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Closing Bell Brief for Wednesday, October 30th
"Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your short list of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today Ed indeed dot Com Slash W. J. that's indeed dot com slash W. S. J. here's your closing bell brief for Wednesday October thirtieth trey APP indeed used by over three million businesses for hiring post a job today at indeed dot com slash higher latest quarter to sixty four billion dollars that was fueled by a rise in sales of wearables and services such as APPs streaming music subscriptions and mobile payments those means helped offset a nine point two percent decline an iphone sales we more details on today's market activity and market analysis at wsj.com and the WS Out Jones industrials rose one hundred and fifteen points and closed at twenty seven thousand one eighty six the S. and p. five hundred rose nearly ten points the Nasdaq was up twenty seven they are whalen at the Wall Street Journal in New York. US stocks moved higher after the Federal Reserve cut interest rates again and signal to May hold off on further cuts this year the afternoon testing of Abacha baby powder that was recently recalled showed no traces of asbestos and after the closing Bell Apple reported its revenue rose one point eight percent in the shares of General Electric jumped twelve percent after the company posted a nearly ten billion dollars quarterly
NPR News: 02-23-2020 12AM ET
"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Nora Raum. Preliminary results show Bernie Sanders has handily won. The Democratic caucuses in Nevada. Joe Biden came in second with Pete Buddha judge in third place. Npr's Domenico Montanaro says it appears the Vermont. Senator is the front runner in the race for the Democratic nomination. The fact that Bernie Sanders has now won the popular. Vote in Iowa New Hampshire. Andy One Nevada. This now makes him the man to beat in this Democratic nominating contest. It's really quite something. Considering how much of an outsider he has been but he had a broad coalition in this Nevada caucus where he not only one young voters and people who identify as very liberal his core base. He won people across many different groups and categories and that is going to make him the person to beat going forward. Npr's Domenico Montanaro. The next democratic debate is Tuesday followed by the South Carolina. Primary on Saturday Sandra's already moved on to Texas. One of fourteen states voting on Super Tuesday next month mallory. Faulk for member station K. R. A. was at a rally in El Paso. Sanders spoke at a packed concert hall downtown just hours before he visited a memorial to the twenty two people who were killed at a local Walmart last August. He linked that mass shooting which targeted Mexicans to attacks on a black church in Charleston and a synagogue in Pittsburgh then he brought up gun control. Sanders has faced some criticism for his record on the issue. But on this occasion he called for background checks. People with violent backgrounds should not be owning guns. We're GONNA end the gun. Show Loophole Sandra's has several events here in Texas ahead of Super Tuesday voting on March Third Frontier News. Mallory Falk and Al Paso the officer tasked with helping the State of Florida prepare for the effects of climate change has been named president. Trump's new homeland security adviser Jillian Nashua was appointed floridas first ever chief resilience officer last summer. Brendan rivers from member. Station W. J. C. T. in Jacksonville has more on the story in her new role. She'll be advising the president on Homeland Security and counterterrorism but in a text message. Nationwide said she'll also be continuing her work on resiliency coordinating efforts like hardening infrastructure at the national level. She appeared on. Wjc tease adapt podcast last month. You look at higher sees stronger storms. It's all interconnected. It's interconnected to our energy systems interconnected to education to our health. Clean Water Natural Resources. We have to consider all these variables in aspects when it comes to this. Holistic approach to climate change for national the Homeland Security Post is a return to Washington as deputy assistant secretary of state. She helped launch the first federal energy resources bureau for NPR news. I'm Brendan rivers in Jacksonville. This is NPR news from Washington. The Census Bureau is joining forces with the Federation of Pediatric Organizations to make sure all young children living in the country are accounted in the twenty twenty census NPR's handily long reports. They're stressing that communities that undercount children could lose out on federal money for health care and food assistance infants toddlers and other kids under five had the highest net undercount of any age group for the last census in twenty ten according to the Census Bureau estimates by the Bureau tried to promote the twenty twenty count and Cleveland with students from wait park school and the state salvage Serbian community. Children's Choir Bureau says anyone board honor before I should be counted where they live and sleep most of the time but the census often misses kids. Who stay in more than one home or don't have one. Most households are expected to be able to fill out census forms starting march twelfth on Zee Lung. Npr News health authorities in South Korea reported another one hundred twenty three new cases of the corona virus. Saturday reported its fourth death in the country. Meanwhile the death toll in Iran climbed to six in Italy about a dozen towns are effectively on lockdown as authorities struggled to contain the virus. Hundreds of people there are in quarantine. The Corona virus began in China in December. It spread to more than two dozen other countries since. Then I'm Nora Raum. Npr News in Washington.
Morning Brief for Friday, October 25th
"INDEED DOT COM slash W. J. that's indeed dot com slash W. S. J.. I'm Anne Marie for totally for the Wall Street Journal the White House is are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your short list of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today. Attorney General William Bars Review into the origins of the Russia investigation has evolved into a criminal probe we report that it's not yet clear what prompted the of our other stories please head to our website wsj.com or the WSJ APP indeed used by over three million businesses for hiring change or what evidence of a crime may have been found the status change of the investigation means prosecutors now have subpoena power for more details on these and oilfields in the Country House Democrats are defending their closed-door impeachment interviews but say they hope to hold public proceedings before Thanksgiving marker reversal for president trump who ordered the withdrawal of US troops earlier this month trump said earlier this week that a few US soldiers would remain in Syria to protect lawmakers have scheduled additional private depositions next week Republicans held a protest Wednesday to demand the investigation be conducted in public littering options in Syria including leaving about five hundred US troops in the northeastern part of the country and sending battle tanks and equipment. The options would.
Closing Bell Brief for Thursday, October 17th
"Ed Indeed Dot Com Slash W. J. that's indeed dot com slash W. S. J.. Here's your closing bell brief for Thursday October seventeenth are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your short list of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today forward with plans to close three idol US factories shares of Morgan Stanley rose one and a half percent after beating analysts earnings estimates in Netflix shares climbed analysis at wsj.com and the WSJ APP indeed used by over three million businesses for hiring post a job. Today I'm Jay Waylon and the newsroom of the Wall Street Journal in New York solid earnings reports and a possible brexit deal push stocks higher the Dow Jones Industrials Rose Twenty four point and a half percent a day after reporting solid earnings and an expansion of its domestic and international subscriber basis. We have more details on today's market activity and marketing order percents and attentive labor deal united auto workers employees will see wage gains as well as no increase in employee contributions to health benefits. GM will also move it's closing at twenty seven thousand and twenty five the broader s and p five hundred was up eight points and the Nasdaq finished thirty three shares of GM fell about one hundred.
Closing Bell Brief for Wednesday, October 23rd
"Eh indeed dot com slash W. J. that's indeed dot com slash W. S. J.. Here's your closing bell brief for Wednesday October the twenty third are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your short list of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today eighty seven dreamliner next year because of weakening demand shares of Caterpillar rose about one percent despite the company cutting its profit forecast for this year the maker eighty five hundred is up about eight points and the Nasdaq finished fifteen Boeing shares rose one percent despite reporting the quarterly profits fell more than fifty percent of and market analysis wsj.com and the WSJ APP indeed used by over three million businesses for hiring to roll tariffs back this year it expects there will still be what it calls a meaningful slowdown going into the first half twenty twenty we more details on today's market I'm Jr whalen and the newsroom of the Wall Street Journal in New York the Dow Jones Industrials Rose Forty six points and closed at twenty six thousand eight thirty four the broader s and construction and mining equipment says customers are holding off on big purchases due to global economic uncertainty and UBS says even if the US and China strike a deal with the plane maker says it's still hopes to get regulatory approval this year for the return of Seven thirty-seven Max jet it also plans to trim production of its wide-body seventy.
Closing Bell Brief for Monday, October 7th
"Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your short list of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today eh indeed dot com slash W. J. that's indeed dot com slash W. S. J.. Here's your closing bell brief for Monday October seventh three million businesses for hiring post a job today at indeed dot com slash higher twenty six points and the S&P five hundred was down thirteen the SNP was weighed down by losses among shares of food and drink producers constellation brands fell two point many also slipped more than expected in August and shares of GE closed virtually unchanged following news the company plans to freeze pensions for about twenty thousand employees. We have more details on today's market activity plus market analysis at wsj.com and the WSJ APP indeed used by they are willing in the newsroom of the Wall Street Journal in New York. The Dow Jones industrials fell ninety six points and closed at twenty six thousand four seventy two the Nasdaq finished off in six percents while lamb west and holding slips two point four percent and Mandalay international finished down one point six percent economic data released on Monday heightened investors worries about the direction of the global economy European auto parts maker continental is closing production plants in several countries factory orders and.
Closing Bell Brief for Tuesday, October 22nd
"Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your short list of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today eh indeed dot com slash W. J. that's indeed dot com slash W. S. Jay. This is your closing bell brief for Tuesday October Twenty second I'm Charlie Turner suit for hiring post a job today at indeed dot com slash higher is an ended the day up by over six and a half percent for more head to wsj.com or the WSJ APP indeed used by over three million until early next year earning season is heating up McDonald said its quarterly same store sales jumped six percent but it's profit fell short of analyst forecasts procter and gamble said sales rose across all of its business lines and its latest quarter as consumers continue to pay higher prices for household goods lift. CEO Logan Green says he expects it's in California it comes as lift and larger rival Uber Technologies have been under pressure from investors to show a path to profitable growth lift stock jumped on the news x plane stand deal had Boeing services unit will succeed mcallister who joined the planemaker about three years ago the executive reshuffled comes on the eve
Closing Bell Brief for Tuesday, October 29th
"Ed Indeed Dot Com Slash W. J. that's indeed dot com slash W. S. J.. Here's your closing bell brief for Tuesday October Twenty Ninth I'm Charlie Whelan are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your short list of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today this at wsj.com and the WGN APP indeed used by over three million businesses for hiring post a job today off two and a half points and the Nasdaq fell forty nine general motors shares rose foreign a quarter percent despite reporting that the forty day strike by U. A. W. Workers cost the automaker three billion dollars and forced to cut its two thousand nineteen profit forecast Google Parent Alphabet fell almost two and a half percent after playmakers handling of internal concerns about a flight control system that investigators say led to crashes we more details on today's market activity and market analysis in the newsroom of the Wall Street Journal in New York. The Dow Jones Industrials Fell Nineteen points closing at twenty seven thousand seventy one meanwhile the S. and P. Five hundred was third quarter report showed that rising costs at some of its long-held investments outpaced online advertising sales growth bowing shares climbed more than two and order percents even while CEO. Dennis Malmberg face sharp questions about the companies
Morning Brief for Tuesday, October 29th
"Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your short list of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today. Ed Indeed Dot Com Slash W. J. that's indeed dot com slash W. S. J. I'm Anne Marie for totally for the Wall Street Journal the Federal Reserve begins on Tuesday when he set to appear before the Senate Committee on Commerce Science and Transportation He's expected to tell lawmakers this week than Boeing made mistakes that contributed said to our website wsj.com or the WSJ APP indeed used by over three million businesses for hiring post a job read we'll hear from Fed Chair Jerome Powell at the conclusion of the meeting on Wednesday Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg faces the first of two congressional hearings this week it's two day policy meeting on Tuesday where the Central Bank is expected to make its third rate cut this year the Fed has been keeping a close eye on slowing global growth and uncertainty over which make up more than eighty percent of its sales jewell is also planning to make cuts to its marketing budget and invest in new ways to reduce underage use for more details the two fatal crashes of seven thirty seven Max jets Tuesday's hearing comes exactly one year after the crash of a Lion Air Max into the Java Sea e e cigarette maker jewel is expected to cut five hundred jobs by the end of the year we report that the comments come as the company prepares for a proposed ban on most of its flavors.
Midday Brief for Thursday, October 24th
"Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes. Set up screener questions than zero in on your short list of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today. Ed Indeed Dot Com Slash W. J. that's indeed dot com slash W. S. J.. I'm Anne Marie for totally in the newsroom at the Wall Street Journal Troubles Ogling permits for more details and to our website wsj.com or the WSJ APP indeed used by over three million businesses according to a predictor of remodeling spending the lending indicator for remodeling activity predicts renovation and maintenance spending will decline over the next year for the ABC's next president home improvement retailers like Home Depot and Lowe's have done well during an underwhelming period for retail stocks but that may soon chain central bank is holding short-term interest rates steady amid an economic slowdown in the region growth has been hurt by international tensions including trade wars and Brexit this zirs increased by six million people to one hundred forty five million shares fell roughly eighteen percent in early trading after twitter reported earnings the Europeans first time in a decade the index which is a barometer of the housing market takes several factors into account including sales of existing homes housing starts and residential twitter's AD business led to a sharp slowdown in revenue growth in the latest quarter the social media companies and business was hurt by technical glitches but it's number of daily meeting also marks the last for ECB president Mario Draghi who's eight year term ends on October thirty first former French Finance Minister Christine Lagarde will be the key.
Closing Bell Brief for Friday, October 11th
"Eh indeed dot com slash W. J. that's indeed dot com slash W. S. Jay. This is your closing bell brief for Friday October Eleventh I'm Charlie Turner for the are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your short list of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today million businesses for hiring post job today at indeed dot com slash higher decision to withdraw from the network last week for more head to wsj.com or the WSJ APP indeed used by over three network Mastercard Visa Ebay and Payments Company Stripe are all dropping out of the coalition of companies facebook enlisted to launch libra the departures follow pay pals billion dollars in US agricultural products and would open itself further to international financial services progress was also reported on intellectual property the phase one in highs after the agreement was announced Friday afternoon the Dow Jones industrials closed up three hundred nineteen points at twenty six thousand fifteen Nasdaq composite jumped one hundred l. to de escalate the trade fight with China Mr Trump said the US would hold off on wrapping up tariffs next week he added the China agreed to purchase forty billion to fifty agreement will be signed in three to five weeks. Mr Trump said after a meeting with China's vice premier at the White House a major blow to facebook's planned Labor Crypto Currency Payments Wall Street Journal stocks ended up sharply Fridays the US and China announced a trade agreement hopes for a deal had sent the major indexes soaring during the day but they finished off their says next the SNP gained thirty two for the week both the Dow and Nasdaq added nearly one percent. The SAP gained two thirds percent president trump announced what he called the first phase of it.
Closing Bell Brief for Monday, October 21st
"Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your short list of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today eh indeed dot com slash W. J. that's indeed dot com slash W. S. Jay. This is your closing bell brief for Monday October. Twenty first I'm Charlie Turner equipment from sparking wildfires for more head to wsj.com or the WSJ APP indeed used by over three million businesses for coming weeks to line up behind the plan which would strip pg any of its status as an investor owned company and turn it into a nonprofit electric and gas cooperative the the Nasdaq composite gained seventy three points the S&P five hundred rose twenty points to close over three thousand the Wall Street Journal says we will export is expected to me Tuesday is expected to fill two competing loan package that would bring together a group of outside Investors San Jose California is proposing to convert PG any into the companies two way emergency financing options they include a takeover by Softbank that would slash the office based companies valuation to about Eight Billion Dollars and alleviate for the Wall Street Journal stocks began the week on a positive note with technology shares leading the way the Dow Jones Industrials Rose Fifty Seven points to twenty six thousand eight twenty seven largest customer owned utility. That's what San Jose Mayor Sam Lucado told the journal Monday. The most populous city served by hopes to persuade other cities and counties coming cash crunch Softbank's offer value we work at less than half of what the company had been looking to fetch in a now scrapped initial public offering the Journal ads the J. P. Morgan Chase L. proposal amounts to a revolt by some PG's roughly sixteen million customers as the company struggles to keep the lights on and provide basic services while preventing its aging electric.
