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Crunchyroll Remarries Quickly & Lifting the Sonic Embargo

Anime Podcast of Some Sort

45:19 min | 1 year ago

Crunchyroll Remarries Quickly & Lifting the Sonic Embargo

"The. What is up everybody? Welcome to the anime podcast of some sort. It's exactly what it says. Don't over think it I'm David majors also known as DJ AM Mico host who spends way more in more time on Instagram. He handles the Instagram. I handle the Twitter. It's Jackie Allaster. What's up, Jack? Oh, man. I have just been drawn up a storm aided, and it is a little bit of a national holiday. I might say at the time of this recording. That's right, folks. In cartoon news today. It's your boy Donald duck's birthday. So isn't that marvelous? We have blessed. We have a blessed spirit of a mentally aggressive cartoon duck watching over us as awesome respect his Japan. Emissions. Veteran. It's true. It's true. He served in the navy. Troops. I love the guy. I love the guy Donald. You know, it's been a while. Let's talk anyway. Well, let's talk about the Disney. Let's talk about the Japan. Emissions, and what better way to transition from a Disney character to talk about a first story on the podcast involving Warner Brothers and Warner media, and this is actually some some some big big news, Jack this is actually something that I saw a couple of days ago. That Warner media the company that controls Cartoon Network, adult swim, and boomerang will be reorganizing under all of those networks under one global kids and young adult unit. So they're putting all of these under one conglomerate as it were. So they'll be working together, I suppose and to continue this story later on we got some new. News a couple of days later that crunchy roll had announced that they will be officially partnering up with adult swim and to NAMI. And all of these networks are starting to converse again, as we as we know earlier with the great split of twenty eighteen with a mation AT and T and crunchy roll and their parent company. There was a split, but now kind of like the mob L AT and T telephone monopoly of the eighties. These companies are all reorganizing and repairing again, Jack. So I see a lot of consternation over this. And I'm someone that believes and trust to keep abreast of technology. News and business news to a certain degree. And I'm of the opinion that this is all pretty good. Because honestly, crunchy role is going to have a partnership with dull swim into NAMI. That means more crunchy roll anime is going to be in front of more. Is. And that everybody is a good thing. What do you think Jack has very good thing? No, I think that that part of it is very much a positive thing. You know, just getting getting stuff out there for, you know, for lack of a better term for for the normies to see, you know, we want everyone to get a chance to accept a this previously, extremely obscure content. Well, it it depends. I'm seeing a very very bliss here on you know, the enemy they've licensed. But I think the thing that scares people is just, you know, the general idea of, you know, conglomerate acquisition and also I mean Time Warner Cable company is. I mean, I can't speak for them. But I mean, that's probably the reason why I can speak against them is it's not great. But I mean, I guess I guess I'm opposed out there the opposing opinion on this one because almost all of Time Warner's properties, I'm usually very into or a very big fan of. So having a giant like this behind something like crunchy role to me? It's a good thing. It makes me feel like they understand Time Warner understands that anime has an audience that is to be respected. And to me. That's a good thing. I genuinely believe because a what? Just one more point because you remember Jack for a while adult swim, and seemingly Time Warner's animation side of things they were really shying away from anime for a while until as we all know, the giant bring back to NAMI campaign happened and on top of that v the appreciation of anime in the west has done nothing, but grow, and I think Warner Time Warner recognizes that and they're willing to give it some backing. And I think that's a good thing. I think that the only thing I've seen is maybe some people are a little afraid of their little enemy bubble having a few more people aiming getting a little bigger but other than that. I'm I'm struggling to find a bad side of this. No, no, the honestly that was me just like trying to think of. Something like, I definitely agree with you that, you know, all these properties. These are. There's a lot of them that I adore in love. And of course to NAMI is just a fantastic block. I'm so happy. It's bag. There's good things all around. I'm simply talking about, you know, away from the IP's for a moment. I'm talking about just the cable provider. Time Warner that might be what's freaking out a little bit. Because that's the big problem. You know, I mean. In this screaming world, you know, everyone, you know, has their streaming services. You know, I've got that flakes and Hulu for one like and were looking at Disney. Plus right now like, David or really lucky. It's not a Disney podcast, which I would probably shoot myself if it were despite my love of some of the properties, God damnit Disney. Plus anyway point being we're in a point now where cable is pretty much on life support. But you know, it's still nice to have cable. I just worry just very vaguely about Time Warner for that. But I don't feel like, you know, there's going to be any big drastic thing. I'm really just again. That's the only thing if I had a rack my brain why people are so apprehensive because it's like now it's haven't had anything happen yet, man. Just wait. You don't have to be scared all the time. And I feel like, you know, the the the statements philosophies that are all being presented here about this acquisition are all really good. Like, I really like hold on gonna pull it up real quick preparation. Be prepared. I really appreciate what Kevin Suji Horace said about just. Just going to quote this here. Other media speaks loudly ineffectively to the millennial jen's e audience and brings together highly passionate communities through content, bringing are conic brands infrastructure and library to with autres, creative talent. Reach in diverse. Communities will help us grow this important audience segment for Warner Brothers and Warner media content and services, so these guys know that these creators, you know, rooster teeth, crunchy roll all this at the like it matters. And hearing, you know, a chairman of all things say that, you know, just it's a little thing. But acknowledging the little guy, I appreciate that. I really much appreciate that. Is specially going so far as to say, it's a calling it passion driven digital media. That's really just making it to me feel like this is very new frontier for the entertainment industry. But I mean, I'm I'm glad we says he hasn't driven media. Because it sounds like a big company recognizes that while something may not generate a billion dollars. It sounds like they understand that it still has merit. And that is a great thing. Yes. Two thousand nineteen. Absolutely. You know, he gets a lot of flack for many things as he rightly should. But I keeps coming back to Disney. I'm sorry, David. But Michael Eisner, you know, very famously put we're not in the interest of explicitly making a statement to make art to make any kind of message. But in order to make great films. We will sometimes make a statement or make a great art. And I think that is very important thing to acknowledge that, you know, just make the damn thing. I don't and this news union and being a facilitator for great art is a great thing. Now, Jack what I'm hoping is that our next story does facilitate something great because it is something very near and dear to my heart. We discuss on a previous episode of the podcast that there will be. Be a mobile suit them live action movie in the not too distant future. And. Yeah. Yeah. I suppose so but the gentleman that has been tapped to write and beady executive producer for this movie is Mr Brian k Vaughan now if some of you out are out, there are not entirely familiar with that name. I looked up and in the story that we had in the show notes, it he had been involved with X Makia awesome. Why the last man pretty, okay and runaways your mileage may vary. So that's these are properties that are well known well done and have pretty decent following see. He's this guy has some writing chops and producing chops. Also, the overseer of this project that will be working directly. What sunrise will be kale. Boy her who is producing detective Pika chew. Okay. That's garnering some buzz which. And he was a producer on a little movie near and dear to my heart called Pacific rim uprising. So this man clearly has respect for the giant robot? Jack in the wake of battle angel alita turning out as well as it did. Am I wrong to see this story and be a little bit more hopeful? Like, I know we're still in the age of pooh-poohing most anime live action adaptations, but seeing the credentials of the people behind this and reading in the story that they will be working directly with sunrise, regarding mobile suit Gundem is it wrong of me to say, okay. I'm willing to keep an open mind. I've I've fallen for this before keeping an open mind. So am I crazy Jack am I crazy? I don't think you're crazy. I think this is a little less disingenuous marketing than say, I don't know making your trailer. Look really really good for a mediocre movie. That's how they get you. But good good people on on good projects potentially good projects with, you know, a Nykanen IP like this and yes with, you know, producer of Pacific rim uprising. Hey, I feel good about this. Also, I really liked the last man. So I have a good feeling about this. I read this initially the headline really quickly on the notes here. And I have to point it out because I think it's really funny that my brain thought this. But I almost accidentally read it as Matthew von, and I was really excited to see what the director of Kingsman. The secret service was going to do mobile suit gun. Oh, really would have been something. I I would I'd want that immediately. I can I just say like, I I feel like maybe a really punchy director. Why would be really great? This. But we have writing credits that sounds really good. And you know. It doesn't matter if it's a different bond that I initially thought I feel good about this Dave, and I feel like you should too. Also, just as a side note, the trailer for detective peak and shoe is they're looking really good. Can I just say, I know played a genuine Pokemon game in my life. This looks like absolute fun. I don't care if I'm an idiot or child, I don't like this is a great. This is a great gateway into Pok Amman. I've dabbled as I've said in the past and most recently, I've been a little bit more intrigued by the pokey man's again. And I think this will be a good gateway for people that may not be too familiar or a great little piece of nostalgia for everyone that oh, maybe stopped after gen one. I'm looking forward to that. And yet, I think I'm looking forward to this gun to movie, I think, I think. Movies. They're getting better there. Did you see Leo Jack? Did you see a leader? I act I unfortunately, did not I meant to before this podcast. But I am very excited to see it. I I can't bear. It is good is good. And I'm seeing sort of an upward trajectory every few years dragon ball. Evolution was bad. Ghost in the shell. Not terrible alita who was pretty damn good. Maybe there's room for hope with Gundem. Maybe there's room for hope. Yes. And they're certainly seems to be hoped with detective Pika chew. So we're back with the we're back to. Ways, Jack, we are back to our positive ways on the enemy podcast sort. Really? I know jarring place hasn't it? And I'm are you checking out anything from this upcoming season yet, Jack? I ha I haven't but I'm going to pull it up right now. And see what we got. That's right, though. I know I'm probably going to get dragged into the watching the fruits basket remake with my friends. Although let me just go ahead and take you on a little bit of a story. David. You know that anime in manga were pretty tough to come by. You know, for I say, maybe like up until recently, maybe this last decade, it's been much better. But you know, it still had some kinks to work through with DVD's and such. But there I am in the high school library checking out my requisite six books. Like do. I read a lot. Okay. Oh was a door and and an actual segment of a shelf not a whole shelf because they certainly didn't have enough. But there was a tiny little shelf that had maybe two or three random volumes of death note. Perfect for high schoolers and the entirety of fruits basket there were few others. But I can't really think of them off the top of my head now. But David when that's what you have to go on. That's what you pick up, and it's cute. It's fun. And I really feel like the end an amazing that. That originally adapted the work is it doesn't look great. It's very much that kind of we we really dried we really try to get the start style down. So you know with modern animation. I'm feeling very good about this images. Look great of why don't you tell me about some of the animates that you're thinking of checking out this season? And I will continue to look down this list. See if anything else pops out to me, Jack. Here's what I was thinking. Actually, why don't we save the big a poss- spring twenty nineteen spectacular for the next episode since we already know the next episode will be pretty special. Let's save it for the next episode. Oh, podcast tease. Everybody pot cheese. How about that? It'll give me more time to look at some stuff. See what catches my eyes so podcast t's? I like it on the next up sewed of the enemy podcasts of some sort. And yes, it will be big. It will be big. We'll do our springs. We will do our spring anime thingy Jackie. You're actually watching something on an on Netflix. These days. I'm usually the one preaching the good word of net. Flicks. What if you got? Well, I mean, I've gotten just a lot of extra time to draw as recently lot of great commission work and saw leaving some anime on the background, the usual suspects been re watching listening to castle Vanya cocky, Rui catching up on the strange life of psyche K, but the breakout series this this time has got to be David. It's got to be backstreet girls. Do you know anything about the anime, David? Is this like a gender? Swap of like, a brand new male idol group that I missed. I believe you are correct in that. I was really hoping you were going to say is this the answer to backstreet boys, which you know, I wish I really wish that anime was out there trying to recreate the nineties through idol groups, but. Follows is. I'm I'm sorry. This follows three Yuccas the tops who screw up so badly with their boss that he decides. It's this. Yes, they they start a band or. They are forced to start an idol group again with the satirical. Idle anime David, I don't know they're trying to get me. But I'm not gonna watch love live. I'm not like I actually mean that this isn't going to Gilligan cut to two months later where I'm telling you, I really like Niko or whatever didn't we already bets. Didn't we already do the no love lifing thousand years ago? It's true. It's true. But backstreet girls, you know, it's it feels like it's more about the the bit it because these girls that have, you know, come back from this sex change operation, and, you know, rigorous psychological training to forcibly become the moneymaking idol group that the boss wants them to be there. They're not great at it. They're always sitting around with their legs apart. And by the way, David they don't call attention to their panties. It's always shot from an aerial angle. Wow. I'd mind actually blown. No, they they really there's some titillating things. Like, I mean, you know, they're definitely not averse to their new hot bodies for one thing. But I mean across the board it's mostly about how they're taking their innate Yuccas in nature towards violence and crime and general had assery and just trying to make it work on a level to be charming. And sweet. And I you know, it's tough to talk about the comedy. I'd say it every time. But you know, I think a pretty good litmus test of how much this might be enjoyable to. You is I wanna see it's episode three. They have an interview alongside of very popular idol group. They're trying to, you know, rub elbows get in there. And so the regular idol group is saying things like, you know, I really like Nado. And you know, I don't know the standards of Japanese food. But apparently that may. The main lead singer of the popular idol group feel like an old man. Apparently, that's something that falls too old men taste. So the guy makes a comment about that. And they go. Oh, wait, we could just be ourselves. So then the Indy group comes up with the toughs, and they all go, man. I get hairs around my nipples and my pews. It's the weirdest thing guys on the radio. So I mean as one if you're looking for that kind of shock humor. Yeah. I mean, hashtag relatable. But. It's a lot of fun. It's glorious. And I mean, if you need if it were feeling bad because you think that the premise feels a little I don't know wrong. Like, I mean, look, I'm not give you your pass. It's fine. I don't care. I'm not offended. I'm laughing. It's great. No, no problems here. Backstreet girls. Definitely riot just net. Flicks man, sitting all these excellent series, Owen, double men, rewatching devil man and trying really hard to not just stare at the visuals and forget what people are saying. I go round. What are they saying? What are people saying no what the characters are saying? I mean, like, I'm so. This is great this. Look, so good. A wait. They said something back ten back tens there. There are things happening. Yes. Just like just like what star treks to Jack just like with Star Trek discovery. Yes. It does. Look, really cool. But things are happening. Do have to open your ears a little bit. It's true. But I'm loving it. I am loving it from start to finish again. And I'm really excited for Cauca gracie's into because apparently there's a character whose voice by Romi park. Of course, most known for voices Edward elrich in full mellow commenced. In the Japanese sub. I'm ready, David. I'm ready for this terrible excuse for gambling to show up and make me feel psychological terror. Outstanding. I feel like we've been saying that here on this podcast for for a while. Now that Netflix is picking up some really enjoyable anime. If you're looking for things that aren't necessarily within the normal anime conversation. So yeah, get your Netflix on everybody. You don't even have to chill if you don't want to you can watch some anime. And I mean real quick there's there's just a lot of animation in general, not just the anime. Of course, the anime podcast of some sort would advise towards the anime. But I mean, there's some great and other stuff on there too. Like Hilda was really impressive. I also just finished that alongside my my anime binge-watch. So this is a really great time for animation very excited for that. Passion driven digital media. That is backed by giant companies with lots of money. Indeed, not a good thing, Jack, sometimes when large companies back animation projects sometimes day, they go wrong still they they still go wrong and true I've decided than I am officially lifting the embargo as of now. It's no secret everybody. Boy, David nature thing is a big fan of sonic, the hedgehog. And since the announcement and certain visual cues for the live action, sonic, the hedgehog movie. I've taken a bit of a personal embargo on all things sonic, it just it's just been. We've locked it up. Like the Disney vault. We've we've locked it away. We've just gone radio silent. The only thing that I've done is. When I went to go see a leader. There was a poster for the movie in the theater near my home. I took a picture where everyone could see that. I was very very very crestfallen at visible that I was seeing. Say sorry, David. I'm so sorry. This looks on the holy. That's the only that I can use ever gave me. It's drew it actually generated a flight or fight response. In me when I saw it the first time I nearly fought. That's what I nearly. I nearly chose to fight and just throw the movie poster on the ground. And you know, what it's rent time because David I have to talk to the sun fandom for a second. Listen here, sonic phantom. You did this to yourselves this grotesque? Thing that is supposed to be sonic, the hedgehog. It is the byproduct of your nonstop memes. It is the byproduct of your fan art your fan fiction. It is the byproduct of all of your original character. Do not steal memes. It is the byproduct of a warped and twisted fandom that hasn't had had enough. Good video games and comic books and animated series. So it had to warp and twist and make its own weird content. That has spawned this. Now, far be it from me to knock people for their creative expression but sought a fan w did this to yourselves. You did this to yourself. This is our fault. If we just kept things a little less weird. Yes, they are anthropomorphic characters. But for God's sakes. Did you really have to go all that way? You sick sick weirdos? This is our fault. This this live action movie. And I'm trying my best not to peak on the Mike. But my God man, this movie is our fault. It looks terrible. It looks grotesque in all of the ship posting and complaining that everyone does about how bad sonic is for so long. This our fault we've done this. And and now we have to live with this sonic was on a good upswing for a few years. And now this like everyone kind of white sonic, boom off the map because the cartoon was really good. But. Now, this the games in recent years aside from sonic, boom. We're all pretty well praised sonic forces. Somewhere in the middle. Mileage may vary. But now, we have this this this thing that is supposed to be sonic, the hedgehog that people saw the legs and nearly peed themselves in terror. And then saw the rest of it and was were horrified and the original creators of sonic at sonic team, Japan saw this like hell, no in Japanese. But you get my point not them. Them. We are responsible for this. This is our own undoing and God damn it. We deserve every bit of. You didn't ask for this? David. And I certainly didn't consent to seeing these posters everywhere. No, no. I didn't consent to no one did who would consent to this. This is what how this looks. This is what happens when Meam culture becomes just culture when there's nothing left, but the memes and the shit. Posting is is what comes out, and you know, one to blame but yourselves. I think David what you're what you're getting at here is to say. Have consequences. And so does your shit posting I feel like I've been saying that for about two three years now your shit. Posting has consequences like the sonic the hedgehog live action movie that no one will be able to escape from. Now, david. I'd like to pull you a little bit back from the void of despair for a moment, and and walk you and a couple of, you know, our listeners, let's just walk through what what went wrong, and I think the main thing is. You. This far along in the game. You can't go. This is an initial just sign. You can't you can't that's the equivalent of the fourteen year old on db, art. Who goes it's my style. No, no. This is this is not your style. This is the homogenized throwing Alvin and chipmunks the Smurfs all of those godforsaken live action CGI hybrids with a cute adorable. I say that, but I can't I can't finish it with the presumably cute and adorable mascot from previously beloved IP. That didn't ask to be destroyed like this. That's the style. That's not any individual. This is an algorithm make enough fucking movie, David, and it really sucks because if there's one thing that I've learned from my love of the sonic. Oh from a few years ago. I really enjoyed watching that really. Open my eyes to the the aesthetic that really really captures my imagination from the sonic franchise. And then playing some classic games. You know, sauna to has been great tales miles per hour is my son. I know that everybody throws that around on the internet a lot. But he's act chilly. My son. Like if anyone genuinely hates him in the year of our base, God twenty nineteen you're going to have to listen to me because he's a good boy. And he does good things. Also, don't us. He is a genius. And a great pilot. He is objectively a better pilot than launchpad Macuac. But all that being said, David, here's what here's the sonic movie. I think that y'all deserved picture this. And I'm going along before real that. They absolutely have to make it in a live action setting. The can't just go full anime. So we're going along that template that Hollywood just loves during dry. So you have the live action area. And it looks like from that horrific poster with just a legs like the Golden Gate Bridge. So let's just say we're in San Francisco, and we're following a young. Maybe there couple, you know, I'd say just a guy and a gal there just like roommate? Hanging out all thing, and they are EKO friendly. They try really hard to be green. And then through some sort of haphazard, whatever a wizard. Did it the universe collided, whatever sonic shows up? And this is the important thing. David. I like sonic is very much like that kind of classic rubber hose cartoon character with that modern ninety cents ability and two so why isn't he just hand-drawn? Yes, it's expensive. But that work soon much better than what you've already got out there. So sonic shows up. He interacts it's a lot of great excellent production. You know, he's interacting with the live environment and the people like who framed Roger rabbit all over again. And then he reveals that Dr egg man or robotic I don't know followed him from Moebius, and he knows that this world is in danger of going to pot because of the environment. So you get a little bit of that green spin on it. And you get you know, all of that plastic lower from those games that people love, and you get to be able to follow the standard Hollywood formula. Will they do that? Now Shota they yes, they absolutely should have. And that. David is my gift to you and the sonic phantom. I'm sorry. I can't fully get the funding to give to you properly. But that's what you deserved that is the sonic fandom doesn't deserve gift. They really don't. I'm I'm so upset with this movie. Jack. I think that I'm pretty close to saying to sonic phantom. I think we need to see other people. I'm so close I'm so close to just saying sonic fandom. We're. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not going to do it. But but just no I'm I'm staying at a hotel for the weekend because I just I just need some time right now, sonic phantom. I need some time sleep on the couch. No, I'm getting a hotel room for the weekend because I just need some time. Okay. I need some time in I will call you when I call you. But in the meantime in between time, Jack while I'm getting my things what you to tell me that you've been enjoying some sonic stuff lately. I absolutely have David. I very much have and before I get into that. I have one more question to you about the fate of sonic phantom thing in general the franchise. I once heard someone say that they think that sonic at this point is on salvageable that there is no hope of ever being good again, and whether that's from fan outcry and the phantom self or just because of. The fluctuating quality do you believe that? I absolutely do not because sonic was re as sonic was good as recently as not even five years ago. Yeah. Mania on sonic was always at its best. There's contact for that when there's games and when there's cartoons. And when there's comics if you just stick to those you'll be okay, the sonic mania games were universally acclaimed sonic forces. Sonic, boom. The cartoon was well received the sonic mania adventures YouTube series was well received these were all fairly recent. The thing about the sonic phantom. Is that it's it is always up and down. There are always peaks and valleys and we had a peak. Now, it's looking like we're entering valley. Give him that sonic forces wasn't as well received as one might have hoped and giving what this upcoming movie looks like we're entering a valley. That's kind of what the sonic phantom has always been since the Dreamcast and since sonic excise oppose adventure L allow it's really it's really been meant to me like the three has been like the main divisive factor. But maybe that's just me looking at it from an outside. It absolutely is the three D because some people just never want to let go of the idea that sunny. The head shock is only supposed to be one thing. I'm not one of those fans tomato never worked in three D. But sonic has sonic has it sauna caz like come on, sonic, boom. I understand what you're saying here. But it's only tomato pasta MRs fault. It's not sawn expelled. No, sonic works. Three D. It does. And I just think that will be entering a valley, and we'll come out of it. Hopefully with less dumb memes. Hopefully, so yeah, David I've been playing some games, and I got to say right now, I am I have not really touched too, many of the three D properties played a little bit of generations that my friend Patrick's house, but so far it's been mania sonic, one on hiatus for however long sonic, to which I also recently put on hiatus because as much as I have been enjoying it a sonic CD really captured my attention when I realized this is the one that had the time travel mechanic and. Various your future past world's. I really wanted to see this action. And I'm only on the first level still because it is. I don't know. I feel like I've got location blindness or something. But it's a lot of fun. The music's been great just it's not a bad franchise. It's just got a lot of bad press for no reason. And it just makes me feel bad. I don't feel bad for the ridiculous corners of the fandom. But I know folks like you David p bull who are just enjoying it for what it is. And they don't deserve this. They absolutely don't I'd say sonic fans. Don't deserve this the sonic fandom as a whole. I'll leave it to you or Aleve to you day that you're the one who calls the shots on that. If they deserve it or not. But. I'm like in a lot, you know, Sonoko VA. Of course, I love the character designs and everything from that. And it worked so. Well, looks just like the game. It's charming. I love it. It's no surprise to anyone who knows I loved exit position. You know, I might love me some cute Disney style characters. But I also love me. Some some weird stuff that maybe doesn't really fit with that kind of happy motif. So I love the idea of this ferry nineties kind of a static universe. That's just fairy. Man. It's just so mechanical and futuristic and all over the place, and then you also have these great sprawling natural. And and I love it. And then these classic rubber hose looking characters. It's just all fun. It's really fun. I'm having a good time. David. I'm really glad in I cannot wait for you to get to sonic spindle. Well, maybe Sonics pinball can be very polarizing you either love it or hate it. There's no inbetween and sonic three. Of course. The the masterpiece I'm really excited for you get end knuckles. And I will I will wait excitedly for you to tackle those now Jack wrap up right in the pre show. You had a brilliant brilliant idea. And absolutely love it. And I think it will be great going forward with our next exciting adventure. So tell us about this little idea that you had Jackson. All right, folks. We're gonna have ourselves our very first anime podcast of some sort on test. It's gonna be real simple. And all you gotta do is at one of us on Twitter just make up a hypothetical anime any kind of characters. John Rao premise that. You can imagine get real creative. The only thing is that both David and I have to love it. So come up with an anime that both David and I will enjoy an Addis at call me DJ 'em or Jackie Tyler d on Twitter with your answer. And this is the best part. The winner gets a prize. And that prize David is going to be a hand-drawn poster interpretation of your winning anime premise as drawn by me. And I'll even mail it to you. If you want how cool is that a posse Jack will draw your enemy and send it to you in. All you have to do is come up with something that we both like. All you gotta do and yell. No. I'm not nearly as much of a jerk as I see Mon Twitter when it comes to stuff that I like them. I'm really not. I'm really not. And and Jack, Jack definitely not a church. We all know that. It's why keep him around it softens, my image, everybody and. Send us your ideas. Give us what you got at us at us. We'll we'll keep this going for a few weeks of this will be great for when we make our big news tease where were teasing something. I I messed about it. But yes, send us your ideas. You you have something that you've written or you wanna get creative. You've writers you feign artists. You fantastic writers. I swear I don't hate you as much as I sounded like a little while ago that was just for sonic that was just for sonic. That's it. But the rest of you. They'll ahead. Go nuts. Dazzling gifts and send us a tweet out. Call me DJ eminent Jack d Tyler D. And until then thank you all for listening to the anime podcasts of some sort. We're an I tunes in Stitcher. We're in Spotify. We are now officially on soundcloud. Yes. I I put down the money for it. Where? We're on the soundcloud with the soundcloud wrappers, I don't think Jack, and I are going to be getting tattoos on our faces anytime soon, but we are on the soundcloud slip for social media posts blows up. You'll actually add to drop API on soundcloud anime podcast of some sort in all pot catchers, look for it by name Winky Winky. Thank you so much for listening, and we will talk about cartoons possibly somewhere else. Maybe in a studio. A real live podcast studio in the not too distant future.

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Vimeos Anjali Sud shifted the companys strategy  and became its CEO + The Atlantics Derek Thompson on the limits of the attention economy

Recode Media with Peter Kafka

1:20:31 hr | 1 year ago

Vimeos Anjali Sud shifted the companys strategy and became its CEO + The Atlantics Derek Thompson on the limits of the attention economy

"In this episode is sponsored by IBM the world needs a technology company that applies smart technologies at scale with purpose and expertise, not just for some, but for all, let's expect more from technology. Let's put smart to work. Visit IBM dot com slash smart. To learn more. Hi, this is Recode media. This is not Peter cough khou, but peacock is sitting across from me smirking and a pink shirt today, his first foray into pink Rouge yourself called I am Golda the gold, Arthur and eagled Arthur, I am senior producer of media. And I am the person you are the person I've wanted to be recurring character on the show today. I get my wish it's my early birthday present. Thank you all the today. I have lost a battle not to be a presence in the show on the Mike. But here I am. We're gonna try something a little different today on the show in a couple minutes. We're going to get on with the guests on the show, which today are unreleased sued who is CEO of. And what is the meal is a website that is not YouTube, but is still a video website instead of bunch of different interrelations, and is doing something pretty interesting. I thought she was great. Actually, she's a fascinating interview. And after that we do is today's a two for two. For the price of one, which is zero dollars. You're welcome Derek Thomson from the Atlantic. We've had him before. He's great. He's got a podcast. We'll talk about that. We just it's just an excuse for me to tap, Derek's giant brain about media, and everything else. So these are really great guests and actually, I found them both very insightful on a bunch of things. But before we get to that news always needs to talk about. I think in media, which is why we're getting to it at the top of the show. I want to know about CBS, Viacom CBS, Viacom BBS, calm controlled slash owned by Sherry Redstone father, Sumner built those companies, he's still alive, but he's no hand is not on the rudder. There's a long stay behind that you can read Keach, great book about how his, his life anyway, they have been trying to get together share. Redstone is one of the CBS invited to get together for three years now. And today's news is that maybe sometime in the next few weeks. CBS is finally going to sort of formally make an offer to combine to buy, Viacom. Doesn't mean it'll happen. Probably is going to happen. Why is it taking three years? It's very long story again. You should definitely read Keith's book. But Sherry Redstone has controlled these two companies she wants them to get together because we're now in a world where one thinks you need to get bigger and bigger and bigger to compete with apple and Netflix, AT and T. I mean eighteen tee Time Warner Time Warner was one of the biggest media companies, Disney bought FOX everyone is bulking up and by those standards, CBS, Viacom, which are pretty decent sized companies look really small so sh share. It's done wants to combine them in. Probably can bind them another asset and maybe sell all those two Verizon or an Amazon or whoever she's wanting to do it. And, but life is messy their egos involved for a long time. One of the big sticking points was the fact that less moon vez who up until a year ago was considered, you know, one of the, the outstanding media leaders really didn't want to do the deal essentially didn't want to give up control, and he could essentially block it cut to now less Moonves has no longer work. That CBS's persona non grata probably a terrible harasser, allegedly probably allegedly. And so a sure some can essentially get these two companies together she can't technically do that. There's a weird legal fight get involving her father and unless Moonves that essentially prevents her from actually compelling into companies to merge for a while. But they're both own slash controlled by her. They both both the boards know what she wants them to do. They have to do the fiduciary duty and dot all there is. But they will push them together at some point. Well, I tell me what the next step is what the next thing you're expecting to happen here. And then what happens when they merge? So sometime this summer, they'll be a formal offer from CBS. It says this is what we think. Viacom is worth at. And by the way, here's how we think the management will be structured. That's a big deal share. Redstone has wanted by Backus. You runs Viacom to sort of run. The combined company CBS doesn't have a CEO right now. We've got an acting CEO so figuring out who's actually going to run. The combined thing will be a mess. It'll get done probably. And then once that happens. There's a year to eighteen months of combining those companies who's in who's out which assets keeping Howard programming all this stuff, and then maybe at the same time share Redstone will try to combine the merged company with another asset like Lionsgate slash stars. Another one of these sort of, like smaller sized media companies that she could tack onto that and get some bulk, an after that, who knows. I mean they're still going to be I would I would go to Rico dot net. And look at our media landscape char- they're still going to be a very small company compared to a Disney FOX or an eighteen Time Warner or even NBC you Comcast. They're still being considered undersized. So I'm not really sure what the plan is there other than they're probably worth more combined to a acquirer I think is what share Redstone really thinks than they would be a standalone companies. So she probably wants to sell them scale scale scale. Right. Yeah. And by the way, the, the, the other thing, I think that's interesting about all. This is it underscores the fact that they're actually has not been that much emanating media. We had the Time Warner deal once the, the courts approve that deal, we all thought there'd be a wave of these deals happening, and there really hasn't been, and that's kind of interesting. All that's great to know about. And what does this have to do with Emile US? I I'm wondering, Peter, what does this have to do with the meal? They are related because there was a minute a couple years ago when video was saying it was run by berry doors. We're going to get into streaming. We're going to get into this original content world. We see what Netflix is doing. We see what Amazon is doing it, we want some of that to the they announced they were gonna make their own shows and stream them and you're going to be scribe, and then one day they said, actually. No, we're definitely not doing that. And I think wisely they realized that they were not no way able to compete with Netflix and Amazon's an AT and T's the world. I mean eighteen years just doing a deal right now with Jj Abrams for five hundred million dollars for X number of years. That's just for the right to work with him. That isn't what they're going to. Spend on the stuff he makes there's a check to him for the right to keep working with Jj rooms. So they got out of that world. And now they're in a in some ways much more boring. Business, which is selling video services to mom pop retailers. But it's also an interesting one. So that's what we're gonna talk to Angela about yesterday to it. Then here is utterly said from the meal. This is Recode media with Peter Kafka. That is me and talking to you from vox media headquarters in New York City. My guess is just complimented me on the headquarters. Thank you. Of course, I guess is Angela sue. She's the CEO of MU. Also as fancy headquarters. Welcome. Thank you. It's great to be here. Peter, you've had this job for a couple of years, I am about to hit two years. Two years. You've been longer than that, about five years and has gone through a couple of different interruptions, depending on how closely you paid attention. You know that it's a video website it's maybe not owned by berry Diller, if you know it's video website, that's even better because usually people think that were Vive our Vattimo. Okay. Well, those are I don't know if they're six well vivo. All right. They're both companies. Yeah. We got that video for a long time. I thought of you is this thing that might have been YouTube. And I think buried Diller runs, ic- thought it might have been YouTube. There was a stretch where they were going to get into the. Video subscription business, and so other people's videos, and they were going to get into the Netflix business and make their own videos, and there's record scratch, and they said, no, no, no scrap all that. We're doing something else, and that's where you come in. Yeah. So we have gone through several identities at video over its fifteen year history started as an entertainment destination, like YouTube, then, you know what and ended up happening was, we had all these creators coming to the platform. They brought great content that content brought viewers one day you wake up and suddenly, you have two hundred million monthly viewers, and you start to think, oh, maybe we can build a Netflix. And so that was something when I first came to the meal, that was the strategy, something that we were looking at and, and it made sense at the time, because we had, this amazing community and we had creators, who were making shorts that were going viral and getting picked up by HBO and, you know, you could see a scenario where we could be successful. The home of high maintenance, high maintenance, which is yes, still HBO today. And, and so there was, I think there was a real sort of window in time, where it could have made sense, and effectively, what happened is the stakes change and original content. You went down the path, you guys hired people. You said we've hired this executive Hollywood. She's gonna make a bunch of shows we're going to put money into it, and then one day your CEO at the time, Joey Logan said, no actually retold not doing that. Yeah. I think we took it really seriously. We invested seriously and the industry changed as we were putting together accelerated, and frankly, the investments went from millions to billions. And when you think about it, look, I want, you know, their strategy is to invest in large markets where they can have long term competitive advantage, and we initially felt that we could differentiate it because of our community. But when, when people are investing billions, and billions and content that differentiation starts to go away. And at the same time that we were sort of seeing the struggles in original content, on the flip side, the business that I was running with inva- meal was focused on building tools for the people behind the camera for all the crew. Creators, who are going to be making content in this new era and that business was doing incredibly well. And so, when, when you start to see challenges in your core strategy, and you're lucky and fortunate enough to have as other strategy that's working, you pivot. And by the way, I think the internet is littered with companies that didn't give it when they saw the signs. I think it's it's hard but it's also smart. Pivoting is good. I think it gets a bad rep because it gets overused, and it's a sort of cliche, generally whatever ID, you have when you start a business, probably isn't the right idea. He probably tweak it significantly. You can debate what a pivot is. But probably if you haven't pivoted you've done something wrong, especially in an industry like video where, you know, technology changing consumer expectations are changing you should expect that you as a company are going to need to shift. But this business is actually the business, you've always had Vinnie. Right. The way that has always made money is by selling subscriptions to peop-. People who made videos, not people who consume videos, and there's never an advertising business. I always assumed you were going to get into it. It's always been this business where you sell a subscription to people who are professional or amateur that usually professional people who make videos. Right. And that is the business. You're sort of still in today. Yeah. So we've never made money on advertising. We've always had a subscription model for creators. What's changed? I think is that our definition of a creator has expanded significantly. You know, we really catered to independent filmmakers and video professionals for at least a decade plus of the meals history at a real from someone who was probably exactly if you were an agency or a videographer, you know, you're using video, what's changed is. We've really think of ourselves now as much more of a B, two B software company technology company, and our definition of a creator is everyone from the independent filmmaker too. To a small businesses to fortune five hundred company. Because now all of those people and organizations need to communicate on the web with video, and they need professional quality tools and workflow to do that. And there aren't alternatives out there that are focused on this part of the market, where you're headed is this sort of enterprise model where and then you're going to sell? So in addition to the Hollywood folks, and New York at agencies and independent filmmakers to someone who's got a whatever shop and wants to make their own video that's going to run a commercial that's going to run on Facebook or YouTube or wherever you want them to use you to help make that video video for their website for Facebook Instagram for training videos any way in which they need to engage their customers, our audience, and the reality is, we've already made that transition today, the vast majority of new users and growth that we see on the platform are already businesses and we're gonna nations. And that markets huge I liken it to the website builder market, where ten years ago. The idea that any local coffee shop could have their own website, and build it in an hour, seemed concretely, and then you have like wicks and squarespace and go daddy, come up. And I think in a couple years, when video does its job, any small business, or local company, or big brand, is going to be able to have a successful online video strategy because of our tools swears base weeks that that business, always surprise me, because I sort of thought there was his period in really olden days where their, their companies that only made websites and they went public organic, and then I went away in one of the reasons that went away, is because it turns out, it wasn't that complicated to make a website charging way too much money. But it turns out there was a gap between people who would make websites for big companies versus your local flower. Shop did not know how to make a website at all these filled that gap. And so he. You guys want to go in the same place. Same same exact place. I mean the way I think of it is today, any company or brand organization needs to basically operate, like a media company on the internet. I always use the worry Parker example. If you go to worry Parker's Facebook page there, I glass company, they make glasses. They're not a media company, but they're producing video every day, sometimes multiple times a day to engage with their audience. And so that need is there. And if you just think about, like a local small business, there's no way today that they would say, oh, yes, it's really easy for me to make multiple videos a day. In addition to running my business, and those are the tools that video is working on providing everything from making video to hosting and distributing video to knowing if you know, your, your videos, are performing, well, it was getting myself up to speed before he got here to actual research. Went to your investor relations with slab some buttons and looks like it's working one hundred and sixty million dollars last year, give or take you lost twenty eight million growing. Mm fast twenty three percent growth first quarter. My head numbers where he's, you are nailing millions. Yeah, I think we see a lot of allegation. So this is a business that exists it would you have to do to sort of make grow faster to lean into the pivoted to us to cliches. Good, old fashioned focus and investment in product. You know, the reality is this problem that we're trying to solve where anyone can have a video successful video strategy, you know, in the future. It's not an easy problem. And we do have a lot of investment that we're making a new tools and technology. How are we using our community to help others, make better videos? So we're constantly. It's about our roadmap. And what we're launching to offer that value proposition that we think, in a couple of years is going to be really disruptive. Marketing some women. I didn't mention marketing, but it's, it's a good point as the majors. Right. You need to let the small business know that you can help the small business make video fresh air. We actually just launched our, our first brand campaign if, if any of your listeners are in San Francisco, they may have seen it on the subway. You might have seen it. Yes. And then York subway to it's the first time we've, we really tried something like this. And the reason is that, you know, for Vinnie out, it's true. Not only do de most businesses. Not. No. This is our strategy but we also have no thirteen years of brand equity, that's been built up where people think of us as sort of the high brow YouTube, so we not only have to increase brand awareness, we have to change it, which isn't easy, but that is an area of opportunity for us. And I think, you know, the reality is we're seeing good results with most people still, not really understanding what we do, which means that there's plenty of room for us to do better. So how does this work? So you were you were running this core business the subscription business. The creator business carry trainer. Who's now running soundcloud was the CEO he leaves there's like a year long search replacement turns out your the replacement and also the thing that you were doing is now the core strategy. I'm assuming it doesn't happen by accident. Yeah. Look. It was it was not something I would have predicted because our core strategy was original content. But at the end of the day, icy our parent company, I think, and Barry Diller. They respond well to results you know, it's an intellectually honest culture. And you know, when when one part of the strategy is challenged, and there's another that's working, it does sort of become obvious. That, that's the right trade off tomatoes and just happen on its own. Right. You have to sort of raise your hand and campaign. And how does how does that work? Yeah, well for me it was, I wouldn't say it was campaigning, but I had to prove it. I had to prove it, and we I can tell you, we certainly wouldn't have made the shift if we weren't showing several quarters of clear results and results being things like we had a I think about a fifty percent team that I was overseeing at the time. So still relatively small amount of resources compared to all of, you know, and we were launching new products and our customer satisfaction scores doubled. In a course of three months, you know, and revenue was exceleron and all these things were happening that gave us, I think, confidence that we had something here. And then, of course internally I was championing. Strategy. I took every opportunity I could to kind of pitch why I felt this market was going to be huge. No one else was looking at least win put the context there is at berry. Enjoy eleven saying, hey, what should we do with them? You and who should run it? And you say, hey, I have an idea or you sort of feeding them constantly while carries there, or where does this happen. I was never, I would say as explicit or clear is that the reality is there was never conversation about who would run. It was just what do we want to be? And there was a lot of conversation about okay? If the original content ask THAAD strategy is a question, Mark. What else could we be? So one day, Joey announces through basically a press release that we're getting not doing that. Did he I can't remember? Did you say we're doing this instead or okay? He did. Yeah. That was stage process. It was it was a one stage process. And I think and the reason for that is because what did not happen was that we said, oh. Option. A doesn't work. We need option be what happened was. We said option A is looking riskier, an option, B's, locate a hell of a lot better. And that is it's an important nuance because I think. Just slamming on the brakes. We're also we have a direction to go direction that I was very excited about for a long time in the lot of a lot of people at maneuver excited about, and I think even berry Diller, and Joey, and icy were interested in enough. And then we saw the results at, at that point to convince them, and I think, at the time of the of the shift, what I can tell you is. I see was all in. We were all in on this sort of software as a service SAS like creator focus strategy. We saw all the signals internally we understood the market externally, and I think that's why you've seen in the last two years. We have not been shy. You know, we've done two big acquisitions were doing, you know, we're being fairly ambitious in this, and we're not being tentative and the reason we're not being tentative is because by the time we got to this point we were confident. Hear more about how you get berry door to change his mind. So we're going to quick break, and then we're going to hear all about that. 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He's got out where he comes from, and I think sort of always been sort of more interested in media than the PNL shows. So I could see why he kept video around for a long time, because one it might turn out to be a YouTube into. Just video and it's interesting. So now you go to say, I have a good idea for him. You know. But no one's ever gonna write about video again. It's going to be the service business. It's going to be enterprise. Your eyes are glazing over as I'm talking about how do you sell that? I mean it's true that telling berry Diller that we wanna go from being net flicks to be to be tools companies next HBO, right? Yeah. It's not the sexiest thing, but berry came from Hollywood and builds this internet company, that's done amazingly while on spun off ten bubble companies in the last twenty years, I think the thing that he's probably most excited about is finding these new markets and long-term differentiation that allows you to win. I mean that's what he thinks is sexy. And we're not going to be the next HBO but yeah, and I and I think that what was exciting was. There's this whole other side of the market, which is the creators and people behind the camera. And. Nobody's thinking about them in the way that video Ken, and it's going to be huge. And there's enough validation here that we have in the numbers and what we're seeing on the platform to give you the confidence that this isn't some crazy ass idea. That is gonna fall apart and most importantly, it leverages all of the things that make me. Oh, great that we've built up over a decade. Our community of amazing creators, are focused on high quality and add free experience the deep deep investment, and intellectual property. We've built in video in our player all the data, we've accumulated on how that he has performed. There's so many things that we can do that. No one else can do. So let's go after base. Mix and those seem to be obvious complimentary services. Masumi haven't spent any time was worse for maybe I will one day. Maybe they'll advertise your one day. But I'm assuming that they have some kind of video capacity. Right. There helping build a website. I'm sure they have some feature where you can also make video Pretty's. Is that is that your competition here going after? Think of those guys as us partners. And we do have conversations with them, and you can easily embed video of the video player on their websites. And so, you know, I think it's very complimentary. And by the way, so many of our other, what were once competitors are also partners. We today partner a lot of people don't know this partner with you too. And we actually built tools that help our creators, and businesses easily with one click natively distribute their videos to YouTube to Facebook to Twitter to Lincoln. And so I think the overall idea is. Yeah. You need a website and. Yeah. If you want to reach an audience, you've got to be on social media a true. Video strategy is needs to be everywhere, and you need a different set of features and tools to do that. And what happens with business that you guys had tried to build. Right. The you can sell subscriptions to your videos, is that stick around you, I was going to say his sunsets terrible verb to get rid of it. Now, we, we actually we've shifted that as well. A little bit away from, you know, people just sort. Selling a piece of content to their audience more to actually allowing anyone to have their own over the top, or OTT channel. So, basically building the tools that you can have build your own net flicks, and we. Right. It's going to be my. Here's my yoga, instructional books for yoga or, you know, the net flicks for sneakers is one that I saw recently on the platform. There's a cannabis one that's watering. And what's interesting, there is, that's the typical, we see big media brands using our technology. So you've got the Jillian Michaels in the Martha Stewart's in the criterion collection channels, who are who are using our technology to go out and build these big businesses. But then the long tail of you know that yoga instructor who may be built a following on YouTube isn't making any real money from advertising, but has found that, you know, maybe she's never gonna have millions of subscribers. But she can have tens of thousands of subscribers paying her real money and built a very successful business in the standard. How do you can be with YouTube or Facebook? Anyone who either isn't that business could be in that business? That's what you're focused on. Yeah. And I mean, I think there's a big difference in this case, we're just the technology. They own the customer. They own the brand. It's very different from a YouTube or Facebook model. And again, it's not an or it's an and you know what we find is that yoga instructor is very well served to continue to invest and build her YouTube following. But she's gonna use that as marketing to then get those customers and to our own channel where she has that relationship directly, you mentioned acquisitions. You bought something called the G student pronouncement running. Yeah. Midget sto. Yeah. Just announced that a few weeks ago, I saw two hundred million dollars that seems like a lot of money for a for the amount. I I'm not sure where that number came from. But I wouldn't generally coast get, and that is going to allow people to part of the suite ready? It's make your own video. It's automated. Yeah. So this is it's primarily a mobile mobile app, and it allows really any small business to easily create short form videos for social media specifically. So this is not us trying to compete with like. At advanced video editing software, like an adobe it's really trying to solve a new problem, which is the fact that today if you want to be making videos for social media, the shelf life of those videos, a super short the stat that I think as crazy as that seventy five percent of views that you get on a Facebook video happened in the first four days, which means if you're not making new videos, every couple of days like you don't have a video strategy. And so if you think about, you know, the average small business, they're not gonna have the budgets of the resources to have thrown shoot and hire a crew and be shooting video and making it every four days. And so with this app, does, is it has a variety of different tools, pulls in stock footage and clips that you shoot yourself from your phone. Yeah, it gives you kind of a foundation. Gonna win an award for that video. But it will be effective and novel enough and yeah, and I think that's the tool today. I think the opportunity that video sees with that tool is actually how do we make it? So how do we sort of combine what then meal offers with our community and inspiration and quality that we have with that tool? How can we actually elevate the standards for those types of videos, and how do we get to a place where any, any small businesses making beautiful high quality contents on a regular basis for social media video making schools. I video making skills are, I would say, sub par. It's hard to make is video hard. It's time it's easy to take a photo making. Okay photo writes, why is Graham really works. It's pretty easy to write. Unfortunately, for me a video really hard, it's hard to make video that someone's going to watch from ordinary couple of seconds. Yeah, it's hard. And I think this is where one of the things I get really excited about is how. Video can use all the data that we have around what actually makes videos engaging and gets people to watch them for longer or, you know, click when you want them to click, or, or have a positive sentiment about that video. We actually have an amazing amount of data we aggregate across platforms, because we're sort of in this agnostic situation, and I think what you're gonna see from us in the next couple of years. It's a start to use that data and feed it into the tools that were building. Yeah, yeah. And it's just a suggestions, and recommendations never in a prescriptive way because the creative control we will always always for ways prioritize giving that to the creator. But I think that what we hear is people, you know, people understand the audiences are changing in the way that they engage with video content is changing, and they're looking for help, and the rules and guidelines around distribution chain. Right. Facebook is promoting this kind of? So if you want to rank higher, you need to do this book, just recently shared, I think couple of weeks ago. They've, they've, obviously been prioritizing video at the feet, and there are algorithms for a long time, but they recently announced that they're now going to start prioritizing original video content, and people that post frequently so it's constantly changing, it's only going in one direction that which is more video better quality video, and in needs to be something that it needs to be a tool that anyone can use still wanna figure out how you campaign for the job without like you were campaigning Jabber. Maybe maybe you do campaign for the job, right again. It's not. It's not buried Diller's not someone who's just going to sort of go away. I, I don't know you, but I found you in a crowd, I'm going to give you the job, right? Yeah. How do you convince him and Joey, that this should be your job? No idea that I could see of at me. I'm just to be honest with you. So I wasn't campaigning for the job because you're old when you got the job. Thirty three I just turned. It was determined thirty four. So, honestly, I didn't think I see what ever have the guts to not only shift but put me in that role. And so I wasn't on I, I genuinely wasn't campaigning for the job. I was absolutely campaigning for the strategy, and I was not shy about that. I was really open about the fact that I thought it was a better strategy for us long term. I thought it was one where we could be differentiated really solve a problem. No one else was solving and every time that we had results or something positive to show that I was I was presenting it to the company. I was presenting it to Joey. I was I was definitely. Campaigning for that unabashedly. And then you say and by the way, if you can't find anyone else after a year, I could be CEO or you suggested that along the lines or do they come to you and say this is a good strategy and you should be the one to do it, it was the latter. It was the ladder. How does that happen? Joey called me in to his office one morning and said, I think the, the Friday before he had asked me some questions about hypothetically, like, what would you do if you had more resources or, you know, if you was to focus on this, and then I think, literally that was on Friday, and then on the Monday, he called me into his Austin, he said, I think we wanna make the shift and we'd like you to run the meal. And then I said, are you serious? And then he said, yes. And I said, just because I thought it was like the appropriate thing to do. I said, oh, let me let me think about it like a day, over didn't want to be like, yes, please. But by the way, the option of you not running it as you leave, right? Yeah. And he was, I think he may even made a joke where he was like, yes, of course, you can take time, but just to be clear, like you'd be crazy not to do that and predictably with I think I, I held off, like five hours on, then I was like this is amazing. Question your mind like. Your background. But, but you have not been CEO of anything prior to this was there any thought that I don't know. Maybe maybe I shouldn't be doing this. Maybe I should get a year of something else under my belt. I or. I think this is more about me than anything. But no, there was not any question in my mind, but only because I had a lot again. I had a lot of confidence having done having run that the business out of much smaller scale, but I I've been doing it for a year. And I knew at that point, I knew that I knew the business, I knew our users. And I knew the opportunity inside and out. And I think if I hadn't had that year, sort of under Joey for doing it a little bit under the radar, I might have felt differently. But when I stepped into it, I was really. Yeah, I felt like I'd been doing the job and I felt really well positioned, and you have to remember, you know, I did Nova meal extremely well for five years. I knew the team really well, you know, I felt like I was at a really good place, grit. Resume includes over Time Warner Amazon, what was your last job before? You got to I was at Amazon, I was actually at a subsidiary of Amazon called diapers dot com, and I was running marketing there. So, I was I went from selling diapers online to online, video dot com. No longer exist right now. Controversy over it Contreras. I think because the company in a longer resists and now there's just Amazon sells you diapers. Yep. Yeah. I think that that was a classic. Yeah. I think Amazon knew they had to get in with moms online, acquire diapers common and end up consolidating. We're fascinated with Amazon. Everyone's fascinated with them on, how do you get to Amazon because it must've been pretty early in your career. Yeah. Actually, so I started my career in finance investment, banking, and I wanted to get out of finance, no one's heard. Yeah. Like I mean, it's called sage in advisors, but it wasn't. Yeah, I when I start I couldn't I couldn't get into investment banking when I was looking to get a job. And so I they, they were just starting. So I was the first analysts they hired I was like this startup investment Bank, or not, those exists. But I, I wanted to get out of invest making I wanted to go into the e-commerce world. And so. Wanted to work at Amazon or the same thing. I wanted to tack and I was intrigued by Amazon. Obviously, they were doing credibly well. And so I've managed to get in the door at Amazon, I, I managed to a summer internship, there in corporate development business development, which is a segue between finance, and like being an operator and I'm assuming they have a thousand locations, right? Yeah. Because again, wasn't like you were finding this start up. No one's ever heard of Amazon and its tennis years ago. So they're already mammoth. Yeah, for sure. I mean I had to. Yeah, I mean, I was I had to go through all the, you jump through all the hoops to get the job. But I think for me it was more that the job. I started at Amazon wasn't the one I want it to be doing. It was just the one that was to my skill set. And then I basically got in, and then I effectively, you tried to do a really good job. And then say, hey, is ready where you can help me transition into the thing? I really wanna do. And ultimately, I was able to do that. And I got to try a lot of different things at Amazon. And look, I think one of the things about that. Company, and there's office, lots of opining and, and discussion around Amazon's culture. But one of the things I found from my experiences, they were very comfortable, putting giving people opportunities do things they hadn't done before to do this. We think you will figure it out. Yeah. Yeah. And I was really attracted to that. And then actually it's one of the reasons I ended up going to go and going to see was that buried dealer has that same philosophy. You know, just like put people in situations explicitly, where they may be uncomfortable, but that's when they'll learn, and that's when they'll grow and it's not the right fit for everybody. But for me it ended up being not only the right fit. But obviously, I'm a beneficiary of having a great career that I never imagined. I'd have because of marketing diapers, Amazon marketing video service. What, what is the Amazon experience? Teach you about what you're doing. Now, I'm it's you know, it's all the classic stuff it first and foremost, it all starts with the customer Amazon was always, and they talk about it, but they really do walk the walk. On that. You know you have to understand the customer. And if you're not adding value to the customer, like, what are you marketing? That was a big one for me. And it actually when I got to video, I spent a ton of time talking to creators, and that's what I started to click that there's this pain point in friction that they're experiencing. And we just there wasn't the, the tools were not there that we're solving it. So I think the customer focused was a huge one major difference is I'm sorry to interrupt you now going, but everyone needs a diaper knows they need a diaper. Right. Quite clear, no mystery. And they're all familiar with Amazon. Right. So they're gonna go to Amazon dot com or diapers dot com and search for diapers and buy them. So I'm not saying it's an easy job, but it's a different job. Whereas, especially now what you're doing you need to go to that flower shop or the yoga person whoever and say you made I know you need to make video yet. Yeah. Or you don't literally have any idea how to do this. I'm going to. And by the way, where this company, you probably haven't heard of, and you. You think? So it's, it's a lot different. It's totally different. And I would say the tactics that we've taken of amino are really different. And this is where again like it's not about me, having had a playbook at Amazon that I could apply to him, you know, because the space that we're in it's changing fast. There is no playbook. It's just it's just about being smart, and like getting signals and reacting to them, and what what we're trying to do is we're trying to do things differently. There is no like formula. But ultimately, if you just go back to the fundamentals is there a real problem? A big problem. Can we truly solve it the rest how we get there how we market and all of that to me? Those are just tactics of those other more fundamental things are true that you can be successful. I always think about shop, a fi as a great example. There was a time when most people were probably quite skeptical of, like how many people out there really want to build their own ecommerce company like how big is that going to be? And like, is that a problem in what? To shop, if I do, and now they're, you know, I think they're the thirty billion dollar market cap and it's so obvious. I think that's what is going to happen in video. And I think the meal is positioned to be that, that company where hopefully in a few years if I do my job. And, and we do what we need to do like people will look back and be like, oh, that's so obvious. Of course, everyone needs a video strategy and every business in the world will, we'll pay for it probably couple of years ago in great tips company, are you interested in? It's not your company's patriot. Hi did yes off to other people said it. All right. Got pay attention to patron who, who are you fascinated with, who you're not competing with directly, working with in video space, just pure, generally, honestly, I if I had like a company crush, it would be zoo. You know, they're, they're going, Gary boring. All the time. They're boring, and it's I mean, I you know, they just shared some of their numbers, and it's just it's I have so much respect for the ability to scale the way they have while being profitable with a product. I industry that again, doesn't seem very sexy or like seeing. Zoom yet no one's gonna use them. They don't say a love it. Yeah. And maybe this is why I'm like such a good fit for a SAS business because for me, I think it's like the most exciting coolest thing is what they've done, and what I think, is so great about it is, they built a product that just changed the standards for everybody, and it's like a no brainer for this use of Cisco thing or if you work at Facebook blue whatever they redefined the way we think about the video conferencing, and I, I think that is for me. I just have a lot of respect for, for companies at approach problems that way. And as I say, we have a lot of work to do video to get there and the video world because the problem we're trying to solve was extremely complex today. But I think technology is, you know, lowering those barriers to entry we have the brand, we have the scale we have the community. I didn't we can do it. And so I just look at what zoom does. And I think they've really cracked the code for how to build a true best in class asp business you're running. This thing within a public company, they broken you out and the ideas to convince shareholders that they're not giving their investors that there, they should be giving icy much more credit. Negative a billion dollars. So that's good. Because you're getting a spotlight shown on you also there's a spotlight what sort of pressures that put on you. I think there's trade offs like or is it no pressure? Because you bury Bill enjoy Levin would be looking at you regardless whether or not, there's definitely, it's not that there's less pressure. But of course, when you have quarterly earnings, I think there's a more, there's always a risk that you can get more short term oriented versus long-term ranted, and that is a known risk that I have to manage, and that ICS to manage the reality is I would take that trade off any day of the week. Like for me. If I if we were a VC backed private company, I'd be spending all of my time fundraising, and I don't have to do that. I get to think about the strategy and what we're gonna do far users. And that is way more valuable to me, but I do have to always balance the short term versus long term thinking, and I think what's nice about icy, as they are, obviously patient, investors. You know, they've owned been meal for a long time and in all the categories that they've. Played in. They've always been quite patient. And so that's an important counterbalance to the whole like quarterly earnings thing. But right now, you know, I think like the spotlight probably forces us to be a little more disciplined and rigorous than we might otherwise be. And I try and think of that, as, as a good thing. Slop cash around than going back and ask us, the Saudis for more money. I don't know. Maybe you can hundred thanks for coming. Deal looking forward to this for a while. I appreciate it. Thanks again. Angela sued for coming on this podcast really cool to talk to her also cool. I got to talk to Derek Thompson. There was also a podcast or writer. He's been on this podcast before, so smart. We had him on again. We talked about his new podcast crazy genius. And I'll be thing he writes about, which is pretty much what this podcast talks about you'll figure it out right away because you're going to hear about it right now. Derek Thompson here. Are you still a senior editor at the Atlantic? That was that's where you were the last time we talked. I am now a staff writer, promotion or demotion it is a correction. I was a senior editor for a long time. Even though I wasn't particularly senior, and edited absolutely nothing. And then Jeff Goldberg editor in chief of the Atlantic essentially said, let's make these titles make some sense. So I am on staff, I do right for a living, so staff writer fits the Bill and now you've got a podcast wrote crazy genius season to season three he's in Mr. season. So the first two seasons had like a two months hiatus. So it was one of those Blinken you miss. The gap between seasons one and two. But we are technically in season three okay for the record last time you were here. Few years ago, Recode media fans are avid fans. Remember your last appearance promoting a book called hit makers had makers want to talk about this as well. And we can talk about the internet and the economics of the internet. I must start with an article, you wrote a few months ago called I think the attention economy is a mouth. Susan to pronounce Malthus incorrect. I think he did. Yeah. Yeah. So I so here's an intimidating and then an attractive were. But basically, you're saying, yes, when basically saying in the attention economy is a moth trap is the idea that it feels like a lot of it's a rare thing for the largest companies in the world to essentially be participating in an attention economy to be trying to gather up people's slices of time to look at ads or look at because even while Google and Facebook still insists they're not media companies that isn't in fact what they are. They're gathering your attention. And they're selling out. They the metrics on those ads are impressions impressions or sliver of time and time is finite. So there is a Malthusian trap and the attention economy because you can't create more hours of time. So what I was saying, essentially in that article was that it was really interesting to me, the degree to which you had sort of the first generation of large tech companies being built in the attention economy, but that there was a ceiling there because you can't create more hours today. And this was resident with me because it is sort of a thing in the back of my head that, even though I love reading about media and old media, and digital media, and established companies and technology upending it. And even though this is incredibly exciting time, we've got Netflix versus apple versus Amazon versus AT, and T would have been hoping to write about for years. It's all happening now. It also kind of feels settled in some ways. Yes. What you were getting. Yeah, it does feel a little bit settled and I do think that you see a lot of these companies that have thrived in the attention economy, now looking for the next mountain to climb. That's just a backup, so it's, it's not. Settled because we don't know sort of where the pieces of the old media companies are going to end up. But they're going to be sort of absorbed in scattered amongst the wind. It's that the Google and Facebook and apple an Amazon, as we know them sort of have reached their logical, and in terms of gathering, your attention and trading that for ads like there's still going to make a lot of money. They're still growing at an enormous rate, but it's kind of a subtle path. Yeah. It, it is settled and it's just like how many more hours, can you possibly spend looking at your phone? If you spend seven eight hours a day already looking at your phone. If you're waking up in the middle of the night to check your phone already you're already engaging with and attention economy, that has certain limits because how much time how much more time could you possibly be spending with these device, right? And even this it's we have. We'll maybe they'll be a device. It'll be an A R goggle or it's gonna be something that's shoots up out of your watch, or whatever it is. And regardless of that tech actually happens. You're still there's still a fun at amount of time. You're going to spend consuming stuff. Right. Exactly. So what I said, is that the mountain of attention had essentially been climbed that you had all. These companies that Facebook's, and the googles even the net flicks is essentially saying, we are seeing our profit growth, our revenue growth, start to slow down, because we are reaching the Malthusian limits of this attention economy. So what's the next mountain that can be climbed? I listen to Scott Galloway talk a lot about the future of retail, and I think that a lot of these companies are looking to add a retail layer to their attention economy because that is another mountain. She look at what we need. A new business line exempt business line is selling you things. Exactly. Right. When we have your attention what else can we have? How about your wallet? So you have Instagram, essentially saying, all right, we're already the most popular social media app among teenagers and young people in America, there already obsessively scrolling for four hours a day, through pictures, and influencers, etc. What more can we get from them? We'll hell about some of their direct money because there's only so many ads that we can show them without making them feel like the entire platform. So he was. Succeed. It seems like a very logical step in very sort of easy relatively speaking for Instagram. Whoever's add a commerce function. We live in a world now where I love the word drop shipping. It sounds very William Gibson where where you can add, it, you can build a Commerce Department without ever touching a good, right? It seems like this is pretty easy to sort of bolt on, I think that with Instagram specifically, it should be pretty easy to layer this on. So if you imagine that millions of people are already interacting with influencers for hours a day, and then going to a separate site to buy the makeup product at that influencers selling that it makes a lot of sense for Instagram to say, whoa, wait a second. We'll just put a by here button so that people can make that purchase directly on Instagram and rather than Amazon get that little bit of money for the purchase. Instead Instagram is kind of creating a digital emporium where they captured the entire value of that exchange. So I get that. I think that that's a pretty low. That's low hanging fruit. But at the same time, if you think about, you know, Google and Facebook in conquering, the attention, mountain created products that didn't really exist entirely. There wasn't a global digital social network. There wasn't a global digital search engine, they were first to market, they capture the market became a novelist and climb the mountain. But there's already a king of the mountain in retail. Maybe there's five right like WalMart and Amazon. And a handful of other companies are just they're sitting there, getting people's money all the time. So if you're a Facebook or Google, or even net flicks trying to say become Disney right, combined entertainment business with the merchandising business, you are competing against established incumbents, and you have to find some way to build a new kind of product, one solution to that problem is. To bundle to say if you are Nike, for example, okay? We know that people love Nike. We know that people are spending a lot of a lot of time and a lot of money interacting with our stuff. What if we want to become a healthy living bundle? What if we create a relationship with a hospital and then also by, I don't know, sweet green and a handful of brands that signify health, and that if people subscribe, pay a certain amount of money to the Nike bundle every single month or every single year they can essentially live in side of this umbrella of healthy products and tell themselves, I'm being a super healthy person because I'm a member of the Nike cult that's an interesting way to compete with these incumbents by essentially, creating a new kind of umbrella that all makes sense, but it also does make sense to me. I mean this, this, you've heard this fantasy for a couple of decades. Now, they're still talking about it at NBC. But what if you're if you're watching TV this, this goes back? Along the, the, the standard analogy was you're watching friends, and you see Jennifer Aniston on TV, and she's wearing a sweater and you'd like to buy that sweater. Wouldn't it be great if you could click a button under control and order it? So they've been talking about that. And not delivering it for a long time. It seems like they actually will be able to deliver it any minute now, but that idea saying we have your attention. What if we just also took your credit card out? It seems like the real hurdle is do we have your credit card or not? So that's where apple and Amazon have used vantage is where Google is still behind, because they are slow to get people's payments out, where Facebook, I think, has a real mountain to climb. Yeah, that's interesting. So one thing that I've noticed on Amazon, prime believe is that when you pause Amazon prime. At least I'm watching it on Roku. They have an overlay that shows you all the characters in the scene. I imagine you use Ray. It's, it's called x Ray. I imagine if you do the same thing with brands. I imagine you could opt into a brand x Ray where you press. Pause. Then it shows you, you know, this shirt came from theory, and these pants came from J crew, and you're like, oh, well, I would actually like those pants and there'd be some easy like one click thing that would allow you to buy the product that's possible. I could totally see something like that happen. I wonder though it's a little bit intrusive. I feel like people kind of want to be a little more laid back when they're watching Netflix and Amazon's your, you kind of have to be in a different frame of mind when you're watching television, but also a part of you has your thumb perched over a button to maybe by anything that you happen to see it both ways. Right. There's a whole multiple generations down on people being trained to consume video wall, they are doing other stuff with their phones, or the whole twitch theory of while you're watching an NBA game. You're also gonna wanna sort of scroll, and look at stats. I don't know if that's the case. But that's where people think we're headed. Yeah. And and watching television is already a multi screen experience. I mean I, I, I sometimes find myself I'm less. I'm watching something truly absorbing like maybe noble. I find myself really bored after five minutes if there aren't if there isn't at least one other screen active, at least to me, that's the sign that I'm watching something remarkable is that I actively put my phone away the one screen test the last time. I did that was the night of which is a couple years ago, actually I thought the first editor of the night of was absolutely spectacular. I thought it became a to screener for me as it went onto the season. But that first episode was definitely one screen. Let's talk about content a little bit. I'm gonna call a hitmaker wasn't okay. I want wanna make sure I'm not talking about someone else's book. I do remember our conversation from hit makers, which we were talking about the idea of what makes something popular and you had two different ideas and one of them was fundamentally that distribution is more important that content not the contents relevant, obviously. But the main ideas can you get this thing in front of a lot of people in how does that happen? So cut to this year, I was just talking about it. We're gonna have AT and T versus Netflix. Is everyone else. Disney came out a couple of months ago and said, here's what we've got. We're not saying we're taking on that flex, but we're taking a net flicks. The two things can go, but we're. Taking them on and our advantages, contact look at all the shit, we have it didn't say shit Disney and everyone went, wow. Absolutely. That seems to me like a like an accurate response to a while. That's amazing at. I think they'll do very well up at least up until a point. And it seems to me the argument for this is content, and yes, we're going to use the internet to distribute it. But the reason we're going to succeed out of the box is all the stuff. How does that square with your theory of distribution versus content? Let me start here. The evidence that I was right. And I'm open to the idea that theories in the book were wrong. But here I think I was definitely right. The evidence that I was right. I don't think you find it so much yet in Disney versus Netflix because Disney, plus doesn't exist. Yes, but look at Netflix versus cable, look at a show like you when it appears on lifetime the number of people who watch it can be like countable and two fingers. But you've suddenly put it on Netflix. Snippy comes a absolute hit. Right. And it's also why friends is a huge show and I think. When friends moves off of net flicks and goes to whatever the Time Warner thing, the Warner media eighteen. Do you think is called it's going to be much less impressive? And might maybe the office when it moves off of net flex and goes to the NBC thing to be named later thing. We'll be less impressive. Because it won't just be on your TV on your phone click away. Right. And so you, basically you take the same tick, the same product you put it on two different distribution channels on one. It's a failure on another. It's a hit. The difference is the distribution network. And so that I see, I see Netflix evolution as a hit maker to be proof that distribution is creating hits, because it's creating hits from shows that had their shot somewhere else and totally I do agree with you on that. And we and we published someone survey saying, basically, the thing people like about Netflix is the key content was like fourth or fifth most interesting to them. It was the container it was the fact that they didn't have as it was on demand price point, all of that. And then yes, there stuff. Like to. Yeah. Exactly. The content is almost second just stipulate, the Netflix argues for the primacy of distribution. So how do you think Disney will fair with this product? I think Disney is going to be extremely successful with this product provided that the technology works. I think that the example of ESPN plus seems to show that the technology, the distribution take now into the Disney has is pretty good, or at least is good enough is adequate. Exactly. And I think with the price point being at what like five six seven bucks unbelievably cheap, and you look at the library of content that Disney has, especially given the fact that you have this generation of millennials eighty five million people entering their upper twenties early thirties. You have delayed marriage, which means this group is just getting married just having their first maybe second kid what they want from an entertainment product like a net flicks is a product that has obvious stuff for them. And suffered their kids. Nothing is more kid friendly than Disney. I think you could say the from a generational standpoint from a demographic standpoint, Disney plus is coming along at the very moment that you would want a streaming platform for families to come along. And that's why I am a bull on Disney. Plus, even as I think, if you look maybe at the next few earnings reports the company, you're not gonna see its success necessarily, because they're just spending so much money on this product and the pricing at low enough that it's not going to be the kind of profit gusher that you would. Going to sort of this. This is a business thing, but they're going to sort of move from a traditional model of reporting saying years, our revenue, and here's our prophets, and here's the growth through the nets looks model, which is look how many subscribers we've added don't worry too much about the other numbers. And so the question for them, it will be the I think they said, we're gonna hit sixty to ninety million next of years will be, how many subs have they added in a weird way that, you know, not this isn't a stock show stocktaking show. But neither way the future Disney stock is basically dependent on whether or not Bob idir can do a good basis impersonation whether he can persuade the market to not look at profit, but instead focus on some other number of his choosing, whether it's cash flow, whether it's subscribers. And I think I can I think this is someone who has proven at least in the last fifteen years that he's been. He's been extremely successful with the few really big swings that he's taken and narrowly avoided buying vice would have tarnished the record on that. Note. Let's take a quick break. Right back with Derek. 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I knew about snake eating its tail for a long time. It didn't it was called EROs pros term for it, right? Yeah. No, I also Thomas mouth. I have a vague memory of learning about him. But the theory was that he was actually wrong. Thomas mouth. This was right about technology for the vast majority of human wasn't. You saying, we're going to run out of food. And this was a sort of in this in this. He's as seventeenth century eighteenth, century. This essentially said that there are certain natural limitations to what humans can create that will naturally result in a situation where the more people there are the less stuff there will be to go around. You'll have a famine people will die. He was right about the vast majority of human life. We've been in their mouth can track. But ironically at the very moment that he made his prediction. We had the industrial revolution, which allowed us to achieve kind of escape velocity from mouth this. So he was that the, the Sandra his six predictions seventies. Thought the earth was going to run out of food. Again. This is my vague memory of it. I guess, this is where we go to Wikipedia. Right. Are you talking about the green evolution? No, it was just there was a whole series of the earth is going to collapse. By the way, it's good thing to be thinking about in any generation, but, but it turns out that we sort of solved that problem with technologies. Well, yeah, it would be it'd be very nice if the fears about climate change had a similar Malthusian irony. We're at the very moment that we thought we were going to die. We invent some incredible machine that sort of hovers in the sky and sucks up. All of the carbon dioxide is we're gonna call this segment Peter's uninformed ramblings about technology, and, and environmentalism. Let's, let's brought to you by brought to you by a no-one no-one sponsoring this. You have sponsors for your podcast. I'm sure they're great. Oh, no g I heard so just let's lay out the premise of crazy genius. I would just say it's Dirk being smart. It's it. I mean, this is the best possible way. It's like reading one of your great Atlantic pieces just the audio equivalent of that. Yeah, we try to make an audio essay, I'd say that the formula to the extent that there is a. Formula is we ask really big questions may try to break them down into two reasonable answers. That's where the crazy slash genius comes from you, you, you present some idea is a good as bad. So a classic would be from the first season should be break-up Amazon talked to a lot of smart, people who said, yes. Talk to lettuce mart. People who said, no, we asked do aliens exist. Are there advanced species of aliens that exist in the universe? Talk to the smartest people who said, yes. Talked to smarter people who said, no. And then at the end of every episode, I try to answer the question for myself create some kind of sensitive Carl, so he can remember, you sort of step up with your mock turtleneck. Exactly. I love my mouth. So it wasn't all three that are out so far there was one on on extremism. Online, sort of starts off in sort of traditional. You know what's the problem with YouTube and Twitter? And then it takes a nice turn, which I don't want to spoil it for anybody. I did want to ask about the history of privacy, which is the first episode and you sort of this thing that I think, I think about a lot because we're writing about it a lot. I've been writing about. One way or another for a decade and I'm kind of been in your to it. The sort of is privacy a problem. Right. Do people care about privacy should we just concede that there is? No privacy online. Now we're very much in a moment where there's a lot of smart people saying this is a real problem, we should do something about it. Do we have an actual privacy crisis and is it something that's different than we've had in previous generations? I do think that we have a privacy crisis. But I also think it's really really, really hard to describe, and I think it's hard to describe because that which we call privacy has changed so much in the last two hundred years. I mean, the word does not exist in the US constitution. The closest thing that you come to a privacy amendment is something like the third amendment, you know, no forcible quartering of soldiers in people's homes privacy, the time, disrupt your privacy. Right. That would just that would disrupt my privacy, certainly and as you. Podcast. Right. Most people didn't own homes that enrich person's amendment. Yeah. Exactly the vast vast minority of Americans own homes, the time. So the idea of privacy really was invented in the late nineteenth century, the term right to privacy coined by Louis Brandeis was coined the eighteen ninety s he wasn't talking about privacy from government or companies. He was talking about privacy from journalists. Brandeis is elite friends were being bothered by these muckrakers. And he was like yo journals leave us alone. We must rich people leave the rich people loan, we have a right to privacy. So in the late nineteenth century privacy was about individuals rights to be left alone from snooping journalists in the twentieth, century, you have more Orwellian concepts of privacy, right to be left alone, from governments. There was this amazing lawsuit in the late nineteen forties. For two guys in Washington DC sued the DC transportation unit because there was muzak being. Piped in on the public buses. And they said this was an infringement of their right to be left alone. That's how freaked out people were in the nineteen forties, nineteen fifties about government intrusion. But privacy today isn't about journalists it's not about government. It's about a right to be left alone by companies that we are kind of implicitly saying, hey, you can spy on us. We are clicking. Okay buttons. We are choosing to use Amazon and Facebook and Google. And so I think the most important part that I wanted to get across in this podcast is that we're used to thinking of privacy is being about individual property, but the future of privacy, isn't about individuals, and it's not about property. It's about collective behavior. Why was Cambridge Lyrica so scary so many people it's not because some company in England changed any individuals vote if you survey a bunch of people who took that personality quiz, but Cambridge. Analytica. They might say, I voted the exact way would have with without that personality quiz, but the existence of this company using millions, thousands and millions of people's data in order to make Americans question, the functioning of their democracy. That's why it was a privacy scandal. It wasn't about individual. Privacy scandal. I think it's a weed Facebook elected Donald Trump scandal. I think that's I think I think, if this was not Trump, I think, if it was Clinton, if it wasn't related specifically to the election. I think this is a bump in the road to me. It's telling that I think for a lot of people, the bigger issue with Facebook. If you just hear them, speak just anecdotally is Facebook is listening to me and showing me ads or spying on me when I'm talking, which is not true. And and but still interesting, and, or, you know, and there were, you know, a dozen New York Times Facebook stories and one that I think was problematic in many ways. But I think also resident was the Royal Bank of Scotland or face or Netflix or Spotify reading my private messages, somehow, from Facebook, which, again, was not really true. But that's what I think of when I think, when regular people think about that they thinking that Facebook, somehow along with Fox News elected, Donald Trump, and that's bad. And that somehow. How they're reading their, their male, the general sort of I'm trading, my information for a funny video or a coupon or whatever. I think a lot of people are okay with that. It's interesting. He I, I think you have a gap between what people say they're afraid of and their actual behavior. So according to polls, if you ask people like, are you freaked out about privacy? Do you think digital privacy is probably stay say, yes? But if you ask them was you pay? How much would you pay for a service like say, you know, duck duck go or a Facebook that didn't actually use behavioral tracking in order to serve, you adds two thirds of them say zero down? There was a tweet over the weekend. I think it was Brian Stelter, saying, there's a big market for, you know, a privacy Centric, Facebook or Twitter and cut retweeted by all these people who are using Twitter. Right. And so, you know they're very they very much want a similar. Tentative Twitter say all the people who use Twitter. I think for a regular especially if it involves money, if I had to pay to use a Twitter or Facebook, I think it's a nonstarter I do think probably the strongest argument among people who say that this is really just about a novelty bias, fear of new companies fear of Facebook. That is really engendered in fear of Donald Trump asked him, this say, how would you feel about technology that surveilled your credit card data that surveilled your spending, and your debt that shared that information with banks that attached? Some obscure number two it between four hundred and eight hundred fifty that at the very moment that you were making the most important financial decision in your entire life, that information would be shared with financial institutions. But if you ask to see it's often we might punish you an American who. There's no appeal which by the way, there's no appeal. And if you try to even figure out why your number is eight fifteen which means nothing or six hundred fifty which means equally nothing will be almost impossible for you to figure it out. If you told an American that had not gone through the mortgage application process about this technology, they would probably say this is a horrifying concept. But the idea of spoiler? Their credit report is seventy years old, at least in terms of modern American technology way when you buy hundreds of years when you buy that house and move in guess, what's in your mailbox, a bunch of shit sent to you by companies who now know that you have a mortgage because the company has sold that data to you. Yeah, your data has been sold, so we live in a surveillance, capitalism world. And it is worth, I think asking questions about what the worst extra analyses of living in that world are. And I do believe that there are some scary xr analogies. I do think that the that that privacy. As described by even some of the people who are, you know, at the New York Times, and, you know, working on, on privacy pieces day in and day out. I think they have a point. But I also think that we need to reckon with the fact that there are probably more serious violations of privacy that have nothing to do with Facebook and Google. I mean there there's a couple of things with thinking about one is, you know, that ten years of reporting about sort of privacy issues regarding the military right, Snowden NSA all that stuff. And one of the common responses is hey, if you're not doing anything bad, you got nothing to worry about. And if you're of a certain mindset, you go pretty Orwellian and scary. And I think for a lot of what's resonant they go. Yeah. I do want police and the military keeping me safe and checking up and since I'm not building a bomb or sending money to jihadi is like good. I'm good. The other thing I think about a lot is I think a lot of people privacy is pornography and their medical records. And as long as they don't think anyone's watching that or sharing that they're, they're kinda. Okay. Right. And there are examples of people's medical records being shared more medical records that were thought to be private being made public, but the are relatively rare. And so, again, in this episode, I wanted to be clear on, what is the national privacy crisis. What's the best way that we can describe it? And at the very end I was convinced that there is a crisis to talk about. But I definitely come into the episode closer to you're now describing as you are position of essentially saying, I get that these threats can be described, but I cannot I cannot confess that I feel frightened by this thing. Yeah. I enjoy angle. It was great. I've had her on she's great. She's been really doing great work about this. Keep saying, great for a decade or more. And I think in a lot of ways, it's been frustrating work for because she keeps finding these abuses, and waving a flag, and some people pay attention and. I think she's going to get her Craig Newmark thing back. It's so she's going to be able to keep doing this. But I and I think you probably has more traction now in terms of, of interest. But I think people generally think this is something that an elite thinks about, and it's people who are talk about, and she talks about it in, in your piece, saying, this is kind of quivalent to the pollution problems in the sixties and seventies, and it's a collective problem. We collectively needed the EPA to step, and that analogy makes sense to me. But then, again, I think about seeing environmental sort of themed movies and public service stuff, and it was pretty straightforward. Right. It was. Hey, don't throw that litter from your car on the side of the highway, it will pollute it and make it bad for everyone. But it was a very direct thing and meant that, if you were driving down the highway, and there was a bunch of garbage that would suck would also make an American Indian cry, right? Or, or there would be, you know, toxic rain and that would affect you. So it wasn't it wasn't abstract. It affected a lot of. But it also had a very specific affect on you or this beautiful vista had been spoiled. That was made you feel bad. Whereas it's hard to sort of think of collectively why losing your privacy is bad. Yeah, I think I it's I want to speak for Julia. You're not asking me to do that. But let me let me do my best to summarize the case that she needed in the podcast, which is that let's not think about sort of discarded, milk, cartons, and things like that. Let's think about, you know, carbon emission that that, you know, driving your car driving your pickup, truck forty miles, you know, burning fossil fuels that nothing bad happens from that car aren't hurting. Anybody directly no one's getting sick from that directly. There's no hurricane that, learn that your car drove, forty miles and then shows to slam into Indonesia or or or or New Orleans, but it's the collective emission of carbon that creates a world where these catastrophic things are more like. To happen. And which she would say is with the emission of every new piece of data. It gives the most nefarious actors in the surveillance economy. More tools to do something that might be catastrophic or might be seen as catastrophic like your hammer gentlemen. That's I think the best argument is Facebook and Google have built, this amazing apparatus, it is designed to sell you things. The reason it is, is, they are people who work, there are so rich, while those companies make so much money is works, really well at persuading, you, of course, other people are going to figure out other things to persuade you to do, and you should think about that. That's precisely it. I think that's exactly what she would say that. It's about persuasion, and she would probably go step further to say it's about manipulation and it's about a more fundamental question, and I'm a sexist central question of do I want to live in a world where my data that I didn't even know that I was omitted? Thing is being used to manipulate me to make decisions. I'm not fully conscious of. Yep. If we move it from shoes to voting on policies people who never gets much scarier. We could leave it there. But I forgot I wanted to ask you about something when we talked about hit makers, a couple of years ago, there's one moment that was embarrassing for both of us where I played migos, which at the time was the number one, I remember that. And neither of us I've been following what amigos. So we picked up on me goes besides that embarrassment. Is there anything else that you would change? Now that you've had a couple years out of beyond the book going back and thinking about how things become popular, how veracity works, I think that, you know, the, the two of the book where I think pretty much right? The thesis of surprises that we love, new ideas reminded of old ideas, whether it's in culture, or in politics, I think the other thesis about the power of distribution networks was was also true would I missed because this lesson became so sparkling clear, under Donald Trump is the idea that in marketplaces of abundance, when you have a lot of competition for your attention since ational, ISM cells. And there are benefits to being purposefully, extreme purposefully, since ational, even if they're almost is no underlying. Content or substantive extremity has its own inherent power in marketplaces of abundance and confusion as who do a AM radio. Right. Yeah. All right. I mean, I remember Henry Blodget when I worked for him, and what was then called, silicon alley insider laying a story about talking to the guys at slate about how to make things more popular in there. They had taken that lesson from, from AM talk radio. Right. Make an extreme take an extreme position. Right. And, and I think that I, I didn't talk a lot about extremity. I didn't talk as much about say like high arousal emotions like outrage and had those two can cut through the maw of distraction. And if I could go back and rewrite some chapters, the book, I would certainly make one entire chapter about what is the psychology of why even when we know that we might be confronted with sensationalist and extreme ideas that are shouting at us that are sort of that, that our nutrition lists and their substance. Why do we still? Pay them so much attention. Sometimes you like to twinkie. Sometimes you just like to eat that episode twinkie. That's it. I forgot I wanted to ask you about the Atlantic where you work. What's the formal name of the Atlantic Atlantic media's something media company. So there are a couple of different ways to save media companies. These days, you can try to put a paywall up there. You can do commerce. You can hope that Laureen Powell jobs buys your company that is what has happened since we last spoke. What is life like, in the Laureen Powell jobs there? There are more writers, that's probably the biggest difference that I've noticed. I don't notice her presence or her ownership at all. I've never been told that I should write about something or shouldn't right about something because the new ownership, but what we do see is that because of her investment. There are so many more writers public about we're gonna, we're gonna hire a ton of people. She has certain interests, but they're not asking you to write about them any downside to being owned by billionaire, because it does seem like. Owned by billionaire can't have strings attached. Yeah, I suppose it can I, I haven't noticed anything. I mean, truly the, the most notable thing about being owned by Lorene is that there's so little to notice in terms of her presence in a good way. And they're quite honestly, I, I, I hate to be boring on a podcast because it's not particularly effective content. But I have the exact same leeway to write about stuff now that it'd before I know that with other companies that have been owned by billionaires. There's sometimes Ben a problem when that billionaire decides to or thinks about running for the highest office today. I have no inside information that Lorraine wants to be president. If she did that might change circumstances for the Atlantic's policy and politics, desks. So you're saying, we'll repel jobs is going to run for president. I like. Jeff pleasent? Listen to this. Thank you, Derrick. Appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thanks to you guys, for listening also. Thanks for our sponsors who let you listen to this podcast for free zero dollars. What a deal we could produced by gold Arthur till Robbie edits this podcast, if you like this episode till someone else about it. Thank you, advance. 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The Substandard on Stan Lee, The Good Place, and Fanta

