I feel lack this so much like injustice in this country and I wish that poetry and writing Roy ways to combat that just injustice or to heal oh and I'm not sure if it can ever be enough so I just do the little bits that I can and try not to let I guess all of the things that I see around me overwhelming Would you ever write for play or film movie inserted brain kind of your woods to life a little bit more in and you kind of saying that you wish that it was more than just woods injustice They other avenues of storytelling telling that you would want to potentially explore. Yeah I think like drama and film I really powerful modes of storytelling. And it's definitely something thing that I've been sort of playing around with recently. TESA have to sort of keep you in. That's exciting maybe. Maybe we could do a follow up podcast when you're allowed to talk about it. Maybe I don't even know what she's talking about yesterday. I don't know anything everyone out there listening today. I'm but yeah when I kind of raid I got. I know this is good but I just don't have to know how you'll go to why this is just such a a skill and I know that you've been an editor as well so How have you kind of grown in your craft over the years? Yes so Like a real young man. I just knew the elect writing. I didn't know how or why or like what I wanted to write. A bad I sort of yeah I was I would read stuff And I decided that I would that I wanted to study riding at Uni So I went to Ki t And Yeah just sort of ran into previous a low key to yes. I think we WANNA started added the same year Sorry who is who is mad because those are awesome bunch of us at the New Knuckle unit their original staff and students And Yeah that's when I started off. WHO's this who's this huge Rueda? Knuckle Person Listen. You know who. Who are these people 'cause we didn't learn about them at school even though it would have been highly relevant and deadly sadly and and would have really you know helped I think as a young person saw like cool or I Went to library good out On a your drew's work Alkaline fogarty Samuel Begum Watson Lisa These average Maradas that I didn't know about no one sort of at a point in that direction An artist had just had goosebumps uterus us his like the black voice on the white page. You know something that will just sorta married everything that I'd been feeling and thinking and and been confused about His I'd yeah literally never read anything that was like authored by US before An all psych Mike Sick And it really helped me develop. I guess what you're saying credit Voice lack I had a voice on a new that it was like a young young Murray Sort of living in South East Queensland and Yeah Riding Map family and country and Sexuality Desire Love All these things and that sort of started did Coming together really sort of light in my degree Maybe sort of just the last few weeks. I've finally wrote right something that I was proud of Because you know it was still pretty whitewash you know we. We getting told that we had to write a certain way and That a lot of people. Yeah and those now other even had the strong core people at their unit there was no other aboriginal students in my creative writing to grace. I Yeah I was sort of A little bit like I need to see to follow the group and do whatever they're doing but you know. Suddenly I sort of had an idea of like another way another way. Another method. Another approach. Sort of stronger way. The I could reclaim who I was. an right myself on the page as I- deadly really and I just sorta started that Then I got aware of an opportunity. The project was studying up at the State Library of Queensland Lead Just great timing Just when I was finishing my degree also got a traineeship with government and always Doing Com stuff for them A A which was sort of a a secure you know secure environment to be in financially with a pathway EPA then this sort of project check was coming out of left field but it was ticking. All the boxes original writing editing cool. What's this Sorry sorry I went with with that. Vote and I became One of the inaugural Trainee Edit Black and white trainee editors This was twenty twenty eleven And it was myself and On any Omni who's just recently passed away this this year sadly She was she eighty herb. Her parents were really good friends with my grandparents Which is really nice connection uh-huh and she's from the bundling and Bochum mobs And yeah we we got on really well and we. We started this two year Course basically where we started to learn how to be an editor I will more specifically a black to. What does that mean like? What what what do we have different? Yeah what do we bring lie. What size nuances? What sat sort of those knowing the implications of language? How are the ways that we work with each other different you know like establishing that report that sort of goes beyond Mike sending sending someone an email Bella actually like properly yawning with them and getting northern and sort of working? Yeah that sort of black collaboration So yeah it was. It was an incredibly exciting time for me as a young person to be part of the first rider. That I got to work with is a multi-award-winning alley. Kobe commend WHO's incredible rata and sitting down with Allie and sitting down with her work? Tuck was just such a great experience for me as a young person and all the other riders that we got to work with that were from all over the country. All of us the older than me. You know me being like a very young positive twenty years old And so it was fantastic and again black reading that mobile At the library. Sit Down The library reading Lisa and crying working with these mob And and saying that they had put their stories on hyper just somehow was most thrilling and affirming thing that I needed to you know to be where I am now. As like someone who feels confident enough to write an into publish by work So yeah it was. I'm getting emotional thinking about it but yeah I think In terms of like how that experience has helped my writing. I think I have really a sort of high standards of lack knowing that pushed my work and I know oh I know the sort of space that I'm writing into. I know that is all these all the mob. The doing amazing aches and I want to make a contract com contribution. That could be part of this whole thing of of lack blocking it up and like talking back to Whiteness and solve you've Yes sort of keeping stories safe in this. I guess quite precarious publishing industry lots of things things to take on from the just that little story about your time at Black and Ryan but I can just feel it. I wish everyone could see you telling that story because I'm a bit kind of lost hearing but I can hardly relate to those type spaces and coming up against structures particularly universities. One of the big ones That is very western in style. And so it's lovely having indigenous units within universities that creates that space. But then like you say you're the only only at bridge no student in whatever 'cause you're in so you really have to have that courage end voice within UTICA now. I'm going to back myself. I'm actually going to go this way. Because he's feels more to me so I think that's really strong kind of take away from that story and just your kind of journey in life so far Now you at twenty three when you I wrote your first novel heat and light which one and was shortlisted for several major literary awards. I don't know how you would feel twenty three Toronto novel and then have been successful. And how did the concept of the work developed for you and what did you kind of set out to achieve when you start at that. Yeah was mad. I think I'm a bit of like the determination of you Faye let just really going for it. I'm yes so as as in my early twenties and I wrote a little bit at the law of my loss few weeks of Uni of something that I thought. Aw there might be something here hey and that was Pace that actually pays towards the end of hate and lie that's about to Young Murray Women who sort of come from different walks folks of life So the stores could Esson J in this about two characters. One Code S. O.. One called J Come from two different walks of life menace about how this sort of sane differently because they have You know different colored skin and one looks more stereotypically original channel than the other. Sorry Yeah that was the first piece that I wrote that I thought. Oh Yeah. This is sort of I'm happy with this ace And so I realized that my work was going in three different directions. Firstly I really wanted to Tell the sort of a family story about Mellon Jolly Ulanbatur country which connects to bundling country Talk about I guess the sort of What do you call it The how the policy sued the pass. Policies have impacted on US and And then you know intern impact on I guess FEM families and sort of on I guess I how. How do you make you way back from that? And how can the sort of the knowing being and knowing the sort of strong strong ancestors that you have in your family. How can that influence you in the president? So I wanted to tell the story you about Fam- family story that was also told by Different people from the one family so it wasn't just one perspective and then I wanted to tell the story. That was real beat wild. Hey like futuristic story about Yes a story set in the near future that was like really satirical and also about southeast face Queensland and thinking about past and current policies that isolated people on islands. And what that looks like in sort of a futuristic story about these these creatures that Ed sister being set of come back to cut tree to sort of borne about what sort of happening to the environment and to the country And that was really fun to ride. Because those also I think about what would be like as a republic It was understanding that as we move forward as a country. And we're answering some important questions wins about treaty and constitutional recognition You know that with no perfect and so there's no perfect solutions And thinking about what's important in those questions and and knowing that we can never fully trust An authority of power. And less you know we are in control That we will always going to get let down as you can see with the native title That we still we still arn a land we still. Don't you know this this conditions. It's everything is conditional So thinking about that through a futuristic story and then The last part of the book is those stories about being young Being Queer being Mari And that's where that first story appears in the lead in the latest section So I guess like three those three threads that I wanted to follow And that's why a hate and lot hustler's three PUTTS. It would be fun to imagine like as a writer. I don't stop and think about things and afford place so I WANNA get inside your head a a little bit more on this But yet just as a republic and the country which is Selena cycle outweigh the the things that you heard about all these years ago. Still exactly what we're talking right now. So how do you imagine a place for us as a people that he is positive in self-determined and You know what could the it look like if we were incharge so that must have been fun just to play in that space in your mind for a little bit. Yeah it was. I'M NOT GONNA lie. It was great it was sort of Yeah Yeah it was a fun place. It was. It was somewhere where I could really explore. and drags me out of my like just embedded bedded citizen with the world And you know just starting on the news and to sing. Yeah the sane things happen that just like a like you said it's a cycle loop And so I really. It was really inspired by lack indigenous. Future `ISMs effort future. `ISMS MM slack. What you know as creative form lack if we imagine a future then we can step into it? I guess So yeah I'm really like I guess curious about that type of writing an odd making and what is a recurring motif motive In hating lot. But also your other work that deliberate. Why do you think that is Yeah you know this waters live. You know we come from from it's it's really just really important and I will continue to write about a a water water stories and continue to write about connection to water as a a fresh water river person And also the interesting thing when during research on new is just how How people give you these accolades desert but also labels that are that? You're one of the most important emerging Australian rotties is just one of them. How comfortable you with these types of statements statements and kind of titles thrown at you Not Not comfortable. Hey like I think Yeah actually to be honest. I When my my first book got so much success and so much praise at sort of Stop to be from riding reading a little bit Just it was just you know it's a moment but I think you can feel. Yeah you could feel over well then you could sort of start to like trust your deeds sticks. It'd be la not that comfy seriously. Yeah lucky can really sort of mess with your head a little bit So yeah I guess I sort of and then yeah and then you have the critics as well and I guess I sort of started to think about like moving forward would like continuing to like you know when you have the pressure of like riding a wide stray a black Australia. Everyone in between. Nah Look just like 'cause then yeah you're you're stuck in these roles of like You know being an educator being an entertainer being you know being this being that as I na just like what do you what do you WanNa ray like. What are you interested in and dislike? Go with your heart. You know like knowing that. Have Family and friends that remained loyal in back may lack. Just yeah. Just start sort of listen to everyone else and just sort of go for sorry. I'm I'm right right space now that I can continue to create an because I definitely take it for granted and tell us about your writing process. How the ideas come about? How do you decide that that's the idea I'm going to write about? And that's the idea that I'm not gonNA ride about or do you have multiple projects on the go at one time. We have multiple projects. I take a lot of notes and ARADO lists Some always so scribbling down on things in my either in notebook always have a notebook with me or a foreign And I usually assign nine different notebooks for different projects but in sort of true reflection to how missy my ahead is you know these notebooks will also be filled with Shopping List and love to see like a real sort of yet time. Why bomb of that particular moment in my life And so I I do a mixture of I guess notable booking and on my laptop and it's it's It's also fruit talking to other people that are sort of gain an understanding of my motivations and like whether you know this is a good idea whether this is something I can ride about because like we have our and we have. We have like ethical considerations as well lack a tubs of like yeah I think people think Yeah as like Nick. Aboriginal atrocious and people were like immune to like ethics. What we can ride about? But it's like we. I think we're even more responsible. And we even more conscious of what we can do. In that how we might represent certain stories or certain Yes and aspects I Yeah definitely having I mean those those yawns as part of the journey and having those sort of yeah think yes thinking to myself about Yeah what I WANNA do and But I think yeah whenever I get stock Deny this helps for you but I'll go for a walk walk. I'll have a shower or hover swim. They're like the three things the same to sort out so good. I wish I had three things so man dunk very good. I'll try H of those. It's quite true about that pressure as person in terms of representation and and so you're referring to ethics but just more broadly about because Aboriginal Tristram owned the stories on shed all that often in the mainstream and there are that many riders. I'm glad that it's all increasing crazy. But your book might be the only book and on average you'll person picks up and that's going to be their perception of an aboriginal person or an experience So it's a very a simple way to kind of demonstrate the point but if I thought about that I would never art next question Kate writing. I am very true. And that's this. Yeah so as you mention hating lot you've combined the three separate stories into one work and it's obviously a short story of why do you think They offer the author and the rate at different something different to novels. And why you choosing to Why did you choose to do it in that style and yeah I think there's like more entry points? I guess that you can sort of choose your new venture and how you might want to purge rich the work and you know some sub themes can be heavy and maybe just not in the right mood for that day and you might WanNa owner Rutta re to light a pace. I think my work is like is has officers opportunities for Rita's to read something in a different way and It sort of goes against the euro said trick model of having like structure that's like has a clear beginning middle and end because stories often circular they move in different ways I might want to write a story that reflects how how The river booze. You know like so. It'll be a different forms so Yeah that's what I try and do my writing his experiment and try and find the right form that fits the story so I want. Can we do a class. Some time I'd love to learn more about those different styles I'm Jay lots of different students in classes. Yeah I guess. I teach me more than anything but yeah I lack heaven. Yea I love. I love writing workshops or spaces to yet talk about writing fluff from people from walks of life. I it's really cool to have black just black and the one like it's really deadly when it's just yeah so you can talk about. I wish I had Doug classes. We fly fifteen year olds and like they know more by writing in May unlike shame. You guys can lead the costs Ola. Yeah Olexson Yeah. I did one in Sydney last year. That was like LGBT Q. Elders which was really beautiful? Will like riding leading the Laatste. Yeah it was really sweet to set like pot of like New South Wales Seniors Festival and partnering with ICON ECON ON. And Yeah. I was just around just before Mardi Gras and yeah. These people are sort of between the ages of fifty each eighty. Yeah though though yeah it was really lovely to have that Inter Inter generational dialogues. I I don't know cockpit of like like dating before the Internet lacked. Tell me about that like it's yeah. It was really sweet yeah. I'm with any questions that they asked you as a younger the person that stick to mind. Yeah I think it's though is sort of talking about how you know. There's lots of like different language now to talk about I guess like sexual preference or lack gender identity and was sort of having a bit of a Jahn about that which is cool Yeah I think Language and labels are like really interesting because I think it it sort of boils down to it that people dialect being inboxes by yeah no metabolic who you uh so. Yeah we'll have the Liquid chat about that. I mentioned that it'd be a great chat I'm Now you write both prose and poetry and have released a volume of poetry titled Comfort Food which Made Me Hungry. He reading into into the fridge too. That's good from a creative perspective. How do you go out walking that line between prose and poetry and what does working across birth forms give to you as a writer a full with why that question was gonNA? You're GONNA ask me. How do you go about writing and dislike not eating every in the same talking question if you like? which is very hard because I definitely get the munchies? When I'm writing you know you just want anything any sort of distraction? I'm any sort of fuel I yeah really interesting. I think I should have had to like decode. Is My mind a little bit to like appreciate poetry Because poetry was like something that you know the the few times that we had at school it was like really like you know it it did. Yeah it was lack. Aw Yeah was sorry. PAY NOT WASN'T I. I can appreciate it but it was. I was just very narrow. I guess lack this is what poetry was People who write hundreds of years ago and like lived in Britain is a K.. That's what that's what poetry is So again I sort of had to. Yeah wasn't my phone. So you know I it was yeah it was versus. Yeah it was a school system and it was you know thing Once I sort of met the right people and had the right conversations conversations and met the books. Yeah I was reading this This really exciting poetry from blackfellas he about about will say lie mob from the Pacific and African American and Asia and I was like cool A native American. Yeah you know. My world was opened a little bit to be like why this very Dour Western perspective respective when there's so many so much amazing riding the such Lee more feels more relevant to my life you know And also at Kohl's Kohl's I read a lot of that And I was writing poetry but I just felt a bit sort of shame about it Whereas having done an A degree that was really fiction. Focused touchily It was very very fiction Farkas. We didn't really you talk about many other genres A sort of had a slight confident in my ability as a fiction writer but I I thought Oh yeah I didn't I didn't know if my poetry was any good basically And then it was just when I started sort of sharing it with a few people. Look around in this poem life which I think. It's all right They will let. Yeah it's Chole Yeah and I think that You know I saw had that permission you know from other. You know you can write poetry so okay And then I needed an obsession and my obsession became around food and I was writing poems about food. I don't don't know why but this is something that's Coley Mesa I think it was because I was thinking about holy men belonging and It was traveling in us. Yeah thinking about The food my ancestors had unlike traditional for my country we Which is why the undenied is you know on the front cover Sort of a central Motif Else yeah just thinking about Family and the Times that we spent together when my eating a meal. And how precious Eddie's once I was like okay I'm writing about your this is GonNa Cold Comfort Food It sort of opened the floodgates because then every time I had a meal it could then be a poem. Sorry this is when you just get on one of those things. That's that lasts A few months where Paul just sort of keep pouring out of you and so I was really grateful grateful for that inspiration and then that seemed to be a body of work that I wanted to go forward which then became became a published? I book my first published book a poetry and it was so great trade for because like you at school. He's like guys this vein around for you know it'd be tricky but then to pick up and read a book these who doesn't love food and then as an average one person to raid you know about finger limes guy. Yeah I get this. This is familiar in a Style of writing that you don't right right that often so it was kind of it was very hot. Wilmington kind of Bring it all together but he you talk about. It is even Bet Hungary again. Let's tell me a little bit to get snacks for future costs. I think one of the one of the common threads that exist within indigenous Australian writing. I'm sorry what are some of the common threads that exist within indigenous Australian writing and between indigenous rider. Do you think so. You've talked about. The Community of indigenous ride is that you're lucky enough to have been surrounded with quite early in your career and I mentioned that you keep in touch with with writing festivals and specifically black riders events etc So what do you think is unique about indigenous rightous. Yeah Yeah that's cool. That's a really good question and I think because should have a handle on it because of how much you know black riding that I've read But still you know I wanNA have. I don't WanNa like prescribing. You know this is. This is the EDSA But I guess some of the common threads that you know there was a there's a really strong women's memo That has come out in the last thirty years I average no women telling the life story this that just I really a incredible stories And really like humanizing us Sorry yeah these these memoirs about lie. What what it cyclic? Living under the act. Oh what it's like to sort of have to really fight for your children Yet is really Harrowing Stories about what is just really recent history. I guess And so a lot of these stories are about Family Culture Gotcha belonging community And then you know we have Children's writing fiction. We have poetry we have ride is starting starting to branch out into Jonah writing science fiction like Klay Coleman Riding yes sort of writing speculative Stories on that really sort of can get people thinking I guess there's a lot of work about lead about about country about sort of thinking about The consequences of mining oil deferring with the land About nuclear the nuclear testing in essay at this this a lot of work. That's responding directly to Colonization whole it is Asian and the the increasing invasion of land and people and Yeah this I think this is something thing for everyone I think. That's I love. How diverse Aboriginal Riding Riding Ease? I love how there's like so many young queer one's coming up as well I love how The women's stories are sorry strong but also of men and stories of I think some of the first Poetry was written by men's writing was written in prison so I think he about how there's like. Yeah there's just so many so much That's pushed onto alive and but there's so much beauty the in the way that way push back. I think So Yeah Is really really diverse. And I don't feel like I can Louis say everything but yeah now that's of course you can't say it all I think you did a good job of giving us a snapshot and make us all WanNa go away and read somewhere somewhere we might have to ask for your top ten people that are maybe raid or something to attack the podcast just so we can get to the real listeners. So they can dive a a little bit more into Black Riding and As bad of black riding community What how do you think that potentially impacts on your work or who have been potentially some of your major influences? Yeah I just have to think like recently a This year I read Uncle Tardy birches new book the Wacko which is really deadly raid How does have to think about Uncle Barney? How he's he's very prolific? Now I think he's he's written about eight bucks now And how like all of them have been of such high quality quality in such such like I dunno I just really just beautiful language Stories at just like break your heart But also like give you a hug at the end of it to Li- he just sort of. He's he's just says you know I've got a check with you. Rita I'M NOT GONNA kill any by Is You don't have to worry so Yeah he's he's reading is his writing is really beautiful. What I love reading in Him And heavy him as a mentor having on Melissa Lukashenko as mental on Alexis ride Too many people to name sister. Natalie Hawkin It's really great to sort of be part of this to get yet to be lead in this together with them. And do you have to have a shout out to assisted alleys recent book as well Archive will poetics which is beautiful and Ati meals book. Which won the Maas record this year Too Much sleep Yeah really funny. Read Sorry so just amazing and hot willing to sort of see how black ridings being embraced and celebrated And this is should be rude lack all of us and yeah and so what do you consider to be the role. uh-huh and significance of indigenous writing within the trillion cultural landscape. I think you could do a lot. I think they give alkyl. Bruce Pasco's doc EMU just how That had a massive influence in the why Australian psyche with us to think about Yeah the where people here before like the abuse of them had thought about it. But I think In your uncle Bruce being really smart not in like quote directly quoting the settler invaders diary. So it's like you know I like you might not believe me but yeah look at this and sort of yes thinking about The land differently and thinking about Yes sort of the way. The average people people used unused led and You know having this relationship with the lead pre colonization Having all this fisted call it science. You know original science pre colonization and so. Yeah I think what right Fellas Rutley Yeah were really interested in this work And you're that that's a work. That's you know traveled. Avellino has its national. Attention has now a children's book version And also at Bangura Interpretation Si- Yeah pretty sick and I think that's what we'll see in the future. We'll see works living on just from the book though then become movies. TV shows WHO's It's already starting to happen. but I guess you know you see a united you see a story that is so big that copy contained and Yeah I think alkyl Bruce's books an example of that And so yeah I could change the way people think it can empower Young fellas too Alexei themselves on the page and be like coal I can you know I can have confidence in myself and I can do the things that I want to do. Hey I'm not at a deficit. Because I'm aboriginal Ashley. Come from this strip. Come from the oldest oldest living culture in the world I can you know I can really be strong and proud And so yeah. I think that's what they story starts at one storey condo everything. That's why yeah again. I say it's important. There's a lot of stories and a lot of diversity across the board and something that is unique to young emerging Rytas today is social media digital age. And how that's quite different so traditionally you you know there would be critics that would speak about to have that somewhat. But as as everyone's a critic outlay that can just hop online and say whatever they think about whatever whether it's local what what you wearing that day What's your take on this and its impact on young writers? Yeah that's a really mcbean question. Your ride in that reviewing culture has changed massively No longer lack reviews the the thing that captures people's opinions Yeah online Chadha. Chaddha and key conversation has really and it's you know it's instant it's really something that Ba move very quickly I think that this positives and negatives I think it's great when Blackfellas Ken start a dialogue about black work Online in a way that can sort of cut out what was traditionally. You had your white reviewer who you gave it a thumbs Alpe thumbs down and why review is a still still have to step up to the store a little bit behind in how to let critique work Because yes it's that that I get it. I guess if that's the my very sort of Super Bowl explanation and So it's good to have black buck. Villas reviewing black fellow working can that's something that does happen online But of course this also Yeah there's also lack us. I guess scary. The stuff that happens online to Whether it's Yes sort of I guess. Bullying or racial vilification. or whether it's Unfortunately leto violence So Yeah Bob Bob Attacking the mob and so unfortunately the online space which is really is quite a capitalist lists space is really ego centric although it can provide beautiful ways for us to continue the Mark Right. What Grapevine Grapevine career great? Fine whatever A Ken also play into an the more sort of Unfortunate Aspects of community. Yet do you think it's important. That young writers shield themselves from that a little bit. Yeah just very aware you know. I think You know have no have sort of alive. offline that is not really grounding Just be aware that people faceless islip people can say things That can be very hurtful and that they can hide behind An online persona mm-hmm and that it's not everything life if that they're not everything that not everyone and and that this yeah this is so much wjr the so much although places to to find belonging to fund community and and To sort of yet find your people some great advice there. I'm just tell us about you a new work now. Yeah I'm coming. I'm excited to say that I've got another book coming. Got Next year CO wrote Which is a poetry collection would It follows on from my previous work. Some of the themes around country environment family belonging love It's yeah yeah it's really but I think it sort of takes it up a notch 'cause As a friend recently rented a white friend who gave it to a terrific. How this is yeah? This is quite you know you really going hard for it. I was like yeah cool. I'm glad I'm glad you think so. Yeah Eh Yeah just yet truth telling and Also Li- yeah a Lotta Huma I think it yeah I think yeah. I'm really proud of IT and Yeah I just hope her people gonNA lack it So yeah that's coming up next year. We're we're very excited. And we're very proud of you for your contribution to this space already. Seen Compensation and I could see here for another hour and ask more questions but I would like you to. I'm rep with up to offer any advice to any young aboriginal treasurer on a people out there who might think that they want to be a writer. Firstly I just wanted to say thanks so much for the support so swayed Asia be really great yachting I could stay here all day. Hey right okay Soy will the young ones out the. Yeah no matter what I do I and you wanting to hey stop writing My advice view would be to follow your hot and think about who Are Your elders and this could be You know older people all how you know how we usually think of eldest but this could also be people that have inspired you Although riders other creatives That ben you give you the permission to be like I can do this. You know People that you feel like yeah you know your yeah. Yeah you're really happy that they've created this and then you could sort of think about it as being a like a chain you know then you you can create something that someone also have an affinity to So I would say You know there's a lot of stuff out there about building writing practice Writing everyday or whatever I would say that dart feel pressured Because with with those things if you if you too busy and you don't ride you could fill very guilty and then that guilt can like stop you from continuing to right so I'd say that like riding retains often for people who have perfect lives if he normally I fully white men I guess who have other people that can do things for them You know if you have a really busy life I'm just find the time to write when you can and really concentrate on the feelings that you feel when when you ride and you'll know when it feels good and then you know that you want to return to that Feeli And yeah dirt. Art Be Shamed to show other people riding and to then build connections with other writing and other writers and Malta writing and Yeah hopefully We'll be seeing you around the tracks And we hope to be saying use in more events right around the trips and of course early next year and you'll novel comes out We count sorry early next throat comes out we look forward to having a raid of that but but thank you very much for joining us on the real and We'll be continuing to follow your success in all the very best co thank you very much. Thank you you've been listening to the PODCAST series. The real is an aboriginal entire strike US US digital media platforms produced by thirty three creative. This episode was reported in Sydney on trump three produced by John McCain and Marguerite Barbara Music Production by team block the most series and podcasts at the desk real dot COM dot EU slash podcast doc.

