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Schumer touts 'explosive' new evidence
"Hello everyone this is the daily DC impeachment. Watch a podcast. That brings you the latest reporting boarding and analysis of this historic moment in American history. I'm Zac Wolf Senior writer here at CNN and publisher of CNN's Impeachment Watch newsletter. Please please subscribe to that newsletter at CNN dot com slash impeachment today. I'm filling in for regular host. David Challenge on the PODCAST. This is the last episode before a brief holiday hiatus so we went to preview the next steps in the impeachment battle. I've got to fantastic guests to help me do just that in a few minutes. We'll be talking with Sarah is a CNN. Political analyst and a staff writer at the dispatch. But I joined by my colleagues. CNN reporter and producer Marshall Cohen. Welcome back to the PODCAST Marshall. Thank you Zach since you were on the most recent episode of this podcast and between then and now wow There was a weekend and there was also a semi major development in the timeline of this whole Ukraine scandal. Candle and that development is that we saw an email from Mike Duffy and Owen beneficial D- tailing that. He was officially putting hold on the in. The military is secure insecurity aid that was set to go to Ukraine. And this is such a big deal because it occurred about ninety minutes after the phone call on July twenty fifth between President Trump and Ukrainian president President Vladimir Zielinski We've spent a lot of time on this program and certainly in the Impeachment Watch newsletter. And I know you've written entire stories about everything everything that happened on July twenty fifth reconstructing that day the fact that we see this new email is important to me for two reasons reasons number one. It shows there's a lot of stuff we still don't know about what happened that day and Democrats interesting trying to get this done. They're not waiting for court orders. They're not waiting for the entire fact pattern to emerge so. I think that's a really important point. And this shows us their stuff That we don't know but it also I think more importantly than that shows us that all of the evidence that we get about that day about this Ukrainian scandal all seems to reinforce the fact pattern what we know about it. That trump pressured Zielinski and that the aid was held up. So those are the two two things I see and they're sort of say opposite things here but what do you know you see this e mail what what runs through your head. And you've spent more time thinking about specific moments the next day than anybody shore. Yeah I mean I think that's a great point. Zack this is not exculpatory for the president I wouldn't necessarily say that it's a spoken spokane. Gun of what. His critics have accused him of doing per se. But it doesn't help You know zoom out for a second right. We got these documents after a transparency group filed a freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the Office of Management and Budget so the Democrats in Congress want these exact same emails in fact. They subpoenaed the White House and they subpoenaed O. M. B. The budget office for documents. It's about Ukraine and about the hold up of assistance. So let's just be totally clear. Democrats few months back while they were launching beginning. This investigation investigation asked for these documents. And the President gave the directive to the entire administration. Do not cooperate. Don't turn over anything thing. And the Democrats ultimately said that. They thought that that was tantamount to unconstitutional offense which became article two of the impeachment. So these are documents that Democrats think are important to the impeachment investigation. We are lucky to see them now because of of a foia lawsuit and because a judge ruled the right way and because the judge set the schedule for when it would be coming out quickly they could set it for whatever they want because come on February February or June. For whatever reason so there's a little bit of luck here so that's part one part to the actual content of the message and it dives deep deep into July twenty fifth two thousand nineteen as you mentioned this critical day. There was so much more happening that day than just the phone call with the president. There were so many anything's happening behind the scenes And it really tells you the story of who knows what what was going on and there are some people that do know Michael Duffy. This political political appointee at Mike Pompeo who was on that phone call and communicates regularly with President. John Bolton who was the president's events national security advisor later talked one on one with the president about the military freeze for Ukraine. So this tells us a tiny tiny little nugget of what happened but it also to me tells us that there is so much more we don't know it's true and it's so interesting because has Democrats are now trying essentially in the house. They were trying to speed the process up. And now the shoe's on the other foot they're trying essentially to slow it down and say we need more testimony testimony. We need to see you know what else we can learn and Chuck Schumer was talking about this. At a a an event he told reporters taking a listen to this. How important he thinks thinks this new set of emails? If there was ever an argument that we need Mr Duffy to come testify. This is that information. This email is explosive. Our top administration official one. That requested is saying. Stop up the aid. Ninety one minutes after trump called Celeski and said keep it hush hush what more do you need to request quest a witness. Okay so Democrats want to have these witnesses that they were unable to have during impeachment hearings because the White House essentially obstructed them. And and as you said that's one of the reasons they're now they have. Impeach trump is for obstructing congress. But I think what we've also learned that so much of this stuff is gettable. If you go to the courts it takes longer but you have the ability to go to the courts and say give us information and hordes will say yes I mean. Democrats made a political calculation that they needed to strike when the iron was hot. Ukraine scandal emerged in in September. Pelosi launched the inquiry I think September twenty fourth. The first witnesses were coming in first week of October the Public hearings were November. And the vote was in December right so boom boom boom Another strategy would be to take it. Slow go to the court and you can ask the courts to rule quickly expeditiously. They don't have to agree to that. But you can seek emergency relief from courts and have them try. To enforce these subpoenas it would probably be appealed all the way to the top as is happening right now. With the Don mcgann Dan case former White House counsel. But you could at least have that talking point in your back pocket saying we are using literally every tool in the toolbox. They are not doing that right now. I'm going back to what Schumer said you know. Is this explosive. Maybe I mean it's I don't think this is a a smoking gun of criminality by the President Right. which is something that would help? The Democrats make their case. What this is is further evidence of what was happening on the day? The of that call because you remember that the president never actually during that call connected the military assistance to the investigations of Biden. He never explicitly told Zielinski. Made the connection and how it happened right after Lewinsky brought up the Javelin missiles the antitank anti tank weapons the defense health and the moment after he said that trump said I want to favor though but he never explicitly made the connection. So then you ask yourself well. Once that call was over did they. was there a conversation in the White House. Among some people all right now we need to go to Owen be now we need to go to the budget folks and have them put this Friesen because you know and Democrats have been saying the because is because we want to get those investigations nations from Ukraine I think any reasonable person would say that if you're trying to build a case here or find out the truth Michael Duffy the video. MB official would be important person to hear from but that's clearly not the prerogative of Republicans in the Senate they would. I need four. Republican senators to break ranks and vote with Democrats in order to call someone like him. Testify and Zach. I'll be honest we've been listening to what some of these moderates have been saying. We've been listening to what some of the people that are up for reelection. This year have been saying and so far. There is no visible appetite among any Republican senators to call any additional witnesses including Mr Duffy so just just to quickly wrap up. With the fact pattern is call occurs aid is held. And then we know from the testimony of Laura Cooper that the Ukrainian embassy see the State Department people were asking about that on the same day so it's it's Relating knew something was explaining. I you know I just can't get over the idea that we will be finding out facts about this case after the trial for impeachment if I may you know that's a really interesting point because it's it's clear you know. Democrats want to convict him. Republicans WanNa quit him like everyone's in their camps right but that wild card here is once everything is said hadn't done if all the Republicans hold the line and vote to keep trumpet office. It's possible it's plausible. That there may be a day one day where some of these emails more damning e mails come out or someone like a John Bolton decides to reveal something in his book where they might find themselves Looking not so good but of course. It's a tradeoff right you you can. You can take a little bit of a PR mess in exchange danger for continued political power. I mean they've gotten a lot of big things done with trump in office so it's a trade. Yep Okay Marshall. Let's hold it right there. Sara is is set to join the the conversation but I this quick break fifty unread. Emails stressful commute. Let's face it. We all get overwhelmed. WELLM sometimes do you ever have a great idea or big goal and let it fall by the wayside. You're not alone. 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And you'll get one hundred dollars off your first month when when you use Promo code CNN. That's talks base dot Com Promo Code. CNN welcome back to the daily the DC impeachment watch. I'm ZAC reporter. Marshall Cohen is still with me. And we're pleased to welcome. Sarah is who is both a staff writer at the dispatch an CNN in an political analysts. Sarah thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me. You know a thing or two about the courts and how this works What do you make of this sort of idea that I think is? It's clear we will know more about what happened on that day long after this impeachment saga is done simply simply because if if it ever ends yeah it could. It could be limbo forever and if the courts actually reach these questions One of the the things we've seen for instance on the Supreme Court taking the three tax related cases for the President Nixon and Clinton both had cases is like this and I wanna use that term very loosely where they claimed some type of broad immunity and in both cases the court said no to a very broad immunity. That is a similar to what we're talking about here with broad executive privilege that no one from the executive branch can go and testify At the same time on those financial cases but also on these there are are going to be some limits that the court set whether they want to set them now. The court is famous of course for trying to decide things as narrowly as possible people and they certainly did in Nixon and Clinton it's really just the facts before them but I think it's Frustrating in politically I think marshalls. I mean a thousand percent right on. Why Pelosi did it? The way she did I think she is one of the best political strategists of the last generation by far but legally legally. It's frustrating that they didn't wait to let some of that. Go through the courts because to your point we're GonNa be finding out facts now trickling out for months. Maybe after the trial is over Maybe if he wins reelection there's a second term. Could they impeach him again. Based on new information because the core process took so long so I think think Democrats politically did the smart thing in the short term. It has yet to be seen whether a long-term based on those court cases they'll regret not spending a little more time time to get that sorted out well and the asterisk that we should always put next to that Don mcgann case that you mentioned former White House counsel They actually are trying trying to get him to testify as part of the Muller report proceedings. So it actually predates Ukraine and it could play Ukraine. And that's only testimony for one a person. Can I give you let me give you another asterisk. Zach that whole case which is taking months. Many months the entire question of that case the question that the courts are grappling with is does he need to show up or not then has nothing to do with once he shows up. Does he have to talk wrecked. That's decision so far. The blanket immunity issue not the individual question and And of course. Now there's the moutainous question you talked about emergency relief from the courts but of course if the trial in the Senate is already over. It's very hard to tell the court. This is an emergency. I don't they have to maybe argue in filing and say we're keeping the possibility open for future articles which would be. I mean that would make some waves right. This is the second impeachment will turn all of our hair dre and this is already moving to second impeachment. That's the first one feels like a foregone conclusion or for if you're donald trump the first one feels like it doesn't even exist. He's almost turned into a sort of impeachment. Truth or take a listen to how he referred to this process in Florida Boorda at a rally no votes in the Senate now is about that deal where they had nothing. There's no crime. Aw there's no nothing at ups you had no crime either. They're people said there was no crime. Fact there's no impeachment this their own lawyer said there's no impeachment. What are we doing a year? Okay what are we doing here so I heard that a little differently than you did. I think I heard him when he says there's no impeachment referring to the fact fact of whether he has technically been impeached because the house has not given the articles to the Senate that he is saying he has not been impeached yet. And that's what he means by their own lawyer earlier said there's no impeachment meaning you have to wait for Pelosi to give the articles over to the Senate. This of course is a fun. Little constitutional footnote that we can all spend a second on No one is an expert on when a president is impeached. Is it when the House voted for it or is it when those articles are transmitted to the Senate and this is where I love twitter because all of a sudden we have constitutional experts like on every twitter account similar to like missing plane experts and hurricane experts So everyone is today a constitutional expert on impeachment. But the truth is impeachments a political process and And here we are. We're in this weird limbo is the president impeach- I know every headline said that. But if you WANNA be really technical about it. The House has voted to approve articles of impeachment dement. But they haven't been transmitted to the Senate if you like. He's impeached and not yet tried. That is completely valid opinion. But we we get into Splitting hairs about it. I think he's impeached. I mean if they pass a bill. That Senate doesn't need to wait for the articles to be transmitted if he's been impeached. The Senate can hold the trial now. In which case as what Nancy Pelosi is doing is a meaningless nothingburger. But if you think it's meaningful it means he has not been employed all predate C. Span when the House and the Senate we're operating separately and somebody would actually have to go from the House and the Senate and told them what happened now that we have that tram it's really ruined everything right and one more thing on that trump quote. There's no you know he said I think two or two or three times. There's no crime. How do you impeach? When there's no crime no one in no legal scholar and the constitution in no way says that there must be a crime? a federal crime committed to impeach the president. Jonathan Turley Well no because of course at the time that the constitutions written there were common law crimes but there were no statutory crimes. Eighteen is all come later. That's just not what that's not. What what it is? Though right I mean it helps there should be. I think the American people clearly understood that Bill Clinton perjured himself under oath. That's pretty simple. He allied that's a crime now he gets to impeach. But we're not. I encourage you to go. Google Arlen Specter from that era who acquitted based on Scottish law. That was my old Senate. I'm from Pennsylvania there you go My my dad taught me all about that. Not Proven not proven given therefore guilt down the middle ground on that. Yeah okay so we were. Actively impeachment detracts We were actually supposed to talk about polling Ling and and and politics in this block but Forgot to do that because we got sucked into the end of the courts. Sarah what are you seeing in the polls that is is of interest to you right now. and and kind of lay out. How all this is working in in twenty twenty land so full caveats right? It's early polling as polling. I think the best thing. That's so pay only half attention to all the things I say. No that's not true. But you'll see the allot of excitement and flare over single polls pulling averages I think are very relevant. In in these cases the polling average which everyone knows is that it has stagnated You had an uptick in late September. Early October when this thing really hit I think the public consciousness and since then it has stagnated maybe tick down a little. The poll that I found most interesting was one that was not a you know you answer your phone. Do you support impeachment poll but it was a Democracy Fund poll that used a totally different type of polling. And we don't need to get into that now but what it found was that four Republicans the number number one issue in that's against immigration guns border wall. You name it. The number one issue was impeachment by a lot on the democratic side. The number one issue was family. Separation immigration followed very closely by impeachment followed very closely by I Gun Control and there were many many issues clumped up there of most important and I think what that tells us as for Democrats really the most important thing is winning in two thousand twenty And for Republicans the most important thing is keeping their guy in office and so I think when you do look at these impeachment polls whether it's stagnating ticking. One way or the the other that is sort of the umbrella to think about is this is turned into a purely political fight. It was nearly purely political during Clinton But it was not even close to this political I think during Nixon and so what happens when you move this close to an election not surprisingly Every four years as we get far more partisan Polling results no different right. Now you're moving into twenty twenty and so everyone's going corners. Let me just add a a caveat to your your poll. I'm not completely familiar with that. One specifically but Jennifer agenda are Director of polling Would love to tell us that we should only pay attention to certain pulse. So you know all these polls have to be taken with with with different grains of salt depending on if they're in a landline posted their cell phone poles at their online pulse etc.. I I think clearly impeachment is a motivating factor for a lot of Republicans and that also is what trump wants us to believe So final final point if he is reelected will it be because of or in spite of his impeachment. I think we are a long way off from November and what we saw on twenty sixteen at least my own take on what happened when the election was a referendum on Donald trump which we saw right after the access Hollywood tape. I think he would have lost the election when the referendum became about Hillary Clinton in the last four days of that election after the gym. Komi press conference People walked into the booth and asked whether they wanted Hillary Clinton to be president and they answered no So I don't think that impeachment will be the defining moment comment ten months from now eleven months from now But it certainly has set the ball rolling. That's really that's really interesting. I hadn't thought of the two thousand sixteen election exactly like that and I think that's really smart. Marshall you got five words Well I mean looking ahead to next year Look everybody thought that that government shutdown last sure was gonNA play huge on the midterms and like a billion things happened in between and everyone forgot about it. impeachments a little bit bigger than that Yeah I'll concede at that point but you know what we know ironclad about. The trump era is that there is an explosion of news and developments in scandal and controversy. The every day It it sounds funny to say it now but impeachment might seem like a long long time ago by the time. Everybody goes to vote next November. The Ferris Ferris bueller theory life moves pretty fast in the trump fair and just to think of it was only ensuite hemmer. None of us were thinking about Ukraine or any of this. Okay Marshall Sarah Thank you for joining me on the daily. DC impeachment Washington. Thanks to our listeners. 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Sondland Says Trump Conditioned White House Meeting on Announcement of Investigations
"Hey this is Khalil listening on my way to pick up the brand new POKEMON Game Sword and shield on my way to become a Polka mom. Master ed I listened to the politics podcast because you know what I gotTa know something. Sometimes this podcast recorded at insert time here here to thirty eight. PM On Wednesday the twentieth of November all caps things. A thousand percent would have changed by the time when you hear this but you know what won't change my quest to be the best. I enjoy the show I love you. Oh my God catch them all. I don't actually understand the vernacular of POK Mon but I do know that. I am investing a small fortune in pokemon cards that I give to my child one a day. It's something of a quid. Pro Quo say hey there it's the NPR politics. PODCAST TAMRA Keith. I covered the White House rask though I also cover the White House over the Justice Department under water. Good morning everyone. Today President Trump's ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sunland testified in the impeachment inquiry. Appreciate the opportunity to speak again to the members of this committee and his opening statement was a doozy. I know that members of this committee frequently frequently frame. These complicated issues in the form of a simple question was there a quid pro quo as I testified previously with with regard to the requested White House call and the White House meeting. The answer is yes. This is probably the biggest moment That we have seen so far in in the public segment of this impeachment inquiry The trump appointed ambassador to the European Union. Say on live television that yes there was a quid pro quo that the trump administration was conditioning. A visit to the White House for Ukraine's new President Vladimir Zielinski to Ukraine conducting two investigations That the president was demanding an investigation into the Ukrainian gas company. BARISTA MA which Joe Biden's son hunter sat on the board of As well as into the president's allegations that it was actually Ukraine that colluded with the Democrats in the two thousand sixteen election and that's not all he had to say in his opening. Statement Mr Giuliani conveyed. The Secretary Perry Ambassador Volker and others that president trump wanted a public statement from presidents Alinsky committing to investigations of Barista and the two thousand sixteen. Election Mr Giuliani expressed those requests us directly to the Ukrainians. and Mr Giuliani also expressed those requests directly to us we all understood that these prerequisites it's for the White House call and the right White House meeting reflected president trump's desires and requirements. Let's key in on something here. Ryan Rudy Giuliani. Seems to be a Lynch Pin. Here he is saying that Rudy. Giuliani was conveying to them. What the president wanted? That's right and and this is the first time that we've kind of heard directly from someone with with with firsthand knowledge impeachment inquiry. who was dealing with with Giuliani directly in dealing with the president directly as well and Giuliani's Liane his role is really highlighted in this testimony in that Sunland and the other two officials to who who he says we're kind of tapped to lead Ukraine policy? which would be energy secretary Rick Perry and new special envoy to Ukraine? Kurt Volker that they were under the understanding that the president directed them to interact with Rudy. Giuliani in that when Juliet Giuliani was expressing what he wanted Giuliani was expressing. The desires of the president in that is important and Sunland was pressed on this during the questioning. You testified that Mr Mr Giuliani was expressing the desires of the president correct. That's our understanding again. How did you know that who told you? Well when the President says talked to my personal attorney and then Mr Giuliani as his personal attorney make certain requests or demands. We assume it's coming from the president I don't I don't I don't I'm not testifying that I heard the president tells Mr Giuliani to tell us so. If that's your question this is key. Because what he's saying is that Giuliani was saying that if the Ukrainians wanted a meeting at the White House that they would have to announce that these investigations were happening so in a this is a way. You're that salmon is connecting president trump To wanting these investigations into putting conditions on them which would be a a quid pro quo and then to take the next step you then have sunland saying and then the aid was held up. Yes so he said He. He knew for a fact that there were conditions on getting the meeting at the White House for Zelinski but when it came to the aid he said that he came to understand or he presumed based on everything that he knew and based on the work that he was doing that it was a condition for that to be released that they would have to be an announcement of investigations. You had to get those two investigations if that official act was gonNA take place correct do announce the investigations. He didn't actually have to do them. As I understood it. Okay presents Linski had to announce the two investigations investigations. The president wanted make public announcement correct correct and those were great value to the president. He was quite insistent upon them and his attorney was insistent upon them. I don't WanNA characterize whether their value not valued again through Mr Giuliani. We were led to believe that that's what he wanted and another thing that he did was he said. I wasn't some rogue agent. I wasn't in some alternate channel. They were all in on it. Yeah there there was no back channel we we were the channel and that everyone was aware of it. He was trying to make the point that he was sending these emails that he it was keeping everyone in the loop. I think that's what he said right like twelve times about that. He was letting everyone know what was going on. That people people knew what was happening. Everyone was in the loop so this morning. Democrats felt like they were having a pretty good day. But Gordon Sunland and was there for the Democrats wasn't there for the Republicans either but as the Republicans started asking their questions and even as the democratic craft lawyer was asking Sunland questions there were some wholes the developed you know there there there was a sense that maybe he was jumping to conclusions and didn't didn't have all the receipts. This was the democratic lawyer. Daniel Goldman asking sunland about how he knew that this is what the president wanted. That was. That's the problem Mr Goldman. No one told me directly that the aid was tied to anything I was presuming. It was he came to the conclusion based on What he had seen that the fact that the White House wanted these investigations launched that the only way for the aid to be released? I was for Ukraine to launch those investigations but importantly the president never explicitly said that and then and then under questioning from the Republican lawyer. Steve Caster Sunlen then came to seem like pretty unreliable witness to even his own doings. I'd I would say that that. The Republicans tried to highlight the fact that in some instances silent was perhaps a presuming stuff that he didn't know trying to fill in the blanks on his own and they certainly tried tried to pull it this possible threat that perhaps his testimony wasn't quite as reliable as Democrats would like for it to seem to be. You don't have records. You don't have your notes because you didn't take notes. You don't have a lot of recollections. I mean this is like the Trifecta of unreliability and so with them kind of oppressing back on on his His reliability here it does seem like San Lens assumption or presumption was shared by other people. Who in the administration right like Vin men and Taylor and others have the same concerns over reaching the same conclusions about the way this aid eight was being held up and the request for these investigations? It's it's funny that you mentioned vitamin B. Because we saw a similar attempt by Republicans yesterday to try to undermine vitamin As a witness raising questions about potential dual loyalties about a number of other aspects of his testimony. Motivations potential political motivations did he had contact with whistleblower blower so on and so forth so this is a line of questioning that we have seen from Republicans before and will likely see in the testimony to come as well. Yeah I mean the idea of whether there was a quid pro quo or not has been pretty fundamental to the Republican defense of the president. The president trump has repeated. So many times no quid pro quo quid. Pro Quo became like the no collusion of twenty. Nine thousand. Nine hundred will then sunland comes out and says yes quid. Pro Pro quo to a large extent. Republicans have tried to kind of ignore the fact that silence set outright that there was a quid pro quo for the White House meeting to investigations the Ukrainians at the White House meeting would. Instead they're focusing on is there was no quid pro quo for the military aid. That's what they're really trying to dig down on attackers his credibility on an raised the point that nobody has any evidence that the aid was actually tied to these investigations. But in the White House hasn't been super clear about why that money was held adop- ever that's the other the other side of this. Is that the White House. Hasn't been super clear about why the money was held up and why it was released when it was released every every every witness who has come up and testified and said they never got a straight answer from anybody as to why the aid was being held up or why it was released right we are going to take a quick break and when we get back how president trump has responded and also what comes next support for this podcast and the following message come from the Walton Family Foundation where opportunity takes root more information is available at Walton Family Foundation Dot Org this week on the story or podcast from NPR. We take take you back to two thousand fifteen when Osmo Joma a Somali. American woman was assaulted for speaking Swahili at a restaurant tune into here how asthma found support from unlikely source the sister of the woman who attacked her and were back and president trump as he often does Asia went out to the South Lawn of the White House. You did to He had somewhere to go. You had to wait for him to wait for him to to leave to head out as we do food but yes so he was out there talking and this time this was just him delivering Statement was intake question. Did Not Take questions. It was not a back back and forth. He had something that he wanted to stay. There are pictures And you can look at them online. were photographers did get. Because he had notes and written in in big letters and sharpy This message that he wanted to convey. Here's my response that he just K- ready. We have two cameras Raleigh. I want nothing. That's what I want from Ukraine. That's what I want. Nothing I mean when he did have it written in all caps in Chirpy and it seems as though he is reading it in all caps but yeah so that that's what he said so and this is what he's saying. I think a lot of his. If you're on twitter the the campaign others this is what they're highlighting this is what he's highlighting on his twitter. Feed this idea. That the what he told Sunland explicitly was that. He doesn't want anything he didn't want anything he he just wanted Zielinski to do what he campaigned on which was to be transparent. Oh and then he also said he hardly knew the guy. Gordon saw inland. They didn't talk very often but he is a nice guy. Is that right yeah. He said he doesn't really know He wasn't he's any wanted to point out of that. Silence supported other other candidates before he supported trump So now he's making that clear he didn't really know him and he also supported other candidates so trump wasn't his first choice as a candidate so trying to put some distance there at the same point in time we heard from sunland today under oath that he probably spoke to the to the president around twenty times meaning that he was he had direct access to the president he could call him up and actually get the president on the phone which is in part why he said he can't remember member specific conversations because he had a lot of conversations with the president some about Ukraine some about a sap rocky the rapper. Some about any number of things because he had a large portfolio. It's also something that other diplomats have testified in this inquiry have said they did not have the ability to do And that's part of what was so nice about having sullen involved is that but he did have that direct access to the president himself so we are in the fourth day a public testimony. We know that there is another day scheduled tomorrow. There's another they're hearing scheduled for tomorrow with the potential for yet more blockbuster testimony yes. We are going to hear from Fiona Hill who was a senior National Security Council. Staffer ultimately left This past summer As well as David Holmes who was in the US embassy in Kiev and he's the one who testified about that call. That's Omlund had on July twenty twenty six with the President where he says the President Mentioned the investigations to Gordon's online. So those could be two very interesting people to hear from but at the same point in time a lot of this investigation really is now turning on the testimony of Gordon Sunland. He really has emerged as the key. Witness in this whole thing that was clear building-up today today and then with the opening statement we saw. Why so AIYSHA? Where do you think this leaves things? Well I think that even based on on the NPR PBS. Newshour mayor's poll. That came out yesterday. I do think that people are pretty locked in. That's what the polls show that. Two thirds of Americans are are just locked in on their position that nothing can come out to change it in the beginning of this hearing. It did seem like this and I'm not saying it's not a big deal. What what Simon is saying seems like it could have really big repercussions but it does seem like now? Republicans and the president are are Kinda falling back into their defenses. The president didn't actually say I want this aid. Held up in exchange changed for investigations. It seems pretty likely that Democrats are going to move ahead with impeachment but not not clear what will happen in the Senate all right. We are going to leave of it there but hey we will be back really soon because in case. That wasn't enough news for you today. There's something else happening tonight. The fifth democratic debate is in Atlanta. We'll have another pod coming your way late tonight to break it all down. I'm Tamra Thi- cover the White House I might I also over the White House. Lucas like over the Justice Department. And thank you for listening to the N._p._R. Politics podcast.
Impeachment hearing ties Trump more directly to Ukraine pressure campaign
"Hello we're Ecuador as a global energy leader we're working hard to reduce methane emissions and our carbon footprint Good Morning I'm James Holman from the Washington Post and this is the daily to Oh to for Thursday November fourteenth in today's news new concerns this morning about president. Trump's disregard for operational security Senate Republicans are toying with dragging out an impeachment trial to keep keep Democratic presidential candidates out of Iowa and the trump show continues to disrupt Washington. But first the big idea the first day of public impeachment hearings unearthed new evidence potentially implicating trump more directly in in the scheme to center American policy toward Ukraine on political investigations. Bill Taylor the Acting Ambassador to Ukraine testified Wednesday Eh previously undisclosed July twenty sixth phone call between trump and Gordon Sunderland the US ambassador to the European Union in which the president asked asked about the investigations that he had sought into political rivals namely Joe Biden. The call overheard by one of Taylor's AIDS came just a day after trump asked for a favor during his conversation. With Ukraine's new leader. Vladimir Zielinski Taylor explained it this way up on Capitol Oh hill. The member of my staff could hear president trump on the phone asking ambassador. Sunland about the investigations. As a solid toll. President trump the Ukrainians Iranian were ready to move forward following the call with President trump. The member of my staff asked ambassadors on what president trump thought about Ukraine. That's the song and responded that President Trump cares more about the investigations of Biden which Giuliani was pressing for. Investigators have scheduled a closed door deposition a position of that staffer whose name David homes for this Friday. That's the same day that ousted ambassador. Marie Ivanovich will also testify in an open session. SANDELIN's attorney says. His client will address Taylor's account when he testifies before Congress next Wednesday declined to comment further at the White House. Trump said he has no recollection whatsoever of the call and added that he hardly knows. sunlen mega donor. Who got the plum ambassadorship after contributing? A million dollars is to trump's inauguration tillers testimony about the call was one of the few new revelations during a six hour impeachment hearing that ended with Democrats and Republicans Wilkins more firmly entrenched behind their established battlelines. But it brought to life many things. We've only read about from transcripts of depositions. Well the testimony of Taylor. Hiller and Deputy Assistant Secretary of State George Kent presented damning public account of a president using his office to advance his personal and political interests Republican Lookin' lawmakers remained steadfast defending trump as he faces his greatest political threat yet several pushed to hear from the anonymous whistleblower whose report documenting concerns about trump's alleged wrongdoing toward Ukraine ultimately led to this impeachment probe Democrats voted down the GOP attempt to question the whistleblower whose allegations have subsequently been corroborated by witnesses. Like Taylor and Kent Taylor. A decorated Vietnam War veteran finished number five in his class at West Point received the bulk of democratic questioning. Speaking a slow and serious manner many of you were study sounded like Walter Cronkite as he described his concern that trump and his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani. He had placed their political concerns ahead of the United States National Security Interests Republican lawmakers countered. That trump shouldn't be impeached because he eventually released tis freeze on the military assistance and met face to face with Zielinski without Ukraine announcing the investigations he had requested into the Biden's and the two thousand sixteen election but but the it was only released on September eleventh after Congress was informed about the whistle blowers report and started making hey of it. Republicans also described. The witnesses is unelected bureaucrats Kratz with no direct information about trump's intentions. They emphasized that neither Kantor Taylor met or spoken with trump Democrats pushed back against that argument pointing. Running out of the White House is blocked testimony from key. Witnesses who have first hand information including Mick Mulvaney and John Bolton and is refusing to turn over key evidence specifically specifically documents. That would help. Illuminate the case overall. Democrats said the hearing bolstered their case. That trump abused his power. Validating their strategy did you ever lying on credible and experienced diplomats to shine a spotlight on alleged wrongdoing in the Oval Office. Full Taylor and can't repeatedly contradicted key. Gop Defenses as Republicans sought ways to stand up for trump in one exchange with. Jim Hines a Democrat from Connecticut. Kent testified that trump's request that Ukraine investigate the Biden's was not a coordinated aided anticorruption strategy that fell in line with a years long. US effort to reduce corruption in that country. At another point. Eric Swallow Congressman from California. Asked Kent whether whether it was true as Mulvaney has said Big Mulvaney. The White House Chief of staff that quid pro quo happened in foreign policy all the time. Ken said that's not true. Both both of the witnesses also said they're not never trumpers can also contradicted the GOP suggestion that Ukraine may have interfered in the US election in two thousand sixteen something. Republicans have been floating for why trump pushed for such investigations. Republicans meanwhile defended the president with a strategy. That at times seem scattershot in disorganized. The party's most dogged defender. Jim Jordan from Ohio didn't get a chance to speak until nearly four hours into the hearing leaving it to house. Intelligence Committee ranking Republican Devon avenues from California to lead the defense of trump republican counsel. The lawyer for the Committee Stephen Caster also got off to a slow start as he tried to get the witnesses. This is to testify. That Ukraine has a corruption. Problem can Taylor agreed to that. But didn't link trump's specific efforts targeting the Biden's to any kind of strategy of a combating corruption more broadly. GOP commentators on twitter criticized caster the GOP lawyer saying it was unclear whether he was going what he was trying to accomplish with his his questions. At one point in maybe the funniest moment of the afternoon castor sought to play down conversations with Ukraine. That took place outside the normal state eight department channels of communication saying they could have been more abnormal than they were. Taylor noted that someone's portfolios e you ambassador does not actually include Ukraine. It's not part of his job. He put it this way. It's a little unusual for the US ambassador to the EU to play a role in Ukraine policy. Okay and might irregular. But it's certainly not outlandish tiller paused for a while. When Casper said that and then he replied that he agrees? It's not not as outlandish as it could be. It can always be more outlandish when you think about it. It's not as outlandish as it could be a pretty remarkable defense strategy satiety. And that's the big idea. Here are three other headlines that should be on your radar number one current and former. US security security officials are flabbergasted that sunland and trump had that phone call that we learned about yesterday at a Kiev restaurant over an unsecured line. They're telling us that. An embassador talking to the president by cell phone from a restaurant in the capital of Ukraine wasn't just highly unusual but also stunning breach of security exposing the conversation into certain surveillance by foreign intelligence services including Russia's Larry Phifer a former senior director of the White House Situation Room in a former chief of staff to the CIA director said that in a country that is wired with Russian intelligence. You can take it to the bank that the Russians were listening in on that phone call. That means the Kremlin which is waging an ongoing ongoing war against Ukraine in the east and occupying Crimea which belongs to Ukraine almost certainly knew that the US was withholding security assistance from Ukraine rain. which would have given them added leverage especially in negotiations over the fate of the east Russia already has shown its ability to monitor? US diplomats calls in Kiev. And the Kremlin has no hesitation leaking them when it suits its interests in early twenty fourteen for example an intercepted phone call between then assistant secretary of State for European in an Eurasian Affairs Victoria newland and then. US Ambassador to Ukraine Joffrey. Pyatt appeared on Youtube on the call. Nulan was heard referring dismissively and with profanity entity to slow moving European Union efforts to address a looming political and economic crisis in Ukraine. She was also heard assessing the political skills of various opposition figures in Ukraine with unusual candor. Being dismissive of some the league call was embarrassing to Washington and it was clearly part of an effort by Moscow to drive a wedge between the US and the EU you the State Department acknowledged. The call was authentic and newland profusely apologized to you. Officials calling president from a cell. Phone violates strict the protocols that are set up to protect senior administration officials communications a senior. US intelligence officials says it's indicative of a lack of concern for operational security that trump trump has exhibited throughout his presidency. You might remember back in twenty seventeen at his mar-a-lago club in Palm Beach. An open terrace in full view of other diners trump and Japanese. These Prime Minister Shinzo Abe had a sensitive discussion about how to respond to a ballistic missile test. By North Korea. Also trump is known for his UNORTHODOX CELL PHONE USE A. He's been known to give out his personal cell phone number. Two other world leaders despite warnings from AIDS that his cell phone calls aren't secure and it has been widely reported that Russia and China China have targeted his personal cell phone to intercept his communications number two some Republican senators in their advisors or privately discussing cussing whether to pressure GOP leaders to stage a lengthy impeachment trial beginning in January. In order to scramble the Democratic presidential race potentially keeping six contenders in Washington until the eve of the Iowa Caucus or maybe longer those conversations about the timing in the framework for a trial remained fluid and closely held old according to more than a dozen participants in the discussions who talked to us. But the deliberations come as Senate majority leader. Mitch McConnell faces pressure from conservative activists to swap back at Democrats Democrats as impeachment hearings begin in the House. The discussions raise a potential hazard for those six Democratic senators. Who are trying to get to the White House? They have all previously planned on a final sprint out of Washington before the February. Third Iowa caucuses February Eleventh New Hampshire primary. But now they're already starting to move their schedules around trying to Pulled fundraisers up from January into December and teeing up other key appearances assuming that they'll be forced to stay in Washington for much of the month of January John Cornyn Senator Republican from Texas McConnell. I former whip Senate trial would probably last five or six weeks. He joked that this could be helpful for P. Buddha the judge and Joe Biden but hurt Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders now. There's an emerging divide among Republicans to over timing some want a lengthy trial they wanNA defend trump. They want to create problems for Democrats but others want a swift dismissal. A final vote a group of Senate Republicans who are up for reelection. Next year led by Susan. Kim Collins in Maine has been telling McConnell and other colleagues that they don't want the process to be rushed because they worry that any move too quickly dispense with a trial risks giving their democratic opponents an opening to say they didn't take their duties seriously number three day. One of the impeachment hearings this was a classic Washington moment but like virtually everything else in Washington over the past three years even without the president in the room it was another episode of the trump show it reflected the transformation of the US government into a long running drama about one out size personality. Even the hearing spotlight stayed fixed on trump. His phone calls this policy shifts his quest to find usable dirt about Biden. The possible removal of the president seemed to lack the potency and the gravity of previous impeachments committee members largely steered clear of the kind of dark oratory. That launched impeachment debates in nineteen seventy three in one thousand nine hundred eight when the possible removal of Richard Nixon. And then Bill Clinton occasioned Asian speeches about the country's perilous politics damaged psyche trump's remarkable ability to skate through crises that wreck other people's lives. The bankruptcies of his businesses abandoned projects. Divorces accusations of sexual misconduct seemed again to be at work yet again. The president's defenders politics in in the media projected a determined nothing to see here vibe. Breitbart news the dependably pro-trump site dubbed the proceedings boring. That's the same term at the White House press secretary deployed would the stylistic contrast between what was on Fox News in Primetime in what the witnesses were actually saying spoke volumes about the changes that trump is brought the Washington. This president promised to disrupt American government and here testifying were Wuli. Men with decades of diplomatic experience talking about that policy and principle in long elegant sentences explaining how Ukraine fits in with nearly two hundred fifty years of American cooperation with four analysis to promote democracy crecy the contrast could be characterized as serious policy discussion versus Lurid tabloid talk or it could also be characterized as deep state defensiveness versus plain-speaking plain-speaking which lends voters choose may guide their decision about whom to vote for next year is president. Public opinion. Hasn't settled into any kind of consensus us about whether trump's call with Zilenski was a big deal or not a CBS. News poll released the day before yesterday asked Americans. Whether trump's dealings with Ukraine were typical typical of how presidents work with foreign countries forty percent said they were. It's the kind of thing most presidents probably do. They said the other sixty percent said trump acted in a way that quote few or no other presidents. Have there was another interesting data point yesterday on Google searches for the term impeachment Schmidt topped the trending charts for almost the entire day but the volume of people who were actually searching for. The word. Impeachment didn't come close to the leading search term from Tuesday today the day before far more Americans looked for information regarding sonic the Hedgehog. The video game character. WHO's getting his own adventure movie next year? You're then wanted to learn about impeachment. And that's the daily to Oh to for Thursday November fourteenth. Thanks for listening and thank you you for carrying more about the future of our republic then sonic the hedgehog. I'm James Home and I'll talk to you tomorrow the.
