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"After punting on this tenure decision twice the university of north carolina came back to nicole. Hannah jones a few months back and said let's do this. We'll give you a five year contract with the opportunity to secure tenure later on. This was a compromise. Hannah jones writes about this moment in a statement. She released this week. She said she was crushed. She didn't understand why her tenure hadn't been approved but she wanted to avoid the humiliation of being known as the first night chair at not to get tenure so she she just take the deal. Make the best of it. She signed a contract. But then that whisper campaign against hannah. Jones got louder this spring a conservative website. North carolina published an article about nicole. Hannah jones and i feel like this is when the public starts to get an inkling that something is going wrong here. The article basically makes the argument that nicole. Hannah shouldn't be teaching at unc at all. And it's a travesty that somehow there's been some kind of to get her to teach without the board having their stamp of approval. And this is this is when you get involved because you seem to see that reporting and say there's a story here what you're talking about. I think is publication from james g. Martin center yeah. That's sort of conservative. Think tank in north carolina and it is very easy to pay attention to what the martin centre publishes to pay attention to what is publishing a conservative publication called the carolina journal. There are members of the board of governors and members of the knockout. a general assembly. Who will walk into committee. Rooms with printed out copies of things that were published on the martin sinner website or carolina journal and read them aloud when they're talking policy. Oh you know. This is a very influential group. So when you saw this post you knew it wasn't just like another blog post. It was more than that. Yeah when it reaches that level. There's already something in play the piece that you're referencing. I believe said this is terrible. That they would do this. That they would hire her and the board should prevent it. And here's how and if they're not willing to do it. It says the board of governors who appoint them should replace them or they should take over the process. It was not a subtle article yet not at all it. Put it right out there and frankly as a political reporter. I appreciate that kind of candor. Here it makes my job a lot. Easier joe kellyanne started working. The phone and his story came together pretty quickly. Board members told him. This ten decision was stuck in committee at the behest of republican state lawmakers as that big donor to unc chapel hill. The one with the journalism school named after him. Walter hudson walter husband is a very influential graduate of journalism school himself. He is He's given enormous amount of money to that school and he's very plugged in and conservative circles. I know you interviewed walter. Hussmann what did he say. Video about his role husband has got this very interesting affect you said. He's folksy he's very folksy. It's like talking to mr rogers with a mix of bill clinton. He's like hey. I got i got. I got a note here. You're looking to talk to me. I'm happy to talk to you. Well let me let me lay out for you. What happened here really. What happened is i didn't do anything wrong. I you know. Had some conversations offered my opinion but when when wins up when when is a alum- alumni of the school. Not allowed to do that. And i said well you know most of the school wouldn't have the inside track on who's being hired. They certainly wouldn't have access to the dean the chancellor they wouldn't have the school named after them nicole. Hannah jones is an alum if she called somebody up and said here's i think you should hire. They'd say i'm sorry. Who is this you know. They certainly wouldn't say oh well by your leave it out. You know i had this. I had this very long. You know polite conversation with him. It wasn't hostile in any way wherein he just said. There's nothing wrong with anything i did. I i wasn't lobbying for anything. And i said well. Would you describe to me how you weren't lobbying. And he's like well. All i did was. I had a conversation with the dean. We're gonna try to convince her. This was a bad idea. Then when that didn't work i. I sent up to five emails that i can remember to the chancellor the vice chancellor for charitable giving also to remember the board of trustees. But i wouldn't call that lobbying for an outcome. I wasn't trying to influence their decision. It just sounds like he's deeply divorced from acknowledging his own power. Yeah you know. I find that in my line of work. I find that there are two types of very powerful people powerful people who badly want you to know how powerful they are and then there are people who are very powerful. Who want you to understand that really. They have no power and he's the latter. I would say that. He's the latte in the end. Walter husband's desire to keep nicole. Hannah jones off campus got overwhelmed by public pressure. Local reporting like joe's was being read by unc students including the