MIN Outlook w/ Jon Krawczynski; IND Outlook w/ J. Michael
"I time to talk a little Wolf's now with the athletics expert on all things Minnesota particularly the wolves John Krasinski how you doing. How's it going man doing really well. Well didn't really well good to be back. I was in your fair town actually for less than twenty four hours so I didn't have time to say hi but I did have some pretty good pizza pizza at Young Joni which I understand better places in AD MINNESOTA. That's one of the best we have absolutely so you picked right. You had the right guidance. Whoever gotcha there so now I need to spend some more time there and it was my sister by the way who works at this great restaurant in Chicago called deletes and is and she she knows like the the best restaurants in every city. She's like really deep in the restaurant industry but yeah I got to spend a little more time there at some point preferably during the summer because I'm told that like the food losing their is fantastic. It is like people do underrated be the kind of everyone who hasn't been here imagines the twin cities in Minneapolis in particular debris like Hof from Star Wars. Just this frozen out post and look. It's really cold here but everyone who comes here an spends. A little time is like Oh the this is pretty nice because great theater an awesome food like it is a there there's a bunch of vary eclectic nick high end restaurants and and even just like middle-of-the-road restaurants that are out of this world so people are always surprised by it but I'm always happy happy to give people the tour of it when they come just to open their eyes a little bit to what we have to offer here outside of ice and snow so is that why Gerson Roses decided decided to take this wolves president best ball operations trump. I think so although from what I understand one of his the early meals that he had here was some home cooking from Glenn Taylor the owner's wife Becky in Mankato at their house so that was the deal the meal deal that closed the deal for the Rosa's so I don't he's always said these told me that he's a Foodie and that he he wants to get after these these great restaurants and stuff but I think that there were few other factors. That may have just been a little bit higher on his list when he was looking at who wanna come here. Why not do oh yeah. It was an interesting. GM searched they had some candidates Michael winger among them who you know ended up not even interviewing doing but it did seem like roses at least had a the wolves ahead of the wizards because he kind of did this interview in the woes thing was was all but wrapped up what was your impression of the GM search in in particular as a related to some of the past searches that they've had yeah. It was really unique especially to what tim rules have normally done but I think really kind of unique around the league as well when you cut it examined some of the ways in processes behind searching for for these jobs and look. It's it's a it's a difficult thing to do to find the right person to to run organization. You can make mistakes in the past typically Gwen Taylor. The owner has has been a little more unilateral in the way that he's operated aided with with these searches you know he hired Flip Saunders because he knew flip saunders and he was comfortable. He's always been kind of a guy who prefers refers to have a working relationship in a personal relationship with those who who work for him but e- both as a coach and as a as a as a big time executive executive in so he hired Kevin McHale because he was a local guy that he got to know back in the day but I think after flip passed away. Glenn was sort of encouraged to go outside of the box and not to just bring in someone who who he knew who is in the country club as kind of his derisively. I simply referred to around here and so he hired a search firm to conduct the search for Tom Sibito and he obviously did not like how that process played out he didn't really trust a search firm to to execute another search after getting someone that would just was the poor fit for what the the way the timber wolves run when they brought in Tom Sibito yeah it seemed like there was a struggle with the dough and Taylor just from a personal standpoint yeah and so I mean in in in fairness to tibbs he he came in here and he was exactly who he is like I mean it didn't heed need. It shouldn't have surprising when he was the same guy was in Chicago correct yeah exactly but the I think the search firm did a poor job of identifying qualities that that would have appealed to Glenn Taylor as much as just looking for someone to be a headliner and say hey look. We got TOM SIBITO TO MINNESOTA. Look at us us kind of a thing I think that was the you know the the search firms motivation from the start and so it just didn't work out so this time around. Are you implying that at these search firms like don't actually do any better of a job than like someone who just like read. NBA twitter regularly do not even trying to beat around that Bush. That's exactly what I'm saying made. Some research groups are just. I actually told Glen after after tibbs was hired. I said you know whatever you paid need that search term. Glenn I you paid me a half of that and I would have said hey tom. SIBITO is out there. Maybe you WanNa look at him and and so that's just CIA. The eye of these things are often a sham especially in the college game why Doggone when really what they are is is a means of of the people people who are employing them as covering their own asses and while here hey this is what was recommended to us so it's not my fault that it didn't work out and all I'm I'm definitely down on search firms in general particularly the one led by Jedd Hughes when it comes to the NBA but so yeah so with all of that said all of that kind of disaster behind them the one thing that Glenn had going for him this time around was when when when they hired Thompson Video Glenn was in the process of transitioning CEO's from Rob Moore who was a member of the family in kind of this non factor guy in in in the operations of the business department and was kind of responsible for bringing David Kahn and Dan and that was another disaster and so he transitioned any higher Ethan Cassen who had worked here before in the lower levels of the business side that went to run the forty niners business side for awhile and then came back here to Sarsour. He was hired. Actually after Thompson was hired but a basically Glenn has okay great relationship with Ethan. They have a lot of trust built up in so Glenn empowered Ethan to run this search this time and they wanted to they felt that that would give them a better chance to get someone who fit well with what they wanted. and in one just be recommended as a way eighty to kind of get a flashy higher from from some outside firm that had no idea how the wolf's operate and so two Ethan's credit. What he did was understood that Hey I don't know basketball like I'm not sure you know I I have an idea of of names and things but I don't know the inner workings ends of the basketball operations. I need help with that and so he hired Ethan hired Jim Peterson who was the timber wolves analyst a color analyst for the for the television of broadcast as kind of a conciliatory for the business for the basketball side of things to help him with that and and Jim does not work for the timber wolves he is young boy by Fox sports north ski so it was kind of an unconventional conventional move to include him in that process but they have had a long term relationship. They trust each other implicitly so they brought he brought Jason Brought Jim into the mix he also added John. Thomas who does work for the timber wolves at off former former Minnesota forward John Thomas US former Minnesota Gopher forward little had a cup of coffee with the wolves here were trump played for Toronto in the Nixon a few other teams a little bit and he is kind of more in the a youth basketball development role here with with a timber wolves and so he brought a basketball perspective but then he also assembled kind of an eclectic a group of advisers in this committee of yet an HR person he had you know people of color he women on the on the on the search committee media they they just kind of tried to call big list down to five or six people and then bring them into interview and had all sorts of different their perspectives to bring to the table to try and consider everything that they could think of in what they wanted from a basketball top basketball ball executive. Ben Gerson Rosa's came in Chauncey billups Trajan Langdon they had Michael winner on and and I think Steve Balmer kinda sweet and the plot to keep him with the clippers and keep him from interviewing here so they had several people that came in to interview the other Calvin booth from Denver was another one who came came to interview and so ultimately and I'll tell you nate to to kind of put a nail in this process part of the situation from at the very start start. I don't think Kirsten Ross was number. One on the list I think Chauncey billups and Calvin booth oh throughout history in Minnesota the leaders in the clubhouse the house but Gerson Rosa's won the job through his interviewing through the process of it and one some people over in ultimately. He's the guy that they decided to go with yeah. I've referred to row says the perpetual candidate because he's had so many interviews and then he had that that odd stint in Dallas where it didn't work out he back with the rockets like four months after taking the job in doubt the WHO's GonNa be the number one basketball decision-maker douses pretty high up a is my recollection and so I mean I guess that does speak wealth the process of ways that you know there was a process someone was able to go through that and actually change. They're standing by going through that process awesome so what is your assessment of the Rosa's Era to date here. It's bad nita a just complete opposite from the SIBITO. Scott layden regime in a lot of ways nate you know they I think rose came in and understood that you in in the previous regime it was very much the basketball operations operate in their own little cocoon and don't really interact with other parts search of the organization and so they really alienated business side they alienated the Taylor family. They alienated the players to some extent in terms of the lack of communication that was going on there and so what the the timber was wanted in what you often see in these regime changes is the pendulum swinging from one end to the other end so gerson roses come in and has been very available very accessible to all parts of the organization to the media to players in terms of trying to communicate vision way things out make people feel sort of a part of in this whole operation and really has gotten people on the same page again and I think the early impressions that way have been very good would the building some sense of cohesion Income Camaraderie. That just wasn't here before now that said we don't know how that's going to translate slate immediately on the court in terms of wins and losses. I mean you just look at the Chicago Bulls when they fired tibbs. Everyone was doing black backflips in Chicago because they got the ornery grump and here comes. Fred Hoiberg and things are going to be so different in it's going to be open and it's going to be more community and all those things in the house that worked out for them so far so from from a competitive standpoint is it's really impossible to say but just throw may culture standpoint from from mass side of things. I think that the everyone is much more in the same boat now where it was totally fractured previously and I think the the new the new regime has done a lot of Nice thing that they've been working harder on the margins than some of the previous regimes. Did you like like Noah von Lay Jordan bell getting Sh- CHAZ NAPIER AND TRIVIA ENGRAM for nothing claiming tie Wallis off waivers those Sir all kind of Nice moves to maybe take the shah's Apia they got for free. It's GonNa be their backup point. Guard this year you know so those are those are that were they actually did not only they get a pre actually got paid to take so those are all guys who might contribute and kind of low cost flyers especially for a team. That's capped out as they are with some of the the big salaries that have been contributing to that level so far the only thing that I thought the biggest thing was picking someone with the number six pick and and this this is I want to get your thoughts on this because I thought hey kobe white is right there. They just traded up for this. Pick gave up charts. That's not that much to give up brilliant move. They need a point guard who can shoot play next Karl. Anthony towns they've no other way getting long-term point guard on this roster and then they picked jerk culver instead so what are your thoughts on that series. He's a of moves and I I didn't like culver as much personally but obviously the organization is very high yeah. I think you know when you look at that move in that decision in particular particular I thought too when they when they traded up to six first of all I really think that in their heart of hearts if they were to be honest with everyone that they were hoping Darius starwood fallen to six. They didn't think they were hoping that Cleveland would not take him because they already had call him. Sexton you know are they. GonNa take two point guards and I thought that was a great move by Cleveland to take him even though they do that sucks and but yeah and it's surprised me as well yet and so so they got up there and saw all man we you know we might be able to get they did have conversations with Cleveland about trying to get up to five and just found the asking price too high and so they went to six. I thought you know we're GonNa roll the dice in trying get see if garland falls falls to hear would they have told me and in from multiple angles is that they they really viewed this as a five player draft and that they thought there was a big drop off between their fifth player on the board presumably jared culver and number six and so they clearly did not have de'andre hunter in the top five when they value thanks so they knew that Atlanta was taken hunter at four that they were going to get up to six in have either a chance to get Borland who they would have preferred war. They were gonNA take culver so now they're evaluation is that they sank culver. Eventually is just going to be a much better player than Kobe White. Item was a big Kobe the White Fan I really just love the way that he comes from North Carolina offense that is so based on moving the basketball and sharing and then he showed it pushing the pace as well. He's I love. I love a lot about him. They made an evaluation that culver was clearly head and shoulders above and they it felt that where they are in their development with the absolute need to get studs around towns in any capacity they had to take the best player available in there is over a position of need which was point guard clearly the bigger of need for them. They believe that culver can be the L. A. Komo guard where he can initiate some offense that he can make plays. He ran point guard at Texas tech for for for some time. We'll see how that works out. They'll be judged over that over the next couple of years about how these to develop but they really liked his work ethic they liked his versatility liked his defense a plot for a team that really struggled defensively as well and so that was their decision and that's how they came to it. We'll have to see if over the next couple of years if they made the right one or yeah and obviously you have to stick with your own evaluation you shouldn't I think at the point that they're at right now be drafting for they do still have some time with Karl. Anthony towns sounds extension just chick kicking this year and they've got five more years of him right now so that's. I think that's what you have to do. You follow your process. I I just happened to their ultimate conclusion but I could very easily be wrong a just as much as they could. so how do you see actually a quick break and then we can get into their prospects for this year and some of the offseason moves so. I'm back home after that long road trip and my backfield's great again because I'm back with by helixsleep mattress. It was made specially for me fire their two minute sleep quiz. It matches your body. Type Your sleep preferences in the perfect mattress for you. 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It doesn't mean that MINNESOTA'S GONNA be Houston north. I do have some of my own ways of looking at things in some deviation from what we did in Houston to what it is not really. He's not really that much of an analytics guy necessarily that's not necessarily his background despite being in Houston more scouting definitely than than analytics for Gerson. He did bring in session. Gupta who is definitely steeped in and editors number two but yeah he's definitely more on the scouting inside but one thing that is clear. That is the same from Houston. Is that sort of star hunting mentality that you know that that aggressiveness. Ns in terms of when we think that there is someone that is available to that may be might be available to them that that is a big upgrade from whatever they have. They're going after it much like their Maury. One asked went went after continues to go after everyone in the son who who he thinks axes a talented player on the walls did not have the salary cap space immediately. They did not have a necessarily A. Hey wait a fit him in right away but that didn't stop them from going to. La Chartering a helicopter trying to throw everything they had at the Ngelo Russell will to get him here because they believe that as a twenty three year old he's the same age as Karl Anthony towns. He's on the same time line in terms of development as towns that he would have fit in that they could if they could have landed him they could have also opened some other doors to go get some other talent that maybe maybe would've or complemented towns as well and so they're just going to be super aggressive in trying to pursue those opportunities. Obviously they missed the rockets have missed plenty of times it whether it's Lebron or Carmelo or or Chris Bosh or any number of other trades they tried to trade for Jimmy Butler last year when when the wolves put him on the market and couldn't get it done so they're just going to be unabashed and unapologetic in their pursuit of these types of scenarios without what they say is being reckless like they've been get involved in the westbrook sweepstakes this summer. They didn't get it. They haven't been involved in Chris. Paul talks because they think those guys are a little two more advanced in age but they just they really thought he was. GonNa fit in wealthier towns in the Angelo Russell or close. They're good bodies and so they went hard after after him in they did they. They really thought going into that meeting that they were going to get him. It was a you know the the warriors really pull the rug out from under them and so it was it was a shock to their system but one that I you can expect them to try and get involved down the road when they're all they're fairly young players that become I'm available. I E A Bradley beal. Whoever else might be out there eventually you can expect the wolves to be trying to pursue these guys whether they have an easy way of getting them or not so it's a great way of looking at it and you know certainly they are a little low on assets right now a little low on space though once Jiang being and tieger off the books and a couple years. Maybe it'll look a little bit different. Towns will still three years left on his deal as of that point Oh this is an aside here you any idea why towns wasn't able to or didn't want to get a player option on his extension that five year deal. You know what that's a great question. I've tried to find that out myself and haven't gotten a great answer on it. I think that the the timber wolves were sort of really dug in on that side of the equation Dan in good negotiating by them in that case Yup that hey look if we're going to commit all of this money to you show that you're hearing that you're all in. You've said publicly likely that you love you. Love it in Minnesota that you you don't necessarily see yourself as a guy who has to have the bright lights in the big city while the if we're going to be able to build a team him around you the way to do that is have you totally committed for five total years and towns. Did I mean this one right down to the wire. He wasn't very happy with the situation. It wasn't happy with tips at the time he still ultimately decided to make that happen and and yet good on the timber wolves for for being able to do that because that is a big step for them in terms of trying to rebuild this thing and and and reconfigure this thing on the fly imagine in how different Anthony Davis's or quite Leonard's situations might have been these last couple of years if they had just done five full years instead of getting a player option so towns is common including the U in which is indicated you know again that he's trying to build something in Minnesota but he also something that as as we turn more to this year's team in its fortunes saying that basically he feels like he's kind of been held back and I forget what percentage he said he was the. I've only been doing sixty percent forty percents some comically low number yeah right yeah Carl. You'RE GONNA average. sixty points is here but I think why did he feel that way and and how are things going to be different now in his eiser or browsers yeah so. I mean I think that when he was looking at it under temps they they bring in Jimmy Butler and as soon as Butler arrived really the entire plans revolved around him and his his playmaking ability his shot making his defense. Everything revolved around Jimmy and look Jimmy's a great player and in in some ways you don't you can't blame Tim's for wanting to do that. If Jimmy fit chips a system in what what he thought was the way to to win ballgames there were plenty plenty of games. May in the Jimmy baller era where towns was taken eleven shots a game twelve shots a game and meanwhile towns is like by far the most efficient player that they have in a Lotta Times towns was either relegated to just posting up or a little little pick and pop and shooting some threes and so what Karl Anthony towns believes is that he can do so much more than that he and Yoga Chevy rivalry aw they they. I don't know if they care for each other all that much there is sort of this butting of heads as these two versatile young biggs and and I think that towns believes that if he's put in the right system he can be a Yokich type player in terms of passing the ball He has been working a lot this summer on ballhandling. Ryan Sanders says said there's going to be some scenarios where he is actually a ball handler in the pick and roll he they he they also want towns to be able to start the initial break sometimes when he grabs along rebound you can take it on the floor himself so he's going to have the ball in his hands a lot more and and I think that's what we're talking about is a an offense that really kind of revolves around him and really need. They don't have much choice choice. Because who else do they have right so you have this player who is legit a top ten to twelve player in terms of offensive capabilities the League I might even higher than that frankly tops eight or seven just in terms of offense but then around him are a bunch of really really limited offensive players is going to be the Karl. Anthony towns show this year and he has an opportunity to have just a monster offensive season in the way that they're building this thing around him and I think that's what he's getting at. I mean forty percent young who knows about that that exact number but he does think luke that he has a lot more show and the timberwolves are going to give him that opportunity to show all of those skills when I think the other way in which you could say he wasn't maximize where some of the lineups around him in this team for years has had a chronic lack of shooting play him next to gorge orgy. Jiang they play him next to Taj Gibson who tried to stretch it out at least on the corners but you know he's not being respected there. you know. Andrew Wiggins struggled to shoot the ball. They've a- Kogi who you know. We'll see where we're his. Shot is at Summer League wasn't too encouraging there but you know I it's and this parade of wings who are mediocre shooter's at best so I think now and with Covington out last year we didn't really get to see him play at all in the Ryan Saunders era but they're good when coming in was there so I think the personnel certainly is going to help there as well so who do you see rounding out the starting lineup for for this group now yeah. It's GonNa be interesting to see what they do with the fourth of the five spots on any. It's obviously I think it's tedious. Point Guard wiggins on the wing and then Covington Saunders has said that they like the idea of Covington at the four in a small lineup ought to try and stretch smell things around towns a little bit more they really have no other options shooting wise so I I do think you're GonNa see a lot of that and then I think it really does come down to that that other spot nate is gonNA probably be Panamian flocks especially in the early part of the season to see what works the best but the the the options are if you want defense which this team has historically been one of the worst defensive teams in the league last ever. If you want defense maybe it's a Kogi and so you have a pit bull limiter defense to complement of the rest of those that that group if you want kind of offensive you've playmaking. Maybe it's culver culver in that in a in that spot or the other the other guy that a lot of people are talking up right now in terms of the summer that that he's had his Jake Lehman because they like his ability to move without the ball to cut to the basket to open things up that what we saw from the wolves in in summer league was a team that really does Wanna move the ball and have a lot more motion in their offense than