NASA to build telescope to find killer asteroids: Finding hope for an uncertain future
"This is the daily. Article podcast published by the Denison Forum or culture changing Christians to receive the daily article directly to your are emailing box each weekday morning visit the daily Article Dot Com now. Here's Today's news discerned differently while many are focusing on the whistle blower complaint against President trump that was made public yesterday. NASA is responding to an issue that is celestial but could become terrestrial the space agency is moving forward with plans to launch a telescope the could detect asteroids on a collision course with Earth. Why is such a telescope essential essential the day before president trump's now famous conversation with Ukrainian President Vladimir Zielinski an asteroid named twenty nineteen okay past our planet however internal emails from NASA released this week show that the space agency was unaware of the asteroids presence until the last moment it passed us. The football-field-sized rock was described as a city killer it past our planet at a distance of just forty eight thousand miles traveling at fifty five five thousand miles an hour. If it had struck us one professor says it would have hit with over thirty times the energy of the atomic blast at Hiroshima NASA administrator administrator. Jim Breitenstein recently testified that an asteroid strike is perhaps Earth's biggest threat there are approximately eighteen thousand known near Earth objects objects and the number is constantly growing. We don't need to look to the heavens to find evidence for the frailty of life on earth. The New York Times reports the man trained by Hezbollah allegedly scouted times square as a target prosecutors say the individuals spent years studying airports reports tunnels and bridges looking for ways to do the most harm according to Forbes people may soon be able to use three D printers to construct weapons of mass destruction direction with the proper blueprints. WMD could be built by rogue states terrorists and others who have not had access to wield such powerful weapons before you're in other news. The World Health Organization recently published a report stating that a global pandemic could kill up to eighty million people. The world is not not prepared the report warned greater population density and the ability to travel anywhere in the world within thirty six hours. Make it easier for disease to spread rapidly through a country and then go global to prepare for such an uncertain future. You and I need three conversions. This one is in the past tense. The Experience Christians called salvation. If we asked Jesus Christ to forgive our sins and be the Lord of our lives he he makes us a new creation and gives us eternal life as second Corinthians five seventeen tells us if we have made Christ our savior. We never need need to make the decision again when we placed our faith in Him we became the children of God held forever Jesus hand as John. Ten Twenty eight shows house then whenever eternity comes for us. We are ready. A second conversion is in the present tense the daily conversion that results from daily submission admission to Jesus Dave right off of the Society of Saint John. The evangelist notes the coal to follow Christ is a call to a lifelong process of conversion version it requires us to let go of our former identities build our gifts our achievements and our social standing in order to embrace a new who identify in Christ it invites us to become changed people people whose lives are characterized by love joy peace patience kindness and humility Elodie. This conversion is not required for our salvation of course but it is essential to experience the results of salvation in our daily lives. Oswald Chambers states that my right to myself is the thing God intends you to give up. If ever you are going to be made a disciple of Jesus Christ rabbinic disciples and Jesus Day went with a rabbi went lived where he lived and did what he said. Jesus makes the same demand of us in Luke nine twenty three if anyone would come after me let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me to take up your cross is to submit your life fully to to follow. Jesus is to obey him unconditionally. Whatever it takes whatever he asks whatever the cost this is the invitation and demand of our Lord and then whenever return it he comes for us. We are ready. A third conversion we need in order to prepare for eternity is in the future tense dance welcoming and praying for the return of our Lord like many of us. It's hard for me to wish for heaven when things are going well on earth when our family family is blessed and our ministry is thriving. I'm tempted to value this world over the next by contrast early. Christians lived every day not just in the imminent expectation of Jesus return but with a deep desire for their Lord to return revelation ends with Jesus testimony. Surely I am coming soon. Oh and John's reply Ahmen come Lord Jesus. The First Christians knew that heaven would be so much better than the best of earth because they were committed the first and second conversions certain of their salvation and living every day for their saviour his future tense return gave them present tense hope and joy. Have you experienced the first conversion the salvation of your soul. If not I encourage you to read my article titled Old y Jesus Pray The salvation prayer at its end and Tele Christian what you have done so he or she can help you grow in faith. Are you experiencing during the second conversion the present tense submission of Your Life Right now is the best moment to say to Jesus whatever it takes whatever you ask ask whatever the cost are you experiencing the third conversion praying for in seeking for the return of our Lord. If not why not to subscribe to the daily article via email read any daily article. You may have missed this week or use any any of our resources. Please visit Denison Forum Dot Org. 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Impeachment Kicks into Overdrive
"You're invited to travel the world and discover what it means to live. The intercontinental life with more than two hundred properties worldwide intercontinental hotels and resorts welcomes you to who iconic properties in global destinations including New York London and Shanghai discover more about the cities and the tails inspire with stories of the intercontinental continental life a collection of stories that will excite your curiosity and offer new perspectives on the world here more at intercontinental dot com forward slash life from the opinion pages of the Wall Street Journal. This is Potomac. Watch with the House of Representatives Impeach Donald Trump that seems increasingly likely after Speaker Nancy Pelosi supports an official impeachment angry Democrats Sprint to assemble evidence about a whistle-blower allegation of abuse of office welcome. I'm Paul Zhigo with the Wall Street Journal Opinion Pages. With my colleagues bill mcgurn Alot Bill Hyphen Kim Strassel Kill so folks what a difference a week megs last week at this time a story we were still trying to sort out the facts of a murky telephone call that Donald Trump told what he told on the call of on July twenty fifth to Ukraine's President Vladimir Zielinski Alinsky now week later. We've all seen the transcript we've seen a memo from the whistle blower complaint that was murky a week ago and Democrats seem all but decided I did on impeaching peaching Mr Trump for what they call an abuse of office so let's try to dissect the politics of this dissect the some of the merit I have to say and I don't know if the two of you agree with me but as I look at the evidence so far and took a look at the transcript Kim and the whistleblower complaint I see some things that birther me I think some some things that show a certain recklessness perhaps if confirmed and bad judgment and and in one respect bad policy if in fact the president did suspend military aid to Ukraine for a period that's not confirmed and yet by the way or who were or how it that might have happened. That's an allegation and the whistleblower complaint but other than I don't. I don't see something that I would describe as so grave that you should impeach the president. I totally agree with that. You know do we do. We wish Donald Trump trump had just not mentioned Joe Biden's name in the course of that conversation absolutely do we wish that Rudy Giuliani were not out kind of freelancing as the president's personal lawyer and pushing the Ukrainians to investigate. I wish that we're not the case either but an impeachable offense offense at the bar for that is very very high and here's what we know there was there's no criminal conduct here was actually reviewed by the Department of Justice and said there was no campaign pame finance violation involved with this. There is no quid pro. Quo One thing that I think is really notable. It got missed from a couple of days days ago but the New York Times reported that Ukrainians did not even know that the aid was being withheld until a month after this conversation took place so how can you be the threatening them when they were not even. How can you be saying here all release the ad you if you do this digging when they didn't even know the aid hadn't been held up talk and of course the aid was was currently following right is currently flowing and so you know what we have here? We have a president who probably shouldn't have said what he said. never a good look and it's certainly not wise to provide what is now well known as a number of hostile actors even in the White House again says President Dr Provide anybody any ammunition like this because here's where we end up AH peachable no but bill on the point about the withdrawing aid I mean the the argument is that the president invited the The the Ukraine he said two cranes please look into this corruption in Ukraine and what happened in two thousand sixteen and then he mentioned Biden and Biden's help Biden's intervention intervention to fire a prosecutor fired who was investigating a hundred Biden. His son's company was affiliated with but if I mean I think that that's all that is not ideal as Kim said but the only thing and it really kind of rises to that makes me really bothers me a lot. Is this point about the aid if that was indeed suspended yeah. I think that's it's right and I think what you were saying. Before first of all as as we said aditorial impeachment is overturning the results of election right so it's a very high bar because the American mm people spoken and you're saying and it sort of extraordinary to me to put the emphasis on impeachment now when you're an election and scarcely a year why not wait and thought the bomb out of office us if you don't like them and you think that the case against strong I think my understanding is you know the the call has been interpreted by Democrats as we we won't give you money unless you come up with dirt on Joe Biden and as you point out that's not actually what translates a little more disjointed than that it says I want you to look into the two thousand sixteen election so I think the worst interpretations. They may be possible interpretations but they're not. They're not at all proved that that that's exactly actually what happened. There are other explanations that are that are more innocent in doing it and of course he was kind of all over the place and in different subjects with with Rudy Rudy and bill pin and a very trumpian fashion right right so I think it's very flimsy grounds to proceed and I don't know what the and remember one of the things. That's interesting to me is that when this came up the Wall Street Journal I think was more than the first out of the box to say look. It's a bad bad precedent when presidents have to release their phone calls and make public their talks with foreign leaders but probably it would be better for Donald trump to do so and he did and the complaint is out there and that's very different that kind of accountability from what for example Joe Biden. Does you know people ask him a question on what you raised on his dealings with this this gas company and he attacks to reporters and Mrs Pelosi declares an impeachment without having a full House vote the the processes. It's just interesting how the different sides are treating it well but of course as we all know impeachment and the definition of high crimes and misdemeanors the constitution is really whatever the the House of Representatives says it is. It's fundamentally a political act. It is not a legal act. You don't have to break a law and ultimately as a political act it will have to be sold and my promoted a I'm in or justified politically and Nancy Pelosi seems to have concluded that it is politically riskier to to not go ahead with vote at this stage than it would be to proceed. It's a fascinating political judgment Kim I think think I'm not quite sure I guess she must have decided that her more of our members were getting pressure for Democratic primaries if they didn't pursue it but but she is putting at risk some of her swing district members so what lot is GonNa depend on is how the political debate about this impeachment the vote the charges and so on how it plays out. That's just fundamental here. This is GONNA be a big political battle to sway public opinion. Yeah and that's what we saw happen this week. I have no doubt that Nancy Pelosi probably still believes that an impeachment inquiry an impeachment vote is a very bad idea that it is very risky but what we saw happened was that the activist left which has been aching aching for impeachment and frustrated that they didn't get it with Russia collusion or obstruction of justice when this Ukraine issue you dropped they jumped all over it and you can see it on social media could see it in the press releases that were coming out at the message was to Miss Pelosi End to these freshmen Democrats. You need to get on board with this or you're. GonNa lose our support. You'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA face primary challenges from the left in your district this this is a moment. Don't let it pass and once a couple of those freshman. Democrats moved over to saying that they were open to it Mrs Pelosi really had no choice but to move to and so now here we go with the politics and you are already seeing bowl sides doing this. You know the the trump campaign was out there bragging about the millions of dollars said it has raised in the in the couple of days since this was announced you have. Democrats trying to fundraise off this too. It's IT'S GONNA be a war of trying to control the narrative and to say whether or not this is good for Democrats or good for trump or bad or whatever were talking about the looming impeachment impeachment of Donald J trump and you're listening to Potomac Watch from the Wall Street Journal. You're invited to travel the world and discover what it means to live the intercontinental life with more than two hundred properties worldwide intercontinental hotels and resorts welcomes you to iconic properties in global destinations including New York London and Shanghai Hi discover more about the cities and the tails inspire with stories of the intercontinental life a collection of stories that will excite your curiosity and offer new perspectives on the world here more at intercontinental dot com forward slash life from the opinion Nyan Pages of the Wall Street Journal. This is Potomac. Watch welcome back Paul Zhigo with bill mcgurn and Kim Strassel so bill. You've I heard US talking about the the democratic political imperative here what do you make of the president's response here because certain times he he seemed that to welcome sometime back go ahead make my day impeach me but but I think he's been taken aback this week with a Repentiti entity of what has happened and you know you've told me many times no president want's to be impeached even if not even if the politics end up working working in in their favor. Democrats famously gained seats in Nineteen Ninety eight election midterm elections when Republicans were moving to impeach Bill Clinton but they went ahead anyway after the election and impeached him and I. I don't think he likes that scar on his legacy Agassi on the other hand. He's sort of for a man who's been impeached has a good reputation with me but is regarded as an elder statesman. I mean I think you can argue that. Clinton came out of it stronger even though it is a stain to be one of only two presidents impeached I look I think the politics so look my boss. George Bush sit in Iraq famously bring it on and you know and no one really wants to see brought on when they were talking about Iraq back in the fight I think the interesting thing now is one of the dangers of having the majority in one house is it can create a false sense of of reality I. I don't see how they're going to get if the questions that you raised about the substance that I think aren't clear. I don't see how they're going to get the sixty seven votes. They need in the Senate and Mitch uh-huh even if three or four go the other way. I just don't see that's happening and I think one of the lessons of impeachment certainly from the Clinton thing is if you're going to to do it because by doing this. Nancy Pelosi has identified her congress as impeachment Congress right. They're not gonNA have given up on an agenda. They're going to be debating this and trying impeach trump if they don't kill the king he stronger from well so I don't think that trump wants it you right because that's a lot to go through and and it's a big risk your betting the house but I think he could come out stronger if they don't do it. Well just to remind people the process. The House of Representatives has the sole all power to impeach a president and then the articles of impeachment if they are voted by a majority move to the Senate and the Senate conducts trial trial with Chief Justice John Roberts presiding and there will be witnesses for the house will have prosecuting attorneys and essence make make the case for the articles of impeachment whatever those turn out to be and then the president will have his representatives and legal representatives make the case against them and you get vote in the Senate in requires two thirds of the Senate that would be sixty seven senators to be able to oust a president. The only president is it into come close was Andrew Johnson after he was impeached. I think within a voter to one vote one vote and then Richard Nixon of course resigned after he was impeached impeached before the Senate held a trial but this was after he was told by senators he probably would have lost in in in the Senate so that's the process long way from that obviously although I don't think anybody should underestimate the degree three the speed with which the Democrats are moving here. I think they are inclined to move here. Kim within the next couple of months certainly before the end of the ear but I wouldn't be surprised if they hope to move even more rapidly than that because they think this has a nice little this this episode they they can tie together the facts charge abuse of power make it an understandable charge to the American public and make the case ace may make the case and and then sell it all right. That's the goal now that they've decided to pull the pin as it were and go oh down this road. They want to have the theater and the drama leading into the election and they're going to need that time to sell it to and one one reason that I think we don't know and I just want to add this that we don't really know how this is going to play is because of the lack of specificity on the democratic critic side and the lack of accountability so far in terms of impeachment they're not following that process that you laid out there they have not had a vote on the floor of the House to authorize a formal impeachment inquiry the Judiciary Committee which is normally tagged with doing they sings has not specified any enumerated articles of impeachment and and those are the the actual documents in words that spell out exactly exactly what it is that the president is accused of having done that rises to an impeachable offense and I think that this actually matters because if they're going to go through this process process what those specific articles are that they send onto the Senate is going to play a huge amount in how this is viewed by the public and how it's viewed by I Republican senators and now the impulse of this Democratic Party has been to overstep we'll see what they do here well and just to elaborate elaborate on that in the Nixon case the House of Representatives on the floor had a a vote to direct direct the judiciary committee to undertake an impeachment require Richard Nixon charges related to Watergate the vote four hundred ten to four. That's pretty big. Bipartisan vote the vote for the for the similar vote when the Republican House voted to impeach start an inquiry very into into Bill Clinton was. I think to fifty eight to one seventy six something like that again thirty. One Democrats voted for that now. That wasn't the final vote for impeachment. That was an articles but that was to start an inquiry. We've had that kind of a vote on the House floor to start an inquiry which is interesting. I think that that she hasn't Nancy. Pelosi hasn't been willing to do this and sooner or later I think they're going to have to lay it out in in detail and the big question mark I think for her is if you do impeachment on a partisan basis bill it's just naturally less less credible to the American public and if you WANNA know how that works out asked Newt Gingrich who lost his speakership because of it right and you can ask Jerry Nadler least Jerry Nadler Adler of a year ago because he was quite frank on several occasions when asked about this he said look it's overturning and election and the high bar is that when we move for impeachment impeachment we have to persuade trump voters. He said voters not necessarily senators but the voters people that voted for him that the transgressions are so large that yes. We need to impeach impeach. I don't think we're anywhere near that which is why I think Mrs Pelosi doesn't want to have the vote in that that brings up a a second point. I mean impeachment the a good thing about the way our constitution works is that it basically gives you powers but it puts them. Attach some accountability on it right go on the record. It's it's not required in the constitution that she have this vote to authorize but it has been the tradition and it's been a good tradition because it forces that accountability forces people to really make the decision. I'm not even sure they're going to have the powers of impeachment you know when you impeach. Impeach powers are different from oversight powers. Ah What they yes they are in the sense that it's a it's. There's no doubt about the the the right in the constitution to do it and courts have interpreted the right he spent process is giving Congress frankly more authority to get initial right so they have more authority so I don't know now court could say it's up to to to the house to set its own rules and it's not for us to decide but then then you really leaving it up. Is it really going to be the case that just if if the house says well. This is an impeachment richman inquiry the speaker and this isn't that that's going to suffice. I don't know it's it's going to raise a lot of questions and what we have now is a lack of accountability she either either. She didn't have the votes to do this or she thought. If I had the votes I would jeopardize some of those thirtysomething forty something Democrats in trump trump districts that might be endangered by this Kim Yeah. Please just add something here so actually this is really important that she has the votes votes. There are now two hundred and twenty three House Decker to house Democrats on the record supporting an impeachment inquiry so she could be holding this vote today and I I think it's very revealing that she's not in hasn't set a date for it and the answer is that she's got twelve holdouts still and and eleven of them represent districts that trump carried in two thousand sixteen and eleven are most of them are facing very tough authorizes and so while she's got the votes to pass the majority on this show leads to eighteen it would be embarrassing for the Democrats Democrats and I think that this gets to the politics embarrassing to hold a vote in which even the entire Democratic Party won't vote for this to go forward so I see so went too far from instead of doing what the Republicans did and nine hundred ninety eight and what the Democrats did in nineteen seventy four and build a bipartisan and vote for the behind the inquiry no matter how later the actual impeachment vote turned out. You're saying Kim that Pelosi fears she might might not even have all of our own caucus much and might not pick up any republicans correct. These are guys like Ron kind and Wisconsin Joe Joe Cunningham in South Carolina Kendra Horn and Oklahoma Max rose in New York out in Staten Island and they've now had days they could have got on board and indeed most of the caucus has the fact that they have not suggested they may not and that would be an embarrassment for her to do old vote so I guess the the the what they're gonNa do now. Going forward is attempt to tease out whatever they can about the whistle blower from the whistleblower probably have that whistleblower blower testify on Capitol Hill. We still don't know at this juncture as we're taping this who that person is try to get documents and other witnesses assist to testify about the suspension of aid and then anything else that seems relevant to try to convince those those votes and and and and convince convince public opinion but I'm already seeing some overkill by Democrats when they say Nancy Pelosi for example saying this is a cover up the the the the the trying to cover up the facts when it's hard to make that case for cover up when they're providing all the documents for the world to see even including documents that could be subject under the law to executive privilege right no and look it. It's all about the lack of accountability. That's I think that's the problem I think they're hoping that they will generate some information from the inquiries to justify the decision later and the public opinion will grow. We'll share their and further for for pizza veteran but they don't have a now. The public is clearly not with them on this issue and they're hoping that the drumbeat the constant talk of it will do it look. Let's remember Mrs Pelosi. Z. launched the official impeachment inquiry as she calls it before she saw the transcript before we had the complete. It's sort of facts later leader impeachment. I all right but this is. GonNa Start really rapidly. Kim briefly is not I mean this is going to. They're going to gin this up very soon. I think it's going to move very fast at this point. I mean look what will I think it could go either way. It's either gonNA. Go really fast or it's going to stall. I still think it's notable that she hasn't held a vote. She is deputized a six different committees to continue doing their investigations. we've having new subpoenas. Come out so we'll see if this is really the the rush toward the finish line or if this is going to be a lot more investigation and talk a impeachment. AFO impeachment drama well. She may still be hedging. Her bets all right. Thank you Kim. Thank you bill. Thank you all for listening. We'll be back next week with more additions of Impeachment Potomac Watch.
Full Episode: Tuesday, October 29, 2019
"Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started indeed dot com slash tonight that's indeed dot com slash tonight tonight several developing stories as we come on the air the first person working inside agents in order to secure the meeting with the president he says then National Security Adviser John Bolton interjected cutting the meeting short later Vin men recalled he colonel Alexander Vitamin a decorated combat veteran arriving on Capitol Hill today the first person working inside the White House to testify and the first witness Tuesday night and we begin tonight with the first person working inside the White House to testify in the impeachment inquiry spending hours already answering questions defying the White House into the US ambassador to the European Union in a meeting with Ukrainian officials then men recalled ambassadors sunland started to speak about Ukraine delivering specific investigation Oni raising questions about what SOM- Lynch told lawmakers the ambassador claimed no one ever raised concerns with him about his approach towards Ukraine Vin men says he reports inside the questioning the shouting that erupted were members of Congress trying to get the witness to reveal the whistleblower. ABC's Mary Bruce Leads us off from the hill tonight Lieutenant self-stated to ambassador Sunland that his statements were inappropriate that the request to investigate Biden and his son had nothing to do with national security vitamins testing order not to appear Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vitamin A decorated Iraq war vet and the top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council. His office in the White House ended his concerns about both the president's phone call and silence comments to his superior citing a quote sense of duty Republican leader Mitch McConnell today refusing to comment on these latest allegations does it concern you are you worried about the president's behavior at all I'm not gonNA question patriotism of tonight or Indiana grandfather charged with negligent homicide the family defending him and what they're now demanding to see deadly earthquake tonight building making homes and schools destroyed breaking news in the urgent manhunt for missing fourteen year old girl a confirmed sighting tonight with the suspect and the horrific attack who listened in on the phone call between President trump and Ukrainian President Vladimir Zielinski Vin men who works on the National Security Council telling lawmakers that he was concerned he listened in on that call between president trump and the president of Ukraine what he says he heard on that call and then reported on multiple occasions and tonight what we have just learned from it in year after the first deadly crash that 737 Max jet how he responded that cruise ship tragedy at toddler granddaughter falling from that cruise ship window that erupted during that testimony were members of Congress trying to get him to reveal the name of the whistleblower also breaking tonight the raging fires and Kelly is that a foreign government investigate a US citizen adding that it would undermine US national security he said he was also troubled by the behavior of Gordon Hoods setting homes on fire there is news coming in tonight about the pilot Boeing C. E. O. grilled by Congress confronted by families holding up pictures of loved ones in the Ken Burns Documentary Statue of Liberty Mother died so we went to Italy we came here he went on to serve in the army. The colonel today described himself as a Patriot insisting it is my sacred duty and honor to advance and defend our country irrespective of Party sedan on President Trump's phone call with the president of Ukraine what he says he heard and then reported more than once at tonight the other breaking headlined the shouting match Eh the major new concern at this hour tonight into tomorrow now bracing for the worst winds yet hurricane force wind gusts and tonight already in Los Angeles is your headline tonight raging wildfires across California and there is a major new concern tonight the strongest winds yet tonight into tomorrow in fact Hurricane Force Wind Gusts putting Los Angeles. ABC's chief national correspondent. Matt Guffman is right there for firefighters in southern California tonight time is the new enemy homes burned to the ground and to the north and San Francisco more than one hundred homes and structures gone rick seen the northeast tonight the plane crashing into a neighbor Looki- could potentially call their own witnesses that full House vote could happen as early as Thursday but you also have new reporting tonight about this shouting match that broke out inside today for more than twenty years receiving a purple heart after being wounded in Iraq by a roadside bomb today Republicans on the hill were quick to defend him we're talking about decorate earned that on that call trump was pressuring Alinsky to investigate Joe Biden and his son Hunter in his Opening Statement Veneman said I did not think it was proper to demand forty miles per hour fanning flames just feet away and tonight north of San Francisco long lines for gas amid power outages across the state nearly six any of the people who are coming forward the action is in the house now on twitter the president without evidence labeled vitamin A never-trumper lower is but the colonel insists that he is not the whistle blower and says he does not know who that person is David Mary Bruce Leading off again tonight Mary thank you and now the other aided veterans who have served this nation who put their lives on the line and it is shameful to questioned their patriotism their love this nation and we should not be involved in that process at a McDonald's drive through and the motive behind it this is ABC news tonight with David Muir fitting it it's great to have you with us here at some of the president's allies are questioning the colonel's loyalty to the US because Vin men and his brother emigrated here from Ukraine when they were just three years old their story captured theory well David this deposition got heated with lawmakers shouting at each other Democrats are accusing Republicans of pressing Vin men in an effort to reveal who the whistle true Los Angeles all the way down east of San Diego during the day tomorrow extremely humidity could these wind gusts we expect to see in the city's thirty forty fifty mile per hour gusts tonight more than one hundred homes and structures burned cade fire in the north and new evacuations underway there and look at this this video emerging from Sacramento bounds in Acre kincaid fire visibility near zero as these crews put out hotspots in Sonoma's county more than one hundred fifty thousand evacuating hundred thousand customers could soon be in the dark when will it end match up and joins us live from Los Angeles tonight and Matt we know officials are very worried about these winds in the coming hours and seventeen helps fire hoping they don't return to another scene like this a new video shows the danger drivers faced in Sacramento on Sunday auto amend guiding drivers as the fleet from grass fire along interstate five escaping through that gap in the fence winds gusting you can see it diving straight down the fire damaging at least three homes neighbors rushing to help a woman inside one of the homes that caught fire was able to it's part of Los Angeles is so incredibly remote and in northern California winds are already picking up for forty five hundred firefighters are battling the seventy five along the ridges where those fires start explode potentially as much as eighty or eighty five miles an hour peaking tomorrow but lasting at least through Thursday David well gusts up to or politics all right so let's get right to Mary Bruce She's live up on the hill tonight and Mary we know Democrats have now unveiled their plans for the public phase of this inquiry public hearings I know on fire the plane was flying from Leesburg Virginia and crash just before getting to the airport in Linden New Jersey God the pilot was the only one that smoke into the valley's for bad of air conditions they're critical conditions up there we go extreme here in southern California beginning around midnight in that area gets expanded risk to twenty seven million people David all right back up in there tonight again for us Matt thank you let's get right to senior meteorologist Rob Marciano also live in California because these winds here for the next few days they say that the pilot did not make any distress call so this investigation is just beginning David all right Gio Benitez in New Jersey Tonight thank you on Capitol Hill Today on the one year anniversary of the first deadly crash involving Boeing's new seven thirty seven Max jets the company. CEO Coming under fire the seal apologizing eighty five miles per hour all right Robert thanks to you again tonight as well to the other news at deadly Plane Crash Into New Jersey neighborhood about twenty five miles outside New York City in fact look at this two families of the victims more than a dozen of them standing with photos of their loved ones lost but the questioning was hated did Boeing ignore warnings here's ABC doorbell camera captured the Cessna plunging from the sky there and the distance slamming into a home erupting into flames second home going up in flames two ABC's G and how difficult it was for drivers for families trying to escape down a hill that's interstate I five there tonight southern California bracing for the strongest Santa Anna Winds yet include looking like this when he can see those crews coming up the hill right now to continue working and it's not just in this part of California forty three counties under red flag warnings tonight that apply on board the two engine eight seat plane and was killed in the crash no one else was injured and David investigators from the NTSB are here on the ground right now they're going to be he does is on the scene in Colonia New Jersey tonight tonight the horrifying moments after a small plane comes crashing down into a New Jersey neighborhood David Corley for the first time in on tonight's one year anniversary of the first seven three seven Max crash Boeing CEO. Dennis Muilenburg face run out just in time uninsured and we made sure we had someone to check on the two houses next door because the flames were about thirty to forty feet high and the whole first floor second floor was Congress we've made mistakes and we got some things wrong listening family members of some of the three hundred forty six who were killed in those two crashes were in flying coffins as a result of Boeing deciding that it was going to conceal Anka's from the where you are this part of Los Angeles very vulnerable to these fires in the hours ahead that's right David this area hasn't burned in decades in the last time it did hundreds of homes ended up first time Muhlenberg meeting privately with those family members who seemed unsatisfied he gave some flimsy excuses on why let's up for failure senators from both parties demanding to know if Boeing intentionally concealed defects in the caste system from the FAA so basically a real danger in the hours ahead a rob looking tell us well here we go again David yet another big wind event coming to just last couple of weeks and as you mentioned this could be the worst not just this year I'd want point it looked like it was doing fine but it was low and then they heard a loud bang when of course hit the house a doorbell cam capturing the moment the plane fell out of the Sky Puerto Rico when her grandfather lifted up to see out the window for grandfather tonight has now been charged with negligent homicide tonight the little girl's family is standing is just unfathomable Royal Caribbean calling it a tragic incident saying assisted authorities but close family says the cruise line I lied to the regulators unknowingly that from a message between two test pilots in two thousand sixteen appear suggest problems with the cast but the sea they did not ground the Max after Lanier both Republicans and Democrats in Congress which mandated the certification system nearly fifteen years now say changes do need to be made the Boeing CEO hopes the Max flies before the end of the year others David think it's going to be sometime early next year all right David Love Symbols Angeles most exclusive neighborhoods pounding fire from the air and on the ground had his firefighters you're trying to cut lines because okay who covers aviation force thank you there is new heartbreak tonight for the Indiana family lost their little girl when she fell from the eleventh floor of that Royal Caribbean cruise ship docked in San Juan Lyda grandfather they blame Royal Caribbean and what they're demanding to see here's ABC's Victor Kendall three months after clue wiegand plunged one hundred fifteen feet to Kevin Max which misfired repeatedly nosing down those two jets you have now put into a system that overrides the pilot in command of that aircraft you set those Oh says he didn't see those until earlier this year here the CEO the buck stops with you I would walk before I was to get on a seven thirty seven Max also for the honestly that's a compound this on top of it really just kicking a man when he's down there lawyer telling us close parents are standing by her grandfather's account saying he brought the eighteen month old to the this area near the ship's Waterpark to look through the glass her mother at the time telling NBC he had no idea that window was open he was extremely hysterical. I didn't follow safety guidelines and wants to see the ship surveillance I think this is just GonNa show exactly what Sam is too long clue his grandfather was released on he's due back in court next month the family plans on suing Royal Caribbean David Victor Thank you and there is new reporting tonight about the operation that took down Isis leader Abu Bakar agreed with the family leaving the home they moved into just three months ago hate Hitler experience you shouldn't be experienced in something like this losing their home in twenty news they had an informant inside his inner circle providing critical details including the location of his compound it's room by room layout even giving them put the premise that that we would lie or conceal is just not consistent with our values m CASS assistant added to the seven three message to America tonight new details about the operation L- attended with the death of Isis leader Abu Baqer Baghdadi Kurdish sources telling just a short time ago deadly require overseas tonight the images coming in building shaking homes and schools destroyed and horrific attack at McDonald's drive-thru customer throwing leading to go home today we met one of them in a top security jail in Iraq killing people are any safer now Baghdad Elba daddy tonight the Kurds say there was a Kurdish secret informant who helped the CIA who believed provided crucial aid to the US intelligence and they say he was at the compound but in in years look at the Red Flag Warnings Matt mentioned a huge expanse we've got high wind warnings that just been upgraded across southern California the winds picking up all day across northern California pouring in win those special forces arrived at the informant left when they did and with them tonight. ABC Senior foreign correspondent Ian Panel inside one of those Isis prisons and one prisoners with lifelock and all in one membership for your cyber safety that gives you device security identity theft protection of VPN for online privacy and more plus if there's an identity the thing that he has repeatedly told us is I believe that there was glass he will cry over and over until lose our baby this way left with US forces but thousands of Isis prisoners fighters still alive some imprisons like these overflowing many foreign fighters plea this is not my didn't write their destiny this is their destiny this day will not stop will not stop camouflage clothing different from what they left in and Lynch has changed his appearance now clean shaven search teams quickly set up a perimeter hoping to close in after a confirmed sighting of missing fourteen year old Isabel Hicks and Bruce Lynch her thirty-three-year-old suspected abductor when Isabel was spotted she remorse would you say so the parents of Kayla Mueller Stephen Salt Love James Foley what do you say to them from a Royal Caribbean ship for Grandfather Sam Nilo now facing charges of negligent homicide in Puerto Rico the family is reeling tonight they've already been grieving so lose control of it exposing you to cybercrime but you can get back a sense of control over how to help protect yourself and your personal information thankfully there's Norton three sixty six quake struck the island of Mindanao building shaking office workers escaping to the streak authorities say ten schools and hundreds of homes are destroyed a pair of Baghdad he's underwear and a blood sample for DNA testing to prove it was him the informant they claim was critical to the successful American mission wean is the looming threat the brain their worst wins in Los Angeles is seen in the last two to three years on the frontlines of the getty fire brutal conditions in the hills just the without success there's a high probability that they haven't really gone far they've just gone back into hiding police say that Lynch may be carrying a handgun and his family says and bump in Virginia more than a week ago resident called police after spotting the pair just after nine o'clock last night they then ran off into the woods police say they were wearing darker appeared to be unharmed which was a good to hear and hopefully that she'll stay that way is the first time Isabel has been seen since she vanished from her listen to is totally within your control your personal information on the other hand that's another story because when you shop bank or browse online your personal information gets out there and tonight now allowing college athletes to profit from the use of their name image and likeness the board wants the new rules in place by January of twenty twenty one finally tonight go confirming a sighting of eighteen and the suspect here's ABC's Linsey Davis tonight an all out manhunt in the Virginia Woods theft related problem they have agents will work to fix it now no one can prevent all cybercrime identity theft but norton three sixty with lifelock is a powerful ally to
Mike Pence's Role in Ukrainegate | Tyler "Ninja" Blevins (Rebroadcast)
"You're listening to comedy central October two thousand nineteen comedy central's World News Headquarters in New York this is the daily show with Trevor Noah ears confirm that these ads are powered by the bureau's verified facebook page and that they are publicly viewable yes you heard that writes facebook is goosing Russian spies who live in America with ads hoping to get them to defect and that should tell you how powerful facebook ads off like if fried hotdogs from now on only Fried Salads all right let's move on to some other news facebook it's how we keep up with racist friends and how we also on tonight's episode Sugar Daddies a going to school Bernie Sanders beats a heart attack and Donald Trump Eh let's catch up on today's headlines Let's kick it off with some great news twenty is getting impeached make some noise yeah makes them Nice but congressional procedure me hopeful Bernie Sanders says he's feeling good after heart surgery the Vermont senator cancelling several campaign events after the treatment for a blocked artery sanders is using the opportunity need to push his healthcare plan tweeting quote none of us know winning medical emergency might affect us and no one should fear going bankrupt if it occurs Medicare for all repeat for parties we're never going to attempt and now the FBI has found a new use for it the FBI is now running facebook ads targeting autry in his heart and it looks like he's recovering well I'm really excited and I thought it was really sweet that many of his presidential candidate opponents sent him well wishes I love about him he's consistent most people wouldn't think about other people in their policies crisis but Bernie just use it as an opportunity to reinforce his beliefs right the we need better mental health care and Gotham psychopathic clouds they need our help but yeah Bernie needed a procedure to unclogged it must be hard to operate on Bernie no one thinks about that because he likes solid believes what he believes I bet like in the middle of surgery he just woke up and he was like why does the doctor Russian spies the goal is to convince those spies to switch allegiances and cooperate with the US government the FBI did not confirm any details about the campaign but we can does even sweet says that when Bernie received the wishes he equally redistributed them amongst the people in the hospital you'll get the one from Kamla you'll get the one it has a sudden heart a heart procedure and his first statement is this is what America needs healthcare I love that like Bernie was kidnapped by the joker he'd be like dishes the professional gamer an internet superstar he's now come out with something called a book China Blevins Aka Ninjas joining us on the show everybody by contrast them what chance do you have like resisting those untuckit shirts I go to buy one and I will say it must be burning man I'm so happy and I'm so glad that Bernie is like in the mix all right and finally in education news everybody knows that teaches in America don't get the appreciation all the pay that they deserve but now Bernier getting better and I'm not GonNa lie you know who I blame for happening for this happening in the first place Iowa that's who I blame stop making candidates eat that shit thank you coming out talk our guest tonight our guest tonight zoning to sugar daddy dating websites seeking arrangement to pay the bills the site allows women to set up mutually beneficial relationships often with older men Lim listening to us so here and I guess it's obvious but I I never really thought about Russian spies and today was yet another day of major developments in the unfolding Ukraine scandal so let's catch up on all the latest news ongoing segments the fantastic absolutely he's having social media just like the rest of us right because when you think about it it's bad enough when your mom posted embarrassing comment on one of your photos but for a spy that's chicken the things went into another gear on Capitol Hill today as Congress heard from the first witness it's impeachment inquiry Kurt Volker we're willing to pay for companionship now seeking arrangement says they have more than ten thousand teachers on their site Yup that's right Oh some teachers are going online to find people who do appreciate them a lot of teachers have to take second or third jobs to make ends meet but now we're learning more and more are he's the former envoy to Ukraine who resigned last week after it came out that he had been texting with trump lawyer and haunted egg rudy Giuliani now guys unbelievable he's already facing impeachment for asking Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden and now he's like you know what in America are paid so poorly that some of them are turning to sugar daddies to make ends meet and I'm sorry that's embarrassing news for America it's also bad say that presidents Alinsky if it were me I would recommend that they start an investigation into the Biden's China should started a week times five equals you should be doing your shit young man all right that's for the headlines this move on Chop Story and she's going to be like great but I just wanted like thirty six boxes of crayons can you help me with that yeah I also hope that the teachers use this to guilt their students into working harder for sugar daddies because there's no romance this is not what they going to do with the teachers right the sugar daddy is going to be like hey baby I got us tickets to Paris for the weekend she killed you must have some Russian mom who's just like hey blood how is being secret spy in the medical are you eating enough focus testimony took place behind closed doors so we don't know exactly what he said well he was talking in privates Donald Trump was letting loose on the White House lawn says president trump used pence to informs alinsky that US military aid was being withheld White House officials say pence likely would have received detailed notes. Teachers should just be like you didn't do your math homework do much eighty year old Dick that calculator costs let's figure it out all right one Dick Times twice this just breaking president trump leaving the White House calling on two different foreign governments to investigate his political rival Joe Biden so I would don Jr. Eric cancel each other out that means that only ever Vonda it works people were totally works now joining his pressure campaign on Ukraine the president reportedly instructing pence to skip the inauguration of Ukraine's new leader Vladimir Zielinski the paper also as the scandal develops more and more people in Trump's orbit are getting sucked in I it was trump's personal lawyer then it was his secretary of state I wouldn't be shocked member of the trump cabinet is getting pulled into Ukraine Gates this morning the Washington Post Reporting President Trump repeatedly enlisted vice president Mike Pence I M it's a thank you next of politics to me that not only taints him but it makes him ineligible as well for the presidency wow so mike pence likely knew about the phone call had what's interesting is that Mike Pence doesn't deny that he got tough with Ukraine what he claims is that it was all totally innocence assist the transcript and personally told Dolinsky that he wasn't getting his military eight pence was so deep in this thing I bet mother considered a cheating like we can all agree right that's full body Morse Code that's what that is but it would but now yet another trying for a secret agent to see an ad talk targeted at secret like he's going to be secret and the edges pops up and they're just like Oh my God how did they know next week we find out Sean Spicer is also somehow part of this and we'll be like yeah he's been sending secret messages to Ukraine on dancing with the stars because that's that's not I'm not shocked I'm honestly not shocked that pence was involved because he does whatever trump tells him you realize that right like you see trump is he's he's so much more than the north they were hard they worked like pull the plug never is no plug Dole Toyota site looks anyway we're really happy association into the bike because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with with Ukraine's the new umbrella with poison tipped how did they know this I wonder if they're like chatting to other spurs like a to get the umbrella I told you the next short totally unaware blissfully unaware of what trump was really upset but what's interesting is that it seems like this is excuse for a lot of things that happen ties to Turkey let me save hearing that story today was the first I heard pence was not aware of communications with wikileaks he was unaware of this controversial meeting Volk Joe Biden his aides insist he was in the dark okay I'm not GonNa lie this is this is a weird excuse pence says he was pressuring Ukraine the president's call with the landscape in his daily briefing book on July Twenty Six the vice president might be tainted by all of this if the vice-president knew about that and was involved in a union like my fellow Americans the state of the Union is like this you know we'll be right back but he didn't know it had anything to do with Joe Biden that makes no sense so why was he pressuring them he didn't know why would be like a mob enforcer not knowing what he's enforcing America because you realize if trump gets kicked out pence becomes president but clearly he has no idea what's going on right which means he's just going to be at the state of the Jason and he basically picked ned flanders vp if trump says jump into that volcano pence would be like Oh cally locally Sir I'll do it in this White House seven people close to the vice president tells CNN pence was unaware flint spoke to the Russian ambassador about sanctions he was unaware of apparently whenever there's a trump scandal mike pence never seems to know what's going on never he just has no clue he's like every mom watching a movie just like is that the bad Guy Mendes road to impeachments for having the best record the president should ever have to presidential harassment the police officer Amega Ivy so that's why the police officer who said she accidentally walked into I don't know about any of the bad things happening in the trump administration which is most of the things happening I mean if that's true that's actually not good here with you we just started watching this together I'll tell you at the end because the way the way he tells it Mike Pence Ammann's apartment in her building and then she thought that he was the intruder and she shot him dead and I remember when the story happened it was a wild story of the the Oh Richard Swirling about what parents do when officials close to Penn say he was unaware the president had also pressured Linski for damaging information on political I thought you would know I just show up and I go like this with my hands then people do a thing I don't even know what it is so mike pence is excuse seems to be that he was me was the judge allowed the defense to use the what they call the castle doctrine in America so they would allow the defense that she was protecting her WanNa get it on a to you jump in as well trump might be the only person on earth who thinks two wrongs do make a right yeah in his mind he's probably like yeah it makes sense worried honestly was worried this was going to be another one of those cases in America where justice didn't get served because it seemed like a fairly you know black and white excuse the Pun case that's why I woke this morning of those developments oh I learned as I awoke this morning yes Hashtag I woke like this the you've been keeping up the news you've probably seen the story coming out of a Texas that's that's blown up and it's been taking place for a while it's been the trial self because she thought it was her house which already was like weird to me because I'm