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The Substandard on Stan Lee, The Good Place, and Fanta

"In the afterlife is a good place, and there's a bad here in the good place. I'm not supposed to be here. Somebody royally forked out. Why? Why can't I say four if geared trying to curse you can't hear full shirt? Descending bench. You know, I'm trying to say ash hole and not asshole, right? Hello and welcome to another edition of the sub- standard. Sponsored by quip electric toothbrush and express VPN. I'm Victor Mattis lung with sunny bunch Jonathan v last I'd like to remind you the sub standard is available on I tunes, Google play and Stitcher. Just like at a podcast and such for sub-standard, you'll easily find us, please. Describe tell your friends and leave a review gentlemen. How are we sunny? Bunch. Welcome back. Welcome. I. Two weeks was. The bag. I should put my son my glasses back on to to. I thought it was two months. You're gonna paternity leave now just to. How's everybody doing? Well, Vic, I know you have had more to edit. These these past few weeks you've had that at like six pieces a day us averaging between somewhere between six and eleven. I'm great. I'm great. I'm just, you know, I'm sleeping solid ten hours. A day. Your lovely wife. She's doing saving. Twelve hours a day bouncing baby boy is healthy. How many pal healthy hungers what people want to know my name, but you can tell them how many pounds really do people on. Everybody wants to know that the first question's always like what's his name? How much did he way? Why do people care about them? I've never asked that. Because it's because it's a tell about what your near term life is going to look because if you say oh five and three quarters pounds. That means on no sleep for you. And I'll if you say oh eight and three quarters pounds. They say, oh, you might get two hours at a time. I thought I always ask 'cause I'm just trying to picture the baby coming out and the signs to the baby. Tell us now you can tell eight pounds for answers. A healthy baby. At this point is sleeping. When when he goes down to sleep, and he like actually gets into the whole sleep thing. He'll go for a solid three and a half four hours. You know what? Which is not terrible. Try just once when your wife isn't around sleeping stomach. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Wants to see if he blows up just those. I've been led to believe by the pediatric association of America. Put your child your infant to sleep on their stomachs expose people actually combust. Yeah. They can't do it. Remember, these tell us to tell the mothers make sure they sleep on their stomach. You don't want them on their backs and then later on sleep on the backs his best you can have him on this Atkins, which back and forth. I'm going to I when when Beth has out of town, I will put him in in the bassinet with also a pillow. Stomach on top of a pillow with a bunch of blankets with. Duston razor blades. Akins? Whatever you remove the bumper. You gotta remember that bumper right? The bumper. My understanding is that all these things are good question. Yeah. Has your daughter attempted to smother him yet? Only would love. Oh for now for now. JV L. How are you? I am. Okay. I have a question for you for me for you. Okay. Shoot. Do you like Fanta? All right. All right. You asked you this earlier, and my answer is a qualified. I like European Fanta that is so interesting because is you know, where Fanta comes from because I was listening to the weekly standard Louis sub-standard expanded universe podcast. And I learned something from our friend Thomas from Denmark, Dr Lassie, doctor Herr, Dr LA z. I don't know what you say air up there. But go ahead. And that is the roots of Fanta. Oh, do you know where Fronta comes from? I thought it was being. No, no Italy. No, it's German. Oh, no. No, no. I knew you liked. Yes, I tell you where Fanta comes from you see at the at the beginning of hostilities between the United States and Z Germans in the early nineteen forties. The German Coca Cola bottling plants were cut off from their supplies from the motherland, so they had to create their own special Nazi soda and the Nazi soda. They created was Fanta. Wow. And vix total coincidence, just loves loves the Nazi. So the American fans. Fanta your specific about this on the tax. Fanta Fanta so much better the American sweet yet the American the European when I said was oh my gosh. Well, you're saying the Uber. It's the Uber Ceuta even her so. Soda. Uber sodas. Yes, I think that's what it is. And but now that I know about it now that I know about it. I guess I won't be drinking Fanta, but I will stick to other companies that have nothing to do with the raw your Bronco motor Porsche. And. You're not getting rid of any of your Hugo Boss, suits, love those French the trench that you come into the opposite. Clicking your heels, crooks coffeemaker. Okay. Good victorino. Well, it's funny. You should ask today, or I guess I should say two days ago was my wedding anniversary forgot this year. I'm so sorry. Okay. Happy anniversary very much four years with the goat. I don't know drugs drugs fourteen years ago, if you've moved a fourteen year hypno- on her yes. But you know, it's sort of like us long extended release so extended release every morning put UD. You just slip it in there. For seven years. Years. Yeah. So creek is the trick is knocking out once every seven years to what was that? Okay. Nothing. Nothing way. Too much to drink last night discomfort fourteen years, really, good upsets jokes jokes jokes. Do you? Remember, by the way, speaking of which I thought this was going to be a funny question because that's really all good for when we had the drug czar in our office. John Walters after he became drug czar. He came to the great John Walter with Tom, Riley and brush. Yes, we we refer him his code name was Croshere. And do you. Remember, do you? Remember walters? Tracer? Yes was tracer and we editorial meeting and talking about the situation of drugs in America, which is different than now. But nevertheless, and people are asking questions, and then finally, you know, I I raised my hand. And then so they said you have a question. I said, yes, I said when are you gonna make retinal legal? Written a legal and remember that it was about a four second delay. But I just said it wasn't illegal and Riley just shook his head and. Because it's an on the record lunch wasn't it. It's these are like it was a different time. It was a different daughters. Even on the recorder. You don't hear it because he he he blushed eastern read any smiled, guess, let's so anyway, yes. Fourteen years ago, and I was thinking about it. And it was funny because you were at the wedding and Paul Ryan was at the wedding, buddy. But nobody cared a tie. He was just like, Wisconsin. Congressman nobody had any idea who nobody had. And he looked like a staffer. Yeah. He looks like a kid and at that point he'd only been a congressman ninety eight. Three term. You've been around for a while. But he was thirty four, you know, and, but the Filipino. What? I remember is the Filipino community was very excited to see Bill Kristol and Fred Barnes couldn't believe there's an actual member of the beltway boys who who isn't crystal in Fred very very excited. Very nice. Stay. I believe Bill said he was just hanging around for the cockfight. He figured that's what he said. That's what he said. Filipinos joke. Your wedding was lovely. Thank you your wedding -absolutely. Thank you was your sunny. I don't want you to get wet j. Yeah. And yours JV L. I was hiding in by the dealer of yours. You were in college. You must've been you were in middle school. And that's correct. You're married longer question for you guys. Because I Ray noticed this by the way, even before Halloween. I started hearing the Christmas music before how October thirty that's messed up. It's messed up, of course. Now, it's full auction house freeze its full on the Hershey. Kisses commercial with the bells hate it. That question is there were commercials. Are you do try to do your Christmas shopping in advance or sort of last minute? JBL? I am in between. My wife has a compulsion about Christmas shopping where she is not finished. Everybody's Christmas shopping the week before thanksgiving. Oh, come on. She's like, what are we gonna do? On don't. That's insane. Misses out on on the black Friday special. Black Friday specials are a scam. Nobody actually gets the black Friday specials. I'll tell you the only the only things I ever get on the black Friday specials are things for myself. Vic- like TV if I see Dunkirk on sale for like five bucks. I'm one hundred percent your television for two dollars. And then there's an Asterix to it. Four of these limited quantities apply. No, no, no. I'm not talking about like, the I'm not saying, I'm not I'm not surprised that your life isn't like lining up at best buy two in the morning to get like the doorbuster deals, but like they're still, you know, they're still sales. There's still time. Lord. Lord, bazo has not abandoned us on black Friday. I think that's changed. Everything you do almost. I'm going to bet you Jay. I'm probably both of you do ninety nine point nine percent of your shopping online. Yup. Who would go into a store with other people like a sucker? Do I actually do less of my gift buying online than I do all of my other shopping online? If I want to buy some jewelry or go to Amazon, oh, you go directly to blue go directly, the cage ruler. I don't go tiny jewel box. No, what's what's the Omer vest on? Grits van fall, the great grandfather of the. Here come here. It's not Indiana Jones. But it's that low it's the nine Alan Quartermaine, Richard chamberlain's, Alan Quartermaine as my grandfather was huddling in the minds of South Africa. In the background all the different sound effects. Very good. What I tried to. I tried to do this evil outside of the DC area of. Come on. Anybody inside the beltway the segments gonna kill their doubled over eight. I told you. The the the advertising campaign of the Mirvish diamond empire has been like the single most important advertising campaign that I've ever been exposed to like when I was doing. I was going to buy an engagement ring. I was like one hundred I'm going I'm going to Marvis. That's I remember. He's precale anymore. Nobody pays retail anymore. Why should you? I'm glad how what can stock. I'm glad you didn't go to Jerry or K one. What I try to is the summer twenty six of the at right after Christmas. I always make all of your shopping, then I make Matt. I make amends within returned. Most of the pack of being still there. I'll take this a little late for. No, I I make mental notes. I put him on my mental. I put him on my phone. I try to remember anytime. Like, oh, hey, I'd like this. And I don't wanna buy it for myself. I put it down or for somebody else. Oh this week great gift and that begins December twenty six right up to the phone Christmas. I looked at my I have two things on the list. Would he I'm not sure what it I haven't checked? But I'm pretty sure there are two things on there for somebody. But I don't know maybe some books. Oh, a t shirt there's t-shirt things for yourself or other other people for the people, but don't you just buy an for myself? I get to later on. I'll get to it to twenty. But several last minute guy a little bit you go to Macy's. Yeah. I was I was. On December Thursday any worse. I don't go to basis, but I was going to mention also like your wife errand wire my sister-in-law. She is a fanatical early Christmas shop on pretty sure she is before December one. But you're talking even before that. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's in July. There's a lot of whole gotta start locking the stuff down. Have. We started our list yet for the kids. Are we have we put everything together we Honey with the beach? Yeah. And she's like she really wants to get ahead of Christmas. Speaking of getting ahead over Christmas over the weekend. The Grinch took the top spot at the box office with sixty six million dollars, and in three places overlord with ten million in sandwiched in between was Baheen rhapsody with thirty million right where it likes to be right next to overlord. Sorry. This is one of these wacky episodes. I haven't seen any of those movies. This is this is the problem with being on paternity leave. Like, I'm I'm very very out of it. Which will we'll get to in a moment. Yes. But a horse. I was gonna say if you had box office. I don't have any box office. But I did see something incredibly aggravating the other day. Somebody described be Jim Carey Grinch movie as a cult classic. And like, I there's literally no you this was this follows this follows the movie Jennifer's body being described as a cult classic. Which Lau again is is a no. But at least I can kind of understand because it was a box office misfire. It was you know, it didn't it didn't it didn't get very good reviews and like people like it now. So it is kind of it's that I can at least understand a world in which that constitutes a cult classic. But the idea that the Jim Carey Grinch movie, which gross like almost three hundred million dollars domestically. I think and has been on TV and constant rotation. And like, I think relatively well. Received is insane. It's insane. The term means nothing. We we've done all episode on this classic. How you can't really have cult classics any more because. Yeah. I feel like we feel like we had somebody who actually pays attention to the things that we say will let let us know. But like, I'm pretty sure we've done this before. But it drives me totally bonkers when people misuse the star. I have meanings. I also I just don't understand the need to do another Grinch movie. I was argument because January was sixty six million dollars as a box off. That's the need. Let's sad. J L thought thoughts, I loathe that? Jim Carey Grinch, Saint like, I can't even tell you. I thought you're I thought your. Your complaint was not about like, hey, it was super popular. I missed it as being nobody actually liked this movie. And I believe that that is true. I don't know that there is anybody who likes that movie. Ironically, I don't even think anybody like does the so bad. It's good thing with it's just bad. Do you like it? Now, I don't like him. Nobody likes that moving. I'll take the cartoon any day. Just give me the original or Maximov Geldof and Matale astronaut. Yeah. And Boris Boris Karloff. Carl. Yes, of course. So it's one of those offbeat weeks where we didn't want to see the Grinch. And I don't think I listen to anyway, and we talked about rhapsody last week. So instead what happened was on Monday. We learned that the great legend Stanley had died at the ripe old age of ninety five the maker of. Spider-man incredible hulk in the task for and so many others, and he meant obviously a lot to us in our listeners. First of all, yes, we talked about a lot, but he was ninety five. So I think we get a pass on that you're the one brings death. So I don't need a sunny over here doesn't need a patch to you. Both wrought wrote, very lovely obituaries. I was going to add you sunny did a premature did well doing obituary headed I wrote. I wrote I wrote the piece for the weekly standard a year ago that Stanley running and the did you write them for the beginning. I didn't see then yours. Yours was extent. I saw I saw pod. Mention your piece nine hundred words and seventy five minutes. Obama very intent. That's what professional writers Anna gory. Tents. You like that? I was going to that's about how I wrote my six hundred words in about forty five minutes. So very probably do Forty-five words and six hundred minutes. I think but what I would say is my. Very with. If I could add US would be like, you know, Stanley was his legend. I love the cameos rest in peace Stanley. Six hours six hours. You you have thoughts. I brought initio Intel. Okay. Good good. I brought in. I tweeted us live. I brought in my favorite. Stanley memorabilia, oh, look at that. Which? Number four, forty nine is the first full appearance of galactic the second appearance of the silver surfer and the first silver surfer and galactic cover, and it is. By Stanley bride. This out and in a very very respectable grade question. Yes. Does the signature impact the CG? See great. How do they handle that? It's technically it is writing on the cover. It has enough to see the yellow the yellow tab up top. Right. So that means it is a certified signature, which means a Representative from the company witnessed the signature, if you just ring in a comic book that Stanley has signed for you on the street, you get instead a green tag, which says this says it signed by somebody named Stanley. But we cannot vouch for that question. So does see do like signings where people send things to SEC C has like Stanley there, for instance. Okay. That's how pay Stanley something like one hundred bucks perp and they. I assume pass that onto you plus plus, plus another another markup. How can you sign? It was an extra one fifty in general for a Stanford a book like this. That is not like amazing Spiderman number one, or you know, tales of suspense nineteen or something like that a normal book like this. The markup is about one hundred fifty above what you would be normally paying, and what does it what does it cost to get CDC grading? What like forty bucks? Well. It's dependent on the value the book. All right. Really? Oh, yeah. The the more valuable your book is the more money. They charge question because this seems like a real conflict of interest. Only inflate the price of the comic books. This is a scam a questionable business. It's ridiculous. This a bit. I this is actually I actually find this to be shocking. And I mean, I like I'm slightly checked out of the the thing is our I would say that the troughs are pretty wide. So it's like anything under five hundred dollars is one price anything five hundred to fifteen hundred. I think is another price. How do they justify how do they justify it? How do they justify saying? We're gonna charge more for. My guess is that the just I never asked them was scintillating stuff. I believe that it is probably that they take much more care in the handling of a two thousand dollar book than they do with a twenty dollar book. But they don't know if it's going to be twenty dollars or two thousand dollars. So they actually know you look at it. Know if this is one point if this was a one point oh fantastic four forty nine. You know, that's like that's like a fifty dollar book. Sure. In the broadest possible context. However, if it is an amazing Spiderman number one you understand roughly what the range is going to be just by visual inspection. You can know roughly what the grade is going to be you can guess to make these things it's not it's not rocket science. Okay. I comic book talk, very offensive. That was one. Isn't this nice though? You know, what I love I love the bass on you should take a picture of this and tweet it out when we do the episode. I love the back yet, by the way, what is the back again. Charles atlas he grit Dina flex method. Mike marvel marvel of corey's men can you build a magnificent body. He man muscle, buddy. And just ten minutes a day. Yes. I love your hands. I I love those ads and sometimes sometimes those ads would have the the wimp on the beach getting kicked out of. Yeah. By by the big guy. And I always I wasn't sure what the message was a message. Is that one day you'll be able to be or become that guy should San? Yeah. There's always the girl. And there's always the girl in the bikini next to the guy. Yes. The sexual embarrass the hint of it is. Common to Charles atlas. I love you won't be getting sand in your face. I love I love that ad. And I also love the monkeys add we should talk about Stanley, please. Okay. Stanley three what actually actual actually Stanley just overrate? Here we go. No. It hasn't happened. Are you as shocked as? So I. Random people on Twitter who said it was the race. Like did slate. Do actually there were definitely some. There were definitely some obits that were like STAN Lee's place in the comic book history is very complicated. Because actually, it was Jack Kirby and Steve Dicko who deserve all the credit and Stanley was an attention hog. And Steve dick co was writing AIn ran comics by the end of his career. And he's the one we should all be in love with. Like, I'm I'm I I have a lot of sympathy for that line of argument because the marvel way the marvel method was like a weird factory line process where Stanley was kind of throwing out ideas, and basic plots and Jack Kirby or Steve Dicko were the ones who are doing all the actual work, the drawing, and even a lot of the actual dialoguing in the script the script writing. So I like I have some sympathy for that. But at the same time Stanley's impact cannot be denied because he is the one who created this whole process, and the fact that he is the fact that he was able to kind of. Capitalize on it. The the most successfully I don't think should be held against him. I would say, I'm not entirely sure, I wanna advance this argument. But I'm going to try it out. Anyway. That there are some people who are simply too big to judge their impact on their arena, and their sphere is so enormous that you simply can't imagine it without them. And so you you wind up a place where you just actually can't say, oh, well, but he should have done this better. Or this part of him was not as just it's it's beyond judgment. And I think Lee is probably like that you could sort of grant all the yes, Kirby should've gotten more credit. Yes. Stan was too much of an attention hog. Yes. Stan was very cute with the credit stuff. I mean, he sort of he both took as much credit as he could get and then declared I was never the one taking people just giving the credit to me and at the same time sort of in totality. You just can't judge. All that stuff gets swept aside because none of this happens without the industry doesn't happen. Without like saying that like, oh will Vince McMahon is bad. And for wrestling because he pushed steroids like there isn't professional wrestling. Without Vince McMahon. You just can't judges you mentioned your. Yeah. Do you have thoughts victory? No, no. Did you ever? Visit not a conservative argument. Realizes I'm saying that's not no my thoughts. I mean, I knew Stanley who he was when I was a kid one of the earliest comic book. I can remember having was a fantastic four. And I found it online than it was number one eighty five because there were gargoyles on it. Hold on that while you talk number one eighty five tastic for from nineteen seventy seven. So when my mother whoever bought that for me, I was four, and I you know, what I remember, I traced the cover. It was so good in my drawn was so good. But I traced it interesting. Trae outs. Okay. But then in the eighties. That's the one. Visit a garbage Z that's thirty cents fantastic or. Not good afford yet nineteen seventy seven, but that's what I remember. And then did you watch JV L? Yeah. You loved it. Casseus storms really busty cover Sinnot was one of the artists. I think anyway, don't Joe Senate. I'm not even kidding look at our sheets for these storm. She was sue storm as power, right? Did you have? Did you watch in the eighties the spider man and his amazing friends show on NBC on Saturday morning? One hundred percent why. No you did. Yes. And draw. We guess okay. So. But there were no other superhero thinking about this or there's Ice, Man. And fires storm firestorm that fire starter because at Stephen get. Yeah. So isn't that I in. There was no other crossover that didn't bring you didn't see incredible hulk was a separate show it came right after and I didn't like that at all. But. All of this was rights management. Right. This was intellectual property fights and bargaining over. Why want this character, but I'm going to pay this much money? I mean, it's it's you mentioned Stanley in your in euro bit JBL in in the role. He played in managing the marvel IP. And like, I think it is worth acknowledging that he had the right idea and was terrible at it kind of. Right. I mean, like the problem the problem with the marvel I p for so long as it was I it was it was formed out to a bunch of different people who had no idea what to do with it. And they put together Shaadi Shaadi Shaadi stuff that there was nothing better. I mean, there was no better way to do. It a time. I don't think there were no distribution channel that could have done any better. I mean, he was inventing a mode of of IP mining and messy. This isn't this is very model because it is you know, I mean like people didn't really get good at this until I think it's fair to say Warner Brothers DC. Because I think Warner Brothers kind of looked at what was at Time Warner Time Warner Time Warner buddy and looked at what they had there. And they're like, okay, we can do things with this. And this is why you have, you know, the Batman logo on literally everything and the Batman and superman movies, you know, kind of how how good those were. I might my one by one real Stanley thought is that he. The thing. He did that is most important. I think in addition to all this was the the the kind of creation of this idea of comic book fans as a community. The bullpen bulletin. I think is his actual real lasting legacy in the the world of superheroes and comic books. I mean, granted I think even more important than any individual character was this idea that you you were giving people a glimpse into the world of the comic books and saying like here, the guys who make it, you know, we're all friends, and we're having a good time, and it's fun. And it's cool to like comics. You know, you can have a community you can have friends. You can we can we can we can be the real winners and the heroes here and it took a while. But I I don't think that you can look at the universe in which we live now and not say yet that was right. This can be thing that brings people together. And the read the Brian Michael Benda's comic obituary, nothing the New York Times. Is great the the the two panels that you that? Yes. Bitch wary nil be as a comic. Yeah. And it was like the three times he met Stanley. And he said the last time he met him. He asked Stanley if he what he thought of the marvel movies and Lee said, you know, I haven't seen them in years because my I can't see anything. He said I'm sitting here across from you at lunch Stanley asked bend to go to lunch, and he asked to meet him at cheesecake factory how greatest where did Stanley one lunch. I wanna go the cheesecake factory closed, and he said, you know, sitting across from me, you look like a pink blob with blue just couldn't say, I'm the last years are not by all reports what you would have hoped for for a guy like Stanley. There's a lot of there was a lot of fighting over money and family, drama and business partner drama elder abuse allegation. Stanley. He deserved better. He he did. I mean, he did he did spend the last twenty years of his life getting into bed with various huckster z- like internet companies trying to do digital comics and understand yet at all the other hand twenty years ago. He was seventy five. Oh my God twenty years ago. He was old as dirt. No, he lifted from other twenty years that I was thinking about this. When he did his cameo in mallrats like I was thinking in cow old with Stanley. He was in the seventies. Yeah. I mean, he must have been he must've been seventy one or seventy two because I was ninety four. So, and he'll very spry funny theme still out and about well, I guess. Did you feel like the pain of like a like an actual emotional pain at him dying? I well, I made me feel Super Bowl like to live in a world where Stanley's dead. I just thought like just wanting. He's been a fixture in my life. Dating to my earliest memories of the world around me. My first concrete memories age five. Yeah. Yeah. But I kind of felt like, you know, because I knew he was ninety five I'm sort of a wear that at any moment. This is going to happen. Obviously a lot of people have those obits ready to go at any moment. They have to update that. But I did tell my kids because my kids knew Stanley, you know, from watching them while they knew he was the creator of these comics, and of course, they'd seen marvel movies, and they can recognize him to the old manage that. He's in every every one of those Marlins, basically almost everyone. Yeah. I I mean, I was sad. I was sat in the way that I you know, rarely sad. When a celebrity gives us dealer. Poem count. I don't think it. No. It didn't. I say they I mean, the ones that hit harder the ones that you don't expect like when Philip Seymour Hoffman died like that. That was like a real good punch because it was like, holy crap. He's like five years older than I am and ten years old. But you -ccomplish as much as he has sure how you know. I mean, this is the thing they remember with Stanley Stanley didn't invent the fantastic four until he was like thirty nine. I think there are some stories like I still have year. I have years right right to go. You guys are too. We're done you're finish the Mozart argument. And then there's the argument some of these other guys who didn't write the question till their forties or fifties. Yes. JV L was Philip Seymour. Hoffman a rotten tomatoes accredited film critic. He no, no, no he wasn't. So there take that yours. You are fine Sunday. Don't don't you change. Thank you. I go do some heroin anyway. But all this talk about marvel, you know, I have to go back and sort of to my old comic books curious if there's anything of I sister had a lot of comic books in up in jersey. They're still in boxes in my parents house. I'll have to go through them and brush up on my marvel. Speaking of which speaking brushing up one of the most important transitioning to yourself is very hard. It's very hard one of the most important things we do for our health everyday is brushing our teeth yet. Most of us don't do it. Properly. Quip is better is a better electric toothbrush. Created by ten tests and designers quip was designed to make brushing your teeth more simple, affordable and even enjoyable quick features sensitive sonic, vibrations gentle on your sensitive gums, why because many people rush too hard and some electric toothbrushes are too abrasive quips built in two minute timer. 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I don't I don't understand why they say that we sound the same whatever. Anyway, the the good place is is a network TV sitcom, and I literally do not think that I have watched a network TV sitcoms since the office went off the air. Yes. I know what you mean post date risk development. Yes. Ten rat parks and rec guy guy, parks parks and rec I guess I did watch. I don't know. They're all Michael Schorr. Very funny. I did not much arrested. I did watch development, but that was done after by like two thousand five. This is something next week. I believe we're going discuss the big bang theory. Yes. Next week. We're gonna talk about next week. We're going to talk about friends. There's this great show on on NBC, Thursday nights. Couple friends feel like there's a sexual tension between bagel and Ross. What's so JV? You're the first person to start watching the good place. The question is how ironic is that? Yes. I know. And was it because I like Kristen Bongo to watch this or what how what made you because it takes a lot of energy to say, I'm gonna watch this this on network TV. Our buddy, Chris, oldest Anderson flagged me down at the office, the weekly standard sitting in our cafeteria for some reason and I walked by. And I was like Kristen Casey was up and we were talking and she literally like that literally. Like, that's actually we had a tape of it sort of. It's a it's a Florida gator thing she recognizes. Anyway. And she said you have to watch the good place. And I said what? And she said she she gave me the elevator pitch say Kay essay. So case gave me the elevator pitch. And the elevator pitch for it. Which is girl wakes up in a nice office. Ted Danson is there and he says to her don't worry everything's fine. You're dead. But you're in the good place and then later in the pilot. She you discover fezzet Ani's member that actually she's not do belonging in the good place. She's here from clerical error and the rest of the series is her trying to like keep hidden and not get kicked out and sent to hell so first of all the premise great. That was not enough to make me watch the show. I said that sounds great. But I can't do that. And she said, it's a sitcom that twenty two minutes each. Okay, a little closer. But I can't commit to. I don't I don't watch television. We do not do television of any sort. And she said only thirteen episodes of season, I said, okay. Well, now, we're getting pretty close. I don't know that I'm ready to close the deal. And then she said Kristen bell is the star. And I was like okay sold, and I went home, and we watched I think the first nine episodes that night. And then you start that took all of that to me to watch this. And I knew I understood everyone loves that. Everyone was talking about nice still going to get the effort to until the reason I started watching because I just had a kid. So I like I have a lot of sitting around time with my wife where we you know, our our daughters at daycare. Bethany or sitting around. We've we've got a new child, and we need something to do for like two three hours at a whack and as JBL Sosa simply put it. I mean, it is a twenty two minute show on Netflix without the advertisements. That is only thirteen episodes per season. So you can get through a whole season about six hours less than that. I mean, it's like it. It is. It is just the perfect perfect seven out is in seven hours. No twenty two times thirteen is. So there are three episodes in an hour roughly. But a little more than that. Anyway. Five hours five hours. Issues, but he has caused and stuff. Oh, totally lost a full season is like watching a very long movie. Yeah. That's a very very long movie. But we got through all we got we are up to date on the series as of, you know, this this this moment, and it took us like ten days fantast rate, and it's very funny. I mean, it is it is very I have I have some thoughts on the show as as a like the way it's structured and stuff. But to if we want to how did you come to? Well, because the two of you were watching it and sunny was really his you'll watch anything. That's not true. And said he was urging me saying that you knew you were watching it. And he says it's really good I should watch. And so we do this as an episode because we had nothing else talked about, and we actually have anything to talk about this episode. So I said, okay, I'll watch it, and I told Kate about and it was better than some of the we gave the Romanoff's. Try one episode is dreadful one episode hour and a half. I just couldn't I it's it's like it's the opposite of the good place. It's like six it's a six episode. I don't know. I only. Six or eight episodes, but one is the length of a feature film. And it's like why why are we doing we saw? And we saw the first season of glow, you know. But just didn't have the energy for the second season. Glow is good. But glow has the problem that a lot of these Netflix shows have which is that they wanna do like, a thirty minute sitcom, and it's I'm sorry. That's just like the sitcom works very well at twenty two minute. That's the number. It works. Very very like the reason they do at twenty minute network. TV has really has really kind of a drilled the calm down to its core and gone gotten out. What makes it good, and you can get away with it? Sometimes like the HBO some of the HBO. Sitcoms are, you know, thirty minutes, but they have to be really really good like Vietnam Silicon Valley because most curb your enthusiasm curb your enthusiasm is thirty minutes and like an half of those episodes are to like ten minutes too long. Yeah. So the the the good place is just very very well. So here's what I here's what I like about it. I liked it. It has taken the lost formula and perfected it by moving it from a drama to a sitcom. I mean, if you watch each episode, it's basically structured like an episode of lost where you have your heroes who were doing whatever we are things in this wacky place punctuated by flashbacks to their life in the before time in the long long ago, and the lessons that they're learning, but it is also wrapped up in this mystery box format like, we don't know. Exactly. What's happening? We don't know where each episode is going and each one ends on a cliffhanger that takes us to the next episode. And the reason that that well, the reason this works or for for the good place in a way that it doesn't quite work for lost in. It doesn't quite work for fringe. And some of these other shows is because it is a sitcom it is less serious. It is inherently like designed to be taken less seriously than a drama. We don't actually we don't actually worry too much about the human drama of what is happening to these people. And we don't expect it to be realistic. I mean, like when the polar bear show up on the tropical island of lost. You're supposed to be like, whoa. What is what is this crazy world? But they're in they're in an actual magical place. So crazy things can happen. And it doesn't really matter. Anyway. So this is my my my big thought on the good place. And the reason why I think it works in a way that a lot of other things. Of this. Righty? Don't is. Because it is taken the mystery puzzle box idea and perfected it by just throwing it into a sitcom, which I don't know why it took so long to figure that out. JBL? Interesting not every watched lost. I really can't comment on that connection to it height. I mean, there are a whole bunch of things to talk about about. I was so I went to read up on this. And you would think that loss lends itself to really really interesting essays lost you the good place. Lynch some very interesting essay about the good place. And it does not I was stunned by how bad most of the stuffy, Emily Nussbaum. The New Yorker writes this thing out the good place. And she can't she keeps herself away from Trump until the second paragraph and then third paragraph gets to Hillary Clinton. I. Yeah. But there's one really good profile the show in the New York Times, which had all sorts of interesting stuff in it. The most interesting of which being that sure thinks of this show as an explicit rejection of Seinfeld, Michael Schorr, who is who was a writer on S Noam and the office and parks and president of the Harvard. Lampoon Zang exactly what you would think the Harvard comedies. It really is. He is talking back to Seinfeld through this. Which is interesting. I mean, so Seinfeld is the sitcom that killed the sitcom, and this is his response to that a lot of ways because it's all learning. I mean, all the characters, and it is a show literally about learning and growing Seinfeld was famously described by its creators as show in which no one ever learns anything right, which it's not just a show about nothing. It is a show in which the characters do not have the big hug at the end where they've all learned their lesson. They it's it's so yes. So the good place is explicitly. Where all the comedy comes from learnings. This is mean, his the genius of it is that is a show about learning. But that never gives you the schmaltz because the comedy comes from the learning, which is a very interesting trick. I think also it also feels like almost a parody of show that a bunch of Harvard dorks would create where you have you have a bunch of people sitting around talking about cont and Plato and Aristotle, and you know, dantely. Yeah. When's the last time any any program on network television could have Deanna? You can just imagine that, you know, fifteen years ago the studio would have come in and said he can't use that word. Nobody knows. What means it does? It has a whole episode about the trolley problem. Right. Yeah. I mean, like literally a whole episode about the trolley. The. I'm sorry. What were you gonna say the problem? I mean, it's thinks I took, you know. At georgetown. We had a minimum requirement of two semesters of philosophy. Ethics. I hated them. Right. And. Fries there and get into the Heidegger. No. The design nine. I think is design new we I'm the kind of person you give these books to read every book, I read I'll be like gorgeous. Or what this is really interesting. I can see that. I see this point of view great. And then the next assignment is to argue against this guy knows more than I do. I agree with them until you read the next book by David human or Jeremy Bentham. You know? Philosophical version of name a song. You don't like Vic. You ask you the question there. I can tell you all the philosophers. I don't like on these Athens. So anyway, I got through that with the app just getting I just had to get through it. And it's funny though, but it comes up and got through with a B average. Not gonna make sunny bleep it because he so tired there was, but but I do remember the push your mother into the subway tracks to save the other. I mean, it's the same. So these classic things. And if anyone who's got the college, they could familiarize themselves with it and other people it's very relatable though, you don't have to have. I mean for me, it's bad memory. But for other people it's interesting, and so as far as sitcoms go, it's it's thought provoking, you know, I mean, it's not just and it is it is it is in another way a rejection of the the kind of format of the sitcom, which is saly. You know? In theory television is supposed to be about people who never change and films are about people who experience change. It's this is kind of shorthand will people use to describe the two the two different medium media media. And and and I think that this the show is trying to kind of position it self as a. Show about changing about the cure these characters who are changing, I don't know that it is been entirely successful at that. Right. Because it is still it is still a show about people who are trying to change, and they're just trying to change and they've been trying to change for three years. And I do wonder what the natural lifespan on a show like this is on hopes that the lights fan is finite. One hundred. I don't wanna look at the show and get seventy episodes were now at like chapter thirty two right? I will be very unhappy. This is not over by chapter forty five a story that we tell remember the office was supposed to be a documentary that went on for how many years like or or like fifty. I mean, I think you could do four seasons right, which is basically four seasons one. They think they're in the good place at the end of fun turns out there in the bad place. Second second season is spoiler. So well, we're I mean, these are all spoiler. Spoiler heavy episodes. Then second season is they know they're in the bad place and Ted Danson changes and realizes that they all belong in the good place. Then third season is there on earth trying to earn their place right in the good place. And then the four season would have to be in the good place. Right. You would that would be the last season. Like what it would? What would it actually mean to be in the good place, and how miserable would they be? And then they have to go to hell question. We know. Thank you. We know for sure there's going to be another season. Yes. We we don't know for sure I don't I don't know. Season three right now. Yes. Okay. It's like the seven episodes right season. Yeah. Don't know what we had no idea. It was interesting. Because when I first started watching the for season, it, it seems to be okay. This is a very sort of basic arc. You know? They don't belong there. How do they stay there? And then they flipped it. And then and then turns out the bad place. But then at the same time, they do the trick the rebooting and that that gives them a whole new season of basically new characters and their whole relationship at nine nine point nine percent of it is gone. I mean, there's some feeling there. I don't know why feel this way about certain people. But then you could just start all over and having you season. And that's the that's the danger is if at the end of every season they want to keep this the goat but the snap their fingers. See I thought they handled that vet with as much dexterity as Christmas. Corey handles it in the day after edge of tomorrow tomorrow not the day from the edge of tomorrow. They never they never went to that. Well, too many times, and they give you just the right amount of rebooting that you weren't bored. Word an idea. I thought that was very nicely. I kind of hope we get the important the bad place because I want more bad, Janet. Janet is the best is fantastic. It reminded Trevor and travel or bad Janna track is what I want. But I mean, there's definitely all these different hints of like heaven can wait, which is obviously a mistake that I'm here. I'm not supposed to be here. Also at the end of heaven can wait memory loss. Wiping your memory groundhog's day edge of tomorrow. And also always remember now, I mean episode season three's always which is the Richard Dreyfuss Steven Spielberg movie based on a guy named Joe which is afterlife, but trying to help other people, and that's what they're happening. That's what's happening right now. So I find it very interesting. But do you find it weird JV L as as a Roman Catholic that there's all this discussion of ethics morality, but no discussion of theology is philosophy. But not Fiala. Gee, I was actually going to ask about this to JBL. I remember thinking. About midway through the first season. Like, this is basically the mushy est millennial league assed idea of what heaven would be like just be a good person without any actual like commitment to some sort of higher power. And I was a little bit surprised at you. As a practicing committed Catholic are are definitely committed. Are are are kind of okay with that kind of like basically karma idea of heaven, the the position of the Gallic, which is one of the things I like about the church is that all of the truths about morality can be known by reason alone feed as out Rossio in the to these things work together. You do not have to believe in God. Little on Christ. You don't have to believe in either of these things to be able to get to what how one is to live life, and is one of the attractions of the church and is a market it's favor that you don't to get to all the stuff that turns out to be right. You don't have to sign on with samba Jesus or whatever. I right. I mean, this is this. I know what you're saying doesn't bug me at all. I just think Chidi is a very Chidi who's one of the characters. It was one of the media gone gone on that guy is so funny where I don't know where is he from comedy background Manley. That guy's jobs are awesome. And he, but he has a huge reading selection for his ethics course. But you would think somewhere in the mix would be out of the letters of Saint Paul or maybe I don't know or orthodoxy or city of God, nothing the this is so you know, what? I mean. I do very funny. They have on this show. They have a consulting philosopher. Her listed in the credits. There is a woman looking for it. Now, I don't see it who is a philosophy. Professor UCLA and her feces adviser is TM flaws. First name forgetting the guy who wrote the things we owe to each our what we owe to each other. And this is this is the book that is there throughout and this is sure shirt opens from. Overrun. That's so so sure himself Scanlon, Tim Scanlon. Thank you. He opens from his priors is have a full awful discussion are that. He opens from a place of his personal belief is along the Scanlon line of the things we owe to each other. Now, the the big big book. But the big thing about at the big I central idea is that there's an assumption that there are things that we owe to each other. The question is do we owe anything to each other? It's what do we owe to each other? And all of that is is what he is trying to untangle his story. Sure story for how he got the idea for you guys know about this. I don't so his wife got into a Fender bender and the guy who either bumped her got bumped by her wanted eight hundred and thirty six dollars for bumper damage and sure thought that this was stupid and unnecessary. And so he set this guy out. Said if you drop your claim all give eight hundred thirty six dollars to hurricane relief in her for Hurricane Katrina. And this, you know, his his Facebook post about this. I think it was Facebook blew up and raise a lot of money, and he felt really good about it until like two months later when he realized I was just grandstanding like this this thing, which I did which wound up actually raising thirty thousand dollars for Hurricane Katrina relief. And which made him look and feel like puffed up moral good guy made him money. He's the Tani actual routes of it. Yeah. Were him trying to like belittle this other guy and feel morally superior, and what he started thinking was so wait a minute. So what's the right answer? Here is what I did actually good or not good. That begins a whole unraveling process of thinking through and leading us to the good place. Trying to do good are try now to help others do good until. That's their only recourse at the moment. What what I really love to say. What I really really love about. The good place is Jason Mendoza played by manager sinto, not enough Filipino actors. And this is a great one. He really represents these also not playing these plain idiot. But he's playing Florida, man. He is playing Florida, man. He's he reminds me of Chrissy from three's company. You know what? I mean, everything is with every now, and then there's the -cational glimmer of there's a very funny scene. I think it's he's to where they go through all the reboots and one of them is were Jason figures out, this is the bad place. And I think Ted this might just like you. But I'm very great. I it's very funny to see him. Yes. Florida, man. People say Jacksonville that there are a lot of people are like that. But I like it. I mean, I really I know people that's very specific Filipino stereotype. And I know a guy who I grew up with not going to say his name, but it's lame as eve sue. Sterry definitely Steve. But he knows we both know who this guy is and his brothers, and they are straight out of that they beat it's like pillow boy and. And of those it's it's chunk your his father's Doug doggy day. Verse remains navy? I can't really awful and. Yeah. And so I see that. And that donkey Doug donkey. And it's spot on it's spot on. And so I I appreciate the authenticity of that particular stereotype in reminded me of pod explaining in don't mess with the so hand that Adam Sandler's character's, very rustic Isreaeli stereotype, sort of an Israeli Guido type that exists that hangs out on beaches. Same exact thing with with Jason don't I think it's great. So he which leads us to the question of the casting, which I am sort of blown away by the on samba. And that's because you have on the one hand Ted Danson who has put together this incredible league career resurgence beginning I think with damages was damn getting of this. Beginning. I would say curb your enthusiasm. States curb your enthusiasm. I believe I could be wrong. And he was in that CBS show. He had a show. Thank you. Thank you. I would not count that as the resurgence sort of working with. He's Becker good in this. Your opinion. Kristen bell. Who is just you know, the best. She is. She is the natural in all this. But then the other the other who is at the three right Sheedy. Yeah. Four Chidi Janet Manny in what's her name Jameel hunting talk to deal. Djamil Jalil are essentially so you have like a comedian, which a dancer, right? And I don't know what the other DJ she is jamilla meals, like a little Lynn DJ or something does is an actual dancer, and he's really good. And they are so good. They are tastic together and other little nuances in each of the reboots like, you know, they have no idea of the past history from season one, which it's just a great ensemble very end. I can't really even imagine the casting process which comes up with those people as a. Group. Like, it's a weird thing. I will say I will watch an like you. I'll watch anything with Kristen bell. I love forgetting Sarah Marshall, so one of my favorite comedies of all time. And and she's great in the good place. I still think she's the best of the lifeguard. Have you seen it? You know what I'm talking about? You don't L? You don't even have to see the whole movie was only about seven good minutes. And you could probably see it somewhere on the internet. I wouldn't do it because I'm afraid of getting mala where there's only away express BP. 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I would say this. I believe the show is in rewards rewatching because it is packed with these directives. There is a scene where you there's like a flash of the scorecard, you know, with and things are like pedal lamb, plus zero point eight nine points. Remember your sister's birthday, plus fifteen point zero two points. Poisoner river, minus four thousand ten point fifty five points on absurd level of the it's some very funny when they when the names of the various stores in the good, those are those are great. Let's say the last episode I saw with Eleanor visiting her mother, and she goes for the PTA the meeting if she's running for president the school is the MGM casino resort high school. But there was a quote, I put it on pause. They have the their slogan is always bet always bet on red. But our AD always bet on. Okay. Well, I think that's all the time. 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Why everyone hates Big Tech with Matt Yglesias of The Weeds

The Vergecast

58:30 min | 1 year ago

Why everyone hates Big Tech with Matt Yglesias of The Weeds

"Everybody's seen it from the verge on this week's interview episode. Actually it's a special crossover said I sat down with Matt Iglesias. One of the hosts of vox is the weeds. This is the crossover people have been asking thing for the weeds in the virtuous together last matinee talk about everything policy related in tech right. Now we talked about section two thirty. We talk about net neutrality talking about antitrust breakup. We talk about the we talk about fax machines to be honest for quite some time and we talk about how we can fix it took us out Mattie Lacey's from wheat. I met you Iglesias. I'm joined today by Neil Patel and this is a it's really it's a vox media podcast network crossover event. It's like the the avengers it's not I would say I get asked on the verge fast for this crossover more than anything 'cause there we go so now is the editor in chief of the verge. He is host of the verge cast which is A. I'm told it's the flagship I'd yeah I firmly believe that you can make things drew just by saying them over and over again and so I've said it over and over again and now now people think it's true okay so speaking of things that people think they can make true by saying them over and over again I have been hearing more and more from Republican members of Congress about something called section two thirty which they think is a big problem with technology companies right so if you've heard right it's like this there's anti conservative bias on the tech platforms according to many conservatives according to any of the data but according to them and and section two thirty has something to do with it yeah so yeah what is that a section of sections thirty s a section of the communications decency act itself poorly named bill but it's the law that allows platform companies to moderate their platforms in the thing about session two thirty in particular that I think this audience will find interesting is it is really easy to read in like if you have just a passing familiarity with how legislation is written it is super easy to read. It's plain on its face. Okay back in and the people who wrote it are still around Ron Wyden musical authors still in Congress so he's very happy to tell you what he meant when he wrote these very easy to read words so the history of it and what it was meant to do was allow platform companies to moderate their platforms to take down things that they didn't want there to promote things they wanted to see promoted. That is the heart that freedom is the heart of how every platform works and this was is back in the back in the ninety s why Communications Decency Act yeah the instigating event behind to thirty is a a case called Stratton oakmont v Prodigy Stratton oakmont remember as the firm from Wolf of Wall Street. Yes Prodigy Zi ran a message board some have prodigy. Were you on prodigy. I was not I was I was always in A._O._l.. Per See I was I was a huge prodigy. Guy And prodigy was the market leader from it and then sears spot prodigy. I mean we're going to be in the weeds. I would say the sears prodigy G._D._p.. Did Not go how anyone thought it would. Maybe an example where the regulators should have stepped in anyhow so prodigy around these message boards their users on the project message board he said Stratton oakmont is a sham. This is a bad company shouldn't do business. It's all fraud all the way up and down. The movie hadn't come out yet so I don't think the other people knew about it. <hes> in Stratton oakmont sued prodigy and said hey you guys you moderate these boards you remove some content that violates your rules. As you promoted the content you are exerting editorial control over this information and thus you're liable for it the same way <hes> a newspaper it'd be so that's like a liable context. I had so like if we add vox write an article that accuses Stratton oakmont ah being fraudulent <hes> we are potentially yet legally vulnerable like they can sue us now as it turns out they actually were fraudulent turns out. This is true so you know the truth is an absolute defense to liable but you had not come out McCaffrey had not yet exposed Stratton Oakmont so this is one of many reasons that we try not to publish inaccurate smears is that you could get sued for it. We're liable for the content or on our on our site for liable if their position was because prodigy is maintaining editorial control over these message boards the company itself which presumably has deeper pockets than like random random message board guy is legally responsible for libel that Occurs Yep and the court agreed with him which was not an entirely expected result. There's a lot of legal wrangling this phrase. He's GonNa come back to haunt us. Maybe bury me personally but there's legal wrangling over a platform versus a publisher and you exert this much control or are you a publisher so the court said Okay you are liable to thirty and this is the important point that everyone I think on the conservative side that is arguing about it right now is intentionally missing. Two thirty was written to overrule that case okay so in the the the the legacy of Stratton oakmont is twofold one great movie Yes he versions of Margot Robbie is a superstar in to <hes> to thirty right to thirty exists to overrule this case and say <hes> in platforms should not be treated as publishers right so if you if you allow how users to publish content on your platform you are not liable for that content at all. It's it's it's just a flat rule so only the person who actually writes thing Yep. Only the person actually makes content so for example we publish Polish vox has a youtube channel. We channel also pretty good. <hes> Youtube Google is not responsible for vox video publishes on his right so if I go up on twitter and I- liable people the people who I have liable consume me but they can't sue twitter right so what you hear the rhetoric is what we have to recognize that I'll hear Republicans say oh no these companies are acting as publishers not as neutral platforms performs yup which is the old law right. The thing that to thirty was written to get rid of okay so the idea there the legal decision. I guess was okay. The platform could be held responsible because they were exerting editorial control so you would need to say no. We're not moderating this at all. Obtain your immunity but in fact so like the new law says it doesn't matter Yup Ryan so we ignore and this is what I mean you you can just go read it. I encourage everyone. Just read it themselves. It is not a complicated thing to do. You want me to read it to you. Yeah let's do it. Here's two thirty C one. No provider or user of an Interactive Computer Service Platform shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider. That's literally all says okay providers. She'll be treated as the publisher. Okay that's it. I don't know how everybody's getting it wrong but that's all it says so that so that's that's actually that's pretty straightforward. But what is the like. What is the politics is going on behind this right like what what is it that Republicans in Congress are trying to accomplish here like what do they want? Total control of all information disseminated on the Internet as far as I can tell but that might be the overread that that's just me I I live in a world where talk about two thirty literally every day but what they're after is there there are only a handful of giant information platforms in the inner. We're rapidly approaching the stage where there might just be like six companies in the world but if you look at twitter Google and facebook they control a massive amount of information Iraq and they all have rules about how they moderate their platforms Republicans think they are being over moderated and that is a rich argument for their base mostly because the hard right base engages in a lot of speech these moderation policies bands so that's a lot of racism. That's a lot of sexism. It's a Lotta trans-phobia it just bigotry in general hate speech and bigotry in general then there's harassment which every platform wants to ban in one way or the other or moderate in some way or the other if you you are a Republican and you've got this base where increasingly it seems every day. There's a new scandal of racism or sexism or bigotry. I might add the president engaged in some overt racism just recently <hes> yeah well these these moderation decisions are are disproportionately impacting you and so you're like you're biased against my speech in this is free speech area. I mean I think this point. This was the the weekend before we recorded this that the president was tweeting about how various democratic members of Congress should go back to their home countries. Most of them are American native born Americans. All are American citizens very racist stuff a little bit of an unusual day for Donald. Donald trump but not that unusual yeah and this is the essential problem right. I mean I think the progressive critique of the platforms on this score is that they don't apply these policies in a consistent way. They'll say well. We're not gonNA have hate speech. WE'RE NOT GONNA racism on our platform but then you can't or at least quote unquote can't kick the president of the United States off twitter or censor his communications and there just isn't a incredibly firm line between what I at least would consider racist speech and what I would consider mainstream Republican Party politicians saying things like Donald Trump is not a fringe figure yeah so I think one thing everyone will agree on just universally is that these companies are not necessarily well run sure right and and even if they were perfectly run the the nature of writing and enforcing arcing speech regulation is such that you're still going to do a bad job like the United States has been trying to develop a free speech policy in our courts for two hundred twenty plus years and we're pretty bad at it but like four guys at facebook aren't GonNa do catch up in twenty years so there's there's that problem right like where does the line cross from being a pretty funny joke to being overtly bigoted. It really depends on we all understand said absolutely depends on context. It depends on who you think you are speaking to whether it's you know a group of your friends or whether suddenly twitter's algorithm grabs you amplifies you to to millions of people like how many little twitter scandals are a throwaway comment that somehow went viral and now someone's crying like we understood happens every day the other problem and I think this is where I come back to. There's only this tiny handful companies. These companies are monopolies in their space right. So you see Republicans saying that you're violating my free speech rights. The president is saying they're violating our free speech rights. They're not the government government right there. There's no by their private companies. If you do whatever they want by statute they are allowed to do whatever they want but there's nowhere to go so if you feel like tweeting important in the president feels like tweeting important and you're constantly being bombarded with moderation decisions for your base it does feel like this this these companies are censoring us and then you might say over moderating. They've overstepped their bounds might as well just be liable for everything. The Way newspaper would be even though the statue doesn't unsettle. We were joking around prodigy versus A._O._l.. But it's too right in in the ninety s you had a bunch of different sort of <hes> nascent Internet <hes> platforms and you would dial into them and it was prodigy was compuserve and there was America Online. I think there were a couple more and I think the vision that people sort of had at that time of how this would evolve is this would continue to be a rich space of competition in which consumers would probably subscribe to one or two of these pick them and so then different companies would have their own moderation policies and you know they just there would be a variation right and part of the basis of competition would be trying to pick approach to moderation that people liked and different people would have different tastes different people would participate in different ways and it would be sort of all good right but instead we live in a world where there's a conversation on twitter that does not have any close close analogues anyplace else. Youtube is where people find videos bright like all people who get get short internet videos like get it from youtube so if you can't publish to Youtube <hes> you're kind of out of luck right. It's like everybody cares a lot about these companies policies we see it as having big systematic social impact and not just being kind of like well. I don't like this. I'M GONNA go elsewhere yeah if you're having twitter user which depression be you're probably more impacted day to day by a random twitter policy decision did by any decision. Your local government makes that is a crazy scenario to be in but it's where we are if if you are a youtube creator in the verge covers youtube creators very closely. They're always he's kind of mad at Youtube Tube is the gateway to their economic freedom and Youtube is not great at handling. It's greater class so you see the enormous amount of power these companies have and you see the sort of lack of market competition so if you're youtuber and you're like I hate youtube. Where are you going to go? Where's the other platform? That's going to provide you a career the way that you to provide you a career so then if youtube says hey you cross this line right. We made this moderation rule in six months ago. We enforce it this way but you know times have changed. We're GONNA enforce it. Slightly tighter. Were democratizing you now. We're leading your channel all the sudden. You're like wait a minute. That was my livelihood. That was my business. You just took it away from me. 'CAUSE 'cause you decided to and there's there's not again these companies not. There's not a lot of transparency the parents in that process. There's not an appeals decision. If the state did that kind of thing we're looking at a decade worth lawsuits and Youtube does it you're just done. There's nowhere to go and then conversely if you think about you know how google sort of ranks different articles Michael isn't it searches or how things propagate on facebook right. Both of you were writers S._O.. I want my articles to perform well on these platforms but officers somebody interested in public affairs right like there can be a big news event ent- you know <hes> there's a Supreme Court justice being nominated and lots of different people cover it and which of those articles is widely disseminated in which aren't you know plausibly has a big impact not just on the economics of businesses that depend on these platforms but on like society as a whole right. The distribution of articles that are favorable or unfavorable to your point of view is something that you know people care passionately about with with good reason right. This is a big social implication to what what happens here and it's it's really Josh Holly Right of Missouri. Has I think been the sort of bleeding republican guy on this and his take as far as I understand it is is it the big technology companies are suppressing conservative speech similar to a sort of classic Republican criticism of Media Bias except now with maybe more more sort of legal and regulatory teeth. He can bring to bear yeah so holly. Kelly was the attorney general misery one would assume he can read a statute and divine what it means <hes> but he he's insistent that the platform publisher dynamic exists for two thirty. He's called two-thirty a gift to big companies that they they get to bill big advertising businesses based on user content and they're not users. I think that framing is a little wrong. I mean it is a little bit of a gift. Don't get main. Don't don't give me a mistaken. It is the thing that enables our business. You cannot run a user generated content platform if you if you are liable for everything you users pest these businesses would not exist so in that sense yes it is the enabling policy elsie for Google facebook and twitter and so were his proposal. I think goes completely off the rails. especially if you're a conservative is his ideas. If you are a company of a certain size you're big enough you will then have to submit to the Federal Trade Commission every two years proof that you're moderating an unbiased way. The Federal Trade Commission Wada vote on a majority line <hes>. I think it's <hes> it's there's five commissioners. He wants four of them. So you WanNa you WANNA peel one over okay from the other side to say that you're you're unbiased and then you get to thirty protection but if you don't prove that you're unbiased the protection goes away so what would unbiased mean seen in that context. That's what sort of this is one of these things. I mean you know if you know politics. Nobody's going to stand up there and be like no bias is good right but by definition like it's good to be unbiased but also what Brian unclear undefined find some work after the Federal Trade Commission is not staffed to write a bunch of speech regulations and handle a bunch of complaints so the next the next part of his bill is if any user has a complaint they can take it to the say it's bias ass rearing its ugly. Head anti-seizure investigate in the penalty could be pulling protection elaine holding them liable of immoderation decision happens under the holly proposal <hes> that's wrong. The company gets gotTa Jail Free Card if they they name the employees who took the biased moderation decision immediately fire them so that raises the stakes. It's moderators just like ever higher because they will be publicly shamed and then fired. We've covered a lot of how moderation in works at the Verge <hes> Casey Newton has been writing a lot about <hes> facebook moderators and the conditions they work in. He's terrific fifteen dollars an hour they get nine minute wellness breaks as they washed us like flood of horrifying video gets uploaded to facebook to hold them personally responsible on threat of the entire business collapsing unless they are named in fired isn't insane policy outcome but that's part of hollies bill and the whole goal here is I think a laudable one I think he he is not wrong in saying these companies are not transparent. We're going to hold them to a massive transparency standard so we understand the rules. We understand how they're enforcing them. There's a check on those rules that they're unbiased however you wanted to find that and. If they make mistakes they have to take these actions or face consequences. That all seems right so this is about four more moderation though like I look at this video and I say like no you can't have this on facebook. It's not about the like out because there's an algorithm arrhythmic waiting or of some kind I mean I I don't understand what it is <hes> but clearly some stuff goes like hiring. Your search results of this stuff goes lower. Some stuff is judged as more credible at at not a bit but that's a different subject. It's all it's all part of the same <hes> Litany of conservative complaints so trump just had the social media summit. If you read the remarks Godspeed but in the middle of videos I used to tweet and the numb and watch the numbers like a rock and he just rattled off a list of numbers and he's like but now I see these numbers and he rattled loss of slightly smaller numbers. There's some complaint they're that they're being shadow band. I think is a favorite term that they published a nobody can see them or that. They're being a diminished the rankings none of that has to do with moderation none of that has to free speech but it's all part of the same sort of litany of complaints and so if you make it more transparent you make the algorithms more transparent the argument argument is okay well. You'll be forced to come clean about your your horrible liberal biopsies and the fact that urologist in big Democrats pocket the notoriously well organized unified goal so the Democrats we'll come together none of that is true and if you just want to really state that clearly if you look at the stats if you go to crowd tangle which is a service of facebook if you look at who the most important politician on twitter is it is not is though conservatives natives are being suppressed anywhere conservative speeches being suppressing way Fox News is routinely the most shared thing on on facebook. <hes> Breitbart is still routinely cited across the conservative universe on these on the social platforms you just see over and over again an evidence that conservative speech actually amplified by these platforms not suppressed right so the read of truth and all this is that these companies are incredibly powerful right and they're not facing the kind of market competition that we might have you don't maybe originally thought that like online bulletin boards where we're going to face and that seems like beyond this like Esoteric of this Communications Decency Act rule. Nobody understands has heard of the this is what we traditionally had antitrust policy for right yeah yeah so antitrust I think is the next big fear of regulation and I think it is just it's extremely related to sort of the holly proposal so if you look at Josh always proposal he wants to make the F._T._C. in charge of content moderation for big platforms terms. He wants there to be a compliance regime regular votes by unelected official the whole thing that is a lot of regulation. It is not what you would expect from a conservative then you have Elizabeth Warren saying well. These are just too hard to regulate this is break them up. Let's make them smaller and then they'll compete with each other and <hes> you know maybe Instagram we'd better at privacy than facebook or you know <hes> what's apple be better at messaging than instagram instead of having these sort of world-scale companies that even like a five billion dollar. F._T._c. fine seems like a drop in the bucket for them so you see those two arguments like either you can have a bigger government or you can have smaller companies and the thing the antitrust argument is what we have smaller companies right. I mean this is like for big fans of American economic history. This was like disagreement between Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson a hundred plus years ago was like do we need to have an intensive. Do we need to accept that. The modern economy just requires these kind of big sprawling trusts regulate them intensively or do we say no we can't trust the government to basically tell companies how to run their businesses but we need to do is break the big companies up and then let them slash force. I them compete with each other and so Warren has a proposal to do this that has some I guess you she brought some specificity to this conversation which had been percolating around in a in a slightly vague way. Although it's not totally obvious to me how it would how it would address these these speech concerns right because her big thing is a kind of like vertical separation of that the elements of technical our yeah so I interviewed her at South by South West West <hes> right after she rolled out this proposal her proposal has effectively like one big rule. That's important and then let's break facebook right and they're not necessarily related <hes> they're all they're all part and parcel of saint thing so the big rule is your company over a certain size and you operate a marketplace. You cannot put your products that marketplace right so if you're Amazon you cannot preferentially treat Amazon Products Amazon store if you're apple I I think it's very interesting that in all of her messing about this proposal related to this rule. She doesn't talk about apple when I sat down with her. I said you know there's one company name before it even finished the questions like apple they're in and I think that has to have popular apple his among the general population how how medium unpopular with like say it's developers income music spotify but so apple runs the APP store apple routinely gives preference to its own products in the APP store or routinely says her kinds of things. You can't make that we're going to preserve ourselves APP store Warren went beyond actually saying neutrality right so her proposal is that you actually wouldn't be allowed to to participate at all in that marketplace so if you're talking about so Amazon right bake stuff like Amazon essential stuff they have these fake clothing brands all these other things and also obviously like it's a big store right. Yes so this would essentially say Amazon can't make I party stuff at all right. which is I mean? The history of house brands is very hot like very long right like it that that's a weird situation to be in <hes> Amazon store and it's sort of like kindle business would have to get split up now. That is a big remedy. It is again like the if you just think about the kindle business if you can't sell kindle hardware in the store because Amazon owns both but the kindle is tightly integrated with a bookstore right right. That's what you're really buying is accesses books. That's the kindle is so cheap like. Are you going to break that up to like how does that. How does the mechanic of that work is is really hard for the modern digital economy? The apple has a great argument with the APP store. which is we need to tightly control the store because it keeps our user safe and keep militia software out of the store just last week? <hes> we use a video conferencing APP at at Vox media called Zoom Zoom had this like crazy security hole where they were installing a web server on Max that he senate the right request. It would just light up your camera. which is the disaster scenario? You can't do that on my phone but you just can't be done so that's apples like winning. Argument is like we tightly controlled this platform because people want us to because they don't want their cameras to turn on midnight right I mean when when I talked at apple executives I mean this is what they were like really really vehement on that yeah we we sell the phones right and we want people to like the phones and to that end we want to make sure they're not accidentally exposing themselves to different kinds of things on the store and that's why we need to own the store but at the same time she doesn't name apple because apple's not not a strong argument I think for her particular point of view on this but I think you have heard a lot of complaints that Google right would sort of start as okay. This is a great tool to search the Internet <hes> but then starts moving into kind of like squeezing out is own information providers so now <hes> you're getting you know you go to Google Search and what you get is Google maps and you get Google views of things. The Europeans have find them a bunch of times for this idea that they are like loading the dice against other technology companies which I guess you would think could like squelch innovation deprived people choices stuff like that the key example there's yelp yelp and Google hate each other or at least yell page Google and Google is indifferent which is worse so you know Google had had some listings is for restaurant reviews and things like that they were scraping yelps. Data yelp said don't do that like just point to our pages after a while Google just started promoting its own listings however it got them over yelp listings business went down a little bit. That's that's not a great outcome. It's not great for say okay. We can see the most popular categories of searches we can see. The providers are search engine is sending people to we can just integrate whatever information that is and point them to our own product right and now we're going to destroy this business now in one sense if there were a million competitor's for search engines he would say who cares right like okay Google's competing. They're differentiating. There's one and so like that one company is in charge of like this massive set of interlinked economic engines and that's not great and so you shouldn't have the the restaurant reviews industry should not really be Google search optimization industry well but yet that's where we've arrived. I mean I'm sure you've heard the phrase that competition is is just a click away. Yeah and I mean that is Google's argument to Europe. I think Google employees like one hundred lawyers who just wander the streets of European capital saint competitions is. Put a click away but like one of Russell's. Everything is French fries and Google lawyers. It's true it's very strange. It's really changed the tenor of the European Community. Is it like one last time he used being like. Is it really a click away. We have in our in our twelfth floor kitchen here in the D._C.. Office we have a couple of the old screw gold mugs yet that Mark Penn made when when he was working for being yeah so yeah if if Microsoft and so the the underlying technical argument by the way is is not so hard to understand. It's Google has such a commanding store of data about user intent that it is impossible to build a new competitor better. You cannot build a better google at this moment because Google will do a better job searching because that store of data is actually the valuable asset right so the the search algorithm is not the asset that the massive amount of data that they they have collected did over the years about user intent user wants is is the asset and no you can't buy that asset you can only collect it every time so so google continually optimize its results based on its backward analysis of user's behavior of you're right because they they see what you click on to try to understand like what it is. People are really searching for with particular phrases and so the argument is basically the more people google the better google is if you can't compete with that right it has such a big I move zander's and of course like they do a good job right like the last smart people work at Google. They're not fools or anything but that there's no way to beat them because you would be switching off to an inferior product unless everybody switched off and so this is like network effects is the I guess the economic c word not only everyone switch off it. Everyone switched off in somehow switched off for ten years right right or whatever it is or you could move your data and you can't can't so. Are you GonNa do that so I think that network effect that is the underlying economic concept that we haven't reckon with in society that these are all absolute winner. Take all markets circuits. There are not a lot of other industries like big American industries that have been winner. Take all markets like this unless you go back to railroad railroads and oil companies and so <hes> Ben Thompson is really smart analysts here. It's blogs trickery trickery. He has a very smart riff on this called aggregation theory which I'm sure you're familiar with yeah. I never understand what he calls it that instead of network effects which was the official name from my economics textbook and fanatic so the network effect. I'm sure everybody Louise Smart listeners now. We're GONNA factors A._D.. Of the product it's more valuable the more people that use it right so you buy one fax machine. This is a classic example. My one fax machine is useless. You know one other person fax machine. It's moderately more useful swale. A million people were fax machines. Fax Machine is incredibly valuable and then just like that the fax machine goes away and that's the that's the classic example the no well. I mean you know it's actually interesting. Let's talk about fax machines looking back back the crazy thing about fax machines that they were interoperable read so the more people who own fax machines the more valuable the idea of owning quote unquote a fax machine became yet but nobody actually monopolized the market by saying no right like this one particular company sells the something machine and you need another one from that brand to interconnect with right. If you had done that you could have this powerful fax machine network logging Lago type thing but instead it was like we were all just facts into each other like like it was well. It's like email right like game like nobody makes money off email yeah so if you look at fax machines I mean it really podcast. It's called the weeds. I feel very comfortable going here. <hes> you look at fax machines. It's exactly the same as any other standard with an extension on top of it so you have to fax machines from Panasonic they might transmit and receive a little bit faster than the standard. You might get color. Capabilities Faster be always fell back to total interoperability that is just the same right now is air pods right apple makes air pods. They're very popular their Bluetooth headphones that can work with anything but if you happen to have an apple phone they work a little bit better than the next Bluetooth headphones. If you happen to have an Apple Watch <hes> now you can sort of like easily connect to everything if you have an apple laptop it gets even better and you keep going and going and going and then by the time you want to buy a new car. You're like Shit. I have to buy a new watch headphones phone laptop and that like. I don't know if that's a good outcome right like you take fungibility out of the market anyway. The reason Ben Calls it. Aggregation theory is it's a riff on that network effects such that he sang the power in the market is no longer demand. It's aggregating supply so like most things aggregate demand right. Everybody wants to buy <hes>. The new Ford Ford has a lot of power in the market because they control the man he saying it google controls supply right so if you WANNA get to a consumer tool has all the consumers so now we're we're operated where we've inverted the market. We've aggregated supply that is it's a powerful theory. He's written about it a lot. I think that's one excellent framework for understanding this modern moment like why can't there be a competitor Google. We'll google already has all the people so you're not adding a new Protestant mark. You're trying to get all the suppliers all the people who are already optimizing advising their businesses to reach people through Google. You gotta move them. That's real. That's a really hard thing. Ask then. There's this like just very obvious okay well. What if we do have a bunch of winner? Take all companies. What if we are in this moment moment where there's only ever going to be an uber or lift and no third competitor? There's only going to be a google and I'm paying I guess and the in being doesn't count <hes> what if there are only ever going to be two operating systems like what are the challenges come from and how do they win win. I've yet to see an answer to that question it. Doesn't we cover a lot of consumer products. There are not a lot of new consumer products in the market that are not extensions of an existing ecosystem so consumers are just getting locked in more and more into the products products in our in take a quick bad. We'll be right back listener. 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That's also so responsible for the chairs and Courtney Kardashians dining room and biosphere to an early nineties experiment that sought to create a completely enclosed self sustaining ecosystem and yeah some of them worked out better than others but they're all fascinating. Listen and subscribe to Nice try today on Apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP from curbed and the VOX media podcast network in ten years ago right. It felt like I dunno technology felt to me like this really wide open type of space whereas more recently when it's like I forget what it was right. It's like the Ring Doorbell rebel company got bought by one of these conglomerate Amazon by Amazon and Nascar Cup Google and that feels like the inevitable outcome right like that's what success would have to be for technology products. These days is people like it and and they're like okay. This is a good team behind this. They're good at designing things and so therefore some kind of conglomerate is going to buy them up because otherwise it wouldn't it wouldn't work right like everything is built around extensions of these platforms because you want your stuff to work with the other Steffi's. Yes we are recording <hes> right now. On the first day of Amazon Prime Day prime days now two days and then you can buy on sale from Amazon today like an echo device like twenty two dollars. It's it's like no. It's nothing like the amazons like marginal cost of Echo Devices as pride twenty bucks right. They're not making any money in this thing but they get one in your house and then it is way more likely the the next smart company Buys GonNa work with that Alexa device right right so now you're like which light bulbs should I use. I gotTA get some excellence which door locks. I guess they make those two which video cameras only put at the now. You're just like fully into the Amazon ecosystem because you bought one twenty two dollars speaker. And that's GonNa Affect Your purchases on an infinite timeline is remarkable. I'm not saying that needs to like Google's in good competition with them. Apple has a competitor in that ecosystem. I'm not saying like you know. The government mentioned Senate's lawyers right away. I'm saying that is that is not what happened when you bought a Ford in nineteen seventy five right. You're not like okay. Every purchase I buy related to transportation for the next ten years like has to be approved by Ford that was not the case I think removing that fungibility for market has led to some extremely distorted effects in power of these companies to not only drive what you buy like drive your purchase decisions but effect what you see is where you get the Republicans and Conservatives. We need to regulate these companies way and so that's what's interesting to me is that there seems like not just two different diagnoses right. It's not just like Wilson and Roosevelt Trust busting or regulation but there's an interesting interesting like disconnect right where so it's like Warren's antitrust idea would do a lot to this kind of like interconnectedness and how do the different levels of vertical integration relate to each other but I think not address it all at least it sounds to me this kind of basic concern that it's like look people go to Google and they want to search for like news articles about something right they want you know trump's tweets right and what people see and like how how the Democratic dialogue moves forward is heavily shaped by which articles Google chooses to make available to people <hes> and that's like just a lot of a lot of power to concentrate in a kind of blackbox Algorithm <hes> some guys in mountain view or wherever and even even the warrants proposal seems like so dramatic in some ways. It doesn't really address that core source of power. It seems to me it. Doesn't I think that's the key he criticism of the proposal. If what you're trying to solve for is facebook should do a better job at privacy google should be more transparent and how it search results are put forth Youtube show a better harassment Halsey. There's nothing specific connecting adding breakup to those policy outcomes right. There's just a belief in the market that if facebook screws up people will switch to an independent instagram or the independent Instagram will be remained beloved while facebook book series of scandals will lead. It's user base to decline or an independent what's APP will not put advertising in what's APP which is facing his talked about doing or not read your messages or whatever consequently with what's up they'll go back charging two dollars fee to use what's APP and it will remain private but so just to clarify this right so this is the other side of warrant a one is like the separation of marketplace owners for marketplace participation and the other is like very specifically facebook now owns instagram and also owns what's up and I think a lot of people I think Ben Thompson we referred to before read has like I think called letting that facebook instagram merger through like the biggest antitrust policy mistake generation. No one thinks it was a good except for Mark Zuckerberg even the founders of Instagram who quit. We're like we got Richmond. Like are we happy with. This is what's so you know sending to me right. I remember when facebook bought instagram. I was more of a business columnist for slate at that time and people were incredulous about the amount of money that the instagram guys has made whereas in retrospect it looks like it was like a joke right that deal of the century they got a billion dollars. How it's nothing I google about youtube for far less than that deal of the century right so you know the the theory here? Is that you you could have if youtube was spun off. If instagram was spun off <hes> what's APP was spun off then you would have more sort of competition between these companies even though they don't quite do the same thing yeah what's the first thing hang youtube would youtube right now is the second largest search engine on the Internet right. The first one is Google. You spin off Youtube. What's the first thing they do? They expand the nature of their search engine. What's the first thing Google does they build a video business right right so now out now? They're directly in competition with each other. You're an unhappy youtuber. <hes> while there's big company they're trying to rebuild you to maybe go there. <hes> you spin off what's APP from facebook. What's the first thing they do? They build a photo sharing service right. What's the first thing facebook does it it? It invested messenger instead of trying to shuffle people around. It's it's three platforms so the optimistic story about that would be that you would then have a stable basis of competition right that instagram would add features beyond photo sharing to it's like basic social graph while facebook would also try to do photo sharing and then you would have these two different companies and youtube would have non video stuff in it and Google will build a second video platform and of course instagram it would be natural to expand into video and so you might have like five or six different companies kind of all in but then the experience of snapchat like makes me sort of dubious about this like facebook did not buy up snapchat and eliminate a potential competitor there instead they just sort of they copied the basic some of snapshots major basic functions and then took advantage of the fact that they both like employ a lot of smart engineers and they already had this huge user base and they just Kinda just kinda crushed yeah essentially famously rebuffed facebook so first of all the competition point it really Lee relies on the notion that the people in the market are going to choose privacy which is not true like people often pick convenience over privacy. It happens every day like they use google. They continued use facebook as book. They're not switch away like the absence of competitors is but one factor but then we are all installing microphones and cameras in her house like left and right so like the idea that the market will reward this privacy signal. It's a little bit on faith but it's there the second part snapchat and that is really an advertising dilemma which is okay snapchat exists. It's ad targeting is not as good as <hes> as facebook or youtube. It's audience isn't as big and its audience is very young so they don't have the money yet. They will have the money Sunday right so you gotta they gotTa hold on the like all these teenagers they gotta grow up with snapchat. They gotta get some disposable income and then then you can like sell them a car. That's a long curve outside is successful. They're just not successful on the scale of facebook and I think that is another distortion in the market right where apple spending fifteen billion dollars an episode for the T._v.. Show it's making Rachael man is blind. It's very confusing. They could make a hundred episodes of that show. If fifteen million dollars a piece they wouldn't take a percentage off their cash reserve right like that's crazy. That's an incredible scale and it distorts everything that it makes everything else feel small when if you just took that stuff off the y axis you would see there's actually this incredible variability way and if you believe in aggregation if you believe in the power of network effects then I think you're gonNA. You're gonNA think that these mergers that happened in the facebook. Universe are sort of incidental right that the marketplace just tens toward a winner-take-all dynamic and the you are going to have because facebook doc knows so much about so many people already it is going to be an optimal targeting platform and you sort of can't beat that right just like like Microsoft was not like a like a helpless little guy when it tried to get into web search but it just doesn't work anyway right and that's a that's a tougher question right like if the basic economics of the situation tend toward monopolization. I like they do with electrical utilities right. I think we we've you just given up on the idea like there's not going to be seven different companies running power lines down your street connecting to every single person's house and then you pick which utility you're gonNA use right like it's it's a called a natural monopoly and either they are owned by the government or they're regulated by Public Utility Commissions and people complain about it a lot <hes> but that just kind of is what it is and you need to learn to accept it. Yeah we had that same cer- Natural Ropley conversation broadband lines right. Should they be regulated the same as phone lines under title to <hes>. Should we impose net neutrality it. Yes one good argument. That's argument. I make a lot do you argument for no is we'll look the physical infrastructure here doesn't matter eventually wireless will overtake it anyway so on and so forth everything is fine right and then you look at the Internet access companies and they are. They're not they're not rolling out like tons of new access. Products are busy buying content right so like A._T.. And T. owns game of thrones now is a very strange outcome. Oh come in this world with that kind of loops back to to where we started right that. If you go back just a few years ago right there was a big conversation about network neutrality and it was like liberals well really wanted this and conservatives were saying. saying this was a bad idea and it feels like we're now having the same argument about digital platforms except somehow the the the sides have gotten reversed it is deeply confusing right so the the conservative position on the lines in the so think about the classic way to think about networks is in layers it's like a weeds the engineering thing but the physical layer you've got your network layer your application layer on an uncle's so that conservative position g pies the republican chairman of the s._e._c. says the the physical and network layer should be totally unregulated we can trust the i._s._p.'s don't worry a._t. and verizon they're never going to block or throttle throttle or prefer their own services and send a._t. is not going to send you time warner content faster than it sends you disney content that seems fanciful but okay but trust them they're good even though there's not a lot of competition here and you're one layer up into the application layer we're google and facebook live and you have conservative saying they're biased against us we must impose <hes> fairness regime on them to make sure they're transparent the f._t._c. esa monitor them every two years there's you know like wait a minute like if you think monopoly at this layer is bad most americans have one or two access layer choices why why don't you think it's bad there and i've never there's not one one place where even pie in the charity s._e._c. is like don't worry about the broadband providers the real problem is google and it's like no they're all product up and down the stack that's a problem but if i if i could some in egypt pie here i think what he would i'll tell you is that we have plenty of experience with the network infrastructure and they are not in fact like favoring liberal or conservative news sources whereas the reason we have these complaints about youtube is that like they they really are google has demonetized certain people shows right facebook does kick certain content off right and if comcast did that right there would be like a huge human cry if comcast made certain websites websites suddenly inaccessible so there would be hasn't happened yet so charlie went away about a year ago it's amazing we started to thirty and got net neutrality i promise the audience it's all it's all the same it's sort of confusing fight comcast when they bought n._b._c. by the way comcast is an investor in our company like we have to disclose yeah this goes under russia's every time they don't like me very much but i'm disclosing so comcast when they bought n._b._c. they made a deal with the s._e._c. in the s._e._c. is you cannot favour n._b._c.'s content on your services which they would have done they absolutely would have made it so that a comcast subscriber could have streamed m._s._n._b._c. and that would be free from the data cap but fox news would have hit the data cap right that's a that's putting a toll on fox news well a._t. and t. just bought time warner time warner on c._n._n. you don't think every a._t. and t. phone is gonna come with c._n._n. app that doesn't hit your mobile data cap like within minutes it's it's obviously going to happen there are definitely gonna do with h._b._o. so now you're now you have an immediate sort of information bundling with access and that is the net neutrality problem it c._n._n. will be free on eighteen devices and fox news will not aw you've arrived at doesn't sound so bad but like that's isn't that the nightmare isn't that the thing that they're like liberals were saying with trolley they will favor some viewpoints over others and then they bought a viewpoint and they're gonna favorite the only reason it hasn't happened yet is that there is a lawsuit filed against the c. c. <hes> for repealing that neutrality rules and it's still pending before the d._c. circuit and everyone's waiting for that to to hit and no one knows in the second you know they ruled against you'll you'll begin to see this bundling happen okay so but then this seems to be like shoes on both feet right that like i hear liberal saying well we want more aggressive <unk> sort of moderation i think a lot of times from these technology platform companies it's like why aren't you getting rid of the harassers twitter you know why aren't you getting disinformation off facebook things like that but these are the exact same people who were warning about you know violations of net neutrality and so it feels in my bones right the difference is is that when people are thinking about the physical infrastructure companies being non neutral they were assuming <hes> business strategy non neutrality neutrality right so it's like we're going to give preferential access to h._b._o. and c._n._n. because that is the content that we own right or comcast is gonna give preferential access to vox media websites because we're an investor in vox media full disclosure that that'd be great for us transparency that'd be awesome right pick us and not all u._s._a. invest in buzzfeed better but whereas what's being envisioned with facebook is like not that facebook will or should favour like properties at facebook owns but that facebook should do essentially editorial judgment right and like should promote like good reliable new sources not bad ones but theoretically the broadband companies could do the same right like i'm on t. mobile t. mobile could maintain like a blacklist of like unreliable disinformation websites and block them from me or something absolutely and i don't know like i both feel uncomfortable with that idea of like a broadband infrastructure company censoring websites but also kind of feel like it's bad that facebook promotes a lot of disinformation so i guess i'm the hypocrite i agree with you it is i have a great the question sorry well i'm my work is done here now the question is where where does the regulation law where where's the a check on the power right it's the same question for net neutrality it's the same question for <hes> platform moderation decisions same question for should we break up amazon who's gonna check that at increasing power these companies with net neutrality the answer generally is will the government should regulate these companies right there are natural monopolies you're not going to lay more fiber on the ground even if you had fifteen companies digging up city to lay fiber that's probably a bad outcome for variety of reasons there's probably i know you're a proponent of a zoning conversations there's probably 's it local zoning debate to be had about that like that's inefficient we kind of recognize it's inefficient let's just let's lay one set of fiber regulated heavily and make sure that has access to all you get to the platform former gets it's way harder i think it's just stickier right who is going to regulate the platforms platforms themselves are they competitive enough we could break them up maybe they'll be more competitive better moderating should we impose some sort of privacy law g._d._p. are here to say hey this is how privacy should work there's a massive fines associated with it because you are so big should we just admit that the network effect such aggregation theory is created a new kind of economy in total and just like menial at patel right rules for it because i come into a fresh is a good idea where's a check on this power and i think the answer is these companies are now so big and so powerful that everybody feels it and i think on the conservative side what they feel is their their base regularly engages in toxic speech and so they complain about it so they can constantly throw them this bone and that's just reality like there's a lot of racism on the heart right there's a lot of sexism on all right there's a lot of 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CNN.com editor in chief Meredith Artley on digital media and earning the public's trust

