20 Episode results for "Wade Miley"

The Exit

Around the Horn

21:50 min | 1 year ago

The Exit

"The World Series game three as the Astros make a complete mess of everything warriors crandall putting Grange San Francisco and we're going to need a formula for their what magic he's like yeah what do you want from me I would assume that really diminished the astros in a big way I'm I'm concerned about that cranky this is the guy that gave up six runs thanks to the pretty average Tampa Bay raved offense and has not looked good since he's actually been quite pedestrian but it doesn't matter who's on the mound for the Astros on more concerned about the I believe that there for you a front office in Lotion it's a little here's one they can't fix that has been talked about that much Wade Miley was their third best starter most of the year and he would be pitching some of these games he was thirteen early tonight and this weekend in Washington Clinton trust the baseball playing Astros grinky versus Sanchez. You Trust the bullpen tomorrow against Gordon steaks and they'll take care of fastballs but I think he's going to be in a position where he's going to pitch well that's going to be the difference in the game since June first and you brought this up the at the end of August he had such a terrible September he's not even on the world series roster that elevated Greeky that created the need for these Bullpen Games which they'll have tomorrow night he throws a lot of junk up there I think that will be difficult for the Astros to Hick they're much more of a fast ball hitting as you said Homerun they'll take care of me already more and you gotta go to tender rainy that gets dicey because of the corporate situation pitching wise I think grinky is going to be good however that's hitting the ball incredibly so that's all the really matters they've won eighteen in the last twenty the astros struggle to hit against Tampa Bay they struggled with men on in position throughout the playoffs those things they can roy I think it's GonNa even out and being at home page speaking couldn't is going to be the biggest factor I think this is a Washington monumental game that's a good game based on what during the postseason Moore's Greeky shown us I mean really throughout the so I'm not I'm not putting any faith in him Sanchez has pitched in awhile yeah I mean really when you think about that was good there Tony did you have a situation I think where you talk about Greeky you nights for the Houston Astros Sean Anybody Wilder Doubt Oh two and your two cy youngs just lost and you're hitting one seventy six with runners in scoring position Monday Clinton Yates are we talking about the world series champion Washington nationals. I can't believe I'm saying this allowed but I absolutely believe doc anything when scoring position they're getting less than two hundred however the NFL Sanchez situation difficult he dazzled in Saint Louis you can't expect to have a no hit scenario going through that infield back in terms of trade turner and don't they became the team that everybody thought they were going to be in the beginning of the season I look the problem with the Astros they're only getting runs via home run there we've never seen before firing assistant GM in the middle of a world series it's devastating it's not it's not something I wish on anybody have you personally reached out to apologize to any of the women who are directly impacted by this I have not I've been some of you would call a must win even though it's not elimination game for the Astros but then the game comes back tomorrow Saturday and then there's another game Sunday game five by the time we come back a better team and we've seen so many times baseball history the hotter team wins out in anything you want to add to that yeah I mean look in Houston they got the game they weren't supposed to get the national said Plaskitt question mark it's over okay is that what you're saying you're you're trying to call Clinton Yates Bill we'll get all that on Monday that's the baseball bats have gone incredibly cold there eight for sixty three with runners in scoring position since that's not great the astros have the better roster but they have not been still be hanging over Washington a little bit we all know about their bullpen issues which had been a factor in the first two games came close in game one game two is such a blow out point if you look at it now what Tom and did and said in an emotional outburst after the game as horrible as that was that's not as bad as the Astros initial response which was completely discredit sports illustrated and talk about fabrication and then hours later say we hadn't talked to everybody at that and you're on the road at Washington lost eight games and get a big boost from the Chad Cordero first pitch tonight let's put the Front Office to the side for a second will address that in a moment able to do pretty much what they wanted I think they'll need a bullpen a good bullpen tonight and tomorrow night to really take control of one of those weird situations we got a game tonight game three which Hendrick he's done everything right it's kind of unbelievable big shot and everyone else gets one word or fewer Kaplan yes or no on the world series nationals on Monday traveling up here we've been to have a pretty tough conversation this morning with someone that's worked with me for a long time so but I but I will I'm and now we have and now we're offering this pretty lame apology so there's other people still involved in whether you call it a cover up or just that it's not just the better team right now but the better team the better team right now in the better team in general once they got the left side nationals have been a better team than the Astros for five months of college so I think the mets are the better team over the last did I can say there are few people who work harder and we're diligently than her she deserves the professional courtesy back as Tim said plenty of time to make a five minute phone call that won't derail your day rid of getting rid of Todman as far as he's been traveling giving they don't have a rotary another plane is that really a good excuse for not being able to communicate with people at this rebel initial response that I think need to be at least accounted for namely capping your view of it I'm friends with Stephanie Epstein I was colleagues with Steph at sports illustrated commissioned name here Jim Crane where have you been these the odor of the franchise have we heard any comment any response any they were stuck in traffic on the way here but look they thought they were getting ahead of MLB investigation by firing Todman did their investigation on Tuesday and Wednesday and ruin people I don't idiot action whatsoever taken beyond firing the guy that did it but what about the other people you suspended General Majer the owner comes out issues it apology and you hire some really really smart people and the team goes from one hundred losses to one hundred wins all of a sudden they're smarter than every organization in sports and they start to be I'm into their computer and now they're on the other end and this is more I think this is more outrageous and what happened in and they're acting arrogant they're acting like Oh beginning you were saying Oh sports illustrated got wrong. This shouldn't be the Indian until it's settled their consequences sometimes to success and I think Major League Baseball continues to investigate remember a few years ago when the Astros were all over the cardinals about getting into their fouling sister baseball I mean this is during the World Series Baseball has astros issue with the angels there's an investigation with the DA in this room just like I don't wish any of you to be standing up here have an answer these questions either this all those devastating moments with this too to discredit and create a smear campaign against US reporter and I'm also disappointed by the fact that four three days the only person of leadership who's answering to this with Aj hinch all over the proceedings it was awkward people were talking about the company in the world series it certainly affected the vibe in that building but overall I'm going to the comments it was targeted verbal attack second as reporter Hazel May pointed out sports illustrated's seventy APPS team was in the room at that moment tempted fired we need to get to how the astros have completely botched this the fact that he felt empowered enough even make comments have begin with that's the scary part and that's what I'm still thinking to myself what's going on in their franchise yes and wants to auto has a twenty first birthday on was it exactly one word Bill allowed cal show baseball left to be played a thank you page playing astros the non baseball playing this decision making Astros and whether you trust them now where the baseball should trust them in their decision making Jeff Llanell's press conference yesterday that way and carry themselves that way and they you know they'll they'll they'll obstruct Detroit reporter from go into the clubhouse because Verlinden doesn't like him and they'd be maybe hear from them firesale right now after this break right now after this break short we'll do by herself GEICO presents Breath Monster Counseling Dracula tell me how you're feeling no one understands how known Levi's no one will even let me into their house I knock knock but the fix that it goes far beyond firing one page it's outrageous this can't be the conclusion to it they've got to be more suspensions even filings and order me what else I look in the mirror it don't even see myself anymore if you don't see yourself clearly can you really manager who had nothing to do with it that's the whole point you put other people in the franchise and I wonder if there's any of this filter down to the players as well this is happening during the world series so look Davey Martinez his press all the buttons when he was doubted all season he's on everything right in terms of getting into the last last series and in terms of putting guys like Howard Joseph that's what makes this just so unprecedented you WanNa last word here yeah I was just GonNa say the unfortunate part is that because of all this passing the buck and the shell game a lot of people don't actually in game one game two was a little bit more expected considering it was Strasbourg I mean they are really behind the APL here the Stroz are this is yet to go on the road there expect others to I'm having a breakthrough it's not easy to be a vampire but with gyco it's super easy to switch and save hundreds on your car insurance welcome back is the Yankees of ninety six and there was the mets eighty six the last two you have to go back thirty years to have two teams have come back Tim do you want to last for the warn you know I just think the one thing that save like they really invented baseball in the Astros need to figure out that they really the one thing they have in apologize for is the reaction the way they acted so emotionally I should be over there I think that emily should continue this on because there's a lot of people who should answer to this embarrassment and disappointment when you you're going to tell you in Houston there was a definite got out there tonight which is going to happen again I mean this is not you know not a one off it's this is this is the reality this is the reality Brandin Tommy having that press conference answer all your questions and allow the Astros in baseball to move on from this no it answered one of the big ones at the start has been around great team he's coached grade teams he knows with isn't it there are nine players on this roster born nineteen ninety-six or later he says what he paid buy or sell that reality by his reality check he realizes that's the most points at Steve Kerr's ever given up obviously it's great to have dynamic rotation we would all be awesome but right now we're young and we're learning and we need a Clinton Yates your reality check players would he they lost it situation in the first quarter not not to over overdo everything here and then really in the fourth quarter couldn't put it together when Jaanus is out of the Game Tim what do you by yourself down Oracle last rights and then he baptize chase or the clippers who you thought they would be couldn't absolutely I think the clippers are going to have a better regular Buying that little conversation is going to be carried on throughout the season I'm buying Mike Antoni hands full it's an odd mix around the war and brought to you by shakes coming to you from the seaport district here seventeen one forty one warriors one ninety percent of the coaches it's one game the clippers are a great team will be fine I I by Steve I say this is reality and he knows the happens teams get old exchange this is back to Kaplan that wasn't just speaking in the first person that was nine I firmly Kaplan quite shut drop-off after curry and Draymond and they don't even really know what de Ngelo Russell will be for that the the drop off after those three is huge they used to be a team when they were great beyond as a coach playhouse regular season to see that the opening fourteen I'm watching and I'm going what in the world has happened to the warriors that's the player and with the crisis in America and the ratings were this world series down as well right now baseball's keeping an eye on all of it for sure at some point the big four they had a terrific bench they have no bench and and the clippers showed that lamb lead the reality for the warriors now is what luck Steve Kerr season where he goes forty six forty eight minutes without scoring a point I'm going to make a bold prediction here

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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn Travis and LZ HR4

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

26:41 min | 2 years ago

ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn Travis and LZ HR4

"We did it again ki- Lucy. Happy birthday, Chuck Berry ninety. What. Ninety two years old ninety two. All right. This Little Richard. Chuck mary. All right. Well, he's gonna do along with the man. All right, let's try it. Toby, Chris, tell me again, I know the city. I don't know the guy. It's rained on my brag. Paris, Greg, good morning. How are you? Greg calling from Paris. I'm awesome. Now I'm awesome. Francais. Oh, really? Was I can what's going call Yar I'm hoping seven. You are sailing. Do you know what it means? Do you not means? Yeah, no, exactly. Tell me I'm going to Laker games where. The game. I in a suite in a suite that part. You're gonna Laker game in a suite in who are you bringing with? You know, I'm definitely agreeing the life that. Okay. Definitely bring the life of white would have it. No other way. So you bring into this game? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, I don't wanna get a divorce. So you call it a username, Michael. Then that'll be for the other never mind. Congratulations. Greg. Enjoy the hayme Saturday night. The rockets in a suite, Greg and his wife will be there because they were caller number seven after the magic sounder. Thanks. Awesome. Little Richard. I can't believe fell into my trap like, you know what? Man, I really wasn't paying attention to the voice. Just sound like Chuck Berry sounded saying it all kind of. I can't say that. Right. Oh, you say say it sounds same. They already know else's birthday. It is who John Claude van Damme. So I'm going to commercial blood sport or something like that. He made a move. He just steals commercial commercial yet. So you some tortillas odd. Like the fake Arnold. Schwarzenegger was the one where he is kicking the pillar and the dust was coming down. He thought that guy what. What. Something like that. The raiders yesterday, at least Jon Gruden said that they're not tanking. Right. We're not saying you think you think I get up every morning, four o'clock, come in here and not win game. He tried that whole thing to see if people were going to buy it. I don't think the tanking distinct that he put a team together as God awful, and he didn't do it delivery to lose games. He did it to try to say, I'm smart and what I'm doing and it's backfiring on him. And so people are looking at it and saying that he's tanking because they're not very good first part. Yes. Second part, no, yes. He did what you described, but the reason he did it is because he needs everyone out that could possibly have steel in some of his shine. If in fact the raiders get, but he didn't do that in within mine of tanking. Sure. He did. He had to get him out. No, absolutely. I you on the same page with Gruden, but there's, no, you can't. Honestly tell me the Jon Gruden thought they'd be a better team without Khalil Mack. It's impossible to believe it's not impossible leave if you're believing it if you so wrapped up in your own. Itself. I don't wanna say delusional but wrapped up in your own self and you believe which selling other people, and you really good salesman his believe what they sell it, right. I mean, they really, they buy into it. No good salesman makes you believe what they're sitting by, but they gotta buy into what they sell to make you believe it's a good product and that's what he did. He tricked himself the believe it getting rid of Khalil Mack, everybody would say how great I am. Hey, how great of a genius I am. And at the same time, everybody would say that Khalil or I'm hoping that Khalil Mack doesn't turn out to be the Khalil Mack. The ways plan now, because then I would look great by getting rid of him. That is the way he thinks trust me, we had coached. We coach Dungy here earlier and Koji said it would never get rid of Khalil now. No, he understands that. Don't you even told you co Dungy is said to us. I wasn't a problem. No set you Keyshawn man. He wasn't a pro, but Jon Gruden wants people to believe that things are the problem. Not him. He's the problem. Jon Gruden I agree with that part. Jon Gruden wants credit in. Here's the important part no matter what. So what what what has to happen is I believe the Jon Gruden knows Khalil Mack, a great football player that Jon Gruden believes that trading Khalil Mack away was going to in the short term, make the raiders a worse football team. What he's betting on is that all of that is less important than I need to in. This is where I think you agree with me. I need to service my own ego to the point of I can't because the worst thing that can happen for Jon Gruden is, hey, look at the raiders are pretty good, and you know why they're pretty good because Khalil Mack skin after. He can't do it would he needs is, hey, you know what? The raiders are pretty good and you either good is because Jon Gruden built this team from scratch. All that is what he's doing. So it's not taking were I'm trying to lose, but I need to get rid of anything that could get any shine. Therefore, I need to go all the way down before I can come back up. That is that is correct in a sense, but he didn't think that the team would be one in five in would be losing close games in getting blew out by Seattle because Khalil Mack wasn't on the team. He never ever in his wildest dreams and imagination thought that he thought the rhythm so win. He thought that getting Jordy Nelson, this is highly thinks Jordy. Nelson is still good. I'm gonna show you. Joy. Nelson is good. Even Green Bay like minutes. Do can't play no more. He's going to prove to you that Jordy Nelson is good, and I'm getting rid of Crabtree. He's going to prove to you that my defense Castillo still get to the quarterback, even though Khalil Mack Chicago. Oh, he wants to prove to you those sorts of things along the way they go one and five along the way. He has no other choice now, but to become wholesale because he's out of that brings to this. The idea of you have no other choice they we're going into week seven. The raiders are on a by this week, but as we sit right now, the raiders comes in a great time as a twenty. They've twenty percent chance of getting the number one, pick a twenty percent chance. Yeah, that's really good that second best in the league only the cardinals have a better chance of thirty three percent right now. They're gonna play each other later in the year. Those divisions play if that's good. That's the reason is good for the raiders is because they have this draft is heavy on the defensive side of the ball at all. There's no real well, you got it Oliver, you got a machine, Gary, you got Nick bolsa greedy Williams you got, but he plays gotta get somebody that can get to the quarterback. I mean, he's been saying all along. I got a guy who find guys then that's all in Bosa. So it would seem like an at this point, you're one in six, you're not gonna wanna five. The raiders. You're not going to the playoffs. You're not winning the division Kansas City's five and one San Diego's four and to your one in fort you're not going anywhere toast. You're toast at this point. Aren't you kind of saying, you know what? I got that pick is far more important than going going to and fourteen and getting the pick is a more productive way than going seven, eight or five? Thirteen thirteen. Yeah. No, there's no question about it, but you're at a position now where. Each train guys that don't fit. It's all about you. Gotta remember, man, it's all about the eagle with him is not about the picking in the tanking because he thinks at thirteen he smart and a you picking at thirteen. No, he really, I believe really believes that I agree with you on that really believes that he just that's who he is. He thinks he's smarter than everybody. That's why he's doing what he's doing, and that's why they are were they are. The problem is the only person else that believes that smart Davis, Mark Davis believes it, Mark Davis, just put in a position. We can't do anything about it. You gave now much power to one man, but he must have believed it to give them all that money and power in the first place man do in this in this business you could be so you can be sold in this business. I don't know how you could be sold on that because, and you know this better than anybody. John gruden's career in the NFL was pretty mediocre, a special sit in a room for several hours and I'm continuing to blame haven't got hill right here. That's going to sell you. Yes, then that means that Mark Davis is he's. He didn't say Mark Davis was, I didn't say, say, wasn't nuts. If if I'm sitting in a room and I'm selling alone my agent consistently telling you that university Tennessee wants to hire someone solely. Near sucker. I was once told by Bill Parcells many years many, many years ago when I asked him, why does he continue to keep coaching? He says these owners, you know, these owners, all they care about is winning and they'll pay any type of money for guy to come in, they think can help them win. You can't help you win. Bill Parcells creek council tried the rope, a dope against the dodgers yesterday and didn't work. We'll talk about it. Next happy data, Chuck Berry berry. Thought I'd try get this HR Tim -tations or something. What is the four tops. What is this. Four and five win fire. It's like the four tops. I think our temptations or some temptation. Yeah, temptations. Thought it could get, you know, you can't give me this is closer to meet in the Chuck Berry stuff. So weird. Weird start to the game yesterday when the brewers had Wade Miley start day, had their left-hander come out, which of course means that the dodgers are going to go with predominantly right handed hitting lineup to try and counter program. The left-hander Wade Miley comes out. He starts the game pitches to one guy throws five pitches and they take them out of the game. They bring in Brandon Woodruff who is a right hander try to little okeydoke switcheroo whatever it felt like just a step too. Cute. I understand it. I understand the gamesmanship I understand trying to get Dave Roberts, maybe take some guys out of the game at worked. If you wanted to get David freeze out of the game. Congratulations use exceeded. But it felt like the almost tipping point for analytics where you're just getting a little overly cute. It did get overly crew. Cute. It did not work out the way at the envisioned it. They still lost a game and. You know, I don't really understand the unwritten rules and all that baseball because they change them seem like every every damn game is something else in ending any. Oh, you can't slide, can't do this. You try to tap TOA guy who's on the bag and all this, but it's okay for manager to play okeydoke gains with the other manager in their line-up court Ida. I've never seen it before the first time I ever seen it. I didn't understand it because at the time that I was headed to the game mean headed to watch the game, I didn't get there was a new pitcher. So by the time I got from the new pitch, I'm like, they chased him. They chased him out that fast pitches. What happened? He walked guy, they're not having it. So originally, I thought, okay, they're not playing around. He walked to do today out, but then come to learn. You know a few minutes later that they was doing this basically to play the games and Doak in John's lowlights. John's who's been, you know, John Smoltz. We all know who he is an even. He at the beginning like, wait what? Oh, it. It took everybody a half a second to figure out what they were doing. And once they did it kinda made sense it just like you said, it didn't work. It didn't catch Dave Roberts by surprise areas talking about the whole Miley for one batter deal. Obviously, our lineup today was different than the other lineup when we face Miley. So you know, you got to prepare for the unexpected. So I like where we were at, Dave Roberts probably had that Moe's like, wait, they're going to pitch you from, oh, they're going to pitch him in game, six, fine, fine. I'm going to keep rolling my team. I'm gonna keep doing what I do and it didn't catch him off guard. Yeah, because he probably not that he knew it was coming. But once he realized, oh, this is what he's doing. It wasn't that impactful? No, it wasn't, but they thought it would be. They actually thought it would be impactful because obviously, you know, they're down at our last however many people left in the dugout, then you have to start rotating and pulling them in and move into your lineup accord around again. So they thought that that was going to be effective and it did not turn out the way to envision. I'm going to sound like an old man here for half a second it. It wouldn't be hard. It just sounds so stupid that we, we need to get back to some sense of these are my eight best guys. I'm gonna play these guys, whether it's a left hand or right hander and I understand the dodgers matchup and they play the match game, but dude game's been going on for years. This isn't. This isn't. We've got openers to. Now we've got a guy that literally pitch to one hitter that it's I understand. It's been, hey, it's the sixth inning. I got a left handed batter coming up. He's hitting my right handed pitcher. Okay. East to do, and then it got to the point where we do that twice in an inning, and then it got to wherever you inning, you're mixing and matching now support. We're letting guy pitch one batter. Yeah, links. That's what y'all too much. But that's what benching. Iraj analytics. They shift the shift infield take everybody, move them all over to the right field. They're going to fix. Everybody goes stand near. They're gonna fix that. Seriously. They have to fix that. But that's the defensive game. People seem to think that works based on the numbers that some little dude of stairs glasses tell them to do. It does work. I mean, I guess if they didn't work, it didn't work. When was it? Buehler? Was it? Who was it? Cody Bellinger who was over? I feel somebody did work up one. Nothing works one hundred percent of the time, but it works more often than it doesn't work. So they do it. Yeah, that that that's how it's going to be. It's going to be a situation where it baseball's going to have games that are played two to one over and over and over again, you're going to have to, you'd have to sit a rule where you can only have x. amount of guys on one side of the field. Why? Why is that bother you? Because I wanna see runs. It's not good look for the game. Okay, but okay, so it's a changing lineup card. Good. Look for the game, the other it. Okay. You a baseball guy. Y'all supposedly for the for the grim Lynn's over money I wished hit the gremlins would have had a team. I would've liked to play for the growth baseball, cold, all that sort of stuff. Everybody's screaming hollers about that, but then they do this and it seems to be okay. Like to one one is little move to try to win a game. The the larger conversation is, do we wanna watch baseball where no one's on base where no one can score run in less. You hit it over the fence that I it. That's the conversation that needs to take that that'll happen down the road. What happens next is game six in Milwaukee against Wade Miley who's gonna start back to back games and the dodgers are in a great spot. They only need to win want it to. I would suggest very, very strongly. They take care of business tomorrow because you don't want to go into a one game situation with the kid. Pitcher game seven is not in in the ideal situation for the dodgers they look and get it over with and game six view be on the mound tomorrow. All in, like you say, they'll be going up against the pitcher at it. Technically, if you wanna call it back to back seat, aren't great and game too. I mean, you know, Miley pitched really well in game two in, I'm sure they feel good about him pitching really well and game six. But the problem is, is our bats are alive now. That's that's. I believe they're not home run stuff that you want the bats or live singles, stolen bases, advancing runners that's alive to me in week. They'll do that again tomorrow night. They're going to do exactly what they've been doing in. They didn't change what they went about their approach. They still struck out twelve times in eight innings, twelve times in eight innings. That's a ton, and it wasn't it. They were in there stuck out this same guys that have been striking out the whole time the same guys that struck out seventeen times the night before what happened was is code to hit on the few times. They did make contact. They happen to land in places where no one's standing. That was the only difference they didn't on the air. Hit, but you're change their approach. They didn't change their approach. They went after the exact same way. The result was different, but the approach was exactly the same. How was it a pro same result because ever swing in the bats the exact swing in order to get a hit. You gotta swing the bat, get stand up there and hold a bet. This is right. This is impossible. I think you're right. Yeah. Drives you and convince me. Yeah, me. I'm gonna get a hit by just standing up there do now. You've got to swing the bat to favor just you don't have to say it for anybody. Listen, just wink and let me know that you're kidding. That your kid we've been doing this show for three hours thirty nine thirty nine minutes and fifteen minutes. I don't think you'll get it. Just just let me know. Just just I three hours thirty nine minutes. Honestly, think that they understood that the home run ball is not going to win them to gain. So you figure like Dave Roberts because they kept striking out, obviously game before seventeen twelve times seventeen times the game before in eighteen innings. But is that swing foot offenses or taking pitches that you'd probably should be swinging at taking swinging for the fences you offensive? Yes. See, I think you get a couple of foul balls. You take a pitch that you shouldn't be taken a wide striking out. Run the triple drill and good bunting. Well, Kershaw did a good job on the trip. Kershaw looked like he was about to die. When he went, I third than they didn't send going around happy birthday to Chuck Berry do what he plays whenever Kershaw pitches. Tammy wynette. You like Tammy, Wynette key. I've never heard her. You've heard this song. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because of all the way through I'm giving you credit Kershaw got to third and look like he wasn't what a great lead. Third base next to fake. Like he had a good league. He was trying not to have a heart attack just root from first to third on the on the ball and the gap. But I think though an series, the dodgers can continue to do what they did yesterday pitch will by creating some office runs as well. Then you'll get review and six innings or so. Then you can go to buy is you can go my my Dan, if you bring somebody else in at that point get to kenley, then I think that that will be what you need to do to move onto. I'm claiming Boston and right now because they're up three one just. The boat Boston road trip to Boston, win win. Does that series? Will it actually what's the date. Probably middle of next week, Wednesday series game sevens. Middle of next week, what she go get ready. Got someone layaway out there. All right. Yeah. Unlike yellow cheese had the, he's going to win the MVP. He's been pretty good. That's our. It would be the biggest threat. We figured one through three that would be Kane, yelich and Brahm the biggest threat to dodgers pitcher, it's actually been six, seven, eight going last night's game. They were hitting three sixty eight and had most of the rivers and home runs. It's almost relaxed little bit after you get through that bronze been good yelich what is what is one fifty so far? Spent one fifty three for twenty. All right. So tonight in Portland LeBron makes his debut regular season debut as a member of the dodgers in Vegas has are the Lakers I should say Vegas has the Lakers with an over under win total of forty eight and key. Now we're talking about seems load in the. I still think the Lakers are somewhere around fifty. They got the best player in the league. And this is a team that when thirty five last year, but they didn't have LeBron they didn't have Lonzo for thirty of those games. Ingram abetter coups Moby better. I think they go over the forty eight at first glance. Yeah, you say that slow specially when LeBron team, and I told you when LeBron's I went to the Cavs the first time it was a plus twenty. When he first went to the heat, they were plus eleven to the cast the second time to replace eighteen but put that in perspective. One reason that might be so low tonight's game in Portland, right? You looked at at that schedule. Okay, man, Pama going good. Start their underdogs the the Trump lasers are three point favorite, right? So the same Vegas that gave you those numbers of forty eight or saying game like today in the west, and this is the difference we talk about going up to Portland place. They've had issues with they are underdogs now three point, seven tonic a lot, but Vegas smart money is saying, hey, they are not expected to win this game. Yeah, I think the number though you go back, you said, what was it plus eighteen for went back to the Cavs the second time. Second time, if member my photogenic memory. Looks by the way. Ted fantastic falling on Instagram, but I think that's more Representative of what we're gonna get rather than when he went to Miami and they went plus eleven because with plus eleven. This was a team that had doing way this is a team that was not a team that was a bad basketball team, the Lakers one thirty five games last year. That's not that's well under five hundred. I think it's more similar to what he did when you saw. In Cleveland where they had a great player and Kyrie, but the team was not good at all. Not good at all. I think this is what the Lakers are, where they have some very good pieces. The rest of it, they went and fixed the rest of the with guys, like McGee guys like Rondo. I think it's going to be a much bigger job. I don't think it's going to be a subtle, five, six, eight game jump. I think it's going to be closer to that twelve fifteen or higher. I, I agree with you there. And this is one of the younger teams as the youngest team he's played with since his rookie season with Cleveland. So young team, he can mold a bit. I, I just can't imagine a Braun team edition to brought him going less than twelve more wins. No, I'll give it twelve more. No, especially if Lonzo stays right ones of Lonzo thirty games. I mean, that's that's what is that forty percent of the season? Yeah, that's a big chunk of the season that he wasn't there. You look at Ingram undoubtedly is going to be better coups undoubtedly is going to be better. Heart is better the pieces that they've ad I don't. I mean no disrespect of the guys that were here last year, but Rondos better than anybody that that was the insurance if lines isn't right. I didn't want to catch up with that was the insurance Beasley these guys that can step in and and get you some buckets along the way they're forecast number six in the west on another. One of these metrics at feels low too. 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Starting 9 Episode #77 - Rule Changes Coming?

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Starting 9 Episode #77 - Rule Changes Coming?

"Back to starting nine seventy seven the Ray Bork episode. Yeah. The Pedro Syriac. Oh episode. The original Sean Doolittle episode. We are one week away from spring training. Baseball's back the second that the Super Bowl is over. It is a fishery baseball season got to celebrate might twelfth championship in eighteen years. Water run for me. Yeah. Wanna run? We'll I'll give you thirty seconds to a minute right now to to gloat to celebrate. I won't I won't. You don't Dallas? No. I'm good. No, that's fine. It's up and move on. Let's go. It's just another day being Boston sports fan is. You know, I'll I'll I'll keep that to myself. It's fine. Yeah. You're onto the preseason. Let's go. Yeah. Don't worry about that. Big shout, though, speaking in the Super Bowl shout out to all the Braves fans starting nine grounds crew came out in full force. Rob you the Ivy in Buckhead a bunch of them men at roughing rowdy, lots of starting nine listeners and Atlanta Georgia did not expect that at all. Well, I don't know what to say want it back to Kamakura, but they're not that I didn't expect it. It's just there were a lot. There were a lot of brace fans that listen starring nine we were sort of giving them the inside scoop on what to expect from our spring training trip. That's coming up in just a few weeks here going to be hitting Arizona. Well, we're going to be hitting. Full Oreta, aka killing fields. Yeah. It's gonna be it's going to be quite the trip. I'm excited. You should be many reasons, you should have got a lot of great ideas. Got a lot of great guests that spring cherry about to get popped. Yeah. Well, Aaron I've done Florida. But that's crevice. That's not. That's that. That's that real spray crowded. Let's rail Sprague tragic, go out to Arizona. That's that's rail spe right? Yes. It is that that Florida baloney break. Right. Is it Arizona? That's the real spray. Dr. It is sorry. By the way, I been mailing these these these reports, I've I keep keep texting you guys that like I I'm hearing so and so two so and so and then it ends up happening Astros Wade Miley. What was the other one had Pollock to the dodgers? I mean, I'm a regular puck and Ken Rosenthal over here. Only to subscribers. To my reports. And it's just Jay Dallas. That's it. We'll because I don't I don't I can't just I can't just agree that you're calling. I don't know if I'm being honest. I'm not totally mentally present for all of these broadcasts. And and no, no, no, no. I'm not saying on the podcast you guys. I text you guys. Hey, hearing this to this happens. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm not screen shotting conversations. I'm not putting I'm not putting that out there for the general public to consume. That's good those a little birdies that are that are that stay in this stay in this general vicinity here. Don't let those flyer. I would say that you've you've had your ear to the street. I'm not gonna put this. Based on your interaction at the winter meetings. There was an individual that you gravitated towards I took note of this. There's an individual that you were and you may not even take note of this yourself, but I did and subconsciously you have reference this individual on multiple occasions. Us individual media member player is a media member. It's and also this this individual I feel is doing doing quite the favor is is floating. You some some very solid information. And you are doing exactly what you should be doing with it, which is extending it to the avenues that, you know, have dead ins meeting, it's not going to go any farther than and. And pretty much leave it at that. Because I'm not gonna put or boy on blast. And yeah, I don't know who you're thinking of because I've gotten every single signing that I've actually gotten ahead of it. Breaking I've gotten from different people have been very strange. I never know who. Especially if it's coming from someone that I don't particularly know all that. Well, it's like all right. Well, you know, who's Where'd you hear this? And that so it's you'd never know. It's it's at least something that creates a conversation when we're still waiting for Bryce opera and Manny Machado to decide where the fuck they're gonna play. And it's the first week of February. So that's that's where we're at still whilst we as we have tried to pay these deals as we've tried to target who's going where one thing that. I think we can all agree on that's been interesting about these is the makeup of these deals and one thing that I have taken note of with all of these transactions not only the short duration of time, but the incentive Laden contracts, right? There's incentives up the ass in each and every one of these deals. And that's that's cool. I don't know. It's just I I like to see that. I like the carrots being dangled I enjoy that aspect of talking about breaking down these conversations. So the lefty heads to Houston, and it's not Dallas kaikal. It's highly one year four and a half mil shot, and he's got incentives here. And that's what's cool. One hundred K for hitting the tin start. Mark one hundred K for hitting the fifteen start Mark the twenty start Mark the twenty five start Mark. So he's one hundred k for all those another hundred K should he make twenty five relief appearances another one hundred K for thirty five forty five fifty five and sixty relief appearances. So it's really cool is no incentive at thirty starts. There is not. No, that's bizarre along. I mean, sorry. I mean, he's a tease up two hundred inning guy. Hey, I will what I was going to get at here is if you're reading between the lines, maybe there's been a conversation, or maybe this is sort of pudding Miley on notice should somebody else emerges a starter or should things not work out. How we like to see them work out in the rotation. Maybe you become a swing man slash Swiss army knife kind of guy, and he is somebody they run out there in those levered situations. And he does accumulate I don't know ten to fifteen starts than ends up logging another forty five to fifty five appear. I don't know is that possible. Like, I I don't think that's insane to think about it's not insane. But it would have to be like it would have to be a quick transition to. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. There's gonna would. I mean, that's why I say it's going to be from the rotation into the bullpen. I don't see it working. Around. So I I mean this goes without saying. Wade Miley getting four and a half million dollars from the Astros does not necessarily shut the door on Dallas kaikal reunion. Hell no, hell, no, not double down on them. Lefty Sut southpaw come on and the familiarity there you wanna talk about a rotation that starts the shape up like this fuck advert. Lander Garrett Cole, but q fucking peacock yuppies peacocks peacocks odd man out here. If you're bringing Dallas kaikal back to join Wade Miley Heo that's good slice Dyson. Right. They're terrorists. That's good rotation. It's not great good. Very good. Yeah. All pass it to the left hand side and that rotation all day sun. Go ahead. No. I was just gonna say I 'cause Dallas Heikal was one of the players that I reached out to to for spring training interview. Yup. I know that you don't know where you're going yet. But we'll let you know. Like, you know, if you're interested, which he said, he was as like, we'll we'll hit you up when we get down there because we're doing Zona and Florida and these like, yeah, you know, I don't know where I'm going either. But you know, hopefully, we can work something out. And we're what two weeks away from from getting down there and two weeks away from getting to Florida. We're five days away from him needing to report to wherever the funky be going. Right. So who the fuck knows if 'cause Mike moussaka s- another guy there's a little. Yeah. Love to do. The interview doesn't have a job guy should have jobs. Let me help you out care. This is where you need to go. All right. You want? You wanna find yourself somebody to throw your bones you need to do. Your homework in find. Car shipping companies and you need to become friends with those individuals because when cars go, you know, where they're going, you know, where they're going like, my mad P con happens to work in a car shipping business. So if I needed to I might be able to find out who's cars going where win if that isn't the case that's just a little trick. I've learned along the way something you might make up something you might want to pick up sneaky. The Marlins signed Curtis grants into a minor league deal before we get into the baseball end of this as you got to say something real quick. Oh god. So last week. I had a quote that went on our Instagram account starting on Instagram. It said quote. No one on the Marlins is saying, quote, no one believes in us. Let's go boys. This is our year. They're just like fuck, man. I just need a job. That's what's happening here with Curtis Granderson. But I think for for whatever reason while for whatever reason the people that follow us on Instagram. They get so mad when a quote from our podcast ends up on our podcast. It's account who the fuck is. This guy was give buck with this guy has to say are you aware that it'll be starting nine darting nine is a podcast that we are on. And we your quoting things from that podcast putting it on the Instagram account. So whoever runs our social whoever runs our social, please put a quote card on her Instagram this week from me that says, quote, I just want this quote to be on our Instagram because I know how mad it makes our Instagram followers, and quote, well, that's the problem is. You should be taken aback by the anger is just generally don't like you the genuinely have they have. Hey, hey, might be. I think they hate you. And. That's right, right. It's all right. I don't hate you. I like you. There's really dumb there dumped people like why why these are people that are like, hey, why are they quoting the starting nine podcast on the starting nine Instagram. What you mean, what does that mean? Because you came out of the womb with a bucket target on your back. You came out of the womb with a bullseye right on your. I don't think it has anything to do with me. I just think that these people, quite frankly, just don't understand. It has what's going on here? It has everything to do with you. It has nothing to do nothing. Why Curtis Granderson character corrobos has everything to do with why the Marlins signed him? And let me tell you something invited to FanFest translation, he's making the fucking team. All right. So this minor league name if he breaks camp. No that has nothing to do with it. He's made look he's this is. If this is Derek Jeter's poker face, I wanna sit right next to Derek Jeter playing this game. I want to I want to be able to just push him all in he's making the club. This is not like if you don't break camp with the Marlins, you should retire. Thought about where Curtis Granderson that in his career? It's about the transaction the deal itself why? And the idea that he's by defend best. When typically guys who aren't even on the forty man aren't invited to fan fest is just like, I get it. It's granderson. But he usually has stuff going on. This is one of the most philanthropic individuals the game will ever know a man of the year award. I mean, this is a this is a dude that you want to inject into your clubhouse into your organization because of the culture that he's going to be able to help create and I think. Excuse me jeeter's familiarity with him as teammates in the clubhouse will lend self or Lindsey itself to to knowing what kind of impact Grandy can have in that regard. So that's what this is about your. It's it's it's I don't want to say it's fucking grooming thought about who the entire clubhouse. This is how you go about your business on a daily basis. They're not building a core of winners. There. They are dismantling whatever tell that they have left, and it's just a bunch of fucking guys. They didn't bring in Curtis Granderson to be like these guys they're young. But these are guys we're going to build them from the ground up those players aren't there. This is a guy who just wants a fucking job. Why can't we call it? What it is. Curtis Granderson just wants to continue playing and the loans like, hey, you can play for our fucking team. We don't have any good players. Was saying that he kicked me case. But that's what's happening. All it's called me right now. We're like, hey, you know, what fucking. We heard you kidding. The White House without tearing something was still willing to throw billion dollars at you wanna come pitch. You know, what I'm telling you to do, Jerry. I'm telling you to go. Fuck your own face. There's nothing wrong with that though. Let's just call it. What it is. This has nothing to do with building character in the clubhouse. It's just a guy who wants a fucking job in the Marlins. Sure, we got jobs. No by that was my take based on him going to fan fest and all this. I I'm looking at it. That's just the Marlins being like, we don't have one marketable name Curtis Granderson on a minor league deal. Hey, do you wanna come to fan fest that someone shows up to this fucking thing? That's that's what that is L capitain at worker. Hey, yeah. Sure, why not grass and you wanna come to fan fest. People up Curtis Granderson. He's a he's at forty runs before in two thousand and six you should come. It's lift juice right there. What year was that? Actually that he hit. I think it was probably two thousand six I think of it. We're at forty. Yeah. Curtis Granderson hit forty home runs in two thousand eleven in two thousand twelve you're on the off by Beckett. Well, close clubby he. Yeah. He led the league in strikeouts in two thousand six. Yeah. We're gonna miss by you, Pell, whatever, dude. Had back to back. Forty homers seasons. Leery auto to the buck owes corrobos. Yeah. My another minor league deal. But is it really? Is it really, no? It's a reunion. Jerry reunion about this though last time Liliana was with the pirates two thousand thirteen to two thousand fifteen three to six ERA over the course of those three years. Eighty six starts one point two four wip nine point six case per nine two point five four K to walk fucker finished in the top ten in the Cy Young vote in thirteen. I believe a fifth of three point two three over the long time ago. Yeah. It's long time ago through joins the guru racier. And fully pay vast gets keel. Should he make that club? That's a that's a nice addition doubt to those guys right there that I just named as it though. It's so while Dallas is dabbling in numbers from eight years ago. Let's talk about what he's done recently about the reunion corrobos. It's about what he said recently since twenty sixteen four eight nine ERA, he's nineteen and thirty two almost four hundred innings. Half of that. He's got two hundred and eleven walks not great his fifth four ninety his whip north of one and a half. That's just what he he's thirty five. No, there's pirates fan. It's like I would love to give you something to be excited about. I just did. I just did you just did not glass. Somebody could you imagine. How magin yards right? If the Oakland A's signs some starting pitcher. And then Dallas is like, well, it twenty thirteen he did this this and that. To twenty fifteen under the tutelage of because remember he arrived there. And it wasn't about a revamping of like he was like oh shit. Like Leary auto some things here. All right. And and he reels off a nice little stay there in Pittsburgh. And that as you have alluded to things kind of go south from there. Yeah. Well, now, he's back. So I'm just giving notable names got minor league deals coming into camp. And this is this is the shifting right? This is the shifting of the market that I've talked about. Yes. Thirty nine alumni, Blevins Blevins got a minor league deal back with Oakland. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like that's twenty eighteen was probably an outline for him. He has some potential to to get some some decent notes with Oakland. Oh, big time. And they need another lefty down there. They were kind of hard pressed to find any consistency with. With some of the lefties that they saw on their bullpen last year. So I think with blood being an established dude somebody there, obviously familiar with. But he understands how to go get the guys he needs to go get that can take a take some pressure off a book or down there. So that was that was nice to see. But the idea behind those deals is bring these guys in. We know that this is the market for them. And if we are able to work something out, hey, they're comfortable here. And we're comfortable with what we feel. We're gonna get. So the return on investment there. Okay with because nobody's beat down. These guys door to lock down for two years or three years. It's an incentive based year to year sort of existence from here on out. Yeah. I still was like when I was looking at a list of players who had gotten the the minor league deals that were there's there's a decent amount of them that were worthy of of major league contracts. Let's. Just put it that way. Martine perez. Another one another one was that. Of four million four million bucks to the twins. I don't know. I mean, obviously, the Indians are going to do at the they're going to do. Can I at least put the twins in the category of intriguing for twenty nineteen? And I say that they're intriguing. Absolutely. I mean, come on. I yes, when they went yes, they went down to Nelly. I was like, hey, I like this. I I like where they're going with this. And and I don't know if this doesn't necessarily solidify it, but this does intriguing his a nice word because in pris- looked the guy has has struggled. There's really there's really no other way to put it. He struggled sixty and seventy I mean, this is not a guy that's going to dominate in any facet whatsoever. But sixteen seventeen he was a monster inning sky like the twins could use a guy that's going to give you I don't think he's ever. I don't think he's ever reached two hundred s but he's come pretty damn close a couple of times. So if you had a guy that can at least be for the twins sake like four and a half year eight close to hundred innings that has ton of value. Oh, absolutely. You're I mean, you want to be able to take as much pressure off. Of your bullpen as possible, and you wanna be able to plug in the guys that that are going to get those pivotal high leverage. Allison if you're able to handle over in the seventh inning six innings, seventh inning outstanding that just doesn't seem to be the case these days. That's the only problem. So the attractiveness of somebody who can eat up all those innings while it's there on the surface. How real is it because how long is his leash in June in a division game. You know, I I don't know. I know that you don't know about Martine Peres. But I know something that you do know Dallas. What do I know? Tell me what I know. I know that you know, thing or two about Arizona. I do and I've tried to tell you I've tried to fill you in. And I got made fun of I got the shit talk to me about the difference between spring training and air Zona spring training who made funny Dallas. It's really no Bill some black guy that some do that was also saline. It's the Simpsons Donald book and knew that dude that has been going to spring training and Florida which is why he feels. He hasn't. He hasn't gone to visit air Zona dot com slash spring, training and figured out. This is where I need to be because he he doesn't realize that there's fifteen teams corrobos within a fifty square mile area. I don't know if he knows that or not because if he he's probably not bumping his gums. That's just my thought he probably likes to drink by the sound of his uneducated accent. So I don't know four peaks brewery, maybe a maybe it'll angel's trumpet ale house, maybe Goldwater brewing company. Maybe these are places that that guy could go wet, his whistle. I know they are places he could go what as whistle. Been there done these places amazing corrobos. I don't know how he's getting there. There's there's been talk of of some some random modes of transportation, you could skydive your way to four picks. I don't know if you can actually do that. But you can't skydive landing and four peaks might be troublesome. You could take a jetski to four peaks. That's also possible. But I don't know if they have parking there, but just is also available the fund shit that we're going to do is is what I am really jazzed about because we're going to consume baseball that's going to it's going to be what we do. But the awesome shit that they just don't have to do in Florida. We're going to be able to do hiking. I mean, you can do that Florida if you're into like dodging fucking alligators and pythons and shit. I'm not into that. So I'll still trail and I will overlook Camelback mountain, and I will enjoy a nice hot air balloon. Right. I will overlook the paradise valley and take into beautiful sunset after taking in the crack of the bat ten different stadiums. Jared, and I'm going to have to wear sunscreen. I'm not going to have to wear bug repellent. Like, I am going to have to do in Florida. So for me, it's visitors Zona dot com slash bring training, and they can help you figure out all of the funds shit. You wanna go do? So whether it's right into old town on horseback. And taking in some of the nightlife there comedy shows comedy show guy crops, love comedy, big comedy, show guy, myself out here. I got some joints out here that have been well established in LA. They've got some stuff out there and Zona as well that I'm going to introduce you to awesome little holes in the wall. The music the food and shit. We're gonna get down with my friend. We are going to get down and it starts with visit Arizona dot com slash spray trading. So you folks who are putting a bowl on your last minute trip arrangements and you're looking for shit to jam in go to visit Amazon dot com slash spring training and get it done. Let's go rich, boys. Mexico some big-time excited for spring training. Live shows. Yeah. I talk into a couple of different restaurants bars already into a couple of different ones. Looks like we're going to have a spot looks like we're gonna handle. Yes, I'm not. I'm not gonna throw the names of the places out there. Just yet that would be fair of me to do. But we've gotten a lot of good feedback so far from social media. So yeah, look forward to the next podcast. Hopefully by then we might have a spot nail down. And we can we can deliver speaking good feedback. Has there been good feedback to the rule changes that are supposedly being discussed between major league baseball and the players union? Dow's Brayden has some thoughts. I know I have some thoughts. I would love to get Jay Hayes thoughts. Let's just go down one by one Celli. What's let's? So the three batter minimum for. Shit. I'm just gonna make a guess I think Dallas is gonna love this one. I think he's gonna love this one aka the the Wade Miley rule. I I don't like this rule. I know they were talking about it on the the barstool rundown. And I think most of them were in favor of it. I hate it for the simple reason that it's like, okay? Is the eighth inning two run game. I bring in a reliever he gives up a bomb. Now, it's a one run game double in the gap. Now, I've got another guy coming up and tying runs at second base against a relief. That doesn't have it tonight. And I gotta keep them in the game. No, you don't. No. You don't you wanna know? Why this why the rules bullshit because guess what just happened? You're your hamstring. Just started to bark. And you know, what you just did you just the trainer out there? And you know, when you did that you did that to pitches before you gave up the ass in the gap there pal? So I just punched a major fucking hole right through the Swiss cheese fucking rule. Get outta my face with this. These are just like these these are loopholes. And this is what is going to continue. Like, I've already found a loophole. I've already found you loophole. Like, what are you gonna do what they would have to do? Is they would have to now mandate that if if taken out of the game via injury, you have to the disabled us either you have to go on the disabled list or you have to at least go on. Right. You have to go on the seven day or whatever. Like, yeah. That's what's going to have to happen. And that's the equivalent to a player in the NFL kneeling down to fake an injury during crunch time to get that time out. Right. They end up being fined if I'm if I'm correct is that true. There's a penalty in the and they're fine. If I'm not, correct. Then I I'm an asshole. And I'm sorry. But you are Nestle and fairness fearful, but I'm probably right? So that that rule. I just I know and I understand that it it's an effort. Like response initially is your fundamentally changing the way the game is played the way the game is strategized. You're and you're going. Yeah. Well, that's the idea is that's what change does. Is. It changes things used to be Dallas. Okay. I understand that. But to what extent now are we starting like, there's just you don't have a backup plan without having to change many aspects of the game because as I just stated, and as you pointed out there's going to have to be a way to prevent just abusing this rule and. Now, you're telling me that impacts the disabled list. All right. Well, is it a seven day deal? If that's the case, we might be able to start to manipulate this to where again like I've said in the past the forty man roster and those guys AAA they're going to have an even bigger impact on the big league club than they used to in the past because it's not going to be about who's performing. Well, that can come up and have a small impact it's going to be about. All right. All you boys down there and three need to be ready because there's going to be a lot of hamstrings that start to bark with that. Lefty. Righty matchup comes up and homeboy has to go on the deal for the next seven days. I don't know that that happens because now you're talking about what you don't want. Andrew Miller facing. A righty. So you're gonna just shelf him for the next seven days. That's not that's not gonna happen. Nice aren't going to do that. So. It's not as easy as you think to just say yet, you're going to have to face three batters, you know, one of the things I was worried about was what happens at the end of an inning. You bring me in with one out. I throw one pitch like we see so many times I get my double play and out of the inning. Now what you're going to have to be ran back out there to start the inning at face at least two batters. Well, the answer is no in the case or the event of inning ending in any excuse me that pitchers now done he he's he's good to go. So I was okay with it in that regard. But. No that just doesn't just doesn't sit. Well with me. I'm sorry. Jay. I think that one is the diocese of spy far of the I think. I think it's like kinda to what I'm sure everyone is probably thinking there has to be some sort of caveat where if your reliever gives up a run before they faced third batter you should be able to take them out. What? Yes, that's where we're getting so detailed and suit. Like, we're talking about that detail. It's like all right. There's three batter minimum. But if he gives up a home run to the first guy or the second guy, you can take them out. Like if I give up if I have a guy come in double Homer. It's like why should I have to keep him in there for the third batter? Well, it's because now now I'm going to say all right. Well, what if I intentionally walked the first guy? Does that count as a better face? Do. I have to like. Yeah. I just this will is just terrible is just a bad idea. It is a bad idea. But if they were to implement that that would have to be something where they're like. Yes. Three batter. Minimum. But you can lift a guy if he gives up a run that goes they shouldn't be forced to keep dude in there. That's given up bombs. Well, the I mean, that's that's my whole point about this impacts strategy this impacts the way. Now, you're telling me how I have to manage the game. But in essence, you're telling the whole the whole league telling the gain, that's my point is you're changing a huge part of the game. And while people will be extremely uncomfortable with that you just have to look at it for both sides that something that's that's an effort being made. And for me that no that's falling on deaf ears that ain't haven't for j. What were your thoughts? On the on the pitching changes. I think that of all the proposals or all all the suggestions. I think that's the dicey by far. I think it's the one as you guys have laid out. That's most fraught with issues that seems like it's the least. Easy to implement at least without unintended consequences. And I also think it's the one that has the least likely chance of actually happening in two thousand nineteen. Yeah. Aren't they shooting for twenty twenty? I'm sorry. Twenty twenty. Yeah. Universal designated hitter. And I'm interested. What Dallas is thoughts are because he grew up in NL guy. And now, he's an ale guy. So you can see it from both sides. He's been passionate about teams from both sides. Obviously, I'm super in favor of the universal designated hitter. And it really has nothing to do with, you know. Being a Red Sox fan seeing the greatest designated hitter of all time, it's more to do with. A let's create some more action. You know, because it's not so much that the games are slow is just that the time between balls and play is is what people are complaining about essentially. So you had another guy that's going to be mashing. Baseball's you have more balls in play by nature number two. You're creating more jobs. I mean, I understand National League fans will be resistant to this. And I get it anyone. That's like. Oh, yeah. The strategy. I love the strategy. It's like, yeah. Well, guess what you love fucking homers to you're not you don't show up to a baseball game being like, well, I can't wait to see them. Strategize the shit out of this one. No. If a guy hits a home run, you're gonna go nuts like the whole summer of ninety eight that happened in National League ballparks, Mark McGwire. Sammy sosa. They chased Roger marris in National League ballparks it's saved baseball because of Homer's. That's what you get. With a designated hitter. I don't know I guess everyone's going to point to the BART's all Cologne home run. Well, if if you have a universal h we'll never have moments like this again. It's like, okay. Was it cool. Yeah. Was it funny? Yeah. But so are four hundred and fifty four home runs, and you get to see those all the time. If you have a D H, those are guaranteed understand one hundred percent. That that is what is driving entertainment in the game of baseball today is offense. But there are still a ton of fans who appreciate the nuance in the intricacies of the game. So they appreciate executing a bunt. What goes into that? They appreciate what that situation creates in the game of baseball because everybody when that bunt is laid down in the seventh inning. Everybody's wondering. I hope the second baseman gets over. The I in covers I hope the first base can can peel out of the way and not getting away. The throw are the pitcher in the third baseman. Good of communicate effectively enough is the pitcher gonna get to third and backup. Like there's a lot going on in a play. And for the folks who understand that part of the game? They appreciate that. And it's okay. If we remember. This is a game. And it doesn't have to make mathematical since in order for it to be a part of the game. So the numbers like we talk about the run expectancy table, the idea of bunting a guy over to second base. Actually, decreases the opportunity to drive him in from second base. That's understood that is understood my point is that's just part of the game. Somebody willing to force this guy to field it and force him to throw it and force him to catch it that is a part of the game that some people are just not willing to part ways with and some people till the end of time, we'll say do this. And then I will tip my hat do this. And then you will have beaten me. But if I bumped this ball, and you miss. Miss the bare hand or you throw it up the line. And I've now got up first and third situation or a second and third situation. I thought that was going to happen based on what I've been looking at. So don't tell me I'm stupid for having strategized this game in that way. At this very moment in time and fans that consume the game. They appreciate that shit. Those riled up. Yeah. Those scenarios seem to me to be happening less frequently as we move further and further away like the Wall Street Journal just had an article that showed that pitchers relative to the rest of the league have never ever been worse at hitting right? Oh, it's never been this bad before they slashed one fifteen one forty four one forty nine plus your let's not let's not get beside ourselves here though. Boy, slits remember something for the first time in the history of our beloved game. Pitchers struck out more hitters than they gave up hits. Remember that? Okay. So technically speaking the hitters are getting fooled and baffled more than they've ever been in the legs. So why so why are we why are we further? Why are we further watering down? Like, it's not about watering down is because that you're talking about happened. So infrequently most of these most of these issues now, most of them can't fucking bump at all. Right. I'm we're not taking away. I'm not look we're not trying. I'm not trying to tell you that. These guys have the ability to do it. Why the fuck aren't they doing it? I'm not defending that. I am telling you that. The bunt itself is the is a part of the game that people who have watched baseball consumed baseball played baseball understand to be a new. Once they know what it takes to execute that play. They know what they've been taught or what they've learned as far as strategy is concerned numbers now are telling us and reflecting that that is not necessarily strategy based on scoring runs. But now people are saying instead of trying so so what you're telling me that you would much rather have this guy take a couple pitches, it'd be disciplined at the plate and did a first base and let the guy behind him hit a three run Homer. It you're going. Yeah. Yup. Yes. That that's going to score more runs. And there's people who are just saying. Okay. That's how you would like to score runs. We would actually like to try to score runs this way. And you're looking at them your dumb ass. The numbers say. But this is to me, this is a separate conversation. I'm not here to argue expectancy, which I've done on this podcast. And I've done for years in terms of manager strategy and stuff like that. I'm not here to argue about run maximization or how run should be scored. But like there's just a fundamental aesthetic thing going on here where most ninety eight percent of the time when the pitcher comes up they are doing one of two things they are either literally standing there waiting for the bat to end, which is like watching paint dry even for a baseball fan or they're going to go up there and. It incorrectly executed bond or swing away. That is like can we just get this over with? So that I can watch somebody who can really play baseball on this side of the diamond play. And it's just like I get that. There's like a strategic element in terms of bumping, I keep the bunt. I'm not trying to legislate out. The bunt have have your leadoff guy or have your new number nine batter bunt. Right. Those those guys and do it. It was in. It is a strategic aspect in the game based on that position the pitcher being with sponsor for creating some type of offense. But understanding that that is not his point of focus. So the bunt became or was a way for this player who's not expected to create offense to be of some impact ofensive -ly. So instead of just standing there with the bat up his ass or still in the bat rack at him. They're starting to stint fire in the batter's box. Hey, let's try. Let's let's do this. I want you to swear around. And I want you to try to lightly place this ball towards the third baseman or towards the first baseman. So that the guy on I can move up ninety feet, and if we can do that with you now you have a spot in this lineup based on the rules that we are playing under. That's what the pitchers role and the bunt. Has has been in the game of baseball. And now that we're seeing the blowouts like, I'm sorry. So to get to the answer. I'm for the universal DA. I appreciate one hundred percent the Madison Bumgarner 's the Zach green keys, the guys who can handle the bat and the Jacob degrom who are impactful, but you wanna know who that favors what three to five teams out of the thirty that played a game. And that's to as you a designated hitter. Your designating to hit for the pitcher by choice, you could if you wanted to if it's like Madison Bumgarner start day, you can designate a hit for the catcher Kenji doesn't have to hit. You wanna know how quickly this would be small? This is how quickly it would be solved boys opening day across the league. Everybody gets to make up their lineup. However, they would choose ready go. You wanna know? How many starting pitchers are batting ninth in the lineup across the league fucking zero. That's how many that's. Any? So you could tell me right now to my face that you want your hitter or you want your pitcher hitting you can say that to my face. If I provide you with the opportunity to plug in anybody else on your team other than the man starting on the mound for you. You're going to take that every time, and I don't want to hear any other answer because it's pure ignorance, it's pure ignorance to tell me that you would rather Madison. Bumgarner hit than have somebody else. Do it for him on his start day. Sorry says the fact sorry at offense. And that's actually I'm happy that it came from Dallas sesame because it's like, oh, yeah. Like, of course, the guy fucking grows up a fan of David Ortiz is going to say, yeah. Let's get universal there. I mean, Dallas can speak from both in AL perspective. And it just makes sense. The fact that's all National League fan say, and I've had this argument for years ever since I started fulltime at barstool. Three years ago being like, hey, it's time for a universal D H D H of the National League. All I get is the BART's all Cologne, home run and strategy. Like, I'm sorry. I'm just there's still strategy in the game. If you take out pitchers hitting their I appreciate what would focus need to understand about. This universal D H thing is just equate this to all of the rules that have been put in place in the NFL to protect players protect the quarterback specifically. Because again if cardinals if cardinal nation Saint Louis if Saint lunatics don't lose out on Adam Wainwright. And wainwright. Does it miss out on those on that time spent because the achilles they're probably on in favor of that? So you think with the pictures that have gone down with diving back to first base because they're on base. Not because they've been put into pinch run. But because they made their way to first base for whatever reason, you just you just don't wanna see that. So I am all for the athletes aka the pitchers being able to to put their full and total baseball skill set on display, I would love that. But let's remember when it comes to cut in time and the World Series is being played. We're now having to teams who played under very different rules. For all the marbles play under two different sets of rules. And that just weird to that is weird. Next up. A single trade deadline before the all-star break. I'm going to have to be a no on this one. I don't care if there's a just one trade deadline because you obviously have your your non waiver trade deadline. They usually is July thirty first, and then you have your waiver deadline and August guys have to pass through waivers before they can be traded which most guys it's a procedural thing. Do get put on waivers and most of them clear. I think. Trade deadline before the all-star break is a little too soon. Like, you you don't really around the all star break. You don't really know. What you have as a team. You don't really know what you need for for the long haul for August September. You don't really know what your your needs are. So if you wanna get down to one trade deadline fine, but meet me in the middle. And have it be like in mid August. Boom. You nailed it. Corrobos not as dumb as your hair looks August. Fifteenth would be a perfect date because that gives teams time just after the halfway Mark to assess where they're at where the think they can be with about a month in change left when rosters expand. And that's something we'll get into. But with the idea of roster expansion just on the horizon around August. Fifteen teams are now trying to forecast where they're going to be at the end of that month. And I think I think just before you start to expand rosters teams are going to have an idea of what an additional piece could do for them. And if they haven't done their homework by that time, that's their fault. And frankly, I think the standings would dictate as they do much every year who's in the position to be pulling the trigger. I feel like we've heard a few all J. Do you have any thoughts on the trade deadline? No, I fully agree with you guys. My initial my only thought was that seems to early. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. Yeah. Not August fifteenth. I mean, they're they're suggests proposal makes a lot of sense, right? Yeah. I don't know why they would if they were going to if they were going to do something before mid August. Why wouldn't you just have a one trade deadline and keep it thirty? I I don't know why it has to move down. I do think one trade deadline, though is good because I think I think unruly that unnecessarily confused. The casual fan are not good for baseball moving forward. And the even the number of people who watch baseball games and who play fantasy baseball that I have to explain to yearly basis what the difference between the two great. What waiver would non waiver bought waiver every year, and it's the team people and they love baseball. So let's just do away with that. Let's remember let's just kind of. Let's mildly try to explain that Jay. And why it's in place in my opinion. It's in place because. It allows front offices who are not really in the thick of it to start to get a jump start frankly on roster construction for next year. And how things are shaping up next year because the idea is if Jay is on my team, and he's not really in the mix in my future plans. I can kind of dangle him out there and crops like oh shit. Jeez out there. Let me holler at this kid. So corrobos puts a claim on Jay. Well, you know, what on second thought? I'm not really willing to part ways with J. So I pull J back off of waivers. But now that I know that Jared's interested in him. Jared. I can now start to work out a deal for J potentially. And if nothing comes to fruition all good, no harm. No foul. But let's say we're able to work something out. Well, now now jail the sudden is sitting on Jared's roster helping juries ballclub or is in his mix for the next year. And that is all allowed to go down because of this deadline, and because of this additional so I mean, that's. It's to why it's in place in my view. Is you wanna know, which you wanna know what's topic or which of these proposed things I want to hear your guys take on most at this point lowering the mount, yes. Because I I can predict where this one's going. I'm all for it bit. Do you want to just skip to that? Yeah. I I don't think we need to hit all these. I think because I feel like Dallas is. I mean, we've we've talked what the pitch clock a bunch of times. I mean, that's another one where there's a loophole new sort a first whatever. Okay. But before we do get to the mound lowering draft advantages for winning teams and penalties for losing teams. Love that love it love that. Because if you look around the league, it's like, okay. Yeah. You wanna talk about the revenues being record revenues ten billion dollars north at ten billion dollars. Then you look at the attendances across some of these teams and they're fucking miserable. It's because a lot of these teams are not competing. They're not trying to compete. They're not they're not using their financial resources, even if they're not continuing for a World Series title. They're not doing everything they can to put a winning baseball team on the field for that year. They're trying to suck and reap the benefits from sucking. So I love this. That's great role. I mean, you look at the end they'll be is going to be in a similar position in twenty nine thousand that they weren't AT and where there's going to be a bunch of great teams. And then there's going to be. A vast majority of just mediocrity. And then there's a bunch of shit teams. You have your super teams, which is a handful of teams and that should the rest of it is meant to shit. No, I love it. I love it pay to play man. I love the pay to play idea. Like, you're not rolling into the casino. You're not rolling into Vegas cash and food stamps and Roland into the high roller room that ain't happening. Got you. Gotta be this tall to ride this. Right. You know, what I'm saying and corrobos couple years during the eclipse before you could get on them while everybody else was you had to wait in line. You had to wait your turn. Well, you know what you're over that line today crops? Yeah, you're over that line. You get to play you turn the book. And we'll we'll ride the teacups you win me. So when we force teams to do that sort of thing that's just a that's a level of investment. That's a baseline level of investment that we know everybody is at. Right. How much do you care at least this much at least ninety million dollars where the payroll much? That's how much I care. So if you're not spending this much, well, you don't get to be a part of major league baseball. So there's not an alternative league. Like, it's not like the fucking raise or the as are going to be squaring off against the Long Island, ducks anytime soon or the Sugarland skiers because they're not hitting that ninety million dollar, Mark. But let's put some penalties in place. If that is indeed the case, if you're not hitting so I love this idea because what our teams looking to do to get better in the future looking to stockpile resources. Well, if you dangle those carrots as far as successes concerned instead of failure like look guys, I get that. Baseball's a game built on failure. We're taking it a little too far. Yeah, we're taking it a little too far. Let's go ahead and reward success at some point in time. Right because all. Let me ask you guys. This question. Would you guys prefer would you guys prefer draft advantages for winning teams and penalties for losing teams? Or would you prefer that? There is a non a salary cap but a salary floor like teams have to spend a minimum of ninety million dollars. There's no reason that we can't have it all I agree with that. But if if it came down to rob Manfred sitting in a room with you, and Jay, and he's like, listen guys, we can only implement so many changes in two thousand twenty wins one of these which one of these has a more adverse effect give you the baseline give me the baseline because in my mind. Again, I'm the worst math on this podcast by far that just tells me that's more money in the game. That's more money being spent on players that I don't know if it's one player on a team that gets a bitter nut than everybody that brings that one. One team up to that. I don't know. And frankly, I don't care because that means that's at least thirty guys getting breaded up chicken titties the way they should be as opposed to letting teams go, oh, man, we really tried this year darn it. So neither neither I think has an adverse effect. I think it's just if if. If there is a minimum amount that teams had to spend. Maybe there are some dumb signings. That teams are forced into to make the the minimum. But. Having an advantage to winning can only be good. It's like everyone should be trying to win every single year. And as a union member, Jared, I don't care who's getting your dumb contract. I mean, I do and those are details we could get into ultimately, I wanna see the players get paid. And. Yeah, that's the player getting all right, Dallas. The Florida's yours. Lowering the mound. Earth says at says a study to lower them out not even lowering them out. But let's just say they want to lower the mound in twenty twenty. What are your thoughts is a former major league pitcher kick rocks? I mean, how how how much easier can we make it on the hitter? Are you kidding me? It is never been more difficult to be a hitter. And you, and you wanna know what you want to know whose fault that is that's the hitter fault. That's. No, no, no. Why let me tell you why. Because we can all say this generations are abandoning the art of hitting and they are adapting and adopting the art of bludgeoning and the art of swing. Pledge and you. I don't sing it. Bring it bitch. And you can tell me that that's not the case and. I'm gonna shit all over that. I'm just I'm just going to there's no how no there is a counter to that. There's a very natural counter. And it's I believe, and I believe that. I mean, it's not definitive. But I believe that the numbers would show that pitcher velocity and pitcher pitch movement as more to do. And this is a credit to you. This is a credit to pitching it has more to do with the rise in strikeouts. And the reduction in contact over all that it does slightly changing the path of this way. I think about what it's coming out of hands. What's coming out of the pitchers hands say that again because you hit you hit a huge lull, and you got all over forward. Drums leuven? So say Ted, I said. Reduction in contact and the rise in strikeouts has more to do with the velocity of the pitch is coming from pitchers and the movement of those pitches than it does the swing path or swing approach of batters. See I I can't buy that. Because there's there's a word that gets thrown around a lot. And a lot of people don't even really know what it means. And they don't understand is this an approach is this a number. Is this a goal looking to a like what does launch angle me? Right. Well, you can define it or or process at however, you would like the very idea that we are entertaining launch angle and how to achieve x number or how to execute x number. The fact that that's the thing. That's not. Pitching that is hitting. And you're right. That is reaction to how do we get better? But is it? It's a reaction to how do we do more damage because launch angle is not about making contact. It's about making contact to achieve a desired result. So that Jay is why that is complete and total bullshit. So we're trying to when you are trying to attack the baseball in a certain fashion to achieve a desired result. A very specific result. I have to look at you and say, well, you know, what what if you just tried to hit the ball in general as opposed to trying to hit it at this desired angle to try to achieve this desired result. What do you think Barry Bonds is doing that launch has been around forever? Maybe dick. That's what he was doing drop a dick. Now, the reason reason reason they were able to get away with it back in the days because not every Astle was out. There throwing ninety eight with a with a cut piece Janet screwball job and a slider and a variation on that slider and another version of this lider, seventy two miles an hour. There's no debating fucking nasty pitchers are sorry about it. Sorry that you chose the profession and you want to the bat rule you Bogu. Seapaul? Yep. Yeah. They already lowered it up Gibson shoved it up the world's asked. And they're like, oh, dude. He's way to dollop there. Bring him down notch. And you've got Jacob degrom Clayton Kershaw. You got Chris you got the rest of the everybody looked sorry about it. So what do you want him to do with their other hand you want to start under handy? We can go back to the days where you're able to to request pitch height speed and location is that what we need to do to make it easier. Hey hitters, how about us the whole fucking field and quit your bitching? I mean, that's that's take. It's a take from a former major league pitcher. If you're a baseball fan, would you want an advantage taken away from pitchers, which would then create an advantage for these hitters is there. I don't know. I feel like. I I don't wanna touch them out. I don't want to touch them out. I don't because I think I love dominating pitching performances, just as much as I love seeing mammoth home runs, but. I don't think that there has been. A lack of either I think we've seen dominating pitching performances, but then we just came off a season where more home runs were hit than any single season in baseball history, including the steroid era because the baseball's fucking wound tighter tighter, ducks us. Whatever whatever the reason is Dallas. Why whatever the reason is I am being Nuristan because they're so that should up super tight out Costa Rica these days, that's why in both regards. I get my home run fix. And I get my dominating pitching fix. Don't touch my mouth. Don't does douse Braves about get the now. Yeah, we've we've learned that lesson long ago to leave Dallas brains Maddelo rule that would allow to sport amateurs to sign major league contracts. So now, we're just fucking we're making the Cuyler Murray rule clause while it's literally still playing out by the way, not to knock the guy or anything. But like and they'll be bending over backwards to be like, oh, choose baseball. Please. Please choose baseball. First of all. He's not some like generational talent. That's number one. Number two. I watched the pizza review and all the interviews that he did. He is so fucking boring. Like, this is not like a Bryce Harper type personality where it's like this guy's a lightening. Rod everyone's gonna love Bryce Harper. And they do Bryce Harper is considered a number one number two tight name and major league baseball. He's not a number one number two type talent Kylo Murray. Every interview that he did during Super Bowl week as like does this guy speak more than five words. But he doesn't say anything. He's so boring. Why didn't major league baseball and everyone else to this guy to be like, please. Please choose baseball, please. He's boring, and we don't know what he's going to be. He's he's baseball talents. He's a silent assassin jer. Yeah. I mean Jesus Christ. I didn't realize until Super Bowl week that this guy was super boring. I mean, oh, wow. It reminded. It reminded me of a slightly less cringing version of the Dan, Patrick, Matt Harvey interviews. When he was here. So the question you're on. I'm here to talk about com. Tell whatever it was. Yeah. It's like all right. I I do hope that he chooses baseball. He's going to is. Because it's the easy road is is football. That's fine. All makes your money make your money. I don't care anyone that if you're putting a position where you can make more money make more money. I'm never going to criticize you for that. But major league baseball bending over backwards acted like he's he's like the next big thing. Give me a fucking break this benefits this and this benefits the unicorn of the multi sport athlete, which is the baseball basketball player, and that's just because the seasons run concurrently. Right. So there's just you're not gonna ever really be able to do that. Like we just had the thirty for thirty Dion playing in a baseball game. And in the football game the same day. Yeah. Like that was a big deal because it happened. Once there's no way that you could play two seasons. Currently and healthwise be able to maintain peak performance. So in less, you're like a a first round talent on the hardwood? And on the diamond like the idea of having this rule come back and be in place. I don't know that it necessarily gets used the way that I think we would or with the frequency. It's just because this has has risen up. Right. Because Tyler Murray has presented the NFL, and they'll be with this issue. So again, all four any sort of clause or addendum put in place that allows teams to offer more money to the player. I don't know anybody that's ever strapped it on. That'd be like, no. You know, what I want to give you the ability the ability to sell the farm if you'd like if you wanna give me the farm bucking in I want that. I don't even think that this should necessa-. -sarily apply to just to sport athletes. Like, if there's a guy that you see in the draft out of high school or college, and you're like, hey, we really want to sign this guy. And say he's in high school, but he's threatening to go to college or whatever. Hey, we will give you a major league contract. But you have to obviously give up a spot on the forty man. Like right off the bat off about. Yeah. Why not why shouldn't a major league baseball team be able to do that? Like, hey, we'll we'll pay you more than slot. But we have to put you on the forty man in order to give you a major league deal. If you if you signed with us read out address, right? I mean, it's it's basically like this. It's my money, and I'll spend it how I want. Right. That's that's kind of. That's that's the Tatum. There is if I like the kid I'm gonna I'm gonna give him what he wants to give them what I'm willing to give. And that should be their decision. 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So let's make sure that the other performance is taking care of one eight hundred flowers there to swing for you. That's right hail. Yeah. Bryce opera update cheeses, really, I mean them. I mean, I guess he's meeting with the giants meeting with the Padres o j you wounded about this. I mean, what are we what is what is far Hans? I eighty doing sitting down having the conversation with Bryce Harper. Let me ask you that. Obviously the outfield has been a. It's been a struggle of sorts for the San Francisco Giants they're kicking around the idea of acquiring Jacoby ellsbury couldn't be worse. Like what what I mean Ellsberg? But but I just don't even know like. I don't know like his voice. So here's my take on this. It's really simple. And it has nothing to do with the roster. It has everything to do with the fact that the giants should and are a big should be an RA big money big market team. And if we're gonna spend all offseason talking about why the fuck aren't these teams going after Bryce Harper? And the only reason I wanted to bring this up is because it is a team did is going after Bryce Harper. And the giants might not be to whatever degree. We don't know. But the giants might not be close to competing in the sense of like the dodgers or the Anki or some of these other teams that have been rumored on Harper. But to me, it's encouraging to see team at least being like, all right? Well shit if he's still out there. Like, we're a functioning baseball organization. Let's go see what it's gonna take. There's no reason he couldn't be the guy launching balls into the cove for the next ten years to the giant as they build out the rest of the roster. That's so like when I hear that. It's ellsbury that they are that they're kicking the tires on that had been a prank. Call. Oh, yeah. I mean, how does that conversation? Go. Hey, brian. Hey, what's going on? I was just wondering. You know, what would it take to get someone like Kobe ellsbury dad is this is it are you want your did you take your medicine? Fuck is this. Push this through. Who is legitimately calling the BMI. Hey old. Old interested in Jacoby. Team. St. million dollars dead value. Like the giants of the only team where this would make sense because they can say, hey, you wanna dead? Johnny cueto. Do you want a dead? Jeff some Arja. Do you want a dead Martin Lanson like they have a potpourri like a buffet of dead money contracts that they be like all right? Well, like we owe Jacoby ellsbury forty eight million to not doing anything and you owe Johnny Cueto VHS sixty million cueto's eve only guy out of those those names that you just mentioned who definitely still have something left in the tank everybody. I've given up hope on but it will come with an entire season, basically. Yeah. Yeah. That's fine. Then even still that's probably interesting to the keys because at least the last time we saw Johnny Cueto relatively effective. It's been it's been like four hundred seventy five days or something since Jacoby ellsbury played a major league game. Yeah. It's been a minute. Is tough. You know? Anyway, that was about Harper is that I like that there are like in the absence of somebody signing him. It's nice to get some teams that we haven't spent a whole offseason talking about it least being peripherally associated with him. Giants padres. Whatever. I like it. Is this story that tickled me? Says tickled by that's all can't tickled too old now to be tickled lane. I'll be tickled. Aaron judge. Did you see him talking to TMZ? Bryce Harper wants to come to New York, by the way, I'm not I'm not convinced that. Bryce Harper to the Yankees is like some sort of impossibility why because you saw the Instagram post with with shaved. No. I don't think anything to do that. I think it's more just the longer. I think the longer is out there. The more susceptible is not the right word and likely isn't the right word either. But I think that the the reality of a shorter term deal is becoming more possible. If that's the case, I can definitely see the Yankees being like, you know, what on the short term. Why not why feel like I feel like Cashman is do that. You just do not want to give the opportunity for him to come in. I feel like he's a do that can get something done extremely quickly. If he feels like his target is sort of in a position with with their backup against the wall. And he could dangle the. Success in the short term in front of a guy like rice Arbor, knowing that he very well could be a piece that puts him or a piece that puts that team over the edge in the AL as it sits right now if you're looking at take down the Boston Red Sox Bryce, Harper's guy who very well could help in that plight as far as making room for hitting. That's what they think like making making room for him though. Like, what's that? Look like if that's the case. I mean, that's a gardener. I understand bringing back Gardner. Why not? But yeah, I mean you'd have to like Joe Carlson's fulltime D H get Aaron judge in in right field. Bryce Harper centerfield. Right. Yeah. Like what? No, what about a Dickerson? I mean, they it's a good problem to have obviously if you're the Yankees, it's hey, we have way too many superstars like what do we do? Yeah. I just don't I mean? Yeah. The only way you're making room for Bryce Harper's. If you're hiring a contractor to actually physically build a fucking space for him to hang out in like build him a room. That's about the only way you're making room for Bryce Harper. I mean, we joked about the ellsbury thing already hips God. What are you gonna do? With Koby ellsbury like he's if you don't train them like what are you gonna do? Who cares if he's just dead money? But what you just release them. Wouldn't. Yeah. At this point in time. I don't think Cashman is is afraid to make that move. You know, what I mean Sonny gray? Obviously there was something to be had there. There was a there is a return there. But he was still very quick to to let it be known. Look we're trying to get out from underneath this. We're trying to move on. So with ellsbury should there be a suitor? He's probably all over it. Should there? Not be an it's a matter of clearing up a roster spot for a potential deal. Like that. I see no reason whatsoever. Cashman would not cash out Jacoby ellsbury. Yeah. I mean, Hicks Hicks. The typically was one of the best outfielders in the game last year. Yes. That's that's why I don't know. Why said Dickerson because Dickerson had a great years? Well, and I was still baffled that they buckled trade away a guy like him. But yeah, that's why I'm going where do you? What what do you make room? I don't know. I mean has anyone has anyone changed their stance on where Bryce operas going to end up knowing that the Padres in giants have somewhat entered the mix here. Nope. Now, we still Philly across the board. Would be my pick. If I had to Dallas. No, I mean, I believe. I believe that Bryce Harper. I mean, oh, man. What do you believe? Because someone that's about to say, this is what I believe by. Fuck just I feel like they don't actually believe what they're about to say. Because I I mean, do you still think it's an impossibility for him to go back to Washington? No, I wouldn't have I would say tell me if this is a bizarre take the fact that the giants are now involved, I have them as like second in the power rankings for most likely destinations Philly, San Francisco and Washington is still have. I still have Washington. I think it's going to be Washington. I just I really do. I really do. But like isn't there doesn't it say just a little bit? The fact that he already had ten years three hundred million on the table from them. And he was like now, look, I'm not a that doesn't mean honestly that much to me because I know that that was just a matter of saving face for the organization, and that conversation was probably had behind closed doors. Like, look we're going to come at you with this. All right. We understand that. This is probably not what you wanna hear because there's no options involved, there's incentives involves this is just about us sort of having to approach you with this. We know that you're going to go the route of free agency. This is kind of what we were willing to do. So this is a great starting point for you to enter free agency with on our behalf, you know, that you have at least this heading into the offseason. So he's. Tested, the waters. He's had the conversations. He's continuing to entertain these conversations. And I believe that San Francisco San Diego entering the equation does two things it starts to peak interest in a potential shifted gears. Maybe the short term higher a V deal. That might present itself is a way that they go because they haven't found what they're looking for via the ten year deal or an eight-year chunky deal. Whatever it might be. That's that's something that I think that does. Like the chunky deal of on before. It's new to me. Buying tickets much. Like the Bryce Harper free agency situation, it could be complicated and confusing. But there is a simpler way to buy in that is with seek seek is the smartest easiest way to get tickets to every type of live event, whether you're catching your favorite musician on tour shopping for the perfect gift or searching for a last minute deal to see your favorite team. Seek helps you find the best seats at the best prices fully guaranteed. 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And now as I went back I noticed that Jay put a little put a little caveat here, which was at each position. So these names are playing. Yeah. Yeah. Players can be whatever. Yeah. So I mean, I'll go with my all name team by position. And this doesn't include any modern day players. As in my current playing. But without without further ado, crazy name all named team. If you will starting at first base razor, shines razor shines starting at second base. Stubby clap yet, she was short. There's a pill for that shortstop. None other than my man. That's right, shiny, Jack glass. Cock. At third base. You looks a little sleepy but don't sleep on him. All possum whitted. You thirsty for L fielders, God just the man for you. That's right, bud. Weiser that real, oh, that's real. That's real and in the aero of shooting your shot this man right here. Well, let's just say all Johnny dick shot. Johnny ditch grade aim and. Lubrication never heard anybody and this young man here. Well, he didn't abai Jared oral STI coots. Yeah. Coats and baseball cards somewhere starting catcher on my own name team here. He's not the greatest Tony suck. How do you spell that s u c k? Yeah. All on the mound starting for my own name team. He might forget the count at times. And you might forget how many outs there are during the inning. He might actually forget where the fuck he is. John's but on the mound is Lil Stoner. Oh, we'll stone her that makes up that makes up my own name team. Jared. You got him. You want me name a few? Well, I got some honorable mentions. But Jay if you have an actual lineup bad. No. I don't have a lineup. I've got I've got a list of I actually have a decent Dallas named a lot. I've got a decent number that. He didn't. He didn't out. Okay. I was gonna say because I also took the time to create an all innuendo team. If. That out there too. Dallas did not have Pete look his team. He's actually batting leadoff on. My all in you. Followed up by the second place better pussy Tibo. Yeah. Pussy Tibo hitting second on the all innuendo Teac batting third all innuendo team. Dick, Padden Padden swinging in the three hole and right behind him. This man can really roll the pole. That's right. Dick pole. Dick. Dip patent and making another appearance on the all innuendo team. Johnny dick shot. You'll love him. You know, and this one might come as a surprise. Some might even say a shocker urban shocker on the all innuendo team followed up by the meat and potatoes of the lineup. Jared. This man's a big hitter. Heavy johnson. That's right. Heavy johnson. You wanna talk this guy here. Switch hitter switch hitter. Dick, Cox, dick. Stick cox. Yeah. And this guy right here, you'll love to see him rounding third because you know, he's candy Cummings home. That's right. Candy Cummings and one of my favorites, here sloppy Thurston sloppy Thurston. Yeah. You ought to you. You wanna take her home? Trust me, sloppy Thurston. I mean, Johnny Johnny dick shot is just an all timer. That's number one. No, what about dick Hoover thought that dick Hoover buttercup Dickerson. I played with booth Banzer. I played with CoCo crisp a part of the organization that the storied hall of Famer catfish hunter. Yeah. You part of awesome fucking named cabinet under. This is probably my favorite though. Three fingerboard ACI Brown. Love me some three finger because he's on some of those good lists. Why was it that baseball players always had the most fucked up names? Is because it's a nickname. I don't know. It's a nickname world. The some of these names are like real like, Greg Legg. Yeah. He was a second baseman, Greg leg. My single favorite. What is it from nineteen forty two forty six? He played for the Jews is name was Ed Ed head. Head life for that nickname. That name nickname. Ed fucking Edward had was a reliever for the Tigers, Al Albuquerque Albuquerque. Yeah. Yeah. Francesa didn't think he's getting punked. His name's Albuquerque, cookie funny. That's funny. The. We footer. Doc in red do it. Well, all right. If you guys could form an a twenty five man roster with any one division baseball, which division. Would you? Choose. Off the top of your head doesn't need to be comprehensive answer. It's I don't lie. I don't like that douse Sidon. Okay. It's the right answer to set ill central. The. Jared Jesus called down. Yeah. It is. It's an. Followed in my opinion, closely by the NFL, east eighty west, and then I can see that. And then the NL central now, I would say I'd say Eli's ale west and Elliot's before you put in the AOL central. No, I'm not no the ale ale central was. That's obviously, that's obviously last year. I didn't say ale central saying. Yeah. Aol west excuse me ale east AOL west in Elston job. That would be my talk three. Beautiful a degree. Kind of debating a little bit. I don't think it's so hot only it's so clear cut. It is the alias. You're basically taking nobody from the Orioles your base. This sale. Luis severino. Blake snell. I wouldn't take anybody from Toronto or Baltimore. But you could still have a Cy Young award winner. Everywhere. You could have you could have David price. Chris sale Luiz. Oh loose. Every has one months of that. Blake snell. Rick. I mean that's five right there. That's I'm just saying the the NL central especially that offense might be lacking on the pitching side a little bit. But that offense would be pretty devastating coming out of the central yelich and Kane and Bryant and bias, and Rizzo and Goldschmidt. Ooh. And Bado and Swoboda's. Yeah. At least get. Like an key bets. JD Martinez L E Aaron judge Giancarlo Stanton. I mean, that's who. Andrew benintendi. To be talking to just back down. You don't have to here's one. This is one will probably get into with greater specificity when we do our season preview. But how many teams right now will break one hundred wins this season. Four five. You know, what I got a hot take? One. The Houston Astros. That is a hot take. Yeah. I think I think the Red Sox and Yankees is going to be more like, you know, ninety five to ninety eight wins. Gonna win a hundred again, I thought about that just because of how I don't wanna say how crazy it was because the less. I mean, the as sure a surprising amount of wins. I think by you know, in hindsight, you didn't expect that to happen. Obviously Swe away from the hundred win Mark. But I thought that the Red Sox and Yankees. Beating up on each other. If you will are playing each other might take away from that total because it's nineteen times throughout the course of the season. But that's not so much that the rest of the division doesn't present itself as a sort of stepping stone. If you will. I'm not saying I'm not just counting the days in the raise out. But you know, you have to play the game. But I think that that still presents an opportunity for the Yankees and the Red Sox to hit that hundred win Mark. I think the Braves and the NATs could be in that same position. I mean that that division is going to be so much better though. I think they're gonna all beat up on each other next year. Yeah. Because the Mets are not, you know, the Mets are the Mets like where they're at Gerry. I'm getting us. Come get us. All right. Final question. When will the twenty nineteen predictions podcast. The will I have to wait until the end of spring training. Yeah. Pretty close to the end. Right. Yes. Gonna see football. You don't wanna do your draft with a month and a half left to go before the season starts, injuries happen, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You wanna see how things shake out at least let me know where fucking Harper Machado. We're going, right. We need. We need to have rosters. We need to have a rotation in place. And then we can we can I would say look for that around mid-march. Yeah. Like the landing spot of Harper Machado is I mean that would be pivotal in the NL east predictions. Like once we get to the NFL how fucked we supposed to break down. We know where those two are. Hell, yeah. So be patient. Like what if the Mets what if the Mets are mystery team that ends up with Machado? Now, we're having a completely different discussion that we would have otherwise. Final thoughts. Final thoughts while one week away from spring training? We made it I didn't think we were gonna make it. But we made it all not yet. But we're about to make it and I'm excited. I can't wait to get to Arizona. I'm looking forward to meeting a lot of the grounds crew that's out there in in Arizona for spring training again. Shoutout to the brace fans that that came out to the Ivy for for Super Bowl week lot of excited. Baseball fans. It was crazy was Super Bowl week. And I saw I saw significantly more Braves jerseys than I saw LA Rams jerseys. Oh, no doubt. No doubt baseball season this year. I think two things one because the patriots were sort of the team that everybody wanted to see fail. Once they got to the Super Bowl people were like, all right? Just get this over with so baseball season starting now because as I've started to refer to it as it's fucking Brady bowl at this. Point. Right. Like, all right. We know what's going to happen. It's just roll the patriots out and berry and call it a season. So everybody's ready to roll in ready to roll the Braves. They're ready to roll they've had an earlier rival of stars show up. So they're excited about baseball once again out there in Georgia. So let's John John. Jay. I'm ready for the season. I'm ready for Harper battered assign and I'm ready for the crack of the bat on the grass. Yeah. I mean, I just I try to explain it to people that just don't get it. When it's during baseball season. I am go go go go go and then baseball season ends, and I have to almost make this transition back to civilian life. And I don't know how it's like being a police dog like I'm just I'm trained to attack and then baseball season stops. And now, I gotta be cuddly puppy. I can't do that. I have all this energy. And I don't know where to put it. And now baseball season's going back. I know exactly where to put it Dallas take off your leashes spring trading, and it's gonna be fucking free Roman rocket cannot, wait. We'll see you next week with a billion interviews coming up. As a result of the epic. First effort starting nine spring training road trip will see out there.