student body president. Who insisted unc's board finally hold that tenure vote but by the time they did nicole. Hannah jones had seen the chancellor of the university. Stay quiet about the whole saga. He was walking a political line so even though the university did offer her tenure finally she rejected it and instead henna jones took a job at howard university the mecca of hp in the us cited. Well i've decided to decline the offer of tenure. I will not be teaching on the faculty of the university of north carolina chapel hill. They're difficult decision. Not a decision i wanted to make. It's pretty clear that my tenure was not taken up because of political appointees because of discriminatory views against my viewpoint and on my race gender. And let's say should. I think it's important to say here. That nicole hannah jones has spent her whole life as she said herself being asked to fit into white spaces at fence. The second grade. When i being bused into white schools. I've spent my entire life proving that i belonged in elite weiss basis that we're not built for black people and i decided i didn't want to do that anymore. That i i was so brought in by your reporting is that you've really made clear how this controversy over nicole hannah jones. Tenure is really just the latest issue on the unc campus. Both with the boards but then also just in the school itself like in the last few years very recently. There's a controversy over a confederate statue. And i think. I think if you told the details it might be unbelievable to some people what happened. I wonder if you'd tell that story. Yeah well so. There's a confederate statue was a confederate statue on the campus of the university of north carolina A nicknamed silent. Sam that stood on the university grounds for one hundred years is a statute with a very shameful history. It is supposed to commemorate people who were students at the university who joined the civil war in the confederacy. it was placed there the university Not right after the civil war. But during the sort of flush of the jim crow era when people were really adopting this lost cause ideology and trying to glorify.
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"Member of the board of trustees itself. And i wanted to ask you this whole issue of a tenure for faculty we've seen several battles now in recent years about a prestigious universities not approving tenure for prominent black and latino scholars. What do you say to people who say. These are basically tempest in a teapot that these are middle class intellectuals seeking to get approval of a permanent job lifetime job tenure is in these universities when millions of americans are what was just a decent paying job not and can dream of having lifetime tenure. How important are these battles in terms of the the battles over institutional racism in society. Right now i think it's a microcosm of a lot of things we're seeing in the nation right at public universities certainly the university of north carolina system in unc chapel hill. Its flagship institution. These organizations are Their boards that governing boards are political appointees so the unc board of governors for instance which governs the entire unc system. All of its schools has one democrat right now because republicans in the north general assembly appointing that democrat is a democrat who lost who is a lawmaker in lost his primary primarily because of siding very often with conservatives and republicans so that's what they put on the on the board there the The board at chapel hill is stacked with white men and stack with people who are conservative. It doesn't look anything like the. The university itself is the question of tenure money. You get a tenure appointment to champagne problem. I think it might seem that way for many people but nicole. Hannah jones doesn't come from an niger. Your ivory tower background. She doesn't come from the middle class. She's from waterloo iowa. She grew up in a working community where she didn't know black people who went to college. She went to notre dame she went to. Unc progress school. She worked her way up from the chapel hill news in north carolina up to the new york times one peabody hope national magazine awards the pulitzer along the way. So when you see somebody doing what conservatives say that they should do themselves up by their straps achieved in america and then they hit us sort of a glass ceiling. Friday logical reasons. I think that's the problem. I want to turn to to clips one the megadonor. And then the protestor who at this point might have more power. This is unc. Megadonor walter hussmann speaking in a two thousand nineteen video about his twenty five million dollar namesake donation to the unc hussmann school of journalism and media. We're investing in carolina journalism because it's a very important time in america. Americans are beginning to realize they need to a trusted source of professional journalists. And now i want to turn to a student when black students tried to attend the unc. Board of trustees meeting on wednesday. June thirtieth were members voted on whether to grant tenure to nicole hannah. Jones campus police forcibly removed. The students from the room as