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Coach George Raveling on This Unique Moment in Time, How to Practice Self-Leadership, Navigating Difficult Conversations, and Much More (#438)
"Optimal. Altitude I can run flat out. And start shaking. Question. Now it! Time. Organism living tissue metal skeleton. Hello Ladies and gentlemen. This is Tim Ferriss and welcome to another episode of the Tim Ferriss Show this powerful and unusual episode featuring coach George Raveling, who made his first appearance on the podcast in two thousand eighteen right now I'm looking at a tweet from a Listener Ryan, m who called it his favorite podcast of all time, that type of feedback came in again and again for personally he was one of the most impactful interviews I've ever done. And I came out of it walking on air effectively co traveling is really much more than a coach sports. He is a coach of life and has led many people through difficult decisions. Difficult periods difficult. Difficult transitions we covered a lot of ground in that first interview, including how coach Raveling came to own the original copy of Dr Martin Luther King Junior's I have a dream speech. How has practice team ended up beating the nineteen eighty-four US Olympic Dream Team basketball? How helped convince Michael Jordan to sign with Nike and much much more you can find it by going to teamed up log forward slash George Raveling Rav. E L I N G. I strongly encourage you to listen to that conversation. When you can about coaches, life, philosophies and lessons learned. I invited George back on the podcast to hear his thoughts on everything. That is happening right now. These are obviously very difficult and uncertain times for millions of people, and my heart goes out to each and every person navigating the depths of sadness, anger, fear and many other emotions right now as you'll hear in today's episode could traveling has great hope. He seen many changes in his lifetime, and we can all strive to be the positive change agents that he implores us to be before we get to today's conversation. Here's a very brief bio which barely scratches the surface coach George Raveling on twitter at George Raveling, an eighty two year, old living, Legend and Nike's former Director of international basketball coach Raveling was the first african-american head. Head basketball coach in the PAC eight now PAC twelve on August, twenty, eighth, nineteen, sixty, three at age, twenty six, while volunteering as security at the march on Washington raveling humbly became the guardian of what we now know. As Dr Martin Luther King Junior's I have a dream speech coach Raveling is held head coaching positions at Washington State University of Iowa and USC following a prolific basketball coaching career. He joined Nike at the request of Phil Knight where he played an integral role in signing a reluctant Michael Jordan. He's also been inducted into the night Smith. Memorial Basketball Hall of fame and the National Collegiate Basketball Hall of fame. Please enjoy this timely and timeless conversation with coach George Raveling. Coach I. Appreciate You taking time to record this. Follow up to our conversation. It is June seventh, twenty, twenty, following the death of George. Floyd a lot is happening. How or where would you like to start? I would like to start with a prayer. Please do do merciful God. We come before you on this day. To request you compassionately welcome. George Floyd. Into Your heavenly kingdom! Please restores breath. His heartbeat! He'll is wounds. Allow him to live the lives. He was denied on our. God. Showers, some of your richest gifts on the Floyd family. Give them the strength doing these challenging times. Their God. Answered George is dying requests for his mother. please. Fleas. Tonight, Then one more time. And finally dear Lord. We ask you. To Bring Comfort. And understanding. So the multitude of families. Who have suffered? The. Loss of their own loved ones. During these times of social change. We make this request in your name. Amen. Amen Thank you for that. Georgia I find myself. In a very different place than I normally would in these conversations I typically come in with a long list of questions have typically done a lot of homework on the personnel be speaking with, and we've already had one very very long conversation and covered lot, but this is really. A An afternoon where I would like do more listening than anything else and I just love to hear from you what you're. What you're observing or what you'd like to share about yourself as a way of entering into this conversation, one of the things that you might find intriguing Tim. Is that I have. Had what I call a stop strategy. And I've had this for years and years and years and I feel it so applicable to contemporary times and the things. We're dealing with now I. think each of us are given one life to live. And each was had fundamental responsibility. To protect that vice and protect ourselves from deaths, and when I have conversations with myself. I say to myself. I must never forget. This. Reality! I am black. Forever. And my number one goal. is to stay alive. You know I'm eighty eighty two year old black man. And I drive a a black Alexis as you week. and. Does I feel I have to have a stop strategy? What do I do? If I'm pulled over by police. I've got to turn off the motor. I'M GONNA. Turn on the PLO and I. Add some overt evidence. What took place? I'M GONNA roll the window down. I'M GONNA put my hands high up on the steering wheel so. It'll be obvious that I don't have anything in my hands. I'll be polite. I'll be overly polite. Now say yes, sir, no sir. Yes, ma'am, no ma'am! And there's a request made for my license I'll ask for permission to reach into my pocket and pull it out. I'll give them my dragush license and I'll also give them. An Old Faculty ID card that I had from when I was coaching at USA. And then I'll pray. And at that moment I always have one objective. And that is to stay alive. And Ten. Raleigh. It comes a time when you're. When you, you been a black person. Where we have to be. Funded with this reality in that reality is that? We're black forever. But you know what the burden of being black is something that