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Wayne Gretzky Interview

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Wayne Gretzky Interview

"From Utah and partnership with tsn. Happy New Year everyone and welcome to our first episode. Two Thousand Twenty. It is episode fourteen of the Ray and rigs hockey podcast. Darren Gregor along with Rape Ferraro. Rare you well rested I I mean. I'm I'm watching on twitter this week. You're back from the Czech Republic. You're back in the NHL Grind. But YOU'RE GETTING UP TO FORTY FIVE. Am Pacific. I mean clearly clearly. You're traveling your body clock aren't meshing right now. No happy New Year Drake's to you and to all our listeners. Hope everybody's got the nice start out to the new year. I am not even close to being on time. So yesterday. Today is. I believe Thursday. So yeah it was. Wednesday is up to forty five. What do you do it to forty five in the morning? I'm better be sleeping on the day. I do a lot of things at two forty five. Imagine but you weren't you haven't gone to bed yet. No no so. I did a couple of loads of laundry my expenses and book my travel for into the end of March so I was very productive at six o'clock. My head hit my desk like a stone and slipped till eight when the kids got up. And we're ready for school so I'm limping along but no I'm I'm getting there. I'm getting well look. We had Cami on the podcast not that long ago and she described meticulous and sensitive. You are to the cleanliness of your environment and I've witnessed this firsthand traveling with you and obviously sees on a day to day basis in your home but let's back up here a little bit. I share in your appreciation and O'Kane of doing laundry because to me. Laundry is like a fake chore. It seems like you're accomplishing a lot. With very little effort you throw the clothes in there now. You don't even have to worry so much about whites and darks and all that just because all of that and then you let them dry but I I where grow weary of doing laundry is the folding part of things and and you know if one sock doesn't match on pissed off like who would do that. Put both socks in the hamper. And let's get let's get going with okay so I don't mind the folding I I like it to me. It's like it is fake work. It's not like it's hard No. I'm not washing the clothes like my grandmother used to do like. I just pitched him in a machine and I throw them into the other one. The the socks thing he drags you are. You're a few steps in front of me. Okay I've got a thirteen and a ten year old. The chances that those socks all get into the dirty clothes is about zero percent. My favorite is when they clump them up in a ball and throw them in so they all I either. So that's my that bugs me and could anybody throw a shirt in? That's not inside out now that that's not happening so anyways. I like the. I like knocking off all the laundry. I like it clean but I just I go into back. I turn the music on like we're the laundry is and music and folk laundry. Not that's there you go so so looking at value in episode fourteen. We're we're now presenting laundry tips on the podcast. Do not separate anything. It's a waste of time and goes in together. Do not dry your wife's jeans and then she's really sour at you. Because what are you doing all? That's bad news. I get strict instructions when it comes to my wife or my daughter's clothing. Don't dry this or better yet. If you're drying for an hour stopping at thirty and make sure that you hanging so that. I'm going to do that all right. I'm telling you when I push starting the next time I go back. There is what I hear the thing. Go off all right. Talk about kicking off two thousand twenty with a mega guest. Wayne Gretzky the great one is going to join. Us later in episode fourteen. I this guy need as me for a lottery isn't a hockey aside. But he pops up and curious places and he does a ton of travel and it's not all hockey related travel specific to the oilers obviously is son-in-law Dustin Johnson kind of a big deal on the PGA tour. So you'll participate in that. But he's kind enough. Ray Takes fifteen twenty minutes to join us later in the PODCAST NOT GONNA lie. Get Nine on. The podcast is twelve better efforts. I would say I would say I would say so. It is it is amazing to me. How certain athletes and certain sports transcend time because there? There's a period of time when an athlete retires. Now they're still really relevant because everybody remembers them but now you're you get a generation or two away from their playing days. Gretz retired in right around two thousand right. Nineteen Ninety nine nine now. So it's twenty years so anybody. That is twenty five years or twenty eight years old or younger. They have no real recollection other than highlights our old gout. That's on of the brilliance. That Gretz had we talked yet. They know him and then we could talk about this later. But I I. I know you on on twitter earlier. We're of course all in all of the congregated goal in Toronto on on Monday. And we'll talk about that later in the show as well coming up as part of our top five items as a matter of fact but then someone tweeted something about video of Mariel Bugle and it must've been obviously back in the nineties eighties whenever it was but he was getting hooked and hacked and everything from his defensive line pretty much through threes homes and he's still scores a goal of. What would amuse me about? That was all of the backlash that we see. And we hear about almost on a game by game basis for those who are connor mcdavid fans and I think we all are obviously about how he's you know obstructed on a shift by shift basis that it's not even close. Who's watched that video if you haven't seen it Ivory tweeted it. You could find it my twitter account. Just watch it and please note at no time. Did an officials hand to go in the air so I tweeted out. There were six hooks on this play and Andre Kole. Petar answered decide. You missed to hold as well. It was it was A. It's an amazing piece of video. Know what I do remember dregs about that about that time when Mario complained about all the hooking and holding he actually was criticized. Pretty roundly furthering complainer. Now you look at it and you go well. No wonder at the time. We didn't even notice. That was just the way the game was but he was like. This is ridiculous and he was more than right. And it's proven to be right because the game has changed so much that the video is fantastic by two referees. Imagine the number of goals. Mario would've scored Wayne. Gretzky finished his career with eight hundred. Ninety four I mean if the game were called the same way you would have scored six hundred goals. Gretzky widow scored over a thousand. I mean and Mary Likewise Mary would have been literally unstoppable on the six foot or yeah with that ability. Just think of him. Eric Lindros in today's game. How were you gonNA stop them? Cau- Mario's at a different level but Lindros injuries aside. Who is going to stop him? You wouldn't you just. You just couldn't know all right. We've got plenty coming up on the podcasts or throat punch candidates or warmed up teed up ready to fly. We'll take you into the segment ask Ray and dregs. And we'll also announce her first half winner of the rate and Greg's hockey fantasy pool. Now you're just back from the Czech Republic. Tell me if I'm wrong here. The gold medal game between Canada and Russia has to be has to be up there among a highlight game. That you've called to this point of your broadcast career. I would say in the top few that I've done to them. Gold Medal Games. One of them was the other day when Canada down three one in the third period came back to to win against Russia. The other would have been twenty fifteen Canada Russia gold medal game. Was this six five wild crazy thing in Toronto unbelievable and what I what really connected me to that game dregs was. I was between the benches for this last one. I was up top like you could see these kids just like emotional swings in the game. It was just amazing. This tournament gets better and better More and more people watched we had over four million people watch on tsn and rds. And that's a game from Europe. That was eleven o'clock in the morning back here in Canada On against some pretty heavy traffic on. Nfl playoff weekend and things. But the game just seems to draw more and more people in I can't remember a better final in Europe that that we've gotten to call. It was amazing. I want your thought on travel experience coming back because that that always amuses me and our podcast listeners. But I'm feeling a little testy but feisty today so maybe we'll we'll leave the European experience with this. I I give him noise when media or fans start the tournament. And you can you. It's like clockwork every year. Where they're like Oh. Dsm puts too much pressure on these young boys. You know this is all about TV. This is all about ratings. I mean these kids would give anything to make this team and to have the opportunity to win a gold medal for their country. Of course there's pressure but isn't there pressure on an eighteen. Nineteen twenty year old Blair in playing in in the Memorial Cup or in the playoffs or any big game in college junior etcetera. I mean do you get is annoyed by The the negativity that comes prior to this. Turn on the so-called pressure resided. Of course I do. I mean now that I. I've done the tournament nine times. I'm certainly more sensitive to it. More sensitive to the criticism that as you say is like clockwork when the tournament starts funny. Part is most of the people that are bitching about the tournament. They're watching it so if it so offensive to them. Don't watch now. The tournament is fantastic. It these kids play their hearts out. They get a chance to to wear their country's flag on their chest and for many of them a good many of them. These are the biggest most important games that they will ever in their lives. I remember a goalie. Dennis God la the first place for Slovakia at the time he's now playing professionally in Europe but at the tournament in Toronto at Twenty fifteen and Slovaks made it to the semi finals. They were chanting his name in the building. Eighteen thousand people chanting his name. Where is he ever going to get a greater moment than that? Was there pressure to it. Yup You bet there was and that's just the way it is the tournament itself Yes. Tsn has helped make it what it is. They've broadcast for thirty years but if this tournament was going on in the middle of the woods while would anybody care what anybody watch? Would there be anything to it. No of course not. This was an opportunity to connect to something that most of us feel when we watch our kids play our kids watch it on TV. Our Kids WanNa be these younger kids that we see Keel Akil Thomas with the winning goal or Barrett hate and plank through a shoulder injury or you know the brilliance of Alexi last frontier. They WANNA be these kids. What's I don't even can't even build a case for what would be wrong with that. No absolutely nothing all right well. We'll we'll exit the Czech Republic With this cute you had some issues getting to the Czech Republic. Well I know I mean you you eventually got. There has to fly along the way. I mean that stuff happens. Coming home was it. Flawless was again like clockwork smooth. Is June on broken glass? It was it was just fantastic. I I'm not sure if it's because I missed the flight on the way over. But somehow all my seating got thrown into the blender so we get to the gate to the check in counter and in Frankfurt Germany. And so I go check in get by Seating Passes Forty D. and twenty eight e. Neither of those are seats. That I'm particularly interested in also in there are no pods in the fortieth row. They're they're smaller pods. You Sit Upright frozen road and so I do fly one hundred and fifty thousand miles a year and I am kind of like a million and a half miles you also you kind of get moved to a more comfortable seat. There were no more comfortable seats. I'm not sure what happened so I'm at the gate. I'm checking in and the there's a connection that Mrs somewhere else so a seat in thirteen thirteen opens up man. I'm all over that like you can't believe so the the woman at the gate. She's really helpful and she says okay. This is your seat. There's still a chance you could get upgraded to business so now I'm like man. I perked up like this is going to be great. Yeah so I'm just waiting around the gate inch. I hear her say into her cellphone. Vonda bar and I'm like and then she hangs up and she turns to me and I'm like this is unbelievable like I just came from Forty D. and I'm going to end up in a pod and she goes good news and I said Oh. I just want like that not for you. The other passenger made so far not doing the bar for me so I ended up enrolled thirteen which was a hell of a lot better than forty. That's awesome and then if Gore had been on his game now if I were there there would be pictorial. Evidence of this would on another to light to Gordon other flight. Which was so. Gordon went Toronto going West but I will say this I will give Gord props. He put together this trip that that we went to Berlin to watch landon play. Yeah he put together a couple of other things that I would have never figured out. The trip turned out to be fantastic. We were we had a great time and come back and I'm jumping back in. My first game is Sunday afternoon in Winnipeg and the jets. The jets had an unbelievable Yup game last night against Toronto looking forward to getting back into it all full. Nhl SWING AND WE'RE GONNA kick over into the top five topics that we wanted to discuss this week but before we do that. We've gotTA pay some bills. I WANNA thank our great sponsors for making a podcast possible going to start with. Novus dot com great luxury outerwear that both and I enjoy and a number of our guests as well Andy Dot CA. You can use code ray fifty for fifty dollars off your matters. Sure how thoughts thank you. You can call them at one. Eight four four two three five sure and watch dot CA. Thank you for the great guests gifts and LAGARTO DOT COM use. The code rate tend to Get an unbelievable discount there as well. If you're interested in jumping on board and supporting the rain dregs hockey podcast go to rand. Dregs DOT com. There's a link there for more information on sponsoring the PODCAST Ray. What about the Tampa Bay? Lightning holy smokes. I mean before you left. I think in fairness many of us in the media were wondering with all the coaching changes and whatnot. You know with John Cooper survive and if the Tampa Bay. Lightning didn't respond in some fashion in the second half. What would you embrace bond do now? At the at the time of this recording here on Thursday the Tampa Bay lightning of one eight straight and their second in their division points percentage. I mean that's a fairly remarkable turnaround in relatively short period of time. It's amazing what eight games does for you and I think we're all kind of sitting around waiting for Tampa Bay to catch fire. They they got kicked in pants pretty hard last year when Columbus just shove them out of the playoffs not just that they beat them but they beat them in four games. Tampa looked The looked rattled when they when they got knocked out. And so I think the view was all will see how they respond. But they're not going to be able to really be evaluated until you get into into the playoffs and then pretty soon. October rolls around. They went into New York around the end of October. And they just got spanked. They got crushed and it looked bad so now they've got all these issues. Why checked in a little bit in Tampa and talk to a couple of people there and they felt that early on that. They didn't outside of that week in New York where they were terrible that they'd played. Okay didn't get any points in overtime. Because they never got any games to overtime they they lost didn't regulation so now they're a little bit behind the eight ball. They hadn't played as many games as everybody else sold their. You know your points are GonNa lag a little bit in the in their division. I was given this stat so this this kind of made me look at things a little differently in the Atlantic Division. They've been in the top. Three in points percentage for ninety of the first hundred days of the season. So while we're looking at the points it's really the percentage that matters because everybody's GonNa get to eighty two games anyway of actually right. So they were. They felt like they had played better and not were and weren't rewarded. I don't know if that's the case. All the time like there was another gear there in Tampa for sure but the things that they're working on drake's or trying to be they're trying to be harder in front of their net and in front of the other net. They're trying to take less penalties. Be More more disciplined. They've been practiced. They practice focused that they. They think they're making progress while this stretch would tell us it. They're probably a pretty good groove right now and no matter what happened in the first couple of months there. We are with Boston. Toronto in Tampa sitting at the top of the division again and in whatever order Boston's played themselves back to the pack the lease and the lightning. Or go on the other way. And they're gonNA Mishmash around for those top three spots in the Atlantic well while the Tampa Bay lightning round a good groove the Nashville predators in a nasty rut which ultimately cost Peter Laviola job. Peter Laviola out as head coach of the Nashville predators. John Heinz in tough start for John. Heinz I claim on on the bench. But you know it. Was this somewhat predictable. I guess the only reason I was surprised a little bit by it was the timing. The fact that David Paula general manager probably a week prior to said he wasn't contemplating coaching change but in fairness deployable he. Also then you know as part of the Media availability when the change was announced in hiring of John. Heinz was now said. Look you know the tipping point for me was the classic and how the the Nashville Predators essentially folded in in the outcome of that game man. Coaching is tough is I mean. It's tough but when you look the record of Peter Laviola divisional wins with national presidents trophy a trip to the Stanley Cup. Final do do you just Kinda Slough this one off by saying look every. Nhl Head coach has an expiry date and a shelf life and it was time for change. Why I don't I don't recall ever hearing anybody saying Peter. Laviola doesn't know how to coach your that or that is teams. Don't play style at the players like to play and I do believe eventually that you've got to change the record a little bit and by that. I mean that a coach is going to get let go. I don't sometimes it's not fair. I would say in Nashville. Peter had been there five years but the expectations are very high in Nashville. They've been so good for so long that the team seemed to have lost the reg there. They lost their their ability to play well enough for a long enough period of time to win enough games and so a couple of things. That always are red flags for me. I whenever a coach gets fired I look at I look at three things. immediately Look at the power play. I look at their penalty killing and they look at their goaltending And say what are those because the goaltending will always sink a coach anyway for some but the the special teams if they've got good personnel. Which Nashville does if they're not right. That's kind of a red flag for me. So they're powerplays twenty-third their penalty killing twenty nine. Not You know obviously very not nearly good enough. We know the goaltending has been awful. Aca Rene is sixty second in the NHL. Eight ninety four save percentage which would be fine except this backup is to behind him. Uc Sorrows is sixty fourth. And he's got an eight nine thousand two. You have goaltending like that. Your coach all of a sudden becomes pretty stupid. Be Good goaltending. The coaches really smart. So if you look at their team the goaltending has been good. The special teams haven't been good. They've had a good many players that have under achieved by a long shot kyle tourists. They're paying him. Six million bucks got five goals in thirty five games. He might benefit because pretty clearly him in. Lavi let were not even on the same page. They weren't even in the same book. Michael Greenland is a free agent. At the end of the year. He's got fifteen points is is lowest point total in thirty six games in right his career. Arvidsson got nine goals in thirty games. He's a hell of a player. But that's not nearly enough for him and Ryan Johansen who he traded Seth Jones for. Yeah right like they traded. Seth Jones one of the League's best defense and he's got twenty six points in forty two games so you mix all of that in the only guy that's really had a good year is Roman Yosi Llosa's on eleven game history l. Yet nineteen points. He leads. Filip Forsberg by fifteen points. So you gotTa defensemen leading your team in scoring by fifteen points. You clearly have some issues and the change was probably becoming predictable and then when the players start to smell it then you really have to make a move. You like they were traveling. When the heroics of this effort came into play in Toronto Connor mcdavid goal versus the Toronto. Maple leaves on Monday. I know you've seen it obviously multiple times. I mean when you see once you've got to watch it a dozen times just to to make sense of what connor mcdavid did Morgan Riley and the impact. He finishes in in scoring an unbelievable unbelievable goal. You know we use goal of the year as as Cliche but I mean this one has to be an early. Favourite candidate is hitting the hot for two thousand twenty. I assume something might be able to challenge it but the sheer brilliance of what he did at the speed he did against the defenseman. That is a hell of a player and Morgan Riley. Now you put it all together and I mean it was. It was a thing of beauty it really was and I did watch it. I was on the plane I saw you know on on twitter and then I watched it again and then I watched it at home and like one of the things I was most terrified of in the NHL was getting a pass. And then having a one on one against the defenseman. Because I knew I could never beat him. No matter who was back there was no chance that I was going to be able to get around this guy. And then you got the whole rink looking at you like this kind of embarrassing. Because I can't get by the guy that guys were good and I can't get by him. That's not my game and he took it and just undressed riley like it was spectacular. I mean the edge work this. Yeah the deception. It was all there is. It was a thing of beauty. His level of confidence mirrors his athleticism and creativity. I think that's why I expect the unexpected now and as as glorious as that goal was and it probably will be the the goal of the year. I'm waiting for the next one because I know there's going to be a next one from Connor mcdavid. I. I can't debate it. I just I'm trying to figure out how could look if a better his ability to go super fast in one direction and then changed. Directions without losing speed is astounding. I would say is I think about the changes in the game with the players. That ability across the board is has grown more and more to the player's ability to change direction on their edges without losing speed. We couldn't do that. We could change directions but it took a lot lot more time than this. I mean that that stuff is broken. Thinking of the guys I think a Jack Eichel how he changes directions right like these. You can go across that nate McKinnon like then of course Mick Davids the. It's the prime. He's he's number one at at all. Well Wayne Gretzky perfect seat in Toronto. Watching that game no question. He was out of his seat in celebration in the Mcdavid goal he`ll. He'll join us on the rain rigs hockey podcast. Coming up shortly. speaking of greatness. And you know it's it's a category that we have to put mcdavid in now. Obviously Wayne Gretzky for many top of the list. Alexander Ovechkin Ray. Six hundred eighty four goals scored two against the Ottawa. Senators in our wrote of the sense Earlier in the week. I mean it's conceivable now tied for eleventh. All Time in goals was six hundred. Eighty four with James Salani. It is conceivable is it. Not that he could. He could catch Gretzky's eight hundred ninety four. Now there's a two hundred ten goal gap as we're recording the podcast here. Who which isn't chump change by any means. But are you a believer that it could be done? He's thirty four or do you just get. It's it's an impossibility at this stage. I don't think it's an impossibility in the reason I don't is because obese game in my opinion will age pretty well because he'll still be able to get to the front of the net not as often but he's still going to wait two hundred and thirty pounds. He's still going to be a horse. He's going to get in there. You can stand there like a statue in the left circle and score ten to twelve goals. A year can score thirty year. Thirty five goals a year. We have another fifty goal year. Pass this one in. Because he's GonNa need a year or two. That are big ears. Yeah so what does he have now? Does he have twenty nine. Twenty eight something like that. Yeah we don't want to say twenty six. That sounds right. I think he was twenty four going into that Ottawa game. So is going to be near fifty again you know. Can he do it again? One more time that that's going to be critical to whether he can score of these two hundred ten goals you know. He's going to have to have one big year. He's going to have to average near thirty five goals a year. It's possible I hope he gets close and I think Wayne would hope gets close to because the excitement for the game would be astounding like the records that could be challenged. Just think the most all time goals that that would be amazing. Now Wayne is both most humble person. You can come across but I would never cheer for anybody to break my record away. Plus Stamkos has as four hundred nine plus. Now he's all right right and I saw. Her name was was was an achievement. No question yeah. I saw this thing like He was You know it was quite a milestone for him you know. He was really excited about passing it. I was hoping it was going to go into a six year slump. Be Honest with you. I'm sure you were by the way one thing about lovie because I think he's GonNa get close. I'd like you'll be in the ballpark anyway. Put it that way whether he gets there or not. I guess is is. It's you know we'll we'll we'll find out but it's astounding. He did this. You know the the number of goals he's got to tie Salani. That's three hundred less games. I know and also think about three hundred less games. Amazing what he's done well and that's six hundred and eighty four goals in eleven hundred twenty nine games and again just as a as a point of Reference Wayne Gretzky scored eight hundred ninety four goals in fourteen hundred and eighty seven. Nhl Game Salt provided over. You can stay healthy. Obviously you know we're saying he's got a chance Let's kick over the Montreal Canadians. Wrap up top five rape. They lost to the Detroit Red Wings on Tuesday. Seven-game winless earlier. This season are seven-game winless. Now as we're recording earlier this season they went through an eight game winless stretch. They've now lost to the Detroit Red Wings three times this year. They could miss the playoffs for the fourth time in five years can can you make sense of this because the market in Montreal is getting warm right now and starting to point fingers and call out names? Well I can make some sense of it on a couple of things that that really are tied together. Montreal doesn't have offense that's GONNA come from explosive players guys that can change the game. Standalone player you know. Their offense has to be across the board right. It has to be depth. It has to be one through four lines. They have to play really near the top of their capabilities to be a successful team while Joel. Armenia has had a fantastic area thirteen goals last year. Got Eleven now. And then he's out along with Brendan Gallagher you know. They're they're top score along with Paul Byron along with Jonathan Drouin. Who had been playing terrific hockey? So you ask any team or look at any team. They take four of their top nine. Four words out of the lineup. They got problems. If you don't have guys that can carry your team while then you got even bigger problems. That's kind of where Montreal is offensively more Berge and the GM said look. We want to stay in the race until the end of the month and we get healthy. I don't even know if they're in the race. Still no you know and so we can look at the immediate and then if you go back and take a look at their draft choices in the first round only from two thousand nine to two thousand fourteen with the trade of Michael McCarron Nashville. Six straight first round picks and they don't have anything for it not so good and those those guys are between twenty eight or twenty nine and twenty two at this point like. That's that's safe. Four of those six picks work you know and there's Nikita sure back and Louis Leblanc back in the day and Michael mccaren you know or those are three of them and they just Jared tenacity is another. They just haven't worked for them and they're paying the price for that So would you be among the chorus of preaching patients or do you think? Berge has to step up even as difficult as it is to make meaningful trades in season. It can be done. Otherwise have done it. He's done it. Would you be patient and allow the Montreal Canadians to meander forward? Missed the playoffs again. And do their work in the off season. Or would you be one would be preaching for Change at the state why? I don't think they can make anything happen right now. That will change the season. The only way I'd make a significant move now as if it if it has benefit going forward the problem Montreal has talked about the first round. Picks they've got some really good young talent and then they carry price Shea Weber in the middle part of that is really where the issue start to sit so. I don't know if you've ever tried to do two things at the same time. It never works no right. You're looking for your keys in your conversation. Now you forget what you're talking about is you're looking for your keys or you go to pick up your keys. And you forget the conversation when you straddle the fence you can catch yourself right in the middle do exactly. And that's where they are. They've got these. You know these stud older players in price who by the way has been not even average this year. His statistics are not even average and Shea Weber had a fantastic year. You've got them at one end of the roster then you've got a bunch of young guys that just doesn't work. They're trying to get younger and better. And then they've got these there twenty million dollars tied up in two players. I don't know how you make a meaningful trade now to fix that but getting into the draft. They've got to use some of their cap space. They could take players on that. Other teams are looking to create cap space with. Yeah you might be able to get high price player from somewhere else because they can afford it rather teams can't do that good stuff rape. We've got Wayne Gretzky. The great one coming up on the Rangers Hockey podcast. And of course a little bit later a weekly staple throat punch ask gray and grades all around the Gore all right joining an episode fourteen of the raindrops hockey podcast. None other than Wayne Gretzky. We've been teeing this up for the last couple of days Gretz. Thanks doing this. Appreciate you taking the time. Yeah no problem pleasure. Fear we've got FERRARO standing by. Of course we'll let him jump in momentarily but let's let's go back to Monday's game and I mean I've talked a lot about this. Thought you were paid close attention to the spectacle that was the connor mcdavid goal in Toronto. You were there. Is it true you literally got out of your seat? Mcdavid scored that highlight goal. Yeah pretty much You know I've I've been lucky enough. I've got to play a lot over the last few years obviously being connected so. I've seen it time and time again. It never gets old and there's something. I don't care what anybody says. There's something really special about doing something like so unique in places like Toronto or Montreal or Madison Square Garden. There's just something very very unique about it and obviously the awareness when something like that does happen is pretty incredible and if you look at The replay and I. I've watched closely many times when he got the puck between the red line. In the Blue Line as you can see them looking into the middle of the ice. I think he knew before. I even got to the Blue Line. Defensive into the minimum was gonNA utilize his speed and go outside. So if you look at it closely. It wasn't a spur of the moment decision. I think he had the play in his in his mind. Before you even got over the Blue Line and that's pretty special man. It was. It was unique because listen we have most goalies in the NHL catch With their left hand That goaltender happen to be Right catching with his right hand and he came in on that side. Consequently that side opens up a little bit more for goaltender instinctively. So right hand side comes in on his win against a left handed glove goaltender. That side is normally decided to go. So it's very very rare that I left hand in shock gets that opportunity to SORTA fake and go back against the green and obviously capitalized on Fruit secular moment. You're talking about you know he's he's doing all of this in about a second right like it's not like he's got all kinds of time to think about it and similarly Do things that other people just couldn't do. They didn't see it. They didn't understand it. And you know you'd make your your turn up at the Blue Line and you'd pass to nobody except your came. Yari Curry and we always were amazed by that. What what the players like yourself. And now we're seeing with connor. What do you process like? How do you see it because the rest of us? The ice left really crowded. Let me tell you got really crowded at the end of my career. I really I asked Connor that a day. I I was curious because listen this hockey sense in his hand and all. That are pretty remarkable. There's duties crosby and Matthews and Marna tapes. I mean these guys are pretty special but one of the things I wanted to do was like he has another gear and probably listen. I I saw Paul Coffee. And he was remarkable his speed and his acceleration but probably the combustible to connor that of Bobby Orange his day that he could sorta take that one stride and all of a sudden two strays later. He was in full gear and I was asking corner that question like did you have this when you were five to seven did you or did you find it when you're fourteen like how to. How do you have that extra step that listen play? Frankly nobody else has in the game today Similar to maybe the speed and power of that of the veteran shot. There's only one vegetable. Well there's only one corner what he does and I think that as I said he didn't just at the spur of the moment. Decide all right. I'm to take this guy inside and utilized my speed and go around him. He his mind was to plays or two steps ahead of everyone else before he even made that play so I think that players who grew up thinking that way and utilize that from a young age they just sort of groom themselves throughout their life and consequently that. That was a lot that I did so when I was five I play with ten year olds and when I was fourteen I was planning. It's nineteen and twenty year olds and of course seventeen against men so I could never utilize strength or power. I had to to use my hockey knowledge my hockey sense and so from a young age. I never really changed my style. The only thing changed that fourteen June be against nineteen years nineteen year old. Junior big coats said listen. Watch Bobby Clark play. Plays out of the quarter and little bit behind the net. That's what you should try to emulate and so studied Bobby Clarke And consequently problem is one of the earlier guys and one of the first guys legalize the net as a weapon utilized going behind the net as tactic and I started at a fourteen so by the time I was playing pro. I'd already done it for four twenty five years and it was a new for me. I've never heard that analogy to to Bobby Clarkin and how you would have picked that up. That's really cool because if you remember the days of the Boston Bruins and fill US busy. The Big Centerman John Belleville big sentiment and the big Centerman sort of stand in the middle of the box and those states that defenseman was allowed to sort of knock guys over crosscheck guys That was part of our game. Well I I couldn't have done that. I was small and Bobby Clark was in the big guy and he was the first guy with Rick Lesion Reggie Leach and he he was more from the net to the corner making his passes to Reggie Leach mcleese and every now and then he would go behind the net. But that's when I really started to follow Bobby Clark. I didn't have the speed. The job F- parole is probably the best in the game at the time and My my coach said You watch Bobby Clark. Play every night you can. And that's what I did. I studied onto tea and I was able to You know sort of masking my craft of the many things you've left in your legacy of of the game one was when you got traded to Los Angeles and the consequent spread of hockey through the United States. I mean that Spurs and Austin Matthew Spurs The Dallas Stars and the growth hockey through California. Have you ever sit back and reflect and go about your impact that you left behind by going to Los Angeles? Well listen first of all it so it seems like yesterday. I got traded I actually Just don't know where the time flies. I I drove by Kotel in front neck Missouri and I was telling my kids I spent my twenty first birthday. They in that hotel with your grandmother. Great Grandmother After Game Saint Louis so time flies so fast But you know When I got traded air everybody sort of thought and put together okay. It's a family decision. We're going to to Los Angeles in and that's probably true but the reality was I was given choices of the New York Philadelphia. Detroit OR LA IN. My heart was set ongoing Detroit. I grew up according to how fan I felt like you know he was. The greatest player ever played a game tonight. Become friends and not only was my idol. My friend and it was my dad's stepped in and said listen There's only one Gordie how Why do you be unique and do something different and go to California so ended up in California and I always tell people? There's two things one? I was with the right group of guys who understood that we're more than just hockey players guys like Lucrative multi Marty mcsorley Kelly Rudy. Jim Fox these guys were spend countless hours in youth clinics and talking hockey and going to school and so the high school hockey program went from I believe in a d there was four high school teams over one hundred thirty high school teams by nineteen ninety five so everybody had a hand in it. And then my timing couldn't have been better sense that Mark Messier went to New York Rangers and work was an icon himself and very visible very crews maddock. Steve is Herman leaving the Detroit. Red Wings and what he did on the ice and off the ice and of course the two big ones. Were Mario saving the franchise in Pittsburgh and doing what he did? For hockey there and then of course bread hall single handedly saving the Saint Louis. Blues there'd be no Saint Louis. Blues today have cliff. Fletcher Not Traded Bread Hall to the Saint Louis Blues. So my timing couldn't have been better. All those pieces fit together and then during that period of time there was a gentleman. Come to every game that fell in love with hockey in. His son was a hockey player and he happened to be running Disney Michael Eisner and one day he sort of said at dinner. I WANNA do. I'm doing the hockey movie calling mighty ducks and it was more successful than anybody could have imagined and then he said you know what? I'M GONNA have a hockey team called the mighty ducks and I remember thinking well. That's probably warned the craziest things I've ever heard who needs an NHL team. The mighty ducks are then. I'm sitting here thinking well. This guy's probably one of the greatest marketing gurus in the history of of of life. Not just arts and so when that happened. Georgian Gordon Gun moved the team to San Jose and then everything just sorta snowball and like I say to people all the time. Listen I was proud of what I helped create and help to California and in the United States but everybody had a small piece in the small hand and making hockey more popular. We always listen. It's a great game. We have a bad image where it's an art to be able to be a good. Nhl Player you gotta you gotTa Pass. It's a man's game. You gotta take a hit you gotta give it a hit and I think what we showed people was. There was an artistry to the sport of Hockey consequently a lot of these great athletes in the United States who grew up especially climate cities. And I WANNA play baseball or football. Tennis gravitated to a sport that they truly loved and they they enjoyed and the sport itself is the greatest game in the world and once kids get introduced to it. It's pretty easy to sell them on it because it's such a fun game and so I was one word of mouth pieces of sort of puzzle and obviously I'm very proud of it. You mentioned somewhere in there Wayne About Your Dad. Counseling it to be you know to go to La two to be your you know to make your own. Mark this past holiday season I thought it was a spectacular beautiful commercial with the autograph in Dim. Horton's I I just loved it. I thought it was amazing. How did that all come about well? First of all thanks in the listen. I I was a stick boy. My Dad was plane. Intermediate B hockey or at team in a little town called air. Which is just outside of Paris and Terry and the age of four years old. I was a stick boy and at the end of that year we got team Jackson. I'm so proud of my jacket The moral the story is from that point on. My Dad collected everything that I ever sort of accumulated my first Jerseys Dick's pox trophies Team jackets and he would just keep it. There is no no reason to wasn't have about money or didn't think or know why would ever make the NHL it was just. He was that kind of a person. And at the age of sixers load Tim Hortons opened in Branford area. And I remember seeing assigned to Morton is GONNA be there to sign autographs and I remember talking my mother to take me and she took me over there. I got Tim Hortons autograph I remember how say they was like all six year olds? When I got out there my mom did all the talking. They couldn't even Sorta Open my house. And you know to this day mother's chase autographs and then sort of afterwards apologize and don't worry about. My Mom. Did the same thing for me I am. I know the feeling it's okay So a couple of years ago We have a little bit of a mishap in her basement. Got a little bit of flooding and some of my friends and family were down there. Picking things up to make sure nothing got damaged in one of the things they picked up. Was this old to help them. Then my dad had down there with sort of some ribbons and pictures and stuff and low behold in in their particular album. Was the autograph from Tim. Horton so tim. Hortons called me and we talked and chatted. They wanted to get back to the grassroots of where the company started being Canadian and trying to really show people and it's a great Canadian company Over lunch I just talked about getting his autograph from from there the Tim. Hortons people Wisely put this full service commercial together and something that we're very proud of all beautiful incredible story a great commercial. You're right Wayne Gretzky. Our guests on the ran. Drake's hockey podcast. We're going to incorporate a little social media here for you. Grads a twitter question comes from Mike. Fowler and Mike is asking if you could apply one rule change that the NHL has today in today's current era. What would it be? And he's leading the question by saying would it be three on three in overtime or would it be something else Well let me tell you this. Every time we watch a hockey game and my wife and I were at the last couple of Games Boston and Toronto. And then last night we got a chance to watch. Incredible citing overtime of the Winnipeg jets and and try to make police and I think anybody and everybody was a fan who watched that were just on the edge of their seats except for the for two people. The coach Winnipeg coach Toronto But we often say Gosh. How Fun would that have been able to have three hundred three when when we played you know myself and curry and Paul coffey on the MRI Anderson. Just it would have been so much fun but I you know I. I love what we've done with our game. The game today is such a better game And that that's no not against anybody who played in the fifties or the eighties. The players today are bigger faster as you know ray. The equipment is so much better. The skates are better. Imagine how Great Bobby. Orr would've been today if he could've skated it and the skates that they used today. He basically used the tennis shoe with a blade on it. And you know to me. That's phenomenal. That's why the athletes in seventy and eighty great equipment wasn't as good but today they're bigger and they're faster they're stronger. I I like the game today. The the one thing that the one I would change and it's not a big rule. I think that it's an art to carry the POC from your own end into the offensive zone so if I had one thing that I would change wherever the whistle gets blown down delay penalty. That's where you should start from but I know we're trying to create more offense and worksite. -Ment it's a positive but I also think it's an art to be able to carry the puck from your own end into the visiting team's defensive zone so you tell so eight so you might. You must love that. A hundred and fifty foot slap pass and tip it into the zone. Exciting Paula Ninety other day was sitting there and he was always the greatest passers from his own end to center. That I've ever SEEN BABIES. Good as bobby on us and I was saying to include Jim if you could pass to the far Blue Line. How much fun would listen. That's like we'll let you go here shortly but ray you've got a tell the story. I've heard this story a couple of times the first time you had a conversation if we want to call it a conversation with Wayne Gretzky on the ice and want you to share that experience in that memory while. I'm almost certain Wayne won't remember it. I told him the second time I talked to. Wayne was in a golf cart and I told them this story and so I was my first or second year and we were in. Edmonton back then. The veterans used to be able to cheat at the face off in the linesman would never really say anything they'd have. Us young guy standing there like a frozen rule and so I'm standing there in Wayne. It's turned almost sideways backwards. And so because I was a I said why. Don't you just throw the puck in the corner for him and he doesn't have to ruin the tape on his blade and I'd never spoken to him before total. Aw and he said why. Don't you zip it and put your stick on? The ice was our first conversation and went put one. Hey Jerry something. That's that's nothing compared to my first game in the Philadelphia Spectrum. I was eighteen years old and about one hundred and fifty pounds. And I'm facing off against Bobby Clark and I look over there and I just seen all these guys on. Tv and his Don Celeski and Bob Kelly and pont and I remember thinking wow I better be on my fastest behavior today. I better get my skates move and before the puck was even drop. Bobby Kerr came in spitting in hacking like you always did brothers stick down and cut me for five stitches in the face before it drops the income stick. Yeah I go one more for you in your time in La. Your your roommate was my brother-in-law. Tony Granato now Tony. Seventy two speeds of fast. Tell me something that he was like as a roommate. I can't believe he was the most organized guy or but I bet it was an unbelievable roommate. It was the best You're lucky my career really had couple of roommates. Only Kevin lobbying one and of course. Tony Literally Tony almost passed on us. I hope people remember but yeah that minor green in your resume. Actually my house through a super bowl party that we had and went light down and thankfully his wife a spur enough to realize that it was worse than just a headache and we went to the hospital and had hours of surgery and consequently you know he's fine but listen he was just all hurting soil You know ray never. He never cheated. The game at all. Practice played heart. They love the game and just I was so blessed to have him as a roommate. he was my last roommate after he couldn't go anymore for a while. I decided that was it. I was going to get my own. We're stuck at France today. Chat with them quite a bit and I always remember how good that line was in the Toronto series of Corey Mellon Mike Donald. Tony Granato they got the game winning goal or they put us up for two three in that game seven But nobody plays more hundred more desire and and pound for pound the toughest guy that ever played with. Just the pleasure play with excellent Gretz. We WanNA thank you for joining us and taking a good junkier day away to to be part of the ranger eggs hockey podcasts. Thanks for doing this great day. Thanks guys thanks wing. Man Ray number of stories there that I hadn't heard before coming from the great one wing. Gretzky we we. We spent the better part of probably twenty four twenty five. Maybe twenty six minutes talking to this guy. We could've talked for hours because when you when you hear wing tell the stories you can you can hear you can almost feel the passion that comes out of the history of his game. I'm I'm most amazed with with the detail that he watches a play with these breaking down mcdavid goal and and of course the way that he played but he talks through establishing a new frontier in the in the southern United States. But he's given credit to everybody else you know. It's always been a trademark of him. His humble he is. I'm just astounded for as much as Wayne does for our league. There would be no end to the asks for him. What an ambassador for the sport that he is and can be It's it's really remarkable. I I loved listen to them. Tell the stories that he did. Did you appreciate the Audio Cameo from tiny? The ran drugs hockey on ASCA. Pretty clear that tiny runs at home. So as we're recording the the interview I've got a dog walking service. Normally they just opened the door and tiny goes running but apparently it wasn't the usual dog Walker so there was a stranger at the door. Hence the outburst from tiny the RENDERINGS MASCOT. I ninety with not having any of that. No luck we We need to FAG. Nobody right I I'm pretty sure it was warm. Ish in Astravo was it or or did you require the novus jacket. No no I needed it It was warm ish and then all of a sudden the wind hit and it was cold. So if if I didn't have it I would have been caught in a bad way. Warm comfortable The jacket is fantastic. It looks good to start with. But it's great if it looks good and it doesn't keep you warm doesn't do it. It's supposed to do Minorities jacket was hit it out of the park again over and Estrada the and everything you've just said applies to notice and this podcast really is about novus because early in the podcast. We talked about you doing laundry and you talked about just talked about how windy it was in the Czech Republic. All novus jackets are wind. Proof right are you probably felt that you experienced that Czech Republic they're breathable and perhaps just as important as any of that their home so you can just fire that thing right back into the clothes washing machine. What do they call them? The washing machine. I had to close watch. What we I'm like. What are you four is? I don't know what I'm doing is just given full props to our pals at Novus for making you look good which is never easy making when me look good which is next to impossible so thanks to novice for Always being there for the rain dregs podcasts. Guests have come from uh-huh all right time for everyone's favorite part of the rain drake's hoc you. Podcast is throat punch. And Ray. I've I've got something special for you bulldogs all right now. The problem is I don't know how to shut it off. Hold on the part working on it right all. Come on. Shut it off series. Obviously that's the penalty box from the world junior hockey championship in the Czech Republic. And I've got a feeling that after hearing at one time. That was enough for us at fair. I can't stand that song. Now this is this is what people I don't think understand so we're doing two games a day. Most people were watching the Canadian Game. And maybe part of the other game though in the first game. Say there's ten penalties ten times. I hear that Song the Canadian game. There's seven penalties that seventeen times a day. Somebody thought that song was a great thing to play as a player. Any pressure filled time goes to the penalty box. It sounds like it reminded me of the old Benny Hill thing. Benny Hill theme get. I hated it. I couldn't even I. It would come on and you'd be like I can't even ignore it how much I dislike. Know what it was called. I think it was called Charlie Charlie something. I'd like to meet Charlie. Tell him to beat it. So Charlie gets a throat punch for sure what is going to take away from the throat punches as you were playing the song people can't see you were kind of dancing and shoulder shuffle gone. I'm not I can see. I can see why Holly thought you were a great idea back in the day. Oh what a smooth dancer. Hey you know how we met by the way It was actually I if you're old enough to appreciate this but in small town I'm GonNa say Canada but it was a Western candidates. Scotch when they used to bring in. When the ice was out in the summer they would bring in like a Roller Skating Company. Right and once a week. There'd be like a roller skating party in the Land Bird Arena Landaburu schedule. And that's where hall and I met for the first time I was like fourteen. Fifteen at the time admire skin-tight GW. Jeez on sweet ass. Like I mean really really nice and on top of that. I was wearing a Pittsburgh pirates. Remember the old Pittsburgh Pirates Hats. That were lawsuits. I mean like coke wouldn't want she's always human anyway. It wasn't my dancing. It was a masculinity on roller skates. Not Blades Skates these. Things had four wheels man. Did you have your own? No which is. It's a personal pet peeve of mine. That's the reason I don't go bowling and roller skating. Gross me out because I'm wearing somebody else's toe jam and I'm not digging it. Yeah I can bring your own socks to bowling. Oh yeah I wear socks but I guess they sprayed them. I don't know what they're sure. They did back in the eighties. Spreadable rights anyway. This is what happens when you bring pauly or tiny. I've always got a story right. And then they're usually ridiculous. That's good but my throat punch goes to the goal song because I couldn't stand it bugged me. I would give a secondary one to Corey. Perry for his play in the game. Yeah because it's funny. You can defend if you want but the stuff piles around the same guys all the time. It's coming from the side. There's only one place you're gonNA hit the player. And that's Ryan Ellis. Yeah there's only one place I didn't like that place. Oh did you think I mean five was the maximum without the in person hearing so I thought it would have been Alderman. Yes absolutely I just. I don't see how there was any other result that was going to happen from trying to make a hit right in that position. Well Yeah I'm not struggling with this but it's it's not as defined as I would like it to be normally the throat punch as you've described is it's individualized. It's either again. Your candidates Corey Perry for the five game suspension. Being perhaps a bit light for dirty play or the penalty box song. I get that I'm going with anyone who continues to oppose more three on three overtime and I get it be as I've talked to general managers about this coaches. There's at least a hint of concern that you're going to stress overplay your top dogs your top players because those are the players that are going to be out there in ending standard window of three on three but I've also talked to players and I've talked to goaltenders and there wouldn't be many who prefer the shootout over an extended three on three so my throat punch goes to anyone who says now we're good with what we have five minutes with three three overtime and leave the shoot up and in fairness that might go all the way up to the Commissioner's Office because Gary Bettman as always been a strong proponent and advocate of the shooter for me it's an individual's skills competition. I want and need more three on three. I don't I don't understand the on board with the debate over it. You know it's more ice time for your stars while if it is than us some other guys yeah right now because the the shootout. I liked it when it first came in I was on board with it. I'm like this well. Then all of a sudden there's too many games going to shootout and I'm like It's not that overtime. Toronto and Winnipeg last night was spectacular. Well they're not always spectacular right all the time they you know you don't get the best version you know you guys kind of. They're going to control the park. They're GONNA come back to center. Whatever it might be. I would much prefer that to me. That's closer to real hockey. Then you have to You know to the shadow and the reason that they will always look for an ending is because the ties were just they were unpalatable to the North American audience. Like in soccer. You have tie on the European tie it just finishes tie basketball they play. They don't go to a free throw shooting contest or three or three point shooting contest. They play overtime till it ends. I would prefer that too. I'm with you on this all right. We've got to ask Ray Andrey coming up. Do you WANNA play. You want me to play Charlie one more time Ray. Is we leave throat punch or should I just let that Rusk? I've I've almost had enough of Charlie You know what's really been interesting to drake's is how many people send it to me on twitter at me to the group that will be tweeting it at in the very near future perhaps as part of the limited promotional work that you do in supporting the rain breaks occupied cast on. These are all right. Let's go between the benches and we're gonNA start with a positive and then we'll shift over to somewhat of a negative story. Line your thoughts on the Columbus Blue Jackets and the Arizona coyotes if you look at the Columbus Blue Jackets radio months ago we're talking about Columbus. What is going on with the Blue Jackets? I mean at that point a month ago their way out of the playoffs and you know all of a sudden now. They're right the thick of things yet again yet. Well it's funny. I would say that you know we. Can you know we? It's pretty easy to to point out. What what amuses us at times from from John Tortorella when he snaps at the podium when he you know any is so fiery. The Guy can coach because their team was decimated in the offseason. They lost rate. Now are Tammy perine had sixty points New York. So they lose him they lose Brodsky. They've got to totally unproven. Goalies and Yoenis corpuscle. Who got hurt and Elvis? Moore's Lincoln's there forward group is just gutted with injury and yet now they've got fifty points on the season there. Ten One and four in their last fifteen games. They're they're at the second wildcard spot two points behind Philly two points behind Carolina I find it astounding and of course nobody really notices or none of us really pay much attention. But you're like damn they're doing unbelievable and I think it has to be knowledged Arizona's We talk it on earlier and talk to him. About what A. What a great job. He's done in the coyotes of done. This division is jammed up. You've got between first and fifth. You've got four point separating teams but Arizona's at the top of the heap. They got twenty five. Wins the both goalies on a lineup? Anti rant is hurt again and Darcy Camper got hurt now. It's down to goalie three Eden Hill and they went again talks. Done an amazing job out there but getting Taylor Hall adds another level to their team. Kessel start to warm up to the deal and they're not going to be an easy cure and some credit to John. The general manager. Who knows I mean? That's that's a coup that's a big deal and acquiring Taylor all may not be done between now and and the trade deadline. If you pay much attention to this I think you do you know it's always fun. When you see basketball players tee off show personality we see it in the NBA. Of course we see it and in the NFL to some degree on occasion. You see it from baseball players. Rarely do we see just pure personality from NHL Stars? There are a handful. There are a handful. I everytime Brad Marchand opens his mouth. I want to hear what he has to say. And and there are other players who are like that because they're not afraid of the media and they've figured out a while ago that you know what it's part of brand building is part of brand building now you can go to the extreme with. Pk Superman but then you can take it all the way back to Connor mcdavid. Who clearly doesn't doesn't love the camera. He knows that you know being captain of team matters and he has to speak with the media. I don't that he's. He's intimidated at all by media. I just don't get the sense of the enjoys doing it. Is that missed opportunity by? Nhl Players in failing to build their brand because they're not embracing the opportunity to give us more. Yeah it's it's a mess. It's a mess by the players in. It's a missed by the league. Now the league brings in the top players at the start of the year they have that media junket and they film a bunch of commercials and things that get shown throughout the year. Like I saw him You know the magician. That's doing all these tracks with the players. That's all done at the media tour. I really liked that stuff. Because you see the guys are laughing trying to figure it out now. Not Every interview has to be a grand slam but what happens too. Often I think is the players so either are uninterested or distrust what the interviews about. They don't give anything and it's not that you have to give up deep dark secret. Just pretend to be entered to to be interested watched Kesari cap and in the other day. Do over the boards interview before the game and I and I guess I am picking on him but I don't really mean to. It's just the latest one I saw. He was doing the over the board so the reporter asked a question. They put the mic in front of him. At no time does he look at the reporter nor look at the camera. He's watching the league skate. Around in warm-up disinterest made it kind of struck a chord with me I'm going out damn guys if you can just be interested. Maybe the casual fan becomes more interested. Maybe the hardcore fan becomes even more interested. Maybe you start to build your brand a little bit well. What does that do building? Your brand means if there's more interest there's more revenue like let's get right down to the bottom line. More revenue means more hockey related revenue. Which means maybe you're hated escrow. We'll go down. Yeah but you have to be open to doing it and too many guys are closed off to it and it. I think it's a myths. Now Look I like to talk. And that's the way you know that's the way I'm built. I never found it to be too much of a Chore Gas Question. Answer the question and move along. You agree agree to do these over. The board interviews. So why do them right or don't do them now get somebody else to do it? Tell the PR guy. I don't feel like doing it. But the due to do such a uninterested jaw with it. I think I think it just makes guys look bad is funny you bring up the Toronto Maple leaves and that experience with with gas berry and not to pile on the leafs here and obviously there's zoned out there. They're focused. They're thinking about what they need to do in the game by. Okay let me let me stop you for a sec in warm up you're not thinking about you're not thinking about the game now you're just trying to get loose. They'll let you looking row thirteen to see who happens to be sitting there No I think you're maybe I don't know you look at the guys that are off the boomer. You know the have a laugh. They're getting one the games in a half an hour and look over at the other team and you go. Yeah okay. This guy's there that guy's not playing okay. You notice that and then you warm up. It's not like you're just grinding through place. They've done the same warm up since one thousand nine hundred five right. Come out and circle around your you. Go into the coroner's yes. Kato you take your pass from the other guy you do with hang onto two on one and Bob your uncle your out of there. Well the reason I bring up his soul so last night and I don't know if you saw you know we're recording on on Thursday here so it was Wednesday night. Kaba Costas is interviewing William Mainlander exact scenario and they've got some some video some B. Roll of of Neil under trying to get into the leaves dressing room so he's arriving at the arena. Y'All in the street clothes. He's trying to get the doors locked and he can't get in which is a music. I mean everybody wants to see that it's it's it's funny and he asked me. Landeros as last question I think nealon or maybe out of two word response. That was it just. You didn't blow him off. He wasn't rude. He just was not having any part of explaining what happened and why he'd been locked out a leaves room. You know what a longtime ago I remember Kevin Shattenkirk got traded to know. It wasn't Kevin Shattenkirk Somebody was traded to the capital's And he turned around he did the interview right outside the capital's door and the door was locked and so he made he made light of it. You know we tried it. And then he added again and he kind of like you. Don't have to be an Oscar actor no but you can have a little bit of Zip. I mean. I'm sure once the door got unlocked. Kneeland or founded funny. No question right. I just think it's a mask drags. I just think it's a mess all right. Well we're not GONNA mess on the ask Ray and dregs questions today and Dario. Oddly enough question one is about the Toronto Maple leafs and it comes from LE- Le- wants your opinion rate on the Toronto Maple leaves should adjust their approach putting the TAVERAS line against the other teams top line or should they switched to the minor line with Matthew going against the best as Mars. Better defensively than to verison. You know he's saying it was an apparent mess versus the mcdavid line earlier in the week to Aris seemingly got torched by mcdavid minor stripped him of the POC. Would you make that adjustment why I do think a couple of things first of all you can match lines in? That's important but it's the defense that really carry the water here in the match against another another top line. So the leafs in that game. We're playing Martin. Marin and Justin Hall against mcdavid they got caved in right now. That's bad match. That diverse line is well. They got a shot. Twenty two four now. Mcdavid was unbelievable and tomorrow's line was not very good. I don't know that I would go with one over the other like as this is the way. I'm always going to do it. I think there's some cases where Matthews as his game has continued to grow that that would be the one that I would use and then other times it would be bars. I think they have. You have to look at it as to what you can't have a plan cemented. That never changes I would. I would look at both guys and who you trust enough against another top line might not be the same guy all the time off the top of the podcast we. We talked a lot about the world junior championship. And I guess we'll wrap up that event with this and it comes from Chris Christie's wandering what the NHL can do to make the world junior hockey championship more popular in the United States. That's where Chris Lives He says very few people in America have the NHL Channel as it costs. More money So it would be better if games were available on a free channel. Like NBC. Something along those lines to get a greater audience to see and follow the tournament like it is in Canada any ideas on that and I mean I guess we kind of stay in our own little pond here and worry but we worry about in Canada. Yeah I you know I know they have they do have it on the NHL Network Just the US Games for the most part. I think as far as it being on a free channel cable channel now right like you it would be hard to imagine that a over the air channel is going to pick it up. I mean they I guess technically they could But somebody's got to foot the bill on that could it be part of a grass roots or more grass roots pushed to these players get into the public consciousness a little earlier perhaps could USA hockey being more involved in it absolutely however just unless the unless the NHL and yeah you know what they can. It comes down to money if somebody wants to pay for the right. Then then they can put on their channel or they can stream it right but somebody has to pay for the rights. You don't get to have the product it's just not the way. The business works all right final question from Carson Ray. What made you decide to go into broadcasting as opposed to working in a team front office after you retired. Great Question Okay. I always thought I was GONNA coach. And then I thought I was going to get into management just before last year in Atlanta. My my wife and I separated. I was getting divorced so when I retired My ex wife was GONNA move to Vancouver. Which is where we are now and I could not I promise the boys Matt and Landon that I wouldn't I wouldn't leave. I wouldn't travel. They were ten and thirteen and so coaching instantly fell out like I. I couldn't do it. And so then you know. So we got settled here in Vancouver and got remarried and Then cammie and I had Riley and pretty soon time just kind of moved away from that. I done some broadcasting while I was playing and it seemed as it was something that people thought could be okay at or good at or whatever and I liked it and then I got offered Joe or offered to audition for the oilers color job. I got that job and I retired in. May of two thousand and two in an October. I started on TV. I had no idea what I was doing. And then all of a sudden I was the color commentator the oilers and it was it was an beyond seamless transition going from one to the other but I had no idea what I was doing but I did it mostly for family for to be around the boys as much as possible so name. Every team was expressed interest in hiring. You and a hockey capacity. Go ahead there. You are finished. He asked by the way. Why chose my career path? I didn't have the same option I could've worked in a potash mine in yesterday's scheduling could've stayed on the farm. I could talk. I wasn't a very good hockey player. But something about this industry stuck with me. I was actually driving. New York. Densest Gach when when my mom and I heard a radio AD break From Western Academy in Saskatoon and it was as big booming voice a guy by the name Don Scott and it was hi. My name is Don Scott. Do you want a radio career? Something along those what happened so anyway. That's what I did I said. Hey you know what do that or become a phys ed teacher. And I didn't think I'd be good at that either so I think you made the right choice man. I'm going to tell one story about I'm broadcasting on. Espn as I'm still playing rights. When my team's got eliminated from the playoffs they called. Said you WANNA come and do some. Tv work. I said sure so now. This has gone on for a couple of years by this point. We're playing in the playoffs. It's my last year against Detroit. And there's a scrum the net everybody's pushing and shoving inury Fisher is got me by the shirt collar. Jerry Fisher. If you don't remember him. He had a hard episode and actually have been tire early Fortunately with saved by a guy that I've gotten to know Dr Tony Colucci They saved him on the bench. And you're he's gone on. He's scouts with the Red Wings and is in great physical shape now but you're it was about six foot five so he had me by the shirt collar pinned up against the back of the net. And Steve Is Herman Skates around. The back of an and he goes. Hey Ray why? Don't you analyze that insatiable you just kind of like a fly by me by the neck and I was like trying to stay out? Stay alive all right so so. I'm actually happy about talking about the rain. Drake's fantasy hockey pool this week in episode fourteen. Why happy well because we we should give a huge congratulations stan. You're a Victoria. Bc Aaron on top wins first place in the raindrops fantasy hockey pool following the winter. Classic Game January first so Aaron Scores. Twenty five hundred bucks in prepaid credit cards as our first half of the season winner. Aaron doesn't know this right but added bonus to the prize. Package is dinner with you and Cammie really. We're would that be all better? Eggers aren't really nice. You and all. That's fantastic congratulations. Aaron Spend Your Twenty five hundred wisely. Kurt Hamlin Rape Behind Erin Brewer. At six hundred sixty eight points rate cruising along my friend. Five hundred seventy eight points. Forty six better than me and some stiff name Robert Reece. Isn't that far behind East? At least six hundred and forty three points so well ahead of you and I forgot to check on Landon. Did you check on Landon? I did not no I did not. I mean these awesome. Yeah yeah all right. So I mean I virtually have no chance of of climbing up the standings and being part of the Shenanigans of the second half but I do like the chances of of Kurt. Hahn who knows maybe Erin. Brewer Goes wire-to-wire okay. Well here's another thing we could do like you already owe me a spectacular dinner in Switzerland. Premature celebration right but keep going You we could maybe have a second-half bet own no you know what was our first half but the dinner not. I. I bet there wasn't one you were so confident you were. GonNa win until you're clearly dragging up the pack here. I don't know maybe we could come up with some for the second half to keep the people interested because it's a route right now. It's not even close so the thousand dollars. Us that it's like a unit cost me in. Lausanne isn't enough like what are you. What are you proposing? I'm GONNA give this a thought for the week and I think we have a chance here. Okay how about this for at least one segment that we do on t s and dot ca the world championship. You after. Wear my suit jacket and then I have to wear yours. That would be awesome. All I can think of is Tommy boy. Tommy don't do that and I love. You wouldn't get my suit coat over your elbows are abroad. We got we got a cruiser What's your week look like? I know you mentioned. You've got a jets game coming up for the next few days and leave on Saturday. Night Games Sunday in Winnipeg and Tuesday in Winnipeg Thursday in Toronto and back in Winnipeg Friday so busy busy week coming back at it. 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The Hard Truth For Michigan Fans. NFL Week Ten Headlines. When I Met Wayne Gretzky.

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The Hard Truth For Michigan Fans. NFL Week Ten Headlines. When I Met Wayne Gretzky.

"Welcome into the wind done radio wherever you are. However you're listening spotify tucson cloud whatever it is iheartradio audible now to audible amazon music pandora and he. Thanks me one and done radio a part of your day. Lots of episode. Want for a major rant but michigan wolverines. So it's pretty. It's not. I guess not too long. But it's definitely a rants so michigan wolverines fans about jim harbaugh and all that stuff so i guess some facts and realized so just stick through that rent then i give them a week. Ten headlines highlights high some of the biggest gains from week ten in the nfl. And finally i close the show talking about the experience. I had when i met wayne gretzky but grades hockey player of all time. All that on the show. Let's go. I want to open the show detailing my my saturday so i went to work at my current job. I left and i had some time to go and pick up cauliflower pizza from store and this is my second time ever having the cauliflower pizza my girlfriend which she was in the mood for that and we have a couple of weeks ago and good actually so we've become so we i went there and got it again. I got to pepperoni one cheese from the store to try to pepperoni because last time and try the cheese is actually very good. So what happened was we could pizza ate the pizza and i still had time to sit down. Get for the michigan. Wolverines game against wisconsin. And man why do i do to myself every week. My girlfriend always on my case about. Why did you pick a team that always loses. But you root for the bad teams. This is how i grew up. This is been my teams. And i will stick with my teams. I'm never gonna bandwagon. Like i see. People on social media after michigan got shellacked. Forty nine to eleven okay. Forty nine to eleven. I saw people on social media. Which i don't know why go on there but i saw him saying. Oh i'm gonna trench. I'm gonna switch teams not fans to me more than would be ohio fan. Lifelong fan and this is just terrible. I do okay if you're a lifelong fan. Like how like. When did you start when you were like fifteen like. We haven't been amazing since ninety seven. We've been good. We've been always competing. But we haven't won a national title sense big ten titles are scares like boche and mettler those periods like we were winning big ten titles back then. Okay so i wanna say. Wanna get off the bandwagon of michigan. Find your team. Go forward more michigan gear for me to buy and you wear it in public so people can feel sorry for me. Maybe they'll they'll give me money. I don't know but i watched the game. Forty nine to eleven. And guess what i watched the whole thing. This so sad. Say like you ever have as a family here watching because it's your team but you're you're you're debating like how much longer can i watch my team. Just play the way. They're playing even though it was my team. My i don't get to watch a michigan football game every single day right or every single saturday night. A member big ten football wasn't even going to happen right. There was gonna be was going to be postponed to quote the spring but it happens now and so we just want to cherish the moment that i have watched my team. If that's weird to say. But it's true. I wanna watch my team play but now i look at it my team and i'm sitting there saying what good i do myself. I watching this team. There's no effort. There's no fight. There's nothing in all. Wisconsin did was just beat us to death to stop. A fullback was running down the field if thirty yards. And all my gosh what now. This team has no fight in starts with coaching. Now i want i did. Some research had to sit down. And i was just like and put myself. I took a step back. I was like okay. Let's think about this because michigan. We had not been good since ninety seven as far as a national title. Right we have a since. Then we've been good. We just haven't been a national championship since ninety seven so i went into some research. Now let me just look for the last twenty years. Harbaugh has been around for six years. Caso signals twenty years. Harbaugh has been the head. Coach michigan wolverines. Now only give you some names. Jim tressel less miles. Bob stoops nick. Saban urban meyer and pete carroll. What do all these guys have in common well within the first four years of their coaching tenure at their at their universities they all won national championships. You see how. I didn't put dabo sweeney in. Remember this bob. Stoops did it his very first year oklahoma. Okay nick sabin. It took a couple of years. But he did it urban meyer. What couple years. And then he did. I what does this. What does this team. What does this mean. What does the stat wanna try to point out here. Is this some situations. You are a dabble. Sweeney however has now built a powerhouse after years of being clemson harbaugh. You don't have a powerhouse. Hey now. I've been back and forth about. Should we keep him showy fire but after doing my research i think now on the fence and letting him go. The michigan fans wanted to sit there and say there are some fans i will say. Well we want a michigan man. From what like. What do you want a michigan fan. Four to all michigan fan bras back to the promised land. They know dude. Like i'm want to see this dude bras back to the promised. Land not a michigan man. I don't care about that. I'm sorry like boche and macos not coming back from the dead to coach. One car can't coach anymore. These guys that we are tries. Their michigan manley horrible. Yes when he came in and it was a great but now it's just a team is a biz mwale many. That's why harbaugh doesn't have long tenures at certain university hops from university to university to nfl to back to college. Maybe that's why his ten years are never ten fifteen years because maybe he just runs out of gas and we maybe just need someone. That's going to not be michigan man. We try that. i know. We're trying to retro rig isn't it didn't work out. I understand that but take a step back and understand. These coaches are just named off. They weren't with a played like harbaugh did at their universities like nick. Sabin was a quarterback for alabama. No he just took the job like these less miles. Less miles has ties to michigan and went to lsu and one. So what's just think about all that. What are we doing here. Michigan fan base like we don't have a davos sweeney. We don't we don't have any saving. We don't have irvine my. We don't have these guys. We have a jim harbaugh and from what you saw this past areas. Wisconsin is going to sum up the rest of the season. We have we. We started up high to fifteen. And i've said this before two sixteen with our best team ever harbaugh. You can tell me to eighteen. You could talk about that. But two thousand sixteen. We were yard premature a fourth down. Play from mega to the college football playoffs because we we would have won the big ten title game. That was our best. T- is down hill sense. So how much more do want michigan fans like for the people that want. Stick with harbaugh and say we need michigan guy. No we don't. We don't need a michigan guy we don't they dabble. I don't know where ties dabble has. Clemson lose a player on one of these but if he had any ties please somebody tell me. But if you didn't look at the experiment dabble is an example of it. Takes time a he. That's why he's not on this list because he didn't win a national change of within his first four years however look we're clemson is now. They are the top dogs so michigan fans. I ask you this. Who's out there because at the end the day. I'm not saying that the defense is on horrible because honestly he has been outed and said dom brown handles defense however you hire this man you have stuck with this man. This man should have been fired after the second ohio state game where it was what was i. Don't remember like lashes. Ohio state game. He should have been fired. Because for that you got expose and then you just did not do anything better. He should have been fired so now. It's your job on the line. Harbaugh and as a michigan fan. What else do you want from this guy again. I've been back and forth like urban meyer. That stat again. You urban meyer. Did it twice remember that he was at florida did one essence intel chip within four years of florida. I think he'd actually did it for. I think he did it. Two and four years could be wrong but he did that in florida and at ohio state so like what what. What are we doing wrong. Like i said. I'm i don't wanna go get urban meyer. But if if michigan fans want go back to winning that they have this mindset that we've been a dominant team. Yeah since the beginning of time lake michigan has been a dominant team forever. Because oh were the winningest program. Yes since like out before world war one like what are we trying to say here. We're trying to say that that does championships should count for us. The wittiest program ever and we had minds of. We need to be great like that. We should be great. I'm just saying this if michigan fans want to be great. Get rid of this notion of being a michigan man to lead rt. No i won't even like before we even got harbor. Our saying you gotta open got bright. The bank to get harbaugh because why because everywhere. He's been he's turned program in which he has since being michigan before this disgusting season. I'm watching the program has been turned around before prior like we're winning right. He has a winning record is just he struggles against teams. That is a challenge for him to be a separate there teams that he has been like notre dame last year. Demolish them okay but when there's teams a big time game state michigan state. He struggles in the team struggles. I just wonder how much more as a michigan fan base do. You want to see. And i don't wanna see any more of it. I'm tired of it now. Brace yourself machine fans. There's no way that you guys. We hire a coach and also were national champions next year or even big ten champions next year. There's no way the happens if we hire coach next year. Understand that a coach is going to have to recruit. Now what's funny about that. Is that a lot of these coaches again. That they went onto win. They were able to win with guys that were there before they got there. They were still able to find ways to win. Harbas doing a decent job recruiting but my keyword. There is decent. Yes we have a five star quarterback. Jj mccarthy who committed to us coming in next year we have that we have pieces. We have sent defensive talent at all kinds of lime into the nfl. Listen to me when. I say that we have sent defensive. Talent an offensive lineman to the nfl quarterbacks where are running backs. Where are they receivers. Where are they the to make it. Any kind of splash in the nfl. Is don van. People jones island cleveland. So so if we get a coach can come on in and is able to work with right with our talent that we have. Now god lesson but if have if you are trying to build something like dabble has it's going to take time and harbaugh has had his time. The play has now. These are all his guys. I the first and second year. Some of those guys are brady. Hoke guys i mean what what host say it that those are brady host. Kids harbaugh's guys so brady hope was bringing in players so what happened. Where was horrible. That will now. These are all harbach guys in we are regressing submission fans. I leave you with this. If you wanna continue to watch this season as i will please go for but just understand the end the day that if we want to be great. Do not worry about a michigan man leading this team. I just remember. We haven't been great forever like all we have is winds from the beginning of time. We just haven't been great in recent years we've been good but not a high of state level great and it's gonna be a long time before we ever get back to that level. Just remember that at the end of the day so on recap some of the biggest headlines that we saw from this pass. Nfl weekend and mainly mainly from sunday except sunday had a lot of great games that not many people are talking about and i want to start off. I think probably the craziest sequence that. I think we all can agree. Was the buffalo bills. Where's the arizona car like that game was just a phenomenal ending. The josh allen drive on the field gets a nice twenty one yard pass to savan days. Who mason unbelievable kit. Only to have it overshadowed by calamari and the amazing amazing hail. Mary pass forty three yard. Touchdown to deondraye hopkins. Who would up over three defenders and caught the paul like a calvin johnson mega trough show like on believable headlines. Nash just how crazy it was. And when the future of the nfl. I these two quarterbacks this these are to the chorus part of the future the nfl and bill fans there are people that are like hit or miss. 'em weary about josh allen. Like he's dude they. I think what the debate is anymore like. He's your guy. Has he had games where he struggled. Yeah i mean. Every quarterback does is like russell wilson just troubled. Really bad against the rams if three turnovers. But you don't see people calling for him to be benched like so. Just remember like josh allen is he's your do't like he's the future this team and there's no reason to get off his bandwagon like he played a great game and i give carlos credit though they stuck into the various showed. A thing is possible the next time i want to talk about and i think it's just something that's out of denver and denver. I don't think you have your quarterback a now. i think i'm officially off. The drew lock bandwagon. Like i was definitely a big supporter of drew lock. I thought he was going to have a big time year and no. He's been injured. So i know he missed some games but now he's regressing. He looked awful against the raiders. I don't know what more to say. He had one touchdown in four picks in the past. I mean i get that what he did against the chargers a couple of weeks back where he brought his team back and they won by a point. I get that the happens but now you're looking bad again. Drew lock so i mean. I'm not taking anything away from the raiders. That was great. Win was a much needed win for them. Moving forward for their playoff race for drew like dude. I don't know how to defend you anymore. Like this offense. Get young is a very young offense. As far as our weapons noah fant jerry. Jeudy caja hamler. Look phillip lindsay. Melvin gordon i get that but this team like this office was drafted for you to make you look good to what you did last you to continue to shine to this year andrew. I'm just not seeing it right now. So my from the broncos game has just this team. This quarterback situation is still not solved. So i don't know if they're going to draft somebody again but i don't know who's gonna be available in the draft you and you probably drive somebody in the second or third round to compete. Who drew lock but in the end. I just don't see right now. What i want to see out of drew lock and then giants fans rejoice. You guys did it. You held a lead over the eagles you you one day on. Jones scored a rushing touchdown and did not fumble it or not homeless gives me did not fumble is also term. You could use. But he did not stumble on the run. He walked in with ease so good for him and good for the giants fans i. I went on twitter. I was like is this guy really mean future quarterback because his only he's four no against the redskins that's awesome but he's like in seventeen against everybody else that's terrible slow but he did. He beat the eagles good for him and they held a lead very proud to see that from the new york giants next time. I want to talk about buccaneers. I mean tom brady looks as good as ever i get last week was a horrible last week against the saints but he still show why. He's tom brady now. Do have stuff to work on. yes i think. The timing from him and tonio brown needs to be worked on a little bit. But i mean he only had one mishap as far as an incompletion antonio brown so maybe i'm not understanding it but for the most part. He's tom brady's fine. The the state have like the grasp on. Nfc south. right now. But i mean. I can't say nothing as far as like. Tom brady played bad. Because he's not he's just the saints game was just. That was just weird. That's all i can say that. It was just weird. How they told game played out but when it comes to the saints they have their hold on the division right now drew brees really hoping that he's actually not gonna be out for some time there's an. Mri is supposed to be coming out and may only be out by the time is episode is aired so forgive me but drew brees Just didn't look good as far as But let me just say that wasn't roughing the passer so like just deal with it. Always wrestling is football. I wasn't roughing the passer next. My last headline actually really wanna talk about talk with the dolphins. I mean the three no two as a starting quarterback. That's actually something to be proud of because when job would not choper when ryan fitzpatrick was benched. It was just a weird time like well. Why are we benching him now. Why why are we just waiting until a later on the season when he plays more and now listen at the end of the day everyone was going to criticize the whole benching. Wasn't there. you weren't at the facility watching this team. You weren't at the facility seen to a play and practice like he. Weren't you see what. We saw. On sundays and thursdays and saturdays or whatever whatever game. You're playing with kobe. You saw him standing on the side of his helmet on or off. Way to talk to ryan. Hey ryan how was the fee. How was the game. That was nice. Pass you had like to. We didn't see any of that. So the dolphins made the move and now look at the six to three and they are actually competing for the division title. I still i still have the bills winning the division but dolphins are there now like patriots are whatever dolphins are there and the jets we know. Are god awful to watch just terrible but an listen for justin herbert for the kid. Because you know he's doing all that he can make you really doing all. He can for the charges but they're just not finding ways to win. So you just know that going forward. We have a quarterback. We have to find a way to win with him. So what did he need. Maybe get him some more help. Maybe defense needs to be built around. I understand they don't have zero. James was definitely x factor on defense. But you just really feel for her because you know he's trying all he can. I know that we ten no. He's tired of losing. He just wanted to find a win going forward. So i want to close the show kinda talking about a story when i actually met wayne gretzky and kyw. She's funny because so few years back. I was working at my current job and we found that wayne gretzky was coming in to do premature business at our job. If i got my way. I just don't like to give the name of my job for people to know what i do outside of my podcast so if keep saying my job my job that's why people are gonna say oh. Why don't you just tell. I just don't want people to know. And i know you probably find albaladejo. Iran does not say it but anyways going back to the store so we found the wayne gretzky was coming in and i was trying so hard to greet him and he finally he finally showed up and he showed up. I just about lost now. I had a co worker. He was a buddy of mine. He's like who's wayne gretzky. Like who is wayne gretzky. East raise player of all time. You know wayne gretzky. No i don't like this guy was a big soccer fan and like a real big soccer fan like i. Don't i wanna follow soccer. I do. I have team but like we're just not that good so i don't talk about soccer that much now not that big an analyst for soccer as a whole soccer story that i had i was a kid. That'd be for a different episode. One day anyways go back to wayne gretzky so when he came by i just about lost it but i was like okay. Hello mr lewis. Licensed mr gretzky right. Yes and then. He went outside. He was just about to leave. He's do you guys want the. Do you want a picture. Only yes wanna picture. Thank he asked us now. I live in augusta georgia in augusta with augusta. That's why wayne gretzky was in town so with augusta. I i if you don't know the story and i'm kind of tying masters. Dustin johnson is wayne gretzky son-in-law okay so every year they come by and i just pass you code. I don't know they came by or not. I'm sure he did. But i just don't know if he actually came by and like could go inside the masters. I don't know how it works. But what i has way and i said wayne so or i think said mr gretzky. I don't know either one. But like gods wayne gretzky so like so is doesn't johnson. Is he gonna win. This is fused back like well. I hope so. I'm tired of coming here. Lean with a green jacket. Those exact word was like like wayne gretzky and now what. Dustin johnson violently got his his green jacket and it was in the way riley. There's no fans roy to see it. But he had such a one of a kind round as far as four rounds of golf like he finally did it. He has a history of kind of last Last round is kind of falling apart. A little bit this a little bit. I'm not saying they a but like he's doesn't always finish like he should leave. But can i just want to say congrats. Dustin johnson and wayne I think he maybe you're you're not come back next year because the masters winners automatically welcome back for To play the masters again so i automatically can be terrible all year being still play in the masters so wayne i look forward to if i do see you next year. That'd be great. If i don't whatever that's fine but congrats a doesn't johnson winning the green jacket and i'm glad you had tell a story wayne gretzky because it's one of my favorite stories and that i have been athens. I've met i've met a bunch of athletes. Actually i'll probably tell stories on different episodes of the show but had till the storm wayne gretzky the greatest hockey player of all time. Who when my buddy had zero clue of who wayne gretzky is the dow. Today's episode of one done radio facially to to the show. Be sure to describe to one. Done radio on i tunes follow on done radio on twitter at one done radio. Subscribe to one done ray. On youtube any questions. Comments facts opinions can be emailed to ryan done the number one at yahoo dot com.

