25 Burst results for "Wade Robson"
Los Angeles Judge Tosses Lawsuit of Man Who Alleged Jackson Molestation
"A is tossed the lawsuit against the estate of Michael Jackson by a dancer who claimed he was abused as a kid by Jackson. The judge yesterday found Mjj Productions and M. J J Ventures were not financially liable to Wade Robson because the corporations had no legal duty or ability to control Jack. Action lawyer for Robson said the case would be appealed into the Supreme Court, if necessary.
Judge Tosses Lawsuit of Man Who Alleged Jackson Molestation
"A lawsuit filed by a man accusing Michael Jackson of sexually abusing him has been dismissed Wade Robson is one of two men who allege Michael Jackson abused them in the HBO documentary leaving Neverland he is now thirty eight and after appearing in some of the pop star's music videos and recording music on his label when into choreography his lawsuit targets not Jackson but two of the corporations he started the suit claims that as a Jackson employee the companies had a duty to protect him much of the school might need to protect children from teachers a judge in Los Angeles has rejected that claim saying the companies would just legal entities and not set up to exert personal control over Jackson Robson's lawyer says there will be an appeal I'm Oscar wells Gabriel
Michael Jackson Accusers Can Now Sue for Sexual Abuse
"A California appeals court has revived two lawsuits accusing the late pop star Michael Jackson of child sexual abuse in twenty seventeen Wade Robson and James save chock were told they could not sue MJJ productions or MJJ ventures because they waited too long to bring their complaints and because neither company could be held liable for Jackson's alleged actions now a new California law allows victims of childhood sexual abuse to file civil lawsuits until age forty and extends the statute of limitations on suing third party entities that knew or should have known abuse was happening the court says under that law rob sedan save Chuck can sue the company's link to Jackson's estate like stone EBC
Michael Jackson Accusers Can Now Sue for Sexual Abuse
"A lawsuit from to Michael Jackson accusers featured in a recent documentary has been revived by an appeals court a California appeals court has ruled that Wade Robson and James safe chuckle appeared in leading Neverland can pursue their claims because of a change in California January first law extending the statute of limitations for claims of childhood sexual assault Robson and save Chuck say they were befriended by Jackson were abused by him from the ages of seven and ten in the early nineteen nineties never found out what we were doing Robson says Jackson threatened jail time for both and he had people part Jackson died in two thousand nine but the singer's family has denied the claim to describe leaving Neverland as a public
Michael Jackson Accusers Can Now Sue for Sexual Abuse
"A lawsuit from to Michael Jackson accusers featured in a recent documentary has been revived by an appeals court a California appeals court has ruled that Wade Robson James safe chuckle appeared in leaving Neverland can pursue their claims because of a change in California January first law extending the statute of limitations for claims of childhood sexual assault Robson and save trucks say they were befriended by Jackson were abused by him from the ages of seven and ten in the early nineteen nineties I think were found out what we were doing Robson says Jackson threatened jail time for both and he had people part Jackson died in two thousand nine but the singer's family has denied the claims and described leaving Neverland as a public lynching I'm Joe
"wade robson" Discussed on KCRW
"In terms of historical American events you know on the one hand you have the moon landing and then you have the moon and I would argue there's there's probably no other artist who is as important to wear popular music currently is the Michael Jackson I mean there's just like a like a foundational elemental aspect to the way he changed what music sounded like and how we responded to it like the dancing that we do is in some ways many ways Michael Jackson dancing so I'm thinking about all of this as I am dragging myself through the winter weather to go watch this movie and what's the first thing you notice about the phone oh my god it's so quiet it's really quiet I think when I was with them he was happy I don't know yeah is an animal's he was at the peak of his creativity things at the peak of his success a lot of string music but what you really are aware of is just that you're gonna hear two people and the people in their lives talk about their relationship to Michael Jackson is already larger than life and then he likes you and who are these two people one of them is Wade Robson wide wanted dancing competition is weak on Thursday night.
Lawsuits by Michael Jackson accusers likely to be restored
"A California appeals court may breathe new life into lawsuits filed by two men who accused Michael Jackson of molesting them when they were boys a panel of the second District Court of appeals in Los Angeles says the lawsuits filed by James safe Chuck and Wade Robson should be considered by the trial court they dismissed the case is in twenty seventeen the ruling is based on a new California law that extends the statute of limitations for sex abuse victims the two plaintiffs gained notoriety when they feared their accusations in the documentary leaving Neverland lawyers for the Jackson the state say the allegations are false but they accepted the court recommendation I'm Jackie Quinn
"wade robson" Discussed on The Bobby Bones Show
"To committed on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts. All right. The Bobby bones post show pre show. Well, we've just finished today show. You know, I'm not going to get to watch game of thrones on Sunday. I'll be in Los Angeles and a hotel. Do I can't watch HBO HP? It's not live four to load and then watch it after midnight. That's. Man. Can I watch anyway? Mcdonald's on don't watch. I know knows no no way. I'm watching. American idol. Yeah. I watch I watch Monday guess the excited about that. Couple of things I want to mention the push appreciate. So they've stopped airing finding Neverland on HBO. I guess what might might tell me about this. Why they came out and said something else about it. And they all there was another inaccuracy in the documentary. So there been allies again, I'm just going to say again, I believe the boys. I do believe they're men now the something happened. But now more and more stories are coming out that their stories aren't exactly accurate and once that happens, and it's like being in court if you're a little wrong on something. That's a big you're considered wrong on something. Yeah. But people are not realizing it's a documentary. Like, this is still like movie, it's not like it has to be factual documentaries. Don't have to be real yet that the whole point of this is yes, do they? Yeah. You thrill fictional documentary. Held a movie I think that's what they are. Like documentaries are supposed to be real. Oh, I always see him as that's like when we watch documentary like they steered in one direction like again to'real e like, but even news stories that are giving facts, they're always coming from a perspective. Oh, thought they were kinda just like no documentary document, what's happen, documentation, the people they're interviewing donuts, they'll have to tell the truth will they don't you can't make someone tell the truth right point is documentary that supposedly real they've stopped airing finding Neverland it appears HBO stop doing. It that coincides more with Dow being cash on the testimony of victims from the story. Wade Robson and James safe. Chuck there've been cleansed the train station where safe Chuck claims he was abused at ninety three was then it was not yet built. There are just things. Oprah winfrey. Also appears to be changing her stance on the accusations. She pulled the interviews that have been post on our YouTube channel. There's also some stuff. With like about the Wade Robson guy like he was selling memorabilia non-assigned. No, he was doing. Listen, I still believe something happened..