I've wealth. And hopefully. It'll bring out the best in me. The very best in me, and and when all is said and done. The, only the only true. Validation I see. Is Myself Validation. I've grown to understand that I if it's just senseless for me to struggle for America's validation. If I do that Jim I'm always going to be chasing ghosts. And so that's why as an eighty two year old. Black male. I understand the importance and relevance of having what I call a stop strategy, and have you ever had to use that? Have you used it outside is? Do you have other stop strategies for outside of the automobile? How else what other strategies have you carried with yourself throughout life as a black male? Do any come to mind. As your relationship to be in stopped by a policeman I simple as as I've been pulled over I on Thomson, and and can be totally transparent if it was if I ran a light or I added speeding ticket. I clearly understand that, but I also recognize that there is a protocol that law Westwood has engage in, and so I'm not gonNA. Ever assume that that my life is not at at risk and so I I WANNA BE I WANNA be prepared when when I, if something like that. Happens. Sadly. I feel like. I'd reached a point in life. Where I have to live my life on defense I've gotta worry more about someone else's. deportment our behavior, then my own. and. I realized that as a said. Out Forever be black, so I have to expect that. There's going to be certain preconceived ideas about me as a black male. People's people saying they know me, Tim? But they don't. They don't really know me. and. I can honestly say you in my lifetime. that. Most people have never really tried to know me. They have a surface impression of May and may be one of our challenges is to try to better understand each other I. Don't put an indictment on people, but I feel guilty. That I think I. Need to know people. I need. I need to feel their paying ninety two to to understand that they're carrying somebody else's cross. And you've instant impressions, misconceptions I want to mention for people who perhaps didn't listen to part one because I imagine a lot of people will jump to this very timely as of recording conversation, we're having now, but you own probably more than a hundred thousand dollars worth of black collectibles, including figurines books postcards first addition of Uncle Tom's cabin, and some of these are very derogatory. Black person eating watermelon with a smile on his face on a postcard for instance and some of the notes themselves written on those postcards are very derogatory and I remember from our first conversation. You started to build this historic. That you could have a legacy for your children and their children. Why is that I? Say That one. This story. To. I need a constant reminder. Of of times gone by and how we shall. We arrived at where we are today. I, I I used to go to compose to postcard antique shows, and and now it go and search out the vendors who who sold postcards I. I have over a thousand dollars. And back to the point Tim when you have to put a stay on them. And the one common denominator album all. His derogatory itches on black folks. Eating order melon, big lips smiling like we're the subtle. References, are influences. By the they happy they're, NOT BEWILDERED Look Look, look we. We treat him. Good look, they smile. And then they remind me also. To tell a story of this long journey of inequity and injustice in so I, I collected the cards I mean if you if you were to to read some of the messages on their their abominable. But it show it remind me of the long road. We've travel and the long road that we still have to travel to become who we say. We are I say something to that. That's been a little bit surprising to me, Is And it's somewhat of a personal phenomena. But as addition moment. That we speak. I can I get a report to you that eighty five percent. Of My white friends associates. Five, not call me. And so I think begs some questions to do. I think you're obligated absolutely nuts. And my mad. I'm disappointed no! Do I think it would be helpful. Yes. So then the question is why I think it's another overt example in my opinion is because people don't know what to say. I get it. Most of us are not ready. And, we're not good. At having real conversations, we're not good. At having difficult conversations. because. Real conversations challenge us. Real conversations, and difficult. Conversations in my opinion. They make us stand in our own truth. And they teach us that we have to be to tellers. And we got. We got listened to learn. Not only that I think we, we have to learn check as. Intelligent questions. We. Are Two sided. We are the problem. And we OUGHTA solution. We, you and I have chatted recently, and you've mentioned the importance of honest conversations and one thing you've. You've mentioned to me that I'd love to hear you. Elaborate on as you said on his conversations with others and honest conversations with ourselves. What do you mean by that well? First of all Jim when someone says, Hey, a coach or Georgia. I wanted to meet with you. I WANNA. Can I have a I'd like to talk to you about some to. So immediately. I go. And start to have a conversation with myself and the first thing I say to myself. Is going to be a conversation, or is this GonNa? Be a debate? Because it is totally different. You know. Some people. That they frame it as a as. A conversation, but it really becomes a debate because it's a debate, it's about winning and losing. It's about right and wrong, and I surrender right from the beginning. I'll gladly say you're right. I'm not because I. You get into the conversation and the sole ten is the proved to you that they are right and you are raw. Hopefully they can get you to be who they they want you to be that they like. They want you to think I think. To have a real conversation. But first thing versions got to do. Is they've got the have have the willingness to stand in their own truth. and. They've got to be willing to to tell the truth. And I believe people have to listen to learn and to understand God knows that there is ever in time in our lives, and we need to listen to learn and understand it's. It's at this time right now. And another