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Introducing Impeachment Today

The Daily Zeitgeist

01:08 min | 10 months ago

Introducing Impeachment Today

"Impeachment I mean is now but this is different follow politics for a living so I feel you. It's hard to keep I heart. Radio are teaming up to launch impeachment today the daily podcast with the authority all means and give you the context you need to understand w. t. f. is really going on at Apple podcasts on the iheartradio APP. rever you listen to your favorite shows.

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Toxic relationships - How and when to go no contact

Dr. Judy WTF

1:01:32 hr | 1 year ago

Toxic relationships - How and when to go no contact

"It's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing you in the back nine and relief with active OTC ingredients plus the added benefits of THC free heme boil get Doctor Judah here Dr Ginny W. t. f. and tonight's topic in my practice who are bound up in a toxic relationship cut the ties so we're GONNA be talking about toxic parents and talk I just I run the psychological healing center and we do a lot of work in Sherman we have a little office in Beverly Hills and lots and lots of patients who contact sorry it's Epstein our our marriage five grief therapist and he is just beginning to learn the mind map system and other via a mind map so just a little bit about the mind map and how it random occurring a vet where whoops I ended up with someone who is in your life so let me shrink it for your little bit via the mind map the eight four three to eight to six and I would love to hear how to do it and I also have a lot of information on this subject clearly this is a hostage situation and please feel free again to share dysfunctions get laid down from early years of life and the mind left out of them setting better boundaries making better choices the effect of other people and at the effect of toxic people up of three panels of the mind map you will see wound this is the control the neck neglect there's obviously physical elect whether it be physical neglect or be emotional neglect that way of of of really disconnecting from your children and causing shing show up as what is happening in the middle of the fight back then it's again it say it's a no exit plan or lying sidey and even psychosomatic disorders to emotionally bleed and react panel number by encoding of the fiber of of of definition conclusions about the world and so depending on the type of injury we Hi what is your name please hi dawn had been there before it's a beautiful state and is a cooling down yet do oh wow okay okay so tell me a little bit about what you yeah I didn't know this until not only your videos but others do you how do you define Narcan path what's your experience okay so tell me what he was like and how you experienced every way he could okay so when I listed off the five childhood last three letter word that I don't like too much didn't sexually abuse occurred okay where my I call them enemies sibling I'm too I've finally wrote them very long dissertations than them black sheep so are my ex has been amies friend's yeah because they don't see me finally go enough okay well congratulations talk about all these elements because as you might know I have a lot of videos on sibling vote so that they become flying monkeys to the parents and it's not your side okay so whatever understand how these toxic bonds are formed so when we were abused were soaking it in we're blueprinting were getting the the messages the people that are our emotional source or so we hope they a father and so they will therefore as Alice Millar says abuse or neglect because they would rather be the batch child toxically tied to your father because you need them he's your father you WanNa kind of a a horrible deal here will where you need him and he there's and so on and so forth and then and then and setting you up for partners who may do similar to that energetic force and then you take the ride down into okay so so all right so now you're therapist only briefly she was saying that they want so badly that they're trying to bring me down anyway they can the color of the collapse of the system because if you have a dysfunctional system so rental system the Blue Ribbon standing for dad the pink one for mom if this is all an unhealthy foundation than the house is a house real good scapegoat and you're stepping out then and they don't want to reshuffle the system because they already got the system and you're part collapse it's GonNa Father Your father will not have his his his his aggressions out or or to esteem himself they incentivizing you with to keep you in the family structure I have no interest in doing from you know not liking that they want me to return to their church I'm like I've been out for so so did you pick as your ex also similar sound like it gets much worse what what does he do to top this off age yes order line okay with the borderline rage alcohol but he is a prescription drugs yourself from the situation we disagreed on everything I in our class these are signs canaveral like that service animal or not and I just two thousand seven okay and well he's long I don't know how to me okay so your father's been long gone okay so let let's just instinct PhD is your relationship toxic and you've mentioned of destruction of a relationship and the contempt is just bubbling violations the cruelty the sexual violations the Okay but there's enough there to to know in this case isn't it and in if you're in a toxic relationship is very difficult because there's also injured you and you never repaired with them or you never repaired in therapy you and so you keep chasing and chasing and along with the chasing becomes relief of the person coming back and repairing and re esteem by them changing they're gonNA now restore you to wholeness thinking to all the negativities it's hard to to you know there's so much peer pressure the thing is that just because apparently gone it doesn't mean they're gone from your head so this Paul dots a huge problem and oftentimes I call it active blinks or the Flying Monkeys Aka agents of something similar you know at this point there's really not a point other my my my co worker my boss or whatever should so if any contact is mentally so unhealthy for you that it's time to leave no turning back in the sad part because it's been set up that way so there's no there's no comfort zone here I'm down and if you don't get out of the pathway it'll fall on your pervert tiddly easy it's just my brother and have 'em just barely right so they're taking on your father's traits I'm GonNa move on in a minute you should go people how these bonds are formed and then your head okay so if you don't already have a copy of my book get from through to from the injuries through deconstructing them and morphing bat and the main thing is that you complete the psychological or or lovers or coworkers or her anybody so just after so long had you know enough is enough enough what is your name please Pat I can't how you talk Well I was born in twit histrionic psychopath okay so she did a lot of acting out yes yes okay so that's the history onic they used the act out a psychopath okay so psychopath is when people crossover it's borne out of childhood wounds I believe I don't NBA that I'm not a geneticist I'm psychologist and I get to watch major inorganic cause of psycho pathology so what are you suffering from given this background I don't have to trust or support or women even men it's like I all the action that you name call you slut I guess yeah I mean I just keep it's pretty intense so do you think that to her and you're younger than her obviously you're her daughter so yes that makes sense that makes sense okay okay so I mean that they create a kind of sense of norm even though it may fear of of of of mistrust than it's no surprise for the first stage of development the Ericsson model trust versus mistrust the only feel the pillars I'm using panel three now day builds you up rather than repeat out you don't get that then you are more something they're not gonna like it so does that make sense to you that who your so if you were to hazard a guess that how you perceive yourself how do you perceive like get to a point where like I I have golds just by myself properly now but matching matching this imprinting yes so he right feel like you're worthy or or all of the things that our parents be lowered your expectations of the world will be lowered and then you will become again you know you spin out and recreate and you was unsustainable and toxic so I never had a family and my parents are passed on emotionally ABC's skipped a few parts. I mean I don't think you can really evolve something this all of this well he remarried and a- As you know the family punching bag crazy stories about me that weren't true like like even looking back Zazi being like crazy stuff like seeing another town nick part of it so she literally turned everybody against you and who's your friend who's your enemy can you trust people is I think a lot of it is and I experimented but I say I just live more in isolation and Dan giving your worldview and your your family dynamics it's tone biology if a cell is being infiltrated with poisons and down so what happens to sell when they're too permeable no one there's a poisonous environment and their protective layers been penetrated you're you're membrane as a child was permeable nutritional so to speak however that's not what you received penetrated you see and so's the result of that you have to build the wall with the wall up is what you don't get I loved and you also don't receive the nutrients so in an ideal world we hey so that we're we're alone we want to somehow since that that vulnerability was already violated it's so you see where this the stuck for you are you are you currently in therapy I that's how I actually found out that I had PTSD and I guess I just I don't know I guess maybe that's the only me or request and you can email anybody could email me doctor daddy on the team and just know that the journey is not an easy in cognition and behaviors is just not going to be sustainable I think you you I hope now have you now have a better understanding eight and your father's gone and so became so how do you get out of the double dungeon of darkness as you got a source the pain be and then reboot the system right okay so to your your friends your family it's free and it us of childhood injuries and how they create a horrible we're having these reactions to what happened in this is not who you S. thank you so much GD welcome it's my pleasure and Ori everyone else feels like they can not feel so alone you know this is not just a gloss over kind of therapy fun it is just that it's very ultimately releasing and healing a two eight two six and the the point here is that psychosomatic when you feel your shoulders tense when you get a headache when you're feeling well then you know that something's really off and so trust around this person because they're your boss or their your child or their your if it comes to the point where it's absolutely making you sick and aw I'm sorry Jenny Hi Oh my parents are yes I can hear you I was wrong you know what why don't you why don't you turn down has my paintings are narcissist so and I know alley my father Okay callback Oh assist my dad's a narcissist you know we all right I see and regarding bowl where the people are just being used to satisfy the needs of call it the disposable disposable consciousness so and so what has this left you with the hand you know okay up curious to know how you do it where well I feel like I know when people like cops tendency aw you said you do give them or don't give them the the has no empathy that you just think about themselves even though for goal look you said you were an impasse and if you're the type of person of your softness are going to regard you as how how and when to let people go we have to understand that we're co creating of allowance is the way I'd like to put it so if you allow people to talk to you like that yeah exactly to do it too if they those options you know it's I don't know yeah because they have like you know McCullough Pendon Like I have I'm not very hard what I was just GonNa say the way I like to think about as GI ownership being in a relationship is a matter of earning that relationship you oh I think a healthy relationship is symbiotic one where this since wellbeing not just taking from the system because when you take take that's a train the child is steaming the child they're using the child to steam themselves so I just WanNa hit up one other topic which is how to leave the system you you you just gotTa you know somebody's the domestic violence I have to you just have to let them go not necessarily mm-hmm I because maybe they're just not in the state of mental health where they you're pretty balanced and

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We'll Be Back "Beery" Soon!

Close Encounters of the Slurred Kind

01:21 min | 5 months ago

We'll Be Back "Beery" Soon!

"Calling All Dominion Hopper's Ripley. I wanted to apologize for a lack of content this past week in the black swirl or taking longer than anticipated after a battle with the enlargements and daring escape but we should be up and running again by March thirteenth. We cannot wait to traverse the anti-matter minute dimension with you once again to explore the other worldly wacky weird and the W. T. F. Thanks again to all our listeners and your continue supported the show also a huge shout out to fourth hand media. Everyone involved if you're new to our tiny corner of the podcast universe we invite you to check us out. Don't hesitate to rate and review our show. We're available on Apple podcasts. Spotify Google play music iheartradio. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Join us as we discussed the ZANIES news headlines and cover the most fringe topics that pop culture in the science community has to offer if you have an idea for a show or would like to pose a theme follow us on facebook twitter and Instagram the slurred kind or Judas Nemo close encounters slurred kind at gmail.com. That's close encounters slurred. Kind gmail.com. While I gotta get back to buying parts to calibrate warp speed and fewer coils and biotic phase meters. Now did Ripley. Say he wanted a Cherry Coke Diet anyways. Look forward to seeing you aboard an as always stay slurred.

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Introducing Impeachment Today

Behind the Bastards

01:08 min | 10 months ago

Introducing Impeachment Today

"Impeachment I mean police right I'm haze brown a reporter and editor at Buzzfeed News. We've been telling the story of the trump presidency and all the lows and other lows for years now but this is different follow politics for a living so I feel you. It's hard at apple podcasts on the iheartradio APP rever you listen to your favorite shows right now we're starting this Thursday October twenty fourth and we're going until this ends however it all ends listen and subscribe to impeachment today I heart radio are teaming up to launch impeachment today the daily podcast with the authority perspective and Dare I say whit required to get through this crazy news moment in just Hindi fifteen minutes every weekday morning we're going to catch you up on what just happened figure out what it all means and give you the context you need to understand w. t. f. is really going on up with all the news

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Episode 1111 - Byron Bowers

WTF with Marc Maron Podcast

1:30:31 hr | 4 months ago

Episode 1111 - Byron Bowers

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F. and enter your information for a chance to win free. Dave's killer bread for a year. Wow a year of bread and look for Dave's killer bread in the bread aisle of your local grocery store. It is really good. I've eaten at every day. So ice toasted with honey in peanut butter. Dave's killer bread all right. Let's do the show again all right. Let's do this. How are you what the fuck? What the fuck buddies. What the fuck stirs what's happening. It's Marc Maron. This devotee my podcast. Welcome to it the quarantine version of it not that different than the other version really to be honest with you. Comedian Byron bowers is on today. We tape this before. This shit went down before the quarantining really got off in earnest. He You might. I don't know if you know his standup. He was also in Honey boy the Shiloh booth movie. He wrote in Byron's wife directed which for some reason I didn't realize throughout the entire interview. I didn't know that that was the situation. He said that she was director. I didn't think to ask because I'm a fucking idiot. I guess but yeah his. I don't know if it's his girlfriend or wife. I that will be revealed in the conversation but nonetheless funny Guy Interesting Guy Interesting perception of things as I recall heading back into this conversation that I did a few weeks ago. I remember trying to kind of hang onto where he was coming from. Make sure I was following the thread. So that's going to happen for all of you. Shortly I appreciate. I always appreciate all the emails. I tried to read All of them all you people that are getting and staying sober very inspirational. I always like hearing from you and I'm happy that Even in this time of isolation and fear that I'm getting a lot of Nice emails from people staying sober. I've never I don't think I've eaten healthier in my life. There's really no bending because you're you're limited to what you have in the house and I guess it really depends what you have in your house and I guess my heart has to go out to those you with kids that have to supply them with the sugar and fun food that they demand and deserve as children to make them happy even if it fucks him up a little bit you'll give a little of that stuff right so that stuff's around the house. It's hard it's hard not to eat it hard not to eat the fun cereals. Who Doesn't want to bowl a cocoa pebbles when they're in their mid fifties. Why not have some of that around? Is there anyone out? There that does is there out there in their fifties who still eats the cereal that they ate when they were a child. If there are any fifty five to sixty year old people out there just reading the back of a box of lucky charms. Not My thing. Lucky charms not might even the good part of lucky charms. The marshmallow things were not great. Not a fun. Cereal CRISP NOT Great. I was cocoa pebbles guy. I've discussed this before. But are there people? Are there people in their sixties? Fucking up the roof of your mouth with the captain crunch. That'd be the thing to do though you know when you're afraid you think this might be it. Why not have some cereal as opposed to shoot heroin or drink a pint fucking bourbon or snort a bunch of rails if you're an addict and you're going down the drain reach back into your brain and think about what was that. Serial probably word started man. I'll blame cocoa pebbles from drug problem. I'll do it right now. It was Fred Fred and Barney's pro their fault. What else did you cocoa puffs. I think used to be good frosted flakes row K. This all still around right. Have no reason to shop for this stuff. I even enjoyed that serial life but that seemed like a grownup cereal. Whatever you gotTa do to get by people seriously though. Just try not to compound the fear and and kind of hopelessness of isolation with self-flagellation and self hatred. Just know in your heart that nobody's doing anything that they can't do at home. You're not losing. We're all on the same page so it was only a matter of time before this would happen. I mean we've done well over a thousand of these interviews and and I was sort of hoping that they wouldn't come that we found out that a former guest died of corona virus. But it had happened the day before yesterday Adams Singer The composer and pop songwriter former member and Co founder of the Band fountains of Wayne musical producer for for my crazy ex girlfriend for years. Emmy Award winning Grammy winning. I believe Tony Nominated Golden Globe nominated but all that stuff. He was clearly a musical wizard. Genius of Pop. Songwriting musical songwriting very gifted man. But but also very young man fifty two years old was not sick was not compromised immunologically. That anyone knew of he was a friend of a friend of mine. And it's just. It's it's devastating. It's it's really only a matter of time and probably a short time before everyone is directly affected by this by this virus. And it's sad that so many people in this country don't really take it as seriously as they should but that's not really what I'm talking about here. We lost a brilliant artists. That had a lot of good years ahead of him and another guest former guest of this show John Prying one of the greatest. American songwriters is sick with this disease. And he's old and he's he's struggling for his wife and I hope he both through am sad and sorry that we lost Adam and like we do. We don't like to do it but we do. in honor of the artists that pass we we rerelease her you know. Put the put the episode back in the feed so everybody can hear it I talked to Adam back. In December of two thousand twelve. Did know him that well gotta go familiar with his work. My girlfriend at the time was a huge fan of fountains of Wayne. My friend John Daniel one of my best friends. was really a champion of atoms. Genius and you got to know him during that that episode and and you can listen to that if you want but It's just a sad day. Sad Day to have to say a few words. Were fifty two year old man. Who was gifted gone now because of this illness so rest in peace Adams Singer? And take care of yourself. People really really. Jesus God I can't. It's so hard on a day-to-day basis to kind of reconcile. Your deep habit and desire to think things are going to be okay with the fact of the matter and again a great deal of gratitude and love and respect goes out to everyone. You know helping the people that are overwhelmed with sickness and the sick. The healthcare workers the first responders police ambulance drivers people delivering food. People who are actually really doing essential services. Got Thanks you know because a lot of us out here were holed up in our homes we can watch what's on TV. We can look at our phones but we're not going to the hospital every day. We don't know this shit show of chaos and horror and death and disease that you guys are dealing with on day to day basis. Thank you very much for doing that and I hope to God. I don't get sick but if I do. I hope that you know someone is there to receive me and take care of me And I hope that the supplies were there and I know most you realize I don't need. I don't need to tell you that. Obviously we're living in a failed state in that our government's reaction to this was to wait and and it was not enough and a lot of what the federal government's supposed to do They're not doing because over the last few years but certainly over the last twenty whenever possible. A Republicans try to Dismantle the government everything they see as non essential and some of that being what was needed to respond to this properly. So this is the goal. The failed state. This is the Republican vision. Wet private enterprise take care of it great. So now we have people that need ventilators masks. And there's a bidding war going on over who is going to make a profit on those items and which states are going to sell to. It's all working out good vision but But again thank you to everybody. That's sacrificing self-sacrificing in the face of this horror show My job here has been deemed an essential service. But I wouldn't call it self sacrificing. I know that I'm in a privileged position but I'm trying to do what I can. Okay I was trying to figure out I'm doing something. This weekend of for comedy gives back. It's called comedy gives back laugh aid and it's a benefit to help. Comedians who have lost work in income due to the corona virus It's obviously not a cure but it can do a lot of a lot of good. Comedy GIVES BACK DOT COM. Check that out but I think it Saturday is that the fourth anyway look man. You don't need paper towels. If you have dish towels and you can wash him you can use them can use them for anything. What did people use before toil paper seriously? It must've I never see that in any of the movies. The period pieces were. They used for toilet paper. Where's that detail? I'd like that detail I had to go out how to go out into the world. I've taken I've oh I made my own mask that helpful. I just cut the bottom off a t-shirt about five or six inches wide and one of the seams and then I use the other side of the shirt that seem to go. Run down the line of my nose down to my Chin than just tied behind my back but from what I understand. Some people are going to give me some handmade Hand Sewn Masks which I'm excited about here because I think you probably should wear go out even if people are on the fence about it. Why not just where is it going to be? Is it in any way a bad thing boy them? If you're spending your days indoors people now it'd be a great time to launch that idea that you never got off the ground and squarespace can help you turn your dream into a reality. You can easily make a beautiful website for whatever it is you're looking to do. Do you want to showcase your quarantine. Diaries or make a homeschooling webcast or do videos about how to make facemasks squarespace makes it easy with beautiful. Templates created by world-class designers. And the ability to customize just about anything with a few clicks they also have twenty four seven customer support. So there will always be someone there to help and you'll never need to do a software update scores based takes care of that for you. Everything is optimized for mobile right out of the box and there's nothing to patch your upgrade ever. Scores empowers millions of people to turn great ideas into something real. So what are you waiting for? Head to squarespace dot com slash. Wtn for a free trial. And when you're ready to launch us the offer code W T F to save ten percent off your first purchase of a website or domain that squarespace dot com slash. Wpf offer code devotee. F- also my special still on net flicks. It's also brought all my other specials to the four all the the the other two that I different Netflix. Over the years so all three are kind of front and center going back to think he pain which I think was two thousand. Jeez I don't know ten or eleven And then to real and now the new one and Times Fund people are still enjoying and I'm glad you like it. I like hearing about it so this is an email. Alexandra sent it dear. Mark Yesterday. Gloved up mashed up and watch my suitcase from Brooklyn apartment to a hurts and got the fuck out of Dodge read New York. I'm one of the lucky few who has a job that is remote able and had enough bread in my basket to make this kind of rash decision? I fled to Dayton Ohio where I'm self quarantining for my fourteen days until my friend and her incredible family are taking me into their corona tribe to ride this out. They have land for dogs a cat and most precious of all each other. I wanted to write you because the night before I left. I downloaded ten hours of W T F to ask me the drive. I had a strategy and it paid off beautifully. See full strategy below. Were getting there. Thank you for still podcasting. I look forward to every dispatch. I've been forwarding your newsletters to my friends who know I need a voice of reason admissions of uncertainty. And of course a fucking laugh love and stay healthy in. Thank you Alex. Then she gave the the the layout Merrin Dr Brooklyn to Ohio March. Thirty first twenty. Twenty Anthony Bourdain one hour twenty two minutes a comfort episode for me and familiar enough with the episode quasi and while I navigated the city Garry shandling one hour twenty minutes as expected. Once I was out of the city I needed some space to processing. Get existential thanks to you and Gary Marc Maron has told the Mike for bigly at one hour thirty four minutes another comfort episode. That makes me think in laugh. Rob Riggle one hour. Ten minutes remembered the nine eleven part of this episode and thought it would be soothing to hear about another time when the world imploded and remind myself that this too will end. Maria Bamford one hour seven minutes. You and Maria. Fleeing a nerd parade said with love in parentheses back in the day. No further explanation needed. Bob's Muda two hours seven minutes. Six point five hours in and I knew I would need never heard episode and Immedi one was hoping this episode would provide some clarity on some of the Andy Myths but alas or maybe thank goodness it didn't Nape argosy one hour twenty two minutes bringing it home. With a comfort episode to top all comfort episodes. I'm from Nashville. Nate'S ACCENT IS SOOTHING. To my brain. I've been to the applebee's where he met his wife. I sold Drums Guitar Center across the street. And we'd have lunch at the bees and like you said he's just so damn funny. Well Alex thank you for sending this and I you know I. I hope that maybe that will provide a template for others who need to flee wherever and they have ten hours to fill but as you as you should all know you can go get stitcher premium and get all of the episodes of them catnip. Date Buster is getting fat and monkey is okay. He's pretty good everybody's well and now I'd like to share with you. My conversation with the Comedian Byron bowers. you can currently watch him in the film honey boy on Amazon prime video and here we go into the interesting mind of Byron bowers. It's weird because I've seen you around for years we've never hung out. Roy. Sorta in passing. How's it going man you know? I don't know I don't know. Did you get the feeling like we didn't like each other? Would no I wasn't that I I just. I just respect the game nowhere and hopefully I will get to the point where we face each other like. We do now right to me. I don't look at IT I. I guess I've been disrespected. Ikea what I would call. Disrespect IT. So much really. Yeah that And coming from well Born in small time move into the city. Yeah that I learned that you gotta work your way to earn that respect. It was weird because I I always I didn't have any disrespect but I just didn't know I see around but by the time you were coming around you know. I was sort of moving like I was sure. Moving out of the alternative rooms. Yeah and then like you know. I'd see store when he start coming around the store more my God. There's a Byron because I didn't you know I felt like Oh man already. Well this is a Is Perception. It has nothing to do with you right. You're learning about life. It's all you know your own. You handle it anyway. Dramatically yeah projections in perception. Yeah you assume things based on your own broken brain true true but I recognize the pattern. I'm like if I get to a point. Yeah you know I like I just met Jay Z and really. Where'd you meet him at a goal party era after one of the awards show really the Oscars? Because that's where I say we gotta do the pockets and the red carpet. We're both standing there like a couple of comedians. Go and look at this fucking crazy crazy. So that's why I'm at the point where I'm just question everything because you Kinda like happen. Life don't happen as you plan. What happened with Jay Z? I shook his hand and he was just like. Hey but it was quick. Yeah it was one of the interesting handshake. And I'm like yeah. I'm a fan to the Jay Z. Right the way he's shaking. My head is not like a business person but this is like a fan right who? Yeah 'cause I've been through it so many times and then I got reintroduced to him. He's like yeah minimum already. So I'm like okay the same night the same night. Oh you're annoying him. Well part of it is but I'm like oh here we go to each other like we're going to bump into each other. Yeah because to me is like this little right just like when we were going to shows here when we started doing the same show. Yeah nerd melt nerve. Feel like nerd me first time. I saw you. Yeah started nerve Milton. I was in a corner like with everything life. Just watching it for the first time and then Emily Bliss Heart put me on to never meals and I remember when she booked me. And I probably sound like cocky. I was like maybe a good show. I told her that she like all my shows that good. Yeah now okay. I'm sorry right are probably always still did my my lane Yemen. Some wonderful shows hasn't been the same sense is still going on now but seeing the same to me. Just change well. I think that you know. I think that it was built on a faulty premise. To begin with you know the whole nerd melt alternative comedy scene. It had a crowd but it was a trend. It was a fad whereas like you go the comedy store. That's eternal that's true. Even a store was struggling. Destroy Struggle because it was dark fucking shit hole for a long time. But then everybody got proud of it. And you know I'm Brenton you got that social networking going got rid of Tommy and brought Adam in and then fucking Peter took over the place and we all were excited to work. I think we you know our excitement about the store. Brought the people in agree. I mean tell me I was there. I remember meeting Mitzi and shaking hands and you go that far back I mean I got in two thousand and ten or eleven and it wasn't it wasn't a moment that everybody else have getting past store is like is like watching my ex wife leaving a U. Haul and then getting the call that I got past like life is a balance is that will happen. That's what happened yeah. So let's go back so you you you say. Eat where you come from From Atlanta Georgia Atlanta. Yeah and that's where you grew up. I grew up in Atlanta here. Born in Athens Georgia Athens short. That's a nice town I it's it's a little rock and roll town. That's the part I know. I'm sure it's not. I don't know I mean you know you got the low any college town you had the locals. Yeah you got to college people to like. Have Fun stuff and in locals locals man like your local. I was my family more local like me going to remember somebody saying. Don't don't fuck a local. Yeah they didn't know hours from there. Don't though if you have sex with somebody that don't have with local or don't what we might never leave or or they might try to trap you unlike. Oh they say the same about Jamaica when you go to Jamaica True Yeah Different Countries. You go to the similar thing you know. Be careful though the locals they gonNa pick pockets you or are they going to rob you all that stuff humane trap you into having a kid. That's the same thing. Yeah yeah that's that's the the the far end of it. Well you're lucky if you get robbed you look if you get wrong. A lifetime of robbing. Yeah so I mean that was word on the street. Don't fuck a local and you were local. But how long did you were you there for? I think like six. I was back but I live at six. And then I had to come back because the state was gonna try to take Me and my sister from mother so she had to send us back to Athens to Athens. Like what's what's the layout of the family searches. You just gotTa sister. I have a sister. Several fathers which is a blessing to separate so your sister's got different funds so it's the same mom same difficult. So who's the blessing? Hurry you like most kids. I say. Get two separate rooms. You've got to separate as you had a relationship with both of them now. We didn't have a relationship with none of the jealousy you know and when you play the dozens in the street they talk about each other. Mom Me and my sister talked about each other all. You'll Danny yodeling she right. You're the only one. Oh Okay so you've of new empty an insult because you didn't know your Dad's yeah but we did. Yeah now we close it in that. I was at my her dad funeral. She's at my dad funeral and when when it ended like they folded the flag here and they was lower my dad into the ground. You hear that clicking noise I remember looking back I was sitting down. He was standing behind me and I looked at and she was her eyes watery and I was like my dash was building. You'll days she's laugh right right. You're devs the military funeral he was. They had the guys come out in the photo flag because he was in the navy. Her Dad wasn't in the military. No he wasn't in the military but he was a he. He had a normal life like he worked thirty retired three months until his retirement. Drop dead. He Pass you. We didn't drop the. He was a very healthy job like four miles every day. But somebody hit him in the car which is funny and say it it designed. That's the worst. Man is the worst we could try text into us. A who the person car sair because You know he he. He dedicated all that time to his job and they were just building a relationship and he was like do what I. WanNa do in life now. Yeah and then have gotten slammed. Meanwhile my dad drugs prostitutes and Kept live here because they don't like this guy you know. It's almost like rich. Dad Poor Dad but in a tragic ways. So you're okay so you you. You're born in Athens in your MOM SPLIT AND GOES TO ATLANTA. We you and your sister. Yeah she left. My Dad was scary fucker. She loved my sisters fought house to my sister father. I see you're older. I'm older year. Okay Day my mom and dad will never married okay. Yeah and yes she. She split and left of the reasons. We're not quite sure our really of yeah because I thought that was the good debt. Well I mean to to the next family probably more than right you know in our town halls and you're not from La People have kids nineteen twenty right. They don't we don't know ourselves. Yeah looking back on the Shit. We all got into her. Manha- had her when he was young. Yea a little bit after me. They probably twenty four twenty five. I mean Yeah. Y- yeah what are you know? Yeah Yeah so you got dreams and unit. Plays like atoms and that really. Don't go together because I have no sense of Athens. Other than the you know the the independent music scene The Independent. And you have the people that you know any small town. It's like you WanNa do what here now. You better go work at the at the plant at the chicken plant. Is Their chicken plant there. He is planting my my cousin. Were there from two different families. My on my mother's side or they're just could go and chickens in taking the feathers off cut his leg on fellas off man and like putting them in packages you know And probably sneaks free chicken. Chicken healthcare probably healthcare. You know that's what you do it for my grandfather hall chickens which is cool because he will bring chicken truck. Yeah yeah bring chicken like baby chicks home. Yeah we had to take back. Yeah like they got a certain smell to him baby chickens. Yeah Yeah and the ad big chickens and back. Yeah Bitch is in the back. That's what a eggs carrying from every day at fresh eggs every day. Fresh corn came back. Why came from the Vine Really You guys made wine strawberry. Must go down. Why did he have like a farm property for that she he they they the Senate a forms right? They didn't graduate school right so they formed. And then Um so. That's what they did with Acre two acres of land. I mean which was big. It's pretty big man. They had everything. Big Yeah Yeah. Watermelon beans and then the land overlapped with the neighbors land. So they gave him that land he will give them like a Stuffy Group. Stuffy grew and he would fish. We go fishing on the weekend so this grandfather. This meeting young. Yeah train has hunt. They give guys like eight and trying to teach you how to really like Fiji Grandfa- yeah yeah. And he grew all that stuff he grew corn. I remember having this shook corn and like get split peas. Your isn't it's not nice until you're older and you're like Oh we had it. Yeah that was the life. Yeah remember fall out of the tree. You pick them the pies come from that. I moved to the city different where you excited. I mean like I mean it seems like I guess like you hard to appreciate things when you're six. I mean all I know is I just had a moment of sadness when I moved to Atlanta Right. Sure Yeah Ford in Q. U. Outward born arrows. You sticks and you hunting for like wild von Arab you make it here you make it you can sticks and you boy narrows and just in the woods hunting for wild dogs dogs. Yeah with her. What a wild dogs. That's what we heard they'd be like stay out of the woods doll attack you. They probably stray dog. Would you take away with the guns of your shooting birds? We started with birds health. Care hands and birds and BB pellets. So like forty forty times but not shotguns shotguns. They all had like eight shotgun and they go out for their. What do you call it? A little birds quayle's or the or the doves rather arrived rabbit ears. Can John Deere make me? I don't thinking should deal with a shotgun shooting a bullet boy. Well you can't just as a heavy gay I know. But then he got pick all telitha where these guys are like I mean they nailed it and then I remember watching a break rabbit down which was scary to rip at skin off and man all new of ended up like a chicken cut it up and just feeling I remember the feeling of this this irving. Yeah it's like yeah like a glove coming. Yeah I shot one bird shot one bird and I watched it pass Ak and it was only an wash the exact same experience I couldn't I couldn't take it. I couldn't take it like some guy. Talk me into doing it with a pellet. Yeah I watched it fall and and I still think about it now. It upsets me is interesting. And then you ten years later you in the city and gun fire just rough blah blah blah blah. He heard it enough so you moved to Atlanta with your sister and your mother when you were six six back to Athens and then back. Probably like eleven twelve. So what happened? That state was gonNA take you guys. Yeah I guess the other guy the father but he ratted her out. He must who who who called the cops. Allegedly was an internal family thing. It was a jealousy internal family. Probably one of my mom's sisters real. Yeah it was. Yeah Yeah what the fuck man. Yeah man so. She was jealous of what she had her kids. I don't know you know that lady your aunt. Yeah I just got into got into it with her. Just now giving Thanksgiving outside. I know I'll be the guy who get into the fight. Era Family is a fight yet. Eat Thanksgiving outside. Yeah I showed up to the South I showed add. Georgia would do adult Jewish chick. Yeah and Israeli dog issue girlfriends Israeli. Yeah Yeah and and I try to bring the dog in the house and they will not bring his dog in the house. And I'm like I pay out the LA THE LA. She got my emotional support. Don't really know I ran into a house with adult and it's like forty four because he's looking at me angry and I panicked because I didn't make any plans in the House with adult. She's ran in the House that I just get us some water. She thirsty. Yeah she'd been on the plane all day this right when you get there as I get the papers for the Ju- not my girl just stayed outside. She's staying. What is is so is so weird. Weird right is weird so okay so your girlfriend doesn't even go into their house. You with the dog. Everybody freaks out and that that's not and then you know so. Your Dog's probably freaked out dog's freaked out and you're freaked out. I'm on. Was It really angry. You know anger issues. You don't even know you're not even thinking once the once. Whatever you raise whatever you you just you gung Ho so right away you go just pick the dog up and just ran in the house out of the House or in the House with adult. Yeah so the you actually have a licensed papers for the dog because you need emotional support Doug I mean it's my girl also but she needed the a dog for emotional. Yeah apparently I need to stop the anger now. No it didn't but I call on down this running thing. I guess. So what happens so you Anka pissed off and you had to eat outside outside. I mean everybody you know. The dodgers wasn't coming in house outside with the dog and Jewish girl girlfriend like my uncles and stuff. They were outside okay so it wasn't terrible. I wasn't terrible. But it's still was like you. GotTa calm down. It tastes like ten minutes or so when you had to come down. Yeah I did you got rage problem. I never looked at it but if I was it could be someone to start. GotTa gotTa go all the way through. They gotta go. You gotta go. I'm getting better at it but it just. It just came out of nowhere though. I don't know where it developed out so in that moment or in general general pro. It's a it's it's horrible when you get hit with it. Yeah so like you know. Usually you can keep it under wraps and all of a sudden some. It'll trigger it. Well I have fucking kidding. Yeah you get loud you get loud and I've I've had to apologize for people ten minutes later Oh yeah. It joke about that. Like I'm I'm I'm I'm closing the gap between an outburst and apology. Like it used to be in. Now's the identity. Go Fuck Yourself. I'm sorry Oh yeah Larry Look Man. I don't know people don't know man I think I put up with so so low internally. Healed it into it just popped is go. Yeah Oh you don't know what's going to pop it but it's better than like schizophrenia. So yeah let's talk like Sir. Okay so you go back and forth. You weren't taken away from your mother but you end up growing up in Atlanta growing up my mom my mom got his stuff together and me and my sister moved back with my mom. And that's where you went from age was seven or eight all the way through. No I was there. I back back in Athens like six. And then I remember landing in the fourth grade in Atlanta and they're having to deal with the school systems even in both ways to deal with the schools. What do you mean dealer because we live in a different place? Yeah Then we were supposed to write and disciplinary problems. And they just couldn't send me home because normally back in the day they will send you home your home and you'd be like I'll be like okay. Go Home I live too far. I see you live. I don't know was take out a few hours to get here. You know really. And that's how they will find out. You wanted to go to that school so you put down the wrong address. Nothing that's where our monitor's yeah. My mom just survive. You don't know what time she just surviving. Yeah but you got you into the school. But it wasn't the district he lived. It probably wasn't district. I lived my time. I came back and forth grade. I was at a school. I had just wasn't clicking. I don't know what it was and then I got sent to a mixed school called Jolly Elementary Jolly Jolly elementary a mixed scores opposed to a black school as opposed to like a black and African school. Yeah and Attested I took a test. When standardized tests and test it out of my class science English and math. Yeah Yeah so so you got to jump great. I got they put me. I went from all black class to class with five black people in it and has that changed things for you. It was adjustment. I remember walking down the hall and people from my neighborhood would just take our heads in motion of the Li- like the separation. That's what you get. That's what I got you know like. Oh you over there now you know and then you have to get on the bus with the people and get dropped off and I remember got in trouble. I can go to gym class. And they put me in his class and his three classes advanced classes regular class. It's behavioral classes So our member like vaguely getting put in behavioral classes. 'cause I couldn't go to the gym so they made me sit in the class with behavior class and I remember sitting on a disk and they would go on over map or SOM- and I was like y'all stupid some like that. Yeah y'all don't get this stupid right we are. They got mad apparently. Why couldn't you go to gym? I got in trouble recess. I don't know you don't know I don't know I had this problem. I always had disciplinary problems. And I don't think it will bad as like people in my neighborhood I want to bring a gun to school dope and I do remember hitting the book as you called me. Input Immature Dirk closed. The CYA book like a frog on a front here and I looked at the book and then I just took the bottom. I had like a pie and I just hit in the face with it and that's no good. Y'All got in trouble so with with all this going on so obviously united comic you know we all had disciplinary. Imagine you were just as smart ass and causing trouble and whatever right. Yeah no guns. No drugs no gun drugs. Not just being smart ass and this girl's face who looked up. He's getting beat up. Beat UP TO. Yeah mostly got beat up really. The girl I hit face beat my in a coast was going to stop the fight. And he's like letting fight and I was like motherfucker like is a window. You not a window closes panel shoes and address. You know what I mean. Yeah and she didn't even grow and she beat you up in front of everybody. She'd beat my s in front of everybody and then we going to high school together and she never grew out of stayed the same size and she's bragging about visit. I like seeing people haven't seen in a long time when they come out of nowhere. Don't you I've been surprised man? I've been surprising is like Oh you made it and you have a lawyer. Write or you're you're still alive successful and we carry from one not the not do you know. We came from a certain place. Where a lot of people and you know. I don't know you people fall off the older you get. This is like the like They fall off for the. You know you get to a certain age people start dying. Don't say I want to say that. I got thirteen debuted with my phone. I cannot erase thirteen thirteen from the past decade. I'm recent shit. Yeah from natural shit natural and like it started you know the younger you are starts with unnatural right getting shot or a car wreck or Fran boyfriend shy. My best friend's sister was was in. The baby was killed by a boyfriend And that's terror. Last thing he said to me was like you should get out of here. You can make it for you. Smart Anna Anna. Yeah so that was a hoot and they play on the car at night in the last week. It was weird because for somebody do that and say I love you. Let this weird to and killed them and against the next time. Nah Nah they call them but the police cottam afford family did well. That's old know that's the old adage that I read a police. Chief said that you know people kill people over two things you know. Money Pussy. Yeah yeah I read. That book is quote from police. Chief I think it's an old old idea. Only yeah it could be true now. Of course break it down if you if you keep it broad you know like what money equals property. Anything that you all have to if it's a big category yeah so okay so you. When did you end up getting out? I mean like what were you doing when you start doing comedy. I start my first time on stage. I think I was at a talent show in college. Oh where'd you go to college Some Polytechnic State University. Zada Marietta Georgia. In the engineer engineer had plan no no stay off the streets at my freshman year. I went to another school in Tennessee and I ended up selling crack for a little while so this was just a state. My goal was to stay on the street. I gave myself ten years of being college. Ten years. Ten Years. Yeah because I can get financial aid because my dad was a crack at the time so I can be like okay. So let's explain this so so you've grown up in Atlanta but not in the hood you didn't get to the hood to later. Yeah I didn't get a decent house in a decent area good great. Now's a nerve then. I got dropped off Tennessee by my mom. What set for college if a college in a new boyfriend and nobody ever went to college or could tell me how to survive world so so when you were growing up though you did good in school funding around no guns. No drugs drugs. My Dad was already Andrea. Yeah you knew. Your Dad was on your. Oh yeah I found out the hard way so your dad like you? But you didn't know when he was in the Navy not so you knew growing up for six years on the farm and but you only is just a neighborhood but yet group that Gustav Lee. Yeah but you didn't know him to be cracking. He wasn't credited and Okay so so when he was a guy who worked in and and probably was like a middle class man. Yeah everything oh he did. He had he had the house. You know having a house the car the boat yeah The extra family. No not another family. He wanted me to move back with them and then the mental thing happen will happen At the time I really didn't understand but you know developing paranoid schizophrenic. How old was he I usually happens in your twenties. I mean he was. He was twenty one or twenty two when I was born so it had to be like maybe twenties and and just disappeared and then the drugs started address disappeared like the. House and everything was gone his job. It all was gone all our new and I remember because your your mom. At the time I was with my mom's in Atlanta and the when I seen the house it was a he was like I want you to move back in. Look I got all this stuff accumulate and make a comfortable home for you and then our mem- grabbing me by my shirt collar yeah and was like Later going around town telling people that I did something to and I heard that. You're you're telling people ideas I'm tool to to some chick this your dad. Y- he's like but I didn't. I just grabbed like this. He grabbed me by my my collarbone on my shirt. And he's like this all you could tell them they can come for me. I got something form and he removed the tiles and Attic via import to oozes out of the here and I remember telling my grandfather he was like. I don't think you should see your day of for a while. So the next time I seen them all that was gone and they say he has a mental issue. Why Yeah so you go visit your dad and he says thereafter him. He's got us. Yeah and he's ready. He's ready you know and you just call. Yeah as you've been you've been around some street stuff so you just kinda not remain calm out. Yeah Yeah so. Yeah and that was the last time so your grandfather. The farmer said you figured out here. Yeah I mean just don't spend time just don't bother this is father. He knew he was ill. He knew something was wrong. People you know started you know what though? Yeah this is a black community. You deal with mental health. Yeah and there's a stigma so we don't really know so you just kind of like you know my keep away from him. We'll see what happens. Yeah let him do his thing here. Figure it out you grow in person you know. Wego pratice thing away. Yeah Right. Yeah we pray pray to distance prey on the distance you know yeah and then like I came back to spend some time with them and We going to crack house but but so we. So how did you know he had paranoid schizophrenia? Hit me later on. But did he was later. Put Away I think my grandma told me that they went to the clinic and I remember visiting him somewhere. We had on all white and he was pretending like he was. GonNa Fleet at place. Okay and so you still a little kid. Yeah this in Augusta. I still was young. And so he was in in an institution probably like around and and then I seen him after that and I remember him the inner security and trying to join the police force Right after he got out of institutions after everything and medication That I don't know at the time. Did he ever end up on Medicaid? He did within. Here's the scenario when you attic and you on drugs you stop drugs. You stop all drills right Not Get that when you paranoid schizophrenic. Yeah who's thinking that? You wrongfully fired from a job and you got a lawsuit with a lot of money coming But people try to get you drugs to make prove that you're not qualified right. They get your money. Yeah then that's a whole different level so if a doctor tried to off you appeal you you paranoid schizophrenic. You'd think he's in from not getting your money. This is what Your Dad's situation was an with drugs. Do to your slowed down here and everything. So he just didn't end up taking it will put him further down. Made it more crazy. The rabbit hole. Yeah so he got to a point where it was no bouncing back so. He's LOST IN HIS SCHIZOPHRENIA LOSS. In the schizophrenic delusions which. I never understood until I did a my first bad acid trip in London and I was like. Oh this is what he. This is where he is forever is where he lives. Yeah I did it for seven hours. He's here forever. It's cold on the place to be. So so what's the story where you go back where he said you know when you found out your old man? This smoke crack. I found out he did crack. I was on. I had to be like fifteen. Yeah and I went with them and like we end up in the project posed to the movies and he gave me some money long story short. He's GonNa go get some food. You can go to the movies. I'm just there to spend some time little. Yeah And my mom number drummer in Atlanta. No this is George number. You went back. I went back. You were living in Atlanta. And he wanted to see he wanted to see me and my mom would drop me off at my grandma's house the farmer. Yeah yeah because she trusted him yes. Change was nobody else right so he would call him. He came and picked me up and we went around the streets of like. Give me a right around the corner and I remember saying I got my son with me. Yeah and then he's I I just go out. And then we went and then that turned into basically like you know you there and I remember like when I walked into a crack house sums like get out of here so I saw basketball. I went picked up a basketball right. Yeah went to the basketball the projects across the street when my cousin passed and I was just in the projects like by myself. Real scared and He came asked me for some of the money he gave me and I gave him some money he can he left and he came back and asked for the rest of it didn't give it to him and then he got disappoint he and then. I got disappointed and I remember his car. Driving down the street he left. You handle coming back to get high and we we went back to Kremlin House. Get dropped off like no movies no food. Nothing and I couldn't even my mom was already at a place where whatever so. I couldn't even tell. Yeah really what happened? I just had to sit because he'd never have to. You'd never be able to go down there again. And just unraveled from there. Yeah Yeah what do you mean how that we had raised dropping like just after that event I uh because I knew I had to do something like I got to do something. Yeah I gotTa do this. Before College. But you're still in high school. I'm still in high school you Mattie. Are you getting into more trouble because of this well not like disciplinary problems? Yeah but it's like I join the basketball team. I learned how to play basketball that day. We'll basically yeah. The pressure was on. Yeah that's all I knew like get out. He's already like couldn't be my mom because the finance situations and then this thing with my dad so like what am I going to do all right. Yeah so yeah man. I just end up like in in the Bonaparte Basketball Scholarship at this college in Tennessee. Yeah and then I go down there and you don't know how to live take areas. Yeah man people getting money for stipends for the basketball players. And they're like on a partial. Scholarship broke of just trying to figure out well man. I'm failing my kristen classes and I've been going to church this whole time. So man I can help yeah. Nah Not really I'd be Horny and search. Yeah but I remember like somebody busted my dad out with a drug dealer and I remember being furious about that. And that was like Ma'am have killed is do right but I can't kill him like I just can't kill them like this. I got to become a drug dealer and when the opportunity presented itself I started to go in and I wanted to see how powerful crack work. Yeah because the make a man like climate telephone pole who climbed telephone pole my day. I heard my dad. Climb the telephone pole for some rock. You hear all these stories you know what I mean like furious right. Yeah and my aunt. It's only two and my little cousin. Dan. I'm going onto my. My Dad's sister is on it to crack and your cousin to now my cousin. Yeah like younger than me so he was in environment though. So some drug dealer Craxi Dad's head and he wanted to kill him. But you figured you had to know what the deal crack in order to you. Got To be one you just carrying like so you think like him. Yeah you gotta like you know weapons and you've got nothing you got no resources really. Just walk up to a crash and just like the crack crack dealer and do you know when you become one you like. Oh so you became one. It's not his fault right yes not his fault or he cracks that what you've learned math sellin crack addictive is addictive and you had to get out just as you didn't smoke it though. No no drew still sold the whole time really. Yeah he's just. How'd you get into the crack? Business got a king observations. Same I got into comedy. I'm new at the time because my paranoia. I knew who was in the building who has straps every way in and out of a building even how to get into a place here in the air and those were good skills for somebody. That's a bigger like Oh gee you That can bring you in because they endanger dangerous situations right and if you got a King I in no everything and then it started with me. Stashing strategy of stashing it. Yeah it was all just two of our operation fair and just thought it was me. Stashing Noah Stash crack in the cookie. When you break it in the bottom jaw right you sit there with a razor and then You just can't keep everything on you. Give you ever been in that environment. You know cranky as a snatch it or you just don't know what happened so you just need a place for the Stash. Keep your main stage and we on college campus right. So you know you just ashes. It was not easy but we definitely couldn't keep it in the room. We were in so this. Is your roommate not my roommate. I had another room now thing. We became roommate. But we know what the master key to the dorm. How you ended up with their Always feel like this is a weird situation but somehow we got it off the ring of the of the Ra. Ra made a copy and time to put it back. And what you get. What does that get you access to empty rooms? I see. Yeah so that was your snack. Break F- The furniture part saga put it like in desk and everything like that and people could be an rooms and I know so. You're selling the crack on the campus. No we was off Christian campus off campus in somebody's apartment and neighborhood in the hood. Somebody's mom had an addiction for so you bought it. You do a broader thing you know oh I see yeah so yeah. We'll crack business. We had a little crack binge. It got bigger when I left but it was crazy. 'cause I remember it was a pharmaceutical company. There and I remember looking at this in his town small town a nick was fit of fifty dollars. Yeah that's how small town with so is the no brainer life for two dollars per product. Instead of five dollars you make him fifty. Yeah this is. Profit is a no brainer tip crack. Yeah Yeah so you go in and like you get you get a good sample. The crack cookers the most important part. Yeah coming That's the shelf. Yeah and if you make a good sample and you give it to somebody. They don't get they. Don't get everybody else right. And we had we finally got that good cook and Yeah man now energy that Oh no. I don't think it had to be because I got out of that school like within a year. So maybe maybe six months a few months lucky combusted. O'meara man like Oh matter. Maher is the issue issues here. It's very good bus when y'all older abbey don't want to go to jail either way you know. Let's just jail day where people go to jail by now this jail or eating Joe. I didn't go to jail. I that was my main was raised not to go to jail. So so how did you get out of the school did they? Did you got kicked out of the basketball team? I was feeling classes and because of the business it just hours just laws for freshman year and then. My friend was dealing with his courtship. By this time he was already like people mad and it was how your friend to crack dealer the og my yeah and she dealing with he will do in. Baby Mama drama. That was that one. Yeah that's a big issue and And he was like. I want you to take over this town. I'm GonNa stay in this town. Do I want you to take over this town. You were going to be the King. Pin. I don't know what I was going to be. Well I thought I knew. Somebody was on was appointed. You Cross a line that you can't come back. I think that's true. Yeah I going to be all no. He won't be somebody here. Ara had an incident when I was hanging. I had three relies. I was on the basketball team. I had this college life and then I had this thing that I would do in the middle of the night. The cracker. Yeah and I was hanging out with some white friends and they went to buy some we one night. I fell asleep and we end up in some project and they got raw and the guys. I stayed in the car when when I got out the car. I've seen these guys like reaching they they hoodies. Yeah and I was like damn well they after me but the wife. Renee was oblivious to what was going on they thought I stayed in the car because I was scared here. I seen two guys on opposite sides of the building. Come with these guns and when they all hopped in the car gunshots route and I found out that one of those guys arkell had kinda worked for so it was a weird thing on the situation that other people were an and I don't know if it was because of me that's the thing about drugs. Yeah as you increase the odds if you get killed for some dumb reason. Yeah that you might not have anything to do with. Yeah and there's like I'm not even on the clock right you know. I got on the college t-shirt you know I'm a different person right now. You know shit so yeah man. It's like incidents like that. The pharmaceutical company and I'm like they win and they legal They'RE GONNA they're gonNA wipe us the street in a new group of people come in this so bad. This is a weird pattern. She got out got out and then like the situation like me kill him all parties killing my own people. Yeah light light their way. And so you know so you were able to get inside of understand the whole Socioeconomic personal Evil side of the drug business drove. But you look if I use later you broke. You know making probably like fourteen fifteen thousand the week and he's like Oh numbers increasing. You know I mean but then you gotta moral struggle struggle and like. I'll probably win. The you know my anger issues happen. Then that's the I. I remember just being mad and when somebody for money is like where we gotta we. GotTa do something right. If someone flip you for some money I mean the first thing that we started soap soap. Oh yeah so it was a thing already like the first batch you bought. Laver's guard is like and then yeah they don't teach you about that. You GotTa Pay Your dues in a game like anything else you you take losses big losses. You know so you got out. And then he went back to Atlanta. I went back to Atlanta Engineering School. Did you feel like you learn who you were? No Kami taught me. She went to engineering school for. How long Maybe seven years. And he's seven eighty off and on. I was there and I mean as you graduate graduate. The first thing I completed. But that's when he started doing comedy started and then I stopped. I started communist quit because I got booed. Another clue before people say I should try the PUNCHLINE UPTOWN COMEDY CORNER IN ATLANTA. Yeah Yeah and Mike Boo Amateur Amateur night. I didn't know people go club. Yeah Yep so Donald Stays never ridden a joke before just went on and got booed and he. Did you have a plan no player? Why did you go on? I don't know funny. I mean I used to crack people up at the table yet. Naturally like you gotta go on amateur. Yeah you didn't have any plan that and watch and I knew I knew about John D. I watched why everybody will go on dates and stuff right. Yeah when I was in junior high. My mom put a disk on my on my this of Martin Lawrence Talking Shit. Yeah and that was the beginning of everything you knew the idea I new idea and I watched it. I watched the jams Friday and then that made me a bully in school. Oh Yeah 'cause I talk I could break talk shit about somebody and just just hurt hurt. They self esteem bullying stop. You know and advocating the man for a minute you know and it was cool and that was the disciplinary problems. Yeah I mean I join the basketball team. I do classes in the date and even with two people. Your secret asshole. Well I don't know probably let my girl tale a so but the first time you've got booed boom. I quit right well for me right away. Yeah so when did you do it again? Maybe two years later then I did good at same place. Same Place. We put together some a joke. I joke I wrote and then That night killed and then I got booed every night since then. I quit again for like another year and a half. You did good one night and then you go back once a week once a week year and you just stink stink and then instinctively some follow my instincts and it was like this will take you to the Promised Land and then I just fought my way through so you stayed there in Atlanta going to school a bit Doing comedy no more crack dealing not. That's over and then your old man's in the hospital or he's not he's not in a hospital he's door from fifteen like twenty five story late. Drew FROM YOU REARRANGE. Fifteen to twenty years. He's not on anything and he's okay he's not. I mean he's on drugs hardcore like he's withered down on no. Yeah like the fame of the burnt fingers and the voice. He got one. I now leave home for a period of days We had to go get them For My college graduation why the I regret in college and when it got him where was he he was in Addison. We brought him back. Yeah we gave a coat. Where by the Pecos streak okay? Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah I don't know you know it was. I think it was. These should be there for a moment. This sure a moment you know so You know him would be. I think he grabbed a Buddhist or something like that during the While. He was there during the ceremony. Yeah his mind right. I mean he's still. He's still got charisma he. He's the most one of the most charismatic personality people. I know you know But beat his Beata. Oh yeah he's beat up but he's still in good spirits. Yeah Yeah but what about the schizophrenia is? Not as bad at the time. Because we I realized he was self medicating sure. Yeah he was self medicate so when you graduate. College do does that when you decide how. How long after that today? Oh Oh he died after tiff last year was just why she I love. I Love Toronto. Came to La. You're at the film festival for honeyball. Honey boy yeah and then I had a week off. Some would like don't book shows instinctively and I didn't and I had a week off between Toronto Film Festival and Toronto just for laughs I came home a fluid La Atlanta. I got the phone call then. I went to Georgia and bears you dead and when he died but I was with him and he opened his eye and we we was able to communicate for the first time and I was able to tell them that I love him and I'm not mad at him and I'm an I'm proud of me live a full life and no need to feel like you fucked up. The life is good and he felt that piece we piece and I felt them. Pass 'em all felt like this energy. Go and his body get got real cold and I told the nurses that he passed and he liked passed in my in my own. While really yeah. It was peaceful and my anger lipped when when when whatever went through my body that tinguely filler. My anger live so I was able to comfort my grandmother's stuff. 'cause he I had to tell her mother was on which is weird. You know he was in a coma. He's in a coma the whole time and I've been here before my grandfather was in a coma and I'm named after my grandfather so when I showed up my grandfather came out of his coma and I was able to tell him I love him. He passed at night so round two on the bowers on the last hour. So I went down. You know And all black. I got the Hoodie. All look like a grim reaper. 'cause girl filming as a problem when you like you data directly like she filming everything and you know my family don't like cameras and shoot around so we played some. Elton John forum. Because that's what he remember. He likes Elton John and the last time I tried to tell him that that I loved them and stuff and he had an episode. Elton John was plan and I thought he was going to die without him. Knowing how grateful I was he was a great dog. So I brought Elton John. Belk which Song Rocket Man in Tiny dancer Oh yeah right Which is a gay is thing legal. Play but it's a very sentiment. The moment for him for both of us here And it was a very one most peaceful moments outside of taking like shrooms that that I've ever had in my life and Yvette. You felt him pass through you and your angle left angle live and I felt that peaceful longtime and this was just last September September third Friday thirteenth September. Four among crazy man. Crazy beautiful moment though is no. I told I told. His Mom told GRANDMA HEALED. It was no other way to heal for him. The mental piece right because before we would talk once. I learn how to communicate with him. We were just talking to try to figure out who trying to kill him. And how did he get in a situation? That was that was always the conversation. Yeah Yeah and but you knew that nobody was trying to kill. Yeah I knew but you know through Improv. Show you learn the yes crazy people right so if you don't yes and are you gonNA argue. I did arguing with them that I was going to do right and I understood like I said I had that ESA troop and I had to tell my family everything he say about us that we're trying to kill is real whether you believe it or not if Israel in his mind delusion is real rather than we could do about it so but. It's interesting though. I I would imagine that once you start. Kinda like you know just playing along that. At first they don't really quite know what to do about it but eventually they don't trust you either correct they. They don't trust you but you still going along with it right right. It allows you to talk to somebody longer and spend time with right right but eventually they'll eat the crap out right they you can talk to him for a while but eventually be like. I can't I can't talk to you about it. Well with me now. I went the long haul when I left. It was like to come down. I had to you got your brain off fucked. I got off. This is the person that you realize this person taught you about women or whatever he wires your brain to begin with He. Why are my brain? If somebody tells you like man. He might have been that way since he was eighteen. We look at it then. That means everything that time you spent together and that stuff. He talked to my been. Well you you you just have the same grooves in your brain so you talk to them for an hour. You can leave now. Maybe someone is trying to kill both of us well. It's not just the thing he talked about women by you can't trust women they got the money and shit. Oh so it was about women. That's true because he had like two hundred women. Yeah Yeah you got a book full of women that he's literally photographs. He showed me and my girlfriend says pride and joy so book women you got a book. A women in old family pitches that remind him. I realized that remind with Tom when everything was good. Yeah So yeah man you have to unwind yourself around some of the things. He told you about women. Are you believe yeah? 'cause I'm in a real relationship? Ride see learned. Yeah so tell me about this acid trip that change your mind I was. I was in London on a trip which I never some told me the number trip in a city and my hero inside we was dancing in the and everything was having They're not saw some trash and it went bad. We're kind of trash like London. Like dirty London trash on the ground like garbage garbage looked up in the city became garbage. And we was in a near Buckingham Palace. Behead people I feel the history of energy. Yeah you've absorbing energy and I'm I'm filling may as need to take over and be powerful and it comes from a place loneliness and I just got lonely. My girl in her producing they having a happier Tripoli skipping in front of me and they will go into place and I couldn't go into the energy we allow me in here and the cops show up and they just be pacing behind me and almost got hit by a car and yeah so I had to experience this trip alone House bad bad for seven hours and then I had and you believed it. I was there I understood came out of it understanding but I knew that this was just a trip and it wasn't real But I was here to learn something I had to go through it like that so you had. You knew that you were on a trip. Oh I definitely knew I was on the trip here and everybody owned that except my and I had a battery pack and they was running around looking for a battery packs of power so they fall to come on and I knew I had all the power had all the resources just like somebody who starts a corporation. Yeah and and I saw that need to control the power because if you have all the power then people need you right people you here in a comfortable place a loneliness so once. I told him I had the power people got upset and I was like. How could you do us like this and I was like you know? They're real creepy whisper shit and then I needed to all. My girl actually pulled me out of the trip. I looked is and saw love. And I remember running the took for the warm water because I felt the need to be mother's womb And I went and balled up and got into. How does that work out? All came out it feel comfort comfort. Show coming out of it in terms of understanding your father it was about delusions being real that they're only delusions to people. That aren't having them but to him. That's that's the ways brain is. This is life forever forever so got empathy empathy. But I knew I could not no more how we say man you crazy why are you doing? That's all you know. That's all it is and the family then don't really understand schizophrenic. So now this is what you have and I'm looking at up and I'm going to explain to my family like this is what's going on with him Regardless of what the you know the you know what you think is going on and they tell you about the shots this is reality that he lives in Israel so he's got of course not each your food or say you're trying to put him on. You'll see them outside. Ignore eating cactus plant and stuff like that because he really you are trying to pull them. And is my. Yeah which is tough for the Family. So we get closure. Yeah we got close. Which is a is a beautiful thing and life when you look at this journey and and and yeah. It's it's trippy like my whole city. Kind of trippy. Now my hours trippy. Yeah scare is Daddy. Death scares black people. That'd be scared that that. Lsd Top of the. They are not as not anything like this heavy in our community and Yet right yeah. Well you do it a lot. Done it enough to really get the message. Where'd you get hip to it? Our fear Oh yeah. Sh- room face twenty fourteen hours it and Joshua tree and I did and I'm the Creator and I gotta understand it. I had a human experience on mushrooms. First Mushrooms Yeah not a black experience. I explained people when the the the the weight of being blackness was gone the heavyweight and is that we care the trauma that we care reference slavery that ended. I had a human experience in find out. Actually what is to be human Which was like the good and the bad that the destruction that we have caused on this planet that all of us are responsible for as well as the beauty like everything. We got computers airplanes. We created from this planet. Yeah so and then I had a spiritual experience after that so I just kept moving up in levels are all on one trip or one trip and so you sixteen hours and you had to guide experience. Yep amid the Creator God in before I only have the voice the spiritual thing guy. Guiding me strong instinct. Don't do that. Don't get in that car. Yeah don't go over there that night right and things were happening so you learn a choice trusted voice right and then but mushrooms you met to create melted created. And when I say it's almost if I met got as a spirit and he was light you sit in the driver's seat and I realized that how connected we are till the source and every responsible our responsibility like almost we created plants and we create living things. And we're responsible for these things you know like. I couldn't even step on grass out there because they feel like the grass. We're looking at me like they were my children and like really like going deep into this vibration the vibrations. Yeah win turn in the Jazz. Everything's connected yeah so frequencies frequencies and not and I I can listen to rap music after that violent of the frequency of just like heavy heavy bays each year. Yeah Getting this real trippy music. Listen to for like a week but it took me a week to really come down. Good so reconfigured your brain. Yeah leave work with some trippy. Dudes you work with Eric Andre. He's Kinda out. There goes on on a whole. Yeah they own a whole `nother level but yeah they out there. Yeah Yeah so yeah. I end up with that. That whole alternative as all my alternative stuff. That's where it started came from an half to the trip Where the true everything led me there. Okay everything led me there and and then a traveling got heavy going to Japan going to Israel for the first time you girl with my girl and light you perform there. I did. Yeah Place Carl. The dancing camel. Yup So when he started doing comedy was primarily Black clubs black clothes. I got boo comic name. Run G was like Yoshua. Smart Clever you should do These white rooms and then I did the punch line and these other rooms in start having success. No I got in the punchline. Yeah I started working weekends and another friend of Mine Drew Thomas. He's like man. You rollin. Edge YOU CHECK OUT. These a lot of comics are out here that make people laugh and they do simple stuff check these comics out and a comic who was a television host. He was like Oh. See this guy why you want me to see this guy. And that was Joe Rogan. Yeah Joe Rogan. Cantu the punchline all Joe Rogan no light. Damn he talking about real. Like Shit like edgy. Shit here in front is conservative as Georgia crowd and then I saw Chelsea Chelsea handler. Come down and I was like oh so I can do this thing you know. I May and then sloppy squirrel. Kathleen Madigan Yeah Who is hosting for? You know the Klu would try to told me down. Hey you gotta tell now or they were cutting my time. Yeah and I was like if I'm if I'm killing these features. Why can't feature and they like they bring the features from La of New York. And I gotta go to La New York and that was the beginning of that talk. When did you move here? Two thousand eight yeah economic crisis. Yeah yes so. It sounds like you just went to school at the punch on. I went to school but really it was the beginning the beginning but leaving home and coming to La Sleeping in your car and like doing all that crazy shit man. For no reason. Could I work? I just could not work so I had to do. The other choice. Was the beetle bomb. Just work on the craft. Yeah I remember trying to get the job. My instinct was like why would you spend in three months trying to look for a job when I gave you the resources the tools to actually make money. That's what my instincts say it. Loud and clear. I was standing in line and fill out applications. And I'll stand with my homeboy. La You gotta pay rent or move out and I was in that line. I was like man. I gotTA move out. Yeah and I moved out and I slept in my car on Hollywood boulevard behind the laugh at it. Would've houses were and I remember like waking up in his neighborhood from coming from Inglewood here and I was like man. This is a nice area people jogging in the morning and I will go to that coffee. Bean on sunset and Neal Brennan just moved here and he saw me in a coffee bean and we still stay at his house that weekend and I realized like Oh I don't ask nobody shit. And then I ended up crashing on couches in me. Josh Animas. We squatted in band apartment in mid city. And then man. Josh tried to find a place together our credit and we will broke and then we gave up in the day we gave up. We found a place to live. And use 'em Beechwood here and it just was the nicest place one a nicer place. How long do you have there? We live there for like a few years Then my I was engaged at the time so my wife came and I ended up getting married or eight came out here. She came out and then that happened and the eight. We lived together eight months and it was one of the best time very presentations. F The place with Josh Yup. Josh moved out I with his girl and then I moved out with my girl Mary. I was married already when I moved. I moved here engaged in own eight. I got married and it was silly silly. You know what I mean. I know been married before and I was like I love this person. We'll try to make it happen but there's no way nobody getting married. Yeah stay in several places in like his all delusions so she came out here. She came here and then she moved back. We got we got. Divorced was not happy. That was the same night you got past the communist weekend I got past. I remember leaving and I went and did the store for Msci Mitzi but I was already like on the list of getting paid like I had already showcased. And what was it like when you met her? Did she was she? She was not okay but she does. Look this dreamy looking eyes. And she was in a booth at a booth in the kitchen at the time and I remember shaking a hand was like had a cold. One is to yeah very soft. And she's dreaming. She looked at me like that. Like in Thomas Mitzi. This his voice was so solved at the time about him. I'm at Thomas G. Her so solve he remember you saw tape in. He told me that she didn't she didn't understand shit. I own my showcase state here but she knew audience lightning like rhythm and I got past the belly room I yes. I was just working out at the belly room for that. Was the system the old system the whole system. And then I got brought down non-paid regular non pay regular and then when my wife? My ex-wife love got brought down to the mailroom. You got paid regular payroll two o'clock in the morning. Paris flew out and drove off in a u haul. And I remember the truck going around the corner and I was about to get real sad and I remember 'cause they made a left arm walking watching my mom walkout when we separated her making a left. So I couldn't get sad X. leaving because I realize like Oh shit. I got this other thing this other trauma that I haven't dealt with. Yeah and I remember going in the House and looking at Beta fish in the Beta fish died in a crowd is yeah. I had a little bow for a Beta fish. The fish that you buys cheap you get it at Walmart and survive anything. It could survive. Serve your your your your wife's family. They live and then it reminded you your mother leaving you at your and I just walked in the house in Athens taken a left. Yup and then you walk in the and the Beta fish died and then that's when I feel it felt like a failure because I could not keep a Beta fish already hard to keep a woman I get it but you but you just get past at the comedy store so so that was. That's what was going on there. What was going on here. Let go you real life and be a comedian. Yeah yeah that was the delusion. Start as I say. That's the question I what's the difference between a paranoid delusional father and a son chasing his dream. Well you have awareness do me amazing pretty crazy like no. I know but but you have tangible evidence that you are doing. Okay now yeah right so but soda. He is he. Yeah the end guy saying somebody's planning kill them and they got him locked in the hospital and they set him up and he's in a hospital right Care Gonna where is believed just as believable as me saying I'M GONNA make it in Hollywood Oh yeah okay but but the thing is is that you know. His his life was reacting. Your life was taking action right and you had a plan and you had a skill set and he sought out to do it. Yeah I mean it's a it's a long shot to make it in show business but you you had a path and the his life was constantly constructing and reconstructing conspiracy against him sometimes it was credible because he was locked up. But I don't see how that similar do you know what I mean. Yeah I guess I mean you gotTa be delusional to think you can make it in this business but after you commit and he worked the skill set and you get on stage and you do the business and you know you're good at it and you know you're creative and you make decisions to build your act and meet New People and take opportunities and stuff. That's not the delusion that delusion was thinking you can make it but learning how to do it and being successful at it. That's not a delusion that seems to be real yet so far okay. But I'm just trying to tell you is different. This is a little different yet. I don't know I guess I still think of an crazy way. It's crazy we do in a crazy business. It feels like it can all go away. They can and it care. That's the part. That's the scary part because I know what I seen. Success Go Away. I know man me too and I seen it in my dad too so it's always like that's different. Yeah like chasing money stuff I know is nothing there. I guess that's true. My Dad lost everything to and I and I. I don't necessarily see I can see why it happened and I'm not that Guy. I don't think I don't know hopefully I'll get compared to do. Yeah well I think you get well you know the thing is that you did something you know you took some risks with your brain sent it out there and you know you saw some shit you learn some things and came back and so now you've got that wisdom you don't live in it all live in it but you know when I'm sitting in an award show As a comedian. Yeah I'm always looking around like to focus this. How did I I know yeah me too but the better thing is is like what am I doing here and yeah this fucking ridiculous when I see you get excited because I'm like what do we do. Yeah this guy who do spots in the or and with through this game and it it made you into a brought out you right exactly. I got into comedy to get me and a meet and that's why I feel. I met at this moment like it brought. I'm able to talk about these things. Yeah and it's like and now everything I get from. His is a by product of the voice right. Oh math found. He found yourself in. That always keeps me fucking straight in the head. You know like Even at the award show. I like the idea that like you know. You still fucking do big things like it was weird that I went to that award show and I didn't have a spot later like you know. Yeah like I always do that. Kinda Shit I'll go do an amazing thing and I'm like fuck. I guess by Sarah Silverman's party like you know after the whole thing. Oh Yeah and then I get over the or Yep and and it keeps me grounded. I did that the night before. I W I went to a William Morris. Party drop layoff went to the Improv. Came back picked up. Went to the laugh at it then the store. Dan went home right. So you know who you are this crazy guy do that to talk. Cedo so we. Yeah in a Tuxedo. Right Joe Mush it. Don't go over with all the time when I'm wearing a took. Yeah so nice to give it a try man. I think I think what we've though is that you know whatever journeys were no matter how crazy you're angry or delusional we are we. We know who we are because of standing on that stage I agree and I I try to give the people man like life is ups and downs to some mation of it and we got enjoy. You know the the real are how to enjoy the downs just like we do ups because when you see somebody pays you know a few people pass and they smile. Look like I did it. That's what it's about in the day where the lower life good or bad we we we gotta do it agreed. Thanks for talking to me. Buddy thank you. This has been been on Blissett Byron that is Byron. You feel like you just got out of ahead. Yeah you can see Byron. Do his work. I think you can look them up online. See some of that comedy. Some some of his comedy but you can also see him in honey boy the film the show a booth movie that Byron's Partner directed being see that on Amazon prime video and a reminder the documentary about the G. Merman comedy festival it started as a joke comes out tomorrow April third on video on demand platforms. He can pre-order it now on itunes. Eugene is an old friend of the show and the stock is about a lot more than a comedy festival. He created a very moving story about the healing power of comedy. And now I'm going to play To peddle through the Vibe River vamp using the built in Vibrato can do a little rock with with my strat cast. 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Introducing Impeachment Today