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Best in the West?

Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney

52:49 min | 1 year ago

Best in the West?

"Do you think all premium fuels are the same. Well your engine doesn't new Shell. V Power Nitro plus helps keep your engine running like new because it's engineered to defend against four main injured threads. Don't wear corrosion and so next time. Choose shells most advanced fuel. You'll ever its engines that continuously you shelby power nitro plus premium gas baseball tonight. The podcast this is the baseball tonight. PODCAST for Tuesday December. Seventeen two thousand. Nineteen I'm buster Australian and our producer. Choi Parkas back in Bristol and troy. You are going to be the star of today's show because you're Texas Rangers are on the move. According according to Caesar's Sportsbook your Rangers have moved from one hundred to one to forty to one to win the world series this in the aftermath of all the move they made so far this winter the most recent being the trade for two time Cy Young Award winner Corey Kluber what he thinks. Roy Stacked rotation now buster. I was the Denver Airport on Sunday and I had a layover and I break out my laptop. I see the news. That the raiders get Kluber an I l. l.. Such a huge scream in the middle of the Denver airport people probably nuts. I went wild. I was so happy and it made my four hour plane ride back to Hartford Connecticut so much more enjoyable unbelievable their rotation right. Now Corey Kluber Mike Minor Lance Lynn Kyle Gibson Jordan lyles John. Daniels does the raiders. General Manager President of Baseball OPS was on a conference call with reporters talking about the acquisition of Kluber year. Corey the elite pitching the game for extended stretch a top ten finishes at one spike. That they did last year was a little lost year form but it we think the reasons for it to come back and the At the end are the things that don't necessarily give aw- and in some cases some time off in the sky is in that previous years he'd Starters last season and it didn't go away to the news. Hasn't been all good for the Rangers the other day. They had a fire at their new ballpark. which will open next next spring? That damaged about two thousand square feet near the roof. Construction official said But the Rangers say that the delay or the opening the expected affected opening is not going to be delayed based on that we got some recent signings and trades. Wade Miley agree to year. Fifteen million dollar deal with the Cincinnati Reds Sergio. Sergio Romo returning the twins on a one year contract anthony ran down was introduced by the angels. The other day agreed to a seven year. Two hundred and forty five million dollar deal deal. Here's Randhawa signed with angels. They didn't give me a warning that I was supposed to come up here and speak so I'm GONNA blame Scott on that one. Uh but man this is this really exciting. They really wanted me to be part of the organization That means so much to me and my family to uh have that respect to feel wanted to want someone to come be a part of your family and that was one important thing that we always talked about when I'm trying to look for an organization where we wanted to head to or stay at was a family atmosphere somewhere that we can employ our roots in Build a foundation and just go our family together and being in southern California so far I think we can get used to the weather and the atmosphere out here. So we're really excited. I think thank everyone for coming out all the former players fletch. Thank you for for The Jersey I wasn't sure if I was even keep the numbers reached out to me but We'll talk to you about it later later guys yet so I I was laughing because a lot of what ren don't said in this press conference generated opinions on social media. He made reference to why he didn't sign with the dodgers. When we talking about that coming up with Kirch in? Here's down talking about here from Mike Trout route after he signed trout. readouts me once we had solidified the deal. I believe it was Wednesday and based on his exclamation points his texts. He seemed really excited. So we were just discussing how we can continue to move forward and how we're looking forward to the season Joel Madden talked about what signing ran down means for the angels. It's big it's really big. It's a great first step at energizes. the team itself Mitroff in Texas with uh-huh constantly. Since this occurred I'm still getting to know Michael also Albert everybody's excited so the players are excited. It definitely energizes the the fan base and it's just the first step we know that we have to Fill up the pitching staff to make this all work. But when you have Mike Trout and Anthony and down in the same lineup Albert Pool Halls David Fletcher Big Fan. Johnson Simmons Could go on and on matters a lot of good players out there that I'm getting to know some young guys haven't even been there yet so believe me I'm not going to get to nuts right now but I promise. As soon as the New Yorkers and an Ajay I started driving out west and rb that really hit me at that point I was texting back and forth and bad and the other day about sort of the fun process of looking at his group Rupa players in deciding who bats where he could go trout in the two hole he could go taunting the three hole. You can go rent down in the four. This is all speculation from me. He also as he did with the cubs. He could put trout in the leadoff spot in the way that he did with Chris Bryan and and Anthony Rizzo so. It'll be interesting to see how it handles that. The Blue Jays agreed to a two year deal with pitcher. Tanta Rourke and Major League Baseball in the Union agreed to changes to the drug testing program. Baseball will start testing for opioids and cocaine but only players who do not cooperate. Great with their treatment plans will be subject to discipline. Marijuana will be removed from the list of drug abuse and we'll be treated the same as alcohol as part of changes announced in the joint drug agreement between MLB and the players association talks. To add testing for opioids began after angels Pitcher Tyler. skaggs was found dead in his hotel room. July first a medical examiner's office said he died after choking on vomit with a toxic. Mix of alcohol in the painkillers. Fennel and oxy see the in his body. Let's do it. Seem heads rejoice neutralized timmy. Time this great game or what with Tin Kurkin on baseball. All Tonight and Tim Coaching covers baseball free. SPN and Tim before we dive into what you and I love the most. which is the player acquisitions? The trades the free agency. I I WANNA ask you about a couple things a couple of changes in baseball first off. We got word from Major League Baseball and the players sociation that they have altered their drug drug testing. What did you think about that decision? Well I found it interesting that they're no longer testing Lisa minor league level for marijuana. Now I don't know anything about their water buster. I would know what it does or doesn't do but it seems. There are some medicinal values at least and attributes the marijuana. I don't know about because I would know but friends of mine. Who Know this stuff telling me that? So maybe maybe that was a wise thing to to do is to look at this. What is the real problem here and marijuana knock the real problem maybe we should concentrate on? What the real issues are? That was my first take away from that. I would agree with you and I also think it from a practical standpoint and make sense because you're concerned about the use of these painkillers In the news about Tyler skaggs. I think gave a window into that through the years. They covered baseball pitchers. I have a lot of time a hard time dealing with pain and if somebody's having a problem with that I'm glad now that potentially they avenue to give help to those people who need help help and on the other hand and I know you've heard this too I'm GonNa cast a very wide net. There have been times in my in my years of covering baseball. I've had executives. I've had managers. They've had scouts say that team has a lot of guys who use pot and everybody kind of knows it. No one really cares. And there's no point in having everyone dance around on these rules that we know are basically ignored anyway. Yeah and I I know for the teams. I've covered over the years that it's something that was was going on and right I'm with I'm with you on the pain situation here. Is that playing every I. I'M NOT GONNA defend every baseball all player but they do not get credit for going out there all the time and a pitcher especially WHO's trying to pitch his way through and injury. May We need some help and if marijuana in used in the proper way can do that and always seem to care about from the Union. These days is taking chair of our players. If this is one way that it might work then I think we need to at least look at it and then we got the study for Major League Baseball. All that Reach a conclusion this committee that the balls in two thousand nineteen word not juice a gun at this point with this conversation him where I'm like whatever I'm just going to watch the games aims and then we'll see what we see what about you. Yeah I. I'm not sure what's going on. Either Buster. I just know that players players told me this ball is different. It's harder beams are lower. There's less drag. I've heard every possible scenario to this and I and I think I think there's something to all of it however I think the bigger thing is players are bigger and stronger than ever. They are getting the ball in the air ear more often. which is what they're trying to do? So if the ball's a little harder and the approach of the hitters is such that I'm GonNa take doc I'm Gonna I'm GonNa take until I could find a pitch that I can drive somewhere and hit four hundred and fifty feet. I think that is the biggest reason for the home. run-rate not just two thousand nineteen but over the last ten to fifteen years. We've seen this change. Where guys are trying to go deep all the time time which explains to some degree the enormous strikeout rate that we look at every year? Now so yes I think something was done with the ball and I. The ball was different last year. I don't think it was a conspiracy to raise the home run level. I don't think we needed to do that to raise the home run level. I'm going to watch the Games next this year. I'm not going to be watching. Hey that ball would not have been out last year. I just don't think anyone is is good enough to see the difference between a ball. Travels baby maybe eight hundred partner the one last year the year before. But the one sure prediction that you and I can make is somebody is going to say something. It's probably going to happen in the first week. Somebody anonymously he's going to say the ball's juiced the balls are dead and my response is always been and we had a little bit of this conversation last summer. Are It's not as if the baseball's Finnick been consistent throughout baseball history and we're gonNA hear those voices the first week Kgab spring training buster because the person thing that a lot of people are going to be looking at when spring training begins is not you know what are they astros look like or what are the Rangers. Look like it's going to be. What does the baseball look like? Then we're going to jump to every conclusion on a windy day when a middle Alinsky over hits the ball to the opposite field. They're going to say look no change in the baseball and when some big guy hits one into the wind and it doesn't go anywhere. Oh the ball is dead. I'm I'M NOT GONNA buy it. I'll watch with my own two eyes and then we'll go from there all right. Give me some thoughts and some of these deals Corey Kluber going From the Indians to to the Texas Rangers. What did you think well? I thought the Indians could've and should've gotten more than what they got. Even though Emanuel place I saw in pitcher the end of last year he threw a hundred and completely dominated the Yankees at least in one inning of a booth game that I did and they think he has a chance to to be a closer someday. So that's worth it But I thought they could get more for Corey Kluber but now we have to see. How much Corey Kluber has left laughed with injuries? And everything else. I do understand it from the Indians and almost made the playoffs without much of a contribution from him. He does have an injury injury issue now. He does make an enormous amount of money and they do have tremendous young pitching on that team. So I think I wasn't surprised. They move him. I thought they would get more for him and if he's really good again then. The Rangers have a chance to take a step forward with him at the top of their rotation. I canvassed a bunch of people around baseball about this trade most of the people that I spoke with light to trade for Cleveland They felt like that. You know that they did okay because they class-a has that big power arm that you referenced in you know as high potential I did have one executive. Say to me that he he likes and is gonNA make troy smile. Because he's a ranger fan Tim. He liked the trade for the Rangers because the potential upside of contribution from Kluber might be higher than what the Indians got. I do wonder if generally people will feel differently about the trade. 'CAUSE I think in social media and the media the Indians has gotten hammered for it. If the Indians use use the money saved in the KLUBER trade in they poured into the major league team and they sign a second baseman. Like Caesar Anandas that casual fans might feel differently about it. Does that make sense. Yes it does. And you're right if you're going to save that much money on Corey Kluber then you have to make it up some place else to improve your team because because they need More than a little help to keep the Indians in the play offs for next year. They can't just can't just assume we're GONNA make it because they have great young pitching they need to do more. And if they don't do more than fame on the Indians because they need to do a couple more things. I referenced the reaction to the KLUBER trading. Tim Him this to me is one of the cancerous effects of tanking and baseball That went Kluber was traded. I saw social media I saw written by some reporters orders that they felt like okay. This is a sign that the Indians are cashing out. They're not going to try to win. And I just I shook my head. The Indians the last seven years have more wins than any other American League team. Averaged Ninety one wins a year and Corey Kluber may only seven starts for them last year. They won without Corey Kluber last two. They won ninety three games. They were contending throughout the year. From what I understand. I think the current plans are to keep Francisco. Indoor you have Jose Ramirez you have Carlos L. A.. Santana you got Brad handed the back of your bullpen. You've got Shane Bieber. Who finished fourth in the American League Cy Young Award Voting last year you got Carlos Carrasco? No coming back that to me is a team that could compete in a week. American league central for sure. But I think that's kind of where we are right now where people assume well. Well if you trade one of these expensive guys and you're just GonNa Start Dumping Salaries. What do you think you agree with my theory disagree? Yes I did this on sportscenter the other night this is not some white flag that the Indians are giving up and now they have to. Trade Francisco went door because they just traded Corey Kluber Corey. Kluber is really a good pitcher. But he's not Francisco Lin door in any way when it comes to playing all the time you health everything else maybe they'll still trailing door org but not unless they get equal value that can help them win in two thousand nineteen otherwise. I think they're going into the season with Linda work for they're gonNA try to win that pitching one of the best players in the game at the top of the order and they're not gonNA trade him unless the perfect deal comes along and if it doesn't isn't GonNa try to win with him but if something goes wrong and somehow they fall out of the race and they have to trade him at the end of July. I understand Dan. I understand. He'll get more value now. Get Him for two years before free agency but they still have a good team that can win and to Trade Lynn door right now because they traded Kluber. I don't think those to connect no I. One hundred percent agree with you the Arizona diamondbacks shocked the baseball. Oh world five year deal with Madison Bumgarner. Eighty five million dollars. Its present day. Value isn't quite that high because about fifteen million dollars deferred. I love this conversation conversation around the signing Tim because as you know a lot of the underlying metrics about Bumgarner gave teams a lot of concern one of those metrics. He's era the the last two years. When he was pitching outside of San Francisco almost three runs worse? His fastball velocity has dipped slightly but the damage done on his. That's jumped up last year. Opponents at a five Oh four. Slugging percentage against his fastball and the rate of hard hit balls against him have gone up so as he was going through this process. I had evaluator saint boy. You know I'm worried about the home road. Splits and worried about his fastball. I'm worried how hold up. And in talking with sources sues after the diamondbacks signed him. I'm basically did a lot of digging into home. They essentially bet that this is someone as he moves in. The the giants to the diamondbacks is going to be more open to to listen to analytics. To using some of the information diamondbacks. They feel I can help them defensively with the work that they they do behind him. And they're betting on the Guy Tim. And if there's someone who can defy analytics in Baseball Madison Bumgarner. What'd you think? Yes and I would bet on that guy at all costs I understand all of that. Yes maybe there's so much mileage on that arm because of what he's been through and I mean because he pitched for so long in the major league only thirty but he's doing this for ten years Felix Hernandez went through this and the fastball disappeared. And maybe that's what's going on with Bumgarner. However he's still the best pitcher on their team they didn't have to trade anybody to get him? He still hates titters. He hates the opponent he's big and strong and mean and he didn't go to the dodgers so I think in every way this the benefits the diamondbacks do I think he's the same. Pitcher was five years ago. No the numbers suggest that he's not but this thought that he's completely lately on the downside and he's not going to be able to help the diamondbacks I'm just not buying. I know that guy and he is a killer competitor and he's GonNa do whatever it takes to be good again. Even if he has to make some adjustments which the diver back can help him with two more quick ones for you before you go. I Anthony Rendong generate a lot of comment after his introductory press conference with the angels in which he said the reason. Why excited one of the reasons? Why didn't join? The dodgers was the quote unquote Hollywood lifestyle. And there were a billion tweets from fans. Say What are you talking about. The dodgers play less than an hour. From where where the angels play and I know Anthony Rundown and you know anthony ran down and the comment made complete sense to meet him. 'cause I always think of him. He's being he doesn't want to have a Hollywood people standing around and start movie stores waiting to talk to him. He just wants to go and play and under the umbrella of Mike Lake Trout in. Shohei Ohtani our pools and other stars in that team. He can do that so I totally get it. Having some sense Horrendo- yeah. I was not offended offended on any level. Like oh my gosh. She's afraid of the limelight. They just want the world series the best player on their team winning the world series and yes he's surrounded by some big stars in Washington and and we all understand that I did not look at that like I have to shy away from this at glad I could get lost Austin the angels. Hey big market team now. And they're gonNA THEY'RE GONNA be a microscope under them because Renzo and because of otani trout and pools and everybody else so. I'm not buying that. He is wilting. In any way for the pressure and couldn't handle Hollywood I think you're absolutely right. I just don't I think he has any interest in Meeting a bunch of movie stars when all he really likes to do is play third base and hit all right last one. I'm going to give you an impossible possible question which you are required to answer. I'm doing those positional rankings As I picked up I took last year off and I'm going to pick it up again in January and without a doubt this year the toughest position is right field. Okay so I need you to rank these four players in order one through four by the way. I'm rescuing you by not including George Springer. He's going to be my centerfield group. These are the four players. I need you to rank in order one through four Christian Yelich. MOOKIE BETTS CODY bellinger. Aaron judge thanks Okay I'M GONNA go boy. This is impossible. I'm GonNa give simple right. I'M GONNA go with bellinger. One one the degree he had a great year. He WanNa Gold Glove. I'm putting them out there. 'cause I loved his swing that much. I'M GONNA put Yelich too because the B. hadn't gotten hurt I think he might have won the MVP and his last two seasons have been remarkable and he runs the basis better than Balladur. But he's not the same defensive player that Ballinger is. I've got bets. Third would have had him. I on this list a year ago. But he didn't look like the exact same fabulous player last year that he was the year before and I worry a tiny bit about. He's a a little bit slight of build and Maybe that works against him. Once in a while and I've got Aaron Judge Fourth and I'm not real competent confident about that either for this is an impossible as you. You could do one hundred four on this list. But I'm going bellinger. Yelich fat judge realized courts. Right you had you had the answer. Aaron Judge Fourth Adjusted O. P. S. last year of one forty three. And you know this the next time you see your friend and bone. He's GonNa he's GonNa pop you on top of the head like what are you kidding. You got my fourth anyway. Tim Thanks for doing this. The head no matter what I so all right well thanks for doing this. Okay Buster Turkey soon. -nology truth brought to you the truth. You will certainly send any text about your supervisor to your supervisor. What's Janet's fangs? Did she lose a bet weed whacker. Oh wait no no no no truth. It's so easy to switch and save on car insurance at GEIKO DOT COM Janet. I think my phone was hacked or something. Like Oh fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percents or more numbers game stirling's they reported under producer l.. Dot Com Sarah. I'm GonNa absolutely ruined your day by giving you the same question making you answer that I just did with Tim. I'm doing when these positional rankings for ESPN DOT COM. That'll come out of the in the New Year and without a doubt the toughest position to do is right field annum ranking one. One through four. I want you to give me your one through four in this group and as I told him. I'm rescuing you by not including George Springer this group. I'M GONNA put them in the center fielders but you have to rank Greg One through four Yelich bets. BELLINGER judge our Ono. Oh my gosh are okay are we ranking them based on prior or anticipation any way you want okay. BELLINGER judge okay. I'm GONNA say moving so work and I'm going to say I'm going to say cody. Bellinger one why I think moving forward I mean I'm saying you know overall he's the youngest there I think he has a lot of potential there. I was really encouraged by everything. He did. The season till about September. And then I'm going to say Christian Yelich. Mookie batsman airtouch I judge. Wow you an. Tim Matched up completely. I think I've who is how I should do. My ranking. That's a big help all right. Let's talk about the two biggest free agents Still left on the Board Review in Dallas. Kaikal tell me what you think teams love about them in terms of metrics. And what are the concerns so oh I think they're really interesting you know. I was sort of before Madison. Bumgarner signed I sort of grouped the three of them together although bumgarner is a little bit different but none of them throw one hundred you now and these leftists who are kind of in this phase of their career where they're older. They're past thirty and we might expect. You know maybe more craftiness and all of that you know. Sort of AW storylines Surround them so with review. I mean there's no question he's been one of the best pitchers over the last year and a half or so I mean he's just second to dig Rahman era and pretty much anything else but the concern that I have with him is his injury at Strand. I mean you can see just looking uh-huh baseball reference page looking at his innings pitched battles and he's he's been on the injured list and almost every season of his career. We know he missed a season. And you you know. It's interesting because he has kind of low volume of INEX- pitched as major league level and then a very high William Innings pitched in the K B o before he came over over so it's almost like that initial volume is what is now contributing. Here you know. He's a great pitcher when he's on one other thing that really stands out with him. It's he limits. It's hard contact which I think we really saw the value of this year when everyone was hitting home runs and every ball was being hit hard. That did not happen. He allowed to eighty five point three three mile an hour. Average exit velocity which was in the ninety six percentile ninety-six is name of MLB pitchers which among guys who face at least five hundred batters that huge huge sample size right there towards the top or bottom however you wanna look at it in terms of allowing a low advert philosophy and with what we saw this year ear with. How if you put ninety nine miles an hour exit boss? It's probably going to go out. It's a really good thing for him to do that. With throwing being soft tossing in guy like that and Kaikal you know obviously he is the ultimate ground ball pitcher very soft tossing and the real big difference between him and really to me is that consistency and reliability on Andrew twice. News career was a neck injury in his neck injury in two thousand seventeen and since then he hasn't been back on Andrew. What's I haven't heard about his next sense? He obviously we know. He didn't throw a whole lot of innings last year because he signed late into the season. But I don't recall injuries having anything to do with that. So it's sort of you know the heiser higher with you but the bottom line and overall line whatever you WANNA on a call. It is probably more consistent. Reliable with Kaikal. GimMe a guess as to where each where each of these guys are GonNa wind up so I think in Kaikal especially with what we've seen about how they did not sign stress for or coal. Kyko could make a lot of sense in Anaheim for the angels. You know. Ground Ball pitcher. Can you imagine. I don't think he would ever give up a run. If he had angelsen Simmons and Renzo with his improved defense behind him so I think that would be a great fit with reunion. I'm a little less certain but I find it hard to believe that the twins aren't going to sign one of these guys with starting pitching being such a priority already for them heading into the offseason so I am inclined to say that maybe he ends up there just because they really need one of these guys before you go. Give me a deal that so you really liked of an ideal that Kinda made to go. I'm not sure so. There have been a lot that I liked this off season. But I I mean maybe this this is the obvious one but the Yankees getting coal certain things took pause it nine years which is a lot for a pitcher but he has no injury as straight. He's young pitcher in the game. Right now you know. It's Human Jacob degrom but he certainly has the youth on his side in not discussion and it's what they needed. It makes them world series favorites. And it's just really hard to argue against it in any way As in terms of one that gave me a little bit of ause the Bumgarner deal is just interesting interesting to me. I mean she's just such an interesting case because it's so much about a lot of things that we remember from two thousand sixteen and and all the other even years before that in the postseason did make thirty four starts this year so like maybe he's getting back to being the Bumgarner that we remember who was just a workhorse before he had his Dirt bike accident in two thousand seventeen and his fortunes kind of changed a bit but a lot of money in five years is a long time for a pitcher who has honestly not been himself in at least the last three years and is now on the other side of thirty there. Yeah wrote a piece about it yesterday about the concerns that teams have that in those incredible home road splits. We asked you know for a pitcher was almost akin to what the conversation is around Colorado rockies hitters like people are like Wow San Francisco's a great pitcher Sparky Thri there and you take him out of there and he was a completely different pitcher but on the other hand diamondbacks six. They did a lot of digging and he seems that he wanted to pitch their so. That's really interesting. His first game back in San Francisco will be Fascinating Watch. How did your mom on the giants fans feel about bumgarner backs? She was not pleased. You know she this is these were the world series teams of her part of her life honestly because she wasn't quite aware of baseball last time they won before the stretch in San Francisco. And you know it's it's always upsetting to see a team broken up like that and shoes choose pretty upset about it but you know sodium and get to see him. Pitch is trying to spend not as a positive. I I loved there. Will Wilson intrigued by the way I know they also got that close but I love acquiring the number fifteen overall pick from this year's draft so we're trying to work on the positively about the giants moving. That was GONNA win. Your mom gets upset. You mentioned that Manifest in tears does it manifest itself in four letter words. Does it sort of see. So how. How does that manifest? It's typically a lot of text messages. That say she's done with the team if I had a screen shot I'm done stab. Have we also get to the point. During the season there are often certain things where Oh if we go to this game and they lose never going to a game again. Those come up is that's all that's what troy does just about every day when the Rangers are going through their their low times. All Right Sarah thanks for doing this. Buster Welcome to the show show. Show show welcome to the show. Maybe you're in the show with TV show and field covers baseball for ESPN DOT COM. David as we get started. I'm going to throw a bleacher tweet. At this Mitchell at Tigers of Detroit who asked about the majority says it seems to have gone under the radar to other signings things. Do you like this deal for Chicago. Is it further deepens. A good line of orders having to defensive liabilities in the outfield. Not Worth at. What's your take there? Yeah I mean Zara Zara interesting name. He hasn't fulfilled that potential when he came up as a twenty one year old and looked like he might be thirty homer kind of player. Just hasn't hit for high averages. He's peaked at twenty home runs very consistent player but really barely a replacement level player player. He's going to be twenty-five. Maybe there's room for growth there. I don't see it. You know four years in the majors. I think he is what he is at this point. Maybe the white sox can figure out some way to tap some of that Power potential. But it's an upgrade. The white sox were so awful in the Outgo last year here. But it's not a big deal in my mind. No and it's interesting to me that the Rangers clearly are trying to make a push to be relevant next year and they trade Zara and if I were on the white sox side of it that would be my first question okay. Why are these guys doing this right now and it does feel like that? They're trying to get out in front of the salary situation with Missouri with a player that I think they clearly determined was not necessarily leaning going to get better and it's interesting Mitchell asked about the defensive liabilities to defensive liabilities ability in the outfield. Because I was taking a little bit closer look at a trade. The trade that went down recently just before the start of the winter meetings the Tampa Bay rays. He's getting hunter rent. Throw in deal for Tommy Famine. I was fascinated by the reaction of a lot of evaluators around baseball. Who Love this trade read for the Tampa Bay rays and a lot of that was based on the defense of Hunter Renfro? Now I heard he was pretty good but after that trade went down I went back and I looked at the numbers team and I watched some video. He was second among all outfielders in defensive saves. And you and I both know that teams don't not necessarily look at that as being a perfect measurement for defense like a lot of defensive statistics I it somewhat flawed. But then you go and you you look at Some video and I texted a couple of valuations other teams and ask them about Renfro defensively and they said look. He's not really that fast but he's excellent a getting a jump and manny see smooth in the way that he moves and so you couple him with Kevin Cure Meyer. That is a beast of outfield defensively. Yeah plus Renfro has has a very good throwing arm. Yeah the rays are one of those teams. You know this buster. Whenever they do something we always have to dig a little deeper to figure out why they made that trade in on the surface? Wow why are you trading Tommy Fan with that good. on-base percentage for Renfro who has power but a poor on base these. Because they're factoring in the defensive you know difference between the two is big enough to justify the diaw set and offense and fan damn the metrics last year. Were not good for him. Even though he's played Centerfield in the past and have a good year in left field. So yeah defensively. The razor of you and that is a huge huge upgrade and if they can untapped something into Renfro he could be a thirty five to forty homer guy and we've talked about the raise working philosophy because it's the team that doesn't tank is let's find guys who can best take advantage of the six hundred plate appearances that are available in other words. The best asset that any organization has is the opportunity to put guys on the field and helped and try to get better. And they'll do that with Renfro all right. Troy's all giddy eighty about this corey kluber trade and about the Rangers rotation. What'd you think of the trade from the Rangers perspective? Look obviously a worthwhile gamble you know. Aw how good is Kluber. At this point it's hard to say you know we can read too much into the seven bad starts of last year two years ago he was third in the CY Young voting so I don't think this is a what impending Felix Hernandez situation where Kluber Sunday GonNa fall off the cliff. I would certainly expect. Some uh-huh bounced back. We know the velocities been down that movement spend down. The strikeout rates are falling from his peak year. In two thousand seventeen. But right you had him the Lance Lynn. Mike Minor Kyle Gibson Jordan lisle. You can rule out five you know potentially the above average major league starters in this day and age. you run out a rotation like that. You have a chance so a great deal for the Rangers all right last year the Astros won this division with one hundred and seven wins. They were ten games ahead of Oakland. They were twenty nine troy's Rangers. They were thirty. Five Games ahead of the angels are one of the most aggressive teams in the off season to change and manager. The addition of Anthony Ran. Don't we all expect it to ladder pitcher at some point. Do you really see a landscape. Change the American League West or you Kinda like Nan. We've got a long way to go. Yeah this is where we have a little reality situation here. You hear this troy try try. Listen here you're getting reality. Check right now from her friend day. Very true yeah. They're a long ways behind the Astros. I know the Astros have to replace Garrett Cole even after actor replaced Wade Miley thirty three starts but this rotation is not necessarily assure thing minor and Lynn both had career years is last year so logic says probably some regression on their parts. Maybe look maybe there's a reason the Indians didn't believe in Kluber in why nobody else else you know made a better offer. There are some concerns about him Jordan lyles banking on what he had a couple of good months down the stretch with the brewers. We don't really know how. Oh good he is. Kyle Gibson had some health issues in the second half last year and really struggled so you could raise some potential concerns on all all five of these starters troy that being said I still like to deal for Texas. Come on Dave supposed. It's the holiday season was supposed to be building up my third third baseman. Who's your first baseman? You have no offense at Catcher Who's your center fielder? Joy Gallo really good enough to play there every day. Ah But otherwise I really love the Rangers. Thank you see I really. I really want you to ruin Troy's holiday so I'm GonNa ask you just off the top of talk. Yeah there you go off the top of your head and I know you haven't dug necessarily chest deep in the numbers but tell me what right now. You kind of see the gap gap between the two teams in the standings. I mentioned the gap last year at What was it Twenty Nine Games. Where do you see the gap between these two teams right now? Yeah Zyppah put it. I got a number in mind myself. Go ahead I'm going off. Top of my head okay. The Astros you're seven wins worst losing Garrett Cole in you know all you're gonNA replace that with Lance mccullers junior. Maybe so maybe that's a five win drop from Garrett Cole to his replacement the Rangers. They've probably early. Maybe ten wins better with this pitching staff you know what's that you know. You're still fifteen windsor. So uh-huh twenty nine wins Troy. That's a lot of winds to make up. It's not like the Houston lineup is suddenly going to get old and fall apart. They're slogan the best lineup in the League or one of the best and the Rangers like I said they do have these holes in the offense off. Season is not over. But there's still a wide gap between the two teams so off top of your head. You had fifteen. The number of the popped into my head was sixteen and I on the same page. But we'd say this. They're going to new ballpark next spring. If they cut the gap in half then you know what it's been a year progress so royal. Be All happy and Gideon to listen to that garbage all next year. Thank talking on the entire Astros team getting suspended there. You Go The deal from the Indian's perspective if you will I told Tim I I look I get it like I understand and I know that a casual fan would say. What are you doing trading Cy Young Award winner of the teams? They get involved in these things. They don't care about pass history they care about what they would expect. And you made reference to Kluber in his stuff and velocity being down plus. He's more expensive and I actually like what the Indians are doing. He made only seven starts for them last year and they won ninety three games. So what they're gonNa do is take that money money that was allocated for Kluber with the savings they had say it's ten million and they're gonNA go sign a second baseman Cesar Hernandez or somebody and I think that'll help their lineup. They demonstrated last year. They have some good young starting pitching actually think it makes sense for them to do this. And the feedback I got from other teams was other clubs. Felt like they were getting ahead of what was going on with Kluber. Yeah I think so and you know we can question the return but this release very manual class. Say I didn't know a lot about about them but watching some video of them. Yeah he throws one hundred mile an hour cutter. That's legit pitch. You might look the strikeout rates in the minors and his few games with the Rangers last year nothing special but Mariano Rivera never had a dominating strike outraged he gets weak contact. And that's what the potential is with this this kid with that cutter so the Indians certainly believe he's You know back end reliever maybe a future closer you know so. They love his upside. So let's hold off on the trade but like else's you know until we see how good this kid is but like you said buster if they spend that money elsewhere especially a second baseman. I think the whole package when you put it together makes sense for Cleveland. Let's go rapid fire. Give me thirty forty seconds on some some of these topics first off Guillotine. That's most in need of doing something right now. Well I'm their surprise you and say the Atlanta Braves. I know there are good. Wow but they amy Josh Donaldson. If they're going to be a world series team their cleanup hitter right now is what the Dick Marquez. Adam Divall platoon they. They need another big bat if they WANNA go all the way I got the angels in a starting pitcher but I feel like captain obvious when I say that What do you got on the red signing Wade Miley? I like it. Considering two years and fifteen million dollars pretty Mid level low level type of investment. Yeah really good rotation now five deep you gotTa have Trevor Bauer Bounce back from that terrible two months he had with the reds after the trade. But I just love in general a lot of losing teams from last year you are making moves or angels. The Rangers the reds. I think across the sport we're going to have a lot more competitive balance in twenty twenty and that's it's good for the game. And lastly again I need you to rain on choice parade. I'm really surprised at Anthony rented and wind up with the Texas Rangers. I thought he was the perfect guy for them when he signed with the angels. I get it given that they didn't sign Garrett Cole I can understand why the angels were targeted in a really good player. But I. I was absolutely stunned. Stunned when he wound up not going to Texas after we saw some of the other teams come off the board. Yeah no I agree. It's the perfect fit. You know I know. We sometimes overrate great geography renaissance from. Houston he's not from Dallas but he's from Texas. They need a third baseman new part. Look the Rangers to me me. They need to view themselves as a big market team. Because if team third GONNA draw in that city when they were really good in two thousand ten eleven seven twelve they were packed in you know the globe y field down there so why they didn't spend to bring in a legit superstar hitter. I'm I'm with you one hundred percent. Yeah the feedback from agents is. The Rangers are saying that their owners were not interested in those big long-term deals that wind up being the difference between them signing donor. Not all right sir. I appreciate it happy holidays to you. Okay you to submit your tweets okay. Buster got a tweet here from our good friend. Jason EMECO Jason. EMECO as it ever been a more impactful player it's way given franchise and particularly their postseason and world series winning runs. Run to regain stretch that has left to a division rival in free agency like Madison. Bumgarner boy and you kind of buried the lead. You get Jason Emeco in studio today. He is here. He is sitting here right next to me. How why is why is Jason Co in-studio with you today? You haven't explain this whole thing. So Jason is a action chasing here. Step over the Michael Lets you ultra. Explain yourself hold on. What's Buster Jason? So tell me what what what brings you to the studio today Well I finished college. And I decided to follow in Troy's tumultuous footsteps APPS and get a job here in Bristol way to go congratulations. When did you start started in November so sadly right after the world series but luckily very nice? What's up with Roy telling me this news? I don't know I just heard him one day. I'm like wait. That sounds like the Guy Bluster always makes fun of. I think that's troy. Oy Very nice right. Well answer your question directly off the top of my head boy. Division in rival you know. I remember back in the day when Mike Torres was with the Yankees Nissan with the Red Sox and Louis Theon went from the Red Sox sex the Yankees. That was a really big deal like in free agency the Yankees Red Sox stealing each other's players if you WanNa talk about like a rival in the same league I'll never forget when ready Jackson left the Yankees because he was Mr October and he was like a real deal. But those are the ones that pop to mind for someone. Who's older than you? Yeah my dad definitely is big on you know. He grew up a sixty nine and seventy three mets fans. so He's also always telling me about the seventy seven Reggie Jackson accent world series and. I must have been devastating for Yankee fans back. Then it was. I saw was devastating for dodger. Fans for someone like me I he may be cry. I always thirteen or fourteen. I was weeping like thirteen and fourteen year old because they Reggie Jackson just picked on my dodgers. Three different pitchers three different pitchers buster. He I don't know I know. Yeah Yeah thanks for telling me remind me. Get Out of here Jason Dog with the Nice. Meet your buster. Here's troy back on the back on the call all right. I'm glad you guys had your fun. Next week comes from Brian Simpson at be simple to seven four. Hey Buster do you think Jacob degrom and Alex Bregman are rethinking signing early extensions instead of testing free agency like Eric Cole Stephen Strasburg Anti Rundown etc Jacob degrom had Tommy John Surgery Surgery. So I think it's hard for him to rethink but man at the time. The Alex Bregman deal went down one hundred million dollars. There were folks in baseball over like. Wow if he waited a year could have gotten a lot of money like right now. L. Experiment might be in line for one hundred fifty hundred and seventy five million dollars a lot. A lot of money left on the table. But I. I don't know if you can necessarily criticize anybody or necessarily rethink getting a million dollars. Christopher G Brown at Chris Brown now the Rangers Got Cory Kluber and Houston loss. Garrett Cole and Wade Miley who has the best rotation in the Al West. I think your boys have to be in the conversation sation. Don't you think so. I think I think you're right. Yeah I think we're GONNA team very nice I. I would totally agree with that. We don't know exactly how Houston's GONNA fill in the empty spots and their rotation but as of this moment the Texas Rangers leading the rotation competition the American League West love to here it comes from Alan Boyle at Alan Boyle nine four seven five buster. Why doesn't baseball do like football and Mike The pitcher catcher and the bench? Then we won't have to worry about stealing signs and will speed up the game by at least twenty minutes yeah. There's been a lot of talk about that in the last few years I I do think at some point but baseball will find some sort of technology that all the into the pitchers and catchers can work together. Jake yards at head wop twenty-six how how significant of a cut does an agent make contracts Scott Boras broker nearly one billion dollars worth of contracts last week that three contracts that he agreed. Read to last week on. That's exclusive of Mike Mu Stockists but Stephen Strasburg Anthony Ren don't and Garrett Cole. His cut was forty four million dollars because he makes five percent. How about that Josh? That's five percents. That's insane why it's one this morning. PK Steinberg I heard that. PK Steinberg when it comes the nuts and bolts and intricacies of players and teams which to find more interesting free agency signings or trades. PK Okay you know. I Love Them. Both I'm sorry it's choosing between children. I I really do. I love to sort of the thinking behind the signings like I was talking with Tim about. Madison Bumgarner are and then there's the Kluber trade and you break it down and you try to see why it makes sense for the Indians. You try to see why it makes sense for the Rangers but I that. That's my favorite part of the game. There's no doubt about it. Short of a game. Seven of the world series. I love the the acquisitions deals all that stuff. I personally love free agency. Signings more because aside for money there are other reasons that go into it so I like from a more life perspective. Why do people choose to go the places that they go because trades as you know you kind of told one day? Hey you're going somewhere and you don't really have a choice. So I like seeing where people choose to go when they have the choice but on trades you you gotta try to figure out what's the logic behind the two sides and try to For example you know that we say we talked about the the Corey Kluber trade grade and why Cleveland felt it was important to make it and why the Rangers made it and I love digging into the team side of that. Well you are clearly a more cerebral person than I buster. Thanks the tweets. This morning guys will We'll have another podcast. This week of Cuban companies the Hashtag bleacher tweets and. That's it for today. Thanks today Eh to Sierra to tip to Jason for stopping by the Studio in Detroit Farkas who produces podcasts. 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Starting 9 Episode 64 - Red Sox Win Pennant + NLCS Game 6 Preview

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Starting 9 Episode 64 - Red Sox Win Pennant + NLCS Game 6 Preview

"Welcome back to starting nine episode. I'm your host, Jack Arabas. We got Dallas braiding out, you LA. Yeah, we got Jay at an undisclosed location. Fellas fellas what a night it would. We're recording on Friday. Today's Friday? Yes, yes. Today I in the postseason you kinda just lose track of time. I, I have no idea what day it is anymore. I have no idea what time of day it is up is down down his up and vice versa. It is it. It's quite the experience Dallas like to get to the World Series. I know you're not quite familiar with this, but you know when you get a team in the postseason and when you get two teams in the postseason that are kind of just riding the wave going to the World Series, tell tell you bell. It is. It's it's a wild experience. It's like anything. I'm just glad you were able to muster the energy and answer the bell today. The way we left things off in the text chain from corrobos it was, we were going to be lucky whether or not you were breathing today standing a standing and breathing corrobos was corrobos that we were just going to be excited about having anything anything more than that. Is a is a cherry on top, and I'll be completely honest after having left that nice little pocket of the country and experienced what I experienced over there as an honorary Red Sox fan. As the facilitator of funny, I felt like I was living in a bubble of baseball fandom, like it's just it's just incredible that every to be surrounded by by such maniacal support groups. I mean it it's different level of support groups, even within those bars out there, like even at the baseball tavern, right? Even at Lansdowne everywhere. Even at bills shouts the bills, fucking outstanding hosts, it was just levels of, like I said, maniacal just absolute pandemonium stricken fans, and. Wow to to watch it unplug. I tell you I was I was played softball last night and had the ipad in the dugout for everybody to watch and take a gander at planet against the Houston or playing against a guy who big time Astros fan. Yeah. So we're, you know, even updates throughout the game. And then here comes the fucking jumbo Don. Early glavin. Good. Oh shit. That's up to back wall folks. And I'm just I jeered I'm sure you can imagine there's four softball fields and you can hear me over everything going on at this at softball. Complex Shek this and I just I went full. I don't know what came over me 'cause I went full Southie full buck in leg-breaker. Oh, fuck it. Socks. Dog trumpet Dixon's thinks the puck back bro. Put a book blow on it. I just started. I was like, who the fuck are you right now? Who what's? So you just get you get bit by that bug out there man kind of born to be a Red Sox fan like you like you're kind of one of us. You look like you get the beer going on. You don't give a fuck. You get the who gives a shit attitude like that's that's what being a Red Sox fans, all ball. We don't give a fuck. It's it's us against the world. We know it. But yeah, I JD I can't remember if it was on like ESPN or MLB network, but he was doing some interview after the game and he's like, I think I'm already drunk. I can't. I can't really tell quite yet, but I think I am already drunk. You know what happens is the blood, the adrenaline is pumping, right? And that's why you drink soda. That's why drink carbonated drinks with liquor is because the carbonation carries the liquor into the bloodstream faster. The bubbles are merely a vehicle to fuck it party town. Yeah. So is that your that's absolute fact belief allow would I knew. How exterior? Let's go on capitol handsome baseball face Jay. I mean that is something that you would know. Yeah, so so he's he's adrenaline, fuck full bore through the roof. He's getting doused with champagne and beers alike. I'm sure there was a couple of couple of toasts had before they let the before they'll let the media in there. So yeah, he's boys are sauced up feeling right? Joe jumbo, Don. Yeah. Ready to roll. Yeah. I talked to him after the game in all he could do was repeat what I was saying. Let's go. And he was like, let's go four more with with. It's just a pug. Just a huge broke down. Just a parrot fest. Yeah. I mean, you have you have the Red Sox. Can we talk about this series? We gotta talk about this series in just one second because I've at first, I got to tell you about black buffalo, black buffalo is a product that I have been using since December. Yeah, and everyone's like, oh yeah, you just you just read in the ad read, I will if you, if you actually want it, you can tweet me and l. screen shot you order history might paid for order history that I've been using this product since December to quit dipping, and I had it now. Now it's become like my rally, dip Dallas like, I'll put it in like, my superstition is that usually I get nervous for the game around like the third inning. Like I, I'm like, I'm excited like first second inning, and then that wears off and then you get nervous anxious around the third. So then that's when I go to the black buffalo in the third. But then it becomes like superstition where like, okay, you can't take it out. So I ride that wave until the end of the game. So I from the third to the night. Then, and that's kind of a tested without long fucking thing lasts ad. You just keep adding Buffalo's to that hurt. I mean, there's there's been. There's been like the tobacco alternatives that I've used before that. Yeah, they'll last like twenty minutes as kinda sucks. I'm riding the buffalo for the old game. I got. I got that fucker in there from the third inning, all the way to the nice thinning. But yeah, big cat has used it fights as used it. I've been using it for almost a year now. I've never even thought about going back to the real stuff. Never even gave it a consideration. And we were just having this conversation the office say, Chuck, Chuck dip for I mean, he played college ball. He dipped for for many, many years, and then I started giving him the the black buffalo. I was like, dude, there's no reason to do the real stuff because this is just like the real stuff tastes same tax, the same. You get the nicotine, you got the buzz tobacco-free. You're not putting yourself in danger. But it's the same ritual. It's the same routine. So here, here's the deal. They sell two packs and they sell five packs exclusively on black buffalo dot com with free shipping. Usually what I do little little tip of the trade I get because you save more money in the more you buy. Whenever I get an order, I'll do three five packs semi my fifteen tens. And I got those because the worst thing in the world is like, oh, yeah, I mean, you run out and you're like, what? The fuck am I gonna do now? So I usually buy in bulk. I usually get the three five packs right to the launching pad. So use promo code baseball to get twenty five percent off your next order at black buffalo dot com. Slash baseball. Again, that's free shipping. You don't have to worry about the shipping, get your twenty five percent off black buffalo dot com. Slash baseball, black buffalo born in mid west, raised in the south charge ahead, speak at charging ahead though. Red Sox. Charging ahead Genoa World Series Dallas your fogging off. Oh, man. I'm sorry, the listeners, Red Sox fans, but please just understand I, I'm excited my my team is going to the World Series. Okay. If your team was go to the World Series, you'd be excited if you're an Astros fan, I'm not trying to rub it in your face rubbing for in your face. But if you're a Yankee fan, maybe maybe but it's like now now we're cross this. This is we're experimenting here Dallas because you know, we started this podcast episode. One. I was like, listen, I don't even wanna talk about the Red Sox on the show like I'm a baseball fan. I wanna talk about all baseball. I wanna talk about all these players, but when the Red Sox, the first team to fuck and make the World Series, guess what I have to talk, my hands are tied John talk about rice, hoppers pending free agency. Is that what you want to start the show today? No, no. We're talking about the one hundred eight win Boston, Red Sox, dusting, dusting. It was a dusting, the whole three. Defending World Series. I'll be. If we're being real lotta, those Red Sox fans that I talked to out there corrobos when I gave them the socks in seven, they and this is a credit to the SOX fans. A lot of them were like, look, we appreciate that. Thank you. I don't know that we've got that kind of firepower into back. I don't know, and a lot of them cited Chris sale and a question of whether or not he was going to be healthy enough to start baseball games to give them anything worth of resemblance of a quality outing. And from there there were some definitely definitely. Big question marks about what does our bullpen look like? Because they've been shitting the bed. They have not been great at all down the stretch, and what happened will the boop in just became fucking dump, dormant, Priscilla part that dominant bullpen, but they didn't. They didn't really give themselves some of those Red Sox fans a chance to get through the Houston Astras. I don't know how much an injured Jose altuve aid really plays into this because I don't think a one hundred percent wholesale altuve makes such a big difference or such a better difference. A bigger impact that this thing looks completely different. I don't think that's the case at all. I think this was a matter of a team right now, combination of getting some really good starts out of your starters and getting some unbelievable production out of your bullpen. And that offense. Well, you got guys like j. b. j. showing up. You got guys like fucking Devers showed up, oh, bucking big scoops rats, you'll Denver's showing up getting it done. So the Houston Astros appeared to be lined up to take this game or to take this series in maybe five or six. And that was the echoed sentiment around Boston. And now I'm home not on an airplane to Boston because they got this shit done it. Five fucking gains garages. Yeah, they sure did they sure did. It was not what I expected. You know, you mentioned those reasons why. I mean that some Red Sox fans like, hey, if we do in this series. It's going to take seven games, and if we don't win this series, then you know, at least at least the Red Sox beat the Yankees in, you know, at least put up a good fight against the Astros, the defending World Series champions and the reason better this year than they were last year and there were built in excuses you did. You mentioned Chris sale being hospitalized during this series. David price has been what he's been in the postseason, and then you have the bullpen issue. There are plenty of excuses to fall back on trust me because I would have used them off or set. I would have been the mayor of excuse town. If the Red Sox did not win the series. But I think what happened here was that for better or for worse playing in Boston. You have this, this media market, this environment where there's so much negativity and a lot of that seeps into the Red Sox clubhouse and under John Farrell it. I think it created a tense. It's negative environment from within an Alex Cora. It created a fire. I mean, they they every single chance that they got to to praise that man, they did. You know any time that they, they ask guys that were on the team in in fifteen sixteen seventeen. What's the biggest difference? Alex always comes up in that conversation. You have a first year manager leading team to one hundred eight wins the best record in baseball. The most wins in franchise history, third, straight division title, and then you've got to go up against for the first time since the two thousand four Red Sox. This twenty teen Red Sox team is the first team to knock off to one hundred win teams in the playoffs. So that's though small feet, it's it really isn't. So when you wanna talk about. Oh, you know, the Red Sox played in the American League east. They got to beat up on the Orioles. And yeah, they played the royals x amount of times. You know, they've got to beat up on all these bad teams and you look at their numbers against the teams with with good records or five hundred records or better. They dusted to one hundred when teams. Now they're in the World Series. Now they wait for either the Milwaukee Brewers or the LA dodgers and the dodgers as of as of this recording are also one win away from the World Series. So we're gonna get to that series. We're going to break down that series as well. But for now. This, I don't know what you say about this Red Sox team because I was one of those guys that said SOX at seven, but if it ended up being Astros in six, that end up being the final result, what shocked? No, no, of course not. That's a really good fucking Astros team and to do it the way that they did it. They basically, they basically swept the Astros without Chris sale. Yes. Yes. Would you would you get out of sale for a third or whatever? I think it was four one hit innings like sale wasn't the problem, but he wasn't the solution either go. He was the guy he wasn't going to. He wasn't going to represent what the Astros had hoped that just Berliner might represent correct out gave one, put a bow on the socks. You put them in a put them in a bag, and you're thinking, oh, all right. Is this kind of what is this. Is this what we've got to look forward to just for lender game one, Justin Burland game sick or game five and like, we don't want to be the position where Justin Verlander is clinching another World Series berth. We cannot have that. And I mean evil of d comes up massive, right? Big time out of the bullpen in starting rotation, both series. He's been fucking nails, eve, all these been nails, and now you're sort of seeing why there's been conversations about is Nathan have all the a, perhaps a solution net closer for the Red Sox next year could do you forgo trying to resign Craig kimbrel who's had his issues, although he has corrected them, they said that a Craig kimbrel is was tipping his pitches for two weeks. They corrected that issue. And if you go back to starting nine episode, I believe it's fifteen. We had Alex bregman on right after the Houston Astros won the World Series and we talked to him about the Astros usage of of their their video systems in, you know, you would think all right, major league baseball team, how sophisticated video system or they using it for? Oh, I'm probably looking at it for to see how guys in this league pitch me before, you know, I'm trying to see how this guy attacks me now I can implement it to my game moving forward. They're using their video systems to study pitchers to detect pitch tipping. And Brightman said to us, if there's twelve pitchers on each staff, nine to ten of them are tipping their pitches. So if Craig kimbrel tipping his pitches, the Astros were well aware of it. And that was evident. But then they corrected the issue, comes out, close game, five, no harm, no foul, but Nathan have all the being considered a candidate to be real Red Sox closer next year. I don't know how I don't know how you don't look at you. I don't know how you don't look at. You have all day and think to yourself fucking closer. This is a this is who showed you. He can give you a big buddy. A work Nathanael Baldi is a starter in the major leagues, Nathan, the of all the can help if you're rolling out ill Aldy instead of a bullpen day. Is that not an option for you? What would you rather do? What would you would you rather rely on board of five guys? Maybe even six guys in a game or know that you've got at least one guy that can give you five innings, and that's what that's what that role. Because I feel like we're going to start seeing the starter is if you're not a guy who we think can just give a seven innings, if you're not assures her type representation will, then you're leash is going to be that of a three and two thirds, four, five. Maybe if we're lucky. So if you Baldy is a guy that can give you that instead of a bullpen day, then I'm with that all day twice on Sunday. Yeah, percent. So I don't know. I guess we can sort of spend this into a wear to the Astros go from here type conversation because it's not like it's not like I mean, their doors far from close, what are they? What do they need? What do they need to do to ensure themselves a return trip if you will again, just show. I mean, I think it was on a slight luck of the draw. You know that that team. You didn't see anything that was really missing. Correa was hurt. Is it crazy? Crazy is a crazy to think now that that Elta home run early in the game could very well change. A whole series changed the whole series because we're talking about a championship caliber club playing from a head in essentially doer Di must win type of scenario. It would have been tied, right. I mean, they have to win that ballgame in their head you, you know, you have to win that bogging that's gotta happen. And if it doesn't, well, you know, you're buying a ball and well, we know how that worked out. Yeah. I mean, I. For them though. I don't because no, I don't either. I don't either. Like I said, I would have more sympathy for the Astros in their fans. If the l. tuba Mookie Betts, interference call happened in the seventh eighth or ninth inning. It happened in the first inning happened in the first book in a they ranted twelve base runners and went three for twelve with runners in scoring position that every opportunity to still win that game and game, or you had the St. Pierce double that went off the wall. It was supposed to be two runs and it wasn't no it did. We saw the video. We blew it up. It clearly hit the wall St. Pierce. It's a double that would have scored two runs and they don't score. The two runs in the Red Sox still win that game. St.. Pierce comes up in the sixth inning or whatever it was and hits a fucking ball on the moon instead of instead of being like, hey, you know, put having in your head by the end of the game. Oh, we can't wait to complain about the two runs it. We should add. So if he loses game, at least we. Could say, oh, we should've had two more runs. They just fucking went out and scored more runs. In credit to the road socks for for running that play as you like to say, credit to the Red Sox for scoring more runs in the baseball game. My only point and my only takeaway is because the mindset of everybody on the field changes to a certain degree in the postseason you now enhance those mindsets with either an early two run lead or an early to run deficit and things change at bats change approaches change, and so it's not just Ideo. Two run lead. It's not just Ideo to run ballgame. This is a two run lead in a game that would see the series tied that would see this team go back to Boston. With with shot with an opportunity and instead not so much so that that's my only takeaway is my only thought is man. I wonder how big they'll feel that Homer looms for them because as the starting pitcher, you go out there and you behave a certain way. If you have the lead and you behave a certain way, if you're down the approach just changes because the hitters approach changes. So I, I'm with you. I can't really think too much more about it because I felt like Mukhi was making that Buchan catch anyway, but for it to be right there for the taking for the Astros like, no, you can have these. These have been to runs for you. This could have been over, and instead it's not because Mukhi beds is so goddamn good that they are going to really go. Now he probably had that. We're gonna take back yet. Yeah, I I I'm not here for the. Excuse making. And I've seen a lot of I've seen a lot of Astros fans say, you know what? A tip. My cat. The Red Sox were the better team, and they were they were. They were absolutely the better team. They outplayed them, but to sort of circle back to the main question of where the Astros go from here right back to where they were, you could easily. You could easily restart that best of seven series right now and the Astros could win five games. I mean, that's how good they are, but. You know, the career injury hurts the l. to injury hurts and it's not like those guys didn't do anything those guys still I, it's in the series, the Rovan runs. Absolutely. And I think I think you saw you saw some guys kinda show up and show you what they could mean to this club moving forward, what kind of impact they could have moving forward. And I mean, you gotta think about you gotta think about Presley pretty pretty good showing himself. So especially down the stretch like the that he's somebody that the throws are are thinking about, you know what? Maybe he's a guy that we think about about plug in there at the back end of this bullpen. Obviously they've got sooner, but man, you've got guys that you should really start to get excited about for the future. I mean Presley was he thirty twenty nine thirty years old. So it's all he's. Yeah, and it's not like he's not. He's not a spring chicken, I guess is what I'm getting at. But this dude, he's only thirty. He's only thirty. So, yeah, maxed ASI they've got guys like max Tassie laying in wait Tyler white. You're going to get a full year of him like it's just, yeah, they've got. They've got good stuff. They don't have anything to worry about. They sure will one before we move on can. Can we hit two final points here shower? Yes, please. I does the fact that David price one of the game last night and won convincingly for like if the if the claim is player ax is unable to win in the postseason and then they win. Does that forever. And that question because they did in fact win. They might not win all the time, but they want price won the game last night always fucking over. Like is that thing done? I, I don't know if it's done. I don't know if it's diamond. If he goes out and gets Sheldon the World Series. I mean, I'm sure it's just it's right back to square one. But for now you can't say he never gets it done. I mean, he's had big starts the postseason before to this isn't his first. It's his first win as a starting pitcher in the postseason. It's not as I good start in the postseason. But I mean, it's sort of it starts to chip away at the narrative. I think it starts to chip away at it. I don't think it ends it, but I think he went out there and did exactly what he what he had to do. Because if David price went six innings, three earned runs in merely just you had a qualified a quality start. If that's all he had was a quality start, then you're like, all right, you know four, three win for the Red Sox. David price helps them get their holds. The Astros three runs that's a completely different narrative than David price went out there and show. Coved for six innings. Three hits zero earned runs zero walks in a in a series that scene a fuck tunnel walks for the Red Sox and a career high nine strikeouts in a postseason start. That's what he had to do. I think that that's sort of when you're talking about like changing the narrative of David price in the postseason. That's the type of start that that is a big dent in in the argument that he just stinks in the playoffs. Yeah, because it's, I mean, the last is what the last start before this one for two thirds. Right? The last start before. This was one in two thirds. The Yankees. So it's it's. It's a fluctuation. And I think if you're if you're trying to, if you're trying to give the player the benefit of the doubt and if you're trying to look at it, like, what have you done for me lately? Well, what have you done for me lately you've dealt for me lately is what you did. You del. You've been able to get it done, you got it done for me. So. So David, I mean, the overall numbers because what's he have, I believe is your a, he's got ERA of. Yeah, that was going to say north of five might have come down because of last night and my might have gotten under six, but it's either low sixes or high fives for his career. Postseason numbers. Yeah, yeah. So what do you got j.. No, it's just bothersome to me that like, like, I know and I will you all know that his postseason numbers don't stop to his reputation, his salary or his regular season numbers like and they may never. They may never will because of the sample that he's going to be limited to a crew in the postseason. But it's so annoying to hear commentary either in the games or in shows leading up to games or after games suggest either implicitly or explicitly that price prices failures are because he's like mentally or emotionally incapable of performing at that level under that pressure. And it's never been true and last night proves once again that it is not true like he may have bad starts in the postseason, but like he is fully capable of performing in the moment and it's really satisfying to see him do that. Because that commentary is so. I think it's just outrageous and Elliott forty. Yeah, twenty twenty. Fifteen thousand fifteen was just a was a rough. Go for price in the postseason that that he had. He had over a six Yara in two thousand fifteen ale DS taking a look here. He he made what he made restarts here. Looking at three starts one of the seven inning variety, five earned runs one of the six in two thirds. Inning variety, five earned runs another six in two thirds outing three earned runs, and then he made a relief appearance, three innings, three earned runs. So that was not a great ale DS. That was not a great postseason showing for David price. And I think that kind of leaves you with a bad taste in your mouth because you got a little bit of him struggling as a starter. You got a little bit of him struggling to come in and help and be. NBA viable relief option. So you left that twenty fifteen postseason going. David price can't pitch in the postseason. This is this really what we're after. And then twenty sixteen comes along and he doesn't do well three. The third innings against Cleveland. And then last year, right? Last year he comes in for relief does well and people like fuck David prices back. Is this going to be the David price that we see in the postseason this this relief ace? Because what he roll out like six, two thirds of shutout baseball. Yeah, just fucking slicing and dicing. So now you've got David price who is starting to figure some things out. He talked about any wouldn't share with the Boston media. The adjustments he had made a. You know, I can remember the interview. David. Talk about the adjustments. You've made pitchy against the. No. Or or was that for sale? Now? Price that he's, I'm not gonna. Do not going to junior job for you l. is the one that said he's talking about your success against the keys, and he was no, but price is asked, you know, you've made some adjustments. Talk about, you know if they've been exactly was. Well, it is about his his judgment, his set up on the rubber. And so he's made those adjustments. You started to see him, turn that page, turn that leaf if you will. So this very well could be the postseason that wipes away all of what you had in your mouth that bad taste. You had your mouth about David price because in my opinion and I know there's some starts earlier on in his career in the postseason. That might not have been as as sexy. But right there. I think that's the body of work that really kinda did David price in in terms of this negative narrative following around because twenty fourteen eight innings against Baltimore in the AL DS. I mean, the guy he's had he's had great starts. She said bad ones, but he's had some really good stars as well. Yeah, he should. So that does not close the book on David price and his postseason narrative, but it, it surely adds a new chapter. Yes, a brand new chapter. We see a daily thousand ACN postseason the death of the dumb narratives. That's what we're going after. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Because Clayton Kershaw. 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I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. I don't know this. This adds up that. So now he's, we switch gears to the NLC s. game six Friday night review Miley the matchup that you all have been waiting for the showdown of showdowns, dodgers brewer? Yeah, a Stevie self Pau square off everything on the line. We used to call Wade Miley the swamp monster. He kind of looks like a guy that would just crawl out of a swamp wearing cammo. There's nothing wrong with molly's. Look, I'm it's a compliment where we're big, Wade, Miley guys. I think this series goes seven and I'm taking my brewers by Assad of it. I, I just feel it. I feel it. I believe it. We like to revisit council going with Miley for one batter in game five. I'd love to do that. We did. We did it on dialed in with DB. We did not do it on the podcast. All right, let's let's do it. Then. I, I wasn't super didn't. I was indifferent. I was indifferent because it doesn't have that great of an impact on the game like you bring in Miley you get the get the matchups that you want also ready, come on. You're better than that. That's already what that didn't have an impact on the game. Not really. Jared, it impacted the fucking opposing team's lineup. Well, it's about as big of an impact as you can have o- old on you've got how many lefties but did they win the game. What baby steps might friend. You can't just open up the book and go, fuck all these pages in between. Let's get right to the in. No, it starts with use saying that it didn't really impact the game. They laugh. Jerry you again of opened the book and read the first sentence and then gone to the very end of the fucking book. All right. You're telling the world that it didn't have an impact. I know that's not what I said. That's not what I said. I said it didn't have that great of an impact because they fucking rate of an impact, and I'm telling you that if the starting pitcher that you're going to run out there impacts the opposing team's lineup shirt, I, that's what I said. It didn't have that great of an impact because it had a great impact. They would've fucking one. You're twisting my words, I didn't. No, no, no, no, no, you do that. You are your every time you say it. I hope you understand. It becomes more and more abundantly clear that it is a massive impact when you're starting pitcher that affects the other teams light up. If you've got five bucks, lift hinders in your lineup that you're excited about running out there and, oh, wait a minute, they're they're starting to lefty. I've really only. Confidence in two of those. Maybe you'll even one of those guys. So I need to change my lineup. It would have been this, but now it's this. That's a pretty big impact because now the bench looks different, how you deploy those guys is different the matchups down the road and the into this game or all different. So starting with it's not that big of an impact I had to stop you and tell you Jared, whether you're starting a righty or lefty is all the impact. That's why they don't wanna know who, Jared, they wanna know what fucking hand is he throw with. That's what they wanna know. If you're telling me it's going to be Wade Miley or could be Woodruff fucking outstanding. What I really wanna know is which fuck and hand is the guy rolling out there. With what hand is he throw it, it'd be lefthanded. I know that I've got these guys if he's right headed. I know that I've got these guys. That's the impact that that has. So I get what you're saying about the end result, not being what you wanted. If you're Craig counsel. Having started off the ball game this way, but what he'd got is exactly what he was after, which is all of the matchups for the right handed, Brandon Woodruff that they had all planned on running out there. So wait mile in council had this conversation look, wait. It's your bullpen day. We're not looking to get any extension out of you today. We're going to give you one book and dude. How's that sound? Why? Because we're looking to get matchups for the Wrighty who's going to be coming in behind you. So I'm going to get them to deploy a lineup that favors the guy who's going to give us the most work today and you were just going to be a decoy. How's that sound? I know you like hunting, Wade. I know you like hunting. I'm gonna dress you up in some cammo. We'll fuck it rubber duck yet since you out there and I need you to bring those green heads in my friend. That's your fucking job. So that's what Wade Miley did. And it worked in terms of getting the matchups. It did not work in terms of individual. So I was right. It didn't make that big of an. Packed 'cause they lost Dallas. It made an impact. Yes, you're you're right? I'm right. It made an impact this matchup. Great of an impact. That was the first time you took the book at trading wills off and went big boy and pedal that bike right down truth avenue, which is I am right about the impact. And as I said, you are correct because yes, it didn't turn out the, but you can't just tell me, no, no impact. Just a guy didn't have that great of an impact. They lost the fucking game. They're down in the series. Going back to Milwaukee gained six wait Miley who fight faced. One batter walk them in game. Five will be starting game six. You know that you have a lefty on the mound for game six point. And for Wade Miley it's going to be a test because he's being asked no matter in what capacity to get into a starters mindset, two days in a matter of what seventy, two hours ninety, six hours, whatever the fuck it's going to be that he's never really had done had to do before. So while I'm sure this last time out wasn't something that he spent all night preparing for because you probably knew I've got one better. That's how that's gonna. Go. It's asking it's asking a lot of way to to shift his preparation. So. While it's uncomfortable, this is the postseason and this is what you're here for. So I'm curious to see how Wade response, but I don't think it's going to be such a big deal that he's so thrown off that it just completely fluxes entire outing. I don't think that's going to be. Yeah, so we'll see what happens. I got the brewers forcing a game. Seven. I do. It's not. It's not. It's not necessarily a gut thing. I just think that they played well home this year. I think that they have responded when Wade Miley has pitched. I think that Wade Miley has been dependable in the postseason. Not that review hasn't. He said, he's look great. He's looked great. But one of these fucking series has to live up to the hype. I mean, like, have we had have we had like a decisive doer die game besides wildcard game yet. No, like, oh, wow, this one's going to be this has got to be no. I mean, obviously, this is it right? You've got this series. No, not really. Asser swept Red Sox and four. The dodgers. No, no, you got sparking stomped stomped, hell yeah, there's, there's nothing there's. No, this is this is a. Good, Jay. I would disagree that if it's the dodgers win tonight, I would say that this this series still lived up to the hype. You know, six game series that has featured like some really bizarre things that we've never seen before, including what we just discussed in the Miley one and done the, whether we like it or not, or whether we founded appealing or not, like the Machado angular or entire conversation surrounding which auto is is memorable like Clayton Kershaw coming out and like really fucking dominating in game five. I think that matters like that's memorable. I, I don't know. I would just like to me, this series has delivered. I just wish you guys would like wake up and and finally find the white on the dodgers and just admit that the series is over tonight. It's I, I am with you, Jay. I obviously having picked the dodgers to roll into the World Series. I feel like. Like I feel like the dodgers have to really good shots right here back to back with review and and the way he's throwing the ball, and I feel like if it did get to. If it did get to a seven Walker bueller, Walker Bieler is poised to say, you know what? Fuck it. I'm the new. I'm the new kin town. I'm the new bad ass on the mound that people need to be talking about. And I think he comes out and show well, which which Walker bueller. You're going to get though. I mean, we've seen the the Walker bueller in game one sixty three, was it where he dominated, and then he didn't look so great against the Braves, but then he comes right back in, you know, he looks electric. So yeah, I would say Walker, bueller is a big x factor moving forward, but to Jay Hayes point earlier. And I think this is something that you know what, let me give j. hey, the stage because I did this. I did this last October and I got roasted for it. There's now more ammo in the in the camp that I believe j., hey, and I to be in all the people that. Give shit to Kershaw like he's some bum in the postseason. You're done, you're dot. You can't say it anymore. You can't. I mean, yes. Gave up a home run to a reliever. This postseason. Yeah, that happened. He didn't look good in Milwaukee. Sure, but that narrative should be dead, but he's some sort of postseason bum j. the floor is yours. The first time I ever met Dave Portnoy heat for sure. Doesn't remember. It probably doesn't remember me now that you were employed. Yeah, but. I got into a argument, not like a heated argument, but an argument with him at Clancy's rehearsal dinner post reception at a bar about Clayton Kershaw because that was the night I believe, or the night after one of the two that Kershaw melted down against the cardinals in what had looked like to that point. A really, really nice postseason started and it's been a long journey since then. And I do feel like as dumb as it is to take like satisfaction in the accomplishments of somebody else, particularly somebody else who does it, no, you care about you at all? It was nice to see Clayton Kershaw deliver and to deliver more than one time in this postseason and for the entire body of work this postseason to the net positive to this point. I think we it was either last podcast or two podcast ago where one of us said, I would not. Not be surprised if we look back on the twenty eighteen postseason as the Clayton Kershaw narrative, redemption tour, and we're like, we are damned close from that being the overriding like story of this postseason depending on how the next round goes, or I mean being the dodgers actually get there, that would really be the story here. And like I was just it's really it's funny depending on how you cut up the stats because Clayton Kershaw was looking at it his last four postseason appearances at home, it's twenty. I believe it's twenty six innings to earn runs its. He's been unbelievable and the idea that he was never capable of performing in this spot. It's just so satisfying to see like that. Just complete. Like I don't have any more. It's like when LeBron went back to Cleveland and won the title and it was like, all right. I don't give a flying. Fuck what any LeBron critic says from. Here on out like he did something that no one thought was possible against one of the greatest teams of all time team that won seventy three fucking games. I don't care what you say about his ability to perform or deliver moving forward because I've seen all I need to see and that to a slightly lesser extent is what I feel about Clayton Kershaw right now. And what I think anybody who has who has ridden this storyline to this point should feel which is that we knew Clayton Kershaw was one of the best pitchers of his generation. And he's finally delivering like that pitcher on the biggest stage for lots of people to see. I, I love every minute of that could with more Jay. This I think has all been incited by and this is how this is how fucking competitive Clayton Kershaw is. I think this is all inside by him, not getting the ball game one in the NL Diaz in feeling pissed off about that thinking the whole hold on tunnel. I've always been the guy who it was going to start and stop with. It's always fallen on my shoulders. It's always been on my plate. Nothing new here. Twenty eighteen postseason. All right here. What do you mean? I'm not starting game one. Dave guy. I don't know on a long been here, but, but you see this double deuce on the back Kershaw, my fucking run this town. That ball is mine. The fuck. You mean review who really is starting game one. Oh, gin genera-. Okay. All right. And what you? He does out dazzles and then flips the ball Kershaw that's outs done. Oh, oh, that's how it's fucking done. Oh, okay. Well, he goes out and dominates shits all over shits all over hotlanta eight innings of shutout baseball. And then he carries that over into the ill ceus against Milwaukee. No, sure. You got touched up a little name, right? Not so much. We'll bit bit, but again, Twenty-eight teen redemption tour post-season redemption tour for Clayton Kershaw seven innings, three hits one earned run to walks nine tickets, punch in route to another w against your Milwaukee, Brewers, Robison and this stat. I'm sure you guys have all seen. I'm sure you heard it. Clayton Kershaw eight postseason starts of one run or fewer and three hits or fewer. Nobody else that's ever str-. Rapid on boys has more than five of those such starts. So who is Clayton Kershaw in the postseason? He's been pretty fucking good. Yeah. It's just taking some time to notice and kind of like David price. I think there's, you know what? Twenty twenty sixteen didn't go. Didn't go to great. RIC Layton Kershaw in. It'll DS against the NATs. He goes, what do you go? He goes five innings and six and two thirds innings eight total run. So eleven to two thirds. Eight total runs not great. He bounces back in the ill ceus against the cubs, but the struggles again in game six against the Cup. So it was. It was like that season didn't give him. Didn't give the opportunity to sort of right the wrongs that it occurred early on. And that's kind of been the narrative that that has been that has been stuck with him or that he has had stuck with him because last year. Good. Lets out for a second. I listen. I like the NBA is my second favorite sport, but more often than not, you know what you're getting and you might see great performances or performances you'll always remember. But let's often do you see performances that you didn't see coming or that like are his are quirky or unpredictable in this postseason has to be one of the best examples of the beauty of baseball and why it is so difficult to project ahead of time, Clayton Kershaw history of not performing up to his standards in the postseason. What does he do? He comes out and performance. David price literally had never won personally as. The starter in the postseason in what would probably be described as the biggest start of his career to that point comes out and shoves it down the defending champions ass in that same game, Justin Verlander who has a wild reputation and well deserved as being a big game postseason pitcher, his numbers in elimination games prior to that were outrageous ones who want you. All right. There were no games full four, no one to one one, one, five. Either way. Those are fucking filthy numbs. Yeah. And the. And he comes out and really does not deliver to his standards that he had delivered to to that point. Jackie Bradley Jr. he had twenty four RBI with two out during the entire regular season. He comes out and it has what nine to out RBI and the LCS like it's just that's what some of these things are, what make baseball, so beautiful because as much as we want fryer performance to factor in strongly and what these guys go out and do game, it really doesn't. It doesn't factor in that strongly and ultimately they're going to sometimes they're gonna pitch well, and sometimes they're gonna pitch boiling. Sometimes Jackie Bradley Jr. who would has Levy described as like the eighth best offense of player in the Red Sox lineup is the most important offensive player and given series. It's just awesome if you can't appreciate that. I don't know what to tell. You know, that's. That's why we love baseball. You can't verdict this shit Dallas, the romance behind the romance. Behind? Yeah. Think about big about, you know, a guy like Jackie Bradley Jr.. He was. I wanna say when they traded Shane Victorino I forget who they got. For victory? No, maybe it was two angels. I wanna say, I forget what the the trade was, whoever it was they ask for Jackie Bradley. I and the Red Sox like no or keeping this guy. And that was during a time when no one really believed in him and he's had hit. I mean, he's, he's, he's been in all star before, but he's had incredible struggles at the major level. He's been demoted. He's been called back up several times. Everyone forgets. He was actually on the opening day roster. Twenty thirteen. Yeah, he's, he's the guy. He's the guy that you're saying, look if at one point of Jackie Bradley Jr. can hit to forty to fifty for me in the big league Hake it you'll be my starting centerfield. Yeah, because that defense. But yeah, that's that's kind of what we're looking at now is Clayton Kershaw putting that narrative to bed, but he's not the guy who gets the ball in game six. That would be review and dodgers are looking for more of. The same from him Wade Miley the brewers season on the line Christian yelich. I mean, the MVP the man who got them to where they are. He, he's got it. He's got step it up. You've got a couple of guys couple guys corrobos driving that struggle bus from Dr. I mean, but I don't know. Boosted Yeli loosen jelly combined right now in the hills. You want to know what they are combined for four hits combined five, five five for forty one. Yikes. Five for forty one. Yeah, that's that's not great yard is hitting two twenty two. He's got six punch outs. Mussa Ellie are driving forces in that offense. And if you're gonna have your MVP fizzle out in the most important part of the season. Most important time of the season like this is this is where the brew crew. This is where their demise could be very real is the two guys that we just mentioned along with the third Aguilar not not producing. You can't go from having like because the whole second half without Aguilar though. I mean he was that's fine. That's why you see right. And that's why the afterthought in this conversation civically and that's why I did just kind of look at moose and Yeli specifically those two guys combined, because in my opinion, they have been the driving forces behind his balls. Renzo came as well. Sure, sure. But locate not struggling to the tune of these guys. You know what I mean like so totally totally different scenario. But yeah, it's a, it's this is what your coming on the stretch of your Christian yelich and you'd be getting this bonds treatment, the bonds comparisons. You hate to get into the postseason and feel like this is where you just haven't been able to have an impact for your team. Yeah, that that's what sucks. So the struggles of those two guys are something to pay attention to the bullpens. Jerry just want to give you a little rundown on on what the bullpens have been looking like here, the brewers pin has covered thirty three and two thirds innings over the course of this LCS thirty hits thirteen earned runs. One home run two to forty four average against the dodgers Twenty-one in two-thirds innings, the bullpen is covered. Fifteen hits three earned runs too long balls, but a sub two hundred batting average against one ninety. Two. So the brewers bullpen robbers. I mean, aside from aside from hater. Like what is what is been? I feel like there's some issues. No. I mean, they've been dependent on a lot. They've been dependent on a lot down the stretch. You have to also remember. Yes, the Milwaukee Brewers dismissed the Rockies in three games, but the play offs, the postseason for the brewers. Then these high intensity high leverage innings in these these stressful games really started in of over a month ago almost two months ago. I feel like they've been playoff mode since the beginning of September when they started chasing down the cubs. If you see some of these guys start to tire out some of these relievers, they're not as effective as they were just a mere week ago. Then there's an explanation for that. I mean, some of these teams had the benefit, the luxury of going into the postseason in resting up down the stretch. Some of those teams had that luxury the brewers didn't. It took them an extra game. One hundred sixty two game schedule and they're like, yeah, when you one more to figure out who's who's the NL central champ. So they. Have been playing postseason baseball for longer than everybody else. So maybe you know there is that I mean, but you know, the dodgers have sort of been in the same boat. They're not making excuses, so that's that's also fair. Yeah, I. Jerry jenner. He's. But his last is last appearance that looks bad. We'll go ahead. Interesting about Jeffress. There was an article published. I wanna say, on fan graphs way? No, it was the Atlantic by believe, you know, Cyrus who used to write for fan graphs prior to the start of the postseason where he worked with some like bio mechanics, genius boy or something like that who had come up previously with like a way to measure pitcher fatigue and or or at least you know something Representative of pitcher fatigue and Jeremy Jeffress I believe was number one on the list for like most overworked, quote, unquote reliever entering the postseason. So I don't know. Maybe maybe it's hurt or maybe it's the fact that he's been pushed to a point where he just hasn't. He hasn't been at this level yet. He hasn't dealt with this level. Not only isn't postseason pitching stress, but it's stress pitching from workload. He hasn't really handled before, correct? Correct. And. Being like a fulltime closer. I mean that that's just a different experience on itself. Yeah, that would make a lot of sense. 'cause. I had the theory that he might have been hurt because he was dealing with injuries in September, but then you get into the postseason and he did not look anything like the pitcher that he was in the second half of the semi great all year. But he was dominant in the in the in the final months, but for for as much as he struggled in the playoffs. He's still chucking it up there ninety six ninety seven miles an hour. So it's like art. Can you be. There's a difference between throwing ninety six and pitching ninety six throwing Ninety-six is getting ninety six up to the plate pitching with ninety six's commanding it moving around and working off of that. So at this point in time, the season more times than not, you are throwing ninety six and you're trying to execute to your best ability. So it's just a different. It's different coming out of a hand. The conviction might still be there, but the function is just not and stuff starts to flatten out, doesn't start to have the same finish in life in the zone or towards the zone or through the zone. You don't have the explosion. I it just it looks completely different. So again, aside from aside from hater I mean, you know, Canadian has been fine. Good. Yeah, for sure. Freddie Peralta. It's really been. It's been Sewri right. Corbin birds underrated. Right. But yeah, I just the the Milwaukee bullpen I think is very well could be on fumes. Which would be understandable if that were the case. However, however. That's not going to stop the Milwaukee Brewers from forcing a game seven in this best of seven series, Dallas breed. I don't know down oak Dallas, Dallas, Dallas, Mark, my fucking words. This series is going to a seventh game. I'm going to say there's gonna be a huge letdown tonight. Everybody's excited to get back to Milwaukee. You think you're think you're got them right, where you think you're the best spot you could possibly be based on the situation at hand, which is ally. You just tell yourself, you're in a must game situation heading back home with your season on the line. That's what you tell yourself because this is must win, and it's fucking go time and the Los Angeles Dodgers look poised to take that next step to the World Series. We'll see. We'll see. But I still think we're going seven. I still think we're going seven, Jay. Do you have a thought on this. Yeah, buddy. It's the same thought I've had every time the dodgers are going to stop them tonight. Of blood bath. Okay. Why go wait, wait my this is the night Wade Miley goes back to being way by. Okay. What happens? We've got a weekly beat Dave contest with fan duel, where you can play against me and Dave every week, this week has a five thousand dollar prize pool. A one dollar entry fee and five hundred dollars to whoever bags first place. 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If I'm his teammate, I'm not like, yeah, we're trying to get a competitive edge. If we take out Hayes Zeigler fucking snap, his achilles tendon ruined his the rest of his career. That's that'll be worth it for for this LCS. Yeah. No, it's it's not a. It's not at all. Dude. Look, obviously, you probably see the video that I posted by now. You know how I feel about this dude corrobos. It's just bucking. It's a great look at who this dude is a player. He's a great look who this dude is teammate, and I don't know him away from the baseball field, but it's probably some pretty good insight as to who he is and how he goes about things away from the baseball field as well. No point in time is really concerned with you. You being his fellow citizen, you being a fellow competitor. Whichever category of you that you personally followed for Manny doesn't fucking matter. He showed you this and the the part that really stings is the DASS ity in this Astle to come up and speak into a camera and try to act like we're dumb enough to to not be able to process what we saw physically unfold on the fucking field. You fucking idiot, but chateaux you dip shit, son of a bitch. Are you serious? You're, you're. An asshole idiot for that. There's just no other way to slice it. I'm sorry. Maddie. Not by to my birthday bell. Not gonna happen. Nope, not gonna happen. Sorry. I thought about was on the fence after that. Can't have it. Wow. East coming, you not. No, not having. It's a doubt. Hi. Like you say Trump's, how do you? How do you even how do you even look this dude in like, oh, dude, man. How do you look at your teammates after that? If you're in that clubhouse, this motherfucker rental, he could be playing against us next year. And that's the type of shit. You're gonna pull like, you're to do that to me next year. That's what I would be thinking. He doesn't see the problem with it. You know, he's got the hard slides into segments. I appreciate a hard slide into second base, like I'm not gonna. It's the other shit in between when he reaches his hands on, he's trying to tackle dudes like I missed the whole like hard slide into second base. Obviously don't spike anyone which he's done. He's focused. He's the reason why joys on at second base right now, like functions, rundown of who many Machado is because I had some asshole on Twitter who's oddly enough Twitter handle involved Orioles fan, taking up for Manny, Machado, defending Manny Machado. So let's just run down the list of the shit that Manny Machado has really done or the the issues that he's had. You go to Oakland, I believe it was twenty fourteen if I'm not mistaken, Derek Norris behind the dish to separate occasions, Manny Machado clips, Derek Norris clip if you will, with his bat on a back swing. The first time it happens. Doesn't check in on them. Nothing at all. Like never even fucking happen. Actually, you can see Manny. Machado look down and this is from the mouth of Derek Nores. I could see him looking down smirking at me smiling about it, and then it happened again. There had to leave the ball game with concussion like symptoms because of that. Okay. So then you keep the train moving, Manny. Machado takes exception to being tagged by Josh Donaldson in a play where Manny Machado tries to avoid being tagged, finds himself backpedaling ends up going to the ground, throws his helmet and brush ration-. Gets up and causes the bitches declared because he took exception to being tagged what he thought was too hard during a baseball game. So bitches clear because Manny didn't like being tacked. So then Manny takes exception to the location of a fastball thrown by Fernando Abbad. I believe it's the next day and Manny Machado on the next pitch throws his bat, Jared, take serve every week and throws his fucking bat all the way down. Third base almost takes out a Berta chaos bow down there. Third base who's done nothing to Manny Machado. So if you're defense is oval, it was meant for the pitcher. Just just think about that. Your defense is he didn't mean to throw his bat at the third basement. He meant to throw his bat at the pitcher. That's your defense. Okay. So. Are you kidding me? This is this guy. This is who this dude is. So then you fast forward to this series where on the backswing he'd clips PINA. It doesn't look back. Doesn't care to check on him doesn't ask if you're okay, nothing. So what does that do for somebody who is bore witness to the Manny, Machado circus and a lack of respect circus that Manny Machado trots around every year, I instantly go back to the situations I just laid out for you and recall them and go, wow, I remember sounding off on this and praying to God that Manny Machado just kept his nose clean and didn't do shit like this because he's so damn good and so fun to watch. I don't wanna think about him being this type of guy. I wanna think about him being a superstar, and there was a time that would by we're, Manny, was kind of out of the news wasn't being a complete asshole. But then this happened. Clips PINA the two slides into second base that we're talking about garage were ends up grabbing the leg. Are you fucking kidding? Do or who are you? What are you doing. I, I don't like that doesn't bother me as much as all the other shit that we just talked about, but did. But then here's the thing. You want that insight to the mindset. Ken Rosenthal gave you that I know Johnny hustle. Oh, no, I'm not Johnny hustle. Okay. Also, I believe that eight might Cup of tea. Yeah. When describing hustling and running balls out that I'm hard. Right. That's just not who he is. So you take that right? They're paired with everything. I just laid out for you. And you tell me that you have a defense for this guy being a decent teammate for being a decent human being. That's the guy that you want on your baseball team. As far as talent is concerned, I would love to have Manny Machado on my baseball team. If you're telling me there's a player that's a rung below him. That doesn't come with yet. You know where I'm going corrobos give me that fucking guy all day twice on Sunday, Manny. Machado. If you're here to make my team worse by virtue of you being one of the biggest Astles to put on a baseball uniform book you and go find somebody that will take that go find somebody that will be okay with bringing one guy in that's going to affect the other twenty four in a negative light because it ain't going to happen fucking here. And we had the discussion. A couple times now about is, is the are his actions and his comments going to cost him money and free agency? No, I said, no, it's not gonna cost them money, but I do think it could cost him a suitor. You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. If there's five girls sitting at the bar and I walk in and all of them like guys with beards. But four of them just can't stand a guy that's balding. Fucking odds. Odds are not looking good, you know, and if I take my hat off, Jared, I've just cost myself for fuck it. Suitors gonna. Hang around. So that's exactly what Manny Machado. Did. He walked into the bar with Dallas Braden's hairline into off his hat and fucked himself. That's what he did. Yeah. I kinda thought we talked about it on the star nine digital show. I said, you know, I feel like with Manny Machado being a free agent and we talked about the talent. There's no question. He's one of the most talented players in major league baseball. The comparison I use was the d-box from the clouds dropping the highest contract for a pitcher in baseball history in Zachary's lap. And that's reentered up. No, I don't. I don't think anyone had zek rank to the d-box in that that fifteen sixteen offseason. So you know the Yankees, the Phillies, whoever the big dogs are going to be out for many Machado regardless. But. There's a fringe team out there. There's like, yeah, I think we're, you know, we're thinking about pony up for this guy and making him the guy like many Machado goes to the Bronx. He's not going to be the guy. They got judge Stanton Severino like they have a bunch of guys like he'll just be one of the guys. If you talk about a small market team China pony up to make Manny Machado, the guy gonna like the Padres. So. Vijay. You see, Manny, Machado, go to a team that's got stars on it, studs on it. You know, I don't see that working out because I don't see many Machado being somebody that is okay with being held accountable. Yeah, I don't see that happening, and I see if many Machado walks into a New York inky clubhouse he's going to be held accountable by guys like adidi regardless by guys like Aaron, judge, he's going to be held accountable, and I don't know that that because you mean to tell me, you're gonna walk in to Yankee Stadium. You're gonna put on Yuki pinstripes and not run it out. At probably well, I mean, the fans, the fans, all the McDonnell Robinson can would disagree. Yeah, Robertson Cano or Manny Machado, though. All I'm saying is Robin, just one of those guys over to the hall of fame right now. Yeah, I know when he was with the Yankees, he wasn't necessarily going to all I'm not disagreeing with your points on Machado. I'm just saying, I think like like, why isn't he being held a kind of on the like the dodgers are veteran team? Why isn't he being held accountable there? Because he's a rental and the timing of it does like you're here to the Astle. You got it, Jay, you're here to win baseball game. So I'm not here to teach you the dodger way. That's not what that's what my job is chaser at least not here to tell you how things have been going in this organization. Clayton Kershaw is not gonna. Put his arm around you and take you out to dinner and let you know how things are going. No, if that happens, it's a, hey, welcome to the fold. Can't wait to have you for the push. Let's go get this thing done. Cheers. And they'll see a when we were fucking spraying champagne on each other, like the, that's that's how that goes. This is the second half the player that's just been acquired that is not the time. To bring them into the family if you will, they, he's a hired gun. Everybody knows he's a hired gun so and do hired gun shit go out there and do assassin type shit. All right. If that means Jack park meeting this whole thing. And like I said, the other day driving to the field in your uniform, it a heater and putting it out on the managers fucking doormat as you walk by in full Uni to go take your first aid be because you've been at the yard or seven minutes that fucking do it, but get it done and do it because if you don't get it done and you're doing it, you're going to get some shit talked about. Yes, sure. Are. Manny Machado, that's well, we have all offseason to talk about his free agency case where is going to end up what he's going to make the rumors sure that John Hayman is gonna. Do his famous spoke to close personal friends of Manny Machado? And here's where he wants to go stories in the Machado will respond by saying, you don't know my friends, love those stories. Those are. Those are my favorite offseason stories. You guys want to talk about the Mookie Betts, catch fan, interference, or we get what? What, what's what's there really to talk about their corrobos. I said it, you said it. I don't know how Jay feels about it, but for me as a stellar athlete as the only professional athlete on this podcast, I could tell that play was going to be made Mookie was gliding effortlessly through the night air, and I could see the projector in the flight path that baseball and I knew what was going down. He was making that snag no doubt about it. And then boop here come here comes some interrupted hands, those idle hands that just couldn't stay idle. They get a little aggressive, hit the back of movies, glove. It closes, he's not able to secure the catch. It's very unfortunate, flu print, for sure she'll west knew it was going to be out the cowboy, Joe smart guy just with through the whole charade of listening to a replay in New York, and it was like, fuck it. He's out. That's how can I can I ask you guys, maybe maybe you've covered this, maybe you haven't, but hopefully it's a, it's a different way. The tackle this topic. Can I ask why the call on the field. Matters. Why does that? Why do the replay officials who are reviewing the call? Why do they have to know or why does it matter what the the guy called them field shouldn't wouldn't anymore. Steph is system be that those guys actually don't know what was called on the field. So they have is Lutely no incoming bias. I underst- I totally understand where you're coming from and what you're doing there. The issue is what if I come back and I have him out, but you have him safe. Now you're just taking my opinion and my human judgement and throwing it out the window and implementing your human judgment based on what you're seeing on camera and your response to that is going to be yeah, Dallas, that's the idea. It's on camera. It's showing you exactly what had it was. In response. The problem with that Jay is that is still an opinion that is still an interpretation of video. So you've got one guy interpreting real life game speed, real time action. And you've got another individual interpreting slowdown and angular d- information at the end of it all it's still in opinion and it still interpretation. So you're either telling Joe west to let the world know that the guy in New York's opinion doesn't fucking matter, or you're telling everybody in the world that Joe Wests opinion doesn't matter. And it's only about the guy in New York. So you're either with accepting the unpire on the fields decision or accepting the empire in New York's decision. If you're going to just not tell them what's going on because you have to give them some context in order for them to make the decision based on the way that they have set out replay. Okay. So really what we're concerned about. Out isn't isn't, isn't upping the accuracy of these reviews or these calls not you considering about, but the policy concern, it's keeping the feelings of Joe Weston town and not correct. That's right. That's really what it boils down. Yes, and that's why that's why the pulse stands. That's why that determination is the scapegoat. It's the scapegoat because there's nothing left here. There's nothing that tells me that what was originally ruled is incorrect. So if it looks kind of fishy, the fallback plan is Nope. Sorry, there's nothing that can really tell us one way or the other. So unfortunately, the call goes against you. Sorry about it. If he would have fucked the call up, then it would have it would favored you. And that's the unfortunate part about it like I didn't. I had a hard time getting passionate about what side of this call. I felt like. I just didn't in the more I looked at it. I was like, yeah. Okay. Whatever you wanna call that I probably would have been okay with. But like it's funny to me that we've implemented instant replay to up the accuracy of the games on the field because the stakes are so high because there's so much money involved and get. We get to a point where it's like, oh, we we're like almost there. And the last step is to just like push it a little bit forward. But no, the owner hires feelings where we're going to stop this train like, are you serious? You're serious. Okay. Well, okay, I, I don't know. It's just. That was that was that was my takeaway, I guess, on on the less about what happened on the field and more about the process that was revealed about how we review those things. Yeah. Shot Joe west called Greg in. Really did. I'm not talking about not talking about the l. to play. I'm talking about when he had the balls strikes. That's that's my, that's my forte. I appreciate it guy calls the balls and strikes just just about perfectly. Yes. So Joe, Wes Helvin umpire. Nothing but respect for him. The Astros in that whole cheating thing. The spying thing, I don't know where you guys fall in this. I'm not. Obviously, I don't care now. I don't know that I cared even then. Oh, you did. Oh, you did? You did. Absolutely. You know, came down to creek Kimball throwing a hanging slider, getting bucking crushed, and you find out that it's because they knew what pitches is throwing you're not happy about? No. I mean, I plan the pitcher for not noticing. I feel like you'd be blaming the Houston Astros for having video and using it to know what well here you said you would be mister. Excuse me if they long. Yes. I wouldn't use. I wouldn't use the Astros cheat. You, would you would self admitted excuse? You would use every excuse vailable and that is one of them and you would use it now they cheated. They did cheat. But I mean, I feel like I would be a hypocrite to us as an excuse when the Red Sox got caught with the apple watches. So you've already been the hypocrite telling us that it wouldn't matter, and you're not of no. It would matter to you. It would matter to you. I mean, I just think the league is ridiculous for being like, oh, no, no, no, they weren't cheating the Houston Astros were just filming you're dug out to make sure that you guys. It looked your, it's understandable in context. Okay. It's understandable in context that defense because church, because if you're the Houston Astros and let's say, hold on, let's let's put it like this. Let me lay it out to you like this euro baseball team. I've a baseball team. Jay is a baseball team. I might be baseball team has been known to, let's say, where devices and apparatus that may or may not have lent us in advantage or a perceived advantage at times. Okay. Let's say you know that about the Dallas club when you're coming to play ups, but Jay Hayes team, he's never had any of those issues. You don't have to worry about j. doing that. That's never been a thing on your radar for j.. So when you roll into town, you are probably on notice. You are probably probably have a heightened sense of awareness about the potential for subsidiarity ongoing 's when playing the fighting Dallas's. So for the Houston, Astros when the Boston Red Sox roll into town or they roll into town with Boston, they're probably like guys of heightened sense of awareness. All right. Let's keep our wits about us. Here. We know how this club likes to do things. We know how this organization likes to do things. So regardless of any personnel turnover, regardless of all of that, we know that this organization specifically has it in him to do things this way. So why don't we try to head them off at the pass kind of like a a three hundred? Why don't we send our crippled Spartan up the hill and see what he can see? Well, that's what happened and their crippled Spartan God found out. Maybe that's the case corrobos maybe maybe they really are trying to do good for the baseball world because when you go to play the fight, Jay Hayes, you don't have to worry about that. So you're not even. It's not even the flight Jay Hayes. He doesn't even have technology to try to cheat. So you're not even worried about that kind of like the Oakland as they roll into town. They're like, what the fuck and Oakland as you were worried about the as having technology in that Coliseum to cheat and get our pitches or get any bit of information. They're still working with bucket homing pigeons out there. They got no chance of bigger at our shit out, so they're not worried, but the Red Sox. Now they're worried now they've got to send the crippled Spartan up to the mountaintop, Jared. So that's maybe what they did. That's how during all? Yeah, I feel like that's probably would have happened if the Astros were really that worried about the Red Sox cheating. They would alert the major league office really, hey, can you send someone to keep an eye on the Red Sox, beard highs? Everyone was already doing that about the Astros. Where the Astros were cheating. The all contacted the league offices is shave on you, Dallas shame on you, Dallas for trying to defend the Astros because they were stealing signs against the as. Direct attack on starting the fucking Houston. Astros were stealing the Red Sox signs. They're stealing the as signs and there were stealing the Indian signs. All three teams complained about the Houston. Astros nobody complained about the Red Sox. The Astros are just like, oh yeah, we're just gonna film your dugout during a fuck and playoff game to make sure that you're not cheating Faulk you dude, you're obviously trying to steal signs which by the way, like I think. I think it was just Burland who had this idea that we're not far away from like pitchers wearing like earpieces. I've been saying that for fucking fifteen years. I swear to God the day that that happens. I'm gonna. I'm gonna shit myself like the day that they came out with the green dots on the back of the helmets. I said to myself what a genius idea, wouldn't you love to be able to have direct communication with the guy out there calling the fucking place. Wouldn't that be? Wouldn't that be thing? Wouldn't that be great? Amazing. Would that be? So I'll take all the credit when that happens. Sorry, JV take a backseat. I'll take all of that. How would that work? Would you have like the catcher has an earpiece. The pitcher has an air piece. You eliminate mound visits, but I mean the bad is going to be there so that he's going to be able to hear whatever the catcher saying. So catch exactly the, you're going to have a third party there like a catcher pitcher. Slash catcher combination that is going to be able to like, hey, because the pitcher could step off or if the pitcher like just wants to get numbers on, okay, he's got runners on second and third less than two outs with a hitter coming up. Hey, can you give me those f. PS w. numbers again and you're thinking, what does that first pitch swing numbers again, with runners in scoring position, you'd be those f. b. s. ws again with with with risk first pitch swing with runners in scoring position. Oh, you know, he's, he's a forty, two percent guy Dallas. Oh shit. All right. Forty. Two percent. First pitch swinging with runners in scoring position that tells me now I can throw my bastard change up by to strike changeup and look to see if I'm going to get the information. I think I'll get, which is him being aggressive, early inflating at a pitch early because he is an aggressive swinger with runners at scoring. Vision, I will have the ability to step off the mound and Jeter that information in real time and get back on the mount in go as opposed to pulling out that no card that Joe west is gonna come in and take rip up and put his back pocket. Let's bullshit. That's bullshit. So that's how that's gonna go, maybe the hitter. Does the exact same thing, the hitter steps out and instead of looking down to the third baseman or the third base coach and given the role signs, like give me that again. Maybe he's looking for a little bit of information like she knows when this guy, because we all know the count goes from one one to one or from one one, two, one, two success rates changed drastically. So maybe this guy like a Kershaw, if you look at his numbers, he can pretty much tell you what he's gonna throw based on the count, win to look for when to look for a slider, and if you've got the ability to access that impo real-time buy just all your hand up and keep it a foot out of the. 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Dollars off of Leesa mattress at Lisa dot com slash barstool. That is l. e. e. s. a. dot com slash barstool. You know what we gotta get to something I got to address this. We got a circle back to the Manny and Adler thing. We're all you ask hats that are out there trying to defend Machado because anybody doing that because I didn't. Absolutely. I just. Right now, both of them were wrong at the end of the day, anyone that has played baseball before knows you're not supposed to put your foot on the bag like that nor leave it right there for that long. Manny Sint him a message a- disrespectful one, but no, you didn't send anybody a message. You wanna know why they tell you to get the fuck out of there at first base after you've made the play is so that somebody running down the line in a bang bang play in an effort to try to reach for the bad to try to make a great play on their behalf doesn't come down and step on your heel. Doesn't blow your achilles out on intentionally. That's why they tell you to get the fuck out of there. It's a clear out at first base as soon as possible so that accidents do not happen so that incidental contact does not happen. They don't tell you to get off of first base quickly or else. The runner has the right to kick you in the fucking lay. That's not the message sent at all. So everyone who Astles that's becoming at me talking to me about, got to get out of there. Otherwise he has what came to him. You're an idiot. There's a reason you didn't play any farther than the level of baseball you played. It's because you just process shit completely incorrectly. You fucking more on. That's the bottom line. If you think that you are as to get his foot off the bag to avoid be chicken tension only you need to be kicked intentionally several times, right? Ask her with a pair of steel toed bucket boots. You ask that tell tell them why you mad Dallas tub. I met fucking idiots, get you out of their daughter. Why? Why does he have to get out of there? Why does he have to get out of there so fast? So he doesn't get kicked intentionally no people so he doesn't accidentally get stepped on. And do we know the difference between getting kicked in your shin. By another guy's shin and being stepped on stepped on would be a player reaching out for first base and coming down on the heel or the foot of the first baseman, Manny, Machado 's foot never made contact with any part of it was his fucking leg that kicked out yours leg. You idiot clowns. It's individial go back and watch it and miss me with all your get out of there, or you've got what's coming to your bullshit. Of dallas. A little pepper here. What do some quick little topics. Didi gregorius Tommy John on Wednesday. Do you think that this increases the odds that Manny Machado ends up in the Bronx. I think it definitely increases Brian Cashman's interest in solidifying the shortstop position not only for next year, but moving forward. I don't. So I guess I'll say yes, yeah, you might as well. I still don't think he ends up there. I don't know why have gut feeling. I don't either, but, but yet doesn't increase. We have literally all off season talk about it. Matt Chapman, left thumb, surgery, Dallas, what you've got field reporter, Dallas, no issues, no issues whatsoever. It was something that had kind of him. Hindered him for a little while something that he took some time off away from. But. Be ready to go. Rob is ready to go. His hand will be just fine. He'll actually, I think he's going to receive the ale, gold glove for third base with that hand. So he'll be totally fine. Not going to be an issue at all hill only need to use one hand to carry that award home, and it might be that hand. So yeah, he's totally fine. No issues here. Interesting. Interesting to note. Thank you. Thank you for your service, Dallas Vladimir Guerrero junior hitting north of five hundred in the Arizona folly. Man? I don't know. I mean, he was my pick to be the rookie of the year this year. Never got called up if he did. I feel like tell me if I'm wrong here. Tell me if I'm a little over zealous. Maybe I might be probably. Probably if lot of Guerrero junior skipped AA and AAA, I think he still would have been the conversation. I mean, obviously like and to heart and show tiny. They both had phenomenal seasons, but I think that flat Guerrero was so talented that if he skipped AA and AAA, he still would have at least been in the conversation for rookie of the year. I completely disagree with that because guys have gone from like, what was it all the root for it to the Biggles, no minor league fucking around no minor league season. Dog I came, I came marinated hit a rake. I came marinated, I don't need no seasoning. I came marinated so Vlad junior, his marination in the minor leagues I think help because he is undressing the game of baseball right now, like the game of baseball is looking at flat junior going guys. This is supposed to be built on failure. He's. Each shitting on us right now. He's is shitting on us. The dude I seek really Cropper's wanted an early exit for the Red Sox from the postseason. Why? Just because you're the hours on a folic, you know. Because I know you've never been there. And the excitement, all the prospects, it'd be a place that you would really enjoy because a lot of these guys, these are the, these are the stool lease. The younger kids that are ballers that are that that that they know they're good. They're really good. They're all on the same team. You see some awesome shit in the fall of UC some awesome talent to the tune of Ladd junior doing his thing hitting. It's a prospect -ly crops and he's hitting over five hundred. He goes to the plate ten times in game six of those titties getting a fucking that's credible. It was fucking kill the guy. Someone sent me the video hit some like fucking comebacker hits doing the fucking head, I guess. He's okay. I. 'cause someone sent you the video, like my first reaction was like, is this dude? Okay. And they're like, yeah. Okay. But still, I mean, that's he's, he hits the ball hard. He's. It's not one of there's a lot of things in baseball that are like, I guess, kinda like corny, sentimental things that always said, but one of those things about like, oh, the ball just sounds different office bat like, that's true. That's true for some guys, it was true for for Mark Maguire. It was true for Josh Hamilton, and it is true for Vladimir Guerrero junior. So I for one cannot wait for his major league debut and the career that follows afterwards. One last note here. The Marlins statue is being relocated Derek jeeter the second that he bought that team as I fucking hate that thing. Get it out of here like now is one of the big stories when he first bought the teams like Derek Jeter hates the Marlins homerun statue going. I like I, I liked it. I liked it because it was just so ridiculous. Yeah, this is what you do. All right. You get you get a fairest wheel operator, or you get a, you get a roller coaster engineer, and you get them to put, you know, nine little bucket seats on this thing and you create a ferris wheel and you stick this out in front of the part and you let folks right on this thing. You turn it into an attraction, right? Because it's horrible to look at its ugliest hell, but at least make you folks shooting piece of your ballpark. Now you could ride this thing. You know what I mean? While you're waiting in line, you could ride this thing. Does it the new Braves, ballpark, like a fucking zip line. Yes. Yeah, I don't know. Do they spoken awesome? We should do it. Yes, we should. Yeah, that's see. That's part of the ballpark tour idea crops. All of the cool shit that ballparks happened. We need to go do that. We actually go and be a part of that. Correct. We is line in Atlanta. Yeah, we're going to be doing that. Jay. Yes. Yes. Twitter questions for us. Yes. Although I will say I don't think we've ever done a better job of hitting all the vast majority of the Twitter questions within the body of our podcast. We the grounds crew will be so satisfied emotionally intellectually. Physically, I years, yes, spiritually, you sort of touched on this, but I'm gonna put you on the spot Jared because Donald the cerebral wants to know. Do you see credit Kimball brat back in Boston next season. I don't. I don't because of the money, not because I don't want him back. I'd love to have him back. I still it's not like, oh, I seen them in the postseason. And now let's like, how could you move forward that guy's closers like, no, I love to have creek mbacke. I just financially don't see how that's going to happen when I feel like I also don't see this happening either. However, I think that a Mookie Betts extension should be the top priority, whether or not that happens remains to be seen. I would. I would say it's unlikely. But I do think that if given the opportunity, the Red Sox will try to extend Mukhi bets this winter, you also have inner Bogart's Jackie Bradley, some guys that they might explore extensions for. So we'll see. But I, I don't. I don't envision Craig kimbrel being back with the Red Sox next year. I think you're probably right. Although I don't think this guy asked me Tim head. It's probably Tim, he'd, but I'm gonna call them, Tim heads him head. He's been a loyal listener of the grounds crew since day one. We appreciate you Tim head question for you guys. If you quote a record breaking home run that you know will be worth lots of money. If the player asks for it. Do you keep the law and sell it for a ton of money go? She ate with the player for incentives or money or handed over no questions. Asked, let me know what you think. Thanks guys. I handed over no questions asked because if you do that, they're probably just gonna give you something anyway. Yeah, which is exactly why you negotiate it and don't get ripped off like corrobos just did. Here's a fucking, yeah, kid, here's a, here's a, here's a lithograph to team signed ball. Thanks for coming out. Yeah, no, that's that's terrible. Jared now hates everybody for him. Only getting lithograph signed ball, hurting Audi would know. Absolutely. This is what you do. You start with the farm. You start with the farm. I want. I need season tickets and I need a sweet, not a sweet for the season. I need season tickets and I need a sweet to one game. I would like a bat, a ball in a jersey signed by the player. That's what I want. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's. That's where you start and you go because it's they're going to hold on season tickets. That's a little crazy. We'll now you start to work out. All right. Well, maybe I just need like a month's worth of tickets or maybe you give me two series worth of tickets that I really want to come to, and then you give me the sweet while the sweet. I don't know if we're gonna be able to work out the sweet. All right. Well, then you know what? Maybe it's a card of some sort that gives me a hundred dollars of concession accommodations, whatever it may be, but I'm not walking outta here without being able to come back here for free more than once. I'm going to have some cool shit as well, and I want to be wearing the jersey of the player that I'm having this ball too. So in tell you guys can come up with all of that. Thanks for coming out. That's what yeah, addicted fan does if you're looking to to get compensated well and let me be totally clear. I don't even think you need the dickhead qualifier. I think listen, I'm not trying to do favors for millionaire athletes period. Like I. I, I get it. It might have sentimental value to them. If I'm taking this person's question at face value, it could have life changing implications for the person who caught the ball. So if you as somebody with a forty million dollar Bank account would really like this baseball that I'm sure there's a middle ground we can find. I'm not fucked giving it to them. Are you kidding me earned the baseball. Dance for me. Dance. Forty. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't want your jersey either. 'cause I'm a grown man and I don't wear other grown men's jerseys. Oh, wow. Wow. One of those guys, one of those guys. All right. That's a well that's a well established. Take peak on, and I've been over that many times. What else we got your. All right, Dallas. This is a little bit dated, but they wanted to know. Let me see if I can pull up the exact wording here. Just making shit up right now, this person. This is from Spencer shrum. This is Dallas. Why the hell did you jinx the tribe on part in my take? 'cause I'd like that answer also. Actually. I'll be. I'll be totally honest. I had first of all my mind was stream Lee right at that moment in time at that hour to evening. I had no idea that I was even doing an interview. No idea that I was going to be doing PMT and so they asked me, obviously, they asked me these questions and I, I wanted, I honestly, I wanted Cleveland to win because I I did. I wanted Trevor Bauer to be on the big stage. I wanted Trevor Bauer to come out and all the shit that had been surrounding the, you know, the the substance use. I'm not talking about drugs or alcohol folks. We're talking about pitching pine tar allegedly mushroom. Trevor Bauer by the way like as yeah, I wanted to see him and that staff on the big stage because that right there was. Going to bolster might take on how important starting pitching still is to this game. But that we this entire podcast without mentioning the Trevor Bauer and I are best friends now. Well, we'll see about that. Trevor Bauer of look, Trevor Bauer and the individuals that he keeps company with not huge barstool guys, jeered. Yeah, but Trevor Bauer is not in trouble buyers on a barstool guy, but he's a guy that counts. We'll see about that. What do you mean? We'll see about that. He literally tweeted like he, he tweeted out my tweet tag me in it, and then I said, I love you to him, and then he tweeted me back hard. I am. Oh, jeez. Yeah, it sounds like you can't stand me well, no, let's get him on the podcast. That's all. All right. What are you trying to say his friends, hey, bars. I know that and I'm trying to say it's probably not going to happen because the whole barstool stigma. I don't know. We'll see if we'll see if I if I face to face, whichever Bauer, I feel like we'd be able to talk them into it. Yeah. I mean, just in jersey, great salesman just has to get in the same room with somebody just get those just get those cluttering is in the right people and it's a lock. Yeah. I mean, I think I fortunate is going to be extremely disappointed because he's gonna start to speak to you, understand the chasm of intellect between you two and he's very well. This is over now rail. What do you want you want to autograph or what redone. Amount gonna fall for this. This this role attempt douse. I am much too tired to defend by intelligence pertains this conversation. That's what we call laying out. Just roll over. Let me tickle you kill your belly. Hey, before we before we go. And obviously, our next podcast will be our World Series preview podcast, which is very exciting. But don't forget the awards. Podcast is coming while. Yes, down it is summer saying Cisco and Ebert gave it eight thumbs up and said that it is arguably the greatest and most anticipated podcast in baseball, podcasting, history, one, whichever one, the dead one is said that from the great to the other leave it is, I believe it is Cisco. Gene siskel is the gentleman who's no longer with us. Rob restes is the man who is still carrying the torch. You can catch Ebert in Roper at the movies. Wow. Hieber that's like a nineteen nineties reference big time. That was, yeah. You know what that says. Where are we as a society when it comes to critiquing movies if we haven't gotten past Cisco in Hebron? Yeah, the new do, oh, was rotten tomato. Also, what was I gonna say, fuck, never mind. I don't remember. It was probably something about the awards pike. It was. It was the awards podcast where we predict the baseball awards wall also handing out customary awards. It'd be great. Yes. Custom awards are going to be hot of just say, oh, big time. And the the AL manager the your ward has already been one that's out to Bob Melvin. Thank you. Well, that's the sporting news that's very nineteen fifties. This is twenty eighteen and we'll see. We'll see what the starting nine awards have to say about the matter. That's right. I, I know the grounds crew doesn't give a flying fuck about sporting news. That's now they really don't. Yeah, we're gonna have to set up an award show where the grounds crews votes are the ones who stabbed the award winners. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's fine. We can do that. That's I. I think that's. I think that's something that should be done. What the ground, let ground screw vote on this, right? Yeah, I thought they should put out a pig. Give one of those group. Not like a Twitter poll will put like a survey where they vote on all the awards that way they can't see the results. I like it. Yeah. Until next week early next week next time because the World Series will be here before we know it. It really will be Tuesday, Boston coming to Boston, Dallas. Look, put it like this. I am praying for the dodgers to win this to win the World Series. Excuse me to win this to win this LCS. So that didn't have Machado in Boston. Know that. No, that means because I'll be coming to Boston and you'll be bringing your ass out here to LA. That. On. Yeah. Oh, you're fucking coming. You're bucking fucking hate the west coast. Oh, you're no, you don't. No, you don't. I mean, I hate how far away you did a great job last time you jerk. Your problem is the minute you get over here. You're not gonna wanna go back. Yeah, not gonna want to leave and you know that yet, you know, Ellen, Ellen fears. Ellen knows that the leash doesn't go that long. Yeah, she knows she knows she spear full of that. Yeah. I just I fucking hate the flight and the food on the plane was terrible and it'd be, I don't think it would be out of line to bring out. Yeah, she come. We actually went Ellen and I were talking last. We felt like it was probably in line for her and Jenna and my grandmother, maybe my wife to all kind of get together. Like that's gonna be thing jeered. Yeah, feel like that's going to be in LA you'll. Yeah. Yep. In LA I just don't. I don't talked about having to talk about pool party and everything here don't be selfish, Dallas, Dallas grandmother is not gonna fly to Boston. We're not gonna put her through that other. So how else is that? Entire group gonna get sit down and have a family meal. That's yeah, that's not wrong. Bring up a good point. That's supper, tight. Guess we're gonna go to LA. Aloe. Boy, go brewers.