thing that I think to have a real conversation as That's govern. are talked to listen ratio and go back to put more clarity on the question that you asked. I think. Some of the most important conversations we can have each day or two conversations that we have with ourselves. There's basically two conversations way engage in conversations with others and the conversation with does selves and and I do believe that probably the most important conversations we'll have. It are the conversations we have with ourselves when we listen to our inner voice, and and we talk and many ways I believe right now to the most important words in the English language our way in us as a society. I would really like to see us have more conversations. About? Life and death and writing raw. I really think we do ourselves disturbance when we don't. Deal with the fundamentals in the fundamentals of life, and there's nothing more fundamental than allies. And what gives one woman being? The the Dash T to think that they have the right. It takes someone else's life. What is it? That would make one human being. Totally devalue. And, just respect the life of another human, being regardless of what. Color they are. It's just human arrogance that that one could be so disrespectful of the greatest gift of all the gift of life, and why don't we have conversations around the that fundamental aspect and why is it that we don't have meaningful discussions about? For Riding Long I didn't. As some ways, Tim I think each of us tend see them world to our own lenses. I don't know. Maybe maybe it'd be helpful if we would attempt to see the world through the Lens of others. I know one thing quiz shore. It would give us a balanced perspective of just going to say and I think it also making an attempt to do that. Can defuse some of the reactivity or emotion that can escalate things and caused greater problems and one thing you said to me in our last conversation. Was that an? I'm paraphrasing here, so please feel free to correct. It relates to what you just said you said. If you start white and black or white versus black, black versus white immediately, many people on both sides are going to be in the defensive, and it's going to become like you said earlier a debate, and would it not be more helpful to try to go to a higher level where you can find some? Shared experiences shared Important questions. To to to at least begin the conversation so that not everyone is. In debate form and and reactive so I just wanted to to echo that because it came to mind as you're speaking. A hard call reality is this. That many days we spend more time talking to screen than we do face to. Human being! And I've Kinda grown in the latter years of my life to understand. that. I'm a product of an educational system. That was based on. Telling me. What to do, and what the think? Instead of teaching me how to think. And so much of my time now. Is Meant. Fine to teach myself. How does thing? And There's so much time that I I have to make up. Because of the fact that. I didn't ever really understand the relevance or importance of being able to sing, because someone always told me what does. And in many ways you. As a black person growing up. And a variety of ways there's always someone telling you. We know what's best for you. I don't know what's best for me. Than how to help. Somebody else thinks they know what's best for me If you flashback to the Civil Rights Movement for people who may have. Jumped ahead and skipped. coversation you own the original copy of the what later became known as the I have a dream speech, Dr Martin Luther King Junior handed you this speech himself, as he came off of the Diet because you were, you ended up through an amazing story, which people listen to part one for you ended up working security as a volunteer and were handed this speech, so you've you've been in the thick of so many defining moments in. The history of this country, certainly as it relates to civil rights, what are some of the differences that you see or commonalities that you see when you look back at your experience in the civil rights movement and you look at what's happening right now. I. I think that. I. Keep going back every day and have these inner conversations with myself about. Life. And Death. and. That's one thing that hasn't changed his. For a lot of worse. It's still. Lives and desk. I? Remember watching a documentary on television and. It was about to the lunch counter demonstrations in Greensboro in years gone by. And the leader of the the demonstrators they were having a meeting in church. And at the. Of, the meeting. The leader said. Two demonstrators, he said. Before, you all leave. I need you to do something. I need you to. The HUG everybody. In this room. And tell them that you love him. He said. And I want every one of you. Can do it. No matter how long it takes! and. I want to tell them goodbye. He said. Because tomorrow night we'll be. Some y'all ain't going be here. and. It's goes back to that same thing. Our lives. And I. This day I'm so startled. At the courage those students had. I don't know. When I was eighteen or nineteen or twenty. And I was a student at will over. If I would have the courage. To put my life on the line. And No! Tomorrow night. I might not be bad. And Tim so much as We would like saying. It's about black and white it is. But, it's it's about life. It's about human life and. I I see. I don't know if I could have done it. I don't know if I. If I if I had to I'm sure I would martin, Luther King used to say if a man or woman hasn't found something in life. They're willing to die Ford. And maybe they're not fit to live, and there comes that seminal moment. Every one of our lives where we have to say to is so. I live. For? Do Are I. And so it it's tough. You know you something just popped into my mind. You're asking me about about the selections in that and. Something popped in my mind I just I think if we don't understand our past him in our president. Then, there'll be no future. And so there's symbolic. Evidence of the past. But, if I don't understand my pets and my president I have no future. When you think about building a future, and it's crafting a path towards a future that