we all of their own call. Now this is. Unc student. Talia job van one of the protesters in that clip speaking on black shoes. Black news tonight with marc lamont hill about whether. Unc is a place where she wants to be now. They feel they can do anything to treat as any kind of way. I want you to ask yourselves. Honestly this is what we saw them do today on camera and they knew the world was watching. How do you honestly think they treat us. When you're not paying attention. I will never ever ever forget the less than unc chapel hill talking today and we'll continue to bring this up when i'm talking to potential. Black students were interested in coming here in the future now. Unc police chief Chapel hill has resigned after what happened at that. Trustee meeting joe killian take us from there. The power of hussmann. The power of the protesters. Well i mean you know. I think what you're seeing in that. Protest clip is a lot of pent up frustration over a number of issues dealing with politics and race at the university for years where students and faculty and staff members collared do not feel. They've been hurt and have had conflict with the people who are governing the university governing the university system who are very very removed from his attending the university and teaches at the university. Who the our if you just look at the makeup social makeup the racial ethic makeup of of these awards they just don't reflect the students in ideologically they certainly don't represent the students so there's a terrific amount of frustration built up as to how much influence they have. I mean i think that this. This incident proves that when the campus sort of speak says one faculty staff students alumni a major major funders of the university. They can get the attention of the people who are in charge. But you know can they make real change at you know. That's a harder question. Only the members of the north carolina general assembly can change leadership awards and people coming in are not any less conservative. In fact i would say that either more conservative than the people who are leaving. And the and i wanted to ask you terms of the impact of this night of this knightfoundation money which supposedly is also attracting a other foundations. The ford foundation and others for a multimillion dollar grant a howard university. What the impact is going to be a of that decision of these major foundations to essence provided alternative to what. Unc was so late and granting to into in terms of tenure here. Yeah this is not the first one we've seen this either. You wouldn't see lost a major grant after it's a debacle over the silence and confederate monument on its campus and how a candle bat and continues to come in conflict with major donors and to lose downers ends money from individual individuals who donated school to which honestly but some of the folks who were running school and running university. Say okay. that's fine. Burt redoing it. What it is we want to do and we believe that. Will you know. Continue to find the money to do that. We're you know we're not interested in changing direction. Because these people who our work don't like our students toppled the statue the confederate statue in two thousand eighteen. Now the unc. Press in the crosshairs of the board of governors which is refusing to reappoint professor. Eric muller who criticized the handling of the silent stem statue. We have five seconds. Yeah eric muller is a renown. Unc law professor. Who has been on the unc press or for two terms. He was three seconds to be reappointed reappointed and has heads with the order. We'll leave it there. Joe kelley and thanks for joining us..
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"walter hussmann" Discussed on Democracy Now! Audio
"The board of trustees itself. And i wanted to ask you this whole issue of a tenure for faculty we've seen several battles now in recent years about a prestigious universities not approving tenure for prominent black and latino scholars. What do you say to people who say. These are basically tempest in a teapot that these are middle class intellectuals seeking to get approval of a permanent job lifetime job tenure is in these universities when millions of americans are what was just a decent paying job not and can dream of having lifetime tenure. How important are these battles in terms of the the battles over institutional racism in society. Right now i think it's a microcosm of a lot of things we're seeing in the nation right at public universities certainly at the university of north carolina system in unc chapel hill. Its flagship institution. These organizations are Their boards that governing boards are political appointees so the unc board of governors for instance which governs the entire unc system. All of its schools has one democrat right now because republicans in the north general assembly appointing that democrat is a democrat who lost who is a lawmaker in lost his primary primarily because of siding very often with conservatives and republicans so that's what they put on the on the board there the The board at chapel hill is stacked with white men and stack with people who are conservative. It doesn't look anything