they had these previous three years or a lot of it was Butler and teague derrick rose rose triple in the air out of the ball and so if that's important to them maybe Lehman is the guy that they plug in there in spots and gives them some switch ability defensively Sui as well with his size and so they're going to kind of rotate through or finally nate if they if they have to go big if they're playing Memphis or Detroit or somebody like that maybe a Noah von lay in that in that starting lineup and gives them a little more toughness and a little more rebounding next it Karl Anthony towns so I think that they don't have a clear cut guy that belongs there and so I think you're gonNA see Multiple Looks Ryan Saunders in the in the sample as we saw last year will play unbelievably creative in different lineups from you know from quarter one to quarter four enthralled Kinda. Throw the noodles against the wall and see what sticks so. I think there's GonNa be a lot of variation that we see depending on matchups depending on who's playing well while together and it's GonNa take some time for that to sort out the thing that sticks out to me looking at this roster and Karl Anthony Towns Joey. He's been a top ten offense by himself basically for most of his career and you know point guard your maybe Jeff T K can come back we give him. The benefit of the doubt at Napier is a fine backup point guard but at the two through four positions you really have at violin thought was okay as a backup center last year but as as four you know he's not really GonNa Robert. COVINGTON is really the only player at the two through four positions who even really is given you quality rotation minutes last year you know. I I mean Kogi showed. It's a promise but offensively yet weakens head just terrible season under we'll talk more about him but so they are really really dependent on in Covington and you know they had some departures. Obviously they had a little more depth last year but it's obvious why as soon as he went down their season was done as well. I think that they're just incredibly dependent upon him again this year to provide two way play at those two through four positions yeah absolutely and you remember nate when when he and SARS first came over over in November of last year they had about eleven or twelve game run where they were playing top ten defense during that very small sample size because Covington Livingston was just an unbelievable pterodactyl just swooping around and covering for everyone and helping towns and and blocking shots in lock in a perimeter guys in and also hitting three pointers as well and when he went down you everything went with it and he did not play as as you said under Ryan Saunders and so he is he is the second best player he's remarkably important to what they do on both ends in terms of spacing on the offensive end in terms of defensive intensity on the other end of the floor and so you could either put him at the four in to help him you have him help towns and an attack him that way or you can put him on the perimeter and help teague. Who's that particularly good defensively with some of the quicker point guards they just they need him him to be healthy this season for them to have a chance to surprise people and Beep Kinda plucky more competitive fringe playoff team and ah I think there are some concerns about his knee long term and how that's going to hold up right now. There's optimism in town is working out and everything is good but if he can stay healthy. There are different team. He showed that last year I'll immediate impact can be and so to have him around will be critical for for them to be staying relevant going into this season. Yeah Gerson Rosen's say that both teague who had a foot and ankle procedure at the end of last year at Covington are on track for training camp with no restrictions as as should be the case given the timetables that were announced at the time they they had those procedures. Let's talk about Tieger. They're very reliant on him. They obviously wanted to upgrade their. He probably smartly opted to nineteen million too bad for him that he had such an injury hit year because I think you know given the money that some point guard Scottie could have gotten a a nice new deal but he's now getting into his early Thirties I mean can we write off last year's declined because I thought he was actually pretty good at his first year with the wills who write off last year's to Clyde is just a product product of the injuries or do you think this is the new level for him where he's not necessarily going to be providing adequate production as well. I do think that that you can track chocolate up to the injuries last year because when he like when he did play in when he was healthy they had a winning record last year. It was like twenty four and twenty or something like that or a right around. Those lines in this is a team that won thirty six games so that tells you that he can be impactful when when he is out there and when he's playing and he's kind of a weird guy to get a handle on because he he's a little bit moody go through these stretches. There's kind of a joke that that a few but Robson and I have you know here one. We're watching Wolf Games. Is that no there's there is no better player in the league than Jeff teague after he's turned the ball over because a stupid pass when he's he's terrible post entry passer he gets at least one or two picked off the game trying to enter into the post whenever he does then he like turns into light this hyper guy and gets a steal seals back goes the length of the floor three point play like like guarantee. You can set your watch to it but he didn't. He averaged a career high point to assist last year and there is hope within the wolves organization that ads he's going into a contract here. Is that ankle in. Florida's is healthy that he can be a good point guard for them can he. CBS top eight point Arlene probably not point guards are very deep position the league right now what he can definitely show more than what he did last year now the real question question is nate that does isn't because he's getting past thirty. Does that mean just his body is going to start breaking down. More more is going to be hard for him to stay healthy that that's entirely possible. He was a pretty durable guy in the previous five or six years before last season so maybe it's just the mileage in everything is adding often companies can have more breakdowns but if he can stay healthy. He is going to have a chip on his shoulder trying to prove that he deserves more big payday. I think that there is reason in for optimism that he could have a good year for them. I have a prediction for you. I predict that Jeff teague will be on the Minnesota Timberwolves in the twenty twenty one season ooh interesting so they don't they don't have cap space. napier also a free agent. I mean they would have to basically basically bring in someone at the mid level exception antique could provide you with the point guard market played. I dig T- can provide a little bit better production A or at least the hope of a little bit better production than that I think as long as he stays healthy I think could actually be back because they'll just they're still so oh captain of no way to replace him while it'll be interesting too because when you look at the free agent crop next year it's not very good right stretches so like there is going to be more money to spend. He may get some team to just say hey. We'll give you X. Amount of dollars and the wolves have already proven to be a a little more pragmatic that in in that way in Gerson Rosa's wants to preserve his flexibility or at least scratch back some flexibility over these next couple of years. There's so by towns year three of entering that contract that they have the ability to go out and make a big splash and so on bailed he gerson left Titus Jones go to Memphis on a three year twenty six million dollar deal which to me like you could you could make an argument for signing him to that deal and then if you just want to trade him you can figure out ways to move him over the next couple of years when he absolutely did not want anything clogging the books so we'll see if he if you look at it from a hey we just need point guard so we really have any chance to keep teague or do they say even if there is not in a a clear cut option for us of vailable in free agency to replace this guy if they still try to preserve that space ace at all costs. I'm not sure how they're GONNA do that. It's going to be really interesting to watch you mean. It's crazy to think about two years from now twenty the that Halcion Summer Twenty twenty one that we're going to be hearing so much about with this summer kind of looking like a dud and some of the free agents that are available they only project as of now with nothing else on the books you know no no draft picks Let's see does that include cover yet so but no draft picks from the next two years no other signings that go through that summer they only have twenty four million in thanks to you're not even enough room to Max contract two years from now with you know wiggins and towns both making thirty one million and then got a few other lower contractors the last year Covington seal feels so even with teagan Jiang off the books that you know it's going to be hard for them to be major players. I'm sure they can get creative maybe but they don't have just like this mother load of salary cap space sitting out there for like four years from now even well. That's what were the wiggins. Deal just kills them right. I mean you when you give somebody a Max deal you. We need borderline all star level production at the very minimum yeah. I I'd be if he could just be like a good starter for them. At this point I think they'd probably it'd be happy because because on the wing that production is actually pretty valuable but it's like it's not even even given that I mean I guess we could probably turn him now a of just how did he have the worst season of his career. I mean I know this is a `Nigma so putting you on the spot here when no one else can figure out the answer to this question Russia. Neither is is not that cool but just we're busy right now. What happened last year like is there. Is there any hope you win the write him off how you byun about him at this point yes you look he. He he had a bad year. No doubt about it. It looks like what what they were hoping when they brought Jimmy Butler color in was that Jimmy is competitiveness and attitude in intensity would sort of draw something out of Andrew Wiggins and and allies him you'll give him a roadmap to follow to take the next steps in his career and become more of a force and instead it really looks like it caused him to go into a turtle shell and to just like retreat and when you look at it there was a point last season. I WANNA say like early February Chubb Ury at long after Timon fighter long after Jimmy Butler was gone but even still after that wiggins had was still a guy that was just settling for mid-range Jumpers and one of the hallmarks that that gave them promise early in his career in his rookie season is first couple of seasons is he was so aggressive going to the rim and getting to the foul line and don't keen on people and and and things like that that you said Oh man if he can just put this stuff together and sustain it you can really become a force to be reckoned with and someone that's really difficult the handling did it against Oklahoma City last year in Ryan Sanders first game. That's the line like nineteen eighteen or twenty times and just was overwhelming while George and anyone. They threw atom so he has that anybody just never just didn't do it. Often enough often yet a game in in in early February where he had a big dunk finally and it was like his tenth dunk of the season some ridiculously low number and I wanted to afterwards were just said Andrew. Why aren't you dunking the ball anymore and he kind of laughs but he he just said look over these last couple of years. I've sort of lost lost. My Mojo that way in the implication was is that as the he actually set that up yeah he said it yeah you know in the implication was as the wolves old kind of pivoted to a Jimmy baller derrick rose centered offense they did ask Andrew to kind of stand in the corner more and he instead of like being assertive live in saying give me the ball and go to the rim and I'm GonNa make something happen you just let himself disappear and in so I think that that mentality carried over and so the only way to get him back to even like a useful player in this league is for him to rediscover that in maybe this time around with Jimmy baller gone with Ryan Sanders in offense. I think that will that will feature. Andrew a little bit more. Maybe they can get things going for him in that way a little bit he is a guy that scored over forty point seven times in his career so it's not like he's a complete. Boston has never done anything he's had multiple pull flashes of big time performance in production. They just have not come nearly enough so I really think that you know this is kind end of the last year for anyone who is holding out even a Smidgen of hope for Andrew Wiggins if it doesn't happen age age twenty four season this year when he four four he's got a coach he respects in likes. Who's going to try and empower him more He's GonNa have more responsibility. They're GONNA try and get up and down down a little bit more on. Give them some more easy buckets. It's going to be less half court. Oriented like things are going to be in his favor and so it's up to him though you know look he's he he frustrated people at Kansas with his kind of in and out energy he frustrated with saunders his first year a player friendly coach with his Internet energy. You Frustrating Sam. Mitchell Mitchell was more of a disciplinarian. You frustrated Tom Criminal. He's had all these different coaches in so sooner or later. You've got to say it's on you. Andrew to start doodling and if it doesn't happen this year you know. I think that everyone would be fully understandable if they just said look. This guy just doesn't have it and he's just GonNa be one of those sad stories of potential unrealised. Do you think he just doesn't work that hard. I think that things have just come too easily for him. I think that he works hard but he's not maniacal outweigh but when you look at look at his career so he is Ben in the spotlight even even realize maple Jordan when he was a kid in Canada number one recruiting Kansas he he he had a decent season at Kansas but not ah jaw dropping one and yet he goes number one overall and so then I season as a rookie. He plays okay but the rookie class around him is such an abomination. He's really the rookie of the year by default but he's still got the rookie of the year award and then he's going on. He's sworn points for the Woolsey. Oh see scoring at a good level twenty four game the year before he gets his Max contract but there were so many other things that he didn't do what he still gets the full five-year Max so he's been rewarded time again for relatively you know pedestrian efforts and so he's now her ben in a point where he's been having a claw and scratch for what he's had to accomplish here and so either at college judge or at the pro level and so. I just think that it's never been a challenge for him or he's never had a reason to have to absolutely you. Throw everything that he is into this and so that's why we've seen these efforts and and things like that and so well you know to me the key this year for the wolves in trying to bring something out of him is to use the stick as much as you use the carrot where they're in what you're doing what you want him to do if he's having these these waves games where he's totally checked out what am on the bench. Don't play what yeah what will get the good thing is. They have such amazing depth that the wing position that they could just a I mean I i. I've I've talked cheek there. They still he might still will be the best option. Even playing you know the way the way that he has. I think you know it saw its. I mean that's w interesting to see because you're looking at at his career history here. You know he basically was that a league leading level of minutes. The first four years was grin and perhaps you. I have seen a little bit like when I asked about him. Working hard part of the reason I think is athleticism. If anything has declined your he hasn't really gotten much stronger. He has a good frame but he hasn't really like. It seems like he's made that a priority what I've asked what I've heard from him. Is that about him. Is You know he'll do the stuff that you put in front of him but he's buddy. Won't you know he's not really like a self starter a unnecessarily but just just so we have it here. You mentioned the dunks career. Low Thirty Nine dunks twenty fewer than in any other season is I three years. He was over seventy five each year. Hughes not actually actually at a higher usage rate last year than he did the year before but career-low true shooting almost almost close to a career low in free throw rate and he's really just been trending downward career low twelve point four p. r. and so you know the basically since this Butler arrive you'll people thought once because Butler's year no he has is out of the ball but you know Butler leaving obviously didn't help at all either saw. I mean he's at this point. It's the wolves will probably be happy to get you know the guy that he was in his second and third year when he looked like he might actually be on the rise. you know at least was giving them league average efficiency from a scoring perspective but now it's it's. I mean I. I was always lower on him than everyone else but I even I did proceed this precipitous. Decline decline is just thought he was going to prove that much right yeah. That's I mean the I think you're right in terms of they would love to see wiggins year three again even even with the faults but I think the other thing that they were always hoping that he would develop into a good defender because look he's athletic. he has long arms she has good size but he has not been and and so the they need better effort just straight after from him on that side of of the floor as well and and so they just have a lot that they're hoping to turn the corner on because I mean let's face to even if they wanted to trade him right now with they couldn't because no one's taken that contract do that. I I think I I think last time we talked about this. We talked and you said you asked Iran and you know that they're Kinda might be when I asked that question. You know there's still a thought that hey maybe some some of the ex player. GM's who are got more scouting focus might might still be interested but you think at this point. There's there's no way I don't think right now. There is much of anything out there I mean they could they could they could trade a bad contract for a bad contract. Maybe um uh-huh and just kind of swap deck chairs on the titanic but they're not getting anything remotely close to fair value not fair value uh-huh to positive return for him right now so you know even if he gets back up to a level well where he is contributing in in a decent starter for them at the very minimum it might bring some trade people to the table and Dan you know allow them to say hey look. He is turned the corner. You just have to put them in the right situation. and he's you know he's a young athletic exciting player. Look you go a Charlotte Don't you need somebody a shot or something of that and see if you can do something that just unclog your ear salary cap space for the next three or four years. There's after that but yeah right now I don't get the sense that there's anybody you know banging on the door offering it for anything even remotely enticing for the wolves to look at and something along the lines of a lesser version of the Westbrook Paul Trade. Where maybe you get somebody. WHO's equally disappointing doesn't have the upside but their contract ends a little earlier. That might be something I would even consider settling but you know it's GonNa be a new system. It's a new training camp. You Know Buffalo Loyd. He's been working at we've seen he's working didn't play for team. Canada yeah. He's going to be right and yet. You're not like look. I am in the same boat as there's a lot of people I have not given up on him. I think that there is a possibility that he at least gets back to being an asset on a team if not like a star but not necessarily a contractual as just like someone who actually helped helps exactly someone who helps you on the floor win games occasionally but what I I definitely am in in the all believe it. When I see it mode we have to see him. Sustain it for months at a time and not just have one or two good. Games here and there where you go. Oh Wow maybe maybe the light bulbs coming on and then he goes into you know a ten or twelve game plunk where you just don't see him again so it it. He's got approved that and he is in that. That's that's. He's put himself there. That's where he's he's got a show that things are different in that that he's more comfortable in that this is the better spot for him but I blame zero people for being skeptical or or checking out until they see rather consistent basis all right so we've got about fifty. Eighteen minutes left here quickly. How do you see the front court situation working out among the traditional visit Covington is going to start at the forty at towns the five you've got then Jordan Bell Gorji Jiang. Fondly maybe Ke debates job gets in there as well. Maybe Lehman would place them for weakens. could move up. Who who do you see as having the biggest rolls out of that group. I think that it's going to be a lot of it is going to be matchup oriented when you when you see who are they playing against and what do they need to. They need Jiang's size in muscle and rebounding. Do they need. Maybe a a little more quickness with Jordan Bell. I think von Lay is a guy who will get good run with with that front court when they need rebounding you know and some and some length I mean his arms are like eight feet long. I mean and he's wanted just the bigger bulkier guys on team doesn't have a lot of bulk so I will so. I think that I think they are made. I think they're pretty intrigued by what Jordan Bell might be able to give them. They think I've always liked yet. They think that he is not just a ten minute a game rebound and defend and and score near the basket type of guy. They think that he can be a guy that again there. They might give him the green light to start the break a little bit they wanna put him in in in positions where he can handle it a little bit he can shoot it a little bit and and so they wanna see what they have there with him and so. I think he's going to get a lot of looks wchs and I think they see a little more versatility in him than they do. Noah von Lay off and men maybe even Gordon Chang as well and so if they are going to stay a little smaller smaller I would. I would think that Jordan Bell will have at least initially a little leg up on the others in the rotation minutes perspective you know then then what do you do then. I mean you also look at it. I think a layman can play the foreign. It's small foreign some situations. They'll play three in others COVINGTON's as well. There's a lot of guys that can shuffled between two were three different positions and and so we'll have to see how atoll shakes out but I'd say that Jordan Bell is one that they really think you're just kind of got overshadowed rightfully so in the warriors system I mean he's an afterthought because they have so many great players that is not going to be the case in Minnesota so maybe there's a little bit more of a chance for him to. Kinda spread his wings a little. I'm in agreement with you. I think bell definitely makes a lot of positive plays on both ends but he also makes a lot of mistakes in that drew the ire of Steve Kerr with the stakes that the warriors were playing for. They felt like hey you know. We can't can't like give this guy minutes now when they were forced to. I felt a lot of times. The good place outweighed the bad. You know there was a feeling obviously the pranks that he pilled feeling that he didn't the most professional attitude stuff two years older. He's like twenty five so or I will turn twenty five this season as a rookie but no yeah I think he can make some plays. If you start to look at a second unit possibly that has a Kogi and Covington and bell on it. You know that would be a AH. Maybe you could throw culver in there too. That would be a group that actually would have some speed some defensive play making the it could be a fun group. My big question here is in what's going to happen on the second unit at the four. Is it going to be John. Les Probably doesn't provide a ton of shooting you know I think the second unit could really struggle to score. You one towns out. Maybe what you do. Is You have pugh play von Lay you. You're probably GONNA have to get some minutes from traditional guys at the four play him next to Carl towns which again you're kind of you're not optimizing. You're just like making towns. Pick up these offensively spacing challenges units but maybe you just have to do that and then you bring Covington back back in as the four when towns out of the game so at least you have some spacing and maybe a Kogi and culver and wiggins can give you just enough there when towns is out of the game so but I think that's going to be a difficult balancing act a four saunders to work out that rotation at the the four in particular and I think they have some some out there but they also don't have guys really provided established production either yeah. That's a lot of these guys that they brought in. I mean and you know Trivia on Graham Bureau and bell and von Lay and even Jake Lehman doing extend in a few other they are kind of proven types of contracts attraction and and and hoping that they can show more with bigger roles but we don't know how they're going to react to that just just yet in the what what we did see last year when Covington was healthy and Tim's was still coaching a lot of times they did pull Covington a little early in in the first quarter and then came back with him at the start of the second. One