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We cover a lot of ground and zach and i are so low in the studio doing q. And a. on this episode of the tire. Podcast a study. A study published a couple years ago. That people who are Wristwatch where's and enthusiasts. Are more considerate than people. Who are not in general presents true. I didn't have a watch for a long time and j. f. when i started working for him he was like you should get watch. You'll s- you'll be more punctual on production and it was totally right. Because it's easier looking to take your phone on your pocket. And i think the sample size and the study was relatively small about one hundred twenty people maybe hundred like not tens of thousands of people. There is true for me nevertheless it does reinforce my belief that what i do makes me better than others. Everybody believed everybody's beliefs We were going to be on time but everything updated over the holidays like every device in here so we sat down. It was like oh shit bro. We were like four minutes late on a saturday other day that we shows to work on. I was already at my first job. And i called you the saturday of after christmas and i said hey. Do you wanna come over so i can do my second job also and you were like yes actually. That's weird that's but okay. happy saturday. I hope everyone had a good christmas zach in i in our lady's as Jews we asian takeout We try to chinese food. Is what new york jews do a lot. More chinese options serving on christmas in new york than there are in venice. Typhoon here yeah. I was born with a tie. Good tie is good the ties the tie is the is. La's chinese food. Starting thai food. I kind of gave up on chinese. Like this is what i watch. Chinese was most of the time. Because it's a little like fresher and more like natural not as greasy right fried But there's some you know like the little fatty like there's chinese. Like like artisan chinese probably. What the fuck in china and not. What the in. Chinatown that like. It's coming back. It's coming in west coast. Chinese food is like more watered down than the east coast. Even so we have. Well that's most mundane interests of the chinese food options. I mean americanized chinese food. You you searching for general tau before the documentary. No it's a documentary called searching for general tau. It's pretty low budget he's really. It's starts about seeking the origins of general charles chicken. It's not it's worthy Worthy pursuit if he asked me But the only really interesting super interesting tidbit in the whole film is that when chinese people came to At both ellis island and to the west the coast of immigration centres. Wherever the fuck they were. I'm ashamed to not know but wherever they were The the chinese Like immigration authority early nineteen hundreds. Encourage them not to like cluster and make a homogeneous community of chinese people but to like go out to america and be like the only chinese family in some little fucking town in some midwestern state or whatever and make chinese food and bring chinese food to america. And so that's how you end up with. That's one chinese restaurant. That's been there for like fifty years in every single town in america that is it was a policy. It's probably the most accessible ethnic food like across the entire country for certainly a while Yeah i mean. I can't think of like you said maybe more but no that's true right. Good point might be more wasn't no. Oh it's a competition misunderstood. Hi everybody again. I hope you all had a good christmas I don't have a lot to bring to the table right now. So i want to hear from you. Get in the super chat. And let's see what the fuck is up I will just start with. Oh there's already some good okay. I We can start with the bmw m. two s Well let me start by plugging. Can you go to road and track dot com zach. I'll plug i wrote. Some words about the porsche's drove the five porsches in one day. And if you didn't wanna watch five videos i understand. It seems like a lot of content. We put out seven videos and seven days leading up to christmas so we worked a lot And so i wrote some words it. It's some isn't it right on top. Oh it was the top story yesterday is it. Does it bump in bumped off the front lot up here really Spaghetti got bumped off the front page already. Boo drive stuff every day. I mean it was only two days ago. Two days in internet time you cross over of a friday and a christmas and a saturday we made. You made three videos in two days. You're you're arguing with yourself. Good point anyway. If you want to read some words. I think i think a piece came out very well. The m to cs is really really. This is the thing about the. Mtc us really good. They make you pay for it though they take out wait. They replace things with carbon Transmission tunnel hood roof mirrors There's a spoiler there's a splitter there's that's all the carbon is really lightweight wheels. There's optional ceramic brakes with which might test car had vaires adaptive suspension And as a full three motor. It's fucking four and forty five horsepower. So it's It's one hundred and eighty pounds lighter than the regular m than the competition Much hundred and eighty pounds lighter. That's pretty significant. It's pretty significant. Yup because there's been like lamborghinis passer like forty pounds different. Well there was one I forget which there was a wanna say it was a mclaren but it might not have been a mclaren. I mean the The m three lightweight from nick ninety five that was not that much rs. america also very very not that lightweight but One hundred eighty pounds is pretty good. And it's fucking lively but the big deal is the the adaptive suspension with the comfort mode. That makes it a lot less like bouncy which is good it's like a magnet system. Do you know not mag ride. But it is fully adaptive okay so Just having the comfort setting makes it a lot. More compliant and like usable. Did you drive you driven comp rate comp yeah. I didn't like the cop that much. Yes pretty steph. I thought it was really stiff. And consequently it was really stiff on the road and then on the track that stiffness turned into lot of like hoppy. Nece like we'll happiness and it didn't really rotate the way i wanted it to. I didn't really like the cop that much. I like the i m to the regular. Yeah i didn't like the comp. That much now i like this one the most. But the one showing on the screen right now the The blue with the gold the the ceramic brakes and the one i had was. Dc which points against because you can get it in manual and that's probably amazing but it's a good dc great no complaints about the dvd itself in its pure existence. No it's fine. It's it's really because it's dc t hanukkah drive it. You know You know ninety thousand dollars though. Yeah fuck expensive. Ninety is like you're really getting up there at that point. Now here's the thing you probably don't want the ceramics because they are like porsche. Two thousand nine levels of squeak. They squeal like crazy. Like when if you wash the car right. I've had it for a week. And i've made i've made the the poor guys wash it twice in a week and i never. I almost never wash press cars. Ever like. And i made because not because i cared about how clean car was with because with like it rained yesterday. Yeah was it yesterday with today's days ago. Rain whatever it was rained after that rain the the wheels got wet and the brakes didn't speak for like maybe forty five minutes they went back to. It was like fucking rain. And they didn't quit because sometimes high-performance pads squeak after they get wet sometimes vs squeak when they get dusty which in southern california is always so it's that was really annoying. And you paid for the privilege. Now it's it's unfortunate because they work pretty good. You know like the if you watch video i would. I would determine that was mobbing and they were just just fine. Yes us about right for that vehicle. God the squeal. That's a. I might be a deal breaker unless you really for some reason absolutely had to have that stopping power had to steel instead. Oh the carbons are an option go. You're for the fucking all the way right with the cbs and all the it's the only one. This is the only two that these breaks ever been available on. If you're going to do that with the resale in mind but if you want as just a car that you love then why not get every all the good parts plus the good breaks because we we know we've talked to so many people say steal brakes fine like you don't need carbon and they just cost more money ball. It is is when you're going to sell even spike said when you're going to flip the car later you need that that thing on the description. But i'm going through. This with Are designers at our new place. There's certain things that they are determining that we need to have for resale fuck. I'm paul and i like to cook. I wanna forty inch thirty nine or forty inch countertop. Yeah and they're all nick the standards thirty six so yes. I've heard that the standard is thirty. Six we're going to have a forty inch countertop. Because my back hurts. If i cook at thirty six inch countertop and there but the resale also you know that you have to have bathtubs in your house even if you have no kids and don't take baths as the next person is probably going to have a kid. And they might have to advocate I guess the kind of makes sense if one keeping the garage. I should hot. Tub doesn't count. You got one of those huge super tubs. We're gonna have a hot tub center. Huge super tub a super tub or the shack. Your forty jobs because the clippers live nearby house down there. That's a good point. I could direct market across the street from. Wcbs are like. Is this kind of thirty six inches. It's not never mind. You think if like brad williams was building in the house of his dreams. Some won't be like brad. You need a thirty six inch countertop for the resale go and go fuck your side. You know same thing here. If you're doing it set it so you can get the get the too the breaks you you get them with the brakes. You'll in with the brakes. Electric cars guy. Good that's a lot of power for that car. That's a lot of power for the car you know. What real fucking fast. It looks real fast it goes. It is a very very fast card answers. Fast yes and this and it does. It does the holy shit. I didn't know i was going that fast. Does that pretty well but it also has feel to it. It's not like you know like that. M four forty thing. I had the beaver to one. We haven't put the video up with that one yet. It's coming up in january. I figured the cop would do better in fucking make money december but The four forty is also like you zero to sixty in the threes a quarter mile and the twelve's but it doesn't feel like anything does. What does the power being in the m to this laffy leg flats of senior between three and seventy five hundred makes exactly the same amount of power. Okay yeah yeah which is actually fought. You would think that it's not fine like that. But everyone i've driven that was tuned and i'm talking about him for is now every m four. I've ever driven. That was tuned was worse every single. One i won't argue with that against that. Because i've driven these to win. Their model like people put too much power one. And it's like real peaky. Think you know. There's this middle ground where like dinan to was pretty good. Yeah in that regard. I want a little progression in the power band because even a big block something you feel more power coming on and celebrate but like the m force for awhile when we first drove the m four m three was just like all the power and this shelf. Yeah it's just weird to manage And then when you people would tune them then the that that blast would be even harder true and so actually the best modified him for had bigger turbos because it came on it actually made it by by by intentionally adding turbo lag. It actually made it more fun. You know what. I mean because of the lower power band do you didn't have to be so afraid. Rat right now throttle and it would come on a little more territory. I forgot forgot who who's car. I was that drove where it was that it had upgraded turbos. But that was actually better. All the stock turbo cars with tunes were horrible. But if you upgraded the turbos and actually added turbo lag got better. You know what it is like. Hypercard supercars during a bunch of clarence. They all get a lot of them. Have progressive boost right because they can't give you seven hundred twenty power in first gear second gear. Because you'll the tires off. But when people modify their turbo cars they basically give themselves all the power that rpm and even ferrari mclaren going. no no. that's too much too early. what are you doing. She use that same practically exactly but See us his really really. That's a nice car. it's fucking expensive. But it's got a low volume parts in it. You know that that carbon hood in that carbon trans tunnel like those are low volume parts. They probably have to be handmade by some little other suppliers somewhere And it is the best looking best driving car that bmw makes right now at any price. You cannot spend more and you cannot spend less money on a bmw right now to get a better car than that. It's the best car you can buy that. They make period. So if you're really into. Bmw's that's your option right now. If what you want is the the bmw that you'd think you you know what i mean. Like not like a a six hundred horsepower. Crossover fortunate you have to spend that much money to get the bmw that we all like but Yeah but it's true it is so it's really nice. I fucking get allot but at that price you know. You're you're really here's one. That price becomes worthwhile. Because if because his limited production like the one m right so began and manual. Get in get in the hot color. The blue with a gold. You know what. I mean you get it with the right options resale oriented and you pay more now but i bet it holds. You know what i mean like. Okay like a z. Fifty one vet three lt. All the goodies is still probably five or six thousand dollars less than this. And we'll go faster and rides better. You know what i mean and is arguably arguably because it's mid engine better right you've also you're also into came. In gede gaming s can even came in gts levels at that. Gts are more expensive than you think. They're up in the nineties. You know you're you're getting into some real performance cars. Yeah but those. A vet depreciates like any other car. You know what i mean. Came in depreciates like any other car. Any portions not a gt will. Depre- depreciates This bmw might not well. It's also i think because it's kind of special in their lineup. It's like because they don't have a lot of stuff. That's really good in kind of connects to the driver. This will stand out more porsches or the vets. The vets me so many of them. It's the first year car. Yeah they're just gonna keep cranking those out. There's a lot of offerings from that. Yeah they will sell as vets as they can sell. And then what they can't sell to you. They'll sell the fucking enterprise. How many the twenty. two hundred globally. Geez it's not a lot very small. It's a more than one m.'s. I think there was fifteen hundred. One 'em's but it's not a lot more no number small number by bmw standards. That's pretty good. Yeah it's a bitch car. Yeah he's read. It looks like a graduate for a subaru lover. Like like world rally on hold but you have the more money here you go at. Those wheels are fucking yet color. Combos great the only thing. The only things about it. That i'm not into our. It has keila start kilos entry. And i someone deemed me because i bitched about not having entry in the video and they said that queue entries an option and it weighs like forty pounds. Oh so all right. Okay if i was bmw. I'd commit even further and making a fucking key like the the forty-six key like you want to it's got a clicker clicker to open. But it's a key well now. I wonder if that tumbler. The tumbler in the steering column weighs more than just the button. And that's actually later to go with the button. Damn it maybe it is. I don't know it's a good question all right well. Anyway i found it and forty forty pounds or no forty pounds. I found that annoying to not have kilos entry but to have kilos start and not. Because i'm fucking snobby but because my brain would get confused like for the whole week. Yeah i was. You know. I'm used to because in my garage. It's not locked. Get in and i start. You know what i mean. But then i walk away and i hit. The thing doesn't lock and you know what i mean. I walk up to the trunk and grabbed the trunk groceries. It doesn't open. I'm like oh sing is this is halfway to start. It was twist your brain it just you can't. You can't develop a consistent habit. That's what's difficult even a key that you had to put on lock like you plan how you hold your groceries for that is you. Hit the button. Yeah you hit a button. You get a button. It's not the end of the world but it's inconsistent behavior and that was weird and also they delete the armrest and to some that. That's not a big deal to me. It it made it substantially more annoying to drive a regular car to have the arms of love. My arm has a laguna seca. Louis forty-six not armrest and he looked at mine and he kind of made fun. He's like oh you got to lose weight and then he kinda stopped because when you sit they place the armrest. It's the same height as the army on the left. Like good job because some cars don't have so when you sit you can put your elbows there. When you long distance. She does the best job with the exact same height. It's which is how every car show the driving eight hours or six hours like you need that or your shoulders. Get tightened gets all dude. I did a lot of miles in on test day. On the in the mt i did a bunch of miles. Almost two hundred on that day and and my hands from just them hanging on the wheel because the wheels kind of high and it's also really like fixed So so my hands at the end of it i just. I couldn't find a way to rest them appropriately. So i hope you know. Maybe that's an option. You can put back in or something but like to not have it was sorta like this is. This is not at a certain point. Lightweighting gets gets annoying. Yeah not wait forty. pounds Yeah yeah but i In in every other way that's about the best. Bmw that you can buy right now. That coffee gave me like a real real cotton mouth situation going on. Also tradecraft farms. Shut out to you guys up. You all have been shopping for tradecraft this holiday season the official ganga. This smelter podcast with it. Get with it. Live folks. I'm gonna be on with mattie rock later tonight talking about bourbon and cigars. I'm not that into cigars. Going to say but bert. I like bourbon because the problem with cigar as an ex cigarette smoker. It's very hard to get into cigars wh- because you are like because you don't inhale them you know and like e people like just they sit on that cigar for like forty five minutes and so to just be puffing on the same i i. it's a different mentality. Yeah it's like. Wait i'm not. I'm not inhaling this. i'm not getting. Hi i'm just sitting here like i really like being around other people. Smoking cigars the s the aura of it. But i don't know. I might just broke up a fucking cone that titan of rate i've got this this This floral floral cone still. This is a pretty decent shelf life. They told me things. Amazing smoke weed really. Think it looks really cool. Yeah kind of thing you want to give to your your your girl. For valentine's day it is. They should sell those bouquets market. That will absolutely valentine's yep. Yep yep yep so we go to the people because it's a question all right cool. Because i don't really have anything else. got thin. Because it's hasn't been that long since your last recorded. i haven't done much. I fucking play tennis and went on walks really really all. We have a lot of questions about ten walks. Good yeah goods of whatever. We were talking about recently about cats. I've had so many people out to me like how do you know about cats. As a cumulative cumulative eighty years cat experience true yeah anyway. daniel says. I'm eighteen years old. And i just bought an e thirty as the first car. I don't have the money for racing school. What can i do to improve my skills as a fast driver Love you live somewhere where it snows. You can find snowy parking lots do drifts figure eights and practice car control that way or if it rains Find a parking lot not a road crash auto crossing in eighteen. This is your first car. You don't know very much. And i mean like. I'm not trying to be dismissive auto cross you know. Sometimes i feel like sometimes boring but i recognize it as an educational tool in. That'll teach you a lot about just like breaking in connotation you'll spin out and you wonder why you'll figure out why it's safe and it's like forty dollars to go usually. Yeah i also would say Work on your footwork. You know assuming in the thirty s a manual a great car to learn heel toe skills and that is a skill that will take you for the rest of your life and you can do it everywhere all the time. You don't have to be a performance situation. You could do it on the way to work or school or whatever we're just around To me when. I drive a car. Heel toe driving is just driving and if you watch my how to drive a manual transmission video it i see i teach that and there's people who will argue with that methodology but that's what i teach soda So would say. Watch my video on. He'll toying or fucking watch. Senna you know in a in a accurate. Ns around suzuka or whatever like you know. Best foot footwork. Videos and and practice those Those techniques with your feet because an e thirty is a great way to md. K- kaiser says What is the story behind the metal bracelet him. Oh this one. This metal bracelet is from tiffany and it was given to me b- on my bar mitzvah and it has my bar mitzvah date on the back of it. November twelfth nineteen ninety four. And i've worn it every day since then except in senior year of high school. I gave it to my girlfriend and when we broke up. I didn't get it back. And then like four years later. She was she like we. Didn't it wasn't a good break-up we didn't talk a lot Like four years later she was like a moving out of my parent's house And i found this and thought thought you'd want it and send it back to me and that was very nice of her. I was that was pretty much almost the last time i spoke with her and she sent him back to me and i've worn it every day since so. Yeah i just. I had to have the class replaced. Which after thirty years tiffany charged me. Sixty two dollars for and i dropped off the bracelet for repair the fucking day before the lockdown and it sat tiffany for like three months before you get it back but they only charge sixty five dollars thirty to fix that. So shout out the tiffany Jasper mandeville says. Have i ever driven the million dollar highway in colorado twenty five miles from the double r l ranch. It's awesome it's outside. i don't. I don't think there's a sign there that says million dollar highway. Does it have another road. The us five fifty. I mean that. Sounds like the kind of thing i would have driven on something. I've driven by the double rl like when we did When we did the e thirty thing the bentayga and the thirty. I think dr i that that sounds like a road. We would have driven for that. We were near it. I don't think we're on it and it has a better photo. I'm not sure. I don't recall specifically. I certainly hope this picture. That zach is brought up isn't as us five fifty is what it's called doesn't ring a bell doesn't ring a bell. He goes north south from silverton to silverton to ray. Us find fifty. No i don't know. I haven't sure okay. Sorry oh there's some good sections though. Go back that if you google image million dollar highway. Oh wow there's some there's definitely that looks lovely this like they clearly blasted a cliff apart. Yeah lots of cliff. Edges lots of horseshoe corners horseshoe bends. lauda undulation. how that looks exposure holy shit. Yeah looks great. I don't i haven't done it but by based on these pictures. It looks excellent. Nine dollars in corner is real shady. Yes you could drop a week that corner you've got pulled up. He says oh shady. The guardrails have cost a million point near like sorry. Yeah we don't have a picture. Isn't that picture right there. Highway to hell just to the left of it the same by corner. If you go up one is at the same corner there. Yes same corner yeah. It's a different time of day. It's like not as dramatically lit and it just says highway. Two one road can simultaneously be called million dollar highway and highway to hell. I mean this is a two lane road. That's just as twist any of the cans we film on and has no guardrails and the side that's exposed. It's literally two feet from the edge. Vertical it makes pike's peak look like a modern formula one circuit little wider and it has some guardrails in some places it has guard rails in the risky. I wanna say riskiest. But some of the tightest turns where there's the most exposure in two thousand foot cliffs like. That's where they have. Guardrails on pikes. peak I don't want to judge this whole road by this quarter mile. Stretch that we're looking at but that quarter mile stretch looks shady. I mean this is not a place to learn adrift. If you're the kid who bought the thirty this is not a place and it is It is very beautiful though. I guess yeah well. We'll keep that one in mind. Alex fucking grave rat yet looks awesome. Good recommendation thank you sir. Joseph much He's got a one thousand nine hundred nine porsche. Nine thirty in silver. Should you go with the red tail lights. Or the euro. Orange amber lenses zach. Do you an opinion here Well my car is supposed to have clear tail lights. And i have amber orange on that kind of like him but microbes blue dude. I don't know I'm colorblind. I almost can't tell the difference. Like if you if i sell your car and you're like look look what i changed. It'd be like oh. I what what did you change. I'm just can't tell my instinct. Says i read stands out better from silver but i've never seen the orange ambra once i met to look it up I mean i am not in. I'm not one of those people. That's like a purist where it's like you have to whatever came with. Keep it stock. I don't really give a shit. But oh well i mean the the amber looks nice. They're right there. Nine thirty nine thirty nine six four. I mean the amber just in a quick glance looks nice. I guess i'm pro amber. i wouldn't. I wouldn't replace lights. That don't need replacing. But if they need replacing fucking ambulance cool when my tosh goes back in for service. I've got those yellow The carello fog lights. They're going to go in. How nice right now. I have clear fog lights. But they're actually not the correct ones hellos and the correct one is a carello and vinnie. Got me and my inbox and a set of of the correct carrillo's but they're from the french market so they're yellow instead of clear okay. Us market would ever ah but like actually. They look awesome like so. I'm i'm going to switch my fucking fog lights from us spec to french spec because i because vinnie thought it looked good. Yeah and i agree with him so he didn't do it. Excuse me trent says what a weird fucking question. i'm. I'm looking for a pontiac. Sports car should i get a two thousand and six manual. Gto or a g. Eight g xp with manual much-appreciated g eight. I think gee what a weird like. There's pontiac enthusiast like you. Ps are still expensive. I know but that's because the the fill a niche that is almost no almost no. The car feels which is a medium large sedan with a front engine. Rear-drive manual transmission very difficult to find cheap. Amg or yeah. Yeah yeah and and and they drive beautifully and they're they're they are. The australian cars were the best may gm cars of that period. You know what. I mean so i understand why i would just go with the xp newer nicer better car and the styling is closer to contemporary. And me the gto is very much like leftover late nineties. Early two thousands bulbous kind of style. Totally that's my opinion. But i think it's funny that there's like enthusiasts of this period of pontiac and they somehow need our help deciding which one of these pontiacs by like. Honestly if you do if you need a back seat get the fuck and four door. I think cider weird. It was one of those coops where it looks. Oddly long in the door looks really long. Yeah but it looked like squat It just didn't have a lot of styling and interior was good looking the next year did not it was just very i agree and i think i have a not certainly not a unique perspective by any means unique for the two of us in this room because i went to australia for sailing camp before this car was sold in the us as the gto. And i saw it as the fucking holden commodore and the holden monaro and so when it came here it was just like walk. Because i had seen years before in australia as this. The different grill on. It was the same car like you weren't fooling me. You know what i mean so i was just like you know i didn't i didn't give a fuck. They're they're they're heavy too heavy but at least then. You're getting a four door car. I've driven a couple of gto's and if they're set up right they drive pretty well and of that period there pretty well made but i just. I'm surprised they're a pontiac enthusiast left. That's all that aren't old. gto's fox life says is l. a. Worth moving to for the car scene roads and tracks or is there a different area in the country. Should look into relocating to keep those things. Wow so you won't move their four the car scene. I mean i would say your options are pretty well established for you l. a.'s. One texas probably austin but the austin corridor. A pretty good car scene doesn't have the roads though they don't have the roads they do not but they do have tracks and they do have their own brand of fucking crazy ass highway racing at night that kind of thing and they do have culture that is for sure. I've seen a lot of car culture in texas absolutely North west has good. Rose seattle better than you think although you've got a short season yep Northern california is expensive. But it's also sonoma's laguna thunder hill. I mean three of the best tracks in america. And there's a lot of cars events you gotta you get a year round season there. There's a lot of events pebble beach. Is i mean the idea that you would go to the pebble beach events every year and not have to pay for fucking hotel at those exorbitant prices. That's excellent mike. Moustakas drives home effort. I asked her I mean miami. They don't know the roads they've got a couple of tracks but they don't have the roads and they have the culture the carolinas over there. I mean nascar country mooresville If you want that that kind of culture for certainly I mean other places have car culture but if you're talking about moving somewhere for the car culture those are hard to be. La for the mix of the variety of cars. You'll see on a week or weekend. The caliber of cars plus the access to tracks and good roads. Like you really. It's really really hard to beat l. a. But if you go if you i was just doing the other day sunday i went to bills for covert and coffee with hannah and we left early. We went home and we went for bike ride also on the bike path back up and so we leave early. So as we're riding on the bike path backup pch. Other people are coming to just park yourself in one of those beach. Parking lots on a late. Sunday morning nine. Am to noon. Just sit there and just watch. What fucking drives i mean. It's unbelievable. Yeah it's like you're in forza horizon or something. I mean i sat there for. I made my poor wife. Just made her sit there me. I go because there was so many cars ca hand. Let me just just sit here for. This is ridiculous and it was like special. Lambeau mclaren porsche. They rock something all muscle car closing. I mean one after the other after the other after the other you've never seen anything like it And and maybe it's it's more popular now because other options are limited and driving. Our cars is something we can do. But like i've never seen the the malibu corridor you know as stocked with fucking sports and classic cars. Ever as i've seen in the last month. Yeah i agree. The debt the density of the sports cars on pch on a sunday is like holy shit. Everybody's out everybody. And if you go to the you know the country mart it's like this rotating cast of just a spot opens up a new thing pulls it in a group of polls in they leave a group of challenges. They leave like. It's just amazing. What you see so i don't think you can beat it here but i think if you if you're just if you don't need that biggest scene and you're into like more into the tracks and stuff and roads you can find that in a lot of other places that are less expensive. Colorado denver denver has good tracks. Good good roads. Where anymore with mounds or somewhere with hills the hills and preferably. That isn't snowed out for half the. Yeah this out georgia. There's like an p. georgia and georgia orlando. Yeah the north north of atlanta. There's some decent roads for sure. Yeah i wouldn't move to atlanta for the car culture though it's not it's not it's not it's just not as dense atlanta's very suburban. It's not like it's not like there's like a concentrated seen like there is here anyway. I hope those are some good suggestions. Chappie says do we know any big collectors who actually care about limited run mclaren's they all seem so similar. And if i had the money i wouldn't really care i mean if you define limited run as the senna the p. one gtri car I'm sure there are some heavy hitter. Collectors care about that kind of stuff. If you're talking about some you know. We painted a special color. Have you seen any of those they made. There's there's a lot a lot. ms msn msn. Just means it's like porsche exclusive right now. Someone said i make mine this way and they do You know. I think i don't. I don't know if there's any serious collectors. That care about Mclaren special editions. Although i do know serious collectors that own mclaren's I think it depends on. I mean to the most serious collector mclaren f. One is the game over of course. So that's the that's where that's where it ends pretty much every car collector of modern cars if you've got an f. One you win. I'm curious what's going to happen with cars. Like you know this there's a mclaren sabre man. How would you feel if you bought a center. And then they come out with this. It's like it's like the same thing but a little less ugly. Yeah well there's also this one who came out first. This is ordered by something and it was a dealership ordered like twenty five and so i'm curious in the future. What will happen with these We'll see you know. It's what's weird is what i would like to know. Is the group of people that are buying these cars growing or is it just the same couple of hundred people hoovering up everything and i wish it was the former. But i really think it's the latter. If it's the latter than i almost want to give props to the dealerships that are like creating these special editions ted. We got another one. Oh baby you know. Just sell them another thing that they've created. I don't know it's thursday at any given moment a lot of mclaren's on the second hand market a lot you know what i think has changed about this decade versus like f one f one back in the day like that was the made x. Number and it was they were racecars or was celebrating the race. And now it's a special edition that's just like there's more solutions based on whatever they've kind of created like this is to give a nod to this. They're celebrating christmas bonus reading a lot more things It just seems like the hand out a little bit quicker. Well they're just. They're working their way towards more mass production. And so that means you know before better and for worse Now the financial state of the company always seems to be kind of who the fuck knows an. Msn is a great prophet center. Because these people who want shit custom are willing to pay real markups or that kind of stuff yeah If you're a league where everyone you know has a seven twenty and ten of them. You're like well how do i. How do i get the same feeling of his car. I love but it looks different than what my friends have. Right right so Yeah so interesting. Question though l. Alexi lalas ks o. J. louche whatever sure I turned down location for a morgan. P. one oh one Did i make a mistake. I've already have a three wheeler and trade plus some cash super dry edition The p. one. Oh one i didn't. I didn't read the story. Just browse the headline. What did they announce a final. Run of morgan three wheelers. They're phasing out of production. And i'm i'm to have to get caught up in real time. The wheels look cool as fuck Limited edition three wheeler to celebrate an models production What is different about it is. I can't really tell go. Keep going down. It's a thirty three units so it's got different wheels. It's got delivery. It's got a thirty three units. Let's see range of unique components and bespoke detailing conscripts down please Tano cover blah blah blah. It's so it's got like a speedster kind of tano cover. That's pretty cool. It's got some fog lights on it. I mean did. I make a mistake by not getting one. Here's the thing. a morgan. Three wheeler is already the most unique vehicle that anyone who sees you driving around is going to see that day. Do you need to spend that much more for the super special edition of that three wheeler on the off. Chance you run into another three wheeler owner and need to one up them. Yeah they they say they sold twenty two hundred. This is also amazing. Look at morgan. It's the most popular vehicle i've ever had. And they sold twenty one hundred. That's how small manufacturing but twenty one hundred in the world and it's a vehicle that people do not take out very often said the chance if you bumping into somebody i would say that if you already own three wheeler and you're happy with it unless you are just the most hardcore morgan guy or girl out there you know what i mean like. There's some hard core ass. Morgan people and i know one of my clients here at wcs has to morgan's one of them as three wheels in one of them is four wheels. And so and i understand both of his choices they make absolute sense to me as a car. Enthusiasts in general this dude is a car enthusiasts. Oh zach output feed frozen there. Oh my output took a hop anyway If you already own a three wheeler and are happy with it my guess is you'd be throwing a lot of money down a hole to get yourself out of that three wheeler and into another three wheeler and if you are unhappier board with your current three wheeler i bet morgan would happily sell you some kind of mods or something to to change it up enough to make it interesting to you again. That's my advice. Don't cheat out for another three p. One on one thing does look cool. This dude already has a special dish. He's got a super dry edition. Which is already the special edition from a couple years ago. Kevin bolaget says what will be the best. Four cylinder used car value in three years. F type four-cylinder. Seven eight came in mercedes a forty-five or the super four-cylinder. I think the seven one eight came. I agree because i think the enthusiast won't really want him that much on the second hand market and you'll be able to get what is ultimately a really fast nice driving car When the enthusiasts don't embrace something and you're okay with it. That's a great opportunity. That's a great point. You know what i mean like. There's a lot of like everybody likes the four cylinders. i personally. Obviously you heard me say some videos prefer the six cylinder cars but the the is the seven s and gts crazy amount of power. They're really really fast and in dynamically. The chassis is extremely as just as good as it doesn't bother me that it's four cylinder. It's fine like it's pretty neat. Engine is really technically advanced engines. Very cool fucking cargoes like hell. Real fast is got a five hundred horsepower. Package for the s holy crap. So all right. So i think that'll be the best value for sure Michael cut g Fucked that up. i'm considering a considering honda. Two thousand do you think. The jd market will continue to trend upwards or will it correct itself wants the world goes back to normal I don't consider it. S two thousand j. d. m. i see when i personally and i'm not trying to be pedantic when i i think there's there's the jd market of americans importing vehicles. That were not sold here. And there's also just japanese classic collectible cars. i think japanese collectible cars will continue to trend upwards they're reliable. They're usable a lot of folks in their thirties and forties have fond memories of honda's and and stuff like that from high school People are starting to pay real money for civic s. is two thousand Which i understand to a point because they are kind of nice So i do. I do think it will continue to trend slowly upwards I have multiple clients at w. ccs that are collecting nineties and two thousands japanese vehicles. Both jd m. and us diem and I see. I see an opportunity there to to invest in a car. That will be Relatively inexpensive to run and relatively reliable and that is a relatively safe to place to park money. I mean cars. Don't really start to get cheaper like collector cars until the audience. That loves them. Get quite old. Yeah like quite quite old in our generation is really just coming into having disposable income to kind of by we'll call collector cars and show we're interested in. We're not gonna stop doing that. Until we're like s to thousands will always have value always yeah gerald cutler says does saco make the best mechanical watches in the two hundred dollar price range. Are there other companies that offer the same quality at that price range so In my opinion yes. Saco makes the best mechanical watches in that price range and eh. But there's also seko's Like cousin company orient which makes similar quality and equally functional watches in the same price point as well and there's a lot a lot of smaller brands That us entry level automatic and manual wind movements and sell in in that price point. I like seiko. Because they're vertically integrated they make all the parts in the watch they don't just use a movement from here and get a case from here and make their own dials hands and go. Hey we made a watch like they. It's all saco so i really like that. That appeals to me. Two hundred bucks. It's not mechanical but g. shock g. Shock is like the best two hundred dollar watch you can buy probably But for mechanical. I would say yes. Saco and orient is really where you're at for the price point g. Shock always looked like athletic mountaineer watches versus like seiko. Looks like address walk. Single could be a dive watch. It could be a field watch could be addressed watch. There's all kinds of different seko's for all kinds of different occasions G shot for any g. Shock you're you're definitely right. It's it's more like athletic. Type look the rubberized ones. Now saco r. g. shock also has Watches that are made of metal and so that is a You know you know a thing and you can. And those are more Fashiony type watches. You know what. I mean How about frank says As need more heavy batteries to reach high performance and range targets will a tiny lightweight single cedar hybrid with a tiny drag area. Be the last way to enjoy the old school sports car experience working on this type of project now is is the thing i'm working on goodness. He's invented the motorcycle again. Has anyone explained to this person. What a motorcycle is well. Because it's single cedar more lightweight hybrid with a tiny drag area. That's a motorcycle bro. Or the What was that crazy. Bc one of the mono. Yeah i mean like. I don't think a hybrid hybrid specifically is any kind of way to enjoy the old school sports car experience. The old school sports car experiences not available with a hybrid powertrain the best way to enjoy the old school sports car experience. This is gonna shock you frank. You should buy old sports car. I cannot recommend that you will have one hundred percent fun. But i can recommend that you will one hundred percent get an old sports car experience by buying all sports car. And we're i think you know in in a eighty years. Maybe we won't be able to get those but like we're not going to be in a place in thirty years. I don't think we're you can't get gas and you can't drive the house car no so it might be. I don't know banning gasoline-powered vehicles outright sale of new vehicles from the roads would be an absolutely undue burden on many many many of society's people that rely on inexpensive gasoline cars. I'm curious why he would go with a hybrid powertrain because if the car is tiny and has a small dragon single senior than it theoretically to be a really really efficient thing and it'd be really really light. Yeah i mean he's talking about the volkswagen like xl one or one of those kind of so one hundred mile per gallon deals in which case like cool. But don't pitch me. That is old sports sports car experience. Like a tiny motor. Make the thing way. Six hundred kilograms came over. Yeah thanks frank i think paulson. Thank you thank you for donations. Miles live back says. I'm looking to buy one watch for life. Something's used with a case diameter forty one millimeter or smaller for less than less than five. Jeez nothing vintage ideas for me. Immediately i go to places The tutor black bay. Oh the weiss is you're wearing weiss. I thought it was but you know why i see a why. I love cameron weiss. I don't know if that could be a one watch for life. Because of the water resistance is not particularly water resistant. Like it'll survive a quick swim but she wouldn't really want to do serious water with it. So one watch for life has to be like nice enough that you wear it with suit but also has got to work with a bathing suit. Got to work with a scuba tank. It's gotta work when you're in a garage it's gotta work when you're getting masi. You know what i mean. It's got to be durable. If you smash it against something. So to me. I would say tudor. Black bay The tudor black bay Tutor is the Slightly less expensive alternative to rolex It's what you'd call the the working man's rolex. The tutor black bass strongly recommend resembles the rolex mariners and dive watches. They range in three to five three to six thousand dollars variety of basil's variety of dial colors and they're just as durable as the rolexes. They're just like slightly less Fine as it were. You know what i mean just a little bit less but really really well made Really nice watches. And you. could you get one and where it for the rest of your life or like breitling super ocean. That's a great one omega seamaster. There's a thirty different kinds of omega see masters You know what you want is a dive. Watch that also isn't too bulky so some dive watches like fucking giant but you said forty one millimeters so seamaster planet ocean seamaster aqua tara or tutor. What does that say. Oh sponsor bromont hasn't hit his hasn't come in yet. Raymond scott they come through with the product before i start plugging exclusively draymond. But i'm sure braemar has dive watch too. I'm not familiar with their dive. Watch lineup prey on prey. Mount watches or more pilots watches and field watches. It's more of like an airplane thing true But yeah there we go good with your feet clapping. Techno outlaw says. I'm thinking about buying a mercedes. Three hundred d turbo diesel as a daily My s. l. five hundred is basically the same platform that. Oh wait one one to four. That's not the That's the that's the old e-class the sol's basically the same platform. I don't agree with that at all. but Okay i mean you're talking about an e class from the nineties slab-sided Relatively durable cost a lot of miles on them. They require a specialized maintenance but they are made They're quality items there. It's classic what people think of when they think of a of a german tank. So i mean i don't have any points against i've never driven the diesel one. I drove a three hundred. I guess it would have been an e three hundred. The gas one eighty three twenty. Maybe even a three twenty five is slow but it shouldn't last as very yeah. I had a friend in high school whose parents seek. He got from his parents as a hand. Me down right because we were in high school. Ninety six to two thousand. This car was probably like a ninety three. Maybe so it'd been like ninety seven ninety eight ninety nine. This kid had the car and my friend was a fuck up. He was an addict and he was a fucking problem and he was a bad driver and he was irresponsible is can be and he couldn't kill it and if he couldn't kill it someone who gives a fuck about it brealey probably won't be able to kill it. Shout out to sean from high school Joe crave her says. What is the best horsepower to weight ratio for. Count a canyon carver. I don't. I haven't done the math on power to weight but my favorite canyon cards. Streetcars around four hundred horsepower at the tire and around three thousand two thirty two hundred pounds. That's that's a happy place for me in the canyons. Why do you like it that way versus something like two thousand five hundred twenty eight. There aren't there aren't a lot of cars way. Twenty eight hundred pounds. Where when i really start going fast. I feel confident and planted You know when people start really lightweighting cars to astounding. Low middle twos. I guess you could say like the gunther was really light and that was very fun. put in terms of ideal. You know usually we're talking about cars that have like interiors and stuff like that. You know what i mean. So i i deal yet. Twenty eight hundred to three thousand and like around four hundred horsepower the tires but you know up to thirty two hundred and you're still. You're still all right because i drove. I drove a strip out. Two thousand that was like dynamically an amazing canyon carbon but the loudest thing is you have to drive to and from the canyons. Also like it's not the overall experience of canyons involves going there. Sometimes hanging out bit cruder around like whipping so i think Having a little sound innings nice. We were filming sorted the in the east coast I can't see. I can't say what i was about to say because i'd give up plot points. Sorry i can't do it but let's just say somebody returned later and had taken a thing that i said about their car to heart and made a change and made their car quieter and they lost zero taking their car off a bearable fucking volume still sounded fantastic. Great car sounded great. But it went from. I hate this kill me now. I can't hear anything to oh okay all right and still every bit of super bogey that the car could do yeah. It was excellent. I hope that doesn't give away too much plot Did i answer we. The first question Chinatown town bulls five. Should i get a c. Four or c five corvette as my first corvette five role with corvettes. You either get a nine sixty three to nineteen sixty eight or you. Buy the newest fastest one you can afford. Yep that's it. That's one hundred percent a c. Five will at the worst. It'll sound fast but feel in. Be slow because when i valeted him i was like oh cool and then you get in what's happening with interior. It feels. I know they can be quick. And the chassis are fine but why not get a c. Five there's a lot of value in c four's er ones. They're under appreciated by a lot of the youth and the old people that are dying and selling them aren't getting the money they wanna get for them and you can get. Z are one which is a properly awesome performance machine for not a whole lot of money if you can get into a second. Gen z are one which would be ninety four ninety five do it. Otherwise basically five from ninety seven an op is a superior machine to all see force. That would be my opinion. Yeah the newest fastest corvette that you can afford is always the answer. Unless you're talking about cromer corbett's. Jj more says how would compare the stiffness of the forty-six m three to that as a model of modern sports cars. Such the to see s to the older cars with non adaptive suspension tend to be stiffer than new cars zach. You have a lot of forty-six their way softer like anything. Older tends to be way softer both in terms of how much they lean how they ride I think cars were just made software. That's what that's what people wanted to appoint. That's also the technology allowed. We didn't have adopted suspension. Where you could say at the touch of a button you can go from soft and pliable to firm and track ready. You didn't have that so if you wanted to sell. The car to a larger audience had to be relatively comfortable and stay pretty quiet. The new cis is waste differ than my car. I mean it has a it has a solid mounted rear sub frame and rear bushings in all of these all of the pliability is in suspension whereas forty six. We you probably know has lots of bushings in the back in that soaks up. A lot of No imperfections in the road and a lot of lean. So anything i drove on. Zuckerman z. Thirty nine m five One of the things. I liked so much about it was progressive body roll. I was like holy shit. i all. We've been talking about how flatter cornering always better. But i missed the body role because the body role is how you really feel the weight transfer working for or against you and you just in the middle. That's why the thirty nine m five is such a great driver's car. It's not just because of the four on horsepower v. Eight in the manual transmission which you can get in a lot of other places. It's it's because there's a balance and a fine tune ability. Same reason when jason kameda was up in here. I don't even remember if we had this conversation on the show or after it. But because when commission i record this show goes on for an hour after the fucking show You know he thinks his one. Ninety cosworth is the best car. He's ever driven and i went. I've driven one of those. They're good but not all of that and he basically showed me a video of him driving it on laguna and by just doing a he was able to fuck do the most beautifully controlled body roll initiated slide and it was like just the easiest like exactly the amount of steering in you know what i mean and he was like. I do that every single time like all day. It's a joke and he's like you can't. You just can't do that. In modern cars like turtles small up in you know what i mean. And it's like the whole this whole thing and he's like you can and with you have to do it on the throttle in these new cars. 'cause you sometimes can't transfer the weight as well whereas you you know the break. Yeah right. the byron talks to you about how mu- how fast are you going. How much how much room do you have left before you lean on the tire tired you have left for your sliding exactly exactly Yeah that's good. Eighty nine ford f. Three fifty says. Tell us more about your sailboat. Racing in long island sound When i grew up in i grew up in purchase new york and and then my parents moved to greenwich which like purchases on the side of the border and greenwich the wasp side of the border. The connecticut new york border the jews all live in purchase and the wasp's living greenwich and But yeah i. I always liked sailing and so when i Started going to camp. When i was a kid. I sailed sunfish and zuma's and then zuma twos and then when i had my bar mitzvah when the second time this show talking about my bar mitzvah with this fucking with this bracelet My parents my bar mitzvah gift was a laser. A laser is a A single handed racing dinghy that there. There's an olympic class for it. There's a lot of college level. It's like a it's basically honestly. It's like the spec miata of of sailboats. Google laser sailboat. Okay i looked franck. Sharks yeah what the fuck where looking at laser. So sharks with lasers gotcha laser sailboats. And so i had my parents got me a A laser sailboat which then started Sailing competitively out of riverside yacht club in connecticut. These boats are so awesome. They're basically like sunfish to go really fast They probably can go. Fifteen to eighteen knots like under a heavy whiz. Emmaus power twenty okay. It's pretty fast. All fucking dinghy way. Like twelve pounds. They don't want anything. Nothing i think the whole hall the entire hall is maybe maybe one hundred pounds. And then the madam ashton sale way a little more but the What was i saying. Oh yes sailboats. Right so then. I moved up to Flying scots then. I moved up to J twenty fours which is a twenty four foot team boat and then i went to sailing camp in the caribbean and started sailing bigger boats. I never really went back to To the miatas. Yeah out. Yeah pretty much. Yeah and so And now i get to use that skill to charter. Boats on vacation is very nice. Very nice So blue box of wine. I'm having a kid. I need a car. Bigger than current gulf are of jesus max sixty inch height. I mean jesus. That's that's general. That's a little too general. Get a very Get a Get a well i guess. Mx cx five turbo. I think that's a great car. Mccown or bigger gulf are is a mikan. Do you need more headroom. Genie more cargo room like before hats. Right now do you. How much money do you have. Many questions is a terrible Yeah mccown i would say. The mcconnell is the bigger gulf are That's where i would look if you can't afford a mikan dropped to q. Five or s q five I'm lucas parkin's says i'm interested in getting a fiesta. But budget is a bit tight. What is more important low mileage or recent model year they updated something in the fiesta halfway through the production line run and i cannot remember for the life of me what it was my instinct says lower. Mileage is better than than year. But i straight up. Don't remember what they changed in two thousand sixteen. I'm sorry they're definitely definitely google that Check the forums and So yeah i'd say the age of the person you're buying it from is those cars flag got driven. The younger person is it on that car the more they probably fucked it up Diesel pb says your opinion on the two thousand twelve twenty fifteen chrysler three hundred s rta. I liked that. That was great car i wrote. I got an reviewed one as a press car. And i was writing for somebody. That doesn't exist anymore. I don't remember who it was. I wonder if. I even have the reviews still. I remember driving win at fontana like a media day and two thirteen also got out. I was like why is it so good. It was great. Look great really nice car. I thought it was very weird that they discontinued that it seemed like an easy profit center but they that was strange But it was a very nice car at the time. Yeah how they've held up. I don't know but at the time was very nice. Blue ridge in our thirty four. Gt are from new zealand. I said that my life goal is one by the time they're legal. It's been five years since that video. Where does a perfect seven hundred horsepower. Gt our fall in the list of mythical beasts now Well i owned in our thirty two. Gt are so i did. I did buy one After this And the are thirty. Four is still not legal in america. So i can't really get one in any any kind of above board way at the moment My perfect gt are really isn't seven. Horsepower it's maybe four fifty or so at the tires and very reliable with working air conditioning. So i had a gt gtri. I liked it. I flipped it. I didn't i wouldn't say i flipped it. I accepted an offer that was at the time over market and now kind of on market Sold it and maybe one day. I will have another one Baby right now. I've got a lot of cars less time to drive them then cars so i'm going to try and enjoy the cars i've got and one day i'll get another. Gt are but i've seen some youtubers like ho- like fucking freddie bless his heart was he eighteen cars now so many added a lot of them. Are he forgets about help himself. Bailey forgotten please. Fucking forgetting these cards all cover all over the place like its way out of hand so Since my videos aren't really about my own cars for the most part. I don't have to keep buying sh- by the cars. I wanna drive right now and make videos about other cars but that pretty sure that skyline video is in our top five most viewed videos of all time. jeff. Weiner winer says the current generation rolex air king. Is it a future classic. Willett appreciate in value like sa- mariners. I have to say probably not I like the air. King is a nice watch. It fits a lot of people's really well not mine too small but A they don't really sell for over market now. rolexes fall into two two two different rel- camps Vintage stuff that is rare and sort of collectible because it's old and then And it was used as tool watches and so there aren't a lot left. And then you've got the modern stuff that's that's intentionally scarce and therefore priced over market. The air king really isn't that watch So i think they. They remain kind of hovering around sticker price. And i think if you go on crowning caliber i think. Maybe they're they're around sticker. I don't i. Don't i don't see the explore non explorer to and the air king. I don't really see as being appreciating The same way the the dive watches do And the last questions accu hand was also a watch question. Oh there's two more The sean official says i'm looking into saco five automatic. Same sean just get your saco. Can i recommend anything better at that price than a seiko dive watch. I cannot get it. Get get that Aperture three d. printing I have an f. r. s daily driver is spending five thousand dollars for a pump gas. Two hundred and eighty horsepower. Carb compliant supercharged setup. Tuning out of class. Should i save for a seven one eight instead now. I've driven biard r. z. Or and he's one of eighty six with that road tricks super charger on it. That was about to eighty the wheel and it was very very nice. So you're almost tuning out of class. You're getting pretty close to tuning out of class. But i would say you're it's not quite tuning out of class. It's you know what i mean like i. I've never heard that term. You heard me say that. I tell you about something to talk about tuning out of class. It's like if you if you could just get a lot better car right with the same money that you're putting into this car you can't i mean depending on what you bought your for us for fifteen grand let's say like us market and you put a supercharge on it for five grand. What are you getting for twenty. You get it you also zero sixty five. Yeah do you own the car outright. Are you making payments on it. Is there a warranty. You know is it are. Are you buying the car for this or do you already have it. And it's well. Maybe i'll sell it or maybe all model. I would say if you've already got the car and you like it five k. for that increase in performance. It's a lot of money but it's a big increase that for him. Yeah and If it's going to be that or get rid of the car a b. r. z. Or eighty six plus five k. On trade isn't gonna get you some amazing other car you know saving for a seven eight. You're now talking about quite a lot more money. And i don't know that now we're in a fun now. It's a finance question not really a car question. The best seven eight nine. Gts maybe just s. What does that forty grand in has no idea. I don't. I haven't looked like lot more for sure. It's a lot more. You could get a good corvette for the same money as an efforts with a superstar and all that stuff but like you said if you already have the us which i like a lot of that car and it'd be it'd be cool experience to have as an f. r. S with a super charger on it. If assuming it's that road tricks is in a lot of ways more fun than abass. Corvette base corvette does a lot of things well. But it's not it's not everything it's not necessarily like an inspiring drive whereas actually that yeah platefuls the right work. Yeah so anyway. I wouldn't be i wouldn't be like really Man it's hard. It's a lot of. It is a lot of money but but the roi like the power. You get a lot so going back to. Did you see his post like six months ago. He bought yeah for his bmw. And got got zero. Larry camps for bmw to grant you know camps from my car like two thousand dollars. That's so funny. When the last time was that someone like dino tested those camps after putting them in a long long time right and you look at your eighty horsepower. A ton of tour. Yeah i think really liked that whole setup. I think it's an awesome sight. I think it's a good setup to and if you already like the car stick with it and then a couple We had one more slide into me last question. Everybody jason peres says. My girl wants me to buy it. I know more about toasters than watches of those any good. They fall into A porsche not really their fashion. They're kind of what you'd call them all watch the fashion watch. It's not like horrible like it but it's not in terms of like watches like like want like a with the mechanical things that watch people like about them not really not really Andy said if i had to do a project car today what would it be I don't know something. Something japanese probably. I dunno just seems like japanese cars are good for doing projects which love a good five ten. But i know that the deaths in five seven. It'd be a full build of some kind or like an old mustang. I wish honda made a like a rear wheel. Drive car that. I fit in like i can't drive. S to thousands. Because they're just not comfortable my knees and the a non adjustable steering wheel like i wish. They made a car that i fit in better because i would really enjoy that And i really enjoyed racing that little honda coop thought it was superfund. The drive like Yeah a little honda. Maybe but i don't i but it's really nice to not have project car. Yeah because they work work. Yeah donny's returning donny's unfunny ferrari right now. I mean it wasn't like fucked. Donny's returning my car to one hundred percent factory spec which is where i want that car o Serum says thank you for all the things. Oh i think the serum. Yeah don't worry about mispronouncing your name point taken. That's our show for today guys. That's what i got. My brain is ended and that means the show. It's the best part of being your own boss and not having to fill a specific radio block. I don't is this going to air. Before new year's i don't think so. We have all right well since we've already recorded the ones before this. I hope you've had a good new year's. I hope twenty twenty one works out for all of you better than this fucking year Thanks for your time. Everyone we will see you later bye.