Worst Year Ever

01:08 min | 10 months ago

Introducing Impeachment Today

"Impeachment I mean police right I'm haze Brown reporter and editor at Buzzfeed News we've been telling the story of the trump presidency and all the lows and other lows for years now but this is different follow politics for a living so I feel you. It's hard at apple podcasts on the iheartradio APP rever you listen to your favorite shows right now we're starting this Thursday October twenty fourth and we're going until this ends however it all ends listen and subscribe to impeachment today I heart radio are teaming up to launch impeachment today the daily podcast with the authority perspective and Dare I say whit required to get through this crazy news moment in just Hindi fifteen minutes every weekday morning we're going to catch you up on what just happened figure out what it all means and give you the context you need to understand w. t. f. is really going on up with all the news around trump's impeachment from the hearings to Ukraine to whatever that was Giuliani just said we're here to help you sort out what matters and what is just noise so buzzfeed news.

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Apple to make its own exclusive podcasts

podnews

03:33 min | 1 year ago

Apple to make its own exclusive podcasts

"The latest from Pod News Dot Net apple plans to make its own exclusive podcasts Bloomberg reports apple has quote reached out to media companies to discuss buying exclusive rights to podcasts. It's initially unclear what this means for. The I tunes CNN's A._P._I.. That many other podcast APPS US or indeed what it'll mean to android users but for an indication as to how important podcasting is for competitor spotify's investors their stock price fell by three percent following the Apple News who's the folks behind single file have released their podcast as a cassette and in the comments of the Patriot linked to we learn many others have been released as a U._S._B.. Tape a USB key. That looks like a cassette which is pretty. Pretty Neat U._S.. Sports Network E._S._P._N.. is to launch a morning podcast. It's to start in early October. The company have also said that their podcast users have grown ten percent year-on-year minority shareholder of Lipson says that it has succeeded enforcing the company to convene a Special Meeting K. Mak which owns six point five percent of Lipson wants to replace the board of Directors and change the company's corporate governance shares in Lipson closed up almost almost five percent yesterday on the news at a five-year high but don't worry people called rob and probably Dave are expected not to be affected by this news Lipson has released a new version of their software update four one nine which only. Only impacts those starting new podcasts but is aimed to help those users Jack reciter has published four ways to check the popularity of podcast. One trick is to use gas box. He says which shows both total subscribers and total downloads of a podcast and as an aside cars pox lets you claim your podcast and add your social media and other links to it just search for your podcast on cass box and the claim button to start policy has announced a new curated rated playlists feature will increase in your bit rate mean more Listeners Simpson's Rob Walsh wrote a piece back in two thousand sixteen backed by data and mentioned in the feet this week surprisingly raw points out that w. t. f. with Merrin. MM is encoded at just forty kilobits a second now from earlier this year. We've also published a page with lots of different bit rates and sample rates so you can hear or not the difference you'll find it linked from our episode notes and our newsletter today Eh Southern California public radio has launched L._A.. Ist Studios which will focus on developing podcasts on issues specific to Los Angeles in California in the U._S.. How we look to lots of advice today including a better away to listen to podcasts now? If you get on newsletter you now have the opportunity to get hold of something money can't buy we have pod coasters. Yes and they're there for you. If you can help spread the word about pod news you'll find a unique link to share at the bottom of your newsletter and if you're not getting our newsletter you really should it's at Pod News Dot net. You'll find more details on the many many things you could be using our podcast of four episode notes and.

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BrainStuff Classics: What Determines Your Hair Color?

BrainStuff

05:55 min | 8 months ago

BrainStuff Classics: What Determines Your Hair Color?

"Today's episode is brought to you by Lexus. You at Lexus. Their greatest curiosity is you because the most amazing machines aren't inspired by machines they're inspired by People Dole. That's why Lexus asks different questions. Better questions more human questions like can you see with your ears and answers are as inspiring as you are. which may they leave you with one question? What amazing ideas will you inspire next? Discover the answers at Lexus dot com slash curiosity. Today's episode is brought to you by homeadvisor. Finding finding the right pros for home. Projects can be tough and spark a lot of questions. Like how do I find a pro who can help. Will they do a good job while I get a fair price. That's homeadvisor can help from. Leaky Faucets to major remodels homeadvisor connects you to the right pro for the job in seconds and even help you get a fair price. Read reviews check project cost. I'd and book appointments go to Homeadvisor DOT COM or download the free homeadvisor APP and start your next project. Welcome to brainstorm the production of iheartradio. Hey brain stuff lauren. Bogle bomb here with a classic episode from our archives featuring former host Christian savior. Today's topic topic is an excellent bit of everyday science. What determines your hair color and why do we go gray a brain stuff? It's Christian. I in Sagar. Sometimes you're right in the middle of cleaning up the drain in the shower. And you start pondering questions like. Why is my hair color different color from my mom's tair or my neighbors hair or my roommate's disgusting Soggy Three Foot Long Wolf's tail drain Wad? What's the real difference between blond hair black hair red hair and everything in between well? The main structural ingredient in human hair is a protein called Carrington. It's what your hair and fingernails are made of but also what's behind the Silky Sheen of wool bear claws and horse hooves. Mom Don't you just want to run your fingers through those Hove's but Carrington on its own is not very colorful and if all humans had in our hair was Carrollton Harrison. We'd look like eighteenth century. French aristocrats in powdered wigs. Because we'd all have the same sort of white colorless hair but at Carrington is not the only ingredient in human hair to create natural color. You need to add pigment. This is done by cells in the skin called Milan ascites lights. These MILANA sites create the natural pigment known as Melanin and deliver it to the cells that create the Karen for your hair and this melanin comes in two varieties varieties you melanin and feel melanin. You Melanin dark pigment. That gives hair brown or black color. Feel Melanin in is a lighter. Pigment that gives Harry Red Orange or yellowish color. Both of these are present in varying degrees. A person might have had a little of each or a a lot of one in almost none of the other so someone with black or dark brown hair probably has a lot of you. Mellon a redhead has a lot of feel melon ellen and blondes. Well they don't have very much of either one so what happens when we get older and start to go gray. Well you can probably guess over over time Milan. ASCITES start to die off and any new hair that grows has less pigment so it looks gray or white but you might be asking what what determines the Melanin to feel melanin mixture to begin with who writes that recipe well primarily it's your genes for example the Molyneaux court in in one receptor or MC One r gene when the protein associated with this gene is active Milan ascites. It stimulates them to make you Melanin Linden the pigment that colors black or brown hair when MC ONE R is not active in the Milan ascites cells they make mostly feel melon and instead and hello Louise's lease but the MC One r gene is not the only genetic factor that controls hair-color like most of your traits hair-color is actually affected affected by more than one genetic variable for example in twenty fourteen a study in the journal natural genetics linked blonde hair in northern Europeans nations to a genetic mutation in one single nucleotides controlling gene expression in hair follicles. They even bread mice with the the same tiny mutation in the mice had lighter colored for then mice without the mutation. Today's episode was written by Joe McCormick produced by Tyler. Clang brain stuff is production of iheartradio's house works to hear more from Joe. Check out his new podcast invention or the old standby stuff. Blow your mind of course for more than lots of other Harry topics visit our home planet. How stuff works dot com for more podcast? My radio visit the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever every listened to your favorite shows so impeachment. I mean holy right if you want to know W. T. F. is going on right now. Well I've got just the podcast for you. I'm haze Brown a reporter and editor at Buzzfeed News and the host of impeachment today a daily podcast produced in partnership with iheartradio in just ten to fifteen minutes every weekday morning. I'll catch you up on. What just happened with the help of other buzzfeed news reporters to figure out what it all means and give you the context you need understand w. t. f. is really going on right now? Listen and subscribe to impeachment today on the iheartradio heart radio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen.

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Listener Stories, December 26

Family Secrets

09:57 min | 8 months ago

Listener Stories, December 26

"The completely redesigned twenty twenty four explores the greatest exploration vehicle of all. Time won't take you to the moon or the bottom of the sea but those places have been explored already instead instead. It's going to take you on explorations that everyone can relate to but few have conquered like complicated interstates new towns on vacation or grocery store trips with cargo space to haul everything you need or winding gravel roads to get to the birthday party for a kid in your son's fifth grade class the all new twenty twenty four to explore the greatest. I xe vehicle of all time. Family secrets is a production of iheartradio. This January Danny's taking family secrets on the road. Good to get your tickets visit. Danish appear DOT COM I'm Dani Shapiro and this is family secrets. The secrets that are kept from us the secrets we keep from others and the secrets we keep from ourselves. I've heard from so many about your own family secrets and realize that we are creating for each other on this. PODCAST is is a community a community for those. Were looking for a safe and supportive. Space to unburden themselves to that end. We've created a number for listeners to call Dan to record stories to share here in this space this week. I'd like to share a few of those stories from our community. Thanks for listening. Hi Danny I am grateful for You doing the family secrets podcast. I just stumbled upon it and and It's probably been really healing and the work that I am doing within my own healing journey and the secrets within my own family. When I was about twenty three a big bomb was dropped in the middle of my life My beloved grandmother had just passed away and I was sitting with my aunt and we were talking about Kind of how awful. My GRANDPA had had been his whole life. And you're just kind of sharing stories back and forth like remember the time granted. I did the old remember time. Granted those you know and just kind of One upping each other of how awful he was. You know not not not the best story and then my aunt All of a sudden good. Yeah like a time GRANDPA's than your mom away to have her the baby and he thinks she knew immediately that I had no clue what she was talking about. At first I thought maybe she was talking about me me and I asked I was like we me what and And then she just started my started crying and she was like. Oh my gosh. You don't know Gosh. Oh my gosh I thought you knew and my mind Totally vanishing there. And my mom had spend walking in the house at that time and my aunt grabbed my mom and both just took off and left me standing there and Then and my mom came back and told me that she had gotten pregnant when she was young and That my GRANDPA had forced turn to go to a different state and give her baby up for adoption and and it came out later that she has even like baby. You for some rural Weeks I think almost a month and then She wanted to come back home with the baby but my grandpa he just. I wouldn't have it let secret in my family has to do with the death of my dad's mom when he was five years old back in the thirty. S. I was always told that his mom died of a kidney infection and that no antibiotics were developed by then and there was waco saver was also told My mom as a child. My Dad had overheard someone saying that. His mom had never been the same after he was born and so that he sort of felt responsible even though he was only five years old and Her her obituary just says she died after two weeks of illness. But I always had a feeling that. There's something fishy about the story because if it ever came up in conversation with my dad or his just stir it just seemed awkward and Then 'cause my dad did let's say that he didn't think his mom was very happy and I asked him why just to way and said. Oh I don't know so I just had a feeling something was because they will not be hundred percent truthful about it. But doing genealogy we chaika her and some states redact the cause of death ask but the state they lived in did not so it said she actually died of mercury cyanide poisoning and it must have been pretty pretty horrible because the there's a certificate says the poisoning took place on one day and then her desk actually happened ten days later and Mercury Korea cyanide was used in enough photography back then so I guess would have been not that hard to obtain but it's extremely talked thicken it causes your kidneys to shut down eventually and it causes severe gastrointestinal problems. So she was in the hospital title for ten days and died so It was very shocking to see that even though I kind of suspected it. I haven't discussed it with my dad or his sister. They are doing okay but they're at advanced age now and I don't know it would just be more heading to bring it doc And it would be worth and When I see my daddy live two thousand miles away. I just WanNa have fun with him. You know I don't get Cassim that offense though I haven't really the subject I don't know I should so I i.. My Nice family secret is my own secret years ago to me. On after I had had left husband nickless daughter tonight had sex. One time you got pregnant with my son and after that we had kind of became extinct gene and then found out. He was doing drugs on they needed to live. And you threatened to kill me and one day in the back of my car. After he'd made up threat I told security of my work and they came out with me every day and he stabbed the security guard him laid rush off. Nobody's ever heard from me after I.. They had back into my life and said that he wanted to give us an office live and family and I said that I'll scrap. What was I do On his name's sins on mentioned certificate. Yeah my son does not know he has another father biological father and I don't know why should never tell them listening to your podcast. I know that too much damage will be done something that I share everybody recently. Recently I told my wife no forty years and I was like a complete accident into what happened and I was so ashamed because I thought that I told them but I didn't shameful so yeah that's me. I don't know if it'll ever come out and if I wanted to thank you so much outcasts because it really brings a light to to my world. Thank you if you'd like to share your story. You call one eight eight eight secret zero and record your story. We won't be able to run all the stories but we do want to shine a light on as many as we can. The number again is one eight eight secret. And then the numerals zero For more podcasts. From iheartradio visit the iheartradio. UH-HUH APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to your favorite shows so impeachment. I mean holy right if you want to know W F is going on right now. Well I've got just the podcast for you. I'm haze Brown a reporter and editor at Buzzfeed News and the host of of impeachment today. A daily podcast produced in partnership with iheartradio in just ten to fifteen minutes every weekday morning. I'll catch you up on. What just happened with the help. The other buzzfeed news reporters to figure out what it all means. And give you the context. You need understand W. T. F. is really going on right now. Listen and subscribe to impeachment pitchman today on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen.

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Ep 1 | The Murder

Murder in Oregon

42:31 min | 10 months ago

Ep 1 | The Murder

"When it comes to sports history doesn't change or does it come find out we're against them as they achieved their title of best of the best iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts fell is it okay if I ask you a few more questions I am the newspaper columnist who branded Jespersen the happy face killer he on this story the one thousand nine hundred nine murder of Michael Frankie who is the director the highest levels of politics and power it's never been solved public official who discovered corruption in his own department and he was stabbed in the heart in front of the building where he worked and they made up the evidence against him put him on trial Norm Brad Pacheco and this as a columnist for the Oregonian mini called Ville obsessed the word obsessions kind of funny anyway I mean it I I will plead guilty to that two option he writes about bill once told me he prefers the company of criminals to politicians security president was in Santa Fe and Mike Liz with the AG's office Mike Fell Kevin projects the weariness and frustration of thirty years spent trying house fight the frames of his wire rimmed glasses he looks a lot like pictures of Mike I in Howell and John Wayne and he's always holding a fat cigar whether it's lit also I didn't have a lot of interaction with Kevin but Mike and our very close Michael was a high school football star and wound up with a half scholarship to Kansas University so that's how he wound up in New Mexico original law school gave him a full scholarship was living Stephen Law School according to Pat Mike was offered a job at a under drug interdiction program which interacted with all the states that border At the time Mike Frankie moved to New Mexico the and overrun with cockroaches and mice food was inadequate and prison officials a US and what followed was one of those violent prison riots in US history Armao from anywhere we started talking about these was horrifying torture brutal killings men pushed the inmates were breaking out of prison to get away from the most unspeakable his six inches of blood and gets in the dormitory where the the inmates dead and over two hundred injured twelve officers have been Civilian inside the president of the National Guard took the prison over body parts he had a pair of Lucozzi boots at his house that it's just stained with blood and his permanent reminder of the the lesson they taught he had a family room that he had gone desperate he kept his handgun Smith and Wesson forty four magnum on the top of that and his pager Turgeau and but there were constant reminder of that was listen to fix the problems that caused it moving onto the attorney general's office where he grams he felt that education was the path of prison to break the cycle occasion of the college ribbon cutting was after he had moved up here to it's driven to improve corrections regardless of the obstacles Toco corrections in the state of Oregon was experiencing its own difficulties how's the eighty-six investigation when a local state senator. Lb appeared to have an investigation well the state police didn't have much choice the governor was one per se stealing a cow nother for taking tools and that was the purpose of the investigation just to sweep it under the rug and instead of one cow there was out of the prison drug dealers in the prison protected prison officials using they're they're brilliant solution was to let some of the prisoners out for week and let other people use their bunks houses and so around the prison there were a number of stover all of that you know what's clear is that after the state police negation hadn't gotten to the bottom of the rampant corruption in the corrections department Fast forward a year there's a new governor impeachment for a living and it's hard for me to keep up sometimes with all the news around trump's impeachment wild historical moment everyday I'm talking to buzzfeed news reporters who've been following understand W. T. F. is really going on right now listen and subscribe Neil Goldschmidt it mayor of Portland very very gifted guy that's today he's an affable businessman with a booming laugh and tons of stories about Oregon's lost the next election so he came home and was hired by Nike and decided to run for governor when he won the election he did a pretty Armenta crashes and one of the biggest problems like the mob corrections a cousin an uncle a brother sister and they basically interlocked and protected adds to Goldschmidt knew he had to do something about corrections and Mexico corrections department by taking the mob leaders and putting them in isolation overwhelmed by overcrowding and corruption. Here's fell Neil word of prison warden you you see in the movies he was a lawyer he was a former judge the same guards the same inmates he's getting the same information tim needed fixing he wasn't given the full picture he didn't know wrist reasons dealers didn't work out there was just a whole of reason assistant director Elise Clawson who recalls their first meeting with the governor Mycosis they're listening kind of like oh well us as someone who was until she aspects and Hill Mike Frankie was a transplant very impressive guy very capable L. dignified black man which is worth saying in Oregon because there are very few it was the head of the Legislative Committee that Frankie was supposed to were the person who still cared we had a real sense of fold and so it was really very exciting former representative chuck sides I can't change people can detain them if they want to change they changed everything the justice system you can put all the effort and money you want to into the catch basin and the punishment families child abuse substance abuse parenting skills that optimism was ill-fated quit support his job became increasingly difficult and began

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Deliverybros Season 2 Episode 18: Changes of Integrity means growth

Deliverybros

29:38 min | 7 months ago

Deliverybros Season 2 Episode 18: Changes of Integrity means growth

"Have you ever thought about starting your own podcast when I was trying to get this podcast off the ground. I had a lot of questions. How do I record an episode on? How do I'll get my show into all the people that listen to? How do I make money from my podcast? The answer to everyone of these questions is very simple anchor anchor as a one stop shop for recording hosting 'em Distributon your podcasts best of all. It's one hundred percent free and ridiculously easy to use and now anchor can match you with great sponsors. Who wants to advertise on your podcast? That means you can get paid to podcast right away away in fact. That's what I'm doing right now. By reading this ad I will tell you one of the things I love about. This APP is connected me to a lot of other Philip podcasts. Her members and to be quite honest. It's great feature so you've always wanted to start a podcast. Make money doing it go to anchor dot. FM SLASH START THAT IS ANCHORED DOT FM slash. Start to join me in a diverse community. podcasters already using anchor the anchor that FM slash start. I can't wait to hear your podcast by UH and the the delivery Bros.. Testing one onto three they will sub guys. This is Anthony Anthem. Aka Mistake. Usually do a longer intro. But today Staffer media really talk about what's been going on so a lot of you don't know what's going on and why so away from me putting out a episode of this week There's been a lot of things going on recently My Publicists Ni- got into a lot of issues as of late and is also my good friend in his name is Steve. I'M NOT GONNA go into detail on what happened because I'm just. I'm just not trying to go there right now. 'cause the whole situation we've disappointing disappointing. But it was just things that morally can continue to to be a part of. I was very confused last week. what everything that went on and still trying to process was for next moved to be honest. I don't know who does that. Listen to this and I appreciate you. Whoever you are And I just want to say thank you first of all because this has been a year long journey for me with everything that's going on and not allies been tried at times because I know I know I'm not anywhere yet. But his par cash ed hostile working to get better at it every day. Because I want wants to provide good contents and bring something to the table that people can relate to. I'm still working hard on trying to bring a podcast. That's GonNa have different ideas. Conversation is supposed to be an open conversation and so I feel like I can speak openly shoe about just. The fact is a lot of changes going on My middle health is good and everything. Nothing like depressing. That I'm just I am a person that is as I get older. That integrity is more important to me than cutting corners. I have realized overused that. I'm trying to be the best meet every day. I've said that quite a few podcasts. And frankly I think this direction action going in is bigger than me just being some popular guy or having a thousand guests on or aw whatever you know. I'm doing this thing from the best of my ability because I know for a facts. There's a lot of people doing this. And I understand that maybe on won't be the next show rogue you maybe won't be famous but but there's something therapeutic about the podcast. It helps me kind of think. A Better Outlook look. Just come. Get some clarity thirties conversations. I may be have and I've never tried so hard. It's something in my life the one this podcast and a lot of you guys who have been listening on his journey for the past year you know always been quite the rise. Some of these interviews have been super awesome. Some of them have been weird and some of them were just like the W. t. f. uh-huh and it's been a journey in and spend amazing. Sometimes it's you know is this podcast is uncut unfiltered altered a lot of time. I have proper interviews because not everybody. Is You know regular people. I know when I put on a regular people. I know as you've seen it's more easy going but there are people that are click with that. I can just have a raw conversation with and really just you know. Have a basic human interaction through this podcast. I want to continue to do that. I am not giving up just because things didn't work out with this publicist this or whatever I am going to continue to strive and I hope that you guys stay with me on a ride. You might see more me. You might see a couple more guests every once in a while. I'm still trying to figure out how I want to reformat this thing I got a new logo. You can check it out also I got a new website to I know you guys are probably like. Oh you finally made. A website is still a work in progress. But what I've got thus far. I decided to go with a word for us. I think that it would be a great great format. Really you know. Start bringing in more feedback or you know maybe I could start email lists and you know you guys you know An open opportunity to you know. Ask Me Questions. Speaking of which guys feel free to message me on social media I'm not even kidding. I will talk to you. I don't care you're from a different country. I don't care if you're from here. Maybe getting English is not good as go. I've got a translator to so you wanNA listen to me. And you know you WANNA give feedback. I want that feedback. I WANNA be able to give you something better to listen to because I mean I'm trying to be the best I can because I mean I feel like I'm actually getting somewhere with. This is take time. I don't care if it's just five of you listening or as five hundred I I will love feedback from anybody cutty. Who feels like they need to talk to me about anything or just kind of shoot the shit? NEONS and a website that that's now mine on is Delivery rose podcast DOT WORDPRESS DOT com. No I am not getting paid to advertise. Were pressed but that is my website right now. I'm working on. You know maybe getting the domain fully suck the delivery rose dot com. GimMe Tom Announcer right. Now go to delivery browse. PODCASTS D. E. L. V. E. R. Y. B. R. O. S. P. O. D. WE SEE A. S. T. DOT wordpress dot com. Subscribe to subscribe to my Youtube Channel. you can find out or delivery. Bros podcast you can also find me on social media delivery Bros. pod for the that. The twitter twitter delivery Bros pod sweater Muslim donald beyond their messing around around looking at independent wrestling. This stuff as you know. He's rustling thing. I try not to make the focus strictly about wrestling. I just wanted to give you guys a piece of personality and things alike. I mean he's anime fan on podcast. I like talking to people who will join movies. leasehold been in movies filmmakers. I've had I mean you know who I've had it. You've listened or you can listen to pass up it's all to see for yourself Anybody new that's listening Welcome to the PODCAST. Course I don't want you to feel like you being singled out because I'm just talking to you know people who have been ride with me. I appreciate you going on this right to hope that you continue to enjoy whatever it out. Oh Yeah You can find me at delivery. Rose podcast on instagram. Or you can just kill them regular Anthony Anthem page. I got one for both because at the time me and my brother were doing it together but Yeah delivery rose podcast. This was And my brother resorted together for a while but of course you know. He's not he's not really into this podcast thing like myself but it's okay. I mean he comes on every once in along. We have plumbed Redo the episodes. I mean. He's got his own life right now. He's in a relationship with a pretty good guy. And and I'm wishing the best and of course you know you can find me on Anthony Anthem on instagram. As well and you defined to facebook page delivery rose or Anthony Anthony on facebook now. Another thing I want to talk about is I had a conversation with a gentleman today at my job right now. I'm doing a job where I am driving Guys who work at a railroad you know and I take them to the train yards and things of that nature based just driving around and stuff all day not a hard job upped. I'm actually very happy to have. It gives me Ta kind of do. I need to do in between dropping them off driving them somewhere and I couldn't get some other stuff done throughout the day so I'm multitasking a lot that still dj and still doing that Giga Fun. I mean right now. I'm just trying to find more enjoyable ways to use my time but at the same time still you know ride ride it out and get some work done because I mean the be honest. I'm not making anything as far as I'm not saying that to be like an asshole and I'm let that shoe do I am poor. I'm so poor. I licked food stamps for dinner. And that's a quote from Chris. Rock Rama noodles is on them. Then you I am that for but I am not GonNa Complain. At least I got some food in my stomach in Gaza finance the key me going And you know that's just how it is right now so keep it real what you. I'm poor guy doing this. podcast making things happen. But you're opening my patriotic delivery. Rose Yeah I know I know that was terrible. I think I'm just saying. Hey Yo multiple plot the patriot. I'm also on go fund me as well And you can probably find links below or in the advertisements of my post on my social media and stuff like that so so guys to all those listen even if you donate a dollar a dollar Holler Hala Hala Hala Donald Alex and if you argue my pay palace wealth or my cash which is dollar sign Anthony Anthem. Oh yeah that is my cash so feel free to cash at me. A loss about seventy already again. Okay so in the less shameless way because I feel ashamed of myself. Okay so seventy this rogue guy and it was just like a random conversation gone to a conversation about just how the the world's changing and just how the government really doesn't give a shit you know Yadda Yadda okay sorry about that actually pushed a freaking wrong button so anyway so medium conversation about you know government should and all that you know. I'm one of those people. I remain independent because I don't believe either party is right at times and I'm not really a political guy. I try not to get too political on my show because Republican Democrat or not. I'm not trying to single somebody out for their own values and beliefs your trump supporter. He's not my cup apetit. I've expressed it in a lot of different ways and I'm not gonNA lie sometimes. It's just what it is. I'm I'm not a deep until it. I still had this great it. Because he's at the end of the day I don't believe what his policies are. That's it but he's still. The president of the United understates ain't nothing I can do about it until it's time to you know go use my rights go vote so if you're gonNa vote Republican and you're GonNa revolt them is all good that I don't care just vote for who is right for you because at the end of the day is about us the people and use that all right. That's all there is to so we had that conversation we were talking about the fact that like we're just kind of going in opposite opposite ways and then on top of that. I told him when it came to you know political parties so I don't really care who's WHO's Republican Democrat. I A care about who's going to be a man or woman of the people and that's really important. Somebody that can understand and relate to. I haven't have been able to relate to any of the president's to be quite honest because the fact that one a lot of doom came for money. I don't come from money. I don't understand what a blue collar job is. A lot of them have had wealth majority in their lifetime and had never had trouble without. You know worrying about how the bills are going. Be Paid or how you'RE GONNA get food on the table EXCETERA CETERA. Only person. I think and this is my personal opinion and I could be wrong. But I've ain't Bernie. Sanders is the only person I know who knows what it's like not to have anything but I mean from what I've seen I mean he's a man of the people but the only concerns I have is is. Is he going to be a wall to you. Know be able to do the job especially at his age. He's been around for a very long time and I appreciate people like him like him and this is bigger than him. Being a Democrat is more of the fact he's relatable and he obviously cares about about other people for who they are and not to cover a skin not their income he he. He's actually somebody that actually. Actually I could feel like I could just walk to have a conversation like a regular Joe and just you know feel passionate Russian. I could feel energy or something like that. It's more just like a is more like a How can I say it? He has his energy about him. That shows that he's really passionate about what he does. What he wants to do is change thanks? I'm not saying he's GonNa Change things if he got elected. But it's important to me to find more people like that. If a Republican was like that somebody I could feel like that understood me as a person as an individual I would be down for. He could be some. You know all American American American American American American American American but he also understands me as an individual and maybe that's what other people see when they see. Donald Trump talked about that we talked about. You know being different me in a minority. We talked about police brutality. This is all like a twenty minute conversation. Me Driving Him to Israel Yard and it was a nice conversation. That's a whole important porn. Part of it is. It was the first time I felt like I could talk to somebody not be on guard. noggin yelled that. And and this is the first few months like I feel like I can actually talk about my views with somebody body. We kind of had the same common interests. He ended up being a nice guy. I mean he was like guy from a small town in Nebraska. It's funny 'cause like when he first came into car online. I was just like you know. Probably countrywide guy probably fills kind of weird being around me. Because I've had that worked at this job and he may be. I think right in there that I was doing something that I should know. Better to do with Nashville. Somebody about why the cover which I did. I'm not going to see him. I feel like everybody does it. That was my perception. At the time I thought he was going to be conversational armour because I get a lot of those guys sometimes but he was really cool. He understood my perspective understood his. I mean to do with a mall Mexican neighborhood in La so he understood what it was like the beat a minority for wanting wanting his life and the because he was saying you know this is a bad time for white males especially guys who are trying to you know understand understand everything because that's what he's trying he's trying to understand what's going on he doesn't WanNa fight ally is. It's tough when you guys right now because of the fact you know a lot of these guys who either don't realize they're privilege or they don't realize I sued by realized you know there are issues that need to be addressed and need to be more awareness Because I know is not all white males I know was all white people. I know there are some people that don't even think about it themselves. I mean this whole thing about privileges kind of bigger than privileges. More a are you opening your eyes to the fact that things are not what what they seem or are you just I mean. Are you living blind. Are you actually aware in trying to do something about about it and it was great and album not offend anybody with this conversation. This is not my point my point is is we need to have more conversations like this I feel like is important. We don't have to agree with everything everything but we need to hold ourselves in a more proper way. Daddy's conversations and understand we're individuals we can. We had the right to think what we think but at the same time. I think it's fair that we should listen to each other DESCR spectators is about respecting each other under trying to at least have empathy. If I could say anything in this podcast if is so important to me because we don't have enough of it and that's one of the reasons why we feel so divided. We're scared where we're just wondering what's going to happen tomorrow. I mean the shootings the the rallies the government the builds the life in just trying to make it and live. There's already a lot the pile on then. Maybe you're person color who lives in a rough neighborhood or your person of color who is like first generation American and your parents are immigrants. And I mean there's so many different stories here this individuals that I would love to have more conversations like this. I understand cool who you are from the inside and seriously tell me me a story you are going to get nothing below from me so this is my reach out to you. That is sincerely. I want you to box me. Here's my email address is delivery bros.. Eight one six gene dot com. Send me an email asking me questions. Look I'm not gonNA. I'm not Dr Drew. I'm not Dr Phil. Even though he's not a doctor I probably won't be able to give any advice or anything like that. 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Elderly sex, the voodoo dick, & ghost lovers