"Hi, I'm Karen Swisher editor at large of Recode. You may know me as someone who likes a little better just because Donald Trump hates it. But in my spare time, I talked tech. And you're listening to Rico decode from the box media podcast network today. In the red chair is Meredith Arlene the editor in chief of CNN dot com and the senior vice president of CNN digital worldwide. That's a big title Meredith previously. She worked at the New York Times, the International Herald Tribune and the Los Angeles Times Merida's, welcome to Rico decode, thanks for having me. I'm sorry. I was late today because I lost my phone of all things, and I feel terrible had married eating. It's tragic. It's tragic moment for care Swisher. I can tell you that since I'm married to my phone the best relationship I've ever had in any case. I'm here that we want to hear because I really interested in what's going on CNN and a lot of different large websites because a lot of I wanna go sort of your back. You wrote me a really fantastic Email about about where news is going digital? And obviously so much news now is is digital period. The whole. Whole business is digital. So I wanted to talk a little bit about your background. How you got to gotten people? Don't know this CNN is the largest purveyor of news on the planet. Is that correct? That's right. How how does that measure explain how that's measure? I've seen the charts in different things. Well, there's a lot of ways to measure it. There's apples and screwdrivers ranks senior apple you track. That's right. We didn't appetizers. Yeah. That was a product placement. Yeah. I guess. Yeah. Listen, we get two hundred million unique users a month just across digital right? Right. Not in the TV business. That's right. This not in the TV business, and you know, we're addicted to like data audiences, and what do we know like it's the data's a proxy for the audience. Right. So that's that's kind of how we operate our date. And it'll sites across the world. This is what you're you're collecting digital sites across just a single. How do you look at? That's right. So there's CNN dot com on. Mobile and desktop. There's the app there's everything we do across social, right? So that's just everything and off platform to. So you know, you to Amazon whatever it is. So we calculate and things like apple news on that. So that two hundred million unique users a month, or you know, sometimes it's like twenty two twenty three million unique users day, we calculate this down to the hour. I mean, there are people who are just on the team and like addicted to it. But that's that includes like everything see you seen in dot com. CNN international seem right business CNN politics. Just everything we do under the stuff that's on the on the television on the cable Zach that data. I'm giving you just Justice data. This is not the video views that you put also that you do also on CNN dot com. Yeah. Well, the unique users will include the video streams video streams also. All right talk a little bit about your background. How you got to this to got to cnNcom you've had a long interesting journey in the. Digital news space. Yeah, I've been at this for a long have this for a long time. So I started at my first job was at NY times dot com, and that was in ninety six right? When early early right months after launch at Bill grew skit who is no that he was the Wall Street Journal that was. Yeah. That was well my boss was Bernie workman. Yeah. That's right. Who's incredible? Yeah. You know, Bernie was the former foreign editor of the paper. He was like the Moscow correspondent during Cold War. Right. And I think they were kinda looking he was he wanted to know what he could do next and he was getting close to retirement age and go to this web thing. Right. And it was early early. People don't really ninety six was super early early and the site actually launched January ninety five. So I didn't there after long. What was that? What was that about talk about that launch? And what what you guys were trying to do there. It was incredible. We were I me and a handful of others were hired because we were kids with a journalism degree in new a little bit about the internet. And they wanted someone to come in. Copy and paste the paper onto the internet. Right. Right. And so some of us worked on the web some of us worked on the AOL whole thing we win right here. They earn like Rainman and all that crazy, right? And which Rainman was AOL's programming language. So you know, or early days like the technology and the journalism were really heavily intersected. Right. They are now too. But like now like digital so big, right? So you could fit the entire New York Times electric media company staff in nineteen ninety six on one page, and it was the journalists who were like the web producers and editors like, I was it was the sales team the HR team and all of that. And we were I mean, Bernie was amazing, but we were essentially without adult supervision. Right. Wouldn't Where'd you come from. You're just journal you just journalists studied journalism at Mizzou. And then you just decide this was job you wanted. Yeah. Like, I took one I think it was if not the it was one of their first. Classes on there's the internet. And so in this journalism, and maybe the two things could intersect. We learned about like all the internet service providers prodigy what like all of it. And so I was a broadcast major, and I really got this idea of well, I could actually graduate and go work for the New York Times out of instead of going to some working downmarket five hundred thirty two and and it just it seemed like a no brainer. And it was it was magnificent career path. And it was only back then it was only the newspapers who are hiring in digital broadcast wasn't even an option. Right. And you know, I mean, you were there like there was like covering it had started coming Ninety-two early really stuff like that. I remember when the New York Times went on well and went on all the various services, and we were doing some cool stuff. Yeah. Absolutely. Some there were some really big like innovative projects and ways that we were talking with users. The chats and all of that. I mean, it was it was good, and listen, I sound like such an old person now, and I am, but I think if anything like looking at the trajectory of my career, and what I've learned along the way gives me this perspective and experience that none of this is permanent that we're going through right now. So when you have the conversation as you off around what's going to happen with Facebook where we're going to be at any year or two or three cetera. You just know it's all gonna keep on changing. So you're at the time. So you're putting stuff up on the web. There wasn't there. It was not the near Trump's app. There was not the New York Times anything the Wall Street Journal was trying things to if you remember the time for the pay early with the pay wall, and and selling things there was no apps or or any way other way to access it besides an internet site kind things, and it was just a amalgamation of what was in the paper, essentially, exactly right is actually, but we were doing we started experimenting because we didn't have that. Because the paper wasn't paying attention to us. That's what I mean by no adult supervision like we were experimenting with break. News. We were experimenting knees in that. Right. Was the Martin was the big boss, right? And so Martin just kind of encouraged that we were we were very much a separate entity as you were upstairs. Remember, we were cross time square your across the way, which is a lot of the more. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we were you know, that's that's back when the paper was at a different location in the site was at a different location, and every now, and then, you know, somebody from the paper would come over to observe what we were saying. And you know, it was it was great. I mean, we really got to experiment and play. And it's also where I got to kind of grow up as like, I grew up there. I was I was at the New York Times for seven years at digital. And then later, I went to Paris and worked for the International Herald Tribune which at times connection, right? But it was you know, one of one of my favorite things is very early there. People ask me to do the schedule. Can you please just like we need to like we were getting like more than ten people on the team and we needed to schedule. Out. So we had twenty four twenty seven coverage. And that was a big lesson for me because I didn't of course, I wanna do schedule. I came into Johnson. And so you so what you were putting stuff on the website. What was the thing? Then you move to inertial hill Tribune yet to do the same thing. Because that was that was a paper that you got in Europe. When you couldn't get any other news. You got the international which was an amalgamation of the times the Washington Post. I think LA times was in there too. Yeah. That's right. So so that's why tell the story about doing schedule piece because that's what led to like do the work that other people don't wanna do. Right. How things set up? That's how I got into the management piece of it. So by the time, I it had been seven years and there Bernie had left and there was an opportunity. I wanted to I wanted to run the site. And they were like no you can't yet. Like we need to bring in someone at the paper. Right. We need ring someone over from the paper because they know journal in two thousand two you know, it was very clear that website wasn't going away. The internet wasn't going away. It was going important. So we're gonna. Bring in someone from the paper. And it was like, oh, that's a ceiling. That's what this feels like. Right. Right. So that's when this job opened up at the I T, and it was like, I can I can work and live in Paris. Right. Yeah. You could do that. Right. So that was great. So that was in some ways kind of a it was a smaller team. I wasn't doing just journalism there. Right. I was I ended up running the technology piece in the sales Pete's just ninety tiny team. But that was great because I got to see life outside of the American lens, and we experimented with like Nokia on mobile stuff and language and translation software, and it was super super fun and super creative. And what was the attitude still at the main newspapers, you this was the New York Times that was one of the owners international ended up being the only owner of the international heritage in. What was the attitude of them towards digital still even during these years that was after the fall, right? That's why. So this is two thousand two to two thousand seven when I was at the I T. And I was there for like a hot second when it was co owned by the post in the times. Two point. And then the times took it over fully. And I feel like it was friendlier there. Frankly, I think want some time had passed, and you didn't have to evangelize the importance of the internet in newsrooms as much and to was there was something about something about being outside of the US. And like some more just experimentation that was happening across parts of Europe and Africa, Asia and mobile was early there. So there were some interesting ways to play with what was happening internationally. And plus the people the T like I just set up a bunch of blogs for like, let's have a Formula one blog rats do like, right? Let's talk about foreign affairs. Right. Everyone was just kind of game. It was smaller. And it felt like we were all kind of in it together. So that to me was like the first taste of like, I can now see what a modern newsroom might look like where people aren't right one is digital and one is print. We're actually doing shoutings together, and hey that actually works. So you work there. And then moved back to Los Angeles to work for the times. And then I got a call from LA's, and you wanna run Elliott times dot com and editor and I said up -solutely. So that was I'd never been in LA before. I'd never worked at the time. I thought this is going to be crazy. We're going to go in the land of traffic and small fell in love with it. So I was at LA times for two years running judo, they're running digital. And what was the challenges there? This was again in time from newspapers still were slow to get there. It seemed like they didn't until I would say five years ago. I think that's right. I mean, if you like there were so many increments in Stettin steps along the way, the LA times was I mean, it was awesome. Because that was local as big as LA as it was still local, and you got to I got to go from like just global in general with the I t to like, let's see what it's like to serve at community. And that was just a really fun exercise to use the internet for that purpose. If if there was an earth. Quake? We would just like tweet out. Like, did you feel it? And then we'd like do a story of people felt and then just vote like some very rudimentary things. But they were actually interesting ways to tell the story that the paper had never done before. So. Yeah, just there were like three or four rounds of layoffs that they LA times there were different Sam Zell came in and out and it was complete chaos. But it was so much fun. I loved it. They're making the what what were the challenges of moving into the digital age with these because he all these companies they when Sam sell came in the idea was that it was going to be a more digital Los Angeles Times that it was they were going to serve different communities, and the there was lots of talk about how digital was going to transform the LA times, which it never really did. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. I don't know that it's been like transformed. You're right. You know, there was. To me the the big lesson. There was my personally it was a story of like, oh, they want me. Like, they're going to need me as one of the managing editor of the paper. They're gonna let me in the newsroom, this continued story of you're starting to get it. You're starting to get it like they were like we need you to run like the morning news meeting for the whole organization. Oh, that means we actually need the newspaper people to come in before eleven o'clock in the morning, right. So there were some of these shifts that were no that things you wouldn't see unless you were just inside the beast that were really important nets along the way. And so I feel like all of the story for newspapers has been this momentum that's been slowly slowly building and need it. And then I think you're right like four or five years ago was when it was like, no the future is digital. And like, it's right here. You can see it on the spreadsheets you can write it and they audience and the revenue there, and but that broke open because of the work that was done to get there. How those and then how did you end up a San I got back from maternity leave in LA nine year old son now, and there was one voicemail and little light on my desk phone, and it was from the executive recruiter at Time Warner Time Warner I don't want to cable company, and then it was like, oh, right. That CNN right. And that was always CNN was abreast ring job. Why was that? I love like it can going back to the early days like any of the competitive data. You saw seen in was always number one. I love their global reach. I love that. Like video was baked into the DNA. Breaking news was baked into the DNA. I felt as a as a not just a journalist, but a human that if something happened in the world like that's where you went. And it was like God. Wouldn't that be incredible to run CNN digital right to just do everything all the journalism and distribution programming that you could possibly think of it's it's always been? Strong. But I felt like there were more things that could be talking about what your job is what Swain what Santa because people. I don't think it will do realize how widespread it is. Because most people think of Yahuda, I'm trying to get the news sites that people think our biggest New York Times dot com. Would it be Yahoo news? Some some version of Yahoo finance there'd be a Wall Street Journal. There'd be what else? I mean. We're kind of battling it out. You can look at all these different metrics. But we we've been battling it out. I mean, not to sound overly cocky, but it's not that close. We've had moments where it's been close, you know, in the last year, or so it's been you know, the times the post like an it's post. Yeah. I love to see the newspaper sites and brands like resurgent on digital. That's a really good thing. It was BuzzFeed for while. It's not BuzzFeed so much anymore. Yeah. It's just you know, there's a there's a lot of different ways to slice and dice it. But by just about every metric, we're number one in everything. Social millennial reach video timespan. Like, it's just it goes on and on. And so you are in charge of all the not the reporters themselves or the entire everything that comes out of CNN dot com. Yeah. So I've got like if you look at like, an organizational charm, I've got like three hundred fifty ish people are so like on my team, proper, and those are writers reporters editors producers, and who might work in politics or business, or you know, out of our London or Hong Kong teams for international or work on our social media teams. Like, I have those people, but I think of my I think my team near quotes is like way bigger than that. Because my job is actually to run the the journalism and work with the journalists who fuel CNN digitally worldwide. So there's thousands of journalists at CNN and a lot of them these days continuing that story of like integration. There's so many people that aren't on my team technically, but they spend twenty five fifty seventy five percent of their time working for digital. Right. So making stuff for you making stuff for digital. Right. So that's one of the most fun things. Let's wait, wait. The thing is known for as video as video company. Essentially, that's how is how is that running a website that has has so well known for television. Yeah. No. It's the plus side is video is in our DNA. Right. Like, that's just who we are in the whole pivot video conversation, we can just stand in the same place. My Ben, and it's really good fit to did not give it. Oh. Oh here. We are. We're right here. So that's just wonderful. And and there's different ways to think about video. Right. So, you know, there are video journalists who do video just for CNN digital their video journalists who kind of specialize in doing video for social or YouTube, or whatever it might be. And then there are there are video editors who pull the right moments from air or go and tap into the archives. I mean, we're sitting on since nineteen eighty a gold mine of archive video right history of the world. Right. So there's all these different ways that we can kind of play with video in what you're doing. All right. 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She got but talk a little bit about the news business now because a lot of the way people get their news, and how people consume it has changed pretty drastically in the past couple of years talking about where you think it's going, and how you all are thinking about how you deliver it to people because obviously Mobile's probably the most important part. But perhaps not maybe this Facebook. Maybe it's Twitter. Maybe it's other places. It's like it's changed so much in terms of how we like it used to be the super popular thing to be like, let's be where audiences are like almost at every cost. So let's be out on every single social platform. And there was a trend two years ago. It was a trend like two years two and a half years. Be where they are. And that was the mantra and we end up mantra a little bit too. And it's it's a short sighted mantra because you do that. And you're just where the people are. And you're not actually thinking about your own right operated, right properties. Like, it's doesn't it doesn't make sense. It doesn't grow a business that supports journalism exist to do. So so that was kind of where used to be I think where it's going now, especially in light of what's happened with the social platforms. It's we're going to be way more focused. We've all we've we've already been in the space for a while now, but we're going to be way more focused on what we can actually control what we own our sites are abs- partnerships and relationships that we have with social platforms and other companies that are kind of on our own terms CNN, so huge. We've got that leverage. Right. Right. So that's good. I mean, and that's a benefit like, I you can't take for granted. There's a lot of other smaller. Sites that are doing great work that don't have that leverage. And don't have that benefit. We have it. And we'd better use. What does that mean? It means people pushing people to your web. What is the most important way? People. Get news right now from CNN dot com. Right. Not from the website typing it into a browser. Or is that the way? I mean, there's still a lot of people who do that. Right. That's one of like everyone was saying awhile ago that the homepage is dead. Yeah. People wouldn't have homepage. That has just not been our experience. It's so old school. Yeah. Yeah. People go to CNN dot com. Type it in right? That's a huge amount of audience. But there's also again, you know, to the point about being addicted to like what audiences do when the data. We do a lot of. Okay. Let's talk about like, you know, what we're doing on SEO or what would doing with Google on amp or what we're doing on social that does more than like route someone to hit a thumbs up or thumbs down. So you so the way when you're thinking about your just your your news, you think about your own operated properties? Correct. Yeah. That you want people on them. Which of those of the most important is the app is at the is it just a mobile mobile enabled website, or what what people use more. It's kind of like your favorite children question because the app has a smaller audience, but the audience is super loyal like the most of the app users are like really in it. They open it often. There's up for Lert. They're like, they're super engaged. Some of the web audience web audience is way, bigger, that's our scale. That's our ubiquity. But some of that audience is like a one and done it's a fly by so something Michael Lind yet indicted. They wanna see what n has exactly exactly. So they just just they're not loyal to you in particular. Just whatever pops up. I mean, some of them I come to see an dot com, which is like a good loyalty signed. But some of them might just see something in a feed pop on the, you know, pop in on whatever story it is. Right. And be like, oh, I'm on CNN manage to that. When you're thinking about like, your writers and how to deliver news. What is what do you? What goes into the thinking behind how to catch those people because other people have news, just like yours? Well, the scale is super important, right? So we talk about I think it's kind of a common construct these days, but we talk with about like a funnel. Right. So that like wide funnel with these massive audiences like millions and millions of people a day. Like, that's good. We've got that. You gotta start there. And so then like what can you do to get people further down the funnel? I mean number one is you can just do like really good essential in engaging journalism and do it. Well, right. Like kind of it. But then there are other tools and techniques like you can make sure that you are your optimized for SEO that you are thinking about like if there's a story that we see this doing really well. Well, that's a sign that our audiences are interested. Right. Maybe we should do more. Right. So that might mean developing story a little bit more that might mean doing, you know, another piece or two sidebars, you know, whatever. Whatever techniques to to understand what our audiences are looking at and what audiences that we might get might be looking at. And then thinking about the journalism that we need to do to support it. It's really nice like these days. I feel like the news business is in most of us are in a really healthy place when it comes to the art and science and like mixing those two things, right. Explain that more. What do you mean? You know, it used to be like we're just gonna do a store because he editor says we're going to do a story. And that's the end of it. And sometimes that happens like, do it Ducker orders up like a million stories all the time the boss of CNN. I want to see more on black. Yeah. Fine. And like, you know, a lot of times it was a really good ideas. But a lot of times. Well, we can do. Now. For example, is this is one of my favorite and least favorite things that happened. I will have a really good idea for let's go with that headline, right? Let's use this. Right. Right. And the team will be like, we ran it through some AB tests boss, and like we've found that like these two other headlines work better than yours. Standard. Glad we're AB testing. Dammit. My headline didn't work. But like again, these really joking. These are really like good healthy examples of how can we make sure that what we are doing reaches people. It's a little bit of a battle. There's so much out there. Right. So we've got this big scale. We don't want to be seen as like ubiquitous blue. So in that, blah, what is working today? Because I mean, a lot of people talk about this idea. We'll get into fake news and things like that. But what works with the user at this moment in time because obviously will change. But what is the what is the best way to reach say qualified reader with a strong story. The thing that works. We were actually talking about it in the news meetings this morning, the thing that's working really. Well, these days his context and analysis because the world is so things are still crazy. Like what happened in the news cycle three days ago? You have no idea. I have no idea like things are just moving at such a fast clip. So this morning, we have this. Excellent writers named Stephen Collins like a lot of times, you will see on you know, mobile or our app or mobile web or desktop wherever you will see him like ranking like one of the big stories in the morning, usually, and he doesn't Alice's for us. And you will see used to be like a few months ago. His stories would do pretty well. It'd be doing. Okay. We've got we've got chart beat ABC. Can I get KiKi here for censorship? Please. Do we have a geeky audience anything over ten thousand concurrence for us is considered? Really good. And Stephen Collins is getting like twenty thousand concurrence this morning before nine AM on an analysis piece about kind of Trump's Reiji weekend, another one, and that's interesting to me because what it says to me, especially as CNN or like, our DNA is breaking news like the world's falling apart. This is where you go to let people know like what's going on? This is we're now seeing this huge thirst for audiences for context and analysis. So that like as just a journalistic technique and marrying the art in the science together, we see that right working and really big ways. It's kind of a basic thing that no dub, frankly, there were times, you know, even like earlier this past year where people didn't want context analysis. Recent pop right with the recent news is yeah. Right. The recent like, I it like the refreshing constantly kind of thing. Exactly, how do you build a newsroom culture? That's like that that when we are in this sort of fast paced news culture, because it's changed again in the last two years for sure in the last year, it's been dramatic the amount the amount of shifting of the news. And when you have a constant breaking new site. You have that. Yeah. Happening. It's been it's been it's been tough. Right. I think we've done it. I think there are ways that we're still kind of figuring it out to be honest. You know, the first when when Trump started tweeting, it was this conversation inside our newsrooms, and I think there's well like do we cover every tweet? We should it's the president which cover tweet president of the United States by definition newsworthy. Then it became like hold on. Wait slowdown or we're we're we're we're doing stenography journalism right now. Right, right. Let's chill out. Let's writing down everything he says and just saying back. Precisely. So that's what you wanna do. You wanna just pause for a second. There are some moments where like something has said it could be Trump. It could be another story like we should say what we know when we know it, and then publish and then layer on the context as we as, but there are some moments where we just need pause. Like, we're not this interesting. I just didn't interviews Andrew Mitchell on a podcast with her and Chuck Todd and Halley Jackson, and she had the same thing that some they get this is an NBC news that she's the head of her show. And she's like, I don't wanna hear his latest. We don't even tell me his latest tweets because I don't want to lead with it where I don't want that to be the story and would really interest. And she said, I'm everytime. I nor it it. He says that actually is pertinent because he is president like there's certain tweets or whatever utterances are pertinent, and there's others that aren't and it's really hard in this cycle of fast twitch to mmediately go to the fast twitch. Yeah. It's it's I agree. I mean, I would assume you get. Rewarded for that at CNN dot com fest, which kind of stuff maybe we used to a little bit. I mean, listen, we like to be we like to be early or I on things that is true. But I think these days we've shifted into that doesn't mean just repeating everything that Trump the White House says it means like, let's just take a breath. Take a beat is this newsworthy. If so why let's get that. I can send slowdown newsroom, how do you? Then when you have a newsroom on this fast, twitchy instant published published published cycle, you kinda just talk to people and tell them it's better to be right than it is to be I which, you know, in some cases is about like the fear of getting something wrong. We push it out there too early. In other cases, it's the these days. It's the fear of not doing our jobs as well as we can as journalists if we're just pushing things out there so early right people want to know seeing. Take on things if you are a consumer of news at some point, you will be I want to know what CNN has to say on it. So at some point while they're still this like, you know, mentality of let's get it out. Let's get it out. There's also this recognition in this fast twitch cycle as you say that hold on. Everything's moving really fast. It's not gonna matter an hour from now a day from now right year from now. Right. If we were like number one or number two gonna matters that we did our jobs. Well, we got right, right. Except that. That's if you're the if you're the leader in this is how you grow. Is there a pressure from within Santa to do that like get bigger because the more you do assume the more people come to your site or that's not true. There's a there's I mean, we listen growth is good, right? There's a pressure to continue to grow the audience and do good work that audience wants. And that goes the business all that stuff. But I don't think the path to that is more caffeinated constant. Publishing. You know? I think it's just smarter high quality work that'll breakthrough all right here with Meredith. Artie. She's the editor in chief of CNN dot com in the senior vice president of CNN digital worldwide. We get back. I'm gonna talk a little bit more about the social networks and how how big new sites are thinking of them going forward. We're back with Meredith early. She's the editor in chief CNN dot com in the senior vice president of CNN digital worldwide, one of the things more talking about is you do still have these relationships with social networks like you have big ones described which ones you have now. And how you look at them because everybody was striking these big instant publishing deals or different things with Google or Facebook. Typically, you're Facebook that's pretty much the two ways and Twitter. I guess talk about each of them right now. How you look at them. How do you look at their them as entities, I would the umbrella on that as we look at everything we're doing there is something that is nice to have. And that we do by choice, and that we don't put our eggs in the basket of any of these. Networks they're they don't they don't really care about us. They're not like it's not our business model, and they don't share the values that we have. So just in general. It's say, what do you mean by that? What do you mean? They don't share the values. They're not journalists. Right. And we saw this with Facebook in and out you could, you know, talk about this for a long time. And I know you have. Yeah. You know, this this idea of they're not like, they don't even you can't even get them to say that there are media company. So so they're not thinking about kind of what's appropriate. What's not appropriate upholding some like basic standards of you know, democracy or other free governing principles where in the world there. It's just a different mindset. Right. And and we've seen the problems with that in the news cycle left. And right. And so I think there was so much since the since the model for news has been in such a tumultuous state ever since forever. I mean for a long time. I think there was just this hope of like this is this is where I can get those audiences. Let me be where they are. Right. And. And then what it becomes volatile thing where people were spinning up like editorial and business strategies based on based on something that they didn't control right, right? And like the old days if you think about the old days, right? So would then is left. So you have Facebook, which still matters Facebook Twitter. How do you look at same thing? I mean, they'll matter to some degree, but nowhere near as much as like the scene has a big presence on Twitter, for example, as do your CNN personalities, and you're seeing reporters, you know, Twitter. I mean, yes. Yeah. It's trying to town Jake. You know, it's yes it like we like seen and beer K has been the number one. It's like this monster account that's been around forever, essentially, an alerting service of like what my no one. No it, and that's fun. And that's great. And and we do some like great, by the way, there's a incredible like social team and other people around CNN that kind of lead the strategy of what we're doing in these places, and it's good like we learn a lot. Is it the thing? That's like we're going to stay future on. Absolutely, not you know. So yeah, Twitter's important to us and supporting us for breaking news. There's a little bit. Like, there's some monetization. That's happening there. A little bit with Twitter Facebook. Yes, we have the Facebook. Watch thing we do with Anderson and others that that show has been a hit. And then great, and that was a deal like we got right money. We have page pager wonder if you do it with. Out the money. They paid you probably not. I mean, you know, I mean, we might like we've experimented on Facebook. Right for ages without getting paid without getting paid. And I think the experiments are good in that. We learned something we learned something about, you know, maybe it's, you know, vertical. Video relearn some writing about audience engagement on a certain topic on that platform. But yeah, I mean Facebook watch like, that's it. I mean, that's Anderson Cooper. That's hard star talent. We're not gonna just do that for free. So yes, so Facebook, you know there. Moderately important like that, you know, the Facebook watch show a highlight they've been problematic in so many other ways just again the new cycle. We did have a deal with Snapchat. You know, we our own show on that. That was that was fine. But then it turned out that there were a lot of things that we weren't getting in terms of like information about our audiences, and I think the revenue deal. I didn't drive that piece of it. But I think it wasn't AS Roma's ings. We thought it was going to be. And so we were like we're gonna take a pause like we're out. And then now we're playing with them in some corners and some ways, but that's how I think it should go, right? Like, let's open to partnering with platforms with companies out like VR. Do you think about it? You saw the cheddar things just kind of kooky magically smiling at me. We've done some good. We had some fun VR stuff. Yeah. I it seems like it's what do you think about I think it's such a high bar for someone to do all the stuff? Not yet. It's games. I think it's games. I was playing a bunch of games my kids, and this why even nine year old your nine year old like it like pirate game or something like that? But for news. No. Yeah. I just don't see. Yeah. The the equipment still is sub par for the experience. The there's some it sounds promising. Eventually you'll go home and put on his put on some glasses at night and watch TV that way. Yeah. Sure. Right. There was a project recently about I'm gonna feel bad that I can't remember who did it. Maybe the guardian published it, but like what it's like to be a detention cell, right stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. But you have to get everybody with one of those devices wearing them. It's you have to go home and put on glasses. Everyone has to go home putting glasses every night that kind of thing it's a high bar. It's a high bar, which if the glasses are easy enough, or if it's a surround sort of like in a black mirror episode where you're in the room, and all, you know, all the screens are everywhere. Sure. Why not? That's how you would get your news. But it's an experiential stuff is kind of. Cool. I've seen some really cool stuff done an experiential. But it's just it's still not the. Print works. Really? Well, you know what? I mean. I always I sometimes technology. It's a good technology at c net print, but it's up to printed. Text text on a on a screen or whatever seems to work really well video works really well audio obviously works really well for us. And so it just there's not it's always like sort of like there's nothing new under the sun. But I do try to think is news going how how does newsgathering lobbying gap gathering changes over time. You know, how people bring stories to people and how quickly they do one thing. The other part is how much. If I was running a huge organization like yours. I wouldn't even know what to think of where it's going how it's going. Where it's coming from. Or how people gather news or how you do things. But it certainly not in the way they've done in the past. I mean, when you talk about news gathering that brings to mind like thousands of journalists who are like the way that they literally go out and get an captured as completely changed. Just I mean, I guess it's happened to print as well. And the infrastructure is gone from like, these massive pieces of equipment and expensive and only few people know how to operate them too. Right. Everyone can do. Right. You need to be good, journalist and know how to tell the talk to. But like the technology is no longer a barrier. A wonderful thing for new right? But has it changed the way we tell stories, and that's the thing. You know, when you're at a big Oranization like yours. I would think you change more slowly. But maybe not I think it's changed. I think it's changed. It's given us a broader menu. Right. So it's not like the TV packages. The end all be all for video. Right. So, you know, there's so many different ways to use images still and moving with text with motion graphics with whatever it might be tell a story in a super compelling way. That's the fun part about being journalists. These days is it's there's so many different like, you can be just an expert a particular format. It can be like, I know vertical. Video. I know this about mobile, I know this about a are VR, whatever might be, you know, there's just it's gotten so diverse in terms of like the different ways to tell the story. So the challenge is and this is this really is the fun pieces. Okay. We have a story to tell how many different ways, shall we? Tell the story. What is the best way to tell? Right. There might be something really quick right now. Then we can do on a social network or quick take or put something in a newsletter. Yeah. Our video and that might grow into a beautiful, you know. Interactive narrative series that we can do that will go across basically everything seeing doesn't cluding TV. So there's a lot of that work, and you know exploration. That's just kind of happening across all of CNN. I'm gonna finish up talking about how you did back up sort of backed up of anti news news, you work for annexation. That's been attacked been bomb. Pipebombs everything else. Yeah. With the whole organization, not just CNN dot com. The entire innovation. You all been the focus of this idea of where new sort of attacks on the news and fake news. How does that? What does that like working in that environment? Now, it's you had Maria wrestle on. Yes. Not that long ago. She's amazing. And is it rap ller in the Philippines. She didn't listen. She's a journalist who is undergoing a great deal of stress from the murderous regime who runs the Philippines. Exactly. And she's she said it really well that this is in some ways the the toughest time to be a journalist. And in some ways, it's the most like important and invigorating time to do it. And I think that's I think that's true in well said the thing about the thing about the bomb threats was, you know, it's one thing if you've worked in journalism for awhile and worked bureaus or banal in the field, or certainly if you're a war correspondent or anything like that. Like, it's certain kinds of journalists. Get used to living with these threats, and they deal endanger. And dangers, and they knew with it and the all kinds of ways, right? And that's and that's tough. It's another thing if you are relatively new CNN like, you know, it's one of your first or second jobs and you're in the newsroom, and there's a threat right and have to leave and you have to leave. And so, you know, there's a very why we've got a very diverse mix of staff in every single sense of the word and people processed it differently. They were a lot of people who were genuinely and understandably freaked out by like, I didn't know this is what I was getting into. I thought I was getting into journalism because right? It's valued profession is a profession that serves the public good and has gained public trust. I didn't think I was getting into it to be called the enemy of the people of the United States would result in threats that my family is calling me crying. Wondering if I'm okay, right? Right. Right. So yeah, those things were those things were tough that sheer. But I think at the. End of it. It kind of underlines why it's so important for us to do our jobs. Well, and do you where do you magin the news visits going with this with the attacks that go on continually across the goal, and obviously Maria and others were on the cover of time magazine, which was kind of nice to see where do you? How do you think about news the news business when amid that threat when it's when it's it's continued you see continue or do you think will people will be like that's enough? We value the press, this is just a political attack meant to disabled us. I think I think we're in a moment in time. I think it's going to abate. I think we'll be I don't know how long this is going to last. I don't think it's going to be over like in two to three months. I think we're going to have to live with us for a little while. But I think it's just a moment. I mean, again, like looking through all the cycles of history after you know, having. Experience and some knowledge of how these things can go, you know, you get older enough. And you can think about those things I think we're definitely in a moment and it will pass. But it's a it's a hard moment. I mean, I'm doing this work. You know, I've been working on this. This report that's gonna come out at the start of the year. That knightfoundation in the Aspen institute have this group of people were working on trust in media, and democracy and kind of exploring that topic. And there's been a lot of studies done in conversations, we've had with smart people around the nation in the world about what's happening at this moment, and one of the things that that I think is kind of the leading theory. And it's been said before is this idea that there's this complete lack of trust in institutions and those institutions include, you know, the news media media writ, large, governments businesses that this whole infrastructure of these institutions that. Many of us growing up kind of had faith in these institutions and would rely on them or maybe would aspire to work for them. And now, so many of them have failed people, and that's resulted in this kind of the dark moment that were into some degree. Whether it's been this decaying of trust on a large scale. And that's when you get these these people who just start like, I none of this has worked for me. And I don't care if the system burns down, right? And that's I think I think one of the things we will see in two thousand nineteen if thinking about you know, you asked where this is going. I know one of the things that is really important for me for seen in digital. And I think I think everybody else had seen and would agree with me on this his in twenty nineteen Wego kind of beyond this, the marketing campaigns of facts, I and democracy dies darkness. And all that. That's great. That's really good staff. We need to go further. Now. We need to actually interesting do better about showing our work showing who we are as journalists like dial up the efforts to be transparent about when we get things wrong. Or when we changed things. Why have we done that? I think there's so much of the journalistic process that. Audiences don't understand and we need to lay that bear. And I think that will increase the trust showing that we do it showing how we do it. I mean, you know, you're you're good at this. You kind of like showing your process podcastone time. Yeah. And but you don't always see that. Right. You know, see how they do it. If you had to predict where news will be gotten from five years from now. Where would you think we're news people will consume their news on on what still the mobile device? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think so I think it's just has to get more and more convenient, right? I mean, we, you know, we see now you can see it in like every whether it's network television or cable television, like the numbers of people sitting down to watch TV is in that traditional model is declining. But then it kind of raises. This existential question about what do we mean by we mean, TV, what do we mean when we're talking about video? What how can we make it as easy as possible to get news? That's relevant to people wherever they are in whatever device they're on in a way that supports right. The business the business, right? That's the key thing that's the pivot from like, let's just go on all these social platforms and see how it happens. You see a new one emerging not yet? But I think there will be don't you? I don't know. I keep trying I'm asking everyone. I not as an out in the middle it because I literally don't know. What's next? These it seems like Facebook and the others are declining in some way. Do you know what I mean, like, it's just not the way, it's exhausting. And I just don't know. How people are. Maybe you're right. It goes back to they'll come to the individual sites that are the strongest and they will go back to their old practices. I don't know. I think the brands matter so much innovation needs to continue by the way. Did you hear who got a Facebook today? No. Well, it must really what did he do? Oh, no. He's not on Facebook. No. Thank you for that news. I lost my phone. So I did not find this out. But I myself am not on Facebook. So I don't I mean, I've used Facebook, of course. But I don't use it. Right. I'm not off of Facebook go because he met isn't easy mad at them. He made some kind of you know, it was a good statement about how he doesn't feel like it's an appropriate place to be. Oh, wow. Good for wall you go. There you go. Well, what are you going to do? Now. I'm kidding CNN's. Go stand face for CNN will stay up for me personally dot com. It's just yeah. The second I'm out there dealing with that I'm not dealing with the work that we need to do my last fishing this new cycles speed, how do you deal with it? I mean, you must be on like high alert all the time. Nothing is not news. Right. It helps nothing is not news in the internet infinite. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. Think. You know, it helps to have a global team of journalists. Right. So we all kind of like have each other's backs. There are moments where someone might be like kind of last minute. Like, I need to step out of this one. I'm I'm good. We've I need to step away from this mass shooting coverage for a little while. Right. Right. That's one day after the next after the next Senate ex. Yeah. I mean, we thought, you know, the midterms we were so focused on like, you know, doing a good job covering the midterms and know all the complexities of doing just because of the story of the midterms and then add on like the complexity of all of CNN's digital platforms journalists around the world, and we did it and it went really well. And we're were like, yeah, we can take a break, and then Pittsburgh, and you know, the synagogue and then the California wildfires, and you know, that was one this weekend. There were like six things. Yeah. So it it's I don't know. Why things have sped up so much? It is not all politics. You know? Right. But they really have. And and it's it's sometimes it's really exhilarating. And sometimes you're like Anita break. Right. And so, you know, for me, it means right now like, you know, my outside interests are pretty limited there one day like all have some like rich, creative life moment of quiet. Yeah. But you know, I kinda prioritize like quiet time and going to bed early and getting some sleep. And if people need me because something big happens like I'm there, and and we kind of trade off with each other like me and the rest of the leadership team. And it's it's good. We have each other's backs. Can't imagine the new cycle. It's because you've got to cover everything. Yeah. I can ignore most of the things there's a lot. Yeah. I just have Facebook all the time to whack at anyway Meredith. Thank you so much. We've been here with Meredith. Artly? Thank you for coming on the show. She is the editor in chief of CNN dot com and the senior vice president of CNN digital worldwide. Thank you for coming on the show for having. Thank you for listening. You can find more episodes of Rico decode on apple podcasts. Spotify Google podcast wherever you listen to podcasts. And please tell friend about the show you can follow me at Carris wisher on Twitter. 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The Tom Dupree Show  8-9am  7-20-19

The Tom Dupree Show

52:00 min | 1 year ago

The Tom Dupree Show 8-9am 7-20-19

"Wing is a paid program on six thirty. wwl This is the top two free show on Newsradio six thirty and WWL A._P.. Dot Com. I guess you know alive. Not <music> been putting you on your shades. You know what the call and Shannon Boo under John Gone back come. Tom Pre show Blue Moon of Kentucky for decoding. We Got Philip Sexton in the House House guy he was here. Hey here we go to coating the labor market. Unemployment rate may not do the job what's going on there all right so we've <hes> when you look at you know interest rates and then they've they've raised them so many times now and you <hes> the arguments been all you look at the unemployment rate. It's you know the lowest it's been you know multiple decades and everything's great the economy and and this article actually touches on how the unemployment rate can actually be misleading. We've actually talked about this in years past on the show and the fact that there's you know labor participation rate <hes> doesn't reflect the same statistic <hes> so this is this is talking about it says <hes> you know in theory is so the U._S.. Unemployment rate last month hit three point seven percent one of the lowest US levels and a half a century in theory that should mean we're living in very tight labor. Markets or workers are scarce and employers are boosting pay and benefits to attract new hires that should push up inflation as firearms raise prices to afford higher salaries instead wage growth has been muted and inflation week leading economists to reevaluate how <unk> how they measure the labor market. You know I find this interesting because they start talking about <hes> <hes> so recent research has come up with new measures that suggests that job market still has room to improve without spurring inflation these measures imply. They're more people on the sidelines who might be induced to get a job or work more than they do now <hes> so the CO author this article so you've got Miss Abraham and Co author John Hall to Wander. I'm not also of the University of Maryland have created a labor market assessment that takes takes into account people who aren't in labor force but want to work and those with jobs who are looking for new opportunities. They also attempt now thought this was pretty cool. They also attempt to measure how intensely employers are looking for workers a guy. You've I've been in the workforce development for quite a long time and you know those is one thing to say. You've got low unemployment but then there's another thing to say that you know. Are You satisfied with the amount employee's you gotTA. Do you say hey. We need a hundred more right now but you know I wonder how many you know how many people really when you say low employment. How many people have just quit looking yeah? That's the thing <hes> I think there's a lot pinup demand on the sidelines. It's not being measured of people who don't count as unemployed because they've quit looking and when things began to happen they come in off the sidelines. It's flight pent-up demand. That's not showing and it comes into the market and it doesn't really look as if much is you know the low unemployment level stays as low but you would think that that would be driving wages way higher. There are a lot of people out there that simply haven't been looking for work that if decided to go back and look for work and they don't count as unemployed. That's correct in wages. Ages are increasing very rapidly. I mean listen. Average wage is good. It's just I mean it's it's it's better than zero right who were sitting on the sidelines making nothing and now you're making something but there's two classes of of people out there working right now. That aren't being measured. I think one is the senior citizens I call them. The renaissance workers okay now well. Let's let the thing about this. They they've retired there now working part time and you see them. We see them everywhere in their wonderful employees by the way insulting and things they're doing all types of jobs ups from consulting all the way down to being a greeter or working at the dairy queen. There's a guy in my hometown pass works at the dairy queen. He's a senior citizen. It's part time income most pleasant guy in the world old wonderful so you've got that worker. That's you know I think impacting this but then you have the what I call the second chance worker that's not being measured because they can't be measured because of job Bob requirements. They don't pass the background test. They don't meet the general needs and so they're out there working but you're not measuring them does that make sense Yup and I think that's kind of what you know. The Renaissance Worker really reminds me. It's kind of what Tom was was alluding to to. Though it's one of those you know if you've got really high scarcity then you're saying hey you know we. We need this guy but he's over here. We'll pain nine ten percent more than they're gonNA. Pay Me and you know that's how wage growth really works but then you know you got the the renaissance man sitting at home saying well. I'm kind of board. I ain't got may I think I may go back and you know go do that and then they say oh no. We've got this guy he'd worked part-time and you know he knows his stuff will pay him half of half of a full salary. You don't have to worry about fighting for the next you know fighting fighting for every every penny you can get yeah. It's you know one of the things that I wish we could we could focus on economically all H._R.. Managers would focus on this and unfortunately they don't and and I understand stand it too but but if we would focus more on hiring the unemployed instead of the employed it I've I've seen it for years. You tend to see that the H._r.. Manager the hiring manager Enger says all well you know they're unemployed. There's something wrong and so they focus more on hiring somebody away from another company think about that if we would focus on the other side of it what it really would do it Kinda understand what I'm talking about here. Yeah I do understand what you're saying. I think there's a reason why they go after the currently employed is because that's a known quantity. They know what they're getting the right burden. The hand is worth two in the Bush conwright scenario and you know the other thing about the employment market today technology has changed everything everybody's looking for a job every day with all these APPs and programs that they can can tap into their constantly being notified of this job or that job they can apply in a very stealth manner. Nobody knows what they're up to and we'RE GONNA hold it for world terms of this and I think it's going to be very sorry. We can't measure our economy anymore. Like this article says strictly by an employment and that's what I was wanting to get to is is that you know you look at statistics. Statistics can be so misleading. Nowadays you know you I mean even when you're picking a stock doc you can look at certain numbers and they can be very misleading kind of one of the best things you can do. Is You know you can call a doctor is an analogy you can call Dr and tell him all your symptoms and he can guess the best thing at Dr can do is look at you. Yeah now the best thing you can do for the healthy economy walk outside here. Look at what's going on. Get Out in the community. Look at what's going on. You know you're looking at at a company company. Go kick the tires right. See what's going on. It's good points good point. Stay with us. You're listening to the Tom depre- show newsradio six thirty WWL EP election season game ain't is begun trump winning again. Let it go football on your election headquarters twenty this season ready Newsradio six dirty wwl A._p.. Hi this this. Is Tom Debris Junior. What does a good financial advisor do? Perhaps it comes down to asking the right questions instead of having all the answers for instance. Should I take social security now or later. Am I really ready to retire. Is My money invested properly to pay me an income during retirement. These are a few of the questions that might come up in your discussion with the financial advisor. Good questions are what a financial financial advisor may be able to help you with you will come up with the answers on your own if you're not sure about some of these things need a sounding board called a pre financial group at eight five nine to three three zero four hundred for a complimentary appointment also you can listen to the Tom to pre show on Saturdays at seven A._M.. At newsradio six thirty wwl a big that's depre- financial group at eight five nine to three three zero four hundred six thirty wwl uh-huh back on the Tom Brady show bill sexton <hes>. I think most people with their income limits cannot contribute to a Roth I._R._A.. But this says actually you may be able to yeah so. This is actually talking about a different avenue but I think it's it's very interesting. <hes> you know when you look at <hes> especially my generation <hes> so the article is from bans <hes> but it it goes on to say the more you make the more you need to save to <hes> have a chance of maintaining your lifestyle and retirement. Your savings rate is likely the number one factor in your ability to achieve your goals not market returns and not the economy which is pretty true. You know I if you're only saving two five percent. The amount of money that you'll have to the amount of retiring that you'll have to make is astronomical to hit your goals but says one sure way to increase your savings savings rate is make after-tax contributions to a Roth I._R._A. Or 4. Instead of pretext contributions to a traditional I._R._A. Or 4. <hes> though it says the standard way of looking at the traditional versus Roth analysis versus assume that if you make pretext contributions tra- traditional I._R._A.. Then you deposit the tax savings into an investment account and says who does that almost no one. I believe that's pretty true but what it goes on to say is. The weight you say I make too much to contribute to a roth that may not be true so this is something that I would recommend to a lot of people as many 4. And four zero three B plans allow Roth contributions and unlike an I._R._A.. Hey there are no income limitations. Apply to RAF contributions made through your employer plan <hes> so says that's right regardless of how much you make if your employer allows Roth contributions in twenty nineteen you can put up nineteen thousand into the RAF each year or up to twenty five thousand for those fifty an older. Tell me why real quick struggling with understanding here why would you Tom said you make too much. The article says but wait late you make too much. Where's all that common from so the I._R._S.? Sets income limitations phase out once you hit a certain income threshold. You can't contribute to a Roth R. because the Roth I._R._A.. Is after tax money but it grows tax deferred or TAK not tax tax free tax free until you take it out and then there's no taxes unless bless you take it out before age fifty nine and a half. What was what was the limit? It used to be <hes> one hundred thirty thousand dollars that what are you saying. Wh What are you saying here that enables you to make contributions contributions to it so there no 4. Or a four an employer plant there are no roth limitations. They all offer you. I'm roth there's the vast majority I have it available in the plan that you should look into my son works for Frankfurt state government in he he was offered a Roth plan because Philip talked about it. That's good so here's here's a here's a here's a cool part of this article too. Though so why is so important not only do roth contribution potentially increase your savings rate they also have hidden tax benefits when it comes to draw on them so it starts talking about formulas draft taxes was retired certain types of income will impact items beyond your marginal rate things like capital gains qualified dividend tax rate the amount of social security that is taxed the premium you pay for Medicare part B. N. D. and the net investment income tax and whether you qualify for healthcare premium tax credit when you have a pile of money in pretexts accounts. That's a traditional I._R._A.. Or traditional 4. A everydollar you withdrawal goes into these formulas and can cause you to pay more tax or premiums in other areas roth withdrawals do not count in these tax formulas most roth versus traditional calculators look only the at your marginal rate. They often miss other factors in these analysis so for people who are involved in employer sponsored plans. They should be considering using the roth portion of it. If it's if it's a liable available yes they ought to because I mean you don't get a tax deduction for currently the only difference is you do not get get the tax deduction right now yeah right but at the same time it grows and grows and grows and with a traditional I._R._A.. You're required to take distributions at age seventy and a half currently yeah with a Roth there is snow required distribution age well so let's. Let's talk about that so I've got A. Let's say you know you've got a million dollar retirement account in a traditional I._R._A.. Okay we'll go federal state local tax rate a thirty percent say that just for for example today so technically if that's what I have then really I only have seven hundred thousand Zet right <hes> well. You probably didn't pay state taxes too. I said federal state local okay. Let's just use thirty percent is a is a benchmark seven hundred thousand so do do pay the thirty percent tax rate on the monthly distribution so was safe. I've got five thousand dollars a month. Income coming out of that are only get thirty five hundred depend has how's that work that could vary so it's it's based on the amount you take out that year. You've gotTA think if you're if you're drawing Rollin fifty thousand a year and social security I that's probably Max isn't it pretty close somewhere probably fifty thousand a year and social security and then you tack another fifty of array money on top of it. You're at a hundred thousand in in income that year you know that that becomes not depending on when you start drawing social security now your social security is in danger of being taxed see it truly dismissed. It's sneaky. You really need to be aware of how important Roth I._R._A.. Is Don't you yep. I think another interesting thing too is you look at the the new law the Secure Act you know Oh. This is something if if that goes into play <hes> the one of the big knows that that a lot of people don't like is the <hes>. Oh what's it called the where you the stretch are yeah that was down the stretch R._A.. Where you pass it the to the next generation and now they can take it over a longer lifespan? You know so the the way the law's written is the money will have to be drawn out in ten years in your scenario. Let's say you've got a million dollar I._R._A.. Basically you're now taking your your child and it's great. It's a great problem to have. I guess as a child but at the same time now you're taking a hundred thousand dollars out of that I._R._A.. On top of what you're making you know so basically ugly the government. It's it's a forced. Yes a state tax. It's a four backhanded forced estate tax so when you think about this. Is You know when I'm when I'm looking at something like this. I'm like all right you know. This is a good way to not only help myself but also protect the next generation right you know and this is something that I would recommend to a lot of people to look at you know especially Ashley when you start. There's there's a lot of people that that really look at passing it on and estate planning and things you know and and it also talks about Roth conversions so what's a roth conversion so a Roth conversion where you take part of your traditional money or all or all yeah and you convert it to a Roth I._R._A.. You pay the taxes out of outside dollars but it may make sense dependent on your tax bracket to do some if you're if you're really worried about estate planning to do some Roth conversions now at a lower tax bracket <hes> then your child having to pay crate point thirty percent that's right now. You're going to have to pay a good chunk of that I._R._A.. Out in taxes we say sooner is cheaper candidate Ted me yes all right very well can be and that's that's. That's something that you know if it all kind of boils down to what you can't afford to do and does it make sense and do the numbers match up and that's something that we do for a lot of our clients. Is You know we sit. Sit Down and we look at options like this and we look at other things and do the numbers make sense and that's something that you you've got to be able to sit down and calculate well diligent candid guide right time. That's that's what we are and you. You know we had some folks in just recently and we talked about stuff like this how important they were young couple. They're building a business together and and we talked about how important this these type of programs strategies are for for them and their future. That's right all right. Mother of all political battles is coming in. It's about a wall one. That's a bigger wall the social security wall ooh yeah so this is not to run do and and just fifteen years this is something that <hes> it kind of tax on with that too <hes> so you know it starts talking about how the social security will run out out in twenty thirty four hundred twenty thirty four thirty four well. It's not gonNA run out. It's going to take a twenty five percent cut. Isn't that correct <hes> twenty no so that's <hes> social security trustees. The Programs Trust Fund is scheduled to run out of money. If nothing else is done they say after twenty thirty four <hes> and it starts talking about what would have to happen is you're talking about twenty five percent cut and payments or a raising taxes all okay so this is some interesting statistics because when you're retiree you need to look at your your total sources of income and social security for a lot of retirees make up a big source of income <hes> according to fed data at most one quarter of people currently nearing retirement are going to be able to shrug off any cuts at all and social security <hes> actually it's probably considerably less than one quarter. Everyone else will be in serious. There's trouble half of those. Nearing retirement will end up in dire straits. That's because most of them have little or nothing in private. Retirement plans amazing yeah. They're just not prepared. 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social security or bus and that's especially so for the bottom half of the income distribution social security is the key to understanding retirement resources for most family says the fed for example the fed looked at the balance sheets of those currently in their fifties fifties who are nearing retirement for the middle to court trials by income in other words middle fifty percent social security accounts for somewhere between forty seven and sixty four percent of their total retirement wealth for those in the bottom quarter it's nearly all of it they hold on averages twenty eight thousand in proud retirement plans yeah so going back to the previous article it pays the safe because this may not be here as an option here may not be in the same same form <hes> you know and when you're looking at retirement you have to calculate all of your income ability what can what what income came up portfolio produce reduce what pensions do have social security as technically considered i would consider it a pension payment <hes> and other things on top of that <hes> here's something i found very interesting this is kind of on the political side <hes> so it says is in ten years time on this issue becomes urgent people in or near retirement will make up more than half of the voting age population they make up an even bigger share of actual likely voters says these these people have re has we've just seen cannot do without social security according to the u._s. census by twenty thirty those over age sixty five will account for twenty six percent of the voting age population and those aged forty five to fifty nine tom are another twenty nine percent and according to u._s. elections project in the last presidential elections just forty three percent of those in their twenties baller devote the figure for the over sixty was seventy one percent put those two things together by twenty thirty around sixty percent of likely voters will be over forty five and half of those already be for sixty so let's get honest now really okay let's get honest if do we really believe the end of the day that the united states government is going to allow social security to go broke may not have a choice the reason is that the numbers numbers get so big and compelling that there comes a point where you can't look look at st kentucky's in yeah good good point i think the biggest difference is kentucky even in their state that they're in now has been able to invest inequities yeah you know it's the social security their their biggest problem is they let everybody would draw on they change rules and do stuff or you know certain things and then when you look at their ability to earn and are in a any kind of money all put it in anything got to be in treasuries right kind of scary that's right that's something that when you look at what you have to do with the the assets that you've accumulated in retirement as you've got to invest them in a way to produce an income for you that some of them social security is not doing when you look at your retirement account you need to invest it in a way to produce the income that you need and if you cannot do it prudently then you don't need to retire right when you that's that's i mean in a nutshell when we meet with a potential client that's what we're looking at can you prudently we invest your assets to create an income that will sustain your retirement living yeah social security is a wildcard especially for your generation i'll you can't count on it and i that's a great point tom because i say it all the time to my kids and i believe it my heart you're not gonna have social security yeah but then you know you're saying it between you're asking the question will the u._s. government really let it go in the fact is they may have no other choice they may not if if they're gonna be responsible and do the right thing the fix it funded somehow create a way to fund it which means we pay for negative interest rates in here that could fund it but ultimately we would end up paying for it the tax payers but or just do away with it and take a different approach coach where your retirement is funded through your employment retirement plans on the problem is if you do away with it you know what happens to the money that i'll put in there so just gone no i think they figure out a way to make that work in in it'll be shifted back to you know your your retirement plan with your employees or something but it's an interesting thing another reason why we depre- you're so good at meeting eating with their class talking about stuff like this we don't want our clients to be completely relying on social security that's true not at all and so you know another benefit there you go the earlier are you can save the better the more you can save better that's right so anyhow interesting story philip really exchange traded funds past one trillion and assets what's going on on with that fixed income e._t._f.'s yeah so <hes> the amount of money in fixed income exchange traded funds pass one trillion last month <hes> and ascendance that has reshaped the market where countries in companies raise money to pay their bills sales just twenty years ago bondi didn't even exist i found that rather interesting <hes> they philip do favor for the listeners explain what a fixed income exchange traded fund is yes sir so a bond e._t._f. fixed income exchange traded fund all it is is if you it's a pool of money that goes out and buys the index so if you put a thousand thousand dollars into this exchange traded fund what they're going to do is going to take your money and on the flip side on the backside they're going to buy this bond this bond this bond this bond this bond to match match the exchange so that way it tracks the exchange okay now index exchange give me an example of one of the an <hes> equity index will be the s&p five hundred that's what i wanted you to say thank you good oh if you bought an an s._n._p. five hundred tracking index basically you put a thousand dollars in they're going to go by the stock this you know the match the s._n._p.'s movements now the problem with something like this is it's all a matter of what's backing your money so bonds are not like the the s&p five hundred bonds don't trade in vast quantities every single day every single minute every single second when you look at the s. and p. five-hundred just about every stock in there has a has a solid amount of volume gene so if you need out of your exchange-traded funds in the s._n._p. hundred most of the time yeah it's pretty easy to get out now if you get into a <hes> a volume team crunch on an e._t._f. like a bond e._t._f. <hes> it can get tricky you know because if you if you get five percent of the fund sales well they've got to go out and now sell five percent percent all these bonds in a market that could be illiquid because bond markets don't trade every day <hes> there certain bonds that don't trade at all and you're putting potentially illiquid securities into an e._t._f. which is supposed to be liquid and highly liquid you can run that can be a recipe for disaster and what and we've seen this happening in the past what happens when liquidity draza because on the flip side when you so you're e._t._f. well they the market maker has to go out and give prices as to what he thinks he can sell the assets in in the pool for and come back to you and say here's here's here's the price of the f. right now and the problem is is when there's no volume and no liquidity well he's on the hook the market makers the one that trying to make the spread so he's not gonna throw himself in a fire no no and take a hundred thousand dollar loss for everybody that's wanting to sell out he's going to look at you and he's going to say well i think i can get out at this we saw this happened in what was it twenty sixteen time yeah in the market literally dropped bike a thousand points in a matter of like minutes <hes> when the market opened that morning now granted it settled down and came back up water and went straight down and that's what happens when when when something like this happen yeah it it exacerbates the problem but in twenty years over a trillion dollars yeah why is the growth been so because it's easy it makes things easy you just by the a._t._f. and it's it's a one <hes> one decision thing people like easy yes they don't like easy easy don't let ease make you complacent though it's right yes they think i'm getting an e._t._f. it's a package product it's got these bonds in it but the packaging is very thin it's kind of like packaging packaging a puppy inside of wrapping paper that puppy still moving around on the great of that the off you know it's gonna tear out of that wrapping paper hey per the wrapping paper may not only two things is going to happen either the puppies terry out or it's going to suffocate right they with us you're listening to the tom depre- show newsradio six thirty w._b. news you want to now the heat wave book lakers gonna continue for about three days the news you need to know just over fifty one miles along or southwest border stay in the know check in for updates with newsradio six thirty telling you l. a. p. <music> hi this is tom depre- junior what does a good financial advisor do perhaps it comes down to asking the right questions instead of having all the answers for instance should i take social security <music> now or later am i really ready to retire is my money invested properly to pay me an income during retirement these are a few of the questions that might come up in your discussion with the financial advisor good questions questions are what a financial advisor may be able to help you with you will come up with the answers on your own if you're not sure about some of these things need a sounding board called a pre financial group at eight five nine to three three zero four hundred hundred or complementary appointment also you can listen to the tom depre- show on saturdays at seven a._m. at newsradio six thirty wwl a big that's depre- financial group at eight five nine to three zero four hundred six thirty wwl wwl a._p. you back on the tom depre- show why bond legend dan dan i is buying a._t. and t. stock <hes> it's interesting he can't find any yield out there in the bond market <hes> and he's is buying the stock of a._t. and t. because it's paying a six percent dividend exactly and that's so what is what he's been doing not not he hasn't changed his whole entire bond fund into into equities by any means but you know his goal is to his main goal in the fun which is <hes> lucille's bond fund ticker l._s._p. rx is to generate strong instead he returns <hes> which in a bond market it's notably lacking worthwhile yields he goes in he says <hes> go global money continues to find its way into the u._s. bond market but not solely in the higher yields to be sure the u._s. corporate bond offers an oasis positive yields in the world of debt market awash with an estimated thirteen trillion of negative yielding bonds lemme emphasis that point thirteen trillion dollars worth of bonds out there pay zero interest in other words we've gotten where interest rates are so low that you have trillions of dollars worth of of bonds out there in the world that pays zero they're just trying to make money on the trade is what are they what do they really doing paying somebody to hold their money just hold your money yeah it's zero so gosh it's like a tenure have along the bond term is ten thirteen fourteen year checking account where you've put the money in a noninterest noninterest bearing checking account it's all yeah you go to the bank to keep your money you pay them to keep your money because you think it's safer there that's right then in your in your mattress good analogy government good way putting it wow that's gay yeah well i think i talked about this we are we did a few weeks ago it makes you wonder wonder where that money's coming for yeah that's well and it's scary that that people out there are to the point to where they accept it and will buy trite because there's what else do you do and and i think that you know our biggest thing for our clients is trying to produce an income to meet their retirement needs yeah that's something similar to what this guy's trying to do is trying to produce strong sustainable attainable income so he's putting a._t. and t. and a bond portfolio one of the things yes so one controversial company fuss names is a._t. and t. which some sees is being challenged by debt load of over one hundred seventy five billion dollars that's a lot of debt <hes> much of which was taken to fund big acquisitions of direct t._v. and time warner time warner media plus it's <hes> investments to build out there five g. network finally there's a._t. and t. dividend which is all but sacrosanct to millions of individual investors a lot of people do invest in a._t. and t. four that income stream <hes> all those competing cash needs can be met if if management executes perfectly says when the fun couldn't buy long-term a._t. and t. bonds which trading long-term a._t. and t. bond trading blow face value and sufficient quantity on an attractive price he opted to purchase a stock instead the company's yield of just over six percent is about one point six percent higher than in the bonds which is a big attraction so when you're looking at the dividend would end of a._t. and t. is actually being is actually hired than what they're paying an interest in their bonds long-term bonds and a._t. and t. the equity woody has the potential to increase in price whereas bonds which it has recently you get paid at poor and on top of that we just talked about in the last break you can sell an a._t. and t. he stock tomorrow every second of the day it's it's it's priced every second today at eight t bonded could you know you you could take it could take awhile to sell it you know an a._t. and t. taken on a lot that have taken on a ton debt debt through acquisitions cetera done significant leverage buyouts but they're still paying that dividend yeah you know and it's to the millions in investors it's that dividend is far too important to be interfered with you know it's too valuable thank back right i think back to when you met with nestle remember what they said because that's a european company and i said did i if we cut the dividend we'd have pensioners out here thrown us in the late in the late yeah that's something very similar whatever right antique management you know they they hang in there they could you all right well and i'll just though some some metrics out there so you know a._t. and teas from a cash flow scenario just cash in the door out the door they're generating free cash which is operating cash cash less capital expenditures less the building out of your five g. grid <hes> of twenty about twenty three billion twenty four billion dollars the dividend is about fourteen billion so that leaves you with nine billion dollars in extra cash they're playing is the use that money to pay down debt that's where i talks about is if they if they follow that plan they can pay down the den <hes> but you've got to follow the plane right twelve step program that's right follow the plan debtors anonymous there probably is such a thing i'm sure somewhere golic the u._s. is overflowing with natural gas not everyone can get it boy that's for sure america's awash in natural gas in part of the country there's hardly a drop to burn earlier this year ear to utility's service new york city stopped accepting new natural gas customers in two boroughs and several suburbs xining jam supply lines at that last mile running into the city on the coldest winter days they said they couldn't guarantee they be able to deliver gas to additional furnaces never mind that the country's most prolific gas field the marcella shell shale is only three hour drive away meanwhile in west texas drillers have so much excess gas that they are simply burning it off they are roughly enough each day too few every home in the state at his nuts it is crazy i don't understand any plans i know and that's why they can't get it to where it it needs to be it's all about the pipelines man you can run air conditioning units on natural gas you know so it says the sprint in so this spring the price of natural gas at trading hubs near midland texas dropped as low as a negative nine million nine dollars per million b._t._u. british thermal units meaning that producers were paying people to take it off their hands a million british thermal units is enough to dry fifty loads of laundry you can't get gas you go electric is that is that today you have to i mean that's pretty much it's all about bottlenecks in the pipelines and what happens whenever you try to build new pipeline all the all their chairman lists all the environmentalists come out there's a yellow spotted lizard that you'll yeah do out of his own try you're you're going to pollute the water and all that stuff all right but natural gas is better some of the other alternatives natural gas is the cleanest fossil fuel out there that's right and there's plenty of it yup and there's a disconnect here folks one of the things i wanna talk talk about we got about a minute and a half left is that ed depre- financial group you get these kind of discussions going on about where we should put people's money <hes> natural gas is a part of our portfolio we we own natural gas pipelines and <hes> it's something that we do as an investment firm we are seeking to invest your money in a diligent way so that we can <hes> produce income for you for retirement living <hes> if you're interested in talking to somebody about this <music> call us at two three three zero four hundred citizen email depre- financial dot com look up on facebook that sort of thing come see us come see us it's a lot of fun yeah 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Look no I know, but I know they weren't added is not. Really I put him on Instagram, and you made fun of on Instagram, but anyways, so I like mountain bike anyway anyways, and that legal things just kindled my love, and now I'm a year and a half two years into. Trying to get out when I can't on trying to get out, got an hour. I'M GONNA go. It's it changes changes your life and your priorities and. A day without getting out to ride is not a complete day. Yeah, like I sleep better at night I'm happier I'm necessarily my wife. My Wife's getting into it a little bit too often. She's actually. Still frustrated and we're still working through the shifting thing by, but but she's way already gone up more times than I thought she would. Yeah, so that's pretty cool. So I won't talk about Ross to your brother. Rox I would definitely talk about Ross, but we had you on the public show. The right after transworld ended, so we're a week or were in some over that house things going. Then, don't don'the don't exaggerate. How's it going? It's good so at the time we did. Show right. We're. Still, in negotiations to purchase Transall Monaco. From American media, who bought it? We made an offer. They laughed at us. We made another. Offer me. You know you don't want. To start low of course but we're coming to an agreement like they said okay. That could work you know the. Satellite didn't know even got this far. Yeah. Yeah, that could work literally. That was a a Friday right, and then that weekend is when the Bezos Pecker scandal Oh. Okay the block. Yeah, right, we're or Pecker had pictures of bees, though sentences peanuts. That hit and we call them to fall out because they said they were going to call us Monday at noon. We call on the controllers all. Yeah, we're not interested in sign right now. We have some other businesses attend to and I say this is half the deal with the scandal. He goes no comment. And, call us back and I think he said six weeks. So we're like wow. Six weeks is a long time to sit around with our fingers in are but so. Tried more times and is pretty apparent that we weren't going to get to buy the book back, and I think the big nail in the coffin for us on that plan was. I had a subscription to transfer motocross that I bought also just so I could see when the magazine comes versus when we ship it. I got a letter in the mail. Saying you know transfer motocross ceased publication. Your subscription will be fulfilled with men's journal. Yeah so right there that takes the world's largest motocross magazine and makes it worth Jack Shit because can I say Shit on Yeah Yeah you could say it makes Jesse Jackson because there's no subscribers right, so it's like even if I bought transfer more cross back, I wouldn't get the subscription lists. Yeah, so, but losing, but losing the social facebook and instagram that that one hurts to start to start a brand especially because I started the instagram because my daughter's Dad. Check out this up. And, so without anyone telling me you know the social media experts, our I started Twa, Max, Dot Com, and you know and Chris before me started our facebook. Yeah, you know when when I was uninterested, so so we did these on our own. The instagram was registered to my personnel. Okay, so the at some point you to give give them ownership of it. Yeah, well, so after we started after on else in the company started. Catching on instagram thing you know the social media director, you said okay. Everyone has to give us the passwords and everything and they changed them all. You know we still have to pass. They had access to it. Yeah, and so when we got told that we were bought and Melby laid off the changed the already. Word by the time I pulled my phone out and tried to log in. It was I was logged out. So, we screwed up. You know what I mean the. Starting a magazine again. Like you said for obvious reasons. You weren't going to do it because now. You've lost your base, but. You want to get back into that. For a short amount of time right now, it was like dude. I'm print guy. We gotTA. Do Prenton. Lasted about one month, and then I was like. It was weird. Because you know everyone's telling me how prince dead dead prince tying, and because you know up to, my is in it I'm like no, it's good, you know my argument was. Hey. I told if I told. You know. Christen Craig Hey? You're going to be on the cover of the next transfer motocross? He pumped dude. What did we do or Do you do for the photo, but if I said Hey Christian. Wednesday wallpapers is the Christian Craig Edition and twelve pictures. If you he'd be like. Oh, cool yeah. I wouldn't even look at yeah, so I was of the opinion that print mattered right. Yeah, And I was buying magazines at the time I was still. subscribe to several titles, and like I was going to the store and buying mountain, biking, magazines, cycling, magazines and Photography magazines and My big pitch was like. Hey, you I want to. FIND OUT INSTANT INFORMATION I! Go on Google or gone website and I find something out and when ad POPs up, I get pissed and I close it. It's interfering with my search, or it's it's. It's delaying my satisfactory. The ads are part of the. It's right a hundred percent like yeah, so that was my argument. But then I noticed that once I was laid off from transworld and I was not. Producing a mega. I found myself not going to barnes and Nobles, improving perusing the newsstands and I found myself not even reading the magazine that showed up right. And it it's weird. I've looked at a couple magazine since in the last year, one of them was racer x I looked at it because they're on, said you gotTa look at the cover stock now. Yeah but. It's weird when you're when you're not in it, it doesn't matter. See I I get the print is dead. People I understand that and we're fighting hill battle racer x, because people think the consensus is like I. Don't WanNa read about Daytona in the magazine because I just watched it and I read everything online and we're. Not Daytona we're not talking about Daytona reports and the race we get it. We know that as well, but they're the features that I do in racer x magazine almost every month are some of the hardest working most time I spend. From from central and I'm trying to tell people like look. They're dirt cheap to get three issues of the magazine. It's it's it's not expensive anymore. You can get digitally on an IPAD, and now an in your phone and everything else, and we put so much more work at that magazine, and we do with an online article, and they're all different things that you'll never read. Yeah, I'll call this guy and do a backstory on this guy, and whatever and dude it. Just I. Don't know how we get people to realize that anymore. Yeah, I don't know it's just. The world has changed right like. You, know I i. think to unique daughters. Right and the data love to read books, though yeah. Can I get pumped when I reading books, but they don't look at magazines. They read books. Yeah, but I. I don't know everything is in this damn piece of machinery. That's pocket I had a person. Tell me an industry person. Tell me I never read the instagram captions anymore. I just look at stories. Like they're now at that point so now they've gone from I never read magazines, too. I only read social media to now. This guy says I never read a one caption on instagram post. I just look at stories yeah. Wow. That's where we're at. You were posting instagram's stories of like old photos and throwbacks of your family and growing up and three wheelers and stuff and riding along thing about the history of that photo, and what happened I loved. It couldn't get enough of it. I thought it was great. And then the to me that magazine I love to read I love to read a magazine and. Man I just we gotta get these people into realizing how much work we as a staff at racer. X did at transworld into this damn thing. You know it's funny as I thought. Okay, so we? We've started soft on a live right. Mike Dude life is good. It's going to be so wendy. Was the runner up for swamp mode alive Anton Modal Life. was that ever in the running? You know what's funny is is. The swallowed alive thing we started. You know the talk show, yeah! I WANNA say seven months before we. So we had that name and that's Kinda like the default. We just went with that because I've had a little bit of brand, wreck, recognition and equity. And the logo, and all that and I owned. Because when we? When? The. The opportunity to show came up. It was brought to me and frank. Wanted me to do it. Yeah, and so I take my bosses. Hey, I! Got This thing. I'm GONNA do this. You will get all the ad revenue for, but it's mine by quit I'm taking with me and he goes. Oh, well technically anything you do. Tanning to the sport is intellectual property, and I'm okay. Fuck you then I'm not going to bring it. You're not going to do it right, so you either get like you know twenty month or not or nothing. He's all okay. Yes, we shook hands on it so so anyway. Thankfully, they didn't pursue me Sean but Since trademark, name and the. Bs like it's funny, because when we started doing it I'm like we're just going to call it swapping alive. And I was a little bit hesitant about because it's like I, it's not all about me, I could not do this without anti. You know and could not do without chase or donny your dahmer like it's a team effort, but we went with it because it had brand equity already right, and it's funny because Jamie LSF twisted development. He's awesome guy. You know him result. Like he's the kindest most genuine giving guy. And he calls me and goes. Hey, man. How's things going? Because this was cool, he's. If you or anyone in your staff? Are Struggling with money right now. I'll hire you guys to just help around the shop to. That's how. I. Put Anton on the payroll for pulp, you for a month, or whatever like I, just said Hey, go to this race. You know pay you. Whatever like I didn't need to? But I was like. Hey, dude, let me help you so. But then we're talking and he goes. Can I tell you something or wedding us? I wouldn't call it that. I Any I just. You know like because people are egotistical. What I'm not doing ego, you know it's. Like. It's just yeah, it's easy. It's a good transition and he's all know because like you know. What if what if like? Your Guy Anton like he doesn't WanNa be known as like swap mode alive yeah. Yeah, and so I had a talk with Anton. He's like no, no, yeah. That's cool so. I I would say. First of all, it's not don my alive like your real name is Don Majeida Yeah. It's swap. It has a connotation tomato. Swap your nickname swap. You want to know. Motor came from where. I've been swap since I've been here ever. So when we finally got a our new website at transworld. Garth and got the website going on early days, and we signed in and I'll swap on on the on the. On the website that was my author name, Yeah but you at swap before them. Yeah. Something happened and I got locked out. And I had to create another username and swap was taken. Right Oh. So What do I do, garth and guard email was. G. M. X Moto okay at the time, so he's US Moros I made a swap motor, so swap motor was my username on the transition. Okay, yeah, it's fine because no one ever called me slop. SLOP, only person ever calling me smart motorways Jake Weimer. Swap Moto? But but yeah like no one calls me. Is just. So starting a brand from scratch. You've got a couple of guys cut. Anton got chased chasing. What's it like? Here's the thing is like. I didn't realize how easy I had. Trans was the editor in chief. Yeah like. Honestly I didn't even look at my budget's because. I only hire guys ourselves. Sufficient right and could right shoe photoshop video edit so like as opposed to like transworld Surf transworld skate that bias photos and by stories from people. We did everything ourselves right. I would have this big budget for bio. But I never used it, but we went far over on on. Teeny okay because we want you. Travel, okay because we had to go to every race right, but so if I'm way over here, but we under here bottom evens out right. But I never did all this like the biggest pain in my house was my Monday morning managers meeting yeah? Dude I'll tell you. The hardest part of my position right now is is. Worrying about the business end, yeah, thankfully, my wife is a bad ass. She's all that she has a fulltime job, but she works four ten hour days on Friday, she's mine, so she does the billing and stuff for me. Well I'm a much smaller operation, but I do all of that I. Do the billing I get I sell the ads. Yeah, I work out the payment structure I work out. The reads I. See! Do you have a hard time selling the ads and producing the content because? For me I wanted separate right. Yeah, because my ad guys can sell sell that, but then. I think it's easier because impersonal personal relationship with you. That's true. These people that I'm calling and I'm just like. Hey, Bro and. They're like yeah I. Know who you are or you know we. We got hammered in new. Orleans in one, thousand, nine, hundred, and so I. Know You are and you know I mean people have relations with so, but I'll tell you what I would love to have another guy I got Swiss. Gore got him Swiss score. The helps me. But he doesn't he just as the back end stuff the web. Travis marks helps out as well, but I would love to have a look at your operation. You Start I need a guy to sell at and to invoice and to like make a range podcasts and call people. You know, but. I. Don't know man. Yeah you know like honestly I. I could probably do something myself like just Anton or some on a lower level, but we're trying to do it. Yeah, bigger scale. So I I would have loved brought my whole staff from from transit mode over, but it you know financially. It didn't make sense right, so are you? Are you the same tax bracket you're before, or is this thing been? Hit Earning, a little bit more than half my previous salary. Okay, dude, the of life. Times. Right right? It's like honestly like. I came home right from the night, we got fired and. thousand January. The whole family. We just gone to the pair supercross. We. Also, we saw you there, and I was like I was the thing that was the biggest thing in my mind was like. Man I've been able to do so much cool stuff with my family like we just had awesome time in France. And I was like it's all over. I mean it's it's over will. We'll never get anything like that again. That cost a lot of money or you Rabin pork and beans and Rahman. And, so I was like in the huge. Like what am I going to do? You know my wife has a good job. but she didn't work for twenty years of marriage. I want to raise the kids. Since then she's. Got Back She's high up in this engineering firm and. I think the coolest thing is like. I came home that night and I was just like first thing I thought was like. We're losing her house, isn't that? Weird. But my daughter. Samantha she's A. Bye Bye bye degrees, anthropologist. Okay, but she's been working at the engineering firm with my wife since she was in high school. Odd. Job Showing peer work. She's a bad ass since Jack highly regarded their time and killing it, but and she just ghost dad, don't worry about food or whatever I'll buy the groceries and I'll pay whatever bills you needs. Do what you WANNA do. That's cool. Yeah, yes, it's sad moments in their growth, yeah! Never expected by kid to say that to me like. But I mean long story short. You know we're. We've been in the block since day one. Yeah, you know we. We've dipped in capital investment a couple times for a tiny bit hip but you know we're. We're paying. Five of us were paying. Commissions were covering all of our expenses, regarding the races and everything. It's awesome. Life isn't as deluxe but financially, but Free Fall Eli Awesome Yeah Oh. That's good. That's good too far more. Satisfaction you know like when I look at the website I'm so probably. Yeah, it's got to be a sense of ownership, right? You had that transplant though I did here's things that Trans World. I knew hard. I had to work to be better than all the other magazine editors in the building. And I knew a heart. I had worked to meet deadlines. Right yeah. And I also knew how hard I worked to be able to fuck off and ride bicycles all day. Because I got my work done. But because I own this now and I know the harder I work the more money. It was really hard for me to turn it off and I realized that because. You'll understand this so in two thousand. Eighteen Maestro urine total was like almost four thousand miles. And last year was eighteen hundred. Oh yeah, because idea right right until like this year I was like I gotTa know close a computer and ride and. Do something for myself but Uh School. It's good. It's satisfying is growing. We're making ends. Meet I just think there's so many people that still don't know about. The like lot of people like California's pretty well saturated in the know right, but like there's been some race events. I've participated in this year like the world vets last year. So people come from all over the country right so walk around the pits and my gear with areas, Dad So many people kept me Don. My head to I love your stuff. What are you doing? I haven't been able to find a transient anywhere. Don't. Know when you get out there and you realize it's. I, did these videos for you when I worked for one year at transferred the bike band? People Still Watch you, yeah. It'd be like dude I see in the bike and videos and I'm like Oh. Cool bike. Then, what are you doing now? I'm like what they're like. Yeah, what are you doing now? I'm like well. That was two thousand and ten. Yeah and I'm. Pulp amax racer you know I. It's you. You understand how big everything is and how much you know, because you and I I mean at Anaheim Obama anybody that knows us knows what we're doing, but It's a whole other world out there like you say. You started AMEX. Racer started transworld star Swat mode alive, and you worked at dirt rider when they had like a pretty formative modo section going on. What was the funnest? I'll right now two hours. Yeah, because I own it, yeah. I was thinking trivial and I was thinking back in the day. Sorry. Back in the day when the salaries are higher and budgets for free, or maybe there was. More going on, that's all. No, because I'll tell you what like at at Cycle. News terrified of Jack is my editor. Okay, that terrified? But I. Love that guy that guy in my work i. don't even know what that is to be honest. I really don't. Like gnarly, so wasn't your boss. Now No keels associate editor. Okay, so jack was his old dude from Atlanta hired me. I came in and I remember like after like two or three weeks. He pulled me in and he showed me. The edits is making on the locals. He pulled up one a Tony he's. He's all look. You missed this. You missed this, you missed. Your a real big disappointment right now. Though you're going to be out of here, shape up. It's like Whoa, but he was. He was so hard on me like. I attribute a lot of my my managing style to him. He would be like. Know you're not going to the races with that faggot hair? Because had long. Because he gave me this lame cycle news hat red quarter I cycle is you're wearing this and you're pulling your ponytail the back. Like like that. Like gnarly like if you if you're. If you're. He found I took my my girlfriend at the time Eileen, my wife their. Own Hands of their in the pits, your professional desk. Anyway, so he was gnarly cycle news. Super scared. Jack his whole time, and then he finally retired poker others. Takeover and Paul was awesome. I loved working with him He's very supportive and encouraging, so I really enjoyed my Paul others. Years But then dirt rider offered me a job. Following in Ken Fats Footsteps Because you know, he went to jared before me, and then I, went to a writer. And who's your boss there? While alternately, Tom Web, oh, tall and fought was the F.. And, but wolf met was the the high. But can was gnarly on redid like we're. We're buddies, but he wanted to make sure I knew he was the boss, right? Like there'd be times when my phone would ring I, being my office. Come over here I'd be. I'd run over there. Yeah, what's up? What do you need do need handed me the keys to his truck and say. We're on the fourteenth floor. Yeah! Hey run these five helmets. That just came down to my truck. I'll come on really. I. Don't like that stuff and it's funny because he would do that kind of stuff, yeah! And now we're great friends. Laugh about it, right? So then I was. Were you? Dirt Rider I was the editor of Moto secretary so I was right. Then that was that. Was Your thing then okay? Was An insert into every issue. HIRED MY I. I Title was Tester. Okay so I was in the testing. Then there is Wheelers where they put new charges Testa like there's like a fourteen fifteen page motorcross, only section, and so that was cool. Yeah, good colors like bright colors and. In charge of that, and then we did a sap like a one time. Okay, like the dirt rider motocross special, and whatever and then I got kind of fed up eventually with being errand boy taking stuff day so I told Tom Webb I'm GONNA quit. And got to school or something. You can't you can't and so I pitched the idea of starting A. Bimonthly motocross magazine which was Amex razor. So also. That was your. You pitch US your idea. Be Fair, cannon I pitch, okay. But I was the editor. And even when I was there because dude, you gotta think about like this Peterson publishing. Yeah, to start a whole magazine from scratch. That's a huge thing. Yeah, but you know it was me. As me and Mitch, Iki Modem Art Director Okay and but even there there was some weird. Power plays like when Jeremy was going from Suzuki to Yamaha, but he knew he was leaving Yuki, but didn't know where he is going like. Mc and our tight right, so I, had photos of Jeremy Doing knickknacks on number, two Suzuki Honda. Okay right. Radio for the yeah and I remember had it and Ken went to Tom and said. Where the big title we want, Oh yeah. Because yeah he dont. Has We deserve? and. Losing my mind, to her. -ducted Dennis. Cox a little while ago. Remember Ketchup. Yeah, and he said Jodi and him got into it because Jodi couldn't do that, but Jodi was pissed that Cox would get things for super motocross that Jodi wouldn't get and it was a huge thing and I'm like. Why don't you all? Family, no, no, no, for sure so so then you know just by chance. I ran into Brad McDonald at the Gio Brad founded ride BMX, BMX and sold to transworld media Yep and he's. He said Hey. We must are motocross magazine, and you're the guy and I have to give credit to my friend. Warren! Johnson, marijuana! It's a using. He's back with Fox now. In Atlanta, I believe. He was Brad's neighbor. Okay, and he was like Don's that guy. Yeah Yeah so that was. Two Thousand We're used. A racer is still around and. I was still. Ended when you left like the oil lasted one more day. Oh. That's right. Cooley took over. So I had I had hired So I. was just and Meyer director. By monthly disease, the whole magazine error my mind tour directors like no dude. You GotTa hire. We want you to hire somebody. So. I hired a guy named Cameron Courtney away from Cycle News. 'cause Clayton College right, scabby, right, right? We didn't really Jive I didn't really appreciate his work, ethic and stuff so I let him go, and it was just me again, and I was happy as a clam. and. The whole book together, though, just one. Guy Yeezy really cause by blindly. So then. They wanted me to hire someone again so right so I was like. Did. So I hired a guy that I liked hanging out with I. Knew I. You know, teach so higher him Corey Noor Okay. And, he was so fun to work with. You know like I taught him stuff and. He was there and when I wanted up getting the opportunity to go to to transworld I resigned and Corey stayed and they hired a guy named Jerry. Dyer from England Oh, takeover razor I remember that your guy was a Kook yeah, and anyway so. Garth mylan was a editorial intern dirt rider under Ken okay, and can we just abuse him in run into the ground Taivon Alison? I knew Garth, not he is cool in my dearly want to work again. Or, do you WanNa? Come with start this new thing, and he's like aw, come with you, so garth and I started transworld and began two thousand and. It was fun I learned a lot from. Brad McDonald to Yeah Know Brad. Vital vital. And so. He. Where did he leave? He left transworld to start vital. Yeah, so I want to say. Brad. Times Mirror was our first owner. Okay Brad had sold his magazines BMX magazines to Times Mirror Times Mirror publishing on transfer motocross relaunched Then we got. Bought by. Time Warner. Time Warner News and Brad's contract. Non Compete expired. And one day. He called me to his house. I went to his house Mike what's going on? He's like I'm leaving. And on SICOM, man, yeah, and so he left to go start vital, and he was like. Oh I can't afford you now but I'm GonNa Come? Get you someday and cocaine. Because like I. Really like I really respected him so much from and. I was in my head. I'm going to work vital. I'm someday, but. Then the new owners came in and. Worked? Yeah! Transient kept building in crazy to build two titles like that from scratch a little bit. Couple of things here, five racing race podcasts with Don later presented by the folks at a rental in Max's well and race tech cadre been around forever. I'm sure you had Paul. Is the smartest guy. He talking to that he is and pulp, twenty zero zero to save it. Raise Tech, DOT, com and get your motor work done. Get your suspension. Work done couple of things. I love it during this covid nineteen thing I've been going back and renew old cycle news is. and. I've seen more than a few bylines of David. Coons Don Matea. Yeah, like that that that is hilarious. You guys were. Friendly rivals for a Long Time magazine business and in anything and then the times you guys were writing together for cycle news team out for nation. It's funny as Shown you that old AMEX, racer. Ever. I Have David Stories in that. Yeah, he he come. Right Max Razor. He was the East Coast Guy Right like he I think he would hit up everybody, be like Hey, guys! If you need an east coast national covered. Yeah, I'll do it. I remember I used to like give him shit. When I was at cycle news because I'd read stories in raise REX newspaper, right? Yeah, and he would steal my writer quotes and put them knowing what no, no, no, not they're not there. He was a contributor, Dir writer yeah. He would use my cycle his quotes in his garage. I got that quote, but when I see a byline of both you guys. What happened there? How does that work? How does that you both have the race? Yeah, nobody gets to riders. Cover the one. Okay or something like that okay? Yeah, so I was wondering. How would they do this? But Larry to see that in cycle news. Yeah, together you know. Donald Davie Cooper bodies. Yeah, right in for cycle news. So ironic that we're in Jeremy Ray shop here where we just filmed for yourself alive thing because right now Kobe where you normally shut down. Your biggest controversy. WAS A Career Jeremy McGrath photo shoot where he was switching from Fox. The no fear and you got a photo of him and. He was the first ever podcast I did which he was ripping me. He ripped you in that hot cast. Yeah, the two thousand. Whatever. Whenever. Oh, here's here's what happened. There is like Mc our buddies right and I had a lot of like super exclusive. Access to him because we're good friends, right and Jeff Sir Wall was a sponsor at no fear when he was a fox rider for casual and. Jeremy used to set it up for me to go down there and get close right and select. It was so cool. He gets good. No fear, take a shopping cart, whatever t shirts and everything you wanted, and you know because they made a lot of stuff other than the DUMP T. Yeah, flannels, jeans and everything so. I would always give Sirois photos. Of Jeremy for free it, whatever I wanted to like You know like a lot of the posters that they sold were my photos. And I remember when. He was making the switch from Fox the no fear. I was also at Obviously I'm ex racer, but AMEX Razor Dir, are we? We published the supercross. Yearbook that you're okay, we had that contract and say Searle's Hey. We need photos of the year and I go. Hey, also. I need a photo jeremy for the cover the supercross program. And he's yeah. We need add photos and. All this. I go yeah, no problem and He what's going to cost going to nothing cost nothing, but what I want is I want the first set of no fear gear of any media, people I. WanNa, debut it. And he goes deal and I go okay, so we go supercross track I, should all the photos slide film at the time? Developed slide film gave every single slide to know fear. except the one for the cover of pearls. And we agreed on. And then so Amex Razor Dorado. We did not have a website at the time racer outta website. I got you know. In between MOTOCROSS DOT COM, chat. Racer x what are you know? Pictures of no fear on website. Some like. I'll do you screwed me? You said I thought you may wear no fear of no you WANNA. Don't you WANNA don't want it to gear. Yeah, yeah, a photo gear, or whatever yeah I wanted to break in the audit. Yep, but. It was on racer. X's website I'm like dude. And he goes well. You don't have a website. We had this agreement as well all right. Here's what you could do. And he gave me aback. A picture of Jeremy Staying there in the year and Jeremy had a column editorial. Guests airtel call them Amex razor. You could use this in his column. He actually wrote a you wrote for him I. wrote a Farka but I wrote RC's to who who wrote his own Adam really for transfer now. trae I wrote trae arts for Racer X, but I talked to on the phone at least no toxic. Oh! But anyway so all well. Here's his picture. I. Go Kay sick. And Mike to. Tear sheets are GONNA come out like December twenty, six, twenty seven. And he's on go ahead. If Fox wants to get tough, he's not writing. His contract says he can't ride. Standing there. Like! I teed wasn't in my twenty year. Deal right, so did it should hit the fan. And Jerry said it cost him thirty thousand dollars, I think. I think it might be more than sixty thousand. I think it's like six sixty thousand, so Fox lost their mind. Yeah, so Fox's are mind comes out early and I I. was I, heard about like? Shit. Yeah, so I go up to Jeremy in the. We'll call lion at a Anaheim minimal. He did. You know. This thing wall told me picture, and he looked at me. He's like that's not what he said. And all, Mc said was like it's GonNa! Take me a while to get over this dude. and Sir all wouldn't take my calls Oh show that and like. He threw me under the bus. He I he told Jeremy. Kept that photo on Yucky. But. It was nothing. Intentional part. Yes, I was the boss. I was the editor. Yeah. I should have known better, but. I was like so like a five year. Thing with you Jeremy. Where all twelve years twelve year, you guys wouldn't talk. Yeah, we didn't talk. And then it got worse, too because by guilty by association. Jeremy Win Doctor Garth. When I started transworld because this happened havoc tracer so my transworld. McGrath's still raising. And Yeah. He wouldn't talk to Garth and Garth grew up with German Canyon Lake Okay, and so they were. Bras. His Jeremy with blow them off right because just because he worked for me YEP and so kind of like. You know your guard started like taking little shots at him in the magazine. Let it happen. And I think the worst was Anyone Jeremy Retired with the with the BUD light year US some gear and said Hey. Push the stuff because we have a lot of it. So garth put in the magazine, and his caption was like. If you're man enough to where this bud light year, they have a lot laugh because there's somebody that wasn't man enough. No way you just believe right and so I'd seems I'd like Garth to do that, but yeah, but to. That's kind of GNARLY A. Same! Got Worse and worse and worse and worse and Finally at Trans Remote across. We did that humor. We did the award show presenter for one of LAS, Vegas, so I did I did want at the growth the growth, okay, so the Las Vegas was the first one. And I was like Rockstar wanted to present the lifetime achievement award and I'm like. We can't give it to anyone but McGrath first one. Yeah, you know I'm not gonNA. Give it to Roger. Dacosta McGrath is the hero of our era. I gotta give it to Jeremy. And I was like man. He hates me. Do this, you know. so I I reached out to Victor Sheldon. And I said Hey i. need your help patching things up with me and MC. And bickers like okay I'll talk to him then he calls her us not that good. Reach out some senator emails. Yeah so I send Jeremy along email I. would say there was like five six back and forth. Yup and he's like not into it and finally go look, Dude. You're hero of our era. I'm giving it I'm awarding it to you whether you want or not maybe. Come accepted on your behalf and I think at that point. He was like Oh, he's going to do this anyway. So he came to the show. And he accepted it, and we shook hands and. We like cautiously rebuilt our ship. And, so that was what ten years ago now but. He such an awesome guy, because once he says he forgive you. Yeah, he really really does. And I was always uncomfortable around. I'm still like, but if he showed up at Paul and I, was there something hued? Make it a point to walk over to my truck. He'd on. WHATSAPP. Talk them, so there is like these little baby steps of building a friendship back, and then I blown away Duda at San Diego. supercross was the race after we all got laid off. I was Donnie it might my ass Jerem manager. He's like let's. Let's go watch the race. You know you're not working the race still working the race for no reason I 'cause I created as more life, squarespace website, and still did. How's your weekend? Still did podcast and stuff, but as far as watching the race I wasn't gonNA. Get down there and shoo photos in that mud. He's let's watching Jeremy's sweet. All's like kind of hesitant about it. You know, but I'm like okay. I went up there and. I remember Kim came at smells like you need a beer. You don't have in your hands. So Nice, that's cool. Jerk comes to me like grabs me by the neck. Kinda like chatree did the BOA. and. He Goes Hey. Fucker you better not, you'd better not quit. Keep going. We need your voice. And I looked at like thinking dude. He saying this to me. Yeah, after all we've been. He goes. No, you need to keep this going. We need you. The sport needs you and I'm like Oh okay? And then we're talking because what's IT GONNA, take to get transferred back and know that was one was a very. I think at the high end you know our investments be like a million bucks because you know. We get the magazine back for seven years. Starting capital. He's home. So hard about that and I'm like. I got a million bucks. You know their differences. I've worked on this. Sally? supercross title Bro Tiles any salt to do. You don't believe in yourself i. go now I believe in myself is million bucks. People buy houses for a million bucks. They finance it over thirty years. You can tell me you can. A point and I was like. In the words that he said to me, that resonated. RECYC- businesses and hard. It's only hard because you haven't done it. And I'm all. Easy for you to say do. Plaintiff fall back on. If you're you're ventures, don't pan out or whatever and he's a hell of a guy, but he said he said to me he goes. Fuck it I'll buy it for you. And I looked down and I was like Oh. You're going to buy it for me. You WanNa, be a magazine publisher news not really, but it'd be a good way to kind of ensure that I still get some coverage and I'm all. You get covered for me anyway in the car on the cover this year. And but he was super supportive. Because then I was in the R V was y'all mark. He was in a semi. He wasn't supposed to be in I was interviewing someone vk up and he's like slaps on the knee. What the Hell Don. Are we buying a magazine or what? was going to back. Yeah! I Have Jeremy Immigra- and Ryan Ville Puerto Bro saying they will give me money to be transferred back and I'm like. Wow, that's pretty cool. Magazine must matter if people want to do this, you know. But as it didn't, it didn't turn out the way it did and That's pretty cool, though yeah, pretty awesome. I always bug RV and I. Get them going. I'm just like. How much money you when you log log into my bank every day right and I just look at my bank balances. When you see all these Zeros. What's set like you said? What do you mean what you mean and he's gets really awkward. Weird and I'll do it publicly to on the show, and let's be like how much money you have like right now like in your one account that you can get to. He's like. Oh, it's all tied up. He just doesn't like he doesn't want to go there and gone. Go here. What's it like? What's it like to just know that you could buy if you want something to eat by, you know no matter what it is. Buy It. He's not now that's. Okay so he's tells you the same thing. Yeah, your your big brother Ross. There isn't too many people in industry. That's smarter, Ross. Mehta started enzo worked pretaped. Be Forever started ends a suspension Seriously one of the greatest guys in sport growing up. Was He. Super Smart the whole time about motorcycles and. Kind of an age difference you guys. You know that he's fourteen years old. GUYS SO I. I mean he was. Like was. A full accident right? Yeah, like I mean. Ask My mom later. IRA well accident. Oh You! But I mean Rossi John were like. Dad To and dad three okay. So. Yeah, I mean i. a little kid and Ross was the bat house your ten. He's four. Yeah, he's already full in suspension stuff and you know my earliest memories of my brother. Ross was in a bad ass motocross razor. You as a top pro and California's okay. Race I didn't know he's good at it, but yeah yeah. So Hughes just always Ross the race. And then I remember he got a job. SUBCO-. A distributor Mikuni carburetors. Yeah, I, remember being a little kid and he was designing us dry because he's very cystic drying carburetor. I think it was for a sticker or something drying, so I remember rows drawing carburetor to and I'll Jenkins stuff, but. he worked at said, go first, and then he became a test rider for k. y, okay through through ocoee Goto who's a very good family friend of ours and he's he's the man who invented the quad. Oh, really versus the okay I just did one with Gary. Didn't we got? Do Yeah, yeah so. Anyway, so Ross forever has been a Motocross Industry Guy Eraser. And the guy that I looked to the most for motocross. he. Like I wasn't allowed to ride when I was little. Because my brother John broke his leg very badly and wasn't I remember him being a cast for like a year. Like a full full femur and you know my mom was like. Oh, Donny's knocking ride dirt bikes and get can't hurt. And on top of that, like all three of us were asthmatic, and this is as Mannix. In our youth, but because I wasn't allowed to do anything Azima. I got super fat when I was little. I didn't do anything and so. Much of my life, and my oldest brother John because when I was in junior high. Ross I think two or three dollars. But he, he I'm was like farting around. One ten like riding around with open face helmet, smoking a cigarette riding around in the dunes on the trail. And he told my dad like Your Dad, Don's a Dork. Doesn't have any friends and he's fat. He has no self. Confidence in every kid needs their things. Let's let me let's let by three wheeler I'll take him riding with me and stuff, so that's was thriller starting at three. Willing just trail riding I. I became cool to my friends. Because I did something they didn't do. And it gave me the self confidence. You know the little self esteem building, three wheeler change in life, but but then you know the whole time Ross is like you're ignorant thrillers. You're stupid, but as Ross when you're when you're into Moto, or maybe you went into Modem. It was three wheelers only, but like. At some point, there's such a big age difference Ross's in Europe or doing work with Hannah and working with these. You're just a kid still yeah, so I. Don't remember that you don't even remember that kind of stuff. Okay? Yeah, I remember he would go to Japan and beyond. He already is GonNa. Be The coolest thing ever if you remember it. Yeah to be into the sport and then your older brother. Wasn't allowed to ride. This new Ross is really good at riding their bikes and I knew he was important somehow. And I knew that he would come home and bring me the supercross. T shirts. and. Extent of it I mean. You really didn't know what you're. Doing, yeah and then when I started racing the three wheeler thing he always, he embarrassed of me, telling me I was on instead Jimmy White Dude. Good money and he's I'm like Jimmy White. Sick and he's like. Jimmy White's goon. But. He knew him so jersey. Jimmy on on the to with the green jt gear me do the best solid look, open face helmet. Yeah, yeah, there's mustache saying. Ross is super like. Embarrassed having a little brother race. So then you know. Quads came out and my dad lost. Interest didn't want to spend money quad, so then I started writing. Ross's leftover on five okay. Then I started writing in the hills Ross, and then I really realized his his reach importance in the by that time he had already started enzo racing garage. Yeah, because he was full-time year this about what do you think this is? The year that I started riding dirt bikes was like eighty four. was around back then. Yeah, it was a side. Gas Garage Yeah. I don't remember what year he went fulltime end zone and gotta cut. Contract with. But? Yeah, he used to do ends a racing out of his garage at his house and. Mary I remember when he did the big switch Yup but the year. But yeah, so you started like? Getting into Moto now you're talking to Rick Johnson or Hannah or Dacosta, and they're telling you your brother all the way. Those guys particular but people important people are probably talking to your brother, and how smart he is, and how awesome is right like yeah? That'd be pretty cool. You know so then when I started riding Moto them and thinking motor was awesome. Yeah, he would pick me. The supercross in pit passes yet right so I remember the first one. I went with a pit bass with Ross and it was. Me and Kurt route, you know. Of course, so Kurt Rude was my my brother's little protege. And and our is so funny. I was always competing for US hurt from. Berg Yeah Berga Berg, racing yeah, but I was always competing for Ross's attention with Kirk. 'CAUSE, Ross. Kurt was writing mini-bike and I'll still riding a three. Yeah, so. Cooler Austin. But anyway, so's three of us. Went this super. Cross and Kurt Narrow pumped walking hits and I had this distinct memory of where we had to park at the call him to Walk Across Exposition Park to get pits. Dug Do. doo-bok was walking in his gear, pulling his gear bag. And he's walking on my God. Dude, that's. D. Walk any like hits Ross in the back. He rose. Yeah, they're also DR D has. Just talked Iran, DR D And it's funny. Because at the time I had this gnarly mullet right, okay? Like the kind of Mullah with front as Yeah and I had a full Larry Ward like the Larry Haas spiked in the. And I had Oakley Blades on. Right right didn't have everybody back there and I remember. We're walking and we're getting into the bits and I want to say Guy Cooper and Fred Anders, are there? And Andrews looks at me. Look. It's the Chinese terminator. I just remember thinking. But then I was like fuck that guy. So. Yeah pretty cool to grow with with a guy that's. Almost everything in the industry Ross I mean, and then you know I got my first dirt bikes and stuff like I bike that I bought myself. My own money was eighty seven Honda CR to the Aria and Rossi. Brings Home David Bailey's plastic for me. y'All's before full graphics right so it was the wing the American flags. Yeah so I had four couldn't have been an eighty seven because Bailey got hurt any six six. Okay are Johnson. Right okay, but. Yeah had just hit at the sick and the back fender with a one piece. Stick Auto. You brought everything. The best, and then you know like, and then in eight I switched to Suzuki's and. He got me George Collins Helmet. Like the colour colors one up with the numbers painted or they yeah, and I had. It was just like Ross would bring these treasures. For sure just be freaking out, you know. Yeah is crazy. Brother Ross that was I mean he's just. He's been so influential in the industry. And you know I worked with them with a few writers over the years and I mean these riders they love. They love them. When raw showed up? It was well a couple of things. Hey We got our team. Says Test Guy. You know he's good. We like everything else. Eight Ross is coming out like the big big deal today. You know what I mean like like. We're GONNA. Get some stuff done today with Ross and I always remember Ross. Whether it was neck or the factory guys or WanNa say I worked with the McKay with. It's a little bit. There's no ego on right. There's not like he's the smartest guy in the room, but he's not gonNA. Tell you right and he would always. I. Remember him dealing with certain suspension. Guys that you know there's always ego right? You WanNa be the guy that fixes it and Ross would be. You could tell he was like. I. Don't think that's GONNA, work. We can try it. You know what I mean. And then eventually the Rawson sort of. Appear to be politically correct. There was an Oem suspension guy k y be going. So much politics hundred percent. You don't even think about it. Yeah, like Rox Put on show was on a Suzuki. Or Vice Versa even? is like things that Ross has invented. Yeah. Factory let them put it on the bike because he didn't think they didn't, they didn't do it. Yeah, absolutely, no I talked to Dag poison was Dad Ivan obviously I mean I've had some great ideas and they're like. Yeah, no, that's not. We're not putting on our bike. Yeah, we didn't come up with that. That's not our technology right so you're totally right. The most recent Moment I had where I was like like off warm and Zia proud to be Ross brothers. I go into the Yama truck to do. How was your weekend? Barshop y'all dude? I got to work for your brother. This week! You never worked with them before. Know what this was the first time it never worked with them. Yeah, I guess not Honda and yeah show up. BHARTIA was POB. Brothers so smart. By remember, he was bragging as bike making progress around three on yeah, yeah. Barsha is pump. And I remember. Talking to Ross Ray around the KAYLA's time I don't know just like. This guy so cool. He's so cool he's just like. No Ego Super Smart Guy tells stories like you know, and if he doesn't know sub, he'll be like I. Don't know you know, and he'll just admit it, and just like this is kind of Guy I. WanNa be I. WanNa be a guy like that I. Think who's like you know. Everybody likes and everybody respects I mean there was at one writer I worked with over the years. It wasn't like you know like I can't wait to Ross Ross. Ross, what do you think? That's it. That's the ultimate kind of respect that you get and I know the cost. Her feels that way and people who worked with him the whole year. I've like you and I. Nobody likes. I've told this story before, but I I. It's it's so funny. I have to tell you like My Dad passed away. I house like? January second or something that you're that. He passed away and it was like that weekend was Anaheim. You and I went to, and I'm wanting for us day and I was like I have to work I've to do this. In Roger Dacosta with me as hot honey I'm so sorry. I Heard About Your Dad. And I was like. Thank you I. Think it was just can't believe it. I can't believe it and I was like thinking like 'cause. My Dad knew plenty of people. Okay back in the day when you build and Ross's bikes. But also you know how the he could have met Roger. Ross New Roger Back. And I go you knew my dad? Pretty Wallis Hi out. He used to do my suspension. Like. Doug. Was the bright point my day. That's probably the first time. I laughed after my dad really right. Like oh sorry. all. That's funny. Racer x Flyer, racing racetracks podcast dot, my presented by maxis and. And rent all good stuff man well. Hey, thanks! Thanks for down here and all black shot swallowed alive. You doing podcasts with me so for racer experts did. There's no time limit on this well, that's A. Dude! We had so much fun this morning riding around Bikes Yeah and how much fun! Factor does it RV bring to the. He's amazing. He's incredible, and that's I brought Callan from racer, X and I and I. knew the industry, but he you know he's into this stuff. And I said to you you gotTA. You gotta get the experience like you just got to get that experience. And when he comes into pulp show in Vegas for something, he comes in and. Yeah he's just. He's a whirlwind of of Awesome S.. Texas you, wait and make it awkward Steve Yeah, because I interviewed Kelly it'd be. Like refunding months before we all got clip, I ended up going with Austin. Roar I just wanted to calendar Experience Ryan. Glory there as could have been far if he didn't have to go. Look at that mansion by. Exactly right, but we went on a ride. We went on a group ride last weekend or last Thursday or Friday. It was Brian Lopes leading us. On a regular bike because he's an animal, but it was Rv Coal Sealy Era Myself Charlie area I brought Danny. Wilson General Manager Kenny Taco Bell Oh. Yeah, Okay Taco Bell's Mountain William No. It was a second mom bus rider. Did he still says I screwed him? Because I like, you'll be alright. Because RV told me about the ride that he did previous. Sky came with the flat pedals. He'd never really written mountain bikes. Mo RV said this guy did it and he's fine I go. Troy, lease common older than me and I hold, so you'll be fine. Dude Kenny was eating Shit I. Guess He has poison Oak Oliver's whole body. Physics crashing into the bushes. Then some of the stuff lopes took on was gnarly. I was fine with it because I've thankfully I've done it much down, but but RV. He was telling you about he shit. Yeah, yeah, we're going to rocks. Their steps section looped out, and he goes, and he goes the right, and I'm client behind him. And the boxer are. Kind of lost control, and then been caught off guard by the. for He looped out at the top loop shot, and he felt like three feet down straight on his back in his hands on the bars, and his feet are still connected the pedals. He looks like a turtle upside down and they need tumbles down the next one. Atlanta tires, and then goes on the next one. It was do I thought he was going to be hurt and he gets up and he's just laugh. No He's. He's one of her client and. We were talking about in your show. It's a lot of people. A lot of media didn't like them when. Didn't like they just felt intimidated when they couldn't get anything out of them, he would just mumbles answers, or you know what I mean. And you and I got to know behind the scenes, and he was incredible. Yeah, I would go in there. If if STU had the fastest practice time I'd with like I'm like it's raining yellow. Bro He looks good, and like most guys would be so spot he was like. Yeah loved it. You know and I just be like he looks good. Tonight stewed. Like how many racers could you ever say that to it? Was it was that was it so it was phenomenal to to have out there today? You know cool about today is He's he's good on a mountain bike. Yeah, he's really good, and it's He. He does stuff on it that like gnarly mountain bike. Like, he did this big drop. He had on his instagram. But the last time we rode, we were hauling ass out, and there's this giant double that I've been looking at forever. and is me and the area was behind me and our viewers last, and all of a sudden area comes up I, did it? I did it because I went around. Yeah, and I go what? Did that pig. Jump I go. Oh, let's go back on a C. Do it, and then I'll try it, so we rode back to it and RV followed him. The nary comes haul ass on the corner, and he sends it in sends it behind me and I'm thinking Oh sick. I'm GONNA do it, too, and then they kept going. Fuck, do by myself I got on my bike and. I've been thinking about that jump. Yeah, for like two weeks right and so today I'm just like hey. I'm going to follow your that and we're gonNA got it easy, but we we pedaled. Assist assist cuts off at eighteen miles an hour gone. There's no way I'm GONNA. Make this jump, but I'm watching him and he's peddling with his like Ginger Lake. Especially autobiography like if you just keep, the speed is not a lot of you. Know motorcross stuff. You gotTa Yeah. Yeah, but it was awesome. It that's. Fun Yeah then you pressured me into that other one. RV Did and you're like. Oh, he did it, yeah! I did anything. I'm not doing anything, but I'll watch you guys. and. We saw that eleven year old that huge gap. Yeah, Jeeze I think I'll probably say the next time we go back. He's GonNa hit that. Out of shame. Yeah, maybe I'll Let's, let's end this thing though 'cause I gotTA head up to the desert, but before we do that. Jazz seven now. You're the you're. The media got its closest to James Throughout his whole career. I'm probably second. I had a good relationship with them. We texted a lot. I had the heads up on a few things with him and stuff and I think he liked the fact. That I had an audience. He can bring, but you were without a doubt closer to them. Maybe, it's the minority thing I don't know. We, did you say? I was joking well. We used to say the minority. Stick together. Okay, that's why we say blocking yelling. Look back a little bit. He came out to Orlando. Tampa came up in Tampa. Tell you this, but he's in Tampa. He. A here is there dude? It's so funny I got this James's here. James is here. All right I'm like Oh, I got to see him. And so obviously go to the white I tell Roger I got see I. GonNa. See James, yeah, and he goes okay. He says he wants to you, so it's like he will see you get. He will graduate audience so then I go to the motorhome, and he goes and Rajshahi. Ever you no I just WanNa. See Him yeah, and so I go on there and I'm like. I was actually kinda nervous to see him. Right I'm like I. Go in there and he's like what's up China. It's the same old. And so I sat in the motorhome in goofed around them for. Quite some time. I forgot I think I got him to do something for my blog in the motorhome, said some. Oh I was like. Oh, hey, I found Elvis. Much but. Then, you know we joked around or whatever, and then I ran a newman, the tunnels afterwards yet walking with his kids, and and after the race when I was doing. The Howard weakened areas and stuff was like. Hey, let's see. How was your weekend? Because okay, and so then he did it, yeah. We. Go. How was your weekend James is like? Oh, I didn't qualify. But It's good to have him back. I wish he'd come up more. I've texted with them back and forth. I didn't see that weekend. I went to go see him, so they said Oh. He's. We're talking to Chad right now. And I went over there, and they were gone other that I wasn't going to text them or whatever, but I always liked James. Did he do some weird things? Yes, one hundred percent I think he was a had so much money so much fame that he got a little weird at times. Would you agree? That and he was managed by people that I think he didn't trust. No really yeah things happen. And Yeah early on remember the year. He was at the US Open for pressed and. That was a mental freak Yup Yup. I always found him to be engaging I was around the cow chuck a lot with red dog when he rode there and he didn't like Fisher Fisher then but. I found engaging and funny, and and really like honest away from the cameras as you did I'm sure. And he knew he was good, but he was funny with it. He's a little bit like. A little bit like a little bit like that and I'm glad he came back but I wish he'd do a little bit more stuff. I think he says. He says his first thing he's going to do is. Come on the woman Really we'll see. I'm like dude. Am I going to have to fly you out first class or something? They actually. There was a point last summer when he said he was gonNA come on, and he gave me the date and I'm like. I'M GOING TO BE ON A. Cruise or something? Right I'm going to be on a cruise. He's all. I'm not I'm be trapped on the ocean with my in laws for like. Hey, family I you got to do that. Did I blow the cruise. Really GonNA come. He's like no, you go do. But we talked a little bit at at Tampa stuff, and whether it's a podcast or something. He's promised me. He's GonNa. Do because I was like dude if you don't do it. I'm going to put out in podcast form because I remember when he first got popped for you know the adderall, yeah? I had a long interview with him like it's not podcast quality recording of my phone speaker, but probably is our and. He talks about las stuff and we'd done it and I was gonNA. transcribe it all on tape. And after we had done it and he's like, don't don't use that. Because you know what? Yeah, I'm not getting a whole podcast. He said I don't like that. I didn't feel good about that I. said why. You can't screw them over in doing. That and he did it again, but like a month later And I'm like I said you're the only guy would do this for. We'd never like you know because it was the conversation that we had was perfectly fine. There was nothing edgy or anything, but I don't know I just said I don't i. don't like that. Yeah, the thing that was an about that conversation with yours. Yeah, yeah, he was crying and Oh. I get part of it. Okay up, but just joking around and I'm Gonna I'M GONNA. Put that up like throwback podcasts, I don't do that, yeah! I! I just I wish he'd come around a little more and be a little more comfy. He was always shy anyways he wasn't a. Is Opposite of your Malcolm. But Man I'd like to see him around more I think. He's funny. I think he's got a unique take on. Things adamant. I did that. You know finding stew video. Yeah, Florida and I mean that was that was all like we want we want. We really wanted to come back. We really did like we would. We would talk about it or text each other and we're just like they do watch. Youtube video of Jay which just like oh? My God I to come back, yeah. So I hope he does. I don't say it from a selfish media. Point of view I'm sure he will talk to you and do your stuff, i. don't care is come back. Yeah, do some stuff because all those race commentaries did we're really enjoy were good and I was telling him about that, too. Those are really good. Keep those up I'm I'm not I'm not I. Don't need you to do anything for me. I just nice to have you back. I told them and keep doing those. Kind of bummed taboo, because I think he was led to believe he'd be in the booth. And I think there is some egos. They're yeah like. Ask not to come in a told. You know you're just on the floor for a quick interview. Really I hope not I hope that's not true, but that would stop. I, mean they? You know they seem find your. I mean there was a lot of bad blood there with Fox. And Ricky James Right and all of that stuff, so maybe maybe maybe there's still. I wouldn't think it's w left over though. How many years right I mean it's you know eventually we're all older we care. If Jeremy can forgive me. Whatever? What was the coolest thing you saw to? Who James James! I you know early on when I first started dabbling video. There is a day where. I had creek rented? For some shootout or something and James Heard I can I come in his cowie four fifty. and. You know it's always awesome when you see a guy on the track you ride and Queen was my favorite time so to see him do what he did around that track. was so bad. Yeah, so I filmed a video. It was just like a tape. Video thing and I remember I mid. Shot this video of Minoza so amazing watching him ride Korea that quick and doing his scrub over the big famous rock jump. Yeah, and I made a video of it and Fox was like we need that footage. Give it to them for something. That was super cool. We're to his house one time and. Now, he's not zookeeper, thank. You know place how big those jumps were there. And just watch enemies just like whipping, and he's way up there on the outdoor track right and and he's just like that guy can do anything. He wants right now that motorcycle he could just do anything and he would just go year. Whip it and bring it right back to the thing and you're just. You're just to moto. Just like you're just like this is incredible and watching guided motor right now I've watched tim ferrying Chad Reed and eight eight million other guys, but this is Mrs specialist this Guy Ride Arena so yeah I hope I hope he comes back and does some stuff man and promote seven order line. You know what I mean. It'd be a win. Win for him for that. It's Kinda cool. How seven has transcended the James Stewart! Like I mean obviously you think of Malcolm now and you seven, but I mean when it first came out, it was called seventy. Kind like the whole model. Whereas competitor aware that yes. Yeah Awesome Bill. I think they've done a good job at that, so we're cool man. awesome. Thank you for your time. Good time, good luck with. I swallowed alive. Dot Com will. Send some traffic go there. Yeah, people go there. Go check out Anton. taught of it! Yeah, I feel sorry for because. You know I started off his bugging scarfs said he would wear your. I know and I feel bad. It's like, but who knows. The scarf on yeah. So we're we're doing a podcast one day and I, I love Anton like a brother, son, or what? He calls me yellow data so. I always give crop like dude. What are you doing? His big thing is he wants to please everyone. If you need anything. Let me know. I'm doing it right. Yeah, right? 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Episode 286 - When Sly Met Bruce