Dave Navarro OD'd and Was Left for Dead
"Aren't you tired of hearing opinions. That are just plain wrong will hi. I'm trey kennedy comedian. And host of correct opinions podcast. Every opinion is correct. Live each week. I'll rose the internet's craziest trends in the most baffling baby names to hopefully make you laugh. But also to make sure we're all the same base because you name it get like moon or something you on the show okay. I got internet for the funds videos. And cringes moments and i give you my opinions on everything on the web which luckily for you again correct. So police subscribe to correct opinions with trae kennedy available free on apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to another episode of worse. I it's been words. I wasn't going to do a podcast this week. Because i was so depressed and Today's microbes data bed. Some proud of myself for that But yeah we lost wicky last week after sixteen years of life which is a long time. It's a really long time. And if i might add you. Were going to cancel this. I was gonna cancel the at i. I kind of pushed you sorry. I was like where you're grieving. Maybe the best thing to do is to sit down with somebody who knows grief. Yes and talk about it rather than have it spin in your head so here we are here. We are guys with dave navarro. Obviously without engineer doesn't need an introduction But i'm so glad that you did. Tell me let's do it because i was dru feel better already i do. I just feel better. That i got like outta bed got dress. You know got myself going. You know that's like helpful you know and obviously you when we go through like incredible pain and grief like our own self care suffers began. Were so just mashed within the grief. That like the idea of getting in the shower. It's like for what my life. I'm not showing up for anything. Yeah it's like. I know the feeling and i have a dog and i'm already worried about when he goes. You know the dog is he. He's he's like a yorkie mixed mutt like a rescue. So but like i kept telling my my girlfriend i was like we're spending thousands of dollars and thousands of hours. Yeah into something. That's going to eventually tear our hearts my nine. Tell me about this wrong with. I know i kind of feel like that's it's like that's the hardest thing but i feel like the love they give is so pure and it's so worth it. It's like grief i read. Grief is the price you pay for loving so much resonates. Yeah right isn't a. I'm going through grieving process myself right now. But it's it's manageable. Because i know that the the decision that made that would made that led to that grieving process. Was the right decision for myself for everybody around. So it's okay to grieve even if for instance You part with somebody and you still love them and you still honor them and you still want them to be happy and successful. You're still going to be sad like the sadness isn't there's no shortcuts around that. What is admirable about you. Is that you you lost something you loved and you felt it and you flooded out and you've expressed it and you cried and you did all the right. Things were a lot of people will turn to substances or stuffs that down with some other behavior. Whether it's sex shopping. You know what i mean. I just i couldn't. I mean i just was like oh i just. I don't know i get like physical. I don't know. Did you feel physically. We're going to talk about everything that you've been through because i mean i don't know if my listeners might not know this But you know you wash your mother vero tragic tragic way as your fifteen years old and you am. I allowed talk about your dot year documentary. You can talk about anything you want. Okay so dave. Did this amazing film. Which i really hope gets released for everyone to see called morning sun. And it's about the whole experience of him losing his mother and all the details about kind of you know use solid coming which is kind of scary. That was one of those things at fifteen. I had this sense that my mom was going to die. And i felt the energy and when it happened for some reason i was so a muted all those gifts i had all that intuition trusting myself trusting my judgment and then when you ever fuck thought and you're like well the last fuck thought i had came true so now this one come true right knee whereas case scenario all the time but you know us it's like we just think fucked up. I think are over completely untrue. My husband literally calls me. wcbs worse case scenario. Because 'cause i will find worst possible thing that could happen. He'd be like. Let's go to bali and i'll be like we have a heart attack in the forest. What are they gonna do. I'm not down with that. I have to be medevac out of thank you. I want cedars-sinai right down the street with you see But okay so. I wanna get back to like so you were fifteen and i watch documenting and i'm not gonna give away obviously too much but your mother was murdered. That's the whole ending. You gave it away But i'm not gonna say how like how do so many details that are in it. That will the movie is about my mom's murder. She has a domestic violence situation boyfriend who she broke up with decided that he was gonna kill her. That's his solution. Which is which is by the way about the most pussy solution ever because most people deal with pain and move on and learn to grow. And if you can't. I mean like so that aside and that's my resentment showing The of the film deals with with with where i went as a child Turning to music turning to really seriously bad drug addiction You know cut myself really really a bloodletting a lot of really just extreme measures. Whatever i could do to get myself out of what. I was feeling. You know what i mean. And i'm here to tell you that they didn't work. They were fun when i was in high school. And i remember like it was like yeah like the bloodletting when i would see all the blood come out. I remember being like like relief. I know you release endorphins. And only and only people who are as Diagnose as we are Understand the lure of that and then when it got into syringes and take out as much blood as i wanted that was you know it was. It was on so Yeah so then. I went through the drug phase. I went through the self harm phase. I went through you. Know whatever whatever destructive phase. Even if i thought it was in the name of art like i would convince myself that i'm gonna do this. Great big huge thing and it's okay and it's in the name of art but then it would really be kind of a dangerous dangerous poject for me so and the movie itself turned it out to be a little dangerous because it was really triggering because thirty years ago my mom was killed. And then you know. Six years ago. I started digging up archival footage and court transcripts and and had to hire private investigators and and news organizations to give footage of stuff that i lost and found out information. I didn't know so it was really a. I mean you had so much footage i mean. Just even all her as she was. The most susan actress an actor. It'll like just looking. It was like watching like a like it was like you know watching like a famous actress in like all the commercials everything. She did always. I've always you know. It's my mom's of course i feel a special towards her but i've always liked endure to having a sharon tate quality. I was just gonna say that. I was gonna say i was like. She literally reminded me of sharon tate which are like so tragic. Yes no matter what. Yeah what angle what. She's doing what she's saying like if she's in the middle of a sentence and they snap a picture and she's talking still gorgeous. You know that thing. Her making a making food at the counter paying attention to slip beautiful beautiful and such a loving mother she. Your bond looked like it was. So i and i still have it. That's the thing. I still have that. I lost it for a long time after making the movie and after doing a lot of work and doing cognitive therapy and some groups in an shit together on on a mental health level I'm able to get a good memories back of my mom that it used to be mom. Death don't wanna talk about it now. Like oh man remember how great christmases were. I think you can get into that and And feel it and own it and have it bring a smile to my face as opposed to sadness and you're an only child too right. Yeah so yeah. Yeah well yes. I had no no sibling to go man. This is fucked up. You're supposed to be there that night. Which is so also supposed to be there so I in reflection like if i was supposed to be at the house on the night that she was killed. I would've been killed. So if i reflect back on that and say you know why you know the the obvious question god. Why did this have to happen. If there's a god why would this happen blah blah in we. We all ask that. But god was looking out for me. You know guide did take an i can find spiritual gifts out of that situation because as horrible as it was as sad as it was had it not been for that event i probably would not have gone into the arts and the creative world that i went to and been able to share that story with us. Whoever else and the reason i chose to put it out mean it's been out it's on amazon. It's called moa is on amazon. Yeah it's all you guys have to watch it. It's called morning birds. Mou u. n. i. n. g. morning sadness. Earning son on amazon. The reason watch. It's so good. The reason i made it free because we're ending the year in the whole world is kind of dealt with ptsd of the lockdown and the covert and you know not making a living in store everything. We've been through the election. And so i think the world has a greater understanding of boy. Ptsd and suffering is and i just wanted to share a period of my life. That seemed insurmountable yet was in so when you made it through it and it made it through so to show that now in this current climate things will change. You know and i have lost. Maybe eight friends this year a couple of suicides a couple of overdoses just because the isolation that people are are having a hard time with and i think about someone like you and me who have a mental health issues sitting alone in a studio apartment on sweetser for a year and the shit. You're gonna think up in that time. Yeah you're damn right. You're going to get high. You know what. I mean unless you take some action. I definitely not. I mean even my girlfriends who are single and they were just like i have friends that have never had anxiety or depression really in their whole lives and now because they were like at home alone lost their jobs like didn't have money for rent had to scrounge for food and like they were like i am having. I had a panic attack and i never even knew that was like called me. And they're like. I'm so sorry forever. You know making you feel like that was something really weird and crazy. Because i've never experienced it now. I had one. And i would never wish on my worst enemy. I'm actually really glad that you brought that up. Because know i started. I started a an art clothing line of thing. That's geared around mental health and see and raising that stigma. No so like we used. You know if you think about the twenties and the russia has sin they would say look at. This ain't plot is no right or wrong answer yet if you get the wrong answer you're locked up in a horse or is it a guy tearing his face off. Yeah you better say horse. Yeah so You know the the healing and the progression that we've had in just in just self help and self care has been so phenomenal over the years and our line is called detailed analysis because there's two of us And it's all about just accepting you are so this is this is our original design. Which is that rohrschack test. Are they butterflies. Are they guns. We don't care what your answer is. Because we're not gonna lock you up because we're gonna accept you and then here's another one this a random. One insanity is its own cure which is just south acceptance. I got this thing. And i love myself anyway and i'm special. I am so glad that you're here saying this for so long and even still now like i have people because i talk about mental health so much you know because it helps me god loves it helps a lot of other people so many other people but every once in a while i'll get some random dude that's like tommy is gonna leave you because you're fucking crazy and like why are you so anxiety ridden just chill the fuck out. Don't get it you commented. I know they're like like like people. Just don't even understand and so like you know the people that do understand you know are like oh my god. I totally get it. You know it. And that's the thing is everyone is different. You know. I think a lot of people understand. And i think a lot of people are undiagnosed and i think that There's this myth that it's a vulnerability. Share the vulnerabilities a weakness to share. And ask for help is a weakness where i say. It's fucking superpower if you have the strength to reach out and ask for help when you need it. You're you're fucking hero. No because friends of have we lost. That didn't do that bro. You know what i mean. And and tommy sitting here by the way. That's why i'm talking to you but we've lost so many friends to this kind of stuff it's overdoses or depression or suicide and you know these are talented beautiful souls and and i always thought about it and always related especially when chris cornell kill himself because and tommy i don't know if you relate or whatever but i know what it's like being on because he did a show and then he went to his hotel room and he hung himself and i was like. Wow 'cause i know what he felt like during that show. I know what it's like to be there into hating everybody. Aiding yourself hating what you're doing and having to do anyway and i think he just said enough's enough man. I can't do this anymore. Nearly as as young musicians we we have these goals and dreams if we get signed then. I'm going to be cool. If if we on the radio that i'm going to be called. We get nominated for a grammy. Then i'm gonna be calling all these little little finish lines that we keep happening in your stomach. Yeah there's just no finish line. I feel like everyone does. I mean even with me with my own life on my once. I'm a millionaire. Maybe cool once. I'm this. I'm going to be be happier once i like. I'm not having zayed's anymore and it's like it doesn't know 'cause thanks trauma physiologically lives within your body. Yeah on a physical level so we carry it like my hands. Aren't shaking now but typically they are sweaty. Yeah get all those symptoms. But so what dual diagnosis wants to do. Raise the stigma of that being something to be ashamed of. I we like it to soldiers who oversees and they serve they serve our country and they come home with ptsd e and they get a medal right their heroes their fucking shit they saw and they can't like you can't get those images out of their house. They have to live with that the rest of their life and the right. Here's why is it. Why is it that the people the people that suffer and are striving to live through it anyway. Yeah that's shameful. So what i'm trying to do is say no man anybody who's willing to stick around through their struggles and do what it takes to get into a better place in with the key being share that with others You got it made stepping into your power into your light and While we're on the subject of dual diagnosis. I brought gift for you dead. This was handmade by myself. And my partner. Padilla and tommy is gonna hate it. I'll show you why. Yeah so. I'm gonna say where this tommy's car at all times where this to bed at all times but this is all we handed all this and this is just for you as a gift and Yeah that's all and then. This is a trigger finger. Just a trigger. It's not real. You know what. I mean just to remind you. It's all it's a trigger and then this is this right now. That says trauma kids. But it's in a different font that i created and i feel like trauma. Kids are the ones that that the ones that survive are the ones that carry the message. Ray welcome and yeah. I am pretty sure that glitters going to stay put. So if anyone wants to get that. Is it just all diagnosis. Dot com okay. We'll diagnosis dot com and we do an array of different things in smaller. By an end items and higher end items a- an artwork to street are two. What is your diagnosis. While the dual in that name is because i have a part okay. Okay so you don't have to probably have multiple multiple in the name dual diagnosis. If you hold it up. It's two guns. Making a butterfly and two guns would would be necessary for dual which is a battle but we spell the dual. Because there's two of us because we're actually stopping the battle and having a meet your partner. How did how did you guys come together. She's a great street artist. Named fuck yourself. I've heard of her brilliant. And she. And i we connected on the street just working together doing art and We we. I hope she doesn't mind me. I mean. of course she won't mind but we both struggle and we both have grandiose dreams and we'll call each other the next day and say i'm under the covers and it's not going to happen today and we both get know what i mean Those days yeah so so But she and i met just really aren't seeing the street. Artsy we decided. We didn't really wanna make a brand. We wanted to make a movement so we encourage people to just take our imagery. Take our clothing. Make your own. Cut it up that tacking on a back of a jacket with safety pin. You don't give a fuck just represent and and take pride in who you are. Because i for instance you said where my diagnosis is. Why got bipolar disorder. I've got anxiety. I've got depression. I got drug addiction sex addiction. I you know you name it I had to eating source for many years did you. What like anorexia. Or well i i. I tried that. But i got to hungry here. Like i'm just going to throw it out like this is much easier if you and this is not a tip knows ted. This isn't like Inspiration pro tip. Yeah all you want then shoot heroin and it all comes out. Oh up right well. Yeah you get sick when you when you hit when you hit a blast but i'm kidding but the drug addiction and and and vomiting from the just use of needles all the time. Got me into a place where i felt i felt best feeling empty and then when i quit doing the drugs i struggle with the anorexic eating disorder control issues all the fun stuff and like nobody ever noticed a fucking difference but me and one day i was just like i'm suffering for nothing especially for men because a lot of people like eating disorders are affect men so much as well. You know well you you have to be married to one of the tallest skinniest most handsome guys in the world. mother fucker. He hi are you kidding. Whatever the fuck wants fucking clam on. The planet smokes thousands of cigarettes a day. We got his lungs. Checked clear as fucking by the way i had to do it. I had to do it. Even though the whistle in my long he has a was. I heard you ever whistling at night. I'm like a balloon deflating. We're actually going to go again. But i mean here. He did get a check and they said he was all good. I mean he's just like invincible. Like a moment. Like i was telling you we were reminiscent earlier when we were doing the rockstar show rockstar supernova. You got many many years ago like we would be set for like we get there the first thing in the morning first of all tommy would come in it a yeager machine in his dressing room and he would start hitting that thing at nine during the minded bitel this stuff. This is the best. This is behind the scenes stuff and by the time it was go time. Like we're live and mark burnett creator survivor. And all these fucking huge shows ready to go and tommy sitting on the panel naked and he refuses to put clothes on and it's going live so people. Do you remember that. That role is just getting naked. Let's do it and we were just sitting there naked. You are too. I think i did i. I must have at least. It was not hard to get me naked back convincing you to take out. You're like oh good. I'm not taking my dick out around. Tommy but those those days i was i was a little bit freer with the looseness but but anyway so we would have those days. They will go on for twelve hours because there's rehearsals through. There's all kinds of shit then the show happens and you're fucking white dust and then. Tom was like bro. We're going to the club right. Now get your shit and my are you out of your mind. How do you do this. And it's just like you know. Has this energy. He'll never lose it because my singer perry farrell is that the same way. It doesn't matter. I mean just wired. God willing doesn't matter what he does. Were you know how how much damage is done to his body. How much harshness has taken place on the stage. He'll look younger and stronger. And better than everybody else. It's just fucking it's unreal. We run into him in hawaii and his wife and he looked great. It's crazy look like the same. He's looked since he's old a six years old do every good but Almost of you look good. But i mean fuck. It's kinda crazy you know. It's it's interesting and did your ban members know you're going to do this stuff too. I know i mean well. I mean in the in the early days like in the eighties and early nineties and jane's addiction. Like i was a kid i was seventeen. Eighteen years old. You know. I don't know if you know this is all tommy is to load motley crue gear into the troubadour. He told me that. I used to just show up to help load jerk just to be close to it. Yeah because it meant that much to me. Was he nice guy. Well get their way before he gets. Oh you know some just loading in gear like you'd be like you guys need help you just learn to do free and then we will go in and watch the show on fucking loaded that cabinet up there myself and the so stoked and that's what we did you know you had i. I really miss that time of music where it wasn't just so instantly digitally available. Although i love that we have that. But being down in the trenches doing what it takes and doing the work and doing seven guys in a van for three years with a fucking no cellphones or computers. Like people don't know how to are like that anymore. Now i'm you know he killed himself. We had to pick up payphone and hope. The person was home to answer the phone if we wanted to reach anybody. I mean lives fucking isolated. When did you guys get your big big break. Like what was your biggest break. I think i think in around nineteen ninety when nothing shocking came out we started getting a little bit of airplay and and all of that but You know we. We imploded As a result of my you know my drug addiction in all of us had had yes some something or another but we've were still abandoned. I mean we play. I love that and that's years and years later like it's amazing. I think it's like You can identify with this. It's like every time someone says they quit or it's over. I hear it as hiatus. Because i just i just know it's like it's we're joined together at the no matter what we're family no matter what. There's a great eagles documentary. Where the guys it'd be. We haven't seen that. It's fucking because it's warts and all do they go off on each other. It's dough and but would they came to conclude is that we are all stronger together than on our own. Yeah married you guys are married and it's like being married for a really long time you're gonna like someone also married to three other people. Have huge egos just like you and everybody wants the same fucking day. And that's your family whether you like it or not and you're in a fucking u-haul pulling van that's taking you from orlando to jacksonville and you hate each other. It's it's you gotta love the music to put up with Yeah yeah you gotta love what you're doing. That's and i get asked all the time by young musicians like bro. Do you have any advice you know. I'm just trying to guess my advice is make sure you fucking love this because there's no guarantees first of all if you're doing this for the house or the car the girl put it down. Yeah it's not for you. You know what. I mean like the just this is not how it works bonuses but yeah i mean if it works in those are bonuses. That's great but that's your. That's your intent. Talk more then. It's not going to resonate with anybody. You know what. I mean and So that really mattered to me. But get my my history with with molly. crews i mean me and are the drummer's of jane's addiction would stop those guys you know that is so funny none of their homes but right but i mean just where they were playing right because it was like yeah and then and then stephen ended up playing with tommy and methods of mayhem and went on tour with him which was a dream. Come true for him. Oh yeah i mean the The incestuous magic of all of this small. It's great it's great but like had it not been for the happened. I wouldn't i might not be here began guitar. You think but i. I was already playing guitar but i think once i got to go down into the i was thirteen. Fourteen fifteen and also right around the time. My mom died which was really special for me to have some ten escape and then we had that i. I don't wanna make this an interview about tommy and we'll get back now we'll get back to. How fucked up. We are second. But i think him all the time. Let's talk about something i'd say. At an original it was an independent release of the too fast for love. Or as. that's the one we had. that's one we knew and And then they guess remixed it for electro whatever when they got when they got big. But i mean so for me in our drummer to be having to discover something and look at the record and see the guys. Look fucking cool. I wonder what this sounds like and put it on like holy fucking never heard anything mixed guitar. Sounded like a fucking. He was using a buzzsaw on his. You know what i mean instead of a pick like we were like what is going on and we went and saw them and we were blown away from that moment on. We just stayed in hollywood and just like if they were playing we would show up. How grew fucking whatever we could do at a couple run ins with them and they were always very cool You know but. I'm sure that they don't remember was like we were the kids. We were the kids and and that that was the moment where i got into those rooms and i smelled stale beer and the cigarettes. And the fucking cable's in the house lights and the grime and anos like this. Does this candle was like. I really felt like yeah. I know what i mean. I love it. There's nothing i don't want to ever come between the in this and So i made it my life. Yeah so when you were playing guitar before your mom passed and then after she passed you still you did you say would you say more immersed into way more something to take you away once my mom. Yeah luckily i had something creative to to funnel that energy and just like you're doing this. Yeah that's that's the key. You gotta have some need something. Yeah that's channel through multiple things. I mean you do the art. You do the music i paint like i do. This is so many things many things as you can to kind of funnel that energy and being who we are we have to watch the mania of trying to like scrambling get eighteen projects done in an hour and then you go to sleep like a whole day to like resorts he's laughing. He's married to that girl. Yeah he is awesome. It's awesome and you're great. you're gone. I mean i'm like you know and the funny thing is is. I think there's like again this whole stigma of like if you have mental health issues that you're like a fucking psycho and you're crazy and all this shit but it's not even like that. It's like mental. Health issues can look so many different ways for people like you know like you said the mania like i can get really invested in a project that be all and focused on my husband will be like what are you doing like you're running around the house like doing all these things and it's like oh i gotta do this like you know. It's not like it's like a thing where my running around with a knife being fucking crazy with. It's like many actually for those of us who don't suffer from. I don't think i have bipolar. But i definitely have like days were all. I just have so much enlightened. Like those are my favorite best. As i would say that i would say that if you suffer from bi-polarity or depression the mania is your gift. People love it. Because i can get thirty things done in a day. Yeah in that state. I just have to be aware that there's gonna crash from and how long do you usually get out of how many days you get usually of your mania. I made it really. I mean i could wake up the next day and be fine. It could take two weeks you know. Sometimes it's followed by a lot of tears you know because it's just such an outpour but i hang heidi's exhausted physically exhausted but i've come to welcome the tears because i know that that's energy that needs to leave the body. That's so bad. So when you're driving down the road and you almost hit a deer and the dearest ending the road and shaking like that human beings don't have that but the deer shaking because it's traumatized and what its body is is releasing the trauma in the deer. So he can go on and have his life so as human beings we don't have that component where it's built into our physiology but we do need to let these things out or they will run our lives and then ended up dictating future narratives. That are completely untrue. That will they keep us in the dark really. So i'm i'm just super i'm just in a place right now. Where i'm i'm happy to do this project that that can spread that kind of. We're not trying to make raise the stigma of mental health. We're trying to make it fucking cool. Put it this way. You think vincent van gogh was the most well balanced guy in the world. Now fucking genius air so many artists and every one of my favorite artists are fucking people musicians. Artists were fucking crazy. Yeah you know what i mean. People are i'd say that otherwise it's fucking boring. I mean he's thomas crazy in his own brand. I don't think he has like mental health issues. But you're definitely just fucking he's just under fucking crazy man. I mean well. Here's the thing. He doesn't mental health issues but he instantaneously acts upon any thought that he has. And just like. I'm doing this. Fuck yeah and he just fucking goes that. And that's you know what i mean. Yeah yeah yeah whatever it is. You'll have the idea. And then he'll have like the tempo ready for five seconds. You know what i mean. And then it's just non stop until that things done. That's his thing. Our thing is maybe a little deeper and we. I know everybody's troubled everybody's law something. Everybody knows sadness Some people are more sensitive to it than others. Some people have had upbringings that have made them more sensitive to it and I certainly have so Anything i can do to help you know. Cool you out with your mental disabilities your a magician. You get support. It's like it's nice to know where you're welcome and this is a place where you're welcome and this is the place where you're supported and understood and it's not you know not shamed for it because you're not shame thing. We have a phrase endure diagnosis. That says shame never saved. Anyone know can spend all the time you on feeling ashamed. But you're not gonna get better. Yeah so dropped the shame. Shame and So that's i mean that's our whole our whole messaging and that's our whole thing and like i think it's fucking cool man i look at somebody like I look at somebody. Like van gogh was very troubled. Guy who did incredible paintings change the shape art forever and he had yet studio that he worked with gauguin in and they hated each other guy cut his ear off for a girl like that guy would be put away right but look at his art so whatever whatever mental disability he may have had he found a way to channel that into something that's greatness. Just like you're doing now. You're finding a way to channel something that's going on with you into greatness as probably reaching a lot of people that need to hear it. We have a lot of listeners. Which is really fantastic. And i'm so grateful for you guys. That's what that's what we're doing with that. And that's how. I wanna live my life here man. We're in the back nine yeah. I don't got time for suffering. I did that. What are your views on death like. I'm very curious. Like what how i mean. Obviously going through so much trauma and death. I handed the thing. I i have a big fear of death. I mean holy. Here's one thing i can tell you. You don't have to be afraid of it because it will for sure happen. Feel better dave no fear. I can't get our way from it. Which is a horrible thing and my dad tells me he's like well everyone's going to die. Doesn't that comfort. You like no one. No one's gonna live forever. Mike yeah but like i just feel like other people will be able to handle it better like me. I feel i'm own death or the others. I am obviously care if my loved ones die but my own data. Because i'm so aware all the time of everything going on in my body to be nice to take a break from that. Look at look at it that way. You won't be thinking about nothing not community that way. It's it's true lies. i'm constantly going dreams. I'm like all that kind of i do remember i. I had kidney failure when i was eighteen really randomly. I was just like in a bad place doing bad things. And i got kidney failure really randomly and i almost died because it turned into sepsis and i was in the hospital for a week and i remember they like pump. You full morphine. You're like really on the edge. That sounds good and it makes you not feel anything. And i remember the doctor coming in and going i said are my guys i i was so out of it. He was like. I honestly do not know. And i i remember like normally that would have been like go to shit myself. But like i was on some big you so much more of you need so many drugs tell you. They're conscious of that too conscious of the fact that they are about to deliver news. That is very elevator They keep you just kind of like you're like this so like we get the worst news and you're kind of just like oh yeah you can't really process it and that only that almost comforted me when my dog was passing and he was barely able to breathe in. The doctor came to the house. Ida that come to the house. And i asked her to save him and she's like he's already halfway gone like i can't save him and she's like what i do is i give him like Morphine in one shot for a dog and it puts them in like a sedate. Completely sedated spot a suffering out of suffering. They don't feel a thing and he just kind of want complete relax and then they do the injection and it slowly stops their heart in it. It's just very peaceful Euthanasia accidents good death. That i didn't but it makes sense because it's a it's a it's a humane death and and you and you were there to witness it. You can hold him. it was on. I mean you even added to got to have it be on your terms you know in a in a strange way to be the most comforting loving thing you could do a pains not gonna go away and quicker but know that you know you were there with that dog till his last breath and he knew it Yes my my feelings about it. Like go back and forth. I you know The happier i get the older. I get the happier and happier. I get the less. I wanted to scary when your life starts to get really good. That's the thing with me. Is that my life has gotten used to want to kill myself all the time in high school. I used high belter on my neck style. I used to myself. I was institutionalized. Made many attempts believe i used to pray to god to just kill me and my life i got away from all the things that were hurting me and i moved out here and i got my life together and i became really happy and i was like fuck shit. No wish death upon myself so many times in those years mike. Is there like a backlog. Is this going to get to god. Like at the wrong time backlog. It's all it's because it's all evolving and growing and that's what it's about so there's there's no consequence for thought. You had thirteen years ago but the thing the thing for me is that You know i just. I know it's going to happen. I'm not too terrified of it. I'm not cavalier about it. Like a rather. It doesn't but you know. I feel that if i've looked at all the signs in my life. Here's a little story so my ex girlfriend Was in desperate need of Outpatient treatment we wanted to get into like a little group that she could go work on her recovery And so one night. I was out with a friend of mine named magazine. And we will your team and we just spray painted. This building help is on the way because we found this building. Had this really long black wall help is on the way because we just want the world to know that like we're gonna be okay. Two weeks later my ex girlfriend shows up for her. I'll be that building. And so i think to myself if magic in cosmic Connections happen like that on such a profound level throughout my life in my look at them. And i'm and i really eight. I try to take them in and i become aware of them than i am at peace. Because i know there's way more to it than just what we're looking at. You know because there have been evidence. There's been evidence of cosmic interaction in my life. That's undeniable. what else. Tell me more. I mean just i mean i can't even just the way people me just the way people the way i went to see molly crew and now there's a band. Jane's addiction that kind of evolution. Do you know what. I'm talking about like things. Get better you just it takes the time and it takes the work and in in the work is the hard part so for that. I do a lot of a lot of one on one therapy. I do some. I do a lot of Trial studies that our. I would say that people. There's some trial studies with ketamine. All i've heard about the Have you done the ketamine treatment. Tell me everything how did how did you feel. Is it like just doing ketamine and unknown certain no and the same thing with mba. It's not like you're going to some dudes house in silver lake. A two in the morning government going to get he'll bro- trust meals. Cook it on the stove. A medical facility in like you know there's iv drip and. That's what i don't like 'cause. I dissociate regularly myself where i feel like myself is over here. Sometimes and i hate that ketamine. I heard does do that. It's very dissociate but dissociated in the sense that you wouldn't even know your brittany anymore you're just in a thing your your soul is in you leave your body. I'm not gonna say that. I'm just gonna say sense of ego is gone which is sense of who. I am what i'm doing here. What i'm about my name like all that goes away. It's ego death. You feel calm and you feel like relaxed and only with a doctor. I'm not. I would. Never i would never advise someone to go. Get some k- yeah. That's stupid ray. If someone suffering from depression it's an option that is actually legal. Now that's what i've heard about. What the what the thinking is that. It helps create new neuro pathways in your brain time. So you and i run the same fear we the the center rain that goes to the middle which is a fierce. Enter your brain. It's just and it's going back and forth and back and forth and back and forth and back and forth. what this does is open another panel. Oh wait a minute we can maybe try this path and maybe another solution craze. So you're just not spiraling out and spinning on something that you have no control over anyway so when you walk out of that treatment how do you feel like how so how long you're like thirty minutes. Forty minutes You walk out of it. You feel like You know base income spacey but you come back to earth pretty quick. it's not You know. I wouldn't recommend driving car home but come home and There's no there's no magical like a ha moment like everything's better. Yeah because this is working on a neurological level. So with that kind of treatment you have to go multiple times there's sessions and there's an ethic and there's integration which is really really important part of it which is discussing with either team or the doctor whoever what came up with you through that journey how that how that applies to your life and what about that you can change with love. That's what we look for. You know on. So how many times have you done a man. I don't even know like a lot. Oh yeah okay so do you feel like the you that when you started versus you now you see a big change. It's hard to say. Because when i started i was in crisis you know i had a big crisis happening in my life so it was very hard to weigh any benefits of anything. I was doing because once i came back just back in crisis again so there was like you open up. I just told them you're opening up new era pathways for the same information to get to me faster but it worked eight so i tabled that for a while. And then i got into just some straight up therapies straight up relationship therapy straight up you know psychiatry and working with with that because there's just fucking no shame in encina psychiatrist and and having a little support if you need it. If you have a headache you can take an aspirin so if you have clinical depression yeah like you need some fucking hell right. You're right. I mean and there's a lot of You know and i do work with psychedelics. Right you know as as a tool not as a solution as a tool. Hello everyone and thank you for tuning into another episode of worse. I guess what makes me really happy poppies. Because what else makes me really happy sarabi. That's right therapy is very helpful as you guys know. I'm very vocal about my mental health on here and pretty much just in life in general. I don't think there's a need to be ashamed or you know. I don't really see the stigma behind it. 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K- so the character is so that character. He's short movie. That's his own insulated environment that he built to surround himself at babe there. It is the dual diagnosis guy. Who's a short film on our site that you can watch about him and what. That guy has been so traumatized that he had to build his own environment with his own air where nobody could touch germ dow in his own little in environment and that way he could interact with the warwick. Would you went short film as he from. Or what are we on the on the dual diagnosed him. Oh yeah heart of your creation this multidimensional. It's not just swag dimensional film are watch your film. It's really cool. No the film on this diagnosis film. He's in there. So yes. That's so i love that okay. So we were talking about. Yeah like just the stigma behind taking anything or trying to help yourself. If you're struggling. Yeah i don't. I think that the days of feeling bad about that or over folks ask. Let's let's let's let's do away with. I feel bad because and don't let anyone in any twelve step program. Give you shit about something that you may or may not take because in the literature it says outside issues and some of us need other other help and it's and if you really want the fucking truth in bill story which is in the alcoholics anonymous book as bills partial story. They left out a lot and they left out all the part where he worked with psychedelics. To find out who he was. What kind of psychedelics. Ls everything lsd at. The time at the at the time was alyce right. Sometimes you do to help. It helps with depression right. Obviously but then isn't come down from that so the md main again. This is not me advising any right right to anybody's hearing this and has any interest. Look it up Dr your research. Don't contact me. i can't help you. These people start message on britney. Get some ketamine. I don't you know we go through you. Know it's it's we're in trials with with the md may not even out but If you if you you know if you apply the except you then you can get jar and so that is a whole nother experience where you are cognitive. And it whole it holds your heart and safety so you can access the scary things that you otherwise wouldn't access because you know you're safe and the comedown. Yeah it can be rough. But there are. Now that this is becoming medically tested and done by scientists in laboratories. Those come downs are not as bad because they're gearing this medicine for this kind of trauma. Work so I've had great success with it But it's it's not for everybody. It's not and you don't have to you. Don't i never done i want girl. Let's go to. We'll do it but you'll want to do it in peru or something now. Tommy wants to do it. There's no help just in case it goes wrong. i wanted to do it at the peninsula. We have a lady. We actually are friends with our our my friend sara lee. She's a actually a pet communicator. Which she's amazing and she can talk to animals which is fucking crazy. I know it sounds crazy. But she's actually so good and she has a shaman that she's to shamans a male and female and she's like all come anytime you guys. I'm i'm veasley not going to do it because i'm out of my gourd as it is but i watch you guys you know. And that's the next layer then there's d. m. t. which is the five amiya which comes from the toad so there's right now. There's all these pens floating around. La you know like dm t. Pens and people are hitting them and that's not the shit that gets a little trip d. Whatever that's not the deep dive shit. The deep dive shit comes straight from the towed in the sonora desert and they extract from the glands and you have to make sure to let the toad go have you done d. m. t. Oh yeah okay. So that's like the spirit molecule. Yeah and what does that make you feel. Like there's absolute. I don't really think that there's any possible way. Heck explain it otherwise. Because i wasn't there you know what i mean. That's that's the thing i wasn't there i was just down loaded with cosmic information. It was just instant. I had nothing to do with it. You know what i mean. That lasts fifteen minutes and you can get in that. You can drive home with that. That's crazy because that chemical lizard our bodies and so it assimilates quicker. What i mean so like there's no hangover. Isn't it like a lot only lasts. You said what fifteen minutes fifteen twenty minutes. So and then you're in you're out. Yeah and you can go back and if you want you can go back in and feel like fifteen minutes or does it feel like an hour. I asked after my first time was like how long was that. Was i gonna really eight minutes. I'm like what felt like three days. It felt like a lifetime. You know i mean. I don't remember what you saw or what you went through. I mean i have images in my head of what i saw. But it wasn't experiential like that it was more it was more breaking through this layer of consciousness. We scared yeah. There have been well. I've had times when it was scary and have had times when it wasn't at times that were beautiful. May think that you know there's a lot of there's a lot of prerequisites when it comes to this kind of stuff. Which is you know the set the setting the intention who you're with what you're working on like you don't just go fucking hit the pipe in hope for the best like there's a whole thing for it you know what i mean. There's a whole whether it's an. It's it's essentially the same thing that the shaman do except in a therapeutic form which is like. We want to know why we're here. We want to make sure that we're safe. We wanna make sure that we're in a comfortable environment and then we're good to go if you're not scared but if you take with you my experiences that can come out with you know what i mean. So it's not for everybody kind of where your mindset is you know what is not necessarily but i just for me my experience and i can't speak on that but my experiences that i've gone in with a bad mindset and came out with about mindset and that was dangerous and have you done the microdosing with mushrooms to help at all. Have you done. Because that's just a new thing. That's that's nice. It's like that yeah. I do that on days when i have a lot to do. And really inspired. But i'll do it every day. It's like it's sub perceptual. So you don't feel it. Oh so you don't even know your. There's no there's no wiggly's there's no laughing. There's no stomach is just like little. Lift like a little happier. I wouldn't even say happier because it allows you to access your own happiness. Oh so. I don't do anything that makes me feel different. I do things that helped me. Access how i feel a big difference right right because it is within us and sometimes we just need help getting their because i have so much blockage of You know mom's death drug addiction. I'm not good enough. I'm I i'm terrible at what i music. Whatever the messaging is of the day because it changes You know it depends. So i i just really try and stay focused on just the cosmic joy that that i received i wouldn't i wouldn't i wouldn't do that. I wouldn't migratory. I wouldn't microdosing on a day that i thought that it was having a rough time. Right as a solution right. We don't do anything well it could. I don't know i mean for me. I'm not into the hi. i'm not into like let's party and drop these and go to the thing i'm into like i'm using plant medicine to enhance what i'm already doing. Right and what. I'm already discovering about myself and in conjunction with serious team of doctors. You know it's fucking above board safe. That's great that's so good. I have an. And i just wanna tell you guys if anything i'm talking about sounds interesting like i can't stress that enough. There's a lot of people out there who call themselves shaman. Because they had an eye alaska experience and now they know how to to give you a couple of iowa. He careful who you pick i. I would say in the same tone with who was in the room gauge. The energy of those people like you moved here and then you got much happier. I bet you disconnected with a lot of energy that you wasn't serving. You know what i mean. And i've gone through a process of my life. Forever reconnected with the people who have brought me positive. Energy and i have distanced myself from people who bring negative energy. Because like i said in my fifties that is not. I'm planning on spending the rest of my life right. You need to be surrounded by happiness and have you had any children. Do you have children or don't want to have children. I don't i don't think Amateur at fifty. Three to have a kid right now. I don't know if that's the stars. I'm not against it. I love kids. I just i just don't i don't know i'm not i'm not shut down to it and i'm also you know not necessarily stoked on it even right. You're not. I want to be a dad. It'd be so important to me too. God kids that And lola and todd. i'm gonna make them watch this so they can hear their names Let you know. He's a he's a he's a teenage guitar player. So i go over there and teach them rock riffs. I'm like dude. This is what you need to know. No listen any of this and teacher taught you that. that's cool. forget that Yeah so i love doing that. A little start doesn't really matter doesn't like you learn learn. I teach them to learn techniques and then have the techniques as an arsenal. And then make up your own thing and you taught yourself. Yeah you didn't have any lessons ever had like you know. When i was a kid say basics and then you went from there just kinda did it once i discovered jimi hendrix at about maybe ten or eleven as escape park. They go skate parks pools and do that. And i heard i heard hendrix voodoo child playing over the loudspeaker. I picked up my skateboard. I looked at the speaker. Were what the fuck that went into. The office and i was like what's playing jimmy hendrix jimi hendrix. And i went the next stop. Was the record store from the skate. Park to the record store and That changed my life Got you into music. James lawrence so gray. I love that. I'm so happy. I feel like you. You're so your energy is very peaceful and it feels like you really reached a point where you know who you are and like you know. Call me next week dead. I know how to act this podcast. You're gonna go says the peacefulness. When i know there's a camera on kidding i'm kidding okay. What about like a bad like sexual experience