towns went to the bench as sort of that centralized figure who who could play on both ends good communicator knows how to play that really did try to start to bind that second group together and I would imagine that there's a scenario like that probably playing out in sanders mind as he sketching out this rotation as well. I mean you throw Shabazz Napier out there again too in that that'll be it'd be interesting to see see what he brings up from a playmaking dynamic as a point as the second point guard but yeah. I mean if if coal can give them some dynamics some dynamic play you know off the bench early with that second group and then yeah you you put it in Covington. Maybe wiggins or you can probably make it worked but it is going to be a challenge especially from a shooting aspect of it. I mean they own. Have they still don't have much shooting outside of towns in Covington on roster it wouldn't shock me to actually see fair use of some units with Napier and teed together depending on the defensive metrics just because Napier's early only perimeter guy who can make a shot outside Covington right now so I mean that's being too harsh on t. but napier is really the only guy that you're like okay. We really got a guard this guy. You view go above average. Three point shooter aren't you. We talked a lot about Canada the overall situation so we'll have to hit too much on like the strengths and weaknesses this is the team of but we've hit on some of them already so let's not let's get right to predicted record for the twenty nine thousand nine twenty minutes those rules yeah. It's a hard one with all the new faces both coaching staff and on the roster to really get a handle on I mean you look at the rest of the west and they all got markedly better right around them. I think the Lakers Pelicans Dallas Sacramento like they're all I mean the even Phoenix some production since higher and the wolves they they they said goodbye to Gibson said goodbye to derrick rose ascended by ties Jones and and they brought back guys who may fit better but the the whole faith that that they have built around it that they can surprise people is that the system and the chemistry chemistry is going to make up for lack of talent and that's always a shaky limb to walk out on so I mean. I tend to think that they're probably you. No I think you're thirty five or thirty six wins. Which is where they were last. Year is probably a realistic option again for them. best case scenario Robert COVINGTON is healthy at all year and is impactful as he was last year and then maybe they can see up into those low forties in hang around owned for a for a playoff position to just be on the periphery in the fringes of playoff conversation and worst case scenario is towns gets hurt or something and then they're down into the twenty three or twenty to win types. Were in your tank in for the for the top pick in the draft again but so I'm GonNa go somewhere somewhere. In the middle there probably thirty five thirty six wins and and just see us that if that hold serve for for one more year before they think they can take a- another leap in year two of the Rosa's saunders regime all right. I gotTa put you down here thirty five or thirty six thirty six. Let's just say okay yeah. Where are you oh I'm I'm a I'm pretty close to there. I mean I think it's just I'm very concerned about the depth any kind of injury to Covington. They're just not GONNA WIN Games. I don't think they do have I mean there are ways that this team could come through to me and could get into the yard. There'd be in the playoff mix given that I expect that to be a fairly high hi Barbara Yeah I could see them being around five hundred. Maybe a little better than that you know. I think I have so much respect for Karl. Anthony towns can do offensively. Your hope would be that this could be. Maybe the better defensive group that they have although again some of the defenders that they have are are younger guys against also very dependent on Covington so you know I think because because they're so dependent on towns because they're so dependent on Covington I could see their starters actually being pretty competitive but just the lack adapt or any kind of an injury really just killing them so I'm kind of right there too. I think I'll go with thirty six as well I guess if I had to pick now you know I'm going to go thirty seven because I asserted thinking about like if I had to pick whether they're going to be above or below that I'd probably go above. I guess the you know the tank could get rolled up. They had some early injuries so that's that's a concern but yeah I mean. How much do you believe that Robert. COVINGTON is just as absolute transformed figure for the defense. I mean there are certainly many teams that have fallen in love with a ten twelve game stretch when everyone was healthy and like Oh this is now our new baseline and very rarely turns out that there's always there's reason for optimism which just about every team in in that regard you know the Bulls. Were really good in February last year but overall. They weren't good and there's a lot of those. The sons had some really nice stretches for the otane games as well but I think it's GonNa be really hard for them to stay. I mean I think there could be times when you're like Oh. Hey Wolf eaten to in their last ten games while like out but I just think they're gonNA show rose sustaining so I I would go with thirty seven there. what do you see is their best case scenario. I would say probably goes highest. Forty five wins for for their best case scenario. That's what I think too. I was GONNA say forty five because if everything comes together if these new systems that are being put in place both offensively and defensively offensively just fit the pieces that they have and the other thing that what the wolves are really hoping for is that look it's hard to under stay sir overstate how fractured that team was over the last year and a half. I mean it was there was no chemistry at all. everyone was miserable. Israel all the time and the hope is is that you get just better feelings about each other and about you know the whole Operation Matt that will translate as well again. That's best case scenario and yeah then I think and again COVINGTON stays healthy. towns has a monster urine. Aaron wiggins turns into maybe your third or fourth best player instead of your like your seven three yeah then then I think they do upside to get up to forty five and and to be pluckily the end and be competitive in the West. What do you think a Ryan's the judge that Ryan's understood last year by the way he's very well regarded but certainly Lee but then being flip saunders son in and so the decisions that the organization has made in the past year a little wary that there could be some nepotism involved there but you it seems gotten rave reviews. There wasn't really much of a process as far as potentially replacing him this off season. Has He earned this in your view so so far or is it just kinda. He's got some potential and we'll see well yeah. It's it's an interesting case. 'CAUSE locally here there. There's a real divide when hardcore core wolves fans are looking at Ryan Sanders some. They're some who really love it who think that hey you know the only time that this team has even been close to relevant within and successful is when Flip was coaching or being the executive and Ryan is like a carbon copy of flip in a lot of ways and so there's like this really good feeling about a that part of it but also he is a really good communicator and a guy who relates to the players players very well and so all of the players just love having him as the coach. I mean even last year. You're talking about like Taj Gibson who is like the TIM soldier of Tim Soldiers raved about Ryan Sanders in the way that he communicated with with him the way that he included players on decision Asian making and brought them into the process. He has a way of uniting them that way that gets. I guess guys to WanNa play for him. He also so as Ben an assistant in the League for like eleven or twelve years so he is very very young but he has he has paid his dues some to get to this point right now. There's another side of the equation where kind of the the jaded twist timber wolves fan and have every reason to be jaded given all the dysfunction that has befallen this franchise over the last fifteen years especially is they say look no one else in the League would apply Ryan Saunders as head coach in just that they want this fuzzy warm mhm fairytale story. He didn't earn it. They should've gone and gotten someone else and you know this is. This is ridiculous like that shouldn't shouldn't be the case so there are there is a healthy portion of people who are wanting to see him improve it. It what I saw from last year is very hard to judge because the Covington Derrick rose was hurt for a lot of ties. Jones missed a bunch of games like he was running out. Point Guard teague was her likey was practically the whole time. I'm usually he's playing jared Bela's Isaiah Canaan at point guard. He's playing. Cj Williams at point guard some he was he had to rely on Cam Reynolds San like he was shuffling in line. I mean their best lineup I for a small smidgen of his time there over the second last season had Louis Dang at the floor and just because he was competent he may just such a difference in young Raimo do and then he got her and went out so there were some G. League level lineups that he had to to to deploy so. I don't know how you judge based off what you saw from what he had to deal with last year what he's capable while all I do know is that the players really liked playing for him. I do like the staff he's assembled with David Vanterpool Pablo Pacciani Ryan Gates Kevin Hanson from New Orleans as well while respected they. They have a good staff in place to help him and he's going to go through growing pains. He's GonNa GonNa have to figure some things out. He's GonNa make some mistakes but I I think that from what I have seen in the way that he kind of operates. I'm optimistic about his chances of being the coach for for a while here he just he loves it. He wants. He's so personally invested in the wolves. I think that matters and I think he's gotten players two baht in to buy into what he's selling and so now it's now it's up to see if we can put it together in the regular season but what I I I am optimistic about what he can be as a young innovative coach willing to experiment try different things and and see what what happens on the fly yeah I mean they did have so many injuries so maybe maybe this can't be answered at this point but just in terms of like on the floor from a system perspective. You get any impression of just like what it is that he's trying to prioritize. That's going to drive winning games do what he's what he's really believer yeah so I don't think you can look at what he did on the floor. Last year at with all of the injuries ended taking over on the fly the way that he did but I think you look at Summer League team in you can get a little glimpse of it more so they are in terms of what they're trying to do. They're trying to put in defense. That's heavy on switching and and you know Tim's kind of had the the ice ice ice approach young they got just hammered on penetration kick out to corner threes threes like it killed them with their their schemes and what they did. They just got picked apart that way. There's going to be a lot more switching involved with Orion Sanders David Vanterpool after pool lead defense and and so I think that's a little bit better suited to this modern game and so I think that's the way they're gonNA go on defense. I think on offense offense. It's going to be a lot more democratic. ball movement. I think you're gonNA see towns in the high post at the elbow sort of orchestrating orchestrating things and trying to open up things for cutters and and I think they're gonNA shoot a lot of threes even if they're not gonNA make many last year they were twenty six and three point attempts but I think they're gonNA shoot a lot more of them and just see what the heck happens. We saw with Brooklyn a couple of years ago right where where they didn't shoot a great percentage but they just shot a heck of a lot of them and try to see if it would come out in the wash and so I think you're gonna see that with Minnesota as well and they're gonNA trying minded UPTEMPO. They're going to try and get wiggins in transition for for a little bit easier buckets that way where they don't grind it out in the half court as much and they're going to have towns quarterback in a lot of this and so it's GonNa feature towns and everyone's going to kind of feed off of his table scraps and see if that translates to a more effective active more sustainable offense of flow. y'All be interested to see that of whether you know we see towns dribbling the ball out top and you know hey we're going to get in touch the elbow on every possession and Kinda use Yokich style more Anthony Davis demarcus cousins in their later years in New Orleans that type type thing. I I want a little tangent there but just to finish out worst case scenario I would say about twenty nine wins this grouping. That's not including a crawl. Towns gets injured the first game of the season type injury levels yeah. I think I might even go a little bit lower. If like I 'cause yeah. Let's let's not even count on towns their safety. Oh towns gets hurt because because then you're looking at seventeen or eighteen wins maybe but but I think that I wanNA see Covington be able to get through a full season and so I think it it is very there. There's there is a good chance that you know he just can't Doodo and he and teed bowl's coming off of injury plagued seasons. If both of them really struggled that way to stay healthy which I think is a much more realistic thing to look at then I think yeah I've been down into the twenty seven twenty six range because they don't have much point guard depths and they don't have anybody who can sort of galvanize the team the way that Covington and did on both ends of the floor either and so if they can't get sixty to sixty five games from both of those guys then then the work's going to be cut out for them and it's going to be a lot harder slog in a could get a lot uglier so especially in the West which is going to be again just a fricken in meet grinder so I would say that be I'd go down to go down to twenty six sort of as as as the bottom of that if if they just can't get t in Covington up and running in which is an entire possible while art thanks this was great having you on as always and wishing you would you if you had to pick between like this year which is probably going to be a little less interesting and last year. which was you and chums writing together every single day for about? Aww To month period would up boards. It's funny because you look at it and it's like in when you're in the middle of that. Jimmy Butler unbelievable believable pressure cooker. It's like man. This is unrelenting but you also realize that it's incredibly compelling. Everyone in the world is reading what you're right and you're you're kind of in the spotlight and you enjoy that as a writer you like to be producing content that people read up and they read in devoured our everything that we wrote about the Jimmy Butler soap opera but it was a justin unbelievable circus of a grind and so if this zero a little more conventional even if it's not as quite interesting I would be okay with being able to focus a little bit more just on the basketball football and what we're seeing on the court dissecting that and telling those stories and getting behind the scenes that way even if we're not the most compelling in TMZ level type of story lines any more than that draw a ton of eyeballs. I won't be mad at at that. I WANNA see whoa how this team grows. It's an exciting time. It's an interesting time for them is just a different kind of way interesting than the the dysfunction in the Shakespearean experien- backstop last year well I mean beyond Butler was tibbs getting fired. It was a new president of basketball operations. Nations are being brought in basically everything that could happen other than winning. Some Games happen to this team last year the athletic dot com /capspace by the way to sign up for the athletic as a follow John's work and what's your what's your twitter as well John so by the common spelling at J. O. N. K. R. A. W. C. Z. Y. N. S. K. I not the actor different spelling. Just stick with me and we'll get your hoops stuff and you can and get your office and Jack. Ryan related content from the other junk. 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PODCAST DOT com slash sports criminals to listen now. Let's talk a little Indiana Pacers now with with by Buddy J. Michael made the transition over to Indiana a couple years. Go worked for the Indy Star and one of the best follows on twitter certainly if you're trying to follow the pacers or just learn more about a basketball in general human. Hey man pretty good. We can we for the season to get started. Believe it or not. I'm actually ready to go back to work. I can't believe I'm saying that but I actually aunt pacers season ended earlier maybe than some thought it would when they're really rolling with with. Victor Oladipo so i WanNa start by just getting your opinion on this pacers off season which really was one of the bigger remakes here here but I I one of the ones that I've really struggled with the most you know. They definitely got younger. They got a lot more scoring punch but maybe lost something defensively the and in terms of pure shooting as well so i. It's a really interesting group now that they've put together. What are your thoughts on their off-season. I expected affected off season to go this way. I didn't think I didn't think they build get. TJ Worn for basically nothing and get picked from Phoenix in addition to that that to me was a huge steel but I expected him to go younger for quite some time when it when it was clear that with they had was not gonna work was not going to get them out of the first round of the playoffs now full depots able to play against Boston. I think that series is no worse than to to instead of a four. Oro Sweep and who knows maybe that changes with they do going forward but I fully expected them to make a move. Make moves moves where they will go younger. 'cause we looked at the roster all of their best guys. You know all the guys that you saw leave that young well over thirty bulletin on Bogdonovich is now another side of thirty Darren Collison who retired but I don't think there was gonNA bring back Hughes over thirty and you know you look at a bunch of these guys who were key. He contributors and you know it wasn't just the age thing it was that you saw a lot of players who were one dimensional in what they could do like. Thad young was a four who only could really play the four offensively but couldn't spread collison is a guard who could only play point guard but does it finish well and traffic through contact right so you know you're not. GonNa move into the two or something. You're not gonNA move that young to the three so now the guys that they have now Brogden brogden could go one or due to Jeremy lamb can play two three in Jeremy Lamb as you saw last year in Charlotte which was kind of a surprise to me was the you know a really good pick and roll ball. Oh Ham for them is something that you didn't see much from him during his career so you see guys like that who will not just younger but more versatile in can go into more spots it gives as you more opportunities to play smaller lineups even though they're you know they're this speaking about you. Know happens to bonus miles turner as a starting in the starting five but I think you have much greater flexibility with guys. Who can you know you can go away from that and you know you can throw small align of all all all kinds of lineups out there. I mean you've promising young garnered holiday off the bench and guys like that so I just think that them more versatile team in this is to me. He's GonNa be coach. Nate McMillan said that's the kind of stuff that he needed to have more success and Pritchard is is Kinda delivered on a lot of that but I think it could go really well out and surprise some people or you said you're a little bit not sure about it and I think it also could go that route for reasons that go beyond XS. He knows I mean. Let's face it you. No you lose a lot of defense Can you still be a good defensive team credible defensive team and do you have the leadership in that locker room that you need. I'll tell you right now. If it weren't for leadership last year this train went off the track in a far far more disastrous waving anybody could imagine but those veterans batterings like that young. Corey Joe's during Collison help help keep things together especially after people got her yeah by Skepticism Eboni Act. I think I gave them a C. plus in their off-season grapes. I felt hey they lost some defense. They may be got back some equivalent level of offense. I thought you know Brogden. They paid a lot for we'll talk about him about lamb to me was one of the better contracts of the off season to get a win guy who can create the way he did. I think he was just GonNa very under the radar. You're in Charlotte last year and just get. TJ Warn for nothing. If he can play the way he played last year. The shooting was a huge step board. We'll see whether that is still the case in the obviously struggled with injuries the second half of the year in Phoenix but so they've added a lot in terms of guys who can do stuff on the ball even before the depot comes back they should in theory be better offensively but the defense I think is a major concern fatty onto me is one of the most underrated defensive players in the NBA and yet he wasn't really a spacer Acer offensively but I think they're really going to miss him and they also don't really have any one. There aren't that these guys niece now but they don't really have anyone who can guard guard those bigger wing threats Lebron James. You're quite Leonard type to me. The lamb is too skinny for that and you know they signed Justin holiday. He's probably the thin as well and then Savona is that the four is probably too slow so I that's another big weaknesses. It'd be a lot put on miles turner defensively this year I agreement. It's an and that's the thing it's do. They feel like they're going to be able to create you know because nate. McMillan is huge on defense and his assistant coach. Dan Burke is breath. Basically the defensive coordinator kidney create a system you know where they can basically cover up some of those holes and you know that that would put a lot of strain on miles turner and you know. I've said now for the last couple years even after the depot made the NBA's all defensive team a couple of seasons ago sickbed had young should have been all defense. That should have been all defense again this past season it. It blows me away that not only does he not make those teams but if you look at the voting voting you could tell nobody clearly watches and for me. He's the Lynch Pin. Everything and there's so much so many things that he does. I mean that that doesn't mean that all the depot didn't play good defense. He didn't also he wasn't deserving. He wasn't a contributor doesn't mean that mouse turner wasn't either because both of those guys that's tacking things on their own but to me when you pull that young out of that picture it a lot of things that he does that allowed over depot to jump passing lanes things get steals. Get those easy buckets in transition. There's a lot of things that Fed Beth. Thad young with. Do that would help other people be better so what would happen. Is You would see the highlights were Turner. We get the blocks all deeper would get the steel but thad young did all this dirty work in between that created situation that allowed them to get that. I think is a result. He's that type of guy who you know you don't necessarily see right off all the stuff that he does and I I couldn't agree more about the defense instead young and how important he is because an inuit from what I've got it from the pacers themselves. They are kind kind of wondering too. Can we make this work without a guy like that because that young didn't WanNA leave but I I'd reported like maybe first week after the season they were going to move on from they wanted more offense and that wasn't crazy about them moving on from him. I think he may have had some a little bit of hurt feelings about decided to move on they decided that with that in the playoffs they couldn't win with him because teams game plan around trying to make him a score in he couldn't make the long range shots where he was reluctant to take him and so they were looking at it more from the playoff perspective. Thad young during the eighty two game regular season. No you gotTa have a guy like him. Am where at least that's been the case to be able to get yourself in position to make the playoffs so that's kind of the catch twenty two. I think they were at yeah. I understand that a lot of thinking from the Pacers not only because he was thirty one I mean I think you know only getting two years guaranteed at about thirteen million from the Bulls than a third non-guaranteed year I mean that wasn't does does less than I thought he might get. I think that was a reasonable price but with the way they struggled offensively against a bad defensive team Cleveland two years ago and then just one of the more hopeless offensive performances in the playoffs. We've seen in the last ten years by them. in that Boston series you. You do understand why they thought hey you know we just yet. It's a risk he's been a lot of our identity but we're just we can't take the next step without having a little more scoring at that position but the irony is is to be that now they're going with sue bonus there who is a better offense a player than young but you know his shooting is not really any more established than young's was is at least a out to the three point line so How do you think sue bonus at the fourth thing is going to work out here. I mean that's the plan right. They're gonNA start him with a fork yeah that that's what's going to happen. You talked to a couple of people that assistant coach