is better than today. One distinction that that you've drawn in our previous conversations is group leadership versus I think you put it a self leadership. Could you speak to what that means. If, you were to go into the vast room in my house right now him. In the middle of the the mirror in the mirror, not in in the main bathroom is is probably six well, maybe not sixty raving four four feet long, and that's a very rectangular. And in the middle of it I have signed up there. And I watch too. So I have to see every day every morning and every evening. In Times throughout the day in the signs simply says. Practice. And then the underneath it. It has to statements, south leadership. And Self. And I don't think that there's. Any more. Vulgar on court with time. In practice those. Would he say in rightfully so that we're lacking leadership? I've asked numerous in my friends over the last few months. Tim this question. Tell me who you think are the five grade is leaders on the globe right now and none of can be a corporate executive. And I have not had one single person who could get past three days. And, so I say that it's over evidence that. That are in the midst of leadership. Crisis de-emphasis. But I do know. That if one were to go to the Library Congress and look books on leadership, then we'd be over three thousand books written on leadership, but those both. All speak to group, leadership Three or four books on self leadership Robert Greenlees Focus, probably the most competent This is This is the forty eight laws of power by Robert Greene. Not Robbie greeting. This is a book of I certainly. And it's on self leadership. And so to me. If, you can't lead yourself. How in the world are you going to lead anybody else? And For many of us the only person wherever you're GONNA get the leaders ourself in so I can. Continue to say we have bad leadership. We lack leadership chat. But I have a responsibility to lead myself in these times of turmoil. and. Then the second part of that signs is to be self disciplined. And Show I think. If nothing else I have to serve as they. Over example I'm someone. Who? Recognize the need for leadership and recognize that I can control myself leadership and I can exercise myself. Discipline and so so much of my life as as never changed him. Most of my life. Has Been Governed by a simple form would. Survive. And Thrive. I mean if I could take him back. To, June, twenty seven. Nineteen thirty seven. And a little, a little black boy! Was Born in the basement of his segregated hospital. In Washington DC. and. The gave that baby the name George. And he was born in. The basement of the segregated. It'll. Call, Garfield and there was an in Florida adding it. Blacks were only could enter. The hospital from from the back and they had to go down to the basement. And so the first breath. As a human being that that breed. Was Air from the air. On segregation. And from that point on. I've had. Throughout. How do I? Survive when I was growing up in Washington DC. The city was seventy three percent black. Today, it's forty five percent black, the lowest it's. It's slipped under fifty percent for the first time in fifty years. When you hear of people used connotation chocolate city. Washington DC was a original. Chocolate city with seventy three percent of the population. And so, this black boy child Georgia Raveling lives over. A meat market and Auburn League market on the second floor. There was three apartments and none of Madda a bathroom. There was the bathroom at the end of the hallway. That had a commode. Sink. and. There's three. Families who lived in those apartments? We had to learn. To be so this glint. We had the practice of leadership. We had to figure out how three families could use one Komo one thing. And one bad. But we made it. We made it work. and. Then we we lived on the corner of Florida new in church yet no and You Walk. From from there to what is now the university? But at that time when I was young boy. Washington had a baseball team called the Washington. Senators and people were fond to say and I in war first in peace and last Sunday Merck and Lee. But they play their games in Griffin, stadium and I walk to Griffin Stadium from my where I live. And, so I used to walk up there. And I got a job selling scorecards. And the old days in baseball. He didn't have the technology and so forth, and so that the fans would have scorecard, and they would keep this data and the and the score on his scorecard, and so what you did. She stood outside the stadium us and US soul scorecards in pencils. And I also tried to deliver or did delivered newspapers to make. some little extra money. In those days tim? If. You were black. You didn't have the luxury jury something. When you're located, you dream every dream you're GONNA be coaches. So even for a black person in those days was the luxury. You got up every morning and you look out world and the toast stands, and you've tried to figure out. How can I survive? You had no dreams you had no owes. It was literally all about surviving from day to day. And here I am. At Age. Eighty two. and. I still. Grapple with the same thing. How. United Survive. And how? Can I drive? Here I am in the reality, is this. I'm an eighty two year old. Black male of former basketball coach. And so the challenge for me is. How can I remain relevant? Changing world. And what is it that I don't know? But I need to know. Stay relevant. is different times and different faces in different places, but. The. Fundamental has change. How do I survive? and. Thrive, and and you are A. Voracious reader I mean your your nickname. Which people might remember from the first conversation is the the human google you you have read. Thousands upon thousands of books, and just to just to clarify you mentioned the name Robert Greenleaf is that the books are just pulled it up here. Servant Leadership Subtitle A Journey Nature. And the House, a journey into the nature of legitimate power and greatness which. Has. Has Been a classic. It looks like for twenty five years at this point Are there any other books that have helped you in developing your own ability to self lead or to improve self? To any other. Resources or practices come to