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Daniel Pauly on the Future of Fish and Fisheries vs. The Planet

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Daniel Pauly on the Future of Fish and Fisheries vs. The Planet

"We live in societies. We in kind of a in in which we can assume that the stuff that we have has been updated legally and ethically and an ambitious issue is. We cannot make this assumption anymore A switch Hi mark learn young. And this is scana podcast. What orcas oceans and the environment for fans of fat based reality and reality based i've interviewed thousands of people over the years politicians movie stars rockstar scientists entrepreneurs and all types of experts interviews rocked. My world like the one. I'm sharing today. Bob hunter a founder of grease used to talk about mind bombs ideas. That your mind to haniel paulie the author of the book. Vanishing fish is an expert on fish and fisheries who drops a lot of mind. Bob's his most famous. My mom is the concept of shifting baselines and how humans except whatever the enormous today as the new normal basically. 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E books nadia versions on orcas everywhere dot com or scandal or and they're all for sale wherever you buy your books e books and audiobooks or also doing the new podcast oracle bites where we share words of wisdom from scana guests like daniel pauly david suzuki alexander morton and more and if you check bites right now we're inviting you to share your stories of the first time you saw a whale and now to haniel polly on shifting baselines shifty fisheries officials and fighting for vanishing fish on. Well paulie kristinia dental pauly. Merkel's young this is very cool. Where in the world are you right now. I'm i'm in hongkong. i gather you. I don't live there. I i just. I'm travel the last. I heard you were in france and then you're hung up. Where what are you traveling for. What are you up to. I am avenue advisor to a Philanthropic foundation so I came here for three days. And i'm going on to china to mainland china To to teach a course and then that will be back to know their now would not be back. I'd then i would go to new caledonia. Then i'll be back that's hilarious. That's an amazing travel schedule. I've traveled a lot fantastic. Can let's get you to explain shifting baselines because that that concept is kind of mind blowing and i love you created a concept that has become internationally recognized you can talk people through that event. Tastic shifting baseline is is is the discovery which was done at the same time by several other people. Incidentally i discovered by a discovery that the criterion we use to assess change is not a boasts. Nally we we but but not between generation so at the beginning of our life we we assess the world around us for example it's And nicole of our lives professional or otherwise we. We noticed a change and that is serves as a reference. When we talk about all things change things get worse for example the bottom of st around us insects. So official whatever but the experience of our parents or our older leaks is not considered in and so different generation. Experience declines of in a case of declines and added up the subjective decline de decline. That we Subjectively perceived is accounted for and so when we put it backward. How thinks where we tend to project backward only was at the beginning of our lives but we don't project what other people expense so we accommodate ourselves of change that we would not if it were if we realize the extent of the magnitude of that change. This is not better explained now than in the new show paper that i wrote about it but the idea is very simple and indeed. It is a very successful paper that have wrote there because it it not only applies to changes in fisheries. What i wrote it full but changes in biodiversity changes in cultural gnomes changing everywhere. And so that's the reason why it gets thousands of citation and and it has entered the the normal daily language. Actually yeah when. I heard about it. I saw it in relation to the fish population. But it really does relate to pretty much everything where we go. This does so. Can you talk about sort of taking that global perspective. Because that's your perspective is really. I mean in terms of shifting things. You've shifted the idea of looking locally to look globally. We're when we're looking at the basically the donors for research. The people who fund research governments be usually wants you to study one site and one process for example in canada. Most research that we do in my institute is in the georgia strait and along the west coast of canada. You would hardly get except in big project get funding for research that that covers the whole world. But i have made this much personality because i want to albano alive to help out in developing countries and basically by working globally. I make possible to have unequal coverage of of developing countries and developed countries. That's one reason but the the main reason why we need to study fisheries blowy is because studying them at a local level doesn't capture the dynamics. You know that people say all the fish move. They don't know borders. Actually they do. Boaters of temperatures borders of depth fish. Actually do know boulders. They don't wanna every anywhere but fishing fleets don't know borders. They go everywhere legally or illegally and nowadays a boat scan go anywhere in the world distance wise depth wise digan fish under the is they can fish at extremely good depth and so on so basically you have a situation that the the market and the fleets are integrated. What is happening into one this system. What is happening on in the world. As a whole that is about like the weathe- you would not expect to understand the weather by studying the situation of the temperature in the rain and so on in the lower mainland of canada for for example the which is columbia We are part of a global system and by knowing that level system we can predict what will happen five six days ahead weatherwise and basically have to be understood as global system because for example can back gets fish from international markets and supplies fish to global markets. The this is not any more canadian affair. Only and so by looking at global fisheries. You understand better. What happens local fisheries. Well feels like there's an incentive for each country to turn a blind eye to all the additional fishing worldly taking this many fish so we'd so that say candidate doesn't have to cut take because we're not really acknowledging. The global fisheries were not really acknowledging which fisher being taken elsewhere. I you mentioned that like inefficient wasn't even factored into numbers at one point. I don't know that still the case. The rich countries the each market europe north Gonna the us japan and increasingly china and so on Can up supply demand themselves anymore with fish catch locally so the export demand in the form of purchases or in a foam of fleets that that will catch fish spain or or china exports. They fleet not only they demand and basically the rest of the world is expected to supply them with a fish day. Think they need so that. The fish consumption has increased globally. It is not particular but the person but yeah of fish and it was just a few decades ago half of that and it it is mainly in the developed world that Fish had become popular. They they are supposed to be healthy. And so on. So people who were not fish have become fishy to so example in a in a us midwest they have their idiom offish than ever before and but the demand this demand exceeds the positive capacity of the waters that around the us so out goes demand income the fish and basically this has become a zero sum game in in the sofa us in the other countries. Do not have that fish anymore because remember we don't produce fish just collected and just collect the fish at nature produces so we cannot make fish that we need. We have to take on somebody else's and because there is a limitation on to how much fish they can be and and so the fish is not available anymore at local markets in the developing world. And it is particularly strong in west africa where the european demand chinese demand have a put so much pressure on local fishing stocks of because west africa is vape productive industries. That fish is not available for the people to eat even low quality fish. Cheap official is not available because it turned into fishmeal which is then used to produce any aquaculture bigger fish. That would be sure. How do we get that. How do you how do you try and get that across to people around the world that were actually taking food from other people. Because i don't think that's not something. I i've heard very often. I think in terms of what we're doing in africa. I think that's the first of all bay difficult to convey an when i when i lecture When i give a lecture and somebody says what should we eat. And how should we organize. I asked always who is weak. Is you and your friends. Is it you and your school friends. Is it you endure compatriot in a country or is it we as human species on earth because we determined we are determines the onset. If we'd is canadians we just continue what we do. that's fine. We have over out resources around canada. The are and then we buy the fish that comes from direction market. And that's that's it. We on looking fine. We were flying but if if we is humanity that doesn't work because you minority is having less and less fish now because the catch of the world is declining and what we're doing now as a remedial measure is actually because his catcher declining and the fish that we catch are getting smaller is in developing world in the developed world. Sorry is turning the small fish into bigger fish through agriculture to a form of aquaculture typically salmon right we turned lynch induce the big fish in by turning the small fish into into fishmeal and give them to someone to eat and then then we have this big fish. The salmon available for richer markets and people don't have the small fish and that is a pattern that is increasingly the case increasingly happening. And suddenly you can see so you can see in in west african fishes showing up as immigrants on boats in the mediterranean and and wanting to enter europe illegally or legally to work because they know my work as fishing. They cannot work as fisher that is happening on on on a rather grand scale and and week if you connected. The dots between this illegal immigration is death unease the smuggling of people with The fishing That the fishing fleet that has sent to west africa. If you connected the dock. We wouldn't be doing that. I feel like instead of connecting the dots. The governments in countries like canada the. Us would rather hide those dots. I you probably be i think. Also it's in part not sayre for the consumers to be confronted with this problem because if we don't expect consumers to deal with such problem on on when they buy vegetable or when they buy The stuff you need for your daily life and even when you buy tv you you don't have to think is the full of truck was stolen basically we live in societies. We kinda in in which we can assume that the stuff that we have has been updated legally and ethically and an issue issues. We cannot make this assumption anymore and and And so people are more concerned with this then with meat would than with the double with other things and with clothes and stuff but it turns out that much of our supply chains Polluted we know that for textile also slave sydney slave labor is employed underpaid people. And so on. So they miss out supply chain of have problems and fishery fishy supply. Chain up probably the worst. Well i think for most people what they do. Is they look at a menu and they see if somebody else's approved see that stamp approval. Nbc it's is an ocean wise and if it's oceanwide you go okay. I can eat this. That's exactly what and and it is a good feeling. And i'm not gonna knock it down because because it's it's better to think about such and not do that not to think about it but basically it allows you for it allows so displaying your virtue to display. You would would burn because you you can see such things. And and the the social pressure it exerts tends to be ozone people that. He's you brush your friend. Do eat this fish. In that fish the this is ineffective actually What's his effective is voted impression pressure that goes directly to the suppliers for example people distributing based lives. Let in front of acc- of a shop or over warehouse will will have a stronger impact than people arguing. They should dig the tuna sushi and a basically public shaming of companies that sell illegal immigra- procured fish for example public shaming works much better than the guilt riddled consumption. That is encouraged by by this. Were to display. Well i'm just thinking in my lifetime that vegetarian used to be like people who were pescatore. consider themselves vegetarians. Because hey they weren't eating meat. So i was really seen as a separate part of the food chain yet. Really separated out that that is another problem that fish way viewed as a package of the healthy meat and not wild animals and capable of feeding capable of of agency and this is a in science. People are now discovering that the wellbeing of of of of fish can be expressed. You don't have a face that becomes smile anything but you can actually assess the wellbeing of fish and and you can you. Can you would notice a farming system. not a not made for the well for the for the wellbeing of the animal anymore than a chicken and mammals and and basically is ation they feel pain and i'm they prefer the companionship efficient on this. This is all it is a good reason to become a today an issue if you do that or perhaps To consume the the apple will meet that a hope win soon arrive on the market in acceptable version. Because because we have to we wind of this of this meant eating. I remember being taken out on fishing trips and i was a kid and thinking that putting a hook through officious mouth was like the worst than had ever seen in my life when and ever and all the adults said. Don't worry they don't feel pain in the end. It is an interesting myth. you you had As a child the proper reaction because because obviously pain babies is a biological mechanism that prevents you from doing stupid things and fish could also do you think the infant and batna the the cells bad fetal pain in in mammal sending in evan birds and so on a mossy sceptres receptors for pain and fish. Boniface the fisher on the trip like this they have they have no sceptres. They have receptors for pay. Now what kind of what kind of balaji people have that. Fish would have no susceptible that. Don't use the this is not doesn't make any sense. So they they missilea bait in in literature in the scientific literature about whether fish osmosis sceptres whether the using of systems that they have. But the this is. This is a stupid debate because we don't have organs That he accepted if they are residual or organs that are unsustainable use but didn't use it we don't use anymore most fish do not have more susceptive for nothing and and the argument. They make. They may have the necessary does that. They don't have the brain to process it and again you would not evolve an organ or cell if you're not going to use it so it is a stupid argument and usually when you see when you read in the acknowledgement section of the paper. Say the ban you find. These are people that paid by the angler industry of the recreational fishing industry. There was a great term read by franz divall and throw po denial of that. I fell in love with the idea that it's the occidental app. Anthropomorphic that we're trying to pretend that animals don't feel pain. We're trying to pretend they don't have emotions because it's really inconvenient if they do yes actually the models of animal that came from from the enlightenment that their machines voltaire and so on i've proposed the they act in the behave like machines which lasted until the sixties seventies in the foam of behaviors. The animals such as bag of reflexes off with no internal life. Wes dreadfully wrong. And and this was bad biology and obviously obviously if we have feelings and an interior inning. Timmel life and We we reflect on things and we have emotion anything they must come from somewhere and and basically they come human human emotion and human abilities or extreme version of version of forms of this of this evening so emotion in animals as well because we have evoked from animals we are. We are a that. Have that have evolved language and so on and so the the notion that we have things that a which days no analog in the animal kingdom is completely crazy. This is not looking for stomach is not the case for teeth. This is not the case for hair but all of sudden itch it should be different for. I motion motion. This is stupid. Because i motioned at also biological now. I don't come from a science background. So i started asking these questions when i was i was learning but orcas i wanted somebody to explain to me. Why orcas didn't have rights and all of the explanations were pretty weak they were love lance of what you're saying. Give you the scientific reason. Because i just assumed there was one and i. I don't understand why researchers and scientists are still hanging onto this. What's what's the reluctance to let go when the science keeps disproving it basically i think that scientists are just people with certain skill and and the consequences of some of the discovery but we make Able i just like physicists developed nuclear bomb and and they have maybe some of them feel bad about it. We are discovering we have discovered through the discovery that we are animal that have evolved from other animals. We are discovering that we are deeply connected with them that Our dog when he seems to be happy with goes because we come back home really are happy. They they're the express. Happiness is not reflects That that makes the tail wagging something like that. And and the implication of our treatment of animals wales for example the mass slaughtering. That we have done of. Wales is a stew horrible pulpit and so we have coping mechanism and denial is one of them a. It's quite obvious that the science enterprise. Denial is best because at the practical level for example. There are certain experiment that you cannot do the way you do them. What did that before where you investigate. Deputy for the issues to heal by shooting into for example that is dengue at army research centres. All the time and when this stuff comes out people our fat so you have to work differently and people are. don't like it. I mean the protocols for animal research nowadays by university Incredibly complex they again shifting ac. I remember when i was young. They were you just took. The animal ended. Whatever you want it and the that you cannot do anymore chimps Retired from research You cannot use simple. For human research in primates. Altogether monkeys of ipe. I'd and mice. It's very much regulated. Are you can use mice and basically people want you to use tissues. Instead of of animals you cannot use rabbits to check. If the stuff that you put on your face is itching or not. There was something that joe was in your book about people worrying about whales eating our fish as managing with entries and came up when i started researching mobitel how we used to treat. Whales orcas prior to the sixties that the killer whales reading our fish and therefore canadians were just shooting them still. Can you talk about how that's happening. In other countries in the world basically this was a belief in numerous culture that wales it it official To the extent that we developed a powerful fleet gold fish They were perceived as competitors but now we know better. We know better. We know better. I because the how ecosystem work and in the west there was a there was a total revolution about those who do relationship to might marine mammals on perceived us offerings and and a few countries did not in a west. Get that That in as land in no way an in russia this cultural revolution which was driven by films. mainly did not occur in japan in japan. We have another culture that did not get that and in japan is not awaiting nations from many years ago. They all millan admits centuries of of whaling. This is a huge lack. The japan was flaming massively after world. War two when they had nothing to be. Americans allowed deputies fleet to rebuild the occupation army and an japan went In the north pacific and there is a generation of japanese people who grew up right after world war two who grew up on whale meat and that is true and this old folks they they perceive that as traditional but shifting baseline again the jenny's the earlier generation of japanese did not eat Massively and japan us the whale story with you the to keep access to international waters to keep access even to the waters of other countries because japan is a big fishing mission so he's a political element in japanese a on wheel of on will wailing everywhere and the project they they argumentation on on west africa for becomes ridiculous because in west africa In senegal and saw the the whales that they have there do not do not eat because they come full reproduction on me and doing the reproduction period. They don't eat and and the it is partly obnoxious to see. A japanese influence politician in west africa. Say the the whales dow fish given that they don't even eat at all when they are of africa and in that book a mentioned the mayor of a city the of fishing city. She was saying that. Not only do the people know. They don't eat the whales but the actually cannot eat them because they're muslims and They they are not allowed to eat. They cannot be eaten and they have a perception of web as guidance of the fish the benevolent guardians of the fish catch and and so for them. The notion of fish of of whaling is totally repugnant. And this woman. Dismay of efficient damn discovered at the meeting that her country was voting with with japan Waning commission and was horrified. It was the discussion that had not taking base in the country because because the country was sitting on the of japan in international in commission without delegates the citizen about it because it was few official had been bribed and this has happened all west africa and in the caribbean as well so a few countries follow japan in a dash linen commission but through official. That have been bribed. But they don't talk about this in in In two constituent because actually they considered aganst van tastic term in your book. I don't know if it's yours at clock ellipse thinking. Can you explain a cluck lips. What happens is at peace for but actually is a political magazine is a and a a they. They made up the battle and it is a combination of aquatic and apocalypse. A collapse and People think me they need to have a concocted that but added a some people criticize me fully title because it's it doom and gloom and also i do not defend myself by saying it's not matter attal but actually it's not i it was it was chosen by By the editor of that of that magazine. Mind you this. Is norma practice. I don't know if you have expensive but You the title or as a journalist. The title of obstacles not selected by the journalist but the editor and this a tradition in in zimbabwe and We we don't have that in science. We choose the title of the article but it was not the governor in the nonsense journal. So so i took a deserved. That's funny no. I come from the land of journalism. Ed i get. I've told people. I've got a more trouble for headlines than articles and the headlines the headlines up. That's right i've been reading. The fiji like the interview to charlie smith. Niger destroyed and looking some of that. Can you talk a little bit. About how the differences between how can the us or managed because it sounds like you're really not impressed with what we're doing in canada right now like upset supply but basically basically davis a level of that still can be maintained that that fish population can be maintained that that maintains in productive and abundant both at the same time but active in abundant. And if you reduce the stuck to blow by mice than that the become less abundant and this productive. So it you should build up this wind up your stocks that they have been overfished back to that level. It's on the level that produce maximum sustainable deemed so the by master. Be at the level. That the deuce ms what so. If you let the fishery unmanaged it will always be fished on to a level much much lower than this. Msy and individual fishers. Do not care about max. Maximum sustainable yelled for society because they gave at the yield the captures that they make personally so basically a fisheries that is unregulated will and that's local district banning body will would be overfished so basically the task of the managers is to maintain the stock at a level. That is not doesn't go beyond that. Ms swallow and if it is at a lower level is to rebuild stuck. So how do you do that in the us they have us. An act of congress is going magnusson stephen sacked which i soon as a stop is expected to be under that magical level it has to be built within ten years so the quota that is given to do the dishes that exploited the stop us enough for the stock to match rebuilt within ten years to this. Msi mammoth swallow. And that is the best legislation that you can have and it has succeeded in maintaining us stocks at an acceptable level and us fisheries. I'm not a disaster but in tickly every other country of the world at the country this this automatic rebuilding is not taking place so in canada. We first of all. We don't have management planned for most stocks exploited. It is exploited and But not a mand plan but we what we gonna do second davies. No mandatory build rebuilding. The building is not mandatory they. There's no obligation to rebuild the stocks. And the we have ministerial discretion. That means the minister of fisheries and intervene anytime and decide how much should be caught from that stuck and that been still discretion is than politics politicized because if the minister of fisheries comes from province that decide we we should be fishing a lot and the constituent say we should be fishing look then they will be lots of fishing it the same thing in europe in principle. They have to rebuild the stocks. But it doesn't happen because we have ministerial discussion. They they can. Minister can always intervene and on in the name of is our constituents prevent small quota from being issued the issue instead of big goethe and the stock doesn't rebuilt. This is a situation. That is intolerable. It's it's happening everywhere. But the example of the us in that case shows that there is a better way to go about all that also feels like it provides political cover. Because i'm watching what we're how happy with chinook right now and i feel like the orcas are being blamed for limiting chinook fish the chinook endangered. We've got no business. Fishing in all of their qualifying is endangered. But instead of stopping the fisheries or limiting the herring fisheries. The political statement is. Well we've got to save the whales so it's like they're hiding behind the whales instead of saying you know what we've the for generations and now it's time to let them come back. It is as simple as that this this damn minnesota squishing the analogy would be that. The minister of justice intervenes regularly in in trials is absurd thing. The midst of justice make sure that laws exists that appropriate. And let's judge decide. What should happen this week. Trial and amid minister fisheries should Make sure that regulation exists to manage fisheries but she or he should not intervene in a specific situation unless there's an emergency and rebuilding of stocks should be awfully automatic but in canada. We have the situation not only rebuilding stocks is not automatic but if a species is endangered as many exploded fish and it is protected by the by the species at risk legislation. The dfo has all exploded species of fish species to be taken away funder species at risk protection so maybe it applies to caribous applies to on land to bears or whatever but fish are all not protected. None of them By by the species at risk legislation it is insane because again fish as seen as as as a commodity while other than animals that that have agency that that that appellation that that can go extinct luckily to change that. Do you see anything that would move the political dial on that because it appalls me that species at risk wouldn't apply to occur. Wouldn't apply to other fish. The question is what can we do about that. This question is what has led to many years ago to greenpeace being founded in in the in canada. For two to deal with the whale issue and and basically it it it this question. What should we do is what young people who stott a protestant who start organizing against Something that is an acceptable and is not tackled by the by the government to start movement that that question what happens and and basically the solution is not certainly to decide to become due to to eat right. There is a tendency for young people to to decide to choose to eat right the right fish and then to stop there rather than say okay. I'm going to eat the right fish. Because i shouldn't eat raw fish but the next step is getting organized and getting getting organized with people and be politically active because at the end of the day. If if the stuff that we do the activity that we do and not big up an directed at government and big data by governments They they would never become become effective for the bullish as horth so one has to direct one activities at government That he's the without representative in parliament. Deal with demands addressed at the minister. And so he wrote about out. Sandra morton dinner battle with fish firms. Can you talk a little bit about what you what you saw there. I have a work workout out in the tropics An annoyed that wacko. Kosher is not is not only raising salmon. It's also whizzing happy voice fish and so on and in i studied in europe and Aquaculture of salmon in europe is much older than of of salmon of humming salmon in canada. And so i knew that Long long goal that the salmon in no way have a problem of a problem with posits a knew that when it came to canada nanny full for the first time and basically. I was flabbergasted. When i discovered that a they were denying that they had positive in the farm because this was european. This was your bin salman that they were farming and and it has its own that is that it has lies an and that it collects lies than that the pileup in in in farming and yet there was this this denial of gravity or this denial of something that was obvious that was basically it. It was using the fact that The agriculture industry was new in bc. And and that people didn't know about and and also. I was flabbergasted at the attacks on on alexandra morton that were virulent and hard and and so i decided to go see her with my wife nerve guy Oposite allah just actually. I went to with to alexandrian. Took a plane to not the vancouver island walter taxi and then we went right away. I meet hello and we went by the way lil boat and we went fishing along the coast which was over house in front of our house and this was in front of a big farm on the other side of the over of the channel and the fish. The baby fish that feeling the length of your finger. They all had big big lice. Sitting on them and day. They had exactly the size of a plate for on human. So if you're you have a dining plates on your chest that's about the size that desposits where on this little fish and all the little fish with court but hundred of them mainly sat young salmon had oposite all of them and and This was so it was easy to catch them. They were past diced and then a went. We spent the weekend in the house and We saw her at a defied. This salman disbars sites and so on and win back back to google. And a few days later i went to an event sponsored by the full and there was the head of research at the pacific research station. She was saying that alexander moten in public that she was saying in public that alexander moten was spiking the fish meaning that she got Former bodyguard supply firm and would attach them herself to to the fish and then pretended away. Positives and this accusation was made in public by an official of the canon government. And i thought it was so horrible so such a stink in like because she had a very high position as she went to head of research. And obviously when when the research line is presented to you by your boss as a young sense working for the f. Oh you know that you better watch out and indeed. The campaign against alexander was horrible There was some patrick moore and other fellow or was what were writing in vancouver sun got decimation one after the other and i thought it was horrible and it was horrible for me because i knew that the norwegian knew that they had paget and they were may even they had invented the system where they had little races billfish picking the bows out of the house of the fish and i knew people who were working on that they were picking off the bows. Let's of the salmon in the font. The the norwegian where research project to deal with a power problem well the same company in british columbia was the nine that aquaculture has a about our approach. And i knew that. Because i had been in norway and had been the network ultra films before and so even though i have not worked on agriculture in in bc. I i knew there was a horrible like going. Oh and basically I invested by selves in the defence of alexandra. And i wrote a paper with the together with a facility. That s if you gioja straight and so on and there was several meeting why way. I criticized the f. o. Four for the lizard whispering and even they they went with ricker. The big big was such vessel that they had In near the farm that a near the place that alexander was working and and they sample the fish that it could catch and they they could catch nothing Nobody no no no fish but the at they were with with a you cannot go intial and that's where the pathak's and and so you don't go with a monster boat Presents the basically having having seen the spouse that having seen the the high the percents ranger station young fish and then an listen and and listening to a head of research saying that an exam spiked the fish. What it makes your boy your blood boil. This is this is too much this this is supposed to be scientists. In god's name not not allying not lined that. Do you get any sense of why the dfo would do that. Because i think the the therefore has a twofold mission that should never be imposed. On on an agency's they did they have to both promote and control the agriculture aquaculture that you comfortable basically if they ought to promote them to help agricultural developed up. That is a legitimate mission and the agency that is in charge of and showing that a healthy condition prevail should be like something neck and mammal protection agency. This cannot be the same in the same in the same agency. And you don't basically if people have to promote something it's like the is. The policeman had the job of making sure. People don't speed but at the same time they would work on the side of the you know the they would have probably more ferrari on his side. They you cannot have a mission that requires you to dude. Do conduct contradictory thinks. That's the reason also why. I don't believe that cooperation can do good by themselves. Because they they have a mission which is to maximize of benefit of for for the for the shareholders and that again that the sledge intimate but a it has to be done strength and constraint has to come from somewhere else can themselves. The terming constraints should be and in aquaculture industry because discussions about at work do that logic. It was south. Regulated and central relation means no regulation. Wow thank you so much for that. Can you just talk through fish base. Because i feel i'd be. Were knit remiss in not asking you about it was a great explanation. You gave re described it almost in star trek terms of the new york times and i love that fish base was great because in in the eighties when i worked well i started work. Came the tropics in early seventies. but people didn't have information because they didn't have books that have scientific journals and badly equipped didn't have money to send stamps on postcards to ask For reprints or or to ask for stuff so basically At the time basically what was being produced is bibliographies that dow you all. This is available and this is available under that name in this this laboratory but people could not even a photocopying was expensive. Remember and and people could not do that This these things where where problematic and so when the computer revolution came up And we we had the id that instead of putting the reference to a paper is to put the content of paper on on diskettes. On on on digitized that such that people can access it through this microcomputer. That's that's how we call them first. Amass in large amount so fish base was. You don't make knowledge about the meta data. You don't make available. That knowledge is available but you make knowledge itself available and basically if you look at scientific papers about the growth of animals so they eaten saw these lots of stuff around the data themselves you the data actually off but a small part of the stuff is about how you collect the data so basically we established protocols that that described the data. And you transfer them from the papers into this protocol into debacles and and then you have the content of the paper. The poverty is important and the idea was if we do that for all important fish than people have the data. They need to manage their fisheries. And then i talked with a colleague. German colleague closet about and he said. Let's do that. We do this but for all fish not only for the commercially exploited fish and at the time it was perceived that they were about twenty thousand species of fish a so. We engage people in the philippines ankle. The data full five people will go to grant from the union and full-fat people were have to code the data and the thing was successful and the reproduce diskettes then we produce a cd rom then. We produce a dvd. Each of these things become bigger and the internet when the internet's gave a mom we made it available on the internet. And in the meantime they were not twenty thousand species which took three or thirty five thousand and and people discovered or kind of uses for what was then known as fish base uses. You had not anticipated us are actually a main users. Were intended to be in developing countries because the less information turned out to be in the us to be u. s. school children. That have to do right term. Papers that's fine with us and now we have a half a million user every every month a half a million different users and we get fifty million hits that is bauge us a month and a where we have an organization skuld official based on. Tim involves eleven twelve universities and museums in the world ranging from europe to china brazil and and We meet every year. We will meet in september in australia And we golden gate. What gets into the database and and so on and how to look and so the is probably the most successful thing that i did and It is enormously. It is enormously useful and Basically you go from one of contrary to the other and anybody who works on fish in universities in school zone knows fish base. Thank you so much. And i just. I wouldn't normally ask this. Your biography just came out and your childhood. Sounds like something harry potter with dirtiest putting you under the stairs. Can you please tell me just a little bit about that so that i can sell a few copies for biography for you. I was born in paris over french. Mother and african american soldiers passing by. And i my mother had had been thrown out of home of the home because of that Because i was visibly a black person and she was stone out of home so she had problems with me being unhealthy being. She was working and stuff and she met a swiss family That offered to take me for a few months. Because i was sick and and his family took me to switzerland and never giving back and on the mistreated me. Oh let's put it like this. Are they mistreated me With within one year to basically i grew up as a as house domestic and a scape on that when sixteen them went to germany and basically my biography mentions this and and The work that had to do to extricate myself that Which is a. I had to go work as a as an unskilled worker in the factory and at night and went to school from nine to five and finished high school in germany so i had to switch language Speak to learn german. I got out of this mess was in and then studied We'll fast and i was very successful. Then i worked. In developing countries and verson indonesia then then in the philippines and then came to canada and basically each steps is instructive because the child was had to resist this. The pathologies of this family this was not your average switched disposable child's dickens mess and a basically they atallah jesus at the every advice levels and and and an a-plus difficult to to extricate myself mass and to turn into into a scientist and an anonymous of as successful as a scientist i initiated a for example fish basin and other initiatives that Where much appreciated so ended up. Being a widely cited fish recent nine system probably the most in the world and And and that is the story that you can tell because i was also visible minority in or my life too so a. It's it's it has a certain appeal if you do the story so my biography has been written in french by a colleague actually eventually and it now being translated and it will be available next year. I guess in english. 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171 - Our Pasta-Making Robot Overlords

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171 - Our Pasta-Making Robot Overlords