like the. The university itself is the question of tenure monday. You get a tenure appointment to champagne problem. I think it might seem that way for many people but nicole. Hannah jones doesn't come from an niger. Your ivory tower background. She doesn't come from middle class. She's from waterloo iowa. She grew up in a working community where she didn't know black people who went to college. She went to notre dame she went to. Unc progress school. She worked her way up from the chapel hill news in north carolina up to the new york times one peabody hope national magazine awards the pulitzer along the way. So when you see somebody doing what conservatives say that they should do themselves up by their straps achieved in america and then they hit us sort of a glass ceiling for ideological reasons. I think that's the problem. I want to turn to to clips one the megadonor. And then the protestor who at this point might have more power. This is unc. Megadonor walter hussmann speaking in a two thousand nineteen video about his twenty five million dollar namesake donation to the unc hussmann school of journalism and media. We're investing in carolina journalism because it's a very important time in america. Americans are beginning to realize they need to a trusted source of professional journalists. And now i want to turn to a student when black students tried to attend the unc. Board of trustees meeting on wednesday. June thirtieth members voted on whether to grant tenure to nicole hannah. Jones campus police forcibly removed. The students from the room as we all of their call. Now this is. Unc student tell Van one of the protesters in that clip speaking on black shoes black news tonight with marc lamont hill about whether. Unc is a place where she wants to be now. They feel they can do anything to treat as any kind of way. I want you to ask yourselves. Honestly this is what we saw them do today on camera and they knew the world was watching. How do you honestly think they treat us. When you're not paying attention. I will never ever ever forget the less than unc chapel hill talking today and we'll continue to bring this up when i'm talking to potential. Black students were interested in coming here in the future now. Unc police chief Chapel hill has resigned after what happened at that. Trustee meeting joe killian take us from there. The power of hussmann. The power of the protesters. Well i mean you know. I think what you're seeing in that. Protest clip is a lot of pent up frustration over a number of issues dealing with politics and race at the university for years where students and faculty and staff members collared do not feel. They've been hurt and have had conflict with the people who are governing the university governing the university system who are very very removed from his attending the university and teaches at the university. Who the nihar. If you just look at the makeup social makeup the racial ethic makeup of of these awards they just don't reflect the students in ideologically they certainly don't represent the students so there's a terrific amount of frustration built up as to how much influence they have. I mean i think that this. This incident proves that when the campus sort of speak says one faculty staff students alumni a major major funders of the university. They can get the attention of the people who are in charge. But you know can they make real change at you know. That's a harder question. Only the members of the north carolina general assembly can change leadership awards and people coming in are not any less conservative. In fact i would say that either more conservative than the people who are leaving. And the and i wanted to ask you terms of the impact of this night of this knightfoundation money which supposedly is also attracting a other foundations. The ford foundation and others for a multimillion dollar grant a howard university. What the impact is going to be a of that decision of these major foundations to essence provided alternative to what. Unc was so late and granting to into in terms of tenure here. Yeah this is not the first one we've seen this either. You wouldn't see lost a major grant after it's a debacle over the silence and confederate monument on its campus and how a candle bat and it continues to come in conflict with major donors and to lose downers ends money from individual individuals who donated school to which honestly but some of the folks who were and running university. Say okay that's fine. Burt redoing it. What it is we want to do and we believe that. Will you know. Continue to find the money to do that. We're you know we're not interested in changing direction. Because these people who our work don't like our students toppled the statue the confederate statue in two thousand eighteen. Now the unc. Press in the crosshairs of the board of governors which is refusing to reappoint professor. Eric muller who criticized the handling of the silent stem statue. We have five seconds. Yeah eric muller is a renown. Unc law professor. Who has been on the unc press or for two terms. He was three seconds to be reappointed reappointed and has heads with the order. We'll leave it there. Joe kelley and thanks for joining us..
