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Its Not Just Wealth That Compounds

Money For the Rest of Us

27:52 min | 2 years ago

Its Not Just Wealth That Compounds

"Welcome the money for the rest of us. This is a personal finance show on money, how it works how to invest it, and how to live without worrying about it. I mean host David Stein, today's episode fifty these seven it's titled, it's not just wealth that compounds with time the power of compounding save early, save often, the rule of seventy two these are ways to illustrate that more time investing can lead to greater wealth to be Franco ruler seventy-two is supposed to be simple. But I always have to look up, what it means it means that if you divide seventy two by your annual rate of return, that's roughly how long it would take the w money if you have the fortune earn ten percent per year. Investing we divide seventy two by ten that means we can double our money in seven point. Two years rule is seventy two. I don't find it terribly intuitive nor terribly useful. There's a recent article by Lance Roberts, title everything you're being told about saving and investing is wrong. And he points out that the media loves to share some of these simple savings. He gives an example, that was on CNBC. Here's a quote, if you start at age twenty three for instance, you only have to save about fourteen dollars a day to be a millionaire by age sixty seven that's assuming a six percent average annual investment return. There was another example from investor's business daily. If you're earning seventy five thousand by age, forty you need to point four times, your income or one hundred eighty thousand dollars in retirement savings, simple as that. That assumes a ten percent annual savings rate and a six percent annual rate of return but it isn't quite that simple. Robert says the power of compounding only works when you do not lose money, and that's because after you have some losses, we're trying to follow the rule of seventy two it as soon as you earn the same return every year, we don't earn the same return every year typically, and if we lose money we have to earn that money back if you lose fifty percent in the market, you need a hundred percent return to get back to even so you have one hundred thousand dollars you lose half. It goes down to fifty thousand gain one hundred percent. You're back to one hundred thousand but if you lose sixty percent. You have to gain one hundred and fifty percent in order to get back to even. Now, if you only lose twenty percent you need earn twenty five percent to get back to even this is important. In light of our some of our discussions on having one hundred percent in stocks yet to be prepared to lose fifty to sixty percent. If you're going to be one hundred percent stocks, which means you need to be ready to earn a hundred one hundred and fifty percent in order to make up those losses in that can take time, three four five years or more. The other thing about so did these simple compounding platitudes is this sequence of returns matters the order in which the returns come. If you have one hundred thousand dollars in it goes up one hundred percent then you have two hundred thousand dollars. Then if you lose fifty percent you'll have one hundred thousand dollars. We contrast that if you have one hundred thousand dollars and lose fifty percent then you're down to fifty thousand just like the earlier example. And then if you gain one hundred percent you're back to one hundred thousand dollars. One hundred percent gain followed by a fifty percent loss, leaves you basically at the same point is if you lose fifty percent. And then gain one hundred percent. But what if you have one hundred thousand dollars and lose one hundred percent to start with then you ruined. Or let's say you, you have one hundred thousand dollars any you lose ninety nine percent. Now you're down to a thousand dollars doesn't matter if you earned fifty percent on top of that, then you're up to fifteen hundred dollars. So the sequence of returns matters, and it matters in terms of our experience before we see how let me tell you about a new sponsor to the podcast vistaprint. I'm in the process of ordering cards from vistaprint that feature. The cover my book. I'll use the cards at conferences on hand them out of somebody's interested in the book, they can use the link on the back that download some sample chapters with vistaprint, you can create a truly professional unique card in minutes. Upload your own design, or start with one of their professionally designed options. 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I discussed this article this week in the money with friends podcast with Joe saucy, high didn't that article Zweig mentions that what you expect depends on what you have experienced and lewd, it to a memory Bank that we remember our experiences. And we remember the sequence of returns that we experienced and that reflects our expectations of the market. I became an investment advisor in nineteen ninety five. I remember the stock market US stock market went up thirty seven percent in one thousand nine hundred five. The first crisis. I remember was the Asian emerging markets crisis in nineteen Ninety-seven. I remember it because had client invested in an Asian emerging markets stock fund because they didn't want to go into a broad-based emerging markets fund because this particular client remembered the Mexican peso crisis, we probably shouldn't have been recommending emerging markets at all based on their valuations. But we did I remember the internet bubble? And working clients through that. I remember two thousand three to two thousand seven as being a great time to invest, and I remember the great financial crisis, and the impact that, that had shepherding client assets through that. But that's just one pattern of time. There's this concept of resembling. What if the crisis had happened, I followed by the internet bubble, would my perception, be different. White points out after ten bullish years in stocks. Some younger investors have no memory of losing serious amounts of money that could make them think it can't happen. So we're changed with our experiences our experience in the market that order of those experience in the market. Is a book called the end of theory by Richard Bookstaver? And there's a great quote from the book. He says we humans move from experienced experience. We learn we invent. We create we cannot know what we will experience what we will. Learn invent or create it is the nature of humanity to harbor radical uncertainty fundamentally, we don't know where we are going. And we don't know who we will be when we get there, we essentially must live out our lives to see where they will go. There is no formula that allows us to fast forward to find out what the result will be the world cannot be solved. It has to be lived we live through time. We're changed by time. Yep. Our portfolios are impacted by what happens through time. There is some compounding. Yes. Losses can make a different. We have to recover those losses. But there's other things that live through time. And that grow and compound through time, share some of those in this episode. I'm reading a book by Jenny Adele, it's titled how to do nothing and she gives the example of British artists David Hockney. She writes Hockney valued painting because of the mediums relationship to time according to him in an image contained the amount of time that went into making it, so that when someone looked at one of his paintings, they began to inhabit, the physical bodily time of it being painted. It's no surprise, then that Hockney initially disdained photography. Although he sometimes used it in studies for paintings. He found a snapshots relationship to time unrealistic because a snapshot froze, a moment in time, Hackney said, photography is all right. If you don't mind looking at the world, from the point of view of a paralyzed cyclops for a split second. But that's not what it's like to live in the world. Or to convey, the experience of living in the world, because we live through time in nineteen eighty-two a curator from the center, pump ado museum, went to hawkeness house, in L A, the document some of his paintings any left, some of the polaroid film, behind us using a polaroid camera. Hockney be came curious in and started taking pictures of things and got an idea, he built, this concept or created a beautiful work of art. There was collage of hundreds of pictures, but the pictures came together to form an image is famous one is pear blossom highway eleventh, to eighteenth of April nineteen Eighty-six. He took the camera and went into the California desert. The pear blossom highway is goes through there's Joshua trees took them eight days to hundreds of photographs. Two weeks to put them all together. I'll link to it. And sure enough to be able to see this picture looks like and it's fascinating because it is a picture made up of pictures taken through time from the eleventh, to eighteenth of April, yet, it's one image Adele, points out. Hockney was trying to use a camera to undo the very essence of how we traditionally understand photography, which is a static framing of certain elements in an instant of time. Hockney said from that first day I was exhilerated. I realized that this sort of picture came closer to how he actually see which is to say, not all at once, but rather indiscreet separate glimpses, which we, then build up into our continuous experience of the world. There are hundreds of separate looks across time from which is synthesized my living impression of you. And this is wonderful. So we built up our continuous experience of the world through these, discreet separate glimpses or events, and that builds up, it becomes an experience. It's in our memory Bank, and there's no shortcuts, we have to actually put in the time. So we can grow and be changed by time author Truman, Capote. In an interview in the Paris review from nineteen fifty seven, you can't read the entire thing either can I am not subscribe, but they give you a preview. And there's a quote, I loved it work is the only device. I know of writing has laws perspective of light and shade, just as painting does or music, if you're born to knowing them, fine, if not learn them, then rearranged the rules to suit yourself. We can't rearrange rules and less, we actually put in the time to learn what the rules are. So there are no shortcuts, we love. Shortcuts take genes. For example, pair of blue jeans. You can buy a pair of distressed jeans. They're all ripped up and torn or you can actually wear a pair of, let's say, salvage denim jeans. I've a pair that's five years old, their ripped. I've repaired them day. Looked like they've been distressed. But from years of wearing them, you could buy a pair from this really cool brand called capital with a K. Japanese brand, they have stores in Tokyo, abyss area about three or four stores. Here's how James Smith of handles describes capital, capital produces some of the most esteemed Denham in the market, as well as a wide range of unconventional clothing, and assessories all the which fused traditional construction and dyeing techniques with a flair for Avent garde, design, and indigo denim is they say is a fundamental element of capitals collection often distress so authentically, the garment actually looks second or third hand or is Davis. Sedaris put it in the New Yorker, the clothes capital, sell our new, but appear to have been previously warn, perhaps, by someone who has shot or stabbed and then thrown off a boat. Everything looks as if it had been pulled from the evidence rack at a murder trial. I don't know how they do it, most distress close, look fake, and that's true. Most of them, doesn't, they'd look fake. They don't. Look sedaris says, but not, there's for some reason, do they put it in the dryer with broken glass and rusty steak knives. Do they drag it behind a tank over a still smoldering? Battlefield? How do they get the cuts and stains, so? Right. Now capital. It's avant garde clothing. I recall as we talk about sequence of return in ruin going to vote, teak, a number of years ago in Los Angeles. The owner was wearing some weird closed be honest, and they were from capitol. I never heard of the brand he was so excited about it was the first u s distributor of capital, and nobody really got the brand. So this guy bought so many clothes, and unfortunately, it sunk his business he didn't sell enough of it. But the point is, we can usually tell when something that is marked with age and experience that there's no shortcuts something that didn't pass through time. The Japanese have a word for it. It's. Wabi. Sabi. Sweat three Unagi in his book. The unknown craftsman describes how we have a love of the irregular, a certain roughness behind, which lurks, hidden beauty, and we can tell when something there's shortcuts taken. Within our some non monetary things that compound through time. Before we look at those things, so me pause and share some words from this week sponsors. Maybe you've considered a sleep number bed. But thought you couldn't afford one, but can you really afford to be tossing and turning on your old bed? Compromising your sleep. I know the pro nicely very comfortably on our sleep number bed. And there's never been a better time to save on proven quality sleep. It's the lowest prices of the season right now at your nearest Steve number store, so many couples disagree on mattress firmness sleep number three, sixty smart beds. Let you choose your ideal firmness on each side. So it's just right for both of you. These beds are really smart. 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I could pay this consulting firm, and, and I wouldn't thirty thousand dollars plus by five thousand copies of the book where I'd put up the money to buy five thousand copies, and they would strategically by books all around the country. So it looks like it was or Ganic sales. But five thousand books, we'll get you on the Wall Street Journal bestseller list trying to buy influence. It's not worth it. The way that you get influence is you pass through time. It's through word of mouth. It's by building mass. We talked a little bit about this couple episodes ago on initial public offerings in venture capital. And this is what startup companies are doing this whole idea of blitz. Scaling is trying to see this word of mouth growth. Now, some of them, try to buy the influence put so much money in at the end of that it doesn't work and less individuals, buy into whatever they're trying to not even sell just usually use some type of an app, but the idea is that it takes time. And as, as we've talked about in that episode the average private companies tend to twelve years old, they've put the ten to twelve years in building that influence. David Weinberger in the book everyday chaos talked about the Occupy Wall street movement. I remember going to that in New York are just through to park. When I say, I'm going through that makes it suddenly it was an event. I mean they were they were protesting, but it didn't have an objective. There wasn't an end game. It was just a protest to build influence. And so what was what happened at the end? Well think about the term the one percent. It's in the lexicon. Now we're aware of it. And that was because of the Occupy Wall street movement, and whether you were for against that, but it's we're aware of it. Weinberger writes, in fact, occupy, many protests movements are like gravity in Einstein sense. Space-time is reshaped by objects with mass. The more people who are pulled into the gravity. Well, the greater the movements mass as its gravity grows. It starts to affect the environment, more widely and more powerfully sometimes at such a distance that people don't always know they're being pulled by it. That's how businesses are grown today, client by client word of mouth, tell my podcast is grown tell blogs grow, but it takes time. You have to pass through time, nother example of something that compounds over time is expertise as we learn new things, we gain inventories of skills, which we can then combine, and new and novel ways. That's what wisdom is the judgment. It's based on their experiences in our expertise. There's no shortcut for that. Another thing that compounds with time is polish perfection, creating something, and making it better and better, I used to think books, for example. Why is it takes a long to get a book published should be faster than that? Well, you can't rush it. It is a lengthy process, because you're trying to perfect or at least improve a body of work and it takes time. I've sent my book out the twenty five reviewers who were kind enough to take the time to provide candid feedback on the book. And so then I went through another round of improving it. And that's how we built something but you have to pass through time in order to do that. So we need in order to do that. We have to be able to invest our time and be aware of how we use our time, because the world is full of distractions social media. They idea the attention economy, many of these startups. They're vying for attention. We are selling our attention to them Jenny Dell and how to do nothing says, civil disobedience in the attention, economy means withdrawing attention. But she says we don't do it by loudly quitting Facebook. And then tweeting about it instead. She writes, a real withdraw of attention happens. First and foremost in the mind, what is needed then is not a once and for all type of quitting. But ongoing training the ability to not just to withdraw attention, but to invest it somewhere else to enlarge and proliferated to improve its acuity. We need to invest our ten. Inactivity, he's that compound over time things like creating things that will give us influence over time learning new skills that we can invest and combine in different ways over time. That's how we should invest our attention and we can take breaks from it. I love this book recently finished by teary, but quite the art of the siesta. He says the originality of the work that each of us hopes to achieve depends largely upon containing control of our time. And, you know, you have control of your time if you can take a nap or take a siesta, and we can't always do them and some, some jobs just don't permit them. But we want least some control so that we can be creative. He writes, the siesta is the means for us to reclaim our own time, outside of the clockmakers control this, yes, is our liberator. He says, it's an act of rebellion, but ultimately, we need to invest investor funds investor money, but invest in activities that will compound over time our influence, our skills are experience or wisdom. And the reality is, as time passes, we're going to get older and one of the ironies of the age. Is sometimes we want to take shortcuts and buy things that look old and distressed, but not ourselves, the American society of plastic surgeons reports that Bo taks use among those age twenty to twenty nine has increased twenty eight percent since two thousand ten there's a fear of getting old. There was an article in vogue by Lauren Valenti and Chloe Atkinson, they mention they interviewed a plastic surgeon who said lines get deeper and deeper with aids. So if you start getting botox early enough, and it's done properly, you're not going to need as much in the future. But the authors warn, here's a quote for younger patients wary of the frozen. Look, remember, youthful faces move. Have you seen that somebody that used too much tax? They're frozen frozen in time. They don't have any expression to pass through time. The can't freeze time. So we lived through time time changes us. We work hard and put in the time our influence grows. Our expertise grows are polished grows our skills, growth are characters gross and our wrinkles increase, but as we do those things are wealth grows not just through the compounding of monetary investments. But because we will earn superior returns in the marketplace of ideas. People wanna hire us for what we bring to the table because of our influence our wisdom and our skills because we've invested over time and we have gained experience as we have passed through time. That's up to fifty seven. 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117: The Buddy System Til Death and Sprinkles of Light in the Chicago Suburbs