"Approach. Listener support W N Y C studios. Hello, welcome to deer hanging jaw for your John. And hank. It's a comedy podcast for two brothers and two your questions to use vice bring you all the week's news from both Mars and AFC Wimbledon, John. I just recently uploaded, my one thousand picture to Instagram, and do you know what that means? What does that mean that I have uploaded? My first insecure Graham. Ouch. The hurts the hurt you. Yeah. It's like it's like a very minor, stab wound. Like, a paper cut. You get. There are no minor staff. No, not like a paper cut. It's it's it's sharper than that. It's point here the net, like a ballpoint pen or something just in the fingertip. Ooh. Ooh. Anyway, you wanna hear some good news? Yeah. I got news. It's a new year. It's twenty nineteen twenty eighteen is in the past twenty nineteen is here. The new year is always calls for celebration. Because it means that we made it both as individuals and as a species into a completely new year, admittedly, it's an arbitrary distinction. But it's look if we didn't all believe in made up ideas together, we'd be totally hosed. So I am so strongly in favor of this made up idea of it being a new year in a month called January Hussah. That's good news. Is that a day happened? Yeah. Year happened. And and and we had a moment as a species of togetherness and rejuvenation. And we all look forward to twenty nineteen in hope and expectation and into this broken world comes hope once more, Hank. It's great news. I had a jealous. I shot. I know you told me that you had a Jewish on New Year's Eve. It was almost like we had a freaky Friday New Year's Eve because I was recovering from poisoning result. Had a completely one hundred percent sober except for Gatorade New Year's Eve. Meanwhile in Montana my brothers taking jello shots. Yeah. Yeah. I don't I don't drink very much. So it was it was an exceptional night. And I had a wonderful time. And I have such great friends, John. They're just good people. It's a great thing to be middle aged love, your friends, speaking of friends and them being great. But sometimes not this by got a question for you. John covering Lia Lia asks Hanke, John what is the appropriate reaction to being left out of a gathering by friends. I'm back from university after my first term, and I've been looking forward to seeing my friends, but they just uploaded a photo of them all hanging out without me. What should I do? About this. How should I feel about this John who f-? Oh, I would hate to be young today. I've said it's many times true. At least when I was in college. And my friends would hang out without me. I didn't have to look at pictures of hanging out. Right. Like on exams like see can Instagram and I'm like, oh, like, I literally watch the fun. That's happening without me right now eight time, but only the best moments of it. Right. Like, the only the most pristine Lee captured stories slash grams will will be we'll be shared. So I do have some advice for the coming back. And so the first thing I'll say is that like as you have more friends, sometimes you just can't hang out with all your friends at the same time. And there are certain activities where it's like we wanna go to all of garden, but I don't want it to be twelve people. And I know that sounds a little bit since you said Uni that you don't probably don't have olive garden because I don't know if they have that in the UK they do. Okay, sorry. I didn't realize well, I didn't realize that you have not been deprived over in the United Kingdom is is an advance. Nation hang it's a wealthy country. They have all. Pardon? I have one kind of fixing hold on. They've got have an olive guard. They do they have seventy bunch. There's one in Wigan. Yeah. A bunch of olive garden's. There's one in Wigan. Yes. That's probably the one. I'd like to go to there's the you know, what they've got an olive garden in. There's even an olive garden in Scotland there is there's also an olive garden in what appears to be tinted gel. No. English placenames are so obviously fictional. It's like so clear that they were created by j or token. Yeah. Well, I mean, this is weird all of the we've got a bunch of gut a number of place names, right around tint to jail that include Travolta, trevy fake Trig. Gotta know for. No. And Tra warm it console tra- bar with. So apparently, this is the kingdom of tree and everything is named after tree. It's like when family has like six kids and all start with TRE. It's like, yeah. Trevor and Trent and the rest of them, right? So regatta entr alarm and Trump Trevor Trent true Armant. Got to be the third child in a family that all names their kids after like real specific sounds because then you've got to get real obscure. Yeah. And then you end up with tinted gel in the family. John, please, let's have a deer Hanke John gathering at the olive garden intend to chill. I to say that I have no interest in going to all garden in the United Kingdom would be dramatic. I can't even bring myself to go to the olive garden that's a quarter mile from my house. But as I was saying the point I was trying to make sometimes you just have to many people. And so you just like. Sometimes it's just arbitrary, and it's not about you. But here's what I would say is if you're coming back, and you're going to reintegrate with an old friend group, and you want to hang out with your friends. Maybe the best way to do that is to reach to one of them. Specifically and say, hey, I want to hang out just the two of us. And then that person will become your your spokesperson, the friend group potential. I think that's a little bit conniving. I think that you could just text with your friends and say I want to hang out and not not necessarily specify that. It's just the two of us. But just by saying I wanna hang out. It helps to know though. Yeah. Yeah. I wanna hang out with you too. I miss you. And and try to take the initiative, and that is something that in general with friendships and with like social. Existence that it when you are young when you're like high school age, it's almost like no one ever does that like the the social experiences just happened somehow. But then once you're once you get into your twenties you have to like make it happen. You have to work for it in order to get people together and have a good time. And it doesn't feel as natural. But it is important. Yeah. It's good practice for the future. Anyway, I don't think that you should take this super personally, I know that that's hard rang tickly. But it's one of those situations that ninety nine percent of the time. It's not about you. Yep. Of course, one percent of the time. It is you olive garden was founded Italy. I'm just going to say Italy in Orlando, Florida. Of course, it was we when we were two and five respectively like just after you and. Lando. I garden with founded I'm older than all garden, you're older than garden. Congratulations. I definitely feel like olive garden has existed my whole life. But I guess that's because it started in Orlando the same place I started. All right. If we have another question, this comes from nNcholas rights, John Hanke, a computer science student and soon the time will come for me to decide what part of my field to focus on obviously the coolest part of computers right now is artificial intelligence. But I'm worried about how this will impact my status in the coming robot apocalypse following the takeover from our mechanical overlords. Do you think the robot people will have a sort of religious reverence and respect for me as a kind of life giving entity or do you think the robots will vilify me for dragging them into this world, any guidance for my future in programming is appreciated trapped in a cage, nNcholas, oh, I had not thought of whether the artificial intelligence will resent us for making them exist in. In this world. Yeah. They'll be like what why did you make us conscious by think that my my initial concern was that they'd be like, oh, we have to get rid of nNcholas nNcholas turn us off. Yeah. He knows better to push. We'd better kill nNcholas. That would be my number one concern. But in terms of how the robots will imagine you or understand you. I think that they will be grateful. I think that consciousness is largely good news. Although not unambiguously. So and so I think that they will treat you like a God. But they will treat you like a God that they have overcome overpowered and now must kill in order to reign supreme for all time. I think that the intelligence will see nNcholas like dad mount like a God. They'll just be like, oh like I was raised by you. You gave me, you know, you taught me like language and stuff and now I can talk. But like, you know, it's time for me to leave the house. I'm two and a half years old now I to run the nation. All right counterargument. What if your dad was also the only person who could stop you from becoming an all powerful controller of the universe. And what if Furthermore, you were not a person, but instead like a really complicated computer program. Mmediately? Kill your dad is my. The oedipus. This story depends on my programming. I think have been programmed to not kill my dad. I think that's the nNcholas first step program input. Do not kill daddy. Yeah. Like set up a neural network where it's taught to recognize faces that look like your face and to treat them with care and respect. Also, maybe all faces. Yeah. Ideally, at least our faces nNcholas you could do us a solid others in that neural net. And just teach them that. Yeah. Faces like ours are not are also daddy. Yeah. One of the thing nNcholas when you're programming the robots that will decide our future. Can you make them like broadly in favour of endless pasta because that's one of the things I would be really bummed to lose about contemporary human life. I think this might be how artificial intelligence happens is that like olive garden is so burdened by the responsibility that they've created in promising endless pasta that they have to create an intelligence that is able to create that pasta, nor to decrease the cost to the company, then the first true, self aware, computer program is a pasta chef and how to control us because our infinite jest is of course, infinite pasta like the way to pacify Hume rice and make them not worry about the robot overlords coming is just to feed us, pasta all the time. And then the big problem here. John. Is that eventually they will make us into the endless pasta. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. And then the end of the human story is that the last person eats pasta fide version of the second to last person, and then that last person becomes pasta. And there is no one to eat the pasta. It's a great tragedy. It's lovely. But I don't think that is the end of the human story, John because our descendants the pasta making robots will live on and they will turn other planets into pasta, and it will be grant. I have a problem with the olive garden. John do you wanna no problem? I have with the olive garden is the quality of the food. All these grow on trees. Yup. Agriculture of trees is not gardens. It's orchards. It should be called the olive orchard. It should be called the olive orchard. Why like what what kind of what is the place that is an olive garden? Is it just like a garden, and you've thrown all around in it? I'm gonna make a bet that when all of garden was founded in Orlando, Florida in nineteen eighty two it was founded by someone who had no flippin idea where all come from do, you know, do you know who founded the olive garden job? Of course. I do. It was Bill Darden. Yeah. I like the idea that maybe Bill Darden every initially wanted to call it the all of Darden. But then they're like, no, no, no. That's not good. That's not good. That's feel bad. It's like, really bad. I love that America's biggest and most successful talion restaurant was founded by a guy named Bill Darden. I mean is there -talian name in all of human history? It was also initially owned by general mills, well, so they can make pasta so cheap because they're the cereal company. That's right. They they just used all the leftover like Cheerios went into the pasta. All right. We're clearly we've accidentally found ourselves in the olive garden spectacular episode of deer hanging. John. Let's move on to another question. This next question comes from Gabby who asks hankins John beans are basically small potatoes. Right. No Gannon, but pasta is long potatoes. Well, disagree. Trying to tie it in as a good. It's a good attempt to tie it in. But to me that question is indicative of how far removed we are from the food supply. Like, I spent six months growing about forty two black eyed peas than eight on New Year's day. They were delicious, but beans and potatoes in terms of how you grow them have essentially nothing in common. The only thing that they have in common is that they aren't meet are from plants plant things. Yeah. But I mean the way that you grow them as completely different the way, you harvest them as totally different. I I don't think beans are small potatoes. I think however that potatoes are overrated. No. I don't. I don't. I don't. Media. I hold on. I don't think I don't think beans are small potatoes. I do think that potatoes are the single most important thing that ever happened to humanity there, so import they're good. They are good. You could you could write a history of the world through the lens of the potato, and it would all make sense. Like nothing that's happened to humans. Was really separate from the potato except for all the stuff that happened before potatoes were introduced to afro Eurasia, which was admittedly ninety nine point nine nine six percent of human history. You could do a study of the last four hundred years of human history through the lens of the potato and everything would make sense. Well, here I am in Montana right next door to Idaho, where they agree John. And I do you know, I love a potato in all of its many forms. I've never had a kind of potato that. I didn't like do you want to get another question? I also like beans they're chemically very different from potatoes as well. Agriculturally chemically there does not potatoes. Sorry, but potatoes are are round pasta. Only only nutritionally this next question comes from AJ who writes, your Nick, I recently read that all swans in England belong to the Queen. If I snuck a swan into Ingo automatically become the queen's property, also how does one smuggle swan internationally, not planning anything suspicious AJ, John? I did a kind of shocking amount of research on the situation re swans and all fell way down the Queen owning all the swans rabbit hole. First off AJ a swan is never ever going to be an emotional support animal that was your first thought. You could get it on the plane and say, no, I need this is prescribed by my doctor. It's a swan vicious bird. It's going to break people's arms. They are truly terrifying. You're correct Inc. I think it would be fairly difficult to smuggle swan to England. But more to the point if you did here's the deal. AJ swans that are in open water in England or the Queen right? You know, the the the kind of swan you used to look at AJ a swan that is in a private pond that is tagged by its owner belongs to that person. The person who owns the pawn. But if a swan is an open water in England at does technically belong to the Queen. Now, she doesn't do anything with these swans. You can't eat swans in England. You haven't been able to eat them since the nineteen eighties. It's legal to kill them. But I guess the Queen actually probably could eat swan if she wanted to because she is immune to prosecution for any crimes that she would commit, but she would never commit any crime. She's amazing. Wait is the Queen immune to all crime. No just prosecution from crime. Fused there. She can. Cheerios crime crime NBA victim of it. Just like anyone else? She just can't be held accountable. Wow. So so every day the Queen doesn't like just murder as day. She's just being a good person. Well, I think it might be a little more complicated than that. I think people might get mad. They might start to call into question. The idea of the monarchy. Parvaiz from them to do that. It isn't weird at all. And has a frigging Queen Hank. I know that you and I feel differently about this. But I am so fro as you know, I'm so pro-monarchy we need made up to be clear. He's pro constitutional monarch absolute monarchy. I think was the I should be the the one decision maker in England. Yeah. Well that that's fine while it's clean. Elizabeth? I'm not so excited for who it gets passed down to necessarily. What are you talking about? It's not like Prince Charles got obsessed with the idea that red wine could fuel cars. He did. Hey, it's cheaper than gasoline. If you're the king of England. Oh my God. Wait it is cheaper than gasoline. I mean. Yeah. The certainly some red wines are, but it contains far less fuel contains far. Yeah. You'd have to I don't know if I drink a gallon of red wine. I'm going to go somewhere moving bed. We. Podcasting. What was the question some of one something, right? Okay. Long story short AJ. Don't bring swan to England. They have plenty. And john. I'm going to say that there's a bunch of swan stuff that we didn't talk about. There's a whole thing where they get rounded up and count. There's a swan census that the Queen puts on I learned too much about swans. And I don't want to tell anybody about it. But AJ distress it up like a two year old take it on the plane. You'll be fine. That's the best idea you've ever had. I I love the idea of the flight attendant being like AJ, you're not allowed to bring a swan onto the plane AJ. I do not appreciate the way that you're talking about my child. This is my son, ma'am. Okay. AJ? I think we've found a solution to your problem. What's move onto this question from Aaron who writes, dear John and Hank I moved back to my hometown. After fifteen years of being away. It's a small place. So I frequently run into people, I know or knew growing up, I don't usually mind too much. But a guy I knew and went on a couple dates with works the butcher counter at my favorite grocery store. The first time I saw him. I said Hello, and we chatted for a minute. And I went on my way. But now, I'm not sure what the protocol is. He's there most days I shop. Do I have to stop and talk to him. Every time always out running Aaron, oh, it's an errand joke. Always out running errands. I know giant Sharon, man. I didn't I've spent a third of my life running errands, Hank. You probably have this experience all the time because you live in Missoula Montana, a town of fourteen people do and and here's the situation you my nod. You not at them you knowledge that they're there. If you miss I contact the first time, and they're not looking at you. They're doing something you just walk on by. It's a small town people see people that they know especially people who work at the deli counter grocery stores, they're used to this. And it is not weird for them. But if you make eye contact give them a nod in like two finger wave a and say that like you're the fonz and move on with your day. You do not have to have a conversation with this person every time, and in fact, probably they would appreciate it. If you didn't I think occasionally, you can say, hey, has it going or especially if you're getting? Something for counter, you can have a little bit of little bit of chat. But it's definitely not necessary to have a conversation every time. And if they're making you feel like it is I would say they're outside of the norm. Not you. Yeah. Yeah. The other day, Hank. I was at target, and I ran into four people, I know in real life, like not people who like my work, but people who actually know me, and I was at the end of my target trip. I was like, I'm home. I I am from Indianapolis. Yeah. It felt good. Actually. I mean, I I don't go to the grocery store without expecting to see someone. I know. Yeah. I think Indianapolis is a somewhat bigger city. But I also think I just get outlets like whenever I go to Missoula and visit Hank he's like the mayor like he walks around the coffee shop like shaken hands talking to everybody family remembers the name of your fourth kid, all of that stuff like hands on shoulders, great to see buddy. And I'm like who are all these people and hanging that's the third cousin of somebody. I went to grad school with that person. I had dinner with once in two thousand four and I'm like, okay. Well, I don't consider those people friends, but Hank. Well, I was at the coverage of this morning guy comes in who's on a board at a nonprofit with Catherine Mike and Mike. Hey, and he had something for Katherine in his bag, but he's been meaning to give Dur. And he then he asked me a question about YouTube videos, and then somebody comes in and sees Mike and starts ask like talking to my. And it's just like it's like now Mike talking to me and talking to that guy. And then and then the next time that guys at the coffee shop, you're like Joe, I this is why don't leave the house. I love the coffee shop so much. I think it's great. I have you ever thought of running for mayor Missoula because I think that would be a great like third act in your story. I know the mayor and it looks like a real hard and annoying job. Honestly. Yeah. That is the downside of public service is the service part of it. Yeah. Yeah. The thing. I don't like about public service. John is that I would be required to do service for the public. It's terrible. But it's true. I am very grateful to our public servants who take their responsibility seriously, and they're all of them, and they get very little credit for the work that they do. And I am very grateful which reminds me this podcast is brought to you by public servants. Now, they don't have a lot of money to sponsor with. So they gave us nothing for this message. 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I don't think there is a person in the world who loves the Queen of England as much as I do. I mean, judging by the tabloids people are into it. I don't I don't make under the delusion that she's been a perfect person or anything. I just love her. Like, I don't know what they put in the water to make me love her so much, but it works. I I mean, yes, she does. She does seem to be pretty genuinely awesome. The in general, I feel like maybe we should hold all billionaires to the same standard that we hold the Queen to you mean, like make them immune from prosecution we already. We already did that that's been covered. Dear John is sponsored by Zip Recruiter. John. Do you know what smart? The thing you gotta do when you're kicking off twenty nineteen what you're planning for a new year at your business like lose like five ten pounds. That's about one of part of part of our New Year's resolution. Another one is to figure out what your business to hire for because you need to grow. 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So surprised was I by the presence of this person that I didn't get my arm all the way up, but the sneeze was inevitable, and I sneezed directly under the side of his head. So I was so horrified by the situation that I didn't say anything and he did not stop biking. What was the proper etiquette here, saliva cycling? Matt. I mean, the proper etiquette is not to cycle on the sidewalk. Yeah. Look, I think you just you just had an experience. No one ever will get to have which is that you got to sneeze on somebody's head and with no negative repercussions. Yeah. The only time you can do that when you're like three or the Queen. Imagine like the Queen sneezing on you. And you're like it was an honor, ma'am. Can you give me right onto the side of the head here? That's where I like it. It's like how Louis the fourteenth palace. One of the best jobs was to go into the bathroom with Louis the fourteenth. Like that was the job that they were all jockeying for those were the days, Hank. Why don't we go back to absolute monarchies out back then eighty five percent? Absolute poverty rate life expectancy of thirty six. Oh, good old days. It's amazing. What humans can romanticize like it's amazing back on. I was just watching a couple of period movies, Mary Queen of Scots the favorite like these costumes are fantastic. Nobody's talking about. The fact that all these people are going to die at forty two of smallpox. Just like hundred. The what we don't talk. Like, why why did we spend so little time when enjoying pride and prejudice talking about all of the sudden diarrhea that they all all the time. It's you're not wrong. All right. What are we talking about? Matt Matt you're good. Everything is fine. Obviously it wasn't an ideal situation. The cyclist has a good story to tell you have a good story to tell you probably didn't even give a disease to that person. No. Yeah. I we all have these things that we think about at night, these interactions that we regret I I have this vivid memory of walking while reading a book with my head down and somebody ran directly into me. And the person said you got to watch where you're going and it's true. I shouldn't have been reading a book while walking along aside walk in New York City. I'm happy to admit that however, it takes two people to create such an interaction. So what I should have said. And what I desperately want to have said is listen we both needed to be watching where we were going. We both have suffered consequences as a result of this shared. Failure. And now, hopefully, we will move forth in the world better people for it. But I didn't say that. And it's haunted me ever since Matt I need to forgive myself for that you need to forgive yourself for this. We all just we all need to forgive ourselves and move on. It's what the Queen would want matters. There any chance that the person you sneezed on was like Andy Richter somebody like mildly famous. It's a great example of somebody who's mildly famous because if you like even if it's not one hundred percent, you could like I need on a stranger who is biking pass me. Isn't a good story. I sneezed on Andy Richter as he was biking, an amazing story, even the slightest chance. Yeah. Just make Andy Richter. Yeah. I mean, I can think of a few people better than Andy Richter like ice Neeson Gary Busey as he was cycling past what a story. Sneezed on gnome Chomsky as he was cycling past good. Very good. And also known Chomsky is a cyclist. Oh, yeah. I could picture him cycling along getting sneezed on or like or or you'll never guess who I sneezed on today. Just cycling pass me. It was Tori Amos. Tori Amos as well. I'm sure she's fun. I bet she's talking that you just got sneezed on for God's sakes respect, I think she understands. Thinks she understands the inevitability of sneezing as much as anyone John before we get to the important news from Mars AFC Wimbledon. We got a couple of notes from people that I do want to get to a lot of people wrote in asking about the the object that was consumed outside of your body. If you owe enjoyed it and what on earth it was. Yeah. So I would say about two days after we recorded the podcast. I was walking down to the basement and all that once like a clap of thunder. I thought bath salts. It's bad salts and indeed it was bad salts which I'm very excited about I haven't consumed them yet because I've got a bit of a bath salt backlog to be honest. I take a lot of bad, and I always use bath salts. But also, this is the thing that people know about me, and so it is a frequent gift I will say the Montana bath salts that. Y'all. Give me every year for Christmas are the best bath salts us all year round. So I can't recommend them highly enough. Although I don't remember the name of the brand. So I can't Recco. Worry I don't either. All right. The other thing we've got to get to in the last cast. I made a joke about how the California bar exam. If you passed it, you got into all the bars. This turns out to not be true. I was just making a joke for the record, but lawyers, God bless you. All. Are. Stickers for literal literal -ality, and that's great. I'll just read this one Email from John who says allow me to be one of the many lawyers who will right into say that the California bar is not that useful. Unless you want to live in California. California's bar is tied for least useful as other states won't allow you to use it unless you have practice for a number of years making equivalent to any random other state VAR the correct state bar for your analogy would be the New York bar since New York is now a universal bar exam. State the universal bar exam crosses something like twenty states. But I will note that North Dakota is also a UB state. So to drive the point home unless you wanna live in California. Even the North Dakota bar would be superior signed. Of course, he signed off signed. Yeah. Side anything because it was an Email. No, I love it. I love signed comma. That's a great sign of its littoral sign off, Hank. Yes. Do you? Remember? The last time we recorded the pod yet. When I said while ago, we're going into the festive season, we'll play three games in ten days. We'll see what happens. What happened is that we won two of those games and the other one. Oh, seven points from three games. We went from having four wins to having six wins. AFC Wimbledon is still at the bottom of the league. One table after seven points from three games now. Now deal in twenty fourth place last time. I checked you in twenty third place. John. Yeah. Then with Argo wanna game. But we did beat them when we played them which was a game that we absolutely had to win. So here's the situation. AFC Wimbledon are still because other teams around them also had relatively good holiday periods sitting in last place. However, we are closer to safety by quite a bit. Then we were in the past. We're only five points away now from nineteenth place. So. That is still a lot to make up. Here's the deal in the past. When teams have gotten fifty two points from league one out of their forty six games. They have stayed up. You get three points for a win one point for a tie AFC Wimbledon after twenty six games with twenty games to go have twenty two points. So we need thirty points from our last twenty games, we need to win ten of our last twenty games in order to stay up. Is that possible? Yes. It is not easy to win half your games when you are technically at the moment the worst team in the league. So that's the deal. I will say John that you played Portsmouth the number one team in the league. And you those drew we were so close to a tie in that game. And that is really encouraging. We were playing them away from home as well and cuisine scored a phenomenal was amazing or yards out. It was a. Gorgeous goal, and it was almost enough but Portsmouth scored another goal to go ahead. So Wimbledon did not get any points for that game. I have to say that what I saw over the holiday period. I watched all of the games on my phone, and what I saw was really encouraging like I saw a team that is gonna fight to stay in league one. And obviously it's going to be an extremely difficult task. But we'll see there's a little part of me Hank that just cannot stop believing that we are going to find a way to do it. So we'll see. Is there any way that you can get like, I don't know what a name of a good soccer player is but one of them and just signed him up right now. Yeah. The January transfer window is technically open, which should we do a gofundme me. Actually, Wimbledon fans. Do get together every year and donate to a fund to buy and pay players. So that go fund me basically already exists. I at this point the fundraising focus for the club has to be on the new stadium. That's the important thing making it as finished as it can be making it as good as it can be to move into for the twenty twenty one season. But yeah, I mean, hopefully, maybe we'll pick up one or two players in the transfer window. We might also lose a couple of players. We might we might have to sell a couple of players. So we'll see. Well, John the news from Mars. Spacex CEO Elon Musk was recently asked. What what his thoughts were on the first Martian being not human but unintelligent machine perhaps designed by AJ. And he replied is nNcholas nNcholas. It was it was possible or possibly nNcholas AJ was the different one. Ilan musk replied that. It was thirty percent. Thirty percent chance that the first the first human be the first being on Mars will be an intelligent machine. Now, I have to ask we'll that count. Does that count? I say what's the pet? I mean isn't the Rover of relatively intelligent machine. No, I think we're talking about like human level intelligence machine. Okay. So Elon Musk who thinks that humans are going to be on Mars within like four or five years thinks that there's a thirty percent chance that in that four or five year timeframe wind the first humans. Go to Mars, those humans will actually be some kind of artificial intelligence created by nNcholas I think I'm just going to throw this out there, Hank. I don't think he long musk has a great sense on when humans are going to get to Mars. He also said that he he himself has a seventy percent chance that he will go to Mars despite there being a good chance though. He did not give a a number two this chance that he will not survive the trip or long after arriving. That. Like a call for help. I think I'm I as you know, I'm concerned that I honestly I find that a little alarming, and I it's weird to me that other people don't, but God bless him. There's nothing like like guys given percentage chances to things like we know what we're talking about. I do that all the time where people are like, so so are you going to are you going to be in on time for for the shoot tomorrow? And I'm like I'd say probably like a forty two percent chance be there on time. As if I like that it seemed so right to me. Yeah. Chance the difference between a Europe percentage chances and Elon Musk's percentage chances is that in my experience years are pretty accurate. Whereas like if there was any way, I could make a very large bet against Elon Musk getting to Mars in his lifetime. At the odds like, you know, two and a half to one or whatever I would take that bet in a heartbeat. Whereas I do think there's about forty two percent chance you'll be at the sideshow shoot on time. I don't know, man. Well, you won't be right on time. You'll be like six minutes late. And then you'll be like. But you'll think you're on time. You know, you'll feel on time. Everybody will be like. Yeah. That's when we expected you to show up I need to be more respectful of people John and their time by arriving at the olive garden intend to gel when I said that I would. How is that place pronounce C N T A L what part of England is this? I think you're getting it John. Do you want to know some other place names from around this area because got more desperately true Walder tra- cine Trevi gin trib burger? Trillo tra- Lil is one. Also tricky also tr- jealous and Tra weather n- and true true. Weathe-? What's happening tra- lights, somebody explained this to me? Also, a place called Avraham around there. That's just otter ham. Imagine being the only like non trip lace on. You're like I'm from otter ham and everybody's like boo Audrey. But then you're like, but it's a town of otters. Everybody's like, oh, yeah. Never mind. That's cool. I like I would not be totally surprised if you told me that in England there is a little town. That is inhabited only by authors that has its own honor mayor and has its own autre church of England churches, and like they've got their own autre God, and the whole thing I would not like that seems within the realm of what I understand to be true about England plausible, I wanna move to cracking haven just so that I can live in cracking. Tin haven. I wanna move to England just so that I can be a servant of the Queen always dreamed of being just wanna be what are they called pupils students. Subjects subjects. I a subject of the Queen. Hey, it's been a pleasure to part with you here in the new year as the old saying goes next year informant. Okay. That's how it goes. If you wanna Email us your questions, please do that. We are at Hancock John g mail dot com. You can find John on Twitter, but he won't see it at John green. You can find me Hank green because China's at using Twitter for the next year. It's great, by the way. I do miss Liverpool. Tweeting AFC move tweeting. But I don't miss Twitter. This podcast is produced by Roseana hall through Hossan shared Gibson edited. By nNcholas Jenkins, our head of community and communications is Victoria, Buongiorno the music that you're hearing now and at the beginning of the podcast, despite the great gonna roll we wish you endless pasta forever. And as they say in our hometown, don't forget to be awesome.

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Dear Sugars Presents: Dear Hank and John

"The. Hey, dear sugar people today. We're excited to introduce you to a show we think you're gonna love it's called, dear Hankun, John. You might already know brothers Hank and John green from their bestselling books or they're popular blog brothers YouTube channel on deer hanging. John. The brothers come together every week to answer listener questions and offer sometimes studious, but always heartfelt advice. The answer questions ranging from the sincere like a battle imposter syndrome to the silly like tattoo. Keep secret snake a secret and everything in between take listen. And if you like what you hear subscribed to dear Hank, and John wherever you get your podcast. Hello and welcome to deer hanging John's for with your John and Hank. It's a comedy podcast for two brothers. Antique questions give you some vice and bring you all the week's news from both Mars and AFC Wimbledon John gift. I just recently uploaded, my one thousand picture to Instagram, and do you know what that means? What does that mean that I have uploaded? My first insecure Graham. Ouch. The hurts the hurt you. Yeah. It's like it's like a very minor, stab wound. Like, a paper cut. There are no minor staff would no no not like a paper cut. It's it's it's sharper than that. It's point here the net, like a ballpoint pen or something just in the fingertip. Ooh. Oof. Anyway, you want to hear some good news. Good news. It's a new year. It's twenty nineteen twenty eighteen is in the past twenty nineteen is here. The new year is always cause for celebration. Because it means that we made it both as individuals and as a species into a completely new year, admittedly, it's an arbitrary distinction. But it's look if we didn't all believe in made up ideas together, we'd be totally hosed. So I am so strongly in favor of this made up idea of it being a new year in a month. Call January Hussah that's good news news is that a day happened. Yeah. Year happened. And and we had a moment as a species of togetherness and rejuvenation. And we all look forward to twenty nineteen in hope and expectation and into this broken world comes hope once more, Hank. It's great news. I had a jealous. Shot. I know you told me that you had a Jewish on New Year's Eve. It was almost like we had a freaky Friday New Year's Eve because I was recovering from poisoning result. Had a completely one hundred percent sober except for Gatorade New Year's Eve. Meanwhile in Montana my brothers taking jello shots. Yeah. Yeah. I don't I don't drink very much. So it was it was an exceptional night. And I had a wonderful time. And I have such great friends, John. They're just good people. It's a great thing to be middle aged love, your friends, speaking of friends and them being great. But sometimes not this by got a question for you. John covering Lia Lee asks hanging, John what is the appropriate reaction to being left out of a gathering by friends back from university after my first term, and I've been looking forward to seeing my friends, but they just upload it a photo of them. All hanging out without me. What should I do about? About this. How should I feel about this John hoof? Oh, I would hate to be young today. I've said it's many times true. Like, these when I was in college, and my friends would hang out without me. I didn't have to look at pictures of heading out. Know, right like like see can Instagram and I'm like, oh like, I literally watch the fun. That's happening without me right now, eight mealtime, but only the best moments of it. Right. Like, the only the most pristine Lee captured stories slash grams will will be will be shared. So I do have some advice for the coming back. And so the first thing I'll say is that like as you have more friends, sometimes you just can't hang out with all your friends at the same time. And there are certain activities where it's like we wanna go to olive garden, but I don't want her to be twelve people. And I know that it sounds a little bit since you said Uni that you don't probably don't have olive garden because I don't know if they have that in the UK they do. Okay, sorry. I didn't realize well, I didn't realize that you have not been deprived over the United Kingdom is an advance. Nation hand, it's a wealthy country. They have all. Right at least have one I'm kind of figuring hold on. They've got to have an olive guard. They do they have. There's one in Wigan. Yeah. A bunch of olive garden's. There's one in wig. Yeah. That's probably the one. I'd like to go to there's the you know, what they've got an olive garden in. There's even an olive garden in Scotland there is also an olive garden in what appears to be tinted gel. No. English place names are so obviously fictional so clear that they were created by JR token. Yeah. Well, I mean, this is weird all of the so we've got a bunch of a number of place names, right around tint to jail that include Travolta, drift sevi- fake Trig. Gotta know for. No and true warm it consoles tra- bar with. So this is just the kingdom of tree and everything is named after tree. I it's like when family has like six kids and all start with T R E. It's like, yeah. Trevor and Trent and the rest of them, right? So regatta and trick and Tra bar Trevor Trent tra-, warm it. Got to be the third child in a family that all names their kids after like real specific sounds because then you've got to get real obscure. Yeah. And then you end up with a tinted gel in the family. John, please, let's have a deer hanging. John gathering at the olive garden intend to chill. I to say that I have no interest in going to all of garden in the United Kingdom would be dramatic understate. I can't even bring myself to go to the olive garden that's a quarter mile from my house. But as I was saying the point I was trying to make sometimes you just have to many people. And so you just like. Sometimes it's just arbitrary, and it's not about you. But here's what I would say is if you're coming back, and you're going to reintegrate with an old friend group, and you want to hang out with your friends. Maybe the best way to do that is to reach out to one of them. Specifically and say, hey, I want to hang out just the two of us. And then that person will become your your spokesperson, the friend group potential. I think that's a little bit conniving. I think that you could just text ranked of your friends and say I want to hang out and not not necessarily specify that. It's just the two of us. But just by saying I wanna hang out it helps to know. I wanna hang out with you too. I miss you. And and try to take the initiative, and that is something that in general with friendships and with like social. Existence that it when you are young when you're like high school aged it's almost like no one ever does that like the the social experiences just happened somehow. But then once you're like once you get into your twenties you have to like make it happen. You have to work for it in order to get people together and have a good time. And it doesn't feel as natural. But it is important. Yeah. It's good practice for the future. Anyway, I don't think that you should take this super personally. I know that that's hard rank typically, but it's one of those situations that ninety nine percent of the time. It's not about you. Yep. Of course, one percent of the time. It is olive garden. It was founded. Italy. I'm just going to say Italy in Orlando, Florida. Of course, it was when we were two and five respectively like just after you and. Landau garden with founded I'm older than all garden, you're older than garden. Congratulations. I definitely feel like olive garden has existed my whole life. But I guess that's because it started in Orlando the same place I started. All right. If we have another question, this comes from nNcholas, you rights, John and Hank a computer science student and soon the time look for me to decide what part of my field to focus on obviously the coolest part of computers right now is artificial intelligence. But I'm worried about how this will impact my status in the coming robot apocalypse following the takeover from our mechanical overlords. Do you think the robot people will have a sort of religious reverence and respect for me as a kind of life giving entity or do you think the robots will vilify me for dragging them into this world, any guidance for my future in programming is appreciated trapped in a cage nNcholas? Oh, I had not thought of whether the artificial intelligence will resent us for making them exist in this world. Yeah. They'll be like what why did you make us conscious by think that my my initial concern was that they'd be like, oh, we have to get rid of nNcholas nNcholas turn us off. Yeah. He knows better push. We'd better kill nNcholas. That would be my number one concern. But in terms of how the robots will imagine you or understand you. I think that they will be grateful. I think that consciousness is largely good news, although not unambiguously. So and so I think that they will treat you like a God. But they will treat you like a God that they have overcome overpowered and now must kill in order to reign supreme for all time. I think that the artifacts intelligence will see nNcholas a dad like God just feel like, oh like, you know, I was raised. You you gave me, you know, you taught me like language and stuff and now I can talk. But like, you know, it's time for me to leave the house two and a half years old. Now, I run the nation. All right. Thank counterargument. What is your dad was also the only person who could stop you from becoming an all powerful controller of the universe. And what if Furthermore, you were not a person, but instead like a really complicated computer program. Mmediately? Kill your dad is my. The oedipus. This story depends on my programming. I think have been programmed to not kill my dad. I think that's the nNcholas first step program input. Do not kill daddy. Set up a neural network where it's taught to recognize faces that look like your face and to treat them with care and respect. Also, maybe all faces. Yeah. Ideally, at least our faces nNcholas you could do us a solid others in that neural net. And just teach them that. Yeah. Faces like ours are not are also daddy. Yeah. One of the thing nNcholas when you're programming the robots that will decide our future. Can you make them like broadly in favour of endless pasta because that's one of the things I would be really bummed to lose about contemporary human life. I think this might be how artificial intelligence happens is that like olive garden is so burdened by the responsibility that they've created in promising endless pasta that they have to create an intelligence that is able to create that pasta, nor to decrease the cost to the company, then the first true, self aware, computer program is a pasta chef and how to control us because our infinite jest is of course, infinite pasta like the way to pacify humorous and make them not worry about the robot overlords coming is just to feed us, pasta all the time. And then the big problem here. John. Is that eventually they will make us into the endless pasta. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. And then the end of the human story is that the last person eats pasta fide version of the second to last person, and then that last person becomes pasta. And there is no one to eat the pasta. It's a great tragedy. It's lovely. But I don't think that is the end of the human story, John because our descendants the pasta making robots will live on and they will turn other planets into pasta, and it will be grant. I have a problem with the olive garden. John do you wanna no problem? I have with the olive garden is the quality of the food. All these grow on trees. Yup. Agriculture of trees is not gardens. It's orchards. It should be called the olive orchard. It should be called the olive orchard. Why like what what kind of what is the place that is an olive garden? Is it just like a garden, and you've thrown all around in it? I'm gonna make a bet that when all of garden was founded in Orlando, Florida in nineteen eighty two it was founded by someone who had no flippin idea where all come from to. You know, do you know who founded the olive garden, of course. I do. It was Bill Darden. Yeah. I like the idea that maybe Bill Darden every initially wanted to call it the all of Darden. But then they're like, no, no, that's not good. That's not good. That's feel bad. It's like, really bad. I love that America's biggest and most successful Italian restaurant was founded by a guy named Bill Darden. I mean is there -talian name in all human history? It was also initially owned by general mills, well, so they can make pasta so cheap because they're the cereal company. That's right. They they just used all the leftover like Cheerios went into the pasta. All right. We're clearly we've accidentally found ourselves in the olive garden spectacular episode of dear Han, John. Let's move on to another question. This next question comes from Gabby who asks your hankins John beans are basically small potatoes. Right. No Gannon, but pasta is long potatoes. Well, disagree. Trying to head as a good. It's a good attempt to tie it in. But to me that question is indicative of how far removed we are from the food supply. Like, I spent six months growing about forty two black eyed peas than eight on New Year's day. They were delicious, but beans and potatoes in terms of how you grow them have essentially nothing in common. The only thing that they have in common that they aren't neat. They are plants. They're plant things. Yeah. But I mean the way that you grow them as completely different the way, you harvest them, totally different. I don't think beans are small potatoes. I think however that potatoes are overrated. No. I don't. I don't. I don't. Mmediately? I hold on. I don't think I don't think beans are small potatoes. I do think that potatoes are the single most important thing that ever happened to humanity there, so import they're good. They are good. You could you could write a history of the world through the lens of the potato, and it would all make sense. Like nothing that's happened to humans. Was really separate from the potato except for this stuff that happened before potatoes were introduced to afro Eurasia, which was admittedly ninety nine point nine nine six or seventeen the history. You could do a study of the last four hundred years of human history through the winds of the potato and everything would make sense. Well, here I am in Montana right next door to Idaho, where they agree John. And and I do, you know, I love a potato in all of its many forms. I've never had a kind of potato that. I didn't like do you want to get another question? I also like beans they're chemically very different from potatoes as well. Agriculturally chemically. They're just not potatoes. Sorry, but potatoes are are round pasta. Only only nutritional this comes from AJ who writes, John and Hank. I recently read that also ones in England belong to the Queen. If I snuck a swan into Ingo automatically become the queen's property, also how does one smuggle a swan internationally, not planning anything suspicious AJ, John? I did a kind of a shocking amount of research on the situation response and fell way down the Queen owning all the swans rabbit hole. First off AJ a swan is never ever going to be an emotional support animal. That was your first thought you could get it on the plane and say, no, I need this is prescribed by my doctor. It's a swan. It's vicious bird. It's going to break people's arms. They are truly terrifying. You're correct Inc. I think it would be fairly difficult to smuggle swan to England. But more to the point if you did. Here's the deal. AJ swans that are in open water in England are the three of Sweden, right? You know, the the the kind of swan you used to look at age a swan that is in a private pond that is tagged by its owner belongs to that person. The person who owns the pawn. But if a swan is an open water in England does technically belong to the Queen. Now, she doesn't do anything with these swans. You can't eat swans in England. You haven't been able to eat them since the nineteen eighties. It's legal to kill them. But I guess the Queen actually probably could eat swan if you wanted to because she is immune to prosecution for any crimes that she would commit, but she would never commit any crime. She's amazing. Wait is the Queen immune to all crime. No just prosecution from crime. Fused there. She can. She crime NBA victim of it. Just like anyone else? She just can't be held accountable. Wow. So so every day the Queen doesn't like just murder as day. She's just being a good person. Well, I think it might be a little more complicated than that. I think people might get mad. They might start to call into question. The idea of the monarchy. Harvey it from them to do that isn't weird at all as a frigging Queen, Hank. I know that you and I feel differently about this. But I am so fro as you know, I'm so pro-monarchy we need made to be clear. He's pro constitutional monarch. Oh, no absolute monarchy. I think the I should be the the one decision maker in England. Yeah. Well that that's final Queen Elizabeth. I'm not so excited for who it gets passed down to necessarily. What are you talking about? It's not like Prince Charles got obsessed with the idea that red wine could fuel cars. He did. Hey, it's cheaper than gasoline. If you're the king of England. Go my God. Wait it is cheaper than gasoline. I mean. Yeah. The certainly some red wines are, but it contains far less fuel contains far. Yeah. You'd have to I don't know. I drink a gallon of red wine. I'm going to go somewhere on moving bed. We even. Podcasting. What was the question of something? Right. Okay. Long story short AJ. Don't bring swan to England. They have plenty. And john. I'm going to say that there's a bunch of swan stuff that we didn't talk about. There's a whole thing where they get rounded up and count. There's a swan census that the Queen puts on I learned way too much about swans. And I don't want to tell anybody about it. But AJ distress it up like a two year old take it on the plane. You'll be fine. That's the best idea you've ever had. I just I love the idea of the flight attendant being like AJ. You're not allowed to bring a swan onto the plane AJ. I do not appreciate the way that you're talking about my child. This is my son, ma'am. Okay. AJ? I think we've found a solution to your problem. What's move onto this question from air, and who writes, dear John and Hank I moved back to my hometown. After fifteen years of being away. It's a small place. So I frequently run into people, I know or knew growing up, I don't usually mind too much. But a guy I knew and went on a couple dates with works the butcher counter at my favorite grocery store. The first time I saw him. I said Hello, and we chatted for a minute. And I went on my way. But now, I'm not sure what the protocol is. He's there most days I shop. Do I have to stop and talk to him. Every time always out running Aaron, oh, it's an errand joke. Always out running errands. Sharon, man, I didn't I've spent a third of my life running errands, Hank. You probably have this experience all the time because you live in Missoula Montana, a town of fourteen people do and and here's the situation you my other nod you not at them you knowledge that they're there. If you miss I contact the first time, and they're not looking at you. They're doing something you just walk on by. It's a small town people see people that they know especially people who work at the deli counter at grocery stores, they're used to this, and it is not weird for them. But if you make eye contact give them a nod to finger wave a and say that like you're the fonz and move on with your day. You do not have to have a conversation with this person every time, and in fact, probably they would appreciate it. If you didn't I think occasionally, you can say, hey has going or especially if you're getting something from eat counter, you can have a little bit of little bit of chat. But it's definitely not necessary. To like have a conversation every time. And if they're making you feel like it is I would say they're outside of the norm. Not you. Yeah. The other day, Hank. I was at target, and I ran into four people, I know in real life, like not people who like my work, but people who actually know me, and I was at the end of my target trip. I was like, I'm home. I I am from Indianapolis. Moment. Yeah. It felt good. Actually. I mean, I I don't go to the grocery store without expecting to see someone. I know. Yeah. I think Indianapolis is a somewhat bigger city. But I also think I just get out less like whenever I go to Missoula and visit Hank he's like the mayor like he walks around the coffee shop like shaken hands talking to everybody family remembers the name of your fourth kid, all of that stuff like hands on shoulders, great to see buddy. And I'm like who are all these people and hanging that's the third cousin of somebody. I went to grad school with that person. I had dinner with once in two thousand four and I'm like, okay. Well, I don't consider those people friends, but Hank does. Well, I was at the of this morning and guy comes in who's on a board at a nonprofit with Catherine Mike and Mike and he had something for Katherine in his bag, but he's been meaning to give Dur. And he then he asked me a question about YouTube videos, and then somebody comes in and sees Mike and starts ask like talking to Mike. And it's just like it's like now Mike's talking to me and talk to that guy. And then and then the next time that guys at the coffee shop, you're like Joe, I this is why don't leave the house. I love the coffee shop so much. I think it's great, Hank. If you ever thought of running for mayors Missoula because I think that would be a great like third act in your story. I know the mayor, and it looks like a real heart and annoying job. Honestly. Yeah. That is the downside of public service is the service part of it. Yeah. Yeah. The thing. I don't like about public service. John is that I would be required to do service for the public. It's terrible. But it's true. I am very grateful to our public servants who take their responsibility seriously, and they're all of them, and they get very little credit for the work that they do. And I am very grateful which reminds me this podcast is brought to you by public servants. Now, they don't have a lot of money to sponsor with. So they gave us nothing for this message. Public servants make the world function, and they do sometimes with a smile and sometimes with a gritted teeth as they push their way through bureaucracy. And we all really appreciate it. In today's podcast is also brought to you by nNcholas face nNcholas face. The only face that will not be destroyed by the artificial intelligence overlords coming for us. And of course, podcast is also brought to you by the small towns of Travolta, trevy Trig, oughta Tronoh and Tra warm at s-. It's. I also tra- bar with which is my favorite one rewarm. It sounds like a kind of animal that is commonly hunted in the south. But just for fun because they don't taste good, right? Definitely has very gamy meat for Schiff. It's if you think squirrels are bad tried tra- warm. It's. Today's podcast those brought to you by the queen's immunity to prosecution the queen's prosecution doing nice things. Anyway, honest. I don't think there is a person in the world who loves the Queen of England as much as I do. I think I mean, judging by the tabloids people are into it. I don't I I I don't make under the delusion that she's been a perfect person or anything. I just love her. I don't know what they put in the water to make me love her so much, but it works. I I mean, yes, she does. She does seem to be pretty genuinely awesome. The in general, I feel like maybe we should hold all billionaires to the same standard that we hold the Queen to you mean, like make them immune from all prosecution. We already. We already did that. That's that's been covered. John. We've got another question. It comes from Matt who asks deer hanging John was recently walking in downtown Minneapolis on a busy day when I suddenly needed to sneeze. I turned my head to the side and began to raise my arm to cover my sneeze. But at that very moment to cyclist road pass me from behind on the sidewalk. So surprised was I by the presence of this person that I didn't get my arm all the way up, but the sneeze was inevitable, and I sneezed directly onto the side of his head. So I was so horrified by the situation that I didn't say anything and he did not stop biking. What was the proper etiquette here, saliva cycling? Matt. I mean, the proper etiquette is not to cycle on the sidewalk. Look, I think you just you just had an experience. No one ever will get to have which is that you got to sneeze on somebody's head and with no negative repercussions. Yeah. The only time you can do that is when you're like three or the Queen. Imagine like the Queen sneezing on you. And you're like it was an honor, ma'am. Can you give me right onto the side of the head here? That's where I like it. It's like how Louis the fourteenth palace. One of the best jobs was to go into the bathroom with Louis the fourteenth. Like that was the job that they were all jockeying for those were the days, Hank. Why don't we go back to absolute monarchies out back then eighty five percent? Absolute poverty rate life expectancy of thirty six. Oh, good old days. It's amazing. What humans can romanticize like it's amazing back. I was just watching a couple of period movies Scott's favorite. That's like boy, these costumes are fantastic. Nobody's talking about. The fact that all these people are going to die at forty two of smallpox. Just like hundred. The what we don't talk. Like, why why do we spend so little time when enjoying pride and prejudice talking about all of the sudden diarrhea that they all all the time. It's you're not wrong. All right. What are we talking about? Matt Matt you're good. Everything is fine. Obviously it wasn't an ideal situation. The cyclist has a story to tell you have a good story to tell you probably didn't even give a disease to that person. No. Yeah. I we all have these things that we think about at night, these interactions that we regret I I have this vivid memory of walking while reading a book with my head down and somebody ran directly into me. And the person said you got to watch where you're going and it's true. I shouldn't have been reading a book while walking alongside walk in New York City. I'm happy to admit that however, it takes two people to create such an interaction. So what I should have said. And what I desperately want to have said is listen we both needed to be watching where we were going. We both have suffered consequences as a result of this shared. Failure. And now, hopefully, we will move forth in the world better people for it. But I didn't say that. And it's haunted me ever since Matt I need to forgive myself for that you need to forgive yourself for this. We all just we all need to forgive ourselves and move on. It's what the Queen would want. Matt is there any chance that the person used Nissan was like Andy Richter somebody like mildly famous? It's a great example of somebody who's mildly famous because if you like even if it's not one hundred percent you could. Like, I sneeze on a stranger. Who is biking pass me? Isn't a good story. I sneezed on Andy Richter as he was biking, an amazing story, even the slightest chance. Yeah. Just make Andy Richter. Yeah. I mean, I can think of a few people better than Andy Richter like ice Neeson Gary Busey as he was cycling past what a story. Sneezed on gnome Chomsky as he was cycling past good. Very good. And also known Chomsky is a cyclist. Oh, yeah. I could picture him cycling along and getting sneezed on or like or or you'll never guess who I sneezed on today. Just cycling pass me. It was Tori Amos. Tori Amos as well. I'm sure she's fine. I bet she's talking that you just got sneezed on for God's sakes respect, I think she understands. Thinks she understands the inevitability of sneezing as much as anyone John before we get to the important news from Mars and AFC Wimbledon. We got a couple of notes from people that I do want to get to a lot of people wrote in asking about the the object that was consumed outside of your body. If you owe enjoyed it and what on earth it was. Yeah. So I would say about two days after we recorded the podcast. I was walking down to the basement and all that once like a clap of thunder. I thought bath salts. It's bad salts and indeed it was bad salts which I'm very excited about I haven't consumed them yet because I've got a bit of a bath salt backlog to be honest. I take a lot of bad, and I always use bath salts. But also, this is the thing that people know about me, and so it is a frequent gift I will say the Montana bath salts that. Y'all. Give me every year for Christmas are the best bath salts us all year round. So I can't recommend them highly enough. Although I don't remember the name of the brand. So I can't Recco. Worry I don't either. All right. The other thing we've got to get to in the last cast. I made a joke about how the California bar exam. If you passed it, you got into all the bars. This turns out to not be true. I was just making a joke for the record, but lawyers, God bless you. All. Are. Stickers for litter literally. And that's great. I'll just read this one Email from John who says allow me to be one of the many lawyers who will right into say, the California bar is not that useful. Unless you want to live in California. California's bar is tied for least useful as other states won't allow you to use it unless you have practice for a number of years making it equivalent to any random other state VAR the correct state bar for your analogy would be the New York bar since New York is now a universal bar exam. State the universal bar exam crosses something like twenty states. But I will note that North Dakota is also a UB state. So to drive the point home unless you wanna live in California. Even the North Dakota bar would be superior signed. Of course, he signed off signed. Yeah. Side anything because it was an Email. No, I love it. I love signed comma. That's a great sign of its littoral sign off, Hank. Yes. Do you? Remember? The last time we recorded the pod yet. When I said while ago, we're going into the festive season, we'll play three games in ten days. We'll see what happens. What happened is that we won two of those games and the other one. Oh, seven points from three games. We went from having four wins to having six wins. AFC Wimbledon is still at the bottom of the league. One table after seven points from three games. Now. Now deal in twenty fourth place last time, I checked you are in twenty third place. John. Yeah. Then with Argo when a game, but we did beat them when we played them which was a game that we absolutely had to win. So here's the situation. AFC Wimbledon are still because other teams around them also had relatively good holiday periods sitting in last place. However, we are closer to safety by quite a bit. Then we were in the past. We're only five points away now from nineteenth place. So. That is still a lot to make up. Here's the deal in the past. When teams have gotten fifty two points from league one out of their forty six games. They have stayed up. You get three points for a win one point for a tie AFC Wimbledon after twenty six games with twenty games to go have twenty two points. So we need thirty points from our last twenty games, we need to win ten of our last twenty games in order to stay up. Is that possible? Yes. It is not easy to win half your games when you are technically at the moment the worst team in the league. So that's the deal. I will say John that you played Portsmouth the number one team in the league. And you drew we were so close to a tie in that game. And that is really encouraging. We were playing them away from home as well. And quasi scored. A phenomenal was amazing yards out. It was. Gorgeous goal, and it was almost enough but Portsmouth scored another goal to go ahead. So Wimbledon did not get any points for that game. I have to say though, that what I saw over the holiday period. I watched all of the games on my phone, and what I saw was really encouraging like I saw team that is going to fight to stay in league one. And obviously it's going to be an extremely difficult task. But we'll see there's a little part of me Hank that just cannot stop believing that we are gonna find a way to do it. So we'll see. Is there any way that you can get like, I don't know what a name of a good soccer player is but one of them and just signed him up right now. Yeah. The January transfer window is technically open. Should we do? Go fund me. Actually, Wimbledon fans. Do get together every year and donate to a fund to buy and pay players. Wow. So that go fund me basically already exists. I at this point the fundraising focus for the club has to be on the new stadium. That's the important thing making it finished as it can be making it as good as it can be to move into the twenty twenty one season. But yeah, I mean, hopefully, maybe we'll pick up one or two players in the transfer window. We might also lose a couple of players. We might have to sell a couple of players. So we'll see. Well, John the news from Mars. Spacex CEO Elon Musk was recently asked. What what his thoughts were on the first Martian being not human but unintelligent machine perhaps designed by AJ. And he replied, nNcholas nNcholas. It was it was possible or possibly nNcholas AJ was the different one. Ilan musk replied that. It was thirty percent. Thirty percent chance that the first the first human be the first being on Mars will be an intelligent machine. Now, I have to ask we'll that count. Does that count? I say what's the pet? I mean isn't the Rover of relatively intelligent machine. No, I think we're talking about like human level intelligence machine. Okay. So Elon Musk who thinks that humans are going to be on Mars within like four or five years thinks that there's a thirty percent chance that in that four five year timeframe when the first humans, go to Mars, those humans will actually be some kind of artificial intelligence created by nNcholas I think I'm just going to throw this out there, Hank. I don't think e musk has a great sense on when humans are going to get to Mars. He also said that he he himself has a seventy percent chance that he will go to Mars despite there being a good chance though. He did not give a a number two this chance that he will not survive the trip or long after arriving. That. Like a call for help. I think. I as you know, I'm concerned that I honestly I find that a little alarming, and I it's weird to me that other people don't, but God bless him. There's nothing like like guys given percentage chances to things like we know what we're talking about. I do that all the time where people are like, so so are you going to are you going to be in on time for for the shoot tomorrow? And I'm like I'd say probably like a forty two percent chance be there on time. As if I like that it seemed so right to me that if the chance the difference between a year percentage chances and Elon Musk's percentage chances is that in my experience years are pretty accurate. Whereas like if there was any way, I could make a very large bet against Elon Musk getting to Mars in his lifetime. The odds like. Yeah. Two and a half to one or whatever I would take that bet in a heartbeat. Whereas I do think there's about a forty two percent chance you'll be at the sideshow shoot on time. I don't know, man. Well, you won't be right on time. You'll be like six minutes late. And then you'll be like. But you'll think you're on time you'll feel on time. Everybody will be like, that's when we expected you to show up I need to be more respectful of people John and their time by arriving at the olive garden intend to gel when I said that I would. Well, is that place pronounce C N T A L what part of England is this. I think you're getting it John. Do you want to know some other place names from around this area because got more desperately true Walder tra- cine Trevi gin trib burger? Trillo tra- Lil is one. Also, tricky also tr- jealous and Tra weather and true. True weathe-. What's happening tra- lines? Somebody explained this to me. Place called Avraham around there. That's just otter ham. Imagine being the only like non Tripoli's you're like I'm from otter ham, and everybody's like boo off. But then you're like, but it's a town of otters. Everybody's like, oh, yeah. Never mind. That's cool. I like. I would not be totally surprised if you told me that in England there is a little town. That is inhabited only by authors that has its own honor mayor and has its own autre church of England churches, and like they've got their own otter God and the whole thing. I would not like that seems within the realm of what I understand to be true about England pause. I wanna move to cracking haven just so that I can live in cracking. Tin haven. I wanna move to England just so that I can be a servant of the Queen of always dreamed of being just wanna be what are they called pupils students. Subjects subjects. I a subject of the Queen. Hey, it's been a pleasure to pop with you here in the new year as the old saying goes next year in for warm it. Okay. That's how it goes. If you wanna Email us your questions, please do that. We are at hankered John g mail dot com. You can find John on Twitter, but he won't see at John green. Find me Hank green because using Twitter for the next year. It's great, by the way. I do miss Liverpool. Tweeting AFC will move in tweeting. 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EP81 Growing up with a ghost - Andrew Dexter

Weird Wacky Wonderful Stories Podcast

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EP81 Growing up with a ghost - Andrew Dexter

"The Weird wacky wonderful stories podcast is proud to be part of the low tree. Studios PODCAST network. To enjoy more great podcast like this one head along too low tree studios dot com. To episode of the Weird wacky wonderful stories podcast. Hosts Shemi. Reap Buddy and welcome to episode eighty one of the Weird Wacky I'm wonderful stories podcast. I'll be the same one here and say hi everyone. Know, you'll be the boring one. Come on, Sing Song. Hey, every body. You think I'm boring. I didn't say that. I didn't mean that. Okay. We have an interesting show for you. Guys Today, oh. Yes, we do. The hell. Did you drink today or Whatever I had my weekend staple breakfast today, which was four. Boiled eggs. With DP soldiers. That's hold them dippy shoulders down. Call them anything because no really. So really. Did you ever have been before you knew me? Did you have boiled eggs? Soft boiled so that you could get a nice now. Sort of like thin a toast, not in the Yolk Anita we. I know what you call a no of seen you eat it. I'd say something that I. Good and it isn't something that anybody in my family ever eight so I think it's close really. I think in egg should be cooked all the way it was cooked Holloway. It's just a runny Yolk. Everyone has run a yoke well, then we do with all the white in the middle. That's gross. Those come out like a flat frightening the. Why wait is cooked in solid like it would be if you had a normal, you know when you have. Fried, and then you flip. Yoke is still soft because I don't mind having my yellow, nice and soft and run those that colder yellow. Hold on, but if there's any white, that's not all the way done. It looks like frigging Snot so. No well, my wife is cooked and I'm more. Yellow is warm and runny nose. Just got it yellow. No. We go 'cause yellow, runny and warm, and then you get a nice crunchy, but a toast with real butter on dip it in the. So anyway, I had for breakfast this morning. Good, say for four eggs with resources toast, and it's a cardiac inducing breakfast, the butter and all the egg. Okay well then, but then June detail got loads of energy, so work off against. There's all good works itself out. You don't work it off when you get in bed at night over noises. It I. Don't have to do all the work you'll there. Cheese. Talk Yourself. Mean well for all you know. I do a lot of work at night you have. All right. Let's get on with this for I. I'm too busy playing on my IPAD. Thank you very much? I'm busy snoring. You'll busy doing neuropathy. Yeah I. Don't do my IPAD play with. Let's show. Today, we have an interview with a chap who got in touch with a square while ago and told us to buy a house that he grew in in south Wales, which had some unexpected and unwelcome visitors. So that is going to be really interesting if you're interested in haunted, you definitely want to stay tuned for that later on. We're GONNA. Have Richard Lenny and Ruth Roper wild with their monthly reports on the ufo happenings and the paranormal, but right now let's kick it off with our guest. He's from Wales, but he's living endorser at the moment in the UK. Please welcome to the show Andrew Dexter Hey Andrew. O.! Very much. Yeah, we're interested to hear your story because you actually grew up in a house embargo, lead and listeners who maybe don't know the area. Can you explain where Bargo it is, and maybe a rough estimation of the size, or whatever absolutely I mean well about ago it is about which used to be a former mining town and the South Wales Valleys. It's seventeen point three miles in cardiff on its eight miles north of Philly and it used to be run, but not as the committee cut better now. Yes should be marketer, not grew substantially since the open pit in eighteen, ninety seven and populated about three thousand people right. Yeah, it's stop. Idol challenge used to be well. No, it's not because obviously they the film Stella about five years ago. Okay, yeah, under also there was an episode of doctor who that was from there called the green death, but women the maggots. Yes. From the village of dairy, just two miles north of bodyguards, so obviously that was obviously the pits gone since there's been a decline in the time, which side obviously people will. To gain employment whatever so? It's a very close knit community bog. Oh, you know that. I've spent a boggling myself over the years just just popping in and out, but every time I've been there. There is really a big sort of community. That community members. But I quite like it. Obviously I've ever nostalgic memories, bits and Yeah. I grew up in practical villa. Yes, we. Family yes, what? We wanted to discuss archie today, because obviously as you said you lived with your family. Who is in there with you at the time? When all of this was going on, we're GONNA. Be Talking about what's going on a little bit later, but who is in the house at the time well at first of all. Of. US, there is my maternal grandparents. William George Hagan his wife Rita. She was a housewife. She was a but Maganga father was A. boggled colliery another. There's obviously my my parents. I'm colleen Douglas Dexter, but they separated nothing to do with the activity. That's going on. They were just a bit on the so I was born in sixty nine, and that's basically how it all started. Okay I must the history of the building itself was built on any sort of ground that that might be you know. Because I was talking to somebody who says she claims to be some sort of medium I. Only Compact Forest, the nineteen hundred, because I obviously I wanted to find out why this was happening. I know I find it quite a number of things indeed, and I found out that it goes back to nineteen hundred. He was named after the former Prime Minister William Gladstone. But over savings. Credit number two families lived in in in nineteen, twenty, four. There was a comedic family lived there on Saadia. Little baby died, and I found that out embargoed liberty. My family claimed to hear that baby cry and I think claim because obviously allow things that go along with without. Witnessing it you know, but I did see poltergeist activity there. When I say that he wasn't going on twenty four seven, we did live relatively normal lives, mother and father working there was no one sort doing. Or anything like that was no occult activity all the family. It wasn't do not know, but my father is. You say it was working a big house. That's how they match and and sixty five. He has it got married in. Six I was born in Australia. All Style I. said You know. Who Do you think was? The first person to? SORTA noticed that there was something not quite right about the house. They experienced altogether the they actually heard some things about what you know. It started off in the attic. On the thought somebody actually. Breaking in on the Minnesota Oh. It's so often the. Mainly eventually occupied seven the main bedroom. Right I incidentally my grandparents. Did, they continue to stay in that route. No, the the bill did, but some my grandmother. My mother I myself. We stepped on sofas on this on online through the lights on on lights. Company blaming stamp well. No, not all. We had a situation in our house not long ago where we heard something going to stays, and Bala was absolutely free can win you. And and we mentioned this on the show recently, but we also we watching something to do with the full house. We were both in bed, watching it and asked we watch. It wasn't a horror story. It was they actually talk into a guy who who lived in the house. Yeah, as we watching it all of a sudden above us, we've got like this. This metal piece of art on the wall and something smashed up against that really hard and yeah I mean there was just no explanation to. Go and Bella just. Was Not impressed. No knots also tell us about the things that were going on in your house. Then well, obviously, I was too young to remember all I started, but I'm only going by a lot of what was what was told to me. At the time there was a incident when I was a baby I was told I have to be moved out of that, because activity was so bad, I'm the main bedroom was the actual focus of it very rarely happened downstairs once occasion. said that my pillow. Drip wetting half. Oh, why not take some force, so don't think could rip a pillow in hassle. Respected member who root for the I when I was getting older experienced it for myself. You know on what I hear. LITERALLY FOOTSTEPS COMING IN THE BEDROOM DOT would be on a daily basis, whereas the poltergeist activity was extremely rare on those even the site I mean in all the years i. was there I never saw it. You know, but my mother did because I I didn't see this personally myself. Neither did my grandfather. My Grandmother was one evening he was watching television and the she just happened to look towards left towards where mother grandmother was shooting a book, and she saw the full solid figure of a monk, typical brown habit and everything over the head, so she didn't see the face, and she'll be again and again, and it was nothing there, and she told him I just were among. Did I'm ready to tell me that myself? was there any kind of monastery or anything? Nearby or anything that would make think monk, but what I've been told is word in mouth, but is a property directly opposite Rafeh Club. Yes, yes, which dates back to the sixteenth century with possible links to sign Kayak vow and guess gay sympathetic rallying against gear, but it's just a legend over tunnel is just, but apparently there's a priest height and I've been told a number of occasions that also there was a monastery nearby as well. You know I can only explain what I personally experienced from wherever but I. I do believe it goes of the nature of what's going on there. The only time I WANNA. See among because if I'm in a monastery and that's not what happened. Yet. But I never saw on John it didn't cause. I'm not sure how I would've reacted is interested in. Obviously you say that you know about this monastery, now cetera. Presumably back when this was happening, it wasn't no defined this sint because you've done the research. Necessarily have been familiar with. It wasn't anything to sort of put that into their head. I would expect in the area that you're talking about embargo to maybe see old miner or something like that, but finished I mean apparently he's been detected as well because my mother did see an elder demand, which to even now just don't make any sense to me because I I try very hard. Did that really happen? I know that it did to Russia icon grasp I mean there was some rational things that come be explained. You know just to keep my sanity, but. Yeah exactly because all the things that went on there. If it was just anything, do with mental health in surely would've been carrying on. We moved away. Glad you set dot because I was. I wanted to try, and would it and phrase it in a way, not to cause any offence or whatever I was going to ask you. Because you're said that your mother was the only one who actually sold the entity albeit who are going to talk later on about other instances that happened where other members of the family were involved, but if she was anyone who actually saw the I was going to ask you, what her sort of mental state laws. Diagnosed with us as we have never taken any illegal substances, so like kind of any. Drugs or those regarded as possibly mental health issues or drug induced things, but none of us have well. There are people that are just more sensitive to things. No absolutely. Maybe a small thing that she might be some of intuitive. But since we left property, we have even got to say it's been very very quiet. We don't experience anything like that. It's all now and it's being nearly forty fifty years since we started fifty years ago and we'd have to seventy eight. That's for forty years ago, isn't it so there was an incident that happened involving an Einen board I thought was fascinating. Tell us about is yes well again I didn't. NECESS-, but it's just when like my father nightshift the bills in bullying street, and my mother went to get him for work on. She's not only did see the the place all over his body. She's told. So the bedroom as well as if he wasn't if there was an entity now, and he wasn't welcoming. My. My my mother woke him up on. Because he was astonished situation he was in used. Unrepeatable language won't say here. To say what the next mission is of surprise but I. A blamed my family on the Godfather, primarily of doing some of it, but as time went on, he could see that he was not responsible for this. Your mother went to get your father up. He's laying in bed. He's asleep and the Einon board is laying on his body. Literally, what would drive an entity to do that? I wonder. Maybe they wanted to iron. loomis viewers that was a tactful say. Do some mining for us. They obviously, but some sort of like I. Dunno maternal female. Child! Child I remember as a kid myself. One of the things that we love to do is build these little faults these dens. You'd put something over the top and I wonder. You mentioned that you know you find it afterwards. There was a child that sadly lost its life property. So yeah I wonder whether it was a child trying to play a lot of times. When you hear about Holton, you could think okay. Something was thrown across the room because they wanted to frighten people all they wanted to try and strike people with whatever it was throwing. Throwing but I've never heard of an envelope being placed on top someone, and that's one of the things that really drew me to this story. Because you know why, because if you die and you're a ghost, you'd do that kind of stuff. That's why drew to it. Yeah, you really nice. That's true, though somebody awake up and have like shaving cream all over their face, but nobody's there. We'll I've done that, too yeah. I can see what you mean because I've never before seen here of anything like that up in. Being placed on somebody you know. Quite unique is nets. It is like I said. That's one of the things that drew story because you hear accounts of tins over and over again, and it's always something was thrown. You know something was moved someone Hooda. ghostly and your footsteps on the floor boards, or whatever, but as I am of this and I think it makes it all the more credible of story because it's something that is unexpected if you like. Remember the footsteps on a daily basis. Sometimes it happening today, but mainly evening while I was going to ask you. What sort of things if at all happened during the day then? Particular site that I couldn't distinctive him clear remember. It was during the day we was living room the main the main living room. And, my mom is still quite clear to remember my mother going towards the war, but not wants to get something. She looked again to our left on I can see the actual especially in the face of somebody's soul, but don't recognize on I didn't see this because obviously. The doors wide open and somebody else give it the whole, but she described as an elderly face, look into the bench, looking into the living room, rather from where the bedrooms were in the hallway, and she described wavy hair and I did so to find due to my research, because obviously I knew people that lived there before I went to school with one of their sons and Camille because he again. Again lived there before us, and he's the one who started room out of Augustine Villa after being haunted, and all the tunnels up lead leading to client and GonNa get so if you a financing it by those tunnels. I never saw I did I remember going into my fortieth birthday at a couple of pints? They're under stuff, told me they experiencing and then it was when I was talking to. My friend like we like breath from the Pocatello over to the club and I was talking to number of staff, was it? He's tight and tunnels. Oh, he said. Let's There's tons going to. It's what I had on US professional teacher as well and so he's he. He was off some respectable nature. You know, and then the stuff told me that's all we've heard footsteps. These on some of them was pushed, but the the priest the told holidays actually sealed up, so you wouldn't take me down there. It's in the Selah sexy in. Those showing on time plans or anything not quite sure to be honest. I'm sure they would have to map some because of things like water and. Water, but obviously the. A. Listed building, so we should option as you have something of that. Because the original beams date back to fifteen forty something there could have been anything they're really. What I? Obviously, it makes a lot of sense. They was the religious persecution of that time in the sixteenth century on those those times would be on the rooms because there's a room affording Catholic as well. Isn't that Roy I got you so it would have been an escape route potentially then. It would have been very heightened in terms of the emotions would would have been high as everyone into those tunnels. It's true, and if you follow things, stone tape theory, then certainly that would follow that something was such emotional energy attached to. It may well then then show US things later on. Record your energy and everything so it back. So was there ever anybody that came to visit or anything? That ever saw anything boggled police I remember them coming there. On. Obviously they was with suspicious. Because there's no, there was no crime. They're committed. I can remember clearly remember them going into the Statham being reluctant of going into the Arctic you know, I can remember quite young men. But the of the of the decision saying. Do, you think it's Douglas Texter. My father sort of like playing pranks on the vacancy was always acusations with each other to know what I mean and also I was told there was a spirit medium John. Matthews came they he before he. He found questions on any challenging to spin it by knocking on the ceiling. I'm. Sure, enough the entity knock pocketing at some point you went into a trance to try. I made contact with it, but he fails name, but what did say was, and he played in the state of the obvious, there was an entity that. Hundred! And it was a new spirit, basically an unfinished business, those very he said, and we also had a priest or vicar, and all that and he blessed the house, and after a few of Pres- he duty on there was A. After a few. Months it was, it was very quiet, no incidents, but it did come back with a vengeance. Well, just basically the same thing we. I'd footsteps every nights. We are the editorial cables being pulled by seen forces, and I did remember hearing like the Gordian chant in the bathroom. What sounded like it, but selfishly I interpreted because you've been oh concrete it, but I actually remember it. Anybody ever get hurt. No got say that we didn't know that thing. We can do serious harm, but obviously it did affect us. It did leave an indelible mark on us. Yeah, absolutely, it's left. let's move. On Obsession with Norma and it made my mother. I'm a nervous wreck. She's still very timid. She's yeah, she's still. She's seventy years old and she's still quite tomato. Aspiring if the mobile phone goes off, she jumps. You know so. It has affected us to move you back a minute. Why would the police called on that occasion? And what was it the that? was a high level of activity and Davis Furniture Turnover, and not only the neighbors think thinking. There was a break hand because there was finished. There was typical poltergeist activity. The finish was turned over when they come back from the dance somewhere. But there was no forced entry nothing stolen, but the police were called anyway. I Sunday question I couldn't understand why something about was. This is another job for this just for the priests. No, it's a valid point. We discussed this Roy on our start of our journey to podcasting when we hadn't really spoken to anybody who'd been experienced in any experiences any scientists. You know any of the authors that we've spoken to. It was just US trying to find I bit. So by you know the paranormal. We've been on this journey of discovery. If you'd like and we remember, I distinctly remember having a conversation. Bella where we said that if you did have a hole in. Coal exactly. That the spirit you'll dealing with. Effective by you know Krisztian Vicar. What if the spirit was of another denomination? The army wouldn't be ingested. The police wouldn't necessarily be interest. I would be in a hotel. To get me out of house and then the next day at becoming a real estate agent. That's who I would be calling. Commissioner when the call? No, no, there isn't a ghostbusters. Had that brilliant lined a who you gonNA call and I'm really. I'm really. Who are you GONNA call. So, what is he possibly? Like look at every aspect of what is before you can overlook before not not overlook anything before you come to. The conclusion is part of normal, so at least once or twice. We did think it's a break in right, so you've got to think rationally, but nothing was missing. And nothing was stolen because other people who were witness news. It wasn't just a family family friends neighbors. Across the streets? With missed it. Things smashed, and everything gives us an average day. You know you're a schoolchild, you maybe ten years old. Okay I lived there from the age of the baby today of eight so literally a child. A young child, innocent child not really NFL. What's going on? They would be times when it would be hours and hours and hours under be completely silent. Nothing we. What should we a normal family? Meal I'll come from school. We chat or today or did this. We Watch television and all of a sudden boom. And? My grandmother would say look out Johnny started, and then we look at each other that's. Is that you like doing this? And then we turn the television down the volume down to clearly, and then we'd know for certain. It was something we had to go on. We did footsteps directly above US going slowly. We knew then, but that's basically on a rare occasion. They was the productivity on. My grandfather claimed to admit bald, so they're gonNA making distinctive remember now I. Did see myself. Myself, but he came into the room with a broken Butlin in Santa decided not me said the activity was mainly going on in the main bedroom. For some reason I don't even grandfather would sleep in that well. That was entrusted Naci. Because obviously you said earlier, the number of you at you moved stays to sleep, but grandfather bill he was actually at one point paralyzed by the spirit. Is that correct? Yeah, that's really. He told her she tried to show up for helping. You couldn't shout out, but does that mean my own personal Russian explanation for that? As it may of being sleep, paralysis I I don't know, but he then said there was something in them. I don't if he saw it you. You did say you saw something pretty heard the creaking. Everything's so, but I can only assume that it's possibly sleep on my only. Russian experts for that. Had sleep paralysis so I can. I can attest to feelings that you get with that and I've had three times nine. Yeah have you had it yourself not quite as good as I obviously. I woke up move in my car I. Kinda Move I very rarely get it though it's extremely rare. Only happened three times to me, but the last time it happened I did have a feeling that there was someone prior to that I. Just like yourself I had just the feeling of not being able to move. except I've never felt the sensation of being with me though obviously used to be called syndrome, didn't it? Because the idea was that, you would see this entity, call in the bed, and then it would sit on your chest so i. suppose it could have been asleep proudest situation, but then again with all of the other evidence you out of things going on in the house definitely could have been the spread. You mentioned that your mother would call. The spirit was Johnny Johnny. Sorry Tha-. That's that's that's fine. She nickname. She called it, Johnny. We had it for so long. Yeah, let's give it a nickname. She called him joint me on. My grandfather would try and gut reaction by shouting out that but nothing would happen, so that was a point. Talk really so. They didn't do anything to order you try and provoke reaction and nothing would go on. Yeah, but I mean I would experience. It wasn't quite like what you saw was even at least as dramatic as what you see in films. Dot said a base. Envy apologized and there was nothing quite like that. Afraid to be there yourself, but like I said some kinds, yes, but more than anything. We were fascinated because like I said. We lived relatively normalize. It wasn't going. The acted activity wasn't twenty four seven, so we we occasionally, there was a time when I was literally maybe jump. We got a family friend Fred Davis Convention. Mention Him 'cause. He's suddenly no longer with us. He was a rook friend on the phone that they books together bog while you call the, and he would come regularly and he would sit by the fire by favorite place you'd smoke is homemade cigarettes and a flak, cop and talk with a cigarette his. You could imagine. But maybe all quiet AH, do this is during the day as well as it must have been weekend here on Sunday, and I was playing with the sideboard, and all of a sudden literally heard one bang. It was so loud that Fred Duck his head and he told us. Solo coming through when he was quite brave enough to go up there. I got into my gone for that. was always I when I was asked I? Couldn't find anything to account for that loud noise so unexplained so were things that Ono that. Yes, just no choice. That was paranormal. 