Streisand says Michael Jacksonâ€™s abuse â€˜did not killâ€™ accusers
"Singer Barbra Streisand skill getting backlash on social media over recent comments. She makes about the late Michael Jackson. Here's USA radio's Rick Vincent Barbra Streisand believes Michael Jackson was a child molester. But she also believes his victims got a bonus and the sexual attacks didn't kill them that according to an interview by the times in the UK TMZ reports Streisand. Shared her thoughts about MJ and the two accusers featured in leaving Neverland Wade Robson and James save Chuck and seemed sympathetic Jackson saying his sexual needs were his sexual needs coming from whatever childhood he asked or whatever it DNA. He has she believes Robson and save check were indeed molested by saying the documentary was painful to watch that said, she went under this miss the horror of child molestation saying you can say molested, but those children as you heard them say in the documentary that were thrilled to be there. They both married and they both have children. So it didn't kill them strikes. Say she feels bad for everyone involved. But she blames the parents. Who would allow their children to sleep with him
"wade robson" Discussed on KTRH
"Get lucky in hopes. A pot of gold may be buried under this tree. I'll Marana back home. I want to know what to go. Ago. Give me to go. I want to go. Well, beta will Rourke has announced he's running for president. And that's what we're going to talk about for at least the next hour maybe longer, but I did want to mention one thing. I know some of you probably watched it when it came out, which I think was a couple of weeks ago, we got back on Saturday. And we watched my wife, and I watched leaving Neverland over the weekend, which I was surprised you haven't watched it. You know, it's know the story, right? So. We're watching this thing. And for those of you who haven't seen it. It is an HBO documentary on two of the accusers of Michael Jackson. Now, what makes the story interesting is there were the two separate cases Jackson Chandler and Gavin or visit oh where they went to trial and he got off in. You'll remember some of these young men came forward and spoke out on his behalf. Both of these did that. Their names are Jimmy safe. Chuck and Wade Robson. And they now say that they spoke at the trial on his behalf because they were under his sway. There was a lot of shame everything related to that. And I do believe that's possible. I do believe that's possible, especially since their careers, especially Wade Robson who's a choreographer were tied into him. So. When Wade Robson is on the screen, the very first time I thought to myself last weird. I recognize this calm. But I didn't know why I recognized him. So I remembered after I watched it I keep seeing dance dancing. He has this particular way, he dances. He did all Britney Spears choreography and. In sync, and it's not my speed. But it it's very identifiable, and he has this soul. Patch you know, the hair under his live on his chin Nabila goat gruff, and so Shaun willing who owns planet funk dance academy. Made a movie about twelve years ago or so maybe if thirteen fourteen years ago, and I was the associate producer I came in late in the project. It was a whole lot of fun. First time I've done that and got the bug. And I kept it. So Sean had said, hey, if you want me to come on your show and talk about Wade Robson, I will. And I assumed since he and Wade Robson our good friends that he was going to bolster Wade Robson's position. But quite the opposite. He thinks that this is what he calls at one point five billion dollar scam. He does not agree with what Wade Robson is done. He said that Wade Robson told him this thing is a scam. He's trying to get paid the whole thing. And then I realize Wade Robson was in that movie because he's danced at that studio. He stayed at Shawn's house. They're big buddies. Anyway, it was we're going to have that conversation at some point. Because Sean believes that this leaving Neverland is an attempt by these guys to get paid by the estate, and he does not believe their story. Now, I don't know how anybody as I told Sean I disagree. I don't know how anybody knows what happened in that bedroom. Other than the two people involved in one of them is dead. And he was repeatedly accused by multiple people of the same exact thing, and I will say this. As Shawn said, you can put pretty lights in a nice set and tell a story and convince people to something that isn't actually true. And that is that there's something to that. But when a grown man in his mid thirties whose worth over a billion dollars or not. Is spending every ounce of energy? He has to put little boys that all look the same. That are all seven to ten years old in his bed all day every day. And during that over a pattern of ten years and making it so that no one else is around if something didn't happen. It's still the single weirdest thing and the family the estate nobody denies a grown, man. I don't care that. He didn't have a childhood. I don't care that. He sounds like he's five years old. He's a grown, man. With little boys in his room the door closed twenty four seven on a remote ranch and his own. Amusement park. It's weird inhale. You can't tell me then I don't think I'm exactly an old fuddy duddy when it comes to this. So I will have that conversation with Sean he disagrees with me. I think he's part of the cult of Michael Jackson. I do even though he's my dear friend. I told him that. I think the people who like Michael Jackson don't wanna think that Michael Jackson could be both a really good dancer singer entertainer and a creep. But he is I believe he is. Anyway, I wanna talk about Bego and.
"wade robson" Discussed on Double Toasted
"I mean one thing that was weird about that whole thing pass. It was just that he paid these people off, and I was always a talking trigger point for a lot of. Yeah. Right. Yeah. You know, Michael. Yes. On that. You know? And so you know in. Yeah. There's a bit of it that you don't wanna believe this. Wade robson. We went into this whole thing. You just talked about you know, bit by bit. What could be wrong with the stories? But now this documentary turns around and says all right now, you've questioned the accusers you have to question Michael here true in because what you see there is a. When you see the behavior of Michael Jackson. I mean, we always defended by saying that he was a guy that didn't never had a child we keep hearing, right? Only so far because I always I've heard that as a defense like, yeah. It was a lot of people don't get to have childhoods, and they don't do all of this. Yeah. And you know, in in in, plus we're talking about we're talking about Wade Robson as somebody who you question, but it's really hard again. I'm not saying one way or the whether this guy's right or wrong ways line and not when you get to James safe Shug, man. He is so sincere with he or he seems to socio with what he's saying. And he really doesn't unlike unlike Wade, you don't you don't see what the gain is for him here. Right. Like like, he has really has more to lose him. He does you see him tell his story, and he not saying Wade Robson his incensio because I don't know we need to be. And we just need to be very careful how we talk about this. You know, seeing how all these different accusations from different people are coming up. And you know, we don't know. But from looking at the story in the way, the documentary structured save Chuck wasn't aim was James seeing. You know, his story in a way, you know. He's he's conveying everything it's very compelling. You know, Wade Robson gear. You know, he saves some things you feel for them. But something about this guy saved Chuck. It's like, okay. You feel for what he's saying you want you almost wanna believe him. Taking me he could be crazy and just leaving his own psychotic. And just believe in words, but you his mannerisms and everything they seem sincere and genuine is this somebody's body language that does not seem like an act at all, you know. It's nothing nothing about him. That seems like a performance, and I'm just saying I'm going on again, not making any kind of accusations myself, but just, you know, looking at it, and you can't you can't help. But be like men don't know what this guy has to gain from line. But the, you know, the biggest questions that they get into and put in and I think for me put me in a different frame of mind because I was saying we talked about this last week. I was saying that I would never let my child I believe deepen Mahar would never let my child do the things that the parents let Michael Jackson do with their kids. I mean before we even get into any kind of sexual allegations allegations. He we're talking about letting letting a grown man take your kid and sleep with them in a bed with on Super Bowl. Is with you. When you're not around the only that just the disliking your child going with an adult that you just met for three hours..