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Episode 115: Cejudo vs Dillashaw & Pacquiao vs Broner

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Episode 115: Cejudo vs Dillashaw & Pacquiao vs Broner

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There's a bunch of cameras now in here new studio, not really sure where to look and there's a bunch of dudes in here real cock fest. He's. But you check out the new artwork behind me. What's the gentleman's name on Leyba Leyba names up to liba? They've on there, though, type movie by CI snuck that in and you deserve. It. You deserve it. Apparently. It's Armageddon of Abbott, Kenny. That's what's going there. The art back there advocate. He's on fire. It's why I'm leaving Venice because it's too crowded, and that is the future of NFL -fornia. So that's how we did it bullets. Pretty dull this is the new studio. It's missing a few things but wanted to get in here as soon as possible with the new crew new chair. So maybe don't be mad at the black leather. This one's a little bigger made made for the we got the set the D XL store for the bigger man will Sasso we'll be able to fit in this one as well. And then behind us we have that black brick and behind there's gonna be a neon sign of blow the belt neon sign, and it's gonna be so sick. And it's like Christmas waiting for that God damn thing to come in. I don't know who's doing it. But it's can be really fresh. And I can't wait. I'm back from Edmonton. Edmund tin freezing absolutely freezing. And you guys did warn me, and you weren't lying. It's it's probably the closest I've ever been and they showed up in short shorts and tee shirts to my shows. And they said it's actually nice out, and it was absolutely freezing for kid who lives in California fulltime. And now when I'm in LA, it's raining nonstop and can be raining all this week. So we'll see how that goes LA drivers can't drive in the rain. Can you drive in the rain? I could drive in the rain. Really? Yeah. These now hashtag no race. I know Asian and the rain perfect storm, my mom can't do it. We don't let the rain. We don't let it just doesn't not. But it's nobody's thinking. I don't get it. Why everyone sits beaches when it rains, there's hydroplaning come. I've seen cars hydroplane. Yeah. I guess man. I guess anyway. Back to Edmonton love Edmonton. I don't know what it's about canon men any show. I've ever had in Canada. It's just the best crowds. Why the hell Canadian so nice? Why in the fuck or Canadian so nice I want? What is it is true? I wonder why though I don't get it. Everyone's there are a lot better looking there too. I would say that's a bait in the Richard debate around that Edmonton mall of the mutant that to mall that's up for debate. I mean there are some beautiful women in Canada. No doubt. I don't know if better in LA Toronto, there's argument there being cougar. All right. You have to get the point chin. However, I can't understand why they're so nice. Either way is a grand old time the giant mall there the Edmonton mall. It is the biggest mall North America. It's actually perfer take it easy. And I prefer the mall of America Minnesota because it's newer. And did you guys know this the crew? In here. You know, the biggest mall in the world as action be built New Jersey. Do you know they're breaking ground on that? And it's from the same guys. So check this out the guy ceiling, though, Scrooge mcduck, malls, they own mall of America. They owned the giant dick shape blunt in Edmonton. And then they're breaking ground on the giant one New Jersey. And that was gonna be bigger than all of them because you know casino. Yeah. They all have casinos. Minnesota might not. But Edmonton is casino yet. Edmonton has casino aquarium. They used to have dolphins. I guess the dolphins committed suicide yet true story dark story. Don't want to get into it for the dolphins in the water decide. Fuck this noise. We don't wanna live in this mall in Edmonton. And they commit suicide. That's what the the people around the water were telling me I used to hanging around the water, and then they have a gun range. They have they basically have fucking Cirque du Soleil in there, they have everything man. All they have a giant. You know, those wave pools. Yeah. Like for the video of it. And then do the straight up wave pool, and it was. Packed freezing outside. And that way pools packed. I'll see Tim doors when you're talking about the actual wave pool. Not the when they were surfing, and you lost your underwear. Oh, no fuck that thing I'm talking about a straight up like if you've ever been to water world, or you know, those things that create the giant like a straight looks like a mini ocean. They have rigging Maqsud, that's bad. Just all white people in all my white people and just weighs on ways on waves. That mall. If you've never been reminds me, and this is I'm not I'm not hating on the giant mall in Edmonton. But it it's a little older reminds me for you guys that grew up in Denver like I did reminds you of a giant Buckingham all imagine Buckum all on steroids and fifty thousand times bigger just random stores. I didn't know any of the stores is cool though. Great club amazing club the coolest thing. I get to do besides perform out. There was I got to go to a it's called Rogers arena. And that's where the Edmonton Oilers play. And a couple of my boys out there who worked for the Rena in the whalers took me on this private tour. I like hockey I grew up with the Colorado Avalanche. Right. We still your team from the Montreal Canadians. When you have Pat we had Patrick wa and Forsberg and Joe Sacic like we had the squad, and they wanna bunch of Stanley Cups against Detroit Red Wings. So I grew up not in love with hockey. But I could appreciate on what some of the games with my dad. My dad loves hockey, understand hockey a little bit. But I'm I don't follow it that much and what right. Right. When I got picked up from the airport. The the kid who works for his name's Noah the kid who. Someone's hide man there. Well, dropped the kid who works for the club who picked from the airport. We're talking about hockey. And he said, I'm I the last the guys last time, I think is Murray and he plays disease. No hockey does. He want to who Murray is from that Oilers. I I didn't either where some American assholes. He's basically the LeBron James the NHL. He's the best player by far. And the guy goes, we don't know hot too. But you know, you know, Murray who kneels get the fuck outta here us, you don't know Murray as I don't man, I I don't think he's ever been on ESPN. Remm murray. I is that his name said, he's retired. Or are you still planning know go to? Oilers. Yeah. Just go to a known Houston Oilers you from. I I I'm not. Deafened chin by Edmonton Oilers, go to roster. He's the team captain. He's a comic David guy. All all that. I apologize for being American shit to all my Canadian fans. Wow. Meco Skains struggle city in that picture. I never heard of him. But Connor mcdavid. He's he's based that guy. Dammit meco. We gotta do something with the hair set and how about Vitor Belfort Milan. Luke, rich anyways. But that Connor mcdavid is a straight up Stutz superstar. He's there LeBron James of an H L day were on talking howling laughing at me. I didn't know this guy was I was so embarrassed I went, well, it's not that. I don't know him. But I I've seen him play. Like, yeah. What position? Anyway, I had no idea. I was embarrassed man. I was straight up embarrassed. And I was a well, do you know who Kyrie Irving is? Like you had dumb ass. All right. That's fair. That's fair. So I went on a tour of that Minton Oilers arena. And it was straight up. Amazing. I'm a Edmonton Oilers might be my favorite NHL team now because that city rides and dies on that Knoller's. It's all they have they have that giant mall. They have Earls the cactus club. The dolphins that commit suicide in the random pool, and they got fuck in the Edmonton Oilers man, and that's it and they fuck in sleep, eat and breathe Edmonton, Oilers hockey and how to fuck in win now. And they're kinda shitty. I think they're even the best player on the in the in the world Connor mcdavid. And I hope it goes well from but during this tour. You forget. So this entire tour. It's basically a wing Gretzky shrine 'cause Wayne Gretzky Edmonton Oilers, right? He's the he's got drafted. They're very young get they have they had picks of wing Gretzky when he was eight they have his eight-year-old uniform on the wall, they had as cl- his fucking skates there. They it went from when he was kinda creepy, but cool from he was I think four to a grown man all jerseys every single picture of his father the first time he got off the plane. They have his rookie jersey there when he. His first jury ever put on its in this case. That's I don't know the glass about seven inches thick. It's worth I think it got insured at four hundred thousand dollars. It's like the centerpiece of it, man. But you forget my brother, and I were talking about I post picture, my brother, and I ended up the press thing at the Rogers arena where the Oilers do all the interviews. You forget that Wayne Gretzky if you look at the just breakdown numbers, he's the most dominant athlete in any sport of all time. If you when you look at the numbers now, I might just be high off this Edmonton oiler ride, and this is a fresh can of paint behind me some getting a little high. But if you look at these numbers compared to Jordan compared to bow jet, whoever you wanna do whoever Bo Jackson boundaries career short, whoever you want to put anyone you want in there. You look how down he is. It's Wayne Gretzky men. That's current. But you Wayne Gretzky. His numbers. It will never be broke. Will they won't even fuck in touch. It. Totally forgot about it. I don't use good. And I know he has that. No disrespect. Great one. I remember you. Remember his dime piece daughter that did the dime me piece. She so forgot who Tom about that snowing angel chin the snow angel. I'm pretty sure she married to Ben Johnson the the golfer boring. He's balling, though. Paulina to Paulino holler at your mother fucking. Boy. She's I will be your polar bear girl. Gosh smoking dog, and none of his kids play hockey. It'd be tough to be his kid. Yeah. And play hockey your dad's Wayne fucking Gretzky. You're like fuck it, man. Good. God. She is she's like thin and thick at the same time. That makes it he said looking I'm looking I'm a like engine. That's amazing woman. But still we can appreciate it. I issue made Ben Johnson. If you're Ben Johnson, you'd better be winning because you, you know, damn well, Dustin Johnson, Dustin Johnson, Dustin Johnson, you'd better be winning because, you know, damn well when it comes around the holidays, and you gotta meet the great one, very no losers at that dinner table, son. You better be fucking winning. Dude, I'm telling you. It was crazy. They had video of Wayne Gretzky when he was a kid on ice skates. His dad had ice like mini ice rink in the backyard, he groped playing he was seventeen zits all sorts of shit. The guy who's taking tour was his personal. I don't say handler. That's that's disrespectful to to the guy show surround. He was so cool. But he he was he he basically documented his entire life in all these pictures. She guy behind with camera and that was the guy shows the tour his wedding. He had all this shit is crazy, man. Nice. But when you look at the numbers, it is insane. How dominant Wayne Gretzky was looked at up. He was not a hockey fan. Mirai brother. I couldn't believe it. Now, I'm going to get a framed when Gretzky jersey to put in my basement, the nothing, but respect for fucking Wayne Gretzky and Paulina Gretzky girl flare I wasn't there some sort of scandal with her. Not that. I know of God, I thought there was in Wayne Gretzky was pissed something came out. Maybe she's taking really racy photos. Maybe God bless her though when your dad's Wayne Gretzky, man. Yeah. It was something going. She's just something on Snapchat. Got you imagine if you're dating her. What was like I met. Ronnie Lott's daughter who is a straight up ten smoke show. And she was dating a football player who played in the NFL forget his name. I thought God if you're that guy meant, and he got a fucking come home. And Ronnie, lots are dad, you better be balling men. You can judge the shit out of you the shit out of you. Yes, she did something, but she is. Anyways, frozen Queen she's hot. Yeah. She is made women chin backup, dude. She's engaged. I looked at. All right. Never say never never say over. Let's get you badminton. I don't know she lives in that train. I think the great one actually lives in LA. I love cold weather too. So it's perfect the wall and you'll love it there because it is fucking freezing. Go back to the original. Yeah, she was she's a bee's man shot out to Edmonton shot up to Canada. I do a lot more shows in Canada. He has a great man is absolutely great cool to run that many shows before my special I need that so bad. So bad men got my confidence from Edmonton. So it's a good thing. So shut out that I will go there every year. You have my promise. I don't know if I'll do that same venue might get bigger venue. But I will be admitted rear that so much. I loved it there. I will go on that tore every goddamn here. Just appreciate the great one. I feel like all you foxy go on that tour. I it's a disservice to Wayne Gretzky if you don't I need any LA kings, Wayne Gretzky jersey. Yeah. I'll tell you what bring up I'll and I'll get off Gretzky's nuts and his daughters titties after this. But bring up to anyone in Edmonton. When they traded Wayne Gretzky to the LA kings brokenhearted still holding grudges over it felt like the judge me because I'm from L A until I had nothing to do with the trade bring that up in with any to anyone and they are not. Cool about it at all feel super disrespected. But that being said Oilers, my favorite NHL T. Now, I'm ruined for God damned on what you guys to win here frozen water fucking giant mall and the admit oil as you guys need it. Yes. Fucking need it shot at Ted Minton finding saw the movie venom on the plane. How'd you like it? Have you seen it? Nobody heard so many. It's either they love it or do. They hated it. That superhero movies, dude. You got the hard core SU there's not a movie alive that's gonna satisfy them. And they're going to critique the shit out of it. And then it's always somewhere in the middle. It was good. It was entertaining. Others entertaining. I wish you'd been more gory. Because when when I think of venom, he's my favorite one of my coaches, a kid clicked all the venom comics, he was he's a bad ass. So in the a lot of people did die. But like the is data show any blood. There's no blood was kind of bothers me. I know it's four kids kind of but have to show a little bit. There was no blood. How? Did you like his way looked everyone's complaining about the way he looked under? Yeah. Yeah. He looked pretty fucking cool out. I'd wanna see more of it. Oh, any and what else I liked is? Because in the comics he's fucking big. 'cause matter venom in the terrible Spiderman three Spiderman three the little guy. I like that guy. But he was so small then has jacked the Veneman. This is jacked three cool. It was good. I was entertained but my flight land, I'm like damn hopeless movie. Ends before my flight lands. Like, I almost want the fight going low longer side missing the movie. Wow. And that Dan, they they tease spoiler. They tease Woody Harrelson as carnage. No idea who carnage you don't shop. I it's a bummer rent. I know everyone in his bummed out function. I didn't know who wants to be honest when I saw the commercials. I thought they created that character a you shitting outlying are you fucking small, dude. I'm all were you braised in North Korea. What do you mean you've never heard of venom never never never until the movie came never heard of Cartagena? Of course, not vitamin right? Was. Jump stations over yet. No shooting for Spiderman every American Spiderman and then the playoffs. I missed. I saw the. Let's see what games yesterday. I saw the chiefs game so cheese game on Saturday. Think saw Hong just go ham. And then I saw the very end. So I saw the chiefs beat the colts kind of handled the work in home deem. Throw a touchdown pass. They're going to be trouble. And then Cowboys Rams thought that was gonna be the most competitive game. And then I was surprised the patriots beat the shit out of the chargers charges beating them. But. Didn't happen. The fuck and patriots man list. I appreciate greatness. And I I'm a huge fan of Tom Brady. I just I'm just I don't know. I'm just sick of them. I'm just sick of 'em every year than the God damn at least a FC Chaim chip if not the Super Bowl, I'm just over it. You know, you don't like that greatness. I do. But I just I don't know what it is. I root for Tom Brady. But I don't root for the patriots. I want Tom Brady to ball out because he is you know, if not the greatest one of the greatest, so I appreciate that. I always root for greatness. But I don't know the patriots just boring this year. It's impressive. What Brady's doing that team? But I don't want to chief to go all the way I think now. Well, besides my LA Rams when I say Miley Rams Manila. So you'll hear from sandy herd of they're always gonna be the same chores on go. Fuck what you say the charges out? They were my team. So now I'll root for the Rams I think they can get done against the saints. But she's versus the Rams or cheese. As I the Saint is one hell of a Super Bowl keep the fuck in patriot there that is a boring one, my boy, big big, Nick. Big dick, Nick, gotta get out of Philly. Right. He's out. Let's be real. He's out. Hey, Broncos sign them when eat somebody signed fuck in big dick, Nick, man. He so out to in the interview that what's going to happen? He's like, you know, I love Philadelphia's when a great, but you know, yet three starters in the God damn court. He didn't say God damn because he's so religious. He so religious makes Tim tebow. Look like flavor of flame. He's so religious. He didn't say that. But he's definitely out Intel just fucking over it. He's over at man. Good weekend. Overall, did miss some of the playoff games, but I caught the highlight cut the ending fourth quarter. This is the best time for football playoff football. So she AFC GM ship NFC champ ship. The divisional games are the best good time to be a NFL fan. And you don't watch any of it Jin. So fuck it. Just fuck it man in here. Does right, Dan, you watch NFL stuff NFL? Nick foles in what your high school, breezy and just utter. God damn that's a good class, man stuff. Nick foles wreck basketball game you stuff Nick foles a game. Damn. She talked shit too. No. Is there video of it in my head? I'll take it though. I'll take it big dick Nixon about to get paid. I heard big dick Nick, you know, who coined him big, dick, Nick. And it's true. I guess he just has this behemoth of a bible, dick. He's known as big big dick, Nick because he has a big dick for a few reasons that and he always shows up the big games of the big, dick. But barstool, I think are the ones who labelled him big, Nick. He's so religious from my understanding and correct me Robbie from barstool. My boyf- kissy. Correct me if I'm wrong, DM me or text me pretty sure he called barstools a came in. This isn't the message. I give out I do God's work, and that's doesn't include big Dicks fellas brochure. Why is that against religion? It's just like he eagles around the world preaching about Jesus. You know, anything's wrong with that at all. But I think he's like do his it took. I I just call me. And my Brooklyn big Nick like the straight up big, dick, Nick, like, I don't I don't even know his last name was false for the longest it's gone. Big dick like, my brother's like damn. I can't wait see big dick like, I know like, we don't even think we can't wait to see big like, we're at Earls. And there was a bunch of sit around. Jay goes Tam pig. Dick plays good tomorrow. And like what the fuck and like you talking about Nick. Yeah. That's right. That's just that. We know man. Pretty sure his team or someone of his representatives called barstools. A you gotta chill out on the big dick Nick thing. You're going to be big dicta me, though, always did always big week, man. Busy week busy week. We're going to be doing to below the belts episodes this week. One will be a bonus for the Browner responding pack Yao which happens Jenny nineteenth this Saturday in Las Vegas, Nevada. So when do a bonus one with that we'll be breaking down that all week with some experts guys who are way smarter when it comes to the sweet science and then. Yeah. Man, shooting special this Saturday you come in Jenner. You got you thought you save tickets mean cat got you did think you do. I got you in. Yeah. Yeah. The cat's out the bag. Joe Rogan is opening up for me and Brian coun-. Hell I was keep that quiet. Whenever Joe's doing anything for me. I figured he'd keep it quiet. But he announced on his podcast so figured we're good to go. Awesome. So you got Rogin Callan opening up in San Diego this Saturday less than one hundred tickets left, originally, they both sold out. But because the camera crew they have to Mark off certain areas, right because there's Shuna a comedy special Showtime. So if the Mark off certain areas, and then once he gets out to they. All right. Well, we don't need this many. So then the more seats, and so there's one hundred more tickets released total for both shows all but the most tickets I've ever sold them one night ever. It's going to be huge, man. I'm like nervous for you. But I don't wanna make you nervous by saying that such a huge day. Man, it I mean it sitting. It's it's exciting. It's exciting. But I've done this one hour of the frame of the one out. It's changed a lot of it has changed, but the the concepts and the the certain bits, I've done something similar this. You know over a hundred thirty times now. That's the way it goes, man. That's the way it goes. And even by by Saturday. Something's a change. I'm running the one hour Friday at flappers in Burbank. I've been there you've been to flash rice. I think. Yeah. Really? Yeah. It's comedy club. Not. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I've been the flappers and downtown me and my boys going get flapped off. What would you who'd you see there? Just one of my friends did like the open, Mike, Mike one. How do you do she? She did cool. Yeah. Twice. That's cool. So we might joys awkward your friends are there. Yeah. Another commentator hating you because everyone's starting. Yeah. Gift for her though. I've never been to flappers by need somewhere to do my. 'cause it's weird. Some guys will take the week off. And then shoot the special. Some guys will just it's all preference. I have. I think six six six bucks. We'll be busing. No. No just getting I six sets around LA comedy store in other places. The all this week. I've set tomorrow at two Tuesday net comes door was the night. Thursday at comedy store, then Friday night at flappers, but flappers I'll be running my one hour. So come on out, Burbank, if you can't make San Diego if you around their layer coming up to flappers one shown Lii one night flappers Burbank that is Friday night. Tickets are on sale right now. Yes, sir. I'm excited, man. I'm super excited. Actually, can't wait. Can we did see the the giant theater? The setup the stage all my friends and family coming big club. Have you met club before? Yes. Because I meant it. We were saying the same table when you're talking about his dig being broken. Yeah. Pointed right to like, that's. Hates his wife. Listen to podcasts and that happened when he just single man hilarious. Yep. Print club if you guys and he's gonna hate me even more. Now, he's the I who broke his back in the day. And I had to the one who tell them how to fix it. And it didn't work is bad advice. Internal bleeding. We try to line that puppy backups, and that the way Dick's worked people. I was young. I was on educated about the way broken Dick's work, and I did him harm and his dick is still to this day. I'm sorry club. I'll see you Friday, though. But you man. Yeah. It's a big. I can't. I'm just the excitement yet. My outfit ready to go. I got I picked up my shoes from my boy the shoe surgeon on Thursday, we're doing all access thing. Like a lead up to Showtime. I'll axis thing which will come out right before the special. So they'll be with me to pick up the shoes. It's gonna be great, man. It's fucking great. I can't wait. I'm excited. Everyone's on this journey with me, and it's gonna be some special because it is a comedy special. Other than that. Besides me shoot a comedy conversation on Saturday. There's some big fight on Saturday. The first ESPN fight card with Henry pseudo overs. T J dillashaw the super fight at one twenty five is happening, and that's on ESPN. Plus for the first time the P limbs are on regular ESPN. And then the pre prelims on ESPN, plus not confusing at all in two thousand nineteen. Why not just make it easy? And just put all of them on fuck in one spot. I also. I would have done the first one on regular ESPN. This should be on regular spin to get everyone familiar with you have see in the SP and platform and then during that broadcast pump the shit out of the digital platform of ESPN, plus this confusing. Like a bunch of me what you spend like to have ESPN. Plus, I get it. You're on the shit. You don't know how it works. But it's gonna be tough to fall. Well, we have an on in the in the in the green room to watch this. It's a good car. It's a great card, especially for free. It's a stat card. I'm so curious how many people are gonna find their way to the PIN plus platform in the beginning of be tough. Man. I see I don't think. So I think out of all the sports NFL NHL NBA soccer. Whatever sport, you, watch, tennis, golf, whatever hockey out of all the sports the UFC has the best fan base eighteen to thirty six can fall along digitally because the this sport was created on the underground on the forms of the internet, and they're gonna and that's why also think this sport because pay per views. No one suffers more from a legally streaming than the UFC because it is a a younger kind of brainier fan base. Who knows what the hell's going on comes to digital streaming? True. I mean, I think there be able to find it the the hardcore easy going to be able to find the common fans get that's where it can be tough. But that's why you see stas pay per view. Yeah. Because they're not banking on just this platform. Yeah. The one thing. I was the reason I was confused was remember when we're out there on FX, Fox Sports one and Fox Sports two and there'd be this thing where they jump back and forth. I would not be able to find it. And I'm like a hardcore was a nightmare you turn on and be like women's basketball like Baylor overs fucking SMU. Like what the hell when this is over? Stay tuned. You'll see fight night. God damn it cut the women's basketball game for the start of the USC. Let's be real here. No one's jumping to the channel looking. What's that hate to be shitty? But that was terrible. It happens so often to buy car racing. I always Qarase about like pop up out of nowhere. I think me a little more professional about hope. So he'll be on us. But that's not a knock on FOX. I just you know, they were learning as as the. Was learning. And then, you know, by the time, you get things nail down the UC's out. You know? Try benefit everyone FOX signed WW and ESPN got forgiven. The ac- I think he's gonna be good. I'm excited for it. I'm really excited. They're on ESPN makes sport really legit really official. So you got that on Saturday night stat card? We'll get to that later in the show. And then you also got frigging Manny Pacquiao Adrian Brunner is Saturday night as well in Las Vegas, Nevada. What are wait a championship at the world WBA? Here's the thing about this fight when it was originally announced, and I told this to my guy Brian daily and the rest of the Showtime crew as it's all right? Like doesn't I'm gonna stop my night just to to watch his fight. Then as the fight gets closer. I'm really excited for it. I'm super excited for it. I think there's either guy, you know, it's a fork in the road for for both the fighters whoever wins this fight goes on. I can't confirm this. But I would bet. A ton of money. I'd bet my entire shoe collection into winner. This price fights Floyd Mayweather. Interesting. He's never gonna go away on it. Just doesn't make sense for them to go away. But let me ask you guys. This. Would you rather see Manny Pacquiao overs Floyd Mayweather too? Or agent Browner Adrian Browner, and that's why I think I find myself rooting for Adrian Brodie during this kind of this build up a ridge Isaac, many pack, y'all day, I like many pack nicest guy ever, and then we watch all access as I watch Jim Boehner I find myself siding with him for some reason takeout all his shenanigans outside of the ring with his bullshit going on yet to court dates all that stuff. I don't know, man. I find myself rooting for agent. Browner nothing is worse than wasted talent. He's one of the most talented guys to ever enter that ring in it's kind of been a nightmare, man. He's never had that marquee win whose biggest win. Paulie Mellon Ozzy? You look at his loss. As yet. Some. He's had some rough losses man, you know, Marcus m-. My my Donna fight was rough my data kind of do the same thing to Floyd Mayweather, some people thought may won that fight. He's just a nightmare of a match up when he goes forward. And that's after now's after Browner beat Pauley Pauley Nause to thirteen a little bit a while ago. Be you'll get his losses Marco's loss doesn't thirteen. So I next big fight Shawn porter loss, even though he did drop them. They thrown then, you know, then he builds back up. That's how he does it. He builds builds gets a big time fight loses built builds big time fight loses. Bills bills builds Mikey Garcia, which why the fuck did. You fight him. Of course, you're gonna lose. My care. CO loses. How to draw his last fight? And then now he gets the biggest fighters career biggest name of his career, many pack. Yeah. Huge fight, man. And I I do I don't I find myself rooting for Adrian Brodie. He's never had that key win. He's never had that big big time win also marking things a nightmare. When he says, I'm doing it for the hood. No one has come from more poverty. The manufacture. We talked about doing from the hood the ghetto come from straight poverty. No one is from a poor area, and a rougher upbringing, the many pack, yo if anyone should be doing for the hood. It'd be Benny pack you for God's sakes. Look where he's from. He didn't have shoes his trainer who's severely obese is. That's his head. Trader was his best friend. That's his trainer. They both didn't have shoes in the Philippines, for God's sakes. I've been watching all access there's some funny clips this year. We got some clips. Yeah. Some some of the funniest wants to me were this is very may whether like in this way, I want Adrian Boehner in may whether to fight. The one where it's Boehner is getting ready for the fight. But he's in the club on New Year's Eve doing his got empty. This is very Mayweather play this worship. On New Year's Eve. Perhaps this is where one would expect to find Adrian Bruin. However in the out, it'd be is sober as can be. More focused than. The big climate night rate, right? Very Mayweather, very may whether it's yeah, I'll get more into the breakdown. When when we do the bonus episode. I just with Browner the par for for me with Browner. I don't know why feel for the guy I wanted to win when they showed us his kids in this because they show him with his kids. Hitches? I got him. I think Browner suffers from mental mental health issues. Yeah. Big time at the health issues. And I think he even goes on more than just you can chop it up to brain Trump's. I'm like that you could do that. I think he's always heard from this. And when you watch the access they it it's even funny when they show him as a kid. Crazy talented, right? When the youngest Ford event jams all time. But even as a young kid, man, he just said this Chrismas about them the interview them, and they asked him as you knew because I know price sell drugs like God damn tune. It was it's a rough, you know, rough upbringing him. Yeah. And you got to wonder is it because he's always had bad. People around them is the people around him or him. I'll see the common denominators him or or does. He just have good people around him. Does. He push people wake is out assume Floyd Mayweather was a good mentor out assume, especially when comes the box and business who where did that go south. Remember what he's doing those videos? There's even a suicidal video and shit member that you got into hark man, you got dark. Maybe that's the reason I cheer for Browner feel for the guy you need, the marquee win pack yells done at man pack, as one of the greatest of all time, whether he gets knocked out in one second or if he wins this fight once I it does not matter. He's his Agassi's cemented. He's good to go and the show packing. I love how pack as a family, man. And I would be the exact same way. If I still finding where he wants all his friends and family around. He's in LA his all his kids around his boys around. There's good food. A lot of guys like to get you. Go off in their own isolate like fury does a lot of fighters do overtake share. It does a lot of just isolate themselves. John Jones GSP some of the best ones always would get away from the family and friends, I pack now, it's a lonely fucking journeyman. When I'm training when I'm done with that. I want to come home be thrown by love pack out surrounded by it and this show, what's it's about pack. Yeah. To is. He's a guy who does show me people depending on them. There's so many people depend they show him getting ready to go on his run in the Philippines and every morning. I think is it every morning every morning or maybe it's just Saturdays. I don't know. But he does a fricken blue plate special of giving out money. And there's a line down the street of people's he everyone just his shows on the countdown on the all access his his boys yourself a ton of cash, and they they give it to everybody waiting in line. It's such poverty. That's what he does his so many people banking on. And then even that play this clip Chinh, they show him ready. Buys a thousand tickets for guests. I'm assuming they give them some sort of deal. Tickets for fight night range into four figures, which means this bag is worth. It's waiting gold. That was the most. I don't get the Woody thing was Woody in. Hold on plazas. Why is the grown man have a Woody toy inside the back? What worry me? No. That was already doll. You. Why would you have a Woody doll with abandon on it with all these tickets on it? That was weird to me most expensive Woody value of all time, he the only Woody bag. I've seen a grown man carrying of all time. Why do you have that, sir? I would not want my take that Woody bag. What do you bags or white vans? Stay the fuck away from my kid, man. Stay the funkaway. I'm Gary how good deals on tickets. I wonder how much does take its Gus thousand tickets. Let's just say the average price of that tickets how much hundred dollars probably. At for boxing. That's cutting short right park. I'm Shannon average. Yeah. A lot of money many pack yells ball, and I think overall out wants that pro many pack you out crowd there in Las Vegas a thousand tickets. That's insane. He's let let this finish. Is that it it gets? It's over at thou. Awesome. Think it's edition friends. One of these purported forty-seven hold hold on hold on pause that that that's the guy with the Woody bag the fake Filipino accent. This guy. The Woody bag and he's dressed like Woody. What rewind that why is he talked like that? Look at this guy's clearly American, white churches. For four hundred forty seven what why talk like many pack CAL's. Why are you making many back from fucking Kentucky? Looks like who is that guy. We get to the bottom of this. I don't like him. I don't trust you. I don't know if he's part of the Showtime team does anyone know who that guy is in here. No, we don't. So he's not part of the team super suspect with the fake Filipino accent the shitty Woody bag, and then you just can't around this many tickets. That was weird. They're weird. I to be the takeaway weird as fucking all access. Why's it grown man have Woody bag dress like Woody from Toy Story that has a fake Filipino accent? He's from fuck in Maryland. Very strange. Yeah. Super strange, very strange. That was pretty much the video at the those video. Yeah. That was the highlight of the video to not even buying a thousand tickets right now fucked up, man. Yeah. The only other big thing off, many pack. Your Freddie Roach beef there they did split. 'cause Freddie, which I agree with didn't think Manny could be a government official and still train at a high level. And he I guess he criticized Manny got back to Manny many like all right? I'm out. But now they're back together. That's good really no drama there. And then I agree with Bronner on this. So they do the open workouts, and they won't have it. It's in LA, and they wanted to have it at the wildcard gym where trains hers like I'm not fucking going there. Why would I go to an enemy territory where they can see me? So he does his own workout. That's the only other thing. Right on right on right autumn except for fight. Again. We're going to straight up real breakdown with some experts as a bonus episode, which should be fun. My missing anything. They're not really really right stuff. I don't know why found myself rooting for a gym owner. I don't know. Why couldn't tell you what I think 'cause you the kids I think ever since you had a kid many pack counts like nineteen kids and his best friend shows. Fucking fake. Filipino sells tickets that Woody bag what that is weird. Yeah. But did they show his kids in his many pack out? Yeah. He has nineteen kids reminds act like him, and he kisses a nonstop. He's a great family guy. Do do you? Remember, wild, many pack. Yo our while my pack yo before he got starts by Marquez. He was while an out strip clubs gambling STD's astound. Go hall, dude. Just bust in Filipino nuts air with everywhere. And then he lost and Wentz fuck in one eighty and got super religious ran for government changes life. I think he was better when he is wiling out. But that man, all right. Some current events. Do we've got a few. Yes. Indeed. I don't know why this is news. But it seems like it's a funny. Bit of news, the CFCC after a fight John Jones. I'm going all over the place my bed. So John Jones after his fight with Gustafsen. They tested him, and he's clean. So there's no zero like pimco grams, I don't happen to the molting. I don't know. I h just people like what's up now Shaab what the fuck namic? What do you mean? It's called microdosing and he don't test hot afterwards. Value system. Is it again? It's all too convenient. For me, the best fighter of all time. Has these issues is just too convenient for me? I'm not an expert. I'm not it's too convenient for me. All right. Cool. It came back clean go. Yeah. No shitty. Did they so they did something? Right. Right. Cool, man. What else you got? Well, this is just Jones re reacting to that. How many people you buys there were for two thirty to do you know, how much they were a seven hundred hundred. Yeah, exactly Senator thousand so for you. I think I said it was going to be around seven hundred I think either seven tonight seven eight or nine. Yeah. Wide range Brennan. No. That's actually a good range. So what did he say? So after finding out that it was seven hundred thousand buys. He says love me hate me as long as people care. I'm good. But then he deleted it right off. I wonder why delete that his management was like deleted or Dane was like delete debt shit. I dunno. He used to delete, text or whether Instagram posts all time delete things anymore. Now once you do it. There's no there's no going back. Civil ridge good. It does it blow. Everyone's hair back. I mean, it's not like sound like, you know, what? What where they're at now in this day and age of pay per view, it solid. But it's not you're not a Connor. You're not a Rhonda. You're not a bra. There's not. It's it's solid for sure I think maybe this is surprising because the negativity, but again, you have see does not care if the press comes from negative, whether you're Greg hardy, and you beat up women, and now your headline ESPN card, you're on the card. You're combing of anything or your John j-o-h-n you failed steroid test. And we're gonna move the fight to LA from the Vatican. We can't Sankt Associati either way it's making news and soon get crossed over to the the regular folk and they're going to buy the paper per view. That's all they care about. It's true. I mean, you're saying like if the one way you can prove point is not by if you really wanted to prove you guys ain't gonna do shit shit. Yeah. Crawl you want? This is ridiculous to sports loot. Cool. Man. I told you I'm going to watch it. Yeah. I told you I feel about I'm going to critique all shit. I'm I still watch it. But he has complained about fighters pay and John Jones is on fair and. Frigging? I can't believe that put Greg hardy on Saint card as it's chairs. You're not gonna do shit in Kreil you want you not gonna do shit. I'm gonna legal stream at Brown at doesn't matter. It doesn't matter though. What else you get? It. Doesn't matter to the people that are actually going to pay. It doesn't matter. Your see? Thank you, very cool, man. Seven hundred thousand. There you go. It can do shit. I thought this is funny. Anderson Silva, he was arguing to have TRT back. Yeah. No shit older fighters like veto in himself. He's like these guys would still be fighting. If we had the extra stuff, he's not lying, Ted. This is so funny that he's like campaigning for right now. It's hilarious. It's never gonna happen. Now with you Sada hanging around the name to John Jones, but he put some athletes who make use of the hormonal replacement. This is hilarious. I think he'd be Saudi Arabia late that we'd have the sport at a high level with athletes have stopped fighting. There's a reason I know forty you can't fight. There's a reason why Joe Montana's asked hanging down to his ankles. He's not doing football's anymore. Father time. That's the way it works, man. He put v door, for example. Even me though, I never had replacement bullshit, but some athletes who really need it who are older. Dan, Henderson, many others who have stopped it have stopped because this young man. Yeah. Although the interview was published on Tuesday the date when it was connected. All right. Got you got slain then. Yeah. Yeah. I'll say this, though, even if in silver had all the TRT in the world all the picograms grams in the world Staubach still gonna start them. Yes can me super to for Anderson. I listen, I'm with under sills. Emerson civil let those guys do it Cooman. What else yet? All right. So Tito Ortiz is retired. But who's been talking about doing a rematch with shell son in an chills also kind of like playing playing with it too. Well, there you go Anderson where you're saying about not there you go. You wanted the TRT masters division. There you go get starts by style bender. Then there's that for you. You could do that. I is he went into the channel Tito stuff. I don't know. I mean, you there's a market for it. I it doesn't do anything for me. Yeah. It's a little weird. And then Tito says chill started it as Chuck started. And Chuck only lasted what four and a half minutes called me out, man. I'm gonna stay in retirement. I'm still going to stay retired. I'm gonna. I do. I'm gonna stay retirement. I'm still gonna stay retired. I wanna smash jail. I'm not gonna choke him. I'm not going to submit him. I'm gonna smash them put on a show for everyone of the fans. That's why went. But you said you retired. Yeah. That fight will probably happen. I mean jail priory re-signed with a belt or hopefully did that she keep them. What else they were saying if it did happen? It would happen there for sure. Yeah. Please don't do golden jail. Asakusa back onto about the whole golden boy stuff. How Tito's fans are all in LA, but he couldn't sell it out and they had to give tickets away. And it's still did that he was just talking smack children the silt this one. So as you know, Tom would lease fighting loose Husson and sew Kobe covington's left in the dust and Kobe went on air show. And you'll saying a lot of crazy stuff like telling Dana to fire him like dare him to fire me love, it Dane is not going to. But this is also part of the game where you want that CNN punk kind of bad blood between the boss who calls the shots and Dana knows his skin cell. So he's not going to cut them. I I have my take on this. Why they kinda screwed Kobe come over when I say screw them over. I heard they offered Kobe come into in multiple fights. Use many turned it down because he was like. Nope. I'm only fight Woodley. So then when it came time for willy to fight there. Like, I was deuce, man. I I think there's more going on. I think it has less to do with Coby. Coby company has more to do with Woodley. I think Woodley in Dana. They'd never get along. They've never they never liked him as champion. I think they think he's holding up the division at one seventy. And I think do you have see what with who? Because they think he's a worse matchup for Woodley. I think they wanna get Woodley out of there. That's what they're showing him the worst matchup possible. I think co Kobe come to as good as he is isn't that tough of a stylistic matchup for Woodley, and they wanna make things tough Ron Woodley. So they gave him loose men which and I love who's been. He's my show in Palm Beach Florida shutout to Houston. He's amazing fucking fighter. But when I when I think of that stuff, and I could be completely wrong by stuff. I always root for the other guy. I always root for Woodley. I think he's a phenomenal champion. I think they don't give him the praise that they should you. You go back to few podcasts. Go months ago. I go on that rift about Woodley. I think they've really dropped the ball with what they're doing with Woodley. And I think this move is to try to get Woodley out his champ at one seventy. That's why this is all happening. They don't care about Colby. They don't care about who's been. They what they want to do is get Woodley out of there. So then get fresh blood in that one semi pound division flying. Because there's a lot of lot of frigging superstars there. I think Woodley hold it up, which he doesn't. I wonder why they hate him. Then like that much. Do we don't have time to go into it. What else you got for? Kobe it sucks because here's the other thing. What does then turn belt mean these days nothing? Nothing. Nothing. Means absolutely nothing. All right. Good news. Rosena June is is coming back to fight. Jessica on drudge a UC to thirty seven days, not doing her any favors Brazil. Yeah. So yeah, he had a good onto Brazil plus on a away. Worse matchup stylistically than you Ana for rose. Rose ratio on. I saw twice right on drudge is a fucking tank, man. That's a tough fight for for rose awfully ruin for rose in this that is a fucking fun five th all right, fun fight. I wish they weren't doing in Brazil. But I'm sure rose doesn't give a shit which they were doing Vegas Mike that I love that fight though. I also heard Kobe restrained till is what's next for Kobe. Rumors rumors. Yeah. Because here so they're not doing Kobe any favors give them Dan till I don't think he'll even take it. He's he's like adamant about not taking anything. You'll have it doesn't work that way. Both get. Here's here's why it doesn't work that way. I and I appreciate Kobe standing for it. And how he's going against the grain. He goes you guys me this and he's deserved a shot. He he's beat. He beat the guys swim. Be and he beat him before and showed the game plan. How to beat those guys who's been beat those guys after so, I'm I I think Kobe whole hardly deserves a. Fight. But Kobe isn't a huge kind of pay per view draw that other guys are when you make these demands do you have see doesn't listen. So when he goes, I'm only waiting for show. You like we don't give a fuck. We got these other guys mid seventy it's full of killers, man, they're all chomping at the bit to get up there. So we during tells a big big fight for anybody. Take him. You don't want him. All right, man. All right. We'll leave it on the shelf. The circus keeps on keeping on unless you're a green elephant like Conor McGregor or you're the dark elephant like John Jones that circus does not stop. They don't listen to what your complaints are. They don't. And you and you get punished you get punished by either a not fighting be being put on ESPN, plus under cards or see in the worst matchup ever dared till ENA will match up for fucking Colby, man. Big name not favorable. What else you got? This here. So, you know, McKenzie Dern. Yon tuna Shing way, I'm piece we're talking about nine p sec he's missing weight. Well, remember, she wants to that performance institute kind of work on her to see if she can still stay at fifteen. She gets cakes. So she's gonna stay at one fifteen according to multiple sources at Erla wanna talk to God. She's like fuck it, man. Just want to kill myself, not eat and our last five she she was like eight pounds or seven over. But there's a lot going on her camp stuff like that. But still people go through a lot of shit. She's a little force to be reckoned with though, man, I root for the girl benign. I she should just go up for God's sakes. But all right. If she does miss the next one, that's it. Right. She makes an edge one. They're either gonna threaten the say. Hey, if you don't fight at a weight up, we're gonna cut you the one thing they do not fuck with people miss, wait. You miss Wade is the were you you. It'd be better fail for picograms. The miss wait. Then we go. Fuck feel for picograms. You must wait. You're in trouble. Yeah. Super professional peo- grams conflicts with what else yet. All right. So this is a weird one Connor kinda just went at could Bieb and paulie Melania G in Pali. Yeah. Brought up again, he posted one video, you know, the interview with them like they're walking through the the press area. Yes. I was there. And then poly just runs them. All right. Well, let's just play this for the audio. I told you. Number balls com. Get over did you fall? Win your both all. When you bitch. That's my favorite grit. That that that's Curie him them up. Real quick was funny about this is behind seen. So Paul remember probably was working that fight. So when he did this like shit, man. So it was like on the fence. If is the too involved with situation, but PA is a professional professionals still work the fight and killed it. He's he's one of the best amazing wish you give up whole Connor thing. But but now Connors going at him. I don't know is he trying to get that fight. I don't fuck. It's weird. Is it seems like this is just completely random to fishing? He's fishing for his night citing waiting weeks. He's going at him and could be so hold on. He put this is from Conor McGregor Instagram. Let the record show I like Paul Email. Now you here's a confrontation peanuts. We're going to picture he's upset about. Yes. You heard their eight a picture. I told him here does face. Don't be bitching, common knowledge. I think for fighting man don't be a bitch bitching, the same thing. I said it could be at the end of round three. My round don't be bitching every single round bitching to the referee. He was even bitch in the fourth round for the mount position it baffled me if anyone should have been saying anything referee should be me in the first round round. He held onto my legs for four minutes straight, correct with zero activity. Correct. I agree with that. But a fight is a fight who gives a fuck crying to the referee like a proper bitch shoutout to proper proper bitch. I was trying to dig my fingers through his Adam's apple many vision. The fight business. I've learned lately are absolute bitches. I know us our broke boys. But don't be broke bitches bitches there. Yes. Some point. Oh, here's some points there. So after that for whatever reason Nate Diaz responded he'd made these long so Barbara for grown men here. We go. What he's could be put you will live with the shame all your life that. Okay. And then Nate Diaz jumps on Ingles. Hold my. We'd hold my joint I slapped in your head. I sat you in your head you and your team didn't do shit live with that. You're all pussies. Sure there. Oh, and then could be put you was hiding behind the English between these two is tough. You the spelling you was hiding behind security and ran away coward. It's clear on the video. We just smashed your team that night you punk. Let me see the video. Sure. And this this is Nate. Beeped on the chair his team and his team is some proved some Russians juiston savages. Okay. And then eight said be real, you know, what happened live with it. So I do think Nate slapped him and then the people separated them. So someone dug up this thing from way back whether or not it's real or not. But then said that Diaz was offered a fight. Nate was offered five of the Kabaeva turned it down. When was this two thousand fourteen a while ago? Yeah. So that was pre beast. That was pre bee's fricking can be like a B was in that Coppee bright. And Nate was Nate or no name wasn't that big either. Then. It was still a DEA. So they've always been big name Nate exploded in a superstardom. And I think surpasses brother Nick after the to Connor fights the first Connor fight for sure then the second Connor fight your he's in Delfin realm nights top five drls. So so when did they Dana poses to January eleventh two thousand eight put team team could be Nate turned the fight down. You know? You know, they always says he's never turned out a fight. He'll never turn out fight. But I guess money, whatever that's possible. What? Yeah. So they play like they never turn up fights. But I think behind the scenes if it doesn't make sense financially a lot of times that you maybe just is not that he won't fight him. But financially doesn't make sense. Yeah. I don't think they're scared of Kirby, especially at that time. It would make a lot of sense. Maybe that's a good point actually says that long ago new now now if they offered it to him now turns out we got him, but to fourteen hundred give a shit church who'd want it's like it's like people signed to fight the beat right now. Like in three years when Jesus Christ who the fuck swings a beat. And I'm sure there's a lot of guys turn onto fights beat definitely the hormone monster. A little bit. Like this another one that car is going out is frost hobby. So you know, frogs as these breakdowns on. Yeah. Okay. So he's them on YouTube. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. He's one of the best minds in the game, Shannon arouse. He was saying that, you know, younger max Holloway. He understood why you didn't Bikaner at the time. But now the how much he's grown how much better he is. He would beat them, and they caught a responded to that. He so he didn't attack Conard all he just doing a breakdown of you know, Ashby show since so upset but Conor McGregor him. I yeah. Yeah. Listen, he he's not he selling a shitload a whiskey, but that's about it. Right. So he's not fighting. So he's going to be online. So he sees all this stuff or his fans. Are someone's like dude see for us so fighters so sensitive they're going to lash out. So he put hey, FAS young man afraid to get in and fight himself. Stop talking about me like, you know, me you twerk or what age why not where you're in their yourself. Or are you not up to? You rent dorms and hit a clock for living. Shut your pie kid. I don't see the breakdown. But. He put I think Hollywood really taking the later rounds the blueprint for a mcgregor's more stood by the roster. They fight it for the guy disagree with fraud. Farrah's on that. I don't think there's a blueprint to beat McGregor. What would be the brute blueprint because we've seen them see him face a fucking big Nate Diaz that he won one lost one. And that was at seventy so throw that out. And then he beat max Holloway the first time they fought the another time he had a two year layoff fought Khabib, a complete grappler, which max always not. It's a hell of a fight. And I don't know if you could say MAC hallway, just straight up beats them. It's not the same ago can't win. But I would get sixty forty MacAulay. Wow. I would have it more. Because he did be. I'd I'd have almost fifty fifty. Because he fifty five forty five. You know, it's a close. Fuck fire. Great fight though. What else you got? I thought this is cool so Frank MIR is going to go into pro wrestling, right? And not just any pro wrestling is called blood sport in its from. Josh barnett. It's his own pro, wrestling, whatever promotion. Something to do something to do. I'd rather sell hamsters of the back of my truck, whatever if if those guys like that shit. Josh Brennan knows wrestling. He does in Japan. That's do. Good for Frank man, keeps them actively in shape and no fighting. That's good. Isn't he fighting? All right. I don't know if you're doing pro wrestling, I don't know if you have a ton of options, but let's just like WWE, but Frank Frank could be accommodated these fucking blue in the face of the best in the business. I'm sure Frank Frank wants to do I'm happy. Yeah. Good for him. And. All right. I'll start over him versus Alexander Volkov. What do you think of that love that fight? So it's in the work for the Russia. Absolutely love that fuck and fight. He's ten Russia. Yeah. It's in the works. Love that fight. But as yet at on you remember hip D as I'll yeah. Well, the finally released him how many do you lose in a row for that's a lot. That's quite a bit. But he's like I was a fan favourite. Definitely one of my favorites hardcore favourite when news four I. You know, you have to have some level of. Yeah. Sure. You don't why? Well, what he says he was doing afterwards. Like, you know, when he started getting the three wins in a row, he's making a lot of money like two hundred thousand dollars the fights. He said he started living that lifestyle of one hundred thousand dollar fighter even though he started losing and owned making thirty thousand he'll still living that one hundred thousand dollar what's hot dollar lifestyle. Look like that's still Mardian like one hundred grand. If you go man, that's a lot of money. Not not not. I'm I guess I'd have to know what he came from. Yeah. I'm one hundred thousand dollars to say, you're at you know, tower, some shit and getting Bal serves that's thirty grand. And so I don't make it a hundred thirty grand. It's expensive, buddy. Maybe. Well, now, I'm telling if you want Balser you're looking at it's fucking expensive man for one night out. So if you just dropping the hundred Gs on one night, I wonder what kind of lifestyle is living because that let's say you make it one hundred grand fifty and fifty. Right. So y- tax seventy get trainers your base coming home on around sixty grand. You're not ball enough. Sixty grand a year, man. You're not in the clubs every night. Like fuck in Adrian Browner for sixty a year. Now, Dan, that's crazy. So he said that's why he went on the losing streak. Yeah. You just just party. He just wasn't taking seriously as you should have interesting. And the see you can't do that. Unless you John Jones just can't do that. What else you got? All right. Everybody's gonna go. He's I think he tagged a bunch of people like one champion belts, are whatever. Like all at me. Hopefully, get the Geika well who land I think fans enjoyed the way fights. And he's more recognizable now. All right. Have you seen teacher? For hardcore for sure so have you seen TJ dillashaw recently? What do you mean? Visit Instagram's picture I always like losing weight two hundred twenty five z shreds of anyone. Yeah. Famous to see TJ hindrance to Huda. It's another one to go to t j Henry looks on real. I know Henry looks PICO Graham worthy someone even commented. Like is he on the juice now, he's on the Jews? Gold medals Olympia. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's a special fuck in breed. A gold mouse Olympia and UFC Franken world champion one of one man. Wait, let me show you TJ Frisch quick. Because this this looks ridiculously thin to me. Arms. He he looks super thin for right? The dads that you know, TJ's a thing guy showed up to the monster chain TJ's a thing guys as it is. So when you cut that much who I like that shit. Much has iced out. He is Lena's. Fuck speed only time seem fight at one twenty five. Yeah. Divisions over. Yeah. Look at Henry who though Jesus crime ity many hulk look at the Mexican ALK. Yeah. He's never looked that ripped right and big ripped ambig- at the same time is just a freak, man. He's an absolute complete fucking freak. How about the idiots and the comets? They're always champ fake chant will well, he beat the greatest fighter of all time. Some would say winning fake champ. It's no big old mess. You fucking moron. So much slapped. Brian dot whatever. The fuck is name is Dan, Bryan dot. You take your heart pissed before. What else you got dude only got a couple more? But I think are interesting. I one cats and God is going to file an appeal for her toe to the eye has anyone ever won an appeal. No. But they have kind of a decent argument on this shit kicked in. I couldn't fight. There's like I guess there's different rules where even an elbow can like whatever sharp on your body. If it touches your I it could be a no contest was her eyelid though. That's the problem. It's not unless tonight, she turned away couldn't defend herself. I don't know. The the rules are weird right on tired sport in the unified rules are fucking weird and the judging terrible. But what this should be in Anderson's probably my favorite female side at one forty five. Should she got the window because there's no she and doing thing to really win the fight? So just because the fight stopped. She gets the win or should be a no contest. And they just. Rematch to figure out that the winner. It's very strange the way, they do it. I mean, the thing is if it was just like you said if it was a close eye, and she just kicked, and it just happened to land there and cat can continue can't buy you. Yeah. Like, what are you gonna defend yourself? So that's why we're stopping it. She won because we weren't here to stop. And you turn your back because you have a kind of guy she can beat the shit out of you. So there's that argument. So in that case, I would say than me get one. She did. Yeah. I don't know. It's probably not going to be overturned like never is captured some tough luck lately, man. Yeah. By lately, I mean, the last few years well last few years, I mean five I keep going terrible terrible. Yeah. I I guess this is pretty much lost one. So. Joanna jendrzejczyk. She did this like just a friendly little post seeing enjoying live my last minutes in Thailand. But then she tagged one championship in it. And then deleted it afterwards. Now, if you're in the or if anyone's in the NFC, and you tags another promotion without like get you in trouble. Yeah. Well, she's in you get a frown upon it. They don't really give a shit if like Connor tagged with jam ship. They've freak out with Johanna try sprite frown upon Mr. Steele, your woman that polo woman. So it's a huge deal. Did she delete her? She's lead the tag, the tack. So the Ralph Laurens still there there for motif still there. Yeah. Not a big deal. Was she going to do? Seems like she's she's out there. How to get time. So I'm from one champships shoulder around or she was training. So from one championship, I don't know. We have we actually have another one. That's pretty decent. What do you get? Fucking find it. Now, don't worry about it. What was it a good one? I got it. Do you? Do you know who Michael blocks is? Yes, hilarious, comedian stuff. Whatever is he's with past sucker. He's with pack. I now, and then you know, pack has very soft spoken. Yes. Doesn't talk shit. So he was this his interpreter to talk shit. So I just play for your quick. Gets here. Coming up with age of Brennan, you know, I just wanted. He said he's gonna knock you out. What do you think about that? What are your thoughts on a terrible question? Let's say but hard to we really meant to say is the city we're going to fuck him up. Punch minutes are chicken is nuts. They're short bitches going down. That's what you really meant to say. So you're gonna be going for the knockout Mandy that is that your shot edgy. I'm at predicting the fight. But I will do my best to do the same that my last night. We really minister medicine Bush. He really fuck this boy. Some pull shit the fuck out changes life. You're going to see by six different on the fucking ring. You don't really need this fight, you know, six different pack. Yeah. Come back him a favor. It's so I just want to both need it to give defense. Stop by. There's nobody may here's doing a fucking favor. Okay. The boys Julia's fake, no money. They've been the project. I'm just headed up to a bitch out. Known to be the most respectful fighter in the world. Are you wearing is gonna do something ratchet? He's going to try to help you or something in the in the rank with these questions are awful. It seems like it's preplanned doing that. But in the way, meant runners fucking freaks upriver, try to touch nip with rain. Go to fuck him up when he see him ain't no fucking joke. When I focus. I know that you're focused on growing. But I gotta ask you may weather's been flaws in his forty one launches you're wealthy guy. If you ever do fight Mayweather again. Would you put up anything against those watches? Do you have any thing anything expensive? You've bought that. You'd be willing to wager. Well, I have a couple of watches in my house, but I give more what about get back to the floor. And that's not what you meant what he meant to say you got fucking country behind. Got shit, but the fucking watches and a couple of houses and a couple of bitches. He's got a fucking nation shoot on him. Thanks for your time. A Harrison view so silly. Let's give way to end the chin is it diabetes on the right? It's anesthesia Yankova was she do she's a fighter for shelter. Well, aka in Thailand, that's why how dare she. Remember this chick? Jesus crime ity. Yeah. People thought she was a model. I we're we're we all right. All right. Look, you feels here. Come in his sweats. That it for the vast. That's if the current events so for the fights this weekend, you get you have see I fight on ESPN. The prelims are on a regular ESPN channels and two fights key fights here, you got my boy, my boy, Cory Santa Hagen out of high altitude martial arts fighting Mario Batista. Now. Remember he is originally supposed to by John Lineker. Belinda got hurt. I was going to put a boatload of money on Koi to be John Lineker. I think matchup is you to beat John Leneker. He still gets still gets done against my Batista. I don't know if there's even betting odds on that. But I would call he's a freak of nature. Is there? No betting odds. Other is minus four fifty I'ts a waste of your time. But yeah, he he's gonna destroy that gay. And then. Yeah, then. Yeah. Don't surani. Verse Alexander, Hernandez Hernandez. No punk at all. Why Donald does this because it's Donald being Donald makes no sense in any facet to fight this guy, but Donald's a huge Dame. And he's the main fight on the pre Lynn for ESPN. So a bunch of people are going to name. I do think Donald gets it done. Even those fight makes no sense. I think Dom knocks him out with a head kick in the second round off to your main card on ESPN. Plus, hopefully, the older people forgot how to download the SPN plus app. Are we watching the green room as I'm shooting my special in between shows in San Diego? The kickoff fight is global take servers call Robertson a lot. So I think a lot of these fights except for. I think there's only me. To maybe possibly three finishes on this main card out of the six is it six or seven fight six fights that they're on the main cards. I think love take share gets done in the second round via submission over call Robertson. Patriots in verse. Rachel 'hostage the hottest fight of all time. The Symbian sexists just is what it is the to the most attractive female fighters fighting each other and as much as I want to root for Rachel Cevic. I'm a huge fan of her, and she is an absolute gorgeous human being. And I think she really needs us west, but she deal with all the drama for husband or ex husband. Hopefully, you know, and then continue to fight even though she had a broken orbital. So you you have to root for Rachel nece you, and I think most people are a tough position for paid vent to be in. But when you just go black and white numbers number skill skill page van Zandt, everything better than Rachel does. I think page gets done via decision that'd. Be the only one that caveat could be an early finish. And doesn't go to score cards. Flyweight Joseph bene- Vitas was does not benefit has actually on deck if any suit or T J dillashaw miss, wait. He'd be the replacement there. That's why he's on the card. He's beat us. Ortiz before does it again, shouted joy Bellavia is the most stylish get in the AFC, but that's going via decision lightweight Gillette's v versed. Yancy Medeiros UNC always brings it. That's a tough and fight for him though. Also finish on that. I'll give you three finishes there. Greg hardy were sound Crowder. Dear God on Crowder do work, but it's gonna be a tough one for him. Hopefully, Alan Crowder via knockout can give two shits about that fight. And then at flyweight Henry suit of his T J dillashaw. This is a super fight. Henny Suto coming off the biggest win in his career revenge. Kind of over loosened. The Dmitri's Johnson previous that he got knocked out early in the first round as well too. So they comes back does work and beats them via decision split decision. Demisch johnson. Aichi get good give Hennessy Huda the decision. I did think he'd beat them. Those wrestling was the difference in that fight. So. Yeah. And the big takeaway from that say is wrestling, we know acceptable gold Malysz winner. But also a striking is in exceptionally better. Every five getting better better better. We. Saw the picture on Instagram them fuckers ready to go. This is the last fight and the one twenty five pound division actually tip my hat to TJ dillashaw for going down. And wait. I went twenty-five. He has all the advantages in the world at one thirty five against Henry pseudo. So I think it shows what kind of champion T J dillashaw is to go down to one twenty five is actually a heart up for him. It actually takes away some of his power and also is cardio. I think twenty five that being said t J T J dillashaw coming off a ridiculous frigging resume. You look at what he did head and Barral twice if the first one you thought was a freak accident when he TKO it ahead, kicked them. They take the short replacement knows fight against Joe Sato. Which isn't a great thing do as champion beyond the starch in hand with a head kick KO. And then they give them hadn't brow for a second time. Maybe the fuck out of him. Then they give them Donna Cruz, which he loses split decision. Lot of people thought he won that fight. Then he just goes on a tear to get. Belt back Caufield sense out. Never easy beats him. John Lineker starches him Cody Garbrandt starches him. Cody Garbrandt re-met starches him TJ does all pounds pow the greats. Does doesn't get the credit that he deserves for whatever reason I can't figure out and the one thing that makes T J dillashaw so special is he has this thing that a few guys have he has that killer instinct, he is the ultimate fucking competitor, the altering commodity, the the absolute most competitive guy to ever grace that outgun he is a fucking killer. He will do anything in there to get you other. Whether it's a head kick knocking your jaw off this weekend your knee. He does not give a fuck. It's almost dirty to certain point. You talked some old trading partners should go dude in training, so nightmare. Hell throw kicks knees elbows. It's awful to work with him because he's such competitor consumer great team. Now, he's moved his team out here to so Cal, you know, he he. With their and PICO. He trains all those monsters out there. It's his Jim. So he he's in his prime, man. And I think Henry says you pseudo as far as pure wrestling definitely about in TJ. He's own big Gomez when it comes to mixed martial arts resting inside that outgun TJ's actually about a wrestler. I think key TJ is going to be able to defend the take downs. Actor you think he's going to be able to take Kenny pseudo down late in the rounds? She surprised a lot of people, but I think is movement and the striking's give me the different. And I think TJ puts on a clinic, and I think TJ gets done via decision, but the exciting fight and two of the most technical fighters of all time and two champions competing. And I definitely get you. Tune in it's mixed martial arts at the highest highest level at this way class by far the highest level as far as talent wise. But I think TJ gets it done. Cements himself is top three pound pound for pound grades Bom. Nice. Then I'm also gonna do a bonus episode breaking down many, pack and agent. Bronner's some experts so I will. In that. But for those that aren't in the box, and you just a casual boxing fan. I like to think Adrian Brodie gets it done. I think he gets it done via decision. Freddie Roach talked about how many pack ya'll's can be more aggressive, and he's come out and because agent Brunner is a late starter. And he always comes out kind of soft out the gates, so many pack ya'll's gonna try to compliment that come out more aggressive. I think that actually plays nebr- owners hands unless you're fucking may Donna, it's it, which pack yells, not he's more technical more precise more calculate fighter. Unless you're this overwhelming, tennis swamping style, I think bronner's can be able to deal with it. And I actually it plays into bronner's hands being a counterpuncher, and I think Brunner ends up landing the hardest shots and that is going to be the decision that that gets them the win. He's land in the bigger hits the bigger harder shots as a counterpuncher. And might even potentially ended up dropping many Pac L eight in the rounds. I think Adrian Brodie gets it done. And then fights Floyd Mayweather. Boehm? What's the odds? I many Paco brought her do it. Oh, yeah. Plus twenty plus to thirty underdog for for Brunner and pactel's minus three hundred fifty three hundred God, I like the I don't know. That's not a bad bet. I was giving has underdog bet it's not bad to Bank, brother. He has a town to do it now, mentally whether these shows up or not, especially if bronner's shows up against a forty year old pack. Yeah, he should win this fight via decision, but it's fucking many pack. You joy fights man, San Diego. I will see this Saturday. It's time we are six days away. It's happening. Yeah. Were you say how it's gonna say fan questions? I thought you're gonna cut the show. I don't know. Should I forget about questions to though, I the Simpson Gretchen cool. Okay. Ready? Thank questions. First question at Michael post seato? No disrespect. But did you wanna get some work done to her chest? Ask him for a friend. I don't know. What did you see a picture something? Do you know chin go back to that the one where she has the blue polo on looking like she's on a yacht or some shit. Was that from our Instagram's from Instagram? There. I can't tell go back. You knows all time running. I got an appointment on Friday to screw will go the one where she's on the beach chin became see it though here. I can see today's chin. Yeah. They do look bigger. Yeah. Something's going on there unless they've always been big. We just haven't seen well now because I'm not a gay, man. And I could see I could always see him though, to go to her what she has a bikini top on chin this. All right far. Right. When we're tits are out, for God's sakes. Oh, God dot video cool. Yep. She got him done fantastic. And I celebrate it. She got him done in in this weird world, we live in she's more marketable. She looks amazing. Altern notice is the dudes in the back. That's why. That's why whatever. Yes. She definitely has some shape right there. Good for Herman not mad at it in the least bit hopefully, Laura striking up at C C E J J any chance getting air Hawaii on the show as open door whenever he's in LA come on in aerial. I'd love to have him on to chat it up with Ariel. I like Ariel at Dhiraj Twenty-one seven you ever gonna hit up the UK and do stand up. I did lie in two thousand seventeen I was there. But yes, I I'm planning on going there then end to nineteen. Greg Howard seven seven one while we see you in Luke Thomas discussing a big fight. I mean, we did with the Connor and Mayweather fight in Vegas wearing both there despite you to each leaner platforms. It'd be a special one time treat for the fans. See the world's collide, I love, Luke. He's actually my favorite analysts in the game. So Luke also has an open door policy. At Danny pro V, doc. Oh for sure you're covering the Dilshad versa. Hudo? Thank you, sir. Just wondering what your thoughts are if TJ were to beat pseudo. How would he do go up to one forty five trying to become a triple champ champ champ? I think you do pretty well. I think he's so goddamn competitive in touted and also a little crazy, but he'd be one of the most skilled fighters at forty five. I think you'd be a real threat up there. The size of max could be an issue. But it max is going to fifty five so TJ with other forty five or TJ against Brian Ortega TJ against Josie Aldo. I like his chances. I I think TJ matches up with well with everybody except max hallway at one forty five. He especially if mash does the fifty five and vacates his belt, you could definitely see TJ at the champ at one forty five. Mike Mike's for a Mike's s life who he picking on the Super Bowl Kansas City Chiefs. At big Matty, be thirty two. What are your thoughts on Jack swagger can the WWE to Bella Tor next week who's he filing the thing about this Jack swagger guy, I don't know much about him. I know he's a WW guy fighting professional mixed. Martial arts now seem to work out for more. Most guys not names CNN bunk, the differences Jaques Wagner. I'm almost positive has a legit wrestling background. Did he wrestled Oklahoma? Right. Going fucking crazy here. I'm pretty sure he has a legit actual amateur background, which is a problem for a lot of guys. Meaning he's going to beat a ton of guys. And is yet heavyweight. Saw her CO university of Oklahoma. He did wrestle university. Oklahoma. Yeah. You got problems on hand. Oh, yeah. Big problems, then heavyweight all-american Oklahoma. Yeah. So that's that's the difference. A lot of times see punk kind of painted a bad light on these WW guys come over to an MA. But there's a lot of guys. Josh barnett. Did professor wrestling Bobby lashes, a fucking monster Brock listeners a fucking monster. That's who he's fighting. He's gonna destroy J w Kaiser J w Kaiser's own one. It's it's a good thing. You get a warm up shut out to Jack swagger. I'm rooting for your buddy. He's gonna be a problem for people at Zia sneaker had big Brown excite for puncher season. Two most likely will be the last one. But should be fire. Agree, I've seen the trailer for punishment to Chen. Nope. Did she punish one on that flicks? I did not the best comic series of all time. It's so good. I don't talk a lot comic Goo-good. I need to be more violent whatever, man. It's fucking good. I can't wait for season two to be tough to beat season one. What else you got? Jan that it would you Stevie BJ J Loma versus pacman. Is there any chance of that happening? Of you. I do think Loma needs that big mainstream fight to break out and be complete superstar because his skills are by far better than anyone's out there in the world, but he was on blow the belt TV show when asked about finding many pack out. He was I know I'm good. He's like he's way past his prime. I wouldn't wanna do that. That does not them for me. I disagree. I think if you were to get a big name fight, which he needs so bad even a higher way class you'd beat those guys a he needs something of that magnitude and just needs to completely annihilate them so people like holy shit checkout. Fucking Lamichhane co what else yet figues Eighty-eight? What did you think about LeBron celebrating with the Rams because he was a Cowboys fan hashtag bandwagon? I don't think it's a ban. Right. I don't think he's like Drake situation. I think he knows somebody on the Rams and he was in. There celebrate they show them walking away in the locker rooms. Now, he's popping bottles with the fucking Los Angeles. Rams. I think he has a friend who played on the Rams probably went to douse with Satish it with. Them. There was a geigo say what's up to my boy? And so in films in the Lacrima kind kinda dumb ass films to who's like, oh, get him go that someone in the organization to a move that it why more Sherman one more one more. Let's do this since it's coming up cookies two four eight six when will your special air on Showtime? Do they do you even know yet? I think maybe the rumors are March or April that's the word, roughly monitored April. So we'll see. But don't worry. I keep everyone posted on that. And as soon as I get a an official date yet to be the first to know, obviously. All right, man. That was fun. Yes. Big week. I appreciate all support from you guys going down this Friday. I'm running my one hour before I shoot though real thing in San Diego. I will be in Burbank Friday night, one show only Burbank at flappers flappers in Burbank. And then Saturday my one hour Showtime special when my buddies Joe Rogan, Brian Cowen opened up for me in San Diego speckles theater. One shows at seven the others at ten I think get your tickets now less than one hundred tickets for all the shows two shows. I mean, fifty fifty. Wow. All right, guys. Get your tickets if go time, I love you guys think for be on this journey with me big year new studio. We're just getting started hope because it looks better on camera. It's pretty sweet and hair. Although I'm a little high from the fumes whatever appreciate guys, I will be updating guys and everything leading up to this special. But I can't think has enough. I love you guys to big weekend. Big nights tonight. Get your tickets now K dot com. Think for listening subscribing to this show on your friends rate, it whatever you gotta do till next time. Enjoy the fights. 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The Best Of The REShow (07-22-20)

The Rich Eisen Show

34:59 min | 4 months ago

The Best Of The REShow (07-22-20)