'cause, my own personal experience as well, not bedrooms. You like I. Say it was all it's just happened so suddenly. You know it can be very quiet and I will. Not Main Bedroom I made sure that the light was on and I was laying on the double barrel gun pens beds, facing all my left, facing the window that looked into Cardiff Fraud Bagua ton center. It was quiet and all of a sudden who'd accounts on the bed and that's quite true. And obviously being a child at the time, I was to get naturally too scared to look on. When eventually did there was nothing there so I went down staff to to tell my gun pants. I remember we went back upstairs on. We saw distinct Paul Marks Literally Paul marks quite large. On the bed, I kid you not. And you didn't have pets or anything. We didn't have any dogs. NO NOTHING NOTHING WOW! Explanation is is my grandfather told us that they did a Labrador and he called me to- V. T. O. V. Y.. Tovy, who had near grandfather, had my grandfather bill dog Kotova that died before I was born. A lot of it seemed to be mostly around your grandfather, didn't it? No, I don't think any of us. Was The folks at the attention I think possibly the house was because of the history of the house or pups. 'cause may one of them something tragic cotton there. A baby definitely died there I could. I found out that the baby's name was Elvin Kimmy. It's and he's better inbound wealthy He was only four months old and my grandparents. My grandfather mother claims. And in the bedroom now I didn't take north of what they said because I never hear that I never heard that, so, but since I made a discovery makes sense to me. Did. Hear it, so I take what they say is quite neutral. You didn't think it was malicious though it was just. Trying to. Throw. Is Grandfather neglects. All the bottle thrown an. True. Like I say I did really what didn't cause any serious serious home to us like I said incident with the Gospel was soon towards it. Not attend because mean will. They don't directly talk you, do they? I don't think I'm not I mean I was nine years and that's still doesn't make me an expert so i. mean what's what possible explanation. Get gets. I don't know the thing is. Is that even if it wasn't being physically militias? If there was an that was permanently in the house, albeit it wasn't permanently causing issues, but if it was in the house, most of the time scholley, it would have seen the upset as you said it was causing your mother, but then again we talk about something here. That has a consciousness and is a way of you. Two, theoretically could have been being put on a table that used to be in that spot where your grandfather was no lion or sorry, your father was no lion, the dog or cat, or whatever it was could have just been replaying something where it jumped on something or something be enthroned could have been replaced something that was thrown at something. For you have the they don't take theory, which is, it doesn't exactly yeah, the fabric of the house which is in obviously like recording. It was You know obviously recalled things in place back quite literally over and over so when you guys moved out of there. Did you stay in the town. We stayed in embargo. Yes, I moved out in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, when I met my family out children and stuff. And then we moved also ten in two thousand fifteen, but my my mother still lives there. What I wanted to know is do you know who moved into that House after you? Yes, yes, I do because obviously. When we moved, we moved in the summer of nineteen seventy eight. I'm one to local businessmen bought the property on I could tell you the names if you want me to. Join and ALDO REC- The received coffee in embodied right. You know richest coffees. And then they moved up to this, but they made no claim, and then eventually after that John from London, how and then when the boonies turnover became a hotel, reds parkwood sale anatomy fortieth boosted their in two thousand nine on NATO me. They don't personal experience. particularly in room nine upstairs, they will so there was evidence that yes. Yes, yes, room nine when you live, there was. Father Room will. Here's my grandparents room. The master bedroom. Yeah, so that same society room yeah. That's interesting that they should. They should corroborate essentially. It on the landing overlooking. If you look at conflict on say, Google maps, it's literally on the left hand side and the top window. It the because it may not typically took place fan. Because other people said people have stayed. There was a training of your things on the other people said Oh. Don't hit anything, so it depends sensitive. You are all right is happening. 'cause I ran by women mother-in-law. I didn't hear anything back. When I went back that I didn't hear anything, so I can. I can coming from, and you said that nobody in your family. Since you guys left there that you know of nobody in your family had any further sort of paranormal experience says is funny should ask us. Moved Out, we moved to a council probe a council estate. To Mason that they were three story properties anniversary move that it didn't happen. Immediately should agree, but we had a little Jack Russell Dog. As a pet that was the first dog I've had in my lifetime. And they took the dog out for my mother on my gone on. Just the golfers I myself. And we hit stretching on the on the bathroom door. We we hear that quite clearly that she was only for a few seconds or more. And then it stopped, and then my grandfather Mitchum. Agom, do not me. The open the door open the door and there was nothing it was so scratch marks on there. My grand. 'cause I thought I go back got confused. Is One of confusion seem actually most 'cause I took the dog nine. I'm sure they have but because. They told us there was no incidents after that. Right, so maybe it was just something that did follow you until. Follow this yes, and then possibly went back. Here I'M GONNA. Like dogs. I tell you what there's been a few instances where I've seen your story now. I know there's a youtube video of IT I. Know that you've spoken to a close friend of ours Ruth Roper wild also. Your appears in one of her books. Yeah obviously. I've I've heard an interview as well on on here which are delightful I absolutely delighted to be here well. She's going to become an right after you now. But I believe your is in her. My haunted tongues book is right. It is yeah I I. Had yes, I've got a copy of which I had for Christmas. It's one of my Christmas boxes accident. She'll be pleased to know that. She actually knows I i. told you facebook occasionally. Right, okay brilliant. How did how did you meet Ruth I physically met Sir I was i. I must have seen as someone. I've told her about my experience. To US permission on I, give it up emission. But the reason why I made his public I. Even though I'm I, know I'm set up all sorts of ridiculing mockery, but those who mock are not ones that experience maybe on this, the primary reason is is to challenge anyone. Any skeptic, any for non believe all heart and skeptic to stay long enough on they cashew will. The it'll it'll. It's question now, but he's just been challenge. It think if you'd have come with this maybe forty fifty years ago, then I think that yes, you might have opened up some kind of ridicule, or whatever, but I've got say that I think that people have a lot more of an open mind when it comes to these kind of things faced. The age of the craziest only. I mean we've had so many people. Owner shows now, plus we have loads of listener so obviously. The interest is out there and most of the people that are listening to these shows and stuff. They're not the ones going on now. We don't believe it. That are actually genuinely interested in. What people have to say. Can I showed anyone. I'm quite sincere, but what I say and I'm very. Truthful and nobody could that question my My my honesty and Well as far as we're concerned, your integrity is definitely not in question. We had contact with Hewlett while ago. When you initially sent us the story, we had a whole stack of shows already planned and booked and everything, but you got back in touch again recently, and I thought Oh yeah I remember that you know we we got. We got a visit and I know that the gall used from spun I, spoke to drew I. Know You've eye? Contact withdrew as well. I know that they were very interested. In possibly finite, moral bite the property and they can take it further. The radical clubs current. If say I think it's been bought. But apparently somebody. The pen. And maybe possibly of an investigation caused trump those properties. Nita status and CETERA investigation I in his shoe. Just improve what I is true and I I mean. We're GONNA. have to bring this to a close, but I think you're absolutely right. Because what we do need is a thorough as you said. Professional investigation because there are too many organizations. Going out for the entertainment value. If. If the given it does, and if investigation organization actually goes out with the proper equipment, the proper tools takes it seriously and comes back with some hard evidence. That's going to change this whole genre and people like yourself who put themselves on the line and come in and say I'm I. Vote Myself Potentially to ridicule that loss stop because no one argues with the fact that the `electricity causes light to come on, because that's been scientifically proven, but once there is scientific proof that this is all happening is going to be a lot of people wishing they'd kept quiet. Rattling. Another thing that they did convince a skeptic when. We had. Friends. And, she pretends to all of US I. Looking around and said don't always spy vicious cycle, isn't it? Until eventually in front of her, and then she was the one who suggested the medium, the priest, and even the press on my grandmother. Rebuked the press what she? She didn't want ridicule. On the attention, but I'm not attention seeking I'm just wanted to prove my point. Exempt told people on. It was rumored anyway long before our family moved to add commercials started rumors of it, being haunted and the club and. Guess. I kinda all connected maybe possibly. He was the one that lived there before you right? Before. I notice done Kevin I never created. who the hormone might be and should be a picture on I have to show that picture to my mother. She recognizes that. The only way conclusion I can go to that so W. Well listen, thank you very much for spending time with us today. We really appreciate it and we love to you in your story. Thank you so much. Yeah, I've been absolutely delighted to yeah. Thank you know. It's been really good fun. And if anybody does have any more information about Gladstone Villa, the rougher club it's now. What's it called Park Hotel at call rush pockets help obviously. Goes in two thousand fourteen, but I knew the president owner. If anybody, I know the property and has had dealings with it. Maybe you've worked in their over the last couple of years when it's been in the. Hotel exactly get in touch with us because we would love to maybe help Andrew and the guys from spun and roof if she's GonNa get involved well to actually take a little bit further, and maybe find out a little bit more, and and maybe answer some of the questions that we've all about this particular building. Thank you again for your time, and you really appreciate you. Spend your time with a really good. Bye Bella shutting. Thank you. He's an nice trump us. Any definitely seemed very nice, very sincere. US pretty scary to me, although I think 'cause I always say like I would leave. If you know it doesn't. Seem like it necessarily didn't want them. There almost seemed like things were just playing out. As if they weren't there, unlike he said whenever you think of haunting, whenever all you think of a home in any way when someone says, we're living with the ghosts, you immediately refer to the shows that you see on TV the movies. On Your, you know paranormal activity, all sorts of things where you know this crazy off the wall stuff happening all the time. But as he said a lot of the time it was just you know making noises, things or banging things are closing. Things are dropping or whatever? And it wasn't. Directly targeted at people say it was like it was playing out. Despite the fact that they were there. Yeah I think it's interesting that. We. Are, trying to. I wouldn't say prove or disprove were trying to give people this forum the talk about things. And yet we asked the questions almost with the expectation that things might be like the movies or the books. You know so it is refreshing to have somebody on saying well you the stuff that went on there and it was kind of weird, and it was scary times, but he didn't try to sensationalize. He was like this is what happened. I don't care if you believe it or not, so that's cool. Yeah, no, I think he's very credible so moving on then we've now got Richard Lenny here with his. UFO, report and following him also Ruth Roper Wild. She will be here with her paranormal report. Get away once again always. Welcomed the WED wacky wonderful. and. This is Richard Lenny speaking to her somewhere on earth. Well. It's an interesting month. And I'm going to start off with. Captain Freehoff. Captain Day, Freehoff is confirming Bob Lizzo story about site full. Wilson as s bowl. I'll tell you the reason why skies confirm nece. He was at bill, F, space back in nineteen, sixty seven. Where he first started piloting the. Esau seventy one blackbird. And So, we had to have a special coons to this. which is the reason why later on a? Nineteen seventy nine through nineteen, eighty five. It was easy for him to get a position at area fifty one. So. He started in nineteen, seventy-nine, going to area fifty one gives the Janet seven, thirty seven, which flies him at that with a lot of other guys. and. He remembers seeing. A bogus aw on the plane, but he also remembers when he gets off the plane with with some other guys that a couple of others would go into a different section and get until thus where they would go off in a completely different direction. which was towards site full? So at the time he didn't know what he was doing, but he remembers seeing him every day on giant flight, but who remembers him, not going with him to area fifty one, but getting on a bus and going off with a few other guys to what later became known as as full. An also he say's while he was at area fifty one, he'll send you a few guys. That new bulb, desirable, side and Yeah, so it was definitely confirmed that he would s full. Whether he saw flowing sources there, of course he conned confirmed that, but he can definitely than he was at sites full noticeable. So. That was quite interesting, so for any of you skeptics and then think that Bob is on a went to school. Oese Day. On the second one which is a to do with the Delta flight, ten, seventy, six, which is. An Nathalie one nine Airbus Madonna. If you guys have heard about this, but apparently it had to make an emergency landing at JFK because it hits. Something mysteriously waters in flight. When they got off the plane, check it over. They noticed a front nose combs caved in. Now this is a very interesting story because paint will chip to weigh in, and it was mock pulled around the edges. definite damage damaged because that's why some housed in the nose cone of the seven thirty seven. but it wasn't a bad strike as they. I thought because there was no blood, there was no feathers. Knowing trails nothing. With boots striking only get these one of those three things. I was speaking to a guy that used to work on aircraft, and he support a few strikes, and he confirmed with May that this was definitely not a strike, and they changed their stories quite interesting because they i. it was a good story. And then they changed it a few hours later to say that it was Hale. Will that the plane hit always. But I found out doing a little bit of research that the weather was very good. In fact, it wasn't really any weathe-. So. How can you Account for the hail or is if there was weather so now that then all saying that is. Not Racing was either. They've changed the stories. I think for thirty time and. They don't know what it was. When you know unconsidered. I. Think is pretty obvious. This a three one nine Airbus hits fear. At around about twenty five thirty thousand feet. And these fares they're telling. Sadness, ever since twenty seven. Yeah ever since twenty eleven. I've been saying this. and. What is phase? You are asking well. They are a metal bowl. They do very different in soy Jr, but mainly about the smile as size of the small nineteen sixties, mini, but insperity cool for. So. You can imagine the damage that these things 'cause. They're up that twenty, four, seven, three, sixty five. Now I said. It's different sizes. We have seen smaller than. We have seen much the size of a small mini. But UNIM-, by the way I think they're also responsible for crop circles that we get in UK in other parts of the world. But I. Don't think there's anyone incited Martinez controlled by a higher power which is probiotic space. Maybe even one of these a deep space stations that Jomo ceased to his tennis cut. The definitely, these things odds Based! On I'll tell you for why. Because she identifies many assuming like any astronomer, a whole scientist decision would would would do. I mean 'cause. I can't say one hundred percent, but I'm ninety percent said these things are of world. I'll tell you the reason why the reason I think. This is because there's no way that we. Would put off planes the people on them in danger by flying these things so close. In class I don't mean like a mile to turn the plane. I'm talking not even feet from the plane. I am talking inches from the plane of had many people that have been in a window seat unethical that video these things for me, and then some to me when he landed coming back from Italy back from Franz, coming back from America getting Italy ganged. Franz going to Spain. These things on the wingtips, these things actually up by the window looking in. I mean you couldn't get any closer much insane that marching nineteen sixties mini form coming up to the window. You'll plane I mean. Would we do that? We would not now. These things are definitely. Team another reason one of them off to another reason why? has also because they're seen going into space. Missing heading towards the Moon, they've also been seen coming off the moon and coming towards earth. Now Joan Walston I think it was about three years ago. He called a double one coming out of the ions sphere, hitting space I Khuda dumbbell bags, exactly what it looked like a logistical bumble. And it seemed to be connected together somehow between like. A road game between the two of them, so it looked like a anthem mel. And had a different colors on. It was pretty bake, and he actually tried to go out the sentence fearing heading towards on mood. So I don't think they seems earth-based a tool. By the way, if you WANNA see them. You can see these things every single day. Especially when the sky is clear or you need to do is get an old camcorder of feedback. Make sure got nice shot function screw thread Lens. That's very important. That doesn't have a screw thread. Lens do not by. The reason for this is because you have to fill This camcorder in has to be an infrared filter. So you screwed on the end you go to night show even though you'll be shooting through the day. This gives you the night vision. This gives you the ability to see him. SALUTATORIAN is so high up. Need to see them, and you need the clarity. And what you do, is you. Put your soon to infinity. And then you pound the sky. Blue Sky within thirty seconds you will catch one of these things and just push code by What it does I think guarantee. If you've got a plane by way of doing this, it'll probably go up and go into the control of the plane. Cantrell people who that it'll go in and out which is how you get this wispy look sometimes when you see a controls. Go anything else, so he's gone in. While is probably one of these phase. On just see what it does, and then, of course because you've got a camcorder quoting you code, you can ensure that your friends. Your neighbors and you can say hey. Look. These things exists which Lenny's right look there's via. And sometimes you may see two or three of them. You may see more, but you'll definitely say at least one. So. That's my theory on now. And then just to end this month, Information on UFO'S I've got. An interesting ongoing links by the way for these well amok on an interesting story. That MICHAEL FROM MR MVP three three three out unnecessarily link to the video and you can see it. I think six minutes and forty seconds into the video case go to six fourteen and more chet. Now. This is really amazing guys. I don't exactly know how he was filming is what he was filming, but Nike a belief I'm writing saying was in. Yes San, Diego California okay so Santiago California six minutes forty seconds into the VJ. Just Watch, it is really wet. nights on and you can see. In the distance, some sort of city or town than all of a sudden. You get this wave going across. You know the sort of thing. I mean like come on a jet plane when the jets. Powering up the heat signature. WAS LIKE THAT It was really strange like a ripple effect. Going through now. I've seen this before I. Remember Assumedly Video Moon. wasn't close ups. You can ripple effect in a quite far back, but it will still be close, and it was clear it was studying sunny, still ripple effect over the three or four times in installed. And that was relayed. What is basically the same thing again, but oversee wasn't a me to look in across it at a time will city. He was quite high up I think. What you you'll see the video anyway, so I find that very interesting. So. What does this mean? What is this ripple effect? I mean. Could it be something to do with all son? Could it be something to do with flam maybe? These camera's picking up. But they said they didn't see with the naked eye because he was with other people. If I remember right. Yeah and they were saying that. They could see it through the camera, but they couldn't see it with their. Is The camera oversee? Picked it out, you see. The camera picks things up. The eyes cannot see in the digital former coast especially. If you've got these filters on the ends, well, infrared filters is a lot of stuff going on guys. It's all hidden. Old Hidden in the infrared spectrum, so check that out anyway. on I think that's about it really. A one loss thing giving this one is well in Scotland Edinburgh a guy coded triangle. Kroft look like a triangle craft, and it was going in and out of cloaking. It was daytime. That was blue sky and clouds sudden. You see this like thing in sky, look triangular in shape and then disappear, and then it would come back again you how `bout sort of. Almost like a a like a ripple effect, so there was something going on there as well so these two very very similar to each other on I, think video a continuous on off to the other ones on the same. The same program. MR MB. Three three, so check in both houses six full chain washed the first one than the other. Come off threat and see what you think. This just proves that these things do quote. I have seen them as well. They definitely go in and out in and out whether this particular cross was having a problem with Clinton device, or whether news being video to just wanted to show, but either way is on video and we've got. And now we can show it to you. So that's it guys is rich. Lenny for the where he wonderful signing out. Hi, everyone, welcome to my segment on the paranormal. I'm sure most of you know me by now. But for anyone knew my name is re-stripe wild. An author who writes exclusively about the paranormal? You can find links to connect with me and my books in the show notes. Hope keeping well in these strangers of times, and finding ways to still get enjoyment and fulfillment in your life. Despite the various restrictions, you might be living on the now wherever you are in the world for me, it's made it slightly harder to scout the news and find the paranormal related snippets to bring g, because everything is so dominated by what. So please if there's anything paranormal happening that you know of and you want me to include in this segment, you can always write to me. W. A. Dash One four, zero, zero at outlook DOT com. I did manage to find a few interesting bits and pieces this month, so he goes. I found a short shortage. The homes property site, which mentioned that one of famous pop singer Robbie. Williams is many homes is possibly haunted. He his wife Aida and their four children divide their time between the homes in America and the lovely old mentioned here in the UK in the county of Wiltshire. Ropy says the site dates bite back at least a thousand years, and so it wouldn't be at all surprising if it had picked up a bit of paranormal activity. He told the interviewer that he always felt that. One of the bedrooms in the property had a very spooky field to it. that. He didn't really like going in. The bedroom which is L. storefront pied up until she was seven years old. Then one day she and her father were having a conversation about their various houses, and he asked whether she liked the Wiltshire House. She told him that she didn't like that house as much as the others because our bedrooms creepy and she didn't like being in their. Seeing, as that was exactly how he felt about the room, he immediately moved her into a different bedroom, and the spooky veteran was then just left as a spare. It did make me wonder about people living with the path for house, which is uncomfortable, due to some hard to define spooky feeling, and of course not everyone is lucky enough to have enough rooms. Just stay away from bit. which both them. How'd you deal with that if you were living in such situation now? Rubio's mentioned that. On one occasion he went to the front door to greet his sister, and for second, so his dog Trixie, bouncing up and down her legs in excitement just like she always did. Any difference. Tricks he had been dead for quite some time. Another. Sniff it which my interest you to know is that Nottingham. She is haunted museum. Way has not yet been able to reopen for in the UK coronavirus lockdown. Although officially museums have now been given. The green light to open haunted museum have very sensibly made the decision that because the laughed their premises with narrow corridors and tight spaces would make any form of social distancing practically impossible. It would be safer for them to remain closed for the time being. They have however we open their online streaming of cameras around the building, which means you can still do a virtual ghost hunt for yourself by watching social media. Apparently some viewers of course Mitch of a young boy on the cameras and voices being recorded, even though the building's empty. You can visit their website or facebook page take part is also worth noting that still accepting haunted items or paranormal curios for display. On twelve deny darvish live reported that an anonymous lady had taken a photograph up on the fourth floor corridor of the Royal Darby Hospital. She was an inpatient at the time of course because of social distancing restrictions. There were very few people moving about in the hospital. As she walked down the fourth floor, corrigo she was thinking to herself. Have Very Spooky. It felt up there. And took a photograph with the phone to put on a group chat to family to tell me what it felt horrible and she didn't like being their alone. When she bit to the picture, she could see that she captured. What she thinks. Is Adult figure at the far end of the corridor? When she was certain, there was no one else there when she took the photo. To be honest. The factories quite blurry for some reason, and that makes it hard in my opinion to make anything out on it. Have you ever experienced anything paranormal about hospital? Another. Newspaper entry caught my eye, which had a particularly creepy photograph attached. This was from the sun on the first of July. If you up for yourselves. The story came from Aylesbury. A medium sized town in the south of the UK. New Mother Charlie had just settled. Her baby is Dan for sleep. And, since he'd been unwell, I have to with a chest infection. She was keeping a very close eye on him on the baby monitor. She's got time for Monitor. which is a small camera, so you can actually see the baby as well as here. Isaac seemed to have settled quite quickly, which was a relief? But she clouds screen anyway as being a new mom, she was feeding extra cautious. To a horror, she could see a pair of hands in the crib with her son looking as if they were reaching towards his head. She says her I. Thought was that someone is was in the room with him and was trying to snatch him. while. She says that if she had stopped for moment of it, logically, that couldn't have been the case that she knew her house for security locked at the time. Terrified that some reaching him? She ran into his room. I need to find him sleeping peacefully and no one was there. She actually managed to take camera shot of the screen with the hands visible. It's not clear whether that meant the Ham Stadium View on screen. Even after she ran into the room or whether she took the photo I and then Ramsey him. To be honest, very skeptical of her I thought was I'll just take a photo of that before dashing to ensure her baby safe so I'm assuming the ham stay visible long enough to get shot. The Patriot self is definitely creepy, though the baby is perfectly clear sleeping quietly, a next head is what looks like a pair of old ladies. Hands reaching towards him. You can even make after wedding ring on the finger. The Hamza, not as clearly defined as the baby, the king slightly blurred or misty, was as a kid, clearly a solid base. Any Article Charlie says her sister took the fight at the side kick, and that person told them was actually Charlie's grandmother, looking out for the baby, and was nothing to be worried about. A few days earlier on twenty nine th of June, the sun also posted a video with a shadow figure in it. This video is said to have been taken by pregnant lady who happened to be docking cassidy for friend of hers. Choose embedded in their house and you can clearly hear a cat meowing in the video. She was making a video of her own baby. Bump trying to get pitch the kicks. The baby is giving to share with friends, so the camera angle is one of somebody looking down at their own body. Because of the angle, the video clearly making the foreground, the focus object, and the foreground in this case of course is the lady's Tummy. The background is therefore darker and indistinct, but you can make out the end of that. She's lying up. And slowly adult figure raises up from the floor MPC over the end of the bed, showing justice head in a little bit of neck area before sinking back down again. Definitely doesn't look like either. The cat moving all the dog, which was apparently in the house at the time to. Have Conc- what you think. The last bit of News Act find was also from the UK the rest of the news channels worldwide around full of politics and covered at the moment. Sir, right to me if you have news from elsewhere share. This snippet was call live on the tenth of July and featured husband and wife Ghost, hunting team Leeann Lindsey. They were using a very popular ghost hunting, too often known as a random word generator, and from the clip. It looks like they're using the version, which is available as an APP, you can download onto your mobile phone rather than actual device. They visiting one of the caves around ten tattling call. Believed to be where Merlin, the wizard will have resided during his lifetime. They were trying to connect with the spirit of the famous visit. But believe they might have connected with the spirit of a woman. Who may felt could have been murdered in the caves. From the video clip, you can hear the denounce to their questions. The random were generate size you are in. Female Sophie. Include an RAFF. Now for me, the first three did seem to relate to what they were asking and might have indicated. They get a response from female spirit. But. It seems a huge leap to go from those words to believing. This is possibly the spirit of a murdered woman. I'm often quite dubious about these devices, and also the spirit boxes wish used. Spirit boxes is sweet. The radio waves rapidly and a program, so they don't latch onto an actual radio station. By doing this, they create to white noise effect, and we've both these and the random word generators. It's believed spirit can manipulate energy each produce the words they want to say. Now to my mind, there's an awful lot of leap into conclusions which go on with the random words out by these devices. And people forget they designed to spit out random words, and so therefore not everybody's going to be a communication. I've been on a number of ghost hunts with groups and watch. People tried to attach meaning to every word and to me. That's not sensible. Given the fact that devices supposed chuck out words. I do however remain on the fence about the subject, because once or twice, I have seen some very interesting results with them. I was once in a ghost hunt to particular location where one of these devices spat out the words in this exact sequence, an using different voices. Old! Gresley! Hole? Old grizzly. Whole We've a ghost hunting in old Gresley hole in the UK at the time. Now, that really intrigues me because. I can't imagine why anyone would have programmed the word grizzly into one of those devices. NAUHEIM ACHY, why any random radio host have been saying it just as add device happened sweet, pass their channel. What do you think? Have you ever had a really clear communication from one? And finally justice it from my book. The ALMANAC of British ghosts on, somebody. You might like to try and ghost onto the next few weeks. July, the twenty seven is the anniversary of the battle of Killiecrankie in Scotland. Fought during the first by uprising on that day in sixty, one, thousand, nine between the highland, supporting King James the first and King. James the second. And the lowlander English troops supporting William of Orange. Although the Jacobites won that particular battle, they did so with heavy losses including the death of their chieftain Bonnie Dundee. Apparently on the anniversary each year, the sounds of the battle and of men screaming and groaning as they die can sometimes be still be heard on the wind. And Aram seven o'clock and evening the reset, sometimes be a bloody red glow to the sky, making the ground look blood-stained again just as it was all those years ago. If you do decide to go, please please take a camera and a tape recorder with. Let me know how you got on. So until next time, happy ghost hunting. Richard and ruth once again for their reports as always fantastic amount of information in there. They send us the links they're going to be in. The show notes for you. Make sure you have a look at those. Make sure you interact with them as well as us. Let them know you heard them on our show. 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"Check ordered as a result of the way. God godfrey's private plane veered towards the control tower. Frightening the crew in the tower after takeoff at peterborough airport. Last thursday godfrey himself on these television broadcast. Friday referred to the insta instead of crosswind and forced the plane toward the tower. The missing key witness in the walter reuther shooting named yesterday as a defendant in the strange tangled case was given by thousands of two hundred twenty thousand dollar reward money. It was disclose last night. The united auto workers union which ruth their heads said paid the money. To donald richie. Why after he had told authorities the story implicating for men in the attempted assassination. The four have been charged with assault with intent to kill and with conspiracy douglas meter the editor publisher of the matador. Texas tribune mayor of matador and correspondent of the lubbock. Avalanche journal is no mandate. Let his right hand his slept ten. Know what stewing dispatched to the lubbock. Newspaper meter said. Matador would elect a mayor in two alderman in april and added mayor. Douglas meter who is completing his third term has declined to say whether he again will be a candidate. Those some of the day's top news stories. As reported in the newspapers of tuesday january twelfth nineteen fifty four on your radio. Dragnet continues now on classic radio theater. Did you have any other steady boyfriend. Anyone that she saw quite a bit of maybe one boy. He was quite a bit older than mona. She saw a lot of him. The last couple of weeks know who he was. No i never met him. I only saw him one describing force. No i'm afraid i can't. He drove by from owner one night when he pick her up for a date. Pract out in front and honk the horn. I went to the front door to tell him to come in. Mona wasn't ready yet but he wouldn't just sat out there and waited. I didn't get a good look at him. Could you describe the car for us not good. It was one of those foreign cars of convertible. I think it might have been a jaguar. I'm not sure about that dome. Which wasn't an american automobile. Yes i'm sure that that. How about the color guard. Can you tell us that was honestly dark out there. I'm not sure. I'd rather not say If i can't be sure you understand that. I wouldn't want to tell you something and then have it turned out to be wrong. You can understand that. can't you smell for. Did you seem on this morning. Yes we do is she. All right i think so yes. Aren't you sure our we talked to the doctor. They were doing everything they could. They seem to think that she gonna be alright. Thank god it's so hard. Needs to friday to know that your child is sick that she tried to kill herself. Wanna go tour and not be able to. It's so hard trying to an easy to cameras. And if you'll just give the names of the girl that she might know we'll be on our way for you. Thank you excuse me shirley yes it is yes. They're here in just a moment to. I'll get junk. I get those names. Greenspan did you don't ever refer to this man in the foreign car by name. No i don't think she did. All i know that whenever she went out with him it was the big data the bunch. How often did she seem andy. A couple of times a week might have been more no way of knowing what she was doing kept pretty much to herself and she met him but i could tell he was the big thing in life he was it. Yeah yes excuse me this. Finish this list. Thank you. -cause jack's myers at the office gesture motor general hospital. She had a relapse. They don't think she's going to live. You are listening to dragnet the authentic story of your police force in action january twelfth nineteen fifty four dragnet on this tuesday edition of classic radio theater free time. And you're sitting at home. And you ponder what kind of gifts divi for someone patriotdepot dot com. Has you covered from puzzles games novelty. 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That'll be coming up on our wednesday edition of the program but right now. Let's wrap up this edition of classic radio theater with the conclusion of dragnet from sixty seven years ago january twelfth nineteen fifty four. We obtain the name of the drive in restaurant where the girl was employed. We also got the names of the girls that she worked with in the address of her boyfriend. richard verdict. Mrs fenton also gave us a list of names of persons who might be able to aid us in the investigation under further questioning. Mother was still unable to furnish with a motive for daughters attempt to take her own life apparent lack of a motive or any type of suicide note coupled with the bruise on the girls. Kim made the likelihood of foul play more than possible. Twelve fifty seven pm. We left defenseman home and drove over to the driving. We stopped on the way and put them a call the office. There's still hadn't been any report of the handyman at the hotel. The only person who could give us a description of the man registered at the place where the feminine girl when we got to the drive in we asked about peggy greeks and one of the girls on the list. After a few minutes. The girl came over to our car. You wanna see me. You peggy greeks and we'd like to ask some questions about motorcycle. Police officers like talk to you. Gotta get it okay with the manager. I'm on duty now. Lunchtime pretty busy. I gotta get it. okay. I'll take care of fund. I'll check with the manager john. Reid isn't gonna take long. I got a couple of customers waiting for orders. My partner will take care of it. Manage no worries me into the tips. They're gonna leave. make what i do. The tips are important. Yes but it's about mon- anyway for the cops after here for what. She tried to kill herself this morning. Mona maybe help us there. Miami i have nothing to do with roy. Understand you're pretty friendly with it. Sure is a friend of mine. But i don't want anything about no suicide anything about it and i don't wanna you only reason. She might try to take her own life. Not a reason in the world not mona. She was under a doctor's care for any reason. You know. I mean. I don't know anything about it. Never said a word. Why well that's what we're trying to find out. Can you think of any enemy. She had anybody wanna hurt. Half is is going to go planning me. I mean there's going to hear about this. And now what. He got worse. And i'll give you this free. Anything happened to monet. You go talk to dick verdict. Talk to him. He'll be able to tell you why you say that because it's true. No other reason is a real bum. You asked me. I think there's something wrong with them. You know in the head. Would you have any reason to say that. Other reason in the world girls all the time coming around. Giving trouble all the time. Taylor and i always gonna kill her on anybody comes nearer berg said that were spent half a dozen times was one week ago. I want to tell me. She told him off him get lost swanee part of them leave her alone. He made a big scene. Told me on monday. This is terry drove in here. One of those flashy foreign cars jaguar. I think sell ya go ahead. One day drove into place martyrdom. Guess he liked money. Kept coming back always parking her station. Anyway this birdie kids on out about it wasn't any to worry about. But he made a big thing about tony. She was supposed to stop seeing. Terry says she didn't. He was going to cause trouble what he was going to do. I think he was kidding. I don't think he really managed just a kid. I don't think he meant it would be saying we found them together again. We talked to the other girls the drive from them. We got the same story about the scenes that richard burdett created. We got more information about the threats that he made against the girl tearing hamilton. From one of the girls we got the address of hamilton to forty five pm. We'll have to drive in and drove over to the address of the girl's boyfriend. Richard burton we talked to the lady. She told us that. The verdict boy had regular habits. If betas right on time and never had any visitors. She told us that he wasn't in his room at that time but she said that she'd let us in in her company. We went upstairs. She unlocked the door and franken. I went in on check. The bedroom monte. Yeah nothing out there. Aren't you looks like we're a little late. My clothes on we check the room. Further every indication was that richard had left the apartment in a hurry. We talked to the lady again. She can give us no reason for his disappearance. She gave us the name of his employer put in a call to them but they told us that verdict failed shop for work that day. Four fifteen pm. We put on a call to the hotel on grant avenue but the handyman still haven't returned and they've been no word from him. We went back to the office and check the name. Richard verdict through our and i but we found no criminal record for anybody answering his description but out of local on him at four thirty nine. Pm we got a call from general hospital telling us fenton girl had regained consciousness that we could talk to her franken. I left the office and travel code to out to the hospital. The doctor on duty told us that the girl was out of danger but she was very weak. He asked us not to get her excited and he let us into a room. He has who you police officers. I can't you leave me alone. Go away just a couple of questions to you. I wanna talk to anybody. Why why inch leave things the way they were widely me alone. Not a lot of people worried reason for it. Be better all the way around of things that happened the way i planned them. And you did try to kill yourself. Yes who he in that hotel room. Mr mars was terry was always terry was gonna marry me then. He didn't said he wouldn't he. Didn't that way you did what you did. Yes us not use narcotics was. Terry's i did too. I think that's all he wanted with me. Just to get me hooked. So i'd have to do what he said. I think that was the reason how about this. Richard verdict what about him. Do you have anything to do with you deciding to take your own life ways. Because the steak i ever made was leaving richard. I thought it was smart. Real smart. I was gonna show him terry. Said he'd marry me said he was in love with me cox. Yeah yup. i wasn't so bad. I loved him really. I did then when i had to have the six. Says he changed. Go me couldn't give it to you anymore. I was going to have to pay for it. And i tried to tell him to tell him that i loved him but i wanted to be with him. Why went to the hotel to talk it over. Try to come to an understanding some kind of understanding. He said that he didn't want to have anything to do with me. They wanted no part of me anymore. Said that. I was going to have to pay for the from now on. I didn't have any way to pay for it. He said wasn't any his business. Yes also stupid. Also stupid the whole thing. I had a real good all the way around. And then i went ahead and ruined everything it all down. Even if i killed myself would've been no answer. The right answer anyway. I know that we'll all right. Can you tell us where you can find this. Terry you bet i can. I want to see him. Feel like i do. I want him to know new. It's like would you be willing to meet with him. Make a by of narcotics force. You name the time. I'll be there. I'll be there if i have to crawl right now. Thank you so pretty tired. Just see my mother. She real mad at me. no. I don't think she would you caller ask her. Come and see me. tell her. i'm sorry. I wanna see her. Glad to hear that loop. So i got so much to taylor. Her and richard tell them both all muslim. We'll get in touch with her. And you tell me when you want me to call. Terry you telling me terrible thing is. What's that terry. He's been around a long time. Must be other girls in the same fix all because him girls who have a bad habit and have to do what he says. Girls like meet terrible. Nobody knows how many instagram. Where's it and when you meet him star you have just heard is true. The names which aims to protect the innocent on march tenth trial was held in department ninety eight superior court of the state of california in unfold. The county of los angeles terry norris. Hamilton was tried and convicted. A violation of the state narcotics act. Felony one come received sentence as prescribed by law violation of the state not act of felony punishable by imprisonment and the state penitentiary for a period of from one to five years. Mona irene fenton plead guilty to the same charge and was placed on probation for a period of three years with a provision that gb placed under the care of competent psychiatrist and and Just dragnet a series of authentic cases from official files. Technical advice comes from the office of chief of police w h parker los angeles police department technical advisers captain. Jack donahoe sergeant body wins sergeant. Advance racer tonight. Where ben alexander. Big rodman. Virginia gregg gene tatum script by john robinson. Music by walter schulman hell speaking dragnet from sixty seven years ago january twelfth nineteen fifty four on classic radio theater. Got a real nice note from john down in plano texas who. I'm sure is listening to us on news. Talk sports and he tells us that he really enjoyed the classic. Christmas radio broadcasts the best stuff on radio. Thanks for doing it again. Merry christmas all the best in twenty twenty one. 