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"walter hussmann" Discussed on Democracy Now! Audio
"The board of trustees itself. And i wanted to ask you this whole issue of a tenure for faculty we've seen several battles now in recent years about a prestigious universities not approving tenure for prominent black and latino scholars. What do you say to people who say. These are basically tempest in a teapot that these are middle class intellectuals seeking to get approval of a permanent job lifetime job tenure is in these universities when millions of americans are what was just a decent paying job not and can dream of having lifetime tenure. How important are these battles in terms of the the battles over institutional racism in society. Right now i think it's a microcosm of a lot of things we're seeing in the nation right at public universities certainly at the university of north carolina system in unc chapel hill. Its flagship institution. These organizations are Their boards that governing boards are political appointees so the unc board of governors for instance which governs the entire unc system. All of its schools has one democrat right now because republicans in the north general assembly appointing that democrat is a democrat who lost who is a lawmaker in lost his primary primarily because of siding very often with conservatives and republicans so that's what they put on the on the board there the The board at chapel hill is stacked with white men and stack with people who are conservative. It doesn't look anything like the. The university itself is the question of tenure monday. You get a tenure appointment to champagne problem. I think it might seem that way for many people but nicole. Hannah jones doesn't come from an niger. Your ivory tower background. She doesn't come from middle class. She's from waterloo iowa. She grew up in a working community where she didn't know black people who went to college. She went to notre dame she went to. Unc progress school. She worked her way up from the chapel hill news in north carolina up to the new york times one peabody hope national magazine awards the pulitzer along the way. So when you see somebody doing what conservatives say that they should do themselves up by their straps achieved in america and then they hit us sort of a glass ceiling for ideological reasons. I think that's the problem. I want to turn to to clips one the megadonor. And then the protestor who at this point might have more power. This is unc. Megadonor walter hussmann speaking in a two thousand nineteen video about his twenty five million dollar namesake donation to the unc hussmann school of journalism and media. We're investing in carolina journalism because it's a very important time in america. Americans are beginning to realize they need to a trusted source of professional journalists. And now i want to turn to a student when black students tried to attend the unc. Board of trustees meeting on wednesday. June thirtieth were members voted on whether to grant tenure to nicole hannah. Jones campus police forcibly removed. The students from the room as we all of their own call now. This is unc student. Tell van. One of the protesters in that clip. Speaking on black shoes black news tonight with marc lamont hill about whether. Unc is a place where she wants to be now. They can do anything to treat as any kind of way. I want you to ask yourselves. Honestly this is what we saw them do today on camera and they knew the world was watching. How do you honestly think they treat us. When you're not paying attention. I will never ever ever forget the less than unc chapel hill talking today and we'll continue to bring this up when i'm talking to potential accidents. Were interested in coming here in the future now. Unc police chief Chapel hill has resigned after what happened at that. Trustee meeting joe killian take us from there. The power of hussmann. The power of the protesters. Well i mean you know. I think what you're seeing in that crow test clip is a lot of pent up frustration over a number of issues dealing with politics and race at the university for years where students and faculty and staff members collared do not feel. They've been hurt and have had conflict with the people who are governing. The university governing the university system are very very removed from his attending the university and teaches at the university. Who the nihar. If you just look at the makeup social makeup the racial ethic makeup of of these awards they just don't reflect the students in ideologically they certainly don't represent the students so there's a terrific amount of frustration built up as to how much influence they have. I mean i think that this. This incident proves that when the campus sort of speak says one faculty staff students alumni a major major funders of the university. They can get the attention of the people who are in charge. But you know can they make real change at you know. That's a harder question. Only the members of the north carolina general assembly can change leadership awards and people coming in are not any less conservative. In fact i would say that either more conservative than the people who are leaving. And i wanted to ask you terms of the impact of this night of this knightfoundation money which supposedly is also attracting a other foundations. The ford foundation and others for a multimillion dollar grant a howard university. What the impact is going to be a of that decision of these major foundations to essence provided alternative to what. Unc was so late and granting to into in terms of tenure here. Yeah this is not the first one we've seen this either. You wouldn't see lost a major grant after it's a debacle over the silence and confederate monument on its campus and how a candle bat and it continues to come in conflict with major donors and to lose downers ends money from individual individuals who donated school to which honestly but some of the folks who were running school and running university. Say okay. that's fine. Burt redoing it. What it is we want to do and we believe that. Will you know. Continue to find the money to do that. We're you know we're not interested in changing direction. Because these people who our work don't like our students toppled the statue the confederate statue in two thousand eighteen. Now the unc. Press in the crosshairs of the board of governors which is refusing to reappoint professor. Eric muller who criticized the handling of the silent stem statue. We have five seconds. Yeah eric muller is a renown. Unc law professor. Who has been on the unc press or for two terms. He was three seconds to be. Reappointed was not reappointed and has heads with the order. Governor leave it there. Joe kelley and thanks for joining us..