"Thank you for listening to this podcast one production now available on Apple podcasts podcast one spotify and anywhere else you get your podcast. This is the rich Eisen show rise. Here's the rich Eisen show is never enough. At work, I played all day everyday. Here, as part of the stub hub, let your fan out competition to discover Los. Angeles is biggest sports fanatics. None other than Alan Thicke. Hey Rich. Good to see you got the wardrobe memo did turn up caller of. An outfit. I'm loving, said I mean. You, don't you don't appreciate the scope of this on TV. This is bigger than my hometown. which is your hometown again Kirkland Lake Ontario The far north I kill Americans. I was born between Wayne Gretzky tonight twin. End My slapshot as about. About it, that's fantastic. We had your son on the show a few weeks. I heard Robin. Here is fun my Gosh. We told he told a great story. About involving Gretzky the day that Gretzky was traded. Yeah, you were out of town I was in Norway. Right with my other son on a little vacation and. I picked up the morning paper in Oslo and there were pictures of Gretzky over the paper. Detects. who was in Norwegian so? I don't know what's happening. And Wayne was house sitting at my at my place. babysitting Robin essentially was about ten years old at the time so I'm concerned. I don't know what's happened. You know drive by shooting mudslide Quick so I called the home and Robin answered the phone. Is You know what's going on? And nothing you know still you know. And then they grabbed the phone out of his hand, Gretzky's been traded, cover the helicopter the police and he had gotten the call the night before, and it was off to Edmonton and. Canadian seven been the same since I imagine so on. He said Robin said that McConnell called the house. So McNeil's got your home number and. He did yes, and maybe still, and when when Robin answered the phone, he said well. You know Wayne's asleep number two. This is important. Unbelievable. Unbelievable, so you've not When did you meet Gretzky when he's just started with US pretty much, I. Yes, yes, He was eighteen and. I was doing a talk show and Canada an afternoon show, and they were spending a lotta time in hotels as you can imagine. They traveled up there so apparently I was fairly popular with the traveling NHL Squads in the afternoon. who had nothing else to do in the dead of winter, and coincidentally that very year that he came into the League I was producing the NHL of. All Star banquet. Held in the middle of the season, and that was the first time the game was ever in La and I hit a agreed with the doctor bus to produce the show if they gave the proceeds to my charity, which is diabetes My eldest son is diabetic so they were Jerry was extremely supportive as we're. The kings and the New York Rangers in getting a started, and in fact, that event launched an the very first juvenile diabetes research. Foundation chapter in La we hit. We had nothing there until that so that encapsulated all many of our interests. I'm a sports groupie. was raising money for diabetes I met Wayne. I was his inaugural. Also parents and I'm here with Alan Thicke here on the rich Eisen show so meeting. Dr Buses. You referred to Jerry Buss that means you're a Laker guy to I i. am I'm a Homer, so I even support teams when they're one and seven as the current iteration. And Look. I mean. I don't know what to me. What do you make of the Kobe endgame here with his career? It seems to be appropriate. He's having trouble with his back now and. We. His injuries, the last couple of years and not shooting. In a way that would probably even put them on the floor of a rookie. So I guess it's appropriate. It's a shame to see one of the all time greats shirt in the sport, but you. What what what what we all hope I. Think is that he has a a good enough season a healthy enough season that he's an inspiration. To the younger guys to Russell, and the other fellas who learn so much from him and that and then he goes out with a with a bang scores, a few points and hits in some important games, and he's been a gift to this community. Alan Thicke here on the rich Eisen show and so robin also showed a photograph of him with Tommy Lasorda from back in the day. Robbins Good Athlete Robin especially at basketball and had he pursued a sports. He probably wouldn't have a scholarship somewhere and he's still plays some pickup basketball with. Some movie star Friends of his short and Yeah, I actually the there is that shot of him with lasorda. I also have pictures of him. Ten Years of him sitting on. Magic Johnson's knee at that fantasy camp, and and and and Michael, Jordan's interestingly Lee, ten years old, and and Michael's Takata on his lap, and then all these many years later, Robin Sang. Michael's wedding. Their first dance saw yeah, so it's a kind of a kick to me as Know as a Robin Thicke Fan on as a sports fan to see those things come together. So when did you first come to this? Allen I've been here since the early Seventies. Eighteen seventy nineteen side and When when I first got here Hockey was meaningless in town. It was like the old joke. You know you call up there. What Times a game star? They said. What time can you get here and Jack Kente? Cook who owned the Kings famously said you know when somebody brought up that there were over half a million. Canadians in La's it sure. They all moved here because they hated hockey because he couldn't get anybody in the building, you know you can literally buy a ticket and sit on the bench. so I I was involved in hockey and and a bit of an ambassador, even from the very early days here Mr! Cooke would encourage me to bring anybody from show business I was writing a lot at the time for he would say. Please bring people that will give them. Great seats will feed them. We'll give them a popcorn. And so I started a bit of a tradition of bringing some celebrities and getting them interviews, in which celebrities where you're bringing down the Bob. Hope a Gordon life some Canadians. Lightfoot rich, little TRIBECA. Alex and I started the first celebrity hockey team here in town that. What's your game? Billy Crystal. Was What's TREBEK's hockey game like? Wait a minute I should or game. Was that an answer? I just gave by giving your question. No Game and he played many years We've had a lot of celebrities play with us. over the years Dave. Coolio was a pretty good player short tim. Robbins Dennis leary David Boreanaz from bones. Plays Priestley Michael J. Fox, so we ultimately toured the tour. North America always as fundraisers shirt We weren't much good any of us but they we. We made sure we brought a few NHL with us so that we always had some actual skill on the ice, but Yeah, it's. It's been my passion all these user I come to the town magic. Kirkland leg, small town, but produced an in an inordinate number percentage of NHL players in the old days. and. The rugged count was. A hockey only women had teeth in Kirkland Lake. We, you know I I I always thought that was A. Decent hockey player you get better. As, you get closer to the equator, the further south you move, I'd be big in Costa Rica. But in Kirkland Lake. Everybody plays As well or better on the shoes right there on a slew. They're pretty much. This lose Kirkland Lake So. Did, you and you wrote some You wrote some music as well from what I'm my producer Chris Law. A bunch of theme, so I mean I. Don't I don't. Consider myself a musician in front of Robin Anymore that I'm stroking player in front of Chris on how to get it from somewhere. Yeah, but I wrote about forty five TV themes, and in fact you're going back to the beginning of my relationship with the kings and bus diabetes. Soon. My son was diagnosed I, did I reached out to my closest friend who happened to be hockey players so I wrote two songs. One was called the hockey sock rock. which the New York Rangers recorded. Another one called. Please forgive my misconduct last night. which was recorded by the La Kings, and that was in the days of the triple Crown Line Marcel Dionne Simmer Taylor and the Rangers were sposito and do gay. That's so that that became a A. A A giveaway item. and. As I said the guys wrote a pretty substantial check to get started. It was a bit of a novelty song got some attention for diabetes so the purpose. We're seeing video right now on on the team. S. Mass Bows, singing and that's. Just disease fourteen Gil Gerard who played was at battle. Star GALACTICA and the unknown comic from the Albion Shot. Show. Did you. Did you see you wrote the different strokes theme you wrote I did and I sang that you. Voices me on the world. To the. World. I just got eleven cents for singing that giving. Every year, no kidding, yeah, and then the facts alive saliva I wrote that that didn't sing it, but. The wheel of Fortune I did the original wheel of Fortune on the run on NBC for Bud Eight Years Chuck woolery show was owned by merv Griffin. He's he so what Kinda royalties it was making and he needed the money to buy whatever was left of the Bahamas that he didn't young so MERV after eight years. He put his own music on there, but I'm not bitter. No! That's what these worked out for Allah Chris Law. You have the floor. I know you WANNA ask a question you. grew up on growing pains. Huge fan showed you. Did you have any idea kind of how big that show would get at the time? And then you know. What was it like? You enjoy obviously the to adults, but you're working with kids pretty much the rest of the time. We didn't think it would be much. We were going on against the a team which was huge at the time, and we didn't feel we had much of a chance. But who's the boss was our lead in? So they gave us a good sampling and we were a hit. Right off. The Bat which Tony Danza reminds me of frequently. I occasionally send him abolish Champagne They were a great lead in for the show, and as Corny as it sounds. We were really a family very close. We're all still in touch over anytime. There's a birthday or Halloween party any kind of celebration. Character Luke came in late, but ends up being Leonardo DiCaprio. Give any idea at the time kind of what the talent was. We kind of knew that Leo was special. And he was great. Mimic he was a funny guy. And in fact, the world hasn't quite seen how funny Leonardo really is. What a great sense of humor! Because he gets these great dramatic parts. Of apparently he's had a good career. But one of these days. Maybe he'll take a truly. Comedic the role and you'll love him for. One full young actors come through the show a because it was a popular show. We and Hilary Swank and Matthew Perry Brad Pitt we? We had all the young ones and some of them. You really pulled for because they're nice kid. And some of them were spoiled. Little Turds and you're happy never to hear from them. But what we did get to see them. All Leo is one of the good ones. That's good, yeah! Things are trending upward for that. Robin Robin. Brennan sons were on a number of episodes They'd come over and hang out with the with the cast after school after their own school, and we'd shove them into a classroom scene or something, and they got the residual. Allen thanks for coming up. Right here on the rich Eisen show, check him out stub hub. Let your fan out competition. With recently, no NBA NHL or MLB. You might think there's nothing to on well. You'd be our exclusive partner. Bet Online still have hundreds of events jeans and pops the way to the online casino to poker and Blackjack as they are bringing the biggest to you missing the NFL. No problem bed online had lied daily netted NFL twenty simulation. 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Gallon Mir Yager I'd be remiss if I didn't ask you about him late in them up at the age of forty four Wayne. Put a you. You know being around football and the hockey. Guys. What'd you thirty seven thirty eight? You're in in the sports world. You're considered old. You know you're physically and mentally tired. You beat up your worn down to travel. the mental exhaustion for a guy to be doing what he's doing at forty four. To play contribute the way he is he. He's the leader on the team on the ice off. The is remarkable. I told him if he gets any closer to. My records are gonNA. Steal A so. Of them well I mean. Did you ever think you see? You could lace it up? When was the last time you thought that you know what maybe I could get out there on the ice? I never that way you know for me. It was pretty simple when I retired and listen people. Ask me all the time. Do you miss it and I, say yeah of course I miss it you since you're two or three or four years old. It's not just professionally do it as a kid and you your whole life and I wish I could. Could still play for me. It was an easy decision because I trained really hard in the off-season. I found the older you got the more time you had to spend training and the off season so thirty seven or thirty eight I was three hours a day was going to have to be four hours a day just to keep up with the young guys. And I just knew my heart. I didn't have the desire to get up in June July August and trained for four four and a half a day for six days a week, and that made my decision relatively good and one of the. That's compliments you can get. An athlete is when people come up to you and say you know what you could've played one more year, and that's when you know you retired at the right time, so of course I, Miss It. I wish I could still play, but you know it's a great game. The players are bigger like every sport. The faster stronger equipments better to teaching the coaching better It's hockey great spot as are all the other sports it's. It's a great game right now. What was the last time you did play a game hockey license? I do want to do a fantasy camp with. About one hundred and twenty guys I bring in about seventeen or eighteen of my buddies, actually nature pliers and I put through three or four guys on the team. Guys like Danny Savar and Chris Chelios in mcsorley Guys and we have a great six days and we have a lot of fun so I. Do it once a year and every time I get home I'd say you know what I'm Gonna I'm GonNa Start Skate not more or less is really enjoyable I put my. Garage year later. Get it again, so I'm a once a year player now and Putin ever asked you to play with him when he scores Nineteen Dole's. Wayne. No I've never had that. Chance your opportunity, but I think that. Why do you ever play with a guy like that? You make sure you get him the puck. Johnny assists what you have in that game. Let me. Tell you get tired of taking patterns from me because I wouldn't want to be in trouble. Yeah, his his plus minus is great. He's you know. Very very well and I know. He plays a lot with them. Sped off, but I haven't had that. Jan Plane Gretzky here on the rich Eisen show. What was it like closing? The wreck saw getting everybody back together getting back together. Go. You know it's a special time you know. We had a great team. We're just kids. We grew up together at eighteen nineteen twenty years old to win as many championships as we did to have I. don't know I guess there's seven or eight guys that are in the hall of Fame We. We were just kids playing hockey. We didn't even think of that kind of stuff and now years later, we had a thirty year reunion. We raise a million dollars. For Children's Hospital Edmonton and then add the closing a couple of weeks ago. let me tell you. I got a tour of the new arena I've never seen anything like this They didn't have that kind of stuff when when I was playing. You gotTa Locker. Room and you got your skates. You got on the ice. And now it's it's pretty amazing. Yeah, Wayne Gretzky Hall of Famer here on the rich Eisen Show A. WE had a couple of months ago Wayne. Somebody you. Baby sat back in the day sitting here on the rich Eisen. Show said his name is Robin Thicke. Each told this story. Take a listen this. Robin Thicke till when he was here. What was Wayne like as babysitter dude. Let you stay. Couldn't tell you to go to bed. When he was super cool, we would play tennis. Too late at night, and I remember one time just because I never driven in a Rolls Royce. Before he took me to. McDonald's in his convertible Rolls Royce. The drive. Is like this is pretty cool. Riding Shotgun. got in the bed. Do you remember that? Either pay paper the insurance for don't pay for the insurance, and you go to a nice restaurant or pay for the insurance. Go to McDonalds. McDonalds Alan I've been friends since nineteen seventy nine and I don't know if there's a bigger backer, the La Kings in the National Hockey League until we've been good friends, so I know Robin since he was like three years old, I guess or two years old him and his brother Brendan. yeah I spent a lot of time in the off season, when I played tonight, always go down to La and spend a week or two weeks for them, and you know the kids were younger at that time. We did a lot of pick up basketball a lot of tennis and there's always a lotta fun. Yeah, now. I didn't change the diapers. No. Well. He said Wayne that the day you were traded to the La Kings Bruce mcnall called the thick residents looking for you, and he answered the phone. He's twenty cents. I knew probably GONNA get traded around that time and We were spending a few days. Allen tells I think he had a house to look alike. we're spending time there. And probably at the time with sixteen and Brandon was eighteen, but I knew it was going to happen in the first call came in, and actually Robin. Did answer the phone. I remember they had this entercom their house I. Remember Thinking what a cool house! Robinson Wayne. It's a telephone call. Now and I kind of knew I got that call. I figured it might have happened in Alex. Robin Thicke is turned it. He'd done pretty well for himself. I got I'm going. The right direction is an incredible I mean it's incredible Wayne. You're the best. Thank you for coming on. You always have a place here in my show studio. I'd love to have you here. I appreciate the. Official Gretzky on twitter Wayne Gretzky Hall of Famer right there on the rich, Eisen, show. Do you own or rent your home? Sure you do and I bet it can be hard work. You know what easy bundling policies with GEICO GEICO makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing, too, because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to GEICO, DOT COM get a quote and see how much you could save. It's Guyq easy visit, DOT com today. That's GEICO DOT, com GI CO DOT COM. Welcome back to the rich Eisen show. Throw the half here one of my favorite guests from back in our podcast. He's not a been here before right now. He is here with his book why we don't Suck, and how all of us need to be stopped being such partisan little. What's the word that you use right there? Thank you, Dennis leary good to see you, sir, you know you're at the rich Eisen show because there there. I have never been at a at a show where there's more framed things with your picture or your name or from your past I'm in the bathroom, which by the way I must say ladies and gentlemen. And I'm not kidding is the finest show business bathroom I've ever been? It's bigger than the first department I had an. Excuse, but I don't know the square footage of okay. Pretty big, but like everything else around here. It's got framed rich Eisen. Items in there one of the crossword puzzle from New York Times, which said thirty seven across ESPN's rich by the way these stupidest New York Times clue of all time. Because ESPN's rich. was there another Richard ESPN during your? Then your during your tenure? No, not five letters long it starts with the letter and ends with an exactly so usually a New York Times crossword puzzle which I've also been in and not framed in my own bathroom. Just want just want to point out I've been in multiple times and not framed in the bathroom, but I'm GONNA now now. It's a challenge when my wife goes. Why are you framing New York Times? Crossword but. Is has won this back and also your clue so easy I was just like that's. What would your copy? I can't remember I. Have I'm getting the Alzheimer's now so I can't remember. Do you remember your clue? Because it was only a few minutes ago, it was in the bathroom. Yeah, well, also you've got your own bottle of rich Eisen whiskey in their somebody a listener if somebody said that to Kentucky Bourbon, so you guys are so this is. Is what he's going to claim is that this is all sent in done by other people now hold on a second first of all. Let's let's go one step at a time. That crossword puzzle was framed by my own mother when this was back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, seven, or ninety eight. When okay start now I apologize. No, no, no, no. Trying to make you? Feel bad now I feel bad. No, it's all right but so. Here's my question now. Yes, your mother God lover Yes okay, and that's touching thing that she framed that. I mean I'm not joking. No, that's really doesn't think that your mother frame big thing for a month. Why is it in the guest bathroom? Guest bathroom I never thought I would get Jewish guild from Dennis. Pal So then me and her team Malaysia wanted wells see that should be in your house on a prominent display I. Sorry is and we'll have ever. Right now, but I apologize for your son's behavior like God that does bring us now to number two on pretty much virtually everything you see around here. A lot of it was my wife's saying. Now that you have studio, get all this great. Yeah, I just did out again myself. Yeah now I just moved again. My kids are adults now. My kids are twenty seven twenty five, so it was in the last like five years they came out of college and and left. which is how old are your kids now? Nine six and four, so you're a ways away from that, but it's the empty nest happens. You know you downsize. The House that we had that we brought up was too big and the apartment without them in. In it was so you downsizing? You have to get rid of stuff and the first stuff to go and I have to tell you. Is The sports stuff? So what's gone out of your house? It's not gonNA I. Put it up into above the garage creating a space because I. I had so many great sports. Things man. I gotTa go Bob Yours. You know a Stanley Cup winning goal signed by Bobby you're! Referring to me as his friend I mean come on I mean that's at that point. Kill me. You know what I mean I've got so many great so there in the garage and I'm I'm I'm moving them into the gym, but there's not enough space in the gym, so I may have to buy another house that just just for me and my sports just visit. We. Do have some space on our walls without the. Yes. I would feel. About having although you know, I would. Gladly give you a Dennis leary of signed sports Adam. If you take that crossword puzzle thing out of that guestroom and take it to you. That has to go to your house, doesn't it? I don't know where it would go. I mean it's perfect year. He's not. That's not a sports related item that is a mother and son relationship. Bite I'm qualifying for your wife well. Speaking is a huge sports fan. She should understand now. She does understand it. She absolutely does, but there's some. There is some stuff here that that were would have no place in my house I know some of the bigger items like I've got. Tom Brady signed picture and. And I know that there's a twilight episode like like. There's a couple of horror movies. So great picture of Tom you know, he said the picture of himself. It's head and shoulders, and he's. He's on the sidelines and he's. He's looking very intently at the camera. And it's it was. It was a photograph, but then it was like painted. And signed by Tom. Brady now. Obviously, that's worth a lot of money anyways, but that's not why I have it. What's he? He signed it to? You decided to meet right so i. put it up in the apartment and my wife after a day goes to take it down everywhere. You go in this room. Tom Brady stares at you, and that's what I realize. It's like one of those harmless. You walk over to sandwich top like donate that. Sandwich Kado. Eyeballs it right on Ya, I'm like we got his little creepy time. Moved and this is. I mean they don't, but they feel like they do. It feels like he's staring like don't have that ice cream. Have Avocado Ice Cream? You know what I mean Dennis. LEARY is here. We're back in sixty seconds. We'll talk a little bit more sports than obviously turn attention to your book of why we don't suck while you wrote it. Eight, four, four, zero four rich number to dial. We're back in sixty seconds with Dr. Dennis leary here on the rich Eisen show. Coming to live by live Thursday July, Thirtieth Darius, Rucker's Darius and friends virtual concert benefiting Saint Jude Children's research hospital catch an exclusive one time only performance by Darius Rucker live from the grand ole opry stage featuring guest appearances by clint black and Tracy Lawrence. All proceeds from the show benefits Saint Jude so get your tickets today at live x live dot, com slash Darius and tune in July thirtieth at eight PM Eastern only on live by live. I've got the right this is. Rich Eisen show Dennis. LEARY is here again is okay why? What you forget about. He was playing the you. He was in the booth with. Clark back at seven, and they're talking about you, said then they get into mel, Gibson it's fine nuggets. Gibson thing that happened. The Red Sox are doing the Jimmy Fund charity. By the way when chat, charity senator. And we were doing rescue me, and they asked us to come and do the Jimmy Fund and then stop into to talk to remedy, and those guys in the booth and you know that's usually like that's like in between pitches you put you talk about Jimmy Fallon view pushed the TV show, or whatever, and then you know the innings over, and you say goodbye ending the Red Sox scored fourteen runs. It was like a thirty minute any night, so we ended up. Those guys ended up laughing so hard at some of the stuff that lenny was saying. They sort of fell out, so we just had we realize. Oh, my God! We're running the red sox booth right now, yeah! I forget how we got on. Mel Gibson occur. Showing pitching Youkilis is first baseman. Joe Gibson's rant had been. Free. No Gibson he made a great play to end the inning. Screening praise. Take that now. We were in. We were in that booth for like forty five minutes it was. Did you hear about it when you got? They loved it. They loved it. Remmy, even those guys, of course some of the stuff. We said they they couldn't stop laughing, but they also they weren't going to. Like they they they were okay with. Don I just remember Lenny night, a certain point of holding microphones and remedies on the ground over here laugh and the other guys over here laughing and we're like. Hey, we're kind of what's going on. That's for the Red Sox. That's like our dream. Come true one of our dreams well. Did you ever you ever want to be sportscaster? You everything I wanted to be. This is how smart I was I thought I was GONNA I grew up in Massachusetts and from Worcester. Massachusetts, Bobby Bobby Orr Phil Esposito the Bruins of that era, one of the greatest hockey teams of all time hockey mad town. Hockey Med state so I, just never studied when they gave me books in high school. I would just throw away. Because I was like I'm going to be a hockey player and. And then I flunked the JV hockey team a freshman year you had to have a C. minus average, and I had I had a D. minus average imagine that, and by the way the high, but the coach was one of the teachers, and he's like I'm GonNa. Give you one great arena. I was an idiot, but now now what would you say to those teachers I've written a book well. What were they think about well well. All the nuns who thought there was one particular system CAPMAN. who was you know about this, okay? I was I went to. Saint Peter's the same Catholic prison for twelve years with all the same kids from the neighborhood. All my brothers, all my cousins, so the way it worked was You know they if they hated your your sibling or your your cousin in front of you. They hated you. When you walked in the door. So as soon as I went into first grade. They're like Oh, another, larry out boy, so I just spent twelve years torturing them, and this one insisted Youth Katzman said to me I failed the Spanish junior year in high school. And I took a senior and I I just wasn't even studying. I couldn't even say like Aqua. You know mean like nothing, so she said I am going to pass you just to get you out of this building and nothing is ever GonNa. Come of you, you know why because you're an idiot and you're gonNA. You'RE GONNA. Regret. This and I'm like okay. So how many years go by a buddy of mine from? From that school, which is really incredible, became a Broadway actor and he was in spam a lot, which was sure one he won the Tony for that, and it was a huge hit and one night. He's finishing before he's upstairs taking off and one of the assistants goes. There's a couple of old nun's coming up the stairs that WanNa talk to you. Why are they coming up the stairs and he goes to the stairs to try to help them. And the sister with CAPMAN had bucked teeth, and he sees this all none with buck teeth coming up the stairs. My sister Judith Cabinet so they talk for like forty five minutes, and at the end of it. She's like you're so great and I always knew you make something of yourself and Bogor she goes. Whatever happens that leary kit. And to his credit, he goes nothing. Is just awesome, so she could live that dream. You know what I mean. Oh, my Gosh I know! Books. He isn't I talk about his sister Agnes Catherine. That's quote on the back. I told him back in nineteen, seventy four. He was going to hell. This book just confirms yet. She hated me they. All hated hated. Why did you write this book? I wrote this book because the election. My previous book have been called why we we saw bright, and this time during the election got so divisive, and especially even afterwards, and I have a twenty five year old twenty-seven-year-old emotionally affected by this election and I. You know listen. I, voted for Hillary, but I didn't want to. I thought it was a terrible candidate. Trump was a hilarious candidate. I wanted to go back in and I just write about all these issues, sexism and racism, and and and sort of remind us. How we're the common ground is but also kind of make us all laugh again. Because all my Republican friends weren't laughing, they were arguing with my democratic friends and vice versa. They're all rage tweet at each other, so I just wanted to really make you laugh your ass off again and. Basically forget about the worst part about it. Remember with the things that unite us I'm like I'm from the George Carlin speaking of being Catholic and the Richard Pryor School, which is that all politicians suck so get tied up emotionally into with anybody is dangerous territory. Anyway, so this is anti. All politicians pro us because. People did stop laughing. Even some of my friends were meeting. It's not funny anymore. It's it's pretty funny. It's pretty funny on a daily basis so. I just want again. I hope I achieved my goal. So far so good. I think that people I'm hearing from her. Saying it is making them laugh, and that's what I wanted to do. So why are we don't suck here? on how all of us need to stop being such partisan little. Dennis leary is here on the rich Eisen show. We're going. It's the. Show with Dennis leary Dennis, leary and all of his material that he's going to put on our walls, which will be very odd and awkward? That's coming up here on I felt bad when you said the thing about your mom. Hi Everyone. 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Don't you worry? We actually have Jayco went on the show. Now, if you out there in any way, thinking that somehow going to be a disappointment from his these stories that are in this interview Jayco, and who was played golf with pretty much everybody on the planet or been everybody matters certainly or been drunk at a wedding and chirp a huge golfer, or whatever you have to listen to this interview. This is arguably the best interviewed ever done. Now, we just came out of the studio, maybe we're kind of reeling. This is gonna this is gonna rival. In an interview we've ever done Jayco and country music star huge golfer plano, web dot com tour event plays in the Pebble Beach Pro-Am every year with Jordan Spieth has played a Gusta has he's he's the man he's a very cool, dude. He told story after story you're gonna love this big shout out to. Being like high school the story about this famous person can't tell disturb of this famous or somewhere like you can tell every single story drop, and then say that the biggest names in the world. And then tell a fucking hilarious story about all. He was off. You're gonna love the interview. So stay tuned for that. It's coming up after we chitchat about the latest current events. Spring golf, presenting sponsor for the interior. It's now golf season best teatime out on the planet. Go get their app. Go to your app store goes pretty dot com. They work with everybody else. Okay. So all the other teatime aggregated apps for everyone to call that you've heard of they're all under the supreme golf umbrella. Plus, they have just thousands and thousands more time. So it's literally better than any other thing, you can imagine because it has been plus a lot of other options. They got alerts. You can set alerts supreme golf. They're the best clean new out. All that. They're the best. Kevin Kisner kids has won. He won a little over one point seven million dollars of bad payday. If you ask me unbelievable, payday kiss. I don't know what it is about this play thing. He lost a Bubba. On the final last year. He won this year beat Matt Kuchar. I've never really I don't know that I've ever rooted harder for somebody while watching golf really outside of maybe some tiger incidents over the years than that. Because Kuch and how much he's been in the news lately. Kind of falling off his pedestal of being this perfect, dude. In a lotta ways. It was weird. It was the first time cooter. Matt Kuchar was the villain is really unbelievable. I was thinking about that as like, Matt Kuchar the villain. He at this point at this point in time. Everyone hates him for the way he dreamed that caddy and everyone loves Kisner because he's our boy we have been we've talked about him nonstop. It was really great, and I could not have rooted harder for kids. He was villain. Number one. Hit that ball the water. I went fucking crazy. Fuck you Kuch. Let's go kids. It was awesome. Made a big pot on the sixteenth to win whatever it was three and two I guess played really consistently all week. He also, you know, he went let's see six and one in his matches. I believe because he he lost his first one to Ian Poulter. And then won the next couple had to play in playoff thing with Poulter beat him in that one. So we eliminated Poulter again. Yup. Memory beat Poulter like by one hundred rushed which was great. So he's able to he was able to eliminate Poulter again, which was great very cool. And then he just went on a tear beat than already Frank, which is amazing. Maybe some of the best golf in the world these past few. Oh my God. That guy's been such a stud, but kids, I mean, he had more some more great quotes just throughout the whole thing. All of his interviews were great. He you know, I've been I texted him and said I said the people demand you show up on four play pod this week. And he just said I bet they do. So he's kind of like dangling in front of us now. So. Point seven million dollars. You guys have been Megan fun of me these last six straight weeks. So maybe I'll come in the podcast. But I'm guessing he will. Yeah. He'll be on Kissel be on here soon. Don't you worry? I had a bunch of people. So the the great streak in sports is over. I had a bunch of people tweeted me. Oh, there's no way he could tied twenty this week. Anyway. So the street keeps going here's the way that I do it. I go to Kevin Kisner PJ to where profile. I look at results, and I go down and now after twenty t- twenty four th of all Spar balance bar, he there's a one. And so the streak is over. There's no way we can cut it where it's like, oh, no the streak is still going. It's not a strokeplay streak. It's just over that one changes. Everything changes everything Trent daddy does have a bold up t- twenty six twenty eight t twenty seven twenty three twenty two twenty four one. He was like, oh, I can't tie for twenty something here. So I'm just going to win the whole thing. That's what I'm going to do. He, you know. This course it suits kit's clearly phenomenally because it's pretty firm ball runs out there shipped on Austin country club and kiss hits kind of a lower draw. So as ball runs, you don't have to be a bomber out here as clearly showcased, by the fact that it was couture against Kisner in the finale, you don't have to be some gigantic bomber the golf ball. Although I did notice yesterday Kuch was moving a couple of out there. Pretty good stuff. Which shocking. He out-drove kids Malik forty five yards at one holes. And guess what? Kids don't be the whole thing. So so yeah, it's it clearly suits his game. He he was very candidate his presser afterwards. I watched it. There is some about as they go kiss at this point. You career is money still a motivating factor. And he's looked he goes. Oh, yeah. That's what makes him greatly. That's what makes him. Great because everybody else will be like, well, you know, I just love the thrill of winning. I like the competition. You know, matchplay, it's Mano Mano. He's like no I want to make money. I don't know what he said. I think he said I don't know what it's going to run out. Yeah. He said he had a great. He had a great quote about it. He goes he goes. Yeah. Well, I'm pretty cheap when my money I heard all that money because I don't know where it's going to run out because I don't know what I'm going to not be able to make ten footers anymore, which is perfect. So. So just going up there. Craig that he's made eighteen point seven million dollars in his career numbers. No fence to kids that seem to higher than I thought it would. But good for him seemed way higher than like twenty almost twenty million dollars coaches me kiss me playing golf. That's just career earnings from like from where you place events. Yeah. Yeah. He also to a reporter reporter. Yeah. I'm guy kept growing kids on on his money. And he's got how much you think you made in your in your career kids kids around nineteen million guy goes, I think it's that's actually your clothes. It's actually about eighteen because goes, you sure about that. And the guys does listening because back as just under nineteen million. Yeah. No, I know. Gonna know with Kevin really solid professional career. You're talking. That's like a really good like hockey player any other like athlete they make they sound like a four year five year five million dollar a year contract. It's like you're like one of the best players in the fuck legal. How old is he kisses what thirty-five which thirty five? He's already made twenty mil. Most like it's a solid career in any sport and golf usually is like not gossip Buchan harsh work to make money. Yeah. You gotta think warm kiss as another good seven or eight years where he's kind of like thirty mil right? He's gonna get thirty to forty million dollars plus plus endorsements. He just turned thirty five in February plus endorsements when he makes a frigging Ryder Cup. He does he looks like a European hockey player. He's got all these got endorsements over. We gotta talk about his look what what what what was going on this weekend with all the promotional pictures of kiss. Oh, my God never seen anything. Like someone said. Ooh. And then they took the picture will hear daring us right through that screen. I was I had to put the phone down is the he's the emoji of like the wide item Ojeda guy. What were that linking even though the four picture one where it was like, all right? It's the final day, and it was like the last four remaining golfers and it had every single golfer with their hat off like saluting the crowd, and they're just had Kizer. There's like here like weird hair in the one like Zuni. He looks like a cereal. Like look on his face was crazy. Everyone else looked totally. It was outrage looks like he was like peeking in on someone. It was outrageous picture of ever seen is crazy. Did you see the Lee Westwood tweet? Awesome. Tweet and read it Trenton, we Westwood tweeted on I believe Saturday, Kevin Kisner appears to be a very good match player matchplay player. I'll tell you. Of course, it would have really suited him golf Nationale chirp a lot of shade. Being thrown look Kevin Kisner with his record at the Presidents Cup the couple of years ago when we were out there. He was undefeated of that. I think he was too. I think he was two thousand two and that when he was doing all kinds of dances with Phil Mickelson then his record of the match-play where he lost in the final Asher. Which is. I mean, it's almost impossible to finally twice a year with this format. And then he wanted this year if this guy Kevin Kisner in just the way plays a game drives the ball consistently putz lights out like that comment that he may were I don't know what I'm going to stop able to make ten footers that was a very true and genuine comment of like, no Kevin Kisner is a top twenty or thirty player on planet earth because he putts lights out, right? What do you want in matchplay situations? And when you play in best ball, and you're playing alternate-shot in Ryder cups putters, and you gotta put it. Well, that's just what you have to do. And can you think of a better chemistry guy than Kevin Kisner? Imagine having him around cool, calm and collected. But always like Chirpin people. He's the would've been perfect. I'm going to say out. Kevin Kizer is not on the twenty twenty Ryder Cup team barring something as do like an injury. If he is not on the twenty twenty Ryder Cup team, you I will root for Europe. Wow. How many how many how how many how many Americans make twelve twelve he has to? It's gotta be on top twelve American golfer. They're usually do what eight and four captain's picks. Yeah. So if he doesn't qualify points which right now he clearly would buy a mile and with a win because they do about every two years with a win. They're going to be pretty far removed. But like Kevin Kisner. He should make an appointment if he doesn't he should be one of the top guys. And they'll take them no matter what. So if they don't take them barring injury. I will root for Europe. I thought you were going say you were going to chain yourself to some sort of statue. Because that's become a thing. Here. Barstool sports. You took it even further you said you would root for the Europeans. I will actively root for the European while we're we're talking you gotta you gotta dick yourself out. Just like you. Did Leyla you're wearing your American ones. A no, no, no. You gotta put on a European one lays all over the office. Oh my God. That's how much demand he's on our team. I agree with you on American soil. Forget automatic choice. I'll have no choice Frank. You won't be my choice. Holy fuck. What do you mean to the corner, Kevin Kisner corner? So kit's monumental week. He's the man we'll have him on the show very soon to talk all about it. Don't you worry when you outside doing your favorite activity? The last thing you want is a sticky. Plastic shirt weighing you down wouldn't you rather wear something that's extremely comfortable performs great and won't hold you back. That's why two siblings Montana fishing guide. 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Advances out of his group then beats Rory in. What was appointment? Some of the most appointment television golf we've seen in a long time. Real good. Governor least I've been up on a Saturday. Really good golf great match with ROY McElroy tiger Rory is probably the best player on the planet. Right. We all read that mean, you can't putt but outside of that. Yeah. Player the plant when he when he won the Players Championship. It was like he he literally didn't even feel like he played that great. And he won the biggest of the year. He's had when you go through his list. It's like he hasn't finished outside the top six in like a year. That's what it feels like that kidding. He rolls right through his whole group comes up against tiger. Tiger takes some downtown to huge pot on on seventeen to beat him. Curled one in there for par soda Rory decline media after. Oh that when I saw that that might have been the happiest moment, I've had golf related outside of kids winning all year was when I saw ROY declined to do after Tiger Woods. Because you know, they have that competition even off the course to write like, you know, tiger sends a text like Gotcha bitch like something crazy because this because Tigers real like one of the POWs Rory duty use to I don't know if he's still he's the techs, ROY three. Yeah. So you know, that that like that one hurt ROY? Yeah. I'll probably take a couple of week or two but tiger will start. He'll he'll need a little on those like when he sees him at Augusta kind of struck by about when's the last time we played. Oh, yeah. Knock you. I you packing. Roy probably can't sleep after that sixteenth hole. That was what the hell was that? And it looked like because Tigers drive ends up in the bunker fucking tucked up there, and you're like damn it's going to be all square going seventeen eight tied. And then he just ROY couldn't hit the ball correctly. You've forgotten how to play golf for just a quick hot minute. Was he a for a quick minute? He just forgot what he was doing. He just like he looked down at the ball. And he's like, I don't know how to play the sport anymore. He hit over the who's crazy. The ball is tucked up against that path. He deliberately he talked about it forever. And there was like I'm gonna go back to what's going on. It was crazy. He first of all to hit it into that bunker, the first time was a terrible shot horrible. Then from there you fucking hits it over by the path thing. No flubbed flow in the bunker. And then by the path. Thanks. And then went back to that spot was crazy. I was like what is going on? I'm not going to have to put. It was nice to watch a guy to that though. It's always nice to watch a top player. One of the best players in the world. Maybe the best player in the world. Where Tigers thing you think he was thinking like oh, hell, yeah. Or either. He was like, yeah. I think he was in like Terminator mode at that point. So he's just like staring at them. Like, that's right. Maybe even more comfortable. Yeah. You'll be right back in a second. I felt still be right here. Yeah. Waiting to just close you out bitch. And then tiger in the afternoon. Just a total reversal loses to this Lucas beer guard guy on the eighteenth hole. After being fifty yards out hate that guy's name beer garnered starts at EJ. Dave starts to the BJ. Get the fuck outta my tough Biard guard guy should be being tiger hitting me beer. No. That's. Beer guard. You have to sound like a cars passing you by. It does sound like a NASCAR is going here. Right. You're watching NASCAR race just thinking about beer. So anyways, the NASCAR golfer beats tiger on eighteen yard. That's so good. I'll never not here that ever for the rest of my guys. I'm actually rooting for me to report I hope at the next term that he plays in walks by going to the next t-. He's like picks up, and he starts room room. I guess he's like he hits a any like started doing like the room for. Oh christ. Gosh. So they go to the well, actually, they had had a battle down the stretch this mirror guard makes bomb for eagle on sixteen credible. Kind of another mini bomb on seventeen then tiger has to make one inside of him to have. And then they will come down eighty two both like fifty yards out tiger flubs, one of the bunker. Our guy. I can't keep saying like that. It's just too much. It's gonna come off. Now. It's too much. He hits what fifteen feet tiger hits one to like five feet or so, and then missus a pot that you just never you never think Tigers ever gonna miss that ever under any circumstances. I'm very perplexed at why they play the whole that the way that they played it like they they both played it that way a lot of guys played in that way where they hit their drives down there. Like this fifty yards out thing in the Ralph. And it's like even the announcers like well when we didn't get this. They can't get this closer than like ten or fifteen feet from here because it's a weird fifty yard wedge shot and it's elevated and you're in the rough I can't get the spin. And they all hit it down there on purpose and played it like that. I don't understand why tiger wouldn't rather be one hundred fifteen yards out. It's a wedge to five feet from there. All the time. Yeah. So I was really confused by played the hole that way you can tell afterwards he was pretty pissed some people had the theory that it's better for tiger. That he lost run them out. Don't run them out. It was like ten degrees. The next day writing guys got a spy it was. It was a stunning miss of a putt. I watched that the fricking club in Vegas. I had that up in a beer in a Cabana, and I fell to the ground. I just couldn't believe he missed that put it was unmissable. You don't miss that. It was stunning. I was already. It was for them to lose give it was a gimme it was it ruined my night, even come close either that was about but totally totally lip out. Yeah. No interesting miss, though, just missile. I was like going to tweet like I wanna murder that whole. I'm gonna take that that like whole out of the ground. I want to bring it in spank it and put in jail, but then didn't really when you re watch it never had a chance never wasn't holes fall. It's Tigers fault would have been cooler. If you gonna given that thing chance just give it a chance guy was so sad it legitimate like ruined my night. It took my heart out of my body place it on the ground stepped on it. And it was like you have to do the rest of the night without a heart. Which suck. Shitty night. Made my elbow hurt. We doing what's up doc today? What's up docs on here? All right. You want to do? What's up? We gotta get to it. Because I'm like throbbing. Yeah. You're like a broken person right now, your your arms, don't we are? We are we done with the with the mashed come back to go ahead. I actually think that the pain went from my right elbow to my left elbow overnight. I don't know what happened my right up, my right arm all week in Vegas was giving me shit. I could feel I was getting a lot of the emails that thank you to everyone all the doctors. We have a ton of doctors tons messaging a lot of people have had this problem from playing baseball, and golf and tennis elbow and its owner. I know I was saying old NAR its owner owner nerve they loved to correct. It's the science. It's actually all Noor even though its own are fuck what it's called hurts. So my right arm was killing me in Vegas. My like my pinky. And my my index finger were killing me it was felt like I was being pulled can hold onto those damned graves. I got so drunk and hung over and biggest through. I you weren't even close to hanging on to this podcast. Go to add stool, president a on Twitter and watch the video of a very very severely hung over Frankie Borelli, try to eat grapes. There was my skin was a color that I don't think humans effort, and you needed to be in the hospital the way your skin look was that's the skin on a I was transparent. I just recovered from throwing up in the bathroom. I was I was violently puking all morning and night. I think I I don't know what happened to me. I think honestly got drugged or something if they would've put you when you're in that in that little phase there you were in if they would have put you in cash for the friendly goes movie like that's unrealistic. That's it was crazy. There was no blood in my body. I was I was dead. I was dead for a couple of seconds capillaries. There was like no blow. It was. I was I was walking around like a dead person was who couldn't hold onto grapes told onto these grapes? Davis. Dylan was dropping great. And right. It's because of this God damn own their near man. I can't grip anything. So I swear to God last night. I'm in bed, and I'm like, all right. I'm feeling. All right. Like, whatever. My right arms like annoy me, but it's actually starting to feel a little bit a little bit better starting to do some things that guys are sending me stretch out. The bicep muscle. People say basically, you got to get the nerve to get away from like the pointy part of the bone. It's like really affecting it. I swear to fuck. I swear to God I wake up this morning and my left elbow now. It was my right. When that hurt my left elbow is in such your pain that I don't think I can go on anymore. I think I have to cut the arm off. I can't extend my left arm without it piercingly pain in the owner nerve I have two broken owners. I've to pulled owner nerves. Nothing imposs- now, I can't help. But think that some sort of karma after you laugh, I'm getting hurt. Miceli? Yes, I am. I'm waking up in my fucking arm or falling off seventy five percent of this room. That's me. That's Jake, our producer, and Frankie Braley just get beat up on our site. Swear to God. I think it's because I sleep with my arm underneath my pillow. And I'm always on my phone, and I'm playing fortnight, and I'm drumming Tuzla doing things or my arms are bent on filming fucking rough morality with a ten thousand pound Cameron. My elbows are going to explode. And I have I have a referendum coming up. I don't know if I can do it. Oh, you are going to be able to have no idea what I'm gonna do. You're gonna have to put like shoot with morphine and just hoping I can't accept what and Kelly with my left and right now can't happen. That's how bad is that bad. It's that bad even Depp. No, I. Pageantry does with. Noticed that I noticed that Kelly dabs kind of made it less cool. But whatever. Yeah, I think so if that's just something he does, you know to get away from all the shit at home. Then you know, what? Right. More to him. I don't feel bad about feeling bad. Like, I won't feel bad for things that Patrick does. If I do them as well because we all know what's going on. It's not him. He just he's Kelly deaths. Get away for a second. If that's the one second that he has his reality. Then you know, what we should all Kelly that once in a while. I just want to let you guys know. We'll see how you felt about it. I told you I kinda dig the Kelly davick. I'd have sick sick. I got a lot of messages about the Kelly dab after the four play episode. They're like, actually, it's southern Cali northern Kelly. We looked down upon that up. Fuck you got the Kelly. Plus, if you're going to be Kelly, you have to be more southern what's up doc to you about the fucking Cali. And can you imagine one northern Kelly as opposed to Southern Cal Sacramento? Do you want to be like San Diego? What are you nuts? Yeah. Northern California's that's a tough draw although Monterey the only difference. All right. All right up there. Oh, Southern Cal doesn't that isn't too bad. Got off his no done. They got unbelievable. So you're what's up? Doc. Just got worse. That's so my what's up doc out worse. I just I just don't want surgery. I know people say that's like one of the things that just like fixes the all nerve being damning, I looked at a couple of these people are basically saying like lay over Frankie's, they're going to like spread open his fucking arm. Yeah. And now it's both of them magin into spreading one guy in did say cut open come in here with two slings got problem. I don't think anyone's forgotten surgery and bolt their arms before at the same time. Double slings. Well, e j Santa gets engineer up some contraption to hold the microphone of on your face at the film pizza views with like someone else holding the camera in front of my eyes. And I'm just like standing there with two two cats. That's right. Move attack. We'll talk about. Jeremy renner's arms. Movie. That's insane. That doesn't make any sense. There's there's parts of the movie where he jumps through like through parts of the like the kitchen like like the island of the kitchen he jumps over those are fake arms. How did they move his body? It's unbelievable sense these needles, and you're telling me, you can't tell it all of these arms. You gotta watch them watch the movies, the best CGI and any movie, right? It's amazing though. Like everything's just talking game of thrones Harry Potter Lord of the rings. This is the best CGI ever done in any movie. Jeremy renner's arms in tag. That's one of the most stunning things. I've ever heard both his arms were casts on real. Yeah. That's what's up. Doc. You know what? I mean. I'm hoping I could be all right. I want to be able to golf, man. I can't knock off. What are you? What are you going to extend my it's crazy? I gotta go to a chiropractor. And I gotta go to orthopedic. I need to be cracked. I need my arms to be like put in the right spot. I'm doing trying to do it myself. I think I'm hurting myself. Yeah, we're any of these answers like it will just kind of get better people were like people like you have to have braces when you sleep. I put my arms and braces, I sleep because I'm clearly bending my arms like when I sleep, and I need to like relieve the pressure if I constantly keep like bending it and doing all these things it's just gonna make a worse off to China later like fucking robot on that. It's crazy. I got the playoffs. I can't be not been in my arms. I got. I got a lot of. A lot of clapping to do a lot of club into do. Magic has an orange casts on their K clap or boo calcium their point the bears. I got to be able to boo boo. He's no, no, no. You gotta put the fucking hand up. There. You got to let it go. I see I was going to say to you like why can't you just have to end the Cup? You have to cut the hand PO nothing better than good, boo. Boo. Boos psychotic. Are you going to not be buoyant of ours? I wanna be arson it. All right. I'll be paying, but I'll be doing it. All right. Good luck Franken, docs, Sergio Garcia, and Matt Kuchar. So you know, these two they've probably been the most controversial guys in golf really that's far this year. I think there's one other big story that I'm not picking up right now that was, you know, quite a bit controversial that didn't involve these guys, but anyways, Sergio from the whole meltdown that he had over in Saudi Arabia, the messing up the greens where you just drag his feet and ripped up a bunch of the greens like five every time, you say Saudi Arabia can't believe he chose to do it in Saudi Arabia crazy town, and then the video of him going fucking ape shit and the bunkers splashing. I think three different forward backward and forward slash in the or no it was a backward. Afford to a temper tantrum and Saudi Arabia. Absolute temperatures. I don't even think like a lot got kicked out. No, no, no can't temper tantrums and Saudi Arabia now Saudi Arabia. I mean, if you like bump into somebody on the street and accident. Yeah. Is that one of the places to like if you have you steal like a a bag of popcorn cut your arm off your hand. Right. That's one of those places. Pretty sure I it's an eye for an eye type deal. Right. So he did that there, which is just crazy. He's been on kind of. He does this good PR stuff you ever go look into social media accounts. He's always like posted pictures with the troops that are helping out of the event. You know, he's doing all that trying to nonstop this. It's like it's like political bullshit where they like you like when they're making their speeches. They need this like they need every single form of race behind them for someone wheelchair someone from every single form the national college pamphlet. It's exactly yes. Yes. Yes. That's exactly what it is. Those college pamphlets are so diverse. It's we'll say things in the world incredibly diverse. Don't believe just perfectly perfectly diverse every form and walk of life. Is right there on that pamphlet. Yep. No surgery does Sergio looks at his Twitter. He's like oh shit. We've had a bad week. Let's let's go meet the troops. And let's go take a picture in front of them. And we're let's go raise the money for the kids that need help. You know? It's just every time with this guy. You know, good friends say bad. It's a it's a good way to like get if you're helping the world, that's good, whatever, we reason it. It'd be great. Great. What your intentions are? However now, he's back him and Matt Kuchar on. I think it was like the seventh hole Kuch is making a mess of the whole ends up making like fifteen footer for boat. He Sergio's got like ten feet or so maybe eight feet for par misses it steps up really quick hits over the back of his putter misses that one Kuchar is like all obviously would have given them puppet. I didn't have time he stepped up so quickly hit the putt, then Sergio they talked to rules guy Sergio's like, well, I understand that. But you should then concede. The next hole to me since you clearly wouldn't have won this whole and Cusack. It's not really my fault that so Kuch refuses to concede pair with air kind of bicker bickering for a while after the Matt Sergio what I'm saying like, yes, I was obviously my my mistake while blah, blah, you hear a great surge story from Jayco and by the way this upcoming interview. But but that was the dispute Sergio ends up going on to lose to cooter. Cougar said. I apologize. I said I don't like the way this played out. You can concede a whole is what Sergio then said to me. I thought about it and said, I don't like that idea either. What did I like about it? It's hard to say that I just kind of stuck to what the rules officials said the rule was and that was it. Yeah. Kind of crazy to see this happened in professional golf tournament. This is something that happens to tune buddies pretty crazy. Yeah. And it would've here's it's definitely Sergio's fault. There's no doubt about Sergio. Absolutely should on that. He knows Matt play incredibly well from all of his Ryder cups from playing in this. I mean, just from being a Gulf everybody knows that you can't just do that especially in official match play of it. So he's one hundred percent in the wrong there. However, there's also a little part of like cooter that you could have he could have easily stand on the side of the green been like, no, I said that was good good. You know, like they have they have. Yeah. Like, nobody would have. Nobody was going to nobody was grilling. Right. They could've eat like, even if Sergio would then looked up towards him Kuch now that was definitely good. And nobody would have ever sent a word about it. So after he admits it you're saying, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was thinking that too. Like, why not just no? That was fine. Totally like that's bullshit. Like, we're going to the next one totally. And now people are coming up being like, well, technically, he didn't officially say. It's put like dude, it's matchplay. Right. It was a four inch. Putt Kuch very easily could have if there was any speed been like, no, I said, I'm with it. But I said that was good. That was obviously good and nobody would have said a fucking word. All right. He didn't do that. He kind of went to the rules official and was like while the letter of the law. What does it say? Because technically, I didn't have time to give him the putt. And it sort of a it sorta gave me a little bit of coot. You know what you're doing? Yeah. Like, you know, Sergio messed up and that there's pressure advantages you and you chose this route. Which is by the book, technically, correct? But it's also kind of I don't know. Larry. Here's the way to. If I think for the way, I saw it was had couture and playing with someone that he really liked that. This is never even a scenario like he clearly had less respect for surgery than he does anyone else that like I just think in any other situation of Kuchis with someone that he like like, we know that he likes him, and he's played with them a bunch of times they've been out and played together in practice rounds and stuff like he does exactly we're exit saying like nobody like let's go on the next one. But maybe him in surgery just like don't have a good relationship at all. And he was like all right. I'm gonna try and needle this down to the every word in the in the thing. That was Phil. Oh, there's no problem. No problems hero. I think they walk right to the next to you. Like nothing happened. Like, I said pick it up and good. Nobody says a word. So that was kind of my take away from it. Yes. It surges fall. I still fake like Kuch. Like, you knew what you're doing. There's no doubt. And it was doing if he just had tip that caddy few. I don't think you have. Maybe you don't have that opinion. Because we don't think Kuchar has that side. It's totally correct. Yeah. That's there's no doubt of times they are change. And they are the stacking up against coochie that he's kind of an asshole. Yeah. Kind of crazy. It is wild to think how much that shifted in a month, two months. Total shifts still has got the sketchers you still that there's like white vanilla pudding. And I saw some story come out. Maybe last week that couture in L to get not only did he pay him the money. But they've also they maybe they met up and hugged, and nobody gives a they hugged at not know, if it was hugged, but there was some sort of bearing of the whatever hatchet, and he say, he met again and hugged him. Nobody. Nobody cares. Those jomie flew down there. What did he just left? What a. Visual of them like meeting in the parking lot. It's like hugs L to Ken, what am I what am name? Through point. I'm getting at all time. No matter what happens. It's it's that story's never changing the way that people feel about his name is L to Ken name. His real name is David Ortiz. Unbelievable. Gotta crazy. That's so good kind of crazy. If you're rooting for Matt Kuchar this point, what are you doing? He's so boring. But he's also now he's an asshole which is less boring, but doesn't make people like true that an. Yeah. And that an asshole unlike a cool villain way, not at all. And as like your cheap to L toucan. Yeah. I'll realize like that's been a real asshole. Yeah. That's yeah. You're not doing it for the Trix. You're just that's just who you are. Yeah. Like you pull there's almost like a better asshole in him because outside. Yeah. It's like anything someone's day or life and stuff like he's just being a dick couture is an asshole. And he hopes nobody notices now the people notice he's like Ahdab Boulter is great Astle boulders and Astle. And he knows it because he's like, yeah. They hate me because I fucking beat them. All. Well, we don't like this. He didn't tip to cabinet. Yeah. That's not sweet David Ortiz. Last thing I had on our sheet was one week until the masters masters week starts next Monday. This time next week. They'll be we'll be watching Brando and all the boys live from Gusta. We've got the women's amateur. This outer day. We've got the drive chip and putt on Sunday. And then Monday, boom, they'll be doing live from coverage. Unbelievable at the master. I accidentally hit the masters app the other day, and it was like ten days till masters Monday of like a countdown going on in the front, buddy. Let me tell you this. I heard I saw somebody tweet about this. So I did a little research the master's tournament Twitter account from masters Sunday last year until like three weeks ago had tweeted eight times and then three weeks ago. They just start ramping it up as all these videos posted a couple of days till the masters, so good engagement, totally dormant didn't say a fucking word. Now, I've been on the masters website. I was on the massive website earlier today only great websites in all sports, the color schemes everything. So crystal clear, all the pictures, and the way they or mortars. Great video on there. Like watch Bobby Jones talk about Augusta. And I'm is he back. Going through this. And they just they put across all these epic clips of Augusta and like aiming corner. These just these captions of just quotes on Malia Jones about the place about when he first got the point. I was in fucking tears sitting up stairs in the office. It's like, oh my God Gusta. So this time next week. We will be you know, we'll be in Mashreq very exciting time to be alive. Think that's all we got. We'll be back, of course on Thursday as we are every week. Congratulations that Kevin Kisner big week for tiger. Tiger looks great going into the masters. Jay, go is up next a ton of really good stories in here. This is one of our best interviews stick around you gonna like this one. Are you tired of waking up tired or being in pain throughout the day? Frankie had a little bit of this over the weekend. I bet you are. I'm so tired of pain. It's time. You drive my natural CDC at this, man. Some CBD legal in all fifty states. 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And I was like you need to come see the world man you to get out of that little fish bowl down there come out. And so this is like his first experience in New York City going around with me. And so also when he walked in Houston like Jesus there's a bar to like. What about been doing with my life? So that was my first impression of walking in here. Yeah. It's it's a good time to be too. We got baseball going on. We've had March madness going on. So it is like of all the times we try to claim we always try to claim to people. And you know, we do a lot of work and then come in their IT like what the hell are you guys doing joke? So it's a good time. We're glad you came in your big golf guy. What's you know, kind of what's the status your golf game hit us with where you're at right now man, I'm working on a grip change right now. And so so yeah. True, my golf club closes for the winter. And it opens just open backups out to the I went out to the range of the day and way long story short backstory like four or five years ago. I was I was driving go karts with Kevin Harvick. And this by the way, I'm not trying to drop names Pulmicort, Paul McCartney told me, not to drop names. So here it goes a little bit right now. Coming in. How the? As you drive on this show is better for us. But I was I was riding go carts with Kevin. And I flip to go kart and cut the tip of my finger off. So this hand right there. Oh, yeah. All messed though, fucked up. Shits gone flip go-cart good question. They told me they'd never seen it happen before. But dude when I when I drive anything I'm gonna take dominate. I'm gonna send it. Kiss up looking at your finger. You can't out. A poster put on the wall. But so anyway, flipped it and ever since that day for my golf game. It just I played. Okay. But I just it's hard to grip the club in the way, I used to so I kind of reverted to this weaker grip and and actually go in from a kid, you know, when you like we learned like all kids coming start off with a stronger grit. But I don't hit it left like because of my grips will weaker now. And I just hit like this little straight little faded. So I decided this is the season where all those times that I played with that what that wacked grip on like, this is the I need to suck it up. And you don't do it. But you guys know if you'd make grip change you have to commit to play like shit for like a while feels like you've never done anything. I've let it in your entire life. When you go to a grip change for the first time, right Dan over the ball. There's not going to can't do this. Yeah. Wow. So yeah, that's what I'm working on that right now. And I don't know just having having a good time, man. Yeah. So you've been Jordan Speiss partner. Her in the pebble pro-am. Yeah. How did that come about? Okay. Well about six years ago. I guess it was I it was my first time playing the pillow beach pro-am, and I was paired with Kelly craft. It was also a Texas guy. He won the US Senator and Jordan was paired with Tony Romo, and we played the first three or four days together and the following year. I guess it was Kelly didn't get his tour card back and Tony Romo hurt his shoulder broke, his collarbone or whatever it was. And so they neither one of them came back in Jordan called news. I came in. I mean, I'd get time plan would you want? Would you wanna play said? Yeah. So that was before you know, he hit his big lick. And it's funny because now everybody's like Cudi play without their at the public trauma. And I'm always like Jordan speed. If you're like great gives you put it's cool because the last five years we play the same group every year. So it's Jordan, and I and Wayne Gretzky and Dustin Johnson. So she pretty solid he named drafts. Demont namedrop. Bro. Five minutes into the bucket. Wayne gretzky? I almost felt like I saw your islanders your when you think about that. I mean, I mean other than the fact that it's Florida gator colours, and I'm kinda like anytime, I see the orange and blue like that being a Florida state Seminole, it's kind of I don't know other than other. It'd bring you hockey fan brings your eye colour out little bit. Yeah. That's very watch out. He's a lunatic. I'm pointing to Frankie. When we talk show what the Cutler Pasco he'll go full out. Back down. We'll keep it. Again. We got a big game. I can't be getting easy. I can't look at that. Tomorrow's back in town. So Frankie's wires are all messy. So I have I I have a podcast, and I need more people like you guys on it. Like, oh, you know, what I mean coming in here and having like your buds with you. While you're doing it seems like a good idea. I was kind of do it myself. And I'm now starting to learn something from you guys. Yeah. We kinda just hang wing it people people like that people. You know, I'm winging it the heck we tell people feel like they think that they're just sitting in the room. That's where you're going for. Yeah. You gotta do that. So what's the you ever when you're out in that group play with like, no big deal? But you know, Wayne Gretzky Dustin Johnson Jordan speedy ever like mess up like just getting like, not even golf lies. I mean like logistically or one one of the funny. I may I should say that. Yeah. Do you? Nobody was I should. I should. I was in. This isn't like a sexist comment sticking up from my buddy, Jordan. But one of the funnier things you talk about being like something funny during those rounds. Yeah. You know, I like getting like advice from Jordan or or or Dustin? I mean, this guys are the best in the world. Right. So why would you not asked off? Sometimes we like, hey, what do you think this is going to dear whatever? But at the same time they're there to play the actual tournament and win. They're not really they're like, I mean there we have fun. Don't get me wrong. But they're not they're like give me pointers. He's over. You. Gotta look at it. So he was told he gave me the line. Like, he's a man you wanna put it out like, you know, maybe like two three inches outside the right side of that Cup. And I was like cool man was like, and I'm like, hey, mine like make sure I'm all right? Like he's behind meals like am I lined up? Right. And he's like to this isn't the LPGA late. LPGA hat. He's like to stay. Heineman they'll go. Okay, you're good walk off. So when I said that to me is like this. That's great. So you kinda roasted me pretty good. Nurse playing in that group. I t you getting the jitters like like your average golfer now because I drink before. Okay, smart. Yeah. I mean, I don't get like hammer or anything but have couple of drinks, Wayne Gretzky, though, he doesn't even go hit golf balls. He just straight to the to the two straight to the bar. Oh, straight to the T. Unreal cigar. Unbelievable. And I will say this out of all celebrities professional golfers. Everyone that plays in that tournament. I've never seen. Anyone like is biggest celebrity as Wayne Gretzky, while the way that people just I mean, they will chase him down with jerseys and like people getting in fights thrown jerseys over the over the ropes Adam living legend, right like, how often do you see someone like that? Can I give you a good Wayne Gretzky us speaking, the great one this is you'll appreciate this? Imagine your name as well. Right. This is a true story. True story here, we're finishing around a golf. It's the last day the Pebble Beach Pro-Am, my brothers caddying. Actually, it's my Buddy Ryan Parsons was caddying for me that year, and he looked at Wayne he goes, hey, Wayne, I'm not assets. But could you a couple of golf balls for my Monte, boys? And he's like, oh, yes, sure. He pulls out his balls, which are the ninety nine his home as Taylor may balls at her ninety nine ninety nine any signed. Both of them. And he goes here. He's gonna do you want better to let me see that caddy bib. You got any signed it. He goes now. Go ask Jake design it in in Jordan in Dustin. He gives but when you get off the course, they're going to ask you to give this back piggies, you told me get fucked because the great one signed it. I love I love it. This is like I was like did. He just did you just call yourself the great one. He's allowed to. Yeah. Believable. While he's on the t two people would be like, great one the great one. And it's it's it's almost like it's like almost seems like biblical or something king as a king. Yeah. I have a weird history with the Wayne Gretzky just because I I got in that whole little internet fight saying, I didn't think he could play in two thousand eighteen but let's not you said he couldn't make an NFL roster and Twenty-eight really, well, you know, long story short. I said that the game has changed so much. You know, we actually on the last how like golfers from twenty eight teen if you put them in the nineteen fifties. I actually think that they would do worse. Just because they're so used to the new technology and all of this stuff. Yeah. You put like hickory Georgian there, don't you think there should be one term in a year words like the the hickory stick classic. Yeah. That would. Everybody. Everybody has to play the Niblett. That's such a good idea. Like hickory stick classic is a done deal. Even the barstool. Sports hickory stick classic. I'll call Jordan. We'll get them. All let's go. Let's be like dude, Email business. We're going to cut this. Brought to you guys Bastille the hickory classic. Even if you don't do it with hickory sticks. By replacing Eric we're not big dessert classics. The hickory stick club. I always compare that. Like, I I just think hockey has evolved so much more like t- to his style of game just wouldn't translate to this because it's just like he was able to just maneuvers way around. And I mean, no one's gonna be able to touch his statistics because that game just doesn't isn't isn't around anymore. Right. You've like Alex Ovechkin who's by far the best of all time. He can't he can't get two hundred and thirty points in a season. So as ain't tell Frankie died on the hill that Wang Don mill to make. I'm still I'm so huge Wayne Gretzky fan. He's a great one. He's the great one literally teach off the guy floats while he's playing the pro-am people calling the great one. 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Download your free guide seven key strategies to grow your profits. Nah. Sweet dot com slash four pack to golf handicaps were yet. I'm currently I think a six Osgood. Mine's a million. I'm a terrible terrible golfer. But no, I think that's the beauty of golf fan. I look when I asked what people are handicaps is not to be like how good are you? I dislike to know. And I think the thing about golf that. I love is is just anybody can play it in in. It's funny. No matter what age you pick it up because I've had a lot of buddies now never really never played golf. And then you get him out there. And it's a dictator 'cause it's so hard, you know. So we you in your handicap, I go between the contaminant twelve better years. I'm I'm closer to ten obviously. But I have the sin called the butter knives. The skull FOX, so I can't hit a ball. But forty ours in it. I just can't do it. Yeah. You skulls it because I don't know. It's a mental thing. You know, why why can't give you a little tip love it? Okay. And I mean this like it helped me my golf game a lot. And so Matt killin who coaches Justin Thomas here again? Right. Dropped dropping. No. You don't do that. At all. It's part of the story. Right. Fuck off a walk out of here right now. Every. Out this four I hate to bring this up. But it's like when you have to say that you're from Harvard. You can't just say like you did go Harvard. So it's like you have to save Harvard, bro. Yeah. You did. Yeah. What what initial reaction? We always say like, oh what school? Do you go to? He has to say like, oh, it's Harvard and everyone was oh. But you did go to Harvard like your name dropping, but you did do stuff with these people. You do to do. You can't get around. So Matt killin? I was having the same issue, man. Like, that's the thing. Lot like Amador golfers on the short shots like that. And that's the thing that's kind of backwards again with the way sports has changed technology. All that. Like everybody's interested about bombing the ball now. But you bomb it on a par four that was made for clubs, you know, a three hundred and fifty five seventy five yard par four right? A lot of guys Alemi and even Amador's are bombing it out there three hundred dollars. Right. So you've got fifty five yards to the grain that we're talking about here here skull, FOX. Okay. So fifty five yards to the green. A lot of times people like you just don't have enough weight believe it or not on your front on your left leg. Like Matt killin was working with me before I got a the gave me eggs option to plant a web dot com event last year, which that's a whole other story. Yeah. I got some questions about the auditor was terrible. But I guess I can just justify some of it. But I will let's get back to this for second. I'll tell you that he told me Matt dead. He's like look Jake. You're just like you're too much on your back leg. So what happens is like on this little short shots, and either decelerate you like you either blade it or just chunk it. It's all over the place. It's I if I try and think about like, yeah. Let's use the balance. Let's let the club do the work. I'll just chunk down. And if I say, right. Let's go. Yeah. This is good. I'm giving a shout out to you Matt killing us. He's on amazing amazing guy when it comes. I mean, he coaches a Kenny Perry. Justin Thomas, J b Holmes. He's he's got a bunch of these guys. Anyways, his deal is he told me he's like just play that ball a little further up in your stance on the on your like, maybe off your front toe. Just like put put seventy thirty wait like seventy percent on your front leg significant. Yeah. Believe it or any kind of feels like you're all mostly. But what happens is like your angle of attack is always So Chris, but that way, and it'll be the main thing is that would keep you from blatant it, and that's what kids told you to freeze. All you gotta lean when he was doing the lean with the leg right now. So it'd be my right leg. Yeah. We have kids are on the show all ties. So he made his us. He's a loved to he made a video trying to help Frankie. He's had the same thing. And he basically. Tricks out little bit like little books. Good. I got only smoke some of those things. Oh, all right. So yeah, you have to be a country music star be able to say like to wear that. I can't walk around and islanders shirt and wearing those could. Oh, I can't I feel you have to just not give shit like well can't get up to like, obviously. I mean, I mean, you you also have to wreck. You're you're like a record. You're you're you're a star. I can't now actually I'm not we're loggers. This office wearing. Get killed in this people. I mean, you wouldn't wear them. You think you I don't think you'd get fired. Listen to me, I Mike Sandia para I'd wear them. Oh, my you'd see me walk up in your one. I would be unbelievable. Whilst any like. Who's like I once wore like, a cool guy shirt. They call the cool guy Frankie shirt, I wore a shirt with polka dots on it like paint splatter polka dots. And it was on every single video series. We have here. They're like look at Frankie trying to be cool guy Franken, so you go from this garb every day to then you came in with a cool guy. Sure. Now, you're gonna committee Waco stuff every day. I try to write your smack that I respect. Everybody. I'd love to say I hear you Buffalo Bills every Bill. Not only that think about this. A Buffalo Bills fan and the torture. He's had to go through. Wasn't about me. The music city miracle. That says it was a Ford pass. It was not a forward pass was pretty clear angle that it's not yet. They are back. Back. We can make this about the who was it who was it. The told us. Oh, yeah. Another namedrop namedrop cower. That's a Bill calorie. This the greatest this is why I love you guys. I love what you do. I I really do. I love what y'all new here personal sports for the just for every guy out there and girl that just appreciates like just good fun humor in sports, talk, and whatever. But this is a great great story. Dude. Probably like you're saying you're like manual rockstar. Whatever like bullshit, like I'm just a dude that somehow got lucky, and and there's so many amazing people that are talented in music, like I'm just like a piece of sand in what is huge beach, right and Iraq-style that was a lyric, by the way that you probably going. Piece of San BP. That's why I walk into this office. Like you hear me clanking around? I'm just saying. Get the fuck you. Frankie. Hi. So tell me this is in the coolest, and so this is like what I love the most about doing what I do is the things that I'm able to do now because of the, you know, platform, I ought to where I can share stuff like my friends, and my brother and all his so I again, this is a me drop names. I feel weird saying this like we got in. I don't even know how this happened like so good Obama were voice. So Peyton Manning. Okay. Is retiring what was that three years ago four years ago when you so he has he I get this may mazing text from Peyton saying, hey, man, you've been a part of my life outside of football. I played his charity of interview times with music, and he's always been a fan of what I do which is really cool some fan of his and he said, hey, I'd love for you to come out to my retirement party that his wife was thrown for him is in L A. I was like dang, man. I gotta be in candidate like the next day. I was like how can you pass up going to going to Peyton Manning's retirement? Party. I'm promising you when we got there. And I went with me we went at the time. Thanks to these folks who worked with its Cessna and stuff I had like a barter thing with them and they flew us out their private, and we're gonna fly us from there. The next day private to buffalo. So we can cross the border and go into Canada and play my show will were sitting at the bar at sunset marquee in L A, and I look over and Bill calories. Just sitting next to me. And I've I owners and I'd come across Bill before is when I was out on tour. Kenny Chesney, we played at the Steelers stadium, and he came out and whatever. So I was like, hey, Bill. He can't recognize and he's like, hey, Jay, what are you doing here? Are you going to pay this thing say, yeah? And he looks at Endo and he sees at Buffalo Bills. And he's like, you know, Jim Kelly is going to be there. Right. And at that moment and does kinda like seriously ever met, Joe Kelley. No. But it's like. And so we get there the way long story short. They'll cowers he by the way, I said Bill you wanna ride with us over there. Whatever it's like, oh, we're just gonna Uber. You know? Right. Bill cowardly. Bill. So Bill Keller hops in we all ride over there together. And he's like, I'm introducing you and to to Jim Kelly. So you introduces them to Jim Kelly. He they talked for a while we proceed to just get hammered drunk, and I'm thinking, you know, what I wonder if Jim excuse me owner Jim Kelly's going to buffalo tomorrow because I have a fly a private flight going to buffalo. Could that be you'd see if he'd come and until and whatever? So I was like, hey, hey, Jim, you know, are you going to buffalo tomorrow? He's like, yeah. Seven forty five. AM southwest flight L, Mike, cancel it yet. Listen, and I told him I was like something I play like I just got looking if they gave me the plan to use like you wanna fly with us. And he's like hail. Yes. Oh, my so the next morning check this out then. Yes. The next morning he meets us at the airplane and for four hours on the lane. He sits there and talks to Ando who's like been heartbroken four Super Bowls in a row, and he, but the stories Jim Kelly told me about everything he's been through from you know, his son that he lost to cancer is dealing with two. He was open right there in front of his wife about his trials and tribulations with like, an, you know, not being faithful, you know hose. Yeah. Tell all story ball of us. And then he and oh forever has always used a rubber band or like a hair tied at two as like a money clip. You know, and he pulled it out for something and Jim's like seriously, that's what you use like, you know, and and as I in in Jim goes from not an a hold on a second and look pulled out right now. And I'm talking about your money Clinton. Not your cock. Oh, real Bill bill's money clip that that that by the way, he pulled off his own wide and draw and gave it to Ando. And so my point in this long over, you know, long winded story is that it's cool to sing music. It's cool do whatever like to be able to do something like that. And have the ability that would have never happened. I don't know how in the world we got to the point where on a private jet with with Jim Kelly, and my best friend in the world who loves the bills in gets to sit there for four hours of them and talk to them about anything and everything and to me like out of all the shit. I've done in my career. I swear on my life. That moment was like the most fulfilling moment for me to see my buddy like lighter on you know, what I mean is super of the math things that had to happen for that this to to have them both sitting there is crazy Jesus. That's awesome. Yes. So tell us about how you play golf with Jesus Christ. I forgot this must be about golf me about anything. I got a good Jesus Christ Goff story. Do you want to hear? So so Jesus and Moses are playing golf together at Cyprus point. I don't know if you guys I've been been or know about Cyprus point. But number sixteen is just like two hundred and fifty yard over the ocean shot to small green. And so Jesus are Moses gets up there. And he hits, you know, he he's like what are you gonna hit? And he's like I'm going to five iron and Jesus is like a five iron. It's two hundred thirty arts. He's like it's what Arnold Palmer would do. And he's like, whatever. So he he hits shot out there and goes right in the ocean. And Jesus told you he's like, okay. A wherever will your Jesus they used apart the water, and I'll just go out there and hit my shot. He's like, no, no, no, no, no. You're going out there on your own. He's in. He's like, you know, you could walk on water. Can't you Jesus? He's like I didn't hit it there. You're going out there. So next thing, you know, you see Simos is he's. Going out there, and he's guys pull up on the T behind him. And they see Moses like literally like walking like partying LARs like walking on water out there to get his ball. And and he says who's this guy think he is Jesus Christ. Jesus goes. Nope. Thinks he's Arnold. Palmer. Uh-huh. About a big little being what about a that? You played Augusta. I have fuck off. You kidding me? No. That's your buddy getting the money clip is better than fucking playing Augusta. Totally. Oh, and I mean, I I shouldn't say it is a great. So I mean because to me Gusta here though. Yeah. And look me in again, like just notice respect to Augusta National and all the kind people that have taken me to play there. What do you mean all of them? How many times have you played? I've played a lot. Oh my God. What are we doing with this guy? You kidding? It was I've had some amazing experiences. There at Augusta. I don't like to talk about it. Honestly a lot. And I'll tell you why. Like, one of the thing they ask you. When you go there as they say, look, we're glad to have you here and everything, but like just please kind of try to keep this like this is a special place here. So actually was doing an interview few weeks ago when someone asked me about it and to tell them about my round, and I'm like man, I just really want to talk about so expect like I want to go back there and play again. And it's just further builds the mystique of it that you played there. And you can't talk about that makes people all about that mystique. We've I've been there. I watched the guys they float out of the trees and they're wearing green jackets whenever something we were there for a practice round. And and say let you guys in there. Oh, I was in there. We bought tickets. Sunday that Sergio one I was I was bouncing around like a rabbit that was in every every good shot. That was at that day. I was right there on the ropes. Somehow, we saw these guys appear out of these trees, and then they just disappeared. Like, it was a little tree ocean on the green. And all of a sudden these guys just appeared in green jackets, and then they disappeared back into the alleyway. So we know all get Sergia story for you. Oh, here we go. Let's go played with Sergio in my best friends. Mardy fish? I grew up with mardi Marty play professional tennis for Lauda years, but Marty's a member BelAir in LA, and he's really good friends with Sergio. So he asked he's completed the so play with him in at air after the nine toll. You have to go through this some like tunnel. Getting an elevator go up through the clubhouse stopped get yourself cocktail, and they walk out on the terrorists to the tenth t box, which is a par three. And as we get up there. We're grabbing a drink in this old guy spots Sergio, so he comes over to him. And he does one of these things where he puts his hands on both of his shoulders, and he goes. Sergio. I got it till you. He's like, you're just such a wonderful, man. And I love watching you play golf, and my wife, and I we just got back from Italy. And we lovely KOMO, and I just love your country and Joseph Sergio's like, oh sink is so much still. He's like I just wanted you to know is Italy's one of the most beautiful places I've ever been in the whole time. I'm sitting there thinking like the skies off off I'm like surges from buck and Spain. Spanish, you know, what I mean like, but the guy, but the best part about it was is Sergio is just like, oh, thank you so much so nice of you to say that. We turned around and walked off. And he's like I'm from fucking Spain. So those those like my highlight of surprise you just took care. Well, that's what's cool, man. He's like, you know, and he gets a lotta shit. I'll be honest. I told him that like, dude, I didn't like you. I've never liked you. I just didn't wanna like you kind of like kind of like struck me as like kind of like a is a brat. He's a little. Yeah. Self you know, but like after planning with with him that day Goff. He's a great guy. And he's in. I've learned that about a lot of people, man. I think we all like sometimes put like, you know, we preface people based off things we've heard we've done that on this podcast, many a times, and you meet the person rice and Jason Thomas couple who Bubba Watson. Bryson the guy who I he's a nerd he's a fucking nerd, and I think everything about is nerdy. I think he's not genuine, and then he came on the podcast. Bodied me. A couple of times Frankie on sharing me for not hitting wedges. He goes, at least, I don't have the you know, what he said to me one time, and this is for you, Brian. So I the guys at Cobra Puma golf like have been good to me for so many years. Like, that's that's the orange. I play the everything. And so I was in the trailer at Phoenix Open, and he came walking in and I was like abra. I never met him. Hey, how you doing? Congrats on everything you know, like what you're doing. I was like dude I grabbed your clubs earlier out of your bag, which by the way, his grips. I don't know if you know. And all about it. But it they're so weird. Yeah. Mike things are unbelievable. And he goes into like this ten minute dissertation about like, Jake. You should really. I mean, these one linked clubs leagues, really tribal. But y and fuck I'm like, dude. I would rather fuck and shoot a hundred with my shady clubs than ever have to go through that ten minute. Fucking story. You know, what I mean, just like dude just let me get back to regular golf science like a scientist designed just wanna come. You asked him about the clubs, and he said how he's changing the game of golf, and how kids in the future only going to have to get one iron and learn one wing and all is actually cool. It takes people that are crazy sometimes that crazy, but like has their own way of doing things in or look y'all did it. I mean, look barstool sports, right? Like, you did a cool thing that's different than in. And I'm sure there's lots of people these fucking idiots. Great. Yeah. No, definitely. What would you? And you tell you what stories I've never met Tiger Woods, man. Always. I I only we'll see should I now do it. Just do it. Will it happens? It's like an Augusta story. I will say though, he was there when I was there, and it was like the couple of weeks before the masters that made me feel chilly eat like, I I'm more of those. I love everyone in a goes. I think they know that how much I respect the place, but I was staying on the putting green, and I didn't know there judo's on the putting green with another buddy mine is very famous person. And when this when Tiger Woods walk by. And neither one of us knew I looked in my buddy who was totally bitching out dude who just like. I think did you just totally. But the coolest part was about it is like he didn't even acknowledge her existence. He's he just stone cold just walked right passes. But he has that aura about it. Yeah. I was gonna say it was he sparkling. No. He wasn't sparked. I figured like Tiger Woods. You can't see him at Augusta. I figured he'd just like black. He was the same way. Like, he's almost like a go-slow. Yeah. He's walking around the place, you can tell but he's kind of trying to get hotter. Like sometimes like the ghosts will come down in at as I call. There goes tiger. He's been here for a thousand years, but the minute the sun comes up tug at the ghost Tigers already playing like the tenth hole in the morning. I feel like yeah. Just walking down tiger. Yeah. Who doesn't know mayb- speaking of which the match-play championship right is going on right now had just finished up. His who won kids are boy kiss, his one milk. Crazy. So who beat tiger tiger beat Rory's? Right. You're a guard guy. You're a tiger beat ROY in the morning. And then and then kids ended up one of the whole thing. I actually got a picture from kids this morning. He has a look at his foot. He said he got a unknown injury last night. That's probably that was maybe this from all that walking during a match. Yeah. Probably sure. No, definitely kids. Want to beat Matt Kuchar was awesome. Great kids. One of our guys one point seven million. Pretty good day. I did give Phil Mickelson a lotta shit though, at Jordan speech, wedding, Jordan, got married in November. And Phil was there and it was the day after he played tiger. Oh, and I walked up to him. And I was like this funny story. I said, hey, he didn't he didn't really know me other than he and I won the Arnold Palmer award together the Arne award, which they give to like golfers who give back golf digest us. And we want it together at Pebble Beach other than I don't think he really liked new me or anything. But I just I had a few cocktails and I saw him across the room. And I was like I gotta get tell the scout. I think so walked over to fill Eulmi fucking twenty nine ninety nine. And he's like what he's he's like what he's he's in the middle of a conversation. I was like basically kind of looked at me like who is this guy. I'm like dude seriously, you'll between hundred nine as like for wasting four hours of my life with shittiest golf I've ever seen like you. You. Like, the best golf you guys hyped. This whole thing up about this big match. You guys couldn't even make three birdies between the two of you. I want my twenty nine ninety nine back and apologized to me for some shady go God. And he pulls out a wad out of his out of his thing. And he grabs a hundred a hundred dollar Bill. He's like his one ninety thousand of these yesterday. Oh, I guess take a hundred and go fuck yourself. Right. He real swear you did. And then so I was like so I got real wasted, man. Like real hammered at his wedding. And the next morning. My girlfriend was like a I don't know if you like if you have Phil Mickelson's number or not. But the best part was like he was avoiding me all night because so hammered just ripping on him. And then at the end the end of the night, we I was going back to like the trolley that gets us back to the or shuttle that gets us back to the hotel. And I'm I'm stumbling to the trolley man like that's what you do at weddings time. And I'm stumbling to this trolley because it's my girlfriend's had enough. She's pregnant, you know, she's totally sober. She's like, let's get you out. Here is terrible. And we get to the trolley were waiting, and as we walk halfway, and I look up and the other two people waiting for the trolley was fill in Amy. Yeah. He's looking he's like, oh my God. He's like so pissed like he's going to have to ride the next morning. My girlfriend tells me like a big dick like your total, dick. And I'm thinking sitting there thinking, like whatever, you know. It was just having fun. Good time. So fast forward to this year, the Phoenix Open. Now, it's been since November. I hadn't seen or talked. And I was worried I was worried he's gonna be pissed and I find out the first day of Phoenix Open of the Phoenix Open. Pro in the reason, I is bringing this up. You're talking about cuter. I I got paired with Phil Mickelson and the Marone. Yeah. And I walked up to the thi box thinking like, dude. I gotta apologize whatever. And as I'm walking up to the thi box filled looks. I mean, he's like JD. Oh, this is gonna be funded day. And it was silk. As like, listen, man. I'm so sorry. He's like Jake seriously in this. Now, this what I like about Phil even more now is Phil can be that guy to that you see on TV and think that he's too serious or you know, he gets a bad rap sometimes on that phonies. Phonies, not he's the funniest coolest dude in the world. And we played that. I'd never played with them in play nine holes that day, and then I switched and played with future after but he told me Jake, I love that. You did that you weren't even you weren't out of place at all. He's like it was really funny. And he said I wish more people like giving she's because everyone like give them kisses his. I thought it was hilarious. Yeah. Maybe not so much thought. It was fun. That's crazy. Roller coaster that was a while as a roller coaster in the beginning of it. I wanted to like crawl out of the studio because I was so I can't believe someone would approach someone like that. But like you said like you just told him out. It was we all wanted to go all the money that bought that thing and wash it was like really I spent four hours of my if you had the balls to say at the Phil Mickelson insane. It's it's amazing him going. I got ninety thousand of these fucking. He did. He did such a good live. We gotta hear about playing the web dot com about half to hear about it. First of all the one day on here about is. When you bury that guy on Twitter this like random, Doug, dude? Here's the thing. I I know for a fact like there's this misconstrued story that I went to college to play golf, right? Much wind brother who's here. I told you about he played full ride at Florida state, and I had some smaller scholarships to go smaller schools, but they didn't have a scholarship from me at Florida state. So I was going to go there and just do the golf team are try to walk on the team. But I went early to do summer camp ended up not working out. And quite frankly, it was misconstrued as if I played there. I didn't play there because honestly just wasn't good enough. And and so I'm okay to say that, but with that said, I still love golf and all these years later people still think that like I'm this big offering they offered me a exemption at the web dot com. That was played in Nashville, and it was Snickers charity. It was kinda running it. So they thought it'd be good to have me there as like to help with the publicity of it. And I was a little nervous. Like do. I practice hard. That's where the whole Matt killin thin. Came in and worked with me for while. And I'm else striping it. I thought there's no way I wanna go out there and shoot any worse. Like if I play battle shoot seventy eight seventy nine FOX police more. My dad was going to caddy for me. But I got out there the first day and after the front nine I made a nine on the ninth hole. I was playing pretty well up until the ninth one hit two out of bounds off the tee. And I just I was pissed and so I shot like forty four or something on the with a nine on the whole and some asshole on Twitter starts chiming in like who brew or why is why are they letting this this piece of shit play? I mean, you can't even break forty on the front nine he's making nine out there, whatever. And I was just like, bro, you you're welcome to come here and kiss my ass. Because I'm not last I checked like, I'm not I'm not a pro golfer. I'm not trying to be a pro golfer. I'm desire trying to have a good time. I mean, you're you and your nine followers. Or whatever. But I didn't play. Well, though, I shot two eighty sixes. Okay. I got eighty six. Oh, yeah. But you know, what on hill Cabrera played in front of me the guy won the master's and the US open. He shot eighty four the first day. Okay. So yeah, you're allowed to shoot Eighty-six. Like, yeah. You're saying you're not out there trying to forgive masters. I wasn't just oh I really wasn't trying to. But like that's the thing in general. I've learned in you guys knows like people are haters. There's all kinds of haters out there. Just really I feel like I'm going to do that just likes being with his friends and having a good time. And I'm like a normal guy. Right. Like, and I get people focused all the time. Like, they owe you skies, not countrywide you sing a country me like, but I finally just got to appoint a life where it's don't care. What people think man? And I don't think it's it's fair to go back at him either. And be like f you, you know, whatever. But I'm just kind of I kind of more comfortable these days in my skin of just like enjoying life in the things I get to do. And also, you can think of it the other way like we were saying like we give Bryson a lot of hate until he came onto our podcast Billick. He now, I can probably think of that. When people hate me. It's like, well, they don't know me yet. Right. Like, the they they can see things that I do that. They don't like. Tweet at me and hate me. But like the day that I meet them like at a bar or something they'll be, you know, he's not that bad. So it's the same thing we do on this podcast. And we ended up meeting the person's like oh shit. Like Bryson's actually, cool, dude. Yes. That's the same thing. So yeah. And it's cool. You said that because I mean, you guys just even have me on here on this on. I mean, I've I've played music for lots of years and that, and that's what people know me. You don't get on stage. It's like seeing seeing like be won't get to know my personality on news stories. So what you guys are doing here. Even for me is like giving me a chance to introduce myself to people out there that that that are that you guys have built a following on that they get maybe in a way they didn't. So maybe maybe turned the douche meter around on some of the city or just like shoot the shit be a really cool. Formal dude is incredibly reveal and most people would never be able to figure that out because like you said, you're either protected or doing it's this PR that PR where you're just up on stage of people don't really know who this guy is so few to shoot the shit as awesome. Last thing. We gotta get to talk about the album. Let's let's plug the out. Thanks, man. I appreciate that. I again, like I'm just out of place in life where I'm really discount. Happy like with who. I like because I think no matter what people tell you or not, you know, every one of us. I think and as a man, I I can tell you like, I'm there's things I'm insecure about you know, what I mean? I'm okay to say that out loud in front of a bunch of other dudes. And that's okay. Like, but you learn as you go through life that those sorts of things like don't matter you become more confident. And I think this record for me is like the most confident I've ever felt making music because I have felt when I say insecure, I feel like I have be from Vero Beach, Florida. I grew up on the beach. I that doesn't mean anything about country music or I love it. And I have a deep history into that. But I think this record now when people listen to this record for anybody that would have ever thought they like, I'm not like don't know anything about country music. It's my way of like showing everyone and then now seeing like man like this in a cool place, and he really liked his records, really countries. Got some great songs on it. But then it's also got this stuff on there that I that I love doing to like the more coastal Floridian sort of thing. We're on my my roots. But jets called greetings from Jake. You just came out last Friday. Day. And I'm really proud of it. I've had number one off of it with. I was Jack you're dying down to the honky tonk did really well for us. And our new song that's about come out. It's called drink all day. Can't drink. All dave. You'll start a morning you through song and great. Great. So Dave is right. Yeah. You know, how that is? I mean, you get on that golf course. Eight AM and your buddies like really want to be to it's eight AM say ginger start started morning. Well, everybody go check it out go, and you're the man, you're great, dude. Couple you have a couple I've I've a golf playlist and I'm getting ready to reveal to the World Cup comb Rigsby playlists, call rigs e jams Jay because our fans like to give me nicknames. But I got a couple of your songs on ninety bear barefoot barefoot blue Jean night is on their beaches on their nice. So big fan. We share come by a lot of good stories. Thank you very much. Yeah. Of course, man. Thank you guys so much, and this was really cool being able to come in here today and everybody it looks like they're working in years having a good time. So next time you skull fucking ball. I want you tweeted at me because I think it's it's contagious and aimed to share. And then when we were off here, my twin brother, I have a like a golf hole at my house has got I built this little pond in its green on the other side of the pond. So you hit across the pond of this. This shots only like two hundred fifty yards and my brother who was out there with a sailor day. And he can't stand it because I was videotaping him any halls. Oh, rocketed like. Yeah. It is. It's kind of like a skull fund. Yeah. That is our man, we appreciate it. Big. Thank you.

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384: An Audio Tour of Wayne Gretzky's Mansion: The Taj MaHockey

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So there's actually there's actually six or seven things that need to happen before you hit record. Okay right and. We had them as. You used to be. You'd say to jam or why do you always start in then have to get up and get a coffee exactly. Well, because I it needs to be fresh full and hot. Okay. So I can't get a ten minutes before it won't be it won't be it won't be hot. Okay. So then you acquiesced to that. Okay. All right. So you understand. Okay, it's time for the hang on. Copy. It's one workout live with. It's fine. Okay. But now there's about six. Okay. So it's the coffee needs to be done. Okay. The furnace needs to be turned off. All Right Stevie The pack of smokes needs to be put on the table Hey which I did today. Okay. So I got the coffee as Oh. Hang on hang on it didn't turn the furnace off. So we have to stop then I did that hang on I got to get the package darts. Okay. We got that and you're like, okay, right? Yeah. No hang on. I gotTA get the Ashtray Steve Okay I. Got I got the Little Tin Bowl full of water okay I. GotTa get that and they're like, Hey, can we go oh no get the lighter okay I forgot. Yes these are all the ceremonial things. This is all the structured stuff that happens every daily gentleman, and that's so that's enough and then meanwhile there's like the stuff beyond your control like yesterday you through in the dagger to go to the bathroom now. or though the some guy named Roddy just popped in and like just randomly coming through your house Jimmy what what the Hell's going on over there. I don't. I got an open door policy. Then now the other you're finding. On. I. GotTa Get I gotTa, get the candle I need the scented candle because I'm smoking in my house now it's winter I swore I, wouldn't and. So those six or seven things which you would think can you just do all those Jim and then let me know what I can log on the. Record. So I really think you really think ascended can't candles going to help your house any. Cigarettes you're going to smoke in this show. It does I got the triple I went to bed bath and beyond place. Went shopping with my chick and she loves those places and and her house smells really good. I go into her house on my. Smells like poetry. You know this is unbelievable. You know. How this is unreal. This is nice. Yeah. Just the candles so caught twenty-five fish they cost you stevie, but at the three weeks. Okay. Your Wife All about the candle she must be. Oh Yeah. Yeah there's one there's one. There's once he gets every year at Christmas and just become the smell of Christmas. It's the smell of like how a campfire might smell in the wintertime. It's unbelievable all that. Yeah. I got the flannel even get when it says. There's a thousand candles you can get. Steve. Flannel like. I get that get finally. Get this melting. Yeah. So anyway, it works TV it works. Okay. Even when you blow it out, Steve You blow it out it lingers. Well. Then it becomes a Potpourri or something or what do you call it What do you call this? The sticks that just sort of smoke forever. Sage sage sticks or something I don't know Cunning Design Steve By the candle company. It's it's county linger. Off. On That one. Stevie. Going to take a lot there by the sound of. Hiller and Around the. The linger. Guy Say had an old guy moment today. By the way I know that usually this portion of the show is devoted to your old guy moments. I had a rare one today. It started the other end of the spectrum you think back to when you're nineteen and the excitement of going to the liquor store and. Doesn't ask for I D or something like that or the first time you get into a bar without the masking Friday big day. Yeah. So this is kind of the. Exit sort aside, the polar opposite of that level of excitement. So I I went to a new barber today. Liked him. He's great and everything. But we hadn't before. So you get the Cape on and everything Tux that thing in around the collar so the hair doesn't get back and so immediately into the small talk goes. So do you work or are you retired and I was like, oh. This is literally the first time in my entire life or anybody suggested that I might be retired based entirely on the look of me. Right. Yeah. I got that hurt that hurt. I got the I. Get it. I get it because I forget where it was. Maybe Hawaii. Last. August. To shop for groceries because we as like a Condo we rented. And and running through there and realizing that you're going to. Hawaii. You've never been there but you you'll hopefully you'll get there one day but the price of food is exorbitant STI OF GROCERIES OCCA- it's off the map. For whatever reason I guess it's not like this is this is an island. That that doesn't get a lot of action. You know it's okay. It's a state in America, but the loaf of bread is twice what you pay anywhere else. For example. So you're six seven bucks. So I remembered by these grosses Holy Jesus forget the exchange I'd soon as I get there, I don't deal with exchange folks anymore. Okay. I don't go. That's twenty bucks all. Yeah but that's you know that's Twenty eight dollars Canadians I. I don't do that. There it's that currency. That's what we're dealing with. However. Whenever during the Grocery Shopping Holy Jesus you know how much? Hundred and ten dollars which I'm usually good Stephen Guessing what the the TAB will be for the groceries run through. You know I'm always within five percent I've been shopping my whole life. I thought this is a sixty dollar touch here no one hundred ten. And then it's kind of saying as to the girl Holy God is Inter a lot of money here she goes. You should have waited till tomorrow sir? Why Seniors Day. Aussie. That's exactly how I felt to. Say over sixty five, you get over what over how old? Sixty five. Yeah. I. Feel Your Pain Buddy. All right by the ways, your phone blowing up right now with photos from Russ Court and let the golf course Y'all Ruskin Russ can step back candy inaugural. When our weather is going completely south not in a good way. Look at the last one he just sent the fairway looks like it looks like a eight lane race track the way they've cut the fairway. Zozo championship or something is happening invitational thing but it's all the big gunners. It's all top guys in the world. This was an event that taggers started hosting years ago. He may still be the host whatever that means whatever that means it's a it's a four day PJ tournament. I ninety guys there's probably no cut. and it's at Sherwood, which is the famous golf course were Wayne Gretzky lives in place Sherwood is in a place called West Lake California where a ton of celebrities live. It's quite it's quite the hike from downtown. La It's it's probably a forty five minute drive north west La and wrestlers to what's that. Lives there. Russ lives there too. He's been there a long time. A so you've heard US talk about it a lot golf versus two hundred and fifty granted join. Sure what but but lots of up to kind of hide. So there's like Justin Timberlake's goto place up there and WHO's The guy? Does hosts American idol for years. The Old Ryan seacrest Ryan seacrest is up there mark. Wahlberg might be a ton other guys selleck Tom Selleck I've seen around kick around a bunch of occupiers. Lenny. Dykstra. Is. Up there what a story speaking that check check out the Lenny dykstra story. GUYS BEEN IN JAIL Steve Been in I've heard a lot of his story because Howard stern has a whole bunch of characters on his show. He calls them the wack pack 'cause they all have their those call them quirks and he brings them on and they're entertaining in their way and leading dykstra is. He's almost pseudo member of the wack pack because is so out there and outrageous and yeah, he did do a little time. Yeah, he he bought. Wayne's house went. So Wayne when the first house Wayne bought or second? House Wayne bought there was big twenty five Thousand Square Foot House. Okay. The called the Taj Mahal. Is the nickname for. And it's it's it's on mountain peak. In the middle of the golf course. So, you really have this three six. It's just it's just opulence beyond belief you know and Lenny dykstra bought that he bought that house because Lenny Dykstra made a zillion dollars in the car wash business. He did other things that along the way. He's come up with a book. Okay. This is why I saw him the other day and I don't know if it was an old a two year old thing that maybe that book was that old I was was probably on Youtube or something was looking at an interview that a sports guy doing with but he ended up buying that house from way. and. Then Wayne is now back in that house, you bought it back from. So he went to roll on that lent Lenny bought it but that hosts any went broke and couldn't afford it. So we put it up on the market again so I don't I don't know where he lives. Now if he's but he's an interesting story, he's been through thick and thin man A. Sudden Wayne, do well on that real estate shuffle when all was said and done wait I've known I've known waiting for thirty plus years and he's only bought and sold houses because they because they wanted to not because they needed to like get. Of course much bigger. Do you need when you had a paltry eight thousand square feet your first? And You know a big house is three thousand square feet. Yeah. They just said well, let's go back into it. Let's win and every time you made money. I like when he moved to L. A. Lived on the famous Mulholland drive, you've heard it movies all the time and we have to sell it to move to a different area and made. Made money on that one he it's pure lucky set. So what beyond beyond the actual price tag in the size of things at his house like when you wander through the Taj Mahal, which I love by the way is a name right when you wander through that place. Like water maybe a couple of two or three things that just. Beyond what I imagined like, what are maybe two or three things that make your jaw drop as you wander through that place. good great question because there's a number of it. So the property itself. Has the main building Steve. Sounds like a complex being. The main one is twenty, five thousand. Square feet. There's a bridge from that house that goes across the. Four five or six car garage though like. that's a separate building, but there's a bridge that goes over to that garage and above that as an apartment a that building. Now back behind that is a tennis court with with another. House there overlooking the tennis court. This is on the same property. Okay. They use that as a gym. The way on the other side of the property is a guest house. Okay. So there's one two, three, four, four separate buildings on the property itself. Okay. The dining room, for example. What your dining room, you could probably put a leaf in that table Stephen Getty people around. You I'm guessing. Whatever your normal. Mine mine if I had to. I. GotTa. I gotTA Open dining room off my kitchen I could probably get seven or eight people in their. Their their dining room holds thirty five people. Out. There's three separate circular tables of twelve. There's There's There's there's nine bathrooms in the joint. There's a there's something like twenty, one televisions throughout the place. There's a there's a movie theater which people go. Yeah. Okay. People call it a movie theater, but it's really just a rumpus room with with a big screen TV no no. No, it's a movie theater. Okay. With twenty five seats that recline that are in a row with popcorn. dolby sound surround all that. You know it's a full on deal. I always thought that was kind of staggering twenty-five. What what he? He ever had twenty five people in there. I don't know I. Don't you know the kids the kids are I mean this kids are growing outright tie just got married his Paulina's married of course, the Dustin. Two kids at home Emma who's I don't know she must be seventeen or eighteen now. And and she's the big tennis player right? Big Tennis player. Yeah really good. Really good tennis player and Tristan is a really good Golfer. He's gone to pepperdine on a scholarship I. Don't know what's happening. There was school. But he's real good. So they live at home but. The. The funny thing that would stick out for you for sure is of we walked around the house every everything, the the the decor is through the roof. Okay. She Rolls Pretty. Good? Janet. You know from from the antique. The Room I stay in that house when I go my room. In fact, they call Jim's room Steve Kerr. Gyms. Room. They still call Jim drew me when I'm not there s Jim through. The poster. A bed frame poster. POSTER, bed, frame is. The knobs on the end of its deavere, probably like a thousand bucks, knob right. He take for me to be talking like this right now but. And then what what would stand out is where everyone hangs out Steve Okay so you twenty five k. here of square footage. is in the Seven Hundred Square. Foot. Kitchen. Okay. So when you come back to the, there's always lots on on lots of staff no running the house and then looking after things but but everyone crowds into a table that holds six and there's always like. There's always people around. tweet out that stuff It looks like it's a really fun atmosphere the way they. Cram themselves in together even though they've got thousands of square feet to spread out in, right? Yeah. S Families Do. Yeah. Anyway it's. It's really hard to explain. You know I could explain to you. I would understand if you said to me, your neighbor has a five thousand square foot house I can picture that I know what that looks like. You know six thousand begins kind of staggering six look at this joint right there's four bedrooms. A Monster House multi, it'd be vaulted ceiling Steve Maybe two staircases. If it was a two story, you know there might be a front and back and all that. Sure. But twenty five, thousand square feet the Hallway Steve I pasted off one night. So it's one hall that goes from one side of the House right down the middle of the house right to the foreign. Fifty yards or something. I remember watching yards. Yeah. Fifty Yard Long. I pasted off I. Think I put it on twitter. Walked it off one day. Fifty. What about like hockey memorabilia is Wayne keep some of his. Probably would be able to put together the most amazing collection of hockey souvenirs of any player. A couple of things it's funny. You bring that up. So he has a warehouse of stuff. and. That originally was in Phoenix. It may because he of course, he lived in coach there and and I've been to that place. That's where he had an office there and his manager had an office there, and then they warehoused a bunch of wind stuff. Big Warehouse. Yeah, it's big. Yeah. It's probably I, don't know it's like. It looks like a home depot in behind all the. Choice of shelves and shelves of stuff what people don't realize true is he has a number of things that he hasn't released. Of. Of for example, you might recall there's a pretty cool photo that got a lot of action with Wayne Mario, lemieux, and Gordie Howe walking together across an outdoor rink, an outdoor ice skating, not not with ring for. There in the Bush almost walking through there right I don't know if you can look that up. You'll see it's pretty cool photo of. The three of the greatest players, right? Yeah. So he's got more stuff like that. I think that? No one's ever seen that. That that he might release one day or not and certainly not about the money of it but it is a business. Right? There's there's you can order stuff from Wayne Gretzky. Warehouse is now where he did but but the two other significant places where his most highly valued. Personal collection is. Is it in his house in Brantford in the basement with Walter. Yup. that. Place of course is. And the other one was his restaurant in Toronto where. Super Cool Shit super cool. Stuff of game were jerseys of Olympics and world championships. Skates from. You know the the last game he played I think those skates were in the restaurant, but he shut the restaurant downright it closed down this week. Or this this last month. And a friend of mine Brian Aaron Worth from a company called framework is in their gathering all that up to store it. Right to keep and so. There's not much in this house actually there's not much not much stuff in this. House. Well maybe going to grab something for me because you know how well I I. Treat. Wayne. Gretzky Paraphernalia. Bag Keep it keep it away from Michael That's the key. That's the key to it. All have to get my own little warehouse in the backyard. Anyway. That's neat. That's neat to hear about that that that really takes the good listener inside on that stuff because. I mean, there's that's a cottage industry right going back to the old Robin Leach law other rich and famous right and that's that's the most famous hockey player of all time into kind of hear some behind the scenes stuff. That's cool I'll give you something else interesting about that. So. Fine and Dandy right to say, Oh, my God, what kind of stuff does this guy? Have you know because the thing about a Wayne Gretzky or a Michael? Jordan. Or a Tom Brady or Roger. Federer. Or move for that matter or. I don't know who who you know. Willie mays all these guys is everything they touch becomes collectible. Sure everything. Okay from. equipment. Of course right equipment. But but here's a car that he sat in. Here's here's a seat that was his his father sat in when he came to the rank. Here's. Here's his Coffee Cup that he drank out of. His a piece of gum member that Visa Yeah. To that's two of the most absurd. chewed gum was Barry Bonds and then there was also. On ebay a vial of Elvis's sweat. What that exactly. But yeah, they're that kind of stuff out there. Right. So what happens with that Steve Okay so so now who knows what who knows what that's worth? Okay. Who knows what? Grabbing a dinner plate from Wayne's houses worth of someone's stolen. And said I was at this function grab thicket and we're going to auction it off. You know. So with that, those Steve. So you got a very valuable industry here and brand in the Guy Wayne Gretzky with that comes a lot of scamming. Okay. A lot of people putting stuff out there that. That that says it's authentic and it's Wayne Gretzky and it's it's a it's a big problem. It happens all the time and the reason I know this is In. Fact Wayne was here and then we shot down to Branford for his Golf Tournament that his dad was Walter Gretzky classic and Wing Wing showed up one year and I was with him and I was GonNa Mc the GIG and they had a silent auction. Imagine, the lineup for this silent auction Steve Okay of people who aren't even in the tournament trying to bust into the clubhouse, right? Okay. Because many of the items were signed by certainly by Walter but but a lot by Wayne and he has a full-time guy that he pays. A lawyer that looks after trying to try to police people coming out with with duplications of stuff and right. So I went to the side of thing I was with his brother Glen and we were walking I said, let's go to the auction stuff because I'm I got to promote it right I'm I'm emceeing the GIG right so you know you've done these right don't forget forget over here. We need the money for I hated doing those. Yeah. Hated doing it to buy we walked along and. This is what Glenn is doing like this. Look at this he goes that's a fake. That's not his that's not his signature. That's a fake. That's. Fake fake fake fake. Might be faked. That's real. So it's like. Yeah. Yeah. The guys it's The They Duplicate his autograph. Annual. Do Do I mean when you say I think about a Guy Gretzky's rookie card and I, sold it a number of years ago for like six hundred bucks some guy in l. a. and it's probably worth two three times that. But this I said so little faith because counterfeiting got kept getting so more and more common and to me if you unless you've got like the real. Upper. Deck started putting like Hologram logos and like just like cash. It was hard to replicate. But those early ones like Gretzky rookie or seventy, nine, eighty peachy and then before. To me, it's just cardboard and ink and to me that would be if somebody who is really into it and wanted to go to town, it would be almost impossible to spot these fakes. and. Then you mix in the autograph should shut it down but not everybody knows exactly what Wayne Gretzky's autograph looks like right, right and I'll tell you what my son did. My Son Jake, my middle my Middle Child Jay Chou's now twenty one. He was a really good basketball player and so is my youngest guy why they both played High School Basketball Jake, a captain actually of his team on giant high school three thousand kids. Super Good player and You could go Michael Jordan had basketball a youth basketball camp in Santa Barbara California, which is north of. La and. Jake sort of brought this up I'd love to go to the Michael Jordan camp rate and on it is Michael shows up every day right and I'm like that. That'd be great son but I just don't have the twenty, two thousand dollars to send you. Okay and he said it's not it's like eight hundred bucks. To go to this camp so and it was real. So both my boys went to this three day camp that a week law three day camp. Jordan into it. I would imagine it'd be like really hard to get into that still like when it doesn't cost that much I would have thought there'd be. A difficult thing going into that thing. Yeah I sort it. I said well absolutely and and off they went. Down there and spent three days at this camp and the it was a riot Jordan showed up every day and sometimes for fifteen minutes sometimes he played basketball with them. Shot baskets you know and. At, the end every kid got a picture taken with Michael, Jordan? He sat down with them all and my kid. got a pair of Air Jordan shoes and got Michael Jordan to sign them. So Jake has this. Cool Pero en worn. White Nike Shoes signed by Michael Jordan. And someone offered him five thousand bucks for them. Attempting. He kept him. He kept them. Don't let don't let don't let his uncle anywhere near them based on your brother's behavior with some of the stuff you've given him. All. Over those I'm not I didn't say that to pitch them but I don't know maybe sell them if you want some Michael, Jordan signed. Like issues. Let me tell. You know welcome to the. From my shed. Why not I'll we'll take time out here on the program speaking of paying bills. It'll take time out on the program back with more after these words have your insurance rates been going up year over year you're not alone that's happening to everyone I'm Josh Molin Turns Ontario. Attacks and see if I can save you a bunch of money eight, six, zero, six, zero, zero we. 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Because the quarterback now, right the. Guy went down there with the shattered. An ankle he's got he's got to be gone for the year. Isn't he st Oh yeah. Dak Prescott Yellow. You know who? Who, who, do I despise don't like. Patrick Reid. Had My number there. Years, ago Hatch I. had him. I'd him written down to your he? He really had my number. For some reason Brooks kept bugs the shit out of me to. For the most successful now he's been hurt I think he's just coming back but what a runny was on right with back to back PGA's. And US Open Right. Doesn't win that much but he just wins majors to US opens in a row to PGA Championships in a row and the funky thing is he has seven PGA tour. Wins. and. More than half of them are majors for major championships. Unbelievable right people and but for some reason. He did an interview. you know about their, you know asking him about the how how do you? Equate your success here. But what's what's going on? How do you? What are you waiting to right? He goes play golf man you know I don't practice much. If you ever GonNa see me swing a club it's. Because tournament not on a range right? I just want this. Food aid. I on to ally let's be honest it's a lie you can't be that good and just play games. That's the mark of guys like me weekend hackers like I don't WanNa if I only got X. amount of time in the course of week if I have time I, want to play around and yes, I have that same attitude I don't WanNa practice I don't WanNa take lessons I wanna go play yeah that. So that's the mark of a hacker. There's no way kept his that good with a practicing and hitting a million balls. Right. So anyway I it just I just. Jumped on the wagon there with everyone else going I. Hate this guy. because. Most guys Steve would. Be Look at half of it, they would say to hard work and the and a big percentage of it if they're humble enough would say you know you need to be lucky man. You really do in the game of golf. And even in some other sports, you know there's a certain amount of luck you know that. BURKS Kaplowitz four majors. In the same in an small window there when he's top of the world and you go to play against him and he shoots eighty or shoot seventy-five when he's supposed to shoot sixty five, you're lucky you're lucky that brooks went back. And you know. So there's a bunch of, but there's none of that with that guy, you know none of that would that guy and I immediately hated him. That really what is going because I'm really good. You know I'm really good right and then that inspires nobody that that really makes a fan of no one people who talk about how good they are or how much money they make that inspires absolutely no one some of the other athletes that I dislike I think about conor McGregor in m a that guy just seems like I know that a lot of it is he's a human version of click. Bait. Just for attention but I think that that just. behaving. Like a punk constantly. And just seeing him in some of the prefight news conferences I dislike that guy a ton and couple of others might include unlike the Washington nationals because well, they are my Montreal Expos have feel like they. They stole something from me. Yankees, I dislike because of their pedigree, they always seem to win and Montreal grown to dislike Montreal because even though I grew up a fan of Montreal the haves. A- grew disenchanted for years and years disliked them because they always seem to win and their fan base. At such swagger, they're always in your face about their championships and we never and then now they annoy me because. They're really not relevant anymore they haven't. They haven't won a cup in what twenty, seven years, and so you know that's That's the annoying thing. There's the fans remain with swagger even though the Club itself is an also ran and they're not close to winning another Stanley Cup anytime soon. So I find that annoying. In that conversation as well and in the NFL to guys who aren't athletes bill. Belichick and Jerry Jones they can just go away anytime. Bill check you don't like bill. No. Disliked the way he behaves when he deals with the media I think the spotlight has faded from that guy's career. You know say ten years from now he's well into retirement. He sees some of his old news conferences I. Think he's GonNa probably regret that and say she's Pretty much an asshole. I don't mind. Bill. Chuck Hockey Wise. Wayne fucking brutal. That guy's gotta go. Any final thoughts today. James, before we go. Stevie. I don't like to go down the gross road very often. Really Yeah I don't like doing it. You don't have to hear. Well you can do it. Yeah. That's okay. It's just so I've been. My girl by the way turns fifty today. Happy. Birthday Happy Birthday Tracy hope to meet you soon. For fifty years old. So, she hasn't been to my house yet and we've been hanging out for three or four months. And so I because she she has a beautiful home. Okay. Look like looks like your house. It looks like a show home when you walk beautifully decorated gourds windows. Cleans. Kitchen. To die for. God. My place not so much TV, okay. Is like as soon as I saw a house. I said there's no way I could ever. Invite her to my house going come on over I want you to see my house. No I'm not a SLOB, my help. My House is nice but. So No, she's got a Komo scheme ship the other day a little bit what am I gonNa come over to your house. Okay so I've been I've been maniacally cleaning my house Steve Okay and. Their usual the floors, all that I repainted it and all that stuff right? So I. Ended the bathroom Steve The other day and I'm doing the floors cleaned the toilet in the sink and all that stuff wiping down the mirrors everything Steve looks good. And I trying to get you know trying to get the little stains off around the toilet bowl stevie okay and and there's always there's always some some leftover stuff steve on the back. Of the toilet seat. K.. Clips flips. The clips you have to pop open to unscrew the toilets yes. Okay. So the lead and toilet seat are one piece they come together as you. So when you pop that off, you've got the raw toilet bowl. Okay. I said. GonNa pop that often in a clean that what's underneath these screws that are holding down the twitter poll? And? That orange golden stuff right ten years eve I've been here and did it the other day. Okay for the first time in ten years who? Not. Taken one for the team happy. Birthday Tracy is there any nicer for birthday gift then cleaning your toilet? That was the most beautiful story in fact, don't buy or anything just tell her that story and you'll save yourself some money. She'll be wildly impressed. You know what you just told by the way you basically told the story of pretty in pink the nineteen eighties movie with Molly Ringwald, and so she didn't WanNa get dropped off at her house jobs got dropped off like a few blocks. Away because she was embarrassed all that that, her lover had lots of money and she didn't she didn't want to didn't want them to see where where they lived. So in this story, Jim Your Molly Ringwald I saw her naked on on TV show I never thought she would give it up realize yeah there's a there's a topless picture molly ringwald in some movie somewhere look it up. Look it up. Did you watch. My octopus teacher. Watch the trailer Oh you gotTa Watch. Back. My didn't have time last night. Okay. Get. We'll get on it. You said I should watch last night with my wife. It doesn't mean I'm going to. Ask. Your toilet seats if you had a choice, what are you doing? If, you give me those choices and. Julie Andrew McCarthy. Let's go. Let's go to his email. Dodd gone in Bolivia. Weekend at Bernie's done done sealy. Now. All right. We should get out of your enjoy your night and we'll talk to you too. Goodnight everybody we'll see.