WTF - Stories & Advice

1:02:52 hr | 3 months ago

Elderly sex, the voodoo dick, & ghost lovers

"Hello and welcome to the W. T. F. Stories and advice I'm Caroline Kranj office and we're both hypnotherapist and fucking crazy exactly especially. Hey New I would say is. You're almost as big of a know. It all may that is it is true. What's new have you have? You left your house and yet the second we went down a level I adopted to the beach and had a welcoming but then I got really mad that like such a special occasion to be able to go to the beach but then you know I have to put things in perspective and go. Oh my God. I'm on one of the most beautiful beaches in the world while King while some of the people are holed up in an apartment are dying in hospitals so pretty much as good. Yeah it's a funny time in the world isn't it? As an American living in New Zealand. I love living in New Zealand and I just my heart breaks for Americans and the rest of the world where it's really bad. It's just it's hard to comprehend what the hell's going on we`ll. Syphilis is just such a a bad disease spreading so quickly one of the rave syphilis now covet easy to get rid of NAM just getting you know that New Zealand is having a huge outbreak of syphilis. Yet and generally I think that is why prep pre exposure prophylaxis at said to stop the spread of HIV. Which you're not gonNa say must be a good thing but of course pretty much. Most of the guys that I know that are gay are taking that. Not using condoms anymore. So what that means that they're gonNA get whatever other sexually transmitted disease that condom stopped and hence break that. Yeah well you know where. The fastest growing group of people that are getting. Civilised is what age group it's seventy. Plus it's going rampant around Rest homes sex are through like through sex Gudang. Ronnie's getting Randy and yeah then they don't worry about getting pregnant so yeah they're all getting some bad. Std's it's not good. Oh I mean as you say you can treat it just with -biotics I think but you get it on. But we're condom family dumb. Yeah I know so. Check your grandparents. Make sure they have a good stock of condoms and explain the importance of even though they can't get pregnant or have to worry about that they still have to worry about. Std's like can I go into a rest home. Std's that'd be hilarious. I once had this client. Who was the most lovely gentleman he had to been? I think he was eighty eight and I think he had insomnia and that's why he came to me but he also is there anything else you want me to. Kind of put into the visualization or anything else when I address and he was like oh well. It's a bit embarrassing. But you know I've got a bit of erectile dysfunction and I was like okay. Yeah and he starts telling me how he had this lady friend who he would visit and he just wasn't able to get it up so he spent a. Lotta time pleasure in her but nothing was happening for him and he's bit disappointed so I told him to go get Viagra. Get THAT SHIT. Digital Mike unto feedback yet worked treats he was very thrilled. He didn't know that he could just go to the pharmacy. Or the chemist and by it over the counter which. You can't Zealand if you can do that in other countries but yeah here you just have to ask at your local drugstore and You can get it no interest in. Yes I remember in the house shop. We used to sell a lot of supplements to men and women in their seventies and eighties for rectal dysfunction. Chris Vito in that Kennedy thing. I remember Justin King because I was. I started working when I was twenty. One can hope like we get to have sex until we're ninety at least for the great. I remember when my most vivid Thanksgiving dinner memories was I would have been about maybe fourteen fifteen years old and my grandfather who was a lovely man tall handsome he was just. He was incredible. He had had a stroke a couple years before and it was very severe stroke and he was paralyzed on half of his body. This thanksgiving somehow the topic ought to sex and in my family there was no holds bars right. You could literally discuss anything. You probably would yeah. There's a serious debate but I think that's part of the reason why I'm a therapist and it's impossible to shock me right because I've heard it all so my grandmother starts going on about how well just because the body's not willing doesn't mean that modern science can't overcome it and her sex life is not going to be over so my grandmother is talking about how she wants to continue to enjoy this great sex life that her my grandfather had but since he's had the stroke that he's having difficulty getting up and so she goes by poor grandfather starts during a bright red and just literally wants to slide from his wheelchair to under the table. And so she comes. And she gets these brochures brochures and that there are two options. Were a penis pump. Both involve surgery so one was this penis pump that literally. It was like a balloon that went into the penis. And you could like have the cycle pump thing that was on the outside the body that you pump it up. So that was option. One and option plate your penis. You could inflate it. Like a balloon. Apparently Oh and then option too was that they would insert this kind of like a bendable metal rod from what I can remember this long time ago and so it was always going to be hard and you would just kind of bend it up and down. You know so my grandfather just like. Let's go on. He's looking red are and redder angering angrier and finally he starts banging his fist and he's like shut up. Shut up shut suicide conversation for the dinner table for Thanksgiving. Dinner with like yeah. Poll family gathered around. And I think everyone was so shocked that she was bringing this up in showing us as brochures that no one really said anything because we are all just like. Oh my God really. Yeah so I'm GONNA SHOOT ME MRS PRE Viagra Days. It must spe. I mean I don't know how long Viagra's been around but I just remember making a new like it was really big in the news when it came out and could have been ninety s or the early noticed but probably the nineties but yeah it was a for all these men. I did not know what they were. GonNa have to go through before Viagra. That's crazy but I'm so impressed that you can put a pump and inflate apart of the puppy. I I know I mean it must be just absolutely obsolete surgeries now. I'm assuming maybe I should look into it a bit more. I know that I definitely have some men that have had penile trauma so that actually where I guess you can break your Dick. Did you know this? I've heard of this? Yes yeah so. It's like breaking the kind of tendons or someone like just rides. Eli The RODEO and comes down a bit too hard. It's yeah you can snap that shed and It's not good so for some men. They have to use like an injection into the penis. And then that way it gets gets up there but thank God for Viagra. What a random fucking talk. I don't know it's probably going to affect most men as you get older right the more experienced so we just need to let everybody know when the time comes. You've got up since. Yeah some other things. I recommend. I mean obviously hypnosis and I have Several hypnosis for men's sexual issues that are you can listen to free on youtube if you are so inclined regarding being premature ejaculation or erectile dysfunction or Zaidi around sex but one supplement. I definitely recommend is L. Arginine Yeah Yeah Yeah we sell a project called Arjun. Max Moves Really High Doses of Janine with that with a couple of scenarios in there as well but then if you're prone to cold sores apparently that can aggravate them so exactly. Yeah that's that's what on Warren man? I'll be like. Oh this is a natural route. 'cause some men don't want to do or like or they can't take it. There's a few men that get bad headaches or they get this blue vision or something Yeah so I'll say L. ARGININE. But if you have the herpes virus you really don't want to take it and you can see the kind of like the brain ticking over and well what was the what other ones you recommend? Yeah the other thing. I'll say well I think of it is things that are quite important is selenium. Selenium definitely helps with making testosterone and zinc as well definitely so. Yeah the hair believe I mean? Obviously we take care of. You got to make sure the right for you. Check with your getting them. From Madame trip is one am Horny goat weed. Yeah Yeah that one and you'll often get them in formulas so like a whole bunch of these things altogether zinc selenium Arseny men like just take it all and Exactly this is got me thinking Told me about. The origins of the vibrate are the. I've told it on here. I don't think I have now. I bet because you know that's always going to be hard right so I don't know if you feel like it have well. I guess I assume everyone knows this but yeah I was telling it in class is like because we teach hypnotherapy in so obviously at the moment. We're doing it online. And somehow he got on the topic. I do like to steer the topic toward sex laws one of my things. I'm sex therapist as well. Yes so with women will. We're talking about the origins of hysteria Because we were talking about different therapists in the past and Freud and educating with the history of psychotherapy and hypnotherapy and yeah hysteria was a condition that a lot of women were diagnosed with. I think starting the eighteen hundreds Kinda mid late eighteen hundreds so hysteria meant wandering womb. So they'd have this condition where was diagnosed by doctors and it was that there womb was like wandering around career abdomen and causing them to become hysterical and what they found. The most effective treatment was four. It was pelvic massage and this. They would have this release when they massaged their pelvic floor and their clitoris. Well enough and they would there hysteria would be you know like they would have this kind of release of it and it would get better for a little while but they seem to need like weekly or even some women would have almost daily treatments of this and so the doctors got so. The doctors found that their arm. Scott really tired and it became like a huge. There's a huge demand for service right like all. These are lining up wanting this treatment because they just felt so much better with their hysteria released and they tried to get the nurses to do it and the nurses didn't really want to do it. The women the midwives they were not interested in doing this treatment and so though somewhere some were very interested very good at it as well and so that is how the vibrator was invented they invented a vibrator to manually stimulate these women to have their release of their hysteria and that as the doctors could just hold this vibrator up and I mean they must have been like kick started and had like a petrol. Engine back then but that is you have doctors to thank before they're lazy arms that we all can have a vibrator now. Gosh this such a story I mean how convenient Oh this woman definitely needs to fondle. That's her problem. She's not being fondled by me enough and I mean I was a woman in the eighteen. Hundreds and my doctor looked like one of the ones out of e r then. I would make a point of being historic well. I mean women's sexuality was completely unexplored. Really like it was like. Why even look at that? Yeah it was. Just women are for receiving sex and for giving birth but like Freud. I guess I got onto the topic of this actually was talking about how Freud believed that a orgasm from that was derived for stimulating. Clitoris was an immature orgasm. That yeah if a woman needed are clitoris stimulated that she was not grown up and she was immature. It was very girlish and to be a real woman. You needed to have an orgasm through penetrative sex without stimulating. Clarice check absolutes. But we're all Jealou- penises like come on fuck you. Freud is what I say. He did a lot of women to service because almost I mean they say seventy to eighty percent. I think it could possibly be higher of women. Need clitoral stimulus to have an orgasm that you can't just hop on and pound way and that a woman should see now amazingly GonNa have an orgasm. The clitoris is like the head of your deck. Right now is your Dick and you need stipulated. Yeah all defensive. End Point not being that intimate with women's anatomy. I remember in the past. I had saw that. That was the only way that women achieved Was with the clitoral stimulation is my friend. She had no. I won't go too deep into that. But basically one day she dated a guy with a giant coke. Yeah and she was like finally. I got my first orgasm. Ever from this pig achieved so happy for a month. She married him off so obviously he was hitting the right. Spots wasn't a are. They still together. No no yeah. It's Dick isn't the best reason tomorrow. Someone now though it it's a it's a good one but it's There's gotta be some other stuff there because the Dick stops working. Then we exactly stuck with an asshole literally talking about Dick's vibrators. I've got a story for you. The story of the Dick Dick Feeding Dick. Yeah Okay Right. Can I tell? Yeah okay so basically there was this guy and he. His wife used to cheat on him with his friends a state whether he was going on a business trip since that look. I'm going get her new sex toys to keep her can stimulate along the way it's otherwise she's just going to get two horns like cheap out so he went to this sexual and he's like hey. I need to explain the situation to my wife is really really Harney whenever I go way. Business shocking friends. Can you give me something? He acts explained to them at the sex shop worker. Yep Sex workers as you probably know are trying to open. Yes recessive so sensation. Well I've got something I could. Oh no no better not say no no tell me tell me what what are you thinking? What are you thinking that well hold on Close the door so close the front door locked and the shopowner win at the back. Got This box and brought it through. He opened up and the guy goes. Sedillo shopowners Noonan. Just you wait. Watch this DUDEK. The door on the Dick Jones. The top two long up into the keyhole the door and started talking really really hard. Shaking and vibrate and cracks started appearing the ceiling. Good box and Jumped back into the box. Yeah I'm taking it on the shop owners. I think he can afford it and so they did a bit of haggling into something. Like twenty thousand dollars later. Wow the guy walks site with this box to Dick Tony Ghost his wife. Lurk here here. This is if you get horny. Check my friends instead of giving them a call. Why don't you just take? This is all you have to say. Vidovic micro-uzi it's like okay. I got it so cheap. It's wardrobe. He goes away by fifteen minutes later. She's like oh I'm really horning. Maybe I'll call one of its trans. And she's like well versed so she goes into the wardrobe pills Out Goes Vinick my pussy and she just sees it jump up and it just jumps in the slams right into her and throw it back into bed and she's like shaken vibration an absolutely Lebanon. She's going wild doesn't take very long before she just has this. Massive Orgasm relented much fun and then it keeps going and stick. Ooh This is good. It's still good so so she has another Arkansas and it keeps going and she has her third and a fourth one stop for a while. She was really really loving this but eventually she's like okay. Okay fucking exhausted. I have to stop this so she tries to get. But you can't get hold of it and it's just fucking in fucking Shake it shake. There's another orgasm though. I don't know what to do so okay get one. We're going to do to try every since you can think of to get out but it's not coming out. I'm going to have to go to hospital because I can't get it out. And so she puts on a night trash. You know one of the ones that the schools all the way over. Yeah Jay Hopson to your car. And she's shaken. I just hold the mysterious wheel and trying to turn the key on just as she pills. H has another our guys on. I kinda drives a bit wonky. Oh sweat and just absolutely exhausted and she has go into the more weight to get to the hospital and so she's going quite fast and then jazz legally really massive orgasm that just makes her whole body crackle and she swears a policeman. Caesar and of course pills over just like fuck. It really don't need this car just waiting for the policemen to come with hard shoulder Shake shake shake hold them golden and tap on the window she opens the window is like what's going on here Sameness wherever all over the place in your Shakin like drunk or something like lately. I'm not drugs. I'm not drunk. And she explains to him the story of the Dick. Yeah police officer goes VIC know. You're not going to believe the letter that I'm going to read to you know. Just wait all my God. Yeah I can't believe it really are beginning to guess what it could be. Yeah Okay Hang on Oh my God okay here yeah that Okay Yeah. That's a very funny story. Obviously that's a story right. It is things get passed dine from someone. Okay all right hi guys. I love the show and I feel like you're the only people I can turn to for advice. At the moment I've experiencing something so crazy that I'm not sure if I'm having a mental breakdown or if it's actually happening either way it's not something I feel like I can tell my friends about else. They might tell my family who will have me. Committed recently rented a room in a house with a couple of guys who went to high school with. They got a super cheap rent in a really nice house in the suburbs. Close to where work of sick of living alone in a studio apartment in this place seemed too good to pass up the first night move in. I had this really vivid dream that we had another roommate. Who was living there as well. This guy was super hot. Just my type. Tall Muscular. Sandy blond hair bright blue eyes. I remember being disappointed the drain because I was so wanted to hook up with them and I have been taught not to shit where I eat the the next night the same guy was in my bedroom and he was telling me that I was in his room and we ended up making out and it was incredible. I spent the next few days and days as I all I could think about. Was this guy the next night. In my dream we ended up having sex which seemed like it was all night and it was the best sex in my life. I woke up feeling like definitely happened but I knew it was a drain. This starts happening every night in my dreams. I feel like we're falling in love so few days later. I'm washing my car fantasizing about my dream lover when a sweet older lady from next door comes talking to me. She asked me if I know about the family. Who lived there before me to which I tell her I didn't she then proceeds to tell me the family who lived there before their handsome twenty two year old son had died of an accidental overdose so they quickly rented out the house and moved to the beach home to get away. Yeah she describes this guy who dies and it sounds exactly like my dream lover. What the fuck. So I look at the guy's name and sure enough. There's an obituary a photo and I swear to God. It's the same guy now. I'm having dreams about him every night. He never answered my questions. I feel like this actually happening but I could be having a mental breakdown and I just don't know what to do. Oh please yeah. Do you think that's real well but is isn't real in this world that's it? It's a bit of a strange issue having sex with a ghost. Is She having sex in her dreams as ghost penetrating her dreams is penetrating her body? She swears it's like the same guy but only happens wrenches. Asleep pride when she's dreaming. Yeah I mean but she doesn't say she feels like someone's there. The House is haunted. I should write back to her. Maybe and just be like because it's quite possible like the she. She saw something about him in. The paper should seen a photo of him. Your unconscious mind when she moved to the highest Together because that was in the photo and triggered to think about him. Maybe he's like Kerr Mago her dream guy. Yeah Yeah. That's what stuck at our unconscious dreaming but on the other hand maybe having ghosts sex what Amin what are the odds that year like convinced. It's the same guy but yeah like you said maybe. She did see his picture in the paper and went. Oh he super hot and then compare lay in your dreams every person your dreams is actually someone you've seen before that supposedly. I don't know how you actually can like scientifically prove this but it's very possible. She had seen his photo. He was super hot. Yeah we had talked about how we talked about the Amalgam on this show. No I don't think so. Now the there's the IMAGO and there's the the Anima are the Animus yes that's probably more appropriate. There's Imago as well right. Yeah so I guess that Maga was the blueprint of your perfect lover right. It's basically if you're a guy our guy. What would you look like if you're a girl? Yeah what is your because we all have this like picture now head of what our like. Our ideal masculine. Kinda type is and if you're a straight male then you had your ideal female type obviously if you're a. It's probably how you would be if you were the opposite. It's there's always some kind of blueprints there isn't there of your idealized. Kinda lover and then we meet them. And then we realized they're not there with their own person and they have their own flaws and they're not the projection that we put onto them but maybe she's just lonely but maybe she is having sex with a ghost. I don't know what she to tell. The story of she asking for advice I think at the beginning to to mention. She's worried itchy. She's stiffer advice. Says please help. Yeah and saying that if she tells anybody that she feels like she's going to be committed I mean. I don't think that that having dreams about having sex as a commendable offense anymore. Now back in the low sixties. Probably you'd get to asylum for that. But then you get to sign up for being depressed for having post-natal depression. Yeah exactly for being gay. But I think if you if you have a therapist you know that you can trust. They're not gonNA commit for having a dreamer. Nick and listen to you exactly. And maybe if you've got a close friend. I find speaking religious or even if you're not speaking to someone in the Catholic church is really helpful if there's something that may be related to spirit Because they tend to be open to spurts causing trouble in doing things and you might get a listening ear there. I just can't imagine going down. I mean hey I went and talked to the local priest when I was having clients that we're talk it out talking and other voices and claiming to be demons are yeah and that was the most helpful for me. Actually but he said you know here's some holy water and say ten hail. Marys and put a crucifix up in your office which didn't really make it go away. Oh no what. He did say though what did help was he said you can tell you can ask. God to make it stop and that was helpful. Actually so okay. Here's the thing. I don't think either way you're crazy right because it's in a dream. It's not like you really believe it. I mean there's actually a disorder called spectrum field area or well maybe I should call it a disorder but there is a phenomenon of sexual attraction to ghost or sexual arousal to go. You know. So it's I guess in a way it's considered a fetish and there's definitely. I'm you see those news stories of the women who claimed to have ghosts lovers remember. Wasn't there one in the news. Not that long ago. Who said that she was having like this love affair with like some dead pirates or something but then later they broke up because he was cheating on her. If you are seeing it when you're awake and you really believed you're having sex with a ghost and you were having a relationship with a ghost then I would say you need to go talk to a therapist because it's a dream. I mean who am I to say? It's not real won't you curling? Every time in my lifestyle fallen in love it's being preceded by a dream of the person about to me so I have a dream. I'll fall in love in my dream away. Cup Go on. I'm not in love anymore by that person's not real. That's a shame. I really liked them. But then I just have knowingness that was about to meet them in real life and every single time I did and even even the job would be the same so in the dream that the job and then at the person that would be their job so you could be having sex with someone who's died or you could be just dreaming about having sex. Another option is that when you saw his photo it changed your memory of the dream to match it. So could've just been a dream of some guy you could dreaming guy you're about to me. Yeah I agree and would not be if you could meet like your Pathak Guy. He'll just like that. And when you meet them your unconscious is prepared you for him. You ready at Saint Louis. He's come in better. Get ready but get used to somebody that beautiful. Penola this attention unloving. You guessed That's what's happening to you. It's GonNa happen the same for him when he meets you. He's GonNa recognize you as well. Yeah that hey I I like that explanation. The best out of all of them. But I don't see any scenario where you're actually crazy normal. If you don't think your family is receptive to talk about that thing I mean I wouldn't talk to my family about sex dreams anyway to speculate so don't feel bad about not being able to talk about it. If you talk to your friends about that then I would suggest getting some new friends. Yeah exactly and your friends might be more open than you think but I mean what you could say God. I just had this really crazy. I had this really crazy dream about this guy living in the house and we had this amazing sacks and then the neighbor just tells me me no wonder. They got a bargain on the house. Yeah sounds like the family just moved out quickly. And obviously what's what's going on the world. It'd be hard to kind of sell a house at the moment. Yeah and just say and it's just so weird is because the woman tells me about the son that died in light looks the same photo I would be. I wouldn't be judgmental with that. I think you're probably might be jealous as well if they think he's kit with would you Kurt cobain of your dreams. Yes I went actually. Yeah Yeah George Clooney. Now I would not kick him out. So it's it's on. It's probably quite non on probably a lot of people have sex. Yeah especially people another. Here's like if you're not having sex in real life or masturbating. Maybe it's just expressing through your dreams. So that's that's maybe something to think about exactly. Yeah and I think it's I mean your subconscious. Obviously it's creating this in some ways. So maybe it's just showing you what you're missing out on and how much he would actually enjoy taking a lover. So yeah when you can start looking dating because I think while you can have a lot of fun at night in your dreams I it still doesn't replace. Yeah the satisfaction of a real relationship with another person. Hey if you can have both you know more power to you. That's pretty cool. Don't tell them not to make a jealous. Yeah I've probably seen anyone else. Well not not anyone alive then. You might have some issues with people worrying about your mental help. Yeah well thanks for sharing that. That's pretty intense and I can see why you would struggle with telling me in but yeah right right right about it. That's that's what I find you. Could you could write it as a short story. 'cause it's certainly interesting. Yeah right as short story in and decide you know what your problem is that you can't speak about it if you want it to go away as Carl says just ask address universes say. I don't want anymore. Yeah and and it will just go away otherwise you know pettit of dream. It's trying to speak to you about something trying to give you a message as well so once you received that message. It's going to go away on. Its own that message is going to be a real guy to have a relationship with your life. Who's lowering exactly some very cone okay. So I've got a story from as somebody that's emailed me personally wondering if I can revise story. Sorry it's it's a question. Someone wants to account okay so just listening to the most recent podcast loving as usual but did make me think of a question to ask so pretty much. Everyone is on lockdown. And we're in our fifth week. I thought I was dealing with things pretty well. There hasn't been a very big change to my day to day life and the first three weeks where I find in fact. It was even more positive. I was walking every morning. My husband and I were having quality time every day. I was really positive however last week. I just got really low Exhausted so I stopped going for morning walks and kind of realized that although my conscious brain is telling me that everything is fine. It's okay to be a bit easier myself. And acceptable to lose concentration and behaved approach things differently am rationalizing the situation in a measured in Cam. Manner obviously my subconscious brain disagrees because I'm becoming negative and falling into self hatred and criticism struggling to see the good in people again. What can I do to get my conscious and subconscious brain to be more aligned respond at one thing that I think when I see that as there's an assumption at the end of presupposition that problem is caused by this alignment Consciousness might not be anything to do with that. Exactly subordinating yet. I personally think. It's not necessarily a disconnect between the conscious and the subconscious mind but the subconscious mind. It's like you're operating system right so they records everything that happens to you and it makes programs out of it and I think what's happening in the world right now is so out of our experience in out of what we know that. I don't think it's necessarily that. There's something wrong with conscious because the subconscious has never dealt with anything like this before unless you've been put into prison and put into solitary confinement or something like that. I mean I guess some people have had some type of experience with being kind of in lockdown. Not believe their house. I guess maybe you know house arrest or something like that or home detention but I think that pretty much everyone is feeling the same way and I think if I were like. Oh we can do this and it's going to be fine and we're all just going to stay home in this viruses going to go away but I think there is something to that that like third fourth week fifth wake whereas just starts to get like what the fuck. When is this going to end? Why do I even bother? I think it's really disheartening. Seeing what's happening in the world like I've got friends in the states who can't make any money they can't like they don't hear back from unemployment. They haven't received their stimulus check and they're literally a freaking out going. I'm not going to be able to afford food next week with Fox who I do so I think I think for whoever's writing this is just focus on what you're grateful for focus on what's good for you. I mean if you feel like it's an issue with your subconscious mind then maybe look at some belief systems. You could listen to hypnosis. I mean there's tons of different colleges free audio's that you can get but I guess it's getting into the subconscious. Mind that it's all going to be okay having not message at a very deep level and not just a a thaw ungrateful or. I'm happy like repeating over and over and over until ungrateful. I'm okay becomes the defoe what I think renee dead. It's it's more like parts on that you can do. Some parts therapy from some are having to do that because rather than thinking conscious unconscious I think everything comes from the unconscious that consciousness just where you shine the light. Yeah so you've got competing thoughts and whenever those in your head parts. Therapy is amazing for for resolving that so that would be my advice. Ask if you've got a Ask them if they do hearts therapy and if they can find someone who does because it would be so helpful but Parts therapy is amazing that you need to in order to work with parts therapy you need to go to a trained hypnotherapist and my advice is pick someone who is very very good and well trained. Because I've cleaned up a lot of messes people who have read a book on parts and don't really know what they're doing and kick her feet around and someone's head and really kinda messed with them but I yeah. I mean one thing you can do to work. Parts is based on the premise that we all have multiple aspects to our personality right. I mean it's like multiple personalities. It's like a mini version of it. And we it's a natural phenomenon. Every ascherson has between five to seven different parts or ego states they also call them or sub personalities so we normally have a child part and a teenage part and we have like a critical parent that puts down. And you know we have. That teenage part can be really rebellious. There can be a part of you that yeah just believes that everything's GonNa turn to Shit right toward that things aren't going to work out for you because it may have some experience without of things not not being okay so you can just close your eyes take a few deep breaths and just imagine whatever part of you could be being negative or whatever part of you is kind of going into this and just in your head. Imagine having a little conversation with them that be an easy way you can do it yourself yet actually rather than trying to suppress negative voice. Find it what it needs once. Because if a few in opinion there's no such thing as sabotage with Very debatable I think when a part of you is stopping you from feeling good. It's because a different media need is not met so it's obvious that a lot of people are not getting their needs. Met Right now. The need for human interaction need for freedom that need to be able to go shopping. Was it you that told me? It was Iran during the war on Iraq where people would brave the snipers on the roofs to go and get her nails done after month. relation we were talking about that. We're way you're telling me that or was it someone. One of our students told us about it. She said that yes war. Everyone was locked in the beginning but after month once overtook needs and that he will needed to stay home to be safe. They couldn't end. Everybody rebelled and they started leaving just going about their life because they just had to and that was predicted at the beginning of the lock. Dinner remember reading that week three the hardest From their people are GonNa Start rebellion going. And if you're staying home conforming doesn't make it easy like if you're you're just you're normal routine as Carleen. Sizes is so different. I think it's absolutely natural normal to be depressed or to feel negative feelings and I should say go easy on yourself realize that this is finite this will end on when ends. You'll get back on track. Don't worry if thinks that you back a little bit because it's natural that things are going to set you back. Gosh I'm my diet. Took a bit of a backwards. Track the same that I realized. I can't wait for gun to end to get us back on track so I've done it now. We were all. Were all suffering in different ways. Some people more than others and you don't send loved that part. I think people have seen these posts on facebook where people are like. Oh you know. Now's the time that you write your book and You Start Your Business and you get a super hot body and you do the perfect Di Blah Blah. Because now you have all this time and I think if you don't feel like doing that stuff don't do it. Just take it easy. Yeah like relax. It is e. You don't I think we put all this pressure on ourselves that we have to be perfect and do everything that the way that we should do it rather than the way we are doing it or the way we want to do it and then we feel bad about ourselves and then we beat ourselves up and it goes into this terrible cycle so I think that yet now is the time you can absolutely do something new if you want to. But it's also a time where you can just kind of take it easy and relax and and feel sorry for yourself but I think that if you want to because I think collectively there's just a huge amount of pain going on in the world there's pain for the people who are losing. Their businesses are GONNA livelihood. There's pain for the people that are getting sick. The people that have lost loved ones. There's just a lot of pain and I think it's very heavy energy that we all you can't help but pick up on that and if you're a sensitive person it's just it's just one of those things so I think feeling it naming it saying it out loud. We've talked about that before of like when you name how you're feeling and you say it out loud actually the Migdal calms down and you're able to shift it so it's good that they're expressing how they feel and this too shall pass everything everything changes. That's the one thing you can guarantee one thing I gotta say. Treat yourself to station Carlin like arm or me and if you WANNA hypnotherapist in the UK than you know e mail again. And I'll give you a couple of recommendations I know a couple that are just really really expensive someone to do some more research to some more moderate one As well rather than select ones. Yeah Yeah Yeah and just because someone is outrageously expensive doesn't necessarily mean that they're that good. That's my advice. I know some people who charge like ten thousand dollars a session and I would. Not rate their hypnotherapy skills so I mean that sounds really bad. Hopefully these people aren't listening right now. And when people charging exorbitant amount of money a lot of times that's actually a marketing ploy that they have hardly any clients but what they're doing selling products and that's I mean. I sell products. I'm not cheap to see but I'm also not like you don't have to take out a loan to a session with me either whereas some people it's not but I mean there's all kinds of therapists there's coaches it's finding someone. Yeah yeah align with IT IS I. I still think for this. When there's a big argument in the head? Nothing Beats Parker hypnotherapy. That's my thoughts on that but I'm GonNa Grain so and he put recommendations today. Well actually I started reading this book because I have been researching five million diets as I do because Yes for the first like three weeks lockdown. I started making bread every day. I don't know why the Fuck I've done that because I've always told everyone we eat is the devil and haven't eaten it for years and then suddenly I'm eating aunt every day. Even though it was organic stone ground you like unbleached unprocessed wait. It still has had an effect on my ass and so I came. I brought this like workout program in it and why I was attracted to was the woman talks about and I can't even remember what the hell the name of the workout program is came with a diner. We're program what drew me to. It was the fact that she said that we should have carbs and our diet and have fruit and she's even like recommending fruit juice and a lot of fruit and even sugar and milk in your coffee and I was like what fuck and so of course I had to like. Check check it out so I did and I glanced over. Not seemed okay. But she talks about on this program about how her work is very much based on man. Name Doctor Pete. But I kinda went down this wormhole of research and I found this book on kindle or Amazon it's called how to heal your metabolism. It's by Kate deering. Which is obviously kate. But it's spelled D. E. R. I. N. G. and Shucks about is so stop blaming aging for your slowing metabolism. And in it. She talks a lot about the thyroid and wire. Tomlin's the way are they are and I know for myself when I was younger tons of Fru. I ate carbs. I exercised a lot but I'm fucking lease for awhile and it wasn't from doing a low carb diet. I wasn't doing intermittent fasting audio avoid wheat and sugar but I ate a lot of the other stuff and I was able to maintain a quite a low weight quite easily. And I think that once I hit my forties and I thought metabolism slowing down. Then I've been trying every fucking diet under the sun like Kito an Internet fast Dane and whole thirty whole thirties. One that I found worked for me but this book is really interesting. It kind of puts everything on its head and she talks about body temperature and thyroid and how we do need some kind of sugar and carbohydrates in our diet and I know for myself when I do. Kito yes I lose weight but I my brain just about dies and my hormones GonNa Whack. I can't sleep and so I just know from me that keeps doesn't work so I'm just a bit suspicious of someone saying sugar milk in your coffee. I get the For this book. I'm not sure that was the program that I was that I had bought. That led me down to find this book right so I don't I haven't read enough of it to actually know. She's got a great back story though she talks about. She starts out saying that she was in the fitness industry and the like all the diets she said and she would work out for two hours a day and she had a drug addiction. And Yeah I kind of really related to her. Because she's not going. I've always been an amazing shape in. This is the way you should try like. She's she's very real and open with her own journey. She so far has not said that you should eat sugar. But they do talk about one thing that got me what. She's talking about how they're certain foods that are very harmful to the metabolism and it was like soy which. I have soya milk every frigging day. My Coffee Almond Walnuts a lot. Yeah it was basically half. My Diet was like oh well here. Is She saying the importance of carbohydrates especially sugar which crazy? I don't know like who knows. I haven't I haven't tried this diet but I think that I think there's possibly something to it. I don't know so I will say interested to see their science behind it or if it's just all her theory so that's I'd I'd be keen to read that. What was the book again how to heal your metabolism by Kate Daring? I'M GONNA check it out because I'm you know so often we get these diabetics from somebody that has great new theory of Diet and then when I try and look the science behind is bill shit. You know that's that's just the story someone's telling and the same time I I have to agree that I didn't think the CARBS are the enemy. I just just don't not enough themselves. I don't think we should be excluding single foot. Grips specific foods from our diet and car protein fat. I mean we should keep all that crows and but yet you don't have to have like heaps and heaps of refined white flour and refined white sugar but surely fruit. You know we've been living off of it for Millennia has got to be okay for you. Yeah she was saying he. I mean this woman saint sugar importance of carbohydrates especially sugar. I don't know I'm going to again. Use Myself as Guinea pig and try it out and just see what happens because she really yeah. She's really talking about kind of especially for people as they hit that you know late thirties forties fifty six days. How the weight starts piling on? I know for me I could Jane. You just go on a diet for two weeks and you lose your way and now it's like when a diet for a year and I lost a couple of pounds. Great it does get harder. I used to be a twig and I could eat whatever I wanted. But at the same time I didn't drive and so I walked and cycled a law and it was on my feet for my job at audibly skipped meals to so it's entity eight. Sugar Yeah I lived off of sugar. I lift your skinny skinny also eight. Lots of like a typical lunch for me. Going through high school would be five chocolate filled doughnuts. Oh my God. Deep fried chips no serious absolute hundred percent serious but hey fried pizza and chips only the Scottish. I mean do you guys not deep fry everything and if you haven't tried to pizza and you have healthy heart I'd say. Give it a go do they. They batter it or do they just a defiant batter it deep. Fry IT comes. I can. It's Byron in my time. It was called Pizza. Crunch on seventy pence. And you've got your pizza crunchy chips and then put salt sauce and vinegar on top of the pizza on my gosh. What was good and then you had a heart attack and died yeah not that's probably why in the UK like a high death rate Diet absolutely socks over there. You cannot buy vegetables hardly. It's not like the team in California. Where actually couldn't find vegetables in California yet while I was sitting in Anaheim very very sick and all. I just craved vegetables. I was like I need vegetables. And yelm couldn't find anywhere eventually. Ordered some potato soup from this place and it got to my apartment on had like an inch of oil millet cheese on the top. I was like thank God for starbucks. They discovered starbucks does big massive salad. You're not just a big mess of salad with chicken on like that's all eight for the rest of my stay in the USA. Anaheim is a Nice it's a it's a touristy yeah I don't know anyone who actually lives in Anaheim and it is. It's just yeah there's just really fast food but you know it's funny whenever I go back to the states. I'm always like Oh my a lot of the food just isn't as good as obviously yeah fine dining and there are some great restaurants and I think things have really changed in the past few years of really a health bent but at the same time. Here a large coke is the same as a small in the US. Yeah I know right yeah I mean you basically need your passenger seat cupholder when you get an extra large right. Because it's a bucket of soft drink. Are People quite overweight and Scotland? Yeah Yeah I think so. I what I noticed. I don't know if I can say this. I noticed that the men turn into eggs like Humpty dumpty the y'all go bald and get round a big at the waist under members of my hometown again. Everybody's don't take because they don't work out the badly the go bald and overweight. No that's fine be overweight but when when the whole nation is like that. Yeah there's something going on with the Diet and the diets by but what I notices. I went back in two thousand nine for six months and I actually lost weight while eating the bad diet so went back to my old. Because I'm Kenneth on holidays advert commas in like Bacon Buddies pancakes with Bacon and Maple Syrup and and drinking. Lots of beer. And I was like losing weight I think is because it was so fucking cold there that body needed to use it. All that calories to generate heat to keep me warm so yeah that makes sense once. You might want to do what you've got your first. Few years of warmth generate heat as much any into you. Take off the come home to empty. Yeah yeah well I think it's all about. I mean you can be freezing cold in overweight and it just shows yeah and this book they talk a lot about them how to rev up the metabolism. So you don't necessarily lose right wait right away but she saying you know what six months of changing your habits and not losing weight and have a lifetime of actually being the way that you want compared to doing a quick fix now and just gaining all back within six months so yeah which is a good point and we're doing something wrong because everyone everyone is getting fatter so something in the world is happening Yep and we yeah. It's normally what you put in your mouth. Yep unless there's a peanuts that they're not sitting well depends on what you put on it. I guess I don't know anyways okay. We won't go down that road. So Do you have any recommendations Daryl I do? I've been a fan of war of the world since I was a kid. I I'm Jeff Wayne Musical section of it. I don't know if you've heard of anyway. So when this book came I I was completely excited and had up just before and it like completely just disappeared. But it's called the massacre of mankind and it is happening now by Steven. Stir Understand is the world's was under some kind of end copyright or whatever but the second that ended this book was ready to be published as long as a sequel so it's like an unofficial sequel to the to the war of the worlds and in this book the initial attack by the Martians. That I was a bi was actually just like a testing just to check their side. See What the defense was like. And then twenty years later the whole Martian army was coming over the world and this time it doesn't just hit one place so it's all over the world all at winds and let's just say involves more than one kind of Alien. I listened to Cambodia BEC- and Lady. That was just amazing so massive kind of your fan of alien invasion than give it a go. It's really different from every other you know. Big Spaceship Hovers above New York movie. That are busy right before. It's quite different. So that's okay. I'll have to check it out. Because didn't they just show that there's videos of you folks like hasn't NASA just come out and say? Oh yeah by the way you oppose a real and has been or did I dream that they did. I mean you doesn't mean alien right it means unidentified flying object. I now so yes. There are some objects from the the navy or the Air Force the Pentagon the Pentagon yet or at least. I'm a bit suspicious about the timing of this release. I don't I don't know there's meaning that they've releasing evidence of of UFO's while we're in this global lockdown it just feels very conveniently timed. I don't know if there's anything good or bad about it but yeah well that's I mean that's what the government does right like several governments that when there's something really huge going on in the news they will drop other things so that it's Kinda like everyone's focused on this and they're like Oh here by the way aliens are real and you know we have video but don't about that because there's a massive pandemic and we all got. Oh aliens a anyways and you don't really notice I mean for that to not be like Holy Shit okay or have you ever seen a UFO during my whole family so one we were. Yeah in Scotland driving to the airport. So I know you're going to think maybe it was a plane but what was a liked that moved so strangely that we don't know what it was and it was this bright light in the sky colored and zigzagged like really fast like really high Dine optimus guy on wor racked her brains for years like that's not the movement of a plane. It's not the movement of Tire not the movement of a bird. Pretty sure like that. But we don't know what it wasn't it was before lays everybody had laser pointers mrs back in the eighties. It was and there's an area close by that has a lot of sightings of UFO's because they have a lot here too. I saw a UFO. When I was probably I duNno nineteen. I was with friend and we had driven up on this hill. And this is when I lived in. Marin County in California Northern California the other side of the Golden Gate Bridge so driven up on this hill to smoke join and look out on the water. Yeah so it gave this really amazing beautiful like three sixty view of the city and the bay in front of us and all the lights and they were great spot to go and smoke dry. And so we're sitting there. Were smoking this joint and we see this thing like fly through the sky. Where like fuck is that? And it was like hen the lights kind of like a helicopter. Something it was like Orange and green these lights came and then it wins straight down and it went into the water and went under the water and then came up and where I fucking drove away so quick. It wasn't even funny because we panicked that bad and we're going to a party. That was just literally right down the road and so we go there. And we're like freaking out going we saw and everyone's like whatever you smell like weed you're probably high and we're like no. We definitely did it because it was like what. Flies flies down fines underwater in the flies. Back up you know. It was just and the lights were going under the water. Either that or someone had some weird Astra but this was like twenty five years ago right so I didn't have drones now so it was crazy but the next day front page the paper they said. Oh meteorite causes thousands of ufo citing calls last night and they said Oh it's just a meteorite that fell into the San Francisco Bay. All these people delusional thought it was a UFO. And I'm like bull so they got thousands of calls of all the people seeing the same thing they're like now is just a meteor falling into the ocean but it was not a meteoric. It flew across the sky down underwater. And then came back out a meteorologist fall and crash right so I don't know but anyways yeah it was weird I started convenient. Oh there was an asteroid. They're going to cover that up of the don't want you to know and the garnered same meteorite because well in those days who had can you know you'd have to like pull out this big clunky video camera to be able to spot that in time. They didn't have like today. Anyone can be taking photos in seconds so they didn't have that so if no one saw I. Yeah I don't know weird. I think it's kind of good. Neither everybody's GonNa Camera on their phone so there is like a real visitation. We're going to be able to get in a more than passing. Get videos of it and I was thinking about the economy in Japan much footage. There is of it because everybody has a phone camera. Yeah exactly nobody goes to see high traumatic bad. These natural disasters can be until modern day and I think it's the same any like ghost sightings are ufo sightings. We're going to get multiple views of that when it happens. I mean they have a lot here. I've had several clients that you regress them and they you know had ufo experiences Some really actually talk about one on another one of the other podcast in that. Just Holy Shit usually manic. Let's do that. Let's next podcast. Let's talk about your phone where we're going to have to go shortly. Cause approach can a long time. Yeah we've been talking a while. Yeah we'll talk about that next time and if you have any UFO stories or any weird stories or anything you need advice about feel free to write us if you like this podcast share with your friends and that way we can help more people if possible or annoy them or if you get your hands on the food to Dick just get in touch. Jesus Christ yeah that. That doesn't sound appealing to me. Evita deck of my own that I have to like yeah swap back into its box. His name is grant. I'm just kidding lobby. Yes that's asked for today and now it's great to talk to you as Usual Daryl and we get together. Same great chatting. Thanks for writing in with advice. And we'll talk to you soon definitely.

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Episode 1103 - Thora Birch

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Episode 1103 - Thora Birch

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God Damn it wrestling with it. It sounds great but it's hard to play man and I gotta get gotTa get it. I got to get the hang of it. I love it. I'm not saying to love it. Sometimes you wrestle with who you love in what you love and with who you are. I I would say most of the time for me anyway. I don't know what were your about. Thawra Birch is on the show today. You all know Thor Birch. We all know her. We love her. Come on man. She's at currently on the walking dead. Which aired Sunday nights on? Amc You remember her from American beauty. Of course ghost world other things that was some wrestling little bit a wrestling. I mean I can tell you more about it before we talked to her specifically but I was happy to see her happy. She came over. So here's what's happening. The cold I the last time I talked to you. I was sweating and the last time I talked to you is before the Joe Biden surge. That guy's adult man adult. What a tragic series of events were having fucking pathetic the whole God damn thing Bernie clear as a bell. It's like a fucking joke. Look Man I don't know what I'm going to be able to do. I really don't I do know that my special it's coming out Tuesday. I'll talk to you on Monday about it. But people in the press got it yesterday. I'm I'm pretty fucking proud of it. I'm glad you guys are going to see it. I've shown some friends. The thing gotten good feedback. I don't have many. I showed one friend and my producer having from Brendon yet. But Judd said he liked it. That's nice things to say about it. He wanted to see it early. He's earned that opportunity but I'm excited you're going to see it. I'm excited about it. Looks different than most specials shot by the in imitable Lynn. Shelton who also wants me to inform you. Apparently to her ears. When I talked about my cold I was writing it out alone but I was being cared for. She made me soup. She felt my head. 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I explained again. That was a bad day and I was on steroids. For my back and I was angry but it was fine and I'm glad because I enjoy him and I I enjoy his work and his wife's no. I'm not I'm still not going to say who was you can guess but anyways so that worked out. Maybe I'll read more of your emails Another time okay. All right good moving on so. I went to a secret secret clubhouse meeting last night for the first time in months with my buddy jerry and got to talking. I'm a little consumed man. I'm consumed you know there's a funny thing. My brain does as we had into True authoritarianism with the widow. Hope on the horizon but some excitement. Maybe maybe maybe I'm not. I'm not seeing. I'm not saying it's over. Hey you know if we can possibly exchange one mentally addled fucking devil for a mentally adult okay guy. I guess that's America but maybe something surprising will happen. Maybe the momentum's move will shift in something fucking spectacular will happen but point being you know fester about bullshit and I'm doing okay for myself and I'm happy with the work. I'm doing my specials airing. I'm about to start shooting glow. I'm challenging myself on a lot of levels. I'm trying to wear different glasses. Occasionally the aretha Franklin movie was Exciting I I'm just saying things are going well but I still especially with my comedy because I put so much of my heart and mind into the goddamn stuff through life or death for me. Man. It's still is. That's the tone of the thing a year and a half two years. I worked on that stuff. That's in the special in my fears. It'll just disappear. Into the churning cloud into the hungry ether and dissipate into a million pieces that reorganize themselves as one occasionally for somebody sitting somewhere. But that's fine but I'll judge myself against the more successful sorts. Hey Man everybody likes them. Not Everybody likes. I've never been the everybody likes you. Kinda guy but sometimes I still find room in my heart and my mind to resent inspite more successful people that I like. So I've got a wrangle that shit man and then I realized the other day like most of these cats and kitties as great Lord Buckley would say most of these cats and kitties twenty twenty years younger than me thirty five thirty six babies thirty seven maybe thirty eight. Perhaps these cats kitties. I'm fifty six. They somehow manage their talent on the natural arc of life trajectory. I in the fucking hail. Mary pass trajectory. I'm I am the made it in the second half guy. The final quarter. I hope not but I can't judge myself on sort of well-managed people who had enough of their shit together to be career focused and they come up in a generation where they realized their brand they realize they are one they realize how to maneuver the content platforms and to sort of and Put their talent out there in beautiful ways at our into just sort of Fucking throwing ropes out of a hole said predominant four via expression is if I can just get this rope to hook onto something up outside the whole. Maybe somebody'll see the fucking rope but imagine the whole the whole for awhile climbed up the whole but I'm constantly repelling. The that is a double entendre but these younger cats kidneys. They know what's going on because they got their shit together yell at a younger age and I did so. I just have to be grateful and appreciative of the people that that I have that. Dig Me and understand me and not turn into like. I JUST WANNA fuck up my happiness folks. That's all I just WANNA fuck it up have just barely figured out how to handle it. And there's part of me that just immediately like it ain't it ain't enough dude. It ain't enough but listen to this subject line. Fuck man you saved my life. Hey mark a few years ago I sent you an email entitled twenty-seven-year-old Pill Guy Two months clean. You probably get a ton of these so I don't expect you to remember but for me that single email and response helped push me onto a path to turn my shit around. I asked you how you got sober. I had no money for Rehab and I wanted to see if you thought we had was a key thing for your recovery. I was lying when I told you I was two months clean and my email in fact I was deep in the addiction. You emailed me back with some hard truths the fact you didn't bullshit me with. The fluffy response really reinforced. The fact that it's all on me to save myself. I realized the things that were going to help me. We're ready for me to utilize you told me. If I really want to kick drugs I needed to quote to start doing the things you know you need to do unquote you told me to bite the bullet and detox all the shit. That's been killing me and then you advise me to go to some meetings and listen. I printed that response out kept pointing my car at taped onto my bathroom mirror. I've been clean since two fourteen. Twenty nine thousand nine. I went to meetings. I found a great sponsor and I found the will to live as dramatic as that sounds. It's true I was real suicidal. Their bit you help save my life. I just want you to know how special you are when you take the time to email. You're addicted fans a few words of encouragement. I am truly truly thankful you reach back out to me. I don't want to put the burden on your shoulder to save everybody who emails but fuck man. I Oh my new life to you and your amazing fucking email. They were words from beyond the abyss that it's possible to do this. Thank you so fucking much bark. Then you know it's like who cares you know it's like I fucking get out of my dumbhead. Ha You know. That's the beauty of the thing man. That's the beauty of the thing. I don't WanNa be anybody else. I never did never wanted to. There have been times where I wanted everyone to understand me more and are I couldn't understand why everybody didn't just what I was doing that. I don't really care. That's that so as the winter winds down. It's time to get going on that big idea. You haven't started turning your dream into a reality with squarespace. If you've been meaning to get your passion project off the ground squarespace here to take some of the stress out of your decision. You can easily make a beautiful website for whatever project. You're looking to start a new business platform for your art. Work a place where you can sell the stuff you make. Squarespace makes it easy with beautiful. Templates created by world-class designers. 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I did for Birch and I wonder what life was like. I knew that she had a difficult passed in the way that I knew. Both our folks were involved with adult films. Back in the seventies. I've actually sad we GR- maybe not sadly I remember her mom from deep throat very specifically but you know so but that's that's her life is not my life so but I thought there was an interesting story there and if she was ready to come on the show. She was ready to tell it when she got here. It was tense. I just felt tense and I did what I always do. And I kind of really stayed open through the whole thing but we did it and we we did okay and and there were points where I just. I just didn't I didn't think she was emotionally comfortable to deal with some of this stuff but But this is my conversation with her and I was happy that she's doing ok and happy to see her. She's currently on the walking dead Which airs Sunday nights on? Amc So this is me talking to thorough birch. Destroy the coffee I did. It's nice it doesn't have any of that like bitterness. It's the perfect the perfect I forget. I never know what's going to happen when I asked you what they want coffee. And then if they say yes and I'm sort of like I was going to be a bit of a production like I have to boil water and I have to step. Yeah and then it comes out pretty good. I understand that it that it is a little bit of a crap shoot to the because every morning the coffee and he never makes it consistently it always comes back like not sweet enough or or sweet or like coconut creamer or too much coconut cream. He can never get formula down almost at the point where I'm like hunting. I'll just go get it. But that's why would I do that too easy easy in the morning and he makes it though. Yeah that's moving into a coffee news routine coffee news routine coffee news. Or where do you get the news on your phone? You just gotTa go walk into the phone waiting before. I asked that what what method are using to make the coffee. We have a coffee maker. So Standard Drip Drip. Yeah good old school. Alko forgot the name filter in back. You put thrive if thing absolutely yeah scoop in the old timey. I fancy where you're getting your news I all over. I mean mainly we'll put CNN on probably just on the TV but then we read like the news news on our phones to sit there and panic. Yeah it's pretty much. It's it's it's like it's a really. Yeah there's I dunno you Kinda. Wake up with a certain amount of optimism and then ten minutes later you're like Oh right. Never Mind virus right when there's even a smidgen of hope you don't feel like you can believe anything anymore like really burning cash because that was the only method of stopping an airborne disease. Come on I. I'd they were burning cash in China. Yeah I like. I don't think that has anything to do with the virus. What does that even mean there? Birth you read that this morning not this. I think it was four days ago. Wow that's a huge story. Why don't we get more into that? Like some sort of a mystical approach to the. I don't know their excuse. Was WELL PEOPLE TOUCH MONEY? Oh that we red KNOBS DOORKNOBS SHIRT. And how is it traveling but cary emerged? That must be do that through money all the time about dirty money dirty money really think about money. How like how many times? It's changed hands like any bill. You have the own who carries bills anymore. I do. I always carry money share but then again is my kind of subscribe. I like cash but I subscribe to the George Carlin view of things like you need a certain amount of germs to keep true true. You can't work your healthiest cleanliest. Person IS GONNA wind up with a terrible disease. I agree you got to move through germs. And if you're on a plane you're getting your share germs. Yeah no I don't. I don't like the recycled air opinions. I do you ever feel like you know when you get covered in a nose bleed. Last time I landed I was like Oh hydrating during the flight and everything. It just didn't work so the necklaces that powerful no fan gave it to me. I liked it. It was on my night. Table sets a FAN president. It was either the necklace or earrings. I'm I'm down to a single earing on all of my parents always just lose one earing. Yeah so we like. I know you grew up here right. Yes the whole life. My I was born at Cedars Sinai. Really Yeah so you're like full California Los Angeles Hollywood girl. All the way born and raised stayed there for like Intel. My early thirties when I moved into Santa Monica. So but it's it's kind of interesting because your career the whole thing like we all know you from certain couple of things and then you sort of wonder like Oh wait. Where's where's she been? What's happening but also like I I find. I know that your history is sort of dug into the Hollywood of the seventies and you grew up in that but specifically kind of Porno Seventies. Well I was born in eighty two so by the time I came around. They were just leaving that but all of their you know their per. My parents is prior experiences wrapped up in in that kind of world. I mean they were on the road a lot. They did a few films and rear was built for more than what it was. Cinematic medically not. I mean it's just out there so I'm just asking because I talking about it because I remember they were in movies. I saw when I was very young. And they damaged me and I they they kind of reconfigured my brain God but that's all right but so by the time you. I'm sure they don't apologize. No no I'm not. I'm not mad about it. I think it helped me on some level but I I someone was one of those things where I'm like thirteen or fourteen and someone had their parents gio cassette but but like grow. When did you first start to realize that they were in? You know because your mom was in deep throat right and so is your dad. Believe briefly I've never seen them but they had a couple of minutes here and there but you know why would you WanNa do that. Yeah it's more like I. I wanted to be open minded enough to like. Oh I could handle this a couple of minutes in Arizona. It's not funny. Goes like okay? That's it that's my mom. I don't need to know I didn't get to her to her. I was like Yeah Harry Reams. Yeah it's got a rough opening. Do you mind if I smoke. While you're eating I think is the first one but I guess the question is like growing up in Showbiz and having that element of show business in it. I mean what what are you? I remember about your parents in terms of that. I was older when it finally really hit me that like oh no they had actually been at because for me. It was the the family story was though she had danced Did your mom. Yeah shut danced and she was on the road and also she actually did after all that. She became a bodybuilder and she won like a number of just like but it before the Roy did out there just like natural female body and you know she like do dead lifts and squats and things like that and she got really. They were very very in that. Healthcare Keno. They did the raw food diet around still. Are they still married? Really? Yeah wow so so when you when you're old enough to realize that the story was she was a dancer so they got out of it. They probably did some touring of some kinds. I guess before. They did a lot of touring they had a show. She had a routine right show and she would take it around to all the clubs extra other ones too. I know she did a lot up in San Francisco with the Mitchell brothers at their showroom. They were they were all closed for a while All of that was before me. And so on. Grow up honestly. I think it was not until I was probably like interested in my like pre teens and early early teens there. I'm glen from other people like it was more than what not just. Yeah and so it was like but you know there were only a certain stories that I had heard nothing. They really tried to you. Know once shields she was done she actually kind of went more the other way with me very like kind of a strict. I almost you know Very nearly conservative type of bringing. Yeah no really a little bit in. The religious sense brought more discipline. Sort of right and wrong screwed up. Oh absolutely and like you're not gonNA have sex until you're eighty two and that kind of stuff. The brothers sisters. I have a younger brother. How's he doing? He's good he's good he's he's he's he's he's finding his way you know he's he's a great kid he's got a he's got a great heart and he's really funny and he's twenty eight and see and show business he's he's dabbled but more like behind the camera. Yeah Yeah so you started acting so young so I mean obviously somebody had invested in this idea or was that you were. You were right. My babysitter actually. Had you know? My parents had no television policy other than sesame street and Mister Rogers but when the babysitter was over that kind of went out the window. The first thing that happened was the television got turned on and so you I would watch TV. And I would start mimicking commercials like the old telly Savalas. Who LOVES YOU BABY Yeah Kojak right right. Yeah I just kinda remember. I think I was imitating the commercial. Sure and so she thought that was just the most adorable thing in the world and she decided to make our past time that you should take out on like auditions for commercials a babysitter. Yeah well she can kind of talked. She was close. Friends was a babysitter but also close friends with my parents of the. Yeah Yeah Yeah and so what do you think about that? And they're like well I you know we don't know anything about it really is for like a child actor right. We don't know thou- world. Yeah yeah different type of show business. So they're like well. I don't know you know. It seems like a harmless and it'll keep her away from the TV great. So but I started booking commercials right away. Wow so and then that just kind of after that. Then it was the first. Tv show that I did for NBC called Day by Day David Goldberg Mini Regular. Yeah it was though the concept. Was that this lawyer. Yuppie couple decided to abandon their professional careers and open a daycare and their own home. So I was one of their their students. Sassy Blonde and did you. Did you love it. I did I always. I remember my first commercial which was about four and a half. Maybe just about to turn and my task was to sit in front of a open Frigerator with the contents spilled out all around me. I had to eat a raw hotdog dipped in peanut butter which I thought was the most fantastic thing and I was like this is. This is a work like okay. If this is a job this is amazing of raw dipped in maybe the tasted and you know the just the process the attention. It's always really kind of identified more with adults and kids my own age too but I was. I I WANNA. I cared with adults had to wanted to have a conversation with them and so just yeah I mean I. I loved it on a very kid like childlike level as a kid would make it and and your parents so they they were on board with it. Obviously they came on board. You know because I started booking and then it was always like well you know when it came time for school. It was very important to them that I was in public school that I had that experience and and I kinda was like. Okay yes great love it you know what am I gonNA get back to the set and so for a long time that was kind of bounce back and forth between a normal childhood and then go have some fun on a set were they doing any other types of show business out when not no and then eventually they got involved in your career? Yeah as you know Mama Data gers whatever. Yeah managing you Yeah for four for a period of time Matt. Great Time it was you know. Honestly it's the the the they've been retired for a long time. Yeah and do you have a relationship with them I do? Yeah it's it's okay excellent. Yeah so how does it like? How DOES IT UNFOLD? Why to to like You did a lot of episodic work I or what And then you know more commercials on that show. Parenthood the first iteration right. Yeah and You know Several of your guests came from that who we also saw. Leo is on. I believe David Arquette. Yeah somebody's kid. One of the families kids. Do you remember all those guys remember. Bits and pieces. I remember kind like offset playing on the lot and like you know I. I can't remember Leo running around with a water gun and stuff like that just like little. Bits and PIANISSIMO. Fun Yeah Yeah and when did you start doing the movies nine? Well I did one small independent film when I was six but I consider my first real films to be Paradise. Don Johnson and Melanie Griffith directed by Mary. Agnes Donoghue. Who's a really good writer as well. That was the I played billy. Pike and that that that role got me a lot of attention from from film people so it was. It was back in the era when the transition was not so likely or plausible. That one that one in the TV world would they go. Sure sure. But I think because I was so young and the type of character was a very kind of funny dramatic performance and so I got a lot of attention from that and then that kind of land helped me land like Patriot. Games and certain other roles. Yeah Yeah it. It took off from there. Did you feel like you were making your own choices? Or where are your parents like running you know because there were certain scripts and projects that I at the time there was maybe a mini effort to see if I would be interested in doing them and ultimately put my foot down like no. I don't like that I don't feel comfortable doing that kind of role right and maybe I shouldn't even say like interview with the Vampire was like Yeah I was a kid kid in that type of performance was not something that I I was comfortable with so I like that kind of but then other times like they're like maybe I was like Oh happy to do for. He's an or another but at the same time like I probably wasn't even aware of all of the scripts that were being sent to me Intel around eleven twelve. Sure yeah so like okay. So then the the American beauty thing. Huge is a huge huge thing. All around like you changed. Everything changed the way people shot television. I think In commercials with music. That's a really influenced from right from Newman's score but yeah I mean that just I mean that that project Took up so much of my life for a two year period. So you've done like like several movies and you so you knew what you were doing your complicated you take. Did you study acting at all every day? I was onset those away. What was that was? Yeah I didn't Under or scribe to sure style. Sure or anything like you picked up. Yeah I mean I understand that. I think a lot of people do that. It's weird because I've talked to actors about it and he all the ones who learned that way they are. There's always a moment. It's sort of like no. I did not just pretend. Watch other people do it and I listen I talk but how did that? How did that one happened? You know it was a very long auditioning Sam Mendes. Yeah I was actually one of the first people to go in and have a meeting with him. Lester hadn't even been cast yet. And he will Kevin for Ya and he was just in his. You Know Sam was just in the zone where he was like. I'll get you know here. Spielberg's my guy. I get to see everybody. So we'll see everybody But but for me it was such a personal thing because I so strongly identified with Jane and There was talk of maybe like well. Why don't you go in Freeing Angela? Because it's like a flashy star making right. Yeah you really don't like Angela and I really identify a little bit more jade and I just feel like I could android municipal doing. She's she's around. She just had a show. I don't know if it's still on. She ran for a couple of years. I think so then I go in and I have a meeting as awesome You know come and the producers and casting and then come back for reading just with Sam not taped and another meeting and then like five months later. I was doing this TV movie. up in Oregon Called might ride home. We need to fly you down here for the screen test. The pairings this and that we wanted to get the combination of the three right three parts of it that way and so So yeah went in. Did the test in another month and a half later you know. I got a call saying yeah. It was crazy that much went into put together. They knew do they know well. Everybody there was there was a cult. Like obsession within the industry for the script itself. I haven't seen a you know apart for maybe something. On the top of the blockbusters I still haven't seen a reaction to a script. Quite like there was for that one. Everybody in their mother wanted to go in for it to be a part of it. It was just so beautifully written by Alan Ball and it was something that was so unique for the the time I or at least that's how I style I mean it. It had so many pieces of other types of film. It had like a slight norrish. Things was mainly getting it also like so character base. It was existential and full of symbolism. And all that kind of stuff and I was like wow you know I I'm here. This is the type like this. Can this movies can be like this exciting? You know. It doesn't have to be Disney or action pictures. This is a real piece of art. Also the marketing for it was was phenomenal. You Know Terry precedent. Great job that we had a great trailer. Great just the way like so. I think yes it was. It was crafted to response from an audience on so it was very much by design. Could I say that we all knew how big it was going to be at the time? We always like to say to each other like oh. This could be something like this. Could be really cool and I remember thinking to myself like Oh come on. You know. You're going to win a thousand Oscars. Nobody could sit around saying that. That was kind of the feeling like yeah. This could be big and you at that point you were that you were savvy enough to know. All this stuff was going on I. I was savvy in some areas but completely innocent in late bloomer. I always thought that when I was sixteen and like Mendez was like a was interesting to work with absolutely. It was like a college professor. So you'll learn things sure you can pick as as much as you could try to try to pick his brain a little bit you know. Try to scratch the surface. He's kind of a quiet called a did. He was the onset directing or was he far away in a little video village now on and he was both. He was both the con- The beauty about the way Conrad Hall. Lit was that he would light the whole world here and so so it wasn't like you could be right up close. We created a whole space in which the actors mainly of freedom or a lot of movement. And so because Physically because of that physically be like right up. You know like in the water with you but but he was. You know second it was cut. He come running in and then other times he was more wouldn't necessarily watch the monitor so depending on his mood of the situation. I suppose I don't know I asked you. I can't remember what who was talking but maybe it was Carol Kane. I talked to her recently. That there was a time where he had the director was there was no video village. They were there. They were sitting there by the camera. Yeah doing the business. There's an intimacy to that. I think it's nice to have a bit of both a little bit of a balanced but but I I if I were to. Let's say You know take on that role. I I imagine that I would have the little monitor in my hand but also be right there. Yeah have you done any directing minimal? But that's the that's the goal some shorts online short little clips. In how they you know. I mean no budget like you know I mean I like I had one editor then no music. No nothing I mean about stuff just like you know dipping my toe invasion and they've done a commercial reason. I I had done a campaign for these breath flash strips early two thousands and part of the deal was that I do these three commercials and one of them. I direct so so one of them I did. I came up with the concept and and kind of like. Oh Yeah. It's a goal is a goal. I've done some producing I've done but I think that I've always wanted to ever since I was nine I wanted to. You know who's in charge because I want to be that guy so It's always been. It's always been the goal but I at the same time I. It's not as burning as it as it once was but I think that that actually might propel me to achieve it even more because you're not so compulsory a this can happen. That would be great if you can work toward the so like after American beauty things. Get pretty crazy for you. Oh Yeah for sure Crazy in the sense that you know there is a it was a whole new level like I felt before that I had been maybe industry known as a as a as a kid actor bordering on child Starwood and then after that it was more like no. You're you've just stepped into a different club right and you know. You're you're touring Europe with the film in promoting it and festivals. We DID TORONTO We didn't really need fast. We went around and yet to promote it premieres in London Spain Italy France Germany Kevin and the three of us do a lot of it And then went on a tour In the states to the and universities to work with as an actor. He's wonderful to work with and I only really interacted with them on set and not premieres and events so we didn't like I'm in the rehearsal period a little time to bond and get to know each other But there were always Kevin's really intelligent person and a private person Look I was a sixteen year old girl. There's just not an interest there for me. I mean I'm not looking for so I think the nature of our onscreen relationship to was more it kind of linked itself to a natural thing onset where we were like. We're close but there was like a slight right but I think it was bleeding over from the nature of the character. Yeah we were talking about earlier in the kitchen where you know if you have younger parents that the bond is sort of weird right like I guess it's. His trip was sort of a midwife trip. But it was still him trying to to get something back right of his youth understanding proper grownup boundaries. Or or you know or I think he just like he only like. I think you know a lot of parents get kinda. They their kids reach a certain age and the parents just can't help but understand him in a new way. It's more like well. What happened to that? Wonderful eight year old that you know and and it it can. It can stay weird. He's going in this like well. What happened in my life He's taking it a little bit on a selfish. Jane's point of view. It's a very outlook that he's taken. Did you find your folks? Would they were the young when they had you know they weren't no oh well so so you didn't grow up with younger parent now known they were. They were parents but they were. They were friends too because they didn't talk to me like Google Right. Yeah yeah read. This book is what you think about it. Being engaged be you know you know. Educate your is your sense of them that That would ever went on in the seventies was some sort of like they were contracting after that. Like that. After that whatever they'd gone through in the sixties seventies or like all right. We did that. Let's bring the Kid Upright. I believe Yeah I. That's I mean. That's mainly yeah. Yeah I mean I definitely. I think that was the there was. They had been through so much and so much that there was a of horror that I buy the idea that I might have to go through some earth. That wasn't what they had done. Was Not for me yeah. I think that that happens to a lot of that generation given that you're not all them do what your parents did but that that sort of like following that that sixties trip of like just kind of do it man yeah do whatever and all that was not the I mean. Maybe if they had been younger when I when I came along I come earlier period. Like porn like seventy eight hundred seventy seven or something. It might have been different in some way. I got the more normal. They come to their senses after the insanity away a little bit are so radical outlook on things but I mean but in in a in a in a thoughtful way they can be reined in like what radical. Well I think you know like. I said they were incredible. Health nuts for for supplemental be pollens. Spirulina that you know but then you know ten years later. They're like we're doing for Chinese. So they kinda go over. So during the American beauty period are they is your dad managing you. Ese was still yeah. But I had I had a big agency. Yeah Teens I. I've been with a lot of different agents time. And Yeah but he yeah he was but he was never onset. Was You know he? He was working out at home. Yeah yeah real estate. He Dabbled hustles. I don't know I I was busy. I so what happens right after American beauty. Well you know it was Kinda like sit back and reach on the roller coaster ride honestly. There wasn't as many scripts as I had expected to be. Flooding. Sorry flooding through I and I I still to this day. Don't know that if that was because there simply weren't that many roles to follow a performance like up with At that time. And that's why when I shortly after The film came out that shortly after the film came out maybe four five months after the film came out I got I got the script for ghost world and it was. It was sent to me with the graphic novel as well so I read the script I then I read the graphic novel I was completely blown away. And I'm like this is my part this in part by part and nobody. Nobody wanted me to play that part. The director didn't play it right or they wanted somebody else. And they thought they thought of me as a as a Rebecca uh-huh and and for me that particular character did nothing for me and a Enid. Was Somebody that I felt that I could kind of. Maybe in some way hide behind and at least be able to portray her personality without having her personality your own life or unfortunately through playing her. She stuck with me for a while. Yes outlook became my outlook for a potentially a little too long really yeah disenchanted kind of Lawson can in confused in a way And I you know I I think part of that is so you know internal but at the same time I think. It's a reaction to Just like you know the being a young woman in that era. If you're pursuing a high profile career there only seems to be a couple of formulas sure to to to adapt to in order to reach that level and what it took those formulas. Were not so attractive to me and got cynical. I got yeah a little a little because you did if also I felt like maybe it was unfair that so many of my opinions had to be corrected or adjusted power. Something and so. That was stubborn. Time right but you. So the the implication was you didn't know better and that other people knew better. I think it's more like a countdown. Okay just do this and everything will be fine so that was the way. They framed it. It's like everyone's just like Oh don't just more of a pooh-pooh right. If there were still those formulas they that they were trying to those. Were the those were the ones and any any tr- trying to forge a new formula was something that needed to be corrected. Not Embrace right. What were the old formulas in your mind? I just you know Tall Skinny Alba type of thing. This is anything wrong with that and I'm not I'm not critiquing it. I'm like we okay but maybe I'm not going to grow a foot taller and stay the same way. So what can I do? It looks like you did a a couple of movies. In between American beauty and ghosts world that were it. Seemed like kind of trying. Different things out right actually right. After American beauty goes where was my next film and then after that if it took a while to come out. Oh is that how it works? It took a while to come out after ghosts world I was more experimental and I was trying things and I was. I was more like oh I don't care about the budget. Or WHO's like all the things where they only want to work with? Certain people and Blah Blah Blah show. I didn't care about any of that. I was like I was just going by the material. Yes so the sensibility of ghosts world. I mean because that is a pretty you know that I mean it was in experimental movie really. I think you know I read. I've read clouds for a long time. You know and I've interviewed that guys. Why is like? He's kind of a pain in the ass but he's all right. He cracks me up. Yeah he's not. Get through a conversation without having a stomach ache for the next day laughing to. He's an odd interesting self deprecating. Ever met but there's something about the nature of cows in an about You know those characters that really they. They changed your point of view for sure. I think they highlighted point of view that I may be already had but but but they put a spotlight on it. Allowed me to fully expand on it right right in in in. In retrospect you think that was destructive. No I had a blast making that film. I mean maybe just being you know. Afterwards maybe being turned into like You know having the personality not so dissimilar to Terry's themselves was maybe not ideal for an eighteen year old girl and I might have lost them friendships and stop guys from approaching me but maybe not as a good thing half and did you. Were you in Garwood. Friends ever very tight very tight. Yeah yeah well I mean. We're we're working like this she. I was just graduating high school. She's she was still in school so our time together wasn't much as maybe could have been the same age. I think she was fifteen. No Kidding fifteen. Sixteen but she. I know she had been something manny and Lo and Yeah but it was her first. I think you know. A Big Chunky bordering on adult role. Well it's so weird. There's people that I must. I mean I know it from my own life because when I look at the cast of some of the movies you've been in some people like you know had hard lives and some people aren't with US anymore. It's heavy man. I didn't realize that Renfro was in. I'm trying to remember who he wasn't. He was Josh. He had He he was like Kind of a side crush of needs. Oh yea character was not that you know. It wasn't featured that much but it was essential to the story in West. Who is like had trouble right? Yeah well I mean when I worked with West that hadn't I mean maybe there might have been beginnings of a guy that hadn't yet hadn't became what it what it did but when I was working with Renfro it was already in a shocking PLA- I found where he was at just in his life to be kind of shocking. It was the first time that it was it. Was that bad it was I had seen it. That bad right. I mean I had heard things about other people or right you know I also when I was a kid I could always tell the difference between the kids who wanted to be there and the kids didn't via that was always like ooh. That's you know but for him it was more like it was kind of a cautionary. I was like. Wow and also I was shocked that anybody had letting it had let it gotten to that point where I mean his his handler. That I don't know the state or insurance or something. Yeah had had him with was His was his provider. Yeah Yeah it's so weird. How those people find people they did. That is a shadow business. People that have those kind of problems. There's just these people that service them. He's incredibly vulnerable to just because he had no support network and dad come from very stress all really in place. Did you guys remain friends after that until he? You know honestly not not that much. Yeah we we. We didn't his situation scared me. I really thought it was a really sweet kid but there was something about his energy that I didn't WanNa do you. Were able to avoid that a little bit the back. Well yeah I mean I didn't. I never went off the deep end with anything I that's not. There was always certain journeys in life that I knew I just really didn't WanNa take and And so I mean I haven't been perfect angel but I None of the hard stuff right ever lose control right which is nice. Yeah good for you so after so now after ghost world I mean it seems like you work all a lot and like are you happy I you know I am because I had taken. You know like you said you know what is right. And that's that's fair but you know a lot of the stuff that I did didn't reach the right happens. All the time is of other of other things for different reasons but at a certain point in my life it'd be it became for me. I felt like the best thing that I could do. Just to keep growing evolving as as a as a person And you know try to hold this sanity was to get my education. You know After graduating high school my career was in such a place. That college wasn't even right. Yeah and but you know I really wanted to to educate myself so I I got my pre law degree and it's a four year program and I. I did it about three. Where a Kaplan which is a? It's like the Phoenix. It's the it's the better Phoenix Online. Its online gets a little bit of a bad rap. But I've spoken to teachers who have said it's It's actually harder than than away from the culture also older so heck no no the the the college party. Oh you know I I. I didn't feel like when you're that age you go to college for something other than North class people who really want it they really want like. WanNa work for for that and it was. I really enjoyed it. It was it was rigorous but I I very much enjoyed it and what it just brought me back to realizing that I- i- whereas whereas maybe I was open minded to a major life shift and Taking on a new career direction via that that that I actually didn't ultimately want that and I still wanted to be part of the storytelling process. I believe that I don't call me. Call me whatever but I believe that film and TV is consumed by largely formative mites. Yeah and and so. I think that there's a power in that course and and and with that comes a responsibility to To SHAPE THOSE AS OPEN. M- away as as possible that brought me back to I thought well. Okay well maybe all right so I wrote a play in a month I wrote a screenplay in a year and a half after after you decided to the pre La- after I finished my pre law. There was like okay. We'll either go in for your Jd. And you know start working on studying for the BAR OR SKIP. It was the play the First date state with the on pause okay. It's about it's a first date. But it's it's got flash blacks of previous relationships and those previous relationships all explain why this first aid is going so horrifically awkwardly. Oh interesting I did you put it up. I came close but I got distracted with other things and or anything. No I mean I I. I had a producing partner but then something happened with theater that we were going to do it. And then I just you know after that I was like well. You know I'd also really still to act as well. So it was more of a hunt for representation and stuff like that. Oh Oh so you needed to get re represented. Well maybe yeah I did. So you the the the The school in the writing the play got you out of the game a bit so you had to go back get it gets my approach to but but I just was you know. I know this is what I'm doing now. It actually kind of needed to come from me right to decide to try the acting stuff again. Do you find that. Like are you writing for Young adults well. I feel like when I was an audience. Member at fifteen sixteen. I was always looking for. What the twenty. Five Year olds were watching sure. And so I I WANNA talk to those kids. Yeah I don't even understand kids. I don't have them Sana'a but I feel like it's our duty to talk to him anyway. Of course I've sometimes they find me. You know the some college kids but still like I don't like how. I'm sure you're bigger than you think you are with college kids. I don't know I go perform it places in college towns the the ones that know me and like me or definitely kind of special sensitive tormented little brighter than the rest. I. I don't know it's not the the across the Board College appeal. Our people know their violence. Okay with me so like once you get back into the game are you are you. Are you frustrated now or are you feel ok not so much because I don't I don't have a lot of you know I feel like Disenchantment and disappointment or frustration parallel to the level of expectation. Uh-huh that one has my expectation. Level might have been one thing a while ago. Now it's it's little different and so I don't feel the anxiety that's coming with Roma achieving my goals. Quick enough and don't do the comparison basing my happiness on like. Oh well so and so's doing so much better and Blah Blah Blah. I'd never was like that ever not really. I wasn't briefly when I was in my early twenties. The an every actor has their one person. You might have had a couple of those but I don't have time for that. I've still got mine down. Fine. It's fucked up right. I mean how do you get to a point of self acceptance little? I don't think you have to have self acceptance in order to like. Just let the other part of it go and I. It's you know some people will say well. In order to succeed. You have to be competitive. You know you hear this in sports competitions but the But I don't I don't see it but that will with sports you know it's sort of like I run faster than a game. There's a million different You know Problems right and being competitive in this business. What does that even mean? Denoted mean I hear Ya. I hear it's fucking nuts but like I still get jealous. Even though like I know in my mind that I don't want that they have. I probably couldn't do what they do. All that shit you know but in order to sort of assess that not use those as weapons against myself. Why can't I do it? Yeah it's complicated. It's a constant struggle because I even to this day all have days where like. Well what are you? What does anyone want from? What do you want me to do? Yeah stand on stage naked for an hour and a half. What do you want that conversation? It's an example of like what does it take like because you hear so much everybody here is Oh we love her with lover with lower level. But then it's like oh it's not this and it's not that and as a every single actor out there has you know like oh excellent mazing not right for this yeah right exactly so yeah that. I can't. That's why I never did the acting thing. I never pursued it because I couldn't handle that. Shit right the amount of rejection you guys like. Yeah I can I can. Of course in our mind is it's like you're right but remember when I describe myself as an act tour like it means I can give me a note. Give you make it right. You don't get the amount of adjustment notes would be. What would make you happy waking in terms of like? I'm not happy. Happy like what kind of part. What are you looking for as an actor? This always kind of even when I was you know I I doing different things I always wanted to. I always saw myself as like that. Couldn't wait to get to the older Bette Davis era. You know the the Frances mcdormand always was looking forward to that or something. I didn't exactly know what I want. I knew that a lot of what I was reading wasn't really clicking with me right but you did this year in that new movie. The last Black Man San Francisco and how was that I loved it. I love that script is just beautiful phone to the cities. Which is my favorite city. It's like your poem it is the whole thing is. It's the only way I can take it in when I started to watch group of it and I'm like all right. This is what this is right and the scores phenomenal and Jos Jos. I and some of the shots and and and concepts were just amazing so I was just happy to be a part of that. I'm also on like right now on season ten of the walking dead and I just finished shooting a film in Oklahoma called thirteen minutes. So I mean there's like Oklahoma City They're starting to do a lot more there. Hang out with Wayne Coyne. How did you go? I the drummer from the flaming lips. Was the boyfriend of our hair on key here. He actually helped out with wardrobe on the enough yet. Wayne Yeah the the flaming lips. He's got a whole little world over there. They have A. They have a little alley street named after them. And there's a place with a giant throw. Weirdness kings mouth. It's a each got some giant mouth. You can go in and room. I got a whole yeah. He's definitely hang out there. I didn't mega that on that one. It was very piece. It's about before during and after a tornado hits in a very small town and it's like these intersecting lives type of thing you know Nice Clean Fun Fun. Yeah and what is it like being in the Ed never ending walking dead? I only started season. Ten so It was it was such an adjustment for me to Ab back on TV. Having watched it where you like to be fighting. I I did a little bit. I do that one thing. That's nice about it coming on so late. Friends like a machine right right right. So they know exactly very scattered difficult laborious intense filthy disgusting the adult machine it shoots a south of Atlanta Georgia. Right in the summer no less hot. Just a teensy. Yeah and you're standing in Atlanta. No no too too far to commute because the hours of the days are so long. Typically fourteen hour days season staying. This little town called either sequoia sequoia. I don't know if you say it's annoying or Sonora belts annoying but I hear people say so anyway. You either stay there. Which is like ten minutes from the set which three hundred acres or Peachtree city which is where I was like just under a half hour drive from set. I was here for a couple of weeks. Two and a thing. It's okay it's okay city but you weren't really in it you know. I like Atlanta in the winter. Like the fall when it's not disgusting sticky hot and what and what else do you have coming up like thirty minutes and I just option a script that that that that I have in front of people's eyes that would be directing and its pilot season so anything could happen pilots. You go out for the pilots. He's not which certain ones isn't. It isn't piloting like ongoing now right but it's like the original pilots now and then like the streaming pilots is is is a yearly. So this this five right so this is really going cable too. You've been going on auditions Here and there in between. You're either meeting or audition depending on the project. Big Three camera thing I I would I would. I'm not against it. You know three camera thing never goes away. They even like I think they like the ranch and I'm like wow that multi cam on streaming wh. Why why I talked about that. Yeah was it. Sorta interesting the way they did that like he ran. I think longer than anyone expected him. People liked it. Yeah obviously it was really. It was very popular. I think they just did the last season. But it's weird that it was that that was a new thing because it was if I did not watch too much of the show but I say I'm Elliot also my man my manager so you know. He's a fellow client was a fellow client with your management was and so. I heard about the show and all of that and From what I understand it. That was a multi cam and it was a comedy but it also had genuinely dramatic. Will they'll lamenting interesting that they balanced this thing because it did have the joke to joke business but then they dealt with heavier things and Ashton said you know they knew they got into a system of shooting that because they knew that you could you. You couldn't do that in the in the flow of the show with an audience that episode. That's right saying that they would shoot some in front of the smart different levels. I always very explained to me how that something like. That would work out. Because I don't think I've seen it work like that before. You know that you get that weird kind of laugh track thing right but they instead of relying on the audience just to make the shift right. They were able to isolate the things they knew they couldn't or they prep the audience in a different way. They might have created a solution to the problem. I always had as an audience member with the you know film in in front of a live audience thing which was For the dramatic moments they never seemed to go in for a close up at all. I'm like well. How do you supposed to know how dramatic this really is? If the camera's still way back here in Heinz is still going to laugh in five seconds. That's not gonNA work for me. Like not buying the drama. This is coming off his really bad. So maybe he found. The happy media watched a couple episodes and it seemed to work. You know sure. So what What's this In terms of directing What has to happen for that for your project. Option have to realign and you have to get you. WanNa act in two or no not this one when I just off. You're trying to connect people to try to get people around. You know you take on the duties of producer. You gotta get the money honey. Yeah exactly and what do you do for fun? I I watch a lot. I read a Lot. I mean not not. I read a lot online. I'd like to stop and go back to my book reading stuff but I do. I like I like Any historical biographies. I bike ride. We ski view. I've tried to keep his walk. And then I maybe play a couple of stupid games on my phone. Sure but I mean that's more like when you're on set and you know kind of like inbetween and stuff like that so I wish I did more game playing on the phone. Just get lost in it. You know the news and everything else I do too but I I feel like if you're on the news they try to steer you or at least my phone toys. Steamy to like celebrity gossip or something or later you know all what's wrong with their toe or you know I mean I just. I don't I don't like any of that. I get sucked right into the darkness. Right right right right. I like hopping around like trying to find different news. Sources like AF P. L. O. R. Then all like I'll go. I'll find myself going into groups and finding on like I online activism and all that you know sign every partition in the world. Maybe that'll help. Who where do you ski area just because it's local big big barrier? Yes it is great to this. A little further away only started when I was. I started learning when I was thirty. Four Oh really you like three four years love it. I love it. I'm I'm still developing my legs but I really love it but you went with skis nuts. Nobody no I know only because Yes he does. He's he's actually the one who told me and I feel like You know these borders and it's hard to pick that shit up to a whole different groove right. Yeah how long have you been married a year in two months in a couple of days? How long did you know before? Oh we've been together just under five years. How's it going? Great Love It. A total shock to me. Yeah I was not a I was never married. Never kid kind of kind of person you know and then I just just changed with this one so long as you're happy yeah for sure. Good talking to authorities you. That's it. 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Covert Narcissism Revisited