"wade robson" Discussed on Woman Evolve with Sarah Jakes Roberts
"Wade Robson in James safe Chuck in director, Dane read, the studio audience was made up of sexual abuse revive as well as their supporters and family members when for who revealed on her talk show decades ago that she was sexually abused. When she was young said reads documentary did an excellent job of illustrating, which he had always tried to explain child sexual abuse is also about seduction. So I read a lot of people who were upset because Michael. Jackson is not here to defend himself. And we just feel white. You know, Oprah should've against maybe kinda held it down for him. Because she was like, I think there were any was France. I don't know shimmy says Oprah does need a rescue. That wasn't a good look Tia B's Alameda Oprah love me, some Oprah. But she's cancelled. She would never do that to Harvey Weinstein. You I think she would you don't think. So Tiffany says I wash Oprah's interview, she gets rescue her intentions were good. Okay. At Namm gonna be honest. I didn't see it. I just saw the I didn't see the actual documentary that Oprah did. I just saw the. The documentary that was actually on HBO. And so, you know, I don't know. DJ Johnson says she needs to interview the family as well TI Rene says, no, I couldn't watch it leave Michael alone. Now, this is what I've noticed though, you know, a lot of us want Michael to be left alone in this situation. And I don't know. On whole no vanita says now MJ was acquitted wasn't ARA. Art Ellie was acquitted. The first time, I don't know. I don't know she thinks his I couldn't watch it. But they all need rescuing because they all need healing. Andrea coats is Oprah his rescue because she is a journalist as she is journalist at first and foremost, okays, let's see Hilling did I love. Oh, I don't know what her into inches were. But not what what made it might a good. Look, can you help me because I haven't seen it and Siam's beacon somewhat ignorantly. But I saw I read the articles about it. I haven't actually seen it. I watch the documentary. But but why wasn't it a good? Look. Shelly says it wasn't Oprah's story. She just did the interviewing teddy exits acquitted doesn't mean innocent and she will seek answers about 'em. Jane, Laura Wallace. We've been talking about this in groups because it was so intense in troubling because he was such an icon and gave an appearance of innocence. You know? I was thinking because one of the things I saw on the documentary is one of the victims or alleged victims. I guess gave a very detailed account of how the abuse happened to him so much. So that it was like Crin cringe-worthy. Right. But I think it's I think part of the reason why maybe people were like, oh, my gosh that's been much is because like when we think about someone being sexually abused. We don't we just put a blanket a blanket idea of what that means. And to have a man talk about inspe- acidification what he says happened to him in may be a bit much. I guess, but it is his truth. You know, even if it's not a truth that we can all agree on. And I think that when we hear the word sexual abuse. We have to see it as traumatic in intense like what he detailed like, maybe it's not true for him. But I just think for other sexual abuse victims like. Is not just this blanket thing that happened to them. There was a detailed account of trauma that took place that forever changed in shape them into understand the weight of that internet. I guess is what I'm saying. Let's not become so comfortable with the word sexual abuse that we lose the the real harsh reality of the weight that those moments are in people's lives..
Michael Jackson, Wade Robson And James Safe discussed on Still Processing
"New HBO documentary called leaving Neverland leaving Neverland is a documentary. Not about Jackson says the filmmaker, but the stories of two men who say the pop star sexually abused them as young children that details the stories of two people James save, Chuck and Wade Robson. So now, I'm in this moment of experiencing another kind of death in light of what these men say that Michael did them as children. There's something about sitting there. With this movie, which is four hours long, and you are bearing witness basically to these two men tell the story of their years. Of having Michael Jackson be in their lives and not just their lives, but the lives of their families. And so you hear from Wade Robson and James safe, Chuck, but you also hear from both men's mothers, and Wade Robson's brother and sister in weight, Robson's grandmother, and you have these people talking about what Michael Jackson meant to them all in how in the cases of James weighed what Michael Jackson did to them. He was one of the kindness. Most gentle loving, caring people. I knew. He helped me tremendously helped me with my career helped me with my creativity with all sorts of things. And the also sexually abused me. For seven years. And what these boys remember is related to us and the filmmakers in what I would describe as unsparing detail. Yes, how Michael Jackson taught than the masturbate Howie introduced them to oral sex, and they were children. He was using his authority both as an adult and as Michael Jackson to convince him at this was okay. And it's very difficult to hear that and not feel a great sadness. Because what you're watching is. Like, a missing puzzle piece. It is not a sort of cultural contextual is Asian for Michael Jackson's alleged pedophilia because you're hearing from these two people it's completely removed from all of that stuff. This is not like view from outer space. It is you listening to these two men and their families talk about their life with Michael Jackson. So it exists in this separate space and that gives it a real power. Or in a real weight, and it implicates the viewer in a way that is much different from a sort of grand sweeping OJ made in America style cultural analysis, which in some ways is a completely valid way of thinking about Michael Jackson's behavior, especially toward children. But this is the first time we've had two people come forward and talk to a filmmaker at least in this case about the sex the sort of social relationship, and we have to hear that. I I think. Yeah. In order to figure out what to do with this information. There's no attempt to exonerate or extenua- the circumstances involving these two men and their families. And I think that's a really powerful strategy because it's very convincing. It's just a very slow and thorough look at how abuse works and how everyone ignores it until it's. Too late. It's also important to know that there's lots of corroborating evidence there are answering machine. Messages is a really affecting montage of faxes. The Michael Jackson used to send to one of the kids. And then you have all these pictures, so many, pictures and recordings of Michael Jackson. I remember the plane being quite empty, and I did this mock interview with him he said, I could ask them anything. I wanted.
"wade robson" Discussed on News Radio 810 WGY
"Michael Jackson could be guilty as hell and HBO's leaving nether at Neverland would still be unfair. Those are the words of John Ziegler. Welcome to the program. John, Glenn, I'm gonna put ever unpopular on my business card. That's what you need. So john. I actually. I know this this article when you read it, you gotta thought. Yeah. You know, everybody's going to disagree with me on this. But we actually don't we've watched this. And I think in reading your your article, I think you would agree most likely these guys are telling the truth most likely this guy, Michael Jackson, did this to these to these kids and many others, but he's not around to defend himself. And we're just presenting one side. This is dangerous. That's why I wrote the column. However that column was written a couple of days ago and. I'm not sure I would write the same column today because I'm quite sure that one of the two guys in that age HBO quote, unquote documentary. Wade Robson is not telling the truth. Yeah. Let me put it this way. If he is telling the truth, then we might as well throw away the entire judicial system because there is absolutely positively no way for an accused person to defend themselves. Because the Wade Robson story is on on paper is a complete joke. And I purposely went into watching. Neverland movie. I don't wanna call a documentary because it's ridiculously one-sided re even Jackson is guilty. Let me just say I hate this subject. I hate being the person that has to stand up and say, wait a minute. But no one else wants to do this. And I mean, you set up around popular that's even with my own wife. But I'm telling you the way Robeson story. My my dog does not Michael Jackson. I don't care about Michael Jackson. I care about the truth that I really really care about the rules were creating for how we evaluate these kind of stories radically changing in a very dangerous way. And if the Wade Robson story is allowed to stand. Then I seriously, Glenn, I do not know how a rich famous person. It is able to defend themselves against any allegation because I evaluated these kind of stories for years now. And this one is the most inexplicable that I've ever seen. I you say that what do you say that well because in all seriousness again, he could be telling the truth. But if he is then on what basis would any story ever be discredited? Let me I mean, I could talk to you for hours about this. But let me just give you a couple of highlights. I mean, here's a guy who I'm forgetting about