or like crazy sex story or like. I don't know anything. Maybe on tour like some fucking crazy thing or like a girl like you know. Tommy somalia sounds like throwing up on his dick all kinds of. Yeah well things who hasn't thrown up on his. Let's be honest God i mean you wanna give me a scenario like a sexual scenario about like a worse like have you ever had an experience where you were just like. This is the worst experience i mean. I feel like i've so many to put me on the spot. I don't even know how many. Yeah i mean because sometimes the worst experience doesn't manifest itself to later so like you meet a girl you hook up. You're going to have one of those nights and you're stoked and it went grade and it was hot and you're like fuck. Yeah that was a great night and then you wake up to her with luggage at your front door. The next day where she's like move out so worst that's worse. She's moving in. She thinks us. Oh my god. I kinda shit deal with loving loving league as the grown up. Last night was what it was. We made that clear. I'm sorry that misread. Read this right right right. There is no chance that i am ready for anything like this do you. Are you ever going to get married again. I don't i don't i don't think so why I'm not sure that. I'm you know i had a great marriage and i'm still super tight with carmen and i love her to death. But i don't know. I think that was the one and it was good and it lasted as long as it did and i am. Why did it end. I'm asking or is that too. We became best friends okay. So it wasn't sexual anymore. It was but it was. We became best friends which meant that. It prevented us from living an expanding in our lives. On you know individually you know what i mean we were just like kinda locked down together and He didn't want to hang out with anybody else. You didn't want to do anything on. Like i know i would. I would say that we just became used to living together and then like sooner or later my wife became my roommate and it was like i didn't love her. Any less just was like what are we. She felt the same way so we were just like well. Let's let's Actually what happened was we took a break and in that break you know i had a break and i and i went out and did what i did. And then i got blasted by a speak lee and people and all that shit and it became a big fucking up now so the press basically just took my relationship and squish. Didn't traumatized eight into a fucking heartbreaking story but what else is new. That's what they did. And so then she was like whoa. I don't wanna go back together now because of you know all this stuff or whatever. It wasn't so much that i think it just after that. Like and then after the explosion everything it was just like and we'd had some some time apart it was just like let's be fucking cool each other really happy about that. Like do you feel like that was like a content in the moment no in the moment no but i'm super happy. It worked out that way. Okay because i gotta rad friend out of it. And i had a million amazing other experiences and i've met other really incredible incredible women that have inspired me so i don't regret that at all It's anything a long term relationship in hollywood with two people who aren't home very much. It's pretty tricky. Yeah know so. She shooting whenever she shooting. I'm on tour. We see each other like we had to book our wedding around her shooting. Schedule in my touring schedule and like fly in and get married really quick and then had to fly back out like it was just. It's insane. Tommy told me the same thing the same situation and it's so funny because now like we're marrying married for a year and a half the other four years and it's like we spend literally every day together and like literally every day other every moment together. It's kind of funny and you know he was saying he's like i didn't get to really do that in my other relationships because i was always or think this is a first relationship where i'm like in a real relationship i like you know. There's the good days there's the bad days. There's the sexy days. There's the not sexy day the days when you want to you know it's like a relief real life. That's a really nice thing for you to come to a realization and just be like. Wow this is this is what they're talking about owning mean like it's it doesn't have to be chaos and drama and plans and it just you can just flow and in being in in the acceptance of what kinda day it's going to be in that doesn't dictate like well if she's going to be like this then i'm out like fuck that. Well i think the thing is to marriage is like it's such a commitment to blake. You know whether things are good or bad you you have to understand that it's like nobody's perfect and not every single day you're going to be you know completely head over heels with this person knowing to go up and down it's just lay funeral and i also had that i'm not one hundred percent certain because i've tried and tried and tried and tried and i'm okay with this but i just don't think that i'm not a monogamous guy. I just don't think that. I am and i just tried and You know and then. I have to be okay with that and i have my partners. Have to be okay with that. Actually relationships do you tell your partners. I'm gonna be with other people or no no. No i'm saying like in this new phase of my life like i'm not i'm recently out of relationship but were super close friends and i just. I'm not looking to to lock up right away. I'm enjoying just being able to have space. I don't even being single implies that i'm seeing other people. I'm just enjoying that. She has the space to do what she needs to do. And i love to see her flourish. That way. And then in the meantime i get when i'm doing i'm i'm naming thinking about dating right now. You know or anything like that. But i think that what what i meant by that was my whole life. I've never really been a monogamous guy. And i've tried to fit myself into a wedge that i'm just not cut four. So what does that mean like when you're in a relationship with a girl and you really like her. It doesn't matter how much you like. are you still want. You still find yourself wanting to sleep with other people no matter what well. What's your favorite restaurant in the world. I know what you're gonna say. I know exactly. Do you want to eventually want to drive by in and out but what about. Here's another thing. I dated a guy like this restaurant won't feel bad about it. Dated a guy like this. And i told him i was like okay. So you wanna sleep with other people so like let's and we experienced like escorts like we would do that together you know and like that wasn't enough. It was like he had to go. And do it behind without me to a very not a healthy dynamic. Wasn't no 'cause. I'm a very like i've been in those relationships to where we've had like the open connection and we've brought partners and it's all above board. I've never really been much of a cheating guy. Yeah and guy. Because i have a theory and you probably know this is true. Tommy lie for shit. Nobody probably knows that this theory is probably he's gonna he's gonna factual is it for us. Women will always find out no matter what you do. They will know. So don't lie. They're gonna figure it out it's going to happen. He calls me the internet police. Because i see everything. I know every louis especially nowadays nowadays. Even the girl that runs into your girlfriend starbucks. I saw dave last night. He was out with so and so and you know that is going to happen so before all that you could literally get away with. What would murder pretty much. Tommy mrs those days when there was no cell phones for parade. There's no like you had a ca- get on a phone. Her now of what. I respond in a text to people because now they screen shot and send those everywhere. You know what i mean. It's like i know it's some girl would write me something and all right back. I sure would love to reply to this. However in this day and age of screenshots. I think i'm just gonna say thank you in socks. We gotta live in these fucking. You know this cancel culture fucking bubble like questioning our every move and when we had an opportunity to live free and fuck like the indians. He literally says lake. Tommy tells me we used to get away with murder. He's like some guys would be having their wife come up that the elevator as their girlfriend was going down on one side. Yeah literally. He told me it was unreal. I mean i've never been so funny for me. Like i don't even know i know it's so funny 'cause like i don't even get i'm i don't get you guys because like i could never like when i'm in love with somebody say the restaurant. Can you relate to the fact that you got this going on right but you couldn't just do this twice. It has to be this and this. It's still two times but it's not twice with this one. It's once with this one wants. Yeah that's where we came from. I know but you feel like even as you're getting older that that's kinda changed or no like i don't know i wonder like i just kind of feel like as you guys get older. Like i feel like tommy's very monogamous. Like he is very like he is. I mean we have like a very open relationship in terms of like he can look at my phone anytime i can look at his looks like very very nice and very loyal and i don't know if i would say that about thirty year old tommy but i mean you now you're not fifty eight you. I feel like i got the best year. The my last girlfriend who i told you still just yeah at over heels lover forever She got the best version of me. Yeah you know guys get better with age. And also i feel like you. Don't you feel like that. Not that that you've been tame sort of i feel like do you feel like kind of winds down a little bit and you like as you get older. You cherish a more now. I just realized that sometimes the memory or the idea is really hot and exciting but the planning and the escape and scheming and the texting it so much fucking award. Like i'm just like i just don't want to do the work i just don't wanna do it. I'd rather do something fun. And he's got that awesome studio downstairs. I would just be in the studio all day. It'd be just as happy. So that's you know in understand. Like when we were touring a hate. Hate bringing this up because it sounds so callous. But i think there's some truth to it like there was only i worry outlined what those tours could be like and how volatile they could be and then you add liquor to it and it could probably get more of a little more fun. That's a crap. Shoot you add drugs. You don't know what that's gonna do which you know that meeting someone new and having energy and chemistry and ceremonies flying around is gonna fuck him. Be great you know what i mean and that works every time so i think that's why a lot of musicians have been Slapped with that. Hate to i hate us. Were groupie now but just like sleeping with their fans but the fact of the matter is as much as as as you know. They wanted to have an exciting time with us. We wanted an escape with them and Are you codependent in any ways or do you do. Are you pretty like good on your own like you're like okay. I'm i'm okay. The book the giving tree of corey justed an art piece called the co-dependency. Because if you really think about that. Tree is a tree and a kid and the kid takes and takes and takes and takes now. I met this girl. I wanna borrow your would to build a house for her. Now i want you know what i mean. And the give and the just keeps giving 'til it's a dead stump at the end of the book. Is the most unhealthy story any any children who expects the relationship to go that way and their life is got another thing coming Some people are like that though. Like i'm a really big giver. And i'll give give give give until i'm a tree stump like so but that's that's those are boundaries that you can work on exactly whereas the teaching of healthy boundaries in this book whereas the tree the kid to fuck off and how about the tree saying listen. I need this branch to live. But i'll be happy to give you all. These sleet whatever. I want to rewrite it. I'm gonna do shit. That's such a good idea. Yeah but such a classic book and it does make me cry. But i am calling codependent in the sense that if i'm worried about someone that hijacks anything i can do really. Yeah so if. I'm in if i'm worried about like someone safety or someone's mental stability or someone i care about and love and then being potentially unhappy then yeah i can be a little codependent in the sense that i will put off what i need to do to take care of. You take care of them to make sure they're okay because once i know they're okay then i can xl. And then. i can do this. It's really giving it's giving but it's also like where's the part about. Oh maybe they're just not answering the phone. Like i don't go there i go. Oh my god it's a problem. Maybe they're in the shower. You know what i mean like. That's what i'm talking about. Nats code pin. Because i'm just like ono the you're okay yangos tests let me know. You're okay so i can feel better like yeah. I have that to a degree. And i'm working on it but Also really big to learn that. Like and i and i have a lot of trouble with this is like you're not responsible for other peoples happiness and i'm like i'm kind of like i'm always trying to help people almost trying to make people feel better at my own expense often as well and the hardest thing is to realize that you know you're not responsible no anyone else's happiness neurone no and and also when we feel responsible for someone else's happiness who is not taking any action on their own should be happy right that's really challenging know so So i try to watch the goethe penalty. I'm you know i'm no. I'm not perfect. I got i got it all but at least you know the i've intellectualized all of it so i have such a firm grasp understanding on a what i need to address and where it's coming from and all that but it doesn't it doesn't take away the feelings and life united say pain and suffering. Is there as contrast joy without pain and suffering. We don't know a joyous. So that's why being suffering is the gift to have the valleys to have the highs. You have to have the loews because everything was a high and great. What would what would you know what it was. Also talking about burning man arm. You wouldn't know it was great because it's great the normal. You know exactly exactly. So that's that's Yeah that's what. I'm really all about with this this thing. Yeah the messaging and I just i love what you're doing because there's so many people coming out now and just saying this is who i am owning it and finding power in that and i'm okay with it like i'm okay with like i. I knew a lot of people are going to be very like just and like it's affected me in terms of like you know. I think jobs. Like i booked a lot more acting stuff when i wasn't talking about the stuff as much but i definitely don't care because i'm like wow i'd rather be no who i'm really am than you should be more than okay with it. I'm glad you'll pay with it. But i would like to see you get to a place where you're fucking proud of it. You are doing something that takes a lot of strength and you take a lot of guts and the fucking balls delayed out online. You know dislikes slice yourself open and spilled on the guts for the world to see and say look. My insides are just as disgusting yours. You know what. I mean if not worse or whatever you know what i mean. It's exactly and the gift from that is how many people it reaches. That don't feel alone anymore. So many people and then also like just in that and i don't mean interrupt but that gift outweighs the one or two people who are like cloud she's crazy. You know what i mean like. Fuck you dude. Literally like i i think all the time the amounts of messages i get every day where people so you've listened to the podcast because it makes me feel normal. Listen to them. Don't listen to the person that's gonna judge because that's the energy you don't want your life anywhere the dude is like i just need to give you some good dick and you'll be fuck you fucking normal. Mike read all that stuff. You only because like i do submit submissions for worse i i have. People submit their stories. Yeah i didn't really submit one just because you take your pick you know i've had. Okay here's a here's a worst. I i d was in england in late nineteen eighty-nine in a a squatter flat or it's just like just street. Kids live in there. We had no power you know. Just we squatted. I need to make sure this is going. Not a great story so we had a. We found this abandoned building in me and these street kids. We're all junkies. I was on tour with jane's addiction and it had a day off and hook up with these dudes. Want this flat. I shot up. And i went out and i'm talking. You know right away you're gonna you oh deed no because i woke up maybe six hours later with one of the guy's going to you were dead. You're dead so what they ended up doing. I didn't know this because it was all candles because we never electricity. Who's really dark and so there were all these other street kids and they are freaking out. Because they didn't want to get arrested so they split shoe. This guy's dead. We're outta here other buddy who i did know drag me down the stairs and lean me up against like something an embankment on the curb and just call the paramedics. Okay and then like ran away and like watch around the corner in. The paramedics never came so he pulls me back up stairs. Blitz me in a bath. Tub runs water on me and i start to cough and choke and come back to life and then On never forget. This i i. I'm like lane. Like this. And i opened my eyes and i go what's going on. He's he's looking down. He's like dude. You're fucking dead like no paul. No pulse i got him. Oh my god wow a. Why'd you bring me back. More dope left first question first question with you guys. Motherfucker used to shoot jack daniels when he ran out of heroin. Yeah we'll because the fixing is part of the addiction to. I just want to stick a needle. In my vein. It's not really matter. What's in it coke speed math whatever you got you don't remember your death. You don't remember anything during deaths. No not for me because it just went black. But don't don't take that as a as as what it's like. I think that i was meant to come back. So i didn't get to the light. You know what i mean. There's a lot of things that you can we. Can you can manipulate these things into the things. That are the most positive for so. I think that this guy saved my life. And i didn't go to the light but it was all just like within a snap. Six hours went by. And i have no recollection of any of it. So that was the war's worst your that was your worst od. I don't know if it was but it was pretty bad. You oh deed I mean god. Over the years. I don't know like multiple again on hand or more than one hand. Yeah yeah so. Here's the way i look at it. If i was saved from being home with my mom in not getting killed. And i've overdoses many times i have and i haven't died and i'm sitting here with you. Who someone who is like minded and we struggle with the same things and we're sharing to them. That is fucking magic. That is god that is the cosmos. Whatever you wanna call it. That's evidence of god working in our lives. So that's how. I i look at all those mistakes and all those things in an and i i love. I love some of those stories. And wouldn't you know some of my worst experiences. Just make for the best stories today. And i'm glad i had them. Yeah it's life man. It's colorful it's colorful. We've had some amazing just the most beautiful experiences. And she's like the darkest most horrific experiences like that. You could any that humanity could even want to think about and i and i know way too much about the entertainment industry and what's going on in it and what's going on right now. It turns my stomach and You know it's just Their flavors everyday's a different flavor. You know and and today on a good flavor man seeing you guys are fucking in this beautiful space and and we're talking about stuff that matters. Yeah that's the cool thing and it is like you know it is so important to say that stand up to four in the morning doing lines with you wouldn't be great too. I can't even do like weird. I used to be able to do coke when i was younger. But i can't even take a lick five milligram. Adderall out having a panic. Attack like my chemistry change like twenty five. I used to slam coke. That was my thing. So yes i used to shoot coke and when you shoe co. get last like ten fifteen minutes i would do it over and over and over and over and over again all day all day all day and it used the heroin balance it out so i could keep shooting call you or skinny skinny fucking look. Great favorite like i know. It's so unhealthy like kate. Moss just like which is fucking weird. Because i grew up. In the era of kate moss. And i'm looking at the girls today going. How did this happen guy. I don't understand what's going on. Because like body positivity and thicker the vicar the better the more power to you. But i'm whatever crazy it's just era you know from a different era so But yeah i. I don't even know where to go with this. Because you said you used to do cocoa so like so now it turned on me because of the highest. I got no business going near anything. Speedy nothing weird. Your kind of like changes. Because like i was i did. I was on adderall for years like five years when i was younger. And like you know twenty two between twenty and forty milligrams a day. And i was like ninety pounds and i was just a little tweaker but i was so hot kidding. I'm kidding kidding. Anyway so But yeah then i now. I can't even drink fucking coffee or have anything was caffeine. Or i'm over the edge or your heart's gonna jump call having heart attack. My husband's like you're thirty four. My doesn't matter. I'll be the first ones. There's some good calling the cops and fire departments on myself stories that we do that can tag. Could i give you a rational answer. That would make sense. Can you know of course not like. I'm like you know five o'clock and like i'm convinced they're out there. Who's there then paranoid schizophrenia. They are right. You do enough coke and they show up there in the trees can make up a noculars got helicopters and all that stuff. I mean you know. I used to hang out with scott scott weiland. We were talking about scott earlier. We use together and that guy went hard. I mean we. I went but he went hard and and like so he the the difference to me was like he would. We would be seeing ghosts. You're up for eleven days. Do you start to elucidate literally. Not sleep for eleven days are here. Can't you die after like three. I don't i. I didn't But i had. I had a supplement to keep me away. Oh my god you guys are fucking crazy so scott. The difference mean scott was scott would be tude. This house has coast. Senator looking at right now and i'm like that's me on no drugs. I'm like i know but you're just seeing them because you're on drugs. Like i knew the difference like he would get spooked by am whereas i would see him and no. That's a hallucination. From drugs he went one step beyond where it was like He was seeing. We were both one night. Seeing we spent time with our current friends from their future ghosts. So like for instance. If i went home tonight and got into that behavior and talk to your ghost after you die fucking fifty sixty years from now. I come in to come back. But you're still alive in the real plane like those are the places we don't you kinda part of you think that maybe these drugs have enabled you to actually see what is really happening or do you feel like it was just the drugs now. I think the enabled me to have a fast track to find a goddamn solution. Yeah you know what i mean like meaning had i not gotten into my drug addiction. I would never been turned onto anything to help with it. Which means i would have lost all those tools of coping. I would have lost the support. That i have now. I would probably be a totally different person. So the drugs led me to self healing In a strange way i survived the process. Some people don't survive it Which is why. I think it's really important that people seek out there self-healing now so they don't have to go through what we've gone through In order to get the same thing go to the same place. You don't have to kill yourself or come close to dying to find the the light and i enter the tunnel. You know what i mean. It's just it's a waste of time. Yeah what are you. What advice do you have won't keep you much longer. But what advice do you have to anyone. That's struggling with addiction right now and feels hopeless and feels like stuck in that cycle with. I mean there's there's so much right. Now with the kobe lockdowns and stuff there are so many zoom meetings and they are twelve step oriented and you just do a random search islet absolutely advised that because and i don't care what twelve step group it is or even if it's just a process group or even if it's just finding therapists that you can facetime with Professional help is out there. They're all working. They're all doing it with the with the digital technology which is one great aspect of it and So i do. I do three three groups a week. Rally there like an hour each. And we check in and it establishes Relationships it establishes a connections with people who who are struggling. So you don't feel alone there's laughter there's community antic their structure within the week so it used to be. I didn't know what day it was. Because we're in this lockdown like who gives a fuck with day it is right. It's the same day while now. I know where. I have to be monday wednesday and friday and so having that structure in place is also a great gift because it takes me out of my own head. That's running the show. Most of the time you know that our homeless are struggling right now wrapped up. I mean whether it be like depression anxiety. Whatever i know there are online meetings for pretty much everything for everything and there are support line. And even if it's calling your best friend. And saying i never told you this and i really need to get this off my chest. You will feel better you do. I mean you have to talk about it. I try to keep my grief bank empty. You know means crying out or talking out or whatever you know you have to. You have to keep it empty. Otherwise it's full on builds up. And i mean if you if you and i can sit here and talk about this stuff is openly as we have to as many people who watch you i mean which is millions you know and be comfortable cool about it and feel like proud of it like yeah man. We're fucking survivors. Not gonna let. I'm not gonna let some drug addiction or some dark thaad or some loss of a girl or some whatever like ruined the gift that i've been given you know and i refuse digest about that I mean thinking about. I mentioned chris earlier and i went to chris. Cornell's funeral or chester bennington saying four chris cornell and then a month later. I'm sitting at chester zero a month later. I mean like these. It doesn't have to go that way. And these were two of the most gracious loving nicest guys chester would fucking show up before the crew and he would leave after they fucking closed the venue like he was a dedicated diehard. I've never seen anybody work with that ethic before Scott was a fucking sweetheart chris. Chris and i used to do. We used during twelve step panels when we did lollapalooza. So obviously of and jane's addiction ryan thing and during the day we reach out to rehab facilities and say. Hey bring bring your kids to the concert. Immune chris will hang out with them and they get to see a free concert with guys doing this with no chemicals in their body and having a fucking blast awesome so mean. Chris got to do that. And so when when when he lot when we lost him. I really really. It really broke my heart and especially like the kids that came and saw guys were probably like. Aw fuck like. I went and saw those guys and they told me it was. Okay now here they are. Well you know no not even that. I think it's valuable lesson them for them to know that is no guarantees. You know and like one of the guys that invited us down. Didn't make it sadly but one of them did and he's still doing something about it and you know why that is however that worked out that way. I don't know i'm not gonna question it. But i still have a responsibility to carry on that legacy that he and i started in his name. You knows that's always tell that story about him because people don't know what to giving guy he was. You know the kindest people often are the most damaged. And i feel like it's because they they don't want anyone else to feel the way they feel you know and they know what it's like for me. I know what it's like within my family structure. How different phrases intones and in the way things land on people you may not mean something a certain way but the words and the tone that you use and choose in the moment can land harder than the words and so. I think it's just about choosing your words. And not an owning for me. What i do in my relationship with my ex relationship now We still talk as I just show what's going on with me and my side of the thing. I don't sit there and go. You're not doing this. You're not doing that. You're not doing this. That's not my business. That's her business. My business is what i'm doing. And if i'm doing why do for me. And she's doing what she's due for her and we can communicate but that's how it works. I see that with you guys. I mean you know where you guys are at. It's it's a beautiful thing see so it's absolutely true. Communication is the biggest thing. I mean we you know. I'm a big advocate of therapy and big advocate of couples therapy. I'm a big advocate of therapy for yourself and you know just talking to people. It's so important. Because i mean even tommy's tons of fuckin- hard lifting heavy work on him. So yeah so you guys have that connection our you know how to phrase things. Yeah we work on. I mean we're not perfect. We definitely work on. Millwood is your nas. And and that's the thing is i will say that we definitely do you know and we have our moments where you know if one of us does say or do something. That's not like the favorite thing of the other person will be like okay. You know what. I'm gonna take a minute and like let me come back to you and were learning to like go and take a minute. Come back and go. You know what actually said that. The way of way you wanted to say often times. I think when we say things about how we feel it's coming from a place her or anger fear and then what happens is the other person's defense immediately. Goes up like that like that. Like hey you hurt me. What do you mean. I heard you. I'm everything perfect. what are you talking about. Take care of everything. You know what i mean like. That's where you go but like you pause for a second. You look at that thing fucking come down and then you can talk and say hey. This is someone i love. Who's hurting and i heard them out. Yeah there's a quote that you don't get to say whether you've heard someone or not like it's like you know you don't get to make that call it's there. I needed to hear that because Thank you welcome. I do take that on. you know. Sometimes when when the co-dependency thing comes up it's like yeah sometimes put myself i and taking care of myself. I fear that it hurts others. Really what i'm doing is attending to myself care. So i can be present in the future somporn. I feel like we touched on so many amazing things. It's been such a great podcast boosted two hours. I love it Guys make sure to follow. Dave and you have a dual diagnosis. Has its own instagram right. So it's just dual diagnosis on instagram. I'm tagging dave and everything so you obviously need to know where to find davies right here. So just go ahead and click the links. follow him. Followed you'll diagnosis. And you have so much going on right now you. You're doing a charity thing. You're doing the dual diagnosis stuff. You're doing you're constantly playing everything. So just keep up with him on his socials and wanna see what he has going on right now. It's his busy so It's really gray and try not to unseat him with a personal messages. Even though we. I love it. When i get them and i appreciate you guys saying how much it's helped you and whatnot. That's always a producing what i tell people. Yeah i love. I love the personal stories. And i do read them. Yeah i do too. I try law people. Ask me for what to do. And what i always tell them is like i have said everything i know i mean i. I'm not keeping some secret off this podcast. That the real answer like it's fucking hard work you know so i just i just tell them with love like. I wish i could tell you more. But anything that i've experienced where i i know i've shared already and those are the things that work for me. I love it. 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The Rush Limbaugh Show Podcast - Nov 27 2020
"Before we get started support for this podcast comes from boost with facebook. Who's podcast boost. My business with david fisher features unique perspectives and insight from business leaders and small business owners. Here's stories and anecdotes about businesses just like yours gain insight on what it takes to grow a business and learn from the mistakes and triumphs of others. Listen to boost my business. Wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to today's edition of the rush. Limbaugh show podcast holy cow. It just got real. Didn't welcome to the rush. Limbaugh show i am not decidedly. Not rush limbaugh is an honor to be here. I'm derek hunter. And wow you know you hear that song your whole life basically while driving a car sitting there at home whatever and two here on this end of it is is a scary as i thought it would be if it sounds as though i'm nervous it's only because i am. Let me. just take a second before we get into anything else in. There is a lot to get into holi. Franklin anna is busy news day even though it is should be a slow news day but that's just not the way the last four years have worked. I've got to pay homage to rush. Just because well as you heard. Johnny donvan john. Johnny donovan talent in the open. I have my own radio show which again. It's really cool to him. What i want that to be a ringtone mound radio show on wcbs in baltimore and the whole genre. Everybody who has a radio show. Does it to rush. He created it. It sit there and you say well. How do you pay tribute to rush. What do you say to a guy. He's the henry ford of talk radio. He created the industry and for him to say here. Are the keys to the to the camaro don't scratch. It is a thrill and terrifying simultaneously. So thank you to rush. We can't replace him. We can only fill his chair for a day or two and he'll be back here on monday to undo any damage that i do throughout the next three hours the number to be a part of the show as always again saying this really cool eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two and it's open line friday so pretty much anything goes like. I said we've got a lot to get to today and you want to chime in on that absolutely. You're welcome to or anything else. If you are out there doing the black friday a little bit about me. I grew up in detroit so if you watched football. Yesterday i apologize on behalf of the city. I always say that As a joke because it's funny because it's true grim detroit. We don't have a professional football team. We just had the lions and yes. Oh sorry america about that. Unless you're a fan of texans which who's a fan of the texans so we ruined your early dinner and the late game wasn't much more exciting. But yeah i grew up in detroit. I moved to baltimore. I went to wayne state. University in downtown detroit grew up in a small town called redford that he's ever heard of it's easier. Just say to detroit because it six blocks outside of detroit off of eight mile road so me and eminem didn't know each other at all but he actually grew up on the other side of eight mile. Which was the good side of eight mile. I grew up on the bad side of eight mile. But i've majored in theater at first which is Scary don't let your children grow up to major in theater ever. After a year of that. I decided that i couldn't stand the phony people. Girls were good looking but the people were so phony that i went into politics. Yeah so again on the tree but it worked out got a job at the heritage foundation. I'm pretty much done everything. Just i've had more jobs than most families have had last count. I think it was seventy three jobs. This might be seventy four filling in for rush. Wants so yeah. If you name it. I was a made for an hour. Roofing was one thing. I did for a long time if it if you had to shower after it. I had that job and if you had then eventually i learned to move into showering before a job when i did kind of the grunge era nobody era. Nobody's showered but i moved to worked in washington. D c been involved in politics and news. Ever since and here. I am i right columns three three days a week four days a week for townhall dot com and i host a podcast called appropriately enough the derek hunter podcast which you know they had the name i so it worked out for me. It is black friday. It's weird being here. It's weird being anywhere on black friday. Because i i used to be one of those people my shopping year revolved around black. Absolutely loved it. I have my trampling shoes and go out and a knock people fifty bucks off. Tv elbow to the throat. Whatever it took and this year it's off it's online and there are some stores open. I saw some pictures of some kids. Who will probably never kiss a girl sleeping outside. A game stopped by playstation five. But i don't judge them. That's not judging. that's just being. Poignant they got an learn sooner or later but that's it you know it's just a different world. Thanks to covert and boy. Do we have some news on as well. But i want to stick to. The thanksgiving theme is hypocritical. Politicians jet off around the country and sit there. And don't you dare go visit family now. I'm hopping on this plane. I gotta get outta here. 'cause i'm going over to grandma's house. It really was one of those days for absolute total hypocrisy season for hypocrisy. That's kind of the leftist does hypocrisy. There's a great book called. Do as i say. Not as i do. Profiles liberal hypocrisy by peter schweitzer long before he became wildly famous over clinton cash and the book on the biden's and everything he wrote this and it's probably fifteen twenty stories in it about various left wing political figures who are like. Oh love to preach poi- outed they love to preach but they don't actually live that way. For example he's got stories about. Michael moore union busting and his old. Tv show tv nation. Kind of a big deal. Your big pro union guy but you threaten to fire people if they join a union when they work on your tv show the kennedys. No proponents of the inheritance tax and their money is all in tax. Free shelters handed down generation to generation without paying any taxes on it. Because they're they're above the law lahser for the little people so hypocrisy is nothing new for the left gavin. Newsom california going. Let's let's have a party. Let's go to the most expensive restaurant the country and Sit inside and we'll have a blast in the bar tab something like fifteen hundred dollars how well speaking of the kennedys. They could probably do it. But otherwise i don't know how anybody can get a fifteen thousand dollars bar tab. How do you do that. Give me your most expensive bottle. I want to throw it against the wall. And then keep bringing them until i throw my shoulder out any tommy john surgery. That's about it. So there's that out in california then we had Governor super mario on steroids in new york andrew. Cuomo don't see your family. Don't see family now. My mom's coming over you gotta go. People say played. Wait a second. That's not right so we were lucky. Canceled it although. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sneaking in there. I wish somebody had been camped out in front of all of these people's houses the media scolds who sit. There anticipate tissue that you want to see your family on thanksgiving give you those monologues and lectures. I want to see if they had anybody over. Of course we'd have to have an honest media for that so that's wasn't likely to happen anyway. Then we have the mayor mayor michael hancock of denver he took it to a new level which is usually the coastal guys are the ones who are really stepping in it but michael. Hancock said i got this. Hold my beer. He told everybody stay home. Don't see family don't do this. Don't do that. You've got to do this that and the other thing. It's for the safety of the people of denver's safety of people of colorado then after issuing a tweet saying just as much he hopped on plane and flew off his mom and mississippi what And then of course. He rescued the the apology. I've only acknowledged that. I have urged everyone to stay at home and avoid unnecessary travel. I have shared how my family cancelled our plans for our traditional multi household thanksgiving celebration. What i did not share but should have is that my wife. My daughter and my daughter had been in mississippi where my daughter recently took a job and the holiday approaches decided. It would be safer for me to travel to see them then to have to family members travel back to denver would have been safer. And you've been telling everybody pretty much sticking place. Yeah he has rules for the not for me. I recognize that my decision has disappointed. Many who believe it would have been better to spend thanksgiving alone. Yeah like you'd been lecturing everybody else. That as a public official whose conduct is rightly scrutinized for the message that sends to others. I apologize to the residents of denver. Who see my decision. As conflicting guidance to stay at home for all but essential travel are there many residents of denver who see his conflicting decision conflicting with the guy not conflicting with it. Well this is exactly in line with with his order to stay home him going somewhere. I made my decision a husband and a father and for those who are angry and disappointed. I humbly ask you to forgive decisions that are born of my heart and none of my head by the way. If you leave your house. I'll give you a fifteen hundred dollar fine and up to thirty days in prison. It didn't say that last part but he wanted to hypocrisy thanksgiving. This is the problem. This is the left hypocrisy anger resentment. Division this is who they are as people as human beings. It's very weird to watch. These people talk about tolerance when they are the lease dollar people on earth. Of course it was a day that ends in wise so there were riots across the country. There were burning smashing. There was statues being torn down. New york post has this story. Anti thanksgiving protests erupt in several us states overnight and then of course the first place. They site is portland. That's what happens today that ends and why the sun is up. Let's go burn something when there's a statue let's tear it down. Who's it up doesn't matter rip down. post reports. Vandals went on anti thanksgiving. An anti colonial crime sprees in several states smashing into facing storefronts and toppling. A war memorial overnight thursday. But don't you feel safer now and that feel great. I love that because it was anti thanksgiving now. Really the only thing that was anti thanksgiving is in addition to their f- the police and f donald trump's spray painting in the usa is terrible and anti police spray painting as they also threw in blank. Thanksgiving too. I guess it's nice. They're mixing their bag. Do something new at least ten businesses in portland including a chase bank and a new seasons market along hawthorne boulevard had windows broken and messages like land back sixteen. Thirty seven and f thanksgiving spray painted along their walls according to local reports again. They just through an thanksgiving. The rest of those messages are the exact same as they always are. That's who the left is. That's where the left is. They talked about. Democrats for god's sakes we just had a campaign where we're going to bring the country together got to bring the country together. Then you sit there and you listen to the rest of what they say. We will unite the country with those racist. Sexist homophobic islamophobic. Xenophobes things what why would we want to unite with you. What are you offering in return that you will continue to call us horrible things that are lies that you you'll only smack us on every other tuesday taco tuesday and back of the hand thursday. Like what are we. Why would we night with you. How does somebody unite with you. The fact is they don't want tonight with you. They don't want to bring this country together. They despise this country as evidenced by. We have pretty much everything out of their mouth. Out of joe biden's mouth because it's hard to tell he can't really string together. Coherent sentence figure somewhere in that word. Salad tosses the hatred of the country. That the left fully thoroughly embraces. But i i just want to point out some because you you hear this all the time from the left. This country is fundamentally racist. Fundamentally it's founded on races my god sixteen nineteen project. They just went absolutely nuts. So i i wanna give you something. I've never done this before. But i've never spoken in two thousand five million people before and read just a. I'm actually just gonna crib notes from my book. Outrage inc have a liberal mob ruin science journalism in hollywood to give you an counterargument to all of these leftists who talk about how god awful racist this country not to say. Racism doesn't exist. It absolutely does the nation of three hundred and thirty million people. You're going to get every flavor of person and every problem on the planet but to give it some perspective. I think that's wildly wildly important. The southern poverty law center which left loves to site. They just they put out a press. Release like oh god we love. We love the southern poverty law center because all they do is tech attack conservatives and label them which gives leftist media covered. Say it's not us saying it's the southern poverty law center. They estimate in two thousand sixteen there between eight and five and eight thousand members of the kkk in the country. That's you know that's a wide range averaged about sixty five hundred. It's the granddaddy of the racist organizations democratic militant wing. Back in the day. But it's important to note that the granddaddy that in nineteen sixteen had four million members. I believe a century later had sixty five hundred on average to give that more perspective that same year two thousand sixteen the wnba the least popular professional sport. You can call it that. They celebrated that year as a wild success because their average attendance at home game. Which i guess every games a home game to somebody was seven thousand six hundred and fifty five that means on average southern poverty law center says about sixty five hundred members of the kkk in the country and the wnba had one thousand one hundred and fifty five more people at an average home game of the least popular sport on the planet earth whereas a century earlier there were millions of members of the clan. That is not progress. That's not something we're celebrating. The nothing is worth celebrating but to hear the left. Tell it it's gotten worse. It's way worse. How did they do that. They created things like microaggressions and things like that things that are so so subtle that you don't even know you're being racist and the person you bring racist who doesn't even know you're being raised to them but some impartial woke third party. Observer can sit there and folder arms and test can go really showed us at that way. it's too sis. Normative hetero normative whatever terms they make up what. I'm basically boiling it down to. Is this thanksgiving. Be thankful for this country thankful for liberals exposing themselves so freely in willy nilly but never ever lose sight of the truth that this country is the greatest on the history of the planet and amazing the only country in the world where where you are born. The station in which you are born has nothing to do with where you end up in life. I the son of an auto worker. A disabled mother. Neither of whom graduated high school are sitting behind the golden. Eib microphone talking to twenty five million people. If can do that. You can do anything. We'll be right back back on the rush limbaugh program. I'm derek hunter sitting in the big chair behind. The golden eib microphones still shaking like a leaf that number to be a part of it on open line. Friday which is another cool thing is eight hundred two eight two two eight two. I promise we'll get to your phone calls this hour because it is open life. Your is russia. I'm just keeping the seat warm but just a couple more things on this division left and it'll be a theme returned because 'cause it's something that absolutely drives me nuts constantly. We're all one but we have to look at you this way they define you as bhai your gender by your skin color by city by whatever whatever you wanna they find new and creative ways to divide people up. We used to be a melting pot. Remember that now. We're a series of chafing dishes. And they just manipulate everybody around. 