Dr. Judy WTF

1:00:25 hr | 6 months ago

Covert Narcissism Revisited

"Everyone welcome welcome to Dr Judy. W. T. F. And tonight we are revisiting the topic of covert narcissism. I'm going to be doing a little bit of comparing and contrasting the overt narcissist with the covert narcissist so that you could understand the difference and I want to start by saying first of all on the founder of the healing center and the creator of the mind map system for. Healing human disconnect. And if you don't know anything about it pick up a copy of my free. Pdf book which you can download off my website and you can also purchase the soft copy on Amazon Dot Com. The book will give you a very insightful and thorough explanation of all the nine panels that I will be referring to a lot today because narcissism narcissistic injury is predicated on childhood wounds. So I want to start first by saying that. This is a call in show so please do call in and that number is three two three five two four two four nine nine to five nine nine. Sorry three two three five to four twenty five ninety nine and if you do call in keep the subject relevant and keep it rather short because I know that Many people will have questions about this Unfortunately it is a very popular topic because there's a lot of narcissistic injury going on and It starts with being injured by your primary caregivers. Mother father and then it just gets worse into choosing people who pick Choosing people who replicate the wounds of childhood and then it just keeps on devolving into chaos panel for panel five and panel six. I WANNA start by Reading a little bit from an article by Doesn't even say but it's it's it's Freud's interpretation of narcissism according to fraud. We are not born with a Nego. Our sense of having a soft evolves during infancy. And what happens? During this time as we are D- allies are love objects and then he continues to say that we have deficits in our egos. We have lost particular fine quality and we WANNA substituted out by Looking for it in those we love. So let's start with with Auto Heintz Co hoot and who is a self psychologist in electric for to the analyst the analyst for explanation? 'cause they go pretty deep the only issue that I have. Is that a so long to get to the childhood wounds and work them through so according to cohoots self psychology model an article by Jamie Maclean. Md Dr Cystic Psycho. Pathology is the result of parental lack of empathy during development. So far he and I are on the same page because my My definition of narcissism is the lack of empathy which leaves one with apathy which leaves the person to not care about other people and all kinds of things will go wrong. If you just simply don't care According to Co whose concept. There's a vacillation between an irrational over estimation of the south and feelings of of inferiority which is the idealization of the sell off and then the devaluation of the self which makes for a pretty Rocky road an internal rocky road and we have a caller so hello. Who is on the couch with me? What is your name please? My name is Brian Hi Brian. Welcome to the show and Where you from? I'm from Michigan. Okay thank you so much for calling in and so what the Freud is going on with your life With regards to narcissism particularly covert narcissism covert narcissism. The timing couldn't be better. I left my job at the end at the end of December My my boss. Who I knew for eight years Basically I encountered a bully situation. It wasn't me who is being bullied. It was a CO worker. Who who was very ill actually. And the people who are doing the bullying where people who had bullied me previously many years earlier However my boss when I went to her it was the strangest situation First of all when I I told her about it She she kind of gave me many many reasons why it happening. And all this and then when when the person who was being bullied later ended up in the hospital. I Call I You know called my boss again and said you know you haven't done anything about this. This is this is ridiculous and she she basically said will you never told me that and then we were on the phone for two and a half hours and I couldn't even really get the Get her to acknowledge. Any of it. IT. It was so strange and so bizarre the way she was Reacting and the next time the bully situ I was involved in witnessing more of the bullying gave my notice for the job by the. I'm sorry I said good for you. You'RE NOT GONNA want to be part of that system correct. But I ended up googling her Googling the the kinds of things she was doing and that's how the covert narcissism you know it was it was pointed out to me And it all made sense from from Things that had happened previously The the martyr or sort of complex where the idea that something you know. She was victimized. But then you know Is so many things. And I'm kind of getting jumbled here because I I didn't know that I would expect actually to get on but I did so well I'm Gonna. I'm GONNA do this. I'm going to read off the Features of narcissism. Okay and then. We'll make the distinction between the overt and covert but you can already see the denial right `they excusing the The inability to own her own stuff. She's not able to say yeah. I missed that one. I feel horrible. The the the lack of empathy. So here it is. Grandiose sense of self importance preoccupation with fantasies of success power brilliance and beauty believe that he or she is special and unique and can only be understood or associate with those that are also high status or special and unique requires excessive admiration has a sense of entitlement is inter personally exploitive. Lock sympathy often envious of others and beliefs that others are envious of him or her and displays arrogant and haughty behavior. So what do you think this This weird where does your your ex fall on this list. I would say many of those with the. With the exception of the expe- I never felt the exploitive nece Until this this She she would always. She always She she would kind of do things. It was a strange situation. She would do things for you but she would. She was always pointing them out. You know so so she did something for you than it was. You know it was pointing out pointing it appointing. Those things always so never like tape. Pay Pay Back. Time was coming payback time or unit to acknowledge that. I'm always doing these things now for the sake of kindness or whatever for the sake of You need to recognize that I am always doing. Good for you Almost like almost like it wasn't intentional kind of like the. She was only doing it so she could later. Hold IT UP. Okay and look and look good or use it as a reason to block Let's say she did something that wasn't so good. Then she could say well. No I done all of these things for you. You know Almost like a An insurance policy against when she she could she could keep it in her back. Okay I call it the psychological accounting. So she's doing some pretty good psychological accounting and that she will put some positive deeds into the good basket and then if she slips up and it falls in the bad basket she can always pull out the good basket and say look. Look what I've done for you so stay stay with me. I'm just GonNa read a little bit about Co who'd Heinz Co who's Self psychology model an article by Jamie Maclean MD and I'm reading it 'cause I want you guys to understand the root cause of all of this according to Co hoot narcissistic psycho pathology is the result of parental lack of empathy during development and this lack of empathy can take all kinds of forms from my perspective. I've seen take the form of control and manipulation I've seen it takes the form of out and out child abuse Physical sexual emotional and I've also seen it take the form of of abusive abandonment and so in essence the person is not being mirrored so it seems like your boss is looking for the mirroring. So she'll do this this this this and then she'll hold it up and say don't you see what I've done? So can you see how that relates to lack of mirroring in her childhood and now she's just kind of trying to get it from her her work from from the picture people at work. Okay and then. What happens is a an irrational over of the self and a irrational feelings of inferior quality and they rely on others to regulate their mood which is where she becomes the do-gooder so Going further into this narcissistic traits are president. A large number of patients according to This article and they swing back and forth between depression and anxiety because they do not ultimately know how to self regulate because they don't have a strong sense of self like Freud said there's no strong core I don't know about these statistics. But here's what this one says. Approximately eighteen percent of males and six percent of females have narcissistic traits and the prevalence of full blown. Npd is Anywhere from two to sixteen percent and at the Distorted tends to be more predominant in males fifty to seventy five percent males and Over females and I don't I don't know how they prove such a thing. But this is what the article says so here again. Grandiosity need for Admiration lack of empathy. So does this all make sense to you in light of your boss. I think so I think so. Absolutely some of the some of the things to Sh- she kind of came from a culture. That was more male You know males were more appreciated and she was the only daughter and to me even before I kind of you know. Did the googling of the behaviors or whatever and kind of pointed in that direction. I always had the impression that Probably as a child she w- you know he almost kind of display these behaviors of like I worked at a an industry and we had Our boss was kind of somewhat well known internationally so if she was with our boss and she was on stage or something. You would almost see this like little girl. Come Out What was what was she like. she would Tilt her head back. So we're harewood kind of rest on her shoulders and become very shy and Mike Gurley and if if if our boss was talking saying Nice things she would I I would be embarrassed for her. To to be honest. It was almost as if she was Y- Like a little kid and she was. She was being called out for doing something good. And and then you know this. This behavior of like Very shy and kind of giggly. In you know just Like like she was like like it was an elementary school sort of reward. She was getting one thing that I'll get into more is about arrested development because when when we recognize in people that they're stuck at a certain stage that's simply means to me that they did not develop and that's something cast a shadow over them and in the mind map system. I talk about the five childhood wounds which are Physical Abuse Sexual Abuse Verbal Abuse Neglect and smothering and all of these costs injury and obviously all of them are signs of a lack of empathy. And so sometimes people do. Is they regressed to those points and then they play them out on other people hoping to heal. And that's what I call the. What the Freud. Because we're going back into the pattern and we want to forward the program but the people that we picked two four four with usually Knock US down and set us back so I don't know what she was doing up there if she was getting some narcissistic supply. Or maybe not But you could see you could see with your own eyes that childish arrested development any other questions or comments that you have about your boss or These these these features that come out of childhood injury so this is not like You're born with it. This is the shadows cast over you. That create these childhood wounds in these horrible Defense mechanisms. Any other crush. Oh my I guess my question would be Especially with a covert narcissists. Are they aware that they are using these tactics? the especially the gas lighting and the denying of reality when I was you know coming to her with these. You know eyewitness accounts of things that were happening and she was denying it. Flat my face. I mean that's a great day aware that they're doing it or are they Look let's say. They're at their thoroughness survivor mode. They have to look a certain way. And so they're GONNA do whatever takes to have that look that way. Okay so there there strategizing so in the sense. They know that they've got to strategize all of this. I don't think they're right. They're not retarded. They can't forget that you told them. back in the day that this person may be in trouble and then for her to come back and say. Why didn't you tell me that's up and up and up a gaslight? Isn't it so It was a it was so it was so strange. Because I've known this person for so long it was such A. It was such a strange bizarre situation to hear that You know I didn't get that from our conversation and then you know to go on with the two and a half hour conversation engines again did Ni- as it's coming out of my mouth or or You know denied that it happened. When I was an eyewitness I think a good way to answer the question which is difficult to answer which is do they really planned this out is. Is it a reaction or is it a calculated action? I think with sociopath easy. It's more of a calculated action that they are going to Ponzi scheme you're GONNA somehow Take full advantage of you in some some way or psychopathy where they're planning on this murder. Okay it's really planned out but don't forget. These people have a very fragile ego and underneath this grandiose self which fluctuates between idealization of the self and devalue the self devaluation of the self and then idealization of other people which she watched your boss Stew with regard to the the the main person at the company. And so they're in a they're in a really really painful world and so they're just trying to regulate and and survive and they'll do it at other people's expense and that's the problem. Okay so I'M GONNA go on with with some information here in mind maps some of it and Bryant thank you very much for calling in for Michigan and of course reach out any time to to the psychological healing center okay. I'm halfway through your book and I love it. I think for everything you do. It's been tremendously helpful to me. For other reasons. Other than this. This was like a bonus I could go on and on about other things I learned through you so I really appreciate it all. Oh my pleasure and for those of you who are needing more help from recovering from narcissistic abuse I'm a busily working on a project with my passionate life coach who is passionate about we. helping people to recover from narcissistic abuse it's Epstein. He's part of the team We're doing a full-on video. That will be available. Hopefully as soon as it's edited and put together nicely and it will be the mind map journey to recovery from narcissistic abuse. It's based on My my book my Mind Map and it's Epstein will be hosting that video and So yeah so so look for that or ask about it and we'll tell you approximately when and how to get it. So moving along yeah. I'm excited it's really quite profound. It's really a lot of information compacted in a video. Okay thank you and I think we have another caller. Hello you are on the couch with Dr Judy. Hi Hi what's your name. Hello what's your name Larry? Hi My name is Martin my my Yeah Okay. Nice to meet you. Where are you calling from California California Okay Northern Southern Wood? Okay okay so what the Freud is going on with you and narcissism particularly Kobe. Yes yes My mother Turn OUT TO BE COVERT narcissist. I have had traveled with her pretty much. My entire realized maybe I should say maybe around nine ten something like that started to get really worse and then I I have been trying to please her. You know for for like fifty years and then here's lobue cited her no. Yeah well no into my friend. Who is a psychologist said that you know what I think about? Covert narcissist so. I'm curious how you think of the covert versus the over. What makes you think that your mother is a narcissist and specifically a covert one so basically all the abuse acceptable physical and then sexual abuse was going on for my entire life especially controlling smothering and then old that She does like a smear campaign. JIM my Sibling I mean my sister my cousins and then my aunts and uncles and then See I couldn't well and then when I was younger I never thinks she was like into my room and they read my diary and then she's like so shameless and then she was playing to me about what I wrote in the diary. Because you know I I was basically you know calling her words she and she read it and she yelled at me. I mean she basically ways and then I was like why are you reading my jaw? And then she was like what's wrong with that. I mean like mother should be concerned about the well-being of the daughter. Because I care about you and Yeah that's like Ali the Red Flag and then it was getting worse and worse. I mean like when I get a phone call from boys. She would go on and on about like what they do at their parents do. And then she tried to control me all of that and then also like you know which schools to go to right. This is everything the is under the category of Control Manipulation Invading. Your privacy so the covert. Narcissus is not your typical flashy Goal lots of gold chains and driving a I don't know for a kind of narcissists that that the nicest person and somebody doesn't think that you give us a sense because she's a nice person and I'm very generous to other people but then I were the golden child out to be a scapegoat because She wanted to see really see me as extension over and then she just does not accept any you know see and I are very different or cut. Then she just cannot accept outside including you know what I wear and then hairstyle and then how I think so. Because I couldn't stand it I basically. I was born and raised in Japan and then I left Japan. One day As a twenty seven year old basically run away from home okay came to the US. Because I you know try to live by myself and then every time I tried to live by my cell phone go to other city for college and everything independent region and does not allow me to do that. Okay we'll out of control and also you know one thing that I take a lot into consideration our cultural wounds and the way the culture of worms is is is It's it's very hard for people to think they're doing something wrong. Because oftentimes they're just following the rules in roles of their culture so they're not they they're controlling thinking. Okay so I wanna stay on the phone and I'm going to read you The the covert narcissist okay overt versus covert narcissists. Both stuck and what I see is that they are stuck in some kind of an arrested development. And this is an article by Julie Hall and she talks about the difference so okay so the the covert narcissist lacks the brash confidence in public attention. So they're more like a shine narcissist. They prefer to stay on the sidelines. So if if they're the center stage that they're probably more overt and if they're behind the scenes They're probably more the of the covert and they are harder to SPA. Which is why so many people show up at the psychological healing center and say. I had no idea. I mean I was fooled by this and this really caught me off guard and now I could see that my anxiety and my depression and my trauma bond complex PTSD which we describe a lot about in the the the narcissistic abuse of video. All of that is due to this. Lack of mirroring this manipulation control and this styling of wants identity which she did. She tried to tell you who today what to wear how to be Violated your diary and on and on and on okay so so here area it is so It's very in line with with my thinking so harder to spot just as selfish entitled and manipulated as the overt variety whether bold bullies like we're shrinking violets. The shy type they have well honed. Survival skills so you know smear you and It's going to be you. They'RE GONNA project on U They depend in troy. Got That I am selfish right lots projection. I mean look. The best defense is less accuse you of what you're thinking about me and You know let's project it on the other person so that you can start questioning yourself. Am I sell fish right? Yeah so because another power that apparent has is we idealize them? There are are role models so they say that we're selfish. We will often times buy into that. So it's a trick you know she. She couldn't one yup she didn't succeed. Yeah and the thing is because I basically run away and then came to the. Us just situation got EBA worked because now she's guilt tripping me big time. Oh It's been like thirty years and then Basically she's you know I'm really afraid of calling her because she's eighty eight and then just like the Chinese lady who you had the you know The colour of you weeks ago. I feel like I'm going local tests. But then she constantly complaining about it but then because she guilt trips and then you know call me all about names and then what a horrible person I am like you know the worst person in the whole world and then also thing. I'm referring back. You know basically vicious cycle of not being able to call then. I tell them even more guilty and then doesn't end and you know the surfing is even if you feel tenderhearted and think. Oh she's eighty eight years old. I think I'll call her. You're opening up this this whole can of worms and then boom. She's going to be after you. So what do you do? It's a delicate thing. But I wanted to advice I do. They really need to go visit because my aunt died yesterday. Well a little bit younger than my mother. My sister told me about it and then I was like sorry. I have to call my mother and they say okay. Okay so you you keep the contact short you limit. It often recommend Low contact. I guess they call it. Wait Gray Rock and you don't show your feelings to somebody with these narcissistic qualities. Because trust me they will use your feelings against all the manipulate them. Okay so I would say the alive. Oh she will and also being Japanese. I'm imagining that in your culture. You Owe your parents loyalty and you owe respect so so this is from her. Is your horrible daughter. Okay so you will never. You will never win the worst. And she'll never own her own stuff which is a quality that narcissists Lack they just don't know how to self reflect self-correct so look lay low if you can't stand it then I guess e mail her somebody else deliver the news and I always tell people put yourself I put yourself i. You deserve it. Because they didn't put them. I try to use my sister to convey to You know my message to her liver thing she really wages and then a movie okay. Plan B. OR C. Whatever you WANNA call it. How about a a sympathy card or some kind of a a letter even if it's an email letter Mom really sorry doing part of me. I haven't called it so to my mother like you know. I have a cold her. Sorry but I hope that you would do well. Kind of thing about my fasting. Yes I contacted Pres. Don't worry that I haven't done there. We go okay so So that's the deal you you lay low. You don't give her feelings. You try to show as much Empathy as you can But Number One. So you okay. I don't feel the empathy. I showed the influence you you're why you're episodic 'cause you're a good person and you are it because your heart and you know you don't want your mother to turn you into colts stone which doesn't mean that you have. Jeff Poor on the love is just that if we really peel back the curtain than these people have been very very injured and they struggle with self esteem. They struggle deep way with shame and they have a horrible defense mechanisms of control insulation gas lighting and demeaning devaluing and destroying others. And they never he l. and there. I don't think they're going to be showing up any time soon. at the psychological healing center and. I don't think they're GONNA BE EXPLORING. Covert and overt narcissism. This is a topic they will keep away from because they don't want to unpack their baggage because it's too painful so they'll just stay this way. They'll stay defend it. Got It okay so you do the bare minimum. Keep yourself safe and you don't have to allow you. Open the door for her to vomit all over you. Okay okay all right. Thank you so much okay. You're very welcome. Good night okay. There's just so much epidemic out there. I think this world is. That's why I wrote a book called. Be The cause healing human disconnect because this is all about mother infant disconnect father infant disconnect family disconnect and we're disconnected from than we fall into reactions and low self esteem core beliefs. Like we're not worthy. Were not good enough. And in order to defend against all this not good enough stuff then we will either Aggrandize ourselves and look good and create a beautiful spouse self or will kind of get shy and passive aggressive and manipulative and act as if The the personal act as if they're the sweetest in the world and I've mentioned this on another video but I got I got Suckered that's the best way to put it by covert narcissist and I have a PhD right so this is not supposed to happen to me. But it's just so subtle and why it's so horrible getting healed from this because you don't see it coming. You just think that this is the nicest most honest person until you find out that they're cheating and they have a double life and they're using you and they're draining your finances. And but they don't necessarily come on all that strong with their ferraris and their gold chains or in woman's case they may not come out on all that strongly with with a with a beautiful Wardrobe and and flashy look and and so on and so forth so this is a very insidious and that's where we get stabbed most is when you just don't see it coming so here. Here's the article about the case. So we know the general narcissistic traits lack of empathy. Delusions of grandeur reacting bitterly Manipulation intolerance of criticism never genuine apology or taking responsibility. Lying to themselves like Bryant was talking about the the the boss was lying to herself Lying to others rationalizing their words and actions. How does matter how inappropriate foster rude? That's the cover up so there's a lot of lying going on and you know you buy into it and I can say that I bought into it. Why 'cause I wouldn't dream that people would do that to me? I have this naievety so now. I'm a little wiser and less vulnerable to this So they so those are the over over traits are attract attention. Demand Admiration charm and flatter. Study the room for the most vulnerable person. There Eric in haughty they're given to rages. 'cause they get easily triggered in their core belief of unworthy shameful they view others as competitors to be defeated they ridicule mocking demeaned evaluate destroys. I like to put it and they project entitlements special treatment and they will turn on and off at will with their charms so when they're on. It's very believable. But when they turn off it's quite shocking. Covert narcissistic traits passive aggressive. I think that's the number one thing to watch out for is they will pay you back in ways that you don't see it coming there smug they're insensitive and withholding oftentimes. They'll withhold love. They will withhold money. They'll make you pay for their things. And in general use you seek out caretaker personality types sure because they're they're arrested development and properly being cared for properly being mirrored and so they're going to pick on the kindest sweetest generous emotionally generous financial Lee Generous Person. They can find why 'cause they're going to get all those goodies from them. They exaggerate suffering and sickness so they play the victim. They might even stage a crisis so that you feel sorry for them because they're pulling on your heart strings. They drained their partner monetarily. They train them emotionally They blame their failures. On other people and circumstances never really owning up and of course they do not know how to self reflect and self crux. So this is the danger of apathy when you have apathy you just don't care and when you don't care you could do whatever you want to anybody because if they're bleeding and you're not oh well they're bleeding and and and they cover up see underneath. All of this is a real fear of being engulfed of losing control of fearing abandonment. But what they will do is they would rather abandon than be abandoned. So they're quick. They're good soldiers. They'll go to you. Know to the front of the line to to to enact their destructiveness before they can be destroyed. So they're they're excellent Psychological warriors if you will so this is a call in show and please. I don't have time for maybe one or two calls. Three two three five two four to five nine nine and I WanNa talk a little bit about Oh we have a call in so hello you are on the couch in your name please. Good evening Dr Beauty. It's Allie. How unveil good how you doing a thank you for all your amazing remarks on facebook and wherever you post really really swirling k? Oh you're welcome. Thank you so much for all that you do and for just shedding light on the subject and the narcissistic the covert narcissist. Revisited is is beckoned me from the shadows I was listening and thought I have to call in because there is a lot to be gleaned in the way of seeking support especially for complex family dynamics with therapists than what have you win. They seem to not even really understand this. And this is especially the case. When someone's not a flagrant narcissist or covert narcissist but have really compelling narcissistic traits. Yes so I just you know it's crazy making and it's one of those things. I just talked to my mom and sister. Today's on feeling kind of like I'm the bad todd. The daughter the bet sister the bat child because yes so much happened that kind of runs counter to my claims and my concern than the very. I guess rich historical narrative of off the things that have happened. I mean the list is so long of accidents. Have you just curious from your point of view? What is your experience with with the covert narcissistic injury That's distinct distinguished from the over which has just plain you know they're just GonNa put you down publicly privately. They're gonNA make you feel less than the conversation will be all about And so we're where do you see the distinction from your experience between the overt and the Kover it very insidious and it's hard to pinpoint hard to put your finger on and it's crazy making the triangulation rush -ment the Kyw knows triangulation for sure on on the sorry said that and The campaigning and how you just can't get in front of it and I feel like my whole family has been turned against me. It's it's really sad however there are no witnesses because he's so wonderful and so nice and her legacy is so rich and so many people think. Oh my God. Your mom is amazing. Thought of the earth and everyone sees it that way and I'm just sitting back looking and shaking my head like you guys have no clue attempt to out her and and probably one. What do you mean? They won't believe you because the bread is buttered probably on her side But we asked what makes it so horrible as what you find your indignantly against an over you could just say how dare you talked to me like that. How dare you okay? But with the covert you know. They've got their stories. All honey you know a needs some money Will why don't you get your money elsewhere? Oh you know that would be difficult if only you can just lend me some money and you know the heart strings are being pulled on and there's a crisis and so the next thing you know is your lending this money or building them up or doing favors for them and paying for their meals and so on and guess what happens you get trained out remember my panel seven which represents paradigm shift instead of synergy in a relationship. You think you have synergy. Because they're so nice but then they will just suck you dry and then they'll leave and not a thought about you of how that made you feel. It's literally they will drop and run and just leave. You go like it's a shocking. That's why people have hard time recovering from this thing because it's just so shocking. How they don't truly bond and if you want to understand why they don't bond is that I'll I'll repeat what one person set to me. It helped me understand when I get close to you. I feel like I lose myself in you. Okay so they never really. Yeah were their idea of intimacy is loss of control loss of power. So they'll be able to objectify and use you and drained from you but they'll never really really put their heart on the line so they always have one foot out so they may be in a relationship and guess what they're doing their online shopping for their next one or they're going back to other relationships to try to keep all of the strings in control and to make sure that they're the center of attention and that everybody is just dying to have him back and that that's the sadness of who get caught in this this web and then they have to extricate themselves said this is a pure repetition principle from childhood because it comes from the blueprint of the unavailable abandoning mother father or the controlling the manipulative. And so this is familiar familiar at familial and but when when you play it out with somebody else it reopens all childhood wounds and it is difficult to recover from this if not more so than recovering from a serious drug addiction because you go from high dopamine level. I Love You. I want you forever and I'm going to be there forever for you to they devalue and drop you and move on and then they stick the the the knife in your heart by telling you how invalid non valuable. You were to them anyway. It's it's it's really something that's why I'm creating this narcissistic abuse Recovery video or putting a lot of attention to and just remember. It's very difficult. Even for people to mitigate their feelings because on the one hand as a as an empathic person you can understand that. They're injured on the other hand. You have the right to be infuriated with this kind of behavior. Well again to that point. It's very difficult to even assert oneself because unlike with my situation with my mom. My mom is the one who always has her credit card out or her checkbook. Yes she wounds and to help. Save the day and so many people have been direct beneficiary Of Her generosity including myself. Yes however what I'm noticing. Is this hallmark signature of under helping? So the help comes in the form of writing a check but it's sticky giving you know the right to write again and but she under helping because it's not really meeting the need. It's almost like if you need boots on the ground and someone in the trenches helping you to figure things out when I talk. I don't know if I wanNA share fully What's going on but I live with a hidden disability and so if being is there's a lot that goes on in making my life work and the thing is I need someone advocate than people in the trenches helping me to figure out like The methodology like okay. The game plan in that kind of thing on my own very difficult to do. Because you won't be there for that but she'll be there to write the check but it's almost like throwing a check to someone who has stage four cancer and they need a really good oncologist and there's a little tease of while. You can't really blame me. I'm doing something Nice but then again not hitting the mark what you really need. Is this this? And that? And sometimes these people will substitute deeds or gifts or promises. Fake promises in exchange for They'll they'll they'll just throw that at you but they can't throw love because they they they don't have a bonding. I know I have one more call in. Take One more call in an alley. I know we will be in touch and thank you this really quickly and I think it was really because family members know about financial help and support. They mistake that for a while. She's helping. What are you complaining about? I know she's done these things and then I'll always say yeah but she didn't do and then they see me as. Oh my God how ungrateful your mother does everything and I mean my deal. So I'd never buy right. There's a driving force of people like yourself to expose the issue. So yes thank you for that and everybody listening. Let's expose the issue and Throw truth light on it. And that's our path that's part of the pathway out of this so thank you. I'll take the next call law to okay. You are on the couch with Dr Judy. And what is your name? Please Dr Judy. Hi. How are you good? Is Doreen Brower? Actually I hope you from Long Island. New York yes. Okay Nice to nice to talk to you again. Yes Hi I'm just calling regarding the topic of couvert narcissism and I was just curious the connection I have a like a hypothesis if you will about a midlife crisis actually the failure of the covert Garces being able to continue their compensation's of their hidden covert narcissism and then all of a sudden it looks like a a midlife crisis but it really was covert narcissism the whole time interesting. I think I can understand what you mean by that. So so the crisis is something that that they enter into as a way to A start looking for more supply because now they're aging you know there's nothing worse than somebody with narcissistic injury who was aging because aging is a drop in supply. And it's not a plus right unless you have right right okay. So what will they do is when they feel the that creeping feeling of of their own lack their own? Shame their own Fierce coming up. Well then they'll act out and then they'll Have Affairs or they all leave the marriage or they'll Start doing liaison relationship off. They take off right and so it's really more about their survival from their point of view. I need to survive. I need to feel good I need to. I love what I'm not in love with you. Feel yeah exactly. So there's no concept of love as an action verb. You don't just say I love you. I love you hit all that battle. Draw some people in like well. He loves me. But where's the actions of somebody loves you? They leave you unless you're a flat-out disaster live with in which case they'll try to help you drop the problem and retain the person and if you end up being a disaster then okay. I get it. People have to move on But short of that The the the UN undefined rule is that we're GONNA be together and if they're issues we're GonNa talk about it and if they're issues through it and we're not going to start looking for somebody else to replace that bond because it's it's really indicative of of how guarded their heart. They have a wall around their heart. That's why we call it the narcissistic defense. It's a hard shell around their heart so they get to use people as objects they don't really bond to the person maybe for a few few minutes they will. They'll feel the love within they'll withdraw themselves because they want to stay on top of the situation and they never go. They don't go full it. They're not you find a connection with some can relate. You know everything you're talking about with a borderline overlap with the covert nurse possibly PTSD. I think that borderline could fluctuate between the the idealize ation there the the structure of the be. Pg core is looser so their defense mechanism SAR all over the place. Very emotionally de dysregulates. The narcissist is a tighter so you would not really know that they're emotionally regulated use. You think that they're you know they're pretty powerful. And in control truth be known by underneath the fear. Abandonment which is why they abandoned. They have shame which is why they demean value and destroy you and they can't commit because they're scared of engulf meant and they're scared of being enmeshed in losing power control has different okay with the border. It's a fear. Fear of abandonment. It's a real fear of abandonment with the border line. And then they'll they'll they'll they'll just regulate when that is triggered and with the with the narcissists on the cover of it is a fear of of being smothered and manipulated and engulfed but underneath all of that. See it's layers. It's it's it's layer so you could peel the onion back for low. It looks like this and now let's peel back. It looks like that and now let's peel back. Ooh Look what it really looks like I on. The bottom line is toxic as toxic young myself. What the label is and no matter right a no matter how much empathy have for people who will demean and devalue and destroy you. You can have empathy or not. It's okay not to because who wants to feel so much for somebody that doesn't feel for you. Bottom line is clean up your own childhood emotions so that you don't get what the Freud did back into horrible patterns. That's the message. So thank you for calling in. I'M GONNA do one shrink that tune. My my usual shouldn't and and Appreciate your question in your call. Thank you. You're very welcome okay. This is a song by and let me see if I can get it here. It is called sick boy by the chain smokers. It's funny. I used to have a stop smoking clinic. Maybe I was drawn by the word chain smokers. I'm from the east side of America where we choose pride over character and we pick sides but this is this is us. I live on the west side of America where they spin lies into fairy dust and we pick sides but this is us. This is us so I guess this is referring to the two sides and the splitting. Don't I don't believe the narcissism whenever when everyone projects it expects you to listen to them meaning that the narcissist is putting the paint on the other. Make no mistake. I live in a prison that I built myself. That's that doubled dungeon of darkness that I refer to. Can't turn to anyone easy to say when you don't take the risk boy welcome to the narcissism. Where were you night? I love this line where we're united in our in different so join the apathy club and I'm from the east side and and then there's the west side. I won't repeat it. I am the I am the sick boy. I am sick boy. They say that I'm sick. Boy they call me sick boy. Well apparently feels pretty sick inside whenever any projects. It expects you to listen to them. Make no mistake. I live in prison and it's my religion. I'm the sick boy. Feed yourself with my life's work. How many likes is my life worth so all these likes and facebook So on you know they just. The dopamine keeps coming and they keep boosting the The the poor self image under neath of it so in summary It's not what it looks like. These people are not filled with self confidence. So they're not wise. They're not filled with knowledge and underneath. All of this is a is sick boy or girl who is Hurting and has walled themselves off from Inter connecting and sharing of themselves and so that's why they're apathetic and they could do what they want because they don't really feel it so thank you. Everyone for listening really really appreciate the calls and the questions. Good night everyone

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176: Feedback Friday | How to Cope with the Burden of Being the Ugly Friend

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176: Feedback Friday | How to Cope with the Burden of Being the Ugly Friend