Ross Patterson Revolution!

1:09:27 hr | 1 year ago

Episode 286 - When Sly Met Bruce

"Take. Gentlemen, who come to the raw? Patters? By black rifle coffee dot com. Now who plans down show clown old that too graphic? Have you ever been asked someone ever asked you to show me your clown home before? Going to say he's going to say, no, I was gonna say something funny. But it's really just. It's going to try and entertain my madness. And the answer is just no. And I think you know that. So what is this? James him in a weird mood today. Yeah. I'm gonna sprightly mood. You save what you seem on on fire. You seem full of good full of chocolates, some days you wake up and you're like man feel good. I feel like I punch a mountain. You know? You know punch a fucking mountain. What they call it full of chocolate for chocolate. I saw this thing on Rogan the other day. And by the way, I I enjoy watching podcasts Rogan's, I guess I should say enjoy watching his because their looks. And I don't know if it's because he's high whatever I don't give shit. But there looks to things so Brennan Shaab was was on the other day can friend of the show. We love Brendan friend of the pod. I did not know that chocolate bodies was a thing in the bodybuilding world chocolate body. Yeah. What is it? It is people who are painting themselves black essentially except for their face, basically right there. They're leaving their face. Yeah. White white people that are doing this in the bodybuilding world and leaving their face white because they don't wanna be accused of rape. For for going black face with the rest of their body. Painted a black man, I died laughing because they're just like there's no way this is real. And it is. And again, I think we've discussed this on the show, and I'm not sure do so many fucking shows. I don't remember what I talked to you about private talked about on the show. Cher. You know, what my gigs as a stand up was to host. I hosted a bodybuilding competition in Redondo beach perfect. And that was one of the strangest gigs I've ever had like everybody talking about. Done weird gigs before. No, I can promise you haven't done this and I show up early. So I was backstage gives you Mike checks and all that other bullshit, I was back stage. And I saw these people painting themselves, but there were tan so it was like spray Tanner's, right? But it wasn't. Oh, yeah. But I didn't know that it was never that extreme back then. So now, they're just going black. They look like black men. Right. And it's disturbing. That's no longer a sport anymore. I don't I don't know what you would classify that as and I don't know why they they let them do it. Well, it shows like the muscles more right or something does I think just me personally like that that mid level tan is probably the most defining to black. It's hard to lights. Exactly. That's what I would think. Why I had I had a black actor who used to hire. For all movies. And he came up to me. It was just like oh, man. We started the next movie. Hey, I wasn't lit well enough in that last movie. And I was like oh, man. I'm trying to gingerly like dance around it, you know, and he goes, no, no, no, it's because I'm super fucking black, and you're really gonna out. Blurb. I'm a blur. I'm a black purple. And I need more light. Oh, cool. And goes, let's just get that out of the way. So you can properly and I was like fantastic. So with that being said when I looked at the images on Rogan, and all that other shits to me, those people were the white people who'd painted their bodies black suit black like you can't notice the definition enough. I think that mid level like super tan like Dominican look is probably where you need to be. If you're trying to replicate a skin color that's going to really show off. I would think but in person different it's not done it. So I've been there. I've done enough hosted it that mid level Dominican look out there. And that's for anybody. Who's in bodybuilding who's who's listening to the show? Themselves look. Yeah. I'm looking roses buzz and video show, and I to YouTube. Hey, what does he have to say about? There's punks. So what have I did a whole episode of Stallone? I'm still waiting for that to get some bumps Bohm's maybe for creed to when it comes out. We just do a full their week of just an audio show. No video of you intervene viewing successor Stallone. Some poems. Things. It's a classic case of giving the people what they never asked for. You're not asking for it. You're not begging for it. But we are going to give. Anyway, anybody Vos my Instagram at at St James as James knows that. I do Stallone thoughts. It's been a while traveling a lot. Hey, it's fine. Booms anyone's asking for a full show. I have not seen that moving there. Okay. I think the people want they want. I love that alone interview. I love that idea that you're like I haven't gotten any of the message, but I'm feeling. People. Got to be. Goodwin. I've gotten three gotten do a whole show is still own. I've got do a whole show is Saint James St James, and I've got a whole event at him do show. It's a lot. It's a lot. And I don't know if people understand what they're asking for. Too much of a good thing. I still loan. I think would be the best. Yeah. That would work. 'cause I love I follow his Instagram, by the way after I started doing this Stallone thoughts on on my game stories. He is awesome. His fucking Stallone. So he was at because he's filming Rambo right now. But I guess he had the night off or whatever. So we rolled over, and I guess there in New York because he went to Springsteen on Broadway. Nice. And I was just like men he was like a back stage with Bruce, Bruce, and whatever I wrote to talking to each other anyone understand a word disease. Bruce. I don't think there was real words. But they just they were committed. They were communicating in a way, right? Yeah. Still own. Bona room. Yeah. Bona room. Vulnera-? Boehner run. Boehner run. Yeah. I love Boehner run to I would have killed two been a part of that God deus or just to have a court stenographer there or you're just like, hey, can you type in what they're saying? And try to translate this later because I have no. Klay boehner. So when I saw the two of them like shit, the other thing I like about Stallone's Instagram is it's it's easy to forget that he's like seventy seven years old because he looks good like, look, so great and he's always in shape. And if you again, if he's working out and still shredded, and you're just like men, he's putting the pumps in. So with that being said, he still seventy seven in his Instagram like half of his pictures or blurry or it's just like, oh, yes. Because he's seventy. A fucking. It's like dad shit where you're saying. Right. And you just not have somebody take that for you. Somebody knows what they're doing where it's just it's still like mom like old school. Technically, their grandparents. So the fact that he even has an Instagram is awesome. But it's some of the pictures. Yeah. He maybe should have someone else. Take it over photographer there. Photographer this definitely rich enough. But I love that. He's just like dad Graham, and he does he does things with his kids all the time. He's got daughters. Right. So he does his things with his daughters. And they're always embarrassed them and shit. Like that by the way, his daughters are smoking like total smoke shows these girls, we were just like Jesus Christ. Yeah. No. But I mean that in a way of like, of course, the vessel still on the Coon hounds, the alternate. Poon hound is now forced with like three supermodel daughters who are in their twenties have fun. But yeah, have fun with all of that. Snow? Billy Joel's daughter. That's for sure. Really? Means. Well, his wife is. Yeah. Jennifer flava or something like that something along those lines. She's a fucking supermodel her name. Okay. And is that the first person he had kids with you know, I believe it is because he was married there from rocky four Brazil Nelson Nielsen. Oh, yeah. But they never had kids kids. She's just had a kid like fucking two months ago. Yes, she is seventy. Irresponsible. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know. But it's a fun Instagram. Befall? Look, I personally fester Sloan. We've talked about it before he's one of the most talented. Underrated dudes on the planet because he writes directs all this shit in produce forget, you know, that's what people forget people don't Beerman unless it's Tarantino where you're like, I'm going to see a Tarantino moment. I don't people really don't give a shit who wrote and directed something. This goes back to the thing with bohemian rhapsody. Nobody cares. But by the west. Rhapsody 'cause I stick around the directors and Bryan singer still had that credit on there. He was fired from that movie. Mid mid show. To thing. Yeah. Let's face. It though everybody in town knew he was touching boys. So and how young boys again sixteen seventeen. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But not with that now. And that was one that everybody knew and it was just like all right cool. But he's when that movie dropped he got the directing credit wasn't the other person really which I was surprised by. I'm sure there was some fight in the DJ the directors guild of America about share that type of credit, but you know. Felt like Bryan singer movie. I would've given that credit up for sure for that movie. That's what he does those kinds cheesy just with another movie man, I think he did like X men, but like the ones that people weren't happy about where you're going. Like cheesy bopping along classic like. Brian singer love a super well lit perfect seen. Do you know what I mean? Like that kind of stuff makes me mad. I don't know why you're number two sauce. Bryan singer. He's got a picture of them. Yes. He knows cool. And all of that jeered. He laughed, but I go, Jerry, you know. Not into me. And I was like, well, you're no one's demographic. I'm talking to one of my best friends, by the way. You're no one's demographic. And he goes, yeah. Really into like super young fit dudes. And I was like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Who isn't? He's a weird guy. Kind likes young guys. I don't know. Weirdo weirdos. I think it's gross. Okay. Just so, you know, we, of course. Young fit gay dudes, Jesse not straight. Well, no, actually, that's untrue. We like straight did Stu sure. He would rather have a straight one thing to turn to turn a straight. Didn't know that. Why would you? I didn't know that. Yeah. Learning a lot of things today. She economic data items on shock clip body, turn in the streets before we get into the sponsors want to talk about this mustache that's coming in. It's coming in. Great. Yeah. I would say Monday or Tuesday. I'll be full full Prefontaine probably to Bush full Bush. No. Free and pretty stoked about that. 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I would say if I was chosen for this. I would just look at him make eye contact with him throughout the trial and just say this. Yes. Yes. Having the wife come in rolling. She just sat there and looked at all the jurors really serious, and she was just like, oh, man foof. Yeah. Guy the former operations chief for the Cinna Ola. Look come on. You know, my my Spanish is real flawless. You refused to tries let it. Care. I know you don't fuck and case don't live there. Baby. Oh paintings. The only Spanish word, I know is Sean. So he took the stand the witness stand an offer to what they're calling in New York Times as masterclass on the inner workings of trafficking, operation identified, El Chapo, stand. The operation sheaf. Okay. Okay. Okay. Drug cartel. Okay. Yeah. Three hours of insider witness testimony. Hey, Sousse, Zimbater Garcia, even that guy. Like whenever going by three names like that here murderer. So again, what I was saying is that the people that they're putting on the stand to testify against him are can be just discredited immediately. They did they did all the things. That they're accusing him of doing. You know, what I'm saying thieves drug drug lords, drug Lord the under bosses. They're all people that like, oh, we're going to believe you fuck you. So he stood up after he was done, and then pointed out, Chapo and said he did this. And that was the most dramatic thing of the day. This trial is all fucking drama. I want to. Yeah. So what they're charging him with by the way. And this is what they'd get most of these motherfuckers on. Tax. Yes, they can't get him on the murders. So he was extradited to the United States from Mexico, and the government is charged El Chapo with making fourteen billion in elicit profits during twenty years in business and protecting his empire with the sprawling payroll of corrupt officials army and professional assassins Bubba. To me, personally, if I'm on this jury, and I had to be on the street. Not only would I have. I would say he's innocent just for the sake of my life in my every day every time he looked over. The other part of this with the extradition to America. What do we care as Americans about somebody from another country fucked up shit in another country? Me personally. I don't give a shit. I really don't wait. They're getting for smuggling drugs, basically over the border. Legal business dealings of fourteen billion dollars in the drug cartel and shit. But again, like don't care he got him through bad. Most like a lot of the like. Yeah. It was it was coke, and we all that other shit like we should have been legalized anyways. Congratulations smuggling through California awesome. There's there's a we'd vendor on every single corner right of California. Actually, if we get these hair when addicts fucking hooked on some co. Maybe they'll actually do something. Yeah. You get a job get him. Give them a safe space for cocaine many people that are like full on just coke, right anyways. So again, if you're argument is this of what he brought drugs in the country and people got hooked or whatever. Big deal on alcohol and food and other shit all the time. To me with all of this shit would hit whatever he did Mexico. He should be tried in Mexico. I don't give a fuck, right? I really don't give a shit. Like, I know the Mexican jail system was so corrupt that he kept escaping and all this other shit, and they're like now we can finally put him away in this country. Why we so we have to pay for this motherfucker to be like, right? I don't care. I just I really cared of just go should have gone to jail right for out in this motherfucker. He's the rat. I don't know why. I don't know why I don't know how he's still alive. I don't know what how he's still alive. Really? Because this whole thing is Sean Penn. Right. I mean, yes. And no this is yes. Because they had his location, right? Sean penn. Yes. And it's fucking lawyer. Yes. Yeah. Right. So like, you're right. You're right down to me. I'm surprised Sean Penn still alive. One one two. I don't care. I don't care about this trial. And I think this is a waste of. 'cause this is US taxpayer dollars on this shit. Right. Fuck do I care is it just ratings. No because it's not televise. So if it was televised. That would be great if this everyday like like the OJ trial. I'm surprised it's not this would be high ratings like boy, this would be awesome. This stand up in court, but you don't show the jurors. They never showed the jurors in the OJ case when that was that trial was going on. So if you were going to televise this awesome. If not I don't I don't give a shit. Right. So my guess is this. I'm gonna say hung jury on this one for sure he's not getting convicted. But what did I tell you last night? And you're like like he's done a lot of good. Gave money to like a soccer team or something, you know, he'd. Name with the other one who got many who got his populist Kabar Escobar. He did the same thing gave the community a lot of money. And he was it was seen as a local once fine that one girl that brought Shawn Shawn Payne. Yeah. To El Chapo, she had I written him thanking him for the things that he was things he was speaking out against and that he was doing rupture government. That's how I got connected. Is that she was like I agree with what you're trying to do here. Not the other stuff, but. Yeah. I'm saying there's two sides to little little chop. It's little chop. All right, L means the right? So it's the chapeau the Chapo. So we're going low Chapo either way. I'm rostrums prediction. I'm saying hung jury wasted time not innocent. Then what does he go back to Mexico? Yeah. Right. I don't know. I don't know what the rules are. If you extradite somebody here to try them for shit. And then let's say it's a hung jury. Does he get to go free here? Does he go back to Mexico and is free? The other thing is this guy who stood up in court yesterday and pointed at him he goes back to jail and probably gets killed immediately. Right. When I would I would think I mean, I don't know what's going on. I don't mind people still alive. Why didn't Bolger fucking exactly you can find Sean lock's in a sock? You can find Sean Penn pretty easily. I don't know why he's still alive unless you're looking for his new TV show. It's on Hulu not a lot of people still. That's right. I was going to check it out. And then I thought that's on Hulu I like his documentary work lot better these days, it's own who speak in which these these new streaming and cable fucking wars that are going on do you notice? They ripped HBO off dish here. What the fuck? Yeah. It's just streaming our what no southern a carriage dispute. And again, we talked about this man, the more and more companies start buying shit like this in that AT and T merger. They owned Time Warner Time Warner owns HBO. So who does eighteen deal with direct TV because they own direct TV? So they went back and ask for more money from dish to put on HBO. And they said go fuck yourself, and they were like great. We don't we don't need you again HBO is streaming now. So it's just like who doesn't have a smart TV. Right or something like that. So they're like great fuck off. We don't I don't care if you're on the cable system, just get the smart TV skip the app blanked out that it really shocked like you're like who doesn't have a smart team. Down. Like, what do you mean? Everyone got to everyone's going to pretty much everyone's gonna fly or a device Roku fucking apple is something where it's just like. All right. I think so unplugging they're cutting the court. I don't know if they will come back to dish. But did they don't shoes? With this fucking AT and T merger. Man. I don't think people realize how many companies are now under that umbrella. It's just it's a fucking monopoly. Yeah. So I got my because I got the dish Bill, and I was like what was real light four dollars. Stop. We had to take off the HBO and the other ship because like boy think about it. It's HBO HBO Cinemax stars. It's four networks that are owned by HBO's. All over. You used to love that porn a miss that late nights. Soft porn, and that skin Amax a gal in her lingerie getting correct? Like people fucking in a cave. Dresses, caveman missionary. Straight mesh. I'm gonna miss that. I'm gonna I'm gonna miss that. Now. Them them. On it on it on it. That's the only type of comedy you can get from a mess. Two months. Boom comedy. So that's that's gone. But you're gonna start seeing more and more of that is what I'm saying in the future. So if you're out there in your whatever cable system, you're on like in this is this is gone. This channels missing whatever people are just going to stop carrying. And it's going to be like, hey, it's gonna force everybody into apps though. Apps, but what they're also doing. So like spectrum, for example, kept calling me about getting streaming through them stream stream would you like do? You know what I mean? And I'm like, yeah. To like, I just have internet through. So like I stream. Yeah. So what they're doing probably. Here's my guests. And what they were doing is they're slowing that down. So that you, but if you get the streaming service through them, then you can stream your Netflix and stuff really fast. You know what I'm saying bullshit? It's bullshit. But I'm saying that's the way that they're gonna feel like dish will provide streaming or something like that. And you're like, no, no, I don't think you understand Mary have streaming and I use your internet to do. So. So what he telling I it's the fucking worse, and that's going to keep happening to slam. We're district trying to figure out it really is like the changing of the guard, and there's trying to last fucking pennies any you're not paying for cable anymore. Doing and we need streaming and all your shit's going to be disrupted. And it's like, yeah, you're right, especially they're not gonna give up without of two kids. We've got relatives in for the holidays and all that shit. Like, people are watching Netflix and like nine different rooms. And yeah, yeah. And I would rather watch HBO on my fuck in apple TV because I could watch the shows when I want like does anyone really sit down at the time and like put on the channel for the show that's on Sunday night. And there's a couple of shows left that they do that for. But you could do it on apple TV do obscene or I mean, what it was like the really is. No more. It'll come on at at the exact same time. It'll pop up on your app the exact same time that it would come on your channel. So it's like, yeah. So we'll see we'll see see you're right about that. That's that Dumbo trailer, by the way from Tim Burton did it, and we talked about it waiting it. Yeah. The full link thing where it was just like what is going to be really men that look good. I know we said that a few months back on the show the full thing drops holy ship. It's the one credible. Is that the thing they really done it? I was I was mixed on these live action movies where it was just like we're taking a cartoon and turning into real movie. Right. This looks fucking greats. Tim Burton really knocked it out of the park with this one. That's one of the best trailers ever where you're like, man. And you get a little weepy on it. Oh my gosh. I will I will be there for that. Give it a peak sees it doesn't come out so March, but the full the full trailer dropped, and it was just like men. Is that a great trailer? I love that. I'm here for that type of shit the other one they said is Lion King, and that they said that is going to be on believable. Okay. Live action version of lion. King Donald Glover and beyond say, so but so they're not they're doing the voices. Yeah. And how's it live action? Just there's real people and things with with the thing. Like if you watch the dumble trailer. You'll remember that Netflix movie with the pig. Okay. Yeah. That's so oak jaw I fucking love oak. John well, except for the ending. But yes. Well, yeah. But my God. Yeah. Exactly. So same technology where it's like Dumbo looks like the okra and then everybody else's real around. So then, but I'm just wondering in Lion King. There wasn't any people. I don't know. I don't know what they're gonna do with that all the animals are going to look like Okita or Dumbo, and then they'll be in a real setting. Foof? I don't know. I know they dropped coin on that movie. So sure those special effects must be insane on Glover guess beyond say be nonce. And I think James Earl Jones is back to. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He's so we'll see. But when I when when it drops yesterday, it was like, oh, man. This is amazing. And you know, where I saw it was followed. Michael Keaton on Twitter is no love Michael Keaton. I love and. He said Tim Burton's a special person for doing this. And I 'cause I watched the trailer. I thought it was just because you know, obviously, he was in Beetlejuice, and they're still friends. No, Michael Keaton's in the movie, and I'm like. The men. And everyone loves him. Right. I think so should be universal. But I mean like behind the scenes, I think he's like a great hall mix Lovin via standup law across the board. Just to fucking great, dude. Yeah. So I will take no disparaging remarks about 'em. I won't hear it. I won't either I won't either. But I'm glad to see that. He's doing all the shit, and like even cooler thing was thinking back to like when was Beetlejuice late eighties early nineties. Sure. And I wish there was a way to find now. Nope. I have no idea from you. Late eighties. I think what are you going to say because I'm going to say either the cool thing about it is. Yeah, I would say I would say eighty eight. Beetle geiss. Boy. It's beetle juice. It is beetle juice in the movie. They call him beetle guys do but it's not beetle Geist. It's nineteen eight dammit. What did you say? I'm going to have to roll that. I'm gonna roll the tape back eighty nine. But here's what I like about it. Right. So you go eights it's a now that's thirty years of working with the same director. That's pretty fucking cool. Yeah. The fact that. Got to be awesome to to maintain a career at that level for this long. And I know 'em Keats went through it for ten or fifteen years where he was kind of off the board. And now he's back still deserve that Oscar from Birdman, but to see this in the same working with the same director. I was like, man. That's awesome. That's why I will never forgive red main. Really now never little fucking red main. I don't always looks like he will forever. Look like, Stephen hawking to me. Yeah. I just read main can go fucking red main himself fucking straightened out from it. Yeah. I think it really did a number on him. I mean when you curl up for that long. Yeah. Yeah. We get a crime corner today. Don't win James. Cbs crime corner crime corner. I want to crime corner. Really into it. I need to give some shoutouts though. Go ahead q. The people that brought this to me. So this is a couple of detectives have worked on this one together. Okay. Okay. So Shane Goodman. Okay. And freedom still wringing. Now, listen private account doesn't have the name on it. So I guess that's four reason. I'm not gonna out him. But that's the handle. And those two have been working around the clock on this one, by the way, while you pull this. I want to give you a shot out in the fantasy football leagues. Somebody names that we do fantasy football sports podcast somebody named their team the Dallas precinct crying Kuhn. Yes. Wanted to tell you that. Not in my league. I forget which leads in. But that's pretty special japes. So what do you what do you got for say on this riveting all quenching crying corner? Florida man breaks into restaurants, again, always. I'm told you why am not getting into it with you anymore. No need. Let me finish. Sure. There's more than just always is breaks in a restaurant strips naked eats noodles and plays Bongos. You know what? I mean. Do I need to go any further going, please. So florida. Saint petersburg. Yeah. This is a lot of crime. So this homeless man that broke into a restaurant. I he grabs him Bongos from the shed showed up on a bike with close on K. When do the shed got some Bongos broke into the restaurant. Okay. Made some Rama noodles that. He brought with him. K eight those noodles stripped naked after eating the noodles. Okay. Played some Bongos hung out for a little bit left. No pants on the bike. Yeah. Didn't I don't know what was going on with the pants, but he just really definitely not hot again noodles. He would not have been caught if someone the night or the night after. Because nobody's checking the video surveillance or like some Bongos being in the restaurant. He didn't steal anything didn't take anything que. No one's going to be like. These Bongos get here. So. The night after someone actually did rob the restaurant like broken took laptop money things like that. So they were looking at surveillance for this incident. Okay night after and they kind of like rewound and stumbled upon this masterpiece. Right. First of all I love that of like, oh, you're looking at one crime. And then you're just like what the fuck is going on at this restaurant. So the. The restaurant is not pressing charges for the homeless, man. Okay. Because he was just having the time of his life when he was just doing what ever it sounds like he was just doing whatever came to his mind, right? Understand Bongos play them close. Take them off. Right. That's the next logical step. Noodles. Eat them. Now, I'm gonna leave. So I don't know it made me. It made me think of used to work at a the rustic rustic in love the rustic in in. That was we had a pre party for range fifteen there. Yeah. Right down the street from the theater. Yeah. It's a it's it's an institution been or still open been there four years still a dive. But the real kind of dive. We're like it's really the box. The booths. It's not like this is a dive bar theme. Right. It's really a dive bar, smelly gross. But anyways, there was this girl that we used to work with that was like the token, I get super wasted on shift girl. Yeah. And so at the end of the night would just there was we had put a padlock on the freezer because of her because she would at the end of the night cleaning up, whatever she would break it in the freezer and eat like raw wings. Or whatever she would heat one night. She heat them up. She heated him up on the coffee warmer. Put coffee on there in the bottom. Metal part like keeps. But real black in dirty real black and dirty. So she like turned on the coffee maker and put the wings. I thought you know. Yes. In your drunk and state like who thinks of that? I never would really kind of warmed up the wings on that on that. We she hot. She was really. Yeah. Like magic because somebody probably fucked her at the end of this all the time. And here's the time. They had no idea that this discuss this gusting little dirtbag. They're making Alice later on in the evening was eating wings off a coffee maker, heated or frozen. However, she could get ranch frozen wings K hot. God it telling you those good time girls. You gotta watch out. They are never exactly what you want them to be. I promise you that crime corner gone. That's true though. That is I think about that a lot 'cause somebody told me this years ago, and it's stuck out to me. And I was just like man was a bartender at the place that I was about and I seen some discussing shit in a bathroom, and they were like look trust in a men's bathroom. And there were trust me. There is no humans more disgusting on this earth than girls at the girls bathroom, and I was like that. That's fair. Right. That's fair. Yeah. God. So this this girl, and I think I knew you're talking about you may I don't know. I don't know if you do because we weren't like super good friends. We we work together. The other girl you were friends. So we we worked together a lot. But we weren't like close because I just I couldn't follow follow a lot of these college sites that hilarious videos. This girl fucking hot girl on. There was a site called. Old row that I follow. Eagle Claude dip so eagle caused like, hey, you're going usually pinch. Okay. Everybody watching the video show. I immediately ranch whenever you say that. So I'm sorry. I thought oh gosh. How did she pinch pinch? You dip to finger right eagle. Claw three. She fucking eagle Claude a monster dip, and then threw it in God somebody at the end of that night went home with her, and they had no idea she was fucking eagle clone. Day. You're just just disgusted by this human. And you've no idea you've no idea. Yeah. You wake up the next day, dude? And you're like man, I just looking bone the hottest Schick? Nope. She was eating wings off a coffeemaker. That kind of stuff. Oh. She had a bunk bed. I actually we lived in the same building. I think she had a bunk bed because other. There or that was the only thing I don't know. But it was like. Oh, you get your get your own place. And you're twenty. Yeah. Shit a bunk bed. Was sunk in the room. And listen, I don't know. But it's an interesting look, do you know what I mean motif to go with in your twenties frozen wings bunk bed. I mean when guys went home with her, what did they think? I don't know. The only thing that I bought them is off the top of my head the last time that it's acceptable as an adult to have a bunk bed is usually college because let's face it. You're in a dorm or some dorm mass college for sure. Yeah. So anybody outside of college who's living in a normal apartment with a bunk bed run very far away from. Yeah. There's no reason for you to be there and stick around for whatever the fuck we were all on the cut. Of it not being cute anymore. And we all know kind of what age that is we push we flex with it a little bit. Certain people depends on where you live cluding me. But yeah, it depends on where you live. So here's what I found in real life. If you're in Los Angeles, you can get away with that shit longer than a in the rest of the world where you're like. Oh, maybe and maybe New York if you're in the city itself, we're just like, hey, even or minutes six hundred square feet. And it's yeah. You're right. Can't and then you can't be a mess there. I think less. In New York because like you gotta fuck fucking pay for that shit. Right. Mommy, and daddy are paying for your apartment like you have to go to fucking work, and like you can go out for drinks and stuff. But even New York, doesn't it seem like don't get sloppy. They're like people, right? What is sloppy as LA? Like some reason the clubs and the bullshit like in New York. I don't know why maybe I just have this feeling there. But I feel like they locked their shit up a little bit more. They do you know what I mean? They look down on us in LA four. Kind of fucking partying that we do disgusting. But but I think with New York like if you went back to somebody's plays the bunk bed. He'd be like fuck. I don't have a shutout at like a try to getting out of this life in LA. You're like, oh, that's the ass still. Yeah. Everybody's living the fairy tale for totally old. We were just like, hey, man. You're not because everyone's trying to do something else. Right. So like in LA, I guess that's probably the difference. So everyone's trying to follow their passion dream. Yeah. So they're doing jobs that in anywhere else in the world would be kind of looked down upon. But as long as you're doing something else off the clock like on dishing a couple times or working on your scrip. Then it's not tragic. Yes, anywhere else. If you're a bartender at the age that we were it wasn't cute. Do you know what I mean? But if you're they're trying to act or you are doing a movie your or whatever you're doing. It's okay. But then you can stretch it out longer there because everyone's following their pal shoot executive dream. Yeah. Whereas the rest of the United States, right? Let's say you're in. I don't know like a city like literally anywhere else. But yeah, go ahead. So whatever like you're looking when you go out to those bars because we look some of my best friends still live there fucking. They make fun of money shit ton of money have nice places, you've you know, all of them. Yes. And you know, I love it. The single ones who are still left like with him able to take girls back to his place in his job. And all that shit's like that means a lot to girls if you took a girl home meeting around the short north, and that you would fucking bunk beds and your place in one bedroom later, this is not going past right? One two dates. No matter how hot you are at that point. Right. You like why can't this person get their shit together? But in LA. Get away with it for a while. Because at least you're in LA, or I'm sure that's probably how it is in New York like just paying rent in New York is a bigger accomplishment than most people make ever do. You know, what I'm saying just being able to pay that rent and living there, you're already above everyone else. Right. So beyond that point. You don't have to do much more and in LA too. It's like rent is really high like parking like everything driving around like it's super expensive to live there. So people already right? They already put this like, oh my gosh. She live in LA people even say it now it's like it's not true. But they're like, oh, you're from LA. Wow. Like that in itself is enough for them. Like, I was super tragic and ridiculous. They're they don't know that. They go, and I was a hairstylist like actress in LA that's pretty accomplished. Sure. Because to even get to that level, you have to work ten times harder than you would in like a smaller town, right? But I'm here to tell you. Right. That it's really it is tragic, and there is people that are eating frozen wings. And they still are from LA. I will say this. I had one like I opening experience where I was at a bar. Probably in town three or four weeks, right? That you move there. And you go out like I was still getting into like the dope shit. I want to hear the story. Yes. You do actually. So and I met this girl. She was hot brought her back to my place, whatever. And wait, wait. Here's here's the. Here's the good part of this. She looks at me when she walks in and literally just looks around and she goes. I thought you said you were an actor. I was like, yeah. She goes by the looks of it. You haven't fucking done anything. And I was like no just moved here like three or four weeks ago. And she's like great. I'm fucking out of here. No, no, just walked up the door. I am roommate. I never did that by the way, I was cool with it. He looks at me without missing a beat. And he goes, well, this she was on us tomorrow. Welcome to LA like. Just I mean, just so p- pissed off pissed off that she wasted her. You honor? You honor went for the wrong type of gal because I'm gonna tell you right now. You don't know what you're getting out there? You really don't you don't. But I guess if I met you at a bar during mean, you said you're an actor for me you're going to have like a mattress on the floor. You're going to have a blanket that you got from you know, like in the parking lot. Where those Mexican sell the like Jesus blanket, you probably going to have one of those like, Azure, comforter. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I did I had it was the the Virgin Mary worse. Because I've found it hilarious. Sure. And so did all of these other boys. I'm sure. Wasn't. I had a full Mexican motif in my bedroom like with the sheets like the the Virgin, Mary the candle the whole it was really funny to me, I suppose if you didn't know me like we just met out, and you came back to my place. The fuck is going on here like super religious. Well, and probably because you've seen it before. You're like, oh, so you just stopped on the side of the road stuff on the side of the road. Yeah. What else did I bought one of those those waterfall? Backdrops that hangs on your wall where it's just like, oh, and it's like moving. Velvet elvis. Yeah. I the whole that shit's. And I thought I thought it was personally, hilarious and my room. Some people did not sure it was a big segment who were just like you are fucking loser. Right. And I kept that going for a while. They always have a metal bed during a mean. That's like, I don't know Kia. All of that shit. When I first moved there also had a. One room that we had because we rented out like it was fucking massive. It was like a six bedroom. We rented this six bedroom. House you've been by it before it was in Highland Park. And. It was awesome. So when people came over there like holy shit is amazing. And it was like me and my roommates, and it was read the half court basketball hoop in that in the back and guest house that was all decked out with like, huge flat screen TV and all that shit. Well, I had this wine bar. What do you call those wine fridges that were built into this wet bar and my room? Yeah. But it was all filled with Boone's farm. I filled it up all with Boone cross the book. Again. I thought it was really hilarious. Sure. A lot of girls did not a lot of. A lot of girls did not find it really is. I did. Yeah. I'll do you want better. I lived in a wine cellar. That's right in the Hollywood hills for one hundred dollars a month. And I had a. Not a bunk bed. But it was a loft. Wasn't somebody famous living above you or something like that? He was in. He ended up doing twilight movies at the time. We were all like and make it happen to make it. So he wasn't famous at that time got your now. He is he did twilight. So we spoke I thought can killing it. And what's the pimple stuff? Pro proactive proactive. I did proactive which is like killing it, right? Oh, yeah. You twilight paycheck for that proactive shit. Yeah. Everybody asks why the fuck would Adam LeVine. Jessica Simpson do that. Because they fucking pay top dollar for you to be a part of that. That's Rodin and field gals. Don't think that they fuck in. Joe it have a ton of money. Absolutely. Yeah. That's funny. Such a great temperature. Perfect temperature all the time in the wine cellar. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Creepy. An awesome. I loved it. I didn't tell you what happened with mine that huge house we were living, and I don't I don't know if you've ever knew the story, but we get a knock on the door one day. And it was it was like foreclosure notice. And it turns out the gentleman who owned who. Well, thought owned it didn't actually own it. It was a foreclosed house that he was renting out as if people had owned it's and again, all of the money, rent wise went to him, and that's it. Yeah. And then you had to move out thirty days we had to move out where it was just like a squad at that point. But fuck it. Yeah. Like, you probably could have gotten a longtime out of that live and learn hindsight's twenty twenty somebody looking other friend of ours that squatted for a long time and just said so you'll be here. And I think he dragged that out another. Eight months. Yeah. Well, my mom like rents to people. Right. So she has properties and like the squatting shit like fucks them up, landlord wise, like oh, yeah. Because they're like the renter has so much more rights than create. I know. Absolutely crazy. Yeah. Reason to just so not rent you're choosing between like let me run it out. Or let me sell it sell. It always like a beach property or something that someone else will take care of. Property management. Don't do it. It's ever gonna be as lucrative as you think. There's there's a company that I want out. He's I'm gonna have to look for it and go back into my records. But do you remember that last place? There was one place in LA where they were just fuck, man. The removing outs. They're raising the rent because they were knocking all of it down. And they're raising the rents and they were moving in people who were dying. So they have like two months left to live. Yeah. Because I was just like God damn. A couple of times. So what we're should I've ever seen? And it was just like so crazy still trying to come after us for shit. And we're like dude fuck you right wild people. Don't give a shit at all. I do not miss that city one bit by the way. Like, no part of me. It was a there was a huge celebrity massive. That was like, hey, let's see this meeting this week in Los Angeles. And I was like coming on the show know awesome. I'm not taking that meeting. Yeah. I have a I have a complicated relationship with my hometown. Right. It is right. What from right. I don't like Los let's face it. You're what an hour and a half out and an hour and a half north. Yeah. So like. Cool. And yeah. We'll serve in that taco shop on the beaches do when I was old enough. I moved to LA. So it's kind of like from eighteen on. That's where I was. Right. So it's like, I it's where do I consider home? I'm not sure, but like the Venter's of fucking idyllic amazing beach town. Yes. So it's great. It's awesome. But it's not it's not. It's not and the people are different. And yeah. Either way we weird. I liked it a lot japes. We went off the path went off the beaten path over own story. Well, if you're at home, whether you should find your own truth and story now to full your passion. You know? I don't think that you ever should. What? Yes, you should. Don't don't do that. Thing in closing. This segment should be called crushing your dreams. No, this is just to talk to the other segment of. Of the world, whatever segment of people that like can't follow their dreams because they have to work, and they have kids, and they like, do you know, what I mean, there's a lot of people on the internet. I'm going to say that that are going to tell you that all you need to if you don't like something just change it. You know what? I mean, if you if you want to do something like you wanna follow your passion? You just got to do it stopping so depressed, right? There's someone in our space, the military space, whatever that saying that and writing books about it and stuff a girl with no kids, which is fine. But I want to say that there is some nobility admirable to go to work every day and take care of your family and stay put and do what you have to do to take care of the people around you other humans, whether it be kids or wife or husband and. You're not on Instagram all the time because you don't fuck and have time. But I want to say that I see you. And it's very I think there's it's really inspiring to me an admirable to just get up the people, and I know it's hard. But that's the fuck and hardship is to be like, maybe this isn't my dream. But it's what I have to do to take care of my family, and I like that and sue that point I have friends too. 'cause you're right. The people always say that shit. I find on social media like Facebook Instagram on that shit. If all your dreams while your passion, live your truth. All that other stuff you have to do. What's wrong us? No, they don't. They're not married. They don't have families to take care of. And it's like, hey, man. You can't just drop everything in follow that wife and kids and all that shit. Then you're just being irresponsible. If you wanna do something off the clock in your own hours to try to make shit happen greats do it. But in the meantime, don't fucking do that for the people that stay in the marriage is to work on them. And like. Do that for your kids. I don't want you to be in anything that you shouldn't be in. But that kind of shit is so much harder than just posting a selfie and being positive. I promise you, you're doing it. And I see you. It's hard Jeeves. We might do not follow your dreams. We might have to play a little grow band at the end of this. We don't want to end with Grogan on that one. I like japes for Jesse wiles Maneka the jails, I am Ross Patterson. This is the revolution. Don't live your truth. Don't follow your dreams. Live your lie. Your passion doesn't matter. I just take care of your family and be good to your friends your fine. It's really, I don't know. I just look up to you. I know that it's so fucking hard. But I love you. Anyway. By by good nights to me. Strong.

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Leo Laporte - The Tech Guy: 1656

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Leo Laporte - The Tech Guy: 1656