'cause it's much easier divide and conquer. It's there's no saying unite and conquer that work. So i'm looking at the the news the other day and i see this thing multicultural news network. I'm like what are you talking about. Some of the multicultural news network television channel focusing on diverse content voices will launch in the second. Half of twenty twenty one well. That's a long telegraphed punch but they say they'll produce daily newscasts is going to be a cable channel apparently quote serving multicultural communities including but not limited to blacks hispanics. Lgbtq communities asians native americans people of middle and people of middle eastern descent. Who sit there and you see this. You know like. I don't really care. Generally it's just so weird about the bifurcation of society by the left as they're calling for unity and it's across the media. Nbc news has nbc. News black nbc. News hispanic fox news has nbc news hispanic as if the news is different based upon. What your ancestors did centuries ago where they came from mine started off in poland and pretty much would go as far west as they could stop mate send their kids west some pretty much everything over there but none of it matters who i am what my parents did to me and thank god. They did it to me matters to who i am. It should be the same to you so they just keep on dividing a lot more to say including something. That's i think pretty damn funny coming up after after news dare connor filling in for rush. Limbaugh i am eric hundred. This is the rush limbaugh program. It's open line. Friday eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two telephone number from anywhere in this great country and it really is great and before we get to your phone calls on open line friday. I want i promise. I teased that. I'd give you a little funny story about my thoughts on this garbage of ethnic identity and nationalism and nationalism but the division of the left i find it exemplified in what used to be one of those old. Not all it's like a year-old ads for the spit in a tube and find out your dna history. Swab the cotton in there. Like a cova test except you miss your nose and you go on your mouth. And i'll tell you why you're this much of that one and this much the other one and the one guy in the commercial where he sitting there like i grew up. We're all german. May dance around. And lederhosen eat weiner schnitzel and invade poland and czechoslovakia and hate france. And then i did. This spit in a tube and i found out that i'm scottish. So now i eat haggas and wear kilts like it's your identity. That's kind of the premise of liberalism. Where you're just like that's who you are. It's it's not who you are decidedly. Not who you are. Who you are is who you are. What you do is who you are. Your your experience of culmination of all of those things are who you are and the bad mistakes you've made and you've learned from hopefully the good things you've done and you learn from hopefully sadly that's what. I really despise about liberalism is that it is so desperate to absolve people of any responsibility for their bad decisions. Insult people from their bad decisions. So you get with that you subsidize something you get more of it. You insulate people from the consequences of their actions. What happens you get more of it now. I can go out. And i take two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Outon student loans to go to smith college. Majoring gender grievance studies. And wow there's not a whole lot of jobs in that field starting salaries twenty two thousand dollars. What am i going to do with this. Two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in debt and then incomes big government to worry. Here's a lollipop patch on the head. We'll absolve you of it. It's not your fault. How could you possibly simple. Google search to find out the starting salary's of your field of study. Who would have ever thought that going to one of the most expensive colleges in the country was a bad idea for an unmarketable degree. We've got you and then you start seeing people looking to government to take care of them. It's insidious it's subtle. It's not all that's one of the more obvious ways but the school lunch program now. The school breakfast program. Oh so kids. Learn what the government feats in the morning and in the afternoon and they'll stay open in the summer and feed them then and you sit there and you think logically when what is food stamps for one fair for giving parents money to feed these kids in house these kids and then we're saying but don't worry we'll do it for you. So what does that mean. The mom sleeps in the dad's sleeps in could get up and make a bolo meal. You can make an egg can make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. I brown bag lunches every day. My mother had one leg right leg amputated. When i was nine every day i went to school with a brown bag. It had to peanut butter and jelly sandwiches or bologna in barbecue sauce. Don't get me started or something else and like a hostess treat one day a week. I was allowed to buy lunch. that was. it wasn't living high on the hog. But i was living and most importantly i learned that my parents cared enough to do that for me if it was just telling me free lunch. And that's it. We probably we might qualified. I don't know there were free lunches. We weren't gonna do that changed and shaped who i am. And that's a hell of a lesson to learn rather than suckling. The government teak. Don't worry they'll make breakfast for you at school. Now get outta my room trying to sleep. That doesn't really tell your kid a whole lot. Good anyway anyway. Let us get to the phones. This is the rush limbaugh show and it is open line. Friday eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two scott in miami florida. We start with you not much nice weather than where i am. Hello scott wanting the rush limbaugh. Good afternoon mr hunter. Thank you for taking my call. I want to tell you that After some blows biden is president. It doesn't matter if you put elmer fudd in in the white house this country has done for. Let me explain what i mean by that. We have eighty million people. Seventy eighty ninety million people unemployed twenty. Twenty it's gonna look like nothing when twenty twenty one comes around People can't pay their bills their mortgages everything shut down. The stock market is only. It's it's it's it's overblown got a dollar. That's going to become worthless because the federal reserve keeps printing up trillion. You do have to be wary of the federal reserve. You can go on ebay right now and for fifteen bucks. You can buy one hundred trillion dollar bill from zimbabwe that was legal currency at one point. So i take your point on that one. I gotta take issue with you though. Scott on the idea that we're done for we're never let me in what we've done in the sense that our political leaders have turned back to the american people have to cover. That's when you have a federal reserve that is controlled by international jewish bankers. All right thank you. It was only a matter of time on. Its open line friday but yeah no. This country is not done for. This is the united states of america. We can pull our butts together. The problem is that we have the will to do it. And republicans are very good at mouthpieces and saying we. We've got to do this. We got to be fiscally responsible. Unfortunately they're really good at it when they're not empower the vocalizing it. When it comes time to governing that way they become less good but as we have churn and burn members of congress we get more conservative in there and people who recognize the problems in this country. That are sending. And you can't dig your way out of a hole then yes. We can get some fiscal sanity. It's just a matter of you. Know being on the front deck of the titanic iceberg. Can you make it up to the wheel house in time to warn them because that iceberg doesn't swerve and debt sooner or later will become seriously problematic. I feel bad for two daughters three and a two year old and we've already spent their money their kid they're going to have to have kids to inherit the debt that we're incurring now. Covert is a separate special circumstance as a once in a century. Hopefully fingers crossed thing so some of the spending is understandable. But it's also a great opportunity for conservatives to make a case in liberal states in blue states to say look because the democrats just want to bail everything out been spending like drunken sailors for decades are public sector unions. Their pensions are through the roof. And we we just keep kicking the can and doing accounting gimmicks. If you did it at your fortune five hundred company you'd be thrown in jail for like bernie. Made office is a piker compared to what the government does in their accounting schemes. And you say well. Nancy pelosi wants to bail out the states. It's only fair it's only right. Then you see stories out of california and out of michigan. These are only two states. This is sort of a new field of study. So i assume there's more where they're paying unemployment benefits to people who have no business being unemployment scott peterson. For god's sakes is out in california. He was collecting unemployment benefits in california murder. He's doing life in prison without premeditation. The death penalty. But i think it's life in prison without parole and abc nbc. Four out in california at least thirty five thousand unemployment claims filed on behalf of california prison. Inmates including scott peterson more than a billion dollars. In total they paid at least one hundred and forty million and benefits. Two hundred fifty eight claims that have been filed for one hundred and thirty three inmates just on death row. And we've got a bail that out. How about you figure out what the hell's going on in your house. I okay then. Over in michigan my home state audit michigan may have paid out one point. Five billion in fraudulent unemployment claims director reportedly said that it was not a high priority fraud hundred priority. A billion and a half. Well what is what. How much are they asking for. Further bailouts. I think they're asking for like four five billion dollars. Well right there. I'm all for helping when you can all right in this circumstance. Sure we probably have to do something for some of the states and localities but that shouldn't be a plan that shouldn't be number one on the bucket list. It should be you get your house in order. Somebody's coming into your house. A friend degenerate friend. You went to high school with and go. I need ten grant. Well what do you need ten grand for. I have to get a car if i don't get a good car. I'm never going to be able to get a job. I don't really wanna loan you ten grand. They're jimmy my name and you finally agreed to it. Okay and then the next day you see jimmy come up. And he's got his new car but then he's also got a motorcycle and he's putting a new roof on his house and he's he's got some new clothes nearly one and a half man. Well no. I use your money to buy the car i got. I use my money to to buy this other stuff. Kinda wanted this stuff for while needed. A new roof always wanted a motorcycle. You suddenly go wait a second. What the hell you spent seven grand on all this other stuff and you borrow ten grand for me to buy our car making these numbers up junker. But you get the point. Okay if you want me to help you gotta help yourself. I jimmy you can come up with seven grand. We can talk about three something like that. Well california new york michigan. You want billions of dollars from us. You got to convince me. He got approved to me that you went through your budget line by line and you found every damn nickel that fell between the couch cushions and every office in your capitol building that you are squeezing that sucker for dear life and you're taking back you possibly can and you're tightening your belt as much as possible and then we can help you. Maybe with the rest we can make you help. You close the gap. But we're not gonna go right off the bat and just sit there how much you want a much. Only just right this. I'm just gonna leave check blank. I'm just going to sign it right there. Uncle sam and here you go cash cash at your whim. No no hell no. Let's go back to my mouth. Does tend to get the best of me and i apologize. You know what you're right. Bow will go to a break. The number eight hundred two eight two two eight two. This is derek. I'm sipping unbelievably for rush. Limbaugh we'll be right back to the rush limbaugh show derek hunter sitting in. I'm host of the dare show on. Wcbs at baltimore. also derek. hundred podcast wherever fine. Podcasts are sold for the low low price of freight. It is open line friday. The number eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two way. Go to the phones. Sean in buffalo york. Welcome sean how you doing today. I am nervous but excited. Great place to be My question my question is in willing to this earlier about What are we going to do. If they also get the senate i mean cheating un- unbelievable and you know kinda that's why sean like there's if democrats managed to win both georgia runoffs in the president. President trump tweeted today. That he's heading down there. He does not support this idea this crackpot idea of boycotting the vote. He's going to go down there and campaign for both purdue and leffler which is great but right now mitch. Mcconnell shouldn't be in georgia mitch. Mcconnell should be in west virginia. He should be sitting in the driveway of the house of joe mansion. Saying what committee. Chairmanship do you want. You can have any of them. All of them switch parties. Now that's what he should be doing. Yeah that's that that's a good good idea. You know. I had a thought the other day in a with me know this society is a hyphenated society And it's interesting that the people that they say are minorities are the people that hyphenate the most. The first the first breakfast say make is not an american. You're american after such. And such i would. I would take a little bit issue with that sean. In that it is the left. It is the left that does that. It doesn't matter what it's not necessarily any skin color it's leftist. There's a study out a pew research that came out august eleventh. Just happened to have it open because one of the reasons one of the things democrats are doing right now. Sean is trying to figure out how it was. Donald trump did so well that racist. Donald trump did so well with hispanic voters really really well and there was this poll by pew that found that mo- most latinos adults have never heard the word latino or latin x or whatever. I don't even know which one it is. And they said nine. Seventy six percent of hispanics had never even heard of the term. A twenty three percent had used had heard of it. And only three percent of hispanics latina cts yet. You turn on. Msnbc you follow in her tweets followed any of the gang of four or the squad or whatever the hell they are out there and they're tweets. It's latin next latina blah blah blah blah blah in people. Sit there and they go. What and who are. Why are you changing this. What is going on here. And they're getting sick of it to a certain extent. Donald trump doesn't care republicans. Don't care by enlarge and they don't pander which is great which is wonderful which is way you combat this kind of stupidity and division. Just your person. Are you a jerk or not a jerk. That's all i care about all right. Appreciate the call sean. Let's get you got time. Jeremy in charlotte north carolina. You're next on the rush limbaugh show. Hello jeremy derek Question for you is. It's it's been about two weeks now since the election. And i you know to me the only place i seem to be able to go to get a constant stream about the fraud. That happened is twitter and parlor It seems like not just the mainstream media but even by the people that i listened to regularly hardcore conservatives are not. I look at this as the absolute biggest issue of our time and so important. But there's only a few weeks four or five weeks to kind of make everything happened and it just seems like there should be topic number one. There's so many dimensions to that. With dominion and dead people voting and all the well. This is one thing i say. Far too many conservatives republicans look at election days a finish line and democrats. Don't it's not it's a checkpoint it's a endless marathon it never stops. It's just a checkpoint so republicans will go. Does their hands off on elections over. We really well the house blah blah blah. Let's go let's go to an island somewhere and have vacation and just get ready for the next congressional session whereas democrats are already plotting and planning what's happening right now and we'll get into it in the next hour. We have a member of the pennsylvania. Congress coming on to talk about what's going on but to put a fine point on what you were saying. Jeremy most people will not know this name. Gregory sandstrom gregory sandstrom is a navy veteran. He's forensic computer scientists. He testified up in pennsylvania on wednesday at the big hearing they had. We'll have audio coming up. But he had bombshell information as a republican poll watcher. He saw a lot of weird things documented. He's a navy veteran. He's a well respected man in the field and i decided in gathering this audio for the show today that let's see if maybe read the new york times story about him so it's not some conservative side or maybe the washington post or maybe nbc. News has so. I did a search on gregory centrum. His name news. Google fox news comes up. Wjla comes up a story from august which has nothing to do with real estate and the post millennial and then there's a story from the washington post from two thousand seventeen about jim webb. That mentioned him. No other media outlet bother to cover not only what centrum said but that hearing in general where therre were really disturbing. Things may not change the result in pennsylvania this year but these things have to result in changes to what goes on in pennsylvania in the future. Damn well better. Or republicans are screwed. Jeremy that's the kind of blackout that we're getting. Well you know. I you know i hope and pray that behind the scenes. There's a lot of fantastic lawyers and just sort of semi obscure people like that. That are just working on this. They're going to get the right result at the end of the day. But you know it's just. I hope so opinion and just what the narrative is in the country and it just seems like my gosh. There's ever a time to just put all of our want to ask and put all the energy we lose jeremy. We lost jeremy. But i would love to see personally these billionaires these so called conservative billionaires that are out there they'll they give tons of money to the tanks. Jeff bezos bought the washington post for pocket. Change for him buys get into the media business. Okay even if it's a loss leader to get some honest journalism some honest reporting going on out there. It shouldn't be a struggle. We shouldn't have to read between the lines to get to the news anyway. We'll we'll step here on derek hunter sitting in for rush limbaugh right back. I just corrected via email. 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I wanna talk about pennsylvania and talk about the election in general. I don't know whether or not it was stolen. It sure as hell seems really really suspicious that there would be eighty million people in this country looking at joe biden hiding his basement for six months and kamala harris not doing one single press conference no scrum. Nothing and say. I gotta have that. I really gotta have that. That's that's for me right there. When joe biden opens his mouth and he loses his train of thought before it even gets out of the station. And you sit there and you think who who looks at that and goes more plays more plays maybe comedy central. But they don't really do comedy anymore so they probably wouldn't either. That's why it's just curious to think not only did joe biden. Do better than barack obama did. He's better than anybody ever has. Something like ten or fifteen million more votes than barack obama. You're telling me. In two thousand and eight barack obama on the ballot the excitement the everybody knew john mccain was gonna lose in two thousand eight it was. It was just it. Was there the only thing that gave him a chance with sarah palin being on the ballot conservatives with john mccain he got glowing press coverage by attacking conservative so we weren't super excited about voting for him but we held our breath. Did it but you also you know. It's like okay it's gonna be. It's gonna be barack. Obama barring a miracle. The miracle didn't happen then in two thousand twelve. Barack obama actually got fewer votes than he did in two thousand eight. because that's kind of the pattern. not very. Many presidents have gone up in subsequent reelection bids it just so happened that the republicans didn't publicly kinda got decimated in the bush years. You had a vice president who loved dick cheney. But he didn't want to be president so there is no heir apparent which meant it was a free for all republicans defaulted back to two thousands runner up and said all right you can have it and then in two thousand twelve. It wasn't much better pickens. We ended up with mitt romney right. Lamb to the slaughter and romney had a good debate and romney did okay and the campaign. not okay. maybe just maybe and then no. even then barack obama's vote total went down. And you're telling me that people were more excited and it's not just population growth came. We may gain ten million people in population over that time period. Were expected to believe it. Something happened to the cities of detroit. philadelphia atlanta milwaukee. Where people are just like. I gotta i gotta have that biden. I don't know know what to tell you. Get out of my way. I'd i'd go trample everybody to get on that biden so That's what seems fishy at best to put it politely to a lot of us out here it doesn't make any sense. It's maybe true. But what's kinda give away is when you do just ask basic questions like scratching your head going. Wow the city of detroit really went overwhelmingly in record numbers for seventy seven year. Old white guy never really set foot in the city. That's kind of weird. The asked that question suddenly you're problematic. Oh don't how dare you question it and by president trump questioning and challenging some of the results. Because there's is a lot of fishing is going on keeping poll-watchers out bat massive dumps of votes that went ninety nine percent. joe biden. president asks questions. He's threatening our democracy. It's a threat to our democracy. Doing doing nothing about voter. Fraud is a threat to our democracy. Doing nothing about anything that's potentially cheapening. The votes of americans is a threat to our democracy and want to get in the way back machine here for a second with cut seven just because the talking heads the breathless pearl clutches engaging their fainting catch you can see them collectively. They put the back of their wrists to their forehead and engaged their fainting couch and fan themselves going. Oh well i never talking about what is happening right now. They don't remember two thousand thirty seven days of al gore that that was that was i was college. Then that was massive. Nobody was going my god. It's a threat to our democracy. Plus they didn't even they didn't even bother to say that al gore lost his home state lost his home district that he used to represent in congress. It was all about florida. Why al gore can do whatever he wants to do. We can fully understand that. Then you have two thousand sixteen when donald trump won it's like these liberals don't think we remember that the internet exists. It's much more ubiquitous than it was in two thousand one and all of these talking heads on cable news are aware of the internet. Because they're all on the twitter and the facebook and they're all touting their following so that means that there's a massive archive out there of everything that they said so. I just wanna play this. Cut between chris hayes and michael moore from two thousand and sixteen to remind everybody that what donald trump is doing is not anywhere close in the same time zone the same hemisphere as what they were encouraging hillary clinton to do and the electors back in two thousand and sixteen. Here's chris hayes and michael moore hoping praying trying to pressure electors members of the electoral college to switch their votes cut. Seven go ahead. There are people who are pushing very hard who think that because of some of the constitutional perils of the emoluments clause because of the popular vote margin because of a fundamentals they think threat to liberal democracy that the that electric should be persuaded and pressured on monday. Two to part with what their pledges and vote and vote against donald trump. Yes they absolutely absolutely. I've i believe right. Now that there are electors only thirty eight of them who have a conscience or who are worried about a man who attend the daily security briefings who who we now know. Russia was trying to help get elected. That's a lie right there. Michael moore lying. He was member of the liberal. Elite in good standing still is chris hayes. Is you know goes to the same. Barber is rachel maddow sitting there encouraging it. When what have these two and others of their ilk been doing since the election. Donald trump is refusing to accept the results of the election. It is an outrage. It's a threat to our democracy. These are the same people that say. Donald trump tweet criticizing immediate threat to our democracy. No our democracy. Our democracy isn't that fragile. The founding fathers were on to something. I realized you left. He's don't hold them in any esteem but they knew what they were doing. You don't but they did. Don't ever forget that so as we enter. What's going on now. It's important to have that frame of reference of how things were just four short years ago. All of these players are still with us. All of these players have just ripped off their one. Uniform took off the visitors uniform and now they're wearing the home uniform. They're they're preaching exact same are the exact opposite of what they said back then. Michael moore was not chastised for threatening our democracy. Chris hayes was not chastised for threatening our democracy not by challenging. The results by saying there was fraud but simply bypassing the votes of the people donald trump is trying to make sure that the actual votes of the people count. That's the difference between two thousand sixteen and twenty two twenty twenty. Donald trump wants to make sure they got the vote right. Because if you just look at the numbers it doesn't make any sense. It might be true but it doesn't make any sense so trying to make sense of. It is part of what separates us from the animals. It's a good thing we can look at something and understand things and go. How does this. What does this mean. Okay now i get it now. We can go on but asking questions is a hell of a lot different than putting pressure on. Electors jason alexander. The guy who played george costanza on seinfeld put out a four minute video on youtube. It was very very calm his in his room. He's wearing khakis so you know he was very serious. Talk to those electors out there. You know this is wrong. You know this is wrong. Hillary got more votes. And so we ask you to To change your vote in the electoral college. They were actively openly lobbying to bypass the will of the people in the various states. And go right to the electors so spare me the pearl clutching the indignation of all holy frank to nanna. They're threatening our democracy. No no we're not. We're fighting to uphold the democracy because one fraudulent vote disenfranchises. one american. One american being disenfranchised is far too many. I look at it the same way. I look at like the murder of kate. Steinle or anybody. Any american bernard by an illegal alien the left always whenever there's something they refuse to cover kate stanley's murder for months and months and months and they say when they finally did. They always put the caveat in there. Well remember. you're more likely to be murdered by an american then you are to be murdered by undocumented migrants or whatever they happen to be calling them at that given time and that's true it's a numbers game three hundred and thirty million americans eleven million illegal aliens just statistically it goes in that direction the difference being anybody murdered by an illegal alien. Wouldn't have been murdered if the illegal alien weren't in the country see. That's the difference. It's not like that movie. Final destination where it's your time it's your time and there's nothing you can do about it if that illegal alien was not in. San francisco is not in the united states. That day to kill kate. Steinle kate steinle would not have been murdered by somebody else. Somebody wouldn't have stepped up. It wasn't her time he murdered. The same thing goes with voting. The question for leftist on immigration is how many americans being murdered by illegal. Aliens is enough. Is there a line somewhere suddenly. Go now i care. We're at x number now. It's a problem and before that it's all like doesn't really matter. No big deal. The question for democrats now voting is how many americans being disenfranchised having their votes cancelled by illegal. Votes is enough for you to start to care to at least ask questions to look in and say. Wait a second. Something isn't right here. This is weird. Everybody can admit it's weird when in the middle of the night three thirty in the morning. And suddenly there's a right angle in a graph. That doesn't seem right. Why why did it shoot up. Why are there. One hundred thousand votes for joe biden and none donald trump. Because that's not how vote counting works. They don't go all right. We'll separate them into who gets what and then we'll count the biden pile. Then we'll count trump pile vote counting works or at least it's not supposed to be so that we have questions is normal that the left is insisting we not ask. Those questions is abnormal. Which gives rise to a lot of curious head-scratching going wait a second. Why are we allowed to ask questions. These are the people who get You know question authority tattooed on their face. There's the people who consider themselves rebels. Which is another things. The left is the ultimate party of conformity absolute conform. Yeah you can put a spike through your head. You can do wear whatever you want. You can claim some new gender. You just created and be that as long as you think the way they say you'll be fine but if you happen to be you know thinking for yourself. The calls for tolerance inclusivity. Suddenly the way of the dodo. Ask clarence thomas. Ask condoleeza rice. How tolerant the left really is really what they want. When they celebrate. Diversity is nothing but a bunch of different colored like-minded drones. You're able to do whatever you want as long as you do what you're told you're able to think whatever you want as long as you think what we think that's the modern left well when it comes to this election. No i got some questions. You got some questions. We demand some answers. We're going to talk to somebody after the news. Who can maybe hopefully give us some answers. And even if the answer is a it was a fluke. What are you going to do. Joe biden's wildly popular with young urban kids. Maybe that's the case but it sure as heck seems like fraud and we definitely need to make sure that our elections are secure before the next one is. If we don't if we let this sort of i'll just be generous and call it. Weirdness metastasized the rest of the country. Republicans will never win another election again. We can win on fair ground. How donald trump can win when he's got ten billion dollars worth of free media attacks against him from the media itself can't beat cheating though that's the problem. We have some amazing audio coming up clothing and your phone calls at eight hundred two eight two two eight two. I am derek hunter. I'm lucky enough to be sitting in for rush limbaugh today. He'll be back on monday. We'll be right back. Going back to the rush limbaugh show derek hunters sitting in breaking news out of pennsylvania the day for pennsylvania. Federal appeals court rejected an attempt by president trump donald trump's reelection campaign to Repeal and since cnbc effort to undo the results of pennsylvania's presidential election. We'll have more on this. That's the latest There's always there's always more but let's get to the phones because it is open line. Friday eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two. We go out to los angeles with john. Welcome to the show. John yes derek. Thank you for taking my call queue for making it. I wonder if you can name another losing presidential candidate to blame his loss on election fraud. Well privately richard nixon in one thousand nine hundred sixty because of the mob in chicago did richard nixon himself blame that loss on on crime fraud privately privately but he didn't go on television. He wasn't the president of the united snow. But it was marcus news very rules back then. It was a different world. John can you name another president in the united states who had been routinely called hitler from the day of his election and on his inauguration day when chris matthews called his inauguration address hitlerian. I'll wait ably could if i researched it but really not. I don't think that's i mean that's not the president of the united states. That's doing that kind of Joe biden absol offals. Hitler this election cycle. So i mean yeah. Let's not pretend that didn't break. I will. I appreciate the call. But i just got to say that. Yeah things are different than you want to talk about how things got different. Thanks for the call. John but let's talk about how things got different because it was always marketed. Queensberry rules in everybody's gentlemanly and we must all do this. That and the other thing and everybody now on the left and the media says donald trump broke all these norms ruined all these norms. Oh of him. Suddenly everybody turns into a cheers. Patron norms norms norms. No if it wasn't that long ago the word bush. Hitler mean anything to you. One word to syllables bush. Hitler bush hitler they kind of set like it was one syllable and the left kind of said. Well we're not going to really talk about that. We're going to let him call hitler then. Suddenly bush hitler went away and barack obama came. And there was no obama's hitler. To the extent that obama was hitler existed it was from the lyndon larouche people every once in a while they'd take the picture in the media and say look. They've got a picture of obama with a hitler moustache as conservatives and then you look it's like larouche pac down in the corner those are lefties they were crazy now. There the mainstream the democrat party but suddenly thousand sixteen comes around. And it's hitler hitler hitler everywhere you go. That's a norm that was broken. You wanna talk about donald. Trump's incivility one thing. I will point out about president. Trump is he doesn't hit. I he hits back and he hits back hard as he should as anybody should but he is not out there picking fights with little old ladies and finding. Some backbench congressman. Nobody's ever heard of he responds. That is maybe a new norm that you don't like if you wanna go by marcus queensberry rules. But he isn't out there calling everybody mao call him. Stalin calling them hitler. that's the left. That's a pretty damn big norm. So that the president roused back at them. Forgive me for not caring. We'll be back sitting in for rush. Limbaugh we'll be back here on monday if you're not welcome to the program it's open line. Friday eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two is the telephone number to try and sneak one past the goalie both snerdley. Today we joined now by pennsylvania state representative representing the eighty sixth legislative district up there in pennsylvania. Greg rothman congressman rothman. How are you. i'm well. Derek how are you. I'm doing well. And i just basic question hell's going on up there. In pennsylvania had big hearing there. You participated in this hearing on wednesday and one of the things that stuck out to me as. I'm listening to this wednesday afternoon. Was the testimony from greg stents drum. Who is a navy veteran in a forensic computer scientists guy is an election observer for the republicans before we get into your response to this. I wanna play a clip for you and get your reaction to it because no matter what happens in this election. Things got to change their in pennsylvania to cut ten. Go ahead what we saw there. But i saw a chain of custody and all cases that was broken. Broken for the mail in ballots. The dropbox ballasts the election day. Usb card flash drives in all cases the chain of custody and the procedures that were defined by the delaware county board of elections and election process review. We're all they didn't follow one. I couldn't even redline this multi page documents because the entire document would. They didn't follow any of the procedures. Congressman rothman. How is it possible for one county to is it. That incompetent is that corrupt one. County not. Just get it wrong. There's always gonna be heirs around the edges. That's what being human is but to get everything completely wrong. How does that happen well. And you know we saw. It's indisputable That we saw in both philadelphia county and allegheny county that hundreds of thousands of votes were counted without any observation without the other side being able to observe So why You know that's that's the question we're trying to get at but it's The the law that we passed back in october of two thousand nineteen seventy seven. Which would allow ready for this. No excuse absentee ballot. Voting turned into a mail in ballot mail in voting campaign. That was Changed numerous times. This created whole cloth by the supreme court in the state wasn't it. yeah they they added things like that Ballots could receive three days after the election. Verification signatures wasn't required The department of state created regulations. That flew in the face of what the law said including dropbox is where you could just drop your balance off So all those things are indisputable. The question is whether or not those played a role in Vice president biden winning the election fencing and their number of us in the legislature. They're trying to get to answer that. And by the way we're not We're not alleging anything we we're listening to testimony in two thousand sixteen the same governor in the same administration. You waited until december twelve to certify election. What is the urgency of a certifying election on november twenty fourth. This time the difference is if you certify it then you have to officially legally challenge it. If you don't certify it then you can possibly have a better chance of of changing. The results congressman rothman and other clip from gregory. Stensrud want to skip the cut twelve here because this one. This one is bizarre to me. You are in the room and it seems to me that there was an audible gasp when this happened and under oath testimony cut twelve go observe. The locker room in the back office was seventy thousand unopened mail in ballots. They were in boxes of five hundred stacked and neatly. The gentleman came in with me is was a Democrat poll watcher is a forensic pathologist very detailed very dedicated man. He took meticulous notes as well. And i verify with him. Are you seeing what i'm seeing. We both agreed. Gop poll-watchers in a democrat poll watcher. That we had witnessed seventy sixty to seventy thousand. We had a little bit of a disagreement. There the problem with that was by that time. The mail in ballots had already been counted. So one hundred and twenty thousand mail in ballots had already been counted posted and done so. My question is where. Do the seventy thousand ballots. Go do we know rothman. We know what was going on there. Do not know and our our state government committee requested that the secretary of state Democratic appointee come in and answer questions. She refused That same committee invited dominion voting systems. Machines that Are in fourteen of our counties in to answer questions of our committee at the last minute. They cancelled That that's that's the concern of many of the republicans in the legislature. That we'd like answers. And i think that anybody who loves democracy and cares about this country on the side of the aisle would wanna make sure that nothing that you know that this this election was legitimate that but everybody wants to make sure the world series is legitimate but a couple years ago you know now astros fans don't care all that much. This is bigger than that right. I mean yes. There's been a next year and we're talking about elections that our country. Because i frankly if we allow this to happen without investigating just encourages bad actors in future elections or in an election georgia in early january. Is there any bipartisan. Republicans control the state house in pennsylvania. But is there any democrat reaching out to you even privately saying look when the spotlight dies down. I get crucified by my own party. If i come out now but when the light dies down. Yeah i agree. We have to make some changes here. I have not heard from many in that. It doesn't mean people in the party. i just haven't heard from other members that told me they have But but we're all concerned because the elections you know that's the most important thing we do. it's how we choose our leaders and whether it's a president or or state representative or anywhere in between We have to make sure we get it right. And the voters depend on. We are a nation of The consent of the governed right and so if if they're not able to choose the leaders they want They going to question the legitimacy of the government. So that's that's why this is so important that we get it right. And what are the democrats in the last held rallies they after election count every vote count every vote and then as soon as vice president biden took the lead. They stop talking about the well. That was al. Gore's playbook in florida in two thousand. Keep counting until i get ahead. Got al franken in the senate by guest is congressman greg. Routh from pennsylvania congressman. What can you tell what. What did you watched all of this unfold in person and you know the players involved you know the party machines involved. You grew up in this. What bothered you the most. What what what was the biggest red flag for you get. Democracy dies darkness right. Isn't that the new york times. Says they saw. It had servers fact that observers from both games either campaigns or both parties were not allowed to observe the county. I mean that that to me is the most dangerous thing. I've lost plenty of elections that i supported candidates lose that happens. We all know about that. But the idea that you can Have ballots counted without. And when you have mail in voting it's different. It's not like you're looking at the machine. When hundreds of thousands of votes counted without anybody being able to observe is is very concerning to me. And we heard that from both ends of the state philadelphia pittsburgh and you have a room. Apparently with at least seventy thousand one hundred twenty thousand square foot warehouse convention center. I mean i think about one hundred and twenty thousand square feet. That's a into to be two hundred feet away or twenty feet away. I can't read something. That's ten feet away so Observing means something then and we know it's that's not in dispute that the democratic control counties not allow republicans to observe the count as you. You described the situation as the audio. We played a lot of people are sitting there. going in. That sounds really messed up. Where are the courts now in pennsylvania you have a democrat dominated supreme court talk a little bit about what they have done to show their cards as less judges and more activists in today you elect judges so these are partisan democrats. It ran campaigns One of them either ran on a campaign talking about how we need to change our our our districts in our maps Which generally is only done every ten years And then went and voted on changing them at sin instead of on legislature to do it. The democrat controlled supreme court wrote their own that which changed congressional elections in las. How many republicans. Seats in that redistricting. By i think i think we lost five at that point which is crazy and and gave nancy pelosi control congress so And now we're even number of nine and nine but this this is a very partisan court They upheld everything that every coney measure that are democrat governor instituted during code including a rule. The other day on wednesday nights at five pm bars could no longer serve alcohol in the bars. Still be eating. It can still drink soda but they will not serve alcohol and many of these things. We appeal to supreme court ruled. The governor had that authority which doesn't and the secretary of state has secretary of health. Has they don't and now the secretary of state in the election the courts have given her or should we don't believe in the law so there are no help how often are the the staggered elections of our up each cycle for the supreme court. How long term. I knew it goes to a certain age so there there will be make you serve. I think it's a ten year and you ever tensions But we we are going to have at least one coming up because it seems like you have to change the court in order to change the state legislature and even if you change the governor's mansion they're there to just say not interested liberal policies go forward and that's right courts are just as important. And and maybe more. So in this case congressman. Gr- representative. Greg rothman of pennsylvania. Thank you for letting us interrupt your Your thanksgiving weekend. Not like a super good news coming out of there but we gotta know because we got to know where to fight and how to fight. Thank you congressman. You don't give up. Never never it's a checkpoint on an end keep your elbows sharpen up. You're listening to the rush. Limbaugh show on the eib network will be right back. Welcome back to the rush limbaugh show. I'm derek hunter sitting in it's open line. Friday eight hundred two eight two two eight eight. Two people are very very kind to hold. And i will do my best to get to all of you. We go back to the phones because it is open line. Friday we start up in burlington vermont with paul. Thank you for holding paul. Hey derek happy thanksgiving happy thanksgiving wouldn't agree with your point that i don't think eighty million americans looked at joe biden. Said we want him. I'm sensing was i think. Eighty million americans looked at president trump's and said we don't want him of explains the outcome of he'll do you really think that many low because i could buy some i'd buy five million i'd bet it you know that's fine. President trump is one thing. President trump does not inspire is indifference. Paul so i'll give you that but yeah to fifteen million eighty million people more than barack obama by double digits by ten million or more said. I got to go against him there. We didn't see that kind of bump against obama from republicans it just. There's a bump but not that big of a bump. There was more of a drop in his support from eight to twelve. Do you think that. Eighty million people. When i got to get rid of this guy because what let me ask you this. I assume you're up in vermont. You got bernie sanders up there and you're putting this where you one of those eighty million people who said i got vote against this guy. I was okay. We're all friends here. It's fine yeah. of course now. What did donald trump do that. So upset you that you said. I've got to get rid of this guy. Well i didn't vote for him last time either. Okay but you skip to the. Let's say you skipped to the bulls this time. Okay yeah okay. Yeah yeah well. I think there's a number of things i think Some some of the norms that you talked earlier clearly upset some people but when i talked about those who will go up by one of them one by one but i when i said those norms those norms were not destroyed by donald trump. He didn't come out and start calling everybody hitler. And that's kind of important norm. That was destroyed long before donald trump came down the escalator. But i think the refer to the press is the enemy of the people i think is is is unsettling i think that we have but you acknowledged that he said is the enemy of the people actually said fake news is the enemy of the people but he did nothing about it for all the pearl clutching over. Always that threat to the first amendment. He didn't do anything to the press. he didn't push any legislation. You didn't sign name. The executive orders that had to be overturned for violating the first amendment. While barack obama actually spied on twenty associated press reporters phones. He actually went. Through james rosen at fox news is parents email to find sources so it saying something is one thing sticks the sticks and stones doctrine compared to obama. Who did something. Why didn't it bother you. That obama did something. Why bother you so much that just don't trump called him the fake news enemy of the people well. Donald trump was running against barack obama. I understand that but never did you. Did you vote for mitt romney. Twenty twelve. I did not i didn't i i'm i'm like you said i'm in vermont. Bernie sanders it. It's a perfectly acceptable answer to say it's my team. I don't care it's an honest answer. I grew up loving the red wings. And i hated chris. Chelsea's a hell of a defense man for the chicago. Blackhawks hated him. It was so good then he became a red wing. And i loved him. I get it the my team philosophy. It's okay to give that answer. Yeah no i think. I think for a lot of people well again. I can speak for myself. I think for me. It started with donald trump's racist birther movement when he which to me was was racism plain and simple and clearly again going back to you know these twenty five women that accused him of sexual assault. Though i mean i i just have a real problem with that. I think i think It's you voted for joe biden right. Yeah but you know. I don't think anybody accused. Joe biden of quite. What donald trump did you buy. Tara reid's book. She's got a book. She's the one who accused him of what would constitute definition legal definition of rape but definitely sexual assault and she actually had contemporaneous evidence at the time. There's also a allegedly a report she filed in the senate at the time back in nineteen ninety-three that is sealed in the university of delaware in biden's papers that he would not any allow anybody to look at that. Give you pause at all paul. Well yeah. I certainly didn't understand why those records born opened up. You know. i mean they're not library something she should be open but but again i. I think couldn't maybe guess why. Well i mean. Why isn't donald trump release his taxes. Can we look. You don't have to do what aboutism you can say. It's my team. I i it is okay. Let's see that's perfectly fair. It's i i don't agree with it but it's perfectly fair that you say it. I'm not going to judge you. For saying i appreciate the honesty. Were literally up against the clock. Paul i spent a lot of time with you. I appreciate it. We had a civil conversation. Nobody called anybody in nazi. Even though you probably aren't. I'm just kidding. You're listening to the rush limbaugh show on derrick. Welcome back to the rush limbaugh show. I am derek. Hunter failing the seat doing the best. I can rush. While he enjoys the holiday weekend he will be back here on monday. So a fear not your shall not have to hear my nasal drone on monday. We'll get to more of your phone calls. It is open line friday plus a bunch. More news coming up support for this. Podcast comes from williams. Some people deliver packages others delivered dinner. At williams we deliver natural gas that is safe clean and affordable and have for over one hundred years. That's how we feel the clean energy future williams. We may clean energy happen. Learn more at williams dot com. That's w. i l. l. a. m. s. dot com o. Our three. where our one to go. I am derek hunter. I'm the host of the derek under show and the derek hunter podcast and the author of the book outrage inc. Just a thrilled to be here on. Open line friday number eight hundred two eight two two eight eight to the man himself. I can't thank him enough. We'll be back here on monday. So fear not just of put a fine point on what we were talking about at the end of the hour going on in pennsylvania. Just want to point this out just again. Asking questions doesn't seem to be any problem with ask well. The left hates being questioned about anything but as americans. This thanksgiving free to ask questions give you just. Some numbers did not a lot of numbers numbers. Don't go over well on the radio. But from six counties in pennsylvania having to be controlled by democrats Philadelphia montgomery delaware. Chester bucks allegany. Joe biden campaign. He managed to surpass barack obama's vote totals by a total of two hundred sixty eight thousand votes in those six counties up in pennsylvania. That's three times. The current air quotes victory margin for joe biden in the state of pennsylvania of eighty. One thousand six hundred sixty votes. Now trump won this state in two thousand sixteen. I'm not saying it's impossible that everybody was excited. About barack obama in two thousand eight got really excited and dragged friends and neighbors to the polls just saying that seems a little unlikely. I get understood the excitement. Around barack obama in two thousand and eight from democrats from the left and from people who weren't politically engaged. Her didn't have any idea what the guy actually stood. War wanted to do. I can understand you. Just look at it and go. This is super exciting. He's really cool. And he's the first black guy blah blah blah. I got all that. Joe biden is like. It's it's the weird grandpa that you reluctantly visited easter i. Nobody's excited about that. Creepy guy telling stories about young kids putting his leg hair throwdown with corn pop in a parking lot. Well he's lifeguard at a pool and somebody says more of that please. I came for the whimsical rambling pointless stories. I stayed