And That's Why We Drink

1:31:29 hr | 2 years ago

117: The Buddy System Til Death and Sprinkles of Light in the Chicago Suburbs

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And you guys I during that layover the reason I remember the layover is if I'm this is a dangerous thing to say, but but taking between the pizzas and the hotdogs, I really appreciate your hot dogs. The most. I heard a couple people go. Okay. That's fine. I can leave. It's. No. I remember the layover before anything else because that was the first time I had Chicago dog and eight one knows like holy shit. This really good. And then I was like if this is how good it is at an airport on they're like, really good. So that's why I remember my two instances here. Anyway, Chicago thank you for having me. Thank you for letting your hot dogs as a fellow midwesterner. I haven't Chicago. And I'm sorry. I don't eat hotdogs anymore. But I do I do do like and other things. So did you do anything when you were here earlier? Did any I? Hung out in my hotel room for a little bit. Well, that was about Christine's family is here tonight. So they're here blazes here. They had a great time exhibit a lot of of to maybe finish my notes, but we won't worry about that. I knew very little, but all I heard was that blaze was at a restaurant today that had puppies for adoption. It was actually very cruel because I was like I'll have to finish my notes and he's like no come to the bar. And I don't need you to have story the night. It's oh I have to finish these maybe later, and he's like we'll hear the dogs up for adoption. I was like what the fuck. That was so cruel it worked out though. Because in our hotel, I found a puppy. Yes. His name is hunter. We're best friends. Yes. I can confirm that I've been tells you g and I've been replaced Geos going text me in the middle of the night being like, what's your what are you hiding? Anyway, we love Chicago. We I it's very close to where I'm from. I love it. I don't know. You guys are great. You know? I don't like is the cold. That's all I don't like it's not a bad thing to hate. Would you like to crack into it? 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I mean, you can probably assume how my searches for haunted places go I Google haunted places in and then the city name, and then the first place happened to have the name stake in the title. And I was like all done. And then the story was in long enough for me to feel like I had satisfied your thirst for knowledge. And so I was like, well, let's make a theme out of this. And I couldn't find another steak thing, but I found more food things. So I guess we'll take it a food themed haunted walk fell hell. So so there's the first I'm going to do I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you the second. Once you guys get to wonder and have little intrigued with me. So you're such a good teacher. I know it's like, you don't even know that yet. So I want you to have intrigue with me don't worry about it. It'll keep you wanting more. So the first story I'm going to cover, and if you know it awesome. If you don't you're gonna learn something tonight. This is the it's not around anymore, but it used to be called that steak joint and it us. Sure. Sorry. We usually tell you going to clap anyway because we have severe anxiety, and we forgot to do that. So well. I was gonna say I was gonna say that. It's now the adobo grew. Do you guys know what that is? Okay. Okay. All right. I spoke to sin. No, no, no. I appreciate you having them. Like there was minor lingering silence for two milliseconds too long. It's funny. How it works? Yeah. Isn't it? Milliseconds equals two centuries. So. So it was before it was the adobo girl was called that steak joint. But the joint is spelled J O Y. And of course, it is so clever in fact, number one so at. However that one was it was actually pretty fun. Yeah. They're gonna get worse from here. Yeah. So that steak joint was a Victorian style three story building. And it shares a wall with second city. I had a hunch. I'd get you there. So the building goes all the way back to the eighteen sixties. It was a bread factory called pipers bakery. It was one of the biggest bread distributors of the time and it implied over five hundred workers and even housed a school for the employee's children to attend also helping out the that's. On one side of it wasn't alley. So next pipers bakery. Wasn't alley in that alley apparently to this day. I don't know if it's like well known, but it's still called pipers alley and in the early nineteen hundreds there were two different murders that were committed there. So something like take someone on a date to. So it was a man in a woman. And I think they were both. It was the same instance. I don't know the story behind how they died. I just know that they ended up being found a couple of days later. So no, thanks. Aches in the nineteen twenties. Piper Henry piper. He retired from the bakery and ended up. Deciding that he was going to sell it. And then the building became a whole lot of other things. I think it became a laundromat hardware store and in nineteen sixty two the year of my mother's. Don't do the math. She's thirty five. She she bought my mom, she he was born. And that was enough for here. Already purchasing real estate. You know, the dynamo Linda Sherman is she would though it wouldn't surprise me. Right. So so she was off like at a hospital being born. And so while that was happening a guy named Billy and a guy named broad Dell bought the building, and that's when it became the steak joint. So since the sixties. The inside of the restaurant was filled with a whole bunch of art antiques from various places, and they just if they if it looked interesting is that they really care where it came from which is just a perfect recipe of just a bunch of combined old energy, aka several. So thank you. Thank you. So this is basically our podcast room is just people send us we're and we just put it all on a wall. And it's true. It's amazing energy. We probably collect we are really Robert the dolls in there. It's really bad. I know I know what am I going to throw it away? Like that's worse than hell. No ones that stick me with all that shit. And I don't know what someone literally in a like out of a scary movie in a wooden Cray s the Senkakus a haunted doll on a on a horse. And like apparently the two dolls didn't come together. They like we're both haunted and now enjoy each other's company. And when we got it a few days later. House burned down. So we thought we'd send it to you. And I was like now it's like do we get rid of it, or do we just hope the house doesn't by the way? Sorry, blaze. He is not heard about this yet. So bad. My bad. Yeah. By the way, listen, nothing's burned down you. I feel like when we're not around blazed walks around the studio and looks at every item, and is like I don't know what you could do me. Please leave me alone. You probably throws away shit. And just we don't even know everything except lemon blaze. We've talked. I don't know why you haven't done yet bolaise knows better than to throw away. Lemon. We love lemon. We do. So of the items that they collected over the years. There was a specific says that they purchased that was the most notorious for being haunted, which were to portrait's one was a man named William divine and the other poetry was his wife, Catherine divine apparently willing to a milk merchant from the late eighteen hundreds school. That's all we know. Great. But they each had a portrait of them done and whoever ended up the art dealer that sold it to the restaurant said that he kept it for a long time. But he wanted to sell it and potentially even destroy them because they creeped him out so much they made him feel variant easy. He felt stared at and apparently ever since he owned them. He always had a run of really really, bad luck. So including the time where there was a stint where apparently Catherine's portrait was now lifting itself off the wall and throwing itself on. To the floor deer. Like they were nailed in. And have a wire like you couldn't just fall. It had to be lifted off the nail. So no, apparently at one point he then tried to put it back on the wall. And then it threw itself off the wall again in his hands, and then came crashing down and broke his toes. I'm sorry. That's not funny. That's terrible. That's really sad for his toes. Yeah. And so at that point he was like, okay. I don't want to be near this thing. It's clearly like starting to hurt me. I just want to sell it. And that's when the interior designer for the state that stick joint was like, oh that looks kinda cool. Can I have it? And he was like, please take them. So then the designer of the restaurant ended up also saying that he too was freaked out by the pictures and patrons of the restaurant started saying that they didn't like the portraits either apparently people were reporting getting a cold chill when run by them whenever they were standing next to the picture. They also reported that the woman Catherine that more dangerous portrait was smiling at them when you look at the portrait in a reflection. Apparently it used to be the portrait cease to be across the way from a mirror, and if you're looking in the mirror the portrait would snail. And also, they swear that the eyes would follow you, of course, of course. And so those those didn't last week so. The restaurant also did regular stances in the eighties because the owner Billy was like probably haunted. Let's let's make some money off that so they did regular say. And apparently, they frequently contact they were in contact with three main spirits in the building was an architect who designed the building back in eighteen hundreds one was a woman that worked at piper's bakery, and one would not reveal his identity. Zach begging. No, his name is lemon. And so. He has quite a storied path. So you never know. So while they were. Oh, yeah. So during the chances they actually ended up scheduling two different nights where they were also going to do overnight investigations. And so they had one best Gatien nine hundred ninety one and one in nine hundred ninety four and they had reporters they're both times. So I think the nine hundred ninety nine one was for the I don't know the names, I might mess up the Chicago sun times times. Okay. I knew S T. And then the was a good guest though. I don't know sounds fancy and then the other one had reporters and like a from a new show. So I'm not going to go with called w FM. I don't know radios, those letters all right? Okay tonight. Sound smart? Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Good. I've you so anyways they had over investigate investigations. And they made sure that there are reporters at each one. And in those investigations, they found several instances of glowing lights in different rooms of different colors magnetic disturbances that they had that were not accounted for could not be accounted for and they had done a whole run through of the buildings. Make sure that they checked like faulty wiring. And they looked at the blueprints at the the had an idea of where there should be disturbances. And when they tested the house earlier, it wasn't showing up. And now of a sudden machines are going kind of they're acting kind of weird for no reason. They got a lot of photos which validated. What the medium was saying each room, including apparitions and shadow figures that she said she felt coming from different corners of the room. So then they looked at pictures, and it was able to confirm that there was a shadow figure sitting in the corner where she said super-duper. I I don't know if I were her and that was my job. I don't know if I'd be like awesome. Or like like God. Damn. I'd be like, I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm bad at this job. So some shadows were also caught on multiple cameras. So further confirming that what she saw was valid, and it wasn't the one picture wasn't an anomaly compared to another picture. There was one picture specifically of a shadow figure in a robe. Sorry. Standing in a table. So okay, you could see the top half. But then like the like it was like as if he was standing in the middle of the table and he walked through Witter's. Okay. Got at a table too. Exactly what it looks like when someone's walking through tape by doing this a lot got it figured it out very clear, I'm ring robe, otherwise we would have demonstrated. They also got on video adore to the kitchen opening on its own and opening pretty strongly. And so they went to test the draft and the draft who's actually going opposite directly something forced again the draft and shove the door open. There were flickering lights cold spots footsteps. The sounds of something dragging across the floor in an empty room. Cool. Cool cool love it ask them yet. And they saw apparitions of someone sitting at a dining room table. But then when they tried to approach him vanished. They saw at Bir. Oh, I said that. Even set up. At one of the investigations one of the reporters. Also, she was the most skeptical and ended up becoming violently ill during interview, no managers, obviously have a hard time keeping nights staff because the spirits to mess with the employee's, especially when they are alone. Great. There are reports of staff hearing singing and almost everyone has seen shadow figures. Multiple times employees have run out of the building during their shift and never come back. Apparently, there was one story of a guy who even had like two paychecks there. And they're like, hey, you need to get your paycheck. I'm good. I don't need money. It's hard to argue with that though. Oh my God. So in the women's restroom, you can hear someone entering the room. So apparently, you can hear the like the click Clack of shoes you can also hear like a skirt or address ruffling around and you can see the doors opening of someone's coming in. And no one's there in case, you didn't gather that so and it's the receptionist. She just needed. And it's Christine so probably also the bathroom doors to the stalls will jam shut. Fantastic. Is stuck in there? Yeah. And like refuse to open. No matter how hard you push so super super duper. So there are strange lights that are also seen near the woman's bathroom, especially at night. And apparently people have seen lights going through the bathroom doors into the stalls. And then you can hear the door moving. If someone is turning the doorknob on the other side. Their reports of something touching people something brushing by people or just plain old running into people. Okay. Staff reported seeing bright yellow eyes staring at them in dark rooms. That's actually a pretty bad. Imagine. If your boss is like now, go sweep in there. And it's like. They've got an EDP of a woman moaning and a woman screaming. Quote, followed by a high pitched squeal, so I don't I don't know if any of that's good, or I don't really wanna know. So I'm gonna leave that to the intrigue I was telling you about earlier, right? Staff. Have also heard quote, gutteral growling. Oh, good. But what's interesting about that? As they heard it both on a digital recorder later, and they heard it in real time. So they were entering EDP was like, yeah. It wasn't like something. They found out later. They knew that they caught something 'cause they heard it in the middle of the interview. People smell something burning. But there's also always the recurring sense of flowers in certain rooms. Okay. It's not maybe it's flowers burning and you combine them. Oh, no. Apparently, there was the reason it smells like it's burning is because back in the late eighteen hundreds pipers bakery, actually caught on fire and burnt down. And then they ended up rebuilding in at the time that it was still a bakery. But it did burn down. So they say that that might be the smelling residual ghost smell. The manager one time saw people walking up the staircase after the entire restaurant had been closed, and he was the only one there. So he went looking for them. He saw them turned the corner he kept following them. And the nobody was there. Spirits have gotten violent one employee was closing up and felt a hand grab his shoulder and yank him backwards, and my turned around no one was there. And the same thing happened to a bartender who was going up stairs and felt a hand grabbed the back of his shirt. He was going upstairs, and he felt a hand grab the middle of his shirt and then Yan backwards on the state fall. Fall. I think he caught himself, but he also turned around. He was like what the fuck was that? And no one was there. That's terrifying. And then it got really bad when a server was clearing tables after everything closed up. She was putting dishes in the sink, and she felt a hand grab her wrist. She turned to see who it was no one was there, but something was still holding onto her and she could still feel something grabbing or on her wrist. She could see that her wrist. There was like imprint on her wrist of something squeezing her and her skin was starting to get red. And then it she tried to shake it off, and it still didn't work, and she could feel it squeezing harder and harder. And then something started dragging her by the arm by the Rhys because she tried to shake it off. And I guess that pissed it off. And then all of a sudden she started getting dragged across the room towards the stairs. Oh, no. She couldn't break away from it. She tried fighting. She actually even broke a he'll because she was digging her heels into the floor so much serious. And then she was able to scream really loud in the manager found her on the floor. They checked her wrist and it had bruising in the shape of finger. She quit. We why. Something about like a poor work experience. There. God. So that's the probably the scariest thing that they are willing to report on Google and. Win that stake joint closed. It was empty for a few years, but then two thousand that became the job grill, and the adobo girl says that they have no reports of activity, but they that doesn't mean that they don't believe there aren't spirits there. They just think that the act ones probably left when they decided to do renovating for the new place, and all of those old antiques and everything might have been attached to left the buildings. They go to maybe you're our house to our podcast student. They all absorbed into a little girl that got sent to us on a wooden crate. Yeah. Would explain a lot? Yeah. Anyway, that's story one that is Durant. Thank you. The next one is supposedly the most haunted pub in Chicago. So I had my steak moment you get your pub beer moment. So we're keeping it balanced. Thank you. Okay. Because I didn't say lasts applaud if you know, what this is the are if you don't or if you don't if you're if you're that one over there just scream. The this is the red lion pub. I think they actually do based on a genuine like I knew it because I looked pictures of it. And it looked for a million. There's one in LA though. Oh is there? I mean, there's a red line. Maybe maybe that's jogging a memory. So anyway, the red lion pub it was built in the building itself was built in eighteen eighty two. It is today. An upscale or wasn't upscale English pub. This also apparently is now a Mexican restaurant. Yes. That was unsure to me. Can you tell did you look it up on yelp? No, well, that would clarify a couple of things a lot of things. I should do. Would clarify many like what episode. I like calling them out on stage. I know I I'm pretty sure from what I read in one of the articles is that it's now it's upscale Mexican restaurant in pub-. I don't know. It's a pub everyone. It's okay. Well, then I fucked up. Oh, wait. No, I'm confusing. The job grill is the that makes a little more sense. I was like, I know. I know I know what I'm talking about. But I know I don't you're like there are fish tacos. I swear to God. Okay. Okay. That does explain a lot. Maybe I was tricking just to see if you knew the pub at all and you pass on your local knowledge, you get an A on the test. I intentionally -gratulations so. It is an upscale English. But maybe it should just read my own fucking notes. Can I actually like say one thing? I love when you said oh announced. Erection restaurant. Right. And a couple of people like, yeah. Yeah. Like slow. So nice to me. Thank you. So funny. It was a test of love. You passed bills in eighteen eighty two upscale English pub most arms above in Chicago. Let's try to get to the second bullet fishe before it was the. I'm not helping I'm sorry before it was the red lion pub, it was a western themed bar called dirty, Dan's western saloon. Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. And in the nineteen forties. So before it was either of those things it was heavily involved in gang activity. Yeah. I didn't say God damn word. That's on new. So in the nineteen forties. This was it's in a neighborhood that was heavily known for gang activity, Al Capone and his buddies out there during the prohibition. Yeah. It was like a rough in tough kind of crowd. The rebel Sponga rabble-rousers rabble-rouser. So the bar itself was used for illegal gambling. Okay. So now, I know your interests outside of listening to our podcast. And it's across the street from the bio graph theater. Which is also hunted. And if you're good you'll get a whole story about that. At the end is about. So their interest in our legal gambling and musical theater. Yes. Sounds about. Right. I feel like I would have guessed that. Yeah. It's just a it's just a just a mess is what it is. Yes. That's of interest mess for sure. So across the street from I'm saying that right by grafter. Okay. So it was turned into the red lion pub by Chicago architect, John Cordwell. Okay. Someone's architects, John. That you apparently he's I'm not into architecture, but apparently is a famous Chicago one person knew about him. So someone was very excited about John. So he as a side hustle, even though he was successful. And like a famous architect. He was like I need a hobby. So he bought this pub and ran it with his wife and sons, so that's fun. Yeah. If I'm little venture. So now his son Colin runs it. So. Tell them. Hi, you go there. There are allegedly at least seven different goes here. Okay. Okay. What's talk about how they became ghosts. Oh, no. Everyone's like oh. So one customer actually died in the restaurants. She was a patron at the restaurant died from a seizure. Oh, no. There was a little girl who died here from measles. Because at one point there are three floors. I one point the third floor was also apartments. So she's lived here. And she died of measles. There was a we're calling him a cowboy. Yes, we are full. Stop. Don't explain it. Well, he's so it's a man that looks is dressed like a cowboy, but it's potentially just an employee from when it was a cowboy themed dress. So guys dug in his work uniform. That's terrible. Okay. So we're just gonna call him a cowboy because like for his sake. He needs a cooler title. Okay. Also, there's a man who died here because he couldn't pay his gambling debt. And so he was killed oh shit. But apparently he didn't go down without a fight because he killed his killer. So two birds one stone on. I don't know. That's two of the deaths. Okay. And then there's another woman who was allegedly fatally shot in one of the apartment's upstairs. Super in the final ghosts is John's father, John the architects, father, Robert Cordwell, apparently watching over his son that now runs the restaurants. So let's just talk about all of this is just ways that taunted. So let's go good. I'm ready came on a good night chick ready. Let's let's settle on. Okay. Okay. So people here their names being called when they're alone. Awesome. Get start apparently sometimes you'll hear them screamed at you. Sometimes hear them whispered to you. Sometimes if you're both if you're lucky. Where are we? Oh, okay. So you can also feel icy cold spots. Apparently, a lot of people can smell lavender one of the women who died upstairs was known to not know how much lavender perfume to wear. So she world. And so much so that she's dead still, smells like lavender. So oh. Oh, dear. You can see an apparition of a woman wearing clothes from the nineteen twenties. You can see a male apparition walking in the bar and going up the stairs. After the restaurant's closed. The most activity happens when the pub is not very crowded. So when I was looking up information about this on a few different websites. They were all like, so if you're trying to find a ghost, maybe go in the late evening or on a Sunday. And I was like. It's like how Google tells you the hours very busy or not. Lots of ghosts get there. Now. So during renovations just construction workers had like their tools laid out and a lot of them go missing or they would move themselves or they would find them in random ask places like they'd find like in the bathroom or in a shelf that they had not been near. Also construction work had been done. They would come back the next day and it had been ruin oh. And they redo it. That's an nightmare for things. Just get ripped off the walls. And oh, okay. There's heavy footsteps there sounds of furniture being moved or just completely flipped over cool. Apparently, sometimes when you're like cleaning up at the end of the night. It sounds like a couch is just turning upside down just like upside just loud. Heavy banging everywhere. So it's a very specific sound couch down. I mean, I haven't flipped thousand couches exactly what that sound is. Colin the guy that now runs it, John, son. He wants I'm heard a crashing sound. And he went upstairs, and I guess one of the storage rooms, they have a couple of things hang on the wall. And all of them were now on the floor across the room. Oh, no people have been pushed down the stairs. When they're alone. They had a psychic come in a couple of times and one of the psychic saw an apparition of a scruffy man and his twenties. The wound. Wearing cowboy clothes? Well. What are we up to tonight? Cal. I don't know. What are you doing? Okay. Imagining what it would be like talk to a boy. You're say, right. What do you do in cowboy? So me up. I don't know. All right. Is it getting weird yet? I wanted to get weird before I stopped us. Apparently he's known to just be stomping up the stairs. And he looks pissed and it's like well. Yeah, I would be too. You're wearing your work uniform for stupid cowboy boots and the first person to see you like one hundred years just calls. You scruffy, man. An awkwardly flirts. I you I don't know. That was me me. I know. So the second also saw a young man with black hair and a beard on doing. All right. Are you trying out some weird new character? I don't really get it. I don't know testing the water working really well for you just. Well, who knows so? Young man black hair with a beard in a black cat. And apparently he's also seen with a an apparition of a blond male with a broad face. I'm not really sure what that oh. That sounds rude. A little bit. I don't think that's scruffy man broad face. Black cat. I don't know. But apparently, they're always together whenever she was able to see them or they were at least in the same room together. So they're kind of buddies. Yes. Sure. Like you like you. And I when we die until death and then more. Oh, no. We both know whoever goes, I it's going to haunt the shit out of the so we literally had this conversation. So we have this conversation on five minute to five minute basis. We're having right now who welcome. She said that the blonde mail operation the one with broad face. Apparently, he has temper issues, and he is the one that killed the guy with the black hair. Shit. I guess the Bruno at the black hat and the beard is the one that had the gambling debt and the blonde and tried to kill him. But then kill you got it. Are they the ones that are always? Yeah. So they're always stuck together. Let's hope that's not our fucking future. Can you imagine? If like he'll each in your afterlife as you're always in the same room with your killing. I mean, that's terrible. That's just like versus exact sort of what we wanted. So there's apparently always something often the energy of the building a lot of people just go in and just feel like there's something not right? A lot of people. A lot of guests at the restaurant. Feel like I'm not gonna say this super casually. Let me restart in like get my serious face on stop laughing. Guests in the restaurant often feel like they're being choked. Oh, dear. Or and or that their breathing is being restricted. Oh, dear. Because apparently one of the people who die one of the people died that way, I'm not. I'm not sure how I should have done. My research. Realizing that now someone someone died by being strangled. Well, it wasn't the measles girl. Go let's go through this. It wasn't the measles. Maybe the cowboy. Didn't they used to sell weight the cowboy guy because we don't know how he died? Yeah. Interesting. We figure it was the cowboy don't worry guys. We don't worry. We did our research on. He was called team effort. Called me not knowing what I'm doing. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, a lot of people go in there and feel like they are being choked. Especially if they start walking up the stairs, which is also a spot where people have been pushed down the stairs. So it seems to be like just like a violent space. It's like somewhere. I don't wanna be. So when John was still working there. He put an a glass stained glass window in honor of his father that's nine which was nice. But apparently when his father died, it might have attached to that part of the building. He might have apart attached you window. We'll because I'm being really glossing over it. So it say stained glass window, but it's a whole wall that's basically decorated and in honor of his father. And so they have a bunch like clippings of like being a war hero and things like that his whole. Yeah. So a lot of stuff that he would be connect. Okay. So then when he when he died apparently now a lot of people feel someone staring at them there. But it feels like a fatherly figure looking at you of all of the things that happened in this place. I guess as fine. The least bad I guess people. Also, feel a friendly tap on the shoulder. People have felt someone put their arm around them like like a buddy. But that was coming. It's not it's not too bad. Like of all things to happen. Apparently at the right before he died, he had really bad vertigo and a lot of people get dizzy spells in that area. Okay. So, but when people start reporting that that's when John was convinced that the spirit in that area was as dad because he was like, oh, my dad does he spells on the tall? So kind of cute. Who's to say we'll work on a better vocabulary? So when closing upstairs, one of the tasks is to put the barstools on upside down on the table and the chairs on the table that way the next morning people can come in and mop without things all over the floor and one of the employee's that was his task. But he went outside for a second. And he came back and heard the sound of furniture and tears being moved. And so he felt like oh someone's already starting. That's nice. He went up there. And he realized that everyone else had already clocked out. So he was by himself. And then not only were the chairs not upside down like they should be. But all of them had congregated into the middle. No, that's like some shit. Yeah. Yeah. He will. He also said like in a helter skelter way that was his wording, and I was like what a phrase to us. But okay, let's didn't put it in my notes, but I still set it. So it doesn't count. Terrible. Okay. So somewhat. Also, one of the spirit is also known to force plates out of servers hands as they're handing them to customers. Here's your soup. How would I imagine that? It's the it's definitely the cowboy though because I bet you they've changed uniform since then and he's just pissed. He's stuck in that one. He's like, oh, your t-shirt looks nice. Yeah. You don't know what it's like with in my in my little clothing boots. Yeah. What are those little shiny things? This little tiny come in Texas, everyone just screamed Spurs me. My first thought was to- rings. And then I was like. That's not where we're going. I guess okay. Oh, my okay. Also because I have no experience at all with Cowboys. My I thought if you didn't just jump out and screams Burs make you know, the things like Woody entirely doesn't have I would've gotten with that though, only you only cowboy can think of so. Yeah. Something will force. And it's not like it kind of knocks it out of your hand. It's like something fucking forces inside of your hand. And one of the former servers actually has been quoted saying I can attest to the force of the plates being rip for my hands and propelling fishing ships halfway across the room. Oh, no it happened. And it happened a lot. So apparently, it just feel like something's just smacking it out of your hands or frisbee the plate away. So. God. There's also a spirit one of the spirits of the woman. So we think the one that's dressed in nineteen twenties clothing, right? Apparently, she holds she also holds the ladies bathroom door shut just like a that state joint. But for like minimum twenty to twenty five minutes. Oh, great. And it's customary at this point to just know, you're gonna get locked in there, and the employees are prepared to just always go in and do bathroom checks because they are used to women just screaming at the top of their lungs trying to get out. But no one can hear them at over the music and everything so they're just they just go in and check them make sure that nobody's. And the doors aren't worked or anything. They swing totally fine. Like, and I've had this experience before where like I've had a for the people who don't believe I sound like crazy, but I have had the experience where door that very easily opens and closes all of a sudden just got stuck for forty five minutes, and it took like six people to try to open it, and it wouldn't. And then eventually we just gave up and I decided to like sit in the bathroom and just I had decided that's where I was sleeping the night. And then the door popped itself. Open and I was like. Oh, no. So. Anyway, stories like that because I've had that happen to me. Those like the first ones, I believe. So apparently, there's a lot of screaming women in the bathrooms. And one time impli heard a quote loud, hysterical shrieking coming from the bathroom, and he rolled his eyes. And I was like oh, another one. So. He went to go check. And apparently as he got closer the screaming louder and louder. He got wind to the bathroom. They tried to talk her down. He was trying to kick the door open. He was trying to like throws body into it. And she was becoming more and more hysterical. She's freaking out. And then eventually he like didn't know what to do just stood there and the door popped itself open. Oh, no. And no one was in there. Oh, no. Someone likes attention. Oh my God. Okay. So anyway, those are the stories of the red lion pub, but but I did tell you that I did have some stuff about the biography at a real quick pass. Yes. So so that's the theater that's across the street and. It is the theater that John Dillinger died or the alley that. Hang on. I'm gonna tell you about him. I'm going to pull a little mini Christine. Yeah. And I'll tell you like covering John Dillinger or no. And I was like should I be why I wanted to tell some stuff about him. But I didn't wanna like walk all over your story. But that's not happening. So I was going to do it. So John Dillinger. He was the first criminal to be public enemy number one. He. Awesome. He robbed ten to twenty banks in less than a year. He was a part of three jailbreaks. Yeah. He killed and or severely injured almost twenty people. No, I don't like that was either a member or associated with a game called the dirty dozen. Yeah. And he was charged for the first time at eleven years old for theft. So lifelong. So in nineteen thirty four I'm not going to get into like every I mean that was just like a quick little spark note for you. But in nineteen thirty four the cops we got to get this guy. So Dillinger he's apparently like fuck boy 'cause he took two women to the theater at one time. To do and Cavill doing cowboy, and he was like just fine barely. So they went to gain my, shiny, tow. Ring my. Spurs. So they went to go see Manhattan melodrama. Oh, yeah. Love that lick is it a movie or I think it's a movie it is because it's starring Clark Gable is what can be told me. Yes. So one of the women was dressed in a bright, orange dress. Sure. But it was mistaken for red. So now the story goes that she is the lady in red. But it was orange. Well, if you're colorblind it doesn't matter now probably does not win. So when Dillinger walked out of the theater, the police cornered him because they knew they were going to be they knew he was going to be at the theaters. So they cornered him Dillinger ran towards the alley and they shot him twice and he died. Oh, no. So he died in the alley right next to the theater, which is across from the red lion. Pub gotta gotta fun fact. Oh, dear. Witnesses knew when they saw this happen. And they looked at the by they were like holy shit that Sean Dillon Dillinger. So they all took out their handkerchiefs and started mopping up his blood as souvenirs. So they. Could say they had something. From that moment. I bet you someone out there is like, yeah. My great Granddad has a disgusting Christie thing. That's how we're saying gross. But there is someone who's grabbed that you're right. So the lady in red slash. She apparently might have double cross John because she told the FBI that would be there and this was an exchange. Apparently, she wasn't from here. And it was an exchange to get help to stay in the country. She was like all help you find him. So I'm gonna make sure he's the theater, and that's when you can get them. So she may have double crossed him. But apparently, there's a conspiracy theory where she actually double crossed the FBI and warned John diligent in advance. And they had a small town small time criminal that no one really knew yet take place because he looked so much Dylan. Dillinger that they made. Sure like, hey, John Dillinger's. Don't be here. We'll use your lookalike and kill 'em cover this story. This is cool. It's a doozy. Oh spoiler. Maybe who knows. You won't tell. No. So she double crossed the may may have if this conspiracy theories true double cross the FBI because instead of John being there a small time criminal. No one knew and he was new to the area to no one was gonna wonder where he was terrible. Okay. His name was Jimmy Lawrence. And he went to the theater in John's place. Jimmy looked just like him, and it gave John a time to escape. So. And the conspiracy has some weight to it because autopsy report says that the man had Brown is not blue like John Odier, the corpse had a heart the corpse at a heart condition since childhood and John did not oh also this person was shorter and heavier than they thought John was and to known scars that Dillinger was supposedly had we're not there. Oh, man. Interestingly enough to nobody ever heard from Jimmy Lawrence again. So you're may not have happened. And but it totally did sounds like three dollars agree. Right. Okay. And then. Bubba. Where was I? Oh, yeah. So this is just a fun fact, but I. So apparently, I'm gonna have to p like five seconds. Apparently, my mom's socially getting like flaws for pouring during dream, come true Ramada. So one of the things that he that John Dillon did because he was getting Sonal Torius. He was like, okay. Everyone knows all my like main physical characteristics. I need to get plastic surgery. So I can have a different face, and nobody can will know what I look like any more, and I'll get to start all over and keep keep it up. And so he spent five thousand dollars paid a doctor whose license had been revoked. Because he needed something quick. And this guy was like in jail with him at one time. So he at least knew that he could approach this person. My god. Okay. And was like chain my face. Oh my God. Then he did. And he got a surgery, and he was like, all right. I look like totally different person. Now, I get to have this whole other life and the cops are a couple of subs- behind now in campaign Megan and then when they shot him it was not even a month later. So he got all the surgery like just to like anyway and be going if if he was the one that really died and not the look alike, but I was totally the look like, right? I was a fun fact of like, oh, you you went through all the stuff and then like, not even thirty eight or right? Right. Right. So many way that theater since he did die right in the alley, and it's very historian. The theater itself. Does happen to have some ghosts including cold spots breezes brush up against you your arm gets wiped pet stroked. I don't know what were you wanna use? But none up in serum. People have pictures of lurking shadow figures school people also see something walked by them in the bathroom when they're alone their oppressions of people in old fashioned clothing in the audience. And when you look back to see who it was all of a sudden, nobody sitting there and finally there is a bluish bluish-gray figure of a man that runs from the theater to the alley falls, and then disappears as if as if it were John Dillinger's slash the lookalike playing their last couple seconds. Okay. So apparently a lot of people see the silhouette run out of the theater and into the alley and then follow God. Okay. That's all. I have. Okay. Joan. That was a lot guys. I'm sorry. But. Damn. That was a doozy. 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But yeah, there were a lot of things to pick from a lot of fun fun stories of pick from. So I picked one that. I am going to. I am very excited about this. I've been wanting to cover this for a long time and you'll see why. But today seemed like the perfect I'm gonna do it. So this is the story of the Chicago Tylenol murders. You don't know about it. No. That makes me so excited. Okay medicine. Yeah. Dude. Okay. It's more fun. When doesn't know because it's like, I'm telling him, really fun. There's like when did gypsy rose, and you had hill that was a game. Still one of my favorites. Okay. Let's just get into because this is a big one too. I'm going to. Doing. All right. There's a bar. You'll be fun. Okay. So let's just dive right in September twenty ninth. Nineteen eighty two. Oh, it starts really sad. So sorry Mary Kellerman a twelve year old girl from elk grove village. Illinois. Starts off a little happy. But it goes really sad. Sorry. So she wakes up feeling sick. She stays home from school her parents, give her some Tylenol. She goes into the bathroom to take it and moments later, she collapses to the floor. She is rushed to the hospital is pronounced dead at nine fifty six a m three forty five pm that same day. Twenty seven year old Mary Lynn Reiner is at home recuperating from giving birth to her fourth child, the hospital had given her Tylenol to take home if she has any pain. And so she takes two Tylenol and moments later, she collapses to the floor and dies next is Adam, Janice. He's twenty seven years old. He's a postal worker in Arlington heights. Who I love that vibe of like? So exciting. I try to. Yeah. Get excited when you can I guess, okay? Fine, fine. The sprinkles. The suburbs of Chicago the sprinkle of light. And this. All our lives. Okay. So. He's a twenty seven year old pills. Order he takes a sick day. 'cause he's not feeling. Well, he picks kids up from school stops at a jewel convenience store. See I didn't know that still existed. And he gets some Tylenol. He says he's going to take some Tylenol. He's gonna lay down a few months later. He comes staggering into the kitchen and by three fifteen pm. He is also done all my God. Years this again, eighty two okay? So after Adam is pronounced dead at the hospital. His family goes back to the house, basically in shock to to kind of collect themselves to figure out, you know, planning the he's twenty seven so they're like we've to plan a funeral. You know, it's a whole thing. So they are back at his house. Unfortunately, his younger brother Stanley has chronic back pain. So as goes to the medicine cabinet to grab him some Tylenol so to family members now. Well, so she gives him two pills of tunnel. And then she has a headache. So she takes to also. Three. Yeah. Within minutes. They both Klaff's rushed to the hospital and are both pronounced dead that night. Oh my God. Yeah. Bad bad news bears. So later that day thirty one year old Mary McFarland of elmhurst, Illinois. Spur. Mary big Farland tells her coworkers, she's a headache. She takes a couple of within minutes. She hits the floor and the night. She has also pronounced dead. Listen, we're almost through this Friday promised the next day around five o'clock police are sent to the apartment of thirty five year old flight attendant, Paula parents because she had not been heard from in a few days on her way home one night, she had stopped at Walgreens by some Tylenol. They actually have really well, they have surveillance photos of her at the counter buying Tylenol, and they actually released like Chicago police released the photo to the public because they believe that a man who is several feet behind her. Watching her is the perpetrator. Yeah, we're going to get to that don't worry. But just a you remember polyp rinses, the one in the surveillance photo, Paula prints got prince. So she bought the Tylenol nobody had heard from her for a few days. So they to -partment, and they find the bottle of Tylenol sitting open on her vanity. She had stepped one step away from the vanity and had collapsed and died. It's happening so fast. It's so fast already know sorry. But I don't rule. Like, it's very subtle. They're just minute. Yeah. Like moments like God. Wow. Yeah. Is really crazy. This is bad news. Very bad. Yes. Very bad. So we've now reached seven victims on the Chicago area. It was ultimately the fact that three people died in the same household, which was obviously the Janus household that led investigators to some answers. So Cook County investigator Nick p shows compared the Janice Tylenol bottle to Mary Kellerman bottle notice that they shared one similarity which was the control number on the bottle. So he calls a deputy exam medic. So he tells them deputy metal examiner though, let me start over. You know, what to do God who I got excited? Okay. So when the deputy medical examiner, Edmund Donoghue hears this he tells shows, hey, you should smell the bottles. And I I was like well, you smell the fucking bottle. Right. That was my thought I was like. Facing that. Read too, many of these stories and now are just especially everything until smell taste lick. Hello to do. I. Yeah. Be like, I'll do after you. Right. So right. So he's like you should smell and he's like, okay. I also did find out they were on the phone. So I was like, okay. That makes a little more sense. I thought it was kind of just like, oh, you smell it on board. We're on the phone. So. P show smells the bottle. And he says, it's smells like almonds. And now do we know what smells like almonds? Thank you. I didn't know that you did it. I'm learning so much. Cyanide, smells, like bitter homes. So it's actually really lucky that he noticed that. Because apparently only fifty percent of the population can actually like smell that almond smell cyanide has got I don't know if I'm one of those people so hopefully like being a super smeller like like how super taster, but it's still fifty percent of the population. So okay, not that super. But look I just learned this like five minutes. Okay. I'm not gonna I just. Going. Okay, listen. He's also moments so worry about it. So anyway, they test Tylenol pills. Turns out they were laced with cyanide potassium cyanide. Add up to one thousand times, the lethal dose. Literally one pill had the capacity to kill one thousand people. So that's why they were. That's why they know what they're literally exactly hit the floor and seconds over only God. So just very extreme very quick very strong. So so right now my assumption that someone is planting cyanide in Thailand. All yeah. Yeah. That's what they're realizing. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I'm on board. So police you're just like this guy county guy. Yeah, I'm Samina or something. Yeah. That's right. And so police rule out manufacturers because the tampered with bottles had different came from different pharmaceutical companies. So they were like, okay. It's not the manufacturer. However, because obviously all this seven deaths that happened in Chicago. They were like, well it couldn't have been sabotaged at the production level because it had happened in like a production facility. They would have been spread out all over the country. So no police are thinking like you said that the culprit had. Purchase various bottles at retail outlets throughout Chicago, adding cyanide into the capsules and they were like these the capsules that had like you could open them up and they had like powder inside them. It wasn't like a gel cap or anything out you could open them up. So they believe that someone was buying the bottles adding cyanide into the capsules and then methodically returning to the stores to place them back on the shelves. So the killer would have had to do this shortly before the murders they realized because the cyanide otherwise would have eaten through the bottle. So they were like it must have happened like the day before. Otherwise, assign would have corroded the plastic of the bottle. Gotcha. So they the whoever did this would have been in Chicago, basically during when these murders were happening so on October fifth nineteen eighty-two Johnson and Johnson completely halted Tylenol production and issued a nationwide recall of all Tylenol products. Approximately thirty one million bottles were in circulation at the time. And all of them were pulled off the shelves who it was. Insane. It costs the company estimated one hundred million dollars. Yeah. It was not good for them. All thirty one bottles million bottles were removed from shelves nationwide. Johnson and Johnson eight the costs by the way that today we're equivalent to about two hundred sixty seven million dollars. So it's quite oh my goodness. Quite a chunk of change. That's a lot of money. Yeah. Johnson and Johnson also offered a one hundred thousand dollar reward for any information that my identify the perpetrator and this is weird guys. But Chicago police jerk through the streets with mega megaphones. Are you the bad guy? Come out come out wherever you are. Where onto you. Sort of they drove through saying don't take Tylenol. That's probably more is widely more us. A better use of their time, oxen free. Yeah. Red Rover red Rover send bad guys on over. Oh boy. So they literally drove through the streets with like, megaphone shouting, don't take Tylenol and obviously surprise surprise is caused like a fucking mega panic in Chicago in basically the entire country. Fortunately, the Johnson Johnson was like really behind that. They were like, yeah. Like, make sure nobody else gets hurt and yada, yada. Even though they're sharing their pain killer market dropped from thirty five percent to eight percent with. Yeah. But for them as company, it is they actually look back like they use that as an example of this is how corporate preoccupied work rather than some of the fun ways that they do now. Anyway, so terribly enough hundreds of copycat attacks involving Tylenol and other over the counter medications took place around the US yet immediately following the Chicago does. So it wasn't just Tylenol excedrin Advil like people to started fucking with what's. The flyer there. Multiple people out there who this is funny. Organ like cool. I'll do that too. I don't know. So anyway, it didn't at the time. It was a full on panic. Nobody nobody felt safe. Everyone was throwing out their medications, obviously, there were approximately two hundred and seventy copycat attacks within the month after the Chicago, maybe two hundred seventy who terrible. Which obviously also didn't help them narrow down. Right. The possible. It's not original perpetrated. Right. Right. Okay. So they tested one point five million bottles, which was approximately ten million pills and they found fifty capsules containing cyanide across eight different bottles. So five of the bottles belong to the victims. Two of them were sent back in the recall and one was still found sitting on a store shelf in Chicago unsold. So that one was still out there like possibly going on just thank God. It was not, but that's a little chilling. Investigators looked into every disgruntled employees who worked or had worked where the tainted Tylenol was made stored or sold. So just thousands of people any shoplifters who had been caught at the stores where the Tylenol was found or reevaluated anyone who had been recently released from prison or psychiatric hospitals in the Chicago area were interrogated even publicized the victims funerals in the hopes that the killer would show up. But this did not bring about any significant leads. They still cannot figure who held this. But they did have a couple. Suspects. Good. So I'm going to tell you about them. Good. Okay. There's I think couple more like suburbs in here. So don't worry. We'll get to them. You'll have your moment. Yeah. You'll have your cheering moment. Okay. So number one suspect number one forty eight year old dockworker Roger Arnold. He said some suspicious things at a bar one night about basically alluding to the fact that he had done the Tylenol poisoning. So police were tipped off about that. And they searched his home. They found out that he worked at the jewel warehouse with the father of Mary Reiner, one of the victims and Mary Reiner had actually purchased her Tylenol at a store that happened to be directly across the street from the psychiatric ward where Roger Arnold's wife was a patient. So they thought like maybe somehow there was a connection like he was visiting his wife at the hospital and had gone across the street to plant the Tylenol. Especially because he knew Mary Reiner. So did it are they also found so they search his house? They found a number of crime manuals. Okay. Well, we can find that in our studio though to be fair. Well, we both know that if anyone searches my home ever, I'm fucked. So or your internet has straight my browser history. I'm screwed. It's bad bad bad about I literally earlier like lethal cyanide dose like it's not good. I would be in big and my Google history. Today was ways people often die in Chicago. Number top five ways. People die in Chicago. Unlike any your IP address location, Chicago. I was like how to open pills to put inside. Yeah. It's not good. It's really bad. We're screwed. But this guy had the early version of that. Which was literal books said like how to do cry? Ex. Yeah. Ooh. What what's that? I don't know. So they were like, that's odd. They also found chemistry supplies in house, including beakers vials and different powders. None of them are cyanide. But mysterious powders so police never had enough to arrest him. So the next suspect that we're going to go to the month after the murders October nineteen eighty-two Johnson and Johnson receives a letter demanding one million dollars and they'll stop the killings. So the letters did not have a return address, but they did have a Bank. They had like a Bank account number to wire the money in basically, however, because they're the FBI they fingerprinted it and found the fingerprints of whoever sent it and traced the paperback to tax consultant named James William Lewis strangely. However, the Bank account that he had listed in the letter where the one million dollars is supposed to be wired to did not belong to him. Instead it belong to a man named Frederick Miller. Mckay, he who was a former employer of James. James believed had cheated his wife out of five hundred and eleven dollars. So he put his old bosses Bank account information on the paper hoping that the F B I would then expose this man's theft of five hundred eleven so petty. He actually said I was hoping to embarrass him. And it's like. That's the most. I know it is. Yeah. So police still were like we should still look into this just in case he did have a questionable past. He had been charged with murder in nineteen seventy eight in Kansas City after police found the remains one of his clients in his attic. But I will do it. However crazy enough a judge ruled that the search of his home was a legal because they did not have a search warrant. So the charges were dropped. Incredible. Incredible. Oh, love it. Love it. Love it. Also Lewis and his wife had recently launched a short-lived business venture in which they attempted to import pill making machines from India. And when police had caught onto that crime. So they had been living in New York City when police caught onto that crime, Louis and his wife fled from New York City, Chicago, and they lived there in hiding for almost a year. And this happened to be right around the time that the Chicago Tylenol murders took place yet, so bad timing. And also remember that so I was talking about Paula prints in the surveillance showed up. Yeah. You remember? Oh, miss Brown. Member paula. So the bearded man, it's very creepy. If you can look up the photo, and there's a guy like several behind her while she's in line buying the pills and he's just staring directly. Very spooky. Yeah. So they believe that was the suspect. Well, this guy looks us like this Louis stewed. Oh, yeah. So a lot of people were like, yeah. That's for sure him, but it was black and white low bit grainy. So it's hard to tell for sure. Cool. Let's our it was I dunno. Okay. Can I tell story real quick? Yes. Always you know, the you said that the pills they like we're taking part. Yeah. Yeah. What did you do? Back when I worked at my old job the same place where I had to carve carrots to look like Cheetos. Yes. The good old days. I'm not going to say the show or the actor. I had to do this for but I'm not saying I already outed enough people. But my one of the things that I had to I was I was the the pill filler for all of the TV movie shows that you've watched if someone took a pill. I'm the one that put back in powdered sugar and that pill. There was what a cool job. But there was what ever quit that. I don't know. I guess the be here tonight. I guess it's fine. So there was there was one one actor. Yes. Had to it was like the most simple scene there had to take one pill one time in the entire series of the show. But demanded that there were one hundred pills. So that God forbid they need to do it one hundred times and all of them had to be stevia not powdered sugar. Right. The way is so is so if just imagine like doing this with stevia for like five hours, and apparently like turns into concrete on your own crews. Anyway, that was my story. But then I watch that up Assode. And of course, this didn't even make it into the show. Bane of my exurbs rough. Okay. For now. You got it. But sense you did this. I've been thinking about that. So I needed to say it and you right back to that. Oh, no. I was just thinking the whole time you were talking about this is like I used to work as an Asana show. Also, I will not name and my job was to scrape kale off the floor with a butter knife. So yeah, super good and kale was on the floor because I always bought salads with producer, and they had too much lettuce on them. So he would throw them on the ground, and then I would have to it's a whole thing. It was LA's exactly. Like, you think it is by the way. Yeah. This salad sucks too. And then you have to clean it up. There's so much extra lettuce in this salad. I cannot this. Why evil loves us so much? We just throw shit all over the floor. Every time we look at where like get us a salad with less lettuce. Make me a pill of stevia now. I need one hundred CVS pack pills. Mount do it with their fingers. No, no, no. No. No. Anyway, I don't even know what the hell. I'm talking about. This is fun though. Okay. We'll do a whole episode horrible Hollywood experience time. Time. They're like, yeah. We just fucking to hurt it. Thanks god. Okay. Sorry. I'm going to go back to this terrible murder thing that happened that was trying to do the sparkle of white thing. Yeah. You know suburbs. Okay. Yada, yada, yada. Right. So you pill machines, they moved to Chicago to hide out. They were there during the murders. Okay. So then he looked right. He looked like the surveillance photo. And people were like, oh, should I think that's him? However, it turns out that he and his wife had actually bought Amtrak tickets and gone from Chicago back to New York City of timber fourth nineteen eighty two which was twenty five days before the murders. And because they said the cyanide would have had been placed there like the day before at the latest because the cyanide would eat through the bottles. They said there's no way he could have done it. If he was gone twenty five days before got it. Okay. So they said like it's it's possible that he flew in for like two hours, and then place them and flew out. But it's very unlikely very specific. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It seems very unlikely. However because he fucking is an asshole he was convicted of extortion and serve thirteen years of a twenty year sentence for trying to pin this murder multi person murder on his old boss for St.. For one hundred dollars for five hundred dollars. So he served thirteen years of a twenty year sentence, and he was released in nineteen ninety-five on Pearl. But that's not the end of his story because well, okay while he was in prison. Louis bizarrely offered his help to the FBI and explained in detail how someone might go about injecting the capsules with lethal amounts of cyanide. So they were like, well, we're gonna keep an eye on you. Anyway. Some interesting question. He's even know a lot about about how this might work. That's not enough in twenty ten. So he was released in ninety five in twenty ten James Lewis published a book, I'm not making this up. I'm not making called poison exclamation point. This literally. Guilty. Boy. It was me the books literally like it's the most like, oh, God, it's already it's called X. And then the subtext is the doctor's dilemma, but he insisted that the book had nothing to do with the Tylenol murders. Obviously. So. Best me, they're hearing really know. They were like, well, we he says it has nothing to do with it. We can't really pin it on like. Let's just put him in our pocket for a number two. Now, the next Specht is my favorite already, very interesting. I put four wise on vary. So you know, it's going to be good. The next suspect is Ted Kaczynski. The Yuna bomber. Who currently serving life in prison for killing three people wounding twenty three others with bomb sent through the mail. This is just one theory. But I think pretty solid one. And a lot of people do actually think that it was him. So Ted Kaczynski is an Illinois native and his first bomb was found in Chicago. Obviously, that's where them our place. However, there is one Tylenol death that was not official and occurred two months before the Chicago murders and that was a cyanide poisoning poisoning via extra strength Tylenol of J atom Mitchell in Sheridan, Wyoming of all places. It was kind of like an outlier. Okay. And Sheridan, Wyoming is a town very far from Chicago. But also very close to end on the route to cause Inskeep. Cabin in Montana where he lived at the time of the killings. Okay. So if you look at a map, it's very weird. It's like Chicago's here. Sure to hear Kevin's over here. Oh, they're very very been a practice scenario. They think maybe he was pencilling. By the theory think. Yeah. Maybe he did like a trial run. So there's also a map of where all the Tylenol purchase purchases were made in Chicago. And weirdly enough, the epicenter of the map like, you know, how they do that thing on criminal minds where they're like. Well, the line the li- line, right? Love a good line. You know? Oh my gosh. Love a good criminal minds. Let's later. Sorry. I just got really swept up in my own thoughts. So right. So they found the quote epicenter, which is oftentimes aware the person lives because they kind of try to go out of their own neighborhood. But then I see ends up creating kind of like a perimeter. That's so nice. Oh. We still got it. Remember that time we said perimeter at the same time. Even write that down times. Simpler time. So they found the per-. Okay. They've found the epicenter of the map, and it happened to be because skis parents house where he occasionally stayed. So that was awed. So according to ski himself has motive was quote, a desire to destroy the public's faith, and the technological industrial system. And in his manifesto. He expressed a dislike specifically of the manufacturers of drugs and pills. Okay. So they were like that is an odd checks out checks out. Okay. So this is like a weird fun fact that I didn't know. But maybe y'all know did you Ted Kaczynski had an obsession with would. Yeah. Okay. No two people do. Okay. Well, I'll tell you. How he so? Okay. So we had this obsession with like the concept of would. I know it's weird. Let me explain. So several of his bombing victims that he picked had the last name would or lived on streets that were either called like would've new or they had like a type of wood like pine street. Like, I'm not kidding. He interests. Yeah. He had a weird obsession. With basically the vocabulary surrounding would listen. Okay. Right. Okay. So like should be the least what's happened on this whole. But all along what I'm like, I do have a couple examples so one of his victims was named Percy. So he picked these bombing victims kind of like random seemingly, but there are connections. For example, one of his victims was named Percy would who lived in lake forest, Illinois. All right like. Okay. So one of the other victims was Gilbert Murray who president of the California Forestry Association and the return addresses and pseudonyms that he would put on the packages like the bombs that he would mail would include references to would for example, one of the pseudonyms. He was Frederick Benjamin Isaac would who lived on five four nine would street in would like California, these that's literally overcompensate with the would. Yes. Too much realty. He's not even being clever route the euphemism at all, but whatever we'll talk about later. Okay. So would like, yeah. So basically, he had this clearly like thing, and he would leave clues kind of like, I mean, a lot of people think he's he's the zodiac killer. He left a lot of clues and cryptograms, and they all had to do with the wood like, it's very odd. So there were so many ways would could be just a word would too. It's not even like oh. And then he's gonna do clever. Like, no, it's just a fucking word. He's not even. Ever about it. Anyway. Okay. We'll talk about that for like five hours and talk about it. But I do have to tell you why I'm talking about it now because everyone's like, please stop. But I do have a reason why I'm telling you about we'd obsession which is that two of the three of Johnson and Johnson had the middle. Name would. Okay. What's more guest? Who else had a Brown? Guess who else? Had no. Brown. What I didn't. I don't listen I didn't speak English for a while. It's a whole thing. Don't worry about it. What's more guest who else had a Brown? Beard receding hairline like the photo in the the guy in the the Paula prints photo who had Kozinski. I forgot to tell you. He had a Brown bear number seating. Bill. That's part of the thing. If you look at the photo, it looks kind of like it could either be this Louis guy or Ted Kaczynski 'cause it's kind of blurry. But like it really could be either one of them. So little weird, obviously, all of this is circumstantial evidence, but in February two thousand nine the FBI did request DNA sample from Kaczynski. So they were obviously taking the lead seriously like the FBI believed he could be possibly suspect, however because himself has denied any involvement, which is a little bit because he's already in prison for life, and these not the type to kind of like deny involvement if he's because he has his whole manifesto like it doesn't he would say he didn't do it. If he if he did. Right. Gotcha. So in the end, unfortunately to this day. No one knows who the Tylenol killer was or what their motive may have been. But there is some good news that came all this. 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What are the Strangest Mating Habits in the Animal Kingdom?