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The 7 Moats of Defensibility Part 2

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The 7 Moats of Defensibility Part 2

"Welcome to the 10K Collective podcast ice and gentlemen. This is your host Michael V. So today we have the concluding part of a mini two-part series about a business model defensibility a business model is is a fundamental structure that underlies your ability to make profit or indeed things that get in the way of you making profit all in fact destroy your entire business. So something quite big picture of stuff from the business point of view, but really really critical never been more important than under covid-19. You consider subscribing to the e-commerce leader at any podcast app near you. We are Michael VZ in London England and Jason miles in Seattle Washington office more importantly you are the owner of a thriving online business and you want to become the best Ecommerce leader you compete we're here to get you there for show notes with links and resources mentioned today and for other jobs, you see resources like downloads and pre mini-courses just visit our Blog the e-commerce leader.com talking then of having lists of people in general wage suppose includes followers on YouTube might have you how does that fit into your business and your clients businesses? Yeah. I mean, it's a great question. A lot of people ask when I talk about this in the seven modes list. I talked about data being a method of Defense ability. And you know, when you think about what what you're doing is a business owner and you have let's suggest an email list you start with a hundred people. Let's say and you know that wage. Like a achievable goal for anyone just to say okay. I'm going to get to a hundred people on a newsletter list you what you're doing is you're aggregating data that you then have the right to use legally. And when you get a customer's contact information you have opportunity to do subsequent marketing and that's obvious what many Amazon sellers get frustrated with overtime is I can walk, you know contact customers. I could can't communicate there's a firewall there. And so when you don't have that firewall there it you know, when you add that level of Defense wage into your own business system, or you have the data you have a really really powerful, you know opportunity and it's a sword and a shield. It's you know, when I talked a lot about the nine mountains of trash talk about it being the proactive Outreach step the sword, you know, but the shield concept is just as powerful if you say you have a new upstart competitor who comes after you but they've got a list off. Hundred people and you've got a list of a hundred thousand people then you talk to a lot more people about whatever they're doing. And you know, you just you have a layer of Defense ability because you got more information age obviously in the last few years collecting phone numbers has been all the rage so that you can do text based marketing and there's just another layer of data that but in my mind it all goes back to this idea that data is it's a sword and shield but it gives you the opportunity for a defensive, you know approaches to compete with people who are coming after your business and trying to win the day and age and you know convert all your customers into their own and data can be really really powerful tool in that regard and it sounds like what you're saying with data is data plus permission to use this is that right? That's additional of course. Yeah legal legally, you know in in so that means every time just one little example. You have a Shopify site if you log Have it set up in properly. You'll have people checking out Anonymous and no methodology for them joining your newsletter list and opting into your marketing. Well, there's you've just missed the opportunity home. So, you know, literally yesterday. I was helping a client setup his loyalty program. And so now people can accept that can can create an account and join his loyalty program. Well, he's just another layer of data that he has the right to then do create a marketing with those are the examples. Yeah. Excellent. Does make sense and just wanted one tiny point to that is that it is possible. You're quite like the Amazon sellers are frustrated with this all the time and there is a going to firewall just have to come up with imaginative ways to work around that. I mean one thing for example is that you can drive Facebook traffic and then capture that and then send them on to Amazon and then of course you have started not create your own your own. Yes, exactly data in community potentially as well if you go further with it, so it is signed to happen. Most people are a bit slow adopters with this and I would really encourage people to do it. But yeah, you can be done. Yeah. Let me ask you about this next one then the and that's the culture of innovation and the idea that you know, there's a lot of famous quotes about this the idea that you know, Wayne Gretzky think was famous for saying, you know, you don't skate to where the puck is you skate to where the puck is going to be. Yeah and the idea that you know, if you do have competitors who are coming after you by copying your existing product wage. A lot of ways, the only way around that is innovative new products that you they don't know you're doing and then you've got the secret stealth lab of Awesomeness that you reveal to the world and your competition as our crowd. You know, now they've one-upped us again. And if you can do that over and over I think there's power there. What are your thoughts on how that plays out in the Amazon space and in your life elective group of you seen people who have done good job at innovating constantly constantly, maybe not. I mean, it's interesting. I mean first of all just to clarify for British listeners Wayne Gretzky is presumably an ice hockey, right? Yeah. So that's where the because we don't we don't do a lot of skating in this country when we do it at the pucks belong in hockey field, which is a very British tradition. So, okay. Yeah, so so hockey metaphor and which makes a lot of sense. So let's have a bad habit of innovating in the sense of hacking at the algorithm in a sort of very tactical way and thinking they're innovating but that has a very short life expectancy. So I think Thursday Is now dying a death and I'm glad of that cuz it gets very exhausting to discuss it all and figure it all out, but one or two of the things I've mentioned already. I mean, I think licensing is relatively Innovative parameters that has even though it's been around for a long time as a business model as I say one of the members is doing that and doing really looking really set to be very good because it's in a certain type of product category that's been hit by David will happen to see the price on the line. I've mentioned the Facebook group and somebody else is driving Facebook traffic. So advertising traffic to sign up for many chats and then following up with them and whatnot Innovative things. He's doing is giving them a a cheaper product in order to know basically in recompense for a review. So it's against terms of service but it's outside the Amazon ecosystem so they can't see it. So there's a couple of examples that spring to mind so people are doing it. It's not yet very widespread. But as you say it's really important. I like that that that innovation in the marketing techniques of course is dead. I guess we all do that. Yeah, I have any thought of it. That way. I was thinking more product Innovation, but you're right in pointing out that many times. If you if you don't innovate in product or you have a commoditized product and the culture of innovation applied to the marketing techniques is what makes the you know, the leader become the leader over time. I mean the best marketer wins frequently and that's interesting. Yeah, you're right, but I think you put your finger on the thing which I think generally I see less work guarantee because it is a fantastic amount of work. I guess at least that's my perception. I mean, let's see your thoughts on this but my perception is that developing a product even if you got an existing product and you're developing from that is a massive amount of money time and effort. So attacking on a bit of Facebook marketing or something is is relative to that a pretty small amount of effort. That means is that soundtrack. Yeah, I think so, you know the but the thing about it is There's a real dance that we all have to do which is the investment of time and energy into a future project and the frequently the there are examples where a long long process of innovation and work. Goes into a product and it becomes the sensation the the biggest thing ever the the, you know, the award-winning products that no one else can can top off that's the best-case outcome of the long, you know, the slow growth are slow methodical work on a product the opposite obviously happens as well where somebody's child away for three or four or five years on an idea and it never comes to fruition. There is no no good outcome. And those are painful, you know days, but that's the dance. How do we as long as know how how long and how hard to invest into a new Innovative concept or idea before we test it and you know, there's been in the last five years ten years this culture in Internet world of Go Fast and break things, you know, read hoffmann's famous. And if you know, he is he's really genius guy LinkedIn founder and in co-founder of paper. Out is is famous quote as if your first version of your product is an embarrassing you've waited too long to launch it. Now. There's an artist would never believe that's true an artist would argue the other side of the point. And so there's yeah there's there's hard work to do there. And you know, I don't know. I'm sure there's a short easy answer either way off. The ultimate thing is does your product hit the market and can you figure out a way to make it work at volume and if it's true if that's true, if you can sneak velocity of sales, then you rewrite history and whatever you did to get there was the right thing, you know, if you went faster. Yeah thing if you went slow as the right, yeah, so yeah. Yeah, there's Survivor show bias in a lot of these Tales whether it be back some big famous, examples or even just the people that you know, who killer killed on Amazon or shopper fiber. I would just reference a couple of obvious reffing. Points, which is number one The Lean Startup by Eric Ries, which I think you and I both read and found a bit hard work, but I think it's worth revisiting the concepts Behind these things. Ash. Marie has done a slightly more cut down version. I think called running lean which is by no means intellectually easy to read but interesting and the other one is of course Jim Collins in there I think is great by choice where he did massive studies of these huge corporate Giants wage. And so therefore they're not directly applicable to six seven eight figures sellers, but all businesses, but what he did pull out of that is that strategy of fire bullets than fire Cannon born so exactly that question of innovation, he may not putting five years into something that sends up to fail but not innovating at all being another issue. So those I think are very worth reading for anyone who's read them or reading. That would be the main thing. That scares me. I know so our conversations. I know you've mentioned that there, you know, we've brainstormed this list a little bit and you've talked about other economic modes that you know, like economic Financial pricing type ideas that immediately come to your mind in terms of other opportunities to be but you know defensive with your work. What are you thoughts on that be on the list of seven hear things that come to your mind? Yeah, well, I mean some obvious things economic most like having more money sad thing just have to talk about because obviously a lot of us don't have you know, millions and millions to invest in things and some people do not many but I've stumbled across the odd person you have literally tens of thousands of pounds to invest in their expertise. But how do we deal with that? I mean cuz obviously if you're going up against a Walmart or or a Tesco's in the UK and they're selling an item they have so much money we can't compete. So what's what's that all about the economic mode? Well, I mean, I think the interesting package there is I think that's why probably the concept of guerilla marketing was born. Who's the guy J. What's his name? J not Abraham, not jail em and for goodness sakes guerilla marketing. I can't remember the author's name, but it's a famous set of books. And I think that's the reason he invented the idea was guerilla marketing is what you do when you don't have any money like your computer. Didn't against uh, you know, a giant a giant enemy and I you know their strategies there's that you can play out one example that comes to my mind cuz I'm locally here with Microsoft closed by I remember it years ago now Microsoft launched its Encarta c d ROM based encyclopedia. And this is an interesting little story I heard them is on this and I think it was in either the book by William Poundstone Priceless the myths of fair value or it was maybe in free the future of a radical price by by goodness gracious. It's I will look it up and Chris Anderson's Chris Anderson. Yes the wine. Yeah. So so this this example of namesake and in England Encyclopedia, Britannica was the original, you know item or there was being sold. I believe it's six hundred million dollars a year door-to-door sales in the United States something like that back in the olden days the door to door salesman would not wage. Your door and they'd have a suitcase full of Encyclopedia. Britannica books and asked to come in and it was very awkward and and they would basically sell you on the idea of having a set of encyclopedias in your house and for middle-class and upper-class families. They all had Encyclopedia. Britannica sets $600 your business and then Microsoft when it launched in karta, they vaporized that business destroyed and they made it about a hundred million dollar year line of business from Microsoft A CD-ROM driven, you know product now hundred million dollars a year still interesting but they had destroyed Encyclopedia, Britannica door-to-door sales. And then what we all know what happened next were familiar Wikipedia came along Jimmy Wales created Wikipedia. He vaporized it even more and may basically a public good he made Wikipedia sort of just out there and it's now funded by donors and he has good backers and I think Jimmy Wales I heard somewhere is worth like twenty two million dead. So he's not poor know, you know, but but he created this this economic moat around the idea of Encyclopedia content that some people and you know, nobody's going to nobody's going to top that cuz it's free, you know, and so I think there's a lot of interesting concept there in terms of what you can do with economics price points and that sort of thing of your business. Yeah. Yeah. I mean in a way we have to be Scrappy and use that guerilla marketing book what we'll look at Folks by the way, he wrote it and we'll put it in the show notes which will as ever at the e-commerce dealer, head down there where we have various things including books that Jason just launched as well. So do check that out the block. So I've just realized of course we missed out on one of the the the final piece which is the high switching costs, which is quite an interesting topic. I'm not sure that anyone really thinks about that at all. So, so can you give me example of any of your clients or in your own businesses where you you've managed to innovate some? Yep? Switching costs and can you just elaborate on what you mean by that as well? Sure. Yeah. I mean, I think the interesting stories there are related to creating a product concept. That's so holistic wage. I'm Steve Jobs the same as for calling, you know, their idea of a walled-garden. It's so holistic that you get people into your way of working with your product or your system that it's just not it's not relatively easy for them to back out of the deal or and they don't want to I mean in at best case they they're happy inside your Walled Garden. You know, I'm Keurig coffee company is a good example Green Mountain Coffee if your phone no no Michael Green Mountain the household brand in England at this point and coffee don't think it is. I'm not I'm not very good at shopping cuz my wife is like the queen of shopping. So she buys all the house looks like that. So you have a you have a a traditional coffee pot like eight cups, or do you have like a K-Cup system? I don't even know what that is. I think that's more of an American thing. We have account or a French press as you would suck. Or cafeteria, so I would call it. Okay. So let me just grab the story. Sorry may be American Centric story more. So with the tiny little coffee company in Colorado. I believe in a call Green Mountain Coffee and you know coffee is commoditized system absolutely brutal. I launched at 3 Esters Farm coffee brand to help support my charity at one point and realized how hard it was to rank on Amazon coffee and just brutal. So this little companies like what do they do? Well, they have this technology that they had seen or in kind of created if I get the story right at least that was a K-Cups which is plastic cups single serve cups that you insert into a machine and the Machine is sold it to support the K-Cups. Well, they license that and had I I believe 17 a patent on the deal and it became so popular. They've literally become a massive massive company. They now it's dr. Pepper and Keurig Better Together the two branches. And they went from zero to just absolutely dominant position by having this, you know, High switching costs concept baked into their coffee delivery package and and it's a it's an interesting tale. I mean, you know, it's it there's a lot to unpack there I guess is what I could say. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's say very interesting. I mean what what's so interesting about that that may very what's the word in a brutal commoditized product like coffee which is literally a commodity in in the stock market you can buy sell it. So that's a sign this really truly a commodity right that you do not want to be in it. They they basically be Innovation on the delivery system for if you like an extremely American thing that this is driven by sort of convenience and that's that's been a trend in American Consumer products for well over a hundred years, right the creation of years and you know any anything you like. It's it's an American invention though. You guys are famous for that. So that's a really interesting and what's what's so interesting as well. We were talking earlier about the the license sort of Bring It Back. And almost what we were talking about the beginning that licensing we talked about licensing is a form of modes for people to have Amazon Monopoly if you are the licensee, but if your license or off like these guys are then you've not only not only if they created hi switching costs, but they've created a sellable asset which is in the intellectual-property arena which has just Genie as I get off. They don't have to manufacture K-Cups anymore to make money from it. Yeah. They just collect royalty checks. I'm guessing so genius example, I really like it and and my my home example, which I know a lot less about is just simply Gillette which I think Seth Godin mentioned him akimbo. There's a really nice podcast just fantastic. I really like Seth getting like everyone but I think his podcast by the way is some of his best content pack cost. That's why we're doing when I guess but he talks about Gillette and gillette's, you know, got these raises that they they said he would have certain price but then you will stick with the system and I'm personally use them and you know, we spend a fortune off. Those but I like the the feline system. I don't wanna have to change over. So yeah, it's another classic example, which if we can innovate in a way be be part of that. We've got it made really nice. So I think we've covered all of those things in in some detail. Would you mind just summarizing those seven modes again? Cuz we've gone over a lot of water has gone under the bridge since we started this conversation at it, and let's bring it home here in terms of how to actually, you know, kind of go forward if you're listening to this. What does the question is? What do you do with this content? And here's some suggestions. So let me let me summarize the seven modes again and then give just wage final kind of suggestion for how to use this content. The first one is a profitable in demand product second a high-functioning brand a third is a tribe of True Believers loyal followers 4th is channel Mastery or Channel dominance V is data and you know customer information 6th is high switching costs or a sticky. Product concept the 7th is an innovation of culture. Sorry a culture of innovation and you know a system inside your business that makes products and the idea that you're you're not just a one-hit wonder a one-product company. You've got a culture of creating the next thing your customers are going to want. So those are the 7. Let me just suggest that one simple idea which is used this as a checklist. You ask yourself the question do my business products or Systems Support any of these Concepts or can I apply any of these Concepts to my existing business or do I need to Pivot and and redefine how I'm working to create a more defensible long-term, you know business model idea that it's safe that protects me from competition and from becoming irrelevant to my ideal customers. Yeah. Yeah great idea and I like the fact that although this is a strategy podcast is still a wage. Well, you just need to it might take you longer to action it but I think having it as a checklist is an excellent idea. May I just add in another thought there which is once you've gone through the checklist. I mean, I would just pick the lowest hanging fruit and not realize that you're actually got something of a try built that you've been a bit slapdash about how you built it and you've got maybe a lot of people have an email list of several thousand people of of even if they're on Amazon, you can do email a pencil pretty cheaply about nine ten cents per but email address quite a lot of us have got quite big email list that we've neglected and not really nurtured so that could be for example low-hanging fruit. So I would suggest once you've done your audit go me take action on it as well. And then you'll really be getting value. Absolutely. And of course you're listening to this podcast and we would love for you to help us create a defensible system here, which means we need subscribers man wage. We need subscribers and we need reviews and we'd love to have you down loads a few more episodes for your next drive to work or drive home or trip or whatever. We're really really excited about the opportunity to serve. Our little but growing community Through the e-commerce leader. And so that would be my call to action as well is do us a favor subscribe to the show and leave us a review worth. Absolutely. Amen to that and listen great great topic. We've got some other things that deep dive into but for the moment, I think we got plenty for people to chew on so thanks very much for your seven modes. Absolutely. Thanks, man. Wallace e-commerce be the podcast with Michael v c in London England and Just Smiles in Seattle, Washington. We offer you free help on our website including PDFs videos off mini courses on topics, like traffic products and sales channels summer for Amazon most are for any sales channel to get those and to stay up-to-date with our podcasts. Go to ww.w off. The e-commerce leader, Thanks for listening and

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On The Past, Present and Future of Hockey

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On The Past, Present and Future of Hockey

"You're listening to an LA kings podcast for more episodes of this and every other kings program visit L. A. Kings Dot com slash podcast and welcome in to Fox and faust the podcast on this week's episode a little bit of optimism. That hockey could be returning a little bit of optimism that the NHL draft could be moving up and the nineteen nineties and especially the goat and not talking about Wayne Gretzky as we welcome in to another episode of Fox and Faust podcast. Ola High. Make Komo is star Howard. The Spanish lessons going. That's way too. I'm doing great. We've wear any Any new verbs that we've learned and keep it clean. No the verbs are. I've actually taken a back step. I think it's going to benefit in the long run. I think I have to really just go back and review the ones that I've already been learning and then I'm just doing some book learning myself by who what when where. Why how get through those? I try to go through that type of stuff. I think the the APP amusing. I don't mind saying dueling go is very very helpful. It is very basic so far gets into layers and layers and layers. So I assume I could be going for six months on this but You know it goes through travel or go. Shopping goes through restaurants and stuff like that. But I gotta go back to basic so I am picking things up with my ear more. You know the fat in trying to listen to some Spanish. Tv stations in how? Everything is run so seamlessly just so. It's a beautiful. Just beautiful a but because it runs seamlessly it's difficult to get separation words and then it's difficult for me to break down the sentences. I hear it live so making some strides but I think two steps back might help me move one step forward. Okay gotTA gotTa keep the fun? We got to keep the funding before we can move on to the other stuff. I will say last year at the L. A. Area Emmy awards caveat caveat. Ea Just obliterated the competition they want. I don't know how many Emmys They were they. Were really on top of it. So it's actually Kinda Fun to watch Spanish language TV here in L. A. I gotta say for the first time in weeks. I am optimistic with no guarantees of a completion to the NHL Season of the playoffs. Whatever the format might be but I feel more and more optimistic that the La Kings will be involved in a completion to this season. An even if that is still months away even if we wind up being disappointed and have to start from scratch again. Even if we're waiting till next year we can hope and that is better than nothing all and Jim. I want to get your your take on kind of what we've seen evolve over the last couple of weeks before that. I want to thank the prominent news breaking reporters Chris. Johnston Elliott Freeman Pierre. Lebron Darren Drake or Bob Mackenzie Greg Gerski Emily. Kaplan I like the whole compendium without that daily drip of reports. How would we feel today even if an announcement from the NHL were imminent about their plan to restart without the hoping without the kind of surrounding Build up how would how would we have felt over the last couple of weeks without that to keep us thinking and hopeful very simple very simple answer. That goes back to most of my away. Apply Things Life. Go back to my training. Of course I've talked about struggles with anxiety and thinking ahead in uncertainty certainly feeds that. But I go back to the ever presence rule number one only control control so. I don't worry about that stuff. If it comes back soon it comes back soon. I certainly worry about people's jobs including my. Oh I wanted to get back going but I am not going to bring myself down based on an uncertainty something. I can't control all sounds very very good in theory. When you apply it to real life it becomes more difficult but for something like that. I think If we go back on our podcasts I been pretty optimistic from the get-go playing some games. I thought initially they would go right to play offs now like you. There was a poll just came out today with players involved anonymously and you know they were. They were talking about some regular season Games into a playoff situation. So I think it they would treat that much like a preseason going into a regular season because I'm not sure how many games they're talking about. It's not the whole schedule so I'm not sure how much playoff spots will change in that scenario but Yeah it looks like they want a few practice game so to speak which would be regular season games before they go into a playoff scenario. It might go deeper into the summer than I expected before. We get started deeper. No maybe in August start something. I mean it might go deeper but I think and the predominant factor in the poll. That just came out today. It was an athletic poll. Was that the players wanna plant. They want to play vast majority. There was a question to be asking you. Just Cam this season right now. And that was by far the lowest response rates for from the players. They wanna play. I'm glad to hear that. Yeah and you know what was interesting to just reading again in the athletic We're taping this on Tuesday and came out and it really seems like you know you can understand too. If a team is closer to the play offs there's more of a a willingness to play and want complete the regular season but I think what's interesting too is understanding The economic variables. And I think there is a a general understanding throughout the NHL of of why there is a push and why even the NHL. We'll talk about this in a moment. But why the the League is trying to move the draft. Why they're pushing for a completion of some kind. It's it all has to do with the economics and the overall health of the game why there's a push for a long-term labor deal in all this the to the extent of the NHL can stay relevant in any way. The League is about to undertake the largest television negotiation for American TV rights in its history in the next couple of years and to the extent that they can stay on television and stay relevant even in local markets. It is huge for the league. And I'm not talking about a dollar today. I'm talking about a dollar two years from our three years from now when hopefully we are through all of this stuff. So here's the question then. If march was the month that wouldn't end April was the month that just flew by seemingly that presents a bit of a problem and I wonder if optimism is to continue. Do we need these ideas to become reality sooner rather than later? Are we up against the clock here to get this done to get this season done and start that process in the next couple weeks? Even I think I just listening to and I know you didn't you were not you. Were not going this way but if we never get back to fans in the stands would that not increase. Tv ratings. Potentially you can't go watch live. You'RE GONNA TURN INTO TV. So maybe they don't want to the go that thing will go through the NHL has relied on live date more than most sports so both will be very important just another thing just To touch on something you said times when we hear what is planned to go forward especially from the economic standpoint as you were bringing up to rethink. Its the older owners only. I think we've both talked about Alex. Right right the players want to and then in that poll they want they want the economic. Yes they make by far on average way more money than the average person the same time at the same time their career averages at five years so any year. That's out is known. You might not get it back. The kids are growing kid. Eighteen year olds are going to be nineteen. They're going to be taken the job so just it's just interesting and that's why it's it gets very very I. I think I'm back to what we were talking about earlier. Maybe it's just my own mindset. I am trying to take this step by step. I'm trying not to go into every different scenario. I will take a look at things will get into it. Mid I think the draft why they want June I I'm not I haven't seen the the data behind that I haven't seen the proof. I'm sure I I'm sure they're doing that. I'm sure they're formulating the great ideas and reasons why they want it done that way. But I'm not really get. I'm not really losing sleep over it. I do believe they're coming back and I think that's that's what I want right now and I think from our standpoint. Yeah it doesn't really matter in what form I think. We'll leave that to to those who have far more far more of a stake in the the ultimate outcome and even today we're at the beginning of May we are still at least a month and a half away from theoretically having games players must return conditioning must begin training camps Matz commence and this all assumes that the League has full proof plan to remain in relation and complete these games and have a television audience. So it it's there are so many moving parts and I am glad you brought up the idea of you know how. Tv numbers might be impacted because both of us have been watching over the last couple of weeks. The last dance and it's garnered more viewership Or higher viewership. I should say than any other. Sports Documentary That ESPN has ever put out and it's fascinating to watch this ten part. It's you know brilliantly done I don't think enough praise can be heaped on how they've they've put this documentary together. The nineteen ninety Chicago Bulls First of all Jim yet like how? Are you enjoying the documentary? And then I've got a question for you. I am a one hundred and seventy three percent agreement with you on way of input together. I know they put up the start date correct because of what we're going through now so I can't imagine the sixteen eighteen twenty hour days that some of the others have been putting in to to make sure speed it up I think I have a different perspective on it than most because to a certain extent I lived it rush similarly where the Kings Gretzky at least in our sport so I was playing against playing with doing community relations with broadcasting when the iconic figure of our game was around so I can see a lot of parallels on what was going on the last dance players. Leaving teams are being traded from teams. When do when do you start the revolt? That's the one thing that is. Alex has come to my mind. It's it's known him. If you do Jerry Krause you break it up when they're still winning you've done it too fast. If you're Dean Lombardi and you wait too long. You're wrong there's no one here. There's no win it. It's Kinda like I think. The edge goes to the Bulls in. If you're still winning why break it up? I mean if you're still winning the whole shooting match. I'm talking to winning championships. So that's what you know everyone. The common common saying is it's better to rebuild too early than is too late. You don't want to get caught but just very interesting to me. How the the the relationship? Obviously in the Bulls was not great between the Front Office and the players at the time. But I think there's a lot of us say a lot. I think there are some twenty twenty hindsight going on right now. You know it's interesting you bring up Gretzky. What what were some of the Apparently in terms of did he have his own security around him did he. You know what was the media frenzy like Jordan? Every time he's there he's mob it like what what were some of the things that you notice that were maybe similar and some that were different with how Gretzky was in. La was who's a spectacle everyday not not the same volume but there was a scene in the last step that reminded me almost exactly. And that's pulling up late to a hotel and having autograph seekers. They're talking to three in the morning regrets with do that. He would know it wouldn't be for the rest of us will only be for much like for Jordan That that scene just really ought to Mile K now been through that I think some of the pre and post game media. Scrums were much higher volume with Jordan. But if you broke down into percentages of how hockey is covered I then. Gretzky's percentage would be the same like his hockey getting get as much volume as basketball but Wayne to a big Pie. He took a big share of the Pie A lot of things going on like that. I cannot share story. It's turn when they were talking about Michael Jordan. And some of the things you do for the charitable aspects duty aspects. Know who needs an autograph by my uncle's brother's Dog France? And you do something for the I remember we were. We were just. We were planned on a press conference for tipping to promote the Dayton beneficiary of tipping and also joined the team and believe me that that that would show his impact more related if you go back then and take a look at the money generated. Dan even compared to now. I'm talking to twenty years ago. But Wayne's participation just through the number through the roof but I was in communications at the time and the plan was to have waned go to the to a hospital children's Hospital Los Angeles and be the main speaker for the press conference. Well it was my responsibility to get him there. I was in community relations. Practice a culver city and it was supposed to drive. Make sure he gets are anyway forever. Happened practices over. And I can't find you keep in mind before. Cellphones can't just pick up a phone call. I can't I'm going on relatively new the commute relations so my thoughts are less on a press conference in more. My job is not being well done. I'M GONNA screw up big big task here because we're not gonNA get Wayne there so it got to the point. I think the press conference was starting to now. It's like one fifty. I've gotta get. I've gotTA leave call receiving Goethe Hospital. I just have. I don't have Wayne. Where the heck is harming. I'm just pulling my hair out and drive up to the hospital. Go Up to the floor Each standing there chatting with all the doctors and nurses in wage Elia Press conference starts. Boom he just goes and he is so good so just the awareness that those players how I remember Wayne going through autograph lines in the morning you would sign something for someone after the game. The same person would be there waiting to Choose morning Over the next one you had to pick and choose to many right. When he made it to that hospital you could bigger sigh of relief in life. But he just have that sense. They know their import. They know that other people are relying on them. Think it's something that they understand. That's on and off the court and one one thing that stood out to from the last dance was how exhausting it was for Michael Jordan to have to have to be on the Times. Did you notice that with Wayne that there was a similar exasperation? I mean it may have been you know in in in private in short moments here there and you know what there is a vulnerability when when you're in that kind of situation for as long as Wayne was and especially jumping into the LA market Did you notice at times that while he would never show it publicly much like Mj? That Wayne was similarly exhausted by that. I think one way and I came here. It was the opposite remember again at Culver City the practice facility where he after practice he was just out on the street walk. You know just waiting for someone to either drive whole meth or waiting for a and no one was around. So I'm going. This is different for him but that changed a change in La. That was early on a news. Move here I think you notice it reverse when you get a chance to be with him. One on one contact away from everyone else or team context where there's only five or six players around. Then you notice how he is much more. The guards guard is down. You get to see a player like Wayne or Michael Jordan. You know when the guard is up in the guard is down and you get to see both of those you understand that yes there toll. There is a strain. It is a responsibility are compensated for that more so when they go into the endorsements compensated even more reason to accessible the excess ability to be there but the get behind closed doors of a beer or two and then you know you see the true true the unguarded personality come up. I'd be very curious to know what Sidney crosby feels like on a regular basis with this because when we go to Pittsburgh every time it is a media frenzy around Sidney crosby but at the same time he makes himself available to every single person who walks into the room. This is the guy who is right now the undisputed probably big star player in the NHL. Alex Ovechkin and he will leave time. They'll just sit in his locker room stall and just say is everybody have what they need. All right we're good I. I would be curious to know kind of his thought process on on handling any twenty twenty-first-century since because there wasn't nearly as much in social media demands and things of that nature would teams where they want you to do a quick photo shoot here. I'm sure they're endorsement deals. We saw the the Michael Jordan footage from the nineties and Wayne had his commercials of locally and nationally but I'd be curious in the twenty first century Sense how that is changed for a star Athlete light signatures like Sydney Cross with Sydney Alex. She stays away from the other elements that you're talking bank. He stays away. He is asked to do given responsibilities. You're like you were talking about. The teen has social media responsibilities. So I'm sure he's asked to provide content for that even if it's just a sound clip or bite or something or you know having cameras. Show up where he's giving no clinic for kids or something like that Those cameras would have been there for back in the nineties but Dan ability to communicate that to the rest of the world is completely different. Now as you mentioned with social media I I think I think Sydney is a pretty. He's he is a very conservative in those areas. He doesn't really put himself on. I think sometimes he's criticized for that Wayne was like that too. You know where he wouldn't really go on the Lam with I think. I think your point is will take a lot of the athletes. Nowadays they do go l'amour because it's it's just part of their culture now. They grew up with social media. They enter it now. It's it's the lower it is different and I think Sydney for one is still I would put him. He hasn't bloom yet into the social heats. He's a late bloomer. He may never ever go there he. He approaches that way. Here's a question and this is the first thing that came to mind when watching the documentary and I'm GonNa give my take on this first because I I think I love to hear how yours contrast with regard to the last dance. Is there an era of kings hockey? That you'd love to see a last dance style. Documentary made about and my take on. It is this. I don't know of any era necessarily in kings hockey. Where you've had a situation. Where team was together for that long period of time and had an opportunity to reclaim a greatness of some kind either with a conference championship or division title or getting the Stanley final. And realistically where I think. A documentary or some sort of story like that would make the most sense and actually quite compelling. Is this group that remains with Copa Tar and Dowdy quick and Brown Carter. This old guard that won two Stanley Cup. Titles if they can make another run in the next couple of years and I fully believe we'll get into this it. I fully believe that this stoppages accelerated the kings time line in rebuilding but if that group collectively can make another run that to me would be worthy of this sort of storytelling to see how a group that had been through. The wars fallen down hard times found a way to get back to the heights of the sport. I'd be fascinated to see a behind the scenes Story like the one we're seeing from the nineteen ninety Chicago Bulls. I think you could. It's not you're right. It's not exactly the same because a I don't want it can ever be exactly the same unless you win. Six for six finals joined did stir in the files and then being split up. When you're still winning the whole thing but a Tim Leiweke with kings and the Lombardi was the GM. I'm sure there would be some very interesting. What it's for one on there if you had has just and in different ways I have a tremendous amount respect for both of those guys different completely. Different contexts But I think it would prove to be very very interesting. I don't think kings team won two. There was a player that stood out like Jordan did or even like a Gretzky Like it was more of a group of guys as opposed to one iconic mill figure again. When Gretzky left the kings it would was not having won a championship. But there was some animosity you know it seemed to me going on at the time led to a trade which direction this team going so you could have had that but again you don't have the championships around the nurtures one other one and it's only it's my dealings mostly with Bob a Jack Kent. Cooke era now that would have had the Lakers involvement to not only the kings but you know Marcel. The oncoming was a huge factor way. It happened but just you know the the building of the forum than Dr Bus takes over all that era. There that you know the kings would have been involved but more so as a younger brother to the Laker so to speak. There's always been a connected history between the two franchises. It is I mean I I don't want you know. Say Too much about it because it separate ownership structures but it is nice to see when the kings and Lakers Come together with their co branded nights or you know ways that they can both be in the communities together and I. I look forward to the opportunity when the kings and Lakers can do those things in Tan. Because there's so much intertwined history between the two franchises It's it's a fascinating documentary last. Anson if you haven't had a chance to watch it sit down it's very binge -able it's super compelling it's highly worth and and. I hope it gets some sort of recognition Down the line much like the OJ. Made in. America documentary was able to weave in the history of L. A. and race relations and politics and stuff away from the field Like the documentary is able to to capture a lot of different angles of the the Michael Jordan Bulls in the nineties. What Alex I'll say this again. I felt they lived it to a certain extent. Moore's an observer but one wildcard is Dennis. Rodman that's true. I don't think I think there's a thirty for thirty on him separately and I don't think I went through anything with the Gretzky era or the that had a rodman involved. That's that's where it Kinda gets a little bit. You're telling me nobody on. The team took a little ninety six hour trip to Las Vegas just and were allowed to come back. Nope no problem. I think they should've listened to Michael Ratio. It was not a forty eight hour trip again. It's it's highly highly recommended that you guys Listening a dive in and watch this all right. Let's get back to some hockey topics here. The two big items. That seem to be kind of floated around not only would the resumption of play. But the future of this sport Is how to deal with the NHL draft and then when regular operations resume. Let's say this season is either scrapped or completed regardless. How does it impact the salary cap? And how does it impact? How teams manage their roster's going forward. I'll talk about the draft. I because this seems to be the big topic kicked around in In front offices right now is the pros and cons to having an early draft. And obviously there's a lot that has to take place in the next month or so this is still a goal the NHL. We take this on. May Fifth are still. They're targeting exactly one month from now but in early draft. I mean not only sorting through all the conditional picks but also the fact that this is going to have to be done like the NFL. I'm curious Jim your take on an early draft and and all the things that we've read over the last couple of weeks and on whether we think this is Not only a good idea but palatable I am. I'm struggling not I'd like this. Obviously who wouldn't I love to sit down with Gary Bettman and build alien? I'd like to understand why they WANNA do it now. Why THEY WANNA do early? One compared the answer I know I know they do but balancing that with waiting for the season playoffs to play out in having it post I let me. Here's maybe I can go further. So here's what I've kind of connected it to is the idea that if we are to complete this season that the draft would-be the jump. Start to that effort so if it is in the cards that we're going to complete this season that the draft would be the first step in building attention back towards the NHL. I think it would happen regardless with NHL NBA. Whichever sport is coming back into action. I think you would get that anyway but I I believe that the draft is a good way to bring attention back as much like the League has been doing with these zoom calls with guys from a certain area like the headey Boston oriented caller. They have a goalie oriented car. They have a head coach or GM oriented zoom call with media. The kings have been doing that with. And you did one the other day with assistant coaches. I think the League believes that if you can do that with teens especially who pick higher in the draft top five pick that okay you can have zoom call with a new prospect and even on down the line with teams that pick two three guys that they want to showcase in front of their fans. Let's do the zoom calls. Let's get excited. Let's fill out our depth chart organizational if you will that's at least my take of. Why would be connected Is there a business reason to do it that early? Maybe I mean the rightsholders WanNa have some content but otherwise I think it's just a pure play for Trying to garner a little bit of momentum in terms of attention to the NHL. And that was my. That's what I thought. That's what I thought. Their thinking was and I have no problem with that. I don't argue that would I'd like to see and I'm not sure if they would be at liberty to release this but the thing I think would be. The closest parallel would be lockout restarting the season. Not The air that we have the full lockout and then went to the next year. The the long lockout restarting the season is there any historical data out there. That proves that something. They did to reignite attention. Is there something that you can put in front of me? That says okay. This affected our sport in this positive way in. That's why we have to do this. This this ignition point like you're talking about to restart and and that's I'm sure you know one thing I've heard over the years and I know he can be a lightning rod to certain people but I've heard this from people on every single side. Is that if you're in a room with Gary Bettman. You think you're the smartest person in the room. You're not Gary has extensive staff that he goes but he does like a lot of executives at that level unsure. He does his homer. I know he does but I'm not sure if he's at liberty to release that to us whether it's so that's why. I'm confident the dark. A little bit right here and that's why I lean to just starting up again will be enough. We have enough things on our minds as a society right now that we don't need that and when we do come back and all the other logistical things about you know. Make sure that the teeth no no. That's the worst case scenario the team that say we do play preseason games. Excuse me regular season Games before restoring the playoffs and there is a shift change and then as they said the team that wins the Stanley Cup. Also gets the first overall pick somehow. Because you'd have a non playoff team if it shifts that much. I think it's mathematically possible. I don't think it would be such a huge long shot. But so that's why I'm just thinking you know comeback. I think that's going to be with what's going on in our lives now. That's that's just going to be enough no the NFL draft. But they're not starting up again until a whole I. It could be a whole new segment of our lives. Where we're maybe we have some drugs. That aren't vaccines but they help. And containing or help in treating just our whole outlook. Their stadiums are mostly outdoor. Will that be in effect compared to live crowds and how many people will be allowed in Alex of? I think we're both assuming that if hockey does come back it will be to empty stadiums. Here's where I I think I have to put a little nuance in here. I'm not of the opinion that it's a zero sum game that focusing any sort of attention at least in our industry in you know the draft or something along those lines takes away from any other effort whether it be quarantining or Taking the necessary precautions to social distance. I don't see necessarily as zero sum game in fact I see that as a potentially helpful effort to provide some sort of entertainment Provide some sort of value to your business partners You know ads. Sales would be part of that Making sure that from these networks. They can recoup some of the promises that they made to cable operators so that they're not starting dispute saying well. You don't have live programming or programming related to this Property that you've acquired I think to the extent that we can provide even a small shred of normalcy. It's helpful And I look at it just what we were talking about with. Espn moving up production of the last dance. This was supposed to be something released in the summer. And they had you know no reason other than you know demand for some sort of new programming to move it up And they brought him the rights. I don't know if you watch this last night. Jim Korean Baseball Korean. Baseball's opening day without fans in the stands. And this'll be a fascinating topic for another day and to see how they handle it but they're acquiring something that nobody would ever really considered watching before. I stayed up to watch part of it last night. I wanted to see how they were doing it. I was entertained by live baseball Those who watch sports are I think in a different category than those who don't in terms of the entertainment product for someone sitting at home and watching net flix Or or whatever service you you choose your still craving entertainment. Even if you're reading a book you're still creating entertainment in some way. And the production of that doesn't necessarily take away from the life saving efforts of Quarantining social distancing and all all the work that our healthcare professionals are putting together on a daily basis. And that's where the balancing act you talked about comes in. We're not going to resume any kind of professional sports in North America unless we are completely sure every league is considering this unless we are completely sure that it is not impacting local healthcare efforts. And that's why the NHL has been so cautious in not wanting to announce too much that. Oh we're going in this direction. We're going in that direction because quite frankly like you said things change on a rapid basis but I do think that the draft is part of the idea that we can draw attention away from What we're going through on a daily basis and make it a positive in some ways like my first question I asked is this. Is there a need to make that change? Do we need to change the date of now caps? Okay there's no need okay. So now that we have that then why change and then go back to what you were just talking about. Which I'm sure that it might not be historical data in might be it might be projected estimates of and if if NBC or NBS C. S. or Fox sports if they are going to Mr Batman and his people and the Players Association also who who have big parts in this if they are going and saying this is what we anticipate this is will drive ad sales. This will get us back running. This is the kickstart we need a mall for. I'm all for now but I'm not going to. I just need that. I'm sure it's there and I'm sure if I did my homework. And Digging Americans say sometimes. They probably shouldn't release that information to us. It should be stated in the industry but I could see going the other way without much of an issue but if the kickstarter is needed them many Again I would be fine. I just want to see a little bit more. Proof. That's very. That's that's fair at now. One thing that I think would be interesting based on all the drip drip reports. That have come out is The the format to this proposed early draft going back to the old way that the draft lottery was done where you pick one winner instead of three and we've talked about this kind of offhand that The kings remember ended the season as we knew it on a seven game win streak which them down to fourth in the you know the draft odds behind Detroit and Ottawa's two picks but of the old format were to be used where you pick one winner and you can't fault. I forget exactly how far you could potentially fall. I think it would only be like one spot or you can only move up a certain amount. I think it was only four spots that you could potentially move up to The kings would still be eligible for the number one overall pick And would still be in a pretty good position to get it. I know there's a segment of of the fan base in L. A. That was worried about. Are we playing ourselves out of a good draft pick here but if if the early indications are true that you know the the League is looking at this sort of thing I actually think it would be a net positive for us here in l. a? And we'd have a shot at. I think any any changes that would be made would benefit any you know but we have to and Even to take it back to where we're just talking about about the draft and it's been thrown out there. I'm in complete agreement with this. Nothing's going to be perfect. Nothing nothing ever is perfect. But there's always you know. This is a different circumstance. This is new. This is groundbreaking. This earth shattering and so the plans and designs and you know that people are going to implement the best of the situation which is a very difficult one on the last but let's be accepting more accepting what's going to happen in the future compared to if nothing had ever happened with this virus and we were operating normally while it's not not why. Abbott normal plans need to be made like getting the Kings. The hideout drop possible exactly. I think they should just award the Stanley Cup based on The largest active win streak Before the pause I think that's the most logical option. Really you know no question. We could get back to another paraded so you can have afraid wait for crowds well. It's true. Speak speaking of that Fox sports west last week was airing the twenty twelve Stanley Cup. Final and then the prayed. I had never seen the parade broadcast in full. There are some clips floating around on Youtube but Thank me back. I know you were involved with taping some of the opens and some of the segments for for the programming last week on Fox sports west Take me back to your memories of that first parade which was centered in downtown. La and And what it was like to see the city in that way because there have been plenty of Lakers parades and it's been awhile since the dodgers one but what was that like to be a part of first of all from the broadcasting standpoint. No you you think you're going to work. It is not work. It's the it's might be the you know I've said it many times. My next day at work will be my first day at work because you know we. We do get some benefits in Persian Persian. It's it's different every day. This one was just it? Wasn't even it was nothing like work even though you had to prepare and you had to kind of go on. You're you're on camera for a certain amount of time and you're thinking about different ways and there's different segments and we're going from different venues back forth all around. You had to fill four hours of time but it it was not work at all and it just back to I ever. It's just the parade to me was the complete opposite to enjoy. There was no worry anymore. Have to battle. You didn't have to beat the other you'd already worn. Maybe for the first time in my life I I wasn't a player of course when the Kings just one recently at the end of previous seasons when I played the last game of the season it'd be over the next day I'd be thinking about the first day of the next season mind works. Criminal stopped anticipation with a parade. Did Not matter. I didn't think ahead to the next game the next season I didn't care. It was time to finally just celebrate. That's that's just what comes back to me. Unfortunately you had plenty of time because they had the lockout before the Kings GonNa raise their Stanley Cup banner in January the following year. But that's just involved another opportunity for Mike Bowl who is bringing the Stanley Cup around to make her stop in Redondo beach and have another visit with a big silver chalice. I would love that Spit you know what I want to get to this topic quickly and then And we can get to some listener questions after that but You know what I want to look ahead a little bit to next season it starts and this pause and it was asked recently was listening to a podcast with Jake Muhsin and he was being asked this pause help. The Toronto Maple leafs because they had such a Tumultuous Season Coaching Change. And you know just ups and downs. They had the emergency backup game. And all that you know a pause to help reset things and it got me thinking whether this pause and whether the subsequent reality that we're GonNa live in with you know maybe a lower salary cap or something else will help the Kings. I know we ended the season as we knew it on a seven game win streak but I am looking even further into the future than that to say. I wonder that the kings might be in a better position than most as we emerge from this with a tighter economic position. The kings next year have committed just sixty million dollars against the cap and some of that money isn't even real money and Jeff. Carter's deal I think is so backloaded that it's you know minimal cash so You know a small relative amount to the rest of the League restricted free agents. Going INTO NEXT SEASON. You've got three. Austin Wagner Nikolai Hawkins Sean Walker and you as Trevor Lewis Ben. Hutton Yokum Ryan. That's it no major pay days expected. Maybe Sean Walker but I could see that being. Moore's moved to lock them up long term. I think this accelerates the kings timeline to being a contending team because when they are ready to spend on a free agent or on player that they've developed or may be drafted first overall. I think that they'll be in much better position economically to handle that than another team. That might be up against the CAP. What's your take on whether this Hanno were you know? Nobody wants to benefit from this sort of situation but whether the kings might be in a better position to rebound quickly. I'm just GonNa go on the best thing of the sport because of the unusual nature of what's going on right now. We cannot punish teams. That are in trouble recant. They were vying for a cup now. Their plans were set for now and this is so unusual that they have to find a way to grandfather's not the right word but they can't just go to. These rules will have to be amended the salary caps structure. You can't punish teams that you just can't and I know the Kings are not not situation right now so it does go away from from helping the Kings right now in all fairness you just can't take that away from the teams that have built for two or three years and put it on the line made those trade at the trade deadline right the trades if they know. Were mortgaging the future for something. That's going to happen now. Those will be handled but but I do. I do agree with you. I understand where you're going. Your logic is dead on in how the Kings are. GonNa be less hurt by this out if I can put it that way as opposed to help exactly the help. There'll be less but I when I hear that I just WanNa cautioned myself in my own head going. If it's GONNA take time it's GonNa take time take time don't Russia. New Sects of circumstances might a speed up the timeline as you were saying but It's it's something where from where the P. A. in the NHL has to get together at a really think this year. Now finish the year next year two years Like a five year issue of how this one segment. Let's hope it's the last stoppage we have because of this reason. We can't again the first thing that comes to mind to me as you can't punish the teams that were just on the verge Unfortunate I think. A perfect example was that as Toronto with their their CAP issues. And the you know Washington's another team where they loaded up expecting to be a contender to win today and win even in the next couple of years there window is there You know the even with flat salary cap you know. They're expecting some sort of lifts right But if if things are going to change now you can't wait for the Stanley Cup this year. If whatever reason they had to cancel everything. Don't you have to cancel those trays that were made for any cancel may be fascinating to readjust something? Something's got that's that's why that's just another reason why you work as hard as possible being as safe as possible to award a Stanley Cup issue right. Yeah just untangle that would be an undertaking Unto itself all right. Let's get to some listener questions here. solicited a whole bunch Actually this this morning so we'll get to some of them this week. We'll get the some of next week. here's one that came up from Mike who asks do you think when it comes to overtime the NHL will ever consider making a power play three against two instead of four three. That's one of the quirks of the new three on three overtime rule ask added player than subtract one. What's what's your take on this. I don't think they're going to go to just. It's yes it's more. Open more open ice. How close do you want to just get to the shootout again? Exactly you going back to so I think for whatever reason no way way back even during regular season games when you could get down to three on three you would never drop below three even regular casualty. So they've determined not to be the minimum amount. I wouldn't fight that. I love the thinking. I I love the question being posed because it does make you think what would happen if but but I I'm I'm okay with adding the player as opposed to going out with you. I think some hockey purists were already a little bit You know irked when when the League adopted this three on three scenario and it looks less and less like the game that everybody plays but we understand why they do it I will say watching the the four on four twenty minute overtime from the Olympic final in two thousand ten. That was a fun way to do it and I wonder if that's a potential option going forward in playoff games in this. You know Environment where you need to wrap up games quickly. I don't know how and then strategy gets to win four on four overtime hit the NHL four on four. It was phenomenal especially interconference games. Where you're playing against the Who Care to you just went for then. Coaches started thinking all that points just as important another then it was that dentist down the three on three and number three on three. And it's still great but then strategy becomes involved with kind of gets a little bit lower scoring type stuff. So yeah those darn coaches everything Carlin bathed the asks. What restaurant do you miss the most from the road and why you go first this Mr Puncture restaurant you're You know one of the places. I take us in In Boston is Atlantic fish and I know you enjoy that restaurants where Went on my first date with my now wife I I enjoy the place that we go to in Chicago. Il Poor Cellino. Those is my two favorite restaurants on the road. Right now I would go favorite spot. Is Charlie Ethos in St Louis Yes whether it's it's very family. It's not it's just a family restaurant that's and then I'm GonNa go to the minetta tavern in Richfield. I think that would be very interesting. I just always burger joint. But it's early eight dollar Burger joint but it's a great expensive Burger you've ever had in when I say that. Just feel sad because it's always so crowded in their interest at the energy has a lot to do with those. Yeah that's the one thing that is going to be different for a little while until things get back to some sense of normalcy. As part of the reason why I think we we enjoy the restaurants that we do is for the atmosphere. You know. Food has to be a big key as well but I think the atmosphere and some of these places is unmistakable and might be unrecognizable at least over the medium-term who is that is unfortunate who is at Carlin bath. Carb eighth basically is that I've heard of her think she works in TV somewhere Let's see what else do we have here? that we had a similar question on when the social isolation restrictions are lifted whereas the first place. You'RE GONNA go. I think some of those restaurants especially in La you know just to support places that we've that we both enjoy we've covered Some of the restaurants were were missing. Think before here on the podcast. Here's one from Let's see from Rando If the NHL were to resume without fans in the arena. How much would that affect the players and the game play? I know there was an interesting article on. Tsn Jim about how it would impact. The broadcast like we would get all the chirping and maybe the non pg rated chirping that goes on on the ice and how that would impact what you might hear at home. But I have you played in an environment where they're not since junior right. Where where there were that few fans in attendance and you kind of have to some energy to to play. It's it is different. I think players would adapt very quickly. I think it would be I as Rando ends his question. The game play. I think that will be will not be affected that much and once the adjustment is made I will say at all obviously the over all game presentation and environment and motion which which is part of what random was talking about how that gets down to the ice level. Maybe let's just think maybe less chirping after whistles maybe less of that because the motions might be no brought down a little bit with the fans when you hear the fans. You get riled up. Who May lose composure? More so because of the energy building but I think adjustments will be made and once you get down to it now that they know what it's going to be more than once if they ever do get into a playoff scenario I think the intensity will be self generated agree i. It may be a little bit different again. I'm watching the Korean baseball just to see okay. How do the Athletes Respond without folks in the stands? And it doesn't appear to be any different. I would expect the same for hockey. I got one more hockey related. I'm sorry it won't be as good. It won't enjoyable. But like I say. Rondo ended his with and the game play. The game. Play will get back to somewhat of a normalcy. I will say that there have been plenty of Stanley Cups awarded and quiet. Arenas that being when you're on the road in the road team wins it but Nothing quite like What we would Potentially see this summer. I have one last question for you. Non Hockey related and I think a lot of people actually WANNA know How has the pandemic affected wine production and And I know there are many kings fans who are fans of your wine the Patty Nee has an impact I know agriculture's been one area. That has you know I guess. Been somewhat affected. At the periphery. And we're starting to see a little bit greater impacted grocery stores but what about for wine production. I think again right now. It's very cyclical very more so than most because Mother Nature Determines our cycle we harvest in fall. And that's when usually starts selling your previous vintages so that's dictated by Next journals force creates a fiscal year. That is usually so for instance without today we released our two thousand seventeen back in October of nineteen we sell eighty five percent eighty five percent of our revenue generated in that one month so we really and most of the industry is liked bath so where it fell within our fiscal year for this year. Not as much of an impact right now having said that tasting rooms closed restaurants and your sales to restaurants closed retail have have been determined to stay open. But you know the traffic is not the same going into a wine store wine shop so right now. The two thousand Nineteen Two thousand twenty fiscal year not affected but restaurants will not reorder again in the fall. Because they'll have inventory. Wine can age. So it's not perishable to a certain extent so the need for restaurants and retailers to reorder twenty. Twenty coming up is going to be less and for a lot of wine companies and brands and labels. That's a huge huge impact. I don't think the jobs of the agricultural workers will be affected that much until there is an effect in the demand but I think the supply will keep going the only thing you might say again. I'm just his lower prices right. You're going to have more wine sitting around so initially. Not An issue actually Reading an article from the NAPA newspaper consumption of wine is up forty three percent all right that news consumption. That doesn't mean mean new sales range you might be dipping into your seller more so than you normally would. How and a no getting through. The current fiscal year will be okay for Pattani right. Now we'd be doing wind dinners restaurants to introduce our wine to lukasz tumor someone who hasn't had a chance to taste pat before that's gone so hit not so much now but I think we all have to prepare that every industry is going to be affected. You know one thing that I we can both agree on in the interim as we wrap up here is if you have an opportunity to support your local restaurant that is open for takeout or delivery. Do it because the more that you can support them now even if it means buying a gift card now that you use in the future that's still cash that they have on hand even if it's not realized in their in their books from an accounting perspective The more you can support them now by ordering take out or delivery the better chance that they'll be around when things do eat and they can have customers and you can order a bottle of wine with dinner at that restaurant when things reopen and I would encourage you to do that even then if you have the means to to go out and have a nice night in order a bottle of wine because of the markup that they that they have on those. I would highly encourage it because it's those kinds of sales that help keep restaurants afloat and it's needed more so than ever before right now. We'll find a way to take care of each other here. I think it's it's going to be. It's GonNa know we really again. Even the fiscal year of has really not affected as much as baseball. Might not get a start so already has been right at already husband the late so maybe football. Maybe they're able to jump right back into it without much of an effect because it starts up in the fall again maybe but a Jewish ninety nine point nine percent of everyone else is going to be affected. Find ways in hockey industry to hopefully again. I just want to reiterate the players are in. We're talking about these things to. It's not just the owners again. We hear about the industry. We usually just take it or something coming from the owners while there's a lot of interaction between the players association the players and the owners and everyone is in this together. I have every reason to believe that we will get a lot more clarity in the next couple of weeks but until then A big thank you again to all of our healthcare professionals on the front lines doing the incredible work that they're doing a big thing you to Grocery store workers delivery workers. 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#82 - Mark Messier: Leadership, personal growth, and performing under pressure

The Peter Attia Drive

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#82 - Mark Messier: Leadership, personal growth, and performing under pressure