for the decades of casual racism. I must vote for this guy. I'm sorry i just need to see you know you go out on a golf course and you you tell me your shot a sixty okay. Great guard is nice. But i wanna talk to the other people in your foursome. I got to know how that happened. That's just me and other news. Over the last couple of days there was wednesday. There was a big victory late. Wednesday late wednesday. A big decision out of the supreme court for religious liberty which anybody who sits there and says donald trump's tweets mean tweets about the press. That's a threat to our democracy. It's a horrible horrible thing. He did you see that. He tweeted out of me of him wrestling. cnn logo. How are we going to deal with this. Brian stelter the human weeble over there wobbling not falling down but crying silently to himself. This is a threat to democracy. Well the threats to religious freedom because by the way trump did nothing about the press by the way can do anything the first amendment he respects the first amendment. The left doesn't respect the first amendment. Don't respect really any of the amendments particularly the second they wrap themselves in the first wiping themselves with the second they look at only part of the. I the part that has to do with the press. They're not so much a fan of are they like the gatherings depending on what it's for the right to peaceably assemble. They love that. As long as it doesn't even have to be peaceably. It can be full blown riots and you'll have alley belge standing in front of roasting weenies on a burning tire store going. It's mostly for. Don't pay any attention to this fire. But if people get together and say we want to not be locked in our houses we'd like to be able to make a living again. We can resume life safely again. Get out of our way government though they don't like those peaceable the actual peaceable assembly they said did you see there carrying guns. Yeah how many people got shot at those people got killed and chop seattle too. So if you're keeping score and that's just one of the riots. I'm pretty sure that the side of pro freedom as a lower body count at zero but the religious liberty aspect of the first amendment is another part of the constitution in the first amendment that the left despises they don't like religion. Their religion is god or government and their god is climate change. That's all they're interested in anything that distracts from that you know. Think about mount olympus. None of the gods like any of the other gods because they all wanted to be up on top leftists. Don't like competition. Even from god to their concept of god so you had all these states imposing restrictions on believers in various states across the country the supreme court in the past has kind of let it slide for two four generally and four two four decisions or five four meter. Ginsburg was alive. They they were winning. Government can restrict the number of people churches. Have they can close churches if they want. Well case out of new york went back to the supreme court. Only this is different. Supreme court this supreme court as justice amy coney barrett sitting on it and in a five four ruling yesterday. I guess it was thanksgiving day. The supreme court issued an injunction blocking new york from enforcing a ten to twenty five person occupancy limit on religious institution. It's this is a huge win for religious liberty for the constitution. Everybody gets it. Nobody's out there. Running around saying covert is a myth. Cova does this cova does that. But if you have a large facility and lee and religious people faithful people want to attend a service and they socially doesn't they take care of everything else. We're told if you can't socially distance wear a mask we're told mask saves lives so if you're wearing a mask what's the problem. We're also told mask saves lives you must. You must wear a mask while the very same people telling us that are releasing people from prison because it's unsafe because cove it which i would say get. A mask should be problem solved. Right was where a mask masked save lives. How about you. Just give the prisoners masks. Seems like a way to not let rapists out of prison. I'm all in favor of that but nobody ever asked those questions. Because we'd have to have an honest about it but this supreme court decision reaffirming. The right of the people to have freedom of religion was not met well by our leftist friends. Ben rhodes remember him. he was the national security adviser. Under barack obama failed novelist. He majored in creative. Writing got his master's degree in creative writing. And by the time you graduate colleges you just be able to write but you gotta go back for three more years of study. Whenever probably really only got his job because his brother ran. Cbs news but he was up there and now he's in msnbc contributor because why not liberals fail up and they fail into into high paying jobs. He tweeted out upon the news of the supreme court. Decision quote the new illegitimate five to four skoda's majority overturning. A policy of to put more lives in danger happened to freedom of choice. What happened to that. They're only they're not really into freedom of choice. One thing one area only everything else. They want to restrict now in dissent. This is kind of funny and lets you know. Where the liberals on the court coming from justice sonia sotomayor added. I footnote the first page. This is her first footnote quote ironically due to the success of new york's public health measures. The diocese is no longer subject to the numerical caps on attendance. It seeks to enjoin. See brief blah blah blah yet. The court grants this application to ensure that should infection rates rise. Once again the governor will be unable to reimplement the very measures that have proven so successful at allowing the free and comparatively safe exercise of religion in new york. She's praising andrew cuomo governor andrew cuomo oversaw more deaths than most countries governor andrew cuomo's nursing homes killed ten to twenty thousand and we don't even know how many because they changed the way they counted things. It's really kind of a nice little shell game. Cuomo's up there really are like those guys playing three card monty in times square late at night constantly talking so you don't notice what their hands doing. Andrew cuomo issued the executive order on nursing homes and two months later he rescinded it two months later then on his book tour said i didn't. We never actually used that you did. Actually people acted accordingly in accordance with law governor but it took him two months to rescind it after. Thousands of deaths took them months to order. The subways to be sterilized every night. The subways petri dishes on wheels. What why didn't occur to you that have pandemic might spread in a tuna can on wheels underground poor ventilation but andrew cuomo denied all of it. I can understand the lash the rationalization behind the nursing home order. When you think your hospitals are going to be overwhelmed you sign this and said well people in nursing him they have some medical care there so we can maybe not clutter up some of them. They'll get the same kind of medical care we can give them in a hospital. I don't understand it taking two months of not going to capacity not needing the comfort station in new york harbor that never filled up never got any covert patients. I don't think or the makeshift bills. They in in central park never got patients so he preemptively ordered seniors to their death on the off chance. Maybe even the prospect at the hospitals are going to be overrun. But they weren't and it took him two months to do that. But thank god for a conservative supreme court. If you want to practice your religion you are now free to do. So in new york now justice roberts sided with the liberals which i hope you're sitting down because i nobody's surprised by that. The liberals were very upset new york times reporter elizabeth williamson. This is how an unbiased reporter. She's a new york times reporter. Don't you see. She tweeted out on hearing the news. Quote holiday service super spreaders brought to you in part by the catholic church which got the supreme court it wanted just in time for christmas. Sounds like she's really fair open and willing to hear people out doesn't it. Doesn't it now not at all but this is who the left. Is they show us who they are. They really do show us who they are. All we have to do is look. All we have to do is listen. Meanwhile people are actually suffering from these lockdowns. The study out of virginia last week. That showed that the number of fs students getting double more than doubled special needs kids more than tripled. Its been a disaster that distance learning with teachers unions love it. Teachers unions love it. Remember when l. A teacher's union said we're not coming back until you do this that and the other thing ensure our safety and defunding the police which you're sitting there going. What the hell this have to do with anything. It doesn't it's just liberals will parasitic ghulam on any one of their little christmas tree ornaments onto their their wish list of things. Then got this out of the washington post. Virtual schooling has largely forced. Mom's not dad's to quit work. It will hurt the economy for years. More than two million women dropped out of the labor force. As of october. The percent of american women working is the lowest since nineteen eighty eight. You would think democrats the party of women would be a little bit concerned by this and the dilemma. That families face. You would be wrong. Nancy pelosi she did not push through her progressive wing. And say okay. We're not going to get republicans to agree to bail out cities and states who spent irresponsibly just yet but we can help. People women are suffering. We're supposed to be the party of women. I'm a woman in nancy pelosi's voice because i am not. I don't even identify as one but she didn't she. Lets it go. These women suffering described by the washington. Post which goes through. You know you gotta find childcare. You got to find all these things now. The kids are at home. Every every parent at home knows this. Every parent knows the perils of distance. Learning and know should know that. Nancy pelosi is looking at that and saying oh how can i use this to my advantage. Which is really kind of sick if you think about it. Part of women. The party of people the party of children the children's for the children every other day you hear some democrats screaming about what about the children. We must do this for the children. What are they doing to children. Thank god children. Don't get impacted. Dramatically by cove nineteen the exact opposite of the spanish flu in one thousand nine hundred eighteen. Thank god for that. But what are we doing. We're looking at kids. Who are not going to be able to make up this time. We're looking at parents. Who are not gonna be able to make up this time. In earnings the children are going to have to be held back for at least a year at least a year and then since not only did they not advanced. They've atrophied that might even be more than a year or it'd be worse. I mean i don't even know which is worse the hold everybody back a year or just say well. We're gonna push forward. You can decide all of this while democrats insist on bailouts for local governments that overspent and under delivered trying to bail out state. Pensions that they over promised on and spent the money on the state of illinois gives lottery winners. I owe us. They're so far gone. Ready to fund that among take a pass on that this is open line. friday. I am derek sitting in for the great rush. Limbaugh the number eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two we. We'll get to your phone calls when we get back. Welcome back to the rush limbaugh. Show i am derek. Hunter here on the eib network. It's open line. Friday eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two. Let's talk to paul in lewiston maine. Thank you for holding paul. You've been very patient. Thank you thank you unless you derek. Great job reporting. Thank you. I been a fan of yours for years. We you on townhall and I you're the one thank you well. You're not the ball right out of the park. It's getting to the point now. Where i don't leave the others. Throw a click every now and then paul just to be nice. Listen I'm i'm a self employed builder. I i've been building for forty years. I know what it's like to do. Roofing part of your your bio. Was that movie for a while. I did two summers of roofing. Actually one eight months stint and also did some construction. Some concrete work to and and electricity assistant which was mostly digging ditches and blowing wire through tubes. Well you know. I would attribute your skill as a writer to being a good roofer. There's so much time to think and it makes you ugly. You know roofing make make your ugly filthy. I still have my red wing boots covered in that eight hundred degree tar and i still have some scars on my legs from it. That is amazing. It's really amazing. So we've got a lot in common. I share the ron paul campaign in two thousand twelve here in maine and i've had my feet on the ground and i get work. Well with the grass roots. i I passed on your articles to a lot of other people. People are tuning in so you might want to keep that point the point of that pencil shop again. You're writing as well as you do Well thank you. I i wanted to say that was It was a great ruling yesterday. And of course cuomo didn't take much time to do damage. Control says the decision was irrelevant. They blast well the way they tried to do it. And this is what roberts fell for is right two days before the court was to rule would hear the case the court the state said we're gonna lift restrictions now and try to say there's nothing to rule on. We're not oppressing anybody but that would just mean that they could slap them back on. Wait for the appeal to get it to the supreme court. Pull it back off again and play that little shell game. And that's what gorst gorsuch actually blasted chief justice roberts for because robert said right on the merits. But there's really no harm here since the things have been pulled back it's It's it's manipulation. It's like filing suits fifteen different places across the country judge shopping. Kind of way predictable. You know it is paul. I hate to cut you off. Because you've been so kind jamaica embarrassed and we're up against the clock enjoy some lobster up there say hi to my friend garrett run into. I'm derek hunter. This is the rush. Limbaugh show will be right back really. Is derek hunter filling in for rush. Hi dad dad. Listening up in northern michigan couple. We'll get to more your phone calls. I promise it is open line friday but my mouth does have a lot of things to get out of it. I wanna talk a little bit about the pardon of general. Flynn judge sullivan. It's really a disgrace to the bench bench in dragging his feet on dropping charges against general. Michael flynn for the crime of allegedly lying to fbi agents when the first pass of those fbi agents said. He didn't lie to us. They also had the transcript. The only reason to go and talk to michael. Flynn was in the hopes that he says something they could contorts into a ally was part of. They gotta get something. The left the one thing left has spent doing consistently throughout the trump years is trying to claim scalps. That's it they don't care all you gotta take down in american hero. Who cares is is it. The trump scalp. let's get. let's just get it. It's it's really sick. And so president trump had been holding off on the part and i think president trump would have ranted this pardon a long time ago but general flynn wanted. The exoneration judge sullivan refused to drop the charges. Of course everybody knows that and appointed a retired judge to come in an advocate on behalf of the court which almost unheard of to say. Why the chargers shouldn't have been dropped. Which is ridiculous. Then that case kept going forward getting appeal and appeal dragging out dragging out dragging out and judge sullivan rather than handle his defeats at the appellate in federal court levels. He decided while we gotta have more hearings on this and he scheduled them and then he scheduled delayed and delayed them past january twentieth. Just coincidentally i'm sure it was just a technical oversight hoping that donald trump wouldn't be president after then well. Donald trump looked at that and said this is. This is enough while i still can. Who knows what will happen before january twentieth. But while i still can. I'm going to grant the pardon. And so general. Flynn is free yet. There are left us out there who are wildly unhappy one. Msnbc legal analyst msnbc and nbc news legal in us. It's a whole cable news. World is so incestuous so former federal prosecutor under barack obama of course. He's advocating for judge sullivan to demand that the lawyers from the justice department. Come in and explain to him how this pardon is not corrupt now. He posted a ten minute video on youtube. Yesterday i'm not going to bore you with it. But i watched it. It's like what what is the justification for some lawyers some former federal prosecutor. Some cable news talking head. What is it that He says that is so wrong about this. And all he does is repeat the word corrupt about one hundred fifty times. Every third sentence has the word corrupt in his career. Pardon corrupt this trump's corruption corruption. You notice that the left never actually says what it was way the caller earlier what was it that donald trump ted that you didn't like there was no i didn't care for his tax cuts or anything like there was no substantive not to pick on that guy but you ask any liberal who has trump turrets where they just freak out. Trump asked them. What trump did what does he do that so bad. They don't have an answer for you. What did he do. How is he a threat to democracy. How is it the is he. Hitler how is this heaven. they don't have an answer. it's just well. Trump trump's bad trump's corrupt he's making himself wrench off of the white house. Really isn't that worth is going down well and but still the eventually get to the point where they just give you the. Yeah but still defense which is nothing it means they give up but it doesn't matter they know that they don't have an answer and they don't care that's essentially. The abbot still argument that they engage in so after the pardon. Michael flynn the cable news. World went absolutely preserve as they do. Mara gaye is a member of the new york times editorial board she was on. Msnbc talking about this and you wanna talk about unhinged. This isn't the editorial sets the tone for the paper. This is the papers you know they. She's got a vote on the papers official position on things and they they write their official position on their she uses. Mlk to make a nazi comparison. I i'm not even kidding. Cut four go ahead cut for. We don't have cut for she remember. Mlk said that everything that happened in nazi germany was legal. And that is the explanation in the way. Things are in the trump administration talking about the pardon of general. Flynn now general. If you believe everything. About general flynn if you believe it all. His crime in quotes was lying to fbi officers fbi and cia agents. That's it that was at now. You shouldn't lie to fbi agents but those fbi agents did not believe that he lied to them at first and yet for that. They want him to go to prison. They've already ruined him. They've already forced sale of his home. They've already threatened his son to get the guilty plea and the left wants him to rot in prison now. What was his sin. Again his sin was working for donald trump. That's enough and that is going to follow everybody. Who worked for donald trump. You remember the clinton bush years right. Goes bill clinton to george w bush george w bush and this was kind of the way things go. You wanna talk about. George w bush comes in. There's a lot of weird things going on. In the clinton administration wasn't just monica lewinsky. There was remember the china fundraising remember. Al gore went to a buddhist monk. Out monastery out in california came away with two hundred thousand dollars from chinese monks who took a vow of poverty g. Where did that money come from. We had actually people. China chinese citizens fleeing the country. They still haven't returned. Who were the ones who are the bag. Men for the chinese communist. Seems like kind of a big deal. George bush comes in george. Bush is very old school. Politician says we're going to look forward and not backwards and everybody in the clinton administration said mark rich bought his pardon. That's we're not gonna look into that we're not gonna look into anything that big donation to the clinton library. No big deal. The clintons were good and good to go then. Barack obama comes in. What did barack obama promised to do. We wanted to go after people who done things in the war on terror during the bush administration you you poured water of khalid sheikh mohammed snows. That's it you've got to spend the rest of your life in prison. You're a monster really up or guy. He's only the mastermind behind nine eleven newport. A a water up his nose and poor dear. So i forget who it was but somebody in the cia destroyed the tapes destroy the tapes which god bless them. Thanks for doing that. The obama set the tone that they were not going to play by the old rules again. There was no. Oh my goodness barack obama's breaking the norms there was no concern about that whatsoever so would not and then of course the transition with trump they were spying on the trump campaign. They're spying on the trump transition team. They can't that apparatus in place to spy on the trump administration and try to frame up the trump administration. One thing they haven't done prove any actual crimes alleged all of them but they haven't proven any of them. So why should we expect them to be different. If joe biden's in the white house why would we expect them people who to this day. If you mentioned the name. Ronald reagan will spit on the ground and go. Oh he was the worst it. Just this really visceral angry response to a guys existence who died almost twenty years ago hadn't been president for thirty years. You mentioned ronald reagan and they just go crazy over it. Trump is going to supplant that so anybody who worked for donald trump is probably going to have to spend the rest of their adult lives looking over their shoulders. When you have an attorney general in the state of new york. Who ran on the promise that i am going to investigate. All of trump's businesses all the trump children anybody named trump. Anybody who plays euchre anybody. Whoever was involved with trump businesses. We're going to see if they did anything wrong. That is that is banana republic stuff. We'll find out if you broke the law but normally investigations require an allegation of lawbreaking. Course she one in new york. She's a hero of the left. So matt gaetz the other day congressman from florida. Came up with an idea. This is going to be cut. Fifteen president needs to just basically pardon everybody preemptively I think there might be some merit to this cut. Fifteen go ahead should pardon. Michael flynn he should. Pardon the thanksgiving turkey. You should pardon. Everyone from himself to his administration officials to joe exotic if he has to because you see from the radical left a bloodlust that will only be quenched if they come after the people who worked so hard to animate the trump administration with the policies and the vigor and the effectiveness that delivered for the american. So i think that the president ought to wheel that pardon. Power effectively robustly. It's kind of a fun idea. I like it. But i have a suggestion suggestion for you mr president. If you're listening not only should you issue blanket pardons to pretty much everybody in your administration just for fun you should. The left will go berserk and say this is an admission of guilt. They do that every day. Did that with michael flynn even though he's not guilty. This is an admission of guilt. V accepts department admission of guilt. Just for fun just for hear me. The president should also pardon. Like peter struck lisa page james comey brennan all of them every single one of them issue of blank sort of pardoned for. They're actually very very specific in the crimes for spying on this violating the fourth amendment. Issue those parts. they're not going to be prosecuted anyway. I know everybody's holding out hope for durham. But that's that horse ain't gonna hunt so pardon them all throw all pardons out there. Put them on the defensive neuter the idea that accepting partner getting pardon means an admission of guilt and throw it right back in their faces. And you can put any declaration next to the pardon you want as you sign it. Put it in there for the crime of this. That the other thing i operate. Full pardon to peter struck. How fun would that be watching. 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On on monday. I grew up in michigan. I knew all about hillsdale. We could have gone there. It's open line friday. Let's get phone calls and your vernon baltimore's very patient you for holding burn. Hey derek you're doing great by the way thank you Nervous still you're you're the first person to mention The hypocrisy of the afc and pull yourself up by your boot. Straps analogy from fail bartender to a super famous and soon to be mega millionaire. Bring write a book. It'll probably be illiterate but it will sell a million copies. He's common no hollering. America sucks in. You don't have a chance that should be the title. There really is their message. It's barack obama's mrs elizabeth warren elizabeth warren what she grew up on a reservation somewhere in oklahoma. Now she's a multimillionaire. united states. senator. Barack obama grew up with parents. Neither of them wanted anything to do with them. Thrown off on the grandkids are in the grandparents and he ends up going to three of the most elite colleges in the country in the world and becomes president of the united states. And he's going to tell you the system is rigged against you. They just think they're so special fern. That's the thing they flip in america right. Yeah that's the beauty of america and that's kind of what they want to destroy. I just don't have much care or respect for people who gleefully climb the ladder of success and then pull it up behind him. And that's the way i view democrats burnt. Thank you for the phone call. We gotta take a break here as it winds down the rush remorse for coming back a man time really does just fly. I guess the terror white knuckling for three hours behind the golden the microphone really makes time fly. I'm derek hunter. You can find me on twitter at derek. A hunter e. r. k. The way the name was meant to be spelled. Don't follow rush. you're out there at real are limbaugh on twitter. He's just about half a million followers ahead of me. I shall catch him daily show on. Wcbs and baltimore from nine until noon Check that out the derek podcast is a completely different entity where you can find me five days a week on itunes or whatever my book outrage inc how the liberal mob rule and science journalism in hollywood is available for a your bathroom reading now. I want to thank a lot of people. Wanna think rush first and foremost amazing that he didn't poop this idea and i think his brother david. Who's a good friend. I wanna thank bo. Snerdley james golden for trusting me enough with this. I want to thank connie. And liz for pushing james into listening to me when i think everybody. Whoever got me into radio on wcbs. I want to thank my dad. Love you dad. My mom miss your mom have a great weekend russia. Back here on monday by.
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Remembering the Territories: Georgia Championship Wrestling
"Look DC W legend. Tommy Dreamer look back on the territories and delve into Georgia championship wrestling. This busted opens remembering the territory special. Welcome to busted open remembering the territory's Georgia championship wrestling. And my tag team partner for all of the remembering the territory shows the innovator of violence the landlord of the House of hardcore himself the one and only Tommy Dreamer. Tommy how are you man? I'm Dune Great. This has been the hardest and be the best one ever hardest because I'm having communication problems with my stupidity Internet. I think Vincent Man is trying to buy my house and Black Black Whatever they were recording this because we want to talk about drudge championship wrestling Dave. I was also thinking about some of the things that we have been talking about. Have probably been the most dramatic things in mind and your life. When it comes to professional wrestling we talked about For me it would be closing. Vc W being number one the John. Stahl twenty twenty documentary. Black Saturday and the undertaker's streak losing and we've been covering a lot of this up until the undertaker streak and we're bringing back memories man I love it. Yeah and I think when you think of the territories especially Georgia championship wrestling a lot of memories. Come TO MIND. Georgia championship wrestling having a lot of advantages over the other territories. Tommy because as of hundred seventy two they were on W. TBS now is a different name at that point it was w t cj but superstation w TBS even though it was a regional territory. The show is seen nationwide for me. I remember like I before there was wrestling in my life. It was star wars and baseball the New York Yankees then Georgia Championship. Wrestling ruined my baseball career. Because I could care less about baseball because I had to watch wrestling and my Saturdays were now consumed with professional wrestling and for a regional territory. It blew up because of this vision of Ted Turner and his superstation. And you know it. It sucks that we don't have a lot of this footage because back in the day they would tape over the Beta tapes and the VCR tapes. You would just take over it because they cost money so it's almost like lost footage. The only way he could really really talking about ww has popped up with some of it. It's through the wrestling magazines and through crazy us or youtube where you watch it and it's just like man it was it was so simplistic in its form but everyone who was anyone went through there and you became a national star it was like going to the wwe. Today you could do. Indeed you can do other wrestling companies but once you set foot on the main stage of Georgia championship wrestling was getting push. You became an international recognized superstar and so much again into Anna comes to Georgia championship wrestling last week. We did mid south wrestling and I think a lot of people would say that was probably the best territory. I don't agree with that. I love mid South but it was not my favorite to watch people would say mid South but when you look at Georgia championship wrestling Tommy. It did give you that national exposure and as I mentioned you know going. Tv In one thousand nine hundred. Seventy two nineteen seventy six is when it became. Wcbs at the Georgia championship wrestling went to satellite and was the first NWEA promotion to go national. And it's and it's crazy to think about it. Dan because all promotions are national the way that TV is but you gotta think of a time when there was no cable TV and all everything was was your regional television. You know like if you lived in New Jersey. You only got stations around. That area thinks change throughout the seventies obviously in the eighties with cable. Tv But when you talk about a national product like Georgia championship wrestling and you look at TBS. You know one of the first faces I ever saw as a professional wrestling fan and somebody who is for a long time. The greatest voice and the face of professional wrestling to me was hall of Famer Gordon Solely Gordon solely was the storyteller Gordon solely was the rock of that promotion. I don't mean Dwayne Johnson. I meant he was the storyteller he was. You thought he was the biggest fixture of professional wrestling. He garnered those emotions with his Walter. Cronkite ask delivery of all this chaos. That was going on. He sold the stories to the viewer and I mean he was the voice of so many generations of wrestling. Until I WANNA say Jim Ross and Jim Ross has been the only person comparable to that Gordon solely was that voice in your right if I was gonna say the greatest voice in the history of pro wrestling. I would say Jim. Ross but Gordon solely was really Iraq and the foundation. And I'm sure in a lot of ways Jim. Ross would give a lot of credit to somebody like Gordon solely and I love what you said. That Gordon was A Storyteller Gordon Solely did sports play by play before getting involved in pro wrestling so he really brought that credibility and that's sports feel to his commentary and he called it like it was a real professional wrestling match. This was before the Times of you know twitter and social media and pay per views. You know he didn't even really promote those shows that the Omni that would be Freddie Miller that did that coming out or going in to commercials. Gordon solely did a wonderful job of bringing credibility to every single match. He talked about you. Know what body part a wrestler was was using. You know how is going to hurt that particular body part? How was GONNA wear that wrestler down you know leading up to the finish in a finisher at the end of that match and the best person I could kind of compare him to? Tommy was he was kind of like the PAT summerall of professional wrestling. You Know Pat summerall. Had that kind of just like kind of dry delivery. He told you what was going on. Didn't show any really over the top excitement because hey that was John Madden job in the case of Gordon solely. It was the wrestlers job. Show that passion and to show that excitement. That's why he was such a great interviewer too. But Gordon solely to me was the master. And that's going back and at the time Tommy when you only had the one commentator in Gord solely did a better than anyone else and that one man booth but as you said before Tommy it was also about the superstars that were in the ring as well and like every other regional promotion. There were stars that went in an out of Georgia championship wrestling but there was some mainstay stars. There was some stars. Tommy that when you think of Georgia championship wrestling if think particular wrestlers absolutely I mean you summarized it so well where all this chaos is going on and you had the calming voice. The I can relate to what I went through with Joey styles and Joey was never touched. Neither Gordon solely was touched. Once it turns one of the top heels baby face and was an amazing angle like and when you said the way he would invite all the other wrestlers in and there'd be fights going on around him and he wait a minute. I rather like all these like chaos and all this stuff going. You could always rely on Gordon to be the face slash the rock group all together for you as a young viewer or as even as an older viewer and when you think it a superstars like for you. Tommy as a fan of what? We're going to start that you think of when you think of Georgia championship wrestling. I mean right away. Tommy Rich The Road Warriors. The Armstrong's precious Paul Ella Ring so many people cut their teeth their early days the fabulous free birds Jimmy Snuka. The list goes on and on. Yeah and you know the one you mentioned Tommy Rich. That's who I think of. I talked about it so many times on busted open. Tommy the first wrestler. I ever seen the first time I ever watched pro wrestling. Was Tommy Wildfire Rich. The first feud I fell in love with was Tommy rich and Buzz Sawyer and again that goes back to that satellite and goes back to the exposure of Georgia championship wrestling at the time of those regional promotions living in New Jersey. Wwf should've been the promotion that I watched on a weekly basis but because of the power of WCBS and the power of Cable TV here Am Jersey Kid watching Georgia championship wrestling. But it really was about feuds it really was about the wrestlers and when you go back and watch Georgia championship wrestling from the late seventies and early eighties. You can see the differences in the crowd of those people that went to the. I'm the each and every week. It was an older crowd because once again you know we grow up in a time where it's gauged towards a younger audience but back at that time it definitely skewed older when you look at the audience. Tommy absolutely in the Omni was the Madison Square Garden. I didn't know anywhere growing up as a kid. I don't know anything about Atlantic's for the Atlanta braves and the Omni and the Omni was bigger to me and if you watch that program it was all infomercial for what was going to happen at the Omni or what was going to happen in Columbus. What was going to happen. And all those feuds and stuff the guys who go and do television and then go out there on the road and put asses in the seats and how you put us in the seats. Good wrestling storytelling and feuds and angles and we talked about how Georgia championship wrestling started in about them. Going the satellite in one thousand nine hundred seventy six in nineteen eighty two. They changed the name because of that national exposure even though is still regional Georgia championship wrestling. They changed the name of the show on TBS from Georgia Championship wrestling to world championship wrestling. And that's very very significant. When WE COME BACK TOMMY? Let's get into world championship wrestling. What happened in nineteen eighty eighty-two what happened in nineteen eighty three and what happened ultimately in one thousand nine hundred eighty four? We'll do all that when Tommy and I are back at remembering the territory's right here I'm busted open. You're listening to bust. It opens remembering the territories Georgia championship wrestling special only on Sirius. Xm Fight Nation Channel. 156 here from the biggest names around the League on NBA insiders. It's the head coach of the Golden State. Warriors Steve Kerr. The climb is in many ways the most fun part of the ride before you've ever been there. The climate itself has you for it and the energy that you feel every day. Nobody can touch here. Jason Jackson and Amino acid every Sunday morning at ten am eastern on Sirius XM radio series two seven x eighty six. This is busted opens remembering the territories Georgia Championship special. Here's Dave Greco in DC W legend Tommy Dreamer welcome back to bust it. Open the territory's the golden era of professional wrestling in today Tommy. We're talking about Georgia championship wrestling. And we talked about the beginnings. We talked about some of the wrestlers. We obviously talked about the face and voice behind Georgia Championship Wrestling Gordon solely. Let's get into the eighties as I said in one thousand nine hundred eighty two. They changed the name from Georgia Championship wrestling to world championship wrestling. Since it did have that satellite and that national exposure but in hundred eighty three something significant happened that would change the course and again would even change it more a year later but in one thousand nine hundred eighty three. Jim Barnett was forced out so the controllers came to Georgia championship wrestling or the briscoes and only Anderson and a lot change. Come one thousand nine hundred eighty four July fourteenth black Saturday. Tommy was a significant moment and significant day in the history of pro wrestling. I remember it like it was yesterday tuning in and being like where's Gordon solely. What is going on and I I was straight up fan man. I'm probably one thousand nine three well. Today three was barn. It was forced out. Output was July fourteenth nineteen eighty four when we had black Saturday. Okay so I'm thirteen years old. I don't know what you know. There is no Internet. There are no wrestling sheets. I knew something was wrong. I also knew this wasn't George Championship. Breslin thing that I loved. Where was Mr Wrestling number two? Whereas Gordon solely whereas timers wears all these guys to think about the significance where. I'm that young that naive and I realized. Wow this is something wrong and different. I mean it's as I don't WanNa say traumatic but like I remember when Thurman Munson passed away I was like I realized that at such a young age like wow this is traumatic. This is what a lot of people went with with Kobe Bryant but for wrestling being a wrestling fan. You're like wait. What is going on? This is different and it was different and the best part about it was. It wasn't the first time it wasn't really successful with. I'm guessing the W we trying to take over territory. Well let's get the behind the scenes. Because I mentioned Jim Burnett was forced out then the briscoes and all the Anderson had controlling interest of Georgia championship wrestling and the Briscoe sold their stake in Georgia championship wrestling. To Vince McMahon. And it allowed. Vince McMahon to get that timeslot on W. TBS at six o five on Saturdays and you're right July fourteenth nineteen eighty-four fans turned on the what they thought was going to be Gordon solely but instead you saw Freddie Miller who by the way Freddie Miller was the only person on staff either not get fired or just quit on their own so you actually stayed to be with the WWF. And Vince McMahon Freddie Miller introducing Vince McMahon to a TV audience. That did not WANNA see. Vince McMahon and it got worse from there because with Georgia championship wrestling world championship wrestling. You saw A weekly show that gave you content. That was live from the studios. You know so you saw matchups main event match ups that were there from the WCBS. St Is that was not the case with the WWF. They showed you matches that you had already seen on their other shows. It was almost like six. Oh five on. Saturdays became a best of for the WWF and very cartoonish unlike that hard core style of wrassling that you saw with the southern style of Georgia championship wrestling so immediately the letter started the flood. Tbs offices because hey you can watch WF anywhere else. You did not want to watch it on. Tbs Five and I think that the ratings right away started to drop and then they tried to change it a little bit. Freddie Miller and gorilla monsoon hosted the show and they tried to have some exclusive content from the TBS studios but they were never to gain those ratings and they lost a lot of viewers. Starting on that Black Saturday Tommy Day. I was Doing research like you did and they lost three times the amount of viewership when you talk about like an Ted Turner has gone on the record and you know when he has said if it was a professional wrestling his enterprise business enterprise would not have started without professional wrestling and this had a dramatic effect. And you said the best southern wrassling versus the Derby Torri. You could totally see. There was a difference and the fans Accept IT. They actually rejected it which was able to have only Anderson who was a very very small owner. Come back and another thing and I always talk about this with you. It's history history repeats itself Georgia Championship wrestling. When it first started had two different owners there was a split. The one guy had passed away and they tried screwing over his wife and some wrestler stayed. Some wrestlers didn't the ones that stayed actually. Were able to stay in business because Georgia Championship. Wrestling can so just funny. How these things continue to happen At times I'm for wrestlers. They'll say it's like a. That's a southern thing. When you have a like a small ownership those little caveats or these little switches where you like. wait a minute but at least it worked out for the wrestling. Fans benefit. Because Hey were able to get Georgia championship wrestling. Different style back. And You you mentioned like a ray gun and then an uncle taken over and and that power struggle but with with black Saturday July fourteenth nineteen eighty-four say Vince McMahon on your TV screen. Vince McMahon bought the Briscoe steak for nine hundred thousand dollars and gave the briscoes job for life. And as far as I know you know that has been kept true you know for the surviving Briscoe brother. And then Freddie Miller as I mentioned was the only on air cast that did not either quit or get fired and Ted Turner himself. We talked about the fans but Ted. Turner himself was pissed. Because as I said there were all recap batches you know there were recap matches and squash matches where Georgia championship wrestling. It was original matches from the studios and you were able to get some main event matches so not only were the fans were pissed but Ted. Turner was pissed and then by the end or not even the end soon into nineteen eighty five McMahon sold his stake to the Crockett's and then Georgia championship wrestling changed. Its face because as you remember Tommy once the move was made to Saturdays with. Wwf program. Only Anderson then tried to start Georgia championship wrestling very early. Saturday mornings almost immediately. But it didn't even last year before that folded so that pretty much was the end of Georgia championship wrestling. Yeah and I remember that part to where there was a nine o'clock nine five show and a spics so five show and they too had different fields and remember early Anderson. And here's like Jimmy Hart and fundable. Patterson they brought back a soup retire they had all these different things. You know if it didn't feel the same Buzz Sawyer was still there who to me is should be on the the George Oppressing Mount Rushmore. Because he was such a big he was a bad guy though. He was there for a baby face a first but he was the perfect foil for Tommy Rich. It did not have the feel and Yeah Georgia championship wrestling. Sadly went away but the good thing came apart that little studio that little set that they did with gorilla monsoon and Freddie Miller that became the staple for world championship wrestling with Tony. Shivani and Kraken. Yeah definitely expanded into that with the Crockett's but Georgia championship wrestling definitely definitely in the history of pro wrestling is something that is still talked about today. And you mentioned thunderbolt. Patterson Thunderbolt Patterson being one of the biggest baby faces of all time on Georgia championship wrestling. We're going to have him on exclusively right when we return remembering the territory's the golden era of pro wrestling right here. I'm busted open. You're listening to bust. It opens remembering the territory's Georgia championship wrestling special only on Sirius. Xm Fight Nation Channel. One fifty-six your home for all things calm as sports is Sirius. Xm fire nation. Start Your Day with Hall of fame. Pro Wrestling talk on busted open. We spent these men and women build the business. Then the Aachen Barranco keeps you up to date on all things. Boxing boxing the fear of young expect and Gary Loop. Thomas has you covered for mixed martial. Art Hogan is the most important is loan serving all the fight name broken down like nowhere else only on Sirius. Xm CHANNEL ONE FIFTY SIX DIV look record D. C. W LEGEND. Tommy Dreamer look back on the territories and delve into Georgia championship wrestling. This busted opens remembering the territory special. Welcome back to busted open remembering the territory's talking Georgia championship myself. And Tommy Dreamer and Tommy. It's an absolute pleasure to introduce this next legend Bro Wrestling Hall of Famer Mark. Henry and I did our show a couple months back of the top ten greatest African American wrestlers of all time. This man was on that list. And it's the one and only Thunderbolt Patterson sir how are you union in you? Kevin? Hi everyone out there even all her brace all glory. It wasn't me was God. We absolutely a great message sir. We'RE TALKING ABOUT GEORGIA. Championship wrestling For a lot of the fans that are are listening Do Do you remember your travel schedule? Like your weekly schedule that you would. Do you know just because a lot of the boys would talk about. Georgia was a more travel friendly. As OPPOSED TO BILL. Watts territory or world causing no conveyors. Yes yes just a Monday. Night was Scheming Augusta Tuesday was Making Wendy was Columbus. Thursday was either. Aston or wrong. Friday was Atlanta certainly were CV either here in Columbus and son. New Marietta Georgia. Wow that is a. That is a great Driving schedule could basically be home every single night. Oh Yes oh yes. Yeah or known. Sweet little jared and Sir like one thing that we talk about when it comes to Georgia championship wrestling. That was unlike a lot of the other territories is that you had the power of the superstation. Tbs Behind you so even though you're in a local area at that time you were a national superstar. Do you agree ensure do Tbs of general. Jean made most of the wrestlers out during the day and back then was such a different art because only where you had to be a great worker. You also had a talk that people and get the people invested in to your angles and you were also known as such a great talker. Do you have a favorite angle or something that you felt? Pop The territory or the most. Oh no no no no no no no no no no no no you know it was no angle. I mean as Ms Patti Labelle says Her voice is our voice and she does what she do. And this is my this me absolutely no. Oh you wish me Zehra Lotte ones behind me but I would never harm to any town that we're going down or going closing down enough. John I in good. We went to the top while and so he talked about. There was no angle though story. I think a big reason. Why a lot of fans related to you and a lot of fans loved you as a performer is because of the realism in your emotion and the realism on the microphone. Would you agree with that or certainly? Certainly I mean you so you saw for yourself so many people trying to do it or whatever you know that was me. You know and remain dusty. Rhodes American dream. Was that a home in a job. Okay and I mean so many other guys they had doing trying to have some which you know I mean you gotta be still you know. That's what I thought absolutely I stay about a Lotta. I've been wrestling for thirty year. Sir and I say a lot today what people lose their own credibility because a lot of wrestlers are playing wrestler as opposed to being one or not being themself but It's it's definitely a lost art form. I wish it wasn't that way. Well you know this is a this is a law. I hear your story bring down. I mean where's came from an hide. Broke down I on all of it. You know because that was the whole the whole thing is is more people in wrestling. That don't know nothing. My wrestling okay. Or I didn't go to college. Didn't get done but I had the opportunity to wrestle some of the greatest any reasons that can russell and thank God I failed and I love how to wrestle real good and and I know that was it that that's that's kind of when they you know friendship over ability and I get into the race card you know is traditionally man right saying things. I Never Change. Never Change You Amarjit Racial Party. I said your generation how to listen to the crowd and knew what to make the crowd. The crowd is one and pay bills. Yup spoiled to pay you pay but the crowd is one. That's what whatever you do if you drive a car you've got to do it if you re. I mean to Tennis Baseball. Whatever you do. The crowd is into you and invest in better. Who train you? How did you get into pro? Glad you told me he lives out. She lives is Pat. O'connor train me but that was a lot. No well I I started wrestling. My mom sent me a YMCA. When I was alluding being six years old and I started reading a little bit and I wrestle on up and then I I think it was the ninth grade. I gotTA call version car. I got beat me six seconds and I'll say hey what's going on here and Then then I realized I uh I looked his wrestling and I knew it was always just I of mine. You know and That's where I'm wanting to do but Jack Crawford they can't wire-to-wire Win Newport. Little Rain about that though at the pack animals and Docks Bigger and. I come out same home oxygen from Evansdale Iowa Waterloo. Thirty miles apart. Gus Cares and Bob Gale was responsible for it when it comes to Georgia championship wrestling. You know the face and voice was a lot of ways Gordon solely soda third and solely and and and how is it working with Gordon? Solely a great one is best. This great never had no nothing. No kind of one was as I would say the man. I really enjoyed working with him. You mentioned about some of the wrestlers that you're able to make money with and that you were successful with when I when I think of Georgia championship wrestling both good and bad. Is your relationship with Oli Anderson. Obviously a tag team best of friends and then things went awry. Talk a little bit about only Anderson and about what's you know and also talk about like what we saw weekly on TV only only would would lease is the only in usual Robert Fuller. We give me a job and It was all about as his seats. I mean I you know well. We're not as big as New York with we were selling out every week and everything and only was a real good booker and he was He's own to and I never had no problem. I he was a fellow worker. You're not and never had to. I don't know how his wrestling because you never didn't go that for you or I never did have no problem. I always made money with him. Money stayed made minded willing more than what it should have been now right now with you know your career behind you. Please tell our audience what you're working on now. What you're doing and how they can get in touch with you. I'm working with a guy out of Marion Ohio. His name is Scott Spears. Debbie Debbie Eight. One Oh seven point one. Fm and Ohio and our. I'm Jerry ready to when once is out the door. I'm going to work a little bitter along these jerry to his opening up this church or Georgia again. I I had a group called to test damone. Testimonies Estimates Gospel testimony. And we're going to travel a little bit and we put on wrestling shows. All Right Thunderball. Thank you so much for the time. We really appreciate it. Thank you thank you you too thank you bye. All Patterson joining us on busted open all react when Tommy Dreamer Nyerere back on a hall of Fame Edition. Right here. I'm busted open listening to bust. It opens remembering the territory's Georgia championship wrestling special only on Sirius. Xm fight nations channel. One fifty-six soccer is a passion that goes beyond the sport and Sirius. Xm FCC podcast more than a game brings that passion to you. You any episode. Fc's panel of experts take a deep dive into club mysteries. Iconic GROUNDS TRINITA rivalries and so much more nothing like adobe diametric new episodes are available weekly by downloading the Pandora and searching more than a game this busted opens remembering the territory's Georgia Championship special. Here's Dave Greco and EC W legend Tommy Dreamer welcome back to busted open remembering the territory's talk in Georgia championship wrestling with tag team partner. The innovator of the landlord of the House of Hardcore Tommy Dreamer and Tommy. We got into the politics of things. We got until Black Saturday. We talked about the power struggle with you. Know the briscoes and and all the Anderson and bar net but when you think of Georgia championship wrestling more than all of that is the wrestlers themselves and the great matches. And the great feuds. I talked about you know Buzz Sawyer and Tommy wildfire rich. A few that went on for almost two years And for a long time the holy grail of pro wrestling was that final battle of Atlanta. Which was the blow off match for that few? That's still talked about today. What are you most remember about the wrestlers the matches in the feuds when it came to Georgia Championship Wrestling For me you know. It's time you're rich Buzz Sawyer. I two was the biggest tom rich in Buzz Sawyer Fan. I remember the free birds. Few remember when the free birds you know and Terry Gordy joined with Jimmy Snuka and they turned on Michael Hayes and Michael. Hayes became a baby face ted debate. And you know when he did the thing with We discussed it with him with. Miss are and who we all thought it was going to be a Tommy rich and it turns out that it's a Brad Armstrong. He wins the title it. I hate that bullet. Bob Armstrong doesn't get enough conversation and talk and play because he was such a big deal and he was. You know I remember the firemen for Marietta Georgia which was right up the road and him always being like a main event in every territory he he was in and like you know. I remember his accident that he got in into working out crushed his face and like everything that happened in real life. They would put on the television show or to me. It was the first time I got to see the brilliance of Roddy Piper and Roddy Piper as Gordon's Co host and so over the top. And like I was like wise's bad guy like talking number one because he could. But then you also had like the ric flair's in the dusty roads or or all the special enforcers I remember you know when the andersons turned on dusty in the cage. I loved I mean loved still to This Day. I watch it on Youtube. Where it's they go to the Omni Ellen they show you clips an Omni. Every show felt special And like I said a lot I think Paul for EC w took where it was all building towards specific events. 