mind that you found particularly helpful. One of the books that I found helpful, and and when I say helpful is I. Read something in a book that causes me to change my behavior then I feel I really found something unique and special. I. Read a book many years ago by mark McCormick caught things. They don't teach at Harvard Business School. And? It's always been one of my my favorite The true believer by Eric Hoffer was another book. There's tons of books I could name I. Tell You this. Book on Reading Right now I would. As all of our listeners to divide this book. and it's called. Show me who you are. It should be mandatory reading for anyone who wants to understand why we are in the situation. We are today not from the pandemic. And all of the other areas of inequity in our social system. I don't want to come. Too much about the book written by two women. Physician. Extraordinary Book and and I thought I knew a lot about racial injustice I thought I understood a lot of things. About the least of God's choking. But when I read this book. It's very hard for me to read more three pages and I. Don't start to cheer up. But if you buy this book? Fight with the intent to learn and understand. Otherwise if you're just buying it for entertainment, don't buy it. It's a book that's going to cause you to have difficult conversations with yourself as a book. That's going to reveal what I call the other America. There's a actually was a book written that which was the the emphasis for the war on poverty was a book written called the other America by Michael, Harrington and So I borrowed that phrase the other America. There's ING America out there that we don't know. But we need to know about. I. Don't go to let young ladies. Who wrote the book I I I'm not trying to promote. or sell books. I'm just trying to tell you if you really really want to understand. And you want to learn. You gotTA. Read this book. and. You don't have to read it all at once. Cuts. It's GonNa, be hard to do because. The because you cry. You're. GonNa feel guilty. You'RE GONNA. You'RE GONNA. Say Wow, how one person shreen another person like this! The tell me who you are is spy WINONA. Chico and Preah Volta I'll certainly linked to that. In the show notes for this this conversation as well so people will be able to find that at tim dot blogs slash podcast and just search your name. The question I'd love to explore. Georgia's what you would say to people right now. Who are really angry? Because as you said you some of these first person accounts, certainly, many people have had personal experiences. That are just reflective of such gross injustice. Such mistreatment and you have a lot of people right now. Who are angry of of all different colors and creeds? Would you say to people who are feeling consume by anger at the moment I would want to. Ask questions and I WOULD WANNA listen. I would want to understand in greater depth. Why they're angry, because I don't want to assume the obvious, the obvious, never the obvious. The problem is that we think is never never thought once you attack the problem what you've got was. The real problem was never the real problem once you get going, discover the real problem so I. WanNa. Listen and I want to understand and not assume that I know why. This person is angry and. I think. In many ways. All of us date to be angry and we need to be befuddling that. because. I truly believe that. We live in the country. And we we live a lot. And what I mean by that is. Is You pick up our paper currency. It says United States of among. If you go back to the framer. The framers say we the people. But in many ways we're living a lie. Because we're not. Who We say we are. We're not united. And it's not about the people and. These lies Kim that. They're just going to hold, US hostage. But the truth. Will free us and to me. The system is built. To separate us. Not just by raise, the system is built. To marginalize us. We talk about red states and blue states and foreign Belton, rust, belt, and Democrats and Republicans, and Conservatives and tea parties, rich people and We're all. These boxes that someone wants to put us in an all these labels. America needs to world labels. Everything's gotta gotTa have a label on it. And so my fundamental question is this. Why Does there have to be vox. Boxes have, four wall. And at some point they solo with four walls limits my movement. So why? Do I have to operate from a box. The first thing intelligence tells me if I'm in a box, it impedes my ability to reach for my out or sissy human being. So if we allow people to keep us in boxes, how will one ever reached their outer limits? How will? Ever! Be Able to answer the question who am I? I don't get a chance to explore my out of limits. How do I know who I am? And why I'm honored. And what is it that I'm capable of being so in many ways? In this country. Where living a lie. We've gotta get back to a point where we are who we say, we are where either united or not united. It's either about we. The people are not about weed the people. Has in common language of America. became. Not an English but money. Art Language. Should not be the line with a money. And I just get. I! Say to myself that I. Do really believe this at eighty two years old. I'm finally got my. To do I want to give them when I wanted to do it and how I wanted to do it? I'm freed it. To try to. Discover my outer limits I'm to be. Cool. God meant for me. I honestly and truly believe. that. The last couple years in my life. I can honestly. Kind of CEO. What Martin Luther King. Said when he spoke at the steps of the. Lincoln Memorial. Free at last. Re as Thank God money I'm create lights. There's the first time. That in my existence on this planet that I could authentically believe. that. I'm afraid human being that I can pursue. My outer limits. What changed why? What was the catalyst or the realization realization was? That the system is bill to. Create average people. You go to school. You get an average education. You get an average You live in an average neighborhood. You live at average amount of time. and. And the world. Is populated. Way Average peak. and. I'm so glad that I live long enough. That I could feel. The necessity to