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Starting 9 Episode 154 - Bob Uecker

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Starting 9 Episode 154 - Bob Uecker

"Welcome back to starting nine. Oh aw episode. One fifty four very excited for this episode for a multitude of reasons We get some meaty topics in this particular episode but also also we have an interview with a living legend. Mr Bob Euchre so let me just preface this by saying this he doesn't do very many of these So I think not. Yeah not just like people when we went to Milwaukee. People were fascinated that he was sitting down. And doing this So I I can't remember if I told this story before on the podcast or not but We were in Milwaukee Gi. We had done interviews with you know Yelich Moose Hater some of which you've heard POMERANZ But then Bob Euchre. That was not won a dream interview for sure. Not One that I was expecting to leave Milwaukee with so I I see him in the dugout. And I'm just like Awestruck by this man and Yeli introduces me. He's like hey I want you to meet my friend jared as. Hey what's going on Mr Euchre very nice to meet it you And I thought that that was going to be. And that was that would have been fine with me So we're Kinda like we're we're sitting around and we have all these interviews lined up but we It's a lot of like sit and wait. Which is same thing that we do on the spikes up tour It's a lot of surrounding sitting around and waiting for guys to become available while I was sitting around and waiting for whoever it was on the brewers to do an interview Mr Euchre is still just bopping around the dugout. Talking to whoever catching up with everybody and I'm just like all right. I'm going to go up to him. I'm just GONNA I'm just GonNa ask what's the worst that can have already set up. Everything is already set up in the Doug. Because we're waiting on other guys So I go up to him like Mr Euchre Do you are you familiar with podcasts. And he's like no like As well do you WANNA WANNA beyond one news like yeah I was like well. When can you do it right now? I great so he just walks down the dugouts we we walk over to our setup Gamer. Yeah just ready to roll So yeah that interview with Bob Euchre is coming up later. Someone from the grounds crew. He's essentially the Andy Wong of the baseball world. Like you're not getting the sit down with him right you're not happen so Someone from the grounds crew tweeted me today. Today they're like. Hey what is that Bob. EUCHRE coming out and I was like wait a second. I totally forgot that we didn't even put that out. I was super excited about it when I tweeted. The pictures. Brewers twitter went nuts baseball ball. Twitter went nuts And then also it's wrestlemainia season the royal rumble. Was this past Sunday. So we got to talk and because he is You know he's a staple all in pro wrestling Lower as well in addition to being a baseball legend so we talked a little bit about that. We talked a little bit about his legacy and baseball. One of my favorite interviews. Ever ask him or me gene. I mean I liked meaning jeans interactions with Hulk Hogan because it they just play play off each other so great for Bob euchre being wrestlemainia. I mean that's that's just a memory that wrestling fans will treasure forever. Like whether you saw it live or whether you went back I can watch it like I. I mean I wasn't. I wasn't like a wrestling fan back then but I mean Bob Euchre nine even before that it was Wrestlemania like four. Yeah so he's a he's he's definitely in the in the Upper Pantheon of starring non guests But some news. Who's that came out today recording on Monday night? I'm in Miami for the Super Bowl. I don't know why I'm here. You know Cynthia exits just makes total makes total sense. I mean in fairness we did two hours of radio today. We didn't talk about football whatsoever so I guess that fits Miami for for Barstool radio. We're here today to to reports came out one of which next year Major League Baseball umpires whenever there's a play that's being challenged Simple is very simple and I don't know why they didn't do this sooner. But umpires will now be miked up and be able to announce to the crowd. What the fuck is is happening? which honestly? I'm glad that they waited a little bit because you welcome. I'm glad I'm glad glad they waited. Because I think it added another layer a layer of excellence to the To Ellie commentating tasting the Yankees Astros game. Three the when whenever there was something going on the field if you weren't watching it knowing what's going on I mean if you've got an actual explanation that defeats the purpose. But now we have actual explanations and those were the greatest moments of that live broadcast was someone who has no clue what's going on whatsoever on the field if they could would've been communicated with if they could have just been given just a little bit of insight that entire the entire novelty of that nights electric just goes completely out the window. It's done and over. It's not anywhere near what it was translation. You have people that have paid paid quite a bit of money to bring themselves their families friends would ever to the ball game. And if they're just the casual fan and there's a break can the action for whatever reason right it's a check swing or who who knows who knows what like what could get changed in. What could become reviewable Blah Blah Blah Woah? Like who who who knows but the idea that anything that has been questioned is going to be explained so that people have an idea because maybe you were and let's be honest. Maybe you were on your phone. Maybe you were in line and you didn't see on the TV what had happened. And now you're like kind of seeing replays or whatever and you're like wait what what and then you can finally hear the explanation. That's great especially for people at home too who are watching in with younger fans trying to teach and explain the game. Well we've always felt like that the umpires are doing their best work. If you don't know who they are you're right and they'll tell you that we don't want to be a part of it any more than you don't want us to be a part of it. We want to get in there and do our job and be done with it. Well there's there's some characters out there there's security. I just want people to understand this eight Joe Hernandez is going to have a biker. Phone folks Is going to have to control the strike zone. which is you know? We'll call that a work in progress. I guess to. He's going to have to remember to turn off the microphone and as somebody who does live television I know how important that is really important. A really important and like just just imagine. And that's that's that's really look. Let's let's start with the positives right. It's great that the fans could be educated not only in house but also at home and it helps the stewards of the game. The folks were passing this game on to other people. It helps them as well because not everybody played major league. Baseball -ASEBALL met everybody played D.. One baseball never you get it. So here's an opportunity to explain the game from folks that frankly they would love to hear the explanation from because these are the folks that are policing the game there and forcing the rules so now when things are being questioned you have literally the horse on the bucket. Feel that you want giving it to you right there. My my first reaction into this news was that it is. It has been Joe West Dream hot mic in front of thirty thousand people for his entire life and now baby. He's got it. I may bust a concert. We know he's capable first of all. I don't sleep on the cowboys record. Sales don't sleep on the cowboys was downloads. You know but but really look. Could you imagine like like what are we got. What are we going to set the over under two and a half weeks three three remains under song no not before he breaks it to suck at you? Could you imagine a Joe West in the seventy stretch like collaborating with the home team where he and his crew just go out to second base and just let it eat. Oh Yeah I got on the people need. Oh it's I mean it's going to happen. Do we got your west singing the national anthem before. He's before he's off into. I don't even want the national. I want an original they. I feel like you know what they should to do. is like on players weekend. It's like the players. They get to wear their custom spikes they get to wear the nickname jerseys and all this. Why not let Joe West just sing? Take take me out to the ball game but you know what I want Joe West Watch. Os like wearing a like a metal cowboy hat like once you you know. It's it's field. Proof that can sustain the the cowboy hat cowboy helmet exactly. Could you imagine embiid Dover and in apparel hot weather astles bliss chaps with Joe just ringing your ass up literally Oh cowboys asked us in the Jackpot. And that's exactly exactly what I think. Very will what has has has really kind of postponed or delayed this is there is a lot of interaction action. That goes on at home plate leading up to home plate umpire with the ballboys slash girls with you know the the everybody with with field maintenance crew like everybody and just the opportunity again for Angel Hernandez it doesn't just using him as an example because anybody Joe West anybody is as susceptible to it to leave that button on earth for whatever reason can that be blasted over the PA on wanted like who knows like you mean to tell me that for like I guess what's GonNa Aptitudes for the first time in America people are going to people are going to find out that all I got you. You need to tell me that the umpire the catcher and the hitter were all talking about somebody in the stands. You mean on all my what. That's a fair thing that happened. It's never no one's going to let you know. Maybe maybe someone's going to be hacking into those mics to just get them hot all the time. I don't know well look. That's that's where I've talked about technology going like I know. Oh man thing about the automatic stripes on Automated Strike Zone. You beat to tell tell me that people were going the links going to to run you know closed circuit television systems in their stadiums. That people aren't going to be trying to hack hacking into a mainframe in and and like trying to figure out how to control or indicate strike when it's just us off like say they know those margins down to the thousandth whatever millimeter and maybe they can hack into it and give that program just a little love when when their guys out on the mound. I don't know I have no idea but I've always thought about that like so the more you automate shit the more you're opening up to you know. I guess what I would call the dark web approach coach. Yeah that's why I never wanNA SEE ROBOT UPS like I. I've said this before I'm sticking with my take I enjoy the masochism Asoka some of the human element. I enjoy UMPIRES getting calls wrong and that illicit like having an emotional response that I can. I can project on the internet or on video or if I'm just at the at the game as a fan just watching it in the stands like I like getting pissed off about bad calls it's It's just a thing of mine but the other thing that they're talking about speaking of Eliciting emotional responses the D. H.. Coming to to the National League reportedly in Twenty Twenty One COUPLA. Some Nash League fans are upset with this. I'm sure we all have maybe similar but perhaps differing opinions on this. I think that with the D. H.. And there was some push back to this but there were some National League Fan. When I first started a a Barstool I remember one of the first blogs I wrote was about the age of the National League and the pushback was immense from nationally fans? I feel like if you're a national league fan you hate the D. H.. Until you get a good one like you mean to tell me you'd rather have Jacob degrom at the plate then Nelson in crews like you're a fucking liar like oh well the strategy and it's like it doesn't make the game like less strategical than to have you know if you have A. Ah My point. Was that clean out his work but the people combating the idea of the your simple-minded baseball fan because you need need high scoring games to enjoy them that's not true. I would rather see a one. Nothing pitchers duel. Where an ace is carving up a Nelson Cruz type verses a pitcher? That just doesn't want to be at home plate. Just be honest and and this is what I would. This is what you hit every national league fan or nationally diehard or even baseball purist with which I've said many times I consider myself a purist because I like like to be a ballplayer is to be able to get on the mound and throw strikes and get outs get into batter's box and handled about to a certain extent like that's being a ballplayer ballplayer right. Well the game of baseball doesn't lend itself to that ballplayer. Those guys are anomalies. We call those guys Babe Ruth and Shohei Tony Right. And that's that's how that goes so everybody else quite literally everybody else is just you know fanfare. It's just Chinese stuff to watch mad bomb. Lean into one because you know out of the pool of Regular guys out of the pool of pitchers he's probably one of the guys you'd love to see hitting Homerun Derby but now you're getting into like we got a filter this Guy Outta Outta here. Well let me ask you this nationally vans. Here's what you hit him with jared. Were you really excited where you're really excited when the game was on the line and you didn't have degrom at the dish laying down a bunch you had any buddy else but degrom ROMM right. Yeah you were you were you you were telling yourself man you know what like secretly thank God right here. We've got a an and that right there here is all you need to realize. It's not about your love for the game changing. That's not what's happening. It's understanding that this game and has gone in such a direction and frankly fairly quickly with You know with everything. It's becoming involved the way that we're assessing these players and I'm serious. Mandalay WanNa see you don't want to talk about the brewers who lost who lost pitchers because they're diagnosed databases in order to mean like. Why are they on the base and and that's because they're pinch running for guys? Look I understand pitchers get used stuff like that but you bring in like you just jared. There's just a different brand into baseball and nobody wants to watch. Nobody wants to watch that small ball game anymore. As much as you don't want to admit it or as much as I hate to think about baseball you it just killing off the bunt and kill it. Because I'm a huge fan of putting pressure on the other team. I'm a huge fan of that but along in that vein. I'm I'm not doing much to put pressure on you if you've got an out here an nine hole right that and I think you you know if they do switch over to having the D. H.. In the National League than you know twenty five years from now baseball fans will be looking back. You know these young kids. Will we look back beyond like wait a second. You mean to tell me that you had to leagues playing by two completely different sets of rules to compete for the same championship championship. Like in what other sport does that happen right. Say that. Just say that to yourself. That's seriously like thinking about Canadian football or I don't know about Canadian. WanNa miss speed or Because I don't know if that's true but in arena football like you can have your receiver not only in motion. But moving. Towards the Line of scrimmage right you imagine allowing dudes in the NFL but like only in the AFC to be able to do that. Like all their receivers get to do that. And then based on the record like Like I don't know how they would do it in football because it's one game not a series but like for one half your receivers can actually move towards the line of scrimmage so you've got three wide two of these mother. fuckers are already at four four top speed bowl and you're just not used to defending that as just like like the extra point is just like a different amount of yards back from the goalpost in the AFC compared to the NFC. Like it's crazy. Like like I I don't know I. I'm an American League Fan. Obviously Grew up loving edgar grew Martinez got to witness David Ortiz entire career with the red sox. big fan of Nelson Cruz. So it's yeah I mean like not every team is going I have a Stud D. H.. That's first and foremost like if you add the D. H.. The National League. That doesn't mean that every team is going to go out there and immediately implement of forty home run hitter In the middle of their order. Who doesn't have to play defense? That's just not the case. Some teams will use that d. h. spot to rotate guys in and out To to give guys a day off where From from being the field. Maybe you just put a Guy In Your da spot teams will utilize it that way. That's fine but at the end of the day you You don't WanNa have like when people talk about the strategy what is the strategy to strategy is like sixth-inning in a in a one run game and you have pitcher coming up and there's a runner on second it's like all right. Well my starter. Could maybe give me another inning plus but I you know this is a tight ballgame we we descend up a pinch hitter right now. And now you're getting your starters. outing short. Because you gotta you gotTa get this running and why are you calling the pin up there. Because you don't WanNa just get away an out right because you're saying I don't want to just want this guy over or I don't think that the bunt is going to be for whatever reason you're just not into sacrificing that out for that spot in the batting order and it specifically because of the individual that is batting that's it it's not because of the number number indicating order it is just about who is batting right and I'm not. I'm not discounting National League fans being like well. I kinda liked that I liked the strategy. I like the fact that you you have to make decisions like that. And do they work out. Do you stick with the pitcher. Like we've seen that before too where it's like. We're going to stick with our star because we value like we think we think like when the top of the order comes back up in the seventh eighth or whatever that we can push across a run inside his ball game and we. We still want to have our horse in the game for the seventh inning. Maybe later like. That's the decision that you have to make. That's the strategy that's intriguing to some fans but from a logical standpoint. You would rather have a major league hitter at the plate not a guy that just is gonNa fuck in either drop down Bonner Punch out in in three pitches again. The idea of a pitcher being a viable option within a lineup like a guy with a baton his hand and for me is really cool because it takes me back to the days when abner was throwing the throwing the all rawhide around right like the game was everybody's involved and like could you imagine rolling into town where all five guys in that rotation Asian like you're looking at a three-game set four game set and this club for whatever reason has been able to accumulate some dudes who are lights out on the mound and can also also dropped Dick at the plate. That is a serious problem. Like if you could look like seriously if everybody had to play the game where their pitchers did hit and we didn't even know about the D. H.. Think about what a precious commodity a Madison Bumgarner or is that green tea type would be right. Guys that are threats at the plate and not just in easy out guys that have to be pitched to to an extent. You'd be you'd be having your eyeballs on those guys there'd be a department in your brain trust in your think-tank geared towards those dudes Gimme the top ten two ways in the nation. You'd need those guys that's just what would happen. And I think you've made this point before to Dallas where you're like put the D. H.. In the National League and see how many managers sent a pitcher to the play. Like you think you know mass and Bumgarner Zach Cranky guys like that like they can swing and a little bit go back to the Mike Hampton days days shirt. The the you know they'll pop. Two three home runs a year. How many managers if given the opportunity to use someone else in their line-up are still putting their pitcher? In the lineup. Dontrelle Willis Shoutout autotrain starring nine grounds crew member How many of these managers are still using those pitchers in their line-up none of them like is you're still talking about like a a to ten hitter with a fucking six seventy six? Oh P S best case scenario and when they're sexy when it sexy to roll the train up when it sexy to all give me the the Detroit when it sexy is win that day starter. Just got his ass kit and he's already out of the game and we're like we're not gonNA burn a position player for this a B. So train go fucking dope bridge all right. Do you gotTa do days fucking Detroit and was batting seventh Comeback Star Days just a little bit just absolute but that's again it's the acceptance of a complete shift in the rules of the game because when you change the rules of the game obviously you changed strategy of the game and you change Rosser construction and there's a lot that goes John and that's what a lot of traditionalist are you know I don't know if it's on the fence or they just don't want it but it does come down to talking them into like the the advantages of utilizing somebody who hits for a living as opposed to a pitcher. That's not what this is about. This is about them. Just saying them being traditionalist saying the I get it but I don't fucking WanNa watch another good hitter hit. I like the fact that our pitcher can actually do x Y and Z with the bat and their pitcher. Can't I liked that. That's why I like this club. That's why I like this team. That's why you know what that's where the traditionalist are coming from in two thousand seven his last year with the Marlins d train hit a two eighty six with an eight fifty six opie s in eighty plate appearances chew of The in two thousand eleven with the reds his last year in the Big Leagues D train in thirty four plate appearances hit three eighty. He's seven with a ten thirty two of Yes yes he and all love all looked train right love to drain. You mean to tell me that you don't want somebody else up there. That's getting paid to do that. And you know I'd rather have the train up there but he's the only Guy Hi is the only guy who is paid to pitch. That would want up there. The point is that's what makes guys like D train and guys like mad bum so a special but met like Madam. He's he's just not somebody that you would d. h. prior to like like Detroit could very well have been a Otani tawny type like given the opportunity. You think Yeah you know what I mean. And that's that's the That's the difference between Detroit and Detroit's talking about a week with Detroit was like it could roll the bucket. Poll folks like this is a guy who can swing the bat and that that was what again. That's the difference is Otani could swing the bat. You D train. Three hundred fifty played appearances like he's a year. Whatever four plate appearances what's his career average to To forty four around there J.. Hey Interested to get your thoughts on the coming to the National League. I'm not convinced that it eliminates strategy and I just that kind of rings untrue to me because I still feel like there's going to to be Platoon strategy. There's going to be. There's going to be Adjustments based on pitching change. I just like to me I get it like I'm not one of those people that needs Increased offense or increased Game length either. I'm also not even convinced that this is going to significantly increase game length or anything like that. I think it's going to increase the overall quality of the product And there are things that we can continue to improve on baseball. But I just don't this to me is is GONNA if feels a lot like home plate collisions. It feels a lot like pitch outs or four pitches for the automatic or automatic walk. People are like. Oh we're never we're going to get this one thing that happened. One Time In thirty thousand Baseball Games We're never going to get that okay. Maybe we won't get that but I think we're going to see a higher quality of baseball on a game to game and inundating basis. Well Yeah and those things that you're talking about like the four pitch you know like I don't miss those. Do you ever think about that anymore. Yeah I do I guess you do because you played the sport but like I do. Yeah I do I do all the time because I know that there is a because I trust because I play it from a off. Fuck Manny I experience but from a viewing experience I would you can never convince me that that that is missing from the game viewing experience. I know that's not what you're saying but not at all not at all and I'm saying that like those little nuances in the game. The little things things right. Those are things that were part of the game. I don't want to call them. Wards maybe growths right without them so to me like there. This is a this is like the stack. And we're going to know and understand we're not gonNA just start making the pitchers in the. Al Hit that's not going to be a thing think so the next thing coming obviously is the D. H.. And here's what I think. People often like conflict when they're talking about why they don't like the in the National League. What I'm interested in pursuing and I think all three of us on this podcast? Dr Is a return to the game. Where there are more balls is in play where there are more fielding opportunities where there is more base running involved in the game? I think we're all in on that right because as MLB historian and John Thorn would point out. The game is called baseball right. It's not called that ball. The purpose of the game in the eighteen hundreds was to advance AH bases and keep people moving right so whatever that's the eighteen hundreds were not there anymore but I think that's the core essence of baseball. That's not what's it's going to be missing when you remove the pitcher from batting you're just removing weak offensive and viewing experiences from the game and what would be argued from the traditionalist standpoint. Is You know what. So you're gonNa tell me you're going to pay a guy go up there and try to do exactly what I'm not really into. which is just hit it as hard as far as possible and this is a dude who given six hundred at bats can go up there two hundred plus times times and swing and miss it? I would rather pay to watch that guy down. Force the guy at third to come in either barehanded. What do you make an accurate? Well injuries with marketing better. So that's that's it's the mistake. Is that the the pitchers putting the theory of pitchers putting the ball in play and that being preferable over a a DHCP HD slashes to thirty three fifty four ninety or whatever. The ball is in play that often. He's drawing lots of walks. Lots extra-base hits Shit like that. Whatever I get that? That's not the most appealing thing. It's a fucking lie that these pitchers are putting the ball in play and giving fielders legitimate opportunities more often half the time. It's some Shit Shit asks bunt your should ask but guess what has to be fielded and guess what that counts and just what happened that you start any other half the time. Sort of the take what happens. So it's like it's like Swinging swamp strike three. Oh that was fun. He's look like he was so interested in swing at the pitch and not interested in getting back to the Dugout is fastest fucking possible. So that he could focus on those pitches that he was gonNA throw throw next inning that he was gonNA take forty five fucking seconds to throw each and every one because each one needs to be perfectly map out and placed gives us fuck out of here with this shit. I'm you're telling me that those outs don't count they. They'll I'm telling you that. The pitchers are not actually putting the ball in play and providing dynamic fielding opportunities that we're all interested in those those weak bonds that barely barely squeaked past. Home Plate are not interesting baseball when it's the pitcher running and he gets fucking thirty percent down the line and is gunned out by a mile. That's interesting I think you're missing. The point is in these people's minds the idea and I can understand fully the idea that I'm what's happening here is my team. Just successfully forced that team to have to pick it up successfully throw it successfully and catch it successfully. All with the idea that we're executing this play with a serious intention to take the lead put pressure on the opposing team. That's where the traditionalist is coming from. So because it wasn't a bare Marehan play underhand while the well Aaron how to lays out and you're like Oh shit and it was a terrible throw but a backhand scoop on the backside to put a bow on it because because that didn't happen and you're not excited about it doesn't take away from the people who just think you know. What if I've got guys that put pressure on the other team? I like those guys as I liked. It's not it's not real pressure. Look at the triple slap lineup of pitchers universally in baseball right now. There's no way you can convince anybody who's paying hang any attention to the game that the people who hit a cumulative line like that are more likely to give you interesting baseball results than the cumulative line of what will eventually be D- The ages yes it may include strikeouts. It's also going to include line drives ground balls fly balls home runs doubles triples and singles. And you know what the pitchers don't Provide any of those things except for the strikeouts. Except well I I. You're I would agree. In terms of which product like which body work is going to look a better. The body of work from the pitchers the body of work from the D. H. is like the productivity. We really don't even need to have that conversation do we. The I know again again from the fan respective is they would really like to see. It's basically like walking up to to a I don't know like like walking up to a gun fight and go and look what I got. Oh yeah look what I got. Okay well you know what I can keep backing up. Why because my guns a lot bigger shoots a lot farther farther than yours does? And that's kind of like walking in there with a rotation of guys who can handle the bat that's where that's voting cyst. That's where the purest or coming from and what I would say it's is. It's been a long time since having five guys right could actually make an impact act like the right and I understand where you're coming from one prepared rasping for a present that does not currently exist. Not Available I would agree agree and they are yes. You are reaching in the past and I'm getting speaking of somebody who had made the adjustment from you know what let the pitchers be ballplayers. It's it should be a badge badge of honor it should blah blah blah. You know what no not when we're watching guys book and blow their Achilles out in the batter's box. I don't WanNa see that right. Don't WanNa see that as we're watching Adam wainwright blow is bucking Achilles out. Because he's bunting come I'll cherish Bartolo some run and I'll never I forget and I'll never think about the pitcher batting again. It's going to be great. I can hold those two thoughts in my head at the same time. Is there another. Is there the other occupation in pro sports where one single athlete is loved and hated as much like as a starting pitcher. Like we love of you on the mound. Get the fuck Outta my face when it comes to your turn at the plate. Wonder why I guess that's kind of. I don't know that it translate translates necessarily to any other sport quarterback not in the game for any reason rewrite Kyri on offense but not on defense tr- trae young tissue paper on defense all right. Well that was. That was a hearty any discussion. But I but I got to yell a little bit there at the end thereby feels good. Feels like they got their got to say their piece Some news notes. We gotta hit on. This actually says the reds agree to a deal with Nicholas Cast Janos The Reds Ed's agreed with deal with Nick Casts Janos who In addition to signing this four year sixty four million dollar deal is like hey by the way I'm nick again When I you got the chance to talk to him he came in the old old office? And what's the deal with. You Know Your Nicholas but you are nick. Nick like what's the deal and he was like well like when I go to like the Ballpark's like my family's there like my mom naming Nicholas and she wants to see Nicholas like up on like the video video board and I was like all right so you don't mind if I call you nick. My Name's Nick. I call me nick like okay so now. He's going back to nick. So he's Nick Cassiano once again as he had that conversation with mom I would I would. That's something that we're GonNa have to follow up on spring We're GONNA HAVE TO WE'RE GONNA have to get Nick Casinos back on starting nine. That was That was a fascinating conversation that we had He was with Shane Green at the time they were the Tigers I would like to. I would like to talk talk to Nick Casinos one on one because this is I didn't realize at the time when we were talking to him. You could tell he was an interesting cat. Yeah and then the cubs version of Nick. Cassiano came to light which is a completely different side of Cassiano that I don't think any one of us has ever we're seeing before So interesting guy gets a four year deal. Sixty four million Scott Boris works in. Not One but two opt outs in the final. Two years of the deal The reds first of all we start with the reds the reds are not sitting idly by there like a what You know we. We have some success that we want to build on from last year. And we don't just WanNa hang our hats on. Hey look look at what we did in twenty nineteen that plus some more in two thousand twenty. They have done work in the off season. You add Moose on a four year six rural ooh piece you add Shogo Yama for a three year. Twenty one mill piece. You go and get your. You'll get Wade Miley to your fifteen mill. Peace Right. I mean I mean they were not fucking around. They were like you know what we're looking at this division right now and we think we've got a shot. We're not we're just. We're not going to be doormat in it. That's definitely not going to happen. We we like them ws and I mean they went and now you add cast. I mean come on. Look at look at the outfield outfield. What were you gonNA put some of these guys? There's gotta be some moves made here. That's got to happen when you talk. Yeah you're talking about a team that has done. Allot this off season. And you'd have to imagine that they're not done they can't be done. I mean they essentially have three people competing for for one outfield starting outfield slot. Now right right because you've committed a spot to Castanos you've committed a spot unless he totally falls on his face to Yama mostly. Because he is now required defensively you need him in center field right. And so it's it's winker it's it's Aquino and its sell right competing for another one point. Eight block. Petrello brought up a good point. Mike Petrello brought up a good the point today that those three people who are competing for that spot have never put together a full productive healthy major league season so we saw Aquino was exciting. Last year sells really highly rated prospect. winker has been kind of hit or miss but I don't think it's the worst thing in the world and this is his point not mine but I I agree agree with it. I don't think it's the worst thing in the world to have some depth there and to have those things kind of sort themselves out. Let No. It's it's it's it's great when these young guys can sort of like like he saying shake aac themselves. Out One establishes themselves clearly above the others. You you get a you get to survey you know maybe some holes look on getaway a day. Maybe you've got two out of these three guys that are in the lineup against a similar type arm that you're looking to answer questions against like there's there's a lot of different ways they can play this and I also believe that if they feel like it's still a time where they're competing for the job that shouldn't necessarily summarily mean any one of them are just hands off in a potential trade that might push them in a direction where they feel really comfortable in their return. What do you think about that? Yeah I I think that's true. I also think that it's a little weird. How the team was put together? Well it's kind of been like not bad like it's not a criticism because I think ultimately like we're all onboard that the reds what they've done is good right. We weren't teams that are trying to win in the present. I just find like the targets that they went after to be. I think it's a little bit of a Clunky Kief it overall roster wise. I think casino's out there and have exactly he was still out there and I think Moose was a again a good player I think he and I think we said this on the pod. He was a little bit of an imperfect fit for this team in a couple of ways. But they're both good players. They both make the team better so the pitchers that they've added. But it just feels like wouldn't use Monte Grande doll have made a lot of sense here for a similar amount of money like Wall Street construction-wise I think Grondahl though is just I mean douse the opening video game right like you can't just click. I'M GONNA pay this guy the most Miami and he's going to come here and nobody can negotiate but like how how serious guys think the reds are like as far as central contention kick this around on with the white sox very seriously how. How serious do you guys think? The reds are like a division winner but like a team to be reckoned with like you you could we be talking wildcard. Maybe when we're when we're in like mid to late August and they show the graphic for like who's in the hunt for the for the wild card in the National League I think you'll see the Cincinnati reds there. Are they whole man so you got him so let's just or their. There are eighty five eighty eighty five to like eighty eight wins. Because we're talking about that's ten. That's like a ten fifteen win increase. Somebody ballgames it. When last year? Seventy seventy five West Sarah Miss. I'm looking at up. But seventy five sounds right and I I could see them running. I need seventy seventy five. Seventy five eighty seven so to win eighty five games. They would need to improve ten games on paper. I don't think that's crazy. I mean they get our for a full season in power was probably a net negative for them last year so you you'd presumably get a better version of him. Wade Miley will add a winner to you would think I think the two the two primary offense. I don't know what Akiyama is gonna be so I don't I'm not really gonNA pretend to know but huge. Yeah but Mustafa Kissing Listen Castanos the two of them have to be worth somewhere between four and six winds combined right on a conservatively So then you're looking at your already at seven or eight wins and that's not really even factoring in anything that bowers giving I think they're I think they're the best team in the division but I do think they're right there. Yeah and I mean the the only way that they're only route to the playoffs is to win that division in my yet there's no chance there. There's there's just no chance they snuff out a wildcard spot. I don't I don't think that's if you don't think the central has any chance to produce a wildcard spot Yeah because I I. I think one's probably coming out of the East right absolutely wants coming out of the east. I comfortable I mean we'll get to the diamondbacks move today. which definitely made them better? But I don't know that I'm super convinced on the padres of the diamondbacks. That's that's why I said because that's why said they would have to win win their division because if they're not winning their division. I don't know that I mean I. I don't know I don't. I don't know that they're in a position to overtake Milwaukee Maybe not now what about the pirates Dallas feel more so hosanna no. No No. No no no. We're not skipping past that starling Martin Bay to the diamondbacks leaving the pirate ship. This must be a tough ICU. Wearing a is that a yellow and black hat No it's not definitely I mean that would that would suggest that both Jay and I are colorblind. Well it's not a yellow in blackout. So if that's the case you are colorblind ords delighting in my office here but it is is actually a yellow hat Does it looks like some black on there though like a lot of it with the y'all let's Blue Blue Dallas so as the resident pirates representative. How do you feel about them getting getting a payroll? You're fifty mil look. I don't know I don't know when I became. Actually you build on them last year. You actually got off at at the end of two thousand nine hundred seriously do not suit. They achieved what they're looking to achieve right. They still had to eat some of that right. They think the one and a half million I mean come on what are they look. They got what they're looking for in terms of the book in a a first rounder back for whatever the the righty Brennan Malone they also got themselves international lending money yeah loss leader Euro. We've got two hundred and fifty K.. In the international signing pool as well I think that is probably one of the bigger net- positives there I don't know what you want me to say from pirates perspective. You've done an admirable job bob except for it's kind of like It's kind of like some other clubs out there you know it's kind of like you're gonNA start a talk graphs since two thousand thirteen and company back-to-back. Two thousand twenty years. Yeah he's generally underrated. I think the PD stuff did not help that. But generally underrated he's outperformed the contract that he's been on He's been at worst worth at least three wins above replacement in six of the last seven in seasons. He's a remarkably consistent player Offensively and defensively. I think you pretty much know what you're getting And as I noted on twitter today the pirates opening day payroll all is now right around the point. It wasn't two thousand six so that's good. That was fourteen years ago. Nothing games avenues have changed since then and look for the to. This also gives them. This gives them now four dudes. Who are knocking on the door if not already through that doorway? Yeah of thirty plus homers Christian Walker Kettle Marseille. Starling Martin Eduardo Escobar. It's four dudes. Who can poppy thirty? Yeah yeah no I I like the deal for the d-backs I I am kind of disappointed though. Because if they if they were on the market Having Ya Aseel puig and Madame on the same team would have been an unbelievable beautiful thing but that apparently is not going to be taking place. They missed a huge huge marketing opportunity. Huge huge huge. I'm also excited to see where PUIG ends up. Just for the simple fact that like I just I need that rivalry to continue forever. Is Jake lamb the odd man out here the d backs in terms of the starting lineup. Hundred One Hundred Times Eduardo. Escobar going best. That would seem to leave jake lamb as the regular her. WHO's not regular anymore fair not? It's not unfair. It's not unfair. I mean they paid Kole Calhoun. They paid David Peralta this off season. They've they've sort of flashes. Yeah they've the writings on the wall. That's Kinda I. I don't know I won't say fun. But starting march as a good player they just added probably the second best player I think he had a career year in slugging percentage and his last year his wins above replacement is like all over the fucking place though Martin. Yeah no I'd the three plus in six of the last seven seasons. Yeah three plus. But it's like all right here. We go five point. Two four point seven five point the one point seven point nine. Yes but you guys. Are you guys looking at explained baseball reference and I was looking at fan graphs but I still think even if you look at baseball reference I still think. Generally you're looking at a pretty consistent player with the exception of the two thousand seventeen year. That'll just forever Piss me off that you could be just just numbers off based on whichever one you're referencing whether it's pretty consistent it's pretty consistent it's okay We all strive constantly striving for something closer to Perfection Dallas in life rather than Sir Marcello Zona to the braves urine declined the qualifying offer for just a shade under this yeah and gets eighteen million on a one year deal with the new team thoughts. I I didn't really I don't I don't understand the and why not was. There's just no money there for him. Yeah yeah there's just no interest I mean I guess I do understand understand but no I don't I don't really understand why Mike Mushtaq is for example gets paid Marcella mantras. He's GonNa play a defensive position that they they need they need so you don't just plop somebody up in the Middle Infield. That's why like you can't hide somebody in the Middle Infield so suppose the reds are absolutely banking on Moose being a more than serviceable defender and Marcelo Zunino. Like we see what kind of adventure that can be at times defensively so one of my favorite favorite highlights of the entire season. What to call it zoo? It's a zoo. We're doing but I was going to say. Is it fair to call him. One of the most I difficult players in terms of describing. How good he is? How good is I? Don't have any idea. Well let me put that in perspective for J. When you think of the last four years sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen right. What those lineups look like that he was on you? Look at the production Shen and it's kind of been peak ish in valley peak ish and values there's been some ups and downs in two thousand sixteen two thousand seventeen. We're talking about hitting a lineup lineup. That had the likes of JT. Realm you till the Games best offensive Catcher Dee Gordon at the time who was setting tables martine pro hitting over three hundred Yeli as well stanton those those kind of power threats are just bored. The Big Bopper from the left side. That's the kind of lineup. That Marcelo's Oona found himself smack DAB in the middle of so RBI VI opportunities. Were there the idea that he was getting pitches to hit so fuckers behind him were not being like all of that was very real and in those years he performed and then experienced a drop off two thousand sixteen seven Seventy-three Twenty-three Jack Seventy six. RBI's two thousand seventeen again kind of that same lineup from two thousand sixteen in Miami Nine Twenty four ups thirty-seven Jack. One Hundred Twenty four stakes folks so part of that. PK Valley's performance right and number two thousand seventeen. He hit forth a lot in that lineup. So he was a he was the vein. You know what I'm saying. He was the main vein sort of but only. Because you had to deal with Yellow Jen Stanton and some of these other guys in that same lineup. Two dollars he was just like you also have to consider. Yelich wasn't Yelich yet. Like he was very good senator. He wasn't the MVP like the the the superstar that he is is now like that was the year that stand hit fifty nine and then if you look at it I mean like if it worked for Stanton popping off fifty nine homers and seventeen the year that Marcello Zona Zone A had that year was like in the conversation for MVP. I'm pretty sure he's still finish top ten that year and I mean who saw in just the thing for Yali. The baseball's hadn't come yet right. Because we've seen look folks. You saw the video from the all-star from from charity softball game. There's some are saying that that my pop pop like if you were to shade out the hitter and just watch the swing. Be Hard pressed to tell the I'm I'm just they. They did after. Move the fences in for you you but I mean that's that's neither here nor there. It's not a big detail it's just you know it's a minor detail. The point is Jay Marcello sooner would surrounded by talent surrounded by guys in a lineup. Who are not just outs? And I'm not saying that. He was ever surrounded by outs he obviously can perform. That's that's the that's evident Harrison Nuggets of varying tastiness. He's under his job has underperformed his expected Wilbur. In five of the last six seasons. Wonder if there's something about his swing about as bad path about something he's doing that doesn't have his results match up with his bad is bad at all Paul. J. What's his average launching over that time period. It's interesting you should ask that because that's another thing that changed significantly this past last year it was thirteen point. Five was his launch angle. His previous high over that stretch ten point eight interesting thing And I don't know if you have the ability to go back in time quickly while we're talking about it but maybe take a look at those numbers during those years. There's in Miami sixteen seventeen seventy and see what those numbers look like. And that was the only year. His is woah actually outperformed his expected Wilbur. The only ear that That he actually played better than his underlying line. Numbers would have expected him to his launch. Angle was ten point one which is his lowest over the last four seasons What see about what kind of batted balls was he put into play there so obviously the fly ball ball rate has gone up? I mean not not obnoxiously honestly so but generally his ground ball rate has gone down which is not probably not bad things strikeout rate up. He's pulling the ball far more than he did in two thousand seventeen so I'm asking you about the strike saying Oh. His strikeout rate was actually slightly lately. Lower in two thousand nineteen and it wasn't 2017. His walk rate eleven point three percent. That was almost doubled from two thousand eighteen The one thing I will about those before we move on his. Opiates plus adjusted for the League. Since two thousand sixteen one ten one forty nine one six one zero seven so in three of those four seasons he was a nearly identical player. The one that sticks out is twenty. Seventeen we'll see if that's repeatable. Wow Wow I also I you know. We talked about Tearing down a qualifying offer and he ended up getting like four or five. Hundred grand less I'm sure I wasn't reported that he turned down multi-year offers and it was. It was an issue. I thought I saw somewhere that he did have multi year offers on the table. But the the the AV wasn't satisfactory especially after turning down the qualifying offer so you probably tried to recoup some money on a pillow contract. I do like Osuna going to a team like the braves joining a lineup. That has some big time thumping it And and kind of getting back to maybe not the exact 2017 formed from an offensive offensive Production standpoint But I do like the idea of a player bidding on themselves and I love seeing how you know like contract years some guys go into contract years and it gets to them. They have down years. You're going into a pill you're caught like that's your choice. That's what you chose. I like to see the end result of that. I do you think like we're not. You're not thinking that Marcello Zuma's replacing JD. No I'm not known. No no I mean the production shutout Josh Donaldson again for for having A bet on me ESPECIALLY AFTER THE TRADE TO CLEVELAND Where there are people ruling out this guy for the rest of his career? They're like yeah. You know that this is it you know. He's on his last legs and then he signs the one year your deal with the braves and has an outstanding season turns that into a four year. Deal the twins Do I think that Marcello Zuma's going to turn this into a four year year deal next winner. You're probably not but do I think that the Atlanta braves can get Comparable production to what he did in in Miami and twenty seventeen. I don't think that's unfair. I think especially you know. You look at Marceau's soon as a first year in in Saint Louis that twenty eight thousand season incredibly disappointing. I think it'll be somewhere in between that. I think it'd be better than he wasn't two thousand eighteen and in somewhere maybe underneath where he was in two thousand seventeen. Well let's see if they can Let's see see if they can dust it off and find that diamond in there because there's no replacing the bringer of rain. Now just you hope you can forecast yourself at at least thirty pumps out of Marcell. That's what the what the braves are looking for. They're also looking to to dust off another diamond and it's okay. It's okay that we can just lost. Its shine most minor league league deals here. But we're give. This is a tip of the CAP. Really that we're even. Yeah I there's there will be no king Felix slander on this particular program Graham This is a man who's career should be looked back on as one of excellence Who you know? He gave his body to the game. I mean at at the end there. That's not a guy that can't figure out shit. That's not a guy that ran out of gas. I mean this is a guy that Injuries told the the tale of the of the the the latter stages of it. But it doesn't matter how or when King Felix goes out. We're all going to remember the excellence that he pitched with so whether I mean he's an easy to root for. We saw that last. START IN SEATTLE He had the send off that he deserved in Seattle Whether or not you make it was an act with the braves. Don't know but it was. It was incredible I was at that game. I was there for that. Start and there. Were people there early. They all had the yellow shirts on the king's court. That day was the entire ballpark. Everybody was a part of the Kings scored that day and he in like true heroic fashion after the game came out and circled. The the entire perimeter of the ballpark shook hands. Took pictures with fans even brought me over. gave me a hug. Just graduated him let him know. Hey man you are the king you are the king. That was really cool for me just to be able to kind of share that exchange that with him on a day where he was facing you know again you face your mortality at certain points in times. And that's what he was doing. He was putting to rest. The the legend of King Felix in the mariners uniform all of the great memories all the great teams he was a part of all of the tremendous moments that he shared with that fan base. He got to experience one last time. Let those fans capture their moment with their king and then move on and this is this is about loving the game invokes because it Felix Hernandez makes the team. You want to know what she makes when she gets to play baseball next year. If Felix Hernandez makes the team to tell million bucks them and it's not about I mean if we're being real like if you were to break it up an average it out what he's investing in terms of feeding himself training modalities recovery Shit like that in an offseason. Like it's not like he's paying to play the game but the Roi is nowhere near what it would be if you were to scale it down for average joes like you. You're metered nowhere near worth the fucking time. Were fucking pain. Were nowhere near it man. So he's not here for the for the paycheck. He's here to intentionally put his arm around some young kids in that camp. Show them the truth. Show them the light. Show them the way and continue to Passau. I saw the wealth of knowledge that he's accumulated over his time in the big leagues. So you're talking about a dude who's what how. How old is he? Jay Thirty six thirty is thirty six. I don't even think he's at all I think he's like thirty. Four King Felix is thirty. Three years to two hundred and ninety four days is Jerry. He's ask you this then Dallas. Let me ask you this. If you the Seattle Mariners and you're you're describing what the Atlanta braves want to do with him. You bring them into camp you you have. You have him lead. The younger guys got a guy like Sirocco over there who can really take a big step next year and become a a an elite ace in the National League. Why not if you're Seattle? Wow is do that with your own guys. It's a million bucks I mean they're they're doing a jerk but I mean it will point in time like do you have to send a message as well like we're not we're not the old guy purgatory and I say that. With all due respect but could you imagine as a younger player walking into a clubhouse that key Felix was supposed to have love you know left his mark on and in physically left behind. Well he still going to be there. And then you've got each euro the living legend as well kicking around that's man. That's that's two guys that are going to create a shadow are going to cast a shadow that some of these younger players might feel intimidated about trying trying to break out of you know and it is a great idea if Felix's into it to have him come back in that regard but this is also a case of Felix saying I. I want to play baseball so I know Seattle. The offer isn't to come in and actually compete for a spot. And if I do you're willing to see what I like. That's not where our relationship is anymore and I understand that and the idea of changing scenery is probably the biggest decision in his aside from him. Not Not having Felix Hernandez Chink Felix startup anymore. So Atlanta throws the flare up Felix Bites. And he's going to go and try to again leave. His Are On the mountain. You guys talk about some express surprise at his age. There are plenty of people who listen to podcast who did not experience all of Felix Hernandez and as a career like the basically the three of us did it's worth noting among all pitchers to debut in since integration so nineteen forty seven to the present. He ranks twelfth in innings pitched through age twenty nine and that okay so twelfth. Whatever that that's not number one that's not number two that is incredibly incredibly impressive? Because all of the other pitchers that are ahead or near him didn't debut in anywhere near the same era that Felix Hernandez did among people to like. Don Drysdale is the highest debuted in nineteen fifty. Six Right Sam McDowell is the one guy ahead of Felix. He's he's eleventh. Nineteen one thousand nine hundred sixty one if you only look. He's basically he threw innings because he debuted so early. He racked up so many innings before hitting thirty that it was if he was if he was pitching in a different era. And the only guy who compares to him in terms of workload in their twenties is among modern players. Lisa bathroom yeah. We're talking about for Felix from folks from two thousand eight to two thousand fifteen again. Two Thousand Eight two thousand fifteen seven hundred ninety six and two thirds innings. That's a shitload okay. And that is is again. That is what eight straight seasons of thirty plus starts easily two hundred plus innings in each each one of those lead this led the League in innings one of those years. I mean these are these are like Like when you look at Roy Halladay stats when it's like. Oh yeah like like you got five straight years of of two hundred innings and it's like when you when you look at a guy that a clip like today if you have a guy that eclipse is two hundred innings. It's like all right a two. Oh seven and two thirds look at some of these years from Felix Hernandez two hundred and thirty eight in two thirds two hundred forty nine thirds two hundred thirty three and two thirds two hundred thirty three two hundred thirty six like these are just like a unfathomable numbers when you look at today's starters and he was just wearing it every single year. A year thirty four starts thirty four starts thirty three starts. Thirty three starts thirty one thirty four thirty one like these are some of the season. We're talking about here where it's like his. He's thirty four years old but his fucking arm is fifty five He. He's he's definitely got wear and tear by the age. At which Max Sir debuted in the Major Leagues Felix Hernandez had already thrown six hundred sixty six and a third innings. Yeah Oh Felix. His shoulder looks on the inside like Bartolo. Cologne looks on the outside off. Wow that's not get it all. Love Love Bart. 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Euchre the interview that that you didn't know you needed but after you listen to it you'd be like my life is significantly better having the sultry sounds Of Bob EUCHRE's voice in my ears via starting nine So without further ADO. Here's our interview with the legend. You Bob euchre absolute legend the second that I walked up to you bought euchre an absolute legend. I'M GONNA send entire interview. Thank you so much doing guitar. Islam not really calm during the off season only be globe connected with the glove water but on spending time in screen printing in a lot of go to play golf while fishing. Punish these. The guys aren't wrong. You're wrong that these guys when they see you walk by your visit to the players. Who Do you have the closest relationship relationship with? I don't know if there's any one particular because they all must have we. Yeah it makes me feel on you when you're when you're at times by guys inch uncle was off last year. They did something. Doc shocking ways but on the playoffs. Wouldn't here yeah which might drown and gave a talk that much. Take their lunch. You guys think nobody helps me. I played so I know what it's like to have. That didn't ask for all. I know what that is so big with ruth in one way or another with batters. Alan Five Sixteen. I know if that's what I want to. I could talk about sneer. I don't remember Saturday. The visitors won't won't because I won't series planners failure you've now I've been broadcasting since seventy actually working couple years. Ford was not briefed. Finish my career with off. It'd be a lot of fun finished on there. Her and I worked with Paul Johnson. The seventy one were ruins the broadcast. I talk a Little Bit About Your coaching victory. You've got some guys have worked alongside you that our cost acting really fed up fed the most working with us talking to each. I spoke with somebody using Chicago. Followed the Irish for Minnesota. And the guy that I got your general I think in in Atlanta in on either side of my house they left me alone the first time ever New York walk down the hall. play by play with me. I think they were they. Were I any coal Yankee Stadium. Sending top steps. It's frustrating baked to come back now because I was coming I did one inning of play by play. They were sitting on me. Left me chickens. I didn't know what the it is. Lifeless I really baseball analyst. It starts arson older until nineteen seventy six nine Komo news one through on screen much work along Johnny. All also I keep thinking kicked me out. I'll speak doing what I what that's all in the backyard and acting you. Obviously you know what I think. uh-huh and plenty of based off. Last year's humor has helped you the broadcast booth during the years. Here's where it's just like tuned into one. On extreme. Things are very with get out of his so I I can. I can go back to the bring up. That is awesome stuff here form why I've scored entertain take these guys. Maybe why forms. Yeah so I was. I was surprised you didn't. You can still right now. The baseball which I love Baseball World Series on no to me. It's it's fun everything. Liberty stick around here to Baracoa embarrassing the number do that. I'll know when it's time to the Never Albany five the job I still do things. Did you take pride in. You know there's a lot of rock naps. Here's where if they walk out of the team and then covered. They're GONNA on Nasty. Looks you walk in there and everyone's is like Oh. My God. There goes off never lucie during the offseason fish together teams and they remain on your days off of alum these guys and gals expanding. They loved the Hawks. So what's your. What's your favorite Britt stories on? TV now passes story with a like a fishing trip down your favorite store. Well absolutely looking at biggleswade guy with Rick Manning now the Indian. There's so many guys that were referred. ooh What did days off fishing again. Whether it's Game Day off pretty much with the said bankrupt fresh within continued. Can't really your will. And in the celebrate with them to that was one of my favorite moments from last year's was seeing Z. And you get a chance to celebrate the Lord's you want as a player. What would it mean for you to the to? The brewers to win old series after all the years of doing all the fun last year. For these this guy to win again and get to a world series had been the one making any to Saint Louis and I was fortunate enough to be sable sixty four beat the Yankees feeling a lot of a a lot of green players. Never get to experience so last year when all the celebrating was going on all the beer and everything dumping loving shorted my face starts jerking off do you. You have a favorite story from lassie's a fun year. The birds came out of nowhere. I ended up finishing the best record in the National League last. What was your favorite story from that? And that's the ones that I talk about this so the other we had a great year. Here we we at the time was the broadcast the action everything revolving around the Milwaukee thing I started earlier and now you're full call. It is up there out. Let's see what does it mean for. You Outline your calls. His yeah every day when somebody on mytalk whole deal with all Alexander jumping up all our roles you take nothing spackling. Whatever you remember remember? We're obviously thank you for the first time they used it as I am. I didn't know what else to say. Let's what's behind listen. How Walmart opened in sixteen thousand one married? Is there that you apply works deal. Do you have a favorite Homerun you got to use your home run oriented these times the the big one. I think the big I need. It's it's all heart jaded Oliver's killing us now. We still love of your broadcast Winter House. Dave's that you lose all always kind of cover up with sir. I don't like making near the Bay once I get it. I get hold of winning Europe or the game as game so other big talk okay hanging around teams do as you wrestle mania media. Three three tally wrestlemainia. Three times. That story your story. I mean you were there for us a psychotic woman to wrestling history. You've got to have a story from that. No I got along with the restaurant and even on the fact that he was wrong raucous giant. I I feel like because I really sweat so I think he can take four Paul lobby the brains been spill. What's he like? How did you go this I? I have no idea WHO's working Saturday. Night live good central wrestling wrestling. Three warms I. I live Catholic average. I mean this with what they do the way they trained they go through less. You're around those guys. You'll see what they go through to to get ready for pretty good. That's unbelievable all right. Well we got to let you go. You gotta you gotTa you gotTa get ready in. This has been a pleasure. Your you're going to get contact weekend. I'll be here all week. So you got to go the Goldfish in the offseason. Bob You thank they disappoint you guys. Thanks Bob euchre coming on the pod odd Again that one just from the clouds didn't didn't go to Milwaukee thinking we were coming back with that So thank you again to Bob Euchre for taking the time thank you to. The Milwaukee brewers for for helping us make that happen as well the PR over there I can't relate to this ad because I'm in Miami and a seventy degrees but if you're in New York if you're in Boston if you're on the east coast. The weather is getting colder winters. Officially here from the Perfect Game Day outfit to the only sweatshirt you'll want to wear this winter. The barstool sports store has your winter gear covered. Go to store Barstool. Sports DOT COM to shop right now The hall of fame which is a time honored tradition. Not really so much in the sense that you probably think I just meant. It's a time honored tradition. Where Baseball Paul fans now head to the Internet to bitch about things in January which by the way is not a complaint like people talk about the fan voting? Now it's like oh it's a headache and the the voters that turn the blank ballots this you know you want me to play. God you want when you play judge and jury dude. We're just fucking talking baseball. It's really not just people on the world. Yeah it's really not that big of a deal we're just talking baseball and I think we should all be thankful that this is sort of built in thing that happens every off season to where there's no games being played. Some winters are pretty slow. Maybe the free agents like this year. They're already all bought up. There's no trades no trade rumors that are happening. That are super exciting You get to have a baseball discussion about your favorite players from years past and we got to do that again with this hall of Fame Class Derrick Derek jeeter one vote shy of being unanimous which funding kind of funny called it. I still don't know who the one person was. And will we ever know who cares. Who cares what the for two? Excuse me there's no such thing as the Super Hall of fame like you're out. There's no such thing as the Super Hall told you right now. I knew who it was. You wouldn't WanNa know. I'd like to know what their thought process was like. I don't care what their name is because people I want to know the name to like. Go harass them if this person wanted to remain anonymous and then they put their explanation on like some forum. I've read it. Yes I WANNA know Washington Australia who you are well. This is why I care who you are is because if you give a shit about the hall of fame and you actually care about the stories that should should be told about the game then you care about the people that are charged with the authority to put those stories into the public eye. And that's what the hall of fame is. It is a museum and if you are charged with the responsibility of putting people in there you need to prove one one your connection to the game and then you need to prove why you deserve that connection to the game based on your response response and your explanation of this ballot. I find it very hard to swallow that we have individuals that have the respect of everybody walking around in our industry that take it as a major major undertaking to explain why they have cast a vote that they feel so strongly about for individuals to be honored at the highest level that are sport acknowledges. Okay that's like Kavak. Just a bunch of assholes vote on. WHO's getting the Medal of honor? People that have never enlisted people that have never ever once come under fire actually actually have a say in who gets metal and what is considered courageous enough. What get the Fuck Outta here so oh for baseball writers people that have these votes they care they care so if you're one of them who doesn't kind of like this person? Whoever this may be we need to find that out and we need to weed that out because there's only you can only go one way? It's a vote though. I mean like it's it's not like all right. There's been so many hall of fame that we can all agree are slam dunk. I Bow Hall of famers and none of them were one hundred percent. And there's never been a witch hunt like like ever like this derrick jeeter witch-hunt to find out like Ted Williams like twenty. Something people like like Hank Aaron Willie. mays like guys like this. That had like twenty. Something people are in the teens. That didn't vote for them. There's never a witch hunt defined. I was just like all right there. I bought a hall of Famer. Congratulations can't wait to hear the speech. But Derek jeter again is the highest voting percentage in history for a position player. Does he deserved distinction. No is he. The greatest position player to ever play. Baseball knows even in the conversation. No but it's like and then you look at the other side of it and it's like all right if you look at Derek jeter's career is he undoubtedly a hall of Famer. Yes so so in that case. All right if you're baseball reporter or a writer you're a student of the game and you love the game in the history of the game. Then he should be one hundred percent but associate a shit ton of other people that never even came close to one hundred percents. I can't we can't go there though. We can't go there and the reason that this matters. Jared is because think about what has been forced fed to us from the writer stable about their opinions of character not mattering right. They're not bringing personal prejudices into their well. We all watched John Hayman on. MLB Network. We all saw what he said about how that went. I mean what No. No no John Right. That's exactly what he did was he admitted to his bias. Impacting voting for Curt Schilling right purchase. Ah He's the only one dumb enough to say publicly on MLB network but there are a lot of people like him. Well I believe we had another individual J.. A coworker of ours didn't he. Just just come out and say publicly that I believe it's Keith. Law Who is debating on whether or not to continue voting for the hall of fame and and it's because the one that got in a twitter spat with Kurt showing. It's like it's like I just don't like you because we argued over fucking like the Bible verses is like evolution yes a lot of stuff but but that's my point is is you either need like if you're somebody who has that responsibility and you are weighing whether or not to continue to carry that responsibility because you don't think you're capable of separating your personal feelings from what an individual achieved on a baseball field and his or her personal feelings if you're not capable of doing that and you're already thinking about giving it up kind of like we say in the game you might as well take the other spike off because you've already got one if you're thinking thinking about retiring you've already got one spike up you might as well just take the other one off so you're already thinking that you're biased isn't going to allow you to credibly. Cast a vote moving forward. Then you should give it away right now. Why let me play devil's advocate here for a second part of this Character clause. Why is it that the character clause is invoked constantly for PD related affairs and is seemingly dismissed as irrelevant for somebody like curt schilling Because PD's are not something something that would impact the every man on a day to day basis right like the every man's life isn't altered uniquely weekly by them taking performance enhancing drugs looking ripped and executed nine to five job but they're within yes. It's J. their opinions are like every man right so curt schilling as great as he was a pitcher of ice postseason performer. He Still Bill has the center of your your acknowledging. That's utter bullshit though right what. You're explaining why it's the case but that's bullshit. I'm just giving you absolutely not no. I'm not defending. I'm always into trying to look at things like give me the answer as to why we've already come in with. That's the reality. Let's let's try to understand. Let's try to understand the weight. 'cause to me like without getting too deep in the weeds on chill like there is a little bit of nuance here in that. It's it's not like forget. Let's put hayme aside for a second. Because what he said was if that's his feelings than that stupid like you can't let your personal feelings toward someone impact it but Kurt has said things and done things that this is not like I'm I'm against the wealth tax or I prefer small government. This is not. These aren't really political points. Alien Nation of this this is an active aggressive stance that curtis taken across the board on lots of different things that has alienated lots of different people. That if if you wanted to invoke the character close to me it would be just. It would be more applicable towards that type of content than it would be somebody the WHO took performance enhancing drugs and played baseball. You're you're absolutely right. The problem with that Jay is now we've got to go back and dig up all those ghosts right and we've got to tell you we've got. We either have to understand that human beings make mistakes and you're not gonNA agree with them all and if you don't that shouldn't take away from what they did athletically on a field of sports. Okay to classify what Schilling has said and done mistakes would be misrepresenting. How Oh he views those today because he had an interview with Bob Costas where he had ample opportunity to Show any level of remorse for what he said and he spent the entire interview. And I don't care if he's listening to this or not he. He spent the entire interviews Basically blaming other people and how other people react and that to me suggests that like whatever I have a hall of fame boat so it doesn't matter but like to me. Schilling is a little bit more complicated than people don't like this guy and thus they they aren't voting for him. Yeah but but but really though. I don't think it is any more complicated than that for the reasons that you just expressed is but it's not a dislike of the person it's there is it is because it's heretic. Laws that is provided to these voters that they have invoked time and again on on complete and utter bullshit and now that it is in theory being invoked on something that might actually have some sort of then all of a sudden it's just some personal gripe against a guy maybe it is in some cases because John Hayman clearly voiced right across the board to me is. It's more complicated the Matt and that's why I go back to the whole notion that you're going to have to dig up the ghost because that's what the defense is going to be is. Why am I any different than active members of the Ku Klux Klan? That people are talking about in the hall of fame. What that's what Kurtz going to say like I? I'm not a member of the Ku Klux Klan is what Kurtz going to say and removing people currently in the hall of fame who have been there for hundreds of years and then not someone and not actively voting somebody who's is not in their whatever it's that would be. That would be a step in the direction of you. Know really making that character clause something something worth of Note Right Because Sandy Ramirez could pretty much put later. If that's yeah I mean manny's Manny's kind of a different case. I did see an interesting thing going back to shillings on field performance. And this kind of blew my mind even as somebody who has really looked into. She'll statistics the goal record and to me a question. He's if you line up his numbers career with Bob Gibson's numbers shockingly walking lease similar in quality like it's unbelievable like they have the exact same number of career war basically and I'll say this this much about. She'll knows how good he is. Of course he does and he'll let you know it every now and then but to be in that Pantheon he's like to share a room with him or whatever like he's not beating you over the head with that stuff all day I mean and he's certainly somebody who has studied the game and appreciates somebody somebody like Bob Gibson and his and his place in the game. Whatever I just to go back to the very first thing that was said in taller fame conversation these these voters who are like we need secrecy to protect us from the mobs online? It's like Oh my God well you the hall of fame. Who'd late writers you writer get out? Well the writers said that they were okay with having their no. I know these people. Don't talk politics. The hall of fame directly. Yeah no the hall of fame the Hall of Famer. We're the ones who said we're not GONNA do it. We're not going to glad Larry got him. Yes yeah long fucking overdue Larry Walker. So I can't stand the the taught in the case of Todd Helton where it's like you look at the home road splits or whatever. It's like all right yeah. Chorus field helped out a ton OPIE. PS PLUS is ballpark adjusted. Larry Walker had a career. OPN plus of one forty one. You know who else had a career. Plus one forty one chipper Jones motherfucker got ninety eight point three percent of the vote in his first year of eligibility. Not Saying that he didn't deserve that. But Larry Walker did not deserve have to wait as long as he did. Same thing wins above replacement The average wins above replacement of a position player for the hall of fame is sixty. Nine Larry Walker seventy two you point six so this was a guy that deserved it should not have waited as long as he had to wait. I think this was a product of older voters is not being in tune with advanced statistics falling out the younger voters who do look advanced statistics. Comparing Larry Walker his the time period. Other Hall of Famers And and being like yeah this is what are we talking about. Here Larry Walker as a hall of Famer and now the voting represents represents that he's going to cooperstown long overdue. I also think this is an important. This was important and necessary step for the future of or the future rockies fame candidates And people who spend time in chorus field because Larry Walker I think I think the the deep statistical digging and the vetting that was done over his ten year period most of it done in the last couple of years really shed light on the fact that Larry Walker was incredibly productive in places that were not chorus field right like I think. I don't remember who tweeted it. Maybe it was Jason Stark That Larry Walker's road triple slash line is essentially Derek jeters careerstep different positions. Of course one of them was bad. shortstop one of them is a great fielder. But I mean there's no question Larry Walker should have been the hall of fame name it certainly in terms of like the actual candidacy and that weeks in moments and hours leading up to it. It's one of the more memorable for me personally. Just because he got on twitter he he. There was that video out where he said. I don't think I'm going to get in right or the tweet or whatever. There was a lot of speculation from the projection system. Not Not just Ryan tiptoe system but the people who make projections off of those trends most of those people were saying that he would be in or out by two or three votes the day of so it was very dramatic and his his video. Reaction was very cool. Nice t-shirt he one guy said he looked like he just got done dry like he just finished the Daytona five hundred shot over to the bass astor's caught a limit and then jumped in the fucking grave digger and just started jumping is monster trucks all over the place and then was like all swing by this little thing where they apart. Yeah yeah they're just going to. There's going to do this. Bronze there's GonNa put it in his hall of all live there forever. Now Yeah Either of you have any more thoughts on on on the hall of fame because I kind of want to jump off on the rockies mentioning the rockies and get into the no-one Arnaldo basically I mean this is a guy that sign extension two days after we talked to them. DALLAS SPIKES UP Sainz a eight year two hundred and sixty million dollar extension and says all the right things afterwards like hey I wanna I wanna be here for the long haul. I want to win here. This is my home. This is where I WANNA be. And then less than a year later the rockies are shopping him trying to trade the Guy Hi Nolan didn't put out a statement he I think he was talking to a reporter via text message and Because I you you know I don't basically said fuck fuck them you know you know what I mean like He. He was I don't there's some people back there that don't like They're not handling this well. And if you're Nolan wouldn't feel the same way where it's like okay. I understand I have an opt out in two years but we just completed year one. There's two more years before my opt opt out. I sign this extension good-faith presumably could have gotten more On the open market as a free agent any two hundred sixty million is is one of those deals where he referred to it as a as a deal the offer that he couldn't refuse. I'm sure that someone would have exceeded two hundred sixty million if they had the chance. That's the sign. Nolan are not always a free agent. So I'd be pissed if our him to it. Sounds like there's a a beef with with the general manager in Colorado and now if you have a a you know the rockies GM coming out being like yeah well. We're going to move forward with Nolan as our third baseman moving forward like well. He's our guy and I look forward to seeing him on opening day after shopping him for an entire offseason. So no one's like well fuck you then like it's Ah yes trade of Cori- and if you're 'cause you sign that in good faith and you said like I'm here for the long haul gone in a year. I don't understand I I don't understand though how a GM like how GM doesn't realize as angry as this guy is. He's angry because this one. I told him that we were going to be building around him and I told him that he was going to be the foundation for what we're going to be doing thing moving forward and he wanted to be here which is why he never got to the point of entertaining other suitors right so science for the money and then as you said you're finds out that he's basically being sold to to the highest bidder for what what happened Taylor when the other crazy part is that the rockies gave him a full no trade clause and he didn't even ask for it they're just like boom here you go full no trade clause so now if you're pissing off your franchise player and you're shopping him around. Did you forget that he asked to agree to it. I like he's like if he's pissed off off at the rockies in the I mean the GM obviously most importantly he's not GonNa do you any favors on the way out. Where if you go to Nolan? And you're like Hey the cardinals the braves and whoever the dodgers You know the cardinals have given us the best offer prospect wise. So we'd prefer for if you went there and he's like all right. Well fuck you them like I wanna go to the dodgers like well Jay. This has last. Say he has all all the power here he doesn't he doesn't though because if you're the GM you understand how passionate this young man is right you understand how passionate or not and he's he's not going to. He's not into wasting his prime years. He's he's identified this window as a time that he needs to strike while his iron is at its hottest and this window is now. So if you're treating me like shit it you're not communicating with me your shopping me. You're basically being two-faced but on the way out my options are contending places aces you think. Nolan aeronautics going to tell the GM to fuck off because he doesn't want to go to a winner let's not even about a winner. It's like what if you geographically ethically you. Don't WanNa go to cardinals. I don't WanNa go to St Louis. It's like I signed here. I don't have to go there. I think when you're talking about that money that's Where Nolan or an auto saying look? I've got what I what I needed. which was the number to be comfortable now? I can focus on my ring and where I get that ring by not matter as much as it did if this would have been a free agent type suitor ship or courtship. Excuse me because now if I have options laid out in front of me I've got a very good chance of seeing where these clubs are at right now like this year because for Nolan Aaron auto if he goes to a contender this year and that contender wins the world series. Jerry this bellies full. Oh for sure for sure but at the end of the day I mean yeah the the teams that are in the market arket for our contenders. No doubt but if he doesn't want to go to a certain team he doesn't have to he's got the full no trade He's got all the cards cards. He's got the leverage But I mean I will they will the rockies have Nolan are Nado in their lineup on opening day at this point probably because I don't think you can walk back publicly stating like yeah. We're moving forward with. No one is our third baseman. What do you mean to tell me that a guy who just signed and his perennial all-star Platinum Glove Third Baseman to a two hundred sixty million dollar deal and then turn around and put him on a trade block is not not going like that guy is going to be totally honest and forthcoming right? I mean you can't publicly say we're moving forward with him as our like like. That's it like they. The people are looking at them like. They're looking at him as Bro. This is just as bad as what handing a guy two hundred and sixty million dollars and shopping him that is what this is tantamount to. That is exactly what that is is doing is saying something that he's not going to do. I feel that's the world we live in. Is it not this guy's going to get up and tell you we're not moving them and then the deal that he couldn't pass up comes across his desk he's going to be so spiteful Vipul as to not move he's GonNa be prideful. Is the ego going to get in the way. That's the only question. Yeah it'd be a tough luck but I still think they they start the season with them but he's probably gone by the trade deadline. Well especially if losses ninety one games last year and he ate. He ain't having that man so he can almost an again. The team's got the final. Say Right they've got a sign the they've got to sign the paperwork but wouldn't it be something if Nolan could just say. You know what Y'all I'M GONNA go. Actually actually I'M GONNA. I'M GONNA see myself out of this team now. Yeah so I guess that's something to keep an eye on as of right now not going anywhere but we shall see Final thoughts. It's about Goddamn time we've got the microphone. It's about it's about time the UMPIRES or going to be in a position issued educate the fans But I am. I am a thousand percent here for the audio bloopers. That are that are inevitable. They're coming coming and I am here for. Yeah I just I need the I need the Joe West Concert got out got to have the Joe West concert just let them rip on players weekend. It's what the people want to give the people what they want. Jay You see Adam Jones get mobbed Japan. Yeah that's it. That's baseball culture over there. No I know it was just cool. It is cool and it looked like he was enjoying it to a little bit. Yeah it's it is a revitalization revitalization just a complete rejuvenation. I remember going over there and when we when we opened up against the socks and and like they knew do they knew who we all were like. They know that they knew who I was. I was breaking camp with the team for the first time time ever and it was because we were going to Japan or whatnot but they knew each one of us were right in there on you for autographs and Shit. I actually early. An autograph seeker had his pin out and like hit my sleeve. Like got it on my sleeve and like was trying to give me money for the jacket because he was like you know very sorry very apologetic but it is a. It's it's an insane experience. If you've if you've never experienced is like a clash of culture and Sport together Japanese Baseball fucking unbelievable. Yeah Brent actually just got back from from Japan did she enjoy it. The S she did. I don't know that I would ever go there but I feel like At some point it's going to be my choice. 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Mason and Ireland [hr 1]