Part-Time Genius

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What are the Strangest Mating Habits in the Animal Kingdom?

"Parttime genius is supported by Gramley the communication tool that helps improve your writing for every occasion start writing more confidently for work school or even on the go. It's a great way to double check your important papers documents, and even avoid future Typos eighty five percent of surveyed premium users identified themselves as stronger writers and seventy six percent now find writing more enjoyable. In addition to spelling and grammar grammar, Lee, premium house with advanced punctuation structure style within context, vocabulary suggestions, conciseness readability for different occasions, get twenty percents off grammar. Lee premium today at Gramercy dot com slash genius. That's Graham early dot com slash genius. Guess what will what's that mango? So I was reading the story in the New Yorker about tennis grunts and as you know, I'm a tennis fan and we've already talked about how grunting can help a player hit harder. I like how we've talked about tennis grunting multiple you. Remember this fact that actually there is a slight advantage to grunting when you hit because it, I guess it kind of muffles the sound of the ball hitting the racket. So you don't know the precise moment when it hits, right? Yeah, that's right. But the article was about something slightly different. So apparently this researcher published a paper on how just by studying the grunts during a game, you can actually predict which opponent is going to win. And the research we came up with this massive taxonomy of grunts and analyze the tones and the pitches, and he came up with this system that actually beat bookies best guesses well, but what was most interesting was that the researcher published this paper in a journal called animal behavior, and you only came to the conclusion because it mimicked what he was studying in red male deer, like the deer actually face off. In this grunt match where they bark at each other from few feet away, and it's what the New Yorker referred to as a volley of roars. But as one starts becoming more dominant, the others grunts weakened and get thinner and eventually they lose the match and the opportunity to mate. That's so funny so, but it works the same way in tennis or what? Yeah, basically. So when the grunting is stronger, you can tell which players controlling the game. But the whole story made me think like, why do male deer us grunting at one another way to win the mates affections and why don't they do dances or something were creative, like built things and what exactly are the strangest courtship tricks in the animal kingdom. So let's dive in. Podcast listeners welcome to part time. Genius. I'm well Pearson, and as always I'm joined by my good friend main guest ticket and on the other side of the soundproof glass drafting what does that a Craigslist ad in search of a skydiving partner? That's our friend and producer tristen McNeil. And if that sounds like a weird way to find a companion. Well, I think you're right. It is a weird way. Well, in his defense, tristen plan was inspired by the meeting habits of bald eagles. So vol deals actually use a special kind of skydiving when they're testing potential meets. So I the love birds fly super high, and then they locked their talents together and start tumbling cartwheeling towards the ground. This is a move that researchers actually referred to as this death spiral a deaths. Yeah. So it gives you an idea of the stakes and the birds mostly like before they hit the ground. But the whole thing is a test of the eagles can judge each other fitness and whether they're good enough for each other to be a match. And if they are, they'll actually mate for life and they won't have to do this sort of dating technique thing again the next year way, though I'm back to Tristan like, is that what he's basing his plan on or what I think so. And it's why my motto is always never take dating vice from birds of prey. That's pretty good advice there mango. Yeah. The animal kingdom is full of plenty of other equally dangerous and complex or just downright bizarre. Mating habits. You know, you think about like the fist pumping fiddler crabs to the OCD Bauer birds. It's it's a wild world out there when it comes to the animal love lives. And so with that in mind, we thought it'd be fun to devote an entire episode to some of the weirdest and most surprising courtships from all kinds of different species. So we'll look at all the biological reasons behind each animal's preferred method of attraction and who. Knows maybe we'll pick up a few tips along the way. Well, probably not from these first year because I thought we could follow Tristan's lead and get some of the scarier mating habits out of the way I answer if you look into it, they're actually a lot of those. So humans have the luxury of thinking of sex and positive and pretty pleasurable terms. But for most other animals, sexist strictly for survival, where creating offspring is really the only goal and many of the tactics forgetting there tend to be pretty unpleasant. So there's this biologist, Karen Bonder, and this is how she put it from bugs to mammals and everything in between. The scene is set for violence, conflict and war is Shan paid no rose. That note, where do you want to start? Well, I don't know if I want to talk about war, but I do want to start with Arabian camels. Now these are the one humped camels that you'll find mainly in the desert of the Middle East than in Africa. And while they do have all kinds of cool ways to help their bodies retain water and beat that scorching heat where they live, the males of the species also have this really gross adaptation that they use just to let the lady camels. No, they're in the mood. So I like the word gross gone. Well, it's called a dull, and it's basically this inflatable air sac in the mail, camels throat. So when one of these guys is ready to mate, they'll puff up their dull and once it's nice and big lump it out of the side of their mouth for all the females. See, see one of these things before until we were doing the research for this episode you see before, and the thing is just nasty like it's pink and slimy and definitely doesn't look like something you'd want. Hanging out of your boyfriend's mouth. Apparently that's what Campbell's are into. I mean, that does undiscussed ING, but is that where it ends like, do they just flop this gross air psych out in the roads? And then just the ladies come running. You'd think. But actually it's just the beginning. So once there are inflated, the Arabian camel start gurgling their spit to produce this deep, low mating sound. And this gets so intense that the camel start foaming the mouth, which is, of course, just like that makes their Dulles that much grocer. But if that isn't enough to catch a lady, camels I, the males will then you know they use use a good trick. They peon their tails and then wave them around through the air. It's just beautiful. Yeah. I mean, they seem like a bunch of casanovas. It does remind me of male hooded seals and how they inflate this special part of their nostrils to attract a mate. So you know what I'm talking about. Oh, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, I mean, is that part of the nasal member does actually called the hood, and that's what gives the seals their names and when they blow it up to full size, it looks like a big foot, long pink bubble just sticking out of their nose, and it is so gross. I mean, it's also amazing that like so many different species would be attracted to having like giant skin blooms erupt from your face. It's just so weird but, but speaking of things erupting out of faces that just apparently what we're doing here today. Have you ever heard of the may moustache toad I haven't, but I love this idea of like little toads with handlebar moustache is well, that will be much cuter. This thing actually does. So for one month a year, all the male emai- toads grow a row of extremely sharp, facial spikes, and these all are just above their mouth. Sure. And these spikes are tough enough that they gross straight through the toad skin. There actually made of Carrington, which is the same substance that our fingernails are made. But the best part about these spiky whiskers is their name. Scientists refer to these as nuptial spines, which is just so sweet. Maybe I feel like I don't know enough about him to judge himself. What what are they doing with these nuptial spines? Well, they're really for defense more than anything else. And if you think about breeding season, it can be pretty competitive for a lot of animals. And of course, these toads are no exception to that. So the males will frequently fight each other for the best nesting sites. And these nuptial spines are their weapon of choice. So basically the toads try to get their spikes underneath and opponents, so they can flip him over and this bikes are really well suited for this. And if any of them are broken off during a tussle, they actually just grow right back. And then once the breeding season is over, they all fall off naturally. That's crazy. Yeah. I mean, I do like this idea of just watching these tiny frogs, poke it each other with their mustache, just for the right to mate with a woman. At being a lady told me they're doing that for me just spike in each other. It's pretty amazing. So speaking of weird, have it said there's this tiny marsupial in Australia, it's called the antagonise. And they kind of look like a mix between a rat and a mole, and they go through an absolutely excruciating breathing process. It's actually called speed mating which makes it sound cooler than it actually is. But basically every year around springtime, all the males go into this testosterone fueled frenzy for the next two or three weeks. They just mate around the clock. Like this isn't an operation like these guys stopped eating, stop sleeping. They just go from partner to partner. They spent fourteen hours straight with each one is it's crazy. I mean, how do they sustain that kind of pace? You think all the males would just keel over at some point. So that's the thing they do. Like all adult males were born after the mating season, but not a single one of them is going to live that full twelve months like literally made themselves to death. And it's during that two or three week vendor, and it is grizzly to their first falls out. They go blind. They get these internal bruising 's and and they just keep on meeting Ult. The males. Testosterone levels are just sky high. That kind of proves there and doing and this is how wired breaks down, quote, wild tesosterone, mobilizes all the sugars and the antagonists body. So it doesn't need to feed for the three week orgy. It also glitches the mechanism responsible for regulating the production of cortisol, a stress hormone than small amounts results in bursts of energy and higher paid intolerances with runaway levels of cortisol, though the males bodies literally begin to fall apart, bone density. Plummets blood sugar levels, go nuts. Their munitions essentially degrade to worthlessness as open source form and never he'll, of course, females are also quit stressed during all this, but they don't produce anywhere near the same levels of Austrian. So their cortisol regulation remains normal, and then the females if they survive, which I guess most of them do. They have to go through that nightmare all over again the next year. So yeah, it's seems pretty rough for all involved. Yeah. I mean, the one thing is that they do get a little bit of peace and quiet once that yours of male. Of all died out. You know, the the females get to catch up on some rest and then like a few weeks into spring the forest filled with insects for them to feast on. And you know, now that half the population has gone, it's just easier to eat. It's clearly not a perfect system. I, in fact, there's this one colleges named Andrew Baker who recently said, quote, if you have to sit down and design reproductive system, you wouldn't come up with this. One is the only option they've got for carrying on the species. So you know, what are you gonna do. I think stay away from Australia during mating season. Pretty bizarre. All right. Well, my next Gary animal courtship belongs to the anglerfish, and this is another one where the males willingly destroy themselves for the sake of breeding, but it's a much more gradual destruction in this case and the females definitely come out the clear winners on this one. So I actually think I've heard of this one. It's the males are like parasites, right? That's right. And to be specific, we're talking about a particular sub order of the anglerfish. These are the ratio it's and they account for only twenty five or so of the hundred sixty nine. Species of deep sea anglers. Now the females belonging to the sub order just looked like what you'd think of when you picture anglerfish. You've got those huge mouths full of those needle like teeth and that long curves stock with a glowing yet to light the way for the smaller unlucky fish. It's just amazing. The look at those thing in action on believable, the male suray show. It's don't look like this at all. There's no needle teeth. No hanging lantern and the weirdest thing of all they are about sixty times smaller than the female sixty times. Yeah. So in fact, in the nineteenth century, when scientists first started classifying this ratio, it's they only worked with the female specimens because they didn't even recognize the males as belonging to the same species. It was this big scientific mystery like where are all the males, and it wasn't until the mid nineteen twenties that scientists realized what was going on. And that was when one researcher finally decided to dissect these smaller fish that were attached to the side of. The female anglerfish and as it turned out, the male fish were right under their noses the whole time, they just been either ignored or miss classified. So I, I'm fascinated by this house actually do the males get attached to the females and are they just kind of stuck there on the sides? Yeah. So so the way that works is that the male angler starts the hunt for a mate by following this very species, specific, fair moan that the females give off and the males actually have the biggest nostrils in proportion to their heads of any other animal on the planet. So they at least have that bragging. So they're well equipped for this job and apparently only one percent of these males ratio ratios ever actually find female tonight. More to believe. Yeah. So for the lucky few who do find a mate, the next step is to bite into her belly and move on for life. So then over time the males body fuses with the female to the point that their skin actually joins together and so do their blood vessels. It's the weirdest thing. And then at this point, the male is pretty much set like he's a total deadweight. He doesn't need to see or swim or even eat like a normal fish anymore. All is nutrients come directly from his mates blood. And so pretty soon all the organs, the mail doesn't really use any more. They just start to wither away. We're we're not talking about like all these internal organs we're talking about is Finn's, of course, the internal organs, everything. And so you've basically got this little lump that just feeds off exchange for providing sperm whenever she's ready to spawn. And I, it does remind me there's there's one friend from college that I think fits. This might be him. Yes, that is. Really so creepy and guessing Syria shows are pretty much monogamous right. Like this fusing mating process doesn't seem like it's reversible. I guess you could say that the males are monogamous because yeah, there's no going back for them once all of your organs, Conway is or no longer there, but it's probably because of how slim their chance of finding a mate is to begin with. So if they do manage to find somebody, they're literally not going to ever let go, but the females are different case. I mean, they actually live up to like thirty years or so. So once a male has been completely absorbed and can no longer supply a steady stream of sperm, the females might collect several more over the course of their lifetime. I mean, the more we talked about this, the more just sounds like straight out of a horror movie or something. Actually, I came across this great quote about how unbelievable this all sounds. And this was from a naturalist name Willie b. He wrote this back in nineteen thirty eight. And this was after the truth about this bizarre mating habits finally had been brought to light, and here's what he had to say about it to be driven by impelling odor headlong upon a mate so gigantic in such immense and forbidding darkness and willfully eat a hole in her soft side to feel the gradually increasing transfusion of her blood through one's veins to lose everything that marked one as other than a worm to become a brainless senseless thing that was a fish. This is sheer fiction beyond all belief unless we have seen proof of it. Well, it's a very romantic process, but would you say we switch gears and cover some of the sweeter more thoughtful ways the animals used to fund. That sounds like a nice change of pace mega. But first, let's take a quick break. So last week I stumbled into one of the first business cards I made in our mental floss days. I had gotten some card stock from the store and use my home printer and designed this thing, and it looks and feels terrible. Yes, they did and I get it all these years because it's just funny. But the thing is, especially when you're starting a business, it is so important to feel professional and confident and prepared at all times. I remember those with the cartoon you drew, right. 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And if you don't like what you see, they'll make it right either by reprinting your order or offering a refund fingerprint really wants to do something great for your business right now, which is why our listeners will get five hundred high quality, custom business cards for just nine ninety. Nine use the code genius at vistaprint dot com. That's the code genius at vistaprint dot com. And just in case you missed it. That's genius at vistaprint dot com. Listen to part time genius, and we're talking about the softer side of animal or chips. Okay. Well, so earlier you told us about the actual spines and now I think it's my turn to tell you about something called nuptial gifts. The word nuptial is coming up more than expected, but all right. What kind of wedding gifts are we talking about here? So it varies from species to species because all animals have you know different sort of ideas of gift giving, but insects particular are big on nuptial gifts, so mail, hang flies, attract their mates by hanging from the underside of a leaf while dangling some captured prey from the back legs and interested females the land on the underside leaf and hang the same way the men do and then the lower wings to signal for the mail to present the gift. And once the male holes, the captured insect up to her female inspects assize. And if she thinks the gift is large enough, she'll stick around after dinner, the meat. But if the gift isn't up to snuff, then she'll just drop off the leaf and had to the next one. I'm curious, are nuptial gifts always some form of captured prey or animals interested in other kinds of presents, or what are they looking for? Food is probably one of the most common gifts and then we'll kingdom apart from insects. Plenty birds also offer food is part of courtship, and this mainly away for the mail to show that he's physically fit and he's offer the challenge of providing nutrition for their offspring. You know if the female chooses to mate with them, but sometimes the presentation is a little lacking. Like, you know, there's this verd- called the great grey shrike and it lives on a lot of different northern regions and is not GIO, puts it male strikes impaled their prey on thorns, creating a mouse kebab of sorts Email survey the options and go for the mail with the media skewer. I mean, I guess they get some points for creativity if you wanna look at it that way and people love kebabs. So why should. I do wanna get back to insect role for a minute because bugs can be just as resourceful as birds when presenting their nuptial gifts like I was reading about how male fireflies don't just grab the nearest pray and handed over to the mates. Instead they actually make their own little nutrient rich bundles and they use a bunch of specialized glands designed specifically for gift making. That's while. And did you get sense of what these bundles are made of soom? It's gross, whatever the answer. Yeah, definitely. But you know, researchers have actually sected these nuptial gifts and they've run all sorts of genetic pessimism. And it turns out the little bundles are packed with more than two hundred different proteins, which is kind of wild when you remember that. Like it all came from a male firefly, but what's even more impressive are some of the highly specific jobs that these proteins do. So for instance, some of the compounds would prompt the female to produce more eggs. Some them increase the efficacy of the male sperm, there's even this one toxic chemical in there that. Apparently makes firefly eggs taste terrible. I haven't checked on this. It's obviously helpful for protecting from predators and it is all super affective. In fact, the research team that broke down reading list also found that female fireflies consume nuptial gifts, ultimately produce more eggs throughout their lifetime, and even live longer too. If course, this works out well for the males as well, because the ones who produce larger gifts tend to have more offspring. I kind of wish there was an animal that gave gifts kinda like we do something that's just a show of fiction and not really useful on its own. So curiouser all of these animals giving like useful types of gifts or did you come across any that were just like for fun or as a sign of affection? So it's funny. She said, because I was actually looking for that as well, and I found the male humpback dolphin does this. So once they find a female, they like the male will dive deep, the bottom of the ocean and search for the biggest marine sponge he could find. And then he balances that sponge on his rostrum, which the word for that declared snout dolphins and he'll bring up. And finally toss it over to the girl he has. I on rostrum never knew what that word. And so is this something that happens often like it's not just a one off kind of thing. So that's what I was wondering too. And there's actually a study last year from researchers at the university of Western Australian Perth, and they observed male humpback dolphins presenting sponges seventeen different times along thousand mile stretch of strean Khosla n- and those instances were spread across five separate dolphin pods. So it's not like there was just this one sponge happy family. You know, it seems to be a species wide practice. I'm curious. What makes you think that these sponges are impractical gifts. I mean, it feels like maybe they could be using them as a tool for something like I know dolphins do that with with certain things. Yeah, that's true. So lots of dolphins us marine sponges when they're forging for food like bottlenose dolphins, they'll stick the sponges on the tip of the rostrum so that they can scrounge for food without cutting up their noses, or you know, on all these like sharp rocks or shells that around it's pretty clever, but that's not what. Going on with the humpback dolphins and Australian research team martyred, the females who receives sponges and according to them, the females definitely didn't use the gift for foraging. Instead the researchers think the whole thing might be a test of the males character or kind of a demonstration of qualities mate. So this is how atlas obscure explains theory quote choosing the right sponge and successfully extricating it from whatever hard thing it was attached to could be a sign of extremity and strength on top of that finding and presenting the sponge may also represent a symbol of cognitive ability. The researchers report because not just any numskull can find a sponge that good what's more. It is a risky operation. They exposes the mail to the risk of shark attacks. He's not just strong capable and smart ladies. He's braved too. That's pretty adorable, and you're right. It's pretty human like as well when you think about it, but you know, there's more than one way for animals to show their physical fitness. You can, you know, like you were talking to present a big piece of food or some handsome sponges. As one option, but plenty of other animals preferred to show off their fancy footwork instead. Now, birds are, of course, especially famous for their dance moves, and we probably all remember that section on birds of paradise from the planet earth series where they use these elaborate displays of plumage and sure intricate dance steps to attract a may. One performer who often gets lost in the shuffle is the humble fiddler crab. So when it's time to mate male, fiddler's gathering large groups and they just frantically waved their one oversize clause, this courtship display. And because that claw is so massive, this can be really exhausting exercise for these little guys and particularly those who aren't in the best shape because studies have shown that the more vigorously crab waves his claw, the higher his fitness love. So from a female's perspective, the more enthusiastic waivers are the crabs worth paying attention to doesn't that sound? Thank like just sitting there waving their handing, pick me. It feels rough. You know, what exactly is the criteria like is it. Just whoever waves the fastest sort of so research on this show that the female fiddler crabs are sensitive to tempo changes in the males performance, but they don't necessarily go for the faster waiver. Instead, researchers have found that the females prefer the crabs that ramp up there waving over time to those who slow down or maintain a steady speed. So even if one crab is waving faster than the others, if that speed remains constant, the female will likely lose interest in favor of the guy who is gradually picking up speed. And this is because as one researcher put, it feels not only take into account the current level of courtship signal production, but also any changes in rate which might provide information about a male's quality. So for example, a decreasing rate might indicate that the male despite appearing to be vigorous and effective as a signaller has exhausted his energy reserves. So even though keeping a steady speed likely indicates that a crab is in good shape, female fiddler's only. You want the best, you know, we always female fillers only want the best. Want the best. In this case, that means a crab with stamina. So the one that can waive the longest actually get faster as time goes on. So as much as like hearing about crafts, it did sound like you wanted to talk about birds. Two birds definitely have some of the most complicated and maybe artful courtship rituals in the animal kingdom. And I don't think we can do their dance Justice on a podcast. The Bauer bird practices, a completely different artform and it's one that we definitely need to talk about. But before we do, let's take one more quick break. Support for part time. Genius comes from Gramley the communication tool that helps improve your writing for every occasion. I've actually been using Gramley recently and I have to say it's the best grammar to I've ever used. 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Now, unlike show your birds male, Bauer, birds don't typically have dramatic plumes or bright colored feathers to help catch the eye of a mate. So instead they gather up twigs and then they methodically an artfully construct. These elaborate structures called Bowers, which of course is where the birds get their nature. And the thing to remember here is that these powers are not nest instead they're intended solely as a place for the males to just show off. Yeah. So I've read up about our birds in the past, and I remember that these structures are kinda like art galleries, like one part of the Bauer serves as a stage for the male to start a stuff on the rest of the space is dedicated this carefully curated display of hundreds or sometimes I wanna say even thousands of objects and it's wild how sprawling these displays can be. But I did read that the average male lives for about thirty years. So they actually start collecting objects for their Bowers at around age five. So the collectors with the biggest displays have probably been at this for a while now. But the cool thing is that there's a lot of variance across species when it comes to the design of these Bowers and the objects displayed within them. So for instance, the males of some species build these cave like Bowers, like they're kind of these rounded dens with an overhanging roof and the front is wide open though. And then there's just a big space. They're called a court where the males display their treasures, but then they're the species. That take of slightly different approach like their Bowers are a little simpler to construct. They're just two rows of vertical sticks leaned together to form this little bird tunnel ours. Sometimes the tunnel actually made of twigs and in this arrangement, the female enters through one end of the tunnel, and then proceeds down a half meter stretch called the avenue toward the court of objects on the other side. I love the idea of bird avenues. Great. I do love how complicated. There's so much -nology different cards architecture, and you know it does feel like these guys are just compensating for the lack of fancy plumage either way though, you know, I can't tell whether these verbs are orders or artists. I like to think that there are birds definitely have an eye for aesthetics. In fact, the birds actually keep all their objects arranged by color. And this is just so strange, but there might be rows of red things like berries and rocks or even bits of plastic, like whatever they find or maybe find a bird with more subdued taste. So he decorates his corden more of a gray motif using bones and shells and stones. But that's not even all because male Bauer birds also incorporate visual illusions into their Bowers, like these birds there, magicians mango. So I do like what? What type of visual tricks talking about? Illusions tricks, Donen salt, the Bauer birds. It's really impressive what they do, but what's really going on here is that the males are using. Forced perspective to make themselves appear bigger and therefore more appealing to these potential mates. So here's how it works. When a male arranges his court, he doesn't pay attention just to the color of the objects, but also to their size as well. He places them. So the larger objects are farther away from the females. I and the smaller ones closer to her. And the effect of this is that all the objects in the court appear to be the same size from the female's perspective. You know, when she's standing at the opposite end of the avenue, for instance, that's interesting because it's pretty much the opposite of how he usually see force perspective us like thing about the castle Disneyland. It looks way taller than it actually is because the windows near the top or smaller than the ones close the bottom, and that makes the top window seem for their way. Yeah, that's exactly right. I guess I could say some time just said it's like Disneyland. But the opposite and the court appears smaller and the male Bauer bird usually stands to the side of it. And that way he can Papas head in and out of the females viewed of. Take advantage of that force perspective and make himself seem much larger than he actually is any might also hold one of the brighter objects and his beak and sort of wave it at her while he does all this because you know, it's the small touches that mean the most such panache, but you know what I'm curious about, like does this work do the females really gopher all this smoking mirrors? I mean, not always if he Mel will just as easily fly away. If she thinks the males display lacks that polish or maybe she's just more into berries than snail shells or whatever it is. But if she does like what she sees, then she'll stick around for a few minutes and that's a sign of the mail that she's opened a meeting with them. And you know what's interesting is how much the strength of the visual illusion actually factors into the females the season because studies have shown that the birds that employed the most effective use of force perspective were the ones most likely to be made it with now as for why that is something that apart from making the mail, look bigger and stronger. The allusion is also a show of the males intelligence and by extension, his ability to source food for his made and for offspring. And on some level, the females could be aware of that. And so they connect great art with being a great provider. I mean, it's weird think that Bauer roads might force perspective like millions of years before human start using it right. I mean, so bird art may have an even longer history than human art. That is crazy. So you know, I do feel like we talk about our birds as these great architects in the animal kingdom. But you don't often hear about pufferfish where basically the Bauer birds at the seat and that's because they spend a full week or longer crafting these ornate circular patterns on the seafloor. And of course they do this in hopes of attracting a mate, but once they're circles, finished female, Puffer will stop by check it out and their fans, the males work, then she'll lay her eggs in the Senate for him to fertilize. And so what exactly are the females looking for in these underwater crop circles or whatever they. Are. So to be honest, no one really knows like the males carve out the ridges and valleys of the pattern by carefully flapping their fins as they swim in circles along seafloor and the Finnish formations are typically about seven feet diameter. So it's a lot of work for these tiny fish, the Fisher only like five inches long, and it's possible to females are attracted by the show of effort. But it could also be that they simply like this that IX the lines structures or maybe they're attracted the coloring in the sediment. You know, there's no way of really telling yet, but it's kind of a proof because you know, the patterns themselves were just as mysterious right up until a few years ago. So back in nineteen ninety-five off the coast of Japan for started reporting these bizarre geometric formations. They were finding, but no one knew who was making them until the research finally saw pufferfish in the act. And this was only in two thousand thirteen. A male of the world is still full of these surprises. Kind of like this after such a long time spent exploring it. And I've gotta say, looked up these pufferfish formations while you. We're talking about this and it really is amazing what I'm seeing here. I mean, these things are so precise and beautiful, like they're like underwater Sanmen Dallas, almost. Yeah, listeners should definitely looking off. It's it's definitely worth it. All right. Well, I have to. I was a little sceptical about doing a show on animal mating habits just because it could so easily turn appropriate or maybe juvenile even wind up as like this big joke, but it's actually pretty fascinating thinking about all these animals and seeing how they've each learn to do what they do, and they ought to be a lot more variance in the animal courtships than I thought it I, yes, I was reading this interview in the Smithsonian with this great cast curator at the national zoo. And his name is Craig Sappho, and hit a straight line, and it kind of perfectly caps list what you're talking about. So this is what he said, quote, I think mating behaviors of animals in general. Humans included are really odd and really cool when you get down to it while it is very funny. It's also just a really interesting topic to talk about and one. That people often shy away from because it's taboo, but it's pretty vital. It's the very crux of existence on the spirit of that thought, what do you say? We keep things going in the fact often rattle off a few more of our favorite animal courtships. So here's a funny one according to pop side, female cappuccino monkeys show that their raid made by pouting their faces making loud winding sound. I mean, this is what pop size says, or touching males and running away. But what happens when a male is to death to catch on, that's when female catchy monkey start throwing stones at their time off and they're just trying to throw close them to get their attention for the males do get pelted pretty often. That's kind of like the third grade boy approach. Well, kidding. What you're sometimes known as spiny, ant eaters. They're monitoring so like platypus there. These strange mash up critters that for some reason, also lay eggs. And anyway, we don't know much about the kitten mating process, but we know that the male has a four headed penis and kipnis produce an egg that gets held and carried around in a pouch. But the interesting thing about them is their courtship behavior for some reason and scientists don't know why this is exactly males will line up a single file line behind a female and then just Waddell around behind her and the train can be up to ten kid in a long with the kid in the back and sometimes the kidney switch lines. But mostly they just play follow the leader until the strongest males are still walking the others have given up and then the female chooses mate funny. So you know male mice who want impress their mates, sing these TRE sonic love songs, but friendly what toon they sing matters. So the lady mice soup. For picky and they don't want songs that are similar to the ones that are sung by relatives. So it turns filming goes, are partial to make up. Apparently the birds secrete pigments from glands near their tail and during mating season, they'll dab that color onto their cheekbones and then spread it all over their neck and feathers of the more they do this, the pinker they become and the birds that are the most colorful tend to have the best luck with finding a mate. So here's what I love. You know, pandas are obviously not very good mating and they have super-low libidos. I think we've all heard about panda porn or these panda adult films that scientists use when they hear and watch other pandas meeting, they get excited, but that alone doesn't up their reproduction rate. So researchers at Chengdu panda breeding and research center have actually taught them g's some special excesses to strengthen the male's hind legs, and this increases their stamina and this combination has really worked. So according to the Smithsonian article more than sixty percent of the pandas are now capable of having sex on their own, which is up from just twenty five percent. Twenty years ago. Yeah, there were so many facts that us from for this and I know we'll have to leave some behind. You know, found plenty of great facts about birds literally walking on water to impress their made or how male spiders will tap vibrations on webs to signal the females. I think we've talked about that a little bit before, but I think this is the fact I want to end on scientists recently discovered evidence that dinosaurs used to shake their rumps to attract mates according to a study and scientific reports. But researchers in western Colorado found fifty fossilized scrape marks left in one hundred million year old sandstone. They found patterns that are similar to both puffins an ostrich mating dances. 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Helping small businesses build and scale with Erin Shea