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Want to thank you for taking a moment to listen to this. If you learn from and find value in the content I produce police consider supporting us directly by signing up for a monthly subscription. I guess this week is Mark Messier. Yea Arc is considered one of the greatest hockey players of all time. He had a career that spanned twenty five years in the NHL and he's played the second most games of any player. Second only to Gordie Howe. And there's interesting story that we'll get to in the podcast about how close he came to that record he's also the second leading all-time score of all time. I'm or is he likes to put it the first leading all time scorer amongst mere mortals with Wayne Gretzky being the only one who scored more than he did. It would take me too long to kind of go. Oh through all of Mark's professional accolades six time Stanley Cup champion. The only person to captain two different teams to win a Stanley Cup. The Edmonton oilers in the New York Rangers injures in addition to all the number of all Star Games. He's played it in the number of MVP's that he's wanted CETERA. I wanted to talk with mark about a number of things today. I wanted wanted to obviously talk about his career. And this is kind of a boyhood dream of mine to speak with one of my heroes who have had the privilege of getting to know over the past couple of years but also I wanted to talk talk about Rx philosophy in life and leadership and amazing transition. He his made and the ease with which it seems. He's been able to transition out of the limelight into his family life and his work. Outside of hockey we touch on many things here. But we do sort of go through it chronologically. And I think if you're a hockey hockey fan. This is a no brainer for you but I encourage you even if you're not a hockey fan to listen to this one. I think you're GONNA get a lot out of it. I think I I was really on the edge of my seat honestly during so many parts of this and even though a lot of the stories I knew what I don't think I really appreciated growing up watching. Mark was the subtlety in the maturation process. It's the came along with his leadership and his growth as an individual. I almost forgot that he he entered the NHL at the age of seventeen or eighteen years old which seems almost unimaginable unimaginable. Today I'll leave it at that. And without further delay please enjoy my conversation with Mark Messier. Clark mark thanks so much for coming into the city today. Good to be here with you. How often do you come into? New York City's actually quite often especially with the emerging kingsbridge project picked up in the Bronx which set up office down on Twenty First Street and was coming in for at least a couple of years these four times a week and then Ranger Ranger Games. And other charitable initiatives and dinners and meetings New York. is still friendly regular on the on the subways and trains now. Yeah I was about to say I mean you know you take the subway today. The most as someone recognized on the train every day on the train coming in from Greenwich Than on the subways obviously takes a lot of selfies on this subway. But it doesn't get old is just an amazing you know. Almost twenty years later the passion that still in the city and the people that were involved with the Rangers Rangers at Europe. If not actually there during the regular season the play-offs and of course Stanley Cup in Nineteen ninety-four so he has his twenty-five years which twenty it's hard to believe five year Yeah it is hard to believe. Actually we're we had a reunion last year who we couldn't believe it's been actually twenty five years. Yeah we were talking before we started this podcast about even just it seems like you didn't retire fourteen years ago or whatever it was fifteen years ago like it seems. I guess. That's what happens when we get older. Older time goes seems to be going by quicker. Life does not stand still. That's for sure. Looks better when you have kids. You can see the growth obviously every year and it's fun though. Every stage of the development of the kids has been amazing being a part of their lives and being retired so I can be home for that has been incredible. So Yeah Yeah. I've enjoyed the retirement but still when you start actually reminiscing and talking about my career. It's hard to believe I've been retired now almost fourteen years it. We'll talk a lot about watch your career. But I mean I think one little factoid. That's always worth mentioning is the length of it right. It's that I mean you played in the NHL for twenty five years correct twenty five years years in the Nhl twenty-six years as professional started. When I was seventeen and the that back when they had the WJ which was a secondary league lot of they ended chillers? Wayne Gretzky Craig Hartsburg. They used to call it was it was a big race to sign the underage players back then especially for the debate Jay who is competing with the NHL. So I was able to play as a seventeen year old for two teams and I have the distinction of being the youngest player. Ever to fold a professional franchise in Hockey Abbas Cincinnati Indianapolis Racers. I played five games and they folded went home back to Edmonton for a couple of weeks and then Cincinnati. Sign me About two weeks later it's interesting to look back at because that's as you know because we've talked about this before but I mean the others were my team growing up. Even though I grew up in Toronto main one the lease were just such a bad team. I'm in the eighty s that hard to be a leaf's fan but also Edmonton was just the most exciting team in hockey. So I remember those early eighties years. There's and those were think it's unless you're in a real hockey die hard. I don't think most people remember what the oilers were like in the eighties is like what it was like to have Gretzky Messier curry coffee low fewer Anderson like that all of those guys were on one team. mm-hmm yeah like I'd like free agency wouldn't permit that today right. It would be hard to keep the players for as long as we did but just to put it in perspective. I used to travel a lot in the summertime. I travel bugging when all over the world and the oilers literally and wing Gretzky and put Edmonton on the map. There wasn't anywhere we it didn't travel that someone did know where Evanston was because of the hockey team which was always kind of gave you a sense of pride just because of what we're able to accomplish but also what we're able to do in the in the sporting world that was being recognized with people all over the world that was eye opening for me coming from Edmonton traveled bed or their family family. But once I started really going abroad and that really hit home with that. We're doing something special and actually we had a really special team with this amazing players. There's that word as being recognized around the world so you grew up how close to Edmonton Alberta right yeah so Edmonton. Alberta was grew up rate. Remain a suburb of Edmond. Tenor eventually but when I first came back my father was playing hockey in Portland Oregon for the Portland Bucker Rouge. I think we've moved back in one thousand nine hundred sixty eight. He came back taught school. I think I came back and was going to gray one or two or right around there and then rate about when I was turning earning Or getting into grade go to great four we moved out of Edmonton to Saint Aubert which was a small community at the time. Just north of the city. Finish my schooling there and play junior hockey till you actually signed as a seventeen year old to go to the wgn. So when did you start playing hockey. Well I think like everybody everybody else. I started skating fairly early but I think my first organized hockey team was pretty much everybody liked rate at six years old actually started Nabet Emmett. ARENA PORTLAND. My father. Started the whole minor hockey league programs in Portland. They didn't have kids hockey back then. US responsible for really the Getting the whole minor hockey league system up and running in Portland Oregon. How did it fit into other sports and other activities you were doing was at one of those things where you know everybody talks about Wayne Story everywhere? He's two years old the base. You can't stop them from playing right. It's like you won't come in from the rank. He's taken shots on his grandmother in the kitchen was like that for you or was that just another sport that you played in addition to baseball I loved. I loved hockey back when I played it was it was completely different you know. We played hockey in the wintertime. We had one hundred and in twenty our program. We had two practices two games a week. We didn't travel to tournaments everything was rated in Edmonton and when this winter or the spring came we played you know baseball or soccer so we played multiple sports. And if you talk to Wayne and listen to what he talks about is a great athlete athlete in other words all sports play baseball. He's a great baseball players. Great Lacrosse player and he played hockey in the wintertime. And that's the way it was. Now it's kind of been more professional professionalize at an early age which some good dispute is not the most healthy thing for kids but this is the way it is now. And what do you think of that. I mean my reading of the literature. So this is a very the academic view of this. Not as my kids aren't in southern California hockey's not even on their radar. Even though obviously lots of kids in so cal. Do play hockey but it would seem that the approach that you took was a better approach. Actually which is a broader sampling of sports and developing a broader set of athletic abilities before ultimately sort of of narrowing your focus. I mean that looks to be the better formula. But it's not what's typically happening today is. It's not and I think because of it puts a lot of pressure ron on the parents both an time issue for parents an pressure puts on the rest of the family but also on the financial by having having to travel consistently to different places to play tournament hockey and and whatnot. But until you get to the age of fourteen Israeli the kind of aged were kids start separating themselves into what they really want to do and they're more focused on what they wanna do but up until then I've always believed that it's great to try a lot of different sports and become a better athlete. Total a total better athlete in all regards in. I think the science would probably prove that in. There's all kinds of examples samples of some hockey players at actually made it to the chill. That didn't really start playing hockey until they're fourteen or fifteen years old which debunks the myth of that you have to be playing hockey three hundred and sixty five days from the time. You're a two years old to the time you get drafted. It's just not the case. You gotta be blessed with God given talent to order in order to make it and then at the right time we have to hone those skills and you have to have the desire and the passion to put the work in. But there's a lot of kids that go through that whole process that never do make it. So where's that fine line balanced. It's really healthy. For the family structure healthy for the kid and give him the best opportunity fulfilled his own dreams. So what's the earliest memory you have of your dad playing. I gotta believe that that sort of at least planted a seed in your mind or no question. I remember. I wasn't wasn't even at School Julia. And now we're living in Portland Oregon and my father would take me with him to practices. Sometimes I probably was maybe four. Three four years is old and then we'd be able to skate on the ice in Portland before his practice started so I have very early memories of him playing. I can honestly say I don't really actually remember him. Being on the ice in a game vaguely we got some old pictures and small videos at were we watch once in a while but No question him. Being Hockey player released cemented the passion. And it's amazing how much you'll learn sitting around the kitchen table talking about hockey when you have a parent that was so entrenched in the game itself on the only as a player but as a coach and as a mentor to a lot of young kids after his retirement. When did it start to make make sense to you? That like this thing that you love doing or one of several sports you like doing. You actually could do this as your job. I mean how old were you in. Is You know I I always played up. My brother was four years older than me or three years older than me. I guess so when we moved back from Portland to Edmonton Paul was is basically a peewee. I think he was ten years old or somewhere in there. I was seven so my dad was coaching and he didn't want to go to two different practice times. Different ranks so he just put me on the team so I was always playing against older kids joke was I had a career as a peewee. I think I played for years as peewee but I was never really that great growing up might like the game. I always watched hockey in Canada. Did all the things that most kids do. They love sport. I guess you know I didn't have very much success as a Banham. I think one of my Banham years or one of my midget years. We won one game the whole time. The whole year so individually originally. I wasn't really kind of standing out. Maybe because I was playing against older kids but do you remember if you were Hassle Having Fun oh I felt about Oh love lust and loved. It loved it. Oh Yeah never question about. My Dad was really cool about practices. Now that he would he always knew if I would just being lazy or if I really just needed not ought to go because of tired school. Whatever so there's never any pressure in that regard to go to the rings but we would besides our practice we would go with her friends and play outside side? And that's what we do on the weekends when we weren't playing. I mean that's how we spent her time at the side ranks with their buddies and sipping hot chocolate and plain Shimmy. I had a passion for the game but I had a passion for all sports. I love being outside playing throwing soccer football lacrosse. My Trinamool wasn't that great in any the of them there but certainly had the passion for hockey and it was probably looking back with my probably my main sport so when you're twelve thirteen fourteen. DID ANYTHING START TO CHANGE AT that point in terms of your not. I was late developer. I didn't really start growing fifteen I think I had a liberal spreads shot up to like five nine in the hundred turned fifty pounds actually made that next fall after turning and fifteen in January next fall. I made the junior team which at fifteen was was pretty good. By that time I was maybe grown a little bit more but I I was late. Developer physically played four years of junior when I finished junior as six one couple of hundred pounds. And that's when I left to go play probes when I was right around fourteen. I really started to kind of a practice. My Dad's junior team. They're all twenty two. You know fifteen to twenty years old when I was younger and trying to do all the drills and catching up but I was you ause working harder by couldn't really generally speed and my dad was come on. You GotTa Skate Gates Gate and I was in my own mind. I felt escaping but all of a sudden I started getting into growing growing and getting stronger. All of a sudden my stride getting started getting longer started getting more speed and everything just started to fall into place once I turned fifteen I and became a junior hockey. Were you weight training at the time. What kind of off days weight training to ally was fifteen? You know at that time you you know the conventional wisdom. He had to wait a certain time to your growth plates and all that I think is still true to today. We had an assistant coach. My after my first year of junior who who befriended one of the world's strongest men in the contest huge guy and he had brought home a program that he did and it was Monday Wednesday Friday. Three our sessions and you know we just used to lift heavy. It's all change now but back then it was heavyweights and we couldn't even lift your arms up the wash her hair after in the shower it was one of those real beefy. Big Wait heavyweight weightlifting programs but that really really cemented it for me. I loved of the work out. I can see the changes happening there so between getting the power on the ice so I could skate faster and handle myself and it really really all started to kind of come together for me at that Raider on that fifteen years old age. So you're seventeen year in the W. H. A.. which as you pointed out a moment ago I mean the W. H. Absorb was absorbed at least four of the teams? I think were absorbed by the NHL when the WJ folded but there were a lot of great players in the W. H. A.. I mean many stars in the NHL came came out of that league. What was it like back in the late? Seventies was the idea that you play in the W. h. a. and then eventually go to the H. L. or was it a totally parallel path. That you pick one or the other no not really it was just. There was a lot of underage is being signed by to the NHL. Have a cap on what you could sign at the time. No those no cap nothing like that at the NHL while in the NHL wasn't too happy losing these young great players to the leg Gretzky to the WJ so as a little bit of tenuous relationship obviously between between the two leagues. The Debbie folded for those teams went to think was Winnipeg Quebec Edmonton in Hartford joined the NHL from so when from a sixteen team to a twenty one team. I think the city team in Kansas somebody became. I can't remember I can't remember now. My trajectory victory was. I was going to go follow my brother's footsteps to a college scholarship to Denver University so I had kind of a verbal commitment from Marshall Johnson at the time who was scouting the Western teams and junior and That felt like a great great idea and so I stayed in junior B which which gives you the ability to go play college hockey instead of the major junior. Were you can't take your eligibility away. So that was what I was planning getting undoing and all of a sudden the opportunity came to go play in the WJ. And I was kinda getting bigger and stronger and obviously looking back. I was was never ready to go. Play pro oh hockey as a seventeen year old but I cannot say it was a great experience. What did your folks say? What did your mom say about that? Specific think my mom was too happy brought up. My Dad was little more. Are you kind of realize that I was at the point of it was my fourth year junior hockey. I was kind of playing pretty well at that particular time before that league. I couldn't go to college yet. Had to finish the year. And so is Kinda stuck in this kind of place it was playing GonNa take that college eligibility away. I'm assuming a year in the W. H.. I don't know I became the contrary became a pro That Dad Wiped College. was that a hard decision to make for. Are you personally. I would have liked to have gone to college but for me it just seemed to be the right thing for me at the time. emotionally and for what I was really trying to accomplish. Wanted to be a pro hockey player at that time. I kind of throwing everything into the ring. So someone's GonNa sign you and give you some money to go play hockey. Didn't seem like it didn't seem like a bad idea. Kind of amazed how small many of those contracts were at the time I mean Gretzky. Had I think a huge contract with the Indianapolis Racers ultimately got bought by the oilers. Won't even even ages wasn't big relative to the relative to the well Bobby Hall signed for a million dollars back in the early seventies which was huge money anybody back then so they were given some money out to get try to get some wasn't Gordie Howe in the. What at this point as well Gordy Howe. I played against Gordie Howe into WJ because he was planned for the whalers at the time was named for the wailers. Yeah and they got a bunch of old Boston. Bruins David Kion Johnny McKenzie. I mean I watch these. These guys play on hockey night in Canada. My whole life and here I am as a seventeen year old. WJ Planning in Gordie. Howe and Johnny McKenzie and Dave Keon and all these mazing players at dad watched for years in the NHL had finished their careers and the WJ so it was amazing? Actually remember the first time you met Gretzky I do. I always tell the story when I was flying from Edmonton to go play for. Indianapolis was shortly early after he was got traded with Peter Driscoll and Eddie meal and he was on a plane flying from Indianapolis to Edmonton and so our paths cross in the air and so I didn't meet Wayne other than plan against him. I didn't meet him till training camp when the League folded I was drafted by Edmonton. And then we met at training camp in nineteen seventy eighty nine and that would be in the NHL. Now that was in the in the ditch. You guys didn't mean I didn't realize that I thought you guys cross paths and w h but you actually didn't really meet 'til you were both now no. I was plan in Minneapolis. They folded then went to Cincinnati to finish year for fifty two games and Wayne was Got Traded to Edmonton so we played against each other but didn't know each other and how many of the other sort of foundational players of the oilers came in that merger. Who else was there was fear? They're not feared and get drafted till eighty the two years into our here. Yeah and hurricane leary came maybe the second after the second draft. What about low low was the first draft? The Evan to know there's yeah. Kevin was the first draft ever the colors back in nineteen seventy nine eighty draft. I think curry came the next year. Grant and Paul. Coffey came the second can year with curry. Curry was like a fourth fifth rounder. Then grant was drafted early in the third year and So we basically that whole team from the draft came together in those. So Andy Moog was the goalie coming. What anti-drug no he'd come to later either. He was playing came from Penticton. Who's playing major junior? He got there before grant. He came the second year when we upset the Montreal Canadians. Yes which was nine hundred. Eighty eighty one thousand nine hundred eighty one I think are gonna get hurt or Glen. Sather put him in on a women and they stole the show as a as a rookie goalie. That was back when a lot of people don't remember number with the NHL looked like back. Then but my recollection. I was only eight years old but I was still obsessed. One played sixteen to played fifteen like it was done like a sweet sixteen independent of conference. Wasn't it absolutely at Twenty one team League sixteen made the playoffs eight from each conference. And you see yourself. Depending on your where you stood during the regular season end so Edmonton gets in their sixteenth. The top seed is the Montreal Canadians d second year. First Year we played Philadelphia. We made the playoffs. The first year we had to win nine of the last ten games of the regular season first year just to make the playoffs and of course Philadelphia was a team who we played beat us in. I think they beat us three straight back then with the I series has the best of five five so they beat US pretty handily. They added they had a really good team. And then it's at second season which is eighty one eighty two. If I'm eighty eighty one eighty eighty one. Yeah you guys a Montreal Canadian. You upset the Canadian. We helped the Canadians which was one of the most to this day. One of my best experiences playing hockey that whole Series Against Montreal. And I can't remember everything that happened but I remember emmer coming home and people google it and the impossible dream they we are under the in the dressing room obviously waiting to be commode onto the ice and they played a video with the song impossible dream within with all the highlights. We wonder I do games in Montreal and coming home the close it out to this day makes a hair in the back of my neck. Stand up of how energized Johnson City was was at the moment. You realized that you were going to win a Stanley Cup. Whether or not that year but when was the moment when you you thought this is really special group of people well. It wasn't quite that soon but I think what we all recognize. That Wayne was on a different trajectory than most any other hockey player. That ever played the game and the chances of Wayne win a Stanley Cup. We're going to be pretty good and if we all played our cards right and we're able to grab an Orrin Oren Start Rohan. Fila need on the team. Our chances increase to significantly if we could their follow Wayne so and that's true. That's it's the way we felt Wayne was completely different than any hockey player. He was chasing records books. He wanted smash every record that it was ever made. Well Eighty one. Eighty eighty two is is sort of a crazy year because those are some of my really first memories of hockey so I grew up in Toronto. So you guys always were two hours behind us so those To Watch and oilers game you know it was really a big ask of my mom. My Mom's permission to stay up late because you guys weren't starting games until nine. PM Toronto Time School night that go to school. But but I would beg in plead and I think my mom just gave up here just like Oh for heavens as Muslims must watch TV You know I think he won the tide. Marcel Dionne his first year with one hundred sixty five points and then the second year I think he's smashed it with one hundred ninety ninety seven points in one a going away in onto two hundred and fifteen points to twelve and then who yes you fifteen. You'll scoring fifty goals in thirty nine games. Well it's that that that night I remember so do you remember that night in Edmonton Against Philadelphia. When he's got forty five goals going into the thirty ninth game and at that point everybody knows fifty? The in fifty is going to go down but nobody knows it's going to be five goals in one night. Everybody's just trying to anticipate where to be where to get tickets. When is going to happen happened but nobody going to that rank that night thought? He was scored five goals against the Philadelphia Flyers. The big bad tough Philadelphia Flyers. Were no way they're going to let that happen and sure enough if you did. He scored five goals. And Pete Peters and what an amazing time to sit there and watch hit that genius on a day-to-day basis and very. Aw How often in anybody's life. Can they look at one of their peers. Guy That's your same age and look up to him as a role model. But that's what Wayne was for us. He was so far ahead of us in his own mental preparation and the way he prepared for games and both physically and mentally and his ambition of what he wanted to do in the game of hockey. All those things were just so far superior and then to be able to sit there and watch how practicing his practice habits now he prepared for Games Games and and it was just remarkable to to have someone like that to learn from nowhere to understand that a little bit more because I think most people are familiar with you as one one of the greatest leaders in hockey. I mean you're the only person to captain to Stanley Cup teams. You've Captain Edmund into a Stanley Cup in the absence of Gretzky. And then you captain the Rangers to a Stanley UNLE Cup and no one's done that before since and yet what I'm hearing you say is some of your early sort of lessons in leadership came from watching in Gretzky will not only Wayne but a lot of people obviously my father who was a great mentor and role model for not only myself and my brother and my sisters but also a lot of hockey players Eh coach. He was a great coach. Great Mentor and then all the people that helped you along the way. And then you then you get to turn pro and then you start watching watch another players and you start watching and listening to coaches and he started filling up your bag with all this experience and so you kind of learn through successes and failures eight years of what actually works for you as a player as a person. So you're kind of collecting all this data. You know all the way along Wayne just happened to be a teammate. That was was obvious to everybody that he was going to be become the best hockey player to ever play the game. He he proved it as a kid from the time. He was four years old to the time time he was in junior hockey that time he turned pro. And here he. Is You know scoring two hundred and fifteenpoints unheard of numbers in any sport. No matter how are you. Compare it to. It's worth pausing on that for a moment because I don't think a non hockey fan can put in perspective. What Wayne Gretzky did during thing about a seven year? Run from eighty one. Eighty eight right. What you just described to my knowledge? No player has scored more than two hundred points in a season. Gretzky averaged that for seven consecutive seasons. Yeah you're probably true. I know that he had Two fifteen to twelve two. Oh five to zero to to a few times Hundred Ninety years when he was winning the scoring title on assists alone. Now the only guy that I can actually say that was you could even talk a boat weighing in the same breath now regard as far as at offensive genius would be Merriam you. Mario had some injuries early on and so he never had that consistency sissy. That Wayne did but he would be the only guy that I could even think about comparing to have that offensive genius you that exists in a guy that was able to do that. There was amazing having that kind of role model their rate for guy. That was my own age Lou. That's right 'cause you guys are both born in old days older. I remember reading a funny story. Gory ones and again. It could be totally because it was just miss blown out of proportion but early in your days in Edmonton you. You SORTA got in trouble for something. Did you fail to show up to a practice district just did you. Were you discipline for something very early in your time in Edmonton as living at home. My first year pro and punctuality at that time in my life was probably wasn't my best asset but this one was actually harm or super punctual. Today's whatever lessons learned lessons learned is taken awhile but I was living in home and my mom was driving. We're leaving on extended road trip and so I packed my bag and my mom was driving me to the airport and she asked you know because back then there was two airports and Hamilton. There was a downtown airport in went out in the suburbs at the international airport. And I told her that we're coming back into the municipal airport for whatever reason we just didn't think about it. We drove to the municipal airport when when I got out of the car and dropped me off. This is back in the day with no cell phones or anything I looked around and normally you see the trench coats and their bags and everybody huddled together. We another tickets and I didn't see any kind of a sign that you'd normally see so my heart started the beating a little quicker and sure enough I looked at the itinerary and relieving to Detroit from Edmonton International so my heart heart sank. I quickly jumped in a actually. It went into and phone on a payphone and phone. The oiler office and his secretary said no problem mark. There'll be a ticket waiting for you at the counter at the Air Canada counter. So when I got to in a taxi and got international empty desk and got my ticket except for wasn't going to Detroit it was going to who Houston I was being sent down to the home farm team to teach me lessons so that was a tough moment for me at that time knowing that I was this is a flight and was being sent to our farm team. I spent two weeks down. There played five games and they called me back up thankfully but that wasn't not a fun experience but that must have hadn't I must have left an impression. I mean that's a pretty harsh lesson. Well you'd think it would have had. There was a couple of other ones along the way that had the cement the lesson. But what you realize that when you're playing on a team and you're in a team format nothing about you as individuals all about what's best for the team and your time is not your own. It's a team's time and you have to be respectful of that so there's a lot. There was a lot of lessons for me growing growing up as a young adult in a professional environment. That doesn't always happen but when you turn professional eighteen years old you grew up quickly in those days. I mean even by today's standards I mean Gretzky was tiny. How explicit was it that someone on that team or some Group of guys on that team needed to make sure that he didn't get hurt hurt or back then? That's where the game was played anyways. I mean it was a completely different set of rules of what was acceptable behavior in the National Hockey League. Big It was tough hockey You know just not long before that there was still bench-clearing bras during the game. You know I remember in the WJ my last year the seventeen year old having three bench clearing brawls in one game insane and big big tough guys. I'm looking to so yeah. I think every team had had a lot of muscle under teams and everybody had to stick up for each other. You had to be able to count on your teammates for protection. Everybody had to be a cohesive unit and in everybody. Everybody had the answer to bell for the protection of the entirety of the team. Not to mention something of Wayne's caliber because he was obviously targeted in many different ways and we had to be there to help him get through eighty two games schedule. So let's fast forward to your first Stanley Cup. Final eighty-three eighty three against the islanders of one three consecutive Stanley Cups. Right now. Mike Bossy Bryan. Trottier Billy Smith who I hated a fan. You hated Billy Smith right and it's now basically you guys are GonNa try to stop their fourth consecutive Stanley Cup. How well do you remember that series? I remember every series ever played without one in particular because how much respect we had for the honors. And don't forget two years before that we had taken him to six games and we didn't even know what we're doing back then we are just doing on sheer talent and adrenaline and youthful exuberance and and at that point I mean the average age of the oilers is probably twenty to twenty three. We had some veterans that mixed in with some of our young guys so there was a good mix of vets. Let's and and some young guys but we didn't have as much talent been as we ended up. Having the first year we won but we still had a good team and of of course any team with Wayne on it was X. factor so you make it to the finals and I don't remember what the oddsmakers said going into that finals. But I certainly remember as a kid it was like the oilers are definitely GonNa win this good about it. Yeah we suffered some painful losses is on our way to that first Stanley Cup final losing to La being up five nothing in the in the deciding game there was a lot of painful lessons along the way of what it took the win and we were on the trajectory and we are taking those defeats in those failures and really implementing into our game. So by the time we got to the Stanley Cup Cup final. We felt pretty good about our game. We didn't realize how much of a cohesive unit the islanders have become down by winning three straight down the cubs. There was a huge disparity boat. Were they were as a team and how they play it as a team compared to where where we were it was not even in the same league and they pretty much dismantled. Even with the Great Gretzky they dismantled US and four games and that was a real eye opener for us. That if we're GONNA take this to the next level there we have to figure out first of all how to play much better defensive hockey and then be able to recognize recognize what teams are trying to do to us and then be able to counterbalance at a very quickly in game in make in game changes and alterations alterations to the style of play. Were playing so it became a real chess game after that for us we we realized we're playing checkers and they were playing chess and we had a lot of catching up to do. In that regard do you remember leaving the arena. On the night of the day won the cup. Yeah that's a much off untold story. I mean you can only imagine nowadays and as a team winning four straight Stanley Cups and the toll that would take on a team not only as a team but on every individual and we did we walked by. Are there Dressing Room and expecting a big celebratory champagne fest in Muslim. Were just sitting around quietly around their stalls by this time. MM With ice packs on their bodies in that Dad told US said we weren't paying the price that we needed to in order to win a Stanley Cup so lot of lot of lessons law law lessons Leaving that that night in that playoff series air that we came back the next year and started implementing very early on in training camp. You talk about any professional sport but like today cocky for example. twenty-one teams well twenty of them end the season as losers right. You know. There's only one team that's going to win the Stanley Cup. So there's twenty teams that either. Don't make the playoffs get booted out earlier or like the oilers did in that case get booted out at the very last moment but it would seem to me that losing in the way that you guys did in four straight as you said just getting just getting your asses handed to you makes a very long summer. I'm sure there's a party that just cannot wait to come back. We didn't fall. We didn't see it coming because we'd act you take him to six games two years and so he felt good about the match ups and we felt and we knew what we're getting into. We knew the players. It wasn't like they surprise us from a player's standpoint. But what they really surprised this worth for with with those how they're able to take our strengths away in an exposure weaknesses and pretty much completely. Take off her game and a game that we like to play. They never allowed us to get into our rhythm and that high paced high temple game that we are so used to and custom playing and we realized that if we're going to beat the islanders is there we had to beat him in the streets in the alleys and eventually were able to do that the next time around. But Glenn say they're say after that fourth game. Do you remember what was said in in the Locker Room when you guys lost at that time. Not Much said it's a long year everybody's nerves are pretty fragile. Everybody's motions are high is not really the time mm to start kind of dissecting what had happened I think we all Kinda had to live with it ourselves throughout the summer and then come back and start to address it and and that's what we did Into everybody's credit. They came back with even more vigor and and determination to get it to the next level and ensure enough we're Israel to and it's kind of amazing so the next season eighty three eighty four. You guys face the islanders again in the final and now it's they're they're going for five live consecutive Stanley Cups and it was easy for them. They had to win an amazing series against Pittsburgh and scored over game seven overtime to get there so you can imagine Agean. It's amazing actually to this day. It's incredible that they made it. We won five cups in in seven years but the wind five straight is incredible so I think I have a good understanding of what it took on you as as physically as a person but also as a team and sure enough they were they were again now. If I recall you guys one game one close. They won game to not close kind of a blowout game too. Wasn't it too. It's pretty good. Yeah Yeah to Korea and then you won the next three and it was. I always thought like I. What do you remember about the psychology? Those last three games because that that was the passing of the Baton Taen that was one dynasty to the neck. It was to this day was so amazing to see that team hang onto that championship. Banner and how hard did they fought to relinquish it. You would think at some point you know. We could adjust wielded away from them but we couldn't. They would not relent their grasp on it and it was all we could do in that third game to win that third game. Once we won that third game I think it kind of was distortive of kind of the wear and tear of them starting to Kinda show and then our confidence went this way and they were beaten up and tired and we're able to win the next X.. Games not easily but pretty handily but to this day I'd give those guys so much credit. Because they would not let go that that mantle of being Stanley only cup champions and there was so much pride and hard work had gone into it there and it was just even as no I think they knew in their hearts their time and come. It was just devastating. I think they just were so devastated that they finally lost there but it was a great lesson in humility and sportsmanship. And what a real PRYATTA champion has to watchos guys go through that whole fifth year trying to win the Stanley Cup for five times room. Now going into game five when you guys are at home if you win the game you win the Cup which you go on to do. was there even a tiny bit of thought in the back of your mind. That not only. Could you guys win this thing tonight which I guess there was that thought but you could be the MVP of the playoffs. Was that even something you married. Thought never even thought of that. You know every time we allowed ourselves the night before to think about. Maybe we might win win the Stanley Cup. It just was over wrought with fear of losing that game and given them a chance to get back in the series air. We were terrified of the islanders. We knew how good a team they were. Even though they were banged up we knew how dangerous they were in we. And if you lose game five year back to New York to play a game sex before you know it gained six game seven. Yeah you could be hosed if you lose that game it was not a good thought going all the way back there for a number of reasons but none more than then that we were terrified of getting this close in that finishing off. Where does that first Stanley Cup? First of your six rank. In terms of the emotion ocean you felt when that final buzzer went. Will I get asked that question often about do we know what was the best Stanley Cup. I can only say that every Stanley Cup had so so many of their own unique story lines. Because there's always different player and he's obviously the first Stanley Cup growing up watching coaching to be delivered to a team. Every year from the time I can remember watching. TV to the time that I actually had a chance to do it. Ourselves was a huge moment. both from from every individual on the team and then collectively what we had gone through to get there so that was that was incredible but then the next year it was the same kind of feelings again because of how hard we had to work and different set of circumstances different set of motivating factors that led into the team and and then the same thing happened to all the rest of the next year was Pelley Lindbergh right. That was the year you play face belly. Lindbergh was in the eighty four eighty five Stanley Cup right. It was the eighty four. It was the eighty five Stanley. Cup Against Philadelphia. You go from facing Billy Smith Pelly Lindbergh. I mean I guess that's The Stanley Cup buyers had as team when you get to that point. I mean you're obviously playing a team deservedly of being there and nothing's going to be easy and at this particular point we're pretty confident and we knew how to win and we knew what was going to take in order to win. We just needed to go wrote an execution. We felt that if we executed our best. We are a better team but didn't make it easier. So now you've won two Stanley cups by the eighty five eighty six season. Edmonton looks unstoppable. The team is now fully connected. I mean you basically could have four or five fifty goal scores on the ice at one time in grant fuhr you have my personal view. The greatest goalie that ever played the game maybe not by the statistics but in terms of like just pure big game acrobatics. It seems like there's no way you guys can't win win a third fourth fifth six seven Stanley Cup consecutively. And then you come up against your nemesis from the town next door. The Calgary flames and I made up by this point. I'm in seventh grade so now my by sort of my. I'm watching every minute of every game and studying every statistic reading my Toronto Star newspaper and it's just like I'm dissecting every detail of this and I can't believe what's happening but all of a sudden it's game seven against the Calgary flames somehow. Oh you guys have each won three games going into the final game northlands coliseum and I remember that night having dinner get ready to watch the game and thinking trying trying to paint a glass half full view which may maybe maybe Edmonton just needs. This is a good little wakeup call and and maybe they're getting a little too complacent going into this game. I've never gone back and watch that game again so like I remember. I watched it in nineteen eighty six. I've never seen it since. I don't know who you ever seen that game since that you watch it from start to finish. No so if my memory serves me correctly it's two two in the third period is that I couldn't even tell you exactly what the score at I was tied late in the game. Yeah it's it's I think it's tied one or two two or three but I think it was two two in the third period. Steve Smith behind the goal has the puck cross ice. Pass a million times a game pass and it just didn't go in the right place and it hit the back of grant fuhr his leg egg and in the net goes and you guys are down three to two with less than a period to go. What do you remember about that moment? Oh I just I remember Calgary building a team that could compete with us. This might division back then was where ever seen to be able to get out of this. Might Division had a chance to win the Stanley Cup. Winnipeg was a great team. Calgary augury was really amassing a great bunch of talent and putting a team together that believe could beat us and they were tough all year long long so we knew once we got into that series with WHO's GonNa be a tough series and it didn't surprise us at all that they were playing us every bit as hard and we're matching ching US every bit of the game both physically and from a town perspective and it got into that series where we knew it was tough to your point. We're here we are in game seven and that sports stuff happens. You know when you're in the middle of it when something like that happens you gotTa Shrug it off pretty quickly. We weren't able to rebound from it and score tying goal and ended up winning the game. They beat us in that seventh game. But that's sports things happen. There's so many vow that along the away and there's there's so much about it to me right like remember in ninety one when the bills went to their first super bowl at the very end of the Game Scott Norwood has to kick this field goal for them to beat the giants and it misses it goes wide and he's on some level. This big scapegoat and you sort of imagine well. Is that how Steve Smith felt but but a really critical analysis of that game against the giants I is the bills. Says it's really not about Scott Norwood at all. If the bills had played a half as well in that game as they've been playing all the way to the super bowl they never would have been in a position where a last second field goal was necessary. And I think that was sort of my feeling of the whole thing with Steve Smith which was sure it would be easy to sit here and beat this guy up not you guys as his teammates. I never got the sense in reading the newspapers that that was happening but that the public could sort of beat this guy up for the own-goal as they would call it in soccer but it was like look. That was just a symptom of their seven games in this series right normally good bounces bad bonds over seven game series. They all equal out so I would never blame anyone incident on winning or losing using a seven game series. You know that whole game in the hallway. It unfolded with Steve Is. We could do a whole podcast on the psychology of that alone own. It was an amazing time for all of us to dislodge ourselves and the vulnerability that we all face in a team team game in how much you require everybody to be in the moment and put the work in and trusts and all the things that you talk about in order for a team to win a championship and it could have been any one of us. I think the compassion that everybody felt for Steve Even Drove our team closer together in some crazy ways again. You know another tough lesson along the way but things happen and and and that's what we took out of it as you can take nothing for granted in this game is good as we were as much as we expected to win ourselves as much as everybody else expected us to win and you can never take it for granted. Exactly what's happening here. And so we just collected ourselves again in resolving came back the next year and and the next even more you play the flyers again if I recall right next year exactly play. They're with Ron. Ron hextall Ron Xhosa. We'd play them. The next year and able to Wayne was able to accept the Stanley Cup. And I guy he handed to Steve Smith. And that's why sports is so important in everybody's lives because it transcends ports. It goes much deeper than sports. Especially when you're playing on a team and doing the things that we were doing there. It wasn't just about hockey. It wasn't just about shooting goals and scoring pucks. And all the things you would think about. It became much more more about life and life lessons in order to sustain that kind of remarkable level of play for the. Did you know Gretzky was going to do that. We didn't didn't surprise me when he did do it. You know Wayne was always looking out for people around him always had the ability to get outside himself and make sure everybody felt good about being on a team and part of the team. And all the things you would expect from a leader so it didn't really shock anybody that he was the first first one that he handed the Cup to was Steve. I remember that very clearly and I'm glad you brought it up because I I don't I don't I don't think I would have remembered to brought it up but I don't know it. Just SORTA warms your heart. I mean you compare compared to the most extreme grotesque example of the opposite which is nineteen ninety four the World Cup Andres Escobar scores on his own goal and he ends up getting and killed. You know I mean he literally is murdered in a parking lot of a bar. An here. Steve Smith at least a year later gets to hold the Stanley Cup as part of any human in development for him as a person as a player and what it did for him in his own confidence in his own self esteem and his own own career. I think those are the things that define you ultimately in stuff happens. Everybody but you know he was able to be strong enough to absorb the criticism that came along his way strong enough to come back the next year and go through the process of getting back in that exact same position and then succeeding seemed to me all the way through until we're able to win the Stanley Cup. I mean that's what defines you not him. Shooting the puck in her own goal would define him absorbing orbiting net and having the strength to absorb it and the infrastructure around him to help them absorb it and I think that's what good organizations teams doom. They they help people. Oh grow not only as athletes in hockey players but as people because you need people in unique good character people in order to win so if you're just talking about developing athletes athletes in hockey players in China Win Stanley. Cup is just not going to happen and do you see examples of that either in hockey today or in other sports then or now where you have all the talent Alan the world but there's something lacking in the character of them all the time you see it all the time. When we were kids we saw good teams that had in fighting amongst each other jealousy abode who was playing and and it just never dawned on us to think that way? Let's reflect on that for a second mark. Because because the talent on that team was staggering. As we. As we've discussed earlier it would be very difficult to imagine in a free agency era like we have today where you could amass that much talent under one jersey. We could imagine you couldn't you couldn't care it. Yeah you couldn't afford so again. Maybe there were stories that you're not telling but you don't get the sense that this is a team of Prima donnas where everybody sort of pissed at the other guys getting more airtime and more attention. Will it helps. It helps when you have the the leadership that we had and it helps when you had the character that we had is part of it. That Gretzky was so good that everybody was happy to acknowledge that this this is our leader and this is the best player in our team. And we're watching history right now. I mean as you said it was it was part of it but it was also the way included. Everybody and this is crazy it is in in in the stats. He was having yet away of making Dave Somme Coalfield like he was most important on the team and the list goes it goes on and I think that in the end is is really we always talked about. The stage is going to be big. I stand on does not one or two hoover's can be standing on the stage when we win the Stanley Cup. The stage is big enough for everybody. So let's make everybody feel accountable and miss make everybody feel important and let's hold everybody accountable audible for the job that they have and let's help them understand that even on another team they may able to play a different role but on this team. This is row. We need you to play and we need you to do the best of your ability in anything less than a hundred percent isn't going to cut it and together. We are able to help convince everybody that that was the path to success and and we never felt jealous of Wayne. We never felt that he shouldn't be on the ice at the end of the game when he already had four goals and forces versus. We wanted him on the ice. We felt a part of his success. We felt that we enabled him and put him in position to have the success that he did so in a crazy. Anyway we felt part of the reason why he was able to smash all those records so is really a team philosophy that we had that were all in it together. And you're right. I mean one year in in the All Star game we had eleven players off the Edmonton oilers dress in the in the All Star game and you would think everybody would have been vying for you know Glenn Anderson Never once want with complain about not being on the fringe. He was a fifty goal scorer and he couldn't get on the first partly unit. Never wants to even think it was a problem. Did he the hall coffee almost score or fifty goals one year scored forty eight goals defenseman unbelievable hundred and some points. I mean it was yes. Everybody had a role. Kevin Lowe was an offensive defenceman Smith. He realized right away. We need another Paul Coffee. So he worked on becoming the League's best defensive defenseman and that was where he got his pride of being able shut the other team down. He knew that that was our best chance to win. As if he unle- Fogel could be the go-to guy has to to shut it down late in the games and so he took the prior to do that and everybody on the team did the same thing when you look at the way the NHL is today and again we'll talk about the arc of your career but the League you finished in is very different very different style of play from the Lee you started in could attain. That played the way Edmund played in the eighties. Could that type of team be successful today in the League. Oh Yeah we do you know Edmonton was the first. I mean Glenn say there took the European flavor that had infiltrated into Debbie Jay with all the European players and all the Swedish players players Anders Hedberg and oath Nielsen Bobby Hall. And all these great European players came over and then the Russians and seventy two and in the flavor that we got from that kind of that infiltrated into the WJ and Glenn really realized that that was the wave. The next wave of the way hockey would be played and so so when we came in the League in nineteen seventy nine eighty. We are all really good. Skaters in in Glen allowed us not to play. Call at least called tabletop hockey. Those games you'd play with with your hands in the winger go up and down. But that's all he could go that was traditional. NHL Hockey next thing. You know you know the orders. Come in with all the talent and we're all we even going all over over the ice and creating havoc for most teams so that style of play is basically refined version of what's happening now so dance your question our style with Edmonton would have fit perfectly with the games being played now to mazing so eve. Now no one. It's sort of July of nineteen eighty eight. You've just won your fourth Stanley Cup in five years. When do you I? I hear any sort of inkling or rumor about the trade. There was some kind of rumblings towards the end of the season through the playoffs. And the you know we didn't think much of it you know how they ever trade Wayne Gretzky this. Nobody would even think about it so we didn't really pay too much attention to it. We got wind of it. You know normally with the smoke smoke there's fire as they say there was becoming more talk about it and I was actually in the summertime playing often. Got The word that The traded happened and I was like August early my collection. We're in there who called you. I remember being playing golf in stopping at the at the halfway house and hearing about it on the radio that the traded traded gone through. Nobody can still believe it so until I actually got a phone call from. I think Wayne or somebody that did that. I realized that it actually had come Sharia Maria. What did you think at that moment? I mean you're obviously thinking by this point you've had now eight years to hone your own leadership skill. I mean just listening to the way you talk about those eight years you can see like I can just hear you describing lesson after less than after lesson up and down up and down hard you know hard lessons so on the one hand you still have a job to do. You became the captain of the oilers that day. Bright basically defacto even if they didn't put see on your Jersey until a few months later but it's got to be kind of heartbreaking to I mean Gretzky your closest friend on that team as well well. It was devastating for everybody was certainly devastating in for the players. We felt that we were only just beginning of what we could accomplish. We're all the prime of our careers. That's the part that's so hard to believe visit. You guys literally were right very natural time. You're not near the crest yet. No right there in the sweet spot so for the players as devastating for the fans and the people in Edmonton. It was devastating. It was just a really tough day for everybody. Did you talk to Peter Pocklington. No no I never talked to Peter about that. There was no need to. I mean what was there to say. Obviously the feelings everybody had were obvious but to your point when all the dust settled in the training camp came around you know what were we going to do about it you know. We realized that we had I a responsibility to each other in the room and we have a responsibility to the team as much as we're disappointed with the decision do something like that and and then we added responsibility to the fans and to the city and so we just like again collected ourselves again and came the training camp and try to do the best. We could through a tough year now in eighty eight eighty nine. I'm blanking Takin. Who won the cup? That year is at Montreal. Now Calgary Oh that's right that's right. That's right Calgary. Ones are another one eighty s right and of course Montreal would go onto winning ninety three after that amazing series with La but then in ninety you guys make it back to the final again. You're playing the Bruins in the finals and nine the Bruhns. Yup what does it feel like to go back to the Stanley Cup without Gretzky. And now you're the captain I mean. You've always carried the expectations in many away. But now this is the captain. Didn't change much for me. I mean I was already entrenched in most player than team new me so I didn't have to change anything. Did you create a narrative like I can imagine it could very easily spiral out of control. Psychologically where you think well if we don't win now it's somehow means that all those years we want. It was only because of Wayne. I mean did you did you. Did anyone even allow that. It was true it was one of the reasons why we won't notice councils because away but it was because of a lot of other guys too well to me. That's the point of nineteen ninety right. It's that you wonder how great the oilers were. Yeah they're the best team that probably ever for laced up skates and wing Gretzky. If you never interrupted that team they probably would have won nine Stanley. But we didn't look at it as validation of how good we were weren't as hockey players because we went nineteen ninety without Wayne did never even cross our minds in fact at the opposite in fact packed weird disappointed. Wayne wasn't there to share it with us because because of all the great times we'd had with him so I don't think anybody on the team was looking for validation that we could or couldn't win without Wayne I- distinct when the when the training camp am came along like every other year. You set your sights on winning a Stanley Cup. And you go through the whole journey all year long to win a Stanley Cup. And you go through the process of winning a Stanley Cup because now there's new players on the team and players at hadn't been before in that culture and so you're trying to establish this culture of new players and you go through the whole process when ultimately ultimately we. We did win in ninety. I don't think anybody felt like all right. I will show everybody that it was it was more of that. We are proud of the process process. We had to go through with younger players and different players with a lot of the players that have been through the grind years prior. And and we're able to elevate ourselves and everybody else in order to make it happen so there was never any validation from us that we're able to do without Wayne it was. We were way past that in my opinion as far as Our own careers and our own thoughts of worry were and where we stood in the game and and and and how we can look ourselves as winners and all that Kenan things. It was a great victory. Don't get me wrong. It was an amazing victory to bounce back and win. You can't put it ahead of any other ones but it was. It was just as satisfying to win that one as well. When did it start to look like okay 'cause you your contract with Edmonton was through? What ninety two or later maybe even longer right now I can't remember Si- remember signing the contract at some point? I can't even remember if I had contract left or had a couple of years laughter known it adding even I just knew it was over. When did you know it was over? When did you know oh you're leaving Edmonton? I knew as over the last year I was there. Ninety one ninety ninety nine hundred ninety one anyone he a lot of changes the the team would was breaking up. A lot of injuries. Just felt different. Whatever reason we ended up losing to Minnesota I think you could just tell that is back with that child stars right with? Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah you could just tell that the CIA that chapter and all our lives was over and it was time to go do something different in different plays as different down any just no you can just feel it. I can't explain it. Never even tried to figure out why you're you know why felt that way. It was just so evident evident to me that it was time to go. Where you keeping this to yourself where you're talking about with your parents other teammates? I mean how were you decided. It wasn't really that I was talking about a during the irregular season. Because you're so focused on trying to win and I had to Kurt my leg that year missing time and think I'd miss six weeks with a knee injury and came back early and my knee. He was never really that great the rest of the year into the playoffs when it was over at the end of the year and we had finally lost. We got to the semi finals again. which was amazing and it? It was over when the final game ended against Minnesota was. It was like the book someone just took the two chapters and close the book and it was over this quickly as I did. You know where you'd end up no idea hadn't even had the conversation with Glenn or anybody hadn't even talked about it with anybody but had to have that conversation conversation. I don't even know Glenn at some point in and he was great about it. What's it like to come to New York? Well as you. As I mentioned earlier I was into lots of travel. And you know it was thirty years old I was looking for a new challenge both professionally and personally and when he started looking at the choices. This is from where I was in my own self development. What an amazing what mattered to you? The most in that next chapter because lifestyle opportunity. -tunities was exciting. I have to win another cop or I wanna be I was I was thirty years old. I was still peaking my. I was playing good hockey still no. The hockey wasn't over. But I just wanted to do it in a different venue different environments something completely different and then you match it all up and in New York's a pressure cooker right. I mean it's a this is in a sense that you know. The Rangers haven't won a cup since what fifty nine hundred. I thought I thought I didn't care about that. Nineteen forty forty. I thought that wasn't in the problem because of the pressure sure that wasn't Edmonton because it's such a small community and players can't really go anywhere. I mean it's really a small community but I loved it. I'm from there. We embraced it. We didn't hide from it. We immerse ourselves in with the people and at restaurants and bars and parties had fundraisers and charity events. And we're we're part of everybody else we just we've meshed in just like everybody else does years and so the pressure is always there with us so when I come to New York. I didn't think it'd be a big problem. I quickly underestimated that impact because of the size and and the pressure here in New York City. But it didn't bother me. I mean it was something that I just really wanted to focus in on. Yeah why do you think has there there are some people marketed. Just get crushed in that environment. I can only imagine what it would be like to be a professional national athlete in New York. Where you've got the world watching you right and this is a city that can put more pressure on you than maybe even the country could like Canada or one lesson I I learned very early on was from Wayne when he mentioned something that the everything he has is because of hockey and he never jeopardize his performance with? It's something that had to do with off the ice so everything off. The ice took a back seat for Wayne. Hockey was his primary focus. And so when I came to New York I realized that I I had to take that same philosophy in order to be successful here. And because of the distractions that are obviously abundant in a city. Like this and so my focus was purely on hockey and everything else said came along with. It would take a secondary role if I was able to do it. And that's sustained me. Yeah well and don't get me wrong. We had as much fun as anybody. That's ever played in this city but gained for myself personally. My main focus was from seven to ten at night aide playing the game to be in making sure that the best my ability to do it and I think that's one of the reasons why I was able to perform your with arguably one of the toughest cities to playing Lian. A because of the distractions. That just made it more fun for me. More challenging Other things have been able to juggle that. And that's kind of the juice that I was looking for as a thirty year old coming off five Stanley cups and seven years and feeling pretty good about my own game and and excited about live in the city and and try to be part of a team that conquered a at that time a fifty year drought or fifty one year drought. What was it like when you showed up for training? Camp in ninety two ninety three was ninety one ninety eighty two. I guess your first year. Why missed training camp? Because I didn't get signed until after the training camp had finished. I actually met the team in Montreal when the season season was just getting going. And how were you received. Was it just incredible. Excitement on the part of the players are was repeated trepidation. I'm probably not the one to ask that but I I was excited added so. I think the players were excited. I hope they were. I think they were. I remember. The Rangers hadn't wanted you're all and a lot of years and one ended up winning that game and just seemed to start unfolding. Then I think that year we won the presence trophy. We miss the playoffs next year and won the Stanley Cup a couple of third year. So I re wrote this huge roller coaster of emotions through three years and saw the great side of New York all the way down to the depths of missing the playoffs coaches getting fired and taken the blame for the whole debacle. And then all of a sudden rising up the third year to winning a Stanley Cup it was amazing rollercoaster. Maybe one of the reasons why it made the experience so much more powerful is that I was able to see both the good and the bad of an athlete in New York and wasn't easy when when we didn't let let's start. Let's start with the bad so ninety two ninety three. You guys don't make the playoffs. What what is that? Like compared to other pain you can experience as an athlete for example the year you guys get swept by the islanders or the year you guys lose to the flames like how does it compare to say you. Don't make the playoffs in well. The year that we won the presidents trophy it gave me enough time to realize the importance of the Rangers in this community and the generations of fans that had supported this tranches for for so long and so by the by the second year I was fully aware of the impact that the rangers have in this town in this area and then to you go from the disappointing playoffs. Obviously in failing again which always seem to happen to the Rangers but having a great regular season so that was kind of like a little bit of a trade off to the next year just not having a good year. What do you think was wrong that year? Now he had injuries. There was a lot of things that that happened. That didn't allow us to play as well as we should've and but anyway I got to see the other side of the city and the pressures that can go the against an athlete that's expected to bring a championship. Luckily I I guess I had enough experience to absorb it in articulated in my own mind and take responsibility in and then have enough support around me to help get through it and then make the right decisions. Obviously the next yes. You're in order to allow us to get to the Stanley Cup. Before you get to the Stanley Cup. You GotTa get through Your Arch Nemesis. The New Jersey devils will we be the islanders and the devils at year so so it was a good hockey in this area in the metro. Area there. So we've we started off with the islanders then played Washington in the obviously the great series against the devils. Let's talk about that end of that series. So you're down three games to two correct. You now have to win the next two games and you make this bold promise right so you sort of follow in the lineage of of Babe Ruth and Joe Name wasn't thinking about that long at the time I mean. Did it occur to you what you were saying. And how boldly you're decay curve me what I was saying because I was trying to as a captain you're always monitoring your team's confidence level everyday not only during the playoffs but every day you walk into the room. You're spider senses are up in your disengaging everybody's emotional state good better indifferent. In that particular time mm-hmm I was just trying to instill confidence in the players and our routine and that day was to kind of get on a bus and go gathered on a bus and go would a New Jersey. Have a pre game skate morning. Have Lunch have address and then go back to the so. I knew everybody would be on the bus reading the morning papers because we had done it all year long twice said well. What a great idea to let the guys know that? I believe we can win this. I wasn't even thinking about that would be splashed across the papers. It was only supposed just before our twenty guys on the bus wasn't supposed to be a twelve million New Yorkers in this certainly the New Jersey devils but that particular point it didn't really matter to me. I mean we do anything it can to swing the momentum back into your favor and that's what I was trying to do is instill confidence at which displayed all years that we could go in there and win game six. We had done it numerous times. It wasn't like we couldn't do it. We had to figure out a way to play better. We had to figure brought away to stop them. Madam of the devils and that's where the inspiration came from so going into game seven. How do you feel what we feel? Good we feel L.. Good about winning game six. We feel good about going home for game seven. It's been a friendly place for us all year long. We love playing in front of her home. Fans there's nothing not to like think about our position going into game seven other than the devils are a great hockey team and can play a spoiler very easily which was terrifying. We knew in order under to win. Game seven we were going to have to earn it. They weren't gonNA roll over. They felt that they could win the game just as much as we did and ultimately is one of the best series of probably probably ever played in. Was it game seven. That you've got the hat trick game. Six game sexy. Got The hat trick to win the game to come back. What was the score? A game seven to two three two two one motto greatest degrade Mattila goal in overtime. Yeah so now you're back in the Stanley Cup finals. Before we get to that I want to go back to something you said a moment ago. 'cause it honestly like the way you articulated it. I've heard great. CEO's say the same thing right which is the job of a great. CEO is to monitor. The confidence of the team is to boost. Morale is to provide leadership in a meaningful way. Not I just sort of Holloway can understand how how these things developed in you like. When did it become apparent to you? That like what. You did mattered more than just how you played on the ice. What you said mattered? How you spoke in the locker room matter like what was the evolution evolution of that from a seventeen year old punk? Who can't even get to the right airport to the guy who on the eve of game six is calling a shot heard around the world guaranteeing victory? Yeah good question. I think it really stems back when I was all the lessons lessons that I had from a father who was a hockey player. who was a team player? who was a tough defenceman who protected his teammates and knew the value of a team team in every sense for protection for success for individual accomplishments? He really understood what it meant to be a team player. Then I must stick boy for my brothers junior team when I'm fourteen years old actually twelve to fourteen and got to see my dad coach and how he treated his players Jason how he talked to his players and how he motivated the team and how he brought the team together and how he made everybody feel a comfortable and accountable and important and valued you'd e Dec- The power of what a team can do when they are completely sin linked together without ego one without all the things that can undermine any team in any sport and then get to a professional level as a young guy just trying to get my own footing as a professional but still seeing understanding all the things that I've learned all along the way and then seeing it play out in different formats sometimes positively acidly in sometimes very negatively and so you start to realize that Jesus some of the things that you know are actually really good and and smart and healthy and productive productive in this thing in the way that this is happening is very toxic and detrimental in not good for anybody and so you just start kind of like I said early start building the confidence of of what you're doing not only as an individual but what you're trying to do as a team and how you're carrying carrying yourself on the team and decisions that you're making for the team as an individual and and it just starts to come together and then you start to see other players and other great eight leaders and hear about other great events and and it just starts to accumulate over time until you're finally put in a position to have to food pull the lever on some of the things that you've learned at critical times in having the confidence at its rate thing to do and and oh I think you know with any great leader will tell you there that they know great leader is is mistake. Free every leader makes mistakes but it's the equity that you build buildup into the people that you're around that will forgive you for making a mistake. That just didn't work out well. It was a calculated decision. It didn't didn't work out but the players are the people aren't going to abandon you because of that mistake they trust you. The it was a bad decision. Didn't work out but they I still trust your vision and and how you can get there. And so that's where kind of all evolved into some seminal moments in my own career as a captain in the nineteen ninety Stanley Cup. Run all the way into through New York until we're able to win the Stanley Cup with a bunch of great character. Talented kids here here in New York City. You've obviously talked about the role that your dad had that Wayne had. And probably some of the other guys you played with Edmonton. How much of this was modeled modeled for you by people not on your team? Were you able to look at opposing players and see some of these characteristics that would ultimately come to define your leadership no question both positively or negatively we would watch other teams and good teams be fighting with each other on the bench and yelling at each other on the ice as a leader on the opposing hosing team. I'm using that as a galvanizing forest for our players to say look at these guys. They don't even like each other. Don't even win. I'm using every any too late. Can to convince our guys that we can win. No matter what it is in the SUFFIC- a weak link like that's GONNA we're gonNA expose at anything because it gets down to such small detail when two who teams are so evenly matched the smallest things matter and you're always looking for that little bit of evidence that little bit of self doubt on the other team or any any kind of pressure cracks starting to happen and to use that for your own team to expose that. There's so many things that go along and so you're really early. Start as you get older and you're in a different position of leadership you're looking for to play the game within the game. And that's oftentimes were you know series and install and Stanley. Cups are one and loss if you can win. The the war of not only attrition but also the the mentor that goes on against another team of all the players. You played against but never with so I know you've played against Gretzky. What's discount Gretzky and curry? Who you played against eventually but because you played with them but of guys that you only played against? Did you respect the most I as a player but also as a leader and you can think of those separately the other day with my son. My younger son about there was a wall somewhere of all the names and I looked at it and I I was. I played against every one of these players and go back to some of these guys that were playing in the sixties. At we're still we're still playing at the end of the air really yours. Yeah and then to evolve over four for decades so you can imagine amount of players that I played against an with over over twenty six twenty six years pro. You know just off the top of my ahead. I I just had so much respect before which is as a kid with Bob your. He was my favorite player. I loved the way bobby played. I loved everything about him. I loved the way dressed. I love the way. He is a cute look in his equipment to a lot of respect for him. I had a lot of respect for. When did you first meet Bobby or by the way not too much later when that was already a pro? I didn't get a chance to meet bobby as a young guy at all. I got funny story for you so when I was a kid I had Bobby Orr signed hockey stick on my wall. It was like you know one of my prized possessions. I had your autograph. I had Gretzky's autograph curry fear. I had half the oilers posters autographed autographed and. I had this Bobby Orr hockey stick autographed as you know being a good Canadian kid. All you're doing is playing ice hockey and street hockey every day and so sure enough. I'm out there one day playing street hockey after school and I break my stick and I don't have another stick to play and you know what I did. It's like the worst thing I've ever done in my life. I go into my bedroom. I take that bobby or a stick. which is way too big for me? I go and get a saw. I cut the top of it off. which is the part he'd signed signed and I go back out and I just start playing with it and all I've got left is the signed top end of a Bobby Orr stick and my dad comes home and somehow he got got me the stick you know? Somehow I mean he wasn't pissed at me but you could just hell. He was sort of like. I don't think we're supposed to do that. Sun I mean I was like I was probably all for the love over the game ten years old and to this day I still think I cannot believe I saw that stick. You said Floor as well. Now you did play against you flirt like work curricular flora but I always remember the great series against Boston that rivalry and when they had to go back to Boston and Mike Milbury said he wouldn't get out of there live and the story goes gala floor was at the Boston Gardens at two in the afternoon in full equipment mint smoking cigarettes and went out scored a hat trick when I heard the story said Wow 'cause I know what it was like going into Boston Garden so so I can really appreciate performing under that kind of pressure back then but love the way he played for the so many players I played against that were ended up being naughty great leaders but great players great people off the ice greeting their communities and that's one of the I think the assets of our game is is really the people not only as is players but what they've been able to do off the wall I always felt like Eric Lindros was a player that never fully reached his potential he was just always he's getting you know something about his style of play that lent itself to just him getting hurt too many times yeah it's health and is not only injuries but just health and so many different ways in that allow a player to do what you're talking about and having extended career I think what Eric play twelve years or when he first came in the League look like he could play till one hundred well do you remember before so the year he was with the Oshawa generals and he was going to get drafted and it was really clear. Quebec was GONNA draft him. I mean this was non-negotiable undergo sexual and he kept signaling. Guys I'm not playing for Quebec's don't bother drafting me. Trade me trade me trade me. But they don't but I think sports illustrated came out with an article. They said this kid is lemieux Gretzky and Messier Meld into one and I remember thinking guys. Are you you freaking kidding me. Like how much pressure could you put on a kid like taking the three greatest players in the NHL and telling me that this kid in junior is going to be the next him and I grew up in Toronto so a lot of the kids. I went to school with actually played with Eric during the junior junior like. Mta You know triple A.. Like through fourth grade before Eric really started to leapfrog ahead so so you knew he was great. There was no question but I thought that was like that was a bit much pressure to put on a kid. I thought yeah I think so too You know he was. Kerr got cut short fact about the NHL. There's a lot of great players. There's a Lotta great players in two elevator self to the lakes of Lamu in Gretzky. Those are pretty lofty standards. Well as you said there's a longevity thing I mean I still can't believe play twenty five years like in fact I gotta be honest with you. I never ever had done the math until I was preparing for us to sit down and talk today like it was really on the last couple of weeks that I did that. Actual math because I just didn't realize it was that that long in fact I forgot that Gretzky had played a full twenty years. Like that. Just doesn't make sense in a sport like hockey like that's the exception. Not The the rule you you really and especially when you played because you played such a physical game. I mean what's the worst injury you've sustained that they got so lucky. Komo had both knees ligaments stretch. MCTL's probably four times in each knee. I had arthroscopic surgery on my shoulder off towards my second last year. How many concussions did you have? Hard to count. Yeah they just don't really keep track of them the same way. Keep track of multiple concussions but didn't really keep track and back then you made sure you walk your roommate up a couple of times. If he did get a bump and ahead make sure he. He woke up. The you know we just didn't know we just didn't have the the knowledge of of what concussions were and the impact that they had so is completely different back then. What was the hardest part about retiring for me? I didn't really have a hard time retiring. If you can believe it just said like I recognize is it was kind of finished in Edmonton kind of recognize. That was funny. I asked my trainer said okay if I train everyday I am I going to be able at forty four. Am I going to be able to compete with the younger guys on that kind of level and he goes no no. Because you're going to need more work to rest your recovery. Recovery is just not there so every time I work out I need three days of rest or whatever it is and so it's a diminishing returns over eighty two game but you ever think like imagine. There is a model of often thought about this. And it's you know you have to change the economics of the sport. But it's like you take a guy like you who's now in his early forties and you say look we're going to reduce the amount you're getting paid but you're only going to pay play. Every third game you know could a roster support that because in many ways what you're bringing from a leadership an an experience in an intelligence standpoint is not going down it's only going up up but you just as you said you. You don't have the reps in you. You can't practice and play with twenty two year olds. Yeah I personally probably wouldn't have liked VATA mean. I love playing every day. I love being in the pit of being in the trenches. That wouldn't work for ME I. I didn't couldn't have sat on the bench for two out of every three games. I I just don't think you have the equity with the players. I think you you you can do that and be a great resource and you can actually play and it would be for some people but I think to be in a big leadership role I think one of the parts of being in a leadership role as being actually got hurt with everybody example and in in being in those tough skates and being tough. It's not the worst philosophy and so I just knew that if I couldn't do that then what also I have left to play for. I didn't want to play for money. I didn't WANNA play for anything although I I didn't care if I was eight gained behind Gordie Howe. Didn't mean anything. Yeah that's that that was another stat that I had totally forgotten which was so you retire as the second leading scorer of all all time. So you know somehow these two little kids that showed up from the W. H. A.. I retired as leading score of mere mortals. That's the way leading scorer time he doesn't he's way easier so I was when I retire. Now I'm I'm third of the mere mortals that played the game. But what's amazing is what you just alluded to a second ago you were only what eight games behind Gordie Howe for by an airbase and play and other European I for only eight games behind Gordie Howe. I never played the game ever eaten ever paid for a record. Never played for stat never played for any kind of goal record record any kind of assist record any kind of game I never played for any of that wasn't even on my radar when I first came in the League I was trying to make the NHL. I never thought I would even be rush In a position to hold any record and so I it wasn't even in my DNA as a player to to even consider something like that in all of the the things that came along. Were just by quincy playing a certain amount of time but feeling a part of the of the whole journey with the team and so to come back in employs a promotional tour to Gordie Howe. I mean what was that GonNa define me with. It didn't mean anything to me. That's telling the market. I think there are a lot of players who would have come back for another year or half a year or as you said kind of just a the record tour I think a lot of people would and but but I think in some ways I think the fact that you didn't the fact that use use you finish eight games behind one of the most storied records in sports says more than if you had the record. Maybe you know I guess that's for other people people decide for for me. I you know I was so focused in on being a team player and trying to win down a cup every year so that was the only thing that kind of motivated Beta me and finding that whole chemistry within a different team every year and in all came in different ways and different teams were motivated for different reasons but finding that motivating galvanizing factor every year That we can all rally around. Was the juice that kept me playing for twenty five years. If if a young player can not today and says I'm starting my career. I mean was there a moment when you were just so nervous that you go into a game or going into a series or going into a tryout or something and you actually had to will yourself off the ledge. 'cause obviously stress anxiety and nerves. Herbs are very positive thing. I mean you can totally harness those things but when they go too far they can be crippling. Do you recall a time when you actually were on on that edge and you had to pull yourself back from the sort of destructive to the constructive utilize of that force. That's that's such a great point in the fear factor of failure is always evidence. You know we were terrified of losing in Edmonton all the time. As good as we looked from the outside I can only imagine inside. We were terrified of not losing and probably more terrified of underachieving which is worse than anything is being an underachiever. So so how do you get yourself that you're able to be ready enough and relaxed enough to be able to execute in the most important important situations and I think it really gets back to what we talked about earlier as you know your preparation trusting in the preparation trusting in the evolution of the team team over the course of the season and repetitive scenarios. There that you know you can do and you can trust yourself and you got trust in your teammates. And they're going to be in the right position because this is whole choreographed ballet. That's happening on the ice at forty miles an hour with twenty four switchblades trail and sixty miles an hour and dangerous Christen. But everybody's got to be in a position at the right time in order to make the choice of systems work so I've felt it myself but when you do fail there third and because you're not always gonNA player best when the chips are on the line you're organ. Failure Oregon make mistakes. You are going to be the guy that gives the puck away to to lose a game in just being able to be strong enough to have an unwavering self belief in who you are and what you're trying to achieve in a lot of that comes comes from the preparation and the commitment that you put into the game so there's been a lot of questionable moments long twenty six years where you doubt yourself and remember standing on my First Cup final along the Blue Line in Edmonton and being so amped up that when the anthem finished by whole right side I got blurry and I played about twenty seconds of the first shift and then went off to the restroom ahead lay on the training room table for five minutes in in order to just get vision back. Whatever happened just way too amped up way too ready to go away? Too excited in. That was a great lesson as well because when I looked over at the islanders they were just kind of in the Nice groove a nice relaxed state. And so how do you marry that with into much not enough in debt. Perfect sublime state. And then of course a lot of philosophy and some of the things that I worked on in my career from self-awareness standpoint. And things like that. Say a bit more about that. You live a different life than most people can relate to right. I mean most people finished high school. Get a job or go to college or whatever but you were sort of thrust into a limelight. From very young age you had to make a bunch of mistakes aches in front of a bunch of people and and before you know it. You're you're sort of forty four years old or whatever you were forty three when you retired I wanNA talk a little bit more more about retirement and the next phase of your life but I want to know a little bit about how you like. What kind of introspection and self reflection were you able to do as is an athlete or was that mostly something that came after? No I think it wasn't a evolution all the way through I became curious wife to start with why Wayne what's the best hockey player in the world. And so I started watching him. I started watching him in practice in this practice habits and what. He didn't practice to become a better player and how he was Zabell saucer. The puck on his forehand backhand where he would go in certain situations. And all that and then I still if you're curious enough. There's a lot of answers out there how to become. I'm a better player. Both physically and emotionally and tactically. And all the things that you would you. Don't Rep your the way you represent yourself. You're just an average guy right like you're not a a guy who had this God given gift now of course you obviously have great natural athletic talent. But you're this guy who is as you tell the story. No one could have predicted on your first day in the NHL. You are going to be the second leading scorer of all time or the first amongst mortals. They were as in the case of Gretzky if someone said that on day one. It was believable. It was more evidence. And that's why it's so amazing that your patient with in certain things that you look for in an avenue any sport not necessarily when they're younger but in how they can change in evolve so it would have been no evidence Linson until I even turn pro that that would have happened so I think that yes you are given God given talent it has to be nurtured and honed and then you have to be willing to absorb a lot information nor to become a good pro and a good teammate. And then you know how to elevate elevate your own game from a fourth line fighter to a second line left winger to a second line Centerman to a first line sentiment through the course of career rate like but yes I think curiosity one and I felt that there was a way that I didn't believe in his own Say More about that. I didn't and believe in that it was just by chance at a guy would have a good game. You would hear these people talking about. Wow is really an zone tonight. I don't know why and what happened. Couldn't feel my legs. I could skate all day. Never got tired. The the goal look like a soccer net. You know didn't feel like anybody else's on. Oh you know you never once felt that I felt it but I didn't think it was just because it just was interesting. It was just a chance. You think that's happened along the way in order for that to manifest itself at that particular time so I started asking questions about you know okay. Well what is that. I mean what there's there's a bigger so what is the hager. What is your take while? I think it's a level of concentration net doesn't get discovered you know it's a whole nother. That's another whole nother podcast. But I just think it's a it's a deep level of concentration that you're not even aware of that's mixed with preparation. That's with mixed with belief chief that's mixed with repetition of the skill all that comes together as certain time and I think that in and to distant very quickly distinct that in a in a professional world. There's a lot of external things that go on outside the game that can be conflicting flitting and be distracting and take away energies from you not only physically but also emotionally and if in a perfect world you have everything in your personal life in complete order you have one thing to think about on a big game like a game seven or whatever it is so when you guys were like literally these twenty-three-year-old kids in this town called Edmonson. Do you think you were able to take it more seriously seriously as a combination of things one. It's Not New York City right so you're not or Montreal or Toronto where the pressure is unbelievable. Was Unbelievable Nimitson too but almost a result of how well you how much potential you guys brought to it and then secondly you have this thing around Gretzky which is you all figure. Go out very quickly. You're in the presence of greatness and this is a once in a lifetime opportunity your piece of history in many ways. Do you think that somehow that all galvanized to produce this environment you're describing. which is you could focus so much on your on honing your craft at an at a time when it could have been easy to have put eighty percent of that effort in but twenty percent of that could have been put elsewhere? I think again. It doesn't just happen overnight. I think this is something that if you're interested in it takes a long time to get there and I think that there are a lot of questions that need to be answered along the way of anyone's career you know why am I here. What am I here for you know what am I in tensions? What is the endgame? All my being perceived by teammates the how is a sporting hockey the world perceive me. What am I doing off the ice to be a good citizen? What am I doing to contribute to the community? That doesn't happen when you're eighteen years old. That doesn't happen when you're twenty years old that happens over a duration of period as you evolve as a person so for me when I came came to New York as thirty years old and I had a lot of time for introspection to think about you know what I was needed to do in order to be successful as a player Claire and all that maybe if I came here at twenty two wouldn't have been the same result because I wasn't ready for a or mature enough to handle the external things around the city. Who knows I just look at it? It's it's an evolution of anyone's I think that the sport has to mirror the maturity Eh of anyone's and of those two things kind of keep going on a parallel track. Then you get into players like Tom Brady and players that are redefining their sport and doing things that are considered unattainable whether you're playing into your forties and still hold your radio as quarterback. I'm just using him as yet but I think if you asked him his own trajectory when he first came out and got thrown in well. I think there's something else about. I don't know Tom Brady but I would infer from the outset that there's something about Tom. That's very similar to what you said earlier. Which is I? I don't get the impression. He's playing for another super bowl ring. Of course he wants to win another super bowl ring but that's not the reason he's playing. I get the sense. He's playing because he believes leaves can continued to perfect his craft and and I. I suspect that that's what the greatest thing but winning is the is the end result. It's the way you can measure. That is the way you can measure Asia. And of course you know every time you come to training camp you WANNA win. But I don't think you can just say you want to win. I think they're certain things especially at his age at he needs to do in order to to be put himself in position to be efficient enough at deposition in order to take his team to another and so I think that's where that whole thing I'm talking about word were were sport and life finally come together at a certain age and they parallel the tracks where you become more evolved as a person which only helps you in your sport because you have a better understanding of who you are as a person and all the things that are it takes to be successful from a physical standpoint and the training and then and the evolvement of the knowledge of the game and the experiences I've had so it's quite remarkable and is one of the things that I'm sure he would tell you because I can save myself as one of the things that keeps you in the game at that later stages of the year is is is honing that walking on that razor's edge that very few people people have done and try to do something that has never been done before. You look like you're still in great shape. What do you do today for exercise? How do you stay in shape? Little live everything. Obviously weightlifting is a important cardio and I can get cardio from many different. I was never runner but I ran the New York City Marathon back in two thousand eleven ten year anniversary of nine eleven. Are you deliberate about it. Or sometimes professional athletes when they're done they're done with structure. They've spent their whole lives being very structured in doing this doing this being here at this time being in this training camp being eating this way doing this doing doing that and then when they're done it's like look I'm GonNa work out but I don't WanNA program. I just want to do what I feel like doing. I mean where are you sort of on that spectrum. Yeah I'd say see that. Shortly after I retired I was doing some other stuff and I kept waiting for that through because I used to give myself three hours to work out when I was training. You know it'd take a minute to get an Jim and it takes me ten fifteen minutes to get myself with deep enough concentration to be able to actually put the work into that I would. That would need. I didn't need three hours actually physically work out but I to get myself mentally ready to work out and then when I retired I kept waiting for that. Three hour window to come along up never came along Because the kids and all that kind of stuff so I'm kind of a pretty loose about what I did find though is that I feel better when I work out. I physically feel more awake. I feel more alive. I feel more energized more energy fresher. I guess probably net result of doing it for so many years at your body just becomes accustomed to it and you feel sharper so you know when I did. Retire would wouldn't work all the time and it became apparent to me that I actually feel better when I when I get some kind of work in. It doesn't have to be anything like I did when I was in the three hours in the gym. And all that. But if it's twenty minutes of Cardio or it's a anything a yoga session or so. I'm kind of resigned to the fact that if anybody's doing anything I'll kind of jumping on it and try it and obviously got a little bit of a routine to three or four days a week. But I'll try anything do anything and just to keep the body movement. How often do you get back on skates plan? Some charity events every once in a while. I'm on the ice quite a bit because I coach my son's team so I'm on the ice I use actually Friends rank up in wire mill. Paul Orland the Great Guy. He's got a little private rink there. So I go there and just do some cardio. You'll just get other unscathed. I'll just get up there and and just do skating exercises because it just so good for your core and for your and you don't have the impact and you don't have the impact of running and all that right and so it's just so much development of your core in your legs and all that so keep that strong. How fast can you skate? Relative to your twenty eight year old self what percent sent will what you realize is that you have such massive leg power when you're playing and when you stop that atrophies pretty quickly so if I had to say put a percentage on it. Yeah I'm curious as to how far you would fall in twenty years I would say I have ten percent would ahead way ten percent less no overall. You're that far from over. You're twenty years ago I would. I would say so but my guess is if you still. I'm still in good shape. I can still skate. But if if you get back on the ice with a bunch of forty year old dudes I bet you skate. Circles around them right depends on what you're skating. I mean if I if I took six months and skated skated in started to develop some of the muscles that you really need the skate and freer edging and all that. Yeah may maybe but you know. I'm fifty eight so you know it just atrophy unless you skate every day those muscles atrophy. You know you're growing is in your hip. Lectures your quads and Ham. I mean that whole muscle group group of of your legs and so that's just straight away speed skating around circles. What about the ability to change direction is that even more lost? Is that even though some laws because you instantly they become fatigued with because you don't have the muscle power there so it's just it's amazing actually. In fact it wasn't. It was about two years after I retired and I put my equipment Whitman to do something and I felt like I didn't have my. I felt like you were wearing someone else's equipment because my legs were about twice the size and my pants fit different and all of a sudden my legs were in the pants that I had retired with and it felt like they were just swimming on me just because of the of the atrophy. What do you weigh now? Now we about to fifteen which is not that far from what you play later. era to fifteen. or so. Just distribute it. Just you just don't have the muscle. Mass awesome you lose muscle mass just because of age but you also you'd lose must never not years. Well I mean you can't just a the Ma- mazing how much power it takes to play hockey from a legs eggs standpoint and a and a cardiovascular standpoint. It's incredible in you know when you do it from the time you're young boy till the time you're forty something and you retire you. You don't even think about it because on the ice and not even think about it. What is your son? Think about hockey the one that you coach. He's how will will lines through the older boys thirty two and he's Khotan. He loves hockey at. T's made a career of coaching kids in up in Washington. D little caps Douglas Loves Hockey's sixteen playing midget hockey hockey. And that's the one you coach. Yeah Yeah does he WANNA play pro. I think you'll love the play pro. Is it hard. How do you feel about letting him be his own guy? Oh I think he needs completely needs to go on that journey of self exploration to see what he can extract them himself to see. Ask You about it We talk often about hockey. I think he knows what's required even before whether or not you have the talent. It's an interesting journey for him to see where he can take it ultimately that will be defined by him and not by me. It's gotTa be interesting. It's got to be a mixed bag of emotions for for you to watch your watch. Your kids play this game and know that I you know I know enough about you to know that all you really care about. Is You just want your kids to be happy you want. Your kids is to sort of find their own way and you WANNA stay out of their way enough but also be there enough to answer a question and support amendment. It's just I think it just harder. When Your Dad Atas Mark Messier to Balance Your Dad was such an important part of your development? Is it sort of like you wanna be able to provide exactly what your dad did. No more no less. That sort of how you thought about being a son of any professional player in any sport is gonNA come with some baggage for the kids whether they feel it as they're expected to be a great player because her dad was and and all the things that go along with it ultimately the reason why sports in my opinion is such a great thing for all kids is it. It does take you on that self journey of self awareness in what you WanNa do and are able to do and are able to put the discipline in the time in. That's required a to be the best you can be. It doesn't matter how good everybody else's what do you have. and Are you willing to extract every ounce of talent talent and work out of your own body that ultimately no matter how far you take it will serve you well in wherever you land whether it's in a sport or in business or whatever that kind of journey can only be beneficial for for all kids and certainly for for my kids as well and I think there's something else about team sports which is all the stuff you've alluded to around this type of leadership and the difference between I was loved that movie miracle to the thought that it's such a great job of love showing how at an individual level. That team was not nearly as talented as the Soviets right but on that one moment in that tournament everything everything that they had done under her brooke sort of came together and they outplayed the best team on in the world as a team not as a collection of individuals else. And so much of what you talk about is really. You repeatedly emphasized this importance of of both leadership team play and the dynamics of the team and again I think you've you've paid a lot of that tribute both to your dad into Gretzky as being too great role models of that and many more but yeah. There's there's a lot of information mation out there for for any young aspiring sportsman sportswoman girl boy. No matter what their dance music acting hockey baseball football whatever. It is if you're interested. There's a lot to learn if you're interested Tummy put the Mark Messier Foundation. What do you guys do well? When Chris came to New York it was really important for me to entrench myself into the community? The first charter ever got involved with was the Albert Lung Association when I became a pro in In Evanston in Glen say there are codes air. Really Kinda emphasize that we'd get out into the community and pick a charity and attach your name to it and help help. The Alberto Lung. Association was an incredible learning experience for me. Because it's all about the babies that were born premature and had unhealthy lungs and whatnot fast forward to come into New York. The inundation of requests to get involved with some kind of charity in the city was overwhelming so I they had to figure out a charity involve myself with and then held as much as I could everywhere else and that became the Tomorrows Children's Fund at the hackensack medical. The university and years after retirement it became apparent that I could start my own foundation and really kind of focused on the things that inspired me. The most net was giving back to providing access and opportunity to kids. That didn't have the means to do it. Like hockey in the city so the mark missy foundation is basically that it's about creating access and opportunity in different areas. Aries of kids lives there that they would never have had the opportunity. Otherwise for different circumstances whether it's financial or infrastructure not available or in school aspects or whatever. So that's what we're focused on. And it spun out of the Kingsbridge nationalist project that we're trying to build here in the city that that would provide provide a lot more access and opportunity to kids to play hockey in the metropolitan area here with three. NHL Teams you. You'd think we could do a better job of the creating more access for kids to play sport that so much entrenched into this metropolitan area. It's hard to imagine you not living here isn't it. You have so many tentacles in this in this New York Area Business Wise Philanthropy wise family wise which is again I for me I always think of you as being from Edmonton which of course you are from but if probably lived almost as much of your life here as you have their right yeah well. Let's close. I came here when I was just thirty. And I'm fifty eight now so would spin a you know I I remember my first press conference saying they hoped my second occurs. This gives my first. We're able to win as many championships here in New York Eric. But we're able to win the one but my experience here in New York has been incredible. I think the thing that really drew me to come to new. York was not only the challenge of Reagan. The fifty four year world drought of the Stanley Cup. Also immersing myself into a city of this magnitude and and the culture and all the things that go along with it that was very appealing to to me and it didn't disappoint me in any way. I've can't tell you how much I've enjoyed my time as a player in in retirement in this area area and the people and the amount of experience that I've had with so many different types of people in the city it's interesting I mean last thing I really WanNa talk about mark. Is this idea. Where are there just seemed to be two types of athletes? There are those who retire. Who can never sort of get over the fact that they're not still all twenty eight years old and that their glory is no longer going to be wed to that and then there were another group of athletes who retire and move on an and continue to like live life to the fullest with respect to whatever the next chapters of their lives fit in your obviously the latter category? I mean we could have in a whole other podcast talking about what you're doing in business today and all the things you're doing outside of hockey do you have a sense of why you're able to make that transition and when it was time to say goodbye you said goodbye and you know your identity doesn't have to be wrapped up in that And why others have such a difficult time doing that. What what do you think defines I think you just nailed it. I think to put a very quickly. I think the the thing is. I didn't identify myself only as a hockey player. I think that in order for me to be able to do that I needed to good family around me and good people around you to remind you that. There's a lot more to life than hockey. Although it's a huge part of my life from the time I was very young to the time I turned pro in his one of the things that I had to really focus in on when I was eighteen. Because it requires all your attention to perform at your highest level. But it wasn't who I was as a person big difference and I think with good people around you to remind you of what's possible outside the game you eventually intially realize that you do something that you love. And it's most amazing time of your life but it's not going to define you in the end and I think those two things became very apparent to me. You know sometime in the middle of my career where there's just more to this than playing hockey and that's where it became so apparent that you are an important part of any community that you play in and there are the things that are going on in the way you conduct yourself and how you give back and all. The things are so important to to a professional athlete in order for him to do. And I think those are things that really kind of separate you from the player and so when it's time to retire. Yeah sure I miss game love playing hockey. There's nothing better than playing hockey and being a part of a team but I was able to walk away because I had a new family and there was more to do in life in a different way that alleviates that need to go to the rink every day. And have your ego boosted because of your plan on a professional hockey team. So I think that kind of really Made it easy for me to retire into Kinda go onto the next phase in my life when at forty some years old now look if I was twenty five years old and forced to retire because of injury or something that would have been tough to retire. No no question no question so. I'm only speaking for myself that I was. I fulfilled everything you know for twenty six years pro forty four. A young family in my own mind was there anything left to prove. You know from hockey standpoint. No was is a lot more to prove from a top exam point. There's a lot more tomato tomase mark you still keep in touch with any of the guys from Edmonton I everybody everybody yeah we just had another reunion Edmonton not long ago. We had one here in New York. And what's amazing using about The city is at everybody seems to come through here at one point during the year so being able to stay connected to a large portion of the guys on a Fairly regular basis is is quite easy. I would love to be a fly on the wall for one of those reunions literally just sitting up there in a raft or watching like take the greatest hockey team that ever laced up reminiscing about. Gosh what it's been now. Thirty to thirty five years. Eighty five team was voted the top up team and the last one hundred years and so we had a reunion for that team in Edmonton not long ago and it was remarkable actually to get get that team together and see everybody that some of the guys I hadn't seen again I had but just to be able to get to your point yet get to the room and everybody somebody Sat in exact same seats on the bus on the way to the ring. It was it was. Did you guys get on the ice and skate. We never did that would have been. We should have done that. Actually we should have had some kind of it. Just came at Gimmick quick pickup or something like we should have been with both Andy and grant there you go yeah. The whole team was unbelievable. Was Amazing actually. We should have done that. I'll remember that for the next one. You know I got to meet Ronnie Lott recently. Who is one of my favorite football players ever growing up and we were after shooting? The breeze forbid I said do you guys ever get together and play a game of pickup football you in Montana rice and everybody goes. Yeah Yeah we did it actually Kinda recently and I said what was it like and he goes. It was awful. I mean I hurt for like three days. After he's like Jerry was the only one who is really really in still still in amazing shape which of course if you look a lot by the way he looks just like you. He is exact same weight that he played at. So it's not like this guy. Got Out of shape. But he's like look. Jerry was still sort so you know really in shape but but it's the same idea like to get that forty niners team of the eighties together in the orders of the eighties. I mean I don't know there's something there's something very special about those later. The connection is so strong because you have such deep respect for what you did together and the commitment that each individual put Ford's towards the common goal I think that's where the Gratitude comes in. Do you think that it's just impossible to ever reproduce that again again in the sense that like has money changed that I mean back in the eighties. You guys just didn't get paid a fraction of what players get today. Do you think that his joiners again in order to win you gotta get there somehow or another team has a shorter window to do it to bring it all together but they have to get there on an emotional level in order to win. Saint Louis did this year. The you look at them just before Christmas. They weren't even in the playoffs. Yeah kind of amazing turnaround easing Turner but somehow or another they were able to you emotionally connect on a much deeper level than they had ever in the past. And it's without that so yeah I think think the principles of winning are the same. You got a much shorter window to do. It becomes and goes for some organizations where they don't quite get there but any team that actually wins. What will tell tell you there that the team connected in a way that they didn't probably feel possible at some point prior notwithstanding that your kids are still at a point where you don't want to be away from home but fast forward a few years your kids Rollin? College or doing their own thing would you want to coach in the NHL. It's hard to say I Obviously feel like I have a lot to offer any organization any team because of my experiences that would lend itself well to any party organization. Coaching is something that I enjoy in. I don't think there's a big difference Philosophy speaking coaching a a sixteen year old team than coaching in. NHL Team because you do have to communicate the bench awareness the things that come come naturally to someone that coaches and and it doesn't come naturally to everybody it doesn't I recognize that I do have a unique ability to coach and I think I get it from my father and and to communicate so it'll be interesting to see if that ever happens day and last question. Sort of out of your purview. But we'll Toronto ever win the Stanley. A I'm asking seriously do I would think so. You know the toughest part about the R.. Game is such a tough league but the good news news is that you can see a team like saint. Louis bring it together in a short period of time. I mean they obviously had the pieces. They couldn't have wanted they. We didn't have the pieces in order to do it but somehow or another. They are able to galvanize which in a way that they hadn't previously and so when you look at the turnaround of teams that have gone on to win the Stanley Cup. In the last ten years look at L. A.. You know what is finishing eighth and win the Stanley Stanley Cup. The League structured now that every team has weaknesses. There's no perfect team right now. Every team has to decide where they're going to put their strengths and and absorbed the weaknesses because the salary cap era and what it does is it lends itself to a very competitive environment where it's a tough league and but it also gives it was a lot of teams a lot of hope that it can win and I think it's good for the fans is good for the League is good for the players is good for organizations it's going to be hard for someone to dominate innate. Perhaps like we did in the eighties or something like that but to answer your question. I believe the Toronto Maple leafs are going to with the nucleus. They have the right now they should be able to get it done and it's now probably longer than the Rangers drought. Because wasn't the leafs last cup in sixty seven sixty sixty seven so What are we working on now? Yeah so you're that's law. That's that's actually that is now longer than the Rangers for years is a long time long long long time but I love the leafs now. This is not quite literally yet another couple years but I think it's funny grown up in Toronto. I never liked the leaves. Because I just think this sort of that Harold Ballard Arrow was so bad and I mean we would go to the gardens but you're going to watch other teams. They were coming. I mean every time the oilers played including exhibition games. I I was sitting up in those crappy gray seats to watch a game but now I'm always amazed when I'm back in Toronto. Just what an ordeal. It is to get to the air. Canada CETACEA game. I mean it's got to be one of the toughest towns to get tickets. I just know coming to New York and original sixteen and the passion behind the generations of fans. That were here. It didn't take me long understand the gravity of it and if and when I say I love the leafs I love the least because of that same. Original six teams are named the history. The the the passion the heartbreak all the things that go into an organization that make it so compelling to go to the game to cheer the leafs on if you're a leaf fan and even if you're not only fan you still got a respect where they've been and where they've come from. And and the way that organization is moved into the modern era and this juggernaut organization that is just so compelling if they win this year. I've done the math now. It'll be fifty three years if they win this year. So they've got one they've got two years left to say. Fifty four is a long long time but the working on it so hopefully flitting get it done sooner or later. It'd be nice to see a Canadian team getting there but oh yeah for sure. It won't be. I can guarantee you won't be given to them. The park has been awesome. Thank you so much for all these insights you know. First Time we met. I remember you never know when you're a kid you know you meet you meet your boyhood heroes as you sort of you just never know. Can they live up to the poster on your wall. Can they live up to that time. You got that autograph. Then you've got to stand in front of them for three point seven seconds while he scribbled something on your hockey stick or whatever it's been a pleasure getting to know you and I think that this podcast I think is is just hopefully a great way for folks to get to really understand your style of leadership which is certainly not about boasting about just sort of a a quiet passionate yet. Highly intuitive and introspective form of leadership. That I I don't know I guess I'm biased. But I don't think we see a lot of that in sports anymore if nothing else. I'm highly appreciative of it. When I know that others will be also thank you great being on great talk in hockey as always in there? 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Okay. So there's actually there's actually six or seven things that need to happen before you hit record. Okay right and We had them as. You used to be. You'd say to me Jim or why do you always start in then have to get up and get a coffee exactly. Well, because I it needs to be fresh full and hot. Okay. So I can't get a ten minutes before it won't be it won't be it won't be hot. Okay. So then you acquiesced to that. Okay. So you understand. Okay it's time for the hang on. Copy. It's one workout live with. It's fine. Okay. But now there's about six. Okay. So it's the coffee needs to be done. Okay. The furnace needs to be turned off. All right Stevie. The pack of smokes needs to be put on the table. Hey, which I did today. Okay. So I got the coffee as Oh hang on hang on it didn't turn the furnace off. So we have to stop then I did that hang on I got to get the package darts. Okay. We got that and you're like, okay, right? Yeah. No hang on I. GOTTA get the Ashtray Steve. Okay. I. Got I got the Little Tin Bowl full of water. Okay. I gotta get that and then like can we go? Oh no the lighter. Okay I forgot. Yes, these are all the ceremonial things. This is all the structured stuff that happens every daily gentleman, and that's so that's enough and then meanwhile there's like the stuff beyond your control like yesterday you through in the dagger to go to the bathroom now. or though the some guy named, Roddy, just popped in and like just randomly coming through your house Jimmy, what what the Hell's going on over there. I don't. I got an open door policy and then now the other you're finding you. I gotTa Get I. GotTa Get the candle. I need the scented candle because I'm smoking in my house now it's winter. I swore I wouldn't and. So. So those six or seven things which you would think, can you just do all those? Jim and then let me know what I can log on the. Record. So I really think you really think ascended can't candles going to help your house any Cigarettes. You're going to smoke in this show. It does I got the triple I went to bed bath and beyond place. Went shopping with my chick and she loves those places and and her house smells really good i. go into her house on my. This smells like poetry. You know this is unbelievable. You know. How this is unreal, this is nice. Yeah. Just the candles so caught twenty-five fish they cost you stevie, but at the three weeks okay. Your Wife All about the candle she must be oh yeah. Yeah there's one there's one there's once he gets every year at Christmas and just become the smell of Christmas. It's the smell of like how a campfire might smell in the wintertime. It's unbelievable that yeah I got the flannel even get when it says. There's a thousand candles you can get Steve. Flannel. Like. Get that get finally. Get this melting. Yeah. So anyway it works. TV It works. Okay. Even when you blow it out Steve, you blow it out it lingers. Well then it becomes a Potpourri or something or what do you call it What do you call this? The sticks that just sort of smoke forever. Sage sage sticks or something I don't know cunning design, Steve? By The candle company it's it's county linger. On. That one stevie. GonNa take a lot there by the sound of. Hiller. Around the. The, linger. I gotta say I had an old guy moment today by the way. I. Know that usually this portion of the show is devoted to your old guy moments. I had a rare one today. It started the other end of the spectrum you think back to when you're nineteen and the excitement of going to the liquor store and. Doesn't ask for I D or something like that or the first time you get into a bar without the masking Friday big day. Yeah. So this is kind of the. Exit sort aside, the polar opposite of that level of excitement. So I, I went to a new barber today. Liked him. He's great and everything. But, we hadn't met before. So you get the Cape on and everything Tux that thing in around the collar. So the hair doesn't get back and so immediately into the small talk goes. So do you work or are you retired and I was like oh? This is literally the first time in my entire life or anybody suggested that I might be retired based entirely on the look of me. Right. Yeah I. got that hurt that hurt. I got the I, get it I get it because I forget where it was. Maybe Hawaii. Last August. To shop for groceries because we as like a Condo we rented And and running through there and realizing that you're going to Hawaii you've never been there but you you'll hopefully you'll get there one day but the price of food is exorbitant sti of groceries. Okay. It's off the map. For whatever reason I guess it's not like this is this is an island. That that doesn't get a lot of action. You know it's okay. It's a state in America but the loaf of bread is twice what you pay anywhere else. For example so you're six seven bucks. So I remember buying grosses. Holy. Jesus forget the exchange I'd soon as I get there I don't deal with exchange folks anymore. Okay. I don't go. That's twenty bucks all. Yeah but that's you know that's Twenty eight dollars Canadians. that. There it's that currency. That's what we're dealing with. However whenever during the grocery shopping holy Jesus, you know how much Hundred and ten dollars which I'm usually good. Stephen Guessing. What the the TAB will be for the groceries run through. You know I'm always within five percent I've been shopping my whole life. I thought this is a sixty dollar touch here. No one hundred ten. And then it's kind of saying as to the girl. Holy. God is Inter a lot of money here she goes. You should have waited till tomorrow. Sir. Why Seniors Day. Aussie, that's exactly how I felt to. Say over sixty five, you get over what over how old? Sixty five. Yeah. I feel your pain buddy. All right. By the ways, your phone blowing up right now with photos from Russ Court and let the golf course Y'all Ruskin Russ can step back. Kennedy. When our weather is going completely south not in a good way. Look at the last one, he just sent the fairway. Looks. Like it looks like a eight lane race track the way they've cut the fairway. Zozo championship or something is happening invitational thing but it's all the big gunners. It's all top guys in the world. This was an event that taggers started hosting years ago. He may still be the host whatever that means whatever that means it's a it's a four day PJ tournament. I ninety guys there's probably no cut. and it's at Sherwood, which is the famous golf course were Wayne Gretzky lives in place. Sherwood is in a place called West Lake California where a ton of celebrities live. It's quite it's quite the hike from downtown. La It's it's probably a forty five minute drive north west La and lives there to what's that. Lives there. Russ lives there too. He's been there a long time. A. So you've heard US talk about it a lot golf is two hundred and fifty granted join. Sure what but but lots of up to kind of hide. So, there's like Justin Timberlake's got a place up there and Who's the guy does hosts? American, idol for years. The Old Ryan seacrest Ryan. SEACREST is up there mark. Wahlberg. Might be a ton other guys selleck Tom Selleck I've seen around kick around a bunch of occupiers. Lenny Dykstra. Is Up there what a story speaking out check check out the Lenny dykstra story. GUYS BEEN IN JAIL Steve Been in I've heard a lot of his story because Howard stern has a whole bunch of characters on his show. He calls them the wack pack because they all have their those call them quirks and he them on and they're entertaining in their way and leading dykstra is. He's almost pseudo member of the wack pack because is so out there and outrageous and yeah, he did do a little time. Yeah. He he bought. Wayne's house went. So Wayne. When the First House Wayne bought or Second House Wayne bought there was big twenty five Thousand Square Foot House. Okay. The called the Taj Mahal. Is the nickname for. And it's it's it's on mountain peak. In the middle of the golf course. So. You really have this three six. It's just it's just opulence beyond belief you know and Lenny dykstra bought that he bought that house because Lenny Dykstra made a zillion dollars in the car wash business. He did other things that along the way. He's come up with a book. Okay. This is why I saw him the other day and I. Don't know if it was an old a two year old thing that maybe that book was that old I was was probably on Youtube or something was looking at an interview that a sports guy doing with but he ended up buying that house from way. And then Wayne, is now back in that house, he bought it back from. So he went to roll on that lent Lenny bought it. But that hosts any went broke and couldn't afford it. So we put it up on the market again so I. Don't. I don't know where he lives. Now if he's but he's an interesting story noise, he's he's been through thick and thin man A. Sudden Wayne do well on that real estate shuffle when all was said and done wait I've known I've known waiting for thirty plus years and he's only bought and sold houses because they because they wanted to not because they needed to like get. Of course much bigger. Do you need when you had a paltry eight thousand square feet your first? and. A big house is three thousand square feet. Yeah. They just said well, let's go back into it. Let's win and every time you made money. I like when he moved to L. A. Lived on the famous Mulholland drive, you've heard it movies all the time and we have to sell it to move to a different area and made. Made, money on that one he it's pure lucky set. So what beyond beyond the actual price tag in the size of things at his house like when you wander through the Taj Mahal, which I love by the way is a name right when you wander through that place. Like. What are maybe a couple of two or three things that just? Beyond what I imagined like, what are maybe two or three things that make your jaw drop as you wander through that by S-. good great question because there's a number of. So the property itself. Has the. Main Building Steve. Sounds like a complex being. The main one is twenty, five thousand. Square feet. There's a bridge from that. House that goes across the. Four five or six car garage though like. that's a separate building, but there's a bridge that goes over to that garage and above that as an apartment, a kid that building. Now, back behind, that is a tennis court with with another. House there overlooking the tennis court this is on the same property. Okay. They use that as a gym. The way on the other side of the property is a guest house. Okay. So there's one two, three, four, four separate buildings on the property itself. Okay. The dining room, for example. What your dining room you could probably put a leaf in that table Stephen Getty people around. You I'm guessing. Whatever. Your normal. Mine, mine if I had to I gotTA I. GotTa Open Dining Room off my kitchen I could probably get seven or eight people in their. Their their dining room holds thirty five people. Out. There's three separate circular tables of twelve. There's There's There's there's nine bathrooms in the joint. There's a there's something like twenty one televisions throughout the place. There's a there's a movie theater which people go. Yeah. Okay. People call it a movie theater, but it's really just a rumpus room with with a big screen TV no no no, it's a movie theater. Okay. With twenty five seats that recline that are in a row with popcorn. dolby sound surround all that. You know it's a full on deal. That, I always thought that was kind of staggering twenty-five. What what he is, he ever had twenty five people in there. I don't know I don't you know the kids the kids are I mean this kids are growing up right I mean tie just got married his Paulina's married of course, the Dustin. There's two kids at home Emma who's I don't know she must be seventeen or eighteen now. And and she's the big tennis player right? Big Tennis player. Yeah really good. Really good tennis player and Tristan is a really good Golfer. He's gone to pepperdine on a scholarship I. Don't know what's happening. There was school. But he's real good. So they live at home but. The, the funny thing that would stick out for you for sure is of we walked around the house every everything the the the decor is through the roof. Okay. She Rolls Pretty Good Janet. You know from from the antique. The the room I stay in that house. When I go my room in fact, they call Jim's room, Steve. Kerr. Jim's room. They still call Jim's room when I'm not there s Jim. Through. The poster. A bed frame poster. Poster bed frame is. The. KNOBS on the end of its deavere probably like a thousand. Bucks knob right. He take for me to be talking like this right now but. And then what what would stand out is where everyone hangs out Steve Okay. So you twenty five k. here of square footage. is in the Seven Hundred Square foot kitchen. Okay. So when you come back to the, there's always lots on on lots of staff no running the house and looking after things but but everyone crowds into a table that holds six and there's always like eight of us and there's always people around. But as soon as a tweet out that stuff it looks like it's a really fun atmosphere the way they. Cram themselves in together even though they've got thousands of square feet to spread out in, right? Yeah. s families do yeah. Anyway it's. It's really hard to explain. You know I could explain to you. I would understand if you said to me, your neighbor has a five thousand square foot house I can picture that I know what that looks like. You know six thousand begins kind of staggering right six look at this joint right there's four bedrooms. A Monster House multi. It'd be vaulted ceiling Steve Maybe two staircases. If it was a two story, you know there might be a front and back when all that. But Twenty Five Thousand Square feet the Hallway Steve I pasted off one night. So it's one hall that goes from one side of the House right down the middle of the house right to the foreign. Fifty yards or something. I remember wanted yards. Yeah. Fifty Yard, long? I pasted off I. Think I put it on twitter walk. Walked it off one day. Fifty. What about like hockey? Memorabilia Is Wayne keep some of his. Probably would be able to put together the most amazing collection of hockey souvenirs of any player. A couple of things it's funny. You bring that up. So he has he has a warehouse of stuff. And that originally was in Phoenix it may because he of course, he lived in coach there and and I've been to that place. That's where he had an office there and his manager had an office there and then they warehouse a bunch of wind stuff. Big Warehouse. Yeah, it's big. Yeah. It's probably. I don't know it's like. It looks like a home depot in behind all the. Choice of shelves and shelves of stuff what people don't realize true is he has a number of things that he hasn't released. Of of for example, you might recall there's a pretty cool photo that got a lot of action with Wayne Mario Lemieux and Gordie Howe walking together across an outdoor rink, an outdoor ice skating, not not with ring for. There in the Bush almost walking through there right I. Don't know if you can look that up. You'll see it's pretty cool photo of. The three of the greatest players, right? Yeah. So he's got more stuff like that. I think that no one's ever seen that. That that he might release one day or not and certainly not about the money of it but it is a business right? There's there's you can order stuff from Wayne Gretzky. Where that warehouse is now where he did, but but the two other significant places where his most highly valued. Personal collection is. Is it in his house in Brantford in the basement with Walter. Yup. That place of course. ICON. The other one was his restaurant in Toronto where? Super Cool. Shit. Super Cool. Stuff of game were jerseys of Olympics and world championships. Skates from. You know the the last game he played I think those skates were in the restaurant, but he shut the restaurant downright it closed down this week. Or this this last month. And a friend of mine Brian Aaron Worth from a company called framework is in their gathering all that up to store it. Right to keep and so. There's not much in this house actually there's not much not much stuff in this house. Well maybe going to grab something for me because you know how well I I treat Wayne Gretzky Paraphernalia. Bag Keep it, keep it away. From Michael. That's the key that's the key to it. All have to get my own little warehouse in the backyard. Anyway? That's neat. That's neat to hear about that that that really takes the good listener inside on that stuff because. I mean, there's that's a cottage industry right going back to the old Robin Leach, law livestock, other rich and famous right and that's that's the most famous hockey player of all time into kind of hear some behind the scenes stuff. That's cool. I'll give you something else interesting about that. So. Fine and Dandy right to say Oh my God what kind of stuff does this guy? Have you know because the thing about a Wayne Gretzky or a Michael Jordan Or a Tom Brady or Roger Federer. Or? For that matter or I don't know who who you know. Willie mays, all these guys is everything they touch becomes collectible. Sure everything. Okay from. Equipment of course, right equipment. But but here's a car that he sat in. Here's here's a seat that was his his father sat in when he came to the rank. Here's. Here's his Coffee Cup that he drank out of. His a piece of Gum. Member that visa. Yeah. To. That's two of the most absurd chewed gum was barry bonds and then there was also. On ebay vile of Elvis's sweat. What that exactly. But yeah, they're that kind of stuff out there. Right. So what happens with that Steve? Okay. So so now who knows what who knows what? That's worth? Okay. Who knows what? Grabbing a dinner plate from Wayne's houses worth of someone's stolen. And said I was at this function grab thicket and we're going to auction it off. You know. So with that those Steve. So you got a very valuable industry here and brand in the Guy Wayne Gretzky with that comes a lot of scamming. Okay. A lot of people putting stuff out there that unfortunately that that says it's authentic and it's Wayne. Gretzky and it's IT'S A it's a big problem. It happens all the time and the reason I know this is. In fact Wayne was here and then we shot down to Branford for his Golf Tournament that his dad was Walter Gretzky classic and Wing Wing showed up one year and I was with him and I was GonNa Mc the GIG and they had a silent auction. Well. It imagine the lineup for this silent auction Steve. Okay of people who aren't even in the tournament trying to bust into the CLUBHOUSE, right? Okay. Because many the items were signed by certainly by Walter but by Wayne and he has a time guy that he pays. A lawyer that looks after trying to try to police people coming out with with duplications of stuff and right. So i. went to the side. Of thing I was with his brother Glen and we were walking I said, let's go to the auction stuff because I'm I got to promote it right I'm I'm emceeing the GIG right so you know you've done these right don't forget forget over here. We need the money for I hated doing those. Yeah. Hated doing it to buy we walked along and. This is what Glenn is doing. All at this he goes that's a fake. That's not his that's not his signature. That's a fake. That's. Fake fake fake fake. Might be faked. That's real. So it's like four Mennea. Yeah. Yeah. The guys it's The They. Duplicate. His. Autograph. Annual do do I mean when you say, I think about a Guy Gretzky's rookie card and I sold it a number of years ago for like six hundred bucks some guy in l. a. and it's probably worth two three times that. But this I said so little faith because counterfeiting got kept getting so more and more common and to me if you unless you've got like the real. Upper deck started putting like Hologram logos and like just like cash. It was hard to replicate but those early ones like Gretzky rookie or seventy, nine, eighty peachy and then before. To me, it's just cardboard and ink and to me that would be if somebody who's really into it and wanted to go to town, it would be almost impossible to spot these fakes. And then. You Mix in the autograph at should shut it down but not everybody knows exactly what Wayne Gretzky's autograph looks like right right and. I'll tell you what my son did. My son Jake my middle. My middle. Child. Jay Chou's now twenty one. He was a really good basketball player and so is my youngest guy why they both played High School Basketball Jake, a captain actually of his team on giant high school three thousand kids. Super Good player and You could go. Michael. Jordan. Had Basketball a youth basketball camp in Santa Barbara. California which is north of. La and. Jake sort of brought this up. I'd love to go to the Michael Jordan camp rate and on it is Michael shows up every day right and I'm like that. That'd be great son but I just don't have the twenty, two thousand dollars to send you. Okay and he said it's not it's like eight hundred. Bucks Oh. To go to this camp so and it was real. So both my boys went to this three day camp thought a week weeklong three camp. Jordan into it I would imagine it'd be like really hard to get into that still like when it doesn't cost that much I would have thought there'd be. A difficult thing going into that thing. Yeah I sort it. I said well, absolutely and and off they went. Down there and spent three days at this camp and the it was a riot Jordan showed up every day and sometimes for fifteen minutes sometimes he played basketball with them. Shot baskets know. At the end every kid got a picture taken with Michael Jordan. He sat down with them all and my kid. got a pair of Air Jordan shoes and got Michael Jordan sign. Them. So Jake has this. Cool Pero en worn. White Nike Shoes signed by Michael Jordan. And someone offered him five thousand bucks for them. Attempting. He kept him he kept them. Don't let don't let don't let his uncle anywhere near them based on your brother's behavior with some of the stuff you've given him. All over those I'm not I. Didn't say that to pitch them but I don't know maybe sell them if you want some Michael Jordan signed. Like issues. Let me tell. You know welcome to the. Attention from my shed. Why not I'll? We'll take time out here on the program speaking of paying bills. Yeah. Take time out on the program back with more after these words have your insurance rates been going up year over year you're not alone that's happening to everyone. I'm Josh. Molin Turns Antero. Attacks and see if I can save you a bunch of money eight, six, zero, six, zero, zero we. All Insurance Ontario, your modern boutique broker. WanNa get stronger weight and be. Healthier Popeye. Supplements. Ottawa. 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He also set aside a budget to help us with painting cleaning, staging and lighting. Get this our home sold in less than a week for well over asking price connect with blend today at Glen. Walton DOT COM. Welcome back to the show just enough time to talk a little bit about hatred. Dallas Cowboys and action last night and I flicked it on for a minute. It struck me I related spies, the cowboys I dislike them so much, and so it got made a wondering James What are the teams and athletes you most love to hate is as much as I like to hate big. D. Certainly, most would know. We listen to this program anyway the Toronto Maple leafs would be the team that I love to hate the most talented. What about you? Well I watched the Dallas game last you gotta give, Dallas a little break here. Okay. Because the quarterback now, right the. Guy went down there with the shattered. An ankle he's got he's got to be gone for the year. Isn't he st oh? Yeah Dak. Prescott Yellow. You know who? Who, who, despise don't like. Patrick. Reid had my number there. Years, ago hatch I'd had him. I'd him written down to your he? He really had my number. For some reason Brooks Kepler bugs, the shit out of me to. For the most successful now he's been hurt I. Think he's just coming back but what a runny was on right with back to back PGA's. And US Open Right. Doesn't win that much but he just wins majors to US opens in a row to PGA Championships in a row, and the funky thing is he has seven PGA tour wins. And more than half of them are majors for major championships. Unbelievable right people and but for some reason. He did an interview. you know about their, you know asking him about the how how do you? Equate your success here. But what's what's going on? How do you? What are you waiting to right? He goes play golf man you know I don't practice much. If you ever GonNa see me swing a club. It's. Because tournament not on a range right I just want this. Food Eight. I don to lie let's be honest. It's a lie. You can't be that good and just play games like that's the mark of guys like me and hackers like I don't WanNa. If I've only got X. amount of time in the course of week if I have time I, want to play around and yes, I have that same attitude. I. Don't WanNa practice I don't WanNa take lessons I wanna go play yeah that. So that's the mark of a hacker. There's no way kept his that good with a practicing and hitting a million balls. Right. So anyway, I it just I just. Jumped on the wagon there with everyone else going I hate this guy. Because most guys Steve would. Be. Look at half of it. They would say to hard work and the and a big percentage of it. If they're humble enough would say you know you need to be lucky man. You really do in the game of golf. And even in some other sports, you know there's a certain amount of luck you know that. BURKS Kaplowitz four majors. In the same in a in a small window there when he's top of the world and you go to play against him and he shoots eighty or shoot seventy-five when he's supposed to shoot sixty five, you're lucky. You're lucky that brooks went back. And you know. So there's a bunch of, but there's none of that with that guy you know none of that would that guy and I immediately hated him. That really what is going because I'm really good. You know I'm really good right and then that inspires nobody that that really makes a fan of no one people who talk about how good they are or how much money they make that inspires absolutely no one some of the other athletes that I dislike I think about conor McGregor in m a that guy just seems like I know that a lot of it is he's a human version of click bait does stuff just for attention but I think that that just Behaving like a punk constantly. And just seeing him in some of the prefight news conferences I dislike that guy a ton and couple of others might include unlike the Washington nationals because well, they are my Montreal Expos have feel like they. They stole something from me Yankees I dislike because of their pedigree, they always seem to win and Montreal grown to dislike Montreal because even though I grew up a fan of Montreal, the haves. I grew disenchanted for years and years disliked them because they always seem to win and their fan base. At such swagger they're always in your face about their championships and we never and then now they annoy me because well, they're really not relevant anymore they haven't. They haven't won a cup in what twenty, seven years, and so you know that's That's the annoying thing. There's the fans remain with swagger even though the Club itself is an also ran and they're not close to winning another Stanley Cup anytime soon so I find that annoying. In that conversation as well, and in the NFL to guys who aren't athletes, Bill Belichick and Jerry Jones they can just go away anytime bill. You don't like bill. No. Disliked the way he behaves when he deals with the media I, think the spotlight has faded from that guy's career. You know say ten years from now. He's well into retirement. He sees some of his old news conferences. I think he's GonNa probably regret that and say she's Pretty much an asshole. Mind Bill Chuck Hockey Wise. Wayne fucking brutal. That guy's gotta go. Any final thoughts today. James before we go. Stevie. I don't like to go down the gross road very often. Really Yeah I don't like doing it. You don't have to hear. Well you can do it. Yeah. That's okay. It's just so I've been. My girl by the way turns fifty today. Happy. Birthday Happy Birthday Tracy hope to meet you soon. For fifty years old. So she hasn't been to my house yet. We've been hanging out for three or four months. And so I because she she has a beautiful home. Okay. Look like looks like your house. It looks like a show home when you walk beautifully decorated gourds windows cleans kitchen. To die for. God. My place not so much TV. Okay. This is like as soon as I saw a house. I said there's no way I could ever. Invite her to my house going come on over I want you to see my house. No I'm not a SLOB, my help. My House is nice but. So No, she's got a Komo scheming ship the other day a little bit. When am I gonNA come over to your house. Okay. So I've been I've been maniacally cleaning my house Steve Okay and. The. Usual. The floors, all that I repainted it and all that stuff right? So I. Ended the bathroom Steve The other day and I'm doing the floors cleaned the toilet in the sink and all that stuff wiping down the mirrors everything Steve looks good. And I trying to get you know trying to get the little stains off around the toilet bowl stevie. Okay and there's always there's always some some leftover stuff steve on the back. Of the toilet seat. K.. Clips clips. The clips you have to pop open to unscrew the toilets. Yes. Okay. So the lead and toilet seat are one piece they come together as you. So when you pop off, you've got the raw toilet bowl. Okay. I said. GonNa pop that often in a clean. That, what's underneath these screws that are holding down the twitter bowl? and. Hold and That orange golden stuff right ten years eve I've been here and did it the other day. Okay for the first time in ten years who? Not. Taken, one for the team Happy Birthday Tracy. Is there any nicer for birthday gift then cleaning your toilet? That was the most beautiful story in fact, don't buy or anything just tell her that story and you'll save yourself some money. She'll be wildly impressed. You know what you just told by the way you basically told the story of pretty in pink the nineteen eighties movie with Molly Ringwald, and so she didn't WanNa. Get dropped off at her house. Joe's got dropped off like a few blocks away because she was embarrassed all that that her lover had lots of money and she didn't she didn't want to didn't want them to see where where they lived. So in this story Jim Your Molly. Ringwald I saw her naked. On TV show I never thought she would give it up realize yeah there's a there's a topless picture molly ringwald in some movie somewhere. Look it up. Look it up. Did you watch. My octopus teacher. Watch the trailer Oh now you gotTa Watch. Back? My didn't have time last night. Okay. Get. We'll get on it. You said, I should watch last night with my wife. It doesn't mean I'm going to. Ask. Your toilet seats if you had a choice, what are you doing? If. You give me those choices and Julie Andrew McCarthy. Let's go. Let's go to his email. Dodd gone in oblivion. Weekend at Bernie's done. Done Sealy. Now. All right. We should get out of your enjoy your night and we'll talk to you too. Goodnight everybody, we'll see. Rest a lineup. That was like all tough guys and he her he gets the I. Guess the last word on his starting line-up toward Arapaho. Rela had all his skill guys out and Hartley at his tough guys out and that was a big. Brawl right off the opening faceoff, and then finally in the intermission Tortorella trying to get plow his way through the Calgary flames entire roster to get it Bob Hartley Easy Brian McGrath in they're kind of just who could take him apart by the way. has kind of given the heisman Todarello's going crazy yellen over shoulding. Clearly wanted to fight Bob Hartley between for your. Beauty. No I liked that that doesn't make the. There's not there's not too many guys. There's not there's not too many but. But the Patrick Greed Patrick Wafting I remember not like An. Off the top of my head. Coaches. Babcock. Kind of little aloof. Little kind of putting himself as bulletproof out there. Too I guess you can take nothing away from. From a guy making a bunch of money but. The. Contract he got the fifty, fifty, million over five I think was it ten, million a year that Bobkov or five, million a year over ten? What was it gets he? I think he got a six year deal worth six million. Per Year obviously correct. Yes. Six. Yeah It was Kinda like really that guy. Is Not very nice. I never had anything bad to say about him because he was in Detroit I don't care much about Detroit one way or the other, and of course, he was team Canada's coach, and so there was some allegiance there and I just. Wasn't until he became the head coach of. The team. I hate the most. The suddenly started appearing on a grading to me and as as history would show, he clearly is grating sort of head coach based on some of his tactics with his players.