Mason & Ireland

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Mason and Ireland [hr 1]

"All right, men, anything going on. You know, nothing happening around. So that was first of all, we got game six of the world, the National League championship series train night, but we have it right run into here. We've got the game for you here on ESPN LA despite reports in other places that claim it's exclusive not. It's not. I did by the way it's fun. I'd listen to showman the other day. I don't know if he's doing it again, but I listened to show them and do the game the other day and it's really fun to have them back. It's great. It's Wade Miley versus hundred ruin that game and Miley pitched good against them in game two. We'll talk about that as we go through the show, but let's start Lakers. Let's start Lakers. I was like, bam. Wow, the dunk and then the dunk. And then the dunk was like, just electrifying. I can't imagine what it was like to be in the building. John. It is going to be very fun. Legs did not win. Let's say that up front. They lost one twenty. Funds was twenty eight one hundred nineteen. So they ended up losing by nine with seven minutes in change left. It was a one point game. It was a, it was a completely competitive game. I have many, many thoughts on this game. Do you want me to start with the good or the bad? Because I have both. Let's start with the band. Okay. The the shooting. Well, you're not gonna wanna hear this. Okay. Michael's not gonna want to hear the audience is not gonna winning here. Good and bring it bring it sounds like when LeBron went to Miami k.. Yep. They started nine eight? Yes. When he went back to Cleveland with kyri and Kevin love. Right. He started five and seven. Yes, folks. I've seen this movie. I know how it goes this. This eleven and four, Michael Thompson pipe-dream even your nine and six is not happening nine six, nine in south that I've seen them play and. Okay. LeBron was spectacular. Last great. He he's unbeliev so much better than advertise. Yeah, he had six turnovers. All these were passes were no one was there like he thought a guy was going to be there? Oh, yeah. And one that one behind the back where he expands late in the game expected Kouzmin to be there and he wasn't. I am picking the Lakers to win fifty games. Yep, to finish in the top four in the west, I'm also telling you that there is a distinct possibility that when when he had Kyrie Kevin love. Yup. All right. They started nineteen and twenty and they made it to the finals. You said the other day that it would be an unmitigated disaster. If they started five and ten, it's five and tennis. That scares me. It's a real possibility and do not worry if and when it happens because if if it happens because yeah, they there are signs of this. There was an exchange in the first quarter. Yup, it was LeBron's I two baskets where he had a Tomahawk dunk. The Lakers gave up a dunk. And as soon as the ball went through the basket, demon Bessie, he did it again Michael, and I were coming out of our. Shoe. So I've actually got that call. All right. This is this. I've heard this LeBron James and I did it Justice. First basket is a Laker Lehman brings the ball in the players. Have twelve seconds, shoot stolen Brian breakaway and the first basket of your career. Is that the crowd feet and there's an answer to a trivia question lebrons first bucket, a spectacular dunk in the motive centre. Here's Lillard coming the other way with the no. Brian, they're going back and forth here up and down the other one. In the building. In the first quarter. Lasers Brun announces his presence, thirty, salute John Ireland. That was a great. Cole was like an all star. Yeah. Yeah. It was like an and the minute LeBron Tomahawk Lillard took it right back, say back you. Can you completely captured that moment? That was a great call. Thank you. And then it went downhill from there first quarter they look great. The thing that everybody's going to be talking about today is shooting threes. Yeah, Kevin of thirty including over sixteen to start. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So look, they were twenty ninth in the NBA in three point shooting last year and they didn't sign any three point shooter. So this is going to be a bottom five, three point shooting team. But if you're going to do that, I think they gotta make a decision. Do you still want to shoot thirty? Three's if you don't have three point shooters because look at the other stuff Mace points in the paint Lakers seventy. Right seventy blazers. Fifty six fast-break points Lakers thirty four Trail Blazers. Twelve, right? That's what this Bill to do. Run you to death. Get easy baskets at the rim. I'm not sure shooting thirty three's is I don't think you win in the NBA without shooting thirty three's I okay. You've gotta shoot thirty three gotta make them more visually and they will there. I mean seven thirty every night last year as the twenty ninth rated three point shooting team in the league. They still made thirty percent last night twenty three last night was up. So if you let me let me acted improvement for guys like coups by the way Josh heart. You know the, you know the hashtag write hashtag start. Heart is everywhere. I don't know why you wouldn't start them in place of Casey p and in particular why you wouldn't have me. And at the end of the game, exactly if Casey and I liked Casey p, but you gotta get more out of a starting to guard in this. League than one of three for six points and his heart was awesome. Is three for five from three hardware as well overall? Yeah, I mean to me, that's it makes complete sense. We'll Luke sounds like he wants to integrate lineups. Will he make that move? Do you think. Tomorrow night. Willie start heart? No, really. But I think it's gonna be in there at the end. I think heart becomes Michael Cooper. He becomes the guy that may not be out there at the beginning of the game, but of you out there at the end. Heart is also an excellent defender, excellent defense, but here, here's the, here's the thing about the threes. If I'm gonna accept your premise, which is we're gonna shoot thirty three's and just do a better job of it. Right. Okay. You still have to accept that if they shoot thirty three's they're going to be in the bottom five in percentage in the NBA that's that's how this team's built. So then you've got to do a better job of defending it. You can't have Nick staus Cus they end up, but that's an SU twenty four points like getting his next. That's his game, though. You don't leave. Nick staus gets three point. Nine. Make him go to the basket, but rarely are you going gonna see, Nick staus skits is let him shoot threes at all. What. That's all he does. I am the line. I am in complete agreement on that and you know defensively, there were issues. I pulled some some numbers here because I like numbers. The the uncontested shots for Portland were overwhelming. They had a lot of uncontested shots, and to me, that's one thing you can't do. You can't just let the other team shoot, and that's really what was going on by breaking Lakers news. You saw how they got pushed around inside a little bit and they were. They were unable to go Jonathan Williams that kid from Gonzaga the center six eleven who is so good in the preseason has just been signed to a two way contract by the Lakers Travis wears been cut. There's been cut. Okay. That was a byproduct last night of watching. What happens when javale McGee comes out of the game, kouzmine cannot handle the five at least not yet. I mean, he was getting hung out to dry that Collins got hung out to dry them Damian Lillard. I mean, he even Evan Turner would take the ball to the right said on contested shooting things. So the Lakers. Took fourteen uncontested shots. They made nine of the blazers took forty seven uncontested shots. According to second spectrum. They were twenty seven forty seven for sixty five points. So they were not running guys off the line and they were not defending the way they need to defend. And that's how this team is Luke Walton once this team to be built to be dogged. Defenders really athletic defenders contest every shot and then run people win the points in the paint. When the fast break points, they did that convincingly last night, but they were three to death and they weren't and they are susceptible to that because they don't shoot them while. And last night they didn't defend. No did not. So those and look who's coming in, yeah. Team that you more threes that shoots forty three's again bombers, so so you know, Dell, Maury, and Mike dantonio built. That rockets team to shoot forty to forty five threes game. So hopefully they'll look at the tape and did it, but I am in no way discouraged by that loss is night. Here's another thing about LeBron case. So that was LeBron's. Fourth debut with the new team? Yes, rookie with the Cavs. Yep. Went to Miami, came back to Cleveland, went to the Lakers own for this is the formula LeBron the beginning game he used the, I don't know if you have it, but he used the phrase when I interviewed him after the game. Instant oatmeal. Actually, that is exactly the line. I pulled out as fast as you guys think if you'll have him. It's not always kind of kind of compared, you know, to to like, instant oatmeal is not that fast. It takes awhile for to shoot. It gets where you, you can close your eyes and know exactly what your guys are. You know. So you know, that's what we're going to work towards to not only defensively, but offense really. You know, it's gonna be everyday process for ball club, and that's, that's what you look at LeBron's line really efficient, nine of sixteen twelve rebounds six. Assists the number that will change radically a month from now six turnovers for the best player in the world. Those are not known as teammates nine and that's what I keep preaching to Michael Micheals. Oh, I Roland, they're all athletes are gonna come out and they're going to the roll people. They're going eleven and four out of the gate. They are not going eleven four out of the gate, and then we have pretty good for something. Ninety six to ninety. Six. They could start in three. And then then the fourth game would be in Phoenix and how good did Phoenix look on opening night. With Devon Booker dropping thirty five. What is his game? Three. Exactly. So don't freak out with this start. Well, they'll be fine. They're gonna win. Fifty games. They're gonna make the playoffs, but they're not gonna be good. In the beginning LeBron it's going to have more games like this where he has a really good line with six turnovers and Brandon Ingram. I know. You know, here's here's one thing that I thought would happen that didn't. Yup. Member, I harped on you all summer and into the audience that the one of the byproducts Brian, caving v. other teams best player has to guard LeBron which means it frees up the other guys on the Laker roster to have lesser defenders. Look at last night, the best defender best wing defender. Yup. On the on the blazers is Alfred Camino. He took LeBron that left eight one on one matchup with Brandon Ingram and Jake layman who he should light up like a Christmas tree. I couldn't do it Brandon Ingram Twenty-one. He's not didn't have a great game at all. Yeah, hitting your recruitment had almost identical statistical, right? But. Ingram is twenty one. He is not like Greg, you said yesterday, you think Brandon. Ingram's gonna be an all star this year. Right? And he's not. He's not there yet. He might. I said, he's going to have all star numbers and not make the team, Heidi. Do your prediction is better than because it's too crowded. He's not going to be an all star. Yeah, but I think he's going to score twenty points a game. Last night was an off night, although it it, it helps a little bit that Kawai is out of the west and into the east because that'll for forward difference you. But I mean, still there are just too many good players in too many wings that are great. You know some make room for Devon Booker. He's he's coming. You got the four warrior guys that seem to be all stars every year. You know, you gotta make room for those guys in Houston, you know, harden and maybe CPA three Denver's better this year, right? So, but it's one game. Don't freak out. Don't forget if they lose tomorrow night, don't forget to lose hers. You missed really good coach team on Mondays phone to freak out. That's what we enjoy reaction to everything. It's fun watching these guys. Brings a whole. You can probably hear my voice brings a whole new level of fun. Yeah. And when they get out on the break, they believe we lost that game. Last night, they start running and you cannot stop them. There pace was Evan d points in the paint. Their pace was extraordinary in that game last night, and LeBron going to the to the rim is fascinating because no one wants to get in his way. He said recently in in that ESPN special that he looks at himself like a NASCAR and that he's trying to get to the rim without hitting any other cars, and no one is stopping him. And I got to see that up close by the way pace. I'll just throw this out there. Trailblazers Lakers had a pace of one thirteen point five net. That's the highest pace in a game in which LeBron James played in his entire career and that's intentional. Yeah, yeah. All right. Let's talk. Tonight. Yeah, tonight, let's do this thing we got. I got lots of numbers that support the fact that the dodgers are going to win this game really see. I really want that because I can't watch live tomorrow night. I know the Laker it's going to be such a such a Sophie's choice if it if if they force a game seven, but I got reason to believe they're gonna win. Tonight may in Ireland ESPN LA ESPN LA Mason Ireland, gigantic day, Lakers lose last night, but what a fun fun team to watch. It's going to be this year. Meanwhile, fun, fun team. The dodgers are in Milwaukee right there man for game six of the world. The keep saying the World Series because I've been talking to the bosses here in if everything goes, right, I'll be in Boston Tuesday. Okay. So I was shocked to learn. You told me for the show you've not only never been to Fenway park. You've never been to boss ever been to the city. Okay. Fenway park is the greatest baseball stadium I've ever been to, and I've been there. I, I literally when we stay with the Lakers we stay in Boston common and in the park or the duck boats are. Okay. And it's about a thirty minute walk defend way park and every single time I take that walk. I walk thirty there thirty back just because it is so cool every it is. It is one of the few sports venues in the world that actually exceeds the hype, everything from the green monster to the the kind of the quietness of it. If that's a word it it own. It is the man to see the dodgers. The Red Sox in a World Series came with the bunting and everything. It would be unbelievable. Now I'm, you know, here's the thing. I don't want to jinx this thing thought yesterday they made me do Idees legal ID's that say, coming up came one of the world well, that rather than hammer you for that. That's the way our world works, right? It's Friday. You and I aren't going to be here this weekend. And we're, we're preparing for every contingents. Yeah. Well, it's like I tell the story all the time to people you and I cut that Nike spot. Last year is dodgers win and we got paid for it. Yeah, tell that story. That is the craziest story. All right. So we Mason was in Houston. I can't remember if it was two, three, two or whatever to too. I was flying back after game. Five. Yup. And I get a call from William Kennedy. Nike's ad agency saying, hey, would you guys voice a spot in case the dodgers win the World Series? And I said, well, we could I go. You just got to promise me. It's never gonna running because obviously it's never gonna run if they don't win it right. So Mason and I recorded a spot there was going to be super cool. VIN Scully was gonna be in just call. He was going to be an advantage convertible. Yeah, it was. It was like be like career changing. I was going to be really fun and we cut it and we were all excited and they paid us one time and they said, if it runs, you get residuals, which means you get money. Every time it runs, the money was unimportant. I would have done it. I would have paid them. Oh yeah, me too. And be the same commercials, Vince gully and lo and behold, you Darvish happens and it never sees the light of day. So we got to prepare for this, but I hope hope hope. Get a chance to do that. But now of course, there's a very big hurdle to clear and it starts tonight at five thirty. They need one more win. One more win. You think my lease really starting yet eight. Miley star. Are they doing a nother subterfuge? No, he starting for real. That was basically his bullpen session before fifty thousand people at Dodger Stadium. He threw five pitches and walked Cody Bellinger. You expect the same lineup that they played in game five. It's a good question. I, I don't know, Greg, what do you think is he gonna go? I think that while he's one hundred percent, why wait? Yeah, talking about the dodge. What what do the do they start with Bellinger leading off again, I think bellinger's in no matter what I think they're gonna do. Yes. So I think he actually started in game two bedrooms. I know yet. Here's the lineup, it's going to be the same one Taylor leading off Turner, but lead off the other night. He will. He will tonight that just for the one in. Here's the, here's the lineup. They used against Miley the first time, Chris Taylor centerfield JT third base, David freeze first-base Machado short camp left Kika second peligro. Right? And Austin Barnes. Catching, that's the lineup they used. Do you think that will be the same lineup? I think it's exactly the same lineup, so no Bellinger. Oh, it was Belgium. Belgium will be in their Bellenger will be in there in somewhere in some way, shape or form. So who's in center KiKi was at second base right at second. So who's at center Taylor Center field is Taylor and right field is Puig's. A left field was left field is camp camp, so they'll probably can't play. Kemp wasn't in there the other. So no, against my lead the first time not I look, I think the dodgers were onto the whole. They were gonna start my Miley on two days rest and we're going to try to flip the bats. That's why Bellinger and Muncie. We're both in the lineup right now. Here's my, here's my issue. David freeze only has five. At bats in the series. And I would like to see him my my big question is by the tiny as they hit a home run in game two pulled back. And by the time you get to Josh hater and he's going to throw it tonight. He could throw two innings. He could throw three innings. If you exhaust the right handed bats, you're left with Muncie. You're left with Bellenger. I'd like to see David freeze stick in the lineup period. He's as clutch e as you can get. I one hundred percent agree with that, but I just don't think it's going to happen. I think this is way they have it in their heads that as soon as the starter, the lefty starter is out that is when he is gone. That's my favorite freeze. When they come in with hater, you've got all there of course, and it makes sense. They don't like it that way. That's why he left after one inning. Again, when after you know, there's a lot of gamesmanship goals. All happening happens all the time. That's why Muncie moved over to first base after they put them in shorts because they knew that Woodruff was going to be coming in so that he could just move our second. We can move right over to first base, so it's going to be. He's going to be taken out as soon as always take our dosier Kiki's been terrible in this series. He has had with five strikeouts dosier. We'll do really pretty ugly strikeouts, but he's also had a couple of pretty good hit. Yeah, he's had a couple of big hits that he did take two called strike threes in this series, which just pisses me off. I think that does is going to be another guy that's gonna come off the bench later in the game that they're gonna use in that situation versus hater later in the game. Yeah, right. So, and you're gonna have Kemp probably taken out of that game Taylor's going over to left and Bellinger and Senate. That's my guess. There's one thing that scares me about tonight. One thing, John, what. I will tell you next wearing a suit isn't just for job interviews anymore. It's a lifestyle and HP the new line of men's suiting only at Saks. Fifth and HP is modern shooting designed for your active lifestyle. Elevate your shooting game with NATO shop online to find a store near you at Saks Fifth dot com. I game six tonight dodgers versus brewers in Milwaukee. They'll be waving their little pom poms and what he calls their little baby ballpark. So here's the thing that I'm concerned about for tonight and potentially tomorrow evening. Kristen, yelich so far. Yeah, he's only got three hits and one of them's a bunt east five for twenty eight in the postseason and three for twenty. In this series, an infield single of bunt and a single to, right. So only once says he hit the ball for a hit outside the infield. I read an article that they haven't really given him anything to hit and nor should reuse since coming off the disabled. This has been very, very good much better Dodger Stadium than he's been on the road, but he's been excellent, and so he's due for a big game. And here's the thing I keep thinking the dodgers hit more home runs than any team in baseball, but they haven't been that team in this series wrecked. They're due to hit some. Dinger's. Yup. And I'm thinking it could happen tonight. The dodgers have only two home runs in the series after hitting two hundred thirty five in the regular season, and they've won the last two games without hitting a home run. That's that's kind of the reverse of the yelich like their due to get on track. And in that ballpark, it is much easier to hit a home run. Okay. So what's interesting is and this is a benefit of us living on the west coast. This game is supposed to start at five thirty night. Probably start closer to five, forty five. All these games have been really long, four hours which means it'll end in the east after midnight, and they keep doing this. And so I wanted to play this yesterday. Yeah, by the way they extra any game ended at two thirty back and and so if you want to know what it's like you, you're from Ohio. You know, Boston now is going to the whole city. Boston's could be watching these games. And by the way, if if there's a game seven, it starts even later on Saturday after nine o'clock eastern by. By the way the World Series times are out. All of them are right around five PM Pacific time case. It's a little better. But if you want to know how that feels to be eastern wet for people. Then in Chris Russo, he is the mad dog from Mike and the mad dog. So they are. They back east are are like they're bigger than we are here. They might get mad. Dog were like gigantic back there. I would question that, but okay, and they broke up mad dog went to the MLB network. He does a show in the it's a great show and keeping my to gets paid by MLB and he doesn't care. Listen to him. Eviscerate FOX TBS for these start times earlier this week on high heat number four. At nine, nine at night in east, they games over to twenty five in the morning, the Commissioner I guarantee he was in bed. Nobody saw this game and don't sit there and tell me if you're a major league baseball that you didn't have a way around this, the. Astros could've played yesterday at three and the dodgers could have played at seven. It's bad enough that games are on TBS and quote, unquote, f as one. This is the final four. This is championship big time baseball and a game on TBS and f s one that is a joke had don't sit there and tell me there was an alternative. There wasn't alternative. Come on. Everybody in baseball should be steamed about this. This is why because of that best one TBS. I mean, jeez, I mean they go up shuttles anyway my God, what TBS wants to have their part of the game leak. In five times, they can't support it three o'clock and Houston in game three nuts. That's okay. They'd be at stanks the game on. So we all watch it. Make it easy for us. Baseball makes it so hard to follow this. It's fee. It's bad enough about a million channels. TBS vein has a game on f s this game on FOX. It's your sport. It's your championship series. It's. Major league baseball, highest level, let us watch the game properly parts of the country. I don't get a craft that TBS wants to have a little leakage prime time so they don't wanna play the Red Sox and used it at three. They played at five. So they get a little plant who cares about TBS, jeez, TBS. Think bad for watching this yesterday. You're the man for the, hey. The toy eight. Oh, he's a great guy. I love him. He taught us semi Honey cake. Sorry. Kenneth dug out like brewers, thirteenth, any got twenty. Sodas ass off at that time. We know what the serious baseball fan like me. Got screwed. So nothing ready, stop fought in around you. You know, having used a put the games on earlier today. Let us watch it earlier in the day. Give us a break, his sabotage your sport. Well, we gotta get a highway. You're not getting rating anyway, fast. One, reading my ads waiting, take it better. The fan, who cares. Right? That's a subtle reaction that he works. Okay, but here's a, here's I want to challenge the contention. Okay, so the dodgers on Thursday. Is that right? Wednesday game five, ten afternoon two in the afternoon. That was a fourteen inning game and that, but see, that's not good for LA a. two o'clock start is not good for like it's good for Chris Russo because he goes to bed early, right? But it's not good for LA all these games. See, I want the games on at five in the west coast. It's not it's catering to southern California in the entire west coast. You kind of have to split the difference between east and West Point. Actually, I think that I was trying to figure out that if you're a kid in Milwaukee, and this is kind of a magical run for the brewers stay up. I did when I was a little kid till two thirty in the morning on, say, of course, no, I totally stayed on my herring my my parents. My parents were absentee on. When I go to bed, they were never. They never told me to go to bed. I'd want to bed whenever I wanted and by the way. Yeah, I remember I used to watch the Tom Snyder show at one o'clock in the morning, twelve years old. I used to stay up for Monday night football Monday night. Football didn't end till after thanking. I think most kids don't. I understand. Russa's frustration and remember when you and I grew up the World Series were games. Yeah, and they've changed. I think five o'clock is reasonable. Seven o'clock is ni- right. And these are all going to be in the five o'clock range early five o'clock Saturday night's gonna be pushing it Saturday night. Nine fifteen first pitch in the east. That's late. And is that our start time set? No five o'clock is our starting at six o'clock Saturday night. Is it six? The first pitch at six o'clock God. That's right against the Lakers Lakers tip at seven thirty, which is ten thirty in the east on ESPN by the way. What are you guys seeing in Los Angeles? And of course Monday I can. I can get these numbers but in Los Angeles, what gets a higher rating LeBron home opener or dodgers brewers game seven. It's going to be very clear. It's gotta be. It's gotta be close. And the funny thing is if there was an NFL game against it, the NFL would beat both of them. That's the NFL but that but in LA now lay I think game seven of the NLC s probably slightly out rates. I'll ride with LeBron I'm gonna get the ratings for eight to eight thirty on Saturday night, right in the heart. The other thing is eleven. Baseball's on channel eleven? Oh no, the NBA, right? It's on ESPN. Yeah, bet that they moved that too. Big. FOX saves editor move into seven just said in my ear, it's f. s. one against the SPN might not be able to because they'll have a football game college football. Oh, yeah. Maybe maybe I hate to. I still don't know where this one is. Like every time I have to go to search and then I searched dodgers and that's how I find one. I don't even know TV it's on channel two nineteen. I don't. I've spectrum. I think it's on like fifty something sixty something something like that. I say watch f s one ally. I still don't remember so stupid. You know him with numbers. I still don't remember the number for spectrum. Six ninety one under activity on. I like go search Lakers and that's how I find it. So I'm just bad with numbers, but I do agree with Christmas on this point. How did TBS get in this game. Okay. Why TBS would you be surprised to learn that TBS every other year has the NCAA basketball championship game every other year now they really do now. They cut a deal five years ago, the CBS and TBS televised the play the the final four one gets one game. The other gets the other. And then every five years, every other year, starting a few years ago TBS gets the title game. So TBS is making a move here. See last night and you're the answer your question is how how did they get it money? Yeah, because I was flipping back and forth between TNT which had the Lakers game and TBS which had the game wells at breaking news on this because there is no game, no possibility for a game. Six Red Sox Astros they just change the time. What do you got? I got Bill Plunkett your friend Bill Plunkett says that on Saturday, if there is a game. It'll be at five PM Pacific time on f s wall. That's good. Okay. So they can't date FOX, Greg, I'm guessing you're right about the there's probably college football games. You never hear, Greg, I guess you were, but five o'clock better only from you because maybe that game will be decided by the time LeBron tips off if it's two and a half hours in probably not these games go for really long time. Right? But maybe the dodgers can get up eight to nothing and I and then the whole city can watch Ron now. No, this is a hard decision for a guy like you. You were gonna. You were going to go to the Laker game, and I'm still in even if there's a game. Seven, it'll be on in the auxiliary room. Yeah, but you don't want wanna be inside the arena inside the bowl? Yes. I'm gonna have to run back and forth. I do wonder inside and outside. I'll go out there for the festivities. Right? All the stuff in before and then and then I'll run back in and watch the rest of the game. I don't want this is a dreaded to win tonight. Yeah, win tonight. Tomatoes. A native, get it over with. Let's go ru. Let's go using rule. Now. It's fish is VIN Scully using ru. That's what I wanna know. What I wanna know housing. Anything about what's Joe Davis using REU? No, I heard him say review two weeks ago was that it's officially ru. I heard from Korean friends who say it's rue, right? I got someone sending Rian fronts. I got someone sending me a YouTube video of someone you in Korean saying it, and it's like, this is what I'm putting up with with with spe- k. just fee is good feet. They say, hi, Luke is how we're supposed to pronounce it. Somebody sent me a video of him saying it and he says, Mickle, he says, make a loosey says, Michelob. You gotta go with what he says. That's what I think, but but drives. That's your about it. He goes, he goes, no, that's just, he goes, if you pronounce it in an American dialect, it's Mahato by the way I have. I had him actually talking three play play this, that this love. Make Luke Luke, you had the no. We did this before before. About this love. Mickle, Nikai Luke, no, you're, you're making that. Oh. How do you not hear the. Right? Like additioning for a jazz singer, remittance. Lou. Luke. I love Luke. Yes, I have no son. Oh, that's an old reference, but a good one. Yeah. Have no son? Yeah. No, I e clearly says Michelob Michelob how you not here in there because it's not there. I don't have you. The Lakers play by play announcer, how would you pronounce? His name is love myth Luke. No, I pronounce fee. Yes, feet. Sure. Is the right for nunciatures and rue is the right pronunciation. And by the way you'll challenge me on this, but I've heard it now over and over again. He starting to pitch more Rheos. Who are, you know, Rheos I'm going with Otari. Okay. By the way he's been good. He's been really good. I'd like he was in complete. He wasn't even nervous. You can start to see the outlines of really good rotation. Caleb Ferguson, it's going to go to the rotation. Like if if rule bombs out, I like the idea putting aureus in there and just let him go. I'm completely with you. Would you trade Kaelin Ferguson for JT real Muto for catcher next year? No. I'm not trading young pitching. No real Muto under control for two more years. But here's the thing we've got both Will Smith and keyboard Ruis coming. I don't want to tie up those span Austin Barnes is a good defensive catcher. You can. You can let your catcher to twenty. You know, you don't have another guy hitting twenty really good. Yeah, he's really good, but I'm not giving up Caleb Ferguson. I think that kid is going to be a dominant starter. He is really good out of the bullpen for them. I more let's go back to the Lakers next. Hey, Lakers fifth row Friday is happening today. Fifth row seats to the October twenty fifth game versus the bra. The Broncos tell where my mind is the nuggets you get an autograph basketball chairman club passes. That's where the stars hang out the VIP launch plus a super cuts gift card. Now. Hopefully you've been listening all week long because at two thirty today you will get a pop quiz. There will be a question from each day of this week show including today, right? Yes. So five questions. If you can answer all five questions, you will win the prize pack and you will have fifth row seats to see LeBron on October the twenty fifth. We're going to do it at two thirty today. Fifth row Fridays brought to you by super save time check in online and let super cuts get ready by the way. Daryl Morey general manager of the rockets will join us at one thirty, just confirmed that. All right. So back to the Laker game per second, I got a tweet from somebody. You're that you're saying, why did you fail McGee who played well only twenty one minutes. That's what javale McGee is. He is a twenty minute a night guy. Mike, you know, with the warriors, he was more like a ten or fifteen minute at night. Although this is extenuating circumstances. I mean they really don't have a backup big right in which is why they think signed Jonathan Williams. The kid from Gonzaga to to way today they have cut Travis wear just to get a body in there that they can use for fouls because at one point last night javale got hit in the temple and woozy it looked like you got hit in the head twice and he was like, whoa, like a boxer. He's like wobble. A little bit, and I thought, oh boy, he met for going to concussion protocol. It turns out he didn't any actually had had two or three really good blocks had a couple of great dunks, but he's not gonna be. He's not gonna threaten to lead your team in minutes. I think the minute leaders this year could be LeBron heart heart was great. You think you think heart. Well, here's the thing ones. Oh. This back court. Now, by the way I'm hearing people like national. I, I saw. To Kobe, talking about how Lonzo doesn't fit and all this stuff. Lonzo wasn't good last night, but Lonzo was also on a pitch count. Right? And Rondo is older, run a beer forever. So it's too early to give up on Lonzo of course, and the back court now is Lonzo and Rondo, Casey p. and heart. So you get fined minutes for all this guy's of those four heart was the best one. On your mind? Rondo played well until he found out. Yeah, but the the number one thing you're looking for is defense in three point shooting in heart gave you both. So I think heart if we were doing like, who's who's rising like stocks? Yup, who's rising and who's falling heart would be going up? Casey, PB, gloves. If you are on Twitter, you know, hashtag star heart. Yeah, I think eventually, I think of actually heart could end to end up being started. I think he's like a nap there. Now he's in natural to guard shooter, better shooter than Casey. P I would argue better defender than Casey p. Why not start heart? Then we also question Michael and I were sitting courtside last night and we did. So I saw you guys, do you like courtside? Yeah, it's way better. We don't always get it though. 'cause Billy Mackin Stewart, there looks. It looks fantastic, but javale McGee. I, I mean, I'll ask him this tomorrow when I see him, but you McGee has an inhaler an inhaler yet. Does that mean he has asthma? Can you automatically connect those dots? You as Matic if you have an inhaler or could it be something else? I think you do have that have to have asked me for using an inhaler? Yeah, I would think so. That might have something to do with with his minute, but he's always been about a twenty twenty five minute game guy. Yeah, he's not gonna play more than that. I just don't think I zoo doesn't figure. Yeah, I thought Kouzmouk you. I thought it was bad in the in the too bad thing. Figure out a way to keep Randall. Did you see random numbers in his first candle? Twenty five points. I love four from three. Can you imagine he him as the backup five here? He's ideal small ball center and win. I guess there was no way to do it well. Well, when we had rob Pelinka on rob said. That they had zero interest, none in a one year deal, and everybody on the team is on a one year deal. Right? He got he got two years with a player option. Right, and but only eighteen million. Yeah. No, I understand both sides. Randall didn't want one year and Pelinka magic didn't want to ruin any chance they had to bring in a maximum rewrite. No, I get that part of it. It's just they. There doesn't seem to be a good contingency plan for we don't have. We don't have a backup big right now. Yeah, right now and and this won't be this. I don't think this will be the same roster now is it is at the end of the season, I think there will be some kind of changes. Couple of updates of heard from two listeners. It says, McGee does have asthma. That's why plays a limited Jose Garcia, says Ireland. Some people get inhalers for allergies. It's not always. That is true. That is true. Yes. So it doesn't necessarily mean the inhaler for asthma, but a couple of people have said he does have that. So I would expect McGee to play between twenty and twenty five minutes. I think hearts minutes are gonna go up Lonzo I thought looked. Okay, not great. He only played twenty minutes nineteen twenty eighty two of seven. You know, I personally didn't think he looked. I thought he, I didn't think he look good. Look. I'm trying to find his assist. You only had one assist, which is rare for Lonzo. Rondo had eleven from three Rondo had eleven LeBron had six Rondos are really good. Passer on pretty fun to watch. I've always hated him because he was a Celtic, but now that it's ours, I think he's pretty entertaining guy. And for the most part, I was not discouraged by the Lakers last night. You know, obviously I wish they would have hit some more threes. They started over sixteen or over twelve in the bath, right? But the the points in the paint more spectacular seventy points in the paint, the fast break points or great all the trench Laker ace passport at twelve. Yeah, that just got to figure out the three thing. They can't be if they're not gonna make a lot of threes and I don't think they are. They were a poor three point shooting came last year, then they gotta do better job of defending them, right. You know, just get low. Like I'm trying to figure out what was the disparity. They made seven the he made thirteen. So they were minus eighteen from beyond the art, right. Love to see that number down around ten. Yeah. Trading for threes just tomorrow night. They're going to need to shoot. Well, they just are. Because Houston is going to bomb, are they really do they really shoot forty three's a game? Yeah. Forty five last year. A couple of times forty five day average forty four. At one point during the season. They're the they're the number one, three point shooting team. Now you better, you better defend then you better chase guys off the off the line, right? And last night the one thing Houston didn't do. We'll talk to Darryl about this journal Moore. He's coming on in half an hour is they didn't defend. They gave up one hundred thirty one point. It was and the Lakers last night gave up one hundred twenty nine. So something's gotta give. -absolutely are right. We've got a lot going on today. Lakers lost a port last night. LeBron a pretty spectacular debut one twenty eight one nineteen LeBron was twenty six, twelve and six and LCS game sixes tonight in Milwaukee, dodgers lead that series three games to two one win away from the World Series. Wade Miley versus Hon. Jin Ryu. Takes getting used to this and by the way Rams are at San Francisco on Sunday, that game has been moved. It's no longer son in game. I think it's been moved to the normal one pm slot. Kazan Francisco's awful since they launched Jimmy Garoppolo, but I've got a stunning stat that supports something. You have been arguing about when it comes to the rents. Excellent. That's coming up next. Do I have anything to read? No Mason, Ireland ESPN LA.

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Effectively Wild Episode 1473: The Stories We Missed in 2019 (Part 3)

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Effectively Wild Episode 1473: The Stories We Missed in 2019 (Part 3)

"Suceed in mind take it have and throw you're good. Hello and welcome to episode. Fourteen eighteen seventy three of effectively wild baseball podcasts degrasse presented by our patriot supporters Lindberg of the ringer joined by Saint Miller of ESPN ESPN Roseanne. Meg is not here today. Because we are finishing our series where we talk about the story that we missed about each team in two thousand nineteen so sam started. We figured same. Finish it but all three of us will be on the first episode next week so make. We'll be back soon so couple. Bits of bender before for we finish what we're doing. I wanted to mention an article that Ben Clemens wrote for Fan Graphs on Thursday because he sort of debunked something that I had kind of believed to be true of this offseason so far which is that the teams that are signing the free agents or the good free agents and driving a lot of this activity our the worst teams than usual like more non playoff teams or bad teams and so I thought this was a positive sign. Okay maybe the imbalance of the standings last last season is correcting itself because these also ran teams are now suddenly more active and I thought well maybe that explains why the Free Agent Market has bounced back to the extent at that it has. Maybe it's just that a bunch of teams were rebuilding. And then suddenly. They decided that they were rebuilt than they needed to sign. Some free agents to put the finishing touches on the rosters. Anyway Way Ben Thought this was the case too. He had that intuition but he decided to examine it and turned out not really to hold up to his scrutiny. At all all so he he looked at this and a few different ways he just a scanned. All the free agent signings from previous off seasons going back to two thousand and two and he looked to see if more of them were coming from non playoff teams or teams below a certain winning percentage or even teams. That were kind of like on the cusp of contention. Like seventy five to eighty five. When teams showed nothing showed no increase in the percentage of free agents going to those teams this year and then he also looked not it just all free agents but good free agents to see if maybe it's the high profile players are going to those teams and no that's That's really not true. Either so I think that I was just kind of extrapolating from you know Rendong going to the angels and Bumgarner going to the diamondbacks and Grendel going to the white sox and trying to convince myself that okay. Maybe this is something new and positive but it's not actually unusual at least so far from the typical offseason pattern because is Pretty much every offseason. There are free agents who who go to bed teams at non playoff teams. That's like kind of how free agency is often supposed to work that if you were not a great team than you try to make yourself better by spending and that happens every year so thanks depend for correcting that record. Yeah it doesn't feel like it though I still Salim it it it does but I mean I don't know like last year Padres signed many Machado right the before that they signed. Eric hosmer that was. We're just for the PADRES. Decide anyone notable but I think if we went back we could find examples of this every season so so Kudos to bend for for doing the Legwork and examining that good to know we would have said we. How many times said that between now and and like may at least thirteen is is tentatively planning to write about it at some point in so maybe if I had written about it I would have come to the same conclusion that that Ben had then I would have stopped saying it but before that point? Yeah I probably would have said it like five or six more times so next event but the that makes this offseason more of a mystery even so I still don't know exactly what it does that has caused the market to recover to this extent but anyway the other article. I wanted to shout out quickly. Ken Rosenthal wrote for the Athletic About Weight Miley so wait Miley just signed with the reds of two year fifty million dollar deal and weight by just kind of collapsed at the end of season September. He was terrible he was is Not left off of the first postseason roster but didn't really have a prominent role and then was left off subsequent postseason rosters and he pitched his way off of if those rosters because he was a really terrible so. Ken writes that it turns out that Wade Miley was pitch dipping that teams were picking up on pitch tipping so this is is an inversion of the usual Astros Story. This is not astros. Picking up on another team is pitchers pitch tipping. It is an Astros pitcher tipping his pitches and as always. I am left with as many questions as answers when I read about pitch. Tipping the interesting thing about this. Is that Miley. Says like he was looking for or whether he was tipping and the Astros were trying to see whether he was tipping. And you would think that the astros if they're supposedly so adept at picking up on pitch tipping and that's not just a a residue of some signs dealing that they're doing that they would be able to detect this like maybe they're using the cameras and machine learning or whatever to pick up a pitch tipping but evidently the Astros couldn't figure out what he was doing and then so he says I couldn't get an out. I couldn't get anybody to swing and miss at anything. He watched video. He consulted with Astros officials but he had no idea what was wrong until a former teammate sent him a text message after his final regular season. Start Check your glove. And that's it. That's the tips that That cleared all this up. Check your glove like he left a note in his glove saying I. Yeah I don't know maybe there is more to the text message and that's just how it started but check your glove. Did he not check club before. Isn't that like one of the first one said the he looked of course he'd check your glove so anyway I guess this somehow broke it wide open and it's Miley thought. He had checked everything except the glove so anyway. So here's the thing that. So this article quotes Brent Strom. The astor's sisters pitching coach and and stroke knowledge. Is that That maybe my Louis Pitch Tipping but he says it had an impact even a a huge impact but strong I'm also noted to other reasons for Manley's decline in September strum said Miley started pushing his changeup losing effectiveness with the pitch by focusing more on location than arm. MM Speed Miley. Also became too reliant on his cutter the pitch that helped revitalize his career right handed hitters started taking the cutter to the opposite field and employing that approach help help them. Stay on. Miami's changeup and negate that pitch strum wanted molly to throw more for seam fastballs up in the zone etc etc.. So strong isn't saying it wasn't pitched it being but he's also saying it's this other stuff may be. So here's the thing and I'll I'll send you this article. Because there's a a screen shot of miley supposedly tipping his pitches with with his glove and this is not the first time that I've read an article about Pitch Tipping. Where like we're supposed to see the the smoking gun image that reveals the pitch tipping and? I still can't really see it. So it's like this. Big Graphic tipping pitches side-by-side. It's shows Miley in the same position. One side is is before he throws the curve in the change. The other side is before he throws the fastball cutter and like at first glance it looks identical to me. Now there there are red. Lines added to the image between his glove and his shoulder to show the distance at which he's holding the glove and I guess the the headline is bigger on the cutter like he's holding the glove farther away. But it's like it's miniscule. It's like what is that in each two inches like and that's in one frame. That's like the frame that they chose to to represent right is so you're if you're sort of rocking at all like even just an and genuinely does look like like if you did this as a highlights and said they're like two pictures side by side find the difference. Yeah they're like. The wrinkle in the Jersey is the same check the check the groove in the forearm muscles the angle of him. His ahead looking at the runner is exactly the same. The the line that goes down his pants is at the exact same angle. It's all aw identical and then there's an inch of yes. This is an incredible and everybody like this is just to be clear. What we're talking about with Wade Miley to starts one third of an inning? Twelve runs from the clubs at each farther away. It's like I don't venture leaders are really good at picking up patterns and they have sharp is and all of that but you cannot tell me that this is why with a wet from above average starting pitcher to can't get out can't get us wig miss of come on this is an IT Kinda cheats to if you look at the image. The Red Headline on the fastball cutter side actually goes into his shoulder a little more. which makes it look longer? But it's not actually that the club is farther away. It's just that the line extends deeper into his shoulder. So it's overlapping. His shoulder not actually marking the distance from the edge of it. I can't believe this first of all like you'd think the Astros wouldn't wouldn't want this to be the narrative about Miley because this is essentially saying that you know what pitch is coming you are dominant. You will never swing and miss so so. That's probably not the story. The Astros won out there. These days granted maybe like Pitch Tipping Natural Pitch could be less distracting to a hitter. I guess than than in a garbage can but still like if you're selling the story here that He was so terrible because hitters new pitch was coming. That's you know that doesn't reflect well on the two thousand seventeen astros. Not that Miley was on that team. Anyway so young I have a hard time believing this was that huge contributor and the thing is here I kind of wonder whether this is just something that he's sort of cooked up with his agent. Pacelle the red. Yes exactly most much of this article article is about how pitch tipping became part of the selling point for my ways. Free Agency to explain why he was bad in September and so Miley says he gave his agent go ahead to be like. Yep just just tell them tell them I was pitched hipping you. Can you can tell them. I'm not embarrassed and and I kinda wonder like. Is it actually that this was really happening or did he want that to be the story of the season because this Then another team might think. Oh well this was not the real weight Miley. This was weighed with his glove. One inch fires her way. So miley is not one for excuses excuses. It says he allowed his agent. Tom O'CONNELL to inform clubs during free agency that he had been tipping but he had not been willing to publicly discuss it before this He reluctant to pin Elvis struggles on the problem. Okay but this image I think was one that O'CONNELL prepared for teens. This was part of the selling point. So O'CONNELL connel. So it says once he reached free agency he knew he had to come clean revealed to clubs he had been tipping explain why he performs poorly in September. He told his agent O'CONNELL to do what you have to do. O'CONNELL found photographs and video. That clearly demonstrated Miami's problems. This does not seem that he wanted them. But O'CONNELL says I was very candid with clubs. I just said look clearly. September was an aberration. I showed them the video. I showed them the photos. I made them at ease understanding. That was a significant issue that led to the tough months. We looked at all the data all the stuff. A lot of clubs look at everything was good consistent the entire season we were able to give that certain level of comfort to the clubs. We were dealing with that. The Wade Miley they saw from April to August was going to be the que. They get the next couple of years so this was maybe if anything a brilliant marketing strategy strategy by Leeann or connell to say up note. That wasn't the real weight Miley. This was a pitch tipping all the way. Wow Yes so many everyone everyone I would. I would listen to a well-done podcast on pitch tipping that. Yeah just nothing but pitch tipping every every story Pitch Tipping Story. Yep It'd be like The the first episode of the first season of cereal to as you come away with no answers yet all right. Let's resume our exercise from the previous two episodes. We've been in counting down all thirty teams one story. We missed about each team season in twenty and nineteen. We've done the first twenty teams in our last two episodes and today they were GonNa do the last ten so we left off last time with Cleveland. And that means that it's time to talk about the mariners so they didn't talk about the mariners a ton this year at least not after their surprisingly start I think maybe the most salient thing about the mariners. This year was how many mariners there were. So that was the suggestion that some people had the mariners used sixty seven players the season and that blue by by the major league record which was sixty four before the season that was set by the two thousand fourteen rangers who they had a ton of injuries that year they he used a lot of players. The Mariners didn't have a historic injury here but they still use a ton of players and in baseball at such generally not a good thanks to use a ton of players. It's not the team that that uses the most players wins. Generally the team that uses the most players Flus a lot as the mariners did so This is kind of happened before. Like didn't the mariners set a record for most pitchers used in two thousand eighteen. Maybe it was. I think they used like forty pitchers or something. So this time they used a lot of players on both sides of the ball. And you'd figure it's it's easier to do that these days because bullpens are bigger teams sorta to shuffle bullpen guys on and off the roster. At least they have maybe that will change a little with some of the the rule changes for Minor League options coming in twenty twenty but mariner's really exemplified that trend which is probably not a great one for spectators because mariners fans didn't have a lot of reasons to watch the team this year But when they did watch the team they probably had to keep reminding themselves who off these people were. You don't think it was fun. I I okay. I feel like we've been having having a slightly different version of this conversation every so often for the last few months. I agree that you want your starting lineup. And you want your top. The couple pitchers in your closer to be people recognize. You need to have a base of players you recognize the lineup. You don't want every game to be the seventh inning of the spring training of Spring Training Games. But if you're talking about the very bottom of the roster that twenty fifth twenty four twenty third do you think that there's not some benefit to having novelty and having After a certain amount of time you kind of know that Mac Williamson is not that exciting. You've learned map Williamson and now if fits Donnie Walton instead. Then isn't that kind of like. Oh well maybe donny. Walton's ago I remember growing up in thinking that like like any number of very very short lived. Major Leaguers. Were exciting because sometime in there. I like eight Games on on my team. They had a big hit. And I remember Steve Scar Sony very well for basically like one big hit and one good weekend and so Steve Scar Sony career career as a giant. I guess he ended up hanging on four years as a giant. Wow I don't know Steve never a good idea to bring Steve Scott Sony end of the conversation nation. You're not even sure what point you're you're GONNA end up landing on but I don't know I could see a case for novelty being to making it a little more interesting. I mean. Certainly if you're this is not the perspective that the average fan has but if you're the beat writer and the twenty fifth spot is constantly someone new. That's great because you always have your. You're you're be story for that day like you can go interview that player and asked like what would you buy with your signing bonus and all those sorts of questions. Yeah so that's always good and I I don't know it seems like maybe that would somewhat be the experience that fans would have to. They also want to know what what the players spent their signing bonus on. And then they're gonNA I don I. It's tricky with the mariners. Though because I don't know if you had enough of a core of players that you were interested in even seeing the three four I always have in mind. I want to do an article on the maybe the least exciting do up batters like you know how they showed the do batters matters at the end of one happening so so I want to do an article on the least exciting do ups in over the course of season. And I feel like we're the mariners. It could could be like two thirds of their innings. Had An exciting. Do Up Right. I mean I guess you could say that if your team is going to be bad anyway you might as well meet some New People. That's what I'm that's exactly what I'm saying. It's not a great stat to lead the League in but it may be better than being third. That's probably true. I find it kind of alienating. As a follower of the sport I think the fact that if I look at box scores now they're so many names I don't know which Maybe my attention slightly divided. I guess because covering other things at the ringer. But it's not just that it's that there are many more names in baseball well in a major league season in a given year and there's kind of a comforting familiarity when you look at box scores you get news and you know every name. It's like okay. I'm following this this. TV show. And I know the whole cast and I can maybe even picture them or tell you fact about them and now I just whenever I look at a box score their names. I don't know to the point that I don't even think like. Oh I better go look that guy up so I know something about him. It's it's past that point I've given up off on knowing anything so it used to be even at BP when I was at BP and and trying to pay as close attention to every roster as I possibly could there it would always be like the back of the bullpen in a out west team. That was bad that the games were on late night. I didn't watch all that much of them. There would always be some the players I didn't know but now it's every team their players I don't know and you just kind of have to accept that which may be not so great as if our of the sport if you're a follower however specific team yes at least you're you're getting fresh faces and new stories and anecdotes about players that you haven't heard on a dozen other broadcasts that you're very sympathetic to this. So I I don't I I don't want to argue against it if if you're right and I'm not sure that you're not right a couple of counter points though one is that you're you're comparing your your experience to win. You were editing. BP and you are never in better shape than when you're heading bp no the Po you having to edit prospect stuff every day you're having to edit every transaction analysis. You're editing so much that you get to know you really know every player in a way that you don't when you're just writing about it let alone. I just a fan of it and it like there are. I don't know how many names the average baseball fan can hold old in their head at once. My guess is it's not more than say four hundred or so and the top four hundred players in the world are still all. They're they're surrounded rounded by instead of five hundred other names now six hundred other names but I don't know how many of those other five hundred you're really learning anyway bigger. It seems that a bigger challenge is that in the thirty team era than there's a lot more names obviously so in the sense that there's more teams you're not seeing the same teams as much and also there are now a lot more than four hundred players in the league. In the olden days there were actually only four hundred players in the League there were sixteen teams. And so I like I say I'm I'm sympathetic to the to the human need that you're describing. I'm not and I'm just not convinced that the the problem is quite so. I don't know recent as we're treating it nor that it's in any way desirable to solve it. Given the League that we have however and I we'll also make this last counter argument which is the if I'm doing the query correctly. I believe that the giants in two thousand nineteen set the national record for players appearing with Sixty four at least that they're at least that's close to an accurate statement and in the last episode. Or maybe the one before when we talked about the giants season reason you rattled off a bunch of the giants who were new to the team this year who were part of our bodies roster. Churn as he tried to find good players. And if you were to ask giants fan about what made this season good and memorable. I think that giants Fan would say that Donovan Solano an Alex Dickerson and Stephen Vote. And Mike is Trump's key. Were big parts of that. The players that you named when you named the at the surprising successes and those are all all the result of a four hundred eighty playing with not just forty man roster but like a sixty four man roster across the season and bringing new players and and giving new players a chance to be learned and also to thrive so. I don't know what exactly my point is here. Mariner season was exactly as you described it and I guess along those lines. One of the best stories of the Mariner season was one of the last players to arrive. Kyle Lewis who is not in that same class as the the free talent pickups that you just named but he was Jerry Dipoto first draft pick as the mariners. GM He was the eleventh overall overall pick in the two thousand sixteen draft and he had a serious knee injury. I believe and then he had a couple years where he underperformed and then he came back in sort of reestablished himself as a viable player this year and then he showed up on September tenth and he went on a great run which I think Megan. I mentioned at that point. Because has he had one of those debuts where he was hitting a home run every other day and it was very exciting and he finished with eighteen games. Seventy five plate appearances six homers and at one thirty two. ps so that was a nice bright spot granted. He walked three times and struck out twenty nine times and there were worrisome. Things about that too but it was nice just that he got to the big leagues and contributed at all and was sort of a a breath of fresh air in the clubhouse and exciting energy and all of that at an that was the product of player who showed up at the last minute so yes sometimes depending on the player a new edition can certainly be exciting. I think there is sort of a an `unanimity that sets in when it's just a rotating cast all year long to other things about the mariners. This year one is that we didn't talk about. I don't think one is that Marco Gonzalez is the pitcher with war disagreements this year. If you look at some sites Marco Gonzalez is was average. And if you look at some he was he was very very good And so he's an interesting pitcher going forward very low strikeout rate great and yet by some measures very effective by others. Not the other is that Tom. Murphy wasn't quite Mitch Garber but he was a lot like Mitch garber in terms of Catcher who came out of nowhere who was not seen as an offensive force and who had a Incredible season in somewhat part time. Play so Tom Murphy. Had Ten career home runs at that point At the beginning of of the season he He was a a career to nineteen to seventy one. Four thirty nine hitter in coors field as Colorado rockies so playing games in chorus field joined join the mariners hit eighteen homers seventy five games as a catcher which is not not Mitch garber pace but is Is Very Good parade that over a full season. And that's like forty homer and in August. He hit three thirty three and slugged. Eight O four. So Tom Murphy was a story that we might have taught. If Tom Murphy had been and Atlanta brave we would have talked about. Yeah Alright Orioles not a ton of great stories to talk about the orioles this year but hunts are Alberto Bertaud. We never really talked about him. And he's kind of the reverse of the trump ski because we talked about how the giants just sorta plucked. Mikey Isky off the orioles. Without giving much that was a march trade and the same thing happened the other way. The Orioles took concer Alberto off of of waivers from the giants in March and then he had himself a good season two and a strange one so he was in contention for the AL betting race until pretty late in the year. And he was kind of Tim Anderson. Light he he had the same two point. Nine percent walk rate which is not great but he managed is to bet three. Oh five playing a full season qualifying for the batting title. That's not easy to do. And he was in the first percentile in exit. Is it philosophy. The first percentile in hard hit percentage the eighteen th percentile in expected weighted on base average twentieth percentile and expected effected slugging but eighty eighth percentile in expected batting average. I don't know what to make of that exactly. Does that mean that he was just consistently putting balls in the stat. CAST donut hole. Where you're you're hitting it hard enough to get it over the infield but not hard enough to be caught by outfielders essentially and he kind of found that semi sweet spot and kept putting Paul's they're like it? Seems like if you never hit the ball hard at all. It should still be hard to to have an expected batting average. That's that high which I guess like I mean what was his his bad. That must've been high wasn't even that high. It was a three eighteen eighteen three Eighteenth Abbott. So that's what does yeah. He brings season struck out fifty times. Yeah right he puts on play a lot so he put the ball in play. And I guess you could do it by hitting if you almost never pop up and you almost never chop out. If all of your launch angles are between like two percent and seventeen eighteen percent. You can probably do it if you don't hit the ball hard. It's just if you could if you could do that. You're like superhuman. That's that's the hard thing about baseball. It's it's harder to do that than to be strong. Yeah I guess so. So he yeah he had a six percent infield fly ball rate. So that's low and yet just weird I like a eight point. Three Percent Infield hit percentage. That's not extraordinarily high. I don't think so. That's just a weird season so he was coming off it three straight sub replacement level seasons in little playing time with the Rangers. And then he I know he was twenty six for for most of the season I guess and that was that was that so strange season probably tough to repeat. Oh actually so wow all right. So his transaction history is is actually pretty interesting so in November November twenty eighteen. He was selected by the Yankees off waivers from the Rangers. Then in January twenty nine thousand nine he was selected off waivers by the Orioles from the Yankees. Then the giants took him off waivers from the Orioles in February and then the orioles took him back off waivers from the giants in March so he went through like a little mini Oliver. Drake Sokha they're just in the few months before spring training or I guess he must have already reported to giant spring training probably by the time the Orioles Tuck him but he didn't know where he was going to be playing there when we talk about the Oliver Drake Sagas of the sport. There's I think there's always an assumption that there's a lot of effort for not much reward their that part of what makes it feel a little bit absurd and funny and also a little bit cruel. Is that these are players that we expect even even if they do finally latch on to just be holding on by their fingertips even in that situation. And maybe be maybe like two runs better than replacement level and and yet we have here two stories Alberto and drake of players who were both very good for their teams at the end of these SAGAS and making taking the teams that let them go look Kinda dumb more than the whole process so yeah Albert. Though you know like basically sleep all star level player this year pretty close well. He was like a to win player but he was three three. Okay and And then you you know drake if Drake was in. If Drake were a closer he would add thirty nine saves and as it was he was pitching in leverage in the postseason it was very pitcher so those are two very valuable players. Those are medium players on on a championship team. Yeah now drake got to spend the whole season with the race. Good for him hopefully entrepreneur to we'll find some stability too. I did this year. Can we appreciate that a player that you described as is Tim Anderson. Light Twelve home runs this year. That's true yes. The player who had the first percentile. Exit boss Yeah Eh. Wealth home runs this year. That's true I wonder if he like. He hit his peak philosophies I wonder if his peak velocities were good at he. Just it's like hit a lot of balls poorly but when he did get a hold of one hit pretty hard or maybe it's just the ball and you can do that this year. I have an update on the Marco. Gonzales Paul is okay conversation. So Gonzales at fan drafts. Three point seven more at reference. Three point two. Four perspectives zero point zero war. And what's it's kind of interesting about that and maybe I'll write about mark. All is now is that I had a full thing going for a few years. Why would look at the player who's wars most diverged across the three sites and and then write about? Why and what made them interesting? And what it tells us about you know the modern age and And usually what you find it because references run in space and the other two are more peripherals based with different levels of sophistication. Usually you just get a very simple thing where a player has a high war on reference and a low war on the other two or a high low war on reference in high. Were on the other the other two kind of moving in a tandem and so it's hard to write that story the next year about a different pitcher basically the same story but with Gonzales the diversion is between perspectives and fingertips. It's between in all of them to some degree but the extremes are graphs and perspective. I'm not sure how many pitchers there are where there is say more than a war a war and a half separating operating them in the extremes are those two reference in the middle. It's very rare that references in the middle. All right rangers are up next. We'd not get a lot of rangers suggestions and the ones we did were mostly from people who want us to talk about Danny Santana who I think we have mentioned at some point this season. But I don't remember specifics. So he was one of the most surprising homerun totals when we were naming those for a while. Okay well it was is a surprising season on the whole because Danny Santana was quite good for the ranger said. He started the season better than he finished it. I think because I I remember member his numbers looking considerably better than than they do at the end of the year but still pretty good. He hit two eighty three twenty four or five thirty four and yes twenty eight home home runs and that was after just a few really pretty terrible seasons like he had a good rookie year with the twins in two thousand fourteen when he got votes for rookie of the year that year and then after that it was just a two thousand fifteen with the twins forty six opium plus twenty any sixty and with the twins sixty four pius plus twenty seventeen with the twins and the braves fifty five plus twenty eighteen with with the braves fifty four. Opiates plus and some of these are small. Sample others are not that small. So I'm GonNa Guess that if you said a playing playing time minimum of Oh I don't know six hundred plate appearances or something from Twenty fifteen to twenty eight eighteen. Danny Santana must have been one of the worst hitters in baseball and certainly one of the worst non catcher hitters in baseball and then he came back and he put together a really the strong season for the Rangers in it probably went under the radar a little bit just because Rangers had a few of those seasons like they had that Mike minor season they had the lengths Lynn season reason. They had the hunter pence season. And those are probably got more attention than Denise Antenna did but given his previous Four Seasons or so for him to do what he did. After signing as a free agent in did he pick a minor league. Invite as did hunter pence and so to do what he did after. That was a really good story as you mentioned the other day the the Rangers did not have a good offense in two thousand nineteen but Danny Santana was a good part of it. Yup Thirteen homers in three hundred and sixty games before this season and twenty eight in one hundred and thirty this year so in basically a third of his prior combined playing in time he hit double the home runs and Santana was a fast player he was a a slap hitting fast player before that and I wasn't paying paying that close of attention to Danny Santana or his his fantasy value. But if you'd asked me I would have guessed at the end of this year. That he had probably walked up that that he was older. He you know probably was slightly reimagined player and that's where the power came from in that he was no longer fast. He also played primarily merrily first base. This year he played everywhere but he played more first base than anything else after being a a Centerfield shortstop with twins and so I would have imagined and well Danny Santana has now strong and slow. But he also stole twenty-one bags and had six triples he was one of the faster players in the game again to Yeah my suspicion didn't was right so I just looked twenty fifteen to twenty eighteen six hundred plate appearances Danny. Santana was the third worst hitter in baseball slightly. Worse Than Jeff Mathis over that period of time so Omar and Fontaine had a forty-seven WC plus Alexi Ameri Sta. Had a forty eight and indecent. Tanna had a forty nine so that was not a terribly small sample and he was a a supplement level player and one of the worst hitters in baseball and then he came back to a slugger. So I'm reading a STORY ABOUT HIM AT DOT com from June and people are talking about. Just what kind of amazing person he is and he says he's crediting confidence which is always one of those explanations. Is that like you want something more concrete than that but it is understandable. That confidence would help a player. Better Corsi wonder then. We'll why are you confident. But it says I guess in terms of like a mechanical change he says Santana credits adjusting the movement of his hands on his swing for some of his success. So I don't know exactly what that means but he did some kind of mechanical tweak could also just Felt good about himself and the Rangers liked him so they trusted him and that made him believe in himself. There we go to any Santana. I will note things about his utility. I don't another easiest way to query positional flexibility but Danny Santana started not just appeared in but started at least six games at every position On the diamond except for Catcher is catcher on the diamond. Or is it just off the time I was ice I phrased it as on the diamond because I was trying to figure out a way to include clued the other seven positions ahead of okay. Well anyway he started at least six games at the other seven positions which the I would not be surprised if that's unprecedented. I mean it me. It's like they're obviously players. Who could do that but you usually? If you have a AH certain usually end up in a position a little bit more than that. Even if you're a utility you get sort of your normal one. He played everywhere. So there's that also baseball reference lists lists the positions you play as almost like a line score and so the end of the season. It says position in so for Dana intense as three eight four seven nine six five because he played the most first base three. The second most Centerfield that's eight third-most second base and that feels like a very odd combination of a very odd sequence of those numbers and it would not surprise me. Also if Danny Santana is the first ever three eight four seven nine six five in history. Okay you play the most first base and then the second most centerfield. That's weird. Yeah true and then the third most second base base. That seems weird to this John this is a random number generator I guess. So yeah the while. The Rangers had Isaiah is. Aa Kinder FALESA. So he's the even stranger positional Combination but yeah. That's all right. Next up is is the raise and we got a few rays suggestions and most of them were talk about Japan and Chief Entre A. I think it's a case of it's like you had to be there. I think to fully appreciate what Jean Toy means to raise fans. 'cause it's like it's The spectator experience of g Mantua. I think more or so than the stats. Because if you look at the stats did think while he's just you know a moderately above average hitter this year for a first baseman. Not Not of a you know. Incredible Defensive Premium Position Guy. He's kind of an average player. Statistically speaking but people love Shimon Choy and I I think some people were introduced to him in the postseason started watching him regularly then and appreciated what he brings to a game because Ben Clemens for instance congrats on October. Ninth wrote a post called the joy of Gene Choy and he was reading a bit about the unusual postseason batting line. that a toy had which was good but weird but what Ben said here is quote. What's great to me about Choi as his wonderful combination of giddiness and sheepish? -Ness combined with the instinctual. Hey I could do that feeling I get for an instant every time he does something good. That feeling is certainly misplaced. Choi might not look like a prototypical elite athlete but looks can be deceiving and then he continues lower in the post. You don't have to care about the aesthetics to think troy troy is good. The trump would suggest that raise aren't in the business of carrying about aesthetics and they traded for troy and made him an everyday starter ninety-six team he has good counting stats good context exneutral stats. Good Stack cast debts. He's just good but if you do care about how baseball looks. That's an extra mark in choice. Favor us an absolute delight to watch regardless of what he's doing on the field. Would it be good for baseball. If every player was gene. Choi certainly not but it works in small doses and there's no better proof of that than Choy and he he he mentioned. Also you can't watch him. Celebrate a win shirt untucked and partially unbuttoned in stark contrast to his teammates. And not get a sense of. Hey that's what I'd look like Cather. Yeah interesting good. I'll enjoy him more next. I don't I I I hate to compare raise players only two other rays players but something about him has always reminded me slightly of Dan Johnson. In the the way that Here it's not the hair but it's it's a combination of Well first of all raise raise first baseman That's that's part of it. It's the nomadic -ness of the career. It's the Productivity productively the general productivity. But like. You're never going to be a star at your position with those numbers. But you're also like always going to be someone that like if you're in the do up next inning that feels like an okay inning and then the general sort of yeah like you you just. I notice that there in the screen that they've they feel like somebody who is on the team that you like now and it. I can't get get more specific than that. I I don't even I didn't even have this thought going really. But that's kind of a little bit. What he reminds me of and you know Dan Johnson? Famous famous is clutch. Ray Right yeah and Choi when he came over the race traded Brad Miller for him in June twenty eighteen and it always helps helps when a player comes over. Joins your team. And you're not expecting a ton from him and then he goes on a great hot streak to sort of introduce himself to the team. So Oh in two thousand eighteen before the trade with the brewers see you know he had one of four. Ps Plus ID twelve games or something then with raise after the trade in forty nine games he had a one one forty one a PS plus really announced himself. And then this year. He didn't hit quite that well but he still hit fairly well and was kind kind of a constant all season and Brad Miller by the way had a quite a good year. Too He He played seventy nine games. Only got one hundred seventy plate appearances so he was sort of a a part timer but when he did play and this was for Cleveland and then the Phillies he had a one twenty five plus so both sides of that trade have sort sort of made good. So here's why I think that I link I think now this is why link Choy and and Johnson well. Maybe it's not why I had a theory but maybe it's not right. In two thousand and ten he was array he was good and he had been just picked up off the scrap heap with little investment. And then for most of the decade the rays these were very kinda like they always had these first baseman who you were underwhelmed by. Yeah and it always felt like an easy position to upgrade upgrade but they invested so little in it because it was such an easy position to upgrade end always ended up pretty bad that weren't they weren't actually getting A lot of good production out of those players and so so they had Casey Kochman. I guess I don't remember. Maybe he was good with the raise. But I don't remember it. And they had James Lonely see for a while and they had. I don't know I don't know if this theory is holding up at all but it feels like there was a period in the middle of the decade where we thought of the raise always needing needing first baseman but not really having one end and then Choi is ends. That Choi is good now. This theory is is is actually ruined because they also had Logan Morrison in two thousand seventeen. Who really ended that streak when they went and got Logan Morrison and he hit thirty eight home runs and then the next year they had? Cj Crone who uh hit thirty home runs and so I don't know Choi is not as left so or the race. Got Rid of them so and trying to I'm trying to that was uh-huh Organiz theory wasn't it like D. H. is to maybe it was even more D. H.. Is I think it might be. It might have even been more the ages. Maybe yeah maybe maybe I can retry this theory in seven minutes with all right okay. Red Sox also pretty light unread sock suggestions. But one consistent assistant one was just recognizing the season that Eduardo Rodriguez had and it was very fine season because he actually made every start this here. He got to the two hundred inning mark which had never really approached before he wasn't necessarily better on inning burning basis than he had been say the previous. He has two years he had always been kind of good. But you kept waiting for him to have a full healthy season and he was on the I l.. Each of those years I think each of the previous three years yes. He had spent time on the interest with lower body injuries. I think usually knee but also hamstring and maybe ankle in there so kept hurting himself and Dan said never made more than twenty four starts in a season before this one but this one he was totally healthy and he made all thirty four starts and you actually went nineteen and six which like I pay no attention to win loss record anymore so I didn't even know that until just the second but for him to go. Nineteen in in six on a eighty four win team. That's pretty impressive. At wetterich again was sort of the staff. Ace I guess because price was Disappointing is pointing and Chris. Sale was her semi disappointing. Although in some ways he was good when he was healthy but add water edges was like one of the bright spots if not the bright spot on that staff and the feels like we've been waiting awhile for that so that was his age twenty six season and he made good done on what everyone hoped for from him. Yeah finished sixth. and Cy Young voting and my recollection is that he had pretty lousy numbers through the first like month or two good peripherals lousy numbers. And now I'm looking at his game logging. Yeah it looks like that's basically true so I'll just go from his first start through. Who May twenty-first? He had a five point four three era but he had ten strikeouts per nine and a little bit more than three strikeouts per walk and then he Then he got a gun and so he had now even then he had I think-i at crazy run sport. I think he was crazy. Run Support Guy all year but from that point we don must've been basically have the same peripherals but had a three point two era and so that might be part of why we didn't talk about him his his numbers did sort of sneak up through Through the summer and I remember when he finished sixth in cy young voting around that time I was talking about him with with Rj. And and are Jay was more in tune with how good add water Rodriguez had been than I was. I was Kinda demeaning him a little bit because I had in my head a pitcher who was a slightly disappointing on a team. That was very disappointing and just had runs Gorton. Rj pointed out that no. In fact Sam he was good pitcher. Yeah and I guess in that. Same kind of category Christian Vasquez had a a really nice too and he's a player. I've been rooting for for wild. Just because he was a framing specialist and he had some injuries and then he also so just didn't hit at all sometimes and this year he was like a league average hitter. Not just for a catcher just for anyone and he played one hundred thirty eight games and the great defense and that's a really strong season so I was happy to to see him really blossom Yeah all right royals so got got a few things for the royals. We did talk about startling making the majors. A few people suggested that talked about that when he came up. Because that crossed off another box on the two thousand eleven draft Bingo card so got that out of the way but that was a cool story. Another one people suggested was in Kennedy. Turning into uh-huh relief ace which was also find. It's always nice when you get another data point to see what happens when a pitcher who has almost exclusively asleep in a starter goes to the bullpen and transforms himself in Kennedy's case it was quite a stark transformation. So he I think he Gains what a mile and a half two miles per hour on his average fastball. Something like that and his numbers just of improved by a ton so he had a sub three fifth. Just barely he struck out like ten point. Four guys nine whereas he had struck out seven point nine guys is as a starter. The previous year his walk rate went down his ground ball rate went way up. He didn't allow many homers. And you know He. He had a three forty three babb. So if anything his his era which was a solid three point four one did not reflect. How could he was? He was Really good and doesn't happen that way for everyone. That's this is better than the typical transition from the rotation to open but always fascinated to see what will oh happened whether the pitcher will actually look like a new pitcher and why that is I don't know particularly in Kennedy's case White was that he had such a successful transition and I don't know if it's that he got a bigger than average velocity boost doesn't really seem like it or whether it's more of a a mentality thing just liked being in the bullpen. Or maybe it was a pitch fuselage thing. I don't know how his pitch selection changed. Maybe he was able to use a better pitch much more often but always like that sort of science experiment. And in Kennedy's these case it worked out very well. SORTA surprising he wasn't traded. Yes and that. We didn't hear more rumors about him. So I'm just looking so Kennedy. The is signed for one. More year right now. He signed for one more year right now is average annual salaries fourteen million dollars which is a little high for a closer user of Kennedy's level but not high for a closer and when you compare Saturday what he was owed in what he was doing. Compared to what saint-marc Melanson was owed and what he was doing it looks fairly comparable in Milan was was successfully traded last fall but then so there was no rumor on. MLB trade rumors four four Kennedy in the four days leading up to the trade deadline. So not only was he not traded. But there wasn't even talk about him being traded and there has been one rumer credited to or or around Ian Kennedy in all the time since and it was just a couple of days ago and it was kind of in a roundup of what the royals might do this off season and this. I'm going to read this. This is kind of paraphrasing something from the Kansas City Star. The royals continued to present the idea that they are happy. With their the core and impression bolstered by the Moon Sun and Stars type packages. The royals are demanding players. Like witm airfield Danny Duffy and Kennedy. And you could have convinced me that. The reason that Ian Kennedy wasn't traded was that he was seen as having no value with his contract. And you could convince me that. He wasn't traded because the royals are demanding to top thirty prospects for. I'm not sure which one it is. Yeah well you mentioned Danny Duffy and I wanted to mention Danny Duffy too because probably not a lot of people were following the royals in September in late September but there is a great story about Denny Duffy in the Kansas City Star in September twenty eighth and Duffy just opened up about his history with anxiety and depression and panic disorder and he told all of these stories about how hard it was for him to kind of live within a major league clubhouse and was set set very franken and vulnerable about it. which you don't often hear from professional athletes? Obviously you know Zach Cranky as royals precedent for some of this but the stories that Duffy tells them in this article like he was just bullied throughout his career. Really I bet not even just as professional career but like in high school even earlier than that and when he got to his first royal spring training. So He's in his early twenty s and he. He was talking about how exciting he was to be their big league camp for the first time and there was this group of five pitchers. He doesn't specify who they were. But they they just picked on him mercilessly. Like you know. It sounds like worse and more mean-spirited than even the typical traditional rookie hazing which is is bad enough but duffy given his history. You know probably reacted more strongly. Even to that and it's just it sounds cruel. Cool what they did to him and he was so miserable that he quit baseball for a while he just went away. He told the royals was done as cranky did of course and and he didn't say why at least publicly and he didn't even tell the royals at that time he kinda kept private and said it was something to do with his his family. Maybe but It was because of this because he was having panic attacks just because we're so miserable to be in that environment. Hey you know. He says within three days of his showing up at at Spring training he felt mentally broken. Teammates needled has every move his every word each night during hours hours long phone conversations with his mother Duffy told her he wasn't cut out for this. He wanted to come home. He started showing up at the park really early hoping that he could just avoid these pitchers who were picking on them but that didn't work and so eventually he had to leave and you know he went into therapy and he's gotten treatment for this and now he copes with it to some extent by taking very long walks. I know you take long walks but these are I think even longer walks than than you take so oh he says the I. I think spring training when he went back to the royals after this ordeal he just left at like four o'clock. You Left Hotel and started walking. And he walked for fourteen hours and he didn't go back until like six thirty the next morning having walked marathon essentially and he he he still takes very long walks. Sort of a stress reliever so anyway. It's a really good article and Applaud him for being so open about it because he says the like having this out there and feeling vulnerable because people know this about him might be an even greater source of anxiety for him but he said that he kind of wanted to put it out there for other players who might be experiencing the same thing. I don't know that other players have because so so few professional athletes. We'll talk about it so really nice story. Yeah Yeah he talked about the walking In two thousand eighteen and it was really dispiriting because just that caused ause a bunch of of a lot of kind of public reaction about him being awed and rather than him having a perfectly healthy hobby abby and It just it's tough. It's tough to to be in public. I mean you just cannot count on the generosity of the public and So so yeah keep keep keep that in mind. Layers are eight tigers. We had to had to dig here to get a good tiger story but but this is something that I wasn't really aware of I. I knew that Spencer Turnbull had had a a pretty good season at least by tigers standards. Tigers repairable obviously the seer got themselves through the first pick. I guess next year's draft because of it but they were more terrible on the offensive inside. The pitching staff was not quite so terrible but because the offense was so horrendous. Worst offense in baseball pitchers didn't get a lot of run support and Spencer Turnbull had a three and seventeen win loss record. He led the major leagues in losses. And yet he was a pretty good pitcher. He had a sub sub four-fifths. He had one. Oh four era. Plus this was in thirty starts US good he struck out almost better printing pretty good season for Spencer Turnbull. So but this is such a terrible win loss record which again just reminds us all way. We don't really pay attention to record anymore. But I was kind of curious about about where Spencer Turnbull season ranks among seasons with a winning percentage. This bad and the answer is at the top. It is the best season ever for someone who had a winning percentage this terrible and spent time in the starting rotation 'cause obviously you're the bullpen. You can have a with what four season or whatever and it. It doesn't mean anything but Spencer. Turnbull had a two point nine fan graphs were this year which is quite good so the best last season by any other pitcher who had any number of starts was just slightly worse at two point eight that was another tigers pitcher her art in nineteen forty eight but art. He pitched in Forty Three Games and started twentieth them so he was in the bullpen. A lot at the time so to find another pitcher who had a winning percentage of lowest mentor turn bolts and spent the entire season in the starting rotation. You've gotta you've gotTa look well. Well down the list but not very far from Spencer. Turn poll because it was Jordan Zimmermann of the twenty nineteen tigers who went one and thirteen and and had himself a one point three war season and that was in twenty three games in twenty three starts so to find the non two two thousand Nineteen Tigers pitcher who spent the whole season in the rotation or started exclusively in had a winning percentage. This terrible it is Ross. Salaam DORF for the two thousand ten pirates who went one and eleven that year with a one point one fan graphs war season so this was is a historically great season with a historically terrible record for Spencer Turnbull. Yeah and it wasn't just the I don't think it was just the run support. Either part of it was the defense. So if you just look at their top for starters you Zimmerman who was the opening day starter and then you have Daniel Norris Spencer turnball and Matthew Boyd who were all quite good all of them had your A.. Pluses that were over one hundred but also they had add a Phipps nor is fifth or about the same but the other two at Phipps that were better than they are as Zimmerman had a terrible era but a an elite average fifth and so if you group them all together. I am just eyeballing this. I don't know if this is right but I think it's pretty close. I think that you would have a FIT MINUS. That's probably like the low nineties or so for those four collectively which is better than average which is pretty good. So there's that there's the defense behind them but then even if you just look at their their runs allowed which are worse because they allowed more runs in their fifth suggested in Zimmerman in particular disaster those four had a combined. Era of five five. which doesn't seem very good? But in this era in the American League It's pretty close to League average. I would guess that it's your. We are a plus of flight ninety eight or so so let's just assume it's ninety eight or so basically league average and those four stars who were basically league average went sixteen and fifty fifty five yeah. It's not good. The Tigers did also have another player. who was with them? I guess yeah pretty much. All Year he he threw seventy nine innings and forty six games out of the bullpen. Nick Ramirez who is Ah left-handed pitcher. And he was a former summer hitter former tigers prospects as a first baseman. I believer initially. I guess he was brewers prospects really he was drafted by the brewers in the fourth round of the two thousand eleven draft and he just didn't hit very well and then he converted to pitching. I guess in twenty seventeen eighteen was when he started pitching and he made it to the big leagues with Tigers in two thousand nineteen and he was pretty good and spent all season them so nice. Positional conversion story is always is always good too. I did not realize the Trevor Rosenthal was a tiger after the nationals. Let him go. The Tigers picked him up and of of course the tigers when they picked him up. Were probably forty. Five Games under five hundred already and Rosenthal is a free agent. This year he would have been no matter what because this was his sixth year of Major League service time and so at the very best the Tigers were picking him up for two and a half months but it was sixteen days before the trade deadline and and I wonder do you think they picked him up because they thought at what the heck we need arms maybe hill you know pitch seventeen innings for us and then the season will be over and we can go on our boat or do you think that they picked him up with sixteen days until the trade deadline. Thinking that there's a genuine chance that if they turned him around that his philosophy name name recognition and history would actually make him tradeable with sixteen good days and keep in mind the nationals had released him with an E. R. Twenty two two point seven four and fifteen walks in six innings against five strikeouts. So he had gone through. You know one of the worst stretches that pitcher could possibly awesomely fear. But do you think that Trevor Rosenthal Sixteen days of Trevor Rosenthal would make him Would make them a tradable. I think potentially yeah. It didn't seem like the Tigers made a lot of moves that were like. Let's pick up the sky because might make us a tiny bit better like what's pick up this veteran players they. They didn't do that that really they pretty much tanked and they got the number one pick so I would think just based on that based on the fact that they didn't try to bring in recognizable players. I just to be a little bit more respectable. Maybe they did think that. That was a speculative thing might as well give it a shot I guess what else were were they doing at the time All right twins. So you mentioned Mitch Garber already in this episode. In many of the suggestions we got to talk about. Mitch Garber. We did ED at some point this year. We probably didn't talk enough about Mitch garber because he really had an incredible season. But I know that we mentioned it because he hit like Mike Piazza he just remade himself and he went to Alex Bregman personal hitting coach in. He just changed his swaying and he also had a framing coach catching coach coach with the twins who helped him become a good framer and he was just unbelievable. It was one of the best stories of the twin season. One of the best player turnaround. Just how could he got. And how much better and how quickly that's A. It's it's a cool story but we did touch on that at least so I think most of these suggestions is that we got to talk about Louis. Arise and I think we gave short shrift to Louis Arise probably because we have such long shrift rift to the other non strikeout Venezuelan multi position player on the twins. Roster William tested just. Didn't leave a a lot of room in our hearts for for another player like that. I suppose but Louis Arise is frankly a better version of Wayne's sto his maybe not quite so extreme when it comes to the strikeouts in the walk certainly he does walk but he is similar in the sense that he played a ton of positions and he is really get it at getting the bat on the ball he was a fun player with a very sort of mature offensive approach. People are very impressed by Louis. Rise he Hurt himself. He sprained his ankle just in late. September like was it the last game of the season or just about and I know that was kind of blow to the twins he did make the playoff roster and sorta taped up his ankle and tried to play on it but he he didn't look like he should be playing really didn't look like he was at full strength. If you look at the fan graphs depths the charts projections for twenty twenty and you sort by the lowest strikeout rate. The twins have two of the three the top three or bottom three depending on how you sort so Williams us the do projected for a six point. Five percent strikeout rate Lewis Arise for an eight point five percents strikeout rate and Nick Magical Meghan. Could I spoke about recently. He is projected for the lowest strikeout rate in baseball with the twins. Five point seven percent so everyone fall in love with Nick Magical but point has twins have to these guys except that arise is really good in. He had a a one twenty three opium plus in ninety two games. He was six then. Rookie of the year voting. Everyone loved him. Everyone was impressed by him and he is a Only twenty two years old so he is actually probably a promising player player who will be the twins utility player of the present and future. Wow yeah that it was. This was passed along with a link to the appearance that I that I think. We've probably both wish that we had known about Donald Time. Maybe you did but we we might have. We might have raced to write about it at the time. It was a situation where a rise was brought into a game in an Oh to count because what the battery had been injured rejected that this was in July and it was was Jonathan Scope. Hurt his oblique swinging. And so yeah. There is an to pitch against at Wendy S and arise came in as a pinch hitter so oh to against Edwin Diaz who granted to not have good season. But he certainly struck out a Lotta guys and when you're down to and you have the pinch hit penalty and you're coming. If coming in cold off the bench against the guy who throws one hundred that is a pretty tough assignment and yes so. According to this article Twin Cities Dot Dot Com Reis Faldo three street pitches then he took two straight balls than he fouled off a high fastball then he took an inside slider for a ball to get a full count and then he fouled off another slider and then took a fastball outside to draw walk and he pirouetted toward the twins dugout and shouted toward his teammates. mates who responded with a massive roar of their own which probably wouldn't hear a massive roar greeting a walk in a just a July game. Mm All that often. But this was really impressive and everyone was raving about it. So Rocco Bell Deli said. I don't know how many people in the entire world could have the at Pat. He had last night. I'm not trying to be overly dramatic. Here they're only few people out there that have the skill and the general feel in the batter's box and the ability to do that so that is a very high praise. Yeah and he doesn't strike out as you noted but he does walk. We have a rare combination in its particularly. It's an extremely rare air combination. If you don't have a ton of power that some batters when they reached their kind of their peak they have a combination of plate discipline and pitchers there's fearing them that allows them to draw a lot of walks and arise doesn't have that he hit four home runs this year in a year. Where Hundred Berto at twelve for goodness Sake A.? And yet he struck out twenty nine times in walked thirty six. That's ten percent walk rate and that is that's a very rare very rare ratio. Hardly ever see that. Yeah the headline of this article about that plate appearance says with one plate appearance twins rookie Lewis Rise proves future is bright and that kept me thinking about what you can do in one plate appearance to prove that your future is break. 'cause usually we talk about that with pitchers like the idea of signatures significance. Cons- that if a pitcher comes in and he has one start where he strikes out ten and doesn't walk anyone or something. Maybe that one start is enough to tell you something about his career career which I don't know if that's actually true or certainly not universally true but you hear that pitcher outings and obviously if a pitcher throws one pitch and it's one hundred miles per hour or something then he's proved that the future could be bright at least so to have one plate appearance that ends in a walk. Prove if that your future is bright. I wonder if that's actually true or how often that is true. Because like if you end your plate appearance with a ball that you hit one hundred fifteen miles per hour and it goes Four hundred fifty feet or something then. Maybe you've proved that your future is bright. I think Rub Arthur has written before about how just one really really hard hit ball can tell you a lot about a player but one walk. I wonder if that's true. It's probably true that there are certain types of the players who have played appearance like this one player Prince that he had but even like a free swinger who doesn't make contact. All that often could could have a single plate appearance where he did something like this. So maybe it's not really just this one plate appearance because as Ball Deli also said he's had that at at pet against many other pitchers and either gotten a hit or a walk or hit a ball in the barrel or something else positive. It's not surprising. Because he's done it before so they they should. I put him into every game. Someone falls behind Oh to yeah. That's right yeah yeah. It's a sort of no fun to say it but I agree. uh-huh you that there's nothing that significant about I mean. He fouled off some pitches when like every batter fouls off. Like thirty percent of the pitches that they a swing at him and he took some pitches. Almost every batter takes roughly half at least of the balls or much more of the balls that are out of the strike zone against him. So have you just do the math that he saw. What did he see? Seven pitches after the two that he was. He was granted the Oto he saw seven more six more so he had like Yeah I mean part of the big part of the reason that this plate appearance lasted as long as it did was that he did not hit a ball fair for a double so that that said it is a great a great bat. He was not one of the twins. Top Ten prospects going into the season he did not play for the twins ends for almost half the season and he ended up tying Vladimir Guerrero junior in rookie of the year voting uh-huh with a higher war per per game name and so that was tremendous gendron. Can I do a quick Mitch. Garber all right. I'm going to read you a list of names. Those names are Sumi Sosa. Roger Marris Babe Ruth Mark mcgwire Barry Bonds Hobby Lopez Jd. Martinez Matt. Matt Williams. Hank Aaron those are the only players in history who have ever had a season with a higher home run rate than Mitch Garber. Well all right on in at least three hundred at least two. I'll say in at least two hundred fifty. I could've said three hundred and fifty but I love her her to make it sound slightly better than I explained to the process to to undercut my integrity or white socks so this suggestion in comes from a listener facebook member named Jerome. Who Says I think this was widely underappreciated Loy Jimenez who was traded from the cubs hit a pinch pinch hit home run in his first at bat against the cubs in spring training and said he was waiting for that moment to get revenge ever since the trade then in his first game at Wrigley deep he hits the game winning home run? It's just about the most exciting thing that can happen for a seventy two win. Team Star Prospect. Hit game winning homer on the road in his first game against his former team the crosstown rival when he came up to bat late in the game everyone was either anticipating or dreading smacking. One out. He did it on a broken PAT to west cool in two thousand nineteen but whatever and that's that's nice. That's the kind of story that you know about a team if you follow it every day and and you're a fan of it and you live in that city and you might not know as a national person when you certainly know about a lawyer Jimenez but you might not know about his his vow to get vengeance against the cubs. I don't know if you can't get vengeance in a spring training game. I'm not sure you can get revenge for trade. I'm not sure you can really make much of an impact at all all in a spring training game. But then he did it in his first game against them in the regular season. So yeah. That's a pretty cool crosstown story. Yeah it was. It was something that I just knew for a fact when I was a kid that players who got traded by team were better against that team because they were so mad. Known that you we knew that. Certainly yeah sure. I've never seen a study on it but I haven't either. I I remember my recollection. Is that Kevin. Mitchell was was the prototype for this theory because he hit so well against the padres and maybe also the mets check. Now let's see I mean the problem is that Kevin Kevin Mitchell played for so long after that and then had so many former teams that this is not going to be that revealing. But for what it's worth against the padres eighty nine games. One thousand one OPIE s against the mets seventy games nine twenty seven opie s again. I don't know but what he had a career. Oh Bs of eight eighty so he did much better against the padres dumb dumb dumb tangent. Would you see. He was traded from from the cubs in the Jose. Kitano trade. Yeah so that wasn't like a it wasn't like wasn't challenge wasn't a challenge like hey this is a great prospect and we've got to give up a Prospect to get a really good pitcher because we need pitcher so if I were him as I I don't think I would hold a grudge and say they didn't believe in me they just You know they had to get this other guy. which but I mean? This is how players motivate themselves. So it's fine. Yeah I think it would be different if he had been in in like say aaa the time and he could have said well why. Go Get a new pitcher when you could call me up right now. I make the team better right now but he she was in high. It was clearly just one of those trades and they had traded Kleber Torres and they like not that far before that. And they were trading Dylan Ellen season the very same trade and so this is a team that was trading. All Its top prospect. By the way I wanted to say one last thing about a rise I forgot. I wrote an article last off-season season about the most impressive plate appearance of the twenty eighteen season. And it was when star on Castro fell behind oa-to against Josh Hader and then homered on I think the fourteenth pitcher combat or something like that and starling Castro like is definitely not a on the one hand. Startling gas is definitely not the one player that you'd say. has that skill lsat like he he is. There's nothing notable about starling Castro. He's like an average hitter in every respect and so it was an extremely special batons anything particularly special about him on the other hand if Lewis is came up and it was like his twentieth game in the majors is a twenty two year old. And you said this plate appearance shows that. He's going to be as good as starling Roland Castro. I think everybody would go awesome. Yeah that's true. Yeah I'm looking forward to low him in his twenty twenty because he kind of turned it on as the season went on. I do these top ten things I go on. MLB Network to do these top ten positional rankings. Every offseason with Mike petrello infants genera narrower recording in just a few weeks the twenty twenty one. I think both Mike and I had boy as an let grow junior on top ten lists heading into the twenty nineteen season. I don't remember which positions they were eligible at but we were so confident in them and it's pretty rare to before a player even makes his Major League debut to say this is right now. This season one of the ten best players at that position. You have to have a lot of faith in a player air to think that he would just walk into the big leagues and from day. One be one of the ten best players at his position. And we both thought. Highly enough of Vlad and Elena Jimenez to put them on our lists and incorrectly as it turned out because they they had some growing pains and they did not have great seasons. Jimenez hurt himself self. I think also when he was really heating up but even so he had a first-half diversity plus a window five second half of one twenty eight and Vlad of course I hit better as the season went onto. He got up to a one twelve in the second. Half as after a ninety seven in the first half so look forward to seeing being full seasons of those guys and maybe they will have the seasons in twenty twenty that we hoped and thought they would have in two thousand nineteen all right and the last team is the Yankees. How could they be anything? We didn't talk about with the Yankees this year. We talked about the Matan. There wasn't much that people suggested but Gabe pointed out and I think maybe Martin did also that the Yankees lost each of their first three home series and the series were against the Orioles Tigers and white sox and then they never lost another home series the rest of the season. Wow I guess until their Their final playoff series which they did lose but still. It's pretty impressive that they that they didn't lose one all season long after April and the three they did were all the first I three and against the three of the worst teams in the League Orioles Tigers and white sox some start to the season. Good one yeah also wanted not to mention that On starwars day may fourth. Someone else suggested that we linked to CICI's Abacha who dressed up as Yoda and it's he really went for it he had the the ears and the skin paint and the clubs with the three fingers and the jedi robes. It's like a before Babe Yoda Bath Yoda and it's like the opposite. It's like a six eight guy or whatever. He is with the a Yoda a costume. It's it's endearing I guess but also sort of disturbing. But he was greeting people going into Yankee Stadium as Yoda and the signing autographs Grafton kissing babies or whatever really went for it got the whole mask the bald head the wrinkled green face paint. It's it's quite a sight so I'll link to that for people who missed that follows a that that ahead I guess. Maybe that establishes a tradition because twenty years ago about twenty years ago twenty in years ago twenty years ago. I think it was twenty years ago. Hang on I'm checking the date. Seventeen eighty nine hundred twenty. One years ago Pedro Martinez wore a full Foale. Yoda mask in the dugout of the Red Sox for some reason. I don't know why it wasn't for the fourth. I guess I don't don't know why it was. It was no. I don't know why don't know why I don't know why I don't know why did it. In fact I'm reading now. We may never know why he did. Ah Happy not knowing all right so that is the end of this exercise. It was fun I went through in these things. Thanks all the suggestions Russians story says you know we really do this midseason yeah. There's probably like one in July. Maybe one of the break all right that will do it for today. The end for this week. Thanks for listening. 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The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 698  Fireside Chat: Biggest Movers from 2CLs