The Agile Entrepreneur Podcast

23:16 min | 1 year ago

Helping small businesses build and scale with Erin Shea

"Thursday welcome to one more episode of the agile entrepreneur video cast and podcast on this is your host Ramesh danta today. I'm especially excited to talk to Aaron shape. Who is the North America marketing director for Vistaprint for I think almost all of you know about Vistaprint Vistaprint off the leading online provider of marketing products and services to small businesses and in full disclosure. I am a customer of Vistaprint every time I do my business cards routinely I go there and then so without thinking so they give me so much flexibility. So that's what I do, and then that's where I start as a customer and then I go into some other areas as well Aaron welcome. Thank you. Thank you for having me dead. I know I introduced Vistaprint but in your own words what is best different to do and then especially what you do for this to make sure this supreme is a company that's been around for over twenty years now and we are so proud to say that we've helped over 17 million small businesses really lives there a small business dreams. We started out as a start off small business of our own and then have kind of grown to an international company but small businesses have always and will always be our full passion and it's why we kind of thoughts come into work day in and day out we did start with sort of business cards as our core product and then as small businesses have evolved in the customers needs have evolved. We have expanded our assortment into a number of different printed marketing materials. So everything from so your flyers and your brochures your signage and then of course into digital so web app It's search engine marketing and then of course Design Services. Oh, excellent. So how long have you been with Vistaprint? I have been with them for a wonderful ten years and I find that. You know, I'm so passionate about partnering with small businesses day in and day out. So in the ten years, I mean I can't imagine but you must have talked to so many small businesses. So if I could start off with one question in the small business marketing what are the things as small business like a successful small businesses do versus small businesses that don't do too well. So what different sure so I am a big proponent of really focusing in on where the value is for your small business. And so I think we see this we find this tendency to juggle them. The balls in the air and to do a ton of different things and what I think is really the difference between success and and sort of feeling daunting daunted around your small business is really kind off using those top two or three things that you think are most valuable for your business and that can be anything. I think that could be from expanding your assortment. It could be from you know it, you know reaching a larger Network. I think you really have to Define what those things are and then do fewer and do them better and I find that really drives successful. Oh, okay. So fantastic actually, I like that I myself. I'm a small business owner while getting started. Was the biggest struggle that I had because I felt that I had to do so many awful things and then not doing anything well, so you have seen that the successful business owners, they focus on few things and then they do them. Well, yes, absolutely. And I find that if you start with wage What you are most passionate about the answer of what will drive the value becomes so much easier to Define. So I think a lot of times with small businesses and I see this every day you have started your small business for a reason and you really want to make sure that your customers and the people that you're getting in front of understand what that reason is so long and let me just take me a little bit into the small business how they get started, right? So I did mine as a side hustle. I was working full-time for a company in your experience. Have you seen people start this small businesses just as a full-time business or more and more people are doing this, you know, hobby is a side business. Can you talk a little bit about how this is working? Absolutely. So Vistaprint at Vistaprint, we did a recent study of two thousand full-time employed people and we found dead. You know just over about 25% of people currently have a side hustle business or and then those that don't over more than half of them feel like the future they want to do that. And so the side Hustler or the part-time business is really something of course, it's been around for a while, but we are seeing this trend emerged from more and more overtime and the interesting thing that I think is that we are really seeing it be very prevalent in sort of these younger generations. And so you're in Georgia and your Millennials, they are very excited to kind of start with these side hustles. That is actually it's a astounding number you're talking about 25% started as side hustle and 55% or so want to do it. So I'm looking at seven out of ten or eight out of ten people really want to do get into this space. Yes, absolutely. Anything else And that was for a number of different reasons. So, you know one reason of course is from a monetary perspective. And so one of the things we found is that the average side hustle does make about fifteen thousand a year. And so that's additive in come to your full-time employment. And so that's really one of the drivers that we're seeing. I think additional ones are back to that package and that a hobby that people have and so they want to start to think about how could I turn this hobby into a you know a business for myself. They want to make a part of more of their day-to-day life and bring that to others as well. So are announced so it's I'm really fascinated now, but looking at the numbers so but of the 25% who started this as a side hustle do they tend to be keep this as a side business or at some point they become comfortable with the business that they will completely switch over. Yeah. I think you're hitting on Thursday. Most you know interesting things there which is a side hustle is a really, you know, a bit of a lower-risk way to start into this small business Arena. And so what that allows people to do is to kind of put one foot in and say can I make this into something bigger? And so we do find that you know it there's a huge array some people want to keep their businesses the side Hustle but there is a huge portion of people who want to grow this overtime and so starting out as a side hustle allows them to figure out how they want to grow their company in the future. So actually I had a chance to look at your study and another number that caught my attention is that some sizable number of people who start this side hustle are making more than what people make as a minimum wage at a minimum salary of the household income. So I think Thursday Don't remember exactly but the 25,000 or whatever. That's a pretty decent number. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think that we in the Vista Print study we were you know, really surprised and happy to see that as well. I think again, it just speaks to the importance of side hustles and starting this journey. Okay. So every in your job then do you say you try to Market to the small businesses? Are you the distinction? How do I Market to people who have the business small business, you know completely versus people who have this business as a side like a do you have different marketing strategies that you implement to reach the solid solopreneurs or a mompreneurs and that kind of course versus people who have the business as a full-time business sure. It's a great question. I think what we find is that there are many types of businesses. So as you mentioned side Hustlers full-time mom Pandora off Etc but there's a Common Thread there that they all have and even if it's a small portion of their day as a side hustle. Maybe we suggest that you really try to treat that as a full-time business and what I mean by that is again it goes back to what are those things that are going to drive the most value and so in this department, we're certainly partnering with all sorts of businesses at all times, but we find that that core need and the core partnership that we're able to provide is very consistent to that passion across all businesses off. So one of the things I always admired about Vistaprint is their marketing right? So I mean because the reason I'm there are lots of other options of your business cards or whatever, but I can't tell you exactly but whether I'm surfing or whatever I come across best friend for my small business needs. So how I mean, what are the channels that you use to reach the dog? Sure, we want to be where our customers are. So we want to make it easy for small businesses to reach out to Vista Print and to shop Vista Print. And so, we use an array of different channels from both offline and online. You know, when you search we want to be available for you. We want that findability peace there. I certainly on more of just like TV and radio and also social so we do believe that, you know, people these days they're on their phones and they are constantly, you know looking for inspiration and so Vistaprint definitely wants to be available to our customers in that Arena. And the other thing I would say is you know, that is also advise we would give small businesses as well. So you definitely want to be where your customers are. I think social is a rebirth Great place where again, there are so many eyeballs on it and there's just a huge opportunity for small businesses there. It's also tends to be a bit more of a cheaper channel. So depending what your marketing budget is, I think social is a great Avenue. That's great Aaron. So another segment where I'm always fascinated by people's, you know, their life their careers how if you don't mind if you could talk a little bit about you. I'm in a minute times for many people aren't comfortable. I hope you are a little bit. So what has been your career progression like I have you all switched around in different roles. If you would give it about Aaron Shea, how did she come to where she is right now? Sure. Absolutely. So I have always been in March. I started out kind of doing a bit more on an internal marketing perspective for businesses and kind of really involved into more of what we do to age. A which is working with small businesses. I grew up with a mother who was a small business owner and a really strong female entrepreneur. And so I'm really passionate about you know, making sure that that feeds into my day-to-day and so when I'm thinking about marketing for Vistaprint, I'm thinking about what the customer needs what small business needs are out there off and how can we sort of help and partner with small businesses? Have you always been in this nation this area of marketing the small businesses have your choice on Industries and switch around functions since you graduated from college? Yeah, so I have switched around a little bit. I used to kind of be in more of a sports wager in the more of the supports Arena, but for a long time, I've been in the small business in the small business Arena, that's really where I'm passionate again. I think that it's so close to home for Thursday. Just having been you know, helping seen, you know, my mother as she started her business and how important it was to really create a forum or create marketing collateral where her business Vision could come to light. If you don't mind me asking what kind of a business did she have sure she was off. Designer. So she worked on a commercial spaces and also personal Home Spaces. And again, if you think about that that type of that type of work she had such a passion for the spaces and for her clients and she also had a vision for her small business. And so she spent a lot of time kind of hemming and hawing about what was the right name for her business. What was the right logo and I do think about you know back in the day when she first started the serpent was not around and I think about how long Um how much time and effort she had to spend trying to translate that into her brand identity and I think about you know, how to mister print been around life partnership could have been such an so so helpful for her from a Time Saver and also from you know from a valid value perspective. I think that that's another thing. M brings brings to the table while you're lucky you you had a fun experience without starting a business but experience of you know, somebody in a household who starting a business so you could go through the incident and then you had a bird's-eye view of the problems and opportunities. That is that's very good. Yeah, and it's wonderful to because I have just such a distinct memory I can recall, you know, the first time that she got her business cards and it was such a moment for us again, like I think she had she had really spent the time and effort to figure out what that should log. Like and how she wanted to present herself to her perspective clients. And so when we got that it was a celebratory thing. We all felt like she was on the cusp of something really exciting. Wow. I'm in like a you could really entrepreneurs and I could see the enthusiasm the passion that the excitement that you saw so I mean you really know one entrepreneur is feeling and thinking when you were a kid Market influence, yes, because not only did I grow up with it, but here Vistaprint we're constantly talking to our customers. We want to know what the new trends are. We want to know what they need and we want to kind of solve that need for them. And so it's part of our day-to-day here, right? So and so this is the last segment I would like to talk a little bit about in a entrepreneurs themselves. What kind of advice would you give based on your experience of dealing with so many entrepreneurs right? So let's take two different classes of entrepreneurs one is somebody in your study also said about 30% off. Where to start right if I'm a person always wants to earn some money or do something and I don't know where to start. Is there any advice that you could give absolutely I think you know, the the the the passion there is so important and so I think you need to think about what are you trying to accomplish? Is it off? You know, what is your business? And what do you want to stand for? And once you figure it out that I would say really invest in in trying to figure out how do you communicate that to your perspective clients? And so spending time at the very beginning and saying what what what is my vision? How do I how do I want to bring this to life is so important issue. I think you can do that at the very beginning with little to no money. I think you just have to sit there and think what do I want this to become and then from there I would say you really want to invest in your brand identity and so long The look and feel your logo. It's so important to have something that really speaks to your business. And so you can kind of leave that into your marketing collateral. So examples of that could be if you are a new bakery starting, you know, you want to make sure where that your marketing if I'm looking at a brochure that you have at your business. I'm looking at that wage. I want to try that cupcake. I want to try that donut so it should really speak for you. And again, that's half the battle. I think the second part of that of course is that I think we would we would be remiss if we don't mention financials. Yeah. So really I think you need to step back and say what is your comfort level in terms of investment back here? And so again this kind of leads back to the side hustle story where we can say, you know, if it's a small investment that you're willing to start with that first start with the side Hustle. There's no nothing wrong with that. I think that's that's really exciting. You can kind of get your feet wet. You can see what you know, what customers you're willing to drive and and what that looks like Thursday then grow it over time. Excellent. So now the second class of entrepreneurs so I'm somebody who started and I believe that the first year is probably the most critical crucial year off and the first initial customers are they're the most important customers. So what are the things me as an entrepreneur now, I have an idea. I know what I want to do. So I've invested something. I've got it off the ground. What are the things that I should be focusing on during the prospect use your network? There's so much power and who you know and other small businesses around you and so I would say in focus on you know, who those people are and really trying to turn them into an Engaged customer base for you. And again, I would say after that job Really focus on keeping them coming back for more and so to your point you mentioned that those first customers are so important. I completely agree. How do you get them to keep coming back to your business? I think is really important. Yeah. It's a referrals and those kinds of things testimonials keep building and keep thinking about them from right off the bat. Exactly. And then the third phase is where now off you you got your feet on the ground. I mean many people say it's difficult to get the strut that within three years number of businesses fail or whatever. I took off my first three years and you have good to go. So beyond the customer Pipeline and the financials you already talked about other any things that as a business owner, you should think about for the long-term growth I think as a you know, in general your business should be an umbrella. And so hopefully again it goes back to that original conversation around really establishing brand identity. And so when we find out when you start out you might start out with one particular product or one product line, but you're brand you're you're a small business should be an umbrella in the sense that once you know your customer really well, how do you sort of expand what you're offering is and so that could be another product line. It could be a new location or spag. I think there's a lot of opportunity. If you kind of think through the longer-term vision of what that could be from the very beginning. So basically what you're saying is hey don't be complacent just because something is not working thinking that it will continue to work, you know, maybe maybe not but start thinking about diversifying the divorce when the clientele diversifying your products and those are the areas that you talked about. Absolutely, we find that small business owners are so passionate keep that going it just because you're three years in that is the lifeblood like that is what should drive your day-to-day and again at once you do that I think things start to fall into place you can diversify your portfolio your customer base Etc, excellent. So and I believe that we covered so much ground already talked about different class of entrepreneurs your advice to them and then what they should be thinking about so other any areas that we have not covered you but you think that's important for anybody who's thinking of business. I think again, I would just say think through what is most important to your business page and we touched a little bit about this but I but it this changes it involves and like we mentioned just before, you know, your business is going to change the market is going to change the song. Needs of your customers is going to change and so really well a equip yourself to be able to be flexible and modify as needed. Yeah, actually, I I one hundred percent agree with you and I call that an agile way of doing a business because you know, you start with something and then I spoke to you know hundreds of entrepreneurs as part of the podcast and almost 95% of them said where they are now is not where they started absolutely and where they are now is not where they're going to be in the future and I think that's a really important thing to keep in mind so that knowing that so don't try to be perfect in what you're trying to do now just get something out there do something learn from the experience and then when you're doing what's working and then what's not working then note focuses, but keep evolving keep iterating and then they'll just don't stand on your feet thinking that it's going to be like this forever. Absolutely. Absolutely. Thank you very much. For your time as I was I'm very excited again, right? So to talk to you and talk to Vistaprint as a company. So thank you very much. Thank you so much for having me off.

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Annie, Jack o' Lantern

Everything is Alive

24:10 min | 3 years ago

Annie, Jack o' Lantern

"Support for everything is alive comes from vistaprint. Vistaprint makes custom business cards with the colors, fonts designs and images. You choose no longer. Do you have to rate your name and phone number in sharpie on the arm of the person, you just met at a conference with vistaprint? You can create a truly professional unique card in minutes. Also, this Surprenant uses only carefully selected inks and responsibly sourced paper stocks this apprent wants you to do something great for your business right now. Which is why our listeners will get five hundred high quality custom business cards starting at nine ninety nine use code alive at vistaprint dot com that's code alive at vistaprint dot com alive at vistaprint dot com. Everything's alive is supported by progressive where you can bundle save and protect it. All combining home and auto insurance with progressive is easy. And it could save you an average of eight hundred eight dollars a year. It's peace of mind. Great protection and extra savings all under one roof feel right at home with a progressive home and auto bundle. Starting online quote today at progressive dot com. And advisory. This episode contains descriptions of pumpkin carving that sensitive listeners may find gruesome my name is Anne, and I'm Jack Lanner. I came originally from a pumpkin patch. And now, I'm on a stoop. Well, this feels like a strange place a star. But it's just kind of ask you about your face. Yeah. Kind of rugged right? Well, could you for, you know, for our listeners that can't see you could you just describe your expression for us? Sure. So is our cockeyed they're triangle triangle-shaped while they're trying to be triangles. I guess one looks more like a square has four sides. My nose is an upside down triangle. And the expression on my mouth is a when I can describe as a moon turned upside down now like a fingernail turned upside down. Okay. And I've got a little snag all tooth. So I guess the expression is. Angry baby. Okay. Yeah. And do you feel like that? Does that represent you? Do you feel like an angry baby? Not at all. I I feel like I'm a pretty happy, pumpkin. And that face doesn't necessarily. Describe that. So there's this disconnect with what I look like in kind of what I'm feeling on the inside. And it's a bummer because. I'm happy. But the face kinda says, well, don't don't talk to that one. Yes. Keep your distance. We'll so so if you could choose if you had been able to choose what face was was carved. Instead, what would you have chosen? I would've loved to have some eyebrows. I don't have any right now. And if I had to choose my own eyebrows, I would like them to kind of have this furrowed concerned v you'd wanna look concerned. Yeah. Because that's how I feel. I want to ask you about being carved the experience of being car. Yeah. I guess first of all was that something you look forward to. I look forward to it in the sense that I knew it was going to happen that it was my fate. So it was one of those like, you know, I I know the stays coming. So I look forward to it in that sense. But I knew it was going to hurt like hell, and you know, what it did. It was excruciating. The pain was unbearable. Well, I don't want to bring you back to the trauma, but you're going to well if you don't want to you don't have to. But I would if you wouldn't mind just sort of like telling us the story of being carved. So you know, I was taken out of the patch. That that's horrific in of itself. I'm ripped from my family. Put on a truck with other pumpkins that I don't know. It's a very quiet experience. We all know what's going to happen to us. We're gonna be sold at a grocery store. You know, sitting at that grocery store with these other pumpkins watching people come by choosing you picking you testing, your firmness turning you away. Because maybe you have a bumper or to, you know. And then once, you know, you get into the house, it seems okay? You're starting to get to know your family a little bit more. And then now comes the knife. It's such a it. Feels like such a betrayal in a way. For you, the Carver, it's a joyful occasion. Right. There's a lot of memories tied to carving, a, pumpkin. And it's a family affair for me. It's it's like going under the knife in a hospital where there there's really no doctors is just some amateurs kind of work in your face. Starts with a sketch. That's usually with a sharpie. And you know, it's typically the drawing the sharpie here they're drawing face. It's feels nice. It's typically. But once the slicing comes in it's not quick and easy. In my experience. I actually had a mess up as they call it. So the back side of me is the first trial of sketch. And I guess it didn't go as well as they wanted it to. So you have another face on your other side. Yeah. So right now, I have a messed up face. I'ma backside and your face is on your front side. Right. But that's was originally is originally my backside. It's not my best side. I've got a lot of lumps on my backside Brown spots to age spots, and they tried again where did they start? What was the first? The first thing they carved a my right eye that wants the square. So I think they were getting used to holding the knife. And you know, they they let their six year old kid take a world at it. You know, which is like what are you gonna give a six year old knife? That would be like me giving a seed a knife right here practice this knife skill on this, pumpkin. What does it matter if you mess it up? We'll just get another one. That's my face. You you. You are such a symbol like a, pumpkin. You mmediately put a picture of a pumpkin on a thing. And you understand it's communicating like fall and Halloween. You know? Yeah. The season. Yeah. That's true. I like I like that. I do represent that. Then would you look at me? You know, exactly where you kind of are in the world. What time it is in the world. Right. But that's only specific to this part of the world's it's different throughout the rest of the world. Like, for instance, in the crane we represent heartbreak pumpkins represent heartbreak. And that's right. It used to be that when somebody asked somebody to marry them and stead of saying, no, you just handed them, a pumpkin you're saying that that person would pull out a pumpkin and hand it to the person. And they would know what it meant. Yeah. What an awful thing to be right. Yeah. Yeah. You are. No, I'm no, I'm rejection. You're I don't love you. Yeah. Or maybe marr- marriage is not right for me. I'm not in a good place right now. Yeah. It got to the point where people would only propose at night to avoid being seen walking home. Carrying a pumpkin was the original walk of shame. That's a good way of putting it. Hi, I'm calling for Taras. Yes. How can hope you? Well, I I got your name from the Ukrainian cultural center, they said, you might be able to talk to me about the pumpkins and proposals in Ukraine, you know, about this. Books, and there are some movies that you can see actually how it's done. Oh, really, obviously comedies. But yeah, we'll tell tell me about one of them. Let me see I can put tried to find it on YouTube for you. It's it's a mouthful to tell you probably gonna be struggling both for me to translate from. You to understand what it means? But let me see if I can find it quickly. Okay. All right. It's V as in Victor Edward season. Charlie H is in Henry is an Edward ours in Richard eight as an apple that's one word. Okay. The second word is just an A. So the chair. Nah, or yes. And then the third word is age. Isn't Henry you as an umbrella two years, and Tom what was an Oscar ours. And Richard E as an Edward, okay. So four or it is I'll tell you when it's stops fourth. Ward is B as in boy L as in Larry Isan, icicles Z as in zebra. Okay. And the last word is deason dog is an ice co K as in kite as an apple and is a Nancy K as in kite is an icicle. So if you buy a computer, and you can. Try and see. Okay. Oh, yeah. It came right up. I got it. Who can? His of the scene a the scene. I'm seeing here seems to be a man in a cave using telekinesis to dip his Perot Giesen sour cream, though. That's about the middle. You got to watch the whole movie by the middle of the movie you have there's a guy coming in. You know, rich guy coming in to, you know, get married to grow propose to grow. And then when they're done she hands him, a, pumpkin. And do you do, you know, anybody that this ever happened to from from way back in I personally? No, I'm too young for that. That's gotta be my maybe like, my grandparents. Yes. But I personally not me. Yeah. Once in a while, I think there's still we used in colloquial language. You know what I'm saying? 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Sensitive listeners wanted note that we're not done with the gory stuff yet. This does any of the stuff ever bother you. Yes. Of course. So any I guess even before you know, they start with the face. They you know, they cut off they have to cut off cut open your top. Yeah. You get the you get the the head. Sliced into and they they take off that top. And that's kind of my umbilical cord, you know, that's that's where I was connected to the ground the earth, and then they start digging in the inside with a spoon and those are my seeds. I lady pumpkins that's a whole experience in of itself is losing those seats, you know. You know? You know, you see baby pumpkins in the patch. Other other pumpkins who have kids, and you know, we're given so many of these seeds. It's like is the expectation to have all these pumpkins two hundred babies, right? Watching him. Get. Placed on a tray and salted put into the oven. First knack. Horrify this horrifying. I would've loved the chance to try before. I got plucked. But so be it. I was meant for Halloween. Yeah. Yeah. Not motherhood. So I think when when we're picking out a pumpkin, I think some people like, you know, a kind of taller skinnier, pumpkin. Some people want, you know, shorter more squat pumpkin kind of kind of Burt versus Ernie get can you describe what you are. Yeah. I'm I'm more of the shorter. Fat pumpkins. I've got a lot of space horizontally, and you know, I think that can make that could've made for like a cool like surfboard scene or like, a, you know, a big beach, maybe, but no I'm just a big fat face. That's okay. And you know, I don't in the pumpkin community. There is no, you know. Hierarchy of of of body types. Right. So there's no desired body type like those tall skinny ones. I've I think you humans like the tall skinny ones, you know, for us. It's just you grew different way. Yeah. Yeah. So there comes a point. I guess once all that's behind you the faces carved in win you're put put back outside. Can you tell us what that was like when that happened? Yeah. That's that's kind of a nice moment. Because you know, this is your time to shine. Right. You're going to be out there. You have a job to do. And it's to bring joy to all these trick or treaters right year, representing the spirit of Halloween, and then the rot starts to happen. Day, one of carving the rut starts to happen. And it's slow, and you don't notice it at first, but couple days later, you start to see, you know, dark spots inside of you. And that's when I know my time is coming. You know, I have a clock that is ticking. The moment I'm taking from the patch. But the moment that I'm carved the days become even more numbered. Yeah. Well, any so you you became Jack lantern? Do you? Do you think about the other things that might have happened to you when you left the pumpkin patch? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And you you definitely hear things you know, in the patch. They can make you into a pie. Right, right. Maybe they shoot you out of a cannon. Maybe they shred you up and throw you into a cake. And maybe they feed you to the lions I'm sorry. Maybe they feed you to the. Lions. Do you mean that metaphorically? No, you know, big cats apparently lions and Tigers love pumpkins. So, you know, all the pumpkins that don't get picked out get sent to zoos and stuff in the lions just terrorists apart. I don't even know if they eat us. They just attack us with their big teeth in pause. So any pumpkin that doesn't get picked up from the grocery store is potentially headed to be torn apart by a lion in Izzo. That's right. Yeah. That seems to me like the worst fate. It's bad. It's really bad. But again. In my case. I was carted off on a truck and to a house where family led us six year olds take steel blade to my face. And they placed a flame inside my hollow body. That burns day and night. The lion that seems quicker at. Yeah. Yeah. It really does seem like. Hellene is scariest for you? And not for us. Not for humans. The really the the most terrifying fates are headed your way and not not hours. Yeah. It does seem that way doesn't it? I suppose you wanted a holiday where you felt scared, but you projected that onto an innocent, pumpkin. Because you truly didn't wanna be scared. Right. True. Not not real fright. Like, a good spook is okay. Like blue. You scared me, but true horror. Death and dying and decay. You you don't you don't wanna get into that? Right. I guess not. Yeah. Like, I think if you told me ahead of time that what was going to happen for me on Halloween was that someone was going to carve a face into me. And then leave me leave me out on a porch with a burning flame inside of me. Yeah. Happy Halloween, right? It would be a holiday. I would want to avoid. Yeah. This point. I just wish. Yeah. I wish you could have our experience, which is pretty much just putting on costumes and getting candy, which when it comes down to it. It's not scary. Yeah. I would I would love to be able to put on costumes in in get candy. But this is the life of a Jack lantern. I'm not supposed to eat candy. I'm not supposed to put on costumes. I'm supposed to bring joy by way of fright. For a night. Would you like to trick or treat? How love that? I mean. What would you want your costume to be? What would you dress up as anything in the world? What would you want it to be Batman? Okay. Dark night out love to put on some bad years in Cape. Well, maybe we can do is just anybody listening to this can kind of imagine sitting at home. It's tallow lean night. Doorbell. Rings, you go to your door. You open the door. You look down. And you see any the pumpkin in Batman cost to costume and say say, whatever you want. Hi, please. Don't shut the door on me. I know this probably looks crazy. 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Charu, Satellite

Everything is Alive

25:05 min | 2 years ago

Charu, Satellite

"Support for everything's alive comes from Hendrick's gin. No other gen is made with an infusion of rose and cucumber. Stay tuned to the end of this episode for a special feature. We made with Hendrick's gin Hendrix. Jen is forty four percent alcohol by volume imported by William grant and sons Inc. New York, New York, please enjoy the unusual responsibly. I guess I miss the people who made me the people on earth. Because I didn't know anyone else. But. We're all kind of nerds. They put a lot of effort into making me. You know. Everything is exact and precise every bowl to never screw. And I often wonder. Why the nerds could not have given me a sweater? I take it, it's cold up there. It's so cold, dude. I'm cold all the time. How big are you? I'm two tons. So it'd be a big, big sweater like a giant net sweater. I like that image all the satellites space chips, the international space station. All of you up there just wearing big cozy sweaters. Yes. I would like that. Hi, I am a satellite. My name is Charles. So you are orbiting the earth. That's right. How did you get up there? It was a whole, it was a whole thing was a lot of shaking, and then they opened a latch. And then I destroyed out and it was nothing. Just a whole bunch of infinite nothing. I've seen footage of win human beings are launched into space and it seems very stressful. You know, their faces are being contorted. They're having trouble with the g force. Did you experience any of that Elia? I don't have a face. So I don't know what that means. But I, I was clenched up. I can tell you that tell me what your first impression of space was. At its. It's great. I mean it's great but it, but it also sucks. I the stars are great, the occasional comet fantastic. And you're seeing the most wonderful thing anybody on earth could ever experience. But then there's no one there to share it with not even your shadow we it's a win win. Was your last contact with someone or something? I want to say eight or nine years ago, maybe eight eight years since you had contact with any kind of contact. But so that's right. Yeah. That's right. He was telecom satellite. I just came across him. We re passing by gender in orbit. So we had a little window of time where we chat. Usually things are either fly in pass me. Or. There are a little bit below mirror above me, and I can't quite quite reach him but for for a little bit there. We were right and each other's areas. So we could talk and he was funny who's quite funny. He made a lot of puns. Do you remember any of the plans? Sure, it'd be a lot of puns, about space, which are easy. You know. I would say hi to have a new would say gimme some space, you know. And I would be like what an annoying. Little. Little friend. But he was my friend. I he's not around anymore, but I think about him a lot. Where to go? He went where we all go in the end and to the graveyard orbit. The graveyard orbit. That's right. There are a couple of things that happen when you get really old as a satellite, and they decide that you're done. They launched you. They speed you up. They launch you like two hundred miles above irregular orbit into what they call a graveyard orbit. So two hundred miles above you right now are orbiting satellites that no longer do anything. Yes, while they're dead. Yes, I think what it would be what it would be like, if people who had died, or just like constantly floating just above my head. It's weird thing to imagine. Oh, yeah. I mean just the like the material of it is very, very scary to think about. But I guess you're walking around on the ground. The people you love are below you. The ones who are dead and you can't see them either. But they're always there. And that's pretty weird too. I want to hear about what it's like to be up there looking down on earth. What do you look at? Well, I see the continents a lot of the time. They're like, obscured by clouds and other weather stuff. I see a lot of the ocean. You guys have a lot of ocean. But half the time when I'm thinking about. You know, if I were at ever fall out of orbit, I would crash right into the ocean. A no one would ever find me. You think about that a lot? I do. He I, I do think about if I were to suddenly drop out of the sky, you know, because I dropped into the sky in. Kind of a really dramatic. And sudden, I think it just as easily could be. Undone. You know, if you ever look up and, and you do see me falling out of the sky, m. I don't think I don't think it has to end in tragedy. I think I don't know just like catch me. So if I see it two ton satellite hurtling towards the earth just reach out your arms and catch me gently that way neither of us will get hurt. Hello. Is this Merv? Andre. Hi. I'm calling from the United States. Do I have it? Right. We're, you Shire, president of Esperance, Australia in nineteen seventy nine when the Skylab space station crashed. There is invade. I was and I should say Shire president. That's like is that like mayor, right? Silence. Seimas a may. Yeah. Well, this was a giant space station that broke up and crashed in your town. Can you tell me when did you I know this was going to happen? Well, we knew about the three dies before that would talk about dropping it in the southern Aisin goes, they couldn't couldn't afford to drop a diaper America, and they said, they couldn't afford to drop it Russia or China, 'cause it could start a will, and we're looking for some way, or, and a lot of people have thought. Yeah. The Western Australia's any fee kangaroos will dealt in there. But I don't think that was the plan. We, we formed the opinion failure that, that really lost control of it. And on the Dodd prior to it. Laney. Yeah. We got a wig from NASA to say at half past ten that not we go to win from NASA. Decide that come down safely in the seven and the that was alive. So we thought beauty that's the end of that. So my wife and I went to bed bit past team. And at half past midnight, we can with this six, Sony, booms bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, and the, the World Drive, doors rental in the windows rattling. We lifted paid and rushed at Saud's was caught a quite a who. Then the next morning and it was reports that PayPal had big paces in the paddock and not in tank places of insulation. And, and they're still bits in the country. But now they lying random people interested in bringing you mean anymore. They on sorry who, who can ice coups. Who's there with you? She's on the other season. And the other thing, hi there. Hi dorothy. Yeah. She's she's she's still thinks she's my boss. We've been married for sixty five years this it. Hugh writer with timeless. She's still thinks he's in charge to think that. Oh. Don't do they? She just kicked me again. Congratulations on sixty five years. Thank you about something else. He wouldn't hang around that low. I left to because I'm going to hang Rams. They still didn't aches. But let starting to get used to it actually so Dorothy, can I ask you what were your memories of the night Skylab fell? Oh, the boom boom, booms locus up the coming through the Sam Baria, and we've got these terrible. Baying noise limit, what nine hail it was. You know, the world is coming to an end terrifying for wool. Well, guess it has both of you somehow no one was hurt. No animals are anything. What's the closest anyone came well people that went up on the hill. I think for it to come either that I it was like say, breaking up, and it was all glowing coast. What ought it's coming through the atmosphere and some of the employees nice five of the Hades that they that, that would decking like one of the bid smart buddy will take him away. I was that was some people who closed that there was some fine as they had paces laid it in the backyard. Now from the house a strip of one of the oxygen tanks strip Delfin, the heighten it at come flying down luck luck right to blight and cut off a couple of little saplings lane in on the back loan and didn't didn't it didn't go. He's an animal or anything. But you know if one. Of been in the Lewellen would have just kept straight through them. Log enough. It's really a miracle that it didn't hit somebody. It was idea bad that whatsoever on family three. I'm here the people. Hm. Well, it was such a pleasure speaking with both of you, thank you for taking the time. That was. Yeah. Plays an act memory, it does indeed experience sent me was. True. I guess from time to time you see the moon. They're curious what that's about her. Just curious what that's like from your perspective. Well, I mean she. She's lovely she glows as you know. And she's got a couple of scars. But they're the kind of scars just make her more beautiful. You know, whatever it's like whatever. I'm sorry. Do you have a do you have a history with the moon? No. I mean it's not like I. She's just like very nice to look at, you know, and very graceful and beautiful and glowing all the time, sort of like a like a supernatural glow. I do think about sometimes what it would be like to just like, just like brush, brush, my, my medal. Just against I sack. I haven't touched anything in many years. I was sent up into space in space. There is no air and then nothing lands on me and nothing. Ever passes by close enough to touch me. I do think about what if I fell into her orbit her orbit incident, earth's, and I got to just look at our all day. And spin around. Her be nice to see all of her. I think. 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Like I was a car something humiliating, as you can imagine it can never take it off. It's just on mealtimes. Just says. Wake Forest university. Class of ninety four. I mean, I have no connection to that university. It's weird that that's your message to the cosmos. Yeah, that's right. I have a serial number two, eight one four. Three nine. Two three one nine. Five to one seven. Six four three nine four three. Two two. Two. One. Five. Six three six. Seven eight. Three seven. Six six two. Six. Five three. So that's what you're, that's what you're communicating. That's right. Yes. That and Wake Forest university class of nineteen ninety four. I do I do you know, constellations is that something you're familiar with? Yes. I know all of them. Yes. They're much better from up here. I see a lot more detail. I guess, you know, the big one for us is the big Dipper, which is a spoon. It's not really a big Dipper. It's it's it's a mermaid. It's a mermaid and she's holding the big Dipper, which is the spoon. She's eating chili. The mermaid eating chilly. Yes. Chilly of the stars. What about do you know Orion belt? Yes. But I also see the rest of him whole. Yes. I do see the rest of the man he's actually completely nude, except for the belt Ryan. That's right. The hunter Orion. The hunters completely nude and he's only wearing the belt. I'm not sure if you've ever seen someone. Entirely in the nude, but only wearing a belt. But it's, it's fantastic. He's a very good looking man. And I think he has every right. Is every right to it? Ultimately, it's a really weird thing. We do looking at constellations rather than looking up at the stars and contemplating that each one is the center of distant universe. We look up and say that looks like a spoon. I think for me I can understand when I was on the ground I was always searching for meaning to, you know, and I, I know that, that is early. Tempting to like. Look up and think, oh, that's, that's a space, that's bigger than me. And so maybe it holds answers that I can't find down here. But I'm here to tell you that there's nothing up here, really. It's like there's nothing up here, but me. This is everything is alive. The show is produced by Jennifer mills and me in Chile with evil Walsh, over and Isabel. Carney, thanks as always to Emily speed back. This episode was edited by Hillary Frank. Her new parenting book is weird parenting wins. And she is the creator of the longest shortest time. Jaru the satellite was played by Charo Sinha music in this episode from flu dot sessions, everything is alive is a proud member of radio topa from PR X where we orb it faithfully around Jewish appear. Oh, executive producer. You can find us any number of ways at everything is alive dot com. We'll see soon. 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3154: Impulse Control w/ Calvin Cato