"Louis podcasts you love from people you trust this is hi. This is Leo LaPorte and this is my tech guy podcast. This is our best of episode to end. Twenty nineteen of the best moments from the tech. KYW radio show is heard on the premiere networks all through the year. This is our show for Saturday December. Twenty Eighth Two Thousand Nineteen episode one thousand six hundred and I'm fifty six. Enjoy what you're about to see is our best of clips taken from all of the tech show's all hundred four for the year. Twenty twenty nine and actually GonNa look like just a new tech guy show. There's only one thing that's going to be a little weird. I'll have different clothes on for every segment enjoy. Ajoy our best of two thousand Nineteen Mike in. La is hearing that five G. is supposedly bad for your internal organs. He thinks it's fully as he says wants to know your opinion. I think we're going to be talking a lot about that in the near future. Thank you thank you Kim. Hello Mike Leo. LaPorte the Tech Guy. Kim How're hi Kim I am. I am not nearly as cutest Kim. I'm sorry to say well. She pretty much nailed. Hold it This is actually. I wanted to tell you this. The third time I've called you over the many years I've been listening. I just wanted to say thank you. You've always been great. Well thank you for calling I. I really appreciate it. Well as she said. I was talking to my nephew this morning at breakfast. And he's a great guy but he's one of these conspiracy guys and you know. Oh everything's like a conspiracy the government and what have you and everything and so we were talking about five G. and he said Oh no. Did you hear all about that and I said No. What's what's it what's it about? How even listening to okay? And so he goes. Yeah it penetrates your skin and does damage to your internal organs. Oh isn't that you know microwave does get inside a microwave oven and effective way. Microwave ovens were discovered. It is It was used in radar and somebody Cooked Takano beans in front of a radar And in fact that's why the early microwave razer called radar ranges but but that's a lot of energy and you have to be pretty close because there's a rule it's really important about energy and energy dissipation it. weakens by the inverse of the square of the distance distance. So that's a big mathematical thing but the bottom line on that. Is it very the energy coming off the antenna dissipates extremely rapidly by the inverse of the square so it pretty much has gone by a few feet away. And that's why you can stand in front of your microwave with some minor shielding because it's not that dangerous. The waves that are used by five G. or even less risky. Ask curragh friend if he ever gets goes through those x ray machines at the airport. I'm not talking about the metal detectors but those ones that go around you. Those IOS also use millimeter wave. And I remember when that first technology first emerged there were people saying oh people are afraid of stuff and it's and the real will thing to remember is it's hard to prove the negative in other words if if something's damaging it's easier to prove it's damaging than it's not damaging so how do you you know cell phones well. No one's proved their damaging but on the other hand no one's proved if they're not damaging because it's how do you prove that. Well we kind of have I mean we've had cell phones for several decades there's no Increased instance of brain cancer or other kinds of cancer effect. There's there's evidence is reduced but that's probably do other things so I get we get. There's a guy who comes in here. Visit says has local guy who's trying to get wi fi removed from the public schools because he says our children think of the children the Wi fi is killing them and it's very hard to prove it's not and he could cite a lot of kind of sketchy studies as I'm sure You know in your friend can what was your. You said your son my nephew nephew nephew. Has You know. There's all what you can find stuff to say anything. Sure but just so you know. Five G. is millimeter wave technology which is at a very very high frequency relatively low energy. And even if you stand next to the antenna won't cook a can of beans and it certainly won't penetrate your skin so okay there. Was this big argument. Yeah the the in fact one of the problems with five G.. One of the reasons is not gonNA come as fast as they say is. It doesn't travel very far. And so you when we put in five G. when companies are putting in five G. They can't just use the existing cell towers. They have to double the number or triple that. I have a lot more cell towers to support five G.. That's one of the reasons. I'm not too worried about off. One estimate I said that by twenty twenty five six years from now a full thirty percent of the nation will get five G.. What six years one third? What right it's not gonna it's not you don't worry? Hey I'd love to see five. Gee I'm not worried about it I I I keep my cell phone in my pocket next to my heart where it belongs. I think you were talking about five G. Just a week or two ago yeah and remember. That's that's what made me think about giving you a call. The promise five you by the way don't fall for in the cellphone companies do this every time. At and T.'s. Labelling on your phone now that it's five Ge which means the enes not five G. it means is four G. BUT WE'RE GONNA call it five Ge it's not really five she You're not gonNA see five G.. Except in very limited areas and you have to buy a special phone. They are starting to sell those phones. But it's GonNa be a while when we get it will be faster but speed isn't the primary very benefit of five G. It's something called low. Latency that everybody's excited about that is you know. There's latency is a killer when you're using SKYPE or you're playing a video game. It's the delay between when you send a signal and when you get it back you've seen that on on satellite phones on the TV news with. Bob Is in Budapest. Bob What do you think right. Well John That's latency and you don't. It's not good. It's not good for phone calls for video games for a lot of things. One of the things people want it to do with five G. is wire Thomas vehicles so that they can communicate with each other. Latency would be really bad. If you come to a stop sign at the same time it would be a bad thing so That's why people are excited about five G.. It means that it's not so much that it's faster but that we can do more with You know the five five G. Network but don't get your home a tell your nephew what the problem is. You can't convince these people because they say well I because you can't prove the negative so all we can do and I think it's prudent. Continue to watch studies on Cell Phone Radiation Wifi radiation You know for a long time. I was really worried about very low frequency radiation from power plants power lines. There seemed to be maybe some evidence that living near era power line wasn't a good thing. Well that's not panned out There are environmental hazards. All around us. But I don't think five gs one of them. I see A. You're sitting in front of a big Amazon Echo display. What going on does that free car? Yeah so so I wanNA talk a little bit about Digital Voice Assistance in the car. I having you've been talking a lot about it. You know for the last couple years since the since the Echo I came out And you know we've got Google assistant and You know various other attempts at this marketplace and one of things that over the last fifteen years or so and increasingly we've seen cars equipped with Voice recognition ignition systems to try to you know to allow customers to drivers to use some of the functions car without having to actually touch the control. That's what the idea. The Ford Sync was one of the first was care hands on the wheel. Your eyes on the road but you could still say hey ford sync turn up the temperature or find my favorite station right but as as you've talked about in the past that's always been kind of problematic because cars typically until now have had fairly weak processors in them and it's also a hard art environment to do voice recognition. You got a lot of ambient noise you're driving down the road and the the timeframe for car design is like five five years from initiation to production and that's a little slow for high tech stuff right right so now what we're seeing is a shift away okay from a strictly these embedded voice recognition systems. That have a really limited vocabulary. They have very very specific. Commands that you have to use to You know these. These voice Assistance that we are increasingly using at home In our various devices from companies like Amazon and Google and Apple android auto. You have a gamble in your car if you have apple carplay F- Siri in your car and those work pretty well. I mean right right and so what what manufacturers are doing is. They're they're taking advantage of the fact that increasingly all almost all new cars within the next couple of years pretty much percent of new cars available are going to have a cellular connectivity in there and so they're they're building in these hybrid voice recognition systems based on these voice assistant so there's there's still an embedded component. That's in the car as a backup when you don't have good connectivity but then you know you've got this other much it's more robust closer to natural language voice recognition system. That's that's built in so yet some companies like Ford that are offering That you can use if your phone is connected to the car. Actually use the APP on your phone. sorry. Sorry I supposed to say the other. Ada Echo not a the. The a word is hard now on your phone And then you can basically any commands that you can do with an echo device at home you can do in the car so you know for example you could tell it to adjust your thermostat at home If you have the appropriate thermostat that took up to your echo at home you could tell it to change the temperature as you're as you're driving home. That's anger also sells that the Rove Bolt. Yeah which goes cigarette lighter. Toyota's got that in something got built. Cars have echo built in. Yeah Well the the summer they're starting to get it built in Some are using it via an APP. That's running on your phone on Ford and Toyota doing. But they're they're moving towards built in system who has Who has who's who is ECO? Like the default voice for the BMW. I think is building it into some models now and we're going to see more of them in the next couple going over the next year or two Next year Volvo is going to be introducing a new electric car called the Pollstar to that actually has a complete infotainment systems built on android automotive motive that will have Google assistant built right in But even now if you have android auto which is something different from android automotive You can use Google assistant in the car similarly if using apple carplay you can use Siri and Some some manufacturers mercedes-benz says a new new system called M. B. U. X. that has a system from nuance That is a similar hybrid type system where there's an embedded component and then there's a cloud based aced component that gives you more natural language voice recognition to do all kinds of things. So you don't have to remember specific commands anymore. That would be nice. Yeah I have to say I wonder if the car manufacturers are paying attention to consumer demand and saying well we could do our own like NBC ex. But but consumers know the brand for Google Assistant for instance and want that in that Har Yeah. That's that's exactly what they're doing you know they. They're they're hearing the feedback it back from customers. And they're taking taking advantage of that connectivity which they didn't have in the past The cloud cars come with Lt T. E. built in or or three G in. Yep you know everything from GM now has lt built into it By the end of this year all new Ford vehicles that have lt not built in And within the next probably three years or so pretty much. One hundred percent of new vehicles will have lt Built in that as you you now have a subscription prescription fee to pay to the carrier Not necessarily so what. They're typically what they're doing is they're giving you five years of basic services for free that's bundled into the price of the car and then if you want more data you know if you want to use it as a hot spot in your car to let the kids play on their connected acted devices in the in the backseat Then you can. You can add it onto your plan for like ten bucks a month interesting. Okay okay so what do you what do you bet your Miata doesn't have any of this. No Mi- MIATA is totally analog in district apparently has automatic windows Do you have a favorite though in this in this category. Is there one that you like better than I. For instance I'll give you an example rental car in Hawaii. It's supported car play lay an android auto but I thought carplay was. I happen to have an iphone and android phone circuit. Play with both both were tethered. You have to plug in. But I thought android auto was a week. Second compared to carplay carpet really disagree with you on our auto and auto fan I like the interface better. I think I think it's a little more attractive looking and You know it it. It works really well. All right I'm going to have to give it another shot in fact my next car really and usually when you get one car that sports one in sports both right yeah most except for the BMW Most of them support both. What's that Audi support? It has both android auto and carpenters liking it. More and more friends is on the line from Frazier Park California. Hello Fred Hi William how you doing. I'm wonderful how are you. I'm good I have a question for you. Yes sir. Why does apple hate the blind wind apples notorious? I'm surprised to hear you say that. They're famous for their accessibility. You what device are you having trouble with This can take a little background. I'm a college teacher I was. I started teaching in seventy six My field is visual arts specifically photography Not just taking pictures of your puppies scientific-technical the whole thing. Nice and one of the things that have been seventy six. When I started teaching my vision was totally wiped out? It was part of a credentialing process. I know that sounds weird. Well they they wanted me to be an executive at the college. They put me through meat grinder. The last two or three years my vision has just been completely shot. I'm so sorry Gosh Nice that must really for somebody in the visual arts. That's gotTa hurt no not really It's been a learning experience. I like to study stuff and no matter. What's what's going on? I want to learn about what I'm dealing with. And what I found was the telephones consumer electronics and appliances. You are absolutely user friendly not just for people with visual problem. Spit awful also a lot of other problems if you have dexterity problems problems with touch and things like that and I. I've gone so far as to really study. I mean pretty quickly let let me just ask you. Have you used try using the accessibility features on an iphone like voice over all that stuff is worthless. Okay because I know a great number of blind users I know admittedly A touch screen is going to be less useful but I know a great number of blind users who do in fact Use The iphone and love the IPHONE. Because of of this voiceover capability will speak all the buttons. It will let you know where your fingers are. What you're touching Admittedly a touchscreen screen is a problem But I honestly think that apple's doing as well as anybody in this regard maybe they need to do a better job. I'll grant you that I don't. I have no standing to talk about this. Because I'm cited in fact I've often told people I don't i. I really can't do fair air coverage of accessibility hardware-software because I could peak and it it just really gives you a completely different experience of this but but I have to say. I have talked to a number of people who sure somebody'll call because we have a lot of blind listeners. Who who say no no? I'm I'm I'm really able to us not just the iphone with the apples. Accessibility technologies but even a MAC or a windows machine with Sometimes third party programs like jaws which is a screen reader for windows Sometimes sometimes the built in a technologies like zoom capabilities I have to say voice might be your best friend in the long run. I do know many any people with varying abilities who are able to use Amazon's echo for instance to make phone calls using just their voice so I think that that's that's GonNa be in the long-term long-term hope for people I feel your pain I feel like apple and Microsoft are. I've even spoken to The person at Microsoft who's in charge of accessibility. She gets to work across all product lines and go into any product division. And say guys. You're not doing a good job Bob. You could do a better job. Here's where we should fix this. So these companies. No this is important. I think it's very important They're trying nine ad features like Siri voice dialing like voice over zoom text another features that make it easier for people with vision impaired vision. You know ah I mean if you're deaf it's also hard to use. The Google just announced a really amazing technology that duplicates the old ty services that phone companies companies offered But with artificial intelligence so that you can look at a video this. This was a remarkable demonstration. CUCO and have the captioning on so somebody who's deaf or hard of hearing can actually start to get involved in life in new and unique ways so there are. I do feel like there are solutions. I I admit maybe we took a step backward initially with the touch screens. But that's the way of the world and I do think that these care a lot Julian in Los Angeles Hi Julianne Hey Leeann. How's it going? It's going great all right. Well I am blind. Almost one assistive technology trainer. And I heard your last call call and I feel really bad for that guy. 'cause clearly he Is Not aware of the power of the accessibility. That's built into these modern mobile devices So I also to be fair to him remember. He's recently gone blind. And I think that this is why people need people like you Julian because he's one thing if you're like stevie wonder blind from birth and you get the support at school and so forth learned the skills he have. You know you you. Your brain brain is more mobile. You can learn those skills and you can become quite adept but but if you're starting from zero as an adult that's got to be really challenging really really hard. It is but it's not impossible. I taught newly blinded people including veterans. And I've taught them how to use the IPHONE and they can use it. It's just a matter of You basically your brain has to retrain those cells that used to power the is to do other things they need to work and they learn to do other things. They don't just sit there because you lose your vision now. The brain is amazingly plastic. It will use that vision portion of the brain for other things kind of remarkable. Where could he go? How could had somebody get that kind of help? Well there's lots of places I mean he could find the trainer like me and give myself a cheap shameless plug. If that's at least two you I don't give a phone our if you have a website or an email well i. I have a website in my phone numbers on there. It's a it's a google voice business number so people can call it anytime. Talk say My website is www dot tech JV dot com. That's www dot. T. E. C. H. Jazz John V.. As in Victor Dot Com. And they're got lots of reversals including a page that I maintain of of some of the most helpful in fact I see you have a presentation about a using the iphone seven. So that's awesome older thing but I keep it around because it kind of gives people an idea of how I work awesome. There's lots of stuff so there's that There are places you can go to the place that I think you and big P.. We were talking about referring to Stevie wonder. I think it's called away find her industries. They're over over in the in Los Angeles Steve. He's a big supporter The tells me Damon tells me a supporter of them. Yeah there's there's companies like sweetman systems the valley here there's there's at crowder and Orange County. There's lots of companies they're companies you can go to National Braille Press Publications One of them was called getting started. Started with the IPHONE and it's written by a blind person do the traditional organizations like lighthouse for the blind and the Braille Institute. They do they also understand. These new technologies analogies and assistive technology and Braille Institute has Something that the The they have a whole they call it connection point. And it's a place you can go into and you can can. We get matched up with somebody to teach you at least the basics and get you started so there's lots of stuff there's a a wonderful website called apple vis dot COM a. p. p. l. e. v. I yes dot com and it's all about getting started with with apple products. They in fact they have sections there with tutorials specifically to help people who are new to this. That's fantastic stick stuff out there. It's doable and he was talking about problems. With the pudding bumps on the phone with touchscreen there's actually companies that make overlays overlays that have dots because one nice thing about apple is that everything's consistent and Ios so there dots at lineup with certain buttons. They even have overlays that lineup with all the letters letters on the keyboard so you can slide your finger on cool. I mean there's a lot of stuff out there and I just felt really bad for the guy and I felt that he should know about this because he sounded frustrated. And yeah the IPHONES. A very powerful tool. It will give him all kinds of abilities that he probably never thought he'd be able to have again once you Lost his vision. And it's not the case. I can only imagine how hard it must be to lose your sight especially as a visual artist and especially as an adult L. But That's good news that it's the you know there's hope and can take a little Work a little research and I think a good place to start as your page you in tech. JV V DOT COM. I'm so glad you called in To to talk about because I I think I've talked to you before I noticed talked to many people before. Who Have Sung the we've met I've been to your Brickhouse Studios Twenty Sixteen Nice? Oh Great. Well I'm glad we met and you're in the La area but all over the country. There are places like this. I think it's Oh. Yeah definitely and you know what another tip if if he's in an area and he's not familiar with the people there chapters of the National Federation of the Blind and the American Council of the blind and you look them up and call those chapters up and say hey. Do you guys have a tech Guru who who knows that a teacher stuff. Maybe I could take them to lunch. Or maybe those for a living. Yeah lots of ways. You can get information. They'll be resources For him the website for the dots I think is speed DOTS DOT com. Am I correct. WREC yes yup. Yes thanks to Echo Stephen. An IRA chat room. He says we put those on my uncle's phone speed dots dot com time once again for the man. The myth the legend Santa Claus in modern clothes. It's Scott Wilkinson our home theater Geek. Listen to that Ho Ho Ho. That's coming up Jeff. Jeff a good fast. Did you have a good young Kapoor. Yes yes play the show so far for everybody. I blew the show far and My my I didn't beat my record of the longest blast but I did do thirty five seconds. which wasn't too bad long long enough? You could people start getting arrested after about twenty. I'm sure not the way I do it. Oh you jazz it up a little little bluesy Aldo I just continue the crescendo. It gets louder and louder and louder early more and more nervous but I did see this week though was Gemini. Yeah Man all right. I knew you were going to go see that this is this is interesting for a couple of reasons and Lee the director shut it at a high frame rate it features and it's interesting interesting because it features will Smith and at his current age but also there is enough footage will smith as a young man to twenty year old man. Dan that they could simulate the young will smith it wasn't it wasn't special effects. It was footage that they reused well. Essentially they reused footage to map is younger fake. That's right they still have to update it to be high frame rate and all that stuff right exactly exactly and that you know those two things were really why I went to see it. I had read a few early reviews. That said you know it wasn't that good a movie and I'll have to just verify that now. Yes it's not that good movie It's you know the script is really should mentioned that you liked billy. Lynn are billy did yeah. I'm an angry fan. Yeah and I know that I'm in the minority. When I say I thought Billy Lynn's long time walk was a good movie? Very few. The people agree with me. But I'll stand my ground but the point is that both Billy Lynn and Gemini Man. The new movie were shot at had a hundred and twenty frames a second five times the normal movie frame rate and what that does is it gives motion and it makes motion anything in motion much clearer much more much sharper and I. I like that look. Some people. Don't a lot of people. Don't they say oh. It doesn't look like a movie. It doesn't look like cinema but that's I think because we have become. We've have a hundred years of looking at movies that were shot at twenty four frames per second and so we we tend to people tend to like that what they call a quote unquote dreamy. Look which to me just looks fuzzy and out you know and and and blurry when things are moving around so the other thing. ang-lee did adhere as as with billy. Lynn was to shoot it natively in Three D.. So he had twin cameras set up on rigs to actually shoot in Three D. at one hundred twenty frames a second at four K resolution. I mean that's a massive amount of data that they're having to deal with now. You couldn't possibly have seen it in a theater that showed one hundred twenty frames per se. I in fact I did. Oh but the. And and you've you've struck upon the the strange thing about this movie that he shot at one hundred twenty frames a second four K. Resolution Three D. but there are no theaters. There's in the US that can show it like that. None Instead you have to choose if you WANNA see it at high frame rate you can. You can see it at one hundred twenty frames per second in fourteen I think different Dobie cinemas but the spatial resolution is not fourcade. It's been down risks to to who cast the projectors that we have currently in theaters can't do both that's right. So where did you see. So you saw at work K.. One Twenty No. I saw it in to focus. So there is there's no place theoretical version of this film that no one can see. Well they showed it at the premiere the TCL Belch. I Max theaters. TCI Chinese Graham and the right right but they had to bring in special projectors to do and that was only for the premiere premier. So basically you have your choice. If you WANNA go see this movie and high frame rate and I do recommend that if you go see you do it in high frame rate You can do it at one. Twenty frames per second at two K in adobe cinemas and there are fourteen around the country that are showing it in that way or you can see it in four K.. The full spatial resolution but only only quote unquote sixty frames per second. And that's happening mostly in. I'm Max laser a theaters theaters that have amax laser illuminated projectors. I chose to go see. Fortunately there. There are theaters theaters are in both cases near me. I went to go see it in adobe cinema because I was more interested in the temporal resolution that is one hundred twenty frames per second then I was in the spatial resolution. Which is the two K or four K and the the image quality? I thought was chest chest stunning. I mean I was blown away at how clean and crisp and clear and there's a lot of motion going on in this movie. It's basically an action should movie. It's really an excuse for explosions and gunfire And as I said the movie itself Yeah not not so great dialogue not so so great and Very superficial nothing interesting really in the movie at all But the but one review I read said that it's basically a long technology demo that he spent an Ang Lee spent all all his time on the technology aspect of it. The high frame rate the three D. and so on and he'd spent almost no time on the story. I've read some critics riddick. Say It's a shame. A angrily wants to squander what could be a great film career. Yeah running down this rabbit hole Of Technology you know and he did make some great movies life. A PIE is one of my favorite movies. which also by the way heavily technology driven? There was a lot of. CGI Three D. C. N. G.. Yeah a lot of CGI that's right. That's right He did brokeback mountain. He did Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon or crouching dragon entire whatever that one was a lot of wire work in that one so he's always likes kind of doing special affair mental stuff and I really appreciate an admire him for that for being willing to go out on the edge and really pushing the technology and the filmmaking to see what he can do. Yeah now I happen to think billy. Lynn was actually a good movie. I do not think Gemini Man is a good movie. So you're looking for a good movie that's Snide it but if you want to see what the potential is for digital cinematography. Yeah it's it's beautiful. I mean it's so oh gorgeous that that was the problem I had with billy. Lynn was it was very mundane. It wasn't beautiful gorgeous was Like the real world like you were sitting in a cab right right so this is maybe another way to look at it. which is well? Let's use all this technology to give you great images so going up for the story go for the images all right. Yeah that's are we going to see. More of these is cameron going to do this to cameron certainly GonNa do this with the Avatar. James Cameron is going to do this with the. I think there are four avatar sequels still in the works and that's that movie was ten years ago so so I'm not quite sure what's taking so ever had a computer knows these things never go well and it's Reza in Orange County California l. a. -Fornia Harissa. How're you how are you how are you? I'm good I'm good I keep telling myself I WANNA go dark. And what does that mean. I want to get off of all electron. I don't blame you. Yeah I'm just over all of it and I want to go old school. Lamb line I'm I'm in the market for a low end Laptop and he goes to recommend the chromebook for somebody who wants to go dark a chromebook probably is a good rejoice. As long as you don't mind that it's from Google depends on why you're going dark Well let me let we start at the beginning. I I probably and I'm I'm probably not gonNa make any sense here but I'm GonNa try out. Initially I'd like to get rid of my cable bill. Okay now so you don't really Wanna go dark because you're gonNA still how you're going to watch net flicks and stuff like that right right right and I have. I have two granddaughters that I'd like to talk to and they live on the east coast. You need to have skype or facetime or something like that. Okay right and I have an apple phone I mean I have. I've had the Niger in for for long time we've kind of came out of the corporate world and I never got I never got a a laptop once I I left corporate. I'm still working but I don't need a laptop. I think so for all the things you still want to do. You do need Internet access right and so what you WanNa they do is cut. The cord is what we call it. Which means you just WanNa get sever the relationship with your cable company? Unfortunately in most areas our cable company. He's still has the fastest Internet access so in most cases people stopped paying for TV but they still have a relationship because with with the cable company. Because that's how they're getting their Internet but you can investigate other if you need landline and Internet. What do you recommend them? I think the Gal but I spoke to before you. She had recommended. Sonic well depends. What's available in your neck of the woods I don't know if sonic is an orange county that probably not. So that's one thing. Investigators Alternate Internet service providers. Now honestly. WHO's the phone company in your neck? The Woods is it frontier or not. I think it's both okay. Frontier took over from spectrum. which was the old cable company? So I think frontiers probably your cable company now But that's so there's a difference between the phone is actually through spectrum. SPEC is he okay still spectrum. Yes spectrum sold off. Some incident solves so you have spectrum. You have t there's a difference. The Cable Company can offer phone phone service. Sort of it will feel just like that for two years but I don't use it. Yeah it feels like phone service because you've got a phone but it's really coming over the cable line. It's actually Internet phone service. So it's not really real phone service and one of the advantages the you and I remember the good old days of. You've you know Ma. Belle one of the advantages of the old school phone service was you didn't need electricity to use it You do need electricity to use your spectrum phone if the power goes out unless his battery backed up a lot of times they do put a battery somewhere in the garage but they don't maintain tainted and after a couple of years. It may not even work anymore. They don't care but in the old days Ma Bell was heavily regulated and one of the chief concerns of government. Regulators is that it be a reliable communication system even in emergencies even if the power was out even if it was a serious storm you would be able to reach emergency services so they made all sorts of requirements and one of the requirements. Is that phone works without electricity. It's powered from the central office. That's what you should get and that will not ever come from a cable company or an Internet service provider. That will come from Ma Belle. Whoever Ma Bell is in your Maria every area has an incumbent local carrier and I lack? It's probably not in your area but I don't know yeah if that what name rings a bell that's probably who it is so you would get and I would. Just get lifeline service. Get the cheapest service be twenty bucks a month Because you're not going to make phone calls on even it's there they're in an emergency. It's it's they're just you know as a backup see what the cheapest deal have an old fashioned Russian landline. I do only because our alarm company required it. Okay I will have no use for it and I've never made a call on it in fact I don't think I I don't think I can make outbound calls on it. I think I got such a cheap service that have been you. Can you can buy local calls. So there was a burglar alarm. Wouldn't let work and and of course you can always call nine one one of these things. So yeah I do I do. And that's the point is that you can reach nine one one so back to the initial getting rid of cable able when you get rid of that you're getting rid of. I'm getting rid of my Internet phone. I'm getting rid of the Internet and I'm getting rid of this right now all the now you're going to WanNa go out and find an alternate Internet service provider. Honestly and this isn't my preference is just the way it worked out in this country because these companies are so rich and powerful they were able to essentially in my opinion bribe and strong arm the FCC into letting them establish monopolies so the in most areas areas of the country the fastest Internet services the Cable Company they have the biggest pipe in some areas. And you may be lucky. Orange County is likely to be lucky. He there are fiber providers as well. That's what sonic is. But it's expensive. They have to dig trenches and putting glass fiber optic lines it. was you know. Sonic is is a very affordable service. But it's expensive for them to put it in. They only charge forty dollars a month for one gigabit per one gigabit per second downloads. which is really really really fast faster than your cable company? So that's worth an investigation. I don't think Sonics and Orange County unfortunately but you certainly can go somewhere like i. I would recommend broadband reports dot com. You enter in your zip code and it will tell you what providers are available to you broadband reports reports dot com if broadband reports says you can get a fiber system. That would be worth looking into it. It often is less expensive of but It it's just hit or miss in this. In the entire country only few areas are lucky enough to have that as an option so so at this point and then I get 'em landline. I've got obviously gotta gotTa get a phone and find somebody that I can get that Yup Yup Okay and then I'm GONNA look into Internet service service so I kept. You gotTA gotTa have the Internet service because then you otherwise you can call your kids across the country right. That's right you're gonNA use facetime to do that you so you need that okay now TV and laptop SMART TV is what I need. I have TV's but I don't think they're we'RE SMART TV show. Those will be so smart. TV merely means it's connected to the Internet and honestly you don't need a smart TV. You just need a streaming box. My recommendation is Roku Roku are okay you. It connects the Internet and then outputs. TV is that a one time charge for Yup. The roku is is cheap one hundred bucks then depending on what channels you want. So Netflix is eleven bucks a month sh Hbo Is Fifteen in Bucks a month. You can buy a cart the channels you want. There are free channels also so before you know what your backup to your cable bill. You're not saving. You're not going to save any money if if you're doing this is okay. This is the dirty little secret of cord. Cutting cable companies saw this coming a mile off so they slowly racked up the price of Internet to the point. Where they're gonNA make the same amount of money? Okay so you're not sticking it to the man exactly especially if you're getting from the man all you're doing is you know kind of jockeying around you. Don't save money and you don't you but you get you get the feeling of power. This is on the unfortunate. Truth is if you're careful that's like gives you a lot of entertainment for eleven bucks and using just do that or you buy Youtube. TV fifty bucks a month and that gives you your local channels and a few premium channels. You do something like that. Yeah but you're right it's GONNA end up costing pretty much. What your cable costs and -gratulations nations thank you? What's your baby's name you can tell us? Now Livia Grace. Oh my God I love that name name. Go Livia Grace told my dad. He's like that's a good name. I guess it'd have you ever wanted me to name him after after my mom. Yeah well I understand that but you know what you gotta wife. And she's got concerns well and she gave birth so she gets news. We also named her son after. My mom has her maiden name his middle name. Okay fine so we wanted to name Abby Clara but we made the mistake of telling my mom and she is the big mistake. You wouldn't tell anybody ready and Meyer you for that so if you told Your Dad big mistake anyway she said. Oh that reminds me of Clara Belle. The clown it that was it a cow. How Clara Belle the cows that how do you anyway? That was it. We couldn't name Clara. Oh my goodness so Olivia Grace. And how Oh and House Natalie. They're doing right. It was a little touching Goshi came three and a half weeks early. I was in Las Vegas and I got a text. I was in the middle of a meeting him. His eye doctors said go to the hospital and that was like what I just. I just got up got on the phone I called. I said I need to get on the next flight. It was an hour and fifteen minutes. I ran downstairs. Got An uber was at the airport. Eight minutes I love Vegas for that. And and My Uber driver was amazing. He did not dilly dally. and You tell them you said I got a baby on the way you get into the airport. Yeah I send my wife's on her way to hospital. They have a baby on what he said. I was hoping for that. Oh it's amazing and I just ran downtime. In time for the delivery I sure did yeah I got plenty of time but it was. We promote. tweeted is on the website three and half weeks premature but not horribly premature right. She could breathe in everything right. Allie developed pre-clampsia. That was a bomb and So they're more worried about her. Blood pressure was spiking her blood sugars. alosha Jackson all diabetes just during the pregnancy. and Um I'm very common. I'm just I'm just tweeting this but once they get birth both goes away normally although natalie originally had postpartum pre-clampsia which is a although the thing and that's crazy but anyway I just think the stories you can read it some time and it was harrowing but I made it and it was amazing and I'm a lucky man a son and a daughter. Congratulations thank you gradually. Here's the conference. You running the hell out of there. Oh I'm glad they put a big sinuses labor and delivery you wouldn't want to You wouldn't think oh I'm getting having an appendicitis the Cedars Sinai and Everytime Hospital Europe looking nurse you got there. Oh no that's you know. Is it Kinda. Why Johnny upscale a little nervous so scared Natalie congratulations all oh did they have to put her in an incubator? No yes oh so anti climatic as I wrote because the holder for twenty four hours so she did have a little trouble breathing and he did but that cleared up quickly. Yep within twenty four hours she was off the oxygen. I'm so happy oh Oh look at that little baby. Olivia Grace Oh and Natalie looks great. oh she looks way too good for somebody just gave birth right. Oh my God I love the little bars it must be time to say. Hello Oh to Chris. Mark wired our photo guy. Chris a brilliant photographer. who leads? Wonderful photo workshops. All over the world you could find those discover the top floor dot com. He hosts a number number podcast including I think what must now be the oldest photography podcast of the mall tips from the top floor and in fact. That's where I met Chris for the first time as ah very early podcast expo way back when podcasting was young. Hello Chris mentioned. So what do you WanNa talk about today. Well actually kind of slots into what you talked about earlier in terms of programming like how. How do you learn this thing? And there are so many things in photography that make it so simple these days and a lot of things at at convenience to your photography due to the entire workflow. There's a lot of instant gratification If you look at the whole digital photography I mean just the bare fact that you an as old old people we know that the the just the fact that you can take a photo and located right on the display their mind-boggling minds view. I mean that's bet that's sped up learning so so much that will have really become a lot more productive in photography. I mean this is. This is just common knowledge most people today they have have demon shot a roll films as you would buy. You would take a picture and depending on whether you did it yourself. You'd have to wait at least east today to see what the picture looked like. And if you send it into photo the photo processing lab it could take weeks before you'd see the image right now now. I mean we have instant sharing that results in instant fives right. We give a little little dose of dopamine when you when you share something straight from the camera onto your social media media Artificial intelligence is starting to become a part of it with instant sorting your photos. That's already being done for you on the platforms forms. -CATION instant post production. I mean there's automatic beautification of your photos. There's automatic selection if you're in the the apple ecosystem it will pick the best photos of certain times in the past and create moments for you and memories for you. So that whole thing Is being done for you. That my question now is what is good for you as this is not good for you And I think it made me has to do with. What is your goal with? Photography is just this is analog to what we were talking about you can go to Code Academy Dot Org Learn how to program program and a couple of weeks maybe even get a job but if you really learned how to program that is the question I mean again. What's what's what's the goal with? Photography goofy adjust to create memories is capture things So you can go back to them later Learning photography goes a long way. I mean People when they first doing snapshots You know they're cutting the heads off of people or they're getting too far back there. You know there's some basic basic mistakes you can fix right away. They're taking pictures into the sun so so I would argue if you are if your the goal is to become a better photographer that is your main your primary goal. Then I would say all those automated systems all that I that that will take a lot of work of your hands is maybe not as as as much of a good idea because it's like with everything. If you want to become better at something you have to engage with you have to make it part of your life and anyone who series about this not talking about someone taking snapshots totally find us all these but it really extends beyond the act of just taking the photo photography is way more than just pressing the but it's adding an instagram filter. That's that's that's all that could be part of it. I mean instead. I mean photography. It's a spending entire workflow. I mean it. It's taking the other photo. It's the sorting of the photo. It's the rating the tagging. It's it's pretty much about surrounding yourself with your photo spending time with them because that's how you learn engaging in the process if you want to become a better photographer if that's your goal then Pretty much at anything by the way you have to engage gauge with the process. It's a lifelong learning thing. I think I mean I have so much to learn. Still Oh have you one. I think has And there are so many things. The programming is one thing If if you're a trumpet layer you practice because when you're learning a language and your native language is German speaking. which better than I do so I know you had to learn it? When you're learning an instrument in both cases initially can be very very frustrating? Oh Yeah but you have to. You have to your terrible too loud through you will be terrible and the big problem is that you know that at your terrible beginners same thing you're in for the first ten years or glass said it really well in the beginning you have good taste as you know what is good. But you can't do it because you're not good enough but you have to plow through. You have to put some of the work in and you have to engage with the whole thing and then you become a trumpet player. Better programmer orbit a photographer and at one point it becomes really good progress curve. It just takes off but you have to just put some Effort in and and engage with process. Don't let things be done for you because that is not gonNA further your photography. So That's interesting. I think you have it. I think you want to get to that point. Where you have that breakthrough know that it's going to be painful? And then the breakthrough kind of rewards you a little bit but you can chip away at it like a a little bit at a time. If you it's it's not painful all the time. It's just painful at little little parts of it you know and Gary in Costa Mesa California. Hello Gary Happy Sunday Leo carrying Costa Mesa. Happy December Believe it or not sure is how I I I quit saying this is scary because the voice recognition always makes it sound likes. My name is scary but I also first step here is to Where should belated happy birthday? Thank you even though you don't like to have your birthday recognised you can't help. It just happens anyway so what exactly I shouldn't I didn't make a big deal about it but you know when you get to a certain age you don't really WanNa acknowledge it. That's it's the real problem okay. Yeah I'm holding. You are though I don't bother me doesn't bother way. Yeah I guess it's better than the alternative is what my wife says. Yes that's right And they make a comment on Christmas Talk there was talking to him when he was talking talking about sorting the photos. So I missed what that was would you nail of it because I just I just use it and I was It started because I was thanking him. You know he came back from a three week trip. I took more than a thousand photos actually closer to three thousand photos and generally early when I get back from a trip like that I. It's fun to take the pictures and I like to look at them but I don't like going through them and picking the winners and and then getting rid of the losers now. It's pretty here too. We all have this It's pretty easy to do when something bad. Like out of focus asserts picture of your thumb because you had finger on the Lens but there's still plenty of maybe a thousand photos where and this is. What's hard for me I look? I can't imagine that could actually be a good photo. I don't know I don't know. Is it good. I don't know I asked it professional once. Very good photo photographer I knew who worked at the National Geographic and he said I wait for it to kick me in the gut if I He said I know. It's a good photo if I go. And so. He's he expand expert now. He's a really good photographer. My photos aren't that good so I don't often get that feeling of. Wow Oh but I. I know what he was saying. So what Chris this is method is and you can by the way. Download his free e Book and we'll put the link in the show notes at Tech Guy. LABS DOT COM but it's one hour one thousand picks wchs dot com and the numbers are numbers not spelled out so one hour one thousand p. ICS Dot Com and he's got an e book got video video. He uses light room but any program will work in fact it works. Great with Apple's photos. It works great with Google photos but the idea is you need something that you can load up all your pictures in and this is the key and move quickly between them while indicating as you move a rating now. I modified his process slightly. But these are the ratings I gave zero your own means. It's a reject it's gone it's out you know it's out of focus or just I don't see I can make that be interesting. Whatever one those a pretty low bar if I if I rank frank photo with one star that means yeah? I'm going to save it because it's our photo album and I'm going to see it in the photo frames. I can see it when I look at Google photos or apple photos. I no one else will want to see this. I wouldn't show it to relatives even. It's not that great but I want it because it's a it's a historic record. It's a memory for me if I give it two stars now. I think it's good enough to share in public. It's probably okay in my case I put it on. Flicker are you might say. It's okay for instagram or facebook and then three stars and that's as high as I go. Three stars means this. I think this is that that's a great photo. I'm GonNa see that's one. I want to not only keep but I might want to spend some time editing popping up the color a little bit and making sure the white balance is expensive. Spend some time making it look better. That's a three so zero three stars and you do it pretty quick. This is the key. He says one hour for a thousand pictures. I'm not that fast but pretty quickly just and the idea. If you could find a program that'll do this where you be rank it in a move to the next ranking moves the next one. That's the best way to do it. I use a program on the MAC. It's available on windows too fast raw viewer. That's very quick at this and very quick at rating and furthermore can easily use it to that imported into my editing program of choice so fast raw viewers what I use. He Recommends Light Room. It works with light. Remind problem with light room is is a little slow and and I need to be fast but the same idea rank move on racket. Move on rank move on now rejects the Zeros. I don't throw away right away. I put them in a folder. I just don't I don't don't want to have him in apple photos or Google photos because I'll see him in my slide show or when I'm browsing around and they're just not that good so I put those aside side. Maybe not throw them out for a while. Just because they're my babies and I don't WanNA throw them out the ones I immediately post. You know to flicker or or instagram. Or whatever the twos and threes is. I'm GonNa work on with light room or whatever photo editing program you like lately I got I like Skylon. Makes a couple of programs are really like for Mac and windows called Luminaires luminaires and Aurora. Which is an hd our program that's S. K. Y. L. U. M. so I've been using those and so then those I will clean up and and I and and then what I'm happy about is I was able to pair a thousand more or more photos down to about twenty four that I really like kind of I'm thinking? Can you want a few enough that you could put it in a book. A cassettes the best thing to do. Remember we don't do that anymore. I remember when you get Prince. You'd put him in a photo album. That's what you're looking for. What are the ones who are willing to put those little corners on the page gloom down and put the photo in there? Those are good enough to save the plastic pages with the slot Just slide them in. Yeah nowadays I don't do that anymore but but almost all you know. All the programs have await order photo books or you can go to a a shudder fly dot com great photo books. Oh photo or you take him over to Cosco get a photo book. Put that on the coffee table. Our trip you know and I think that's just really a nice way to keep those around. I don't know if my kids are going to care. One thing I know for sure. They're not gonNA care about the thousand photos. I threw out so my I think my real realization is if you pair it down to just a handful those really stand out. You're not overwhelming twelve people. You're saying no no. This is the one look at these. These are good enough to look at and for even for me. Oh yeah that is a pretty good photo. Because it's not surrounded by twenty other photos photos it stands out. So what do you think. Yeah well. That's that's sounds good. It sounds like you don't have the heart to throw away any the trash. Don't they're my babies. This is the hardest thing about any artistic endeavor whether you're a writer filmmaker photographer every one of those is your babies. Every word on the page but a good writer throws away more words any keeps right. Yeah well that's that's right. I have to get the hard though because I don't have any children. Pass them onto so I'll just have to observe rhythms. Even if you do they don't want them mm-hmm I can tell right now Henry and Abbie my two kids have no. I tried to show these pictures ago. Yeah Yeah Yeah Dad now. Let's talk about something else. So I you don't don't don't fantasize that there'd be some fascination the next generation it's not the case they don't care but I I it's for me right and and mostly it's for the future me this is. This is what I finally realized. It's it's in a year or two or five or ten so I can look back at his is trip and go yeah. We had a great time see. That wasn't that beautiful. That's what that's four zero. I think I'm setting up my final residents. I'm To set up a museum there you go there you go. It'll be fun for you. I think to go back through these memories. Yeah and you won't WanNa the move fast. Will you because you relish each photo and each memory fast is necessary because I have a lot of other slew. It was someone else right now. I don't have anybody What gets me with me so I WANNA get to show them to for the last? Finally exactly I bet you. There's somebody wants to see Gary's photos all what's your favorite. What's your favorite Thing to take pictures of what. What do you think your best best pictures are going to be well? I don't have many more to take. I have two three but I've taken a lot of photos of a boat coach. There you go and things and I was in the Navy at the time of Vietnam so I was everywhere and you'll have some very important authorities. He's usually I'll have historic pictures. I know and I've tried to find somebody who's has his interested in. This story is the story of the ones in Japan and Taiwan and Singapore in those places. But what if you did this. Don't know what to do. With what if when you find those ten or fifteen or one hundred pictures that you really thinker occur good you wrote a little paragraph with each one about where you were what you were doing what the scene was like you. GotTa then you've got a book book mature a tour book of the whole area so I could relate the tour book to the the photos time there you go so that brings up another thing which I had in Colorado can I make a library of some things and send them to you to add to your library. Sure I'd love you know what Gary with with me. I'd love to see him. Okay and I'll show him on the air because we have. We do a live video stream along with the radio show in anybody's watching the live video stream. How about that? Carry Ten semi semi two thousand semi. Here's your Simon Twenty of your best twenty best. Okay and I'd love to hear the story. Sorry with each one. Has that sound. Yeah that'd be great charm with me. I'd love to see important. I'd love to see him to do. And thank you for your service in Vietnam I. That's that was a generation that really sacrificed you know. Did you hear that one. So so gary is an older older fella who He He we were talking with Chris. Mark Wright is one one hour one thousand photos. What what you do and what I did for the first time ever you know and I thanked Christopher? Said you know this really worked. I'd buckled down. It really helps but gary said no no. I don't have anybody. Yeah No. I don't have any kids. Nobody wants to see pictures. I was in Vietnam. I have lots of pictures of you. Know is in the navy. I should've said set up a blog. That's a great idea. What was I thinking he said? Can I send them to you. I said Yeah Semi your best with a story and I'll show them on the air. That's a good. That's a good point. That's a good point a blog. It'd be really a good idea. Living in a boogie wonderland with Dick debartolo. MADS maddest writer. Normally Dick joins US each week to talk Gizmos we call him our gifts wiz gives dot Biz. But when I saw the news earlier here this week that mad magazine would cease publication. I thought of you immediately Dick and and now I guess what they're saying is they're going to keep publishing best of yes so and the funny thing is there is really no communication between what goes on in. La and the ride is in the August and July third. I call hold to ask about. The piece is writing for Mad. Ten and and the personnel phone said Didn't anybody tell you my off. Tell me what that more than half after staff was let go last week. I should want sad that that's how I found out. That's how well you know. I spoke to Al Jaffee today during the fold in and I said Aldea you ever think you and I would outlive mad magazine. And he's addict when I picked up the New York Times today and saw all that I said no one told you either and he zero they not tell you now. Chaffey of all the people in the world old nineties right Al Is Ninety seven. I ninety seven. He's been doing that foldout for or decades decades Debbie doing their parodies in their joke ads for decades. You know what there's a thing on mad cover site a a guy. His name is Michael Sleigh Bar who makes these incredible list and I so I looked it up last night I have been in every issue issue for fifty three years at and writing for man for fifty six years I started in high school so it is a a long. I'm holy writing for men. The the the only thing that actually actually it always brought me to bigger tears than what I learned man was closing was what people are posting online of. What mad meant meant to them? It's mind boggling. What people the love that people have amid everybody from people like Jerry Seinfeld Seinfeld and Lin Manuel and to the people who said I hated school I hated my parents? I just look forward it to reading mad. You want someone to blame for this blame guest. Who are favorite whipping boy? UH-HUH NOT GONNA be. At and T.. At and T.. breese bought Warner Time Warner Right. Right which owns DC EH COMIC Book Company which Bought Mad some time ago was how long ago the DC Clo- New York office. They closed it in December number. Two thousand seventeen. I mean that was iconic. You were on Madison Avenue. I remember taking my daughter who was about twelve at the time to to visit your offices and see regional artwork of Don Martin and Antonio Prohibited spy-versus-spy and of course Al Jaffee and and It was for me a pilgrimage to one of the most important things in my youth and of course knowing you has been a great treasure because because you you're one of my Heroes Your name that echoes in my brain going way back to the Silla. Don't blame me for that. I'm proud to be a friend of yours on. Just you know. Being associated with mad has been an incredible red experience You know I could say I work for. ABC News and people. So watch what I write for mad magazine you from midnight. Of course it's legendary and everybody of my era grew up mad taught us our sense of humor. We grew up with mad magazine. Toss us what was funny taught us about satire and parody. And there's a beautiful piece. I recommend in the Washington Post. It's the number one most read opinion piece right now. David Von Drill mad magazine's demise as part of the ending of a world and It is it is and is is it because it's a print magazine. Is that wise. Because I think I think it's partly print. I think it's partly that you know we were the only people that was years a year ago. Saying you know the government makes up a lot of stuff you know car companies now observation is so that's exactly What vandross says we now live in a time where everybody's a spit baller from the president on down America's oldest seventh grader in two thousand sixteen and And so today whether we're doing history current events commissar religion were awash in iconoclasm but nearly bereft of icons. Everyone's everyone's equate gesture now. He wrote eager to expose the FO the foibles of kings and Queens. But the joke's on us because we no longer have authority figures to keep in check. We're needling needling balloons. That have already gone limp. No that that's excellent that that how can you write satire and parody in an era like this but we need muddle through. We need it. That's what a lot of people also are emailing writing these that if we need satire so so much right now even though Washington is producing more satire in its fertile power vertical retort. Yes then we Disney achieved year. Did the Internet Kill mad magazine. Tell me that ain't so for I don't think so. I think the fact is is that what came out of mad magazine. You know satire. You know like Saturday night live and and so many people doing satire. It certainly deluded needed it. You didn't you didn't have to look far to find satire So we we can live in the past. What I was about mad is that gains always? We were sitting down within. I said Bill. I'm writing a thing about men and I need a quote about your philosophy. And and he sat from it and he goes my philosophies meds. Philosophy is never ever stop reminding the reader what little value they get for their money and I thought that that is perfect. That was the mad attitude right. Yes yes yeah the usual idiots and this is one of them. Yeah Is there is there any have. Have you been talking to anybody. Jump for care of former editor How anybody about what might be the next steps? There's got to be someone. Serve this the thing is is. It's very difficult and you nailed it when you said An. At and T.. You have so many companies now and so many executives involved in making a yeah. I know that that's why Mitt succeeded. Bill is person no matter what you needed bill told you I mean when they took over. DC COMICS and I would call up and say you know. I'm running the All mad thing and they changed. The password is something a who should I recall and they would go. Let me see. Let me call you tomorrow. And then they come back and they said we have no idea somebody the AFC or we don't know exactly so that was the beginning of the end when when you know. When bill died they they came over and they said this office looks like a High School newspaper which we thought was great? Yeah yes and they said bill put a wall between you and the corporate world. He's dead the wall is coming. That's a bad. This is our opening introduction. Welcome to our new bosses awesome. And of course it went from bad to worse and I can't imagine a worse company to hold any media conglomerate. At and T.. The devil the depth of the temple. And I'll say it again. The Devil Dick if people should follow you on twitter. His twitter handle is the gays. wiz Is T. H. E. G. IS E W I Z. Your website gives with DOT Biz. Dick's GonNa stay on this show. You Ain't going anywhere eight till eighteen till buys us but until until then you gotTa Home I love you Dick. Thank you so much for all your thoughts. Thanks to a big peewee. Our musical director Kim Shafir for answering the phones. Thanks to you for joining me. We'll be back next time. I hope you will to Leo LaPorte the tech. Oh Dick Dick Dick Dick. Yeah don't become a corporation Oh man. At and T. sucks so bad they're gonNA ruin HBO. They're going to ruin everything. I swear to God yeah they have no. I'm sure they don't know who Al Jaffee properly added some guy in a suit on the fiftieth floor. Says what's this line item. Well we can get rid of that. I don't know what that. Yeah exactly. Exactly we're paying. What for Rent I e the writing on the wall when they moved out of New York? 'cause there's no man no I think so because there's a sensibility in New York that made needed. Yes and that was very New York and in fact honestly that's the culture that formed who I am. That was the culture. I grew up with So it's very sad to me. It's an end of an the era I just. I'm devastated so I appreciate your time. And you're helping you thoughts. Stay on the show and we're GONNA RAG on. At and T.. The every chance with Tam those guys suck. Yeah Tell Ed Department don't book any. At and T. ads. I wouldn't do it ad for. At and T.. If you you pay me even if you paid even if even if an online from Georgia hyon hey good afternoon sir I got a questions about sending emails For several years. I've had a email address now. My husband helped me szeged edged. Okay and then he just understand what's going on. He sat beside me and walk me through. I used for my email address. He told me to send him an email so he could show me how easily get and he watched me everything like my email to him did not come through so he said get switched chairs and being from my email address he said himself in email and it went for so they said look switch back. Same thing I do this to my wife all the time it drives me nuts and three of our adult kids tap tried it with me too and for some reason my email do not go through when he's sending okay so it works with him but what is he using everything the same as you are your email client your all of that. Yeah he okay for example is he the magician. Is he trying to trick you. Know and you know and also with three are adult kids for example This is for example. Say My email address is my dog had flees say My husband and our free adult kids they used. I my email address just to show me how easy it is with me. It never worked with them and you know the big computer that sits on your computer that you cannot look around. I sit down and all I do is touch keyboard screen Terms with letters and numbers. Oh Yeah Yeah and it. Doesn't everybody's computers. I try you have a very common Syndrome Syndrome we call it costs computer malpractice syndrome. It means you're not allowed to use computers you can't you can't use them There's something it's like like static electricity in your fingers. That whenever you touch a computer malfunctions okay. I was told by somebody on my family try. I usually rubber gloves. No no no no no. We're all teasing. You know it's not rubber gloves or do you have a lot of static. Where in Georgia are you Jackson? County is it. It's not dry there right. It's pretty humid so you don't you. Don't touch your dog's nose and it goes. Oh No you don't get static shocks a lot do you do you slide your feet on the carpet and then you touch doorknob. No no Kazan is bad for. Even when I was at work the computers would do the same thing. And Yeah and everybody just a joke but my family If I walk in under door and if I you know even go anywhere near their computer not what he's bashed by they've got guard dogs. They're doing do not tell my computer so you will sit down at a computer you will put your hands on the keys and it will. Blue screen immediately is there and then go back even my new-look was called the tea the IPAD That what happens then Dan Disease and even these act up even the IPAD. How will it act up? It hit the screen if I'm reading for example I like to read well. I'm reading yeah and I go to touch you know so the Patriot turn off and and my husband just sets off like goes black and my husband. He likes to bring his I call them black boxes and we heal. He'll blank because he wants me to see what breach was that morning. And so and I can't speak with Glen so I go to hold it not not touched no button. I just hold uh-huh and here's goes off. You break his to it but it just goes bonkers. I cannot since two thousand and five when I started my I can my email never go through but when my husband sits down and use my email address it goes through our kids. It goes sweetmeat. Forget my all computerized things at me and you know I just wanted to Is it physically possible. Waist lowered create some people There's some kind of interference might be the first I've ever heard of. I know a lot a lot of people feel like this. Like oh man. I just not good at computers. Every time I try to use them. It just doesn't work in a breaks but you're the first person I've ever heard of who could touch a computer `puter and it will immediately crash. That's a unique and powerful skill. But I I honestly I I in order to really diagnosis. We're GONNA have to send a scientific team with instruments over to observe this because well at work I had to write down. I mean Put in we had put in the bottles of the residents and patients and they re quick or telling me to write it down. They won't let you touch a computer at work. Does it happen every single time. Yes consider if you will a Dome Woman Affect George laid some of the Ford well. You're the first I've ever heard of. I've heard of people who had trouble with computers. But I never heard anybody who could. I'll tell you what the military beloved to meet you. We'd send send you to North Korea and give you a tour of the nuclear bases. We'd like you to meet An. She is our secret weapon that that's one thing that people were quick about me. I have never had high blood pressure but other people on surprised if you come in and you touch on my computers and they all blue screen. I would be my blood pressure. Go through the roof to wow wendy. Wow what about down and and do what they do. You have any medical devices or appliances in your body. A pacemaker a steel l.. Hip anything like that. Okay well I just want to say one thing never come to our studio. Hey I've never heard of such a thing I I don't know how to fix it because I just don't know what's going on. You can get Bracelets that a grounding bracelets but problem is the only work when they're attached to cold water pipe or a ground in in your in your building but it might be something to try any Electronics store computer store. The technicians were when they work on computers. It's a little electrically conductive bracelet that has a small wire with alligator clip on the end. They clip it to something that will draw charges off. And if you have a lot of it's four static nick if you somehow you know have an electrical field around you that might help to to take it off and and and Senate down that cold water pipe. Maybe then use a computer. Can I also say. Do you fly airplanes. Because I wouldn't go up in the plane with you. Okay my husband. We were in a electron store and that he was not man was He was trying to show me and it broke everything. This is a useful power if you could just harness it. I don't know how we can use this but all I can say is I am thrilled. You called and I'm sorry about your troubles. I have no fix for you at all but I would suggest a call to your nearest army base. Because I bet you they could find a use for this. Leo LaPorte the Tech Guy. Thank you and Wow wow wow she sarah completely sincere. I don't I just don't know what it could be. He says I have to wear the same thing every weekend so that next year's best won't looks stretch. I hope you've enjoyed our best of twenty nine thousand nine. I'll tell you I love doing the Tech Guy Show because I get to talk to real people about what it's like to use technology in the re and the real world it keeps my feet on the ground and And helps me understand better or how people use technology so thank you for listening. 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Project Power, Brave New World, & The Secret: Dare to Dream

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Project Power, Brave New World, & The Secret: Dare to Dream

"I would rather you listen to they'll? Watch it. On a Saturday night at eight, o'clock, says watch locher movie I'll say no I'm I. would rather listen to land of the. Just, look at each other's eyes and listen to this podcast. That's right. In a world, where you only have trailers and posters to judge a movie Jim Ted strikeout to answer the age old question. Will you see it? Ted We have another Sunday night recording for episode one twenty seven so another. I wouldn't say longer week. We went Sunday to Sunday, so he actually didn't really have a short week. The we had we had a standard seventy week. Okay, that's right, we just. We time shifted two days or day shifted or I. Don't even know but yeah what what happened. What happened this week because I mean like I'm I'm notorious between the two of US having to shift the times, but I was I was getting stuff ready for Friday night. And then you're like. Hey, how this Sunday and I was like. Thank God any of them. Are you Jimmy? No I rode with my friend Jared yesterday morning had seen him forever and he to works from home. He does like software engineering for. Car Navigation for autonomous vehicles, sweet and and his wife doesn't work and they're just sitting at home. They live out on the road so like he doesn't come in contact with anybody, so I know he's okay. And clerks gets tested every week, so I'm not infected by proxy right, so we felt it was all right to go out and ride together, and then we stopped for breakfast at a restaurant in Buell Tin Ellen's Danish cafe or the Danish Pancake House I guess I'm cool and everything was outside, which is really awesome. Lots of people on bicycles whether it was for sports or commuting around I felt very thorough. You know and. They had like the tables spread out enough to where everybody was kind of away from each other and it was well done, and the food was tremendous as always and have some Danish pancakes and eggs and stuff was really good now. Do you do that at the end of your run or do you do that well? Typically? When we ride together, we'll ride to like a coffee shop and solving or you know we'll go. Go somewhere and for this particular route. We did usually what we do is. It's kind of like either an out and back, or if it's a loop, will set up like a restaurant to be somewhere like in the middle of the loop, and we just stop for coffee, and you know sometimes like a scone or something, and you know this place is such awesome Danish, pancakes. I couldn't help but get a stack of them and. And Yeah, but all this talk about food and everything and we gotta get to. Some beer must do it all right. What is it that you are drinking today? Okay, so once again. I have another farmhouse Ale cool. But this one's. It's called spontaneous, spontaneous, wild with an e, and it's called spy spontaneously fermented Ales okay, so it's probably as a wild eastern. Yeah, so that's exactly what it says. It says very cool. Eight this those are exciting man, right? Spontaneous unique blend of spontaneous fermented. Aged in barrels two years for two years holy cow, the war is cooled and inoculated overnight in our club chip lost. It's pronounced worked worked word even though it's Oh. Yes, it's pronounced. All right. Yeah, and it's bottled impaired you pear juice provides natural carbonation so I'm hoping it has. It's very effervescent, so pear juice probably has some sugar in it, and that's where the carbonation comes from. Yeah, let's crack assume I. Don't know. Tiny bubbles. The room up here because they're. Nice have your favorite glass. Is that the the Michael? No it's the Mike Oh. Yeah, that one's very cool. I liked that class. Yeah this week while you're taking your tasting and get your notes together. I have a barrel house brewing big Sur double. At nine point three. Wow! Oh, yeah I don't know if you've ever had that. So Franken I. that's the one Franken I've been drinking I got six packs of that the past couple of weeks. So in between the show the big, Sur wip as what Franken I've been pounding away from since the fourth of July, so you like this, Oh we love it. Yeah, so I'm taking it so west coast. From Big Sur, I would assume west coast from big Sur, and it has the aroma aromas good. It's very heavy on the citrus. I think frank was was not as sold on citrus, but I'm not usually, but I'll let you know yeah, and then when when we had the second six pack of this. He was he was happy by the second beer and he's like I. Get used to the citrus and I was like yeah. Nine point five doesn't hurt either. So here, the taste notes on this yeah. Last week we had the the not so Jalapeno. But, this one is. All it wanted instead. It was so it was. It is as advertised. It's a nice has some Sarah oates has farmhouse Ale notes, and definitely has some pair effervescence in it. Yes, this is very citrusy. But I'm going to be happy when it's over. For two reasons, the citrus will be gone, and it's nine point three percent. We're doing nine point three, doing nine hundred eighty percent of. Twelve ounce cans and you got the big twenty two there yeah I have the big twenty two, so it's. Yeah, it's awesome. Beer I I really enjoy it. I'm not a huge fan of citrus, but this one is well balanced. Yes, and I think it's all around a solid double. Typically As tend to be more on the multi flavored side right? They tend to be heavier on the mouth, feel and everything. This is really light and Airy, innocence and so it's really good, and it's for the summer. It's like it's like. If, you want if you need a logger or something that because he wanted cool refreshing. This is a refreshing, WPA. Though can I say this is probably our coldest time of year I'm going out in the morning with like arm warmers on. It starts off like I mean. We're waking up to like forty five degrees in the morning and stuff. And I've running at seven o'clock in the morning sweating when I step outside my door because it's eighty five at seventy seven. Man Yeah No, not here. Not here we're. Clarisa goes to work like with a scarves. She's all bundle up and everything it's. It's hilarious. Man July were freezing on the coast. You're like San Francisco. That's like San Francisco weather exactly. Yeah, that's exactly right what? Mark Twain say. My coldest winter was a summer in San Francisco. Yeah? That's how it is man. That's how it is so true house the week good good week a full seven day week the full seven day week I'd all seven days. I made it through all seven days goodness. Well Yeah, you're here I'm here. My My kettlebells are supposed to come in, and they didn't. They didn't arrive, so it's a little bummed out about that. But you know when you order stuff from China and you get them dirt cheap. There's a reason they contend. They come in like obscure packaging A. You ever noticed that China Post. But. I'm sure it's in a container somewhere, so it's almost here. So, we'll hope we get that going and then I built some shelves in the garage. For it and I built a little workout. Chart, Oh yeah got you gotTa keep your log. He got keep your log got to keep the log. Do you don't have the log? You're going in blind and kind of forgetting like doing the incline. Dumbo presses now or am I doing the declined flies. You know what I mean so I'm I. Charted it all out and we're moving that along, so we're doing a good thing. Oh, yeah, well. Maybe it'll be to spend a little a few minutes talking about your manifest. Oh. That's up to you. We had some strong feelings in the Willett household and I was like you know, but I think there's a point here and I think there's year you're speaking from a very personal space that we have to put it up on the website. Talking about it, yeah, but yeah, if you want to. If you want to tweak it, you can, but we'll. We'll put it up in our in our long forgotten article, section and All the article section. I even forgot about it. Yeah, but yeah, so you you were. I'll let you discuss it, but when we talk a little bit later, but yeah, so that was my week. A lot of workout stuff and Watched a bunch of movies movies came out. We'll talk about that later. Yeah, exactly, you know. We had a quiet week. I learned that the school district is going to start with distance learning, so they are not going to be in the classroom. Come August which. I don't know I have mixed feelings about it. When I told the boys, they both cried because they want to be at school with their buddies. Of course, of course, yeah, yeah, and I don't know what. My job is GonNa look like I guess we'll find out. Are you in the same year? Isn't the same district, but it's completely different grade levels at high school. Yeah, yeah, so I'm going to high school, but yeah, it's the same school district, so everything is going to be the same as far as distance, learning and everything. Yeah I mean I don't know what. We're looking at or WH-. The school year is GonNa. Take and I mean who knows. I heard on on. One of the science podcasts I listened to. There's talk of the vaccine may by the end of the year, and they're working through like animal trials that are that are promising, and so on hopefully I? Mean you know if it goes longer than by the end of the year? This is just going to get ugly I think yeah, both on the financial side of things, the infection rate death rate unemployment rate you know and health insurance I mean like everything's just GonNa. Get ugly because I mean how many times can. The government bails out until everyb- until even their broke right? Inflation go crazy because it Kansas be printing money you know exactly. The federal doesn't go broke. He just inflate everything so. I went when if the US inflates our economy then that's as bad as going broke. More bike riding as of today amid seventy, nine, thousand, nine hundred thousand feet of elevation gain when when you do. I saw that on on instagram. When when when when is it end August? Fifteenth Plenty of time, so I have a few weeks yet. Yeah! I have twenty roughly twenty one thousand feet. I mean I'll make the number I mean hopefully I don't crash and break anything, but but now I'm just saying. I should knock on wood somewhere, but yeah, I mean if you know now, I'm at I'm in the home stretch. I could go out and just do things, and I'll just I'll get it you know I, think that that ten days of climbing man putting in the work got me there. And then we got the xfinity flex box the top box and well you know to make a quick story of it, and then I'll get into the details. We're back to Roku right. The flex was. This is the one comcast xfinity has. It's like their new OT. And they recently got Hulu and they don't have Disney plus really. I guess xfinity and Disney are contentious. Is what I was reading because I'm looking I'm like well. Why don't they have Disney? Plus when are they getting it and there was like articles that people wrote about it on various websites and tech sates, and they're owned by comcast, right? That's right. Yeah, so that's why they're competitor on one end you. You know yeah, they're competitor. But also when they tried it when they tried to make deals and things like neither one was playing nice with each other, so then they just don't carry it now and I don't know. Maybe Disney might not let them. I'm not really sure, but yeah, so anyway that that side of its kind of ugly the site of business that does that right? The graphic interface gooey May. I mean it's it's. It works. I'm not I'm not excited about it. I don't know if you can move the APPS around to reorganize the screen. Delete stuff you don't want everything. I haven't gotten that far into it yet. The remote is very busy. It's one of those standard comcast kind of remotes with buttons all over the place. Way To anyone's way too many buttons. You don't need all those buttons. I mean I think it's intended to control like boxers. DVR's and I think it's supposed to be able to control all that stuff you know, but it's like. Just give me a OTT remote with like. Go and stop right. You know that's all I need and then. The other the other side about it. which clerks uses all the time in which I think is a very cool feature on the Roku is the headphone Jack on the remote. Yes, and like she uses it when we're doing this stuff, so she's not blasting out there like messing up the microphone on on my end, so he's able to listen inner ear buds through the headphone Jack and yeah, I mean overall I think it's kind of along. The lines of you may remember the Amazon fire phone, and it's one of those things where you're kind of late to the party yeah. Apple TV's been there a long time. Roku, who's been there forever? You have the fire sticks. You have whatever the Google one is. The chrome cast if anybody even uses that thing but. All these bigger platform stuff is out there and then here comes xfinity which I think were they fail to is they're not in every market? They're only in the markets that are in so they can only talk to the customers that they have, and they can expand their market for the box anyway, but I don't know and then you have to log in with your xfinity. Account your comcast account. And I. think that's how the then give you the premium peacock. That's good though through that. INCLUDED SO I'll probably keep it i. haven't investigated enough. I'm not sure if there's live sports on there or not. You may know more if you did some investigating, but I enjoy the I enjoy the live news. That's my favorite thing on peacock I've in both hooked up both going into the back of the pro, the video or the preempt processor. Just made another. Turn on the dial the to get to it. Yeah. If I'm going to do something on peacock, it's there. If I'm going to do like maybe the yeah, the news or if there's live sports like let's say they're gonNA have the super, Bowl and NBC. We're GONNA have a super bowl party and they'll streaming through peacock or something. Then sure I'll do I'll do it that way or the Olympics next year. The Olympics I think are going to be big on peacock, so yeah, the Olympics I'll keep it for those things. They sent it to me free of charge. Peacock is free of charge so I thought. It like even if it sucks, send it back. But for those few windows into a things I will. Keep it for that but I think it's all Roku all the time. Still I mean the Roku think easier to use. I'm trying to show me how to navigate the comcast. He's looking at this remote. Like what on Earth is going on? The best way to describe it as it works for what it does. If you don't have any Ott I would get it. You know I mean it's not. It's not anything gotTA. It's like you're not going to be offended by it and I would say that you know it's a good supplement. You don't have anything right, but if you if you already have an apple TV or A. A fire stick or Roku or something I wouldn't jump ship. I would stick with what you have. There's more available on those things on those platforms. Yeah, and I had the fire stick and the the smart TV in the bedroom, but the fire, the fire stick and the fire box I have the to Amazon pieces. Amazon to does not have peacock on it, but it does have. A hack, so you can even order, you could get a download her and you can order a hacked. APP that they'll put loads onto your your fire TV boxes and stuff now. Maybe we're going into uncharted waters or something, but the is the hack like illegal thing or something, or is it okay to do that or are they going to Zap your thing when they find out or something I? Don't know I don't know it seemed pretty open. You know there's there's always been like file systems on the device you know, so you could get to like developer settings and things like that so okay. My developer settings already on, so it just was something that I had just. Kind of side load, they call it. Yeah, because the Roku is designed to be hacked and. You know it came out open source way back. When and you know and and there's a lot you can do with it. I don't I mean I. I did at the beginning I'll cool. I could put on a thousand different you know, and then you're like what am I watching like? Exactly it's that's why I had this. Had this already like jail broken and then I forgot? because. Somebody thinks they're on their. Yeah, exactly and then, and then all you're doing is like Netflix's anyway right exactly exactly. Yeah, I think that's it for the Xfinity Flex I. Mean Like I, said overall just to to summarize. If you have nothing and you have access to it for for free everything, absolutely get it. It's a way to get you know at I would say it's better than the APPs on my smart TV which I never use, and the Nice thing about it is, it interfaces a lot easier with like your surround sound system and. All that then does like a smart TV, does unless maybe my TV's little bit older, but overall I would. I would get it if you have nothing. If what you have works makes for good sound, a great picture and you have all the sets you want on it and don't waste your time unless you want a couple of pieces of content like. Breathe New World Yeah Yeah like peacock. That's true. That's true, so and you can't get anywhere else so like peacock. For example we're going to talk about that a little bit, but peacock is like you said. It's not available on Amazon without a hack. Is it available anywhere that you know or so it's it came out basically as a mobile mobile I kind of platform, so it came out to the big. You know I think android and Apple. So I watched it I on my phone. You know going to sleep at night trying to watch the Matrix. So basically, it's meant for mobile first so I think it's kind of ignored, thumbed its nose at the general ot crowd, and then you stayed in bed with its you know parent company comcast in their their digital subscribers through xfinity. Okay I, got you. Yeah, yeah, so it's more of an extension of of comcast than than anything peacock, exactly yeah, and then, of course you have like well everything but Disney. Right so speaking of everything, but Disney a sense theme this week you were starting to get into a theme. Yes, I don't know what the theme is because the theme Kinda bounces around between books into into these shows and movies. Pills. The supernatural in a way. So the Supernatural Lake just for example project power will get to. The Pill for power pure power. We gotTA WE GOTTA. Talk about what that means. A, brave new world looks little dystopia. Pick right, but they're trying to fool almost kind of like Matrix e. And then the secret their dream, and that's sort of like. If you think it will happen, and then the kid wants pizza. Yeah, and it's at the door two seconds later. So. That's like A-. Is that the theme you were going for maybe not going for, but but that you recognize yeah, so the secret I- supernatural I guess I guess before the secret was definitely the pill, the pill thing to me was so prevalent in both the project power and brave new world. They just had so much to do with about pill-popping. Is So integral to these stories and these trailers that I thought this is amazing kind of thing, but then I. Some of this little movie called the secret with some. I? Guess a level stars, but there are no names and they've been. You know they've been around so I thought this is an interesting felt like a like a religious movie now most. And I thought others interesting again. There is the same theme of striving for this perfectionist. This striving to attain something that is unattainable, so I think that to be that was that ended up being a theme that kind of painted into the spaces we were going. But. I definitely it to be about the pills. Initially okay gotcha yeah. It started to, but then we would only have to do to. But. Yeah, so, so, which one do you want to start with? Well, let's go. Let's start at the top project power. Okay, project power. So this is a Netflix movie, right? You take a pill for five minutes of pure power. What is pure power, and so I think they need to define pure power, or is it like different for everybody I think it's different, so I think you get pure. You get the real. Release you choose yourself now you get the release of whatever your pure power is. Oh okay, I! Follow you, so you get you get it revealed to you. The first time you take it right, but apparently there is a risk right. There's a risk to taking it that if you. Have the wrong, peer power if you have a certain kind of power that you can also die from this if you take it and you don't have it like calibrated properly, or if you can't handle it, you know, and then how powerful is pure power? I guess it depends on which power your wielding. The reason I ask is the one dude punches, and he hits the Earth and he cracks like the asphalt. If you're talking pure power you're going to. You're gonNA hit the asphalt. You'RE GONNA. Wind up in China. What is what is the? Like how power! Is Pure power, and what is pure versus ultimate. It's not the ultimate power. It's not you know Earth cracking power. And as pure lake I, have the ultimate power or as pure like I have. Like my soul is pure. I think it is the unleashing of of ultimate power internal power. Your you know what's inside of you, so this is Joe. Go when you're talking about. Just Gordon Lebed who punched into the Earth Punching Earth and getting a bullet to the side of the head. You now like an advancing off or something, so yeah, he has like ultimate strength that he gets when he takes the pill, but you know I I like the idea of a different kind of on superheroes. You don't have to be in the form of X. men or the DC cinematic universe, or whatever it's called the DC universe the marvel cinematic universe you can be outside of that space and still have a superhero kind. Kind of movie so I think this is interesting where it does that it does everything superior movie has to do without the need for legacy or lineage, or even a comic book background. I don't know if this data concrete background. Yeah, and did you notice it within the trailer? I'll call it a cameo. It's probably more than a cameo, but in the trailer it was Casey. Nice deck, Cameo. What's that Casey Nice that Oh yeah, yeah. Casey, Casey I I. I noticed him but I didn't I didn't realize what he was doing? That's why I said. It's like a cameo. They just show them and I think it's so anybody recognize them one of his like millions of Youtube fans whatever be like Oh my God Casey. Nice I. I'm watching. Just because they put a space in there and I guarantee you, that's why through his face, and there's for no other reason than that. Yeah, yeah, just just to get the those those views. Yeah so all of us. What does he have a couple? Million people on Youtube that watch him or something, and he's probably like just the mere fact. They show his face boom. There's a few million views and it was. It was so quick. It super quick. Second or two? It wasn't yeah exactly so if you could have power, and you're able to choose your pure power, what would it be pill or no pill I? Don't care if there is a pill, but what would what would your power be a man and this is such a silly thing you know when you're a kid, you'd think I always thought flying would be really cool. Yeah, but there's something about, and it's such a stupid thing because I guess I could have this if I just chose to have it, but like ultimate willpower. Instead of weird thing to say ultimate willpower you know like if I could just yeah I got it. I got it. If I could just like, will to do whatever you know, just power power through things into I. Don't know to me. That was always an interesting thing that nobody ever talked about. In early wants to be flocked to fly or be invisible and stuff. But if the ultimate willpower, then you could do anything you wanted. To me, a trumps everything else, you would be a pro athlete hundred percent. Yeah, because like you would eat the right guy. You would train proper. You would abstain from drinking. You know you'd be like I'm not going out chasing tail. I gotTA get up to train in the morning. You know right, yeah, you know so yeah I see what you're saying like. You would be whatever it took to do whatever you needed to do. You would have the ultimate willpower to achieve it because nothing else would get in your way, and it's stupid because people actually do this and they are called professional athletes right. Or musicians musicians yes, yeah, like when we talked about or not talked about, but we talked to nomad, and he was talking about how he sat in his bedroom twelve hours a day playing guitar. You need the desire to have the willpower to be the greatest at what you're doing, and then you wind up music for the movies and all this stuff that he does exactly exactly. Yeah, how about you? How about you? What's your? What's your? Your ultimate power I think what I would choose, and I've thought about this, not just tonight, but I've thought about this in the past. I think what I would do. Is Anybody meet or anywhere I? Go in the world right so what whatever country or culture or anything? I would be able to speak that person's language. Wow with their dialect, know and understand their customs to be able to communicate and blend into any culture anywhere in the world. That's cool. For one thing. You could travel anywhere in experience everything, right? But I don't like. Let's just say French I. Don't know I. Don't know French right now, but when somebody who speaks French walks up to me I sense that and Bam. I just know French and I know everything about it. In in their dialect of their region of France and everything, and you never get you know looked down upon because you're speaking with the proper intonation, and you're not speaking formal French speaking colloquial. Exactly like I could go to Appalachia and however Peop- The minute I walk in. They're going to be like Oh Jonky. Or, whatever right it'd be like this guy's not from around here. But if you sounded exactly the way they do in Appalachia, they'd be like. Oh, where you must live around the corner something. Do I know you? You can be the president of the United States. Probably be a great president. If he did that Oh, and then, let's okay now. Let's say you're doing state of the Union address right right right. Well, people from all over the world are listening. Yes, everybody hears you in their dialect. Yeah, they hear you speak, and then they all here right now. That's awesome. So now they're like yeah, people be like Oh my God. He's doing the state of the Union address in Finnish. Finnish a southern. Southern Finland dialect, and it's like no, he's not. That's how you're hearing it because his superpower so amazing. That would be my superpower ray thing. It's awesome. I. Mean Yeah, flying's too easy right right or the flash I'll just run really fast. Now. What do you want to run fast fly? I'm jumping ahead, but we. The X. men days of future past, because it just came to Disney plus okay, we watch it as a family today and wait. Is that the one where they dress up in like the old uniform innocence? No, no, no, that's the more reason that's. That's the Dark Phoenix, but this is the older. They had to go back. Wolverine had to go back to the seventies to destroy the Sentinel Program from taking over the world. Well, he's got the sideburns for it. He does he does everything. So, that was that was fun, but it was. It was quicksilver stuff in. There is some of my favorite comic book stuff that he does. When he's running around the kitchen like picking the bullets out of the sky. Moving them around, so they don't, they don't hit anybody. You know so. That's kind of cool. Yeah, because he's so quick, all right brave new world. Yes, your thoughts, you read the book. I did not read the book. I think I think I was supposed to read this book and I didn't read the book and I was like I was so uninterested in. This Big You know. It was like a utopia. Slash Dystopia, but you know I think there's something here I love. That Han Solo the Zola's in this right, and he and he looks different, so it took me a little bit to get to place him. I WANNA. See this, but I tried to watch it the other night. Like we said it's on peacock, and it's it's I think it's a series or movie I forget which it is I think it's a series now as A movie I think, but you had to watch. Because I don't have premier premium premier which which? Say Peacock. Well I guess it's premium. Yeah so I. Don't have that so I have to watch over three minutes of commercials at the top of it. Okay, and I was like This is so long. And I tried to watch it and I dropped the phone on my face. Bed and I fell asleep during the commercials and I was like Oh. Time to go wait. You're going to watch the whole thing on your phone. Yeah, why not? Plenty of people do it Jimmy. Not just not just me, so they usually ear buds now sometimes turn on low sometimes I'll use ear buds. You know okay, but I WANNA see this. It's out now. Which is kind of? We don't normally do that, but peacock stuff didn't seem to hit really early I. Didn't I didn't feel any long leads stuff from any of this stuff so well and the thing about this movie series movie I guess the thing about it that well, that I don't necessarily care. CARE to watch. It is because I get the sense that they're trying to lull me into like a false hope like if you're looking at parallels to what's going on right now with cove, it and well all the stuff that's code. Right the crazy election coming up and just all this nonsense you know the parallel that I get is all the social media and television, and all the stuff that we do in use video games and stuff that people do in play in watch to distract themselves from. The realities and horrors of everything in the world. Right I mean I. Don't think this is something that I care to watch because at some point it's. It's along the lines of what we're already doing. The dopamine hit from social media is the same as taking a pill exactly and when you see, everybody lined up in the rank and file in their uniforms. It's one of those types of things if you look at a parallel. That's what we're already doing. We're just not lined up as like robot people, but we are robot people because we're all doing the same nonsense. We're all doing the same things. We're all even me and you. We talk about the shows we watch, and then like you know, and we're all just like vegetables in front of a television you know and the. And I think like man when people look back, thousands of years from now and they see every home. Has This panel on the wall? They're going to be like. What was this thing they worshiped. What was this Aida? Yeah, it's like every home has won. It must have been a god. And in some regard, it is yeah, when when you think about it, and we all stare at you, know and I think the other thing and I don't know who said it at some comedian, but he said Americans are in competition to see how many screens they could put in front between them and the and the television now and yeah, it's it's really unbelievable, and because of all that I mean maybe that is the reason to watch it to see how close parallels yeah, and I think it's a know. It's an interesting distillation of you. Know what we have with screens and what we have don't mean, and you know the pill replace. Standing in for that, and this is a book that was written well before social media, so Oh, yeah for it to be resonating so so truthfully now you know it has something to say so. That's kind of what I'm interested in seeing if I watch it, I think when I'm finished, I will read the book. And I know people always say read the book I watch, but I'm I'm a firm believer. You always watch first, and then you go read the books really ABS- one hundred percent. What's your theory? They're my theory is. You'll never be disappointed. You'll only be rewarded. Okay? Right so you go watch your. Whatever the DAVINCI CODE Watch the DAVINCI Code Tom Hanks. You read the book so when they were going through certain key points in the movie some of the things. If you didn't read the book, you would have missed it because it was so quick to get through that they touched on what was going on like in the painting and all that stuff they touched on everything that was going on. And if you didn't read the book, you would have missed it. However when that movie was over, I was like the book was way better right and the other side of IT I. I think where people make the mistake and I sometimes do, too. Is the movie is the movie and the book is the Book and you can't compare the two right there. Different mediums there are different ways of telling a story ones purely visual for the most part and auditory the other one is reading an imagination. You could go if you really wanted to go ten thousand pages on a book and you have no limit. A movie is bound to two to three hour timeframe unless you're Kevin feige and just make a ton of move tells the one story. But yeah so my theory is. Not My theory but I watch I, and then I read your preference. That's my preference. Yeah, and if I do watch, then I'll read the book, and then I'll do the comparison, but. Yeah, but then when you read Harry Potter, you put Daniel Radcliffe. Face in Harry Potter's character in the book, but if you never saw the movie, your imagination puts a face, their grain and I always say no. My imagination doesn't put a I. Don't have any face there. It's kind of like a blank slate. Let's tell me this. But when I watched a movie now I'm starting to put characters in. It's interesting. Yeah, just tell the brainwork sometimes every different for everybody. Some people play the movie in their head headed. Some people just roll through the story. You know, right. And I think that's that's. I'm so shocked to hear you say that because I think that. was that like you said for Harry Potter, and what's his name Robert Langdon? For Davinci Code like they had a different view than they didn't see Tom. Hanks is that character. You know when they read the book. I so I I. Like how you're saying. There's I. Didn't picture Tom Hanks's the character. What's that he didn't I don't know well. No, because I read the book I so I wouldn't have known. You know I'll put Tom Hanks this role, do you? Put any facing all on not typically because. Well think it depends on how well the author describes the character right? Okay. Yes, if they say, he has sideburns and glasses, and like short hair and stuff. Then I might like imagine somebody, but like if they don't do that then maybe I won't have someone's face there. You know what I mean. Very interesting very interesting. I don't know. What did you think about at the end for the peacock they had double. Negative can't not watch. Yeah, it's not great i. don't like that. It's not I'm not a fan of it. You know it's. They're try. They're trying everything you know. It's the they've done a lot of great things with his streaming service I think the fact that they're coming out free and really feels like a bundle is a great thing, and it has. It's very clearly delineated on the on the free version that there's a little feather on a bunch of content which only you guys have access to as premium members, premier members, or whatever it is and. And and that's interesting to me like to just cleanly clearly delineate. This is the content you get, and you have to commercials around it, and in front of it, and then here's a bunch of content that other people get for like three ninety nine a month, or whatever it is, and who is your Internet provider, Cox or something? Or who is it now? We have a spectrum spectrum that used to be Time Warner. Time Warner and add spectrum. Okay. I think it's still under Warner, so there's probably gonNA. Be a deal when. It comes out with their streaming service so hopefully we'll get that for free. Yeah, see I think this is the this is the problem it's. It's muddying the waters between the content providers, streaming services, and the Internet providers well. Yeah, when the guy who controls the pipes also controls the content. Yeah, I it all of a sudden. Where's the net neutrality and all that right? Right. And that's one of the things too I. Mean you should have access to comcast and I should have access to spectrum and let their competition allow me to decide which one I want to choose, not that we have comcast and you, our Xfinity, whatever and you have spectrum because of where you live where you live and the ones. They're considered utilities, but they're not you know. It's like yeah, it's so the Internet is, so it's still wild west, but maybe we could do another episode about that or something. I don't know but. Are you. Are you listening to? The land of the giants did you listen to any of those I have not have not yet. Okay, yeah, I'm finishing up a few other episodes of stuff and I'm going to get to that one. Even the the latest episode is so frustrating. Talks about how how they've grown so much in Hollywood so. I can't wait for you to hear it so. Yeah, I definitely want to. Though it is in my queue, I'm just like I. said I have a few that finishing up the that I wanna get finished before I start something else. Otherwise I'll never get to the other one. CASCADING EFFECTS The secret dare to dream. Did you read the book? No I did not read the book. But is it safe to say that brace will not be watching. Braces. And not the key demo for this movie now. It's like a romantic comedy or so. Maybe it's not a comedy romantic me. It's one of the hopeless I'll never meet the right man and you crash into the back of them, and now he's like fixing the roof on your house and. Whatever can happen not in this lifetime and your and your long time. Boyfriend is jealous of the stranger. Yeah exactly and and she's going to be pitting one against the other saying Kenny. I. Don't know so part of the reason that I. I put this movie in the queue was because it reminded me a little bit of phenomenon. Did you remember you remember that movie? It sounds familiar I would have to see it. I don't remember an old old John Travolta movie now I have not seen phenomenon I haven't seen phenomenon. I love visit along the same lines. As is the secret here, so it's not along the same lines, but there's something about the the familial relationships between two people care. sedgwick plays the mother of two kids, and then John Travolta plays the mechanic in town, and he kind of lose her throughout the movie and some strange strange things happen around. John Travolta and what he can do, so he's kind of has a has some superpowers to himself as well. So I. Don't know it it had. It has a supernatural feel to it, and and I don't know if I I started to read the book. I didn't finish the book, but the book is all about manifesting. Are you familiar? This is the thing that's come out. Come out again more recently. Manifesting as manifesting where you just you say things are going to happen in. In Your Life for you. Oh all right? Yeah, and you make a board and you put things on the board and you write things down you. You say that you're going to do it and things happen and I think. One of the most famous manifesting things is Jim Carey. He was poor, growing up and kind of poor when he came out of the scene. And as he was coming up, he wrote himself like a four million dollar check, and he put it in his wallet, and he had that four million dollar check and he was like this is going to be real one day, and now you know now he's a huge. You know TV and. Movie Stars so it helped it helped him get over that hurdle with a net worth of four million. He's like why did I make check big? I. Don't know you're going to watch. It sounds like I don't know I. Just I like the idea of it was. It was a it was an interesting story. It was an interesting book that was like a bestseller from twenty thirty years ago so. It had a special place in what I thought. And I think the secret and the soliciting prophecies they're. They're in the same kind of line, so it's an interesting idea and it's on. Demand is one of those like twenty bucks on demand like we're where we getting this. I don't know. You're going to stream it through. One of your pay services like Amazon or Where you can pay a little extra I. Hope it's not twenty bucks. This isn't feel like you pay. Get a lot of twenty bucks nine ninety nine. Yeah, let's do ten dollars this one, please. I can't even get and a bay. Pay Ten dollars to rent anything so. I don't know we'll see well. We rented a movie for Seven Bucks. You did which one episode eighty-seven we talked about mother load it was that bicycle cargo bike one. Remember Oh right right right right? Yeah, so they finally released it for rental. They were the they were doing screenings forever and like I was trying to find a screening was and nobody was hosting I, don't know whatever, but with all the corona virus stuff. They put it on video for seven bucks and I guess we'll just transition into what we're watching here. Okay, let's do it. I take it. You're not going to see the secret. Again it's one of those I'm not saying I won't I just don't I won't go out of my way to watch it if I see it, the price is right especially, if it's free, not free, but like included with something. then. Yeah, I might look into talked about this. Let's watch it I. would rather you listen to the land of the giants? Watch. On a Saturday night at eight o'clock Necklaces Watch locher movie I'll say no I'm I would rather listen to land of the. Just. Look at each other's eyes and listen to this podcast. Right, but yeah, mother load, so we rented. It was seven bucks on a video like I said episode eighty seven awesome. You, go listen to the our thoughts then and my thoughts now I might even listen. Then see what I think of it. I thought it was good. I didn't like the order in how she told the story. So. She led with her depression climate change. Everything's going to hell. I. Mean you want to hang yourself in the first five minutes of this thing? And you're thinking to yourself like anybody who's into bikes is going to stick with it because they want to see how she tells her story. Anybody who's not I think you lose them. In the first five minutes. Right right way too depressing, so what she does is she tells about her story how she was so depressed and she couldn't get a job and she was like. She's kind of like a movie writer, screenwriter type person, but like can't get any gigs, and everything's fallen through, and just know where to turn, and everything's just upside down in the world climate change and there's her kids. She shows like the scene of her kids. Look like Oh my God futures over. And they're only like one you know. This is the stuff there's in the trailer to. Trailer exactly yeah, and the kid dropped the ice cream and he's crying or something right? Like. That's what open and I'm just like Oh my God man. This is awful, you know. And then she tells the story about these different guys who were engineers, and they developed like cargo, bikes and stuff, and then she dabbled in and out of the history of Buenos of bikes. How the history of how bikes were involved with different women's movements. voting stuff women's suffrage right and the nineteen sixties for example and how bikes were involved with like civil rights and. In and out she kind of goes with the with the history of this stuff, which was a bit disjointed wasn't good, would better to lead with like some history, and then, and then dabble in it or well. That's exactly my notes, sorry. No I'm no, but you're right though and then she gets into lake well, here's how great bikes are and then she would go back to her depression, and then back to history, and then back to our riding bikes again, and these people are doing great things, but yet they're getting yelled at on the street, and it was just like I think it was disjointed and kind of all over the place it was scattered. Okay, it didn't really follow a linear progression in my opinion. I think it had they started off with just just tell me the history when the history is over, leave it. You don't need to keep bouncing back to the history. And then talk about like how that history leads into cargo bikes. Here's the guys who are building cargo bikes now that the cargo bikes exist. Tell me about your depression and your coming of age of whatever's going on, and then here's the cure, and all these great people doing great things I think. If you did something like that, it would have been like it would have started off educational. It would have moved into inspiration. It would moved into the you know the then you have like the turn. It's down. And you're like. Oh man you know, and like your heart spending, and then all of a sudden. It's like the upswing to where but I have the solution. I think that would have been a way better way to approach it than the way she did. It was like I said it was just seemed disjointed and again all over the place so and so so awesome that you said that because I think we just started the last dance I'll let you have you, did you? We talked about the last dance with Michael Jordan documentary about the Bulls. I do I haven't seen it. I I. Yeah, I heard. It's awesome, so when you we came out espn a month ago, and it was on ESPN plus back then, but now it's finally on Netflix. It was a Co.. Production between plus Netflix's Netflix's has now and we had just finished up watching Padma Lodge me's. Taste the nation, so that ended and we didn't have anything else family and start apocalypse, which is the next X.. Men movie because we're GonNa do this podcast so I, said. What do we have an hour to kill? Let's just let's watch the first episode of the last dance, and it does time shift like from the last you know, sue. Roaring. HAS NBA playoffs that they're trying to win as the double triple a dynasty that they were in the in the nineties. Right and it's the beginning of that last season where they start, but then they do this great transition thing where they show the face of the person that are going GonNa talk about, and they show a time line, and then like your radio dial in the old days. They have the time line. Go Way back, and then it shows like Michael Jordan at North Carolina Oh. Yeah, and he's a he's a Tarheel, and it takes me back there, and the second episode starts in its go shows you Scottie Pippen and it goes way back and it shows you Scottie Pippen growing up. So it does time jump, but it does it. It would such mastery and such balance, and you know, but it's not disjointed. It's not disjointed. It's all for. Purpose driven and it has a balance, you know we talk about Balanced Beers and balanced dido trailers and again this is balanced storytelling where you don't hit somebody over the head with all of the depressing stuff I. You don't start with Michael Jordan's dad dying right exactly you know. And it's just such a mastery of masterful play of documentary with such a rich rich video crew, and like somewhere in the middle of. Are Closer to the beginning of the episode. They tell you that film crew was allowed to follow them for this six. Try at a at a playoffs. You know NBA Championship. and to have that kind of wealth of video footage then you know to, not, they made sure they made a creek documentary at the end of that season two to recount it, but then to have a film crew following around these legends that you know our legends, because they've won it five times already in a decade, and now they're going to. They're going to try for a six, but they're kind of have these these. These teams that are coming at them and these you know villains that they play up in the. In the press in real life and and money, and all that stuff and it was it so masterfully done so that's just so fresh my mind and it's it's funny. You Talk Documentary, and then I'm watching this thing that is this masterful documentary you know, and and I think with time, or even with a reedit back, sure that story of motherlode could be told in a better way. Yeah, maybe that's what I mean. Otherwise it was really good. It's just like you said a reedit or something and I think that's the major thing. But moving on, we saw the old guard last night on Netflix. Oh, yeah! Yeah, it was good. I had to laugh though because I did you see it or no, I haven't seen it yet I. I watched the first five minutes. She's laying there with a bullet in her head and I was like there's no way I'm going to sell this to an. Well I'm not going to. There's not I'm not necessarily spoiling maybe I. Am I don't I? Don't think I am, but essentially wherever she you thirty well, you know I mean like they've been around late. Yes, she's a whole house years whatever yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly and wherever she goes, war follows or something. Yeah, she's the catalyst well. No, not war necessarily. She's the catalyst for all the great things in the world, oh, really, that's gas. Maybe I am spoiling something I. Don't know but. But she's the catalyst for like all the great things that happen because what she does. Three hundred years before whatever happens, that's like the butterfly effect and leads to all the stuff that allows Martin Luther King to do what Martin Luther. King did for example events cool. But I had to laugh them like okay, so that's great. She does something and then the world is a better place because of it, but how many hundreds of thousands of people that she killed in the process. It's like. That was the that I. Thought was hilarious. Overall, yeah was entertaining. It was good I made popcorn. 'CAUSE, it's like a popcorn movie. Well. We could talk about it later, but we remember we asked. What do they indicate? What is the thing for immortality? Yes, yeah, they how they live. Yeah, and they don't. But that's part of the story. Okay I. Don't WanNa ruin anything there, but I'll let me watch, and then we'll talk about I what I yeah like. We were talking about like well do do they indicate like what is the thing that allows them to live forever? and. There's a few things in there that that would be spoilers for sure. They don't they don't follow in a pickle that though no pig, but they know. But they do address it because I think just like we asked I think everyone else asked. Why are they live forever and they do address that including the executives. The executives were like okay. How does he look for I? Well, we think that I. Started watching on Netflix Bobby Kennedy for president. ooh It's a documentary, a documentary from two thousand eighteen and saw the first couple of episodes and. A limited series it's interesting, though because it gives you a pause to think what if he didn't get killed and Nixon wasn't the president and Bobby Kennedy was the president and. Be like today just by having a different president. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, nine, hundred, seventy, or Early nineteen seventies nineteen late late sixties, but what would that be like? And how would that have changed the course of things like would Clinton have been president? Would Reagan have been president of Cascade I? Don't know. Would A- president like Obama have come sooner. Maybe I don't know yeah like what would be the difference. You know an unknown. Yeah, it gives you it gives you pause and I still. They haven't really gotten this yet. But I still say the mob was involved because when he was the attorney general under his brother, he went hard after the teamsters and the Mafia. We gotta get rid of this guy, so you think. Too, much it was a was a hacker. I think he was hired. Interesting Yeah. Yeah I mean they haven't gotten there yet, so we'll find out and then we watched goodfellas. Oh, wait, wait you. Yes, this is exciting. Clarkson never saw goodfellas. Texted me that I was like. Yeah, so I said something about good I, just I never thought I, said what? We're watching it tonight and I. Think it was like last Sunday or something no and bless Monday, maybe because we recorded something and I said okay. We're GONNA, Watch that you know, and and so we stayed up. We watched it man. That movie totally holds up. That's awesome. It is so solid is so on point I would say the only things that don't hold up at the very end when they say so so went to prison for ten years. These guys are dead now. You know because it's so long ago, but if you if you think of it in the timeframe, it was done then that makes sense end end information that they give you but overall, though the filming the editing the acting the storytelling. I mean it's just it's solid it right. It could have been filmed. It could have just been released. It holds up that well in his. A quintessential movie of the ages I'm was was Clarisa as impressed as we are. Upon rewatching. Yeah I asked her that she said it was good. She's like I. Don't know why you why you're so crazy about it. Because like I have two lines and stuff. Is it a guy thing, maybe so no one else so good. Yeah, Oh, it is, it's solid. It is a solid. It's in my top five. Yeah, for sure top five. Yeah, and I mean just the storytelling the narrative the narration that goes on while the movies going on, and I mean it's. It's great every every so every now and then I'll listen to a podcast while I'm in the shower. And if I hear something really cool and a podcast while. The shower I I like to beat the walls and pretend I'm had real cheering on. My brother is at the Lufthansa. Time right right. Yeah! That's hilarious. That's hilarious. To me that that that part of the movie where the Lufthansa thing happens, it's my favorite part of the movie. Because Henry, Hill was not involved in that heist and yet his buddies were. We're happy about it happening. And then when it happened, and when they finally stage again, he still got a little taste of it. I mean he got, he got a little little side action from it. I was like that's so cool I. Like if I were to get, you gotTA raise would be expecting to get something from your as. We're GONNA. Read you know what I mean. It's such A. It's a weird. Fraternity that that. That moment within it is funny to me and I think recently won the last guys that took the that was in the real of Tonga. Heist that really happened in history I think. One of the last people passed away Oh. Wow, and they talked about. They talked about on the radio and I was like Oh. That's so awesome Goodfellas, and then the radio people like. Yes, this is the one that was. Dramatized in the movie, Goodfellas. Oh Man. So cool. Well! Yeah, he was probably the last one because he killed everybody else. That was our down. And then we have one episode left of deb's. We have to watch the final episode. I WANNA. Thank you for sticking it out, I feel. Like I feel really bad. That I that I told you to do it because and then I tried to watch it back, and because I have the the free version of who try to time shift into jump around to find the one scene that I was looking for is nearly impossible like if it's episode five okay episode five is the one okay. Yeah, and they were in that cube or whatever you're talking about right. Yeah, yeah, and it's like it is. It goes on. It's like wall. Wall Wall, you know and and you're watching, and and I forget what they were even doing in there. It was was it when they were re resurrecting the rats or something. Yes, yes, they were time shifting between the rat decomposing, and then not going back and forth. That's what it was. Yeah, but that's episode you. You said four, and that's why when I said for all off. When I watched four, I was like I. Don't know Ted's talking about and then I watched five. I'm like Oh. That's what he was talking about. Yeah so, how about yourself? What are you watching so i? Did the thing where I said that I was taught I was trying to watch all. The episodes I was trying to find that episodes of thank you for episode five. And I couldn't every time I tried to fast forward. It would make me watch more commercials and more commercials at work, isn't it? The word and I'm watching commercials where they're just watching something, but if I'm looking for something, don't make me watch commercials because I'm fast. Forwarding washed two minutes and I realized. This is where I want to be. The part I WANNA look at. May, I interject. I've noticed that with Youtube have been watching Youtube lately. No little bit. I subscribe to a few different hit to call them podcast, but they're like they're like live streams that people do skeptics guide to the universe, podcast and Fridays. They do a livestream since dacoven. Has, been, going on. So I'll watch that sometimes I subscribed to this British. Cycling Network Global No. G G Global Cycling Network I guess, and it's like this British bicycling thing, and then there's a couple other things that I'll check out once in a while. The commercials in the ads on Youtube are running wild. I mean sometimes they let you skip it. After five seconds other times. You're forced to watch the whole thing. I would say in the past month maybe a month and a half. They're trying to sell you like Youtube. Premium Oh. Yeah, and they're just beating you down with commercials to say I know you WANNA watch this you keep watching. You've been watching this for years. We have we have the algorithm that tells us that you will watch ten commercials to see this content. Yet they know right I mean I'm at my wit's end with Youtube. I WanNa see the stuff on there and I think it's still a good platform, but man. Oh, man, like the ADS urges. It's stupid anyway. I didn't mean interrupting, but it had to be talked about because important. Yeah, important. And this kind of leads it dovetails not so not so perfectly, but the. Episode that I ended up. Watching was the one about Canton, which is the security guard? Yeah, when the Security Guard dunks new boyfriend ended the TUB. In the top rate that whole soliloquy about this is the Chinese Century? It is so true. Ho Yeah how. Is this. Is this statement that he made about the fact that? We had thought as a country. This is going to be our century and. Take over after the Cold War and and now everybody's talking this is. The this post dabs, but with all of this it's like we are in the new Cold War with China and they're kicking. And it all started with Tenement Square and Tenement Square was this monumental historical moment in time where the world knew that China could overcome anything. Sad to say that gotta dovetails with my superpower. They had the perfect will to do whatever they wanted to do. With their people. You know when you think about it. The military from the countryside rolls in and mows down people in the city, right the people in the countryside. They don't empathize with people in the city because they've never lived in the city, so they don't even care, so they're told to go kill people. Okay, and you never talk about it again. And all all historical references of it are removed. Removed from history in China and you, just you just wipe it out in China right? Yeah, and yeah you. You make illegal talk about and then you move on from there, and that's why I said it kind of dovetails what you're talking about with you, too. Because Youtube is having their lunch handed to having their asses handed them by Tiktok, which is another Chinese company. Who's WHO's using short-form user generated. Kyle I didn't know that so. TIKTOK is a huge platform. They haven't brand new CEO. That's an American C. and. And we'll see what comes of it, but they have a lot of algorithms that are Chinese algorithms, and there's different tiktok inside China than outside China, but there's a lot of lot of consternation in the government about allowing Tiktok in, but it doesn't even matter because it's come in at the personal level, and I think what the Internet was supposed to do to China when Bill Clinton said they'll never figure out how to curtail the Internet, so let's send. Send over into China, and then that will make you know the type of Western democracy that we have here over there. Because of the Internet I think more likely versus happen. We'll have this oppressive consumerism capitalism that China has infecting into America. So this is this is the struggle for the next hundred years, the other side of the Youtube Bads, versus like who fx ads right and other ads along like you said with even with peacock and things. What upsets me about? It isn't necessarily the ADS. It's that if you're going to watch Hulu an NFL show and that show like devs has a high budget and they're going to have an ad role to sell soap in the valley. And sell soap in the valley is what they're using to pay for the actors and Everything that has if you're GONNA use debts as an example. Versus has a podcast live streaming from their bedrooms and dens in office. And so on for people that don't make really much money and an ads gonNA. Roll Youtube takes whatever the AD is, and they think they spit out crumbs to these people I think there's a problem the problem that I have with it is you're going to have these ads role, and you're not giving the people whose content is generating the AD. The do money or the money that they're do because Google, probably what takes ninety percent i. don't even know what it is, but they take a high. Percentage of that ad revenue and they kick crumbs to the people who are generating the content well I think there is a it's a tiered system so I think if you are a driver and you have the million subscribers or something you get a better take, so I think as far as like. Youtube Youtube 's interesting because I think they do pay their artists well. The you know the generators of their content. I think instagram is the place. Place where you don't get any of that instagram and facebook, you know as the generator of content over there. You don't get a take. You get nothing, but they're starting to. They're starting to to use that model in those on this platform, so it will be interesting. Yeah I. I don't know I. Don't know what else you've been watching. Okay, so the during the week we did not watch a lot, but what because we're busy work you? Can Get everything going, but we made up for it over the weekend on Saturday. We watched three movies now on Friday. We watched three move. It had to be Saturday on Saturday watched movies. We watched psych to lassie. Come home, which is brand new on peacock? It premiered on peacock and we actually love the psych series and I do remember fantasy never heard of sake on old USA, TV show and our big into USA bunch of USA series. WE'RE INTO PSYCH MONK MUNK. Yeah. Yeah Royal Amongst the biggest one of all of them. Yeah, and then we saw blinded by the light. which was what Brice wanted to watch. Bruce wanted really wanted to see this movie about Bruce Springsteen and there's a little Pakistani boy in in the UK that loves Bruce. Springsteen, and then he he follows his dreams to become a writer, and he ends up seeing Bruce Springsteen one hundred fifty times in concert, and this is about his growing up. Wow, true story, true story! Yeah, I'll. He's quick kind of amazing writer. And he bent. He joined up with the producer director of Bennett Link Beckham. WHO's also an Indian from the UK and she produced this movie. Okay, so it's kind of. It's kind of a fun movie, but It has has a weird beats to it. It took a long time to get to Bruce. Springsteen Bruce springsteen's not in it, but his music is in it, and his music doesn't show up till like a third of the way to the movie which I thought was strange. And then we ended up that evening with Captain America Winter Soldier. That's just an old, tried and true kind of thing. But to expand my children's repertoire I said I told and I said. I think the kids can watch knives out, so knives out is one of. My favorite movies of the year and you know she knows the couple of scenes that bryce couldn't handle, so we watched it together as a family and it was amazing. It was such a good movie. Another one of those things where you say balance. Have you seen lives out? No, I have not. You have to see it I. Forget what it's on. might be HBO. Which I don't think you have, but but check it out. It's it is an amazing movie. You and course it will love it. It is a who done it to beat the band. Yeah, we talked about it. Yeah, I, love that the first time I saw it to watch with the family and to have my daughter. Try to out, guess, US. You know you only have to tell her about one hundred times? Just watch the movie, and then we'll figure out what's going on. That's so funny and then today we watched. Days of future passed x days of future past, which is another family viewing for kind of an older demo than the avenger stuff, a little more violent than than the than the vendor stuff and brought up the article that she read recently about avengers vs x men and and I agreed with her. You know we talked about it. Many a time, but Kevin Feige is a show runner for decades worth of movies as opposed to you know X. men, which is kind of dealt with in little vignettes of trilogies of different directors in different show runners so. I think we're we hold a lot of promise for the next X.. Men tranches the next X.. Men Movies that are coming up. And then like you said this last dance, which is just phenomenal, storytelling, such an uplifting story of the great, the greatest team in my mind. And you're you're from Chicago. So you've gotTA, Love them, but that's. How can I loved it? And Yeah I've always wanted to watch it well. Not Always I mean. It's only been out a couple of months I think, but I remember my cousin. Chuck told me about it and I said Man I gotTa Watch that and I totally forgot about it. I don't know how I did, but now you reminded me and I'm all over it now there you go good yeah I. I was looking I. Can't find what episode we watched night we. We reviewed knives out, so you'll just have to go with all of them to find out. Download all of them when he listened to not. Right so cool. Yeah, I'm looking forward to watching the last dance. Yeah, all right man, well we are. Out of time I think tonight we are. 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Why everyone hates Big Tech, with The Verge's Nilay Patel

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Why everyone hates Big Tech, with The Verge's Nilay Patel