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The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 698 Fireside Chat: Biggest Movers from 2CLs

"Welcome to the fireside chat, presented by Rhoda, graphs and pitcher list, sit back, relax and enjoy Paul spore and Nick Pollock. Hello. And welcome episode six ninety eight of the sleeper, in the bust. It is Friday may thirty-first. I'm your host polls for and it's another fireside chat. So I'm joined by Nick Pollock, Nick, it's going on. What is happened? How you doing spor? I'm doing well man we got we got some interesting stuff to talk about today. I just kind of you know granted through the end of the week here to get to the weekend, but I am excited about this. We're doing a little little check in here. We just had the second chance leagues last week. So we're going to compare where pitchers went in second chance leaves versus where they went in the road wire online leagues in the in the spring because I was about twelve teachers just kind of talk about some of the bigger risers bigger fallers, some check ins on some guys. Right. Visit are going to be some folks that we've talked about at length you and is so people can find previous pods for that. But obviously some time has passed. And so I want to I, I wanna I wanna talk at least a little bit about some of those, and we. We have one guy who entered the top one hundred pitchers brand new one starter. There were actually a few other relievers as well. But by the way, the way, the NFC, does is it makes his relievers and starters, and I didn't quite have time to pull them out. So this is among all pitchers when you hear these numbers, pick, one fifty that would be one, fifty one fifty among all pitchers. As opposed to one hundred fiftieth starts so we can get rid of like thirty or so from that one fifty two twenty since you, would you would think you can do that. You know, at the higher end, maybe the top fifty eliminate seven or so. You know, do some short hand, but it's just to give you an idea the numbers aren't as important. It's just the gains that they've had. So let's dive in with that, that new top one hundred pitcher the one top one hundred starter or the one pitcher, who is a star who joined the top one hundred there are probably more time one hundred stars if I would've taken out relievers, but it's Griffin canning, and he joined he wasn't obviously drafted in the spring 'specially twelve teamer, and he was the ninety third pitcher to go off the board. And you know, he's always had that really scintillating swing strike rate at fifteen percent feeling good strikeout rate of twenty six percent seven percent, walks through sixty eight point ninety six whip you gotta love both. Those, the indicators are preaching a little bit of caution. You got four four thirty eight on the fifth, and then you have three ninety four on the Sierra. Where do you see Griffin canning going the rest of the year? And what do you think what do you think for a workload situation too? Yeah, that's a good question about the about the workload with cannon considering that last year. I'm doing quick maths right now. But I'm seeing about one hundred. Hundred ten last year. Something like that. Yeah. So I'm saying about their out say a hundred fifty or so for canning this year. I don't get too wrapped up in the the thirty percent boost, or whatever you wanna say about it generally when guys comes to the majors. What I've seen is that they say, hey, it was just get him this first season, one hundred forty hundred fifty for garlic of the previous season's guy those forty innings of previous years. They're not just going to stop them at eighty or ninety or something like that. Exactly. So, so, yeah, I would anticipate about one hundred fifty this season. He already has a forty eight in the books right now. And there's a lot to say about canning. Obviously, you're bringing up the gap in Aaron fit because of that two hundred Babb and near ninety percent of them base rates. Sierra brings it down a bit because the the fifteen percent home fly ball rate. But all that aside, I was really excited to see that his velocity in his debut actually stuck around a bit. There was a ninety three point seven we normally don't see that because dren Liz, hi. And then. He went to lower or so. An aunt to write in that debut. He was bringing now did decline as the start went on a bit, which then maybe like, okay, that's really who is going to be ninety one or ninety two. But actually, he's been Cohen, ninety three and change through the year. This far was ninety three point four in his last nineteen point seven and ninety point eight the previous three games. So that's fantastic there. And he has what I call the Blake smell boop Rindt of fastballs going up with two good, breaking balls down that curveball is, in fact, a money pitch by current definition of fifteen percent, plus Ling, strike rate forty percent was swing and zone rate. And then slider has like a twenty five percents winning streak right on its own, too. So I love all three of those pitches. He doesn't mean need to fly with that change if they throws under ten percent chain, you actually remember getting, it got the two out's debut. It's one of those moments where you just have the excitement about a pitch. You don't know what's going to happen with every pitch also through those changes that they roll over to, to I run out, and I'm just go. Yes, this is so exciting. You know, everything, but I know. I have not put any weight on that change up. So I really think that canning is premature Shane Bieber like this is has the night higher. Blueprint of Shane Bieber. Down obviously has taken us up for this year with commanding that. I mean, we saw that Baltimore Orioles star, it was to perfection. The way that he patted his own, and then just use breaking balls underneath now canning is a little bit more embracing the elevation of four seymour's than than beeper does beaver loves to the bottom a lot. But at the same time, I think this might be a bit too macho season for Kenny as he does figure it out a bit. But especially for twenty twenty I'm a huge fan of Griffin candy. Yeah. I really like what, what we've seen from canning so far. Definitely someone that after that debut the swings and misses you just can't really fake that you rarely see guy get that kind of swing and miss, and not have something behind it. Anyone can game? I guess, but it really did look like, and I like when the guys come in there bit more, polished to. Right. This is a guy as far as a pickup, coming out of UCLA a little bit more ready to go as opposed to some of the raargh is more wrong is come up. So yeah, I'm excited about what he's going to be able to I'd put him in the high threes as an expectation and kinda work off of that. As far as the for Griffin canning. Sounds throw a curveball at you. Sure. I'm probably gonna hit though. I don't think it's a hanging curb spike. We did do BP. So I, I don't know. I see curve is tossed. No way he got is that there is another guy another pitcher who is a new topple hundred. He's one hundred exactly. That's why missed him because I was kind of doing under one hundred Spencer Turnbull as the one hundred pitcher off the board. And I do think he merits some consideration. Because think we wanted to talk about them a long time ago. But it's been a while now he's still toting sub three area to ninety seven the one twenty nine whip says, there's no chance that that's going to hold along with three eighty seven fifth, and the four thirty one Sierra, you know, nothing about this is saying sub three that's fine though still getting the whiffs at twelve percent. Clint yielding twenty four percents strike kind of that perfect two point of his swing strike. Great working walks up a little bit your nine percent. Nothing untenable there. What do you see on Turnbull for the rest of the season because I feel like every time. He might have a wobbly start. People are like, well, do I need to get out of this now? And then he bounces back give up those six against Oakland, but it was only one end and he was right back at it again with a decent start against Miami. And then I think it was wobbly early against the Mets and then ended up going seven in only giving up four runs with eight strikeouts. In walk. I'll take that all day even with the elevated earned run average there. What do you think Spencer, Turnball rest of the way the way that you just describing it as like? He's a reverse Fulmer in the way that he's messing up early. And then doing great. Good way to put it is this. I don't know. This is a bad instinct to have, but with a guy like Turnball who's young. And has this Ross stuff, I almost want to just forget about all the basic underlining numbers with him. Whatever he has done this far. I don't really know moving forward. I have to expect he's going to go through some growth and development, and I'm more focused on, okay? Was he throwing this star? He's good with this curve ball, in this star, he's going to sinkers instead of four seamers, or he's working slide or more. I see this entire season as a mixing pot of Turnball stuff coming together to hopefully turn out into good starter so everything he's kind of done up to now. I mean it's a decent indication of him feeling it out. But a three four one walk per nine. I don't you know from what I assess was turn Bobi. He's probably is going to be like a three or sub three walk Brennan guy. I what I'm getting at is. It's hard to tell what we're gonna get from. Turnball right now. All everything that's happened. This for has been this experimentation. I feel from. Yes. And so it makes me hard press. Release it okay to ninety seventy eight with four thirty one what is he and I just give you a massive shrug? We'll see what happens. I'm excited though. His curveball has been so good at times. I remember against the royals you killed it with that page. But actually it's been kind of shaky. It was like ten swinging strikes off of again. See when he got seven strikeouts. But you're right or ten strikeouts in any bounce back for seven against them later. But yeah, it's gone in and out a lot of pitches. That's the thing with Turnball. He's been kind of you're kind of hinting at how he does things differently seemingly, you start that does speak to having a depth of arsenal though, that I do that he can kind of this pitches, working today. This one is inter you know what, what am I going to get out of out of the curve ball today? Do I feel for. No, I can go to the slider sinker slider instead. So I am intrigued by that with. And I definitely think he's somebody I'm holding. I'm not arguing him like one bad start is not enough. Skills is actually really good. I love his four seamer and the more that he recently, he's been throwing more goes four seamers over sinkers, which is great because bad. Just get hate sinkers. We do. I maybe a handful of pitchers. Okay. Fine. You can throw a sinker, Joey Lucchessi and Stephen mats or two. That comes to mind, but turn black, she has cut action on that four seamer, and then paired with a really vicious slider. Those bitches in itself make me very much courage about Turnball teamers. I'm holding on for like you said to for the long haul here with him the curb. Oh, really is that extra pitch that once that gets going? I think you have the kind of same, all we were just talking about with canning and chain Bieber as well. These guys was three pitch mixes to pitches with a good enough fastball. I, I don't know if who would have the best fastball of that lot. I wanna say panting based on how he uses it at the same time, the action on turn bills is really encouraging to is nice. And I mean, I think we can kind of pushed away bieber's as just being hit times. Yeah. Between the three of them. You gotta put. Put you gotta beamer third on rice ball, but I'm happy to see these in the top one hundred now. So we like we like returnable going, we're hanging onto him. Let's move on to some of the biggest risers here. And a lot of these names won't surprise you but we'll dig it on them a bit Jordan. Lyles went from the two hundred fifty ninth pitcher to eighty fifth stool check in on him. I think his last outing was a little bit rough. It was the beginning of the Derek Dietrich show. He only allowed, one of the homers to Dietrich, but Jordan Lyles has been a little bit up and down to starts ago. He had he was cruising. He was cruising through five and then six runs unload on him in the six. In fact, I think the, the bullpen gave up a few of those as well which is always frustrating. I think I feel like it's probably just because I remember them because I'm in on Lyles must grove entire on. But I feel like they're bullpen has really added some runs to my air as in fantasy this year on those three pitchers. And again, I'm sure that haven't across the board. Selectively remembering, but buying large Lyles has been great, even if you look at the nine earned in nine two thirds over his last two starts, that's only got about three. Oh nine like he'd had a one ninety seven before that. We knew wasn't gonna hold. I'm like, in Lyles here. The hamstring isn't anything. Any pitches schedule start on Sunday. We'll assess it from there. But let's let's imagine a healthy Lyles, how do you feel about him right now? What is his best pitch spor? What is his best pitch? What do you think her ball? Curveballs actually is third technically by peeve. Al, if that his rights, I am too. I actually didn't expect to see that one point eight P vowel for that seven point three for his four seamer in. Later. And so it's fastballs doing war. Right. So he's going up zone along with it. And I think the game against the Padres, I mean, then, again the Padres are like the ridiculously easy to explain team, very whiff test. Right. They can get you with a Homer, prone guy can get got by by the Padres, but you're still even gonna get strikeouts from that guy. Well, he got a lawn K's going up with that with that, foresee Mer. And then when he pairs curveballs very deadly. And the reason the slider has a higher vowel is because that's only sixty plus zone pitch. So that, that's a really flexible thing to have as a centrally. The Walker bueller approach in my mind of four seamers going up and then curbs going down underneath a sliders or for, for now for bueller. It's cutters being the pitch that you still strikes was kind of pitching nine in that way. So I like Lyles in that fashion. I don't think that the quality of all these bitches or as high as others that we've been talking about. Which doesn't make him this bit of all Attila that we've seen obviously, of course, the injury the hand and then the, the hamstrings you mentioned is part of that as well. But honestly, a healthy Lyles. I mean I'm totally fine rolling with a lot. He's definitely unable to all teams I still be holding on him through this little stretch. Yeah. He's going to go through a bit of what I cough is going through right now a little bit. But he's a step up Vykov at this point. And. Yeah, I'm happy. If I was the one that Sukhum off the wire. Yeah. Stay in Jordan Lyles right now, again keep close eye on on everything with that hamstring. If he had to kind of get pushed back on Sunday, starting didn't have to face the brewers, don't think anyone would cry. But, you know, hopefully there's nothing long-term with that hamstring. Let's talk some Lucas Jalil man, because he's been amazing. So he is now down to two eighty five era in point ninety eight whip. I mean he is panning out to the level that was expected when he was first drafted, obviously, the, the expectations on Gilio really came down pretty much from from day one. Right. Like you kind of started here when it was when he was a first round pick, obviously got hurt. But then once it comes back from the TJ, he's going to start and then from there, his stock is just kind of steadily dipped down, and then even started to plummet a bit as he put up some poor major league work. Well, he's been an absolute excuse me. He's been absolute beast and it started like in. In a start. Right. Before he got hurt. You only gone only went to into thirds against Casey was pitching really well gets hurt. Mrs just two weeks had the may from heaven, though he absolutely went off in may one seventy four forty six strikeouts. In forty one and a third, he won five and all is well so he's up to seven in one. So getting wins on a lowly White Sox team is very nice has to complete games this year. Let me see what was the other. One of those was a rain. I thought I thought so one of those rain out complete games. So as five inning, let's not overstate that. But the shutout that he has was in. And I think that opened up. Everybody's eyes wasn't really who weren't really paying attention to. You know that's just on may twenty third. They're like. Oh, crap. Right. What? Now. Right. So lido's been excellent lately. How do you feel about about his stock? Are you buying in on this? So, yeah, we were all hesitant because Cleveland Toronto twice, and when he did well, and it was also well in Houston, actually, even after that I was still hesitant. He didn't have the best to w rate during that was again, across cultures and I didn't really love with his secondary pitches. We're doing in that one. It really was this Kansas City Royals one that just totally sold me that was eight innings ten strikeouts. Three in runs. I was essentially just the three shot in the first inning. And then just absolute demolition after that. And that's because you hear about about the three run Homer that he just gave up in that game. So the game started earlier than he thought, right? And he was often hundred percent track on his warm up. Yeah. And so you. It has the rough first inning. And you're probably, you know, it will freak out when God I just picked him rates. Runs in the first three it's just that's it. And then he was really int- for seven more. And he was elevating heat so effectively. And I feel g Lino, right? I feel very late to the party in the sense. I watched one of the stars. Wait a second. This isn't the lead. I know and I noticed that the V arm and not the long arm circle. And obviously, of course, there's athletic article, you know way before I notice all those it just completely passing by. I'm sold on totally sold them. What he's doing that. The key has always been that his fastball has not been commanded well-known, and we thought maybe the slider or the change would be the way to pitch backwards. And the curb would never get there. We knew the Kirpal still isn't there needs to be when now that he has his fastball inside the zone and dominating with it. I mean, we're talking also ninety four ninety five it was ninety ninety three before. And when he got back as good, because again playing right? The change has become his really is. Go to pitch. Slider is now working to that worked against the royals as well. I'm so in on what you leaders doing. He's top thirty for me. Oh, I wrote him I wrote him back on may eighth. And I kind of looked at that one of the Cleveland outings, in detail highlighting three at bat city had where we walked guys and kind of what his approach was and how I was liking. Lot of what is what is approach was sort of some of the stuff we talk about with a Bieber type or Saint don't be afraid to why in the right situation because his walk rate was high to that point, it was like eleven percent. I was like this is not necessarily a bad thing. And since then he's gotten it down to nine percent, which is more palatable. In fact, if you really just kind of look at it on this run dating back to April seventeenth. You're looking at a seven percent, Mark six point six so rounded up for g Lido and the strikeouts in may seven eight eight four, which was in the five inning, quote unquote, complete game nine and then ten he's been a monster. He has sixty nine very nice strikeouts. All right, moving on to our next guy here. Tyler Molly moved up from two forty nine to one four. There's been some love for Molly here and, you know, Cincinnati pitching, they're hitting was expected to kind of make them maybe a little bit of a fringe contender. At least a, a spoiler of some sort. It's been their pitching that's really made them anything right now they're still four games under, but they're starting to play better, the offense is starting to come through a little bit. But they're pitching undoubtedly carrying them entire molly's Benecke piece of that. Tell me a bit about what you're seeing from Tyler Molly. I know you have article plan. But what, what have we got so far? So. So Tyler Molly, I just don't love them. Like other people do, we had actually debate urban debate on the on the discord about it. I where Molly is best acid is fast ball, and that's always going to be the case you wanna see wanna kind of leading into words left-handers, and that's Senate, where he puts it the problem is, I don't trust us curb on is, is changing. It's a split changeup. I think that's going to go in and out for him the entire year this Koerbel at times. I mean there have been times, this completely beautiful blueprint of red up, four seymour's up, and then your, your change in your Koerbels down, and that's great. But I just don't, don't buy Molly as someone that can consistently produce at this level. And we saw with two tests recently against the cubs and the dodgers finally against these two opponents. And he did well against the dodgers. But actually, I think you got a bit fortunate in that one to thirty five been that no home runs them based on your percent etcetera. I didn't really see a guy that was really dominating that much. And that was sandwich to starts a foreign runs against the giants and then six runs against the in oracle Cisco. Yeah. Come on. I mean he didn't eight strike as there too, but it's a home runs in that one. And I I'm not saying the Molly won't have great starts. I mean, we see seven nine seven eight ks he's had this here, and that's not going to go away, but he's going to have a love all Tilleke. I've labeled him as a cherry bomb. That is super sweeter blows up in your face. And I, I know the debate was would you rather have Wade Miley or Tyler, Molly? I'm citing Miley side, personally. He's also gun whiffs just crazy, but he has a twenty six percent last five or six starts for Wade Miley. So if if Wade Miley getting strikeout, he's a ratio guy with that makes him a lot easier to pick over Molly because you were going to strike outs originally. And just think any ratios and wins like you said, Ryan good context. But if you're gonna throw. Strikeouts. He's got nine eight nine in his last two starts a five and seven. Earlier in the month as well. Yeah, I'll take him to take Wade Miley, over Tyler, Molly. But I do like Molly. I agree with you on the volatility, though. I think we've seen it and home runs have been a part of it. And that's. I feel like that comes from being so fast ball, dependent though, too. We'll see this last. Eight starts have been four and runs or more in five of them. See that's that's frustrating. And a one point six hundred per nine is down from one point eight last year. So homers are just part of his game. And that's kinda the easiest way to get wrecked with your IRA these days, or at least keep it from being what we liked to see which is something sub three tunnel. He's at four fifteen with a four eleven fifth and a three seventy one Sierras. So I would use the Sierras, maybe the upside, if he kind of figured out some home runs. We limit the homers other than that you're looking at a low four. So if you can use that with strikeouts. That's fine. But that's very league league dependent fifteen mix or an NFL only or your deeper mixers. No. Some folks play twenty plus teams with their mix leaks because they're psychopath. But I'm when I'm on some not hating. Of course, what's gonna Frankie Montas? He goes from one ninety three to fifty one. So he really jumps up, of course folks are really bought in on on montage here. He's been great for Oakland or looking at anyone one a one twenty whip combo. And he's starting to put some things together. So first couple years, he could get some strikeouts. But he was wildest can be nothing really to, to look at except the occasional decent start. Then last year he put some stuff together ratio-wise for a little while. But the skills were so unimpressive, it seemed like he was really just trying to limit walks and didn't really care how that happened. So strikeouts went away. You know he gave a bunch of hit. It's but you know what he wasn't walking guys this year? He's kind of put everything together. It's got that strikeout rate. It's got that walk right down still and, and Frankie montage has been really sharp so far. Are you buying what he selling? Well, the biggest argument, I've heard abounds monta success. Is that before he was really just throwing seventy seventy five percent? Fastballs, and bowling ball, sinker that he would throw that would just induce a lot of grounders. And actually honestly grounders only forty three percent last year. But essentially, a lot of contact essentially, and that's why you have the lower strike. I read the high ten plus per nine because when you leave that up the bab- three twenty five it's just wasn't that good. Even the Walker was down. But introducing that splitter. And all of a sudden is pitch mix, as much different you have about fifty to fifty five percent fastballs now maybe a little sometimes pushing sixty but that's a mix of sinkers and forcing I love that he uses four seamers finally. Thank you. You don't like sinkers or anti RIA. We are definitely anti sinker. I like the fact that he is really trusting slider. Bit more this year. It is thirty eight percents onery on a swing for strikes. Good amount. It sounds like he's in my office. Doesn't it? This is your first experience with how gifts in. That's get us funny. Sorry. It sounds like he's like literally behind me, like in my Ali, that's just him buzzing off all the bats with his singer, gum. But I know the splitter is actually very effective as a whiff pitch. Twenty percents strike this forty-three percent owes swing. Now. I don't necessarily buy that, that splitter will be there all the time. It is a split fastball roommate or split finger remember that is the most inconsistent pitch out there across the board Tanakh as the best one. Yeah. That's a terrible pitch for him this year. So it's I mean it's been it's been Homer fest, again for Tanaka per per you. So I so with Montas I think he's doing really well right now I don't believe the two eight one year. Ray I think he's more of a like a three four kind of guy about twenty twenty four percent. K right now. Yeah. Sounds about right twenty three. Okay. I think he's going to be solid through the year. I think people that also want him to be elevated more. My ranks I have him just outside the top thirty. I think I think he's gonna some folks there, he, he gets some of like he's a kind of a fan favourite type I think because he's he, he can be flashy with the big heater and he's bringing bringing some strikeouts now and keeping the walks limited. So I think folks really want him to be successful. And so he gets a little bit of extra of, but I agree with kind of tempering where this is going to be because it's not a sub three area. Profile slider needs to be better. It's not that great of a pitch. And if I thought that was a really good breaking ball be so in because he could just then have field day with a synchronous slider. If the splitter is gone, but the slider is, it's fine. It's not great. And without that, then I'm not buying in super high. Fair enough. Let's check in on max freed. Remember we talked about him a while ago. And you actually sold me on, hey, there's actually some K rate upside here because he's, he's finally working three pitches. He's now got his season Mark up to twenty two percent. I think at the time that we, we had talked about it was pretty low. It was it was in the teens and I was just like what is this guy? So I've been pretty impressed by what he's been able to do this three nineteen area, one Twenty-one whip there are some very good factors in max. Reads profile. You know, he's not perfect, but he's certainly good is max freed, somebody that you're that you're going with the rest of the I am. He has gone through problems recently as feel for his the last start for example, against the, the nationals was not really there. Max read is is the best way. He's throwing high ish at least both sides of the plate. But then a really low curveball and mixing, and he brings it ninety brings it ninety four from the left. So I was great rates commanded to. And so those two themselves are great, and then he throws in the slider, and that's a good with pitch. And all of a sudden everything is wonderful. The problem is that he hasn't hasn't really gone on that stretch with everything is there, by the way that's lighter over one hundred this qualifies as a money pitch. Seventeen point five percents. Go great forty percent plus zone. Ray Anna forty one percent plus swing. One of these six batting average allow them well as well just as to icing on that cake. But I really do feel that one is curb ball, is there, everything works out, well, and then it's just even better without slider. Some people are worried about this fading, you see the three ninety Sierra seventeen percent home or viable rate three hundred Babs Eighty-one percent base. Honestly, I don't I don't really see that. That's just a product of, of the low strikeout rate right now. I think he's more like a twenty four percent k rate with. Yeah. Offering this three twenty erase ounds. Right. Honestly, I think he better in the whip department. I want to one right now. I honestly think we. Haven't really seen the full gear of max freed yet, when he can go six innings wanted running, six to seven case consistently twenty four percent strikeout rate overs, last eight starts from X free as well. And that even includes a one inning flame out against the dodgers where he was. He was out after long four hits four runs on four hits in a walk, including Homer. So max read has been very good so far this year, and I'm bought in now we check in on Caleb Smith. He jumped all the way up for one fifty thirty three and we've definitely talked about him. Plenty kansas. Yeah. No, no one. No one on him obviously been been talked about quite a bit. So we'll keep this one pretty short here because I don't think we need to continue to dive in, but he's been excellent. And I guess the question is, do you believe in him as a top thirty guy the rest of the way? I mean he's a guy that before the last where everything was just not working, which is national star. I'm willing to throw that one out. Everything are gonna have a bad pretty much every star has been above seven strike. There's just one and it was six against the Phillies. Everything has been it was six six oh, man. He's so good. It's everything. He just has a slider that can do everything is change that works. Well, and then he elevates forcing it's just they're in a great home ballpark. I'm in. I'm so in. Yeah, I, I really am too, and it's, it's hard to find anything that you can't. You don't really like against Caleb Smith, other than stuff like soft factors like team contact right? You know, which okay that's stinks. But there's nothing you can really do about it. You gotta take the strike outs and the good ratios with Caleb Smith and just continue to enjoy it. If you could sell high feel free to, but I don't think there's I wouldn't necessarily seek out trying to get away from because I don't really think there's any. You know, like major innings limit that's gonna come or anything that I need to get away from I just take this late round pick or waiver wire pick-up, depending on the show is your league and just ride it out the full year. And you're pretty much guaranteed a profit no matter what. Right. So all right. Let's move to some of the biggest fallers here, and these are also some guys that we talked a lot about this, actually a lot quicker than than the risers here. But Nick pa- Ventas back. He dropped fifty three to one thirty four and I gave up two runs in the first inning. And I didn't go on Twitter during that wasn't. Wasn't allowed. I'm sure was I'm sure it was all, you know, Nicoletta still sucks. These these the worst, but then he calmed down, and he was fine. You know, he ended up going five it was three runs in the first, but then he ended up going five striking out five in the final four innings on just one hit and two walks. So we'll be in the first any against Saint Louis, but otherwise good is someone. You're back in on no. I think this, this start itself, like I talk about cherry bombs guys that are volatile and really good. And they're gonna be really bad. The fact that Pavetti was one in the start. It self is just so such a great represents. It wasn't just that I ending. Yeah. The fourth anywhere he walked the basis that he didn't. He got to walk to guys essentially on eight pitches, and then the previous one was Matt carpenter. They got the three no line in the Michigan groundout or fly out or something along those lines. But I mean he was just lost fourth any escaped somehow. But this is the story he's never gonna be the person we want. He's going to also beautiful curve ball and follow up with a fast. He fall in love in that moment. And then it just flutters away and this will not change. I mean look, he's going to have three starts in a row. I'm sure at some point that blaze away and everything is fixed. And then it won't, so I, I just don't want to deal with what do you think? Of him. There was an article written at the site about making him a middle a multi middle reliever. Right. That could work because I know that, that's better fit for me. Both haven Velasco's. Right. Yeah, you six six six Sanches, wait. Never mind. Can't do that anymore. Way late. But, but yeah, I mean, I think it could certainly it makes sense that, you know, because there are obviously in the midst of a two three inning relief appearance. He could he could fall apart too. But I think it would allow them to of course, you know, go all out more and just push push that veto to its max and really pare down to two pitches. I kind of liked it. I thought it made some sense. Totally see the fact that I'm trusting him teams as the starter. I'm all for it, though. That's only only, I'm so selfish in this. I don't care about their roles. Are they going to be a good starter as a starter that I want that if they're not then yet? Yeah. Then do whatever you another big dropper here that, if they ran the drafts again, this weekend, he would drop even further as Chris Archer from forty nine to one away. He's been brutal aero Cohen has obviously if you follow him on Twitter, you've been seeing a lot of his chatter about Kris starter, and how he saying its name value only jump off of this train. He's actually archers gotten a lot worse since Ariel really started to kind of bring them up and talk about his issues like since coming back or even before he had to start before he got hurt, and then out eighteen days and then the three starts since you add all those four up, it's nine, sixty eight era and two thirds with just so many crooked numbers. Nineteen hundred runs fifteen walks fourteen strikeouts. Five homers is Archer still hurt. Is he toast what's going on? I mean, this is this is tenable in any form right now as far as I'm concerned, of course you wonder world wonder. In the beginning, the first firstly weeks, had he figured it out to be finally. Get the field. I just hope. And you know, obviously I had a cream up in the ranks lose a guy that just did four strikeouts, three games and only four runs in those time with including seven inning stringer game against the nationals. All right. Maybe we have to be more attention to this, and then it's falling off a little bit against the giants. And then he got hurt against the dodgers. And maybe this is elongated deal h and yes, I'm going back the deal h I'm still I want the back and it's sticking around. Inches. Hangover. So for those that don't when you come back, you don't start guy in the first start back from the DL 'cause he's still hung over from. He's not really back where you used to be. And it's being extended one as it's been six hundred and three hundred thousand the foreign runs and six walks last one against the dodgers. Exactly. That's the scary. Right. I will say this. I don't think anyone really wanted to start him in dodger star, he didn't look good against the Rockies in Pittsburgh, and he didn't look in Zona. So I find it interesting to judge them so harshly for that dodgers one because we should have a fair point because what, what team should have had him like maybe an NL only way rice. Kinda your force into a corner, but other than that any mixer that started him. Oh, yeah. Of course, manage or or to say, like you deserve this or something. But it was one of those. I know I I'm with you, your point. Thanks, a lot of sense to really not count it, so harshly, because it should have never been in the in the obviously, we wanna see baron, the six walks. Like, all right. Just walk. Anybody can such. It's just do what you want. Just just don't walk like six guys. Now, he's has a sinker back and clearly isn't working hopefully can get back in the forcing change of slider and things or okay? I, I will say that some point Archer is going to have a good start. And make us wonder again for me personally, it's funny, I had sixty to start the year then I crept them down closer to forty after this first three starts. And now he's been pushed back like sixty five or seventy or something along those lines. And it's just because, like with pathetic. It's just it's just another headache. Another John gray type of these, I don't know, if I want to deal with the headache and such a headache right now and yeah, I'm gonna have my new June rankings about soon. Probably early next week probably Monday. And. Archer's going to be low planet simple. He's just going to be low. I'm kind of done with this right now. And until I see something to really believe in, I'm not I'm not going to be there. Let's check in quickly on miles Mike list. I remember we talked about tennis. Another one that you sold me on bought in it. Definitely worked out. Well, he had one bad start sense, rebounded, since the bad outing at Texas all's well, and he continues to pitch. Well, so are, are we still rolling with miles, Michael jinxed me, spore? How dare you? What did I do? The first two starts here. You're talking about. Oh man. Make Lhasa's fix and everything. And then he had allowed seven runs into Texas be careful. I'm I know I'm really excited. I put out a sweet after his latest start because that's slider was as good as we've seen all year. He had twenty whiffs in that last start toward nine punch outs against Texas. Atlantic. Great. And I'm I'm so stoked about meek loss right now, again not again, but I will say this a lot. It's one start and we need to see him repeat it. But that fat that's light of a loss. Ity has just improved. It was up to eighty point six eighty point six was last year. All of a sudden this incredible positive pitch before it was eighty six point five. So all of a sudden, see that hard slider again, things, I think are turning up from eagle in that respect. Also, he was pushing ninety five on fascinated law city last time he hadn't touch. And that's something all your maybe one star ninety four point one on April twenty six so really good to see that too. I'm really excited for the next week a loss that was one of the things we hit on with him. Was that, hey, he's not himself tossing, right? He's got it's got some juice to his fastball, and that slider can be really nasty from us. Mike was so you know. Here we are, I still think that you combine them if people are going to still see the eighteen percent strikeout, right? Which is kind of it's basically matching last year now with his strikeout and walk rates. The hit rate is still high nine point one in the home are at one point seven hormone rates really gonna come down, and so I would operate with Michael says, like three seventy five eight pitcher and go from there and I think it could be substantially lower recipes I really think you'd be like a three thirty kinda guy. So go test your market. I'd I'd still be looking to buy next report. Sela goes from sixty four to ninety eight. I mean as born is boring gets it. Seems seemingly whenever he gets fully written off as when he strings off. Four really good ones. Start to buy back against you and I start to push them back up our rankings, and then he falters again to his credit, I will say, we've only seen one outing of more than three earned runs in his last nine and so it is a three twenty one era in that span, but forty three strikeouts. Fifty six innings. He's just so bland, I think is the problem in, you know, he's not really getting that much support on on Boston right now. He's foreign four, what do you do with the rest of the me? And you know what I'm gonna call him? Toby toby. I mean he's not Spiderman, which is the greatest Toby, which is great because he's not that good because that. The greatest Hobie could really push. Right. Exactly. But I know that his other nickname is, of course, the thief, after what he did just Burland her thief. And I am but yeah, he's just going to be that guy. And I understand that he's probably going to get like twelve wins this year. And there's some value to that beyond the Red Sox might even get more than that continues for right now. And the Red Sox, I haven't been winning games. I mean, now they're starting to win more. But you understand that, and yeah, he's, he's going to go through ups and downs. He always, does those if you need volume go for it, and standard twelve teamers, it really depends on your wire and also what your team construct is like if you're searching for two or three guys sure you're gonna go for oh and not take all risks there. But for the most part, cell is going to be like the last guy and eeking move him for, for in the next hot thing that comes up. Yep. I totally agree with that, Nick, that's gonna wrap us up really appreciate come on talking, and we got through quite a few guys in pretty expedient time. Good for us. Get in in the weeds. Sometimes, I mean, I think, you know, both of us together surprised we don't have more three hour powers come what I think what's happened is that Friday's become busy for both of us. So we have a tight schedule now and we have to say, listen, we gotta be tight within an hour. So this definitely works. I did mention I'll be having rankings out the next week and obviously you do. So maybe next week rankings discussion one, perhaps so all link up for that. But great talking with the another fireside chat. Nick how great week was great hanging with you by the fire. Thanks for listening, today's fireside chat with Paul spore, and Nick Pollick. Follow both Paul and Nick on Twitter at spore in pitcher list.

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Sportster's Paradise

The Cincinnati and Dayton Sports Podcast

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Sportster's Paradise

"The Covering sports in the Midwest, it's the mid-west network and wfan dot. Net. Episode One seventy four the Cincinnati and Dayton sports podcast. It's also an unplanned episode. Those are the best thanks to a conversation. I had on twitter earlier in the week on talking about how we can grow sports in Dayton Ohio plus some they'll has landed Mallon's mailbag we'll talk about the new. Team Calling Ohio home and talking about the teams active in Cincinnati. It's the local Sunday sports podcast episode one, Seventy Four. Wadham to the Cincinnati and Dayton sports podcasts with Lee W Maui. This is a weekly podcast covering all sports in Cincinnati and Dayton Ohio from Lima to the Ohio River Northern Kentucky from Eastern, Indiana to Madison County and all points in between. This is your source of local Cincinnati and Dayton Ohio sports. visit the Lee wwl Dot com slash podcast to find your favorite podcasting platform music created with the SPLASH APP time for another episode with your host Lee w Malan. Yes. That's right. It's an unplanned episode episode one, Seventy, four, the Cincinnati and Dayton sports podcast like I mentioned. I was very inspired to talk about how we can grow sports in Dayton Ohio. So we'll cover that in just a little bit and I also mentioned there is a new L. team in town that's the indoor football league in Columbus Ohio is it the destroyers or is it something else? Spoiler, something else plus we'll talk about not only the Cincinnati reds but we'll talk about FC Cincinnati in the Columbus crew that's your sports that are active in southwest Ohio? Yes. I'm following the Pacers I saw they headed very nice comeback against the what was it the Portland Trailblazers think it was Portland in that first exhibition match but. I. It's time for Mallon's mailbag. Yes. Indeed we have more male and Mallon's Mel bag, and we're going to answer those right now. Thanks to the fine folks at twelve ounce sports and the family for sending me these questions. Didn't get a lot on facebook or instagram. That's okay. But I did get some on twitter and we're answer them right now just keep in mind just because I said, you had to get those questions in a certain time doesn't mean you can't just ask questions whenever you want on social media facebook twitter Instagram, it's Sunday pod you can ask their or ask. Me Directly, again facebook twitter and instagram the League W. Maolin asked me and any time and we'll have a Mallon's mailbag segment. So feel free to keep asking questions again, the twelve ounce sports family pitched in on all these and we'll go ahead and get started. This is from James a Paxton I believe is the newest person to the twelve ounce sports family Why does the reds bullpen hate the starting rotation? That's a very good question. He actually has a little bit of a tagline for that but I'm GONNA get into serious aspect on that. I. I don't honestly think that the bullpen hates the starting rotation. It's just if you look at all the off season moves that Cincinnati made law to the batting order a lot to the starting rotation by a lot I mean Miley, who now has land on the I al the injured list for a groin injury his first starting Cincinnati was not great. But. I'm looking forward to seeing what the left hander can do after his I l stint. Hopefully, he can recover quickly enough. But Bullpen Wise Pedro strope. Is One of the newcomers to the team but really you still have Michael Lorenzen who is despised by. The Dayton sports talk host on HE ESPN fourteen ten. I personally don't have a problem with Florenzan at all I mean the whole aspect of, Hey, let's Let's make him an outfielder and pitcher that be pretty neat. One net. Not Really. Keep one of the ever the other part to James as Paxton's. Because Honestly Cincinnati has some of the best starter pitchers in the bullpen has ruined them we'll talk about then Did the red starting pitching. Forget to pay their share of the House water bill. So the bullpen doesn't like them or is it both angelic starting rotation because they are better looking or something? I know that's not serious. But at the same time, it is pretty funny and it's part of the mail. So that's why include it and plaza didn't include right off the bat because I had to go on my phone and actually access it. So there you go. No the bullpen doesn't hate starting pitchers by. If the red. Seventy shot. To get to the now extended playoffs, sixteen teams I don't know about that. But if the rats have any shots, they're really gonNA need their starting pitching to be pristine this entire sixty game slight and it has been except for way Miley starts but. The bullpen I feel. They're continuing on from the conclusion last season 'cause like I mentioned last year the started twenty nineteen they were fine. But then Rao may or June they kind of start. Losing their luster and then you have jared Hughes getting access you have a couple more getting acts David. Hernandez is another name. Purse Link I. Don't know why the openness struggling but. Is it the worst bullpen in moby. I don't think it is but what do I really know the cubs won is pretty bad as well. cups are. Really curiously almost like the Cincinnati reds in the sense that. Batting order is superb I keep forgetting Jason. Kipness is now with the cubbies. Every time I see him scores like wait. Aren't you supposed to be in Cleveland Oh? Yeah. That's right. That, you got a good batting order lots of key pieces in there and I think the cubs will also do nice with the D. H. throughout this year and probably give it to Kyle Schwab musty. the starting rotation also superb for Chicago and Cincinnati. So that's why I'm saying they're two very similar teams. Except for the fact that the reds have second year manager. David. Bell who already is getting? A lot of our and anger from the reds fan base because of his switches which. There's part of me that agrees of them as part of me is saying look if the reaching towards one hundred pitches, that's you know. I I don't care that. There's only sixty games in the season. You don't want to wear out their arm where they're not going to be serviceable down the line where you might need them and clutch situations. But that's just me everyone has their own opinions on it for me. But there you go. Also, I've been seeing a lot of urban Meyer from people watching the reds broadcast against Thom Brennaman myself. I don't have Fox Sports Ohio I have a little cheap radio. I bought a Meyer for about eight bucks and I listened seven hundred that way or I don't feel like messing around with that. There's an APP on Google play called Pro Baseball. It's free. And it supposedly allow you to listen to. Off Market Streams like for Cincinnati, they have Athens, which is normally my go-to one to listen to reds game. W. A. T. H. There was one in North Carolina, the worked the reds ones I've tested all but one I believe and most of them don't work most of them, take you to regular programming if it wasn't for baseball the North Carolina one which I forget which one that is. And W. A. T. H. and Athens too. I. Listen to the most not a perfect APP. But Hey, I can listen to it for free so I'm not complaining there. So. Yeah. The bullpen doesn't hate the starting Pitcher, but the bullpen needs a little bit of help outside Pedro strope. So thank you James Paxton for that question. This one is from the sports stance. They had a question for me on the livestream or episode one, seventy two if you remember what St projected number of both thrown into the empty stands by Trevor Bauer. While again, that's not as. Big of a serious question and the only did that one time before his career with the Cleveland Indians was up. Sixty Games I say or under. I I like Bauer think he can offer. A great starting rotation point for the reds. Believe this is his last year with Cincinnati and he's already mentioned. He wants to pitch for the dodgers I believe are in Los Angeles, which I mean. That's fine. All so. This is the year you're GonNa go far in the playoffs and have Trevor Bauer and you're unable to extend them for some reason. Personally I think it's going to be zero maybe one, but we'll see how that goes. Leave this is Lou game land from again, the twelve ounce sports family all these questions are from these fine folks. What are your odds on Joe Borough winning rookie of the year Strong question there. I I. Say Pretty Good. But you also gotta remember those a ton of rookies coming in and you also gotta remember we're still dealing with the current virus you seen how it's mucked up the Miami. Marlins. Now, how many positive tests they've had nineteen total The BREWERS and cardinals. Home Opener for Milwaukee that got postponed. Thanks to the virus. Cincinnati had that white through except for the fact that apparently the players tested negative and luckily they were able to come back and help the reds win that twelve seven affair against the Chicago cubs. Especially since AL adding a solo homerun right after. Castellano Grand Slam against his former teen. I'll have to get into a little bit when I'm talking reds. So I'll save it for their job earl winning rookie of the year. Of course it depends how well. Borough does with Cincinnati his first year I think he's got amazing potential but again, college ball from one stellar year in the college ranks coming up to the NFL doesn't always translate into keeping that saying. The same movement of afloat especially with the coronavirus shutting everything down. I think borough is a solid pick I. mean you also have two in Miami I think if that hip has healed up and you know same thing with him at the dolphins help amount he might have a solid chance of winning it. In terms of other talent I mean. I think burroughs GAL solid, shots? But then again, there's a ton of rookies into the NFL and maybe they'll catch on fire like that. But I've browsed got a solid shot, but it really depends how was first year With Cincinnati goes I have seen a lot of bengals fans impressed. Halley carries himself, and I'm in that same boat to especially when he's talking to Cincinnati sports media about it. So that's been very, very nice to see and I think we got a good kid Joe Borough now. Of course, good kids don't always turn out to be you know. Super Bowl winners but I have a good feeling about boroughs transition to Cincinnati from Louisiana State University. Next. Question comes from Mike at M. A. D.. H. D. on twitter. How long if ever until Joe Borough is the best quarterback in the league, he guesses never. Gerald borough. The best in the League. As much as I like to see it I mean he's got some pretty good competition for that. Most fans will probably point towards Patrick Mahomes who? Became A. Minority owner of the Kansas. City. Royals. So that means he's probably not going anywhere. So he'll be a chief quarterback for quite some time and I like as well. People might point towards Tom Brady. The success he has with the Patriots now taken his talents to Tampa Bay which that's GonNa be CNC. How while he gels with coach Arians and the buccaneers new look buccaneers. As well, and gronk going to t as well which. I mean that's that's pretty interesting. Lamar, Jackson of course I'm high on him for Baltimore I think he's a great quarterback Philip rivers maybe not the Super Bowl rings that people come to expect but. You know if you're looking for a quarterback fantasy football purposes, he does the job quite well. I think it's GonNa take a while burroughs Nagami. The greatest right off the bat unless the Bengals have a sixteen zero regular season and clean sweeps, the playoffs would that be amazing. Yeah. Something I don't know but. It'll take a while and I think borough has if the bengals can keep building up on their team. Them a power horse that the bengals should be then I think borough can be one of the great quarterbacks is GonNa. Take a long time. It's not gonNA happen tomorrow it's not going to happen after the twenty twenty season But I think borough has a legitimate shot. But again, a lot of things have to take place and then you got that nasty injury bug that. Can ruin careers. Let's hopefully let's hope that stays away from borough. And this one from Jeff Beck if you don't know. Jeff Beck. He owns twelve ounce sports and he was the one. Out To me and say, Hey, you come right for twelve ounce sports and I said yes. Now I haven't done much writing which you know. The reds played so that probably means I need to, but you know Lo and behold. Here we go. Great Guy and does law great work. We're twelve on sports as does everyone that through in questions to mounts mailbag and this one's interesting. If the HSA cancels fall sports what will happen to senior recruits with no good offers who were hoping to make their last year in high? School. Football Their Sales Pitch Division One schools particularly. Players at high profile schools like elder Saint, Xavier, and etc. that little pause was thanks to the fact that my writing was a little sloppy there. Yes. This is one of the episodes I don't write on the computer. This is all a notebook I used to do that quite often in the beginning of this podcast nowadays. Interviews I have to type it out of Microsoft word so I can send it to the so they now want I'm going to ask So. What will happen to the senior players that looking to make their last year? Their biggest sales pitch to football schools division one football schools. You know we were living in the age of. There's no huddle. There's no Max wraps. There's nothing like that. I mean, hopefully you have someone that knows how to tape and knows how to. Get footage together. Over wise. Yeah. That would be very, very tough. That would be tough and I. I don't know how you would do that nowadays with huddle and everything I mean. If were trying to make your senior year or maybe even you didn't get to play because you know you're. A quarterback to a quarterback three on your team, and now this is your one and only shot. What will happen to them I mean. The guy have to work on their sales pitch work on your demo work on you know. You GotTa make sure that the college recruiters now that. You're good fit number one and you have a good attitude. You're not letting this corona virus knock you down. Now. As of today, which is July thirty first twenty twenty the last day of the month. Middletown. High School has announced their fall going false sports. There's been several league saying we are sticking conference only like the Greater Western Ohio Conference. And I'm waiting to see if. You Follow Suit Kentucky. High School. Athletic. Association mentioned. No. Out of state foes unless they're county borders, the Commonwealth of Kentucky. which mostly? That would be your Cincinnati area schools and those shouldn't be affected. However, we have had a couple of changes there. Oh, kills and Oh, who's that thirteen I should know this off the top my head well back to twitter. Anyway they're playing week three instead of the. Roger Bacon. That's who it was. Thank goodness that I came back to me. We didn't have to look through twitter again. Yeah. But Roger Bacon Oak Hills and play week three whereas Roger Bacon was supposed to play Covington Central and Simon Kenton was supposed to welcome in kills. I, mean you guys see a lot of that I? Just saw something before recording that Harrison is going to host alter. For Week three of high school football. Now, keep in mind that said the G. Walk said Conference only on all the sports which it affects all fall sports don't get me wrong but that also takes out the battle of kettering alter fairmont unless there's like, okay that can still be played because it's in kettering which I don't know if that will happen or not. The also affect Alter Centerville, which is a big rivalry there as as well. You know kettering. Centerville. That's one thing. I mean I I don't know if that's GONNA shake down I mean some conferences will be better than others just because of the amount of schools they have if the eastern Cincinnati conference signs on something like that with no off season. That's okay. Because the last seven weeks are filled conference foes and not everyone gets to play each other in the e C which I think if not a full ten weeks schedule, it will be filled very very close I know love lends not playing Lebanon that's one filled. I feel like they're not playing one of the new teams. Now, a little Miami's coming into Loveland and London goes to win woods for week ten. So like I said, I don't know how much that will pinball beginning back to the question from Jeff Beck it is a very interesting question. What to athletes to I don't know if I can fully answer that because I'm not an athlete I'm a guy with a microphone talking and answering questions and talk about local sports. It's a very interesting question I think law social media, a lot of video editing and train your own footage I. think that's going to be the big key for these recruits to get witnessed by division, one schools, and maybe division two division three schools come knocking. It's still the same sport. It's just for division two. It's less scholarship money and for division three, you can't get scholarships athletically academically yes. You can end division three, but you get where I'm going with that. So it's it's going to be an extreme situation to keep watch I. Mean Right now there's a lot of fear that the MLB won't get finished. I, mean like I mentioned the Marlins. Their seasons postponed Washington's offer next three days because there supposed to go to Miami and all but one of their players said, no, we're not going to Florida especially since that's one of the hotbeds the virus right now. So yeah it's GonNa be interesting. Thank you all to. The questions for Mallon's man bag. It was a lot of fun talking about it. Before we continue on with this unplanned episode of One Seventy Four. I like to tell you about red bubble. Folks do you like stickers? Sure you do what? 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A musical cue on a topic. What will you here next? I'm trying to add more transitions and everything to my podcast. So we'll see how that ends up about the way. These are all made with the free splash, APP available on Google play and the APP store in case you. WanNa. Make Your own beats. So, this topic is based off a conversation I had with someone in the laundromat on social media and that really got my gears turning just. Because there's so much stuff. I want to talk about you know how we can make. A. Great Sports City. So I WANNA. Thank. While the first off I like to think the star of the topic in Heart Merson they are located on fifth. Street in the Oregon district. If, you're looking for sports stuff. They have one shirt and it's one of my favorite ones actually they have to. But the one I bought was Dayton triangles shirt, and if you know any history about the NFL, you know that the Dayton triangles were one of the first teams and they played the first game that helped start the NFL. So yes, Dayton. Get the National Football League underway and that opponent was the Columbus panhandles. Panhandle panhandles, panhandlers? panhandlers murder make more sense but then again. Why is a team called the triangles? Well, it is the scariest shape out there ooh or something no, it's based on Triangle Park. That's where the dating called home. So heart merchantile cells that shirt and I think they go up to three X.. If you want visit them or their website, they also have a college sports shirt, which is one of my new favorite says while very soft shirts and you know if anyone asked me what college sports just call sports. So yeah, I got to shirts that day. So thank you too hard mercantile for all they do for you know the community and everything yes you might know them on social media they have this chalkboard, they'll write quotes and everything they pretty boss. They used to have a deal with the gem city Roller Derby team as well. They sell that stuff but at the time I went they weren't so. And now I want to thank the person responsible for giving me this conversation a Michael Galloway on twitter at Brown's rule four, zero seven. Four inspire me to make this episode. He listened to the latest edition of the PODCAST, which would that be one, seventy, three that makes sense. I think that was the one I just released and it was with trace fowler. Chatterbox sports go back and listen to it if you haven't. Yeah. We we had a conversation all through the time. I was at the LAUNDROMAT and we talk about Dayton dynamo soccer sports you know how? You know this podcast is great and everything how right state you know doesn't have a football team. We talked a little bit about everything on here and I have the. Conversation on my phone. So thank you. Michael for chatting up and being a fan of this podcast. He also mentioned about supporting it as messy can I'll tell you folks the best way to support his share it. You know word of word of mouth malfa word now word of mouth math awards on. Stupid. Word of mouth social media sharing telling people about its which I guess would be word of mouth again. Yeah if you feel like you liked by someone on red bubble or t public that'd be great I get a little bit back from commission but the same time you know just tell people that this podcast this and you know be listener. That's all I asked for. I like to start talking about this. Now, the first thing I mentioned. I thought the people donate for the field said, they would continue donations of right state started football team. I. Like this conversation Right State football. There's a lot of rumors I don't know which one's the truth. I mean there was a rumor that rights states football field would be were the beaver creek Meyer is on colonel. Glenn Highway. I. Heard that rumor I heard that Ervin. J Nutter Son got injured and paralyzed in a football accidents. I've heard I've heard a lot of things and like I mentioned. If they get football. Great advice stay done. Get Football. Great. I'm supporting my Alma Mater no no two ends about it but. Talk a little bit about that in the last Mallon's mail bag, and then we talked a little about the. Rivers and everything. And then he mentioned that I was the former broadcaster for Dynamo which was first year I was on Internet audio. The second year I was the only broadcaster as we made the move to Roger Glass Jeremy Lance was The video broadcaster the year, the Dynamo were at. Welcome Stadium and he was with the saints and again that's another good interview of which episode that is but anymore, I don't really tile by number tell them by who I interview. So go back and listen to that one that one's good too. Mentioned how the? What was it the forever package? That Dynamo Dynamo sailed. Sold even. have. No idea. Why May I Knowledge of English has gone but I apologize on that but we talk a little bit about that and it's very sad what happened just someone came in. Offered a lot of money became the majority leader of the team owner of the team, and that was kind of at that was the last thing we heard the dynamo as we kept engine closer to the. what was twenty eighteen season Not, a word and yeah, we didn't have dynamo soccer and we still don't and we probably won't have Dynamo. Soccer. Again. But. Yeah was a lifetime member were pretty much you pay this amount in your. You. Know you get to go to any dynamo game. You want for free and I know the owner David Saturday, put his heart and soul into that makes me sad he was a good guy. He is a good guy. He's still round he's in Cincinnati but. It. Just when the majority owner waved and that was kind of the end and that's when we had the radio silence and everything. So we talked a little about the Dynamo, we talked a little bit FC Cincinnati and. What they should do Foreign Academy while they have the academy going in Milford Oh. Sorry I said wrong meal for. Sorry It's state law that you have to pronounce that city like that. But talk about you know if FC gets a US L. team. There's the Cincinnati touchlines, Dayton Dutch lines, which there was someone involved with. All three at the time. But I don't fully know how that works in Dayton would be great for FC. Cincinnati to. I'd call it FC. Dayton. In hindsight I don't think I mentioned that in the conversation but that's what I do just because the fact that. You know Larry Hands and made a very good quote on my interview with him a while back. Dayton is not North Cincinnati which is very true. Dayton. has his own life and so I mean. I don't know if the average stay Tony. Knows about the. The funk history of the city and how music was important to Dayton Ohio USA most people don't know about the hockey history and how the gems point was such a dominant team for back to back. Turner Cups in the Seventies. and. I. Don't think people most people know about how we almost had an American hockey league team play in Dayton. Ohio if we had that downtown hockey arena built, it would have been the Dayton arrows and not the Houston aeros now the Iowa Wild. I mean Dayton Ohio is a very great place and people have those bumper stickers. If you think Dayton's great, you never been out of the state or something like that when but. Dayton is a great sports town autozone. And, yes, you can make the most fans are Cincinnati sports fans around here but Dayton has such easy access to other big markets. I mean you've got Indianapolis. Pittsburgh's couple hours away Cleveland's not too far. Detroit Toledo. Those type of things it's not just Cincinnati. You're not just locked into Cincinnati although this podcast is, but that's because you know my love of Dayton and Cincinnati. I know there's a ton of Cincinnati sports podcast out there but still no Dayton sports podcasts out there so Yea Me. But were talking about this, and I, want to talk about how we can make Dayton grow back into a sports city. One thing that struck me as why is there no sports? Shop. I mean, especially in the Oregon district I mean that's that's like a close knit family especially after the net pepper shootings last year I mean we had dating strong and the Dragon Stood A. Very large. Very. Large event for that where all the dragons came out and put white roses on home plate for all the nine folks that. died during that attack and. I I mean why? Why is there? Why isn't there anything like that for sports you know like? I mentioned Heart Merson to own. That's a great shop. I mean, the Oregon district has a lot of great shops in there. They have a goodwill. Across the streets that's also where the IHEARTMEDIA offices are. which they have a big Dayton strong banner on there. There's a great record store. Right by the train tracks I. Mean There's a lot of Nice things about the Oregon district. There is a building that's abandoned I believe. And I mentioned it to my wife as we were walking. Down East fifth. Were, saying you know that building needs a lot of work. There's a lot of paint chips. There's a lot of crackling pain. Everything needs a good blasting of the pressure washer mean why wouldn't that be a great place for sports something? Mean you think about it? Yes. I, know Dayton's never going to have a major league team or something like that. Sure. I'm fine with that. It's a great place without Major League sports, but it's great minor league seeing about Dana Ohio look at the dragons they beat the Portland Trailblazers for the most consecutive sellouts in any teams history I mean that's huge. So don't tell me that sports can't work in Dayton. Ohio 'cause they absolutely can. And I know the counter-argument is there is sports store shops in was Tuffy Brooks on Kiwi towards third. Street. Yeah but that's more like trophies and you know varsity letter jackets I'm talking about like. Why why isn't? There's shops like, Hey, we great hockey back in the day and you know. Celebrating the gems and Maybe not even the dragged the ducks. Let's see the triangles. Of course, a mention them I mean the. Dayton historical society. They do a nice job about that and I still have yet to see the first locked room that the triangles had. That first NFL game ever played I. Need to see that hopefully they haven't taken it down already, but you know I mean there's great soccer here the first rendition of the Dynamo. Think hair arena the move to another center when it opened in the nineties. I mean and we mentioned Dayton has a little something for everyone i. know my good friend Brian Re sees these past few years have been trying to start an Aussie football team, which if you never seen Australian rules football, do yourself a favor go watch a game. There's Cincinnati dockers down south. I used to practice in. Fairfield that was a very lovely feel. But now there's somewhere close to downtown which is really nice but. My main mention is, isn't sports more celebrate here. If you listen to the sports radio stations. Most of it is national stuff. You hear all the time, Blah Blah, Blah Blah, blah. Personally I can't listen to national talk radio host. It's just I mean they do a fine job and all, but it's like. I got social media for that and most of the time their opinions are outlandish and just plain ridiculous. And sometimes they're just playing ridiculous I'll add that to the mix as well but. I feel like. When you ask local Daytona in your average local. Daytona what sports are they'll probably pointing university dame flyers fine. It's a great. It's a great. Tradition sports and flyers. Men's basketball are pretty darn ace. You might gets right state raiders and the Dayton dragons that's kind of it. But. Really if you look at it I mean over then the Great High School Sports. History and everything I mean, why is that not celebrated as much and before you ask why won't I do something about it while you need money and do you think? I, have money. Yeah about that, I feel like. We can get the sports community together I I like the. To support groups of the MLS teams in Dayton, they do nice job they. Have watch watts parties further teams at Fifth Street per burly brewery. Even brewer lays right next door. But it yeah, that's that's just one sport and that's not. I mean it's Daytona Ian, but it's not like celebrating sports. I feel like. Was it. Then what was that the American outlaws chapter of Dayton that come out to dynamo our watch? Dynamo Games I welcome. In Roger Glass but you see I'm saying I mean there's a lack of unity for Dayton sports I mean. I know easier son done and once sports come back today no high. Oh, then you know it's easier to do, but I feel like. This. No. True Way to connect all the sports fans I mean if you're soccer fan, you're probably in one of those three groups I mentioned. Gem city massive. Hangar nine, three, seven for F- seasons, Natty, and again the AO chapter of dating. I mean. But other sports if you don't like soccer then. Are you really GonNa join them I I don't know you get what I'm saying it. So I created a loose plan about what we could do. To Rally Dayton and make it a sports market. Well, the first obvious answer is to build. If you build it, they will come that's off the movie field of dreams and I. Think I mentioned that to straight episodes in a row go made but. We're not getting sports back until we have an arena of such hair arenas close I. Don't think the noticed center will welcome anything like that back I mean. A couple years back, we were supposed to get the Dayton wolf pack in which would've been a national league indoor football team at another center and. I was in talks with them to become the broadcaster. Even PA announcer. But yeah, that didn't happen. I broke my heart because I thought that. That would done. Okay. Meet another center is huge. There's a ton of seats at the Notre Center but Indoor football's great I mean with the loss of hair you don't have that complex anymore unless you know. You're willing to. Build it. We Need New Hockey Barn a hockey arena to get in a minor league team. Soccer I? I like DOC stadium I liked that situation for Dayton Dutch lines, I think that's a perfect base there. But if you're talking USFL to, you might want to look at your own venue I. I mentioned to Michael That longtime ago. Rumors that the Dayton Dutch lions, we're going to build on the northeast corner of Yankee Nicic seventy five, which if you go by that, often you know a lot of trees. Also South you hospital cross away and date mall not too far either there's a lot of shopping to do around there. That be pretty nice place I mean most people drive six, seventy, five north or South, and they'll see it I mean, it's kind of Nice now again, this is suburbs not entirely Dayton Ohio. That Centerville or Miami's Park I think it's more Washington township but that's not important. We need a place to build. And I mentioned get together I feel like. Sports, fans there. I mean sure there's bars and everything, but there's not like one thing that unites all sports fans together. For me I I like any sports and I'll talk sports with anyone. You know this podcast exists. So there's proof that can. And the third point is be proud of Dayton like I mentioned Dayton has a lot going forward and yes, it's a little bit tarnished because downtown's all these places are shutting down while the Arcades building backup. That'd be a nice place for Sports Storm Hint hint out there. I mean fifth third. Fifth? Third. Field did a lot of great for downtown now at Stay Air Ballpark I mean that that area's very nice. I think something like that for another sport would be quite nice. But that goes back two point one you need to build a before they come so. But Yeah we can have sports as paradise here in Dayton Ohio. And I think we can get it done but we need everyone to group together and. Just, like sports loved in Ohio. You know it's not just the Gateway of America but you drive by it's like I. Heard of that I think they made flight there or something. So there you go. That's my whole take on its. Can Agree, disagree. I mean, you can have your own opinion on it. You can think I'm total wack job and saying no Dayton doesn't have any business being in sports. I mean I have the opinion that you're the job for saying that. But Hey, you know there's that. Just got a notification on my phone Antonio Brown suspended eight games. But he's not. With a team. Whether he signed. When that mean if he's not signed, he just spends eight weeks. Suspension, I, don't know on that. But yet Michael Thank you for the conversation he also mentioned turning the heat on the gem city jam Bro. Well the Jimmy Jam. Yes. It's Hornets Nest. Like attacking because of the fact I work at ud I work in right state I love my job. So therefore, I don't rock the boat don't WanNa. See Gem City Jam Comeback You betcha. Do I WANNA see Wright state and Dayton and everything they can again you betcha But I I normally keep quiet for that argument just because I don't WanNa rock the boat with my bosses. Either place because I like working at both places again but at the same time. Yeah, I mean I think it'd be great for him. I mean. Also mentioned that Dayton's names tarnished a little bit because you know the war on drugs and. It's gotten bad rounding Miami Township Miami's Berg. It's. It's not great and it's because. You have such. A massive access United States on seventy, five or seventy it's you know. But? Again that's my take and I think it would work great I. Love to see a sports shop in Dayton downtown. Dayton. Some like that. That celebrates the history of Dayton sports and hopefully maybe. Is the. Of A new sports generation here in Dayton Ohio USA. Hockey back I love see soccer keep up and maybe get USSL team again. If you don't know the Dayton Dutch. Lions were in the US L. Pro. I said, league two that's what the Dayton Dutch lions currently in. Silly me it's the US L. Now I beg your pardon. Yeah I like see another team in the US L. here in Dayton. But I think you need your own soccer stadium for that? Not just a high. School Stadium. Like. I said I liked stadium set up but. You can see that it's Wasp Carlton's so they go. That's my opinion I want to see sports succeed here in Dayton Ohio. So there we go. Again, you can agree you can disagree on me and Michael Left a very nice compliment about my podcast. Let's scroll. and. Yes I did talk about the gem city jam for seconds. Therefore, my scout's honor yearly talk about himse jam. So don't get in trouble and lose my jobs you a stipulation should be I get to announce it to broadcast it. Now that's that's you know you get what I'm saying. Michael Mentions that he's glad that we have your pod we need more sports talk here in Dayton and else apart me the best way he cam Michael I appreciate that mention and just listened to the podcast help people ballots. And if you have extra money look at t public or look at the. Red Bubble shops and no spread the word. That's the only thing I asked you don't have to spend money for my podcast. I, mean be cool. 'CAUSE I get back. But again, just spread the word and I agree we need more local sports talk in Dane. Ohio Of course right now. It is tough because you know Dana Ohio's normally got the dragons got the Dutch lions, men's and women's teams. There's a couple of collegiate summer baseball league teams going around but yeah. The coronavirus kind of shut everything down. and. It's a little tough to talk about sports when there are any to talk about. But nevermind that I like I mentioned I feel like. With the history that Dayton has sports and non sports like I mentioned you go back and look at just how big funk music and all types of music in Dayton. Ohio. It's huge. And I wish it was more of a thing that people knew about. Hack come from West Alexandria. Ohio. It's a little town of a thousand people. Once upon a time, they had a record company. There I know West Alex records and I think. I think my mom told me that one of the Ohio. Players came from west Alex. you know they sunk fire love roller coaster, and a bunch of other stuff I mean I love the Ohio players. And I think Muslim were out of Dayton so yeah. You can't tell me the Dayton Ohio isn't a great. American Tom You can't tell me that. Because then I just laughed your face. So Michael Thank you for supporting and your kind words in the conversation to help start up episode one, seventy, four, I I do appreciate it and I hope that. You Know You keep on listening to this podcast, and hopefully we can have more conversations to 'cause. That's one thing I miss on social media we talk about sports. and. Yeah it's it's been. It's been a tough quarantine since it all went down March. I mean, it looks like high school sports are going to happen. But you see you know like I mentioned Middletown said no fall sports. You see the G. Walk saying no non Conference Games. Wires it stop. I know the OH HSA as trying to push through and get fall sports. 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So one, seventy, four, I didn't realize we were getting very close to the one hour mark I was hoping this would be a fairly short episode but. Hey I like talking and hopefully you like hearing me talk so that we go. We're going to start off with the Cincinnati reds there in Detroit tonight to start a three-game series and Michigan and the I have a two and four record. Both wins have come from the arm of Sonny Gray who stymied the offense of the Tigers and the cubs. And the four losses all but one are off the bullpen faltering and that one is where the cubs jumped all over left-hander Wade Miley, who again is on the I l. and Anthony Di Sclafani is scheduled to make his first start in the year I believe. Z. GonNa go in Detroit or go at home against Cleveland. The latest ASARCO on reds. Dot Com is talking about Wade Miley. Going to the day I l list with a strained left Groin. Which match David Brel announce yesterday and said that Anthony. Right Hander will be activated and take mile lease turn in the rotation Sunday at Detroit, which could be a possible rubber match. We will see diesel phony misses for stop because of a mild strain of right terrace major. Yeah I'm not a doctor so you know. I presume that's muscle and let's replace bites hyler molly actually pitched pretty well. I'm happy. See I saw them pitch and Dayton amost stars I seen dating that get up to Cincinnati or converted to bullpen duty. Molly is not and I think tyler molly how stuff he can be a real good starter and be maybe as high as a three. Main Hey not everyone can be a one or two. So there's that. So Way Miley I. First game didn't go so. Hot. Struck out three gave up five earned runs six total on four hits. Two walks and two hit by pitches in one and two thirds innings on fifty seven pitches. Didn't feel one hundred percent didn't feel great during his last start. So that does explain the six runs and nearly two innings thing. Like I said I think he will rebound way Miley. Well, I mean the reds are GonNa, need him to the bullpen I. Really Hope. Really Hope bounces back I do like how Lucas says selden quite well, Tj antone he took over for way mile in that game and I think he only gave up the home run to wrestle and took a little bit of time to get. So yeah, TJ Antone. That's another former dragon solder I saw and I think he'll do. Fine Cincy. Yet to and four little disappointing. But then again, you look at the circumstances that. Well Shogo Yama was not well was not a leadoff batter for the first few games and then couple games he wasn't in the lineup at all. In you also had sins L. and Mike stock us who were being held out just because they might have had the corona virus. They didn't. They came back one game against the cubs won at twelve seven. Yes. They definitely helped out on that joey bottle is looking like primed Joey votto with very nice see. and. It's very nice to see people not complain the drawing walks. Oh my God walks. You know that means he's getting on base, right? I think that's important I mean, yes. Batting average is pretty much what you aim for if you're. Going to be in a major league lineup at the same time. They go I mean the auto is. is looking like his prime self and that is great to see. Give you a little preview on this series. The Tigers come in four and three. They took the series from the Cincinnati reds now host them for three at Comerica Park in Detroit Michigan. Your ways of listening on radio. It's seven hundred w. w. that's the big one. Tigers haven't at ninety seven point one in Detroit don't try the Columbus one because they probably won't have it. Are you watching on TV Fox Sports Ohio of Fox Sports Detroit's or if you're out of market Major League Baseball Network will have it. Interesting thing about not only the TV broadcasts with the radio broadcast. Keep Mine. This is done from Cincinnati. The series is at Detroit. So literally, it's they're feeding the feed back to Cincinnati and they commentator on that which I get it mean you don't want your broadcast again corona virus I totally get that so we'll. It'd be a little weird. But then again that whole artificial noise thing that's weird itself. People. Know the aren't allowed why not just have a quiet you know. But that's just me. Friday night. It's Lewis. Castio. He missed his last start last night. Due to the rain washing out game for of Cincinnati and the comes at home and Spencer Thome Bill. Turnbull. Excuse me. Spencer. Turnbull will go for Detroit Eight strikeouts in his first start in an era of a cool one point eighty custodio just eleven strikeouts an era of one point fifty. Yeah Castio. Pitched brilliantly. Outside of Miley, the starts have done a okay. I think that's going to be the biggest strength. The bullpen is still. The thing that I worry about but? There you go. So for the reds Shogo Akiyama will lead off. He'll be in left befall by first Baseman Joey votto a you Haniel Suarez, the third baseman goes. A little bit of a cold start for the normally hot hitting third baseman. But to RBI's to begin Mike Stock Spats in the cleanup spot is the second baseman swatting five hundred on the year nick. Castellanos skits the starting right batting fifth a three eighty, one average for the Ranch Jesse Winker D. H. Tonight batting six, center fielder. Nixon's Allen the seven whole fall by shortstop Freddy Galvez Tucker Barnhart batting ninth. So, that's your Friday lineup. I don't have a crystal ball to tell you what and Sundays are, but I can presume they'll be very close to that. If you wonder what the Tigers lineup is. Now Have Niko good room at short batting leadoff second Baseman Jonathan Scope is banning second former Baltimore Oil I. think he was was he brewer? Last year. Miguel. Cabrera. Will Bat third is the D. H. CJ krone is at first a former Los Angeles Angel. You Have Herald Castro at banning fifth victorious and right banning six left Feudal Christian Stewart Banning Seven Austin remind banning eighth to Catcher and fielder Jacoby Jones batting ninth again, this is all Fridays I can't tell you what Saturday and Sundays are because I. Don't have that information. Ron highers tigers. That's weird to say since his long tenure with the Minnesota twins against. David. Bell. Cincinnati reds. The reds have a good shots being keep to the lineup gets quality pitching again, but they need more runs or the bullpen really needs to lock it down. And I think if the reds Commanche, that's it'll be pretty fun but short year. We'll go over the schedule real quick again Cincinnati two and four. They are tied for fourth place with the Pittsburgh pirates and a half game back of two and three Saint Louis. For first place are the Chicago cubs at four in two and Milwaukee is three and three one game back of Chicago. Case you're wondering about the American league standings in the central. CLEVELAND. Leads all five and two. There are almost identical to the Cincinnati reds not by record mind you. But by team makeup good batting order Sol at five on the mound but the bullpen. You got the Minnesota twins foreign to Detroit is at third place half game back of Minnesota and one game back of. Cleveland at four and three Kansas City three and four Chicago White. SOX Two and four to round up the AL central. So. We look at the reds Tucker Barnhart coming back after the birth of his son, which is really cool to see. and. The reds will be back home. Let's flip the calendar to the next month because you know August is tomorrow. To home against Cleveland and then on the road for two at Cleveland and then on the road at three Milwaukee to have the first look at the. Newly Minted Milwaukee brewers look they're going back to the old classic. Glove logo except it's more Marin is it's a very sharp look I really like the job they did updating their logo, their jerseys and just everything. So the reds will be back home August third and fourth against Cleveland. And Back Home Office Eleven and twelve against Kansas. City and then for at home against the Pittsburgh pirates and then four more gains left in August three against the Chicago cubs and then one in August against the Saint Louis Cardinals. I like to tell you that you can get into the game but you kind of can't because. Oh. Yeah. Fans aren't allowed cardboard cutouts are allowed. I know there's some non cubs fans that are already made it cut out of Steve Bartman and putting him head down the left field line, which is pretty funny. There was one fan of a so loyal to Chicago White Sox. He bought a hundered cutouts of himself Saint Paul same everything. So that's Different. I Know Joey Votto The grounds crew. With. noisemakers. So I thought that was pretty outstanding as well. So yeah, I like I said, this is going to be very interesting year for Cincinnati I mean. Already a tenth. In the books one tenth of the season's already gone just like that. And Close Up Episode One, seventy, four we're going to be talking about FC, Cincinnati and the Columbus crew. Both teams getting new stadiums next year twenty twenty one FC Cincinnati course getting the West End Stadium. That took over the old star. Stadium Place and the Columbus crew are moving to the arena district. You'll probably be able to see it bright and shiny off of I six seventy or maybe even off I seventy I dunno haven't been down that a awhile but currently going on the MLS is back tournament it will go on until August eleventh however. TIMES UP ABOVE OHIO MLS, squads and both go the penalty kicks. That's a tough way to go both teams made it out of their group. FC Cincinnati did get that win against the New York Red Bulls which is very nice to see FC Cincinnati calmed down quite nicely after the four nil loss to Columbus, giving up four goals to h half and Columbus didn't allow goal until Minnesota United Struck early in that match at least I think they struck early think missile united scored in the nineteen th minute Columbus scored pretty light and then penalty kicks. So. Let's look at that brackets. Knockout stages meaning you lose your done. For. The tournament, of course, mls still trying to think of how to finish off the season I think they're trying to. Have least some regular season action but we will see it looks like after the MOS is back tournament they'll go out that bubble and they'll have home matches least that's what they're trying to do. So, we'll start off with the Columbus crew first, they took on Minnesota united and they fell. On peak as five to three, and that sets up Minnesota and San Jose. August I at eight eastern time you can watch on ESPN to. The crew. They. Fall on PK's but so do FC Cincinnati. Dow both teams drew one one butts in soccer. If you have to go to penalty kicks, you end in a draw, but then you know one team that when speak as moves on Portland Defeats FC, Cincinnati on PK's for two two and that sets up another August one match this time against. New York City F. C. And they'll be at ten thirty and this one is on F S One. T U D. N. or tsn which is the Canadian Espn Pretty Much T. U. D. N.. Have no idea what that is I know what? F S one is. New York City F seized coming off a three one win against Toronto. FC and San Jose took down Ray Salt Lake five to. Look at the highlights and recap on the cruise. PK LOSS TO MINNESOTA UNITED. It's nice see Minnesota united their first UNMOS. They've really struggled but they've bounced back nicely and that's Nice Sec- and I have hoped that it can have a for FC Cincinnati as well especially with their second and third matches in the losses back. Qualifying round. So looking now through adhere. Mentions the shootout results. But. Help of I have the box score on there. There it is. You have. Jose. Agia with one assist Robin low with the goal for Minnesota United for Columbus. It's your Cesar is with a goal on eighty three minutes also three shots on goal to lead all the teams. Ethan lay of Minnesota had two shots on goal to lead. The loons leave the loons But yeah, it's a tough way to go Andrew Tar Bell Made Three Saves and ninety minutes. Tyler Miller made four saves in ninety minutes. The crew did out shoot the loons twenty to twelve at five to four on target. And the cruel. So had five blocked shots out cornered Minnesota United five before that is getting corner kicks. And one yellow card on Columbus six hundred and eight passes for Columbus which. I mean as a staff. Wise. You know you don't say I made the most passes on my team Nanak. But in in the game of soccer, you need to pass a naval to move the ball forward. You can't just shoot it. You know wherever you want. I mean I've seen where? I it was in college and it was Butler University at alumni field against right state. Off The kickoff, they actually bounced into the goal. So but you don't see that very often. But yeah, that looks to be very Chris especially since the passing accuracy from Columbus was at eighty nine percent. I'm no soccer coach. So I can't tell you that's good or bad. But from broadcast standpoint I, say that's pretty good. When can complete nearly ninety percent of your passes For the loons of Minnesota United, they complete seventy, seven of their three, hundred, thirty, six total passes. Also, the crew dominate possession as well at sixty four and a half so. Yeah like I said. I hope that it's not the last match for the crew in two thousand twenty. Because I would like to see what Columbus can do the rest of the way. Now. Onto FC Cincinnati. Lowered up here remember to. Load the box score up. So we don't have about a minute of silence trying to figure things out. For. Portland in the timbers, they have Sebastian Blanco with one assist and they get the goal off the bench from. Yellow. Slava News Ghada News. Golda. Think. That's what it is. One goal on twenty six minutes for Euro Slob for FC. Cincinnati. They also get their go off the bench from European locadia eighteen minutes. One goal two shots on goal three on. Target Four FC. Cincinnati. That's name that's. Brazil slob Titan believe the goalie for FC. Cincinnati seven saves a ninety minutes. That save numbers a little high, but we got the stats and look at, but still seven saves elevate shots. That's pretty good Steve Clark on the oversight for Portland Four Saves and ninety minutes. With one goal allowed. So looking at the stats Portland Outshot FC since nine thousand, nine, hundred twelve got more on target eight to five and got more blocked shots five to two FC Cincinnati didn't get a corner but Portland got ten of them. Passing, wise both high numbers. FC Cincinnati tried four hundred, twenty four passes and completed eighty six percent of them. That's pretty good Portland on the five hundred one total passes ninety percent accuracy. That's very good possession. I. Thought It'd be a lot higher number for the timbers but it's Portland fifty five point six to Cincinnati's forty four point four, an FC Cincinnati fifty duels. Compared to thirty five Portland which I assumes the fifty fifty balls type of thing. So yeah. I mean FC Cincinnati, they're working hard but fell to the dreaded PK's both Ohio I'm a teams are out of the MLS is back tournament. And that will wrap up August eleventh but. I- outside the four nil loss FC Sna Cincinnati suffered to Columbus I'd say, maybe things are starting to look brighter for the new MLS team in southwest Ohio. For. The crew looks like they have a very, very solid kit as well. But again, we'll see if we have. Any more. MLS soccer go by. And lastly to wrap up this episode. I mentioned there's a new. Team in town, and in fact, the Germain car family bought out the controlling rights to the indoor football league. It's league I talk about. Occasionally I like the Iowa Barn stormers, elect their logo I liked their helmets and I like. Once upon a time, they have propellers down their legs as the stripe and Kurt Warner was par that Barnstorming, team. while. They have named the team in Columbus and making their debut and twenty twenty two. Are the Columbus Wild dogs. Though destroyers three point Oh. I mean I get why you to go back to destroyers just because that name has failed twice and people think it was Columbus fault. I want to say. Trying to think why the destroyers Failed the first time where they closed up shop. The second time was the afl just going under that was none of the sixteen fault. Looks like Albany is getting back, Albany? New. York. is getting back into the indoor football league. So that, that will be nice. Another new updates matt, Davidson's off the I l.. Matt Bowman's now on the forty five day I else don't expect to see the pitcher until very later on the season. And also. Way. My legs on the ten day I L as I mentioned. Can't believe about Antonio Brown being suspended for the first Games but then again, he's not on team so. He's not on team. How's he going to? Serve it. You know. Anyway. So the Columbus Wild dogs. And from the pictures on ten TV, that's a CBS affiliate in Central Ohio. The Jerseys Actually Look Pretty Darn Nice the front of the? Believe the home jerseys have the wild dogs tif on them like they're biting the shoulder and that's pretty cool look and they have sort of this camel look like Pale gold and dark olive green. Almost black. the logo is the wild dog looking center on it's not on the side of the helmets like most football helmets are so pretty nice helmets there. The last names are in red on the home jerseys the numbers are in black. So the same color as Home Jersey with Pale Gold Trim which. I if I'm broadcasting I need to see the numbers. So I don't know maybe it's just my eyesight Scott Wars over the years the away jerseys they have a lot of Pale gold on the shoulders and the numbers. It's almost like that. Star Trek Fund like the original Star Trek Font. I've seen on some. Softball jerseys that Loyola Chicago had when I was in college I, think the Charlotte Eagles when they were still a thing they had that font as well which I mean hey. It's unique same pants for Columbus when they're on the road same helmets. Different top. So I mean, that's that's pretty neat. I mean I like I like the uniqueness of the wild dog's name originally, I wasn't a big fan of it and I did want destroyers three point out just because I like that name and I liked the logo. And like I said, it's not the destroyers fault. That the AFL folded the AFL is having trouble for quite some time and It didn't work out, but there you go. It's the Columbus Wild dogs and that will wrap up episode one, Seventy four and a nice neat package that took. Over, an hour. Well it's a little bit of a long one. Next episode. We'll get back to another interview and our Creator series I just coined that term. But until then lays Jomon keep spread the word of the Cincinnati Dayton sports podcast where we actually talk local sports and we'll talk to you again episode one, Seventy Five. 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The Bettors Box MLB Betting Podcast April 29, 2019