the fact that it's twelve years old. He testified in a civil complaint that Jackson never did anything to women. Who was the greatest thing ever? I just counting that okay? Twelve years old and supposedly still being abused. But at twenty two years old as an adult celebrity. Okay. People need to understand he's a celebrity guy who who allegedly broke up Britney Spears, and Justin Timberlake because he had an affair with Britney Spears. Now right there, that's confidence. Folks that that is not consistent. What was what we're told is the sex abuse victim? This is a worldly guy at twenty two in the midst of a massive criminal trial. She is not just a witness for Michael Jackson. He's Michael Jackson's first defense witness. I know Michael Jackson's attorney Tom mezro, very well here in Los Angeles. Tom has always a brilliant guy. He believes Michael Jackson is innocent. I do not know if he is or not I'm I'm agnostic on that issue. But as far as Wade Robson there is no way in hell, the Tommaso or Michael Jackson. If he's a criminal mastermind is gonna put. Wade Robeson on the stand. I it is criminal trial. If he's abused him for seven years, and and Tom wrestler who was interviewed him vigorously his family. Vigorously is going to put him on the stand. I this is this is the testimony which was vigorously defending Jackson is is only one thousand data points. They continue well after the trial well after Jackson's death Robeson was never of after Jackson dies ropes issues. One of the most Abune pro Jackson statements. I've ever heard anyone gift he's the greatest human being that's ever lived. He writes chapter in a book eulogizing, Michael Jackson, Kansas funeral of he. And then it only shifts it only shifts immediately after when Michael Jackson is dead at ropes in loses out on the job to choreograph. A circus. Soleil, Michael Jackson show, Las Vegas and then. When he sues for millions of dollars. He the first time he ever tells the story to anyone and in the course of that lawsuit the courses that lawsuit. The discovery shows how he created his story. And you don't even I am in my calm. I I don't think I accurately describe how that loss. You got adjudicated judicata because of statute of limitations concerns, and that sounds like, oh, you know. There was nothing about the merit. That's not really accurate would really happen is it was statue of limitations concern. And then when he tried to figure out a loophole around the statue of limitations, the judge determined that he blatantly perjured himself as proven by emails and throughout his entire testimony. So so if this if this wave ropes it is people leave and accepted with in a documentary was zero back. I mean zero skeptical questioning zero informed the audience in the first hour, a some of these basic facts, then I really honestly grant, I do not know how anyone years later can possibly defend themselves. And again, I don't care about Michael Jackson. And I hate this subject, but come on people. This was told and when we when you see interviews with this director, Dan read, I have never seen any what is invested storyline without facts in this guy's I luck could way Robeson talented shoes. I guess. So I guess Jesse small at and Christie Ford could too. I I mean, frankly, I this story makes Christine Ford and Jesse small it looks like George Washington. Abraham lincoln. That's how that's how bad it is. I mean, it's really it is really it's the worst I've ever seen. Wow. What about the other guy? Now James same Chuck is a different story, and I will fully acknowledged, by the way, both of them are very good. They're very compelling. It's disgusting. It's horrific. It's important to point out that no one seems to want to knowledge these are two guys who have been entertainer since they were kids there've been performers. So what can we at least consider the possibility that Jesse small that era that they could be just Telugu story that is certainly possible, but it's much more difficult to to destroy safe Chuck story because he didn't do nearly the same number of things. However, he did testify on behalf of Jackson the civil complaint. He did file apparently a deposition saying not. I mean an affidavit saying he was not abused. He did not testify at Jackson's trial. He was about twenty seven years old at that time, but he also didn't testify again. Him. And he never told anybody about this until after Jackson was dead at about the actual allegations. So there, you know, when you compare it to Wade Robson, it's not nearly as easily questionable AB and I fully agree that they're telling the story in Neverland never leaving Neverland is is incredibly compelling, and that's clearly why HP L and the director decided to go with it. But should there be more than that? Really? Shouldn't have even more than that against a man who is dead. A man who was not convicted in court a man who was never even found liable in a civil case. I mean to me the threshold oughta be much higher grand under those circumstances. This documentary would have been fine. If Michael Jackson had been convicted and confessed, but that didn't happen or if he was still alive to defend himself. That's not the case. Because of those circumstances, I do not believe never leaving Neverland ever. Should he be even aired on HBO? And I and I think it's an abomination from documentary standpoint. Well, it's not a documentary a documentary is. I should present both sides. So you have some sort of idea. I mean, it is it is an anti Michael Jackson. Movie. And there's no ifs, ands, or buts. They do not ever give anyone a chance to say. The the other side at all. Example of that with Wade Robson, and I didn't know this until after it aired Wade ropes in during the time of the alleged allegations that he makes against Michael Jackson. What's going fourteen years old was dating someone? He was dating a woman for eight years during his entire teenage years. That person was Michael Jackson's niece, brandy who is incredibly credible intelligent. I've seen interviews with her. She knows he's lying knows it. Now, how how does that make any damn sense that for eight years, he's he's dating a girl? Who's Michael Jackson's niece who who was there with him the whole time who was having sex with him who knows him better than anybody during this exact period of time. And they don't even interview her don't you think she might have some information. But I mean, that's that's not a documentary as you said that's a hit job, and we should all care about this not because of Michael Jackson, and I don't wanna be I hate being. Seen as as beating defending supposed pedophile. Michael Jackson, particularly despise it. We should care about the truth and these rules. These new rules are so incredibly dangerous. Well, I wanted to ask you to hold on here. I'm a break for a minute. And then we'll come right back, and I want to change this to R Kelly and this and and and even Jeffrey Epstein b here's a guy who clearly on the surface been doing some really bad stuff. He gets a sweetheart deal in Florida because he's really connected. And now, maybe there's a chance that he is going to be looked into because of a social media push the same thing with R Kelly. It's a social media push. Is this good or bad?.
"wade robson" Discussed on Pat Gray Unleashed
"It was creepy and just kind of disturbing not kind of very very disturbing. And so just left you feeling icky last night was much less disturbing because just talked about. I mean, they didn't going to descriptive detail graphic detail about the kinds of things he did to the kids, and it just it was kind of later in life and how Michael moved onto other kids fall out or something and would only come back to these two when he needed them to. To basically testify for him at his trial's both in ninety ninety three and two thousand four and one of them did both times testified on his behalf. And it's interesting because Wade Robson who was the kid who Michael abused from seven years old till he was fourteen when allegedly went onto huge stardom within sink. He was the choreographer and and cut of the manager for in sync and Britney Spears. So the guy was super successful later in life, and that's kind of impart to you know, what he learned from Michael. So he that guy has I mean there were messed up both of them. Just all of them were messed up from what happened to him. And again that Vanity Fair article is really interesting to me that it had a ten undeniable undeniable facts that absolutely everybody knows and are not disputed. So you can say all you want. Well, the sure these kids slept with him. But they said he didn't do anything to him. So maybe he didn't. But there are certain facts that remain that lead you to believe and least lead me to believe. He did what they say. He did. For instance. There's no dispute that at thirty four Michael Jackson slept more than thirty nights in a row in the same bed with thirteen year old Jordi Chandler at the boy's house with Chandler's mother present. And you think what is a matter with these parents. And I that's that's what I think. But then you hear the parents talk speak about the situation on the documentary. And I still wouldn't do what they did. I don't think but you kind of understand it because they knew him and they loved him. And in both of the cases that that they talked about both mothers felt like Michael was sort of their child to. So five boys. Michael Jackson shared beds with have accused him of abuse. Jordi Chandler, Jason Francia Gavin, our visa Wade Robson Jimmy safe, Chuck Robson.