"It's a huge financial investment. How do you know if that college degree is actually going to pay off for you? In the long run the next episode of the podcast deep dive the floor Arnold we take a closer look at the world of higher education and ask the simple question why why it's so hard to find out which colleges universities are making the great and which ones are failing to live up to the promise. That's the next conversation will be diving into on the new podcast deep dive with or Arnold Technology Policy is is like a really fascinating area and it really sits at the intersection of what Vox covers a lot which is politics and policy and one of our sister websites the verge covers which is technology itself so we've got a special crossover podcast episode for you today which I sit down with Neil Patel ells the host of the verge cast and we really talk about a lot of the issues that are pending in Congress in the presidential campaign that sit at the intersection between politics and policy. It's really interesting crossover. I think you're gonNA enjoy hello welcome to another episode of the weeds box media podcast network. I met you glitziest. I'm joined today by Neil Patel Sal and this is a it's really it's a vox media podcast network crossover event. It's like the the avengers is not cast. I would say I get asked on the verge cast for this crossover more than anything because they were so so now I is that editor in chief verge. He is host of the verge cast which is a I'm told it's the flagship podcasts yeah I I firmly believe that you can make things troops by saying them over and over again and so I've said it over and over again now now people think it's true okay so speaking of things things that people think they can make true by saying them over and over again I have been hearing more and more from Republican members of Congress about something called section to thirty which they think is a big problem with technology companies right so if you've heard right it's like there's anti-conservative bias on the tech platforms according to many conservatives according to any of the data but according to them and and section to thirty she has something to do with it. Yeah so seguin isn't that what is that a section of sections thirty S A section of the communications decency act itself poorly named bill but it's the law that allows platform companies to moderate their platforms groups that in the thing about session to thirty in particular that I think this audience will find interesting is it is really easy to read in like if you have just passing familiarity with how legislation is written it is super easy to read. It's plain on its face okay and then the people who wrote it are still around Ron Wyden news the CO author still in Congress so he's very happy to tell you what he meant when he wrote these very easy to read words so the history tree of it and what it was meant to do <hes> was allow platform companies to moderate their platforms to take down things that they didn't want there to promote things they wanted to see promoted. That is the heart that Freedom Needham is the heart of how every platform works and this was back in the back in the Nineties Communications Decency Act yeah the instigating event behind to thirty is a case called Stratton oakmont v Prodigy Stratton oakmont. You might remember as the firm from Wolf of Wall Street. Yes prodigy ran a message board some did he. Did you have prodigy you on prodigy. I was not I was I was always A._O._l.. Per Se I was I was a huge prodigy guy and my property was like the market leader from it and then sears spot prodigy going to be in the weeds I would say the sears prodigy deal did not go how anyone thought it would. Maybe an example where the regulators should have stepped in and anyhow so prodigy around these message boards their users on the project message board he stratton oakmont is a sham. This is a bad company shouldn't do business. It's all fraud all the way up and down. The movie hadn't come out yet so I don't think the other people knew about it. <hes> in Stratton oakmont sued prodigy and said hey you guys you moderate these boards words you remove some contain violence rules you promote of the content you are exerting editorial control over this information and thus you're liable for it the same way <hes> newspaper it'd be so that's like a liable context right so if we add vox right in article that accuses Stratton oakmont of being fraudulent <hes> we are potentially yet legally vulnerable like they can sue us now as it turns out they actually were fraudulent turns out. This is true so the truth it is an absolute defense to liable but not come out McCaffrey had not yet exposed Stratton Oakmont but what it was so this is one of many reasons that we try not to publish inaccurate smears <hes> is that you could get sued for it and we are liable for the content on our on our side and so reliable if their position was because prodigy is maintaining editorial control over these message boards the company itself off which presumably has deeper pockets that like random message board guy is legally responsible for libel that occurs Yep and the corn agreed with him which was not an entirely expected result. There's a lot of legal wrangling. This phrase is GonNa come back to to haunt us and maybe bury me personally but there's not a legal wrangling over platform versus a publisher and you exert this much control or are you a publisher so the court said Okay you you you are liable to thirty and this is important point that everyone I think on the conservative side that is is arguing about right now is intentionally missing to thirty was written to overrule that case okay so in the the the the legacy of Stratton oakmont. It's twofold one great movie. Yes versions of Margot Robbie is a superstar in to <hes> to thirty right to thirty exists to overrule this case and say <hes> in platforms should not be treated as publishers publishers right so if you if you allow users to publish content on your platform you are not liable for that content at all. It's it's it's just a flat rule so only the person who actually rights thing yep only the person and actually makes content so for example we publish vox has a youtube channel we ever youtube channel. It's also pretty good. <hes> Youtube Google is not responsible for vox video publishes on his right so if I go up on twitter and I- liable people the people who I have libelled consume me but they can't sue twitter yep fright so what you hear the rhetoric is what we have to recognize that I'll hear Republicans say Ono. These companies are are acting as publishers not as neutral platforms Yep which is the old law right. The thing that to thirty was written to get rid of okay so the idea there the legal decision. I guess was okay. The platform form could be held responsible because they were exerting editorial control so you would need to say no. We're not moderating this at all. You obtain your immunity but in fact select the new law says it doesn't matter Yup right and so we we ignore and this is what I mean you can just go read it. I encourage everyone. Just read it themselves. <hes> it is not okay complicated thing to do. You want me to read it to yeah. Let's do it. Here's two thirty see one. No provider or user of an interactive computer service platform shelby treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider. That's literally all says okay Oh providers. She'll be treated as the publisher. Okay that's it. I don't know how I don't know everybody's getting it wrong but that's all it's so that so that's that's actually that's pretty straightforward out. But what is the like. What is the politics is going on behind this right like what what is it that Republicans in Congress are trying trying to accomplish here like what they want? <hes> total control of all information disseminate it on the united as far as I can tell but that might be the overread that that's just me I I live in a world where talk about two-thirty literally every day but what thereafter is there are only a handful of giant information platforms in the inner were rapidly approaching the stage where there might just be like six companies in the world but if you look at twitter Google and facebook they control role a massive amount of information and they all have rules about how they moderate their platforms Republicans think they are being over moderated and that is a rich argument for their base mostly because the hard right base ace engages in a lot of speech these moderation policies bands so that's a lot of racism. That's a lot of sexism. It's a lot of transphobia it just bigotry in general hate speech and bigotry in general then there's harassment which every platform wants to ban in one way or the other or moderate moderate and some of the other if you are a Republican you've got this base where increasingly it seems every day. There's a new scandal of racism or sexism or bigotry. I might add the president engaged in some an overt racism just recently <hes> well these these moderation decisions are are disproportionately impacting you and so you're like you're biased against my speech in this isn't free speech area. I think this point this was the the weekend before we recorded this. The the president was tweeting about how <hes> various democratic members of Congress should go back to their home countries. Most of them are American native born Americans. All our American citizens very racist stuff off a little bit of an unusual for Donald trump but not that unusual yeah and this is the essential problem right. I mean I think the progressive critique of the platforms on this score is that they don't apply these policies in a consistent way. They'll say well. We're not gonNA have hate speech. WE'RE NOT GONNA racism on our platform but then you can't or at least quote unquote can't kick the president of the United States off twitter or censor his communications and they're just isn't a incredibly credibly firm line between what I at least would consider racist speech and what I would consider mainstream Republican Party politicians saying things <hes> Mike like Donald Trump is not a fringe figure. Yeah I mean I I think one thing everyone will agree on <hes> just universally is that these companies are not necessarily well run right in and even if they were perfectly run the the nature of writing being in enforcing speech regulation is such that you're still going to do a bad job right like the United States has been trying to develop a free speech policy in our courts for two hundred twenty plus years and we're pretty bad at it but like four guys at facebook aren't going to do a job in twenty years so there's there's that problem right like where does the line cross from being a pretty funny joke to being overtly bigoted. It really depends on we all understand said absolutely depends on context it depends is on who you think you're speaking to whether it's you know a group of your friends or whether suddenly twitter's algorithm grabs you amplifies you to to millions of people like how many little twitter scandals are a throwaway comment that somehow went viral and now someone's crying like we understand happens every day the other problem and I think this is where I come back to. There's only this tiny handful companies. These companies are monopolies in their space. So you see Republicans saying that you're violating my free speech rights. The president is saying they're violating our free speech rights. They're not the government right there. There's no either private companies. If you do whatever they want by statute. They are allowed to do whatever they want but there's nowhere to go so if you feel like tweeting important the president feels like tweeting is important and you're constantly being bombarded with moderation decisions for your base. It does feel like this this these companies are censoring us and then you might say over moderating overstepped about might as well just be liable for everything the newspaper would be even though the statue doesn't say that at all okay so you know I'm into everyone's great basics for men the t shirts denim. I've been talking about it on this show for for a long time. Now everybody makes premium essentials using the finest materials without out traditional markups so it means they're closed. It looked better that cost less they last longer <hes> it's summertime. I've been bussing out just like a cap. I've had from ever lane for longtime grape. Keep I'm bald. I need this kind of stuff in the summertime and mostly their weekender bag. 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But it's too right in in the nineties you had a bunch of different sort of <hes> nascent decent Internet <hes> platforms and you would dial into them and it was prodigy compuserve and there was America Online and I think there were a couple more and I think the vision that people sort of had at that time of how this would evolve. Job Is that this would continue to be a rich space of competition in which consumers would probably subscribe to one or two of these <hes> pick them and so then different companies would have their own moderation policies and there would be a variation right and part of the basis of competition would be trying to pick an approach to moderation that people liked and different people would have different tastes different people would participate in different ways and it would be sort of all good right but but instead we live in a world where there's a conversation on twitter that does not have any close analogs anyplace else. Youtube is where people find videos bright like all people who get get short internet videos like get it from youtube so if you can't publish to Youtube <hes> kind of out a lot quite it's like everybody cares a lot about these companies policies. We see it having big systematic social impact and not just being kinda like well. I don't like this. I'm going to go elsewhere yeah. If you're heavy twitter user depression be you're probably more impacted day-to-day by a random twitter policy decision did by any decision. Your local government makes that is a crazy scenario to be in but it's where we dr it. If if you are a youtube crater in you know the verge covers youtube creators very closely. They're always Kinda mad at YouTube. My sube is the gateway to their economic. Freedom and Youtube is not great at handling it screener class so you see the enormous enormous amount of power these companies have and you see this sort of lack of market competition so if you're a Youtuber I hate youtube. Where are you going to go? Where's the other platform? That's going to provide you a career the way that you to provide you a career so then if youtube says hey you cross this line right. We made this moderation rule in six months ago. Enforce it this way but you know times have changed. We're GONNA enforce it. Slightly tighter. Were democratizing you now. We're leading your channel all the sudden. You're like wait a minute. That was my livelihood. That was my business us. Took it away from me. 'CAUSE 'cause you decided to and there's there's not again these companies not well. There's not a lot of transparency in that process. There's an appeals decision if the state did that kind of thing we're we're looking at like a decade worth lawsuits on Youtube does it. You're just done. There's nowhere to go and then conversely if you think about you know how google sort of ranks different articles in its searches or how things propagate on facebook right but if you were riders S._O.. I want my articles to perform well on these platforms platforms but that's just as somebody interested in public affairs right like there can be a big news event you know <hes> there's a Supreme Court justice being nominated and lots of different people cover it and which of those articles is widely disseminated in which aren't went plausibly has a big impact. I mean not just on the economics of businesses that depend on these platforms but on like society as a whole right. The distribution of articles that are favorable unfavorable to your point of view is is something that you know people care passionately about with with good reason right. There's a big social implication to what what happens here and it's it's really Josh Holly Right of Missouri. Has I think been the sort of bleeding republican republican guy on this and his take as far as I understand it is that the big technology companies are suppressing conservative speech similar to sort of classic Republican criticism of Media Bias except now with maybe more more sort of legal regulatory teeth. He can bring tobare yeah so holly was the Attorney General of misery one would assume he can read a statute and divine what it means yeah <hes> but he you he's insistent that the platform publisher dynamic exists for two thirty. He's called thirty a gift to big tech companies that they get the bill big advertising businesses based on user content and they're not fair users. I think that framing is is a little wrong. <hes> I mean it is a little bit of a gift. Don't get me don't be mistaken. <hes> it is the thing that enables or business you cannot run it user generated content platform if you if you are liable for everything everything users post the these businesses would not exist so in that sense yes it is the enabling policy for Google and facebook and twitter and so we're his proposal I think goes completely off the rails especially. If you're a conservative is his ideas. If you are a company of certain size your big enough <hes> you will then have to submit to the Federal Trade Commission every two years proof that you're moderating unbiased way the federal trade commission waft vote on a majority line <hes>. I think it's <hes> it's there's five commissioners. He wants forums. You want you want appeal one over okay from the other side to say that you're you're unbiased and then you get to thirty protection but if you don't prove that you're unbiased protection goes away so what would unbiased mean in that context. That's what sort of this is one of these things. I mean you know if you know politics right. Nobody's going to stand up there and be like no biases. Good right is by definition like it's good to be unbiased <hes> but also what products are unclear undefined so that's that's some work they have to do. The Federal Trade Commission mother is not staffed to write a bunch of speech regulations and handle a bunch of complaint so the next in the next part of his bill is if any user has a complaint they can take. It's the F._C._C. and say it's bias you know rearing its ugly head and M._C._c. investigate in the penalty could be pulling the protection away and holding them liable of immoderation decision happens under under the holly proposal <hes> that's wrong. The company Gets Jail Free Card if they name the employees who took the biased moderation decision and immediately fire them so that raises the stakes and it's moderators just like ever-higher her because they will be publicly shamed then fired. We've covered a lot of how moderation works at the Verge Casey. Newton has been writing a lot about facebook moderators and the conditions they work in. He's maters make fifteen dollars an hour they get nine minute in wellness breaks as they wash just like flood of horrifying video that gets updated to facebook to hold them personally responsible on threat of the entire business collapsing unless they are named in fired isn't insane policy outcome but that's part of hollies bill and the whole goal here is I think a laudable one I think he he is not wrong. In saying these companies are not transparent. We're GONNA hold them to a massive transparency standard so we understand their rules. We understand how other enforcing them. There's a check on those rules that they're unbiased however you wanted to find that and if they make mistakes they have to take these actions or face consequences. That all seems right so this is about four more moderation though like I look at this video when I say like No. You can't have this facebook. It's not about the like out because there's an algorithm ick waiting or of some kind of I mean I I don't understand what it is <hes> but like clearly some stuff goes like hiring your search results of other stuff goes lower. Some stuff is judged as more credible not a bit but that's that's like a different subject. It's all it's all part of the same <hes> Litany of conservative complaint so trump just had the social media summit. If you read the remarks Godspeed but in the middle of videos I used to tweet and the number I'd watched the numbers like a rock and he just like rattled off a list of numbers and he's like but now see these numbers and he rattled lost list of slightly smaller numbers. There's some complaint they're they're being a shadow. Band is a favorite term that they publish. Nobody can see them or that. They're being <hes> diminished and the rankings none of that has to do with moderation none of that has to free speech but it's all part of the same sort of litany any of complaints and so if you make it more transparent you make the algorithms more transparent. The argument is okay well. You'll be forced to come clean about your your horrible liberal biopsies and the fact that urologists in big Democrats pocket look at the notoriously well organized unified goal so the Democrats <hes> we'll come together none of that is true and if you just want to really state that clearly if you look at the stats you go to crowd tangle which services facebook if you look at <hes> who the most important politician on twitter is it is not is though conservatives are being suppressed in any way or conservative speeches being suppressed anyway. Fox News is routinely the most shared thing on on on facebook. <hes> Breitbart is still <hes> routinely cited across the conservative universe on these on the social platforms you just see over and over again evidence that conservatives features actually being amplified by these platforms not suppressed right so the read of truth and all this is that these companies are incredibly powerful right and they're not facing the kind of market competition that we might have you know maybe originally thought that like online bulletin boards we're GonNa face and that seems like beyond this esoteric of this communications decency act rule role. Nobody understands heard of the this is what we traditionally had antitrust policy for right yeah so antitrust I think is the next big sphere of regulation and I think it is. It's extremely related to sort of the holly proposal so if you look at Josh all this proposal he wants to make the F._T._C. in charge of content moderation for big platforms. He wants to be compliance. Regime Regular votes by unelected official the whole thing that is a lot of regulation. It is not what you expect from a Conservative then you have Elizabeth Warren saying well. These are just too hard to regulate this is break them up. Let's make him smaller and then they'll compete with each other and <hes> you know maybe instagram will be better at privacy than facebook or you know <hes> what's WHATSAPP will be better at messaging than instagram instead of having these sort of world-scale companies that even at like five billion dollar F._t._c. fine seems like a drop in the bucket for them so you see those two arguments like either you can have a bigger government or you can have smaller lawler companies and the the entrance is what we should just have smaller companies right. I mean this is like for big fans of American economic history. This was like disagreement between Teddy Roosevelt Woodrow Wilson <hes> hundred plus years ago was like do we need to have an intensive do except that the modern economy just requires these kind of big sprawling trusts and then regulate them intensively or do we say no. We can't trust the government to basically tell companies how to run their businesses but we need to do is break the big companies up and then let them slash force them compete with each other and so Warren has a proposal to do this. That has some <hes> I I guess you she brought some specificity ready to this conversation when she'd been percolating around in a in a slightly vague way other totally obvious to me how it would how it would address these these speech concerns right because her big thing is the kind of like vertical separation nation of that the elements of technical yeah so I interviewed her at South by southwest <hes> right after she rolled out this proposal her proposal has effectively like one big rule. That's important and then let's break up facebook right and they're not necessarily related <hes> but they're all they're all part and parcel same thing so the big rule is your company over certain size and you operate a marketplace. You cannot put your own products that marketplace right so if your Amazon you cannot preferentially treat Amazon products in the Amazon store if your apple. I think it's very interesting that in all of her messaging about this proposal related to this rule. She doesn't talk about apple when I sat down with her. I said you know there's one company name before it even finished the questions like apple in and I think that has to have popular apple is among sort of the general population in how medium unpopular is with say. It's developers income music spotify. <hes> apple runs the APP store store apple routinely <hes> gives preference to its own products in the APP store or routinely says her kinds of things. You can't make that we're going to preserve ourselves. Napster one went beyond actually saying neutrality right so her proposal is that you actually wouldn't be allowed allowed to to participate at all in that kind of marketplace so if you're talking about <hes> so Amazon right make stuff like Amazon essential stuff they have these fake clothing brands that all these other things and also obviously sleep like it's a big store right. Yes so this would essentially say like Amazon can't make first party stuff at all right yeah which is confused. I mean the history of house brands is very hot like very long right like it that that's a weird situation to be in <hes> be you'd Amazon store and it's sort of like kindle business would have to get split up now. That is a big remedy. It is again like the if you just think about the kindle business if you can't sell kindle hardware in the store because Amazon owns both but the kindle is tightly integrated with a bookstore right right. That's what you're really buying accesses bookstore. That's why the kindle so cheap. Are you going to break that up to like how does that. How does mechanic of that work is is really hard for the modern digital economy? The apple is a great argument with the APP store. which is we needed tightly control the store because it keeps our user safe and we keep militia for out of the store just last week? <hes> we use a video conferencing APP APP it at Vox media called Zoom Zoom had this like crazy security hole where they were installing web server on Max that he senate the right request. It would just light up your camera. which is the disaster scenario? You can't do that on iphone like you. Just can't be done so if that's apples like winning. Arguments tightly controlled this platform because people want us to because they don't want their cameras to turn on the middle night right I mean when when I talked at apple executives I mean this is what they were like really really vehement on that yeah we we sell the phones Jones right and we want people to like the phones and to that end we want to make sure that they're not accidentally exposing themselves to different kinds of things on the store and that's why we need to own the store but at the same time she doesn't name apple because Apple's not not a strong argument I think for her particular point of view on this but I think you have heard a lot of complaints that Google right would sort of start as okay. This is a great tool to search the Internet <hes> but then starts moving into kind of like squeezing out is own information provider so now you're getting you go to Google search in what you get is Google maps and you get Google reviews of things. Europeans have find them a bunch of times for for this idea that they are like loading the dice against other technology companies which I guess you would think could like squelch innovation deprived people choices stuff like that the key example there is yelp yelp and Google hate each other or at least Alpes Google and Google is indifferent which is worse <hes> so you know Google had had some listings for restaurant reviews and things like that they were scraping yelp stated yelps. It don't do that like just point to our pages <hes> after a while Google just started. Promoting its own listings however it got them over helpless. Things business went down a little bit. That's not a great outcome. It's not great for Gould say okay. We can see the most popular categories of of searches we can see. The providers are search engine is sending people to we can just integrate whatever information that is and point them to our own product right and now we're going to destroy this business now in one sense if there were a million competitor's for search engines you would say who cares right like okay Google's competing their differentiating. There's one and so like that one company is in charge of this massive set of like interlinked economic engines and that's not great and so you shouldn't have the the restaurant reviews industry should not really be Google search optimization industry well but yet that's where we are. I mean I'm sure you've you've heard the phrase that competition is is just a click away yeah and I if I mean that is Google argument to Europe. I think Google employees and like one hundred lawyers who just wander the streets of European capital Saint Competition is click away but like one of Brussels everything is French fries and Google lawyers. It's true it's very strange. It's really changed the tenor of the European Community. Is it like one last time he used being like. Is it really click away. We have in our in our twelfth floor kitchen here in the D._C.. Office we have a couple of the old <hes> scribbled mugs yet that Mark Penn made when when he was working for being yeah so that was if Microsoft and so the underlying technical argument by the way is is not so hard to understand. It's Google has such a commanding store of data about user intent that it is impossible to build a new competitor. You cannot build a better google at this moment because Google will do a better job searching because that story of data is actually the valuable asset asset right so the the search algorithm is not the asset that the massive amount of data that they that they have collected over the years about user intent what user wants <hes> is is the asset and know what you can't buy that asset you can only collected over time so so google continually optimize its results based on its backward analysis of users behavior. They see what you click on to try to understand what it is. People are really searching for with particular phrases and so the argument is basically weekly. The more people google the better google is and you can't compete with that right it has such a big first-mover advantage and of course like they do a good job right like the last smart people work at Google. They're not fools or anything but there's there's no way to beat them because you would be switching off to it inferior product unless everybody switched off and so this is like network effects is the I guess the economic c word not only everyone's push off but everyone switched off in somehow somehow switched off for ten years right or whatever it is or you could move your data and you can't so how are you GonNa do that so I think that network effect that is the underlying economic concept that we haven't reckoned with in society that these are all absolute winner take all markets. They're not a lot of other industries like big American industries that have been winner. Take all markets like this unless you go back to railroad oil railroads in oil companies written so Ben Thompson is really smart analysts here. It's blogs trickery <hes>. He has a a very smart riff on this called aggregation theory which I'm sure you're familiar with yeah. I never understand what he calls it that instead out of network effects which was the official name from my economics textbook and so the network I'm sure everybody <hes> weeds smart listeners. Now we're GONNA factors. Eighty of the product is more valuable than more people use it right so you buy one fax machine gene. This is a classic example one fax machine. It's useless. You know one other person fax machine. It's moderately more useful. You know a million people a fax machines. Fax Machine is incredibly valuable and then just like that the fax machine goes away. That's that's the classic for example the notify actually interesting. Let's talk about fax machines looking back. The crazy thing about fax machines is that they were interoperable. Read so the more people who own fax machines the more valuable the idea of owning quote unquote a fax machine became yet but nobody actually monopolized the market by saying no right like this one particular company sells the something machine and you need another one from that brand to interconnect connect with it right. If you had done that you had this like powerful fax machine network lobbying type thing but instead it was like we were all facts into each other like like Willy Nilly he was well. It's like email right like here's game doc. Nobody makes money off email yeah so if you look at fax machines I mean it really. There's podcast is called the weeds. I feel very comfortable going here. <hes> you look at fax machines. It's exactly the same as any other standard with in extension on top of it so you have to fax machines from Panasonic they might transmit and receive a little bit faster than the standard. You might get color. Capabilities Faster be always fell back to total interoperability that is just the same right now is air pods right apple makes air pods. They're very popular there Bluetooth headphones that can work with anything but if you happen to have an apple phone they work a little bit better than the next set of Bluetooth headphones. If you have to have an Apple Watch <hes> now you can sort of like easily connect to everything if you have an apple laptop it gets even better and you keep going going going and then by the time you WANNA buy a new car. You're like Shit. I have to buy new watch headphones phone laptop and that like I don't know if that's a good outcome right like you take fungibility out of the market anyway. The reason Ben Calls it. Creation theory is it's a riff on that network effects such that he sang the power in the market is no longer demand. It's aggregating supply so like most things aggregate demand. Everybody wants to buy <hes>. The new Ford Ford has a lot of power in the market because they control the man he saying Google controls supply right right so if you want to get to a consumer Google has all the consumers so now we're we're operating. We've converted the market. We've aggregated <hes> supply. That is a powerful theory. He's written about it a lot. I think that's one excellent framework for understanding. This modern moment like why can't be a competitor Google. We'll google already has all the people you're not adding new product the market you're trying to get all the suppliers all the people who are already optimizing their businesses to reach people through Google. You gotta move them. That's real. That's a really halt hard thing. Ask then. There's this like just very obvious okay well. What if we do have a bunch of winner? Take all companies. What if we are in this moment where there's only ever going to be an uber and lifted no third competitor? There's only going to be a google and I'm paying I guess and the in being being doesn't count <hes> what are only ever going to be to operating systems. Where do the challengers come from? How do they win? I've yet to see an answer to that question it. Doesn't we cover a lot of consumer products. There are not a lot of new consumer products in the market that it or not extensions of an existing ecosystem right so consumers are just getting locked in more and more into the products they have. Hey I'm Neil Patel editor in chief of the verge host of the verge cast we even revamping the virtuous more and more lately and coming out episodes twice a week. Sometimes even at Third Third Bonus episode on Tuesdays influential people around the world attack like Microsoft founder Bill Gates and other tech exacts like founder of lime scooters the CEO of beyond meat we must have been talking a lot of reporters academics about the major pressing policy issues intact facebook's content moderation alteration around doing great youtube harassment plan or lack thereof and whether or not the government should break up Amazon which maybe it should and then every Friday I sit down with executive editor Peter Bone Paul Miller for chat show we cover the latest news and product reviews agreeing our other reporters around averge that show is a party listen to you. All of you subscribe to the virtuous wherever you get your podcast love free to listen and join us so again subscribe to the virtuous wherever you get your podcast we'll see there. This is care Swisher. I WanNa tell you about my podcast podcast Rico decode every week we have candid in-depth conversations with people like Elon Musk Nancy Pelosi and Kathy Griffin we talk about how they got to wear they are today and how their work is changing our world new episodes of Rico decode our released every Monday and Wednesday and we often have bonus episodes on Friday subscribe for free to be the first to hear them on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP ten years ago right if felt like I don't know e.. T. Technology felt to me like this really wide open type of space whereas more recently when it's like I forget what it was right is like the Ring Doorbell Company got bought by one of these conglomerate Amazon by Amazon and Nascar Cup by Google and that feels like the inevitable outcome right. That's what success would have to be for technology products. These days is be people like it and they're like okay. This is a good team behind this. They're good at designing things and so therefore for some kind of conglomerate is going to buy them up because otherwise it wouldn't it wouldn't work right like everything is built around extensions of these platforms because you want your stuff to work with other Steffi's yes so we are recording <hes> right now. On the first first day of Amazon Prime Day <hes> prime days now to two days and then you can buy on sale Amazon today like an echo device like twenty two dollars. It's like no it's nothing like the amazons marginal cost tobacco. Go Devices is probably twenty bucks right. They're not making any of the thing but they get one in your house and then it is way more likely the the next smart company buys going to work with that Alexa device right so now you're like which lightbulbs should I use. I gotTA get some excellence which door locks well. I guess they make those two which video cameras and we put at the now you're just like fully into the Amazon ecosystem because he bought one twenty two dollars speaker and that's going to affect your purchases on an infinite timeline and is remarkable. I'm not saying that needs to like Google's in good competition with them. Apple has a competitor in that ecosystem. I'm not saying like the government should send its lawyers right away. I'm saying that is that is not what happened when you bought a Ford Award in nineteen seventy five right. You're not like okay. Every purchase I buy related to transportation for the next ten years like has to be approved by Ford that was not the case and I think removing that fungibility for market is the lead to some extremely distorted effects in power these companies to not only drive what you buy like drive your purchase decisions but affect what you see is where you get the Republicans a conservative sides. We need to regulate these companies way and so that's interesting to me is that there seems like not just two different diagnoses right. It's not just like Wilson and Roosevelt Trust busting or regulation but there's an interesting like disconnect right. Were so it's like Warren's antitrust idea would do a lot to this kind of like interconnectedness and how do the different levels of vertical integration relate to each other but I think not address at all it. At least it sounds to me this kind of basic concern that it's like look people go to Google and they want to search for like news articles about something right they want you know trump's tweets right and what people see and like how the democratic dialogue moves forward is heavily shaped by which articles Google chooses to make available to people <hes> and that's just a lot of a lot of power to concentrate in a kind of blackbox algorithm some guys in mountain view or wherever and even even the warns the proposal seems like so dramatic in some ways. It doesn't really address that core source of power. It seems to me it. Doesn't I think that's the key criticism of the proposal. If what you're trying to solve for is facebook should do a better job at privacy. Google should be more transparent and how it search results are put forth Youtube show a better harassment Halsey. There's nothing specific connecting breakup to those policy outcomes right. There's just a belief within the market that if facebook screws up people will switch to an independent instagram or the independent Instagram will be remained beloved while facebook series of scandals will lead. It's user base to decline or for an independent what's APP will not put advertising in what's up which is facing his talked about doing or not read your messages or whatever not quantity with what's up. They'll go back to charging fees. What's at and it remain private but so it's just to clarify this right so this is the other side of Warren read so one is like the separation of marketplace owners for marketplace participation and the other is like very specifically facebook now it owns instagram and also owns what's up and I think a lot of people I think Ben Thompson we referred to before red has like I think called letting that facebook instagram merger go through like the biggest you know antitrust policy mistake your generation? No one thinks it was a good except for Mark Zuckerberg even the founders of Instagram who quit we're like we are rich but like are we happy I this is what so you know sending to me right. I remember when facebook bought instagram. I was more of a business columnist for slate at that time and people were incredulous about the amount of money that the instagram guys made whereas in retrospect it looks like it was like a joke right that deal the century they got a a billion dollars. It's nothing about Youtube for far less than that deal with a century right. So you know the the theory here is that you could have if youtube was spun off if instagram was spun off off what's APP was spun off then you would have more sort of competition between these companies even though they don't quite do the same thing yeah what's the first thing youtube would youtube right. Now is the second largest search engine on the Internet right. The first one is Google. You spin off Youtube. What's the first thing they do? They expand the nature of their search engine. What's the first thing Google does they build a video business right right so now they're directly in competition with each other? You're an unhappy Youtuber <hes> well. There's big company. They're they're trying to rebuild you. Maybe you go there. <hes> you spin off. What's APP from facebook? What's the first thing they do? They build a photo sharing service right. What's the first thing facebook does it it? It invested Messenger instead of. china truffle people around it's it's three platforms so the optimistic story about that would be that you would then have a stable basis of competition right that instagram would add features beyond photo sharing to it's is like basic social graph while facebook would also try to do you know photo sharing and then you would have these two different companies and youtube would have non video stuff in it and google build a second video platform and of course instagram it would be natural throw to expand into video and so you might have like five or six different companies kind of all in but then the experience of snapchat like makes me sort of dubious about this right like facebook did not by up snapchat and eliminate a potential competitor there instead they just sort of they copied the basic some of stamped heads major basic functions and then took advantage of the fact that they both like employ a lot of smart engineers and they already had this huge a user base and they just kinda just kinda crushed yeah famously rebuffed facebook so first of all the competition point it really relies on the notion that the people in the market are going to choose privacy which is not true like people often pick convenience over privacy it happens every like they use google they continued use facebook they're not switch away like the absence of competitors is but one factor her but then we are all installing microphones and cameras and our house like left and right so like the idea that the market will reward this privacy signal it's a little bit on faith but it's there the second part is snapchat and that is really an advertising dilemma which is okay snapchat exists it's ad targeting is not as good as <hes> as facebook's or youtube it's audience isn't as big and its audience is very young so we don't have the money yet they will have the money sunday right so you got to e they got hold on the like all these teenagers they got a girl up with snapchat they gotta get some disposable income and then then you can like saw him a car that's a long curve snapshot is successful they're just not successful on the scale of facebook and i think that is another distortion in the market right where you know apple spending what fifteen billion dollars episode for the t._v. show it's making all command is blind it's very confusing they could make a hundred episodes of that that show at fifteen million dollars piece they wouldn't take percentage off their cash reserve right like that's crazy that's an incredible scale and it distorts everything it makes everything else feel small when if you just took that stuff off the y. axis you would see there's there's action this incredible variability right and if you believe in aggregation if you believe in the power of network effects then i think you're gonna you're going to think that these mergers that happened in the facebook universe are sort of incidental right at the marketplace just tens toward a winner-take-all dynamic and the you are going to have because facebook no so much about so many people already it is going to be an optimal old targeting platform and sort of can't beat that right just like like microsoft was not like like helpless little guy when it tried to get into web search but it just doesn't work anyway right and that's a that's a tougher question right like if the basic economics of the situation ten toward monopolization i like they do with electrical utilities right i think we we've just given up on the idea like there's not going to be seven different companies running power lines lines down your street connecting to every single person's house and then you pick which utility you're gonna use right like it's it's a call to a natural monopoly and either they are owned by the government or they're regulated by public utility commissions and you know people complain about it a lot <hes> but that just kinda is what it is and you need to learn to accept it yeah we had that same certain natural ropley conversation broadband lines right should they be regulated the same as phone lines under title to <hes> should we impose net neutrality the it yes one good argument that's argument i make a lot do you argument for no is we'll look the physical infrastructure here doesn't matter of eventually wireless will overtake it anyway so on and so forth everything is fine right and then you look at the internet access companies and they are they're not they're not rolling out like tons and you access products they're busy buying content right so like a._t. and t. owns game of thrones now is a very strange outcome in this world with that kind of loops us back to to where we started right that if you go back just a few years ago right there was a big conversation about network neutrality and it was like liberals really really wanted this and conservatives were saying this was a bad idea and it feels like we're now having the same mm argument about digital platforms except somehow the the the sides have gotten reversed it is deeply confusing right so the the conservative position on the lines in the grand so think about the classic nick way to think about networks is in layers it's like a weeds engineering thing but the you've got your physical layer you've got your network layer you've got your application layer and on and on goes so that conservative physician jeep pies the republican chairman of the s._e._c. she says the the physical and network layer should be totally unregulated we can trust the i._s._p.'s don't worry a._t. and verizon they're never going to block or throttle or prefer their own services and send you know a._t. is not going to any time warner content faster than it sends you <hes> disney content that seems fanciful but okay but trust them they're good even though there's not a lot of competition here and you'll one layer up into the application layer we're google and facebook facebook live and you have conservative saying they're biased against us we must impose <hes> fairness regime on them to make sure they're transparent the f._t._c. has to monitor them every two years you know like wait a minute like if you think monopoly at this players bad most americans have one or two access layer choices why why don't you think it's bad there and i've never there's not one place where even pie again the charity s._e._c. is like don't don't worry about the broadband providers the real problem is google and it's like no they're all product up and down the stack that's a problem okay but if i if i could some in egypt pie here i think what he would tell you is that we have plenty of experience with with the network infrastructure and they are not in fact like favoring liberal or conservative news sources whereas the reason we have these complaints about youtube is that like they they really are google has democratized certain people able shows right <hes> facebook does kick certain content off right and if comcast did that right there would be like a huge human cry if comcast made certain websites suddenly inaccessible so there would would-be hasn't happened yet so that entropy went away about a year ago it's amazing we started to thirty guessing that neutrality would i promise the audience it's all it's all the same sort of confusing fight comcast when they bought n._b._c. by the way comcast is an investor in our company for like we have to disclose it yeah because every time they don't like very much but i'm disclosing so comcast when they bought n._b._c. they made a deal with the s._e._c. in the s._e._c. is you cannot favor n._b._c.'s content on your services which they would would have done they absolutely would have made it so that a comcast subscriber could have <hes> streamed m._s._n._b._c. and that would be free from the data cap <hes> but fox news would have hit the data cap right that's that's putting a toll on fox news well a._t. and t. just part time warner time warner c._n._n. you don't think every a._t. and t. phone is gonna come with c._n._n. app that doesn't hit your mobile data cap like within minutes it's obviously going to happen there are definitely gonna do with h._b._o. so now you're now how you have an immediate sort of information bundling with access and that is the net neutrality problem it c._n._n. will be free on eighteen devices and fox news will not you've arrived at doesn't sound so bad right but like that's isn't isn't that the nightmare isn't that the thing that they're like liberals were saying trolley they will favor some viewpoints over others and then they bought a viewpoint and they're going to favor it in the only reason it hasn't happened yet is that there is a lawsuit filed against the ask c. c. <hes> for repealing neutrality rules and it's still pending before <hes> the d._c. circuit and everyone's waiting for that to to hit and no one knows in the second you know they ruled swore against you'll you'll begin to see this bundling happen okay so but then this seems to be like shoes on both feet right that like i hear liberal saying well we want more aggressive sort of moderation i think a lot of times from these technology platform companies it's like like why aren't you getting rid of the harassers twitter you know why aren't you like getting disinformation off facebook things like that but these are the exact same people who were warning about violations of net neutrality and so it feels in my bones right the the difference is is that when people are thinking about the physical infrastructure company is being non neutral they were assuming <hes> business strategy non neutrality right so it's like we are going to give preferential access to h._b._o. and to c._n._n. because that is the content that we own right or comcast is going to give preferential access to vox media websites because we're an investor in vox media full disclosure death that'd be great for us transparency that'd be awesome awesome right fake us and not invest in buzzfeed better but whereas wh what's being envisioned with facebook is like not that facebook will or should favour lever like properties at facebook owns but that facebook should do essentially editorial judgment right and like should promote like good reliable new sources and not bad ones but theoretically the broadband companies could do do the same right like i'm on t. mobile t. mobile could maintain like a blacklist of like unreliable disinformation websites and block them from me or something absolutely and i don't know i both feel uncomfortable with the idea of like a broadband infrastructure company censoring websites but also kind of feel like it's bad that facebook promotes a lot of disinformation so i guess i'm the hypocrite i agree with you it is i regret it the question well i'm my work is done here <hes> now it's the question is where where does the regulation lie where where's the check on the power right and it's the same question for net neutrality it's the same question for platform moderation decisions same question for should we break up amazon who's going to check the at increasing power these companies with net neutrality the answer generally is will the government should regulate these companies right there are natural monopolies you're not gonna lay more fiber on the ground even if you had fifteen companies digging up the city today fiber that's probably a bad outcome for variety of reasons there's probably i know you're a proponent of zoning conversations there's probably visit local zoning debate to be had about that like that's inefficient we kind of recognize it's inefficient let's just what's the late one set of fiber unregulated heavily and make sure that has access to all you get to the platform level it's it's way harder i think it's just waste stickier right who is going to regulate relate to platforms is the platforms themselves are they competitive enough we could break them up maybe they'll be more competitive better moderating should we impose some sort of privacy law like the g._d._p. are here to say this privacy should work there's a massive fines associated with it because you are so a big should we just admit that the network effect such aggregation theory is created a new kind of economy in total and just like menial at patel right rules for it because i come into a fresh eyes at two good idea where's the check on this power and i think the the answer is these companies are now so big and so powerful that everybody feels it and i think on the conservative side what they feel is their base regularly engages in toxic speech and so they complain plane about it so they can constantly throw them this bone and that's just reality like there's a lot of racism on the heart right there's a lot of sexism on heart there's a lot of bigotry in general and then on the left what you see is hey we'd like less nazis please right and there's an incredible incredible i mean i 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What Happened to Ray William Johnson? - IMPAULSIVE EP. 166

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So yeah sure I dangle the bone from my dog had them run. Dude huskies have. Add have to keep them stimulated. Somehow I went like fake. Phishing for him. He's been looked down upon. If you're dangling a Boehner in front of him yeah probably just 'cause like you make a lot of Dick Jokes. I gotTa tell you what well I make Dick Jokes but you're at least I'm not a Dick like you. This is true that's true. Oh I'm working on speaking of that. I'm working on reason. My Libido Dude. Yeah how's that going for not good not good at all? I'm so focused right now. Like a guy's life is all about laws right sometimes you. You're on a wave of sexual escapades while crazy endeavors and sometimes you just running dry very dry spell so ladies. They'll booty call me because I will deny you and for time running dry. There's Blue Blue Dot com if you see. They actually didn't sponsor this episode but now they did and we will be sending you an invoice. I WanNA bring our guys. He's he's been pacing over there and I'm actually extremely excited for this. Guy is a youtube icon. His channel was the first to reach five million subscribers. You most likely know him as the face and creator of the equals three show. He's a founding father of the Youtube. As you know it please. Welcome Ray William Johnson. Check your hands but you might be infected all we are. We are good especially him here. This thing CAM GRANDPA good. That's what we call them. How thirty eight. Your GRANDPA Bro. Really young to you. Look Twenty five thousand five same thing exfoliating and shit where? I can't believe you're thirty. Eight thirty eight. You have a secret to stay young. I exercise and eat right by your skin. Yeah I have that the heaviest organ in the body by the way really in fact the skin. Yeah that ask you do? Thank you for coming on. Yeah Man of course. Of course we actually met one time years ago I was. I'm sorry no doubt I was GonNa ask if you remember it and you don't think it's one thing to you the only thing I've ever said you in my life so we're at a party right. No no no no it was that I can't remember whose party it was but it was. It was super crowded and I don't even know why I was invited because I'm not in that scene and I don't recognize like influencers and I recognized you in the fact that I don't recognize influencers. You've ever know this but if you don't recognize you don't know who social media influence. Her is to their face. They get mass superman out. What you don't know who I am this. Oh that no you haven't seen my fortnight makeup tutorials us so anyway so I recognized you. I was like that's Logan Paul and it was before Tokyo. Yeah it was. Before Logan Paul was Logan Paul Vine Days I think it was like maybe I had either died or okay so anyway so when I saw you on vine before all that like I'm checking out a ton of social media you recognize anyone so I like. I'm checking out buying just to see what it is and to write it off as something that I don't want to do so I see I see you and I'm like this guy. This guy is going to make it like this guy. This guy is super charismatic. He's like he's the vine stuff isn't for me but like he's doing all the things that like hit the all he's in. His work ethic is putting out a ton of shit and I said to myself. There's only one other person I said that about. And that was Andrew Bachelor right and both of you guys made it so anyway and this before anyone who made it so fast forward a few years later and I see you at that party and you know I probably had a few and you're the only person I recognize there which is why I don't go to parties and so I'm GonNa go tell this guy what someone told me when I was starting. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa tell this guy that I think he's GonNa make it and I bet that'll make him feel real good so I went. I tap you on the shoulder as A. Hey Man Chimera Sir I have you on the show as a hitman come here and then you like crouch down and Shit because I'm all fucking you walk. They man I just want you to know you're GonNa make it and you were like really do that. So that's my slogan Paul Impression by the way dead on really do thanks and the party was so chaotic crowded that we were literally like separated right away so the conversation continues right now right so so it ended. I'm looking back going. I didn't even get to explain myself. I just walked up to a complete stranger and didn't introduce myself I just said. Hey Man you're gonna make it and he said thank you and then that was it the way. Of course I knew you were. I don't know if you know that if there's evidence by Brian Moment that's why I was like. Oh my God thank you well. I assume everyone knows I am but I assume you did because of your reaction but I didn't get to explain as far as you know. I was like stalking you or something like that or it was split broke or whatever or you were like just giving them a positive medical assessment. You'RE GONNA make this golf going for we're gonNA live but so I actually got that idea because someone did that for me and I don't. I'm not like a name dropper. But you should drop that name Dude Robin Williams hold up. Yeah so back in like maybe two thousand twelve I have to. I have the privilege of shooting this little tiny thing. This little scene with Robin Williams. That was part of a promotional thing that he was doing one of those penguins movies right and it was one of those scenarios where they invite all the press out and then each member of the press gets to fill something with him to a press junket or something like that and I was invited from like the social media category. Which at the time people weren't doing so I was like this is crazy and I feel I'm like the only person here is not a real journalist and I don't work for a magazine but like okay. You know like when you're kind of in one of those scenarios so we go to this hotel bank room that they rented out in each group got time alone with Robin Williams so me him his handler and like a cameraman and producer right. And let me tell you something about Robin Williams when I met him. First of all Robin Robin Williams is exactly the guy you want him to be. When he's on he's that he. He is the genie from Aladdin. He's like going a million miles an hour. Everything's a joke and it's incredible to watch and you sit there like this like so funny. I forgot to laugh but literally. Because you're in shock your oh this is amazing but the good thing about him is. I know a lot of COMEDIANS. Who can do that but some of them are so talented. They can't turn it off. Your met a comedian. Like that and you just have a conversation. He stopped joking. He can turn it off and when he did finally turn it off. He pulled me aside and he's like. Hey Man I want you to know a big fan of yourself stuff and I've been watching it. I can't believe that you just got an idea that you just went out. Your fitting just started filming yourself like that so crazy to me. No one handed you or anything like that and I think you're going to do really well man keep going down and I like I like die when I die as an old man. That'll be the second time I di- I died right there. I was GONNA ask you. Is that like how do you peak is at peake that was pinned? Robin Williams said he's a fan of yours. I came literally. Yeah you fucking beat you. Don't that's everything else is secondary to that dude on but the thing is before that now this is back in two thousand twelve so before that I had so much doubt about where the industry was going because it was all so undefined and in fact there was no definition of making it in the Social Media World. And they're still really isn't does that mean certain amount of followers. I mean a certain amount of money. Does that mean you are on some TV show? Who like who knows who the hell knows what it is but he basically assured me that whatever I was doing was it like that that was fine and I felt it necessary that like man. I got a past. I don passing the torch will. Yeah absolutely yeah absolutely. I. I'll fake you. Of course thank you. You made it man you got your own your names on the wall and of course we were at your house just so you guys know we're not in in an actual studio. We were filming in Logan Paul's House cleaning ladies in the next room. If she runs the back you gonNA screw this entire podcast. We love over here when you flush the toilet you can hear the turds pass overhead in the pipes. That's how much of an actual house we are in. How does it feel to know that the torch has handed you on? Impulsive was originally led by Robin Williams. Like I need to pass it to someone more worthy media man. I've always wanted you to do well like have always been rooting for you and I want you to pass it on to someone else. Whoever that is I have a job too late. Sorry but now I will maybe podcast. Now I go names on the wall. My Name's in the middle of a word. That is a real word. I just put my last name in there. That's not how you spell impulsive by the way for anyone wandering like I feel so bad for the person who's in the middle of a spelling bee and they go impulsive and spell it like this. This fucking show happened to me with the word mackey. I don't know if you remember this cattle. You remember Andy Kettle. This kid on our football team is lasting misspoke kettle. Ktel which is not the correct spelling gaming cattle in the spelling bee eliminated in the first bucket around. God You Andrew Robin Williams would return it and it's fucking grave. Fear that story Andrew Kettle. Did you were wide receiver. I'm sorry dude yes I that moment. I am honored that the moment you don't remember go ahead. No I do I. I don't like the party was crazy. It was I appreciate it and I do think it's an important moment honored that you chose me because do like I said I have. I've watched you since conception MAC actually over. There is my friend since I was six years old best friend. He introduced me to your stuff. Oh Nice equals three next Mac and good over there. You get your diet coke or anything fries really maxim. Can you give us a call and I mean if you could do that? I've got a couple of those. I haven't passed the torch but I've had definitely had moments where I commend young creators for their creativity. Actually David Frum Days. Back in the day when David was still in college. David dobric okay. I I was texting. We had a long back and forth and I was. I think it really fucking talented. You're hilarious you should move to. La and he was he was still. We've all as young. Creators had that memorial staying college go to college or do the La thing. Yeah but did you forego that moment? When did you start youtube? I'm looking right here. Ten years ago. Yeah so ten years ago my ass I started two thousand seven. Jesus had only been out for what a year. They've been out yeah. I wasn't counting at the time but maybe like a year ago and the only thing people were doing other than like uploading videos of their cats or whatever is it was. It was stationary Webcam. Talking head like all framed like this people just talking. That's what everyone was doing. And I say everyone I mean like maybe dozens of people or whatever and no one was talking about anything interesting but it didn't matter because it was so fresh and I saw it and I was like I don't want to do that. I could do that like because I'm going to school. I'm going to college and I'm I'm trying to pray for my my l. Sat. Which is you know to get into law school and everything. And he's like super broke because college will do that to you and I couldn't afford a TV but what I did have. Was this laptop and I would watch these videos. Watch these people and videos and I got so windows like man. I could do that. I could talk into a camera and I did. I started offloading and I don't remember what I talk about. Probably just like my day nothing interesting. I wasn't necessarily trying to be funny or anything like that and I just slowly from there got you know you get a few followers over a month and the next month you get a few more and after six months you got a couple of hundred and you're like Oh cool another six months you got ten thousand and you're like man. This is like a soccer stadium of people watching the talk about what I did in school. This is insane and it. Just it. All kind of like since snowballed from there. I guess you'd say that is absolutely insane. And you're the first channel hit five million subscribers. I think so Dylan told me that. I even doubled down. I said Dylan is that true. Okay so the yeah. The Internet told me that do that in a long time though the always right now right. You're doing your youtube or things. Before youtuber was a thing like what making youtube a youtuber thing? I don't know if that's good so no but like when I start when I started youtube it was I saw your stuff smash Jenna Marbles and like even then show and Carl I think so. Did you refer to yourself as a youtuber? Then because now it's now it is the most desire job for kids under the age of fourteen. Like seventy five percent of them. WanNa be youtubers when they grow up? I don't think I did. I don't know win. That word came into favour and I feel like it's sort of fallen out of favor in terms of like influence or whatever because no one uses or anyone who has brain doesn't just use the platform like you. WanNa you WanNa hit all right so I think the term now is influence our. I know it was a term back. Then I just don't know when and I don't know if I ever referred to myself as that particularly I have so many questions God just from collapse to the current state of Youtube verse the past eight of Youtube even like monetization stuff okay. I'm not like a Youtube Guru. Man It is one of many platforms that that I've used over the years but I can try to answer whatever you want to ask. Were TIMES SIMILAR BACK. That before ad pacalypse before the bad actors such as myself for you to boxing before the distracts Ray William Johnson. What was it like? People weren't kicking the shit out of each other and boxing rings to like whatever proved their point. That wasn't a thing that's fairly new out. So stupid I would say. Chickening sounds absurd because all of it all of it is absurd every every single part of what we do is absurd. And don't don't take it seriously. Don't tell yourself that it's anything more than that. It is you boxing. Someone in a ring is as ridiculous as US pointing a camera at ourselves and taking a Selfie Stupidity. And it's stupid that we make money from it but we do look at it. I think about it every day and I'm like what the Hell is going on. I wasn't even you know how this latest political climate people are like what time line we live in. I was the what time line and we live in guy way before that because of the ship we do. Because I can't believe I get paid to do this. People Watch it's crazy it's odd. It's super odd. Bumfights was the moment for me when when bumfights came out. I was like wait. Someone is recording bums fighting and making money off of it. Not just recording them. Dude no no no not just recording them. They would pay a bomb. You'll fight another that. They also paid and they would film it. It was crazy. Yeah how did you have the charisma? Have you always been this like charismatic big personality because that's the thing that's the factor that ninety nine percent of people striving to be youtubers? Do Not Have I. Yeah I don't know I don't know if I so I go through phases where sometimes. I'm like chilling relaxing. Sometimes I'm sort of on and any time that I get on camera it's You get that like nervous energy. People say oh. Just be yourself on camera. I think it's almost impossible to be one hundred percent yourself in the same way that that okay so if you went through your average day either you. You're going through your average day now tomorrow. You're going to go through your same average day but your mom's GonNa be looking at you the whole time. It's like you would act slightly different even if you were trying to none of be yourself like even if you were trying different you would act slightly different so when a cameras on. It's the same thing. It's so weird because we we have conversations all day where the jokes are slap all day boom boom and. They're the kind of jokes that make people fall at a fucking chairs and then when we turn the camera like Yo. How do we for myself? At least I'm like how the fuck do I get back there on the camera goes on? I'm always slightly not as good as I am in just casual conversation when a lot of people are like that do do. How many people do you know anyone? How many whole Larry's people do know in real life who just simply cannot translate it to a means of monetization such as youtube a Taco? Stand up comedy whatever. Some people are just funny in real life. Most of the people I know who are funny in real life can't translate it to anything writing standup including anything at all. Like they go to their job and in finance and then they go home to their wife and kids and that's that's just sitting there just wanting personality too. You know what I'm saying. You have to want to be an entertainer to be an entertainer. You've got to be a little fucked up facts. You gotta be like man. I I didn't get the validation I needed growing up. I need it from all million of you. Yes exact- I know. You went through the struggle of just on that note validation from views and subscribers. Are you pass that? Yeah how far past that? I'm assuming awhile well. The thing is so I've been doing this for you. Know what almost a decade and a half so. It's sort of what I do. It's not necessarily who I am but it's what I know how to do. I know how to do social media stuff. I know how to monetize it. I know how to make money. I know how to like. Keep adding to your catalog so that the bigger catalog gets. You'll always be churning out. I just I just know how to do it. Do why care about likes and not really I. I care about that stuff much as like a minute. I'm trying to trying to think of a relationship. There are certain things you look for and then there's some things that are secondary you know what I'm saying so making content that I want for people who want to see. It is first and foremost and like being creative. And there's a huge part of me. Now that I'm sort of evolved into that wants to use entertainment to help people right and oh I did see some of this and use uploads so so that is incredibly important to me the likes it's vanity metric so the main thing like her the girl's personality is making stuff you. WanNa make and giving people value girl's personality the fact that she can make really good neo key right. It's a secondary like she got. She got a tramp stamp and I'm like okay. That's I can deal with. That's the likes the secondary secondary facts transient issues like she was like knock-kneed or some pigeon toed or something. Well no I thought you said it was a secondary benefit. Now you're talking about bad things. Wrong shrimps totally screwed up I totally yeah. Let's just talk about things that we don't want in women that will go over really with three. Exactly there's so much testosterone in this room. You guys need some more women in here. I'm telling you any more of you. Running around John is a real one one. The total bro. Kansan here she ain't exactly like the most estrogen filled woman either like she's a bike riding hunting. M A boxer woman. Wow with a ton of testosterone testosterone. When you said your assistant kicks ass you literally auto she sent to Austin. Mcbroom came in my backyard. The other day Trying to prank me with phase rogue and like masks on then he comes out with any of those words mean but go on mask youtubers. Okay okay about the payback gun defend in the house. Oh Hell yeah one warning shot. Oh Nice shot but yeah okay. So these are recent uploads and it's cool because you said you're trying to help people is that is that is that the motive for now. Is that the the goal. Yeah and there's a there's a crazy story about it and I'll I'll tell it to you but it might change Tony podcasts. Pretty Serious Story. And it's a little lengthy butts impulsive. Okay let's walk so my dad died. Okay now the story doesn't go the way you think about so he. He was never really in my life like he was when he was married to my mom. When I was right when I was born he was he was pretty abusive. Guy At substance problems and all that and then growing up. He wasn't a picture deadbeat so when I was thirteen years old I was fighting with my mom a lot single mom and I was like I'm Gonna I'm GonNa to have a relationship with my dad tried to live. My Dad can be cool so went live with my dad and he was like the Cool Dad. Like let me have a beer every now and then and you don't thirteen. I'm like this. This is amazing and it was like the next state over so it was. It was far away from you. Know my my mom and all of that that I could be and it took me about three months to realize this was not a good idea because this guy was. This guy was drunk like a really bad alcoholic so he was an addict he smoked weed all the time which is not a huge deal except that he never had a job the entire time. I was there nor did he have one years before or after he lived off his mooch off his girlfriend. Who Actually did have a job? He did a lot of meth and when I say he was abusive he would smack around his girlfriend and my half sister who was from different family right so she lived there too so he would smack them around like get super drunken violent he. I remember one day. He picked up Like one of those big ASS Mason Jars of loose change and threw it out his girlfriend's head full of change. You'll heavy that is and it's shattered on the wall. He took a like a a wooden broom and he speared it through the wall. Throwing it out. His girlfriend was shit. Like spirited into the sheet. Rock like dude was super violent right and I was young enough to know like I was never abusive to me. And I don't know why probably because my biological grandfather would have destroyed him because he was a mean old man but he was never abusive to me so I just had to watch everyone else. Go through it and I was young enough to know that it was wrong but I wasn't. I wasn't old enough to know that I could actually do something about it. By telling the police are telling teacher is like well. There's nothing I can do so the school year finished and I moved back with my mom. I WANNA come back. She's like yeah. I thought this would happen. Come back and I went back and like I've appreciated my mom and ever since then I realized. Oh our petty disagreements were were just nonsense but I told myself man. I'm never talking to that guy again. He is a nightmare so three years after that. I still hadn't talked to him he. He has my social security number. All My bank account information. He goes into one of my my bank account and he took out all the money and like it. That was the bank account that was four my college tuition now. Realistically there was only like two thousand five hundred bucks in there but that was all the money in the world to me and that was gonNA pay for my Freshman Year of college and he straits swiped it and I told myself again. I'm never never talking to the skulk. He's he's the worst of the worst like every story I hear about him. It just gets worse and worse so ten years after that. Maybe eight years after that. I still hadn't talked to him. He hadn't reached out or anything like that. No Men's no. I'm sorry anything that I get a call from my half sister. The one that I watched him beat the shit out of her. And she's like. Hey I want to let she's a she's roughly my age but she's like. Hey I want to let you know I'm getting married. I'm calling everyone around. You know everyone in the family and letting them know and I was really happy for her and the guy she was with was really nice and all that and I ask them like. Hey I haven't I have talked to data many updates on him like is he still alive. What's going on with him? She's like yeah. I took my fiance to go to his trailer to visit him. Because you know that's you introduce your fiance to your parents. And he's technically my parent and she didn't have a good relationship with him after she left either so she goes to introduce her fiance to him and my dad was like fallen over drunk and he knew she was coming. This wasn't a surprise visit and he so wasted that he hits honor like he made a pass at his own biological daughter in front of her fiance and fiance. I think almost kicked disaster but but again it was just another store that was. I'm never talking to sky again. I'm S- like every step of the way. I'm so glad that I never rekindled that relationship. So here's where it gets interesting. It's already pretty interesting. So back in maybe two thousand fourteen. I got a call from my mom. My Mom's like hey I want you to know I got an update on your dad that you wanna hear like all right. Well whatever. Mom what does that low-life doing. She's like well he has cancer. And I'm like Oh Jesus wow my bad I didn't. I was kidding. No she's like. Yeah it's really bad. It's like spread to his lungs and his liver and I think his jaw. So by the time you went to the doctor it was like everywhere and and he's got about a month or two to live. Wow that's that's crazy. I didn't know what to say. And she's like yeah and he wants to see you and after all that everything that I had been through. I couldn't say yes I had to say no. I can't and about a month later. He died and so to me. Point of my story is that it was then in there that I realized that I didn't want to be like him. Not Not just in the sense that like I don't want to be an addict and all that but here was a guy who fucked up every relationship. He had with anyone who would have ever cared about him. His girlfriend's his kids his other family members. Everyone and on his deathbed he wants to be like. Oh my bad. Can we have a relationship now? Just you know. Can we do that and so I looked at that and I said that's not going to be me so what I did was. I started working on myself. We're GONNA myself. I started working on every relationship that I had. I started being more outgoing and forthcoming with my feeling. Specially the positive ones like telling people. Hey Man I think you're doing really great. I think you're GONNA make it. You know what I'm saying. Do in that kind of stuff and really getting into like self development and self improvement on myself because I firmly believe you gotta work on yourself before you can really help anyone else. So I've been on that journey. Four maybe five five years or so and now that. I'm now that I've been doing it so long. I get this vibe like I got to give back. It's time to give back. I gotTA help other people with what they're going through. I got to help them find themselves and who they are. Because life's complicate it's hard to figure out we don't have a definition of what the hell can get is. We just got to assume that we've made it so that's what I'm doing now and so I got this idea that I'm going to start. A brand now. Brands REPRESENT THEIR PRODUCT. But they also represent something more like Nike shoes put. They represent like sport right and coca-cola represents like classic America not just soda so my idea was going to make this brand and this brand was going to represent helping people and helping yourself somehow. Somehow I'm GonNa make that work so I started show Couple of months back. I just wrapped the first season and put it on all the platforms. I started the the you know. There's a facebook account and instagram account. All stuff that like just launch in. It's all geared around self development now superhuman. It has superhuman and people. You know people ask me like well. GonNa make money like well. Money is like the the tramp stamp this conversation. It's IT's secondary I want to help. People there are other ways. I make money. I'm doing fine in that department. Been doing this long enough right. So that's a story. That is the most important story I've ever heard on impulsive that that was incredible. That was BRI glued emotional. Just thinking about the story that you just told I was I was wondering what you were going to say you did when it was at the The cost of the precipice. Obviously sure for sure for sure I was Gonna ask is do you. Do you regret that at all. The regret not not not visiting him. I don't I don't but I still think about what would have happened. Had I gone? I think if I had gone. I think I would be mad at myself. I'd be like man I gave that. I gave him exactly what he wanted. And he didn't learn the lesson that I feel like I want to learn from that which is sometimes. There's no going back. Sometimes when you screw over people that really care about you and your wellbeing like that is it that is a that is a very grave very serious. Very heavy example. But we in this house have Been revolving around the word describing the scenario which is accountability accountability. Accountability is is so fucking huge and I think our generation will carry that so much with so much more weight than than the previous ones because especially with social media. People are being held accountable for their actions. Yeah and and I'm I'm I mean I don't I don't know the man but I I'm glad you did not give him a pass. Because that's that stuff sounded horrifying and Yeah I can imagine going through and even just hearing about it through. Your half sister was very traumatic. So some condolences some people. It's fine man. Some people you know in the family did because they see it differently than I did. But some didn't and I was one of the ones that I guess. Now I say it firmly like I was like no mom but you know it took me. It took me many like heavy of course straight up. Of course it was having a hard decision but now it's such a common deathbed request people to see the people that they've wronged and it's that's a and I always thought it was a cliche looks for movies or whatever until it happened to me and I'm like no way this guy he's got a month and now he's like what are we going to catch you to play catch. What is what's going to happen. He's never been in my life. I was I always wondered about this moment because I always thought like the easy. Like what's the easiest thing for you is it to go and to and to fulfil that last request and be mad at yourself because you gave in and you gave them that piece before they passed or is it harder to put your foot down and then spend your life thinking like should. I have gone. You know what I'm saying to give him that last bit of peace before he moved to the next and I totally agree. And and it's it's indicative of the position that he put me and my half sister and a lot of people in which is like he put me his kid in a position to make a parental decision to teach him a lesson. And that's not a decision that's not a position you want to be. And when you're a kid it's not position you need to be in. You need parental guidance. And some of these things And the really bad parents will sort of reverse it on their kids. And that's that's what. He was exactly what he was doing even into my adulthood. Put me in that position to be like no. No you gotta teach you a lesson and that's garbage. I agree I don't have. I don't want kids for that reason really. Yeah it was that bad that well not not that reason. I don't want kids that's just not my contribution is not the way. I'm going to contribute to the world. Gotcha okay. Who's WHO's superhuman aimed at is aimed at people are struggling with with those kinds of situations mental health addiction. Or Or. You just want to help grow. It's it's aimed at anyone who needs help her like right now. It's it's so broad it's like this is one of the slogans but if a slogan believe in yourself that could that could attract anyone right so right. Now it's brought. It's it's it's people who want to help themselves. People want to help other people that's A. That's a massive departure from equals three. It is a look. My humor will always be there right. So there's there's still some of that injected but yeah so the the the equals three of it all the social media part the part of me. That does other things. It did very much. What social media personalities do? Which is you turn a camera yourself and you look at me. Look at me how great I am and how important I am and I've done that for a while and it's honestly it's empty for a really long time I just don't get that joy out of it and part of my part of my discovering. That was a few years ago. I got this idea. 'cause I get these ideas and then I just go for it. That's as part of my personality right so I got this idea I was like I'm Gonna I'M GONNA try stand up. That looks like so much fun. I'm going to do it and I did it. And it was hard but I got you get good at it and I toured around America for two years. That was just a couple of years back and when I was doing these tours like part of the part of the appeal is that you meet the fans afterwards and they take a picture with you and they love it so people would come up and they'd be like man that was so funny. That was so great. You you're amazing and all this stuff and there's a certain amount of validation that goes into that. Yeah yeah sure but what they also told me was something that really shocked me and they they would say things like you've always inspired me. You're so inspiring. I started my thing because of what you did and I never knew that and I never knew that I would have that impression on power now that feeling that they gave me when they were like that was so that was so. I looked up to you and you were inspiring. That feeling was in completely different from the yourself. Funny Wow oh forget and once I started feeling that over and over again it started giving me these ideas of like. I think this is the direction I need to go. This is I'm not gonNA have kids my contribution to the world is going to be something completely different right much more. How much more was that? Because I just started dealing with over the past six or so months myself. I've built myself on a platform of addiction. So when people say to me like you talking about addiction has helped. Stop doing heroin. Whatever right it's amazing right? How much better does that feel than add sense Czech hitting your bank? Do you know what I'm saying like I'm sure you've got so used to that too. Ching Chang and letting that Ron everything that when you felt that I tell you you inspired me to make a change in my life. What did that feel like? It's hard to make a comparison. Let me let me. Here's why because with with the The social media money the the the adsence check I guess as you call it There's you know the first month of having sex with your girlfriend. And then there's nine years android. Yeah I've been I've been you know having sex with that since challenge for nine years. Yeah like at some point at some point. The feeling it's good in the security is amazing but the feeling is not quite the same. And then new hotness rolls in and you're like ooh Shiny helped feels good. Yeah like this is a different feeling. This is a more There's a more mature feeling. It's more what's the word I'm fulfilling. Something tells me that one doesn't fade. I it doesn't feel like it doesn't like that. That's like a fifth year run. Yes every because I bet you every time someone says to you change. You inspired me to do this or you help me out of this dark pay or whatever they feel as good as day one. Well I don't have those moments where we probably all have these moments where you look around at everything that's going on in your life and you go. What the Hell am I doing? What the like he might be doing. Impulsive for twenty years or podcast GonNa fade out in the next six months. Like what the fuck am I doing so so when I do this and I start helping people and I go. I know exactly what I'm doing exactly what I'm doing. I know how good it feels. Was there a point where you didn't know what you did you did? You have the creator confusion or burn out like all of US students all of it all like my creator. Confusions was probably a decade long. Dude I I'm hundred percent share that you still have. If you don't have it you have moments of it where you go. What boxing now. Who absolutely it's it's crazy because because you know that next year you might be doing. You might be doing one of those things really hard core or you might not be doing any of it. It's odd a Gamer. For a minute I I did. The twitch thing I spent thirty thousand dollars has been my favorite part of this French dollars. What's not it wasn't but I did have a lot of fun because you you were actually kind of good God good towards the end when I started to get good. I stream to less because I realized Shao Gamer. Streaming streaming is harder than I was terrible. We're going to be a little bit. They're going to be on all day while they're playing games. Yeah I mean everything I'm GonNa. I'M GONNA like buff us up a little bit. Everything we do is harder when people who haven't done it actually get in and do it and they go. There's a lot to this home. I thought you just get on camera and tell a few jokes and into the microphone and get a million dollars. Throw that memory card to the editor. He takes it runs the uploads it. You don't look at it again. Yeah Yeah Dude. If I had to calculate the hours that I put in every week for just the basic things that you don't even think about they would probably run somewhere around seventy or eighty hours. Always always on last night was Sunday night movie night. We're hanging out actually. We're watching sons of anarchy did you. Did you hear about four seasons? He never he never saw it. So we're watching last night but I mean every five minutes or so. He'll pause in. Go back to the to the edit and I'll take whatever it never turns off time you're like off today now. You're fucking. Wow like that is because with our line of work and a lot of other lines of work to we surprise people very very easily like if someone tries to get in our industry and they have minimal knowledge of what they're doing. It's going to be next to fucking pass on the last episode. I said this the barrier to enter for Youtube so hard is such a difficult medium to break in so we tend to surprise people with what we are able to accomplish. I guess what I'm trying to say here is a mess or less than that. I got from a guy by the name of Jeffrey Katzenberg. And that within two three years ago important named Elsa talking about said I was like one piece of advice you can give me and he said exceed expectations which is unknowingly. What a lot of creators are doing. And it's a piece of advice that applies to every every part of life exceed expectations. If someone expects you operated this level operate fucking here if you are constantly doing that in life not only. Are you going to be fulfilled? You probably end up being really successful to under promise over. Deliver it at big is one of the biggest rules. You'll ever tell people you can't do shit and blow them out of the fucking park every time you do it. I mean this is. This should go without saying I forgot to ask because I've dropped so many F. bombs like it's cool you guys are going to sleep it out. None of this show. Nah Fuck Shit. Not You can't say snot but you can say the rest of the words titties and feeding all good. It's all good because I could could come in and do a good podcast but my actual goal is to get this episode De monetize articles. We we do everything we can do. Not Saying that I'm saying talk about the words etel. It'll get caught up in that field and now like right now. You have to like manually review. Just because I said Nazi Nazi not a million times. He sat on the last episode. I don't know I don't does. The Youtube Albert. You might know does a youtube algorithm hear these words. Yes absolutely you know that. That's why you have to blink improve it to you know it. Does the automatic captions two dozen automate now? Corral. Let's say why are they say some Shit Dude? Some automatic captions are ridiculous. But they'll pick up words like Nazi and if they pick up. That were the she didn't say Yahtzee the Popular Board Game. Thank the air safe size air on the safe side but on the safe side and put into the bad word podcast you add reads or whatever and there's episode of impulsive hasn't brought to you by. Tampax that'd be that'd be yesterday was International Women's Day so it's quite possible we do. Boehner pills inch. We live about sponsor both it depends on day. Whatever these days are long. Sometimes I need a little extra help but thanks to blue has not sponsored this episode. We're going to say two invoices your breads. Pretty Pretty Edgy. My my personal brand age talk about Nazis. Man I eat. Yeah whatever whatever gets the laugh I would say the the line for what is edgy. Sort of moves every year to and I just kind of do what I feel. I don't have you had to pull back. Because of the The climate unsocial and the sensitivity knows wing in a way. I'm always conscious when I talk about anything or make a joke about anything that people are going to perceive as political thing. I don't do the joke. I'm saying it registers in my head of like. Oh yeah people probably GONNA fight in the comments about that You don't want that look. It's not my goal it it look. I can't have this contradictory goal of like. I want to help people and I want people to kick jealous. Asking the comments doesn't was that while you were a Maga- hat without the words on your ghost. Exactly you also always. You're you're always at least a little bit. I mean your big booty bitches on on video in two thousand ten you're never. Pg You know creator or you know. That's not that I know that but at least it gives you a platform to stand on when you're like he was making at one point content for kids. And so when you when he started saying or you know what? I'm saying so like you set the bar. Yeah to a point where you don't have to be super right and I don't I don't make content for kids right and all I can do is be myself and myself will say things like big booty bitches about her old. Were you when you started you to twenty thousand four hundred twenty four twenty five so you were already an adult. Yeah you knew you were. I think. A lot of that's debatable. But I was definitely an adult. I'm figuring it out like everyone else. Yeah I guess I guess the point I'm trying to make is like I definitely do a phase where I started youtube. Twenty-one Jake started at one thousand nine hundred and so we were kids we still are fucking kids but the content especially resonated that and it was a mere for who we were and it was just like child is childish immature shit so growing up online growing up online finding out who you are wall having to appease an audience. Who's telling you who they think you are is is is a phenomenon that allow young creators a lot of celebrities to him and we see it with every single young young. Hollywood actor that goes through it and you were twenty warn now. Can you imagine being growing up online? Jo-jo I believe in you. I know she's GonNa make it out of it. I know she is dude. Jobs THE GOAT. Who the fuck Taco just. You know DOJ AC- will I don't watch you? Don't want anyone sorry. I researched this podcast and I was like. Oh it's been awhile since I've watched something. Which episode you pick. Did you watch? I saw I saw myself one and you had no great. There's a reason why I said yes to come on. But you had been Shapiro who who I don't care about politics. I just love Ben as a character like he's he's so both of us so funny to watch all the Democrats facts. Don't care about your your like he's that guy. And and coincidentally enough of about two weeks ago I had this voice acting Gig and they were like can you Ben Shapiro so yeah I can try so I had to I had to. They don't want me like talking about it too much too much away. But I had to wrap a comedy rap change hero so again the producers probably won't be saying any more than that but it's eight Ben Shapiro. Rap is amazing amazing. That's incredible dude. I I was GonNa pick up some records. I had bought a record player recently and I was in. I think it was like Sherman oaks or something. I was walking down the street and Ben. Shapiro comes out of a restaurant randomly after being in our pockets. He's what's up. How you doing. He doesn't sound like Agit. Rob as Mickey Mouse. Peggy Danny and just like someone saw me Casino in Vegas the other day and they tweeted like your logan pause like the most normal normal looking dude just walking around the Ben Shapiro is not like on up doing a podcast. Not Talking about politics. And he's holding his kid outside of a restaurant just having a conversation do he's the happiest. Go lucky jovial son of a bitch I've ever seen in I. It was it was cool. It's cool to see on camera personality. And then these people off because there is a massive difference sometimes. Yeah you know the sky from the young Turks the I got yeah. I'll talk about the fillings. Yeah he's the Guy He's the guy you would recognize. Yes I know him but I. I've had lunch with him on a couple of occasions for several different reasons and as political as he is on his show. We never talked about politics. It just never came up and had conversations about anything else. And if I didn't know that that's the kind of show he does. I would never pay him as political also like a really great dude like he's a really cool guy to sit down and have lunch nuts. How much just like turn it off agree. So Do I. Actually your girlfriend. David and I were talking. I do not consider the girl I the name or no US sick. We call her Stephan He. Oh Yeah Giver. The fake news. Arbitrary Names Stephanie. Mike's Girlfriend her real name. Say Stephanie is also the number one in the World Lana Roads. Stephanie is not a lot of roads. They are just there to different people. I refuse to believe that the same person do WANNA roads doesn't even really exist anymore. Characters Kinda Gone I saw at the Strip club dude. Chew Tobacco doesn't shot up an adult seen. I've seen years and so she is completely different. Is this a bit or you actually are you actually your girlfriend's actually a porn star the Torah which he just doesn't do porn anymore. She's she's ex porn stuff but she's still number online roads who ranks porn you dig searches. Yeah okay there's a war McCain award. They were best blowjob just based on my dating or it trended number on them Porno. A couple of weeks ago never made a video. I have made a ton of it as public. Your parents must be so proud. They're happy fun. My mom my mom's meeting her probably as this episode rolls showed no sorry Monday. Did they have any objections? Tutoring absolutely not. I'm an ex heroin user fucking psychopath dirty sally. You're not happy with you're alive and you're not selling you're using drugs you are a fucking miracle great better and by the way congrats on your recovery. Man That's incredible so sober right now. I don't mean rightness moment obviously your high now. In general I started by drinking a little bit about a couple of years ago and I realized that was there was no issue with. It just wasn't for me. I don't like it that much so now I'm completely and utterly sober and by the way. Stephanie is amazing she's Amazing. I mean she just how she went through a little phase and she. She made enough money to buy multiple exotic cars and mobile houses in multiple states and dinner thing. She's a hustler but she's also just a sweet girl and you know we've all gotten an hour and she's super down Earth and great all and how long. How long have you guys been together a couple of months? Listen you know how they met L. Listen stories can be way more interesting than I might be excellent just I. I found her because I mike had his a fascination affinity whatever you WANNA call with with the doll film stars and she's the number one of the world she's young. She's gorgeous and for his birthday. I surprised him with her. That's how they got introduced for one of my dogs. A piece of content line folded me. I turn around. I thought was going to be like a trip or some car or something like that and there was a lot of road standing behind me. So wow what the fuck and we. We hung out for an hour for the blog. Then that we hung again and then we hung out again. We went to his brothers fighting Miami and kind of turned into a thing. It's awesome so you for your birthday. You got your boy a girlfriend his girlfriend now. He wants to return the favourite for his. And by the way. Have fucking pits? The hasn't hasn't come yet but we're going to say okay. Listen listen to my love story. So I've been been dating Kelly for four years. We live together. We bought a house together. And all that. So we're like definitely in that zone. So I'm I'm about to get engaged. Actually haven't talked about that. Yeah no no we. We talk about everything so so she. We planned it all together and all that but no. I haven't talked about it before with anyone with anyone on the stage Titan. Ray William Johnson girlfriend did you say Anaconda Yeah like eight years ago. Yeah anyway my story is it. Is it the redhead? I is that her. Yeah Okay Cool. Can you get all the rest of the pictures off the screen? Please Yellow Beautiful Club. I'll do this so petty. Not a big deal saying it out baby I swear to God. I never had a next before you was that haven't you so anyway so I'm GONNA have to get engaged and got. I've got this all planned out. I'm supposed to give a tedtalk in Belgium in about three weeks. Okay and we'll talk about that in a minute. Holy Shit I get invited to Ted talk and I'm like this is. This is awesome like I can't because I love being on stage. I stand up for a long time and we great and I thought okay so I will take Kelly with me and I'll give the Ted talk and then we'll spend two weeks and we'll travel around Europe and then will end in Paris and I'll take her to Paris Disneyland. 'cause she loves. Disneyland and it'll be a total cliche and under the Eiffel Tower. I'll propose and it'll be great and I. I sort of walked her through it and talk. She's like this is amazing of huge dream and it was all ruined because you told her probably because think you're supposed away and actually just do it. I don't know if you know it was because of the corona vital. You're lying close. No no no. That's a joke. The current did not ruin your yes. I'm not going to sit on a plane for twelve hours. I'm not worried about necessarily about getting it. Because our demographics survives it's I don't WanNa be warranty and a foreign country. Do it proposed. They're in quarantine. That's Awesome Eiffel Tower virus totally blog. It yes in a hazmat suit. So that'll go viral twice because you have the corona virus and also because overall online. It's not my goal to go viral with my engagement. I think film it or anything like that. I wanted it to be something awesome for her. You know and for me so that type of thing like an actual live human being who gives a shit about his part on Russia. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. What does he talk about compute? Yeah and so like all of it all of it's completely ruined. It's actually haven't cancelled. My my Ted talk yet so. I should probably get on. That comes out and they're like. Oh Yeah we learned that you canceled Thursday got forward as the Souckova nineteen ruin your engagement. Let's crazy and wait for it to pass before we try and do it all again. Good luck do the stock market. Like heads you what flying today but I think about eighteen hundred points set off a level one circuit break for trading halt because Nasdaq dropped by seven percent which automatically triggers a circuit hall. And then the second one is at third it crazy shit really does get real bad and somehow turns into some Zombie apocalypse type situation. And you never end up proposing because you got you became a Zombie. How do you feel about the fact that he was on me? I like how you how you were. And you never end up proposing because you keep became his ambi- as the proposing part would be the worst part of that curve. Would you Zombie? It'll happen? Zombie Wedding. That's a great fucking movie wedding right. I wish you could join up with any influence or would it be Logan for Zombie Apocalypse. Or No I don't know man. What kind of resources? You got their strong endless. Well you gotta you live in a gated. We need to. We need our out. This fall retreat spot. We have a full return. Okay yeah all right now then. I'm on your team question. Go ahead looking at this picture. Did looking at you now in real life man. We talked about the skin that you have and how it's it's awesome. You're great looking guy. Great looking girl. Happy couple. Smart Guy Driven. Charismatic Savvy helps others. I believe you may have a duty to have a child even though you don't want your the Dude I mean. There's a lot of idiots out there reproducing just why he doesn't want to have one no because. I had this conversation with Spencer and they have to play with the sensor. He's GonNa Walk Around Barefoot and he doesn't want to have a kid but he's him and angel are amazing like he is the person who should be reproducing replenishing our planet with more humans. The good ones the good ones rate Literally like I said. He's not reproducing because all the idiots are I don't want my I don't WanNa fucking spot of mine hanging out well mopeds. Senator will be my goal to help all those idiots not so much of an idiot behind I wouldn't be a good parent because I don't Wanna be apparent boom period. It makes so much sense. It really does. Yeah and I don't have a problem with kids. Kids are cooling their fun. That's not my thing then. I like cats. Do you have cats. I had three cats. We talked about Jeffrey Katzenberg earlier. That piqued my interest immediately. Knew I talked about quitting maker studios cable monopolies? Oh are we supposed to vision with? That is what is that. Is that one divided maker studios divided by cable. Manali have an answer. Well those are two different things to different things. Which one do you want me to make your studios dude? So Mega Studios was a company that I worked with a long time ago. That helped me produce some stuff. They helped me produce a few shows. They helped me produce a bunch of animated stuff those new animation for a long time and we had we had a falling out when they got bought. And we're transitioning from being a small production company to being owned by Time Warner and then later. They were bought out completely bought out by Disney when they were going to. Time Warner Time Warner bought like a majority of the shares. What happened was I think it was? Time Warner. I don't WanNa get that wrong. But what happened was basically obviously paraphrasing this whole thing and glossing over it but basically Time Warner tells maker. They start looking under the hood and they go. Oh you have all of these All of these social media influencers under these contracts and owning their content. Right like you might be signed with some. But I don't know if they own impulsive right. So Time Warner whose old school looked at that and they were like we. Will you gotta own the content? You want the they want the Ip ex and so make her came to me again paraphrasing and they were like hey man you gotta you gotTa sign over the IP. To at least part of it too equals three and they already own half half the going through puberty over. Sorry Right so they want to anyway. They already owned half of the animation stuff but they wanted to half of the three stuff and I was like. Well give me a so. No but like give me a contract and I'll look at it so they gave me a contract and the contract was awful like it. Was We want more or less? We want everything. We're not offering you anything this is. What twenty twelve. This was twenty two thousand twelve. They were shit maker was was. That was the biggest player I think they were the biggest most of the most of the contracts that they were serving to people people were just signing. You know yeah I said no because it was stupid and then I handed over to my lawyer and I'm like what are you back me up on this. What do you think? And he's like that's stupid. You show that contract to one hundred people on the street they would say no because they're asking for everything and not giving anything which is not a big deal. I get offered things all the time and I go. No because it's not it's not you know it's not in my best interest. But what the problem was they? Were helping me produce these things. And they their CEO who was a lot younger than he's probably in his forties now. He's in his thirties then but he was kind of a hot head and he was kind of a bro and he was then he started trying to start a strong army. He's basically like hey man if it if you don't sign this break you fucking these. We're going to well. We're going to cut off your we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA cut off like yes like once your legs God exactly. We're GONNA cut off production to everything that we're working on right so you need to sign this or we're going to shut your shows down. I'm like well. You can't shut my shows town because you don't own it all right and if you shut the other one down it's just going to hurt you and I didn't believe I was like whatever you're not going to do that. And then they did shut down production. Yeah they did. They call it. They call my bluff and I was like. Oh my God so I had to start filming out of my house like so that I wouldn't miss an episode or whatever and I was like all right because I don't I don't get into drama and I don't I especially don't fight publicly because I don't get into the thing where I'm like who I'm so mad at him and I want everyone to see us. Fight it out on the. It's not my thing live under zone on. That's not my thing so I didn't say it was a guard. Just whatever they they are dicks and move on and do your own thing. You'll be fine. You've always been a self starter. You'll you'll keep going but then the show. I don't know why he did it. I think he did it just to be a Dick. But he put out a press statement that basically said we dropped ray from our roster what the and it made me look really bad. Not Not that I quit and left which I did but basically that they sever ties with me because they were. I think trying to jump out in front of the story and so immediately my social media's blown up with like Oh why did they drop you what did you do wrong and all this stuff and I was like all right so I at least need to put my story out there so I wrote an op? Ed I'm a pretty good writer like if I hadn't gone into other forms of entertainment I probably would have written so I write an op. Ed and I give it to like the only blog that I know of and I don't even know if that block still around nor do I remember the name but I remember contact with someone so I give this blog. Hey man you publish this and anyone who searches my name can see the real the real story and I said in fact. Here's a copy of that contract that they offered me and you can put it right next to it so that people know I'm not foolish it but I don't know if anyone's going to find it. And he put it up and it went viral like within a few hours like everyone is sharing it because it made them look really bad at least everyone in my bubble sharing it it made them look really bad will then the CEO. The hot headline reads it and he he text me and he says something along the lines of a breaking both ankles. He was like you're going to die. Bitch DIE BITCH THIS WAR. Something like the show is actually come. Free likes like you're some kind of threat like text and I can't believe I can't believe this escalated to this threat and so I- screen cap pat and tweeted it out. Oh my God that is more now whole so then the then the media media like the not just the Eddie hearn Joe. Markowski announced headgear. The media media picked up on that and they were like wait a minute this company that comcast or Time Warner now owns the CEO is death right. Yeah is threatening this guy and then they all hit me up for a statement and I was like. I do not do this. This is not my thing so I'm not giving you any state everything that I've wanted to say I said it in my op. Ed and then I showed you the the threatening texts and I'm not going to be on that clus right but and and I kinda wanted the the guy to be the CEO to be shamed for it. Because it's not cool like you're you're in. You're in a position where you can't do that. Shit. Don't threaten people in Writing. Dumb ask you eighty so anyway. You gotTa send those sorts carrier pigeon. Do I've known that can lead to raise up your window and screaming your head off as long as a carrier pigeon doesn't have it in writing. It needs to be a parrot. Who can regurgitate what you said? And tell him he's going to die. Bitch cannon string is worked as well but same same. I think a few months after that. He got fired for that. I would have when you start at threatening your your your top talent or whatever I think like the board kicked him off and I think he's doing fine now like he started. Another company started a new mob. Swath of retailers saw him in a meeting a couple of years ago and we didn't talk about it but it seemed fine like it was okay and I'm like all right cool. He's he's grown up and all that so it's all good but look man it was a it was a big company. He grew it from nothing to to being. You Know Disney and sold to Disney. So it was like it was his baby. I'm sure and he didn't he didn't want it to look bad and all. I don't know why making excuses for him interesting. I didn't didn't know that that's the that's the sort of maker Studios Story and I don't I don't like I know people back in the day we're like. Yeah you haters know everyone. I met that work there. I thought was really great. I got into the fight with the head guy. Everyone else was really. Are you still tied with any of the only youtubers or any anyone now That we may have seen online. I don't think so. I don't think I was ever tight with this guy. You know Lloyd from epigraph. Of course God the best. Yeah Lloyd's my boy. He's the taller or shorter when he's sure he knew he has. He has other physical characteristics. But yes he is shorter than the other one. So you're telling me he's so you're telling me has more physical Jesuit or just being sure. Yeah he definitely I would say he's got more going on than that. He's really talented guy. He's the talented one now. What I'm saying is just a quick determine. He's the one on the left. He's fucking amazing. This one right. Yeah yeah because this one's really tall yes I should. I don't Know No. We need some seven foot. Nine is that's career. Go do comedy. She was tight with With Lloyd I'll yeah. I'm I'm grateful. I had dinner with him a while. Back very cool but I look to be. I'd say tight with Lloyd. Honestly I'm not I don't I don't say I don't have a Lotta friends but I don't. I don't hang out for the sake of hanging out that often. Yeah everyone lives in this house. That's fucking me to an extent you WANNA move in. It is very hard to hang out. I have a hard time kicking it right back with the boys. I mother working with moves or any of that Shit Dude. That's like the that's like the oil hanging out using and drugs are like the oil to hanging out people when you're sober and are trying to do is build businesses hanging always the biggest fucking detriment. You WanNa do what you want to go. See a movie. How the fuck am I going to monetize that and when we have my movie? What are we going to do during that movie? I cannot bring laptop answer emails like what Am I. It's it's sort of a weird I don't know I don't. I was always like that. I think it developed over time where you just work so much. And there's a. There's a sort of an accomplishment factor when you're working and then when you go hang out with someone your where's that accomplish all. Where did it go? This feels so weird. That's why that's doing certain things helps you. Go to hang out with someone to like. Do those painting painting classes where you like paint something together. At least you've done. Oh activities foster friendship. Yeah that works versus like you know the people that you want to hang out. That means that go. Sit on the couch and throwback forty ounce Sir fucking Shit. Are you asking me to take a painting class with you as matter of fact? Sim I'd like that guys for you hanging on your Fridge Logan hanging right next to that one that's art. I made gentleman his fridges right. They're literally kitchen and I don't know if you know this but at Night Spencer Sleeps Right here right here in this back in the day. The sleeping bag right right. No but we've had. I've had sex here. Oh that's good yeah. It was where where on the counter. Yeah Yeah right here and android there. She got rug burns though because it was on the carpet her fault. She's going to hard. I told her who's that again full name. So I can hear you know. I can't not at that particular one I have class. I'm not going to reveal all this too much. Too much. Information exploited the shit out of our lives and I really do wonder when it's GonNa stop like the fact that you said you wanted to real human marriage and not have it on camera. I commend you. That's awesome I know also like what a great piece of content. No but people do that all the time. You can do that if you want. I might do it I might not. I don't think I will. It doesn't benefit me or anyone else in any way for me to like flog the whole thing why I why I started capturing anything on video it was because I love the fact that you will. It is a moment preserved in time forever. Yeah that's right so it's this double edged sword of living in the moment but also the moments fleeting dude. I. I don't know what happened. Five seconds ago. I cannot paint the picture for. You can go here though. I'd go right there and look at it so class. This is such a big argument in our in our day and age. It's like do you want to record your grandma's last birthday happy birthday cake moment. Do Unrecorded Watch or do you want to live it with her so that she lives it with you and you live with her. Want to be standing there. Like that's right grandma. You look great on the screen. And she's like fucking sing the happy birthday. He's GonNa look at me on your phone. It's a big fucking question is the to be or not to be of our generation. Do you want to lay? Do you want to fill to film or not to fill it? And it's a big question. Hamlet for sure especially especially with your prearranged engagement that you've already run through multiple times while the specs in everything. Yeah she's like you said one twenty six we'd be on it's a small world after all. What is the holdup? Why are we still standing here? She knows the whole respiratory infection got corona vikings on damn ru guy ruined so much for me. I'm still I'm so bitter about it so I had to come on this podcast. Talk about it. Pissed me off. Are you on the Tick Tock? I'm not know that facebook so I'm thirty eight so I'm probably thirty six years old thirty. Six hundred has ticked off. Yes you're right. Thirty six thirty yeah. He's thirty five. Despises Tick Tock? I'm even I'm even twenty four. I found Myself Lips. Tick Tock yesterday and I'm like what the fuck am I? You're not the only influence to say buddy with a guy who rubs out who works with a bunch of cancers and he's like they anyone over eighteen who makes content like any influence or who feels like they have to do it. They complain about it because I got a college degree. And I'm over here lip synching to Taylor Swift. This is ridiculous if you can make if if if you can make a tick tock like truthfully really funny and if I can find that spark that made me start doing vines in like that creativity and I liked the product it like made to yesterday. That are actually amazed. Awesome and I watch them and I'm actually gonNA posted when I posted on. Twitter of the cash is going to be. I think something like why made a tick tock and I actually don't hate this one so if you if you if you can adapt it to believe it or not make you happy. You'd probably be all right of course and at some point I might but I just don't. That demo is so young so young so young though young and maybe when they grow also argument could have been two years ago for snapchat. And I didn't do the snapchat thing and then it kind of talk around it kind of went away and so talk. That could be the case for tick. Tock. Maybe not who? It'd be next big thing by Jesus much in two years it's GonNa be a completely different one. It'd be a new one. It would be like have you been on Chablis quitting qube have you been on? Do you have a show on quid? Show on Qube if you're if you're on qube creator. Are you a quiver? Nobody likes equipment. Quavering Quiver is she is reese witherspoon. Who else you see without her spoon. Ever wherever easily could have fallen so far the radar and I hope someone else besides me but I caught it. Lasts set incredible. And you hear what happened now? Go back on. My hands is still does great. Just raise witherspoon bro. Check it out. This is reese witherspoon without. It's pretty clever. I know I sorry. There's certain things I just can't do. This is a lot for tricky jokes. I love that jokes when here. My favorite one. I told it to podcasts ago. If you take the filter out of a vacuum cleaner give it a good scrub. You're coming back you. Are You too smart for Dad Jokes? You can predict the outcome because they'll never be a dad. Y'All look first of all that's not a really high bar for setting now you can just see it coming from a mile away. I mean come on as a as a person who has spent a Lotta time writing jokes. You see them coming. Let's play a game. It's called Nazi Yahtzee. There goes the monster. Callback user sweating. It does this game is called. I word with Ray William Johnson. I was GONNA clap. I'M NOT GONNA. We have a list of creators. Do we want you to say the first word that comes to your mind. And I think you'll know these ones list of creator right like Internet creators. What's first word for that guy? Oh do I have to look up here? In this first word but with his cutoff. So First Word if Ray William Johnson here. We go this lumberjack Son of a lumberjack. His mustache now. I hope there's jokes that I'm no. I like her. She's great sweetheart. Yes wants to marry into the lumberjack family. Who can't just can't get accepted from the DAD. Sorry Clean Cut. Yeah going for hairstyle. I always broke Adam Sandler. You one word broke broke. Okay one word waterboy now awesome. Thank you ray. I think that's I think. Oh there's that was it. Sorry I don't I don't recognize a lot of the people there. That's actually fascinating that David Dobric to you is just a person that will never be a lumberjack. Yeah that's all he is. He's a world's biggest creator. I mean I'm sure he's got a great person. I sure you probably hackerism. Some loves to David Chop Chop the shit out of similar again. I don't know how offended Internet influencers get when these these are good. I feel like I feel. It gets the ones who almost and could be great and like top tier that get offended. Because they're still in that phase where you maybe have to put on an ego to embody the role of what it means to be fluent earned the fake part of the fake. It till you make exactly and these ones all have made. They don't give a fuck out doing their thing. I think it's because they're in a bubble to be honest surrounded by people who know them and like them and give them and treat them a certain way and then suddenly they step out of the bubble. And it's like Oh no maybe I've seen you. I'm not really sure I don't really watch and they're like but this is bullshit. Oh you haven't seen my toy on boxing. Podcast I'm Ryan's Toy Time. It's one podcast one whole podcast dedicated to one toy and that is us seen it. No do this. I have no idea what you're talking. Do you think part of the reason why they are as big as they are is because they wouldn't get offended or don't get offended when people don't know where they are like shit so sure. How much does thick skin contribute to overall success on the Internet? I mean it's it's everything that's that's part of what my That's part of what my tedtalk was going to be about was dealing with fear of judgment And so like Lauren. Everyone naturally has a fear of judgment to some degree. It's like we're hard wired for it and I can get into the signs of it but I don't have to but we're everyone's naturally hardwired for that so when it takes a special kind of crazy to put yourself in a position where you're onstage or you're on camera and you're you're in a situation where more people are going to judge you openly. Then they would in a normal scenario and it yeah you got to be a little nuts to sort of want that right to bring it upon yourself right to bring it upon yourself and then to have to deal with it and then put that face on of like okay. I'm this is fine. Like one person said they hate me today and that's not going to ruin my day. You know how like you you have those days and then you read that one comment and like I'll footfall. He'll that guy like it just ruins. It doesn't matter if nineteen people told you you're amazing you get that one at that time and destroys your soul. I know I tell you I give you this rule of mine. It probably wouldn't work for you but it works for me but I wouldn't work for you because I think the style of content that you do more involved in the influencers senior but So ten about ten years ago I watched a video of someone sent to me and it was about me and I watched it and it was a fan and I want to say it. Was you know some girl and she was like crazy. Amazing he's the most amazing person in the world is so funny and I was like. Oh that's sweet Good for her gave it a like maybe a comment or whatever and then I watched another one and it was some guy and he was raised the biggest piece shit I if I ever saw him I punch him right on the Dick and I. It wasn't just that it was like saying things that I had done. I'm just I. I didn't do that to me. Which is another rule. You learn as an influence or if people can't find shit about you they'll just make. Yeah that's fun anyways. I watch these videos back to back and this was I still living in New York so I believe it was two thousand and ten and I said I'm never going to watch a video about myself again and I swear to God I have not nice swear to God if someone sends me a video and says they talk about you. Don't watch it my name's on the title. I don't watch it even if I think it's positive not watch it. I will watch this because I'm involved news. That's a little different but I don't watch it and it's not because you know. I can't deal with hater comments. Actually psychologically I think that either of those perspectives in either of those videos aren't healthy because no matter what this young girl says. I'm not the most amazing person in the world and it's not healthy for me to believe that nor am I the biggest piece of trash in the world and it's not only anyone to believe that either and so what happens to these influencers. I think and why they get these. These weird egos is like you're being pulled in completely polar opposite directions in a stage where you're trying to figure out who you are and likely you land somewhere on the spectrum of being awesome to like being interred. Sometimes yeah right. But they're trying to figure out who they are and some days they believe this group and some days they believe this group. I think it makes them really manic. And it's not good for him so completely. Stay away from that stuff and frankly Probably avoided a lot of drama from it to God love that. Yeah well you just said I think you're spot. Thank me for coming to your tedtalk. That was that was fucking. Dow's that's really true. I never once thought about it like that my entire life. But it's so true some days you're damn or some days you're the nail when it comes to comments and some days you're the funniest guy and some days you're not you know that definitely has a fact that going back and forth between Turt- and amazing yes as you said. Yeah and why and like look I refuse to be a part of the bullshit story that someone tells themselves without me and no one that knows me. I believe has ever made a video about me because anyone who knows me would call me and be like hey I have a problem with you or whatever so I. I don't necessarily like lost anything from missing out on any of this stuff and occasionally also comments that are like. Hey this a username like this person. Whoever fucking recognize they made a video about you. You should watch is like all the other questions like how much at the end of the day. Do you really give a shit? What audience says about the performer? Like you're the performer. You're the person that's an and we talked about this the other. It's two very different approaches. There's either the person that takes. Critique takes a lot of that feedback into swims in it and tries to digest. What's Po Po? Like what's constructive because sometimes there's little nuggets of constructive or critique in there and then there's people that I I relate more to that are just like I don't really give a fuck unless like in all honestly I'm producing the content. I want to produce if like it. Fan fucking task. If you don't like I don't care I don't give a fuck so like unless you have very specific criticism or critique for me which we had on the show recently where it was like. Yo like back a little bit. Let other whatever you have that kind of stuff great. I'll listen to it. I'll take it. Yeah but for the most part of the why. I'm here and there's an audience that's watching or that you're hearing there's an audience watching if they want to create their own content than they should do that. You know what I'm saying. It's a pasta telling you all the time like you suck you fucking suck or greater. Whatever I'd there's definitely that I'd like to consider myself a bit more receptive to notes delivered in any fashion. You're big on the delivery right. It's not what you say it's how you say give a fuck. It's what you say. I don't care how you say. If you think I'm a piece of Shit you'll let me know by the way I'll listen. I'll be like okay. What what did I do? I wonder why did for me to be better when I talk. We Gary Vein or Chuck for our documentary of the Maverick documentary said Sally Pants Nine. Four one four seven leaves a comment that she sucks like are you saw. Maybe maybe she's right like why? Why why does she think that? Let's see if I could flip her. Because by the animal life I would love to flip everyone who's ever said anything negative about me and instead of doing the fuck you. I- banishing them for. I believe I believe I could flip them. I just need a little bit and I would disagree. One hundred percent would be on that one. Just because there's a lot of people out there who just want to say you suck no thought for sure but what if what if the person that is throwing out this mindless pointless mean. Negative comments could be flipped to being a good hopeful optimistic young online because of your content. They can't they. Can't you know why they give it up guys? It's a fool's errand to spend all of your time trying to flip people's opinion. I'm not the best thing you can do is be the authentic percent the best version of you and hope that they get on board sure but I got got sixty more years to do that. Like I'm sure I'll be able to flip somebody. I've already flip people in the past like six months to yeah you. Do you do that by being like yourself that your friends like being around shot that version of you. So if they don't like that now for the best I if they don't like that you're not like man. I'm not good enough for Sir it right. It's it's that they're just not into your shirt for sure. Some people just don't like the Color Purple. They're going to stick the Middle Finger. Taste one of my favorite quotes. Only God can judge me so I'm gone either. Love me or leave me alone. That's it merely the fuck. I don't like either you fuck with me and you like what I do and you like what I produce or just go do something else got unless you have very specific critique or criticism that. Tell me how to do better. If you WANNA delivery warm hearth everything I write when I tell give Logan a note it is thought out to a t and I try to do the best possible job. I can telling him how to do a better job right. How you say things. You suck does helps. No one right helps. Absolutely no one. Why do it doesn't tell why the person socks it doesn't tell what you're feeling does? Nothing what do I do with that? You're a SIMP- URA loser. What is this shit by the way it's the one thing that's GonNa? I don't know what it's like somebody that like. Try so hard to be with a girl but never hooks up with the girl. Simple simple person lacking comments. I was a sim for thirty eight years. A man that puts himself into subservient submissive position under women in hopes of winning them over with other female bringing anything to the table. I'm sorry what are you reading urban dictionary definition of show? I like what you said about. The video is the one praising you in the one. That's showing disdain for us. They're going to go and they're going to go in either. How many times have you put out? A video in. Every comment is like yeah look at polling. He's all right. Never got no. It's going to be. He sucks or he's amazing right or this other person's video socks or they're gonNA say something you know sexually suggestive about the women in the video awful right but not like none of that. I'm not saying none of it can't be helpful. And now he's Guy. He pays bills on time. It's well that's the worst thing. That's the worst comment anyone could ever give you give say. Oh that's the worst thing you could ever get. Because because here's the thing people watching your videos and hating you and commenting it and people watching videos and loving you and commenting on. It is all engagement. That's driving at adv revenue and revenue for you and views somebody. That doesn't care enough. I'm not going to watch. I don't care that's your biggest problem. I agree with you Utilize sorry. How do I say from from a distance perspective? Because you know that old saying all publicity is good publicity. I actually don't think that's true. I agree with you. Okay so fucking false. I think bad publicity is actually better publicity because negatively travels faster and farther up. So if you're getting a Shitload of negative comments now you're in in terms of the business you're doing. You're actually doing it right. Which I I hate to say. Hey I don't like to do that. Shit but like yeah you get people mad at you you wanNA play the villain. That's a role that some people have stepped into sure they made a career out of it. Sure sometimes though you you could shoot yourself in the foot like a hot like nearly one hundred percent of the time you could shoot yourself in the foot. I'm saying this stuff you just. You just can't come back from. I am thinking about that growth through cat on the livestream right or the girl who be hurt dog up. Wait a minute. What island assault. Lindy's the cat one and she just got beat up by our cat now the other day. So it's even one one so she threw her cat and she's a twit streamer. She was singing the other day and the cat really got her avenue. Pulled the skin off of her with a with a t and you zoom in. You could see who fucking long cat do that. What did did anyone ask it Leonard? These cat finally gets revenge. I mean it really fucking hot swimming when she mean to the cat or who. Is this just a cat in a weird cat? She threw her cat. WanNa tat doesn't like when she sings and I think she was singing again. The cat doesn't like what is this. Oh Shit this cat scratched his shit no bit. Oh right now. It's like fuck you bitch. You are Bro. The catch strikes strikes back. I God wow. This went really big because the story about her throwing the cat. Viral Story and the TWITS COMMUNITY. And every time something happens on twitch she got no repercussion for throwing her cat so every time like a nipple slips out and they get banned they say but you can abuse animals and so everybody was waiting for the cat to strike back and it fucking okay got it could go a strong song fucking. Yeah wow I watched the the drake rap radar interview. I took notes on it. I think he's I think he's go but he's incredibly. Why a person doesn't think he's at go. Well I mean you. You like him singer like him as as the wisdom that he has. I don't I don't believe drake as a farm animal. Both both. That's why that's why I think he's the go okay. I love him as a person really loves music. You have an opinion I could tell do you know I was. I was listening. I was listening so as watching this. And what are the notes? I took was He said he he tries never never to get caught up too much highs or the or the lows. Which is kind of what you were saying. And your sentiment towards the reacting towards both videos the really good ones you how great you are in the really bad ones. It's I mean it's all noise dude. It's cool it needs to be on the way so it'll pull you in each direction. It goes today right here right here and right here. If you stay in your circle and Shit you love to do and don't be too influenced by the people watching the people doing this because they can type on a keyboard you'll be the one the one thing. I took out of this conversation today by the way to is both a you guys have done such a good job of breaking out like you used to stand up and then Ted and now you're starting company helping people you with boxing and I think that that's kind of overlooked. When it comes to Internet creators and like youtubers of how important is to step out of that out of that realm and intellect something new whether it be like yes like traditional media. Whatever you know so yeah because look despite what anyone tells you a little bit of wisdom which you already know. I'm sure despite what anyone tells you the way. Ninety nine percent of people experienced success is not in this really straight longline that lasts their entire life even even if from the outside even if it looks like that even if you look at Tom Cruise you like well. He's been successful for for years. And you know no no no. That's only because you are not zoomed. In far enough success comes in pockets right right and so you gotta you gotta catch each pocket as it comes because everything changes over time. I referenced it earlier where Pot podcast might be out of favor in two years and you gotta be. Then you've got to do the next thing you. What you don't want to do is be like well. I'm going down with this ship. You think that's what's going to happen. You're going to go with the ship. You're going to go down with it. I love that as ice. Yeah it's it's a series of crests and troughs highs and lows and you just all you have to do very simple have more wins than you do losses. Yes and and stay on the up if any any normal person's progression to success. Looks like this and I am the cameras. Now see there's ups and downs little ones and then some sometimes sometimes my case knowing everyone well yeah but for up always always and you jumped from pocket pocket. And that's that's the thing man when people talk about success like a thing I look at it as more of a personality trait one that you can develop over time if you want so you say someone is successful and I said well. They're a successful person. Meaning that no matter. What COMES THEIR WAY? They're gonNA make that's awesome most successful stories. I know our of successful people like like like they. They did this for a while. They were very successful in that arena. Right went so not most I guess but a lot of the stories of successful people are successful people that you said you have a lot of really strong inside and you know that you're going to bring this is a really good show. I was GONNA say man. This is fucking phenomenal. You are incredibly wise and articulate. Thanks yeah of course. Duda not that my validation means any but I a second secondarily does it. Means a lot So my advice to you as well to to really anyone about being successful because I get asked about that a lot and I'm sure you to develop that personality trait. Don't wait for luck to come along. Luck happens we can point to a million people who got lucky but luck. Luck happens but it doesn't stick around look Lavigne's once maybe twice in your life right the people who stay successful longtime that's not look that is that is something that they are doing in their approach to every single thing. They do that they make it work. Thanks right the reason why you went from being successful on vine to having sex podcast to getting all the. I don't know how successful you are in boxing. I'm sure kicking some asks. That's not even true. He's a good. He's a very good boxer. Just hasn't turned the engine on completely yet one. Another not ready yet. I'm not ready. I'M GONNA hit next time. The one the one other thing. You pointed out a little bit when you were saying about successful people to is they diversify like he's like think about it. Somebody who tries a lot of things is probably higher than somebody that says. I really like this and I'm going to do just that. Most of the really Uber Successful people you know have tried a million things before the first thing hits you know what I'm saying and maybe some of the other ones hit pretty well. But then that one booms you know try things going out there and do your your your video game thing had taken off. We'd all be playing battlegrounds. Are doing that instead of this. Because that's that's the way it happens man by the way I just. I don't know I don't know anything about her. I feel bad because I know what it's like to be pinned as that one person. One thing I don't subscribe that whatever she she gets even but yes. She's cool with attacked by okay. I didn't I didn't give I didn't I didn't see Katherine Video. Solidity JOKES JOKES TO SQUASH. The beams. Yeah all right thank you thank you. I I want to see this Ted talk so if you can risk getting the corona virus for it. I'll give it at some point. Maybe not maybe not this round because okay that makes sense. We're GONNA find on media. They WanNa do that you can. You can search me. Ray William Johnson. That's my handle everywhere like facebook. Youtube instagram. I run like twelve facebook accounts. You gotta make money doing face like they're different branded sharp. It's crazy anyway but yeah cool very cool. Thank you for coming on brother. Grammy for everyone listening. Thanks for being a part of our now. Plus two million subscriber Ganger. We love you. We'll see you next time. Take it easy peace.