be on calm. In some ways, maybe board. As one God the least of his children. But. I've been truly blessed beyond this planet. For eighteen years. and. I'll be able to die. Knowing? that. I didn't die. In the societal box. That was a free enough. Try to reach for my my outer limits, and to explore that phrase a bit exploring your outer limits. I it seems to imply to me both in awareness of the box that you've been put in or put yourself in a willingness to try to transcend that. What does that Look Lake? Does it look like broad reading? Does it look like uncommon action for you? Personally what has? Your outer limits looked like it's all. Built around. A fundamental question that I have to ask myself time and time again. What is it? That I don't know. But I need to know. What is it that I don't know? But need to know. When I was a student at zone over and and was on basketball. Scholarship are are closer to towards one time in. And they'd be left an indelible mark on my brain with this quote. First sign of intelligence is to admit that we don't know something. So I'm trying to find out. What it is that I don't know. But I need to know. Sorted I can have relevance on remaining time I'm here. On, the Globe and That's simple process. You've gotta take the fences down around you because as long as people can fences around you thinking. Keep you where they want and they want you to be average. And I don't WanNa. Be I. WANNA be uncommon. Is Part of. A leading question, but I'm curious. Is Part of. Keeping those fences down, not applying to many labels to yourself. I just think I'm thinking back to the list that you gave earlier liberal progressive this that a versus B. C. Versus de because I've never I don't think I've ever heard you use. Any of those labels applied to yourself. At least in our in our conversation that we've had. I don't know if that's just because of the nature of the conversations that we've had But. Are there other ways that you? Keep the, fences down. Yeah, because the first thing is to recognize, that is offense. people in Sam when when someone is quick to put a label on you and encourage you to live in this box. The first thing he's got a real start to do is start asking. You have a conversation with yourself and start asking. Questions. And so. To me. I'm aware of these fences and and I I. To allow US someone to build a fence around the. because. Intentionally or unintentionally I'm about to come to a standstill, because the more people that are in that box them the the less my mobility is. And I think. We also. What the thing that I've been telling myself about. What is it that I don't know? But I need to know how. I've come to recognize that. I need to. Develop, twenty first century skills. Strange, when you get to be eighty two and you start thinking about this, but once again when I asked that question. How can I stay relevant if I'm going to be relevant? I've got to be able to develop twenty first century skills and. Unanticipated you saying well coach! What our twenty first century skills are I think you have to develop the skills. That are transferable. and sustainable in the twenty first century there's there's so obviously leadership and communication, and just all communication, but written communication relationships. As long as we live, there's going to have to be leaner shifts. We're going to have to communicate. We're going to have to have relationships problem solving decision making information literacy critical big tests. Are we go on? The teamwork analytical thinking. What I try to do is take one of those. And for six months read as much as I can about what? Soda can better understand. How I can quit myself because I've. To take the vincents down, I gotTa have I. I gotTa Call Down or or our. And I. Looked down. I got to get rid of forever and so. One side, take those fences down I can't. Pop the Cork and they want. All of this is free of my ability of of movement. And so now I got an I've got a a quick myself with these twenty first century skills particularly. At eighty two years old. because. The last thing. I want to be as a relic. And and protect myself from becoming a relic. I, got I got to be able to compete. And ended twenty-first-century I gotta be able to compete with young people, not all. I need I need to compete with young people. I. Mean Understand Young People these young people. Are Huge. And I feel bad for our young people because. They're the ones that again inherited dismiss. And they're the ones that are going to have to. Fix It. And I I feel so bad for our our our grandchildren and children, and and generally these young people. were, leaving a mess on. And they and they're gonNA. They're gonNA. Have to excel these skills. because. They're the ones who are GONNA. Have to figure out. What to do this mess that we must on doors to. What one of the one of the things I enjoy about? Our interactions. Georgia's that you're you're a man of ideas and concepts, but you're also of action. You do a lot and it's. It's informed action. There are millions of people right now. I'm sure probably tens hundreds of millions who are unsure of what to do, and perhaps also afraid of doing the wrong thing and. I'd be curious to know. If you have any advice for people who are. Feeling a need to do something, but don't know what to do. Of course we see. We've seen a lot of statements that have been issued. If you have any thoughts on statements what form, they should take if any just love to hear your thoughts for those who feel like they should or need to do something, but are unsure of what to look two days one. What can one do just be simple? Just let it start with yourself. Start with you and and do your part. I want I'm going to. Come back to this public statement thing, but what what? I would like the as. And you this is is a partial energy. To what can we do? I would. Like the as each of those who are listening to. This Interview. Take a pledge. I would like you to write this down and take display if you WanNa know what you can do. Is this. And the pledges I encourage. I'm going to encourage each of our listeners to do this and the pledges I will fully commit. To being a positive change at. A positive difference maker. And