"wade robson" Discussed on KPCC
"I'm John horn last night part one of the documentary leaving Neverland premiered on HBO in it filmmaker. Dan Reed profiles two men who claim that Michael Jackson sexually abused them for years when they were children part two of leaving Neverland airs tonight, the men in the film are Wade Robson who's now thirty six and James save Chuck who is now forty Robson met Jackson when he was five years old after winning a dance contest, save Chuck. Met Jackson when the two of them acted in a Pepsi commercial together. When James was ten both of their mothers also appear in the film last week the estate of Michael Jackson, which has attacked the documentary sued HBO saying it violated a non-disparagement clause in a contract for an earlier Jackson concert film, much of the alleged sexual abuse, which is sometimes recounted in graphic detail happened at Neverland that's Jackson's former Santa Barbara area compound with a twelve thousand square foot main house on a twenty seven hundred acre ranch that included a private zoo and amusement park rides. Dan Reid is the director of a documentary leaving Neverland leading lenders a film about two young men coming to terms with what happened to them at Nolan, and it's kind of come to scape from Netherlands story about how they managed to extricate themselves from the mental clutches of a pedophile ingratiated himself insinuated himself into their lives and the lives of their family. The four hour documentary is largely focused on how Michael Jackson who died in two thousand nine brought the boys into his life. It started with seemingly innocent invitations. But soon the boys were allegedly spending nights with Jackson. They were showered with gifts and told to keep secrets and those secrets the documentary says included sexual abuse committed by Jackson. It's a pattern of behavior that experts in pedophilia, call grooming, and it's not unlike how a Catholic priest might select and start assaulting a young altar boy the kind of relationship agreement predator foams with a. The victim is not perceived as abuse it's perceived. It feels good. It's that's the child feels valued the predator lavishes attention and love and gifts and everything on the child. And so to the child at this nothing bad's happening. It's just a secret that they have to keep because the abuse. It tells them to keep it secret in Michael's case immediately immediate he began abusing wait. He he told him had to be their secret. And he could never tell anyone if you look at a jail etcetera, and sort of what to do if asked by parents will by police Jackson allegedly also took advantage of the boys families, especially their mothers, joy, Robson and Stephanie's save Chuck they were all too eager to thank the Jackson's. Attention was a great honor a terrific opportunity for their children, and even as they were increasingly separated from their kids somehow harmless as Stephanie Saif shock says James's mom. It was a fairytale, and we got sucked into it. I came..
"wade robson" Discussed on The Frame
"Broadcast center at K P C. See this is the frame, I'm John horn on today's show if you seen it or just heard about it. Everybody's talking about the Michael Jackson documentary leaving Neverland will hear from its director. Then Robert Mapplethorpe's explicit photography has divided people for decades. Now, it's the focus of a new work by composer Bryce destler, directed by Kaz shawl finding ways to enter that as black artists as women artists. As queer artists is part of what excites me about the project. And we celebrate the one hundred anniversary of these strange musical instrument. The therapy on all that coming up on the frame. Last night part one of the documentary leaving Neverland premiered on HBO in it filmmaker. Dan Reed profiles two men who claim that Michael Jackson sexually abused them for years when they were children part two of leaving Neverland airs tonight, the men in the film are Wade Robson who's now thirty six and James safe. Chuck who is now forty Robson met Jackson when he was five years old after winning dance contest save Chuck met Jackson when the two of them acted in a Pepsi commercial together. When James was ten both of their mothers also appear in the film last week the estate of Michael Jackson, which has attacked the documentary sued HBO sane at violated non-disparagement clause in a contract for an earlier Jackson concert film, much of the alleged sexual abuse, which is sometimes recounted in graphic detail happened at Neverland that's Jackson's former Santa Barbara area compound with a twelve thousand square foot main house. On a twenty seven hundred acre ranch that included a private zoo and amusement park rides. Dan Reid is the director of a documentary leaving Neverland leading Noland is a film about two young men coming to terms with what happened to them at Noland, and it's kind of come to scape from Netherlands story. And it's about how they managed to extricate themselves from the mental clutches of a pedophile that ingratiated himself insinuates himself into their lives and the lives of the families. The four hour documentary is largely focused on how Michael Jackson who died in two thousand nine brought the boys into his life. It started with seemingly innocent invitations..
"wade robson" Discussed on The Tony Kornheiser Show
"It's really it's rough. I mean, I'm sure I don't think anyone would be surprised looking at the career of Michael Jackson, looking at all the changes, all the physical just cosmetic changes all of that that everybody thought. Well, what's the deal with this? Well and start them at a very young age, father domineering. And so everybody thought he was weird. I don't know if they thought he was necessarily this weird. But it's so clear that he is a deeply troubled person with a such a stilted his maturity level it just stopped. I mean that and people talked about this that he's like a little a little boy. And he just you know, he's got the Llamas, and he's got the monkeys. And he's got this place never land that he built what you don't want to believe that he built it to ensnare young children. You know that he was a sexual. Predator. But it's hard not to watch this and think that and by the at the same time when they show his videos, you go. Oh my God. What a talent what an unbelievable singer and dance did any state push back on this there. I think they have. She got to protect the catalog. That's the motto HBO show in the interview. I heard they mentioned that HP the estate is coming actually at HBO who and this was a novel. And HBO apparently had signed an agreement with the estate at some point promising to never air anything that would disparage any way, Michael Jackson. What is all this? So that's all this family has the family is said, this is not true that you know, that these these these people filed lawsuits lawsuits were dismissed which doesn't make it not true. But those are the things that there's as you watch this documentary do some reading because you it becomes so complicated. You look at what does a victim do after years of abuse. And you look at Wade Robson Robson, the boy who when you see the video and the pictures of him as a seven-year-old boy with the long curls with the state that Michael Jackson was in that time, and you hear him re recounting how Jackson used to tell him you look like a young me. And that's that's chilling to the bone. But it become so complicated because the family would say well Wade Robson ended up dating a niece of Jackson's for seventy. I don't know how you can call it dating. When they're when they're this young. And he also had so much of his career tied into being this disciple of Jackson's and a lot of this split. They came down to after Jackson past. He wanted to be the director the choreographer for this big circus ole performance, I was going to go around the country. He was denied that opportunity. And as when the story changed, it's just it's a have Howard homeless guys able to recount these stories so just passionately is. That is when you watch this, and you watch them talk about this without seeming overt anger. I mean, the I look not to go crazy here. But this is we read about this. The Catholic church problem for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years. So we're not nobody would be immune to the notion that these things happen, and it was talked about with Michael Jackson. But it is. You just watch it. And you you go hall. Oh, 'cause it's there's no nobody's yelling..