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424 Remembering Brody Stevens

Mental Illness Happy Hour

2:02:10 hr | 1 year ago

424 Remembering Brody Stevens

"Welcome to episode for twenty four remembering former guest and the late comedian Brody Stevens. The this episode is a couple couple of thoughts of mine an Email from a listener upfront on related to this. And then replaying of episode one hundred from February of two thousand thirteen which was my interview with Brody Stevens. And I'm playing it in its entirety from the opening of the show all the way through the end of the show. So all of that is to say if you've already heard that until your show, there's not a whole lot of new stuff in this one. But I, you know, I went back and forth on whether or not to air this one to kind of honor Brody, and then there was a part of me that was like well as at exploitive of you do. To do that. But you know, it's it's I don't think so it's something that I wanted to do I want to do and listening back to my interview with him. Of course, brought up a lot of feelings of sadness that he's not here anymore because he truly made me laugh. He was an original voice in comedy. And just been thinking about him. It's been a week since he took his life. And I just been thinking about him a lot this this week. And you know, I think is a lot of us do when somebody takes their life. You know, we we want to think about what what contributed that. What were the factors was it? His new medication was at him tired of dealing with bipolar one and dealing with medication. Was it was he worried about his career, you know, as you'll hear in this interview. View. He he talks a lot about his career. And I sometimes wonder did he have a balanced life outside of his career. Did he take it too? Seriously. You know, when we'll never have the answers to those things. But what I do know is I've I fought in miss him. And we were not close friends by any means, but we would perform together sometimes on the same show and we played softball together. A couple of times, and he just truly made me laugh, and I'm glad I got to tell him how much he he made me laugh. I was watching some footage of him on YouTube and her maybe I was reading the quote of him. But jokey had was when he would be struggling in front of an audience, which would happen quite frequently. But he had this this ability to will them into getting on board with him just a fearlessness, and he would say sometimes when an audience wasn't on board. You know, in in the inimitable way that he would do it. You know, he would say, you know, why need your energy? You gotta give me something back. I'm up here on given out energy. I'm doing a positive Bush. Here's how it works is scratch. Your back. You shave mine. Oh, yeah. In next week's episode is also going to be remembering somebody, and it's an episode that I have never erred, and it was interview I recorded almost a year to the day since she her life was taken she worked with her name. Was Jen Golic, and she was therapist and it made national news about a year ago. She worked with combat veterans with PTSD up in your Ville, California, and they had to reprimand or release a vet who is not respecting the boundaries of the facility and he returned with. A bunch of guns and took three therapists hostage. Jan was one of them. And he eventually. Killed them and then took his own life. And I'm sorry. This is such a Downer. But you know, this is the reality of. Mental health today and. I wanted. I don't want to shy away from that stuff in this podcast. And there's a part of me that fears that oh it's going to bump people out too much. They're gonna stop listening. Your podcast is going to tank, and you won't have any way to survive. Welcome to my brain. But. I entered. There's just a part of me that feels like it's if I'm gonna do this podcast for living. I. I can't shy away from stuff if it if it bums people out. So that those are my there's a my thoughts on that. It's just been a weird week. I've i've. You know? And I've thought about the interview with gen a lot because I edited that last last week and I wanted to get the. Permission of the hit her family to air it, and they listen to it. And they gave their permission. And they said that they would like something for her to be remembered by and I'm glad that. I can share that with you because she was a fucking hero. Anyway, I'm getting ahead of myself because that's next week's episode. Let's get back to the sadness. This week's episode. For ODI Brody Brody Brody. This is an Email. Then I and so so what we're gonna do is. I'll explain later. This is an Email. I got from a one who wants to be referred to as cathartic dancing isn't whole dancing 'cause Arctic actually half of dancing is cathartic in the other half is embarrassing. And actually, I think there's an overlap. I think all cathartic dancing is probably embarrassing on some level. Not to the person dancing 'cause they're busy letting go all their feelings. It's embarrassing to the person with them. Who is like what is possessing this person right now? Is anybody judging me she writes, my dad is a textbook narcissist. He's at a point in life where he knows something needs to change. But still wants to blame anyone in anything but himself, but I think if there were something he could read on his own when no one is watching the comes off softly that it could help Iran across your episode on childhood emotional neglect with Dr web when I was looking for more guidance on that front. I was pleasantly surprised to hear you speak about your narcissism and healing. I'm twenty five. And I recently tried to have a discussion about emotions and past and current relations with my dad for the first time fueled by a successful discussion with my mom about the same. I've been speaking to a great therapist in worded everything so carefully. Getting it the emotional root of the issue speaking on my point of view as just that. And not an overarching reality disclaiming that the conversation was fueled by disclaiming that the conversation was fuelled by. Fire to be closer, not to blame or Kurt. And the result was so awful. I would like for our relationship to resolve and become closer. But I can't handle more conversations like that one. It affected me in a lasting way. And our relationship is much worse for it any resources, you can recommend would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much for doing what you do. And I wrote back. Thank you for your great question, not being trained professional. I don't have an answer. But from what I've learned talking to train professionals about this subject in my own experience, the chances of true narcissists as opposed to somebody with a narcissistic streak in them are very slim that they would seek help certainly without some type of impending consequence for not doing. So. And I personally think anyone who admits to being a narcissist probably has a sense or can, cultivate, a sense of other people's needs and points of view where someone with a nurse assistant personality disorder is incapable of doing. So and I don't know if you're father has that where he lies on the nano would spectrum beer, right word. But I wrote I would recommend getting help for yourself is living with someone like your father is probably had profound effects on you in. You don't need his cooperation to start healing. Growing. In fact, my hunch is the road to healing and independence is truly lighting. Go of caring, whether he gets help or not and his far as meat dealing with my narcissistic tendencies support groups have helped greatly because there's often in sport group's feedback from people journaling writing looking at your part in things and those were eye opening to me because I couldn't see how selfish I was how scared I was how resentful I was and I've had to. I've had to learn to deal with those things, and I certainly don't always do it well or perfectly, but I'd like to think that I am self aware. And I do feel that I've made progress so whether or not your father will do that. I I have to tell you from what you described in your Email. It does not sound promising because you did everything you could you worded carefully your therapist helped. You do it. You didn't attack him you expressed it in terms of your feelings? Those are all the things that you're supposed to do to open the door for that person to meet you halfway and your father is not interested in meeting you halfway it sounds like. So personally, I would just say what I said with my to my mom, I had to cut contact with her because you know, we would feel like we were coming closer together. And then there were just be something that would just I would feel so. Scene and disrespected and uncomfortable and sad and be depressed for weeks that I finally had to say, I love you. I wish I could have a relationship with you. But I can't because it's just not healthy for me. And I think that would be the way to do it. And don't look for your father's approval. That's your decision. You know, when you grow up with somebody who is narcissistic and manipulative as a caregiver it can really fuck with your head, and it can make you believe that the solution to happiness is accommodating them somehow or getting them to change. And that is it's crazy making it can really affect our our mental health. And it's self care is the answer. Whether if that person wants to join you on the ride, two recovery, and growth awesome. And if they don't you're. Still going to be awesome and growing. And I hope that helps. Support for today's podcast is from Madison Reed. For decades. 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Make sure you include the slash mental. So you they know you came from this podcast fill out a questionnaire. They'll match you up with a better help dot com counselor, and you can experience a free week of counseling. Dec- online counseling is right for you. And you need to be over eighteen. And without further ado here is essentially episode one hundred with Brody Stevens from February of twenty thirteen in its entirety. Welcome to episode one hundred mother fucker one hundred that is so that is so cool that hundred episodes in this the show is still going strong. I've who thought it who would have thought it. So. I'm so happy to have you guys as as listeners. I can't even tell you and our guest today is Brody Stevens. And he's going to talk about mania and a manic episode that he has probably more in depth than we've ever talked about mania on the show before. And I know we've gotten some emails before from from people that wanted some more discussion of mania, so hopefully, you will you'll get something out of today's episode, but I digress. My name is Paul Gilmartin. This is the mental illness. Happy hour ninety minutes of honesty of on all the battles. In our heads for medically diagnosed conditions and past traumas to everyday compulsive negative thinking the show's not meant to be a substitute for professional metal counseling. It's not a doctor's office. It's more like a waiting room filled. Old with conversations you've always wanted to have maybe didn't know how to start the website for this show is mental pod dot com. Please go there. There's all kinds of surveys, you can fill out to let me know who you guys are better. And I frequently read those on the on the show, and there's a form you can join to. And actually, I'm going to be reading later in the show a little excerpt from the forum, given some love to the the great people in the form. I want to match him. I'm constantly trying to find the perfect. Way to describe what depression is like two people that haven't experienced it. And. One that that I I think might help people understand is he know that feeling when there's a pool and the water isn't really warm, and it it's not freezing cold. But it's it's a little kind of cool and people are jumping into it. And you're like, oh my God that's cold. But it's good. Once you get used to it. And you're standing on the edge in your bathing suit. And that that kind of trepidation you have about jumping into the pool depression is like that. But with every single activity that you have on your plate. So suck on that. I want to read. Something from the struggle in a sentence survey, and this was filled out by women calls herself. Serena she Strange's in her twenties. And if you haven't filled out the struggle in the sentence survey yet, please do because it really it helps me understand. How you experience the the things that you struggle with. And I think will help other people also understand that describing her depression. She says my depression feels like if an angel put a magic wand near me and said if I waved it all my problems would be solved I wouldn't have enough energy to try to get the magic wand about rings -iety. She says I can go from making dinner and singing along to the radio to thoughts of I wanted die. Why am I here in a matter of seconds sometimes without a trigger about PTSD? She says my PTSD makes it difficult for me to hear my heart. I've been telling me how much he loves me. And not laugh, I'm assuming and for her to not laugh. Pretty fucking mean if he was stifling a laugh as he told her he loved her. She says love has been taken away so often in my childhood that protect myself, through instance, insincerity. Anger issues. She says often dream about my mother dying, and I wake up happy every time. She also filled out a. Serena also filled out the happy moments survey, and I just kind of like this one. So I wanted to read it as well. She says one of my favorite crystal clear moments was being on the top of the soup Spitzer of the Germans they can make everything sound like a like a turds. I was on top of the silk Spitzer, a mountain in Germany. I was skiing and happened to be one of the first in the early morning. The snow was untouched and I could see down all the sides of the mountain. I felt like I could touch the sky and that the sun was embracing me the air was cold and felt cleansing when I breathed in. I started to ski down and made the first tracks of the day. The snow was soft and fast. And all I could hear was my breathing and the edge of my skis in the snow. I was so present in that moment that I remember whispering to myself record this moment in your mind. Remember, the smell remember the smell of the air the taste the site. The feel. I knew it was special that happened over ten years ago. And I can recall it with perfect clarity. That's beautiful. And before we get to the the interview with Brody, I want to Lessing I wanna read is an Email from a listener named K J, and she's a lesbian whose family has not accepted kind of refuses to recognize her sexuality or accept that. And she had written me an Email, and I'm just gonna kind of pick up about halfway into it. She says. It took me a while to get to the point of realizing I can't control their actions. I can only control how we respond for years. I tried to be extra good in all other areas of my life to compensate for their disappointment in my sexuality. It never worked. Add to it. The sting of a seven year relationship never recognized never recognized during which my stepbrother married three times every wedding attended by my folks. But there I go feeling bitter again. Well, who was who wouldn't feel a little better about that that she continues. I just want to thank you for the suggestion to reach out to a support group turns out, there's a huge organization here in San Francisco called the National Alliance on mental illness. I never thought I'd be the support group type. But my girl is so important to me. I want to make sure she is safe happy and healthy. They hold courses for loved ones to help recognize warning signs. Learn about medication etc. A great resource. My partner is very self aware and super open about where she is madly. But the part I worry about most is that I won't recognize when slash if she's going downhill and out be alone with her at the bottom fingers crossed signed K J and the website for and I can't believe we've never mentioned this this website before this group, but the National Alliance on mental illness, nanny and AM I dot org is the website. So go to it. And I'm sure you can find a support group in your area. They also have educational materials probably can answer any any question that you'd have. And the thing that I wrote back to k j two was I wrote back. That's awesome. That you found a support group yet in. Here's the cool part about support groups if you become a dedicated member of one and give and receive love there on a regular basis should the quote shit hit the fan in your personal personal life. You will never have to deal with it alone. That's been my experience in my nine years of support groups. They've held me when I cried soothe. Me when I panicked. And guided me when I was lost. That is all there for you. And even better part is when you get to hold others when they cry sue them when they panic and guide them when they feel lost every human being has weird going to their head. So I'm a fatal never going to do the job again. And we'll look not been special brain against of seeing the terrible million Turner kit being turned against my chest. That was constant. And I started sabotaging my own career wanting to die and to stop him feeling any joy that is very uncomfortable in the owned by. Becoming a male prostitute. And what became an animal shoelaces. I became chaos. You have no idea what a small part of your life. Let's go to the critic family. And body was at nine ninety nine hundred judgment that about the big couldn't touch the best parts of the world is a little bit winning. It's also glorious. It does always. Duck. I'm here with Brody Stevens. So I'm very excited to to finally have as a guest we've been talking about this for the longest time. And for some reason, we just never got around to putting it putting it picking a date and doing it. But for those of you that don't know Brody he is a funny man in original voice in comedy. You may know him from the hangover movies. You were in hangover two or one both one end to. I haven't seen either. Yeah. Yeah. You can talk all I can tell you point intro. I do long intros on my podcast. I go long purposely. I run the light on my own podcast. With my intros, especially can you run the light on it intro. You can you can you can give yourself a light on anything. Yeah. A lot of times when I'm taking a piss. I'll give myself the light go. I've got a wrap this up got a wrap it up. Nightline? Got a night light. See I'm doing award association. You are originally from Seattle no originally from San Fernando Valley where we are. Right. This very moment in your apartment in my apartment in the valley. I was born in the valley panorama city Kaiser hospital and for the first three years I lived in seamy valley, which is not the San Fernando Valley and then three years after that Sacramento. Still in California still on the valley. Still an I guess the San Joaquin valley is in Sacramento, and then I came back to Tarzana in the valley. And that's why spent my my grammar school years my high school years, and then I went to college in Arizona, and then I came back to LA. And that's when I began doing comedy, not officially my ficials. Start was Seattle. Thank you. Yes. Okay. My comedy start to make a long story short. Mike comedy store was in Seattle. My. Life. Start was here in southern California and all the valleys fear of heights. Because I'm in the valley, although always picking valley, you know, I actually I do have some fear of heights. You know, not I mean jumping off something like if I was in a. Like, we were swimming in a whole swim whole, and there was a boulder to jump off in everyone's jumping off easy. I would like have second thoughts, and I'm not good at that. Just going for it. I'm good at going for it in some other things, but not jumping off a rock into the water. Yeah. You have an athletic background. You were a pitcher at it was at I went to Arizona state, which is a division one baseball powerhouse. So you must have been a hell of a pitcher in high school. Well, I had a good arm. I was competitive I would say and I went to receive a high school. I was a competitive pitcher our program in high school wasn't all that strong. There were better baseball program set may have been able to utilize my talents more. So but. I had a decent career in high school. I like to say I was like a saw you put me out there. I did a good job and airs on a state did recruit me because the coaches their thought I had a good arm, and I would fill out and get stronger. And I did they were right. I went there. And you know, I I wasn't a star on the team. But I was on the team and I pitched some games. But for the most part, I was not that much of a on the field contributor. But I did have a good arm and pitched through the ball, very hard. But to get what was your fastball back then I got clocked at high eighties Ninety-one Ninety-two through hard. I struck out a lot of guys. But the way I threw the ball. I think I put extra strain on my elbow, and I ended up having elbow surgery and from that point on it was downhill, but the first couple of years or really made improvements they changed my mechanics and how through the ball. But eventually, I just ended up putting strain on my elbow. But I had moral victories, their, you know, as which they say there aren't moral victories in sports, but for me. It was just what I went through there. My my, you know, my journey there. You know, I I don't walk away bitter at all because I heard my arm or do you think having had that arc of getting better? And seeing that if you put the work in you, you will improve Jew were you able to bring that to your mindset when you started doing comedy that. Okay. I just kind of need to be patient with this. I'm going to improve. Exactly. Yeah. That's what I knew that. I wanted to handle comedy like I did baseball. You know, like I said I walked away from baseball. Not bitter. I felt I gave them my best effort. My by. I got the most out of it. I coached there. I got my degree. I lot of things happened into five years red shirt a one year takes five years to graduate. But a lot happened there. And I saw I saw yes, how hard work would pay off. And when I went up to Seattle, essentially start comedy. I said I'm going to take it in approach like baseball knowing. That it's repetition putting the time and and failing and learning and taking criticism and having people hopefully, be honest with you and say, you know, and some people are some people aren't show business. There are similar. They are had. There are some similarities similarities between sports and show business. But a lot of ways that they are completely different. I think when when kids grow up and there and they play sports in a way that isn't sick. You know, that you know, where you don't have a dad like pushing you a mom pushing you I think it can be a really great experience. It can not only build self esteem, but can show you are of the ark of things that will happen later in your life. And there's just a great outlet for angst. And you know, other things what what do you remember about being? Well, let's let's go. Let's go back to the beginning beginning. You were born here in the valley any brothers and sisters sister older five years. What was your relationship with your folks? Like, it was pretty good guide along with my mom. She would yell at me a lot. I could remember her with their high pitched voice at times, you know, like, what would she say? Stephen Stephanie, Stephen yelling at you know, just Jewish mother type stuff, I guess that. That is a Stephen is your first name Brodie's or middle name Brown as my last name. Oh, and that's another thing. My real name is Steven James Brodie. Okay. Everybody calls Brody everybody thought that was my first name, in fact, when I would introduce mysel- your names Brody. So I put that in the back of my head like people like saying the name Brody, and when I went to school and I played baseball. I was Steve Brodie Steven Brody mostly Steve Brodie. That's what I was. I was the baseball player. But when I went on into comedy, I just felt Steve Brodie wasn't a comedian, Steve bro in my life. I know it sounds weird. Steve Brodie was the athlete was the. Baseball player. And I just felt I wanted to keep the Brody named people like say in it. And it always thought they thought it was my first name. So why don't you just making my first name? That's that's clever. So I just switched my name around. And at the time. I mean, the name Brody Stevens is a cool name was like at the time. There's only maybe two other Brody Stevens is out there when I did it. But looking back on it, it kind of makes me cringe as I get older because it's not who I am. I'm not Brody Stevens. I am on stage. You know, that was a time in my life and people like same Brody Stevens. And I know it is part of me. But the real me is Steven Brody. That's who I really am as I get older and more mature and more confident in myself. I feel so I can be more honest and say that so so I say that for seriousness Steven Brody, but for show business. I just kind of combine the two. So that's why go by Steven Brody Stevens. Yes. So it's combination. It's so silly, right? But it makes me feel better actually because I mean, I'll say Brody Stevens and all all all respond. But I never liked like when you order coffee or you go you're ordering food and you put your name down. I never put Brody Brody didn't know the name or just always put Steve. And then just through the years last few years, especially just felt like I need to be. I don't like bumming people out when they hear. Oh brody. It's your real name. Oh, you know, you know, the. I think that it's kind of cool and that. It can help you delineate who you are on stage from who you are off stage because I think there's an inherent danger. When we our own product that we can begin to take ourselves too seriously that we can take criticism of our comedic persona as criticisms of us as human beings and having that delineation, I would think in some ways would be kind of freeing it you're saying having a stage name different from your real name. Right. And I don't mind that I liked that guess it is free Inc. The thing that bothers me is that. I feel it's kind of a hacky thing. It's kind it's been done before number one. I mean, when I know knock I'm good friends with Oranje, but ornie Adams, his real name is Anna instinct, and then I feel like couple other comedians did that or a couple like Stephen Fisher his name is Fisher Stevens. I mean Fisher Stevens his real name is Steven Fisher. I just it just made me cringe. I just never I I said as I get older, and I feel as though I have more. I've more of a foundation to say, hey, I want to go back to this. It does make me feel better. And that might be part of my part of some of my issues that I have with things like, maybe nobody cares. But I care, and I feel so by doing Steven Brody Stevens, it's not completely different. But it's different enough to where I feel good the audience feel so K about it. And then maybe there's a new audience who's into Stephen Brody Stevens. I gotcha. I gotcha. Like John coup. Mellencamp? Yeah. Something like that. But I am three on stage. It is. I mean, I I mean, I'm not completely. You know what I'm on stage. More of kind of. You know, a little more animated a little more, you know, at another level, but not it's pretty much me for those of you that have never heard brody's comedy. It's kinda hard to describe. But it's it's a. There's there's a personality you are a personality up there that I think is so hard for comedians to achieve because you've achieved that thing where it almost doesn't matter. What you're saying? You're just you're just funny. And that to me is that's like why people get hired to be in movies because it's they're not just funny writers, they're they're funny in the way, they deliver things and how they carry themselves, and it's not phony with you. It's it's it feels very organic. And it's it's kind of like this. I always get the vibe that it's kind of like a mock pomposity is that a fair. Yeah. There's some of that in there. And the reason why I do that. Because I feel as though this is such a credit driven society. Oh, you're in this movie. Oh, let me pay more attention to you, or oh, you hang out with that guy. Now, I'll laugh at you. So I beat them to the punch. You're not you're not you're not. You're not getting me. Well, that galifianakis gets me. They put me in the hangover. But you're not I'm gonna listen to the hangover people. I'm in that world. So it's like there's that boasting. But it's you know, it's a character. I'm not like that in real life. Of course. I don't walk into a coffee shop or store go. I'm in the hangover. You do this do that that did happen to me? I did go through an episode of that. And we maybe maybe we'll touch on maybe won't, and we're definitely going to. Oh, wow. We're going to me. Martin work loading it down. And I'm ready for it in a positive way. It's all about positively pushing it forward. Yeah. I've combined. I mean, I guess you're right about the pump Cassidy, and I think a lot of it has to do with, you know, just people I grew up with baseball players comedians early on, you know, I'm influenced. I'm not I am an original voice. But I am also influenced by certain people. Of course, I think we have our early influences in different periods in our life and different things, and you listen to the audiences, and you you get a feel for what works, and what doesn't work and you try to get to do it for yourself. What I what I like about what you do too. Is. You will be like the really pompous one minute. And then reveal some incredibly humbling thing about yourself, the next minute and kind of make fun of it. And so it's. I just I just enjoy that. Oh, thank you. Well, yeah. You don't wanna go to foreign beat them over the head with you know, that I stuff I'm this. And then you gotta you do have to kind of turn it towards you and make funnier self, and that's just part of being a comedian and learning and feeling and playing off the audience and just knowing when it's right to be in that self deprecating mode. Also these days, I do it with the smile, and I think because I'm just more mellower. So the audience before they go is this guy really mad or is he really ever set. Whereas now, it's like, okay, we kind of get it. He's not that way. And I feel better that way, and it just keeps it brings the audience in a little more. So let's let's talk about the I want to talk about the episode that you had whatever you want to come meltdown. Wh where would you do you crisis? I would call it an episode. Okay. What mental illness to you suffer from? Well. They've labeled me. Yeah. With bipolar. How dare they? Bipolar one or two one. Okay. I think I'm called bi-polar one. Because this is what my psychiatrist psychologist anti Kaya, Trichet and other doctors who said. Because I had a manic episode, which I did I'm not denying that. I am bipolar because I had the manic episode, my argument, my contention with that is that a is that the right word contentious thinks my issue with that is that I felt my episode was triggered, you know, people have episodes that you know, they there are triggers was triggered from me. Stopping medication coal Turkey taken an antibiotic traveling and base in basically the confused because I got sick, and it may have been a withdrawal, and I stopped taking my meds, and they gave me an antibiotic, and I felt great and then I like spiraled upward. And so anyway, I had a manic episode, but I feel my manic episode was initiated with me stopping my meds cold Turkey. My I was on Alexa, pro twenty milligrams thera-. -peutic basic level. A lot of people. Do it not you know, doesn't make. It's not wrong. There's nothing wrong with it. But I'm saying a lot of people did that and it seemed to take the edge off. But when I stopped it cold Turkey at just spiraled me up. You know, typical if you'd saw what a manic episode was the definition I hit them all and we'll talk about that. But I also wanna talk about something that if feels like has been left with you, which is the fear that people are going to think you're a fucking ticking bomb. You know what? I mean. I imagine that's what that's not what I perceive of of you. But you qualifying what led to that episode makes me think that you that there's a fear there that that you're going to be stigmatized because because that happened to you and that that's going to be oh, that's who Brody is instead of what? Happened. Which is this was a confluence of the perfect storm. Exactly perfect storm. That's what was that's what one of the psychiatry psychiatrists. When the doctor said this is a perfect storm. What happened to me? So I just wanna interrupt for one second. And that's one of the things that when people have difficulty having compassion for themselves who suffer from mental illness or loved ones who don't understand what the person is going through. They don't just suffer from the mental illness. They suffer from all the social ramifications of also living with mental illness. You know, the societal implications of oh that person's now kind of afraid to be around me or people are treating me with kid gloves or people are just telling me to suck it up and be grateful about what I have. You know what I mean? It's all of that is on top of also living with mental illness. And I just wanted to. I just wanted to to to point that out because some people feel. Like, oh, you know, I'm making too big of a deal about living with mental illness. No, it's a fucking pain in the ass. Sometimes. Yeah. Complicated. It certainly can be. You know, I don't mind the stigma. I don't feel I have a stigma. I mean, I felt it actually probably helped my career. In fact, I used it that episode that I had I used in this HBO digital series that I did. And that was one of the, you know, one of the arcs of the show was me getting out of the hospital and getting my life back together and getting back on TV scripted. No, I mean, it was scripted react. We call it sketch -ality scratch scripted reality based in reality. But just kind of a recreation with a lot of them. Yeah. Yeah. Comedic tones. But real stuff, my mom, my sister, and me, your actual mom and sister, you're they're in it. So it was like a it was actually technically a documentary, but it was on HBO. And it was I think it's still up there on their digital HBO, go, six fifteen minute episodes. But I didn't you know, because when I was in the hospital I felt like I was there. Because I made a mistake. It wasn't like something just snapped to me. It was that perfect storm not taking the meds. And then I felt like I was in there. And you know, my friends would come visit me, I, you know, they would they were cool, and I just felt like. It was like kind of a cool. Thank almost like this is a badge of honor. Like how many comedians? I'm sure there's a lot and a lot of them. Don't talk about it. But I was open talking about it. I think what made it easier for me is that when I was having the episode. I was on Twitter. So people were already aware a lot of people were at least that something was happening to me. So I kind of already gave them a heads up that something was happening. And then once I got in the hospital. I felt like, you know, already did this stuff on Twitter might as well just take it to the next level. Because. I felt I was in there because I stopped my meds cold Turkey now later on. I learned that. You know, maybe it would have happened. Anyway, you know, I've been now I go through therapy. Now, I have a therapist. Now, I have a die. You know, it's much more of a support system. Everything is in place. But it's taken a lot of time to adjust you only talk about mental illness being hard. I went from euphoria with. I was doing fine. I was I was fine for the most part then I had that episode. And then after it was just like a downhill, I became depressed. That was the real hard problem for me is becoming depressed. Nobody told me. Okay. Brody in which you have this manic euphoric episode you go to the hospital. They put you on different meds. You do some therapy. You'll be fine. Nobody warned me about depression, really come into get ya. And then dang Zaid eighty and then me personally living in a different situation. All the while. I was doing. Good things. My comedy was getting better. But there isn't that funny. Yeah. It was like I did Conan. I've been doing Chelsea I got a half hour. I shot the HBO show after I was out of the hospital. But I just wasn't feeling good. And I think part of that had to do with the medication that I was on. They switched up. My medication the situations. I was in and I had to you know, teach myself new habits. Stay busy in that's part of it. I mean, I did warm up for nine years. And I I was busy every day. And I'm sure people thought warming up for sitcoms talk like variety show Chelsea lately. A lot of shows at Fox Sports comedy, central pilots. Not sitcoms. Those guys make pretty good money. But I'm not in that that high elite world of it. But I was. Yeah. People probably thought before all this happened. It'd be the guy who this guy may snap. I feel like right now. Because I'm in a bit. I am in a better place. I mean, I am on different medication now than I was before. So maybe the medication that the doctors are saying like the lex appro alone that I was on was not the right medication for me. So the fact that I had this episode and they switched up my meds, and it took a while to find the right combo. Cocktail. And that's why I think there's one, you know, getting that it was hard to to to balance out, but it did help my comedy. And it did keep me from going into that red zone and frightening the audience, so these meds helped my comedy, but we're making my life more. It was more difficult because they can kinda like bring you down a little bit slow you down L, you kind of taken dole you and taking give you anxiety meds can give you depression, the takes time to adjust. So it was finding the right cocktail. But all the while. My comedy was good Greves grateful for that. But my personal life me as a, you know, I just had it's been it's been tough. And it's getting better. I'm not saying I'm healed on perfect. But. Man. The depression was really hard for me before we get to that. Let's let's talk about the the the manic episode because it's not something that we. Get to talk about a lot on this on this podcast. And I get a lot of emails from people that want people to talk about the mania side of bipolar. So. Can you talk about how how that manic episode began what it felt like how it progressed etcetera etcetera? Walk walk me through it. You got it Paul Gilmartin. Yes, hold my hand. Follow me with a flashlight. Just a little build up. The only thing that was really bothering me that wasn't that was out of my normal issues was how I left Chelsea lately. And I left that on bad terms. I left that maybe in a manic type behavior. I was very, you know, I did my job good. But I would I would you know, I'd sweat and I'd get on the audience for not clapping. And it was I was like, you know, uptight and focused, and you know, coming from that athletic background. So it can be polarizing at time. So that's what I'm saying. Like people thought, well, maybe this guy will snap one day. And then I did. And so anyway, did the warm up. So that was the only thing that was really bothering me where you let go. No. But as a frayed, I was gonna be like, oh, I I quit before I felt like I was going to be fired or reprimanded. And I felt. I was being reprimanded for. You know, I I don't want to go all into detail on that. But that one was because it's all been better. It's better. Now at that. Those relationships are have been smoothed over, and it was just basically an issue with the crew, and I went on the hallway vent it to one of the producers, and he felt it was unprofessional. And I felt I had worked there for four hundred shows, you know, I'm allowed to vent one time in the hallway, and he kind of like pushed his weight around a little bit upset means. So then the second show that day for warm up. I kind of like real did in. I didn't give him the Brody energy which I do every day. That's my job. It was harder for me to sit there. And but I had to make a point like you can't push me around. I mean, I have to be in a good mood, and you have to let me. Then I mean if I'm doing it. And I was in like saying, you gotta do something. I was just kind of like these guys are bugging me in there. And anyway, it ended bad and bothered me. How the situation was. And how I went from being a part of the part of a family to being an outsider. So that was bothering me on the good side. I had this HBO opportunity and now are the opportunity to get out there. And hopefully, do some more stand up and build up you'll get out of the warm up because I had always been I didn't mind doing warm up. I like it actually. But I feel like I could take half that energy and make twice as much money. You know, it's like warm up. You're banging your head against the wall. Sometimes, but if you get the right gig where you're with your friends, or whatever, it's fine. But there are hell gigs, you know, in that warm up world. So I I owe it to myself I owed it to myself to really try and go for it outside a warm up. So. Anyway, left Chelsea that was the one bad. It was bringing me down if that was one negative other than my just like normal insecurities. But I knew I had an HBO show. I was doing festivals at went to Ireland. I went to Montreal. So we I was pitching these shows as actually like doing these pitch meetings. I was confident. They're put me on TMZ every week. I'll out in front of the hangover two premier. They out in front of the comedy store. And the improv was on that all the time feeling good. I was being myself. I was exercising. I was happy. And I felt like maybe at that point. I started thinking maybe I don't need the Lexa pro so much like now, maybe I can drink a little bit because you really can't drink on it. And there are some side effects sexual side effects. I felt like I was doing well, maybe I can cut back. But again, I wasn't under doctor's care on it. So that was I didn't go off at that point. But it was like implanted in my head. I was maybe I can get off this thing because things are going well, and I feel like wanna go to another level. So. Trying to think about the story here. So went to Montreal actually Ireland did well in Ireland feeling good go to Montreal feeling good. And then I was kind of I ration my meds a little bit in Ireland because I wanted to drink and be a Iraq still took them. But I- ration them. I got to Montreal went straight to Montreal from from Ireland. I got to Montreal. And I might have taken. I felt great the first day got there and the second day I just felt like a sickness coming on. And I got this twenty four hour. Flu body aching throwing up really bad. And I didn't even take I didn't take my vitamins, I stopped with the lex appro. I was weaning off kind of like, you know, not in the proper way. But then when I got sick, I couldn't even swallow. I couldn't eat. So then I ended up after like forty eight hours it'd being bedridden sweating, and which may have been with. Withdrawal because I wasn't taking lex appro consistently. Like, I should have. That's what it may have been. But it also may have been the flu like a twenty four hour flu. So I go downstairs at the hotels, free healthcare. And the guy says have strep throat the doctor says you have strep throat here's get this antibiotic and you'll feel better in twenty four hours. I took it. I felt better in twenty four hours. My mind was clear. I was feeling good. I did a show that night the next night. The next day. I take antibiotic I'm not taking the lex approach because I feel like okay. It's outta my system. I'm good. And I took the antibiotic. I'd good shows in the couple of days there at a great time partying. It was fun. Come back to LA, and I go see my mom feeling good come back to a dodger game. And then I see Zach and Zack is like what's this is like three days. So it's been I've been off the blacks approach for like six days and Zack's sees me Galvin axes. Goes what your teeth or white? What are you on cocaine? He thought it was on cocaine, and I was like I was happy. I was taking like a victory lap. I was really like in a good mood. Like, I went to Ireland. I went to Montreal the HBO show. They bought they bought the HBO show. The the pilot. We did. I did see the pilot before I went to Ireland. But I didn't love it. I thought look good. But I didn't think it was super fun. And then when I heard back like the people didn't HBO didn't get it. But they're gonna still give me that opportunity. I felt a little pressure. So I had the Chelsea stuff bumming me out, and I had some pressure from this HBO show only in a sense that felt like it could have been funnier. And I didn't like the way I looked on camera a lot of issues. So I had that on my mind. So I do Montreal things are going great comebacks axes me with the white teeth. What are you on your own cocaine? I ended up yelling Zach or an argument with his girlfriend fiance at the time. And then that's a set me off. Like when Zach was like yelling at me. What was he saying to you just like don't just things like don't talk to me like that in my house? And you know, he was mad in. I felt like I was just like hyped up. I wasn't oh my. Meds. And I was like I was on cocaine almost which I wasn't on. But that's what it seemed like in then adjust the more. They they would check on me upset me. And I remember like. To retract the story. The they sent they call like the co like Dave wrath would call me. My friends are calling maybe rather than mandatory manager. Yeah. And a friend. So these are great call me checking in on me. And I said, I'm fine. I'm doing great. I'm having a good time because they were seeing stuff on Twitter, and there are worried about phone calls that they're calling and I said it was fine. And then they sent the cops over to my house on Monday night. This is an I had been back since like Friday. It's like a Monday, they sent the cops in my house. I go what do you like upset me? You know, the cops. I saw them. And they said how are you doing? Are. You wanna hurt? Anybody? You hurt yourself? I know feeling great. And I was hosting TMZ. That's what I did. I hosted TMZ that week. So hosted TMZ I'd not there the park on Wednesday on Monday. I'm getting time line confused a little bit. But like the next Monday is like once I did TMZ that kind of set me off to like I felt like Ed superpowers Ombu TMZ now don't mess with me. So that that like gave me superpowers. I got the host it. Remember, I was like they're showing me every week. So like four straight weeks. I was on. They can Harvey Levin goes I liked this guy's from the valley. Just like me, and they asked me to host it. So I knew when I was in Ireland Montreal I was going to get a chance to host TMZ, which was like, you know, I'm not gonna bash celebrities, but I'll do it in a fun way. You know, I don't believe in the whole 'paparazzi and upsetting people. But if I can get a Chang, and I'm a comedian put me on goof around. So I ended up doing. That and I did well and that gave me like super confidence and already tied in with being off meds for like four days five days, probably five days at that point. Do that feel super confident? And then I started yelling at people like at Starbucks women to Starbucks in like people are giving me like weird energy. And I felt like f you guys I'm on TMZ. I'm going to hang over. You know, don't talk to me that way, you know. I was like say I was talking loud on the sidewalk kind of disrupting them. And then they complain to the manager. And he came out and says you got to calm down or something. Then I like I sat down, and I started crying. I was happy. It was like tears of joy like I'm doing. Well, this is my this things are going great. And these people better respect me, you know, these are like actors giving me bad attitude. Fuck them. That's kind of what I was saying like so there was a kind of a paranoia in their in their to a little bit. Yeah. Like paranoia sounds like he were reading things into how people were looking at you. Or do you think you were just so jittery that? They were kind of looking at you because it wasn't jittery wasn't jittery. I was I was hyped up. But I wasn't louder Ray. Yeah. I was talking loud and enough to where they complained, and you know, and then I went to another Starbucks. And this is after they the cops like a Monday, they called the cops on me. This is the cops came to check on me. And that's what I said. Why would I be? Why would I want to hurt myself? I'm happy. I'll tell you. I mean, I I was in the hangover. I just hosted TMZ things are great. And then one of the compasses kind of a jerk and the other one was like laughing and I asked laughing cop. Can I talked to this other copy goes? Yeah. Go ahead. I go why are you being? So mean to me like, why are you being you don't like Jewish people were saying that? I know you're you got like a bad attitude. I I'm a good guy. Go I work out to Joe Rogan. You know, why don't you take? I said why don't you take off your badge and belt come out back, and we'll fight? I'll fight you. I said that to the cop and he liked back down. He like, I don't know if you thought it was a joke or what? But they he didn't like like backed them down a little bit. I was I. Yeah. A cop. They didn't cuff, you know. No, no. They did not cuff me they did not cuff me were you. At that point. Did you really want to wrestle him? No. But I was. You know, I felt like I could did you just trying to get into the into the mindset of what it feels like to be in mania because I don't know if I've ever experienced anything like that. Does it feel like you are like people are slowing you down? Yeah. Okay. Because that's feeling. I get is. It's just seems like you're invincible. People are slowing you down. How dare you not think I'm funny? How dare you give negative energy towards me? How dare you? Look at me weird. How dare you not respect me? So is it kind of an irrevocable euphoria a little bit. I mean, I mean that happened at that, Starbucks, so. Actually that was on Monday when the cops came, and I love that you're getting coffee. Course coffee caffeine keeps me going. I only have a couple of cups a day. Anyway, are you sleeping at this point not much like four hours and people think I'm up all night. I'm tweeting up a storm. I'm just going nuts on Twitter. So that's why people know like something's not right with Brody. Is it a bit for his HBO thing is is it real? And then I mentioned something about a gun. And that's when like that caught the eye of a lot of people that scared me, what did you say? I said I had a gun back off leave me alone. I got a gun. Somebody said I may have set out a gun in my mouth. I don't know. But I didn't have a gun. I didn't wanna hurt much tweeted that I did that because I was getting these calls from all my friends worried about me. It was like, I'm fine guys. I'm fine. Trust me. I'm happy. I was out of character. You know? And so then I said something about the gun was later on. They started calling me on like Sunday because. What was it Saturday? I came back. So it's already been like a week. And I go going down to a friend's now with the TMZ guys at the angel baseball game in Orange County say why don't you come down? And I know some players I can get a pass and in meet them. So yeah, I said, yeah, I'll go do that. So I'm feeling great. I'm like totally like eyes wide open feeling good. Nice white teeth. Yeah. Nice white teeth, of course. And then I go to seven eleven and I know that I'm putting out these weird tweets, and I'm walking in the parking lot. And I see this guy who looks like he may be an actor or something I go up to one because I'm like going up to people I go are you on Twitter? You'll see I go listen all buy you a beer all by case of beer, if you tweet something like, 'i Brody Stevens is a good guy. He just bought me beer. That's what I asked him to do. And he said he would do it. Because I said I need I said I've been doing some crazy tweets I need like a stranger on Twitter this as something positive about me. And he agreed to do it. So we go inside the seven eleven and he gets like, a six pack and go get a case of beer, get a case, no problem because I was just going to get them whatever he wanted. I said you work out get some protein shakes gave whatever you want. I'm here for you. And then we're waiting in line. And I'm like, dude, you're freaking me out. I go I'm offering to buy you, beer, and work out drinks. And all you gotta do is write a tweet. And you're being a jerk amigo. No wonder you don't you're not any movies. No one. I'm in movies a home. I go you got a bad attitude, man. I gone nice guy and you freaked out. That's why people don't hire. You. You said you were an actor. I wouldn't hire you. Wow. And then I like was yelling in there. I mean, it was like yelling was any part of yourself going. I sounding like a pompous crazy guy. Not really no I was like in Brody mode because when you're not in that manic stuff, you don't believe that stuff. Do. No, no. I don't do. I believe that you're better than other people because you were in the no, no the -lutely. Not absolutely not. But I will say in warm up. I'll go like if the crowd isn't bringing energy or a guy slouched over I go don't be slouched over positive energy, sit up. Look, I mean it happens for me. I'm booking. Why am I working? Why do they call me? You know, why? Because I sit up I bring positive energy, and I accept blame for everything. And that's why people want me there. And because I do these shows these audiences and sometimes they're paid audiences or their football team or a baseball team. So you give them a little advice on life. And, you know, make it funnier whatever. But yeah, I yelled. At the guy there in the parking lot at seven eleven and then I went to the baseball game drove down there, and I was combative with security guys. Now at any point. Are you thinking to yourself? This is the sixth or seventh person in a row that is telling me the same thing. They're all wrong. Okay. I'm right. Okay. You're wrong. I'm feeling good. I'm doing things and then on top of that. Yeah. It was tweeting up like on the next hundred million dollar guy. Hangover three signed because everything was related to to me. You know, H B O was Warner Time Warner, and then you had. Hangover was Time Warner. And then something else is Time Warner their HBO's. Time Warner HBO Warner Brothers and something else. But I was like tying all this. Oh, TMZ TMC's Warner Brothers. So I like tied them all in like, I'm signing a deal with them, which I wasn't. But I was just putting all this crazy positive energy and people like following me. And then, you know, they know if it was a joke or a meltdown or whatever. So anyway, I went to the baseball game. I was a little combat of not combated with security, but not bad. I've been down there a bunch. But I said like, I'm with TMC sports. Now, treat me with a little bit of respect. That's what I was saying. So I was like turning my Brody life into like reality like really blending in. And I was combat if if you weren't with me if you're against me, it's like you're wrong. So I went to Sarah silverman's party that night. And I was basically just cornering people and talking and I thought it was fine. I mean, I was goofing around with Marilyn Manson. He got a kick out of me, David cross and. Roberts smiley goal, and all these other people people's joking with some people I cornered, and I spoke to and some people like thought it was like my is a kudos acted where people really knew me thought. I was acting weird people who kind of knew me thought it was funny. And then people who didn't know me at all thought, I was like annoying or whatever and Sarah had told me to calm down or whatever. And I go, you know, I was like mad at her for having heard telling me that but I didn't like snap or anything. So then I go downstairs, and I'm going to good mood that Saturday and then Sunday back to tweeting. And then Monday, they sent the cops Tuesday. I go to another Starbucks, and that's where I walk in. I see a couple of people over here on cold water in Ventura, and I see a couple of people and their laptops and the writing and I ordered a drink and I was waiting at the cold bar. And I see this guy as a same kind of shoes on as me, and I'm wearing a dodger shirt, and he's worn a dodger hat, so I'm waiting in my line, and I'm French. Liam broady. I'm friendly guy on hangover. I host TMZ good things for happening. And I'm in the valley, and they see the guy go. Hey, I he's he's got like an earpiece in he's on the laptop and I pointed the shooting. Hey, we got the same shoes. Then I go. Dodger dodger it's kinda like any at an earpiece. And goes, I'm I'm on the phone I go, I'm just being a nice guy. I go. Why are you such a jerk? Man. I go I'm doing you're right in a movie, I'm doing movies. I said something like that. You know, I go why? I mean, I'm a I'm a good guy. You're being a jerk to me. Hey, this guy's a jerk. And then he told the barista we're told there was this guy's harassing me. And then I said, this guy's a jerk. I'm being nice, and he was being a jerk. So then I walk out of the I'm walking I go see this guy back. He's a jerk and he'll never work in this town. This. What do you feel as you recount this? What what what does it? I don't want to do whatever again. I mean, it's it's kind of funny. If you like, you know, I mean looking back on it. Thank god. I didn't get hurt or nobody else got hurt. And I mean, that's a pause. That's fantastic. At that. Didn't have it's fantastic. But I went outside. It's fantastic has oh, I know. Yeah. It's fantastic. That nobody goes. I mean, the potential for that seems huge. Well, yeah. I had a couple more. So I go outside there. And these are meaning guys they recognize me from doing comedy at the comedy store. So I sat outside go guys because eight talked me a couple of minutes before I go, I just yelled at a guy. I'm gonna get in trouble. I know it like he's going to call the cops or something because they already sent the cops to my house, and I feel like. So they're laughing. And then I go back in there. I opened the door go I'm still out here waiting for you. And then some girl goes, hey, once you just mellow out you mellow out. That her boyfriend started coming after me. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Paul because I didn't wanna fight. I didn't want any you know, I wasn't like wanting to fight. So. Oh, also after the Sarah Silverman party. I went to the comedy store, and there's this like two thirty three in the morning. They're hanging out in the back parking lot. So I come in there in a good mood drive. My car in talking to my friends or whatever. And there was like a drunk guy who was like annoying people. It was annoying my friend, Matt and he likes started coming at me like to touch meal, and I like front kicked them you'll get the fuck outta here. This is my lot. I know where the fuck this guy is move them. I like, but I front kit kit them that us coming out trying to touch me. So I did get physical there. So did Sarah's party. When did you did you let him know that you're in the hangover? No, I did not actually now. I know I do not just front kick the guy. I said get him the fuck outta here. This is I perform here not this guy. You know, you don't fucking touch me you're bugging everybody. Get the fuck outta here. So it was like, whoa. This brody's Curson is like nobody said anything at the time. Really? They're just kind of probably shocked at I was acting that way. But then so that was on that Sarah Silverman Saturday party and Monday, the tweet Monday, the cops came the first time and then the second and then. Tuesday. I go with I go to Starbucks. And that's why I say the guy has the same shoes as me, and he tells them baristas there. He's talking to the Armenian guys outside. Right. And I yelled at the girl and her boyfriend it's going to come after me. And I said, I'm sorry, some sit there and then the cop show up. Well, actually, the guy runs out the guy. He'll daddy. Like ran out of the the the the Starbucks. I took off and then here like the cops come in, and I dealt with the cops last night. So like, okay, I'll talk to him again. I don't care. So it's different copses time, and they came up, and I go guys film. This totally our meeting. I get your cameras up film everything I told them that before. So they took me, and I go the lady officers to officers, and he goes, you stand up, and I go. Yeah. Shit apart start putting the handcuffs on me. I go Brody being arrested film nece, and she does pro he's not being arrested. He's being detained. And this is right out there like Ventura and Coldwater essentially. And she's frisking me at my hands up. They brought me off to the side like between the Ralph's and the cold water. I'm sitting there like nothing was it didn't bother me at all that I was in handcuffs. And I was out in public and people were staring at me. It didn't bother me at all. You were probably enjoying it. Because it's like this is more stuff to talk about on stage. The here I'm gonna get some clips out of this mean. Exactly, okay. Yeah. Exactly. And they're videotaping. And you know, I wasn't violent or I was just telling her the whole story the girl holding my arm the cop, I told her my whole story. I asked her about I asked her about her. I told her exactly I may have mentioned that was stopped taking my meds. I may have mentioned that. But I was basically Tony. I'm going to good mood. I'm happy. You know, this guy was being nice to this guy. And I'm sorry. I overreacted or whatever and not a bad guy. The cops came to my house last night things are going. Well, my friends are worried and they like started like loosening lemon hangover. Did you let her know? You're in the hangover. I I I'm not sure I did. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I can almost guarantee us. And they had me in handcuffs. And they started like loosening up their grip on me. They kept the handcuffs on me. But they're waiting for their their supervisor to show up. So I was there for like fifteen minutes out on the sidewalk, but being nice, not fighting. And they started like asking me cuff Stu tied. I go. No, they're fine. And then the the head guy showed up fifteen twenty minutes later, he pulled me aside. And he says. You know, he probably knew what he was briefed on what happened. I said I won't do it again. I'm sorry. I lost. My cool guy was bugging. You know in let me go. He said he didn't go. My friends have been worried about me. But I'm fine. The cop day officers came to my house last night. I'm okay. And he said just promise me, you won't cause any promise. I promise. So anyway that was Tuesday. So then I went back on Twitter. And I said I got detained or whatever. And then Wednesday. I went Howard Kremer, you know, Howard Kremer from who charted he came over to visit and I was just like all hyped up. But you know, excited I knew I was on a bender. I knew I needed to get out of town like I was causing problems. I was out of care. So it's starting to sink in that, maybe they're not all wrong. Correct. And I need to take a quick vacation. You know, go down see my mom, but I couldn't go down there. She was busy or whatever. And so I was with the Howard, and we went to McDonald's 'cause I just wanted to like update them on what was going on. We went like we were going to go to a different Starbucks, but with your remodeling. So we went to McDonald's just to go there and was telling them my problem, they're telling what was going on. But I was still like hyped up. So then we go back to my apartment, and I guess at this point the guys were all like following. Me around like checking up on me. My friends were like secretly brody's losing it. We gotta follow him. Make sure he doesn't get hurt. And they're really like research and all this stuff. And so I come back and Howard's phone rang. I picked it up. It was Dave wrath. I picked that up. I go, Dave. This is Brodie. I got a gun. I'm kidding. I'm doing great a positive, I'm happy and then. I was in a good mood. Then I went upstairs, and I took a shower one other thing one thing like two nights before I went to another seven eleven and I saw this guy. They're like not a home might have been homeless guy, but he was like harassing girl. Like, you could tell she wanted to go in. He went up to her window and she was like creeped out by him. And she laughed. She didn't go in. She liked this left. And I was in my car. He came up to my car wanted money. Go nine like rolled my window up. And then I'm leaving. I'm seeing there you go. You creep you too scared that chick you better fricken. I was probably cost and you've got a fuck and watch it. I I live around here. I'm watching you you to scared that girl, you better mother for, you know, most f- bombs and all that stuff. And I taped it I put it on YouTube or mice base or whatever. So people saw that. And there's like making these crazy videos. So anyway, the cops they detained me. At the Starbucks and the next day. I go to McDonalds a Howard Kremer, I go back home. Everything's good. Dave calls. I'm joking that I had a gun which I didn't have I never had a gun never intended on having a gun. And then I go into take a shower, and I'm still emotional my crying, and I'm laughing feeling good. But it's like tears of joy. And I told I saw my landlord, and I say oh you rent because it was like day. I oh, I owed rent. And so I go up and take a shower, and like I'm in the shower washing off, and I see here like the doors shut are open. I thought it was my roommate Jill Wagner was staying with me at the time. And I see it's police officers like three cops and there, so I get out of the shower in there in my apartment like four cops, and they handcuff me, and they throw me down like on my this one of these chairs here, and like I was naked, basically. So pratt. Weekly sat on my testicle. Which is nice for manic person. Yeah. And. They wouldn't give me a towel. I had my towel. And the cop was me in a kind of jerk us audio taping me, and he was like glancing at me. And like, I go, look, I I'm not a crazy guy. I go I work at Chelsea lately. I've worked on these shows the comedian. I'm a good guy. I don't have any guns. I have nothing. And I think they knew I wasn't taking my meds. I may have mentioned that. But they guy was just being pricked to me this head cop guy like in the whole in there. The other two cops like holding me down hard. And like, they weren't very nice at all the other cops in the night before we're nice the cops at Starbucks were nice. The four other cops that I dealt with for fine. These guys were kind of jerks, and like egging me on a little bit in like making me negotiate for like my shoes. My underwear I go can I at least I said, I'll do whatever you want me to do. I'm not fighting that all go with you. If you wanna take me way. But at least can I put on some clothes. They go. No, I don't touch men's underwear like they wouldn't let me get up and get my underwear. And then he like kicked my shoes towards me. Here's some she like pushed them, and I said fuck you, and I kicked my like used to treat me like a jerk. That's it. We're done. And then he threw like a comforter on me. Like, it was like a piece of crap bed comforter, or whatever they took me out on handcuffs restraints, and my whole apartment buildings looking at me in the cop is like foamy this supervisors being like addict, but smiley like egging me on a little bit. And I was gonna fuck you. Fuck you and your acne scars jerk. Wow. I was like pissed off. And he was like laughing. So anyway, then they took me down to torrents UC because there wasn't a bed at UCLA. They took me down to like the frigging were they take crazy people off the street. So I went there, and I spent like thirty five hours there, and they wouldn't talk to me. I said look I went off my meds. That's all I'm not a normal guy. I work on I worked at Chelsea. I hosted TMZ I just got back from Montreal on the normal guy. Like that like any of that matters to them. You know what I mean? But it does a little bit like when I went to UCLA later on. And they check the computer. Oh, you're famous, you know. Yeah, I'm normal. I'm not a bad guy. So they were kind of like weird to me at this. You know, the the the county place. I went to UCLA county one it was bad and the they weren't they weren't there. Again. They don't treat you special. They just treat you like anything. And then I was asking questions like nobody was. Answering me and then this guy was like crap in his pants over. And I go all crap my pants all act like a wild man lets you tie. See this guy doing it? There you need to take a break ago. These guys doing it. Why don't you tell me anything? Let me make a phone call. They put me like a solitary room for like for like a half hour an hour. And I was and I I was like doing pushups was banging on the door. I was like looking to gore looking at the guy go, I'm enough was like point. I was just like playing it up like those like Robert deniro in taxi driver that taxi driver, but the other wife fear Cape. Fear more Cain fear because taxi. I never wanted to shoot anybody. And I didn't want to shoot myself. I wasn't you know, that was this. You know, you do comedy at the comedy store, and you do crazy stuff. You know, the craziness in doesn't, you know, crazy comedy kinda like prepared me for this kind of stuff. Like doing these crazy late night shows at the comedy store. Now, I'm like locked up in a in a hospital. Psych I've seen it all. But I mean because it's a crazy story how I got in the hospital. So like that just I can't imagine how frustrating that's got to be for somebody who feels like they have the energy to be God. And everybody is not only not agreeing with you. But they are impeding your progress. Yeah. Exactly. They're wrong. You are wrong. I'm doing the right things. I'm taking the victory lap. It's about time. I have a good time. I'm going to be nice to myself. Now, these these things. Were you talk about you know, I'm doing I'm doing these things. I'm accomplishing these things g you in talking with your therapist about that is there like some type of childhood trauma or issue where you felt like you were like power was taken away from you. Or your kind of needs weren't mad or you were belittled or something. I would say I was belittled. I was picked on a little bit. I'm very sensitive. I'm a nice guy. I'm a little selfish. But of a nice guy, and I am sensitive, and I analyze things. So who were you picked on by just like other kids growing up? I feel though I went to public school a lot of kids probably went to private schools. I went to public schools. I was bust, you know, and. You deal with not that in private school people get picked on. But I felt I was kinda like out there in a tougher environment. And I'm a nice guy. And I just got picked on a lot for being a nice guy. But I also played sports. So people respected me, and I didn't consider myself a funny guy or funny kid. I just thought it was like I thought it was weird actually. So I didn't have any like. Yoni thing too traumatic happened to me couple things. But you know, for the most part can you talk about those. Save it for another podcast. No, I was just taking advantage of in. You know, could like. You look at it. Anyway like that. So I was taking it as a kid that not like an adult, maybe like, you know, just pushed around a little bit. I didn't have an older brother. I Don older sister who did her own thing. But I wrote BMX bikes I played baseball. But I was in an apartment building where it probably was like a lot of kids and single moms. And again, I wasn't. I don't think I'd that protection. Just remember guys picking. Oh, you're gay you smile. You're nice guy. They took my niceness for being gay know like, oh, you're gay. I was like, I'm just a nice guy. Open-minded nice kid. And I don't think they they appreciated that or got that. So I started getting picked on like, maybe I am gay. They're all saying, I'm gay. So that bugged me and that kind of like the fact that I was just thinking about that bothered me. And then I is, you know, people would I talk about this and other podcasts. It's like how I walked or am I mad like gay man or 'isms, but I wasn't gay and I'm still. I'm ten percent gain. I talked about another podcast, but. I'm not I'm not flaming. I just wish I was a Maju ish guy Jewish guys are goofy. You know, comedians are goofy artists and actors are goofy. I came from that jock world where everything is you're not goofy. It's conform. And then when you go in the alternative world that the alternate world, the, you know, show business arts, people are so more open. And so, yeah, you're you're encouraged to be different your courage to be different and they're more accepting. Whereas when you're playing sports, you're dealing with that jock mentality, and I get it. And it means they like you for the most part, but it can wear you down. And you feel like I don't wanna be around this at rather be around smarter checks girls doing that sort of thing. But I mean, I love baseball. But I'm just like I wish I was more graceful. I wish I was a better athlete. Like, I walked better. I carried myself better. And I do things I do yoga. I do stretching I feel like there's things that I can control. But it does screw with me messes with my head a little bit. Because I wish I was more graceful athlete. So so you it's it's fair to say then that there was kind of. When you were in this manic episode, there was also a chip on your shoulder from your adolescence that that no I am enough. You know, your they were they were wrong. Yeah. I mean, I don't know about so much day were wrong war. But I did have a chip on my shoulder. I think the Tim z thing did it to me. I think the HBO show selling that. And having them by that idea and having other networks agree to buy it too. So I had confidence with that. I was doing Chelsea lately up until when night left. I was appearing on that. I was I did hang over one. I did hang over to. I was doing these festivals. So I did kind of develop a chip on my shoulder a little bit. But I wasn't like, you know, I wasn't rubbing it in people's face or anything like that. But I did do that in your manic episode. You were my man, definitely I I was just, you know, everyone would say it was out of character. And I was I was out of character. And I had that you know, as you fork at felt good. I felt like I didn't need sleep. I could exercise and I just felt good about myself. I was lean and it just but I'll buy by by day six I knew something was off. And I need it to kind of like pullback. So let's go back to your in solitary. Yeah. I am. Right. So you were in solitary doing push ups. Banging on the wall. I was mad at this one doctor because he wouldn't tell me anything wouldn't tell me like what I'm going to leave. Or I told them like I just stopped taking my meds. And why don't you tell me more, and he wouldn't. And it was like can. I just ask a question you'd like walked by me. And then I saw his badge and go, you know, question is name. Where'd you go to high school? I knew all that Blake told me before I go, I'm going to find you. I'm gonna look for you. I know we're Harvard Westlake is or whatever school went to go. You're not. You're not treating me. Right. I'm a person at a patient you better. Learn how to do I deal with ideal with regular people. I'm not some crazy. I off the street and the way you're acting ain't cool eight right stuff like that. And then and then I was just like getting upset, and then they put me in that room. Because I I I mean, this guy shitting his pants are threatening to shit his pants, I go. Okay, I'll kiss I'll. Do that all threaten that? And then they put me in the room. It was like to me as fun and games to be honest with you, I wasn't. You know, wasn't gonna fight anybody. But I was just like I was amped up. But I wasn't a threat to anybody. Who's this weird? It was like in this in this situation. So when did you begin to realize that they're right? And I'm the one that's misinterpreting probably after about three days at UCLA because the same kind of thing happen once I moved to UCLA medical center after about a day and a half and be into the public downtown Burr where south bay or wherever it was. And this is all against your will have the. Yeah. I mean, I had no say I believe I had no say, and I was doing I was complying. I was saying, okay. If you think it's best. I'll do it. So they got a bet at UCLA, and I go to UCLA and the first few days, I was having some issues with the nurses there for having again, having them be treating me like a patient and not a person. And I was like letting them know, you know, I'm a normal guy. I mean, this it wasn't like I was a return visitor. You know, they had a lot of people that go in and out of that place or in and out of psych wards in hospitals was my first time, I stopped taking my meds. I made a mistake, you know, looking at it from their perspective, I've got to imagine to do their job they deal with so many people every day that can't see that they're in their illness that they probably get tired of trying to reason with them. And you just have to ignore them. You just have to write to shut down and just walk past them. And it's got to be a little heartbreaking. But they probably have to do that to protect themselves emotionally or just energetically. They they have to do because you would just be talked to death. If each and every person, you tried to make them see no, see this the reason that this is this, and this is that is because this happened in that. So it's probably just easier to just shut down shut down. And yeah, I figure that too. Like, they have a lot of you know, they're just trying to do their job and. But again, I was still kinda manteca at that point. I I wasn't able to think like think that one still couldn't see that you were in mania. Right. I couldn't see where people telling you your in mania right now. No, nobody was saying like your mania. You know, what he was saying like you had a manic episode, or, you know, just like you're here had you ever had a manic episode before this one not that I know of. Okay. I mean, I've had. You know, I've had some like. I mean, I've gotten mad at a couple of things, but I don't have road rage. I'm not a confrontational person. I'm not that kind of guy. Okay. You know? It's like, I I don't yell at waiters. I don't yell at people. I'd never had that issue. I didn't front kick guys in the parking lot at the comedy store, yell at people the seven eleven I never did that. Okay. You know, my comedy. Sometimes I would go into that area that red zone because I was so fired up, and I would be upset if I had a bad set. So those were things, but those are real like, that's what made me real people like that. Like that is this guy real he's so passionate. He's opened is going keeps them guessing. They're like where where's the? What is he exaggerating which part of the part of this is really him in which part of this is being pumped up, which is compelling to watch. Yeah. That's probably why I got a lot of fame not fame, but like fans or mention attention because I did that early on. But it didn't you know, stressful for me a little bit. That's why I'm saying that now that I'm on a different medication. I take a mood stabiliser right now, which never had taken in its take in it. It's been awhile for me to get a just it to this. What are you taking I take Lamictal three hundred milligrams? It's a mood stabiliser, but it anti epilepsy to he's drugs off label. They use them for anti-seizure anti-seizure would probably could work also was like an antidepressant at certain levels or work as a mood stabilizer anti-seizure. So I take this little doll, and that seems to mellow me out a little bit. And once you get to three hundred milligrams. Which is where I'm at. Now, you have to bring it up real slow because there could be a skin rash. But you get to that. And that to me as kind of soften my edges. I don't go in the red zone on more mellow. I'm at peace, you know, and I can think straight, but the problem with that is that it's hard to work out. It's hard to take action on some things or be it slows you down a little bit. But like I said, I'm I'm getting used to it. I'm getting used to it. And I'm learning life that I'm learning life lessons that are helping me adjust with that like having more structure developing positive habits having a support system. So, yeah, I'm on these meds and my body's adjusting, but all the positives are have a therapist. Now. I have a psychiatrist people know that what I went through sixteen months ago, or whatever there's a history of that. So I have the support in place. So. Yeah. The meds. The meds have helped me. Did we miss anything at UCLA? Okay. Back to that. Well, I if there's anything to if you bring up, and that's why you're good host Paul brought me back in. And that is when you were at UCLA. That's when I became aware of what was happening with you. Folks, people were like, you should get Brody on your on your show. He's at get them on. He just he's got hospitalized usual, positive, the hospitals. Like, well, you know, maybe right now isn't the best time. But right, maybe at some point in the future. So you're at UCLA. So bet UCLA the food is actually good the shower works great. I had my own room comfortable bed. Tv how about the pants shitting? No, I stopped that. Okay. I stopped that was a threat. Okay. Didn't follow through. I didn't follow through. But at that. I guarantee you people crap their pants a lot. I mean, a woman should be her lactating nipple there. And she wanted to give me your phone number. And I take it a fellow patient. You take it. I know what I'm saying. I take it. That was fell. Oh patient. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. It was a it was a lady. And that was like. Yeah. That first night. I was staying with crazy people off the street essentially, and the because there wasn't a bed available at the real UCLA on campus at the hospital there. So anyway, the next day they brought me in and took me a few days to adjust. And I felt like okay. I can't fight it. I thought maybe it only be there for three days, and they'd let me go. But when I realized I as a little bit longer. Was okay with it. They moved me around a couple of times. Like, I was at first I was like in intensive care. I think. And then I went to where they're like crazy. And then I went to like the addiction wing, and that was more mellow like that's where I should have been everyone was mellow over there. So they had me like the processing one where who knows like there's some there were crazy people in there. And they kind of like made you feel weird a little bit. Then they moved me to a one where it was like when you say crazy pill. You mean like people who are look who raising fully fully broken from reality. Where like they're hallucinating. Yeah. I mean, you would not have loose eighty but you'd see guy go. This guy's nuts. Like you talked to maybe guide a comedy show or something or a guy on the sidewalk outside at a comedy show. And like had that kind of energy this guy named Vada. His name was kinda like, you know, crazy weird. Yeah. And then they had you know, everyone had their own little issues. But then I had problems. Like, I said I had problems with the nurses there at first. So they moved me to intensive. Care, and that was where dealing with people who had like, you know, attitude problems, no acted up. So they put me in there. And after a couple of days because I felt I didn't belong in that one. They put me in the addiction place where people were more mellow much better. So I figured I'm going to stay in here. I'll eat they feed you. Well, I did not get involved in any activities. I wasn't doing any like arts and crafts or therapy. Because in my mind. I was air because I made a mistake I stopped taking my meds cold Turkey that and that triggered everything. So my mind I was completely set on that. So I didn't need this therapy. I didn't need to do arts and crafts. I didn't need the talk it out. But while you were there, you then it dawned on you, then okay? This is all result of me having gone off my meds. This is they're they're right. There is a problem here with how am acting. Yeah. There was yes. So that did finally occur to you. When you were in UCLA, correct? Okay. And so then were they were they giving you drugs point. And and was it those coming down from those that allowed you to see what they were trying to tell you probably. Yeah. They're giving me depakote Sara quel, which is depakote cycle lithium, and Sarah quill is an antipsychotic and it makes you sleep. And so they put me on meds to mellow me out stabilize me, which it did. And like I said like after a few days, I said, okay, I'll be here for a little while at least and. You know, there's no internet. I can call on the pay phone. There's no, you know, I ate all right to food was good. And they they you know, they wake you up in the morning for breakfast. And then I would go out on the patio, and relax, but kind of kept to myself. I read books I journal that sort of thing, and then like after nine days, I met with the you'll have like a little meeting like a process see how you doing with your doctor, and you're like a family represent Representative. And he wanted me to say basically that I won't attack anybody ever again at Starbucks. And I said, I won't attack anybody at Starbucks. I promise and he liked didn't believe me. Like, he's as I still. I don't believe in the decided to keep me there longer. I'm going to keep you for more days. And that pissed me off that was a one time where I felt like. I mean, I can go I've been here nine days. I get it. He goes, I don't believe, you know, he didn't believe me. And that's what I did like a hunger. Strike liked didn't eat for like a half a day. I did a half a day hunger. Strike, and then again after that, I just kind of sucked it up and I wanted to get out. Yeah. I mean, you're you're you wanna get out back into society. But it wasn't. It wasn't Porcher. Because I had a TV I had food. I had magazines and who's paying for all of that. Well, I I mean, I have insurance so insurance paid a big chunk. And I still owe I myself personally, I'll assignable melt, but nothing that's insurmountable. So yeah, I mean, I shudder to think how much that would be for somebody that didn't have insurance if I didn't have insurance. I think the Bill was forty seven thousand bucks, but I have insurance paid for quite a bit of it. So that was a lot of it was obviously the nights spent at UCLA, and then it was the ambulance and then a couple doctors. But it was I owe about eight thousand bucks, which was which. Which is a lot less than forty seven thousand so insurance at a great job on that. And I do have to pay them and set that up. So I was there when you pay them or you're gonna meet him at Starbucks. Beat them prove them that you know, everything school. I'm a nice guy. Nice guy. Take the mic doll. But I also take Lexa pro get them back on that, you know. And that's part of the depression. That was mentioned that earlier how nobody warns you that what goes up comes down. And I came down I came down pretty hard. And I think a lot of that had to do with. The meds the meds. They put me on and the living in Hollywood getting out of the valley where I'm comfortable and then moving to Hollywood to a studio apartment where I just never really felt comfortable. So adding that on to new meds kind of really brought me down and not having the structure like I used to have here when I was living here a couple years ago. I would have my routine I'd get up. I'd go to I would go to Starbucks. I would write I'd walk back. I'd exercise then I would go do audience warm, a pa- Chelsea and then eat dinner. Go shopping do a set at night, then repeat the same thing. I was doing all that. And then when I got out a warm up for that year or two I was doing festival gigs and picking up other things and becoming a better comedian and still exercising. And then when I went to Hollywood just I didn't I didn't have the space in my apartment. I didn't like the tour vans. I. Didn't like the noise. I didn't like all the actors and actresses all the people fresh to town the Swedish rock bands, the the crazy energy. That was just right down the street near you know, Hollywood and Highland. There's a there's a bad energy. There's a feeling of desperation pervades a Hollywood. And even though the valley is just over the hill and only five miles away. It's I'm from the midwest in the valley feels like the mid west to me, it just feels suburban it's. Yeah. It's not as hip, but it it just doesn't feel. I don't feel that desperation like I, oh he'll on the other side of the hill. I mean, it's palatable, and you see I mean, even at the coffee beans that I go to now the coffee bean, I'd go to on Fairfax and in sunset there. And it's like, yeah, there's hot chicks and there's actresses and there's like, I guess there's actor guys there's everyone's got a laptop. And then you got the crazy people, and then you can only park for an hour. And then it's like everyone's trying to be somebody. Then I come to the Starbucks out here, and it's like I can park forever. However, I want long, and there's none of these couple actors, but it's mostly families, and you know, in orthodox Jews, and I sit there it's just I feel a lot better. And I think that I was talking about being down. And how nobody warned me about that. I think one of the solutions what I think a big part of it was moving out and getting a different apartment coming back to the valley. And so far so good. It's worked. But I mean, I'm far from you know, I feel a lot better to be honest with you, you know, just doing more comedy and working, you know, work helps I mean, everybody would say work helps and. And I've had some things -iety things. I haven't had before, you know, like thinking about you know, moulder now forty two I don't have a kid. I don't have a wife. I don't have a girlfriend. I liked to have girlfriend wouldn't mind having a kid one day. I wouldn't mind being married. I wouldn't mind owning some property. I wouldn't mind. Doing those things. But I also have my own little personal issues that I need to take care of. I, you know, it's like really like yourself or love yourself before you can love others. And I'm starting to like myself, more and more, and that's part of doing a podcast too. I do my own podcast. And what is the name of your podcast, Steven Brody Stevens festival of friendship. I also do one one the Joe Rogan the death-squad network. I do a couple over there. And I play different characters. Like it depends. Like, if I'm a guest on somebody's podcast, they keep it real. And I can't be funny. If you wanna be funny. And then I have one I'll play a different role. And then there's my podcast the festival friendship is basically me doing a monologue for thirty forty minutes. I just talk whatever's on my mind, and then I bring on a friend or a guest, usually friend, not necessarily a famous friend or anything like that. And then we just talked for I turn into an interviewer so I- mellow out. And I interview I turned into like this guy as opposed to like, yes. Positive push. But I'll do that too on the intros. And so I do that. And that that feels good and. Why why did I bring that up? I was asking you about your podcast, and you were you were just talking about the different the different podcasts. But the one thing that I just want to kind of end with is how how are you feeling today in what are you? What issues are you addressing in therapy that you feel like are helping you get closer to being comfortable in your own skin. I think for me structures been a big deal getting out of the house, not isolating. Not that I had a problem isolating but getting out and doing that. So having structure every day. I get out comedians. They write every day, you know, writers write every day. So saying that I'm a comedian. And I'm a writer that gives me an excuse to get out of the house, go to a coffee bean, stay there for two to three hours. If I have to Email tweet, you gotta do all that crazy stuff. Now, Email tweet Instagram. Have some coffee relax make phone calls. Yeah. I treat it like my office. Is this good for me to be around people? And I do that. So that helps me taking action. I mean, the big thing for me with my therapy was really getting me out of my apartment getting back to having a home to come come to a home. Like, I have a home in apartment here right now. And it feels good and has carpeting and have a refrigerator, and I have cable TV, you know, and then abilities. Nice stabilities nice. But I don't have you know, financial stability necessarily. And I know a lot of people don't and that's something where I've had I've had some anxiety. You know, nor I'm suffering from normal stuff. Now. People listening are like how can a guy who was on the hangover in hosted this and did that how can he have financial instability? People a lot of people think that. Like once you've been on TV. You're just all of a sudden your your your set for. I mean, I used to think the same thing I see on TV or a movie or you're on radio. It's like, wow, you're doing. Well, that's not the case probably for most actors or most people so. Yeah. That's a real. That's a real reality being able to as a comedian believing in yourself. Feeling that you're an actual commodity where you can go to clubs and make strangers laugh and travel the country that that's daunting for me. You know? I don't like I said at the core. I'm a baseball player. So I feel that. And I'm starting to feel like I'm a comedian just taking me twenty years. And I just feel as though it's yeah. It's a stressful Stress- it's stressful. Some people can go and do six shows at the Orlando improv and think nothing of it. I would be terrified right now. I'm just not ready to do that. And on top of that, my, you know, my normal issue. So I'm trying to work on these things just like everybody else and trying to like make myself feel better about things take action. Stay busy believe in myself. Stay on your meds, stay on my meds. And and I mean, I would like to taper off I would lie. I mean, I would like to be on less meds. But there's no stigma. There's no. Stigma, but. The executive stuff is like I think I'm through the depression right now. But I'm have something Zayed's. I take Lana pin for that. I'll be honest. I take a client opin, which seems to chill me out. And but I can't really tell the difference with it. Maybe that that's a sign like, oh, it's working. You know, that's the thing with meds. Like, I don't need them anymore ball, you need them because how you feel right now. And the other thing too is sometimes you don't feel the effects of going off your meds for months. Oh, really? Yeah. I wanted to the last time I tried to go off my meds. I felt great after three months. I was like I don't need meds anymore and then at the five month, Mark, I was crying all the time and thinking about suicide, and I was like oh my God. In my psychiatrist was like. Yeah. That's why you're supposed to call me when you are thinking about going off your meds. Did you taper off a tapered off? But then it was it was five months after taking the last of the tapers. Wow. I'd tapered off over like two months. I mean. Yeah. Meds are scary thing. You know, you can't you can't freaked out. I mean, if you go on the internet and read up on stuff you can get freaked out by meds. And then also like I had a personal experience with it. So I'm a little, you know, it's a traumatic thing to go through to go through a a manic episode. However, you got there is a traumatic thing. And it's something that I do deal with every day. And I am getting better. And I do you know, I know sounds weird take it day by day. But that's kinda how I'm doing it. And I I'm lucky that I'm able to work that helps like being able to do warm up and be able to do different kinds of shows as a in the podcast and has really helped me out because I I I use it as a therapy. I don't dump on people. The podcast is definitely helped me out getting it out, and that's part of like journalists to do less. You wanna get these things off your chest and out of your head, and it really does feel better and that that works towards a better mental approach. Well, I appreciate you being so open open and honest, you do you want to wrap up the episode Brody style on our episode about about mania ES episode about mania here with Paul Gilmartin? Good guy buzzed in showed up on time. I had fun. We could keep going for hours, but we're professional. We know you're busy. But this podcast is going to help. Somebody is already helped me. It's my first podcast in my apartment's. Giving me confidence to be able to do a podcast in my apartment for. Another occasion. But I'm here. I'm happy Paul. Thank you. I was I'm not going nuts because I feel like I'm gonna answer my neighbors that we find if I yell too much. I enjoyed it. Brody Steven Brody, Steven Steven Brody Stevens, you got it. Yes. Push believe hashtag. He. Yes. I said. Yes twice. But David that's a comedian writer me. Gotta edit it down. Thank you, buddy. You got it many many things to to produce Stevens. Before I take it out with a survey and a forum thread, I want to remind you guys that there are a couple of different ways to support the show. And those of you that have listened to to all the shows or a lot of them. I apologize for this broken record of me saying this on on every episode, but yeah, it's it's necessary. So here goes the pitch couple of different ways to support the show. You can support a financially by going to the website, mental pod dot com and making either a one time pay pal donation or my favorite and recurring monthly pay pal donation. You can sign up for as little as five bucks a month. You only have to do it once, and then it just takes care of itself from from then on until you decide to cancel it. You can do it for as little as five bucks a month. Which may not be a lot to you. Brings me closer to my dream of doing this time. You can also support the show another financial way is you can when you shop at Amazon goat. Enter through. The search portal on our homepage right hand side about halfway down. And then if you buy something at Amazon through that Amazon gives me a couple of Nichols doesn't cost you anything itchy pestered. You can support the show nonfinancial by going to tunes giving us a good rating. And by spreading the word through social media. All right. That's out of the way. This first survey. I wanna read is from a woman called Oscar, and she is. Bisexual. She's thirties about her bisexuality. She writes, I've I've yet to act on my bisexual impulses in heaven yet dated or really done anything with the woman. I also haven't told my family about my feelings. And this makes me feel like I'm quote in the closet. She's in her twenties was raised in an environment. That was a little dysfunctional. Never been the victim of sexual abuse. Deepest darkest thoughts. I think a lot about genital mutilation and death. I don't know why. But I'm fascinated by both concepts and can't go a single day without thinking about either. I don't wanna have my genitals mutilated. But I think a lot about other women who have suffered through the process and I'm ashamed to say get off on the idea. It's disgusting and sick. And I feel like such a monster for masturbating to those kinds of thoughts. But I can't seem to not think about them. I love the idea of women in pain, and those kinds of images seem to dominate my sexual thoughts deepest darkest secrets. She writes, I have several deep dark secrets, but the one that I deal with on a daily basis is my very severe believe mea, I spent thousands of dollars on food each month, and I have on several occasions stolen, food and money to meet the needs of Mike compulsion. My Belania has so taken over my life. I've had to start vomiting in gallon sized ziplock bag. Eggs and storing them wherever I can find a hiding spot. So that no one becomes suspicious about my frequent trips to the bathroom. I hide them outside my window in my car under my bed, and my trash can in my room in boxes in my closet and anywhere else. I can find a place before it can finally throw them out in a dumpster somewhere around town. I have to plan my dumpster run. So that I can sneak all of the bags out of the house without anyone knowing when I am doing sometimes there are so many that I forget about them. I've actually left a bag in my car for over a week because I forgot about it. The stench was almost unbelievable by the time. I remembered it I also suffer from bipolar disorder, depression and anxiety all of which feed if you'll forgive the wording, the eating disorder, one of my deepest fears is that someone I love and respect will find out about my eating disorder and be completely disgusted by what they find. I have nightmares about my loved ones. Finding containers overflowing with vomit causing them to finally see. See what it disgusting pig. I really am. You know, I just have to pause here and say it makes me so sad that you call yourself a disgusting pig because. Any human being with compassion would see that in Nazi you. Disgusting pig, but see you as a very sensitive young woman who is in a tremendous amount of pain and a struggling to cope. And somebody who needs more love in their life and is worthy of it. That's that's what I that's what I see. I don't see disgusting pig. She says I feel like no one will understand. And then I'm completely alone. I try to educate myself on my disorder and do what I can to keep from acting on impulse to binge and purge. But I feel like I'm trapped in an endless cycle that I will never be able to break away from sometimes I feel like the only way to stop would be to kill myself. I'm very proud and have a hard time asking for help. And that is at the core of most of us that have an addiction. That is at our core is we have a hard time asking for help. She writes, a which makes the whole situation even worse. One thing that does help is finding other people out there who are like me. I try to find books and podcasts on the subject and can say that podcast. Like these have really helped. I would ask that you have more people with bulimia slash enemy. Xia on the show. Maybe even some therapists who can talk about the subject to help people like me. See would you ever consider telling partner close friends your fantasy? She writes. No, absolutely not. I'm sure that whoever I told with think I was at total lunatic. If I said anything about it do these secrets and thoughts generate any particular feelings towards yourself. She writes, yes, I feel disgusting and wrong for thinking them. Especially the thoughts about genital mutilation. I try to be an advocate for female equality, and feminist ideas ideals, and this is completely contrary to the philosophical traditions that I embrace the end to that. You know, I would say. Probably half of the surveys that I read that people fill out they have a sexual turn on that is contrary to what their morals are. And it causes them. Great great distress. And you are not alone in that in that does not make you a bad person at all at all. So stop beating yourself up about that and start asking for help because you deserve it. You absolutely deserve it. And along that line. I wanted to read this next thing to this is a thread from the form that was sent to me by by Sam, and the topic is why not just stay home, and that pool analogy, I talked about at the at the top of the of the show, I think that fits perfectly here of that. That fear of going out and the first part of the thread, this was from poster calls himself, jazz and blues and they right? Every time I get invited out or have some event I want to go to get all excited. And then it as it creeps closer. I get anxious. I start to worry about the money. I will spend at the event I worry about how to get there. The subways are annoying. I don't know enough people there. This person doesn't like me then about a half hour before I need to get ready and leave. I just say why not just stay home? It will be easy and simple. I can have two dinners drink some wine and watch documentaries and law and order reruns until I fall asleep or decided to jerk off then kit Kat posted after that and said, I go through the same thing, except my ings -iety will start at the very mention of outing. I think about all these things I want to do like go to concerts or parties or whatever. But then I think I can't do that. I'll have a panic attack. There's so many restaurants. I wanna try, but I know. I wouldn't enjoy it because it'd be too anxious. It's kind of sad. So most of the time I avoided altogether. Or I'll say this time, I'll go but end up curled on the couch the whole day worrying about it. But there are some times when I think fuck it. And I decided it will just go out for a little bit. Or I will go out and tell myself I'm allowed to leave it at any moment. If I get uncomfortable. Of course, it's not that often. But the more it happens the more I feel like I'm improving somewhat. So yeah, it's easy to stay in. But sometimes it's more rewarding to force yourself, which is obviously weight easier written and done, but you know, and then jazz, and blues rope pack, I completely agree. I told myself to shut up and just went out last night. And it was great. I didn't drink. I didn't feel the pressure to drink. I ride when I wanted to and left when I felt like it and then capitals jazz and blues put power. And I just think that's beautiful. And so I wanted to I wanted to read that. If you're out there on your loan are feeling alone. There's hope there's always help. You just got to get out of your comfort zone and ask for help. See I can't do this anymore. Most powerful phrase ever said July twenty first two thousand and three. I asked for help and my life has been getting steadily better. Since that day. So you're out there in your suffering. Big hug. Thanks for sticking with me for one hundred episodes. It means the fucking world. Thanks for listening. Everybody. I know is bizarre early beautiful everybody. Arly beautifully fucked up in some weird ways arly beautiful.