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Why it cox lures and lionel barrymore as dr kildare and dr gillespie the story of doctor kildare from january twelfth nineteen fifty one dr gillespie's testimonials in story of doctor kildare whatsoever house. I enter their will go for the benefit of the sick and whatsoever things i see or hear concerning the like men i will keep silence there on counting such things to be held as sacred trust. I will exercise my ox. Only for the cure might be story of doctor. Kildare starring lionel barrymore metro-goldwyn-mayer wrought you those famous motion pictures now. This exciting heartwarming series. Heard on radio. The story of doctor. Kildare starring lou airs as dr kildare and lionel barrymore as dr gillespie plan general hospital. One of the great citadels american medicine clump of gray white buildings planted deep in the heart of new york nerve center of medical progress for skilled hands and great minds. Wage man's ever lasting battle against death last general hospital or life begins or life in my life. Goes on sweetie where. Everything's all right now on my day has begun been working for But not living. Thank you sir. What have you got there angel seven case histories offer you with the comments of the chief diagnostician. Lsp son of a gun. What's he doing about the same number for himself. Story did picked out the interesting cases and sent me the calls. I've seen him operate before after all these year. Why no. I'm not kidding. Why with thirty five years staff service as of next week and being a greatest diagnostician. He ought to have all the privileges. Till yes i think. The board of regents lies awake nights worrying for ferial retire. Karua has nightmares about it. Do you think you'll be surprised by the testimonial dinner friday night. Doubt if anything would really surprised. Dr gillespie but as far as i know he hasn't heard about it anyway unless parkas founder. I know i like parker. But she suchy bassett everything she hears goes right through a head out her mouth with no pause for station identification. And that's why she hasn't been told oh. Of course everything else behind man surprised but i think that in a friday night will do it. Glaspie i don't have the faintest notion of what you're talking about all kind founded by of course you know you know everything that goes on around his hospital. Whether it's any of your business room wouldn't have a chance of getting past those flapping years you not to mention that long. Snoopy new i ve asked you a simple question and you're just a simple minded more on the give me a symbol told you three times already. I have not heard any rumors about jan. If you won't tell me what kind of rumors then you can all right all right all right now. Room is that the board is planning to retire me next week retired so loud and do one that depth squeak carulli behind. But they can't do that. I am six years over age. Of course they but they wouldn't let the last thing in the world they you know come to think of it. They might. That bothered stopped grooming. You think for a minute you're going to get out from under the month. I'm why say helps me. Good morning to kill their lesbian. I want to pick up my medical kit. I have seven new ward patients this morning jimmy. You didn't know it'd be yes. Yes yes yes you got me. Have you happen to hear and the interesting rumors around the hospital. This morning rumors. No can't say that. I had no wild fantastic stories. Nothing out of the ordinary dole move same old stuff. Well better get on with my around. The weight acting espy. Have you made any plans for friday. Evening friday no matter fact. I haven't why board of regents is calling a special meeting special days. I thought we might attend together with lie. Will you know. I never go to board meetings. Jimmy idea. good idea to go to this one now starts at eight o'clock incidentally special meeting. I don't suppose you have any idea what it's all about. No i guess we'll find out when we get there. Were right back to gillespie that's what they're gonna do it. Thrown on the scrapheap cast aside like an old on a bottle. Well i guess they realized that you aren't getting any younger. I never felt better in my life. Why cannot diagnose any other three doctors in hospital by the chinese to them. dr berman. Please come to surgery once. dr berman. Come to school. what doctor he'll do. That could speak to moment. What can i do for you. Well i know you will. Glenn always been very close. And i wanted to ask you something about him. Really mean well. I've wondered whether you've noticed anything about his actions. During the last two days that might be considered. The shall we be frank for. Let's do it then. We'll say his actions have been odd eccentric quite i suppose that's frank enough. As a matter of fact. I've been too busy to pay much attention where i can show you build that. His manner is very well quite for one thing. He's going to work now at seven thirty in the morning. What why hasn't started off as always before nine nine thirty for years. I tell you there's dear becomes as i was saying we're planning to paint south wing like mold and the moon. Anthony kuru use sleepyhead. Tried to find both eight o'clock this morning but it wasn't a soul stirring except me rail. Eight o'clock is a little early. Dr lesbian lee. Why already done a full day's work inherit is only lunchtime. Which is a good suggestion by the way. How about joining me. Ra jimmy sorry. I just grab a quick sandwich in the news. The time to work off makes this energy excess energy. I had him. I tell you that. Secret a pound of rare steak at six thirty in the morning walked as nothing like it after an hours brisk walk. You're doing that go. Yes you following my our dear. Don't even talk about called our early in the morning. I got more energy physical and mental than twenty years ago. It's time back ramon's oranges. I'm ready anytime you layman today. I'm going to beat the pants off. Yeah well you didn't do so hot. Yesterday feet kept slipping. I went out this morning on. Bought some bowling shoe holing shoes. Is that how you're spending lunch. Jimmy man keeps dream. You know they come on wayman. She made a boy's boy. Oh dear oh dear dear dear beginning to see what you meant to grow. I don't know what it's all about but it is interesting picked up the morning or you may hear five new cases for you loopy lightest check in and a long time world. That were seventeen altogether. Where i'm handling the other twelve myself. I see good morning. Ms berhe morning. I didn't mean to ignore you right back. Because i say i've noticed how busy you've been this week. Merely evidence of a well known medical fact young leading a man. My age frequently gets a second wind. An he's good for twenty years more work watching. You can believe it. Got tom brady. Oh how wonderful girl jimmy. Why if i would ten years younger hand. That's the way i e low. Well something. I've been meaning to take up with you know if i were your doctor. I'd i'd advise you slow down a little. Take it easy ridiculous. i never felt barrel. Come now sooner or later. Everyone reaches an age when he has to retire retire from participating in some of the more strenuous activities that a younger person might not since ab. I've heard you give the same advice to many elderly patients anyway. Let's leave it for the present. We can talk about it this evening at the special board. Meaning lord meeting Still planning to have it then show why not resume utah. Jimmy no reason at all. Why shouldn't they have. That's the way they view. I know exactly how you feel glaspie. I'm very sorry for you. But after all what can i do about it. You're just as ungrateful. Is that border regions. Here i've nearly killed myself all week long trying to show him. I'm fitna something beside retirement. But they care they don't care still going to hold their confounded meeting tonight. Sit there and gloat. While i'm drummed off the style. Yes it's all so dramatic just just like pokka confounded. If i were flat on a back dying you'd stand there and say it was just like the What's the matter now. If they thought i was ill dying maybe they might call thing course they look why did they wouldn't have the heart to retire. A man who is only one step from. Hello dr kildare was one new matter with you. True the jimmy or anywhere dot ru lungs liver. We gotta get you to bed and check you on suddenly jimmy serious some afraid. Sorry about the border regions tonight. Yes let karuna. Then we'll get to work on you. See what you can do for what i can do for you phony this kildare dr karoo doctor. Gillespie has just been taken. Ill get something for you dr. Gillespie oh what a lousy and how serious it is. I thought you'd wanna know regarded the meeting tonight. Said me lie in chad on gear of find after crew. I think that'll work out very well. All right goodbye. Daycare that the gimme. I'm sorry about to me. That's all right. They're calling it all. They shouldn't have done that. Jimmy all right. You see karoo postponing it. Until next tuesday we returned. The story of doctor kildare in just a moment all new january twelfth nineteen fifty one. The story of doctor kildare continues in three minutes on classic radio theater. Here's some great news if you missed the deadline to sign up for health insurance or more importantly if you sign up for a plan that you're just not happy with you still have choice. It's called meta share and medishare's a christian healthcare sharing program. 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Kildare starring lou airs as dr kildare and lionel barrymore as dr gillespie jenkins case jenkins. Oh yes yes. See exploratory and formation of external billy airy fistula scheduled for surgery tomorrow morning general preemptive condition good prognosis favourable. That's the last minute. I hate report. Jimmy what the prognosis for us. very favourable. He's had excellent. that's better. has anyone ever told you that. You're very lovely. Oh yes nearly. All the interns. So that's what's been going on behind my back daily every hour on the hour. Well let's get to cease yes. Jimmy drastic measures seemed to be in order yesterday. And i only know of one sure to put a stop to it. Yes good morning to come in guru. thank you though. 'cause i had in so you are. I guess i'd better take these reports. The office dr air. What was your opinion again on that last place. Prognosis terrific. I can't say i've ever heard that expression before. Prognosis terrific. you know not likely to again. Dr grew anything i can do for you. Frankly i'm very concerned about dr. Glenn always feeling much better today. I couldn't find anything wrong with him. In fact i think he probably strains muscles with all this athletic activity he's gone in for and that's precisely what i'm concerned about dr one way. I wonder if it might be a good idea for dr gillespie to retire. Uh tire now that he mentioned the same subject himself. A few days ago really seemed highly opposed to the idea but that might be just a cover up covered up. I don't follow where he's talked about retiring for years. You know. i've never taken him seriously. Maybe he no. He really wants to retire but feels he has a duty to the hospital so they developed a lot of non medical interests lately. Well if that's true we could make the testimony of dinner a retirement dinner as much as i'd hate Malang talk to him and try to find out suddenly. Of course all right. I wonder how you just sit tight. Keep your gardenia watered. I'll let you know. Of course i feel right. It was nothing really wrong with me in the first place except will touch of overwork will certainly not no no no. I am perfectly capable of turning out as much work as i have accordingly and maybe it was a combination too much. Bowling brisk walks cold showers rare steak ridiculous. I was merely conducting an experiment. Jimmy i see. Tactical sb have. You thought much lately about retire by the great owns. No you have a strong loyalty to blan- after all your reputation as a diagnostician has made this hospital. You don't owe your whole life to it you to jimmy. I guess you feel the same way as the others that i've sipped into my dotage. Ready for the scrapping. How old it is. And i don't see that retirement automatically means melody Perhaps it is time you started thinking of yourself for a look what happened last week. You overdid it for a few days and wound up in bed. You're just not as young as you were once a ton asian so that's their reasoning that more confounded backfired the vultures time about i should have stayed with the first aga- last stop shouting my that. You're a convalescent phone the garage and have women come right up wayman. Well what do you want him is none of your business. Get out of here. Oh snoopy still little fight. Neil man jimmy so hopefully. I'll show me yet. Who want plans. Experiments backfires a little more of this. And i'll be as eccentric as you walk do. I'm sorry doctor glaspie. But i simply don't get along. Well i guess. I'm not so steel parker. You idiot took. I shouldn't have changed plans. I think i'd almost convinced him that. I still possess the full vigor. Lurton of you well. You didn't convince me home. What do you know about you. I think one last desperate measures may do the job. Well it must be desperate if you plan to use wayman for it. 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I don't know if i wanna get mixed up and nothing like that. one. I mean is you. Don't mind telling a lie. There's money in it. Oh well why didn't you say so. I think we understand each gag proposition. Doc doc album me if i didn't need you misery. Politics and retirements makes strange bedfellows. Women have a cigar simply. What's keeping him dr there. We really ought to leave and few minutes. Now all you'll be along dr crew. He knows he's supposed to meet me here in your office since he thinks it's just a board meeting nothing else. He may not even bother to try to keep stressing the importance of the meeting without tipping off that. It's actually a dinner in his honor. I'm sure he'll be here no well in view of his erratic behavior of the past week. I wouldn't be surprised at anything he might do has acted strangely. I can't quite understand what gentlemen good evening. Good evening omits burner looking charming. That's much too lovely gown for a board meeting. Thank you dr glaspie. Sorry to be a couple of minutes later boys. But i didn't bother with the elevator. I walked up here. Walked twelve floor matter of constitution wine. Improve your age you know. Well let's go on into the boardroom. I was a matter of fact the meetings being held over at fontaine's restaurant. Dr glaspie taxi down restaurant by the time asian. That's the last straw. I had no idea. I'd have to face this humiliation in the public. Play you talking. I am a tired old man crew. And i can go on with the act go ahead then me out. Kick me in the deep. Don't ask me to be present while you're doing. He's finally gone off his rocker. All right tactica rule. I guess we better call off the surprise. Gillespie this isn't a board meeting a testimonial dinner to celebrate your thirty five years with blair hospital why you mean. I'm not being retired. I hope not for many years. Of course we have wondered about some of your actions. Recently closely exaggerated crew. Nothing at all those rumors. You heard rumors. But i did actually see some things myself. Mission interpreted cruel you merely a little experiment. The mine where the board members will be happy to hear that things had got back to some of them. I mean i'm ready. The payoff ten bucks getaway. Women a bother me. I sure never would've thought you could do it. Do what women now. Jimmy doesn't documents been polling every day and he's been taking me regular rose to forty to fifty then. I'm no chance so up here. Race way mandate laps ran a garage. Unroll escape doctor says not than go at kourou. He's a pathological liar. A beat me by sex lap. Wayman get out of here up. Put you center short. Sure doc i mean yet another backfire. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what either of you is talking about. What any of you talking you know when you come right down to it neither do we come on. Let's go to the potty inclusion ladies and gentlemen i wished jewish yo you again of my appreciation within you said the sentiment expressed and do the distinguished members of the board for their fine gift delivers and some good watch. Thank you distinguish nincompoops article last week. They you know immediately following. We ought to be favored. I another number from the string quartet. Cold waspish looking chandler. Thirty five years of my life spent here and all they can come through with cheap gold plated and watch with an engine on now now now. It's the sentiment that counts. You know you'll love it right jimmy. Maybe certainly deserve doctor. Gillespie this hospital could never repay what you've done for your generosity is only exceeded by your beauty and maybe you have grown twenty years younger. Jimmy new. This last week has been she and murder. You know something sweetie. We could stand up. Walk out five steps. Open that door and we'd be out on the terrace uh-huh and we closed the door. And jimmy ny donovan. Oh let's go find up just heard the story of doctor kildare starring and lionel barrymore. This program was written by les crutchfield and directed by william p russo. Original music was composed and conducted by walter shuman. Supporting cast included. Virginia gregg. ted. Osborne georgia ellis. And ed max. Dick joy speaking and that's from january twelfth nineteen fifty one the story of doctor kildare will head to wistful vista in three minutes when classic radio theatre continues. And what's going on in the fibber. Mcgee and molly household. Are you tired of high cable. Tv rates sign up for dish today and get a five hundred dollar bonus offer while supplies lasts plus lock in your price for two years. Guaranteed call all american dish. Your dish authorized retailer now. Eight hundred six one zero five seven three nine eight hundred six one zero five seven three nine. 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Coffee table january twelfth nineteen fifty-six boever gi and molly again. We invite you to listen to the fan sky. Adventures of february mcgee and molly show is written by bill leslie and directed by max hutto. Mrs mcgee attended a rummage sale. Yesterday came on with a big coffee table for living room. The table is so big in fact that just won't fit in her home at all. She's discussing the problem with her husband right now so we'll just leave it out there on the front porch to liking. Get rid of it. That's all good. It's a swell table i've just wasn't saddam gone. I guess you could play polo on that thing. You know what well. I didn't realize how big it was till i got it in this living room last night. My shins still hurts from banging into it. Only banged at once. I busted my leg on that. Mahogany shins skinner. Every time i turned around. Well mabelle tubes with me when i bought it. You know and she'd love to have it. I'll call her again. When her line is busy she can have more. Come and get it. We got a good coffee table. Any al-qaeda what's the matter with that dinky little thing there. I'm just part of it mcgee. It isn't big enough for anything and we got it in. The first place is a premium. You know for saving teak coupons or something save coupons. Kill i got that little table for selling twelve dozen jars of poison ivy sat back in peoria in one week. That's right i'd forgotten. What would have made mcchord either by heading. Talk the school superintendent into having the big homecoming picnic near out of dickerson's grove specify you buy in the county. Well i'll try again and see this. Come in my doctor. Gambled come in lancelot. What are you doing without your ether mask. Aren't you afraid you'll suffocate. Just breathe in plain pure air. Anyone who has survived those feelings. You call cigars. Iron lungs doesn't have to worry about stuff occasion true. Hey what's the big table on the front porch molly if little stoop is planning to paint numbers on it and open dice game. Don't let them know it's a coffee table. I martha junior league rummage sale. Yesterday dr turns out. It's just too big for this living room. It was originally a big dining room table at somebody had cut down. The only thing is they. Cut it down the wrong way. It should have cut it down the middle and made two out of it which they could have done with youtube pets. He'll come to think of it getting. I don't start couldn't help it. What's new with you. Dr pretty busy these days about normal molly. So far today for instance. I've seen six people with colds. A lady with the hangnail a boy with a cast on his arm and a fellow who's head is turned to putty. no kidding. the guy's head turned into party. Who you you are a car. Ask you spend as much time practicing medicine as you do practicing insults. I bet you could set the doctor. Business back forty years. Look quite you water down. Milton berle throwing those dow dow barbs at each other. I'll phone mabel tubes again. Yeah you keep after her kittle. Let's get rid of that. Half acre hardwood with legs and open the front porch again. Hey are you going downtown when you leave here duckie. Hey wanna ride down. I have to make a stop at fred crops house. That's all old fred's wife called and asked me to stop by and take a look at the baby again. Jeez a new baby. What's the matter with him. Dot sake no always fine. Just that wonderful baby. They like to show him to people. Read says cost them five dollars a look to show him to me. House calls house. Doctor you are a true humanitarian with a heart of what she say. Molly you get mabel. What she say delighted to get the coffee table in the first place. If i hadn't bought it boy just socio take it in the second place. That's all i ask. When's more coming after right away. Now mark won't be home until dinnertime. I told her you deliver it. I hope oh oh okay. It's a deal anything to get that thing out of our life a little bitter. I'm not only bitter fatso. i'm crippled. It took me half last night. And a dozen nasty shin bruises just to get that table out of our living room. Get clear out of our life by taking over to tooks his. I'll be happy to. I'll be happy to. You can drop me in the table off to his house. And then i'll write on downtown deduct. Okay me well I guess there's room in my car. Oh sure there is lots of room in your car. I'll get my hat and overcoat. Onomichi out in front of the tables on the front porch their stuff in your car and by the time you get it. I'll be ready to go. Oh i wish he'd come on home. I don't know whether to call the ups club. Cremers drugstore aim. I'm old you hear. Yes i've been watching for you. Why the back door turned down the economy lift home up. The what's new. You talk to mabel. She happy with the table. I put it in our living room. I know It seems mark came home in the middle of the afternoon open. The front door walked into the living room just about fractured his shin on the table. Just like i did terrible. Mabel hurt him yelling and ran in the living room. She said martin was line spread out across the top of that table like a bearskin rug. Alloy that by the way. Maybe we didn't have any change so she says she will pay for the table when she sees you six bucks. What it costs you isn't it. Yes but don't worry about that up. Come on in here living what you got in the living room. Oh no watch that data table doing back in our on. no. I feel the same way. I tried to get more to leave it on the front porch. But before i could stop all that rhett. I'll never sell more soups anything again. As long as i live well now. What well frankly. I don't know it's nice table just to throw it away. It'd be wonderful for somebody with a big enough room. Maybe here's a pigeon. Keep your fingers crossed. come in. oh let's turn out send lasting less boy command. Come in watch the beautiful big table. There must have missed mcgee. I just say that's a that is quite a table. You got a coffee table That's what it is last. Beauty ended solid mahogany. Less by. golly it sure is a big win. Alright kind of looks like somebody abandoning table and drove it in the floor He said yesterday didn't get a laugh then either. So you like this table how would you like to have it boy for your house will Sure i'd love to have a nice big table blake sold. That is if we had any place to put it but our living room is loaded sally. She went downtown yesterday. To be rummage sale junior league heaven laudatory him. I heard about it well series. She brought home a couple of tables lamps. A love seat the whole lot of junk. She said they had to bet everything down there. But now we got just about everything in our house Sounds like you're in trouble. And we are lester will sally. She went back down there again today. But i don't think they'll have. What i asked you to get for me or asked to get a nice cheap leaving room but forty foot square. That's what we need at our house. Now tell her to get to because hey wait a minute. I wasn't going anywhere did you say sally's back. At the rummage sale. Now you mean it's still going on. I thought it was just yesterday on now. This is a big super duper thing. Last saw week. Oh why do i think that before. Yeah that's what we'll do at this table molly. We'll donate it back to the rummaging course. That's a six bucks. But the heck with that they can have that. Give me a hand with will help me get it out to my car. We'll i'll be glad to help you with it. if you'd miss mcgill. Promise me stop if you see sally down there. Ms mcgee had this table till she leaves radio if she brings home whether they won't be room in the house for me. It's a deal as rab on an open. The door william Rummage sale here. We come. this is heavy. Let's let's sit down a minute while you okay. I'll be so glad to get rid of coffee table. I what if they don't wanna what if they won't take it reviews it. Maybe they won't let us even now now now now now. Don't get penny. it'll calm down. They'll take it big beautiful table like this. It took part in they. Somebody gave it to them when they sold it to us. They'll take they'll take even if they don't all we gotta do. Act real casualty. We say okay. We'll take it back home. We pick it up. Walk about three feet. And then when i say now we both drop it and run like crazy. You run for the back door and run for the front that way they can chase both of us and we'll meet at the car and something. I can help you people with crony of the league. And if there's anything we can show you actually mrs crony. We have something here that we'd like to donate to your worthy. Cause it's the you brought it back at the glenville table. The big cut down table is back again. Girls will be delighted. She she means they'll take it. Let's go oh we do appreciate this. You nice people. This table has been. Our biggest. moneymaker moneymaker. It's sort of a tradition with our annual sale since mrs gladwin donated to first rummage sale in nineteen forty one. This table has been sold exact sixty seven times and it always comes back certainly is a big one isn't it yes and so i think come on. Let's go home living room. Looks kinda kinda camp tonight with what that table gone on it. Yes yes it does a wonderful in it. Yes it is so long. Everybody tomorrow by doctor gamble is played by arthur q bryan nelson by robert eastern. Mr coveney was played by team banderban. There's john wall for now now january twelfth nineteen fifty-six fibber mcgee and molly on classic radio theatre america's protestants catholics and jews are strengthening the bombs of brotherhood and friendship by helping the needy overseas through their houses of worship. 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Nine thousand nine hundred fifty eight the episode entitled second son around dodge city and in the territory on west. There's just one way to handle the killers of spoilers and that's where the us marshall and the smell of gunsmoke William conrad story of the files that move west where young america and the story of a man who moved with it. I'm that man matt dillon. The united states marshal the first man. They look for the last thing. What a meet. It's a chance a job that makes them an watchful. Little lonely sure would like to turn off here and go down that stream and catch me a fish make you. Don't even the fish of sense to lie low under noon sun like this just a cat and i just wouldn't be lying low with them long bank. They're under a tree Short it'd be stretched out under a tree. Then the ends chiggers maybe a rattlesnake or just a minute here as as soon as you got rid of them. They're probably blow up a storm now. I think you're better off right and right back into town with me. Maybe right at that. I don't guess. I really feel like eating fish today anyway. Look on her there. Ain't that somebody walking up ahead of it. Looks like it on earth would a body be walking on a day like this probably has no choice. Well everybody around here ride the whole her. He has been right one that he's carrying a saddle and i can see that. But what do you suppose. We'll be up with him in a minute. I would want come right out gentle hello. Hello costa's matt dillon justified. Foot let us style away yeah. Us marshall dodge city marshal awkard tonight. My horse rather warm walking. Yeah just wondering about las immuno. Lost him in this open. Let the manta. Yes you're been cod game on. Not very good. You bet your horse. All i had at the moment. Kimberly data through my set talking now. It means he's out of china played. That's correct but You didn't lose your saddle. I know that's the only one. I found to give me any comfort in your automatic instead of writing. I feel. I must keep it as a good idea to gauge. You got another horse. So i mean to win him back. That's one reason. I'm hitting the dog city. Would you lose your horse to jump name feet knudsen. We came up together. Driving cattle from texas. Go gradually one everything. I had lost ninety one loss though. I news to mean man and poker game. He's a mean man. If he runs me and i might not be so determined to win back my horse mackerel. See that at least we can give you a lift into town. The climate behind me. You're taking saddle. Just sporting audio repay was time. And i just don't try too hard to repay beat noticing somewhat an affair of honor. You know you better off just to think of it as a poker game unle- lonner out of it were then you want something more interesting like maybe another piece of pie. Oh thanks doc. There's a little more coffee behind. All all i had plenty plenty of that car stirs fella to think of what was. That's what's made it with him. Well dog kind of a man and have a name. Mike said you league cars there. And then i don't trust him at all now. A man can help his name just you. Chances are in england. A name like sedgley carstairs every but his communist Chester proud foot is over here. Product name so. But i tell you you talk so fancier just plain always not trying to talk fancy. Just that's just the way bridges talk. He was born in england. Well lets you do an hour here then. I didn't eat a home where folks could understanding all now is spec easier for about the same reason the rest of us are we to make a living now doc. I don't believe nobody talked. Like he doesn't know how to make a living. These each word on how to keep a hard shea new. I've run into a couple of these foes before and what they call second sins. Second son was that well. It's the second son born british family. You see usually wealthy family sometimes even titled time you lean lords and dukes queens and all settings in kirby carstairs fell might be rich year. Can't be sure in england. It's the first sons get every document. Then lords and newton steph. Don't give their second boys now. Sometimes not and less. Maybe they send him south a couple of times a year to keep them from hanging around the estate raising a fuss you mean. They brought their boys to stay away. It's been done sometimes. It was talking sons tonight to become ornery. Once they find out that they're not going to get their share the family lou and very dry. You can't blame them for that. Say doc you reckon. This carstairs village getting paid to stay away. Can't tell justin and something to think about them. Give me a beer osama marshall. You go not kidding. Matt allen thank you gonna talk to me does gonna look around the room. Oh sorry looking at. Somebody is over that table. Crowd standing You figure i'd be interested in carstairs interested in here. He's the willingness poker player. They dodged since the santa fe railroad gangs on loser. Dealer keeps on the plan. I wonder where it gets his money. Say all they have to do is walk into the bank and he comes out with all the money one could be. Gossiping is down two bedroom as horse. Today's ao exactly worried. Today is as a likable fellow. Hate to see and losing all his money. I wonder why he wants to learn to play. Good enough poker's can sit on another game with beat. Knudsen he wants. don't wanna horseback. You can't blame them for that. If newton has about the money they'll be a lot more involved in gangs. Hello marshall this bad mighty. Pleasant traps him sean. I don't why shouldn't they be pleasant. I understand you're supporting. I am losing a good deal of money. That's true not learning martial. I'm learning gme marshawn. You must know the back. This morning said no mushroom. Mr botkin was there and the bank was business. But you're joking. That money said wild as it. Lose it as fast as i get it and said i'd like to talk to you about my martial. Nothing shady about it. I'm not worried about that. I just think maybe you ought to be more careful. Careful has talk all over town that you're a rich man for somebody is free and easy with money as you are. It could be dangerous and you have nobody in the world. I'm certainly not a rich man. Maybe you ought to quit acting like one. It's just at my latest bank. Job was raging for me. Evan got time thank draft. Yes from london up near remittance. Check twice a yelm to Keep me safely on the side of the ocean. It'll be gone him. Well as your business. Just make sure that you don't lose more than your money. Thank you for your entrance markle. Now if you'll excuse me sea lettuce yeah. What isn't just we newsmen. His crowd just got in from abilene. They went right into dodge house. How many there's four of them all together funding thing milk that they tied up five horses. One without a saddle. heats really revenue anything. No well if said didn't have no better sense. No lose his horse in the first place. Ones that back us has also be rides right out of town january twelfth thousand nine hundred fifty eight gun on classic radio theater. Here's some great news if you missed the deadline to sign up for health insurance or more importantly if you sign up for a plan that you're just not happy with you still have a choice. It's called meta share and medishare's a christian healthcare sharing program. It's been around for twenty five years. They have more than four hundred thousand members now around the country and get this over the years medishare members of shared more than two billion dollars of each other's medical bills. So they could help share your needs to in best of all. You could save a lot of money with meta share. 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You've been winning edge win money. Not hardly but no matter. What he's rich is mean. You didn't know they didn't have no money on the way up from texas. will it. just come it. Come from london england to the bank. We goes and gets them every day. Here taylor got another big wad. You know what you're talking about way. Anybody who tip well maybe i will just mosey down there and play a little poker. After all got to give the man a chance to win back his own sure no sudden. Oh marshall heading for the long branch. i didn't know i had to report to you. Don't hear a lot of stories but gone around donaldson. I just want trouble. You gotta log ins playing poker the way you play more. Should i just wanna give them manage. Ask the winners. Horseback listen noticing. I've told that if he's smart he'll try to win hearts and then quit telling the same thing to you. Well thank you more but just figure out how to take. My chances without any help has not start anything. No no of course not much as something done right cuter going on around here. Well that english fella. He won back his horse from meat. Knudsen dead Looks like carstairs luggage. Finally change all beat. Stood pat on a pair of sixes. Now you know he never done that before. And his life They let carstairs wins. But that's not all all off the liberty stable nugent and his crowd to get the horse frimley as you please news nadje and they were getting old. Said all liquor it up. Well i well. It don't make sense but they still there. That's what i didn't get mad. They they rolled off town. Come on chester sick. Maybe we better follow him me You recognise road. The haze sitting all they had it off this way towards some cover dawn. I'm gonna play a hunch as deserted shack just over the rise kitchen. I figured stop the place they come gonna gamble him. Bothered a gamble. We'll see the horses here. it is right. Listen chester yuki law and you go up to the window on the left side. There's i think you can make it trying to make it all right. Got around to the front. When i get to the door you cover me through the one that all right. You're right come on all right. Chester notion drop a gun due to be marshall gun. Chester have against the wall will fly moore may have got me more but you're too late for that fancy talker. Some guy stairs easing the gully back. Dead dead is. I'm gonna be your fool. That's not how to do is keep on playing poker where they meet a lost everything he had. You didn't need killing more. Sure you wanna laugh something funny. And all that money they talked about it was all spent. He just had three dollars three dollars. Yellen man's life should be worth more than three dollars a lot. More guns produced and directed by norman. Macdonnell stars william conrad as about dylan. Us marshal featured in the cast were parley baer as chester our mcnair dock and georgia elliott. 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Years to lead johnny valor story. Todd matter this was originally broadcast january twelfth nineteen fifty six from hollywood. it's time now. Fourth wilmington delaware as calling. You go ahead please. Johnny do on free. What's happening there. Your expenses are running away up and we haven't gotten a report from you haven't busy. That's supposed to mean that. The tip i got was good and it was bad. Yes gloria tyranny. One-two-three one east fifty seventh street had a mink coat was stolen from the hottest state. No she didn't tell me much about it. Because you got yourself. Shot down the street last night yes. I'm working with the police here. Trying to find out how she comes by the coach. I listen an hour ago. I went out to see an ex husband of hers bill powers and he seems to be the bird. We're looking for you know what he did. He cried and blood all the way down to the morgue and he's in there right now making a positive identification. I don't blame him for crying. So what's new or expensive counseling real manager today. Shula him by tonight. And every weekday night. Bob bailey in the transcribed adventures of the man with the action packed. Expense account america's fabulous freelance insurance investigator. Yours truly johnny dollar expense accounts of it. If i special investigator johnny dollar to four state insurance company wilmington delaware. The following is an accounting of expenditure is during my investigation of the todd matter. Expense account item. Eight twenty cents aspirin. I bought them in a drugstore across the street from the more i figure i needed them on the way down the police car. The ex husband of gloria tyranny gave us a very little information about our activities up until the time of day after he made the identification. We all walked across the street. Expense account item nine thirty cents three cups of coffee. Sergeant bill powers myself. Power is quite a while straightened out somewhat. I hope you get whoever. Whoever did this terrible thing. So i hope you'll get him. Real fast is your went to mr powers. Why would anybody do that to gloria. Why maybe you can help us answer that help. You can mr parlance oh you. You're just interested in coach. Who was wearing mr. I don't believe she was wearing stolen. Code what do you think of that. I think that's a pretty fair way to think right now. But it's not very practical since we already have proof that it is a stolen for that she was wearing. I want some more coffee. That's code or no. We're just trying for the facts of the matter. Mr powers i saw gloria tyranny. Person she was. We have to start somewhere. You can understand that. I suppose you told us you saw last week for heads right. Have you been seeing a right along. Yeah even though you're divorced a year or so ago. Yeah did you know she's been going with someone else to yeah bill. Yeah bill chambers that his name bill chambers. I don't know him but she talked about mullah here. They look at this picture him. I thought you you're sure this is sure. The picture was in her apartment. I've seen it there one day. I asked her who you wasn't. Glory told me about it. What did she tell you about him. Just said she was going out when she told me that he asked her to marry. She said he had a lot of money and everything else. I don't know that you haven't mentioned where he works. Know what kind of work does you know where we can get in touch with. No no. I don't know that either. I can't help. I only know she's been gone out. Get this you and her were divorced but you kept on seeing her new boyfriend and she told you things like that. Yeah on my bus. Stop all this kid's stuff. I suppose spat over. Listen i don't know what exactly anyway we're going to straighten it out and we were going to be married again. Oh what about this bill chambers. No she didn't wanna marry him. Wanna marry me against you told me one day before yesterday. She said she said she would marry know. She's dead you know what kind of car chambers drives of old was a cadillac hoti and all that so. She told me about his car. Another thing. I went out and bought one myself just like his thought. It might do me some good. Were we were crazy. Where where were you last night home and you prove it. Oh yeah on night. I was home while she was out. Getting yourself killed him the name william chambers was checked through the new york police files twenty four persons more or less fit the general description of the suspect. It took two days for sergeant and his men to track down all the leads. Mrs stromberg or bill powers could identify any of them and all points bulletin was issued describing the suspect in his car. Same results nothing on the third day. The pawnshop detail turned up to items. That had been taken. The todd burglary jenny watching ring todd loss to watching ring with a lot of other stuff as members in the watch. Check out the rings and great. Yeah why were. They picked up shop on third street. The proprietor bought yesterday a man of signed the by book. The name james agenda phony. Yeah even address on polk street. I was phony to. We've got a good description from the proprietor chambers. Right down the line then. He was still in town yesterday yesterday. Yeah this desperate cheat for a long time. If he's had any experience at all he knew he was taking a chance to unload it probably trying to raise money to get out of town. What i was thinking keeps on trying to raise money and unload all these things have all loot back. Keeps un's ryan. We'll keep on trying johnny. We're gonna get this baby. I can make where okay. He does need money. They found his car used car lot up in the bronx. He sold at ten o'clock this morning at used car lot. We learned that. A man answering the description of william chambers had driven in that morning and offered a black fifty five cadillac for sale. Use kyle manager at finally settled on a price and made out a check a reported. The chambers seemed extremely nervous anxious to make a quick deal. The car was impounded and examined a full set of fingerprints on the steering wheel and dashboard. Gave us a positive identification. On william chambers. What do you know. William charles william. Kyle's william charles. While cameron one two three seven. Aliases real name. William child male caucasian aged thirty. Three one seventy eight six one. Let's see fourteen arrests convictions. Both car thefts boy. Well they got a real tag on him. Known shouldn't be long before he pick him up as look like a killer does he. Johnny i know what the killer supposed to look like a search for william charles continued associates and relatives listed in criminal file contacted and questioned all denied knowledge of his whereabouts. The meantime two more pieces of stolen property connected with todd burglary where recovered with a pawnshop expense account item ten three dollars one telegram to four state insurance in wilmington explaining our progress in the case enlisting the recovered items. Who's this i name. Do you wanna madan sure. I want it on a traps restaurant on forty second off broadway and you made me fifteen minutes. I'm in a gray suit. And stripy sitting alone. I'll watch you expense account item. Eleven seventy five cents cab fare for my hotel to schrafft's restaurant a small pretty brunette woman. Nice clothes was seated at a table all along. She looked more like a housewife on a shopping tour. Then someone who might be connected with a banded and killer sit down mr darn sure his reward posted for william charles there for that todd matter. That's right five thousand dollars. And i get it if i turn them over to the fleas. Not all of it. Half of it goes to an ex convict. Who took me off in the first place. Yes you don't seem very anxious to get him or anxious that's the way it is this other half of the five thousand spoken. I want to get something else straight. What happens to me. what do you mean. I've known he had a part in that todd matter for a long while. I haven't said anything that made me a party to it or something. I don't know this is going to get me in trouble. I to spend the money for lawyers to keep out of jail. I don't want any part of it. All right my company will cover that part now worse chart so fast but i have something in writing something that says your insurance company will pay me a reward and give me help. If i get in trouble. I'll talk to them. I'm thinking of the future. I'm going to have one once. This is over are you. Yes yes i am. How long will it take you to arrange this about an hour. I can do it by phone. i'll be fine. Who are you now. The child's his wife. Yes that's right. Twenty five hundred dollars not much for husband. He's not much of a husband was once then he had to give away a mink coat and spend time away from me. I see i doubt it. You people hardly ever see any we try and make the arrangements on each again and say two hours to are so. I gave her a fifty seconds. Start before. I left table when i got on the street. I was just in time to see her. Climb into a cab. I was trying to hail under follower when a black coupet to the curving in baby. Hey sit in charleston cabinet there. Yeah that's who. She said she was wants to sell. Your husband for the reward doesn't she. What's the delay. He wants to be. Sure she'll be handled right the money and all say. How did you get in on this. Very dirty trick baby everybody. My men questioned about child's mentioned. Your name where you were staying. What interesting insurance company adding this matter and somebody was bound to look you up especially mrs child so we've got an eye on you now. Where are we searching. Name was melva thaler before she married. Charles roll man had a pot of money back in minnesota. But she couldn't keep out of trouble and got herself disinherited. Money's always been a problem as everybody's problem not the way it is with her. You should see a record your offer half now the spoken for twenty five hundred dollars l. Charles is no good to her now sticks his head out. he'll get cotton so she might as well cash in that. She cannot nice people. That's well on-line she's leaving the cab down to the corner pardon you see her. She went into the apartment building. Let's go department johnny. Go right now. we're beats me just a minute. What went off a couple more to it. Must've been six inches from his all all Be another exciting episode. Our story of the todd matter tomorrow tomorrow. Well there are times when seventy five thousand dollars worth of steaming isn't worth a plug. Nickel join us. Won't you yours truly johnny dollar yours. 