Keith and the Girl Comedy Talk Show

56:04 min | 2 years ago

3154: Impulse Control w/ Calvin Cato

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Comedy Hour Oxygen the National Geographic Network in you know you know all the festivals Cinderblock Comedy San Francisco Sketch Fast Kevin Kato. Hello Oh my God so many credits that is unlike me. I was thinking oh stand ups coming again. What in my life could I talk about as if nothing's been going on when you go to Keith mcgurk Dot Com slash dad you see we put together the data e mails and there's there's at least fifteen different comedians that we talked doc to throughout this two part episodic adventure. Cavin was one of them and just looking Calvin at the section that you were on. Here's the description ready it. You'll see a breakdown of everything. We talked about right there. At keeping the girl dot com slash that dad and real keith begin their email exchange that brings. It's up the cats in the cradle song to Keith meanwhile we read about Dad's shows of twenty two years. The gang tries to figure out the math regarding sexual tailings tingling fake cat rates bat well. It sounds like you've been thinking the same thoughts that has to let cat down as he's not ready to commit quote. She has been a very fine wife to me. This is why I guess Alvin attaches the peace of God. I remember that fine wife most backhanded he had a couple of these for comments are very fun on Monday. Show this week. We talked about Shane Gillis being hired by Saturday night live then Tuesday came around and he was fired from Saturday night live took. What a turnaround in the comedy community. Have you heard of Shane as it does. He have a certain reputation the only dislike Asians I would see people that we know and respect we know the personalities are public saying so you know what I we. We start our own club where comedians ourselves. We're involved in this guy. We had to say no to Homophobic Oris racist when you're willing to to put your name out there before he's fired. You know I mean this is a guy that could make it on Saturday night. Live and you'll look stupid club. That's how angry you must be at this guy right. Oh yeah till I mean it. It's funny because I didn't really I know him at all. I was familiar with him like I knew his name but I knew anything about him and I was just like Oh. I just think that's not really my comedy but I didn't listen to more than like maybe a minute or two and so then when like everything spiraled with the whole leg you know obviously all the Asian slurs and him dropping the F word a lot for gay slurs. I was like Oh this is bad and then like a comic actually said that like a Shane had called him like an f f word comics that makes his face and I was like oh well then I guess this is all fucked up was he was he pushing an envelope to this person. Maybe that's everybody's Carlin prior to the C word for Chinese. Your Carlin and Pryor people need to push the envelope unless we really have uh-huh after anxious pushing envelopes. It's just a joke yet. SNL says if you say that then so am I back at you and don't be a snowflake flakes. Don't be mad at what I'm saying talking with Shane Gillis Snell said we have decided that he will not be joining. SNL You couldn't even you come on in. We're going to let you talk walk. Yup Okay. We've decided to take the train till I get done that before. That's it's always very wrong. I got there a thankfully. It was really nice. I got fired one time where I had to. I knew it was coming. I like processed it. I had a they cry with my therapist and there was like okay I'm going to go in and had to go on a Tuesday and it was like going on the train itself and like I felt a weird sense of relief because and I'm going to get fired. I just need to know how many days they expect me to be here right and they were like Oh. We just expect you to be your through Friday. That's cool alright great. That is a weird feeling though you're fired. See You tomorrow yeah exactly. You shouldn't try hard tomorrow and please. Don't put your therapist on speakerphone again off. Put put the lady who fired me to like was really hoping I would cry or like really sort of break down and I was like nope like this was fair. I got it. I process this already so I use the insurance. I got from this job to therapists about this so I'm fine like it's okay. Speaking of performs finger lake says how long until Shane's new netflix special comes out called Ching Chong triggered and three our interview with Joe Rogan so true. You know we gotTA stop. Oh canceling these male comics because if I see one more special from them talking I'm GonNa go crazy. I know if I see another one. That's like just a straight white guy like it's always the same bright interesting. Sorry guys. You're going to be set up. This has been going on since I was a kid. com comes out and goes. I hope you're ready for this. I'm not the Nice character Dr Play on TV. Don't be crying. It's anyone special called. What did I say. I bet it is right. Keep April fifteenth coming up me. Here's an oppressed to dot com. Joe Corporate says what I hear different podcasts over the same news in the case of Shame Gillis. I'm always surprised in the difference of perspective. I feel like if I didn't listen to Keith girl. It would be very easy to fall into the opposite echo chamber mainly 'cause as a listener you're never chasing down an individual story and reading related articles that much. I do proud a big word but I do like on Keith and the girl that you WanNa know about Shane. Here's the audio that's out there. Here's the you know here's what he wrote down. Here's his non apology in his words. Here's what people that ran comedy. Clubs are saying about him. Of course I don't expect you to go out and do the research. No show does but you know what it's like. What can we say nowadays. It's like you didn't even try you just on the toilet tweeting. You try to look up where these facts are coming from would it would it Louis. CK Do that so wrong but okay. I'll tell you I would like to take the time to thank Keith Malley because I do other stuff for behind the scenes of the show and in the show starts and he tells me the news now my really said that there's usually a now now keith keeps it away from me so he's had moments where he's just like. Don't tell her about that because I'll be on the show like he didn't say that that's not real. He's like here's his his twitter. I printed it out. This person continues. Maybe it's silly of me to win a resolution to the difference in opinion all the time I don't know sometimes I just went keith independent to be on these other podcasts and vice versa exchanging points yeah. I don't know what point there is to exchange. I understand the idea. Everybody has a side but to me. My sight is simple. I understand the racist jokes and the Alec Baldwin Roast and everybody was getting along and I found them very funny. I I find a big difference between that and chain Gillis's comments. That's the end of my point. I don't know the the key. Come on my show debate me. First of all are there ever to unsexy. Yes your words in the debate me see I like it because I know that there was a time that we were more closed minded or didn't have the information information that they might be getting in like five ten years that we have grown impatient about and I also know that there are people smarter than me and the words that I'm saying out of my mouth will become. I'm old and terrible like in five ten years so I'm hoping that they have the patient for me how much patients you're supposed to have. I think some people are supposed to get punched in the face ace but maybe we could differentiate a little bit now. See people go and hey you heard Shane being racist on this podcast but did you hear his other podcasts. I'm like well. Did He. Say That coming up in this podcast. I'M GONNA do a secret racist character. Yeah people round up when I go to comedy clubs. I'M GONNA use the F word for gay. Let's see if it gets. It's a morale we'll know the secret real fazal. No it's like so stupid. I don't think they're being racist because they are actually trying to be funny so one goes sense of humor is tasteless and Shitty so that's actually like one thing that I will stand behind. You're just not funny to me but the other thing is they. The think racism is if somebody. Let's say for this guy. If somebody of Asian descent comes up to you you punch him in the face. You Make Fun of them. You oppress them like in the moment they don't understand the oppression start somewhere else and that this is not the it's just it's like saying now. I have a black friend in the eighties. Oh relieved to go out and so I think some people are just behind and I don't want to minimize this fuck. You and you got fucked and maybe that's like. The new culture that we're in is like you can't say anything without a response because you want a response you put it on twitter you putting on podcast to get a response when it's not the response that you like. You're like you're all stupid but when it is the response that you like. Oh you all get mean you're geniuses. I think you're on on a platform. Expect a response also what's specifically in terms with Shane Gillis's at its. You're literally just saying a slur and like this is a years and years ago when I first started like do open mic end this comedian like basically what happened is. We got a really small thing but it was something that it was inconsistent. I didn't think it mattered and I brought the community stage and he literally has called me a jungle bunny on stage and I was like Whoa what which Russell that's like old school racism. I'm like Jesus Christ but like your grandfather taught you that yeah I have done some. I mean he's from Florida so not surprised but like it. It was something in the ninety nine just that it was not funny but for me was this humiliating. This person just called me a fucking racial onstage and like Nolan start from there. It's like you know like as the victim like okay. I don't even know how to move forward from this. I even know where to respond at this point my take it. I'm an asshole if I turn it into something yeah a- and I think that's the thing that like people are specifically like why communes where like but like I don't understand. I can just like drop this lauren do that. It's like it literally does humiliate people and it forces the victim or whoever you're saying that you have to respond as sort of way and instill somehow maintain a professionally which you can't do so. It's just all kinds of up. Can you really sit these people down. You think when The guy running for President Andrew Yang thinks he can sit down Shane Gillis after Shane Gillis called them a Jew Chink can can go anywhere. I know well first of all like injuring isn't he. One percent like I mean I don't even see the point of like why he would even do that. Don't don't make this your thing. We're getting tough on because if you're willing to sit down and listen to my opposing view then you're willing to also google it find it be the open to it and then you'd be there but at the same time in my willing to hear your point of view. I think Andrew Yang to start hearing his point of view and being like we. We both learned a lot while I'm not vote for you. If you learned a thing these other people saying kids teach US stuff. Don't have them be smarter than them. Holy Holy Shit. Oh well yeah it's but do do they hire somebody now that they have room for a third person that they had Saturday night. Live hire somebody or did they. They go higher Joachim Booster Yeah to Asia too. That's going to explode the it ought to be funny. They introduced the new characters and Bowen Yang and then joke in every class anyway I'll be watching got you again. It's Asterik. It's all a trick in there watching. Here's how I calm down. Calm with all this disgusting gusting this going out in the world. I play Games on my phone right now. I'm playing this game called best fiends and I love it. It's fun one. It's free to download and you know those games where you connect the things but slow puzzle games but then there's new characters in it and it's made for adults but there's lights and sounds and stuff and if you're like Keith you're forty five I go well. Let me tell you some download it free to download. Check it out play some levels and see if that doesn't stop you for murdering people. It calls me down him calm. I know you just hear Joe. Biden talk about corn pop and he could be our next president again. Then I opened up best fiends played a couple of levels with these cute little guys I have it says like best friends but without the art right yeah have that up your brain with fun puzzles and collect tons of characters five-star rated mobile puzzle game on the apple APP store and Google play download download free on the apple APP store or Google play. That's friends with the are without the are without the best means no friends here that the okay that's it. I love it. I love it. You'll love it. Everybody loves it and has a bandage on her arm. You'll see that that's what is it. That's that's for A sex. That's to have sex and our events babies a new way. It's not the pill to give an injection and not worry about nothing. Nobody has nowhere you make everything so sex and your face made a variant she goes. I heard her on the phone. She's like nervous like trying to make an appointment like I'm going to Atlantic City and there's GonNa be sucking fucking implied. Get me in somehow. I don't you want to have to see a specialist. Normal woman in my sex shot. Obviously she got it done just into she's GonNa all the number she's he's going to do. I'm happy for you. I saw that I saw a bandage on her arm the other arm to make sure all the sex. It's like I don't want to mess with. Maybe it's healing finai good. Is there exists. I'm going to go to the doctor to kill all your baby's well under that last three months. Oh Shit and periods are lesson to right. Oh yeah you know how women if you don't want to deal with horrendous periods at all get pregnant. It's just that simple. It's his lying around everywhere. Well it had some issues is getting the shot. I get this the second time I'm taking it so now. It's just on rotation so my insurance knows about it. They know about it. Everyone's expecting me. I have an appointment what's generically generically called. What do you call it Rivera. That's the actual name for the way people say the pill. Did they say the shot depot okay yeah. They like say deathblow. Hello okay US know. BB having free spirits. I get to go to Atlantic city goodbye so I went there and it's it's in this like it's almost like a community center of Health so people like help you through you stuff. There's always stuff on the wall. It's it's very LGBT stuff and so. I really like everybody in there because they're they're. They're like the sweet. Everyone's demeanor is so wonderful so I feel like that equals. I always wait an hour to because well. You're so nice. I'll wait another ten minutes. Not You so go in there. It's the second shot. It's supposed to be on a cycle and they're like well. Your your insurance is not approving this now. I got a fax in fact. Hey children note faxes. Are It's fucking ridiculous that cloning but for paper that's actually really packard you you millennial three hundred pound cheaper so they have to fax a word like expediting is coming coming and I'm like he's expedite a week or an hour like what I got to go to work. We're sending this Ford as per okay all right so they're like wow. We're expediting the dating this over here in the pharmacy area of the building. Go Up to your doctor. Just let them know what's happening. Because you have an appointment I go up there and they're like Oh. We'll try to do something on our and also so sweet like everybody knows that you need the medicine. You need to think nobis nobis win so sitting there looking into it now now now now. They found out that I have to wait another week and I'm like a baby and we just the city. This is the end of the second. I'm I'm in a hotel for two nights yeah. I'm GONNA do some gambling yeah. No Jackpot game was a work until I I WANNA come in here next month for another thing because hotel sex can get while I can use all the towels and throw them off so I run it was so I was in Philadelphia at one time and I got a towel for really achieve and I was checking site grinder. Whatever I was on Grindr being really settled five seconds okay okay. I was looking for love but then this Irish guy was like in the area and he was like Oh actually like miss my flights. I'm stuck here for like another like half a day and sexy so convenient for me. I just want you all to know that he's wearing a green philly. This is was quite the story that you wanted to bring not a plan but this is a very luckily but no we had like it was like the wildest hotels how's Ax and like it was good because we have two beds so one could just be like the sex bed like the lying down bed. I love to bed thing I went to Florida by myself and I eight light to go to the beach and the pools right there and I just feel like I can't get into the shower after every fucking thing I do so I had a beach pool bed. Where I'm just like likes smelly. I ate my food so disgusting hotels now three hundred dollars a night in looking at Buckingham Eton bed and other in other states you know calling for room. Service is like the same is calling regular shit. Here is like Oh twelve dollars for breakfast. That's just New York prices brains a- and then they steal the coffee pods coffee pot the maids thing. Oh Hell Yeah one coffee. Pot is not enough per person flake. I've had troubles with with insurance working and these pharmacists. They never they don't tell you the price which I've learned you have to ask I I. I was having trouble with these pills going through their like sorry. Your insurance is work and Blah Blah Blah on the own after deal with something I start walking away. Go wait a minute. How much is it uh no exaggeration five fifty five dollars fifty cents. What are we doing. What are we doing. That's what happened to me so so we're back and forth there like you. You have to wait a week. You might want to try on Friday or Saturday see if we got it in see if it got approved but if not we'll see you on Tuesday now. I'm in Queens and they're in a I Dunno on Chelsea. Oh shoot so this is like a forty minute ride at least and then I'm waiting an hour and they said like next week and I go I can't I don't WanNa have babies just because of this. They said it will extend like you're not you're not in. you still in the cycle of the last one whatever you know. I'm sure it can drink milk past the expiration. Smelling gas is the smell of my milk when that turns. I don't WanNa be thinking about that in a hotel in a hotel and so oh finally go you know what if you give it to me. Now I pay you when the insurance pays you back. You pay me back. Even if it's a hundred and fifty dollars like let's fuck and make it work no no babies right so let me get back to you. He comes back twelve dollars. That's it. I've been waiting for an hour for you to tell me that. Insurance is giving me Hassle for twelve dollars. Then you gotta go downstairs. Wait in line to pay. Wait in line to get it. Wait in line to get injection and then you could leave two hours later. I writes you guys know Abobo Snow Baby. I'm very much looking forward to Atlantic Atlantic city. I love hotels as we know I love the coffee in the hotels even when it sucks because it's right in my room and it's stupid and I'm going to play poker and then walk the boardwalk would walk and I'm just GonNa hang out so much fun you well. You're period matches up with your Borgata buffet right very excitable. They're not going to see what's coming. I researched which is the best bang for your buck thirty five dollars. I'm going to have one piece of Sushi one piece of chicken one piece of steak. Oh it's GonNa look like a rainbow on five of my plates show other people as you pass them. your plate yeah half a bowl of soup yeah you you gotta get off of sets right. I need a couple of spoons of sue everything. I'm so meanwhile. The irony is everything in a buffet taste. The same soup tastes like steak. Fish is my first time with the hotel where we actually are fucking. We've been like around each other and needed staying in the same place and never looked at each other nervous about a press right. Yeah you gotTa Bring Your Roth. These shoes yeah roth they take water bottles right and they recycle them into shoes that are comfortable that are comfortable. Lord by not going to be your favorite flats and their machine washable come rate. You gotta go to the site just because Keith just said it's going to be your favorite flats. You know what I mean gene. I'm right yeah. 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Because like for example my period should becoming so my boots yet like for me giant and like heavy and also so very sensitive but that's what happens when you get pregnant to SOM-. Please bleed please leave. I'm reading a thread read. That's on our forums. Somebody started j Crowe twenty-one called Keith and the girl dreams and he wrote last night at a dream or woman showed up on my house out of the blue and to be I. I say I say this man but I don't know it's a picture of a parent so I have to guess. That's a man yeah. That's a man okay. That's a dream where a woman showed up on my house out of the blue to be guests on the show. She said Keith under busy so they told her to come to me. Record her spot. I understood this to mean that I was filling coming in as a guest host and scrambled for awhile set. My house is a podcast duty. I love you free along pretty quickly into setting things up. I realized there's no way my recording would be good enough quality to get on the real show especially with my shitty built in laptop microphone and Roommates blessing music in the background Lettuce Dress Dream about twenty minutes of the interview which who knows what that means. That's right pretty good fit split-second who knows if it's an hour he was dreaming got through twenty minutes of the interview with this woman before bailing and sending her home in shame podcasting casting is hard anyone else keith and the girl dreams. Here's finger lakes good topic. He says I've had a bunch of dreams over the years. They never took involve guests. ESTs a handful of sex dreams with Keith think maybe being interviewed on air and having to defend something but most hanging being out somewhere last one. I remember a few months ago. I dreamed I met Keith in Canada and a third person who I forgot in a bar arcade kind of place. I went through with a friend. My friend kept making bad jokes and eventually unimpressed. Keith Kinda walked away. Oh the third one person takes me aside and tells me this was a double date and my friend was ruining it. I forget how it ended out. They I'll oral buddy you. It ended with keys in the glove. I was was saying the other day. How I had a dream that I was laying in my bed and then but in the dream I was laying front and I smacked my head into the bed and then I woke up in your life in Ozama back the way I knew I was like what what did that look like and that it looked like a flopping fish uh-huh or is it all made up. It's so weird to come out of a dream in part of your body hurts yeah. I used to have strings when I worked. Retail as kin has like fourteen years old and you've to fold a lot see if two fold and keep it like perfectly straight out work like ten hour days. I worked twenty days in a row one time because only what what am I doing just give me give me the money going clubbing so I would wake up in the middle of the night and the weirdest thing is I because I was half awake. I knew that I was actually sitting up like if you walked into my room I was sitting up and my room is always messy. I'd clothes on the floor and in my sleeping dislike. I gotta get up to fold that. GotTa Get up to full that and I'm sitting up in a go. How come I can't go because I'm still sleeping. I'm trying to push through and that's the entire gym was me trying to get out of bed to fold my clothes. My mother is probably I should've told my mother that she would have been so happy. Can I mentioned vistaprint yeah. Do you mind of course again. vistaprint is going to tell you how out to own the now. What do they mean by that while they mean I'll be in charge of your life. 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KT CG followed by the number to you support our show when you support our sponsors so we appreciate that very much and I will do that because actually mild cards from vistaprint and I need to get new ones anyway same Eh. You're welcome what's happening with you and the dating game you said last week so I decided I'm GonNa be. I'm I'm trying out your celibacy thing but on a much much tighter stunt now why too because maybe are jumping into things too fast and recognize your emotions. I mean I'm just relax or has. It been two weeks. I'm just I'm trying to like value myself more like last weekend. I ended up meeting with the guy who like we had dated for a while and then we stopped talking for like nine months and I was like okay any reach out out of the balloon is like hey you know I'd like to see you and as trying to be very neutral about it as like sure like Louis we can hang out or something to drink and so he hung out in fairness. I it was for drinks and when I saw him so I was already kind of on a roll. How did that happen. Oh I just kept doing I ordered them. I've got them and then they appeared nervous and then a bartender added a shot to it and then as I go hey great you know we met up in like I was. I was very proud of. I was really restrained but I was like hey by the way it's weird because we just stopped talking for eight months so what happened there and it's not you like going through stuff and I was Boy Yada Yada. Yada are drunks like what I'm always of the outer sleep with you until you something really terrible won't sleep with you phase so then. I did that and then the next morning I was like or maybe I could just not sleep with the next. What did you not like the next morning. Like how do you come to that. I just didn't like the fact that like he gets to say that. It's anti-youth me anyway. You WanNa fuck like I already knew as like but I don't want this to go anywhere so that was like why am I sleeping with them and then it just really started clicking in my mind like I don't need to continuously with people in a sense of just like oh to like at a level of excitement or just get some sort of like weird validations found one was validating. I mean it was really good. Okay well. That's rough yeah how do you how do you make that decision. After really good sex I just will give the sexes excellent great but then like the next morning. I'm just like but like was it really worth it knowing that like there's not a real connection there and so he decided to be celibate until the end end of September. She says to be celibate for literally two weeks. Never compare yourself to me. I'm the goes eleven months you are. I know what you mean system sister. I was horny riding my bike you. How many days are we in. This is actually day. It's eight eight okay yeah so I feel pretty proud of myself in eight streak. Do you usually get fucked good for you. I try to do it weekly like laundry. Yeah you no longer do your laundry. You get your personal clean and then but like take me but really want to try this. I think it'll be good and maybe it will extend past the two weeks. Don't do it but anyway you felt. I'd love and you're going to Atlantic City with your love like I am. His name's irks high and she learned the name says the whole time not bragging necessarily keep. You still have love like you know what I mean like. I want something more substantial. So how's it been so far in this eight days. It was tough because I feel like whenever I make a declaration like that. It's like I just put in the air and like people like readily message me and be like hey you. WanNa fuck and I'm like Oh man like others guys. They'd been on an offer like four years. God for years shit now. You have the time to save four years yeah but I mean he also lives in Jersey so I'm like I'm not crossing to ask but like he like he messaged me in and I was like fuck in a GEICO. Sex is good but when we seems like there's hidden cameras sometimes right. They know I said that. How do they know I feel like it's like. Did you feel like it's like dogs. In smell cancer like it just say it and then they just smell it. You know like Oh. There's some weird thing going on and I need to get the Dick and now like like what Tober first. You're going to have a fuck fast you telling everybody like see me until I mean no but I was actually prefers open for business. Okay okay. So what do you say to guys who are hitting up now. I'm just saying I'm busy until the first and then my schedule's wide open well. I feel too weird taxing someone being like Oh. I'm trying to be celebrate well. So what are you. What did you learn so far I've learned that like I've actually learned to get done like I've so much more time to read books us. Just not like constantly like on a dating APP does as me like who can I fuck. Oh my God. Let me think something clever to say to your profile that you made in two minutes and I'm like Oh my can like really I read this wonderful book about like death and dying a medical complications now. That'll get you off your Dick but this guy is a great tool. Go on day. Check them out do you do you find find yourself going like sometimes. I open the social media. APPS and I'm like who wanted to be here. I just had my thumbs. Just went to certain APPS. You find yourself on grindr underline that I do that. I will say that is one thing is a weird adjustment is at like I do. Keep opening it up. Just automatically allow its addendum swipe a little fun yeah. Oh you did it. Just gotTa get curious. GotTa get cute but then it is weird. 'cause I do it in the name. Medium like always know what am I doing the show shut it off again. So what are people's profiles likely. What do you like about it. I will I when I do like start to scroll in and I'm like okay. Maybe maybe I will try to look for like profile. They're actually filled out like they're at least like a paragraph. What is your say. Do you miss this stuff at no did you. What did you think about the absolutely you were dating for five minutes. I enjoyed that they're women are saying what they like and so if you like what you see do to those things you win okay so it's like fiery yeah. I like cheese honey. Here's some cheese nice like they forget to that. They said uh-huh cheese cheese sixty nine a Chinese. I brought some entire profiles. Yeah of course was that crazy because like no one ever does the how life hack read turns out. I do read toby so read I read. It's not it's it's written quickly. People use short sentences you definitely these women are selling themselves and I mean but but they're going like here's why you might like me and Keith goes. Oh I read this thing I go. I can like all that stuff today not a problem all right Seinfeld. You like Okay Dawn. What it what you have written down well. This is for grinder so it's not not like I mean it's not dirty. It's okay it's more straightforward than when you're on the streets. I just looking for something fun and safe life proud owner of a nineteen eighty-nine Gameboy Ano- I put that in there I should delete that a fan of comedy. TV Action Movies streetfighter orphan black and no racist. Please okay okay. That'll get them away cut. It doesn't work they give up. What were you like again. You did give a lot to work with them. I said orphan black streetfighter and then comedy comedy action all right right so anything. Isn't it feel like everyone says comedy yeah. Everybody thinks they're so yeah. I like to laugh yeah. I don't like to be hurt. During the IT's right there. It's right there. You like the picture go for the words. How do you think he would do in the gay community if one day he was like you know what I'm in I actually clean up up with twigs. Tell him things like that. Not You have a very good like daddy vibe and then with L. The notice truly do that in just just the right amount of arm hair like I feel it too much but you don't want to be a baby yourself. Exactly exactly needs okay can rush against it feel like a man like this like soft carpet arms. What about his personality. Well wait leaving almost no okay so I mean. I think that you're very assertive. Assertive which is nice again. This tone twigs her into that good assertiveness. You're very strong opinions about things which I think that like you know appeals to like a younger mindset of gay you know like I don't think you could pull an an older gay like you can get like an Anderson Cooper. You get like a like a choice but like a Why would I WANNA moment anyway. Well I mean what would you want though of age that it just. I guess the thing that I like it a woman by a guy. I think you're that's hard to answer. What kind of woman would yeah and Calvin just threw up. I'd like like a smart woman who you are going to all the great conversation. Da uh-huh challenged NASA. That's pushing it could go to places they were to gay people like to go the most up well. It depends again. What kind of gay like you would fit like jok like Disney a little Jock Ish i. I mean there's boxers but like I don't think you would boxers you would like boxes. It's literally like a sports the gay bar so like all the all the bartenders servers wear boxers zirs boxes like liberal boxers and no top yeah. I have to be sure okay. Shirtless just boxers did do you find it a little intimidating that people are always half-naked or like a lot of the themes are and you're naked yeah. It is how it's always feels weird because I I mean I'm never I guess ashamed of my body but I'm always like Oh. I'm not prepared for this level of like my My girlfriend wants me to be gay so go the gym with her because the naked old time you gotta work out. I mean it's a classic gay cruising spot. That's not fair because that's behind the scenes. Shit Oh yeah. I don't need to be cruised while I'm trying to do shit and make weird faces about it and I've been told that the steam room was a place where you guys try to hit on other guys and that's even happened at cal Jim once in the past I can barely breathe. They're sucking each other on. I'm dying eyeing and it's just me it'd be the worst game and taking the what you can't you. You're choking on steam while you're not like I mean and also the hot air rises so you're blowing down so it's science kid you're because uh-huh sweat on every different kind of sex they get so hot. How do you guys accept blue. I don't get it. I mean Jeez Awesome spits in here tax now of all places in the steam room another guy came in and I go too hot for that right and then he he said Oh I just WanNa be clear. I'm like it's too hot right. Literally just say it's nothing happened. I don't. I don't know if I stopped at or what or maybe he's a straight. You never clearly not a gym gay but I feel like. Can you tell Kyle that I'm GonNa put it in my a grinder Jim Gay. I'm open to everything the safety first place. Maybe rock bar like rottweilers a really fun. It's more of like a berry bar so it's like a lot of like Harry's words a bears like a hairy man okay whereas swing a smooth BOI boise chest hair on the imagination to I'll fill in the gaps. Nope the rock bar. You could go there because like it's like cool and also like rock. Bar plays like more like like a nice mix of both rock music as well as pop music whitesnake. Actually I think they have like whitesnake out far before. So what are you go for the fall into into categories and light categories. I tend to go for like I guess either like more bearish types or just older bed and I'm sure it's a weird daddy issue thing but for father issue but yeah why why well stability and like usually they have their shit mostly together and gone on l.l okay so here on the chess means like probably did your tax cuco. Google is like Mike if I trying to figure out if somebody's a twinkie because I could get them a gay friend Tommy. Di Can't ask them if they're a twig right and that's the woman she's pregnant well. I mean you just wouldn't like you would just see them and be like Oh. That's a twig okay guy. I don't like to assume I mean if you see someone who's like smooth and hairless and looks twenty four then that's okay. That's it a China. Ask Him. If he's a twin. It doesn't really matter. Is this a love connection even Tober. He's reading. You can tell me idea he's busy. Couple of weird but true is that we never got to you want to go through some. GonNa pull somehow randomly here. We go a few smiley. Faces could help your dating life. A new study found people who use more emojis with their prospective partner have more sex x and a more active and successful dating life said the study that student no I hate emojis I because it just like be literate. Use Your words well. This is interesting. You hate emojis now. You're on a sex strike so far citing out. I don't hate it but I can't imagine me. Descending like a heart and a kissy-faced desert seizes getting him hard. I don't know he also said he hates Emoji so I had to cut back all right. Let's while I can't help him. You're getting this guys can let me know if that's true if you're eating if you're dying T to twelve thousand isn't Calorie Burger. This British pub may have something for you. The George Pub and grill in County Durham is offering the Big Ben Number ten lies this to offer a three pound counts stack of ten burger smothered in cheese and bacon for thirty five dollars. Oh that's pretty cheap. That's all the my parents would do and then give us each a burger. How do you get your mouth around that. Is that the wrong question. Okay cool. No it's the right question. The pub's owner Craig Harker a pledge to pay more than six hundred dollars toward a headstones. Should anyone succumb to a heart attack. That's pretty nice though not and I'll kill you but I'll pay the head hundred dollars. Just get nice as well one's like he died. He lived but how like when in has competitive eating gone so wrong that it's like. I'm going to try to kill you and if I do I win but so do you kind of like why not this is the best tasting burger not the biggest piece of shit you can put in your face and we've been working for a while now and we're terrible terrible cokes so here's what we're GONNA do. Pounds Shit more than Mary. Mary a Hungary pothead in Paris shot a waiter at an eatery because his sandwich was taking too long to prepare pothead be now. It's it's not the twenty eight year old server. Hotheads excuse me I'm like weird mature. The Twenty eight year old server will sit in the shoulder and died at the scene. The gunman fled and has been to Paris. You get it. They do have an attitude Harris. Here's here's the thing I was. I was an ignorant in American and I just was like everyone's going to speak English and then after a couple of weeks touring after a couple of weeks there. I was was getting attitude. Nobody liked me anywhere like I mean the audience and the show that separate but when you were just like walking around then I listened to a podcast that taught me just a a little bit and as soon as I tried speaking French. They were lovely and they smoking Sean and you know what they were right. Go Fuck Yourself. It's like hi. I'm here so so just fucking do what I normally do and figure it out with me you know as soon as I try. They were lovely. That's true I mean whatever visit places like a Spanish speaking country like I always try to learn a phrases and they're like Oh. Thank God we're so grateful yeah. I think it's really rude to just because you do but it's like you don't want to. Maybe you know you're breaking your teeth doing it so speaking of dreams a woman in San Diego dream that she ate her engagement ring turns out she really really did she woke up. She was like I know where it is. It's in my stomach and it was okay. That could be a sign throwing out there. Jinnah Evans said she dreamed that she and her fiance bobby were facing quote bad guys on a train. She swallowed the rock to protect it. When I woke Oh cup and it was not in my hand I knew exactly where it was. It was in my stomach. Doctors were able to remove the jewelry and return it to her left from her shit yeah zoning which way you gotTa. Open yourself love for that shit on your ring. I'll see you in a minute gets a romantic not an operation when I get shit. This shit out shit happens a man in the country of Georgia crushed national record when he used just one finger to pull a two hundred twenty ton tugboat about sixteen ecksteen feet. There are superhuman people around the I was reading a story. Some guy can hold his breath for underwater for ten minutes there. There's superhumans around here. We're now picture this guy. He's in your store and he goes to open the door but he doesn't push it. He should pull it. This Orissa right on one finger is moving two hundred twenty tonnes. That's that's scary now but some picture he flicks your ear. There were times I'm on a bike and like this one time and even going uphill and this runner is running at least as fast as me and is now getting head of me like what is this dried and then I'm like don't pay attention to totally cool. But of course I'm secretly China ride faster stor and somehow he's going faster now. We're in a race that I lose everything. It's very very sad the other day I was on a long incline and I just I WANNA put out there that I'm like four months of knee surgery and lake you know eight or so months out of light complete biking this. He must have been at least eighty eighty years old on an adult tricycle nine. Just passes me cruises up. This hill has me and then in the back. He has a basket with like beer in it and I'm just like I'm healthy. I'm strong. I McKay okay and I'm biking. I felt better that the next day I passed a bunch of twentysomethings on that same incline okay all right and then later another eight year old passed me on a higher incline fucking running okay and I was like this better be the same motherfucker that I saw yesterday on tricycles 'cause there cannot be like fifty eight year olds passing me every goddamn minute thank you. I'm strong. I'm free. I'm wonderful invincible your woman here. You weren't thank you Rar Rar George e Roster Mosh vally pulled this boat with a rope tied to his finger so the rope was on his finger the ropes on the boat. He's pulling Majnun finger blast then Jesus. My Colin beat his prolapse city but like in an enjoyable way maybe Google prolapse Something's about the here's a final one. A weight loss technique nick. It's a brain chip that zaps people when they think about overeating no. I'm ED. Hey I will die. I literally go. I'm full and then put another by in what happens. When you even think like look at me. I didn't come on. I didn't like Anorexia and your mother's mothers there all the time down and then you had enough in a Stanford University clinical trial six morbidly obese volunteers will have the device implanted for a year and a half now control binge eating. How is this legal. That's a lawsuit waiting to happen a mild electric shock. This is fucking Holocaust shed happens. Mangla happens when it detects patterns linked to a bitch or quote uncontrolled behavior what I need you to do. hypnosis therapy like this a lot easier and safer. I'd punch you when you think about it but also be safer here which one if it's a good thoughts about overeating bad thoughts about overeating just thoughts about overeating and it doesn't matter you see a commercial the what if you're like dreaming about food like your thoughts because you can't really stop and then the dream turns out you know. I don't know the foods attacking. Can you hear the Middle Eastern view or lunch meeting. Oh Yeah Yeah yeah sorry. That's just me over eating. Take your resume looks great. We'd like to talk more about it over lunch. Yes trying to turn your nods until when you're being Kevin cadle the twitter account is Kato Cavin. Yes that the instagram is Calvin s Kato. I know about to take in. They WANNA THEY WANNA find you. They got to work for it. I like that I like people the guessing on my on my dating APP I said it say what are your likes and I'd say you'd like to know really got to work for it. I I put in code. It's every other word what I really like that. That would actually be really good grinder profile across Kevin Kato Dot Com. That's the website. That's where that's the hub right yes. That's where everything's going on and you get a chance to see Kevin. Do stand up you do it. You see it is so much fun and also by the way if you don't know how to spell the guest's name if you're forgetting Keating girl dot com and our APP has all the Information Asian in fact when you see this episode at not only has Calvin catos wonderful phase and the social media there you can click on his name and see all the rest of the Times he was Zayn. He's got his own page and you can find that girl dot com or Keith Nicole dot com slash Calvin Keno. Oh Holy Shit a wonderful. Thank you so much Lesser Keith Gay Sometime Yeah. He's they're going Donna tomorrow jokes. Are you serious. Oh Oh my God way they're right. I think you guys just started dating. Let's go.