like the costume doctrine is a very strict law in America but but get it fundamentally if you in your house you can do whatever you need to protect yourself but this was interesting with the judge was like no you can wear love defense that you thought you in your house so you shot somebody in there mom that's the pixar movie hasn't started yet why did it killed mom it's just a thing just like the movie started my mom used to do that all the time uh-huh and then the verdict was handed down the jury did find her guilty but what has followed since has been really interesting story and we actually we actually have you know I mean 'cause it was already crazy it's like you're wrong apartment and he shot the person what were you doing what you know and so the trial has been going on and the first thing that was a little weird you guys are amazing we're welcome to the daily show everybody actually coming up for being here house but it's not your house because then you can just think you in your house anywhere it's already that was weird and you know I was ah just like the guy showing up I don't think you understand Tommy my boss wants you to do that thing we look what do you want when you want me to do I don't know the thing by the way I don't know if yours did we'll be watching a movie together we just started like somebody gets killed in the beginning and then we like travel why did they kill him like the movies Tur- fate yesterday Amber Geiger was sentenced to ten years in prison for the murder of both from John but it was what John's brother did after the sentences hip it's really complicated story but this is this is basically what went down the white former Dallas police officer convicted of murdering her black neighbor has learned because they're like she doesn't deserve hugs she deserves to lose her life the way she took a life and I'm not speaking for everybody I know maybe I'm speaking for myself and someone people are looking at a story white woman who shot a black man in his house who did nothing in his house and people were angry and understand why so many people are angry we'll be eligible for parole in five years some outside the poor room thought the sentence was too lenient honestly I I admire the compassion of the gene family at the same time though I understood why so many people were angered by that moment because this thing has really it's so funny how many how many complicated feelings they are ending around first and foremost a thousand Kudos and just like you know everybody should have a judge look at them like a human being everybody in society should be treated with a level of compassion they should eight years in prison for killing his older brother both them at the end of the hearing judge Tammy camp gave a Bible to Geiger and embraced her as well amber geiger so that's basically the story as it stands and it's interesting because I like I sat with this the story and I talked to my friends about it's an friends but I feel like the anger actually comes from people feeling like that is the level of empathy everybody should receive in courts and and I think that like all of it stems from the conversations around race in America you can't you can't avoid it there's people in jail in America for doing far lesser crimes you know whether they've been you know charged with drug trafficking they just had a certain amount of drugs and assumed to be drug traffickers or people where they said it was violent crimes and it was assault but this spending more time in jail and then this seems like another case of the system preferring a certain you know blown up online people saying they were angry that she was getting hugs from the judge and they were angry that she was getting hugs from the family and some people it would a lot of people that people feel like ten years five actually is not a lot of time to be given for taking another human being's life especially if you found guilty of murder you know what I mean it's like when you you helped him put the sheet on every night I thought he just liked Halloween and that's what a lot of people feel like in the victim feelings but I but I I think I understand what is happening in so many different ways with with how people look at the story on the one hand you can't deny it'll be punished if they've committed a crime but we should still look at them as human beings and yet this narrative doesn't seem to be afforded to black people in America especially by the news because if you look at all the instances they feel like like those white tears a really felt whereas the tiers of many other people people of different races people are the genders on felt as much you know I mean the white women tears anything like traffic stops any white woman cries and people like all right yeah uh-huh suggests like Oh man what a disaster story they tell you about the human being behind the acts this story showed you the exact opposite example this young is what's expected you know what I mean it's almost it almost feels like if you're black person who commits a crime and goes to jail well that that's a that's what black people do but if you're white person who commits a crime and they don't go this young black man who was recruited into a gang and and had no other choices look at this put just go like he was sentenced and he was found guilty and that's the story as if that type of person who looks a certain type of way who certain type of narrative ten years five years I get why people angry I get why people will this is another case of white women tears doing their magic stories about this they do painters beautiful moments wishes hugged by everyone and so but it's like they don't use that same editorial when a young black child is going to jail it's true it's a joke but it's true at the same time it was like white women throughout history have been very good at like stepping away from the thing just with their tears you know ooh black man was doing his own thing he got shot they told you that he had a history with we'd news told you that why they always tell you that this man surface but what a lot of people are seeing here is is reinforcing of an idea but I think the mistake we shouldn't make us people talking about this right now because they like why would they hugging her she murder man why she getting hugs and the other side is like yes but they're forgiving her she still goes to jail but it's about forgiveness and I just I sat with it and I've I've everyone looks at the clan everyone forgets that the wives of the clan you know what I mean people like those clan and then like the the wives can tell them I didn't know compassionate and saying hey I don't want anyone to spend excessive amounts of time in jail and so the same way a white shooters disarmed piece and I think that's people need to understand is that like some of the narratives that we tell in share but what's happening in the world so much more powerful than we actually think they are you think it's just the shot in a traffic stop now he did have an an assault case ten years what does that have to do with this traffic stop you know what I mean what was the travelling through time to punishing him what is that the guest tonight is a professional game with more than forty million followers across his platforms and a brand new book called wight you would hope that same level of compassion and empathy would be applied to black when you want because you are truly the pioneer of elite sports gaming in terms of being a person who you brought into the mainstream get good my ultimate guide to gaming please welcome Tyler Ninja Levin really the same way a white murderer can get a hug in a courtroom and sympathy the same way a young shooter spoken about as a human being because he welcome to the show thank you thank you for having this is so exciting you're not just playing a video game you put hours in as an athlete how many hours do you play a day minimum like eight hours minimum yeah and and not just eight hours with me to my first tournament and like I think it was in Columbus Ohio because she thought it was Major League gaming I'm old rights she thought that it was a fake company of old people who lured kid is that we shouldn't necessarily jump to we want people like amber guy gets to spend more time in jail and the most time in jail I think what we should be asking for the same level of in the world yet period in the world that is that is pretty wild it's pretty crazy I definitely didn't see this common really just loved it's like eight hours of grinding and practicing what you do a lot of mental strain I mean imagine someone imagine like playing a really really stressful mind satellite molested yeah I would think the same thing if my kids said I'm going to get money to play video games we'll be like who's giving this money van involved Oh shut up I shut someone's head that was Nice Oh you've got killed Zuma I think so I mean I shot them in these living but I think that's what happened the Games and love streaming so what did you do the first time someone paid you for did you think it was like a trap my mom my mom actually made my dad straight with minimal breaks I would say maximum actually took the longest break was like one week yeah you say I mean it's like chess if your opponent was also swearing me and in my opinion like gaming main that blew up that was one of the first times I feel like that that gaming and streaming really hit like almost every single news challenge game like chess for just eight hours straight writes at a at a high level it's it's difficult it's really exhausting in a way but yeah I mean every day I did it for like honestly eight years aww dancing in the lobby chasing you owed children money like screaming like does that ever seem normal choose that become a bona fide celebrity to in the world and some people don't know you when you walk down the street it's crazy I don't really I just I'm just game that's how I look at it so I don't I mean I love it the money but really has blown up and what what I found interesting is how initially there was a lot of resistance people like why are you getting money for playing a video game yeah but people don't understand I read the book and as a game of but just like someone who's interested in what you do I found it fascinating how you break it down like this is like the business of gaming and it's the business of the sport like this bigger than just gaming it's become an idea it's become a brand you work with the data that you stream you're like you broke the record for the most subscribed in the middle of the game it's a no because like I played I was like I played with Ninjas today I played fortnight for the first time ever and you play I'll look this is happening ran down stairs started the stream right back up and then you know shrimp like three hours and then I was freaking out I passed out right away after I woke up great and then I came back and got beaten every single time what was fascinating to me was this we were playing and our accounts like locked so people just joined because there was huge they were like Ninja is going to play against drake and I was like I'm sorry the what's going to happen yeah I woke I woke up after so like it was like a last minute thing with seven violent gaming makes the kids want to shoot people but this is something I honestly found when I was playing with you and I love that you read about it in the book as well like the Community that gaming provides people oh yeah to like just insane twitter timeline was matt yeah it changed it changed everything and I think we started to see that in the rise of Ninja you know you become oh you but I mean this is this has been a right for you Y- going from your Mama's basement playing games to now being one of the highest paid athletes but there really is like you said the kids were dancing with their little avatars as like a fund that is associated with right why do you think that community annual which technically doesn't exist right is that why you wrote it I really wanted to just give back I mean I've been screaming for a long time and every day I get asked question I think that you know when a kid screaming my name I I love it man is do you think it changed when you played against Drake Oh do that I mean that that took and you played on a console for the first time ever and we want to match together which is pretty amazing look pretty in fricking in Scotland and you're an American you've been you can formulate like that literally wasn't possible you couldn't do that you can have that fringe but couldn't play with that person and have a good time and okay let me ask you this because this is something that I found really really beautiful it's like in the book you talk about the myths in and around gaming people like gaming makes the kid it's you know Tyler Ninja settings you use what's the best keyboard what's the best headset how do I get better how do I get more viewers and it's like you know I was tired of answering the question so I wrote a book right we were only live for like twenty minutes I mean it's just it's insane so what is what does the Ninja do now because I mean like gaming is your life gaming your job gaming as your money yeah I game I just I just go I literally don't have them get off stream I obviously I usually watch other streams and I watch videos and I try to constantly always improve on my craft but also I'm always you know traveling and doing a bunch of stuff so when I finally do have time off man I'm just going to sleep a lot sleeping is gonna give me a beach right corona you know what I mean so fun so fun it's so fun to play with someone in informal relationship so you've never even met before another you know if you're a ten year old twelve year playing with another ten years that brought the court to a standstill please eighteen year old of brand John Forgave Amber Geiger who just been sentenced to like to to relax game for the job so what are you doing your time or did you like accounting what do you do I don't I don't even know I don't even know what I'd do my time central on comedy central and the comedy central watch full episodes and videos at the daily show dot com follow us on facebook twitter and instagram and subscribe to the and and at some point we'd like hundreds of online like all different ages it's only like nineteen year olds owns like ten and just like Nanjing Yeah that was a pretty dope yeah we won and then you told me to quits because I had a perfect win ratio is one hundred percent in the daily show with yours addition watch the daily show weeknights at eleven and I'm that friendship until gaming really started to take off and it's just getting better and I mean do literally had forty people were just dancing from different countries and our lobby is so tight knit why do you think that group is growing at the rate that it is people just love playing video games together it's a great way to connect man and you can do it from the inside your home it's awesome I mean I honestly it's the streaming show in a week now this book and this is interesting note this is interesting this is interesting because walk at night and I was I don't think I wasn't sharing I was done I think I finished like a twelve hour stream I woke up like six and I got off at six and then I got a text from drake like six or he's like hey man I'm on this game it will be now and obviously you can watch them gain of mix dot com slash major Friday everybody I'll be back and just checked out just shooting the solid week and a half right I love that all the way to the beach all
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"A strong man and a comedian. Sit Down to negotiate by the war. Between Vladimir Putin's Russia and Vladimir's Alinsky is Ukraine is no joke. We've got the latest on the start of peace talks. Plus Unsung Suji was hailed as a defender of human rights. Now she's defending Myanmar's brutality. I said that I condemn human rights everywhere and you must not forget that they have been human rights violations on both sides sides of the communal divide but some of those violations look like genocide and Finland thirty four year old son Marine becomes prime minister very special moment and have this female all women face of the government also the national election in the UK. Some say it's a choice between unlikable and untrustworthy. I'm Marco Werman stories are more today on the world. I'm Marco Werman. This is the world. We're all glad you could make it here this Monday. Now it's Zielinski turn since two thousand. Fourteen war in eastern Ukraine has killed more than thirteen thousand people. White House pressure on Vladimir reporting ambitions than Ukraine seems to have been fruitless so today Ukrainian President Volodin Music Linski sat down himself with Putin in Paris to find a way out of the conflict. No one expects a quick resolution from these talks today it is a big test for his Alinsky and his first ever meeting with Putin back home. Ukrainians are watching carefully. Protesters in Ukraine's capital this week were chanting freedom to Ukraine. They are critics of Presidents Alinsky. And so he's Balodia Mirror array of. I caught up with him today while he was visiting to Boise. Georgia array of is a member of the Ukrainian opposition party in parliament. He says Alinsky is not prepared. Word for these talks for Mr Putin. This time is best to have negotiations as well as the United States is very focused on its own turmoil. Moyle cost my mistress LESKIV and without this support it looks like who you are along. The best results of that negotiations in hidden tonight is resolved. Why would result in Paris? Be a good thing. We cannot trust any agreements with the Russian Federation. So these point should be a basic for Mr Lansky never trust Putin and John's counts on possible agreements agreements that might be signed after the Normandy. Format meeting might be signed well or not let me ask you this. So Ukraine doesn't feel the support from the. US is right now. What does that mean for presidents alinsky reputation at home? I think. Now it's a matter not as lansky personal reputation but it's a reputation for Ukraine's and the situation what we are faced to the United States. Well you know I can compare it to the very very popular in the United States. Super Bowl Games now. It looks like the Senate Republican or Democrat teams and the ball is Ukraine and during game. No one cares about the ball to be an object of insurer. American police seats is not bring cycle consequences for that object. Well it's really not expecting an American football analogy but Thanks for that anyway. I mean there are concerns about capitulation in these talks in Ukraine. But isn't the president's Alinsky right. Don't you need to have some sort of dialogue with Russia to at least start to end this war to have a dialogue with Russia means that Russia shoot via radiation to end this war day. Could pretend at stake may making us step forward to these. He's at the same time. Getting results Russia will come back To eat the usual style of conduct and aggression rationed will be ongoing so only one thing needed for awhile. It's to keep on sanctions until Rushton situation will be ready. Floreal bees not for indication who singing in the background. I'm sorry for that again I cannot. It's Georgia Mr. IRA have one more thing. I want to ask you about The Ukrainian public because Volodin Amir's Alinsky won by a landslide last spring in the Ukrainian presidential elections and and surely with the war. In the Dumbass in the background Ukrainians must have believed. That's Alinsky had some skills our strategy for dealing with Putin. Why did they vote for him? If they didn't thank he could be. A peacemaker. Should promise to be a peacemaker. It's a completely different stories. We deal with such a player like Russia duration so made its choice by emotions. It was not so rational choice we signed on that sleek exceed TV serious servant of the people that were Zilinskiene old show and people somehow trust the hero of the series whereas Alinsky Alinsky plays as the president of Ukraine. So there were implication of people hopes they stipulate their wishes for his as a personality than choose the people with the real program and the real background vladamir array of is a member of the Ukrainian parliament has political critical party European solidarity part of the opposition to President Vladimir Zielinski. Thank you very much for your time array of thank you more on Ukraine and the fight against corruption there later this hour here on the world in the UK it's untrustworthy versus unlikable according to much of the British public that's the grim political reality. l'idee staring them in the face on Thursday the UK will hold its third national election in four years and depending on where they live. Voters have a choice between one a several different political parties. But let's face it. This is really a contest between just two key political figures. Boris Johnson the current Prime Minister leading the Conservatives and Jeremy Corbyn leader of the main opposition party labour. The world's ORLA Barry reports from London. The was a time not so long ago when both of these he's British politicians were actually quite popular with voters as mayor of London. Boris Johnson passed in the goodwill that Olympic Games brought to the city in twenty twelve. The Countess Mania is and for his part. Jeremy Corbyn seemed to reach rock star status when he stepped on stage at the Glastonbury music. Basic festival in two thousand seventeen. See that look on the wool right over there that surrounds this wonderful festival is a message message on that wall for President Donald Trump. And you know what it says. The build bridges not walls. How Times have changed? This election was called in October. The approval ratings for both carbon and Johnson had plummeted in one poll. Just thirty nine percent of British voters said they approved of Boris Johnson. Now the country's Prime Minister and only twenty percent said they call Corbin was doing a good job as the leader of the opposition Labor Party. So watchman wrong well. Politics is complicated in Britain of course but a big part of the answer for Jeremy Corbyn at least lies with Brexit. Tim Bela's politics professor at Queen Mary University of London whose desire to sit on offense on that particular question and not. If you like plump very strongly either for remain offer leave has increased rest- the public's perception that this is a man who can't make up his mind and so is indecisive. cauldrons indecisiveness has infuriated many Labor supporters. A majority food want to Britain to stay in the European Union but Brexit isn't his only problem allegations of antisemitism have dogged Corbin's leadership even some of his fellow Labour Party members have accused him of not tackling. The problem within the party's own ranks. I cannot remain in the policy the I have today come sickening. Conclusion is institutionally anti Semitic Luciana. Berger is a former labor and birger. WHO's Jewish was one of seven in parliamentary members who quit the Labor Party earlier this year for her anti Semitism was a driving factor? The leadership has willfully and repeatedly failed else to address hatred against Jewish people within its ranks in the past week. Seventy sworn statements from Labor officials detailing antisemitism within the party were leaked to the news media and Corbin once again found himself apologizing. Obviously I'm very sorry for everything that's happened but I wanna make this clear clear. I am dealing with it. I have dealt with it. We just do not accept it in any form whatsoever. carbons not the only one apologizing for offending members. The minority community already said sort of any offense that I've caused I say again prime minister. Boris Johnson was forced to apologize on television this past week for comments he. He made about Muslim women in a newspaper article last year. Johnson wrote that women who wear the Burqa look like letterboxes and bank robbers. I think what people want to I know is what are we gonNA do now. What is going to be prime minister? Why would you say something like that? Well I think it's always worth looking at the whole who who says I'm really intending to say a because actually it's quite quite the opposite and I'm very proud of my record on combating extremism. Indeed in my Muslim ancestry and indeed as Johnson likes to mention and interviews. His great grandfather was from Turkey. But it's not just Muslim. Women who've expressed anger towards Johnson according to opinion polls. This prime minister is simply less popular with women in general. Some of this could have something to do with stories around his personal life that came up in another recent interview. How many children do you have? I- Cuban very much down off not standing at this election. And and I'm not that will get Ed Cohen on my you fully unholy involved in all their lines I- politics professor Tim. Bale says Johnson's past hurts the public's trust in him as a national national leader. We know that he has. Let's say a fairly colorful past but I think this is also a man. Because was he was a journalist has said all sorts of things and done all sorts of things that he's had to go back on in later life and therefore that gives the impression of someone who says one thing and does another another or promises something and then goes back on it today. The leader of the DUP the Northern Irish party that supported the Conservatives in government said she felt betrayed by Boris Johnson and over his brexit deal. But just how much do personalities Masher in British general elections because voters which using party not an individual when they go to vote vote on Thursday. Here's Professor Tim Bale again in the UK. We don't even a presidential system. We live in a parliamentary system. So therefore people on voting for the leader directly it clear as they are in for example the United States of America however we do know that over the years leaders have become more important. People's vote choices so Boris Johnson Johnson is seen as a bit of a lovable rogue by the British and Jeremy Corbyn think is seen as rother kind of techy Slightly kind of obsessive. A not the kind of person that you want to go have a drink with and for many voters. That's how they're seeing their two big choices. Will it be roguish Johnson or techy Corbin for the world. I'm more to Bari in London. White Island is a tourist destination. Thirty miles off the east coast of New Zealand and today at two PM. Local time interrupted interrupted today was really noticeable because just wonderful blue sky and suddenly a huge plume of steam. Right in the middle of that by. That's both skipper Phil van der Shotton as the ash and steam spewed from the volcano. Tourists on another boat were ordered below deck. Unfortunately I can confirm there are five people now deceased from the eruption. On what Orland New Zealand's Deputy Police Commissioner John. Tim spoke earlier today. A number of other people have been taken to focus tiny hospital and minimal hospital. He said they now believe that everyone who survived the explosion has been taken off the island. There's no sign of life on the island. He said before. The eruption of photo showed people walking in the crater of the Volcano Zealand's prime minister just into our said a number of tourists had had been on the island. I know it will be a huge amount of consumer anxiety for those who have loved ones on or around the island at the time And I can assure them police are doing everything they can wake. Island is also known as Hikari. It means the dramatic volcano. It is is New Zealand's most active volcanic island it's uninhabited. It's a spectacular place. It's beautiful kind of feeling of rule energy and you can hit the canine worrying. Ben Kennedy is a vulcanologist who's been researching White Island for the past ten years. Here's how he describes what likely happened today. Beneath the ground is a layer of of magma so magma is molten vox glowing stuff underground magma releases gas it rises to the surface and if they I magma to s is a nice open pipe and gas happily bubbles out of the top of the volcano and produces beautiful wonderful site. FILL UP FOR OBSERVE HOWEVER IF GAS League gets locked on its journey towards the surface is can Dan build up pressure and this pressure will be released when it's realistic and their throat. Clearing event goes. How's it one? That may ace Byu at rock and ash and in this case since smoke miles into the sky that's not that large as far as volcanic eruptions go but if you are close it is not good good Kennedy says this eruption is not totally surprising. The island had recently been on heightened alert. You're with the world I'm Marco Werman. You're listening to the world. Russia is now banned from competing in international sporting events for the next four years years and that includes the Olympics. Today's announcement comes from Wada. The world anti-doping agency it's a partial ban. Actually Russia's prevented from hosting international events events and sending officials to competitions but there's also a pathway for Russian athletes to compete in the two thousand twenty Olympics under a neutral flag if they can prove their clean gene rob killer is a former head of WADA. He's now general director of Global Athlete. That's a group that advocates for athletes. Rights Keeler is one of many critics who say that the ban on Russia does not go far enough. Russia has undermined the anti-doping system over the last seven years. Before I resigned in August two thousand eighteen I had had full oversight of the Russian roadmap and I stick to my guns day after day indicating that we would not let Russian officials athletes back at international events until they admitted me were involved in institutional doping but in September two thousand eighteen water gave an level Russia back based on promises of providing data. But it didn't provide the data in in fact they manipulated the data and to see a meaningful cultural change in Russia. There has to be a price to pay. Unfortunately athletes will have to suffer. That's something that needs to be done. They haven't learnt their lesson yet. And until there's a strong sanctions they won't learn our lesson. So the band essentially says that Russian athletes can't go under the Russian flag to the World Cup and the Olympics. But they can't compete. Is that the deal that's right. They can't compete. This is a game being played in my opinion leading up to Pian Chang hang in December two thousand seventeen. The announced that they were going to ban Russia and then in January that made a new statement saying they're going to ban Russia but they can compete Olympic athletes of Russia Russia yet again. They seem to bend the rules Russia because they are a powerful sport nation. They wield a lot of influence and the international community continues to let them compete this. This was the biggest hit to integrity of sports of the century. If not ever. And if they world agency doesn't pull the strongest sanctions they're letting off. It's down globally. You've gotTa feel although for the Russian athletes who are not guilty. I mean you really think somebody like Russian runner Yulia Stepanova who exposed doping fraud with her husband should should be banned from competition. The reality is there's a hundred and forty five athletes that will never know if they've doped or not because they manipulated the data of those athletes. That's the first thing the second thing is. I'm looking at the future. Generation of Russian offense that should have the ability to compete in sport and and the ability to compete clean. And the reason I say that is Russian athletes that was spoken to don't have a choice to compete clean. If they're in the system and they're asked to do something either do it or they you have to leave. So how can you be assured anyone's clean. It's a tough call to vent all Russian athletes. It's harsh but it's not the first time and that's the other thing. People don't realize the International International Olympic Committee banned South African athletes for almost twenty years because of apartheid. So it's been done in the past and we cannot hold aphids to a different standard so you clearly don't think rod that today's punishment is going to make Russia change its behavior. What do you think will happen for years from now? Once this ban is complete. Well well I don't think it will change the culture and if I have a crystal ball. I suspect that the Russians will appeal this decision to the Court of Arbitration of Sport. They have twenty one days as where they could appeal this decision arbitration which is not independent. Either because they are fully funded by the International Olympic Committee has a choice to make. They can either increase the sanction or they can overrule Wada's decision and I think it's going to be something to watch. My fear is that everything will be forgotten all likelihood the Russians could win this appeal. Rob Keillor formerly with the world anti-doping agency. He's now director general of Global Athlete. That's a group that advocates for global athletes rights. Rob Thanks for your time. Okay thank you okay. You know the song in Finland at least that's not an overstatement. The country's Transport Minister Son Marine is about to become the youngest sitting prime minister anywhere. She's thirty four. Marina will lead a centre-left coalition that includes four other parties all headed by women. Three of those women also under the age of thirty five the group is being hailed as eight new generation generation in Finnish politics. Johanna KONTA IS PROFESSOR OF GENDER Studies at Tampa University in Finland. They're quite strongly for example for equality. They are happy to call themselves feminists. It's not a very happy term in Finnish to call oneself feminists. It's also a pejorative term. Like in many other countries so it's quite special that they don't shy away from this term. They're also very so most of them. really want to fight it climate change and they're happy to talk about it so there is a specific outlook and a stark contrast to the government that came before this government. But he's a very kind of a very special moment for Finnish politics What gender and politics in Finland to have this female all women face of the government and what is the opposition that this young group of Women politicians is facing in Finland. The government that came came before this parliamentary elections which we had in May this very conservative government which had the radical. Oh right populist party in it. So we're one of the European countries which has had a right populace in the government and Something that affected all women was the fact that the government took away the statutory right to public childcare in public kindergartens and this has been the backbone of the Finnish Women Friendly Welfare State and has really enabled women's labor market participation so it was quite radical that the government decided to take away this right and now this current government the social democratic government is bringing this right back. I can imagine imagine how that move alone would have been hugely symbolic for women. All over Finland in terms of what a right wing government could possibly due to their lives. Yes absolutely absolutely on after wakeup calls. Let me get back to something you said. A moment ago The word feminist that. It's kind of seen as pejorative in Finland in yet this young generation this new generation of politicians they kind of embrace the word feminism. What is the context for why? That's a bad word Finland so in Finland there is is this distinction between the bad feminists and the the people who kind of support gender equality but not too radical feminist so we have very very traditional ideas about feminists and it's constructed as Straw person to fight against so that's why matters lettuce and why it's encouraging that they assist new generation for whom it's not appropriate and do you think those attitudes are going to change just because Finland's about to get a a thirty four year old and it's third female. Prime Minister with certain may be observing and studying gender. Still matters us in Finnish politics. It's not completely equal. We haven't reached equality Women and men politicians are portrayed differently by the media. There's a lot up more attention to women's appearance. What they wear how they make up is whether they have young children? These are all signs of the continuing inequalities qualities so it would be interesting to see whether these perceptions and ways of talking about women in Politics Will Change Johanna. KONTA LA is is a professor of gender studies at Tampa University in Finland. Thanks very much for being with us today. Thank you. You're with the world impeachment. Hearings resumed today coming up. The latest plus how Ukrainians are fighting the good fight against corruption. It's using the state resources in wants personal labor. It's stealing it's the abuse of power and that it doesn't matter who style of corruption is still ahead here on the world. I'm Marco Werman you're with the world where CO production of the BBC World Service W. G. B. H. Boston NPR affects. The Pentagon is winning the war in Afghanistan. At least that's what the. US policy makers have been telling Americans since two thousand one but that assessment is full of spin according to a new trove of documents a cache of previously unpublished published interviews with top US policy makers along with memo's long held in secret that describe the wars failure were just published by The Washington Post Ambassador. Douglas Lute Dude retired three star army general who served as the White House as top advisor on Afghanistan from two thousand seven to two thousand thirteen. These documents that have now been made public. Nick were internal. US government documents intended to shine a bright light on the experience in Afghanistan and to learn from that experience. The government government was actually taking and has been taking a very hard look at itself and look at itself in the mirror. And see what we can learn. So you told government interviewers ambassador acid in two thousand fifteen that those devising the Afghan strategy were quote devoid of a fundamental understanding of Afghanistan and didn't have the foggiest notion of what we were undertaking and quote. I mean that's a pretty serious indictment. How did you come to that conclusion? What were you saying publicly at the time I think the important thing here is context? So this was an internal. A government attempt together candidly by way of interviews Lessons from folks who had been involved with policy making it Afghanistan over the years so this was never intended to be a headline making effort. Why didn't we know about this? At the time everybody was saying everything was going fine nine and apparently it was not far from it. Yeah so I- I dispute that of it. I'm not sure I don't think the record is absolute that everyone said said everything was going fine. I mean I think those who are carefully watching Afghanistan for longtime now have been much more cautious in terms of their optimism and have been and much more balanced in terms of the challenges faced. There I mean look things like the poverty level of the corruption level in Afghanistan continuing challenges of the Taleban on with safe haven in Pakistan. These are not brand new topics to the American public. So for those who've been watching this carefully I think it's a much more much more balanced picture. Sure in terms of the challenges faced in Afghanistan and perhaps for the people watching it carefully but in terms of relaying what was really happening on the ground to the US tax paying public. I mean it was delivered in very pollyannish terms. And that's not what we read in this report. What was actually happening? I Don not completely aligned with your view. I mean look when we into Afghanistan was the fourth poorest country in the world decryption level was an Democ the longstanding problems with opium production and so forth. So so I think these sorts of notes of caution have nearly always accompanied the indications the suggestions that we could make progress and yet. I mean we're seeing the stories. He's about Defense Secretary Rumsfeld saying essentially we don't know who the enemy is in Afghanistan. I mean that's more than just well. Some things for bad things were good. I mean that's the admission of serious wrongdoing. Frankly well I I'm not gonNA. I'm not gonNA lay the blame for wrongdoing and so forth by way of this interview but look anyone who is involved in Afghanistan over the last now. Eighteen years has to come away with a sense. That is going to be tremendously hard. And I think that the reports of the now been made public certainly reveal that. Why is this report valuable? Well I think it's valuable number of ways. One of the reasons that this balanced between optimism and skepticism has been perhaps skewed over the years is that we did not establish what I would refer to. As continuity in the effort neff Ghanistan we had a revolving door of senior military leaders policy leaders in Washington tune ambassadors on the ground in Afghanistan and Pakistan. All of which served dutifully and served honorably during their periods but frankly we didn't establish publisher of continuity among them so that they could get a deep textured understanding of what was going on in Afghanistan so when I made the comment we didn't know what we're doing pick up over time. We didn't develop enough government expertise over these years to actually come up with a with a sufficient tient strategy ambassador Douglas Lute as a three star army general who served as the White House's top advisor on Afghanistan under President George W Bush and Barack Obama among Congress took another step closer to impeaching President Donald Trump today at times the proceedings were. Let's say lively. We will now move here presentation taste chairman. I appeal the decision of the chair. There's no decision to appeal. There was not a ruling emotion ruling on the point of order your ruling on the order. You made the point of order Mr Chairman then not allow us to appeal the ruling. The gentleman will suspend. That's Jerry Nadler Democratic share of the House Judiciary Committee trying to keep the hearing on track as Republican members tried repeatedly to disrupt things. President trump has been accused of abuse of office and Obstruction of justice. In pursuit of personal political goals. Nadler opened the hearing today with this argument. This pattern of conduct represents a continuing risk to the country. The evidence shows that Donald J trump the president of the United States has put himself before his country he has violated his most basic responsibilities to the people is broken his oath the Republicans. Of course have a very different view. Here's the ranking member. Doug Collins from in Georgia famous moments impeachment as we've gone forward their famous lines from Nixon. Life what did the president know. And when did he know it from the Clinton impeachment. There was. I did not have sex with that. That woman all it'd be known about this one is probably. Where's the impeachable offense? Why are we here? The offenses of trump according to the Democrats Council Barry Burke are pretty straightforward. He put his political reelection interest over the nation's national security and the integrity of its elections. He did it intentionally. He did it correctly. He abused his powers in ways that the founders feared the most the first round of impeachment hearings was handled by the House Intelligence Committee. But it's the House Judiciary Committee that has to make impeachment happen so today committee members heard formal arguments for and against impeachment. They also listen to summaries of the evidence. It's Democrats argue that the facts were not in dispute Republicans mostly attack the process but minority council. Steve Caster went further. The evidence does is not support a conclusion that president trump conditioned meeting with presidents alinsky on investigating former Vice President Biden. Caster went on to argued that trump was rightfully concerned about corruption in Ukraine. That's something we've heard a lot about through this impeachment process but if you go to Ukraine and ask Ukrainians they'll say it's not fair or accurate but different types of corruption in Ukraine still. Persist the world's Daniel often traveled to the capital of Kiev to find out more. Uh across the street from the that asks Shivshankar National University in Kiev. There's a park or students hang out between classes. They chat smoke. Cigarettes in squeezing some last-second study off. I'm here to ask people about an uncomfortable. Subject corruption if you don't study or you can pay money and have a nice grades and it's not a problem here. Bribery is the problem says Alexei Alexeyev have. He's a law student here at the university do know people who basically get through university like this. Of course I know a lot of people and do they talk about it openly are they. Yeah Yeah it's not A. It's not a boo boos. It's not the but hang on a minute minute. Alexei friend Vlad. Gotcha says he's another law. Student Body are not on the Russia. Lucretia Vlade disagrees with with Alexa he says we have a good country here. Good people corruption actually isn't a huge deal but Alexei chimes in again. I don't have any holes because a study here is very but I want to go to your say and This year I applied for green cards. Alexei is pessimistic about the future of Ukraine. Corruption is a big reason. Why but this isn't a new problem here? The fight against corruption came to a boiling point in Ukraine in two thousand fourteen. Hundreds of thousands thousands of demonstrators gathered in the big show of strength yet. Denouncing the government's decision. Not to sign a far-reaching trade deal with the European Union favoring during instead building closer ties with Moscow Ukrainians wanted to rid their country of corrupt Russian influence and after months of protests and Brute Government Violence Viktor Yanukovych Ukraine's corrupt pro. Russian president fled the country. This is the place where many many Ukrainians started learning about the full extent of union. Kovic is corruption the banks of a reservoir inside his three hundred and fifty acre estate. Here's investigative journalist that initial schenker journalists found a lot of documents. The papers were just floating in the reservoir they took them out all dried them and started studying them and a lot of things. We learned what those documents that he would buy lamps for hundreds of thousands thousands of dollars at the time. On the controversies fairly poor after you knew Kovic fled the country. His people tried and failed to get rid of evidence of his corrupt behavior. You're the documents discovered here. In the aftermath of the revolution helped Ukrainians learn all about their former presidents illegal activity. There were crawls if people like hundreds of people walking around same lost faces like what's happening so everybody asking each other like we. What does that what you Koreans decided to turn the Kovic estate into a museum of corruption? This was a symbolic victory for Ukraine and a hopeful sign for a newly empowered anti-corruption movement. Another sign of hope came in two thousand eighteen with the election of a new president. Alexandra which Alinsky a former TV actor won the presidency on an anti-corruption platform. The public knew knew him already from his hit TV. Show Servant of the People Alinsky played a high school teacher who becomes the president of Ukraine under unlikely circumstances sound familiar. I look much vision in this scene the fictional presence alinsky. It's challenging a corrupt tycoon. He says there is one law for all otherwise. Pack your bags and say goodbye. The scene captures the real presence Alinsky. He's agenda quite well with the majority and parliament. They're pushing an anti-corruption agend. The message is clear. Even Ukraine's biggest tycoons also known as oligarchs. I need to take notice but in real life that's easier said than done. The dealership SHANECO says Ukraine's guards are not going anywhere. Just look at how they control the news media and push their own agendas that makes the information space overwhelmed with the fakes and this information and that is a big problem blue crane because the majority of the population still getting the information from the TV news article. nonunion throw him with little cards. The answer is an analyst. Ed Detector Media a nonprofit based in Kiev. He says that in this country the tycoons rule the airwaves all the hot political topics are connected with position of this oligarchs. If some speakers commending something it means that it's connected with the position of the older redeem says is most Ukrainians understand. This are able to navigate the news landscape. Accordingly Channel Ukraine owned by Oligarch met of ICT channel owned by another oligarch Pinchuk Inter Channel is owned by the guy who is now arrested in Austria. Netto few some of the oligarchs in Ukraine are pro Russian others want closer ties to the West all of them are pro big business and skeptical of Government Regulation Mickey says that even Presidents Residents Alinsky the anti-corruption reformer has ties to oligarch named eager. Kalomo ski and his TV channel. One plus one is Lance Kit. Kat Craft his own production which produced few comic shows. This comic shows had exclusive contracts to showing on on TV channel of Choice Q.. One plus one so the Oligarch Lemoyne ski is basically presents Alinsky former boss. Maybe it's no surprise then that one plus plus one has treated Jelenski with overwhelmingly positive news coverage that makes some Ukrainians uneasy but he has tried to distance himself from Columbus key saying that he's not a toy in the oligarchs hands investigative journalist shift SHANECO says Ukraine's corruption problem runs deep. It's not just about politicians powerful oligarchs it filters down to everyday life and that's a big problem because Dan corruption becomes normal and it's it's very hard to root it out but bring it out. It's not a question of a year of even five years. It's a rush generations. Here's an example. When Ukrainians Unions go see a doctor they might also offer a gift that he calls it a bribe vehemently against it? She's even gotten into arguments about this with her mother. Mother fights we own discussion sometimes. Have a dead end where my mom says but you know doctors there so poor and I'm like yeah but that's not the problem. You are going to solve great so you can only solve the problem of you giving bribes that are bribes. Let's call them bribes because they're not thank you or something else else. They're bribes. I asked about what I heard from students at the university giving bribes to teachers for good grades she says it's all connected Ukraine's hope for or less corrupt future says must begin with education. We should teach children that corruption is not okay and any level giving one hundred minister her professor from better mark is not gay and then these children later will not vote for the corrupt officials because they will know that they have right to better life and these people don't have the right to abuse their power. In other words day today corruption normalizes a corrupt mentality and those small sins just enable the big stuff the kind of corruption committed by oligarchs politicians which is exactly what Ukrainians are trying to overcome for the world. Daniel L. Offman Kiev Ukraine for years. UNSUNG SUCI was revered. As a defender of human rights she stood up to a brutal military government in Myanmar and paid a price spending years under house arrest cheese advocacy helped her win a Nobel Peace Prize and later on election as a top government official but tomorrow she will be at the International Court of Justice in The Hague defending me and Mars army against allegations of genocide. The world's Patrick win reports. How things have changed for this one time global icon kind of human rights in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight back when Moore was still officially called Burma Emma? The country erupt. People were fed up with military room as long signs. Who would later put it? They were todd. Living under dictatorship you to ship. They were tired of been full. Todd of an afraid. These were the fires that forged Suci the icon father was a founder of the nation and she joined the uprising and Yan largest city in the country. The crowds adored her was like having the daughter of George Washington on their side but the military rulers were not willing to give of a power people were shot in the streets. Activists Hunted Down especially college students and many faced a choice in jail get killed or fleet. That's what Kin Omar did. She was a chemistry student turned. Protester are forced to escape into the jungle. I told my mother that I'll be called me three months. I had no idea how this is going to wear. This is going to lead and how how long this is going to take. That can Omar speaking. Nearly ten years ago to the Bush Institute as in George W Bush in the jungle she. She hit out with a rebel group for a while and later made it all the way to the US where she became one of the free. Burma campaigns top activists. The spiritual leader of the movement was wrong. Sign Succi who was put under house arrest by the military regime after all these. ESPN imprisoned in one house alone by herself itself. This is it's a spirit that you can. You just can't even imagine. Kin Omar Channel that spirit to the outside world and like many others. Her devotion was intense. She would pray to Buddha with two photos in front of her one of her mom one of Suci wishing them well being an asking Suci for inner strength. I knew that innocent. I do the Strand. Come from her. I hope she was. The hope was. Kin Omar was hesitant to speak to me about SUCI. Because her whole adult life if is intertwined with this icon can Omar has testified in Congress. Helped convince the US to base its whole Myanmar policy around on Succi and her promise to liberate the people of Myanmar. But she just can't do it anymore. I mean you broke my heart. My how does them my reading both in recent years the army has stormed a coastal part of the country. The homeland of a Muslim group called the Rohingya in Ja carrying out massacres and looting and rapes here. Our families sobbing as their homes are being torched these atrocities which are often supported by Buddhists to nationalist groups they were meant to purge the Rohingya out of the country into neighboring Bangladesh. Where they think the Muslims belong sounds like exactly exactly the sort of tyranny that succi has always stood against this is a person who has received the highest praise from the most powerful world leaders like Hillary Hillary Clinton someone who has represented the struggle for freedom and democracy offer human rights and opportunity? Okay surely that person has to deplore what's happening to the Rohingya Muslims right but when she's asked about this purge of more within half a million people here's how she responds. I've said that I condemn human rights everywhere and you must not forget that they have been human rights violations nations on both sides of the communal divide both sides now Suci does not control the army which allows some of her foreign admirers to cling cling to this belief that deep inside. She weeps for the Rohingya. But now we have SUCI testifying at the International Court of Justice in The Hague Eh. Defending what really looks like genocide on the wrong side of history on the wrong side of unity to me. The this this is the end. Can Omar says a while back. She went to her Buddha statue to that photo of SUCI and said it's over. She said Suci as you are no longer leading the struggle. You're just a politician was closure. She says a clear clear. Departure from the disgraced icon so to me. It's a very clear PICA people. I cried a lot. I had a long moment of Friday night night but I was able to do that. I was able to do that. Until now can Omar hasn't really discussed this pain in public not like this. I've been self-censoring. She says because in Myanmar you say anything bad about SUCCI and you hate it you will be scolded at. You'll be discredited. Discredited become small and her space has become smaller can omar runs an activist group called progressive voice but because she's spoken out about the Rohingya and other minorities her peers the other former students who faced the regime in nineteen eighty eight. They've denounced her. She's even gotten death threats from ultra-nationalists yen-mark and she says she's been blacklisted. From her home country. So now she's based right across the border and Thailand meanwhile and yang-gon the city. She wants flood there. Are these new pro SUCI values we stand with Daw Aung San Suu at the twitter video posted by Cape Diamond Immune Mar journalists. Actually Su cheese image has improved from all this at home at least because to her supporters. SUCCI is standing up to foreign forces verses that slander the country with fake news can Omar says look I get it. I know how they feel the love and adore and even like I literally can Omar is no longer a suci disciple but she still does pray wishing good leadership upon Suci right right now though she says those wishes are not coming true for the world. I'm Patrick win. When the genocide hearings get underway in The Hague this this week the Rohingya art activist? Why why new will be in the courtroom will speak with her tomorrow here on the world from the Nanna Bill Harris Studio at W.? GBH Here in Boston. And I'm Marco Werman. We'll see you back here tomorrow. The world is a CO production of W. G. B. H. Boston the BBC World Service and Pierre Ex UH.