"Welcome to feedback Friday. I'm your host Jordan harbinger. And I'm here with producer Jason to Filipo here on the Jordan harbinger show. We love having conversations with our guests in this week. We had AJ Jacobs talking about his crazy, social experiment. Jason this guy. He decided to thank everyone that was helping him get his morning coffee. So he's flying to Colombia to thank the bean farmers. And he's thanking the people that are shipping the beans and all the barista and all the people that are grinding and processing, it's just crazy. He is a unique guy unique is a nice way to put he's at Lucia. He's a total loon. I love him to death. But he's a looney. Yeah. Yeah. He he spent a year living Biblically. So he only wore like cotton robes, and you know, didn't eat non-co Ida just all kinds of weird stuff. Like, he couldn't sit in a seat where a woman had been meant had sat who has menstruate. All this weird stuff from the bible like the Old Testament stuff, and he lived that way for a year in Manhattan, which is. Somehow kind of impossible. And then what's more impossible is the fact that he's still married agree. Divorce him, which is crazy. His wife must be a very patient woman. That's for sure exactly. We also spoke with Brian scooter more. He's the founder of one eight hundred got junk, he dropped out is school had seven hundred bucks into beat up pickup truck and started a I don't know two hundred million dollar company something like that. He's an interesting cat. He came in and talked about that story and had talked about what he calls, the the W T F or willing to fail mindset and good friend of mine. Interesting guy, really interesting show. And I also write every so often on the blog the latest post is it's about forming an opinion essentially, but when you have the right to form and opinion, when you have the ability to form that opinion, and this piece will make you better at thinking better arguing informing arguments and opinions, and it was inspired, my friend, Dr drew who was complaining during a show that we were doing that. He gives toxic colleges, and you know, he's a frigging medical. Later and inevitably some freshmen will stand up and be like right disagree. With your statement about the and he's like, I'm a doctor, right? Thirty years of experience. What are you? You're not you're seventeen years old sit down, right? So I wrote an article about that make sure you've had a look any listen to all of that. And the the articles are on the blog if you go to Jordan, harbinger dot com slash articles. They're featured there, of course, our primary mission is to pass along our guest, wisdom and our experiences and insights along to you. In other words, the real purpose of the show is to have conversations directly with you. And that's what we're going to do today here on feedback. Friday, you can reach us Friday at Jordan, harbinger dot com. Try to keep them concise. If you can't it really does increase the chance that your questionable get answered on the air. I was just at pod fest out in Orlando south by southwest in Austin, I met a lot of great people. I roasted John Lee Dumas, which was a lot of fun at podcast. And I I gotta tell you Jason. I love doing the comedy I jet jail D at the end of John leader. He did a thing where he goes, tell me who you think was funniest by show of applause. You're not really supposed to do that at a roast. But he did it anyway. And I got the most applause, and I thought that was pretty cool being mean is hard though. Well, you know, me and jailed ego back a long ways. And I think I would have probably one if I made it, but you can't win by punching someone in the face. That is not how you went roast. That's true. That's true. Oh have been fun though. I'm congrats on that. Congrats. That's a that's a huge huge thing. Thank you. Yeah. It was a lot of fun. I love being up there. I would do it again in a second. I think just there's something to the comedy thing. And it's really fun. I get it. Although I don't know if I could stand the going up there and trying to set and all the rejection that goes with it. It just seems really hard. But yeah, I mean, that's what I do on groppy gigs every week. It's fun. It gets the gets the juices flowing. And makes you more calmer person at the end nice. I can take it. Yeah. It is a little release valve. All right. Well, speaking of release valves, what's the first thing in the mail bag? Hey, guys. My seventy one year old mother passed away six months ago. Not exactly comedy that. We're going. Here for the first question in my dad, who's seventy four bought a five thousand dollar diamond ring for someone he met a week ago. So yeah, my sister, and I are furious. My mother passed away very suddenly in my dad was extremely distraught. In a complete burden to everyone around him is though he was the only one morning he needed constant care and attention. So we decided to send him on a vacation to get his mind off things. And there you go he met someone twenty-five years younger than himself in the mmediately started spending all of his money on her. He's planning on throwing a wedding, and he didn't even pay for my mother's funeral. We the kids did. And this is a man who would nickel and dime. The price of tomatoes with my mom when she was still around. Never once. Did he even by my momma gift he would calculate every single dime? He spent for the household in make my mom pay. Exactly half of it. I don't know how to react. I'm just so pissed and I feel extremely disrespected and I feel like with his slutty behavior. Disrespecting my mother, and her memory is it abnormal to be. So angry. I am. What do I do? Thanks daddy issues. Yikes. While through. Yeah. This is a rough one. I mean, here's the thing. Your parents were together for how long fifty plus years. And you gotta think this is a person who spent I assume the vast majority of his life with your mother now she's gone and your dad again, I assume is alone for the first time in a very long time. So it's natural albeit a little unhealthy to rebound or latch onto someone for company. And it sounds like his children didn't want to be that person. So y'all are now upset that he's found that rebound. And it's just a part of the grieving process in part. But you know, he is grieving it sounds like his process is finding someone to replace her, companionship. And most this is going to be controversial. But most seventy something year old men. They don't have a whole lot to offer. When looking for like, a companion a lot of the time who's twenty five years younger? So if he's looking for that he's going to use his money to do it, especially. If he's in sort of the grief process, I mean who knows what's going on? But it's normal for you to be serious. I would absolutely consider talking to him about it. But phrase it out of concern not out of anger. Right. So you might wanna say something like dad, you're acting a little differently since he met this new person, I'm worried you used to be so careful with money. Now, you're really throwing it around. I just don't want you to have money problems in a couple of years. If you spend all of it you've got longer to go than you think you can't be going on vacations or buying rings all the time. But in the end, your dad is seventy four he doesn't have that much time left to get out there and live, and he's probably thinking, why waste what I've got left sitting at home grieving, and he if he's anything like most men, he's not well equipped to deal with the grief in the first place. So this is an escape for him. He's been with someone for a long time. It's depressing as hell to find yourself sitting home, alone and bored with kids who are doing their own. Thing or that Cindy on a vacation, you know, they've got their own families. If you can talk to him about it out of concern, you might strike a chord of them. He's probably in the middle of feeling. Just completely upside down in confused. Also, I would persuade him to get a physical. Call his primary care physician in advance tell about his sudden change in behavior because sometimes especially in older folks, there can be a brain or biological reason that people are acting funny. I don't know Jason you remember this a while ago longtime ago, we got a letter from somebody and it was like the dad had taken in this teenage girl. Yeah. Totally remember that one and he suddenly was starting to like send her these tax messages in the family talked to the girl, and they're like look what you're doing is weird. Not. Okay. And the girl was like, yeah. I know. But you know, I don't really know what to do about this. And then the mom started to freak out because she's like, I can't believe you're basically striking up a romance with a teenage girl we've been married for like thirty plus years, and then she woke up and the dad was like. Standing over her. Yeah. Qripoli? Yeah. That was that was a crazy one. Yeah. That was crazy. And they're like we wanna leave the house. We don't know what to do. We think the dad might do something. And then people a lot of people wrote in and they were like he might have a tumor. Go to go get a scan. This is super strange, you might have a tumor. And I think that was a really good point. Like what the hell that's not normal behavior. I think with this guy. He's he's seventy four. He's staring death in the face because his wife just died. So you know mortality is right there in front of him. And he does wanna probably live a little before. He's gotta go. And he's lonely as hell, you know, if he's with that woman for you know, generations, and she's gone now he's got nothing else to look forward to. So he's just doing the best that he can to get by and make sure that he at least has something going on. So I understand it. I don't I can understand why they're pissed, but you also have to look at it from his perspective where he's just like he woke up one day. And his wife of all those years is gone. He's by himself. He's got money. What's he gonna do? He's going to go have some fun. And I'm sure he's still in the middle of the grieving process, and it's going to take them a while to get past it. But you know, I can't really fault the guy. Yeah. I get it. I don't love it. But I yeah. I guess I get it. I understand it. But I don't condone it. All right. What's next? Hi, Jordan company. I work at a university where there's no mandatory age for retirement, which brings me to the problem. One of my co workers is in his early seventies and his affable jokey and popular with the older staffers here, and let's call him. Joe? However, Joe is also unproductive regularly comes in late and daily has to rely on his other co workers to answer questions that involve web and digital matters attends training sessions, but doesn't learn from them. I can't stand him. And I make snide remarks not professional. I know but the other day I chided him because he didn't check on something that he should have. And consequently. We could have missed out on something important. He then suggested I take over this particular area of his job duties, then I asked him if I do that. What are you gonna do? Instead Joe had no answer for that. And instead started rambling about having worked thirty five years. Plus, and then he was burnt out from working. He said he was going to retire next January. However, I heard that he was going to retire this January. But obviously didn't I overheard him say to a co working friend of his I'm going to die in this chair said jokingly, but I really wonder a former co worker of mine who moved on theorized that Joe hangs on because this job is as main source of social interaction we have job evaluations. But my boss is very lenient. I've pointed out his own productivity to my boss as well in the boss. Just laughed it off we are short staffed as it is. I resent having to take on more work because of this dead. Would do you have any advice for the situation? I feel like sending an anonymous letter to HR other than that. I like my job get along. Well with other co workers, work hard and get involved in various. Areas to contribute looking forward to hearing. What you all say, call me chopper. This is a tricky one. Jason what do you think? I know you have some thoughts initially here. Yeah. My first reaction is what a dick. I mean. The guys in the seventies, relax, bro. You know, have some sympathy. If you're in your seventies. It had nothing else to do or anywhere to go. Would you want some snot nosed kid like kicking you out of a job that you've been out for thirty five years? I guess, but I have a bit more sympathy for the writer as well. Look, totally get it. You know, seventy doesn't have anything to do only social outlet. But fine. I mean, other people are picking up the slack that Joe's leaving because he's taking up a job position salary that somebody actually needs to do. But he can't do it. And frankly, look, I I know there are seventy year old people that can do IT related tasks. It's I think he just kind of doesn't feel like learning it, you know, he's gone on too old for this. And it's like, okay, but just because you refuse to modernize doesn't mean the university's not gonna modernizer that you can just be like. All the kids are going to do it. It's like what do you do? Or what is what is it? You would say you do around here. That's very very office space of you. It is right. But it's like if it would be different if it was like, oh my gosh. Well, we give all of our TPS reports to Joe because we handle all the tech stuff. But if he's just sitting around surfing the web all day, or I don't know reading the newspaper, and then all of these other people have to pick up the slack because he literally incapable of doing the job that that's not fair, but I would say chopper year a bit stuck because your boss is obviously not sticking up for you. And universities are almost universally inefficient to the point of absolute ridiculousness, especially public universities, which are buying large bloated bureaucracies floating on top of massive subsidies tax dollars inflated tuition. What I would do is document each time. You have to do work that isn't yours because Joe is unable to do it. And I'd also start looking for a new job. Immediately. And once you find something then when you're leaving tell them exactly why you're leaving hand in the proof send a copy to HR CEO, boss. Can't bury it when you're like. Yeah. And you did nothing about it. And you're going to continue to lose talent that way he can't just like throw it away and go like, oh, yeah, he quit because he didn't like the hours you can hand copied HR. Joe's welcome to come in. If he needs a social outlet as a volunteer someplace else, and look I know Jason thinks you're a dick. I think he's a dick. I don't think it's our job at our office to be someone social outlet or their source of entertainment. It's great if you can be that in addition to them doing their job. That's great. But if they're useless, otherwise, I mean, if he wants that he can be a volunteer someplace else get a free lunch. Don't be weight who makes other people have a harder day every single day at work. It's not like he's asking these guys to do the occasional. Hey, I've got to do this thing online. Can you help me with it once a quarter? This is like they're just doing his job because he. Like doesn't know how to work the emails, and I hear you on this Jason, but someone's right to a paycheck in a fun day at work ends when they're piling crap on my plate because they can't do their own job. You know, I I'm just looking at the time time served, you know, I'm just looking at time serve guys been there for over thirty five years. And you know, he's in the twilight what the university should do is just find some extra budget and bring somebody else on if they want to keep the guy, and they know that he's dead weight. Then just find the budget and bring somebody else. Yeah. Agree agree. But don't I mean, I just think this guy's gonna feel bad when this guy gets kicked out and he's responsible for it. I look down the line. And she's like, oh, man, this guy who's been there his whole life. You know, put all this time to the university. And I come in it just because I got to work a little harder. I get him kicked out. And then what's his guy? God he's gonna home go home like what drink himself to death because he's got nowhere else to go. He's got no friends. He's got no money. You know? I'm just looking at the the law of unintended consequences that can happen. If this guy kicks. Out. Joe he and I worry about that. I feel you. I agree. I think you're right. The boss should come up with the budget, and you know, chopper, you can find other job offers, and you can leave, and you could tell them why alternately if you're able to do this when Joe's like, hey, I need you to do my job again for me. Just be like, Nope. Yeah. And then when it doesn't get done in the boss is like, hey, who's following those TPS reports online. You're like, oh, that's Joe's job. And they're like, oh, well, hey, Joe where are those? I don't know how the machine works. Okay. Cool. Hey chopper, can you help? Hey, I got a full plate. I've been doing a lot of that. I did six months of TPS reports I can help later on on Friday. But no, I can't do. Joe's job for him every single day. And then make your boss ask you to do this all look, this could cost you your job to because you know, it depends. But that's why you should have another offer on the plate, but you can say like look I'll help once or twice, but I'm not going to do the guys will job for him. And if the stuff starts piling up and doesn't get done. Then it's easier. It's a lot harder for your boss to go uh. Good old. Joe not doing any work. It's like, yeah. We're not gonna do it anymore. It look if it's just you chopper who's pissed about it. Maybe it's an attitude adjustment. But if everyone else in the office is like I'm so sick of doing. This guy's job just band together and say, we're not doing it anymore. We're not gonna do. This guy's job needs to figure it out. It's not impossible for him to learn how to do this. He's seventy he's not one hundred seventy he can figure out how to use universities online to their guaranteed professors at that university. Who know how to use the online systems, just fine. Yeah. My dad's seventy two and he can work a computer like nobody's business. He learned when he was sixty five it's not hard. You know? Yeah, I'm fine with that. Yeah. Yeah. Just just stop stop. Being a crutch forum and let him stand on his own two feet. But I would just say don't proactively try and like kick his knees out from under him. That's that's my only thing. So I really Jordan on that let this guy standard fall on his own merit. This is feedback Friday. We'll be right back after this. This episode is sponsored in part by Honey book. Look if you run a creative business, you know, how to make your clients look good that is literally your job. But if you're struggling with tedious administrative tasks, let Honey book do the work and make you look good. If you've got a great idea for a business. What's holding? You back is thought of admin work is overwhelming. Honey book is here to help. You get that plan off the ground. It's an online business management tool. It lets you control your client communication, booking contracts and invoices all in one place, which is actually a brilliant idea which this existed a few years ago when especially when I was doing coaching stuff because this is kind of a one stop shop for this. 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I'm also having to tread lightly regarding my former employer when approaching clients to come with me. What advice would you give to someone starting over? What do you think you did? Well, what would you have done differently? How did you stay positive through the painful process who helped you through the process coaches, friends, your network, are there any resources that you would have wished you tapped into sooner? Thank you for everything that you do and keep being awesome signed resentfully rebooting who this brought back some memories. Yeah. Triggered he have totally Turner warning. Yeah. So what you can do here. First of all, you can't solicit former clients you cannot say, hey, I'm leaving come work with me what you can do is make them aware that you've left and I did that threw. Either direct communication or back channels when we got the boot essentially from the old company. What I did is I reached out to my network and friends, and I said, hey, can you reach out to these ad agencies and reach out to clients and say, I left the old show. And I'm starting a new one, and it's funny because in the litigation one of the things that the old company is asserting that I quote, unquote damage the business by taking the advertisers. And what's really funny about this is I didn't take anyone they decided to come with us because they knew us liked us. Trust us. We did a great job for them a long time ago. And everyone heard how we had gotten booted from the company, and they just thought it was such B S, and we're we are pleasant to work with I have to say were easy to work with. Yeah. And that's not the case for for those that may have replaced us on they'll show. So you can make them aware that you've left in a lot of people will come with you because they like you. You're the one who has relationship with them. What I did well back then. Doug, the well before I got thirsty. I did everything in the six minute, networking course. Which is what I created for y'all. It's new course, it replaces the old level one stuff that I no longer have anything to do with by the way. And if you want that Jordan, harbinger dot com, slash course. That course is based on what I did to make sure we were successful with the reboot. So get on that ASAP, the sooner the better, and I have to say when we did start over you were apoplectic about how are we going to do this? What's going to happen? And I'm like, dude, you have the greatest network in the world you need to tap into that and get back on top. And you fought me for what like month, I think and once you finally realize you're like, oh, wait, we do have a great network all the guests that were on the show all the people that, you know, from the show that was that was your superpower. Absolutely. You're superpower. And that's what got us to where we are today. So this is this is no BS what happened with this new show. And why we're here right now is because of your network and all. The relationships that you made before we did it so. Yeah. Get on it. Six minute networking, Jordan. Harvard dot com, slash course. Get to it. Yeah. This is it's the real deal. There's no upsets free. I mean, that's the point is it's an it's a lifesaver say my, but and it will save yours to the stuff that I would do differently. I mean, a lot of that has to do with the litigation, for example, the guy who calls himself AJ harbinger is real name is Andrew chasm rows sqi. He's using my name. There's a lot of ego investment in making trouble for myself for former employees of the old company who have nothing to do with anything just petty vindictive stuff. And if I had known how irrational he would have been and that he never intended to honor the deal that we'd negotiated or fulfill his end of the bargain, if I'd known that he never planned on doing that. I'd have been much more public about everything a lot earlier. But I didn't want to go down a road of seeming petty about things and now that I see this is about his ego and not about business. I probably would have done. Things differently. The problem is I couldn't have seen that in advance. Like, you don't know what your former business partners intentions are. So this probably doesn't apply to you. But it always always helps to appraise the intentions of the people you're dealing with. And make sure that they are healthy emotionally and have a real solution in mind instead of just playing out their childhood traumas in the lives of others. So never make them a stake of thinking that the people you're dealing with our rational that they're emotionally healthy. That's just good advice in general. You know, I've I've been in business two speeds before where I'm like, why is this person doing this? And then you find out that like they don't have any close friends their parents were divorced as kids like they've got all this trauma. And you're like, oh, you're reenacting your stories right now. And then once you go from that angle, you're like, okay. So the only language you're gonna understand is force legal action, etc. And you can save yourself a whole lot of time in stress, and I also recommend when you do a new business deal in the. Future have a break-up clause always have a break-up clause. I made that mistake a long time ago and it bit me in the butt to we never had a up 'cause we're my old partner. And I were fifty fifty and he spent all the money of the company on things like always honeymoon and things like that. And there was it was it was a mess. So if you have a break-up clause from the get-go, it makes it easier when it comes time to sever the relationship, exactly and just bear in mind. A break clause is not going to be in stone. People can always decide not to honor it. I mean, we had that in there was it didn't matter. Right. That's why I'm suing them as for staying positive. I called a lot of other people who have been in business for a long time and ask them what they think, and they all told me the same thing. This will be one of the best things that has ever happened to you. And they turned out to be right. You know, specially valuable or the opinions of mutual friends because they were able to give me advice knowing who was on both sides of the equation, and those people especially people that are still in. With the old company were extra supportive of my new venture, the one you're listening to now the gave me lots of promotion, they helped with quite a few things. And since they knew the situation quite well. And they had known Andrew Kazuo ski aka j harbinger. In air quotes for years. They also a lot of people kind of knew what I was dealing with without me having to explain only a small handful of those people are still friends with both of us all I'll put that out there. And so I still get a lot of support from them, which leads me to believe that a lot of people who are good at fooling others into thinking. They're good people eventually that facade crumbles, especially as enablers of which I was definitely one especially as they lose their grip on those people, and they start separate from those people. So spend less time trying to point all that stuff out to others and more time working on your new business in working on yourself. I am very glad that I didn't sit around plotting revenge. And instead I worked on the Jordan harbinger show with the team here. I firmly believe that action ends suffering when it comes to. Rebuilding action. Focuses your energy on moving forward instead of awnings Ziobro about what you've lost in the end, the Jordan, harbinger show is now way ahead of where the old company ever was tons of people have seen the true colors coming from the other side. Also, we've we've showed our metal as a team here, and they'll see yours too. So you wanna make sure that you're showing the right thing. So the world you've gotta show grit determination, integrity, diligence let the other side embarrass themselves in flail without you, go get your best of apple twenty eighteen and whatever niche, you know, you've got and don't worry about what the other guys are doing. They will screw up their own stuff in due time. And even if they appear to be doing well, just remember you're probably going to look back on this is one of the best things that ever happened. You right now. I'm certainly happier than I've ever been more profitable than we've ever been less stressed than I've been in a long time. And I've really look forward to the future. I almost never had that feeling. When I worked with the old company most of the team left, the old company and joined us here in what we're doing now for that. Exact same reason we all felt we didn't like working with that with that side of the business. And I know it's rough now, but you will be better off for this. You can take my word to the Bank on this one. All right next up there, JJ and J as an entry level job seeker fresh out of college. I'm wondering how during an interview I would make it clear that as a type one diabetic that I have to allot time for appointments every three to six months to visit my endocrinologist on top of other appointments, including dentists blood work up, the Malla, gist, etc. Sincerely, men with many doctors. So none of this needs to be mentioned when negotiating a job offer. And it is almost certainly illegal for them to ask. There's just no need dimension. This that said, I know this is a medical issue that you have no control over. But I'd make darn sure that you make up for lost work time. So that nobody can ever say you spend. Much time out of the office. Whenever you need what some people might consider special treatment, medical or otherwise, you just have to work that much harder to make up for things. Never give anyone an excuse to see you as less than work twice as hard as everyone. And none of this medical stuff will matter at all is it unfair. Probably will it make you indispensable at work and make everyone forget about all these little doctor's appointments things. You need to do definitely. We'll be right back with more feedback Friday right after this. This episode is sponsored in part by hostgator. Think you don't need a website for your business brand figure. Having a presence on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter has you covered. Here's a wakeup call. 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Now back to the show for the conclusion of feedback Friday. All right next. Hi, Al on the show, you both talk about some of the wrong reasons to move. What do you think are some of the right reasons? My husband, and I are thinking about moving state and see some enticing potentials to this. We both live in the same area. We grew up in he wants to gain some different experiences, and I wanna live in a place that has a little more relaxed kind of environment in currently we live in the LA suburbs. And the expense is also a frustration of mine, we see some potential downsides to move. So when do you decide that the pros outweigh the cons? If we do move. How do you narrow down the potential options? Thank you signed ready to hit the road. I moved to get opportunities. I seldom look at the expense. Which is probably why live in the most expensive place at around. It was going to say you live in in cat money cash bag central. That's right. Silicon Valley up here. Yeah. I I mean, hey, I love it. Life is short. I live near family experiences. People opportunities. Whether those are my criteria. And so I would say if you're gonna have a massive lifestyle upgrade, and you can live somewhere else. Go for it. You know experiences. People opportunities weather, if you've got family that's close to you. Now, that's a problem, you know, for moving, but I would say if you can live with other family elsewhere or move closer to other family, and you don't have to sacrifice opportunities. And you're not you don't you can get different or decent weather, and you don't care about the weather, whatever that's fine. In those are the trade offs experiences people, and whether Jason you've moved a ton over one hundred times hundred times over a hundred times I lost count as one hundred and ten. Yeah. That's insane. Yep. That's the way it goes. I'm I'm a vagabond. What can I say? So what do you criteria of culture culture is key for me? You know, they're coming from LA or LA suburbs in wherever they go. They're going to have some kind of culture shock. I'm just going to tell you right now. There's no place like southern California out there anywhere. We are just an. Ecosystem unto ourselves. So you need to find out what bits of the culture that you enjoy. And that you need to sustain yourself when you move to a new place because if you move the Montana, you're going to have won a hell of a case a culture shock. That's for sure. So you need to find the things that really kind of resonate with you. And who you wanna be around do you need a metropolitan area. Do you need a a rural area because you know, your your husband wants to have new experiences, but you're not going to get that. If you move to some little town in Kansas, and I think that that's really key. And I'm with you on opportunities opportunities are key. Because if you guys go to a place, and there's only like, you know, to job opportunities for this type of work that you do you're going to be in trouble. You have to have the opportunities for where you're going to make a living and be comfortable. That's that's really important and finally lifestyle, you know, delight going out in make sure that there are options to where you're moving. They're going to fit your tastes. I mean, I moved back to Chicago. And the height of nightlife in the Chicago suburbs is Applebee's an olive garden, which is really not kinda my Cup of tea like I like going to Malibu and go into Nobu. And so like the food options in the suburbs of Chicago really were kinda miserable. I have to go downtown for that, which means travel. So you have to look at that kind of lifestyle. What's gonna make you happy on a Friday night? When you want to go out and hang out and have some fun stuff. So those are the things because I really look at it more of what are you going to do in your downtime because when you're working, you're working, you know, if you have the opportunities like we mentioned to get a good job. What are your weekend's going to be like, what are your nights gonna be like is that something that can sustain you in feed you and make you happy as a person. So I really recommend diving into that before you go anywhere in making sure that the place you're going can sustain you spiritually on that level. Not trying to do with it. But you have to have that kind of thing. When if you're like food, you have to go to a place where there is good food or activities that you can do do you like rock climbing you need to go to a place. There's rocks. And that's those are my tips. Nice. I those are solid. All right. Good lifestyle opportunities culture, experienced people, whether lots of think about, but it is important, and I there's something to be said for saving money, but if you're miserable, but then you're putting more towards retirement, it's like, well, you know, Dina boat during retirement or you can you live your life now right through that through that. Nobody needs a boat, by the way, you can always rent a boat facts are right next up high Jordan and crew often when I'm hanging out with a certain friend in public, and we both start talking to someone that person always seems to be comparing us to one another this, especially happens with one friend in particular who I've known for over a decade. He's just wait. Two charismatic and personable. And I feel like I'm being shoved aside for the more attractive person. I try to edge into the conversation. But all my efforts go to waste, I compare it to situations when I meet an attractive girl, and she's hanging out with her unattractive friend. I'm really only interested in the attractive one. But I don't wanna seem like a jerk. So I throw the unattractive when a bone every now and then with a split second glancing nod Aguado u k. I feel like I'm getting that treatment. It makes me feel worthless emasculated unimportant, and I often end up losing sleep over it days after it happens. What should I do in situations? Like these thanks tired of playing second fiddle. Well, all right. I just I hope that him writing. This makes him more empathetic to that let less attractive girl in the future in those conversations. Seriously. I mean, dude, come on Syria. Yeah. Seriously that you have to throw her a bone come on shish yolks. I mean, I don't know how old is this guy. Do you think it's hard to say early twenties probably has to be has to be. So look you're doing that aside judgment aside, which we've already completed successfully if you're doing this to yourself, and I get it. I used to do this to improve your game. You know, if you're in your twenties, which I assume you are you'll see the attention shift. Practice. Listen to this shell focus on nonverbal communication. Six-minute networking has the doorway drill. That's amazing for this specific thing. Jordan, harbinger dot com slash courses. Where that's at. If we haven't said at one hundred fifty times already my buddy is a model with great game. And we hang out a lot, and I can easily go toe to toe with now, we're also both married. So it's all an academic exercise at this point. But we were just at south by south west. And it's funny because there's all these like, promo gals and all these girls and stuff, and I was like gen Peter. And I are are getting our game on she's like good lot turds. And so she's like, you know, what are we dealing with? And I'm taking a toll I shoulder. She they're cute. And I was like, yeah. Let's see Peter's, you know, trying to get attention. And I'm you know, we're going to it's kind of fun. And but look as we get older and get married off. Man, this stuff all is just meaningless it is far less important these single and third. Fifty women. They have one Genda regular folks have another. You're a fit for one agenda and not the other man, you know, like who cares? Somebody is looking for a snack in oh year. Not it. That's fine work on your game. If you want that, but this isn't like defining your life. You know, when you're thirty thirty five you're not gonna care at all about any of this yet. Definitely not. And there's just some ego going on here. I mean, his ego is bruised so bad. Yeah. It's all ego, man. And remember that this is about the person you're talking to and their agenda. It has pretty much nothing to do with you. If you're hungry and you walk past a tax accounting office. But you don't go into the tax accountant feel bad about his business. Should he opened a pizza place? Instead. No. So what happens when people just eight, but they need their taxes done. You can't appeal to everyone, nor should you try. And that said the Borgen on those social skills up your game a little if you're in the dating phase, it's never been easier. This is a great reason to do it. And you'll also know if it's worth. Because you'll start being able to hold your own in conversation with your friend and toe, and that'll be great for you learning to be extremely adept socially is a skill that will last you for your whole life, dating aside. So don't underestimate that. And like I said six-minute networking great start. They're all as are the episodes. We've got on nonverbal communication and things of that nature are also very very solid. You know, if you're not in the remedial section, but this is the kind of stuff we're teaching to to advance professionals and special forces as well when it comes to intelligence gathering, so Jordan, harbinger dot com, slash course. Good place to start and good luck. Good luck out there could look, sir. Good luck. Indeed, a her right next. Hi, Jordan Jenin Jason. How can I approach strangers in educate them on the environment? Specifically single use plastic. The other day, I was at whole foods grocery shopping, and I watched a woman put one single carrot into a plastic produce bag as well as every single produce item even bananas in her cart. And she wasn't the only one it seems like everyone is just so unaware of the problems. We're facing today. And they probably don't understand recycling isn't the answer and may not even be an option soon since China stopped taking our plastic. I'm a mom of two small children, and I worry about their future on this planet, especially since Stephen hawking predicted we have one hundred years left on earth and the UN report about only having eleven years to fix the planet before the risk of a climate crisis. I don't mean to sound like an apocalyptic looney, but these are real problems we're facing today, and we don't have until Infinity and beyond fix these problems. I lead, by example, by bringing my reusable shopping bags and produce bags amongst other things. But I'm the minority here. I really appreciate your help with this one signed concerned for my children, and the planet Hausa so people are creatures of habit. Of course, I think it's more helpful to educate the younger generation, you know, at schools and things like that. I do gold plastic bag ban. And I noticed that the petroleum and plastic industry. Have a lot of fake information online to deter people from banning plastic bags? They'll say plastic bag bans or worse for the environment. I'm not sure how that works. I feel the same frustration. I really do. I think it's horrible and somebody throws a banana in a carrot and a plastic bag. It's like there's a fricken peel on their you're going to wash it, what are you doing? And then, you know, the throwing that thing out, and it's going to end up in a sea. Turtle. It's really sad lobby. The store get involved with the organizations that make this their priority. There are people that have their stuff together, you can call the managers and management and tell them that you can write letters things like that your check and your dollars. Go a lot further than harassing random shoppers at whole foods. You can tell friends you can enforce social norms. You can teach your kids at cetera. But the rest is going to have to be a movement and educating the next generation really, I really feel you on this one. It is scary. We are pretty screwed the lobby from. Sticks and petroleum companies. Really makes me sick as well. It's shameful. It's evil really last, but not least Jordan, and Jason I've been listening to you for two years and with your help, I just received a huge promotion, I'll be taking over my own retail store for the company I work for in my dream city. There's no way I could have gotten here without two mentors in my area. Both men are in their fifties. Who I struggled buying Christmas gifts for every year? What the heck do you buy for someone who has such a tremendous impact on your life? One of them is I'm guessing millionaire or close to it who often says he has everything he could ever want. The other is very well off as well. It doesn't talk about his personal life much. But we've known each other for over ten years. Nothing could express the gratitude, I feel in my heart. Thanks for everything. Grateful and gift Lewis. I reached out to John ruin who's been on the show about gifting 'cause this is always a little tricky. The key is this if they're married, which by the way is to typically likely successful men are almost. Inclusively married. I didn't realize that. But apparently, that's it skews that way. That's why I'm single. It's there's a lot of gift ideas, some are better than others, but in the affordable category knives with their names or if they've built a company, then you can use if their company, right? You can use the company logo the company, they built if not us their name or a quote that they love 'cause the wives are unacknowledged anything that includes the spouses, the key. You can put one of their quotes on it. You can put an etching if it's going to be for them as well. You get his in her knives. Literally. I know that sounds ridiculous. But they'll use it every day. They'll be talking about it all the time. They'll be talking about you all the time is the Gifter you can etch like their lake house on their their boats. Something they love with the year and date on it, quote, whatever then when the wives are asking and talking about you if you want to take the relationship further the option is much easier to do, and I thought that was kind of a piece of genius because otherwise you're sending them like a fricken gift basket. Nobody cares. You're sending them. A bunch of crap. Nobody cares guys who have ten million dollars. They don't need you to buy them anything. Right. They they they have whatever they want. So you can also look into the book it's called gift allergy will link to that in the show notes. It's by John ruin we talked about on the show before he's really good at this. He really really is. There's an audio version as well. He just he knows what he's doing. He knows what he's doing. So I would strongly recommend this. I've got one to this my family did this for me. And I was just so touched by it. If these guys have pets get a local artist to do like, a watercolor or an oil painting of their pet to give to them because my family gave me an oil or not an oil painting a watercolour of bam. My my big Rottweiler for my birthday. It is one of the sweetest things I've ever gotten. It's fantastic. I it sitting in my bedroom right now on the wall. And every time I go in I smile at it because people love their pets. So if these guys have pets think about. Getting you know, just a custom piece of art of their pets for them because they will appreciate it. Because everybody loves their pets could call on the Pat set even think about that, pets and wives livestock more than pets, though, generally. Yeah, definitely if you want do the knives. We can you can Email me you can also reach out to Heather at ruling group dotcom. She can help you with those knives. John offered her services for that. So Heather at ruling group dot com. And that's spelled R U H L I N group dot com. That's right. That's right life pro tip one responding to advice, and I noticed this the other day, actually, I was at a conference. Somebody was saying, I know I know, and I know what they meant. They were like, oh, yeah, you're right. I've heard this before, but the I know sounded a little dismissive. So when responding to advice or suggestions or feedback say, you're right. Instead of I know it shows that you're actually listening to someone that you care about what they say. And it gives them credit for trying to help. And on the other side of that same coin, if you already understand concepts in someone's explaining something to you like someone's explaining to you something that you already know instead of cutting them off or saying, I know or whatever let them explain it to you then ask insightful questions, you might learn a little bit more about that concept. You'll also find out how much that person knows about the concept. And then worst case scenario, you come off, even if you don't learn anything, you come off as intelligent rather than a know it all so if someone's explaining something to you, ask them in Scifo questions, learn more about what they know. And about that concept worst case you look like, you're smart. And when responding to advice say you're right instead of I know that is your pro tips of the week. I love that. Because I am a I always say, I know always in it makes me sound like an arrogant dick in love the fact that we have an alternative now. I can just say, you're right. You're right in that, you know, at least validates them for the advice. They're giving and I am going to write this down in spit on the sticky on my mirrors. So I do this all the time because I am really bad at doing the. Yeah. I know I know. Yeah. Uh-huh. And just as missing people, and it makes them feel like crap. And it makes you look like an asshole. So I really like this tip. Exactly. Yep. Exactly. Recommendation of the week leaving Neverland ho boy Jason have you seen this wa-? Yes. I have seen this one. This is a one of them barn burners. Oh my goodness. It's bonkers. And I don't even know what to say. I went from like, oh, it's a bunch of people trying to get money from the estate same old crap which it is. But it's sure that doesn't mean it's not true twenty minutes into the film. I was like guilty so guilty. Oh, yeah. It just gets so detailed on everything. And you just go. These guys are not ruining their lives like this to like make it up. Yeah. I mean, the guys that are basically in the documentary are of scumbags as well. Are they I don't know. Yeah. They are the the one guy basically slept with the Justin timberlake's girlfriend who was I don't know Britney Spears at the time. He's kind of been blackballed from a lot of the industry for like, his choreography and stuff. There's a lot on both sides that go this going on in here because since I live in Hollywood. And I know a lot of the people who deal with this whole thing, I do know that all of the allegations are true just from being around people who know that family and the people around him in his in his orbit who helped actually facilitate a lot of the stuff. One hundred percent true. Michael was a scumbag can't get past that the kids that are talking not the kids the the grown ass men who are also in the documentary kinda scummy too. So you got scummy on both sides. But the thing about this is I look at this. We have a trifecta here of from the R Kelly documentary, then we go to objected in plain sight. And then we go to leaving Neverland. This is a trilogy of horrible parents horrible. Parents who would leave their kids with a thirty five year old man and say, yeah, sure, you can sleep over in his bed. Yeah. You're right. It's so gross. Like talk about absolute just star fuckers, pardon me. That's exactly it. They are star fuckers. That's everybody from our Kelly to the Michael Jackson thing. They knew what they were getting into. They wanted the fame. They wanted the money. They wanted the notoriety for their kids, and they were just willing to turn a blind eye. You know, now never mind. I was going to mention the R Kelly interviews speaking of R Kelly. I don't even wanna go there. Yeah, right now. Oh, yeah. That whole freakout. That's just epic freak out. Geez. All right. So anyway, it's on HBO dot com, leaving Neverland HBO go. If you've got an app for it. Oh my goodness. I'm sure you can get on bittorrent. It is just bananas. It's long. It's four hours. Yeah. It's four hours long at least right because it's two parts. Yeah. It's four hours. Yeah. It's to to our parts. Yeah. Goodness. We watched it over two days because we'd just like you have to take a break in between. Otherwise, you're just like you're gonna explode. But yeah, it's to to our parts, and it is just it's riveting and just seeing all the footage and everything. And yes, there was the secret room where he had all of his porn stashed and Jesus juice and the whole nine yards. Oh spoiler alert. It's not a spoiler alert. It was in the court documents when they took him to court. You know, it's all that stuff happened. It's crazy. A lot of you have sent me this Dexter Goth is smarter than you show and asked me if I had heard of it, and I threw out some feelers. And then this guy calls me and leaves me a voicemail Jason I think he should we should play this for everyone hitting the play button. Now, Jordan, Dexter got fear. How you doing brother? You know, who this is got a pretty big social imprint you'll find me online at decks Goth. Listen, man, listening to your show to give you a couple of thought dogs a little bit of feedback here. Some of the questions in those interviews man, they are softball, brother. You gotta deep dive on some of those subjects, you know. There's just one thought leader to another one thing fluence or to another. You know, if you want to know what a deep dive interview is like listen to my show, Dexter governor smarter than you, actually. Hold on. Hold on. Now. Hold on. I got a bit of brain use flow in here, brother. I dare you to be on my show. That's right. Can you imagine that two titans of industry on some hot? Mike's of that. Would be very very cool, anyways, if this peaks your interest because might speak of it. If it peaks, your interest of finally brother at decks on social, you'll find me, you know, me, you know, this is decks Goth out. He'll who's within enticing invitation like that I had to go and do this show to see what the hell's going on here. And so that episode which you will love comes out on the twenty six on Himalayas and the twenty seventh everywhere else, it's called Dexter Gump is smarter than you can find it in the Himalayas app or any podcast player on the twenty sixth of the twenty-seven depending on where you're looking for it. And I will be in there. Trying not to laugh because your your, you know, your thought bombs dropping thought dogs not don's. Yes ago. Yeah. One thought link fluence or two and other. I hope you enjoyed the show this week. I wanna thank everyone that wrote in. Don't forget you can Email us Friday at Jordan. Harbinger dot com to get your questions answered on the air will always keep you anonymous linked to the show can be found at Jordan. Harbinger dot com. Quick sat out to everyone. 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Pantsuit Civics with Ben Sheehan and  Pantsuit Politics

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Pantsuit Civics with Ben Sheehan and Pantsuit Politics

"Welcome to episode thirty four of how we win all over the country people are staying home staying safe and still doing extraordinary things. We're giving you the tools that you need to make a difference right now right from your living room or your bedroom wherever you are. The Best Antidote to anxiety is action. And we'll get through this by taking action together today. We're looking inside the constitution with actor and author of the new book. Omg WT after the constitution. Actually say Benxi and but before we do that. Our show is infused with a grace filled conversation with Sarah Stewart Holland and best silvers. The host of the wonderful pantsuit politics podcast. I'm Steve Pearson and Mariah Craven and this is how we went. Sarah Beth is so great to have you joining us for this. Thank you so much us First of all. How are you both doing during the pandemic? How your family's Sarah you WanNa Start Yeah We're doing really good. My kids are really good ages for this like they're not teenagers. They're not desperate to be out of the house. They're not babies and toddlers. They're not totally dependent So they're at a really good age. It's been fun to sort of be at home with them and learn alongside them when it's not incredibly frustrating. It's one or the other. It's either a delight or a trauma. Just the only options. And so it's been nice to be with my family and we've had beautiful spring weather in Kentucky which is also helped and we are healthy. Which is the most important thing? So no major complaints here. That's good what about you? Beth do you have a lot of major complaints to Offset Sarah Sunshine? We'll now it would just sound spoiled when and if I had some complaints now I would be in the space of profound gratitude. My a miniature schnauzer thinks that this is the best thing that's ever happened to her. She has all her people around all the time. There's always a lap available so she's living her best life. My kids are about the same age as I have two girls four and nine and they are pretty content just hanging with us. They do begin talking the moment they wake up and they don't stop talking until they go to bed And I am quite the introverts in my ears are a little tired but other than that. I am very grateful. We have everything we need. Were healthy we've had some nice weather so Staying at home is if that is the sacrifice that our generation is ask. We can handle it right like hang out on the couch. That's your your civic duty right now so we wanna talk about the week that was with you guys and I sect. What's been going on in your Your outlook on it all but first before we do that. You all been rocking pantsuit politics podcasts. Since Two Thousand Fifteen. How did you get your start? How'd you guys meet and decide to do this? We went to college together at Transylvania University in Lexington Kentucky. We were Sorority Sisters. Which is just kind of a funny part of the story especially for people who only after college But TRANSYLVANIA was a school that was eighty percent Greek when we were there so we both ended up in in one chapter together. It was kind of like there were four sororities at transient and it was like the Harry Potter sorting hat. He's very obvious where you belonged. And so we were both five us. We had a good college experience. Mesa. Grill indoors yes. That's pretty much. What happened I think everyone would agree? Find US griffin door so we both got there. We had really different experiences because as will become clear as we talk more we have very different personalities so we were kind of on parallel tracks in college. We knew each other. We cared about each other but we were not the best of friends. We went off to law school. I stayed in Kentucky for Law School. Sara went to Washington DC. Sarah went into politics immediately out of law school. I did the private firm thing and then we reconnected on facebook because facebook is not all bad. Do you want to pick it up there Sara? Yes so fast forward. My husband would not stop harassing me. About starting a podcast. You just start podcast interesting. I was at the time. A Mommy Blogger. And he was just insistent. That podcast was the future and I needed star podcast and so I thought at first that I would do like an interview show with all the women I knew from politics but I did want it kind of sat there. I really like answering questions. Not asking them the truth and so I was still the blog at the time. Beth was on maternity leave with her second daughter in reached out and said would you ever be interested in a guest post and I said absolutely. That's just less content. I have to create and so she Wrote a couple of blog posts. One called nuance which was incredibly. Well received among my audience that was just basically like hey we don't. We don't have to stake these black and white claims over every social media controversy and then decide like we know every single thing about that person based on how they feel about the lion. People are complicated and so I thought oh well maybe this could be a good podcast and I said Hey. Would you ever want to do a podcast? And she said what's a podcast and I said don't worry I've got that perfect it out and so we decided to just start talking. We thought I we would just do Kentucky politics but got a national audience pretty quickly and and you know it went from a hobby that we would do in our late late at night after our babies were asleep to really just a mission. Not really quickly. That's an in the sort of timing of the Internet. It's not like we were overnight viral successes but I think quickly in the grand scheme of life for sure so he said in two thousand fifteen. Let's talk about politics with grace and then down the escalator donald trump as to spend a wild ride. Ever since that's that's must have been so challenging like okay so we're going to approach this with you know grace and listening and knowing that we don't know everything and incomes. Donald Trump is. It just seems like you're biting your tongue off during every single episode since then. It certainly feels like that. Yes well I think the hardest part for me has been. We started off saying look. We're bipartisan you. Know because I was a republican until last year and seeing the Party so transformed immediately just as I was publicly putting myself out there as like a version of the Republican Party that could be really collaborative with Democrats. It just all has kind of blown up in my face And so trying to figure out how to talk to the audience about that how to process it myself has been the most challenging part for me and so what was it for you. What did it mean to No longer be a Republican. The label started worrying me as we began to travel more and I realized that there was just not any space to be a republican but dissociate from trumpism because it was so much just eclipsing everything else in the party and I kept telling myself well. The most important reason that you register with a party is your state and local races. Right Kentucky's a closed primary state. I wanted to vote in primaries in this tip of Kentucky that is very read right outside of Cincinnati Ohio so I told myself I wanNA build these primaries. I'm just going to keep my registration and try to be an advocate for a better version of this party but then when I started looking at my local races and seeing that there weren't Republicans on the ballot who were doing something different than trump. It's not like I could vote for the non trump option That's when I decided that just enough you know and the National Party was doing things that were so embarassing. Trump was being trump every day and so I thought there has to be room for game elsewhere and still and still away for me to participate in primaries and and do the work I wanted to do and I saw in candidates like amy McGrath. Who is running against Mitch? Mcconnell now Something that feels much closer to my own. Politics may have some differences here and there but the spirit of it being inclusive respecting people's individual life choices and circumstances and identities Having a relationship with business that makes sense. It is a much better fit for me at this moment in our history. And it's it's weird but I hope that it's Walking mytalk because I've said to people the labels shouldn't matter so much so the label should matter so much from either. Well yeah I mean I grew up in DC in a political family. And I remember a time when we used to be able to really disagree on some you know Policies but have civil conversations about where we wanted to go as a country. And and you know I've just seen that completely erode as well Before trump obviously trump was able to come into office by the current GOP. But certainly. Now it's it's just tough that I my heart goes out for you know. My my father is a democrat. He worked for the Johnson Administration. But he's from Oklahoma and all of his friends are Republicans and a lot of people that I grew up with. They're all Republicans and I have just an immense deal of respect for these people and I feel bad that their Their party is no longer in existence. Really so any who. Let's talk about what's been going on this week. I WanNa hear what has stood out to you too and Mariah first of all happy Earth Day. It's a fiftieth anniversary of earth. Day and the earth seems to really like what's happening right now with this all staying at home right. I'm really excited about our because I realized recently when I was talking to my middle son. Who's eight years old that you know? He still thinks about and has had climate change and global warming defined for him as not littering And I feel like you know this time at home with them and home. Schooling is a real opportunity to talk with him in a more in depth way than we usually get to do about climate change about the Earth about our responsibilities towards the earth. I have like sued many activities planned day and I'm really excited about that opportunity because I realize like oh man. He is still getting that message. That I think has has been the one we syndicates for. So long which is just don't litter Just don't make a bad choice as opposed to Try to make good choices as well. We have a long conversation about that here today. my daughter's you know pop in. Sarah and I are recording things and I was working on some research about the Migratory Bird Treaty. Act And I could tell that my older daughter Jane was really interested in it and she wanted to understand more about this. This idea exactly what Sarah was talking about like if I intend to hurt a bird verses people who don't intend to hurt birds but they take actions that are careless or cheap And with total disregard for birds kill millions of birds instead of the one that the person with bad intention might kill so we did a little experiment this morning that stimulate but simulated an oil spill in a nine by thirteen cake pan with olive oil and water and seeing their faces. Like get okay. Nobody meant to spill the oil. But look what happens. Look how hard it is to clean up. Look how dirty your pick me. Pop got you know when it got some of this oil on it and how hard we had to work to clean it up. Now let's imagine that's ocean life. I really sunk in with them and I thought this is. This is probably the best way we could be using this time that we have right now. That sounds like a really cool experiment and I think a lot of teachers are going to have some interesting conversations with resumes for for people as their students come back having having gotten a little homeschooling Can you tell us what the migratory bird actus since you mentioned it? Yeah it's a very old law that we entered into with Canada. Initially because the snowy egret was becoming extinct from hunting and so the law went into effect to protect several species of birds the Audubon society was very instrumental in getting the law passed and then an evolving. The law to include lots more species has been really successful There are pretty stiff penalties in place for companies that violate best practices. Because you know when the law went into effect it really was about hunting but now the risk to birds are oil. Their power lines All kinds of legal activity that if done carelessly is very dangerous for bird populations and the trump administration has written a rule. That's gone through notice and comment period that they say clarifies the law. And now they're clarification. Is that if the bird is incidentally taken. That's the terminology. You didn't mean to kill the birds you just did. In the course of otherwise legal activity you can't be fined under the Migratory Bird Treaty. Act Anymore and that's just disastrous. Because as my nine year old understands killing one bird intentionally does not have the kind of impact that killing two hundred thousand birds unintentionally has. What's not trump to the standard of understanding? That has okay. So it's just. It's it's one rollback in a series of rollbacks. Obviously that's really dangerous and that can't get a lot of oxygen in the midst of Corona virus election season and everything else that's going on but it's very consequential. Thanks for that breakdown. That was really helpful. And it's a it's a good reminder that Earth Day or a good reminder that one of the down. Many many downsides of this administration is that they have actively rolled back so many regulations and laws that were intended to to protect the environment. The air the water. Yeah But they seem hell bent on on and let us drawing those and as you know to pull out old school lake off. Let's call them protections and not regulations to because we all can agree no matter what our political leanings that we want clean air for our kids to breathe and clean water to drink. You know so. These are protections to ensure the health of our families not as Republican talking points like to put it. You know business killing regulations so just saying it's also helpful to remember that like president. Nixon signed into law like a lot of the laws that the trump administration and Republicans have such an issue with now where where enacted under a Republican president. It's maddening maddening is the right word. Yeah well what else is going on that? We may have missed or what. What do you want to talk about from the last week? That's really stuck out. I think one thing I've really been thinking about is the oil futures market which is not a sentence. I have ever said before but you know doing research for our newspaper this morning. I read a really great article in the New York Times that said. Hey you know I know. We're all obsessed with the shortages in a medical equipment and it's really important but what's happening in. The oil market is most likely some of the the the more common economic impact. Which is we're just going to have more demand than supply or more supply than demand A lot of things. Not just with oil Because the economy has shut down We really probably need to start thinking about the The inflation and the impact of that when when we start opening our economy back up that we're going to have lots and lots of things not just oil that we have way more than we usually do. Yeah in your podcast. That just dropped today. I think it was as we're recording on Tuesday You talk a lot about that. Like what it's GonNa look like to come back to our new normal to get people back to work and stuff. I thought it was a really great exploration of that. Because we don't really know what it's GonNa look like. But what are some top lines for that because a sure we all have thoughts there well kind of guiding light that I've been operating under is just remembering. This is a really rare opportunity to pause and think. How do we WANNA build this back instead of? Let's rush to do everything exactly as we had it. It's kind of like a because I have small children. I think of it as like. We built a tower with blocks and fell down. All the blocks are here on the table. We don't have to build the same tower again so a lot of things that I think haven't been working particularly well can be addressed as we start to phase in a new economy and I think this is why the work that y'all doing swing left is so critically important because it has become really painfully clear. What the priorities of Republicans are in drafting legislation like the cares act and looking at re authorizations and adding additional funds and I think right now putting money into our healthcare systems putting money into testing capacity is essential to business as putting more money into the paycheck protection program. I support that too. But if we don't have the testing capacity doesn't matter what else is happening in the economy So those priorities matter a lot I also just think we could be using the paycheck protection program and others like it to do some of the work that would be more restorative for our economy like prioritizing women and minority owned businesses As those funds are received businesses that have historically struggled with access to capital. I think should be front of the line As the government makes these investments to try to get people on their feet again. Yeah I think this is a really It's so hard to know the tone to take with all of this Because so many people are devitt like having devastating Ron virus experiences but this is an opportunity to look at our country and see very starkly. Like where we've where we've really let a lot of groups of people down and how that has deadly consequences when global pandemics which will given the way that our world is will probably be more prevalent moving forward but healthcare is the prime example. People being forced to live paycheck to paycheck so that when they miss one paycheck their entire lives fall. Apart is the other thing. And then we're seeing how or access to healthcare and you know crappy environments have made black and Latino communities incredibly vulnerable to this to this virus So if we make these laws and only use them to to rescue big business and to keep people. You know still living check to check. It's a real missed opportunity for our country to to really improve now. I think that you know one thing we've been talking about a lot is that corona virus has just accelerated the path of change. And what that's done has revealed exactly what you're talking about. Which is all the structural inequalities the gaps in our social safety net the institutions that are struggling under the weight of change. And you know it's not that it's revealing that we didn't know it Any of these problems existed that but it's just We keep using the word Like clarifying like like boiling it down to its essence. Just much quicker. I think then We're used to seeing you know and I thought that Andrew Yang's campaign accelerated you be I and the idea of universal basic income quickly while man did we do. We go even faster In the face of Corona virus in the I did the government should just hand out checks. I think there there are so many areas that will be. We'll see this impact. We'll see that as well. Everything gets faster and things get more intense and things. Start to crack under the pressure There'll be lots of areas that were having these conversations around and I just conversations But actual action and change well speaking of action and change. Let's We always talk about reasons for hope. So let's go around the virtual table and and share reason for hope Who WANTS TO GO? I know one okay. Well that's fine. I feel really hopeful as I look at how people are engaging even through the ugliness of the fight that we have about the economy right now. I see more people pushing back on facebook against bad information That I've ever seen and people who are typically not politically active. I see standing up to say no. This virus is really. Don't you're talking about my friends and nurse you know. People's willingness to share their personal stories. Which is the only way to bring in someone to political participation? Who hasn't been there before right. There has to be that sort of Hook of look at how this directly impacts your life and I think for I hate the situation wherein I wish we were not here. I never WANNA sound like Sally Silver Lining. I totally agree Mariah. It's so hard to know what tone to take but as as we think about what makes me feel hopeful. It is seeing people who I think will come into the political process in a big way who've been missing from it for a long time and will come in with a lot of passion about what their priorities are and it's really great point about the personal stories too because that is how we connect with each other certainly how we connect with Voters and volunteers to bring them into the organizing that we do. And and you're right. I'm hearing a lot of people sharing their experience with this and making it really. Poignant in real so Thank you Sally Silver Lining. That's so cute. Never heard that before. What about you Sarah? I think that in the way current virus can reveal structural problems. It can also reveal spiritual deficits and having the time even in the middle of a crisis. Well especially in the middle of a crisis. Because you know just because we don't have a good language in America for the power that suffering can bring As far as growth and insight and self awareness doesn't mean that we don't experience that and so many people are experiencing that They're seeing because time has slowed down and the world has sort of stopped in a lot of traditional ways and because crisis always sort of give us that moment to to reflect and think and take a breath even if it is a bit ragged and you know. I know that sounds you know to start talking about the. The power of suffering is a weird place to talk about hope but I just think they live hand in hand and I think that lots of people in their individual lives are seeing things for the first time Struggling through thanks for the first time and Preparing to make major changes in to see that In the course of the every day that they were too tired or too busy or too overwhelmed to see what was missing or what they wanted. More of and I'm really hopeful that people will come out of this experience With those lessons and with those insights and ready to make changes nice well sad What gives me hope. Today is actually something that I heard on pantsuit politics. Which which is this idea. And I believe that if I if I recall correctly you all were talking about the protests and this idea that with our citizenship becomes a lot of freedom and so many rights but also a responsibility to each other to do what we can to keep each other save and when I see the protests. I see that people are saying you know. Open things back up now. You know I see people who are scared and frustrated this is truly a sign of the country that we live in that you go out and protest during a stay at home order and nobody arrests you or anything like that So you know. Let's have some perspective But I see people. Who are you know? Really frightened about their their bottom lines which an get so many so many people are but you have to remember in even in that fear to to take care of each other here in California. We had a protester in like a full has met suit so some real caution and mixed messages happening there. Mis Mixed Message. Yeah hopefully they'll they'll start staying at home but you know if fear understandable but let's have some perspective and And treat each other as well as we can these days. Yeah Great Advice. I mean to say really quick about the protest. Even though we're in our reason for hope thing it makes me crazy that the media is so obsessed with these small protests when for better part of three years we've had hundreds of amazing protests and rallies events with thousands and thousands of activists on all kinds of really important issues that don't get covered by the media so any who That's a whole topic. We could get into another time but Well but that segues into my reason for hope actually which is that even during this time that is so tenuous and uncertain and were all affected by it in different ways. Activists are really staying. Active and in our circles are organizing community. We have seen people who don't WanNa get complacent they understand what the stakes are even starker. Now be you know what what Besser Mariah all just said you know. We're we're looking at things through a new scope and we see how important it is to do things. I protect our healthcare intellect. People who are going to have a response to this like you know. Brian Kemp in Georgia's opening up Tattoo parlors and massage parlours sounds great. Moghul get a massage and a tattoo Georgia but We were thousands just a mere thousands of suppressed disenfranchised votes away from having a different governor. Stacey Abrams there so you know. These elections have major consequences. And I'm seeing this community of volunteers who don't want to stop. There was a big day of action here in California Making phone calls Virtual Day Day of action thank you four congressional race. Nca Twenty five people making phone calls. It was awesome. We had about five hundred people signed up for it. So that's really exciting and We meet people where they are. Everyone is getting through this the best that they can. So if you're listening to this and like I'm just not ready to do something that's totally fine too. You know just navigating this this Reality that we're in and doing it with your family and friends is is step number one. But there's a lot of great stuff to do and that takes us to our to do list Mariah. What do we do what was it? Thursday Tomba are lettering party. It was awesome. We did a virtual letter writing party With swing laughed folks from all over the country. Got On zoom wrote letters while Stephen I- chattered away and questions and got some really great future guest ideas so that was awesome. Sound Fun Seren Beth. Yes it does yes. I think that's amazing. I wanted to add on to what you were saying about your activists and in relation to your letter party and to to to lists in general. I'm a great conversation with an activist on aboard at where she was saying She noticed on her on there. I think it was their local Party. Facebook page if she shared like really action oriented This is where you can donate money or positive news articles or shared what they were doing. What the local party was donating money to or what they what action they were taking. They got so much better engagement. I mean I think if you're an activist and if you're looking to make an impact This is a really important moment because people are watching to see what groups what organizations what brands whatever are out there trying to make change and create positively and that will leave an impact for a very long time great tip for all the people who are pivoting to online activities out there so thank you for that sheer positive posts. Yeah so Well so are every week. We do a to do list for people as you just said to give them specific actions to take and that's the whole point of our show so We are going to encourage everyone to write letters to voters. Because it's really fun and easy you can do it from your living room. You can go to swing left dot org slash letters as always. We'll have that Lincoln on our page and right from home or you can use the action finder on swing left and find some events near you and I have some exciting news here. We're breaking our new besties Sarah in Beth from your favorite pantsuit politics. Podcast are going to join us for a letter writing party. So that's going to be Sunday may twenty fourth. We'll have the link on our page Also happens to be my birthday just saying I'll have like hey frio everyone will eat their own little mini kicks on the zoom. I didn't say many. I'll have a gay created so Sarah Beth. Thank you for joining us for that party. That's going to be really really fun. Thank you yeah. I can't wait also to do this week. Make sure that you subscribe to to podcast this week. Pantsuit politics and how we win and you're already subscribed ask a friend. Those are two things to do agree but really two things to do. That's that's totally doable. Beth and Sarah. I guess we will Talk to you again soon. Enough on May twenty fourth if not sooner but thank you so much for joining us and And thank you for all the great work that you do. We really appreciate your grace filled conversations and the approach that you have to politics thank you thank you. Thanks for having me. Thanks for the work that you all do. We LOVE TO DO LIST. That whole approach really. That's how I'm getting through all of this and clean out that closet. Thanks we'll see you on the twenty four. Thanks Guy Things by Ben. Sheehan is a former award winning executive producer at funny or die he founded. Omg W T F to teach voters about state executive races during the two thousand eighteen midterms in two thousand sixteen. He helped register fifty thousand voters through digital videos as the executive director of. Save the day his new book. Omg OMG W T F. Does the Constitution actually say is available for your stay at home reading now? Ben Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to be here. I wish that we could be in person. I actually got to meet been when he was recording his book at our the studio that we record our podcast in here in Hollywood cool. Also get the audio book to read along. Yeah that was really fun. I know we had great plans to sit down and do this. Podcast interview and become best friends forever and so I kind of feel like we did come become pretty good friends. We were on the past two best friends forever but I feel like we really established a report in the in the time that we had derailed like. You haven't reached out once since this all happened. So you're pretty much dead to me but we'll see anyway. You started out as an actor and executive producer at Funnier die. When did you first get involved though in registering voters helping win elections? Were you involved in politics growing up so I grew up in Washington. Dc and I was basically. My parents were involved in politics from a young age or they were. I've been around since I was since I was very little my mom worked in the United States Senate and I remember when I was six years old and she took a Napkin at dinner one night and drew two houses and wrote the number four thirty five in one house and the the number one hundred and another house and taught me about the difference between the Senate and the House so I sort of soaked this up from from an early age just by the luck in growing up in DC and the proximity of it. But I studied political science in college in in sort of have been paying attention for for a long time and so when I was funny or die I would always try to gravitate toward the political projects and then when I was doing save the day with just Weeden. Those were all political videos that we were doing in the lead up to the election and basically in every job I've had I've always tried to find a way to work politics in now. We're surrounded by it constantly so it's less of a less of a Labor to shoehorn in it and but I just happened to grow up in around. It studied it and tried to work it into whichever whichever job I thought. That's a cool origin story. It sounds like you learn the skill of breaking things down to easily understandable bite size pieces from your mom on Napkins. Yeah and I learned a little bit of that from my My Dad is well. He coaches people on public speaking everyone from Democratic presidents to two executive so it was sort of a combination of learning this information from my mom. And then finding a way to sort of distill it but also a lot of that. I learned it at Funnier. Die Creating things for people with short attention spans. I'm including myself and and really honing in on. How can I convey this information in the shortest and least boring way possible? Well I would say it worked because your projects have gotten over a billion views at did you go in with the x with a billion view expectation. What does it feel like to make that kind of of an impact? Well no I did not go in with the expectation of that a lot of that is due to the fact that when I was at. Funnier die we got to work with our. I got to work with people of note with large followings so many of those user through that and then I got to work on a few music videos as well that God very high high view counts. So it's it's kind of weird to sit back and think that the projects I've been involved with in some way it had that sort of viewership but the ones that I'm I'm proudest of are the ones that sort of take important information and distill it down and whether it's getting an ema band there's a video. I WORKED ON WITH ADAM. Mckay where we took a Antonin. Scalia dissenting opinions on same sex marriage. Turn the most flowery parts into an emo song and I wrote this song and the band cohesion. Cambria recorded it and they got requests when they were on tour actually performed the song. But stuff like that where you sort of take these weird angles and turn the news and politics and information around and make it in a way that sort of surprises people and help them digest. The point of that may have to play some of that on the podcast. We'll probably get kicked off all the platforms if we do but so of all the areas of politics all the stuff that you learn from Your mom and how to talk about it from Your Dad. Why did you decide to write a book about the Constitution? So when I was doing. Omg WPF stuff in two thousand eighteen and enduring the election cycle in the midterms. This stood for Ohio. Michigan Georgia Wisconsin Texas and Florida and we were specifically focused on state executive races Governor Secretary of State and Attorney General and had had these events and friends of mine or or peers would come up and asks me questions about rex. Tillerson or jeff sessions and it would kind of dawned on me a few minutes or a few seconds of the conversation that they think that I'm talking about. Us Secretary of state or US Attorney General and they actually were unaware that their state had those those positions at the state level. And this other situations happened enough where I realized that there's a real sort of blind spot for a lot of people in their in their twenties and thirties. When it comes to how government works and I was curious why that was and I sort of looked at my own privilege have being exposed to this information but I the light bulb really went off when I looked at the data on civics education and it turns out that today only eight states require a year of civics or Government Education K through twelve and these cut started after the nineteen sixties really started after two thousand two with no child left behind where there were all these federal financial incentives for schools to perform well in reading and math that was continued in two thousand ten with a group of governors agreeing to common core so you had all these incentives and tests around reading and math and so other subjects that weren't included were sort of starved. And Shrunken. So now we're at the situation. Where only eight states have this and I graduated. High School in two thousand and three a lot of my friends graduated during this time and we didn't really get a lot of civics education so I wanted to really start at the beginning and in the one class of government that I took in school. We were lucky enough to get pocket constitutions and I've kind of went back out of curiosity and looked at it and I found it completely inaccessible. The Grammar Tone. The punctuation the capitals. I mean it just. It was like a different language so I thought if there was a way to digest this and make it simpler than we could at least start with the foundation of our federal government and help give this information to all the people who didn't get the civic classes that that they should have fun fact. I actually carry a pocket constitution in my laptop bag with me everywhere. I go and it's so tiny I can't read it. It's just kinda there so I think I'm going to swap it out for your book instead. I know you guys did that. Makes it even harder with the dense grammar and capitalization and then you have to use a magnifying glass to to get to it? It makes for very inaccessible. Union experience. I don't know why it's there are just so in case something terrible happens to me. And they've gone through my possessions. It'll be like wow. Steve carried a constitution with them. Really the only reason it's there so it's a prop to probably just bookcases on everybody. Inner being interviewed every new show right now. Those books are props just blank pages on the For for people like Steve who may be carry around the contribution? Maybe they've they've browsed it. A little bit What is something that they're going to learn from your book about the Constitution? That's probably gonNA blow their minds a little bit. We'll one is that we don't actually have the right to vote for president. This is something that we've always assumed. And we're we're taught from a young age but we didn't vote for president until really eighteen eighty and the responsibility for choosing electors or really choosing the method of how electors are chosen falls with with the state's the state legislatures and since eighteen eighty every state has allowed the citizens of the state or though the residents. I should say to hold a devoted statewide popular election. And then that determines who the electors are pledged to but this is not something that we have a constitutional right to do as much as we. We may expect that I would say largely the fact that even while Congress can override a election laws when it comes to the Times places and manner of choosing representatives and senators to a large extent. this is. This is something that states make decisions on. And we've been seeing this a lot with the with the primaries where different states have different methods of voting in primaries voting in general some states like Utah and in Washington and Oregon already have statewide vote by mail. That's that's that's the common means. A voting other states still had their elections during a pandemic. So I would say the combination of just not having a constitutional right for for residents the people of the country to directly vote for president. That's nowhere in the constitution. The fact that states have so much power when it comes to voting. And I know you've you and your organization have have have dealt with this a lot with with with with your work and you talk about last week's podcast so those are two things that really jumped out at me that we've just sort of always assumed when it comes to elections but that actually. I had no idea. That's a little bit scary. Thank you and arm. Wasn't it wasn't until the seventeen th amendment in nineteen thirteen? That people had the ability to vote for a for senators until nineteen thirteen senators. Were chosen by the state legislatures because it was sort of the state governments having representation in the federal government and then it was the people's house where people could vote for directly for president for for representatives as long as they could vote for their state representatives than they had the ability to vote for their US representatives. And that's determined by the state. So I just to sum it all up. There is a lot less democracy at the outset. Then we expect but we've made strides in this because now people elect senators directly. We've made changes to the Electoral College. We've prevented people's voting rights from being taken away based on race on sex on many different things ability to pay tax. Our poll tax eighteen year olds. Now have the right to vote. So we've made a lot of strides. I think in the last few hundred years that have expanded democracy but when you go back and look at the source material. It's clear that we have more democracy in many ways now than than we did at least when it comes to certain federal elections nerd question. Do you have a favorite amendment? I do I have. I have one is a cheetah. It's not a nerd question. I heard for asking it. Like what's your favorite amendment. I'd say all of these questions probably have some categorization of Edging into NERD territory. But I would say I think the ninth amendment is really interesting and it basically says there are rights their fundamental rights. That people have that aren't in here and what's in here can't be used to deny the rights that we basically forgotten. The these are James Madison's way of preventing people's fundamental rights that they forgot to include in the constitution from being trampled upon applied to things like travel and personal health decisions. Things like that. So that's a pretty important catch all and if it were very forward thinking one and then the the fourteenth amendment is just. They're so much in there. That was the second reconstruction amendment that established a birthright citizenship. Equal Protection Law. I mean there's there's so much in the in its different sections. I would say those two amendments. If I were to pick a favorite those those would be would be one into what's your favorite amendment Mariah. Probably like some some people. Maybe I don't know. All of the amendments off the top of my head and what I love about the whole. Og W T F Cannon. Let's call it is that. I you know I'm like one of those adults I don't know when I took civics class. I know I took a government class my freshman year in high school but I remember being so completely overwhelmed as a young adult about how local and National Federal Government worked and I was at journalists coming out of college. I like people were allowing me to go on. Tv and report things. And I had no idea what was going on and I don't think very many people Really do and so. That's why this is so helpful and and just like at and something that you should I think go and since then I've learned a lot but I have to refresh my brain which is like full of holes by this point every so often and remind myself of what all of this is is about. And and what's going on well. I think that there is a tendency to sort of be embarrassed or be ashamed and this and this goes for everyone. There's some part of our brain that tells us that we should know this and that we should be embarrassed or ashamed for not knowing it but the truth is that aid is just not a priority in our education system and it makes me think a lot about the speech that George Washington to get really nerdy and throws history. That George Washington gave his final a state of the union before Congress in seventeen ninety six and he basically pitched the idea to Congress of creating National University that prioritized civics and government education. Because he thought it was the most important subject and that we need to teach everyone how government works so that they can then run the government that he and his buddies just set up for everyone and compare that to today. We're only eight states require a year of civics and government education. You know we we. We put this pressure on ourselves or or beat ourselves up for for not knowing this but it wasn't taught to us and it and it should have. It should be the most important thing or tied for the most important things that that we learn. So you know my my hope. Is that this. There are so many great organizations that are putting civic education back into schools like the Mikva challenge generation citizen but there are also the people in their twenties thirties forties. Who who either got very little of this didn't get it and hopefully this book act access a refresher to kind of information. It's a really great great point and This the sad thing is you're right. We shouldn't feel shameful forward. It's it's been a big gaping hole in our education for a long time but The people who should feel shameful about it are the mini elected officials We have so many members of Congress. Now who didn't study civics in school and who don't know the constitution in would probably do very well to read your book as well so those people should feel total. Shame if you're a sitting member of Congress and our president and that guy too yeah there are definitely some elected officials both at the federal and state and also say the local level that kind of bank on us not knowing this information because they can do things like a gerrymandering districts both local state legislature and. Us House they bank on people not knowing this. Because if we don't know this information then we can act as a check technically. We're their bosses. We we hired them for their jobs. We pay them their salaries benefits and expenses. We decide if we want to hire them again. Every two four and six years and if we don't know how to evaluate if they're doing a good job or even what their job is then they can kind of stay in power and they're banking on us or or some of them are banking on us to a large extent to not know this so that we're not you know bosses breathing breathing down their neck so they are definitely members of Congress and all levels of government? Who Don't know this information but there are some people who do and are banking on us not knowing it so this is this is the time with everything going on to really educate ourselves so that we can make wise decisions and informed decisions all the way up down our ballot speaking of that. Let's end with the same question we ask everyone else. What gives you? The most hope gives me the most hope. Is that a lot of people I can tell between just between social media between your organization between all these other organizations that have formed in the last few years. That really fundamentally understand that there are some things that are are systematically broken and systematically wrong and we're not sort of looking for the the shortcuts and the kind of you know bandaids on a broken arm. We're really looking to make deep fundamental change and I mean look at what you and your organization did in two thousand eighteen. You were you. Were such a crucial part of a flipping. The House and you did it. And you led the charge and this organization didn't exist four years ago so the fact that a group of people can get together and have this resounding effect and we can connect a quicker and in more meaningful ways than ever and there's a real desire to sort of take a generational approach to fixing these problems and asking the question. Why is it like this? Why has it always been like this? You know the more swing less than out there and other organizations like it the more hope I get because I think that this what we're going through right now is horrible but if there can be a silver lining. It's that we can come out of it fixing the the big problems that we honestly should have fixed a long time ago. Thanks for the reminder to for people to get involved too that's so important and part of being involved as knowledge And the rest of it is taking action and voting and I would just say that if there's one thing that listeners can can do is just to educate themselves just on who their representatives are even just knowing your two senators at the federal level. You're one US representative your state. Senator Your State representative. That's half the battle right there and following them on social media signing up for their email lists and really sort of following their activity. Because it's hard to hold people accountable if we don't know who they are and what they do. Mariah craven always says down. Ballot is where it's at true. Thanks for giving me credit for that. Thank you ben per such an awesome conversation and I hope I'm people check out your your book and get educated informed inactivated. Well thank you so much. We mentioned our letter writing party that we did last Thursday and how much fun it was. We're really excited about my letter writing slash birthday party are my birthday are letter writing. Party on May. Twenty fourth with the pantsuit politics podcast. It's going to be really great. We wanted to share some recordings from that letter writing parties. Some of the great people who Shared what it felt like for them to be part of that. Yeah can't wait for people to to hear what it was like to in the zoom room with US writing letters. Let's take it so I'm going to be starting small doing through letter writing parties for my flip before nine through and I'm GonNa pick writing letters in my own. Do My Post Clark right now. I'm working furiously on. This mask switched. Maybe it'll keep people alive. Then they vote so this is a lot of fun. It's been a good month. Plus since our last Cleveland area activist group got together to write letters so it was cool to write letters again people from all over the country almost good to hang out like Dan so this is a lot of fun on. This is the first activists might done since crisis said. This is the first time I actually get the energy to do it. So this is fun my wife and I had really the time to do this and Were to keep on truckin about at the Republicans want to do so. Thank you to everybody. Who's on this call math? Thanks for the new season. Mariah's cool hang out guys Let's say you all the time. And thanks while the other actors out there doing the work We all appreciate very much. Your Cleveland Ohio Group here in Fresno we got together. I remind and wrote letters together when this happened I was kind of lost and then I saw that we could use virtual little writing and I got very happy. This is only my third time doing this like this and I will just continue to do more because we need to check out all Republicans because they should just not really interested in any sort of governance and just get people in there who actually canton and thank thing here. We just keep going things to everyone who joined us for that virtual letter writing. Party and thanks everyone for joining us today and for stepping up and taking action. This is how we win. We win when we all GET INVOLVED. We want hear from you. Let us know how you're staying busy during the coronas pandemic? What's bringing you hope tweet to us? I'm at Blues. Boy Steve and Mariah Mariah is at mariah underscored craven or email us at podcast at swing left dot org thank you so much to our friends at dim cast. 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Global Chaos & Mind Map Solutions