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"walter hussmann" Discussed on Democracy Now! Audio
"Member of the board of trustees itself. And i wanted to ask you this whole issue of a tenure for faculty we've seen several battles now in recent years about a prestigious universities not approving tenure for prominent black and latino scholars. What do you say to people who say. These are basically tempest in a teapot that these are middle class intellectuals seeking to get approval of a permanent job lifetime job tenure is in these universities when millions of americans are what was just a decent paying job not and can dream of having lifetime tenure. How important are these battles in terms of the the battles over institutional racism in society. Right now i think it's a microcosm of a lot of things we're seeing in the nation right at public universities certainly at the university of north carolina system in unc chapel hill. Its flagship institution. These organizations are Their boards that governing boards are political appointees so the unc board of governors for instance which governs the entire unc system. All of its schools has one democrat right now because republicans in the north general assembly appointing that democrat is a democrat who lost who is a lawmaker in lost his primary primarily because of siding very often with conservatives and republicans so that's what they put on the on the board there the The board at chapel hill is stacked with white men and stack with people who are conservative. It doesn't look anything like the. The university itself is the question of tenure monday. You get a tenure appointment to champagne problem. I think it might seem that way for many people but nicole. Hannah jones doesn't come from an niger. Your ivory tower background. She doesn't come from the middle class. She's from waterloo iowa. She grew up in a working community where she didn't know black people who went to college. She went to notre dame she went to. Unc progress school. She worked her way up from the chapel hill news in north carolina new york times one peabody hope national magazine awards the pulitzer along the way. So when you see somebody doing what conservatives say that they should do themselves up by their straps achieved in america and then they hit us sort of a glass ceiling. Friday logical reasons. I think that's the problem i want. Wanna turn to to clips one the megadonor and then the protestor who at this point might have more power. This is unc. Megadonor walter hussmann speaking in a two thousand nineteen video about his twenty five million dollar namesake donation to the unc hussmann school of journalism and media. We're investing in carolina journalism because it's a very important time in america. Americans are beginning to realize they need to a trusted source of professional journalists. And now i want to turn to a student when black students tried to attend the unc. Board of trustees meeting on wednesday. June thirtieth were members voted on whether to grant tenure to nicole hannah. Jones campus police forcibly removed. The students from the room as we all of their how this is. Unc student talia Van one of the protesters in that clip speaking on black shoes black news tonight with marc lamont hill about whether. Unc is a place where she wants to be now. They feel they can do anything to treat as any kind of way. I want you to ask yourselves. Honestly this is what we saw them do today on camera and they knew the world was watching. How do you honestly think they treat us. When you're not paying attention. I will never ever ever forget the less than unc chapel hill talking today and we'll continue to bring this up when i'm talking to potential. Black students were interested in coming here in the future now. Unc police chief Chapel hill has resigned after what happened at that. Trustee meeting joe killian take us from there. The power of hussmann. The power of the protesters. Well i mean you know. I think what you're seeing in that. Protest clip is a lot of pent up frustration over a a number of issues dealing with politics and race at the university for years where students and faculty and staff members collared do not feel. They've been hurt and have had conflict with the people who are governing the university governing the university system. Who are very very removed from his attending the university and teaches at the university. Who the our if you just look at the makeup social makeup the racial ethic makeup of of these words they just don't reflect the students in ideologically they certainly don't represent the students so there's a terrific amount of frustration built up as to how much influence they have. I mean i think that this. This incident proves that when the campus sort of speak says one faculty staff students alumni a major major funders of the university. They can get the attention of the people who are in charge. But you know can they make real change at you know. That's a harder question. Only the members of the north carolina general assembly can change leadership awards and people coming in are not any less conservative. In fact i would say that either more conservative than the people who are leaving. And the and i wanted to ask you terms of the impact of