Bill Bain of workout with him for about four or five weeks now late summer. I talked to him for a while about working out with him. I'm in in one of his former coaches from Gonzaga who's now in Phoenix who who didn't work out with this year because not all that is a friend of the program Ricardo Voice. Is that guy's name right Ricardo yet in so I was talking to record 'em about him as well and and you know it's. Ricardo didn't work out in Michigan because in the national team commitments but you know obviously he has a lot of background bonus and so kind of compare notes running renison things by them what I saw what they saw him. you know ah you know the biggest the biggest challenging. I've talked to some people in the Organization of biggest challenge. I think everybody is kind of an agreement that is going to be more of him defensively at the four yeah then it's going to be offensively offense ably you figure eventually. He's GonNa come around in the justice game. He's a good enough player. I look. I don't think he's going to be getting double doubles us if you're going to be playing that far away from the rim. I don't think he'll get those double doubles as we'll see I think it's GonNa be him or on the basket or Turnham war on the basket or or it can be both of them. I mean I've I've been critical of Macmillan for not using Turner shooting ability enough. I think he should be used Brook Lopez but who do you see operating closer to the basket out of those two. I mean it. I see that SA- bonus is better operating closer to the basket Turner's clearly better facing up. I mean that's even know Seh bonuses. You know it it kind of if you really think about it. I draw the comparison of back. When Atlanta had Paul MILLSAP and Al Horford knows sap was the four war horse. It was the five but there was a there was times where the way Horford was used in pinch post offensively. He was actually lifted you know boss screening moving the ball getting everybody else involved in. Ut millsaps who is a four a lot under rim getting you know getting back screens and rip action. They get posts ups. I I think you can have some versatility where you can mix and match kind of what the guys do based on who they're playing the thing to me. What's a bonus bonus. Offensively is far more oh comfortable obviously closer to the rim. If you look at Boston series he had a lot of opportunities when he was playing away from the basket to get some shots he just never look for a shot and you know and I was talking to Ricardo about that and he's like man. He says he's so thinking about helping other guys out. He's not always aggressive aggressive as he should be enemy telling you man I wash Boston series now twice and they were times. It's a bonus will get the ball and he never looks at the Rim and he he wants to a hand off. He wants to get into that the JOE game and he's awesome it that I mean I think that's a really underrated aspect of just as smart set in the pick and roll find finding space as finding guys going back. You really could operate out there he can he can and and that's the thing like you gotTa have. He's got to find a balance of you know when the defense knows that you're not gonNA shoot the ball and you're gonNA look to pass it off or hand it off to somebody you know they basically a defendant four with five and he took himself out of the game offense so that's one of the things. I think when he's playing if you play them away from the rim. He can't do that if he does that. That's that's going to be very difficult for him. He's got a good. It has a good shot like a good form on shot you know he doesn't get much elevation on his shot up seen him shoot threes in practice. We've all seen guys. She resumed practice who either don't shoot him or can't shoot have been games. he's going to be given that shot. They allowed him to pop when he played against Boston in cigarettes shoot and he's got to be able to hit that when he's playing away from the Rim and teams do that it for him. That's his issue from mouse turner when he's posting up when he's got a guy who six foot five on him and he's got a post that guy up go to the rim heart and fish like bonuses strength is turns weaknesses and vice versa when it comes to that part and I and I I think look the easy answer is both of them. Get better at it than you. Don't really have initiative but usually it's those things don't happen overnight and we'll take some time so I I think the way the Pacers you know we use him. You know what McMillan does is. GonNa depend on. I think you can't use them the same way every night. It's going to depend on a matchup and the other thing. Is You know speaking. You'RE GONNA defensively hot as he worked as a four. You know you look at them on the weak side. He's GonNa have to do more. Exiting out given that foot speed isn't his greatest asset has how's that GonNa work. That's GONNA put a lot of pressure on the next rotation to help cover for him when he's beaten on that. you know actually saw him in the Boston series in in Ricardo and I was talking about this as well. We were talking about this as well about how he was you know up top switching on Kyrie irving ball screens. He actually did pretty decent loses feet well. Yeah I mean he's not the fastest person in the world but he had you know it's it's. He's not slow but you know it's it's. It's going to be a challenge against some of these. Blazing fast guys going to be a challenge for anybody his size against him but he actually do quite well against Kyrie in space and I guess my question is he did that in spot moments omits coming off the bench. How are you going to be able to do that every time down. When you play starter's minutes and you see in that all the time 'cause you know teams are going to put him in a situation where where he's going to have to switch on guys like that and they're going to try to isolate yeah and you know they're. GonNa target him so that's going to be something to look for early in the season to have an idea of how well missile go the other big thing. I thought about this too. I just written this actually has an article has been published yet of you know you. SA- bonuses and talking to coach Bena no about this about the idea of him having to read and getting a position and draw charges which seems kind of well with how big of a deal that well fact young's really good at and I didn't realize that SA- bonus last season drew zero charges and fat young was I think six an Mba in doing that that young just a play banker I mean he steals blocks charges like us. Just what one of the best helped defenders at that position Ed. That's why I had picked him second team. All do penalty yeah 'cause he's. He's GonNa he's GonNa have to do multiple things so it's not that soon as a bad athlete. Is that not that he's not blazing. Yes and fast. Is that what he's on the weeks. He's GonNa have to do multiple things can he does he have the agility to go to Cairo and Change Directions and then get over here on a close out. You know what I mean and and having to do that over and over I mean Thad young when it came to deflections last year he had like two hundred sixty three. I think SA- Boneless I had seventy five like you know. Maybe that's a product of you know so bonus. You know not being in that position have to do that that much. That's the kind of work that he has to do. In order to help nope minimize the loss of young. That's a lot of stuff and that's why young you know we were just talking about is so valuable so you know. I think early season you know there's GonNa. It'd be some questions that have hey this work. Position not work if the faces are committed to it. They're going to have to stick to it. and I guess the question is how long do you stick with it it if it's not working at an optimum level in how much of it is just a growing pain so that's. I think the big question for them going forward after they go to this lineup yeah. I think couple radcow things you said. One of the big concerns about subpoenas coming out of school was his wingspan is not very big and that's part wjr think he he's struggles to make play especially on those switches to he can stay in front of guys but then maybe doesn't have the length to contest if they go up for for the mid ranger so you you said talk about whether this is going to work out. What's your gut feeling. I mean you'd think that this is GonNa work. Can we get a look back at the end of the season. It'd be like yes like this. Their best lineup is support. What is that the four and myles Turner at the five or are we. GonNa look at it like you know with the jazz with Derrick favors Rudy Gobert where it's like okay. We're just bringing this guy guy into just say he's a starter. We're GONNA get him out of the game as fast as we can and just have mostly play backup center and to close games it's not going to be. I think ladder could be more true. yeah yeah. I feel more like that especially. When you consider the Pacers I think a lot is going to depend on how quickly or or how good their draft pick the top draft pick. Nobody is going to be a seven. You know seven foot guy who's yeah you've been. You've been kind of singing his praises little or at least perhaps you've. You've been repeating others other. People's praises and I don't think you've seen them actually but he's in his funny in before. I even do do that like I I. I talked to a lot of people who have no vested interest in how the thing when you talk to teams. The teams can always pump wherever they pick right. This is just people people ask you know to this day like. RC Buford is not happy that the pacers were able to get go because that was their pick the spurs one pick behind the pace with RC beaufort wanted. I mean he is to this. Day is like my like he's got that Gogo got the way I think it's a good sign when the spurs identify guy you're able to get them before the spurs did so but yeah. I've talked to you know I've talked to probably fifteen front up front office people from fifteen different teams you know since draft pick happen instance looked. Just you mean the real which you really think you know and I haven't heard one person I what do I'll have. One person say. They think he's going to be a decent player that you know he could be a good six man or something like that. There's a lot of most people have said he'll be starting quality and so it's whatever you you never know how those things shake out. Sometimes people can sell those things and it doesn't happen for various reasons but you know I think he's the other guy in the equation like maybe wh what if we're talking so bonus Turner Savona Turner and it turns out that it's Gogo one of those two that works better together. I I don't I mean. I don't know if we're going to be the figure that out this year but we've that's true and so I think you could argue that. They're in a good position Gm Tell me that he wouldn't made that move unless he was really open to move in Savona Turner in you know Turner's. WAS IT hot demand. You know I reported at the time going into the draft that teams kept inquiring about turning paces returning them away so so there's a lot of they realized they could get a lot for you to turn Russell Bonus in the market NOCA- markets but I just think they're waiting to see how these this thing shakeout but maybe maybe Gogo turns out to be the guy who was a better match up with one of the other big. I mean I I you know I don't know see he's on a rookie deal. They got time to find out exactly exactly how he fits in but but yeah I think to me that's just kind of an interesting if he blows up coming out of the gates then I mean you know it's going to be a good problem album for them to have but I yeah I I feel like you that second option you said about Utah with favors in Ingo bear could be started just in you know in you know on paper Korea starters but you know they end up playing separated or more often than not. He's the I saw about early in the game in in maybe it's just much ado about nothing when it comes down to that yeah and most teams start big so it probably not gonna not. GonNa kill me. I the one nice thing about that combination of Turner and Savona is they might actually finally be able to get a defensive rebound. That's been one of the the Achilles heels of this team and Turner I mean I was reminded again watching. USA and Fiba just how awful of defensive rebounder byles Turner as much as I like in most other aspects and that young wasn't really a great defensive rebound either for for all his brilliance on the initial a defensive position and they didn't really have mcdonagh. Vich wasn't a great read th they didn't really have much to defensive rebound but on so yeah it's interesting you mentioned Baton Sa- Bonuses Extension Eligible we just actually did our mock rookie extensions podcasts. Go back and listen to that if you haven't yet but we weren't weren't able to get there I was the player agent and we were counting in the four years between sixty six and seventy two million. I would guess even Savona. It might want more than that hard you feeling about those extension talks right. Now I mean I think they're going to work something out. based on what I was recently. in seventy million range is about right you know. I guess the question of you know the the figure you know miles. Turner got eighty million. Yes yes A- bonus with in theory slot in seventy million outright although that was miles turner last year. Let's remember that he had a real breakout your last year especially especially defensively so I mean at the time I actually was like why are they giving him the succession for this much when he hasn't proved that much et it turns out that looking like a decent enough contract so yeah. I mean that's that's the risk you know if he's able to play into the contract and ends up being a bargain and not not that bad of a deal. I mean you got it. I look at it relative to some of the other contracts that you see out there. It's not despite whatever deficiencies he has still pregnant contract in so yeah I would slots bonus us just in terms of overall dollars underneath at eight million and you know it's. It's you know he's by the way if I were him. I I would take that in a second as as a center in today's Day and age I mean that's just that's just too much guaranteed money to turn out but I mean he may feel differently. May WanNa go to his own team and started I don't know how he feels about it personally but if I were him I would be all over that and that's the thing you know I was just about to say that about centers like centers centers. There's not a whole lot of leverage that you have in the market these days than if you were a game and especially like him who's not a defensive difference maker and in him. I take that and look investable in the best world for the Pacers. Obviously the you'd find a center who has who has with Turner strengths are bonus scrimped on one guy right and it would open roster spot for you to do something else but the fact is based on the way. This team is built. I think they need both of them. At least for now and figure out what happens with Gogo and would he can be and figure out what to do from there because let's face it. If you end up making a deal down the line both of those contracts with Turner or PSA bonus or would be contracts that are I think easily moved and they you still have values in teams and yeah. It's it's but yes centers in today's. NBA Don't have the leverage that they had you know twenty years ago or hell even ten years ago. Oh so yeah if you can get seventy million is bonus. I take it because I don't see any hundred million dollar deals out there for guys his position or with his skill set right yeah yeah and while I think Savona says good. It's just I think the defense of limitations if you're a team the trying to get deep into the playoffs are a little bit too much for me. I May I kind of think of him as like like a real high end backup type of player you know I kind of have him more down in the twelve thirteen million dollar a year range a as a player that you know but I would be shocked to be took something like that. That's I mean. He's GonNa want legitimate star money because I think he's played a very high level and you know it was one of the best six in the league last year so so you think you'll get done i. I thought I'd see a lot of these uncertainty. Kenny play the four they've got a bunch of guys at the position is demand might be exorbitant by by guess asked would've been that it wouldn't get done for those reasons but but you don't see it that way and you obviously have more knowledge of it than I do. I think I think something gets done. I don't have the sense that there's any you know sometimes going into negotiations like that. You get a sense like man. This was gonna be surprising if they come to terms. I don't have that sense from from this innocent missing. You know maybe something's changed in the last couple of weeks but the last time I was talking to someone about this it it just didn't it. Just didn't strike me as it was going to be difficult. Whole negotiation should be and like I said if something you know it by them having Gauguin. I think that's kind of like hey you know we do have other options. Nations in the Pacers aren't in a position where is good as bonus has been for them. I don't think the position where they feel like they gotta give him one hundred million dollars to keep them. That's not gonNA HAP up in herb. Simon is not going to pay out that kind of money we can get into a little bit later in this conversation about how that is impacted some of the roster decisions they have or having made but yeah if if I can't imagine simone is trying to say seventy million isn't enough starting job he got. He wanted to be a starter in exit interviews last season season so they're going to make him a starter so they've they've agreed to at least try to make that work to appease him and so. I think they're Kinda on the same page about where the headed. I guess maybe it depends on the years or guarantees are expected to be fully guaranteed deal but who knows and I think it's it's tough to say we're here to a small market teams like Indiana that mentality. They don't like letting homegrown talent. Get Away herbs. I'm in expresses distasteful talk about a little bit more for the restricted free agency process and but I mean it's just that is a lot of money to put into two guys who you may not be able to play together. We don't really know my suspicion is it's not gonNa work that while I as I said so a and as you mentioned do have batons as if it were me I would be trying to trade so bonus right now actually and see if I could get you know solid first rounder for him now. Maybe that's not out there. did you have any conception of like what these offers might have been for Turner. I mean I think he's I think he's also think they should be looking at trade him but I think there are teams like Boston for example. Maybe with that Memphis pick where he might be the guy to get them. got back into contention in east because they desperately need his skill set you know maybe there's some other teams that would really want him and they say hey we got the bonus and Batat say that's good enough for two and we'll move turner instead. That could be an option as well. So what do you think all wore the the the the New Orleans before they made all the moves as if they were able to make New Orleans requested Turner that would've been awesome would actually been fantastic. They were you know in an I report is to kind of going into the Harem by reported right after the trade deadline or or or maybe going into season. the Pacers were interested in in in in in making a deal SA- Bonus was the guy I was told that was on the table. the one miles turner in the faces weren't willing to part art with mouse. Turn me I wonder if the pels because a one that I came up with a fake trade of the that number four pick for Turner in a we he trapped. I actually would have considered that if I were if our the pels. What do you think it got to that level of compensation that they're talking about in the soil said no was I was told the Pacers? Is it not that the PELS wonder teams that requested the the you know going into the draft. You know they were trying to get up. The Pacers tried to get to the four spot that pills pick and try to get to the ten spot with Atlanta's back and was vice versa yeah yeah it was four knowledge. The head and Mouth Charter was the guy that teams were the most interested in in any sort of deal. Now you know the the Pacers earlier in the season season like going around the trade deadline when they were trying to do some things you know they had a deal done from Mike Conley in her Simon Nixed from what I was told while Yup and they they had what I was also told of Otto Porter would have been a pacers uniform rather than a bulls uniform perform had his contract was stupid. They didn't WanNa take on that deal but the sides were pretty much in agreement about a deal out of port so that's two instances where so you especially the Cali deals really interesting because they could have gotten commonly in wouldn't have had to give up any other core guys. You're not giving up all the depot. Thad Young Bogdonovich not even miles turn the guy who I put out there at the time was Aaron holiday was going to be in the I got some push back on that. That wasn't the case of course then I stuck to my guns because I knew it was right and in in a later later found out yeah that was spot on that you know I assume there would have been some other draft pick compensation. I think it would have been out. I think would have been a first round pick. I can't remember it was one first round. Pick the first round pick Aaron Holiday Inn. I I can't remember if there was another. There was a second round or something else. I think there was a second round and I think it was that was that in you know I'm I'm. I don't have the the my notes in front of me with all the details on it but the core of it was the first round in day for Mike Conley so I if I did the Knicks Knicks at the Dunk Lou questionable be another another big contract. I guess it's a big contract and it's you know it's kind of. I tell people this kind of stuff all the time. You know it's kind of like you know soon when somebody's teams around the league. Don't make certain moves and you say man. Why did this team President Energy. 'em. Didn't do this sometimes and I know of instances where hey this guy tried to do that but he was nixed by somebody above and there's only one person above him. That's the owner like souther that happens a lot and or more often than people think it happened so it's not necessarily that the team is the people who are trying to make the deal or are smart nort wise. This is that you know maybe somebody above does. It weren't one cut checks that large for someone so yeah Mike Mike Conley Guy. I talked to Mike when I saw him in Las Vegas in the League. He talked about his possibility that he could have come to Indianapolis in. He thought that was a strong possibility as well so but you know it's you know so so it's kind of you know one of those things where you think of you know. What would the team look like if you would you would you look like if you had gotten out of quarter when he was on his way out from the wizards they try to send him to the Pacers as well and that didn't happen because he one hundred six contract yeah that that one I wouldn't have been as high on. I don't think he would have just been like expiring contracts for him and I'm not sure that that was really the debt that great of a deal but yeah that's that's really interesting to think about. I mean calmly some. We're talking about at that time as being a good even with old depot out they could have been more competitive in the playoffs last year and then he would have been a decent fifth with now a little bit more to to this year's team though how do you see some of these new additions fitting in on the wing now Lamb uh-huh Brogden Warren. They really a remade their entire one through three at this point How do you see that a group shaking out now with totally different identity for this team. I mean you can mix and match a lot better. you know with. Who's going to run the offense. the uh-huh. Pacers is very limited. You know what they could do previously which at College Certain Cory Joseph Tariq Evans who's really up and down last season so I I think you're more versatile I I think all all of those guys can kind of see and I've talked about how they bought into multiple spots and make make a little bit more flexible. Give him a little bit less. Predictability and you know kind of amazing to like this team was was a terrible pick and roll. I'm not sure I mean whether it was the only guy who could run a pick and roll your. It's amazing how bad it was you know and it didn't matter if it was the ball handler of the Roman the Roman couldn't finish or or make the right or necessarily make the right re out short roll all the time and the ball tailored couldn't finish in traffic or couldn't beat his man to create enough separation to finish all the depots only guy could do so they were really bad at that and I think that's the one thing that gets better with these guys of in how they fit in that less. I think you'll see less play call less less. You know you should in theory. You should see more magic nation for what they're able to do offensively so I think from that perspective alone this is far more options on the table. I mean be able to to be a threat on a pick and roll. I mean it kind of changes. I think a lot of other things on the floor for you whereas you know when I think about that they were able to win. Forty Games was in do what they did without Ola depot forty six it would be in so bad at the pick and roll it kind of blows my mind. I don't know how I don't know how the math goddess to forty eight wins the number three defense papers over a lot of sins yeah. That's true exactly yeah yeah and it's it's but my gosh what kind of defense you could. I think about it this way middle defense with the way they oh my gosh. I just kinda wondering how where did they. Where's a win total then around thirty thirty yes yes. I think it took a while to adjust to what Bogdonovich was doing. As well. I mean he was having really season of his life and took teams awhile to be right