9-26-19 What's News
"And it's time for Nicole Sandler's what's news from Nicole Sandler Dot Com and the progressive invoices network welcome to an early edition of what's News. It's early so I can be in place at nine. Am Eastern time when the acting director of National National Intelligence Joseph Maguire is due to testify before Congress about the whistleblower complaint. We'll cover today's developments on both Nicole Sandler show I heard on the progressive voices network at five eastern two Pacific and have another update as our guest host Brad Friedman's broadcast that airs at eight Eastern Five Have Pacific but here's what's happening now. The political ground quake on Wednesday when the White House released a summary of Donald Trump's July twenty fifth phone call with Ukraine President Vladimir Zielinski proving his lack of understanding about what being president actually means trump expressed disbelief that he could be impeached over this and the Democrats did this hoax during the United Nations wake was perfect because this way it takes away from this is tremendous achievements that were taking care of doing that were involved in in New York City at the United Nations. So that was all planned like everything else it was all planned and the witch hunt continues but they're getting hit hard on this witch hunt because when they look at the information. It's a joke impeachment for that. When you have a wonderful meeting or you have a wonderful phone conversation. I think you should ask we. Actually you know that was the second conversation I think you should ask for the first conversation also. I can't believe they haven't heard there's a there's a room route. They want the first conversation version but I think you should do that. I think you should do and I think you should ask for. Vp Pensions Conversation because he had a couple of conversations also I could save you a lot took their role perfect Thursday's Washington Post front-page screams trump offer justices aid for a probe of Biden and in a scathing editorial corio calls the phone conversation quote devastating indictment of the US President Donald Trump held a press conference at the UN Wednesday afternoon in which she appeared drawn dejected and defeated that in stop him from ramblings usual now wall trump was speaking members of the House and Senate Senate Intelligence Committee's. We're in skiff reading the whistleblower complaint as they emerged each one seemed more shaken by what they read than the last Chuck Chuck Schumer said he was quote even more worried after reading the document eric swallow well told Wolf Blitzer. It has quote five alarm concern adding thing. It's actually shocking that so many people saw this conduct and didn't come forward Jackie. Speier told Rachel Maddow the complaint is quote nothing short of explosive it is so much more than the summary of the telephone call that has been presented by the White House and Republican Senator Ben Sasse warned fellow Republicans that quote. They ought not to be rushing to circle the wagons given. There's obviously lots. That's very troubling. In the report. The House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff emerged from the skiffs and went right to the microphones. There was only one message that that president of Ukraine from that call all that was this is what I need. I know what you need like any Mafia boss. The president didn't need to say that's a nice country three. You haven't the ashamed of something happened to because that was clear from the conversation. There is no quid pro. Quo Necessary to betray your country four year old of office even though many read this as quick pro quo. I'm not concerned whether it is not Ukraine understood understood what this president wanted. He made it abundantly clear he made it redundantly clear had his emissaries making it clear and Ukraine knew what it needed to do if it wanted needed to get military assistance and that is help the president United States violate is over and late Wednesday afternoon came word that the whistle blower complaint has been declassified a Lincoln which we can read. It should be available Thursday morning most likely before nine. Am Eastern that's when Joseph Maguire the acting director of National Intelligence will be on Capitol Hill testifying in an open setting all the networks and all all the cable news channels. We'll be covering it. What a difference. A day makes we watched the whip count of House Democrats supporting an impeachment inquiry rose exponentially actually in the course of a day or two now virtually all news outlets reporting that the number has passed the to eighteen necessary those who've already read the the whistleblower complaints stress that the July twenty fifth phone call was just one part of a much larger and much more devastating story the New York Times reporting that quote the whistle blower identified multiple White House officials as witnesses to potential presidential misconduct who could corroborate the complaint adding that the Inspector General for the Intelligence Community Michael Atkinson interviewed witnesses and CNN reports that there's a tentative deal in in place for the whistle blower to testify on the condition that the appropriate security clearances are given for the whistle blowers attorneys to attend and that's just a bit of what's news for now. I'm Nicole Sandler for updates on this story. Be sure to tune into the Nicole Sandler show this afternoon at five five eastern two Pacific and to the broadcast which guest hosting again tonight at eight eastern five Pacific here on the progressive voices network.
10-23-19 What's News
"Invoices Network Tuesday October twenty second two thousand nineteen that's a day that a likely go down in history as the day that it's time for Nicole Sandler's what's news from Nicole Sandler Dot Com and the progress hi foreign aid to Ukraine demands at the country opened an investigation into the Biden family and the twenty sixteen election seriously contradicting bureaucrats waging war on the constitution there was no quid pro quo and quote so of course on Tuesday trump created a new distraction chief as well at the same time oral arguments are scheduled in the Second Circuit Court of Appeals this after trump's attorneys filed an appeal enjoyed that by the way is a false narrative as has been explained by legal experts left and right these depositions behind closed doors are analogous to Grand European Union ambassador Gordon Sunland told him in September that everything meaning both military aid and a meeting with trump in Washington to prevent the Manhattan District Attorney's Office from enforcing a subpoena demanding the president's tax returns but there's more at stake in this case as well Rachel charges against President trump in his report right the DOJ policy that says a president can't be charged well the judge in this case that smackdown trump for trying to say that he testifying about the facebook created crypto currency network called libra they announced in June. I'm sure there will be some other questions asked of the facebook for the three House committees investigating the impeachment inquiry over at the House Financial Services Committee facebook chairman and CEO Mark Zuckerberg is in the hot seat hours of military aid was being withheld on the condition that Ukrainian President Vladimir Zielinski commit to investigating the Barista energy company on whose memo's quote do not constitute authoritative judicial interpretation of the Constitution concerning these issues the ruling says those DOJ memos are quote flawed by is immune from any investigation also says those justice department memos shouldn't be seen as having quote substantial legal force it says Hardee's accused of a major misconduct who cannot confront the accuser call witnesses on her behalf and have the discussion in the light of the day so the public Lord Hunter Biden set as well as a conspiracy theory about alleged Ukrainian interference in the twenty sixteen election Taylor said that beauity if not outright conflicts the ruling says that in short quote the court rejects the Justice Department memos position by which the justice jury testimony after the depositions come the actual hearings which will be open to the public as they should be this is just getting started and it can he had his back including Lindsey Graham Yeah this is a lynching in every sense this is UNAMERICAN I've never seen a situation in my lifetime as a lawyer dismantles the internal memos at the Justice Department that say that the president can't be indicted memos supposedly constrained Robert Mueller from recommending and the testimony reading in part quote President Trump has done nothing wrong this is a coordinated smear campaign from far left lawmakers and radical unelected Agean Russian President Vladimir Putin in Turkish President Recep Erhtan met Tuesday to broker a deal regarding Syria's civil war and was dependent on Dolinsky making a public statement committing to order the investigations the White House issued a statement in response to itself just saying Wednesday marks the fifth day of a massive teacher strike in Chicago that's affecting around three hundred thousand students the Chicago under the agreement there will be a roughly eighteen mile safe zone on the border between Turkey and northern Syria Kurdish forces will be forced to stay south of it munity centers museums and cultural centers are offering educational programs as a school days substitute over in Syria things are as horrific as and he compared the inquiry to quote a lynching on twitter the backlash was immediate but as always a few feckless Republicans astonishingly in US Wednesday in a busy day on Capitol Hill beginning with acting assistant secretary of defense for International Security Affairs Laura Cooper testifying before a betrayal of their Kurdish allies it appears that Russia will be the Kurds new powerful protector in the region over in the UK Teacher's Union and city officials are deadlocked and blaming each other for the strike on one side the union has asked for smaller class sizes more support staff and hire raises for all educator in trump's repeated denials of a quid pro quo Taylor said that it was quote becoming clear to him as early as July that nearly four hundred million dollars ride the administration promising to help protect us against a rogue corrupt Trumpian White House well that same anonymous trump aide has now written a noble is on trial for allegedly misleading investors about the potential impact of climate change regulations on its operations the New York attorney but wait there's more Rudy Giuliani's associates lev partners eager fruman are also expected in court Wednesday for an arraignment on campaign general brought to suit against the company and claims the alleged fraud may have cost investors one point six billion dollars the suit alleges Exxon Mobil calculated specifically that this ruling rejects the position that a president can't be criminally charged while in office that whole idea that we have the president can't be indicted that comes from the someone who purported to be a trump aide working inside the White House writing extensively to assure us that he or she is one of a number of quote resistors inside the Russian military police in Turkish military patrolling the line not included in this negotiation is the United States this whole incident made it clear that tell all book about his or her time in the White House it's going to come out November nineteenth less than a month away a few thoughts though if this personal ledges key and Russia are not interested including the US in plans regarding serious future furthermore after the recent withdrawal of US troops from the area signaled what many calls public school buildings remain open and staffed by nonunion workers the Chicago Transit Authority is also giving free rides to students during the day and auto explains this ruling against trump that is being appealed not only smacks down the president for this incredible executive overreach in terms of what he says he can get away with it.
Why does Ukraine need US military aid money?
"Newly released whistleblower complaints as president trump's actions pose risks a US US national security a former US ambassador to NATO ways in Richard Nixon had to resign in disgrace never did anything close to this. No President Anti Lifetime has ever crossed the line. The president trump crossed on Ukraine. That's why he needs to be impeached. Also France says goodbye to their leader who opposed oppose the invasion of Iraq from French President Jacques Chirac died today at the age of eighty six and all you labrador owners out there close your ears in three to to Pandora box and released a Frankenstein Monster. The man who bred the Labrador lives a life of regret. I'm Marco Werman those stories and much more today around the world. I'm Marco Werman. This is the world world the whistle blower. Train is rolling down the tracks. Today we saw the release of the complaint the eight-page charge written by someone whose name we don't know about president trump's dealings with Ukraine's new President Vladimir Zielinski the whistle blower accuses President Trump in the document of asking Zielinski to help dig up dirt on Democratic Doc Presidential Frontrunner Joe Biden. The report also says that the White House tried to lock down records of the phone call between trump and Zilenski. Today's hearing on Capitol Title Hill was mostly about procedure lasted all morning and went deep into technical legal matters Joseph Maguire. The acting director of National Intelligence was at the center of it all Democrat Adam Schiff. The committee chair asked McGuire why he didn't deliver the whistleblower complaint I to Congress as he's legally supposed to. I'm just trying to send the chronology you I went to the office legal counsel and then you went to the White House counsel no Sir no Sir. No we went to the we went to the White House I to determine to ask. That's all I wanted to Cornell. She went to the White House I so you went to the subject of the complaint for Advice I about whether you should provide the complaint Congress. There were issues just within this a couple of things one. It did appear that. Maguire argued that he gave it to the White House. I over concerns about executive privilege. The top Republican on the committee Devin Nunes repeatedly called today's hearing a charade welcome Mr Director so pleasure to have you here and you're going to be part of charade of legal word games as for the actual eight-page whistleblower reported went straight to the point stating that the actions so the president quote pose risks to US National Security Nicholas Burns is the former US ambassador to NATO and to Greece he also worked on the National Security Council at the White White House under President Clinton Ambassador Burns Democrats are saying president trump should be impeached. Protect National Security Republicans are saying we cannot impeach in order to protect national security so outlined for us the main national security liabilities for us right now while the president now has taken a step that no other president in our lifetimes times is done. He has openly transparently asked a foreign government to interfere in our democracy and in our election. That is an abuse abuse of the president's power under the constitution. It's going to have repercussions obviously here in the United States but it's GonNa have major implications for the United States overseas. It's turned American foreign policy and its head because for the last eight years every president of both parties has seen Germany and France and Britain and Japan as our fundamental allies in the world in global politics. Today we need those allies on a thousand different issues from climate change to sanctioning Iran and the constant attacks our democratic allies have really hurt the United States and I think this week's event compound this problem that the president of the United States is not trusted by our closest allies in the world in Europe and the Far East. Did you support the idea of impeachment before this week I did not. I'm an opponent the president trump. I thought that this had to be settled at the ballot box. In November twenty twenty by the American people and I was hoping the American people about in my office but after the publication by the White House of this conversation between President Trump and presidents Alinsky speaker Pelosi had no choice the president abused his power our crossed a line that Noel president across she had to move towards impeachment and I changed my mind I think the impeachment should precede the president should be removed from office by the Senate well impeachment proceedings. It's an inquiry right now. They don't happen overnight. this could take months. How how will national security be impacted in the meantime as these proceedings seatings play out like what won't be taken care of well obviously the president and his close advisors are completely distracted by the domestic crisis here at home. the the great thing the United States the silver lining is that we have a highly professional military we have a highly professional nonpartisan State Department in two hundred and eighty eight embassies in consulates around the world but you're right that the President Nar system has substantial already for foreign affairs as opposed the legislative branch and I think the president's going to be distracted and that's going to harm the United States Nick. You and I have discussed a lot on the show about how the Department Department of State and diplomacy have really gotten atrophied under trump you. You really believe we're going to be okay. The State Department and the State Department has been grievously harmed by this administration the president this has tried to cut their budget by a third the Congress has refused that fortunately the president has not appointed. senior Foreign Service officers career diplomats to high level. Oh positions and you saw in this conversation that president trump had with presidents Alinsky in July that the president was very critical of a great American Ambassador Ambassador Masha Russia. You're GONNA Bitch who the president kicked out of Ukraine withdrew her early and try to humiliate her because she was standing up for our values and against corruption and I think the State Department needs to defend her and all of us who know her and I know her. Well need to defend her honour that the president and Presidents Presidents Alinsky tried to diminish the conversation they had so I think morale is at a very low point in the State Department and Mirko. It's interesting the oath that we take as career foreign service officers. Military officers is not to the president. The oath is to the constitution. That's been the oath that every American government officials taken Sabine Eighty nine. You can be sure that the men and women of our federal government are GonNa uphold the constitution and try to do their best at this extraordinarily unusual time it our national politics so the declassification of this conversation memorandum the transcript was not stored in the computer computer system normally used for such information was stored in a separate system according to the whistleblower complaint to the system that was used historic classified information of an especially sensitive nature why is such a big deal. Obviously you WANNA protect presidential communications and records of the prejudice conversations but there are certain number of people who need to see them in order to do their jobs and represent the president and so it's very important that there'd be a system in there has been vista for decades that allows people to to do their jobs at a high level. It looks now from this whistle blowers report that the president and his aides concocted assistant to hide his conversations from the most senior leaders of our own government. How does the Mira Lisa this memorandum threaten national security. It indicates that the president of the United States states is willing to bring a foreign government directly into our political system that harms the national security of the United States how the trump the White House and the President himself thought that this conversation released to the American public would exonerate him is really beyond reason Richard Nixon Nixon who had to resign in disgrace never did anything close to this. No President in our lifetime has ever crossed the line. The president trump crossed on in Ukraine. That's why he needs to be impeached. Does the existence of a whistle blower who sees a a moral imperative to write and releases compliant. Does that give you hope because they are. After all whistle blower well that's right and the whistle blower law was established for this kind of situation when honest hardworking people the government see something that they believe is either irregular or harmful to national security or illegal and they speak up and their jobs are protected. It's an extraordinary thing to be able to that. This document is out in public. I think it's good for our democracy and good for people to know that we have honest patriotic people working. The government in this administration is flouted the rule of law. If national security is damaged by all of this. How will Americans daily lives impacted. Do you think if the president of the United States cannot be trusted if his word cannot be trusted by our closest allies than the the security charity of all of us is affected three hundred twenty six million Americans. That's what's at stake in this political drama this week. Nick Burns is a former. US Ambassador Tornado in Greece now at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government Ambassador. Thank you very much thank you marco the ambassador there with a view from the US earlier this week we heard from several people in Ukraine. Russia also has a lot of interest in all this remember the US is providing military aid to Ukraine to thwart Russia. The world's Charles Charles Maine's joins us from Moscow. What is your sense of the reaction in Russia to trump's latest scandal involving Ukraine. You get the sense that there's really one main thread. which is that that the Democrats or the establishment? If you like couldn't get trump on Russia gate the scandal involving the Muller report consumed Washington over the last two years and having failed to do that they're out to destroy now the president through Ukraine Gate and that may sound familiar because it's very similar to what Donald Trump to argue and I think just to Russians. It certainly plays to the sense that you hear a lot here that the US political system is absolutely corrupt. It's nothing for the Russian people to admire or want to emulate and that also extends to not wanting to emulate relate Ukraine you know ever since Street Revolution here in twenty fourteen Russian media love stories that make Ukraine look weak or corrupt or painted as kind of a puppet state of the US us and this idea that Ukraine doesn't have sovereignty over its own affairs or decision making and that even applies to this young president of a Lotta Mirrors Alinsky this comedian turn turn populist who's been something Darlene in the Western media and he certainly doesn't look that great from these transcripts that came out the other day either have Russian media actually started calling knowing Ukraine Gate when you've seen it from some politicians today we had the Kremlin spokesman in fact way in saying that this was an internal affair of the US nothing for the Kremlin to comment on this is is pretty standard for them. It's what they always say. but lawmakers here much more pointed they say this is about the establishment using whatever weapons they have to destroy. Donald Trump from draining the swamp poor trying to break the industrial military complex in this case arm sales to Ukraine's. Yes Ukraine Gate in Donald Trump's press conference yesterday your day with Vladimir Zielinski on trump mentioned that negotiations between Russia and Ukraine regarding the war in the east of Ukraine are going well. Do you think that's accurate well. It's not quite that they're certainly hopeful. Sign early this month. We saw a prisoner exchange between the two sides as Alinsky his made ending the war and the Dumbass in east Ukraine a key goal of his time in office. He says only stay in for one term and the fact that Russian President Vladimir Putin stuck to the deal was considered a good sign by many. There's been some discussions of more prisoner exchanges and trying to rebuild efforts to continue peace talks between Russia Ukraine Germany and France the so-called Quartet but on the other hand. They're all these intractable parts of the relationship you know. Russia seized Crimea from Ukraine five years ago. It says it has no intentions of giving it back so it's hard to see how they get beyond that so now members of Congress are trying to launch impeachment inquiry. Have you heard any talk about how this might affect Russia. No I think mostly they're kind of doing the political math here which changes that you know the chances of passing through Congress are pretty high but then there's the problems with the Senate but more importantly I think they have this sense that Washington will be tied up in knots for months over this and not a a lot is going to happen with the US Russian relationship. This goes back to some of the attitudes towards trump that were here during the election season. This hope that somehow donald trump could reset the Russian. US relationship and I think even with what you're seeing now in Washington. There's a sense that trump was never able to implement the programs he wanted that this was the establishment the deep state which is preventing nineteen the US from pursuing the goals had trump says he wants to proceed with Russia which is good relationship then uptick in cooperation on issues like nuclear proliferation and on terrorism but again. I I think the idea that Washington will be paralyzed by these hearings and then of course the presidential elections coming up you know that may not be the worst thing at all for us rivals like Russia or China It gives him room to pursue their own goals. The world's Charles Means in Moscow Charles. Thanks for the perspective from Russia. Thank you mark coming up. We explore one of Mexico's his recent tragedies and mysteries five years on the disappearance of forty three Mexican college students remains unsolved. A report is fight to hold people accountable. That's ahead here on the world. I'm Marco Werman and you're with the world on walls across Mexico. You can still find large painted murals with number forty three five years after forty three college students disappeared in the southern state of good ato the students had commandeered a bus plus to attend a protest that protests itself was to commemorate the infamous massacre in nineteen sixty eight of a group of students in Mexico City but the forty three students on the the bus were reportedly intercepted by police and then they vanished as Emily Green reports from Mexico City. Their disappearance remains a grim unsolved mystery in the country entree. Cardamon Mendoza is wearing a t shirt with a big service and hot. Hey Annabelle crus- Mendoza. It's been five years since he saw him five years since she received achieved a text from him at one sixteen in the morning asking her to add credit to his phone that it was urgent but Mendoza didn't get scared until the next day winner nephew called he went to the same college as your son meet pretty easily right on police bail. Thank you love 'em aside Palladio's. Her nephews had the police detained her son but to stay calm as the day by though Mendoza worried in into the college where the police still didn't know where well her son was or his fellow students all forty three of them hit with rather no-one parapet. Idris got the world told she remembers thinking. If they'd been kidnapped they would have called for help by now you know sending Molly's goals in commits man with an eight days past. She says she imagined her son and his classmates in the countryside with no food eventually Mexico's Texaco's Attorney General announced the results of the government's investigation looked at the conference units kimmel recovery really south up wounded Mulan. I'm in Dublin. He concluded that the local mayor had ordered the police to detain the students so they wouldn't disrupt a political rally. The police then turned the students over to a local cartel who burned the bodies dumped the ashes and a river the attorney general called the results quote the historic truth in a country where extreme leaned violence has left tens of thousands of people disappeared protests erupted over the forty three missing students but even the government's grim version of events soon came under attack independent investigators say a more likely likely scenario is that security forces attacked the students because they had unknowingly commandeered a bus with a heroin shipment headed to the US the investigators they also say there is no evidence that the students had been burned and to this day. It's unclear where the students were taken. Santiago Aguirre is a lawyer for the families of the disappeared students. Love System of idea says the case shows a broken justice system then adding frustration over the case news broke that the administration of former president in the League opinion yet though spied on investigators brought in to probe the case agaist. Eh the lawyer was among those spied on year literally nausea. There're no this gladys here. There's a local permanent Mona. Mary says so so many unresolved questions around this case stains Mexico's image while the opinion yet though administration never located the students it did bring Ford Ford some suspects but even that's unraveling this month. Government officials released a prime suspect because they said there wasn't enough evidence to hold him. The suspect. A drug cartel leader allegedly masterminded the crime because he mistakenly believed the students were part of a rival cartel. Mexico's current president unrest Manuel Lopez open a door criticized the decision to release with fastback suggesting that local prosecutors are taking part in the cover up but I I love these yet. We're literally. I believe the president said he would complain to the Attorney General's office about the suspects release but just weeks later a judge ordered the further release of twenty. Four police officers also arrested in the case. The judge said the suspects had been tortured even so the decision to let them free infuriated Mexico's undersecretary of Human Rights Alejandro Encinas border. It's a joke of justice and says these this decision to encourage silence complicity in impunity for the most part the investigation into the disappearance of the students is starting from scratch and the parents of the disappeared students are angry like Christina Battista ECHINACEA buzzer. Go on us the COPA. We'll go beyond the billionaire. She says it's been five years of suffering all because a former president enrique opinion yet though he told us nothing but lies she says since the disappearance of San Been Haemeen Bautista has moved to the rural town where he went to school in hopes that he will be returned to her. He was nineteen eighteen when he disappeared but he was the mosquitoes he was his time was particularly. Let's policies for me and all the mothers we we say that our sons are alive because the government took them. The police took them. They just don't say where she's hopeful. That President Lopez will fulfill his promise to find the missing students spit of someone suitable scandalous. Thank God he wasn't as Uvira Games. We will keep looking until we find our children about these says because they were taken alive and we want them alive for the world. Emily Green Nexico city. There are still so many any questions about what exactly happened in Mexico five years ago Mexican Journalists Annabel Hernandez has spent that time on her own investigation. She can't say where the students are Arba. She says she has figured out who was involved who actually kidnapped and potentially kill the students it has to do with tight relationship between the Mexican military and a drug cartel. Hernandez says yes students had gotten onto buses also on the bus heroin from a local cartel heading north to the US the students new nothing about that when the head of the cartel heard that people were on the same buses. He immediately turned to the army to get his drugs back. Hernandez believes this led to a coordinated cordinated attack by the military and other security forces like state police. She also believes the army thought the students had seen too much. They were worry about our. Maybe these students are understanding what we are doing and that's why they decide to disappear. Hernandez is investigations years of countless interviews and scouring documents shows that the students were likely split up and taken to several different locations but if they were then killed where where are the bodies so the problem is that no one knows where the bodies this is the point. No one knows where the bodies now of course does the military and the people people got participate in the disappearance of course they have to know but they're not telling anyone what they know or what they don't know. The Mexican army has refused to allow the the inter-american Commission on Human Rights to interrogate anyone who was there that night and what's especially frustrating to Hernandez is that she knows exactly what their names. Dr Steven published their names in her book a massacre in Mexico despite her relentless work gale publishing the names of government officials potentially involved loved in a kidnapping and murder is obviously a serious risk. Hernandez says she was attacked and had to leave Mexico. She currently lives in exile. Mexico's new president resident Andres Manuel Lopez Ober doors moving to prosecute government officials who refused to to investigate the crime Annabel Hernandez says that is a start but what she really wants is is for the people who committed the crime to go to jail. I mean either no what are they waiting for but calling out government corruption and stamping it out. Those are two two very different things. You're with the world. The the woman who started Francis Metoo movement called out a man for harassment. I never want you to be known. I never realized the consequences theanswer no but I felt I didn't have choice because nobody wants to hear me. The man Sued for defamation and now she has to pay that's coming up here on the world world. I'm Marco Werman you're with the world where a CO production of the BBC World Service W. G. B. H. Boston. PRI ARAYA NPR X. Typically this is a Newsweek we look forward to allot here at our program world leaders gathered at the United Nations General Assembly in New York as they they do every September and we get a chance to geek out about diplomacy a big question many were asking the session would officials from the US and Iran meat or would there be some hallway shuttle diplomacy between the two countries attempts to broker a meeting on the sidelines at the UN between President Trump and Iran's president Hassan Ruini collapse elapse though trump is dealing with other matters in New York today the Iranian president at a Solo press conference spoke through translator. They keep saying that we wish to to speak to your aunt. We have no problem talking or negotiating but we Barton willing with the existence of preconditions to enter into talks. The preconditions Sion's refer to economic sanctions imposed by the US government on Iran Brian. Hook is a State Department special representative for Ron. I asked him if he'd reached out to any members of the Iranian delegation during his stay in New York this week. No this is something which were very much focused on our diplomacy here. The president and the Secretary Trey of state have made clear many times that we are open to a meeting with the Iranians but the Iranians continue to say no the since one gets from the White House and it's not just meeting President Ruhani. There's a sense that an audience with President trump is an honor that may be the case with Kim Jong UN who's been isolated from the world. Oh for so long but the sense one gets from the Iranians sitting down with trump would be a political liability in the eyes of many Iranian people. How do you square that circle well. That's really a question for the Iranians. The Iranians face a choice they can either accept the diplomatic off ramp that we have been offering for many years or they can watch their economy continue to collapse. They're already in a deep recession. I mean Iran would say the sanctions are choking them. France's president macron suggesting suggesting economic incentives for Iran to re-embrace nuclear idea can Iran divide the US from its European allies over the nuclear deal. I think quite the opposite now that you have the the United Kingdom France and Germany all demanding that Iran enter into negotiations to address its threats to peace and security which include it's missile proliferation and I think as the French foreign minister said the Iranian attacks on Saudi Arabia are a game changer. I mean we all know what's at stake here. With the standoff. Iran's president president to Ruhani warned this week that a single blunder could fuel a big fire in the region and Saudi Arabia's foreign minister told BBC colleague leads to set this week that appeasement has not worked in response to Iran and a military response was possible. I mean how worried are you about the possibility of stumbling into war if there is a blunder it is something that will be committed by Iran because it has a regime that uses terrorism as a tool of statecraft and this is one of the many things that the regime Zhang has got to stop doing they engage in extortion like tactics like any regular mafia does and we are denying them that and I think here in in New York at the UN General Assembly we have seen an increasing frustration by diplomats with Foreign Ministers Reef who continues to lie about the attacks tax on Saudi Arabia. He's losing credibility and the international community is losing patience so given the really heated politics in Washington this week. How how are you gonNA make progress on. Iran policy going forward. We hope that at some point pragmatism will prevail in Tehran. It has happened before the regime gene does respond positively to pressure. We've seen this many times over the last forty year history of this regime yet but it sounds like a big hope won't all foreign policy. I see from the US. Take a back seat. If this nation is focused on congressional hearings and isn't that frustrating for you we have been able to conduct our diplomacy here without any interruption. It doesn't sound like that it sounds like that there have really been no efforts made to reach out to the Iranians we have made that very clear many times over two and a half years president trump and secretary pompeo said repeatedly that they would meet with the Iranians. The Iranians are not meeting our diplomacy with diplomacy. They are meeting with military force yes but you've just explained that you really didn't make any efforts to reach out to the Iranians in New York so where is the diplomacy on the US side. I think you're confusing a couple a couple of things we have made it clear publicly that we are ready to meet with the Iranians. The Iranians are rejecting that diplomatic off ramp. We have done everything weekend diplomatically to create the conditions for a better path but Iran is choosing the wrong path. Do you think your engine officials are just playing out the clock or they thinking taking well. There's a new president elect and twenty twenty. What's the incentive to cut a deal now. I think that's a good question. Our assessment is that Iran is gambling that their resistance is greater than our economic pressure. I would say this week at the. UN marked a turning point Iran crossed the line by attacking Saudi Arabia they are going to be increasingly diplomatically isolated and it's going to become a very untenable thing for them so I expect to see Saudi Arabia ask the UN Security Council to take action in response to the attacks against Saudi and I think we're GONNA see a lot of countries increasingly comfortable with holding run to a higher standard. You don't think the Security Council would say well you know the United States walked out of this deal that the the five partners agreed on. How do we say go ahead and bomb bomb? Iran that is not what we said. That is not our position. We do know that being outside of the Iran deal increases the odds that we are going to be able to accomplish our longer term objective of denying Iran from ever getting a nuclear weapon. UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson said that the Iran nuclear here is a bad deal with many many defects we have been saying this for over two and a half years and we are very pleased to see our European allies agree with US Brian Hook the State Department special representative for Iran speaking to us from the sidelines of the UN General Assembly in New York. Thank you very much. Thanks for having me on in France former president. Jacques Chirac died this morning. At the age of eighty six Chirac was France's second longest serving president. He held the post from nineteen ninety five to two thousand seven. Americans may remember him most for refusing to join the US led coalition of the willing which invaded Iraq in two thousand three. Here's Chirac in March of that year. Nouveau plays on old Iraq. Today does not represent an immediate threat that would justify an immediate resort to war Frans calls upon everyone to preserve the unity of the Security Council could legality at Lsu announced wise Chirac's decision to stay out of that war was a a popular one with the French Jura. Our was a French ambassador to Israel under Sharak. Allah was also the French Ambassador to the United States. He told us how people in France are remembering today. She be neurons for forty years. He was elected icing member of the parliament's in sixty seven and you was president to seven so oh I think the French Seahawk as the embodiment of their own youth you know there is a sort of Dostal jogs past and she is this past but don't talk of that. He was a campaigner. He was elected by in a sense the most own constituency in France. You know we have a ritual fe. They are in France every year yours window to spend hours. Indus fair tasting order cheese backing all the cows. It's also aw France so we should explain Sodo Nostalgia. I should say of the public opinion right now. People in the United States may know Chirac best for his strong opposition to the Iraq war which led to a pretty uncommon falling out between Washington Paris especially Republicans in Washington pretty dramatic stuff with French fries symbolically substituted for Freedom fries. What were the most dramatic moments that you recall. I think a lot of comments about the fact that is twelve two years of course he didn't see was a waste of time for France because you don't reform the country but I think everybody will remember him because that is he said no to a criminal and stupid invasion of your product so a you know maybe to every man every ah your men being as a moment in these lives and I think that was the moment off Jackson. Hawke e Waugh's this moment the voice of reason uh-huh and also the voice of morality against the Hubris of the Americans and the village of the countries which were supporting the US Chirac was known for his temper. Did you experience any of that for ten L. E. E. had these outbursts of temper in Jerusalem. LMU Nine hundred visiting or city and you fail to that he was totally lost by the security and in front of all the TV. Lee said if you don't stop I'm driving to the airport and I'm leaving the country but basically I e was courtiers guy. it was aww for next year and so again now. Yano assault of a wave of nostalgia in France because of the past but I think what we remain I said Iraq second point but he was the first one to organize that actually joined the Second World War. It was not vichy. Willie ooh persecuted the Jews it was France. You look don't sponsor leaky also our country indie spirit. there was a taboo into French story the end and that's also something that we will remember yeah. I mean that acknowledgement in one thousand nine hundred five of Francis collaboration with its German occupiers it may not really felt like a sincere returned to Labor Day Guide fraternity but now in this post brexit world. His vision seems to be crumbling in some respects. How do you think the colors his legacy. He left a power in two thousand and seven and he was born in one thousand nine hundred ninety two so it's already a new world. That's actually Salihi. You wouldn't understand the book series to wave for instance. He was very strong against far-right even if he was himself conservative but obviously view sleet. A political debate does dramatically changed again. Let's not try to make prophet. actually like was not a perfect. He was a conservative conservative. You was rooted in Old France France off as I've said France on the farmers of the cows and goat eason in a sense. We are enjoying a new world. We definitely not ease World Juror Arrow the former French ambassador to the United States. Thank you for helping us remember Jacques Iraq today. Thank you very much. bye-bye the METOO movement in France is called Ben Allstone Paul literally throw out your pig but French slang for report your pervert a couple of years ago. We spoke with creator of that French Hashtag Sandra Muehler. She said a former media executive had harassed her. If out was a piece of stake saw piece of I don't know a piece of meat. You know I'm not I'm just a woman muller was inspired by the Metoo movement here in the US. She tweeted no doubt Hashtag battle allstone Pau along with the name of her harasser. Eric Brianna Brianna sued Muller for defamation and this week he won. I ask Syndrome Mueller how she's been coming to terms with the verdict. I'm okay I'm okay. I'm strong so if I'm not okay I won't tell you I'm not okay but I need to be okay so I am when the verdict came out yesterday you said that you may have lost the defamation case but that other women had one explained yeah and I repeat data it's not because I lost a case now but don't forget that I have to appeal the case so it's not over now and and this movement out the overall woman to speak I mean how surprised are you that we're seeing this kind of consequence for sharing your story. Are we on sexual harassment. Are you surprised yeah. The consequences is I'm finishing. I think I don't deserve that because I didn't lie. I told the truth like a lot of victims and the price is really heavy because you know if the price is twenty thousand it a lot and I'm not like a rich gone to rich woman. I'm Emma Singer Monitor and I think the court identity car. They didn't make any investigation about how high all money I make. It's totally unfair and I don't know what to tell you. I'm not real one percent myself so there will the court essentially sided with your Harasser why do you I think people should take your side and not his. I never wanted to be known. I never realized how the consequences you know that that I felt. I did not have choice because nobody wants you to hear me. Did you want him to apologize to you. When you're next to me I tweet you too. Okay you apologize. It's okay we can turn the page now. We can go to another buroric unhappy apologize. That's finished. That's over and issuing me so do you think Erie Apologize. If you could go back and change things. Would you do it. No why you would make them again the the wild. I used really strong but it's the way I am and I won't change anything. Why because the way he acted to me to tell me what you told me Y'all might apple woman. You have big braced. I I'm GonNa make you all the night gio think is appropriate. Gio Sink. We can always be quite and not speak about that and keep smiling. No I'm I'm sorry and now it's like Ereste me once when he had this an appropriate words yet. Thank me a single time when he put me in trial and now one so is like I was arrested three times so I think I use the good work you know we were just talking about the the late Jacques Chirac who represented really a different time in France when balanced Paul would not likely have been taken very seriously where is France at today in this respect because the verdict in your case suggests that maybe the clock is turning back. No I think you know my government and friends. They try to make a challenge inch. They want to fight. They're really honestly read genetic on the subject but it will take time. Sandra Miller is the creator of the balanced John Paul Hashtag Francis version of Hashtag METOO MS molar. Thanks very much for speaking with us again. Thank you Michael. I want to tell you about a man named wally. Conran Conran is ninety years old. He lives alone in a one room flat in Australia and he says he has a lot of time to reflect on his life's biggest regret Avenue Pandora box and released a Frankenstein Monster. Conran is the inventor of elaborate doodle that mop headed lab poodle mix that kicked off the designer dog raise that we are very much in the middle of Conran told his dark tale last week to the Australian Broadcasting Corporation's podcast some of all parts enhanced this podcast see music. It all started in the nineteen eighties when Konon was a breeder of guide. Dogs Victoria Australia one day company got a request from a woman in Hawaii. She was blind but her husband was alleged to God and she wanted to know if we could come up with a dog that she could use as a a dog and a husband wouldn't be alleged. Conman got to work at first. I thought this'll be a piece of cake. The Standard Poodle would do the job. I hope it's a good working. Dog has a non shedding coat. I ever the three years are trod thirty three standard standard poodles but not one successful so conroy and decided to go a different route he said about breeding an entirely new kind of dog across between a Labrador Labrador retriever the typical breed guide dogs and a poodle nine weeks later the first three Labra doodles were born shake Simon and Sultan we sent they clippings of the coat and the saliva to Hawaii. There was only one in the litter out of the three that husband a husband wasn't a neck was assaulted and fortunately he trained up and he finished up going to Hawaii which was right. The problem was no one would take the other two puffs customers only wanted purebreds. That's when Conran had the idea that would one day come back to haunt him. So I went to light you know said. Can you get onto the media and tell them wave braid. A special braid a braid cold the labrador it'll it's non allegic and using them as gods dogs ate was a gimmick crossbreed. Nobody wanted them but everybody wanted to. Labrador laboratories became a worldwide sensation celebrities like Jennifer Aniston and Tiger Woods have owned them. Barack Obama consider getting one conran actually wrote Obama letter trying to talk him out of it. The problem connor and says is that the demand created a market for unscrupulous breeders and now he says Labra doodles have genetic etiquette issues when I'm at and I see these labradors. I can't help myself I I'VE IN MON MON and look down inside anything to the papal. I look at it thinking display got problems as any other problems can say fund fund that the biggest majority aretha crazy or having an hereditary problems labrador lovers. Might I beg to differ but that's no comfort to the guy who started the craze unleashing Frankenstein's monster or your very best friend tonight. Geneva is going dark. The Swiss city is turning off its streetlights. The events being dubbed Lanoue a bell. The night is Beautiful Eric Oscars president of the Geneva astronomy. Let Me Society so why is Geneva doing this Eric Geneva's doing this because during the last four years the BUSCA Moslo Week Radon biologist at the national Biological Museum of Geneva and I gave thirty five conference in for your about light pollution and and the progressively we noticed that in the population people were quite sensitive to the biodiversity and also people were trying to see again the stars and we experimented in cities five of them Iran Geneva experiment where we switched off the light at night and the people were very until yesterday and we propose to have larger experience experience and today hundred fifty cities will switch off the light in Switzerland and in France so it's across the Boehner to earl the people to sit immunity okay so let's talk about light pollution for a moment because it's obviously a problem for astronomers like yourself but for everybody including astronomers. Why is it a problem in terms of biodiversity and how big of an issue is it in cities the light of course trade struggle for us because when you could light at night you don't see the styles thousand disappearing and for biology when you put the light at night in fact you put lights on animals that are normally invisible and and therefore it can be eaten and you change the law of nature in doing so and for human beings if we are exposed to too much light we tend to go to bed and later than we should to have a normal reason we should have extremely bright light during the daytime and respond darkness during the night and that helped. I to synchronize the body clock so you calling this event we bell the night is beautiful on one hand. There's a scientific basis for this lights out evening but the the title the night is beautiful. I mean that's kind of an artistic way of approaching it. Why'd you choose that title than we Abell. We thought about the experience we had. We the people in the cities where we switched off the light and we saw that variances yes. Did you see the sky thinking about doing the same project but at the largest tailing the story Tater we we saw that let's shows a date on the calendar where the Milky Way goes across the sky like an arch and so that the night we'd be beautiful so I'm assuming there's a new moon tonight in other words there won't be any moon out and you won't have that light to interfere with the milky way the dates west chosen close to the Newman because when you have the full Monja of the light of the moon is in fact reducing the contrast in the sky and you see less styles and we have selected a date so that the stars will be they bright. What are you really really hoping people see when they look in the night sky. The hope behind is is to as a human beings were coming from universe because our body the or autonomous we know where made installs that blasted in the past and atoms came back again to form the year off and ourselves so I will body body everything we see is just stardust and seeing the style again to see our roots and to give people the wish to see mall the style because light pollution has most increased around hundred percent over the past twenty years and we of this event is all the cities in the world then thinking about London. I'm in New York that they could do such event or so to show their population how the sky is beautiful and how the night is. Beautiful Eric Ashkar the president of the Geneva Astronomy Society Eric where some six hours ahead of you so I sincerely wish you a good night with clear skies all the best. Thank you very much in use ooh Bald in March one by one from Banana Bill Harra or a studio at W. G. B. H. in Boston Marco Werman. 