this night of this knightfoundation money which supposedly is also attracting a other foundations. The ford foundation and others for a multimillion dollar grant a howard university. What the impact is going to be a of that decision of these major foundations to essence provided alternative to what. Unc was so late and granting to into in terms of tenure here. Yeah this is not the first one we've seen this either. You wouldn't see lost a major grant after it's a debacle over the silence and confederate monument on its campus and how a candle bat and it continues to come in conflict with major donors and to lose downers ends money from individual individuals who donated school to which honestly but some of the folks who were running school and running university. Say okay. that's fine. Burt redoing it. What it is we want to do and we believe that. Will you know. Continue to find the money to do that. We're you know we're not interested in changing direction. Because these people who our work don't like our students toppled the statue the confederate statue in two thousand eighteen. Now the unc. Press in the crosshairs of the board of governors which is refusing to reappoint professor. Eric muller who criticized the handling of the silent stem statue. We have five seconds. Yeah eric muller is a renown. Unc law professor. Who has been on the unc press or for two terms. He was three seconds to be. Reappointed was reappointed and has heads with the order. We'll leave it there. Joe kelley and thanks for joining us..
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"walter hussmann" Discussed on Democracy Now! Audio
"Team. Nineteen project and also about an essay that hannah jones wrote on the idea of reparations for black americans or slavery and he took those concerns all the way up the chain he. He didn't get the answer that wanted from the schools team. Who said thank you for your input. But we're gonna make the decision ourself. So he went to the chancellor the vice chancellor who oversees financial giving and at least one member of the board of trustees itself. And i wanted to ask you this whole issue of a tenure for faculty we've seen several battles now in recent years about a prestigious universities not approving tenure for prominent black and latino scholars. What do you say to people who say. These are basically tempest in a teapot that these are middle class intellectuals seeking to get approval of a permanent job lifetime job tenure is in these universities when millions of americans are what was just a decent paying job not and can dream of having lifetime tenure. How important are these battles in terms of the the battles over institutional racism in society. Right now i think it's a microcosm of a lot of things we're seeing in the nation right at public universities certainly at the university of north carolina system in unc chapel hill. Its flagship institution. These organizations are Their boards that governing boards are political appointees so the unc board of governors for instance which governs the entire unc system. All of its schools has one democrat right now because republicans in the north general assembly appointing that democrat is a democrat who lost who is a lawmaker in lost his primary primarily because of siding very often with conservatives and republicans so that's what they put on the on the board there the The board at chapel hill is stacked with white men and stack with people who are conservative. It doesn't look anything like the. The university itself is the question of tenure monday. You get a tenure appointment to champagne problem. I think it might seem that way for many people but nicole. Hannah jones doesn't come from an niger. Your ivory tower background. She doesn't come from the middle class. She's from waterloo iowa. She grew up in a working community where she didn't know black people who went to college. She went to notre dame she went to. Unc progress school. She worked her way up from the chapel hill news in north carolina up to the new york times one peabody hope national magazine awards the pulitzer along the way. So when you see somebody doing what conservatives say that they should do themselves up by their straps achieved in america and then they hit us sort of a glass ceiling for ideological reasons. I think that's the problem. I want to turn to to clips one the megadonor. And then the protestor who at this point might have more power. This is unc. Megadonor walter hussmann speaking in a two thousand nineteen video about his twenty five million dollar namesake donation to the unc hussmann school of journalism and media. We're investing in carolina journalism because it's a very important time in america. Americans are beginning to realize they need to a trusted source of professional journalists. And now i want to turn to a student when black students tried to attend the unc. Board of trustees meeting on wednesday. June thirtieth were members voted on whether to grant tenure to nicole hannah. Jones campus police forcibly removed. The students from the room as we all of their own call. Now this is. Unc student. Tell talia Van one of the protesters in that clip speaking on black shoes black news tonight with marc lamont hill about whether. Unc is a place where she