right. He's their primary guy. We're gonNA focus on him. We're GONNA take away his right hand and actually like you know really treat him as the number one option in them because they had that nice run right after all the depot went down and then you're kind of their five hundred after that were initially if memory serves they anything is one of the one thing that was kind of key if you looked at so after all the depot goes on January twenty third it was about a week where it was guman do like it was I mean they play. I remember going down to Orlando. They had a game one against Orlando Orlando and they blew it and that's what we're Landau. Seal started come on as a team to they went to. I think it was a DC play the wizards in you. We all know how bad that was. His were a game They blew that in they all of a sudden. We started losing the key. I think to their season last year. They beat the teams that they should be so yesterday. Everyday when ever they play the bottom half of the league they steamrolled or or they beat them. They seem wrote some of them. They barely beat someone but they won and when they played the better teams in the League they lose to win right but when you saw after only depot got hurt they generally had difficulty be any the teams and and they had difficulty beating the batch. It became a coin so that's why they would play it. They win a couple lose a couple win a couple of lose a couple win four in a row loose six in a row that kind of thing and so that Kinda Yoyo afterwards what are what are you get the impression of what they're expecting from. TJ warn this year because in Phoenix he was was Kinda Nigga. I think even to people with within the Suns Organization here he would suffer these odd injuries out there is any kind of like Malinga ring or or or anything like that but and he just goes away to North Carolina for the summer. They don't really hear much from him. He comes back and he's got this incredible. Three point shot now. He's shooting forty percent. I'd like pretty high volume when that it had been shooting twenty percent on really low volume the last three years before that and so and then he only but only did that for thirty or forty games and then you really was done for the season was an ankle injury and if I recall correctly and what are they expecting to get out of him this. Here's you can be a starter. You'RE GONNA play the three play the four like what did they see for me. I you know that that's he's those interesting guy of all of them. Because he's the one I I have lesser unless certain about because a lot of reasons. You just spoke of you know. He doesn't look part of his issue in Phoenix. Obviously he paid for four different coaches in five seasons and that's the thing coming a guy coming from Phoenix to me. It's Kinda hard to know exactly what he is because Phoenix is such a bad. How close is he better than guy we saw in Phoenix or is he not nearly as you know the the production when you look at his numbers or as nearly not that good. Is He's not anywhere close to even be in that good. I think that's that's that's. That's the thing with him. He's he's Kinda. Withdrawn personality like yeah. He's those the impression that I got. He's not he's not really They're going to have to work. I was told they're going to have to work with TJ to get him to adjust to kind of being more open and in dealing with facing people look. I'm not some medical God. I'm not gonNA say he's got an issue but I think him being around large groups of people it seems like look I I met him. I met. TJ He was fifteen. He was planned for David wests his Garner road a new team and I remember even back then I was at the facility with David of it and it and I think that's part of the connection to the organization still has a pretty good relationship with David West and you know he was with teaching at Summer League this year. We're in kind of you know. He can help be a conduit. I guess if you know to help with Tj in some ways because he kind of helped groom TJ to get to this point and I remember meeting TJ ag back then and you know high school kids are usually pretty shy as it is anyway and I was struck at that time how could barely get two words out and that was is back then and you know he's so I mean I think that's kind of tried to get him out of that show. I don't know if it's you know it's something that he just has difficulty talking. Talking to a group says he has some sort of anxiety if he just has to have somebody you know it phoenix like I said wasn't the best place in my opinion for a guy like him. I think he needs to to to an organization the Pacers and how they do things could be better for him but yeah. I I just think he's just hard to gauge from our my estimated nations he would he would fill the void left by Bogdanovich at the three but I think there's definite possibility when you look at the lineups that you could use him in a small lineup at four to spread but I haven't seen enough of him to say I definitely would do. I've seen enough of him in a situation at stable stable. I don't know maybe that's a bad idea. I don't know him he said I don't know if the ball's GonNa go in from from three the way it was just one of the craziest overnight night three point shooting transformations that we've ever seen yet the first half last year ESA thing like if you'd asked me last season about him shooting threes no he can't and then then I think I don't know if it was against the Pacers or there was a G- I take it back when he dropped. He dropped a forty spot. I WANNA say that was two seasons ago against the wizards it. Maybe it was more than two but I remember thinking like you know he's kind of you. Know I'm not that worried about teaching and then he just absolutely destroyed and like you see moments like that from him me like wow this dude can be really but you know. I think it's good for the Pacers. It's good you know. Maybe it's based on. What's left on his contract. He doesn't have a bad contract. is pretty good but yeah. I. I don't know if there's enough data on him or that. I've seen enough of him physically in certain situations where I can make definitive claim like you're gonNa you know he's got to play more for. I think you could play him at four and get away with it if he can hit that three ball. I I just don't know I can't tell you definitely for sure. That's a move that you have to make jake but I you know he's he's. He's one of the more interesting and intriguing is but I don't know a whole lot about him. Even not even I'm really tight with David West. Bend for the better part of a decade. I still don't know teaching and like I said I thought since I met when he was fifteen I would have a better report within than anybody else and that's just not the case so I don't know yeah me neither and him playing the four th that's okay if he could shoot that's going to be great for your offense but defensively defensively you know. I mean I think he's he's shown some quick feet at times but you know certainly hasn't been a quality defender over on his. Maybe you know make billon has really succeeded in getting guys who weren't good defensively to play while for him so maybe he could make some use of that potential up and he's still into to play the four in a lot of matchups for sure and they've got this really I guess we should let's talk about Brogden a little bit here at one of the things I wanted to ask you was. There's some reporting that that basically the reason they gave Brogden pretty big contract. He's to be making about over twenty million per season. He was at four for eighty six. I WanNa say it is about twenty twenty one okay yeah so so but they also gave up a first second rounder to get him in the side in trade trade from the box and the implication afterwards. I forget who it was reported. This is that basically herb Simon. He finds restricted free agency kind of distasteful. We're all all partners in this league so rather than give Brogden the offer sheet and get in without any compensation he just gave up the first and second rounder and got the bucks to agree agree to it number one it was that your impression of what happened as well and number two. What do you think of that. That's pretty much would happen. you know. I did ah a piece. Actually after preaching was pregnancy was done on the anatomy of how all this came about and you know from one perspective there were there were a couple of teams there about fourteen were serious threats to make Brogden an offer sheet right and you know you hear like Chicago's it was named mentioned in Chicago wasn't threat Chicago isn't a real threat for an opera sheet. They actually wanted to you know they wanted to get fat young and someone else and they weren't going to be able to pay within needed to pay to get Brogden so they WANNA real threat but if you know Boston is able to get Kimball Walker obviously Brogden just rockets to the the top of their lists things like that but so pacers new. There's GonNa be some suitors in the mixed again after him so you know they're part of the logic is you you know we may not get him in open We may not have the best bid or best offer. I see that makes and if we don't because there's other other teams if if there since was that there wasn't much competition for them. Maybe you go the offer sheet. Milwaukee Milwaukee wasn't going to match shortly after a certain point. I think that number was somewhere around sixty five million. I don't know that for sure but Milwaukee was going to be willing to go into the tax up until a certain point to keep Brogden but you know obviously. They had a number where they'd been. We're not GONNA be able to match in so that was kind of a thing talked a lot of people on on how this all came about but yeah essentially Simon has kind of an odd way. I guess you'd say of doing business I mean. Do you think I mean granted. Bogdonovich Donovan was an unrestricted free agent. Do you think the Utah Jazz give a damn about whether or not they hurt your feelings as an owner they take one of your offense players absolutely not so the this idea of Simon's version a restricted free agents kind of kind of kind of odd to me but I think there's also this component I mean you. You're there air for the Otto Porter Saga with the wizards right where I the nets make the deal is onerous as possible where he's gotta get paid off a bunch of his salary a affront as much as you can add a given the player option and the trade boats and then the wizards are like. Oh Yeah we'll screw you. We're going to take six days to do the physical for a player that finished the season on our team. So I mean you could see it does get contentious little bit and maybe in a way that unrestricted free agency doesn't Cering. That's just solely the players decisions. I do see a little bit of a difference there but I also think maybe more competitive approach could serve. I get it but yeah I I just I. I'm curious. How many other owners feel that way. You know it's just a cost of doing business. If it gets contentious you'd get over whatever and so I just. I found that kind of odd but you know that you know so so Brogden you know they. They kinda work out. They didn't actually she think they're gonNA be able to get him so I think it was so free agency opened if I'm not mistaken on a was it a Sunday so that Friday I had that you know based on how to win. Things were looking initial reports out there that the Rubio Ricky Rubio in the Pacers were basically agreement. We're going to happen you know he's going to be coming to the Pacers Yup so that same that Friday night. I had two tweets the first one that said although it looks like Rubio Pacers are a headed towards the eventual marriage with each other. I'm told that hold off that said should hold off on that. That's not done by any stretch of imagination. There's there's something else in the works. I don't know if I use the word signing trade but I kind of implied scientific. I didn't know the guy was groggy at the time but I did know that there was some something's cooking that they weren't really in love Ricky Rubio and so of course nor should they awful especially for the money that he ended up getting. Oh Oh my God that's why look at it in relative terms like Okay Brandon at twenty one million. That's a lot but rubio's getting seventeen million. I Pay Brogden twenty one million before I give rubio seventeen million. I mean Rubio's. If you WANNA talk about offensive problems last year for the patients oh my gosh so in Brockton complaint next to the depot and Rubio really can't no he cannot. That's the other part of it yeah. I mean you think their offense was bad was going through droughts last year with Rubio team. Rubio would have basically made any another another moves they made irrelevant in and I like Ricky at certain points of his career but last season. I felt like he was twenty eight. I felt like I was looking at a guy who's thirty eight but yes so they weren't in love with Ruby. Rubio was kind of an possibility like if all of these other options falls through through Rubio would be kind of like you know worst case scenario Kinda Guy but he wasn't at the guy and by the way to patients would not have paid him seventeen million. I was told the deal. The Pacers would have been at thirteen million which you know okay yeah. That's a little more real and so it's so Rubio's got more money by going to Phoenix and it Kinda makes phoenixes moves even more peculiar even the kind of things that I you know I say you give away. TJ warned you give Rubio seventeen million a year whatever but yeah it's the whole thing with you know Brogden. They thought they pacers that slim to none. They're going to be again and in and then announced a couple of phone calls or made David Falk who in Daniel Cancer got on the phone said hey you interested Lesean. We can make something work and eh that's kind of how the ball got rolling and then you know the owners got on a phone together to kind of help push it down towards the finish line and they would works up now because brogden broad like the idea of Planning Indiana they wanted to avoid you gotta remember faces a small to mid market size team have trouble trouble getting free agents so go go this route to get him rather than just make an offer sheet where he can take somebody else's offer sheet or whatever you get beat significantly by someone else. They didn't want to go to that and I understand it. I understand it more of you know. Hey you know you're in a position where you have trouble getting free agents. Is it and you gotta take the sure thing and and I think that was part of the equation as well to make sure you got your your Brogden was a high target of theirs in the off season. I think because you lost so many veteran guys you lost bogged. You'RE GONNA lose Bogdanovich. They had to get brogden because they didn't get Brogden. You probably probably don't get Jeremy Lamb and now you looking at a really bad off season potentially really bad off season. Braga was more than Lynch pin so that that makes her assignments position even though he was talking about animosity owners but I think from a practical standpoint you could argue. It made more sense because if they didn't get Brogden you know that that was you know when Jeremy Lamb saw Brogden was coming that may Jeremy Lamb more likely come signed with the Pacers so yoga so that kind of made it made it necessary to maybe go that route. I think more so than anything else I look at it from that perspective more so than well known is going to be pissed at me. I look at it more that you better give Bronco because if you don't who knows what this team looks like right now well and here's the thing we haven't talked about this at all yet but it really is the biggest question hanging over the Indiana Pacers says even more than the center issue over the next two or three years. Just how is Victor Oladipo GonNa come back. If he comes back at the same level that he was in seventeen eighteen year oh this team might be able to get into the group of the top contemptuous if he doesn't if he's more middling and just doesn't have that same otherworldly other-worldly explosiveness that he had that first year with the Pacers stable be Kinda Ron where they've been the whole time now seven seed six exceed fifth seed type thing at best but so so what's the prognosis he first of all. What's the latest on one. He's supposed to come back. It's still December hasn't it hasn't been anything really new. I saw victory. Last month talked him forbid He stayed away from talking about He. WanNa talk anything about his injury jerk. I think which you know look I think even though December time line is out there knowing Victor he's GonNa try to surprise everybody and come back sooner now that can and be a good thing or a bad thing as we know him coming back sooner from when we initially had issues with his knee turned out to be a disaster because it led to this this major major injury that he has it's. I mean given that. There's nobody active in the league right now who had injury that. Victor has mixed. It's a symbol as Tony Parker right it. It makes it hard to gain Gush if you know I'm very concerned Yeah. I'm very new soccer. There's nothing to go on and nobody I mean I I haven't talk. No one knows because of that so maybe it's not as bad as we think it is because we don't know a lot about the injury and recovery. Maybe it's worse than we think it is. It's I think what one thing I do know that whenever he comes back in that's why when he comes back everybody thinks he's GonNa hit the ground running and he's not gonNA play every the irony know that they're putting him on over. Put Him on a program to restrict him. You know the back to backs to two games in three days with Wolf. Especially when there is some implications shouldn't would you just alluded to that may be your. They pushed him a little bit too hard with some of the more minor issues that he was having to that led to this. It's a I'm not a fan of ever. Since my days of covering the wizards we remember Bradley beal kept getting a stress injuries. It's like just just make him sit in Komo br Bradley beal in John. Will now look John Walnut and Plame food injuries and well. The Guy Wants to play. We just let him play like no you you can't you have to somebody has to say you've had enough even if he's fine you looking at the long term management of it and you got to lose a battle sometimes sometimes to win the war and I think that has to be more mentality with guys with some of these injuries are these leg injuries and with all the depot earlier in the season while he was you know. I would have people say man all the deep. He's still on the All star level. I had a slightly different opinion up. He didn't look the same to me especially defensive his his lateral his ability to you know. I I remember seeing him and I can't remember who was against. It was against a guy who's like like maybe it was against John Lewis. You're caliber guy. I don't I don't remember it was John Moore himself or if he was even planning but he basically owed the depot sprint over in close him out and then plan plant in change directions to stay in front and he couldn't do it and this was probably early November in late October and man he was like he was stuck in the mud he couldn and he couldn't change directions to stay in front of A. I think it was John Lewis but it wasn't him. It was somebody of his level cholera so he could do that now. Thinking like yeah. He just doesn't look. I've been noticing little things like that here and there in Games. It's so then I started asking the question is he. Is He okay then he sits out for eleven games so you know because of the knee tendinitis he comes back the before he came back. We were in Los Angeles and that was the most surly I have ever seen. We're about to play wasn't yeah. Wasn't there like I think I might have actually been there for for that game as as a fan but like there's talk you is going to come back for one one of those games and then despondent that he wasn't ready. Yes yes. That was the L. H. That was the trip ruined Utah Phoenix. We're in L. A. and I think there's a fourth game Eddie Miss Sacramento or something like that and he was supposed so we yeah we thought he was gonNA play against the Lakers and he did with that afternoon. He was that was angry. As I've seen him in. You know it was like I don't know if I'M GONNA play. It was very clear. He wasn't gonNA play like she just experienced something that told him you're not ready and and so you know in it when when he finally came back he just looked. He looked the same to me. Like you know you have those moments of brilliance. You like man he's back. He's back then. I'll see him struggle defensively. I saw more more on defense than anywhere else. I mean you could probably argue that. You see on offense because his jump shot just wasn't thank. You didn't have the same balance the same lift the same. It wasn't as fluid all the time is it had been previously. I saw more defensive in his recovery that second effort. I didn't see that Spring and so yeah I think there's a lot to to be concerned about with him and I think like I said even if he comes back and he's going to be the victor. I still think they're going to be cautious with. We may not know if he's still victor until we get to you. Maybe around the All star break and so I I wouldn't even expect him to be great right out of the box and that's why I think this team is about a five hundred team when let's say Vick comes back say forty games into the season. If this team is twenty and twenty I think that's actually a good spot for them to be in because you think they got a lot the new pieces yeah for sure yeah victims back and is able to return anywhere close to four. I think you're in a good position even though on paper it doesn't look necessarily good and people we're. GonNa call. This is a disaster. Actually that would be a good spot for the team being with him coming back and then cross your fingers that he doesn't have any setbacks but I think you've got to be really cautious in thinking a long game here. If you end up having a Finnish under five hundred or miss the playoffs this season even that would be terrible for them but if you're going to get vic back at one hundred percent as a result. I think it's worth though short term people are short-term. Everything's is that disaster today. They don't really think about tomorrow. I think you really gotta look look ahead because if Ola depot ends up never be the same again for this is a recurring problem that ruins him then think about how far the franchise get back event yeah. We'll buy concern. I think it's kind of similar to Tony Parker's the only other player like remember who had this injury. He was different issues three five suffered at the beginning of May he was back in November the following year so that he could cast aspersions on Leonard later that's not the reason for not going back but I think these torn tendon and injuries. I think that's worse than an ACL and ACL. You're encouraged to bend it right away. You can start putting weight on it. You can prevent the muscle from atrophying as much whereas here where you have just a total terror and I mean there's nothing for your muscle to be attached to. You can work it until it heals in. You've got months basically of inactivity before that tendon is healed that you can actually start working the muscle against your really. You lose a lot of muscle mass. It's a lot of people does the problem with the Achilles. A lot of people don't necessarily gain that back so yeah I definitely I mean I think he could come back being effective player but I mean what made him so so ridiculous when he he improved his skill to be short but I mean what was so ridiculous about him was just the way he's able to blow by guys in pick and roll in that seventeen eighteen season and you know I really question whether that is going to be back. Yeah Hey somebody who's had. ACL Reconstruction and Kili Lee surgery on both legs. I can cosign all those things but yeah between us. We should like Tunis of the most of like food doodles of both uh-huh yeah. I've like I've had like basically every you can have other than like an Achilles wall so I can relate to a boogie because of his Achilles because you lose so much with that but yeah it's it's. It's it's true like the the the I think. ACL Is is a lot easier to recover from Rut. You'd ask me that you know ten fifteen years ago. I don't know that would have been the case based on medicine but the way we've recovery away the the sophistication of of the surgeries now 'cause I had I had to I had one surgery back in early two thousand and I had another one in two thousand eleven two thousand ten and he was completely different in recovery. The recovery was far better the second time so it's you know and yeah and we don't know a lot about this but yeah. I think you're right the whole tendon not allowing the rest of the lake to work. That's part of it and you know. He's you know victor's just like his his. That's why I think even if he's able to get back to his level a being that all star level is still going to take a minute just because that ability to just blow by people and create that separation. That's going to require a lot of power and are you. GonNa have that right off and is he going to have the confidence to do that. Consistently right off the bat who knows maybe this whole thing makes him. An even better shooter is a result and then you kind of slowly come along and you bring along the rest of your game the the offensive explosion with it. Maybe you know I I yeah. I don't know I I think there's something to knowing the way that he works. You know maybe he comes back about a jump shooter in. He's not a bad jump shooter on the move. He's not a really good stance the institute but who knows maybe add something else game eventually gets his legs back. One hundred percent in this is not a concern at all and even better player but that's still that's being being really optimistic about the situation I think is something that we have to evaluate in stages as he goes along because I think expected him to be himself soon as he comes back back you know it's not that's not really that's not realistic given given all the circumstances that we're talking about here all right so we're running a little long here. I don't WanNa keep you for too