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Donald Trump I'm ZAC wolf senior writer at CNN and the publisher of CNN's Impeachment Watch newsletter. which you can subscribe to due at CNN dot com slash impeachment? Today I'm pinch hitting for the regular host of this podcast David Challen and a note were recording this in the afternoon noon. So we've already heard testimony this morning from Lieutenant. Colonel Alexander Vin men from the National Security Council Jennifer Williams State Department employees on detail to Vice President Mike Pence but we're still anticipating the public hearings of Kurt Volker. He's the former special envoy for Ukraine and Tim Morrison Morrison vitamins boss at the National Security Council at the time. Luckily I have to stellar guests to help me through all the revelations emerging from this consequential day in a few minutes we'll be talking to David Sanger political and national security analyst and national security correspondent at the New York Times but I I'm joined by my colleagues CNN national security reporter Kylie Atwood. Welcome back to the PODCAST Kylie. Thanks so we've just heard from Jennifer Williams and Lieutenant Colonel Alexander van men. I think he was probably the to the more anticipated of the Witnesses but they are both people who were on the call and by the call. All I mean the call on July twenty fifth between the Ukrainian President Vladimir Zielinski and President Donald Trump. So what did you take. Take away from this morning session where we finally heard from people who listened in in real time to what president trump said the president Celeski. Yeah so they were both on the call and we now have them speaking to the public about what they heard and the bottom line is they both had concerns about what happened on that call and and as as we have all talked about repeatedly at length president trump did ask presidents lunch. Do him a favor and to investigate the Biden's on that call and so however one thing is that Jennifer Williams who works in the vice president's office Didn't actually raise her concerns to the lawyers at the National Security Council at the White House but Colonel Lieutenant Colonel Vin men who is at the NFC at the National Security Council. He said that he did raise concerns about that call and so he was a bit more full-throated in how concerned he was about what had went down He called it inappropriate and improper improper for the president to making a request for Ukraine to investigate a US citizen that being a President Vice President Biden at the time but He also said however that you know there were political implications with the ask that was being made and there were concerns at the White House about leaking out Just because of how political in nature it would be viewed. And I think it's important to know the Jennifer Williams She also thought thought that the call had political undertones to it because of the nature that president trump was asking about something that had to do with his political rival and not something that was consistent with. US policy towards Ukraine. But she didn't raise any concerns about it whatsoever really. She said she thought it was unusual. That there was this political so You know politicalness underneath it. But she didn't like then went to the National Security Council. Lawyer she basically Put it into a binder To give depends before he was gonna meet with Zielinski and that would that was about it. Yeah and she couldn't even say if the vice president had seen Those notes that she put into the binder. She wasn't aware aware of that. But as I said Lieutenant Colonel Vin men Went even further and he said that it was actually something that would be viewed as a demand by hi the Ukrainians and he was pushed on that because the language that the That president trump uses in the calls that he's asking for a favor and so they asked Lieutenant Colonel Vitamin why he would see it as a demand and that's when he spoke about kind of power disparity between trump and Zilenski and he also spoke about the fact that in military culture when a senior asks you to do something it's taken as in order and that was his interpretation Shen of the ask that vice that president trump was making a presence Lonski. This is a really good point and we have so we can. We can play a little sound of him Driving this point I went home. I think it's important to hear him say chairman culture. I come from the military culture when a senior asks you to do something even if it's play in pleasant it's it's not. It's not to be taking as request. It's B it's to be taken an order in this case the power disparity between the two leaders. My impression is that in order to get the White House meeting presidents alinsky would have to deliver. Are these investigations. This is a military guy. Donald Trump is not a military guy. You could sort of hear the wheels turning and Republicans heads maybe commander and chief. You sure he's the community. Ah but a civilian and so when he has ruined Donald Trump asked for a favor. Maybe he means it maybe he doesn't. This isn't pressure is at the end of the story and the Republicans did actually bring up that exact point you know they. They asked Vitamin is it appropriate to cast this expectation on president trump. Because he hasn't served served in the military and vitamin didn't have an exact response for that but he stood by his assessment. And that's really important here and the other thing that Vinnie Vinnie did was paint this picture for us of a moment at the White House in July when July tenth. That's right when the US ambassador to the U.. Gordon Sunland came out to Ukrainians and asked for specific investigations at the White House and it was a really incredible incredible moment to hear him describe because he talked about Ukrainian officials seeing discord among White House officials. Now it's no secret to you and I to to anyone who has covered a White House that there's always discord competition amongst. US officials to see that on display in front of the Ukrainians was really something something that was very very significant especially for vitamin and he also disagreed with what ambassador saw lynn was asking of the Ukrainians Dan and he told Ambassador Song then he told lawmakers this today that Ambassador Song that he told him bathroom stall and it was inappropriate and that his asks had nothing to to do with national security. We've now heard a couple of different You know versions of this July tenth meeting. It's turning out to be one of the more important moments and I it will be really interesting to see what Gordon Sunland says when he gets his turn To talk on Wednesday for so many reasons but this is one of them okay Kylie. We're just scratching the surface here. We've got a lot more to discuss. Plus we'll bring in Pulitzer Prize winner. 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Great to be here with Kylie One of the things that I think people will remember from in this hearing with vitamin in particular is how he is portraying himself you know and beyond reproach as a patriot. He's somebody who fled the Soviet the union with his father to the United States and I thought it was even even more emotional When he was asked to repeat that from his opening statement and then he was asked why he would essentially go up against the most powerful person in the world with this account of why it's wrong for trump to pressure Zilenski and An and it led to this really kind of remarkable moment at the hearing. Let's take a listen. And why do you have confidence that you can do that. And Tell your dad not to worry Arnesen because this is America. Oh this is the country I've served and defended that all of my brothers have served and here right matters. Thank you Sir David. This is a gentleman someone who's Bled for the country. He's been to war and now he's working at the White House And what you see however is the White House essentially trying to undercut him. What does that say to you? What is kind of what should Americans take away from from that moment in this hearing one of the first things that struck Muzak is is that they were highlighting the fact that He is a great immigrant. Story on top of being A soldier and and Patriot. I mean here was somebody that all of his siblings and he had gone into the military they had really adopted the the new country and in his dad. Dad Don't worry about me. He was basically saying the system works in a way it never would've in the old Soviet Union and wouldn't in Russia today and that's a real zinger to the Republicans who are sitting there who a few years ago would have been without a doubt the sort of anti Russia coalition of Congress and now one of the odd flips. We've seen is that. The Democrats are far more hawkish on Russia after the two thousand sixteen election and the Republicans are a little bit confused. Because they don't WanNa let up on Putin but they also don't want to betray trump and that it was something that That vitamin actually brought up with regard to whether Ukraine and this is Donald Trump's conspiracy theory. That you it was actually Ukraine. That was interfering in the twenty me. Sixteen election Then men shot back that the that's actually. What Putin wants you to believe? Well nowadays. What Putin wants you to believe? It's what Donald Trump's own justice department has said they don't want you to believe I mean the one thing that I don't fully understand why the Democrats aren't bringing up every four four or five minutes is that In the summer of twenty eighteen the Justice Department that trump justice department indicted twelve Russian. GRU officers for doing the hack now if they actually believed that there was reasonable and brought that up yeah didn't at one point and if if they actually believe at this point that this theory has got much credence at all you'd think they would have gone back to the justice assist department and asked them to put the indictment in abeyance because they might have the wrong people. I don't hear anyone doing that. The most interesting element of this is that a month ago in Greece. You actually heard Secretary of state. Mike Pompeo who has C. I. A. Director had Said said he was completely on board with the intelligence reports about Russia raised the possibility we needed to do an investigation into Ukraine's possible involvement salvant and he has never explained why he's taking a different position the secretary of state and he took a CIA director. Well the entire apparatus of the US government is behind this bill bar traveling the world trying to drum up. You know he's in Italy. He's in trump's wants him to talk to the Ukrainian president. It's like the entire. This is what happens. When president has a conspiracy theory as they're driving principle they can use the systems of government? You know to forward that I would slightly amend your statement. I wouldn't say the entire apparatus of the US government is here. I would say that slice of the leadership around president. President trump is with it and the bureaucracy. The investigative force in the intelligence community the rank and file State Department. All believe this is nonsense. They've heard the intercepts. They've seen the evidence and they don't believe that part of it even Rudy Giuliani who. I spoke to Last last night I said to me that his own investigation didn't find any any evidence that the server was in Ukraine as the president had suggested in the phone. Call this Alinsky and that that's a good point Entirely you know a lot about covering national security because we've seen them Trump in particular essentially try right attack. Anyone who has taken part in these hearings and they did it. Today with vitamin the White House was tweeting. Essentially about him questioning his another other witness kind of questioning his judgment. He shut that down right away by reading from his own performance review which I thought was really interesting. Trump had attacked Jennifer Williams who was clearly nearly a not a happy witness. She did not want to be there today. She didn't see a lot wrong with this call. Even though she said it was kind of unusual to you know David David talks about how the bureaucracy is. Always in line with trump turning the apparatus of government behind his conspiracy theories. But what we've seen in the hearings. Things are really not a lot of fireworks because you know these. Are you know civil servants telling the truth or at least that's that's you. You know a pretty valid impression. I think yeah and I mean neither of these folks who are before the committee is today. We're very excited to be there. I mean even Lieutenant Colonel Veneman was shaking as he was delivering his opening statement. I mean he was. He was a bit worried and he he did say as you said that he will be fine line. For telling the truth the fireworks really come from the members of Congress were trying to instill A partisan agenda here here and there are fireworks coming from those are who are before the committee themselves. Because they're just there to present the facts and at one point you did have been min saying you know. I just did my job because he was being attacked for certain things like not going directly to his superior when he had concerns about the twenty fifth the call well. He went to the lawyer at the White House because the lawyer had told him to come to him if he had concerned so he did have to defend himself at times. And we have seen seen folks do that But they really aren't going forcefully against the entire trump administration. They're just there to tell their version of what they saw. You know it's Adam. Schiff pointed out his Superior on the National Security Council also went directly to the lawyer. You know didn't go I Take John Bolton who was still national security advisor at the time it struck me that this was a strange line of argument all of us who work in national security journalism analysts have my case probably weekly issues. I need to go take up with our legal department. I pick up the phone and I call my the lawyers at the New York Times You know because it may be an issue that they tell me not to worry about not only the bother my editors with it so it doesn't strike me that it was that unusual that he went straight to a legal department. I'm imagining the lawyers at the New York Times seeing the Colorado who am I. Gosh it's David Sanger again problem child. Okay Kylie David. Thank you for joining me on the daily. DC impeachment watching thanks to our listeners. We've got a new episode every weeknight so please make sure to subscribe on Apple podcasts. stitcher Richard Google podcast. spotify were on whatever. Your favorite podcast APP is and while you're there leave us a rating or comment. It really does help people find the show. We'll tomorrow. Are you interested in learning how great companies grow the download. 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2224 - The Trump Impeachment Hearings: Ambassador Gordon Sondland Testimony
"Hey folks it's November twentieth Wednesday to hear his today's podcast. We got a weird stuff going on. I'm not gonNA mess around with this. We we we have been doing all day coverage of this. We're going to be doing a coverage tonight. Live of the debate you can go to. Sammy Cam dot majority dot. FM At around quarter order of nine. We'll be live with the debate. We had different plans but Sunderland's testimony. This morning was just as opening statement as long is not a lot of me talking in it but it's important it it basically He says in this testimony definitely quid. Pro Quo Oh and he fingers a bunch of other people so here it is. This is the first half if you want the second half of the testimony head over to our Youtube Channel YouTube dot com slash Sam Cedar. You can find out more tomorrow. 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All right here's the the beginning of the Salmaan testimony that happened Wednesday November twentieth. Starting already get about nine. AM which is it. Is Wednesday November twentieth. Two Thousand Nineteen. The name is Sam Cedar. This is a special majority of port coverage of the impeachment. Hearings taking place in the Longworth office building. The House Intelligence Committee will be talking to e you ambassador Gordon Sunlit and there could be some fireworks some singing singing and fireworks today. We'll get prepared song gun. I'm sorry I really. I don't get a lot of opportunity to do that in a non ironic way that music although the music is still a little bit ironic to things have come came out this morning by the New York Times. One is that Reporting that Mike Pompeo knew exactly what Gordon son-in-law was doing and then in just a moment to go literally seconds ago there's only what headline It's being reported by the Times that's on is going to say that Donald Trump was gave express direction for him to pressure Ukraine. And it seems that you I m e that it seems that someone is GonNa sing now. There was some talk. He may take the Fifth Amendment. He may do that and then immediately get immunity from from Adam Schiff. That's possible and then if if he gets immunity then he can just sing. It doesn't worry about it. He seems to be a laughing jovial laughing and smiling right now which Leads me to believe that he's crapping pants and he's decided like That that's it. Forget about it It's all over for me you and I might as well. There's I just don't see how you show up at the At the hearing giggling and smiling and beaming under any circumstances unless it's totally gallows humor right like like the the only way I can imagine having that attitude is if I'm walking in Sanctum Brandon Mike. I'm totally it's over. It's over what are you gonNA do. I mean doesn't he look like that. Maybe I'm projecting but I just can't imagine in that anybody coming to testify under these circumstances is going to be giggling and even if you felt inclined to Giggle you wouldn't unless you felt like doc it's over because it's an appropriate for me to come and Giggle. I'm not doing the president any benefit by coming in there and defending giggling. I don't know maybe I'm making too much of this but this is this could be the This could be the Big One folks. I'm glad you're you're with us to experience this histories four time in our history that a Hearings have commenced or at least were were initiated. A third time they have commenced I see these images I remember back twenty five years ago more for twenty seven years ago during the Anita Hill hearings. When I started taking pictures of my television creating refrigerator magnets I would mount them on foam core? Put a glue a magnet. Go down to Gotcha can't remember the bar. Now Watch Mark Sam and play and treat her right and Morphine came out of there and I would sell the magnets for money. And so if you're not surprising patronizing kid but here we go. Good morning everyone. This is the fifth in a series of public hearings. The committee will be holding off. Impeachment inquiry without objection. Action Chair is authorized to declare a recess at anytime. There is a quorum present. We'll proceed today in the same fashion as are other hearings. I'll make an opening statement and then ranking member Nunez. We'll have the opportunity to make a statement and we will turn to our witness for an opening statement and then two questions reidents members. We welcome you and respect that you're interested in being here and that's us we're going to refresh without disruption. Go right okay. I'll make all necessary inappropriate steps okay. Contain order to ensure the committee is run in accordance with house rules in House resolution. Six sixty with that. I now recognize myself to give an in opening statements. Today David Hale Under Secretary of State of Public Affairs Laura Cooper from the Defense Department. Here's A. Shift's open. The American ambassador it to the European Union. We are here today as part of the House of Representatives impeachment inquiry because President Donald Trump's not to condition military aid to Ukraine and Oval Office meeting with the new Ukrainian President Vladimir Zielinski in exchange for politically motivated investigations. Trump believe would help his reelection campaign pain. The I investigation was a discredited conspiracy theory that Ukraine not Russia was responsible for interfering in the two thousand sixteen election sec investigation that trump demanded into was into a political rival that he apparently feared most Joe Biden trump's to weaken biden and to refute the fact that his own election campaign in two thousand sixteen have been helped by Russian hacking and Dumping Operation Croatian and Russian social media campaign directed by Vladimir Putin to help trump trump scheme undermine military and diplomatic support support for a key ally and undercut. US anticorruption efforts in Ukraine trump. Put his personal and political interests. Above those of the United States S. Ambassador Sunland would later tell career foreign service officer David Holmes immediately after speaking to the president trump did not give a expletive about Ukraine crane. He cares about big stuff that benefits him like the Biden. Investigation is that Rudy. Giuliani was pushing. Investors on was a skilled dealmaker but in trying to satisfy directive from the president found himself increasingly embroiled in an effort to press the new Korean president that deviated sharply from the norm arm in both terms of policy and process in February ambassador. Simon traveled to Ukraine on his first official trip to that country while Kief he met with an US ambassador to Ukraine Marie Ivanovich and found her to be an excellent diplomat with a deep command of Ukrainian internal dynamics on April. Twenty twenty-first is Alinsky was elected president of Ukraine and spoke to president trump who congratulated him and said he would look into attending Lewinsky's inauguration but pledged to send someone at a very very high level between the time of that call and the inaugural and may twenty trump's attitude towards attitude sued towards Ukraine hardened on May thirteenth president ordered Vice President Mike Pence not to attend Dolinsky inauguration opting instead to dispatch the self dubbed up to three Amigos Energy Secretary. Rick Perry Ambassador Sunland Ambassador. Kurt Volker the special representative for Ukraine negotiations after turning from the inauguration members of the US allegation briefed President trump on their encouraging first interactions with the new Ukrainian administration. They urged the president to meet was Alinsky. But the president's reaction was decidedly hostile. The president's order was clear. However talk with Rudy you during this meeting or Sahlin I became aware of what Giuliani and the president were really interested in? This whole thing was sort of a continuum them he testified at his deposition. Starting at May at the May twenty third meeting ending up at the end of the line. When the transcript of the call came out? It was a continuum he would explain. That became more insidious over time. The three Amigos were disappointed. With trump's directive to engage Giuliani but vowed to press ahead ambassadors. On the testified. We could abandon the goal of the White House meeting for presidents alinsky which the group deemed crucial for us rain relations or we could do as president trump directed and talk to Mr Giuliani to address. The presence concerns turns. We chose the latter path in the coming weeks. Ambassador Solomon got more clearly involved in Ukraine policy-making starting with the June four US mission to the EU Independence Day event in Brussels. One month early Secretary Perry over rectal and the State Department counselor. The State Department counselor and Sunland met with presence Alinsky whom Solomon had invited personally on the margins of the event on June ten twenty one thousand nine Secretary Katori Perry organized the conference call with John Lund then national security adviser John Bolton Volcker and others a reviewed Ukraine strategy with Bolton and decided that Perry Salmon and Volker would assist ambassador. Bill Taylor the new acting ambassador in Kiev Ukraine and discuss trump's desire for Rudy Giuliani. To be somehow involved at the end of the call. According to Sunland we all felt very comfortable with the strategy. Moving forward two weeks. Later on June twenty-seventh Ambassador Song called Taylor to say that quote Zielinski needed to make clear to president trump that he was not standing in the way of investigations on July Tenth Ambassador Sunland and other. US officials met at the White House with a group of US and Ukrainian officials participants in the meeting have told us that ambassador Sunland invoked invoked acting White House chief-of-staff Mick Mulvaney and said that the White House meeting sought by the Ukrainian president with trump would happen only if Ukraine undertook certain investigations Gatien's National Security Advisor Bolton abruptly ended the meeting upon hearing this undeterred. Salmon brought the crane delegation downstairs to another part of the White House and was is more explicit. According to witnesses Ukraine needed to investigate the Biden Charisma and the two thousand sixteen election interference if they wanted to get a meeting. Ask Paul following this meeting. July Bolton said that he would not be part of whatever drug deal sunland Mulvaney are cooking up on. This song continued to press for a meeting but he and others were willing to settle for a phone call as an intermediate step on July twenty. One Tail Texted silent that quote presence. Linski is both sensitive about Ukraine. Being taken seriously not merely as an instrument of Washington domestic reelection politics Solomon reported responded. Wanted absolutely but we need to get the conversation started and the relationship built irrespective of the pretext. So that's Alinsky and trump could could meet and all of this will be fixed on July twenty fifth day of the trump's Alinsky call volker had lunch and cave with a senior hey to creighton presence. Alinsky later texted the aid to say that he'd heard from the White House. Assuming presidency convinces trump. He will investigate. Get to the bottom. What happened in two thousand sixteen? We will nail down date for visit to Washington. Good luck ambassador. Sawn spoke to president trump a few eight minutes before the call was placed but was not on the call during that now infamous phone call was alinsky trump responded to the crane expression of appreciation for US defense support and request to buy more javelin antitank missiles by saying. I would like you to do us a favor. Though trump ASA Linski to investigate the discredited twenty sixteen conspiracy theory and even more ominously look into the Biden's neither had been part of the official preparatory material for the call but they were in Donald Trump's personal interest and the interests of his reelection campaign and the Ukrainian president knew about both in advance in part because of Ambassador Volker and ambassador sunless efforts to make him aware of what the president was demanding around. This time of Astra Salmon became aware of the suspension mention of security assistance to Ukraine which had been announced on a secure Interagency Video Conference on July. Eighteenth telling us that it was extremely odd that nobody involved involved in making and implementing policy towards Ukraine new. Why the aide had been put on hold during August on the participated in conference calls and text messages with Volker Giuliani Johnny and said that the gist of every call was what was going to go in the press statement in August nine text message volkers online stated dated? I think police really wants the deliverable which was according to on a deliverable public statement. That president trump wanted to see are here before a white White House. Meeting could happen on September one ambassador. Sean Lennon participated in Vice President. Pence as bilateral meeting was Alinsky in Warsaw during Richland Ski. Raise the the suspended security assistance following that meeting. Someone approached the senior Ukrainian officials to tell him that he believed what could help them move. The aid aide was Ukrainian prosecutor. General would go to the Mike and announced that he was opening. The Barack Obama Investigation Salmon told Taylor that he made a mistake by telling Ukrainians that an Oval Office meeting was dependent on public announcement of investigations. In fact everything was dependent on such an announcement including security assistance but even the announcement by the prosecutor general would not satisfy the president on September. Seven silence spoke to the president and told Tim Morrison and Bill Taylor about the call shortly thereafter. The president said that although this was not a quid pro quo. If Presidents Alinsky did not clear things up in public we would be at a stalemate moreover announcement by the Prosecutor General would not be enough presidents. Alinsky must personally months announced personally that he would open the investigations. Someone told Taylor that president trump trump is a businessman when a businessman is about to sign a check to someone who owes him something he said the businessmen ask that person to pay up before signing the check check referred to here was the US military assistance to Ukraine and Ukraine had to pay up with investigations throughout early early. September of Awkward. Silence ought to close the deal and agreement. That's Alinsky would announce investigations after Taylor Texted silent on September nine twenty nineteen that I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign. Sixteen days later the transcript of the July twenty fifth call was made public in the American people. Learn the truth of how our president tried to take advantage of a vulnerable ally. Now it is up to Congress as the People's representatives to determine determine what response is appropriate if the president abused his power and invited foreign interference in our elections if he sought to condition coerce store. Bri I Benelli into conducting investigations to aid his reelection campaign and did so by withholding official acts a White House meeting or hundreds of millions of dollars of needed military aid aide. It will be up to us to decide whether those acts are compatible with the office of the presidency. Finally I want to say a word about the president and secretary pompeo's obstruction of this investigation. We have not received a single document it from the State Department and as Ambassador Sawn Lens Opening Statement Today will make clear. Those documents is bear directly on this investigation and this impeachment inquiry. I think we know now. Based on a sample the documents attached stew embassador silence statement that the knowledge of this scheme was far and wide and included among others secretary of State Pompeo Bill as well as the vice president we can see why Secretary Pompeii and president trump have made such a concerted and across the board effort to obstruct this investigation and this impeachment inquiry and I will just say this. Yes they do so at their own peril. I remind the president that article three of the impeachment articles drafted against President. Nixon was his refusal to obey the subpoenas of Congress and with that I recognize ranking member Nunez for any remarks that he would wish to make thank the Gentleman Colin as we learned last night storytime last night we get storytime first thing this morning Vassar Sunlen. Welcome I'm glad you're here on really not flat. You're here but welcome to the fifth day of this circus. As I've noticed noticed noted before if the Democrats on this committee spent rushing in March two thousand eighteen after a year long investigation intelligence committee Republicans issued a two hundred forty page report describing in detail. How the Russians meddled in the two thousand sixteen elections and making specific recommendations to improve our election security denouncing the report as a whitewash and accusing Republicans of subverting the investigation the Democrats issued their own report focusing on there now debunked conspiracy theory that the trump oh campaign colluded with Russia to hack the elections notably? The Democrats have vowed at the time to present a further quote comprehensive report unquote after they finished their investigation into trump's treasonous collusion with Russia some of their Russia Hoax Democrats failed to issue that comprehensive report. We're still waiting. This episode shows. How Democrats have exploited the Intelligence Committee for political purposes for three years culminating and these impeachment hearings and their mania to attack the president? No conspiracy theory is too outlandish for the Democrats time time and time again. They floated the possibility of some far fetched. Malfeasance by trump declared the dire need to investigate it and then suddenly dropped the issue and moved on to are there next asinine theory a sampling of their accusations and insinuations includes these. He's trump is a long time Russian agent as described in the still dossier the Russians gave trump advance access to email stolen stolen by the DNC. And Hillary Clinton campaign the trump campaign based some of his activities on these stolen documents. Michael Tracy writes enlarged for trump campaign trump laundered Russian money through real estate deals. Trump was blackmailed by Russia. Through his financial exposure Deutsche Bank trump diabolical plan to build a trump tower Moscow. Trump change changed the Republican National Committee Platform to hurt Ukraine and benefit Russia. The Russians laundered money through the NRA for the trump campaign. Shrimp son-in-law lied about his Russian context while -taining security clearance. It's a long list of charges. It's all false and I could go on and on and on spare you for these moments. Clearly these ludicrous accusations. Don't don't reflect committee members who are honestly searching for the truth there. The actions of partisan extremists who hijack the intelligence committee transformed it into into the Impeachment Committee abandoned its core oversight functions and turned it into a beachhead for ousting elected president from office. You have to keep that history in mind as you consider the Democrats latest catalog of trump outrageous granted a friendly only call with the cranium. President wouldn't seem to rise to the same level as being a Russian agent but the Democrats were running out of time if they waited any longer there. Impeachment Circus would intervene with their own candidates. Twenty twenty campaigns. So you have to give them points for creativity creativity in selling this absurdity as an impeachable offense all this explains why the Democrats have gathered zero Republican and support in the House of Representatives for their impeachment crusade. Trust Mush. In fact the vote we held was a bipartisan. Vote against this impeachment inquiry fiery Speaker Pelosi chairmanship and Chairman Nadler of the key figures behind this impeachment crusade all proclaimed that impeachment is so damaging damaging to the country that it can only proceed with bipartisan. Support are those declarations suddenly no longer true it impeachment become less divisive of course not they know exactly what kind of damage they're inflicting on this nation. They've passed the point of no return after three years of preparation. Work much of it spearheaded by the Democrats Kratz on this committee using all the tools of Congress to accuse investigate indict and smear the president they stoke the frenzy amongst their most fanatical supporters that they can no longer control Bassett or you are here today to be smeared. The you'll make it through it and I appreciate your service to this country I'm sorry that you had to go through this. Enclosed Democrats have zeroed in on an anonymous whistleblower whistle blower complaint that was cooked up and cooperation with the Democrats on this very committee. They lied to the American people all about that cooperation. And refuse to let us question the whistle blower to discover the truth. Meanwhile the Democrats Lash Out against anyone who questions or cast doubt on this spectacle when Ukrainian President Zielinski denies anything improper happened happened on the phone. Call the Democrats say that. He's a liar when journalists report on Ukraine election meddling and hundred Biden's position on the board Lord of Corrupt Ukrainian companies the Democrats label them conspiracy theorists when the Democrats can't get any traction for their allegations of quid pro quo. They moved the goalposts and use the presidency not read the opening statement about to give last resort obstruction of justice. The American people send us to Washington to solve problems not to wage scorched earth political warfare against the other party. This impeachment is not helping the American people. It's not a legitimate use of taxpayer dollars and it's definitely not improving our national security charity. Finally the Democrats fake outrage that president trump used his own own channel to communicate with Ukraine. Remind my friends on the other side of the aisle that our first President George Washington directed his own diplomatic channels to secure a treaty with Great Britain if my democratic colleagues were around in seventeen ninety four war. They'd probably want to impeach him to chairman this morning. We've transmitted to you a letter. Exercising our rights under h sixty two subpoenaed documents and witnesses. We take this step because you have failed to ensure fairness and objectivity in this inquiry as such we need to subpoena Hunter Biden and the whistle blower for closed-door depositions as well it's relevant documents from the DNC Hunter Biden's firm Rosemont Zeneca and the whistle blower and the interest of some uh level of fairness. We expect you to concur with thesis. Subpoenas submit that letter for the record and you'll back the balance of my time. I thank the gentleman. It appears that Devon Nunez has not seen Gordon Sunland Sun inlands opening statements this morning because yesterday the I gotta think Adam Schiff is feeling pretty. He's laughing dove right down for State Department ambassador. Sunland was the founder and CEO Providence. Oh tells a national owner operator of full service hotels. Also so predators government service ambassadors Sunland was engaged in charitable enterprises two final points before witnesses worn. I witnessed depositions this. As part of this inquiry were in unclassified unclassified nature and all open hearings will also be held at the unclassified level. Any information that may touch on classified information will be addressed separately second congress will not tolerate any reprisal threat of reprisal or attempt to retaliate eight against any US government official testifying before Congress including you or any of your colleagues if you would please rise and raise your right hand I will begin by swearing. UN Do you swear affirm that the testimony you're about to give is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you. God let the record show the witness has answered in the affirmative. Thank you and please be seated. The microphone is sensitive so please speak directly into it without objection your written statement will be made part of the record and without Ambassador Sunland you will now recognized for your opening statement. Thank you Mr Chairman and thank you. ranking member newness. I appreciate the opportunity to speak again to the members so this committee I let me offer my thanks to the men and women of the Department of State who have committed their professional fashionable lives to support the foreign policy work of the United States in particular I want to thank my staff at the US mission to the European Union your integrity dedication and hard work often performed without public acclaim or recognition serve as a shining shining example of true public service. And I am personally grateful to work beside you. Each and every day it it is my honor to serve as the US ambassador to the European Union the US mission to the EU is the direct link between the United States And the European Union and its members America's longest standing allies in one of the largest economic blocs in the world. Every day I worked to support a strong united and peaceful Europe strengthening our ties with Europe serves both American and European European goals as we together promote political stability and economic prosperity around the world. I expect that few Americans have heard my name before these events so before I begin my substantive testimony please let me share some of my personal background. My parents fled Europe. During the Holocaust. Escaping the atrocities of that time my parents left Germany for Uruguay and then in nineteen. fifty-three emigrated to Seattle Washington. Where I was born and raised like so many immigrants? My family was eager for freedom and hungry for opportunity. They raised my sister and me to be humble hardworking talking and patriotic and I am forever grateful for the sacrifices they made on our behalf. Public Service has always been important to make as a lifelong Republican. I have contributed to initiatives of both Republican and Democratic administrations in two thousand thousands of three is served as a member of the transition team for Oregon Democratic Governor Ted Kulakowski Governor Kulakowski also appointed me to serve on various statewide boards in two thousand and seven president. George W Bush appointed me as a member of the Commission on White House. Fellows I worked with President Bush on charitable events for his foundations military service initiative and I also worked briefly safely. Investigators President Joe Biden's office in connection with the Vice President's nationwide answer anticancer initiative at a local northwest hospital and of course the highest honor in my public life came when president trump asked me to serve as the United added states ambassador to the European Union. The Senate confirmed me ask and I assumed the role in Brussels on July ninth two thousand eighteen. Although today is my first public testimony on the Ukraine matters this is is not my first time cooperating with the committee as you know I've already provided ten hours of deposition testimony and I did did so despite directives from the White House and the State Department that I refuse to appear as many others have done. I agreed to testify because I respect the gravity of the moment and I believe I have an obligation to account fully for my role in these events. It's but I also must acknowledge that this process has been challenging and in many respects less than fair I have not had access to all of my phone records State Department emails and many many other State Department documents and I was told I it could not work with my e U staff to pull together the relevant files and information having access to the State Department materials else would have been very helpful to me and trying to reconstruct with whom I've spoken met and went and what was said as ambassador. I've had hundreds of meetings and calls with individuals. But I'm not a note taker or a memo writer never have been. My job requires that I speak with heads of state. Senior government officials members of the cabinet the the president almost each and every day talking with foreign leaders might be memorable to some people but this is my job. I do it all the time. My lawyers and I have made multiple requests to the State Department and the White House for these materials yet. These materials were not provided to me and they have also refused to share these materials with this committee. These documents are not classified and in fairness and in fairness should have been made available in the absence of these materials. My Memory Edna has not been perfect and I have no doubt that a more fair open and orderly process of allowing me to read the State Department records records and other materials would have made this process far more transparent. I don't intend to repeat my prior opening statement or attempt to summarize ten hours of previous deposition testimony however a few critical points have been obscured by noise over the last few days as an weeks. And I'm worried that the bigger picture is being ignored. So let me make a few key points. I Secretary Perry Ambassador Volker and I worked with Mr Rudy Giuliani on Ukraine. A crane matters at the express direction of the president of the United States. We did not want to work with Mr Giuliani simply put. We were playing the hand we were dealt. We all understood that if we refuse to work with Mr Giuliani we would lose a very important opportunity to cement relations between the United States and Ukraine so we followed the