"wade robson" Discussed on What Next | Daily News and Analysis
"And how we talk a lot about believing victims, and which we should we should believe victims. But then the question becomes when do we believe victims? And is that enough because Wade Robson seems to have been a victim. And you believed him the first time when he said Michael Jackson didn't molest him. And now you believe in the second time when he says he did. And it shows me how complicated that idea is. And how imperfect frankly yet in the first time he was under oath wrote in some ways that should be more believable. He was under penalty of perjury is an illegal setting when he lied that time. I think victimhood is is very complicated state to be in and causes you to do the haven all sorts of ways that might be unpredictable, and it is complicated. But it's it's one of these things where it's like. Who do we believe when do we believe them when is it enough? And when is it enough to clear out the smoke, you raise this really interesting point, which is true. Which is the Jackson estate is not part of this. This is really a four hour not monologue. But almost from the victims, and as a journalist, I've really complicated feelings about that. Because I do think it's unfair to not get response from the people you're accusing of something. But at the same time having watched the documentary, I can also see how it's the only way to elevate their voices as loud as Michael Jackson's voice. It's not journalistic. But at the same time, I wonder if people would see the victims if it weren't for something like this. I mean, the truth is Wade Robson came out years ago and said Michael Jackson molested me. No one really paid attention. He I mean, I remember seeing that at the time, and because I'd seen him testify the other way, I was like what is this about? I can't really tell what this is about. And it seems barely make a ripple. And and nobody changed really the way they thought about Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson didn't get stopped playing on the radio. People didn't stop playing them at their weddings. Nothing happened. I do think this documentary will have much more of an impact because you hear his story at length an isolated. I mean, the state says that Wade Robson is after money both of these men are well, and there's there's, you know, a plausible case to be made at there's there's there's enough evidence of people seeking money for Michael Jackson around these accusations. Right that it is possible to make that argument gets back to the idea of money, and how it just complicates the narrative. These folks maybe after money, but this may also be true. The Doug Marie leaves out a lot. It leaves out a lot. Of the things that happened at the trial. It's somewhat misleading at one point at six. It seems to imply the MacAulay Culkin testified before Wade Robson. And then Wade Robson came on the stand after MacAulay Culkin. But that's not what happened. I was there. The the prosecution rested the defense called it's first witness its first witness was Wade Robson to take the stand. He was the key witness. He was the all star witness for the defense. And I part of me wondered why did the documentary tied to imply that MacAulay Kokin and taking the stand. I and Wade Robson only came after was that to try to sort of soften what he'd done at the trial. He also in the in the documentary. They don't really have in grabble very much with his false testimony at that trial. There's a sentence where he says I wish I'd been in a place where I've been able to give Justice together in our visa the accuser. And all I thought was well, gosh, you know, governor visa might have deserved a little more than that. And I I'm not sure in the documentary for my taste. There was enough rap lane with that. Have you been able to listen to any Michael Jackson music since watching the documentary? I've heard it at grocery stores, and it makes me really uncomfortable..
"wade robson" Discussed on KCRW
"Me safe track was going on tour with Jackson. Wade Robson worship to the king of pop after he wanted dance competition when he was five Jackson invited him to perform at one of his concerts. As Robson told the host of a kid's TV show. Told me to go on Stygian and dance both boys and their moms develop deep friendships with Jackson staying overnight at his sprawling Neverland ranch and receiving gifts from the singer Wade Robson now thirty six says it was like a dream out of all the kids in the world. He chose me to be his friend Robson and safe Chuck both say they loved Michael Jackson. They also claim he sexually molested them for years. Michael Jackson's family says they're lying. Here's his brother. Jackie Jackson on NBC's today. My brother. He's not fat. Michael jackson. I know here. He would never ever do that to carry in its lawsuit against HBO. The Michael Jackson estate calls leaving Neverland one-sided and a posthumous character assassination. The lawsuit also points out that Wade Robson once testified under oath that Jackson. Never sexually abused him. He was so strong and his defense of Michael Jackson and so convincing I called him as my first witness. Tom mezro was Michael Jackson's lead attorney when he was charged with multiple counts of child sexual abuse in two thousand three Jackson was acquitted on all counts. Mezro says he's appalled that Robson is doing an about-face, especially since Jackson isn't here to defend himself, his reputation being sullied like this so many years after not only as quibble, but his death. I find very repulsive Wade Robson and James safe track alleged that when they were. Kids Jackson told them to never tell anyone about the sexual nature of their relationships. Dan, read the director of leaving Neverland says, he hopes viewers will be receptive to their stories was will never understand Charles actually be someone never be able to keep our children safe. Oprah winfrey. Herself a child sexual abuse survivor interviewed read safe Chuck and Robson for a special that will follow the conclusion of leaving Neverland. She says this moment transcends, Michael Jackson. If the film gets the audience to see how child sexual abuse happens. She says then some good will come of it. Elizabeth Blair NPR news. For more than two months now. Protests have raged in Sudan people are calling for an end to the three decade rule of President Omar al-bashir, the anthem of their moment is a song written for an earlier time of discord NPR's April. Tom has the story. Everyone was stunned when the late great Sudanese singer Mohamed douar the brought ignore song. Tweet performance space at the Hague. It usually took over the years to compose a song. This one written freaky?.
"wade robson" Discussed on KQED Radio
"Safe. Chuck was going on tour with Jackson. Wade Robson worship to the king of pop after he wanted dance competition when he was five Jackson invited him to perform at one of his concerts. As Robson told the host of a kid's TV show, not signing Jackson. Told me to give him in date both boys and their moms develop deep friendships with Jackson staying overnight at his sprawling Neverland ranch and receiving gifts from the singer Wade Robson now thirty six says it was like a dream out of all the kids in the world. He chose me to be his friend Robson and safe track. Both say they loved Michael Jackson. They also claim he sexually molested them for years. Michael Jackson's family says they're lying. Here's his brother. Jackie Jackson on NBC's today. My brother met, Michael Jackson. I know here. He would never ever do that. In its lawsuit against HBO. The Michael Jackson estate caused leaving Neverland one sided and a posthumous character assassination. The lawsuit also points out that Wade Robson once testified under oath that Jackson never sexually abused him. And he was so strong and his defense of Michael Jackson and so convincing I called him as my first witness, Tom mezro was Michael Jackson's lead attorney when he was charged with multiple counts of child sexual abuse in two thousand and three Jackson was acquitted on all counts. Mezro says he's appalled that Robson is doing an about-face, especially since Jackson isn't here to defend himself, his reputation being sullied like this so many years after not only as a quibble, but his death. I find very repulsive Wade Robson and James safe track alleged that when they were kids Jackson told them to never tell anyone about the sexual nature of their relationships. Dan, read the director of leaving Neverland says, he hopes viewers will be receptive to their stories was will never understand child-sex-abuse will never be able to keep our children safe. Oprah winfrey. Herself a child sexual abuse survivor interviewed read safe check and Robson for a special that will follow the conclusion of leaving Neverland. She says this moment transcends, Michael Jackson. If the film gets the audience to see how child sexual abuse happens. She says then some good will come of it. Elizabeth Blair NPR news. For more than two months now. Poor tests have raged in Sudan people are calling for an end to the three decade rule of President Omar al-bashir, the anthem of their moment is a song written for an earlier time of discord NPR's April. Tom has destroy everyone was stunned when the late great Sudanese singer Mohamed douar, the brought ignore song tweet performance based at the Hague. It usually took the years to compose a song this one written quickey..