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The Bettors Box MLB Betting Podcast April 29, 2019

"Once again everybody and thank you for joining me in the better spock's being the book dotcom. MLB bending podcast four Monday, April twenty ninth. I'm your host, Adam Burke this and every dish is a better spock's presented by our friends over at the sl sportsbook BTV and the number two hundred is that promo code one hundred percent deposit match was sportsbook up to five hundred dollars. One hundred percent deposit match bonus for the live casino up to five hundred dollars f-, bent. The sl. It's only a game until you bet as you know, we've got the Monday Thursday format here with the better vox today being Monday. We will have another edition of the Monday mail bag, you reach out to me with your questions at skating, dry pods on Twitter or Adam at bang, the book dotcom via Email also Adam at banged the book dotcom via Email if you want to sign up for the notes get on the mailing list here for the better spock's. 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News and information as you note, the Monday mailbag here today as I just mentioned, well, then we'll go beyond the box score. Take a look down the lines. Give you a pick for tonight's action and preview the week ahead. So let's go ahead and dive in with the Monday mail bag and again at skating, dry pods on Twitter or Adam at bang. Book dotcom via Email to submit your questions for the mailbag. We'll start with something very very easy. Here's our good, buddy. Rich laments sending one baseball question in one fun question to find out a little bit more about me. We'll start with that fun question here asking what's your favorite, non domesticated animal? And why and this one's pretty easy for me. I think snow leopards are absolutely adorable. They are my favorite nine domesticated animal on their sleek. But they're also adorable cute kinda solitary which I can be a lot of times as well. So I guess just sort of fits with me. They're also very allusive. You know, seeing them a whole lot not the sit. I'm some kind of shut in or anything like that. But you know with this job with working from home being in my office. All the time. You know, I don't know sorta feel a kinship I guess with snow leopards. But yeah, I mean, I it was wolves. When I was a kid. It's so leopards now any whatever it's just a pretty cool thing. And by the way, if you ever gonna chance to check out any of the planet earth net flicks. They are fantastic. I'm kind of an animal lover, I always have been my. Wife, and I in fact, have the entire set of animal spokes for anybody out there that read those as a kid the only one we're missing is number one because she lent it to somebody to borrow they never returned. It all them with the original covers to so just a random little note about me there. But I am kind of an animal lover bit of a softy. When it comes to our four legged friends or third friends that are out there in the world. But getting back to baseball here Richard asking me, what are your thoughts on the sacrifice bunt and this came about because the Astros did it in the sixth inning yesterday. I'll get to that in a second. But as a general rule, I hate sacrifice spots. Bunting is almost never the right tactical decision. Now, sometimes they will increase your chances of scoring one run. What they'll do is they'll decrease your chances of scoring multiple runs because you're actively giving up and now therefore in my estimation. I the only time to bunt is when you legitimately need one run. So it'd be a late game. Situation. I would never outside a pitcher hitting of course, advocate a bunt before the eighth inning. And really right now with the juice balls and with the relative level of success. The pitchers are having this year. I I'm more apt to just let them swing away too. But a lot of times a will decrease your win expectancy or it will have a very nominal impact on your chances of winning the game before the eighth inning. So the only time I would ever bought with any position player would be after the eight would be the eighth inning or later when you really only need one run in a lot of those instances, especially if you're playing for you know, the go ahead run ROY seeing a lot of bullpen meltdowns this season as well. So I just think it's sacrifice bunting. I just don't see a place for it really into days game. And when you look at it with regards to the sixth inning last night for the Astros Robinson Torino's straws a leadoff walk in a one nothing game. They the Astros were trailing one nothing. They have forty four point seven. Sent win expectancy with Torino on. I and nobody out getting their trailing one nothing. Tony. Kemp puts down a sacrifice bunt the win expectancy. This is all according to fan, graphs falls to forty one point eight percent. So that bunt decrease Houston chances of winning by almost three percent. So get a lot of times. Mathematically from a game theory standpoint sacrifice bunting is the wrong decision. It's one of those things are managers can't have a pretty big impact on the game. I don't like managers that believe in the sacrifice. Bunt is one of the things. I don't like about Terry Francona specifically. But when you look at this situation here in particular or run their only ties the game, you're better off swinging away. If you're totally Cup, and Furthermore he bumped into catcher into scoring position. Where one hit may not do the job you may need to hits to drive the catcher in and in this current environment for major league baseball. Where teams are not stringing hits together. A lotta times it's. A home run or walks or something like that. I get a really bad spot the bump the catcher into scoring position. If we look at actual data. This comes from baseball prospectus from the twenty nineteen season here so far which is now month old after yesterday's games. Went in the books with a run around. I and nobody out that run scores. Forty four point. Oh, six percent of the time with a runner on second and one out that run scores forty one point four percent of the time. So if you've got a runner on first with nobody out, and you want him to second base, your decreasing your run expectancy in that situation. You're expected value of scoring one run goes down. I would never want anybody from first to second not in today's strikeout heavy league. Now, if you have a runner on second with nobody out that run will score fifty eight point seven three percent of the time. If you bumped that run to third SUV a runner on third with one out that runs scored sixty point one six percent of the time. So that runs that runners already going to score fifty eight point seven percent of the time. You bought them over to third. You only increase your chances by less than one and a half percent of scoring that run up to sixty point one six percent. And that's because it's such a strikeout heavy league. So overall bunting which was already decreasing in importance has really taken a nosedive here over the last few seasons. Let's get this for let's try this on for size here. If you've been a runner on first with nobody out your expected number of runs is point nine two six eight if you ever want her on second with one out your expected number of runs this point five seven seven five if you ever want her on second with nobody out you're expected number of runs as one point one three one nine if you've got a runner on third with one out you're expected number of runs point nine one six four so in this current run environment. Major league baseball more. Often than not a sacrifice bunt won't help. You that much in terms of scoring one run and will decrease your expectancy of scoring multiple runs which again is not the objective. The objective is to score as many runs as possible. So more often than not bunting is a very very very very very very very bad decision. Get anytime eighth inning or later when you need one run either. It's put yourself in front or you know, maybe tie the game something like that by bunny guy for second or third. I would almost never bought from first to second. Because when you think about it, you bumped from first to second, especially if you've got a left handed hitter at the plate, you give up that hole on the left side of the infield. Because that guy's holding that run around at first he doesn't want that runner to steal to get into scoring position. You bought him over to second. Well, you don't have that spot anymore on the on the right side of the infield. So a lot of situations where bunting just doesn't make any sense. I think it's a stupid tactical decision. I don't think it makes sense at all really to do it from first to second. I don't think it makes any sense whatsoever to do it before the eighth inning. So those are my thoughts on sacrifice bunting Clark via Email asking at what point or at. What do you think it's worth taking the run line regarding the twins tonight? You can get them at plus one and a half around minus one ten I think if you get any underdog plus one and a half at plus money. I think that's a pretty decent. Look here. We had six hundred sixty eight one run games last year. So twenty seven and a half percent of the games from last regular season or decided by one run the favorites did win three hundred seventy one of those games. So underdogs did pretty well. One run games as well. Underdogs overall one eight hundred eighty one games last season. The run line was fifty four point nine percent for the favorite, but an average lineup minus one forty that was well below the break even percents that you would need in order to make money at fifty four point nine percent. So I'm not sure overall how. All of the math checks out something I haven't done a complete deep dive in. If you want to correlate it to the total where you've got, you know, plus one and a half at plus money or minus one oh, five minus one ten with a total of seven or seven and a half. Obviously that makes some sense because the expectation of a low scoring game with theoretically bring that plus one and a half into play more often. But I do think the plus one and a half plus money would, you know, decent teams as good look more often than not here in this case tonight, actually do like the twins straight up on the money line. Plus one and a half minus one ten is not a bad idea here in this situation. I don't really have a set point necessarily. But again twenty seven percent of games you're going to be one run games in an average season. And you're going to have underdogs winning those plus one and a half. Anyway. So there can be some value to it. Obviously, I wouldn't sprayed around the board all the time. But you know, the game is sort of predicated on underdogs having a chance and a lot of one run game. So I do think that there can be some spot opportunities to do it. And maybe tonight with the twins are could be one as well, Mark via Email here with some very kind words, noting that, you know, he watched action on Showtime, and, you know, mentioned Vegas, Dave. And and some of the other people that are out there in this industry. You know that that do pick selling and don't give out. Nearly the information that I do for free overpaying, the book dot com, Mark gave me some promises and thanks for that. So Mark I really appreciate that says let me tap into that free keg of knowledge for your thoughts and insights on first inning betting. Do you see any edges to take advantage of? And this is a really interesting question. I had to do a lot of digging back to last season when I talked about these things because I noticed that dating back to two thousand nine the first inning was the highest scoring in it. And those were from the notes I talked about last year on April twelfth that dating back to two thousand nine the first inning had been the highest scoring inning. So lot of people do like the bet those. Yes, or no I ending props. When you look at this season. The first inning of the first nine innings of a game actually ranks sixth in number of runs scored. The game is changing quite a bit in particular with the opener concept, which obviously Tampa Bay has implemented a lot just for whatever reason here teams just not doing as much damage in the first thing this year in terms of run scoring by inning. It's the third inning the seventh inning the eighth inning the six the fourth the first the fifth the second and the ninth. Which is really interesting to me. The third inning makes sense. Because that's what started turns the lineup over for the second time. A lot of times we've seen the third and fourth innings be very high scoring also the fifth and sixth innings the fifth inning not high scoring at all here which implies to me that this season. We're seeing a lot more aggressiveness for managers. Polling starters out of the fifth inning in order to get those relievers out there. So this is a clear cut sign of how the game is changing. What's also interesting to me is that the seventh and the eighth innings are the second and third highest scoring innings this season. So bullpen are not performing well this year. That's definitely had an impact on me a couple of different areas with Moneyline plays. I playing a lot more I five this year. And obviously, you know, if the bullpens aren't getting the job done that's going to increase scoring in the late innings, which is going to push some games over the total as what so I'm not really sure how to handle the first inning here this year. Again, it's six and run scoring. And also six the number of home runs last year on April twelfth when I discussed this. There were twenty seven excuse me, thirty seven more first-inning runs than any other any there were two hundred twenty seven I inning runs as of April twelfth this year. We've got four hundred twenty nine first-inning runs as of April twenty ninth. So first ending scoring his down. It has not been as great of an impact, which is very very interesting to me. So Mark, I'm glad you asked this question on again, also seeing it a sixth seventh and eighth innings or the top four of run-scoring innings. The sixth makes sense with pitchers during the lineup over a third time or in some instances a fourth time. But the seventh and eighth inning just shows how poorly bullpens here so far this season. Which is something that I'm not really sure what just when I can make for a betting standpoint. But it is extremely interesting to say the least. And by the way, of course, as we see here, you'll the fourth and the sixth innings that time so. Through the order penalty can be good live betting opportunity for you out. There. Also, Mark adding here, do you think that some of the ER a fifth exit line moves have moved more to the first five market rather than the full game. I certainly think that's the case. But I also think that we're probably not seeing as many of those moves because we're seeing a greater reluctance to go off of last season statistics a lot of pitchers adding pitches subtracting pitches. Changing their pitch usage stuff like that. I think that maybe the previous season's data just doesn't hold nearly as much water as it has in past years with guys making adjustments and stuff like that. So I think as we get increased sample sizes here, we'll see those e r a v at exit moves come back around in the months of band June. We've got a little bit less arbitrage, a little more, you know, people taking positions to look to fade guys sample sizes get larger so that is something I would expect to see here over the next several weeks as we get started after on thirty forty fifty innings stuff. Like that. We've got maybe. A little bit better over Nigeria on what they have to bring to the table Brian via Email ask syrup seems hockey players are known to be pretty superstitious. Do you have any betting superstitions? I as a follow up. What are some of the weirdest and funniest superstitions? You've ever heard in sports or life in general. I don't have a ton of superstitions. I mean, I I mentioned this in my write up a few weeks ago that you know, back in two thousand seven when the unions are making their playoff run. And I was in college. I shave after losses sort of, you know, wipe the sleep what the slate clean something like that. Really the only thing I'll do is. You know, if I have a good day like Friday, I had a good day going three, and I'll I'll listen to the same artist or album on Spotify that day when I'm writing the article, I always have music playing when I'm working. It's just background noise. More often than not always have some kind of artists playing on my computer. So if I have a good day you all start the day with that artist. Again, the others. I that you know, we're the superstitions. I've heard are seen, you know. Wade Boggs eating chicken before every game. Wayne Gretzky used to put baby powder on his stick saying, you know, you gotta take care of the things you love stuff like that. Nothing outlandish or out of the ordinary. But I know that there are a lot of quirky guys that are out. There are a lot of times like pitchers won't sign autographs days that they pitch stuff like that just different things. I don't have any personally. And I haven't heard her seen too many from friends of mine, but obviously there are plenty out there, and I'm sure Google search will yield a lot of different things. A couple more questions here for the Monday mail bag. These two from chainsaw via Email says what's your take on the hot hand debate? Then obviously the hot hand to be. It would be a handicap or is hot. That's what it's a good time to buy in some people believe in a handicapper is cold. It's a good time to buy in because things are going to change. I think from a confidence standpoint it ten matter a little bit. I think it's more of a sub-conscious type of thing because I've got off to a very very bad start to this baseball season when my picks and tips article and it's been exceptionally frustrating. It's been maddening. It's really weighed on me a lot mentally physically and emotionally here this year. And it's one of those things where you know. I write up the article I list a pick. I post it. And I have a sick feeling in the pit on my stomach just wondering how is this pick going the lose? I think a lot of times about like shooters with a heat check, you know, something like that if they're hot, and they're feeling it. They're not thinking about anything, you know, they're just shooting. They're not. Ted stop thinking home. I gonna miss this shot. They're focused isn't somewhere else. They're focuses. Just you know, the muscle memory is going through what they know works for them. So I think in that regard, maybe the hot hand BA debate does kind of stand out maybe more may sub-conscious type of way where you're just doing. What feels natural? You're just doing what feels normal as opposed to, you know, just thinking the worst wondering, you know. How's this going to go wrong? This time, you know. And that is something that I've kind of struggled with a little bit. And that sort of leads to chainsaws follow up question here of during the brutal stretch to begin the baseball season, whichever gambler has at some point what we're some of the words of wisdom or advice giving you by your peers who've been doing this for a long time. And you know, I talked to Parker Michaels about it. Our NHL guy overpaying the book dot com, and it was like, look, you know, I know that you're tracking for the first time publicly this year. And he goes don't look at that. Don't look at the results even. Tabulate the results for me you'll because a lot of times you cert- worrying about the results. You start getting obsessed about that. And it may cause you the chase. Or it may cause you to widen your requirements for what makes the cut at that point. If you're being a little bit irresponsible with your handicapping, you end up digging the hole deeper, and you may end up hurting yourself, even more. So he just sort of advised me to stick with the process that I know is worked for me. You know, it's early season. Barry ads if you if you believe in your process if you make the right adjustments. Those results will come back if you dwell on them. Well, you you may do some things that are even more in the long term. And that was some advice that was really really helpful to me. I'm still handling the spreadsheet myself despite his his offer. But you know, I agree. I mean, it's one of those things where if you're just looking at the results, you think about you start pressing if you're a hitter in your to thirty two for your last thirty four you start pressing. Gripping the bat a little bit tighter. You know thing feels natural. You don't have any confidence up there in the better spot or the batter's box excuse me. And that's been a thing for me here where I've had very little confidence. And like I said, it is weighed on me emotionally is weighed on me physically is weighed on me, mentally, and it's been a real struggle because I've never gotten off to a start this bat. Come I had stretches that were this bad? I'm sure I have. But not at the beginning. When you're sitting there looking at your results, and you're seeing what the am I going to do about this? And so that's one of the biggest things I think for me is that, you know, this is a results based business, and I fully understand that. But one of the things that we've always tried to do on banged the book radio or in the write ups over bang, book dot com is we've always tried to set you up with the process because I'm a big believer in a process that works for you getting closing line value getting out there for the market. Those things are going to help you, you know, the results come and go there's so much variance in the results. But if you've got the right process in the right mindset, then it's something that should work out for you. And we've always preached that here. And I always have to force myself to remember that during this baseball season just because the results have gotten off to such a bad start. So that's the thing. You know, make sure that you're making bets that you can justify make sure that you're making bets that you would make again, make sure that you're going through your process that you're evaluating all the information. That's out there that you're taking advantage. All of the different resources that are there and the results should come. Hopefully for me the results do start to come. That would be very very nice, obviously and turning over the month of may, you know, hopefully, be something that benefits made. But again, I mean, this is such a marathon type of thing you always small sample size. You could be up thirty percent. You could be down thirty percent. It's where you are at the end of all of it yet, you really want to focus on so trying to keep the big picture in mind is is very important vice that I've been given here with this low start to the season, right? Let's go beyond the box for here. Let's start with that Indians and Astros series in the Astros did split that series. The unions are not making a whole lot of hard contact here this season, they did wind up with thirty one batted balls of ninety five plus miles per hour. They got better over the course of the weekend. I watch does make sense. I mean, you know, Jose Ramirez is starting to see a little bit better Francisco Lindor back in the lineup. Carlos Gonzales, you'll getting his feet under him. So those being a little bit of sensitive Indians should get a little bit better day by. Day by day. We have the Astros. They only had thirty three bedded balls of ninety five plus miles per hour. After having twelve of them in the first game on Thursday night. They had eleven of them alone off Trevor Bauer they were two for eleven on that high-velocity contact. They were thirteen for thirty three overall. The Indians were sixteen for thirty one Indians hit three home runs under ninety five miles per hour. Exit velocity there were twenty one to that point on then they hit three of them here in this series. Then they're not hitting for power. They're not hitting a lot of high-quality contact. Not a lotta high-velocity contact. I do wonder how long they can keep this all up now that being said the offense should get a little bit better as it moved forward. Here. You know, as they get some more, for instance, Galindo or plate appearances as they get some guys, you know, back in the swing of things they should get a little bit better. But right now, this offense is pretty bad. They're heading down to Miami this week. I think both of those games are under candidates. You know, it's just not good. Offensive team right now. They're lucky to be where they are truthfully. With the starting pitching with how. Well, the bullpen is performed Eidos. I was watching the Astros in this series. There are really really good team. But you know, again, I mean, it's one of those things where they're very right handed heavy, you know, they're going to have to burn out some of their relievers that are pitching really well because they've got some guys in the bullpen right now. They just are not getting the job done on a regular basis. Krista Penske lot a lot of hard contact. Josh James is completely unusable will Harris has been very inconsistent there at the burn out Ryan Presley intervertebral Zuniga here during the regular or assume during the regular season if they get challenged in the west right now there are no challenges for them. But in watching them here in this series. I I'm finding that. Maybe there are some spots that we can look to go against them. Hopefully and use those to our advantage here as the season goes along speaking of high velocity contact how about the New York Yankees in that series against the giants. They had. Fifty two batted balls of ninety five plus miles per in that series against the giants. Plus Thursday's game against the Anaheim angels, fifty two bad balls of ninety five plus miles per hour. They wind up sweeping the giants. The giants only had twenty five of them Yankees. Twenty four runs in those three games. Six and one on this trip going to two pitchers parks. And they've scored at least five runs in every game. I don't know. How the hell? They're doing it with this. Patchwork lineup full of journeymen and call ups, but you'll they're they're just they're getting it done. And it's been very impressive to see their pitchers have done really well in these favorable pitchers parks, also kudos to them. You know? I mean, it's just not something that anybody expected with all the injuries that they had, but they've been very very good offensively here on this road trip. They're off today. There'll be an Zona tomorrow the Rockies took two out of three from the Atlanta Braves Rockies with forty one at bats with a runner and skirmishing in this series. The offense has gotten a going as I predicted. Of course, I was. Wasn't too involved in this series. I wish I would have been there were a bullpen ball away from sweep but the Braves offense also very good unders they're going to be so scary this year just overall it'll bullpen blow ups so many of those offenses just league wide seem to be doing so much better. Both of these offenses showed up pretty well in this Rockies and Bram series. But the rocky is getting really the big takeaway there is that I predicted that they would come around off -fensive -ly. They did I wish I would have been more involved with some overs wish to play that John gray might Fulton avenue over. But again, this is another one of those examples where even the teams that are doing really bad will eventually regress toward the league average, the Rockies were one of them here. And they're starting to have a lot more success on their high-velocity contact and just in general holds its run. A Blue Jays sweeping the Oakland A's here. Speaking of a bullpen blow up a huge one for Blake training in yesterday's game. For Oakland, the J's still look like a faint him though. That's my primary takeaway from this. Is there a low on base percentage lineup? They high batting average on balls in play with Roberson storm position. I there could be some fool's gold. So to speak in their prices in the short term, they get that sweep of Oakland and Oakland team that on paper looks really strong, but they're not playing well right now at all whatsoever. The black grow junior call up Stroman pitching, really well Sanchez shutting down the as again, I think we can fade Toronto here in the near future. I think I will look to do that here this week probably on into next week as well. Looking for opportunities to go against the Blue Jays? Because I don't think they're nearly as good as they're playing right now. And we're going to have some very good opportunities to go against them in the near future with some recency bias leaking into the market with their prices are thinking look down the lines here. Talking about the line moves dating back to Friday with some extra money come in. He went up twenty five or more sense against the Padres. Good dog winner here for the Padres backers. We were on Washington, minus half a run for the first five that. Came through then they gave up the lead. And then eventually lost the game late. It's hard to fade the Padres for the full game because that bullpen is just so strong. So so strong you get the Padres at big dog prices here for the full game. They may be worth some investment just because their bullpen will protect the lead. If they get one and keep it close if they don't have one. So that will give their offense an opportunity against the bullpens that are out there guys. I just mentioned a lot of bad bullpens out there in baseball right now. So the Padre is at inflated big balloon prices as an underdog maybe worth playing because their bullpen is going to be better than the opposition bullpen in just about every game that they play with the way that things look right now. So I'm gonna thirty cent move against Collin McHugh in the Indians Astros game there on Friday. It seemed like a high number of the unions didn't get water respect in the opening lines throughout that series money came in on them in the power game on them in the kluber game on I'm in the crass, go Miley game. On Sunday night on this has to do with the fact that their offense grades so poorly that they probably didn't deserve the effect against Houston. Now, we'll see how things look going forward here for them as they start playing some lesser competition. Once again. The royals took money on Friday, and they've been taking quite a bit of money here. Lately. I'm not looking to back the royals in any context, but they've been taking some funds here in recent weeks. Saw a big move against the Mariners, and you say Kukuchi, and that was one where I think the oddsmakers fell asleep a little bit. I didn't write about this game. I had something to get to Friday late morning around lunchtime. So I didn't touch on this game either. I wish I would have several was aware of it. But Kuchis going to be scheduled for some one inning starts here over the course of the season. The Mariners want to lower and limit his workload. Because it's much more strenuous schedule than being over in Japan the difference. They wanna keep him on his regular turn. So could coochie in that game only through nine pitches. Struck out two batters that was it for his day Justice Sheffield came and gave up I think three or four runs over three and two thirds or something like that uh. So that was one where who she was only going to pitch one inning. Then it was going to be a bullpen game for the Mariners and. You know, they didn't really have much success with their bullpen over the weekend by any means. So that was an interesting one there where they did pick up the win of a Kukuchi only through one inning and the market. Pour it in on the Rangers and probably deservedly so Saturday, we saw Fayed of Dakota Hudson and the cardinals I should see reds money fairly regularly here in the short term this offense. Cannot be this bad for this much longer. They're doing awful on balls in play off on high-velocity contact. They should get some more opportunities. They dry, you know, draw high number of walks. They do have some guys at the top of the order to to draw some walks. I read should get better here on federally in the near term and money came in on them against the coda Hudson on Saturday sun other angels opener to script the market on Saturday. Angels keep doing that with the openers. And eventually we're not even going to get over night lines with the angels. And who knows I mean, they're not even announcing these early like Ryan standing in the race or something like that. They're just announcing it mid afternoon. They weren't supposed to be able to do this with what's going on with major league baseball and its partnerships regarding sports gambling, but they are still doing it. So, you know, I know their opener there on Saturday, and we'll see if they keep using this opener concept as they go forward foot favorite between the Rangers and the Mariners that was the right call that was Mike leake on the hill for the Mariners. He's awful t mobile parks playing pretty small as well on the Rangers hammering the Mariners here on Saturday and Sunday, as you know, they got the offense going a little bit there. It's Mike leake then on Erik Swanson on Sunday so money coming on Jay happen. A good road park on Saturday. The giants that makes sense half as a very good guy and good road parks. We'll see how he fares the Anki stadium. As we go forward here Sunday with us a Padres money on joy Lucchessi they got bet into favorites. It's the Washington nationals Jeremy heloc sin that was one where the nationals actually did outlast. The Padres there in the late innings. So a little bit of a sale fade for Boston and Tampa Bay game on Sunday sale was better still wasn't great though. I was still money. That void once again on Sunday that just keeps happening over and over again, so I- fade of Wade Miley on Sunday night baseball game. That's the thing that's been happening with frequency as well with money coming in against Wade Miley and the Astros in his starts. I'd Monday here. We're seeing some cardinals money hit the board against Patrick Corbin in the Washington nationals. That's interesting to me. The cardinals don't hit lefties. They haven't hit lefties for a long time. Michael Walker has been very up and down this year. Interesting line move. There are a lot of people out there that don't trust the nationals. I'm among them. I don't trust their bullpen either. So you'll for some full games. We probably will keep seeing money come in against Washington. I didn't take it today. All but a pretty interesting one there sue the Braves getting bet into a bigger favored against the Padres. That's Nick, Margaret vicious and Mike sirocco sarokin getting that buzzsaw money coming on him last week. Also, the Padres taking on tough righty, not really a great spot for them. So the Milwaukee line move down. Now, it's come back up with some buyback out there. That's Freeland going. Against Zach Davies and that one free and coming off the DL Headey blood Worcester under his broken fingernail. Are they took care of that? Now, he's making the start here tonight against the walkie. And this is one of those win. Milwaukee faces a left-handed pitcher at home money will come in on the brewers. I'm not too worried about it in particular here today because Kyle Freeland not your average run of the mill lefty. But we'll be thing that we do see much like we see Oakland money come in when they left the at home my pick for Monday night gonna throw a big old dog. At you. Hear the Minnesota Twins over the Houston Astros Astros, going from more into much cool, Minneapolis, I got a shock system here. And also, look we're talking about trying to find situational spots in baseball. I think this is one Houston goes from playing the Indians in a long four-game series lot of trash talk a lot of high level baseball. Then they go and take on the twins and the twins are a very hot team here over the last two weeks. They've hit the most home runs in base. Football. The offense has gotten going as the weather has gotten better. I didn't Houston overlooks Minnesota a little bit in this series. They fared pretty decent against them at home last week. I overlook them in this series. And specifically tonight Minnesota hitting home runs. I mentioned the one knock on just Overlander is the long ball. I it's a good spot here for the Minnesota Twins as a big dog at home with Jake odor, easy on the mound outside their at target field. I'll take the twins tonight in the plus one fifty five range against the Houston Astros aren't. So what am I looking at here for the week ahead? Well, let's start up in Beantown where the as take on the Red Sox the as offense in the tank lately bullpens very inconsistent Red Sox can't get their offense going. Let's see if they do it here in this series frigging montage and Wordell Rodriguez tonight. Aaron Brooks Rick Portillo tomorrow. Mike fires and Hector Velazquez on Wednesday. I think it's a good chance for the Red Sox to get that off. Going. I've been talking about looking for spots to play on the Red Sox. I went the over in the article tonight and taking on Aaron Brooks and Mike fires a Mike. Fires guy who's been awful on the road this season and really throughout most of his career awesome. Good chances for the Red Sox here. I this could be that offense at breakout. Four Boston in this series can have a piece of the over tonight. We'll see what Tuesday and Wednesday haven't sore for us the Astros and the twins. I mentioned Justin real energy, go Torrisi tonight. Garrett Cole Michael Pineda tomorrow columnist you Martine Peres on Wednesday. Brad peacock Jose Barea on Thursday back toback four game series here for Houston. You I think I like Minnesota a little bit in this series possibly take a look at them before the series price, which wouldn't encompass all four games only the first three games here. But they got to collect some data last week against Houston and the twins are very Progressive Front office. Now, I ain't new emphasis on data could lead to good things for them in this series. And as this season goes along I that has something to do with how their offense has perked up a little bit to the weather certainly has had an impact, but I just twins team. Just get smarter their pitchers get smarter and more efficient as the season goes along. I don't think we talk enough about how good this. Minnesota offense is their third and winning on base average against right handed pitching. They get four of them in this series their top five against lefties as well. I like this twins offense, a substantial amount. They're probably going to end up being the team to beat Yale central this year. I'm gonna go ahead and make that call now. I love the Indians. I love the starting staff. The bullpen will get much better as the season goes along because of all the reinforcements they have in the bullpen. I just don't know when this offense is going to wake up and the twins. I think will progressively get better as the year goes along I love their offense. I liked them here in this series against the Astros should be able to get a good good plus money price on them for the first three games here in this. Series, especially dating on ver- Lander end Garrett Cole, and I wasn't overly impressed with Garrett. Cole and his start there on Thursday night. Not great control with the fastball. Kind of overthrowing a little bit felt like maybe he's a little bit vulnerable here in this start as he goes outside against the twins. I don't know. But I think that one may be worth taking that big plus money price on Minnesota for the first three games of this series here. The Rockies in the brewers. Kyle Freeman Zach Davies tonight her mind Marquez euless Jostein on Tuesday Antonio sends a Tele Tyler Judaic chase eight or sent on Wednesday, John gray, Brandon Woodruff on Thursday, Miller parks playing real small this year over eleven runs per game. In the fourteen games here at Miller park, the Rockies offense has gotten back on track. The brewers offense has stalled out a little bit Christian yelich leaving neck in yesterday with the back this comfort Craig counsel said he was gonna sit tonight. We'll see if that becomes a multiple day thing it probably should with how he's carrying the offense. But. That'll be something forty to keep in mind on Tuesday night, where marquess should take money. I would get out in front of that line move there and take her on marquess on the overnights. The market does not like you a stressing and also of Christian yelich is not in the lineup for the brewers. That lines went to move even more throughout the day. So I would grab her on marquess tonight on the overnights expect that line to move down. If yellow says out that line will move down even further I we couldn't have some line value there on Marquez in that start against the brewers. The Padres in the Braves here Padres few was number appliances with the runner in scoring position this season. So that's why they had so many problems here in the first five Nick, Margaret vicious, Mike sarokin tonight. Chris paddock Julio Toronto. Tomorrow match Strommen max freed on Wednesday. Eric lower Mike Fulton Ebbets on Thursday. These matchups aren't as bad for the first five for the Padres. As they usually are maybe they can get to Tehran on Tuesday. Lefty on Wednesday, which should benefit them and might Fulton evidence with his second start back on Thursday. I would could see some runs in this series in particular in the first five, obviously, the Padres bullpen is something you don't wanna f with too much. But I think we could see some runs here in the early going of this series. Finally, a handful of other regression or fame. Take a look at here. John Lester in Seattle on Wednesday. I would be stunned if I don't have a mariner sticking on Wednesday. That's John les. They're going up against Marco Gonzalez extra hitter in the lineup for Seattle wanna good right handed bats at the top. I guess a good spot to fade John Lester on Wednesday. Also the reds and Mets over Tuesday. Could be interesting to me here. At least Casteel. I think is a little bit of a fade candidate. Now. I think he's a little overpriced a little overrated. Mets have a pretty decent lineup. Not a great hitter's park, obviously. But that should keep this total down can the reds hit. Jason Vargas is the question. The reds have to hit somebody here at some point there too talented of an offense to keep. What they're doing. So maybe the Rams Mets over in. Tomorrow's article could wind up being a play for me. Well, have a Kentucky Derby show, either Tuesday or Wednesday here this week with Brian blessing. Also talking about the Kentucky oaks in some of the other races on the card that also be back on Thursday. 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Ep. 40: Mental Resets and Cubs Brewers Defects

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Ep. 40: Mental Resets and Cubs Brewers Defects

"Well to welcome to the new best rivalry in baseball. Hello again baseball fans. Welcome back to the ninety miles podcast ninety miles from miller park to wrigley field. We talk nothing but cubs versus brewers and how much we hate the cardinals. That's a pretty common theme these days i think when she say so ri- yeah that's a very very common ryan's the cubs fan so yes sir half a game back. You're awfully chipper for <hes> the brewers being three and a half back well. I've i've i've kind of reset some things li and i'm i'm in a really good head space well. That's that's good. That's good because the drugs help a lot. The right i mean in the end it doesn't have the podcast if if <hes> you know you get too upset about the brewers and and <hes> disappear here i had a <hes>. I had a rough week. I wasn't very chipper on twitter. I wasn't very friendly pretty quiet too. I think to your favorite cub cub fan out there. That's always on my case about everything. That's good really apologies. Just more of like i just did not have the energy to keep fighting it right now. <hes> the brewers had a tough road trip. They went to and four could have been worse. It could have been much worse <hes> but yeah that was depressing. <hes> and i've been working long hours like i had a total life changing engine job change and it's actually really awesome but <hes> that's why i'm in a good mood today. We're recording on a saturday. Normally we do it on a friday a little shift there so maybe that's part of it a to get some sleep that helps yeah. You sound pretty chipper for a guy that <hes> represents the cubs who are behind the cardinals. I'm not happy about that i but i i'm not unhappy about the cubs in some ways in some ways i mean there's i feel like there's still definitely hope there whereas you on the other hand may may not feel so much hope got a i got hope is a different thing. It's a very powerful thing and <hes> my hope is different now. It's not what it was say. If we went back to you know when we were predicting preseason rate we started this show in february and we really are thankful. You're here in listening and we hope you're enjoying it and hanging with us the whole season listen and brewers fans toughen it out with me a he. I feel your pain but <hes> at the beginning of the season. I think it was episode six or so we started making some predictions on and what we thought was going to happen and i have you know i've come to the point where i have to admit to myself that those expectations can't can't be met and it's not because of anything well. Do you wanna play that now. Let's piggyback we were we thought okay. Let's let's take a look at our expectations now and let's look back. We we thought we would jump back an older. We found a little bit a little clip. I've been episode six. This is for march twentieth and we talked briefly about some expectations we have about our teams <hes> obviously more on the optimistic optimistic side and and we had every reason to be cloud of yours we had the two best teams in the national league last year outside of the dodgers dodgers arguably certainly the best regular season teams well here. Let's play the clip and then <hes> let's <hes>. Let's talk about it so here. We go okay okay. We'll have winning the division. I think it's pretty obvious everybody knows well of course of course the cubs and of course i have the brewers because we're a little bit homers but i actually believe this is the burs division to lose yeah. Yeah okay so so well you. You should know about canabal. All this is mar. We recorded this march twentieth and it was march. Well look that march twenty nine th right march twenty ninth i believe is when it was announced that he was going to opt for tommy john's so it was it was a i did not know about can able at the time. I said you know he's division to lose and i'll give you that's that's fair because that's that was a big blow and and certainly turned out to be. I know obviously initially i think you you felt josh hader and and you know awesome others could carry the weight there right but <hes> yeah well canadian hater i if you look at how the brewers finished last season they had a lights out bullpen and that's why they made had such a strong push were good powell year. They were absolutely lights out <hes> yeah so losing corey nabl as you know. He had some struggles last year but he worked through them. <hes> came back around and was very very effective in the second half of that season in fact <hes> if i'm looking at it correctly right now. Where is his war from last year. <hes> wins above replacement his career. War is four point three i think last year is when he earned a kind of a majority jordy of that <hes>. I'm not seeing it right in front of me at the moment but with corey can able on the back end of this bullpen you've got i would say probably two or three more wins for the brewers. I think that's fairly safe to say that there are three and a half games back right now right so there's one blow and it's one one that they had time to try and address but by the time you're talking end of march. That's not a lot of time to address it because the free agency period for the most part part has been taken up. It's done guys have already pitchers and catchers reported the seasons basically underway so there's not a lot of dudes left on the street read that are capable of performing at a level of cork able. Was that really seals up the back into your bullpen yeah. They couldn't address it and failed to address it properly at the trade deadline. I'm not sure are they could <hes> go ahead. You had something to say there. I just i just love could able and it looks like every two thousand seventeen was was he got three point seven that would be as best year yeah and then he got point three and eighteen he he did have a three point. Five eighty are a eighteen so there were some struggles there <hes> <hes> change the whole bullpen. Yeah yeah change belt bullpen. I think what he did was. He put josh hater in ideal position. <hes> <hes> yes in the bullpen so his usage was more effective than than they're able to do this year. <hes> you know with higher higher seer zere quote you know having to close and you know different different usage yeah yeah. It's an air leverage still i. There's nothing wrong with josh hater. He's having some struggles but i think the last time i looked era is still three point zero two for the season so he has he struggled lately. Yes is this the worst year career it is right so there's another reason yeah it is so far and i'm not denying that but it's also like it's not he hasn't been. He hasn't been as horrible horrible as everybody's making him out to be. It's just been what you would probably consider a slump of her. A hitter <hes> were at with josh hater okay <hes> but what i had to do mentally let's go back to the beginning as those were our expectations for the cubs and it's the brewers division to lose is what he said yeah and they've they've done a really bang-up job of finding all kinds of fresh ways to run themselves out of arms. It's <hes> it's crazy not not including injuries as we just talked about which obviously was a piece of it but certainly the injuries yeah. It's more than just injuries though certainly certainly yes yeah but yeah we your fans you follow every day. You pretty much know what's going on. If you're a cubs fan look if you really wanted look at how this you know this rotation and things looked <hes> coming into the season basically seven out of the thirteen arms. Something's is gone terribly wrong with and if you count <hes> jimmy nelson from a couple years ago is eight hundred thirteen arms. You're trying to replace a lot of arms now. The starting pitching actually actually hasn't been all that bad lately jordan lyles last night had a six hitter or i'm sorry a no hitter through six innings. He got nailed but the burden of beating the diamondbacks to three and a half games aims out. It's not the end of the world. Would i've mentally done through the week. Though is i've had to admit that expecting this team to be a the top of the division right now in the world series in probably a bit unrealistic burs fans have probably already admitted this. What i'm doing is a mentally mentally cleansing and looking at this from a fresh perspective. Let's see what these guys have. There's a lot of young players on this team that are stepping up. You got your cast in. Here's your trent gresham's on the offensive offensive side of the ball. You've got adrian hauser pitching and pitching quite well mind you <hes> somebody that's fresh to keep an eye on and then you think about the guys that'll be coming back can table. You know who knows what it'll be next year. Brent suter was a three or four man in the rotation last year. When he went down he was the left-hander before wade miley. Kinda got things things rolling <hes> well. Miley kinda came back a little sooner than that my point is this instead of getting really pissed off all the time hi blowing seventh eighth and ninth inning leads and losing these games in heartbreaking fashion what i'm resetting myself to do and my expectations is to let's wreck. Somebody else's season. Let's wreck the cubs and the cardinals and you know what those two teams if you can wreck those teams you're putting yourself right back in the division race is and rape back into the wild card race and it'll be fun if it doesn't happen. I don't have the expectation that this is the best team in the division right now because they don't have they don't have arms. They don't have the horses <hes> the offensive side of the ball. You know there's benson's droughts at times when they hit they hit really well and they can't pitch when they pitch they can't hit it's been it's been that kind of year. Where what can go wrong has gone wrong will go wrong. It has been their division to lose and they found several the creative ways to do a corbin burns's in aa and who knows what happened. It's it's baffling. <hes> brandon woodruff is now set to come back in mid-september. That was an an all star. He was going to be the horse carrying this team. He was going to be the six seven inning starter. Yeah this bullpen as fresh as possible. He's gone <hes>. She's seen wasn't what he was last year. Did she seen overperform last year sure but you didn't expect to lose him in lose the innings that he could do this. You're too. It's just that it's been a crap show and <hes> and i've i've rambled on probably long enough but i've reset my expectations for this team in a way that i'm enjoying looking at it for this year's future which is exciting. It's still wild card race. It can be heartbreaking but that makes the triumphs that much sweeter so let's watch for that rhyme doing is watching ching for what it could be next year. You know i mean the brewers are three and a half out <hes> behind the cardinals and cubs <hes> wildcard there right there three three out so <hes> with the mets and phillies between sandwich diller yup yup and yeah so so <hes> would you the bruce had trouble with the mets and phillies. Do they play them much more this year i didn't they did not know they they took. I think they swept the mets and and four games aren't the year and then they lose two out of three no. I think they're done with the mets and the phillies but what they do have coming up. <hes> is i mean really there. In the midst of you've probably outside of the fact that they have some days off this might well be the toughest part of the schedule well washington. Washington is another <hes> yes that milwaukee walkie went to washington yup lost two to three loss two out of three in saint louis now they've got arizona who is a wild cat there with an ear shout of the wealth yeah they're five and a half three with back in the wildcard cardiac exactly yup there last night big win yeah big win last night. They needed to clean arizona's clocks and get them out of there. The cubs were fortunate enough to get in san francisco and a weak moment. Sweep them <hes> that helps but yeah it does it to help your team a lot but they had washington saint louis now arizona for three milwaukee's next next several games. Here's listen to this saint louis for three chicago cubs for three houston astros for two cubs for three so this the next two weeks stretch out this next two weeks this is this is why i needed to reset my mental. Yeah you better now because there may be a couple of sweeps in there yeah. The brewers are going to be right back. A couple of sweep of the brewers better get no no no no no there. There's still a good team not a great team there in the middle of the pack right now. I've seen some signs of life. I'm excited about and that's what i'm going to watch for. <hes> it's just when you get to that bullpen then there just isn't much left out there. <hes> one of the statistics i heard <hes> recently on a broadcaster might have been a podcast <hes> actually but anyway there they've thrown something like twenty five more bullpen innings on the squad and what's craig counsel is supposed to do there. He's getting criticized. Look at the arms that are out there. I mean they're really lee. They're grasping at straws trying to find lightning in a bottle. They may have done so with adrian hauser jordan lyles which would be huge but to know now that would rips out until mid-september is just just a killer yeah. That's anyway so resetting expectations now. Let's go and let's <hes> let's wrexham cardinals. You know what i'm saying. Yeah okay so i do yeah i <hes> right anyways <hes> no i so speaking of expectations about the right at the cubs. Aren't that great either. They're not <hes> they're not walking on water either. They've had they've had some issues. This season then <hes> there has been the trouble on the road. Although i was looking at doesn't look like <hes> the brewers have done much better on the road either. <hes> cubs are twenty five and thirty nine on the road rhode brewers are twenty nine and thirty six on the road so let's four more wins three less losses but actually looking. It looks like all of the central teams <hes> other than the cardinals. They've been all right. They've been close to five hundred in the road but <hes> reds and pirates of not been good on the road was very heavily waded that way which is interesting <hes> i mean i think a team to get deep in the playoffs. World series team needs to be good on the road. You gotta be good on the road <hes> well especially out of this division because let's look at it. You're there's almost no way. The winner of this division gets better than the three seed right so so in baseball you end up with four seeds a wildcard game one game to be to create your foresee right. There's no way essential division. Champ is going to be anything better than the three three. See this year which means they're going to start on. The road in a five game set right probably at atlanta louis yep yep. It's looking that way with the dodgers playing the wildcard. Whichever wildcard team wins in the one game which i'd almost in a way i'd almost rather get the dodgers in atlanta. I don't know why live maybe it's just a really well here. I think i know why i think i just love him just bitter with the dodgers after last year and i just love to see milwaukee. Take a welcome to take a shot at them. It'd be fun yeah yeah. Oh yeah you guys are feeling the same way. I'm sure yeah we we've had our share of <hes> moments at the dodgers but <hes> yeah i you know in a way five game. I mean five game. Series is a little it's so short it can really kinda. You can almost get lucky and pull it off off whereas seven game against the dodgers would be rough especially if you don't have a lot of ways especially if you don't have home field if you think about it that way you'd almost rather be the wildcard against the dodgers. If you're the cubs or even the cardinals really <hes> because you you know what to get to the world series. It's gonna go through the dodgers one way or no yeah. That's my feeling on it and and if you get the dodgers in the five game set. Maybe maybe maybe you're right. The offense gets hot at the right time and you know somebody gets their crap together on the pitching staff you got to do it. I mean he just got to win your home games and get lucky in one of the three games in l. a. the if you wanna look at it that way that's that's what it would have to be yeah right. I mean and that that feels better than a seven game <hes> <hes> you know i'd i'd feel better seven game against atlanta or washington. You know i i can see that but then with washington and you still get what he gets sure zor prosper so easy washington. I should say anyway. He's going to be easy anyway any way you look at it but no. Let's you know to be frank. I've reset my expectations. Having essentially repeating as the best team in the national league they've been injury ravaged and the pitching staff has fallen apart and the bullpen and you know when i said it was their division to lose. I look back on it. I don't think i was entirely wrong at all. If there are three games outrage now of the cubs and cardinals none of these teams have performed where we thought they they would if the brewers had performed even where you thought they could perform right yeah as a they could. I just kinda did that to be nice. Though really i mean for the sake of our podcast on the cubs down and knock him out of the playoffs on your face is that's coming out and reset my expectations and i'm just going to set them off a spoiler team. Then yeah beat the <music> mark that one might wanna mark down. The timing of this podcast is about isn't it come on. I know what my expectations are of. The milwaukee brewers was realistic but what would be really fun for for me is for the brewers knock the cubs out if that means milwaukee has to take the wildcard away from him perfect even better icing on the cake. How about winning the division they could do it. It's i mean i'm not going to be. I'm a realist here i don't. I don't expect milwaukee to <hes> to get super hot this this year. I just don't see the pieces being there. I just i you know i like you in a nice realistic mood like this. You should have done that all all year but you know i'll take realistic the majority of the year the last couple of weeks. Maybe i've been a little bit too optimistic but i think you've been too optimistic <unk> about your cubs the whole year to okay. Why is your team only ten over five hundred trailing the frequent cardinals well the cardinals. What's i i was. I think we were both hopeful that they would not be as good as they are turning out to be now especially the second half they weren't there. We were very satisfied. The first time you know we're like oh okay. That's what we expected but yeah they have gotten hotter. They have gotten better her <hes> and <hes> we expected more or less a three team race. We hope for it to team between yeah we were. We were elected a three team. We're hopeful that they would fall down but <hes> i think it was that was wishful thinking with when they got goldschmidt and stuff i mean that's you know <hes> yeah well. As we discussed <hes> post all-star break about goldschmidt you knew he wasn't going to have a seven ninety two on base plus slugging by the end of the smell. All we talked about it. You know his lowest was eight ninety nine since two thousand thirteen yeah no. He's yeah we expected him to turn it on <hes>. I don't think i expected necessarily surly paul d. young and i don't think the major baseball pontificates or whatever you wanna call the people talk about it like we do. I don't think anybody expected paul. L. d. young to be what he is <hes> but <hes> well. I still don't see the cardinals the cardinals and the brewers when they play. There's there's always something screwy that starts to happen and it it was going on last week. In saint louis again they damn near no hit the brewers he has money granddaughter saved the save from a no hitter the brewers turn around which was nice and they got six and two thirds innings last night. Yeah i hit was given up but i don't. I still don't see st louis standing this personally. I still i i don't. I just don't think they're that good. Are they better than milwaukee. They you might be at this point of the year with the injuries and everything yeah on on that could be yeah <hes> well. <hes> you know the cubs have seven games still against the cardinals yet the season they have seven against the brewers yet the season <hes> that yeah there's lots played yeah. That's a lot there. <hes> cubs are playing the nationals actually right now. They're in the second inning. It's one nothing nationals right now. Nationals have gotten really hot there tough team as far as looking at the wildcard situation milwaukee was fortunate actually to get out of there with a win. They damn near blew it <hes> on saturday night and yeah they're tough team. Yeah hate or hater did blow the save got the win. <hes> interesting thing that happened that game he did end up with three consecutive strikeouts with the bases loaded to get to the next inning which was in a way impressive <hes> he got himself in in trouble and then he found old josh hader hopefully old josh haters back that would be nice but yeah continue washington yeah yeah wash cups got them right now. Wow <hes> they're a tough team. <hes> cubs actually play the mets next after they finished couple more games at the nationals <hes> and then again and then the brewers i next weekend but <hes> you you'll probably be cheering for the cubs against the mets. I'm sure because that's not going to hurt though i wanna the division iv reset expectations expectations but it makes sense yeah it does. It makes perfect sense. Look what i'm what i'm getting at is. I'm have emotionally detached myself a little bit <hes> from you know from. I've it's not realistic that the brewers win the division per se but they still could right. I'm not i'm still a fan. I'm not giving up hope. I'm saying you know if they blow it in the seventh inning. I'm not gonna lose my mind anymore. You know it'll be like well. I guess that's is that that's what this year's been all the way along yeah yeah tonight to all right. The truth is probably re-testing texting. You all kinds of nasty stuff if they blow slowed again but that's fine yeah every set by expectations dammit right right all right yeah cubs. I've i've blabber all. I know that's been ridiculous. Well you know the cubs. I think considering some of the injury things which are out of our control. They're they're hanging in there pretty good. I mean the willson contreras. He's he's been out since august fifth now. <hes> you know brandon anamar. Oh now he's out for the year <hes> he's not gonna come back. He had a setback during his recovery and he's he's not coming back this year. <hes> ben zobrist zobrist <hes> they are saying oh expected to return actions september first against the brewers so <hes> september call up ben zobrist <hes> so that'll be interesting to see <hes> you know and then yeah just through through the season has been just different injuries as you know. Kimbro was out for a little bit. He's back bullpen and sad some issues kinzler. <hes> patriots trump was out. He's back although not doing so good i i you you know he's still not pitching great but <hes> but yeah i think given given that i i'm you know i. I think that they're doing all right <hes> so i i'm. I'm still hopeful on on winning the division. It's basically gonna come down to the rest of the season here in particular the games against the cardinals and against the brewers those are i mean that the main i mean seven against it's gonna be fun game. It's gonna get wild. Seven gay is exactly in fact. We've got yeah it's next week is our cupboards preview as a matter of failed so that should be dropping fry. Yeah we do that friday friday on the thirtieth. We'll get that one out before before that <hes> begins <hes> well or might be during ring during that first game. It's a one twenty starts so you know what it might be. One of those ones where you get to listen to the podcast right after the ballgame when you need some more some more more content a little bit more crap talking between ryan and myself yeah and yeah of course you can always come at us on twitter. I'm at brew winning and i've been a little bit out of a a whiny be lately. It's cool different thing too damn tired i._b._m. Yeah well well. I've tweeted some stuff at you here and there and you're not really replying so you must be crabby. Well i get up at nobody cares. Eh wants to hear this but i get up at four thirty in the morning and i get home at five thirty at night. I fall asleep on the couch around eight or nine trying to watch a ballgame. That's monday through thursday the weekends. I should be better but then we're doing stuff. It's just been busy and i've been tired and the brewers have been sucking. Yeah i haven't responded yeah sounds ah a bunch of excuses and then the real reason the app pretty much well you know i just finished on expectation of the cup so i'm still i'm still hopeful. I think there's a lot to to be played. I think i do need to mention though <hes> one sparked unexpected spark which is keeping them keeping them in there is nicholas cast janos <hes> he has been just a beast since joining the cubs available <hes> nigh <hes>. He's got eighty ninety one plate appearances eighty six at bats. He's batting three eighty four. She's got a one point one seven three oh p._s. Since joining the cubs very nice yeah that's just been unbelievable. <hes> so that's that's been fun. He's in be fun to watch the rest of the year and i i hope they the extent him and keep him because he's also got a great attitude looks like a nice fit in there so <hes> you know i yeah ah kind of unexpected didn't know i mean but you know that's a thing sure that's where you can look at the numbers having a pretty good year. He was leading the league in doubles when you picked him up yeah yeah but he wasn't. I mean you know in detroit. <hes> he batted two seventy three seven nine zero p. s. yeah i ed quite a few where a few doubles but <hes> you know decent decent but if you look at his numbers as career numbers you know he spent seven years in detroit trait. He batted two seventy four seventy three. Oh p s. I mean <hes> you know you look at that and you think ok well. That's not bad but yeah. I mean you know. Can this continue you. I don't know but he's he's been. Absolutely you know incredible on the cubs and he's he's said <hes> i he said like he was. He was suffocating in in detroit. I think this being stuck in detroit for seven years <hes> i it's like he's got new life in him now. He's like oh now. I'm on a team. That's competing thing and i think it made a huge and detroit head a little bit of success while he was there much right right. You know if you go back seven years for lander on the squad. I think you know there was a little bit of success earlier on but yeah the last few years have been rough in detroit just to go tit for tat a little bit on that <hes> you want to you know that that was nice edition from theo we talked about how the bruiser trying to catch lightning in a bottle in one of these pitcher jordan lyles might qualify <hes> since coming over he's he's dropped his strikeout-to-walk ratio from pittsburgh at two point seven three to one point seven seven soon averaging less than two walks per nine. That's a big number but most importantly he's. He's you know he's had five starts. He's three and one in those five starts with a two point six seven e._r._a. <hes> he's been exactly what they've needed. Now granted. He's only thrown twenty seven innings things in five stars which means they're only getting about five innings five and a third of them per start but <hes> without those kinds of efforts to spruce squad would be i five games back six games back would be what i'd just be sitting here listening to you talk about the cubs and i would just be complaining and looking at next year mostly lateness. Oh yeah now i. It's been nice to see a couple of guys step up pitch will actually the starting pitching has been pretty decent outside of <hes> a game or two here there lately but <hes> the bullpen sucks. That's that's not getting yeah. Yeah yeah so castanos nice good stuff okay. That's the arrows versus lyles. That's the big discussion today right. Yeah exactly yes <hes> <hes> speaking of which is at <hes> possible to happen <hes> next weekend. What's that lyles versus kosti yeah i betcha. Could let's take a look at the <hes>. Let's take a look at the schedule a little bit further out here. <hes> got anything posted for probables right <hes>. Let's see here yeah. I mean i guess <hes> you know. There's some of the injury things that have gone on in the days off have really thrown off kind of how i try to guess with the brewers are going to do although it's been relatively consistent lately. Let's take a look doody. Yup milwaukee's all like to be determined on the major site yeah. It's very possible that jordan lyles will start against ashikaga. I mean it's <hes> you'd probably want somebody. That's performing quite well to do so last night he pitch so that was a friday night game. Today is saturday sunday. They you go monday tuesday wednesday. The cubs might actually miss them to be honest without okay. Well the yeah i mean. I guess we'll know for sure next. <hes> <hes> friday are on friday when we <hes> record when we get into the yeah we'll we'll be able to dig in a little deeper but just pitched last night. I don't believe that will be the case as for him. Okay well <hes> but it's a guess yeah so i'm you know what are we good on. Expectations are we. I basically i'm i'm roughly the same expectations just slightly humbled mainly because of injuries <hes> but then some mm sparkling home with casinos and you know you had the cubs being the best team in the national league just like the brewers being the best team in the national league well now. I mean th- obviously that's that's given that's out the out the window i i don't know that i was saying that though we we we did say that we thought wins would be watered down a bit in central just because of the strength vision which i think ben true a lot of pointing you so i would say probably that but also i think there's this division has underperformed to our expectations general yeah yeah a little bit. I mean you know i'm looking. Let's see n._f._l. Central averages versus the east <hes> thirteen and thirteen versus west twelve and thirteen and <hes>. I would have expected them to yeah. I would have expected the central to be beating those other divisions. That's where i thought the extra win and they're more come from or to claw right right right. There are more <hes> even there <hes> actually the biggest thing is the home and road. I mean even the whole al central just their their home in rhode records are just you know average average home record for n._f._l. Central teams is thirty six twenty. Seven average road record is twenty six thirty six <hes> and that's the biggest difference than you know out of all all the divisions in the national league <hes> which is which is crazy <hes> such a split there is some yeah the home road split and a lot of that is because the cubs are supposed to be one of the better teams in if the cubs held up their end on the road than the division vision would look much better on the road period yeah. They were very for cincinnati very poor on the road as well though <hes> although i mean they well cincinnati. It just doesn't know what a win by the score boatloads runs and they gotta win over five hundred at home. They're twenty three and thirty six on the road so pittsburgh. This is all that's terrible. Well under five hundred plane a bandbox in you pitch well inside bandbox cincinnati does for some right yeah yeah. They're thirty seven thirty seven to thirty one at home <hes> so okay <hes> but yeah the cubs forty four twenty and twenty five thirty nine. I mean that's a big big split. <hes> saint louis is a little more <hes> reasonable. They're just thirty one thirty four on the road <hes> thirty eight twenty four at home <hes> but <hes> yeah that that's you know so that's kind of one one thing but i do think you know i mean versus a central <hes> teams higher up are above five hundred versus central. <hes> teams lower are are under five hundred. I mean that averages bridges versus central average of all the teams in the central is twenty eight twenty eight. You know which you know which is normal yeah. Yeah i mean that makes accents yeah but we were expecting the central across the board to be better. Which is where our expectations have been reset again. <hes> yeah you asked at at the beginning of this <hes>. If there was anything else i wanted to added to add to the reset concepts. Just this like i'm a pretty passionate fan. So are you but sometimes <hes> you know you just gotta be able to take that step back and find the next thing to watch for right <hes> i was really getting upset on a a regular basis not like it wasn't affecting my day to day living okay but you know getting upset like that isn't good for you anyway and i just i've found something new to watch for these young and guys what is next year's team going to look like and in the meantime milwaukee's not out of this. There's a lot of cool pieces to watch for and see how they perform. In a pennant senate race these young guys that are up right now and they're playing and pitching in heated heavy pennant race type stuff is gonna be very valuable down the road for this club because this club does rely on its young young players. It's not a big market team so that's something i look forward to watching for the rest of the year and seeing how it pans out because i wasn't expecting a bunch of young guys to be pitching ching and hitting on this club this season kevin here is about the only thing i expected and the way it's gone. We've got a bunch of guys that are inexperienced playing right now so it's kind of cool in a way that it was very beautiful. Yeah thank you yeah. I know i'm rambling on i had to do i didn't know what to do well. Let's let's do predictions now and then yeah. Let's do it right now that that oh you brewers fans listening you know all shed some tears during your monologue bear okay it was terrible i know but that's what i had take a break down a different way and i. I think it's totally reasonable. It is very reasonable still leaves room to be excited and it's reasonable. Yes i've got a prediction. I guess let's cue either working with a song i oh yeah we yeah song which <hes> yeah okay. Let's hear it is whom top ted cy young award voting darvish calling with my cut. I'm going with my heart. I'm autry all right there. We go so spicy to resolve now. I'm just going to say i can't so my ad darvish prediction to make it for next year instead just like move it the next season because no you gotta take not sound sounding as bad anymore as we go on pretty soon. It'll be like we gotta stop that because it doesn't it sounds ridiculous after he wins the cy young award next year but that might predict you by the way you do need to take you gotta take the heart l. l. on that one. I'm sorry it's not going to happen but you can definitely make the prediction again next year to user during our spring training training and all these just might you just might predict a sweep by the cubs next week yeah maybe death and taxes man all right so the brewers have the cardinals the cubs the astros and then the cubs so three five uh eight eleven games after this arizona series in order for milwaukee to stay relevant in those eleven games. They need to win at least five five of them to be to be within earshot of doing something in september. I think the perfectly capable of five. I don't think it'd be like a a huge bold prediction to say five but i think winning seven is what i want to predict and i think that is bold with that competition. Every single one of those teams is above milwaukee so in the next eleven not counting the arizona series. You know you're looking at seven wins four losses so you got saint louis for three chicago for six and then houston for two <hes> so seven and four seven and four against yeah well six against chicago specifically truly believe in your team. This should be pretty good with that prediction. I'm not even i had to phrase great. Okay okay. That's all it was yeah. I'm not reminder gago series speaking of predictions about your one <hes> last last week. Josh hader will not give up an earned run beginning eight sixteen through the end of the next series whereas cubs i i was i was still only giving up the one he's still only given even up the one pretty quick one and he got the win yeah now. The useless wins again. Yes yeah so that's a loss us there which which i haven't done the math but that makes it three and three for twenty one on the season in predictions at any disturb making either one forty three batting average. They're one forty three so yeah not too good. I am not a professional big league projector doing the best i can hear you did throw i did let you get by with the astros astros winning the a._l. Pennant <hes> course we'll see but you got that one. Hang hang onto and <hes> you know and yeah. I guess yeah yeah well. I mean it's still relatively bold. Considering the yankees are there. I mean it's true yeah. It's fifty fifty fifty. Ish at least you know. I don't know what yeah yeah. That's true well. You better hope you. You're gonna end up under a hundred by the end of the season here. Although we got a lot of the year end of the year <hes> predictions too so that'll oh yeah we've got a long list go to ninety miles podcast dot com <hes> you can see everything. I've gotten wrong all season. It's it's a lot of red. There's a little bit of green in there for ryan and myself but not much but at ninety miles podcasts dot com you you can see everything you can go subscribe. We'd love it if you subscribe that we got emails. Every time we do this. You get the notifications <hes> that it's coming up and of course we are. Are you know also encouraging everyone to follow us on twitter. You can go to the facebook page <hes> what else we got going on over there ran. Oh all kinds of stuff <hes> <hes> you know <hes> we've got the more historical stretch episodes. We haven't done any of those in a while because we moving towards doing yeah yeah. Go ahead and talk yeah yeah well. We're gonna well two things i mean. We're going to start we're going to do we're working on a youtube channel where it is video stuff and that's gonna cover a lot of similar stuff like in the stretch episodes and i think once we get off season there you know mo- most episodes will be essentially stretch <hes> episodes <hes> during the offseason <hes> we'll john john offseason stuff but really there's only so much grounding in cover so we'll dive in more historical subsoil between the videos and <hes> and then the stretch episodes in the off season season which we got some really cool things plan for that too so <hes> including some simulated games and such a different types and low. We'll we'll get into that but <hes> yeah and in fact we actually did kind of cover. The box scores to a couple of games in previous stretch episodes. So if you're new to the program you can go back. Those are timeless episodes when you see stretch next to it. It's something you could listen to anytime. Robot robot umpires empires came up something that's been a hot topic all season <hes> a lot of cool stuff there <hes> some better than others but you should listen to all of it anyway for and we got <hes> patriots so <hes> check out that would be helpful <hes> and <hes> yes yes a lot of good subs- ninety miles podcast dot com do it and you'll be happy and now i get to make a prediction and then we get to jet out of here yeah yeah so you guys can enjoy the you know well. You're already watching the cubs game. If you're yeah yeah joy this right afterward. There's there's the cubs are losing five zero right now in the in the bottom of the third <hes> washington's hot there hot but it's early in the game so let's see if the bats turnaround but all right. I'm making a prediction <hes>. Let's see well. I predict washington wins twelve to uh-huh made your prediction so to find out if i get that right. It should still count right right. I i need help so i guess <hes> i guess i should do it. You know i had one in mind but i'm gonna go ahead and do this. One now now just because it's possible we could be recording when the first games already starting and i don't want in any way to to <hes> that interfere. Oh you don't want to yeah you wouldn't want us. Soil are your prediction considering how serious all of this is how much is riding riding the fact that <hes> so to say that the cubs will sweep the brewers in there. I'm next series going up here. You're well you know what how many sweeps have. I predicted in. How many have i gotten right well. I don't know if it's i don't know if that's bold enough anymore because it actually happened and one now it's not all refined with it then it happens and now it's not bold enough interesting very interesting very convenient and back to the well without me. Yeah it is convenient. I thought well how about okay brewers and that allow both a sweep and and they run differential okay sure i wasn't even i was yeah. Go sweep. I'll go at the sweep done well. What were you gonna give i. I don't know i never mind. I spoke to say whatever you never know. Hey also so it was very nice. It was very nice to the cardinals to get rained on and that last game of that series for milwaukee holy smokes did you did you see that oh milwaukee only had to beat them for seven seven and a half innings yeah. Oh i did see that official. I saw that that was beautiful boy. Did they need that yeah. It was last six oats would have been held us anyway the best bullpen in the sky right perfect yeah well we should we should get outta here. The cardinals suck. I don't wanna talk about okay. Okay yeah. Cardinals suck cubs. They're gonna sweep and <hes> and blah blah blah blah blah yeah looking good for the cubs looking bad for burs but jesse is <hes> actually not doing okay now. You're you're resetting your. I'm not resetting outing may reset but three and a half games is only three games okay well. It's a big eleven game stretch coming up. That's why you really have to mentally be well. I guess you need to have hope for the best prepare for the worst traditional mid western right right yeah suicide watch so whenever you got to do i just borrowed a little bit of there's always next excuse from old hey you want. It worked for a long time quite a few decades so it was needed for a hundred yeah yeah yeah you gotta do but all right. Let's get outta here. No cubs sucked by gobert it could.

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The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 850  2020 SP Studs & Their 2021 Outlook

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The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 850 2020 SP Studs & Their 2021 Outlook