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Hour 2: Maryland Dysfunction

"Welcome to Spain. And fits the podcast and Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app and siriusxm channel eighty Sarah. Spain Jason Fitz hanging out with the ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance this year, progressive celebrate something really cool six years in over six hundred cars given to veterans giving thanks by providing independence for those who protect it. Learn more at keys to progress dot com. We're going to head over to the shell Pennzoil performance line where the big ten network stay relevant joins us. Dave. Thanks for some time. Walk us through your understanding. What's going on with the latest at Maryland at this point? Where L I saw late this afternoon the resignation of James Brady, who's the chairman of the board of regents, and they're to be that had to happen. He became the face of outta their failed. Understanding I think if the situation their inability to kind of take the temperature of what their actions were going to mean, and I thought did not comport himself, particularly well at the press conference. The the joke about reaching down to drink some chin. I think was ill time to say the least so that. Yeah. That's kind of the big development here today. And I kinda had to happen, you know, reading his resignation letter. I it seems like he felt like it had to happen as well. The answer is why you're the question. I guess is why did they get to the answer? So late and it felt like Wallace slow was making moves that were sort of surprising for a president at a school with a with a big name football team. And that was refreshing early on. He's still got shouted down. By the board of regents in the same way. We would expect anywhere else. I'm not sure how they're their threats to fire him were any weaker. Now that the PR movement pushed him to decide to go rogue and fire is do we believe now that the board of regents is gives up the fight? Well, I would say the fact that Brady resigned Jimmy is probably an indication that they have Sarah that they understand, but their attempts were misguided or miscalculated, I baby would be the better way to put it and that they just failed to kind of understand the temperature of the situation. So to me, I I again who knows I mean, this thing is taking somebody crazy turns here over the last forty eight hours far be hit for to be the one who stands up here boldly predictions. It's all over. But it seems to me that Wallace low ended up winning power struggle. It sounds like the there's some government officials. You might have had a role in it as well. There was pressure up to and including the governor's office that they should not bring back EJ Turkey. And so by feeling on it is that yes. Ultimately, the board now has backed down at their chair resigning. You know, the chair of the region. Resigning is Decatur if that we're talking to the big ten network stay relevant on the shell Pennzoil performance line. So walk me through your thoughts on some of how this has gone down because we've alluded to in this the border regions makes the recommendation, he stay a day later. He's fired. Is this an example of backlash to a PR in your mind? Or is this an example of a group of people saying, I don't care what the border region said we're going to do what we think should have been done in the first place. Well, I think those kind of go hand in hand Jason. But I do think that ultimately, I think what's really fascinating is that in this social media era in particular, you have to understand the scrutiny that every decision that you're going to make is going to come under. And what you know, it's up to you decide. Good thing about thing. You know, it kind of depends. I in this case, I happen to think it was a really good thing. That though this group can't kind of remain cloistered in the so-called ivory tower and say, well, this is our decision and we've explained it. We don't have to once. We've explained it. We're not accountable. Anyone we told you what we thought and you had your news conference. Now, it's over that's not the way that it works today. And so I think they just failed to take the temperature. Somehow, they sent you know, where they're needed a trial balloon or something to go out to get a sense. I don't know how they could have missed stood what this was going to be. I think it was obvious. What the reaction was going to be given to the tragic passing George McNair. And kinda given the details that came out in the report about some of the stuff that was happening with the program. I don't know how they could have possibly convince themselves in a group, and it is fairly large group that this was going to work and this was going to fly. Who knows what the dynamics are. Who knows who has? Maybe it's one person on the board who had to say, you know, I guess, I just don't know the group dynamics. But I think that they just horribly misread the situation. It was clear there. Wallace low from everything that he said for everything you intimated from his body language from his. Refusal to acknowledge each Dirk by name as it is conference was obviously wanted him gone. And I think he basically decided that he had to act in the best interests of the university. Ultimately, regardless of whether or not it might cost him. Of course, it ended up being I think very popular move on campus. Ultimately, you can follow Dave revson at Dave revson on Twitter. He joins us on the shell Pennzoil performance line. We're now hearing a story about one of the players who spoke to investigators about the culture saying he was assaulted and practice after durken's reinstatement by another player who supported Durkan. This to me is an ongoing story for the players that doesn't end here as it might for many in the media with Dirk and being removed because they have to move forward and this they're clearly split down the middle. Right. How do you see this working for the players going forward, especially if there's a stark line between those who wanted him to stay in those who didn't. Well, what I would hope. So is that they come together and understand that the best way that they can honor the memory of court McNair is play together as demon and to put the divisions aside. And and I do think it's important to note. Yes, there were people who really support it DJ and on that team. And I I think as as poorly as it may have come across. It is Thomas was part of what the board was trying to say, they just said it so poorly. But it's not as if this was team where everyone necessarily was looking for the coach to disappear. I mean, this is a guy who recruited really well is particularly in that DC, Maryland Virginia area. So I think there's a faction of people as evidenced by this that did like do like EJ Durkan. So yeah, I mean, I it's clear there's divisions on the team. And and again, I I would hope that they can understand that there is kind of a common cause they're not kind of. But there is. A common cause of that. Common causes is the memory of their teammate. Well, I went that being said Dave the football team. I think is actually surprised me in some in some sense in their ability to play better than I thought they would with everything going on. Is that something you'd think can continue me? The big ten is not as good as we thought. It was going to be is Maryland football going to find themselves actually having a surprisingly relevant season even with all of this going on. Well, they've got a really good chance to make a bowl game. Michigan state here this week who is a winnable game. I present some problems because Maryland is a run based off it's in Michigan state is best rush defense in the country. Then they go to Indiana that would be a winnable game as well before finishing with Ohio State and Penn State, they only need to win one more. So yeah, I mean, I, you know, they beat Texas is, you know, case. I mean, they had I think considering everything they've been through give a ton of credit to Matt Canada, the offensive coordinator took over this job really had very little relationship with these players to begin. With because he was a late add of the coaching staff just come in the spring. And that's part of why he got the job was because they could make any connection to the past group of coaches with him, but he's done a phenomenal job. And I think Matt Canada's show that you could be potential candidate for this job on a permanent basis. But yeah, I mean, they they certainly have a chance to keep on playing. You know, be fascinating to see kind of how they come out this game. I was really interesting to see what the reception would be had DJ Durkan somehow been on the sideline. Clearly that story line. Now goes by the wayside. And I I would I would think the Maryland community Mike rally around this team because it certainly nothing kids. Did you know it's nothing that these young men did they're playing for the university. And you know, it's just the it's the mistakes of adults and the adults have handled it really poorly. You mentioned the Texas when I think watching that team come together and beat Texas in week one has been one of the more powerful moments. We've seen all. A year in college football, follow him on Twitter at BT and Dave revson him from the big ten network. Dave, we always appreciates man. Thanks for coming on, my pleasure. Thanks, sarah. Take us such good work and great great opportunity to stay up on everything by follow him on Twitter, straight ahead. Timmy, Butler says he's not making a statement while JR Smith is made it perfectly clear he is next on Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio. Spain and Fitz. They said we're in a world. Now where the NBA is in just about the accident on the court. It's about everything that happens before the game after the game and everything we get to read into it. I've decided that the NBA is like worse than dating nothing is just what it seems. It's all what we think it actually means pain Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app. Siriusxm channel eighty Sarah. Spain Jason Fitz hanging out together on really special exciting night because the raiders play on Thursday night football. But as excited as we offer that we'll get back to that later. Sara, there's some MBA drama going on. And look nothing has ever just what it is. So Jimmy Butler. Can't just miss a game. When Jimmy Butler MRs game. It's a statement. And I'm not sure that that's wrong. Because you think about how early we are in the NBA season Jimmy Butler decides his body sore. He needs a break. Are you buying it? I'm not buying it. Because it's a couple of games into the season. And even if you're someone who missed a lot of training camp and preseason because you were sitting out it still doesn't make sense, particularly if you're trying to appeal to the other teams pocketbooks, right? Give me a max deal offer up the best for me. So I can get back out of here. But do keep in mind that after six games I am unable to play because I am too sewer, right? It would not be believable except for. We know that there's all this conversation about trading him. And it was heating up around the Sixers at the time that this I broke I'm so he can tell Rachel Nichols. It was just his body hurting. And then he wasn't sitting out to try to get traded. But it's just the latest move in the playbook. He's been following since the beginning say you wanna get traded shop at practice and throw a giant fit to draw more attention to it say, you're just doing it. Because you love the game so much need to be somewhere where people respect how much you love it. And take advantage of how much you love it and then start sitting and not being available. He's following the playbook perfectly. It's just a matter of whether it's going to result with getting what he wants, which is the hell out of Minnesota. Well, that's that's the moment. Where look I is much as we want to try and always sign some sort of drama to the NBA and understand that there is some Jaama that comes to the collection of action in this situation. This isn't just about one game. This isn't about one day. This is about. Everything we've seen so far. And it would be stunning to think that when you are less than a tenth of the way through the season. When you're you're not even you are in the baby steps, we're so early in the season that we're actually saying you can't accept the results were seeing because that won't be a pattern throughout the course of the season. Right. Like people are saying the nuggets aren't really going to be a great team. They're just six in one right now. That's how early we are. And your body already needs a break that doesn't make any sense when you combine it with the other things that's when it becomes a problem. And look this is part of what the Timberwolves timber wolves. They're setting themselves up for if they're not going to deal him for a king's ransom. Then they're going to have to deal with him throughout the course of the season. Well, and listen, I was a big fan of Jimmy Butler when he was here in Chicago. I still am a fan of aspects of him. It's got a really fun personality. He's very outgoing. He's funny. He's clever, but there's a part of him. And we've been told by those who are in the locker room with him with the bulls. And when he got to the timber wolves. That he changed after that max deal started making friends with all these Hollywood types, and is very much about being the guy because he wasn't the guy in college. He wasn't the guy when he was drafted. Now, he's a max player and he's earned it, and he's put in the work for it. And that's impressive. But the guy he is now is someone who I wouldn't put it past at all to be doing some of this solely just to see his name leading the headlines on every ESPN show. It's flattering to have everyone say when a big deal it is when you want to sit out a game. And so if that's a part of the playbook to get out of there, and it just adds to the drama and intrigue surrounding him. I'm not surprised if he's kind of getting a rise out of telling Rachel Nichols Ono. I'm not sitting out and then winking at somebody else when they say he is which makes so much stick incense. But then if you're the GM of another team, aren't you looking at that and say, no, I don't want to deal with that. Like, I mean, there's just a level of high maintenance that I just the drama behind it. I don't want to take it on. I mean, there's so many bigger. Divas and more drama and worse. They you. We've seen in sports. If you are good enough people will deal with it. That is a thousand percent true. Now the opposite of being good enough as the Cavs. The Cavs are obviously not good enough. And at this point JR Smith wants out of Cleveland, and that's just sort of. It's it's laughable to me because everybody should want out of Cleveland. Right. Like, there's just nothing there. And I don't mean the city. I mean the Cavs. When you look at what the Cavs are going to be up against this year. There is not a reason for hope of I I can't look at the Cavs. And find some reason where JR Smith can say it's worth sticking around for this. So now when you're stuck talking about the fact that he feels underappreciated on a team. That's one in six mean. Good lord. Why would he want to stay? Yeah. I mean when you're not getting the playing time you want and the team is terrible. So you're sitting I'm not even valuable to a team that's garbage that that stings, especially if you've been meaningful enough, even if you're meaningful. Because you're LeBron adjacent. Right. You been in important games. Now, you're in games that mean nothing, and you're not playing now the problem for JR is that you can't make public request for a trade. If you remember Eric Bledsoe tweeted last year. I don't wanna be here got fined ten grand. But the good news for him. Is he wasn't a longer there? Right. And this is not worked out the same way yet for JR. He's not in the plane rotation, but he's still on the roster and they've fired their coats. They've are having trouble deciding whether or not Larry drew is worth them giving him more money or restructuring his contract. So right now, they haven't even really technically been able to name him the interim head coach he's just called the voice of the team right now. That's how dysfunctional things are for Cleveland. So well JR Smith is usually the one adding to the drama in this case, he is absolutely doing that. You kind of understand if he's like, you know, what two more years here. No, thank you. And what's interesting when you talk about the head coaching situation when you've got an. Interim coach it's like, nah, no. I'm good like unless you give me more money more security, and you know, some reason to want this coaching job. I'm fine. How often do we hear in the NFL, particularly when jobs go terrible. And we say, well, you know, anyone ever want to coach it, and every athlete comes back and says, of course, there's only thirty two teams, right? There's such a limited number of jobs. And now you've got an interim coach in Cleveland that same, you know, right on the reason for that is and we talked to Bobby marks about this last night because he's not one of those up and comers. I need my name out there. I'm making pennies kind of guys he's making a million dollars. He's a known quantity. And he's like if I'm not worth it free to restructure and give me a little bit better deal to take on the head coaching gig six games into the season. When I'm basically doing an entire year of this job. Then maybe I don't need to have it, especially if it's in Cleveland with the Cavs team doesn't have LeBron James like how much of my really going to gain in anything. By just sucking it up and doing the job for less than what it serves a. So if you're JR Smith, you're looking at a situation where you've been as much as we can say, he's been the side kicked. Lebron? He's been a valuable player in the NBA, Ken continue. I think to contribute at a level that can give some valued minutes to a team that needs him. I think there is some some opportunity for him to contribute in the NBA. And instead he's sitting and he's sitting in a team that is obviously tanking, but obviously going to try and find its us, and they don't even know what their coach situations. Look like, I mean, you add all these pieces together. And there's no way for TR Smith to get out of the way, it feels like the Cavs are going to make JR Smith collateral damage in the process. Well, and again, I'm not advocating for what dare Smith is doing which is basically get me out of here. You know? I don't wanna be here. They don't want me. So great. I'm not advocating for that. Sometimes you're just in bad situation, you sign up for a contract knowing full well that LeBron might leave you want that money you stick around and you deal with it. If you're not in the coaches good graces, if he doesn't wanna play on the other hand, it's hard at any time to wish for someone to be mired in unhappiness and a bad situation. And if they don't really need him, then they should trade him. Well, Jimmy Butler has been sore any needs to miss time. You know, what Sara he wouldn't be. So if you had some theraworx brought to you by theraworx relief to experience relief from muscle cramps and feet, use theraworx relief. Fast acting foam get their works relief today in the pain relief. I'll at your local pharmacy, or you know, where to get theraworx relief dot com. Dominic find a sounder that just says reach. Terrible. That will we'll just deal from Libertad and make it a fine. Every time. There's this. That was a spectacular pay the fine. Well that he met of yours. That's fair straight ahead of fifty point night for Derrick rose had people recounting his recent path. But was the whole story told next Spain in Fitz on the ESPN radio Spain and fits it was an emotional night for Derrick rose, it was an emotional night. For a lot of people around the NBA is they watched his triumphant game. You just heard it there over fifty points. Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app. Siriusxm channel eighty Sarah Spain and Jason Fitz Derrick rose just had one of those nights that sort of reminded everybody of how good Derrick rose can be Sarah. And in that moment, it creates this greats. The story it creates great conversation and a lot of people go to Twitter and and wanna react on. I think a lot of athletes wanna react in that moment because they they see their own mortality, and they see, you know, sort of that moment when you're no longer playing as well because of age or injury in tech rose is gone through both. And and. You see somebody like that climb up and play the way he played it suddenly becomes a massive story. But the story can't always be told in just those small sentences on Twitter can't be told without another piece of Derrick rose, and that's the more difficult part of the conversation because we forget. And some people forget that he's in the middle of an appeal right now on a sexual assault investigation accusation, he's going through the process, and it's not a process it's over. So it becomes interesting in difficult to cover an athlete having a great night without covering all the pieces of that athletes life one hundred percent agree. And meantime, wrote a great piece about this couple of years ago on tight rekindle, and she basically tackled that very question, which is do we need to every time someone who has a history. Like, this does something great. Do we need go back and revisit it? Do we need to bring it up and her eventual answer was no we don't always have to. But with Derrick rose first of all it's still currently going on. And Secondly, the difference to me is that when people are equating what he quote unquote went through in the trial with his knee injuries. That's when somebody needs to speak up, and that's what happened. The the broadcast or at the end of the game very hastily with time running out said, you know, I'm not a judge, and I'm not a jury. But as far as I know is it been convicted anything, and I'll tell you what he is a hard worker and a guy who tries hard. And the problem is is that you don't have enough time to accurately. Give context of what you're speaking about. And you sound like you're brushing under the rug. What are some very serious accusations and just combining them into one big pile of what he went through. It's kind of like when we say that a distraction could be anything from having a gay teammate to somebody who murdered someone. Right. It's it's it needs context. And so with Derrick rose if you wanna just celebrate his fifty points. That's fine. But there are going to be some people who when they see Derrick rose, and they see him being slaughtered all over by fellow players, and by broadcasters for this all this guy has been through so much. He deserved it. They might want to have a voice in just speak up and say, I'm uncomfortable with this. And here's why and that's to be allowed. It's a such a difficult piece of sports talk. Sometimes to have a nuanced conversation. And this is a difficult one for me, and it's difficult one. Because what you what we've seen from Derrick rose in for anybody. That doesn't know he was he's accused he was accused of going in and with two other friends was accused of gang rate going in to an apartment and essentially raping somebody that was at the time sexually assaulting somebody that wasn't able to give consent. And if you read the the pieces that have been written about the trial. It's it's a hard read to to wrap my head around for me, personally the. Side of it. That's hard for me, though, is that the jury came back and decided he's not liable in the civil suit. And that's what's being appealed right now in that appeal will be heard in a couple of weeks. So it's difficult for me, Sarah, when somebody has been found as as sort of not liable in the situation, a jury of their peers came back and said, hey, there's nothing here that that we can convict on where does that draw the line because it that's different than a guilty plea that's different than being found guilty of something. That's even it's even harder for me if he'd been found innocent in a criminal situation, but there was still civil charges pending have been found not liable in a civil situation makes it difficult for me to figure out how to quantify all together. Yeah. I think it's hard to because everyone would agree that it's terrible. If someone is innocent and their name is dragged through the mud. It's terrible. If someone is falsely accused of something the problem is the historical precedent for domestic violence and sexual assault. Cases is that there is no accountability for guilt that even in cases where someone is guilty. They are very likely to be prosecuted in they are very likely to serve any time or be punished in any way that doesn't mean that it makes it okay for someone innocent to have his name dragged through the mud, but it does mean that if we are constantly left with this uncomfortable dissatisfied feeling when we hear that someone is found not liable or cleared, but not found not guilty because somebody wasn't able to some somebody a witness decided not to cooperate anymore because she was getting death threats or because we're concerned about the manners that that that the prosecutors or sorry the defense attorneys used in the case that that means that that person gets to. Walk free and go do their job and beat cheered on by people in score fifty and be heralded for his greatness. But that doesn't mean that everybody needs to accept that. As the end all be all. And while I understand that it seems unfair to bring it up during a highlight that appeal is two weeks away. And this is a moment. When a lot of people were watching him be praised in a way that felt very uncomfortable to those who first of all know that there's a case going on. But beyond that, listen to him say, he doesn't know what consent is and then when asked whether he and the two other men had discussed sex as the reason for going to her house answered with no. But we men you can assume and then clarified. I said we men you can assume like we're leaving over to someone's house at one AM. There's nothing to talk about the things you said about himself the tactics that were used to try to dredge up the sexual history of the accuser to try to discredit her. Those are so common. That when we find out that he's found not liable and that the jury members were all taking photos with him afterwards. And that the judge was wishing him. Good luck in his games that doesn't leave us feeling like this has been decided like we know anything more about what really happened that night. So that's why I think it's okay. If some people just want to be honest with how uncomfortable they were watching everybody cheer for him. It doesn't mean that we are saying we know that he's a rapist. It means that we are uncomfortable with just saying it's behind us and moving up done. I think that's a fair. Fair piece. You're listening Spain and Fitz on the ESPN radio. Sarahspain Jason Fitz. I think that's a really fair fair piece of this that we have to keep in mind. You know, me I always try and live by this my shoes on the other foot game. That's how I live so much in my life. And this is one of those rare opportunity or instances, I should say where feel like both sides of that are a loss from me because if I had been falsely accused, and this was being judged up on a great night for me. I would be just I would be livid. But then again, if somebody I love to have been. Sexually assaulted and somebody got away with it. And it wasn't even being referenced. I would be livid. So like it just feels like such a difficult situation because so often life we wanna make things especially in sports. Doc, it's great to have. Hey, I'm gonna take the side. You take that side. Let's debate it. Let's argue it. That's so much of what you know, this this career is about these things require more gray area and more nuance. And I think that's part of part of what happens here to to the point of how it should be covered. Though. Let's do some straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless. Best phones best that works, no contracts. Dan, Libertad was brilliant on this. I wanted to within had say this is the question. I ask you though, the I'm I am talking right now too largely male voices male ears male thoughts. That's is he's largely what I'm talking about. Now, and many of them might argue the thing that you're arguing about, but I your perspective on this is not the one I'm interested in. I'm not interested in our perspective on this one. I'm interested in how a woman would say. Say that should go as a journalist. How how is how does someone else feel that one should be covered because it's very easy for the men in the audience to get mad at me for asking question that I don't have the answer to. But the idea that men are the ones who have the answer to this one is funny. That's straight talk straight talk wireless nationwide. Coverage on America's largest most bendable for LT networks where we're going to say, sir. I was gonna say we'll Cain was talking about this and saying he doesn't believe that what your chromosomes are give you any more of a right or understanding of this issue. And I went on his show. And I said simply I agree with him. There are plenty of men that are well equipped to speak on this and completely educated and informed way. But if you're saying, it's merely a professional responsibility to speak on it. And it can be done by anyone. I would simply say that the experiences of a woman, and the likelihood that she has at some time delved pretty deep into the nuances of these kind of situations is higher than the like. Hood of the average male who works in sports having dived deep into understanding, the intricacies of sexual assault in domestic violence cases. And that is the only reason why I would say that it can be useful to have a woman's perspective. And also because optics wise a whole bunch of dudes talking about this without a woman's voice. Also, never really comes across as really telling the story completely even if that's fair or not. Well, that's what we try and do on the show is how the nuance conversations at a woman. Well, that's. In the process. I think hopefully, it makes everybody a little bit smarter gives everybody little bit more perspective. ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance. Straight ahead. Our weekly non to the pot, and how an athlete can be seen as an artist next on Spain. And fits Spain and Fitz and Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app. Siriusxm channel eighty Sarah. Spain Jason Fitz hanging out or presented by progressive insurance. And sarah. You are not only co host extraordinaire of the show, but you are also podcast host extraordinaire lucky and we like to we like to give the podcast shutout with some of the greatness because let's face it. You have maybe the most diverse agglomeration intelligent guest list of any of the podcasts on it is very eclectic. I've had some very interesting people of late and really good ones coming up. I just had a Taryn Kilim former SNL around bunch of stuff a bunch of movies and TV now, Rebecca Lobo and coming up Brian Koppelman who created billions that'll be a good one. But had a director on this week, Gabe Polsky, and he just released new documentary called in search of greatness, and they send it to me and said, hey, you wanna have Mon you wanna watch us. And I thought just going to be another like sports movie talking about great athletes, but it's totally different. First of all it featured heavily Wayne Gretzky, Jerry Rice and Palay in really extensive interviews kind of talking about stuff that they've never touched on before. And it. Talked a lot about what we can discover from some of the greatest of all time, and how they were different rocky Marciano who had a really short reach this famous soccer player named Garrincha who is actually born with a crooked spine and knees that face different directions and left leg a couple inches shorter. Why was he so great? What did it do for his game? What did it do for rocky Marciano fighting style for them to be built like that? And he talked to Gretzky about how he used to sit and watch hockey games with his eyes on the screen and have a piece of paper, but never look down at it. And just trace the path of the puck on paper through the course of the game every single night every single game. And they had these weird intricate ways of preparing themselves and for training, and one of the things that gave Polsky, and I talked about in the podcast is this idea of athlete as artists and the greatest of them are not just good at the sport. But they change the way we play it and that our desire, and maybe coaches preference to keep their soldiers in line and not have. Fall out of step is that they stripped them of the creativity that makes them great. And this is Gabe talking about for example. Odell Beckham junior. Here's this week's not to the pod. Guys, an artist. He's as the reason why people spend money you get like that. What do you have who's who's going to the stadium to see coaches? Nobody right. Okay. They're going to see old outback because he's an artist. And so you have to create that, you know, that these guys as they might think a little bit differently and not that they're not trying to be prima donnas. They need a little bit of space, and they need somebody who can help their to them and sort of get the most out of it. You know, they're there. And so if you try and control a guy like that, you're you're here's destroying football for more. Please subscribe to that's when she said with Sarah Spain on the ESPN app apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. And what was interesting to me about that. Is that how often we look at guys that are outliers like Odell Beckham junior, and we do want to attack them and chase them out for what makes them different Terrel Owens, right guys like that? And maybe we're just so incapable of understanding greatness outside of the norm outset like coloring outside the lines. Well, and you have to think about ego, and so much of this my mind's eye because you know, I think he made a great point goes to the stadium to see coaches, but coaches, you know, in their minds, they get hired to bring in a certain group of players and to run a certain system, a certain way, and one of the things that I think is always baffling to me is when you see a coach that's incapable of saying. Okay, now, I have a mobile quarterback. So I wanna use that. Now. I have a pocket, right? I wanna use that. And it seems like no, no, no, no. I can only cook with the ingredients that I'm given. And when you think about great creativity. Whatever maybe I'll go back to when you're making a record in Nashville or. New York or LA producers job is really to hire the right guys in the room. And then let each of those guys sort of thing. Housing. Yes. Of course, guys and gals do their thing. And that's that's one of the great things. You have to be given us some sort of space to be creative. And that's how great records and made a predator producer doesn't sit there and tell you know, piano player what to play. They just hire a piano player. They believe in. And then they say, okay. Here's my vision. Do your thing. And I think there could be more of that with certain especially when you're talking about coaching allowing guys to be creative and utilize their talents to see it the way they see it is something that's got to be difficult to do. But should be necessary. Yeah. What's difficult and gave an I talk about this on the podcast is if your coach and you're teaching say youth sports, not like not like toddlers or like five or six year olds where you can barely have them know which direction they're going in and kick the soccer ball towards the right goal. But a little bit older than that. Where do you draw the line between this kid is not doing the drills? He's over doing his own thing that doesn't help the team, and it doesn't allow me to keep control of my of of everybody else. And saying maybe that kids onto something right? Because like Wayne Gretzky is a perfect example. He didn't do everything as expected, but the stats back him up. You cannot in any way say whatever Wayne Gretzky was doing was wrong when he just is he obliterates anyone anywhere anywhere near him. Right. But where do you draw the line? I think there has to be some focus on what you're trying to coach them what you're trying to bring out of your players, right? Like if the focus is on fundamentals fundamentals need to happen. No matter how gifted and create if you are right. So if technique case that needs to be there. Right. So you get once you have that that technique in that basin. And it's like, hey, this is our launching pad. This is this is where everything starts from. There becomes a really a matter of trusting athletes in general to to be able to to do something special and not just run the place that you necessarily would the same play wouldn't run for a guy. That's Andrew Hawkins size. That would for guy. That's Tara Lohan size like the it's so different. You have to be able to. The guy that you're using. And then the creative would use them. I just think that's asking a lot of a coach to come in and manage personalities that. Well, I think we would need coaches that we always talk about how quarterbacks aren't special anymore in so many ways, I wonder if we have enough coaches that are special enough, and you have really humble enough to do that. Right. And that's so much of it right is how do you get the most out of the people that you have versus just a system that you're gonna plug and play. David Epstein is in the documentary. And he wrote this great book about like jeans or their genes for greatness and studied that and he talked about this person who said that the defining characteristic of a great person at anything is a rage to master and ability to learn quickly. So the rage to master is basically just are you obsessed enough with this thing that you wanna do that you will spend all of your time doing and Wayne Gretzky talked about friends invite into the movies. His parents would say go to the movies go, and he'd say, no, I would rather keep playing hockey. Right. So you have to be obsessive and you have to learn quickly. So. So if we try to actually come together with some sort of thesis on what makes someone great if you tried to study all of the greatest people at each of their disciplines, what are the through lines? And that's what's so interesting about the movie and the conversation is there really aren't like Tom Brady at the combine. Right. That's the greatest football player ever. Marciano with his reach like I mentioned before one of the things they studied was the German soccer team. And they found the biggest difference between the top level German like World Cup players and one level below the only difference. They can find is that the top level players had more free recreational open range playtime when they were coming up. They played in the streets and fields and stuff. They were more likely to have had that in their past than just structured training. And that's maybe like a look into what we're doing. We're driving out creativity by structuring it, and we're looking at analytics since stats instead of at the intangibles, I still think to the most difficult part of it is you're asking a coach in general, no matter the sport is to look at each individual person and say, okay, what does this person thrive on because I think you can agree that Odell Beckham junior, obviously thrives on creativity ally. Doesn't right? So how do you how do you allow one to have it without expecting the other to have it to? I mean, that's a it's a really weird piece of it. In search of greatness comes out tomorrow, December second be sure to check it out. And of course checkout. Sarah's pod all the time because frankly, your super I wouldn't Jiri state ahead. Not a great game on paper between the raiders Niners tonight. That's what they tell me. But we give you a reason to watch. Plus a reason to stay away from Packers patriots next. Thanks for listening to the Spain and Fitz podcast listened to the show six to nine PM eastern on ESPN radio and subscribe to the podcast on the ESPN app. Spain and Fitz.

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Getting Organized

PTI

13:29 min | 8 months ago

Getting Organized

"We'll on this is day. Three of the great experiment me and the Attic Arizona. Let us start with the NFL draft. There was some sort of subcommittee vote among general managers that went six to one against holding the NFL draft. You know at the regularly scheduled time despite that the League says it's going to go ahead with the draft April Twenty Third April Twenty Fourth April twenty fifth. Some general managers are complaining. They can't get hands on with the players and some in cities like San Francisco and New York. They can't even get into their offices. Are you okay if the NFL draft goes on as scheduled? Tony I think I am and I don't real strong feelings is gonNA lead to some crazy. You know screaming rant or take on this. I understand those general managers. Look these are the most competitive people and they want to maximize their franchises situation. Their own quite frankly when it comes to this draft which is it was all consuming for them. Tony it is all consuming but I understand. The League is well. You know we've got this this this date we can do this. You can do this from your home with with phones. We might have to move around it with physical exams to some extent. But don't tell me that psychological profiling is why we shouldn't have the draft April. Twenty three four five so Tony. I think I'm with the League on this. What about you? I'm stronger with the League on this? I've absolutely stronger with it. It's not going to be in a big city anymore. It's not going to be in Las Vegas. It's not going to be around a big crowd. If you can observe the regular social distancing in your office or in your home one guy making the picks then make the picks. My general managers get paid a tremendous amount of money. I don't WanNa hear this. You've studied tape on these people. You got three years of tape. Watch the tape. Do Your job a milk. Pick make the pick res- only I think that this will weed out the stupider general manager. I'm not going to disagree with you. There and Tony. We know when they have these kids in for second and third and fourth you know Situa- sitting they come up with the dumbest things in the world including these psychological profiles. We know some general managers. Tony they WANNA bring players in for those third and fourth and another workout and I look. It's probably excessive. And in this day and time given the context in which we are living in operating now again my first instinct is to say the general managers shut up and get over yourselves world. Is it a different place? Lettuces on this is the way this is the way it used to be. This is how the draft was before it got glitzy. This is why general managers get paid money. I'll tell you something else if I'm the NFL. I WANNA do this. I have already owned March with free agency and I WANNA own April with the draft on the only show in town. I am not giving this up with on the NFL. I'm not doing it as long as I follow protocol. I'm not going to give it up. No Tony I think let's move for second back to another follow up for the Summer Olympics. Which of course have been postponed to twenty twenty one but no specific date has been set could be spring. Which would of course conflict with the usual. Nba Schedule So tony. How important is it to the Olympics you think and the League for the NBA players who've now competed in this thing since one thousand nine hundred ninety two to compete in the Summer Olympics? Okay think you and I may disagree on this. I think that everything that the NBA wanted to prove has been proven and like the NHL which has gotten out of the business. I think the NBA can get. Outta the Olympic business now. I would prefer having college kids. And maybe recently retired pros. I mean my feeling about the Olympics is the Olympics does not need the NBA. Admiral the Olympics is twelve ring circus. They put swimming on. They put gymnastics on the. Nba's best fine. But I don't think that they need it and if it's me I'm going to back away if I'm the NBA. No you're wrong. You're wrong and I could. I could talk you into this if I was sitting with you. I've talked to before the end of the segment. Tony the explosion of basketball globally then coincide with nineteen ninety-two. It's because of one thousand nine hundred ninety two and then nineteen ninety-six and then two thousand and when you look all over the world these players these world players the Luke dodges just talked to him for Thursday. Dick Talk to dirk who we know had talked to and they will tell you the impact of the professional NBA. Whatever you call it the best players in the world have to play in this and Tony. Part of the twelve ring circus you talked about. That is the summer Olympics the biggest tents and the most people under the biggest tent go with the NBA go with Olympic basketball. So whether it's Brazil I'm not eastern Europe or Africa. Tony the layers in the world have to play. I don't agree with that. I think it's possible that the NBA needs this more than the Olympics does. But when you talk about rings we know what rings are when you talk about rings. It's not the Olympic rings. Nba Championships. I to me as drinking. I'll speak for American players. Nba American players care much more about winning the NBA title than they do about Olympics. Charles Barkley has no rings. We love him dearly but he's got an Olympic gold medal. I don't think it matters from golfers. I don't think it matters for ten. Tennis players want to win Wimbledon. Golfers want to win the masters. I understand your point that it was you know it validated basketball and a lot of levels. I just don't think it's necessary anymore. That's all by the way. Hold on let me make this one last point. Charles Barkley participated on the greatest team ever assembled in any time world and we were there. We watched it from that point on. I understand but from that point on. I don't think they had to do with because they've proved the point. Let's go baseball for second. Jeff Passan of ESPN says that Major League Baseball wants to announce that depending on how long the season goes. We don't even know when it's going to start. But however many games they can get in the playoffs because it could be mid to late. November could be later than that. The playoffs will be held playoffs and the world series will be held at neutral sites warm weather neutral sites. I know how I feel about this wilpon. How do you feel about it? I hate it and I am not going to be of any industry or its employees in this case players managers whomever staff members. I'm not going to be critical of anybody trying to get paid a full salary. That's to be against that is just has to be dismissed. So I'm not against that but Tony you also dismissing your patrons if you're baseball and you say let's stays in the neutral citing. Scott. Boris or some. Few people. Think it's a good idea. No and I'm Tony. I hope hope that baseball could be played most of the summer. And we're talking mid June all the way through and you can squeeze it into early November because we've seen it because they did it in Chicago and Cleveland November. First and second I think so it could be done but Tony No. I don't I don't WanNa see baseball. Just be so self indulgent. They say oh we have to have one hundred sixty two game season. No you don't. These are extraordinarily times. Make an exception understand the world and the place you were operating in now. So I'm glad you said make an exception on a number of games if they go way to go one hundred one hundred twenty. I'm okay. I don't think they have two hundred sixty two but I understand this and I understand this this year and this year only. I don't want to see this happen on a regular basis. I will tell you Mike and I know you feel this way. Because you went to games in Wrigley when the cubs were in the World Series. I got to go to game three last year with the Washington nationals. I would never have gotten that if someplace else. I don't want to be a corporate event like the Super Bowl. I think that fan stay with you for one hundred sixty two games and you need to reward their patients and their loyalty by putting it in your home. Stadium have been to Chicago and New York and to Cleveland and to Boston. And it's rugged in the winter it's rugged for the World Series Games four games five game six. We've been to those but fans WanNa go this year. Okay but not in the future might not in the future. Tony I just even this year I mean it would seem you could conform again. I don't I understand. Money and baseball has a larger percentage. I think of the gate a going into the revenue then probably football and basketball but tony there ought to be. I don't WANNA say eighty games if they can get in even one hundred ten one hundred plus games. Kennedy's these Games Unity's where people support their teams and generally. I believe that this year I think is the exception to all rules at this point. All right let's take a break. Mr Tony is back with the happy's boys and girls were putting on the glasses to read happy thirty four birthday Karl Lowering. Lowry's the guard. Toronto kept when they traded Demar to Rosena San Antonio for one season rental of Kawhi Leonard last year that resulted in an NBA championship. The fact that Toronto is the number two seed in the east this year without Kawhi is a tribute to lowry into Pasco Seattle lower. He's averaging nearly twenty points and eight assists. Seattle is averaging almost twenty four points a game how would it be if the NBA restarts with the play offs and lowering the raptors played the nets with the possibility will bond that? Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant would be cleared to play. Wouldn't allow in Irving be a very physical Nachum. Tony let me. Just say about lowery. I mean he has been so elevated by Toronto winning that championship and the way he came out this year to lead. The defense of that championship is so impressive. I I love Kyle lowry. He can control the game which is still underrated an underrated skill in the NBA controlling. Get particularly at the end and in spring. I like him to do happy anniversary. Wayne Gretzky on this day. Thirty eight years ago. The great one became the first hockey player. Ever total two hundred points in one season. Gretzky still the only one to do it and did three other times nowadays. It's a big accomplishment to score one hundred points in one season on the same week twenty six years ago. Gretzky scored is eight hundred. Second goal to pass Gordy Howe for the all time leading goal scored so this is a great week. For Gretzky people talk about the possibility of Alexander Ovechkin overtaking Gretzky most goals scored. But nobody in his right mind thinks it. Ovechkin is the all around score or player that Gretzky was telling you know it annoys me when people put any other player into the same paragraph as Wayne Gretzky. I mean you got how Rashard or Ovechkin find the closest guy. The closest he's not all the way there is la- Mu who had one hundred ninety nine point two wants Tony. In nineteen eighty nine season lemieux. Would even lemieux is not with Gretzky people stop SIC Gretzky and then by your head what he said happy trails. Ob topping the twenty two year old Sophomore Dayton has declared his intention to leave college and into the NBA draft topping lead Dayton to a spectacular twenty nine and two season and the number three ranking in the country topping average twenty point seven and a half rebounds was named the College Player of the year. In what is generally considered a week draft? The six nine forward could find himself a candidate. As a top five pick. Dayton season was so great that they're coach. Anthony Grant was named. Ap Coach of the year top and lead Dayton to its finest season. Get this since nineteen sixty seven when the flyers made the final foreign lost to Ucla the championship game. And he's Dayton's first of all American Mike since Jim Paxson one thousand nine hundred seventy nine. Yeah Tony I know people have him going like this lowest number nine. I'm like why great wing players with that kind of size. You look at of course. Lebron Kawai Leonard Paul George Wing Players Tony Dominate. This league all court wing players with complete games and he. He looks like he could be one of them agree. I mean what a great season for Dayton Dayton. Come off that Don may was done made the star those Dayton teams played against Ucla right historic. Johnny May in the late sixties yet Donnie. Now you're right. I know you had a front court seat to that. Tony all right. That is it's fans we're done for the day.

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Episode 304 - More Vigilante Reporting From West Hollywood!

Inappropriate Earl

57:27 min | 4 months ago

Episode 304 - More Vigilante Reporting From West Hollywood!

"All right welcome to an impromptu, an appropriate early Monday night eleven thirty two I was. Planning on doing a podcast tomorrow at four PM with a great Stuart Thomson. By his new comedy. Album Dandy man out now. I tunes Amazon spotify. And I'm still doing that podcast. And then Friday Kinda Day. I-. Episode I'm having Fi fi dash on. Fee was on my podcast before. Has Joe Darsch? I don't think I've ever had. The same person on. Twice. As a different sex, so we're going to talk about that Friday but. Me and Chandler were once again going to go get yogurt. And we witnessed a a three on one brawl, including a large female. Think Clean Kong for you wrestling fans? She was about that size. And Chandler you WanNa, you're better at the describing things by the way watch holy-moly Thursday. Night's Emmy nominated. She writes it. You listen to it wriggle and Joe Tessa tour, PSI, it. What did you see any criminal justice system? Crimes Bait crimes and offenses are considered especially heinous in west. Hollywood these DEDICA-. Detectives who investigate these vicious felonies are members of an elite squad. Notice the Channel Earl Unit. These are their stories. Stunt INTERNA. I mean I. Don't know about your voice overs, but Is, this is a rough cut real rough does he knew this going to be the opening from now on our vigilante episodes? So. I am psychic I. Don't know if I've said this on this podcast before I. Think I have but. I get a lot of cravings for late night yogurt from down the street of her house, especially yogurt in West Hollywood. Actually the only yogurt in West Hollywood, but nonetheless we love it there. Every time we leave the house I say Earl. Why don't you take your phone or I'll take mine. And when he says no, and we don't take her phones I always say what if something what if a crime happened and he goes. Nothing's going to happen. That's what happened tonight. I said show tiger phones. Earl said no I said. What if we see a fight? He said nothing's going to happen. We Lever House. We're walking towards the bank. It's not even a block down the street. People. It's about eleven seventeen I would say cool breeze. Both have on all saints. Jean Jackets, but not too hot, not too cold. Analysis Sprinkler by the House. Is just watering the dirt? And I make a comment about how the Hoa fees are being wasted on my joy fees. EARLS because I. Don't pay them he does. He's daddy man in his house. I pay for some things. I digress, We start walking down the streets a slight decline. We get towards Santa Monica Boulevard and we see a scuffle. I would say Two people are arguing one across the street in front of the US bank where we're headed the other right in front of us on the street. We. Hear them, say you kick ass, bitch, but not in a nice way in a derogatory way I personally thought he said you thick asks Dick, but earl was right. He did say once we got closer, we realized. It was a group of people yelling at an one person on the other side stream. As we get about twenty close. A. I will not assume. Ethnicity or race but it. Might be a Mexican man, maybe about six foot. Maybe Latina. Let's not be completely inaccurate Charged across the street with bleach, blonde just Justin, Timberlake, circa, two thousand hair and He is now yelling at this. Tall female and her two friends. And Then, he her. And her friends are like hell. No, you ain't hitting the lady and. They all begin beating the shit out of him. Now it's a pretty even fight at first because the girl although you should never hit a lady. Unless. You are another lady in its Rhonda any. It's all fine. Ronda Rousey. The Guy Hitting. The girl that was that was even but when the other two guys got involved. Share way. Yes, she outweighed and Fisher forty pounds. They're both definitely same height though. He had her almost choke chokehold. Would you say earl? Since we're both M M M, a fans I would say. He kind of had her a adarsh choke. Where he was! In front of her, but choking her almost in a reverse headlock. Yeah, she's a very I would say no joking. Pounds this issues about six. My Heart. She's about your size, but about my side definitely take care of herself. Six two hundred. He was I would say six feet one sixty. No muscle tone so I would assume. Strong is definitely an even fide so even if he was trying to choke her out, I don't know if he was strong enough to do it, so the scuffle goes on for about two minutes and I mean it's a scuffle like they're like moving around hit walls and stuff hitting the. And then finally he's got her in the cold. The two friends to start wailing on him. to get him off her obviously, and that's when. I do okay and fights growing up. I've watched him a lot, but like it was one of those moments when Alex early like we got to like. Try to break them up because either. He's going to choker out or. Those two friends are going to kill him the way they start hitting him. They? Would have re seriously injured him, and then they would've been in trouble when they didn't even start it. You know what I mean with the two guys one He's a loose cannon worse and it wouldn't hurt you like he was not. He was very effeminate. I don't think he could do much damage to you. The other guy was probably my size, maybe even. A little taller and probably won't. He had dark and baggy clothes on I'd say one ninety Ash, but he looked like he could do some damage though. was basically a three on one beat down. Yeah, so they started so it it then became reverse, and they were beating the shout him. And they were all pretty intoxicated which It definitely doesn't let your sense of when to stop. It doesn't your senses are kind. What am I looking for? deterred. Dulled. Think all four were on drugs and yeah. I'm pretty sure they were from some Intel. We gathered later. The until I am telling us. They were on drugs. Girl. At one point came up to me and said Hey, just on the dl ideal throughout like sweet. I don't know why people tell us stuff like that. When we're like the most straight edge, people ever, so it was mayhem on the streets so. It's still. Still not over obser- right now. So I'm yelling. Hey, guys, cut it out, guys stop. I'm being like the sixth grader watching the two eighth graders fight right now. I'm like guys. Stop Stop. I'm five three and one thirty I ain't GONNA do shit. Earl goes over and kind of break some up. He doesn't necessarily touch them. Because obviously he doesn't want to get an elbow to the face, but he does kinda mediate. To get it to stop. that's when like Fook, everyone at the canteen on Santa Monica because they all. Every single time something happens in early I will whether it's a homeless person that need help or a girl about to get attacked. They all just stand there. What everyone to stand the watches or films with their phone? No one gets involved to be a good Samaritan and help and I fucking hate that shit because literally every time Irwin. I stopped to help someone after about two minutes. Then everyone's a wait. Stop what's going on. It's like no just be a fucking nice person. Don't just look at people. So. We stopped the fight. The guy that originally started. The perpetrator walks back across the street. We think he's leaving getting his car a little disoriented. Yeah, he definitely got. He might have a concussion. Let's say that got some nice shots in. Like. Anyone. Girl. She didn't grow up in Beverly Hills. We'll say that, but I mean if you're six one two hundred guy or girl, you can do damage yeah. He's walking off. We asked the girl and her friends who like are you guys? Ok? Like clearly. They were like their heart was beating. You know. There was a scuffle that they read that Guy Shirt off. So they're okay. They start walking back towards the CANTINA. Swirling are like wow, that's crazy You know, let's. Let's go. Get some yogurt, so we I. It's like it all happened in slow motion, but in fast motion at the same time. We didn't even take two steps towards go shop here comes that perpetrator. Full Force. Hussein bolt. Goes at that girl again as she's walking away, yikes hair back and I mean she goes straight back onto the fucking concrete and he jumps, and they just start scuffling again. We're like what the fuck. They chase him back there fighting again and. And in. That's an Oh an at this time. A COP pulls up around the corner so and I are like. Hey, hey, the fights over there. He's attacking them again. Cop Car like the. In Glacier, pace at this point. So he comes over the corner. They see the COP, so everyone stops. The. Mexican perpetrator. Begins to walk towards the corner and that's when our own are like he started. We're trying to help mediate because. The group none of the group besides earlier I white. Just, leave it at that so. They, WE WANNA to make sure that the they they raw okay. In the everyone was heard meaning, we can tell the cops what was happening. They felt safe us being there. So? We're trying to explain COP and while. A few more police officers come. The Guy who attacked them ran dialing got away and so like everyone's do that. The guy just ran off, so the cops like off buck in the the the group that got attacked like fuck this. We don't want to talk to the cops. You'RE NOT GONNA. Help us so. Know who gets left to give statements once again? Irwin Chandler. Hip to the girl kept saying where black don't talk. A black people talked to those two white people over there and. Her one friend was safe. Those people they're not involved like what kind of help you sh- mark, and then the other friends like a little more coolers and go. They're cool they're. You know they're. They're trying to make sure we're all okay. But now the cops has we are doing this podcast. Right? Now are looking next door. There's construction site. They're building They tore down really classic, looking Woodhouse I mean it was beautiful sixties seventies home. It's now this gigantic. Grave but Toll in the ground and they're building a Condo, and it's not a twenty foot drop, and they believe the guy jumped in there, but he so stupid. There's no way out like he's trapped there and the helicopters are above us, so Another wacky night in West, Hollywood and we're just trying to get our yogurt man. We're just like an old couple. Trying to get our fixing. So I'm getting a call from Los Angeles. Should I answer? It better might be at. This might be the cops now Yes It, Oh my God. The cops are calling. In the middle of the PODCAST. Chandler's now on the phone with the sheriff's. I don't know if I should stop this sort hair. It might have been a Mohawk. It was blonde, but it was not long. No no sir. He was younger. He He might have been in the twin twenty and thirty. Seconds there. Right now chambres I didn't a jacket He did have on jeans though. This might be a PODCAST I. Thank you. I. There might be a podcast I where a crime report was taken in the middle of a podcast. Yeah, well, what was the sheriff? Sandia he nissen humour descriptions, because they've apparently had some more disturbances tonight, and he is like I forgot to ask. The. You have Mohawk. No are short hair, long hair jacket and I said no jacket jeans. A short hair might have been a Mohawk, but it was short hair. He's younger. You know okay. Well there you go I mean. You know last week. I exposed fraud and the memorabilia world this week. Along with Chandler exposed Drunken Cocaine fueled fighting on the streets of West Hollywood. So maybe we expose last time last week. I talked about fraud in the The Jersey hockey memorabilia. I was ripped off by particular dealer. WHO and You know I'm like anonymous I don't forget. Don't forgive. So you know in this. We either I think that's why good pair. Well, you know I mean in nothing kills Irwin I like revenge well, but you know when you talk about fraud in the memorabilia, world! That can be thousands of dollars. You know these hockey jerseys. You know. Can cost thousands of dollars and. You know they're Dr. Not what they're sold you as? In, you know. Yeah, it's a lot of money. Same thing with baseball's. You know you could. You know fake I mean there's been many fake Babe Ruth. Autographed baseballs I mean Babe. Ruth autographed baseball probably sells for one hundred thousand dollars, literally one hundred thousand dollars to be fake and. Baseball throw it in the backyard where it's got wear whatever dirt shit sign it Babe Ruth and and some sucker will probably buy it for one hundred thousand dollars, a lot of celebrities that give way autographs. It's not there's. It's usually their assistance. Yeah. I figured that out once when I am. Ben Events in for an autograph and literally. He treats his fan so bad that he signed like seven different things. I I only paid for like an autographed eight by ten minute he signed like a CD, a older and all these weird things he didn't have to sign. An each autograph was different like it was clearly done by like seven different people. Are What the what they're? So. Just, a short podcast, guys you know it's the streets I think people are reaching their boiling point. Yeah. Maybe I mean I've I've lived in Atlanta. Multiple Times for movies. Never felt unsafe walking home from the bar there. Ellison New Orleans I saw guy get shot New Orleans routes twenty two. leaving a bar in the ninth ward. and. I lived in New York for a while and I've seen fights. I like fighting doesn't scare me. Thing I've never really been afraid Livin city, but I will say I've seen a lot more crime. And I feel a lot more uneasy walking around this area lately and I don't think it's just was Hollywood I. Think it's like. The world because didn't o.`Neil almost got shot. A friend of the inappropriate will produce cast. Use The great. Ryan O'Neal was walking and he lives Like East Hollywood. I'll say and it's walking exercising late at night and. Guy asked him for a cigarette or light. And then Neil doesn't smoke and. I don't have anything and you know as seventy seven. It's open around here. It's. All seventy lemons are open. Stout one is closed ever and then You know next thing you know. The Guy Pulls out a gun and. Fires three shots at o.`Neil me Non heme pepper sprite any J. I think O.`Neil Pepper sprayed, and right at the point of the first shot, so ruined is Beijing like us. And then Neil I guess told the copy asked him for a cigarette like Oh yeah. You're walking on the street at two in the morning. Seven issue for cigarette, your get robbed. So but is that just like a rule of thumb I know that? Well the street are. You know do the street depends on the neighborhood? Like West Hollywood is not that safe of a neighborhood to be honest like it's. You know I've often said you know. Beverly Hills pushes the homeless east, which would be towards us in the. Area to the east of us like the Fairfax Russian Jewish area. They push the homeless West. So like West Hollywood is Ground Zero for You Know Homelessness and Why rogan's go to Texas one of the reasons, he said it was the increase in homelessness. Yeah, he'll go to jail for smoking Weed Their Salads Felony. Well crazy at a tweet, but no one liked it, but like Texas people are always like I'm not moving anywhere. I can't carry my gun. In Texas in California, people are always like I. can't I'm not moving anywhere? I can't carry my. We'd lose. Think Joel I'm assuming smoke smoking his compound in Texas but guns I mean yeah I think he'll be all right You know it'll be interesting to see how he does podcast now because it'll have to be for the most part remote interviews. That he signed that with spotify. Now I'm moving to Texas what the Fuck baller move man. but he's always Kinda gone against the grain. You know like when he spoke about Mencia. Very few comics would have done that I think. He. What happens if the stores like this? Agency what happens if Gersh doesn't. The he didn't care. He's going to stand up for the comics. Well. Here's my thing. I think. The universe rewards people who. Whether. You're. An, anarchist liberal conservative humanitarian animal rights activists, whatever you are, the universe always rewards people who try to do what's right and have justice like if you if you believe in Justice Karma will be on your side eventually every single time it may not be Timea Lanc like I know you stood up for yourself and stood for some people against comedy central, and now I think you've had justice in other ways like. You know I years ago. stood up against This terrible producer I worked for who was abusive to me and she was a terrible person and the funny, and she was a Disney producer, and she wanted to marry when your cousins, who's a Kennedy and always trying to hang out with him, and he was like not about it, and you know what years later I'm now. An Emmy nominated producer for Disney and American Kidman Kennedy. With a kidney, so like Karma comes back to slap people in their titties. And a good way or bad way. I mean you know you're going to? Stand up for what you believe in and. I think most time she'll come out on the other side on the better side, but not immediately, but yeah early I. See good things happen to bad comics all the time or bad people, but then they eventually get taken down I. Mean You, could you? You can rise the top being bad, but you'll eventually have a fall like get the comics now who've had falls recently I won't naming names. Look at every. What you do in the comes to light, no matter what. And as much as early and I joke about. We hate everyone. We don't give a fuck. Fuck you all. We believe in the little people and we believe in doing what's right, and like, even though we should on West Hollywood because. The crime and the homeless and it's gotten rougher. It is still our neighborhood and we pay taxes here. We pay for the police here and we care about the residents here so. Personally! It doesn't matter who you are. If you are in my neighborhood, and something's going on or I see an injustice, I'm going to try to help someone because I just think like. I would want someone to do that for you and I want someone to do that for me if we need help. But I see sometimes why? Victims don't speak out like. You know when I spoke out about statutory rape, and the La comedy scene basically told to be quiet and You know just start your concern. It's It's up to the victims if they even see themselves as victims to speak out about it, and all the galaxies don't matter if they see seven victim. If it's illegal thing, it's illegal, but the law you have any people and I mean we've talked in times, but like. How many people would be like well, they they were kind of close in age with. That doesn't matter. What you say, you say, we'll, I hope that. You don't think that. When your daughter's Sixteen and folks a twenty one year old Arto to one guy is. Did you got two daughters man and this guy's like a big calm in, and he was like well. It's closed and. I think it was consensual, sex, additional consent, and with the sixteen year old students. She might have said Yeah bought me, but it ch- like literally all here's letter of the law. I had this conversation at work. Two days ago. 'cause I told you about it. Where we're, we're talking about you know women who are assaulted in industry and women who are in I in. Our personally, I spoke about this Say! The person's the the People's names as assaulted me because it's my own, it's. My own thing to carry and ADIGA through a lot of therapy after things that happened when I was a lot younger. That all happened when I was working in the industry. But I've had to make a choice as an older woman now. The industry almost ten years in that. I stick up for males that I work with and I. Work with good men, and I own an I choose to only work with Goodman. But I also. Choose to believe women. And listen to women and try to protect women, so they don't go what go through what I went through and. kind of worn them and I was saying at work how? Through all this stuff, because there's recently been like wave of May, two things and stuff and I was saying to some guys I work with I was like you know. I choose to believe a girl because I am a girl and I've been sexually assaulted multiple times, and and one of those things is of was very very traumatic moment in my life and. It's still affects me today a lot of times, and and I had ptsd from it and I have a lot of issues and. You know a lot of people don't know that because I've had to do a lot of. Therapy and deep diving and learn that that incident doesn't define me as a woman. But it it should teach me to take care of other people and I'm not gonNA. Give anyone satisfaction of letting something bad. That happened to me. Control my life. And And I was saying how I will always listen to girls because. Your experience is valid and. Just because someone else had that experience doesn't mean that. Make sure not true and this. Guy I was talking to. He was like you know. Here's the thing. Women like why wouldn't you report it? Why if it really happened to you? Why not go to the COPS? Why not and I was like? Are, you. That comes from someone that's never been assaulted. This says that. I know earl. You've been sexually assaulted, but. Attempted never happened. It's like. I never went to the police. Mine was seven years ago. and. I didn't because. The Hassle Of. Going to the police? As a twenty one year old and The hassle of having explain what happened and possibly losing my job. That I wanted more than anything. and. I remember I talked to a woman before I worked with about an she basically labeled me as a whore. That in didn't believe me in. That really scarred me for a long time in the industry and so. It bothers me now when when people say. Well, if that actually happened, you would have reported it because that's not true in in southern states. If you go to the police and you. Say I was raped or sexually assaulted, and they say we're anti, hospital and the hospital and you do a rape kit. Your insurance doesn't pay for that. And State doesn't pay for that. You do as a woman in a Lotta Times. It can cost thousands of dollars. And if you're a young woman who's been assaulted, and then you have to pay to prove to people that you were assaulted. No I'm not GONNA do that like? Why would I do that as humiliating and also? I don't have the money to do that like that's where our system is fucked. That's my thoughts on him. Also I told the guy the other day work. Sorry, I'm I just had a bunch of sugar. This is the point I was GonNa make and I told them in I was talking to. I know how to protect women. And I know how to talk to women, and I know how to talk to men and I know how to be cordial. I know how to be respectful. I shouldn't have to teach men how to talk to women or to act. That is your job as a man to take care of women and to take care of your own kind if you see a guy in the green room. Doing something fucked up or a man at the bar or one year buddies. Sending pictures of female that she did not approve that. He gets in news or some of her to. Stop It. That's your job is a guy. That's the tea. I shouldn't have to teach you how to respect women. You should teach. You should teach each other. It's while it's not my responsibility to teach men how to be a good person. And you know the men who are good people in my life have never been anything inappropriate towards me and have always been respectful to me and you know. One of the reasons. I love you so much like you've always been so respectful to girls. You make jokes here and there about. Forbids, but like you've never been appropriate. Every woman I've ever met that you've driven. Home is always said how. You've been so respectful. I've never had to worry. And you know you did stick up for someone five years ago when you basically got shit on four, but you know what. Those times are coming for then. To be honest. Hey will you know cause? I told people about it. Because even if you don't talk about it, I will. So. Like last week when I talked about the. Dealer who whipped me off? FANS OF THAT DEALER GO! What are you speaking out for? Man Sounds like you have buyer's remorse. As now I. Had ripped off remorse like. I'm not to compare getting ripped off jerseys rate, but like I now know victims don't come out like they'd get ridiculed, and they get like almost in a defensive position or when you're like proven. That, or or when people say will. That, happened twenty years ago, or that had been fifteen years ago while sudden speaking out about it. I'm sorry if a fifteen year old was sexually assaulted. Have you ever read the book Lalita or seen it? They're not going to know that they're sexually assaulted or a lot of times because they're groomed. It's not until you're thirty and you see it from the other side and you're like. Oh, I was definitely molested as a kid or like. That was some pedophile shit. Well. That's what happened with me. When the casting guy was trying to talk me or whatever he was trying to do, like at the time I thought Oh. This is just how the business works because he's growing. You and this guy was legit to like I also think it helps. They're actually legitimate in their field like. Just, SOME DUDE IN A. You know four hundred foot square office, and you know some shitty part of an is your guy. This is just the deal with this guy was one of the heads of in a gigantic studio, but this is why people get away with. This is like look at Bryan Singer. He's been trawling for young boys for what thirty years. Everyone know everyone knows, and they don't do anything like it. Here's my problem, so I am big in the Tiktok community? And TIKTOK. They're pretty up because it's. Kids are pretty hit to square. They're the ones that trolled trump and ruined his rallies and shit like that. The recently there's been a lot of videos come out conspiracy videos and videos about pedophilia, and in Hollywood in this one guy was talking about Bryan Singer, which is known thing and Tiktok will pull down any video that exposes any Hollywood child, sex, trafficking and. I made two videos about child sex trafficking and I said these are conspiracies are not the truth. It's just speculation because I was gonna say that because legally. You can't say anything if I do that. They still ripped them down anything to do with. Pizza Gate if you Hashtag anything pizza, they rip it down. If you put any of it on twitter, they rip it down. It's because. The people who money in this country or in this? Will buy you. Anything and protect you from anything so the fact that Hollywood elite are in a sex a lot of them do a child sex ring. And get away with it. That's why they pay off. They don't want you to know and social media tries exposed when they pay off social media to take it down. Oh. Yeah hopefully at some point. Justice is served. But what is justice? In. Bryan Singer's been. Known, for thirty years. It's GonNa take someone in a mask shooting all these people. Me So. Just kidding, that's a joke. Please don't come for me. Hollywood police You know. It's a predatory business where. Do, you think. I'll say conspiracy theories of the other day when my phone glitch. But I don't WanNa. Get in trouble but D-. Thank Tom Hanks is a pedophile are no Peru. That's a big conspiracy theory. I'm not even. Once the pro like. There's no proof. There's a deep dive on the Internet of conspiracy. And like. Ellen Degeneres on house arrest because she has an ankle monitor on. Show me, but I like that's a dangerous accusation. Demands by show me show me him with a kid. Show me video showed me a picture like no one has done so i. Don't think that like look at Jeffrey Epstein. Yet, but there's strove there's proof now. There's videos now improve now, but people probably were saying that for years. You don't think that people like that can cover it up, but show me a picture like that's like you know. the writer Hunter S. Thompson. Vegas. Yeah, he did that movie with Johnny Depp. The mention of adrenal chrome is in that, which is the Journal in. It's a drug that they pull from the Adrenalin of people, and they drink it to keep themselves younger, and there's like scientific studies on it that cause adrenaline in your body keeps younger. It's a natural drug we produce in. That's how people can like lift cars, and you know you get the blood rush and when you work, you get an adrenaline rush and it's the highest over half. So there's like all these theories about ADRINA chrome is a thing that. The elite will say used to. Take a drug to keep themselves young. Because it goes back to Molokai tradition, which is A Malik thing. Where they child sacrifices back in ancient times and Hunter S.. Thompson is one of the first people that labeled it a Drina chrome in that movie and in his books. And for years he talked about it and then. He. Got Labeled years later as one of the people who were involved in satanic child rituals like when when? Children are rescued from. Colt things. They have to go through tons of therapy depending on what they were involved in in a lot of kids. Named him. This is on record like you can look this up. They said it was him which he's denied. And of course they have no proof because they were in a Colt, and we can't track those things well anyway, so once all of that came out on record. She came and said he made up a drain of chrome, and there's no such thing, and he never talked about it, but if you look back in ancient times. And they would drink the blood of sacrifices because they believed it gave them supernatural powers and kept them younger. It does have a weird. Thing through history like. Queen Elizabeth was said to have. Use the plot of servants for her skin would bathe in, and then you know now hall. I know Hollywood actors and actresses that do the foreskin facials from. They. Take the blood from Chinese baby skin and put it in there. This is a real thing you look it up. It's like hundreds of thousands of dollars word, but it's a facial. I think it's just a few thousand, but it's a facial. Sandra bullock does. It's a facial you get. On your face. That's taken from the blood. Isn't that crazy. Oh, I think a lot of its placebo effect. Yeah I could give you an ASEAN right now. Tell you it's a caffeine pill. You'd be up for three hours. which you think, it's a caffeine. Believe a lot of stuff like that is I've certainly bought eight hundred dollar moisturizers before. This is better than a cannon NYDIA. You know. Twenty bucks find out tests on animals. We have to throw it all away. No, you still use A. Hundred Bucks. Sick when I had Vonda. Jeans on sky comes out to me as A horrible racist and he said the N. Word What are you, GonNa do about those pants? I'm like where they fit perfectly. Aware, you had terrible fashion from like nineteen, ninety, two, two thousand. Eight. I was. Finding my stage persona for eighteen years, so I used to go get all my clothes at brass rail on the second floor. NORDSTROM's at the Westside pavilion is now a vacant. Google building now it's crazy to drive by withdrawal by the other night. It was like my God this used to be the hottest small, maybe in the country for a hot minute. And now it's just. Gone. Did. You see everywhere. Shirts I did I wore my I think maybe about two thousand seven inch. I would wear. Ima May shirts affliction shirts? I would wear bathe or shirts because he was my favorite fighter and he had this really cool like. Sorolla Russian lettering and the Eagle Yeah until I almost got into a fight at the gym when the sky was like. What's your specialty? What are you talking about? Your Specialty I. And, anguish chief made fun of you. KNOW IS A. Shirt you do SOMBO. I'm like no, do you? Do you just know? We should take shirt off I'm. What are you talking about well? If you don't do it, you should wear you wearing a Seattle seahawks years. You are you on the team? Now when you stand up jokes, but it is, but it's true it happened to. The twenty four hour, fitness and so. It was right around the NASDAQ I. I don't to deal with this. Type of person every week. MMA bans are pretty hard core so. I gave away all my affliction. IMMATURE STA homeless people. So now. They're going to get their asses kid. So when I gave my hockey jerseys away to homeless people, people will take pictures. Hey, or elders black do. I think he's got one. Your Hockey Jerseys on would send me a picture like yeah. Let's make sure she just called. I gave it to him. So what the fuck I'm a giver, so yeah, US keep on giving a along. He so mad at me too bad. You don't Oughta Eddie your podcast. That's the end of the podcast Chandler. Go to your plugs. Watch. Holy Holy-moly, every Thursday night on ABC, and we should be up for some emmys. I find out tomorrow, so I could be an emmy nominated writer by the time you listen to this. Holy Moly Thursday nights eight PM with the robbery goal and Joe Tessa Tor. Chandler writes and. Produces on the show or yeah and their upper. Emmy and you find out tomorrow. If they get it follow her we'll give you know twitter and tiktok twitter instagram is at Chander Bari Bart E. TIKTOK is at Chan See H.. A. N. Barbie Aarp E. And as you know I'm at. EARLS. Skakel on everything. Even Tiktok, even I. Do very well on Tiktok because I just. Don't try because she's not my sense of humor. Like most video I see on Tiktok, I'm stone-faced I watch. I'm like this isn't funny at all to me, but it's not my I think medium of entertainment I'm. The girl farting was really funny, because I'm more of a twitter like I. See People's tweets go. That's funny. just think it's a generation thing. That You know it's like when my parents used to tell me how wild. was like what are you talking about? Well, he was a while. They wouldn't show his below his waist because he would like. I GUESS TRY Hump Air! Dry Humpty air like make a hula-hoop motion with no Hula who? And then I'd be watching like. A whitesnake video Itani tonic contain doing the splits. Beaver Bell on a Jaguar? That's pretty wild and then I. Tell people about that. You know young kids, your age or younger. And like Did you see the latest rapidy there like doing? A simulation so rat! What rat are a? Rats I was like no one might as listening to rat. Trust me. They're the stars of the GEIKO. Car Insurance Commercial knowing my Jason Manhattan's car insurance. They probably use their parents so checkout or at inappropriate or alumni, two-time alumni Stephen Peercy in the hottest commercial land right now round and round is in the billboard top ten for the first time in thirty years service. So my God was that you it was. So. This. Impromptu podcast. On Day. Something of interest, you know we thought we'd talk about. We dealt off into rape in Hollywood that could be an eight part series. And catch got into You know fraud in Jersey world, so you're buying a Hockey Jersey or baseball or football on Ebay be careful. There's a lot of fraud out there by earls hockey jerseys. If you on them day I've got about six hundred game on jerseys upstairs. Email me for a full list. My price is quite reasonable and I won't rip you off. their authentic. He has all the paperwork in a safe spot, but animal. Let me touch any I will tell you right now i. don't Know Anything About Hockey Jerseys, but I will say that all of jerseys are game warned they all have blood on 'em. He keeps them in great condition in A. Cooled bedroom to their self. I am not allowed to go in there. The dog's not allowed to go in there. No one is allowed in there but him. He keeps all the paperwork safe in a drawer. All organized like it's almost like his own little workshop. It's weird, but I love him, but let's just say they. Going into the memorabilia world per second. Just because it's on a piece of paper doesn't mean it's real like you have to make sure the person who wrote that paper. It's called the C O A. Certificate of authenticity like you gotTA. Make sure they know what they're talking about. I mean Chandler knows nothing about hockey jerseys. She could literally write. A letter for one of my Herschel Hockey Jerseys and say. Wayne Gretzky war and laminated mean Wayne Gretzky. Ward you know there's? A actually a Wayne Gretzky Jersey that was just sold I, think for. Thirteen thousand dollars. Christ his Ranger Jerseys, and it's one of the more affordable Gretzky Jerseys. If you if you want. A big money Gretzky Jerseys Hanoi Jerseys, especially his rookie and second year jerseys they go for hundreds of thousands of dollars but this the latter. stated at it was worn by Wayne Gretzky and The Wayne Gretzky collectors of the world? There's like three one in particular. Who knows is that he never wore this jersey. You could tell. Because of certain, characteristics, Jersey didn't have. And the whole point is the letter for the Jersey stated it was Gretzky Jersey so just be careful out there and the. And the not just hockey Jersey world, but if you're buying football and rothlisburger signed dino. Look up his signature. You know Google his signature. Everyone has A. Certain characteristics other signature that. You know you should cross reference, and you know if you're a you know. Michael Jordan memorabilia big right now because the last dance and You know like he has certain. Signatures on his Are Trademarks on his signature. You know like the am done in a certain way and how he crosses. The Jay's is done only his way, so just be careful out there. There's a lot of con artists in the memorabilia world. We could probably do another full podcasts on that. But I'm not going to speak out anymore. Because I was basically told to be quiet. You have any Wayne Gretzky. Is I do have a autograph Grassy Picture. That's that's probably worth like five hundred bucks, 'cause it's framed and that autographs in pretty good condition share Most Expensive Jersey on absolutely the. Eric Bolton nine eleven a Jersey one by the Rangers in the Sabers. Framed none that that I do have that one's pretty valuable, but the Eric Bolton jerseys valuable because the. Rangers and the. About whole sabres play the first pro sporting events. After nine eleven and The Rangers wore a shirt said New York across it. Wish they had done in the past, but not often in Buffalo, instead of the Buffalo. HEAD ON UNDER JERSEY. Day War. Jerseys it's a New Yorker Cross it. Sell that so while I've been offered. At bought at auction. and. I've been offered big money by people who live in the New York area. Just 'cause you know obviously nine eleven means a little more to New York and the rest of I mean it means a lot to all of us, but like. You know if you're from New York. I, think you know means a little more. Why you have those three jerseys frame though in our house are just wanted to find that they have some nice autographs. I'm like I have One Ju- probably the second most. Jersey Valuable Jersey I. have is the one in the bedroom the. Detroit Red Wings Jersey Joey Kosher Jersey. He didn't wear it I. Just Had Jersey made up with his name on it. But it's got like four hall of Famers autographs on. It's got Scotty Bowman autograph. SA- Brennan Shanahan Stephen Mickey Redman and the just one more. Hall a monograph on it So you know that jurists worth a couple thousand dollars? Just because you know anytime, you can get hall of fame autographs. On! Football Baseball Jersey. Skyrockets the price also death sadly makes Jersey more expensive. A couple of jerseys from several players who are deceased. And if they weren't deceased, their Jersey would be you know three or four hundred bucks. And then you know they die, and you know. Actually depending on the way they die, the value actually goes up because it makes it more macab. So I've gotten some pretty wacky offers, Wade, black jerseys, who was a tough guy, but his Jersey's. Weren't terribly expensive like four to five hundred dollars. A now they're like seven eight hundred dollars so. It's It's weird how things They were selling nine eleven memorabilia. That's crazy, but pieces of the tower did does hockey do hockey? Players Wear Pink Jerseys ever for Breast Cancer Awareness sometimes in the minor leagues. They'll have like a specialty breast cancer, Jersey, or a prostate cancer, and I know like in baseball. They have usually. The players will wear like pink a wristband that they'll auction on afterwards or paint shoes. Sometimes, not often paint bat and they'll auto. Auction about off you know for like. You know that bad. Even if it's like I'm trying to think of like if it's a movie bets Bat. If it just a regular mookie Betts bet at bats, probably four to five hundred dollars, because he's probably the best player right now, but you know you throw on the breast, cancer or prostate cancer caused behind it. It will go for five thousand dollars. Which is what the Air Bolton Jersey. You know an Arab Bolt and Jersey pre-nine Eleven. For three hundred dollars really while he's not you know it was just a fighter. He was kind of popular, but he wasn't like a Bob. Grover in terms of popularity so You know the shirts sold. For close to three thousand dollars. just because the call. The proceeds went to the firefighters and police New York. So that's nice you you I'd like. A Steve McKenna Jersey. That he didn't even play, he didn't play the game. You just skated in the warm ups. So. He wasn't game on, but it was pre-game. Juan went for eighteen hundred dollars. So like before nine eleven, you could buy literally six Steve McKenna Jerseys for eighteen hundred dollars, so, but it's the cost and stuff. So how much is the URL, Skakel Jersey Work Jersey. Is Worth three dollars maybe. Before nine eleven. But like if I were to sell just it. If I were to sell the silver pair of pants I'd be Jimmy. Carin and roast battle. I could probably sell us for a thousand dollars. Gross battle fans or fans of me. Him No I throw away what the fuck weren't. They were Sachi. No, they were a Japanese company. custom-made silver jeans but I was so mad at comedy central at that point. I threw away the shorts they gave me. The towel they gave me through. I gave you Saigo you saw that stuff on the Internet. You Idiot I gave my comedy. Central Hoodie that said my name on it to a homeless guy. One night and the funniest thing was the next night. He was wiping his ass. On comedy central log on my diet, Li like I like your style. Okay Man, you should get on season. Two I'm not oops. So never mind, I'm just kidding around actually I've got. I've been getting a lot of Confidence is the wrong word, but I started watching wrestling videos. The cult shoot videos where the wrestlers keep it real like they're not in character, they just. Like they're being honest. And there's this guy. Bad News Brown. The ask him about every wrestler. He was an asshole. What you're, going to start new. I've been motivated by bad news brown to just be honest and keep it real so. If. You guys have any. Feel free to you know, go on twitter. I'm not really on facebook that much and Ceram and asked me a question. One. Question on podcast. You know that's what made the podcast so good last week is I had fans submit questions about jerseys and there was some really good ones. So. You send questions about the nineties to earl eighties nine send send questions about the ninety two url and we'll both answer them because I was between the ages of zero and eight in the nineties, and he was in between the ages of. Twenty four and thirty four, so yeah, this is just a fun episode. Hope you guys enjoyed. It was very scattered, but love you all needed shailer a lot of adrenaline. When we walked in, so we thought bucket. Let's hit record and see what comes out so. Make. Sure you watch holy holy-moly, Thursday nights and Stream the jellies adult swim. You know and watch battle on comedy central if you want. I'm dying up here. I think you can stream on showtime. And Hal Watch the first season of real rob on death looks in episodes, five and six. So and you know as always leave a review for inappropriate earl. On Apple podcast. I can get back on the charts crack their algorithm. And there'll be two more episodes this week tomorrow with Stuart Thompson. Talking about the release of his new comedy, Dan Demand Not Daddy in Dandy man. And then Friday fifty Josh. was on this podcast. A couple of years ago is Joe Dash. She's now transitioning into a woman. So we're talking about that and it will be my second transgendered comic. Course. I, of course we had Robin Tran on. The Great Robin Tran So. I hope you like it inappropriate earl on a Monday night. Wash your hands. Where fucking Mass You idiots? Where Condom Love Y'all.