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Pooty Booty - EP 307

Straight Talk with Ross Mathews

1:24:31 hr | 1 year ago

Pooty Booty - EP 307

"I think I'm going through menopause because one second I'm boiling hot one second freezing cold. What is going on? I'm not getting sick. We're GONNA talk about that. I'm not getting sick but I just walked in Pristina Darling and it was freezing right. Shut the door Berg. Put on the Cardigan. What's going on? I feel like a sweat on my lip. Yeah what's going on. Climate change is it. Is it. Well Yeah I wish he was here. I do tend to sweat. That's right off the Bat I do too. I love it when fans on and windows windows open. You know how I love my fans who do sleep with one. I also have a fan of my bed no anyway gosh. There's so much going on and I'm hot and the dogs are walking. Everyone's talking about dogs dog. Everyone settled down to a Nikki's not here. I'm telling you it just goes off the rails malone. Can you correct door getting over this. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. Listen the Nikki's not here. But don't you worried uncle Ross. Got You covered all right. Not going to be some sausage fest up. Well kind of is yeah. I got big news on the flip side. We got cookie elephants filling in for Nicole boy eight today. Lots to talk about Please give me that and I love some. He's the best friend you wish you had. And no you need this money. Now here he is. Ross Matthew Talk Shows Suites John and we're GONNA be all right. Ah Yes we welcome to talking to the perfect do please your cookie. Yellow fonzie sitting in for Nickel Boyer. Oh yea hello everybody so happy. You're here cookie. Of course everyone knows cookie. Cookie was a listener into our program than a a major contributor. I believe was missing straight. Talk two thousand eighteen seventeen. I still am because we haven't had another one. Only I've been never did another one so that's for that's a lifer he's alive also here is arts. Hello everyone and Mrs Sir Faxing Malone Hello Facsimile was going to have you open that window but we said No. Because you've been sick you you're you're wrapped up in. What's what's this about so ill I don't know I actually think it's a cold slash flu really hard? How did it work through it all? Well I started getting the scratchy throat back there and then my own. Oh No. It can't be just progressed. Yeah I don't really hard and as you get Kamai Age. It feels like when you know told me I'm not getting it was looking around and I just tell you I'm so happy I didn't go to Puerto Vallarta because I all I can imagine if I would have went I would have been sick and has diarrhea on top of it. That's when you get back you go after a big debate I said where'd you please. I said Ma'am Keno. I said Oh my God you hear this coughing. Oh my God Ma'am podcast. I noticed I came back. I said I said surreal. You get breakfast. He's like no. I'm sick I'm so sick in the first week of my mouth. Where are we wish? Excuse me I was that last one checked out. I said I said well you have been ticky became Iras era. You Win and gotten sick. He said no sicker. I don't think he would have got sick. I think that was Karma telling you you should have come to know what I think. I got sick of our argument. The last episode. That's why I got sick the stress. How bad was it cold? Ross it's bad bad bad like I went down down like I said like sleeping and I can't get sick the I you know I can't. I got thirty cities coming so I'm taking Vitamin Agency of a is there an anal optional ticket. I'm I'm washed. Remains worn micro bloody this. How did you all right over there with the socks on this morning that I get in the shower I oh that hurt and they get in shower and I looked down and it looks? There's blood in the bottom of the bathtub bathtub coming coming up my foot so I had to go to the pharmacy and I get bands band AIDS. No no wonder why I'd meanings wearing a cute look Gucci thing. I can't fill it up with blood I gotta got band AIDS and I walk in and there's this whole line. Everyone's like they're all dripping. God this I was behind this guy in line right there and so and then I'm like I don't want to sign. I do apple pay. I don't want to sign anything anything I'm like. I want to get the carnal my hand I asked the lady I go. How do you not get sick? And she goes well. There was no answer. She'd sit. There is no answer. Well that was the hands of a cookie here. Have you been sick cookie. Did you get sick. You know the famous veteran system. I'm I'm like that too actually cookies. And I've said this cookies are full of vitamins. I never get sick. When's the last time you got sick like two or three years ago and it was probably for like three days? It took like day off work. I never get sick but I shouldn't say that because now I'm probably GonNa go home and get Megan if you if you show often confident with tongue right now. Let's roll the dice baby. He's got a little baby. uh-huh walk the talk over fact. It wouldn't get sick because I did. I I was talking. I I know for a fact you wouldn't get sick because I have been talking to somebody for a little while we were planning on going going on a date but he was sick but he wouldn't not get not sick so we're just like let's just go anyways and I think insects so good so you went on a date with somebody who is sick and you did you did you. This is Selena Selena. She does this thing. Called a backward sneeze dogs you know it's just hard breathing But she sounds you know what this is. What Salinas Dungle Baby? She sounds like this Lena. Stop not little dogs. Do it in the dome. You can't get your brush. Oh I love you baby. See what you did cookie so so you only got so distracting. Lena can you hear that. Let let me see me. Oh Oh oh Mama Emma it's okay that is so cute I love you. She's just a little excited. Just a little selene she she get. There's so much going on the little e wall so okay so cookie so tell me more hor hold. That's right exactly. It was this guy mark. Oh my God who told you know. Cookie had a famous dream about blowing. Mark Everybody knows that nightmare to completion. So don't go to deepen cookie social life because we have a lot coming. We're going to talk about all right. I do have to say if you is all are familiar with a burrito girl now breakfast burrito girl. She's the girl who went through the drive through at this place we like gave me a free breakfast Burrito and then gave fags e free breakfast Burrito. I can't stop thinking about breakfast. Burrito girl well tell news that she updated her instagram. We'll first of all I love. I love this girl so much. I looked on her or instagram and she branded herself as Burrito girl like her instantly profile says Burrito. Tell you the sense of pride I had handled handle. She says I'm I'm Burrito girl underneath. That's heard bio on her instagram. What was the name of her commander? Well we'll tell you hook up up some snack attacks for us. I know Okay so I went up to Washington. State you guys for the fundraiser for my From my mom's hospital balls deep with you on I'm talking about and by the way your voice is kind of very be Arthur C. I can't get sixty two at can't KOCIC. What if I get sick on this to put it in your head? I'm not getting sick. Why would you put that in my head? I didn't lighting me again. The door behind you to let it behind it because it's all holding inside gone. I'm going to get pneumonia. Can't tell you storing yeah about Prestige Darling. It probably wouldn't do this but I'm going to anyway but this is this is where we do the backup matthew. Our engineer comes early to set it all up and he came out and see Genera in the living room freak out here fag. He goes. I might lead lead a little La Policy Info spray or something for that room and I was like what what are like. What I'm thinking is the energy he goes? I on tooted a little bit in there. My God I know I know. He honesty he party darling. I would've left studio proud. Just left it. I think that's funny. Oh my God let me. I am such a good fodder if I need to. I mean I will find doral find a window. Find a way where there's a will there's a way and so I'll be like Oh. I left my car outside rep it oh then the trick is rip and wait because I have ripped income inside and it gets trapped released. You have to rip outside. Cookie can I naming Amen. Yeah winless farted So funny time you for I asked the questions people kerns. SMU farted probably in the car on the way here did you have you today. I'm sure I'm sure probably the car here. Probably probably I don't take notes farts so I lost my father did I was talking to J giggled. New went you gotta be careful. AIRFOIL is as you get older. They just teeny little. When I go anywhere how cute onto the valet before they opened the to the but I did tell the story about once I had terrible and I was like driving and I was going to shit myself and I had and I got pulled over the please and I roll down the window and the obstacles are you Rosman Osma? Oh my God really Yep Popo let me up. That's the name of the episode. Papa let me up true story do if you find it in like in a party. Let's say with a lot of people and it smelled and you did. You had no control. How would you would you kind of just act like somebody else did it? I'll tell you recently I was in bed with somebody. The true story that somebody that I was in bed with understand we woke up in the morning and there was conversation then there was that lay back to sleep thing. And it's you know someone that I had just started seeing whatever and I was laying there and like cuddling right. Ain't I was the big spoon cuddling falling asleep. And I hear the Mike kind of making little snore noises and so I start falling asleep and then all of a sudden I woke. Okay my self up with and move. It was quite a minute and then I I heard them go still sleeping and I was just like what if I woke her up. No no the bird has the rest of the story is true for sure if that he as she was still asleep has because I farted when I was dating a little twenty-seven-year-old I farted and he was asleep literally. I'm like Oh could he's asleep. He didn't hear it. And then I hear I heard that was in bed with somebody. Somebody was the big spoon and it was. It was just just like I was like this. I was but oddly enough I was just. I'm thinking bigger so cute. That was watching. I was up and it was just like day party. They woke up. It turned around looked at me and was like Oh shit turn back around and that we have and you thought it was nice. Nice do you like it. You said I think farts I love farts. Because they're funny. The sound of them are funny and I love because there we all far like sometimes you thank you pushed into their. But they're releasing air throughout the night and so my because we just did things and so it's releasing the air. Aw from pushing a nope. That's enough informative right okay. What is it sounds like that? Didn't they had real before discount Cookie Wind blessed time. You had a breakfast Burrito key McKeeve the literally yesterday you did winslow homer all question. Oh I don't know I'm you know I'm I'm GonNa be completely honest. Probably not that long ago. Really about eating habits understood the question. If I would have invited you to Puerto Vallarta would you have come your yeah absolutely. Did you think in fact she was a fool for an ongoing. I got on this. Do you think that the him getting sick was the universes way of punishing them for making wrong choices. Yes I do yes. 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I want you to hear the ones before right now. So He's you know what that is. You know what that is mark coming when cookie blue and Oh my God. It is so believable. I went there without your knees. Welcome back to the program honest if if I get sick do you know that I will never. I will always going to be the fancy cold of twenty twenty. That's not fair I if I get. I can't get sick. Well you're not going to get. You're not going to get back had to tell yourself you're not gonNA get sick of a psychic eight that I'm going to get sick or not. I have a psychic hit that you will not get sick. Okay good. I'm when you are sick and I just you say you power through it I do but I can't power thirty cities you can. I had a psychic hit this week. You Did oh my God and I can prove it. I did have a psychic it and I don't it's my motivator. What what it is but I actually put it out there? In the University of the psychic the psychic hit and I I thought to myself this is going to happen. I should put it out there. I tweeted the night before the Oscar. Nominations I'm sitting at home honestly worried that Jaylo will be snubbed for an Oscar nomination for Hustler's pray for J. Lo and then what happened. Did you really check my twitter. I swear to God I did it on my twitter. I saw you and the next morning I tweeted retreated myself until I had a psychic it. I had a second breaking social media and look look. Look I'm showing right now. Well no I don't WanNa get you sick. Oh yeah no one should get me sick either. Going to bed tonight legitimately scared that Jaylo could be snubbed for an Oscar nomination tomorrow morning for us. This is what concerns me at night. Let's all pray for Jaylo Heart Emoji Prayer Emoji the next morning Ono Jaylo. I had a second hit that this. What would happen Oscar snub? Okay do you think she deserves obviously. No I didn't see Hustling County. Jail Deserve Nelson Nation. Supporting actress dare you. I mean for everything else. You've got number but I mean I love Jaylo but it was it ask yes yes when she talks about sticking it to the man the man who have been robbing everybody blind forever she talked. I believed it like Selena. SELENA was Oscar being. Like if you compare hustling Selena like for that to be talking about my dog you were talking about you. Yes that Selena yes but it was great. All the bus. You got about Hustlers I agree but constants. I thought should've got nominated for sure. Jailers' should have been I mean and the only reason she it wasn't is because everyone thinks that she has too much but you know why Jaylo has so much is because she can do anything that's what she has what you think they were jealous. Yes yes I think. Everyone's jealous of Jaylo because jail has billions of dollars. She's gorgeous still at fifty she can. She can saying gene act and everybody in all these old white people in the academy can't do anything and they're jealous of Jalen they don't take it seriously right because all those nominees were like. ooh What. Well which one did you not like the most. I mean Aquafina should've at like she should have got that nomination for sure. There's just so many women that were left out. Women Directors. There was an. I love that Easter egg called it out when she was like yes graduates to those men. Yes yes I mean I think the best of the year should be nominated. Gender should be taken into it. I wish more women were directing films right but there were there were quite a few. I mean even when you look at alluvial wild did that film. I mean there were. There was some great film so I'm taking that into a comfort for that academy. Yes put them in there. But who would you move from the nominees. He's your best director to fit a woman in Who would you take out todd? Bills Joker no Sam Mendez for nine hundred seventeen see tendency Quinton Tarantino for once a Hollywood. No Marker Sese no parasite no. That's I'm like who would you take out just Admiral nominations then. What's the point? Nominations and everyone gets a participation ribbon. Okay but then stupid some women of course if I think they should be nominee I think the more films Helmswoman make the more chance that they have to get nominations. But I don't think you should. You should have a mandatory female nominee. No I'm just I just feel like they. It's just always men immune to grab Quentin Tarantino. Anything he does is always great. We're going to always nominate him. Kind of thing. Yes I think I understand. You're saying I if I was if I was nominated it. I wouldn't want it to be because I was one of the five best that year. Not because they need to have a a right so many amazing like Eddie Murphy. I feel like for Dolemite not only five spots though so you know. What was your favorite movie of the year? Just out of curiosity I loved. Once upon a time in Hollywood I love once upon a time in Hollywood. I honestly love Judy only one. I saw Judi down. It was so beautiful Rene is going to rain. The joker was amazing to. I still haven't seen that I haven't seen it joker so I haven't nineteen and started yet to the last time I answered sitting in this room know When can I ask you? Ross Jaylo and you're at home watching those Oscar. I think about it. I'll tell you did you have done. What do you think she did? I something got mad. I thought about it that about right away so I remember and I read about this in the first book doc. I R- I read about waking up at five thirty in the morning. I always do on Oscar nomination morning when Madonna was going to be named for Vida and she wasn't that's right it and I thought about her than what what is she doing now. You know. And she's never talked about it. What did Madonna do you know? She was watching the nominations you know. J. Lo was up watching the nomination you know she. was you know what I would do if I were Jaylo. And I didn't get nominated for an Oscar after being nominee for Globe and winning a bunch of other precursor awards. You know what I would do a few things one. I would take all my clothes and look at the mirror and I would say look you bitch. Then I would go to oracle my money and jump into it like scrooge mcduck in the beginning of duck tales and I would. I would swim in my money and then I would go and find a rod and I would have sex with a rod and then I would feel better about being Jaylo. Okay Okay Eight. Anyone now feeling great about who needs an Oscar. You got that a Rod Dick. That's true all that money body. I'm kind of on the red carpet though that would have been fun. That should be my fourth thing I would do is call me publicists and say I'm going going to the Oscar. Yes better believe. I'm that person if I fell as an ice skater like a professional ice skater. Fuck you all done so like. Oh I didn't get I'd be on on the news going like I am so mad. I really vocal about it. I'm pissed off. I should I deserved that. And I'm not doing the Super Bowl now because because of it would absolutely would. I'll tell you what I would do is I would go to the Oscars and the so best dressed that they didn't talk about anybody else on the red carpet I would make such kind of share. Did a forty five foot train behind you right and I do print Oscars on my address. Walk down there and I would exactly. How beyond say was that the Golden Glove? She was like the talk of the Golden Globes and address. Yeah and then she wasn't. That's right yes she was nominated for Song Not for no Bianchi was not at the Oscars. No I said glow saying to. Oh why did she get snapped because they hate beautiful women women women who are talented triple threat to our two successful have been nominated to us. She plays slow. Go rolled into one. Movie let me tell you something when people are two six. It's why last year I was worried that Gaga wouldn't be nominated for best actress because when people are women are too successful. Yeah Taylor Amy. We're GONNA play a game called. Who can it's called on the name L.? Let's take a cookie out of the cookie jar due to the cookie from the cookie jar. Dander took the cookie from Austin did you. You knew Thaksin's Acsi took the cookie from the cookie jar. Who took the cookie okay? Jar siege it. So here's another game where you never heard who took the now from the cookie jar. He took the key. Here is how ready. Who Cook the cookie from the cookie jar? Ross Ross took their cookie from the cookie. Jarred me yes you couldn't be then. Who did you have childhood? I don't know either. I'm sorry I coming says okay. I'm sorry what it's the cookie from the cookie jar somebody let's say. Cj could not not because you know C.. J. Took the cookie cookie jar. And then you say who me yes you you say couldn't be within. who was this reading green? But I think there's a lot to learn and then someone else who took the cookie from the cookie jar. Who to me? Yes you could it be could it be. Could it be then these cookie cookie the cookie from the cookie jar. So Meta who me you couldn't be then. Cj Ross Rossellini. I've never understood the point of it but it is something that we did as children now. I'm sorry that you don't know this And this is just something. I assume that children no. Did you do Red Rover. Red Rover Red Rover fags. He right over. Did you do that. Cj loop loop came. Who did you do what about this? I love doing this musical chairs. I love chairs. Yes so that's what would you say that I think. Walk me through what it is like they play a song and then they stop it and you run around chance which Oh friends and then there's an. There's one less number Chad in all your friends that are running around in the circle. Yes and let me tell you can fuck up musical chairs. Ross Mathews Slit your throat in. Are you serious. So you'll swear it talked about this before school carnivals things everyone have to bake cake like parents who baking bring it in. They'd play musical chairs Arizona and everybody got a cake. Yeah you don't worry about your home in the kick but it was about the person who got to pick the cake first and then second place got got to pick second and so on and so forth so I would elbow you in your neck to win. Did you know no I need to. I had reputation going into these chairs that they know you were well known so it was like professional. Let me just say this they. We're all fighting for second. was that the only game. You're good at where you get like. No no competitive Simon Says Oh God I'm GonNa Fuck that up. You just do whatever Simon says. I got fooled by it. Oh you you're that kid. You're the you're the kid and then I fuck you. It's not something else if I'm in. Simon says it'll be time before it starts. I'm so nice do you. Do you know why I'm so nice you before it starts because you're not a threat. I would win musical chairs I would win because not because I'm harsher than you and literally push you off. I would win. You would win at red like green light. You can take your relationship your ass. Do you have your Brownhole. I don't want red light green light but fuck radical chairs. You fucking outbreak your legs your that cutthroat. I mean I just said I'll slit your throat chairs I know I do not. I am so competitive. It's so funny. I'm on this new show. Twenty five words or less. That's on and they just tweeted a link comedian and I am so competitive and all I. Do you WanNa hear doing here this. This is me winning. Somebody ten thousand dollars hold on. I do twitter dot com slash. Hello Ross This is me winning somebody. Ten thousand dollars on Here we go listen play it here. I don't even I. We shot so many episodes. I don't even really remember. Listen to so the whole the point of this game is where they have to use so many words to get us to say their word. We don't know what it is it's me and Melissa Peterman. We both sound like women. Only one of us is follow along to which one is me all right and I we get this. Let me tell you we win. Listen Long Pants. Shorts twenty two words plumbing plumbing tube not ceiling for me saying it. I I said it before I said it before. Melissa Peter Turn it up a little it. Can you turn that up. Thank for C.. The first floor was me. second-floor was her. I got the first floor. Melissa Peterman has been on struck but but I still wanted to beat her four C.. First floor I said at first not Mac piece. This is hard not automatic apple bright. That is MAC. I mean not Mac windows personal conduct a second. Listen Macintosh Macintosh personal computer. PC So I got it eventually windows. That was me California Nevada state. That was me states states. That was me. PULL teeth file today. That was me that got it. Also my grinder headline Meredith Vieira host. That was me host Meredith. Vieira your sins. His old fast overweight Chubby fat. I got fat doritos chips. May I do you see how good I am. Seven years left quickness fast speed Roz Matthews got speed. He took at the time to watch that. And that was the winning. Celebrate that you said it I. I went through each one and saw that I said at first in your throat chairs you stand anyway. We're we're we're playing a game. Yes thank you for remember you. Gosh Darn Oh hey kirk. Who took the cookie from the cookie? Draw me yes you could be then do cookie. Could I don't know what this is. This is like I'm doing nursery rhymes with the point. Is this okay. Okay can be the background music. Play who cookie jar thirty cents. I searched who cookie from the cookie jar and it keeps up Morris kid songs and nursery rhymes super simple songs. Not Simple enough because you don't get it. The point is we WANNA play this game about cookie and the cookie. We Wanna get to know cookie more. You understand so we can ask. I answered cookie. I said can we ask ask you anything because he and cookie said would you say I said this is a great idea. Yes yes I said yes I said cookie. Can we ask you anything thing and so I would wanNA know because cooking the past it's been a little Up Stoop this music. It makes me angry now. Music is awful cookie triggered cookie. How old are you now? I'm twenty four cookies twenty four. When did you start? When did we meet you? Bet thank you but you probably four years ago. You're twenty five years ago. I think it was nineteen my gon. Na you growing up now you you did mention that you have been dating Scottish. So can we ask you anything. Answer it you can ask me anything okay. Can I search investigative music investigative about dating or. Can we ask anything. Like I would like to know this understand. I would like to know Cookie Gi if I'm a Oh this is going to be nervous cookie. Yes you're under oath. Oh Jeez I cook. Raise your right hand cookie I swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth so help me bluff. Swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth so help me Blah Blah. Okay Cookie. When was your first kiss? My first kiss was fourteen. Who is it not just lied? It was when I was thirteen and it was with a girl. And what was her name. God it was the Celia she was after came out of the closet. We've stayed friends. I heard about CECELIA cookie No I'm just cooking fags. He stole the cookie from the cookie. Jar Yeah I did Cookie when did you did you discover masturbation on your own. Oh I did and I was very very very young like probably too young. I don't know I was just fascinated with myself which is fine. It's funny that I'm so weird about it now because when I was a kid I was just very interesting because a lot of I was scared going to happen. No one told him take effects the end of the jar. When did it happen for you? It happened when I was like about maybe eleven and it was in the bathtub and I started playing with myself off and that came out and I was really afraid I remember it felt good but weird and then I went into the living room and I told my sister my I something came out of my my penis. I don't know what it was like. No one told me anything about that. I was here without the sister. Part of a very similar story very similar story. I was still doing that. I don't even remember. It's just oh you're out of the. Cj Jar yeah. When did you first masturbate I was nine. What was the story? Did you hear about it because nobody told me about it. Oh that happens do sometimes. We'll can I just say that. I grew up in where everybody has the Internet all the time I discovered pornography I was like eleven and it right. That's me up. I wish it didn't but I did. Scar you for lives at. It really can remember exactly what I watched. Yeah I wish. I wish I wouldn't have a worry for parents errands if I was here and I'd be worried. I make an an admission. Yes so God this music I go. My Dad was a hunter right and I I'm not I'm not a hunter but I love hanging out with them and always always yearning to find ways to bond with my dad and my brother because it was just me and my mom I I would much prefer to stay home and unload the dishwasher but I would instead we'd go out and go duck hunting with them and things like that so my dad. Once a year. We'd go with his all his friends and they would go to eastern Washington to Wall-to-wall or some shit like that. Something Pasco something like that and we would go out and I would say doubt. I WanNa go and he'd be great because that's what he wants to do. He wants to get fucked up with his friends and shoot things right but I would undergo because I was trying to put forth the effort a little house on the prairie right but my favorite thing is that they would get a motel and staying in a motel was amazing and they had it set free free. Hbo I remember on the Motel and it was a real shithole. They would get like a room that had big but it had like a kitchen. I mean just kind of disgusting if I look back on it right And like four four beds in the room and one bathroom and like he and his friends and I would stay there and they would all and they thought I was probably too young for this but they would splurge because I thought it was. It's hilarious. They would get the porno channel and they put it on while they were cooking they after we were hunting on the freezing cold all day I would love to get home because they would all talk shit they get drunk drunk they start talking shit about each other. They play cards and I would get to be a part of it but the thing that was weird is that there was porn on right in the thing and I'm like eleven ten eleven of it and they call it they all but they would sit around laugh at. It wasn't like a sexy thing that they would laugh at it and they go rocky look at that and they right they getting pounded walis. Please workshop I don't know why these workshops that was like their code for and I think it was like a dollar ninety nine extra day it would be on and they would just have a dog and it really wasn't like at all sexy it was like all the least sexy thing in the world. It was just like hilarious. And so we'd be like playing cards and they'd be like Ah Alley that I would look up and just being completely unfazed by it and I'd be like Jenn. Are you serious. Yes like why why. You didn't think anything. I never thought it was weird. Intel adult hut even describing to now. It sounds like some sort of weird thing like that was but it really was just like hilarious on there and so I was so it's not weird is is very interesting and it's not weird. It's it's not something. I thought about until much older than I thought what. How did that? How did that affect my brain? What did that mean for me? I don't know did it change later when you saw porn where you more like. Oh like Jim Moret reaction to it later in life. I didn't feel like I saw like nothing. It wasn't exciting anti gay porn and then I was like Oh my God. Oh that's for me. It was more just like I was curious who they were a weird settings I wanted. What town are they in? It was I was watching house hunters it. It was like where are they. You know I wasn't like wasn't interested in your when as gay people when you watch porn as you never had sex the first time like when you watching two men have intercourse in your mind. Are you thinking I wanna top or do I wanNA bottom like I'm so that's a question I want like you're like oh I wanna take him a but or I want to stick with it when I figure it out but you know I did. You have a feeling I knew a Mike tried to bite him and he was a Migraine in the last time. I will ever do that again. Thank you but I knew I wanted to be a topos. Take that cookie the cookie chairman. Answer yes when I was younger I always thought I would them because not the physical part of it but I just yes I think I like the idea of being submissive like I think that was turned onto me kind of come on. You WanNa let Daddy because in my day to day life in control. Ah Yes yes. Mostly the only time where. I'm like do anything Austin people that are like that. Which is why I don't like to talk about it because it's such a different different? It's different for different. You could go up to thirteen lately. You should be in place you should. You should be in this place complete honesty. We have no shame for your sexual human beings. Yes yes I love it cookie. I think that's my news. Resolutions to stop is to get out of my own way and uh-huh Oh my God I love that wonderful. Hope I have sex one day. Wait what I'm just worn out. Did you fart. Innovate with somebody. Just fine not have sex work if you pootie booty they were having your back get out of our bed here if you they have some self respects Moody. Booties booty booty. Ever tried the pootie duty from trader. Joe's they actually believe that one. Yeah yeah no pilot Joe Moody Soot up every time the pretty pootie that is cute. uh-huh turtles appropriate in my book. Title aged take off sex for a second. What who's your favorite Democratic presidential candidate? Correct take a hard left. I mean allow from talk to caucus I know I always talking dumped them. You know what I hate to say it but at this time I don't know if I'm educated enough to make a public opinion like I have my opinions about. Oh if I could just say it. I'm just I'm most interested. I most interested in Elizabeth Warren. But so I'm just interested. I haven't I need to do more research to got to you. Got To cook in. I appreciate you saying because I think you speak for a lot of people who have peripherally paid attention to what's going on just because it through osmosis everything but you must you must. Yes you use of America. Do you think Pete. Buddha judges cute now I think it's really great that he got to run in the race for so long. Is he still in the lucky doubt that I'm very hey cooking. What's your tight? Can I take. What's your type of guy who they romantic like No I know I mean of course like and who who do you look at cooking. I near like DOT COM. I could take this cookie cookie jar I I guess I kind of like Like nerdy Nerdy scrawny. kind of boys can look like a little bit. What the sort of like? I think it'd be funny advertise. Ah who would it be for cookie to walk in here and be like this. Is My boyfriend. I argue for this. This would be the funniest boyfriend for you to bring in a fifty year old old leather daddy right I really Jay I I could see him with an older guy. Fifty audio lender Tom Money. Yes pootie booty. You would not I want to know who devoting. I'm who booty funding the daughter of cookie. All right come on focus. Take Capucci Budi coody out of the the. WHO's the hottest blackbelt celebrity? ooh You thought of having sex with like oh can totally the hottest. What black can I can? I get one hundred. No you're asking you're asking. Yeah no I think not hot but cute. 'cause I'm more I'm weren't a cute guy I think is so beautiful. The Mary sisters brother is so handsome but he's not supersede sister sister. No they're real brothers. Their sister they him he was smart guy. Oh that was. My era grew up on that show and I think he's so in in hot sexy guys. I like Cupolas. I'm right here who I mean. Every you want me to list black is if you get it. Oh my God. There's so many of them. Are you kidding me We'll start with Russell Wilson we'll go to a drake then we'll go to Hersher then we'll go to will smith then we'll go to ti. You think. Well we'll many yes. I agree with you on Trae. He can have my pootie booty credence. Jeffrey Chapman Jeffrey Chapman the way but I mean he's a boyfriend you know what I'm saying Ah Yes but does it might turn to pull the cookie out. I mean somebody a man of color. Oh Drake really. Yeah no drake break is on you know when he him and the ones that I've color that I wouldn't have sex with that's going to be shorter list. You know what I'm saying there. It's too hard for me with all of this sexy. Sorry my point. Is this easier for me to list the black male celebrities. They wouldn't have sex within the ones I wouldn't because there are less you know what I'm saying. Who wouldn't you Al Roker of him starting charting again? I wouldn't be. I wouldn't have them again. Oh thank goodness please. I'd like this is fun. Let's see what's happening in your neck of the woods says that always says so stupid anymore. More cookie jar cookie are you. I have one more yet. Are you on Grindr. Oh God that's a good graph. That's a chocolate chip cookie. I'm not tender and I think it's an active now because I've been offer so long online. I instagram a little because I have I have. It's called the fence stuff. INSTAGRAM under the name Angel that I get some dates on you know I told the story and Howard Stern. We ever talked about here. But I did on the APPS you know and I have been on the APPS ups and I and I got kicked off one of the ups for impersonating a famous person. Oh did you really. I talked about this on Howard Stern. Yeah I got kicked off and I had to the contact. They said you have to contact. It's email on. This is a true story. We've been told you guys this and I said the email I'm like. Why am I kick your impersonating Ross Matthews? I said why would I impersonate Ross. Uh If I'm going to pick any celebrity why would I pick Ross. I'm sorry but I'm not and I had to send a picture of my face with the date written on a piece of paper next to me and I sent it in and I said here now you know and they go we apologize. We'll take care of this right away. Kiss Kiss who. Isn't that amazing. That's a good story. Yeah that's a lot of fans you up those APPs yes And you just meted it out. Yeah it's weird it's weird you sort of weeded out. I haven't really met many people I met. I met one person and we. We have sort of been hanging out For a long time. You know it's been like this long things and then And then as who told you make good friends on their yes and it's I don't really go on all the time it. Sometimes that's that's the way the world works in twenty twenty. Sorry it just is a good friend told me that they said if you WANNA be a part of this part of the world for and I thought to myself. Why are you think you're so special you you can't be on these APPs? So what do you come on. Just go nuts so I don't really check them that much but I'm on an interesting cookie. I think you should dive in cookie. If I can do it. You can do it do it. But on the issue do unsolicited. Pitcher isn't style. Please just giggle where you live you. You should know around as you need to that and people say crazy stuff and I just go. Yeah I show my friend and then I took giggling about grinder to is that grinder. Rounder shows by the foot how are you are. I don't want people to know where you turn it off analysis. I don't even know where I am. Okay it's like five defeat up there like your neighbors like it'll say it'll be like your neighbor and so two hundred it's crazy. We'll get to put the lid on the cookie jar. You so much cookie. Why don't you think Laurie when we come back much? More straight talk. Hey Cookie. We're going to break. We'll be right back alavanos theft busy these days. WHO has time to iron well me? 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But some of them So I wrote lyrics mixed everything but some of these provided listen Kooky elephants we make everybody on the show here but you are very talented talented very talented. Do that. You create all the time. I can't stop. I like this. Like tunnel vision. I can't stop making dom top. What can I take in the first person that stoute's next single Tom? Thomas Gerard Gerard like an hour posted it like an hour later. Gerard listen to the whole thing. It was nothing but compliments it was so nice and then can you play a little bit of one more only because yes which. I'm glad for last because it loosely inspired by flaxseeds. tyrod story Lou mostly the second one. Let's go let's just this is. This is loosely inspired by the story when fags he went on a date with Tirosh and licked the pre come in office hand in the bathroom sleep inspired by different stories but they sort of combined. Okay let's go parentheses indices. We'll have Iran deal. Let's go to the bathroom well stranger. Well you called that. Well right to the point right to the uh-huh making money on those ads here. We go sized bikes especially as bikes feels very like two thousand nine got that big womanizer. Heiser that song womanizer. Britney you've got caught up in Deir come right over here. I'm not outgoing. Liking you talk cookie we like like the price but nobody can hold on. Listen again. Walk me through this lyric. I agree. What'd you see there? I don't remember it. Don't waste my time and talk. All I want is your. Oh yeah time and talk all I wanted to get shared. All I want is is your Oh and the hook right here and then this is the part where you say let's go. We'll have a rendezvous. Let's go to the bathroom in Iran. Cancer it yes cook those. How do wander songs dot com slash warning? And how do they find you on. Social Media at Cookie Olifants well and everything Japan. Because I'm so so so part of that music. I'm so proud of you honeywell right. Oh Oh i. Don't they give it to to be hard. Give it to you in all steep with facts. Baggy stretch. Oh you stretch. Aw Him so you know. I've been wanting to give back to the straight talkers because they were so kind to me with the fire. Donate to my go fund me and so what I WANNA do do. I don't know how to do it is I wanNA buy a VIP ticket for somebody that gets the book and read and everything. That's one hundred dollars but you get the book included and the show and a meet and greet and picture and I signed the book right but I don't know how to do it like I don't want to have people work for it. A joy have like a raffle. Like don't thank. You should say here's what you should say if you want it tweet me and then you sort of like right. Everyone's name down. You put him in thing and then you pull it out okay. Great easier the toward out. If you don't do all that work you you can say. Why should I buy city and then you could go based on you know heartstrings? Like why do they deserve. Why buy them that? 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Yeah and the and it was the first time running through the what I'm GonNa do on the tour and I thought okay I'll do it then I'll make edits it all worked. I'm not editing. Anything I was so happy with it was so much fun. Was it hard to structure it and then present it and then execute it like how did that how do you do. I mean he jokes on your friends like how do I practice them in my head. It really just went through it in my head like it was a song that I wrote and I just I like just kept hearing it and hearing it and hearing it and picturing it and what it would look like and then I got there and I got to do work on the lighting and I worked with Matthew on. What's what's behind me on the stage in my intro music and the intro package and and everything and then to do it for the first time and have it be exactly exactly ninety minutes? It was exactly the IT. Just all worked was so happy and proud in the first time I I said these jokes out loud I got the right there just worked and I've written so many new new material I mean it's on new. It's all new. It's brand new. Yeah there's a couple of jokes. I've done it brunches but branches I- workshop. Some of the jokes. It just all work. Well I love the visuals. I didn't expect that I didn't know you'd have a projected. We do the do the namedrop game. How did that go? Great great better than yes it. Just what I love about this show. Cj because doing thirty cities is that every show is going to be different. It is we're GONNA make different times. Cj I'm I was GONNA ask you. So how do you feel about leaving with Ross. Are you going to be gone the whole time with Ross. And how do you feel about your life and let me just say. Here's chunk is six weeks and then we have three weeks off and into more on the road nonstop six weeks on the road. I've done a short kind of international tour with somebody before We did American International. So yeah it was shorter than this but I'm I'm all for it like it's your. I loved the Hustle and bustle give me hustle and bustle embracing we may look Weakened to and go what the fuck have we done but we are really looking forward to it and and we're going to be really heavy on social throughout so follow me at. Hello Ross. We're going to be the whole time. Documenting what it's like to be onto her and it's GonNa be fun everything we're doing. I WANNA try food in every single place. Whoever is coming to namedrop wherever you are like philly cheese steaks we come in from philly cheese steaks? I want some Alabama Elevator Law Orleans. I want everything and can I just make this thing. I just going to be really frank with the audience here. How books are sold and how this all works? Because I'm a consumer who I'm like. 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WHO's coming to all those shows and I would love to have people up with for happy hour before or after or if you only if you don't have anyone to go with go you'll have friends ends like Organiz roll calls and group go go? You know what I'm saying. Yeah don't be afraid of friends together with everyone when I when I did it it just felt like every we talk about shutting the door on the outside world yeah right and just smiling for an hour and a half and what that can do for your soul. It's it's really truly why I'm doing. It is because I've just received so much from all the viewers and all the listeners. All these people are really tour even though I can't do it for free but this tour is really about I'm trying to create a space for everybody just feels so nice and this show in Washington. You raised what forty thousand or forty over forty thousand dollars which is is amazing and then like your audience. How did that feel like was your mom there and my mom was there my brother and so many people? I didn't even know people worked. My friends were taking me on facebook around the audience. I mean this is the stage where I was in my first production of the Hobbit of course and I I I made the joke at this stage where the hobby back in one thousand nine hundred. which was the first time that I was snubbed? For a Tony and there I was again doing this. Show you know. And then and is fhu com. Yeah teachers might elements you. School principal was there I'll win in this. I I went to this guy and I could go on the audience at one point and he stood up and right away and who was I was like Oh shit. And he said I have to ask you something and the whole town knew he was he was my the teacher from Elementary School Mr Nelson and he goes in your first book man. You describe your pe teacher a real hotty who was a mixture between he-man Barbie's boyfriend. Ken and it was him right and he goes now. What exactly was so sexy about this teacher? That turned you on. I was like it was him. AM asking from high school in front of four hundred people. Turn some some girl and I go am I right now did I di- I walked away. I go Mr Nelson. Listen I gotTa tell you. You're still a hot piece again. It it was so old it was so fun and filthy and you know we swear. Swear the show and I love IT I. I'm just so excited for people to see it. Soaks have people read the book. I can't say okay well so email me or tweet me instagram me about getting free. VIP ticket and then later. I'm going to do. I'll do six months of somebody's kisses club. Oh my God is the year of moving back back and I'm back into good. I loved so well done. Well done well done. I was wondering cookie to do the idea. We're cookie do the financial report that idea for. Yeah we're in. It's called cookie dough and he talks about the the Nasdaq and the Dow Jones and everything. But there's no funny. 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State v. Keith Davis, Jr. - Episode 1 - Sunday Morning