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Leo Laporte - The Tech Guy: 1606

The Tech Guy

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Leo Laporte - The Tech Guy: 1606

"That casts you love people you know this is true i just ordered and this is my tech guy podcast the show originally aired and the premiere networks on saturday july six twenty nineteen this is episode one thousand six hundred six enjoy well hey hey how are you today leo laporte here tech guy time talk computers the internet home theater digital photography smartphones smart watches all that jazz eighty eight eighty eight ask leo is my phone number if you wanna talk high tech eight eight eight eight two seven five five three six toll free from anywhere in the u s or canada outside that area you could still reach means you have to use a sky powder something like that tacoma number should be toll free eighty eight eighty eight ask leo the website tech guy labs dot com that's important because you don't have to write anything down as you listen to the show if you hear something a you know you wanna keep track of were gonna write it down for you james rufo even as i speak is scribbling everything i say right james right right james they'll put it up in tech guy labs dot com all the links information all the news stories all the calls own questions alvie answers tech guy labs dot com that's all you have to remember you could also use that as a forum to shout at me which is good cause shouting at the radio really doesn't do anything at all so if you disagree if you hear something and you say wait a minute that's not right or i got a better idea i tried that once and this is what happened you could just write that if you don't wanna call in in 'cause she called to but you could also put it in the comments at the website and there's no charge on the website i know what you're thinking oh leo he's pushing that website 'cause he's gonna make money on it no we do it i i really do the website because i don't want after anything so you'd have we want really james do it all how about that tech guy labs dot com scott wilkinson coming up in just a little bit he is are home theater guru johnny jet are travel guy in most importantly this week dixie bartolo mads maddest writer will be joining us in the third hour and i gotta ask dick what's going on it looks like mad magazine which was legendary in my life enfor junior high school boys everywhere a is going out of business well kind of go now is they're not gonna make any new stuff there's gonna republish old stuff that is he end of an era and you know i i think i think the internet can kind of take the blame that right there's there's plenty of places you could get you're satire plenty of places you get irreverence you don't need to go to the newsstand if even have a new stand by it have you noticed i mean i guess some of the price still get newspapers especially people of a certain age people my age and older i'm in my sixties you know at a newspaper we grow up with those right so weak still kind of have that i don't get it i get the sunday times which lays furled in my driveway till about wins day and i don't bother bringing 'cause it's right next the recycling bin i just toss it in there because i get it digitally right and i don't i can just reid the digital version of that i don't get any magazines anymore in fact a you know they used to be if you were in technology you'd have to get all the you know the computer shopper pc magazine pc world and macworld mac user all those they're all gone pc shopper computer shopper magazine is so big first of all with the tabloids size those big already tall and wide and then it was a stick is a phone book it was like getting to phone books delivered third tier home every month or every two weeks i can't i think they got every two weeks went by and what was it filled with not not editorial content well a little bit mostly it's filled with ads that's how this was in the heyday of the pc era and of course a couple of things happening internet happened so you get all the content online now and not have to pay for it but that's a story for another time it's kind of it's one of the reasons he's magazines are doing so well and they add same thing same thing find anything you need online my wife and i went when furniture shopping yesterday in it i don't know what it's like in your neck of the woods but here in the in california when you go shopping brick and mortar anything but a grocery store people still kinda have to go the grocery store but anything other than a broker grocery store if feels kind of broken down you've been to the mall lately it's the kind of falling apart art mouser closing all over the world because people shopping online why wouldn't you wouldn't just shop online so that's kind of the changing times and i guess mad magazine just the latest casualty i actually started a i'm a little worried because amazon so so dominant online i start i put a bookmark on my browser for walmart and walmart also does online shopping they're gonna lose a billion dollars this year and online shopping but they do it in a and i'm thinking maybe we have it'd be nice to have at least two companies you could buy stuff from otherwise it's like a company store right like tennessee ernie ford yomas so do the company store you don't that's the only place you could shop is amazon well there's nothing keep prices down no competition so i thought i i should buy some stuff from walmart just just the spread my dollars out a little bit johnny i the legendary designers sir johnny live the legendary designer for apple computer he started apple back in the i guess they're the nineties right because his first designed with something called the inmate i think that was even before steve came back with the newton this first school steve came back and suddenly there is this lennon mccartney relationship this partnership between these these to these two cats who knew how to make a product in for a couple of decades ban they had a run first of course johnny does the the bond die blue imac that's right when steve came back i was nineteen ninety eight two thousand one he does he ipod revolutionizes portable music it's kind of funny because what was that a eighteen years ago even then the walk and was already twenty two years old waffen celebrated its fortieth birthday the first portable music player remember that you put a cassette in it and if you like you said reverted her music together remember that ipod two thousand one a then of course johnny in steve's greatest creation i think there's no doubt about it in two thousand seven twenty years ago twenty two years ago v a i phone not too many too so my math status to hasn't said would it be twelve years ago by phone and then a vip pad in twenty ten start kinda going downhill a they they apple watch that was a johnny i've he he i the story goes he practically it is practically killed and it was kind of the beginning of the end for johnny b apple watches so hard because it's such a little screen right to make that usable in of course that's when apple trying to keep men trysted started paying them a lot of money and made him in charge they said johnny you're not only in charge of industrial design of are hardware you're in charge of everything human interface design everything suffer everything oh thank you very much you know i'm a night now all right here's another hundred million dollars so thank you very much then he did the air pods okay maybe maybe not the greatest design ever his probably his his crowning achievement his final minute apples apples park the spaceship campus the giant round circle building the key in steve that was also steve's last thing he was a very very ill when he when he got up the grout broke the ground for apple park never did see it completed johnny iv's leaving no sooner dizzy hit the door at apple and they say hey we got i think we do a new keyboard so as much as greatest johnny is and what a great designer i think without his his john lennon he's the paul mccartney he's you know he's not quite the designer he was and then of course his quest for thinner and thinner and thinner laptops gave us a keyboard on me mac book pros dysfunctional to be kind just not a good keyboard hardy they used it broke a lot and it's very expensive to repair almost the next week after johnny i've announces his departure within days on the fourth of july main she quote who writes about the apple in taiwan he's he kind of keeps and i am a supply chain says apple roll out a new keyboard design they're gonna dump the butterfly key and go scissors which is which way everybody's been using forever including apple starting with the twenty nineteen mac book air later this year hey if they do that i might even by ashley swore off apple laptops because of that horrible keyboard horrible keyboard can't do i can't do it can't bring myself to you at all right let's take a little break here 'cause we gotta do that and then we'll come back and take your calls again number eighty eight eighty eight ask leo eight eight eight eight two seven five five three six give me a ring com eighty eight eighty eight ask leo the phone number leo laporte the tech guy good at the phone after the hello kim shafir liotta kim like gimme don't take no shafir hoge tools oh my harry potter game play that game now it's the new pokey mongo yeah my all belated they're doing it oh yeah come on your you know you wanna hear pressuring away peer pressure did you remind magazine is a girl now i didn't yeah might be just middle school boy yeah i think it's more of a point thing i will be a i will be talking about this as a dick debartolo who's are gives wiz later in the show is also a has been a writer has been every app issue of mad magazine is it going away did i hear there yeah i i saw i think becomes very sad yeah this is my entire adolescence and if it weren't for mad magazine i don't think dad jokes it'd be around so 'cause all the dads read mad that eggs in the day had just great yeah dad from mad the dead so a you've been answering the phone yeah as his you want have you come up with somebody i should sure martin in santa barbara i wonder if he felt the earthquake oh i dunno did he feel their big peewee was a what did you feel you earthquake damian he he said i sure did yeah yeah yeah right yeah i had my son is in the valley right now here he felt like he is tracy in modesto well it's mental retail i hope everybody's okay everybody in our listening audience hope you're all all right and survive that's a that's a strong earthquake seven point one huge are a the last earthquake in san francisco the loma prieta quake in eighty nine is only six point nine seven one a lot stronger yesterday although the great san francisco quake of nineteen o six i think they estimated that was about seven point four oh really yeah okay yeah well that one did a license quake or for yeah there you go you know it's logarithmic scale right let me talk to martin thank you kim martin's leo laporte detect guy hello hello how are you martin in santa barbara yes i did feel earthquake i wouldn't run it out in my backyard isn't it funny how a i i don't know about you but i you know were were prepared for this and california we do all earthquake safety stuff but they they go sometimes his years between the earthquakes last earthquake i'm supposed to be prepared and everything it's the middle of the night i jumped out of bed i basically just run around in circles going earthquake earthquake earthquake didn't do any of the things you're supposed to do although they keep changing the rules i thought you were supposed to get another door now i i hear you're not that's correct yeah i guess i better look up the rules before we get another one what can i do for you i'm martin well i i got an email from microsoft saying that that that'd be the end of the year they're gonna stop a providing backup or a seven when yeah yup yup and that's what i've got and i wanna know what that's gonna mean so funny martin i just wrote an article nickel about this a little column about this cause january fourteenth all operating systems do come to the end of life at some point the company says okay well you know it's time to get a new version of windows and it's been more than ten years for windows seven so it's the normal end of life what that means is and it's really a big deal you may remember this happened to windows xp little while ago and then windows vista little while after that that means they're not gonna send out updates including security patches that is the big deal because by now windows seven it's been around long enough it's it's pretty well patched is pretty secure it's pretty reliable right you like it obviously you're still using it really was i think the best version of windows ever but at some point they just say yeah well you should upgrade so here's you choice you can keep using it nothing's gonna stop working but it will become increasingly less safe to use it on the internet right as time goes by and eventually shelly somebody's gonna find a bad flawed windows seven then microsoft knocking patch and then you really you know you'll be running ariss just going out on the internet not even you don't even go to a bad site you know just just by sitting on the internet internet so that's problem number one be other problem is it browsers and other software will stop working after a while you know this happened with xp we know because it happened with xp chrome internet explorer firefox sales stopped updating it later then microsoft but but eventually stopped updating so that means you won't be using up today browser which means web sites will start cutting not working as well so you have a couple of choices you could take that machine if you like you're machine and it's got you know it's fast and stuff you could upgrade windows ten did you ever upgrading the windows ten when they were offering free a couple of years ago yes i did my my daughter did they upgrade for me and i put up with the first week i didn't like it at all well that's that's really good news actually cause so at the time they could they let you roll back so you roll back to win a seven but you can now for free upgrade to windows ten and that's probably the right thing to do at this point okay in just they just learn deliberate yeah it's you know i think you'll find is pretty close to windows seven there's there's some the menu looks different stuff but you could make that look more like windows seven you could turn off cortana the voice assistant i never used that you could make it more and more like windows seven there's a few other things but it is more up to date it's probably more secure and going forward it definitely it'd be more secure a any other thing about windows ten that i like is it microsoft says this is the last version of windows they're not gonna do it windows eleven they're not gonna make you do go through this again they're just once you install windows ten and you could install it on top of your windows seven you'll just get up they are in any updates will keep coming and they'll never turn them off well never ever in computer years whatever that it's but it's not it's unlike previous versions of windows microsoft has decided quite rightly there's no point in spending a lot of energy and windows anymore so they're gonna they're just gonna say this is it you don't have to buy windows does anymore you you've done your time if you if you never did the windows ten upgrade then you could buy it it's a hundred thirty nine dollars i don't know if that's a great idea but you could do that you could go out and get a new computer which would come with windows ten so if you're if you have a windows seven computers peter's feeling old and slow maybe a new computer spruce things up and then there's always linex there's always the free operating system if you if you have some technical chops you could put that on your machine but since you did ten i'd say just upgrade yeah it's kind of out you're lucky you're lucky you're you're you're a daughter did that cause that you got an extra five years windows seven and now you gotta ten i think he won't mind it i think you'll be i mean you're stuck with it you don't have a choice i all right thanks martin thank you my pleasure take care it's funny i i just wrote a column on that when i go into to but it is the case according paul throughout that if you have hp windows seven serial number you may be able to upgrade to windows ten free still even if you didn't take advantage of the free offer problem with that is that that you're gonna wanna backup all your data in case it doesn't work and home theater geek contributor tech high dot com scott wilkinson joins us now to talk home theater in in and and i've just learned a disturbing detail so were you in reviews of sound bars i've just finished a review of the lg sl eight why ge sound bar which has dolby at most so it's got up firing speakers is well is front firing speaker will be at most channels go up to the ceiling and reflect and come back down 'em i was i was concerned cerned i was bummed actually that this sound bar which list prices eight hundred dollars comes with a sub woofer and it's called a three point one point to sound bar so it's got to overhead channels frapp most but it only has one h dm my input an i was concerned i said wait a second what if you have more than one hd on my source device which many many people do you might have a well wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute hold on wait a minute yeah do you have an h gm i out but then goes oh yeah yeah absolutely so the sound bar once you pass through it to the tv correct well i've never done it that way i've always had a navy receiver seaver but if you didn't you could the tv has multiple a inputs ac mine so you put your stuff and you tv and then the tv is optical out and all sound bars i've ever seen comes with optical in this one and that makes sense because that's you're tv first and then it's enzi extra audio out to the sound bar on tv even the tv remote zero set up to like do it that way that's correct however be optical output from the tv is ltd it cannot not for example send dolby atmos adobe at most bits dream to the sound bar no it can't be only thing that'll carry adobe at most bits dream is html i so if you want to have adobe at most signal you have descended from the source to the sound bar v hd am i and then from the sound bar to the tv v hd am i now you wait wait a minute away hold on okay okay and that seems so i've and i've recommended i've always said a here now this disease this the food there'll be five one come through the yes oh dolby so it's just it's up fire most stuff that does it's it's it's just atmos an an other a a non a non compressed non laci compressed stuff so what is it that the optical bits dream doesn't have enough bandwidth to pet rat most oh who knew 'cause it's just bad i know it's just it's a little so i thought well it's digital age demise digital i thought they optical would have the same carrying a matter of bandwidth well that stinks it does not that i know that most but that's thanks if you have at most sound bar don't you wanna take advantage of it yeah but i don't i have a but i do have a five one sound bar i have one of those sonos december so you could that'll work that does work yes now here's another here's another solution as you say a lot of people when they have a sound bar they connect their source devices to the tv which has multiple hd on my inputs an optical to the sound bar but if you want adobe atmos say go the sound bar you could connect and hd my cable from one of the tv's inputs if the tv support something called audio return shot or they are ready right you connect that one of those inputs from the tv that supports that to the sound bars hd am i out which is weird oh you can't put it on input no goes out so so but it will learn to it in the world work 'cause i hd my cable can handle as much data as at most needs as that most steve kerr okay in an even if i have other inputs on the tv they are see channel will return whatever audio it's playing back down sumo beliefs into their input a reality how good of the sound or end sound bar manufacturers aware of this conundrum obviously will say oh i see at most audio coming in here i guess i better play that correct correct we leads the army radar optical bandwith it's ridiculous yeah well i you know that's a very well established format i don't think it's gonna change anything i'm pretty old i mean somebody the chairman says go goes back to the cd days yeah you're right through so it that they thought well would ever need more data that my argument is this the sound bar if you're using the sound bar you're not using a navy receiver if you're gonna use the sound bar but the sound bar serving more or less the same function you know and so therefore because maybe receiver's is actually you're edge dm ice which if you have one so the sound bar should be one to so at least at these high prices you should have multiple triple h in my inputs tier sound bar that make so much sense well maybe is their only thing it doesn't make sense is you're going from the tv to the output on the sound bar but i put on the tv the output of the summer by if you're going from input on tv tonight output on the arms reading it standing it's updated in the wrong direction but let me ask you but let me ask you a is there any townside that besides the weird logic of it well it it it it occupies one it occupies one hd my input every tv but you can't just heard burn input because you're using it as an output and i do all tv's heavy rc know most most modern ones do but what about legacy tv's they don't so that doesn't work if you have a tv that's older then a few years old see i never liked that most i love it i think in a way of firing speakers oh no it's great now this one so that's why maybe a most sound bar maybe it's not gonna be the best that most anyway if you really if you care that much get it at most system without firing speakers and right i i agree with that that's gonna be better solution no question about it but what if you have a space limitation yeah or a puzzle except inspector limitation you don't wanna have upward firing speakers in the first well a lot of even a even a separate at most system many of them have up firing speaker yeah yeah hey i gotta i gotta question for you did you look at the lg page for that a sound bar yeah on the website drafting anything odd about it they have it hanging onto the tv with upward firing speakers point is if you look at the website where they got some photographer obviously they know how work man then so it's actually misleading because it makes it look like you could hang it that way under the tv and obviously if this is why you the speakers they're supposed to fire you were firing at the floor yeah yeah yeah no that's very bad so let's just make this clear anybody if you wanna used in that most dolby at most sound bar with says upward firing speakers you could use it a five point one mode with optical cable but if you wanna get full that most you have to have an hd either you have a receiver in which case you'd have to worry about it you have a navy receiver and you pass it i didn't realize it you passive through the soundboard of the tv that's weird or if you don't have a navy receiver and you have enough you have an hr see channel on your tv a h gm itis label rc audio return channel and you have enough inputs you could plug everything into you're tv and heavy output of they they are c hd am i going into actually's input heavy ace indie what have you learned eighty two output of the of the sound bar which makes no sense but works yeah correct setter if manufacturers would put multiple html inputs on their on their at most sound bars athletes yeah but this work and you don't have any sink issues or anything like that a generally not scott wilkinson he's a contributor tech high dot com he joins us every week to explain the wild and wacky world while leo laporte more calls rafter let's see mike tyson's in the chat room hey mike a emphasis on can yes is this an end this whole thing about are air sea a yes it it's whatever every tv supports it may not send dolby out most back out of rc i it that is a question i did find out recently that more tv's then i thought consent five point one v a optical in the olden days a optical output from a tv as often as not maybe more often than not only sent to channel a slow it down mixed five point one to to channel and sent that out now days courting the art things dot com which has a great table on this up i think virtually all of the tv's they reviewed a in the last year or so let me see here it is 'em yeah i guess it was last year and five point one dolby digital v a r c n v optical is well a all of them consent five point one but not all of the consent five point window be digital not all of them consent dps five point one b optical but most of them can 'em inherit looking in fact at dolby atmos a v a n true hdtv eat arc a which is x enhanced hey rc most of them cannot even that so that's unfortunate should've mentioned that sorry that i didn't 'em mars where am i have not tried low caste yet i heard about that a on a podcast i was on last week and haven't tried it yet so i'm gonna have to try that 'em yes coasted mr that's exactly right five point one over optical will never be hi rez that is lost lists or l p c m a doodle limitation tussling transceiver not enough bandwith precise 'em let's see yes i got yes loquacious i finally got new equipment from twit i have 'em be focused right scarlet so low i believe it's called scarlet soto yes 'em which seems to have solved my a delay problem at least to some extent lip sync at issue doesn't look like it's a hundred percent in fact it looks definitely not like it's honored percent but it's a whole heck of a lot better than than it used to be so there is that a mike one says there'll be at most is a loss of lives compression it can be but it doesn't have to be it could actually also be dolby digital plus which is say laci compression a which takes less bandwith but more then dolby digital regular adobe digital thank you loquacious i'm glad it's a close enough looks 'perfect on the youtube stream oh i'm glad to hear that mike i said not a hundred percent but not as bad as before yeah that's that's a good thing so i've only got about thirty seconds left but i'm happy to stick around for the top of the hour a tim allen will sound bar replace her home stereo for music not as good better than listening on something super cheap but not as good as a as real speaker that scott i'll talk again in ten minutes you that all right thank you sir leo laporte the tech guy eighty eight eighty eight ask leo back to the phones we go here let's see line for doug in in city this california dog i'm great how are you doing fine my goodness john are you a solution a steal my thing yeah i'm gonna need one because news on g a three d tv only has a couple of inputs who i've got a splitter and i went to be mentioned you mentioned best buy is that where you bb's dance more fast fine yes something like that something that's just that's pretty good free splitter that's finale express yeah and and hd one live four k ultra hd splitter lights on it all that sorry guys bucks how much free shipping that's 'cause you're buying direct from china prices right maybe it works it works does everything i needed to do there you go so what do you think scott splitter well it's should be good i don't see why not i would it would it work paramus up presumably yeah presumably i mean i was thinking is yeah there you go i was thinking it'd be better to get an hd amies witcher sound bar so you so what is the difference in his switcher in a splitter us us switcher takes multiple inputs and lets you select which one goes to be out oh you gotta switch roofer or dollars pretty damn good as long as we're brave to buy stuff though alibaba doug when you're going ali baba and you you ever look at the shipping shelly expressway ever look at the shipping it's the same it's all about you ever look at the shifting and it'll say you'll get this in ninety days and then you get but then you get a few days i think they i think they liked the under promising and over deliver varying yeah they don't i you know because it's shipping from china and they don't know what the customs scituate you know situationally they they literally if you look at the shipping times on on ali express their crazy and that may discourage people but almost always comes faster but looking at it says hd much which rena one four k ultra hd and then as a little light tells you which is selected minutes good input one two three and whichever one is currently is what a switch to you don't have to push buttons one with the remote i think a lot of dollars because it's made by we slave labor paper you understand a lot of you automatically switch depending on which was which included act is is that how it works now yeah what they call an active switcher right plus ready player and i get so many times i've always had trouble with active switch is not noticing the change maybe they've got one of those yeah now the you you went i never spent the big bucks like you four dollar one dollar one maybe i should just h m i went to work so doug thank you say the woman i appreciate appreciate doug have you been getting a lot of work ever since you're on the show a couple of weeks ago and none yup the power of the tech guy show again at eighty two listeners thirteen countries would you please tell us the website three thousand two hundred inch he does a great good news podcast tell us listen to the good news podcast let's speak oh i thought it was only good news it's offbeat news show don't put 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this is fourteen feet okay fourteen there you go that's magic magic jack to wow magic many years ago yeah yeah that's a voice over internet thank you dwi thank you have a good one i i noticed when i talked to my my voice i tried it and thank you scott so yes it's been great talking to you jose california hello jose and a a i have a question about adobe analytics in its description method and so much you know it is it's really needed to create a pitching i know yeah that's how nobody wants to do and i don't like it one cotton picking bit but they don't sell a the traditional boxed versions of their software you have to you have to pay the monthly fee i mean yeah it's very easy this is this is where everybody he wants to go at some point is to a subscription even at even microsoft you noticed with their office they still sell off as outright but it's hundreds of dollars or you could pay whatever nine dollars a month and a and get a cheaper and then that way they get paid every month so yeah i don't think there's any well let me see let me let me look here 'cause i unless i'm wrong no maybe i'll take it back they looks like they do sell what they call perpetual licenses 'em so you get photo shopped oh no annual plan no annual plan nope i mean you could pay two hundred thirty nine dollars inhabit free year but you're gonna have to pay again next year if you wanna keep using it wow i thought i it's it's a it's it bothers me i agree with you so here's what i'm gonna recommend commend are are you oughta you're you're photographers that we use it for a year there's a company called sky lum s k y l u m that makes i think very good software for photos this guy they have alumina are which is their equivalent of adobe light room they have a roar which is in hdr program and they sell perpetual licenses for like sixty bucks it's much less expensive so a and i think it's everybody's good so i would take a look at those let me just i'm i'm looking yeah they do have perpetual licenses for some products let me let me look and see which products created a yeah no they want you to subscribe there'll be once you subscribe go skyla s k y l u m dot com leo laporte detect guy yeah i don't see any cold fusion slash builder photoshop elements access should've mentioned the elements you could do you could do these elements perpetual subscription so i should have mentioned that that see other that's the way to go jose there if you don't need the professional versions they always want a subscriber professional versions but they but the dopey photoshop elements in premiere elements they're under a hundred bucks in there actually almost every bit of the of of the same soffer so that's another way they go yeah a in la and i'm just curious what happens is a nobody like a flexible and nobody a pace that that prescription we'll tell photo shop timmy whatever it stops working if you don't pay so the problem is the professionals who need and want photo shopping light room they're just gonna pay for it they're gonna do the subscription andy that there'll be knows that but that's why there is there are companies like skyline coming along offering one shot pricing because you know and there's also a finnity photo which is very good on the i pat i used pixel made her a photo which is five dollars right now permanent one time only now what other companies doing though which is a little sneaky skyline does this too is they'll have so right now it's it's you know it's a limit are twenty nineteen actress limit three they might do a lemon are for next year and say hey for only forty dollars you got upgrade so in a way they're kind of doing that to everybody wants to do that because suffers a continual cost but i'd i particular i'm mad at there'll be a lot of photographers are mad at adobe because this isn't a great solution all right back we go to the man is he our mystery scott wilkinson scott thank you so very much i'm glad we cleared up that bit about it about what he got a sweatshirt because the difference is the switcher takes multiple ends you let you select one out a splitter takes one in in splits it to multiple out but so you could feed a bunch of different displays and what a what he what he got in the other solution that we didn't get the chance to talk about on the air was an hd of my switcher which complicates see operation one of the system but does provide what i want a i also mentioned in my review of the lg that there aren't many even high end sound bars they'd have multiple in hd my inputs but there are a few one of which is well let's see as i recall it was a well the one i'm remembering his the knock amichi's shock wave believe it or not it's s h o c k w h f f as in frank eat shock wave a pro ssd which is a seven point one point four sound bar it has speakers in the back as well as speed up firing hiring in front firing speakers in the front end the sat out a sub woofer wireless sub woofer i believe it's eight or nine hundred bucks andy lg is eight hundred bucks and it's got like four three or four a hd my input so i like that 'em maverick fifty six is asking don't you think movie theater sound levels were way too loud well yes i do we talk about all the time about taking care of are hearing but movie theaters go overboard with the sound i wonder how high the decibel decibel there are in superhero movies well i've measured quite a few an movie theaters at least the dolby cinemas that i've mostly measured in they they stick to be prescribed level pretty carefully now some of them do go over the prescribe level at in a movie is an average of eighty five d b hey now that and that's also the same as these a osha standard in a workplace average of eighty five deviate over eight hours movies two hours roughly vendors endgame which three but still 'em i still think that's too hot i i find that to be uncomfortably high a an an average of eighty five means that the peaks explosions and so like that those can get up into the hundred and ten hundred and twenty reaching now they're shortlived they don't last very long an really when we're talking about hearing damage were talking about exposure and that is a cumulative effect over the length of time that you're exposed to the south a an i you know so again i measured use most times it's right at eighty five they are just right there in average over the whole movie a i have measured as high as eighty nine even ninety and that's really really loud 'em but they do i for the most part they try to keep within these legal limit or the prescribe limit 'em but it's still way too loud for in my opinion it should be lower than that but it's not an there's probably nothing anybody can do about it speaking of volume i meant to tell a leo that a next next next week next saturday i will have returned from tomorrow in fact i'm flying to vegas to attend v aerosmith residency at the park m g m a so aerosmith smith has has a long gig there now like many artists have i've done there's is called deuces are wild and they're undoubtedly gonna play all their all their hits and all that stuff the interesting thing about this concert and the reason that i'm going is that they they offer a special experience for vip's i forget i don't know how many i'll find out when i'm there but i'm gonna be in that section everybody in that section gets a pair of in year monitors from a company called one more an you listen to the concert with in air monitors and you can control your own volume a an i've heard you can switch between the main mix i guess the front of house mix the main pva mix or steven tyler's monitor mix you can listen to what steven tyler is listening to as he's performing a so end and again you control your own volume which i think is really a so the question for me really is even with good with a good seal in you're in near monitors and believe me i'm gonna take my own ear tips to make sure i get a good seal a how much sound sound is is leaking in from the outside in the other question related question is this out loud is it out in they plebe section not the non vip section where they're just listening to house ph system i'm gonna take some time and take my measuring equipment out into the house i'm told i could do that and measure the sound levels in the main house and see see where they're at but aerosmith i mean that's they've they've gotta be really loud i mean it's allowed rock band and i can't imagine them saying oh well and are vegas residency will turn it down i sort of don't i sort of don't think that they're gonna do that so it's gonna be very interesting and i'm gonna report about it next saturday day on the show here because i don't think i've ever heard of a concert where they gave you a pair of near monitors to listen to the concert on not only that the vip section is like within feet of the band i've seen photos of of you know fan members of the people in the vip section you know just feet away from steven tyler so it's gonna be a very interesting experience so i'm i'm really looking forward to it i'm also gonna ride it up on tech high so so you'll be able to read about it there too and that'll be posted before next saturday so should be should be very interesting a web ninety five fifty four only got a minute a firm what little i know of sound db decibel is always measured against a baseline what's the baseline sound but it's compared to if that makes sense it does make sense and in most cases you are exactly correct desa bells are nothing more than a comparison of two values so it's always almost always relative now in the case of decibel db spl sound pressure level that which we are concerned about in terms of of hearing safety is measured against a level that has been determined to be a basically they threshold of what humans can here and that's after a wide sampling of a bunch of people how how quiet gonna get before you can't hear it anymore and then that average is what's called zero dbs yeah and then it goes up from there and so when you get two hundred and twenty you get to the pressure under thirtieth the pressure all the pain all right guys enjoy joy the threshold of pain hey hey hey how are you today leo laporte here the tech guy time talk computers and the internet home theater digital photography smartphones smart watches all that stuff stuff that's the geek show eighty eight eighty eight ask leo the phone number eight eight eight two seven five five three six toll free from anywhere in the usa or canada eighty eight eighty eight ask leo website is tech guy labs dot com we we have some nice people in the studio some honeymooners it's a little bit weird but stevie a new year new isaac was a geek when you marry them safely in isaiah care here from brisbane australia on their honeymoon and then i said were here for three and a half weeks this is the only thing i wanna do so stevie league it's the rest of the the rest of the three and a half weeks it's great also frederico go visiting from los angeles great to have you all a time to get back to the phones so get lots of calls charlie in san diego's next i charlie hey how you doing i'm great how are you okay k have a little problem with my a surface pro six i became a seeker looking for you know oh yeah and i applied it i downloaded from microsoft only applied it and now all i get is they black screen with the windows logo in spending circles dot ironically reboot ironic first of all you shouldn't have it'd be a seeker because you have a microsoft product you'd think they'd be the first to get the update nineteen o three is the latest just version of windows microsoft has a kind of foolishly i think decided to release updates to windows ten remember i was saying earlier in the show the windows ten is the last version of windows they're just gonna stick with ten in every twice a year they're gonna do feature updates and of course monthly they'll do bug updates and security fixes in nineteen oh three is see current feature update scheduled for march twenty nineteen get it nineteen o three which means it came out in may and here we are in july he says he's a seeker and that's the term microsoft hughes's when you go out and look for updates they say oh well you saw it you must have wanted it so we're gonna give it to you although they are saying nineteen o three should come everybody by now 'em it did the check and it said you're machine is capable oh yeah you're on a surface you're in a microsoft product that's the first thing they test with so yeah i'm surprised you didn't get a little earlier earlier i also a it's it's unfortunate i'm most as far as i know they're very few problems with ninety three but sounds like you fat but you're the one i shouldn't laugh like google to see how how did get the machine could we start talking about turning on and off three times and those are key but none of that senior those were all old well are windows are should work did not did not do that the recovery mode you're getting a black a black swan black screen black screen with the windows logo and underneath and it's got the little spinning made it just spins and it's been it's been it's it's been spinning or twelve increased yeah that's probably enough time to install so that's what it sounds like it's stuck together to restart a how important is the data on your machine totally unimportant show good news and then this is an easy thing they fix you'll wanna go to another machine and download a microsoft calls it the windows media creation tool edit it will actually put windows ten nineteen oh three on h u s b a drive and then you'll just boop boop to that you're certain did you get a surface has doesn't have a lot of ports right i'm i have the surface go i can't remember the surface pro has got a it's got it does okay so you could boot you you might have to a you know a tell it to boot to the u s b dr probably not but if you if it doesn't if his kids tend to submit to the hard drive you off the say none in a booth to the u s b direct and then just reinstall windows this isn't a bad thing they do if you don't have anything yeah they're working on it yeah there will there will be an option during the media installation is say don't don't touch my data and so you may even be able to fix it without having any changes at all but that's why ask 'cause there's always the risk you might lose data so this you probably won't yeah machine i have is a mac windows cree yes yes you can come and they will explain how to make a blue wsb key that's a good thing they have any way everybody who has a computer should have recovery media you sp stick so the you couldn't fix it if something like this happens and i should say this is not typical nineteen o three is been very reliable but i've always like in this kind of big upgrade to a new operating system to the equivalent of you know how the magicians will pull the table cloth off from under oath all the china in the glasses and everything without upsetting any of that stuff that you're doing you're taking the tape of what's out there putting in a new tablecloth in in in sometimes china breaks you know what i mean this is a that is a big deal upgraded operating system significantly a while it's running in as most of the time it works this time apparently didn't does it should work absolutely where the surface pro that's not that's that's absolutely gonna work yeah okay i'll give it a try okay sorry this happened yeah i don't i think honestly i am a i see no reason to upgrade in nineteen oh three except that this is part of the deal with windows ten unless you're a business you you're kind of required to upgrade it's part of the deal you could put it off for a month but eventually after upgrade i put it off as long as you can on these big upgrade you wanna do the monthly bug fixes the patch to stay update you wanna do those right away 'cause they're affected announcement the bad guys hey we've got a problem houston we've got a problem in the bad guys who say well let's see what that is what could we you know comey attack but they but the feature update these twice yearly feature updates last one was eighteen o nine september twenty eighteen this is nineteen o three there will apparently be a nineteen o nine or something like it they're actually calling it now because they realize they never come out the month they thought they would so they they're now calling it nineteen h two for the year twenty nineteen second half an there have already been testing the first half of twenty twenty in the good news who's the really good news is a microsoft has said you know this next one is not gonna have a lot of new features we're just gonna try to make everything work better hankyu lot of us have said you don't need to do to big updates a year one microsoft 'cause they've had a lot of problems they would just do one and really make sure it works for everybody before you release it in just a little thought if you're out there looking for a computer on this fine weekend windows is probably not the computer you're looking for to be honest i think if you have a ninety department windows is a great choice if you're a gamer immer you and you you you need windows okay if you know you're program you wanna use needs windows okay it won't run anywhere else but honestly real people shouldn't be running windows that's where people within ity department i mean i'm increasingly of this opinion there is there is but one true operating system in the world this is gonna be controversial and i know people are gonna be upset and they're gonna email me here and call me but it's true she might as well just get over it the one true new operating system in the world is unix in any operating there's really unix and and then there's one other options is windows everything else is running on unix or flavor of unix lennox is a flavor of unix knicks android is a flavor of unix chrome o s the chrome books running on unix they're running on lenox but it's a flavor of unix mac o s is a flavor of unix it's it's running on a on top of unix the only operating system that's not in this family is windows and it shows it to be honest it is it is operating systems are very simple thing they're not complicated they shouldn't be complicated good unix it's been around since nineteen sixty nine fifty sixty years sixty years edits really well understood in microsoft did this crazy thing where they said you know we could make money selling bits nobody really done this before we could make money selling bits so let's do that making operating system sell it it's never worked very well ever ever ever ever just my opinion but i think if you're gonna get a new computer it'd be worth looking at chrome chrome oes unless you neither you know real general purpose operating system then look at lenox or look at meko west i think it's time to say and i think even microsoft is acknowledging this type of say goodbye to witness that kind of mistake of all suffered enough thank you very much eighty eight eighty eight ask leo that's the phone number we're gonna get back the phones and we will talk will be back with more of our show just a bit but i just wanna make a little plead to all of you who listen to this podcast we put a lot of effort into it it takes a team of host producers editors engineers and and support staff together content out we're free were ad supported but the easiest thing you can do to help support us in are efforts at twit subscribing subscribe to this podcast in any of the trip podcasts you listen to regularly you could do it in any of you're podcast programs or just go twit dot tv slash subscribe will tell you how to do it thank you for your support and now on with the show leo laporte the tech guy eighty eight eighty eight ask ask leo line three albert in vegas do you feel the big shaker albert well let me tell you know speaker alone yeah sure some young yup you sat exactly the same what can i do for you know how you're saying when you travel overseas europe in that a ghetto overseas card actually i yeah that's not normally my recommendation anyway go ahead well anyway i was over there remain in couldn't get nonsense bought me a sim card and were there for twenty five dollars prepaid no big deal in clinton still couldn't get nelson's said screw it i'm just gonna burn off i t mobile oh god t mobile's fine 'cause they don't charge extra for overseas that's actually my recommendation yeah yeah and then i then i did it i had my nine gigs in almost three hundred units were great doesn't it yeah totally surprised when i go that's my recommendation actually a it's so team mobile is doesn't offer you full speed but it's usable it may be enough especially since why fi is very common everywhere you know you're hotel and coffee shops 'em these other one that's good is google fi which runs on the t mobile network when you're overseas and that is full speed so i that's what i care with me as a team mobile phone in google fi from when i travel overseas you can pay nowadays most companies eighteen tiv arise and charge attend a roughly ten dollars a day a for some limited amount of data that adds up but it's better than it used to be and that's again because of t mobile at the team mobile competing in this a i think varieties and use the charge a huge dramatic you buy two and fifteen megabytes of data for like a hundred bucks some crazy terrible deal but we all used data all the time and when you're traveling overseas it's really nice to have a smartphone with eight i'll give you a couple of scenarios you leave though tell you go out and do some sightseeing you look around there is no cabs you have no idea where you are if you have data on your phone file at fire up google maps and you say take i wanna get i wanna walk back to my hotel how do i do it and you'll have a map you're getting hungry hungry you could get restaurants nearby a you it's really nice and of course text messages in most of these plans are included certainly t mobile civility the instead of doing a phone call home which does still cost a little bit more text messaging usually unlimited free is a great way to stay in touch with the folks at home so i think having a smartphone a as you're out and about overseas is a very good tool t mobile has a you know easily easily the best plan because you just basically it's free a and a if you want higher speed then they'll do that they'll send you a text everyday thing you know you get a pass is get higher speed i never do that i've done a couple of times not much faster so yeah that's a you you've you've on your own figured out the right thing now i do refer people to say when you travel overseas and probably a lot of you are it's this time of year in the northern hemisphere anyway a if you are a planning to leave leave the country go visit google v a site prepaid with data wicky i'd give you the address but it's long increase will put in the show notes but if you just google prepaid with data wicky you'll find a page is maintained by users users that tells you every country in the world whether you know it it's worth getting i wouldn't get sam 'cause that's gonna change her phone number you have a local phone number sometimes i mean it's worth the data's cheap but you could also get a little my fight card one of those a little credit card sized device it gets his data from the mobile network but turns it into why fi which you could have your phone join the kerry that and you're pocket and those are very expensive i used i've used those two but nowadays with t mobile into five were pretty much that were were will set eric orange california leo laporte the tech guy eric user i am well how are you just talked me out of china get that like oh i'm sorry yeah we keep you on hold a long time so that we can hopefully catch you off guard is it anyway i apologize if i were born twins oh congratulations that's exciting so they become addicted to their their baby einstein and sesame street sony and i'm taking them to mexico to joke we typically don't i never wildfires real spotty yes that's very possible is it legal or illegal way to download a a like the baby einstein videos that have a dvd but i've already pay for absolutely ab absolutely okay i don't know if you could just do that or ethical by little mini cd player well here's a couple of things do you have a tablet like and i kind of some kind or anything but microsoft whatever book have so yeah so kids love the tablet say i mean you said newborns gonna be touching anything they just like something to look at and you can download a lot of this stuff netflix lets you download stuff 'em amazon prime i would look and see what streaming services if you already subscribed to have i have i have amazon prime i have netflix and all that so both of those will let you download stuff the baby einstein stuff is on a streaming service though right you have to know yeah we watch it on a on the tv that way but i do have a set of dvd's eight yeah they gave us you have the dvd's it's easy to what we call rips these not from rip off by the way i think it sounds like you're ripping off but you bought these it's merely making a digital hard drive copy of these of the of the media so you don't have to carry those dvd's with you in anybody with kids is doing this there's two programs you'll need one is called hand break in its these you're both free from handbrake dot f r h i n d b we are eight k he like a hand break on a car handbrake fr that is a free ripping utility they called the open source video trance koetter what it does is it actually turns it into bits and you can choose the quality and so fourth of the of the of the streaming content but it will say oh this is a commercial dvd in it will also then save if you wanna be able to rip this commercial v dvd you need something called the video land client or v l c which is that video land dot org between the two of those you could make a copy we'll see how he's been everywhere man he's johnny jet are traveled guru using technology to travel like a rock star johnny jet dot com hey johnny lowly unloading natalie and the little one you've got a baby on the way in another few weeks you may be able to my two year old in the background there's jack how did the family enjoy the earthquake that little right yesterday yeah they didn't really enjoy it too much did you feel like it's it really is fairly distant from los angeles right it's not a hundred and twenty or thirty miles away with a wrong way y'all 'cause we're outside yeah but last night we definitely felt and valley with upstairs resting jack and i were watching tv and all of a sudden i heard the windows rattling just a little bit like that doesn't sound right and then it just hit jack jumped in my arms and i just held him i you know i you know looking back i should have gone right ernie see a dining room table but you know you're cutting earlier you never think of that i just run around in circles guard gregor right yeah so so the good thing about this is that it really gives people say hey well a warm up you know let you practice in in what is your plan and i was watching some of the news and i'd i'd made apps and web sites before in the past but you know if you need a little refresher and so you know when i travel i always wanna know if there is an earthquake or assu nami so i have my phone you know lit up with anything happened so if you are traveling or even fewer home if you're living in southern california or earthquakes it it's a good idea they have these different resources yes at your fingertips yes so what am i gonna end yeah so one is it's nami dot gov so this is a website you go to it and i see i'll i'll put it in the show notes in a tweet out the long it's a long year relatives subscribe to the newsletter okay but you subscribe to it in right away within minutes they'll let you know if there's a so nami warning in effect wherever wherever there's a big earthquake so you'll you'll get emails you know often not not crazy often but you know probably once a week i get on with the information about you know there's no no warning or there is a warning so get the high ground and you really want this if you're if you're traveling somewhere like you know i always think about if i'm in the south pacific and you know down down in fiji or or 'em bind you ought to there's a lot of earthquakes down there popping the guinea so you wanna know this kind of information you want the ring of fire were on the ring of fire right so that's what they're used by the way i should say right now as we record this no sue nami warning advisory watcher threats so good however does record that earthquakes it you you felt in central california last night and then if you click on that actual i'll tell you the messaging which i think you just read but also on twitter i followed new earthquake just called new earthquake in they used the m u s g s and know what as 'em there i guess they just have automatic updates when it happens they just they just tweeted out so you'll be one of the first no if you're not in that area or if you're somewhere nearby but didn't feel like we were on saturday night saturday if you keep thinking ted 'em thursday saturday the holiday because we're outside but i looked at my phone like oh my god there isn't earthquake in there's also the app i really like which is called 'em accu there's two apps one is a new one called shake alert l a's ashley featured it when it first came out i dunno six months ago a year ago but it didn't really work they're supposed to give you a twentysecond hunting yeah people have been promising that for a long time fifteen seconds of warning dispose of give you a but they did not did not work i know a lot of people are giving them a lotta 'em grief today and supposedly they they tweaked it so let's see you know to the next earthquake what works now yeah in another one i like it's called quake feed so this one i m this one actually send you an update right away it's a ninety nine cent year if you don't want the ads on them i have kids i don't care but 'em they will let you know if this nami risk anywhere z alert right that did that it'll pop up in alert although it would be nice if you get some morning but i think it's tough well the shake alert l a's one is suppose it could be a warning of an incident in southern california it didn't work yeah a they say they're they're they're fixing it will see but again if you're traveling somewhere even if you're let's say you're in hawaii and there is a big earthquake in one of the field you'd wanna make that yeah so that's why i like it especially when you're traveling it's really important and 'em you know also make sure you a brush up on what's doing earthquake quake again that is telling my wife do you know what to do and you know i know what to do but i forgot you don't run under george apparently that's what we used to say but that's not as safe as a so you were right get under the table is a good idea peo yard it's qatar eaters it usually have a plan for each room that you're in yeah you could look online earthquake safety another thing i remember after the earthquake in san francisco we were handing out radio station as working for at the time we were handing out little wrenches freer gas line and we said go find out where you're gas line is because of fires are often prompted by broken gaslines so go find out where you're gas cut off his on your home and have that wrench handy so you could turn off the gas if you smell like yeah just in case it yeah i'm not leave me don't listen to my advice because what no i was watching an expert today on the local news and he said listen turn it off if you smell it but if you don't smell it don't turn it off because i know you'll kill you can take it could take days for them to turn it back on right right so in the end the yeah i mean i think this is good water in a a safety i bought a after the nineteen eighty nine quake up here of the loma prieta quake i went out and there are places you go get safety could emergency kits and i got some beautiful ones in a big orange backpacks it put him in a special place if there's an issue a you know get safe and then once you earthquakes over over grab the backpack and go outside and it's got water and food it's got that blankets and all those things you need my only problem is my my teenage son really liked the orange backpacks oh my god so one by one the map out and start you see him for school in the but i didn't realize this until i went in the garage and i looked and there is a pile of earthquake safety supply floor so maybe don't buy the backpack pack ones do i have a big backpack but it is a it's a blue one i think we've got three hundred dollars make their own that could make you're like yeah but you also need one for the car which you know that right i talk about travel i always think about right air but most people traveling by car so you you really need to buy car i mean you really need a free car yes i agree to do research on what you need on that but everything you just listed is what you think about this prepare for it a an end you know earthquakes happened in places maybe they don't expect earthquakes to so the first one my wife felt was in toronto yeah yeah new york city has hundreds of years ago had terrible earthquakes they haven't had one of the few centuries so everybody's forgotten about it but there are fourteen any member of the washington washington monument had a big cracking because of the earthquake self let's not forget the liberty bell no that was something else i'm living a joke and i just joking johnny jet the best way to keep up with johnny is on his website it's really great website johnny jet dot com and there are a number of free newsletters there you 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toughest take care johnny leo laporte detect guy the toughest her dad too busy can't go anywhere no traveling for you are you gonna are you gonna so no i travel a little bit nothing i think you're getting close now man i don't think you should go anywhere yeah there's a couple of commitments i have i speak at a couple of conference i gotta make some money that's right gotta support himself support the fans get operation i gotta be there for that oh yeah but you go quickly right i just gopher yeah i you know the good thing these days you could get a flight within a few hours yeah yeah so pretty much anywhere when you're living in la we're a i guess we last minute we haven't booked is a flight i'm worried about this we gotta go to orlando for the new media expo next month which is the big podcast convention and we decide well last minute but months is not terrible and orlando probably be you don't wanna buy flights so early because there's no incentive for them to give you a discount so at this point we should wait till the day before it went what is it in august yeah nobody nobody wants to orlando in august with kids go back to school is when user on august fifteenth is when the flight start going down because kids are going back yeah i think the podcast movement is a like early i ran into a friend yesterday she said her and they're living a phoenix her daughter's going school they go back to school in august third like yeah that's good fred travelers august thirteenth i'll be flying orlando well the flight there will be more expensive in the flight back yeah and then and then were going down your way into the months bringing the five teenage boys or if you wanna get together and go down the beach maybe a late yeah yeah i think we will get up up each day yeah awesome eastern they stay with us is like two hours with jack yeah there's plenty of time his cause after two hours of chasing him around the beach lots of friends oh yeah yeah thank you sir have a wonderful afternoon do something fun with the the lady you worry all right take care of by leo laporte the tech guy eighty eight eighty eight ask leo back to the phones line to fill reno nevada halo feel good afternoon how are you sir i am well how are you feel you know i am just peachy keen thank you very much good for you a quick note something people need keeping their emergency kit it may not be a being overlooked by millennials is have a real radio in there oh yeah they don't even know what the radio i think i have one of those c crane crank radios crank up so if you don't have power you can give it enough power in it and yeah get dm radio band 'cause that's worthy emergency information will be i completely agree with you just thought yeah well as a radio guy i appreciate that food bank here i am at my wit's end here i recently took a stuck my telling the apple pool and i got myself into and ipad air to nice and and i pay the extra money to get the sixty four gigabyte version so i could put a lot of stuff in there and have it on hand right the problem i'm running into is how do i stuff things into my pet i've tried plugging it into my computer and it will recognize it's there but i can't move and he filed monday otherwise yeah and enjoy that blood yeah so apple in it's infinite wisdom one thing i understand about apple is they're very opinionated about how you might used devices like this end they've decided i i don't think incorrectly play but this is a but i may not like it but this is probably accurate but the best thing to do is just tell people how it's gonna end not give him too much leeway to get in trouble so one of the things they did with he i pad is they really didn't give you access to the file system you can't really even though you know it's a computer with an operating system has files it's a storage device but they hide it from you they even have a file that but it won't show you the files of a exactly won't let you browse around on the hard drive it'll just say well you have some documents and pages you have some documents and numbers he does it by app and that's really the key ideas the apple manage its own files in for security no third app will be able to see the files of any other app an that's for security but it's also for simplicity they are starting to break away from that the new i pad pros in the new i paddle west which will come out in september although you could get a beta of it now and i have been using it do let you attach are you sp harddrive the u s b seaport copy files to and from so that's very exciting but but you can't do with their air to and and you'll never be able to hear so the way you have to do it is through i tunes which by the way is also going away in the fall but they'll have a new way of doing it through the operating system so you connected up with you you speak cable andrea you know you're lightening cable to a to a mac or pc running i tunes and then you can see the files litter on their again same way though by app in copy files what do you wanna put on you're i pat pictures in music just you know the usual kind of stuff nothing oh you have to go with music after go through i tunes so you imported into i tunes and then you'll let i tunes music managed management features copy it to be a i pad movies they have a new app which they're gonna be putting out called t v that'll be designed to do that but until that comes out you also use i tunes from movies so tv shows movies and music a all media files go through i tunes and then you do have a player a on neom on their pet it'll play back to the movies and tv shows but what about pictures i've tried even doing with google drive and that doesn't work pictures if you're unimak you import into photos apples photos app and then synchronize it's a little more complicated on windows because there's no default photo app so you set it up when you set up by two and you say well i'm gonna keep my photos here so again you can't do it by just dragging photos on their now i happen to like google photos in google photos kind of doesn't end around at all this so if you're willing to put google photos on your i pad yeah then you could turn on the feature that any photo i take just put it in google photos just like apple photos apple photo stores at natively but a google photos will do the same thing and then back it up to gives you unlimited unlimited backup of all your photos at that point you could look at it on your pc similarly you could move stuff on your pc in google photos and it will appear on you're i pad and that's done wireless late that see vantage of that yeah okay i'll give that a try so apple watch videos i cloud to do this or or or cable you in other words you use it's it's is it turns out doesn't have to be more complicated but only because you have an expectation based on using computers if no one had ever seen a computer ended understand that there were files there and file systems and all this maybe this wouldn't be is weird and awkward it is very off anyway guess what you need is a computer to do it which is i'm old school i've been using computer since apple to plug yeah big thing yeah so that's why it's confusing because you know there's files on that drive you know as a file system yes it's hidden from you you're not allowed access and they're just means that farmers they know how it should be and they don't a broke any dissent it's it's kind of a totalitarian state in apple land and but some people like it right they prefer it because they don't wanna have to think about it they just want it to work problem when you get these edge cases where it doesn't work then it's hard i do appreciate you turn pleasure yeah thank you for calling i always relish any opportunity to iraq on apple and i love apple i use max and i use a i'm and i'm sitting here having i pad and all that but 'em those of us who understand what's going on under the hood can sometimes be rankled because we go wait a minute apple just let me access it and the good news is i think with i had west and the next generation i pass i think we're gonna finally get cracking you would hope so one hour from now a mad magazine's dictate bartolo will join us he of course usually joins us with the gives more gadget he argues this week no gives more gadget 'cause i wanna talk to him about what's happening to mad magazine is at the end of the line that's coming up in our meanwhile stan saint louis missouri hello stan highly oh thank you very very so much for taking my call and everything you do a measure things were homer oh yeah no problem up i also love the music variety a there's enough time to listen no i think we've that he is in charge of are bumper music and he does a dynamite job yeah oh it's it's marvelous stuff i love the variety thank you i i got a compliment complaint and some comments okay well you got one minute so let's start with well you start with whatever you why not a three of the four years you've been very a both complementary uncritical links and be a state that's really appreciate it i'm a big fan yeah i really am and that you heard me say i think that's the one unix and it's flavors flavors which links are the is the one true operating system and there's just no reason to go anywhere else right a complete is you don't often enough recommend using spin right when troubleshooting system my friend steve gibson agrees g r e dot com your reason is it's a ninety bucks and you could buy a new by four terabyte hard drive ninety bucks it other than windows seven with only saw where i've i've bought in the last twenty years nice yeah i'm gonna have to run hang on with the comments that will get the comments after we take a break leo laporte the tech guy don't forget more calls coming up eighty eight eighty eight ask leo the website it's free tech guy labs dot com i'm getting a real close to put in open vsd on what am i think pets that that's the real one true unix yeah so what comments okay i'm i'm seventy one years old vice president of the saint louis unix users group oh nice how long how long has that been around oh since a we've been meeting continuously sense i think nineteen nineties no further back ninety six like i lost record's so i don't know the amazing and you've been a member of the of the user group that whole time yes well i retired from the army is the information a chief and a went looking for email and and they were shutting up a computer and the first guy to write a check the nice thing they call it they call a slug yes l u g dot org swag i love it yeah and i wish there in saint louis i would go to every meeting i love that we have a calendar on are group where we list all the technical face to face meetings in saint louis area and they averages between a hundred and fifty two hundred and seventy meetings face to face every month business great any think it's fair of me i think it's fair to call linex android even chroma west those are unix is their positive compliant unix yes i i have my preferences and in prejudices a which which do you use whether you like i you say linex meant that tape because i think it's the best newcomers we have a lot of seniors one man they running a windows xp steel what our windows seven you know this is an interesting question because i was just writing a column for the day or pc magazine and i thought 'cause you know one of the question i'm answering is what do i do in january windows seven runs and i really wanna say put lennox on there but i i'm nervous about recommending it so i think i said if you're technically sophisticated and upfront challenge but it isn't really that hard you don't my favorite is right now stan a is papa western system seventy six i've been reading about that watching it they've made they've polished a lot of heart edges off and it really is easy to install it's really good i i recommend lennox meant and that tape on and then booth to not pay yup people mad taes nice and lightweight a desktop manager an endowment in a boon to her all kind of flavors of debbie in men's based on a boon to open who's based on debbie in populates is also based on a boon to but the guys at at system seventysix sell linex based computers so they've really they've got the they got the invidia dry all the non free drivers you need for the invidia fraud and it's just beautiful it's very sweet i've i've got a pdf of a beginner help help the file on my website is website linked to a whole bunch of helpful sites and so forth what you're website stan a about where www dot s eleo lunch on the flood waters slug site okay and that instead of the www you put an e w lug in front of that slight a dodge slug dot org and that goes through the linic site definitely good the user group okay yeah i chair the the nukem that newcomer log a we also i also hosts say a lennox configuration workshop that we hold with the saint louis area computer club what a great idea i would this we you're preaching to the choir with me this is something we gotta get people to start using i agree a hundred percent i i read a magazine years ago and it had an article said a gopher the great grandparents running lennox the a lot more secure they're gonna love it so there's a wonderful book said i just i'd forgotten about i just start rooting against its twentieth anniversary from neil stevens says one of my favorite authors in the beginning was the command man line have you ever read then i redid it like every thought for five years isn't that the greatest book i forgot how great that was yes that and i write a review riley the cia them book to how many max guy but i like them a lot yeah i understand that when no no religious squabble here though you know only reason i easy max 'cause i like list and it's just a beautiful a beautiful way right list i wish i'd start out with a list because i know it all beautiful i i grew in my brain with basic like most of us i did too yeah bad way to start little did i know then see assembler yeah and i got it all messed up but i'm relearning i starting from scratch with lesbian i feel a much better now i've got two final comments yes sir it's what number one my friend carl says it's hard to sell free software yeah yeah last is watch out for the motorcycles i've got a nephew in hospitals nine we ono and my brother wrecked his his sites or yeah i date and they just let him out yesterday i think he's a fourth of july oh he had seven broken ribs but my nephew you can't even walk yet i league rain okay folks is brain okay oh yeah he he's starting to move got and everything it's it's it's a slow comeback he is trying to avoid a deer angering wound up in ditch overnight before they even foul for flood to be here oh man oh yeah they're fun to ride but boyer they dangerous oh yeah i gave up a doing that when i went through a barbed wire fence younger when younger and i keep telling my younger brother don't let me get on one of those you know there's so much fun it's like you're flying you feel like you're flying but it's just you are flying without without a net and the high both days up the motorcycle but i wasn't smart enough that stay off of a four wheelers i broke a shoulder oh man well that's 'cause you know if you leave in saint louis you gotta do that stuff yeah hey stand it is a real pleasure to talk to you thank you for keeping slug going that's awesome yeah and i've they newcomer group is been leading sense tier two thousand and we were a little bell before then as they unix group 'em i think that's so great that's great i i you know they always mockus saying oh yeah this is the year of linex and the desktop but linux now is more widely used in any other operating system in the world thanks to android and i i think that you know you unix this time it's finally come i i've been looking for a quotation i saw years ago some gal at one of this one of them leave a a a meet up or not meet up a a conference is she had a slide show and he said on one of her slides flights and i've been looking for that thing ever since she said usa is gonna be the last country in the world to adopt clinics that's right because of windows that's right that's right a you're already seeing that in china and russia they're not using windows anymore more right yup hey really a pleasure to talk to you stand keep up the good work you're you're doing god's work out there thank you greg thank you sir have a good one well hey hey hey how are you today leo laporte here these tech guy time talk computers the internet home theater digital photography smartphones smart watches all that jazz eighty eight eighty eight ask leo is the phone number eight eight eight eight two seven five five three six toll free from anywhere in the usa western canada everything we talk about is on the website tech guy labs dot com tech guy labs dot com that's free there's no sign up in a charge just wander on in it's wide open the all tech guy labs dot com i'll put a link james if you would put a link up to a book that i mentioned in i i really like a hundred years came out about twenty years ago and i came across an article celebrating its twentieth anniversary and i've been reading a lot of a it's authors other books he's one of the great science fiction authors of are time i mean they neil stephenson andy he wrote a book that i think not only is wonderfully written because he's a great writer it's really more oven essay the book is assembled chicken reason a couple of hours a but it's also i think a very interesting history up to twenty years ago of personal computing andy if you want a better understanding i feel like anybody who's getting in the technology in the last ten years is missing out on kind of some fundamental information about how we got to where we are today in this book is a very good entertaining any easier reid and it might make mindset you teeth on edge 'cause he's he's very opinionated but i think he a i think it's all well thought out it's called in the beginning with the command line and i'll put a link in the show notes you can still buy it on amazon i got the kindle version right way and they i think they're printing more a in the beginning was the command line on amazon by neil stephenson in what a great actor i think there's some i think they're actually you could breathe on line yeah there's pdf's of at georgetown university has a pdf i guess neil a has let thi a copyright labs so there's there's versions of it online you don't even have to buy it i baltic 'cause i wanna support neil in fact even on his website his mom i guess he doesn't have the whole text but the georgetown does so if you want you could just look online i'll put the put the link the amazon on the on the show notes in the beginning was the command line really well written in nineteen ninety nine twenty years ago lines three kevin asheville north carolina hello kevin hey leo hope if you're having a great day i'm having a wonderful day how're you a blessed everyday calm the reason i'm calling you have a friend of mine is a china get away from windows well that's very timely that's we've been talking about all day it seems like yeah oh yeah in fact a letter to talk with us about a withstand about all the different programming language that i'm looking at closure myself i hold down brand new deprogrammed highly recommended which so one of these managers of closure besides the fact that it's true functional language and beautifully written is it writes a either job or javascript so you can write enclosure but you're programs can run anywhere including the web and that's a very powerful tool i highly recommend it yeah good good for you i'll be looking for them doing a closure for the brave in bold is named after the golden drew yes going sure yeah the grandmother one of the greatest programming books ever written very nice book highly relevant nuts yeah a bull in china helped to my friend who is his entire hour flow is based mainly around a pro and old windows program called cad vance oh my i'm wondering is there a a good alternative that functions pretty much the same way in lenox or cannot do they is their way to run that under lennox 'cause i'm trying i'm completely away from windows yeah and that's the only thing that's holding him up yeah and this is you know so what i was talking about earlier was there are reasons why you'd stay with windows if you're a gamer for instance if you use windows at work anywhere within i t department windows isn't such a problem because you've got people manage it for you in the end if there's a program you absolutely need that will only run on windows can advance is is one of these what we call vertical programs is not used by abroad number of people it's used very specifically by architects engineers is he a facilities manager is that what he does he's in engineers engineer throwing using it for designing what a damn not have sent a clear own but he's he does it primarily for designing i know he's helping out back in the early days of the shuttle shuttle with against name wow wired i he hate us so much a wire he he he could work with on that a then he also does a some sort of deal with computers he also a basically 'em redoes speakers and speaker cabinet so when i'm when i'm gonna give you is a very useful website called alternative to dot net in what alternative to its specifically for people like you were saying well i don't wanna use windows anymore but i do need this program what is the alternative to this program on mac pc linex whatever so i if you go alternative to and you put in cash advance and you say i i'm looking for linex version of it it'll show you what's available on lenox a an it also is crowd source who also have reviews which i think is very handy because you what one is people were using it to do the same thing a the he's doing instance i don't know exactly what he's doing but the nice thing about so linex is what we call an open source operating system and that's a little bit of a a misleading name it was invented by a graduate student nineteen ninety two name line is tore faults is an operating system helped thing about operating systems is they're pretty well known all you could you could in theory used a computer with that and operating system people do it all the time but it's nice to have an operating system underneath what you're doing so the the guy who wrote cat advance for instance doesn't have to write additional code for opening files saving files you know browsing the internet things like that so they operating system has functionality that every program or use it's not hard it's not complicated we made it a little bit more complicated with graphical user interfaces those pretty tough but the ideas behind the operating system or not that complicated an an end it ran really well solved back in the eighties and the seventies by unix so linex was written by modest tour volta graduate student nineteen nine to basically one of his own version of something that was unix like he did something very unusual he gave it away he said look i'm not gonna sell this i'm not gonna be a bill gates here and try to make a billion dollars off is i'm gonna give it away i'm gonna keep the name i'm a trademark that so the people you can't just go around calling stuff linex i'll be there been been evident building evelyn dictator for life but i but i'm gonna let other people work on it and the timing was good because that's right about when internet started as you may remember nearly nineties and it made it possible for developers coders all over the world to contribute as a result it also a good timing because the other guy in boston named richard stolman was trying to even wanna pay for there were number of companies charging charging for unix who's tried to duplicate unix and all the unix utilities with with free software he starting something called the free software foundation so a when you get lynn extra getting linus torvald in companies colonel inside guts it's a bit with software from the free software foundation they call it the new the new stanford news not unix program richer so that's what lennox is there many versions of lennox lots of them i have some favorites and so forth but in every case it's it's open source in the sense that a it's it's free could be freely distributed you could modify it you could get the source go modify and you could see what the source because doing there's no hidden features an because it's so popular in so widely used there's lots of people out there turns out programmers in many cases you&#