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Episode 123: I Did Not F*ck My Cat feat. Jovan Hill [Patreon Preview]

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Episode 123: I Did Not F*ck My Cat feat. Jovan Hill [Patreon Preview]

"Hey, everybody. If you're Twitter user, if you're on Twitter this week at all you probably saw that there is a YouTube star trying to convince his fans that he didn't fuck and then come on his cat. If you if you aren't Twitter user, I'm here to tell you that there was a YouTube star on there this week trying to convince people that he didn't fuck and come on a cat. This is not this is not the first time. A YouTube star has had to issue. Very very weird backpedaling apologies for something. Something that's come out, usually like an old clip or something not a lot of old racist clips. It's it's a thing that happened a lot, and if you're paying attention most of these can be traced back to one guy. Is actually who we have on the show today. His name is Jovan hill for what I know Giovane kinda like the Wayne Gretzky of finding old clips of YouTubers saying crazy, racist shed or just weird shed this week this week. He found a clip of Shane Dawson telling story about fucking his cat, which I don't know if it was true or not, but became a big thing. And. Giovanni accounts already deleted for it. And I dunno. He's still going. So that's who we have on the show today. This is a little preview of it. Just a heads up. We're not doing a main episode this week. I'm going to be out of town for a funeral actually. So we're just going to skip one. But we'll have two new patriot episodes, including this one. All right. So let's go ahead and start it. All right. Welcome brandon. How you doing? I'm well Jovan here. I'm here from the health literally very special gusts. This man this man's had quite a week. I mean, first of all I should be some context to who you are. Because there is I think like a lot of people listening might not be might not, you know, or sure exactly, you know. I think there's some crossover, but I think in there have been people like oh, get Jovan on the pod. But you know, most the demos mostly girls in gaze said, there's there's a lot of we've got a lot of straits argue some girls e some ladies, what's ladies, exciting, pepper, Santa my followers. Yes. Well, yeah. Girls girls the podcast for me. Not not not as Brennan, Jack. You have the the gamer listeners. That's you. Okay. And then all of the of the babes that listened to the podcast all. Inning in for for me. But so basically, how'd you how'd you explain your your living? I tweet for a living my followers, basically, I'm like vim oh age on and then. Yeah. Either do or they don't in that my budget. Got like a very powerful then. Yeah. My windhoek. I'm surprised hasn't like locked me because I'm probably not using intended. But it's just like if I say that I'm guaranteed like Perv, Yvonne, at least fifty bucks. So it's like, right. Got tweeted there is a New York Times article about how it's it's like this this. Digital beggar begging puffing, the by lake the the lake synopsis is basically like this feels like it kind of feels like a like a boomer dream like it feels good fucking like we're talking to us. If it does feel like a what they think every I mean, I hate the word millennial. But when when people like have like a view of like what they do is. The pot smoking. Kind of stick? It's like, I'm very. Ackman is I'm. Game with like a scam. If. Lever youth xactly what I did. Right. They the thing is so Jack, and I were talking about it before you came in. And you successfully do thing that a lot of people try to do. Which is like professionally do nothing, but like people you're entertaining enough. People order is one thing is like the fact, I know you people I know Chack, I know like Kay Lani. And I know like Brock Hamson, I know the gaming people share thoughts like because I'd likable like you have to be like like, not only my likable, not that gas myself. But I'm pretty universal be likable. I'd probably have some interests in common with you on if like. Reading I'm easy to talk to my hotel line. I'm accountable my followers enac with almost eight hours of the day that he just an argument them. So it's like it was very much at the job. I mean, I have to myself in check all day after even keep myself in balance accountable caulking, everybody right now, I have to make sure I can't fucked it up because he wants grew up on poor once again, so it's like very much you have to be self aware and people aren't self aware. I was reading that article for the first time to New York Times just like literally describing us tweeting in having people give you five dollars on van mile turned a brand new house like all right? He's doing something that normally I would make fun of somebody lot for doing. But you're making enough doing it that it's like you've you've been motorway actually good for. Well, yeah. So weird line where it's like the Venema bagging reading five dollars sad. It'd be sad. If I wasn't getting it. But it's like, I get it. But you get it. No. I mean, why not worse thing. So how did this all start? Like, what was your first? This is your first. Out of my people for a long time know they've been racist. I don't think the platforms. I mean, they're pretty shitty. People like their friends. They're friends affirm their shitty people. That's why I kept going to their friends have been sitting me, not I say any other names. What almost all the stuff I've gotten has been to that friend directly to my message. So it's like they don't like you either. And it's like your shape person. I don't mind getting rid of you. I mean, I had nothing to lose nothing to lose. I don't YouTube. So it's like, my followers gets more and more and more and more and more. And then I was looking for apologies. Anything anything? None of them ever apologized. I mean, the shame of is very funny. It was so fun recording yesterday actually or two days ago, and he pulled Brian horror. I think you're account got deleted is about chain Dawson like fucking knows before it was something. I don't. I don't. Thing that that's like Connick now. Yeah. He he like I got to where right turns in three days. I was like these YouTubers. This is a gold mine. I had created the shame thought cry followers sent me the video audio. And then I just I heard a posting it. I was like holy shit that he said he came on his cat. And then can we call it a little girl sexy? And I was like so. He's. Actually, let me here. We'll the his apology. Let's start with the clippers. Clipper people haven't heard it. Because I a good amount of our listeners don't have Twitter weirdly and hearing us describing man did this twenty three year old grown, man. That's none of sixteen or fifteen kids. All right here. It is this kind of shitty audio I can't find like the clean podcast clip. But this'll this'll at least do the trick. We'll give you the sense. Onto my animals. They will never love terrible things used to. I don't know if you wanna go there. Late. My cat down on arrested for this. I don't know about it. Okay. Chicken legs. Like, you know, has like if I just like hump, but like honors tummy not weird like lever in that. I hope that out kept going going came all over the Kennydale. You get nothing for students like. It doesn't sound like a joke. Between. Nineteen got the memory for. Punch laurie. I don't know. I mean, like some weird white shit not drag anybody that's just some weird white shit.

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Brenden Dillon, Marisa Ingemi

ESPN On Ice with Wyshynski and Kaplan Show

1:02:45 hr | 7 months ago

Brenden Dillon, Marisa Ingemi

"Hey Emily Greg realizes hockey podcast realize people want us to give you the latest hockey news? Realize we have two great hockey guests and Brennan Dylan Ricin Jimmy but come on? Rob Gronkowski is going to Tampa Bay to play with Tom. Brady the most often granted Jordan documentary. Which we'll talk about later was the biggest story of the week but now it's been superseded by the reunion of pretty grunk in Tampa Bay top sorry Tampa Bay firstly anytime top a bath and go like an extra flow Tampon. I think Sarah Spain who did that and I haven't gotten that outta mind. Secondly honesty hasn't even sunk in because it feels inevitable but be everything is so surreal these days. You can tell me that President Kim Jong Hoon is potentially brain dead and that doesn't even register. Are you know everything is surreal? It's a blip on the radar like it's something on the crawl. Yeah Yeah drew. Rosenhaus says rob has agreed to play for Tampa this season. He will honor his current contract at this time. He has taken his physical a seventh a Gronk in seven throw fourth-rounder the trade isn't our trade in the NFL stupid like employer compared to an hockey. It's always like first round picks for big name players and all kinds of stuff like that and then when he gets the football. It's like every single. It's such a sort of salary spot driven sport that every single time. There's a trade you're like. Oh this is the single most famous like J. J. Watt gets traded for a fourth. Like it's never makes any sense to me. Nfl Trades the only reason. It's like that is because Valerie's aren't guaranteed that's the way they can justify it but yeah it is wild and look. I don't think. Jj Watt going for a fourth day. Look at the Tampa Bay buccaneers. They have to get rid of OJ. Howard I bet he goes for a fourth which is seen your jets fan you take for fourth. You're taking I probably I would. I would take him. I would have a pulse. Can you get a football? Yes yes yes yes to both of those. Does he mind if the past does he might have the passes significantly farther away from where it should be because no no no he can be a Chicago. Bear if that's the case Okay very good all right coming up on this hockey podcast like we mentioned rendell into the Washington capitals formerly the San Jose. Sharks join us for great conversation about his weird year man. Ten Games with the capitals for the season shutdown and just delightful guy will very much enjoy that brisk gonNA come on and talk about the H. l. The bruins and also her unfortunate layoff from the Boston Herald and what life is like for someone who is grinding as a freelancer as we're young writer. All that much more on this edition of ESPN and Ice Hockey. Podcast I swear to. You have to show proper shelley. The ice to your ear buds a podcast about hockey featuring things to do with hockey from your friends at ESPN ESPN on ice with what Shitski and Kaplan Espn. A nice the podcast. Espn talks about hockey. I'm Greg Whiskey or NHL Rider. I'm then like Kaplan national. Nhl Reporter Begin this episode as we do with the season paused. It's your news and notes from Quarantine Games without fans emily. It seems like there's more discussion within the League that there's GonNa be a potential restart the summer with different locales hosting games on neutral site basis. Obviously none of those places would have fans. We discussed North Dakota on a recent episode but there was some movement last week for New Hampshire as a potential site for initial hockey. Yeah and then. Noise was created by New Hampshire governor who created the noise himself an interview with Wbai. He pretty much said Yep. It's on the table. We are in the running. I've talked to the NHL. And that's all that I can say. Now you and I talked to Donald FEHR. Nhlpa this weekend and really does feel like they are in early stages because he says the NHLPA hasn't even been contacted about any specific neutral site location at this time we just couldn't scale back for a second though. I just want to lay out the landscape of it. I went into this saying it is going to be impossible. I am so skeptical. There's no way they can stage games this summer. Like I cannot believe it but it really does feel that the NHL is so held on. Having it happen that it could happen and they're definitely getting encouragement from president trump to restart the economy. And do something like this. I do see a couple of roadblocks though one being Canada yes the US government by allow it. But I think the Canadian government is a little more hesitant to want to give the green light open up. Their border allowed games to happen there or travel between the two countries choose Europe and you know we mentioned it with Donald Fehr. He said yes. We have all the resources we have lawyers and they tell us lawyers. We will get these guys over here. Firstly Donald trump is now talking about not allowing any new work visas. So all these guys who are you F- as on July first like how's that going to work. Are they going to get a new work? That's going to be a headache and to this country Russia where the border is completely closed. And nobody's going in and out of there even on private planes that has to be addressed it and again. I think the big issue is that even if you do address it even if it's like the president saying you sports after star for the betterment of the economy and for the betterment of People's health mental health whatever. The last thing that pro sports wants to do is. They're getting preferential treatment. I mean remember that there was like an actress who got a cove nineteen test at one point in the back of a car from her doctor and then it was like I mean it was people grabbing torches. Nobody should be seen to be getting preferential treatment over anybody else during this pandemic and the idea that. Oh we'll allow private planes of Swedish hockey players to return to the country when no one else can fly anywhere is nuts and they're gonNA make the NHL look horrible. And I think they're aware of this so like we talked about before travel restrictions restrictions on math mass gatherings and essential businesses. These are all the things that have to be sorted out before we get there. But I'm with you. I mean if you were going to put your finger in the air and say which way the wind is blowing right. Now you'd have to say it's blowing towards the season restart with empty arenas in different locations and and I think that might. Maybe it's just a game of telephone. Maybe it's an echo chamber but the more people you talk to you. The more there is. That sense of optimism is a strong word for restarting a season. An empty arena but optimism. Maybe that something's going to occur where we can get some finality on this season in some way shape or form now no fans in those buildings if the fans do come back that's going to be an interesting interesting debate because we talked about the Carolina hurricanes modeling out what it would look like if you had to cap attendance at a certain number for social distancing purposes you don't have seventeen thousand of the arena maybe six or eight thousand the arena. Ted Leonsis last week in a chat with the Economic Club of Washington. Dc address the idea of not wanting to do that not wanting to have it be a situation where you have a certain class of fan whether it's somebody who can afford it whether it's somebody who gets in under the wire before the tickets are sold out whether it's somebody who has a normal temperature versus a fever is able to get into the arena. He kind of didn't this has seemed like he was a big fan of this idea of you know creating groups once we reopen that can get in and some that can't get in. I think he sports a communal thing for the community to kind of rally around the idea that certain people get access and people can't is kind of an issue for them and I think you know as we talked about this normal. I mean I hate that term. I don't know I just said it. But as with Gregg wishing I hate it I think in five years not this was not normal and it won't be like this in five years. I mean we all know that to be a fact it might be worse can be better. Who knows but it's not gonNA be. This is not the new normal okay. But that's why Hanser well. I'm hoping somebody plays the new normal drinking came. Here's the thing when we reopened it. May It's going to be masks. It's going to be now. Some sections are open. Maybe some seconds aren't it could very well be you know. Instant demand temperature checks fans. They walk into the building. I mean they're going to be certain conditions that are going to be met. I think when any place that has mass gatherings opens for business and Leonsis. I agree with him in a perfect world. I wouldn't want it to be a situation where we limit attendance and have to talk about you know. Hey you've got a fever. You can't come in the whole thing but I mean start at stuff. We definitely are going to have to address before we reopened local arenas totally as of this. Now you want to put on the money line of what's going to happen should we? Should we guess yeah? I would if I was going to make if I were a betting man to appear on the daily wager. If I'd been obsessively watching horse racing on Saturdays in absence of all sports I think they come back and I think they come back at the end of July. That's that would be my wage. You were telling me when and where I would say. Open up some semblance of a training camp July first and then you come back with an with an expanded playoff edge. I refuse refuse to believe that we're going to get any regular season games. The logistics of our insane and to what end to what end. What what what are these teams making money if they're not playing their home arenas and if they were playing in the home arenas nobody's in the buying anything and also all the businesses around the arenas closed so? Unfortunately you're going to have to say you know patronizing go home to a number of teams that are so far out of the playoffs and then you expand the playoffs to twenty. If you WANNA go twenty four to get make sure the Blackhawks and Canadians get in okay. Whatever and then go from there. I just can't imagine the regular seasons. GonNa play but I would say emily end of July. What say you firstly? I would like to say F peeler packing their diets and go home is going to be a last chance kitchen. Is there a counter programming tournament? Where one team emerge. That would be. Great Television Steve. Mayer come see. That's that's the idea. That's stupid draft idea but better is to give the loser's bracket a chance to return to the Stanley Cup tournament. Yes you get to come into the quarterfinals. You skip the first round you come right in. You GotTa play the Boston Bruins. Because they've obviously beat the TROTTA maple leafs at the first hop shifts but my guess in my new normal drink. But it's just not happening. I can I as much as I really do. You hear the NHL. And I see them trying to figure it out listening to these governors this week talk about how opening up. Essential Businesses. Like hair design studios in bowling alleys. And they've got a couple of thoughts about that. I don't think our country is prepared for this. I think we're going to get the second wave and I just think the twenty nine hundred twenty season is going to be a wash now. You're talking real. Governors vinnie Viola right talking governors. Us State governor of Scotch lasting last thing before we get to run a I did find it very fun to talk to your Michaeline in this week and also Jonah interview that's appearing on ESPN on Wednesday. And not sure when you're hearing this but that's when you'll be able to read shake. His comments both teams on the bubble. Both teams battling math when it comes to the playoffs and the idea that these teams are like getting up models that they're sending to the NHL of well. Here's a way we could start the season. I love that I love the fact that the Columbus Blue Jackets who if you go by points there and if you go by points percentage they're not are sitting around crunching numbers being like how about this. How about every team with three names can have a chance to win the cup? It's great to me also agreed to me the chance for us to talk to Brennan Dylan of the capital's about a great many things do enjoy and now joining us on the line is Washington Capitals Defenseman as of ten games this season Longtime San Jose. Shark Brenden Dillon. Brendan firstly where are you right? Now and how would you describe the last couple of weeks life? Yeah I I'm actually back in San Jose California at My condo here I was shocked up in at the residents in Marriott Arlington for reality set for for ten games setting was just around three weeks and You know you could almost consider myself part of geography major now with with the amount of traveling. I've done over the last Last couple weeks months but Happy and safe and yeah just trying to try to make the most of this time. We're both in the bay area. I'm wondering Campbell and so like really shocked by how far ahead everything here was versus the rest of the country because I keep telling people like the toilet paper that are disappearing. At the end of February it feels like the bay area's kind of couple weeks ahead of a lot of parts of the country. Did you feel that going from DC? Back back back West. I did A big thing when I did get traded to Washington is it's pretty pretty surreal when you're driving to the rink there the White House All you know everything going on there and then it kind of translates to the TV to When you only have you know the fifty and twenty channels on there you find yourself watching Fox watch CNN. A little bit more Almost within I think it was a week or two of me getting traded when things really started getting serious in Santa Clara County when they were starting to instill the the shelter in places and then that we're talk of the schemes. We're going to be pretty much knows fans or anything and I remember when I when I got out east and guys were certain asked me about it. And how bad? It wasn't the area and I remember thinking it was. It was something that was being talked to both but it wasn't It obviously is now and I think in in being in my time out there Things were definitely starting to get a little more serious there. You're starting to see more masks and I was fortunate that when I when I flew back this way. the amount of LYSOL wipes being handed out on the plane. the masks and gloves and whatnot. I felt I felt fairly safe on there. And and as you said getting back to the area itself I feel like people have done their job. And I've taken this thing serious enough where where it's hopefully on the on the better end of things. I hope you're only with the capitals for three weeks. But what were those three weeks like? What coming from an outsider. On what impresses you about the team. What surprised you and then I'm just curious about what it's like now like. Are you included on their group? Text is weird you chime in like. I'm not part of these inside jokes. Yeah it's It was it was definitely a crazy. Time this season in general hockey season wise and Being someone who was traded midseason right at the deadline I consider myself lucky to to go to a team like Washington Not just because Of the team being in the first place and the opportunity to win the Stanley Cup but Just the guys on the team. The culture that they've created there and when you get to meet the Alex Ovechkin Zain the Tom Wilson's the neck facts. Drums and these guys that have had you know so much success over the last you know last however many years of you see how much fun they have around the rink but once it comes time to to get into game They don't mess around and I think that's kind of an infectious thing whether you're young guy coming in or free agent that's just signed or got traded They they know how to do it right. And I felt Super Super. Part of the group felt like a piece of the puzzle that was was going to help us get better and Military unfortunate with everything. That's going on now that we can't continue to play play hockey and and continue on that quest for like a lot of teams that had had higher hopes for the season but Yeah I'm still in the group shots I've actually night was recently purchased an Xbox About a week or so ago and Me Tommy Wilson and Tj. Oh she has been having some times to to Kinda get ourselves away from the craziness. That's fascinating you. You've played so long with one hall of Famer in Jumbo. I was wondering if you've gotten a sense of over yet. And if anything about him away from the sort of opened your eyes versus what your conceptions might have been. Yeah well those are doesn't matter. How many games you played. I think when you meet Joe Ordinary you need Alex Ovechkin for the first time. There's there's a bit of nerves and I mean we're talking about some of the greatest players of all time to play the game. I mean even as a kid Kid Playing Juniors. I mean I was watching. The highlight reels of lovie highlight reels. A jumbo and Very fortunate enough to to play with jumble six years and see the puts in to get himself to the level. He's Outta me. It's No no surprise or fluke that he's he's had so much success and got so many assists and playoffs and gold medals in these types of things and I think for for him. I think that's the one thing that goes. Maybe I don't know so much. I noticed by teammates. But but maybe by by people outside looking in is this guy. He's in there on Christmas Day riding the bike he's bringing this kid's in before after practice and I think for the thing is too. He's he's a leader. He's a guy that it's in the room. He he's playing the right way You know in Washington. They like to play. You know that skilled game but physicality is a big thing. They embrace their He's the guy that when you when you talk about goal scores You know you could argue that. He is the best goal scorer of all time Super Lucky to be part of his seven hundred school game their New Jersey and Seeing the things. But he's a Gamer. He's a guy that wants to win I think he he grouped a lot of people on one in the Stanley Cup. And not just winning but being a big part of this team for for somebody friend and I have to ask you your twenty nine years old and this summer you're supposed to become a USA and so much of the world is unknown right now. So much of the hockey world is unknown right now. We don't even know if he can finish the season but one thing we do know. Is THE SALARY. Cap is probably not going to rise next year like we thought it was going to. Have you thought about how this summer might be a little different than you imagined? In what impact that could have on you will well. Yeah I mean it's it's it's something that I think for a lot of free agency you know. I've seen some things like the Tarantula has been interviewed over the last couple of weeks or You know the other big names like Taylor Hall or Tori crew and these guys that You know in normal a normal year normal salary cap You'd have to think that things would go as per schedule whether they'd re-signed with their teams before his life I or or in that short short window after but There's we don't even really know when when that period's going to start We don't even know if our seasons for over with yet There's just so many. What if an unknown that I think that's as much as it's a big deal to a lot of us? That are free agents That's that's kind of almost the last thing when it comes down to it I mean there's there's all these days between the draft To when we could be playing playoffs if we're GONNA be finishing the regular season and For a guy like myself. Who's WHO's in a new situation getting to know. You know a lot of his teammates. I mean I was funny sharing during a hotel with with Ilya Kovalchuk for those couple of weeks. I mean a lot of us were full for me and him both coming from the West Coast to the east coast You know we talked a little bit about his time in Montreal and you know how much he enjoyed it and for me coming from a team where I was for for a long period of time. there's just You know you don't know how things are going to shake out over the next couple of weeks so Just again trying to stay as best as we can in shape and hopefully we can get this thing plan again. You mentioned I mean your whole year has been probably whiplash for how many things have happened in this past year between what happened in San Jose the trade of the capital's now the season shutting down What we've been asking a lot of players in our conversations in the last few weeks what do you. What do you WanNa see if the season does get restarted? This summer that would make you feel like it's safe enough that your well being has been regarded enough that your loved ones have been considered enough to bring you guys back to the rink. That's a great question. That's that's another one of a kind of what we've been talking about on our NHLPA calls amongst other players In our group chats with the guys You're talking about some players that are nineteen year old single. Guys that are you know have just been gaming for a couple of weeks and and ready to go. And then you're also talking about some players in their mid to late thirties with three kids. That they've Kinda gotta worry about schooling and having them up or whatever it may be with all these different variables guys probably going to be having to travel back from Europe and probably go through a couple week. Quarantine after that and There's just so many variables which kind of seems to be the recurring theme of of when we would be able to get a feel still at this time. A lot of the kind of those decisions are almost above you know the NHL or the NHLPA and kind of even almost above you know. Kinda what what the president or the prime minister thinking. You know this is talking about the center disease control and in what they're feeling is best for countries for the massive amounts of people that this thing has been affecting Anyway I know those talks about you know neutral sade or somewhere where maybe as A little bit of a less potential to get infected or different areas and I think for a lot of players we we WANNA play or were competitive or guys that we've gone through the sixty five seventy games of the injuries and these types of things that trade. Whatever it might be that the DISADVA- chance to play for Stanley Cup. And I'm sure if you ask to toss we would do anything we could to to make it work as a follow up. I remember you were H. L. P. REP. I think for the sharks And being involved with the players association and stuff what's sort of the nuances in deciding what to do with that last paycheck a lot of people that have been following the story from the outside. Look at this. There's a delay for a month and deciding what to do with you. What are the broad strokes of of that decision for for the players to either give away part of all of or none of that last paycheck? Yeah well it's it's something again. We're we're we players understand that go. We're not able to play right now. we also understand right now. We we don't really underst- don't know when when our next game might be You know if things are going to be starting on time hopefully not affecting next year and I think that was was for us as players talking about what's going to be that the escrow impact what's going to be the fan base impact when we come out of this thing our family's GonNa feel safe coming to our games right out of the BAT We're GONNA be able to fill stadiums with with the what are all these different. Variables can affect and I think when it came to this last paycheck We'd been paid the previous one. Which would have been. I guess ended up March in March or April and You know we're really trying to make things work with the owners when it comes to. We understand what's on the horizon within these CBA With you know Don and then Gary talking a lot and it's it's there's just so many so many different things that even even on the NHL NHL PSI. As I said are unable to really see be changed or early. Be talked about when it comes to when we'll be resuming. 'cause we really don't know what's going to happen with this thing here for on the better side of it if it's still going to get any worse so until then we're we're really kind of in the dark friend if you got the email today Nhl Seasons resume. I don't know what you've been doing if you've been rollerblading pelleting us and we'd say you bought a Walmart but how long do you think you would take for you to need to be back on the ice and back in the conditioning program to get in game shape and feel comfortable playing out there? That's that's another million dollar question for a lot of us is. How are the ham you saw the growing is gonNA feel Rusty or the first couple of passes GONNA be These are these are a lot of things that I think. A lot of US players not just in hockey but in in pro sports are kind of in the same boat of trying to find gyms or acceptable works To to keep us in shape to keep us going and I think hockey is one of those unique sports where it doesn't matter how hard you ride the bike. How many runs you do sprints whatever might be. Is nothing like Replicating on Ice Hockey practice or strider game I've had the rollerblades have been ordered Those things have been. They've been as close to a hockey strategy. I guess I can get to for now I've been playing. Nhl On xbox to try and make sure I'm keeping my hands Nice Nice and ready to go and and again. I think it's going to be a couple of weeks thing. I know there was a few few reports out there that it'd probably be at least a two week training program. I think that's the biggest thing is you don't want guys getting rushed back into the Games and you know not being able to perform at their best and There's there's going to be a few guys that have done more over this this last five six weeks and then a few guys that are probably a little less and Coaches are. I'm sure chomping at the bit to be on at us about something so or or we'll be looking forward to it. Awesome for me Brennan. Thanks time today man. How did you get dragged on into Tick Tock World? Yeah well when you spend two to three weeks in a hotel For there's only so many puzzles Netflix. Taking watching do I don't WanNa throw any of the guys under the bus from From the capitals but ticked off with something that was around brigade meals guys were scrolling through and checking them out and I said I don't want to name any names but By the end of it there next thing I knew I was. I'd I'd be brush my teeth in the morning and busting out something in the air and I must have to win the lady for that one but She wrote me into roby into that one and man does that. Take off quick and then I think it's probably GONNA have to be my last with the amount of trips I took from the guys and home so Again it was. It was a short lived dancing crew. But I'll stick the hockey all right. This is my last one. I think fans are carries of how you guys are. Biding your time. Is there been one night that you found yourself watching a show or reading a book. And you're like what the hell am I doing like? How did Allen upon this I think for me? One of the big ones is since I've been back here in San Jose kind of organizing packing up and doing some sort of housing stuff that you know whether that's painting or some sort of little mini reservation. Reservations started renovations and the next thing. I knew I found a couple of Disney songs being blasted thing and I think I had to go on for at least an hour. And I'd like singing. Along for these little rosen or like a lot in or lion king things and I'm like Oh boy. What have you gotten into and again? I'm sure there's a lot of other worse better things that people have gotten into but I definitely had to change the channel. And get my sanity back. After that Brennan Inada played an audience for Disney Company. We appreciate you. I appreciate it guys. Thanks for your time. Best of luck to this and we can't wait to see back on the ice whenever that is thanks. Correct our thanks to Brennan Dylan of the capital's briefly for his time and talking about a great many things Brendan's at home as are many of us probably tune in Washington TV millions upon millions tuned into the last dance the Michael Jordan documentary as we're calling. It's really about the Chicago Bulls but it's mostly about Jordan this weekend. Espn different parts. We airing each week and it was nostalgia city. I mean it was great. It was great to revisit. Those Bulls teams is great to revisit. The nineties in many ways. Good Times for me look. It was incredible because as everyone knows I live in Chicago but I have not lived here long and I didn't live here then to see the city and what that meant was really neat. I also born in the early nineties so a lot of this is new to me because I wasn't consuming. Nba Games in pop culture. Then just the suits they were wearing. They were listening to that was awesome. But yeah it got us a lot talking about gold status and the step-up for me and I just. I had to tweet it on Monday because I was just so shocked by it. But there's one seen in the documentary where Michael Wilbon is trying to explain. Michael Jordan. Anything like he's on the Mount Rushmore. We've only like a few people mohammad-ali being one of them and Babe Ruth being the other. It is kind of wild. That Wayne Gretzky isn't mentioned in this conversation because at the time that Wayne Gretzky had retired which was nineteen ninety. Nine hundred twenty. Nine years ago he owned or shared sixty one and H. L. official records twenty one years of past. He is still the odor of sixty. Nhl Record that is insane dominance. That's incredible that's absolute credible. I I do wonder about that. I mean in growing up. There were a few goats. I think most people would say Muhammad Ali. I think a lot of people would say Palay for soccer grown up the NBA. I think changed because for a while it was probably wilt Chamberlain and then it became Jordan and I do wonder what this documentary does to his goat status reaffirms that in an era where people look at Kobe and look at Lebron and start comparing what they did to what Jordan did. And when he was football Greg Greg. I don't know if you know this but we do that every single day on. I take that happens football I mean. I don't know if there was an established goat for football. I mean I guess it was Montana and then it'd be unfortunately became Brady as I say that as a jets fan but hockey it was it. I grew up in an era where Gordy Howe was surpassed by Gretzky and. It wasn't even a conversation to be had. That Gretzky was the default setting great of all time in hockey. Now what's happened? That's interesting with Gretzky and that status I think is that the game has changed so remarkably since his era. I there might not be another guy. I mean talking about the game play itself not like the outside forces like integration of baseball for example but the game play itself has changed so dramatically in the in the NHL that what Gretzky achieved during his career. I think through a certain modern filter gets diminished. A little bit because people know what goal is look like now and how they play defensive systems the number of teams the talent level overall in the League where. You don't have guys who can't skate on the fourth line anymore. That just there to throw punches. The game has changed so dramatically that I feel like his goats. Status has sort of changed with that. I agree that I feel like people are putting too many qualifiers on it. It's a different era. He played now. There's no way he would've been that productive and let's be honest. We have no way of telling that we do know that he dominated in the construct of the game. That was on this time. And that's all he could do now was really interesting is all the reason we're bringing. Gretzky up of course because he's been in the spotlight lately and he's been really vocal about Alex Ovechkin chasing his record. They've developed this pretty adorable relationship where they're pretty abusive of each other and their praise. They met for dinner for the first time in Malibu a couple years ago and now they did their first joint interview. This Monday with Catherine happen on Wednesday again. When you're listening to this they're going to be playing video games against each other on the twits channel. I'm everyone should tune into that because I have no idea what it's going to look like. All of that. Said Gretzky says that when he was chasing Gordy House Record Gordy. Howe was on the road traveling and going to be there to support him on one thousand nine hundred four and he wants to do the exact same thing for Obama and and that will join the seven hundred club this season. He is one hundred. Eighty eight games shy of Gretzky. Everyone believed it was inevitable. If ovechkin maintains his career pace zero point six three games points per game. He'll catch him in three hundred nine games. It's roughly four seasons if he dips down to a half a goal per game. That's probably five seasons. Do you think the pandemic affects this? Do you think that all the sudden we lose a half a season? Dow We'll vs lost a couple seasons because of lockouts and then maybe next season doesn't start on time and maybe he didn't get his regular training regiment in. Is there any chance that this is? What prevents them from from reaching them? I mean it could. I mean depending on what he comes back as next year. I mean the interruption training. I think it's going to affect a lot of people and I feel like Alex really has more of a handle on that now than the than he's ever had before as an old player Olympic Jackson say yeah. He's the only player that I know that as this personal trainer living with him right now exactly exactly so in theory he should be all right. It does suck that he's lost games. It's not necessarily on the level of the Games that younger younger lost. For example who I think would assaulted a number of Gretzky records had it not been for lockouts and in his pilgrimage to Russia for a few years. But I do believe I've long believed Ovechkin is going to break the record. I still think he will. I hope he does because I think it's more for the NHL that happens. The bigger question of course is you know Kennedy wing risky and a video game on the capital which channel Wednesday night and my favorite thing. I've heard this week or some- TJ Osi. Who was asked? What's going to happen when they play a video game together and are they doing the controllers? Are they playing against each other? Because I feel like lovie plays more video games so I'm going to give him the nod. Yeah I think so too. I don't think Wayne Gretzky is sitting on his couch playing. Nhl Twenty a lot. But he's got his nineteen year old son joining him back. Is he going to be a ringer though? Or is Dad GonNA play. That's the question. Is it going to be like one of these gretzky's on camera flipping buttons but not actually playing? Because his son's next to him actually playing the game the great thing would be. I think it's a son Tristan who's playing. But what are they going to other on actually under the couch like they have? Kristen Ariza Decoy doing it. That's the question I have. And the other thing is lovie says that he plays a lot of video games but NHL's not really game of choice. I think it's you know some other games. He feels like the guy a guy called duty. all right all right dollars to donuts right now. Who's WHO's hockey's goat? Is it still Gretzky? Oh one hundred percent I e NHL records back. And I think best player of all time in greatest player of all time honestly or two different discussions. I think Mary was the best player of all time. I think Gretzky could be the greatest player of all time in the totality of impact on the sport. But if we're doing an all time draft everything being equal everybody being healthy I take Mario but I think that you can't deny Gretzky's greatness. I mean it's in the nickname when it comes to his his impact on the sport so I think he goes on the Mount Rushmore. Greatest of all time even think Maria's better player like all right next guest. It's Marissa and Jimmy. Talk about a great many things and now joining us on. The line is a great friend of the program. She is an incredible reporter. She covers women's hockey as well as anybody. She covered the Bruins. The Boston Herald. It's worth in Jimmy and Mersa. You're twenty three years old and you were killing it on the NHL beat and obviously this pandemic has affected so many different industries including journalism Just tell our listeners. A little bit about what happened to you and what you're up to now. Yeah so when the pandemic started I was in buffalo for the Bruins and then it became clear. They weren't gonNA play their game. I went home and then was in quarantine. I'm on day. Forty one fourteen hour. I haven't left my apartment building and that was fine for those just writing about stuff. I was writing about the Bruins or working on stories about td garden employees writing about the Boston. Pride in the WHOL and one morning. I was actually working on a figure skating story because I was trying to get innovative and write about different topics than just kind of try to be invaluable to the company and I woke up and had voice fails to call back and I called back in. My position was eliminated Which isn't fun especially during a pandemic. Because I can't just go and have places to hire me now because they're all like well there's a pandemic which makes a lot of sense So it's been weird not having job after getting really comfortable to beat and really enjoying it and loving life and It's still tough to think about. That's not what I am anymore but just trying to plug away and right where. I can for now I was going to say. How did you cope? I mean did you. Have you reached me? You See. You're not the only writer to unfortunately get affected by this. Have you reached out to other folks that are in the same same boat? Yeah I talked to a lot of people. People who got laid off at the Herald sports writers that other publications and it's tough for everyone and I feel fortunate to be in circumstances where I'm relatively okay. I can freelance. I can make some sort of an income eligible for unemployment and right now that huge. Because I'm the timing weird because I freelance before. I've never had a stable job until I worked at the Herald. I was freelancing over one hundred hours a week writing anywhere. That would take me for a while so in some ways. It isn't new. What is new places that were automatic? Yes in the past. Just don't have the budget After working to herald working on a beat for a year and a half. I would've felt confident that I could approach some other places than being trusted and talking and now they just can't So that's the tough part. That's tougher everyone. Is that people who are qualified. People who are journalists. Can't find work because of where we're at Gary Parties. We don't know if any of those jobs are going to come back but nonetheless. She persisted and your freelance writing. You're still reporting And what are the issues that come up is the? Who which El Nino? If our listeners haven't followed the whol Mersa covers them so well that they actually had her present. What was it the MVP award at All Star Game? Is that what you yet? Ulster in Bufton yeah Which is incredible. But they've now maybe by the time that you listen to this podcast will have announced that. They're going to expand Toronto. Just what do you think that means for the League? And what was your reaction when you heard that? Yeah I mean it's good for them to expand especially at a time where not many things expanding at all This has been in the works for a little bit. And it kind of started to come together to me. The most fascinating elements of it is digit Murphy involvement. She's going to be the president of the team and she's someone who hasn't been very pro and whol over the years. He was very involved in whol. Had her own rivalry with Sandy Ryland whol commissioners so to me. That's what stands out the most. Because she can kind of be a bridge between the end whol and the WHO vehemently do not support the end whol so I think it's a positive for illegal roll bringing in five players four of which we're in the P. W. H. P. A. Three of them were all of them. Had Been in two feet whol in the past So just the lack of animosity between several groups involved is a good sign for women's hockey and expansions always good. You're even number of teams now having a Canadian presence. Where if primarily been an American League Overall it's good news for the League and For their future another league hates them. We discuss the League in aggregate and not talk about like the Games and the athletes. But it's sort of unavoidable topic when when when the NWEA Chelsea constantly in the news and constantly a point of controversy. And I was always wondering about you. I mean you. You wrote very challenging stories and very important stories about women's hockey and the battle lines are so drawn. When it comes to the end of your. Hdl What were your experiences like dealing with. That fallout especially on social media. When you would report on women's hockey and maybe you know the story is going one way or another and the readers want you to go to different way. Yeah it's a tough balance. I mean like anything else. You don't want to annoy the people you're writing about because air your sources there who were giving you story there who you're talking to and you rely on them Continue to produce work especially quality work and have access So it's probably the tough balance especially in something like women's hockey where there is a notably large mob on social media. Ready not you no matter what. You say People WanNA designate side for you. So if you write something that's like Oh the end. Whol actually isn't the worst thing on the face of the earth. Everyone will tell you. You're pro in whol. Whatever that means. If you right Oh I think that this thing the end whol is doing as bad. I mean if you're pro W. H. P. A. or whatever it's tough there is when you accidentally draw a line in the sand like that some people who are giving you access also by and believe that so it's a tough balance especially in something As Niche as tight as women's hockey is used to cover lacrosse like for a long time. And it's very similar energy so I feel like assume that they started covering women's hockey a lot. Kind of like okay. Well I know how this works. Everyone's going to be mad at you all the time So you might as well just say the truth and say what people are telling you. I feel fortunate because I'm at Games a lot the Boston pride play fifteen minutes from where I live. I can walk down the street and go there whenever I want so I've had a presence there. I've worked Indian whol doing play by play I covered them for. Espn W actually for a while. Also I feel like I've been kind of lucky that my presence being around there has maybe made some people more lenient when I do have some more scathing stories here and there but It's a very tough talent than I know. A lot of people will cover women's hockey. Have that trouble to resolve your firstly officially the first guest in ESPN on history was mentioned. Lacrosse energy. That is a firm because John Johnson. Farris has never been on. I don't believe waiting cross energy But yeah six gears the Bruins for you know we've mentioned you're so young came on the beaten did a great job and you travel so much and you don't usually when I talk to beat writers especially ones that are just breaking in. They mentioned that there's usually one coach or one player. That really made them feel comfortable. That maybe you know one above and beyond and explaining a play to them or being available. Was there anything like that for you in the Bruins? Anyone who really embraced. You really got along really well with the young guys. We're kind of around my age. Charlie mcevoy literally lived on my floor in college and I'm not sure he even knows out remember that he mentioned the dorm he lived in and I had to go back and listen to the audio and I was like. Oh that's exactly where I lived on okay So he was always nice to me because we could talk about the U. and stuff Jacob wrestled amazing One of my favorite memories actually like covering the team they always had this Holiday Shopping Walmart And I covered it and nominee other writers would go to it for the kind of a promotional thing but you can get the players in some different accents and I went there this year in November and there were like security trying to keep Fans away and stuff that I'd be going at the players because they knew just talking about. Hey which way did you like. The kid and I was talking to Jacob. Rough two with one of the interviews on the team and one of the nicest guys ever and like. We're talking about POKEMON and store. It never got to do which I'm really annoyed about. Because I love wholesome on and Security Guy came up to me for third time like hey stopped her asking the players you have to go and he liked it up for me. And he's like wait. No she covers the team and I always remember that he could have just like told me to leave him alone to like wanted to talk and be nice and like the security guard backed off after that but the rest of the day so that kind of stands out but those guys specifically depressed mcevoy were great to me. Do you think we did a rewatch of the last episode of the Cup between the Blues and Bruins last post season. Do you think the bruins would have been back in the final or could be back in the final if we restart the season because Kinda seem like they are built that way. I don't know if there was the magic there. There was last season. Maybe you can. You can testify to that or not but if If we completed the season we complete the season. Would it shock you to see the Bruins play for the Cup again? Heading that way I mean the last game they played they shutout Philly. They broke their nine game. Winning streak took place. That's talkie ever so last ruin story I wrote before the pandemic was how raft should be candidate and it was kinda getting overlooked a little bit. David Pasternack. Who's GonNa hit fifty goals Birger on was going to reach his career? High and goal. Are they have so many guys playing so well? Marcia had an outside shot at getting one hundred points again Brandon Carlo is gonNA come back from injury. It looks like they really did have the pieces to make another run and it's weird like last year. There was a point in like February when during Vegas where I was like. Oh this team. Has They have that special magic feeling kind of a team that can make a run for the cup and this kind of felt like they were the same group they had to fame just like mindset not to repeat the same word but the same energy. The difference was what we were seeing at. The end of last year was happening at the beginning of this year. Because you were already so cohesive They already had all that. Chemistry worked out even though they had a ton of injuries last year and hunter injuries this year. It just seemed like everyone was well prepared so it seemed like they were On pace to make another run and if hockey resumes again it's tough to say where everyone's going to pick up at different points in Tampa would have stamkos back presumably Different things there'd be different factors but it seemed like if things were going to Continue the pace they were. They had a good shot. All right. Finally. We'd be remiss if we didn't ask you about the biggest sports story of the day you're in Boston. Rob Gronkowski is going to Tampa Bay to join Brady. What is it the Brady things? Obviously we've been playing out in Boston for the last few weeks. I mean you you add this on top of that. What is what is sports culture in Boston? Say at this point about that reunion. Is everybody turning in their new spooky patriots gear for Tampa gear at this point. Everyone I know is a reasonable person and is like well. The Patriots won a lot like yeah now stuff going to happen. Fine I mean that's how I feel about it like I got to see them a ton I think it would be kind of funny to see them just be like the editor Awhile Kind of looking forward to us but it's New England or is going to be like reaction. I haven't seen any Jersey burnings yet but also it just happened such A. WWe feel to demand a trade. Go play with your old teammate. But it ground so I guess make sense and he does have to give up the twenty four seven title that he wanted Wrestlemainia. I think by virtue of returning football tackle on him should get developed. Perfect Marissa's thank you so much for joining us on. Espn and ice and continued trudging along. You're super talented writer. You wrote important different stories and someone's GonNa value that and you're going to be back in time and I have to say that one more plug. Where can our listeners? Get them worth in Jimmy Energy and follow your work for now. I'm writing for the Metro West Daily News in Framingham Massachusetts. So a lot of local stuff. Some bruins stuff here and there. Some pride stuff and The Ice Garden at SP nation for women's hockey awesome awesome. Thank you so much. Thank you thanks. Marissa for joining us on this podcast and if you need a hockey raider higher scrape now. It's time for our time for a very different look at the media. It's your favorite segment of the week. Kessel hotdogs now. He does not love to eat hot dogs we looked at sad hyperbole and straight narratives immediately gave kettles hot dogs we look at the purposely missteps and mistakes of the hockey media. I will preface this. By saying I like Rob Gronkowski think we've had beers in the road. The Edmonton Sun is not my favorite. Take of his on bill. Peters who was recently hired to be a head coach and the Continental Hockey League in Russia quote. It's good to see former flames coach. Bill Peters getting an opportunity to coach again in the Cage L. It's the first step in getting his life back together after some pretty ugly mistakes earlier in his career. Everyone deserves a second chance to prove that. Sometimes good people do bad things that they should be forgiven if they show genuine. Remorse truly change their ways and use their experience to teach others. Let's hope Peter's checks all those boxes. Well here's the thing. I agreed with certain extent I do tend to believe that maybe that contrition should last. Maybe more than the five months that it's been since he resigned from the planes. I also think that genuine remorse is a debatable topic when it comes to Bill Peters who never really acknowledged the damage he did to. Akeem. Allu- never really acknowledge the accusations that he did things behind the scenes to harm lose career. I mean at one point said I didn't actually say the N. Word anybody in particular because he was talking about you know the music so while I agree with a lot of what rob's saying here the showing genuine remorse part is the part. I'm struggling with emily when it comes to celebrating the second chance of one. Bill Peters like I said I think we've got to wait and see. He can do his press conference where he can save the correct things that his agents lawyer told him to say but you need to see the body of work all right some listener mail. Sarah wants to know her. A Fourth Jersey program appears to be in the works. I have not heard about that. Do you like this idea. Any thoughts on what team? What teams would need a fourth? I think the bigger question here. Emily for both of us. Do you like third jerseys. Ooh Yeah I love their jerseys all Jersey's one of the games that we watched For the viewers club. The penguins were way a home white and it just felt so different and uniquely gave them a whole different feel so I love when teams just kind of switch up. There look like that. So Yeah Plus. It sells more merchant. We know the NHL needs money right now. They should get an Ninth Jersey at this point. Just try up some money. But I gotTA BE ASKED. You I I do like third jerseys. I think some are better than others. I do like third jerseys. That are a bit more out of the box than simply variations on a theme. I am though the always been very happy in some ways that the devils have resisted the Siren Song of a Third Jersey. Now they're Chris Jersey. I don't consider to be a third jersey. That's just one they take off. They could have stuck. Satan's face on the front of a Jersey and made it all black and made it real cool and heavy metal and they probably would have been able to pay checks contract with the money they made but they've always resisted because Lou Lamoriello back in the day his whole thing was. Let's be the Canadians and Montreal. Never had a third Jersey per se. They had some heritage jerseys here and there but never had a third Jersey and so I've always appreciated the devils slavish commitment to trying to be traditional team and respect the Jersey that I think carries a lot of gravitas to it. That said you know given the current circumstances like I said Tenth Jersey's Eleventh Jersey's just all reader and can we get her Intel on this Fourth Jersey program that was checking the twitter feed and I didn't see anything about it but I mean they're pretty tight end so I'm assuming it's going to happen Michael Palmer also wanted to know what's been worse color covering a lockout or covering a pandemic now. I covered covered two lockouts and the first one. I was still at the newspaper so I wasn't really like knocked out by it. I did have a book. Deal pulled sucked but then the other lockout. I was at Yahoo and there's some similarities in the idea of like you're working every day to find some crumbs of information about what could happen but I think more than anything else. The difference is that it's not simply just like. Hey Are you playing in Europe right now or whatever it's like hey how are you handling this global pandemic and so there's like a a wealth of other reporting? That can be done that. You can't be done in a typical work. Stoppage I think would be the difference for me. This is my first pandemic end lack at. I'd like it to be my last all right. Let's go to puck headlines. Dateline Dateline Winnipeg. The sad ordeal between the Winnipeg jets and dust and buffalo has come to an end. They've terminated his contract that they have and this is a longtime coming from when he didn't report to training camp in September two reportedly weighing retirement to the issue that was over his ankle and whether he needed surgery. Not even though he was cleared at the end of the year by their doctors and his end of year physical. It's sad if this is the last. We've seen of big buff. Because I know he still had it in him game wise when he's healthy he's incredible to watch one of my favorite favorite images of the twenty thousand nine play. Offs is him. Dragging those two players from the Vegas Golden Knights out of the scrum like he was a bouncer ethic club with one on either hand like that was pure entertainment. He's such a joy to watch. It's like I said it's sad to see it end like this. I'd be shocked if we see him playing another uniform even though he is technically a USA right now. It does sound like Sound like it might be the end of the for buff and again like thinking back to ten years ago and his impact for the Blackhawks as a force of nature in front of the net for that championship team. Something Awesome Dateline Columbus. Here's a story. None of us knew what was happening. Mckell Grigor Ranko was signed by the Columbus Blue Jackets and then the contract was rejected by the NHL because violated terms the collective bargaining agreement article. Fifty Point Eight Says No club or player may enter into a standard players contract that does not cover at the then. Current League year the foregoing does not apply to a contract entered into pursuant to section. Here's what you gotTa know. This whole thing of the says the contract he signed is no good and then the NHL said the contract is no good then Columbus anger. Ranko are just GonNa have to wait until free agency starts to actually sign this contract but it was a big surprise. Total name of the past from the Buffalo sabres spent three years playing in Russia and as soon as his contract was up the club. The Blue Jackets have been looking at him for a couple of years. Said he come on. Come join the team. What I find interesting is does feel like there's a big rush of players from the Cage L. who are coming to North America. When I went over there correal Capris off is going to sign with the Minnesota Wild I. I think it's just a matter of inevitabilities at this point. Ilias Sarokin is allegedly going to sign with the New York Islanders. And they were expected. But there's a couple of guys that are unexpected like him and I wonder if you know what taking a huge hit right now oil. What fuels the cage Shell oil? Maybe the finances are drying up there a little bit and they realized that they can get paid over here and it's better many interesting dateline. The devils are frontier run of the athletic reports that the devils have interviewed Gerard Gallant for their head. Coaching position currently owned by Elaine Nezar Dean on an interim basis. Everything's going to be in the midst of this. They they like him. I don't know how much they like them. But you know glancing at the name that's in in some demand we've talked about on the show before how the Dallas Stars might be in the drug business. If in fact they decide to bring men. Because he's got this relationship with Jim nill and Rick bowness probably isn't GONNA BE BACK. Minnesota's and other possibility billy Garin played for Gladwin. Glenn was an assistant coach with the islanders. As you know the entire leagues built on nepotism and relationships so these are the things that were drawn. Heck if we're doing that Detroit for many many years and was a former teammate. Of Steve Eisman should probably be mentioned as well but interesting. Move for the dubs. I if it ends up being land I mean. That's that's a team. That's an eclair rebuild. I think he probably has other opportunities to get closer to winning a cup. Then are the devils. But but doing their due diligence during the lockout. The lockdown Gert Jordan Gland is the first coach to get fired on tarmac and hired the zoom. That's right we should mention that. Zoom was where the we assume zoom as. How're the devils? Are doing some of these interviews with coaches. They're looking at dateline. Tj Oh she's house speaking of zoom the capital's forwards call with reporters was interrupted by his adorable daughters a few times including one time in which is daughter had to run over and tell her dad. The Red Colored Pencil is for blood. Okay you mentioned daughter but I think anyone who knows. Yoshi family and I have admitted to. Tj Oh she stock his wife a lot on instagram. Because I'm obsessed with his family. It was Lenny. And if you don't know any ocean you just need a google her because she knows amazing. Cherubic child you'll ever see so that's all I gotta say. It was a fantastic call. Finally Dateline pause viewers guide as you know every Tuesday. Emily and I are looking back at a hockey thing for watching it and we're breaking it down on. Espn DOT COM. Last week was an awesome thirty for thirty on John. Spanos this week. It was a another hockey thing. The quest for the cup. I'm sorry the quest for the Stanley Cup full title on. Espn plus documentary series. It's been on for a long time. Was Twenty four seven on. Hbo Has Been The quest with a couple of other networks with a couple of our network and it was the Bruins and Blues Games. Five through seven were covered in that episode. And I'd never seen it before. Had you seen it before? I don't think so. I think at this point when it was released. I was so conked out on like I'm good. I don't need any more of this. What did you think looking back at it? I'll say the one thing that stuck out for me was the Patrice Bergeron stuff like I know. He's well respected. I know he plays the game right and young players. Look up to him. Be Like if I'M GONNA be a star center in this league better. Play like Patrice Bergeron. Dude was like Vince. Lombardi behind the scenes man. Get these inspirational speeches to the BRUINS. I never. I never realized he was that guy behind. Closed Doors Yeah. That was awesome. You know the coolest parts of these are the little glimpses the little moments that you get in the locker room you get snippets of things that are said on the ice. Everyone's miked up That was one of the coolest and then the creativity and the bombs. There were so many F. bombs and that was a great category we came up with. Which was the most creatively used? And you'll have to check out our starring. Espn DOT com to see what we picked. Brilliant stuff all right everybody. That's a show for this week. Boy Was it a good one. Thanks to Brennan Dylan the capitals. Thanks to Jimmy You could follow obviously offer writing on on the twitter machine and thanks to all of you for listening to check out our work at ESPN DOT com returning out things. Every single day for you. Monday is the day for the big roundup of Cove Nineteen News with when it comes to the NHL Restarts Corentin all that Jive. If you've been somebody who's been dabbling and in sports news here and there because you're dealing with other stuff it's a good way for you to catch up on everything that's going on and then also for me. Checkup puck soup. Another podcast says the naughty words and you can follow me on twitter. At 'em Kaplan thanks so much for listening bye. 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On The 2014 WCF, Top 5 TV Shows & Post Season Awards

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On The 2014 WCF, Top 5 TV Shows & Post Season Awards

"You're listening to an LA kings podcast for more episodes of this and every other kings program visit L. A. Kings Dot com slash podcast. Jim I shaved for the first time in four days and it was weird. It was it was okay to just like you know let it go and then I shape averse time and it's it's just wow it's I didn't remember what it was like almost to be clean shaven and halfway presentable about you. Yeah I've been I've been I've been doing the same type of thing you know every two or three days four days depending on what's going on of course the the virtual games we've been doing all have to get on camera so that. Kinda makes the shave necessary although I've seen my partner unshaven announced so just just trying to keep it clean as possible. What is the longest you've been without shaving. Yeah I'd say I'd say probably about three weeks. That's a while ago now. But that's that's a while ago because that's when after three weeks at came in normal taller not white. Another white stay weight from an opera was. That was that in the playoff run. Where were you were growing it out? Unfortunately when I was in the playoffs Oh you know what we did we did. Do the twelve right. Yeah I was like right up tops in the league raising money so that was good. But it's your even back then. It was less gray and more natural. Now it's more white. Yeah yeah well. I assume that both of us have been doing a lot of TV watching and trying to keep talk a little bit here. I go I have to know. What are you watching right now? I'm watching right now. A rerun. I just finished the last night of the first series of deadwood in. I don't know if you're familiar with that serious. I've never heard of. It went away after about three years and it seemed they came back and did a movie but it sounded like to what I remember it was in the cast was in some type of contractual issues. It was an HBO series. It was about to just the new settlement starting up in the territories before the united before I think it was in the DAKOTAS before they came no actual states and territories and very very rough language. Very rough his wife was you've seen but I think that the characters in the development and again a little bit of history much like I liked historical novels reading. It's it's a TV series that brings you back to the old West so to speak and help people had to. You're just forming a new little town new settlement and how it came together so I've seen it the whole series before but I was. I really liked it so I'm going back to that now and that's what I just finished it last night so season we finished here in imply a we finished bosh season one on Amazon prime. And I I gotta say like a one thing that I love to do is watch for watch shows or movies based on places that I currently live or used to live in so I used to love watching New York based stuff and then Austin Bay stuff and I just got into Bosch and it's Great. It's very much l. a. It is real L. A. It's not like you know these stages and You know I know you watch. Ncis and whatnot but this. This feels gritty unreal. It's a detective show on Amazon prime. I highly recommended for anyone. Who's interested in kind of procedural stuff? That's a little bit darker and a little bit more involved. I highly recommend it. Now we've been talking back and forth last couple days of like stuff. Classic shows to watch so I gotTa know what your top five right now. Top Five shows go five. Shows go deadwood number five okay? So that's up there seinfeld number four. We have one in common. You go star trek the original car track number three. These are the voyages of the starship. Enterprise their five year mission to explore strange new worlds new lighter civilizations talking. Good lull man has gone before that is gosh. My number three number two the Sopranos k the number and C I S. I had a feeling you were going to say that. You're addicted to that show. It's a complete. It's a complete formula show. I mean the the the episode. The formula really doesn't change episode to episode but I think they've taken strides on. Know How they chill officer characters which I think other shows do not do on basis where to know becomes predictable I think the general themes are morals to the stories in the episodes and then just to me. Of course it's based on the navy and The scene shows they do every once in a while. That shows the respect and honor for our military all together and put together something. I find very entertaining to Nation to do that show quite a lot. I will say yeah. It's IT'S AGAIN. It's a lot of it you know. Gibbs's rules who's got fifty one out yet fifty. He's got one one rolls. Follow the rules. All right I'm GONNA give you my top five there. You Go Seinfeld. Oh you could pick up a random episode and not care what season. What happened the episode? Before just you just pick it up whenever the West Wing which is starting to show its age a little bit but still really watchable on net flicks. Narcos I the first two seasons. I need to watch the third. I need to watch narcos Mexico. I'm behind on that but I love the first two seasons. We both agree on that. Just finished Mark Alarcon's Mexico just finished it it's I think it keeps getting better. And then I've got the first two seasons of House of cards oneidas felt like it kind of went went off a cliff after that and then my ultimate guilty pleasure was twenty. Four ended on a cliffhanger every single week it was just it was completely farcical. Sometimes the plotlines and the twists and the turns and Jack. Bauer just asking. Where's the bomb all that stuff but it was totally my guilty pleasure? I haven't seen breaking bad. I haven't Seen Madman. It's probably on the list to try out during this little run. But that's my top five the house of cards thing there's a comparison to me with the NCIS in that how you know. The surprises of people being killed off that. That really get you now again. Ncis they just. I what I was. I signed up to go to their four hundred episode celebration but it was obviously had to be canceled mutton. So there's there's a lot of things but yeah with the House of cards did at a couple of years was very impressive between all of that. I think we've got a fair amount of viewer recommendations for TV shows. So what do you say we we dive right in and start the podcast? Shall we got it all right? Let's rock and roll all right. It is Fox and Faust podcast from the Mark Hardy podcast law in Playa Vista California. And from which. Where are you at in Redondo Beach? Jim I'm at the Patrick. O'neal oh my gosh. You Know Joe in beautiful redone Jimmy. I broke stub penalty you. He's been begging. He's been begging for a mention but he said yesterday he didn't want to be mentioned. So that's exactly why. What added exactly all right. Why don't we dive right in here? Coming up I WANNA hit on a couple of topics here One of the series that we saw on rerun this week from NBC Kings Blackhawks in twenty fourteen. That you told me. I don't know how many times the best playoff series you've ever seen Gretzky eight. Oh two that happened this week back about a quarter century ago and then maybe a little bit of a diving into award season We've got a couple of Thoughts on if the season were to end today. Who would you pick for each award? But I want to start with Earlier this week For that playoff series. I like I found myself watching it again and I. I'm not that big into watching classic games when they come on. But I I couldn't help but be sucked into game seven Kings Blackhawks two thousand fourteen. And I had to go back and rewatch a whole bunch of the rest of the games that series because so much of what the you know the the the lore around that run was okay. Twenty Fourteen and aimed at twenty twelve. The kings were stalwart. Defensive Team Lock it down. Excellent goaltending quick wins the Conn. Smythe but that was a high scoring series. You had five four six two. You had high scoring games in that series and game. Seven was no exception to that. What were your takeaways from that that series? That's I mean the way explained it before. Is that the two thousand twelve Stanley Cup. Kimmy defended their way the two thousand fourteen. They scored their way. I mean they had to score way more than they ever expected to. I assume they'd go back and say okay. Yeah they created some offense off of solid defense but just in that series to me. The nature was this and Kion who he went. When you tweeted out it was GONNA be on. John was one of the gentlemen working producing the post game show for Chicago at the time we shared the same truck so during the gins during the Chicago series. I would be in the truck in because all I'm doing is preparing for the posting. Then I'd be putting together clips and pulling clips of what we're gonNA show later and kion was producing for the Chicago. So we're in the same truck rolling no Through the first six games back and forth worth just at each other or ripley were back and forth where Chirpin we're GONNA win this they're gonna go back and forth but the way the series developed it seems like whoever took leads in. Games ended up losing the game so I I'll never forget in game seven early on Chicago takes lead and then I think it was Patrick. Sharps KNUCKLEBALL GOAL. That regained a two-goal lead for them and it was just after the kings were getting back in boom. This weird shot should have gone in but knuckled and it was weird and dipped about two feet completely fluky goal and early in the first six games. Now we'd be kion would be all over me. He'd be the he did not say a word and I was doing the thing I mean it got to the point where you just. Whoever you thought was going to win ended up losing in that series. They knew to keep their lips shut because the kings came back ultimately to win the game. But that that was it just the back and forth nature and yesterday was fills the physicality to but I would have to say the free flowing nature of that back and forth action and I know I've described the way I've described as the most exciting series I've ever seen. I've heard that from people that have no contact with the Hawks for the kings and they feel the same way I will say just watching that one game and the you know watching back highlights of the other games in that series. I I might just sit down and watch and almost do like a film study of the whole thing because we hear so often about the new. Nhl Right that it's high scoring and up tempo and whatnot and that series belts a lot like what we're hearing today that it was free flowing not that there was a poor defensive coverage it was just it was a high quality series there was a lot of quality scoring chances in that series and no disrespect to either teams defense. 'cause they got their based on defense. I was impressed. I was impressed. By how pence of those teams were and I feel like the Kings. Got A bad rap. Those years. Well they didn't score. They defended. They could score their way through games. Plenty twenty-five now. They had a good. They had been the thing about the Kings Lois series. I go back to the Blue Line. And how each pair seem to have stayed home? Guy Offense guy so that guy just opened up the offense of guy that offensive guy. Whichever was they just went so there was a four man atop was never just three it was four and again the team was built that way specifically to to give the green light to that demand but in a You've heard me say before. With Jeff Carter. I thought the best player in that series. The the room that was available Blue Line to blue line was was a little bit more wide open than most playoff series. In if you get that room to build up speed then you're and you know the game winning goal. Jeez if I can remember correctly not I remember if I'm not mistaken. Dustin Brown jumping off the bench in being the first man. In on the four check to the end up creating the loose puck Connecticut's back from our tennis and stolen front and all that stuff but just the explosive. These guys were going a hundred miles an hour and they were all out. Not that created the temple for the series that create with all the physicality with all the great goaltending with all the activation offensive and it was just the overall temple than the speed at which does games were played at by the way. If you missed it kings fans. It'll be on again this Sunday on. Nbc `Send Game Seven of between the Blackhawks and the kings are also showing a couple of other kings related things. The outdoor game I believe is taking place this week in. Maybe after. We taped this podcast. But they've done and they also have that wired series which is pretty cool from that so Kings Plus Fox. Sports West is is basically re airing the seven game win streak as it happened over the next couple of weeks so Check your listings on Fox Sports West for that as well? One one more Alex just yet. Yeah Game Six at Staples Center and just you can't have a great series without two teams. Patrick Kane took over that game. I mean the kings the lead he singlehandedly. Just every time he had the puck he controlled an especially in third period. He was so instrumental so just just how rape players elevate their game. This week is also a historical week in terms of Wayne Gretzky eight. Oh two passing gory. How to become league's all time goal score? This happened twenty six years ago this week. It was inevitable that this was going to happen and Gordy. Howe was in attendance and Commissioner. Was there what. What are your memories from that day? Jim and you know I I know that the the line I I love the line that Bob Miller us on this Wayne Gretzky's record book complete right. He had everything that you could possibly have. And this completed at all what. What are your memories from that day but again it it's as you mentioned. The surrounding factor was. We knew it was going to happen. Obviously you can't pick the exact moment but you know you know what's going to happen so they're not as much suspense in the lead up to it so when I look at it the it was more the broadcast effect anyhow as he analyst. I mean I had to make sure that I'm Bob asked me to. Should every time Wayne got on the ice? I was two point down to the ice just to just to alert Bob that he's out there just to make sure and then for me. It's make sure I'm not even close to talking when Wayne's kidding it's coin position you just you know. We all have roles right and your roles in your area. Call the goals. Bob's every once in a while it happens five times a year seven times a year where the dumb analyst is talking when a goal goes in the net usually offer weird turnover. Something happens weird. Hit something ago than your continental. You can't get out and then you screw up the call so that was in the back of my mind. So I was learning Bob to make sure he knew it lands on the ice and then basic silence from me the rest of that way to make. Sure Not GonNa Talk. If Wayne's going to score the goal now it was a fifteen minute ceremony. That took place now. This is right in the middle of the game. This this halted the game Like has there ever been a scenario? That your mind where this might happen again. I mean maybe when I if if I should say even though I've got going on whether ovechkin passes Gretzky in terms of total goals but I'm like that's the only other thing I can think of. That would pause a hockey game for a ceremony in the middle of it. We've seen it in baseball with home. Run Chases in a little bit easier to pause a baseball game. You're stopping a hockey game for a ceremony for fifteen minutes. If I'm not mistaken. They did it for Gretzky's point total team they did. Yeah so that was what Hank Aaron that you know. That's the one I remember you more than the the recent you know. He ended the game right. I'm not mistaken so or maybe not. I remember fans jumping on the field so it might not a person here wasn't alive. I remember that Yeah that's that's an interesting. So that's yeah. It's I think it had to be done. I don't think anyone had a problem with it. Especially because it's so interesting to me. That Wayne's idol was Gordie Howe and you know they played different positions. They played different styles but to have Wayne break his idols record. That just that in itself was fine. No problem whatsoever. Gordie's they're gorgeous following. It's that's that's a perfect. Stop the game back that everybody was their help that out and I don't think we'll see anything like that again. If Alex ovechkin breaks Wayne Gretzky's record. You'll probably see something like that but there's nothing else that I can think of in terms of hockey records. That wouldn't necessitate anything like that again. And maybe it'll happen but you know this stoppage is eating into you. Know Twelve regular season games for Ovechkin to pile up more goals in every single one counts. Hopefully you know they get a chance to finished the regular season in its entirety but every single one counts ver- ovechkin in that way So that's all of Read Hall Got Close Couple Times but still ninety two goals in one season Wayne. That's just a that's site at stuff didn't like it. I'm trying to think like what what was the most recent one sixty something in a season. Yeah I think Ari about the eighty six. If I'm not mistaken. Bread Hall may be at the same or eighty four. And that's you know when you think of it. That's pretty close. But then of course with Wayne he's the whole time. Oh yeah best passer yet. Does this going to? So yeah. How different era but even sells just ridiculously ever seen the eighty six Soviet Canadian series. I think it was like a candidate. Competent ended up being a best of three series. All three games ended up six five. Go back and look at that. That is you WanNa talk about the you know the Kings Chicago series. That series was six five all three games. Incredible Hockey Alex. You should watch that. That was highly skill. I will enough about the past and how about the present here because we've got This pause is giving us the I guess the ability to almost close the book on the season right. Because we're so close for Seventy Games for the kings completed and most of the rest of the League's at seventy one seventy two But they're all in that range. We've got a good body of work and I think it's. It's probably good enough time for if this season did end today. Let's pick up some awards here. Let's see if we're in agreement because I I had a tough time as I was going through and looking at award by award. I had a really tough time. Singling out an individual winner and it's not a cop out on my end I wanNA start with the Vesna trophy. I want to start with goaltending here because this speaks to me of something that's changed recently in the Nhl of is given to the goalie. Judge to be the best at his position. Right am I wrong? In saying there are no standout like purifier. Vis Guy should win it or they're no outstanding candidates this year. That just jump out at you. You're exactly and that'll be the last time I ever say it up so to harass leads. The league in goals against average as today but number number two is Jay Cowan number three Anton Khudobin number four Darcy. Kemper number. Five is Elvis. Moore's Lincoln's your top seven. Yeah I the top. Seven our backups. Yes Oh it's it's it's the share. Now they're sharing now. It's part of the normal situation. Were teams are looking instead of looking for the ten million dollar gold fender looking for one at six and one at four and then they're looking to go fifty thirty two the looking to go forty eight. No forty four something. Whatever mass author but just that's what they're looking to do and and that's that's what you're seeing those numbers that's the thing that stands out to me like one a one. B is now the strategy for most of these teams. But I'll give you my picture. I want to see if we're relying on this to. Maybe we'll agree. My pick is connor halibut. He is played fifty. Eight of Winnipeg. Seventy one games so far and with a team. That's just their Blue Line. Has been ravaged both due to injuries and the fact that they couldn't make any roster moves with Dustin Buffalo and in that situation. Hello Book has basically had to carry the team the entire year. And I'm I'm looking at all these other names down the list of he's the only one that kind of stands out to me. Yeah he kinda helped. I mean maybe he doesn't fit the exact category of judge to be the best at his position but in terms of aptitude and having to carry the load. He's top of my list right now. Your I'm going to run down very quickly and then I'll preface it by when I sell these. I do weight heavily to expectations of so. That's what's so for me Vassel Skis Number. Three at thirty five wins number. Two is ben Bishop just because of all things around them and my number one guy chosen by just for the hell of. I figured that was going to happen so I agree with you. I know the change in defense. But they had no somewhere free agents leaving something all the dust in buffalo thing and then the way. They started the way they came around. And then you see what I Alabama guy. I can't help but think that to CA- Rascal get heavy consideration. Because he has put together a great year in Boston expectations. Yeah I penalize for it. Because he's a great team so I- penalizing flap. Yeah but it's still putting together a good year on a team. That's right now in the driver's seat for the presidents trophy I'd also be my twos. Rask in Hell. Are there any others? That Darcy Kemper probably would've been the guy numbers ear and then just injury. It's unfortunate Yup. Yup that's that's the guy right there that again you know. They have Ron Tattoo who still think. He still qualifies a lot of statistical categories. Even though he hasn't played a lot to get to that position where they're sharing again. Yup I boy. I wonder if the season resumes and if Somehow Arizona is able to get into the playoffs because that ways have been on a two. It's unfair to say. Well you know if team didn't make the playoffs you don't get consideration like many of these awards but I'd still consider Darcy Camper. He's able the will that team into the playoffs. Should the season resume because he's he deserved it? Based on his body work over the course of the year the other team all their downfall coincided with his injury Yup thousand percent depending on Taylor Hall even seeing these lately right. You know these posts were like. Oh they're record before and after Taylor Hall. Well that's almost directly related to where Darcy Kemper got hurt. Kemp got hurt the very next game after they got Taylor Hall. It was right there. And that's why they're not in a playoff spot as an outlet. Let's move on here early on this season. You said it was John Carlson's norris trophy. Do you still believe that I still believe it and I still give it to him now. I give it to him by the hair of his Jenny Chin Chin that that was runaway. Early what about like Dougie Hamilton? To like He. Is You know injured. So you just didn't play anywhere near enough games to be qualified but Romeo C Carlson right there and unjust again ongoing. I expected Washington to have a good season but I think because of the struggles of a team that national had. I'm not putting it on your seat. All he's phenomenal. But I just have to give the edge to Carl. I wonder for a team like Nashville. That still in it right. They're still on the cost of the playoffs that they were kept in it because of UC. I've got Yosi an I. L- really liked him when when we saw him in January and I looked into just basic stats. No no advance stats here. But just basic stuff. Third IN LEAGUE IN TIME ON ICE. Second Points Ninth. And plus minus. So he's getting the lion's share the minutes for Nashville. He is on ice for more goals than he is. Goals against. And he's putting up a lot of points which I think has factored more into Norris trophy consideration. Now than maybe in years past I would pick Yossi and I know we should think about Carlson and the fact that he had a phenomenal start to the year and most likely will be able to carry that to the finish line but I gotta say like in terms of a guy that I when we saw him January. He's he's the type of player that scares you. When he's on the ice that he could do whatever he wanted with the puck and he could defend whoever he wanted when he didn't have the puck at that just it seemed to me. Uc was in that much control. Or don't use that criteria than in games against the Kings Karlsson with junk rate atop on that. Search through but yeah. I'M GONNA go again with the Fox standard prerequisite which has expectations who you think about when you think about Washington Ovechkin End You got Wilson up front. You've got up at four yet so now. I throw Carlson that to me. That's why that's why it gets the edge fair enough. Alright selke trophy is it as simple as Jerus- or burs run this does not feel like there's much of a sexy argument this year for one player over another Ryan O'Reilly with the Saint. Louis Comeback last season got a lot of consideration being the the top center on that team. I can't pick out a guy that's all that interesting to talk about the Selke conversation this year. Maybe with Philadelphia's run that was a little unexpected jrue gets the edge but I I can't really come up with a compelling argument either way yeah. It's always a tough one. I go to the origination of the award. It is evolved into the best point scoring Saruman. Doesn't get the MVP. That's what it's evolved into go the other way and I have three candidates and there's only one that fits the criteria point score. My Third Guy is Jordan stall the Carolina because his role now is shutdown that it. That's getting Selke as defensive forward so his role is shutdown number two. I do stay with O'Reilly I put him at the top look at his numbers. A liquidity does for the team. But to me I'M GONNA. I'm way off the board on going to nick would know Nino Yup in national. I think his role. You've got Shane who's had no salmon. You've got Johan Johannesen. Who is a cinnamon all these points? Other than Benino. I look at how we chips. In a look at his plus minus Face offs where. He's on the ice so again I try to target mine to the origination of the Sulky award which is defensive forward so I almost eliminate the top scores right away before I go to guy so Benino this year. Is it fifty two percent faceoffs? I mean is chipping in a little bit offensively and I is he. Is it possible to that? It's one of those where because you're not talking about him too much he's just there he's just solid. He does the job for you. I think it's because the the criteria used to select the southgate no longer to me lives up to what the origination of it was. So I'd say I'm the Cope wanted a couple of times but again again with copious at the underlying numbers. You would make the argument for him every single year. But I didn't get I think it's evolved into something that it was not meant to be when it was originated fair enough fair enough now. Here's where I want to really dive into a discussion. And this is I. Think going to be high level on what we value in terms of When we when we're looking at general managers and how teams are constructed Because next week I think will do Hart Trophy and like the League wide You know player awards but I the last one I want to cover here as GM of the year. Because I've got I've got an off the board Guy I want to hear yours I because I wanna hear what you value in terms of general manager and what a team should be constructed around especially given where the standings are right now so. Gm of the year. Who'd he out? I have my third selection. Is Ken Holland the material things on my bowl a lot to do with his selection as coach? So that's part of his job making and fitting pieces into what's going to happen in the Neil acquisition things of that sort you know. He's got two best players illeg our top players Leaguer to the top five best. Whatever you WANNA do with dry silent in mcdavid butter. I give him there I have a soft spot for my second. Pick and Brian mccollum by Rumi in Washington. A team that's maintained. It's no right at the top of the League. They're not a lot of changes. But maybe that's why he recently had to massage the salary cap He's done a good job there and to me the GM of the year is a Kevin Chevrolet. Off of Winnipeg jets guys. I don't know anyone was put into a situation that he was put into. He has a decision in the free agents that leave but the injuries and then the defection call it of Buffalo on your top guy. Take your number one defense off of any other team league. Can they survive? He's he's made a lot of little INS and out moves and for that reason. I GIVE HIM MY GM. And they're in a playoff spot. Right now I with you on Ken Holland being on my board. But I wouldn't vote for him. You can't go wrong with Jim. Rutherford in Pittsburgh all the puzzle pieces with their injuries. It crosby Malkin out. They LA- Tang out for a period of time. I believe so like all the different injuries they've had to deal with plus they've had the mix and match other pieces with injuries up and down the lineup. I but I'm going to go off the board with this one and that's why I wanted to bounce off you I'm going with Kyle dubious and I'm not looking at it. Necessarily for you know having to navigate one injury in particular or having to navigate one roster thing in particular. I'm looking at it. As he had to weather the pressure of that market throughout the entire year he had to basically have the gumption to replace Mike Babcock Guy with that reputation in that market. He had the dodge salary cap. Land mines all season long. He had to get through emergency backup situation and not hit the panic button and try to do anything crazy to try to shore that up and yet. Toronto. After all these ups and downs there still in a playoff spot. And I look at that and say that takes a lot of courage and a lot of Long term thinking to to be general manager in that market and not hit the panic button when everyone around. You thinks they can do a better job than you being. The general manager of that team wasn't on my list but for the argument that was just presented. I think that you presented very well. I agree with your points on sticking with what you believe in what he believes in. I think that's very important. I know he's considered one of the fancy stat type of guys now. Everyone has that but he was one of the few early guys that had that so we had to weather that storm to even with the stories that came out later about Mike Babcock. I'm not quite on the same page with him in that decision so I I really think that Mike is is the guy but even with the stories that came out that babcock that that wasn't necessarily the best move to get rid of them. Yes and he had all the reasons in the world to get rid of him. No the martyr story is I've been indefensible but Bigger picture taking everything into consideration Mike Babcock by believe would still be there but he definitely if he knew if he knew that story which may be. He did before he fired him. Then he gets more points on on your selection As far as the chronology of I'm aware of that story was not there until after the fact but I could be wrong and not to not to go to headlong because we're gonNA talk about Our Jack Adams picks next week but I think for Winnipeg in the REA. The reason why I didn't go with Kevin Chevrolet off is I feel as much as the little moves that he made. I I feel like so much of their success is predicated on Paul Maurice's style of coaching. You WanNa talk about steady hand and seeing the big picture. I I really feel like he did. A lot of the the Yeoman's work in Winnipeg of getting that team two weather that whole situation. Yeah I am but I also look to the Canadian market again in. Winnipeg than I can bring you back. Examples of how they are calling for Maurice's that's true. Yeah but appointed Insight him to an Extension Gel. That's that's where that's part of the standing around back. They didn't have a lot of interaction with Jerry West when he was with the Lakers. But the ones I did he he was he was the boss. He was single minded. Sure he took a lot of opinion. Went around and got all the information he could compiled together before he made his decisions but when he did he stuck by it when he made a mistake he would still. The mistake would not change his fundamental foundation. It would just be it didn't work. Let's find another way to get back to my foundation so unacceptable day off kind of a little bit there all right and next week we will dive into Hart Trophy and Jack Adams trophy all those kind of the war. So we'll we'll continue on with that. I WANNA get to some listener questions here As always we get a really good Set of questions from from folks Let's start with Connor who asks What are your pre game rituals on Game Day? Like as a player you probably had some but as a broadcaster. Jim Do you have anything? I know the ice cream is we. We've covered that multiple times on here and I know you're missing your staple center ice cream right is there. Is there anything else? That's part of your ritual routine That that you can't do without to get yourself ready for broadcast. I had way more when I was a player which now they look back at. Where foolish foolish foolish and only while again. I was dealing with anxiety and trying to figure out way. So what you do. Is You develop superstitions and that keeps your mind off of things but if I would do it again I would probably seek more professional help and getting more step by step approach to how they would handle that type of stuff but I am very routine oriented. I like to be on a timeline to eat by this certain time. Like to be a practice at this certain time. Do my notes at certain time. So that's I guess more routine than superstition of but that fits in I do enter certain doors at certain times or don't go into certain doors at certain times so I still have those weird things in my my back the back of my mind but a Hollywood say there is yes very regimented. As far as what? I do as far as preparation when I do that. Preparation when that preparation has to be completed to me a lot of my game day is just going through things in my mind because I like to think that the preparation is done well in advance so that I can just sort out things but then again it goes back to back games situations. Sometimes that falls apart now back are killer in terms of routine because a Lotta Times you playing catch up in terms of preparation I mean as much as I can anna. I'll I'll agree with you. It's a lot preparation in advance before you arrive. Game Day and I feel a lot less anxiety of being ready for a game When I have all my notes done in advance also go through the routine. I have to handwrite. Some people's broadcasters can have it all typed out or Can do their thing by hand. I only WANNA right out. Goals assistant points just in okay. Who's top scorer? Whose middle of the pack. Who hasn't scored a goal yet. This year Just to have that ready otherwise I liked to have everything laid out in a small Setup as possible. If you seen my note sheets you know that they're very very very very small type of You have to if it wants once. I get a little bit older Jim. I'M GONNA need to cut down on notes because you have to increase the font size. I don't think I can stay at seven point font for the rest of time. Okay so now I know where I'm going But yeah I I liked the only thing I handwrite is just that and handwriting lines. I've also gone through the routine. Now of memorizing lineups Instead of I used to try to do it well in advance in walk into the arena. Okay I've memorized them instead now. I'm doing it more. Like an hour before puck. Drop so that they are freshest so all right down the the line combinations as they are and try to Just by numbers and then try to write the names in there so that I have all the names numbers memorize. Sometimes we are playing Ottawa that that game before the shutdown we were talking to each other. Like can you recognize half the roster? Because they had traded away so many guys after Rostro. He didn't even know who these guys were. So that was a little bit of a struggle in terms of getting those names and numbers down is less important for you because you can look at them kind of after the fact but I found myself in that game five or six times just looking at my sheet. Who is that? Oh it's thirty nine. Who's that I've stopped? Which again I don't we have different job so I don't and as much time with identification but certainly as the play by. Play Guy. You have to do that so a couple of different Users asked In different ways however players staying in shape under these circumstances I know the NHL has been posting videos of guys Juggling toilet paper or you know playing with their dogs in the yard. But like I. I think this is along. The lines of how strengthen training has evolved a little bit? Because I I get the sense trainers And especially strength trainers have been focusing more on body weight and flexibility than they have in years past and I think players earn okay. They're not going to be able to put on a ton of weight unless you have a home gym. But I guess they're staying in shape okay with body weight and other exercises that nature. I think that has been a huge change in the way the NHL PRO. Sports looks at fitness and conditioning and the reliance on equipment has gone way down so now to even a cardio workout. I mean you can get it without a bike without an elliptical And it's all Josh's movements that don't need any equipment so if there's any time of the fitness evolution Timeline right now would allow the players in the NHL to come back quicker than in any other time before because they no longer rely on those types of things. I know that they can get it done without any equipment if only we knew those hokey fitness videos from the nineteen eighties would come true about thirty five years later. 'cause that's that's what I've been doing I've been doing a lot on TV. I just go to YouTube. Click in Gimme a low. I need low impact because of my hips and my knees but I want cardio absent no way you can't while you can have your forty five minutes hour doing it you can. There's no question about that. So Marcus Moshe one of my good buddy's asks When are we going to see a legit amateur suit up as an emergency backup? Goalie totally unrelated. One of the king's going to make me their emergency backup. Goalie will marcus. I'm afraid you're a sieve. So you're not going to be a backup goalie in the NHL anytime soon. But I remember you know when that whole amateur when the whole emergency goalie thing ended and the GM talked about it at their meetings. There was no change. I I don't know about you Jimbo I I get the sense. That teams might make the process of selecting their emergency. Backup a bit more stringent. I know the Kings did a a tryout but I dunno I get the sense teams are going to take it a little more seriously than they had in the past. What's your take on that? We've discussed this before. I know it's been a discussion for even before. The Carolina may believe situation this year. It was on the radar general managers. It is really one of those. Most you come up with a solution. There's a lot of times when you throw a question out. There can answers right away. This one it's a tough one but they are thinking about it. I would think they would probably make sure that. That selection is actually actively working out a certain amount of times a week. What's the level of the League? They're playing that type of stuff now. I I'm less familiar with this. I don't know if you have the answer. Do you know if teams have the capability of because right now. Emergency Galway's aren't paid. They're just basically given tickets to the game and you show up you you know. You're they're ready to go if need be. I wonder if some teams even though it wouldn't be mandated would put guys under some sort of retainer like we'll pay a thirty thousand or fifty thousand to be our practice goalie essentially Italy Ranford essentially. Does that job for the Kings right now? They need an extra practice goalie. The former CONN smyth winter suits up and stacks the pads. And it's it's fun to watch in kings practice but I wonder if more teams are going to go in that direction of having a of extra goalie on retainer who can't plays non-roster but I am not as familiar with the the rules and regulations with regard to practice players. Yeah I think that was in discussion with GM's again even before. The season started on pretty much aware that it was in discussion. But that's where you get to the stumbling block. Do you have to travel those guys now? Legal on the road with you do that. You need to pay them more money because their lifestyle all those type of things come into doesn't count against the cap it just a lot of variables but they're thinking about it. It is so rare but I guess when we get to that point where am determines a playoff spot. Then then you really start to think about it. I think the odds were like or the the amount of times there's like one out of seven thousand games where the IT actually had to take place. So I think we're okay with the system as it currently stands. Here's one from The History Guy. Who Do you think the stoppage helps or hurts? In terms of various prospects are veteran players Making strides so. I could see this question being an interesting one for guy like Alex Turcott. Who was expected to joining the Ontario Reign? Just finished his one only year at the University of Wisconsin and was expected to join the rain after signing with the Kings now. He has no ice time. No Weight Room. Time no nothing. Does this hurt guys. Who would otherwise becoming either out of junior or somewhere else and be expected to stepping it a little bit of ice time or because they're young enough they they might be able to just take a couple weeks and get through it. I'll just keep this one simple. There's no question at her. Is it on the entry and hurts? The guys that are near the end ice time will be hard to come by for a little while and until things loosen up just a little bit all right one last one. I'm going to end this with a non hockey. One Joel Asks Rolling Stones or Beatles. Oh that's easy for me. Not even close. Are you making me? Guess Pause I'm GonNa Guess the stones that's much do know me it's really. I went to a stones concert once at the Medal Lance and I would have not gone if the tickets were not complementary to the NHL radio. And how did our off? Who Happen to status statins stumbled into a couple That's not I. I love the energy of Mick Jagger live performance again. That's where it differs. Had Way more chance to see the stones live didn't have a chance to see the Beatles live but when I take a look at the entire picture and the entire the the the work that was put in the it's tough. It's tough comparison because the stones have stayed together for so long that in itself is phenomenal. But then isn't it also so impressive that the Beatles today are still as poss- still as popular as they are and they leave together? That Law Yeah I so I've gone back and forth because originally I was more Beatles because it was when you're growing up those songs are a little bit catchier and I guess more timeless in some respects Their whole library. That is but as I've as I've grown older. I appreciate the rolling stones a little more for pushing the envelope and Staying together which helps too but just that there's sound I think is a little bit more I want. I don't WANNA say complex. Because the Beatles for when they first came out were revolutionary in terms of the sound that they brought to the table. I just I. I like that energy right. I I like The edginess from from Mick Jagger and The whole group Yup. Yeah I'm going to go up. Bring it full circle. It's difficult to compare because again one of my top selections for TV show was Star Trek. Well Alex when that came out that was revolutionary as far as the special effects. Can you imagine now? It's not even close and all that you can't even but back then it was. I remember story Dave Taylor daughter came over to do stay with US Susan. I for weekend and she was doing a project in her project was on the first star wars so she had to watch it and you know comment and Critique Review. While she'd already seen a couple Luhrmann she went back. It's his. This is awful. This is you know the special effects were nowhere. Near what soap. It was tough to give an opinion based on what you know now compared to what was available then and I think your points while taking stolen Beatles the more I go back and listen to NC retrospectives on the Beatles that has given me more of an appreciation. Just listen to them. I know couple of pathway talk about you. Know How they wrote the songs and then of those types of things just yeah. The energy of the stones in concert is is good. It's like Mick Jagger. Gosh well we get a couple of beers in you. I think you can dance like just fine. Jim What what. What do we say we end on that note and Next week we'll have a. We'll have more on kind of end of season awards if the season were indeed to end in the. We'll continue to the work in some listener questions This this was this is good and I will end on this as well. Last week was a little bit Cathartic for both of us. Last week was tough it was. I think we're both dealing with the shock of this whole quarantine and stay at home situation. I don't know about you. I M feeling a lot better. I'm you know I'm getting out of the House and walking a lot. It's you know the weather's been more cooperative. I'm feeling a heck of a lot better this week than I was last week. Yeah I think. A lot of the basis for me is certainly uncertainty. Which of course drives anxiety and I think there are still a lot of things that are more uncertain but I think now it is very clear with the problem and the issue is and the challenges so that to me just makes things a little bit easier to handle Yup. We'll get through it and We we encourage everybody at home to Continue to practice social distancing and we'll get together So we'll see next week for a new episode. Keep hitting that subscribe button. All the king's men continues to put out new episodes as well and we look forward to seeing you again next time. Five everybody