"wade robson" Discussed on KCRW
"When he was eight. Track. What's going on tour with Jackson? Wade Robson worship to the king of pop after he won a dance competition when he was five Jackson invited him to perform at one of his concerts. As Robson told the host of a kid's TV show. I'm told me to go inside your team dance both boys and their moms develop deep friendships with Jackson staying overnight at his sprawling Neverland ranch and receiving gifts from the singer Wade Robson now thirty six says it was like a dream out of all the kids in the world. He chose me to be his friend Robson and safe track. Both say they loved Michael Jackson. They also claim he sexually molested them for years. Michael Jackson's family says they're lying. Here's his brother. Jackie Jackson on NBC's today. Isn't that Michael Jackson? I know he would never ever do any in its lawsuit against HBO. The Michael Jackson estate calls leaving Neverland one-sided and a posthumous character assassination. The lawsuit also points out that Wade Robson once testified under oath that Jackson never sexually abused him. And he was so strong and his defense of Michael Jackson and so convincing I called him as my first witness, Tom mezro was Michael Jackson's lead attorney when he was charged with multiple counts of child sexual abuse in two thousand three Jackson was acquitted on all counts mezro says he's a Paul that Robson is doing an about-face, especially since Jackson isn't here to defend himself, his reputation being sullied like this so many years after not only acquittal, but his death. I find very repulsive Wade Robson and James safe track alleged that when they were. Kids Jackson told them to never tell anyone about the sexual nature of their relationships. Dan, read the director of leaving Neverland says, he hopes viewers will be receptive to their stories, otherwise we'll never understand child sexual abuse would never be able to keep our children safe. Oprah winfrey. Herself a child sexual abuse survivor interviewed read safe chalk and Robson for a special that will follow the conclusion of leaving Neverland. She says this moment transcends, Michael Jackson. If the film gets the audience to see how child sexual abuse happens. She says then some good will come of it. Elizabeth Blair NPR news. For more than two months now. Protests have raged in Sudan people calling for an end to the three decade rule of President Omar al-bashir, many have brought back Arab spring many have brought back Arab spring chance. But it's a forgotten song written for an earlier time of discord that is capturing the heart of the protest movement. NPR's? Ada Peralta has the story. Everyone was stunned when the late great Sudanese singer Mohamed douar, the brought ignore song performance space at the Hague. It usually took the years to compose a song yet this one he'd written tricky..
"wade robson" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
"Receiving gifts from the singer Wade Robson now thirty six says it was like a dream out of all the kids in the world. He chose me to be his friend Robson and safe Chuck both say they loved Michael Jackson. They also claim he sexually molested them for years. Michael Jackson's family says they're lying. Here's his brother. Jackie Jackson on NBC's today. Life that isn't that Michael Jackson. I know who he was. Would ever do that to end in its lawsuit against HBO? The Michael Jackson estate calls leaving Neverland one-sided and a posthumous character assassination. The lawsuit also points out that Wade Robson once testified under oath that Jackson never sexually abused him. And he was so strong and his defense of Michael Jackson and so convincing. So I called him as my first witness, Tom mezro was Michael Jackson's lead attorney when he was charged with multiple counts of child sexual abuse in two thousand and three Jackson was acquitted on all counts. Mezro says he's appalled that Robson is doing an about-face, especially since Jackson isn't here to defend himself, his reputation being sullied like this so many years after not only as acquittal, but his death. I find very repulsive Wade Robson and James safe track alleged that when they were kids Jackson told them to never tell anyone about the sexual nature of their. Relationships. Dan, read the director of leaving never land says he hopes viewers will be receptive to their stories. Otherwise, we'll never understand Charles actually be some will never be able to keep our children safe. Oprah winfrey. Herself a child sexual abuse survivor interviewed read safe Chuck and Robson for a special that will follow the conclusion of leaving Neverland. She says this moment transcends, Michael Jackson. If the film gets the audience to see how child sexual abuse happens. She says than some good will come of it. Elizabeth Blair NPR news..
"wade robson" Discussed on Double Toasted
"Now. Now, that's on them wax, w I'm like, no this shit. Ski ball. Laters? And then we. Life. Can you? Why? What? Yeah. Exactly. Why do we have a what do you have a wax dummy of a conductor in your house? Somebody's so close together to. This is like a nightmares. Grandma's house. Most. Could you no a million? Get some water you walk around this. All right, go pet. The Llamas bag on TV. You got to get some water. Michael Jackson bit. Help you. Yeah. Wait for me. I'm not again. I'm not I don't know. What happened? We can't say. Yeah. I mean, you know, we I mean, we'll see the documentary, and I'm sure they'll have a lot because they've had time to compile a lot and. Somebody may be convinced. I mean. Yeah. This whole thing with with this. Wade Robson wanna call them Wilson. Also. You know, it it certainly it certainly murky, but. We see a lot of documentaries and we've seen how manipulative they can be. I'm not saying this is, but they can't be and especially a lot of times. I'm watching them to see cannot spot the agenda of the filmmaker. And if this one is fair and presents both sides. I appreciate that. It's just it's gonna come from one side. And we're in a position where the other side of the person who could defend themselves is gone. Yeah. That's that's a that's a huge point here. Because as you know after even after even after the incident with the the movie and all this stuff. I mean way robes still remained highly complimentary loving of Michael Jackson's another letter here of the last time, I saw him was in July two thousand eight I was in Vegas working on a show, and he was living there me and my wife and him in his three kids had a barbecue. It was the most thing in the world me and my wife had been to whole foods. And and bought stuff to cook. But when we got there he provided loads of catering, I said, dude, why did you bring? To. He said why did you bring loads of catering we've got regular food here. I remember cooking outside with Michael sat there under an umbrella. We had great times because he was such a caring person. He put that in me little letter. Most of all our missed those phone conversations. I still have my mobile phone with his number on it. I just can't bear the thoughts of deleting messages. And that goes on actually, and it ends on a very emotional mostly high note in the most positive way again, I'm not trying to sit up here. You know, blame the victim Arteta's got part because I got some love for Michael Jackson. I don't wanna see him. You know? I don't wanna see my memories tarnished. But there's doubt there, you know, when that has stuff views, it's confusing. Yeah. And you know. And here's an here's the big. Here's the biggest thing, man. This. Why say is important what you said about. Not being here to defend himself because he. Right after Michael dies. You know, he says a few nice things. And all of a sudden. Oh shit. I remember. Oh, yeah. He molested, and you know, what for my my stress. I want one point six billion. I want one point six billion dollars. Now, I'm looking at this from the sun, they got they're gonna have listed as one point two billion. But they say way ropes with who had previously sued Jackson's estate for one point two billion dollars over the Beauce beaches, a new film, leaving Neverland where he tells his tragic story anytime money's probably, you know, not because I want to help other people are the victims. Yeah. Who might wanna come forward? No. What I what I want? I want money one point two billion pounds. Yes. 'cause had right? Yeah. You're right. Yeah. You're right. You're right. It. Yeah. It it certainly it it muddies the waters all that much more. But here's something else to as far as money things..