president's residents orders. Second good boy. Although we disagreed with the need to involve Mr Giuliani at the time we did not believe that his role was improper as I previously testified. If I had known of all of Mr Giuliani's dealings or his associations with individuals some of whom are now under criminal indictment what I personally would not have acquiesced to his participation. Listen I also had no idea still given what we knew at the time. What we were asked to do did not appear to be wrong? Third let me say precisely because we did not think that we were engaging in improper behavior. Sure we made every effort to ensure that the relevant decision makers at the National Security Council and the State Department -partment new the important details of our efforts the suggestion that we were engaged in some irregular or rogue. UGH diplomacy is absolutely false. I have now identified certain State Department emails and messages that provide vied contemporaneous support for my view. These emails show that the leadership of the State Department. The national no Security Council and the White House were all informed about the Ukraine efforts for May twenty third two thousand and nineteen until the security aide was released on September eleventh. Two Thousand Nineteen. I will quote from some of those messages with you shortly fourth as I testified previously as I testified previously Mr Mr Giuliani's requests were a quid pro quo for arranging a White House visit for president. Lansky Mr Giuliani demanded that Ukraine make a public statement announcing the investigations of the two thousand sixteen election. DNC Server and Barista. Mr Giuliani was expressing the desires of the president of the United States. And we knew these investigations were important. Martin Te to the President V in July and August of two thousand and nineteen. We learned that the White House had also so suspended security aid to Ukraine. I was adamantly opposed to any suspension of aid. I was adamantly only suppo- adamantly opposed to any suspension of aid as the Ukrainians needed those funds to fight against Russian aggression. I tried tried diligently to ask why the was suspended but I never received clearance. Still haven't to this day. Need to know the absence of any credible explanation for the suspension of aid. I later came to believe that the resumption of security aide would not occur until there was a public statement from Ukraine committing to the investigations of the two thousand and sixteen elections and Barista as Mr. Mr Giuliani had demanded. I shared concerns of the potential. quit pro quo. Regarding the security aide. With Senator Ron Johnson and I also shared my concerns with the Ukrainians finally at all times. I was acting in good faith. I was acting in good faith as a presidential appointee. I've followed the directions of the president resident. We worked with Mr Giuliani because the president directed us to do so. We had no desire to set any conditions we had no desire to set any conditions on the Ukrainians indeed my own personal view which shared repeatedly with others was that the White White House and security security assistance should have preceded without preconditions of any kind. We were working to overcome the problems. Given the facts as they existed are only interest and my only interest I was to advance long standing. US policy and to support Ukraine's fragile democracy now let me provide additional details specifically about Ukraine in my involvement. I my very I. Days as ambassador to the EU which was starting back in July of two thousand. Eighteen Ukraine has featured prominently in my broader portfolio Ukraine's political and economic development are critical to the long standing and long lasting stability of Europe moreover the conflict in eastern Ukraine and Crimea remains one of the most significant security crisis for Europe Europe and the United States our efforts to counterbalance and aggressive Russia depend insubstantial. Part on a strong strong Ukraine on April twenty first two thousand nineteen Vladimir's Alinsky was elected president of Ukraine in in in an historic election with the express support of Secretary Pompeo I attended Presidents Alinsky inauguration on May twentieth as part of the US delegation which was led by Energy Secretary Rick Perry the US delegation also included senator through Johnson Ukraine special envoy Volcker and lieutenant. Colonel Alex Vincent of the National Security Council. My attendance at Presidents Alinsky is inauguration was not my first involvement with Ukraine as I testified previously just four days. He's after assuming. My Post is ambassador in July of two thousand eighteen. I received an official delegation from the government of then in Ukraine president. Petro Poor Shinko. The meeting took place at the. US Mission in Brussels and was pre-arranged my career EU mission staff. Half and. I've had several meetings since then in Brussels later in February of two thousand and nineteen I worked worked well with US ambassador. Maria Vich in making my first official visit to Ukraine for a US Navy visit to the Strategic Black Sea port of Odessa. Also the reason I raise these prior Ukraine activities. The meetings in Brussels my visit to desa is to emphasize that Ukraine crane has been a part of my portfolio from my very first days as the US ambassador. Any claim that I somehow muscled my way way into the Ukraine relationship is simply false. During those Alinsky inauguration on May twentieth the the US delegation developed a very positive view of the Ukraine government. We were impressed by presidents alinskyites desire to promote mode a stronger relationship with the United States. We admired his commitment to reform and we were excited about the possibility of Ukraine. Making the changes necessary to support a greater western economic investment. And we. We were excited. That Ukraine might after years and years of lip service finally get serious about addressing its own well known corruption option problems with that enthusiasm. We returned the White House on May twenty third to brief president trump. We advise the President President of the strategic importance of Ukraine and the value of strengthening the relationship with presidents Alinsky to support this reformer Moore. We asked the White House for two things first. A working phone call. Between President Trump Alinsky and second a working Oval Office visit in our view. Both were vital to cement the US Ukraine relationship demonstrating support for for Ukraine in the face of Russian aggression and advancing broader US foreign policy interests. Unfortunately president trump trump was skeptical. He expressed concerns that the Ukrainian government was not serious about reform and he even mentioned that Ukraine rain tried to take him down in the last election in response to our assistant efforts in that meeting to changes inches views. President trump directed us to quote. Talk with Rudy. We understood that talk with Rudy. Meant talk with Mr Rudy. Giuliani Liani the president's personal lawyer. Let me say again. Huck with Rudy. Tock we're happy with this is rudy. Rudy we did not want to involve Mr Giuliani. I believe Dana's I do now. That the men and women of the State Department not the president's personal. The lawyer should take responsibility for Ukraine matters nonetheless based on the president's direction we were faced with a choice. We could abandoned the efforts to schedule the White House phone call and a White House visit between President Trump alinsky which was unquestionably questionably in our foreign policy interests or we could do. As president trump had directed and talk with Rudy. We chose the latter course not because we liked it but because it was the only constructive path open to us over the course of the next several months Secretary Perry Ambassador Volker and I were in communication with Mr Giuliani secretary. Perry volunteered to make the initial calls with Mr Giuliani. Given their prior relationship Ambassador Volker made several of the early calls and generally informed us of what was discussed. I communicated with Mr Giuliani and early August. Several months later. Mr Giuliani emphasized that the president wanted a statement from presidents Alinsky committing meeting Ukraine to look into the corruption issues. Mr Giuliani specifically mentioned the two thousand sixteen election including the DNC server and Barista as two topics of importance to the president. We kept the leadership of the the State Department and the NFC informed of our activities POMPEII included vacations with Secretary of State Pompeo. His counselor Alrich Brek Bull his Executive Secretary Lisa Kenna and also communications with Ambassador Bolton Dr Hill Mr Morrison and their staff at the NFC what Morrison they knew what we were doing. And why on July tenth two thousand and nineteen senior. Ukrainian national security officials met with embassador Bolton Ambassador Volker Dr Hill Secretary Perry myself and several others in Washington. DC during that meeting and we all discussed the importance of the two action items identified earlier. One a working phone call and to you a White House meeting between President Trump INS Alinsky from my perspective. The July tenth meeting was a positive step toward accomplishing pushing our shared goals. While I am now aware of accounts of the meeting from Dr Hill and Lieutenant Colonel Kinman their recollections of those events events simply don't square with my own or with those of Ambassador Volker or Secretary Perry I recall mentioning the prerequisite requisite of investigations before any White House. Call or meeting but I do not recall any yelling or screaming or abrupt. terminations sounds as as others have said instead after the meeting Ambassador Bolton walked outside with our group and we all took some great pictures. Here's together outside on the White House lawn more important. Those recollections of protests do not square with the documentary record record of our interactions with the NFC in the days and weeks that followed we kept the NFC apprised of our efforts. Including specifically specifically our efforts to secure a public statement from the Ukrainians that would satisfy president trump's concerns for for example on July thirteenth. And this is three days after that July tenth meeting I emailed Tim Morrison he had just taken in over Dr Hills Post as the NFC Eurasia director. And I met him that day. For the first time I wrote to Mr Morrison even with these words the call between Zelenskjaja and president of the United States should happen before four seven twenty one. which is the parliamentary elections? In Ukraine sole purpose is for Zilenski to give Podesta's assurances says of new sheriff in town corruption ending unbundling moving forward and and I emphasize any any hampered investigations will be allowed to move forward transparently. Goal is for police to invite him to Oval Volker Prepari- Bolton and I strongly recommend Mr Morrison acknowledged and said thank you and specifically noted that he was tracking thing. These issues again. There was no secret regarding moving forward and the discussion of investigations moreover. I have reviewed other State Department documents. Some of which are not currently in the public domain detailing Mr Giuliani's as efforts for example on July tenth the very same day that Ambassador Volker Secretary Perry and I were meeting with the the Ukraine officials in Washington ambassador. Taylor received a communication that Mr Giuliani was still talking with Ukrainian in prosecutor. Yuri Sankoh in WHATSAPP messages with embassador Volcker and I- ambassador Taylor wrote to us as follows just had a meeting with Andre Inva- deem referring to Ukraine Foreign Minister Vladimir Staccato Taylor said the Ukrainians were quote very concerned about what looks Sankoh told them that according to our g meaning Rudy Guiliani there's a Lansky. Police meeting will not happen. Volker responded good grief. Please tell the deem to let at the official. US government representatives speak for the US. Lutsenko has his own self interest. Here Taylor confirmed that he had communicated that message to the Ukrainians Loot Sankoh has his own self interest. Here Taylor confirmed that he had communicated indicated that message to the Ukrainians and he added. I briefed Alrich this afternoon on this referring to State Department. Counselor Orrick breakf- bull again. Everyone's in the loop. Three things are critical about this whatsapp exchange I while the Ukrainians cranium were in Washington at the White House Mr Giuliani was communicating with Ukrainians without our knowledge ambassador. Taylor Ambassador Volker and I they were all surprised by this second. Mr Giuliani was communicating with the reportedly corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor Lutsenko and discussing whether as alinsky trump meeting was going to happen again without our knowledge and third with this alarming news ambassador. Acid Taylor briefed all rick breakfast. Who is the counselor to Secretary of State Pompeo and even as late as September twenty fourth of this year secretary pompeo was directing Kurt? Volker to speak with Mr Giuliani. Wow in a WHATSAPP message passage. Kurt Volker told me in part spoke with Rudy per guidance from s s is the State Department's official designator for the secretary spoke with Rudy per guidance from S. Look we tried our best to fix the problem well keeping the State Department and the NFC closely apprised of the challenges. We faced on July twenty fifth president. President trump is a landscape had their official call. I was not on the call and I don't think I was invited to be on the call. In fact I I I read the transcript on September twenty fifth the day it was publicly released. All I had heard at that time was that the call had gone well looking back. I find it very odd very odd. That neither I nor ambassador Taylor nor ambassador. Acid Volker ever received a detailed readout of that call with the Biden references. Now there are people who say they had concerns turns about the call but no one shared any concerns about the call with me at the time which frankly would have been very helpful to know on July twenty sixth ambassador Taylor Ambassador Volker and I were all in key of to meet with presidents Alinsky. The timing of that trip immediately after the call between president trump is Alinsky. was entirely entirely coincidental. The key of meetings had been scheduled well before or the date that the White House finally fixed the call during our key of meeting I do not recall presidents alinsky discussing the substance substance of his July twenty fifth call with President Trump. Nor did he discuss any request to investigate Vice President Biden which we all later learned was discussed on July twenty fifth call and this is consistent with the reported comments from Ambassadors Volker. Taylor after this Alinsky meeting I also met with the Lansky senior aide. Andrei your Mac. I don't recall the specifics of our conversation. Shen but I believe the issue of investigations was probably a part of that. Agenda are meeting also on July twenty six in short our Kiev meetings. I spoke by phone with President Trump. The White House which has finally finally shared certain called dates and Times with my attorneys confirms this. The call lasted five minutes. I remember I was at a restaurant in Kiev. And I have no reason to doubt that this conversation included the subject of investigations again. Given Mr Giuliani's demand that presidents Alinsky make a public statement. Eh about investigations. I knew that investigations were important to president trump. We did not discuss any classified information. Other witnesses have recently shared their recollection of overhearing. This call for the most part. I have no reason to doubt their accounts. It's true that the President President speaks loudly at times. And it's also true. I think we primarily discussed a sap. Rocky it's true that the president likes st use colorful language. Anyone who has met with him at any reasonable amount of time knows this while I cannot remember the precise details details again. The White House has not allowed me to see any readout so that call and the July twenty six call did not strike me as significant at the time actually. Actually I would have been more surprised about the president's concerns however I have no recollection of discussing Vice President Biden or his son Sun on that caller after the call ended. I know that members of this committee frequently frame these complicated issues news. In the form of a simple question was there a quid pro quo as I testified previously with regard to the requested White House call call and the White House meeting. The answer is yes. Mr Giuliani conveyed to secretary. Perry Ambassador Volker and others. The president trump wanted a public statement from presidents Alinsky committing to investigations of Barista and the two thousand sixteen election. Mr Giuliani expressed those requests directly to the Ukrainians. and Mr Giuliani also expressed those requests directly to us we all understood that these prerequisites for the White House call and the right White House. Meeting reflected president trump's desires and requirements commits within my State Department emails. There is July nineteenth email. This email was sent. This email was sent to Secretary Pompeo Secretary Perry Brian McCormick. Who is secretary? Perry's chief of staff at the time Myskina. Who is the acting? Pardon me who is the executive secretary up for Secretary POMPEO chief of Staff Mulvaney and Mister Mulvaney Senior Adviser Rob Blair a lot of senior officials a lot of senior officials. Here's my exact quote from that email. I talked to his Alinsky. Just now he is is prepared to receive. Police call will assure him that he intends to run a fully transparent investigation. And we'll turn over every stone. He would greatly appreciate it call prior to Sunday so that he can put out some media about a friendly Lee unproductive call no details prior to Ukraine election on Sunday. Chief of staff South Mulvaney responded. I asked the NFC to set it up for tomorrow. Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret. Everyone was informed via e mail on July nineteenth days. Before the presidential call as I communicated to the team I told presidents Alinsky in advance that assurances to run a fully transparent investigation and and turn over every stone were necessary in his call with president trump on July nineteenth in a WHATSAPP message. Pitch between Ambassador Taylor Ambassador Volker and me either using Volker stated had breakfast with Rudy. This morning that's embassador volcker and Rudy. Giuliani teeing up. Call with your Mac Monday at senior adviser Andrei. Your Mac must have helped opt. Most important is for Zelenskaja to say that he will help. Investigation and address any specific personnel issues. If there are any on August tenth the next day Mr Your Mac texted me once. We have a date which is a date for the the White House meeting. We will call for a press briefing announcing upcoming visit and outlining vision for the reboot of the US Ukraine crane relationship including among other things. BURRI SMA an election meddling investigations. This is from Mr Mr Your Mac to me the following day August eleventh and this is critical I sent an email mill to counselor brek bull and Lisa Kenna. Lisa Kennedy was frequently used as the pathway. To Secretary Pompeo sometimes uh-huh he preferred to receive his emails through her mouth and put them in front of him with the subject Ukraine. I wrote Mike referring to Mike Pompeo. Kurt and I negotiated a statement from Zielinski to be delivered for for our review in a day or two the contents will hopefully make the boss. Happy enough the boss. Being the president to authorize as an invitation Zilenski plans to have a big presser press conference on the openness subject including specifics fix next week all of which referred to the two thousand sixteen and the Barista Myskina replied. Gordon Gordon. I'll pass to the secretary. Thank you again. Everyone was in the loop. Jeez going we need a bigger police cruisers to me on August twenty sixth shortly before his visit to Kiev. Give ambassador. Bolton's office requested Mr Giuliani's contact information for me. I send ambassador Bassett's Bolton the information directly. They require sorry folks. One Sec rain during conversations with Ambassador Basseterre Taylor on July eighteenth two thousand and nineteen however as I testified before I was never able to obtain tena clear. Answer regarding the specific reason for the hold whether it was bureaucratic in nature. which often happens or reflected some other concern in the interagency process? I never participated in any of the subsequent dod or Dos Review Meetings that others have described described so. I can't speak to what was discussed in those meetings nonetheless. Before the September first Warsaw meeting the Ukrainians had become. I'm aware that security funds had yet to be dispersed in the absence of any credible explanation for the hold old. I came to the conclusion that the aid like the White House. visit was jeopardized in preparation for the September. One Warsaw a meeting. I asked Secretary Pompeo whether a face to face conversation between trump and CELESKI would help to break the logjam logjam and this was when president trump was still intending to travel to Warsaw specifically on August. Twenty Second I. E Mailed Secretary Pompeo directly copying secretary at Cana. I wrote this is my email to secretary pump Pale. Should we block time in Warsaw for a short. Pull aside for police to meet Zilenski. I would what asks Alinsky to look him in the eye and tell him. Once Ukraine's new justice folks are in place in mid September that Celeski. He's Alinsky should be able to move forward publicly and with confidence on those issues of importance to produce in the the US. Hopefully that will help. Break the logjam. The secretary replied yes. I followed followed up the next day asking to get ten to fifteen minutes on the war saw scheduled for this. I said we'd like to know when it's locked. So that I can tells Alinsky and brief him executive secretary Kennedy replied. I will try for sure. Moreover given my concerns turns about the security aide. I have no reason to dispute that portion of Senator Johnson's recent letter in which he recalls conversations. He and I had on August August thirtieth by the end of August. My belief was that if Ukraine did something to demonstrate a serious intention to fight corruption and specifically addressing Barista and the two thousand sixteen then the hold on military aid would be lifted. There was a September first. I meeting with presidents Alinsky Warsaw. Unfortunately president trump's attendance at the Warsaw meeting was cancelled due to hurricane. DORIAN vice president pence attended instead. I mentioned the vice president pence before the meetings with the Ukrainians that I had concerns that the delay in aid aide had become tied to the issue of investigations. I recall mentioning that before the end ski meeting. During the actual meeting Presidents Alinsky Lansky raised the issue of security assistance directly with Vice President Pants and the vice president said that he would speak to president trump about it based based on my previous Communication Secretary Pompeo. I felt comfortable sharing my concerns with mystery. Your Mac it was a very very brief pull aside conversation. That happened within a few seconds. I told Mr Your Mac that I believe that the resumption of US aid would likely not occur until Ukraine took some kind of action on the public statement that we have been discussing for many weeks as my other State Department. Colleagues colleagues have testified. This security aide was critical to Ukraine's defense and should not have been delayed. I express this view too many during this this period but my goal at the time was to do what was necessary to get the aid. Release to break the logjam. I believe that the public statement we had been discussing discussing for weeks was essential to advancing that goal. You know I really regret that. The Ukrainians were placed in that predicament. But I do not regret doing what I could to try to break the logjam and to solve the problem I mentioned at the outset set that throughout these events we kept State Department leadership and others apprised of what we were doing. State Department was fully supportive of our engagement in Ukraine efforts and was aware that commitment to investigations was among the issues. We were pursuing to provide just two two examples on June fifth the day after the US EU mission hosted our Independence Day. We did it a month. Early Acting Assistant Secretary. Terry Phil Reeker sent an email to me to secretary. Perry and others forwarding some positive media coverage of presidents Alinsky is his attendance at our event. Mr Reeker wrote and I quote. This headline underscores the importance and timeliness of Zilenski visit visit to Brussels and the critical and the critical perhaps historic role of the dinner. Engagement Gordon coordinated. Thank you for your participation and dedication to this effort months later on September third I sent sent secretary Pompeo and email to express my appreciation for his joining a series of meetings in Brussels following the Warsaw trip. I wrote Mike. Thanks for Schlepping Europe. I think it was really important and the chemistry seems promising. Really appreciate appreciate it. Secretary Pompeo replied the next day on Wednesday September fourth quote. All good. You're doing doing great work. Keep banging away. State Department. Leadership expressed total support for our efforts to engage the new Ukrainian administration ration- look. I've never doubted the strategic value of strengthening our alliance with Ukraine. And at all times at all times our efforts were in good faith and fully transparent to those tasked with overseeing them. Our efforts were reported and approved and not once do I recall encountering an objection remains an honor to serve the people people of the United States as their United States ambassador to the European Union. I look forward to answering the committee's questions thank you. Wow a lot of people thrown under the bus. You needed multiple buses for what just happened is conducted by the Chairman or majority council followed by forty forty five minutes for the ranking member or minority council following that unless I specify additional equal time for extended questioning will proceed under the five minute rule in every member will have the chance to ask questions. I recognize myself or majority counsel for the I had him trying to not look as there's a lot of new material in your opening statement first through but I want to start with a few top line questions before passing it over to Mr Goldman in your deposition testified that you've found yourself on a continuum that became more insidious over time. Can you describe what you mean by this continuum. Uh of insidiousness. Well Mr Chairman. When we left the Oval Office I believe on May twenty third heard? The request was very generic for an investigation of corruption in a very vanilla sense and dealing Ling with some of the oligarch problems in Ukraine which were longstanding problems and then as time went on more specific items got added led to the menu Including the BURRI SMA and two thousand sixteen election meddling specifically the DNC servers specifically and over this over this continuum. It became more and more difficult to secure the White House meeting. Because more conditions additions were being placed on the White House meeting and that of course on July twenty fifth although you were not privy to call and other condition was added that being the investigation Shen of the Biden's I was not privy to call and I did not know that the condition of investing the Biden's was a condition correct. You saw that in the call record correct. It was not in any record I received a when you did. Yes see. I saw that in September correct so On this continuum the beginning of the continuum begins on May twenty third when the present structure to talk to rudy correct. And you understood does the direction by the president that you need to satisfy the concerns. That Rudy Giuliani would express to About what the president wanted Ukraine not to me to the entire group Volker Parry and myself correct in your opening statement. You confirm that there was a quid pro quo between the White House meeting and the investigations into PRISMA and the two thousand sixteen election. That Giuliani was publicly. Promoting is that right correct and in fact you say that other other senior officials in the State Department and the chiefs of Staffs Office including Mick Mulvaney Secretary Pompeo were aware of this quid pro quo that in order to get the White House meeting. We're going to have to be these investigations. The president wanted correct. And those again are investigations investigations into two thousand sixteen and Barisno slash the Biden's 2016 Barista. The Biden's did not come up but you would ultimately learned that Barack Obama met the Biden's when he saw the call record of course today I know exactly what it means. I didn't know at the time and then on July twenty six to confirm you did indeed have the conversation with President Trump restaurant and keep that David. Holmes testified about last last week. Is that right correct. And you have no doubt no reason to doubt Mr Holmes recounting of your conversation with the president the only part of Mr Holmes uh-huh recounting that I take exception with as I do not recall mentioning the Biden's that did not enter my mind. It was Barista in two thousand sixteen elections. You're no reason to believe that Mr homeless would make that up if that's what he recalls. You're saying you have raised a question I do i. I don't recall saying Biden. I never recalled saying biting but the rest of Mr Holmes Recollection is consistent with your own. Well I can't testifies testifies to what Mr Holmes might or might not have heard through the phone. I don't know how he heard the conversation. But are you familiar with sesame vaguely and the only the exception you take us to the mention of the name Biden. Correct that's weird. Why would homes make that up and I think you said in your testimony this morning that not only Is it correct that the president brought up with you investigations on the phone. The day after the the July twenty fifth call but you would have been surprised. Had he not brought that up. Is that right right. Because we'd been hearing about it from Rudy and we presumed Rudy was getting it from the president so will it seemed like a logical conclusion. Homes also testified that you told him. President trump doesn't care about Ukraine rain. The only cares about big stuff that relates to him. Personally I take it from your comment. you don't dispute that part of the conversation. Well he made that clear in the May twenty third meeting that he was not particularly fond of Ukraine. We had a lot of heavy lifting to do to get him to engage. So you don't dispute that part of Mr Holmes recollection now in August when you worked with Rudy Giuliani and a top Ukrainian aid draft a public statement for presence Alinsky to issue that includes the announcement investigations into Arizona. You understood that was acquired by president trump before he would grant a White House meeting presents. Linski that's correct and the Ukrainians understood that as well. I believe they did. And can you inform Secretary Pompeo about that statement as well. I did later August. You told Secretary Pump Pale that presents presents alinsky would be prepared to tell. President trump that has new justice officials would be able to announce matters of interest to the president. which could break the logjam when you say matters of interest the president you mean the investigations that president trump wanted is that right correct and that involved twenty sixteen gene and Barack Obama or the Biden's 2016 embarrassment? And when you're talking here about breaking the log-jam you're talking about the logjam over the security charity assistance correct. I was talking logjam generically because nothing was moving that included the security assistance that Iraq and based on the context of that email. This was not the first time you had discussed us. Investigations with Secretary Pump wasn't he was aware of the connections that you were making between the investigations and the White House meeting and security assistance. Yes did you ever take issue with you and say no. That connection is not very Iran. Not that I recall. You mentioned that you also had a conversation with vice president pence before his meeting with presence Alinsky in Warsaw. Aw and that you raised the concern. You had as well that the security assistance was being withheld because of the president's desire to get a commitment from Dolinsky to pursue these political investigations sagacious. What did you say the vice president? I was in a briefing With several people and I just spoke up and I said it appears that that everything is stalled until this statement gets made something that words to that effect And that's what I believe to be the case based on You know the work that the three of US had been doing Volker Perry and myself and the vice president nodded like you know He. He heard what I said. And that was pretty much it as I recall and you understood that the Ukrainians were gonNA raise the skirt systems with the vice president at this meeting. I didn't know what they were gonNA raise but they in fact did raise it MR chairman. Well it was published by that point that there was a whole skirt assistance correct. Yeah but I didn't know what they were gonNA raise. Yes I didn't get a pre brief from the Ukrainians. Well you knew. Certainly they were concerned about the hold on the skirt assistance right now. We're concerned obviously and you wanted to help prepare the vice president present for the meeting by letting him know what you thought was responsible for the hold on the skirt assistance. That's fair do you recall anything else. The President Vice President presents said other the nodding his head when you made him where this fact now. I don't have a readout of that meeting so I can't remember anything else. And it was immediately after this meeting in between the vice president and Dolinsky that you went to speak with your mock and you told him similarly that in order to release the military assistance they were going to have to publicly announce these investigations. Yeah much has been made of that meeting and it really wasn't meeting what happened. was everyone got up after the bilateral meeting between president the landscape and vice president pence and people do what they normally do they get up they mill around they shake hands. And I don't know if I came over to your Mac or he came over to to me but he said you know what's going on here and I said I don't know it might all be tied together. Now I have I have no idea presuming that it was but it was a very short conversation. Well in that short conversation as you would later relate to Mr Morrison Ambassador Taylor you informed Mr Year. Mock that they would need to invest announces announces investigations. In order to get the do not well Mr Your mock was already working on. Those investigation are on the statement about the investigations and you confirmed for him that he needed to get done. If they were going to get the military aid I likely did Mr Morrison investor Taylor also related a conversation you had with the president following the Warsaw meeting in which the president related to you That there was no quid pro quo. But nevertheless unless Alinsky went to the Mike and Announce his investigations they would be a stalemate over the aid. Is that correct. That's correct and that was an accurate flexing your discussion with the president. Well that email was not artfully written. I'm the first to admit what I was trying to convey to ambassador Taylor after his frantic emails to me and to others about about the security assistance which by the way I agreed with him I thought it was a very bad idea to hold that money. I finally called the president. I believe it was on on the ninth of September. I can't find the records and they won't provide them to me but I believe I just asked him. An open ended question Mr Chairman. What do you want from Ukraine? I keep hearing all these different ideas and theories and this and that what do you want and it was a very short abrupt conversation. He was not in a good mood and he just said I want nothing. I want nothing I want no quid pro quo tell Linski to do the right thing. Something to that effect so I typed out a text to ambassador Taylor in my reason for telling him this was not to defend what the president was saying being not to a pine on whether the president was being truthful or untruthful but simply to relay. I've gone as far as I can. Go this is the final word that I heard from the president of the United States. If you're still concerned you ambassador Taylor still concerned. Please get ahold of the secretary. Maybe he can help. Let's it's not asking about your text message. I'm asking you about your conversations with Mr Morrison and a bastard Taylor after you spoke with the president either in that call or in a different call. I'm confused Mr Chairman which conversations with Mr Morrison and Mr Tell. Mr Morrison testified that you related a conversation you had with the President President in which the president told you know quid pro quo bought presence. Alinsky must go to a microphone and announced these investigations investigations and that he should want to similarly. You told ambassador Taylor that while the president said no quid pro quo. Unless the Linski announced these investigations they would be at a stalemate presumably stalemate over the military assistance. Do you have any reason to question those conversations that Mr Morrison and bastard Taylor took notes about well. I think it's tied to my techs Mr Chairman because in my text I think I said something to the effect that he wants to lend ski to do what he ran on I believe is transparency etc etc.. which was my clumsy clumsy way of saying he wanted he wanted these announcements to be made again bathroom? Not asking about your text message. I'm asking about what you related laid to ambassador Taylor and Mr Morrison about your conversation with the president. Do you have any reason to question their recollection of what you told them. All all I can say is that I expressed what I told or what the president told me in that text and if I had to relate anything other than what was in that text I don't recall you don't recall I don't recall. You have no reason to question ambassador Taylor or Mr Morrison of what they wrote in their notes about your conversation with them. Could you kindly repeat what they wrote. I'll have Mr Goldman go through that with it'd be great. Well let me get to the top line here embassador Sahlin. You've testified that the White House meeting that presidents Linski ski desperately wanted and that was very important to presence Linski. Was it not absolutely. You've testified that that meeting was conditioned was a quid pro quo for what the president wanted these two investigations and that right correct and that everybody knew it correct now that White House meeting was going to be an official meeting. Between the two presents correct presumably it would be an Oval Office office meeting hopefully a working meeting working meeting so an official act correct and in order to perform that official act. Donald Trump wanted one of these two investigations. That would help his reelection campaign correct. I can't characterize why he wanted them. All I can tell you is. This is what we heard from. Mr Giuliani Johny. But he had he had to get those two investigations. If that official act was gonNA take place correct he had to announce the investigations. He didn't actually them. As I understood it. Okay presents Linski had to announce the two investigations. The president wants to make a public announcement correct correct and those were great value to the president. He was quite insistent upon them and his attorney was insistent upon them. I don't WanNa characterize whether their value. Oh you not value again. Through Mr Giuliani. We were led to believe that. That's what he wanted. Well you said. Mr Giuliani was acting at the president's demand. Correct right when President says. Talk to my personal lawyer Mr Giuliani. We followed his direction. And so that official act of that meeting was being conditioned on the performance of these things the president wanted as expressed directly and through his lawyer. Rudy Giuliani correct as expressed through Guiliani. Johny correct and you've also testified that your understanding it became your clear understanding that the military assistance was also being withheld pending Zilenski announcing these investigations. Correct that was my presumption my personal presumption based on the facts at the time. Nothing was moving. And in fact you had a discussion communication with the sector state which you said that logjam over aid could be lifted if off the Linski announce investigations right. I did not. I don't recall saying the logjam over eight. I recall saying the logjam. That's what you've meant right investor. I I meant that whatever was holding up the meeting. Whatever was willing up our deal with Ukraine I was is trying to break again I was presuming? Well here's what you said. In your testimony moment ago page eighteen but my goal at the time was to do what was necessary to get the aid released to break the logjam. Okay that's still your testimony right so eighty the military aid is also an official act. My right yes. This is not president. Trump's personal bank account. He's writing a check from this. Four hundred a million of. US taxpayer money is not absolutely and there was a logjam in which the president would not right that U. S.. Check you believe until Ukraine announced these two investigations. The president wanted correct. That was my belief mister gold. Thank you MR chairman in your opening statement Ambassador Sunland you you detailed the benefits that you have gained gained from obtaining some additional documents over the past few weeks. Is that right in terms of refreshing my recollection that right because because review reviewing these documents has helped you to remember the events that we're asking about is that correct correct because you acknowledge of course course that when you can place a document and date and context it helps to jog your memory. That's correct and so you would agree that for people unlike yourself l.. Who take notes that? That is very helpful to their own recollection of events. I think asked your question backwards. Are you saying people that take notes. It's helpful to have those documents or people don't take notes. It's helpful to have those. No you are not a notetaker right. Not a notetaker. Never have been but you would agree that people who do take contemporaneous notes generally are more able to remember things than people who don't some yes and there are additional documents that you've been unable to obtain. Is that right. That's correct. And I think you even said in your opening statement at the State Department prevented you and your staff from trying to gather more documents. Is that correct certain documents. Yes which documents documents documents that I didn't have immediate access to and who at the State Department prevented you from doing that. I opted asked my counsel. He was dealing with them. But certainly based on the the additional memory that you have gained over the past few weeks from reading the testimony of others based on their notes and reviewing your own documents assignments. You have remembered a lot more than you did when you were deposed. Is that right. That's correct and one of the things that you now now remember is the discussion that you had with with President Trump on July twenty sixth in that restaurant in Kiev right. Yeah what triggered. My memory was someone's reference to a sap rocky. which was I believe the primary purpose of the phone call certainly so that's one way memory works isn't it and and you were sitting in a restaurant with David Holmes in Kiev right having lunch? I think I took the whole team out to lunch after the meeting and it was a meeting one on one meeting you had with Andre Earmark again trying to reconstruct never took very busy. He Day without the benefit mentally. If someone said I had a meeting and I went to the meeting then I'm not GonNa dispute that and particularly if that person took notes at that meeting correct or sat outside the door when you didn't let them in I have no control over. Who goes into a meeting in Ukraine? That was the Ukrainians that didn't let him in. When you would also met with presidents Alinsky among others that day is that right? That's correct and you called president trump from your your cell phone from the restaurant. Is that right. That's right and this was not a secure line. Was it no. It was an open line. Did you worry that a foreign government may be. You're listening to your phone call with the president of the United States. Well I have unclassified conversations all the time from landlines that are unsecured and cellphones funds. If the topic is not classified and it's up to the president to decide what's classified and what's not classified and we were having. He was aware that it was an open line as well. And you don't recall the specifics of holding your phone outside far away from your ear ear as Mr Holmes testified but you have no reason to question his recollection of that do you. I mean it seems a little strange. I would hold my phone on here. I probably had my phone close to my. He claims to have overheard part of the conversation. And I'm not going to dinner with the president. Well he also testified. Lied that you confirm to President trump that you were in Ukraine at the time and that presidents alinsky quote loves your ASS UNQUOTE UNQUOTE. Do you recall saying that. It sounds like something I would say. That's how president trump and I communicate a lot of four letter words. This case three letter sometime. He heard President trump ask quote. Is he meanings. alinsky GONNA do the investigation to which he replied he's going to do it. And then you added. The president's residents Alinsky will do anything that you many president trump asked him to. Do you recall that. I probably said something to that effect because I remember for the meeting. The president our president the Leninsky was very solicitous is not a good word he was just very willing to you. Work with the United States and was being very amicable and so putting it in trump's speak By saying he loves your Ashville do whatever were you want Matt that he would really work with us on a whole host of issues. It was not only willing. He was very eager right. That's fair because Ukraine crane depends on the United States as its most significant allied. Isn't that correct. One of its most absolutely so just so we understand you. You were in Kiev. The day after president trump spoke to presidents Alinsky on the phone. And you now know from reading the call record that in that phone call. He requested a favor for presidents Alinsky to do investigations related to the Biden's Haydn's and the two thousand sixteen election right. I do now know that. Yes and you met with presidents Alinsky and his aides on the day after that phone call and then you had a conversation with President trump from your cell phone from a restaurant terrace. And he asked you whether Presidents Alinsky will do the Investigations Sion's and you responded that he's going to do them or it and that presidents Alinsky will do anything you ask them to do. Is that an accurate recitation. Of what happened there I it could have been words to that effect. I don't remember my exact response. But you don't have any reason to dispute Mr Holmes recollection collection correct. I won't dispute it but again I don't recall after you hung up with the president. Mr Holmes testified about a conversation that you and he had where he says that someone's getting Mr Holmes that the president does not care about Ukraine crane but the president used the more colorful language including a four letter word that you just referenced to just referenced. Do you recall saying that to Mr Mr Holmes again. I don't recall my exact words but clearly the president beginning on May twenty third when we met with him in the Oval Office was not a big fan but he was a big fan of the investigations. Apparently so and in fact Mr Holmes said that you do that you said that president trump cares about the quote big stuff that benefits himself. Is that something that you would have said at the time I. I don't think I would have said that would've honestly said that. He was not a big Fan of Ukraine. Any wants the investigations that we have been talking about for quite some time to move forward. That's what I would have said because that's the fact. Mr Holmes also remembers that you told him in giving an example of the big stuff. The Biden investigation. That Rudy Giuliani was pushing. Do you recall that I doubt I recall call Barista. I'm not Biden. And but do you recall saying at least refer referring to an investigation. That Rudy Giuliani was pushing. Is that something that you likely would've set I would've yes now. Barista was there. Don't buy specifically. Let's be clear mentioning the Biden investigation to David Holmes. We know that it was certainly on president. Trump's mind because just the day before in his call with presidents Alinsky he mentions specifically the Biden investigation. I want to show you that exhibit on the Cau- aw right like he just blew the code on that cousin and trump says the other thing. There's a lot of talk about Biden's son that Biden. Stop the prosecution and a lot of people wanna find out about that so whatever you can do. With the attorney general would be great Biden went around bragging that he stopped. Stop the prosecution so if you can look into it it sounds