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State v. Keith Davis, Jr. - Episode 1 - Sunday Morning

"Davis was recovered from that fire. So that puts him in possession of that firearm that firearms ballistic matched to the evidence at the scene of the murder put, and I mean, the other case where people from the left as opposed to the right or sort of critical as the Davis case and his defense that they shot him, and then planted the gun on him seemed farfetched back two years ago in the case, I started being tried. But after the revelations that they were coaching people to plan a gun on someone if you shot the wrong person has that changed its going ahead again, I guess and right before the election does that I can say about keep Davis, and I'm not going to get too far into the murder trial because again, it's still pending. But the case that is already closed is that it was a matter of his. He wish tried in front of his peers a jury of his peers and a jury of his peers determined that he was a felon in possession of a handgun that gun was tied to what is now impending murder case. So I understand, you know, Kelly is his fiancee, and she's not happy with me. But my job as state's attorney is to ensure Justice for Kevin Jones. Right. It's not about Keith Davis for me. It's about Kevin Jones that was the victim of the homicide recruitment on even make a good bond. Order. Road. There. You'll see. Of if he had gone. Hurson session of the farm. That. They didn't have any reason the shooting will police officers start shooting. Everyone else affects you you. Don't know if it's Lou over called, reg fire, and when you look at the facts as they unfolded in keeps case that I believe it was contained higher. In places. City this guy. He's living everyday with his innocence. Keith Davis is Freddie, gray. If he had lived. On Sunday, June seventh two thousand fifteen just before ten o'clock in the morning. Kief Davis junior became the first person shot by Baltimore police since the death of Freddie, gray, April twelfth the day, Freddie, spine was broken in police custody that was a Sunday to like, Freddie, gray. Kief Davis junior was born and raised in Baltimore. But in the county seven miles southwest of the city in a town called cadence Ville, like, Freddie, gray. Keep Davis junior has his father's name, but becoming a man he had to do that on his own like pretty gray. Kief Davis junior was a black man who ran with police in pursuit. Freddy got caught kief got cornered and neither has ever come home. But unlike Freddie, gray he status junior survived his encounter with police and he's been fighting for his freedom ever since not only Keith Davis junior victim of the Baltimore police departments per tally. But like odd on Sayid. He's one of the many they have wrongfully. Fused on July twelfth two thousand nineteen kief. Davis junior will begin his fifth trial on charges stemming from the events of June, seventh two thousand fifteen yes. Fifth more on that coming up. Hi and welcome to undisclosed. We are excited to be back. And we are very excited to start off. What will be the rest of this year with a very special series? That has been in the works for about six months now today, you're going to hear the first of four episodes about the state versus Keith Davis. This is the first time undisclosed will cover a case before a person has perhaps been wrongfully convicted. And maybe it'll even have an impact on that proceeding. Our investigator for this case is Amelia, McDonald Perry. Now, you might remember Amelia because she was one of the lead investigators and reporters for our series on the Freddie gray case, we are so happy to partner with her again. And we are certain you will be as riveted with this case as we have been. 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And I'm a freelance reporter who you may remember as one of the hosts of undisclosed the killing of Freddie, gray over the next four episodes all be catching you up on all the facts evidence and testimony that's been presented in the case against Keith Davis junior so far then I'll be back in late July for two more episodes that will break down the details of keeps fifth and hopefully final trial, and I won't be doing it alone. He's case is captured the attention of reporters activists attorneys, many of them local to Baltimore their observations of eight and my own understanding of this case, and I'm excited to share their accounts with you every Thursday. Join Robbie a- Susan are calling on the addendum to discuss that week Sepah sewed answer reader questions and learn even more about Keith's case with the help of some special guests. Lastly undisclosed doing something very cool this season that I'm very proud to be part of a few weeks ago attorneys from the institute for constitutional advocacy and protection at the Georgetown University Law Center. Acting on our behalf alerted the circuit court of Baltimore City of our intent to use audio from Keith Davis juniors prior criminal proceedings on the podcast doing. So we'll be in violation of rule. One dash two zero one of the Maryland code of criminal procedure, which prohibits broadcasting any criminal matter, including a trial hearing motion or argument that is held in trial court. We believe we have a right to use these lawfully obtained recordings under the first amendment of the constitution, and it would be unlawful for the court to enforce rule. One dash two zero one by imposing any civil or criminal contempt. Sanctions. On Sunday, June seventh two thousand fifteen Kelly. Davis was still Kelly Halsey and keeps Davis junior. Was her boyfriend of the last several months when the phone rang nine fifty seven AM Kelly was awake. But still in bed at her home in randallstown in Baltimore County. She and Keith had been texting talking on the phone till the early hours of the morning as sometimes do on nights when they weren't together. The phone kief was screaming Bailey. Die. He said appealingly. Excellent him. You know, what do you mean? He said, they showed me the shot me in my arm. I can hear him yelling. Being wine trying to kill me and hit like, a constant. Him. We're. We are going weenie shock you. He's constantly yelling. Maybe. Gonna die. I heard fear skimmed screaming. Us crime. Hughes. I heard it was lack his siren that popping, and then contracts, I call him over and over and over again, I kept texting kept calling. And. Make himself. I found out. He was shot in the face. And he was in. Kate Kelly kept dialing Keith back, but he wasn't picking up and she's starting to panic. Kelly new Keith had been park heights in the northwest part of the city since the day before on Saturday, Keith what with Kelly stepbrother Dewan to a neighborhood cook out, and then hung out with him at his house. The rest of the night since one was on ankle monitor one of the things that people don't know that Dewan was the bunks reversed. So the night that he reason why keep with bear. What is on the by TBS? Okay. Leave office that seven and we always make jokes. Like, you know, what you've been down there. It's still like an ankle thing the ankle. And if he went. I found that he had to be back back in that Cindy at seven and keep as the only one of the friends. Would stay with him many nights when she couldn't get through to Keith Kelly called Dewan Kelly keep just playing with you. But Kelly new Keith wouldn't play like that Kelly called wanna next now technically want is in Kelly's on or Kice for that matter. That's just what everyone wonders kids. Call her Wanda's daughter, Erika is Kelly sister. They shared at Dewan is Wanda son from another relationship. So he and Kelly aren't related by blood at all, but inside Wanda's house. Everyone is family including Keith he doin' had been friends for years and Wanda loved him like one of our own. Kief didn't grow up in park heights. Like Wanda's kids. He was born and raised in Caitlyn's fill in Baltimore County. But when his mom kicked him out at age sixteen that's where he ended up heath didn't live in park heights anymore, but he'd been coming back to the neighborhood. And at one is house since the spring ever since two one was released from prison. So did Kelly which is how she and Keith I met my house was like we have. That's why it's probably I haven't. And forever. But it probably is and my stepbrother came home after joining like a five year. So he comes home. And of course, that brings the so there's pictures everywhere and everybody's having him. It was just like a fun time and one particular day, I had a math exam sows in school for counseling and mental health. And I miss my damn, and I need to take it. And so I watch my kids which she she watches every kids. I remember letting them up the car and like I'm running late, which I do remember keeping report. But there were so many people. Hill to- people like I saw like like who is that again. And they're like, you know, this Irqah sister. My brother friends always like hit on us and keep doing the same. Anyway. Ako frame. And you know, like everybody was laugh, and I would never pay any of them any mind, and he was very cool and very Liebeck. Like, it's chaos everywhere. And he's just kind of guy. He's really quiet and everybody else did the most attention. So I noticed them, and then I hit actually. Keep, you know, keep they were like, you know, keep this brother, and I was like. Truly is my little brother, and I was like. Was like I was there. It was just like, but I kinda AM so. And key which is really like different than everybody else. Everybody else. Shoe booty the aura in and he was very low keys cute play with the kids, and we just kind of with talk all the time. One day, this one particular day and other day where I read reports and the guys all like Kelly wishy member give me a number work and keep acts like, you know. I was like, oh, I'm going to be rolling. I'm going. I'm going home. He was like riding my sister. And I never get myself subsidy. Keep us move everybody else you shot and you like I'm going to get blast comes. That night. I got his sister's house, and I got there. Maybe ten we stayed in the car to four just talking. According to Wanda who was still in bed. Keith was still sleep on the couch downstairs Kelly told her about the phone call about the popping sound and the sirens and Keith was crying and said he'd been shot wonder went down the hall and peak downstairs, confirm first self. Sure enough Keith wasn't there. back in two thousand fifteen Davis junior wasn't actually living in Baltimore at all. He moved in with a relative in Columbia about halfway to Washington DC in the spring. He'd started working fulltime for a company and health or about five miles from where he grew up when Keith testified at his second trial and may two thousand seventeen his attorney Latorre Francis. Williams asked him to describe his job. So in June of two thousand fifteen twenty three were you employed back in June of two thousand fifteen. Where were you working? He's full solution and in what capacity what did you do business solutions? Cobra. What does that mean? Basically prepared food. Put it in containers. All put it in whatever needs to be put it rented initials right at the ship facility itself. Does it says food to you know, people's homes schools says food? How long had you been doing that? Okay. Did you enjoy your job? Yeah. It was good. Keith was twenty three years old. He was working fulltime and he had money legit money in the Bank. He was also staying trouble. And in December his probation would be up since turning eighteen he had been arrested fourteen times. But in the last year he hadn't been locked up at all. And the last time he got arrested in may two thousand fourteen it was something he had nothing to do with. So prosecutors dropped the charges ever since he was paroled in February two thousand fourteen after serving several years at SEI Cumberland one of the toughest medium security, prisons in the state Keith kept his nose clean and his head on straight. He was on a different path. The morning of Sunday June seventh keep Davis junior left out want his house at around nine AM. And so did not one is husband, Mr. Marc who was heading to work Keith was going over to see Kelly a little later that morning, but according to his testimony at a second trial, he decided to walk over to his family's bail-bond business down on rice or town road. I here's Keith describing the route that he and Mr. Mark took how did you get to rest of what's did you? Take we took women and you turn up a role Cup. You make a right day. Kind of quicken engines going because woodland in rice town, you would like St. issue. Take to get you. So he. Tunnel. Manchester is like a little area tunnel. You come up the and we came on open. Around. This is where I used to live at loosely inspired. So we walk through and can't handle. And what did you make a right or left onto rested made? He made the right over rice from over to the come appoint time when you cross over Belvedere immerses town road. Okay. And worth anywhere. Did you go from there? Woken towards the mound on it wasn't opiate over around tennis. So I want to the corn stole racist town. Marshall call but it's next to. Early. After crossing Belvedere. Mr. Mark continued on his way to work, but Keith stopped by a pack of cigarettes at a cornerstone rice or town, the bumps up against an alley that runs behind Belvedere the bail bonds place wasn't open yet. So Keith wasn't in rush. Sunday was his day off. It was approximately nine forty five. Am here's how kief Davis junior described? What happened next? You testified that you came up to a cornerstone. What if anything did you do there? Boy erupts around say. Did you have anyone or any cars in that area? At that time. At a time when I went into sore. No, it was it worth people around. People always by special is. No, MR he kept going up, and what if anything unusual happened while you a corner store? Store came out. Well, I always say wrestle my then on the pay. Smoke cigarette. Spall? It was somebody in a somebody with a gun. I heard some ice eight gun. Somebody in what? What if anything did you do when you heard gun? When we are done. Everybody arrived from in front of the stool what direction did you run across the street? And why? Why did you run across the street and not towards the gun found or the person gun wouldn't be smart? What if anything do what do you do when you went across the street? Around my into ROY open run into a road. Did you know who's garage? It was did, you know, if it was open at the time any in operation at time. Why did you run into the garage? The door was open, and it was running around with a gun. And what if anything did you hear anything at all when you read into that garage? When around and take a row. At a time. No. Bye. Say needed the answers, really? Upon hearing the shots being fired. You see anything unusual at that time when? When. Did you go behind a refrigerator? I'm not sure if it was a fit radio what was but it was a lot of stuff in a road. Did you go behind whatever that stuff was? And why did you do that? I was in my face. Too much at that Shama fees. I'm my own pockets. Drake. I think I must have been in and out. Under remember, like cutting pool of what if anything were you feeling at that time. I don't think we should separate a conversation about Freddie, gray from a conversation about keep Davis junior. I wish personally that the Keith Davis junior case received as much national media attention as what happened with Freddie, gray. Because in some ways, it says even more about the system in Baltimore the relationship between the state attorney's office in the police department. In June, two thousand fifteen Baltimore was still reeling. Not just from Freddie, Gray's death. But the community uprising followed for two weeks. Baltimore's powers that be lost control the city to community outraged by the death of one of their own the governor sent in the national guard a week long citywide curfew took effect and more than five hundred people were arrested on your palm pill who you heard a few moments ago reported on the uprising RT America. And she remembers the unrelenting since of urgency on the streets during that time things had really reached its culmination in the streets. People were so upset they the people both for made it clear they weren't going to rest, and they weren't going to let the city rest until someone took charge and demonstrated. There was some interest within the city establishment in finding Justice referred to great the turning point came on may first thousand fifteen when Baltimore state's attorney Marilyn Moesby made a career defining announcement standing in front of reporters on the steps of. Hall most declared that are office had filed criminal charges against six Baltimore police department officers for their involvement in Freddie, Gray's death. So the people of votes more and the demonstrators are processed America. I heard your call for no Justice. No peace. Your peace is sincerely needed. As I want to deliver Justice on behalf of this young man to those that are angry hurt or have their own experiences of injustice at the hands of police officers. I urge you to channel the energy peacefully as we prosecute this case. I've heard your calls for no Justice. No peace. However, your peace is sincerely needed as I worked deliver Justice on behalf of Freddie, gray. So the rank and file off most got the peace. She asked for within a matter of days. The protests were over the TV cameras went home and people try to get on with their lives with a sense of cautious optimism, here's Anya parm. Pentagon. I remember how. How quickly things changed in Baltimore after Maryland Moesby state attorney Marilyn Moseley announced. She was charging the officers responsible or involved in the death of Freddie, gray when MOS became out in announced those charges, it put all of that unrest to bed things. Got quiet and the media kind of celebrated the Freddie gray incident as a happier store, a more positive outcome than other high profile police killings that had happened around the country at that time because the state attorney's office actually opted to charge the officers. However, that's when people stopped paying attention. And for me that's a shame or in my eyes. That's a shame. Because what happens just shortly afterwards with heath says a lot more about Tate attorney, Maryland. Does the house you really sees her job? Most was launched onto the national stage and Brandon progressive hero and a rising star in the Democratic Party. But most we never actually delivered Justice for, Freddie, gray, at least in the form of a successful prosecution by the summer of two thousand sixteen four of the charged officers had stood trial for Freddie's death. But none had been convicted. And then suddenly a little over a year after that dramatic press conference in front of city hall. Most be dropped the rest of the charges. It's not hard to understand. Why the case presented in court was deeply flawed from the jump based largely on the police department. Use of force investigation meant to hide the truth rather than bring it to light. But what they did to keep Davis junior was somehow so much worse. Bigger outta repair. Located at fifty two to Eleanor avenue wasn't actually open for business that Sunday, June two thousand fifteen Herbert bigger Berkeley, the shop's owner, he was a church and return to find the block coordoned-off by crime scene tape in an interview with city paper reporter at Ericsson the following week bigger guests that the police had fired off at least twenty rounds pointing out bullet holes in the walls toolboxes and refrigerator at the back of the garage. They shot through the refrigerator and hit him in the face bigger told Eric about two bullet holes one on the left side one to the freezer door a few inches below the hole in the freezer was a large smeared bloodstain. bigger had some morning at least although the garage was closed. It wasn't empty son Bernard Berkeley and son's fiance's Martina Washington. They were inside cleaning and they'd left the large bay door wide open when Keith Davis came running in. They went running out and within those first few seconds. The first shots rang out who actually fired them. It's a matter of debate. What is certain is this Keith Davis junior was shot three times on the right side of his body. The first bullet hit him and his right bicep. And at some point though, he doesn't recall when he sustained degrees wound to the middle right side of his back. The most serious one was the bullet that pierced his right cheek. The trajectory was at a downward angle and came up the right side of his neck leaving fragments behind. Kelly Belushi was on the phone with Keith at the moment that shot mate impact. Also that you heard right before the phone dropped from dropped. And you're on the phone with you hurt specially loud right before the big pump. And I believe through sheds. Yeah. Because when Keith explains it he says he's stepped up to him and tried to shoot his face off. And actually a medical expert that we talked to he liked pitcher. And he was saying that the trajectory of if consistent with Keith e off guard because their story we shot for jury and it hit. So he was saying that the trajectory of the bullet is is not consistent with them saying that keep was staying pointing gonna that's the case in the the and went up hitting died. The booze consistent with Keith maybe tar like this and turning away in the trajectory of the bullet went in around. And that's how it came. They're saying they didn't know they're saying that once he was like, okay. I give up I surrender. I'm gonna come out. And he crawled out is when they were like, oh he shot in the face. The refrigerator had blood. It's going down. There's no blood row. There's this kind of there's no blood on the top of the fridge. There's no blood dripping down on the top of the fridge. It is in the center of the frigerator. Would it looks like to me that they shot him? And maybe he hits went down. Medics were called at nine fifty nine. But when they arrived at ten six officers on scene wouldn't allow them to drive the ambulance onto Ellinora park in front of the garage. They apparently were already very concerned about the crime scene. There wasn't lady. She was Caribbean is dead tour. She said that it sound like a war zone like bay. And she said that they were just up there doing whatever. And she does not know what he did to let them know alive. But they have been just stagnant for a while. And then all of a sudden England's in quantum out here. And she knew he was alive because of the way they reacted like people ran down and everything like that. It would not let the paramedic bring the truck to the garage thing. They made him we'll the gurney because they said they did not want to disrupt the crime scene. How the hell did you have crime scene crime scene technician didn't get there? Two hours later. They put out cones and markers and everything. Why would you do that? So and that's been testified to that's the type of thing. It's testified in court, and you're like, nobody. After the ambulance departed for Sinai hospital homicide, major Stanley Branford and the media relations unit were notified of the incident. The two civilian witnesses Martina Washington Bernard Berkeley, they had already been ushered down the street away from the garage at ten thirty. They were transported down to headquarters to give statements. At that point the only people on scene patrol officers. The majority of them assigned to northwestern district located block and a half away on rice your town road. And in a matter of hours, many of them would be identified as either witnesses or involved in the shooting. Keith Davis junior. But they wouldn't be alone for long at ten forty. A m the force investigation team was notified of police involved shooting on the fifty two hundred block of Eleanor avenue and soon detective Michael Boyd was on his way. if Davis junior had no idea why the police had chased him that morning, but he would soon. Learn their side of the story a week after he was shot Keith was discharged, the hospital taken into police custody where he was arrested and charged on seventeen counts, including attempted armed robbery assault and discharge of a handgun next time. Undisclosed. Thank you to everyone who helps undisclosed possible every week Robbie Susan and Colin thank you for having me back to tell the story. Thank you audio producer, Rebecca avoi-, an executive producer towel Han. And for your hard work and for keeping me on schedule. Thinks you all undisclosed sponsors. And of course, all the listeners keep coming back week after week, please make sure to follow us on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook or handle is at undisclosed pod. And don't forget to subscribe to the show on itunes and rate us shout out to everyone on team key for all that you do. Most of all thank you Kelly Davis. It has been a privilege to get to know you to get to know key through you. And lastly my humble thanks to Keith Davis junior for your trust.

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86: The Haunted Doll Market and 420 Zodiac

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86: The Haunted Doll Market and 420 Zodiac