like let's let's is to a little bit of a lightning run here. Let's start with the some of these bench options in the in the back court on the wing so Aaron Holiday. TJ McConnell Edmund Sumner Doug McDermott Justin holiday. That's actually like a pretty decent group of five perimeter players that project to come off the bench. How would would you order those guys in terms of WHO's going to get the most playing time between holiday McConnell Sumner holiday and McDermott. I'd say holiday Aaron Holiday Today. It's the most I think he's the number. One Guy Mark his the backup point guard. He's backup point guard coming behind Brogden is Z. Ready. I think he's I think he's ready in. He's he's. He's physically mentally mature. He's really mentally mature buried. He's really I mean it kind of falls in line with the holiday the whole Holiday Holiday Fam- incredibly plan against your brothers who were older who are NBA players already. I just think it Kinda puts you mentally in the space. That's beyond what most people would be ready ready for. The State is mentally. They're physically. I think he's a very strong kid yeah but he's this faster temple. I think he's going to flourish in that. That's they need for him to maximize what they were doing. Last year isn't how you maximize any pace. The one thing that this team wasn't really good at keeping a consistent pace holiday is good at pace and now it seems like he has pieces around him on a team that are more that can kind of play with him and so I think as a result Aaron holidays going to be the guy that gets gets a lot aww gets most of that burned because I think he fits stylistically with. They want to be so I'd say holiday. I'd I'd bump up. I'd say holiday McDermott it sumner then the other Holiday Inn McConnell I think that's I think that's the way I would arrange it. Justin holiday ended up here you now. I didn't think he was gonNA end up here. All summer I mean it seemed like it was just got an afterthought and they had the room exception so hey why not his brother will get some more doubt there. Kinda Kinda Kintu into the Catholic wind signing. Who got the ruins. Your who was the death feast. They didn't really need him that much but hey why not on the team. It doesn't cost you anything you know. Salary Cap Weiser's using the roommate's bed wanted him early in the process. I've been putting I've been reporting out there like hey man you know. The pace is really WANNA get Justin Justin pursue another options options and those other options didn't come to fruition or slash didn't weren't willing to pay as much as he was going to get it at four four plus million with Pacers in that's why toward he didn't come terms with him towards the end because it didn't look like the they were gonNA. They were GONNA come together on it like it. was you know. I was told several times like yeah. He's kind of waiting it out and I guess things that break the way he wanted to elsewhere and you figure hey why not it makes it makes sense. You know he can be a guy that plays every couple of games and maybe does some good things for me and some of those five minutes but but yeah I I think that's I think that's a good offensive group versatile group you know in a couple of one of those guys does it isn't plan well a plane his best game you at least have web other options and last year. They didn't really have that many viable options. After you've got us you know the first or second dial bitch yeah. You could see a lot of configurations. Zip Holiday really blows up. Maybe they play Brogden next to him at the to it in some alive yet so or if Warren does shooting you could bring in McDermott or holiday potentially. Maybe maybe holiday could end up even starting at the three of Warren. Yo- looks like more of a bench score type so yeah I mean they do. You have a lot of versatility there. I'm sorry we don't have enough time for you to wax poetic how good Edwards must have to say that for for another time but ah I know you're high on him and then in the front court. TJ LEAF IS GONNA get any time at the four or dig. It'll just be mostly guys like Warren and McDermott moving up a backup power Ford Man. That's a tough one I think. TJ LEAF IS GONNA be Kinda used similar to what he's been used in previous years. He's Zinni good. He's good in a limited circumstance. He's I think he's one of those guys spot minutes. You need a burst of energy particularly rebound and he's good with posting up. Smaller guys could teams like the hide smaller guys on him. He's really good. That's the one thing the one thing that he's good at. The mouse. Turner isn't good at you. Put a small guy on M. Tj will get deep post position spread his feet turn into him and he's a good second jumper like you'll get that second and third jump on the rebound and get the tap and he's really good good at that but he was kind of seeing when he first came in as a spread big it. I think I saw last season was a guy who's more closer to the basket. He's a better player than he is spreading. Maybe he eventually becomes a three point shooter but that hasn't happened yet but I think he's better closer to the basket in spot duty when you just Kinda need that hey you know you need to get somebody a breather at the innocent quarters at the end of the half and or maybe you have a good matchup forum and you gotta find the right spots to use them so. I think he can be useful. We'll just based on the bigs at the Pacers have on the team. I'm not sure where he fits in terms of the minutes and if you WANNA play at this quicker faster pace and have guys as you can face up and boogie wooded off the dribble. I'm not sure where he fits. Maybe he does fit is the only big on the floor with four of the small guys. Maybe that actually is a good man I baby. That's a good alignment lime forum where he can flourish. I just don't know because I haven't seen him in that position yet. Yeah I would worry about that. A alignment defensively of couple pigs strengths and weaknesses. This is that you see for for this group over. I mean to me the strength ball handling as we talked about all the people now they have that can create their own shot run a pick and roll they'll be better. I think off on one on one a tax you know late late in games. You know you look at the Boston series they play too late into the shot clock settled for contested tween doing twenty two foot jump shots so I think they'll be better at getting you know extricating himself from those sort of situation so I think that's where they'll be better at. I talk talk about taste. The they'll play a faster more possessions which is going to be better for some of these younger. some these younger guys to play quicker. I still see I still see though the weakness is you know if it they don't run some bonus in Turner together for a significant period of time and they end up splitting him the way we think eventually they will. I mean I think rebounds probably GonNa be an issue in yeah. I was just thinking of really be atrocious. So it's it's you know. I think that that's still a glaring issue unless and these has aw has four sides now and maybe we shouldn't be talking about that until we're talking about playoff matchups but but like there's a lot more teams that seems like it you know and maybe that means Savona. Some Turner can actually play together but yeah. I think that's GonNa be a problem for sure and just so you know any kind of just defensive stopper on the wing. I mean they're just they're missing that too yeah. It's really no doubt no doubt it's GONNA put a lot of pressure. Put a lot of pressure on whoever's protecting the ramp to help cover some of those and so yeah. It's no doubt rebounding Linden rebounded involved in this is going to be real real real tough one so I got another one for you to a passing I mean so bodas might be the only guy in this his team that you would say it's an above average passer for his position probably true because maybe McConnell would be the only other one because that's all you can do is pass you the US Gore guys who can who can boogie with the basketball but you know as much as I like. Lamb is the ball. He's lonely treating himself. He's not creating people weren't. Orne is incredibly lowest. Guy Brogden is probably a below average passer for a point guard. Holiday is still you know maybe he could develop that but you strike me as more of a shock creator as well he played off the Balsam in college to Ola Depot is okay as you know when you look at these guys who are your primary options. You could throw some passes but he's still more Definitely Miles Turner probably needs to work on his passing using too for if they're going to run more softer him so yeah that's a that is a way that you could see how they got all these shot creators of but maybe they're less than the sum of their parts because they just don't move the ball that will and Macmillan's offense frankly has never been known for having a ton of creativity or Paul moving either yeah and that's going to be the biggest challenge to me like you know can nate khanate create an offense. Can He create something better. He says he needs better pieces. In order to get a better offense versatile offense while this is going to be the time to to put up put up shut up when it comes to because he's got some better offensive options and so you know that for me gene talking about key questions. That's that's the biggest question one of the biggest questions from me. Can McMillan make this a better. can make that work can make this work offensively yet yeah because individually they are better offense pieces but that doesn't necessarily mean as a team. They're gonNA be better offensively and you know you spot on when it comes to the past and I couldn't. I couldn't agree with that more all right. Let's let's predictions here. I will start with my prediction for the Pacers season. I'M GONNA PUT THEM WANNA. Let's say forty four wins for this group. I'm I'm concerned about oil depots healthy xactly that many games. I think it's GonNa take a while to feel things out on both ends. I don't think that Savona and Turner is going to work together that well and they're going to be committed to that at least early. In the season I do expect them to improve revoked. Obviously with the returnable depot as the season goes up but like you I say if we're all the depot back comes back if they could be at five hundred and I don't know like how they're scheduled breaks out in terms of how Oh heart is in the beginning of the end and stuff but just if they can play about the level of five hundred team given their schedule. I think that would be a win for the they're going to be under five hundred potentially when people oh come back in the you know maybe he can save them or they have some improvement overall but yeah. I think forty four for this group is about where I see them. Eh and if I had to go in a direction I might actually go a little lower than that of the again expect and be playing at a higher level than that by the time the playoffs rule raw. I haven't met forty three forty forty-three in a lot of the same things you know. They can be a five hundred team all that kind of stuff I I. I see this team. It kinda like in a similar to me. Do you have to look at the way I look at Brooklyn. Last year. A team that in the first half of the season didn't blow anybody away kind of really didn't pay much attention to them. You didn't think they were going to be that great but I think this is the type of team with all the new pieces new offense you know. I I think there's going to be a lot of things that we see early. In the season that we won't see by at the time we get to the middle part of the season. That's a bonus Turner's and starters getting significant minutes charges might be one of those you know you're. GonNa have to do a lot of mixing and matching and change some things up. All whole depot comes back and then provided that he's going to be fine. I think they can slow build in by the time we get to that last month of the season as you're getting ready great for playoff positioning they get better they you know they're more consistent and they have more of an identity so I could see them. You know I think as long as they're not not too far under five hundred when Victor returns only two to three or four games in a five hundred when he returns he's able to come back and make an impact in that easily gets to be can get flipped it. In then you know not only do you get a winning record. Make the playoffs but then it becomes what type of playoff matchup you get because you know maybe not a top foresee or top five seat anymore but if you get the right match up in the first round in you're playing at an optimum level way. Brooklyn started play last year maybe you you can end up surprising some people catching being under the radar. I think this team works better or at least psychologically when it's kind of nobody's paying attention to him Komo more so than being a favourite that people talk about so. I think that kind of fits they WANNA be under the radar getting better where nobody's watching and so I think this could be a forty three so you know maybe I'd be surprised if they ended up under five hundred only said they would end up under five hundred is if all the depot wasn't able to return to fool to you know his his full ability. If that what happens okay under five hundred totally possible as long as victory turns around the time. They said he does and he's able to kind of slow build himself back into optimum form. I think that forty thirty three forty four wins very doable. Get a good match first round in who knows you know. Maybe maybe you don't win a first round but put it this way I think at the very least you do better than the first round this year with this group and you probably did last year against Boston but then it will group yeah. I think you're right there and I as to talk about a best case scenario. Sorry for these guys again just with Ola depot just not GonNa play that many games. I think that's a little bit lower. You know I might put that at maybe forty seven which you know. I I may think think about this morning. At the start of the season I might lower them from from that forty four but I think the way that happens is you can say at least they have a lot of guys Brogden Brogden Lamb Warren who might have a chance to flourish a little bit more are young enough to take some steps forward and you know maybe miles Turner Erica. Take another step forward as well and that that's that's really how they're they're able to do it. You know I think that baby. That's how they're able to improve because again. I just I'm not sure or what depot can give them in the regular season. What do you what do you see. Is the best case scenario for these guys. the best case scenario. I would see somewhere around up in the I would say about that forty that at forty six forty seven window you know I I think that's a reasonable and I look at. Maybe maybe they wouldn't play off Rhonda. Maybe maybe it maybe they do. I look I think that's probably more important than anything else if they can get out of the first round hell even day ended up forty one hundred forty one somehow get out at first round of the playoffs take well they just they got me assuming it's. Philly rappers do sauce because they are not beating those definitely exactly. I agree with you there so yeah so let's say like succeed like Brooklyn last year and you're able to push scaring the somebody you know. I think that's I think that's very possible and he his I think every time we go into a season is something that we expect back to happen. Somebody who expect to be good who turns out to not be good in somebody who were completely overlooking or not given enough attention to like oh there's always a surprise is at least one surprise that we didn't see coming in always a guy who we thought was going to do X. Y and Z kind underperformed in so I you know in you know. Maybe maybe all the depots the guy who comes back sooner than we thought. Maybe maybe we keep plays more games than we think. I I don't know I I'm Kinda with you though that you know no no matter when he comes back if you're even if he plays more games than we expect is his minutes. GonNa be starters minutes in most yes now trivial. Probably I mean he'll be limited. At the beginning I would be shocked if he plays more than thirty two minutes regular season maybe until the very end when they're trying to fight for playoff position and in doing that cost you if you want and you know and it becomes so yeah. I like that forty. Seven Range is best case scenario. I think that's Kinda reasonable and I say between forty. Three is my prediction forty seven. If certain things break the right way victims back earlier plays better than we thought and all these other things happen okay fine but i. I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility for them to make the playoffs. I think making the playoffs in the east you know this. They're still going to be able to do that. It's just a question. The with the spots can be in yeah if these guys there's just so many new variables variables with this team. It's really there's there's a lot of fluidity on what can happen on the good side. It can happen on the bad side but I do think there's going to be a lot of pressure of you. You know McMillan scientists extension got extension last year but I still think he asked to he has something he's gotten what he want. I don't want it in terms of the personnel at now. He has to deliver from his side. Because you know the biggest the biggest issue I had you know I was talking to somebody with the Pacers recently about theft as as you know I still had issues with that young spreading as four last year and how they could not figure out him spreading to three point line the Boston series should not have been then when you realize that was going to be an issue they were going to guard him. I are remember. They had one game in that series. I think I I can't remember his game two or three where where there was just a clear edict of like. I don't care if you haven't been shooting them before. You need to just shoot every single three. I think that got up like six three point two times. The net gain like made one but like a Turner started bombing. Do you remember that game just like yeah. I figured you'd shoot it. As soon as it touches your hands right at the beginning and an I remember because nobody was one of the coaches on Boston had said that they knew when they could when they got fad the ball on that corner corner and he hesitated on pump on taking it. You know once you get. If you get an open you just gotTa take it. You can't pump fake didn't take your chances of making it goes even down I like and that they were reluctant to take the he was reluctant. Take shots. They knew that okay. He's not. He's not gonNA take and they're. They're hesitant to to pull the trigger that they had him because that's kind of Boston was was trying to do. They were trying to make him shoot and do something that he wasn't comfortable doing and but yeah. I can't remember the game I would. I would guess maybe game three against Boston. Maybe we're talking about whether it happened but yeah they had to and and that was the problem and and so because he's not good at he wasn't going to sprint to the three you know. I was surprised they didn't make any e put him in a dunker spot or short the the pick and roll short the pick and roll the way to Ronald did so well with Pascal come up with a little bit more creativity. There said maybe you can make more useful at the Pacers did a lot of that in the post season to counteract with Boston was doing and so yeah so as a result. That's why why I say you know. McMillan has these pieces who are more versatile so I think part of it is also on him to Kinda to make this work as well I think they got to get a better off pensively because they are going to be worse defense. I think that's very no doubt about it. I think you can take that to the bank so if you're going to be playing better pace with better shooters better ball handlers whereas if anything yes you should you should at least be able to get more points and by the way the game we're talking about was game. That was the game that fan took five three YEP. all right well worst case scenario for these guys. I'd say maybe down at thirty four wins. Maybe we'll depot is an effective if he doesn't come back early the defense you know I I could see quite possible that the defense could fall into the bottom half the league miles turner is good but I mean you're at Brockton is okay but they do have a lot of holes on this team. Defensively eventually a Lotta guys with the reputations of being more. Ill Lamb Warren Kinda more one way offensive score types that McDermott obviously has never stopped anyone wants so I I that could happen and then you know you could see the offense being your you can even see the offense being below average as well with because while they do have some guys can score. They don't have any elite shooters a position and they don't have any elite often suppose. They have a lot of guys who can but nobody who you're like. Oh man this guy is unstoppable who you know the other team is really bending their defense towards every night so I could see them. Falling into the mid thirty S in Windsor easily with with this group the below average offense anti about thirty five thirty four wins is the worst case. My biggest concern aside for thinking about on a court is the the WHO who who runs the locker room now and that's always been kind of a strength of the team and you've gotten rid of your that's the biggest I know for fact. That's the one thing that the pace is most concerned about. There's no Al Jefferson as there were a couple of seasons ago. There's no Thad Young Darren Collison Nucor gyms hell so you don't even have older depot to start the season locker room so things start to go sideways early. You gotta get the train back on track. Who's going to be the guy to do that and they don't have very many. Yes Brooke Brockton. I think is someone who's really I mean. They have a lot of hype character. Guys Brogden Turner Depot just a question of whether those guys have kind of that assertiveness yet they because when I go back to last season with Tariq Evans who was great at certain he was really good in certain stretches even defensively and then obviously when he started having certain issues you could see how has his his game went down then in the playoffs he he did some good things for them against Boston but Evans would not have been on the team if it worked for Thad Young Darren Collison cordial's because he he was almost released on three occasions that I know of and those three got just for like like missing practices just being like this union being malcontent or a number of content but he was just kind of pushing boundaries. He's a lot and if it weren't for those three guys in depot. Getting injured probably helped helped his case to stay as well because they needed to have offense somewhere if they did have those guys that that locker room no telling what happens and so I think it kind of underscores how important those guys were to keep our Evans was a good guy. Good person people liked him sort of stuff but he obviously was going to file a team rules but not necessarily a guy like that on his team they do. I don't know who that would be but if you had a situation either that or whatever it could be that you need somebody to steady the locker room missing three of those guys who can kind of help right the ship hip if they don't have that last year you know our conversation right. Now is probably completely different because you know this team. This team would win the tank a lot sooner. We're not on the team that we see they would've even you know they'll probably. GonNa drop instead it to the fifty. They may have dropped even further than that last season if it weren't for those three guys near leadership alone so they do you have good guys that do have good personnel isn't locker room. I still wonder do they have enough chemistry and are people going to listen to the newcomer and Brogden if you are in that situation listen. I don't know I mean I would imagine. TJ McConnell. I heard a really good voice in the locker room. I don't know a lot about him personally but I I really good things about him so I would imagine he would step up in some capacity capacity as well but still there's a lot of unknowns that you just don't know how some of these things can shake out yeah. You know the more I think about it a big. I'M GONNA lower by prediction to forty two wins my overall overall production okay I just I have to be more pessimistic than the gas like I 'cause. I as I started going through. I don't like it when my best case scenario. I'm way closer to either my pastor worst-case scenario with by overall prediction and just starting to think about it. I'm just like you know like the the Party line. Is there much better offensively but you'll Bogdonovich was unbelievable last year like I don't know if there's anyone who necessarily early is like. Oh this guy's going to be as good as by down which is going to take a decline as well probably because he had a career year but who's GonNa give them. He was really efficient a great shooter effective driver of and then you know the loss of young as well. I'm worried about the defense like I think that possibility of them being below average in both offense and defense is and certainly before depot comes back so you may be. They are really a below five hundred team without him so I think a AH ultimately go with forty two more I think about it. I'm like yeah you know what the and this A. I'm not as impressed with this group because like you kind of did like okay and then out at another other towns pretty equal so all right I'll be the season is about the same as as last year and then the bonus Turner thing while I don't know that they're going to have that much spacing with that that group so yeah I think I I will go with with forty two with the thought that could be playing a lot better than that. By the as I really talked through kind of changed okay we better stop dropping to forty one. Yeah we'd better I kept here for for for way too. Thanks so much for calling appreciate it and look it up looking forward to catching up during the season right. Thanks man anytime.