"Hello and welcome eight fifty of the sleeper and the bus. It is Thursday September tenth I'm your host for and I'm joined this morning by Justin Mason just a good morning. I have power back. Hey, that's good. That's good to hear dude I gotta be honest I am still. unsettled. Angry bothered by the idea of, rolling blackouts. When you told me that you're just going to be planned out of power I was very angry for you. Yeah. Especially because they're supposed to give us some notice and they really didn't. That's unbelievable. Dude. Yeah. He spent well I mean especially because everybody is working from home and every you now especially like all kids like we just got an email from our kids teacher like the night before like nine o'clock like, Hey, like don't worry about your kids trying to show soon because there won't be any power like what? This is not an okay. So yeah, it's makes writing difficult or impossible when you can't turn on your computer and I mean, luckily, we have a generator that's big enough to power like you know our fridges and freezer and stuff like that. But still yeah really really frustrating especially because it's it's kind of like your situation with you in watching baseball I can watch my phone. But I can't watch local teams. Yeah. I can't watch the as I can't watch the giants and that was a night in which the giants were having a great game and I want a little bit of money playing s and had to watch my my little phone and stuff like that. But Oh, my God i. Just insane to. Insane about how that works I. I knew they were thing I'm not I'm not an idiot. But it's still. Just me angry. It makes angry too. It's just it's. It's so frustrating that because these aren't like the rolling blackouts. I got too hot. These are fire prevention things and it's because the local utility company does not want to upgrade spend the money to upgrade all their equipment. So then whenever it gets hot and windy at the same time like well, we're just GonNa shut everything down now. Not Arizona when it happens this time. I mean, yeah, that's wild but I'm glad y'all are safe. You know we've seen the pictures you you and your family are legitimately living in the Sepia Tone Yup and. If you've seen ones I know there from Oregon, they're probably in California as well where where it's it's pitch read. It looks like the cover of the Game Red Dead Redemption. that. That type of red. You know. Red Orange Sunset type that we've all seen red. Not stood just nuts. Yeah it's. It's pretty scary. Me Mean, we're safe here. you know from from the actual fires. So appreciate everybody's you know sending you know. Kind words, but we're safe. Just you know really really smoky flee. My voice doesn't go out again like it did that one time but Yeah we're we're hanging in there and hopefully hopefully cooler weather is on its way and and this stuff pass. Yeah Hope. So man because needs to be some reprieve. With the way, everything's working in the In, the the West there in the northwest spanning all the way up into I. Believe Washington in Oregon as well. But. We. Try to takes minds off some things for a little bit talk some baseball and we've got a lot of pitching to discuss just kind of want to dive in on a bunch of these guys who have recently dominated by the way. If it wasn't clear. I also wasn't available, but we didn't record Tuesday because of the unavailability that. I should've put it on two hundred on a completely forgot I get terrible service at my mom's it doesn't even live in the sticks like she lives in a Stencil. Harlingen Texas, which is in deep South Texas. I can barely get service like I can't even use because she doesn't have Internet because she needed she has her phone. That's all really needs but I can't even use my phone as a hot spot for some reason team will just doesn't work down there. So I really wasn't on twitter all that much but anyway. So we've got guys from. Couple days ago two and yesterday that I just WanNa talk about their excellence, not only very recently. But I also want to see where you're at on them for twenty twenty one because. As we all know and as we've been talking about across the industry, it's going to be so difficult to. Decide how much to put into what we've seen here in two months. You and I were talking about this off line about how these leagues are GonNa come down to the last day. The last at bat because things haven't settled. This is unlike any other season usually with the six months, things can still come down to the last at bat and all that but it's usually between two teams maybe three this is like an six seven teams in contention, and literally on the last day, any one of them can win if they have you know for starters going and their hinders go off so. It's GonNa be really hard to figure out what we're. GonNa. Do with all this information but let's talk about some of these guys. Let's start with you darvish he's the elder statesman of this group by far. He's three years older than the next guy and one of only two WHO's even thirty or over. He's thirty three. He had breakthrough last year in the second half and even a little bit before. But you know we Kinda just shorthand in as his second half of the season when he just stopped walking guys which I I don't know if if you could guest. So many different outcomes for you, Darvish. Early, thirties I don't know that just deciding to not walk guys would have been one of them. It just didn't seem like that was going to be a part of his game because he always seems to have walked. So last fourteen starts walked just seven. And that's after. To. Compare that to his opening day of two, thousand nineteen when he walked seven, you know so he's he's carried that on he's not walking anybody again this year he's got four hundred twelve pitches. is seventy, two strikeouts an NL best. He's seven and two because the cubs are playing well behind him one, seventy, seventy, eight, point, Eighty, eight, whip. Is You darvish atop? Ten pitcher for next. Year. I think he is. How high within that top ten D do you think of course we're not holding you into these, but just trying to get an eyeball right now just a a an idea of where we're at I'm thinking like six, seven, eight somewhere in that range said top six I liked that that was the first. Atop six but I went ten two more wiggle But yeah, I mean, even at thirty four next year I feel like we can trust what he's doing. He's been so great. Yeah. He and he has been so great. The the thirty four part I think is the one part that just. Gives. Me a little bit of concern shirt with his injury history digs accolades and I mean just not a guy who's been able. To consistently hold up year to year and I just worry that you know the amount of wear and tear that he's put on his his body over the course of his career You know maybe that hurts him a little bit but I think Darvish is in example of for at least for me and I'm sure for other people where you identify kind of you know some skill changes and and and you really high on him, and then the market kind of starts to meet you. Back away and I shouldn't have backed away like I should have just been like you know darvish my guy when I go and get him I I was pretty high on him. Got Him in a few spots but like I did not get him in either of my main events or my ocd just because the price went up, you know so high on him. and. I'm super bombed by that and I, remember US talking about both being in on him and I think similar thing happened to me because of the tear that he was in I ended up going for different guys even though I believe in him as well and I know rob civil was very big on him and I hope that of the three of us at least one of us had conviction and he followed through because he was even higher I believe saying top ten top twelve type and I had a more in the fifteen sixteen range which I think. is where you had him which we were again, we were above the market initially, but then the second draft sees market was right there. So rob still would have been ahead of that market, and hopefully it's paying dividends for him because Darvish has been excellent He's been a favorite of mine since joining Texas, I love watching him. So I love that he's killing it like this and I won't be afraid to take next year despite the age that will be the one hang up but I will be open to taking him probably in the late second round early third. Which is where I think on the take him to get him talk Trevor Bauer. This is the opposite case from you know. This was a show me something and I don't feel bad at all. Off To those who stuck with him, you one I don't feel bad about my process. Going into this year, this was a guy who had one great year. One. And that's the only time. He'd never been below forty Ra and I understood that the talent was there. But exactly, what happened in twenty? One, thousand, nine, hundred was I call it that everyone did you know he's an over tinkerer? Tinker himself out of awesomeness that's exactly what he did and he put up before four forty, eight, one, thousand, five Combo after the to twenty one, one, zero, nine that had him in cy young contention in fact if he doesn't get hit by that. Ian Kinzler batted ball. He would have had a great shot to finish the season and maybe win that Cy Young. He's back into that form and then some he is in full ass kicking mode and You know it was him versus. Darvish. Last night an excellent battle to watch and they both went toe to toe. Now we're looking at a one seventy, four, point seventy nine. That's an NFL best. By the way he has do complete games though I think both are seven. shutouts to shut. That's what I meant. They're seven inning, but they do count because they were part of doubleheaders. He I mean he's been great. He's been unquestionably great. He's going to be a free agent. Do you think he's going to stick to the whole thing about signing one year two year deals and maybe get like thirty Mil for one year something. I'm curious your thoughts on that but also on Bauer in general because I think you are a little bit down on him as well. Are you buying in? I was kind of just riding the fence with him which means I didn't get him anywhere I mean the tinkering is going to. Always make me a little bit lower than maybe the field is on Bauer, which is weird as he was a guy that you know I, always believed in just never seemed to come through. I interested to see if he does do this one I. think he will at least one time. Do the one year deal thing. and then maybe he'll come to his senses and realize that he's just one. You know injury pitch away from. Blowing things yeah. Because I mean you know you down one hundred million dollar contract when you have the opportunity lockdown hundred on contract. And I Think that. And so especially, going into the uncertainty that will be the twenty, twenty, one negotiations or twenty, twenty two. Are Yeah. It'll be after the twenty one season. So yeah, twenty two. So I mean I would be really surprised if he didn't just. A. You never know I mean I wouldn't roast either if he changes his mind on that I wouldn't roast in one percent on that and I'm sure some people will because i. know some people really dislike him. And that's your choice but I would have no problem if he if he quote unquote hundred million dollar check in front of me. I don't find one I. Don't. Yeah, I think I'm. GonNa. You know probably be riding fence with him coming into next year to want to see where he ends up i. mean I have a feeling. He's GonNa end up back in Cincinnati especially. Do. The one year deal thing seems like a really good fit with all the drive line guys there. So. I do worry about that. Ballpark long-term and I worry about him tinkering and messing with things but. I think he's probably GONNA still be inside my top twenty I just don't know that he's going to be inside my top fifteen and I think a lot of people are going to have inside of their top ten. I mean he he's. He's GonNa be. He's going to be that high for a lot of folks and I respect that. It's going to depend where he's that. I'm not I'm not just going to like hard line and you know I'm not going to double down wrongness. This'll now be two excellent years even though it'll be a shortened season. It'll be the talent that I want to see come through again and I will rightly move him. Will I have ms high is the highest I doubt I. Two Thousand Nineteen is just GonNa wait heavily in my mind. It's. You can't just throw it out because they think that's you know often fantasy analysts you know people they go well this. This is the anomaly well. This I don't. You know. Just to give you an idea it's He's going to have more than nine starts but like. Things didn't start breaking down last year until the middle and end to be honest. I mean, he opened with a to forty five in May or excuse me in April through. Take a victory lap. Top five starting pitchers. Yeah. Through seven starts, he had a to forty five I mean does he have so far this year he has eight so I mean you know. We've seen this it was it was after that that things really starting to fall. In fact, in May his first start was eight run seven earned but then seven of two runs. But both were unearned and then five innings seven like just the tumult started from that from May on. So after that to forty, five, year eight, for Trevor Bauer he had a five zero six, the rest of the way. So I'm just saying this doesn't completely wash away all my concerns it does bring him up rankings without a doubt so I will I will do lose him up how do you compare him to guys that we thought were studs coming in that have struggled like would you rather for next season? Obviously, we're not GONNA hold you to it but for next season, would you rather have? Bauer Walker. Bueller. Boy that's that man. You really hit the good one they're. Stunned silence I think I would still go power. Buehler buehler would about flaherty. He might have passed clarity for me. Because I was already you know and I feel bad I'm flirty and cardinals in general. They've had such a disjointed season this whole seasons Ben messed up and there's an extra mess up I. Think I'll. Go Bauer Viewer Bauer Flaherty. Club injure. and. Then quite dog fourth at that group. What about Louise Castio or boy? Maybe tops in that group. Corbin I've got some real concerns about right now I don't know what's going on and I saw him as like the steadiest of Eddie's like just not even worried about him. Yeah I thought he was you know as safe as things can get he's down to ticks. On. This like the resurgent or the like the come up ins on thrown as many sliders as he does exactly, and then you don't have a real good fastball to back it up. And then you're left with just kind of like one pitch at this point because the fastball has not been good for him after the last two years where it was. That's my concern with Gordon. It's a bummer that we're not going to have the chance to see him kind of work through the six months. Because a bad month plus or is it is it like you said the undoing of? Essentially being a one pitch starter I don't know but thirty, one year old. Now starting to get pretty far removed from his TJ in twenty fourteen. Throwing ninety even from the left side. That's that's. Less offensive from the left side because the average left being. Different. averages but still. Now. He's last of all that group. So that that's out there and like I said I I do think I'd still have Louise Castio at the. Maybe, not at the top of that group. Not particularly concerned about some of the the ups and downs that he's gone through. I'm still seeing the guy that fully believe in. In fact I love that the bulk of you're looking at from Castillo with regards to struggles has been hit based and not home run base. And rates down. Down who watches him virtually every start I do feel confident that I can tell you that three eighty of is too high and that you know sometimes it's on him but other times it's just so unlucky where it's like just out of the reach of trying to Galveston or somebody you know like those little squares that are pretty well hit I want but they're like well hit. But if the positioning was like an inch to the left, the guy would have gotten it. You know those. Are crushing with two outs in a two strike count and that's anecdotal. But I've definitely seen some of that in this three, eighty, seven Bob and I look at the two hundred fifth forecast deal and I still have a lot of confidence in him going into his age twenty, eight, th season. So he's top three there for sure. But but if I'm going to make claim right now, I'll put them at the top of that group despite the fact that he does not have the best numbers. All right let's Talk Carbon Burns. This was a guy. Who We've been through it with. Him Versus Woodrow flashed year. Know How that went. He gave a billion homers it was. You know even if you were on the would drift side you weren't like. Oh well, this is what I expected of quarter and Burns I. We've talked about it on here. I. Was on your side but I said I'll take the winner of the of the battle. Same thing this year by the when looked like it was hauser versus Burns I'll take the winner I don't care. Just give me the guy who has the spot. Burned has been excellent this year those who were big on him last year have definitely been able to say this is what I saw. You know this is what I was thinking. This guy could be although he has changed things quite a bit. he's really really really made some big changes. He's added a cutter, a ninety, three, ninety, four, mile, an hour cutter, which is nasty and he's got a change up and he's incorporated some two steamers slash sinkers into his pitching fastballs because he felt that everything was kind of same direction and he didn't really have ways to work lefties versus righties, and so no matter how good stuff could look from a speed spin type stuff and even swing strike rates because his strikeouts were still there last year thirty percent and seventeen percent strike rate despite that. They were going to get them because it was all same and so he gave up three point, one homers per nine in forty nine innings, which is just hilarious. That's down two point two this year he's been obscene just one homer and forty five and a third innings. One thousand, nine, hundred, point ninety whip for Corbin decimated the Tigers yesterday with peer an utter filth I'm really excited about corporate burns going forward and I'm going to be pretty keen on him for next year. Is he a top? thirty-five starter for you. Next year Corporal Birth Yeah I think he is I. Think. To. I just making sure that we kinda got decent range there. How high do you think you can range up just off Ballpark, we keep putting on the county. It's just it's so hard to because think about guys that aren't even pitching right now that are gonna come back Marylanders Strasbourg. Those are two just off the top of my head. Saroka so it is hard but. I we say top thirty five that gives you an idea encore reimbursement talk to me about how you. evolved. With your evaluation of him. I think the biggest thing is the teams faith in him like they could easily when he struggled out of the gate, could could said, now we're GonNa put you back in that multi inning reliever all especially with. US to continuing to have hater close. You know you can be that that hater in the bullpen that kinda comes in when the rainy Hainer. Yeah exactly. So the fact that they have I mean part of it I think is lack of depth in the rotation but Like they they really believe he can be a starter and they they've pushed him back into that role. And he's excelled. I, he's going to be one of those guys I. think that the helium is going to be huge on Xia year. He's only GonNa be twenty six. And I think people are GonNa, there are going to be people who put him in the top ten starting pitchers I don't think I'm there yet. Especially, because we'll, we'll start having discussions about you know the strength of schedule people is not burs. He's had. Let's see. To two games against PITTSBURGH THAT GAME AGAINST DETROIT MINNESOTA hasn't been the powerhouse offense. We thought it was known into the year. It really happened you know Cincinnati struggled you know. So I think also the thing that does make me a little bit more interested, and kind of excited is how deep he's going into gains because. That alteration to his arsenal I think that's helped him get deeper into games. Yeah. It's allowing him to keep batters. Off Balanced through more than one or two times through an order and he he's just been absolutely filthy I? mean. No walks in that last start against Detroit is even bigger than the. League eleven, strikeouts, I grant ignorant. Part pardon me just three walks told won his last three starts. Oh. I was just to say that he only has five walks total in his last four starts. You know he hasn't had to start with more than two walk since. August eighteenth. So that's great and we're seeing evolution within I. It's weird, right we're only talking about forty five and a third innings, and yet we're we're seeing evolution and development from Burns even within this small sample here, and like I said, I can't highlight enough on how much arsenal has changed for the better and he said in an interview yesterday after after the decimation of the Tigers that he's trying to learn the Devon Williams change. He, said with a laugh knowing that wasn't quite there yet but he's like if I that boy, we'll have some confidence in myself If you've never seen that Oh my God I off. Make. Sure you don't have to go into your workplace 'cause that's NSF dubbed for sure. Make sure your significant others appear and over your shoulder because they're gonNA think you're looking at something explicit because it is very sexy. How good that pitch is and if Burns got that, just watch out not no but I I understand these going to have his huge. We're going to get to a guy in a few that I'm GONNA overdraft the hell out of and I can't wait to do it. It's GonNa be fun. I can't wait I love making mistakes. It's great. Okay. This is the guy now sometimes you get them, right? Yeah. Sometime figuring. Limited. Victory Lap? No kidding. Were comically wrong and I was dead wrong and then you actually out wrong to me. That, you took a little bit of the heat off me, but we were hilariously stupid on denouncing. Me Just, not liking him putting them down like the fifties you having them in the bullpen at some point this year worrying. Prediction was right up there with my move. That's one. So you know I think. Again the process. There was some valid reasons for concerns that we hadn't seen. Essentially, a one pinch guy to if you if you really weren't that hot on his fastball. Because it wasn't that great I? Mean it had V low which gave him some margin for error and it would work. At times. But over his two seasons, it wasn't a plus by any stretch of the imagination. So he's was really working with that slider. You'd never really gotten lefties out to any degree and that's where my concern came from just that be super volatile and up and down. Those are the same thing's volatile and up and down. But he's been amazing and you know the development there. I hit my cat. You know he's leaning into the slider hardcore throwing it fifty three percent of the time manipulating it in different ways to wear. Yes it is a slider but but it has like slur elements and kind of can do different things to different banner. So it looks a bit different times and then the fastballs actually been plus this. Year, barely at one point one on the pitch value. But still it's generating some more positive events and he's actually getting left. He's out and a better clip hitting one, forty, two against him for four seventy, one, ps two, twenty, two, and six, thirty, one for righties He's been amazing. He's been absolutely electric and we got it dead wrong on this. I just we just didn't see development coming I I'll take the L. but. You know I don't really know if there's anything else. I. Can say because. It's just GonNa talk I'm trying to. Cover for being wrong or take away from the believers but. How could anyone of seen this? What? What? What was there to say that this was going to happen? Did we miss any like, did we miss something or was it just I don't think. He developed and we and now we have to get on board and it was still taking but I'm not going to get on board. Like. He's still like a one and a half pitched guy. I know and. I was just talking about with Corbin Birds. Well the latest. schedule. Okay. Go ahead. Go ahead. Okay I, mean no one could have predicted that the AL and NL West. We're going to be absolute dumpster fires of divisions with with certain teams. These are the teams he's faced. I'M GONNA go in in order from strategy is in Arizona crap the giants crap the dodgers I still don't believe in my own team. But. The numbers are decent. So then They got to them a little bit the they actually made up for Arizona although you're going to say Arizona a lot. So go hand can sorry Arizona's San Francisco Dodgers Good Arizona Arizona Texas Seattle the angels the Rockies. At home the rockies at his isn't not he's only face the dodgers. Once he doesn't have to bases team obviously and he's not face Oakland or Houston at all they're mediocre by the way they're fourteen fifteen WRC pause there the best teams in Al West but even they do not pose a massive offensive threat no I mean that's fair to bring up but again I, I'm not saying like he does like he hasn't pitched well because he has exactly and I wanna be clear that I'm not either I'm not trying to denigrate anybody who believe in him I will I will eat the El Salvador? I was actively against and we both were, but there's one thing about the top ten guest year s are just asking to have their their brains beat in in two, thousand, twenty one and I just he's not going to be in my top twenty and maybe this is just me being bullheaded but I just don't think there's concern still like. I don't know the DOWSE can hold up over thirty two starts. Now would you change your tune? If we got. If he was on collects new pitch tracker with with change. And he was actually throwing it. Yes. Yes. Throwing it a ton and like really seeing something and and he pitches in the Arizona area. So we might actually get some stat cast on it. Yes. Yes yes. It absolutely is. It's like you know. Yeah had that stretches like this. This is not a this is not a situation that I think can sustain itself over the course of a long season, even how similar swag to them and I. which which I dig by the way I wanted on the mound strutton doing their thing. So I've enjoyed watching them at pitch no matter how wrong makes me every day. But Yeah I mean top thirty thirty five is probably the best I can do right now because it's not completely fixed it's not like a Corbin burn who I was also off of last year with regards to him versus Brandon Woodruff But now I see all this development and I'm buying in. Lament has the same two pitches he's throwing them both better. Can It last? Make It. and. So if you're a huge limit backer and you've been like super in on him this whole time, you believe that there are massive changes here hit us up and tweet because I'd like to hear more from from somebody who really does believe in him if they have a push back out there they're out there. Yeah. I I I wanna I wanNA hear it and I want to see what his remaining schedule is I mean he can't just keep getting these layup. He can't. Halo last is just so bad as as watching the end of that. Rangers as game last night and I'm like these are the teams that are GonNa make the playoffs for. HOUSTON. As. Game. Last night I was like these are the teams that are GonNa make the playoffs there daily. SOLIC- he next pitches on Saturday. So that means he has the giants again. And then it's GONNA get Seattle. And San Francisco again. Maybe Lewis. Yeah he's GonNa. Miss the dodgers. In San Francisco. So even though San Francisco is pretty well at least by WWL. hitter sparks. That's worth pointing out. Not Mean you're starting them for all three and if he continues to dominate no one, no one's going to be surprised. Crazy. So yeah. Hats off to limit. Got That one devastatingly wrong and. Paying for a little bit Hazel Zarko pitch well, again, last night I've been enjoying watching him. You know I remember he started in the bullpen by design. They did exactly what they wanted to do with him. Things that worked out nicely with the as development they had them for extended relief appearances as first two times. Then they put him in the in the rotation since then he's gotten beaten up a couple of times but for the most part been good and Ben an automatic start in fact, those aforementioned giants did get to him and so did the padres neither team particularly surprising. Now, if you had the fortitude to bench him against the Padres, then I mean you're st brass. A Kahane's respect I couldn't I. This is not a guy could take out of my lineup even against a high quality team. But since joining the rotation yes at three, ninety, six era on the season was arnold does with thirty eight strikeouts and thirty eight and two thirds development as expected I. Think for the twenty two year old lefty and I'm pretty excited about him. He hasn't been so off the charts though that I don't think he's going to be one of those guys that gets pushed. Agree like disgustingly high he'll be high you know but you know he's GonNa get love but I don't think it's going to be the point of like Oh are we? Are we overdoing this to the highest degree except that it could be that trickle up aware in November in December he starts at a reasonable point and then as the winter wears on people just slowly start to inch Lazardo up what I could see that happening. That it will actually come out. I think he's going to be you'll come again have a draft season because I mean you look at like his fifth f expert in Sierra those numbers aren't like it's not like he's got a three ninety-seven er a and then you know to forty five, you know X. Pepper something. And those are the type of guys that people are like really start to jump on board where you know the IRA indicators are way below what they should be or you know what? What the actual you know service numbers are, and it's not like he's striking out a ton of batters either. I think they're going to be. Huge helium guys that may be just jumped over him. That shouldn't okay. I think those are the guys that are gonNA kind of push his price down a little bit. But I mean I really have been impressed when I've watched I think Lozada's one of those guys like need to watch Mitch is man his stuff is absolutely filthy and it's electric and. Those who will be his biggest backers you will have watched him in seeing that there's more to this game than the results were getting because he could easily have the results of some of these other guys we've already talked about. You know with his stuff meaning. In there for the future I think he's the. He's the third youngest on this list of ten that we're GONNA, be talking about. So he's still plenty of development to come forward Lozano and I'm going to be very excited to draft next year. If you're right about him coming in at a discount I, think you've made a case as to why that can happen. You know. Then I'll be ready to have plenty of shares of. Me as well. All right moving on to the next. Guy. Six though Sanchez and this is the guy i. CanNot. Wait to overdraft the next year because I'm going to you won't be the only one I won't be and it'll be and that's why it'll be overdraft because it'll be a race to see who you know who can who can wait the longest without waiting and you know you gotta balance it. That was popular will tweet there for something like that. That was three hundred. Thirty. Three other people who are like, that's going to be fun to make that mistake and it maybe it won't be a mistake. Maybe he's just going to be one of these guys that just goes from the jump but you know he's going to be twenty two next year and I could see some ups and downs. One thing I liked about six from jump street though. Young arm with ready-made changeup I. Just I'm a Sucker for those all the way 'cause thinking about how many guys we talk about that have one or two pitches as we talked about some already and don't have that change up. Well, his already came. In as the arguably the best pitch that he had. If not it was that fast ball in a fastball changeup combo link that you can really work with throw in a solid slider and watch out any little show me curve to that he's been pushing out there. He's been obscene sense hitting the marlins twenty, five innings of a one, eighty, point ninety, two, whip twenty-seven, percent strikeout, two percent walk you love to see that on pitching Ninja every time he pitches and you see why and you know he has one of those guys that if you didn't know any better, you'd say he's been a major league for a and analysis an anecdotal intangible kind of thing to talk about like poison swag and in. That when you're getting beaten up a little bit I, understand all of that. But watching him out there dominate he looks like somebody who's who's been around the block and he jumped from Aa yet one hundred, three innings at Aa last year he didn't even get AAA because this weird season I love Sixto I can't wait to overdraft him. How do you feel about the the marlins electric radio which by the way they got four J. Joe Muto so That's right. For, as much as the yellow trade will continue to be a stain the early returns here and Faro's been a decent little catcher for them too. So that might actually he's been pretty rough this year but he was he was like league average last year. Miss the the time he missed a bunch. With Calvin yes. Fifty nine plate appearances. So let's not judge them too harshly this year, but they might have a nice little Lewis Brinson is got to home runs into. I'm ending the PODCAST. Not, this episode, I'm ending the entire. Divas. Benefit from that that's so gross. Gestures Long. Yeah that twenty, nine, nine game or whatever it was the football. Football scores were there last night and the Tigers got estimated to? So they were to just utter. You know shellacking snare as far as scores. It was nineteen zero. I. Don't think they put up one. Yeah Nineteen Zero. In two thousand nine, nine, seven six is a football score those three Oh technically. But yeah crazy I mean we're seeing some. We're seeing some of the September offense stuff that we see sometimes when there's like on the call ups and guys are wearing down but it's not because. I. Think. Yeah. I think what we're seeing too is There's so many games especially for some of these teams back to back to back that they're just GonNa have to let pitchers where some of these and e this strikes me so much as and I don't know this is just my guess that Jordan Yamamoto wet in the dugout. Or either gave some sort of because he gave eleven in one and just said I got it. All I can hear more than or they said or they told you. This nobody. Struck me as one of those things where he's like. Do what I can't man I and he threw ninety four pitches in two and two thirds. He's I Guess Dude Oh my God. All. Aware this one but you guys have to keep the upper s the air. Yes. Exactly. Keep me on that per diem and that MLB pay. But I'll. I'll eat this as best I can and at least two thirds out of the way Pablo. Lopez. Killer is that for people that are in contention right now speaking of Marlins pitchers that I really do I didn't put him on this list here but gives up seven in an inning two thirds after giving up five in four innings I don't know what's happening headed to ten era through through his first six starts and stuff to back it up and he was looking really strong, and now all of a sudden to meltdowns there that's really brutal but anyway about six though. You know. Where do you really think you can you can put him on your list next year he's going to be too high is just going to be too high. I just I love what he does I mean. Because I'm dumb. He's one of those guys who really WanNa. See how he finishes the year but You you you talked a little bit about like intangible things in terms of you know kind of his confidence on the mound. But I think there are some numbers that really show that his first pitch strike rate sixty, eight percent like yee's attacking's hitters is owners and forty, six percent he says, you know he's just going up there and saying, listen I've got great. Stuff I dare you to hit it. Yeah and if I get ahead of you, now you're going to get the slider changeup and that thirty eight percent oaths wing really comes into play. He gets ahead of hitters the count, and then he makes you look silly when he goes outside of the zone and I I mean I think if he continues to pitch the way he is like I. think There's a real argument that he's atop thirty pitcher. Even higher than that. And The. Extras, Gallon. Absolutely could that's a great call out and I didn't even put down on this list because we could probably we might have to just an entire show of pitchers wants to season wraps of all the. There we need to go position by position in the. Royal well as it because we have to have the question of what do you do with the sixty game season and all that Some of you will say, this is not a reason to draft somebody I will say the direct opposite. This is exactly why you would draft somebody. He has a forty five tattoo on his neck for Pedro. Martinez six. And again. You're gonna say that's intangible. That doesn't mean anything I'M GONNA say a deciding factor in moving up two rounds over his ADP and I'm right. I'm guaranteed right on this. There's obvious regression coming. Like to what extent is the real question and I don't think it's like I. Think this is a guy that you know that I'll likely project is like a three twenty ray guy coming next year giving you a strike out inning. and. I mean that if he keeps this off grade, even if any sort of homerun problem develops, it likely won't be devastating because he'll keep runners off base and that there is so much to like it is a tiny sample but you look at his minor league track record. It's all tracking with what he did in the minors that made six though such a big prospect and he was the Marlins number one he was twenty first in our top one hundred I mean there there was just so much to like here and he's been panning out very nicely. Let's see how he finishes. We'll talk about it. I can't wait for that first mock just to see where all these little. All these breakouts go and and Kinda helped set the market and You know. Maybe I'll send it with a I'm taking a second overall. How about that? The guy that you were in on to start the season because of a maneuver that you were hoping to. Help Pan out it actually didn't but this worked out better tyler molly you're thinking maybe you'll get some multiple inning relief appearances here early on and maybe sneak you some wins as guys are ramping up because he seems like that great bridge. Guy, and lost out the fifth starter's job to wade miley instead he was thrust into duty and he's been great You know he's really been good all year really coming down the stretch very nicely. He did have that one outing where he didn't give them any strikeouts but he went seventy three runs against saint. Louis. Only three strikeouts but hey, that's surviving. Sometimes you don't have your strikeout stuff but all told for molly, he's got a three, eighty nine, a one whip flat homers have been the only issue. That's why the NRA has a little bit disparity from the whip. But five point eight hits one and a half homers. Ten Point Nine ks at three point, two on the walk does are per nine rates instead of percentage looking at is being rough game all grow quick but tyler always been really good now two questions. Do you believe in him, the rest of the way, and then also do believe in him next year that they'll trust the twenty six year old ready to be a full time starter and not not make him be in a hybrid role in and earn his way back into the rotation. Who I trust them rest of the way. I mean I like I like the division he pitches in obviously being in the central. Let's see he's got start on Sunday, which is the thirteenth so he's got. A start versus Saint Louis then he's going to go white. Saw It sucks in. MINNESOTA. Yeah. Not Great. But we've turned twins. They're not. They're not as difficult I think the white sox is. Really scary one there. Yeah, so easy but they're not terrifying. For Molly Yeah I don't think so I mean in they're they're gonNA be. Tired. The four days off. Right yesterday was their last day off the season and they have many multiple game days including one today against my tigers making. One More Day off they've got the the twentieth but. They won't do anything that everyone's just chilling in their hotel. freaky. Sleeping. And they've got they've got one day off and five double days. Rescue Wild. So, yeah. With Molly, wanting to murder Miley did get a multi year the object I'm just putting it out there. Miley get a multi year deal but bowers of free agent. Johnny's been garbage desk finding has been awful dude. Just Yeah I. Think he's going to be in that rotation. Okay. Share and I think. What the pitching staff has said about him in Cincinnati, is that they just really like what he can do as a starter I just don't think they add the room. I think yeah I think he's going to be a starter and I don't think he's going to be priced appropriately I. think he's going to be one of those guys people really fade agreed. And if he's going outside of the top fifty starters, he's going to be a guy that I'm I'm GonNa get on a lot of teams next year my Tyler Molly back the slider this year with great effect. Last year, he went to a curve ball with a little bit of a show me cutter. It didn't quite work. He had had a new splitter last year to that was doing some decent things. He still has that. So He's a three pitch guy fastball slider splitter, and the splitter is pitcher. He's not overly reliant upon it. He has a good fastball to die does quality work for him? I think he's got the stuff here to really succeed and we've seen the swings strike rate really jump up he's getting more chases than ever. And he can live on his zone a little bit more, and that's where those cases are coming from is that he doesn't have to just pepper zone now can tweak that homerun rate to be honest. The one five is actually an improvement over the one, eight, one, seven of the past two years still need a little bit more there to feel confident particularly in Cincy. But that's what's going to keep the price down and allow us to get in on him at a reasonable. Rate I think is what we're going to end up seeing what tyler molly but I do like a lot of what he's done this year and I'm pretty excited for the future with Cincinnati's Tyler Molly. Let's move Dane dunning who was not after thought is too high of a word. He not giving any love in that trade when it happened when it was the Adam Eaton for Lucas Juliane rain all the Lopez deal and it's like Oh. Dang. Donning whoever that he was from? I love for him but we have twenty six first round pick and I gotta be honest. This is another guy that made my radar a little bit more firmly because of them will be the show because they had them in their prospect and they they made a card form and everything else like Oh. Yeah. You know he wasn't number one. Can't say, I, have mine all these teams, every team or anything I do I'm on a couple? But I watched him closely because of the. Debut was against is and I was obviously locked in on on the case. And they were both matching each other pitch for pitch. It was a lot of fun even though both went four and a third there were twelve fourteen strikeouts among them seven apiece they both gave up three runs had a little hiccup there where it's like, Hey, welcome to the welcome to the big. Leagues Rook but other than that. It was a lot of fun to watch and DUNNING has. been the one to really take off from that point four and remember he was sent out immediately after but then they needed them very quickly because I think Gio Gonzalez went to the I l. and he's the one to seventy era a one whip flat twenty, one strikeouts in twenty innings. What do you do with the twenty five year old righty next year for for the white sox Dane done I think he's one of those guys is probably not going to get the helium he he probably deserves he's not gonna any I don't think like. Like any meaning Top sixty seventy pitcher and yeah. I mean I think the big concern with a guy like dunning I think you can actually throw some of the other guys we talked about the younger guys like a sixty zero into this kind of comment is. What are the innings going to look like next year? You know are the are is the Sheraton Season GONNA make teams a little bit more cautious to ramping up some of these guys who don't have long track records of throwing. You know hundred, twenty, eight, hundred, fifty innings. Actually done. He's coming back men nineteen. Yeah and donning his head donning his head injury issues throughout his career Believe he was a reliever in college that they converted flat in Yeah. I WANNA say can right now So I do worry that maybe his. Was Yeah. I do wonder or worry a bit that may be they. They put like at innings count on him coming into twenty one but I think whatever you get is going to be pretty decent. I mean he he's you know he's done a really really good job of not giving up home runs doesn't walk to many guys he gets strikeouts. this team behind him going to be very, very good. offensively and defensively as well. So. I I liked dunning alive and like I said, I, don't think this is going to be one of those ones where people put him on bus lists. Yes, or they don't believe in him at all and I don't agree with that and I'll be happy to take him as My v six starter tight. I don't think you're going to have to pay a premium. He strikes me as a guy you know he's not overpowering all. He throws ninety two, but he has a plan and he he executes quite well. It's been interesting to watch them I a guy who is you know pretty well put together as far as what he wants to do out there doesn't have a bad pitch laid actually everything he throws has a positive peeve owl so far and He. He doesn't have like the one overpowering pitch that you. You were like lament where you go, we'll that is the game changer. Yeah. He doesn't have that, but he can be more of A. Pension yes, was about to say. Guy. I think that's the right way to put it. You know they told the kitchen sink. And the days that one thing isn't working. They got something else to go to as opposed being. So reliant on that one pitch to be working. Hey, maybe it's the slider working day. Maybe it's a change of another day. He's going to be one of those guys that has a high floor, maybe a low ceiling. I don't think he's ever going to be a top twenty top twenty, five starter necessarily. But he's GonNa live in the that forty to range and you're going to be okay with that especially based on the price. I that's great. Analysis of Dane dunning and I. Don't think is price is gonNA be too high. Price will probably be too high though because he's a Yankee and that does happen listen Yankees and that is David. Garcia. When I call them the right thing. Yes. On the on the trade pod on the train special that we did with. Nick pollock I called David Crews Five Thousand Times. Just constantly just could not. Put An L. in there for some reason. delhvi. Keep, trying to call him LV no Davey Davey Garcia David Garcia from the Yankees Twenty one year old. He's been up. You know he's also got a little bit of that six swag where he's gotten the confidence out there shows in the three percent walk rate twenty, six, percent strikeout rate three, zero, six, point ninety, one whip in seventeen and third so far so much to like early on here. In a similar way of what we were talking about when you brought up with six though sixty four percent first pitch strike thirty seven percent swing. So when he gets ahead, he's he's challenging you then he's giving you nothing else and you're going to be flailing at his stuff not as overpowering throws more ninety two but also has a seventy grade curve ball. It's just absolute Phil and has a change that definitely works show me cider as well that he brought out a little bit more in yesterday's start. This is a nice profound like here. What do you think about Davey Garcia? I will say one thing. Size. Is a little bit of an issue and that's the thing that I brought up with him. When we talked about when he came up is he is tiny and I do just worry about how he will hold up over the course of A. Full season or even a full career until. Like. Dynasty. Leagues. Who Lives in one of my Dynasty Leagues Listen to the show he's all I hear I should sell Debbie Garcia so by The Away No. I. Probably, should especially at this point because. It has been such a great debut. A great opportunity to really sell quite high on Hammond. It's hard to do that with the. You know out front looking so good but there are there are nerve wracking. Issues here with the size because when you listen to at five, nine, five, seven, eight, I mean, it's just the simple fact there's always an inch or two tacked on to make it a little bit better because if he was five nine, he'd be at five eleven or six on the books. That's just how they do it. So I've been impressed. And he was a guy that I from the streets skills and stuff perspective, I really really like and the really impressive part is so far only two walks. Yes and I I love that he's attacking. It's it's been. It's been great to watch. There is a lot to like here but. Can he be trusted to hold up over an entire season? Is the real question right now? Yeah, and I. I'm just not going to be able to put in my top probably forty starters next year and I think if he continues to do this especially being on the Yankees and in doing this in, you know the the eastern divisions people are GonNa. Overdraft him and it just not going to be made and You know maybe this is one that bites me in the by you know but that's okay. I'm just I don't. I don't like these these really really little guys. Track record I'm yes. Yeah that I faded You know because you know his mechanics and his eyes but I'll tell you what I'll wait to see where the prices before I fully am out for sure. But I'm guessing there'll be a Yankee tax, which is, and so then you add in my concerns over his size. and. That's what's going to lead me out. It just doesn't though I mean I will say it like it doesn't feel like there's a same fanfare over the Yankees especially this year that there's been in years past true and I don't know if that is just a you know some sort of effect of twenty twenty being such a weird season. but yeah, I think because they keep getting hurt I'm not even trying to Joe, no I think it might be because they're not as watchable because all their stars or you know either her or underperforming I mean gleyber torres hit his second home run last dude it's like you want their guys the new even want the fillings, but it's hard to get attachment to the guys when so many of them are in another except for Luke voight which I heard on a podcast that he was highly recommended coming into this year. I don't know you're talking about. Buddy recommend no no I'm that one. One of my favorites dude that Luke Voice Shirt that road aware came out with all that was such an incident cop I had to get that getting the players. Great is amazing. Not Good for my bank account but good for my for my teacher Doral say that for sure. But yeah, no I. Think we've we've highlighted where we're at on on David Garcia and some of the concerns love the talent love how he's shown out so far but I do believe in dynasty this is an opportunity to go ahead and sell high because I think the price Should definitely be substantial. So if your particular contention, you could plug maybe two three holes to somebody who's not so much in contention but does have a few pieces of interest. I think that's the way you WanNa go there. Let's run to the other side of the age spectrum here but stay in new. York, and talk about Seth Go. Yes. Starter. Seth. Lugo. I, think there's some legs to this. you know he just hit five innings. His first time out is the first time last time after a couple three and three two thirds had to ramp up obviously but. Everything's there and he's been awesome. This is something he's always wanted which I didn't realize that he's been of pushing for this while not not in a obstinate sort of. Negative way like causing problems but just saying, hey, if there's ever a position, let me get back in that starters role but I'll continue to be a bad ass reliever in the interim and remember you got an opportunity in two, thousand, seventeen I was all about it by the way and it didn't work four, seventy, one to one, thirty, seven Combo didn't work. So they put him back in the bullpen for eighteen in one, thousand, nine continue to be excellent. It's only three starts and two of them are under four innings but I like what? I'm seeing here on. Seth Lugo and I don't think that he'll be overdrafted next year because it'll be thirty one converted late season into starter. I don't think people are GONNA lose their minds over this. So I'll be glad to get shares at what I think will be a reasonable price of Seth Lugo. Yeah, I'm all about this and when we talk about him moving into the rotation, what two weeks ago I set a deadline. This is the time to go by on him and keeper and Dynasty Leagues Rights will be absolutely nothing and I think people would be really scared. That he's GonNa. You Know Kinda show the ward said he showed in older to yes thirty. So like dynasty you're dead in. Exactly so And I believe that and I still think there is a buying opportunity right now. To go and try to get him I mean. He's got to five. He are a his his two, ninety, five exit to sixteen It's. Just been absolutely. Devastating, his ground ball rate and the strikeouts. These are like he's getting what it's A. Fifty one percent ground ball rate twelve, point, six eight. As per nine. I he's like you just can't do anything against him. No, you really can't and that's I mean. Everything's translating and looking really good right now, four Lugo going into the into the rotation and you know with the injuries they dealt with and the lack of consistency they've had in their rotation. There's no reason that they should keep him here like no I can't any reason mets rotation of two years ago where like right now, he's their two starter and this is a guy who four turns in the rotation ago wasn't a starter. And even getting you know thor back I don't think greatly changes things like I I think. Bullpen Guy, you know Gazelle walkup. Things didn't work. Now, this is. This is one of the go to guys I think and and they jammed here. They could go get to more starters and he'd still be in the. I agree I fully agree. So we're big Seth Lugo hopefully nobody else's but I'm sure some people will be but again, I don't think even with helium, it'll be agreed I I really don't. See I. Don't. I. Don't see that coming. All right. We're going to speed round interested. Longer than I thought. Subject yet Matthew Boyd pulled the rug out from under everyone and you know I've. been watching this all year and this is why I was nervous even on the return was like hey. Better. To batter, you don't know what the hell you're going to get. It's terrifying where he added Matthew Boyd rest of the way I just bought him in a dynasty, right like you said. This blow up. So like you know it wasn't buying on the strength of the last two outings. I'm mortgages they're going GONNA be some guys in hitters and pitchers where we have to chalk twenty twenty up to being twenty twenty and I think it'll be a lot of players even on the positive end for some of these guys like you were saying with some of the. Schedule stuff you're going to have to do some of that with with with guys there too. I agree I mean this is going to be a loss just a law season. We're just GONNA have to write off for guys like Boyd for guys like Walker Bueller for you know, and I'm while all they'll obviously come at a discount in that part of the reason I'm willing to buy. It's also like baseball is such a rhythm sport I think more so than any other sport and to have guys get thrown off the way they did coming into you know the shortened season the the summer warm up after you know the spring training you know got shut down I just think it throws you know some guy's completely off in that they'll be completely different pitchers completely different hitters coming in twenty twenty, one and I think that's GonNa make draft season infuriating and also really exciting. Yes and I hope ADP's are just wild. Titled All over the played. APP. Men's are going to be bananas. So yeah, no boy is a guy that I think I'm going to be willing to take the discount on a is long as like people. A bunch of people aren't doing the same thing as long as pitcher list doesn't like you know do the. Last three starts are amazing. And and we're all boys again you know. It will be tough it'll be tough Adam duvall hit three homers yet. Again, he now has thirteen on the season he's been he's been electric and a couple of homers in between the three homer games as well. So now he has seven in his last eight games for a seventeen, ninety, six opiates yet. He had a ninety, six, ninety, six before that. Thirty. One years old. He does have to thirty homer seasons. You care about am devolve beyond the rest of this year I. Think he has to start the rest of this year just because he's been electric but when you think about twenty twenty one. Who can be thirty three next year. I don't think he turned thirty three in September. He just had his birthday. Yeah, Geno be thirty three next year. Age Thirty two season, you're not correct really though it's his age doesn't matter thirty, two, thirty, it doesn't matter. It doesn't have a team either he's he's a one year deal here actually his arm eligible so they could go ahead figure although this is increasing its price. Well how much like we have no idea like how much these things bedroom, i. We. About. They're going to argue, well, it was just sort. It was two games. That's it. Yeah. I mean I think a lot of is going to depend on what the brave's as team. Okay. You know I mean they've got a lot of young pieces locked up. And got waters and patch coming up I mean do you like do you like him? I like him for what he is. Yeah. I do too I. Think he's a solid power source think even if you land somewhere else. Anywhere. That could get. You know he seems like a giant. He really does he would be like the perfect. He started when the giants that's. It he was part. Grade was over what trade with you. Yeah, I. Mean. He's one of those guys that I think could be a really good trade ship for them like deal was what? What's the Michael. Not, that worked out. But yeah, so you know. If you. Have `push, Shea, they do have waters Y- waters they were unwilling to even discuss a move for a starter. Z. Wonder if they like. You know they go and get like a innings eater a Michalik. Type. Do they bring back Osuna? So. There's a lot of questions would do all I guess we don't really have an answer though because we don't know where he's going to be and maybe we want to assess in the off season. We'll come back to him, but we gotta keep going to keep power and through here. This one's really interesting Ryan Mount Castle, I think I don't know if it was on this show or on an another one where I was talking about telling Orioles fans that you know I know you want him up but he's not the savior. Well, maybe he is. Okay maybe I was wrong. Maybe he is the same dudes out of his mind three, three, four, forty, one, six, thirty, three with four homers and sixty eight plate appearances where we add on Ryan Mount Castle going forward I like causal. One. Of the biggest issues with him was, he is just such a bad defender. Like I don't think the offense was ever really in question it was more a matter of like originally I think he was supposed to be short thought that he was the third. Baseman. I, but I is blocked up by those awful contracts. And now they're like, well, we'll just stick you out in the outfield in who cares about the defense. Yep I think from fantasy perspective he is a guy that is GonNa get a lot of healing him but I think it's going to be disturbed as well. So we'll be a guy that I'm definitely targeting. As long as not inside the top one, twenty, five one. Yeah I think that's fair I I. Don't know that Mount. Castle. We'll be overly inflated I I really. Don't I Have kind of missed what he's done. Exactly. I think a little hidden there in. Baltimore by the way they're they're kind of decent hitting team as a whole interestingly enough I think we talked about this a while ago doing one of those things about struggling stars Jeff McNeil. Everything. was there except the power it was like if the power kind of gets going than he is who thought he was Like that I triggered it. I guess by by saying. He listens he's like, Oh, they want hit home okay I'll do that. That sounds good. He's four homers in a row. Four straight games with the homer. All of a sudden his number right back to what we expect out of him and I also want to bring up a bigger picture about how the mets. Lead, the league in WRC plus. And I mean the mets, GonNa mets thing can sound tired at times but it's always so prominent because you know they have the best pitcher in baseball they've actually had some things work in the bullpen including getting back on track and they have the best offense in the league by WRC plus so of course, the rest of the rotation shits the bed is like whenever they never get everything going all in the right damn direction. But yeah. Jeff. McNeil's gotten his power stroke back here with four straight homers. Twenty nine years old next year. I. Are you going to just stay right where he was this year where you believing in him coming into this year when you stand on Jeff McNeil going forward I was definitely a buyer coming into this year just because I love the multi-positional eligibility he which is a Hugh Muncie type the dodgers removed together with with you know the outfield and Infield eligibility, which is always huge and I mean he's going to have that again next year because he's got nine games at second nine games at third and fifteen games in the outfield it's like he's going to retain that triple eligibility See I'm going to be a buyer next year as well. In a interested to see how many people have kind of just stopped paying attention to him and had really zips. Yeah. I think the price at least hold and I think he was like round one twenty coming. He's the year he wasn't egregious I was comfortable with his price. He was basically like if I didn't get months here, Lemay, Hugh I'll gladly take me dino and you're right the OUTTA. Third Okay. So he was pretty high Alexander. That's fair. I don't think it was unfair at all And if I think it will come down from there I think we'll have passed him more than anything against him. So, let's see where that goes with with with respect to make neil but I'll still be buying especially if it's out of the top one hundred, which it very well could be and we'll kind of proceed with him. But I wanted to point out how well he's been doing dylan more on fire since returning to eighty six, three, seventy, five, seventy, one with a homer and three stolen bases. He's a big waiver wire find this year he got hurt that was a bummer. Hopefully hung onto him because he's back and crushing it again, he has six homers. Nine steals Nice. Nine twelve OAKS PS is this real? It's twenty seven games. Is there anything here he had nine steals excuse me nine homers eleven deals in two, hundred, eighty, two plate appearances last year but just six, ninety, one PS is this twenty eight year old utility man that's what he'll be next year twenty, eight, his as twenty eight season. Is there anything to this? I think there is something to it. The problem becomes the twenty, eight, twenty, nine year old utility man. and. What do the Mariners WanNa do in terms of train them if they're on the team, they want to train them. That's just the general. Yeah well, I, mean, and you would I would think you would want to trade guy like this I. I was teasing but injury kind of came at the worst possible time for the organization because they weren't able necessarily to trade him I wonder if he's a guy that gets moved in the offseason in that case, it really just depends on where he ends up but. A guy who is going to deliver especially this kind of speed from a multi positional eligible player mean they stack cast metrics are pretty much all read except for a percentage I mean this obviously could come crashing down and so I don't WanNa pay a huge price four him. I'm going to reserve judgment to see where he ends up in the off season because I don't think it makes a ton of sense for the mariners to have him as an everyday guy next just from a rebuilding standpoint. But I mean, I, guess it could be the reason they hold down. Julia. Rodriguez. For quite a while. You know he's pretty young and they have something here if they can train them I think. We know Dipoto will be open to it if if if something POPs up but. The roster coming into next year I think he is going to be one of those guys that is definitely worth targeting because I mean, if he's on the roster, they're going to give him run and emphasis on run they're going to let him go on the basis they've shown that they've been running team. So that definitely works for Dylan more a Bobek could be back this weekend and you know he was cut in some leagues check your wire don't assume that's all. That's just a little PSA right there. We haven't talked in a while. So Task Hernandez News is a little bit old, but he did hit the the I l. with an oblique injuring could be toast for the rest of the year if he is. And I guess even if he isn't maybe comes back and he's just put on a few more numbers. But where are you at on tasker for next year because he is somebody who could soar but you should he based off of thirty nine. Games? Is Question he should definitely go up I. Don't know that he should sore. This was your guy no. Definitely, my guy and still my guy but. I mean at one point he was leading all of the Major Leagues Home Runs Yeah T need has to be close. And people are going to draft that way next year I mean I guess if he's going in the same area that Solaire was. which is just outside the top ranging from just inside the top one hundred to just outside like in ninety two, one ten. He His his range was thirty eight to one, forty seven. A while I didn't I didn't realize it was that. I was Kinda thinking second season. Eighty. Eighty seven. So speaking of Salerno by the way. He did not play particularly well, and now he also has an oblique so he could be done since you brought him up let's loop. He wasn't bad seventy, seven, eight homers. If you're mad at that, then you don't understand like rain business. Yeah. If you just thought he was going to continue to be exactly when he was last year than I news for you and that's just not how this works but you take your eight homers. To thirty five average in seventy seven zero PM. Okay. That's fine. I got mostly what I needed. It wasn't the high end, but it certainly wasn't below and this was a decent floor here for so layer but he'll go down and ADP hey. Oscar could jump up my only concern with with Oscar is I don't really see fundamental changes. He is lining the ball a good bit more and he's hitting it harder, but he's always hit it hard. strikeouts in walks is still not a very good profile so I don't see a lot of change. It's. An extended hot streak and that's my kind of. Trepidation. About wanting to say, Oh, I'm all in e-especially because he's not a good defensive player and they've now made grow their deitch. And they have a lot of the agents because they have already. Done but you know they they've. In playing I. So. At what point does it defense become an issue again because that was what was keeping him from every day at bats previously to twenty twenty and this year they just Kinda. Let him go 'cause when you're hitting that well yeah So I worry that like there's no way I can take in the top one hundred and I think that's where he's going to go. Then I don't know we're going to get him. Yeah. I I I'm going to be superkid on Task Hernandez is I'll be. Yes. But you have to be smart to you know and you and you want your except for six though Sanchez. Take him second overall. Definitely. Yes. I. Last one can tell Martin to the aisle with a wrist injury. This seems to have come out of nowhere. There's not like a triggering game or like a hit by pitch or anything which has me wondering has there been a lingering issue all year because it's it's left wrist inflammation has been something that's kind of been. Sitting there all year can play through it but now it's just too much because the power is gone, he hit two homers in forty games to ninety, three, twenty, four, four, zero, seven that four, seven slung down from five ninety-two, even from four, thirty, seven, the year before so two homers one steal you hit to ninety and scored seventeen runs but obviously, Martin did not pan out and I'm wondering if this has just been something that's been there all season that he was able to play through until it just became too big of an issue and the fact that they're just out of it. So where do you come out with Ketil Martinez twenty twenty? This. I mean, it obviously wasn't wrist but this is what I was concerned about with him coming into the season is yet that stress fracture in his back And back, problems caused problems, other places an, and if that was still an issue to Compound and there goes the power. Yeah. So I do wonder if maybe has been dealing with something, you look at the you know in a season where other a lot of other people's eggs of Lhasa numbers are up his are down almost two miles an hour. you know the hard hit percentage. Down as well. was you know became overly patient at times at the plate where he just didn't seem like he wanted to swing nearly as much. As he wins the past. Yeah I'm I think. We're working limited info, but it's all kind of adding up into this I. Want to be careful to construct a narrative around this piece of information but tell me where we're where we're wrong. Yell seems to kind of add up here and wonder if we'll get more information in the offseason where you know we're coming into next year where he died say something like yeah. Is trying to play through it but once we got to a point where we knew the season wasn't going to go the way we wanted it to Keno get on it. He gets this stuff on a guys all the time you know get on this right away. Please thank you. So the question is, is he going to be healthy coming in two, twenty, twenty one because now this is going to be two seasons in a row where he ends the year with an injury and we we don't know what he's looking like because he was one of those guys like he looked really good in spring the original spring training young people were like I'm back in and. I just I stayed consistent on could tell I was I was very big fan and happy to have had him in the couple of weeks that I did but it just did not work out. Because, that power wasn't there and he wasn't running and I wonder you can also kind of paint. Though lack of running into this too was not running because, hey, headfirst slide, you might put you onto a risk situation as well. So I, think it all kind of adds up there and it's just a lost season. But like you said, two straight years of of ending the season, an injury is it time to peel back a little bit with regards to tell Martin. So is ADP we'll definitely drop will drop enough to put us back as the buyers want to wait and see their. But anyway, that's mega episode hopefully that makes up for the lack of one on Tuesday. It's great talking with you as always Justin and we're back next week.

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Playoff Kershaw Is Snakebitten Again, Plus the Red Sox Are Still Alive in the AL | The Ringer MLB Show (Ep. 159)

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Playoff Kershaw Is Snakebitten Again, Plus the Red Sox Are Still Alive in the AL | The Ringer MLB Show (Ep. 159)

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All right, as has become customary, I'm joined by not one but two guests, and we'll talk about the whole of the baseball landscape together for New York City Ben Lindbergh. Hello. And from Los Angeles are max Muncie because he came in late Zach cram. Hello. So let's start with the series that started I, we'd been going American League first. Let's flip it up a little bit. The Burs dodgers have played a pair of one run games and split them. Craig counsel noted after game two, that both games ended with the time run in scoring position. This has been a pretty close series and yet very strange comprehensively. Strange. So let's start there yet really couldn't be closer, right? Because we've seen to one run games that went in opposite directions and it all has come down to the brewers bullpen being bed, but also good hitting guess the brewers hitters. Burs pitchers are good, but not as good at pitching as we thought other than Wade. Miley. Anyway, it's been. A weird one. I think the the Brandon would drift Homer of Clayton Kershaw. One of the more improbable events that we've ever seen sort of set the tone for the series and the brewers bullpen has been porous, but wait, my Lee was amazing and the dodgers of head a whole lot of bench mechanisms, which I'm sure that we will discuss. I mean, the the most for most surprising thing has to be the brand of Woodrow film run. But apart from that, I really developed a new preciado for Wade Miley game too. I, it was surprising not only his more than anything else is to way performance. I think we have to start talking about Wade, Miley in the same tones verbiage, we used to describe Shohei Ohtani nowadays after after his performance on Saturday. But it was interesting to see it was, you know, I call it on Saturday, classic junk ballers performance because it was everything just a little bit faster slower, just a little bit off one direction or the other from where the hitters expected. It. Dave Roberts seem to think that that Matt Kemp was gonna really tee off on on Miley and Miley really had camp in particular under control. And a lot of those righties who you'd expect to to really have Miley number. It was just broken bad after broken-bat and soft ground balls and soft pop ups, and it was just really impressive to see him is stay one step ahead of the competition. So that's, I mean, that's a standout performance to the point where I can't. I can't believe they lost that game. Like it just feels unjust to have Wade Miley delivered that and then lose, you know, coming into the series, I would've said that this was really nightmare matchup for my because last year round this time I wrote an article about how the dodgers were Abed fit for Dallas kaikal because those Keiko's whole game is predicated on throwing pitches outside the strike zone and getting people to chase. And I looked at selective hitters who faced Keiko last year and they were great against it. Because they just didn't chase those pitches. They took them, they walked and against aggressive guys. He tends to be really good. Wade Miley is exactly the same sort of pitcher that that was cool is. So in theory, the ultra selective dodgers who had the lowest chase rate in the majors this year should have just been able to wait him out and kind of diffuse the approach that works well for him. But exactly the opposite happened. So I guess I can just copy and paste my kaikal article into a new article on our site if we end up with another Astros dodger series, but that just shows you how much I know it's kind of an extension of majlis whole season. We can't imagine we've talked about him on this podcast before, but in eighty two innings, he had a two point, five, seven era. I'm gonna run down the leaderboard among pitchers with at least eighty innings this year as a starter. Starting at number six. You go, Trevor Bauer, Aaron, Nola, Justin Verlander max Scherzer Wade, Miley Walker bueller. Clayton Kershaw is Wade Miley anywhere. Near as good as any of those pitchers. Of course not, but he's been succeeding the whole season this after two consecutive years with an ERA over five. So I at MIT, I haven't watched too many of his starts, but when I have it's been kind of the smoke and mirrors performance where you keep expecting not to last, but we're running out of time in it's maintained thus far as so what's interesting about majlis performs this year's oppose the years passes. He's developed the the cutter and something through more than forty percent of the time this year after hardly throwing it at all. And maybe that's just the thing that allowed everything that click. You know, it's just one extra weapon to to use against opposite handed batters to keep hitters guessing. I mean, we saw so many it. It's almost like, you know, you think that the dodgers would would be be able to wait amount, but they're only human if they see something that looks like a Meatball. They're going to swing from their heels at it, and you know, David freese in the first innings really only guy who squared him up that I can remember and Lorenzo Cain had to make that incredible catch, but it was just just broke it which is broken bad after broken-bat, and it was incredible to watch just that that cutter boring in on guys and Bilje set. I mean, I think they took him out at the right time. You could sorta suspect that the gig was going to that or that the gag was gonna stop working at some point, the future. I think Corbin burns at least going into the going into the series. You think he'd be the perfect debris in right after just because of how different looking. As you by its astonishing that they lost that game. Like when you get something like that, you can't lose that game. You just can't. Yeah. Well, at least there's maybe some benefit down the road in that the brewers don't go into the series or any came in this series expecting to get that kind of length from their starter and they plan around that. But if they do get it, then at least to give the bullpen a little bit of a break, which is important because in the first game, GIO catalysed went two innings. You had to piece together the whole rest of the game with the bullpen. We know that the middle three games of the series are on consecutive days. So there's no break their game. Four looks like it's probably going to be another bullpen game. So you know that you're gonna have to stretch there. So maybe just saving a couple innings there that you didn't really expect to get from Wade Miley is a kind of victory that helps you later. Even though they would have preferred an actual victory. I don't know that that that matters as much going into an off day and particularly because if only thrown two innings, you can bring him back on short rest for. For game four, if you need to and move the rotation around pretty much, however you want to. They play in that game out, no matter how good yo gets pitching. He was only going to or three innings and gave one and they were just gonna. Let Miley go until until Craig counsel saw something. They told him to to take an out up to the five and two thirds innings he pitched. So you still have to come away with this disappointed that you didn't get more out of the bullpen and they've been at the verge of of bringing in bring in some some, the lower leverage guys. You know, they got that far out in front and game one, and they were at a point where they're starting to warm up some of the guys outside the traditional five or six men core that they've been using high high leverage. So having the rest would help a little bit, but they use burns Canadian Jeffords anyway. So I don't know how big advantages is gonna be. Yeah. And I think how Craig counsel adjust to what happened in the first two games is important, especially given that games, three, four and five or all consecutive Josh hater. Is essentially not pitching on consecutive days at this point. He I think as good as the rest of the bullpen is it just looks different in game two. When you know haters coming in, he pitched three innings and game one and dating back to the plan game against the cubs. He has pitched in five games, gone seven, and a third innings not to run struck out eleven. He is I think a clear separation between him and even the other top tier members of the Spurs bullpen. So if the brewers are planning for bullpen game in game four, for instance, you might wanna save hater for a few innings in that game. But that means you don't get him in game three or game five, really? Which matters at this point. I think you gotta throw him for multiple innings. Maybe not three innings this time maybe thrown for about thirty pitches in game three and bringing back for game five. And then you had the off day for game six and seven. I don't think you can use them in game for 'cause the way that he needs to be stretched out us over multiple innings and then rested. You know, I, I go back to GO game four and then try to do something similar to game. One may be used burns in that that long role that that hater filled up. You know, be interesting to see what they do because the a lot of my optimism about the Burs going into the series was based on, they could just take five inning chunks at a at the game with that bullpen and just lock it down. And that's not been the case so far. And I don't know how much I, I don't know that that Jeremy Jefferson's useless. Now, I don't think I've used them for multiple innings and sort of a fireman roll the the way he's been used in the first two games. Maybe try to use them a little more like a traditional closer and just give him one cleaning or one one inning with the basis clear, but I don't know how much Craig counsel feels like he has to adjust his his tactics. I mean, he knows how all of his players feel. He knows their levels of teak way better than than we do on the outside. And you know it's possible. He just doesn't have another choice. Us and he said, coming into the series like these are the guys who got us here. So obviously we're going to continue to use them. And I think that's wise. You don't wanna look at shaky bullpen performance in two games and prioritize that over the previous six months, which is how they ended up in this position. There is a tendency, I think to put a lot of weight on that recent performance, especially because it matters so much at this time of year just because as a spectator when you're watching it and someone is not going well, it's ten times more painful when it's happening in a playoff series. So you just want that guy off your screen. But I think the brewers kind of have to stick to what they're doing and you have to trust the larger sample while at the same time, being mindful of the fatigue possibility because a lot of these guys have been worked pretty hard to get here now, not all of them. I mean, the Bruce bullpen has gotten reinforcements as the season has gone on. They've got healthy knievel. They've got Soria, they've got deafened burn. So this bullpen has. Been rebuilt on the fly. It's not just hater and Jefferson just being worked as hard as they were all year, but it's looked a little shaky. I don't think should abandon what we thought coming into the series, which is that this is the strength of the team, and I think it will continue to be and there's one other good reason the other good reason for council to stay the course in. You know, even though everybody except hater and Woodruff really has looked shaky at one time or another so far, the Versi games of the series. It's one game or two games, and like you said, you can't overreact, but even if you do like the one thing that people keep saying about Craig counsel as a manager is he's a steady calming presence. And if he's changing stuff, it's gonna look like panic and that's going to like d. thing you can't do as the defacto underdog it in the series is panic. You've gotta look like, you know what you're doing at all times if you're Craig counsel. So I expect him to if he makes changes to the ordering or or his his rotation. Or or anything like that. You know, he's placed a great east prized his flexibility. You know, when he said the Charleston was gonna start game three, he's said over and over and over that that that's penciled in. He could come in in relief if the situation dictates it. So I, you know, I think he's going to lean very hard on chassis in the next few games. We could see him come out of the bullpen in game five or game. Six team started on short resting game six. So I, if there is a game six, I imagine at this point there will be it certainly doesn't look like either team's gonna take three games LA, but he's put himself. I think a good position where he's gotten buy in from these guys where they trust him, and you know for that for that reason, I don't think he's gonna make any drastic changes because drastic changes would would be bad for morale if nothing else, and there's only so much you can do. The rest are said, it's not like there's a healthy, Jimmy Nelson that they can pull out of their sleeve or something like they're stuck with the guys that they have. And the guys that they have do not constitute a great starting rotation. So this is what they have to do. And what's interesting about this looking from both perspectives is that heading into the series. We thought the strengths matching up would be the dodgers rotation versus the Burs bullpen. It's been flipped almost neither Kershaw nor you has made it through the fifth inning. And I'm kinda surprised the dodgers bullpen has held up as well as it has given the workload has had to manage it. I think I was the high person on the dodgers bullpen going into the series, but they've only given up two runs both solo homers from their lower leverage relievers, but Jansen looked good and his one appearance, Pedro Byas has looked good, Dylan, Flora's pitch. Well, so maybe that won't hold up, but they've managed to keep the brewers at hold in the late innings. I'm still not wild about the dodgers bullpen on the whole. Although I, I do feel a lot better about Janssen than I did a couple of days ago. Maybe that's just, you know, watching Jeffers walk into running Craig kimbrel, crumble in game for the division series to seeing in a league closer, not walk. The world is encouraging. I don't know what Julio aureus is doing there. I don't know at what purpose Alex would serves at this point. Like neither of those guys are eating enough innings for them to be in their sucking up roster spots. While Dave Roberts is running out of position players, if they're not gonna give, you know if they're not gonna, give him length, and those are those are the lower leverage guys that you were talking about. I'd rather have more flexibility. I asking what Caleb Ferguson gives you on slack the other day, but you know, at least he can come in and get a lefty out and then come back and pitch the next day. I, you know. Areas is looking like a wasted roster spot right now. And I'd almost rather roll with Scott Alexander role with another position player. If you know maybe carry a third catcher, if if. The the position player substitution are gonna work out the way to have well who needs a third catcher when you have emergency catcher max Muncie in reserve according to so happy. According to Dave Roberts the plan for game two. If it had gone into extras, which if not for just Turner's home run very well could have happened with the dodgers Ardy having emptied out post their bench, they're both in the plan was to have x. munti be the catcher has never caught in the majors or the miners and Richhill would have been pitching the Muncie. We would have had the fabled hill Muncie battery, which would have been fantastic. And I'm sorry that we were deprived of that. But at the same time, the fact that that was even a realistic possibility speaks to either poor rust or construction or over managing possibly, or just a confused circumstances that used up players a lot more quickly than the dodgers had planned. Yeah, I think more more the first than the second, but definitely both. I mean, when I'm glad you saw that because I know how much you love emergency catchers. Yes. I found myself when when Turner hit. At the home run to not only tie the game, but go ahead. I was silently furious because I was really looking forward to seeing how these two managers navigated the fact that the dodgers are gonna have to use a pitcher in the nightspot in the order behind Austin Barnes who can't hit righties or how what was going to happen. If the game went into extra innings deserves comebacker. Eventually we learned that hill was gonna come in like that would have shaved up to be one of the most fascinating things because you know, it invites intentional walks like, how do you? How do you get tweet to the plate? For instance, with the game on the line when you could just intentionally while Cam and get to bars, and then the pitcher, you know you essentially for the bottom half the order have one out to play with. So it's it would have been really interesting. I'm really disappointed we didn't get to see it. I think if anything, what the serious has proved sorry ban is that having no designated hitter is a lot of fun both for the strategic reasons and also because. Brandin would hit a home run and Wade Miley hit a double and had another hit. And obviously that is not what we're going to expect going forward, but it is a rather disappointing weekend for your column. Yeah, no, it's true. I if you do away with pitcher hitting, you do also do away with the Brandon adrift home run in playoffs off Clayton Kershaw speaking of which can we talk about Kershaw briefly. I know you wrote about him Michael, and we're going to see him again in the series. So I thought we should sort of take the temperature of the Kershaw playoff narrative. Because at this point I feel like we all sort of reflexively push back against the idea that kershaw's is in any way, diminished in the playoffs because we like Clayton Kershaw and he's the best pitcher we've seen, at least on a career basis probably. And I think in the past he's been snake bitten and a lot of ways whether it's with bullpen support with having to start on short rest. He's kind of gotten a bad rap. But at the same time, if we're going to criticize the criticism of Clinton Kershaw, we should also police ourselves and make sure that we are not bending over backward to excuse him for his faults. So game one was kind of. An interesting case study because on the one hand, the dodgers let him down. Yes. Monte grant hull, let him down repeatedly and got benched because of it seemingly. So everything went against him. On the other hand, he didn't really help himself. Well, he didn't have great command. He didn't really have great speed difference between his pitches. He wasn't missing bats, so it wasn't good dodgers behind Kershaw, but it also wasn't good Kershaw and at this point, I mean, this is not the time really when Kershaw is positioned to change the narrative about him in the playoffs because he's no longer the pitcher he was when he was struggling in earlier years. I think you have to acknowledge it no matter where you are, and I think the playoff Kershaw, you know, capital p capital Kate narrative is is mostly bullshit. He's one of the best pitchers in majorly histories pitched very, very well in high pressure situations, including the league championship series in the World Series in the past, and just weird stuff tends to happen to them. And you know. It's fair to a certain extent that he is so good. He's expected to be able to overcome all that. But I also think it's it's not fair to excuse. You know, he was bad on on Friday, regardless of what happened in the defense. And yet, you know, he got, he got a couple of bad breaks with Grondahl and you know, as hard times this is to be occur Shaw fan. It's an even harder time to be Yaas Monte grant fan. I'm thinking about going into hiding over the off season. If the dodgers don't get at a get out of the series. He's not the whole reason. They lost game. One in the defense is the defense probably had more to do with it, but and I expect him to be fine if he comes back and pitches game five, which everybody expects them to do. But I mean, the this was one of the worst starts of his postseason career if not the worst. And I don't think it tarnishes his legacy, but I also feel liberated this point that nothing he does is gonna matter up until he wins a ring. So yeah, I'm kinda checked out of of re-litigating this every time he starts 'cause I'm comfortable with with by opinion of Kershaw as a pitcher, including a postseason pitcher. And he's like you said, he's in a state of, and you know, Zach wrote about this on Friday too. He just sort of is where he is right now, and you know, I don't know that anybody's going to change your mind based on one or two starts. I saw him pitch against Atlanta, which was the best plastered of his career. If you look at like the fact that he went eight innings and he didn't allow run cetera. But after that game I wrote about how he succeeded in a very different way Kershaw this year head his lowest strikeout rate since the start of this decade which looks even worse. When you think about how the league wide strikeout rate is rising against the Braves, he only struck out three hitters, but because they were so aggressive, he was still able to succeed and keep them off balance. But I thought it might be trickier challenge against Milwaukee. And that's kind of what we saw game one in that entire game. He only generated five swings and misses not a single one on his slider, which is maybe his best pitch the season. So if they're able to wait him out and there were a lot of two straight counts where he just wasn't able to put them away, which doesn't look like the Kershaw were used. Two. I wonder if it's like maybe a combination of playoff difficulties, but also that while he still very good, he he isn't p Kershaw anymore against this specific opponent that rears its ugly head. I'm tired of it. You know, it's. I like, I just wanted to stop his seem with the. It's not as bad as the rod thing, but it was just. People are going to believe what they wanna believe. And I think it behooves us is as analysts and observers to just sort of be honest about what we're seeing in front of us. So you know back that it meant that he was being put in tough situations and and not overcoming difficult odds on Saturday. He just one that good. I mean, I didn't appreciate this from the press box on on Friday, but I won't go back and looking at the at the video like that pitchy through to Woodruff is getting hit out almost every time like ninety two middle middle, no movement it. You know, you can't throw that to anybody and. You know, it's funny that happened, but it's a huge mistake and defense or no defense. He's got a pitch better than that. So yeah. Well, often you can get away with with that pitch to a to a reliever who's hitting because that's fitters approach opposing pitchers. Oftentimes, unless it's Madison Bumgarner or Michael Renton or someone, you just kinda lay it in there. And usually they can't do much with it, but Brennan got a pretty solid swing. So if you do that to Woodruff I guess the dodgers if they actually have to pitch to Woodruff again in the series will probably not just serve another pitch up on t. for him. But you know, we were just joking about max Muncie the emergency catcher and at times in the series. And I know you wrote about it Michael. It seems like maybe playing urgency catcher is the only way that max he's going to get into the game. He is the dodgers best hitter this year. One of the very best hitters in the National League and in the majors for. For that matter. And yet he is sitting quite often as you showed in your article. You kinda did almost a plus minus for mex- Muncie which is not something you see in baseball all that often. But basically the dodgers have been outscored when he's not in the game and they've scored the brewers when he is in the game which of course he is only one small part of those teams that anyone time, but point as you wanna get your best bets in the game. And Dave Roberts is not really doing that with Muncie because he is adhering to the strict platoons and he's playing a certified playoff hero David freeze over Muncie in many cases, and the platoon advantage and disadvantage seems to make that make sense. But as you pointed up Muncie was just so good this year that maybe it overrides the platoon effect and you just kind of want him in there regardless. I think it does have ride the platoon effect, but even if you don't, it's close like it's not like he's two hundred points vote. Yes, battery against lefties and freezes. It's like it's like twenty or thirty. Point. So if if Dave Roberts thinks it frees is better against lefties than than Muncie is that fine? But if you're gonna do wholesale line changes like this fear to send five guys over the boards at the same time in the fifth inning, and you're only carrying five bench bats. Then I think, freeze just having freezes a body to come off at, come off the bench at the end of games is a bigger. He's more valuable there than whatever whatever defense, you know, I think freezes better defensive first baseman the Muncie. Certainly we saw that on the play. He made the got nullified by catcher's interference, a game one, which is incredible and nobody'll will ever remember it because it didn't want up counting. There are things that freezes better at or you can make the argument that the freeze is better at that Muncie. But this is the one of all the weird managerial moves starting freeze over months. He's the only one that that I will say is an, I don't know if you could hear me hitting the desk, but. This is me putting my foot down, it's wrong. They need to start Muncie because of the added flexibility that having an extra bench baggage you at the end of the game. And also I think months he's just plain better hitter. And even if the UPS lines up months, he's a better on bass guide him freezes, and just his ability to get on base is gonna do the do so much more for them than the freezes, you know, lower obe-, higher power, offense profile. So that's the, that's the one thing that eater managers done so far. The series that I just think is is an out and out mistake. So let's look forward a little bit. Do we know how do we eat? Are you guys have any idea how this have the series is gonna go it LA. I think my prior coming into the series which I think I predicted dodgers and six kind of still wear it is these first two games have been so even, but I'm very curious to see how the barrage bullpen holds up over. The three days in a row, especially with Wade Miley, who had such a great start would either have to come back on short rest or not pitch at all. And then I'm not entirely sure who pitches one of those other two games. But I also think from the other perspective, if you're going to learn something from the first two games, I think Dave Roberts has just more to learn about where he might have overstepped in the first two games. Whereas Craig counsel, like we said earlier, kind of just has keep throwing his best guys and hope it works out, whereas Roberts might have actionable aims to improve on. Like I wonder if GIO Gonzalez starts another game, does max Muncie entered a different time. I'm not entirely sure, but Roberts has been so impressive to me over the last couple postseasons that I kind of have faith in him to figure it out. Yeah, I felt much the same way as coming into the series, and I think I probably feel the same way now. I just know that I'll be disappointed if next month he does not catch in. The series now that I know it's an option, you can't just throw it out there and then not give it to me. So that's my main thing that I wanna see, but among things that we will actually see. I am of course, as everyone else's fascinated by how council will navigate these middle three games with less rest. I mean, that was kind of the key. The thing that we pointed to coming into the series that the bullpen approach is great. If you have all these off days built into the schedule when you don't, it can get a little dicey. So I am curious to see how that goes. But you know, he has Jewish Chessen who is in theory, the brewers best starting pitcher ready to go in game three, which is not often the case, maybe he's not the best matchup in the world with the dodgers because they've been successful against sliders and he's a slider heavy guy. But he also has one of the best sliders baseball. So maybe it doesn't apply to him. And then if you do go with a bullpen game in game four to some extent. Well, in theory, that should work to the Burs advantage too, because will pin games, make sense. At least on paper when you have the personnel that they do. So I think you kind of have to be happy with that split even though once Wade Miley gives you that start, you wanna win that game coming into it. I think you're okay with taking too because these next two matchups are not unfavorable for Milwaukee. Yeah, I, I actually think that that three game stretch could be a problem for for the dodgers more so than the Bruce, because at least you know, the Craig counsel is seen this coming in east, come up with a plan. You know, he has an idea of how he's going to approach this. Whereas if he'll gets knocked out early or runs up at big pitch count, game four, we've seen Roberts take hill out after three or four days over and over in the playoffs. If you'll gets knocked around if something bad happens Kershaw again, our trust would how much do you trust Soria and then you're working with the shorter bench. You know, I think we could see more junior garra from Milwaukee. Therese goes on. I think we're gonna get. They're gonna get more than a third of inning Atta Corbin burns over the next three games as bad as he looked. I talked to corden birds for the bullpen piece before game one, and he was talking about how he can't. Yes, keep himself from getting too amped up coming out of the bullpen. And I wonder if that was if that was something that bothered him in engaged to if if he was just overthrowing or something like that, but the point is the brewers have gotten between the bullpen and yelich going one for eight. They're getting less out of their best players than than the dodgers are right now, you know, we've seen big home runs by Machado and you know months, he's going months. He's reach base three times in in in five trips to the plate and Turner, obviously hit that enormous home run. I think there's more upside to the way the Bruce compla- in games, three, four, and five. And we'll see. We'll see if it's if the witch team me. I'm predictive unpredictability favors because I think there's a possibility that the dodgers having fewer trustworthy relievers as well as you know, some of those guys pitched, I don't know what you get outta areas. I don't know. Get out would at this point. And particularly if he'll go short game four, Dave Roberts is going to be in a tricky situation. I think a blow out either way might actually help both these teams to sort of reset because this whole thing is just been so tense and white knuckled the whole way through. So as much as you guys feel good about your predictions before the series, I feel good about mine. I still, I still like Milwaukee in seven. 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What do you? What do you take it out of the series so far? It kind of is similar to the burrage dodger series on my mind in that the two games have been sort of MIR opposites of the other in game one, the Astros clung to a slim lead through most of the game. And then in the ninth inning sort of broke it open against the second level relievers in Boston's bullpen. The same thing happened for Boston game to where after trading the lead in the first few innings, they were up by one, and then they were able to get to some of the Astros non Presley mccullers relievers and give Craig kimbrel enough of a cushion to survive. I think weirdly the Red Sox. WCHS should be satisfied with the split, even though they were the home team, even though they're going to Houston now, just because I think the ver- Lander cold duo gave Houston such an advantage in those games. And as we talked about in the preview pod evolve, verse kaikal is not as big an advantage for Houston. I think kaikal is the ones to vantage at all. Yeah, I think titles the one starter you can get to in the Asir tation, and if all the pitch great ever since joining Boston. So I think it's definitely conceivable that Boston takes two on lead and they should. I think, take a lot of confidence away from what they showed in the first couple of games. Yeah, I agree on paper, at least the Red Sox have already used their two best regular season starters in the series and they split. But I think in this particular series given how the Astros perform against left handed pitching the right handed pitchers were always kind of the key. And you know, you had sale who clearly we learned after his start was impaired by a stomach. Element. And as our friend Mallory, Rubin said, looked even thinner than usual during that start for now we know why, but they got through that game and you know, didn't win it. But then they come back and they win the David price start at team actually won a game started in the postseason by David price. And it's funny because price didn't pitch particularly well either, but he got an ovation coming off the mound instead of booze, like less time really solely because the Red Sox actually supported him with some offense which has not been the case during his postseason career to this point, he's had digression run support thus far in his postseason creer. And so for once the Red Sox actually hit and he left with the lead and won a game. And so now people are disposed to like him a little more, but they got through those two games and they split even though they were facing to the very best pitchers in baseball. And I agree they should be somewhat TATA's fide with that. And now they have all the. Who was my key player pick coming into the series because of his right handedness and being tough on readies his recent success in his heart throwing than they have Portillo pushback back to game four because he pitched well out of the bullpen again. So I think they have to be pretty happy with how they lineup now. And obviously it was good for them to see the offense come alive and for Mookie Betts to have his first really good game of the playoffs offensively because that's something that they can do to. I mean, we spent a lot of time praising the Astros they deserve the praise, but the Red Sox are if not as good almost as good, they can put some runs together to. I still find the Astor's offense a little bit more impressive. You saw that outburst against coal like they needed a throwing air. They needed a couple weird plays involving Marlin Gonzales. I'm going to see that that ball rolling along the top of the padding out by the monster over and over that. I mean, great for gift content, not so good. For more when Gonzales? Yeah, yeah. But I think the particularly after the way they're, yes, it's great for the Red Sox, and I think they're they're in. They're just fine right now. I think that they game three in Houston is one they can steal. And if they do that, then they just need, you know, they can lose game four no matter what and still come back and have either homefield advantage of Chris sale in all three of the remaining games and you still feel pretty good about that about that scenario. So I, you know, winning if they come back to Houston down to, oh, they obviously would have been in gigantic trouble Kazan. You've essentially used up your margin for error. I still think the most still think the scariest thing that anybody exhibited is that Astra's conga line at the end of game one. And at something that that I've talked about a lot, the team is constructed in such a way where, yes, like altuve as one of the best sitters baseball and bregman is gonna be. Top somewhere between third Nathan in MVP voting, but it's not just stars. It's every one of the ni- guy sent out there can get on base and when one of them gets going and it's almost contagious the way they just follow one after another after another, it's so hard to do is just follow up one single with another single or a Walker, a double, and just build all before before you know what they batted around by either definition and one one run lead. It's turned into a seven run lead and look no farther than than the Milwaukee series for evidence of how important that is. If Milwaukee kept tacking on either of those games, they would, they'll be up to nothing and it's the Astor's can do that better than anybody else in baseball. And it's it's less to me about their ability to come back from huge deficits, but their ability to solidify small winning margins by just tacky on the best defense being a good offense. So I still think that's going to be white. What sets the Astros apart the series? I think the Red Sox are gonna make it a lot more competitive than I think any of us predicted last week though, I will say even looking at the two teams numbers right now, like the Red Sox, even after scoring seven runs in game to their team slash line in a series as one eighty eight to seventy to fifty which yeah, all clustered in that one inning against coal. Exactly. Whereas the Astros have felt like they were threatening more regularly. It's also just been a weird series overall through the first two games. There have been more combined walks in hit by pitches than actual base hit. So I don't know if that's predictive going forward. Clearly the Red Sox are afraid of Alex Redman who has reached base with seven hundred on base percentage despite not getting a single hit gotta read out the gotta read out the slash zero zero zero. Seven hundred zero zero. Zero is remark. Qabail kind of it's one of those things where you, you see the seven hundred and you think, oh, that must be his Opie and then realize no is just as on base percentage, but well, yes to actually. But I think that might reflect something about their approaches and the sustainability of this going forward. Of course, with the caveat that it's short series and I can happen. Yeah, it's funny. You know, there's been study after study done over the decades about whether lineup balance matters whether else being equal. It's better to have your hitters distributed really evenly up and down the lineup, or whether it's better to just have him, oh, clustered together in just have a week. Bottom of the order and study after study has shown that there's really no difference. There's no advantage to lineup balance. And really in this case, you could say that all else is equal because I think the Astros and the Red Sox literally had the same way did runs created plus in the regular season. But. But you're right. It is more impressive visually and sort of scary. Certainly as you're watching and there's really no respite. I mean, especially when guys like Maldonado are getting hits for the Astros. There's just there's no place where you can really take a break. And so even if the stat said, doesn't make a difference when a lineup like the esters is functioning topped about him, it is really, really powerful and it can put runs on the board extremely quickly. And just as a spectator, you're kind of always have the sense that they're threatening there's no Christian Vasquez or or send a Leone there where you can just kinda take a break, how valuable would let's let's say average pregnant is in above average defensive, third baseman above average base runner. If he hits zero, seven hundred zero for an entire season, he'd be the most valuable player in baseball, right? I think so. I just the the impact of it's so weird. To think that it, you know, as a guy who who slugging nothing, but you know, just the impact of a seven hundred on base percentages is almost unfathomable. The other sort of hypothetical question they I wanted to get at is, let's say that bregman fly all the endgame to sneaks over the monster. I think Benintendi said it came back to him a little bit. Let's say the ashes tie it and go on to win game two. I was thinking about dancing Boris cassette when Lorenzo Cain, Dan's Amore ski runs zipped for projection system said when Lorenzo Cain robbed rod that home run ball early in game two, it had something like a five percent effect on the bruise win probability for the entire series. You know? And I'm thinking about a a similar counterfactual like if the ashes go on to win game two, how differently are we looking at this at the series? You know, is it our would the Red Sox be out of it? You know, you know, where do you feel they sit right now? Is it a coin flip? Is. Where where does this stand at? Where would it have stood? If if this was two instead of one? Well, first off, I'll say, bregman himself said he almost got it. He gave a quick after the game where he said, you could see wince white after he hit the the ball. He said right away. I knew I missed it. If I got it would have been on the street behind Fenway park. So bregman continues to to feel himself in these playoffs. But I think if you look at just how much this matters like the dodgers if you go by some of the advance win probability, metrics like Justin Turner's, homerun to flip game to from a loss into a lead, increase the dodgers odds of winning not just the Bergeres, but the World Series by seven percentage points. So if you take bregman home run and yes, that wouldn't have won the game. But I think I would have certainly given them the advantage in the rest of that game given the strength of their bullpen that would have created either similar ripples or. Larger ripples. I still think Houston has the advantage going forward. Even though I'm a little concerned about titling game three, I would give Charlie Morton the advantage of game four. I think he's a really strong starting pitcher. I'm not one hundred percent sure what Chris sale is going to bring in game five where right back at that talking point we had before the DS against the eighties. And as we've been saying, although Boston managed to get the split Houston's lineup, just looks more imposing going forward. I think they're open, looks more imposing going forward. So Boston kind of needs a couple of things to go, right? All of them to go right to win the series. Whereas the Astros can have Garrett, Cole falter, and still be in pretty good position. They can have one of their top hitter's falter and still be in pretty good position. Whereas the Red Sox right now like they need JD Martinez start hitting or that lineup has a really big hole in the middle. Should we talk briefly about Craig kimbrel who so far this postseason he is pitched in three games and he is allowed at least. A run in all of those games and threatened to allow more. So on the one hand, he is one of the most dominant closers in recent years, not quite as dominant during this regular season, but still very effective. And you know, he's gotten the save each time that he's been esta get one this postseason, but he's come as close as you can possibly come to not getting it. And if the Red Sox keep giving him cushions of three runs when he comes in, then that's great than he has a cushioned as a buffer to play with their. But it just keeps looking like his command is off. He's usually a high fastball pitcher and he's just not getting the fastball up. He seems to be throwing it more over the heart of the plate. His breaking ball just doesn't seem to be able to put that where he wants to either. And so he just keeps getting very sweaty and soaring lots of pitches that aren't necessarily getting chases except when John Carlson is at the plate. So it's sort of scary. It's it's kinda the same thing we talked about with Jeffress where. You trust the guy who got you here, but you're not feeling really comfortable watching him right now. I think the difference with kimbrel Jaffer is high. You know, as much as I like Jefferson's game, I always sort of felt like he was playing a little bit over his head the season, like he's not a true talent, one twenty ninety or a guy, and he always there's always something a little imprecise. I guess Batum and just see his fastball on his curb all the different ways he can attack hitters is just been. So it's been so formidable at has mattered all up. Jefferson's never been as good as Kimbrell and I think you can see that the difference between you know, we talked about the location, the breaking ball, like through either something last night that just like did not resemble a Craig kimbrel breaking ball. I can't remember him ever like not getting around his curve ball like that before and. Would you could see stuff like that? I think that's we don't wanna panic over small sample size stuff, but I think you could see elements Kimble's game that are falling apart a little bit and what's outscore gotta do not run the best closer generation out there for for key moments. Like I don't know what the alternative is until he actually blows not just one, but he has to blow a couple of these. I think before he stops getting the ball the ninth. And by that point the series might be over, but Kimbrell was sort of in that zone for a while where he was so automatic that I would just write off the game or whenever he came in and now he's the most exciting pitcher in baseball. I can't remember the last time I had as much fun as watching that game four against the Enke's. I look back on Ken Giles last year who ran into a similar situation with Houston where he was there closer and he was very reliable until he wasn't a, but AJ Hinch allowed him to bitch seven games last year he allowed runs or multiple runs in. Of them until he stopped pitching that was after game four of the World Series. So I think kimbrel certainly has longer leash to go. And frankly, the Red Sox don't have the luxury I think of playing around with him because although Matt Barnes and Ryan brazier have pitched, well, if you push them up in the leverage chain, then that also brings up heath Embry and Brennan. Workman who were worked in the ninth inning of game one, and that doesn't villi allow given their roster construction, any room to meddle with what's gotten them here. So they the problem is they don't have a Lance mccullers to turn into a foreign and closer righted. The daughter Rodriguez could possibly be that guy, but I don't trust a left handed pitcher going through this lineup top to bottom. He gave up the giant Gary Sanchez home run in Fenway in the the inky series and. Doesn't inspire much confidence against the likes of Tuva and bregman and Springer. All right. Well, let's let's end with this. I think we all think that both of these series are gonna go to at least six games. There's going to be at least one more travel day. If there's one series that you think will not make six games, which one would you pick? I guess I would say probably the dodgers brewers series just because I think there's more of a mismatch talent there, and maybe there's more that could potentially go wrong with the brewers strategy, which you know, in theory works pretty well worked pretty well all season long, but it's sort of a high variance approach that makes sense for them 'cause they're the underdogs, but that also means that it can go spectacularly wrong. So all it takes his one of the many relievers in their chain to blow up and have a bad inning. And that does all the good that the other guys do. So I would say that if they run into trouble with the three games back to back to back days that could become an issue there. More likely to just be wiped off the face of the earth, but I don't expect that to happen to any of these teams I would counter you for. I think the first time Ben, I'll stick with Astros because if ashes doing game three, I think they have a fairly clear pitching advantage in game four. And then you know who knows what's going to happen with sale. Justin Verlander has obviously been incredible throughout his entire tenure with the Astros and he would be slated for game five. I also wonder if like Craig kimbrel blows a save another one and the Red Sox bullpen his tax. I think they have again, just less room for for less margin for error than Astros bullpen does. Yeah, I'm almost accurate. I think the it's not that I, I think the Red Sox are more likely to completely fold than the Burs because that like everything you said about the high variance. Strategy is absolutely true, and there's that possibility. But if it if it works once they go back to Milwaukee at of those three games, I think the Astros more than any of the other three teams in the playoffs have the ability to just overwhelm to just be so good doesn't matter what what the other team brings up against them. So I think that they've got the possibility, particularly. I think they're the best team left in the playoffs and they're planning the next three games at home, and that might be reductive. But I think it fits with with all the other evidence here. So we've a moved nothing both. Both the series split in the first leg. None of us are changing any of our predictions. I don't think so. Good. Let's let's hope we learned something by by the time we reconvene later this week, but until then thanks for joining me guys, happy to enjoy the games that'll do it for this edition of the ringer MLB show thanks to Ben Limburg and to Zach cram who showed up and tried to steal my tro. 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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis [hr1]

"Hey. MAMBO. The dodgers. One away one away from going back to the World Series for the second year in a row, took care business yesterday afternoon at Dodger Stadium, five to two and Clayton Kershaw. Everybody was blowing me up all day yesterday and over now by the way, Orange County, everyone includes a certain Keyshawn Johnson who was hitting me on my own phone Kershaw was great, not good. He was great. He pitched the dodgers to being a game away from the World Series, and there's nothing to say there's no qualifications about it. He was great, seven innings, nine strikeouts. He was brilliant. Every k. I let you know. I mean, did especially Raj to you arosh we're really the two that, yeah, we were the only ones that we'd only ones in the country that felt like Kershaw was gonna get rocked and ran out and all those things. But look, he certainly pitched his way into something where that narrative of he struggles playoffs. You gotta you gotta put that in you gotta. Now push that to the back. You can't. Now you're gonna do something. I don't wanna go push that to the back to the back. He pitched to the pitch three innings week ago. This isn't. I'm not talking about what happened the car go week ago. But remember it was always about you need him in shining moment. He stepped, you need him, and that was what everybody was screaming and hollering around all he he's toast. He has done it big. He's eight. He's ERA is four point ninety nine all true. But that was what everybody who screaming and I it concentrate on today. Just worry about today. Don't worry about credit. Don't worry about those sixteen you did. You ain't got to give it to me. Oh, you, you've had fate the whole time use their use a. He can do it. You you, you held the dodger tile, you were waving it and you were the Kershaw give credit. You never got off the Kershaw bandwagon. He was not good. He was great and he was he was great. And it looked. We said yesterday, there's an argument to be made that that was the most important start of his career yesterday, and he came up huge. He was a little wobbly. At one point where loaded the bases on a couple of walks, but he got out of it. He got out of it with that with that strike out here. It is check it out set by Kershaw one at a swing dance. Dance got down at in any minimizes the damage as the brewers leave. The basis loaded. He was on the view is on the edge. I mean that if there's a hit there, there's another walk there. There's Spanair or whenever anything happens there. And I mean he was a pitch away now. I'm not trying to say I was right. What I'm saying is he got out of it. He was able to do it and he was able to do at key with strikeouts, which is something we hadn't got nine ks yesterday he was razor-sharp. He had he had a couple. He had a couple in the dirt yesterday when those bases were loaded or couple guys on base. And I said to myself, I said, if that was going back that it'd be walking in. Warns got Doug it outing shopped his knees and he was able to block it. But when you start to look at the way that Kershaw felt after he got out of the jam, he just seemed like this cruise and he was like, he felt he didn't panic. I mean, one time he threw a, he threw a curve that just barely missed it. He couldn't understand why they didn't call it a strike, but he didn't. He didn't scream uses. Okay, no problem. They missed it, but Neto came back right back with confidence, and he just dealt the whole entire day. But one of the things that they did another thing Rosh by the way market down six, four with as long as a noting that they did on my behalf, they sma- right? They stole basis vast runners. Good in all of those sorts of things was backing him up, giving him the runs support to not make him feel like he needed to do everything and put him in a. Panic situation. So when you get five, four runs, you feel good. You're up. Now the big things like ask for they did everything. Yes. Were whispering and dick Roberts here? Yeah, they gave him the big lead, but then at some point that night anyone scored that other run, I was like, oh, okay, it's fine to to get ready to happen. You know what's funny when they got the second make it five to to the good news was already already out, so you felt pretty good, but kenley comes in and boom shuts it down. Yeah, shuts it down and kenley is all right. I'm gonna say I'm a little superstitious when it comes to this stuff and fear of of breaking the spell. The fact of the matter is he's been really, really good. He's been outstanding when he comes in and it'll even say it's gone from, hey, okay, he's our guy. Let's see what happens to. Let's get him in here because he's gonna shut it down. We we've made that transition. He's back to what it was like about a year ago when he came out of the bullpen. Okay, we got this. Well, I think a lot of things come down for him. He's not. Have to worry about. That's one thing that I feel good about the dodgers this year. I feel like whether it's Boston which it seems like that's that's what is going to be. They doubt the big bullet in Colorado when it comes Janssen, meaning that they there. Go to Colorado. You don't have to deal with that. That's huge, has huge because he can now pitchy Milwaukee pitcher at home and get exactly what we needed to get done and taking care of, which is what he did yesterday. It was a as complete a game as we've seen them play in a while where the only thing they didn't do was at home runs, they got great starting pitching. They had good bullpen work. And by the way we've talked about Janssen. But how about Pedro bias bias is another guy that's just been lights out for them for the better part of a month when he comes, he still hard to watch because he takes forever. I mean, it seems like it's five minutes between every pitch. It's a, it's a tough way. It's okay. As long as he's getting dudes out. I said that about Kershaw when we had a little rally going, he was sitting on the bench his own. I was just time because they were trying to decide what they wanted to do. They were waiting. This time was up there and he was toying around like he's going to pitch. And I kept saying to myself, they should just take time that his arm calmed down a little big little bit arrest. So he could go back out there and deal much like you say, Travis dodgers five. The brew crew the Jews. Yes, that's the brew crew which to. One win away from the World Series the as Kershaw. Obviously, he showed up Rosh seven innings with only one run allowed. Three hits which much. Like I said yesterday said, if you give up three hits, you keep him in. He also struck out batters nine. Is that the most the postseason? It's a good question. I have no idea. So, but so I think probably not, but it was. It was enough. He struck out nine while only walking two, which will take all day long. But he retired, his last thirteen batters he faced which was huge to me Yossi oke we went to for to off the bench including a clutch RBI single in six inning to help the big boo. Wrecking crew build a three to two lead in the National League championship serious? Yes, all of that is true. He was fantastic. Here's Dave Roberts talking about Clinton, kershaw's performance. I think there was execution. I think he sequenced much better today. He had his arm side fastball, and I think the slider, from what I saw with the swings had the depth that we like. And so a lot of it with any pitcher comes down to execution, but you could see the same look that you always see there's a determination, and you know when you get champion like him that gets hit around a little bit, you know, he's gonna respond and that's what he did today. He did. He absolutely he showed up in. Dave Roberts is right that he was look, let's let's let's deconstruct this a little bit in the DS against the break. I was just thinking that in the DS against the Braves, there was a scenario where he was a little salty because he didn't pitch game one. He pitched he pitch game to any went out, and he was great mold. Everybody download everybody down. He gets game, one start in Milwaukee, and which is where I'm sure he believes he should be and where Dave Roberts believes he should be. And it's not a crazy proposition. Say, he should be your number one guy. He goes out there and pitches poorly does not pitch. Well, I think three inning performance and puts them behind gives up the home run left handed hitting minute reliever. The whole thing doesn't pitch. Well, he comes out last night or yesterday afternoon and because he salty from guys like me talking about how he doesn't pitch well in the postseason how he laid another egg and he's eight and he's got an area four and a quarter and all of these didn't shave. He comes out and he was salty. Again, last night he and he was good. And I wonder if he's not somebody one of those guys. He's one of the greats of all time, but that little extra something that little all show you factor that I think he brought out to the mound with him yesterday makes a big difference. It's hope he can find it in the World Series. Again, I think it's one of those things where you're. You're zoned in in a situation like this, you know going back to Milwaukee. If you go back to Milwaukee, three, two is probably toast. So you are now on the guy that everybody's looking to in the fifth in the fifth game to get us ahead a, you have to do your job because in game one, that wasn't the case. If you go out there and you throw an egg again, game five at that point, people are really going to be ready to run you out of town. And I think in his mind from conscious standpoint, he knows that he understands that he knows that in his concentration sits in, you know, it's almost like you would in as an athlete, you know, when you need to turn it on and you say, well, how come you just can't have one hundred. Turn it on one hundred. It doesn't work like that. You focus in a little bit more. The deeper things go. You watch a little more feel. You try to figure out how to do certain things and certain way better than what you did. The last time out in just gets you focused. I think that kind of what you're talking about the same sort of deal and you hear it and it sounds shade when you hear it from athletes, if it feels like it's something people say that isn't real, but I think in Clayton Kershaw sense it, it's very real. This element of being disrespected this element of being demoted this element of being not what you think in your mind's eye that you are. In other words, Clayton Kershaw fancies himself, the number one guy, and when he wasn't the number one guy when that was given to review it, offended him, you didn't say anything about it, but his actions indicate that he was put off by. He doesn't get quote, unquote disrespected in game. One of the series. He doesn't pitch well. And then last night yesterday afternoon, everybody was talking about is Clayton Kershaw the same guy in the postseason or more importantly, why isn't he the same guy? And it's one of those. Are you kidding me? I'm first ballot deadlocks inch hall of Famer. You're telling me I can't get these guys out because of the stupid month on the calendar, and he went out there any performed. And I just, I think he's one of those guys that when he. Gets a little salty when it gets a little bitter when he gets a little disrespected. He too you're, you're saying there's a little extra. There's a little bit more that he brings. Yeah, great guys, Raj new Mr.. Anaheim. Laguna gal, respect, please. All right council roll the dice in game five here how I kinda sorta almost worked. That's right. That's right. You just heard it. You can listen to all morning loan Travis in Keyshawn for your chance to win sweep. Passes the home opener. This Saturday. I'm talking about this week. Yeah, that's right. Now when you hear them magic sounder be the seventh collartoo eight, seven, seven, seven, ten years. PNC learned the number. That's right. Seven collartoo eight seven, seven, seven, ten ESPN and you could be own your way to the home open holiday too. Right? Right. Aldrin show auditors guess what? ESPN seven, ten. It's the only station giving away these tickets. So you got keep listening to win. It's gonna be a lot of Bruschi in the suite. There there some there. Some you'll want. Kogo once cold pops a few pops a few bucks. It's going to be crazy. We'll talk about the home. Are the season opener later on probably next segment. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I I can't wait. I don't remember the last time. You're always kind of fun to start a new season because there's hope you're not out of a yet. You haven't seen it, but this is totally different LeBron and what it's gonna look like yet is and it's on TNT tonight. The Lakers are gonna play, obviously Detroit blazers in Portland, but it's it's one of those deals with twenty three takes the floor. Yeah, and in everybody's going to in and everybody wants to watch and see LeBron can do. All right. So yesterday it was kind of weird when when it first happened, I think there myself I was confused for a minute to and that's like, oh, okay, I get what they're doing. So the count they Craig counsel, rose, Wade, Miley out there to pitch. Never pitched on short rest. This would have been short. Wait Miley is a left handed pitcher, so because we're in modern baseball right now, one, if the team is starting. Left-hander their opponent stacks, the lineup with right handed hitters and vice versa. The right hand of your stack. Left-handers Wade Miley starts. Dave Roberts puts his right handed lineup into go up against the left. Left-hander Miley literally faces one batter. He walked the leadoff batter. They take him out and they bring Woodruff into the game after five through five pitches. And it was designed to be like this because they wanted the dodgers to burn some of their right handed hitters. David freeze, for instance, wasn't in the game for very long, but it just felt I get it like intellectually as the exercise of trying to D.C opponent into doing something tipping his hand, a kind of get it. But it just seemed like it was an attempt to be a little too cute. Well, I think you it. It worked out to a degree, but it didn't work out in the end because they still lost a game. It may Dave half to switch up the line of changes at times, move guys around, put them in different positions. It certainly did that the outcome wasn't what they hope at the end. I just don't. I don't get why it's okay. There's not like this morning outraged did. No. It's like morning outrage that he did this when in baseball, from what I understand, it's supposed to be like this quote, unquote owed code of conduct and everybody's supposed to follow these unwritten rules. And it seemed like this would fall under the category to me where it's an unwritten rule, you know, do anything like that. Why would you while you try to do? Unlike football? Football is a trick play. Okay. Guy comes flicker, whatever you wanna call it a trick. But in baseball, I've never seen somebody trick do in his in the light of have you ever seen by noon for me? It was a new one for me. This is why I'm gonna go off on a slight Tanzania for half a second. This is why those unwritten rules are so stupid because some of them are offensive. Some of them are not. You can be offended by something that doesn't offend me and vice versa. It's all dumb. It just seemed to me that this is where guys getting a little trouble and Wade mile. He's going to pitch game six tomorrow in Milwaukee. But you just can get in a little. Trouble you out. Think yourself a little bit as opposed to saying, you know what? I want Brandon Woodruff to start. I'm okay with the bow pink as we've seen it and Smoltz mentioned it on the telecast Raji mentioned it that the Tampa Bay rays the as the Oakland a.'s. They've done this where you use labor exactly. Use a reliever at the beginning. You use an opener instead of closer using opener, but usually it's for an inning or a little bit more. This was for five pitches and they the guy, but now you pitch him, tomorrow will what's the difference. You still got a face. All the right hand hinders. Four, Dave Roberts to pull. I freeze, for instance, was in just a face lefties force, Dave Roberts to use him up into third inning. So he was state yesterday what I'm saying? Yeah, you still got to face the same guys tomorrow you get to face tomorrow on full rest is opposed to short rest and it was it was more not to protect Miley. It was done to force Dave Roberts hand. He was asked afterwards whether or not he was prepared for Wade, Miley pitching just to one batter. Well, obviously our lineup today was different than the other lineup when we face Miley. So you know, you got to prepare for the unexpected. So I like where we were, he's going to roll his line about their, he's going to do what he does. He's not gonna. I don't think caught him flat-footed. I don't think it changed a ton. It just put it this way. Had the dodgers tried to do something similar to that, not with Kershaw, you're not going to do that with Kerr show, but had they decided they needed to bullpen day and tried something goofy. Like it'd be looking at it on your trying hard. What do you think Dave say it when he first saw this happening? I Gary jozy curse. I think he probably saw it and went, all right. I don't. I don't think through them for a loop at all. I think this stupid. I think there's probably half a minute like you chicken bleep you know that I think there's maybe a moment like that, but it beyond that. I don't think it was anything other like this is Bush league. This is, you know, I can't believe it was. All right. You think you're being cute, fine. Let's go, let's play. I think it was. You know, sometimes when you're playing, it's guy, they do some cute. Maybe a catches you for having you're like, oh, like that. Okay, cool. Let's play. I think it was. I don't think it was anything beyond that. Okay. Well, I didn't like it. I like it because I just unwritten rule. Part of it to me is like the unwritten rules are stupid. This are the same ones that won't you allow you to have fun if you hit a home run. We thought we went. I thought the game was over when you hit that, like. Glance and look, I love it the way he gets all excited like that. It was gonna talk to Machado little bit about. Lackadaisical at times we all wait a minute. Someone would say on his show that is a lack of hustle and use cool with no, but but the the ball in the dirt discount the threw it over the firs-. Yeah. Like again it to, you know, take your time. You gather yourself, but he's just like everything just seems cool. It's to be cool to me. It's like that is he's starting to be too cool, but this is the way he plays. And this is the ways always. And this is the question. This goes back to when Robinson Canoas with the Yankees and they're going to the World Series and he got, he just don't run hard. He hits support. He just jogs the first base, two straight double bass, but into into two straight Nova with great talent though. Do you just kinda shrug your shoulders and say, I guess that's how do you have to do something to make them chain. He's gotta be fast enough to beat out a double play out if you hit it hard. No, it's a long run, man, but. Okay. So so now I get it not fast enough to beat it out but make an interest. Yeah, that's what we were talking about. The different baubles exchange. Running fast. Difference between hustle and just running fast. We all say stuff. I gotta take my time and then I gotta pay attention CDN watch it from a foreign to slow it down. 'cause y'all say some might just say anything, but I had I had to watch both double plays, and I'm sitting there saying. I could beat that out if he just, you know, it's like make an interesting make an interesting they're, they're the guys like Machado guys that kinda cruise like that government Kono's no. And there are there guys that play like Pete Rose and Mike trout run could be ten to one in the ninth inning, and they're gonna have grandma to second base. They're gonna go full speed. There are guys that could be afford a four in the eighth inning and ground bought a second base and Manny Machado is going to just kinda cruise up the line guys like Pete Rose at all it gritting gras right intelligence, hard knocks, Johnny Charlie hustle. Just you get what you get with a Golic Machado. He's not gonna bust it up the line, but he's also the probably the best player on the field. Every time he goes out there, it's both you, you're to get what you get George Hearn Shaw. The only guy pitcher to start consecutive games last too. Is in a poll season. Nineteen thirty in may Wade Miley twenty eighteen nineteen thirty. We really care about that Georgia great pitcher crepe in nineteen thirty. We wasn't even allowed to go to state. The cover as a double agent him just to make sure everything would be cool. It was almost like black clanton. Yeah, we want to make sure tell us just tell us what's going on talking about what's it really like when when when when are they going to allow us to just come to the stadium? You know, after weeks and months, if not years of speculation about whether LeBron was coming, if he's coming, he is here tonight up in Portland, we'll get to it next. Happy birthday to Chuck Berry berry. Wow. Ninety two. No, he would be nice. Do ninety two. He was with us today, right? It's still be ninety two, right? If fairly recently last couple of years, you're yeah, we'll go. Yeah, hid. Good run. I get the sense looking at you right now that you're not really feeling Chuck Berry only thinking about Chuck beers when I'm driving across the country, and I'm gonna diner otherwise to do it for like a burger and fries and fries shake at the web place. Let's no doubt Newport coast. We go on up. Yes, like this is where I will walk in and literally here Chuck Berry being played. He would be ninety two years old today. If he was with us, his birthday is brought to you by Jaguar, Land Rover, Newport Beach off the seventy three towards a visit Land Rover, Newport Beach dot com. Land Rover, above and beyond flavor. Shaker again, I've always been a strawberry. Perfect. Yeah. Okay. That's shaping ten years. Maybe. It's not on these drank them. If you were like fifteen a milkshake? Yes. For milk politics, ice cream, stirred up real real right, and that's it and really good sugar. Yeah, that's you know that haven't had one leader alcohol to write out like I haven't seen drinking alcohol. Mixing alcohol, turn into a seven. No. Because missing out milkshake. Yeah, of course. The all right Lakers tonight there in Portland, the God, LeBron his debut. It. It's here. I mean, we've been talking about it for years about whether or not they could get him here and then finally his, his contract in Cleveland, expires, the Lakers get him. We see all the moves that they make. They go out and they get Rondo and Beasley and Stevenson McGee and they have their young core that they've been building for a long time. We finally get to see it tonight. Kiwi finally get to see what it looks like against another team that's playing its best guys trying to win. It's here tonight. No, it is. Tonight is a great opportunity because the Thursday night football game is going to be so bad. It's a dog. He has dogs. You'll get a chance to really tune in watch the brawn. James go up to Portland and take on and. Denver, no, no. But I have fortunately I have to work after the game television, but it's gonna be fun. It'll be fun to see real live action real speed real rotation. Who's in the lineup out of the lineup. Now, mind you game one, but they'll certainly reveal in show you what could be down the pipeline coming in the next several months. We're going to start to put together our own opinions on what we liked like, okay, we like Rondo and LeBron or we like LeBron with Ingram or we don't like kouzmine with with Donald jail or whatever that combinations people, we start to figure it out. Won't just be us. It's going to be Luke Walton. It's going to be the staff and what looks right in what doesn't. And again, I've said this million times, but I think it's going to be fascinating to see how not LeBron because LeBron through two million times to Mckee was on the warriors for longtime, he's, he knows, but these new guys, the amount of attention that every single possession every single game every single everything matters. Now that you're standing next to twenty three and it'll be. It will be broken all the way down. Many points. Does he scored tonight LeBron? Yeah. Does he twenty nine? So he'll surpass Kareem and his debut Kareem had twenty seven. Yeah, I think twenty in magic at twenty six. I would probably say yeah, he'll be the. He'll be in the high to low thirties. Yeah, right around thirty is what it sounds like. I the the question of course, is gonna be how much does he play in Luke Walton was talking about this and what the minutes are going to be. Like you said, we've got four years. We wanna make sure that not only replying our best come the end of the season, but that he's fresh, I- gaming time? No, I get it. But you you start to stack minutes on minutes on minutes and you gotta. I don't even think it's Luke's job to really manage his minutes. I think it's lebrons Joe. He's gonna know when he needs time. He's going to know when he needs to catch his breath. LeBron's a master at that. I think he plays as long as he wants to play because it's it's sending a message tonight. You're sending a message tonight to one of the better teams playoff teams in the conference. So you want you want to win this game want. I wanna you know, play in, look up in take minutes away from him and get to far behind and lose. Again, you want to win this game even the first game, and they got a whole bunch of games if you want to win this game. So people can look and go who? Okay, they're, they're in midseason form. They're already. This isn't the old LeBron James with a new team. This is the new Brian James with a new team. I think you can leave him out there for longtime, he, he's going to manage his minutes. And I don't mean by when he's in. He's out. I mean, when he's in, he will manage his minutes when we saw him do it in Cleveland last year where what was one of the metrics that he was the slowest player in the league, which your eyeballs tell you? That's not true. I mean, he can still get into end as fast as just about anybody in the league player in the league, but average forty, right? Because he knows when to chill, and he knows when to go, and he's going to be able to do the same thing. This whole thing, you hear the rest of the quote. That's our goal, and it's goal to warn a journey and it's not a one year journey. We're continuing to try to be our best season by season, but also as each one goes on and obviously. He gives us the best opportunity to be at our best. The keep talking about this long haul. It's a two year plan. It's a journey over three years, four years. He's here for years. I all of that is going to go out the window. Once these games start because to your point key, they're to want to win tonight. They're gonna wanna get off to a good start. They're gonna wanna be home field for the playoffs are home court for the playoffs. They're to want to be this that and the next thing this long vision I think will go out the window fairly quickly. They got four years winning, but it's not really a real four. It's like a fake three in a real to, yeah, in in a fourth years just and I'm just going to hang out and let's see what I can do. So they certainly going to do some things as they continue to to win games in look, look toward where they're headed and be able to say to themselves, do we get better? How do we get better? And one of the things that they're going to do. They're gonna look to the guy on the other side of the team on the other team tonight to find out that guy Damian Lillard could certainly helped him down the line in the future. Yeah, no. And they wanna play together. We'll we'll get into that for sure, because I think that's really interesting, not just for LeBron Lillard but look if liberal if Lillard is coming, that means somebody else going, you know, but doesn't meet. The wrong. It doesn't mean that he's coming just means that every every single team watch I spend this every team that they play. They go take a look at somebody that's on their bench that can make them better. Yeah. Yeah, I look, I, I think one of the things that is going to happen that LeBron is gonna show up tonight and every night while here we're talking about this with Kershaw minute ago. This idea of the best at what you do and that's Kershaw and that's LeBron to I'm, I am the best at this him the best. But when all of a sudden somebody starts to lessen what it is that you do that, you know, you don't pitch willna playoffs. It's okay. Well, watch this and I think that the yet, but for LeBron has always been, yeah, he's a great player, but he plays in the Eastern Conference. Yeah, he's gone to the finals, eight years in a row, but all have been in the east and the east sucks. All the good teams are in the west. I think for him whether it's real or imagined or generated in his own mind, he part of this is I'm not here. Just to go in and play games to make movies to be an LA. I'm here to show you that the east had nothing to do with my greatness here tonight to show you that I can play in this league too, but he did win multiple championships out of the east of my right around three. So. We played a west team to beat them. Why does everybody think that? 'cause it's the east and he's now in the west that he won't be able to beat those same teams when he goes to play them whenever that is that just that whole east west thing is crazy to me a, we're, we're the last team standing and you're from the west. I'm from the east and I'm beating you the different. The difference is that if you and I are headed towards a collision collision course, we're gonna play in the fence used a and I gotta go through ten good teams to get here and you gotta go through one year gonna be of much easier. I'm seeing you doesn't matter. But I've gotten beat up Vic. I've gotten this that in the next waiting, if you going to run you go and you run twenty miles and you come back and you dominate me and Iran one, but differed, you still be you just ran twenty miles the warm up. And I sat around and play dominos all day and didn't do anything. And we saw each other and you beat me something. What differs it just like just like Marcellus was training doing. I had a few cocktails and beat him in the race and differences. Eatable. Oh, God. But it's not if you if I've run twenty miles, it's what if you beat me, if I've run twenty miles, the argument is that's the arguments will of course you beat me. I had to run twenty miles to get here. You didn't have to thing. You're fresh unbeaten. It'd be like about like you Sean. If if you twenty miles against Donna, some people in Arizona state or and I had to run into bunch of Kenyans. My role, Travis. Would quite like that, but. I know your larger point. I'll give you some later on y'all gonna laugh at that now that you brought up the Kenyans and running, you kick out a woman till you later. You can't wait. That's I can't be the teas with that. You mentioned Dame. You mentioned Lillard. You mentioned that LeBron is perhaps interested in him. What does that mean? Lakers roster. We'll get into it. Next guys have corrupted the word breathe for me used to just think the way to kind of live now means something different on we grieve. No. All right. Before we get to Dame and LeBron I need the story about the Kenyans was not really Kenyan it's it's Africa in general. So I. Omit in the bed last night, you know, tired, whatever, we're talking, whatever. So life goes, she goes guard. She goes, she she just did this twenty me or some SS street. She tells me she's gonna army kit. I said, I don't wanna know all of that with four is he goes well, would be nice for me to know the margin. She's white. She goes, it would be nice me know what part of Nigeria you're from. Turn her sit now. This is gonna. This is really not good because just because you see the gum, your wife, I could say said, no, you can't start things you cannot say and get away with on even your wife. This listening to rap music in a car, and you just feel all of a sudden just say the word because his in the music, no word Nigeria, no. The n. word in rap song? No, no, no, no. I know that before I had to stop with Nigeria was the pro Nigeria, but but the point is the fact that she just said that like and I had to tell your coaster, no told her, I'm from France. I don't look French. You think the French are from. I know. Soccer teams Pago numb to Africans? You know, it just was. It was. It was funny though because I didn't expect her to say that and Bobby bopping, good. Check me out. That's the only soccer player I know, but I hear Chris doing. So you're not from Nigeria? No. I'm not your your from your from France? Yes, Tony Dungy we'll be joined my former head coach. Tony Dungy will be joining us in studio at seven, thirty hall of fame, coach, Tony Dungy. Recent ring of honor inductee into Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Tony Dungy. Are you in the ring of honor where a Tampa. You want to. It when I go to Tampa. People look at me like Michael Myers. No seriously. If I go to Tampa and I walk in the mall is the craziest thing they act like I'm like, like devil. So funny to me. You don't have to. I'm sitting over there trying to eat at the capital grill steak house or some people look at that meeting like. Keyshawn like I didn't. I wasn't that bad. Okay. I thought we told him to go away travel. All. All right. So LeBron is in Portland, they're gonna play. The blazer kind of been whispered in talked about that. Maybe one of the guys that the Lakers and LeBron specifically would like to play with is Damian Lillard. Connor said, quote, LeBron wants to play with Damian Lillard. He's one of the guys he'd like to play with, and that's the chatter around the league. It's been since before LeBron sign at the Lakers. It was one of the many indicators that he was heading there that that would be the number two guy that would be if Damian Lillard seconds to layer easy to. I mean, it's easy number two, not, yeah. You just plug and play with him, but that would have to be a trait because I think Dame has about four years left on his contract. So it would have to be a trade of some sort, which for me I would. I've probably. Again, I think I would welcome that with open arms, but you're going to have to move. You're going to have to move Lonzo ball. He's gone. Start looking for house important. Two more years after this, you'll see two more. So I think you can get away. We giving up less of your assets for Damian Lillard, but perhaps you could get away with giving a blessed. I if I'm if I'm Portland, let's flip to the other side. If I'm Portland, I'm looking to move him because we not that he's not a great player. He is, but you only go so far that I know what I have with Lillard McCollum I have one of the best backwards in the league and that's not enough to gaining. I'm not getting out of the first Ranga I can't get out because it's not enough. So if I need to change what I'm doing, I need to go in a different direction. So maybe that's it. But here's the question. You add nameless and Anthony Davis, who knows what you can do, you know enough? Everybody Golden State does. Exactly. That's a good point. Yeah, Golden State at Celtics. Boston, a lot of guys were drafted. Got out, got kyri. They went out and got Gordon Hayward, got Al Horford. They went out to these guys. Do. You know. So if Lillard coming in that's gotta mean that lonzo's on his way out, right? I if in fact, that's the direction you're going because you're not gonna have Lillard and Lonzo. No, you can't. Yeah, you're not gonna do that. You see, I would move Lonzo Fluor. I. In a heartbeat, I wouldn't even think twice about it. LeBron's going to need that guy. He's going to need think twice about Jimmy Butler. No different different bowlers more blood and guts. Lillard is more skilled and Jimmy Butler is a really nice player. Jimmy Butler is one of those guys. That's all you know, he's going to give you everything as he's gonna, leave everything out there and Lillard just awesome. -posibly brings that range yet. Eventually need somebody like a star with rain can make shots thing. It's a better fit for LeBron personal now, wonder if they can pull it off though. If LeBron wants to pull it off, we're gonna try to find a way to pull it off how often it means the dish in by subtraction. I think somewhere somewhere trait, the same guy in the same conference aim division. I mean, not often, but the difference is that if I know I have to do it if it's something right. And if the if the most something is in the same division conference, and that's what I'm gonna. Do you give up? Give ball a peak ball in heart ball, and what. Pick is worth of the way you're going to be picking in the twenties with LeBron so. Player, but you're not giving up Ingram and I'll give coups. So what should we give MAs golf. He's already been giving something we got exiled with Angela. Say, dang and intrigued them today. Slog v I mean, who you give me disrespecting v all the time Wagner. The one you don't like. Oh, really? Slow feet. It would be the perfect fit. He, it'd be the perfect come because like Kyrie's better player than this. They're similar. What they do is similar. They can get their own shot. They got great hands. They can get to the only get around five and a half, six assists. They're both dominant guys want. See what looks like. Seems like one guy is it's it seems based on the reports that are out there that one guy wanted where the other guy was not wanted. With Lillard is wanted by the Brian James in career. Every was not wanted by the, I don't know about defining about. I think I think Kyrie wasn't down with being son by LeBron constantly and he needed to get out. But I think we'll Bron was perfectly happy having around. See, I don't think so because he didn't try to heated. Try to bridge the gap. He kind of just let it Irene re-based said trade me, or I'm gonna get knee surgery that there's no bridging that gap, but but but but because he put a gun there, there's no question about it. But at the same time, if you James and you really wanted to make it work, you use extended olive ranch. I think you could extended a whole tree in our curry, let it be Nola, hey, it was just even recently said nothing. Anyone could have done. It was just time for us chain. He just did this year with salt. And he's said, I wanna be still Celtic. He's gonna resign. But and Lillard I think is at that point is where he wants to win. He wants to win, and he realizes he's not gonna win in Portland. And the way that you're gonna win is by teaming up. This is how it works in the NBA. We see Golden State. We see what's going on in Boston. He Oakland and all of a sudden, if you put him with LeBron LeBron Dame and the red and Kusa in Ingram, that's. That's. Yeah, man. Hey man. What what you gonna do? Especially watching Houston last night, you know? And I thought Houston was the number two team Carmelo man. You keep that you're ready set already. Two minute. Wait a minute. You've been going on right around to give him a benefit. Missed it. You've missed it drives where we've argued about mellow, and that's what a guy I'm upset that I wasn't here argue about that because I feel strongly about at the opposite. This would benefit a doubt guys is the most obvious thing that wasn't gonna work ever, but it's not even as not working it just he's just, I mean, right now toast he the played one game and he already said, yes, challenging coming off the bench. One game, the has to get used to the routine, and I don't know how teed is start versus coming slower. He came in the same years LeBron right here. So this is also his sixteen seasons. I'm not, but one year. So this is his. He's already putting older in terms of like miles on his body. He's put fifteen seasons in his NBA a lot ton. How many of them have been good, not not individually, but team wise can't, but that's okay. Ron has more miles by the way because Carmelo's never been as far abroad to stand that, but I'm just saying he got a lot of miles regardless. I mean, I'm not even. I'm not even talking about Melania military mellows teams have not all been mellows fought. Okay. How how many time do that. Here's the thing in the NBA. If I have a great player, I go to the playoffs. I go to the playoffs. Look at a guy like Janas. The rest of the guys around honest are not. She, but is John is different though. Milas different Cornell young has been in the league for a decade and a half, and he's been on to good teams to one Denver team. Yep. And one Knicks team that was kinda sorta. Okay. And he had to tell the Knicks was wait. I'm coming to trade your half. You're right, but they probably not probably not as. Got one night or something. As no other players. In terms of constructing teams, you may not be wall is a great player takes team in the playoffs every year. John wall Carmel, better player and John wall. I know, but sometimes the coaches of the plays around you get it sooner. Brain coaches, sometimes it you Clayton Kershaw one, John wall coach, Eddie Jordan, the white guy from Irvine, what was his name? Scotty, Brooks Scotty, Brooks, Eddie Jordan member, Eddie Jordan, Costa wizards. But was he in. I don't think so. All right. Clinton Kershaw was doing work yesterday. Good Kershaw showed up. The dodgers are on the brink. We'll get into it next.