wants to be now. They feel they can do anything to treat as any kind of way. I want you to ask yourselves. Honestly this is what we saw them do today on camera and they knew the world was watching. How do you honestly think they treat us. When you're not paying attention. I will never ever ever forget the less than unc chapel hill talking today and we'll continue to bring this up when i'm talking to potential. Black students were interested in coming here in the future now. Unc police chief Chapel hill has resigned after what happened at that. Trustee meeting joe killian take us from there. The power of hussmann. The power of the protesters. Well i mean you know. I think what you're seeing in that. Protest clip is a lot of pent up frustration over a a number of issues dealing with politics and race at the university for years where students and faculty and staff members collared do not feel. They've been hurt and have had conflict with the people who are governing the university governing the university system. Who are very very removed from his attending the university and teaches at the university. Who the nihar. If you just look at the makeup social makeup the racial ethic makeup of of these awards they just don't reflect the students in ideologically they certainly don't represent the students so there's a terrific amount of frustration built up as to how much influence they have. I mean i think that this. This incident proves that when the campus sort of speak says one faculty staff students alumni a major major funders of the university. They can get the attention of the people who are in charge. But you know can they make real change at you know. That's a harder question. Only the members of the north carolina general assembly can change leadership awards and people coming in are not any less conservative. In fact i would say that either more conservative than the people who are leaving. And the and i wanted to ask you terms of the impact of this night of this knightfoundation money which supposedly is also attracting a other foundations. The ford foundation and others for a multimillion dollar grant a howard university. What the impact is going to be a of that decision of these major foundations to essence provided alternative to what. Unc was so late and granting to into in terms of tenure here. Yeah this is not the first one we've seen this either. You wouldn't see lost a major grant after it's a debacle over the silence and confederate monument on its campus and how a candle and it continues to come in conflict with major donors and to lose downers ends money from individual individuals who donated school to which honestly but some of the folks who were running school and running university. Say okay. that's fine. Burt redoing it. What it is we want to do and we believe that. Will you know. Continue to find the money to do that. We're you know we're not interested in changing direction. Because these people who our.
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"Be out here. Today is an injustice in itself giving nicole hannah jones tenure after the controversy and after the media attention in after the the backlash that this board has received is not a genuine act. Unc trustee richard meakin told reporters that he supported hannah jones receiving tenure. Because he thinks more of her work is needed to uncover parts of black history. That students are not taught in school. I read the sixteen nineteen project and I found it'd be fascinating in powerful impactful We're there's some errors in it. Perhaps but compared to the errors that i learned in history and the lack of history that i learned here right here in north carolina. Did you know about what happened. In one thousand nine hundred and wilmington north carolina. and so. that's that's kind of disappointing. Actually devastating that. We didn't learn those kind of things last year. Walter hussmann who. Unc's journalism school is named after expressed concern about hannah jones's appointment to the dean of the journalism. School in e mails obtained by local media. Hussmann wrote quote. I worry about the controversy of tying the unc journalism school to the sixteen nineteen project on quote. The ten year controversy also comes as republican. Legislators around the country worked to pass laws. Banning the teachings of critical race theory in colleges and k through twelve schools carol shirley an alum of the journalism school was also out protesting wednesday in support of nicole. Hannah jones when the decision to grant tenure was announced. Shirley said she felt relieved encouraged. The you know the right things happened in the right way is today And for the people who don't agree with her and the people who don't want her here. I i understand that. They don't want to perpetuate something that they don't believe in but as journalists and at the school of journalism we shine lights in dark places. We speak truth to power. We investigate the things that nobody else wants to know about. Nobody else wants to talk about. And if we start now dimming that light and shutting down that voice then that's the beginning of the end of what we do and what we're here for for more on this story search nicole that's an eye. Ko l. e. hannah jones on usa today dot com..