Dr. Judy WTF

55:46 min | 2 d ago

Global Chaos & Mind Map Solutions

"John. Hello everyone. Anthem I a muted. Already. K.. Hello everyone. Welcome to Dr Ginny W. T. F., and tonight's episode is going back in time for me. Insofar as the intention of the be the cause mind map, which was originally intended to heal global disconnect I have been concentrating on healing human disconnect just because I'm a psychologist and. Because I now that it were, he'll globally, we have to heal individually in our having a situation that is of crisis nature. So I thought that I would revisit my original intention at mine map and outline some global solutions for healing on a macro level. So I don't know if any of you are aware I have another website called healing global disconnect dot com in off at. Half my global message I would like to start by reading at you. As, a human race, we have become fragmented into nations, religions, social classes, politics, racism. I can go onto name several other fragmentations. This fragmentation has resulted in clash in fallout in the form human atrocities. Although he added although we have been able to sort unlimited heights in many areas of human endeavor we have not yet accomplished the final and most important frontier. To come together as a united humanity, the show tonight is titled Global Clash in Lineapp Solutions and I hope that you buys will call land that we will have a very lively conversation about global healing and what is needed and I will start. Putting out some ideas that I've thought about for many years and one of those ideas is that. We as a human race are only humane. If we follow some guidelines, those are going to be some of the suggestions that I'm going to outline in what I put together. As living the mind map way sodden going to save that 'til later because I wanted disgust a little bit about how macro model connects with the micro model. So the macro model is a map that I labeled quite differently from the micro model and you can see it up there and if he would be so happy as to put it up on the screen, I would really appreciate it. and. So let me know when it stopped because I caps I can't see enroll. Okay. So you can see that it's a little bit different. The images are the same, but it is labelled off from darkness to light. Let there be human beings and I'm going to describe metaphorically what I meant by that back in two thousand one when I started talking about a global unity and concepts like joined the human race which I really. mean. To say joined the humane race because we're already members of human race So peril one from darkness. Is a metaphor for how we were at some point one human race in the fragmentation of it is what happened to us as a human race we fragmented, and then he became from darkness to light and we created human beings, and then those human beings because of our inability our inability to to to come together and hold it together improperly bond we fell. Apart and we fell into chaos, and then when we fell into chaos that could mean a lot of things to a lot of people. But right now, our current chaos is the pandemic in the facts on of economy. The effects are psychology, the beck song every aspect of our life, and then as we volunteer chaos, we align ourselves with certain defense mechanisms to protect us in. This case from a macro model, I label panel five, the `Isms and these are the essence the political `ISMs the racial `ISMs social class is announced the. The religious `ISMs, the national `ISMs, ANS- so. This is amazing is fractured factory, US, and these systems are leading to what is inevitably a clash of the seasons. So the idea behind the macro model was somehow to unite us as human beings come together as a united humanity I know very ideal is just that. If, there's no pathway within it'll never happen. So I'M GONNA put my idea in my pathway into this this healing on a local level and then I'm GonNa go now to the micro level, which is the map that was born out of the global mind map and it's labeled different way for those of you who are familiar with my work. panel one are the wounds of childhood which there are five of the concentrate primarily on and those fly bar physical abuse sexual abuse were will abuse. Neglect abandonment and smothering, controlling, and those who are affecting us on individual basis than I should add instep getting us on an individual basis, and then we react on an individual basis in the code, all of the wizards of the fiber of our being. This is the negative core beliefs that I speak quite frequently about this is the negative view of self in the world and were activated or let's say we are triggered in this area than we do breakdown that looks like a what I describe described to be a w t ap of what the Freud chaos defenses and breakdown somewhere the pivotal point right now and so we need more than a breakdown we need to. Become Rake throughs and the only way that we could do this is on an individual basis, and so the show's really about being the costs because nobody's going to do it for us not our politics not our. Money not our is sometimes they're just not gonNA be. The cause of a owning our own stuff, are us taking responsibility for ourselves in our healing in our our consciousness so this is what I want to talk about, and this is Colin show everybody. I really am very excited about the collins tonight, a three, two, three, five, two, four, two, five, nine, nine, and feel free to interrupt me as I get into this. New High have calling and who am I speaking Hello. You're on. Air. But my I'm for. Sorry was your hello. What's your name? Katie, how are you? Supply. Out Along Commerce to. Actually. Nicholas show. So I'm so glad walk about it and. Yeah please please Adler box commentary in anything WANNA say about you individually and the macro picture of healing locally. Yeah, I think I told you the story, the other day Signature on the highway was backed up traffic in The people that were getting onto the right had a yield sign because they were coming from you know emerge and I was on the highway and everybody in my lane was not letting those people go. So. you know he's like every other person go in traffic so that people don't get jammed up. Well, I. Just like for my own conscience decided to let one person go and I was like still good about the little thing that I did wherever inside myself on the back and I looked at my rear from years I was driving away and everybody honey had followed suit and traffic everybody was leading one person go at a time. So it was Kinda just like microcosm of like. It's just do your part everybody Kinda. Odd. Credible. Credibly powerful example because. It may not be a earth shattering event right leading cars has in go before you knock earth-shattering like somebody launched a rocket ship to the moon been in some way you did because through your consciousness of generosity and the conscious I think I remember the phone call we called it the consciousness of of just yielding correct Jim use that word. Yeah. Yeah. He mentioned that. I, like that. I really liked. This. Are. To me. So we had a long chat about just yielding sometimes we don't have to be stubborn is we don't have to be right we don't have to. Copycat other people's blueprints in consciousness. So this is what I mean by being the cost. So how do we be the cause is that we have to? Adjust our consciousness. That's where it starts. Consciousness is causal in Nick had the consciousness of yielding the generosity of allowing for other people to. To go in of him very simple but. There was a domino debt. Remember the butterfly effect. Okay. So you created a domino Thac people watch that and they modeled after you and they also yielded and then the next car yielded and the next car yielded. So if we were to look at this on a macro level, imagine if they didn't feel perhaps how much. Nervousness would have created or how many accidents you prevented. Think about that when we are the cause of being of. What were the cost of being a person of transformation? A person of a synergy with the planet were setting a model in motion And I thought that was such a great example on an unthankful that you're sharing it because again I want emphasize this is not about huge changes we could all be the cost and we are in a global pandemic in this pandemic is affecting every single one of our life and this is the time where we must come together as the united humanity because we cannot do this alone. So any other thoughts were actually this nick. Wow you just brought up one like this endemic, really kind of. Flip by the fact that we are all kind of tied together more than you could ever imagine. That's right. That's right. So doesn't matter anymore queer American or Canadian or Chinese or any other nation or what religion we are, what race we are. At the core, we are human being. So uninviting everybody to become a humane being and to become a humane being we have to have empathy. And if we lack empathy, it's impossible to put ourselves in other people's shoes in feel for the other person in this case. Nick you weren't example empathy because you could feel the tension on the freeway you knew that people are going to just keep. Shoving in shoving in shoving in line laughs could be it's Day can love the accident. They can end up a very, very nervous short with their family, and this has profound reverberating effects on a many many other lives. So again, it's not about making a huge You know I think it was huge, but but I think your understanding that it's not about some some grand. Gesture, it can just be a simple is that sir any other example that you'd like to bring up where you felt that you were the cause in I have one for you nick of pay. One, like to hear your. Were the cost of my doing the show today, Outsca, do this show at some point but you kind of pushed it a little bit further and because of our conversation decided to. Do this show on global clash in being the cause and a coming together in a synergistic way and creating a system where we can all get on the same page because we're never going to get on the same page if were fractured were a bunch of `ISMs operating as `Isms we are never going to create synergy. And Synergy is what it's GonNa. Take to move mountains. Synergy is what's what is GonNa take to have a break through because if we're not a sitter just stick than we're during the the very obvious fact that we are all interconnected and if we ignore that then we're going to act in ways that support the `Isms, and if we act in ways that support our `ISMs than we cannot come together as a united humanity I wanna just add one other thing I'm not saying that isn't cannot be beautiful in up himself. What I am saying is that if you don't use our `ISMs to contribute to the human race that were not using those `ISMs in a synergistic fashion. And I love your comment on that one nick. Casino. We talk a bit about `ISMs and in macro and micro-. So what what are your thoughts on that? Was Funny I-I Kinda I I'm skin I grew up in a predominantly black neighborhood. So as far as like dividing because it systems and stuff like that I've seen it firsthand people trying to do that to a negative effect. And I've seen people. I've seen people come together like under you know different skin colors and not judge me or you know family and stuff like. I just think you're absolutely right with that. We all need to start thinking what we have in common more than we have different than. because. You WanNa have my up quotes in in in my book be the cause healing human disconnect, which is available. Via PDF chit everyone to sign up, and you can download a copy on. Asked me for. It. How do you like the book? I'm going to read this weekend when I'm actually up during the day 'cause I've been reading it when I'm falling asleep and every time I feel like start over. So interesting. I'm I'll let you know after this weekend. Yes. Please do and. Where are you from? Where are you calling from? Pittsburgh Pennsylvania Gorna raid. I really appreciated any other comments that you want to act to tonight's episode, and as everyone knows, the show is going more global and deeper in cross cultural and. Not only are people listening in the United States and Canada have listeners from all over the world's So grateful for that because I really want to address this global issue, the scoble issue of coming together as the And creating some humane principles by which to live that are not necessarily culturally based or politically based or. A. Nationally based, but just simple humane concept's around going to discuss later on in the show. So if you had one humane concept that you wanted to include in in what you think human humane way of living would be, what would what would that be for you? I think it's very simple for me, and for most people do unto others as you'd have done on you. But I think the question with that is like we're narcissistic sociopath coming to play with that you know. Today. That right. So So admitted that down. So that will be the next part of the discussion. If you WANNA stay on, please do or you know what I'm going to give. Other people to call in. But I'M GONNA, take it from there near cocaine breakdown Ross, system and socio pathy also, thank you so much for calling in. I know we will speak again, hear from you about hanging like block and just in general how you're doing. So I'm going to Segue to narcissism because narcissism lives in Hannele number five narcissism is. Hits a big. Ugly is. That prevents synergy prevents empathy and prevents unity, and where we are in our narcissism of a, we are in a place where you don't really wanNA share we don't really walked. A united with anybody. A. softish expression. It's unhealthy selfishness that is worn out of his system gone wrong and this system gone wrong starts with the blueprint. Family of origin usually mother and father and capitalises. Warren. Deals. You think it up on Youtube and. This now also discussed it in my book fever cost human human disconnected. Now we have a program hosted by my life coaches sdn on recovering from our cystic abuse in please be in touch. Aw. About that because we have nailed it in A. Way That is very, very understandable. Very Very. Up pointed to the problem of apathy and so what causes apathy well, think that the parents are responsible for putting. empathy or blueprinting empathy into the fiber of the being of the child, and so the system gone roller was simply assisted where appearance with their needs before the needs child what happens there is the child lures to either please the per of the of parents they emulate the Perez in this could be as a result of. Neglect abuse or smothering in controlling to the point where the child becomes an extension up the parent at words that they're doing pleasing and fulfilling on their parent's wishes is more important than than south actualising in developing their own. Autonomy in their own identity. So this is an injury starts with the causal level, and then what happens out of this is that it starts twisting and turning into all kinds of horrible. Outcomes. Outcomes such as horrible parenting that injuries children are leaving them with negative core beliefs that they aren't good enough that they are not lovable of that. They shouldn't even have been born. This is some of the these are. So the core beliefs here in treatment and on a much more extreme end of. People who go a above and beyond that may not be able to contain the anger of the abuse of their childhood Traumas, and then what happens is they either implode and fill their whole in the soul with. With drugs. Or the explode and a literally spe- you their anger on society and this is where you see a lot of tragedies of of of schools being blown up or theaters being blown up or buildings being blown oppor. People. Spewing their they're uncontained van Damme on complete strangers as a result of unprocessed childhood wounds that have now escalated to the point of of. Explosion. On on very grateful that on I, have now a possible connection to the prison system. I'm really excited about this because one of my goals is to be at the my map system into the prison system not only in America that hopefully will start here in America spread globally because one of the issues is that when people are in prison they they. Some of them will will will. Present and they will do the same behavior because they are not. He'll. So I want to offer. People a second chance of healing so that they can. Learn and they can grow and they could heal psychological wounds and get out of psychological prisons. So I'm very excited about the opportunity to provide our our society, our world with a healing process for those who have clash and broken down so hard they broke down. Society and then on the other end of the spectrum on still very, very passionate about getting the my sister into the school system. So I'm back to healing individually. So before we can heal globally, we have a job to do and that shop is to heal individually and star by taking a journey into your wounds of childhood so that you can. Shine truth light on these wounds and expose the lies in misperceptions misconceptions that lead to what I call a perception. This crack Lenz of perception is an example of racism. So while we look at another human being through the Lens of racism were cracking where we're looking through crack land of perception at that person were projecting all kinds of things onto that person and this could take the form of racism. It could take the form of a looking at any is on a religious is on or Nash. Political is or A cultural is on if we're not see schrage, we project in worry project it creates a distance between human beings. So now you're not really seeing the person you're seeing the person through a filter of culture religion races, anything that isn't ISM and that is. An example of how these disconnects. Four and of US down even further. So I, want to read an article here by William Davies and Let me see Will you JB's is? On trying to see his background here on. Made. A note of. Willing Davies is a sociologist and political economist, and in his article he talks about crises, which is A. Word derived PC's meaning decision or judgment, and it is also a critical condition. So it's a critical condition that could go either way and so I also see it as an opportunity I want everyone to see a crisis as an opportunity it could go either way. So we leave everything in the hands of other. While then we're not being the costs were being at the effect of if we're going to take matters in our own hands then we are being cost just like. A Nick decided to take matters in his own hands in. So he decided to be the cost when he was sitting on the freeway waiting to. Find a way onto the freeway. So. This particular economists about the severity of our current crisis and the uncertainty. Of Our situation and all of us are experiencing this globally. Again, we are interconnected. This is a global crisis up is on a national crisis is not. A crisis strike some not others it strikes everyone and that's another reminder of how deeply are inter connected. So he talks about the corona fires exposes societies fragility. and that opportunity because if we're exposing our human fragility than hopefully, we can step up in have a pathway to global empathy. So, this global recession is a breakdown because of this, there's a on a global recession, a breakdown of labor markets as we all know, the evaporation of. Spending, and of course, people are. Knocked circulating money in the same way, small businesses are shedding their employees at a rapid rate in everybody is feeling the effects economically, which translates to stress at home in we've got children that were homeschooling. We've got I have a lot of calls coming in from couples that are feuding in. Families that are feuding because they're forced to off socially isolate in the same environment. So this is a pressure cooker for everyone so that you can see how important it is to a half, a pathway, the healing so that we don't explode. It on our family members and our. Our society or implode and. A soft harm or even on a on more extreme level. I believe that some people cannot take it anymore they snap and they suicide. So if you know anybody who is that fragile someone who a needs more support than someone who's talking about killing themselves, please help them out happen call given the number of the suicide prevention hotline which I don't have fingertip access. It's an easy number. defined, but we are in a crisis. A little bit more about this article. We are in such a crisis that there's A. Presen- crisis is fueling close search a war than a recession. We could already see that happening people are heating up in people are off exploding on each other in. It's really really sad to see. Government policy makers will ultimately be judged in terms of how How many people die? That's GonNa be a marker and. In so we obviously need systems in place to. Prevent lots of life. Wearing, a mask is one a assisted in place. It is an effective system to prevent the spread. Socially distancing making sure that you wash your hands but you know all this stuff ready. Okay. So Health services are overwhelmed, but you already know this and. Rishi soon, axe astonishing announcement that the government would cover up eighty percent of the salaries of workers if companies kept them on their payroll, we can't do this for law we just can. So we're going to have to find other means of of economically staying viable in. A whole. `nother topic. Maybe I'll do a whole show on economic viability. There's so many areas of life that are being affected by this global pandemic again, exposing the fragility of the Human Race, this is Colin show everybody. So please do call in and that number again is three, two, three, five, two, four, two, five, nine would love to hear from you look to hear your comments and. please. Suggest any ways of which you have. Personally. Created consciousness where you've been the cause of shifting. Other people's lives and being a support where you have shown empathy and so. This. This is a very simple thing to do is that All can make a difference in some small way in if everyone listening here pays a foreword by creating a consciousness of generosity a- consciousness of extending a little bit beyond the Saaf, the consciousness of empathy toward another human being maybe we can just start there and see what the reverberating effects of this consciousness is on the human race in imaginative. Everyone did this where would we be while a lot further along? So on rapid you this is a crisis is the sort of world making mant it's a it's also the beginning. It also allows for a beginning of a new structures, new economic structures, new intellectual structures at hopefully new psychological. Pathways to healing human disconnect and. Global disconnect. I want to share from this article. That the profound philosophical influence. CER- Immanuel Kant. said that if God had a plan for the human species concluded Kant. Was for us to acquire individual and collective autonomy in. That's what I'm trying to say Cox said this. Well, we've got to acquire individual and collective autonomy. So a couple of things that I'm doing to acquire individual and collective autonomy is number one I'm starting to plant some that Chaba Olsen fruit trees and trying to become viable because there might be at a time when there won't be a the ability to get through to the. Market or to to to get our guests troubles from the market. So we have to be the cause of becoming strong and independent in my book I talk about sustainability few top free tough copper talks about sustainability. So whether sustainability is the ability to sustain oneself in. So couple of things that I've done to become more sustainable bond solar and my car is now hybrid. Hopefully, all switched to all on a solar powered car at some point To be proactive in my food supply. So I plan on getting a lot of viable products that could be stored for longer periods of time beans and rice. And so on. I've also. Gone Egede -Tarian so that I can live off plant based foods, defy me too, and so these are just some of the things that I personally am doing in. I want you to think about what you can do to become viable and sustainable so that you could become heartier in and be prepared for. Being. Independent not, Thomas and Then, of course, sharing your sharing yourself with other human beings finding a way to extend beyond who are even if it is as simple as asking the neighbor, he could shop for the. Baby is simple as Volunteering to talk to elderly people who are in old age homes, you don't have to go there visit the bet certainly can call and get on the phone with them and chat with them, and there's so many things. It's it's analysts what human beings are capable of doing and it's endless. How Amazing? Anything that is coming from the consciousness of generosity in sharing it's endless what a global. Impact it creates from individual it reverberates to the outside circle then the community and the the people that are influenced by that and then hopefully globally. So. With all of the. Ability we have to. Get out there and talk to other people. We can be the cause of doing a lot of good in the world. So this is Colin show I'm hoping that we will have some collins in love to hear from you and These to call in. So enemy time here's an article by James Chan. April Twentieth Twenty Twenty I tried to get me soon articles because of the recent global pandemic. An economic collapse is the breakdown of national regional or territorial economy that typically follows a time of crisis. I would say that were there So an economic collapse occurs at the onset of severe of version of events Contraction depression or recession and Daniel Talks about a black swan events which are these random events like the corona virus is a black swan dead. It just kind of swoop down and. Created a bunch of global chaos which we are now. Dealing with. So he talks about some key takeaways. He says e long economic collapses not part of the regular expansion and contraction is more clearly identified by a widespread rake down of everything. And then he talks about the extrordinary event and a WanNa tied again to the opportunity we have an extraordinary event in it is time for us to be calm extrordinary in. I. WanNa hear from you how you have become maybe ordinarily extraordinary conflict what rick victim did he was ordinarily extraordinary love to hear from you. So please do call in a three two three. Five, two, four, two, five, nine, one, nine to five nine. So we are expanding contracting, but this is breaking us, and hopefully we can break through this rantiss breakdown and going back to the initial point. Weird restart we have to start with ourselves because this is where we become causal and. We have to start by healing our own childhood wounds so that we're powerful healthy We have to own our own stuff so that we could be soft responsible could become sustainable, economically sustainable and physically sustainable. So sustainability hits every area of life, our money area, our mental health area are. Are Physical Health area. So this is the time to exercise and be ready for a for for the stress. The undue stress that is upon us in this undue stress can cause flareups in in in our symptoms, those of you who are suffering from. Autoimmune. Disease people who are suffering from that cakes and other aches and stomach ailments and in. So on. The stress is something that breaks us down. So this is the time to be a sustainable hardy in pro active while we're proactive than we have the opportunity to be repaired and when we're prepared, we can withstand so much more than when me are blindsided by by more events blindsided in in other areas that might come upon us. So he talks about a post collapse analysis, Ami are not gonNA posts collapsed analysis because we're in the middle of the crisis sauce only afterwards that we can really see what toll it has taken on us. So what's not wait till the post post collapsed analysis was be pro active now in dot is the best no way that I know how to on. To prepare myself and increase my emotional physical bad with so that I could be strong for myself, my family, my patients and The rest of the world, and so I invite you to do the same. Also. WanNa get a little bit more into. This. Way. Have outlined a mind map solution to the crisis in a few would be so kind as to put up. My Mind Map. Pathway to healing from all of this, and it's called living by a mind map. System. Thank you very much and there is the mind map began and I am suggesting a system, a human system, they strong the mind map system. I have labeled in a little bit differently here and so on. Go through the entire mind map as a pathway to sustainability a pathway to global. Healing so the first step is. Our word, our word is our contract. If we make a promise to somebody if we make a commitment to something than we are either verbally contracting or we are contracting in writing a contract should be a binding a thing. So we can push forward with a plan unless we have a solid committed word the next thing is keeping the commitment to that word. And so we have a word or no commitment it's not sustainable because then we could just keep breaking word or changing our words or so the commitment is a really really important part of solidifying that and the other aspect is to apologize. So if there's any rate in the contract while fix it. Fix It right then there are not only apologize repair it. Repair it and make sure that you learn her so that you don't rake the bond again. So this is where the south correction in soft reflections starts to. To happen is that we have to oral stop and begin to see where we broken something. That is really important. For the fabric of a system gone, right. So this is my idea creating the system gone right this assistant gone wrong of course, and then the keeping of your word, which is your commitment. So you have the commitment and then you have to keep the commitment and it it's not a casual thing. It's not like while today I feel like it tomorrow I don't feel like this is the action thing. So the things don't fall apart you could see that the image above the words. Keep your commitment is the image of chaos, and if we don't keep our commitment, we're GONNA have chaos, and then the other thing is to own up to wrongdoing in this is where we own our own stuff because we. Own our own staffer acting like a a an individual narcissism. So then it becomes about Mimi as opposed to a preparation for a we. So we've got own our own stuff in order to of be a sustainable humane, human race, and then of course, we have to be trustworthy because a lot of the the injuries that I work with with the patients here the psychological healing center is a breaking of trust and when a child is not able to trust their primary caregivers than they no longer have a sense of trust in the world. That's because the mother, the father usually the mother and the Father America caregivers are the blueprint for trust and if he cannot trust, we don't. have. The opportunity to come together and Ciller Jaaz, with other people on the contrary we will live in a crack lengths of perception of paranoia and we will be more prone to clashing with other people and breaking down at exploding on other people and creating wide a breakdown. Of Be you the the seven hell here is in healing process and the global. Halfway he elaine soft reflections. So you could see that one we selfie flack were able to make space for. Others. Were only laurels stuff were not just being stubborn ISM selfish `ISMs, epithets, `ISMs we are self reflecting so that we're able to come together with other people who are also on the same page is a really really important heart of living by the mind Max Sista as a matter of fact is so important that I have created something called the peaceful healing dialogue for suffer flexing and then healing into south correcting. So the peaceful healing dialogue, which is also available in the book and. You can also a get a copy from me, Dr Gdn Psychological Healing Center be happy to send you. This peaceful healing dialogue and it's way of self correcting so that you don't rake the connection with other people and finally healing individually to feel globally, we have to be responsible because how can we expect to get along with other people that we haven't even met other people from different cultures and religions, different philosophies and so on. If we're hurting in if we are stuck in our own pain for stock in our own psycho pathology like to refer to it, it is impossible to be synergistic with others if we can't even be synergistic ourselves. So that's why I decided to concentrate my energy on healing individually in order to create a more sustainable. Mentally fit a human race and extend this healing hopefully into the school systems on one end of the spectrum and the prison system on the other end of the spectrum and everybody in between so that we could all be part of responsible for our own Jalen. So I think with that said I don't think we have too much time for Colin. But if anybody wants to call in and comment I would love to hear from you and. Again I WANNA thank next for being an influence cer- in pushing this subject were a subject that I have had in my in my heart for decades really and This is now time it's now time for me to start talking about healing on a global level in have another website called healing global disconnect dot com, and we're working on that website. Popley could make comments there I love to hear your ideas on how to create a humane. A humanity, a humane humanity and what we can do. All individually to be the cause of creating. More pathways. To healing ourselves and being there for other people and being. Of Not only healing ourselves but extending that to to other people as well. So would like to end the show with shrinking choon in this shoot is called if everyone cares. So. is a song Bein nickelback. From underneath the trees we watch the sky. Confusing stars satellites. What's interesting? Confusing stars, satellites, I never dreamed you'd be mine but here we are here tonight. So here we are together the human race. We're watching the scour all interconnected by the planets in the stars in the sky above everyone on the planet could see stars everyone shares the skoll seeing a man I'm alive. Aren't we lucky to be alive? So many people have not made it and we are lucky to be alive. Man I'm alive if everyone cared nobody cried if everyone loved and nobody lied. Everyone shared in swallowed their pride love that line everyone share swallowed their pride. Then we see the day when nobody died in I'm singing and I'm not odd maturity. This nobody died in a different way because of course, we're all GONNA. Die But that we're not going to leave anybody out we're not just gonNA ignore someone in this in mind reputation is that you you include people that you care about people you don't just let them die literally or figuratively eat aren't just abandoned people and I'm seeing a man on alive are only light in paradise will show the world they were wrong in teach them all to sing along in this is the The intricate. Sing along that, we're all singing along that we're uniting. If everyone cared nobody cried if everyone loved nobody lied everyone shared and swallow their pride than we'd see the day and I run end this show on the tune of. The costs because we're all the CAUSSE. Thank you so much. Everyone a look forward to more shows on healing global disconnect, and hoping to hear from you at my website healing global disconnect dot com, and please feel free to. Call and request a free consultation and. Any ideas that you share about how to become more humane as a human race on very interested in receiving your your thoughts on that. Denied every while.