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The Bettors Box MLB Betting Podcast June 20, 2019

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Hopefully you've been published somewhere if you haven't put something together send it over to me and Adam at bang. Book dot com, looking primarily for college football NBA and college basketball writers at this time. But if you feel like you can put a fresh spin on any of the other sports betting markets that are out there. We'd be happy to hear from you. So we are looking for writers is will be paid per article position. So again, Adam at bang, the book dotcom via Email. Do you wanna throw your hat in the ring for that aren't? So we got the format here, a regular format for the Thursday show. We go beyond the box score down the lines couple of picks for tonight's action and then preview of the weekend, five series previews coming your way here for this week on today's edition of the show, I think, look beyond the box score and how about this Cincinnati Reds. They sweep the Houston Astros here three one run victories for the reds in this series and maybe a little bit of positive aggression here for Cincinnati. They are minus seven in pathetic and win loss record there a thirty four and thirty eight team but. Based on Bethesda and win loss. Alternate standings metric derived from run differential. They should be forty one in thirty one team. They're outscoring opponents on ear four point three, the three point seven per game on average only the rays and the dodgers allowing fewer runs per game. Then the reds phenomenal job being done by Derek Johnson. He was the pitching coach last year of the Milwaukee Brewers this year with the Cincinnati Reds, and it was a testament to what they've done here this season in that Houston had nine extra base hits in the three games of this series in a phenomenal. Hitter's park. So the reds pitching staff is just been exceptional and you know what they really battled in this series. Lewis Casteel, walked six and game one pitched around it. Only gave up two runs. They wind up prevailing three to two in that game you had, you know, Wade Miley going in that first one there against castio and. Yeah. Look, they didn't scratch out a whole lot of offense and that's been a problem for the reds this season, but did draw four walks did not get out of the game, and little bit early on on, you know, this isn't Astros bullpen where Ryan Presley and Roberto Zun a half throwing a lot of innings here so far this season. So test yo gives them some length. They do just off of Miley in the bullpen then game to Indonesia funny. It was actually better than Justin Verlander. Brunner did strike out, eight were guys, but gave up three more home runs. The solo home runs at Berliner has allowed this year. Absolutely incredible gave up a two run shot. Derek Dietrich in the first inning of that game. But it is funny. A guy with significant platoon split issues against left handed batters. Now with a couple of good starts here against the Indians and the Astros. So maybe Johnson, working some of his magic there with him, then you can't say enough about Tyler mail, and Ila, Taylor male, another guy very good against righties has simple. Tune split issues, but he goes. Toe-to-toe with Garrett Cole to give his team a chance in that final game in the series. The bullpen does hold out. They eventually prevail getting that walk off win. Incredible performance by the red starting pitchers here in this series and really by the red starting pitchers overall this season and Tanner Roark the guy going tonight against the brewers has been very, very good Sonny gray a career resurgence for him there Johnson doing some exceptional work here for the reds. We'll talk a little bit more about them later on in the program. Speaking of the brewers, they got swept by the San Diego Padres here early on in the week, euless Jostein was better in game one. But just too many deep counts in game two. Brandon Woodrow fell victim to the third time through penalty, then it game three Zach Davies with some of that regression. We've all kind of waiting for. He actually got knocked around quite a bit in that start yesterday. And you'll look for the Padres your met strong was not good in game three. He's really struggled since coming back from injury. But Joey Lucchessi and Logan Allen, both very very good to change up oriented, guys. And let's kind of an import thing you're Lucchessi. You're really fastball change. Does mix in a slider. Curveball little bit. But Logan Allen had great success with that change up against Milwaukee you, you see organizations developing certain things in their own ways, obviously for the Yankees here, you're there, completely avoiding fastballs, with a lot of their guys fastball usage in the thirty five to forty percent range all, you know, we see teams. Adding cutters the Astros and Wade Miley, a lot of emphasis with the cutter, same thing with kind of a cutter slider for Collin McHugh a pitch that was really really effective for him last season. Garrett Cole kind of throwing a little bit more of a cut fastball as well. We've see teams doing these different things and maybe for the Padres, it's the change of Luke, as he's got a good one. Logan. Got a good one Mets drum usually as a very good one. Chris paddock has a good one. That's kind of their bread and butter here and it worked out, really well for them against the brewers, and it really has worked out, well for them over the course of this season as a whole. So when you see teams that don't hit changeups. Well, you can go check that information out at baseball savant in that search page. You don't hit changeups. Well, those are teams that are going to struggle against the Padres, and we see these organizational philosophies playing out for a lot of ball clubs these days. And right now it looks like the Padres are going all in with change ups, and it was a big help for them here in this series against the brewers at the brewers here, injuring Hauser's pitch. Very well in relief, you kind of wonder how much longer that leashes for a guy like Chaz scene. Maybe they start to look more at openers and piggybacks with guys like Freddie Peralta. Adrian house or some other multi inning relief options that they do have, you know, Woodruff struggling here, wasn't a great thing. But this brewers team. Woodruff's been very good. Chessen has not Davies has overachieved. This is a brewers team that may need to get creative here as act. Davies comes back to earth. Jay Sanderson's, not an overly reliable guy. Are they player for somebody like Trevor Bauer? Are they a player for somebody like mad? Jason Bumgarner, you know, we saw them pick up GIO Gonzalez last year when a waiver deal. Maybe the brewers are very active here on terms of, you know, trying to acquire some starting pitcher help, I think you've gotta look at guys like Hauser, and Peralta and see if they can maximize their value a little bit more than they have here so far. You know for the Padres offensively in this series. Manny Machado showing signs of life friend will raise the big three run Homer and in yesterday's game. He's got twenty already. Look, they'll hit average command average velocity, but they get overpowered very easily, and that's an angle that we played a lot here from I five standpoint, you know, CIA seen can't overpower you that gave his can't overpower you Bill hit guys like that. I'm a little bit surprised that they touched up, Brandon Woodruff the third time through. But obviously the first two times through he was very, very good. Had worked shut out. Shut up baseball for four innings. That's what happens with the Padres here you, if you're below average, they can get around on. You, they can get you, if you were above average two elite, they have a lot of problems in those splits. So, you know, the Padres really very cut and dry team from ahead of capping standpoint this season. We don't have a whole lot of those to talk about here league wide. It's been a pretty strange season overall in a lot of different ways. But the Padre is very cut and dry. Very what you see is what you get. I think we continue to have success with a team like that as the season goes along the most in Red Sox were two blown saves away from a sweep of the Minnesota Twins. Rick, Portillo outduel, Jose brioche in the first game to nothing win for the Red Sox. They're Brandon workman and Hector Velazquez both blowing saves in the middle game were David price left after five innings talking about that in a minute. Then that game winds up going seventeen innings workman gave up his run in the eighth. Alaska gave up his run in the thirteenth. We were on the Red Sox in that game obviously could have gone a little bit better for us, but then game three. You in word or Rodriguez wasn't great. But the offense bailed them out. They bailed us out with three runs in the fifth for that, I five winter, but the twins only scored eight runs in this three game series and really almost played a four-game series with that seventeen inning game in the middle so that the twins are very good offense. But they've been on an at pace in the slugging percentage department and they've really padded their numbers against say, very very awful schedule. What happens when they step up in class? Well, maybe we kinda saw a little bit here in this series. They lose two out of three. They don't do very much offensively. They're lucky Michael Pineda pitched as well as he did in the middle game. Otherwise, they definitely would have gotten swept, so they get the royals here this weekend. So they do fall back against a, a lower class opponent. But when the twins step up in class here they might not be there just yet, you know burritos was very good. Pinedo was good. Kyle Gibson was not Jake. Easy goes tonight against the royals Martine Perez. The best guy in baseball this year from an exit velocity standpoint. Maybe they can hang but it sort of feels like they need to graduate to that level where they can beat these offer. Echelon teams didn't do with Boston here in this series. We'll see what they do when they go forward stepping up in class. But I thought that this series kind of played out the way, I sort of expected it to in the sense that the Red Sox did win the series. Hopefully you had a series of price ticket there. And that one, I'll wasn't the order that I wanted, but the twins regressing a little bit was something that I definitely saw now the David price thing is weird, David price, only lasted inning. And a third in his previous start did not pitch. Well, only when five innings here and got pulled after seventy three pitches now you got seven innings turmeric porcelain game one. So I guess I understand Alex Cora airing on the side of caution protecting David price a little bit. But you couldn't push him through a sixth inning when he was so. Fish through the first five seems weird to me. I, I don't know if there's something under the hood, something under the surface if he's just trying to protect him here, because, you know, price did have some arm issues in the second half of last season. But what happened is that he wound up putting eleven in a third innings on his pitching staff. And obviously you don't anticipate that you don't expect the game going seventeen innings but keep an eye out for this, because the Red Sox have some guys pitching and high leverage that don't normally do it that haven't really done it that much up until this year. This bullpen has been a pleasant surprise it has been very good. But I think Boston needs some reinforcements here largely from a depth standpoint. So we'll see if this bullpen can hold up its end of the bargain as we go forward here, but you certainly want to look for a little bit of attrition over the next couple of weeks with some of that heavier workload with price leaving early with Portillo being inconsistent. I, oh with Chris sale, so not fully, we'll get like the Chris sale. We all. No. And appreciate keep an eye out for that with Boston, whether you do it from a live betting standpoint and over standpoint a team total over against point, something like that keep an eye out for this bullpen lotta guys working a lot in high stress situations that aren't necessarily used to it. So that's something. I'd be keeping a very close eye on with the Boston Red Sox here as we go forward. Just a handful of bullet point zero to finish up the beyond the box score segment, the Rockies offense staying hot fourteen runs in the two games against Diamondbacks for them. But Trevor story now going for an MRI on a thumb, Ian Desmond's been great since may first Dale Murphy's hitting Charlie Blackmon hitting keep an eye on that story thing because he hurts them offensively and defensively if he's not out there, but this Rockies offense has stayed hot and maybe a commentary on the Diamondbacks as well. They overachieved on the pitching side, a fair amount here, so far this season. I do not trust their bullpen at all. What so ever at this point in time? Up at the Rockies, you know, big story here with their offense coming around, and, you know, they probably need it with some of the pitching concerns that they have the cardinals offense there they in the tank shutdown by Elliot's or Hernandez, Jordan Yamamoto, and then Trevor Richards, will sift. They hit that gallon today making his major league debut what they don't hit right handed starters. Well, they kind of become like the Padres in that regard, especially if you've got a breaking ball, yellow Moto really shutting them now with the curve ball Richards has that change up. If you've got a plus off speed pitch or a breaking ball, and you're right handed the cardinals have had a lot of problems with you over the last six seven weeks here. So definitely something to watch much like, what we talked about with the with the Padres much of what we talked about with the Indians, guys throw changeups if you've got a, plus or a plus plus off speed or breaking ball, from a right handed arm slot and you're facing the cardinals you can have success in those matchups. So. May look the prey on that a little bit more here as we go forward Richhill leaving hurt for the dodgers after one inning yesterday essentially back to back bullpen games now for the dodgers the Julio areas Caleb. Ferguson piggyback tonight eight innings from the bullpen yesterday hill took himself out of that game. So we'll see if it's a blister issue or something else. But obviously the dodgers deepest team in baseball all the way around here, so far this season. But it's certainly like the see Richhill having some better health fortunes, speaking of injuries wholesale. Two bay back for the Astros, Giancarlo Stanton back for the Yankees, Aaron judge back for the Yankees tomorrow. Those teams ironically enough face each other. This weekend watch for the line adjustments. I've talked about a lot of instances where a players on the lineup from an injury standpoint. And we see a line move against that team because the modeling crowd feels like the oddsmakers haven't properly put that injury into the line. Now let's see what happens as guys, come back. I think it's interesting because I don't think that they account for a player leaving as much as they should and I think they overvalue a player coming back. So let's see what it looks like here in this first when the Astros in the eighties, because a lot of people believe it the Yankees at full strength. You know, one eight to the Astros in the American League looks like tonight's line was a little bit high with framer Valdez, and Chad, green. But I'm really curious to see what happens here as Aaron judge. It's back in the lineup and of course, to keep in mind when these guys are important hitters to get back. It may take some time for them to get their timing down for them to get reacclimated to facing major league pitching because there's nothing like it. No rehab assignment can prepare you for what you're going to see if the big league level. So some of these guys may struggle early on coming out of the gate. One other quick thing I'm gonna touch on here beyond the boxer and we'll finish this up on the Indians offense really coming alive. They got shut down. By Lance Lynn game one. He's second in at four fan, grabs his calculation of war for this isn't which is absolutely mind blowing, but big efforts, the last two days for the Indians offense that police act pitching well in a tough road environment and input co not great in his four and a third, but you obviously did pitch a little bit of a lead there. But regression from this Rangers offense, assuming I've talked about quite a bit here since Joey Gallo went down and really over the last four or five weeks for this Rangers ballclub. So keep an eye out for that. I starting pitching has greatly over achieving, I think the offense is going to become more of a concern as it moved forward here. So keep an eye out for the Rangers probably a pretty good fade team as we go forward here. All right. So let's go down the line. So I about some line moves dating back to Monday really not a whole lot on Monday with their wound up being a big move on the Mets that stuck around in the Zack Wheeler versus Mike sirocco match up the Braves did win, but it's been. In very rare to see significant line moves that don't come back at all. That was one of them, and there have been a few here this week of thirty five forty set line moves that haven't come back. I was in a lot of scraping and scalping out there in the marketplace of lines, moving fifteen twenty cents an open, then they come back ten or fifteen cents over the course of the day. Well, there've been some line moves here this week that have actually stuck where the line just hasn't come back. Those are beams, you really wanna pay close attention to because the expectation would be those pitchers those pitching matchups. You know, we're going to see continued fades or money on those guys. We were looks like a by guy right now. And sirocco looks like a fade guy. So you definitely want to watch for those things out there in the bedding markets. We also saw big move on Patrick Corbin that stuck around, but that game was postponed on Monday night, Tuesday was awesome, heavy Jacob degrom money on the Mets against the Braves. I would expect that fate of Julio Tehran to continue. Hey, Ron's pitched very, very well over his last six or seven starts, but unsustainably. Well at that very low bandwidths very high left on base percentages on. It's not expected to continue for him. So the market's going to fade Julio Tehran probably over the next three or four starts, I would say unless he has one of those big stink bombs gives up nine runs something like that. That sort of puts those numbers back into his usual range, but look for money against Julio Tehran here this weekend in his start than also over his next few starts very heavy Jack Flaherty money came in against the Marlins, and Jordan Yamamoto Yamamoto dominated the colonel's lineup once again doing the exact same thing he did in his first major league. Start clarity was not great. But he was a little bit better. But still, a guy that just hasn't been able to put it all together here, so far, this season saw some pretty substantial Merrill, Kelly money, come in against the Rockies Antonio. Oh, sons of Tele since the Fayed guy he allows a lot of hard contact. I expedition was that the Diamondbacks would take advantage there. But they didn't they lost that game. Eight to one Merrill, Kelly a guy that allows a lot of hard contact as well. I think part of that was fade of the Rockies and the historic offensive weekend. They had against the Padres, they've happened to keep it going here. But I do think that the Rockies are probably fade team market wise going forward because people will start to play against that offense. And the, the numbers that they've been putting up here recently kinda look for these little week long things in major league baseball where you get a really significant outlier. You know, a team that goes on a tear runs the scoring position scores. A toddler runs. The market will play against that they'll play against that perception of play against those line adjustments. Seems like we kinda have that a little bit here with the Rockies who also were faded in today's game. Oh a Jeff Hoffman going up against Robbie. Ray saw some pretty heavy Brandon. Money in that game against the Padres and Logan Allen that backfired like the move made sense. We had the brewers I five on the run line. They wound up getting shutout loss that I five to nothing but, you know, the brand would have money made a lot of sense in that spot in that series against the Padres on the brewers just didn't give him any offensive help and the third time through kind of caught up with him. Then they're one of those big line moves in held steady heavy money on Jay half and the Yankees against Ryan Stanek in the Tampa Bay rays. I think the Yankees will get steamed a lot here. I mentioned with Stanton and judge coming back on the expectation here that this Yankees team at full strength deserves to be a big favourite and a lot of its games. I agree with that sentiment. And I think we will see Yankees money pretty regularly here over the next little while maybe not this weekend against Houston. Who's obviously still a very good team. But when they take on some lesser opponents or some regression kid, heavy Yankees. Money is my expectation in the marketplace. David price looks pretty big Red Sox money on Tuesday and that start against the twins. We had the c o V just not the result. Curious to see what David price is line actually looks like in his next start because getting pulled after five innings is a big red flag. A lot of people were on that game. A lot of people were following that game. Saw what happened in that game? Will we see the same love for David price in his next start? I highly doubt it but obviously want to see who the opponent is. And how things are kind of playing out their heavy use AAC coochie money for the Mariners against the Kansas City. Royals and Homer, Bailey, the royals are awful against lefties, but did manage to take two out of three in that series against the Mariners. So my apologies. If you took the serious price on Seattle, probably got some line value there with some of the line moves in that series. But the Mariners only able to salvage Wednesday's game very heavy fate of Daniel Norris returned on Tuesday, and you I talked about this with. Daniel Norris against the royals and Danny Duffy in that we didn't see that move against Norris. They wound up winning that game. He pitched pretty well here the Tigers did win that game but money against Daniel Norris and pretty substantially at that. So then keep in mind that these guys to get faded all the time, and then all of a sudden, there's no line move, or there's a light move on them. Those are games that you probably wanna pay very close attention to Wednesday. We saw very heavy max Scherzer money against Jake Arrieta, hardly surprising there in the double header. We're supposed to pretty heavy that grantee money as well against the Rockies getting the market looking to fade. The Rockies offense off of that historic week. We eventually saw simply snow money in his starting at cici's Tabatha, and the Yankees, wasn't very much so and Samatha as the market has faded quite a bit over the last eighteen months or so. But that's been on hold over his last two starts blink snow didn't make out of the first inning. And I talked about this in my right up at the book dotcom yesterday that there must be something more to this, because we've seen a lot of Blake's snow money, come in over the last little while hasn't happened in his last two starts. So I dug a little bit deeper and I mentioned I was going to try to look at this on Twitter. I will include this in the article prior to Snell's next. Start. Like snowmen Meg out of the first inning in that start since may, I the spin rate on snow's, curb all two thousand four hundred thirty eight RPM. It was two thousand five hundred seventy RPM from the start of the season to April thirtieth. Now he did miss some time. Something fell on his foot. He broke his toe since coming back. I don't know if he's hurt. I don't know if it's a mechanical issue, but it's one of those things where and I've talked about this before when guys get hurt in April, you know, they do all this work in spring training. All this stuff to build their arms up in the month of April. Then they get hurt kinda throws you off a little bit. But as we look at Blake Snell here since the start of June, the spin right on his curb all two thousand three hundred thirty three RPM. So in the first month of the season, it was twenty five seventy it's twenty three thirty three. Over his last ninety seven curve balls. There is something wrong here and I wrote about this on Monday with regards to patch Corbin and the decrease in his spin rates as well. One of the most immediate injury indicators is a drop in spin rate. So maybe this is mechanical for Snell. Maybe there's something that hurts that he's, you know, chances mechanics to try and throw with as little pain as possible. I think Blake snow is hurt. I think Patrick Corbin is hurt despite the good start that he had yesterday. But spin rate is a pretty good indicator of injury. And for Blake Snell, it's down dramatically on his curb curveball. It's also down on his fastball. Twenty three eighty four RPM in March and April twenty three seventy one in may twenty three fourteen here in June. Something is wrong with Blake snow. No, I don't know what the line actually will look like going into his next start, but I can tell you. That I'll probably look to fade him, whether it's an over or going against him because there's some sort of injury, indicator here. And when you talk about pitching with an injury, you talk about a substantial decrease in command, and that has been the case or Blake sell over his last few starts now. Obviously, we'll see if the raise their proactive and put him on the I L, but this big spin rate, decrease is a major red flag to me, it's a red flag. With corbin. It's a red flag would Snell. I'll try and see if there are some other guys that are out there. You know, obviously again you wanna look at the results and see how these guys have fared, then see if it is a spin rate issue, or if it's something else. But wakes, no right now looks like a guy that you absolutely, positively want to avoid or wanna look to go against. Very heavy angels, money came in on Wednesday on Andrew Heaney, once again, lot of line moves on Andrew Heaney. This almost against Aaron Sanchez and a Toronto Blue Jays saw Garrett Cole money, lather rinse. Repeat, we see Cole money every time he takes them out. Very, very heavy money on Trevor Williams against Jordan Zimmermann. The Tigers have very right. Headed heavy lineup Williams dominates those. But both of those guys were coming off of prolonged since on the injured list, very surprised to see that line shoot up the way that it did the pirates did alternately win the game but Trevor Williams was awful got hit around very early in that one. So bit of a lucky maybe wrong side winter for pirates backers there, but that was one where they substantial wine. Move. Always up Patrick Corbin take money against Jake Arrieta the to postpone games. That was that F one take money into game. That was actually played so a lot of area. Fades out there keep an eye out for that. But I get I documented those Patrick Corbin concerns earlier on in the week exit. Velocity up spin rates down on not a whole lot of command now four Patrick Corbin, but did pitch well enough in yesterday's game to come away with that victory. Thursday. We're seeing money on Nick pathetic, and the Phillies against Eric Feddie internationals like fully expected this, I waited until this line with down and did decide to take the nationals here offense. They've been much, much better than the Phillies preventative guy that has underachieved relative to preseason expectations fed. He's not great. He's regression candidate. But I'll buy on the nationals offense here in tonight's game. But that was a substantial line mover Panetta ERA to exit discrepancy symptoms. Perfetti on the negative aggression side. So we see that line move there. See a fate of Shane Bieber today against Mike minor, and the Rangers. Lot of anti Mike minor sentiment out there in the marketplace, that's been put on hold today, a lot of hard contact against for Shane Bieber. Big article from e-e-e-e-no Sarah's at the athletic today about Bieber again when you see these guys, the market's betting against all the sudden take money should sound those alarm bells in your head g go to really taking a lot of money here today. For the twins. They're back playing stiffs. They take on the royals in Kansas City, Royals off that trip against the Mariners had some long travel out to the Pacific northwest as well prior to that series, but owner, easy now up into the two dollar ranches a very heavy favorite against Glenn sparkman, who has an X Wilmer regression candidate are along with that nationals pick here. Also get the first five under in the raising as get this one as quick as you can. I it was it was four this morning. I think it closes three and a half long road trip here for the raise off that Yankees series. I don't expect anything from them offensive against a very tough customer in Frankie, montages, and Charlie. Morton goes for the race then I, he dominates right handed batters the as have a lot of right handed batter. So under four four the first five gets down to three and a half. I obviously, don't like it as much three and a half plus money as okay? Three and a half minus. Oh, five. I don't love as much. So get this one as early as you can. Because I think this total. Comes down to seven and the first five down to three and a half if it hasn't already I've been doing the show and doing the notes. So I haven't checked on that one, but, you know, I, I would expect both of these offenses to struggle, if it goes down to three and a half the full game under seven make some sense here for you as well. All right. So what am I looking at here for this weekend? Well, the Astros, and the Yankees friend Valdez, and Chad green tonight jaggery in the opener Nestor Cortez, the bulk reliever Friday, Brad peacock, and Brad Paxton Saturday. Wade Miley and master hero Tanaka Sunday, Justin Verlander and j half. I don't know how this isn't Sunday night baseball. That is instead the angels in the cardinals. But Aaron judge back tomorrow Jose altuve, may back Giancarlo Stanton back should be a great series here to elite bullpens. I expect we see Masahiro Tanaka money on Saturday. Our righty against a right hand and heavy lineup. Fade of Wade Miley has been a pretty regular thing out there in the marketplace. And I would. Expected, total of move off on Sunday as well with Justin Verlander and his home run issues against Jay have and all the problems. And he's had at Yankee Stadium angels. Then the cardinals here for some league action Griffin, canning, Michael Walker Friday Felix pain, ah is listed as the starter for Saturday. I would probably get an opener here against the coda Hudson, and then Tyler Skaggs and miles nNcholas on Sunday. Getting this is Sunday night baseball both teams off on Monday. So no situational spots. I'm kinda curious to see how the coda Hudson is handled on Saturday. Obviously, the opener could throw a wrench into this game. But, you know, he's pitching very well, but he's not a guy the market has a lot of respect for some very curious to see how that line moves on Saturday. I think the line moves on Friday on Griffin canning against Michael. Wocka. I'd grab this one on the overnights, I'll probably end up liking canning on Friday. And the article on, of course, we'll see how much that line moves. In the meantime. Padres and the pirates. Eric lower Joe musk grove on Friday. Chris paddock, Chris Archer Saturday, joy Lucchessi Stephen brought on Sunday. I don't know. What's up with Joe muss grove? The stuff is good the left on base. Percentages, not, he's the guy that should be much better than he's been could be a first five play there on the pirates against the Padres on Friday. And I Chris paddock back in the big leagues. You know, the, the contractual control circumvention by the Padres of well, we're going to send him down at limit is innings. No. You're going to send him down in a void his super to status. So he's backed up. I'm sure things have dramatically changed with him. Stephen broiled on Sunday. The Padres do get a lefty there in that one. So that may be a good opportunity for them. Reds in brewers ten or Roark Jimmy Nelson tonight sunny, great chase Anderson. Tomorrow, Luis Casio US seen Saturday. Anthony, these funding Brandon Woodruff on Sunday, five of the six previous meeting or for the five previous meetings between these teams this season have gone under the total. Derek Johnson, of course, the former Milwaukee pitching coach certainly knows the personnel there for the brewers both on the pitching side. And on the offensive side. Now, he's the reds pitching coach could be more under understeer in this series. But I do wonder on Saturday, if it's a good time to fade Louise's Casteel, you'll had the six walks against Houston pitched around. It been kind of a regression guy throughout the season, here could be a good spot the plan, over on Saturday in that Castillon seen matchup finally one more series, take a look at here. The Braves and the nationals, you've got Dallas kaikal in his Braves debut on Friday. Got Stephen Strasburg Mike Fulton average Annabel Sanchez on Saturday. Sanchez was a brave last season. Then Sunday, Mike sirocco and Patrick Corbin intriguing match-ups all around you all the nationals offense swinging it very well. I the national state money and all three games here. They've taken money. A lot against lefties, Dallas, Tyco is a lefty, Fulton evidence to guide the market doesn't really love sirocco. We saw that fate of him earlier on in the week here. I didn't we could see nationals money in all three of these games. I do the nationals. A little bit from a serious price standpoint. They are playing pretty well right now, animal Sanchez, great from contact management standpoint, like Fulton. Ev it's not so much getting there are some concerns that I have about Patrick Corbin. His spin rates is essential injury situation. But I do think that the nationals take money in all three games of the series here, and obviously, it's a big series for them. Now they're making a push in the National League east, as I mentioned, we'll talk with Christian Pena onto or on tomorrow's edition of Bloomberg radio about this weekend's, you have see event. Bettors boxer turns on Monday. We'll see if we have some additional content for you, as I plan out my week for next week. I'll do it for me. Thank you so much for listening, everybody and remember that you will never strike out when you're in the better spock's tiger thinking something's free. Only defined. There's a catch at Atlantic Union Bank are free. Checking is really free. 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The King's Debut

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24:05 min | 2 years ago

The King's Debut

"If you're a smoker, you know, switching isn't easy. You've tried vapes Andy, six, they just didn't deliver the satisfaction. You expected jewel is different. It's not an e cigarette. It's vapor product that actually satisfies plus Jewess simple to use and there's no cigarette ash? No lingering odor as a smoker. You expect a certain nicotine experience, right jewel delivers give jewelry. Try check o. j. u. l. dot com. Slash sports switch and be satisfied. Yes, you can do both warning this product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical opening night for the Lakers. LeBron James brings expectation. I have arrived. He's taking the ball for Miley. That's we're going to do all along. Are you aware of this report accusing your team of stealing signs. Chuch. Resort of the day with too many cameras in the park. The most iconic picture sports photography came to me only a few seconds before the power of the fist. What you see change your perception, Abby sporting events. Welcome to outside the lines. I'm kief agin sitting in for Bodley LeBron James Tinseltown is today's big story from studios e one hundred ten days we've known James first meaningful game with Los Angeles would be tonight. And now here we are day three of the NBA season, but day one of next generation Lakers a first look at what this team will be and how they might impact the league on display in just a few hours. And here to provide context ESPN, India reporter, Dave mcmenamin joins us live from Portland, Dave. What does signify for LeBron and broader for the league. Well, it's a new beginning for LeBron and we've seen him go to Miami and have the second chapter of career return to Cleveland have the third chapter and and this is the fourth, if not perhaps final chapter of his career that begins tonight. He got into the arena year motives center about ten minutes ago with his Lakers teammates here did prepare for shoot around this is a home away from home game for him a little bit because yes, such that deep ties to Nike and that's located right up here. And he has many colleagues here that will be in the arena to see him play. But this is the first step of a very curious scenario that he's put himself in. This is unlike the teams he played on the last eight years. Those were super teams. This is LeBron the super player with a bunch of young guys trying to establish themselves. Yeah, there's so much difference around tan, but how do you expect LeBron James to be different in LA. Well, I mean, certainly, this is not a stark difference in terms of all the sudden he's going to be doing things away from the basketball court with Springhill entertainment with uninterrupted with Space Jam to that, but he will continue to do that. And we will see more often than we saw in the past. So that's one change one difference for LeBron. And then also LeBron has said to me several times over the years that his worst quality is his patients. He's an impatient person. We'll guess what if he doesn't work on that, he's going to have a hard time this year, relying on the twenty year old Lonzo ball, the twenty one year old, Brandon Ingram, young guys like Josh heart and calc who's MMA. He's going to bring some patients to the situation in order for everybody to keep the positive momentum that the Lakers organization has felt these last one hundred ten days since LeBron committed to them. What does success look like for the Lakers this year? Well, certainly making the playoffs. It's been five years since this franchise tasted the postseason and that is a drought of historical proportions for a franchise like the Lakers has sixteen banners hanging at Staples Center. So certainly getting there and that's tall task in the Western Conference. Of course, Lakers thirty five wins last year. They're going to get around fifty to make that goal a reality this year, but LeBron James should be able to count for that if he's on the court and stays healthy. And then beyond that, figuring out which one of those two or three or four of those young players just mentioned to you that the Lakers keep as part of their program moving forward or do they have to start looking at at trades to get this team up to championship level because as much as LeBron has contended against father time for so many years, he turns thirty four December. This is year number sixteen, that championship window can't be that long. They need to figure this stuff out in terms of the next steps they wanna make in the summer of two thousand nineteen when they have major cap space in order to be able to sign another max guy like LeBron all right, there's breaking news coming out of the g. league part of the NBA that they're offering what's called the professional path where guys who don't want to go through college and they're not yet eligible for the draft. We'll get one hundred twenty five thousand dollars much higher than the g. league was currently offering. We've only got fifteen twenty seconds day, but I want to know anything else that you can add about what that program is about. Yeah, this is a coming on the heels of, obviously the FBI investigation NC double a. and the corrupt nature of college basketball right now, I think it's a positive step. I'm not so sure how realistic it is because there's probably people still being paid more than that while playing college basketball while getting that hype machine and the marketing surrounding them and put himself in a better position when they enter in the NBA. Thanks, appreciate it. Grind Dr. Phil Benintendi coming on and then he make the catchy. He can't. It. I just went head over heels in my chair, just filled in. Oh, wow. What a catch by Andrew Benintendi. October baseball means pulling out all the stops and our postseason teams are living up to the requirements on Wednesday night, much to the dismay of baseball. Purus the Milwaukee Brewers pulled starting pitcher, Wade Miley after five pitches a violation of the games unwritten rules, said many across the other league. The Houston Astros have been accused of sign stealing another violation of the games unwritten rules. The discussion rages. Offer. Some perspective is John Farrell, Spion baseball analyst manager of the World Series winning twenty thirteen Red Sox. John. What was your reaction to the brewers pulling Miley after by pitches? Well, I'm sure surprising to all their watching the game, but I will say the new norm in baseball major league baseball is the opener. The pitcher that begins a game. I think it's interesting to note that the brewers within their pitching structure have regarded their relievers as out getters not setup, men, not closers. So we're seeing a certainly a shift towards the way pictures of being used. This is probably to the extreme that Miley only goes five pitches yesterday. He's going to start tomorrow and game six. But I think it's comes on the heels of game forward. Dave Roberts was willing to pinch hit for David freeze in the third inning. With his number three hole hitter that in and of itself is a major shift. So he's trying to get their appropriate matchup Greg counselors, and that's where the ship came so early in this game. So as a former manager, can you take in. Inside what the actual ramifications are of doing something like that? Well, I think on the surface, everyone we will say way my least probably surprised as well. But what it takes is communication from spring training and how they're going to run certain situations. There's got to be buy in from the players. And I think when you saw Wade Miley leave the dugout yesterday, there was a conversation between and great council and it was clear on my lease face that he was involved with the decision of this all along. So it was not a surprise to him. So the player by his key when you take this approach. So what's going on in the other league with the Houston Astros maybe possibly spying trying to steal calls up in arms? Should we be about something like that? I think what you're seeing is how technology is changing the day to day operation at field level or or even in certain cases through the organization. I don't know the ins and the outs of this particular case, but as instant replay has been brought into the game, it has opened up many possibilities in many opportunities for player. To steal science steel science dealing has been part of the game since its inception. So this is the maybe the theme of science dealing is not new, but how they're going about it certainly is. I think for someone like me who hasn't played baseball, I might not quite know what stealing signs, what huge benefit or small benefit you're actually getting aluminum a little bit about what the benefit is and the like, how high or low that benefit is certainly. Where we see it most common is when there's a runner at second base, he's going to relate to that hitter in the batter's box where location might be away from him in from him. But with the advent and the incorporation of instant replay. Now we're getting into the actual pitch calling because there's a decoding of signs that are being relate from the catcher to the pitcher. So when you have an idea of what exact pitches coming in ways to relay that either with footwork hand signals from second base, that takes a lot of the guesswork out of it. And you see a spike in performance with runners in scoring position. So the play that you've probably seen one hundred times by now in the first inning of last night's game, the homerun called fan interference. What was your perspective of that call? Well, I had the benefit of watching on TV. Joe west does not. He's gotta make his call in the moment in real time, but that's why instant replay has been brought in. The call was wrong. If you ask me this is not the Jeffrey Merrick as of nineteen Ninety-six when he's leaning over the wall in New York and avoiding the catch by Tony harass. SCO, once that ball breaks the vertical plane of the outfield wall, which in this case it does Mukhi bets who's a tremendous athlete, the ability to jump and you win in the stands. One set Bal breaks a plane. Now, it's free game. Every fan has a an opportunity to catch that ball. So it broke the plane. All bets are off that was not interference. In my opinion, we've got about twenty seconds. So what do you say as manager to your team right after that coffee or the Astro? Well, you know, it's this point in time. The season guys are plates along were calls, have gone against them. What I think the Astros did a tremendous job at instead of it being to in the first inning. They fought back and took the lead so it didn't have a lingering effect. They didn't make an excuse and I compliment AJ Hinch on his post-game comments where, hey, that didn't cost us the game. It's that early in the ballgame. So they showed a lot of grit. Lot of perseverance. These are two extremely talented teams and one call is not going to change the outcome of who goes to the World Series or not. Georgia's our noble or they're on their way to LA come on us to this week's almost Angeles chargers home. Down low seats vacant again at a stadium. The chargers have already downsize does not care. It's something that we suspected this is worse than anybody could imagine. The chargers have been in Los Angeles for little more than a season. Well, it hasn't exactly been gangbusters on Wednesday sources told ESPN, Seth wicker sham that the teams expected to revise its revenue goal from four hundred million down to one hundred and fifty million, and that the chargers long-term viability in LA was the topic of discussion at this week's owners meetings in New York. Currently, the chargers are playing in the twenty seven thousand seat, stubhub center. Then you would less than half as many seats as most NFL stadiums. The team doesn't even fill that stadium and many of the fans who do show up are actually supporters of the visiting squad. We are now joined by the NFC did senior NFL writer. Jason read Jason. What is this news about the chargers mean for their future in LA, but it's most likely not sustainable for them to be there long term. I mean, Kate, this really isn't surprising. You talking about a team that was in LA and its obsession in nineteen sixty. And then they moved away to San Diego for fifty plus years. There's really no history there. The calculus for the Rams going back was that look, we've been there. We have history there, and if you have a great team in LA, people will come. The team is winning right now, and it has a chance to obviously make the playoffs with words position. But clearly there isn't that bond with the city or the surrounding region, I should say, and it's just probably not sustainable long-term. Take us inside the discussion. Owners are having about the chargers right now that owners meeting well, you have the PSL's and if you can't sell those, if you can't generate the type of revenue, those that that the NFL wants you to. Well, now you're in a real hole because nothing else really is going to moving forward anyway, put you where you wanna be. So what the owners are looking at as our colleague. Seth Wicca sham pointed out is that they're looking at Ken this work in a way it benefits not just the charges, but the league long term. And the answer right now. Obviously they don't want to get to that point where it's the final decision right now. But the clearly right now is probably not. It's only been a little more than a year, right? So there certainly are things that the chargers can do to up their fan base and the way that city feels about them, what are some things that the chargers can do to turn this thing around in LA we'll Kate when you talk about from a marketing perspective? Yeah, they're always things you can do for marketing perspective in terms of how you try to reach out to groups in LA to try to increase your fan base, but if the PSL's aren't working and even if you're winning and they are winning right now, but even if you're winning, you're still not getting it done. Really the amount of marketing outreach is not going to create the type of poll that you need that there's so many things to do in l. a. Kate having grown up there and attended college there. It's such an incredible reason because of the climate year round and you have the Lakers and the dodgers and now the Rams who have history, they're like, yeah, there are things that they can do, but can they do enough? It doesn't appear. So even though we're really not at a. Deep point now has even been two full years yet. We've got about thirty seconds here, but I do want to know this is not a surprise to a lot of people. What is the reaction within the chargers about what's been going on the last year? Well, I mean, clearly the chargers are hoping that it's going to improve the. They made this move to LA from LA reason from San Diego because they thought that there was an opportunity a real opportunity to improve their situation. The stadium situation, San Diego never worked out. But clearly you'd have to say at this point, you know, talking to people, I was out in LA doing a story last year on them. They were the mystic than, but they know what the numbers are. All right. Thanks. Jason, preciado time today. Coming up the fiftieth anniversary of one of the most iconic moments and photos in sports history. Outside the lines is brought to you by Modell is how brewed with a fighting spirit since nineteen twenty five. Smoking always affected my daily life because I was a closet smoker. It really sort of controlled my entire day. My boss is the one that recommended jewel, so I decided to give it a try. You don't get any of the odor of smoking. There's no ash all over your car. I would say give it a try, get the flavor and son his faction of smoking without the mess of cigarette. Asher lingering odor switch to Joel check, OJ dot com. Slash sports. If you don't smoke, Vate, don't start warning. This product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical. Former USA gymnastics president, Steve penny was arrested, Wednesday in Tennessee in awaits extradition after Texas grand jury indicted him alleging tampered with evidence in the sexual assault investigation of now in prison, gymnastics doctor, Larry, Nassar the third degree felony punishable by two to ten years in prison. Penney resigned under pressure in March twenty seventeen the indictment alleges penny ordered the removal of documents from the Karolyi ranch, a longtime training ground near Huntsville for the country's elite gymnasts. Those documents related to Nassar's activities. Their messages left with USA gymnastics weren't immediately returned. It's been fifty years since sprinters. Tommie Smith and John Carlos raised gloved fists in protest. During a medal ceremony at the Olympic Games that gesture came at a time of turmoil in America, particularly for African Americans and many felt it remains relevant today. Tommy Smith recently sat down with undefeated Bill Rhoden to explain. That picture has been frozen in times become the most iconic picture in sports photography. Believe in that there probably are a lot of young people who had no idea about what we're talking about this country, our country America was going through turmoil industry. In the churches around the country and the schools 'specially. But soon as the east decided that each represent himself onto how he represented in my mind. Okay. I have to do something. John fit. Has done. Came to me only a few seconds before that the power of the fist immediately after the victory. The following award ceremony took place. The power of prayer hid bow the shoeless feet to represent the excitement of poverty and turned toward the flay and represent America by showing the power of need. What did you expect what's going to happen? I mean, did you think that the next ten fifteen years of your life will to be miserable? When you walked Bill? I knew that that we're going to be a consequence, didn't know how people thought. What I did was un-american thought it was justified with a whole lot of radio stupidity, and you see it wasn't about the flag of black folks died. So that flak a fly and the ideal that the flag was showing was not in combination with my belief that to be negative of it. If you knew in nineteen sixty eight, what you know now would you do the same thing or would you do things differently? You know, Bill thought about that too. You know, what could I have done to be stronger in the eyes of my community to make things understood, but I could that was it. My best thing that I could do know our not do it any different because not told the truth without even speaking. Fast forward to twenty sixteen you see Colin cabinet and you see taking a first since then he takes a knee how to Tommy's Smith feel when you saw that years later was interesting. I say in the mirror. Colin, I could look Colin. So what's going on here? But it wasn't the look. It was the sound. This country stands for freedom, liberty Justice for all, and it's not happening for all right. Now, the Balaji Andy, sociological part of it was a bit different because he explained what he did victory stand. They saw what I did now, the understand what it meant. So Colin and Tommy use the same principles but different organizational structures to do the same thing. They make you feel great fade. Yeah, just let me make me feel great because they they, those people who didn't believe now have to see if it happened. What's happened again? Now what's going on net and it's going to happen again. It's too much involvement. Now, young athletes, young men fighting for causes that there was no platform before nineteen sixty. When you talk to these young professional athletes were now trying to figure out how do you use your visibility and twenty eight? What would you tell understand the platform? I and it has to be managed has to be non-violent and it has to be cured. So people would understand that you not there for shape fashion and the most important thing of all the sacrifice. Because usually when you're fighting against something, the status quo has another agenda. So you have an agenda status quo having a gin, and now you're trying to. To come to some some solution you. You raise your fist and nine hundred sixty eight here it is twenty eight, teen and professional. Well, compensate fish black vigilantes still have to meal. Is that does that demoralized you? Well, we along man. You're gonna have differences, and there's some of us are willing to stand up and sacrifice not to cure the situation because it's not going to happen for bring a Tich into the need to better Bill community. So everyone can take part in a reality of happiness in my hope is on my stand. People put understand. People can't see after fifty years. It's ever no harm in my move Colin basic same thing and it will grow. We're not throwing rocks and high hand. We're sending out and say, help me and we will move forward. I'm Wednesday Smith and Carlos is on the mater, San Jose State university hosted a special town hall to discuss fifty years of athlete activism for more coverage on the nursery of that Olympic moment head over to the undefeated dot com. We'll be right back. Gavin loved playing football. He lived and breathed. It wanted to go through when he'd spend hours upon hours, just his touchdown, dances and one day. Well, getting by football's. He realized he was never much good at throwing or running or catching or even kicking. Yeah, Gavin's chances of playing football. We're looking like fourth and long very long, but he did hear how DIKO could save money on car insurance. So he switched and saved. Then he did kind of touchdowns at least he was still good at that. Sportscenter at six PM eastern after PTI with heaven and sage, they'll look at the king-size expectations for LeBron head of his Lakers debut was the cardinals host the Broncos tonight. What's the next step for Josh Rosen aunt controversy for Red Sox. Astros sportscenter six eastern after on ESPN and the ESPN app to off your weekend with NBA Friday. Doubleheader eighty string hiring the Celtics are in Toronto to take on Kawai and the raptors. Then we'll take you to Salt Lake City. For Steph in the warriors swearing it's Donovan Mitchell, and the jazz coverage begins then make out at seven on ESPN ESPN app. That'll do it for outside the lines today. 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The Red Sox Have Flipped the Script. Will the Dodgers Meet Them in the Fall Classic? | The Ringer MLB Show (Ep. 160)

The MLB Show

1:01:49 hr | 2 years ago

The Red Sox Have Flipped the Script. Will the Dodgers Meet Them in the Fall Classic? | The Ringer MLB Show (Ep. 160)

"Hey, it's Liz Kelly. One shining podcast will be torn from Friday, November, second to Wednesday, November seventh, where Tate, Titus and nephew, Kyle are traveling to Columbus, Ohio, Louisville, Kentucky, Bloomington, Indiana, and Chicago, Illinois to the college basketball season. You can find links to tickets on the ringers, Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram also be sure to catch up on all of our NBA preview palooza content from Tuesday where you can find Bill Simmons shea Serano Joe house and more previewing. The start of the NBA season. You can check it all out on YouTube. In to the fires of forever. We will fly through the heavens with the power of the universe. We stand strong together. Everybody sing along. This is the ringer MLB show. My name is Mike Obama, and I am a staff writer at the ringer, joined by staff writers that cram Zach, wow, enthusiasm this morning. Dragon force, man. I'm on my second Cup of coffee and Ben Limburg what you're really bringing the busy today. Boy, Doug can hear you through my headphones, and she's excited. That's unfortunate. I'll try not to startle startle the Mets. So we know the Red Sox are in the World Series. We do not yet know as your record on Friday morning who they're going to face. It will be one of the Milwaukee Brewers in the Los Angeles Dodgers. The dodgers are up three games to two, so because they're more games left and you might not listen to entire podcast. In one sitting, we're going to start with the National League that go back and recap the American League low bit. Later in the show, it feels like the best place to start is the curly Ogden gambit. This is a great time to be part of a podcast where everybody's obsessed with game seven of the nineteen twenty four World Series. Yeah, this is really kind of right up our Elliot's. If if you ask me we all predicted that the LCS would end in five games, so I don't think we actually got anything wrong, but I know that we definitely called the the curly Ogden maneuver raiders. Did he at least alluded to the possibility, and this is something that we've talked about in the past, and no one's been either bold or desperate or starting pitcher deficient enough to try it. And I think we all like it, right? It was pretty divisive. There were some how. Takes there were people saying it was making a mockery of game, and it was a sham, and I just don't see it that way. There's a long history of the sort of thing in baseball, and it's a, it's a clever kind of tactic. And I don't know that the dodgers fully fell for it. I think they had some inkling that something was up here and they didn't fully give the the lineup that would have given the brewers. The advantage once would drift came in, but it's a good idea and we saw the limits to it too because it doesn't make you win the game. It just gives you a slightly better chance to it. And unfortunately, for the brewers, you also have to score some runs. I was in the press box during that game and immediately after Wade Miley walked leadoff batter, Cody Bellinger and Craig counsel came out. Everyone in the press box. We started asking like, wait, is he heard or something? And then we saw Woodruff had already been warming up and it was about to come in. And I know there's no cheering in the press box, but it was really hard for me in the moment not to, you know, visibly show my excitement over this happening. I think it had. Planned for a couple of days. Craig counsel announced that Wade malaise going to start on short rest the day before Wade Miley gave his press conference like he was starting the next day. I asked him, have you ever started on short rest before this into new experience for you? And he kind of laughed and said, I guess this'll be a new experience. I'm looking forward to it and he was in on it too. So it was a ruse for multiple days which I think to be day shis enough to pull that off in a two two series and analysts is just impressive on the face of it to the to commit to that bit for so long. My speaking of committing to the bit. I mean, there's talking about the fusion of the press box watching from home on and see Twitter go nuts when Miley came out and it was what's going on is he hurt? And then it was just me and Zach going, holy, fuck, it's Bucky hairs, and I never felt. I mean, I have felt this alive, but like I rarely feel this alive. It was awesome. Yeah. This weirdly, it seemed inconsequential because like you said, it's not. This was not the lineup to do it against. And I guess at this point, you know if council wasn't comfortable with starting Miley on short rest and just sort of letting it ride, then he would sorta locked into the strategy from the gecko. Yeah, and we'd do they'd have to get creative to get through these three games with the back to back toback. It's what we talked about coming into the series. How do you do the bullpen game when you have to work your open that hard? And this was one way to do it in a way it made it more difficult because then you have to piece together the entire rest of the game with someone other than your starter, but really would drift was the starter in in an hall for purposes. And and he pitched really well and went scored five in the third and you know whether he was helped by the platoon advantage a little bit. We'll never. No, but it can't hurt, but that just wasn't enough. He had the interesting part about this gamut is not just that it happened, but had it came just like twelve hours after game for ended in game four went thirteen innings, and GIO Gonzalez only lasted an inning an game because he got hurt so Milwaukee had exhausted most of their open the day before. And I wonder if at that point there is any consideration in creek counselor the Milwaukee brain trust. My unlike should be try this because really we're Woodruff ran into trouble was going through the lineup, the third time he got into trouble when he hit Turner, Machado and Muncie that third time through the order. And if say, Josh Hader had so been available or Corbin burns had been able to go longer after pitching two innings the day before or even like, you know, junior Garrett who pitched really well the day before they might have been able to to piece this together better and make a piece excess. But as is they kind of lost the thread in the middle. On on Wednesday? Yeah. The plan was to would have been all along to sort of exhaustible pen and less GIO Gonzalez was going to go more than two innings. I mean, this maybe this turns turns out differently. I, you know, would refuse fine. They he pitched well enough for them to to to win the game, no matter what if they had scored a little bit more. But maybe if you have Freddie Peralta or junior garra available to take that third time through the order off of off his shoulders, this turns out a little differently bet alluded to the hot takes. No baseball sort of a mockery of itself. At this point. I, you know, I don't know if I'm gonna clutch my pearls over over the integrity of the game or whatever and to to that point directly, like you're doing this to screw with a team that platoon Salat and like you shouldn't be protected because you can't hit same same sided pitching like that's an obvious core weakness in a in a player's offensive game and his opponents. You know, entitled to attack that, however, however, they see fit. So I, I don't think there's anything cheaper or Bush league about this any more than than any sort of nontraditional strategies is cheaper Bush league. I don't think you're under any obligation just play an opponent straight up when it's to to your disadvantage, which reminds me the the ongoing Sam Miller rant about unwritten rules being away to enforce control over, you know, force a player team and applying sub optimally. Anyway, because this came for Milwaukee. Now it's sort of seen as a referendum on hashtag bullpen instead of a throwback to a strategy that's almost one hundred years old. And you know, my big takeaway from this series, no matter who wins or loses is this is going to be a referendum on the reduction of of the role of the starting pitcher and the expansion of the role relief pitchers particularly in the playoffs. Even if that's not going to be what decides series? Yeah. At the brewers, I think are at now sixty five percent of their innings. This postseason being pitched by the bullpen. And I see this Curtly Ogden gambit just as of a piece with everything else they're doing. They're the underdog, they don't have great starters, they're going to do whatever they can to win in just as I didn't think that using the opener doing the bullpen game in the AL wildcard game was what causes the as to lose. I mean it. It didn't work brilliantly in that single game, but you can't conclude anything based on that single game. And I don't. Think they had a worst chance with Liam Hendriks on the mound in the first inning than they would have with Edwin Jackson or anyone else. So I don't think that we should if brewers do end up losing the series say, well, bullpen doesn't work. I think they're only here because of bullpens, which is separate from the question of whether bullpen is good or fun or a positive from the spectator perspective of written a lot about that lately, and I have my doubts, but I don't question the strategy itself, and I'm kind of curious because we'll pending is clearly catching on, not to the extent that the brewers are doing it, but just the general rise of bullpens that's a league wide long term trend. I do wonder whether we'll see more teams doing what council did in this game in the way that once the raise tried the opener, everyone else wanted to try the opener in zaken earpiece about this decision. You envisioned this distortion scenario in the future where every team is protecting. The secret of who will start a game until the last possible second. And they all have to lineups ready to go based on who starting. And that's why we don't see this, I think is because once you do it once no one ever knows whether you're about to do it again and they can do it to you. And so the net kind of uncertainty for everyone is unpleasant enough that no one wants to be the one who initiates all of that. But Craig counsel did. I think there's a reason that the times this has happened or game seven of the World Series in nineteen twenty four when there was no next day. And here where there was a clear off day in Milwaukee wanted Wade Miley start the next game anyway, if you're gonna do this in the regular season, like if fasters wanted to try this and they said Justin, very Landers gonna start today, and then they pulled him after better than they're messing with their entire Otake. Conversely, if they announced that are levers going to do this, it's pretty obvious that something is up. So I think I, I would see the rays style of the opener where they announce relievers going to pitch an inning, and then go from there. As potentially getting a lot more widespread than this specific instance, because I think the Ogden mortgage gambit requires a lot of specific contextual circumstances. However, what I'll be curious over the next year or so as as the raise either continue the opener, other teams take it up is whether teams just their lineups. Like if the raise go into a series with the angels again next year and use the opener against the top three right handed hitters will the angels just their lineup because this year we didn't see a lot of that. We just saw team sticking with their order when Milwaukee, September tried this very similar thing. They used a left hander lever, Dan Jennings to face the cardinals. The cardinal still had Matt carpenter lead off, and Dan Jennings pitched just to him, and then the game continued. I wonder if this kind of thing gets more widespread if next year the cardinals would say, all right. We'll move Matt carpenter to third in the order. So if Milwaukee wants to try this, he has to get through to right handed hitter. Hers. I, that's sort of the first Lucien we need to see before. I think we get worried about that distortion future. I imagined this strikes me as more trouble than it's worth in the regular season. When every out matters more, it's worth it to sort of try to wring every last bit of every last bit of value out of your team in the in the playoffs or maybe in the last couple of weeks of the season and you talk, you know, you talk about Justin Berliner. You're never gonna get by it to do this with everybody. Like, you know, it sounds like the brewers were sorta giggling about this like a football team that's about to run a trick play. But I can't imagine somebody like Berliner in a million years going for something like this, and that's, you know, that's it speaks while the to cry council fostering, like, you know, an attitude of collaboration, creativity in in the clubhouse to be able to even pitch something like this. So I just think whenever something new happens the the baseball world reflexively recoils like, you know, like a baby. Smelling a lemon for the first time. It's it's ever as bad as as like the very worst case, you know, hot Tate columnists painted to be at the at the very first time. So I think you know, we are seeing an evolution, but I don't think that's gonna you know, probably happen. It'll take less than ninety four years for this to happen again. But you know, it won't happen tomorrow. I don't think it will happen again for the rest of the playoffs. What they wanna ask you guys is, do you think this is gonna give Dave Roberts something to think about or if the Burs advance is gonna, give outscore something to think about knowing that this club is in the the Burs bag. Now, I think so. I, it has to be in the back of their minds at least in the World Series. I don't know if this situation really arises in the rest of the championship series, but I don't know that you have questioned your your lineup every single time out. I think that game in particular, there was clearly some uncertainty there because Miley had never done this. He was unsure rest, and it kind of made sense. To do what they did in a way that it wouldn't in most games. And ultimately, I think you don't want to adjust your lineup so much that you end up beating yourself. Because if you put say your best hitters at the bottom of the lineup or something because you want to subject them to in opener. In that case, then you're insuring that they get fewer plate appearances. And maybe that comes back to bite you even more than losing the platoon advantage for an at bat would. So I don't know that there's all that much you can do. And ultimately it kinda comes down to Craig counsel can do all of these fancy tricks and ultimately it's like the Indiana Jones, kind of, you know, if you have a gun, you win the fight, no matter how fences the other guys moves are. And in this case, Dave Roberts had Clinton Kershaw and this was the really good Clayton Kershaw kind of the third version of Kershaw. We've seen in these playoffs. We saw the great Kershaw who had his best game score of any. Off start against the Braves, but we all kind of questioned well, was he actually that good that the Braves get themselves out? He only got three strikeouts then we saw him have one of his worst playoffs tarts to start the series. And then we kind of saw the just right in the middle where he was really good and he missed lots of bats, and he had the breaking ball working and through tons of sliders and had his command. We'll probably see more of this variability from Kershaw now because he doesn't have that fastball anymore. And so it really is dependent on how the breaking ball is spinning in whether he's locating it. But when he is he can still be really, really good. And so I think he showed that if he's not the best pitcher in baseball anymore, he still potentially an ace in in any given game. There is a danger point near the beginning of the game in game five. They were tied zero zero. And then Lorenzo Cain had an RBI double after Kershaw had once again, failed to get Brennan Woodruff out, and there were runners on second and third with one out and Kershaw was already done one zero. Oh, and you could kind of sense. The stadium was worried would Kershaw unravel again, like he had him game one, but he struck out Christian yelich and after walking Ryan Braun, he struck out his use Aguilar and that was the turning point. I don't think he allowed a single based on or after that inning going seven strong. And that kind of speaks to how yelich has struggled in the series, not even being able to drive run, but that's where I think you sent Kershaw turning it around and from then on he was the same Kershaw. We watched in say, game one of the World Series last year when he outduel Dallas kaikal it's really the the whole heart of the brewers order hasn't really shown up in this series. I mean, I don't think it means all that much. It's five games smell simple. Maybe it's good scouting, but yellowish hasn't hit a whole lot. Cain hasn't hit a whole lot. Brun. Mushtaq is like all the brewers. Offense has come from the bottom of the order from Brendon. Woodrow from the pitchers who collectively have been good or Orlando, arsia or. Santana. I mean, Granderson even these are the guys supplying the brewers offense such as it is. Right. I've got the the number just having the numbers up right down the two highest Opie s.'s on in the Burr are on the Burs during the series Woodruff in Miley. And we talk about, we talk about small samples allow at know not wanting to draw sweeping conclusions, but there's a difference between. Saying, well, Christian yelich has in hasn't hit for five games, so he's not gonna hit in the next two and looking back on it and saying, like the difference in the series is yellowish has sucked. But he is three for twenty. This series Travis Shaw's to for twelve between the two of them. They have one extra base hit and those guys carried them the division series. And I don't. You know, the Burs is a team have a two eighty two obe- pay. You're not gonna win the series, no matter how will you pitch. I think the the bullpen shenanigans have given them. You know, you talk about pitchers, keeping you in the game, they've given them opportunities, but you know, at some point you just have to produce some runs and they haven't and it's worth noting the dodgers are leading the series, but they've been out hit by the brewers by more than fifty points of opium at the sport. The dodgers are slugging to ninety five as a team in this series. So it's not as if they're clicking offenses either. This is the the best power hitting team in the league and has not hit. For our, they fit to home runs thus far in the series the brewers of at five. So it's not really an offensive mismatch. It's more of a timing issue. Neither of these teams is is really hitting on all cylinders. That's what going back a day. I think made game four. So fascinating was that they felt like it could go on forever without a run and sure the dodgers might have run out of pitchers. They had Julio Maria says the last member of their bullpen and who knows how many innings he's able to throw at this point. So maybe they would have run into trouble soon. But even though the teams were, you know, getting some runners to first base. I don't think there was like a single solid hit with a runner in scoring position after you know, between Brian dosier hitting an RBI single in the first inning and Cody Bellinger hitting the game winner, it didn't feel like anyone ever had any success with a runner on base. So that's kind of a pit him is a serious so far aware even though like the brewers bullpen struggled. In the first two games. But in LA they were good and they just lost an extra game. We can talk about council's decision to pitch to Bellinger at that point. But I wonder if he walks Bellenger like that gave might still be going on now. Yeah, I, I remember just sort of being shocked that anyone scored like, I think of large part of me really expected junior Garriga just continue throat to throw zeros for the rest of the night because it really did it felt like the wild card game. Where's just? You know. You know, like either team was really getting anything going offenses and you have to scored a win in baseball. It's while that was a really great cliche. I just lay down, but you know, it's a weird place to be expecting junior Garrett or just continued to throw Sierras extra innings of the playoff game. Should we talk about that decision to pitch to Bellinger because I think it came in for some criticism after the fact than justifiably, so. So you had Belcher up and the runaround first. And then the runner on first advanced to second on one of the many wild pitches or pest balls we've seen in this postseason and so you had first base open and you could have put Bellinger on which would have set up the force be would have brought up as money, ground doll, who is not really a significantly worse hitter overall than Bellinger and you wouldn't have gotten the platoon advantage because scrawls a switch hitter. I think Bellinger. Yeah, I would say Randolph's having one of those series of makes me believe in key is active small samples. But then again, you probably would have said that about Belgium before this hit. Right. I would not have said that. Are you like some people would have? I think that his lack of clutch nece difference between being on clocks should be. I mean, he had, yeah, the big hidden game to it's. Yeah. If you wanna factor in how bad there's much and then there's there's what Grondahl spend don't. So maybe that's an extra reason to put Bellinger on then and Belgium's a bit of a better hitter for average, which in that situation is all you care about because the runner on second is, is everything. And then you had the further option. If you didn't want to deal with either those guys, you had Julio glorious up after Grendel. So you could have in theory loaded the bases to face aureus, which is dangerous. Of course, you're always tempting fate when you will, the basis and you can have a couple of calls go against you or you can have another one of those wild pitches in passed balls, and then it's all over, but there are advantages to either of those strategies. Yeah, Craig councils explanation after the game was a bit confusing. He said, if Bellinger had walk. We probably would have walked grand altuve to load the basis so that would that would have brought out. But he said we wanted to to try for Bellinger because we got two strikes on him. But at the time, Machado advanced, the second on the wild pitch, it was a one account so that didn't entirely make sense to me. But then he also said, you know, we wanted to be careful with Bellinger, but that full count pitch, which he eventually knocked for the game winning single that was in the zone. And I think if you're going to be in a situation like that reminded me of the wildcard game. When I think in the bottom of the twelfth, maybe Kris Bryant was upbringing, came up with two outs and nobody on Taryn score on deck, and I was saying, you should just walk Bryant to get to gore. But what the Rockies did was they basically just through a bunch of pitches out of the strike zone and let Bryant beat himself. I think that's what you have to do with Bellinger in that situation if you're gonna pitch to him, because if you walk him it, it's not a huge cost at all, but he grooved a hanging breaking ball down the middle and Bellinger was able to hit it for the game winner. Right? It's always inch. Though to just say, well, don't throw a strike because catchers aren't perfect, and sometimes they throw strikes by accident. And so if you really, really don't wanna risk someone throwing a mistake in that situation than you walk in because there there is some percentage chance that there will be a mistake that gets too much of the plate in the net will happen. I'm I'm sort of constitutionally against giving managers hard time for not walking people. Certainly not. You know this Scituate maybe there are such situations where where you absolutely have to to walk the guy, I think it's defensible. I mean, they, you know, even if they didn't have two strikes on him at the time they got two strikes on eventually. Then you say garra just didn't execute I if if they had gotten a grand all I would have pitched to him just because I even with a pitcher up, I don't like walk in the bases loaded with a when the walk off around eight at third, because it's you just you just have no room for error. We've seen, you know, saw mccullers Walker run in the other day, just it. Just put so much pressure on you to throw strikes against a pitcher. I probably wouldn't have done that, but I don't think it's like a a, a mistake. They're gonna write books about, but you know, I could see where we're coming from pitching a balancer, but it was probably would have been the smart decision. Welcome. Do you guys want to Clayton Kershaw good in the playoffs now? Right, because that's the last thing he did. It always swings based on the last thing he did, we'll we'll talk about this shortly with David price, I'm sure. But with Kershaw now he just he has such a big sample of playoff performance that if you want to spend things a certain way, you can find a whole lot of gems that he is thrown his. He's racked up quite a number of really impressive starts at this point. And this was another one of them. And I think the way he succeeded in this game was kind of the way he has his succeed now, and it still really works when he has all his stuff kind of under his command. Just wait, because I bet if Milwaukee win. Game six will see him in relief in game seven and can craft a whole new narrative based on what happens in that game. This is, let's let's look for a briefly before we move onto to the American League. The two pitching matchups are gonna be Miley versus Rio chassis versus bueller it with the caveat that I think the dodgers are gonna win the series by this point at this point just because they only need one in Milwaukee needs to win. Both like that. The math beyond that is so far, you know, it matter so much more than the relative quality of the two teams. I don't hate these pitching matchups for Milwaukee. I think both Miley chassis or doing a really good job of keeping the ball off the barrel. You know, pitching in their defense doing all that stuff that that fit made us all believe the pitchers had no control over ten years ago. I, I thought CHA, CHA seen start engaged. Three was I think every bit is impressive as as kershaw's was he was outstanding and having that to fall back on and. Game seven, having the bullpen comeback, relatively rested to sort of sprint to the finish in these last two games this these are not bad ups for Milwaukee. Yeah. Well, it's easy to say that now because we've already seen the best case scenario for both of these guys in the series of they've both looked extremely impressive and we know that they're capable of that. I think on paper, it's probably advantage dodgers, but it's not an enormous advantage just based on the starting pitcher match ups and something that I looked into it. I think it was last October people. Sometimes wonder whether there is a a second time through the series affect the way that there is a second time or third time through the order affect within a game. In other words, that when you've seen a starting pitcher already in a series in a short playoff series, maybe you're better against him. I couldn't find any evidence that that's the case guys just do just as well the second time in a series as they do the first time. Not that it matters particularly here because this is the second. Time for everyone on both sides. So even if they're wearing advantage, no one team would have it, but just something interesting I found that that apparently is is not an actual phenomenon. I wonder also how the extra day off and in game five Milwaukee didn't really use any of its keep open pieces. I wonder how much that you know allows Josh hater to potentially pitch like three innings in game six and then potentially come out for another any in game. Seven obviously council knows better than we do how much stress his best pitchers can handle, but I think they will be fully rested. The dodgers had to use kenley Jansen to secure the last out of game five, which meant he pitched again the day after going to innings for the first time in a while. So I think the brewers are in slightly better footing there, but I wouldn't necessarily budge from my pre-series prediction of dodgers and six just because as Ben said, we already saw the best case scenario for mile. I mean, he interesting have collectively allowed zero runs in the playoffs afire it's hard to get better than that, and I'm not, you know, I wrote a glowing piece about their performance thus far, and I don't think he will implode like the name Wade Miley might suggest you would. But I also don't know if he's able to twirl a complete shutout again and the way you know how low scoring the series has been so far even giving up a single run that makes the brewers bullpen. Look a lot less fearsome if they're not holding a lead, kind of like we talked about with the Yankees and like review has also been pitching really well. Yes. The duchess of done a decent job of striking early enough sometimes that it takes the brewers bullpen out of the game a little bit. And hater is kinda like Pucci from the Simpsons at this point where where he's when he's. Not on the screen, and we're all supposed to be asking, where's Bucci? What's Pucci up to when will we see him? And that is kind of where we are with hater. It's just this automatic two or three innings of scoreless baseball. You assume hell though he does allow runs from time to time, but it's just all about when are you going to deploy that weapon when you're, you're going to call for those scoreless few frames. And I'm sure that council is not going to allow his team to be eliminated without using hater without using the big bullpen pieces. So we're going to see that and I'm sure that he'll be aggressive with those guys. We haven't seen hater go back to back days often during the regular season, but he has already done it here and I'm sure he'll be willing and able to pitch in both of these games if necessary, I think were on a, I don't want to speak for you guys, but this this feels like a dodgers win one way or another, whether they get to, they get to Miley in game six or eking out in game seven or you know, the Burs just don't. Score enough runs. I just the only needing to win. One is gigantic advantage even though you know, even though I could see, I could see the path for the Burs you know, I can. I, I could see their way out, but this it doesn't get any more backs backs against the wall than this. So if there's nothing else on the National League, I would like to talk about Jackie Bradley Jr. I figured this is coming. Let's talk about the most clutch hitter in baseball. Jackie Bradley Jr. former college World Series most outstanding player for the university of South Carolina. Now, the American League championship series MVP nine to out RBI in this series, the man's the difference. I think you know. For all the talk about Mookie Betts. Be as good as might trout maybe way MVP this year. The Red Sox real MVP is Jackie Bradley Jimmy, and I would like to hear you guys. I would say here your thoughts, really. There's only one right answer, and that answer is Jackie Bradley, JR. Well, it is literally true that he was the Red Sox MVP in this series. So I cannot dispute that. It's true. I mean, I think he probably gets less attention than he should because he is flanked by two really good outfielders and guys who out hit him at least lately. I think you can make the case as Jeff Sullivan did it fan gifts this week that this is one of the best outfield we've ever seen, at least in the advanced stat era and Bradley's. Well, he's literally the centerpiece of that bets is obviously the best player here, but I think Bradley that's obvious anymore. I think it's obvious, but I think Bradley is a little underrated because he had that really good offensive. Season where he had twenty six homers. This is two thousand sixteen and he sort of broke out. It looked like as a hitter and then regress the bit. And he's been fine as a really excellent defensive center fielder but not enough star. If you look at it, I think based on just the stat cast data, he's been just as good since two thousand sixteen as he was in two thousand sixteen. Anyway. The point is he's one of the very best defensive outfielders in baseball and he can hold his own at the plate and you're right. He has been clutched. I don't know if he is clutch, but he has been. I think he is clutch. This is this is the one one time we know flyers clutch. It's almost to try to save, but the Red Sox won the series because they got to the formidable Houston rotation. I think all three of us might have written this year about how phenomenal this ashes rotation was. And they had two Cy Young contenders and Verlinden coal. They had a three pitcher, Dallas kaikal. They had four guy char. Early Morton who could have been like one or two on basically any team in baseball, but outside game one when Verlinden pitch well, but the Red Sox got him in game five, the Red Sox battered, all of the starting pitchers. They face the series. And surprisingly, it wasn't because of the top of the order. If you combine the stats from the inky series, Anna Astra series the two Red Sox. Regular starters with the worst OPSEC's are Mookie Betts and Andrew Benintendi. So it's not like last year with the Astros where the bottom of the order struggled, but altuve and Springer and Korea were just so dominant that it didn't matter. This was really a much deeper lineup than I expected to see with Bradley contributing with TAC. Christian Vasquez s Kazakh Holt and you know, Steve Pearson. It reminded me of one of those old lineups where like one through nine, all the guys get hit and that's not necessarily what expected. Obviously, I made the wrong prediction, so that's why. But. It's really impressive and makes me think that we, I, I don't know if we underestimated that specific aspect of this lineup, but they did lead the the majors in runs this year. So there must have been a reason why they did essentially what I expected the Astros to do and what the Astros didn't gay one, which is just keep the chain moving. And the Red Sox led the league in runs. And that's, that's one thing, but they, they were kinda top-heavy with Martinez in bets, and you know, in Batson and Benintendi like you said, had the two lowest stub OPSEC's any Red Sox centers in the series and the you think of the big hits Bradley? Rafael. Devers with that home run game. Five. I don't think it's them getting to the starters necessarily. I think it's just these are the two best teams in baseball, and it's just going to come down to who comes through in the in the big moments. And this is another thing where I'm not going to go back and you know you're going forward make any assertions about the clutch -ness of any player in the series. Except for Jackie Bradley Jr. who is obviously an inveterate clutch, but you just look at at who got the two out hits who who came through two strikes that game four. It didn't necessarily turn on their review coal, which which we're gonna talk about in a second. It turned on Josh. James was dominant through two outs and two strikes pretty much any inning. And the Red Sox just wouldn't go away. And that's, you know, this is what I wrote about. It's it's kinda unsatisfying from an empirical perspective, but sometimes it just comes down to who gets the right hits or makes a right pitches in in what order. We saw the Astros for all their bullpen depth. Just they couldn't. You know, they kept letting the game just bleed away. Give up that one or two extra runs that put the game out of reach for them later on, you know, that was the difference of game for a difference who certain extent game to it's well. And you know, I don't come away from