"wade robson" Discussed on KCRW
"Abused until much later after he died. What did they think was happening? Well, it's it's so interesting to hear the two of them and they talk separately on their not on screen at the same time. And and both of them really the way they describe it is because they were so young. They just thought it was the play just play acting with their friend, Michael Jackson. That's the way these were describe it in. So the sort of horrific details we here in the movie because they were kids. They just didn't know better. They just thought it was like what you did. Or how you expressed affection for someone who told them that he loved them and consider them so close and another thing that of comes on the film when you hear these these two men talk is that Michael Jackson, according to them really create an idea that he was the only person that they could trust that they couldn't trust their parents at the outside world they shouldn't trust. They only trust him. And so he kind of created this cocoon around these young. Boys where the felt sort of safe, and they felt sort of loved and they felt special. That's something that they talk about this idea of Michael Jackson made them feel special. And so because of that they didn't think of what was happening to them has abuse. They didn't have even the like the language to sort of process. I it was only after the fact when these other accusations from other people in the court cases came up that they started to slowly realize, wait a second. And it's it's quite shocking. When you watch the film because you see these men as adults trying to sort of explain the childhood kind of mindset, and one of the things I think that the film does really really well is that. I think a lot of times when we think of or hear stories about abuse. We wonder people will sometimes wonder there was so long ago. Why didn't they know better? Or why didn't they speak up or why didn't they say anything? And I think that among the other great things leaving Neverland. Does it really gives these men and the people like their family members the room to talk about not realizing and not being aware or more importantly after the fact feeling like I can't talk about these things. I don't know how to you know, they feel this mixture of shame and guilt in the parents are also interviewed right? What did they say about this? Because by all accounts, they also trusted Michael Jackson with their with their boys. Yeah. I mean, both of the guys mom's talk on camera as well. And you know, they're adults when their kids reserve Brian to Michael Jackson's world, and in both cases. I think the moms really don't like this is an amazing opportunity. Michael Jackson is this beloved star has such love for his fans. He you know, he so sweet he's so childlike himself. And so you really through the mom's perspective get us understanding of how Michael Jackson really kind of alert people in his world. And then work his way into kind of isolating the kids from their parents. They would we hear stories about Michael Jackson would would hang out with the kids, and they'd have sleepovers, but the parents would be in another room or if they were in a hotel the different floor of the hotel, Michael Jackson. With Michael Jackson. And that would be okay. Yeah. And because the things that's so interesting is that you'll hear these stories about, you know, there'd be explanations. Like, well, you know, unfortunately, Michael Jackson can get we can get enough room. So that the right next to each other. But don't worry is it just one four way like that. And because it is harder thing from our modern perspective to watch and think how could you how could you not have been more suspicious? Yeah. And and they are wrestling with us right now. They are both of them are really kind of devastated by what they didn't do and what they didn't think about. But the both come across both mothers as intelligent people who just simply didn't suspect anything because their kids never said anything. They never thought. Wait, a second what's going on? And even when story started to come out of other people, alleging sexual abuse. They would ask their kids or they would kinda wonder Alek known that never Michael Jackson never did anything like that to me. Again, one of the things that is just crushing in the in the film is that both of these moms. They're never going to be able to forgive themselves. And the way they talk about it in the film. You also go on this journey with these these moms who are initially just so excited. You're Wade Robson one of the two men he was an aspiring dancer, and when he was on stage, you know, Michael Jackson Brom onstage as a young kid to. All the different like, Michael Jackson moves. You know that mom felt like this is his hero. This is a dream come true. And now only years later, you realize that all these terrible things that happened. So the moms were were part of that world, but you know, Michael Jackson had the ability to keep the families separated. So that they didn't know what was going on. Well, so the family as I said earlier is really pushing back hard on this saying that it's a lynching that these guys are just after money. That's everything's not true is any of that their side is that dealt with at all in the documentary. There is a little bits. Wade Robson who I mentioned before he during one of the Michael Jackson trials was a defense witness and said, you know, nothing ever happened to me because at that point you really didn't think that what had happened to him was abuse. And and in that trial. Michael Jackson was cleared. You ask. Correct. And we Robson talks about the fact that coming to the realization that he was going to have to talk about this. And and tell the world that these accusations and bringing them out to the world that people were gonna think a changing his story or he just wants money. So there's a little bit of that. I would I would say is that you know, documentaries are not criminal court cases. You know, there's not evidence in court. But even if to be completely cynical if only fifty percent of what these two men talk about is true. And the other fifty percent is not true. That fifty percent. That is true. Is damning enough the way these two men sort of detail. And have these stories about their relationship with Michael Jackson? How it sort of went over a span of years, it's incredibly convincing. It's really really hard to dispute. Well, Tim, thank you very much. Thank you, Tim Gerson. He's senior US critic for screen international and also vice president of the Los Angeles film. Critics association HBO will air leaving Neverland in March. Well, speaking of HBO, let's look at how the inventor of prestige television is doing these days now that it's owned by AT and T and now that it's facing stiff competition from net flicks, Amazon and others so well HBO become a content factory to compete joy press read about this for Vanity Fair where she's TV correspondent. Hi there. Hi melan. Well, one of the AT and T executives apparently said in a closed-door meeting with HP employees that he wants more content out of HBO. What did he mean? And what was the reaction? Well, I think that that meeting was sort of leaked selectively. And when we had the bigger bigger picture, you know, he also I think tried to. Be reassuring that he wanted HBO to do what they what they did bast which was to make really high quality television. The the question is whether you can do both can you make a lot more television. And also make it really really good because HBO's modus operandi has always been to spend a lot of time and attention developing their shows, they're not just sort of throwing things at the wall. So there's definitely a kind of intrinsic contrast in in those expectations. But you know, I think HBO knows this situation thing know that they're up against a lot of stiff competition from from the streamers, and they are sort of preparing to to make more content. If not, you know, anywhere as much as as you know, a net flex and yet HBO is profitable. Right. It's probably one of the if not the most profitable cable television. Work. So what's the problem? Like, why mess with it? Well, you know, we're in an environment. Where we have these great big streamers we have net flex we have Amazon prime you have on all kinds of other big players entering the marketplace. And in the next year, you've got Disney you've got apple you've got all kinds of competition. So the question is how is this model going to shift, and and how is HBO going to be able to keep up with it? But you know, one one of the things that happened when the new Warner media on CEO sort of made those statements was are real kind of panic went through the industry, and I think among TV fans and critics because no one wants to see HBO kind of downgrade the quality that we've we've become accustomed to from them. And so in your reporting, what kinds of changes are they mulling? Well, I think that they've been mulling these changes for a while because it's been clear for a while that you know, they would need to be doing more programming and to be honest. I think they wanted to do more programming a lot of it was they were, you know, under very tight reigns at Time Warner, and there was a very tight budget. So you know, they've been planning how they were going to sort of gradually step up their original scripted programming for a while. And they talked about I think this year, you know, moving from like one hundred to one hundred and fifty hours which doesn't sound like a lot in the face of like, a Netflix, which is throwing you know, hundreds of shows into the marketplace. But if you look at the fact that a show like game of thrones or a show like Westworld that took four years to make that show happen and even shows smaller shows like insecure or girls, go through just an enormous kind of development process. And so they have to. Figure out a way to make that process a little bit faster. They're hiring more people. And I don't think that they are planning to become a superstar in the way that some of these other outlets are, but they are definitely hoping to create a Naf regular content. That is, you know, exciting enough that in the streaming world people will not unsubscribe after they after they've watched you know, game of thrones, they want it. They need to have enough. Great shows out there that it becomes a must see that you, you know, you just don't ever want to unsubscribe does that mean, they would take fewer risks. Would they go more with established show runners back? The David fincher is of the world rather than taking a risk on an unknown or reboot. Something that was a success in the past things like that. That is really the big question. And and that's the thing that they're going to have to balance..