horrible to me. President Zilenski then responds with a reference to the company that he's referring to do and two witnesses. Yesterday said that when Presidents Alinsky actually said the company he said Barista so you would agree that regardless of whether you knew about the connection to the Biden's at the very least that you now know that that's what president trump wanted at the time through the Barista investigation. I now know it all of course and at this time you were aware of the president's desire along with Rudy Giuliani to do these investigations including the two thousand sixteen election. Interference Investigations. I right. That's correct and you said. President trump directed you to talk you and the others to talk to Rudy Giuliani at the Oval Office. On May twenty third. Is that right if we wanted to get anything done with Ukraine it was apparent to us. We needed to talk to rudy right. You understood that. Mr Giuliani spoke for the president correct. That's correct and in fact. President trump also made that clear to presidents Alinsky in that same July twenty fifth phone. Call Paul he said. Mr Giuliani is highly highly respected. Man He was the mayor of New York City a great mayor and I would like him to call. Oh you I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General Rudy. Very much knows what's happening. And he is a very capable guy and after this president trump then mentions. Mr Giuliani twice more in that. Call now from Mr Giuliani by this. This point you understood that in order to get that White House meeting you wanted Presidents Alinsky to have and the president's Alinsky desperately wanted to have off that Ukraine would have to initiate these two investigations. Is that right well. They would have to announce that they were going to do it. Right because because Giuliani and president trump trump didn't actually care if they did them right. I never heard Mr Goldman anyone. Say that the investigations had to start or had to be completed needed. The only thing I heard for Mr Giuliani or otherwise was that they had to be announced in some form and that form kept changing that value announced publicly Komo trump's recognize that there would be political benefits to a public announcement as opposed to a private confirmation right well the way it was expressed to me. was that the Ukrainians had a long long history of committing things privately and then never following through. So president trump presumably again communicated through Mr Giuliani. Johnny wanted the Ukrainians on record publicly. That they were going to do these investigations. That's the reason that was given to me but you never heard anyone say that. They really wanted them to do the investigations justice. I didn't hear either way. Now Your your July twenty six call with the president was not the only time that you spoke to the president surrounding that Ukraine trip was it I believe I spoke to him before or has called. And that's that would be on July twenty fifth the day before. Yeah I think I was flying to Ukraine and I spoke with him if I recall correctly just before I got on the plane. So that's to private telephone calls with President trump in the span of two days. Is that right correct. You had direct access then to president trump correct. I had occasional access when he chose to take my call. Sometimes he would. Sometimes he wouldn't well. He certainly took your call twice as it related to Ukraine on these days. Is that right yet now. The morning of July twenty fifth. You Texted Ambassador Volker and we could bring up the next text exchange at seven fifty four. Am and you said. Call Asap Ambassador Asser. Volker did not respond to you for another hour and a half and he said Hi. Gordon got your message. Had A great lunch with earmark and then passed your message to him. He will see you tomorrow. Think everything in place Volker though an hour before that in about a half an hour before the phone call had texted under a a year. Mark a top aide for presidents alinsky. And he wrote good lunch. Thanks heard from White House. Assuming president. Zee convinces trump. He will investigate. Get to the bottom of what happened. In Two thousand sixteen we will nail down date for visit to Washington. Good luck. See You tomorrow ambassador son than was this message. Is that Kurt Volker Pass to Andre Year. Mock the message you left for Kurt Volker on that voicemail that he referenced. I don't remember Mr Goldman that it very well could have been. You don't have any reason to think it wasn't right again. I honestly honestly don't remember but seems logical to me honestly honestly testified that he did get that message from you you have no reason to doubt if he testified. He got that message from me than I would. If you're ever GONNA convict crimes the president trump and that phone call that morning again. If he testified to that to refresh my memory then yes likely I would have received that from president trump but the sequence certainly make sense right. Yeah does you talk to president trump. You told Kurt vocal or call you. You left a message for Kurt Volker Kurt. Volker voelker sent this text message to Andre earmarked to prepare presidents Alinsky. And then you. President trump had a phone call where presidents Alinsky spoke very very similar to what was in this text. Message right right and you would agree that the message in this that is expressed here. Is that president. Zilenski needs to to convince trump that he will do the investigations in order to nail down the date for a visit to Washington. DC is that correct. That's correct now. I'm going to move ahead in time to the end of August and early September when you came to you believe I believe as you testified that it wasn't just the White House meeting that was contingent on the announcement of these investigations that the president wanted wanted but security assistance as well. You testified that in the absence of any credible explanation for the hold on security assistance. You came to the conclusion that like the White House visit. The aid was conditioned on the investigations that president trump wanted. Is that what you said. In your opening statement it is so. Let me break this down with you by this time. You and many top officials knew that that coveted White House meeting for four presidents Alinsky was conditioned on these investigations. Right the announcement of the investigations. Thank you and that includes Secretary Pompeo right many many people. And what secretary bumpy. Oh yes and acting chief of Staff Mulvaney. Yes and you testified that this was a quid. Pro Quo is that right right. I did and at this point by the end of August and knew that the aide had been held up for at least six weeks. Is that correct. I believe I found out out through ambassador Taylor that the eight had been held up around. July eighteenth is when I when I heard originally and even though you searched for reasons you've never given a credible explanation is that right. That's right and no-one you spoke to thought that the age should be held to your knowledge. Is that right. I never heard anyone advocate for holding the aid and now by this point at the end of August it went public in the Ukrainians. Knew about it right. I believe there was some press reports you know presuming or who knows but I think at that point became sort of common knowledge that everything might betide together and in fact presidents Alinsky brought it up at that September. First Meeting with Vice President Pence that you're at right I don't know if he brought it up specifically uh-huh but asked where the aid was I think was more I think he he sort of asked again very vague recollection. Because I don't have a readout of the of the bilateral darrelle meeting. But why don't I have my check. Essentially and you you understood that Ukrainians received no credible explanation. Is that right. I certainly didn't couldn't give them one so this kind of a two plus two week. Four conclusion that you reached pretty much the only logical conclusion to you that given all of these factors that the aid was also a part of this quid pro quo. Yep Now I want to go back to that conversation that you had vice president pence right before that meeting in Warsaw and you indicated that you said to him that you were concerned that the delay in the aid was tied to the issue investigations. Right I I don't know exactly what I said to him. This was a briefing attended by many people and I was invited at the very last minute. I wasn't scheduled to be there but I think I spoke up at some some point late in the meeting and said it looks like everything is being held up until these statements get made. And that's my personal belief vice president pence just nodded his head. I again I don't recall any exchanger where he asked me any questions I think he was sort of a duly noted. Well he didn't say Gordon. What are you talking about now? He did not. He didn't say what investigations he did. Not Now after this meeting. You discussed this pull aside. You had with Mr Year mark where you relayed your belief that they needed to announce these investigations prior to the aid being released. Is that right. I said I didn't didn't know exactly why. But this could be a reason. And obviously you had been speaking with Mr earmarked for quite a while about a public announcement of these investigations right. We had all been working on toward that end. So you indicated to him that in addition to the White House meeting security aide was now also involved in that I as I said I said it could have been involved. Yes now I'm gonNA show you another text exchange. You had on September first. Where Ambassador Taylor says to you? Are we now saying that security assistance and White House. I've meeting are conditioned on investigations. And you respond. Call Me Ambassador Taylor recalls that he did call you and you did have a conversation. And in that conversation you told ambassador Taylor that the announcement and of these investigations by Presidents Alinsky needed to be public and that that announcement was conditioned end on that announcement would ultimately release the aid. Do you recall that conversation with embassador Taylor again. My conversation with embassador Taylor. My conversation with Senator Johnson were all my personal belief just based on as you put it. Two plus two equals equals four. Well in that in his testimony ambassador Taylor says that you said that president trump had told you that he wanted presidents Alinsky to to state publicly as of September. I do you have any reason to doubt ambassador. Taylor's testimony which he said was based on his meticulous contemporaneous contemporaneous notes. President trump never told me directly that the aid was conditioned on the meetings. The only thing we got directly from Giuliani was that the response in two thousand sixteen elections were conditioned on the White House meeting. The aid was my my own personal guests based again on your analogy. Two plus two equals four. So you didn't talk to president trump when ambassador. Basset Taylor says that that's what you told him. Is that your testimony here. My testimony is I never heard. From president trump that aid was conditioned on an announcement announcement of elections. So you never heard those specific words Iraq right but never heard those words and let's move ahead because you have another conversation sation in in a little bit later that both Tim Morrison and Ambassador Taylor Recount but in this September prefers conversation ambassador. Taylor also says that testified under oath that you said that president trump wanted Zilenski in public box. Do you recall using that expression yet. Goes back to my earlier comment. That again. Coming from the Giuliani source because we we didn't discuss this specifically with President trump that they wanted whatever commitments Ukraine made to be made publicly so that they would be on the record and be held old more accountable. Whatever those commitments were you also testified investor? Taylor rather testified that you told him that you had made a mistake. In telling rolling Ukrainians that only the White House meeting was conditioned on the announcement of the investigations and that in fact everything was including the security assistance. Do you remember saying that when I referenced a mistake I what I recall was I thought that. A statement made by the new Ukrainian Ukrainian prosecutor that these investigations would be started up again or commence would be sufficient to satisfy Mr Giuliani slash president trump. As I recall my mistake was someone came back through Volker otherwise and said No. It's not GonNa do if the prosecutor Peter makes these statements. The president wants to hear it from Dolinsky directly. That's the mistake I think I made. Do you have any reason to question ambassador. Taylor's testimony based based on his meticulous and careful contemporaneous notes. I'M NOT GONNA question or not question. I'm just telling you what I believe I. I was was referring to let me fast fast forward a week and show you another text exchange which may help refresh your recollection on September eighth. You had a you. Send a text to ambassador Taylor Taylor and Ambassador Volker. Can you read what you wrote their guys multiple condos with celeski protests. Let's talk and so this September Eighth at eleven twenty in the morning uh-huh and ambassador Taylor responds immediately. Now is fine with me. And if we could go to the next exchange ambassador Taylor then fifteen minutes later says is Gordon and I just spoke with twenty minutes later rather I can brief you if you Gordon. Don't connect speaking to embassador Volker. Then ambassador Taylor an hour later. Peter says the nightmare is they give the interview and don't get the security assistance the Russians love it and I quit. You would agree that in this text message after you had spoken that earlier. An hour earlier with ambassador Taylor that he is linking security assistance to this interview this public announcement. The president's Alinsky is that right absolutely and in fact ambassador. Taylor testified that you did have a conversation with him at that point and he did and that you told him that just as your text message indicates you did have a conversation with president trump prior to that text message rush. Does that help to refresh your recollection that you in fact spoke to president trump. At that time again I don't recall president trump ever talking to me about any security assistance. Ever what this tells me refreshing. My memory is that by the eighth of September it was it was abundantly really clear to everyone that there was a link and that we were discussing the chicken and egg issue of should the Ukrainians go out on a ledge and make the statement that president trump wanted them to make and then they still don't get their White House House visit in their aid. That would be really bad for our credibility. I think that's what he's referring to. So you do acknowledge you spoke to president trump as you indicated in that attacks right if I said I did I did and that after that conversation use were still under the impression that the aid was contingent on these public public announcements. I did not get that from president trump but I was under the impression that absolutely it was content. Well you weren't dissuaded then right because you still thought that the aid was conditioned addition on the public announcement of the investigations after speaking to President Trump by September eighth I was absolutely convinced it was and president. Trump did not dissuade you. I love that in the conversation that you acknowledge you had with him. I don't ever recall because that would have changed. My entire calculus of president trump had told me directly. I'm I'm not asking him. I'm just saying you still believed that. The security assistance was conditioned on the investigation. After you spoke to President Trump yes serrano from a timeframe standpoint. Yes Ambassador Taylor also testified that Mr Morrison both of them testified you told them that president trump said there was no quid pro quo which you also included in that text message that you referred but then you went on and they had let's light variations as to what you told them. But then you said that to ambassador Taylor that presidents Linski himself not the prosecutor general needed. It's a clear things up in public or there would be a stalemate and Mr Morrison recounted something similar. You don't have any reason to doubt that. Both of their very similar recollections of the conversations they had with you. Do you ambassador Sunland. Let me break that down. Mr Goldman the text as I said about the no quid. Pro Quo was my effort to respond to ambassador. Taylor's concerns to go to president trump. Apparently Ambassador Taylor had access to Secretary Pompeo he did not have access to president trump. So I made the phone call. I said what do you want. President didn't trump responded with what I put in the text. And then I strongly encouraged ambassador Taylor to take it up with the secretary and he responded minded. I agree when I said that as far as the other part of your question relating to whether or not the prosecutor securer could make the statement or Zilenski could make the statement. I don't recall who told me whether it was volker whether it was Giuliani or whether it was president trump trump. It's gotta be Zelenskaya can't be the prosecutor but that's what I related. Whoever I got that information from I relate that to I believe both Mr or or excuse me ambassador Taylor and to Mr Morrison but as of September ninth you understood did you? Not that president trump either himself or through his agents required required that presidents Alinsky make a public announcement of the two investigations that president trump cared about in order to get both the White House meeting and and to release the Security Assistance Zachary. I believe that is correct. Chairman you back conclude are forty five minutes. I now recognize Mr Noon this okay. Why don't we take five or ten minute break? Thank you okay. So they're taking a five minute break. It's it's been a long time. The the I guess the the newest information is that Gordon Sunlen through just about every single senior member of the foreign policy and national security apparatus rattus under the bus. He made it quite clear that Mike Pompeo knew exactly what he was doing. He might quite clear that John Bolton knew what he was doing doing and wonders begins to make sense as to why John Bolton was so urgent to get to get there and be the guy to speak. He's one of the few people who was trying to get the The committee to call him to come and speak in front of it but he was trying trying to look for the cover of being compelled by court Mike Palm. Heo was fully aware of what he was doing. So apparently apparently wasn't morrison and feeling a hill and the but names. I haven't even heard of Sunland. I went to great lengths to make it to attempt to assert that he did not know that Burris MMA meant Biden which is consistent with. What Volker did yesterday I guess it's conceivable that the only person who knew that Investigate Burris MMA was code for investigate. The Biden's was Rudy Giuliani and Donald Trump and down and trump blew it for everybody by saying it on a call that was transcribed but that seems highly unlikely particularly since we have the testimony. That's GONNA come tomorrow. Oh of David. Holmes who is sitting with Sunland the day after the phone call in July uh-huh and sunland according to home said he just wants to Biden's investigated now I don't know how homes is low level apparatchiks ratchet would have any idea that. That's what Rudy Giuliani and Donald Trump wanted without hearing it from in his I guess Superior Sunland and I have a feeling. That's exactly what what they were what they're setting setting up here. I mean homes is going to testify to this tomorrow. I think Son Lindh's attorney is probably said like look as long as you keep saying. You don't remember on this account you you don't take notes. You're probably safe. You've given them enough. That they will not come after you. And but the whole argument that there's no quid pro quo by the Republicans would sort of hurt by Sunland. Sunland saying there was a quid pro quo Devon Nunez. It felt like in his opening had not read the public release. I mean the so literally at the moment that Devin Nunes started started his opening remarks. NBC tweeted out that it had the opening statements of sunlit and it wasn't complete but it was enough that you saw him say I've heard reports where people argue whether there's a quid pro quo let me say yes. There was a quid pro quo like literally that's tweedy said. And then he went on to say everybody knew what I was doing there was no irregulars. We were all regulars. He threw rudy under the bus the most but he told that. And meanwhile devin nunes is saying. You'RE GONNA you're here is the fall guy and and There's no quid pro quo. We've never heard anybody say there's a quid pro quo. It's I think I suspect that at Adam Schiff really really. I mean you could see it. Where after the after Sunlen delivered delivered his testimony? It looked like Adam. Schiff was one of those moments. I think everybody has had those where you're just like. Musk control mouth. Do not have huge smile here because Nunez walked right into it walked. Walked right into this buzzsaw. Now I imagine Nunez. We'll we'll talk more about The dossier in his questioning questioning of of Sunland and then you'll hear Castro Let's hear what Well we're not we're not hearing it but Adam Schiff is out out there. He is basically you know. Look there's a political process. Of course he is out there making sure that he can characterize that testimony smart to take those five minutes Of the White House meeting of the Security Assistance to get the deliverable present one at these two political investigations. That he believed would help us. Reelection campaign campaign was basic quid pro quo. It was the conditioning of official acts for something of great value to the president. These political investigations instigations. It goes right to the heart of the issue of bribery as well as other potential high crimes or misdemeanors but we also have I heard for the first time that knowledge of this scheme was pervasive. The Secretary of state was aware of it. The Acting Chief of staff was aware of it and of course at the very top Donald Trump through his personal lawyer and others was implementing it And so this I think only only goes to underscore just how significant the president's obstruction of this investigation has been We now can see the veneer has been torn away just why Secretary Pompeo and President Donald Trump do not want any of these documents provided to Congress because apparently they show is a basket on his testified that the knowledge of this scheme to condition official acts White House meeting and four hundred million Lian insecurity assistants to an ally at war with Russia was conditioned on political favors. The president wanted for his reelection. So Bob. I think a very important moment in the history of this all right. I think what we should do is let's now reset the Reset the The video let's do it now as opposed to at noon even when it's going to be right in the middle of the Republican questioning of of of of him and we'll do that and we can do the ads and we'll do all that stuff and this'll be the The podcast today okay. So let's can we start that. Can we create a new event. Folks we're going to we're going to shut off in about About sixty seconds. We're GONNA shut off for about thirty seconds and then we'll come right back with this stuff. They all going to the bathroom or they come back into the room. Someone only goes to the bathroom now with the whole cadre if people just let's wait until we're ready to go So you know. We're we're sort of freelancing dancing here last night the hearings with Volker and Morrison went late into the evening and one of the things that stood out for me for Morrison and you know we should pick check out those clips and we will what we intend to do is for tomorrow's Program to basically have highlights from The different testimonies that we've heard over the course of the week but the big one from Morrison yesterday Morrison is the National Security Adviser on Ukraine. Morrison is an interesting figure. He after the phone call went immediately to the SE lawyer to report the call just that it happened with according according to him for no other reason than just to say it happened and a very strange thing to do. If you work in a company that has compliance officers. I want you to contemplate. How many times have you gone to the compliance officer to say? Hey just here letting you know that we did a transaction transaction and there were no problems with it whatsoever for no reason. I just wanted you to know that this is also a guy who claims that he had planned to resign back in August a job that he got the sometime in June that was a rather prestigious position unclear. Why he he had made that decision to resign after that phone call? Incidentally according to his testimony Volcker Kerr also yesterday came out and said like I had no idea that Burris Memento Biden's and that seems to be essentially. What's what's going on? You had different people who were closer to the heart of the matter. Bill Taylor was on the outside of it. Sunlen was in the heart of it sending it out to all the extremities. As he is testified today people his superiors voelker was sort of somewhere between Taylor and Sunlen and I would be I mean it really does does appear that Volcker and Sunlen must have made some had some understanding that neither one of us are going to know what burris communes even though. We're taking Where we're instructed to go through Rudy Giuliani? Even though we're we're talking to our counterparts who have gotten the message from Rudy Giuliani our Ukrainian counterparts. The it never came up. We're led to believe that now. I think the reason why the Democrats are not pressing. That point with them is because they don't have to because at the the end of the day. Donald Trump said the biden's so they don't need to make that That point are we ready to shut down. Start back up okay. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA shut shutdown. We're going to start back up. Stick around we'll put a link in the existing Description of the existing video and will lead you right there to their foot. We'll be back in twenty seconds thirty seconds forty five.
Russia and Ukraine set for peace talks
"Ukraine's new president followed Amir. Linski is a former comedian with a new role to play negotiate. Peace with Russia. He's funny and a name. You shouldn't be funny and we should be fighting. Should be scary and is enough is not also today. It's been eight years. Since the Arab Spring and demonstrators across the Middle East are trying again. We've lived with for forty forty years the system in which they are put in place that sells has made the Mideast people's lives help plas- BARSCELONA has become one of Europe's top tourist draws visitors prop up the local economy. But they're also overrunning the place. There is a strong response from the community. That saying enough enough. I'm Marco warm and those stories are more today here on the world. I'm Marco Werman in your with the world good to have you with us. This Friday Vladimir meet Valona Mirror Vladimir Vladimir the presidents of Russia and Ukraine Vladimir Putin Vladimir Zielinski are set to hold their first face-to-face. Peace talks on Monday in Paris. They'll discuss a ceasefire in the long running conflict in eastern Ukraine between Ukraine's government forces and pro Russian rebels from Moscow. Charles Maine's has this preview of the upcoming summit for five years Ukraine's government has been locked in grinding battle with pro Russian separatists separatist in eastern Ukraine's Don boss region with more than thirteen thousand killed. When you go over that period the Kremlin has maintained contain? It is not involved in the war. The Russian soldiers rebranded as volunteers had joined in the fighting ski lay Ska European powers repeatedly the tried and failed to negotiate an end to the violence against that backdrop enters a newcomer below demere. Alinsky I do want to civil and US but STU comedic actor made famous for his role playing in accidental president on TV Zilenski when the real thing in a landslide victory earlier this year his central promise to voters to end the war. We're in east Ukraine night basis of bringing new not on by. It's a pledge that's opened up one stalled negotiations with the Kremlin on several small but important issues in September. The two sides agreed to a seventy person prisoner swap for sign of a thaw in relations. And then last month Russia returned three. Ukrainian naval vessels had seized a year before the gesture that turned sour after Kiev accused Moscow of stripping the vessels into disrepair yet Russian polls show as Alinsky effect as Russian. Attitudes hardened by Kremlin Kremlin propaganda. Demonizing Ukraine have begun to soften Zelinski television performances conducted in the native Russian. Grew up with haven't heard either says Boris Kagarlitsky Verlinsky a sociologist at the Moscow School of Economic and Social Sciences. There are millions of people in Russia. Who saw these performances in movies and and who loved that who laughed at his jokes? He's funny and we shouldn't be funny. And then we should be frightening. Should be the scary and is not but the smiles. Don't extend to the Donnas on boss with Ukraine still looking to regain control over territory loss to pro Russian rebels and Russia insisting increased Tommy for the self-proclaimed independent the republics of dinette Skin Luhansk lingering territorial dispute makes any attempt by Ukraine to join the EU or NATO all but dead on arrival meanwhile Zilenski Linski faces other political challenges. His efforts to make peace with Moscow have alienated militant forces at home. Like the nationalist right sector movement the president while his cameo role in the impeachment inquiry. We're in Washington has put US support for Ukraine in question just wins Alinsky needs it most given the complexities. Both sides are hinting and agreement to deliver Russian Oil Dylan gas through Ukraine to Europe or a second prisoner swap may prove the easier deliverable from these Paris peace talks smaller but important steps towards rebuilding trust and a tacit acknowledgement that Ukraine Russia remained locked. His neighbors whether they like it or not for the World Charles Maine's Moscow. The impeachment story in Washington shined a light on an uncomfortable subject for Ukraine and that's corruption Ukrainian see it in the halls of government at the doctor's office even at the university versity. If you study you can pay money and have a license plates. And it's not a problem here. The fight against corruption in Ukraine. We'll have that story on Monday. Women's safety is still a serious problem India but an incident just today shows how troubling dealing with it can be police in southern India. Took four men back to the scene of a crime the brutal rape and murder of a young veterinarian according to police a suspects attempted to seize their weapons and the police shot and killed the form in Davina Gupta is host to the BBC's Work Life India program so what we know so far is the version from the police commissioner Mishna in the southern city of Hedera Bod and he has told the BBC that they took the accused therefore accused to the crime scene to reconstruct the sequence so events early morning and they attacked the police officers with stones and sticks. They snatched weapons from two of the officers and in the scuffled. Two Cups were injured They waited for fifteen minutes and asked the accused to surrender after which they shorted them. Now this is the version from the police and human rights activists and Amnesty International has called an extra judicial killing they are also demanding an inquiry into what what exactly happened at the scene of crying. And what what stands. In contrast Marco is how this action actually has been celebrated. Almost two thousand people gathered at that site. They were shouting slogans Jerry in the cops hoisting them on the shoulders. Showering them with flop capitals in fact In the neighborhood of the Wickham sweets were distributed. Many people burn fire crackers and the hill the response of the cops. It's symbolic of how the public faith has eroded in the judicial system in India. All those details very confusing. How certain can the police police be that they got the actual perpetrators and that's a very good question? And the only way one could have a certain that was if they were given a fair chance at trial. The case never reached that point. And you must understand. There was a huge public pressure on the police for botching up the investigation in the beginning when they did not register to the case on time and started to search for a missing girl The family of the victim had also complained to human rights activists claiming that the cops were are not synthetic when they tried to lodge a complaint and they lost precious time and After that has been a public outcry also condemning the inaction of police. So now there isn't any way of knowing whether these four people were picked up on suspicion human rights activists some of them even said that it is a possibility that they were picked up under pressure. Evidence could have been planted. The only way of knowing the truth was a fair trial. How common are these extra judicial killings? He so called encounter killings in in the past seven years. So at least I can tell you from two thousand twelve to now. Oh I haven't come across a case of an extrajudicial killing of this extent in a sexual violence case if anything else. There is a growing cry against police. He's appetite so you would see protest on the streets by a lot of activists against police apathy but police taking law in their own hands in this manner as as some would call it is not that common but and a popular media. It has been mentioned quite a few times. You would see a policeman this man who's portrayed in Bollywood films who is daring cop. Who's not afraid of doing extrajudicial killing because he knows that the justice will be he delayed if it goes to court and this is the time he needs to take law into his own hands and he would take pride in doing so and that that kind of Bollywood image was again seen in social media? Today when people were talking about these cops who had taken this action Davina Gupta host of the BBC's work-life India program. Speaking with us from Delhi thank you very much. Thank you Michael in Sudan. It is a new dawn. Prime Minister Abdullah Hamdard is just one hundred days into his job this this week. The trump administration announced that its naming an ambassador to Sudan. The first one in twenty years Hamdan also became the first Sudanese government leader to visit Washington in thirty thirty years. Here he is yesterday talking peace at the Atlantic Council in Washington this positive thinking and positive energy would be able to Dicko to continue somewheres. That's always hippies. It's a striking contrast with earlier this year. When a civilian uprising brought down longtime dictator Omar Al-Bashir the the military quickly fill the void killing more than one hundred protesters in just one day? That was June third. The result now is a quasi civilian military council missile with Prime Minister. Hamdan heading it. We're cautiously optimistic. I mean every decision taken so far it's been met with agreement with approval by the people people by the public which says a lot Dahlia Abdul. Monem is a Baker who has been active in the street protests for democracy in Sudan. I mean they are taking the correct correct steps into integrating back into the international scene so to speak. Because we've been a pariah state for so long economically we need help. We need investment. And this can't be done if we still continue to be shunned to the side and even domestically at home. He's you know they've taken steps. They've repealed failed the public order law. It was just a way to subjects us to this policing of our bodies of our minds in every way shape possible. They've dissolved the former regime party and they're taking steps to clean up the media so to speak because for so long. The media in Sudan was so controlled by the former regime and its allies. The pariah state that is Sudan. You call the depressed state. Is that because of the dictator former dictator Omar Al-Bashir and if that is the case there's something about Hambach himself that gives you hope the former regime of alert Bashir aligned itself with entities and parties like Bin Laden for example. You know that for a lot of other states they were seen this problematic so of course no to rectify all of that. It's it's not gonNA happen overnight and we do have faith in Hamdan because he's a civilian technocrat. It's a former U. N. employees and he is civilian end of the day. He he has no allegiance to the army and that to us is vital. I mean the majority of the government is not military. It's hard not to think of the cautious optimism Egypt fell to right after the Arab spring in two thousand eleven and yet after an election the military there is stepped in and took over what what is different in Sudan. And what are the lessons that you've learned from places like Egypt. Okay well first of all. We haven't pushed for elections immediately. After the revolution we have a three year transitionary period and basically allows us like get a firm footing. It allows us to transition from an era of being dominated by autocrat by dictator into moving something hopefully multiparty parliamentary system. Second of all we don't trust the army we never have never never will so we still keep a bdi on the army to make sure we're still telling them we're watching you. I mean there was. There was a protest. Massport is a few days ago. You know in memory of the six month anniversary of the Ino when they signed Transitionary government's agreement and as always we observed what has happened. The region around with us for that has happened in Egypt. What had happened in Libya? What's happening in Syria? You know so you. Can you learn you learn from the mistakes. So you're you're a Baker Dalia and these protests over the past year a lot of it stems from a poor economy and actually the price of bread triggered much of the protests. Initially how much of those the problems that ignited things how much they really changed. Nothing much has changed in terms of the economy. I mean the dollar exchange rate is still sky. I I mean day to day. Living is near impossible for the majority of the population immune needs. It's a dire state but the people are willing to put up with it knowing knowing that all they've done all they've gone for all the photos all those who've lost their lives who are not in vain. It wasn't for nothing W as you pointed out this transition period is three years. That's pretty long three years until the first democratic elections in Sudan. Do you think the Transitional Council will endure with civilians and military until Colin. I really don't know I mean so far. I mean as we had like you said it's only been one hundred days so far as of yet the military seems to have taken a back seat so to speak in a way so I guess they've realized you know if we carry on this transitional period. We will get to where we all want to get to but anything could derail this half I mean anything could happen Dahlia up tool menam. Tom is a Sudanese activist and Baker. She's been speaking with us from Khartoum. Thank you very much thank you. You're with the world I'm Marco Werman. You're with the world. It's been eight years since uprisings fanned across the Middle East. The so-called Arab spring protesters took up to the streets by the hundreds of thousands and toppled dictator's millions. More call for change through social media. They all demanded freedom and a new start but they're high hopes for for democratic middle. East have not materialized most of the region quickly lurch back towards repression and war the grievances that drove the two thousand eleven uprisings. Though are still still there so maybe we should say we're now. In round to the Arab autumn there have been big mainly peaceful protests in Lebanon which led to the resignation of their prime minister. Activists in Egypt have also stepped up but were stopped with tear. Gas and bullets demonstrations in Iraq and Iran ended with much bloodshed and hundreds killed although Iraqis his as in Lebanon saw their prime minister. Step down the BBC's Jeremy Bowen has been trying to make sense of it all and begins his report in Lebanon's capital they route here in the center of Beirut it feels less like big urgent series of demonstrations right now more like the long haul. These are people who say they are determined to bring change to that country. However long it's GonNa take and it might take a long time? It's getting done a little bit chilly. And they've lit some fires here in the tented camp lined with Giovanni pick out a young woman who's being prominent in the demonstrations from the very beginning. What's the first step that needs to be taken back that's The slightest change one. You know when we pay our taxes. WE WON'T NASTY THE TAXES COMING BACK TO US in water. Electricity medical medical needs the simple things. Simple string field where you stand up. You started challenging. Everybody response. John's back when we scheme like October solve. ESOL and people scream back. It's great aerobic for revolution across the Middle East. New protests are clogging streets and rattling regime's attempts at demonstrations in Egypt tipped were crushed before they really began by a revitalized police state in Lebanon Iraq Algeria and Iran people have taken to the streets meets. Mostly they young. More than sixty percent of the population of the Middle East is under thirty. There're local grievances and others. That cross borders. They see hot live stretching before them while politically leads. Keep the money and the power. We've lived with his political Florida for four years. The system him and wish they have put in place. Itself has made Lebanese people's lives. How Elliott has who's twenty four is fed up with Lebanon's leaders? Some of whom started did that careers as warlords in the seventies and eighties. I think we have for the first time a feeling of a feeling of solidarity as the municipal and it goes beyond the typical cliches F- coexistence and now I can hang out with my friends and my question never even even beyond that we have normalized each other's presence for the first time since the civil war that that John Means the people the full of the regime and it was the I suppose you could say it was the soundtrack of the uprisings in twenty eleven one that started in Tunisia move right through to Egypt and Libya and Syria and beyond and was the vessel for high hopes AP's sadly for the people came to bury level. It's not clear whether these new protests will be anymore successful full enforcing change the ones that failed in twenty eleven. Only Tunisia from that year of protesters managed some New Democracy Syria Libya and Yemen slid into wars that continued so far since October. The protests in Lebanon have been mostly peaceful. It's the opposite in Iran in the last few weeks. The regime has used deadly force to crush the most serious sundress since the Islamic Revolution for two years ago killing perhaps two hundred people in Iraq to hundreds mostly young men have been shot dead. Some were killed protesting against Iraq's alliance with Iran. They're risking everything because they're desperate here in Lebanon Monday worried about their own futures but look at Iraq with horror. Well I'm outside the very heavily defended Iraqi embassy in Beirut blast. I walls loads of paramilitary police with guns as a small demonstration in solidarity with all those people who've been victims of the very severe and bloody crackdown. Wii here today because The scenes rain it broke my heart. We've seen coffins on the streets by Iraqi cities all of young Iraqis who just went to the streets to demand basic. Nick demands to live better country. Free of of munitions and here living on. We also are protesting in the streets. Asking thank Laura Vitton life in our country free of any foreign interference and this is where we need to join some geopolitical dots. You could say there are two camps in the Middle East. One is team America it includes Saudi Arabia and Israel. The other is team Iran Iran. It includes the Assad regime in Syria Iraq and the most powerful group here in Lebanon has bulla Iran projects x power through its allies. The Iranian regime has built a status quo that it likes and it doesn't demonstrators trying to change it but this is a petrol station in Beirut there are a couple of hundred men at least around the place carrying containers hoping to get some fuel but they're and not getting it making them pretty angry they are bashing their prostate containers now but their heads are getting frayed on the course yes I met Rania Nassir. Al Deen car had run out of petrol and she wanted to get home to her twelve year. Old Daughter Rania grew up in the civil war in the nineteen seventies seventeen and eighteen and like many Lebanese. She's fed up with sectarianism here. Sectarian system it's a way of keeping keeping things equal equal balanced. But if you try and change things is there a risk that it becomes unbalanced and that could be dangerous for the country array seeking for the change you have to have a good and brave heart onto face. Whatever is going to happen as if you are gambling? You know you have have to take the risk to gain. If you don't take the risk you will say as you are. The music of the greatest racist Lebanese singer Fairuz serenade protests in Beirut in Martyr Square had across the region this deep seated anger among mainly young people Cole who want to sweep away discredited inept and corrupt leaders on top of it all the protests that complexity and danger to what is already the world's most turbulent region. Another storm is brewing in the Middle East and that was the BBC's Jeremy Bowen you're listening to the world two years ago the largest cyber attack in history brought Ukraine to it's knees hit Ukraine essentially carpet could bomb. That's Internet took down three hundred companies hospitals government agencies airports and then immediately spread to the rest of the world Russia's Tesla for cyber warfare. That's still to come on the world. I'm Marco Werman this is the world where a CO production of the BBC World Service W. G. B. H. Boston and PR X.. Customized Lamborghini's exotic cats three hundred thousand dollar weddings earnings. Those are just some of the things members of criminal cyber gang were able to afford to after getting rich from orchestrating some of the biggest cyber theft campaigns of the decade that's all according to officials in the US and the UK who've announced charges against two of its Russian members. Here's the world's Lydia mentally. Do their name. I'm is Evil Corp authorities have described them as the world's most harmful cybercrime group and yesterday the US Department of Justice announced criminal charges against their suspected ringleader. His name is Maxime Yackobitz. He's thirty two a Russian national who lives in Moscow. Here's Sir Brian Bench. Hausky who heads the Department of Justice's Criminal Division. He was speaking at a press conference yesterday. Yaacob that's is a true twenty-first-century Criminal who with the stroke of a key in the click of a mouse committed cybercrimes across the globe. He's earned his place on the F. B. I.'s list of the world's most I wanted cyber criminals according to officials yok obits employed dozens of people to run his operations from cafe basements in Moscow. They say that his criminal cyber gang used Mao aware to hack into the computers of some three hundred organizations in forty three three countries and they described their taxes indiscriminate they went after school district banking institutions small businesses and stole hundreds hundreds of millions of dollars over the past decade Yaacob Edson the members of his criminal network devised and implemented the kinds of criminal schemes so audacious Che's and sophisticated that they would be difficult to imagine if they were real. The charges announced this week are for alleged attacks here in the US less Evil Corp went after a dairy company in Ohio. A luggage storing New Mexico even an order of nuns. Each and every one of these computer intrusions was effectively. A Cyber Naval Bank robbery a second Russian national named eager to our chef was also indicted for us based attacks authorities in the UK where Evil Corp is accused of stealing hundreds of millions worked with US officials on this investigation videos it was released by the. UK's National Crime Agency show the lavish lifestyle Yackobitz and his associates apparently enjoyed thanks to the money. They allegedly allegedly stole a lifestyle Rob Jones Director of the agency's crime unit described as trash rich false 'cause behaving and acting like very flamboyant and extravagant millionaires. One of these videos shows a custom-made Lamborghini allegedly owned by by Yackobitz. Doing donuts in a parking lot. The car is Cammo patterned and has a personalized plate that translates as fief authorities. Say another video shows Jacobi pursing Pat Lion Cub. And then there's a photo that shows him celebrating at his three hundred thousand dollar wedding. It's unlikely that either of the two indicted men will show up in a US courtroom. They're both in Russia Anthanetis don't expect them to be extradited but they're offering a five-million-dollar reward for information that leads to the arrest of Yackobitz for the world. I'm Lydia mainly due in two thousand fourteen and again in two thousand seventeen. The world largely ignored the largest cyber attack in history. It crippled Ukraine's Power Grid A and major industries. Andy Greenberg did not ignore the incident. He's a senior