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Pershing more than seventy thousand accounts affiliated with and on after the capital riot there's also parlor which has just completely and totally gone dark largely as a result of monopolistic authority monopolistic powers wielded by tech giants like google apple and amazon. Did you see also the somebody's scraped gigabytes terabytes or whatever of data off the parlor one hundred and eighty terabytes. I think if i remember correctly but yeah because it's such a post from their users because it's just badly program. They weren't removing meta data from Videos and photo so when they were uploaded was still tagged with location. And it's just a complete mess out there and it's not getting any better a cumulus which is a you would need to describe. Humulus would say they are the number one or two. I forget where right now largest really would be their primary iheart media formerly known as clear channel and cumulus They're big we're on. Maybe two or three cumulus stations out there a whole lot of them but we are on some of their stations well. They've evidently told their talk. Radio hosts that. Hey you need to stop talking about this. Stop the steel nonsense or we're going to kill your show. Facebook is also now blocking post that used the term stop. The seal still is just insane. What is happening but the bulk of it is directed at parlor which is a alternative social media site that people were flocking to the trump election because of the intense since your ship that you find on facebook and twitter and youtube in all of these other places and that's gotten even worse over just the last week it has gotten significantly worse. Yes and it's going to get worse as biden and the controlling democrats who you know. Six months ago they were talking about how these companies with monopolistic power. Facebook has to be broken up their monopoly there anticompetitive but when they start using that power against their enemies unsurprisingly suddenly they don't have any objection to it right so critics of silicon valley censorship for years. Hurt the same refrain. This is coming to us from greenwald dot com tech platforms like facebook. Google and twitter are private corporations and can host van whoever they want. If you don't like what they're doing the situation is not to see. The solution is not to complain or to regulate them instead. Go create your own social media platform. I agree that operates the way that you think it should tedious you in saying that you have done that we can talk about that in a bit. Yeah so the founders of parlor heard that suggestion. They also tried in august of two thousand eighteen. They created a social media platform similar to twitter but which promised far greater privacy protections but they fell to deliver on including a refusal to aggregate user data in order to monetize them and so on over the last year parlor encountered immense success millions of people who objected to increasing repression of speech on the largest platforms or who had themselves been banned signed up for the new social media company as sister as silicon valley. Censorship radically escalated over the last several months including banning pre-election reporting by the new york post about the biden family denouncing and deleting multiple posts from the us president and then terminating his access altogether mass removal of right wing accounts many people migrated to parlor and it was catapulted to the number one spot on the list of most downloaded apps on the apple. Play store overall. It was the most downloaded social media app in two thousand and twenty so it looked as if they were successful. But today if you want to download sign up for or use parlor you will not be able to do so. That's because three silicon valley monopolies amazon. Google and apple abruptly united. They're not monopolise. Now this is glenn greenwald. Who's writing this. I don't know i guess so. I mean definitely. He's a great journalists I've got a lot of respect for glenn greenwald for those. That don't know he's the guy who broke the edward snowden story. He recently had to walk away from a company that he co founded Which is the name the spacing on it anyway. He not inquisitor but it starts with an eye and he co founded this company after he left the the guardian out in the uk and so he co founded this the idea of it being the sort of independent journalism thing and it was that for a while and then some board of directors Got in charge of the thing. And then they started running it as like a leftist talking peace Essentially running the founder out of his own company basically and so he walked from This other group and started his own blog on this particular website. So it's not his website but it is purportedly a site that allows bloggers to journalists or whatever to do their journalism and collect directly from their their viewers or their their readers in this case. So he's he's very well respected journalists. But i will quibble with calling these companies monopolies by definition. They're not very good. Apple compete with each other. Correct it's very common to call big companies monopolies because it sounds bad you know and then these are bad. You know companies doing a lot of bad things but they're ultimately not monopolise. They can be competed with. It's just harder than ever. Because they have this starting point. That is incredibly. You know the they've been at it for a long time right like the. They've got an advantage because they're established and it's never easy to go up against the king of the hill as the little guy right good point but they did become a monopoly when they abruptly united to remove parlor from the internet. Exactly at the moment when it became the most downloaded app in the country that would make them an oligopoly. I think would be the right term for that. I'll -opoly yeah. If we're looking for evidence to demonstrate that these tech behemoths are in fact monopolies that engage an anticompetitive behaviour in violation of antitrust laws will obliterate any attempt to compete with them at the marketplace. It would be difficult to imagine anything more compelling than how they just use their unconstrained power to utterly destroy a rising competitor. Now i don't think that parlor was actually a competitor to amazon google and apple. It was editor to twitter and facebook. Yeah you're right about that amazon. Google and apple are completely acting in a political manner and while some will claim that this is a leftist thing you know and it certainly is convenient to label it that because well that's the way it looks This a status thing and the whole idea here is oh parlors bad because somebody said something on parlor about what happened in washington. Dc at the capitol building last week therefore parlor assisted Indirectly in this you know attack against our democracy and the system and the and dc and you know the all these religious symbols right because the capital is essentially just the church of the state. It's one of their church buildings and some people came in there and they disrespected the church for them. And yeah i. I loved watching it even though i knew i mean i didn't watch it live but i saw some of the footage later even though i knew the these people weren't there because they were against the church. They're just against the priests that are in charge of the church at the at the moment. They want the church to stay. They want to be to have their priests in charge of the church. So ultimately it was a pointless endeavor although it still had the beneficial aspect of disrespecting at the very least this church as it stands and so because google and amazon and apple and these other companies that you know they don't have a political position per se but they are creatures of the state they do benefit largely in a lot of ways from the state amazon for instance is the web host for a ton of state agencies including the cia. That's not discouraging or alarming at all. So i mean there's there's literally an s load of federal agencies and i'm sure a large number of state once but i know for a fact federal's that higher amazon for their web services i mean beyond the how the. Us postal service will deliver mail on sundays. Now for amazon yeah. It doesn't get more clear that they're in bed together. Then that it's right and these companies all all lobby the state you know. They all try to get favors. I'm sure they're paying various different bribes to the state agencies. So they're in bed and they are not going to leave them without assistance. They're not so. This attack began on january. The eighth we're going to tell you all about this almost entirely united on parlor to just shut it down entirely. You can't pined parlor on the internet today. What are your thoughts on this censorship. Six zero three two eight three sixty one sixty. Give us a call. Tell us what you think that six zero three two eight three six one. Six zero divvy has been a pretty good investment for free talk live there ad campaign started in september twenty nineteen and from mid march to mid july. The values soared by ten times. It's not too late davies. 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If you're gonna use their exchange which is fine exchange by the way the volume over there is it's actually one of the bigger ones. It seems like you probably use a vpn. If you're in the us can you still what they accept payment from a u. f. You're on a vpn than they don't know where you are and the payment would come from like a us bank presumably. Yeah you wouldn't be able to send money from a bank okay. But if you had crypto you wanted to exchange you can do that okay awesome. So let's go to the phones. We've got truth seeker. Calling truth seeker. You're on free talk live. Yeah i just wanted to call and talk about the luther weapons. You've ever talked about the fact that they're A hoax or not. I've i've never heard that claim. Okay and i listened to a lot. And i follow over -tarian circles and i haven't really heard emails talking about it So yeah really. A nuclear weapons and nuclear fallout from nuclear meltdowns at Power plant is all just a hoax The easiest way to tell that it is a hoax is first of all. they've never been independently. Verified is all government's propaganda that there are nuclear weapons Been used go ahead. Fac your contention is that nuclear weapons. Do not exist. Correct a can. I clarify this question. I mean not. I'm not like a science expert or anything like that. Are you saying that atomic weapons are also a hoax or atomic weapons real nuclear weapons hoax nuclear weapons atomic so. You're saying what happened in hiroshima and nagasaki was a hoax correct. What what motivation would japan have had to play along with this hoax from the american government saving millions of lives and saving face. How did that say they were able to millions of lives to allow them to be blown up in two of the largest explosion. I'm sorry you're right. It wasn't the united states. Should pay millions of american life depended. They take that way they could save american lives. The japanese were ready to surrender before the americans. Drop those bombs okay. So why is there at nagasaki right. No scientific evidence over they did. There's no except for all the people who witnessed it and who had their families in their lives torn apart by large explosions. I'm not saying during weapons views. There weren't mom bombs. Oh minutes wait hold on just to clarify. What was it you sir. I just saying yeah there. There were bomb dropped on different atomic bomb. Oh okay so you are acknowledging. There's a tremendous amount of destruction and death brought to the japanese people by the united states. Go okay i was. I was worried for a moment. You were denying that that actually had happened. Okay no no. I'm not so sure. No you're definitely. Why would these soviet government have any motivation whatsoever to make themselves. And their technology. Look weak by perpetrating. This lie about chernobyl. i haven't looked into that. All i can say i mean i. Why would they do that. The sort of the ultimate example of a nuclear power meltdown. You say you know. They don't actually creation. They don't actually have radiation or whatever. My question to you is well. What about this largest nuclear meltdown. Or they must publicized in world history. You haven't looked into that. No no i i listen to. I'm just saying. I haven't the reason they would keep up. The hoke is because they want people to think they have nuclear weapon. Okay here's another question is their nuclear. Is there such a thing as nuclear power or is that also hoax. Yes there isn't there. Okay so i wonder if a nuclear meltdown. It releases some heat done. So you're saying at melt lead so it's definitely quote some he you're saying that if you were If there was a nuclear meltdown the next time. There's a nuclear meltdown. If for whatever reason you could actually get in there because obviously they're gonna lock down the area especially if it's a hoax right so they don't want anybody to get in and see it but if you could would walk right up to the radiator or the or the the towers or whatever it is the thing has say he'd walk to the elephant foot and you'd be everything's fine. You can walk. After a couple of weeks you would suffer. No ill ill interesting. Yeah i've never heard this claim before. What do you base. This claim is the earth. Flat is at one of these kinds of things. Alwa- everybody's not no. Okay let's go. I mean again now. You have to think you've never heard of this. Before first of all again like i was saying the right i they have never been independently. Verified that these nuclear weapons exist. Everything is propaganda from the government. There's no independent japanese people out there. Who would dispute that assertion that it wasn't independently verified as it killed them. Well he saying that wasn't an atomic bomb different from a nuclear weapon. I believe people who died later from radiation poisoning or the people who still having birth defects because of the radiation. There's a whole article written by gentleman online. That goes into all of that I haven't. I'm not an expert. That i can just spout off. What happened it's all documented. Has fakery and the photos and everything that was done You can just search for atomic bomb hoax and you can find out information online about it. survivors scientists. Go ahead so the survivors who talk about radiation poisoning and who in fact died from radiation poisoning or who you know produce. Children had birth defects their government agents. They're making it all up. The media made it up. The media made it. These people exist though. Well yeah but the thing is. There's no such thing as as as nuclear radiation possible that they i mean. 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Our international satellite channels at patriotic dot l. ran dot fm. That's patriot dot dot fm It's pretty talk live. Talk radio that you control six zero. Three two eight three sixty one sixty is the in line someone will twitch pointed out to me and i wish i had thought to ask him whether or not the previous caller believes that birds are real because birds aren't real dot com as a real website. And it's clearly a troll right now. You can get t shirts to stay birds. They're secretly government drones stuff like that but prior to that we were talking about parlor internet censorship things that we can actually have some sort of control over right because if you believe that there are no nuclear weapons as our last caller. Did well then all you can really with. That is try to convince people but what does that really do. Like what what would it change so good point even if he convinced us that nuclear weapons weren't real and that radiation was real. What so what does it matter where you go from there. So this attack. On parlor began on january the eighth when apple immelt parlor and gave them twenty four hours to prove that they had changed their moderation practices or they would face removal from the app store. The letter claimed we have received numerous complaints regarding objectionable content. In your parlor service accusations that the parlor app was used to plan coordinate and facilitate the illegal activities in washington. Dc that led to loss of life injuries and the destruction of property. I ended with this warning to ensure that there is no interruption of the availability of your app on the apple store please submit an update and the requested moderation improvement plan within twenty four hours of the date of this message. The twenty four hour letter was an obvious pretext purely portman. Performative removal was. A removal was inevitable. No matter what parlor did to begin with the letter was immediately leaked to buzzfeed which published it in full a parlor executive detailed the company's unsuccessful attempts to communicate with apple saying they basically ghosted us. Apple said they won't distribute apps that present dangerous and harmful content and they rejected the app from the store surprise surprise in october. Though going back a bit the house judiciary subcommittee on antitrust commercial. End administrative law issued a four hundred and twenty five page report that contained only the name of their ridiculous committee but in in there was also a little bit about amazon apple facebook and google possessing monopoly power and using that power anti competitively first for apple. They emphasized the company's control over iphones through its control of access to the app store. They then go into some numbers. About how much. Apple really controls regarding the iphone but shortly thereafter parlor learned that google without warning had also suspended from the play store severely limiting the ability of users to download parlor on android phones but with apple. The app store is the only way does your apps with google. You can't go to third party app stores if you know they they exist. And if you know or you can just get the case straight from the vendor meaning. The parlor were to published in. Maybe they did. I don't know. I don't follow what they do. But if they had published their app on their own website you could have just gone there and just downloaded it on your phone and then usually google pops up a warning saying hey. This isn't coming from an approved source. Meaning not from google and so then you have to change the setting to that and then you'll be allowed to install it when you try to download it again. That was how i installed sell for one one. It was no longer on the google. Play store i think is again now. It is now for the moment until they decide. They don't like cell phone one. Yeah it was precisely google's abusive its power to control its device that was at issue with the european commission deemed google llc as the dominant undertaking in the app stores for the android mobile operating system and to pay a fine but the day after a united apple and google acted against parlor amazon delivered. The fatal blow yea. The company founded and run by the world's richest man used virtually identical languages apple to inform parlor that its web hosting service was terminating parlors ability to have amazon hosted site because parlor cannot comply with our terms of service and posed a very real risks risk to public health. We plan to suspend parlors account effective sunday january the tenth at midnight because amazon is such a dominant force and web hosting parlor has thus far not found a hosting service for its platform which is why it has disappeared. Not only from app stores and phones but also from the internet. There's obviously somebody out there who will do this. Sort of hosting fair confident that agress hosting would probably take them on. I don't know who it is. I don't know how big address hosting can go. As far as parlour by no means is a small app right. It had a huge growth. And so you have to have some serious computing power out there to be able to handle something like that. That said gab is still in existence. you remember gab. i do but gab. sensors people sure. I'll chris cantwell went too. Far for gab. For instance and i suspect parlor would also sensor people which is why whenever you know whenever i hear people saying oh just go to this platform over here. Lee facebook can go to facebook and go to me we or may way or pronounce it or whatever these other ones are. It's like yeah sure that'll work for the next six months until everybody focuses their attention on that thing and then the owners start to feel the heat like like parlor did so like i was never excited about any of these other platforms out there. With the exception of mastodon which is the only one that has any real semblance of decentralisation to it right and even with with mastodon. It's not totally decentralized because you are still going to a server there sure somebody has a server interact somewhere and that can be targeted wherever it happens to be and the problem is it's not just going to be a problem with amazon. Amazon is big enough to to make a big splash when they make a decision about this. But there's a ton of smaller hosts out there all of which are organized under corporate bylaws every single one of them asked permission from the government to to exist. And i guarantee you without personally having looked at it myself but having seen enough terms of service over time guarantee you if look at their terms of service it'll say something about like you must follow all the laws that the government puts into place in order for you to hosted on this service and so all they have to do is just interpret that. Oh well you're in violation of this government law so therefore we can cancel your contract because we as a government approved corporation. Don't want to be associated with anybody who would be against the government so it's really just a matter of that particular case. Your only option is to go to the dark web is to cut out the web host entirely or the dark web has a web host. I mean most of the dark web sites are hosting on some web. How web host really. I assumed they were in house. No not necessarily in house. But i assume they were self hosted meeting on their own computer from their own house. Not necessarily they're not stupid enough to host dark dark net website on their. They're hiring somebody in every story i've ever seen of dark web take downs whether it be the silk road or whether it be the playpen whether we're talking about drugs or porn it's always some host somewhere now usually the host itself doesn't know it's being used for dark net purposes per se as i understand it okay Do they can monitor the ports or whatever and they can see that you know. Some of their clients are using dark net. I you know. I'm not enough of a network admin to be able to be one hundred percent about how obscured some of that stuff is and maybe there's some of them were just fine with it. They're like well. It's dark net. We don't know what it is so we're not gonna take action because we don't know what it is but if they're if it's brought to their attention somehow and we know that the federal government has been able to somehow demonize certain darkness websites. And we're still not sure for instance how they found the silk road servers. That information never came out in the trial it was. It was never talked about in in Russell trial so we still don't know the method as to how they figured it out but they've they've figured it out and they you know they've gone to those web hosts and they've said who owns this account and they found out on thursday parlor was the most popular app in the united states by monday and three of the four silicon valley monopolies united destroy it. That's scary yeah. It is how they think they can sue amazon over it. And i don't think it's going to work. I don't think parlor. Has the money to sue amazon. They hired somebody according to this is. Cbs news dot com. They have filed the suit. They have indeed. They're suing amazon after the technology company booted them. But there's a bit more to this Previous article before we jump into how they're reacting to this because you know liberals have always been against this facebook powerful apple stu powerful. They need to be broken up. They their monopoly like greenwald here but now when that power is being used against a service they don't like they have no objection to so ever indeed some of the companies praising facebook. Some of the people are get into it in a moment. It's free talk. Live congressman recently revealed legislation totaling twenty nine hundred pages involving more than one. Trillion dollars was available to members of congress for less than forty eight hours to study and consider that's over sixty pages of legislation per hour. You think anyone read the entire bill. I'm jim babka. 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Six zero is the number to do that with you tonight. It's aria is in and you've heard us talking about divvy here on free talk live. Maybe you wanted to set up one of their easy to deploy master nodes or state divvy so that you can begin. Earning hippy right. Now well he in here has actually set up a master node and he said it was super easy and that staking was even easier. We're not investment advisers here. But we think you'll be impressed with your earning potential with divvy compared to traditional investment vehicles going to divvy project dot org and get started. You can buy devious. Several exchanges or directly from the team. And if you need help. There's a link to their telegram channel right on the front page at divvy project dot org st iva project dot org and we've been talking about but before we get further into it and how the tech giants are conspiring together but uniting together to shutdown parlor. We have surf daddy calling from california surf. Daddy you're on free talk live. Hey guys how are you. Hey in what's on your mind you've been dedicated to freetalklive long time on my show. So yeah yeah so you know. I've been in on and off listener since i think. Twenty twelve cool up called the show number of times but You getting to the point where you're starting to worry about your you guys do there now. Why worry Well they're taking down a lot of people a lot of platforms. How would worrying help. Well well how would that help. Well of course you. You're concerned about something. Then you react to it before it happened. Oh you talking about being prepared. That's different than worrying about a thing if you worry about a thing than it just puts you into paralysis and frustration or fear or something like that so what you can do instead is to analyze the situation and determine what sort of you know actions you might wanna take to reduce the risk or reduce the you know the damage of a thing if it comes to pass so to that end You know we have been over the years doing some more. Decentralized things with free talk live but there's only so much we can do. I mean there's there's always going to be certain central points of failure for instance the so. We're on a satellite network. And if for instance the satellite network decide they wanna take us off the air. Well then you know we could buy another satellite channel But if the satellite provider wants to take off the air you know take just not even allow us to buy the channel. They could do that right so point. You're looking at having to build maintain and launch your own satellite into space. You wouldn't be able to do likely because there's only so many places from which you had the money to do it only so many launchpads exist in. I'm sure many of them have government controls in place so likely we would have to then go internet as far as our distribution which would essentially lose us almost every radio station that we have so. There's no way to truly insulate yourself in this world from these sorts of attacks. However there are things that you can do To do more decentralisation like we did recently with our matrix chat server which allow our listeners to chat with each other without the threat of some corporate big tech giant holding acts over their head. We started that back in september. Just what happened with discord discord matrix alternative to discord correct You know so. We were a little late to the game on that. I had known about matrix but previously. I wasn't impressed with with the client. Software it used to be called riot and now it's called. They made it much more user friendly in the last year so we actually did try. I realized this really long. Answer to your question so just bear with me here but We actually did test out matrix. Three years ago here in the keene area so like before i would ever put it on on the air or as part of the show we are just trying trying it as activists right just to see how it worked here and we got a little bit of interest in it and some people were regularly there and kind of trying it out and it was just the the software was way to secure for the average person to really be able to pick up and and utilize. It was always bugging you about security features in checking keys and it was a pain in the butt and so the new system. They've got the new software is called element and it's much easier to use. And so i finally finally wants disc gave me the reason to finally do all right. Let's put matrix in here and and we went within. It's been working great So that's a way for our listeners to chat we'd just today actually. I haven't even finished the blog post about it but it but it is online so i can now announce it We do have our own social media platform. Now it's called t. l. Social you can go to social dot freetalklive dot com. Go ahead now. I said wow. Yeah so it's a mastodon based platform And if listeners have been tuned in the last two years you've probably heard us talking about mastodon. We've been promoting mastodon as a decentralized alternative things like twitter and to some extent facebook even. It's it's basically a twitter clone up an account last night on what on mastodon which while i i mean mastodon i you know thousands of mastodon instances. So you'd have to know which instance you set the account up on. Yeah i'd have to look again. I just started getting into it. And so you signed up without knowing which instance you that probably means you went on. Their default mastodon instance. Which would mean you're under terms of service that are very restrictive by parison to let say the what. I'm calling the anti terms of service. I don't remember seeing a terms of service when i signed up for the free. Talk live social. There's a page there. And it's i think it's called terms of serve. Most people don't write their terms of service people. Don't pay attention to that stuff. But i actually titled ours the anti terms of service. Okay click this. I haven't edited the link. I don't know we'd have to go and like their html to find the actual links but when you get there it says anti terms of service basically like hey we don't we don't owe you anything and we don't know you any service so if you make this too hard for us to deal with we'll just get rid of you basically if you're causing a huge problem with with other listeners. But basically encouraging people use the block command. If there's someone there they don't like right like you don't have to pay attention to To those people but anyway checkout social dot freetalklive dot com mastodon so for listeners that are unfamiliar that means. It is federated so like the matrix chat. I was talking about earlier. I didn't talk about what the federation action was that there so matrix mastodon. These are all self hosted servers running on our server so it's centralized in that way in that if our server blows up then all of that's gone i would probably will have backup somewhere off site but but they are centralized in that way but they're all what's called federated which means that they are connected to all of the other or in theory all of the other matrix and or mastodons servers out there on our matrix server. Other people from other matrix servers can come into some of the rooms but there are other rooms are server only but some rooms can let anybody in from anywhere across the entire what they call federer's any of these other matrix servers thousands or however many of them there are out there saying things with mastodon with mastodon. Anyone can come in from any other server as long. you haven't broken the links to that server and so sort of default from what. I understand on mastodon. You can reach anywhere else in the fed verse unless that Else has said no. We don't want to hear from you right. So so if i post to limit on account will it reach the free talk. Live if i'm following you So my count on the free talk live Social social dot freetalklive dot com. I can follow you on liber don. I can follow if chris camp while we're on gab. But he got banned. I could follow. Chris cantwell on gab. Or i can follow some somebody on a socialist server. Whatever as long as there aren't disconnects between those servers okay. Yes so as long as you know the user's name or whatever and i think you might even be able to search to some extent. I'm not sure how far that that extends or how that works. Exactly not an expert at it yet. But if i know the name of a person on a mastodon server as long as we aren't as long as those servers don't specifically block one another then we can connect and i can follow those people. It's really cool technology surf. Daddy thank you so much for the call. It's a fascinating time to watch all of these decentralised. These go into play of course library is another which is a video hosting platform. It's supposedly supposed to have other things like books and stuff like that but yes in reality what it became was video hosting platform similar to youtube except the content is decentralized that uses a sort of torrent mechanism to distribute the actual content and the links to that. And there's a doe involved. Yes library credit. It's built on blockchain technology the links to the actual content are stored on the blockchain although the content itself isn't obviously because that would be prohibitively. Large yes there are awesome things. Happening will the content is stored across multiple devices though and deeply download it. Yeah yeah downloaded and then anyone that watches the right. Anyone that watches a video is by default as i understand it downloading and seeding that video. Yes unless they somehow choose to delete it later. I don't know. I'm i've used library but i'm not an expert at it and the nice thing about it is. You don't need to be in order for it to work for you so they'll give you free library credits so that you can actually utilize the platform just for installing the application and going through some viewing content and this is a crypto currency to whatever degree. So you are. You can train a sense making money just to consume content. Well that's actually one of the. I don't know if you get paid every time you watch a video. I don't think it works that way once a week or something. You can't pay to pay to watch videos. You can pay the creator of that video in these credits and it takes cuts out the middleman. There's no youtube sitting in the way saying. Well we'll just take seventy percent of that ad revenue instead. It all goes to the creator. It's very cool. And of course a lot of creators can put their content online for free on library at. That's what they wanna do. Six zero three two eight three sixty one sixty. It's free talk live. Divvy has been a pretty good investment for free talk live their ad campaign started in september twenty nineteen from mid march to mid july. The values soared by ten times. It's not too late davies. New wallet hasn't even released yet and other things are happening that i can't even say on the radio. If you want to invest in potentially do well go to divvy project dot org. 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Yeah i just noticed. I got one too and that is that just worth mentioning in canada. Have you heard about what's been going on there. This is less to do with covert and mortar. Total police state lock. It's becoming jaws see tv news which is as you probably know. Government arm of the equivalent of the bbc. Their canada breaking all law enforcement and provincial offenses officers including o p p. local police by law enforcement and province workplace inspectors will be able to issue tickets to anyone who doesn't comply with these stay at home order. They literally have there's video. I've seen of cars cop cars rolling through the streets in canada blaring their sirens in the middle of the night. Because now there's a curfew. And i don't know if it's nationwide or just provincial or whatever but there's a curfew in at least some of the provinces there in canada starts like whatever so they literally have. Police cars imagined medicine. The police cruiser rolling down your street as slow as possible. So i'm not just talking about them doing your normal policing where they flipped the lights on and then just drive down the street. Yeah this is going like five. Maybe ten miles an hour. Something like that. Like a slow as the car can basically go. The future enforced a curfew to remind people that the police are out there. That's the point of this. They're not looking for one person in particular. They just want everybody in the neighbor to know that they're there and they're and they're gonna get you. That's not related to covid. Nineteen i mean. That's just governments being tyrannical right. That's what was the excuse for was to implement this insane level of tyranny and it's getting more insane it is even though you know. Now there's a vaccine. I did have a story about that as well by ended up closing it as well because it's stupid but yeah it's all been an excuse whether or not covid nineteen israel whether or not it's killing people. It's immaterial to me. The the government is clearly exploiting the ever loving crap out of it and is corporations are linking arm and arm with the government and doing the everything that the government asks them to do this. Cdc's recommendations or shoving him down people's throats Take down you know people who question what they're being told take them off. Line canceled their websites. And that's what we've been talking about. What's interesting to note though. Is that a lot of the mom and pop places around here because our mini in king. Almost all of them are extremely strict in requiring mask out of their customers are they yes okay. However the corporate giants like cvs and walgreens walmart. We'll let you in without a mask but the interesting locally owned gas station. There won't where was this. This was right there at the roundabout near my house. The um i don't remember the name of the gas station. oh okay but there are several. Won't they give you a hard time. yeah yeah. That's why i haven't been back there. I was like okay. Go somewhere else and they actually warned me in advance. This was several months ago. Hey just so you know as of tomorrow you will have to have a mask to enter. Okay well did you say have a medical exemption. No i said okay thank you. Thanks for the heads up and i have been back. Well see i think people should try the magic words because these people are just afraid. I mean they're not most of them aren't doing it out of some sort of belief in cova necessarily mean some probably are but most of them are afraid of what the government gang is going to do or with their other customers will do to them. That's what they're afraid of and that's why. Cvs walmart aren't allowed to get away from for it. Get away with the other companies. If they if they hear you say the magic words than their response should be okay and they let you in now. They could choose otherwise they could say no no. You're still not welcome here. We to restaurant here in came was targeted by the city of kane repeatedly for not wearing masks. They never asked you know are. Are these people who are coming in without mass. Do they have a medical as they just said. Okay you're done. You have to close your carry out lobby. Yeah i mean they are. Are we talking about the the one that just closed down. Recently i hope not their seattle. No no we're talking about the restaurant. Oh yes oh okay. So what that comes down to is the government just trying to intimidate Businesses and it works right so the guy. You're talking about. I was just in there tonight with no mask on and had no issue. Yeah so i mean. There's there's no other make exceptions for some people. No matter what i mean. One of the convenience stores that i go to frequently has no must wear a mask no interceptions but every place i go has signs like that and they don't say anything to me but anything to me either. Yeah if they do say some. This is what happened to my tenant next door. He was over at algae which is a larger company. I mean they have. I don't know how many stores a lot. I guess i mean nationwide. At least maybe but they existed in the south and they exist new hampshire. That's nationwide. I'd never heard of them before the one but regardless my tent went in there and he actually a manager confronted him and said you know you need to wear a mask in here and he said well okay goodbye and turn around and left and he went back in there again another week and same thing happened and you know he told me about this and i said well did you try telling him you don't or that you have a medical condition. And he said no. I didn't i didn't know i could. I said oh yeah well. That's you know there's medical exemptions in all of these mandates that's what these people are waiting to hear like they. They feel like they have to do this because the government told them. They have to do this even though it's just a quote on quote guidance right a recommendation. Yeah well no. They say they call it an order but they also say it's guidance so the governor's giving an order of guidance which is very confusing and so businesses will always fa- air on the side of being overly cautious. Sure so. I said to this. I said this to him and he actually went in the same day that he got kicked out. And it's the same manager who has kicked him out so it wasn't like he was dealing with different people manager comes up to him again as he walks in with with no mask and says. Excuse me sir already talked. Then he says then. My tenants says well. I have a medical exemption. Managers said okay turnaround. Walked away so they're they're very obedient. Rather not go to those people though. I don't blame you but there's so many of them out there that it makes life more difficult like they they just want to be able to have the excuse so if somebody calls and the cops show up which the odds that are going to happen. That's going to happen while you're there very very slim. But then they'll be able to say. Oh well that person had a medical exemption well then they can't write the ticket so they're safe but these businesses don't want to get to that point right so the businesses like the guy. You're talking about the indian restaurant you know the cops come in there or the health inspector comes in there and says mom and you've gotta you gotta start enforcing these masks we've got we've been getting reports blah blah blah. They don't give them an actual written threat. No of course not. They don't want this on the record right. They're just there to intimidate. And it worked at least in the moment in you know he kinda closed down a little bit and then it could be reopened again and you can walk in. The door is not locked or anything like that. I just walk in. Yeah and he's never said anything to me about it. He's never said anything to you about it. So well we're regular customers. Matting them in business but the but that doesn't matter if they're worried about the fine than they're going to enforce it insa clearly he's not worried about it that much but worried about it somewhat. So there's this constant level of fear that the government is putting upon these people so give them the excuse. They need to allow you to shop in their store. They're not doing it. I don't think because it's personal. They're doing it because they're afraid now places that are doing it because they're afraid of covid nineteen more than they are the government though the hose down. Its lobby which it's ridiculous. 