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You Can Feel it in the Hand
"Honestly you feel it you feel it in the fabric like you can tell good quality Cordera. Hey that a marksman tribe welcome back to another episode of Everyday Marksman Radio. This episode twenty. Two and I'm your host as always Bat Robertson former military officer turned the tech sector corporate grunt outdoors enthusiasts shooting nerd and most importantly your faithful friend. Now and this week's episode. I have a special guest. Cody Hamill who is a kind of out of nowhere guests for a show like mine? Ahi popped up in the comments on one of my blog posts. Several weeks ago about load-bearing gear and he just threw a shadow at saying nice to see somebody actually getting out there and using stuff and writing about it and I had to ask myself. Who is this person who just made this comment under the name? Sojourn GEAR S E W J O U R N and so I clicked the link. I find his instagram profile. And he just has all kinds of videos and he's very happy Quirky Guy. Who enjoys making gear so this is not a sponsor episode or anything like that. This is a straight up. This person just seem like somebody I wanted to talk to and his really fun back story about how he was trained as a logger and then jumped into actually producing gear. professionally. And now. He's off on his own trying to do stuff and the reason I wanted to do. This episode was two fold number one. I've always been interested in learning how to make stuff. And our toyed around in the past D of buying a heavy duty sewing machine and trying to make a couple of things here and there or at least customizing my own gear. I get those questions here in the interview but also just. How do people go about doing it? And recognizing good quality gear because all of us know all the brands like your first beers h SGI and s tax and may flowers and many more who make great quality gear But we don't hear a whole lot from the little guys who just are doing out of their garage and with just ingenuity know-how and that is why I wanted to talk to cody today. So would that. I'm go ahead and step back. Let you listen to the interview. Don't forget to check back in the last couple of minutes. I'll give you some my key. Takeaways cody walk them to the show. Thanks banker happened. Make the honor to be here all. It is an absolute pleasure so I WANNA get sort on the first question of the day which is tell me about your background so I grew up in Minnesota working for my dad. Cutting treats that's my real. Trade is like climbing trees with chainsaws. And that's what I grew up doing and it's awesome but in school. We had a sewing class like a homemade type class and it was really fun to to make something. I'd never really made something before. And it kind of sparked something and my dad old singer sewing machine so I kept. Kinda sowing at home. My old favorite backpack wore out and I just tried to make a new one and I just fell in love with making stuff you know. So cody tell me what took you from sparking that passion in school to making gear professionally fulltime. I I worked on my own or a couple years and then a couple of my local Minnesota buddies ended up riding their motorcycles to San Francisco of all places and I ended up following them out there after they had found a spot to land so and ended up enjoying it out there kind of hip urban environment and I've got a bicycle and I rode around the city of San Francisco. Just looking for sewing jobs you know and I was able to find this really neat. Little business called Rickshaw bag works and the dog patch of San Francisco met with the owner marked white and we had a cup of coffee and hit it off and he hired me that day and I worked. Ram for about three years cool. So so you kind of did the San Francisco life on this different from Minnesota. How was that for you? It was like I say it was fun. I was young moved out there when I was nineteen and You know I'm pretty happy. Go lucky kid. It's like wow. This is cool out here. And just you know riding my bicycle around the city and With my backpack and it was it was fun. I wouldn't want to go back now. It's just getting so hectic with all the tech boom and and all that but it was really fun while it lasted. It seems like an a lot of companies are out in San Francisco that kind of have a similar vibe to them where they make us high-quality softened now think there's triple designers out there yeah Excellent company I've actually been to that shop in San Francisco so there's probably a real close to show then. Oh man money so okay cool. So you do this in Francisco life kind of where you kinda got a lot more experience doing the sewing then yes. That was like a full time job. I just worked with March and we would kind of just sketch designs for a new bag like a backpack or a Duffel bag or Zipper pouch. You know simple stuff and then I would just develop it make sample and then you use it and make tweaks and then and then go from there. So what was the biggest thing you learned from doing that? it's a. Lotta work to to turn an idea in your mind into a finished product like Just a simple MAG POUCH. And it's simple as that is you. GotTa make the thing you've got to use it and you got to tweak it and there's just there's a lot that goes into bring up a product from an idea to a finished product. So how'd you go from Doing Messenger? Bags in San Francisco to making tactical gear outdoors gear. So when my time and San Francisco was done I moved back to Minnesota and started. I met Kinda got involved with the Group of friends that was into a little bit of preparedness but like shooting guns. I had never really shotguns growing up and I'm like dude. This is cool. Gun are funded. Shoot and Ah Course what goes with. Guns is your gear to carry your You know your backpacks in your chest and your little pouches and I I love it. It just goes hand in hand so well so tell me the story of the first time you've ever shooting then what happened. On the first day you ever went shooting well there. We were a big group of friends was Kinda doing like a meet up over the weekend. You know Different classes were being taught by different people and stuff it was it was fun and of course they had a shooting class so everybody had their guns laid out and everything was relatively safe and you just had to stand at. I don't know five yards or something and shoot at the target and I did decent. You know nothing nothing too crazy. But it just felt really cool to build a hit. What you're aiming at To satisfying for some reason and then it just kind of went from there like shooting fun to like taking few training courses to like. Now I carry my gun on my person. Twenty four seven Just what are you can cut Mostly a Glock nineteen and I'm not ashamed of. It shouldn't be it's funny. I feel like that's probably a question. I should ask everybody this right off. The Bat is like what do you carry so when you started you recognize that. Hey there's a need for gear what what drove you to make that first piece. Is that something that request? Somebody made you just recognize it need so I mean I mostly when I got going you know on my own like backpacks kind of my focus. Because I I always have a hard time finding backpacks that I personally like. There's there's always something that I don't like so I'm like well if I can't find one that I like I'm GonNa make one of my own kind of like Classic Army Rucksack Style. That just has a plaque with two buckles upfront. And little water bottle pockets and Turned out horrible. Terrible terrible well I. I didn't have a industrial sewing machine so I had a really hard time getting through. I used cotton canvas at a really hard time getting through the thicker seams and I didn't have any binding takes. I used hot glue to seal the seem so they gray and it's just so funny but you gotTa start somewhere right So how long have you started doing this as a full-time gig probably two or three years From what I tried to make my first backpack to to where I went out to San Francisco and I just showed showed my boss or to boss stuff that I made like. Hey I can make this and apparently it was good enough to get me a job so I take it. I didn't get into shooting until after I moved home from San Francisco. Okay so what was the first thing he made once. You came back. Probably more backpacks. There's always something to improve on. But you know I make a lot of duffle bags different shoulder-bags lots of Zipper pouches Stuff like that you know and that catches up to to now where I I see your instagram stories in Youtube. Where you're making precision-shooting stuff a lot of time. It seems like we've got slings. Are you've got Bags for pudding rushing rifles on and shooting bags and magazine. Pouches for that matter. So what's your favorite stuff to make now the beauty of I to make all kinds of stuff right now. I do primarily custom stuff people contacting mostly from instagram. A little bit from Youtube and they'd just say hey. I need this. I need that. So that Kinda dictates what I make You know I'll make a backpack for someone. I've made a handful of chest rigs at made a handful of custom plate carriers for different people You know duffle bags. General purpose pouches You name it you know why the name so Jordan Kerr as a cool question. So so jaren gear is it kind of comes from like like the Bible a little bit like like Abraham you know. Kinda like one of the guys early on. He was like a sojourner the sojourn means to like temporarily dwell in kind of like a foreign land. So I guess you know. We're all kind of so draining on the earth if you will But then of course it's spelled S. O. J. but I so excited s e w j o you are in so Jaren gear and I'll definitely be leaving a link down to your website in this episode to you know for somebody who who. I am not a I'm geared nerd mark. I know that's true. But how do I recognize? How do I recognize something? That's well made like I know. There are certain companies that you generally going to build a trust more for something quality but what makes something more quality. How would you recognize that? I love this question. Quality speaks for itself. Like if you pick up a pair of redwing boots or something you you just pick it up and you'd like Oh my gosh. This is a quality piece of gear But I mean to get more into it. Honestly you feel it you feel it in the fabric like you can tell good. Quality Cordera versus like a lot of the Chinese fabric has a really cheap kind of vinyl backing to it. And that ends up. You know flaking off and It just feels Kinda. It doesn't feel good you you look at the stitching you know. Higher quality bags tend to have a little bit tighter stitching and then look at the stress points on the shoulder straps on the certain webbing high stress points. It should be back at you know. Lots of thread laid down It should have form and function. Each thing should should look good. It should function good. It should do what it needs to do. Well and Yeah quality speaks for itself. Okay so when you want to make a design. What's the first thing that you sort of thinking about? You mentioned you want to be invalid function so I guess that's where we start right when I'm designing a new bag or or chest rig or whatever I take everything I want to carry and put it in a pile and that of gives me idea of how big it needs to be. Maybe a couple of different pockets that that's what I start with and then you just about stuff I think. I don't spend a ton of time on sketching stuff out. I get kind of a general like super sloppy sketch. And then I just start cutting Pattern pizzas are you usually start with the foundational piece like the back piece of a backpack or something and made sure everything is square. And then you just start building. Everything like a puzzle piece around that making sure every piece kicks the next and You kinda just take it from there. So it's kind of so you say it's kind of like a puzzle then just kind of have to visualize what you want the end. Look like and get there. How many how many times it takes to do something. Like if you WANNA make it backpacking. You're just gonNA have this idea. How many iterations you go through to get there. I've made so many different actors and I've thrown away so many patterns just didn't work You know I'm still in the process. I'm by no means an expert. My favorite Backpack company is mystery ranch out of Bozeman Montana. Oh Yeah I I've been there okay. Dana gleason I've never met him. I hope to one day but he is light years ahead of this. This little kid But like I say yeah it takes a lot a lot of trial and error but you gotta put in the work and you get to get there by not doing it. Yes that amen to that not gonNA lie. I'm curious now because I have toyed with the idea of my wife of what if I got a sewing machine and kind of assorted modifying some of the stuff. I already own for instance. I have a backpack have many backpacks bag nerd but I have one from a Finnish companies. Have Ota that I would love to add like a little sleeve for my axe at. That'd be really handy way to carry my axe but that's a few layers of Cordera on top of what's already been there so I mean where do I start like if I want to make my own gear like where do I start. Well I would say go for it. There's there it's a big world out there and there's room for everybody like so don't worry about. I mean I try not to worry about competition I just try to make a good product and You know people like it. They will buy it So that's something to think about. But as far as getting going my first machine that I got that I still run each and every day is a Adler walking foot machine and we're talking industrial machines here. So there's a couple different varieties. There's just like you're a believe it's called the drop stitch that's just like a conventional Sewing machine the needle just goes up and down. Then there's the needle feed machine where the needle bar actually helps to feed the fabric through it runs back and forth and then the the heavy it's the heaviest duty machine is the walking machine where the feet and the needle bar actually helped walk in cold that fabric so it's it's really good for sewing through thick layers of fabric through you know foam and shoulder straps and stuff like that And you can do. You can do all kinds of stuff. You don't WanNA show underwear with it but but it's really good for you. Know Cordray in gear related stuff. You know gun belts and stuff like that. Okay so I got my curse walking foot. Industrial machine on craigslist for like seven hundred bucks made sure worked. You know before I bought it and I haven't had any trouble with. It's a beautiful machine. It's super old and I love it So that's that's a good place to start Get the right machine for the job. There's you know sewing machine mechanics are pretty few and far between these days but if you can find somebody in the industry maybe even go to your local upholstery shop or something where they have industrial sewing machines and just like show them. What kind of stuff do you WANNA so through and see if they have ideas look on craigslist Because you don't you just gotTa you don't want to spend all this money on a brand new machine just like get something Play with it and and see those for you. You know in researching for when we were GONNA talk. I was looking into machines like that and it seems like that. The advice is really commonly. Go find some old machine. That's been used because they built to last forever and just make sure it's running right. Yep that's what I did works. Great earlier you mentioned in industrial sewing machine so I assume that's what we're talking about now. I I'm not familiar with the Adler. I know a lot of pictures. I see Juki is another one but I mean we're talking heavy duty at that point. You can't really use that for other stuff. Though well tools are set up to do different things I mean you. Can you can use different thread waits and you have to change the tension and I'm not super good on the mechanical side But generally industrial machines are set up like each machine is kind of set up for this type of sewing. It's trying to do just kind of like rifles like you. You might have an ar with a short barrel with a red dot on it and then you might have your bolt gun with a really big scope on it okay. That's it's no because in this conversation with my wife. I was like yeah. We should totally get this big sewing machine. And she's interested in coming making dresses and things so it's probably over killed him so aside from the Adler which you've got Is there any other machines? Recommend somebody start with there. Is I have four machines. Have A surger for over lock machine walking foot machine. And then I have a needle machine which I do ninety percent of my sewing on and it's a highly and according to my sewing machine guy he said don't get sucked into like the brand necessarily because a lot of just liking car parts A Lotta companies use the same guts. And then they just like to put their name on it So my highly machine has like Japanese. It's which comes from China. The highly does but the guts of the machine come from like Japan. A Lotta them So as long as it's you know a professional industrial sewing machine you know from what I've seen. You should be pretty good to go now as far as making patterns like when you got started. Was there any patterns? He kinda got started with or did you kind of do it all yourself. No I didn't use patterns and like I say I'm not the sharpest knife in the box I didn't even really think about patterns. I just tried to start cobbling stuff together and I probably learned stuff like the really hard stupid way. But but you gotta start somewhere. I you know once you kind of get the fundamentals of how to lay out things and how to make your own patterns. Then you know your off to the races now. I can turn a sketch and just have some basic dimensions and boom. You Got Pattern. When you said you learn things the hard way what was what was the biggest lesson you learned the hard way. Show anything you're making. Everything has to match up right and everything has to be like like When you're building building everything has to be like plum and square right Everything has to match up and I just didn't understand how to do that. And I'm still not perfect out but you can use notches. You fold the fabric and cut a little notch and the fabric in the centers of stuff. So you have a reference point of of cheap true and You know helping stuff line up correctly. It's a it's a puzzle. That's what it is now. Are there any if someone wants to get into doing this other any kind of online communities or resources or anything like that that people can go to get started or is it all diy? Great Question. I'M NOT I. Oh boy. That's a great question. Us sewers are few and far between I feel like sewing. Such underground mysterious world like people's grandma like use Kosovo and like people might know guy who sows but man. It just seems like it's such a rare like secretive thing that from my experience. It's hard to find other people who are into sewing much less like like share information I'm not super techie on the Internet. So maybe there is. You know sewing forums and stuff. I'm just not there But the best thing that helps me. I'm a gear nerd to. It's just like looking at other other gear like whenever I see. Somebody have a backpack on. I'm like Whoa like let me like. Take off your backpack and let me look at it for like two hours and studying and You know every like going to the sporting goods stores always awesome. I just like look at how everything is made. And you just kind of get ideas on on how stuff is put together and looking at looking at other people's gears huge Ideas and stuff. Have you ever taken something apart to to figure that out or you kind of all the time? Okay see you break out. The was it was a stitch ripper was called seam ripper. Yeah being improper. Yup Disassemble into all the component parts and be like. Okay got it exactly. I feel like I would be that would conflict so hard with my my gear. Because I wouldn't want to sacrifice a piece of here I know but sometimes like for for packs and stuff. I got a fair handle on for more clothing and stuff. That's when I'm on like sacrificing quotes because I'm not as good at at a payroll. I make my own pants and sweat shirts and jackets and I actually just bought a cheap jacket at the thrift store and I liked how it fit so I I'm going to cut this vice jacket into pieces and lay flat on the table and make a pattern out of it just kid and I would. I would like took apart my friends Nintendo to see how to see how it works. I'm air quoting. He definitely. Of course I. I don't remember if I've figured out how to put it back together again. So sorry I've been there too. You get stuck but was it is one of the Nice things I think. The first ever built an ar as an example that was we really saw how it all came together. I feel like I didn't get it until I had to buy all the individual pieces and assemble. Yes alright cody when it comes to gear. What is something that you wish people would stop doing? Wow I wish people would stop doing. I mean people can do whatever they want. I'm not gonNa tell somebody what to do and what not to do I mean I. I get frustrated by cheap gear gear. That's not made well Because that's like what what's the point making stuff takes so much time effort energy and money was like what's the point of making something that that doesn't function well for what it's designed for and You know typically stuff that's made in America especially like tactical gear tends to be pretty rock solid. 'cause people take pride in that that they're making themselves in America and but anyway I dunno cheap gear kinda bothers me because it just it just bothers me. Yeah I feel like I. I get that I see that. Not just in gear but just across the board where someone wants something but then they wanna go get. So they'll get the knockoff. One of it. It's just not made as well like you said you can feel. The material isn't as Nice or the St Patrick's loose and then it's going to hold up for like you know a few months worth of use whether or not that actually works out for them. Depends on how much they actually use it versus right. No I I I put. I put the optics what I've people do optics of the past. Which is though by something super cheap and they'll put on the rifle and at the never shoot the rifle. They'll never nonni better. But when they take something serious competition or a training course and then it fails on them. Then they'll go buy another of the same optic and they'll do that three times and by the time they got to the end of that the the amount of money you spent on three of those what about you one decent one that allows you the life of the rifle and then the next one right. Amen all right cool. All right cody. that's actually all. I've got so. How do people get a hold of you? Like what's the best way to get a hold of cody if someone wants to get something made so? I do primarily most of my stuff on instagram. My account channel is so jaren gear. That's S E W J O U R N Gere Sojourn Gear You can send me a direct message and we can go from there. I do have a website. Sojourn GEAR DOT COM. I only have two things on the website. But it has my email and contact information there as well and That's the two main places and we'll definitely put links to those in my show notes here so people can find that. Sure our cody well. It's been a pleasure talking to you. Thank you very much taking the time Matt. I I like you from the first post I read on your everyday marksman website so keep up the good work man. thank you appreciate it. You know I love highlighting stories of everyday people who are doing cool stuff and I would love to do a lot more of that in the future. This is after all the everyday marksman not the professional industrial great marksman or industrial scale. Production Marksman We are the PODCAST for everyday folks. Doing cool stuff so talking to cody was just a good time. There's a light didn't make into this conversation just as an interview to a manageable length But I hope you enjoyed it now. I had a couple of good takeaways from this one. But I'll I wanNA start with what I thought was the most important one and that is quality gear. Speaks for itself. Cody made the point. That you can feel it in a Nice well-made piece of Kit when you pick it up and touch it you can. You can feel the material you can feel the weight of it. You can see how well it's put together and it just seems like it's going to last a lot longer for you versus something. Maybe you paid a fraction of the price for But it starts fraying within the first week of you using it. So that's number. One is that by quality gear. Because you know it's going to be made right ends going to last you forever as long as you can do your part to take care of is going to last you very very longtime now number two out of this one and I'm going to have to big takeaways but number two is that sometimes you just have to get out there and try it. I loved that cody talked about just getting out there and trying to make something and have turned out terribly with that was okay because he learned from his mistakes he kept trying at it and eventually got a job actually producing gear backpacks and bags for company professionally where he learned the INS and outs and then came back for himself. And he's still learning as you know I say all the time. Mastery is a long path. You don't just get to it and Beatles you have to put the time in day in day out doing things and then learning from now behind the scenes in this one Cody I had been working on an ammunition pouch for use with precision rifles. So if you are new to the show then just to catch you up in this one. I am slowly working my way into precision rifle shooting doing Pierre. S and Ari'el that kind of stuff and while all of my current gear is built around tactical shooting with air fifteen. Thirty Ron mags Peres. A little bit different. So I approached cody with an idea. And we've been going back and forth on it so Be Nice little way to carry some long range magazines. Asef's format if you know what that means To competition or even more of a tactical use because I always try to think dual-purpose in the future more info on that in the future as it comes to fruition but for now I wanna say thank you very much for listening. Today's episode if you liked what you heard I only have one call to action for you a marketing and give you a long laundry list of things you could do for me. So here's the one thing that you could do right now to help me out. Share it with friends go ahead listens. More episodes. Wanted to be sure that you like what I'm doing here. I hope you do. But here's my one thing I would love for everyone out there to do. Share this episode or any other episode that you liked with a friend help us get the word out there and help us all right. That is if this week everyday marksman tried I will catch you next week. Have a wonderful weekend. I'll talk to you.
Closing Bell Brief for Friday, October 18th
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Closing Bell Brief for Wednesday, October 9th
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Closing Bell Brief for Wednesday, October 16th
"Eh indeed dot com slash W. J. that's indeed dot com slash W. S. Jay. This is your closing bell brief for Wednesday October sixteenth. I'm Charlie are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your short list of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today were expecting a small rise. It was the first decline in retail sales since February Wednesday's report suggested consumer spending was unless solid footing amid concerns nations while it's domestic subscriber growth was weaker than expected for the second straight quarter meantime global subscriber growth topped analysts targets it's the last report Johnson and Johnson has reportedly offered to pay about four billion dollars to settle all lawsuits in the US accusing the company of contributing to the OPIOID addiction epidemic trade tensions are weighing on the global economy and dampening consumers outlook netflix reported its quarterly results after the closing bell the streaming giant's earnings topped analysts expectation one the Nasdaq composite lost twenty four and the S. and P. Five hundred dropped six the Commerce Department reported that retail sales fell three tenths percent in September most economists stay dot com or the WSJ APP indeed used by over three million businesses for hiring post a job today at indeed dot com are for the Wall Street Journal the major averages edged lower as a weak retail sales report pressure the markets the Dow Jones Industrials fell twenty two points to twenty seven thousand for two major competitors Walt Disney and apple are to enter the streaming video field with offerings that even combined cost less than Netflix is most popular plan.
Closing Bell Brief for Friday, October 25th
"Eh indeed dot com slash W. J. that's indeed dot com slash W. S. Jay. This is your closing bell brief for Friday October Twenty Fifth I'm Charlie are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your short list of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today sued for hiring post a job today at indeed dot Com Slash Higher Asif Assembly plant in Lordstown Ohio for more head to wsj.com or the WSJ APP indeed used by over three million percents market performance continues to hinge upon trade news stuck gains accelerated and Treasury yields jumped higher after reports Friday that the US and China made progress the new labor deal with GM resolving one of the nation's longest private sector walkouts in years and allowing the carmaker to restart its US factories GM workers voted to approve hearing nine thousand jobs the agreement covering more than forty six thousand blue-collar workers will also allow GM to move forward with closing three US factories including how's it gained fifty seven the S. and P. Five hundred rose twelve for the week the Dow gained three quarters percent the Nasdaq rose nearly two percent and the S&P added one point two late Thursday Intel boosted it's outlook for all of two thousand nineteen the forty day strike at General Motors is over the United Auto Workers Union said Friday it has secured the new four year agreement which includes better wages hefty signing bonuses and a commitment from GM to invest seven point seven billion dollars in its US manufacturing operations. Susan here at the Wall Street Journal stocks posted solid gains to end the week the Dow Jones industrials rose one hundred fifty two points Friday to twenty six thousand nine hundred fifty eight the Nasdaq listen trade discussions edging closer to finalizing portions of a phase one deal. Intel was the big gainer in the technology sector. It stock gained eight percent.
Morning Brief for Tuesday, October 15th
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