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Episode 1085 - Scott Caan

WTF with Marc Maron Podcast

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Episode 1085 - Scott Caan

"Happy New Year folks. It's twenty twenty and it's time to turn your great idea into a reality with squarespace. Launch Your Passion Project Showcase your your work sell products of any kind of with squarespace with beautiful templates and the ability to customize just about anything you can easily make a beautiful website yourself and if you do get stuck square spaces twenty four seven award. Winning customer support is there to help head to squarespace dot dot com slash W. T. F. for a free trial. And when you're ready to launch us the offer code W T.F to save ten percent off your first purchase of of a website or domain. Oh here we go here we go again twenty twenty another a decade. I made it. I made it. I'm in decades six of me all right. Let's do the show all right. Let's do this. How are you? What the fuckers? Here's what the fuck buddies. What the fuck nears? Happy New Year. Happy new decade. Is that too optimistic. You know we're in it here. We go again. We made it another year. Are things getting better. Some things are definitely not getting better. Other things may be I personally. And then my sixth decade of life on planet Earth fifty six years old and. I don't think I really took into consideration. What this transition means like for me? New Year's is kind of a I I I don't do much on New Year's I don't go to parties. I don't work on new years I used to. Sometimes they used to go out and do the early spot get out in now maybe go out to dinner but the last few years keep a low profile watch a movie. Take it in the The the changing of the year with the someone close to me and that that's usually been the thing. I don't think I really thought about the the fact that we're entering another decade that it's been a decade and that there were some markers this decade I mean. This decade was a decade for me. This was the decade. Really for me it might. This might be the not the last decade but this might be the pinnacle this last decade of the Marc Maron Experience agreeance of the Marc Maron trajectory. We might be arguing downward now so it was a big decade. But I'll talk about that in a minute. Let's get some stuff out of the way today on the show. Scott Caan is is an actor. He's the son of James Caan. He's on Hawaii Five. O that's currently in its tenth season. He's in it's on Friday nights on. CBS I ran into him at Mogadishu. You're in New York City. When I introduced myself he knew who I was? I've liked his work in the oceans movie. Always very funny with Casey Affleck. I have not watched very little Hawaii. Five O I always like James Caan. Tough Ju- you'll you'll feel feel the presence of me poking around in and Scott cons a brain in life for tidbits about his old man but you know you also lived. Scott was no slouch. Ouch he's been there and back in. It was nice to talk to him. Even though I did probably get a little annoying I tend to do that with the sons or daughters of the people who do the things. It's hard to avoid it but usually I'm respectful but I think we got a little something they all anyway. Scott Caan is here my tour dates if I could did the freezing portion the freezing leg of the hey. There's more tour begins Thursday January thirtieth in Cleveland Ohio at the Agora Theater. And then we go to January thirty first in Grand Rapids Michigan at the Fountain Street Church. Saturday February I in Milwaukee Wisconsin at the Turner Hall Ballroom Room Friday February fourteenth. Take a break from the freezing go down to Orlando Florida. At the hard rock live and then onto Tampa on Saturday the fifteenth of February Ed Worry at at Strasbourg Center Thursday February twentieth. Backup to freezing Portland Maine State Theater Friday February Twenty First Providence Rhode Island at the Columbus Theatre. Saturday February twenty-second New Haven Connecticut. At College Street Music Hall and Sunday February Twenty Third Huntington New York at the paramount go to W. pod dot com slash tour for links to all the venues. Can you dig it. All those dates I will be doing with Dean del Rey Eh Dean del Rey and me. So the ten year marker the decade marker the new decade business it was ten ears in September since the beginning of this podcast since we since when I started back in two thousand and nine at the old house in the old garage and that's a that's a big deal. The arc of this decade has been very very impactful and life life-changing period of time for me. I'm now in a new house in a new situation. I'm about to move into the garage of this house. It's a nicer garage. Avi Sweden Sweden. It's all redone and and it just. I guess everything goes on. Things are certainly different but I tried to take a look back with a little bit of gratitude. The tude over the last couple of days as we begin this New Year with some trepidation. Some fearsome hope also some some weariness some the idea of like you know like when can I just ease out but look I just hope that you took a bit of time to express at least to yourself Some gratitude for what you do have and what has gone well and and maybe How how you can do things differently? As I've said before it's difficult to live in a world where you're maybe things are going well for you personally but things outside you seem to be spiraling out of control and I guess it's just we have to find a balance and figure out what we can do to help out. But I reconnected with somebody. If you've been with me on this show. Since the beginning I had a roommate at my old house her name was stash under Zia Stash coup sake she. She used to live with me over at the old house. When I started the podcast she was around man and she she she was is there when I got in the bathtub with my jeans? She was there when we were just starting out trying to figure out how to make money packing envelopes with me sending Swag Swag out to people that that donated. There's it was before gofundme as and before the fan. What is it called Patriot which is wake set up a website? You know if you like the show sense the money I'll send you. I'll send you a t shirt and some stickers. Hundreds of economical of. She was there at the beginning. She live with me and the reason I reached out to her is. I wanted to tell her that Luanda had passed because she added relationship with the cat in the sh the cat used to sleep with her and and she loved that cat. And that's how he reconnected and we had. She came over our shoulder the house and she We talked about how our lives have changed. It's been almost a decade. Read is very nice. 'cause she was there at the beginning. She's doing fine and I'm doing fine and it just is and I wasn't tension. There was one of those situations where I think i. I met with her a couple of times to apologize for the same thing. which wasn't anything? I just felt that you know when she moved out. It was weird but But everything's Okay Man Scott a baby. Yeah things change and it was great to see her and we it was. It all happened because I reached out out of respect for her relationship with my fucking cat with Mike my past cat the Fonda. And now we gotta deal with Monkey. Ma'am monkey seems a little out of sorts. I don't know if that's you know. Maybe I guess they grieve. Why wouldn't they but like I sit down? He climbs up to me. He's literally like a baby. He'll climb onto my chest and just tuck into my shoulder every time and he sweeping I think he took a week or two to you know for him to I guess register that his sister was gone. But maybe that's it is that it I don't know whether it's a New Year folks. It's time for turning over a new leaf turning the page. 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So what are you waiting for. Four head to squarespace dot com slash W. T. F. for a free trial and when you're ready to launch us the offer code W T F to save ten percent off your first purchase of a a website or domain that scores base dot com slash W. t.f offer code W T.F. Look Scott Caan is here and He's on Hawaii five. o I that show must have a lot of fans been on a long time. It's ten thirty and on Friday nights on CBS. We talk about a lot OUGHTA stuff and It was nice to meet him and here. We are being Scott talking. Have you done any voiceover work where he had to wear the cans and talking to a Mike. Scott I've auditioned mm for things that they didn't hire me for but so you know cartoon voices for you know I'd like it. Sounds like a good gig. You have pulled that thing in so like you know right in my mouth. Yeah Yeah yeah no I I got like I said I got a thirteen year old dog. That's been my best friend. And she's got this thing called Degenerate allopathy what is that. It's basically the spinal donald disease were back. Legs shut down and they stopped working. But I'M NOT GONNA I'M NOT GONNA do too much. You know when she you know I live in. I got got a lot of steps. Yeah so she can't really make it up and down the steps now so when she when she can't get up I'm GONNA I'm GonNa end it because you know I'm already leaving actually take hager with me everywhere right now. I'm already league at home. And she looks at me like you know I go with you. Yeah we got a lot of steps you live in New York. No no go live in Laurel Canyon not got fifth floor walk up and there's like forty something steps man. So what do you do. You have a plan you. Yeah I'm just GONNA not push it further than it needs to be pushed. You know you're GONNA YOU'RE GONNA put her down. Yeah they got people that come over and do a man. Yeah I mean do you. The sit there with her and do it but you have someone come over. Yeah have some acting take the vet. No no have someone come over here to deal with this before. I mean like I was telling on you before we started. I'm kind of I'm kind of okay with death. What does that mean? Are you really just think you are a combination of both. I think. Part of me I'm you know there's like a party that gets can be cold to it because you've experienced a lot of it and then there's another part of it that's like you know we you know we're all eventually going to wrestle with God at some point and we never win that one right you know so. It's a tragedy right. We're all GONNA die it doesn't it doesn't end well for any no if you wrote. This is in a movie like this. Is the story and your Diet. Every it's always tragic and one thing we know for sure. Yeah and if look if it were me you know I know what I like to do and if I get to a point you know we're all going to be at that place and we either have to be courageous or not. We either get to go all right. There's more for me to do that. That I look forward to right if not. Let's let's be done and see what's what's next or there's nothing next than let's be done so I I mean I try to reconcile that Shit I mean I'm fifty six and I think about it more than I used to trying to be okay with it because it's on some level it's the one thing we all know for sure that we're GONNA die so on a practical level it should be the one thing that we're all relatively comfortable with but it's actually the one thing we're all terrified out of court and by the way I'm not going to be a tough guy I'm scared of I don't want to die like my life right. It's funny when I was younger. I was reckless because I didn't care. Yeah and I didn't care about What would happen to me now that I really liked life right? Of course now Mike well wait a minute. Now I dig it. I want this to go on for a long time turned around but I just I feel like if I get to a point where I can't do the things that I like to do or like with my dog. I see see that she doesn't want she's not happy. She's not herself anymore. Then I'M GONNA go. What what are we doing anymore? You can have someone put you down is that no but I'm not gonNa you know yeah. I don't know what it is so I don't know what I'm GonNa do. I still got a minute man. I just wanted to happen quick. Yeah I mean that's another thing. Look I don't WanNa do eight years of slowly losing my brain rain and getting goofy. I hope I like to. I'd like to go to the gym at ninety two in the morning and get hit by a bus later in the afternoon. That's perfect. Yeah Ninety two. That's that's that's nice. How your genes your good? I think pretty good. Yeah yeah well I mean now. Are you friends with your. Yeah Oh that's good. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah because it's a must be an odd thing. Because he's like one of these kind of stocky Alpha Jews seventies one of the three. I guess right right. Hey enacting world during world in the world in general I you know I. It's funny I I only knew tough Jews up there. There's plenty of Tuft. Yeah yeah so what do you mean like your family my family. You know people that I knew people knew growing up. Yeah but But yes in the acting world. There's like him and who else the tough Jews. Now you've got burned fall. He's Oh John Brennan thought half to full Jew. I think he might be full. I can't remember. I talked to him. Genuine tough kid. Yeah for sure. Yeah Yeah Shiloh boof. He's a he's a half a genuine tough kid he is yeah. I mean by the way I don't I know John John. Yeah and I actually I used to box. He box box with some people that he bought. Yeah so I've heard stories but genuinely tough and I don't know Shire. I've heard stories that he's a tough kid. It seems like I'm not. I think I'm more of an Alpha Pussy really tough but I mean so you you grew up in Hollywood I did and like the whole like Well how did it work out. I can wha- how many siblings. How many kids is your dad? Have like how that outbreak a lot of different wives. I got a sister that I met when I was twelve that you met when you were. How the fuck does that happen? Did you not know about her. I knew you better but it was just something we didn't really talk about. I walked into the house. I was twelve years old. I was the first wife the Yes yes his first wife well. There's also one that suspect that I think think was an old quickly so I don't know if they count that one but how have might have been before that are after. I don't know anyway. Yeah I walked into the House I was twelve years old and she My Dad said Hey this is your sister Mr Meet your sister and she looked at me and the first thing she did was she said he stoned and yeah I was yeah preserved reserved. And did you have trouble. He looked at me. And you know. He said he's been smoking weed. And I said no shortage guy but you know that was my. That's how our relationship started with my sister and then she you pick me up from school the next day and brought it ate the we dropped in my lap and asked me if I knew how to roll a joint Hollywood so so then. So you're the middle. He's a bad to say on your second year. So you're the second wife Iowa on the son of the second right now and then he's got another one another three the three. Yeah I got I got a twenty eight year old brother. I got a twenty three year old brother and I got a nineteen or twenty brother and the twenty and the twenty three or from the same wife so he stuck with that one. How old is he? He'll be eighty next year and is he working. He's a he's he's actually right now he's he. He's he's obsessed with fixing him you know. He's been a maniac most of his life. He rodeo you raised boats votes. He rode motorcycles. He did everything. You're not supposed to do body so he's just done another back surgery but a pretty heavy one always recovering from that. But it's it's it's a slow tough one. So he's he's kind of working through. Go over there. Yeah Yeah Yeah now. So when you're growing up like who like what's the scene. I mean 'cause like I I've talked to a couple of Hollywood. You know people that you know. I'm on the Hollywood people category. What's okay here? It's not matter Hollywood. People like I've talked talk to people whose parents were in the business and they're in the business at bigly junior for example that specific. It's not it's not a judgement thing. It's a specific diffic- type of lifestyle and throughout the duration of this show. You know if there's anything that starts to reveal itself is you know this is a community like any other community of working people. They just have to be movie stars and completely some of them around their minds and spend too much money right but But like growing up quite the what was. What was the house like? who were the people that were around? Who the things that you were the your peers in that in that world? I mean or your Dad's ads. I mean he was kind of the Anti Hollywood dude he he he sort of Didn't speak highly of that world You know he said if you ever turn out to be one of these Hollywood kids so I'm GonNa give you a beaten talk every day so really. Oh Yeah Yeah and who is. He like like who what was examining. Just don't be don't be a brat or I'll kill you basically you know my dad's you know. He's played tough guys but he's genuinely only a tough guy. He is. Yeah toughest guys I've ever met. I remember reading that year. His father was a butcher. Yeah Yeah I mean. This guy was a my grandfather's hands were like One finger was like to your thumbs. No the Guy Yeah. I knew him he passed when I was I. Think seven or eight years. Yeah but I mean he would you know he could lift people out of cars at seventy years old. He can bend quarters with his hands tomorrow. I'm not kidding. He ripped phone books in half. I mean he was like yeah weirdly. Take strong show you he could do. Yeah Yeah Yeah whip but so anyway containing Hollywood thing. Yeah he anything but this business anything but being like one of these Hollywood people with sort of his his his trip so it Mattie now no because I think he respects what I do a little bit. Yeah he's almost proud but I think you you know it's so weird to hear though isn't it 'cause he was like you know he was doing it a a long time. Yeah I mean. He was in Westerns. You've always in that movie with Dean Martin and he crises like. Yeah Dorado John Wayne. Yeah Yeah Yeah. It's wild wild point. He must have loved show business. Yeah Yeah I mean you know you find something you're good at and they tell you give you money to do it. Why not and you and you like it a little bit? Yeah You keep doing. Yeah and none of the siblings. None of the other people went into show business now. They're all creative dudes. The the boys are all creative. My sister not not so much I mean she might be created. But you didn't really go into that at all. But yeah they're all creative kids one way or the other and they working in the industry a little bit the the second brother he's He's part of a theater group and he works in the theater. And you know I mean as you know it's not it's not You don't you don't just get to go raise your and go okay. Here's here's a job you know. Of course yeah. Yeah I mean I was wondering what their aspirations that. There's no butchers or dentists. There's no bushes are definitely definitely not dentists. It that's not gonNA happen though. No I I remember my my little brother. I went over to the house when he was like twelve years old or something and he was doing homework working. Yeah my dad ended up just taking the homework and doing it and his wife started screaming at him. You GotTa let him do his own homework because he's not going to be a rocket. Scientists don't want like these kids fate is. He's decided already. Yeah so but you didn't start out when you were growing up. We didn't weren't always enacting now right no I mean. At first I was into anything but having to go to school you know. Yeah I didn't like school. which is another thing? I don't think school is for everybody. It's probably true right. I mean it shouldn't where are we going to. What was it? Were you in Hollywood Hollywood high or went to Beverly Hills High School. Yeah Yeah I made it to tenth grade that was it. Yeah what's it but I I got I got I got a record deal And then I went on Tour for the beginning of my eleventh grade year. I was on tour for About nine weeks and at the time if you remember Cypress hill pain I was on tour with those guys and I got off that tour and then they said you're GONNA go back to high school. Oh now and I don't think you're performing the SOS you were a rap guy. I was a rap guy man and you were successful rap guy. I kind of knew but I didn't i. I didn't go get the record or anything. You can't get the record it doesn't exist. I don't think really but you. So you're like the white rap guy. Yeah sure. Did you have a partner. Did you did. His name is Allen Mamani goes by the alchemist. He's a big. He's probably one of the most respected hip hop producers in the HIP hop today. Oh really yeah he selassie stuck with it. Yeah so like okay. I was just sort of looking for a way to be different creative and not have to do what everybody else else was doing. Rap Music in the early nineties was not what it is today it was sort of like the punk music of of my. Yeah it wasn't mainstream. It was anti-establishment test Ashman right sure have been Bibo and being about graffiti and being about break dancing singing and DJ. Yeah that kind of thing was was You know now you got seven-year-old girls who live in fancy neighborhoods hip hop is their thing and sure mothers are pumping hip hop wasn't wasn't yeah. No what's going on home when you well you just want to drop out of high school and the old man all right. Why wasn't really close to the old man? Then I was Kinda he get. He got remarried eight and he was doing that life. And I I was with my mom at the time and repaced off no no wasn't part of your life. No Yeah I mean I just you you know. He's always part of my life. Never like a knock you down. You don't say Fuck You my dad De ah today I saw the rebellion was out. Yeah well we didn't have to. You Know I. I don't know we're all friends more than I just respected him. We had a good friendship. Now your mom or anything you want to drop drop out of high school on the go do up. She was yeah she no not at all man. No she's yeah she My mom she's isn't she she's passed a few years ago six six seven years ago now but she was Pretty interesting lady who was not not normal by any means. I mean I was twelve years old. I got kicked out at school and she walked into the principal's office and told the gophers himself. You know what I mean. She's a different kind of late. What did she was an actress too? She she was a she was actually a pretty good actress. Yes she was a an actor and a model and She was hairstylist as well. Oh yeah it just free spirit kind of person. Yes she was she was. I mean I don't know how she was a bad bitch show she was bad ass. You know what I mean. She She didn't really take a ton of shit she was pretty cold old. Like yeah and You know I said you know. I think I'm good at this thing. And she was like we'll do it. Don't do that other thing. You're not good at fucking. Yeah so all right. How does the rap career stop So we went to we got signed to this This label in Europe and so so we went to go do this show in London. I think it was called top of the POPs or some some goofy. Should I duNno right. It's called but we went there. We look out sixteen eighteen years old We went there and when we got there they had done a remix to our song and our our album was about to come out in the states. And when we got did they say this is the remix and this is what you're going to perform on the show right and it was some goofy house. Knicks of our song wasn't even your mix. They like house. Music at the time was big in London and this is what they want. This is how they wanted to pump our record and leered. Yes so we The night before the We we're getting per diem. Am every day so we decided we gotta keep getting per diem while we're here so we collected all the per diem. Yeah and then on The morning we were supposed to leave and do the rehearsals and do the show. We took a flight to Amsterdam where I never told anybody. You know the the label dropped us and then they call it our label in Back in the states. Which is Tommy boy records at the time and I think that that pissed them off too so then they ended up dropping us and not releasing the record? That's my story I mean. Maybe it's because they found out that the record they didn't like it as much but it's a much better story that they dropped us because we did something you know you ran off with the per diem Wales on TV which we did do yeah. Dan was fine right very fun at seventeen years his old Amsterdam staying in youth hostels for two weeks and you bailed on the TV show. They didn't even say anything now at D.. So you have. Do you have the record most of the songs that we did. Yeah yeah that's that's kind of disappointing that to put your fucking record out. Yeah but then you know look I found something else the I like to do creative with the acting. Yeah Yeah Yeah the acting when we when did you first start doing that We were actually doing a show at the Santa Monica Civic Nick Center and there was a director. What was your rap? Name skills okay skills. Yeah skills in the alchemist skill. No he was actually called mud foot at the time skills in mud foot Okay Yeah if you're looking at you're looking at me like you're kind of making fun of me now. What do you mean why me as much as you are making fun of myself? Yeah Okay Ego. When you're sixteen is amazing you know what I mean I know I? I'm not making funny but it so you can make fun of me. Always it's nice. I mean it's it's I think it's it's a little you can get a little laugh. Yeah why not. I hope everybody's laughing their ass off you know shit Um uh-huh so you're doing a show on saying anyway. Launched edit this or do we just talk and then they got you know older. I get the more self conscious I really happening. I think so I think I get more You know when you're younger you WANNA be a kind of WAGGA. Yeah and then you realize that. That's all bullshit. And then you you get Today you say the wrong you put your foot in your mouth today. Everybody knows about it every we have you done anything anything hateful okay. Good and you'll stop me if I do know you know but I but I appreciate that it is Kinda weird where you know when you have the sort of life lessons especially if you've been an asshole or you've been arrogant where you've left some wreckage you get to a point in your life where you're like. What was Zeynep doing that? Also today like I said you say the wrong thing. And everybody's mad. I think everybody knows is about. I think more I if you do the wrong thing. That's worse to saying the wrong thing. It's not like you're going to drop the N.. Word or something right now. No no yeah so so. I don't know what's appropriate. What's not appropriate anymore not really not really Giovanni have you ever gotten there? No no but I don't know him. I've interviewed him. Yeah yeah very good guy. Yeah he's a good guy intense guy. Good actor very very actor. You have a long time. I did. I've done a couple of movies with them which ones I did. Boiler Room with him or did gone in sixty seconds with him. Oh and I directed a movie that he was called the dog problem. The dog problem. I saw that credit wake that was how many of you directed to two and a half two and a half movies. You've directed in the middle of one. Now no no no I I wrote wrote a movie called mercy that my good friend Patrick directed but we sort of wrote and directed it together. I mean he's the director of the writer but we got we worked on it. He directed I shouldn't into that. Let's come around to that. You're in Santa Monica doing the gate long story short. Yeah this director who was making this movie called the boy called hate About this young uh hoodlum who steals a motorcycle and kills people and he he came to my show and got in touch with me somehow and said. Would you come auditioned for this. And I said no and then when I read it I thought I'd like to ride a motorcycle and then You right at the time. Did I ride motorcycles. Yeah Yeah who ride. Motorcycles Maldive I don't anymore I have a five year old daughter and my my my Gal said when the when she got pregnant. We never ride a motorcycle. Ever I said fine so I haven't ridden a motorcycle five years because she's going to die in the motorcycle that was I think that's what she was going. And it's it's good because he is honored that yeah I I still have a bike but it just sits it's there it's not calling lamb. It does sometimes but I've been here a couple times and yeah I it's fucking scary. Buddy Deane like he got someone A car just random off the road and he went down on the highway and fuck and like got me at skinned up pretty good but he let's look I mean skinned up. Pretty good as you made it. Yeah it's crazy and he didn't ride for awhile because they got by now but he was a lifelong biking. I I think I just like looking cool anyway. So I'm fine with it being gone. I think I never wrote him. Because my dad was an orthopedic surgeon and like he dragged me to the hospital when I was in high school and showed. Okay I got this sort of scared straight shit right. I could've could've used you heard a lot of orthopedic surgeons in my life even taking the hospitals. What did he do knees elbows? Sure he was in the guy back. He didn't needs Backs hips he was full on his partner. DID HANDS HE GETS set. Most bones did some sports Medicine as well. Yeah real deal. I guess I got a yeah I've had a bunch of surgeries. Oh yeah from what from all different stupid stuff. ACL's torn by says broken collar bones from white fallen off. Shit I did I can cars no no. I don't a lot of Brazilian Jujitsu Tokyo's fight on the street. Yeah I like not to have you when I was a kid all the time. I really got into them. Yeah but not as an adult. I think I've been to fights and that's in twenty years right. Yeah Yeah. It's not my impulse to fight him more. I don't go associated. Yeah I get it. Yeah and your smart. I guess some guys. Just don't even think twice. Well I mean you know when you're younger it's like proven stuff but no I hope I know I don't want to feel like I should have been in one one fight we can when we're done with this. We'll go down. I think that don't have a chance here. Everybody's gotTa Chan. Is that true. Yes you learn you. Absolutely it's hit somebody squaring the go to sleep so you could get one three absolutely provoking. You're absolutely not. I don't WanNa fight you at all see Z.. Do this movie at boycott. Hey Yeah so anyway I just when I did I hear sort of realized that this is a good world for me. I didn't know if I wanted to write direct move the lights bringing food but wherever these group of Weirdos was into this trip and that was the first time you've been on a set like that I mean I guess you know my dad. Dad didn't work a ton when I was growing up a lot of time. Off for whatever reason but I didn't really view it when I was a kid has something to do you like okay. This is this man's job but yeah when I was there a part of it I felt like okay. This is my my group of people. Oh yeah there's so many different kinds of people in one place doing different Shit. But it's all it's all like you know this creative energy going towards this one thing. Yeah sounds pretentious but no it's true. It's not pretentious. It's a it's a business and you know when you get on. He says if you if you say something's pretentious than it takes away pretentious right. No I think that like it's weird when there's the thing that we do when you're involved in show business where you know you sort especially if you got more of a kind of a street smart rugged sensibility where you kinda trivialize it. But it's it's fucking real business and people work hard and there's all kinds of people involved in one thing. Yeah working towards this one thing. It's kind of amazing you get on the set and you're like there's like one hundred people that I don't know what they're fucking doing but yet doing real jobs right you know. They founded the fucking person. That's figuring out how to hide your Mica so when you get that bug do you. Do you take acting class. I did I went to this This place called playhouse West is a Oh yeah theater company company in the Jeff Goldblum and Robert Carnegie. That's their place. Yeah but it was a really cool place because it was a part of it was an acting school but then the other part becomes the theater company so after a a couple of years after you learn how to act whatever the hell that means. Yeah then you know you craft of Agra down then there's the next level of it which which is like you become part of the theater group now you're putting a plays all the time and people are working on plays writing plays acting directing in place. You have access to these three theaters right and you on and off for the last twenty years. I've been going back there and putting up plays So it's this great little thing to be a part of anyway. That's what I did and go bomb. Like one of the guys guys who created. He started where he's him in Robert Carnegie Robber Carnegie's I don't know that guy he's one. He's like Sandy. Meisner protege really yeah and and And and do they both teach at the place. I don't Yeah Robert Still teaches there But I don't believe Jeff does anymore. Did he used to a lot. Yeah and did you take what Jeff No with Robert I worked with Jeff a bunch. Yeah you know over the years. He's interesting actor. He's one of my favorites. Yeah he's really seems to be the real deal. What makes assume your favorite like what is it about the way he does it? Just the way the Worke Ray. Yeah but he's he's. I've never met anybody who is more I. I mean in life and when he acts. Who's more attuned with? What's going on with the other person? He's couldn't be more in the moment you know. Yeah Yeah Yeah. And there's something like really interesting inhuman about it's like he's interested in everything and he's interested in that's to me. The best actors are the ones to pay the closest attention. So that's why true compulsive about he's he's he's studying you always and that's you know that's to me acting as you you can plan all the stuff you're GonNa do can just pay attention to what the other guys do one or the other people are doing. And that's what makes people more interesting if they're interesting to begin with and he's very interesting. So yeah he's Mike you know he's been around forever to doing little parts and little things. He's very good man. He's sweet guy too. Yeah he's an acting lesson just because when when he's when you're talking to him he's like Oh really. Yeah and yeah. He's trying to get into your body right now. He wants to work off of it and the other guy was mostly Meisner ish stuff like yeah he studied was Sandy Meisner. So yeah repetitions and did you find that helpful. I mean I still yeah I did. What was it seen studies and you get casting productions at the place and that kind of stuff? The production ended up pretty much. Being what the students did. Peop- students would ride. And then you also you know back in the day back in the day said that but at that time you go get rights shape more as time goes You get rights to do you call Sam French at the rights to do play the dramas producing San French produce. It was that combination of you know people writing people directors would come to the to the school and they would end up directing plays writers would study. I think every good director writer acting a little bit. Yeah because I think the first time I saw you and like notice to you I think was in that There was the one with Jennifer Aniston. Where you play the trainer? Yeah but it was great though like I remember because I didn't know you were and who's that guy and then when I found out your McDonnell. Yeah that makes sense. What makes because if I look look at you you kind of remind me of your man right? Is that right to say. I mean I'm not a handsome guy but there's a moment where my guys it made sense to me. I thought it was douchebag but I thought it was you know he had a full full life inside. Sure that guy thank you. I'll take it and then like when I start to notice you in the All the oceans movies. I don't have to notice me. I mean you know I think like I why would I talk to you. I wasn't yeah good point but But this stuff that you in case you do in those movies very funny to me. Think it's a funny dynamic kids like a comedy team. Thank you guys. Have a thing that kind of built over the three movies. He's where you kinda gotta stick together. Yeah all you're going to do with. Casey is just pay attention to him. He's so interesting and really yeah I think so so I just sort of showed up and just paid attention to AKC reacted to basically. That's it. That's it no homework. No Hawkins Engine Casey here so this goes on like you know. How do you can do you? You find that you're challenging yourself as an actor absolutely not. I've been you know on the movie yet. But it's been a minute I've been on a procedural show for ten years which is longtime dude. Yeah and it's it's listen. I'm no complaints man. I mean you know. I'm lucky to have A. How long are you in in Hawaii? Every year About six days of every month was a hell goes. Yeah just go and I'll do a couple of episodes I don't do all of the episodes anymore okay and then And then you know come off so they don't so they shoot a lot of it just exteriors in Hawaii. All of its in Hawaii like I said though who. I'm just not in all of them. Yeah you were in all of them no in the beginning for how many years two or three years. Yeah Yeah. So that's great so you making money in your sleep deep now. Yeah Yeah. It's good but to answer your question. Am I doing things that I'm really right You know excited about her. What did you ask? What was the challenge in your challenge? No Oh for sure. Oh the Do you want to of course. Yeah Yeah I mean I think that's a guy thing man I mean like how often you know. I'm at the beginning though in web. But you seem like you're always in good stuff and you seem like you're an stuff that you're should be excited about. That are different for me like you know. I didn't like now like my opportunity. Started to happen when I was in my forties so I have a sort of type you know and I've I've done a few movies. Not many and and yeah I can say no but I don't see you I haven't seen you do a ton of stuff again. This is a weird thing to say but I don't see you doing stuff for the paycheck. No I don't I didn't I never set out to do that with acting. Right was never it was never. Do you do anything just for a paycheck. No no not. If it doesn't like that's a pretty amazing. The closest I get to that really is like Like I'm going to go up my iva comedy special social dropping in March and I've got this hour that took me a couple of years to put together and once the comedy specials on sort of dead in the water right so oh I just added like six or seven dates to go make a little money because I can you know but it's me doing but it's something that you've dug deep for my shit. Yeah so what I mean so anyway. That's a that's a right. I never had to do acting because they needed money. Yeah which is a different game it is. Yes because you gotta make compromise. Yeah now did you find that you were being typecast. You mean as a result of why I ended up you know. Do you play the same guy a lot I think I I don't know I don't know maybe when I was younger but Dan you know he's not I thought Gee uh-huh Jockey Dude no no I guess not I guess I my Jockey Dude I duNno I dunno you. Tell me I'll take it. You typecast me. I I just met you know you do the Brazilian whatever resilient you know man you should try it. I I should try something you oh you don't. You're not into any kind of I. I will run up the hill. That's great man. I do exercise and I've worked out and stuff competitive thing and I don't WanNa be crying on a mat notice. Ah I gotTA I know. I'm competitive but I I don't I don't like losing. Yeah I don't like losing you know but you you know how to deal with it because you know you've probably played a lot of shit. Yeah I guess everything Losing personally I get it but you gotta do it Komo and you got to do all that stuff we gotta do. I don't I don't know what you gotTa do. I'm fifty six. What do you do fifty six to get into game? What you WANNA start playing basketball? I play basketball. I don't know I'm just saying stuff. That's difficult hard. It's like. We got to push everything. If you just sitting around. No no I push myself up the hill start running up. It's getting down security. Everyone's different if I didn't have exercising. Ju Jitsu I'd have probably have to take going by go. Forty five minutes up straight up and then I run down. It's like an hour and a half and I hadn't done it in a couple of weeks. I did it today. It was great. Yeah I mean look. You can't have a panic attack while exercising. No that's just a heart attack. That's that's true but you mistake for a panic attack. Yeah yeah yea this is just a panic. Yeah that's that's better if I drop on the health that's good. Yeah happens quickly. Yeah so but I got the the big book of photographs. It's a beautiful book. Thank you so you do that kind of stuff. And also you mentioned like writing and directing now when you do like so. You're right place I do over and a lot of plays like four length Kinda. Yeah Yeah Yeah I was gonNA bring you some. I thought that that would be silly if I would have time to read them but it would have just been uh-huh like giving me French Samuel French book. Yeah and saying here. Let's talk about this. So when did you start writing the place Right about I I don't know ninety eight ninety seven ninety eight because we were having trouble getting the rights to do the place that we wanted to do at the work house. Yeah so I would go home and write scenes and then I would bring the scenes in for different actors and then we'd work on them and then Robert Carnegie was there and he would say keep doing this. Don't stop doing this. And then scenes turned into one turned into full length. Plays plays and then I just I. Just that's where it started and then I just really got into writing. And and what do they produced. Yeah Yeah Yeah I've had. I've had a lot of produce place I that's how I mean. That's how they get published. You got to get them produced and then reviewed and then the big way have you had big openings in New York and stuff. I am sorry. I don't know you don't have to know this. I wish I had no no don't want this could've brought them for. You could read them earlier but you know I. Yeah I You know when you're younger you ever noticed you talk to young people and they wanna tell you all about all the stuff that they're doing I get the less I want to talk about. Anything push what I'm doing. Yes you know. I CAN'T STAND IT I. I don't even want to be on social networking forms. I'm not has feel I mean I don't know the difference so you know I mean I'll creep out on instagram to look into some fake account. Just Oh yeah I don't have you know not like posting pictures of my child and yeah I think new values or whatever I I'll do mushy I've done in my shoes and the cats have done but listen. I'm not knocking. I know but it's like draining. It's like a whole other jobs. Men I mean how many every day I go wait. The today's over you wanted me to also post things and worry about how people respond. That's another thing I don't Wanna I don't WanNa do the wrong thing as much as I don't give a shit what people think of them wanting to be hated either. Yeah you're nervous about that or someone makes a comment. And then I'm like getting into a beef with somebody over the thing that'll happen voided mental hygiene probably and maybe I'm just at the I. Guess if you're young creative today you have to be a part of that. That's what they tell you right. I mean it's a very competitive game. You know what I mean branding machine. Yeah maybe it's true. I don't know but I see a lot of people just like you know. These people are going four five ten times a day. What else are they doing? I look at it and Mike. What's the matter with? Yeah what am I looking at for you ever. Because it's interesting to look at some time so the place because I'm curious about plays actually because a AH theater 'cause I become friends with Tracy Letts Who's WHO's a great player? Yeah and the whole process of writing especially when they're a little abstract is sort of interesting into me so how'd you learn to do it just by reading them and just like you know like I said at the plows worked on we. uh-huh at the school. You weren't really supposed to grab stuff from movies. We were always going after. Yeah good plays 'cause you know on the stage and that three favors birth Shanley David Rabe. Oh yeah rage. Good though Great Shanley what about Shanley. I Dunno Shanley one one of my favorite writers ever. What was his big ways? I'm Italian American Reconciliation Danny and the deep blue sea The Dreamer examines is pillow. Someone just mentioned mentioned this guy to meet today or yesterday women Manhattan Cbo Ryan wrote doubt. He wrote Jehovah's Volcano who. Yeah he wrote MOONSTRUCK INSTRUC- I. I feel like the stupid. Why why why because like? I know that I enjoy theater. If it's good theater and I don't go to it enough I don't seek it out when I do who I find it very moving and unlike anything else. Yeah and I'm always sort of fascinated with it because I don't know how they I don't know how the evolve can be very unusual to me. Sure but as an actor actor. I think that that's the the experience as an actor that yeah that's the one kind of going for the play. Yeah because you get to kind of live it from the beginning to the end and that's the thing and and some of it gets weird can't get weird. Yeah and do you write weird place. I don't know if they're weird. Yeah no my sleep about relationships. You know what's a setting. What's your first big play the first ever wrote the published was called two wrongs. Yeah it's about A man and woman both see the same therapist and the therapist I Tries to set them up which is nothing. Something therapist shouldn't do right. They actually fall in love and then the therapist actually falls in love with the woman as well. Yeah and so. Then the therapist purpose breaks them up and then it explodes. Yeah because he falls in love with her so then he tries to pull them apart and just the idea was to be. I'm into therapists. Purpose and therapy. I think the therapists are interesting. People and I always wondered like today have lives too you know therapists have feelings or you know what I mean. Of course. Of course they do right but as a someone who goes to therapy you just imagine that they're perfect right because they have all the answers. They're smarter than everybody. They know what's going on you. Go Yeah I I'm a fan. Fanta therapy yeah yeah. Did you have a therapist. That sort of inspired that where you're sorta wake the fuck up. There's there's there's a reference to therapists and almost everything I've ever written. Yeah so yeah. So were they helpful. You even the ones that aren't are helpful you know everybody's either here or cautionary tale. Alright I guess or maybe just a a bore and wasted time. That's a cautionary tale. Guess isn't it. I mean your family your friend everybody you either you know either. Look at them and go. I want to do that or I never WanNa do worth status. Quo's at a cautionary tale kind. Yeah I don't WanNa be boring. Yeah I don't want to be not interesting because I've been to therapist. Therapist just started going recently again and and it's it's okay. You know I used to joke about it like when you go back therapy. And if you're in your fifties or your late forties and you don't you don't waste any time you can kind of walk any like all right look. Let's get into it. Yeah why we can't fuck right and I know listen. Knowing knowing what's fucked is is really helpful. I know for sure you know no doubt you know so. I guess there's all these different avenues now with the therapy in terms of like what is his. PTSD and what isn't right from. Because if you everything really right right so if you expand the definition of that you know what what how how much of your problems or whatever your shortcomings are whatever. your your emotional. Obstacles are are based on me maybe emotional trauma that you never never even recognized. This has to be right. Yeah it's just a reframing of the same shit right time right yeah Mommy Daddy would you do it over and over and over and over again guard. I understand stand this a little bit. And that's it right or you take pills. And he just never. I never was always always adverse to pill me too. Yeah I tried them. Yeah yeah I I I mean you mean. Drugs are like yeah. I mean listen. I don't want to down talk. Some people need You know look chemical imbalance or whatever else the truth of the matter is is. We're all All that stuff comes has to come from an right. Yeah there's some people are just born goofy you know right but For the most part I'd say ninety five percent of it is is how we raise our childhood or what screw to supplement a younger. You know it's weird though because as you say like you had a kid and you know you say that there's a party get older and you you're not you don't WanNa be is you know cocky or whatever you know what I mean that the sometimes age just Kinda like the same things aren't as important as they used to sure which is fucking Gift right but then you come up against for me as a guy an older guy. I'm not married and I have been married twice. I've got no kids and there's a reason for that right. I don't don't want kids great. Yeah but I don't know why did you want a kid. I feel like I always wanted a kid so the kid was on purpose. Well yeah pretty much. Yeah Yeah Yeah yeah no I I wanted a kid. I don't know why I wanted a kid I think it's just in my DNA. To WanNA kid. I think it's supposed to be in all all of our. DNA sure on a on premise. Level sure sure but then listen people the decide look at if you can be Happy he and you don't need that. Yeah then then yeah they have your yeah that's a that's a whole other thing to happiness. Happy happy relative term. I mean yes also but I mean if you if you can get through life and in realize. I'm glad I didn't do that. Yeah but I mean you know look I mean what are we here for right. I guess I mean I'm I'm I'm not. I'm not saying it's bad or good. I'm not I'm not either saying I'm just realizing as I get older that like you start to realize it's a finite yes we're back to death you know it's like what is it because he's been a lot of time repeating yourself or doing stupid shit or whatever it is is it that that are your patterns and then one day. You're sort of like I got to make some different choices race right if we're not constantly trying to be better constantly trying. Yeah fix the shit that we've done over and over and over again we're not living right right but also like learning to accept certain things as well right. There's some things like well. This is just the way it is. Yeah Yeah Yeah you know and I got an instead of beat the shit out of myself right sure. Sure sure yeah you can you can fix. What have what have you had success present fixing? That's a pretty big general but in your mind everything man. Ah goofy past is with relationships are how my mother my father and you know being with the woman for ten twelve years in going. Oh this is the way to do it or negating or getting through things right Using different tools that I didn't use before you understanding things or not having to be right. That's a big one right. I mean or able. I Dunno ordinary seeing the big picture of like wait if I could you know make it to the end and be you know content and be with this pro. I mean. Look when you're young. It's about fun right I I guess well what's for me. We all wanted to do was have fun and as I get older. I'm like okay. So you trade a little bit of fun for more meaning all right as you grow older. It's like all right. Let's try to make things Deeper deeper and more meaningful relationships or friendships. Or whatever. You know you're young or your friend. Does something stupid. And you're like I just want to punch him in the mouth and as you get older you guard. How can I helped my friend not being idiot and so I don't want to punch him in the mouth right but when you're younger heads and go fuck you but it's Santa? We could do a whole three hours on what you know when you can be fixed. And what did curious to me in the sense. That like what I do know for sure. He's a lot a lot less. There's a what A lot of the things. I thought were very important. Not I agree and and that gives you a certain amount of leeway. Yeah you know what I mean a little freedom freedom and it just falls away naturally. Yeah which is a fucking gift tomorrow and now like Ya demeaning also like. I'm not that I wasn't a guy that just wanted to have fun now. I'm getting to that point but yeah for I'm fifty six juncture. where I'm like? Well what do I want to do in my life I my my the whole life was fucking struggled to get where I am and then like some somehow or another. The miracle of success happen right and now. I'm sort of like well. I don't know what I WANNA do this right now. Just bought this House and I love it bows vows living in a shack right so I don't know what what do you do now. I work down. Stop I mean right. Keep doing what you're doing when you write. Plays like the like the therapy play. Do you find. Do you find that you resolving things like. Do you find through the writing process that you you're able to enact in resolving and see things differently is that part of the experience no Maybe subconsciously right. It's got you know I mean you know. What did the other subjects you into doing? It's usually about relationships. It's usually about trying to figure that out. Yeah I mean. We're a communal species Russia. We're supposed to be with other people people and that's what I hear. Yeah I mean I tend to like once I get there but yeah getting there is difficult so anything that anything worth digging into his difficult and and we just do the things that are easy. That's boring they're also going to end up being eighty something or ninety something shit. What did I do you know? It's difficult to learn how to play the Qatar. I mean so you got guitars that yeah yeah but that's not easy to do. You could go your whole life and go. I never I never dug deep into that and tried it. I mean I- MARTIAL-ARTS IT'S A. It's a hard thing you get beat up and you get the broken bit but you're you're you you you you accomplished it anyway. Going back to the question I think on on a subconscious level when you're writing something or Acting in some taking a photograph autograph or whatever it is of course. There's a part of that that's You know therapeutic right at the end of the day. If you're a creative person am I still. Don't I don't WanNa do when I grow up. You know what I mean to yeah. I'm still searching for what's going to be the thing that I'm happy that I when I'm dead. I O that exists and to me see that's not. I haven't I certainly haven't done that yet. IT'S NOT HAWAII FIVE O. It's definitely you know. But you're right man it's not and look. I'm lucky enough to do something. Anthony I like enough to get get paid to do. Yeah Man but what seems to me that like the that that is a nice thing to have that Gig because it does afford you a certain amount of freedom to do other things and do things you WanNa do. Yeah well you just start doing. The photographs. Were were directed. My first movie and the documents are no no. This movie called Dallas Three Sixty to the Jeff. Goldblum is actually. I gotTa Watch that movie. How they do? It's okay. I mean it went to festivals had been a movie Did all right but The cinematographer this Guy Philpott met He was a great photographer. And he sort took me through Film Viagra fee school. While in that movie and I just got obsessed with it but again that was just something me trying I mean. I don't consider myself a photographer. I got really into taking pictures for ten years and we still do not really. Oh that was it. I mean I did. You know I don't know man like I said I'm trying to you know you're not bumming me out. I'm like I said I'm still trying to figure out what I can be when you're younger you do things kind of you. You WanNa get pat on the back a little bit. You know you want people go. I really liked that and as you get older. You're like I'm not so interested in that I want to do it. Yeah and then you go. I want to say something something. I want people to understand this and go all right. I dig this and I'm and I'm with you and thank you for that and then you go past that stage and you're like just want to do something that I like to do and I I feel like I'm being creative. Don't you find though like look man like I'm starting to feel that way about acting. It's something I always wanted to try like. I always had it in a good one. Thanks yeah but like there's there's there's a lot of sitting around yeah true and you know it's What's the saying they don't pay you to To Act if they don't pay you a a way to pay like it and I wanted to challenge myself and I'm doing a role where I gotta you know I'd be a little different than who I am coming up next week and I'm nervous about it but whatever but I I don't like I'm glad I'm getting these opportunities to try it but like I don't know if it's my life and stand up I've been doing my whole life but oddly what's happening to me now is like is there a time time where it's okay to be like nothing. I'm done doing things. Yeah man if you as long as you got like you said you're not living in a shack anymore with the thing is right. That's true but like I'm just I guess. My point is no matter what you do what you you think in your mind. I'm going to do something that's GonNa be the thing that I'm GonNa be proud to lead or whatever all that stuff drifts you know fades man Dan. What do you mean I mean it's like what is the relative importance of fucking anything that anyone's accomplished eventually? After five years three years it's gone. It's behind you doesn't matter but if you're a creative your I mean I hate to use the word artists artists. Yeah and you get to a point where you don't WanNa do it anymore. Then you're probably ready to die. I guess like my cat gonNA crawl under the bed yamen. I mean she's like I don't do the things I used to do anymore. I'm not you know my dog doesn't run up the steps and catch ball Paul Anymore. Jump up and catch a Frisbee jump up anymore. You think she's happy and no one hundred three hundred years ago. We were travelling and the dog couldn't make it across the river. We see a dog Komo dominated and head with a rock. It's a wrap on the dog. Names have good lives now. They did that with people even insurance grandma couldn't make it across the rid. Ira Yeah Grandma. It's been fun. Yeah gotta go. He moved yeah. We can't miss this winter. I think people still do that. They just put them at home so I don't want to a home. No Yeah I hear someone say change the diaper. I'm going to look for a shot of heroin or they wanna do it now. I give him. You're saying but again you know I say oh. I want to do something that I'm proud of and go okay. I did that. I hope that when I do do that thing I immediately want to move onto the next thing right or other was was. You know what's wife or it's you know you're old and you just want to hang out with your Gal and kids if you have kids or get a new cat. I'm just sitting read sitting read. Well no good no. How many plays have you written twenty? Yeah and how many have been published. Well I have Four plays full length plays published through dramatists. You know three yeah and then I have a collection of plays in that collection. There's about fifteen plays and those were all the plays that were like back published after I had gotten unpublished. And that's all the stuff that I did. At playhouse West that never had a bigger production than at playhouse. And these are things that get done. You get residuals from Kasur six dollars here. Yeah yeah have have you seen productions of your plays done that you've walked upon now never Know and the do you want to do your place. I I mean my I would love to do a play in New York but I go over. You know. It's like a gotomeeting and they all that's cute you write plays you know. They don't take it seriously why I don't know maybe because I'm on Hawaii five O or I don't know no I don't know I don't know maybe I haven't written anything good enough yet for for that. I mean it's a it's a tough world to get into. I've never acted in a play. I've been on stage acting acting in. La For twenty something years. I've never done anything in New York on Broadway off Broadway off off off tried. Yeah and I mean not vigorously vigorously. Yeah but that seems to be like if you've written like twenty so that seems to be one of the things that has lasted the longest in terms of what you like to do. Sure you're being prolific. Doesn't mean that you're good at it right. No Yeah I of course. Not but you like doing it. Yeah so what about fatherhood. How's that going? I dig it man I dig. Get my daughter's a a a an amazing smart Sharp beautiful human being old. She's five I mean. Everybody thinks about their kid right genius genius genius lifted. Yeah yeah she You know man. There's there's there's a few things in life that make all the bullshit go away and she's one of them. You know what I mean. It's great but that's real like and you're in you live with the mother I do. Yeah I can't Ah I don't have one but I know that it does something to you. Yeah man it's a lot of things to change you really do. What did you wear nervous going into it did you? Were you concerned. Yes concerned you know like I said everything's either heroes Taylor cautionary tale. So I don't everything I do with my daughter aside from just watching her and enjoying her is I hope. I don't fuck this up. I hope you know my my friend once told me I told those are always having a daughter. She has two kids and she had a rough childhood. Yeah I said I'm just worried I'm having a daughter and I. What do I know from raising girl I could raise? A guy is slapped him around and exactly or my dad did the opposite of the bad and she said you know all you have due for a girl that if you don't want her to be a stripper is just love. Her great perfect. I can do that now. Is this your how many make your kids is your father have to just my daughter and then my sister has a son if you like it. Yeah he does. Yeah Yeah they turned into into something else that old man sometimes when they have the grandkids. He's the same no really with their. Yeah well I think because sometimes they can in a good good way they can show up better because the kid leaves. That's the idea right right. You know my my girl. The other day was talking about you know talking about her grandparents. Were so good with her. Why are the key? Why can't their parents is good? Because when you're a parent US figuring the shit out by the time you're a grandparent you go. I know just what to do. And then when it gets a little goofy I can go home where they can send and the kid away right and that's back to death man that's like Same thing with death like you know. We're young we lose our great grandparents and then we lose our grandparents. It's and then you lose friends along the way and then by the time your parents go you should be prepared and able to deal with death and able to kind of understand that just you know what this cat. My parents are still around. Yeah grandparents are gone. But what's the bummer. Right the mid the missing. It knows no bummer. It's just like I it really. It's IT'S SORTA like breaking up with somebody in the same in the same. You don't WanNa do it. It's going to be paying funny. You say that because every girl that I couldn't break up with I kind of have this sick feeling like well. If they just die. I'd be okay right because you don't WanNa you don't WanNa do it. Well no I also break up. I just don't want them to if they're gonNA have to decide whether I could have worked acted out or been better. Yeah well I know but yeah I get all right. Yes but it's just like these things where like I broke up with somebody not too long ago. It's harrowing to to sort of come to the moment where like I'm doing right. And it's it's it's the worst thing ever it's heavy. Yeah not unlike you. I think you know putting a cactus. Just we've sold more final but approaching it and saying like all right. Let's do it right. You're you're you're not a religious guy you know not at all we brought up with any I mean now my dad was like a you know like just. They're tending to be religious Jew. My mother was a he probably was brought right up with it and then got away from it. Don't even know how much it was real for him. Yeah but And my mom was born Catholic and then was born again Christian will so she was deceased. Ah She was at when she threw the end. Yes very much so really here were you. And how would you in. That happened when she started that. Yeah fifteen in sixteen off. She saw it happen. Yeah strange strange. MUST have pains not pay man. Look whatever whatever whatever floats your biscuit yeah I get it but that's one of the transitions like what just happened. If you're happy if it makes you happy you know people that go after. Yeah did you have. Did you bring the church and stuff stuff. I mean she would say that we before my mom use interesting lady. I used to get into trouble when I was younger. You know arrested and Shit arrested fights. Yeah late nights. Whatever going to Cali would clubs and I'm fifteen sixteen years old? And you know she. She wasn't kind of mother that would say don't go. She would just say. Let me let me pray for are you put put hands on you and Jesus keep you safe but before that though you were fourteen. She wasn't doing that right. No no there. You mean praying. Yeah I mean like you know I mean it's a big shift from like you. Whatever she was before she was born again? And then you know how did it happen. I mean that's all I mean. There's there's a lot of you know different That's that's a long story. Oh Yeah Yeah I mean I mean you over here. I'll just make it simple ever know any born again Christians. That didn't do a bunch of crazy ship before they became sure. Yeah so they're all kind of going oof maybe let me try to fix the lost a little bit lost and if that fixes them and it does good for you I mean I guarantee you that when she passed. That's what made her okay with passing. Yeah you know when it was like hey you wanNA fight. And she was like no. I'm good I Jesus. Can we can judge judge but we could also so she pushed it. Yeah out there. And she got too far out there and then she need. She needs to get back that sure. Yeah yeah which is better than people. That didn't come back right. Yes do you. Do you talk about That kind of stuff on the. What do you on this show? Yeah sure religions. Well yeah recently. I've gotten a lot like I talked to Paul. Houser the guys in the No. Yeah I just see. I don't know he looks familiar face on US billboard everywhere. He's very good. Yeah Yeah I talked to him. We we got some got into some. Jesus he's so he's into Jesus. He grew up with Jesus. His father was a minister. Okay Lutheran Administer. Yeah but he kept the Jesus heated. Yeah but it's it's sort of has yet. Yeah I mean some people get away from it again. Whatever whatever you know I give it but like there's something kind of fascinating when somebody snaps into it? He has dramatic saved as a dramatic right like I talked about that onstage. Say for me to find God at this point in my life the real the wheels would really have to come to me too man. I don't know it's weird. That's that's what does that tell tell you I mean why. I'm just curious about when when your mother changes into the born again. I mean AH fifteen and you're out of control yeah. It was good for me because she was like. I'm I'm I have no worries. I'm not worried about you going out. And I'm I'm not worried about that are coming by here doing hoodlum stuff because we're all taken care of so for me as a kid. I all right great. Yeah nothing can hurt you. But there's no disciplined after that I and I haven't had discipline since I was twelve so but so it was just sort of like well. Jesus forgive forgive you and did you. Did you not even about forgive you. You're safe you're protected but you didn't try me. I was hanging out with animals. You know who's just gotten out of prison isn't that escaped life sentences because they were underage. She's like you're fine. Where'd you meet those guys? Don't know man you know I don't know it's like an exciting reading time I mean yeah but I mean I always you know my dad was again like he was tough. Dude from Queens. Yeah so for me I was constantly trying to to be as tough as you know. That's what I had to live up to right like the worst humans. I could surround myself with the more legitimate. I was as a a person when I was young. And getting validation from him. I don't even use paying attention to that part of it but I definitely was. You know you're trying to just. Ah Yeah. He hung out. Here's his friends. Were like Israeli drug dealers and mobsters and shit. I'm like I know a guy who stabbed someone I'm GonNa hang out with him. That was it. Yeah and and so what did it take for you to get out from under that. I guess No I mean look going on this thing. The first thing we talk about that you know no no no I I know going into talking. ANYBODY WANNA go. What's it like having Dudas dudas props I'll be under it forever right? No no no I mean just wha what did you take for you to realize that you were going to be defined by different things things. Oh that's that has nothing. That's that's you talk about. Did what have you fixed over the years. Here's what was your moment where you I gotta get this murderer out of my sure. Sure listen I still talk to the murder I mean I I have boundaries and you have to prove older I get. I'm trying to impress less and less. You know what I mean right right you you got some self acceptance. Yeah and I I know what I want. I don't want any trouble man I want to hang out with my my my wife and I want to exercise and you know hang out with my kid and and do some good creative because like whether like see I like I only know your father for movies and for my whatever. I'm projecting onto the guy you know like I was in but but like you know I i. I knew that he was relatively tough to you. I don't know all those things and it's no different than any other fucking crazy. Father that a male child is trying to get it. Just sort of live up to you know what I mean sure. It's just a little more E. I k.. When you tell me I victor James Gone right right right different? You can picture me trying to live up to my crazy mother and father. 'cause I don't know right you know I mean I was. I was going to try to be a doctor. Ah Good thing happened. No He's out of his mind and other ways but he never hung out with Jewish mobsters and they weren't Jewish mobsters yoga got the two Jewish drug dealer army. Whatever yeah we I met you remember? I met you. Yeah logo and they have. Have I go there because they have A. They have a lower here allow which is a Yemenite dish that they only make on the weekends. Only reason I know that is because drug dealer friend to his his wife would make it every Saturday and Sunday and we'd go over there and have a lower. I Like I love that place. I go there on Youtube. It's my favorite restaurant. I remember I recognize you and we chat and we were going to do this. Jason Kao Yeah You said Let me get you and your dad on all right right like an ass fuck it. My wife was like I love him. I was like he's a jerk and I'm kidding. She listens to show she does. She's a fan. Yeah I mean like what what that would have been great. Great Have you and your dad on like beats you down I just sit there and listen yes sir. What do you want me to start? And that he just had back surgery he can't even get out of bed right now. And if he gave me a dirty look I'd I'd crumble off. You know what I mean. Yeah intense man do all the other younger. The younger brothers have that same thing with him. I don't know I didn't really grow up with them. Talk to him down you a little bit now. Say like terrified no I I mean I I respect the a lot of respect I get a I couldn't I couldn't I couldn't tell you the half of reality because of of what the respect no I mean I just have. I can't. There's nothing I couldn't say. A bad word about the Guy Gordon. Listen like any father. Of course there's bad shit to be said but yeah I don't have the balls nor would I ever say anything all right disrespectful. Well I'm just glad you got closure closure wait a minute still woven ended you know. Yeah yeah no no. No you're right I got close. You're okay you're comfortable. Acceptance one hundred percent. Good talk in Yemen. That was Scott Caan. I thought I thought that was a nice finish Hawaii five OS curly early in its fence season. 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Monetary Systems in an International Context

Epicenter

32:40 min | 7 months ago

Monetary Systems in an International Context

"This is epicenter episode. Three twenty in talk. I welcome to epicenter. My name is nick would you. Yeah well it is still the holidays and we are still on break so for the very last episode of the year. We're bringing you a panel discussion. which took place at Macro Acura Dot W. t.f which was a side event of SF blockchain week? Now if you're not familiar with the W. T. F. collective. They've organized two events so far at one during Defcon in Osaka which was called defied w. t. f. and then the second event macaroni. WPF during of blockchain week. And I'm quite sure they'll be organizing organizing more events during your major blockchain weeks in twenty twenty so macro dot w. t. f.. Was All about the intersection. Between macroeconomics academics and Crypto and sunny was co organizer so this particular panel is called monetary systems in an international context. And it's all about reshaping our thinking around international political economies. The panelists were John Conley. WHO's a professor of economics six at Vanderbilt University back? Kim Who is an investor Hashed Jay Quan the inventor of Tenement and Steve Alderman Alderman. WHO's in economics blogger at inter fluidity dot com sunny moderate this panel and I thought it was an interesting conversation because I learned about existing assisting problems and issues in monetary policy and economics and how economists are already projecting how these problems could carry over into the crypto space and in some ways as we'll see in the conversation already are starting to emerge in the crypto space and how that could affect things like monetary policy in stable table coins into a larger extent governance of CRYPTO network? So it was really cool conversation. I really hope you'll enjoy it now. The audio on this panel isn't great because as it was reported on a camera but we did try to clean it up as much as possible so that it's at least pleasant to listen to so I am now off on vacation. I'm going to be completely offline for a week. At least that's the plan. I hope I can make it but We'll be back here in January with brand new episodes on January. Seventh will release earned view with Charlie Schramm which was absolutely fantastic so looking forward to putting it out but until then I want to wish you all very a happy new year enjoy the celebrations be say but have fun and we'll see you back here in January before we go to the panel. I'd like to tell you about order sponsor for today's episode and that is Pepo. PEPO is a community of content creators sharing short video. Content on Crypto in entrepreneurship. And what's really interesting about. PEPO is the way that you show your love for content when you like something on Pepo you tip. The content created with pepe coins. When you want to take part in a conversation you show your interest by putting up pepe coins? Well so I'm Pepo you'll find an interesting community of people sharing short thirty second videos. 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The goal of this panel is we're heavily going to sort of explore a lot of monetary policy. We've been talking about thus far but then what happens when it starts to come back into we've put it in an international context and so for those avenue. Sunny I was one of the organizers for this event Anima one of the researchers Cosmos and. I've been kind of really deep diving on the monetary theory lately. I've been taking. I took a course on Sarah economics of money and banking which I heavily recommend everyone kate and basically this maybe reading everything. I've been doing the last three years. I kind of inspired. Though this event up we learn more couldn't make it to the odd this panel values on the panel early this morning. Thanks Oh said we have Jay and I'll let him do himself and sunny. My name is Jay Quan. I invented. Tenements Co founded the the company and worked on Cosmos as well and along the way All of that started twenty fourteen. And since then I've become more aware of what's happening to the environment and how there needs to be a global coordinated efforts to combat it I think think or at least first consensus that it is a problem and I realized especially after Labor came out when Leyba came out came unclear that routed inflection point where crypto currencies will become this it will become the new money and it got me worried because consortium of for profit companies should not be dominating our monetary system and I think we need to really asked a question. What monetary system do we need in order to promote better balance with environment and promote now our communities? That's Becky. I'm still drunkenly my specialties. Or Game Theory Directly Economics Operations Research. axiomatic things like that I've been interested in ICT economics since Two Thousand and nine cloud computing initially and then on Internet and so so on a spinning spackle year at Microsoft research in two thousand sixteen seventeen and got interested in biometrics systems design nine networks and so on and really unhappy with these consensus protocols I observed and so that led me to I use the game to try to new and that's Mesquite project was mentioned here and consensus protocol honesty and and Now I'm here. Hi Keith. Waldon sometimes economics writer the Inter fluid in him sometimes in you're similarly to mighty who penn lists. I got interested in the stuff because you know the world is going to shed a lot of ways a so many dimensions and I think that we need a lot of institutional innovation and mostly what interests me about blockchain they're sort of superficially technical systems but they're really fundamentally social institutions rarefied in a technical way that make a lot of things that are sort of Hassett or opaque very visible auditable. And so. That's the optimistic for these things but there are a lot of pessimistic pizzas so along eight months of libra that these technical architectures don't carry social virtue with them repre- we have to bill things that are good and I think it's a very open question whether what we are currently in the middle of doing result in good things or not outlets I to make that happen I am back. I'm robotics engineer by training Turn native. Aw Kosovar ambassador. EVAC over fifty companies including customers initially and Lee inves- especially in Asia side international companies. That are building block protocols. Some of them are public buckskins. And these are touching some of the legislators on some monetary policy in holiday impact. Some of their ECOMMERCE payments Sunny. Reach out to me and to share a little bit more of US libbers impact on care w zoo. Green government lament has been paying extra attention into Cooke Baker System because of the high penetration rate off trip. The the surveys shows that are on third of the white collar. Population has has touched cryptocurrency at some point and increase about ninety percent of the payments are cashless. So it's all electric so severely easy environment Eh. This kind of product to widespread and takeover possibly Fiat and care w Asaf as country with the neighbors of a strong economy such as deputy gendarme be and USD. It is highly impacted by some of their monetary policy changes. But if you look at Rivera and as is Jay mentioned if he can actually stay in fiction point and restore the high potential. It could be another biggest Monterey system that W have to deal with it. So that hasn't been a big addition of a consistent so I guess I'd like to start by introducing one of the corner ideas that I've been thinking about especially when it comes to the International Monetary Systems and. I'm sure a number of the people on the panel may be aware of this year but Just give some background in the audience. There's this concept called Rodrick trauma or the trauma of the political economy. The proposed by a professor at Harvard in Rodrick and what he proposes. Is this trauma. We're very familiar with the space. But the one that he proposes is about economics and politics and the three points of the system are he called off but in terms of his terminologies is a bit odd but I would say globalization national sovereignty and democratic control over monetary policy. And he basically says you have to choose two of are- and so we've we've seen different regimes where we have all three of these so the gold standard is famously. The most up the one one good which was national sovereignty and globalization where we have these fixed exchange rates between countries have national sovereignty. But now now you don't have any sort of democratic control over decision. Making then we have you globalization and democratic control but you lose is out on national sovereignty and this is sort of what keynes proposed in his Bangor plan on also what the euro kind of attempt to do not at the global scale but maybe at the European scale Dale and then finally we have what's Breckenridge compromise or you know the most awesome owner where we have free floating exchange rates. We we need capital uh-huh controls in order to maintain a level of national sovereignty. So with that in mind I guess my question is start off is are we in Lulu right on this point. Currently the world that we live in is primarily focused on still in that Bretton Woods like Saddam Where we ignore we give up a lot of the national Globalization that is possible. And we have some pockets where we're trying more large-scale federalism like the the European Union You see this work can usually go or see more Aachen. You're we're gonNA see things devolve. I think we have the design assistance. Assistance based on the facts faxed environment is back to the world is we share deserve reshare the air and if now do vomit. Oh my gosh. It affects all of us. The many things affect all of us like political turmoil causes refugees so on or collapses trade war right so there's something about the global. I think that that needs to be taken out in order to for for everyone who wants to participate voluntarily to is it globally enforce or incentivizing things but on the other hand. We don't know what the best system is. We need decentralization experimentation and so we also need states or local localities to have their own houses too so I think I think you can't choose one jeter. Insensitive goldline's ation that means nation nation states. I think you need a balance as unique both. I don't like being told what to do. I prefer to do what I like to do. And the extent that don't cause harm to other people probably what I'm allowed to do but there are two nowadays you can you can be air you can mislabeled who they're all kinds of things that have enormous impacts on the rest of people even at a global scale. The problem is that you can't really necessarily trust the central authorities lease to internalize those externalities directly. Soon as you focus power will then. The power focuses on itself. So it's not clear what the right thing to Louis. I think. I think the what I try to do is is designed things as much as possible so that individuals make decisions and don't cost extra allergies and reserve the minimum possible possible for the the Higher Authority. And that's one reason. I like Crypto that is I think the only technological thing that we have. That's big right now. That moves in the direction action of centralization a machine learning big data universal activity Iot all of these things are instruments so civilization control and the extra hours so we have hope it somewhere watching now. These are battery or Tom And all that Steve or new logo scale. We make water that I actually use all alleyne quantity of Is that an acceptable moral or is one degree decision of you. See what my governments do is take care of me and I and every level. I want my government to do that. I want my city government to take care of me as a city. I want my state government to take care of me as a state. I don't really want my thinking about Alabama Emma New York that much because that's not not their job they're looking after me. There's a degree of benevolence though. I mean I would be upset if my government is doing really malicious horrible things that would upset my sense of ethics and morality but I think the first the first responsibility of any hierarchical unit is to take take care of the people that it's it's over. Take care of your family or lost. You know it's not the job of my boss door about other companies. He worries about this company. So and then you're gonNA point. I think it's just a balance of power even in the role Not It doesn't work like this guy that they take kind of all the extended ladies making sure all the parties involved in the A landscape I think many of the projects are doing this in a way that they can become bigger too big to be shut down rather than asking for some of the admission into this system or acceptance. I think regarding lever since it's the topic One thing that I thought was maybe wrong position was that didn't even lunch at but the purpose idea but but they made it to public early not becoming tippy enough with the strong incentive All this nurse before making it that this is all laid out in the system of social graphs and I think one of the approach that I like is Tara. It's a snip. AUCOIN project AUSTAR Hilton sentiment and the ads out cold cooked component and make just a good payment product. And now it's a Five hundred case on users within three months where onto three million dollars per day and government don't really see it as a threat maybe Abia. FM Rich to whole additional payment. Let's get that I mentioned which is ninety percent of the whole career. It could be too big for to be sometime so I like these. Push better than thinking about all this inter twined a power balance in the the venue of yet pieces from Ceelo long time stable against the. US saw and good morning as the encouraged us all the world Motivate the that the US controlled the United States policy all economies throughout the world. It's a long while you're away from the VR Aw I mean research of course right there but one of the reasons The core reason was that even. US is volatile and as the receiver at the US and China tension nitpicking to a single dollar. A single monetary policy can be volatile offered a whole because an. SDR is one of the. Most I think the most stable currency bucket right now with yet so it makes sense. I live also pack test yard. Carney I'd like to answer your original question about the Donnie love I'M GONNA BE Survey opposite of my neighbor a little bit Other very much share that inclination towards centralization as a design goal a little bit more pessimistic about the possibility that in the world that we live in an externalities can be disentangled. So a libertarian. Universe looks very nice to the degree that we can kind of localize the fact of our actions things. We should have liberty where we don't hurt her adversely affect other people and unfortunately I think we are in a time of great crisis and a significant part of that crisis is the patriotism awesome worked pretty well especially in the United States which was a big not very dense country when technology didn't bring us all together as much when on our economy was a little bit less developed when there was a stronger notion of the local and I think that what we're struggling for right now and it's kind of a part of this is is that when there are extra analogies we need to be in France is. There's going to have to be some kind of a decision-making system beyond we have the liberty to do what we want and we need to be enfranchised in that system and with robotics points to is just a tremendous some tension between from an economic development perspective active. You want a global system. It's sort of standard. Economic reasons has a lot to offer but from an enfranchisement perspective. You really want things to be local uh-huh and so the president would compromise with. After the experience of the words that came from a similar period of globalization followed by backlash of people who felt. It's like they no longer had communities say or less doubt and a retrenchment towards a much more national world. I think we're reliving exactly the same struggle Ogle. Exactly the same offence will need to have in the short term. Exactly the same outcomes which is to say Contra period of in Rodeo to limit new liberal technocracy Chrissy where we're we've been part of global economy from which we've been disenfranchised from what we haven't had any meaningful democratic but and we've projected it right. Trump is rejection of that. Brexit is a rejection of that all the various anti liberal Authoritarians who rising up around the world are basically people trying to sort of take back more organic communities unity's from this neoliberal technocratic version of the rope. We can't actually go back to local to sort of part of the trial of the triangle. Angle that is wearing franchised. In our nation's disentangled economically we have a democracy in the markets. But not the globals. Because we're much to entangle so crypto. In my view the reason one reason to be interested in it it's one way or another. We have to figure out democratic institutions that will get us to the global democracy side of the triangle where we do have a global economy. Because we can't help it but where we have a meaningful kind of democracy that franchise is all of us. That doesn't have US feel like we're falling behind. That were left behind Lacrosse. Where press were Nord and we just have a limited time as a as a species to figure out how to organize a meaningful all global system in which we feel franchise and the institutional development aspect of CRYPTO? The the idea of being able to build new kinds of institutions agents new kinds of voting systems and organizations. I think optimistically might play a crucial part in that In the meantime until we get better institutions working to retrench into a more national world. Because it's the only way we don't tariffs those apart. So I used to be libertarian. I got better disease of you but no I mean I I like your program. I wish the concern I have. Is this the more locally. Are the smaller your group bigger. Say say and the more likely it is to reflect your preferences. I'm not saying that you can reduce promised your group but I say to whatever extent you can. That's the preferred option. Now the problem with global or even large of voting is so this is why animists have no friends because we know about impossibility rooms. There's a possibility there enlist Saturday Saturday. There's impossibility propagation. It just turns out that as is even abstract exercise you really cannot in any reasonable way satisfies any reasonable set of conditions. Let People Express preferences in a way. That doesn't really disaster. It's just not possible. I mean I I wish it was I really do and I. I would love to have a global government that was good in significant but the theory says no I think. The empirical evidence is not so strongly actually agree with everyone here. I don't think that's what I'm trying to say is When when I say I want some global aspect of economy? I'm not saying I WANNA go government. That were bound to I am only promoting being voluntary associations. And I think basically by enabling people to create their own monetary systems into half competition Fiat. Uh we will be able to create a system that balances the needs of local in Monterey needs as well as global coordination by having competition of many global models in allowing people to freely. So I think we'll come up with the best set of balances. I just one more thing reason why. Why believes so strongly like my dad lost his job or the company that's working or folded because of the IMF crisis? I do too the way that the Interest rates were changed by the and then the housing crisis to affect my family. The same so at this point I don't want to be bound by any Fiat currency I would rather die than be held to a decree that says I have to use his money because I don't support this money any system. I don't support the dollar support. The wars that were raging. I want to stop using Steve. I mean a lot of your talk was about how the system stop the slavery system. That grades is somewhat beneficial. Still running a well-functioning society. So what would you say. J example about like could we ever ever have one of the topics Hi De Nationalization of money is that ever possible in a world in which beyond currency exists in which the government requires taxes in one currency governments have a tremendous advantage at defining would get to be the sort of high network effect parents. He because they uniquely we have the capacity to create that obligations Acne Hill from nothing so anything can kind of be monetize we can coordinate on cigarettes or gold or whatever for a while but the reason why states are really good at it is that they can make something desirable by Fiat. I think you have to pay taxes in it. You know. It's a little bit like facebook. I hate these in one. See the race from Europe that plane. But it's really hard to deal with because they have this tremendous network effect and social networks. Really do have value associated with the network effect so Fiat currencies currencies in general have a tremendous network in fact there's a tremendous benefit to having one that everybody uses so given that governments. Have this capacity ready to make the thing that they issue to give an advantage to the thing that the issue is currency become a core a currency coordination point. They have a tremendous advantage. And those things WANNA be big. I don't really see a role for kind of as a general purpose. Currency or lots of little things interacting with one another. You're I wanNA caveat that on the institutional side because I think you know I I don't actually disagree all that much with my neighbor. I think it's critically important as much as possible to create notions of locality for ourselves because our our larger affiliations are always GonNa be unhappy with them to some degree and within smaller communities is one way that you can kind of bind together give sort of sinews and blood to a smaller community is by having the community sort of describe patterns of how economic value flows and those can be expressed as something like a complementary currency so I can see a world in which there lots of quote nationalized money that are kind of the scripture tokens of local intense or very small. Not necessarily very small but small all validity to the nation state communities. But I don't think we're going to get to a world of kind of competing monies for general purpose commerce. Okay so okay you mentioned earlier about you know. Maybe we can build the democratic tools to like the global governance possible extent. You know I think the best example case as we have today is the euro zone and they essentially created monetary union but they have been unable to fiscal union. And what makes us thank that. We can do that in a global sense of Canyon due to the incense and when it comes to Lebron for example we can't even get European countries. Let's share like a European Union to pull risks to issue common bond. How can we get these multinational companies competing interests to do so? I think we probably shouldn't. I mean the reason that Greece in Germany don't have a common turn coming fiscal policies that Greeks Germans and have not only behave differently. They have different Krepinevich. They wished to behave differently. And the policy. That's right for the Germans is not right for the Greeks and so there's a reason to have separation with missile policies in a single marker Don't think this will you went like I say i. It's always about with right. There's the extra analogy. There's the networks network accidentally benefit of of getting together. But then there's the loss of a personal preference and choice if you do that and so so the balance you know. There's not a there's not a single right answer it's my personal opinion. I'm still learning this That that the EU should not have had the euro that the benefit of a single currency is not that great you can instruct other means on top of individual states currencies Z's and make the reason why we need something global primarily to deal with things that are naturally global suggests the jazz dealing with the environment. Now there should be a global system or incentivizing the plenty of trees carbon sequestration and not not suggesting that this system is be forced on everyone but states or towns for example and participate voluntarily choose to if we find the right model that has correct legitimacy with the right transparency and accountability decisions. Then choose to fund these fatty. Thank you this volunteer in the environmental issue. What happens like I don't want to feel like they're they don't want to sacrifice economic activity or violent? The likes scale dilemma. were all anywhere to do but no one wants. They need to do something worth it. Not so much. An enforcement from the tot from cheers so for example you can have a union. Nyan appears that say well. We're going to Not Trade with his partner until they adopt something sensible for example So as Steve said I think Fiat currency having the governance of the government than nations forcing it as big power in keeping everything within the same. But I also agree with a J. also isn't Remind me some idea like this idea that I was that causing around with my friends. Are you know today super-rich or even just pop. Maybe one percent are free from Financial Wealth or their activities. And I think with the cryptocurrency unit and we see a lot of Couteau Conferences their global Constricted away from the national. Id's and also Role so in the future like some people say that you know this comp- The governance brings people from the centralized communities into more back to nomadic communities. So maybe this wealth accumulating Criticized could lead to next dollars that represent you know like an intern the nationalities that that is aligned within the ones that share similar interests and Maybe the denationalisation of money. Yeah some of. Let's just starting a project called Virgo and it is to create an association of Technologists but also the economists and so on in order for us to not not only decentralized social media communications our financial systems in governance systems but ultimately so he can ask questions like what should our monetary system and software things things like global warming. Now it's not tech centric. You know we're not restarting aid as a as a people centric organization in project so please join us for go dot org you'll see the Links to form the yes so much. 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Mr. Robot | Season 4, Episode 6 Recap: "406 Not Acceptable"