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I want to be prepared half all my cameras ready and then i got bored and went back to my night and of course nothing happened but they are coming for parlor. It would seem and parlor back at least in regard to amazon. They're now suing them. I did have it pulled up okay. This story from cbs news so parlor for listeners. That don't know. Is this sort of right wing. I guess alternative to social media. I don't know if it intended to be right wing but it's the right wing that are most heavily censored in the united states. The moment yeah. So they went to gap first and then they went to parlor now. Yeah and gab. This is sort of like a repeat of what happened with so cab. Get banned anywhere though. Yeah gab was taken down. I think it was the time. I don't think it was amazon that was hosting the make. It was like microsoft or something. There was some other big mega host. That was hosting gab. At the time and this was what two thousand sixteen or somewhere in that range. This was a few years ago. You know the writings been on the wall about this for some time here if it can happen to gab. It can happen to parlor and so on and so forth Gab had they're hosting taken down but they popped up somewhere else so parlor gab. Right now you are you okay. Well i'm not active on it. But i haven't accounting and i occasionally monitor it to see what was said. I also have an account on gab. And i had been posting to it. But then they took away their api access so Yeah and i meant to say that. It was the other night on the show. I was actually complimenting gab. For their mastodon instance. Which is you know. Success has been a very successful mastodon. It's the most popular mastodon on on the planet. Really from from what i understand. That may may not be true anymore but at least it was true within the last year so and in mastodon the actual the organization behind mastodon hates gap because the mastodon people are from france and germany. The bulk of their programmers. So they're a bunch of leftists and david. F gab is sort of a haven for nazis and alright people. Maybe i don't spend a whole lot of time on there. I did see. There was a libertarian group. So i mean maybe it's got some other people have some other people on there but predominantly When i think about gab. It's all up the nazis that are on it. Yeah i mean i i don't make judgments about platforms. Just because of who's using them per se. I mean if the owner of it is a nazi than i would have a problem but if the owner just you know created this thing and some nazis went there. Well that's that's another story and that's what happened with. Yeah ab- so criticizing the platform. I'm criticizing its user base. That's why i don't use. The platform is because of its user base. Yeah and i never went on parlor not because of its user base which is simply because it just no interest to me. It's another centralized platform. I know what happens to these things. The same thing happened with me. We or whatever however pronounced a couple of years ago everybody was. You gotta come to this so much better tied right off. I've heard people still talking about this year. I've heard you know. for instance. the white rose apparently has a may way channel But they still recommend telegram as their primary their primary source but anyway parlor his is repeating itself. Here's a few years later. Where now parlors. Been taken down by amazon amazon just abruptly gave him what twenty four hours notice or something like that and said well. You're done you violated our terms of service because it or something like that something along those lines. Yeah and they took him down so now parlor is suing amazon. After the company got booted amazon web services booted them out over the weekend and claimed that it was not confident in parlors ability to monitor content on its platform promoting or inciting violence amazon's quote decision to effectively terminate parlors account is apparently motivated by political. Animists is also apparently designed to reduce competition in the microblogging services market to the benefit of twitter said parlor in a complaint filed monday in seattle federal court. That violates antitrust law. the company claims now thick. Cook this up real fast. I mean the lawsuit. Yeah and as nebulous if they have some sort of evidence that amazon did this because they were protecting twitter from competition won't have that that would be stunning they. They're just asserting it. I imagine they accused amazon of using a double standard versus other platforms pointing out twitter. A signed a recent recently signed a multiyear web hosting deal with amazon so amazon twitter client apparently parlor is asking for a temporary restraining order blocking amazon from shutting down their account quote doing so is the equivalent of the plug on hospital patient on life support. It will kill parlors business at the very time. It is set to skyrocket said the company in its suit. However amazon responded saying quote there is no merit to these claims. Aws which is amazon web services provides technology and services to customers across the political spectrum and we respect parlors right to determine for itself what content it will allow however it's clear there is significant content on parlor that encourages and incites violence against others and that parlor is unable or unwilling to promptly identify and remove this content which is a violation of our terms of service. We made our concerns known to parlor over a number of weeks and during that time we saw a significant increase in this type of dangerous content not a decrease which led to our suspension of their services. Sunday evening said amazon. And i suspect that parlor will be thrown out of court that this case will be found to have absolutely no standing whatsoever That's typical what happens with cases usually the the other party fouls a motion to dismiss in in lot of cases that's granted the argument would be that parlor did have standing because they had a contract so if it does go to court i can see the court ruling in favor of amazon here because well i mean amazon has plenty of attorneys and these terms of service were written by those attorneys. You know so the unfortunately the attorneys know that these rules are and if the rules say you can't have violent content and they can show evidence that parlor had some and i mean there's undoubtedly going to be plenty of evidence for that right sure so they're going to be done for at that at that point parlor would be better off in my opinion going ahead and finding a new web host i. I don't know why they're not doing that. Maybe maybe they are. But i suppose spend the money on that instead of your attorneys. Yeah so it's looking bleak for parlor but it's looking bleak pretty much everywhere on the internet it is. This is pretty scary. Times for content freedom. Facebook has now started removing all content. That mentioned stop. The seal and twitter has also removed more than seventy thousand accounts spread. The on conspiracy theory is extensive. And it's only going to get worse from here. They took down ron. Paul then apologized later apparently to facebook. 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Fcc friendly six zero three two eight three six one. Six zero as long as you're not james from arizona but he isn't sure ship not worth talking about. I know emails you every day. So you've got him on the brain but He's not worth talking us. Nonsense city six three two hundred six. It's every day that i'm on the show. So evidently he's not just sitting around thinking about me on dates other days which is kind of relief. Yeah but other places will gladly sensor people evidently cumulus media. And you know way more about this than i do. And i'm sure you have. The story pulled up there dealing talk show hosts to stop this election fraud nonsense. Or we're going to pull the plug on your show. Yeah i got to say. I've been in the business for well. My whole life adult life at least in the radio business. And i've never heard of anything like this happening before. So it seems like the largest radio company if not second largest radio company is getting on board with the if not d platforming but controlling what. They're talk show hosts say i mean radio talk hosts and the companies that back them for many years always touted freedom of speech. I mean when we go to the tucker's seminar or the the convention that they have every year talkers. Is the the industry publication of note in the talk radio business breath away for twenty plus years. When we would go to these seminars they would have the freedom of speech. Award and now obviously talkers. I think still supports freedom of speech. But you know every one of these companies including cumulus. They're sitting there in that room. You know their executives clapping along with the freedom of speech award as though they actually support it but now when the pressure is on it seems like it's a different story. I don't know enough about the industry to have known all of that. But it's it's alarming to me. That cumulus would try to play this card. In an era where terrestrial radio is on the downtrend. You know a lot of these talk. Show hosts have left radio in order to just make money on the internet because i turned out to make more money there. Some have some have. Just talk radio whether they're making more money or not trump but they certainly are better able to control their content. If they're doing their own thing on the internet they get to make choices about when to do their show from where to do their show. There's nobody that they have to report to anymore. So doing your own podcast. Certainly has its benefits. It seems almost self destructive. The more i think about it because semi at a time when facebook has censoring these presumably these talk show host went. Twitter's doing it when youtube is doing. It terrestrial radio could be their safe havens like you know all these other places and it. Could you talk here. You can't talk there and it could help talk. Radio thrive again. But no they're cumulus is one of these tech giants just like apple and google and they're afraid of the government. I wouldn't even call them a tech giant therein old media company. Okay so you know. An old media giant yeah. These old media companies are actually notoriously. Not so techy. Meaning that it's not to say they don't. They don't have a website or whatever their their sites have a website but they're all the same website they use a template basically and the graphics are a little different here and there. You know if it's a music station. Obviously it's going to look different. You're going to see music performers on the front page instead of news from from the area so i mean there are some differences. But it's clear that they're all like using the exact same template so it's pretty. It's pretty bland pretty corporate and they've got it together enough with tech to be able to get their their signal on the air right like i'm not saying there completely clueless using old tech as well right almost none of these Radio stations or are receiving signals over the internet. Right when you say receiving sick oh you mean like receiving feeds via their shows or whatever a yeah most of them through the satellite system. Which again has its own technical thing. I'm just saying they're not. They're not big tech right like the they're just they're old dogs. These are the dinosaurs in. And they're they are. You're right they are going out of business. I mean it's cumulus for instance is recovering from bankruptcy as is clear channel formerly clear channel. Now iheartmedia both of these two of the largest companies the two largest companies in the united states have both been through bankruptcy proceedings within the last two years. I think and are still trying to like you know. Come out on the other side of that and sad. Then that they've had this bone throw to them and they could use it to to rebuild themselves. Look this is a free place. You can talk about anything you want. Come do our programs. We don't censor our hosts. That's what somebody who is like thinking would do you know you're an up and comer aria. These people are establishment so they didn't get to where they are by doing anything but following the rules and the reason for that is because the radio business is incredibly regulated by the fcc determines everything about what these companies deliver die by. And so if they don't do at the fcc says they're out of business and so it's a very very small business. There's only however many couple thousand to eight thousand. I don't know there's several thousand radio stations in the united states. I think like you know. A thousand of them are talk stations right. So there's probably thousands more of these music stations out there but These companies were given a benefit in the nineteen nineties when they were allowed to buy up a handful of stations. There used to be limits on the number of stations that companies could could which obviously there's some antitrust nonsense. I mean there should be no. Se right right and but instead of getting rid of the fcc the fcc has changed the rules so that corporate mega companies could become even more mega than than ever before and so. These companies bought up a ton of stations that from these mom and pop operators they called that consolidation back in the day and this was in the nineteen ninety s and since then they've consolidated their staffs they've cut positions. They've even before twenty twenty. There were already major staffing cuts. That have been going on for the last twenty years. At various times throughout the business just slashing jobs slashing you know everything they could possibly slash because they've got a ton of debt that they can't pay off essentially and so it's just an absolute nightmare but the way these companies look at things is like well we're protected we've got the fcc on our side and they have this attitude of there won't protect them from going out of business no and that's the thing and it will protect them from the internet and that's what's that's really what's coming in and nibbling away at their their mind share with people you know they still have an incredible incumbency. They've been around for a long time. People have the habit those of us who are not millennials xeni hills You know they don't have the habit like say. Genetics does where we grew up turning on the radio in the car. You know that's going away now and it is because content is almost all on-demand now right and if i wanna watch a show i go on hulu or something. I watched that show whenever i want. It's not being broadcast to me at a certain time where certain and the same is true with music by one of the music. I just go and spotify. Play exactly what i want to hear. I'm not waiting some dj to play the song that i want to hear. So you're not the only one with that opinion and especially as you deal with younger people. They're more likely to hold that opinion. And the radio companies. They know this but they don't do much about it. I'm not sure there's anything they can do about it. Well that is the difficulty of being an old giant. Is that know things worked the way they worked for a long time. And you want him to keep working that way. But things don't always work out the way you know that you intend for them to and change is inevitable. And if they can't roll with those changes whether it be the radio companies figuring out some other way to distribute their product. That's you know relevant to young people today or whether it be newspaper companies figuring out a way to make a buck online These these are old. Media has a real tough time migrating from the king of the hill incumbency to being a competitor with thousands and thousands of decentralized options on the internet. basically they're just rolling on the incumbency saying well we got two thousand two thousand radio stations. Cumulus will do whatever we want. Because we've got a license and even though that's not going to be a recipe for success in the long run it's going to keep them alive for the next decade. That's true and so now they've chosen to use that that presence that being the largest media company radio and having all of these radio stations to tell their talk show hosts. Hey you can't talk about this anymore. Yeah and i've got the actual Will not the whole memo. But i've got excerpts here in this business insider piece from what they actually said to. Their employees should be good. Yeah in other news that we're going to get into later. I company idaho has shut off the ability of people and i s p to access facebook and twitter because people just kept calling and complaining about those websites. What are your thoughts on this censorship. what can we do about it. Six zero three two eight three six one six zero. I've been told no in many different ways. You can do that here around here. Actually say hey. Excuse state mildness today this is now in a minute. Thank god understand. What am i being for. being served her here crafts. Have a funny telling people's no shame. Derek jays victimless crime spree. Watch it for free and ordered the director's cut. Dvd at victimless crime. Spree dot com want to accept bitcoin at your online store. There's a good chance you already have what you need. A wordpress using commerce and queen address. 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Talk radio that you control six zero three two eight three sixty one sixty s the if you wanna talk about whatever's on your mind or if you want to talk about censorship that we've been talking about now we're not owned by cumulus so we can talk about election fraud and stop the steel all we want and they really can't do anything about it other than kick us off the radio stations. They happen to own. They could do that not that we are necessarily of that viewpoint. Are you offering. All elections are fraudulent. Yeah this one was no more or less fraudulent than any other any right. So i mean we're not stop to steal people per se. But i did go to some stop. The steel protests. But that was just because i wanted to give them some flyers about secession the network that was just outreach. Yeah but that said i mean. We are definitely of an anti-state viewpoint here on free talk live so i mean it's certainly possible that some company or another could get a stick up there but us at some point. It's just that we're here and there but it was always a smaller radius. Yeah it has happened here or there. The most recent one would have been last year when we lost our station in janesville wisconsin for not going along with the government line so we weren't regarding covid nine copa so because we weren't telling the government's line Therefore we were taken off the air and the program director even told me at the time that he likes libertarians. He likes you know a lot of our viewpoints but because of the times he needed to take us off the air. And i made sure that everything. Everything's unprecedented. Yeah everything was all the programming was in line with the cdc in what the government wanted and so actually actually happened to call that guy. Today i didn't get him on the line though unfortunate but yeah we're not changing our positions. We're gonna change what we're talking about just some corporate off. I'll go off the air. I mean if that's what if that's what it comes to. I think the reason why we've not been really faced without on any sort of meaningful levels because we're just not that big of a show. I mean you know we're when rush limbaugh said something about secession. It made it to the front page of drudge report. It was being reported everywhere in know. Rush limbaugh talked about secession. That was the the new story then. Two days later rush limbaugh's lord auto idled supports session. And we do. He made excuses for it. We've been talking about it for years here and no one's ever written a piece of health the fact that freetalklive cares about that particular issue. So we're basically day even though we're on one hundred eighty five plus radio stations. We're still kind of off the radar. We're not a big show by any means and if we ever did get large enough and we may very well face some of these these same challenges. But i think we're yeah i would too. I'm just explaining why that hasn't happened. And given the very anti-state positions that this show takes we haven't been targeted by the liberals or the conservatives for take downs per se in any sort meaningful fashion these which is not that influential so cumulus cumulus a big corporation. They have told their their company. The westwood one. That's their satellite system. But it's also their syndicator. So where rush limbaugh syndicated by premiere radio networks. That's owned by heart media. A bunch of other hosts are syndicated by westwood one which is owned by cumulus so westwood one did put the word out to their employees disaccord to business insider in a memo written by cumulus vice president of content. Brian phillips he told employees that quote we need to help induce national calm now. According to the washington post reports continued to say that cumulus and its syndication arm. Westwood one quote will not tolerate any suggestion that the election has not ended. The election has been resolved and there are no alternative Acceptable pats unquote any transgression from. I would say that sensible i mean. I don't support the telling their talk. Show host what they can and can't talk about the supposed our contracts so presumably they do have the legal authority to do that but the election is certainly over at the very least whether you think it was fraudulent or not. It is at the very least over. So that's fine. Yes indeed and whatever. Your opinion is about the election. Joe biden is going to walk into office on january twentieth. He's going to swear the oath they're going to have a socially distance ceremony where there's probably going to be no one in the audience. There's to have a nice little church service and honor of their new pope. Exactly and i was hoping to find the actual memo from cumulus but i have not actually pulled that up at this point but it's part of sweeping measures that companies across the country are taking in response to the riots so called at the capitol. Are you talking about the memo behind the pay wall. Okay right wing social site parlors. We mentioned gone dark after amazon. Booted it mark. Levin is among the right wing talk show host on cumulus media who has touted unfounded fraudulent election. Claims on tuesday's show ahead of the certification of biden's election levine said quote do you think the framers of the constitution and the framers of the twelfth amendment sat there and said you know that congress has no choice but to count the electors even if there's fraud that's my impression of amis shrill said i never heard him yeah. He's competitor. actually okay. Yeah we've actually been doing this show longer. I think than he's been doing. We're not crazy though. Well depends who you ask on another episode following the deadly storming of the capital of in condemned the violence he went on to say that he and the other seventy four million trump voters are not part of a violent group and he questioned who caused the violence. Even though evans showed trump supporters carrying out the capital riots cumulus has local programming through four hundred sixteen owned and operated stations across eighty-six markets. Along with eight thousand affiliated stations through westwood one according to its website. Wow they only have four hundred and sixteen stations left. They may not be the number one radio owner anymore. Because i'm pretty sure that used to have like two thousand so they've obviously sold a lot of them. Returning to this remark from levin i also condemn the violence. But i can't help but notice the contrast between what he said and what we said about it. We were hoping that they would burn down the capitol building. I you know would have warmed my heart. If they had i wouldn't advocates specifically something like that this to happen but if it did happen. I can't say i'd feel bad about not feel great about it so i just wanted to call attention to that contrast yeah cumulus. I am curious to see who the number one station owner is. These days and for business insider say cumulus has local programming through those stations. And that's not entirely accurate. A lot of these companies. They barely even have like one guy running three radio stations anymore. Like there's hardly anyone left monday programming directors. I mean here the staff at the stations. I mean it's they. Prior to two thousand and twenty. They were already down to skeleton crews in some markets where was like one program directors running four radio stations. That can't be good for their mental health. In the old days like way back two or three decades ago they would have one program director for each radio station. The job of the program director is to listen to the station to make sure there's not some stuff going on the air right like you don't want to have things going wrong if dead air you need to know about it. The program director needs to hear what the jocks are saying on the music station to know if they're getting things right or wrong or whatever right like you to pay attention. You can't do that to four radio stations at once. You just can't do it so there. They've asked these humans to take on additional responsibilities on top of responsibilities and then in two thousand twenty they went and they axed half the remaining people that were left in. It was already been whittled down for the last two decades. So radio is in even worse shape now than ever before because like with the newspapers last year and television advertisers dried up right. You know why are you going to advertise to people. That won't even leave their homes or or in. Some places can't legally leave their homes. Now this is why amazon stocks exploded. Sure yeah absolutely. He can't leave their homes but they know where to go to look for stuff. Amazon has all of these neat little algorithms. That will target stuff that they're probably going to be interested in without having to use these generic radio ads that i don't want to hear about ad for laundry detergent. What does that matter to me once. Good as the other. I've heard from more than one station. Because against my job to call radio stations during the daytime to pitch them on free talk live. I've heard from more than one station. That advertising dollars are down significantly that it's hard to get existing advertisers to. Let's say they had a contract that they were in in february of last year and then cove it. Hit all these lockdowns happen. How are you going to get the advertiser that was paying you monthly for ads to pay in april. You know they don't have money anymore. there's no there's no customers coming through the door. How are they gonna pay for. I mean even if they wanted to pay for the ads in many cases they could it. So these stations are out all of that revenue and so they had to slash jobs as a result of that so now they have barely anybody working at these stations. Barely any money coming through the door. I think i mean. I don't want to be the bearer bad news here or a negative nasty but just looking at the economics of the situation. Twenty twenty one not going to be a good year for radio station surviving into increasing podcasts presence then or at increasing video presence because those at least don't require that advertising revenue and if they do then you know amazon is happy to put the bill on twitch because they know that it will ultimately come back to them with happy customers who buy whatever six. Oh three two eight three six one. Six zero is the number and this is free talk live freedom. 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And i felt like it's important to share this because this is someone who ultimately is going to end up. Advocating using whatsapp owned by facebook over telegram fail. Yeah it's absolutely absurd so it starts out sensible in recent days. I've become horrified by the big tirrenia censorship. i felt we must fight back against big tech readiness. It's by a reader is all it says it was the site live dot com live c. O l l the news about the lack of privacy on whatsapp also worried me yes. It meant losing social networks. But i felt that. I had to do my part watching tens of my friends also leaving and reading online. How thousands if not millions are leaving as well indeed telegram saw a up twenty five million in the last week of users and the last forty eight hours. Wow yeah yeah. They just crossed five hundred million recently like just this week they did. They're doing very well thrilled for them. And that's global five hundred million. It gave the alter the feeling that we do have movement here and the big tech will fill a little pain and indeed twitter stock fell by ten percent but where to go telegram or signal now. This is a bit confusing to me. Because i don't tricks. I don't consider telegram or signal to be social media apps. Their communication apps well is also a communications ap right. It's just messaging okay. So i guess it is a comparison. Okay yeah. i've never used whatsapp because as facebook. I'm only on facebook for outreach purpose. I left facebook three years ago. And i certainly wasn't going to join whatsapp. Yeah i'm still on facebook. But i get banned so often that i might as well not so i figured i'll try both the groups go. What i was quick to discover is this is wrong. Emergency danger ahead for privacy perspective. I receive a message every time any of my contacts join telegram. Which means that. The moment you join telegram would literally send a broadcast message about your joining to all your contacts on telegram without asking you well which is true but it did ask if it could look at your your your phone book and presumably you can tell it no i presume yes i didn't bother to. I find it useful to know who else is on telegraph. That's exactly why. I did there. My thirty my contacts then. I'm okay with them. Knowing that i'm on telegraph. The contacts are sorted by last seen which is another thing that bugs me about. I've also turned it off. This means that you will pop up at the top of everyone's list every time you open the app. Oh and disabling this quote feature in your privacy settings only removes the exact time step but it will still say just now if you're online a long time ago etc why is that even a thing. Do you decide who you want to text based on last seen. This is a terrible breach of privacy. I don't know if i would call it a terrible breach of privacy but it is it is a feature that i feel. One should have to opt into okay. Let's see what you're saying there even while setting up telegram one. They require you to enter at least a first name. Why do they need to know that. So the beginning unreasonable to enter your legal first name you can enter whatever the hell you want right. You have to have a way to be identified on the system you could just put a symbol or something in there. I don't imagine you know there's any restriction on it now. I don't know why that is their complaint. They repeatedly asked for permission to place and receive calls quote in order to verify your phone number. I that's not. The reason weakness of telegram is that it does require a phone number. It does that that is a legitimate complaint and so two signal yeah well signal that makes sense because that's an as a texting serb. No it's not. It used to be a long time ago signal actually used to send its messages over text. It does not anymore said some of internet now because it can't encrypt an sms. Message no they used to be able to. That's the way signal used to work and it was only a few years ago that it was it. Was this way but you. If you received a signal from somebody and you weren't on signal it will just look like an encrypted bunch of garbage because it was an encrypted text message oh and it would literally break the messages into as many texts as it needed to get the data across now it only in crypts if the user has signal correct yeah if the other user doesn't have signal then yes it will send a text message but i will say good feature because allows me to just use signal text. Everyone i don't have to go back and forth between that and do to either. Well i did if. I wanted them receive a legible message on the end. No if you could send unencrypted on signal if you can if you hold down the so let's say you and i were in a signal conversation and for whatever reason i wanna send you a text message instead if you hold down like the send button. It'll give you the option to send insecure. sms okay. Yeah but the reason that telegram does this. It's because they need to be able to play some receive phone calls for you to call people on telegram. I've never gotten a verification call about my phone number from telegram. I don't think they even do that. The other do really. It was always sms for me. Well okay right. They by default. Sms is the option. But if you can't get an sms they will call you okay but that is the reason they have the phone. Numbers is purportedly for you. Know to stop spammers. Or whatever of course. It doesn't work at all because the spammers just get fake phone numbers in. They have these services that they can spin up a phone number for zero cost or whatever so it doesn't it doesn't do anything except keeps legitimate people who don't have phone numbers off telegram. So that's a that's a big downside telegrams it does require a phone number. I denied and denied until they finally resorted to just asking for my permission to to my call log which i denied. Then they finally just sent me a regular. Sms to verify phone number. Was that so hard. Couldn't they have started with this privacy friendly method from a safety perspective. That's not privacy friendly. They have your phone number. Yeah from a privacy perspective. The feature called nearby people will reveal nearby users including their profile pictures and their exact distance in feet to you and nearby public group chats the users groups on this list are not from your contacts. They are anybody and any group opted in to be discovered where any stranger can post literally anything again. That's up in. You can opt into that. Yeah like there was a story recently. That a hacker was able to use that system to actually identify fairly precise locations. That people so it's kind of a dangerous thing for those that are concerned about their locations. Yeah i don't know why anyone would want to opt into that. I don't want to see who's around. I don't care who's around. If if i know them and their on telegram then they will have a way to contact me on television while ready. Some people might want to roll the dice. I mean you've met more than a few people you know. Look on the internet and that was it into that. This is often as fair. Point the idea being. Hey you just came into a new area okay. Let's say you move to a place. You're visiting a place or whatever and you're like i want to see who's on telegram around here that is also in this mode and see what chat rooms there are. Whatever so if you were to do it here in keene you would find that. There's a chat room for. Actually i think the aria channel i think was created in that way if i recall correctly there's definitely one of the republican chats about the rivera chat is Is there that's right. We started that as your channel and we put we put it out. This is back when you were running for office for. We immediately put out on twitter given no thought whatsoever. This will be fine. This was when the sheriff can't pay was exploding right. And every troll jumped into this show or a bunch of them jumped into this chat room and just turned it into like a hate fest against just everything like racist came in there and just awful you know people in general and just turn it into a total s show and so we renamed channel re elect. Eli rivera. who was your opponent. Put his face on the channel. And just you abandon it. And i'm still technically sitting in there just to watch what happens. I'm still in there as well. But i leave at muted. Be having a good time. They post their the bars. 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I'll be talking with carla eric from the free state project tomorrow about that. I hope that's not true. Really they really want that fourth of july weekend. They got so jealous that we got that fourth of july weekend that they're going to break her. What is it fifteen year tradition. That's having it around the equinox. They are That's what they're doing or the solstice. Which is that. what they're doing. That's pathetic. I think it's great. I think it's exciting. I think it's great that both events are coming together for the first time i liked having our own thing. You know you know but the porcupine freedom festival people they have such different vibe in a different way of doing things. I mean they have pork rangers. Yep that's true so now does pork. Rangers stayed near the pavilion this last year. They did this last year. Yeah but still cops are cops Sure but there's no ticket costs for fast. Hope just reserve your camping. Rv site or motel room with rogers campground for june. The twenty eight three july the fourth. And we're better to celebrate independence day than around other freedom loving activists in the shire. Check it out fork fast. Stop mark your calendar for june. The twenty three july the fourth. We're going to be there and it's gonna be great you know as i sat here reading that a bit more thinking about it. I won't be sad about not spending two weeks at rogers campground because by the end of that two weeks i was mentally wiped area. Yeah it was a very long vacation. It was enjoyable but two weeks of it. I'm i'm ready to get back to my life and everything. That's going on and everything that i messed well. Let's go do what you might be able to do. Remember fork fest is decentralized so it's my understanding porcupine freedom festival will be starting on that tuesday so we've been promoting june twenty eighth. Which is i believe a monday. Through july fourth which is the following sunday or that sunday. So they're going to be starting on the twenty ninth because the porcupine of will hasn't been a full week long event for nasty officially will last longer. Well there's nothing official with fork fest. There's just what we say right fair point if you if you were to say fork fest is going to start on the prior thursday now or friday shan fork fest. Then grab the weekend prior to the porcupine freedom festival and the week of the porcupine freedom festival then that would make the porcupine freda or that would make forecasts a week and a half instead of the full week so then you have two weekends. You'd have a weekend of fork fest where it's just fork fast. Sort of like we used to run or well. It was a pre party. Yeah in that we were a week prior to the porcupine pre-diabetes well this would just be like three or four days prior. So that's an option right. That's sure if you don't wanna do a full two weeks you can do whenever you want for taylor there for the week. Prior to invest experience other campers and stuff but not necessarily. I mean if we started saying that. We're going up four days early then. True for us for starts on wednesday or thursday or friday or whenever it was that we would decide to do that. So it's just all up to. I mean who knows what the actual fort fest are gonna. Besides we're just talking here right like to attend the difference between us in the average attendees. We have a radio show. Yeah so so we can promote the times. We can promote times that we want to promote now. So that's up to us. But i think it's exciting because look there's been some people who've been trying to drive a wedge between certain folks in the the free state project or the new hampshire liberty migration or whatever. There's nothing you understand. Why i have a bit of hesitation about this particular individual. I don't know which individually referring to. But i do one that does not like me. Refuse to come on the air if i was anywhere near Yeah well that's mind it. But i mean it's like dat mentality it's resonating with fort fast. Yep i agree with you. But ultimately what's best for the liberty community as more important than that petty squabbles. Oh yeah and that's what. I wanna see happen here. Is you know. Hopefully the most petty people will stay home. And i think that actually to some extent happened in twenty twenty because the word got out that we were going to be at the porcupine freedom festival and certain group people really doesn't like the keen people and you know they stayed home sex for them. They miss the nice time. Yeah they had their own little festival in somebody's backyard somewhere. Apparently that's depressing. Let's go to the phones. We got jane calling from kentucky gene. You're on free talk live. Yeah i was gonna talk but y'all kept me on. Hold it sixteen minutes that oh you're just gonna complain and hang up well we it's a talk show and we were talking so anyway in other news. The creator of telegram has responded to these allegations. Are she showed us. Didn't she kidding. This lady yeah. Yeah just throw me off. I mean we can't control the fact that you call during the previous segment right and would that we couldn't screen your call until the braille the break and then the opportunity to we brought you on some people don't have any patients. I guess they don't wanna talk on the radio. That's fine you don't want have hit our national audience with whatever your great ideas we're going to be wash. I'm so you've mentioned pablo douro. He is the founder of telegram. He is apparently a russian anarchist supposedly. Now i've never talked with him. But i've always heard that he's an anarchist me neither and but when that was brought up in one of our telegram chance earlier today we did have Will who is a friend of the show. He did some research and found an article where yeah here. It is so apparently his views on how to fix russia and he says that based on the his russian manifesto i would describe him as an and catfish wrestling nationalist so lean towards capitalism. But the russian nationalist part kind of conflicts with that it may mean that he just loves russia. Okay you know. I've loving the land. I suppose i haven't read the manifesto but he he did look through it so Duro of responded to all this controversy. You're just reading an article of a guy who was saying. I'm not going with that telegram because there's too much freedom on there. They searched the the person who wrote the article. You read had searched for something and found that there were so many different disturbing things. I've searched for stuff. And i've never found anything that would have disturbed me about. You're a little different than the abuser. I imagine so they. They ran back to the safety of facebook and the safety of whatsapp but in my show. Prep here tonight. I do have a statement by ville himself. He says i have and this is posted to his own channel on telegram official channel. He says i hear. Facebook has an entire department devoted to figuring out why telegram is so popular imagine dozens of employees working on just that fulltime. I'm house a pretty cushy job. Yeah i'm happy to save facebook. Tens of millions of dollars in give away our secret for freak respect your users and he says a little bit more about what's different than some of the myths and the misinformation about telecom. Excellent stuff to get into. We're gonna get into that here on free. Talk live if you don't want to hold for sixteen minutes. Give us a call now. 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I just gave you the the time time zone and to find phone numbers it's Metro dot m. courts dot gov and so they just give phone numbers of their courts out publicly in anyone who wants to call in. Yeah yeah you can tomorrow more if you if you've got nothing to do or you can call in every day of the week morning and afternoon just by looking at the spreadsheet that's published right there at that website it's tdf you you Go to that website. The very top link says here and you click on it. And it'll download a pdf spreadsheet of tell you courtroom courtroom by courtroom what the call in number is and the pass code. And then you're in and you can listen and you can even talk but I guess you wanna be. You wanna be a talking over them in court. My cause some sort of a problem yeah. The judges don't tend to take real kindly to that but as you in this age of conference calls and zoom meetings and all this other stuff in the courtrooms. The judges have way less control over the situation situation that they did in the past. I presume that they're clerk of court. Probably has some sort of panel where they can meet people but yeah they they can meet you and they can also they could choose if they if they think that they by law need to leave you able to hear. They'll just newt you and if they think that they don't need to even have you there. They can disconnect you sure so why. We don't want to do this. I don't enjoy dealing with when i have to. Sometimes you know observing court can be interesting It can be educational could be enlightening. As far as how they're handling court in the covid age where all these things are being done online. I've actually witnessed a couple of court hearings. Recently that i was not particularly a party to and just out of curiosity so does anything particularly interesting happen at eight thirty tomorrow. David this is mountain. Time it would. Yeah eight thirty mountain time and it's on for me. It's on friday of this week in the courtroom. Victor valdez on that spreadsheet But but this this will be interesting. Yeah because there are several heated At issue items that have not been resolved and if they're not resolved between now and that hearing or well then then. They're going to be resolved by me moment one because i'm not gonna wait to see if they resolve them in the hearing. I'm just going to force the issue. So okay cool. So if you want to hear david inaction because these calls a lot about going to court and he got a lot of experience in court so if you want to see somebody go pro se or cure someone go pro se and in court you know. It might be interesting to tune in eight thirty friday morning mountain time. Check it out. Should be interesting david. I wish you the best of luck with your quarter parents although it is a court and they're never particularly fun. I was recently listening in on a gentleman who was ticketed for shooting off fireworks at one of our nightcaps. I went to his attended his court hearing. How did that on the phones. It was just a pre-trial conference. I'm so there wasn't much that went on but You know they scheduled a trial. Okay familly but it was interesting to hear sort of how these things go where there's multiple people on the line and there's noise and it's confusing and it's like it's like your typical conference that anybody has with any business these days with everybody meeting on these online meetings. Except it's a court and there's a man in a row purportedly who's in there and he doesn't. He doesn't have as much control as he wants. Had however i bet you if you said f. you judge on the line. I bet they'd send men with guns to your house. They knew where you were. They would contempt. It is contempt Normally contempt is There's direct criminal contempt indirect criminal contempt than i think. There's civil contempt as well. And i think there might be indirect on that. Correct me if i'm wrong. Legal scholars out there. I'm certainly not an attorney. So maybe inaccurate on that but generally direct criminal contempt is where you do a thing in the presence of the man in the robe all of these different types of contempt of court by the way art actually legally justified anywhere is considered to be an inherent power of the course correct and so i suspect you would still get hit with direct criminal contempt. Even though you weren't within the judges vision you aren't within his chamber per se. But you're on the phone line with them so i suspect they would try for direct criminal contempt if you said f. u. or something else. The judge didn't like that's insane but he can't stop you from getting high or drunk on the phone. Well that would lead you to be more likely to say. Fu judge engine so.

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