in many lives as possible. Doesn't take money and it doesn't matter what race you are. Is just a simple pledge is got to start. Correcting the wrongs have to start with our behavior. And as say that again I got if you ever wanted to do something. For me, just take this pledge and live I will fully commit. To being a positive change agent. A positive difference maker, and then and as many lives as possible. He don't have to be rich you. It doesn't make any difference if your core doesn't make any difference if you're black or white. You can control. Nobody can take this away from this Nobody can take this commitment away from you to be a positive change agent to be a positive difference maker to be kind of people. It might not change the world. But if you say one might. That one life will have a rippling effect, and it'll save another license another life another life, and before you know, it will wake up one morning. And, we will have made significant change into into world. In this place. We call America. That's what I would not do as you say. What Can Persian Jew? That's my answer to that that the public statement thing honestly I'd kind of grown, were of corporate and organizational speed got enough. In my attended most of its insincere anyway and blacks and substance coming. These statements are really solution based. In a so called statements to me in many ways are very evidence of our. Inability to tell the truth What what do you? What do you mean by, is it? There's a there's a difference tim between his statement and the message see that's the thing everybody runs around. I can't believe how many corporate is executives organizational people feel like they have to make a statement I've had friends called and say hey. I gotTa make a statement. What should I say? And and the ones who ask you that I said the first thing is, don't make a statement. Give Up. Make a message. Message is color story that that data resignation with the listeners. Messages are a commitment. You know. all. When it's all said and done. Our words must be manifested with in our behave. Anything shorter that. And we live in a lot. And I just think. At some point. We can make all statements we want. But the reality is that we have to rise to a higher moral level. As corporations. Today. I don't know. Me Personally I I appreciate. Their their their paper occurs. But what I really think that society trimark Mark Corporations. is their intellectual. Currency I think history is. Replete with evidence that throwing money at the problem Israeli. GonNa, be. Dissolution one of the questions I have with with his money. Part is comma. Summit will be specifically used. To enrich the lives of our young people and their futures because we're leaving leaving them From a magic, the clean up. I think that. What I would like to to do is to tap into the intellectual. Currency. Of of Corporate Americans and and they they've got some of the most elite thinkers on the planet. incorporations and so. A group of corporations come together in a collaborative manner. and. Create. Programs. To help enrich the lives of our young people and help prepare our young people to successfully deal with this mess that we're lean. Can corporations create. Mentor program, so somebody's are raised their hand. Say We have one. Can they create intern programs. Can they utilize their intellectual currency to help young people develop these twenty first century skills Can they provide? Technology. And the technology tools. Such as laptops and computers for young people. Can we teach young people how to they? God knows if there's ever something that we could do. That would help young people is to teach him how to think stop teaching them. What thing teach him? How thing? We've got some of the greatest minds on the planet house in these corporations. and. I just think that they have. A moral obligation. To target the lease God's children. I think are young children out there. There are pregnant with possibilities for greatness. But we gotTA help discovery. Came in my in my lifetime in this is not an indictment on my parents. There was never a time in my life when my mom, my dad, my grandma and said to me shortage when you grow up. You're going to go to college. La Never finished school how they gonNa things that your son I mean their their child legitimate of going to college it was it they black. People couldn't dream like that in those days. But we, we H-. There's so many undiscovered. Young folks out there. They need somebody to say a simple phrase. I. Believe in you. You. Know, how many kids have never had, a human beings say to them. I believe in you. Corporate America can put together all these things. and. They don't just have to say. I believe in you, but they can put the programs together that allow that person to believe in themselves. I will. Never fully buy into throwing money at it. It's the answer. He just made me think George that if I. IF I try to canvass. Everyone I've interviewed on this podcast. Close to five hundred people now I would say the. One of the commonalities would have to be that at some point. Someone said I believe in you. Maybe it wasn't in childhood, but at some point some mentor some. father, figure, mother, figure or supporter said. I believe in you. Of raises a lot of a lot of questions and also brings to mind a lot of possible actions. for as you. and to it's not sufficient say. I believe that you. Don't don't let your your your and then you'd behavior. To to reflect what you just said I believe that there's definitely than mentioned of goodness in an intellect and all of us, but. I. Don To Villanova. I wasn't in charge. Nominate I found myself intellectually. How do they know who I was I didn't really understand how important it was to be. Go nowhere to be a student and learn I remember it so vividly. By Sophomore Year I? Because when I went to Donald, you had to wear shirt and tie that class and you and you had to sit by Alphabet, Saudi. Temporal Road and Graduated with a BS economics, but It wasn't until my sophomore year I started to find myself intellectually I. Hear You, you say. That guy's really smart man. He. He should get him to help you and. And there would be. A number people