'cause that's how we fed our families and you heard that with thunderbolt. Patterson you know it was the angles and stuff that you ran the the wrestling matches. Were what Fed your family and you knew what was working. What wasn't working. Because if something wasn't a sellout so when they would go to The Omni I knew I was watching stuff. That was special. That's why and if you think of how I was. I asked that for Christmas from my parents. That's all I wanted that year. We were just to go see that less that last match I know where Atlanta was but I knew I had to be there because they always made it feel so special and just the wrestling and the chaos the road warriors. I mean the first time we see these gigantic muscular men with face paint Mohawks and destroying opponents. Coming in that was we never saw that. I know I never did. And it was like where the first part was like. I hated bad guys but these guys were cool. And you know that Whole Legion of doom having this manager I mean I remember when the spoiler in King Kong Bundy were part of that. And Jake the snake but everything they did when you listen to it now. You know we're both kind of historians it pieces all the pieces together but back then if somebody just left. You wouldn't understand it but the fact that you had Gordon solely or people just disappeared and they just went on as usual and you're just like Oh okay. Now it's such. It's such a more complicated time where you know. There's speculation about Roman reigns you know. Oh He's taken off with everything. Wb hates Romanov's no who knows what's going on but back then we didn't care. We just knew that we had the stability because we're going to see awesome wrestling. When I always say wrestling is the name of the game. Old School will never die And I'm going back to I just I'm having all these memories. Come back to me. As we're talking. I remember a super shredded Kevin Sullivan With these stupid dreadlocks as a baby face then. He turned heel Later on a young Terry Taylor. All these guys are cutting their teeth through this company. And it's just no matter what they presented to you. You knew special. Yeah and you mentioned some of these wrestlers and the road warriors. Obviously you know we could spend hours talking about the road warriors and you're right a lot of people forget that they were popular would did. There're probably the first popular heels and when I say by that is that even though they were hated and they were presented on your TV as heels you fell in love with the road warriors. Because like you said you just never saw wrestlers like that before and also to and it's very significant. I don't WanNa just gloss over. It is the Legion of doom. That Legion of doom was a stable at oiling managed. It was the spoiler and it was jake. The Snake Roberts and for a brief period of time it was King Kong Bundy and the Road Warriors. They went on to use that moniker when they went to the WWF but the Legion of doom was just bad ass. He'll group on Georgia championship wrestling. And Tommy not too long ago. I gave you a one thousand nine hundred eighty three Georgia championship wrestling counter in. It's amazing when you look at that calendar and you go through the pages of the wrestlers that were a part of Georgia championship wrestling in one thousand. Nine hundred eighty three fast a year later probably ninety percent of calendar that that could have been a wwf nineteen eighty-four calendar when you look at that counter from Georgia championship wrestling from one thousand. Nine hundred eighty three absolutely you know and were also about The be in special they would build up. Lake Abdul the butcher coming into town or I remember and not knowing his life job like it was an entire episode of. Who's dust these off partner? GonNa be and it was George the Animal Steele and this wild man but dusty is gonNA control him. Does he's going to contain him. And like I never knew that like George Animal Steeles a schoolteacher and he only wrestled on the summers and for some reason he wasn't working for w that night but he was gonna come in and recycle Four drudge champs depressing and it made him even bigger. They're the Christmas Day. Spectacular thanksgiving night spectacular was was would have just was spectacular and thunderbolt. Patterson was talking about some of the stuff. He kind of veered off the path at times but it it was a great territory if you live there but it was also a working man's territory when I say working man I mean in the ring For Awhile Memphis was the shorter guy territory but it was also a working man's territory and No WWF or wwe. They were a territory but they were the bigger man territory and it was the slower style more plotting their. Tv's I go back. I watch the Zoltan. They're boring but Georgia Championship. Wrestling was excitement all the time. And it's just I wish I could go back. I mean we saw a little bit with studio wrestling with the NWEA. We're really seeing a lot of that now. With W W with impact wrestling with a e w wrestling. 'cause there's no fans there because if you think about look at that studio go back and look how many people were there. It wasn't a lot but on television. It seemed like it was the big thing happening at the time. And it was because you look at the ratings. And it's funny we're talking about what's going on right now on our world and wrestling can have audiences out there but you know when you go back to Georgia championship wrestling or even mid Atlantic wrestling. Or you know I show you know for a short time. Awa like it was studio wrestling. There'd be fifty people you know. May maybe seventy five people in that audience. It didn't really matter because they grabbed. Your attention was so captivating what was going on in the ring and Gordon solely was such a great soundtrack going on in a ring. Tommy you need that audience that was in the studio. No not at all if soaks diagnosing liked it. But I can't say enough for and I said it earlier old school. Never die if you're a wrestler. You need to go back and watch the territories you go back and watch mid south wrestling. You need to go back and watch specifically Georgia championship wrestling. That's where you had. They did everything kind of pitcher perfect. Where your work rate told where you how you're going to get pushed how you're going to succeed and then if you could do it on the microphone. It's the same exact. The premise of what we're living in now and you should watch this because like I remember You know before he became a hall of Famer. Tito Santana was injured. Tim Pressing for a long time. Rick Martel this is where the good guys were. Good guys and the bad guys were bad. Guys bad guys cheated guys. Follow the rules but do guys would kick the asses of the bad guys in the cheaters and tag-team resume tune the Andersons You know where you saw Oli and gene and then young Arn It's just I. I'm marking out and I can't wait to get finish this so I can go back and watch some Georgia championship wrestling and why to me. It's so special is because you can't find it you're only GonNa see bits and pieces of it from Georgia championship wrestling. But then there's also like names who like Mike Jackson. We just used them an impact wrestling and every start talking about. But here's a guy who was an enhancement. Talent paid to make others look better but because he's on that TV every single week people know who he is and people knew who wrestlers like that were because of the power of that though whatever they went through like. I said when your livelihood when your families are on the line and you're not just getting money from somebody else from a company your company lives in is by the fans we're experiencing today you can go back and see how I would is why back then but how you're going to see for the future of the business going forward and you and I are fans but still talking about something that happened in the eighties because it's so relevant today well because they continuity bullying I talk about it all the time on the show you know not to knock it but the a lot of times. The wwe doesn't give continuity from week to week or month to month From event to event you know if you go back go to youtube but watching episode of Georgia championship wrestling. You'RE GONNA WANNA watch the next episode. Because you're GONNA WANNA find out what happens you. WanNa you WANNA find out if there's going to be a conclusion to this story to this feud you WanNa find out those Ronnie Garvin get his revenge as Tommy Rich. Get his revenge. You know you know what happened at the Omni at the end of December. You know I need to watch the next episode the to see you know if if you know if we got a new champion crown. These are things that were important. There was emotional investment in it. And I think that's a big reason. Why the territories were so successful. And you're seeing a lot of nationals. Shows Right now. Kind of fall by the wayside. Because when you have three hours you can't fill it and you have filler and people. Don't WanNa Watch filler when you go back and watch those territories shows whether there were an hour long or ninety minutes long. There was no filler because everybody took their segment like it had to be a grand slam. Had to be all run and you see the proof is in the pudding. Go back and watch these shows from the late seventies and early eighties. And you'll know what I'm talking about Dave if you talk about it's like I said in it's most simplistic form. If you think about it you close your eyes and if your listener please do this and you and you watch Georgia championship wrestling. You Close Your Eyes. You Open your brain. You'll see one camera shot pretty much like if you were standing at the ring you would see the Ring Apron. You would see Georgia championship wrestling. And that's how you viewed almost two hours of your Concentration that way. It wasn't overproduced. You maybe had another camera angle when stuff went to the left not so much when it went to the right because there was nothing there and then when you went back to Gordon solely sitting at that podium you knew the camera would turn to the left almost like your point of view. Because here's Gordon. Sometimes you wouldn't even be prepared. Sometimes you go back and watch it. See a puff of smoke as he's smoking during the broadcast. But and then wait for you know at this time. I'm joined by and the guys would walk in. They'd walk across the camera shot. It was so beautiful and simplistic in its form of what professional wrestling and I keep saying this what we're watching it. But when it's a polished product like it is today the biggest element missing and we've discussed this. It's the fans and if there was thirty to fifty fans they're going nuts for this. You have to understand how many people are going nuts for it at home and you're captivating your audience by this most simplistic form. I always say like professional wrestling. We're not splitting the atom cure cancer. We're just out there and perform and whoever's walking in or walking out. They did it. They took their time Human era or union stalling. It takes awhile from you know. Here's Gordon Sola. I'm waiting time for my next guest. Here comes bobby. Heenan and Bobby. Heenan will start talking about Blah Blah Blah. There was no mess ups. There was no edits. And if there were Gordon would wrangle you back in but when you talk about continuity I never saw the Bobby Heenan. I read all his books. I Love Bobby. Heenan a great dude but he talked about the simple thing of every time he won he would light a cigar sometimes he lit cigar prematurely in that cost him where he would jump up in the air because he knew this guy was going to win or he would take up that cigar. Not all the time when that cigar came out and somebody used it as a weapon and stuck in somebody's eye and you saw the baby face screaming around like it was Tommy Rich. You did not then see Tommy rich for three weeks you heard from Tommy. Rich may be the next week. Where you heard from Tommy Rich's friends and then two weeks later. You heard from Tommy Rich but if you think about ratings Oh my God I just saw my favorite wrestler get hurt. I gotta tune in next week to see what happens to him. I don't I have not seen what happened to him. But this friend told me he's GonNa be Okay and say next week you're going to hear from time. You're rich but and then when Tom rich the next week you open the show Tom. Rich and Gordon solely tells you we're GonNa talk. We're going to hear from Tom. You rich then you had his friend. Show a picture of Tommy Rich. This is his eye and then they would do the remote like a call in who knows he could have been behind the literally behind that screen like with a microphone but for television and and the purposes it got it over and you know trust me I I deal with a lot were you know. I don't people don't see things like how I see them but when I explain them and I know it's right because I have stuff like that to remind me because all those guys and all those wrestlers were working seven nights a week sometimes twice on Sunday because it was working. 'cause fans paid to see them and that was before ratings and before that stuff but I wanNA say before ratings ratings. Were already there. Your show was hot because it was just that simple breakdown of doing it that way where it worked and again Georgia championship wrestling more than any other promotion was able to do that with what they had behind it which was superstation WTVN. Tommy this was absolutely awesome. It's not on the network so you can only see it on youtube or if you're lucky like me kept my vhs tapes and diverted them you know to dvr my compact this my dvd tax okay my DVD's that's just a mental APPs. Yeah I'll I'll You can't watch it on the network but you can watch it on Youtube or if you're lucky enough to convert your VHS to DVD. Tommy awesome talking George J. chip wrestling with you. This was another presentation of remembering the territory's right here. I'm busted open. Be there be there. 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They're typically was used for boxing Some the smaller boxing cards and we reached out to Caesar's and to see if it was available in in book that venue but there was unlike the MGM grand which we developed a relationship with with that really started with zebras lofts relationship with the folks over Red Mgm. This was a cold call more or less we just knew we wanted to come for biggest nappy which if you don't know if you're listening to this nasty was the national solo associated television producers and something or another. Whatever it's called it was a real Bonani was a really big deal back in the eighties in particular In early ninety s when television syndication was a a very big part of television business in general but wrestling in particular. And if if you don't mind kyle take a moment just to kind of dig into the weeds a little a bit here because you know we often talk those of us are in the business certainly including you. Now that you've been doing what you're doing for so long and have so much knowledge inch a lot of people listening. They hear that term nappy. It's an acronym obviously don't really know what it is or what it represents. And how fit into the industry back when television syndication and I mean syndication or what I mean by syndication is where for example with WCW with we obviously actually produce the You know W W Saturday night for TBS WCW main event for TBS on Sunday right but we had WCW pro. Oh which which was a show in and it was produced on the road in in venues in arenas it wasn't a compilation show or clip show. It was it was a standalone show. Oh but WCW pro was a show that we produced specifically for syndication syndication really means up. You produce this tape and then you. You have a contractual relationship with independent television stations all around the country and you produce that show you edited down and you distribute it to your your network of Independent Television stations in the air and there's two reasons why we did that or why it was done. We went to. We weren't the only ones doing we. Meaning Turner W W W e did the exact same thing But the the reason we had to really focus on syndication invest heavily in syndication is because back in the eighties early nineties is powerful as tbs was WCBS as a superstation station. It's still the network. Didn't have ninety or ninety five percent coverage that was early early cable and did. WCBS was one of the more powerful cable super stations. Excuse me including a wgn which was also superstation nation but in order to attract advertisers. You had to have a certain percentage of the US so for example. And I don't know what the numbers were exactly exactly so please don't ask but For example if WCBS superstation had an eight percent or eighty six percents footprint coverage is available in eighty six or eight percent of the households. In the United States we needed to augment augment that percentage is close to ninety six or ninety eight percent is we possibly could because if you didn't have at least ninety six or ninety eight percent percent coverage in the US too available households advertisers weren't interested in you so WCBS strong as it was wasn't a powerful enough platform platform to attract advertisers without augmenting that network. Excuse me their cable outlet with the network of syndication stations that we had around the USO for example of these numbers. I'm pulling them out of thin air. I don't know what they really are for. Example a major market of. Let's Chicago probably you. Let's say it represented three percent of the US turtle in terms of population of households. Three percent of whatever number of households were represented ended in in that market were aggregated if you will to. TBS number which allowed us to get to ninety six or ninety eight or one hundred percent Serb coverage so that's the relationship was syndication and cable and NAPPI was the one convention that took place every year And it still takes place. But that's a one one Convention that is held every year were independent television producers enlarge television producers some very very very large Would all get together in the television networks from around the country would come together here in the television networks and the buyers for those networks program directors general managers would meet with various producers and look at new shows that were coming out specifically for syndication. One example of that is thunder in paradise which was a syndicated Television series. It was put together by writer entertainment. which was the same people apple that were behind Baywatch and I say that because thunder in paradise was a syndicated show that was developed? Strictly for syndication did it involve Hulk Hogan that's why I wanted to use that as an example but anyway you go to these conventions and for example WCW WWe Racer Entertainment lionsgate entertainment. which still one of the largest television companies around our studios now What all meet and it had this big convention of these conventions as a one time? We're really huge. I went to one In the early nineties might have been ninety. Four before this one in Miami Where they have the eagles you know one of the big? It might have been rusher. Actually because they were having so much success with Baywatch Baywatch was a cash cow for for several years ears and I think it was Russia entertainment because I got an invitation to go through my relationships with the folks over and they had the eagles come in and play for this at this convention. You know so you sit there and watch an eagles concert for free if you were part of you know. Russia entertainment invited group so it was a really really big deal and and this year it was taking place in nineteen ninety five. The nappy convention was taking place in Las Vegas. Which is why we were there? Well Andrew here to make some money One of the things that I found really fascinating. My research for this show. Is that this Tom. This is the largest gate in clash history even bigger than the first one which fans back and really remain the size. You know the forty five minute time. Limit draw the sort of made sting a household name in his match with Ric flair. That went head to head with Wrestlemania. Four this only has twenty three hundred hang fans and it's still the biggest gate ever It's more than sixty thousand dollars which we know that when the interview comes to town you're going to blow that out of the water you know ninety six ninety seven but ticket prices here meltzer Sir would call high and I guess they were at the time somewhat Fifty dollars was your highest ticket price so your price points where fifty forty twenty five and fifteen fifteen. I guess two questions I have here one. How much of the higher ticket price? The normal was based on your overhead at Caesar's palace us and how much was just based on well. thought-out Vegas we think we can get away with it was a little bit of both Actually in also you had to factor into ended. The venue we were in wasn't a very big venue. I mean we probably packed with two thousand three hundred people or whatever however many people were there. I can't remember what you said. Five hundred hundred in attendance twenty three hundred paying so some comps but some of those cops you know and again. I think some of our listeners are in the loop on this but like one of those big boxing match. That's just come to Las Vegas. And they say oh it was an immediate sell-out and we had a record gave a lot of those are what's called casino buys so they're using it as a way in Thais some of their quayle's gamblers to come in town. Hey we've got you know mayweather tickets. We've got Tyson fury tickets or whatever did a dynamic like that exist at all in. Pro Wrestling was Cesar saying. Hey we're going to need three hundred of these. We're going to need for many of these to us for our sort of high rollers whoever's in town that weekend as Bait if you will the state Caesar's and come gamble. Did they have some sort of arrangement like that with you or you all on on your own. No we definitely did. And that was one of the advantages I guess of doing an event in Caesar's palace or at the MGM grand under any any of the big casinos because they the the casinos had you know. A database of locals high rollers the people that like to come to shows so The Casino a casino actually became a marketing partner for us in many ways because remember this is nineteen ninety. Eighty five early nineteen ninety-five Hogan it only been with us for about six months. He came in and whatever was July. Nineteen ninety-four whatever. The day was so you you know there was we were still we still emerging you know we we weren't a startup necessarily because WCW had been around for a while but it had been stagnant Ignat in in in almost gone out of business several times Leading up to this point so we didn't really have a lot of momentum. We weren't a big draw. Although at this point we had Hogan we had Nash and we were beginning to create Quite a bit of a buzz The word weird. I don't think really was used back then. But in today's vernacular we we were growing. We're emerging but we still. We couldn't really draw the kind of audience audience that we needed for television. especially a special event like clash of the champions for for tbs without you know the support in the marketing partnership that we had with the casino. So it wasn't just you know that the casinos really WanNa these tickets. It's A. We wanted the casinos to want the tickets because in many respects they do much better job. Marketing in Las Vegas than we could We could buy radio time we could buy a billboard. We could take out an ad in the paper. We could do all all kinds of things but we didn't have that database relationship with the local community. The same way that the casinos do well. It's fascinating because according adding to the observer the original plan was for this show to even happen in Las Vegas. It was all about the television convention that you mentioned he writes. The reason he's the clash was moved from. Its original site of Hampton Virginia to Las. Vegas was the convention being held in Las Vegas from the twenty four. Th through the twenty six. The idea was that. WCW hold a major event get a major TV exact show off a hot product Hulk Hogan and Randy savage and while it didn't appear that there were any TV types types with the exception of two or three faces like Mitch Ackerman from Disney. That were there for big shows all the time anyway. WCW did come out strong from a psychological physical standpoint from nasty because for the first year in history they stole the spotlight from the WWF. And I think that's probably something that you and I have talked talked a little bit about but I don't know that we've hammered at home enough. The WWF had become the brand in wrestling. It's almost like and I don't know how much people pay attention to this. But commonly people will say. Hey do you have Kleenex or really. That's a tissue. Why do you have a band aid or really? That's a bandage. But it had just become synonymous with the item and so even these days when people talk about mixed martial arts that's all he does ultimate fighting or oh he does has that you have see stuff regardless of whether or not it's actually in the UFC and you struggled with that even through. I mean even once the interview call fire in mainstream mainstream. Would people will talk about Hogan or the interview. Oh they would still refer to it as WWF because it had been so well ingrained in the American pop culture psyche through the eighties that you're going to be like fighting an uphill battle and I assume that when you have now the two big stars ars you've gotTa Sorta hit the reset button on everyone's thinking and let them know now. The WWF is down there. And they've got Brad Hart and the undertaker but we've got Hulk Hogan and we've got randy savage and just sorta press the reset button almost like a men in black type moment where no no no this is. That was the end. This is now. How much of a challenge was that and how much of that sort of thinking went into these type conventions from your perspective? That was a massive challenge. And I'm glad you brought that up because is your right. You know and I'm sure we could you know. Give other examples of people referring to a product by its trademark name Rather than an actual description of the product You know people walk into a restaurant. Say Gimme a coke. Sure you coke Pepsi Pepsi but you ask for Co so There's there's a lot of examples of that but that was a big challenge for us in many ways. You know there were certain advantages that I had when I kind of took over management it. WCW clearly Being owned by the network was one of them in in the most significant one but WCW was at a really a substantial disadvantage in many respects. Because we hadn't branded. WCW Hadn't branded themselves by the time that I got there in ninety two ninety three until I started taking over ninety four there was no effort at all to really brand. WCW On a national scale and as you pointed out you know commentators in the media or sports writers or anybody else would return with Refer to professional wrestling in general as WWF. Like they were the only ones in. It was a constant battle -ironically even though we had hall Cogan and we had wwf because Hogan and savage were so well branded in the WWF that even when we brought them over to w W. W. people still thought we were WWF and would oftentimes mistakenly referred to us as such. And not that. I want to spend my Sunday morning or Monday morning. You know Running Dave meltzer through the meat grinder again just not in the mood. You know how Dave Meltzer sure. Visually recognize a television executive when he's never been in the television business and by the way. Mitch Ackerman who did recognize was only there. Because he was a friend of a lot of arrests including Roddy Piper and came to a lot of events that were on the west coast. He wasn't there as Disney representative. And by the way that's who Mitch Ackerman. Herman worked for back in one thousand nine hundred five but he wasn't in the programming content. Part of the company was a producer. He didn't by anything so he wasn't there as an executive he was there as a fan. There were a large number of television executives that came to the event and not that they've given the fact that he covered. You know the business remotely from his basement in Sacramento wherever he lives. He wouldn't have recognized them if they delivered pizza to his front door. So that we did get a lot of a lot of interest primarily because a whole coburn randy savage frankly We did get a lot of interest from TV exacts and it was a very successful Decision to to put the event on there in hopes of getting some retraction there rob Garner was vp of syndication. Of the time. In I remember having dinner with him a couple nights later and after it was over and he was beanie from ear to ear with the success of the because previously. WCW would go there and nobody would care. Nobody knew they were. I'm just fascinated by this entire thing you've got to overcome now with The WWF being such a big brand and this particular nasty convention has a very interesting. Vince McMahon Bruce Prichard story. We talked to Bruce about the Stamp D. Convention and his exchange change or conversation. He had Improv it with Vince. I did not but I'm dying to hear it because I have my own little tidbit my own little nugget my my own. Little Vince McMahon. That took place during this event. But let's your Bruce's first. I'll let I tell the full story on something wrestle but he told me years ago that that Vince was so pissed off that Hulk Hogan was here and that you guys had stolen the spotlight. You had a much bigger display display. You had more traffic you had you know. You had the momentum at this point and he felt so betrayed by Hogan and savage and he was planning ending. stunt stunt. That never actually happened. But there was going to a a Vince McMahon confrontation stunt And they were GONNA film it sort of guerrilla style and try to figure out what to do with it and of course that didn't wind up happening But I'm I'm curious to hear from your perspective perspective of Vincent when from the same convention and this is just a little a little rib if you will but when I got to Vegas and I got a couple of days as earlier and I was hanging around with my buddy at the time who has since passed away Saint Breslau off and Zane was really wired in Las Vegas. I mean he spent a lot of to love to gamble. ZANE had I don't WanNa say a problem because he was pretty successful at it But he was. He was a huge player in Vegas. He knew everybody and everybody knew Zane. And when I got there Kazan Zeh knew that I like to stir some shit and and I would do some wacky stuff and and and I were having a dinner. Whatever it wasn't a drinker he was was a partier? He just liked to gamble fact. I don't think I ever saw Zane really drank. As matter of fact he may have but if he did it was very very insignificant but for the most part he was teetotal of that love to gamble but he loved his shit up to and we're out to dinner one night and he goes. Hey I I just found out because he had some contexts over treasure island the casino on the Strip and I just found out that you know Vince. McMahon is staying treasure island. I said really. How'd you find that out? He said I've got some people I know over there which didn't surprise me new everybody everywhere I said. Wow that's really cool. Maybe we should swing by and say hi he goes. Why don't we cancel his room? I went really. Could we pull that off and I thought wow if 'cause we were there a few days ahead and and Vince I don't think it was there yet. I thought wait a minute. I knew he wasn't Zane and Zane told me he hadn't arrived yet. At the man of we can cancel. Cancel his room. There's no way he's going to be able to get another one at the last minute because Vegas during the nappy convention was like Mardi Gras New Orleans you may. They have a hotel that she booked a year in advance. But if you cancel that room in its show up day of hoping to get another one. Good luck you're going to be staying in Laughlin Nevada so so I thought what a what a better way just to kick things off than to cancel. Cancel it's his room so he's gotta find another place to stay so we yeah. We did. That cancelled his room. Yeah it sounds like the most juvenile fucking idea was it was like Highschool Shit but it was fun as hell and I was hoping to hear about a read about it. But I'm AH. I'm guessing Vince. No sold it and was somehow able to ensure customer a couple of bucks but find a way to get a room but yeah we we. We cancelled cancelled. Israel is and was able to pull that up because of the people that he knew probably misrepresentative self to a degree. I love it it was great. That's a great story. Sorry it's it's so Eric Bischoff something else that is Eric Bischoff whether we like it or not. We're coming off the main event of your biggest pay per view view of the star. Cade this one from Nineteen ninety-four that main event went down in Nashville Tennessee. All cogan the biggest wrestling starter. Ever was defending his title against Brutus. The fucking barber beefcake After that of course hawks GONNA start a feud with a real inner vader. They're going to have the first ever match at the Super Bowl pay per view in February. So that's where we're headed We should you mentioned that There's still the seeds of what is going to be with Nitro with all the international flair Starting to bubble to the surface here a little bit I answer would report. The cruiserweight tournament has been delayed for a while because nobody has gotten their act together. As far as bringing in outside talent there Bischoff in Japan this week for the Tokyo Dome at home expect that he'll request one or two wrestlers like Otani and been Wa they have verbal deal with `Antonio To Send Two wrestlers opinion is looking the sand Straw Oughta and Eddie Guerrero. Although her Bischoff didn't want Guerrero I don't know obviously even says I've heard Bischoff didn't want Guerrero. Do you remember ever thinking. Maybe Eddie wasn't ready for Prom Tom. Or is this more rumor and Innuendo. You call it rumor in anyone to I call all at pure fiction. It's just Dave meltzer being dave meltzer he wrote something because he had to. He has ten thousand word quota for his toilet paper. He called the wrestling observer and he had to fill it up and he just makes shit up. We know that anybody listens to the show. Anybody that listens to Bruce's show anybody that's even read regularly read meltzer stuff and has witnessed. How much of it is just pure bullshit? Fabrication knows that he just make stuff up to make himself sound like he's wired into an industry that he's really not that wired into he's probably got a small network of stooges that work work out there in a rustling in various wrestling companies. Still to this day who feed him the information that they want him to pair it because he they know that's basically what he is in this case he's either making it up or was stupid enough which is highly probable to just repeat. Repeat something or infer something as a possibility that some stooge fed him. Because everybody knew if you want to read it just feed at the Dave gave. He's not smart enough and doesn't work hard enough at what he does. It doesn't have enough integrity within what he did then and what he does now to second second source or confirm with any principles evolve so it was just good. You know it's just more more diarrhea for the sewage. Pipe called you know the wrestling observer server but it wasn't true at all in fact he was one of the original cruiserweights that I brought in So it it makes no sense on on the surface. But neither most of the stuff that you read and Meltzer's dirty hypothetically run into Dave on the On on the vote no and I'm glad I didn't You know I was Kinda look at first of all Dave Pussy so it's not not like I didn't want to run into him for fear of confrontation if ecstasy opposite of that knowing how fired up I can still get even at this advanced age and and clearly not physical condition To to tangle with anybody I was more concerned for my own level of reaction than anybody somebody else's And I just didn't WanNA get on a cruise ship with that kind of attitude. Because I I tend to get that way Still to this day not as often not up to the same degree but it is part of my DNA. And I didn't run into him but interestingly Enough Booker T. did now I wasn't isn't there I in an unlike Dave Meltzer. I don't give detail or description or talk about things that one guy said and the other guy said if I wasn't there to hear it but I I had heard from someone who was at this event where this scene took place there that there was this confrontation where day meltzer decided he was going to join Booker T. and Rick Flair who were sitting at a table? I think in Green Room and upset island hell hang out with hang out with the boys being the Jackson effort that he really is although he says it's not he really really is and booker. T. Tatham from what I've been told I wasn't there. I didn't see it and went absolutely awesome. and Dave being the pussy that is of course tucked tail and ran. I heard that I thought okay travel. Gurus Guerrero's the one that told me and I heard that that's really good. I I need. Hopefully I'll run into booker again before the trip is over and asked him about it and sure enough is I was getting off the boat. Actually it's a ship. Keep calling it a boat like it's a fourteen foot fishing boat. You know on a lake when as I was disembarking off the ship in Miami I I was like the fourth one off the ship Booker T. Sharma. Were right ahead of me. And I asked Booker about it. He all lit up again. It was like seven thirty thirty in the morning. I think booker sorry. I'm sorry I brought it up but you know man I like talking about it. Be a booker. Wanted to rip his head off And I think it's important important. Dave has relationships with certain people whatever The vast majority of people who have been in the industry can't stand him in booker. T's probably right at the front of the line. Yeah I learned This last year. How much Booker does not like Mr Meltzer. But I don't know man I still like the observer another bad person but no just makes you a poorly informed ha. You're still a good person. You're just a good person that likes to read a lot. And that's one of the reasons people like a lot of people like to read the national enquirer even though they know. It's even if that still exists. I don't know but you know the tabloid news people love re if they know that it's bullshit but they like reading bullshit and that's fine but you have to take it for what it really is and not put too much stock in it Did you ever I mean I can't believe we're all the way back in down the rabbit hole the health or stuff. Have you ever just like hung out with meltzer. Why social like not wrestling not not not business business? Not just the facts Ma'am reporter town subject but just like have a couple beers or breakfast or whatever ooh I don't think so. I mean if if I did it was brief or it was incidental meeting. There may have been other people around in a group group setting and you know because it was a time. When I talked to Dave I opened it I opened my you know? Open my office up to date. If he had acquire under reason I did. It is because he was so poor at your reporting facts and I understood that you know. Nobody will talk to him. Well then he's going to report whatever here's because he's not going to do any work not gonNA actually go to events in right about them. He's going to rely on somebody who bought a ticket. Who is going to tell is going to report back today? What is show was like based on you know Dave's own prejudices and agenda so I thought well what a better way to try to fix that? Just open it up and Zane. Breslau was was the person to convince me to do that and I did until pillow. Got to the point where you know. Even though I gave him access he would still right stupid shit. I don't fuck it. You can't get changes colors. He is what he is. He's never going to really do the work. He's Never GonNa have the integrity at that he should have. He's not going to check his sources. He's just gonNA write bullshit so that was the end of that so there may have been a period of time. You know when I was trying to develop a relationship with Dave through through Zane Where we may have gotten together nothing stands out in my mind? Can't you know recall one incident. But it's possible. I Guess Super Nice guys. The reason I mentioned I have been able to hang out with him and social savings and Great Guy and I just think that you guys would if you met him and you didn't know he was Dave Meltzer. You guys will be fast France but that will never happen. MELTZER would right Hogan has a meeting this week to discuss revival thunder in paradise with a new name Thunder Force In which a four person team Hogan's team Mr T.. And a female martial artists would all be equal co-stars. Of course we know. This didn't come to pass. How close was this becoming reality? A STING MR T. Hogan TV show in nineteen ninety five. This is the first. I'm hearing about it so it at. I'm not saying that there hadn't been a conversation that sounded something like. Hey what if we did this. Or because of hogs relationship with Russia entertainment the people that were producing thunder in paradise. It may be an idea. I don't know but it was not something that I was a part of a discussion that I was evolved in nor nor do I remember hearing it until just now so who knows. It could have been just chatter that they reported as fact which again at the beat it to death but that wasn't unusual or it it could could have been a conversation at somebody had at one point. What if that Like I said is somehow somehow made its way to the newsletter and somebody who needed a safety net themselves is the Honky tonk man it makes the observer here the hockey top man deal was. He refused to do a job for johnny bad. As asked stark aid hurting the one source he would have done it had he received a contract. WCW is willing to offer him one but the the two sides where about fifty thousand dollars on a price tag and it looks. As though aren't Anderson will be replacing him against Johnny bad at the clash. Monkhouse buck worked as his replacement on the house shows this week on the live show Bischoff jokes that Honky tonk man couldn't stand the heat and went back to school. Teaching hockey was is working as a physical education teacher before we went back. WC Ironic is that Honky tonk man a physical education teacher. Just I think about that. I say I never heard of this in my life. The he was a P. H.. I don't know that it's true. I I don't know what he did. But if it's it's true just define irony Honky tonk man as a physical education teacher that is IRA i Ronnie L.. Well Twenty twenty. Your favorite stories and I didn't realize was getting going researching the show that happened. You know around December number January here. This is remarkable. The job he refused to do was around star. Cade do you remember that. I don't remember the incident. I don't remember the van to the venue. I just remember the incidents you know. It's it's pretty clear in my mind but you know the background of it. I don't remember could have been one of my favorite bischoff lines ever is if I could wake up every day and fire the Hawk tonk man one more time every day it would be the best possible way to start my I know it. Would you know cup of coffee. You know stretch out a little bit. Take the dog for a walk and fire the Honky Tonk man. That'd be lots of they love it when you've got a case of the red ass. Let's keep it going here. Stop Ban. You're really going to get their. Ns here meltzer right. Supposedly W Lisa losses this year are going to be cut three and a half million. As opposed to the five to six million in previous years but that figure is misleading because Hogan Sour comes from Turner Turner Home Entertainment Sledger Rather Than W W ledger and Hogan between salary and bonuses and percentages would be no less than two point seven million in probably considerably hire for his six months so the real losses are the highest ever because of this there is considerable pressure to cut those losses by knocking about half a million off the payroll and and you can imagine the internal fighting over whose friends paycheck gets nailed. I know you're gonNA blow a gasket but they're hugging salary come from the Turner Are Home Entertainment Ledger. I've never heard that that's because it's not true. That's why you've never heard it and I look a this is so profoundly fucking stupid. I can't even really get upset about it. I mean this this is like a a six year old kid coming up and saying something to you that made absolutely no sense. You can't get mad at the six year old kid. It's just a six year old kid and in this case I can't even get mad about it because it's just meltzer being meltzer Turner home. Entertainment was barely operating. Entity was more of a pass through and and existed only to take Turner content whether it'd be WCW National Geographic any of the cartoon network materials and distribute attribute them through a home video distribution network that they had developed that's all they were and to suggest that Hogan's salary owlry or salary for of a better term you'll though he wasn't employees independent contractor but simply stated to suggest that Hogan's income income is income were the responsibility and were born on the Turner home entertainment side of the books as just profoundly. Probably fucking stupid not true. Let's keep it rolling here. Your boy Van Hammer. His real name is mark. Tim I boy. Why is he by boy? I didn't hire that was dusty. Rhodes dusty Rhodes Levin Hammer. Nothing against obviously does he love Johnny Badge Desi so a lot of talented algae a Lotta people. But he wasn't. My Guy didn't hire him now. I kept around longer than I should. That was on me by hiring of my guy. Stop that. That's that's the Dave Meltzer in you. See that's what happens when I said your boy because the aim on on because he no showed star cast see. Nobody likes Van Hammer on no-show. WCW Do this. The Larry Story. I think you're GONNA love this. I'm GonNa read this word for word. For meltzer's account Van Hammer was arrested on to cancel possession of illegally