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Mr. Robot | Season 4, Episode 6 Recap: "406 Not Acceptable"

"Mister robot fees in four four. Oh six not acceptable is over has been for a little while but we are just getting started. Started here on post show recaps catching up a little bit late. But we're coming in hot with a baseball bats in hand to size up this past week of Mister Robot. Stop Down for some other feedback. That's leftover from four zero five. I'm joined here by the man. The myth the legend. I wasn't going to say the little B word because you're certainly not that Antonio Missouri. I just right here. I have some Christmas in a cup for you. Sweep government yeah. It's Great Ashby word. Word wouldn't call me that and I'm not tied up. I'm not being tortured there aren't fables being sprayed around my head. We're here to podcast. We're here to talk about certainly a hot button episode of Mister Robot. But we're here to talk about the season as a whole we're reaching the midway point. Christmas is almost here. Christmas has come in many ways but we have not got to Christmas night yet. It seems like we're about to reach a breaking point on a couple of things so we thought this would be a good place to stop down and talk about the season as a whole as well as episode six with Jessica with which just aired all right. So let's let's let's start there before before we start looking broadly at where we are in the season You know just. We're pulling in for feedback from this week. There's plenty of ways to get your feedback into intas. We've got an email address. MISTER ROBOT AT EPO show RECAPS DOT com. That's M. R.. ROBOT PUSHER RECAPS DOT COM. You can always tweet at us as well APP OSHA RECAPS AT AC Missouri's Antonio I'm at round Howard and one of the one of the first takeaways when I was like scrolling through some of the feedback was I had seen a note from your friend in mind. The Great Brendan Fitzpatrick who remarked. That this episode was trending towards being one of his least favorite episodes of Mister robot given and some of the dark energy about this episode. I don't know about worst episode. Ever Mister Robot deals harsh harsh harsh indictment to be making certainly certainly disclose to the episode. I would say probably for me. The weakest of the season so far though not without complexity and not without material to really sink our teeth into do but Antonio this is what I believe is referred to as a chess pieces episode. Right this is like some board setting. That's going on here in six. We're definitely moving pieces into positions that they need to be for the next dramatic moments to arise but I sort of felt like we were doing that In the last episode sodas well to an extent. Although not like this this this last episode was a was of course the big heist. It was wordless but it was the highest and was its own thing we needed the characters to complete it so that we could get them to the next moment but we found so many great things within the context of that even though Krista story was about Christa Christa being captured or DDP story was about DDP ultimately needing to find Elliott and and Darlene Darlene. And Elliot store was about executing executing the hack there were these emotional beats in the in. The process of that in this episode is not without those as well but it really feels like the payoff from the events of this episode. has yet to really come. And I think what last episode did really well was the payoff of for example Elliott Elliott putting his hand on Darlene at the end of all latte putting his hand on hers and that emotional moment they shared came within the context of that episode. A what was going on with Philip price came within the context of that episode. This it just feels like now. We have to see what happens. Ultimately as a result of everything that happened with KRISTA and Vera. Now we have to see what happens ultimately as a result of everything that happened with Darlene and DDP so a lot of these payoffs they just seem to be pushed at least one episode further down the line and I think that's great because so much tension was built in this episode however ever because some really dark turns were taken shifting. The payoff away from this episode. I think does leave. People feeling certain type of way about the episode and it does make people feel like like overall it was dark or things ultimately weren't achieved or the ball wasn't moved far far enough down the field to necessarily justify the tension or difficulty faculty that we faced. I mean we can't really hide from the fact that as Mister Robot articulates throughout the course of this episode Elliott crosses a major line. Somebody call it the Walter White Light Line some might say this is a point of no return considering the actions that he took it literally Corp The valley the Lily Court Lil e Corp of the Valley. I see what you did. There was great. It was great. Yeah it could be. I mean it could be justified. If you feel that way is certainly one of those things where like a Rohrschack test. It's depends on how you read. It is what you see in Elliott's actions here Elliott's Justifications Ring Hollow. They don't stay for me and they don't even say Mister robot but he crosses the line very clearly here and what we don't see is the payoff for that line and I'm not sure we will feel good about the payoff. I'm not sure taking certain people off the board and breaking bad was justification for some of Walter's actions and I'm not sure that there wasn't a better way to do this with Elliot but was there so we sastre way. was there a faster way Antonio. That's yeah the speed seemed to be what he was most concerned about. Not The downer. I guess they're not the not the opiate but but no this is A. It's a very good question and not just what's happening with Elliot. Obviously the whole episode code was Fernando Veira torturing Krista as well and everything that came from that scene and the incredible interplay between the two actors especially really just delivered a lot of tension and a lot of upset feeling and not a lot of payoff. Because look that's still clearly as an ongoing thing and we have not seen the result of that so I can understand why people were were upset by this episode. I definitely get it but I also think that there's a lot to talk about and we can talk about it in the context of the whole season so oh I don't know we're we're Elliott's actions. Did you feel like it was a bridge too far. From which we you'll never be able to return to the way you feel about Elliott well so so I think it's worth continuing sort of just like the bird's eye view conversation on this episode by drawing in more feedback. I think this is going to guide us through the whole podcast today. Let's go and and to lean on Edward Morris who's been a great supporter of Mister Robot coverage here on post show. RECAPS who is initial reaction to to this episode is Dom being bad. Vera is being bad white. Roses being bad Elliott is being bad and another way of articulating. That would be the way. That dom is acting is not acceptable. The way that Vera is acting not not acceptable white rose. Not Accessible Elliott. Not Acceptable. The way that you were acting and dawn had noted did that she had no don says. I've Lost Count of how many times it held my breath during this episode. This feeling more and more like everyone I like will die and I I got news for you. Everyone you like will die just four of life so in the grand scheme yes. I'm feeling dark mark now to. It's dark up there unless light rose is able to pull off her massive plan a case death is not the end potentially who knows but we had started this conversation by drawing on fifties reaction and then fifty sat with the episode a little bit longer and that take graduated into something Nelson morphed and this is what fitzy had written in. At first I was ready to send a note saying this was my least favorite episode of Mister Robot that I hated it however I had to wrap my head around on the fact that just because I was upset by the episode doesn't mean it was a bad episode. It's okay for TV to be upsetting if not entirely nerve wracking and wrenching. You think I've have learned this lesson from the leftovers. If not mister robot itself my thoughts are still going back and forth however between was this drama and intensity for intensities sake or was this all necessary for the plot and progress of the season. I'm still not entirely sure and I probably won't be until this is all said and done at the end of the season. This is going to be an episode. We look back and study audie and at the end we're going to be asking. Was it earned. I think that fifty s graduated take mirrors mind even to the point where I say like I think that this is the weakest episode of the season is a relative term because I think that this has been a very strong season so far and I think that the the reasons why view like this was a weaker episode compared to one through five. Is this just a little bit more like a deck center of getting like Vera imposition into finally collide with Elliot and a lot of exposition. That leads us to this place on but it also is an episode that is deeply embodying its title which is something that we have been seeing all throughout. I mean I think you could probably come up. Is it your point. You could come up with a pretty decent fantastic for the way the rest of Mister robot bought is going to pan out just by studying what the episode titles are going to be based on like the foro errors right like four six. Not Acceptable is going to feature in episode. We're not acting especially acceptably like their behavior is at the very least questionable if not outright objectionable Elliott doesn't get away from this either. I've I have been saying on this podcast that I believe that Mister robot will end in a fashion that is bittersweet in a way where Elliott is allowed to to reconnect is allowed allowed to like actually achieve meaningful connection either with himself in a in a healthier way than he has had the sparring his life with other people with the rest of the world. I still think that is possible But I think after an episode like this it will be very very hard to feel good about that if there are not consequences to be. Paid for the PEPPERMINT MOCHA of all. I mean it really is for me the Lilly corporate the valley. We went here right. It's not that Elliott hasn't done questionable things before it is not as though Elliott hasn't isn't compromised himself before she let several convicts out of prison in order to get Fernando Vera out in order to save Showa. He risked the lives of many for one and wanted to get for it. You know Shayla was dead. Anyway it's it's not lost on me. That Elliott makes probably the pure Elliott the non mister robot Elliott makes one of his single most morally dubious choices since that season one episode where he frees Vera from jail with Vera looming in the distance. What he does here to Libya is patently unacceptable? draftable the Calculus for him is. Do I traumatized this woman's life do I potentially end it you no. I don't know her. Potentially taking her own life is high on the list of things that he thinks might happen in this moment but it's at at least a risk that he's going to be severely ruining her existence by making the threat that he makes by compromising her against the dark army and the day use group the way that he does by drugging her he trucks this woman. He drugs this woman who he's just slept with as as an act of subterfuge as an as an act of getting closer and using this person for for not wholly transparent purposes and the goal in the face of it is extensively to stop the machinations of a Lego Malaysia. MANIACAL NIAL insanely super powerful. Terrible person in white rose who may be planning something very dangerous for humanity sanity at large and by taking this person out and by doing everything in his power to taking this person out. While knowing that there is a ticking ticking clock tick Tock Tick Tock indeed Antonio that maybe this one person's life is worth that cost and Elliott has has given up on himself finding any measure of actual happiness has given up on the idea of him needing this or has accepted in his mind. The idea That this is an acceptable course of action to take in the pursuit of something greater but as a human being as a human being what what he does is a full on violation so much. So that it grosses out mister robot and you had sent me a very funny me me on text before we got on here I don't know where you where you caught this from but it's basically yeah. Please go believe it was on read it I was hopefully. I can find a way to credit. The user certainly will but it's it's basically a list of all the times that mister robot has pushed Elliott over the edge scene by scene and then it is ultimately mister robot saying this is too far. What are the instances that are listed there on the meme? It's it's mister robot season one telling Elliot let's just blow up the pipeline by by Steel Mountain. Who Cares if people die? It's it's an image of Elliot talking to the guy at Steel Mountain whose name mind blanking on at the bill bill bill saying. Hey Elliott just destroy this guy self worth and scar him for life Mister robot on the stairwells saying Elliott. Forget Shayla get back to work. She had it coming Mister robot with his gun to Romero's head saying hey elliot guess how I convinced Romero to comeback. It's mister robot with with Elliott. Trying to convince him to work with race as Elliot don't get involved in what raised doing let ray traffic kids. It's Mister robot at the precipice of stage. Hey Elliot let's blow up a building again. It's it's mister robot holding a gun to Terrell saying. Hey Elliot screw it. I'm shooting this guy in the forehead head. It's Mister robot looking at the computer screen as stage two is imminent saying Hey Eliot. I'm only going to save this building because he tricked me. Because I was tricked. And then culminates culminates in the coffee shop with Elliot and Mister Robot Mister robot looking at Elliott. WHO's planning on drugging Olivia? And saying W. T. F. Elliott where your boundaries at uh-huh that's the line that's the line for Mister robot and it's funny Reddit user was to underscore ones who posted that I saw there. It's very very funny Johnny. But the whole point is all of this is Elliott. These are all different sides evaluate in La to somebody who is not altogether. Well Elliott is somebody who who suffers greatly lately from illness from compulsion from a variety of things But the the Romney Malik portrayed version of Elliott Elliot by and large. You'd think of him as somebody who's going to do the right thing. Even if it's the hard thing in the face of overwhelming obstacle and you think of Christian slater's eaters portrayal of Eliot as somebody who's going to cut the corners somebody who's willing to get his hands dirty in order to get the job done and that's shifting this season as they are becoming more and more in messed with each other and maybe as the other one whether that's us or something else entirely maybe starting to manifest more. Maybe the other one is the two of them combined who really knows where they are passing each other ships in the night but it just strikes me that I think it's it's inexcusable. Elliot does here and I'm not here to present a counterpoint. But Elliott says in the episode and of course writers put the words in these characters mouth so they can say whatever want him to say. I thought Amelia Grays writing in this episode was very very good and I thought the actors did a great job with with the words that they had to speak. It was almost musical. Some of the dialogue from various specifically But Elliott says when he's talking into oblivion about why he has the problems that he has with the dark army he says they back everyone into a corner until that's all into all that's left for us is to compromise ourselves. I'm he directly says this which of course can't be ignored in light of the actions that he takes in the episode but also can't be ignored because he sort of is lying to himself. We're trying to defend. Send himself about a lot of his motivations. He says you know she would have just been honest with herself about who she worked for. This wouldn't have been a problem. He he's I tried to justify earlier in the season to Darlene. After Angela's dead he basically says you know. We didn't have anything to do with that. That was on her. That wasn't our fault that that happened. She put herself in that position. Never mind that Angela would have never been on the dark. Armies radar had it not been for Elliott's involvement with dark army. I really don't think that would have been the case. Ace Let us not forget that the dark army only felt the need to hack equal or attack all safe because Elliott pulled the one eighty. He did with Terry Kobe by throwing Cherry Colby under the bus by putting that in play. That's when the dark army felt like they needed their own backstop here because they couldn't trust Elliott in their backstop involved compromising Angela putting her in the dark armies crosshairs. And so on. That's at Elliott's Terry. Colby mistake was very human. One came from a place of motivation that I think we could justify. He was looking for Angela Terry. Kobe was a horrible person in that moment. Elliott was going to do the other thing until Terry. Kobe was such a piece of shit in that meeting. Being that he switched the file here Elliott has just seemingly saying this is the only way I could think of. It's the fastest way I could think of. It's the only way I knew that you could trust me and yet yet. You're talking about a person who very much understands not only the ten foot impact of the dais group but the thousand foot impact. He is manipulative. He does Specifically bring up the fact that they're responsible for the massacre that killed Olivia's mother so it is absolutely manipulative. What is going on here? But he is not not wrong in that they have harmed tens to hundreds to maybe millions of people's lives through their actions just in the last twenty years and for what just to consolidate the power as far as Elliot sees it one life or in the case of Olivia at least two lives because of her child can be ruined. Including Elliott Elliott own life. If he feels like he can ruined his own life and if he can stick his neck out there and damage all this what someone else in the face of the fact that this may actually save millions of lives so these are the kind of complicated decisions that leaders do have to make any time. Our leaders send people to war. They are making that type of decision and he's our leaders have to decide I'd about using a weapon. They have to decide they make. They make the kind of decision when they decided to budget compromises. They they can think of those things as lives in hand. It is not at the ten and foot level that Elliott's experiencing with Olivia. It is very much in those instances at the thousand foot level especially in the case of drone strikes. Some of the horrible things that our government has done but these are the decisions that leaders have to make and I do think Elliott has sort of detached himself from the process. That said you would be foolish not to think about all the lives lives that have lined up against Elliott right on in this in this season alone Freddie Lomax in the first episode Angela in the first episode right off the Bat tyrel wondering going through the forest because of his connection with Elliot. All these lives are being put on Elliott's back because of his actions so I think Elliott's mind it's what's one more. What's one more or if I can stop all of this? What's more if I can put an end to this? Yes it's very personal. Yes it's hand-to-hand yes. It's a horrible thing but listen. My life is jeopardized I can get through it and if I can get through it she can to in if I. If she can't get through it I might not be able to get through it either. So we're all soldiers in this war at this point. She's a soldier because she chose to sign up and I know he saying that because he wants to defend himself but I think his line about everyone being backed into a corner until so all that's left is for us to compromise ourselves. It rang true to me in terms of some of the other things in this episode where we have feedback about everybody acting bed yes. DDP is acting bed but the lines. About what what would you do if you were in my situation. I'm doing it. We know the pressure that she's under. We've seen it in every episode. We've seen are wondering around the streets. We know that a guy who just had the misfortune of interviewing her about a case at Santiago case ended up murdered because of a stray remark. The DP made to Janice so in that scenario how do you feel. And ultimately. She didn't do anything bad. She did the right thing quote unquote right thing thing morally but these are morally difficult issues. It's kind of like a very human version of the trolley problem that the good place did such a great right. Ah We're seeing a play out in real time. Can you is a Livia worth the sacrifice. If you're going to save thousands millions more people shortly she is if if you're Elliott so I'm not saying that he was right and I'm not defending him. I'm just saying put yourself in his shoes put yourself in. DDP shoes put yourself on these bad actors shoes. And I'm not saying bad. Actors actors like the performances are bad the performances were great. Put yourself in their shoes. And maybe you feel a little differently maybe you feel like your back's against the wall and you don't have a choice. That is the result of things that he has done. Elliot clearly does feel bad about his actions from prior seasons. I don't think Elliott has even taken the time to stop down and feel bad about anything in these seasons so this was an elliot plan. Mister robot didn't agree with clearly a large part of Elliott. Even the Alpha crazy normally unreserved of dangerous part of Elliott feels like this is a bridge too far. This is a line that's being crossed and yet Elliott still feels the need to cross it. I think we need to ask ourselves. Like what has he experienced to put him in this position and I think if we look back over the course of the series is a lot. I completely agree with that. I think the thing for me is going going to be. How is this addressed? And that's that's the part fifties comment that that really sits with me is in the balance of the show where we go with Elliot ultimately Louis how how reflective will the show will allow him to be about what he just did because what he did just do did cross a line and it's not you know not to take away from the fact that he's crossing a line in deciding like this is for the greater good and I can take that cosmic scar like I can. I can suffer for this if it means that I'm going to be able to write some cosmic wrongs like I can I can. What's more one more individual in the face of billions of great? You know that. Ah you very beautifully. Articulated the type of decision making that has to go into something like that but what kind of introspection is he going to be. Allowed to have not just about data Livia but about Shayla and about what I did to her and and how. That situation was allowed to unfold that he was allowed to that. He he sprung Fernando Vera from prison that Fernando Vera. His escape allowed so many other people to escape who knows what comes from that who knows the fact that all of society was drawn into this world because of his plan our son is dead. As a result of this mogul ugliest dead. Trenton is dead Romero maybe would have died anyway since it was just a random random act of violence but tyrel Carell is deceased as well and he's a good person to talk about here. Because I love this show. Obviously we would not be talking about it to the at that we talk about it but at tyrel well who himself is a bad actor. And I'm not talking about Martin Wallstrom. who is a terrific Tyrrell? Who has done some awful awful awful things who killed a woman during a sexual assault gets to die by like being lovingly embraced by a warm blue glow? That's the kind of ending he gets to hire. People were upset that he died. You know that's the kind of ending he gets to have on on a show like this and Angela. Moss gets shot in the back of the head a because she's been like misguidedly crusading towards a starting a new world order and is lost in her grief and gets to have like a non drowning affiliate death. You know like that's what happens to her and she is by all accounts a pretty good person who is pretty dinged up in that way and she gets to have a really big emotional reaction to that before she is sent off like she gets kind of really reckon with that Terrell never really got to fully recognize with what he had done. I think he got to reckon with who he was and why he was the way that he it was. But I don't get the sense that he walked off to the warm blue glow doing especially guilty about the thousands of people who died because of his work on stage to where is mister robot robot gonNA land with Elliott's ending in that regard. Is this going to be a show that ends with him really weighing saying all of that and getting a moment to really feel all of that because if he doesn't and he gets to have a relatively happy ending. I think I'm not going to be thrilled. Told about that I think that Elliott deserves reckoning. I think that he's probably deserved. Some kind of a reckoning for a while now and it just feels more punctuated for me after this if even Mister robot is kind of disgusted with Elliott by the end of this episode. It's not it's not necessarily discussed that I feel towards Elliot but I don't think that he can do what he did to Libya a even in the service of what it is that he did and not at least half to map it onto twenty four. Because we're in the middle of a little bit of a twenty four episode right now with all this time so so fast that dammit Khloe were running out of time even Jack. Bauer was allowed to end a season and one of his very very very bad long days by sitting in a car and being like Holy Shit. The things that I had to do today the things that I endured today the moral sacrifices sacrifices I made the moral choices I probably should not have made but made anyway and before that day just hits him and he cries and that's how Tavora twenty-four scene. It's it's a beautiful scene and Kiefer Sutherland. Is Crazy talented Nazi. No Christmas trees were harmed in the making of that senior. Who knows if Elliott's get to tackle a Christmas tree before the season of Mister robot is over but he needs to have a moment like that if he does not get L. A.? Moment like that then. I'm I'm not sure that I'm GonNa feel emotionally satisfied by the Elliott Alderson arc. I feel like we will probably get something where he reckons with at this to some degree. So I feel confident about it because Mister Robot articulates. That's US like we can't pretend we didn't just see that. You can't pretend you didn't see see that and you didn't do a thing right. That's what it was going to say a few things one. The show is definitely aware of it right because not only mister robot say a Livia says it how many people people have had to suffer because of you was it worth it and you're the worst kind of monster because you don't even know it Elliott's kind of walking around in a daze. But we've seen this before out of Elliott Elliot and the reckoning that he had before in don't delete me in season three When he had to sit? And have that that that long night with With Trenton brother with Muhammed and really own up to a lot of that is our favorite episode. It certainly my favorite episode Even after this last episode episode. Five here in this season That remains my favorite episode for that reason because Mister robot piled up so much on top of Elliott that he took the time and space to sit down and have him really reckon can with that is significant for me and it landed so well with me in our podcast talk so much about why that was so effective in that moment. I think the show has done it before this this episode in the Consciousness Episode Multiple Times the characters are aware of that and are aware of what's going on but I will say this is sort of me talking about comparing pairing this to to episode when when I said last episode was moving pieces around the board but there were effects. What we're dealing with? The season of course is because of the compressed time because we're looking at a lot of episodes in the course of a very short period of actual showtime You have the opportunity to do that. You have the opportunity to sit down and do do just an hour. We're very little happens. We're Elliott reckons with a lot of what's come along and what he's faced with the problem I think. Is that what we've shifted in the in. The course of this season is Elliott's real reckoning with regard to what happened with Angela. That's the thing he hasn't really let in. That's the thing maybe that's motivating him to a certain extent but that's what he really hasn't come to grips with and he hasn't that we've seen take the time taking the time. He's still not even talking to US Josh like he's still I'm not even talking to us because he hasn't processed that bit of it yet so I think that is the catalyst that is the moment that is the thing of. That's going to come from all of this and we're just piling ailing stuff on top of it. At this point it comes out in the way that he and Mister robot of switched roles comes out in the when he yells at tyrel and then as able to pivot back a little it it comes out in the fact that I do think he shared some very real human emotion with Olivia. It wasn't pure manipulation. He allowed himself to have that kind of moment at the time we remarked on that episode in that moment said well this is good Elliott having a human moment like this is what he was able to let in and maybe he'll he'll make some progress in terms of his emotional state. Now as a result of this clearly wants to four two steps back in that regard but that is the reckoning. I think that he has not allowed the emotional reckoning with Angela that he's not allowed himself to have and that's the reason. A lot of this is getting shifted down the block and I think that's the reason a lot of his behaviors just becoming more and more abhorrent Because he hasn't taking the time to stop down and do that. I think about how he's treated Darlene in this season in the things that he said to her. He's apologized and we even have some of that in this episode. Some apologies allergies Between the two of them but he is just chugging full steam ahead and really not stopping down because I think he feels that he needs to and because of the nature of the season. I get the opportunity to step step back. But it's also just soap repulsive. We are really heading hour by hour almost into what's happening happening so we have to think about that right. We have to think about man it feels like Elliott. Just really doesn't give a shit anymore but this could be like what is it like a one hundred forty eight hour thirty six six hour stretch of his life on the last few episodes so maybe he hasn't just taken even breath from that time. When was the last time the guy slept? You know what I mean like. I A lot a lot of that stuff. The show is not necessarily processing because of the timeline so for example. Because we're compressing the episodes together Elliott. Elliot gets beat to Shit last episode onset by a free car right right is lying on the ground and looks fine this episode. And that's that's tough to deal with if you know if that were a wrestling match I'd say needs to be selling his injuries. More the crowds never going to believe this. So that's one thing that I think again. The construction of this season season leads to a lot of that. What I will say and I want to use this to transition for a moment if we get to a point next episode where where we end up meeting the other guy because Vera breaks Elliott? Because he he's in the trunk. Now a Lotta trunks on this show. He is in the trunk now. And he ends up with Vera Vera. And it's an episode with Elliot Vera and Krista and maybe not much else happens in that episode and ultimately we meet the other Guy Elliot does break and very is able to break him in. That break leads us to a major thing. Will that have been worth it. We'll all of the horrible behavior. This is back to fifties point. Will that all have been worth it. If what we get is a break. I think that's what most people want after episode two this season to pick mystery that a lot of us want to see solved as what the hell was going on with the other guy. Who's the other guy? Obviously there's a little bit of a nudge down the court in this episode. We're KRISTA says she's got this big file. September two thousand fifteen that would be before the major events of the show that we know about. We know it's shortly after Elliott with a baseball bat. Maybe not an eastern but definitely a baseball bat crashes Server Room I think or something I don't know if it was a baseball bat there or if when he was a kid at a baseball bat but we know Elliott has been prone to these violent outbursts and we know that happened in. That's why he ended up with Krista and and if that's what we're going to find out about maybe it's related to the other guy. Maybe ties back to his childhood with that Baseball Bat in that bedroom when he jumped or was pushed out the window. Maybe that's all that so if we get to that point because we have pushed Elliott so far that he's breaking his own barriers crossing these lines doing horrible things that has not reckoned can with any of it. Is it worth it that brings us into the Veira of it. All I have an interview up at T. H. R. dot com slash. Mr Roy about with Elliot Villar. Who Plays Fernando Vera that I encourage you to check out? He's really smart guy and was it was really fun to talk about him. Not using the barrel voice like having he's like I could not be more Far Away from Fernando Vera. Like up my my two twins downstairs like arguing over a movie as we were having the phone conversation it was. It was really really fun to talk to him. So if you haven't checked it out I recommend you do. His twins named a bully and a little bit. Well that leads nicely into this next question from Phil not the Great Faculty who wrote and said I don't care about who the other one is anymore. Who is little bitch and I'm articulating that the way that it is written who who is little bitch? I know that that is probably a great takeaway to have from this episode of Mister Robot. Did you did you. Did you read that story. As as a KRISTA did that Vera was low bitch and that he was being bullied on that he learned how to see somebody because various ice. I see you or that. That's the thing that he says or was he the bully. There's a big scar in his. I A lot of people think he might have been the bully What was your read on that? I read it the way that Chris did. I tend to believe Chris Pretty good at her job. I think that the story makes more sense in that regard that this was like this is the origin story of Fernando. Carreira this is how Fernando Vera came the bully instead of being the little bitch that this is is like the guy who hated himself because he was so deeply viciously boyd. His entire life decided to figure out how to use that hate as power. And it's another thing that Elliot Villar says very confusing to talk about Elliot Villar who is not Elliott Alderson. Elliot Villar who plays Fernando Ferrara Spanish for robot by the way is that true. No Stop Stop It. She's I know that you've been doing your duo lingo. So I wasn't sure yes but yeah I think that the idea there being In his mind that that Vera has two superpowers. One of those super powers is like intense empathy. Believe it or not that like he can intuit two people very well. He knows what people are feeling very in touch with his own feelings. That's how he's able to have that moment back and sees one where he pieces together. How he wound up in jail will that it was Eliot who put him here and that's that's when he laughed and he goes to? That's who you are that he's able to see people like that. So that's that's power number one in power number two is he's a storyteller that's what he does. He's somebody who knows how to really spin a yarn and not just knows how to spin a yarn but knows how to recognize the story. And that's why he's able to detect that there's something about Christa that's very important to Elliott. And why he shoots his assistant and called blood. Because if you can't see something so glaringly obvious. What value do you provide to me anymore? So I'm very interested to see how this is all going to shake out now. That Elliot and Vera era art due for an imminent collision. I'm open to it and I'm intrigued by it and I- posited to Elliot Villar when I had been saying on the podcast that if white roses the global problem than Vera is the local and he he agreed that there's definitely that like macro micro element to it. There's something a little more personal about the history between Vera and Elliott and. I think that that's going to come out hopefully in a way that like fuels Elliott Elliott in a big way moving forward especially in the wake of him. Having just done something pretty terrible. I wonder how that comes out in whatever conversational collision. We might be headed for in other people and Tonio are still not fully sold on the bearer of all this came to us by Jennifer Layton who said nothing against Elliot. Villar the actor who plays very. He's very very good. It's not his fault that the characters dragging his show to a screeching halt vera had a purpose in season. One killing Shayla was a breaking point for Elliott as well as a chance for us to see Elliot hacking hacking skills in action when he enjoying helped him escape from prison but then he was done. I was satisfied when he disappeared into the night when he showed up again at the end of season three. I was jolted. Why what we're done with him? I figured he must have a good reason to be back like maybe he had joined the dark army but no his mind is still in the same place. It wasn't season one and the audience has already already moved past that. It's like when you have a friend at work who's also watching Mister robot. But he's way behind on the episode so when he shows up at your office on Monday mornings it says dude they killed Angela. You're like dude. We're way past that you need to catch up. That's how I feel about Vera. He's like I want to take over New York and I want that little hacker do to help me and I'm like dude. That's so three seasons ago. Keep up at this point. The only way justify return would be to happen. Turn out to be the third entity in Elliott's mind or for Leon to show up in the next episode. Just shoot them turn to the audience and say sorry. Sorry about that. I promised we're done with them and then go back to the show. I mean listen. I'm I'm very on board for the idea of like Leon is now following following Elliott Elliott thrown into the trunk of the car and has stock Elliott whatever's going on with Fernando Vera and Leon just assassinates Fernando Carreira. Sign me up. That sounds great. It was wonderful to see joey bad ass back in the mix even if it was a kind of anticlimactic return. I thought where he just started little convenient where he just said. Oh Oh yeah. I'm a freelancer now. Yeah that's awfully convenient resigned from the dark army and be available for hire. I do love that Leon was listening to Joey. Really bad ass like that was great. That was a nice little touch. Yes you're a real king if you can listen to your own music while you're walking around. Yeah that was great. Did you read that Leon Elliot. The oxy was that with that was that was my impression. Yeah I think mine too that tracks for me for sure and the fact that Leon is freelance right now is very convenient and you've got to imagine l.. It's going to be tapping him for more stuff. It'd be very satisfying to see Leon. Turn against the dark army. Like shoot white rose break. It's nothing personal. It's just business. Like I think that you know that. There's a very ron quality to Leon right. Like you started the cell l.. Sort of the Mister robot Hebron. Yes place for the Lakers now. Yeah no yeah. He is a self sword. And but he's he's a self sort in the way that I think you wanted to prioritize Brown's loyalty deteriorate or Jamie or their family but that wasn't necessarily always the case I feel like Leeann Elliott do have a bond bond I feel like Leon does care about Elliott strange but don't be a stranger stay strange with. Don't be a stranger by the way that was if anyone felt felt like Leon. This place looks familiar. That was ron's coffee from the beginning of the pilot and it's just been re purposed so I heard the owner got into some trouble. Yeah a little spot of bother as a spot of bother or not like you do. I think we are about to find out imminently imminently whether or not the juice worth the squeeze on Fernando Vera. I really enjoyed his scenes this episode. I thought that that's a that's A. That's an actor who who has embodied that character in a really terrifying way and given the utility of him on the show has not been afforded a lot of opportunities to to really flex his muscles with a big meaty. Seen like that certainly in a very long time and I still think like probably even ever short of maybe like the The scene in prison between him and Elliot where where there were there. I haven't like their face to face conversation before he breaks out. This was really high on the list of just like the Great Fernando moments and like just how afraid you were for Christa the whole time like when he says do you guys think did she just called me a little bitch and you don't know what he's GonNa do and you love you love and care about Christa so much I'm very worried for Christa. Still I don't like her odds of getting out of this one alive. I really hope that she's able to to bust through. But it's it's dicey for sure but I think look I I don't sign on for what Jennifer is saying here. At the end the only way to justify his return would for him to be the third entity in Elliott's mind. I think I'd be pretty annoyed with that. I don't think that I would like that at all. I think that it would be very confusing. There's really no story to back that up as far as I'm concerned I don't think the plot would make any kind of sense for Verret. Be a third Elliott. But I think for like for Elliot to prepare to break Elliott in such a way that he's able to dry Out The other one. I do think that there's there's some they're they're potentially. That's what I was GonNa say and we look no advanced knowledge of this. We I have not seen the episode. It's just I feel like that is The likely place we end up and it does feel like that I. If you're talking about about I mean the what I'm basing this on the watching the episode live this week It they said next week is commercial free commercial free to me means stress It means that it's going to be a unique episode. It's going to be the episode that if they had the opportunity to stick their neck out and say commercial free and they didn't and do it for the dialogue free episode. A couple episodes ago. They were okay with commercials in that one but not in whatever is coming next then whatever is coming next x is going to be a I think a pretty significant episode and if that happens in the context of Voghera and Elliott facing off and we see some extended version of the other guy Whatever that is I think we could be in for a saying? Of course Faira worked of course These complicated characters in this guy who sees people this guy who has pushed Elliott. WHO's already on the brink and has not allowed himself anytime to breathe a put him in a truck and put him in this position While all of this was going on I and the other guy emerges that could be significant. It could derail the plans for the evening. I could derail so much of what happens. The rest of the season it could enhance them. What could becoming next with Vera in Elliott could be so significant that I think the Jews could easily be worth the squeeze and I'm not even sure the squeeze was was that expensive That cost us that much. We didn't get a ton of era this season. We've got a ton of era this episode. But as you're saying great performance just the way it was written as I said I. It sounded almost like a at times like Dr Seuss Book. Just when he was just the reciting the lines there was just so much poetry in them. There's so much power in the performance and really just such an incredible performance Gloria Reuben as well in those scenes it really just I didn't feel like we're losing. We've wondered why Sara. What's going on with Vera? I think we're going to see that but I didn't feel like in getting their this episode we were costing ourself anything. If anything I thought I just was in enwrapped in in I was in raptured by what was going on like I really felt very taken with the performances and I was scared and I was worried but I was just fascinated by. Yeah the storytelling that we're hearing so I feel like it's been a waste. It does feel like it's not the kind of watch the Birdie kind of thing like there's some other key thing thing is going on And Vera is a distraction. But I think if this distraction is what leads to US bringing the other guy out then. I don't think it'll have been a distraction in the course of the grand scheme some of the show so TVD obviously but none of that will justify Elliott actions in this episode. Obviously I for every for for people that are that. Feel that it's a bridge too far. I don't think there's much we can do. I think reckoning. We'll be doing it. Connor wrote in and said really feel like Elliott signed his his death warrant this episode full. Walter White can't see him surviving the series. I was holding out so much. Hope for a Gotcha. Moment as he was leaving Olivia's lying about the drink would have surely been enough and I tend to agree with connor although it wouldn't have been enough to make Elliott the bad guy in the way that this action clearly early did so Elliott being the bad guy going that far breaking his limit says Mister Robot has observed. I think that that is maybe necessary for for us to get what we're going to get if we get it with the other guy emerging so dvd on whether Eliot going bad and breaking bad in that way is worth it. But I think I think I think that it will be because as you pointed out and as we've discussed the show seems very cognizant of the fact that all of this was was a bridge too far. I'm a little interested though this bridge too far in many ways because of the performance because of the actress and I can't remember her name Dominique Garcia Zia Dominik Garcia. She's great she's really good in this role there's a lot of humanity and there's a lot of faith there's a lot of feeling there. There's I think a very real connection between her elliot on some level So there's a lot of their their and so as a result Elliott crosses the line he crosses and we feel like he's a villain darlene killed. Susan Jacobs in cold blood. Mind you and we don't feel that way about Darlene. We don't feel like she went the too far. Why because Susan Jacobs was bad because she had done bad things? Olivia was a different shade of Bad. She was just an enabler but not a true killer She had an addiction and a son so we feel more bad for her than we felt for. Susan Jacobs who are Brownstone and house in Greenwich like I I. This is French. Says the same action. Yeah yes though I understand Darlene killed her though cold-blood killed her knowing what was going to happen thin and called blood but a warm pool this is. This is the consequence of that right. Kill a cold blooded with a warm pool. We're only dealing with the Livia now because because we can't deal with Susan Jacobs so Dr Leans like worse action on morality scale. Her mortal sin has led to Elliott's mortal saint in this way And nobody's complaining about how Darlene how we feel about Darlene. Well we only listened buddy. We almost aren't feeling anything about Darlene anymore. Because you almost wouldn't exist exist right now. At this point in the conversation she was a second away from death a couple of times over in this episode. I DP gets the drop on her. We spend a lot out of time with dom like wrestling with the fact that she's going to have to kilter. Arlene Darlene is saying. You know things like you don't WanNa do this. You're not a killer we have. We have something special like that night. Wasn't nothing you know. It wasn't nothing and I. I don't know what to believe with all of that. I mean I do I do buy for Darlene Arlene that it probably was one of the last most recent nice things that has happened for her in its own way. But but DOM ultimately decides I'm not GONNA GONNA kill Darlene. Darlene has to kill me because if she kills me and I'm too chicken shit to do it myself. But if she kills me than my family is off the cook. It's the only way to save them and protect them and I don't think that there is any world. Darla was doing that even if Johnson the dark army hadn't walked walked in but Janice is gonNA shoot Darlene. Straighten the face if not for the fact that Darlene has erased her phone. So the only way to get to Elliott is through Darlene. visor some more more time Very clever very glad that that happened. METOO and Darlene. At this point is a little bit of a cockroach like we've we've been predicting her death. For seasons there have been portents last one standing is gonNA be Darlene Alderson. I that would be okay with me. And I at this point if you're talking like connor and feeling like Elliott signed his death warrant and maybe we could've ended with a happy ending for Elliot but now we can't because he's gone too. Who Far and compromise too much of his own morality and he will die? But darlene will live If that's the case then she will have not done it without a a lot of blood sweat and tears on her and And I'm hopeful that if that's the case that she will have come come to grips with a lot of it. Even in this episode she sees Angeles ballet shoes and sort of catches her breath right. It it it it definitely has taken a. She's taken aback by what she finds their and seize their she too is still bill processing everything that happened with Angela and she's process it in a different way and wants to talk about it in a different way. We've seen just over the course of the few days that this season takes place her dealing with it in a lot of different ways I including substance abuse. But she's I think in a different place than Elliott for sure and maybe as a result result she's able to emerge on the other side a little less less scary than Elliott has been a Elliott. Not Let himself any any any any rumor Marini real estate such that he and Mister robot are basically the same thing to the point where mister robot has Elliott In in him. More than Elliott dies in a lot of instances here her. So there's A. There's some kind of reckoning that has to come there that may be Darlene won't get because Darlene has dealt with the Angeles stuff a little more directly early. So we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA find out what happens with those characters. I just hope that speaking of reckonings Janus has got to go uh-huh yeah for sure. Edward Morris it said. Why didn't they just shoot to which Kathy atoll offers this? I am thinking they could have shot Janice too but it would have made it worse. Remember you can kill Janice till the cows come home. It's not gonNA stop the rest of them. Janice is not going to survive the series. She's GonNa she's GonNa wind up on the hook. I hope that's right. Art Do taxidermists use hooks. I I don't know if he's exhibitions. This is GonNa wind up on the taxidermy tools. I don't know what those are. Blades of some variety. She's going to be stuffed is what I'm saying that that'd be pretty cool. A lot of people wonder if she's going to a maybe a taxidermy. Someone else obviously. We've had feedback about at that that of course she's GonNa taxidermy tyrel. A lot of people have have written in about that or said that. I think it's funny. I think it's funny to. I think that she could taxidermy. Something on the show besides that poor dog She's hardcore history fan definitely. Dan Carlin that. She's listening to in this episode. ASSODE I believe for those interested parties. Who want to know more about that? I believe that as the Prophets of doom hardcore history episode forty eight Dan Carlin. They're just in the brief moment. We hear him is talking about somebody who talks to an invisible entity he's saying. This is a person who argues with an invisible entity was like how did they find like the five seconds of Dan Carlin podcast. That is perfectly tuned to Mister Robot of Great Research Squad working for Mister Robot. The writer's writer's room they're very well listened well read. I'm sure yeah well in the we the what made me talk about Gavrilo Princip. All those years ago in season two with Gideon was that I've been listening to hardcore history so here we are once against paddock. Oh and that's definitely what I'm not feeling great about being petty go with Janice but let's say lobby. What are you GONNA do? I guess I'm going to go stuff my brother's dog here as I'm house sitting tempted. I know you're tempted for sure very temperate nine to do all right well. Let's let's do support quick heads before we start the process of signing out here. Zach Brooks tweeted something to San Antonio Antonio it's the one scene of white rose in this episode where white roses talking about wanting to bring Elliott in. Its time that Eliot knows that we're both on the same side. That's very provocative and I think that that's worth talking through separately but the photo the screen shot that Brooks took and sense. Our Way on twitter has a profile shot of beatty Wong standing in front of a projector. There is there are a couple of graphs. There's one that says high probability that has like some red squiggly lines like shooting out of the air right above beatty Wong's head and then a bunch of arrows pointing to his face is a tip off that a white rose is going to go the way of so. Many people from the departed is. Is this like a full-on headshot tease. It could be like it could be A. I don't know if you if you really want to sit down and think about about how if what's the appropriate end for white rose and is it at the hands of Elliott. If it is what will it be headshot I dunno no no. It doesn't sound very in keeping there are many boundary. Go ahead death by machine right like to some degree probably like self self-immolation right like some kind kind of self self particle beam bursting thing. That seems to be more along the lines of what you would think. There are many lines. There aren't any in many boundaries we talked about Madam Executioner Darlene. As far as I know as far as we know that is one. Boundary Elliott has not crossed. He has hurt people he has manipulated. Needed them he has put them in the line of fire. He has indirectly lead to their deaths. As far as we know he is not killed. Anyone now we don't know we were told. A stray bullet killed Romero it. It seemed like Phillip Price was by accident. Nuffield Price Gideon was by accident so we don't know but as far as we know Elliott has not pulled the trigger on anybody now he tried did he certainly tried with tyrel. It's not something I think. He's incapable of but he is not done it so far as we know and yet we don't know all that much what about the other guy so td. I suppose but if that were the case if I think. A lot of people have speculated and I I it got multiple tweets about this as well maybe that it should be Elliott. That takes vera out. THAT ELLIOT IS GONNA kill Vera in. That'll be Elliott finally crossing that line. I'm wondering if that's the right if that's the right time for that to happen if it's GonNa happen or if it's more likely that it'll happen with white. Rose do you have any opinion on that not really. It's it's a little hard for me to see that future Valley taking out out or in terms of Elliott taking Phillip Price Out Phillip Price. And I keep saying I WANNA see more Phillip Price I. I'm not worried about seeing we. I don't think we've gotten our fill up price. I think that that is still on the menu. I I don't I don't think I don't think Elliott is going to be the trigger man on anyone I don't know I just. I have a hard time seeing it. I guess I could imagine this. Scenario where He decimates Voghera in that like brings the other one out is just ruthless vicious killer and like he does that right in front of Krista or something like that in the next episode food that might make people feel like bringing back was worth it to some degree if they might it might. It might not like it just. I understand people's concerns. I any concerns. I have with this show. I have taken an always learned to take a wait and see approach and not always. Are those concerns As we've talked about not always do I feel like I got what I wanted or expected out of the thing anytime. You invest a lot in theories on the show. You're not always going to be satisfied vied so it makes more sense to invest in the characters and so that's why I understand when people get upset about something like tyrel being taken off the board. Not because they had pet theories because they were so invested in that character sometimes because they have pet theories but obviously if you theorize a ton about a show your theories are never always all going to be met. Unless you're the writer of the damn show so I definitely get That that people might feel that they have They have certain things. Invested in certain outcomes. I take a wait and see approach approach when it comes to mister robot especially because the show has not let me down and actually continues to surprise me. It doesn't always mean that we're not going to get a Joanna well situation and where I've tried to wonder why she's talking to Ali a weird scene in some foreign language that the expecting him to know. We don't get a payoff on that. I don't need need all that always but it doesn't mean I'm always going to be satisfied with the decisions that show makes but I'm constantly fascinated by I'm constantly thrilled by it And so I'm constantly looking forward to it and I'm constantly dreading Josh the time when there will be no more mister robot. It is fast approaching. Tick Tock Tick Tock Speaking of Times Design Award and others wanted us to talk about how we always see characters cellphone screens. It had led to some theorizing earlier in the season I when Dr Lene seemingly new Elliott's passcode on his phone. Alex Wilpon pointed out like how did she know that is something going on with our leading. I thought maybe Charleena been dead like we go rabbit hole because why because there's product placement involved here show these phone. I think that that's it right like Mr going commercial free free next week. They got to work him in somehow. I said Mister robot is in many ways. This is an anti-capitalist show. But it's an you know capitalist world gotta gotta working in and not everything can be commercial for a fake Barbecue Company. That's true and you know I'm not gonNA mention the operating system of the cell phone provider here because I can't be bought but but you know I don't want to amplify their product placement but if that's how we're doing it on Mister robot I'm fine with it. Yeah whatever. It's it's not like the same thing we're like on the apple plus shows right now like literally every other scene it's just Jennifer. Aniston Reese Witherspoon on an apple product but I mean Mike. That's four literally apple. It's not like they're making this show for whatever phone company that they're using the right. The other thing is it's not like a super well well rated show We're lucky to have gotten four seasons through the grace of USA through. CMS males earned prestige and Rami Malik earn prestige and the prestige of the cast and crew. Through of this show. We have got four seasons. It's not because it's a ratings smash it was a breakout hit for USA in season. One it has no longer a breakout. Anything in that regard so look if it takes some product placement here for USA to stick their neck out and say you can do whatever you want. You can do a commercial the free episode so be it man so I'm okay with it anything else that you WanNa talk about either from this episode from last week or just robot in general before we start packing up when this robot and Elliott after. They've left Olivia. They've come up out of the Metro. Alexina I've stopped there. The signed wind behind them says the future has a silver lining of the Easter egg on the sign with Owen consumer industries are Omni Consumer Industries is definitely a shadow to robocop with Omni consumer products. The logo is very similar. It's there in the background. But what about the future has a silver lining. Do you feel like that's the show telling us. Look I know this seems was pretty bleak but something's cool something about to happen man. I hope so we were not something cool is about to happen like something where you're not going to be like soil sad. Maybe there's GonNa be something that does it just completely liquefy your insides Or maybe the silver lining built in with the OCP AP tie in is that we're going to get an eighty two. Oh nine showing up at some point just like blasting white rose and all the members of the day's group soup by the end of this please or just somebody bring a dirty bomb in there anything really if that if those people are getting together man I really hope yeah last saw him down dial yeah take him down. Let's do this or I don't know silver sly silver lining maybe a silver over slider God man. Unless you've got something else that's a perfect place for me to call it. We'll be back very soon. We're talking for seven in the not too distant future. That's the plus side of the fact that this robot podcast is dropping in your feet a little bit later than usual will be back at the normal time coming up for four zero seven do we. The title on that off the top of our heads. What four zero seven is going to be called looking at up right now? vamping while I do that proxy authentication required is that right. Yeah so I don't know what that means so it's like you means you don't have the proper credentials for server so I don't know if that's directly linked to what's happening with the Livia or if it means ultimately that you have to get in a different way to get in a different way kind of thing makes me think that there is going to crack Elliott. So we'll find out. Oh you know what it makes me. Think that bear thinks that he's got the the proxy authentication right like. He thinks he's got the file. He thinks that he knows how he's going to get to Elliott and instead Elliott's going to he's going to grab the bad out of his hand and use it as his own weapon in the little bitch is going to become the bully once again. Yeah I'm not locked in here with you. Oh you locked in here with me. That's exactly what's going to happen. That'll be an awesome episode. I think that could be cool. Great so we'll see the Make sure you get your feedback in to us at push recaps at AC Musar disease. When I'm at around Howard we will be back with another episode of Mister Robot? PODCAST very soon. Subscribe if you have not done so already post your recaps dot com slash. Mr Robot itunes apple feed but you can find us any where you get your podcast ratings and reviews greatly appreciated. If you like. Those watchmen references Antonio. And I are podcasting about watchmen over at the Hollywood reporter. The series regular podcast podcasts. That show has been an utter blast. And it has been very fun to podcast about with Antonio. So you have not gotten into watchmen yet or your somehow. I'm not aware that Antonio and I are podcasting about it. Now you are seek out series regular the Hollywood reporter podcast on your podcast APP of choice. I do not think you'll be disappointed with our takes. Six on watchmen. I don't think so either. Cruickshank struck shanks all right. On that note we will be back. Reporters seven in the near future. Take everybody by the.

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