in my is that people would get. DINOVITE is being really smart, and so I would listen to them, and I would have served them and honestly. Tim and myself talk. There were a number of times when I said. So I think I'm as smart as him. And now is the beginning. of May trying to discover myself intellect showing. I didn't have a frame of reference. No one ever told me that I was smart. No one ever told me that I. only way I ended up in college was because the fastball on the scholarship? I didn't really understand it all. I if there if I had to do it all over, I honestly believe I could have been honest. I didn't understand it. I didn't know that I could get. Education could take me to place it and helped me. Learn how to be a better human being. He took a long time I. I, kind kinda been running from behind. Most of my life of Guy told me one time for man gets behind in a race. He must forever remain behind her run fasted in the man in front, and then I've been on the run for about the last forty years. It's an incredible life story. I mean I know how you have managed. To to Cram so much into your lifetime, which granted is eighty two years thus far, but it's still a blink blink of the eye in some respects it's. It's really just incredible and Info for those people who are. Listening who are say parents of kids in difficult circumstances. Maybe, they themselves don't have many resources aside from the I, believe in you and behavior to support that besides the the pledge. which you mentioned earlier about being a positive change agent and positive difference maker. would you have any advice for those for those parents for people who are trying to raise their kids and enable them in the greatest way possible so? They it's it's so difficult to be a talented today. Because at one time I used to think it was just black problem. But today I think it's a societal problem. We live in society of day. Where most? Of the young people. Are raised in a single parent House Fausto. My nine years at USC. I only coach two black players. Who came from a dual parent house saw. So? Diverse issue. Is. The, parent? And when we say is usually going to. The mother, because like judicial system, the court use the. Award child to the mother. And so does with mothers are true so-called American heroes. They were two and three jobs. Most parents will do things for their children. They would never do for themselves, and so it's essentially enormous challenge now. Can raise the child. And they that you just have to try as hard as you can should provide. the best for your children, and and teach them a sustainable value system of right and wrong. perseverance. I don't know I mean I. Don't know if I'm equipped to say because I trying to raise myself. What are your your hopes? For what could come of this turbulent time? These turbulent times I should say certainly that are really. Sort of exhibiting and showing US ruptures that have existed for a long time. What what are some of your hopes for what can come out of this? And what are some of your fears of what might come out of this if you have any? My Hope. Is that. We will be who we say we are. All of us that. We are the United States of America, then we. Can Start? To limit. And and not continue to live alive. That is my hope. as we, we proceed that. As I said earlier in the conversation. We're the problem and where to she and. We are the problem and we are the solution. WE'LL! George I wanna be respectful of your time. We've covered a lot I'm not in any rush. I can continue to go as long as you would like to go, but is. Is there anything else you would like to to say or Share at this point we. Touched a lot of the sensitive nerves and that when we conclude I would just like to include the the same way we started, but it maybe you. There's some things that that you. marriage some discussion. I'm open to it. I think we've covered a lot of ground I. Think we've both and by we I. Mean You you have offered. Some some direction, a lot of recommendation. You've offered resources like. Tell me who you are of. Course will link to all of these things. You mentioned Robert Greenleaf and leadership. As far as resources go many different. Takeaways that people can I think apply or at the very least think about? But as you mentioned if we put words into our heads or out into the world, what matters is the behavior that follows those and the practice like you have on your. On your. Bathroom Mirror of self, leadership and self discipline since you need to lead yourself. Before you can hope to lead. Any type of group and I I. Think we're at a good place where we could, we could end the way we started for now. Show. I would just like to the. Should conclude with. The way I started with the per and my prayer is their God. Please, help us united as a nation. Please I'll. BE Who We say we are. A United States of America Amen. Thank you so much for taking the time to to share your the breadth and richness of your life experience, also the insights that you've come to after eighty two years on this planet I really appreciate you taking the time George. I appreciate. The opportunity and more importantly I. I appreciate this Lynch. Thank you so much and you are such a positive. Change Agent and I think as as you said if you save one life that has ripple effects. I. Think your positive impact. On so many people. Has a a real. Incredible ripple effect so I would just say. Please keep doing what you're doing I I really appreciate you. Thank you and to everybody listening? We will have links to everything that we discussed in the show notes, and you can find that as always. Tim Log, Ford Slash podcast and simply search for Georgia's name, and in fact, what we'll do is create a short link, which will just be Tim d- Log forward slash George in that will take us all to the resources specifically for this episode and until next time. Thank you for tuning in behind. Be Safe and always strive to be the person you say you are. Thank you. This is tim again. Just a few more things before you take off number one this fiber at Friday. Do you want to get a short email from me? Would you enjoy getting a short email from me? 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