writer with wired and author of the new book. Sand worm a new era of cyber war and the hunt for the Kremlin's most dangerous hackers. His book tells the story of how the attacks were trace back to a mysterious Russian state-sponsored hacking group the first hints. It's of the kind of malevolence of the single hacker group known as Saint Worm. Were these attacks. In Ukraine that first hits media companies and government agencies agencies and private sector industry in Ukraine. I destroying lots of computers hundreds of computers but then culminating in December of two thousand fifteen with the first ever blackout blackout triggered by hackers and this was a really insidious attack that actually took over the mouse. Movements of the operators inside of a control room in western Ukraine and turning off the power ultimately to a quarter million Ukrainian civilians. This happened again a year later. The same hacker group this time with an automated piece of our caused a blackout in the capital of Kiev. So I spoke to these detectives as you say these security researchers who are following these attacks trying to warn the world that what was happening in in Ukraine was a kind of Russian test lab for Cyber War. How do you know that San worm is kind of engineered by Russia? The very first sandwich sand worm attacks in two thousand fourteen that point. The group is a little bit less skilled at covering its tracks. They left to open a server that had a Russian language how to file for using one of their pieces of malware. Then we could see that. This one group was doing very sophisticated state sponsored attacks just as Russia was engaged in physical invasion of Ukraine in. And see the Crimean Peninsula but it took years for any government to call out what Russia was doing in Ukraine. It took years for standard to even be named by the the US government or the UK government for anyone to say this is not okay even as these hackers just crossed one red line after another so before it emerged that this was San weren't in behind this As he said two blackouts in Ukraine. How damaging was that to the country? One of the first people I talked to was Alexia. Since who is a security eighty researcher who had been tracking these attacks December of two thousand sixteen. He was sitting in his home in northern Kiev when the power went out and he sensed almost immediately that this was the work of the same hackers that he had been tracking and it was as if they'd reached out from the Internet into his own home and he described that as being very chilling and very personally affecting all of these attacks were just parts of waves that were destroying entire networks of private companies and government agencies and these attacks culminated in this climactic thicke attack in two thousand seventeen called Petiot. This virulent automated spreading code hit Ukraine essentially carpet bomb. That's Internet took down. Three hundred companies hospitals government agencies airports and then immediately spread to the rest of the world and so not petty took down Maersk. The world's largest shipping firm took on Merck Pharmaceutical Masud Company Fedex for each of these companies. It did hundreds of millions of dollars in damages. This was the worst cyberattack in history. What is Russia's motivation in this seems like the the larger motivation of sand worm and Russia in these attacks is to demoralize Ukraine? This is a way. For Russia to project its power beyond that military front to show Ukrainians that they are not safe to make them lose confidence in their governments. How can countries do in response will like a Cold War style? If you attack us we attack you deterrence be effective. I think what we need to do what we've really. The failed to do is to set. Rules for sanctions indictments criminal justice kind of war. Crime Model for instance when one source Josh Corman. who used to be at the Atlantic Council he described kind of no fly zone for cyber war where you could say sure you can? You can attack military targets but if you touch a hospital that's a war crime and you're going to end up in the Hague Andy. Greenberg senior writer for wired and the author of sand worm a new era of cyber war. The hunt for the Kremlin's most dangerous hackers. Andy thanks for your time they start talking to be markle. The world's most important climate conference is happening in Madrid. DRID COP twenty-five shorthand for the United Nations Twenty Fifth Conference of the parties teen climate activists. Timberg finally arrived today. Hordes of people treated the sixteen year old Swedish climate activists like a Rockstar. But she's not in Madrid to entertain the climate crisis is still being ignored by those in power and we can't go on like this. It is not the sustainable tune. Burger arrived in Europe after hitching. A ride right on a private sailboat. From the United States she wanted to travel emissions free to the climate summit. Not because she thinks everyone should but to send a message that living sustainably needs needs to become easier in our day to day lives at a news conference to Enberg said she hopes this year's climate talks will lead to something concrete really gaining momentum in Sweden Sweden we are getting bigger and bigger and our voices are being held more and more but of course that does not translate late into political action but we we continue. It was a rough journey for Timberg to get Spain. She had to scramble to find a boat after a last minute. Change of venue. The climate summit had been scheduled for Chile but antigovernment protesters choking the streets of Santiago meant a different city for the summit was needed out of the the frying pan into the fire because now protests in Europe are complicating low-carbon traveled to Madrid sale. I'm supposed to be in Madrid on Monday. Reporter Rachel Waldholtz is is heading to Madrid to cover the conference for us. She's based in Berlin and was planning to take a train through France but France is ongoing. Labor strike is snarling. Rail travel I got an email mel yesterday that my train to Paris has been canceled. There might be other trains running but no guarantee so. Wish me luck. Good Luck Rachel will get you to Madrid one way or another. Let's stay in Spain and had to Barcelona now. The Mediterranean port city has become one of Europe's hottest tourist destinations in 2018. The eighteen more than fifteen million people visited Barcelona and spent around fourteen billion dollars but all those visitors are taking a toll on the people who actually live there. Lucia Bellavia days in. Barcelona has a story about a group of local activists who are fighting back in the main dining room of nineteenth century building on the outskirts of Barcelona. A few dozen People Watch two women play the guitar and saying more than a dozen activists have been taking turns living there since March. They're protesting a private companies plans to demolish the building and put up a luxury the hotel. This neighborhood is far from the city centre. Were tourists flock. There aren't any hotels here yet but the tourism the industry is beginning to spill over into the residential neighborhoods. Out If gay custodio gives me a tour of the building building called Gaza window seitis. She shows me all around the Sun Room which was designed by a famous Catalan architect. The panoramic views from the Sun Room. Mr Breathtaking the art nouveau glass panels let visitors look out over the city. Very few on The best though. That's the your says. The occupation is a political statement. The activists want this building to continue serving the local community as it has for more than one hundred years. Casa Wena site is served many functions including a university dorm and a hospital during the nineteen thirties. Spanish civil war but the place has been empty since two thousand eleven when a retirement home run by a Catholic entity closed the property owners want to sell to a hotel developer L. Uper and have initiated judicial process to kick the squatters out. Castio was a social worker says squatting. What's her last resort won't finish but in two thousand seventeen? A group of neighbors tried to buy Gaza side as for around two point. Seven million dollars lers with the idea of converting it into a community center but the offer was rejected. It wasn't enough money who's barriers. Because if we don't want people to be driven out of their neighborhoods Gusty your tells me if a luxury hotel goes up. She says local shops will start catering to tourists instead. The building's owners turned away multiple interview requests and the company that wants to demolish. The building. Hasn't officially really made the purchase. So says it won't comment seventy eight year old motto. Salmon Dahlia has lived down the street St from Gaza when aside is since the nineteen sixties. I met her walking up the hilly street with bags of groceries. If at any which I which which are the intimate La Guardia precare. She says this building has long been a cultural hub in the neighborhood. She spent many years attending events at Castawano Seitis or strolling through its gardens which were open to the public. It's it'll only bring more trouble. She says about the plans to turn it into a luxury hotel. And while she doesn't support the illegal squatting in a building. She says she'd rather have the protesters there then tourists. The owners must be no Taylor. That's Janet Sons Barcelona's Deputy Mayor for ecology urban planning and mobility. She says celona needs more affordable housing not more hotels. You can get stuff you divide if you'd ask them. There is a strong response from the community. That saying enough enough still. The city's economy relies heavily on vacation dollars and euros coming in science recognizes this but says while the city benefits it's from its international appeal. It's important to keep the tourism market under control and prioritize residents of providers with there are hot condos private companies community and the local government world. Together we come fewer out. What's best for Barcelona most from Gaza as Lalo? No no Seitis Neighborhood Activists Gusta your are less hopeful though Cisco's with any monkeying around with if we organize as as a neighborhood she says we're going to reach a compromise. That serves everyone by that. She hopes that will send the message that the tourism industry can't do whatever they want whenever they want for the world. The navy this by Taylor now in Rome a major sports newspaper is facing some backlash clash. Yesterday's edition of Corriere dello sport preview. Today's match between two Italian Teams Inter Milan and Roma the newspaper headline yesterday in all caps Red Black Friday in English photos just underneath clued readers in two players of African descent each on both teams. It's the worst from from Beta. I've ever seen it has it has to be I don't work in in your Line of business for a while. That was all gone associate manager of Manchester United cited in the UK. His outrage echoed by fans across social media. The two black athletes are Chris mauling born in London of Jamaican descent and Romolo Lukaku born in Belgium to Congolese parents smiling and Lukaku tweeted their reaction. They said it was dumb to focus on race instead of the game. The Corriere dello Sport Award newspaper defended itself. Today's headline reads somewhat puzzlingly. Who are you calling racist? It was quiet except for the sound of Cameras Clicking Gang German Chancellor Angela Merkel Walk Through the metal gates of Auschwitz. Today Marc Merkel's first visit to the Nazi death camp camp in Poland. The site where over one million people were murdered. The vast majority of them Jewish Mirko laid a wreath at the Black Wall or death wall where thousands were executed. Did she spoke about what it was like to be there as a German in on me it is anything but easy to stand here before you and to speak to you. I'm filled with deep. Shame in the face of the ball. Barrick crimes committed here by Germans. Crimes are unfathomable that defy our imagination. A nation and are inconceivable Merkel's visit coincided with the tenth anniversary of the Auschwitz Birkenau Foundation which manages the memorial at the site Holocaust Lacoste survivor. Big Don Bark Makovsky spoke to the crowd. He was a child when he first arrived. Forty four giant. It is it that we can be free. When will be free in matron to campus Shamir? Gosh I would say well you want to be free. Can't you see these chimneys owners. This is how you get out you can only get down to those tax. There is no other way out. The chimneys of course who smoke contained ashes of the dead Merckel has visited other Nazi Ozzie concentration camps before. And she's not the first German chancellor to visit Auschwitz in nineteen seventy seven Helmut Schmidt the chancellor of then West Germany became the first high breaking German to do so. I can beat the odds and speaking at Auschwitz at the time Schmidt said this is a player that commands silence yet. I am certain the German chancellor cannot remain silent here since Schmidt other chancellors have spoken of Germany's responsibility Chancellor Helmet Kohl visited Auschwitz in nineteen eighty nine and again in one thousand nine hundred five now. So as Merkel but merckel confronts perhaps a different challenge in Germany than her predecessors. Search the rise of anti-semitism once again only months ago a gunman targeted a synagogue in the German city of Hala and killed two people outside. Angela Merkel was in attendance at a vigil for the debt off. There's also the rise of Germany's far-right all right party. The AFDC which has been accused of using anti Semitic rhetoric the AFC has won seats in parliament at Auschwitz. Today Merckel said Germans must stand against nationalism. Nationalism anti-semitism and intolerance inundated tune-in did often crimes to name the perpetrators and to maintain tena dignified. Memory of the victims is a never ending responsibility. It is not negotiable and it is an inseparable part of our country to be conscious of this. Responsibility is a firm part of our national identity. Wins One. That's two nine entity. As part of revisit merckel committed sixty million euros to the Auschwitz twits Birkenau Foundation movies make us think feel and can transport is to someplace new and unfamiliar. They can also push us to uncomfortable places a new film by Iranian filmmaker. Bizarre Sultani takes US inside a detention center on the border of Hungary and Serbia. That's where Soltani and is unarmed. have been stuck doc for almost a year Sultani made his film fish from inside the detention center as a way to cheer up his ten year. Old Son Fish is just premiered. Human Rights writes film festivals in Bratislav and Budapest. Here's the BBC's Nick Thorpe A small boy paints a bright yellow sun on the glass of his window then he paints birds flying high blue ocean waves then finally fish right to fish five and then he pulls up the blind through the window. We see shipping containers in an exercise yard surrounded by razor wire fence. Czar and arden father and some have been in the transit zone with several hundred other asylum-seekers since December two thousand eighteen resolve in a written question. Why he made the film fish about his son? He recorded his onset and sent sent to me. How Michelle all is yours? My son always drew his hopes and dreams and told me about them when things got hard to hear and when we were going to be deported to Iran he stopped drawing and talking about them. I was witnessing the death of his dreams so I had to keep his dreams alive because because my son is my hope and us. They entered Hungary legally after more than two years and subbiah moving up the waiting list to get into into the Hungarian transit zone. These are bobbed wiring. Cabins built into the board offense. The Hungarian government insists that this is not detention. The UN refugee agency and human rights groups disagreed under actually of the Hungarian Helsinki Committee. The Hungarian authorities try to deport his family back to Iran without ever assessing their asylum. Application on its married this practice empties out any assignment. Procedure and and boots people's lives in danger under law which came into force in July two thousand eighteen. The asylum claim of anyone who enters Hungary from subbiah can be dismissed dismissed as inadmissible because Hungary has declared Serbia a safe country but Serbia refuses to accept them back. So those who are rejected three hundred ninety six out of four hundred so far this year a stuck in limbo many in the pre deportation section of the camp and Shimon it's the Hungary spokesman of the UN refugee agency. As of today. There are over three hundred and fifty asylum seekers detained in the to translate zones at the Hungarian Serbian border. One hundred ninety four of them are children and among those children almost one hundred twenty have been detained for more than Hoffy. Coffee or and thirty four of them have been in detention for over a year. This is absolutely unacceptable inhuman and even the Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban explained his government's tough border controls in March this year. That's an international conference on Migration in beauty past zero zero there. We expend energy on the issue of how to integrate migrants. Because we don't need to integrate what we don't have an all. All our efforts are focused on keeping things this way. We don't have to live together with large masses of people who are civilization that different from the native populations and we. You want to preserve the situation. Mr Auburn says he's defending Christie in Europe from an influx of Muslims but one peculiarity of Abu Sarin his son's case. This is that that both Christians. They converted on their journey through Bulgaria. We asked the National Directorate. General Aliens Policing which runs the camp for comment and but they've not yet the BBC's Nick Thorp reporting there in Budapest. You can watch abuser sultanas film fish online on the BBC's website and that's a wrap for us today from the non and Bill Harris Studio at W. H. in Boston. I'm Marco Werman have yourselves a great weekend. The world is a CO production of Wgn W. G. B. H. Boston the B._B._C.. 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"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Jeanine herbst. The FBI says it hasn't made any arrests in connection with Friday's shooting at the naval. Airbase in Pensacola Florida Florida. The gunman killed three people before he was shot and killed and Veers Greg Allen reports. The number of Saudis. who were on base at the time of the shooting are being questioned? The gunman it was a twenty one year old member of the Royal Saudi Air Force on base for flight training the FBI says he legally purchased the nine millimeter Glock. Used in the shooting. Somewhere in Florida the agency. Let's see is withholding specifics. The also won't confirm reports that some Saudis on bass videotape shooting. FBI Special Agent in charge ritual Rojo says of the Saudis Training at Pits Cola have been restricted to base cooperating with authorities. I main goal right now is to confirm whether he acted alone. Four was he part of a larger network. We currently assess there was one gunman members of a joint terrorism task force or part the investigation but Rojo says the FBI has not yet settled on a motive for the gunman Greg Alan. NPR News Pensacola House. Judiciary Committee holds an impeachment. Hearing tomorrow into president trump's dealings with Ukraine to review evidence compiled by the House Intelligence Committee lawyers for both Republicans and Democrats will present their cases aces after the committee will decide whether it should move forward with articles of impeachment. A report from the Inspector General for the Department of Justice is expected to be released tomorrow about whether the FBI spied on President. Trump's campaign in two thousand sixteen trump maintains it did and peers. Gregory has more Michael Horowitz wits who is the Inspector General at the Justice Department has been spending a lot of the last two years looking into whether the FBI had legitimate reasons to go to the foreign foreign intelligence surveillance court in October of two thousand sixteen and get a warrant to surveilled Carter page. WHO's a foreign policy? Adviser was a foreign policy adviser during the trump campaign. Page is only one part of the bigger picture. But president trump in many supporters often point to the Carter page case and say this was part of what they're calling the a politically motivated witchhunt. NPR's Greg Murray a war. In e though roar in eastern Ukraine will be center stage in Paris Monday when the leaders of France Germany Erminie Russia and Ukraine. Sit Down to negotiate how to end the violence TERI Schultz has more more than fourteen. Thousand people have been killed in the ongoing war. In eastern Ukraine's Donbass region a conflict that rarely commence headlines Anymore but remains a hot war. French President Emmanuel Macron has taken the initiative to restart a dormant peace process called the Normandy format which brings the Russian and Ukrainian sides together along with Germany. All eyes are on. Ukrainian President Vladimir Zielinski Novice politician who be negotiating with his experienced experienced Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin Teri Schultz reporting Asian markets are trading higher at this hour. The Nikkei up nearly half percent this is NPR. To American business leaders were denied entry to the Chinese territory of Macau this weekend. Here's Emily Chang. Reports the rejection from the island Poland comes amid growing tensions between the US and China over Beijing's handling of the anti-government protests in Hong Kong. Terry Joseph and Robert Grieves the president and chairman of the American Chamber of Commerce or MGM. In Hong Kong were briefly detained by immigration officials will trying to enter Macau for an an event both eventually returned into Hong Kong. MGM had spoke against and now withdrawn Hong Kong extradition bill that sparked the current protests roiling the city. NPR's Emily Fang. Thank reporting the Sesame Street puppeteer who voices two of its most beloved characters has died Caroll Spinney who gave big bird his warmth and Oscar. The grouch his growl for nearly fifty years died today at his home in Connecticut. In two thousand fifteen interview with NPR's CBS got Simon's many talked about the creation of big bird when he first started Japan. Who created big bird and Oscar? He said big bird was just a big goofy guy. uh-huh and it was a script came along. I said I think big Birdie vets boy useful to the show if he were a child learning all the things we were teaching in on the show and so he did know the abet. Even for instance carols many was eighty five years old girl. Prices are trading lower and overnight Asian trading trading down about four tenths of a percent at fifty eight dollars. Ninety four cents a barrel. I'm Janine Herbst N._P._R.. News in Washington.
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"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Windsor Johnston. Police in London are investigating the stabbing attack. That left two people dead and three others wounded as an act of terror. London police shot and killed the suspect after bystanders restrained him. NPR's Frank Langfitt has more from from London. Police say the attack began to criminology. Conference near London Bridge Lewis Mankayane. who had once been imprisoned on terrorism charges attended the conference and went on a stabbing spree? Men Inside responded by grabbing Narwhal Tusk from the wall and a fire extinguisher. The James Caan onto London Bridge and subdued him before police arrived and shot him to death in his attack. Cohn stabbed two people to death and wounded three others. The attacker has been identified as a twenty eight year old man who had served time in prison for terrorism offenses He. He was sentenced in two thousand twelve for his role in the plot to bomb the London Stock Exchange. He was released on parole a year ago. A new summary from the House also budget committee shows that White House officials issued their first hold on Ukrainian aid in writing on a key day in the impeachment inquiry. NPR's NPR's Claudia Grew Saleh's reports. The letter was issued July twenty fifth hours after a phone call between president trump and the leader of Ukraine. The official alerts stopping the nearly four hundred million dollars in aid came after trump s Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zielinski for a favor house. Lawmakers are evaluating. The timeline is a key piece of evidence in their impeachment inquiry of trump and whether he used the security assistance to extract investigations of his political opponents. The House Budget Committee summary Shows White. House officials issued several written notifications to stop the aid. The summary said the actions by the Office of Management and Budget legit show a quote pattern of abuse. Ultimately a large share of the aid was released in mid September after a series of concerns issued by officials and lawmakers acres clottey selous. NPR News Washington. Hundreds of retirees and young people are joining forces for our protest in Hong Kong Central District today to show. Oh Solidarity Against Police Brutality Ameri Evans reports. The pension is keen to show solidarity with Hong Kong's young people who make up the majority of protesters protesters. The older demonstrators say. There is no split in the movement and turned out in force to demand an end to what they called police. Brutality and the excessive mucis take us around ten thousand rounds of tear gas believed to have been fired since the unrest began in early. June and these older protesters say the gas is affecting acting their health. Hong Kong second highest official chief secretary. Matthew Jiang has said that the government is looking to set up a committee to conduct an independent inquiry into into the protests which are into their sixth month for NPR news. I'm Marie Evans in Hong Kong this is NPR news. Millions of Americans are planning to see movies over this holiday weekend. NPR's net be reports given all the new options for streaming it. It remains to be seen whether people will buy tickets during what's traditionally been a big weekend at the box office just for the past year millions of people have signed up for new streaming services such as Apple TV plus and Disney plus where people can watch movies like the original frozen. Oh I think people will go see frozen to theater. Laura Martin is senior media analyst for Needham and company. She says movies like frozen to or still events. The truth is is that many of us want to escape to theaters for the holidays. So she predicts the box office will hold strong especially with certain animated movie about a pair of brave sisters years in theaters. NPR News of powerful storm system. That's making its way. East from California. Cornea is causing travel delays and many parts of the country this weekend meteorologist. Steve Glacier with weather nation says freezing rain and snow are predicted for parts of the the Opera Midwest this weekend. There's at least one strong storm that were watching going into cities like the twin cities going all the way through Detroit eventually for the North East and especially for the weekend after Thanksgiving is has our attention for travel purposes by ground and by air or cancer say white out conditions are impacting travel travel and much of the western part of the country. Thick fog has grounded hundreds of flights in Denver. This is N._p._R.. News from Washington.
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I Victoria Korea Craig in for anew on good morning after failing to drum up interest from investors in Hong Kong listing a week ago the brewing giant confirmed today it will sell its Australian business in an eleven point three billion dollar deal the B._B._C.'s swooping Chen has more the broom powerhouses. The selling off its Australian subsidiary culture in the United Brewery which accounts for nearly half of Australia's bear market and he's brands include fosters and corona proceeds of the sale will go toward paying down A._b.. Inbev more than one hundred billion dollar debt load the budweiser maker paid seventy nine billion dollars to buy its rival S._A._B.. Miller in two thousand sixteen A._B.. inbev insisted it isn't abandoning the Asia Pacific region where it still has a major presence particularly in China however it's facing challenges there amid Mitch Shifting Trends younger consumers moving away from traditional Biz towards higher price cross brews and cocktails whole competition remains face chief executive Carlos Brito said it remains a growth engine and he would reconsider listen the company's he's regional operations if it could reach the right valuation investors believe the proposed valuation up to sixty nine billion dollars was too high. I'm the B._B._C. Swooping Chan for marketplace. Let's do the numbers shares of Asahi Breweries rose one one point five percent in Tokyo while Abyan bevis popping more than four percent in Belgium oil prices. Meanwhile are also higher eight tenths of a percent higher in fact as tensions in the Gulf rise again parliamentary elections. are this weekend in Ukraine after comedian turn President Vladimir Zielinski. He called them three months early to try and Consolidate Power Yulia Rashid Co works for the Chesnot Movement a watchdog that monitors elections in the country. She says candidates have some unusual tactics to get out the vote. One candidate distribute the fish a he poured the fish into a lake and invited people just together it would hands another example is distributed a frozen chicken and frozen pizza. People are not reach that's why they are trying to have something and so you run a museum where some of these kinds of things are actually on display so if I wandered through right now what would I see so if you enter our museum you can see a lot of examples for instance. Some Black Brazier measures to nominators surest candidates are given to the wolters also some kinds of pets in also even alcohol some bottles of wine or sweets even tell wills also you can see the most <hes> creative creative world by and it's kind of concerts were very popular popstars just to drive the attention of voters and also some other services for instance people can come to an office of a candidate and check if their health. Both is good or not and sometimes they're given even glasses for that. So this is all perfectly legal they can spend as much money and it doesn't have to be reported. The thing is they need to report about everything they spent but they can find this grey zones here in our legislation to give money to other people to promote instead of them and this is hard to prove so how our people our voters responding to these freebies so sometimes they accept but vote for another person so sometimes sometimes we can receive all the gifts but we will vote as they think we should helier. She Co there tomorrow marks fifty years since Neil Armstrong took his first step on the moon declaring the apollo eleven mission a giant leap for mankind. We know those famous words but what about the companies that made the mission a success the B._B._C.'s Audrey Tinley reports when Neil Armstrong set foot on the moon's barren surface it was in a spacesuit that little known to many. He was soon by the same women who usually worked on making bras and girdles in the PLAYTEX factory. Now they've got comfortable by the search for a strong but stretchy material for space suits led NASA to look far and and white amongst American companies and it was the industrial division of playtex called. I L. C.. The won the contract the ankle have landed again. It was a commercial company that made the lightweight headset worn by the astronauts <music> Santa Cruz based communications technology company poly used the expertise honed in space to make headsets throughout the nineteen seventies and beyond for office workers and control centers around the world. The companies headsets are still used in mission mission control centers today. Just south of university city of Oxford Harwell campus is home to around ninety space related businesses including the U._K.. And the European Space Agency's one of the fastest growing commercials startups helps based at Harwell is Oxford space systems. It's founder Mike Lawton saw a gap in the market as huge amounts of small communications satellites now being launched into space by companies around the world entering the age of Mega constellations. Relations we don't want to lose one or two or even ten or one hundred companies out of there with money behind them to launch thousands of satellites. The problem with having thousands of satellites in space is that there's now a vast amount of junk to clean up currently were contending with about half a million objects ranging in size from a speck of paint all the way up to a school bus at the University of Texas in Austin. Maria Jar has designed a traffic monitoring system to catalog catalogue thousands of pieces of space debris around the earth. There's a projected trillion dollars worth of money to be had by space based services and so there's a new gold rush. The new space race isn't amongst government sits amongst companies companies so as more and more companies rushed to cash in the question is whether the space Goldrush can be reined in to make sure the universe is a place where future generations can still explore freely APP in London. I'm the B._B._C.'s older Finland for marketplace speaking of space ever had a glass of Tang the company that created the powdered orange drink used NASA in its marketing to entice buyers.
9-25-19 What's News
"It's time for New Coal Sandler's. What's news from Nicole Sandler Dot Com and the progressive the voices network this week the president has admitted to asking the president of Ukraine to take actions which would benefit him politically the actions news of the trump presidency revealed dishonorable fact of the president's betrayal of his oath of office betrayal of our national security and betrayal of the integrity integrity of our elections therefore today. I'm announcing the House of Representatives moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry. I'm directing are six six committees to proceed with their investigations under that umbrella of impeachment inquiry. The president must be held at Carnival. No one is above the law on Tuesday afternoon Speaker of the House. Nancy Pelosi made an historic move to initiate impeachment proceedings against the President of the United United States. Police change of heart comes as dozens of House Democrats have come out in support of an official impeachment inquiry. The unofficial count count as a press time. Wednesday morning stands at two hundred Donald Trump responded on twitter within moments of Pelosi's announcement calling it quote witch-hunt CIANCI garbage. There was another earthshaking story that happened. Tuesday that isn't getting as much attention but it is as big or even bigger than Pelosi officially getting on board for impeaching trump in the senate. Mitch McConnell has used pocket vetoes on virtually every bill the Democratic led House has the past but shockingly the Senate on Tuesday unanimously passed a resolution calling for the whistle blower complaint to be released to the House House and Senate intelligence committees now. It's just a nonbinding resolution but it is important to note that this required all one hundred senators to agree and and not one objected no Senate Republican was willing to block it. Mitch McConnell could have chosen to block it but he didn't s. two what the impeachable offense is well. Here's a good explainer from the New York Times quote his refusal so far to provide Congress with an intelligence officials whistleblower blower complaint as required by law coupled with the possibility that Mr trump dangled American military aid as a bargaining chip to win investigation of a political rival by a foreign government strikes them as a star case of presidential wrongdoing they consider it egregious enough they expect many Americans who had been cool to the idea of moving to oust the president to recognize the imperative for the House to act Donald Trump on Tuesday afternoon afternoon tweeted quote. I am currently at the United Nations representing our country but have authorized the release tomorrow of the complete fully declassified pacified and unredacted transcript of my phone conversation with presidents Alinsky of Ukraine. You will see it was very friendly and totally appropriate call no pressure and unlike Joe Biden and his son no quid pro quo. This is nothing more than a continuation of the greatest and most destructive which developed all-time the problem is that an actual transcript of the call most likely doesn't even exist. Richard Haass President of the Council on Foreign Foreign Relations tweeted quote what you tend to have is a memo prepared by an NFC staffer listening in that captures what he or she believes are the main points so another words. What we'd likely see is basically a White House readout of the call not good enough the demands demands for the release of the official whistle blower complaint and the Inspector General's report got even louder so then trump tweeted later Tuesday. Stay night that in addition to the so called transcript. He'd also released the whistle blower report. A news alert pinged my phone from politico with this headline quote White House preparing to release whistle blower complaint to Congress. My question is why does the White House have any part to play in its release. The correct chain of custody goes from the whistle blower to the Inspector General to the Director of National Intelligence to Congress not only should the White House be excluded from this chain but the president is the subject of the complaint. I'm still waiting for an answer as to why the White House this is anywhere near the original complaint or the Inspector General's report by the way Donald Trump addressed the United Nations General Assembly early on Tuesday. It was a forceful speech well in words anyway declaring the importance of nationalism wall repeating white nationalist and antisemitic antisemitic tropes in a manner that suggested sleepwalking so that happened now. This should be interesting as part of the United Nations General Assembly Wednesday afternoon at two fifteen eastern time just one day after trump's interactions with the president of Ukraine touched off a formal impeachment inquiry doc trump and Ukrainian President Vladimir Zielinski will meet in person to be a fly on that wall also happening Wednesday House Democrats and House Republicans hold their weekly caucus meetings with press conferences afterwards should be interesting looking ahead Thursday. They will be another momentous day as Joseph Maguire. The acting director of National Intelligence will be on Capitol Hill testifying in an open setting adding beginning at nine. Am Eastern and then Friday for some strange reason the house is scheduled to leave for two week recess yeah yeah the next day in session would be October fifteenth according to politico their sources tell them the recess is not going to be canceled speaking speaking on behalf of myself and many of my listeners. I'll say W. F. Nancy Pelosi. What the Hell Are you doing. Cancel the recess. We're now in an official impeachment inquiry. Do Your job and yes despite all the other news. It is still climate week a a new report by the UN backed Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change just published Wednesday morning is called quote special report on the ocean and Cairo Arrow sphere in a changing climate it warns of severe damage to the world's oceans and icy regions saying the earth's oceans are under such severe strain from climate change that everything from seafood harvests to the wellbeing of hundreds of millions of people along the coasts will soon be in jeopardy according according to the report the world's oceans have absorbed more than ninety percent of the warming that has occurred on earth over the last fifty years with the rate of ocean warming more than doubling rolling since one thousand nine hundred ninety three and that's just a bit of what's news for now. I'm Nicole Sandler in addition to the daily. What's news this report. I host the Nicole Sandler show Tuesday through Friday. We do it live at three eastern noon. Pacific at Nicole Sandler Dot Com we're on the progressive voices network Tuesday through Friday five eastern two Pacific and available as a podcast anytime at Ecole Sandler Dot Com.
Trump hopes Barr's secret meetings overseas will discredit the investigation into his 2016 campaign
"Good morning. I'm James Holman from the Washington Post and this is the daily two. Oh two for Tuesday October I in today's news. President trump rams up his attacks on the whistle blower. Rudy Giuliani won't save he'll comply with subpoenas and Mitch McConnell says the Senate will have no choice but to take up impeachment if the house acts but I the big idea attorney general bill bar has held private meetings overseas with foreign intelligence officials seeking their help in a Justice Department inquiry that trump hopes will discredit US intelligence agencies examination a possible connections between Russia and members of the trump campaign during the two thousand sixteen election is a huge story bars personal involvement in his stoked criticism from Democrats pursuing impeachment that he is helping the trump administration used executive branch powers to augment investigations aimed aimed primarily at the president's adversaries but the high level Justice Department focus on intelligence operatives conduct is likely to cheer trump for whom investigate the investigators has become a rallying cry bars voiced his own concerns telling lawmakers in April that he believes quote spying did occur when it came to the US investigation of the trump campaign the direct involvement of the nation's top law enforcement officer shows the priority bar places on the investigation being conducted by by John Durham the US attorney in Connecticut who bar assigned the sensitive task of reviewing US intelligence work surrounding the two thousand sixteen election and its aftermath current and former intelligence and law enforcement officials are expressing frustration and alarm that the head of the Justice Department is taking such a direct role in reexamining what Dave view is conspiracy theories and baseless allegations of misconduct bars already made overtures to British intelligence officials and last week the Attorney General Travel to Italy Ali where he in Durham senior Italian government officials and bar asked the Italians to assist Durham several sources told my colleagues Devon Barrett Shane Harris and Mansat Petoskey who broke the story last night the trump administration has made similar requests of Australia in a recent phone. Call trump urged Australian prime minister Scott Morrison to provide assistance to the ongoing. Doj Inquiry that called the Aussies was first reported by the New York Times but we have confirmed it independently bar. Spokeswoman looks woman and a White House spokesman. Say Trump made that request at bars urging. They say it was proper. Trump's silk complains frequently ruling that those involved in the investigation of his campaign should be charged with crimes bars direct involvement also helps explain explain part of that controversial July phone call between trump and Ukrainian President Vladimir Zielinski the rough transcript of the call released last week shows trump wanted the Ukrainians to talk with Bar Bar separately net with British officials in London to discuss the Durham probe PROB- according to one US official familiar with the matter in those conversations bar expressed a belief that the investigation of Russian interference in the two thousand sixteen election and stemmed from some kind of corrupt origin. It's not clear what bar thought was Amiss but he expressed suspicion that information had been improperly gathered authored overseas about people connected with trump and that the British may have assisted those efforts. It's hard to overstate how much these conversations with foreign counterparts parts have raised concerns among nonpartisan career professionals across the intelligence community that bar is seeking to substantiate conspiracy theories raised by some on the political right in order to defend trump and help him get re elected and that's the big idea here are three other headlines. That should be on your radar. It's all impeachment all the time number one trump ramped up his public and personal attacks yesterday against the we still unknown whistleblower saying he's working hard to find out who it is and he again questioned the person's loyalty to our country legal analysts the fear that the whistle blower may receive little protection and they're especially worried about what they consider witness intimidation by the president federal laws offer only limited it protection for those in the intelligence community who report wrongdoing even when they follow all the rules for doing so trump is allies might face few if any consequences for outing the whistle blower or otherwise ending this person's career whistle blower attorney Bradley. Moss says that if trump wants to destroy this person's life. There's not a lot to stop them right now. While the acting director of National Intelligence Jim McGuire told lawmakers last week that the whistleblower acted in good faith and should be protected trump continues to say the opposite yesterday. He called him a fraud on twitter. The intelligence community inspector general deemed the whistle blowers complaint credible despite the person conceding much of the information was learned secondhand from sources in the White House. The Inspector General's office also disputed allegation which trump is seized on and repeated several times the last forty eight hours that the rules for whistleblower complaints were recently changed to allow secondhand for information to be passed on that assertion by trump is based on false reporting by a conservative news outlet website really called the federalist. The law never had such a requirement and we're getting word that there is another whistle blower inside the Internal Revenue Service House Democrats exploring whether to release that person's allegations the complaint apparently raises serious allegations about quote inappropriate efforts to influence the audit of trump himself and hand his real estate businesses number two three house committee chairman subpoenaed Rudy Giuliani the president's president's personal attorney and fixer demanding all records pertaining to his contacts with Ukraine and related to the Biden family. The Chairman of the three committees Adam Schiff of intelligence elegance Eliot Engel of Ford Affairs and Elijah Cummings of oversight cited a growing public record of information and accusing Giuliani of appearing quote to press the Ukrainian government government to pursue to politically motivated investigations the first is related to undermining the case against former trump campaign chairman Paul manafort and the second relates to Joe in Hunter Hunter Biden the subpoenas said deadline for Giuliani of October fifteenth in a text message. Giuliani confirms that he received the subpoena but won't save he'll comply. He says he may try to invoke attorney client or other privilege could be executive privilege on Sean Hannity's Fox show last night. Giuliani said he's weighing the alternatives CBS number three Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell says he would have no choice but to take impeachment up if the House advances it. McConnell says he's bound by existing Senate rules governing the impeachment and conviction process putting duress days of speculation that he could simply ignore the specter of putting trump on on trial the Republican from Kentucky is given few clues as to how he would proceed. He's up for reelection next year and trump's far more popular than him in his own state so he has an incentive to times of closely to the president but McConnell says he's bound by Nineteen eighty-six memorandum written by then Senate parliamentarian which concluded that the Chamber would need to commence a trial the day after the House passed articles of impeachment. Two thirds of senators would need to vote to convict and remove trump if he's impeached. It's very unlikely and it remains despite the latest revelations senior. GOP officials have raised the prospect that Senate Republicans can simply move to dismiss miss any articles of impeachment a procedural maneuver that failed during Bill Clinton's impeachment trial in January nineteen ninety nine but would have a far likelier chance of succeeding now now that Republicans control the Senate back then former senator Robert Byrd offered the dismissal motion that would have effectively ended Clinton Senate trial but Republicans who controlled the chamber then do they just a Democratic president. They voted it down on a fifty six to forty four vote. One Democrat joined him should Republicans try this tactic now at least four four. Republican senators would need to align with all forty seven Democratic senators to keep the impeachment trial alive. If you were to take this route McConnell would most likely proceedings play out for some period of time to give the trial an air of legitimacy. Clinton's impeachment trial opened on January eighth and the vote to dismiss the charges didn't come until January twenty seventh for example the majority leader alluded to the timing issue in an interview with CNBC yesterday noting that while his hand is forced on the actual trial proceedings unquote how long you're on it is a whole different matter on the other hand Republicans. Tell us that should house. Democrats turn this impeachment proceeding into was sharply partisan endeavor. It would be easier to shorten the process once it reached the Senate and that's the daily two for Tuesday October first. Thanks for listening. I'm James Hellman. I'll talk to you tomorrow