prescribed. Drugs Hammer turned turned himself in a few weeks ago while also arrested Was Lawrenceville Georgia physician Bryan Billingham. Who wrote the prescriptions? No details details on what drugs were involved however the humorous part of the story was when W W was contacted in the newspaper. A spokesperson claimed Hammer Hatton worked for the company. In two years there was a guy who looked just like him who had the same name and unfortunately wrestle just like him on. TV A few weeks ago just before he he turned himself in. I don't know why but I found this fucking hysterical the WCW would say no. I had ordered two years because really and honestly why would anyone of even fucking notice I once again. This sounds to me because once again again you know it was an anonymous source or a representative. So there's no names involved. There's no way to verify it no way to check it no way to contact somebody say hey. Did this really happen happen it which is typical. That's that's the national enquirer ask Tone of the garbage that they've produces be the but if if let's just give him the benefit of the doubt gave the benefit of the doubt in this situation and assumed that perhaps it's true that individual that representative would have been and I I made a disadvantage here because Alan sharp who eventually became. You know our ahead of PR came into WCW. But I'm not sure if he was there right at this point it may have been later a ninety five so the timeline on in his employment as our PR. Spokesperson is clear to me. But if it wasn't Alan Sharp who by the way was a very very buttoned up guy former military guy straight up. I mean really really credible guy that would have never lied. He just because he took his career very very seriously. It was true pro. Love him to death. It was a great guy. Great Asset if it wasn't Alan Sharp it would have been Mike Weber so I can't imagine Mike Weber outlying in suggesting something like that so in either case assuming that Davis reporting was true it had to have been one of those two individuals. I just can't imagine either one of them being dumb enough Unprofessional enough to think that anybody would buy something especially a newspaper. Outlet is obviously looking for source material and wants credible information is going to do a little bit of research and say well wait a minute. He was just on TV two weeks ago. What do you mean he wasn't with you for the last two years? I mean that's a that's a hard hard one you know for anybody to buy if that were true and I just don't believe it was. I think it was more nonsense. Let's talk about where businesses sort of year over year air from ninety two ninety three ninety four and we'll take a look at like December which was most recent months or complete one. Your average average house show tendons during December nine hundred ninety two nine hundred and thirty fans in December of ninety three and down to six hundred and forty thirty in December of ninety-four. It's two thousand nine hundred and seventy. It's really remarkable. Because when you look back and you see sort of where everything is ninety two flares. Not here Hogan's here in ninety three flares here Hogan's not here in ninety four Hogan savage and flair. Here twenty nine seventy. It's it's unbelievable but that doesn't seem to affect act television ratings. Let's take a look at December again. December ninety two your average rating two point two similar ninety three two point zero the summer ninety four one point nine. You know you have been critical and I'm sure you have the data to support it especially when we read some of the smaller gates. The House shows effectively warrant Profitable for WCW but it does feel like you had tremendous growth when compared here to prior years but still not enough to you know great profit. Well I mean there's a reason for that and I think think it's on the surface the way you just kinda laid out that timeline. All of it was true. I I'm obviously accurate. Do Your Research and I'm sure it's true So one thing that Meltzer does do pretty well is a report on gates and revenues and things like that because that's relatively easy thing to do Doesn't it doesn't have to crack a sweat But to suggest for example. And when you said and I'm paraphrasing you now I don't remember exactly what you said but the fact of the ninety three Hogan was there but Rick Flair was but we were probably in you know the average attendance of seven hundred or whatever. The average gate was in attendance that it wasn't a reflection on ric flair. No I'm just saying the difference of flare in Hogan and Macho that now it feels like man you've got a lot of the major stars in the business at that point and you know we've sort of talked about Hogan being a game changer from an An ad sales standpoint point when guys are are reaching for their briefcase and they've got hulk Hogan I mean that's a really cool sort of trump card to pull out but the remarkable remarkable difference of sort of a pre Hogan WCW and a post token WCW. It's night and day in every metric. Yeah and and I think again I got to slow down here a little bit because I'm on my Eighth Cup of coffee. So one unhelpful. I'm not the only one unhealthy thing I do. But it is one of the unhealthy things. I do consume vast just copious amounts of caffeine. Especially when I know I'm doing doing this podcast Look the the attendance came up because the base rustling audience. I don't want to call them hardcore. But the active passionate most loyal professional wrestling fans certainly came out to the arenas us. But there's not enough of a base there at least there wasn't wcw at the time There wasn't enough of a base of that audios the US to have the same impact on a national television ratings. So in other words we could go to a local market in nineteen ninety two or ninety three when bill. Watts was basically the architect of the house. Show business and hold on one second this Brigham More Caffeine on number nine nine Conrad. I hope you're tied to the chair because this is gonNA be crazy. Oh here we go back in the eighties. It would have been another instrument to give me going in the morning but now it's caffeine good caffeine but just be. She looks so hot in the morning. It's just crazy But as I was saying there's there was enough of a base audience for example we would go to a the Hampton Virginia which is less city that you mentioned we're clash was supposed to be I guess take place. Well Hampton Virginia. You've got a pretty strong base of wrestling fans. When when that strong base of wrestling fans found out new or became aware that Hogan and savage and others around the card? Sure you're gonNA get a significant impact in terms of your your live gate but that didn't necessarily translate to the national television audience because WCW was cut off of everybody's radar. You're number two but we were. We might as well Aben number thirty two compared to to wwe. We were so insignificant to the National Television Audience That while the impact initial impact of Hogan and savage had a dramatic attic effect on how show business it had a it took a lot longer for the national television audience. Direct react in the same wait because of national television audience is probably eighty percent what I would refer to as peripheral fans meaning. They're not as passionate there now. Allies loyal. But Hey if I'm if I'm home and there was nothing else going on flipping through the channels. Yeah I'll watch wrestling. I kind of get a kick out of it but they don't really follow it week after week after week after week unless you give them a reason listen to we. Did you know ninety six ninety seven ninety eight but we were building that audience. So you're right. You know Hogan Nash. The other people that we brought in I think you know producing our shows and Disney increasing the production values. I think some of the stunts that we pulled it got a lot more mainstream media given WCW ever had ninety four ninety five. You know bringing in Shaquille O'Neal and you know some of the other celebrities that we worked with the cumulative effect of of all those things slowly began to grow the television audience but not at the same trajectory as we were enjoying in the live event side of our business. A moment ago you talked about bringing a national but you mean randy savage. I'm sorry yeah too too much coffee. No big deal. Let's time is getting go ahead of my brain. Here's one that I can pretty confident so your boy. Your boy John Leveque gave notice on January tenth he'd be leaving for the WWF the F.. Turning down a contract believed to be between fifteen hundred nineteen hundred dollars a week. Apparently Leveque decision was based on a track record of the WWF. Compared to W W will be when it comes to creating new stars and felt that even though WCW had plans to make him and Steven Regal the tag champs well Sherri as their manager feuding with the baby face Harlem Heat Ninety five that he takes his chances without guaranteed money since Titan is obviously going to be pushing new blood this year hard as it can accompany meetings. Bischoff off was fuming over the vexed lack of loyalty because he took him from nothing. And this is the respect he gets. And after the example set with Ricky steamboat. I can't believe anyone one can question at W. W. Wrestler about making a decision and even considering loyalty to the company in Hindsight we know that the man who would go on. I'm to be hunter. Her sounds lear. Triple h made the right call but You said before the man this one really was a borough onto your saddle. What do you remember about him? Giving you notice here. I remember he did and I remember. I didn't really care. And I think that reporting again reflective of the kind of information nation either the information that was fed to to Meltzer that was completely untrue. Because people like Terry Taylor had their own agendas And others I'm not saying Terry Taylor was the one specifically but I think in this case the likelihood is pretty good because of Terry's relationship with Paulo Beck at the time. Think Terry. It was the one that actually campaign pretty hard to bring Paul in In in you know Jerry had his own issues with the truth and reality from time to time but it wasn't true to me look. I wasn't excited about hiring Paul AVEC. I really could've taken believe in them. And at the time because budgets were such a big issue with Paul all came on board in because he did live on the east coast and I was making a bid. We've talked about this before I was really trying to concentrate our rosser build a roster shirow people that lived within close proximity of Atlanta Where they did live out of state for example a lot of talent that lives in Florida? The airfares were relatively inexpensive. I DIDN'T WANNA be flying people in from New York or Boston her Seattle Los Angeles because it was just really expensive and have to do do that every week or every other week. So I wasn't excited about Paul when he came in and I wasn't that disappointed when he left Not that I didn't think that he had talent not that. I didn't think he was all that valuable but I didn't look at him as a Guy I invested in and created and I gave this opportunity that that premise premise is just so. It's just so false. It's just not true. I wasn't happy that he was leaving. I wanted him to stay. But I this idea that he was disloyal to me and I was incensed and company. Meetings is just not true. I really felt felt like you I maybe I'm confusing that story with Jericho Jericho who said that. He felt like Vince could make him a star. You're or something like that and that annoys you not AAA. Maybe I'm confusing the two. Well I don't know I I don't recall and and Chris I mean. I've never talked to Paul about this I you know I mean the truth. Is Paul Cuisine. WCW for a cup of coffee. You know he wasn't a high profile guy so there's just not a lot of concrete stories relationships or conversations or issues. Negotiations are anything that I could really talk about because he was just there for a brief time what I have heard secondhand in third hand so I don't know if it's true at all all is that Paul's original intention was to come to WCW to try to get on the WWF's radar and that makes sense to me. Paul is a very smart guy either. Really Smart Guy In being that Paul grew up in you know. I think it was Boston or wherever he grew up. I can't remember where he's from. But you know the northeastward. WWF was prominent. It was the brand was the wrestling company and Paul was just coming on. I think it was killed wall skis wrestling school and hadn't really had much exposure at the time I think he looked at WCW as a transition and in a platform and an opportunity to get noticed to go to wwf so it was a means to an end and if he did make the right decision he go back and look at it historically WCW other than sting and a couple of other characters looks Lugar. I guess W didn't have a track record of creating stars ars. I didn't really have the platform to do it. But didn't really have the history of doing it either creatively so it was a good decision but I think if you were to ask paw aw at some point either you may have that opportunity or run across them and ask them. Because I'm curious now. I'm pretty sure he came to. WCW for the soul express reason to go to the WWF. And I I heard something similar. I think. Read something similar in an interview with Chris. Jericho that that was his ultimate goal was to get the. WWF took advantage of the exposure. WCW gave him and the fact that we made him a star to go to wwf in order to become or wwe beggar bigger star and he did nothing. Wrong with that Well he made the right. Call here because you know when you guys bring in obviously flares but on top for a minute. But he's been back for a couple of years and and now Hogan's in and savage then. It's getting pretty crowded at the top. Meanwhile on the other channel they do have guys that are probably closer to his age body type and he probably has a better fighting chance to to make it there and Onsite being what is he certainly did but maybe one of those decisions that we could wish we had back was about Mark Matt. He's in the news here. meltzer would say Mark Mark Madden help promote a show in Pittsburgh and it was the subject of great controversy this past week while in the midst of promoting the show BISCHOFF threatened madden with firing on the nine hundred lines supposedly for his reporting that lex Luger would becoming the WCW or probably as much for him discussing on. They're not hundred. Line the possibility evader shooting on Hogan and then discounting the possibility that doesn't appear to be any truth whatsoever in regards to the Lugar story however since the WCW hotline gained attention. When one Oakland started hinting that Bra and Yokozuna we're GONNA job the new thing has been to say people are leaving even when they're not and that has happened a half dozen times over the last few weeks even after Madden was reprimanded for doing the same thing Oakland in a few days later talked about rumors of Luger coming in and Oakland and Heenan not the flair and Roddy Piper? Jump on television as ts to get the calls to the point that even internally people were questioning the nature of the ripoffs ripoffs the hotline. It feels like was a lightning rod for Pr Nightmares Front Office. Headaches it it it it reads sometimes like it was fucking more trouble than it's worth. It was that what you came around to. Oh really and and I think. A lot of that reporting is exaggerated in some cases not accurate. You know this particular incident. It's just it wasn't a significant enough enough of an issue for me to remember any detail of it. There were a number of occasions. And I'm I'M GONNA again give benefit of the doubt and say a portion of but maybe all of it is true to a degree. I you know the the notion that I threatened people with fire in you know I can count on on one hand and have plenty of figures. Leftover the number of people that I've fired. I know the the the narrative that I was like this bombastic tire Antonelli Antonello fire like to fire people and you know threaten people and try to intimidate people with their jobs. Whatever just nonsense? It's not true. Well yeah that doesn't mean that I didn't have an issue with mark and We should get mark on the show one time. And just Kinda recount some of these incidents because it comes up a lot with Mark Madden and the nine hundred lines but you know he could have easily said something that I had an issue with And I could have easily you know Oh had had a conversation with about it. I may even been pissed off about it but to a degree. But that doesn't mean I'm left threaten to fire anybody and let let's call it. What it is? The nine hundred line was not like legit news how he admit unlike unlike unlike the dirt sheets that call themselves journalists at the time specifically meltzer you know and the image that they try I to portray that they have this inside. Information is accurate may know the real story behind the story which is just a fig this. It's just fiction right. We embraced it. We knew what we were doing. We were in the wrestling business. The the nine hundred line wasn't extension of what we did the ring so to suggest that you know there was all these issues and reporting things that weren't true in the wrestling business only. We embraced it and we didn't try to pretend we were something that we aren't a weren't I guess at the time but there were from time to time. Because I gave Gino Gene Oklahoma. I gave Mark Mad. The reason I hired Mark Manda eventually is because I love the fact that he'd go into business for himself occasionally and STIR SH- some shit up can create controversy easy and create a buzz. I wanted that buzz to surround my brand and whether it be the hotline or create enough interest by using the hotline to get people to drop tap into the show and sample it that was a strategy that I embrace. I wanted the controversy. I didn't want to have to put put the reins on either mark or Gene Oakland. And say man you guys go to deliver you know. PBS macneil macneil Lehrer Newshour type of content bullshit it was designed to be controversial. It was designed to almost be a parody of the dirt sheets at the time and it was generated significant amount of money. Now here's what we ran and to trouble when I'm just giving an example of something that may or may not have happened but when Mark Madden would go off on a story that involve talent sometimes mark would step over the line you know mark. I love Mark Matinee. Margus to this day I love running into mark. We have a great time when we see each because I saw him last at the Tony Shabani Birthday party here. A couple months ago Thanks thanks your invitation And I love hanging with Marquees is a funny smart intelligent guy however he steps over the line from time to time as comedians often do as a lot a lot of people often do it up this is people off in every once in a while mark would piss off you know some of our upper tier talent and and they'd come complaining to me and I had you know sued them and assure them that I deal with it and that type of thing so I was. I was caught in that crossfire but the reason hired hired mark was do that exact same type of thing because it was essentially kind of we were doing the chiefs were doing but we were doing it in house and and we weren't trying to hide it. Let's let's get to the show. Let's get to the clash of the champions before we do. We should mention that was dark match. Brad and Scott Armstrong would be Dick Slater and Buck House blocking eight minutes and thirty two But then it's time for the big show we've got aren't Anderson retaining his TV TV title. Over Johnny boombats seven minutes. Thirty eight seconds. meltzer really liked it. He said this was the best match of their series of matches thus far gave it. Three Stars We should mention that. Colonel Robert Parker is here before because he's managing arn and Anderson fans are Are really getting into Hukou being rinkside. Johnny B. Bad's GonNa hit the knockout points but he accidentally gently knocks. Aren't Anderson out of the ring in the process Parker would revive Anderson by pouring a a pitcher of water on his face which is quite the visual orange sold big big and then bad starts chasing Parker around than into the ring and that allowed arn to catch him with a DVD for the pin and even though orange the bad guy and he's got all all these bad guys supporting cast characters on the outside. The fans are cheering his win in a big way. Probably like ninety percent What did you think of this match? She saw at this time for the first time in a long time it's par for course johnny be bad in the opener of ww in this era It felt like it was a legal requirement. Yeah I mean I did watch it actually a couple of hours ago before doing the show with you in My thoughts while I was watching it was man. It's too bad that that Marc Mero The character Johnny bad ended up with that character. I mean it really is I think that was dusty. Rhodes idea it was his vision and again. No no you gotta put things in context sees you to be critical twenty five years after the fact looking back knowing what we know now all that kind of thing but in this was i. Think a remnant of the kind of over the top characters that were so successful in the eighties and the nineties. That's wide Johnny. Johnny became Johnny Bad I. I'm assuming again I never talked to dusty about this but I think if Marc Mero had come in with a little less Leslie effeminate characteristic in the the what do you call the Blazer Gimmick. Did he had shut up to the bad blaster The little Richard kind of personifies that I think would have really worked well in the eighties. But now we're in the mid nineties in let's just not resonating but set that aside and just go back in and if you take it every listen to this chance to go back to the network and watch this go back and look at this match between arn and and Johnny and I think you have to recognize two things number one. The reason I think one of the reasons that mark looked so good johnny bad look so good in this match has a lot to do with our Anderson. And it's it's a dance right and guys like Arne Anderson and Ric flair and a handful of others have the unique ability to make someone who's pretty good look great. Somebody who's great look phenomenal so I think a lot of credit a in terms of the quality this match has to go to Arne Andersson number one. In as the he'll he was calling the match. I'm sure But Johnny be bad. You know to to tip my hat to Johnny are Marc Mero. I think he may have been at the top of his game right about here. He looked really really really good. And the thought crossed. My mind was well I would have really loved to see mark. Excuse me have this opportunity with a guy. Like aren't Anderson at this stage in his his life without the baggage of their kind of goofy character. That people just weren't relating to people. I think people would look back on. Marc Mero much differently differently in terms as a performer. Had He not been saddled with that gimmick that kind of just stuck with them and it's worth mentioning by the way. This guy was a golden in gloves boxer. So legit bad ass was married to the woman we would go on to know a sable who became the hottest woman in the history of the business in every metric. You could possibly imagine and then went on to be a very successful motivational speaker. What what a character? What a story to life and polar opposite to the onscreen character but he's still pulled off so credit to him for you know making the best of a bad situation and he managed to leverage Indo quite the career? But I'm with you. What could have been if it was a different gimmick almost feel that way about and totally different situation? But you and I've talked about this with this go. Inferno Furnao was a hell of a performer in fairly silly gimmick. But it's just it's amazing sor- sort of backing and fantasy but what if no I think you know to to carry this forward and other individual so that we're gonNA talk about probably in a few moments you know if you make a list of the people that had incredible potential a great look Great in ring abilities and the potential to have even greater abilities with some more experience because they were young Alex right in another character you know eight or another person. Eighteen eighteen nineteen years old. I think when he came to. WCW You know. We'll talk about him in a few minutes. I don't need to go into it now but I think he's another character that had he not been saddled with a a pretty goofy gimmick even by early ninety standards Are Mid Ninety. Sanders could have easily become a much much hotter piece of business op because he had all the tools and there are a number of guys probably fell into that category. And you know it wasn't lack of effort it wasn't like a commitment on anybody's part. It was just not really seeing what the president in the future is probably going to really react to in terms of a character and reaching back into that eighties bag of tricks hoping that it would stick and you know it wasn't just se roads. I did it oh Cogan did it. Ric flair did it when ric flair was booking you know so he not Criticizing necessarily because again it was twenty five years ago But again fantasy booking is the best way to say it what if but I think Johnny Bad Marc Mero is one those characters as you said that had he come in with different character Little bit of a different edged to him and at that silly liberace Johnny B. or excuse me a little Richard kind of gimmick he could have been people will look back at. You ought to be bad at a much different way than they do now. Couldn't agree more next up. We see main gene interviewing Kevin Sullivan. The butcher with Sullivan saying he and butcher are prepared for what lies ahead. And the Big van Vader Harley race and Ric flair being. There will work in their favor and Sullivan. Donovan also implies the Randy savage might turn on Hogan in the main event and then we get a music video of Alex right or see clips of his matches through a bunch of different TV monitors sorta cool for what it is at the time and then we get as you said a very young Alex Wright who had been previously talked about on answers sure suspicion nineteen years old here. They're introducing him as being eighteen years old meltzer would say match was okay though nobody cares about right. It's too bad he has potential. And he's got the kind of look that women would go for by shoving that down people's throat it actually works reverse The matches okay seven minutes. It's twenty eight seconds to stars is the rating that we get from Dave meltzer eight and kicked out of rights cross body off the top rope. Then Ri- kicked out of Eaton's Alabama jam before rice scored or pen. Will they second cross body. You got one of the all time greats in there and Bob Eaton and he's probably the right God put in their with a young guy trying to get over and This did a fine job to me. It showcases what he can do in the ring but something is amiss. And it's pro. I mean is it the jacket the dancing what are you. What are you hanging your hat on here? Well I think first. First and foremost he was brand new in our relatively new. It takes a long time for character. Get over very few wrestling characters. Physically very unwanted not have not been part of the business and don't have you know years and years of exposure somewhere It takes a long time to get over so I think his age in the fact that he was so new new to the audience. As part of it I do think as we discussed earlier. The Gimmick was just horrible. It was just a horrible gimmick for him and it didn't connect and it didn't resonate Y- a- and before we go too much further talking about Alex. You mentioned the interview with Kevin Sullivan in the butcher. Brutus the fucking Barbara beefcake I I encourage everybody. That's listening to the show and not because I'm showing for the W. W. E. Network. Because obviously I'm not there and never will be again but but you gotta go back and watch this for pure entertainment value. This is one of those promos. That is so bad it's awesome. It is so bad particularly the butcher the facial expressions I mean. It's it is so horrible horrible. I was laughing my ass off watching it. That's how bad it was a and look. I'm going to admit putting an I wasn't booking I wasn't the guy responsible for booking the show but I was the guy responsible for allowing the booker to go forward with it. I could have stopped it. You know what I mean. I was driving but I could have easily taken the steering wheel for a moment and said no no no no. We're not going to action. We gotta go in this direction. But I didn't and that responsibility lots ability lies solely on me but the idea was not my idea had no fingerprints on that at all. I will say however that that Pudding Brutus. The Barber beefcake in a main event while probably doesn't rise to the level level of a crime against humanity is fucking close on the list. It's gotta be there close. It was. Oh Bad oh my God. It was horrible. But you gotta go back and watch pro. I think it happens around the fourteen or fifteen minute mark on this particular. Show go back and look at this promo if you need a laugh if you really WanNa see just how campy bad things could be and it wasn't just WCW by the way there are some pretty can't be bad stuff stuff that was going on at wwf at the time to still is as a matter of fact. But that's just the nature of the business you know not. Everything is serious. Sometimes things are just so bad. They're good and this was probably like there was an award for being so bad. It was good. This would win an academy award for Alex Right. It's been written written or said rumored. He thought he had the potential to be one of your next big break out stars even saw somebody say Oh eric once said that could be as next hall. Oh cogan I call but still the international flair you know. He's a young guy he's good looking. He's in great shape. He's got an interesting move sets. If if we can you know politics some of this up you could see how this could be a very big draw internationally. Sort of the W. W. equivalent to maybe what the British bulldog was to the WWF Jeff Generation before no look. I don't WanNa be redundant and keep saying the same thing over and over again. I tend to do that sometimes when I get excited and passionate but you know it it just try if you listen to the show and you do decide to go back and watch this particular episode on the network. Watch watch Alex here. Watch this match and pretend if you can use your imagination we all have them some more than others but try to try to set aside the goofy gimmick in the in the dancing and and you know the the boy toy gimmick in by the way I think that was your father in law that was that was his vision for Alex. set all that aside and just look at the physical talent that you see in the right. Yeah and he was a great looking young kid I mean he whatever was eight thousand nine hundred twenty whatever he was. I don't remember but great looking kid amazing physique and was able to really do a lot of tremendous things in the ring for nineteen or twenty year old kid so much potential. Now if you look at this again and and try to be objective and help him out while you're watching this by losing that silly s gimmick it just look at the the the performance in the ring I I think he did have a ton of potential to suggest that I would say he could be our next Hulk Hogan now was a me. I'm not going to assign it to. I think it probably was or could have been I. I guarantee frigging tea with me but that doesn't take away from the fact that the Alex did have a ton of potential again like Merrill Johnny be saddled with a horrible gimmick. That killed him coming out of the chute that you probably couldn't recover from unless you made a concerted effort to do so and there was no effort to do so. Let's keep it moving here and let's talk about Gino Caroline he's GonNa recap the issues surrounding the Hogan Vader mask for Super Brawl. Paul before it welcomes out vader for an interview later here is going to accuse Hogan Dodge again saying it's time's running out. Race was not here with fater because he he was in an automobile accident that Herman Li ended his career as a manager. We haven't talked about that much here on the show but is a a relatively tiddly famous story In wrestling circles. What do you remember about Harley race and and him no longer being answering character for you guys I? I don't remember the details. I'm not sure that I really knew details at the time. Other than the fact that he wasn't in a serious accidents and that he you know physically he would no longer be able to to participate. I I remember that but the details of the actual accidents and how it happened where it happened and all that I am not sure ever knew certainly if I did I don't remember now It it you know look Harley was valuable for a lot of reasons and I think of all the managers that I've ever worked with you know whether it was in the AWA or WCW I think Harley race was probably the only one that was what I would consider to be a legitimate manager because Harley really was instrumental in so many occasions in helping manage combustible vader vader was A. He was sometimes very difficult to do as a lot of top talent word by the way. Not just tater but oftentimes when you guys would get to a certain level Their competitiveness invader very competitively and white. You Know College standout. Football player played for the Denver Broncos. I believe he was a competitor. He was probably a better from the time he was six years old. And oftentimes when you get people that are highly competitive and you put them. In high profile situations they can be a little bit tough to deal with and that's not only true professional wrestles with musicians true with actors. It's probably a lot of locations but Harley race was one of the few people that Leon White Decay evader was afraid of and trusted and would listen to so wouldn't ever. There was an issue with whether it be finishes or anything. That would come up. We would go to Harley to help fix whereas other managers guys Jimmy Hart in Sherry since Sherry Sherry and Robert Parker all the other you know the characters that we identify as managers were props. They were there is there to help at the they were. They were the greed shit that they the salary or whatever. It is Parsley. They put on your plate when you order a steak to make it look a little prettier. garnish. But but that was not the case with Harley Race Harley was a legitimate manager and he was oftentimes instrumental in the rank Harley could do towards the end of his career before the accident are early still whatever. He was fifty four fifty five years old at that time. Still doing some amazing taking some amazing bumps in the ring. Let's keep moving here. And let's talk a little bit about Ric flair because he's GonNa come ringside here with two women it's GonNa make peace with vader takes a seat in the crowd and Heenan welcomes flair back the WCW. You may remember He lost a retirement retirement match to Hogan back in October Halloween Havoc we see Harlem heat retain the WB tag titles beating. Marcus Alexander Zander Bagwell and the Patriot. Nine minutes and forty five seconds meltzer would say all four worked hard and he says Bhagwat was worked over most of the way a mass was better than average. But the finish was really messed up with Sherry on the Apron Holding your shoe waiting for a spot. Booker T.. Called for fifteen seconds which just is made everyone look stupid Sherry took an outrageous bump on they finally got to it as Bagwell reverse tease whip Antigua hit with high heel shoe. Bagwell Ahead T. pen but stevie ray kicked back in the face. He went over backwards. T pinned him two and a quarter stars definitely miscue here But AH otherwise decent action. I don't know why but Bagwell and the Patriot just didn't work for me as a team here. No you know del. L. Wilkes Aka the Patriot great performance. We've talked about him. You know before. The show had a lot of the ingredients. If not almost all of the ingredients to become a big star with the exception of his mic work was just never really up to up to par but again you know watching this early this morning. It was a little bit of a again. It was a throwback character. You'll throw back to the eighties type of thing. You know. Marcus Bagwell You know he's he was is always like right on the cusp. You know a little bit like Alex right good looking guy. Great Body Great Physique but was just never able to really breakthrough to that next level In terms of connection with the audience but the match was again. You know watching this. It reminded me why you know Harlem. He so deserves to be in the hall of fame because they've done so much in their careers In in again I was reflecting seeing booker on the on the on the ship almost called it a boat again talking about what he's doing he's you know he's very active given WWe Very successful as a broadcast which I'm so proud of because he's so great at it but he's also calling boxing. He's got his own radio show. He's got his own wrestling programmer school and in going on down in Houston. There's so many good things Booker T. is doing and I'm just grateful to have had the opportunity to work with him and Stevie really really Remarkable tag team one of the all time greats. Glad that in more recent years ears. They're starting to finally just to join the hall of fame. Let's talk about Gene Hoaglund on his back on the show. He's all over this one interview Hogan Randy savage. Jimmy Hart Hogan's GonNa Task Jimmy with being lookout with vader and flair earring todd And then Gene Hive Super Bowl. Five pushing it's going to happen in Baltimore and at the only match signed so far is for the world title with Hogan Invader for the WB Championship. But if you want to hear what's happening behind the scenes right now call hotline costing an avalanche. This is going to be a referee stoppage. And what mess. Recall a weird finish in five minutes and twenty seconds It is a little little interesting meltzer would write avalanche control. Early with power moves. After a collision avalanche went down stink fell against the ropes and went down accidentally accidents. headbutting avalanche in the Groin sting than us four Stinger splashes before putting on the Scorpion. Avalanche was shaking his head and tapping out concession but the special referee Guardian Angel didn't call it so nick Patrick came out and stop the match. Ruling Avalanche had submitted angel in Patrick Start arguing with angel saying hey. I'm the REF in charge. And then Angel Tax Patrick and staying starts punching angel and then avalanche and and angels Sorta Work on sting angel pulls his belt out and then of course Bagwell and patriot. Make the save sort of a weird deal here after the match two gene is interviewing angel and says something like you're not going back to big BUBBA Rogers and then of course at the end of the interview. He says he is now big bubba rogers sort of a weird way to make like a change like this. That are Guardian Angel Characters being abandoned. And now we're going back to our first gimmick that we may remember Meltzer says talk about life going full circle mass watchable but easily the worst thing on the show starring a quarter while was the Guardian crapping out here the combination of a couple of things it just it really wasn't resonating The idea of creating again people may have heard this before in the show but guardian angels still are. By the way it's an organization still exists in New York City to this day. Last time I was in New York City a couple months ago for our meeting I was walking around later in the evening looking for a Sushi bar and I saw a couple of the Guardian Angels So wore the red berets and the t shirts that identify them or jackets that identified them as Guardian Angels for people. That don't know the the Guardian Angels are It's an organization of volunteers who really patrol the streets. They're not armed. They're not law enforcement But they patrol the streets who to keep an eye out for Crimes and and and reported reported as such the police or take physical action if necessary in the heat of the moment until to law enforcement arrives. So it's a legitimate organization. It was founded by a gentleman by the name of Curtis Sliwa who back in the ninety s was getting a tremendous amount of national publicity because of his work the Guardian Angel so there was a lot of media media around the Guardian Angels. Curtis was really excited. You know to get some exposure for the Guardian Angels On. WCBS was excited about working with Ray traylor car but it. It just didn't connect and we needed We need to go a different direction with very creatively because we needed heels so it was just a it. It was an evolution. It was timing. It was the right thing to do at the right time. I agree The finish like so many finishes and WCW at the time. They almost seem like after thoughts. There's just been so many times that you and I have talked about these shows. I've gone back to watch a show and you know if it's a fifteen minutes fifteen minute match you know. Fourteen minutes of it is really pretty damn good good but the last sixty seconds kill it because the finishes are usually botched or overly complicated or almost always involve outside interference There's probably probably a race To the to the bottom to determine whether it's outside interference in general or ref bump is it was historic a WCW booking And lack of creative when it came to finishes and that was true across the boards including yours truly so Was One of the big. This is you know the WCW always had was finishes and this is not only was his match pretty bad and let's face it with a guy. I like Avalanche it's going to be hard to have you know any kind of a match that people think was a decent match or a good match great match would be probably impossible to reach reach but this one was particularly bad made only worse by a fucked up finish. Let's keep moving here and let's talk about Our main event or finally here Hogan Randy savage on one side Kevin Sullivan and the butcher on the other Absurd you to hear that. Yeah bad man. Eleven minutes for seconds As you might imagine. Here's a surprise us. It's the hot tag. It's the old boot to the face. On Butcher savage drops the elbow does the leg drop. Nobody's getting up after that one two three and after the match vader jumps in knock savage out of the Ring Hogan Punches in three times. But of course fader doesn't sell any of that yet and then he power bombs him at Hogan No cells then hops right back up and savage and Hogan of Double Team Vader some point Vader riffs his pants which is kind of funny. I guess I I notice that or if that was reported but yeah he took that big bump and all assets was pants opened up. It was kind of funny. Jimmy Hart throws each got share invader backs off and they're posing in the show monster would Ryan whatever the purpose was for flair to be there and the plans of what to do thwarted for reasons that are unclear. Although I guess maybe it was just to be t's at this point star and a half any discussion that you remember about vader and Hogan Not really wanting to sell for each other or is that all the design and everybody's doing exactly what they're supposed to get the super bowl and nobody had any issues at all. I don't know again. I didn't lay out the match. I wasn't the agent for the match. Wasn't involved in laying it out so I can't honestly suggests that I knew how people were real people meeting the principals and the match where reacting to each other. I think the whole you know vader not wanting to work with Hogan or Hogan Hogan's wanting to work with vader and the the anticipation that we were building up as to. What would happen when these two finally got into the ring? I think a lot of that was intentionally. You know a rated R. Part to create interest. I guess this is just a guess. that both Hogan and Vader were we're playing into that Again to build interest in to see what would happen when they actually did get in the ring And here's what's interesting going back to flair being at ringside invader. I really liked that aspect of this. I mean there's a lot of things about this match almost all of in having to do with the fact that Ed Leslie was in it. There's a lot of things that I you know again. Giving it a little bit of a pass because of the context of the time in in all of those things which you have to do but one of the things I really did like about this match. And the way it was laid out is that there was a tremendous potential there with with flair and Vader at ringside. And I really wish would looking back at it now with twenty twenty hindsight in twenty twenty. By the way that that we would have done something more with that because it is as bad as I was was it. Bad is unfulfilling as the finish to this match was had there been an inciting incident at the end of it involving flair and vader and Hogan and savage no one would have remembered the match or the weaknesses of the match. The match would have been a setup setup to a really cool kind of inciting moment that would have led to super bowl and we totally miss that opportunity. I have no. Did you live Yup. But I love the idea of you. Know the anticipation we story. Anticipation you know reality. Surprise action really really knocked the anticipation out of the park by having vader in flair there. And just let the air out of it which is really too bad. There's a missed opportunity overall It's been written that for whatever reason Hogan wasn't too trusting of working with Vader vader definitely work a more stiffer style a realistic style. And a Lotta Times that meant getting hit with some live rounds. I have a feeling at some some point they may have turned to you the OFA Manchu and said that doesn't work for me. Brother not really. I'm GonNa make one thing clear. I mean look the the fact in the truth is that Hogan wasn't excited about the prospects of working with vader because their styles didn't mesh and Hogan would be the first one to tell you that he had he had his own style that worked for him brother it worked for WWF rather it worked ultimately for WCW brother and that style mile and that presentation in the ring was not something that he felt. Vader was capable or interested in a accommodating and that was but that was more of a creative issue than it was any kind of fear. Hogan is a much tougher individual than people think people think because he liked to work the way he worked in his presentation was very animated and and and by the way he made tens of millions of dollars in the process and probably probably hundreds of millions for WWF in the process so it obviously was a formula. That worked very well for Terry Belaya the character Hulk Hogan but but it wasn't because he was physically afraid of anybody or not capable of going in there and hanging banging if you don't believe in if you're listening to this this and you think well the only reason eric say as because he's close friends with Hulk Hogan go back and look at some of his matches in Japan the but Ho Ho could didn't want to have those was kind of matches for the US domestic audience because he believed that didn't work so you know again go back. Look it's available. You know. Search some of his matches with Antonio Liane okay or anybody else in Japan you see a much different very physical and very capable Hogan when it came to that type of in shoot style match It wasn't because he didn't. He was fearful for himself physically. It was because he just didn't believe that vader sal would work with him in the ring so one of the reasons why hall really wouldn't have come to WCW and work with anybody else right out of the chute other than Ric flair Dr Because Hulk new that Rick flair could work hog style match and make him look phenomenal in the process. Well something that didn't look phenomenal. Is the wrestling observer reader poll for this particular clash of the champions it got seventeen point one percent thumbs in the middle nine percent thumbs up in an overwhelming. Seventy three point nine percent thumbs down. What say you went back for the first time in twenty five years thumbs up up comes down thumbs up in the middle I would say thumbs in the middle and again I'm I'm I'm look? I'm not objective. You know I'm I'm trying to be as objective as I can be but I readily admit because I was involved in it and my fingerprints are on it. I'm probably looking at a little differently than the average viewer but what I watched it back in the context of the time twenty five years ago compare it to what was going on in WWF. Twenty five years ago. It's not nearly as bad as I think the readers of you know David Diarrhea. She would suggest it would be like Conrad is like if we took a poll of all my twitter followers. Not and to Ask what is your opinion. Dave Meltzer what do you think my twitter followers the vast majority of. What do you think they're going to say these onto that sums thumbs up or thumbs down but I'm not going to do that because he's not worth the time our effort but again trying to put this context when we hear the statement well readers of the observe overwhelmingly thumbs down? Of course they did. Because they're pandering to Dave just like my my twitter followers I would probably pandered to a degree to me. Well large degree so the whole let the wrestling observer. Poll says didn't say was really fucking. Can you relevant the only thing that really mattered was the money and growth and where we were going and I think is is average breach. I think at best that this show was It was another step in the right direction in in another no indication of WCW was on the right path. Perfect not even close to perfect but certainly on the right path and it certainly helped us with you know the executives that were in the audience at nappy. It certainly helped us with advertisers is certainly helped us with our fan. Base in in our KORFF are a abroad fan base nothing hardcore dirt cheap reading you know basement dwelling types but you know the peripheral fan which was eighty eight percent of the audience not the probably ninety percent of the audience or ninety five percent of the audience now the vocal five percent that voted thumbs up or thumbs down. Well I am looking forward to next week. We're going to Hashtag ask Eric anything but before we get there we let our followers on twitter. Ask any question they wanted about this show in particular and without question the best question came from big red six three and we. I mean you've ever talked about this. Savage average wakes up Hogan from the sleeper. Bob Rudas the fucking Barber beefcake with the flying elbow who looked this shit. Ah I was wondering if that was going to come up and I was surprised. Frankly you glanced over it as you're describing that because when I saw plot this is twenty five years ago. A lot of water is going under the bridge since then so I didn't remember this match. I remember the finish of it. I remember anything about it so when when I'm watching it this morning and I saw savage Gupta time ago. Oh my God I don't remember Randy Savage at hall this is crazy. This is going to be good. He and he drops it up one from the top turnbuckle in Hogan's snaps up lucky just had a shot of adrenaline or one of those. Those paddles I put it in your heart. If they think you're having a heart attack he just Bam shut up and he was sprung into action. Wow I like a wish would have been in the room. When they were laying that one out uh-huh raising a master salesman to be able to sell you? Know savages will guarded finish as just not. Let me make it my wakeup spot brother I worked and we hope that you guys I enjoyed the show put together for fire your question off right there and stay detained next week. If having already hit the subscribe button leave us a five star review if you think we've earned it and stay tuned every Monday right here on Westwood. One for eighty three weeks with Eric Bischoff.