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EPISODE 017 - BROOKE HENDERSON, STEVE YZERMAN, LEAFS NOT CANADA'S TEAM

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EPISODE 017 - BROOKE HENDERSON, STEVE YZERMAN, LEAFS NOT CANADA'S TEAM

"Steve one project. Big listener to the show. Why do you listen to the show? I don't know. Guys, Steve Warren project episodes seventeen presented by faces magazine. My guest host Jim Jerome. My name is Steve worn show is about sports and whatever. Some shouts to our latest project members G G thirteen Marnie glitter. Volvo driving soccer, mom, and Steve rice. Thanks so much to all you guys. Part of the Sharma podcasts is the ability to limit the number of you have to hear so buying a small membership. Not only helps us it helps make the show better. If you'd like to be a member at the shout outs and all the other cool benefits. Find out how at Steve w project dot com. Well, apparently, I'm doing a little magazine writing these days and coming up in next month's issue of faces magazine the cover story, I sit down with sends defense. 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I'm great love that love the Brooke Henderson thing. Wasn't that? Wasn't that exceptional amazing? I'll tell you what Steve this is what bothered me about it. And. If she wins her eight event on tuber, she's not even twenty two years old yet. What what I was totally surprised that they didn't talk about fair enough that she tied the record for the most wins by any Canadian pro golfer. Sandra post, Mike, Weir and George Knutson because they they must have gone to that card about one hundred times during the round that she was about to tie this exceptional record by Canadian of all golfers. Okay. Men men and women what what they never mentioned. Steve is how good is eight victories by the time. You're twenty one who's shattering that record. They never made any reference to it at all this kid. I think she's twenty two in the fall. I I don't know. Yes September, but how many how many pro athletes pro golfers have won eight tournaments in there by the time. They're twenty first birthday rolls around the name that comes straight to mind on the men side given that he was so good. So young would be Tiger Woods, and I looked him. Up and he's a nineteen seventy five baby. So in nineteen ninety six he had a going into that year had zero wins on the PGA tour. He won twice that year. So when he was Brooke Henderson's age he had two wins and Brooke eight, but as far as the ladies go, nobody touches Lydia KO because she's the same age right now as Brooke Henderson, and she already has twenty professional wins fifteen of them coming on the LPGA tour. So in terms of getting to a certain level by age twenty one. Brooke Henderson has been amazing. But Lydia KO has bested her in that area. I mean when when the books are Brooke Shields Winterbrook Henderson, turn pro when she was sixteen seventeen. I think she. Yes. She was around seventeen eighteen I think is it was an I think it was one of those deals. She was trying to get early placement on the L PGA tour, and and I think it was very close to eighteenth birthday when she finally became a full-time member of the tour now TV some further. Effective on the Canadian side of things you mentioned already that. There are three other golfers to players in history from Canada that have one eight times. So it's a four way tie right now. And Brooke Anderson, she Windsor eight that Twenty-one Sandra post was almost thirty three when she won her eighth. Mike Weir was thirty seven when he won his eighth and Knutson was thirty five when he got his yes that lend some perspective to how amazing this is. And she's got a quarter century now to set the record. Yeah. I mean, she just shattered it, although it's a tie. I mean, she just pummeled everyone. What was the earliest age thirty three or thirty five years old yet thirty three Sandra post, regardless of all that just I just love seeing Canadian when an American game, you know, typically American game and. Hats off to her and what a kit what a kid she's like every daughter that every father ever wanted. And there seems to be no amount of success. That's going to affect her. Because this is the eighth time. She's wanna tournament. And then gave an interview offer it's over and she still sounds so all shocks and all down to earth and Hambo. I mean, listen to this here. She is just moments after she's tied the Canadian record for two or wins. The interviewer is the encores reporter, Jerry Foltz. And this clip is courtesy of our friends at the golf channel irc Anderson you made history today and your next win. You will become the winningest Canadian in the history of professional golf. Did you think just a few years ago when you started your professional career, you would have accomplished this much at this point? You know, it's just been surreal the last few years. It's just really amazing to get this way. Thais Andhra time weird too. Which is really amazing just just so happy. And you know today was kind of a battle there. I meant. Mingy nellie. They played good golf. It was just so windy. Just happy that I come out on top in that clip. Courtesy of our friends at the golf channel. What's that all about? No, you never did that before you never have to give credit. Mel we kinda do now with pod cash thing I've been reading up on the legalities copyright laws fair use of others materials. And so kind of have to do it. You still my stuff all the time. You never give me credit. No, I don't I want some credit. Did you want to pull rank and take me to court here? People people on Twitter, they use all my expressions all the time. I went credit credit. Well, let's if you want to pay for the the lawyers to suss that out and try and get blood from some of these stones out there. Then go at it. Anyway, listen back to Brooke Henderson. Great interview. Great story. Great win. And I didn't realize it was such a family affair, of course. I knew her sister who was a golfer in her own, right? She played on the symmetric to her little bit. And gave all that up to caddy for sister. Smart move. Good move. And her dad is our coach dad was a former hockey player. Didn't I didn't know any of that stuff? So the golf channel did do. Nice job and bring me up to speed on all of that stuff. So it's a really cool story. Real family affair. I wonder about you could speak to this because you're a big golfer, and you have been your whole life. I can speak to anything. Steve, you know, that the ABA you can speak intelligently to this. Thank you credited to jungle. Okay. Nice master. So when we watch Tiger Woods come apart for several years. The better part of a decade really some of that was his own some of that was his own undoing from a social perspective, and I'll leave it at that. But he also had the injury stuff and the injury stuff. I think comes about because of the way the violent way that he swang swung a golf club back in the day. The Torchy's putting enough front knee in the back and all that stuff. And just absolutely ripping at the bowl when I watch Brooke Henderson and her takeaway like most golfers strive to get their backswing. So that goes back in foreign off that the shaft of the club is kind of parallel to the ground. She her club had goes way past parallel. And she's putting a tremendous amount of torque on that that, you know, in her midsection and things like that. I'm not wishing this in any way, shape or form on her anything like that. Obviously. I'm just curious. What you think if if that's a Gulf swing that can survive long term like without the body breaking down in the you know in the late twenties early thirties. Yeah. Well, it's the prising that not that there's not more golfers who succumb to a bunch of injuries. Right. Because of the way I was talking the other day. You know, it's the worst thing for your back. Right. Because it's like turn it as fast as you. Can twist it. Okay. Like like like. Like on a turntable. Twist your back that way as hard as you can. And then snap at the other way. But don't move your feet. Right. So it's really bad on your back. But but there's not too many golfers careers. There's not too many who ended early because of injury surprisingly some suffer through it a little bit. And there there is the person, right? That hasn't been able to fish their career because of injury. But I think this day and age Steve with with all the resources that they have medically and and. They're in oxygen tents, and they got massage people there. They got physiotherapist peop- people there at the course, all that stuff. I think that days gone by that that they haven't sort of tackled. The the the golf injury thing, you know, so. There's a few like Michelle we can't play right now. She's got a bad wrist. And it keeps it's a recurring thing with her. But that's a rarity. That's a rarity. You know? So I can't really speak to that. As a matter of fact about whether she'll. Suffer injury or not. I don't think. So. Well, it's certainly nice and fluid right now. But she while she's twenty one too. So she can do anything at that age. But that's good though. Because you Canada's a pretty strong Olympian there for the next what six Olympics or so -absolutely. Yeah. She finishes her homework. She can go to the Olympics. She gets that math project done. Yes. Aren't you complain the next major? All right. Let's shift our attention now to little hockey talk. And I wondered did you see any of the NHL from the weekend looks like Toronto and Boston for one looks like they're going to be going to a game. Number seven. I've continued to get hit over the head with this concept of the last Canadian team standing I should cheering for them. No. I shouldn't. No, I won't. But the series looks like it's I mean, the third time in six years he's to clubs are going to a game seven. Well, I did I watched the game this afternoon the Toronto game fantastic hockey game, man. Did you see the did you watch the game the third period whole thing? Yup. Toronto was mauling them in the third period. Trying to make the comeback. And of course, they got where they get it through three two. Yup. Mun four two was the final and Toronto certainly started out. Well, they got the first goal in the game. And they came on strong at the end is well, kind of had a sense that it was only a matter of time before they broke through but Boston stem the tide and we're off to game seven. It was fantastic game the Washington series. I'm watching Calgary's gone. Of course, I think since our last podcast, they're they're toast Winnipeg's tolls. It's really good. It's really good. Okay. Now. I know there's some issues. Right. Everyone's talking about what were your notes you sent me goal tender interference. What else is there? What what are the beefs? The people have right now about the first round of the playoffs while the goaltender interferences. Certainly a big factor. I it's it's a mess right now. The off-side challenge is been a source of big debate as well. I'm just so done with replay replay it go away and the reason. For that. Is that we're in a situation? Now were I'm just as frustrated as I ever was long before we had a chance to officiate by way of instant replay. Meanwhile, I've lost the ability to spontaneously celebrate what's going on on the ice. Oh my team to score to win the Stanley Cup. Hang on hang on. Let's wait for a minute. And then about five minutes later than you. Can celebrate the Stanley Cup victory. I just feel like they're getting it wrong. So frequently right now, then why are we bothering with these insane long delays and the removal of all these spontaneous celebrations that fans could have listen. Okay. And and obviously you're falling into the same category. I'm afraid to tell you, my friend. I'm afraid to tell you all of a sudden when the playoffs happen. Okay. The hockey's the best it's ever. The hockey's the best it's ever gonna be during during season. The playoffs are the best. All of a sudden. Now every story that comes out of every gain from the playoffs is some sort of this goalie interference some sort of video replay deal some sort of, you know, unfair fights Lovie got into that guy some sort of crosscheck sum, sir. Let's get an extra referee on there. Let's get better calls. Let's get rid of a why did people all of a sudden bring all this shit up only during the playoffs. You know that that that is wrecking the playoffs. You know? It's not wrecking the playoffs. The video replay thing has been around for a long time. It's it's an exceptional tool to try and make it fair. You know, the the goaltender interference thing was that in the was in the Boston series was in the Tronto Boston series. They've had one Calgary had one. We've saw with San Jose Vegas that will series turned on a dime. On the Logan couture goal. Tender interference call that was bogus. It's happening all through the playoffs and people are whining about it. Now because the games mean so much more and they're paying way more attention than they do in the regular season. I can only speak for myself, though, Jim I have been bleeding on about this for five years. Yeah. But that arguments been around for a hundred years what getting rid of replay. We were talking about that when I was on the show right about replace. And and then they started in baseball. And everyone's freaking out about it that it's destroying the game. You know, it's not destroying the game. It's fine. You're gonna have to wait. It's a good idea to have a replay. You know, whether they get the call writer, not where people are snapping about that. Well, they can't get every call right? Nick, Kip real the other night on television talking about that goal tender interference. Brought everyone up to speed about the situation room in Toronto. Okay. The go to flip it to those guys in Toronto. And he explained to people that what they're really there to do is first of all here. What the referee's call was. Okay. And they're there to back the guy up there to back the referee up unless it's so blatant. Then they'll change the rule there in support of the referees. They're not there to to to change the game or change the flow of the game. If it's not obvious the situation room, Kip rules told everybody if it's not obvious. They're not gonna change it. They're not going to change it. So it's not perfect. It's not perfect. You know? And if the ref comes on and says, this is exactly the way, I saw it. So you know, that's what I would like the call to be. And if it's close to that or not that's what they're gonna make it is what the rep set. So anyway that stuff has been around for a long time. But all of a sudden the playoffs happened and all these frigging fans come out of nowhere talking about the bad calls all the time. And for you know, and they're starting to take away from the actual game. Steve some not the calls itself or not the replace. But look at some team played well some team didn't there was a winner in a loser. And it's a fan. Most of it is fantastic hockey, you know, enough with turning the whole playoff. Upside down with all this shift about whether they should have replays or not I don't even have a dog in the fight. And you know, the team I cheer for the Ottawa Senators have a dog in this fight whatsoever. I'm just watching as a fan, and my feeling is that my frustration level that I had prior to instant replay being involved in -ficiating. My frustration level is at least as high as it was prior to that. So what are we doing it for? I mean, I don't feel like there that I don't feel if it's that much more accurate to the point where we're getting all these freaking long delays and getting it wrong. Anyway, a lot of the time. So that's. I know you think you're you think you're at that. You think you are and most people most people who have that same argument as you go it takes away from the spirit of the game. And I can't hear all that. Is that right? I want to see you Steve. I wanna see you when there's an obvious offside. Okay. There's an obvious offside against the Leafs. Okay. And the Leafs were off side, and they. Boston of scores a goal or something like that. And they didn't call the off side. But it was obvious. Okay. You're going to be freaking out, man. You're going to be freaking out until until you see the video. And you look at that. See it's an video. It's in the video, and they got it. Right. There we go. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you ref. You're proven wrong again. There was I'm telling you. That's what happened I would love to get rid of off such challenges altogether. Like just dumb. I know. That's just an example. But I dislike offside challenges in particular. But you'd let you dislike him until it's a call in favor of your team. You know, you will dislike it until you until it happens to your team. It's only human nature, and it's the same with every other call that's that's gone into video replay. I hate it. If it goes against me, and I love video replay it helped my team QuickTime owed faces magazine is our title sponsor, Ottawa's premium magazine. Casing the people places and events the make Ottawa's such a world class city this month, featuring actress, Sandra, supermodel, Harry, Paul some great features on sends players faces MAG dot CA and Jim gave Ford schedule your at home or at work test drive of twenty nineteen Ford. Ranger after an eight-year height is the Ford ranger his back book. Your at home test drive today. Jim k four dot com. You tribe in Orleans completely interrupted you. And I apologize, sir. Well, I'm excited I'm excited. You know, what this week is Steve do you know, what started yesterday? I'll tell you Sunday. You know, what started Saturday, and I'm not making this shit up. I love it. I love it. I've been watching it for years is the world. Snooker championships started yesterday Stevie. Okay, you're going to be on your own on this one. I'd love to chime in. But I know nothing about snooker. Remember snooker was the big now everyone plays bar pool. You know, they play nine ball eight ball. But remember the game Snuka was on a giant table. Twelve foot table by six feet Minnesota fats. Yeah. There you go. Fifteen reds. Okay. Fifteen rents colored balls. Anyway, it was big. I played it in the the reason I bring it up is because of a nightmare. I got I got drilled Steve by all the ice to love snooker, you still playing it. And I was shitty. I couldn't make two balls together. But but I love to gamble and boy did they see me walk in the pool room. Okay. When when I got I got hustled, Steve, I got hustled. Okay. All the time watching when I played snooker, and it makes me quiver. It makes me wake up in a cold sweat. Steve Barada would be a local Ottawa guy. He's big listener our show in the old days. And he's a big listener. Now, the podcast, and he was sort of Ottawa's best Newkirk. In fact, he played in the Canadian championship. But when they saw me walk in that room the first time St.. Eve, and I had I had a hundred bucks on me. I was cared. A lot of cash. HD cash is king. They were like Segel's hovering above me. And you could hear them when I walked in there about nine guys going mine mine, he's my finding Nima exactly nemo reference. I would get drilled so bad, Steve so bad. And then they'd say, well, how about play left-handed Oslo, I'll beach every time, right? And then I realized as walked out of the room. I saw you know, a trophy best left handed. Steve Brennan best left hand the player. One hand these to play me Steve one hand. Anyway, I'm watching the championships that started this week. I've been watching it for five years. There's a there's an leave this alone after this. There's a Tiger Woods of snooker guy named rocket the rocket Ronnie O'Sullivan, and he can play both ways Steve right handed or left hand in competition. I'll keep you posted CV on all the all the matches. Please do maybe get somebody on the show to talk about it. Steve I've got to get back at these guys. They took all my money. Steve they hustled me. They hustled me for all my bread St. Brad, and Greg Kennedy and all those we used to play the broken q Steve on Maraval road and baseline. I want to get back at these guys. Steve somehow, well now, they're all cross dressers. They're listening. There you go. Consider the score even for you cross dresser take that who's a Canadian guy that one like a world championship cliff Thorburn. There you go Stevie right on nineteen eighty boom. Nineteen eighty had the perfect game. Which is a rarity. It's like one in Gulf, and he had the first one Steve at the Crucible Theatre in Sheffield England where the world championships are and you're lying. You really are into this. I've been watching it for five years. Well, it's really huge in Europe because of the bedding let the problem with it as match-fixing it's so easy to fix a pool game. Right. Snooker game. You miss right? Nope. Absorbing right. And there's tons of money bet on it. Okay. Now at the risk of upsetting. The one percent of our audience that's down with this discussion. I'm going to steer the conversation back over hockey. I just wanted to leave some of that in about that fucking bradtha. He used to drill me. Okay. I'll leave. It is. I want everybody who's asking me about this whole thing this concept of Canadian hockey fans that were supposed to rally for the lone Canadian team left. Can we just never say that again, like most of the people that are doing it the not really hardcore hockey fans, they're kind of the news people like news media, right? In other news media would sometimes dabble in the sports in on the talk about say that the hockey matches certainly are exciting. I'd say, you know, now that there's only one Canadian team. I guess you fell down with that team. Aren't you know, just shut up with that? Gasping me to cheer for the blue team is like asking me to change my sexuality. Sometimes I thought you had a couple of those mornings on the show. But. Which one the like this about Twenty-three, sexuality choices? Now. And that's okay. I don't know. You know, what you know, the Olympics all your cheering for is a country. Right. Yes. So let's have I don't I wouldn't you want to see you don't get that. You don't you're a hater of that team. But. I don't mind that deal. I think people should I think this should cheer for Canadian t was the last time a Canadian team won this Stanley Cup nineteen Ninety-three Montreal Canadian's over the LA kings, your Wayne Gretzky, that's right, by the way Gretzky in the news this week. Well, no, what do you do? Can you believe this think about that? For a second. It has now been counted up. Exactly twenty years since Wayne Gretzky, right course. Yup. Yup. I send tweet. Tweet tweet. I said, let me be can you imagine new imagine? How many I don't think he follows social media? Can you imagine how many texts or or comments? There wasn't Twitter and Facebook and Instagram congratulating way. What what do you think there probably was a million? So I was I was the day, and I go let me the first one to congratulate you. On your career. Of course played his last game in Canada right here in oughta would be a second last game. I guess overall far as regular season goes and the get it a play against the penguins in the finale, but you know, it's kind of special for Ottawa Senator fans here in town to see win Gretzky plays last game in Canada were you around for that game. Absolutely. I was. Yeah. We were I was in Ottawa when I saw him here. I didn't go to New York was his final. Final game. Wasn't it? That's allman. And I was at that game. But I read it out this week. Steve what people don't realize how funny he is. He's he's sleeper funny. And I asked him one time. Who's the toughest goal you ever played against any paused and said fuck, I never found any of them, very tough. Who could argue that? Yeah. Who could argue with that? I gotta say one of my favorite phone calls that I've ever had was with you had nothing to do with you though in the Gretzky in the car with you. And we ended up your he didn't actually get on the phone with me, but you are kind of the conduit between the two of us, and we're kind of serving in volleying hockey trivia of the past through you and went back and forth for a couple of minutes. But I I said to myself, you know, what that guy really is not just a player, and I would certainly blame a lot. I don't how many there are today. I wouldn't know what percentage is our players today who really know the history of the game. But I have not come across anybody who knows more about hockey trivia student of the game the way Wayne Gretzky is that try and take them on baseball. He'll slaughter you at that stuff too. That was his first board. Right. Yeah. Was that how long has it twenty years ago nineteen ninety nine the finale like my daughter? Was born in nineteen ninety nine she's in her second year of university. That's how long I mean. You can't blame some kids now for going. Who's Wayne Gretzky? Exactly. Well, I remember I'll tell you how I remember it. And it was it's probably how I got my job. Steve. Okay. Let's face. It really is my absolute knowledge of sports. Anyway, so Wayne warm to immediately. I was doing a show. This is true. This is true. I was doing I was filling in the way I got on radio originally Steve was I was emceeing a roast for. Killer. Okay. Brian kill Ray. So I was actually visiting or I just moved back to our forget. So I was doing this obviously, it was around nineteen ninety eight or nine and Al Davis was there from Ottawa sports radio was the first sports radio station in Ottawa, correct? Yeah. It was called Ottawa sports radio right out of the gate that named in last very long. It became the team quite quickly. Anyway, Al Davis is there, and I was having some yachts up on the Mike and having a bunch of laughs. And he came up to me after and said, hey, would you would you mind jumping on air once in a while for? On the sports days. I said I'd love to. I'd never been on the radio. I knew nothing about it. And that's how I started writing. I went in and filled in for a couple couple of shows with a guy and then shortly after that broke this whole story about Wayne Gretzky is going to retire. Anyway, I decided I said, well, why don't I get some of the guys on from the from the Oilers, and there was a gag order say their had put out this order that. Nobody's allowed to talk about it. Okay. Nobody no player no-one's to say anything at all give interviews or anything. And I said, well, I knew the back of my head that maybe I could get the guy on you know, and. JR was laughing. I said, well, let me let me lineup few guys. And he said, yeah, good. Good luck with that kid. Good luck with that. Anyway, I went away that evening, and I came back, and he said how how'd you do those interviews, and I said, well Marty McSorley is gonna come on at three fifteen Craig mctavish, you'll be on it courted before. And then the guy Neum the best Kevin Lau's coming on at four thirty and. And it was true day. So he was saying what what how who is fucking guy. How did you do this? And because I phoned Kevin. And he said, yeah, there's a gag. I'll fuck it. We'll do it. Let's jump on there and do it. So that was that was that what I remember most about that retirement was around that time. So and the Gretzky boot lick was born was born job for life job for life after that. So the team back then or always sorry back. Then was really really had. These exclusive interviews not not because of me, but these guys overstep their bounds. And we ended up with these fabulous interviews. I don't know if they're still in the Bank somewhere not. But anyway, that's how I got my job steam now, you know, the rest of the store, let's change gears a little bit here and talk about Steve is now the Detroit Red Wings general manager back to same place. He was where he was the captain for twenty years came at you like that's crazy twenty years. A captain that is a record and NHL record. That's going to stand for a long time. One of the story. Yeah. You have to get started young. If you get twenty years in as a captain. Yeah. I think he was it was weird. Because when I was in Detroit is the captain he was like, I think he's eighteen maybe nineteen but very young. And he had is first season. Brad park was on the team like Brad park whose was still playing at that stage. Brad park taking his cues from an eighteen year old kid. No kidding. Anyway, he's returned to Detroit News the GM now of the wings. I don't know how they do it, man. I don't know how they play. So for as long as they did and play at such a high level that and then he went into management, of course with with Tampa. And he would be he's probably my age. I'm guessing I'm fifty seven. So he's gotta be he's probably born in sixty or sixty one something like that. Or around there. I don't know how why he would do this. I have no idea. But the only thing I can think of Steve because we were talking about it. The other day about coaches who made bad or superstar players who made bad coaches. I don't think is made ever coached Diddy. No right to front office. But we did talk about managers though in hall, and is is absolutely one of the exceptions to the rules. We're talking about an earlier episode. Yeah. And I think some of the reason they do it is that they got so used to the lifestyle. Of being hockey player and being appropriate. And believe me, it's a it's a as we all know, it's a totally different lifestyle right there on the road. They started when they're very young. And through a very, you know, difficult time in a lot of the young married lives that they you know, that they go through and have kids and that the pressure to play and perform and and the and the media hype and all this stuff, but they they get used to get used to long road trips. You know, half the six seven eight months year, they're playing hockey all the time maybe longer, and I think what happens is I've heard stories where a lot of guys when they try and retire that the throws them into a funk throws them into a funk, and they can't they can't seem to fill their day. You know, and I don't I'm not necessarily sure that that's the case with Steve is meant, but it could be it could be when this guy's done most everything that he can in hockey. And was very successful guy in Tampa. Now, he's taking on this gig, Detroit. You know, my knee jerk reactions why why relax, you know? I think there's something to that. And I think that I've learned since my son is twenty three he he he's to stick and just learning about him and the autistic behaviors that he has I see to some degree varying levels of the spectrum of autism on the general public and one of the traits of autism. Is you know, for example, real need for routine and sameness like a slave to it. And I see little traits like in like people who are absolutely normal. And who knows it that may be a trait that a guy like Steve is has that he's a sort of slave to a routine, and he loves like you were talking about the lifestyle going to the rink going to the rink going to the rank and that becomes a part of you after doing it your entire life. It's probably really hard to let go he would. Been probably early forties when he packed it in as as an NHL player. I'm sure for some guys that's a very difficult thing to walk away from everybody talks about the come rodri- in the dressing room for one hundred percent of the players missed that. But sometimes it's more than that. And I think you might be onto something or they hit their wife. I'm sure that's not true in this case. No. But but forget hockey for a second. Right. You hear about it? I'm sure I can tell the story, but you know, the name Hillary, and Hillary cleaners, of course, and his daughter of courses in the in the sports business. God, I'm forgetting so many names Steve this morning. Lisa. Lisa Bruce is her father, and Bruce Hillary was a good friend of our family is a good friend of mine, and he has this dry cleaning business. I don't even know if they still have it. But he was telling me about. Retiring. In fact, the company was trying to force them out. And you know, that he's still coming to work every day long after a normal retirement age, and they finally said you gotta get outta here. Okay. That's that's not any couldn't take it. Steve. He couldn't handle it. In fact, he was telling me that he got sort of in a huge funk, you know, that he wasn't able to go to work every day. So it's sort of a real problem. You know, it's a real problem. I'm not saying Steve is was like, okay. I better do this because I'm going to go out of my mind. But I think it has a lot to do with that guys. Can't can't see anything else. But that lifestyle, you know. So but retirements retirement can be weird on people. It's it's not all gravy. You know, I know I'll be fine. Steve. You've been living like you've been retired since you've been nineteen years old. So while you're walking around with all these wad of cash when your kid going to play pool. So I don't -magine money's been too much of an issue. Steve brought that up. He's mine. He's mine. He's mine took all my money. One last thought in the eyes thing in that the non playoff teams in the Atlantic have been making some serious moves, and we're barely you know, we're not through the first round of the playoffs yet. And so yeah, Joel Quenneville. He's the head coach with the Florida Panthers. The sabers fired their head coach still looking the Redwings hired Steve is, and so I think sends fans right now are kind of looking at their watch right now kinda tapping and going K anytime now. To send said last week that they're gonna take their time deciding on the next head coach, and I guess what will be the equivalent as well of co GM for peer Dory on a new one director of one of the call at hockey operations, something like that. So your sense fan. You're kind of going. Okay, everybody else is starting to move. Maybe it's time we got something done. Yeah. You know, all the talk. Steve it always it always sort of hovers around. You know, the the talk of overpaid players, and coaches and not so much GM's. You don't hear too much about their? I guess they don't have to disclose their salaries, but. Where there's always this chat about you know, here here. It's Lucci in Evanston K signed up on a seven year seven million dollar year dealer six year seven million or something like that. And he got eighteen points this year. Okay. I think at six by six if I'm not mistaken. But yeah, I know what you mean. Right. And then of course, Babcock in Toronto was again, five six millionaires ten million a year for five years or five for a bunch of fifty million dollar deal. Right. I heard today that. Wilson. For the Seahawks. Russell wilson. Yup. Did you sign a thirty five million dollar deal? Oh, yeah. Four years one hundred forty million dollars. And that includes a sixty five million dollars signing bonus one hundred seven million dollars in guarantee. So he is the highest paid player in NFL history. There you go. Russell Wilson signed a giant deal. What's what's trout making baseball? Trout is twelve years four hundred twenty million who's the other clown. Just got traded went from Washington to Philly Bryce Harper. He got fifty three hundred thirty million over thirteen years. So of all guys when you hear a player like Connor mcdavid is making thirteen million a year. It makes me think that any players and coaches are the most underpaid athletes in the world. People might think that's crazy. But hockey players got to be the most underpaid athlete in the world. When I see all these other contracts that these teams are signing. Right. Eighteen TV. Right. Well, I'm just saying all this complaint that we have about overpriced players overprice players overpriced players. And then when you when you hear these massive salaries that these guys are making in baseball, NFL and basketball, and in the NHL, they are way way low on the pay grade, maybe baby maybe baby Steve. And with that we shall call. 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Will Ovechkin Outscore Hockey's Great One?

ESPN On Ice with Wyshynski and Kaplan Show

22:14 min | 10 months ago

Will Ovechkin Outscore Hockey's Great One?

"Hey ESPN and ice listeners. It's me Gregg Giannotti. And you know all of us. The hockey world are monitoring Alex with veterans goal scoring record. Chase not only only getting a seven hundred goals but also the big one. The Big Anche. Lada Catching Wayne. Gretzky for the all time goals mark and everybody outside the hockey world taken notice too so I joined the wonderful times on Mondays. ESPN daily podcast. To talk with Meena about lovie his career how he scores so many goals how he stays so healthy. And what this big record chase is gonNA look like Kennedy Catch Gretzky we talk about that much more on. ESPN daily and here. It is in the last four weeks the great has gone on a rampage. The likes of which we have never seen from him ovechkin chased down the great to the game seemingly in no time flat and now the moment draws near to celebrate seven hundred. Will it be tonight tonight. Washington capitals legend Alexander. Ovechkin could make history becoming one of just a handful of any players to score seven hundred goals with that milestone incite. The hockey world is already looking ahead. An asking can enrich can unseat Wayne Gretzky. Great one himself as a sports all time scoring leader. It's Monday February tenth and I'm meaning times this is espn daily presented by ADT. Hey Greg Greg whiskey is an ESPN hockey writer and the Co host of the podcast. ESPN ON ICE. So so greg tonight. The capitals playing the islanders at home it's a decent game Washington's atop their division right now. Islanders are somewhere in the middle. Why are you excited to watch? I'm excited to watch. Because Alex Skin has the opportunity once again to become the eighth player in the National Hockey League's one hundred and three a year history to score seven hundred career goals. He's away and Once he gets to seven hundred journey them begins. We are then looking at the possibility probability of him breaking Wayne Gretzky's all time goals record of eight hundred ninety four the taking a long talking about Wayne Gretzky is finally the all time leading professional. said he'd be a player to hit seven hundred. What kind of company is in? I mean it's it's the best and the brightest of all time I mean you're talking about Gretzky at the top of the leaderboard of course then you're talking about Gordie Howe. The legendary player that he beat for the goal the scoring title in the early nineties. Yom Your Yager is next at number three Brett Hull. Marcel Dionne Phil Esposito. Oh and then a guy named Mike Gartner who scored like a bunch of goals. Every year but district necessarily legendary players can be the eighth guy to do it or sorry Mike Gartner. We want to give you credit to I feel like Greg Souls you short with his the tonio voice there you were like building Dion Esposito and Mike Gartner when I was in. DC I lived in DC for a long time. You've got a lot of capitols fans at a free Cronyn. Jimmy who sat in the upper deck at the capital gains and he was a longtime capital. Santa Whenever Mike Gartner's name would come up. He would scream seven Andrea nate meaningless goals. So I guess it just Kinda talk with me. What's amazing about ovechkin being so close to seven hundred isn't just the number in the company but the fact that he is only thirty? Four Years Holt right I mean how does that compare to the other guys on the list. That's correct I mean outside of Gretzky. No one has scored more goals in his is I fifteen seasons than Ovechkin has and the age thing is really important to remember because he was going to break Gretzky's record it's going to be productivity through his thirties and that doesn't often happen for. NHL Goal scores usually a point in which they fall off a cliff. And it usually is around Ovechkin sage. But he's on pace. This season for sixty goals and the oldest player ever scored sixty goals a season as Phil Esposito and he was thirty. Two GRETZKY's last sixty goal season happened in his twenty S. So what you're seeing from chicken is doing things at thirty four that no one other other player in. Nhl History has ever done as far as goal scoring and and doing it in an era where Gretzky himself has said. It's harder to score goals now than when I played. There's this famous of education quote. I not doing it. Justice with my own intonation but Russian machine never breaks. He's been remarkably durable over the course of his career right. That's not said that as a rookie After a puck hit his ankle and everybody assumed that he was going to miss the next game he came back he showed up. He played and before the game. They're like how do you do it. Oh the let's the trick and these Russian machine never breaks much better than my thank you so have copious amounts of rocky four when I was a kid. The next fourteen years was supported. This ovechkin in his only missed more than four games in a season once since two thousand sixteen. He's only missed five games. Three to injury and twice suspension for skipping the All Star game to rest up so he doesn't miss time and that's one of the reasons why a lot of us believe that he's got a legit shot at breaking Gretzky's record is that the durability that he's had throughout his career and keep in mind durability playing a very physical style of hockey. I mean there was a time especially in his younger days when Ovechkin was one of the most feared hitters in the league. It's not as if he's just been lolly. Ali ganging around the ice. I mean this guy throws his body around place physically and has maintained his health throughout his career. Let's talk about how we got here. You you mentioned. He delivered that quote when he was a rookie. What has the path to seven hundred? been like for Alex Eskin So ovechkin came up in the NHL in two thousand five to keep in mind. This is the time right after the NHL cancelled entire season for a work stoppage UK for lockout walkout. It is my somber duty to report that. Today's meeting the NHL Board of Governors unanimously reconfirmed that NHL teams will not play at the expiration of the CBA they got a new CBA. They changed a bunch of rules. He enters the league at the same time as Sidney crosby which creates this amazing stones versus Beatles dynamic like here is Alex Ovechkin the Rockstar. Russian athlete he is with the models used drinking vodka. Here is Sidney crosby Canadian golden boy who has been shooting pucks into washing machines. Young lad honing his skills and has been the the anointed anointed chosen. One by the Canadian media even before entered the league and this created sort of hockey zone mini version of magic versus bird. That kind of catapulted the League to new levels of popularity ovechkin and Crosby crosby's says a lot of you fight. It says what are you knees. Stop talking he says has has. He been appreciated for his scoring prowess the entire time. Oh absolutely there is a spot on the ice. The left circle of the offensive zone Ovechkin ovechkin scores around forty four percent of his goals. From there it's been christened the lovie spot and his shot from that point on the ice is so accurate and so one point that if it gets the net especially on the power play I think Blackhawks Star Patrick Kane said best. It's an indefensible play curl. In the fact that Obama can kinda gotta stand added one spot and tee off has always been lauded as a very unique talent and is one of the reasons. Why a lot of the league's greatest goal scorers believe he has a shot at breaking in Gretzky's record because of the mechanics of that shot? I imagine other players cognizant of that do they camp out on that spot. Try To stop him from getting there during in games you try it you. Can't I mean there were times in the last fifteen years. Where certain coaches seem like they had it figured out there was a guy named Kirk Muller? Who used to coach with the Montreal Canadians who they kind of held ovechkin and check for a little bit? And you're like Oh have they figured out how to cover the spot but it's been fifteen years now and Ovechkin keeps scoring from the same spot. It's one of the most amazing things in sports. You know exactly where the Puck is going. You know exactly where Ovechkin is you know. Exactly how he's is going to shoot the PUCK. The goal is no it defenseman. No it the coaches know it. The fans know it and yet no one can stop it so in thinking through Ovechkin 's career his consistency as a score which is why were able to even have this conversation about seven hundred. Beyond how much does playing a single team Washington his entire career factor into that. That's a good question. I mean I think the answer is that it's less playing with a single team but in in Ovechkin case it's been the ability to play with some really good talent. Helen I mean for many years center. Nick backstrom was his pivot. He was one of the most underrated players year after year in the NHL. His playmaking ability later on getting his nets off a brilliant young Russian player was playing with a veteran as well and The power play in particular the fact that he had a lot of talent surrounding him on the power play including John Carlson. Carlson helped out ovechkin immeasurably. Because like you said I mean in theory. If it's one guy doing all this stuff you should be able to defend him right but to have that kind of talent surrounding them. I think helped Ovechkin game immeasurably because it gave teams other weapons to worry about other than Ovechkin. Well we came into the League as a very Highly touted prospect. At what point do you think this even seemed like a possibility that he would break all these records and perhaps go down as the greatest. You know it's funny. There was a time in the early part of the last decade. Doc Id when there were questions about Oh veteran. There was a kind of a crisis moment for Ovechkin early on it was two thousand ten eleven. He scored thirty two goals. Lowest goal total of his career. At that point there was actually a story written in the hockey news back in the day questioning whether or not the capitals would have been better off with Alex ovechkin leaving to play in Russia. We get past that moment and from two thousand thirteen on. He scores fifty goals those in four different seasons. He's on pace to do it again. This season he wins the goal scoring title. In six of seven seasons he becomes. He comes ovechkin again. He finds a smile and from that point on it's just been having a rocket strapped to his back towards the leaderboard on the all time goals race. Well he finds part of his smile right. I mean some of those teeth just ate at their way back into his mouth. This is very true Coming up how much can overtake Gretzky's record and why hi it's harder in today's NHL Oh Greg it seems like a foregone foregone conclusion over. He's GonNa hit seven hundred if not tonight very soon. Eight hundred ninety five which would be surpassing Gretzky's record is not a foregone conclusion. What what kind of timeline would we be looking at for him to get there if you break down the numbers what you're looking at is roughly thirty goals per season for six more seasons and and you know from an age perspective in theory? That's asking a lot. You don't get a lot of thirty goals seasons at guys when they're like thirty eight thirty nine but again. This is a player. WHO's on pace to score sixty goals as a thirty four year old in the National Hockey League in two thousand twenty and has shown that he can score four fifty plus goals into his thirties on a fairly consistent basis in the nineteen eighties the goals per game average three he point eight five and the last decade it was two point seven nine? It's a completely different league. It's so much harder to score and yet ovechkin has found a way to not only score throughout his career but continue to score past the point. That scores don't score anymore right. Gretzky himself said last year. We're very very proud of our era but the game itself is better today than it was in the eighties. How much better are we talking about? Right like how how. Dramatically different isn't how much harder is it to score these kinds of goals. It's a lot harder. It's a lot harder because ovechkin is playing with better. Better athletes all over the ice then Gretzky played with and against think of the style of defensemen for example. Back and Gretzky's Day. You had big hawking defensemen. Yeah I mean it was a much more physical game. You needed guys that were six three. You know to sixty or whatever because it was an era of fighting and physicality the and all this other stuff which is makes it all the more. Miraculously rescue is able to play the way he did. In ovechkin case if you put him in the Delorean and flew back to the nineteen eighties and all of Assad. Now he's playing for the capitals back then with Mike Gartner by the way then. I think you'd find that he'd play fairly well. He's a physical player. He's a specimen he's also a lot faster than than a lot of the guys that played back in the nineteen eighties and like we said the mechanics of his shot. Basically put them in any era and he he can score pretty well. We should also be clear. We're only talking about regular season goals here right because when it comes to the postseason Gretzky's just far far surpassed lovie. Yeah I mean we are talking really regular season goals and we are talking. NHL Goals hearkens back into my favorite things that happened during Gretzky's chase of Gordie house original goal scoring record and keep in mind. The dynamics of this were amazing because Gordy Howe was without question Wayne Gretzky's. He's favorite player as a kid. So when Gretzky finally scored eight hundred goals surpassing Gordy House record of eight hundred one. You know people were asking Gordon. So you're like you know what do you think about Gretzky break in your record and Gordy Howe ago. He broke the NHL Record. Because if you go back to the World Hockey Association days you'll see then I scored many many more goals. Wayne Gretzky did and it was so beautifully petty but also mathematically correct yes obligatory shoutout to each row grow the one true hit king those lines various fan. Just give it to us. We don't have anything else guys. How're in Gretzky? Different like in terms of style of play. How do they compare? Well start off with the position thing right. I mean Gretzky was center so he has a complete of role in the Ice van does Ovechkin who is a left wing thing over. His job is to play physical and and get the puck and score as many goals. Can there isn't one of the knocks on Ovechkin through the years has been that. He's not a complete player in the great ovechkin. Crosby wars the last fifteen years. It's always been acknowledged that crosby as a complete player all around better player even if it is going to end up. Being the better goal scorer Gretzky was an all around good player. I mean he was. He had defensive prowess he could distribute attribute the puck. I mean. That's the reason why he's the all time points leader is because he set up so many goals along with scoring self. It's funny. There is a parallel to be drawn from ovechkin having one spot on the ice where he scored Goals Aka the lovie spot and Gretzky having one spot on the ice where he not only scored some goals but also set up so many of them behind the net which was known as Gretzky's office. So it's Kinda funny. Both these legendary players both have parts of the ice that are designated to their greatness. Map out the rink they also seem to have very different personalities thick. They do a little bit. I mean yes. Remember that that Gretzky is a low key Canadian guy. But he's also I I mean can be kind of a goofball and I think that's one of the things that we definitely love about Ovechkin. Is that through. The years his goofball nece has endeared him to so many people I mean Gretzky start an Elvis Presley parody sketch called waikiki hockey on Saturday night. Live hockey hockey. What are you talking about this? Just something to wash my lucky stick. I don't play much like Ovechkin and once scored a goal in the All Star game skills competition wearing a giant hat and sunglasses. I mean there's a certain amount goofiness inherent in both but again to to drop back to the Canada vs Russia rivalry Gretzky's always the more low key guy for the most part very flashy on the ice a a little bit more reserved in real life ovechkin flashy on the ice flashy in real life an absolute rockstar through his career. MM-HMM SO GREG I'm GonNa put you on the spot. Do you think he can do it. Oh I think he can definitely do it. It's consistency and the fact that he is has eight seasons of fifty or more goals on pace for a ninth. It's the way he shoots. The puck where you don't don't have to depend on skills that may degrade over time due to age speed when you can stand in one spot in the ice and just whip the puck and a goalie and it goes past them forty four percent of the time and I do believe that Russian machine never breaks ovechkin talk to our own Linda Cohn recently on ESPN plus and was asked about his durability Mother Nature. Give me a Hell Body my parents or whatever. Sorry Mom and Dad. Thanks Dad I mean that's that's also kind of Rockstar. Ovechkin right there as well and I agree with Gretzky. I WanNa see it happen. I think that this is one of those moments for hockey. That crosses over if there's two things things that every sports fan knows and two languages that every sports fan speaks it's scoring and breaking all time records and I think that as ovechkin gets on this historic chase if he gets within sniffing distance of Wayne. Gretzky's record you're going to see people gravitate to watch the NHL that otherwise wouldn't give it the time of day and that's a beautiful thing for the sport. Thanks so much greg thank you coming coming up the. XFL Is still in its early stages but one rule change is already a hit. So here's another story. I want you to know as we discussed on Friday this weekend marked the launch of the XFL and while it's still too early to gauge. Whether it's going to be a success there was one facet of the League's debut that was pretty much universally praised by everyone who watched and that was the kickoff role now. ESPN daily listeners. Know I'm maybe a little obsessed with special team so I watch the XFL changes this weekend with great interest and while well. I'm not sure the varied extra point opportunities too much other than highlight that certain coaches are mathematically challenged. I absolutely loved the kickoff role which works like this. The kicker kicks the ball from his own thirty and his teammates lineup on the return side on the thirty five just five yards across from the opposing. Team's blockers either. Side can move. Until the returner who's lined up deeper catches the ball the result. Is You have fewer high-velocity collisions sort that the NFL has been trying to legislate out of the game. And and it's more like a normal rushing play just with a longer runway indie Chris Brown who is a really great twitter follower at smart football if you like XS and Os pointed out that you can basically run blocking schemes like outside zone now spring off. A big run isn't necessarily easy former Bronco's safety where he more more who's on. The DC defenders pointed out after his game that there just weren't gaping holes but the big play potential. Is there on the opening. Kickoff of Sunday's vipers offers guardians tilt for example in New York receiver. Austin Duke broke off along return but we get more exciting place like that. It's too soon on to say but I'll be watching to see continues to work and I hope the N._F._l.. Is Too I mean. Times and this has been E._S._P._N.. Daily I'll talk to you tomorrow.

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84: Are Celebrity Athlete Wines Great or Gimmicks? With Dr. Antonia Mantonakis

Unreserved Wine Talk

29:43 min | 5 months ago

84: Are Celebrity Athlete Wines Great or Gimmicks? With Dr. Antonia Mantonakis

"When you think about wine, what are some words that you can think of and when you look at consumers responses, you could see that there's a little bit of overlap when you think of certain sports like golf, you know it's more prestigious or luxurious or leisure activity may be you know tends to be enjoyed by certain types of people, and so on in these. These routes responses that we got about wine. Whereas sport like soccer, hockey or wrestling, you know we tested a whole bunch of different categories of sport, and the degree of overlap degree of match was not really as strong and Sylvette us to categorize different sports as being a high medium or low match to the product category of mine in order to do our study. Thirst to learn about wine? D Love Stories about wonderfully obsessive people, ponting Lee beautiful places and Amusingly Awkward Social Situations. That's the blend here on the unreserved. Wine. Talk podcast. I'm your host Natalie Maclean and each week I share with you unfiltered conversations with celebrities in the wine world as well as confessions from my own tipsy journey as I write my third book on this subject. I'm so glad you're here now. Pass that bottle. Please and let's get started. Welcome to episode eighty four. Our wines named after sports celebrities any good, or is this just a marketing gimmick? Armour Jantar will sports like Gulf better suited to marketing wine than the more rough and tumble contact world of wrestling. What does research tell us about? The effect of celebrity endorsements on your wind buying behavior. And how does your wine knowledge impact your interpretation of external cues like celebrity endorsement when buying wine? That's exactly what will learn this episode of the unreserved Wine Talk Podcast or channing with Dr Antonia Manton Arcus a professor of marketing and consumer psychology at Brock. University's Goodman School of business in Saint Catharines Ontario. Dr Manta Nakas is also an associate fellow of the cool climate, ethnology and viticulture institute covy the University's Research Institute, focused on the Canadian grape and wine industry. She joins me from the university in Saint, catharines. This conversation first aired on my regular facebook. Live video show a couple of years ago, so keep that in mind as the context for Dr Manton August's comments. Also you'll hear me. Respond to your questions. You can be part of that conversation every second Wednesday at seven PM, Eastern. I'll include a link as to where you can find us on facebook as well as the video version of this conversation. That will be in the show notes at Natalie Maclean. Dot Com forward slash eighty four. If, you want to discover mouth watering juicy wines, and what pair with them, whether they're made by Wayne Gretzky, or leaping lanny, you wrestler was. Sign up for my free online video wine class, five wine and food pairing mistakes that can ruin your dinner and how to fix them forever. Go to Natalie Maclean, dot com forward slash class and choose a time and date that work for you. I look forward to seeing you inside the class. Okay on with the show. Dr Antonio Monagas is on faculty at the Goodman School of business at Brock University in Niagara, Ontario Canada and she's on a number of really interesting consumer perception studies when it comes to the wine market today we're GonNa talk about her study with celebrity athlete endorsed wines or wine brands that have a celebrity name on the bottle so Antonio. First of all. Tell me a little bit about this study. What were you trying to find out with this one? Thanks for having me again Natalie in this study, we were interested in examining consumer's perceptions for different winds at have celebrity pairings to them. We can see right now. In the marketplace, there are so many different options for winds at our endorsed by athletes versus other kinds of celebrities, rappers, and so on, so we really wanted to look at how the degree of match for who the celebrity sponsor was. So for example they think about the match of the kind of sport that the athlete plays with the category of wine, so something like Gulf might seem to be. Be, a closer match to wind versus Katie perhaps in. We didn't pre-test to look at what our consumers perceptions of how these categories of sport match with the product categories line to get an indication of what those matches were in. We wanted to see what effect that level of match had on consumer tastes perceptions in how much they were willing to pay for. The wine would be a better match because it's more sedate were perceived as a gentlemanly versus hockey is rougher tumble. Whatever less Weiner's more bearish I don't know. I'm going to get comments on that anyway. In, that's why we wanted to do the protests. Exactly for the reasons you mentioned we wanted to see what consumers cognition were. What consumers thoughts were now when you think of Golf, what are the first words that come to mind? And we got participants to list what those words were, and then we asked them the same thing about wine will when you think about wine, what are some words that you can think of and when you look at consumers responses, you could see that there's a little bit of an overlap when I think of certain sports like golf. You know it's more. More prestigious or luxurious or at leisure activity may be you know tends to be enjoyed by certain types of people, and so on, and these were the sponsors that we got about wine, whereas sport like soccer, hockey or wrestling, we tested a whole bunch of different categories of sport, and the degree of overlap, or the degree of match was not really a strong and Sylvette lettuce to categorize different sports as being a high medium or low matched to the product category of wine in order to do our study. Were there any others like all came up high as a good match for wine. Gulf was the highest wrestling was the lowest. Yes sir, inbetween which we used. We used hypothetical celebrity sponsors in our actual experiment. Sport that came in between as being. Not, necessarily a good match, but not necessarily a bad match was speed skating in people tended to I think maybe not have as many strong associations. It wasn't one way or the other and so speed skating was somewhere in the middle. So those were the three categories that we use in our actual experiment had Gulf speed skating in wrestling. Why would like to seeing were things like rhythmical gymnastics or swimming would come up at anyway again more room for scientific inquiry in the future, so you made up celebrity athletes. You didn't choose real athletes or this again to control the variables. Is that correct? We used real celebrity names, but what was made up is that they don't have winery, so we had the rock for wrestling with Iraq wine. He doesn't have a wide as far as I know maybe. He was done maybe just but promising also. Here he might had the raw wine. We had Jeremy Wotherspoon as Canadian speed skater as our endorser, I know speeds getting category wine. And then we had vj Singh as our golfer who produces wine because again we wanted to. We didn't WANNA use Mike. We're as the golf name because he does have a wine and we didn't want to introduce that kind of confounded. Maybe one of our participants thought Oh well I've had mike. We're wine and I like it and so I'm going to rate that as the best, so we wanted to keep it control than. Than in the sense that they were all fictitious sponsorships right, and you also controlled then for male versus female because you've chosen all male athletes for this round. That's right we. We protested male and female athletes. We hope to be able to run a study with male athletes in another study with female athletes, but unfortunately we couldn't find a good set of female athlete names, because we wanted to control for pre experimental familiarity and likeability, so we looked at categories like soccer, and everyone loves Christine Sinclair, and so like the ratings for that were way higher and also. Canadian female hockey names and was very difficult to find something that was equally matched to use any experiment, and with the male athletes. The examples that I told you those came out as equal ratings on every other variable. We wanted to control for so that's why we use those ones your results, then what kind of scale we using to prove that the Gulf was much better match than wrestling, and then the speed skating was in the middle in our pre-test. We had participants view a list of about ten sports, so the first pre-test that I mentioned was getting people to generate the thoughts, and so that made us think like okay. Okay, we should probably include possible. Good matches are things like golf and possible. Bad matches are things like wrestling in maybe soccer hockey could be somewhere between two. We included a whole bunch basketball various different kinds of sports, we a list of ten sports, and had another group of participants rank order the degree to which they thought that that sport was a good fit for wine, and we told them hypothetically if you were to think of a good celebrity sponsor in that celebrity was an athlete in one of these categories. Which one do you think could match in so based on those rankings? We were able to come up with golf. Speed skating in the middle and wrestling as the low congruity low matched twice. Those are the pre tests that we did. We chose those three. We had participants come here into the lab to do a wine tasting study. We told the participants that they were GonNa be sampling, three wines today, and and that they with the endorsed by different people in that we wanted to get a sense of how they found the taste of the wine, and how much be willing to pay for the wine, or if they'd be willing to buy the wine, and so on, so those scales included in overall. How much do you like the taste of the wine of scale from? From one to seven overall. How much would you be willing to buy this wine on a scale of one to seven and overall? How much are you willing to pay for this? And now that was in a scale response. This was a free report. They could have written any dollar amount in Canadian dollars that they would be willing to pay so that's the study that we did. So. What did you find in terms of the results? What we fan on which may be surprising, but it's actually consistent with previous research in consumer psychology is that the overall evaluation of the taste of the wine and willingness to buy, and and also the willingness to paint Canadian dollars was pretty similar, if it was a really really good match to, if it was really really bad match, but where we got the spike in data where we got higher ratings for people, saying I would be willing to pay a couple of dollars more for this was for the moderate match some for the wine that was endorsed by the speed skater. People said you know what I like the taste of this little bit better. This was especially the case of four our participants who were a little bit higher. Involved with wind because at the end of the study, we gave participants a simple questionnaire to gauge their knowledge and enthusiasm about wine. It's kind of like a mini Trivia tests that asks people facts about winer what colors scrape Freidel, and so on and people who are very enthusiastic and involved in wine tend to get these questions correct, whereas more casual consumers tend. Tend to make more errors on this and so based on their score on that wine knowledge questionnaire we were able to analyze the data based on whether these participants were high ursus lower knowledge about wine, and it was actually the higher knowledge consumers who tended to show this spike in the data that a like the taste better and they be be willing. Willing to pay a couple of dollars more if it was endorsed by the moderate matched athletes to the wine, so they weren't willing to pay a few dollars more for the good match of say the Gulf Vj Singh, and presumably not for the wrestling guy, but you didn't see that strong response for the the good match. Do against I would say it. It was surprising, but it seems to fit with previous research, so let me try to explain a previous research in how this finding is consistent is that when consumers are creating something, a Co brand or sponsorship match? In this case, it's the match of the sponsor of the sport or category that the athlete belongs to the product category of wine for instance. Something that is maybe too predictable or seems to make sense. Leads the consumer to kind of evaluated, and it's kind of fit with their expectations, and so they might not think further about it. It's in line with their expectations or their thoughts about the two categories, and similarly, if it's in Congress pairing like Ling and wine that seems to be a big mismatch. Consumers tend to think that's just odd, and so they're not gonNA have. Anything special event. They're just going to evaluate it in. Move on, but if something is a moderate match, so it consumer needs to elaborate on it and well. This is speed skater on kind of intrigued. They might just pay more attention and elaborate a little bit more extensively than they might have for the other two categories, the other two pairing examples, and and it's that extra elaboration extra thought process that might lead them to need to kind of give it a fair chance, and and resolve any kind of inconsistencies that they might have in their mind, and I know that I'm explaining that thought process very. Very much in depth, but this is what we think is happening at a very quick level in the consumer's mind mindset in in. It's for that reason, if this moderate mismatch that leads people to kind of elaborate more in think a little bit more that makes them have this slightly higher evaluation about the moderate match wind bearing that makes sense actually I find that fascinating effect. It probably isn't very fast. Consumer thought process, but still it's it's happening and it's. It's interesting just from purely psychology point to understand that, so you and I both have. Celebrity Athlete Wines Oath Canadian. You have which one I have. The Mike Wears. Having won't. A Golfer Guy and I had a hockey. Guy Wayne Gretzky's Pinot Noir. Now we've already talked about the. Sit here, I'm just wondering if Wayne Gretzky might of sort of slid in there because he was very much, a gentleman hockey player wasn't one of that. What are they called goons or the enforce? At a whole other sliver, perhaps research I don't know. The reputation of the athlete might have an influence because he was well regarded at anyway. That's a good point that you raised in. I certainly WANNA point out that in the experiment we ran. We didn't include these other factors of for instance with Wayne Gretzky. He's got a whole host of brands in brand portfolio, and so we didn't look at that impact because you're right. He is a great guys. well-known in candidates well known to many consumers in. That's why I think it's a such a great idea that he does have so many brands in his portfolio I mean he's gotten sketchers, and there's a T. brand and wine, and so that's something we didn't look into. Because that is something that could impact as you said the personality of the celebrity if he's a winner. Always Essay, so yeah, and just having other merchandise consumers will be used to a Wayne Gretzky brand on other products and services, so like a line extension of line might be less of a jolt I guess to see their. You've seen the Wayne Gretzky clothing and you've seen the Wayne Gretzky out no cruise ship package the shoes with her. It's interesting and I'm wondering what you think like. If you think that buying behavior, wine is more prone to these extrinsic factors. Do you think we're more hung up on that? Because of the social hangups around line save verses, Orange Juice Served Coca Cola whatever soda pop I guess I should say. That's a good point. The name of the celebrity athlete and even the category of sport that they're involved in is extrinsic to the actual. Wine itself right something that's on the label in. It's not Wayne Gretzky out there. Harvesting the grapes right, it's it's no. Doing now by off season. It definitely is an extrinsic cue that the consumer is using to make their judgment about the the quality and perception in the taste of the wine They're willing to pay for the wine. And so on. That's just one example of of an extra security. Prices Never Q. and and consumers use these cues all the time. When making quality judgment, we know a lot about the perception of price, the price quality relationship that consumers have that interpretation, and so this is just another example of extras. Accu- that consumers are going to be using in our research. It seems to be that it's a more. Higher Knowledge. Enthusiastic wine consumer that is going to use this cue for their judgment in now. This doesn't necessarily mean that extras. Accuser only use by higher knowledge consumers. There's certain cases where. You know more knowledge. Consumers will use cues, color, or country of origin or There's an animal on the label. In all those extremes accused, but they may not necessarily be used by higher knowledge. Consumers may be more likely used by lower knowledge consumers. That's what our researcher hoping to discover is uncovered. What the extremes accuse are that consumers use in different situations and how that interact with whether the person is more experienced with wine versus. Being more casual consumer. Action I think really. What do you think of your Mike? We're long. I like it it. Would you think I've tried it before? And I think it's a really good value I think I rated eighty seven points, if that means anything, and then this war from Wayne Gretzky, I think is terrific I think yours is probably under fifteen dollars. This is more like around twenty twenty five dollars. I think these are actually good. Wines Msa these aren't just you know name on a label. Their their well-produced lines, and both are partnering with very solid wineries in Niagara actually making the wine. Mike wearing, Wayne Gretzky are busy. They're not. Great, so what's next for you, Antonio? which aspect of research are you going to pursue next la? I want to maybe just describe it. We're mentioning. Accused in. There's a study that we just started running back. Is Looking at the effects of a very. Simple. Queue. And That queue is there's a picture on the label or not, and he picked her at all. We could certainly imagine bottles of wine met have a picture of our or maybe even a picture related to the name of the wine and. Our colleagues in New Zealand have done some preliminary laboratory work. Where they brought people into a lab, and they didn't show actual wine bottles, but they showed labels. And They told their participants that there was a California wine. Competition and certain wines won gold medals amongst the labels that we're going to show you and its your task in the study to decide based on the label which winds you think were gold medal winners in this competition now the competition fictitious a just made up these labels with or without a photo to see if the addition of a photo to the label made a difference in consumers, perceptions of whether the. The winds were award winning and Masson deed what they found that their participants in the study were more likely to think it was an award winning wine in this California wine competition if it had a photo in the Labor, not, and you know this is a pretty fascinating discovery, because it's such a simple addition to a label to include a photo and the next step in his collaboration that we have that we're running here in our lab to see whether. The addition of the photo on the label makes a difference to consumers evaluation of the taste of the wine. And how much they were willing to pay for that wine can. Certainly you can imagine when you go into a winery and somebody pours ball for you. In some cases they leave the bottle there on the counter free while you're tasting, it and other chases. They put it down the low the shell and it's outside of the view if the consumer and same thing at the L. C. O. When we have different products samplings in again, the bottle could be displayed right there as you're tasting, or it could be turned around or put away, and if the photo makes a difference for the consumer's perception of a taste of the wine. That would be important to know so. That's where research is headed. That's true. Too very practical takeaways when you're designing a label, but also how you display it whether it's in the tasting room at the winery or in store as much as you can with tastings or shelf facings I guess is what they call them in the Industry Antonio this has been fascinating. Thank you so much. You doing some really great and important work for the wine industry here and. Viagra narrowing, Canada's lucky to have your brain applied to various industry so i. wish you all the best, and let's keep in touch. I love to hear about other studies as you do them. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me this great. Well there. You have it I. Hope You enjoyed this chat with Dr. Antonio Manta Nagas here are my takeaways. Number One. I expected Gulf to be the best match with wine wrestling the worst, however I find it fascinating that it was actually the sports in the middle like speedskating. That were a moderate match for which consumers would pay the most. As Dr Manton August explained. It's because people have to think more about that match, and many would give it a fair shot rather than dismissing it as they might. A wine sport match that completely fits their expectations or one that doesn't at. Number two I was also surprised that those with higher levels of my knowledge were more likely to pay for these winds in the middle I would have expected that they'd be more skeptical about such endorsements overall, however, there, high involvement in wind probably leads them to be more curious than a consumer with low involvement or knowledge in the wine category. Number three I think it'd be fascinating to know of celebrities like Wayne Gretzky who have product lines in other categories would seem to be more of a fit in wine versus someone who doesn't have multiple endorsements. My guess I think he would. And number four I do think we're all more influenced by the EXTRINSIC. Online like celebrity endorsement and labeled design. Then we are in many other product categories. Because often, that's all we have to rely on unlike the book where he can read the first chapter or address that you can try on, you can't try before you buy when it comes to wine. We'll have Dr Manton August back in a future episode, talking about her experiments with consumers in their perceptions based on the price of wine. It's not what you think. You won't WanNa miss next week when I'll be chatting with REX Pickett the author of the novel Sideways and the Multiple Award winning Alexander Payne film of the same title. Remember Miles on not drinking any fricken Merlo. Sideways captured two Golden. Globes, and Academy Award for best adapted screenplay and the prestigious writers Guild Award. He joins me from his home in California next week. In the meantime if you missed episode twenty nine where we talk with wind detective, Maureen Downey about how wine labels have been faked throat centuries. Go back and take a listen. I'll share a short clip with you now to wet your appetite. I worked in options for many years, and I've been managing collections, and it's not just the crusty, old, nineteen, sixty bottled into free about because the current wife fraud that we're seeing is recent images recent releases. So you think that you don't buy thousand bottles in there for wine. Fraud doesn't affect you. You're wrong. There's been a lot of mayor Vol Rosaiah. That's counterfeit more and more Brunello to Chino in the forty range that is coming out as counterfeit so this really does hit all aspects of the industry. The not is because we have seen such low punishment for those who get caught doing this that organized crime has gotten into the game because if you get caught human trafficking or trafficking drugs, you're going away forever. You get caught counterfeiting wine or so and Counterfeit Y. You may get a slap on the wrist if that literally. If you like this episode, please tell a friend about it especially when WHO's interested in the fascinating tips that Dr Manta Nakas shared. You'll find links to. The winds tasted a full transcript of our conversation. The video version of this chat, and where you can find us on facebook live every second Wednesday at seven PM. That's all in the show notes at Natalie Maclean Dot. com forward slash eighty four. And if you want to connect with me, personally join me in a free online video. Class HAD NATALIE MACLEAN DOT com forward slash class. Thank you for taking the time to join me here I. Hope Something Great is in your glass this week. Perhaps Gretzky Chardonnay. You. Don't WanNa Miss One juicy episode of this podcast. Especially, the secret full body bonus episodes that I don't announce on social media, so subscribe for free now at Natalie MacLean dot com forward slash. Subscribe maybe here next week, here's.

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ARRL Audio News - October 2, 2020

ARRL Audio News

11:27 min | 2 months ago

ARRL Audio News - October 2, 2020

"This is ARRL. Audio news your weekly summary of News highlights from the world of amateur radio. If you re transmit audio news through a repeater listen for the morse code ke character followed by 4 seconds of Silence that your cue to stop transmitting so that your repeater timer can reset. I'm Brooklyn who is WW1 M A and this is ARRL audio news for Friday, October 2nd, 2020. You can find additional details on the news reported here by visiting the ARRL web site w w w o r g the 15th annual ARRL online auction will open a an early bird preview and registration on Thursday October 8th and will open for bidding at 10 a.m. Eastern time. That's 1400 Zulu on Thursday, October 15th wage. The option is sponsored by GigaParts The 20/20 ARRL online auction includes a large assortment of qst product review items including a couple of amplifiers a six-metre linear a Yazoo ftdx101d and an Icom IC 9700 VHF UHF multimode the online auction also features a wide assortment. Average books including the ARRL handbook radio for everybody and CQ Ghost Ship check out the preview. If for no other reason than to take a look at the cover of that vintage book this year bitters will also find novelty items mystery boxes and special items donated by the cast and crew of fox television's last month and standing starring Tim Allen as Mike Baxter ka0xtt to place a bid you have to register on the ARRL online auction website, you may browse the web site and scope out those must-have items without being registered. However, and you can register at any time during the auction. The ARRL web site has a sales proceeds from the ARRL online auction benefit ARRL education programs. Or pandemic delayed 2019 ARRL annual report is now available online and soon and print for members ARRL president Robert Roderick. K for you are called 2019 an exciting year for a double r l with several new initiatives moving through planning and development for roll out in 2020 excited on a magazine and the ARRL online learning center is steps taken toward the new generation of hams president Roderick said the ARRL online learning center and array of online courses that will at first serve new hams and later expand to courses and materials for hams at all skill levels was expected to launch early next year president Roderick said 2019 was more than busy for a r r l but that it was productive and constructive. So highlights ARRL membership was essentially flat from 2018 at 156755 membership in the amateur radio emergency service or areas core grew by 3130 and 2019 and bought a new areas comprehensive Plan was introduced and a spelled out in the financial tables a double r l had a particularly good year in 2019 with League ending the year with the black. The end had to come someday and now it has four Hara Arena the former venue for Dayton Hamvention and Myriad Sports entertainment and other presentations over the years and the wake of a failed attempt to revitalize the tornado damaged complex officials in the city of Trotwood, Ohio where Hara Arena is actually located announced plans on a street to raise the complex and rezone the property from commercial recreation to light industrial the complex suffered extensive damage during the 2019 Memorial Day tornado outbreak making it too much of a challenge to redevelop the property. Thus the wrecking ball has arrived the Dayton Daily News reported that the properties owners will have the iconic Marquee letters spun out Hara Arena Atop The main Arena preserved they'll be auctioned off with the proceeds going to charity care Arena served as the venue for Dayton Hamvention from 1960. For until 2016 when it closed over at 6 decade history Arena hosted concerts by performers that included the Rolling Stones and the Grateful Dead. It was a girl. So we're hockey Legend Wayne Gretzky played his first professional hockey game. Am SATs Bruce page? K k v d o notes field day is long over in the results of the am sad Field Day held at the same time as the a double r l Field Day in June have been posted. They appear in the current issue of the journal as well as online at amsat. Click on events then amsat field day on the satellites this year because of covid-19. I'm sad offered certificates not only to the top three Club stations and Tom home station on emergency power, but to the top three home stations on emergency power as well as the 2003 home stations on Commercial power. If you plan on a listening in on the amsat virtual twenty-twenty space Symposium and annual general meeting on October 18th. You'll need to register by Friday, October 16th at 5 p.m. Central Time That's 2200 Zulu visit em, sat. Click on Amazon and you then click on events. Best of all it's worth To everyone. Thanks Bruce. I'm Ruth Lindquist WW1 M A and this is ARRL audio news for Friday October 2nd, 2020 wsjt-x Beta release wage has introduced digital protocols designed for long wave and medium wave bands such as twenty two hundred meters and 630 meters developers. Say that during the first few months of testing May Spann Twitter Continental paths many times on those bands. The new protocols called FST for and Fs t4w are included in wsjt-x version 2.3.0 release candidate 1fst for is for two-way contacts while FST for W is for quasi Beacon style. Transmissions. Both modes are full range of options for TR sequence lengths and threshold decoding sensitivities extend. Well into the minus 40 DB range the wsjt-x development team said operation. Familiar with the software suite will find using FST for and FST 4w straightforward FST for offers TR sequence length from 15 seconds to 1800 seconds. That's half an hour as you don't have to do the math FST for w sequences start at two minutes wsjt-x version 2.3 off first 12 different digital protocols, the wsjt-x, 2.3 user guide and the release notes include all the information you'll want to know. China's camps at says the cas seven a satellite launch has been postponed until next May and c a s v a won't go up until next June campsites Allen khong VA one. Do you told a double r l at covid-19 as delayed a lot of things now, here's the cool part. Both satellites will carry two transponders that include HF any configuration similar to that of the Russian RS satellites of decades ago the cas 7 8 transponders will have 30 kilohertz past bands one will up link on $15,000 and down link on ten meters. Another will go up on HF and come down on 70 centimeters. The array of c a s v a linear transponders will include HF to hm h f 2 UHF and VHF UHF most with 30 kilohertz past bands. Applications for the 2021 a double r l Foundation scholarship program will be accepted between October 1st and December 31st. All applicants must be f60 licensed radio amateurs and many scholarships have other specific requirements such as intended area of study residence within a particular a double r l division section or state tax and license Class applicants should review the scholarship descriptions on the a double RL Foundation website and check off the ones for which they are eligible. If you complete an online application, you must also email a PDF of academic transcripts from your most recently completed school year by January 11th, 2021. Some scholarships require additional documents to be submitted such as letters of recommendation applications not accompanied by transcripts and additional documents where applicable will not be home. Considered the a double RL Foundation scholarship committee will review all applicants for eligibility and award decisions scholarship recipients will be notified in May twenty Twenty-One Blackjack USPS mail and email for more information visit the a double r l Foundation scholarship program page. I'm irked Lindquist WW1 M A and this is a dead body. Oh news for Friday, October 2nd 2020. You can find additional details on the news reported here by visiting the ARRL web site w w w. M r l o r g 73 And that concludes ARRL audio news for this week. Our thanks to all contributors to this week's report ARRL audio news is produced by the American radio relay League the National Association for amateur radio for more information on amateur radio or the ARRL visit us on the web at you can also find us on Facebook and Twitter by searching ARRL. 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