Superman: The Wedding Album
"This episode of keep some lunatic sidekicks is brought to you by tweaked. Audio get awesome headphones. Get tweaked audio dot com and use the coupon code southgate get thirty percent off reshipping in a lifetime warranty working. Get there through the link on our website. Southgate needed group. Dot com ca. Paris annual listing in the lunatics. Sidekicks podcast leading up to get married. What's right welcome back to the final episode of leading the over twenty twenty. I am phil joining me as always is it inside the recorder. Nice asked right. So the final episode of year from the superman and lois series covering superman. The wedding album. This for four ninety modern comics could never even happened did it. Yes brown somber thousand nine hundred ninety six. I was on hold. Well yeah the whole decade old triangle number forty seven about that. You're so yes Own my lord. The credits on this. I mean literally. They're like writers and artists and there's too many they may you. I mean seriously. I mean the i mean the whole left side of the first pages just the credits jab burn. Terry us in danger against castle. Didn't actually leeson. Simpson roger stern. Just yeah bliss goes on and on and the in the art of the artists are just way more names. Our friend run friends like one special. Thanks credits are weird needed. Tricky and think jumping right into it because see lowest and a wedding gown on the first page ono no this is gonna be a prolonged event migraine. Naver you know seven bucks. It should be fabulous while seven bucks. Canadian bad looks sorry canadians. But you know it looks like lowe's as marian drug dealer would that acrimony we feel like you're watching episode of the air over. I i like how they allude to but i can barely believe. I'm getting married yet again. Because she married so many times in the superman book clark. It's kind of name. I love ebay shade. It was elected married. The leg superman clone on so many. It's been at least fifteen. The light only golden age in just getting married on his private plane. That might take up. Here dickey's anyhow. Mike tyson zoo relevant until i know oche takes takes him and the other guy thought little wine bottle pain yet zone. Stead of the lead bullet. I come so that other guy comes out with a knife Remember ray in australia. That's outlive ho fire. What the i love. I assume you're leaving for Naga treacherous woman up with wedding cake. She lives like bookies face. The iraq jets lyneham funke's took took him out with cake. This one was filled cake cau- because it was a couple hundred pounds of heroin. That's why you do couple hundred powerful couple hundred pounds of heroin man. I was getting a straight to your size straight to your heart johnson. Meanwhile clark's in charge because perry white is out getting cancer treatment. Isn't it the story line for the actual show isn't clark like the editor at that. Read that somewhere me. I'm gonna miss the crossover. I i know. It wasn't across because remember brandon. Routh was Yeah well we'll perry might have been one of 'cause age but to member because they did the whole kingdom come thing where the joker at attack killed pretty much. Everybody in the office yet budget looked together budget memo from mr stern it everyone. Cj jason So it looks. It looks so easy with his right hand. Man ben urich. Who's your right hand man. Clark alley kimmy. Should have been. Guinea is jimmy stewart. The view that that they now naringin wcbs. But now i don't know won't and alleys like no one's heard from. Lois hasn't found a story in weeks. Goes matt images a mild mannered. Reporters find her work in the second fired. They will find lows because called shrinking. He can't find her. Because after the blackest night that crossover clerk is powerless at this point. And that's why hasn't played. That's what you do you feel batteries up. You grow your hair out. That's why you can come back from the dead him in dick grayson. That's midlife crisis. After you come back from the dead girl phonies. so yes. he's thinking Couldn't find lois now. if he wanted to. Hoping the power. The press with the one power i could count on and i know at least leave you alone but these last few days and you know they're in her counterpart love how it's a vicious circle. Oleander replace it with a golden one. I was like. I don't know who had issue their marriage that does not sound exactly. Cyprus give mary lowest counterparts on the tv. Show we're getting there because decide. I believe this was close to give. Abc a superhero. Show more to say the ever notice. Yes because this was coming out around the same time as the wedding on the lowest clark. Tv show and the comic book influencing more than Area will. They wanted to ninety two but they had ended up killing them off. Yeah what he's like. Oh wait this to capture mirrors. You'd be in. I agree dr married folks burn. Well obviously it's quite in the newsroom. What happened to the supervillain break in and take over the place bird car lowest in. That's how you make an interests with the that rip dress. That's how you would get married if you to get married like black canary fish. Next xactly the green arrow special. You know the cover. Yes yes yes well. If you don't kid bullet lows were doing here. Oh so you're not happy to see me. yes era. Everyone was listening than they. All rush off. Maybe you look really good. Why don't you use the off. The fish wants to our story when she's the computer. My office no clark. That's peiris office. No i'm only managing editor while perez recovers from his chemotherapy. Pairing is god. Would you've been going for a minute. Homey she's like. Why didn't you tell donald like appeared. Full ranch gotta work on spenders fundus. But she's like what anyone tell me. It's like where we have you been. No one's been able to track you released for weeks. She's like why didn't you tell me. Did you think. I didn't think i couldn't handle it. Trying to protect me and then he says like oh. You're wanna get out town the sort through your feelings perry insistent and not tell you those and trying to protect you in fact as a good chance. I'll never never mind never mind. And then then he breaks a drinking glass as you do accidentally on purpose like you deal. Sure over people's heads every it was their mistake getting in front of me. I'll just put all you're seeing. You missed a lot. Sister alive remember when the sun went out. You don't have by your cells. don't superstore that burn cape emergency rainy days. We'll what did but he. He ran out using his powers. Got pick and choose your battles but people were like you know. The world was freezing over. Henry cavill would chose themselves as band. That superman would have chosen. That's what his dad would've told them out my jonathan kid. You like that movie. But tyler's the esa supposed to stand for hope own the better things in better days at the super bowl so anyway yes. Oh i'm feeling sorry for myself. Let me flip my ponytail moment. Hair back and forth with my hands bagley. Could you imagine have been the most powerful moon like literally in the world and then you lose your powers and they choose to be reporters that you see the rain. Come across your desk every single hour every single day get into the. They may get into that. I'm sure you're trying to get your power back Oh then oh. She sees that ring. She's reaching those racing to as packet. Rude rude package. You don't know what you'll never fall for that again. That's lawn candy puppy. Let's get you in the van. Low that unmarked panel van with us spray painted free puppies on it I love you. Lowest was will. You still love me now. I'm felicia hardy. I league air by the suit the no longer. The man of steel part kit need to spokesman for a biography. I read that part. Hey subtext i get you pay at least this way. They can have real. Al putnam union beach without having to go this way up. Twilight wrote of everything being destroyed. The wake for those seen the movie you know what. I'm talking about google. It so yes. So he proposes again in like all. The everyone in the offices like what happened. She got in a quiet in hear that glass breaking five bucks says lane reached the end. The per exactly like oh what happened. You're stubborn woman lows. Will you marry me. Mooners to the moon lowest literally anymore. Say do it the last thing ever expecting an. they're kissing on that splash. Page liberals working out idaho. And your daddy. Bracco won't to now because clark's lift and he's thinking he's used to take this much effort the move a small mountain things you take for granted of. There's there's is. There's ma making some tea shimon slipped off the chair. She was standing on. Oh that'll states turn to you the copy but there's no good for you anyway. Clarkson's thinking you know before it could have just raised over at super speed and qatar but now without my powers it's like i'm deaf and blind usa living normally buddy. It's off rick though. So at least there's that long at least for now i mean he didn't he didn't get thouron. I don't think it's only been like a week. Or two seasons. he lost. i only think it was a week between movies. Her worth is like oh. I can eat whatever i once again hurt. Bring me the dunkin donuts. Then then jimmy calls cornered on. Lookit apostol as the tuxedo was married in any deal even after although the corn cakes whatnot living on that cornfed kansas night. What is a little snug. Well i guess he's he has. He's been on a diet. Well when you're on the run he had a heart attack to but who who on earth would think that. That's that tux that fit. Jonathan would fit clark. Exactly i mean it ain't made the material is kate's made from holiday the height of the the shoulders. I mean come on it's showtime ratios is very much officer for lord of jimmy. Caucases the wedding photographer. Oh i mean. I know of big tv star now on this when they actually cared about jimmy. That's right totally recommend picking up that national sincere. By the way. I cannot praise that book. Enough i r- along with the lowest book those are really don't throwbacks to the good old days of the superman mythos you know when everybody in the superman fan had like a book was good and things to do yam in jimmy should have been leviathan. I agree with phil's original theory. Has redheads getting our smacked in how you're going to get resent becomes alive like mark. Shaw who yeah known gear and then when leviathan lately or ono he's in the same Same with rhode bar drinking together right now. Middle though comes in and destroyed or poor guardians of the galaxy. This week i was reading endless winner and they mentioned ruggles arms. Like who so. Oh yeah then. Clark tells jim you'll meet them. At the tuck shop later clerks know my best friend. Works mad at me. Because i did. I need a bad piece on his friend lori. Well she deserves Something fishy about that girl. Lowest was anti as we That one oh yeah. Lo said she was swimming with the fishes oh then lows in her mom and sister a look lucy. The honor got about lane in award and then her dad's like don't you wanna rethink this whole marriage. We've been engaged for ages on level. And i would doing i like this. This is the only wedding in in this continuity. An martha kent to take. I guess. Take her shopping for address. So the lanes can get the bridal shower ready to go. Rent your talks He's working around the house. And i love the other for the bridal shower a kinda go too many brides awash sour cream. What does that even mean that boy. That break zone breaks breakfast breakfast. Salad onion soup settlements. Okay gotcha product placement Laos's mama's all horrified in. Its potluck. And i'm just like Why don't we never saw her again. Rate told lucy should add catered of like. Yeah usually putting the money up for what your team. Thank having their pearls man. What's what's the theme of the other shower. Thank heaven. they're finally getting it over with shade and burn all these decades. Look at the batman. Bowtie clark's looking at that yet. The mr mike toxic tuxedos love the way you look. i guarantee. at least it's magic. Mike's family all tuxes half off but yet clarkin. Jonathan her talking about perry someone of battery action. The chemo's on trail make the leading. Don't be umbrian down bro. I us season like green talks. We're not gonna booking like liberace. Are we such r.i.p on here comes. The here comes the father in law for on such a comedian. I know i just want to pledge some people more luck than they deserve. Damn this family boy. The reason we don't talk about the lanes on saying look out. There's laurie talking parking lowest. His mom were. You know you'd know what the exactly what to say. Are you some kind of mind reader. So you know he's evil charlie. Esser theory exactly maggie sawyer and toby. Because it's the before came would not be invented for another what ten years ten eleven year front salad get out by recruits out. The house they got to do the lows consume for her surprise. Shower little hellfire. You have that hat right. Of course it might be black. It's not purple but it is black hat not dog that dog. I don't do little dogs. I was gonna. I was gonna say who will i gotta Jack russell terrier makes are right here a husky. I don't i don't do. Little per shelves is supposed to be is an inside joke on the coups adams supposed to be. I don't know what's going on. Neither as as soon as it's way too early to be paris hilton so that's a war choubey really old by the known or day. That's what i'm saying. It's somebody's wife or girlfriend or something. Crackpot her back tucks place clark as a thirty six ways. Jonathan forty although sam wynne shoulders lays ratio. exactly sam. Says he's a forty two. He's actually a forty-six don't stuck in bird. Oh oh. Somebody was in the korean war. I know 'cause could see him and jonathan and talking about their time. The military sam was written today but we did time in the first iraq war. You never served your country did you. Can't we don't like san. We eat him. Jonathan look that donkey got him a jack ass Glasses to save and he'll think it all right now by way it needs all the discipline learn to superman. Just keep from kicking donkey's tail greater than the lanes. Hashtag fight me. Mussa argue that auto loans all thrilled with her crock pot. She's going be cooking metropolis. The coach the guys are trying to honor green. Sounds like this is what we were now. These are just get the size like a forty six medium my lord all these household roy. Sam is He he needs to go meet the parents on steroids. I'm not a fancy minutes soon. Married had to look like one light at all. I know this is where we look at this household. They got at the bridal shock. That's exactly for smoothie. Free stuff hot chocolate boot processor. Definitely need that ride maker iron a seamer or better yet washing machine. That seems in a seems the wrinkles out you're saying nobody plays when ain't nobody got time for iron saami vacuum cleaner. I see to forget the iron. Just put your clothes in the in the bathroom while you're showering old school. Give it old school. Mother sh Then lois husky to get her hair color scheme. The wedding for the bridal shower was atrocious. Never let lucy why we never seem to say what do you think. Losing his appears in limbo. Shame i'll look at never trust the lady who has more than two cans a hairspray here with hearts on her boots. Oh hell no no. No no my lord outfit. Then we get a summers no shade. Step fast day. The day cannot get back. When tv was the best tgif hell perfect strangers family matters. See what happens when we were. We review reviewing ninety issue. Kids kidding me comes out. We'll gets flashbacks. Good flashbacks the best flashbacks. The last great decade of of our lives. I'll look this dress though. We were three pages of her trying. Different chances i stress. I'm here for it bitch out old that one that one second. Oh that one okay. Yeah one was a no. No that's like something Hardy get married or google but it would be in black zipper. That doesn't work. Yeah the second one absolutely favorite. Avi supposed to be our favorite move though cleavage. Having an excellent excellent boob day that day harry clerk is nice caucus. Pick up the ring once again in script. You'll laser technology the laser. They didn't need the tiffany route. But hey once actually better than tiffany's but tiffany's like you know every girl has a turquoise you inside the diamond to lowest slump be able to do that you know i could have made the ring just only two crashes coal to lois clark and can you add an s shield for hope. Hope it works out nice marriage. You got there so happy. Why do they do this to what you say my flame. Let's just say my fiance has her superman taken on. I don't think you'll get a real kick out of the inscription. I don't know what would that be a sore subject. If he never got his powers back he knew he knew he'd get them back. Intially a look at her when psychosomatic like spiderman for all we know she warns superman hunt burn. We trademark making money off of it in llc sell the charity or something living in tiny apartment your whole life holy with the count on inheriting. That terrible poorly ran farm. Retiring there. sorry you're not very good. At what did he bother with the inscription. Because he's like it's it's it's tiny infecting one hundred power microscope just to see it there inside joke. It's fine. I guess i was wondering what we're going to do to keep from being bored on our honeymoon rugby comfy honey seriously. He's got he's got time to make up for his pisa d. Power the apartment why. They didn't move in lows now. Moya we'll they're looking at. Yeah then then she was looking at one place that dr is the best ridiculous a perfectly fine apartment in. It didn't hurt absurd. what's it. They wanted a bigger one africans and the gautam fireplace. Yes chance fall fireplace apartment. Look at the address. Nineteen thirty eight. Get inch you're gonna get to your credulity miss lane. With any luck you be all settled in time to throw a millennium party. Sh okay kramer and newman new mania match. We do this is a prime location so we do something of a waiting list. Shy put you at the bottom. Like whatever fairly renew the owner. Somebody bruce wayne spoiler not really right then lewis and more could have lunch somebody break got the estimates but he's talking about for finally decided to be together even you know he was always worried about being killed and well especially these days sh I know i can be who i am and can post whatever we want to be. Look at it as long as we're together. And then she s can the marriage license and runs in the magazine complain about the apartment. And she's like i know place it's empty insurgency which leads us into a flashback because this is the only time. We're gonna see super powered superman this. I've gotta give the kids what they want. Last night it's kind of weird yak. It's like this. The only time will sees a power with art by curt swan. Sh the eighth of clubs. Ot's nascar he to save professor hamilton. A bill from the fire. Oh no that's right. Because i told him not to do. There's kryptonite inside sh- suppose owned by your number one invasion flavor. So yes superman trying to wait for. The firefighters do their job. Because there's krypton supposedly kryptonite but finally. He's like i can't wait he goes in and it's like Someone stole the kryptonite. Worry about that later. But yes superman once. Everyone's out superman smothers the flames. You basically sucks it all up. Sh sucks the air out of the building. Great soldier boy auto show was. I mean magnusson lows this whole story. Oche take acts. They apartments above the ace of clubs. Yeah i'm sure lows is gonna wanna live. There are still damage from the fire. She's all as the thought that count you down. I can't help thinking that makes me want to laugh. Department us all even more smells like the local high school held. Its homecoming bonfire. Look it's get it yet and he should have got more but that's neither here nor there Hold up and he's like gets in the caution. Even towers scare moth. Superman pull the old batman superman superman. Back rock julia. They should they should have did it on march to the fifty show and just like how the guy third gun at him or something but the guys does spook the guy. Because he's like okay. Here's the cash trade. The loot for my freedom clarkson buffalo how it works a runs after him but then the guy runs in the maxima though her green put them down. I've been she has been looking for you to superman. I've decided to give you another chance to become my life mate. Oh how coincidental with you at my side. We're here to restore the glory booth or bloodlines. And he's a lot of breath and after the guy's got a breath but no the surface of your for myself to a huge. Oh my lord this. All this is low monologue. i offered myself to human creature. No more worthy than any other retro on this backward planet how humiliating are basically girl. Single humiliating clark's thinking out was released. She's out of my hair for now. Finally being without power is actually some good see now see low health. Were not doing this because you know hot head throws himself at you. Yeah true to you me there. I love how like the top half is like armored. But she's wearing a thong on the over ear odenyemi. Yes clunky like a skirt or easy. The access put are no. Meanwhile the old people get together. Oh yes the kenton. The lanes ladies did the kitchen for coco no coffee. This is a family book. Say they the coffee pot earlier to. There's a thing and i love. Thanks for getting me to quit. Smoking books still got lung cancer. Who me it's the whites now tells jonathan. Thanks for convinced me to give up smoking. But you've got lung cancer. Yeah but got a chance to beat it. If i haven't stopped i'd be gone now. Just being afraid up in beating tape. I'm the dorothy. Let's be real at the teen. Titans go look lucas. Enter the day. Go man you go be ortho. There's hope baker we off. There's hope for the kid aloni. Seventy s probably flood with jennifer aniston. Something if he's not a fan of monica phoebe either a baby. Or your mind auto. I think he's i asked which one was his favorite. He's of said phoebe so the secret sauce of friends you see. Why did you end up with any of the other friends. And i just don't watch it which you know. I don't appreciate The other guy she won't she should've dealt with michael rapaport from to stand. Luckily no nut jobs to be the patriot on conversation. Say they're your kids. Are friends podcast. Perr you're feeling for clark's bachelor party tonight kidding. Nothing but old people back edit stag parties superman couldn't keep me away wowed horses per wild horse close at the ace of clubs yes all. He's got a superman shirt. Were they shoot so mad because they can't come in she goes. Writer emblem wayman flaming skulls navy on betas lineup. Definitely goes oh. I was going to say this lineup. They probably in everything. The egli I just love Me and the boys play pool here friday night so yeah the bikers all mad which is kinda stupid. Has like all these guys in here. I think the isn't the chief of police here. And although the police commissioner. Not jane's though cheap henderson sh get outta here scrammed. Thursday through the window scrammed. Look at my pound. Jimmy lynch crashed his motorcycle over a classy core. Cousin showed up yet. But jonathan shows up yet in the banker right. Oh the bikers ride ride to the window and stuff so big so big bar. Fight breaks out. He gave the kid headlights. That's fine double the old guys just sitting at a table. everyone else is just fine. Aren't you can do something about this. Brawl commissioner what bro. I don't see any real Selective vision gorge is parties causing a friendship. Devo knee is what this little thing. Jimbo meet nago through this every friday night. Wow the guy's name is meat. I love how like what an even evening. there's no way the latest capacities after the in. Honey you've never been to a bachelorette party never wanna know what goes down at. A bachelorette party is opening her laundry. Wait is this ladies night out. We are never forgive. Never forget we are superman. That laundry was john. Byrne probably then. Of course you have. To have maggie's worth saying men. I just don't understand them at all. Okay thanks for that exactly than this guy comes over and hits on lowest at her. Brian looks like you need a real to go along with that. As a in the net sack lewis one you can take home for the whole night. Yeah yeah ten minutes. Has she tells them. Only if you come with me baby baby cakes come with you get up. I and she trips him his face. 'cause right in the kink haven't i now have a nice stretchy in exile. Now make a now make like a tree. What wasn't forget now. Make like a tree and get out of here next to wonder woman. You handle yourself better than any woman alive. Would like to have a word with exactly and then. She's wondering clark's having as much fun as she is as we see still running the twenty four blocks his bachelor party he and who does he run to in a back alley. It's not naga from from the beginning of the issue. Get it bourbon. We did the dog kid for man because he's just like Lows told me all about this guy uh creek. There's three of them and they're probably armed or call the police and hope they don't escape for the here or do i handle this myself. You know some self defense lawyer comes. A tragedy comes in cape wrapped around the guy's head without the case caper on places head. And then he picks up a trash. Can lynn ten guys with it. Make it. he's like. I hope i can love them. Meanwhile it's like you're using the trash can lead Dive in behind the trash can when they start shooting at you. I think they know you don't power is more than advertise and the berry because the places about hit him over the head with a big chunk of concrete or something. Yeah all that's right. You live your life without superpowers clark. Who always has the polls fat in the fire man. Mice big splash page as you do. His accidents routes doubt so yes so batman helps in pontiac than the police come and take them away. Give the planet a cone. Ask for low lane. I'm sure can give you plenty of third on these guys will use. Is batman here hiding in the shadows. Shall we talk up do batman. You're much of clinton come on this photo app. Doing he's like like you. Change your mind about marriage. I have truth is in. There have been sure of any decision in my life. More have been happier. I know that feeling that. Billy is not what foreign to you. Saves you clark's out. Being petty. i know he dated lois. You know read so it took me a lot for me to realize. There's no doubt that. Lows and i belong together. We're better team than we are individuals but she let hebrew gone. Bruce don't be don't be afraid. I know the bachelor party brown old. Be that mates can heal the stress lifelike. Mind can put you through pamela. I've noticed might want to have a word with you. Oh are my debt has increased Without each other we were both miserable. We want to be married. I've ever called vince. Lowest can handle whatever comes our way. Oh yeah they're just coincidentally they are on rooftop right next. The lowest getting guy thrown out picked the wrong woman annoy time. Lows can relate. I can i guess. They thought they had something. You wanted lowest. What i want is panting is required it at almost cry every single time. Almost gloria steinem. Talk me after married. i'll. I'll let that comment go batman. Congratulations i think you'd lows will make the world's finest team take that bruce. Bruce says it. I know self deprecating humor in clark i wish to worry about getting my powers back thinking. Hey bruce. can you help me strange. When i first proposed to lois i lost my powers then two psychos. The baby remember my next year seems history. As way repeating itself batman enjoy. Enjoy your honeymoon. Arrangements up made the protect metropolis arrangements. What kind of arrangements. Justice a double splash page. I think that's wrong. That's not my favorite outfit for someone but will let that go. They they had to throw in seal. It's fine it's a superman book. Are you talking to green bay talking green arrow connor. I know i. I don't go let it go but you have to say that name feel better. You'll see it but that was so sweet right. Got harder go when he wants let employees. That's every single orphaned in gotham relaxed. They don't know anything about your upcoming absence. They've improved that you'll be gone on a secret mission secret michigan. Oh one more thing. Fiance was apartment hunting the other day and found a place. She loved other people ranches as well. But you two were accepted as the new tenants. Congratulations how'd you now. The building is owned by bruce wayne. Who's not above doing a favor for a friend at me but okay this. Keep an eye on them that we have a place bugs. Lucky man you get that x ray vision more checking the walls for cameras. Br clark especially lewis a shower. You better watch this stuff. Before trashes your ingredient invite to a bachelor party kaz clark finally gets there and changes clothes because the fights over and jamie's asking why didn't you let me photograph the wedding. I mean i would have did a great job clark. I know you could handle it. No one can you jimmy. You know you can't handle that. No it can be a decent photographer and best man. You want me to be best man. Yeah bruce's busy. of course i'll do. Wow why so surprised jimmy. You're the best power guy could want. I'm a golden age job. I know okay. Lee meal loan then we get the wedding rehearsal dinner. The worst part of the wedding procession on different parts of the wedding rehearsal dinner. Don't get faster. I've never not not be a disaster. Just an excuse to get together and it's just it's just like okay. Here's what you're going to do tomorrow f. it up Do you. that's way too much shrimp. I specified no seafood on the bump day for reason lori is allergic now. She's up spending. Oh i get it fucking twenty god. His mouth is full today. Oh he's going to need a second. I'm not allergic. Oh well now a look. Jimmy was like bought the takeout shrimp and then the guy's like oh just take them away among allergic award eloy forgives him perceptive but strange when she looks at me i feel like she could see right into my mind. The best villain people getting aaron sees perry now yup perry and his wife alice and they're not that son he's telling his story in so cute stoke you jonah. Jameson could never talk. Jonathan much-maligned there was twenty thousand feet up in the air no parachute but luckily i was wearing. My light falls suit. Jonathan is where that joke is sold with. Jimmy olsen had run into you or you'll right. Yeah he didn't know chemo. Either see what kind of friends. Lows jin chemo. Under wraps and clark is a good print. Keeps you business. Underwent chemo for cancer. But the talker same approving. I didn't know there was no news. News health is hardly. News was twenty twenty third. You'd be rolling over map. I just wanna feel well enough to attend this wedding friend. Lamar jackson see people. We know black people see see. Get on the. Oh then who's zia. Oh lawn and peak if they were married at this point introducing them out introducing. The chief of police isn't it. How bad is it like to that high school friends. They get married the girl that you were kind. Kinda weird john weird. What happened was at ginger now. She's she's a blonde very one and she might find. It is easier to be on dot instead of maintaining the red plus. Jimmy was there so you know like a holding too many gingy on blaze. Bad locker invoke. The spirit of hope are probably alert than samling gets a horrid clerk. Somebody get fed. Drink away from him. Hope you know how. Like your can't special after what you've treated my little girl and less rather you marry lucy. 'cause i don't care about her studies you decided you finally wanna mayor woman such a prize. the ponies out obviously seabrook often case subject award lucy saying he's all bent on shape because he was will let them give her away at the wedding daddy's number that never happy unless he has somebody something to complain about me. Now burn then. Ron wonder what he'll do wonder how he'd react to things. realizes younger daughters dating a black man. Ooh the archie bunker. She's on a racist bone in his body. He's very consistent. He's aided hated. All of his daughters bows uh-huh sure he is racist. Heeds black guys and crip. Tony's the mom razor role. But i want to go out and work because not because of houston winning and let me give her away. She's like would you give a sunway all again. He calls them data. Don't bother sam already knew the answer. Listen dad going out here though. See here try your best to make me into the sun. You really wanted a good job. I'm just as stubborn independent as you. Levy dad okay. Clark and i aren't taking any money from you for this wedding in amman. About the given away. I'm walking on the opposite side. The airing hope you can accept that if you can't too bad i hope hope you can accept that and if not ceiling a funky real even the wife's like no we're not it's their wedding. They can run else about damn time. It only took thirty. Five years has backup. Yeah so he runs out laden. Take your money so what you do so seriously sorry. Excuse me sir wants to be a full burn. That's his problem you have. We never saw mris lane again. Oh my lord and the riot girls. Were playing the reception as you do. Is you know lucy. Higher though because lucy's lucy. Oh my god and jimmy so wanted to photograph this wedding. He still get like video outside. Like maybe just a few quick snapshots because pinky manuals a camera. L- elect like man. I had her personally. Jimmy olsen dc comics king of the celtics but actually people claimed award winning photojournalist unlike p where he works rag. Let's be honest. it'd be iraq. Been a book book. But he's a best selling author tour. Of course we get out one page of lax being penny. Oh i wonder who drew this because they made short. Show the red eye the ginger. I did that whole nor on deal. You know so now. He's xactly his bodyguard. Gotta another deal with the devil. I'll listen if she marries superman omega allen. Why who is that was tuned for next month. Kids we everybody. Oh course Because oh jimmy comes in and talks starts talking to clark about losing his powers. What but now it's mixed pillar clark secret still safe from olson Like are you the one responsible for me. Losing my powers for the modern. No i don't know what's wrong with powers clark boys. Oh back-offs he slams nowell imagine. Beat up by this gags imagine whereas powers means basically at his mercy. Right now so disgruntled. I'm sure you'll solve the problem eventually persons. I figured out your secret up and keeping an eye on you. don't be cute. He helping looking gaunt face. Which your you always have one big piggly. You get so cynical you can't. You can begin to perceive method dimensional board but of course as the dow changes we get another look for him. What's ambush buggy. What's a matter. Toss stink bomb in your wedding party. Even i would. That mean though. That idea isn't tree About the what. I wanted the last time i. Oh yeah he was trying to get lows and clark together. I couldn't be happier. I'll look at him. Blow a smoke. S s symbols remnant. Just think the look Olsen davor while he's dated. Everybody he gets you all the sisters and cousins. It's fine cause middle pops out after saying after the honeyman i'll be watching me me in that wayne guy rock and me watching lacks finally get to the wedding. Mohsen clark walked down the altogether. Oh and hey. While won't powerless. Let's cut my hair for the wedding. Garrett that police The polio exactly. Come on it's ninety s. It's the end. The nine nineteen ninety six already. Ponytails out you get another ten years for the man but becomes thing so yeah basically. I mean this thing ends with the wedding. Watch the gate fold ready. Is you'll ever be those whom god has joined together. Let no one put asunder looking at. You denied a new fifty two in margaret. We have with asto in bc. We have Get an ad on difference. Bite me then you get the ad on the back for the honeymoon issues aerial heo and then it's like a new life for clark was. This is the end of superman month after it gets him killed real. This ain't going to be much saying that honeymoons going to rejuvenate him. Saying it's the juices in if you know what i'm trying. Yeah i know exactly what you're saying so rob house. Mary way we'll find out more royal anyway. So yeah what did you think. Love how far. It was an epic epic oversize journey. I was here for a loved every except for saying you had to make him so abrasive. You need some kind of obstacle. Since he does have a happy day. it's comics. I know plenty of wedding with perfectly fine. I mean outside of the rehearsal. Actual wedding was perfectly skew guest stars. I'm kind of glad that there weren't like modern comics. Could never this will be a spiderman all day every day it was. Now this'll be a series of mini series and again. I understand like they wanted to get all all these artists in that narrow but like just the shifting arts now some pounds off just like kind of took me on a little bit the expected now the bigger books that we've done like you know action one thousand one solid continuous story. I don't like the little mini stories because like okay. They're getting married. Started off with action to that was pretty cool exactly and and it's not even like any of the styles were bad. It was just like the differing arts. But everybody's Such a momentous is joyous occasion. That i won't felt the for that because everybody got invited back in. Everybody probably wanted in on it. It's always fun to have you know the big lake. Congress of writers for any character new and old come together like get to work together and see what they come up with a specially for the winning thing again for me because it's just been so many great writers that have come through and really put their mark like really like excellent additions to the mythos or just even just the site resulting like brandon. That just feels man. Modern comics could never. They just couldn't ego now. Like you know what i mean. They go like pride of a job. Done leaving a positive legacy behind. Not just doing something for the sake of doing it. I think real art has been lost in modern comics. Unfortunately yes zorkin's like respect the lower respect. What's come before you a lot of people just poop on now. I don't like it. call me old. Hold her so. Is this a plus but definitely. Yeah definitely agreed. Family thing i get. We need to come conflict but we you know too much aren't so tell kitties what's coming next. 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I believe this might be the same month also The hundredth episode of comic capers are also going to get the one hundred fiftieth episode of the quantum zone. They out that long young keep going. What about our quasar podcasts. The guam zone one a. Bonar quasar stretched it out. Ok time for retaliation. I mean all right. So let's get everything increase. Just because quasar showed up one panel come on. Hey rain courreges anyway. Yes let's get outta here alright. Everyone so yes. Send your thoughts like you said zero hours coming in january one eight so send your thoughts on all. Those are an overrun. We are the night redoing. The death in the family yet. So e mail us capes in lunatics at jimoh dot com with your thoughts or call the voicemail one four three eight two two seven three seven. That's six one four thirty a. Capes each user probably preface that with the original data family by the way what they redid death in the family. 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Google Unveils Pixel Slate
"Addition, digital sponsored by h New York's ultimate camera authority. Google is taking on Apple's ipad pro and Microsoft surface with its new tablet called the pixel slate is designed to be as versatile as you are with a desktop operating system, a full keyboard and track pad, a brilliant display and the mobility and apps support of a tablet. Google's Trond Wilner says the pixel slate uses the chrome operating system and features a twelve point, three inch, high resolution HD display. There's also a wide angle selfie Cam and two front facing speakers. The pixel slate sells for six hundred dollars. The optional keyboard will cost you another two hundred. They go on sale later this year dish in digital. I'm Palmer Nain and for more go to WCBS eight eighty dot com. And click on the audio section.
Facebook Will Pay You To Spy On You
"Condition. Digital brought to you by being h New York's ultimate cameras superstore Facebook will pay to spy on you the social media giant has unveiled a new app called study. It's a market research apt that will let Facebook track the apps you download on your Android smartphone. How often you use them? What features you use? Facebook says the study app will not collect user, ID's passwords or content. Like photos, videos or messages. Facebook also says they won't use the information they learned to target you with ads or sell the data to third parties. But Facebook isn't saying how much they'll pay in a blog post? The company only says that all participants are compensated. You'll also have to be invited in an ad to participate and you must be eighteen or older dish in digital. I'm Palmer, Dane. There's more at WCBS eight eighty dot com slash dish. Digital.
Google And Amazon Settle Nearly 2-year Feud
"I'm Palmer Dane with dish in digital sponsored by b and h New York's ultimate camera authority, Google and Amazon or ending their nearly two years spat that left consumers caught in the crossfire back in twenty seventeen Google pulled its popular YouTube video app from Amazon's fire TV after the online shopping giant refused to sell some Google products. Amazon has since started to sell Google gadgets on its site. Amazon says YouTube will appear on Amazon fire TV devices and smart TV's in the months ahead. Other YouTube apps, such as YouTube kids in YouTube TV will be added to fire TV devices later this year under the new truce Amazon. Prime video streaming app will be added to Google streaming devices and TV's that use the Android operating system. Dishing digital I'm Paul Nain. And there's more a WCBS eight eighty dot com slash dish in digital.
Review: Anker PowerWave Fast Wireless Charger Stand
"Addition digital sponsored by being h New York's ultimate camera authority charge. Your phone wirelessly. David Pogue is a columnist for New York magazine's the strategist and he likes anchors. Powerwave fast wireless charger stand which he says is a big improvement from the first generation flat charging pads. It's an angled stand which makes so much difference to me first of all if you have on your bedside table, you just check the phone onto this, and you can still see it. You know, if it lights up the texts coming in. You can see what it is. There's another vacation you just tap the screen if you wanna see what time it is. You could put the phone down, either vertically or horizontally. So it's a stand when you're watching video or something, and it's charging simultaneously. He says you can charge an empty phone at about three hours recent iphones. Galaxy and Google pixel phones all work with wireless charging you can find the anchor powerwave wireless charger stand for under thirty dollars dish in digital. I'm Palmer mundane. And there's more a WCBS eight eighty dot com slash dish in digital. Yeah.
Facebook Is Updating What You See In News Feed
"Dish and digital sponsored by h New York's ultimate camera authority. Facebook is making some changes to what you see in your news feed, one involves your friends? Facebook says it's prioritizing, the friends someone might want to hear from the most previously Facebook would stack your news feed based on your interactions with someone such as likes and how many mutual friends you have. But now Facebook is adding other criteria. It's using surveys to ask people to list, the friends, their closest to Facebook says it then looks at the patterns that emerge like being tagged in the same photos, infrequently reacting in commenting on the same posts. Facebook says all the information is put into an algorithm to help them predicts which friends, you want to hear from the most. So they'll appear higher up in your news feed. And if you follow a particular page like from a celebrity news organization or your local government. You'll also be seeing more content you're likely to find more valuable dish digital. I'm Palmer, Dane. And there's more a WCBS eight eighty dot com slash dishing. Digital.
Verizon Unveils New Robocall Blocking Feature
"Addition digital sponsored by h New York's ultimate camera authority. Verizon wireless customers have a new weapon to fight robo calls. The nation's largest carrier has launched a free spam blocking service for Android an IS phones. When activated you'll be able to automatically block robocalls as well. As get alerts when a call is probably spam customers will also be able to report unsolicited numbers for an extra three dollars a month. You can upgrade to the premium version of Verizon's call filter and with that you get more control over your calls, including the ability to create your own personal block list. Mobile carriers are under the gun to do more to thwart robocalls. The FCC's chief is warning action could be taken if progress isn't made the robo call blocking app. Haya says Americans were annoyed to the tune of twenty six billion robo calls last year. And that's a forty four percent jump from the year before dishing digital. I'm Palmer Dane, and there's more WCBS eight eighty dot com slash dish in digital.
Google Unveils Budget Smartphone
"Dish in digital sponsored by h New York's ultimate camera authority, Google is targeting the more budget oriented consumer with its new pixel three ace smartphone. Tim baharan is a tech analyst with creative strategies. This is a high end phone at three ninety nine since one of the first really high quality phones, that are broken that five hundred dollar price barrier. And I think that, that could be a game changer in the disruptor to all of the companies who make high end phones, and while it's half the cost of Google's flagship, pixel three you're not sacrificing much in fact, Tom's guide rates the pixel three as superior giving the phone high marks for its camera. Solid build an excellent battery life. It does lose if you points for not being waterproof, and not having wireless charging seen. It also likes the pixel three giving it four out of five stars dish in digital. I'm Paul Dane. There's more a WCBS eighty dot com slash dish in digital.
The Smart Diaper Has Arrived
"Addition digital sponsored by h New York's ultimate camera authority. There's the smartphone smart speaker and the smart home. And now the smart diaper forget about the time honored sniff test. There's now a new high tech way to pamper your baby. When it comes to diaper changing. It's called the Monnet diaper sensor and founder dough young parks as you attach the small round sensor to your baby's diaper to get alerts the PM who as give as the notification to the by. So they can understand it went in the Bentham finding changing diapers. It also monitors flatulence the sensor can also track p in poo patterns, diaper consumption and sleeping patterns. The company is teaming up with Kimberly. Clark to bring it to Huggies diapers in April Sniffen digital. I'm Palmer inane. And there's more a WCBS eight eighty dot com slash dish in digital.
Apple Unveils Speedier iOS 13
"Dish in digital. Besides getting divide tunes. Apple had several other big announcements at its recent worldwide, developers conference seen at news executive editor Roger Chang, says, get ready for IOS thirteen running faster, apple download faster will load up faster stalking Appleby at the time as it was before. So they're really kind of tweaks to make Islas thirteen a lot more powerful more productive and faster. Another new Iowa's feature bringing dark mode to what's dark mo- rather, the white background. You've gotta starts background with white text. It's not quite as bothersome when you're using your phone, and I always thirteen due out this fall will also be getting a more natural sounding Siri voice assistant dish in digital high Palmer Nain. There's more a WCBS eight eighty dot com slash dish. In digital.
Protect Your Phone With RhinoShield CrashGuard
"I'm Paul Dane with dish in digital sponsored by bien, h New York's ultimate camera authority, a low cost way to prevent costly cracked screen repairs. David Pogue columnist for New York magazine's the strategist is a big fan of the Rhino Shield crash card. It's a twenty five dollar bumper. It's just hugs the edges of the phone. It doesn't cover up the front or the back. And yet, you cannot just drop this thing onto concrete. You can throw it onto concrete with all your might. And you will not crack that glass. So how's it work? They've come up with a really great plastic that absorbs impact, but the plastic has the sort of honeycomb structure inside that distribute shock Rhino Shield says the crash guard can withstand a drop of at least eleven feet dish in digital. I'm Palmer dean. There's more a WCBS eight eighty dot com slash dish in digital.