"Hey, everybody, it's comedian, Lisa lamp in alley, and I'm here to tell you that I'm not only the biggest fan of and that's why we drink. I'm also going to be performing in a city near you come see me Saturday, November third in Fairfield, Connecticut, for two shows for tickets. Go to lease lamp and l. e. dot com. And now here's our favorite show, and that's why we drew. Thank and seen. Welcome to the preamble of in. That's what we drink. Post preamble post pre Campbell, the amble. If you will of episode eighty six. We've been on a roll tonight. We've been preempting over the place. We have my like that a law, we have. Sambol. Let's amble. How are you? Christine? I have so many things until being all weird today. I was being weird. Will you bring in apologize in the event that I might be weird? Yeah, which is in and of itself is a little weird and then there's the whole, like I'll tell you on the show which always makes me a little nervous. I've got a lot of things. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Mike, take it away. I say to myself. Sneed a little encouragement, an ample you're doing here. So what would you like to hear? I s stranger I met with a skull story. Oh, God, Deirdre update Bowman or a personal update. Definitely not a personal date. Thanks. Let's let's go in that order. Yeah, let's go now to order. So there's a guy that I met at work. His name was Mark and he's like, I guess a prop master. But he said something to someone in the office about being involved with like ghosts and haunted. So and everyone in my company knows that I'm less, you'll go to guy on that. And so they're like, oh, you have to go talk to him. So I mean, this guy, he gives me his card by the way and he asked us to reach out to him if we're ever interested. And I think you will on the cartilage pas. I'm gonna call him right now. It's a ouija card. It's literally, we warn prop Nassar Mark. Mine's lot name just Mark proper Mr. Mark. So apparently him and his wife are incredible sensitives and go to several classic haunted places and have sessions with spirits and have only shit to a point where like like the spirits will like personnel them, like they will take over their bodies and talk to them as our. It's very odd. One of the stories that he told me was of a skull that he has where he had a friend that was part of a native tribe and his tribe like wanted to get rid of this thing. Let us not a good sign. It's not, but he took it anyway course he did and it's lots human skull that they would use to. Apparently they broke part of the jaw of the skull, and you would whoever's responsible or owns the skull. If you write something like write a wish you can roll it up on a piece of paper and stuff in one of the cracks of the skull. And so it's. The skull, the head is thinking about it, and it will always come true, but it used to be used a lot mainly for curses. Good. So you can Kerr someone, but if something ever happens where you're in that same situation as the person, you know, like it comes back threefold on you. So it's like. More interesting version of karma. Yeah, it's like a voodoo skull. Cool. That's actually, anyway. He took it from his friend. Healy is responsible for it. He has never put any curses or anything. He's hasn't done anything that he just has it. News, but he has locked it away and he apparently was creepy curse where like a tribe like, do not want it anymore. But so that story, let us into talking more about his wife who is a sensitive who apparently wants us to reach out her and God. This is like, I feel like everything's been leading up to this to like, I need you to reach out to me. He couldn't remember name, but he did say she works closely with those guys on that ghost. TV show. Don't do this to me. I swear to God. And then he said, if you're ever interested, I'm sure we could set something up every poured my body is sweating. Here's the thing also real quick. Can I do a little interjection? Yeah, we know that Zach Baggins pronounce his name differently and I will not fix it. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah, I do it on purpose. I love Zak bagel bites, and it's no one's fault, but mine. People are like, you're pronouncing it wrong. I'm like, oh, I know, because it's like the way people keep telling me to watch that one home we movie, what is it? What? Hocus pocus and I won't do it because the more people tell me to do it, the less I want to do it. I'm just a child. So you can't tell me to do something 'cause I won't do it anyway. It's Baggins. Zach, Zach, bagel bites. And so I don't even know if that's the right show, but he said, oh, there's that show with those guys that do go s- things and she's good friends with them. I was like, oh, that's cool. In my mind. Guys do that show. But so anyway, he said that they went to the Queen Mary one time, my favorite and half hatch Henry. Remember we talked about him. Yes, where he got locked in. Yeah, apparently they went on a tour and the guy was telling the tour of what happened. Apparently, half cherry came through boy through the wife and got very irritated. Oh boy, it was like, this is insulting. That's not how it happened. That's not the story. My, that's not my name every all of these facts got let out. And apparently now because of that experience, the tour actually has changed their tour where they use his actual name or they don't use his name anymore. They use it for a little bit. And then I guess for some reason, they don't do it anymore, but they know his actual name now something like John Patterson. It was something very like, right, like half hatch Henry's a cooler name, I think. But so they will tell the story that they originally told and and said, we recently found out that that's not true. You and this real repeat after that cert- happening. Apparently, her husband then became a vessel of sorts that hatch Henry came through and apparently hugged his wife, hugged the wife and a very weird way where she knew it wasn't. Her husband was talking her rose and said, thank you so much for telling everyone. So apparently. So that's, that's that on that contact him if you would like, I mean, let's call them right now. We can have him on the show. Okay. So there's that next is the Deirdre story update very quick. I loved your updates. So last we were at chief ounded decomposition body stain. I don't a hundred bed that or move on from like, well, she's moved out of the house sense. Okay. Supposedly like she's not near that room. She left on a high with that decomposition. Yeah, she left on a high with her security deposit. Yeah, up so. And so she was recently in the city and so she was about to get an Uber and when she got in the car that Uber drivers said, so what's the weirdest Uber driver experience you've ever had? And she said something and he was like, well, I'm about to top it and then said, so I'm very sensitive and I can see things when you're walking over to my car. There was a massive shadow purse. Okay. Okay. All right. Okay. What stop and then what the fuck. And then he said like he was trying to get in the car with you and your is he here with us now? And he said, no, because my car is blessed. What which my car isn't blessed? Like what the hell am I not bless our cars. Anyway, that defying hold on. So it's still with her apparent or something's with. I'm just gonna. Can you imagine that what if that guy is just like, what's the weirdest thing you? Well, I'm going to top it. Here's a terribly did experience altogether and Nashville, and that's right. One woman was like, what's the weirdest Uber experience? Well, let's play a game where Christine exactly what happened. Touch my. The weirdest over and you know what? Everyone one that day. Anything. She's like, take this piece of paper and do what it says we were like, are we gonna die? Does it tell me that I have to jump off a cliff or something you just have to do. It's okay. So that's up to three is I'm talking about personally, the reason I drink this week, how me is because as of yesterday, I do not have power in my home, what Alison came home. It was like, there is no power. What was that sound like a cow sound like a man crying. So only Dwight end up, yes goal where he sounded like coolish Dwight. That was very weird. Do that's the exact noise. Okay. Anyway, moving on. So we don't have any power. And so I got back and I looked at the account and our account online and usually automatic pay. So I never even think to pay the Bill because it always gets paid. I just check it every month. Yeah, and it said that there was money in the account like there was a charge. Yeah. And so I was like, okay, apparently, like the automatic payments thing went off and so I've maybe like didn't pay my Bill or something. So I went to go make a payment. And now for some reason, my account is an eligible to like all of a sudden. It won't take my credit card information and so I had to call them this morning last night. We like went to Starbucks like that's how. Stunned like, I don't know what we're gonna do. So the power went out and I couldn't do anything because by the time I got home, the power company was closed. I couldn't call them. So this morning I called them and I was like, what's going on? Apparently the automatic payment thing went off. So the company thought that I didn't pay my bills. They showed up by power. And then earlier today when I was talking to them, I said, like, okay, well, I will pay over the phone reopened. My account, please like give us power and they said, okay, we'll, it will cost eighty dollars. If you want us to have the power setup again, like same day like you can have power by six o'clock tonight you'll have and I was like, yeah, I don't care get pay the eighty bucks. And so called me while I was on the way here and she said they're still no power. So now it's two nights with no power. Anna Las eighty bucks what the fuck to call them again tomorrow. But currently there's like no power. I was like, okay, we'll Mike at least like to entertain yourself, go to Starbucks and watch a movie on your computer something until you like time to go. Go to bed and I have her computer charter in her computers, dead wolf. So she can't. Yeah. Oh, Alison is currently at Starbucks charging her phone and sorry that it happened again. It got closer of God. I don't like this is weird. Upset already, basically, no power, those those are all three of my God. I've already talked for ten minutes. I'm so sorry. I saw your post about no power, and I thought it was because I saw like I got a text yesterday being like some power outages throughout. Really, I assume that's what it was. Nope, didn't pay my Bill. Well, I don't have too much to say, but I do want to let you guys know that we, we are aware that post Malone touch the box. Yes, please that we know we're very happy l. telling us, but I just want you to know like do not fret because we know and we are equally horrified. Yes. I remember when I touched it few months ago and there was like a little bit of a new thing, but now it's become like a TMZ since. Asian, right. So postpone thoughts and prayers are nothing to do with it. I'm just surrounding myself with thoughts and prayers. That's nothing. Hopefully nothing will happen to me. Also, are we have a Boston show on February first that we recently announced this week literally today as a recording. We released tickets six hours ago and it's already sold out. So thank you boss. Yeah, thank you guys, though. Shocking we were at the website. Crashed. People had to call the poor venue and works there. The woman who works are Meghan, Meghan, Meghan. She's a fan of ours and had posted when we first released tickets like the, she works at the venue and she was like, I'm so excited. You are coming a big fan and then of course, the website crash. So she was like on there like handling every hosting apology or something she posted like I've, I'm the one who's been on the phone with all of you on. Sorry, website isn't used to this much traffic and people were calling her and everyone kept commenting on ourselves saying we had to call to buy tickets, but the woman who worked there was so nice and she's a fan, so thank you Meghan for like handling. Thanks, Meghan. Thanks Meghan a lot. And we can't wait to meet you and everybody else who's coming. A Boston. We cannot wait February first. So yeah, that happened. And then we were planning on announcing it for the show when the this one that really Sunday and it's already sold out. So I'm like. Thanks guys, but also like I guess, follow on social media because it seems like things are going fast. So if you wanna write grab tickets, don't wait for us to release it on the show. Yeah, that's all I got. Well, as of if you're listening to this on the day that it comes out, we have a Facebook live for the patron listeners at three PM Pacific standard time if you want to hop on and ask him some questions and hang out with us for an hour. Also later that night tonight as you're listening to this, we are having a live show at the Hollywood improv lorry are so sold out. Yep, that's right. And our and that's why he draws up and can't we suppose those and post alone post Malone. Those also we still have tickets available for the Phillies show. Yes, on November. Seventh, I think that's the show that we have that's not sold out right now. 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I'm sorry to people who don't like me talking forever. Listen, nobody complains about the long ones. We just complain about the long ones. 'cause okay, but you're not. Gonna complain. Wait, hang on also even complaints. 'cause she has to sit through it and we have poor abra and edited. Even if you complain, you're fired. So too late to. Okay. I'm so excited about the story. I'm so excited about the story even though I didn't have any power. I was up all night like until like doing the morning doing so excited about my story today, and I've been more Anthony. I have an alum time, so I feel like it's going to be a wild trapping. I don't know what's going on mercury in retrograde. No, it's not. Oh shady. That's why maybe that's good. Things are happening. We're back to normal. This is the exact opposite of like me trying to give a book report last minute, like I, I, I've never done this much research on any stories side chat. The old days I I've never worked so hard on. I know I'm like, is this Woodley good students feel like all the time, like just really proud of the organ mean? I'm I'm like, super stoked. I'm very excited now. This is also probably the story that has the most too much documentation. Do I know about it? I don't know. That's like get so amped. Okay, but is it okay? Okay. Okay. It is a doll. Okay. Okay. I know you like your dolls, ish. Okay. It's like them. I hear you're saying yes, but I like like you like you don't like them, but you like them like them. Got it. Okay. It's herald, the dull. I have never heard of this. What this one gets me going. I'm so excited herald. We got to Robertson here gettin jealous. Let's say as I was finishing this story up here by myself, that bang you heard was stop it. I'm not kidding. Stop. Are you serious? I'm not kidding. So there was a bang that Christine and Eva her downstairs fucking thing and what they didn't hear was afterwards. I screamed Christine's name several times. No, I didn't hear that. Nobody came upstairs to make sure I heard it. I was doing my notes and I okay. I literally started feeling ill doing these notes. I walked into the bathroom thinking I was going to get sick. And when I came back into the room and I was facing this wall, there's an oil canvas painting of geo. Save left her for later, literally watched it rise off of the nail. It sitting on end dropped to the ground. And that's the bang you heard downstairs lease. Sorry if I watched it lift off the nail. That's like ten feet in the air to like ten feet off the ground to and it's still sitting right there. It's still pick it up. I was kinda mad at you. Wanna touch. I don't blame you evoke. Can you pay hang that backup? And I screamed for help, and you never get. That's that happened right when I was about to finish my notes and I was like, and I remember thinking like, okay, nothing's happened to me during all of studying the story. I swear to as I thought to my house and decided to finish it up here. Okay. Before I went downstairs, I literally held the holy water and said the Lord's per Jessica. Thank God. We're in the clear. Thank God. Okay. I'm sorry. That was quite a. I'm like very scared now. Okay, good. It's a great deal such for the rest of this race start. I'm actually glad you didn't hang back up because if I see it fly off the wall, I'm not gonna. Handle it. Okay. So there's a happy ending to this. I will tell everyone now and this one should not make you feel ill. I don't know what happened to me. I don't know why, because you were so heavily researching, like I acted to the store? Yes. So this, what? I'm not going to give a warning to like the other one. Right. Okay. So and this is a long one, but I tried to get it down. There's just too much information. I'm ready. So here is herald the doll. It starts over sixty years ago when it was owned by a man who bought it for his son, and then his son mysteriously died, oh, good. Start good. Starting after the son died, they kept obviously the doll for like sixty years. And during that time watched the doll laugh, sing and dance on its own when it is a dollar is not supposed to do any of those. That's took it to a priest. The pre said it was possessed and told them to burn it. That's. That's. Get out of my way, but it and it would not burn what the dull did not burn. And you know, that was some like seventies plastic. It was made of should have burned like crazy. So basically the guy was with ended didn't know what to do. So he just sold it at a flea market. Good and ever since has been passed from person to person who has experienced huntings oh God. Eventually it got passed down to a guy named Greg that was at around in around two thousand three. Also this the dog, this doll not only does it laughing, cry, apparently also talks smiles blinks I don't know what's the creepiest one of those. Also, if you're if you're talking and it doesn't like you talking, it will start to smile and apparently people have witnessed its mouth moving as if it's mocking you talking. Oh, God. That's so fucked. It will also side I, which I love. Oh, so it's like an emoji. Yeah, it's like Meghan. But as a doll, you Meghan, not the Boston, Meghan know just every other Vinci seventh-grader so yeah. Okay. So the main owner that I'm going to talk about his name is Anthony, but I'm just going to explain how Anthony got the door. So the guy's flea market. It got passed around eventually ended up with this guy named Greg and Greg tried to sell it on EBay. He never experienced anything haunted about it, and he thought it was a joke. And so two thousand three, he put it up for EBay, and he said in the description that it was a haunted dogs. He thought that that would like it's price. I usually works. Basically, he said that the dolls name was herald because there was some video at some point of this doll, you could see like the mouth kind of move, and someone heard the word herald. Palmas of it, said the word herald. It was just like some rumor that he ended up making up. He admitted later that he made up. Oh, okay. So he just pulled herald out of his. And so. So the the dolls name ended up sticking. He told the winning bidder to her face after she bought it like I was kidding. This was not haunted, and she didn't care. She didn't care because she wanted to take that story and ride with it. And then after like three or four months of it, staying in her house, she wanted to flip it for profit. Sure. And then say like I stayed with the stall for three or four hundred market. I mean, it's one that we are actively involved in. That's true unwillingly to be fair, but yes. So although Greg said it wasn't haunted, strange things start happening almost immediately once Kathy the bitter got the doll, okay, so she was pretty scared and she decided that she was going to hide the doll in a closet and a year later in two thousand four, she put the doll back on EBay and didn't say it was haunted, but it was truly cursed. Great. Anthony, the guy that ended up keeping it handed up winning the doll for seven hundred and fifty dollars. Oh my God, which he did not want to do he. It was originally a much lower price, and then some guy tried to outbid him and then personally message him saying, you can just stop trying. It's my doll, like just being a dick. And so for the sake of competition, I guess he kept for God's sake because the guy said, I'm going to outbid you no matter what this guy was like, oh, I'm just going to bid seven hundred bucks and then make you spend that much money to win the doll. And that guy back down actually didn't buy the delta. So we spent it for ten fifty and that guy was Kathy's husband who was just trying to have. Knew that with Anthony had like a weak spot competitive males. So. Toxic maxi masculinity on EBay of all places. You can't. You can't escape them. No, you can't eat the doll market. EBay scape it. So many race, all of it. He was a skeptic himself, but he was open minded, Anthony, and he wanted the item because he was writing a book called haunted, EBay. Are you going to believe me or your lying eyes. That's the name of the book. Hold up. Are you going to wait? Are you going to believe me or your lying eyes, which running a believe me or your okay, gotta gotta guy. He was trying to find haunted items and then he was going to run experiments on them, and each chapter was going to be a different. I mean, why don't we do say this aside venture? So that was his goal and getting the doll he wanted. And Kathy of wrote him saying, I'm really worried about you having this doll, I should have just thrown it in the ocean. I can give you your money back if you like associated guilty conscience because she knew how scary this dog was Kathy. Apparently when Kathy owned it, it was involved in two deaths within a six month period. What when you would wrap it up and put it away? Nothing would happen. But when you would have the doll out on display, that was when creepy things would happen, like people died yet creepy very just to put it lightly. She had a friend who's. Closet herald was stored in like they all live together. Yeah, and so she would. She had the doll store in his closet. Then the friend went to Amsterdam after they put it in the cause at her friend went on vacation and died instantly from falling down a staircase. What also one day Kathy heard a crash from the bathroom after she put herald out in the living room and the bathroom on the side. She heard a crash and went inside and everything had fallen out of the linen closet, but it was perfectly folded and stacked and it wasn't an linen closet. Everything was like shifted out of it like still folded? No, like it wasn't folded or. In the linen closet. Like it was just a mess in there. See, it's almost like Harold was like here. All do your fucking laundry, like all fold everything and then show you just put it out for you, sorry. Okay. I'm sorry. Repeat so it was messy linen closet. Oh, it was messy. It wasn't actually, and then everything dumped out four folded now that, okay, it's like the most passive aggressive thing. That's the ghost I want. So Cathy was on the phone. This is another thing that happened. Cathy was on the phone with one of her friends when she heard her her friend through the phone, say that she had chief out a giant spider crawling up her back at the exact same time. Kathy saw huge, wolf spider scurry across the living room and into the bathroom, which is where all the folded things where fuck, like shivers all don't like spider talk. So anyway, that's what happened with Kathy. When she shipped the doll to Anthony, he ran tests but got nothing but like you didn't get any like recordings or anything. I don't know how he knows so many mediums and so many psychics and Sony people who do like impression like, right was impression writing. Like basically speak to their guides automatic radius. I don't know. You're gonna find out. He has like seventy medium friends in the store. Maybe it's because of his book maybe. But so he got the skeptic. This seems like a lot of media outset I'll say. So he didn't get anything on the initial test, but he brought herald to one of his medium friends for reading and two minutes into the reading. His friend says, I'm sorry, Anthony, but I just can't do this anymore. The doll just threatened to kill me. Oh God. And then she said, I have a heart murmur and I can feel his hand squeezing my heart. God. Okay. So he was smart during that reading. He also recorded that he also brought a digital reporter. Okay. So as the recording was go as she was doing the reading, he was recording the whole thing and later back listened and got EV peas at said, shut up bitch, an angry roar herald. And then right before the medium said he just threatened to kill me. You can hear on the, I'm going to kill you bitch whole my God, what validating. But she really did hear them. Nasty high after a year of people getting sick and injured and having several migraines back pains nightmares. He locked the doll away in two thousand five. Okay, good fast forward to two thousand thirteen k. It has been locked in storage that entire time, and it's probably real mad and two thousand thirteen. Apparently that was when like I'm guessing I was like the beginning of BuzzFeed. That's when I was unemployed. I don't really remember much. But there was a lot of viral videos, listing rules and things like that. Very millennium heavy, yes. Internet year. Okay. It's like all of us rediscovered the internet. Hey, remember where all implored. Let's let's all cry. Go on BuzzFeed. So one of Anthony's friends found a video were herald was in a listing video as one of the world's most haunted doll's right sent the video to Anthony. And apparently the video had a lot of misinformation about where it was and just general info about the doll Anthes like, no, I'm the owner will apparently like there was like the tried to make it spookier than it was like the doll hasn't been seen since two thousand it's missing. And so I guess I guess bothered him enough that he pulled the doll out of storage and took a picture of it and announce that he was the winner, hey, BuzzFeed, and he still owned the doll, suck on this one sensitive reached out to him because once he put a picture on the internet, everyone saw the stall. So. So a lot of people are getting affected by the fuck. So he just got like drowned inbox messages about people having all these experiences. One sensitive said that herald cames man said he's pissed. He told me that he's very angry that you've had them for so long and haven't helped him. What will? Yeah, you threaten to kill his friend. So he took the doll to another medium who said it's happy, it's not locked up anymore. And a lot more messages just became very frequent and very common for him to have people say that they were visited by the doll in the middle of the night, and they were having migraines nightmares in back pains which were all the things that he had, and he had not posted about that at all. One person woke up in the middle of the night feeling as though herald was staring at her from the shadows. God, Anthony ended up actually doing like a a radio. We've got on a radio show and brought up the doll and that radio team had connections to ghost adventures. Ooh, and Zach bagel bites, asked if they could bring the doll onto the show. Oh, boy. So. And what I will now start calling lovingly Zack's attacks. All right, we need to, right. There's a glossary involved here need to. I- anytime I cover something that goes entrance has been involved in. I'm just going to discuss his exit tax happening a lot more recently lately, so we'd better get on this whole. I think I just wasn't paying attention. I wasn't watching that besides and I was covering the stories as you did. A lot of these that were involved Goso ventures is never talked about it makes sense. Makes sense. But so bagel bites, Bill Binz. Got it. So they, they brought herald to internet Assode to the island of dolls, which is a story that many people requested and eventually will show up. So there will be a little crossover when I talk about Harold on that up, Assode fun. But so they brought them to the island of dolls, and Anthony, warn them in advance, be careful of the doll because it's left arm is about to fall off like just so old. So while filming, Zach is the only one who ever touched the doll and found bruises on his left arm that looked like fingerprints from a child. They also brought the dog to a medium who said that they could feel multiple souls attached to the doll and one. So was a woman who would hurt anyone who got near the doll, and then also was trying to tell people to not be near the dolls while, oh, no people who watched the episode apparently were more at risk to be visited by Harold, I guess, like how visited, why are you doing this to me blaze doesn't get home until late late late. Some people I think like overtime, he just built a community because so many people were being affected by this doll that he created a Facebook group and all these people just really got together and tried to figure out where this stuff came from. Sure. So some people were like wildly helpful and getting information for him about this dog where came from there are some people who is to be an owner of that doll like that, like I use my story and so he was getting all these pieces and he was meeting all these spirits and all these mediums who were didn't know each other. But we're personally messaging him. Away from everybody else and giving him the same information. Things were adding up to him, not good and one woman that reached out to him her name, which is it's a a disguise, not disguise. It's a numb diplom-. Nope, that yeah, it's him, yes, we call her Jane. We don't know what her really Jane Jane. Okay. He picked the name drain years and years and years ago he picked the name, keep the name. There's one woman that was very helpful named Jane from Australia, and she had a six year old son whose name is also not this, but we call this named Vincent okay. Who was a clairvoyant and especially when your six year old clear. Man, you can't filter it right. Like, right. So eventually they became incredibly close like Anthony and this little kid, Vincent just became best buddies. And he calls Anthony ankle aunt, and that's really cute. Uncle aunt and Vincent is the number one biggest help and finding out information about the stall this every day. It seems Vincent would getting chills. I am covered until right now. It's actually like I wasn't gonna say anything, but yeah, disturbed I can't. I really can't look at my arm. Yeah, my whole, I want like sweatpants. Okay. So basically it seems like every day Vincent was getting these visions and he would draw pictures and send them Anthony like, this is what I saw was like a children's drying. Yes, which I have for you know you don't. You'll be seeing was about say, I don't even want picture that and now I have to look. So the first picture he ever he ever drew, he told his mother that the children wanted to go outside, but the big black blob wouldn't let them. Which I'm trying to run through this. So I picked select pictures. So I did not pick that one. However, there's online. You can find it of the big buck blob of the big block Bob and little kids and never before see, I'm going to be listening a lot of pictures from vincit. But if you want not only a full list of all the images but also never before seen pictures. You can buy Anthony's book on Amazon that he ended up writing all about Harold the doll God and has never before seen information sketches Besseges from people like a space, like total investigation. How figured out what happened. So Vincent that drawing. He also told herald that two of the girls that are in the doll are related to herald, probably nieces. Okay. And Bentsen said they must have known each other when they were alive? I think they were leaving. Oh, okay. There's also a little boy who. Has not been identified and the fifth one, because there's Harold the two girls, low boy and the fifth one is a demon. Okay. Wow. Quote, the demon doesn't haunt the doll. He owns it. Since then, it has been common knowledge and many times that there are five main presences at the doll, but there are several more in the background that are not as strong or come forward as often. But there are more than ten how some say in the hundreds, they're just stuck in there. Just stuck fucked up. The demon attached to the doll would punish anyone who tried helping Anthony or made fun of the spirits. And here's an example of several things, although Bravo like, I don't know what ark angel is watching over Vincent, but I have not heard of anything of hurting him. Thank God. I mean, he's child. I would hope there's some. I mean, he's a superhero angels. Take pity on him or something. So here are other people who were helpful and not as lucky. One woman said bad things about herald and seconds. Later start coughing up, blood, fuck others have been pinched scratch and suffered immediate headaches apparent. We so severe you think that you're getting hit in the baseball bat. Two men made fun of the dolphin. Watching the ghost adventures episode and one got a ruptured larynx and the other developed, diverticulitis. Oh, dire. Take Yetlis. Painful to my dad is ridiculous. Really not pretty one. I imagine a ruptured larynx by the way. Also not pretty. I don't say that the ones worst. Yeah. One woman said that she didn't think Harold was haunted and thirty seconds. Later there is later she had a gash from her stomach to the middle of her back all the way around the side of it. Yeah. Okay. I was just making fun of heralds name and I take it all back. And I'm sorry back. Take it all gash on my back is that we were saying, I take it all stomach to the back now. I'm scared God. So during a reading one, medium grub the holy water. I got it. During your reading, one medium got bitten on her hand by something that was unseen. They were like, literally teeth marks in her hand, and then they put her hand up to the doll and match the dulls teeth. Smile, sometimes people by the way. Do you want to see what this all like I was gonna say, I don't where you're gonna showing the drawings tours that I'm gonna show you that. Okay. Yeah, I wanna know what the doll looks like is I'm picturing like a, I don't know what I'm picturing here. What in the world? It's been through a lot. It's beautiful and very handsome. Exactly, correct. He's so handsome with his missing eyeballs really love his leg that skinned. Oh, it's like a baby doll abo. I didn't picture to be. It's a nice, happy, handsome, baby. I thought it was going to be like one of those like Robert, like a child like dole, not like a baby doll, that's literally one hundred years, an infant child baby. Okay, good. Looking herald. So handsome. So people that go near it are also sometimes panic stricken and cannot move with just freeze. And they feel like they're being held down by something that won't let them leave the room. Anthony's friend has stopped by and saw the doll, Anthony heard of voice say, okay, so sorry, I was reading my own shorthand. Basically what happened is anti came over, saw the doll said something about the dollar, like didn't believe in the dollars. Something like that was like, why do you have a baby doll in your house? Anthony? It's a little weird -obably. Why is it so hold decaying baby doll in your house. And so she left and then Anthony, her voice in his house, say, check on her. Oh. Then called her and like just she just left the house and then said, are you ok into the phone? And she was like very sick, like just got like a flu. I dunno where and so she he hung up the phone and said to the doll, like herald, you can't hurt people that I care about. Like I'm taking care of you. I'm responsible for you. I'm not saying anything bad happen to you like you have to be nice to the people I care about. So then he heard the voice again in his head this time saying, okay, she's all right now. And so he called her again. She surly fine. Okay. I don't know how to feel about this one woman made fun of herald and her one hundred sixty pound bull. Mastiff yelped and Branly something was trying to attack him from the corner of the room. Fault and Anthony's dog chance refused to go into rooms. Herald was in when he first when I got chance, tell you what Penn Anthony told herald. You can't scare the dog the dog lives here. Now you have to respect the dog and the dog. Now the dog runs weird back and forth, totally around the doll and isn't afraid of it. Weird. Also, the doll's eyes are blue, but people have seen them turn jet black, and they will follow you black eyed kid basically over time, Anthony star, getting all of these messages in all these clues from not just Vincent, but all these other mediums and people who speak spirits and all that. And they, they kept giving him clues. If you want answers, go here. If you want answers go here. So he started like actually going on like this road trip with Harold, like following all of these clues from different mediums trying to figure out like he was committed to trying to figure out what was going on. Sounds like travel channel show me and Harold. Oh. Herald, Anthony, visit white castle or go to white county Chessel isn't that the movie? Harold Kumar, go to white castle. True herald, Anthony, go to white castle. Well, listen, I'm full of hilarious, New Jersey. This close enough. We're maybe why castle is I don't know. No, no, just New York, midwest. Oh, I don't New York. There's definitely one New York. I've been to it. It's a Kentucky thing. Okay. Oh, shit. That's way too. I'm sure you'll handle mother God. I'm sure it will go air. You Harold. So while they're while New Jersey with herald, Vincent, had his mom sent him a picture, like took a picture of his picture. You know what I'm saying? Like said, I drew a picture for Anthony. Drawing or whatever. Okay, got exit herald, Eric, Texan, Anthony picture that Vincent you. So Vincent had drawn Anthony with the letters e w are on it, and it was the airport code that he had just landed. Also had a picture of a dog that looked just like chance, and it had the words stomach written on it. What does that mean? I means a week later chance. Got really sick. No. And the vet said that his abdominal organs were in his chest. Which made no sense to multiple vets. It made sense to Nomo made no sense multiple vets because for that to happen, he should have had broken bones have been hit by a car. Any hadn't. And then it's not as full hope. So do. Dog. The next day he died. I don't forgive you and I never will him for telling me the story breaking. Why did the dog after di- did you believe that up. I mean, I mean, no, but I'm also mad about it. I'll get over it, but the poor baby dog. So when Anthony came back home after the second vet appointment, he was recording it. He had started actually like taking pictures of things at this point because there was just too many things going on. Yeah, if it doll kit of my dog, I would fucking I would destroy it. I don't care if it doesn't catch on fire. I would throw in the ocean like that lady said, so he came home from the vet and basically like was Cussing out herald saying, like, I know you did this. I know you did this and then start filming the room and there were hordes of flies, holy crap, like hordes of flies and he filmed it. Those are fat. Fuck flies. Yeah. And they came out of nowhere inside his house in his attic sick in his attic that he was standing in and he filmed for. A couple of minutes. Gigantic flies. So that's the first picture that guessing like to Monica, right? Aren't flying kind of demonic. No, that's like the, it's a sign that the devil. Yeah, I'm like immediately looking around called. So in June, Vincent told him he needed to go to Connecticut early start heading that way. So he was heading towards Connecticut and made a pit stop in Massachusetts, where he met another medium that he knew and the media or a call. He called one of the previous ones who've been working with, and she said, you're going to find a man in a coffeehouse. You need to go with him and find the man that rights on paper very cryptic, getting real weird. So I truly okay, you get all this information for your true crime because there are actual evidence based for me like it's never this details. Am I right now. So he was like, okay, I need to find a man in a coffeehouse and then follow him to the man that rights on paper. So he went to the nearest coffee shop and just waited all day and never saw a guy there, or he never saw guy that he had like a feeling supposed to vibe go over to. And so he ended up leaving many walked across the street, and there was a store that said paranormal one on one, oh, one class. So he went in and herald on a piece of paper and taped. Yeah, sounds about right. He went in and saw a guy and just knew he had to go talk to him. The man was in charge of the paranormal one, oh, one class and invited him to come tomorrow to the class. So he went to the class where he met a student there named Ken who did automatic writing way. Questions are real quick. You said there in Massachusetts. Are they in Salem? No, they're not because I'm just like paranormal one. Oh, one thing. Usually I dumble a light to tell myself in my like ignorance about that state that just Massachusetts. All of it is just happily like owning the stereotype of ghosts, I guess. So I feel like boss or just kind of assholes mass holes. And there was never. It's either like they're really proud of the ghosts or like colonists or something. Sure. Okay. One or the other? Yeah. So he met the guy that writes on patron, Ken. Oh, okay. I get it. Yeah, yeah. As the coffee shop about he, I think it was just like they knew that he would go to a coffee shop up. Okay. So he went to the coffee shop? Meta man that he felt drawn to, and then he followed him to the class where he met the guy that writes on paper. Got it. Okay. So he decided to bring herald to the class because herald came with them on this trip, like he was carrying him around four people to help give them answers. Just seeing guy walk around with like a baby doll and being like, can I have event he cappuccino. And then he's like, oh, it's haunted, and it's killed. People. Look too closely on. Judge me for my Dolatshah weapon. His name is herald, which is a great name. So I'm gonna have a nose bleed like divor- or something real real see another painting just get thrown done with that nonsense. So to messed up he okay. So he went to go talk to and showed him the doll, and Ken was doing automatic writing for him on the doll, and immediately can says he's telling me that not only is he a high level demon, but he's danced with the devil himself. The more Anthony talked about the doll, apparently the more powerful the dark energy in the room became fuck and the man that brought him like regretted it, and I don't like this and it was not Anthony who brought him no, the the guy from the coffee shop running the thing who Bryant herald. Okay. So that brought this guy with me. He was like, it's paranormal one on one, four, zero, five. You're in AP paranormal. On class and dude, and so he regretted it and he could feel his dark energy that he didn't want there. And so he called his friend who is actually a shaman healer. Okay. And asked him, you know, wherever you are, can you like mentally get in the zone, cast protection over this classroom? And can you also remove the demon and the doll? I need a friend like that. Can you, hey, let me FaceTime you real quick. Real quick has some protection. A love that. And apparently he said he could sense the doll, and he knew that it was a really, really powerful demon, and he would need a night or to really get himself on the zone to prepare for its. He was like, give me forty eight hours and I'll come back to you. Okay. The teacher came back into the room and as he got into the room in hung up the phone with the shaman guy, he here's Ken who still automatically writing, say the doll just told me. Finally, someone worthy is coming to fight. The Princess bride where he's like, trying to find his opponent to. Oh my God. This is so fucked. So by the time the class ended for different students pounding headaches and how to leave early. And later that night, the teacher got a message from Anthony about the demon said it was going to kill Michael Shaw guy. Listen this poor class of paranoid. One hundred. I just I came for the for the free food. I didn't even mean they said they had triscuits and a wage aboard. I didn't know any better. So the ultimate did not fight the spirits and the doll. Thank God and Anthony left for Connecticut's. That's the end of that part of the story. But the students and the teacher from that class actually still dealt with tash misuse over nine weeks after that. And they had like a whole lot of bad luck if anyone ever said, heralds name like their pets, like runaway or like horrible things, God. So one medium that has been like a friend of Anthony's for a long time. Apparently she tried to do a reading for him and then said I want nothing to do with doll and set it in front of Harold sense. Then she now suffers from bones. Burs, oh, God has developed arthritis in her spine and she has gotten degenerative disk disease were something at something like her disks or like falling apart of degenerating kind of the. Yup. And it's a disease. It's not funny. It's just funny how like. I know nothing about it except that it's really bad, awful. It's just more proof that like he for some reason causes back problems for people. I forgot about the pattern, the back problems and apparently the degenerate, the debt, the degenerates. The degenerative disk disease that she got only one percent of people with disease, the kind that she got like the rarest of. So he kept in touch with Ken. Okay. And was like, hey, do some more automatic writing, right? Here's a little bit of an interview such. All right. I'm actually scared now. Okay. They asked, what is your name? And the demon said, you have to earn my name. No one wants to. Then they said we have encountered beings like you before, and he said the demon said, there are no beings like me. Okay. And then they said, can you turn the lights on our off to show that you're there? And the demon said, do not make me perform? You won't like it. And then they said, how old are you? And the demon said. No, pointing thing it's going off. The Frieder is going off. Sorry, I turned it on a little while ago and I like glanced at every now and then nothing happened. And I thought that she started pointing. I thought it was about like the computer going dark is something that I down here right now is something you're probably scared with my horse laugh. Just keep watching it. I don't. I blinked too. I saw all the way up there all the way to run. Good is going up. That's not good. That's really not good. Just the holy water. I'm sorry, I just run because I thought it's really pointing something was definitely there. Okay, great. Okay. Agree. Will. Okay, we dump this. No. Okay. But keep talking. Okay. Then it said them they asked, how old are you. This line sweating. I don't know. I turned it on and it's like said how old they said. How old are you? And the demon said, I was old when you're world was young. My story began win time started. What? Yeah. So it was like part of the fold of, okay. Now I'm just drinking too much, but like wolf. Knuckling here on. We need everybody muses sign waivers from now on. I just feel like I can't be responsible. Then we're becoming more and more legs bagel, and it's everyone's getting to genitive back diseases and I don't. I'm not laughing. I'm saying, I don't want to be responsible for it. So hold hands of recite the Lord's prayer real quick. No, no, no. Just keep slippy clearly knows how it works. So I'm just trying to like make it stop. That's all as long as it's on. If if it wants to talk, it will make us go up. All right. Paranoid anyway, the demon said it was really old. Yup. Agrees that the demon is really old. Yes, it just blinked to God. So the. Oh, good. I'm doing the m laugh. It's like the nervous. I don't like, oh boy. Okay. The from start time is what you're saying. Okay, good. So was basically in the folds of good and evil has existed since the dawn of man? I get it. Okay, great. Keep your. Fuck me. This thing is really freaking me out dude because one time when you did there goes when needed PTSD she she who shall not be named. It didn't go off once and we headed on for like the whole forty minutes that you talked about her lick. It didn't go off one time because I was staring out at the whole time and anyone getting texts because I will do it. Usually probably. I mean, we'll probably all getting Tex. Nope, no, what's happening. It's freaking the fuck out it literally just blinked several times by itself. Did you just like now send tax or something? No. No, it wouldn't. It would've noticed. No. Okay. It's still going. I don't think it's really freaking out. It's. Where they're coming in. In the last twenty seconds you get like three different messages. No, right. Yeah. Okay. Let me just make sure you can see it too. I don't know how to make it. It's fine visible. Unfortunately. Do you think has. This is like a baby walls, like dude, shut the fuck up about this creepy stuff. Man. I'm trying. It's here are want to do it. I'm not gonna do it. Don't don't open communication. Don't open wealth. Good. Walt is whatever is here doing that might not be okay. I don't wanna open communication. Anything that's not waltz okay, but don't open communication at all fine. Okay, fine. You right? Right. I like feel. Okay. All right. Okay. Hi, Jesus. Okay. She's Ford. Literally Jesus where I you. Okay. We're at the part though where it, okay, we're going to skip skipper the part where a woman vomited blood when she watched the goes adventure show, fuck. And we're going to go right into the part where we say, if anyone has ever felt attacked, they can contact Anthony and he can usually make it stop by dousing the doll with holy water, Anthony, where are you? He actually gives out his Email a couple times in his face which probably fucking call him immediately while also the entity. And he said this himself in a in an interview, the entity does respond to religious to religious requests. So if someone does feel like they're being attacked, my suggestion is pray. Earn heaven. Either your job is to pray now. I don't know if you knew that about your job description, but apparently that's now something you hail Marys. It's like my background has prepared me. Are you guys. Backer ties kidding me. Let's hang out with her a little more often. I really need to go about f- we're gonna keep doing show. Are you baptize? That's the only one this room is not get on. It. Don't say that. Well, yes, it's still blinking. We'll go to the river even taking you to the river to get baptized shirt, whatever it takes. Okay. So also an interview said the word baptize. Oh, God, did I make it mad? So in an interview, Anthony said, when discussing him actually owning the doll, I not only feel unsafe. I know I'm not safe. There are three souls trapped inside the stall, and it's fallen on me to figure out a way to release them trapped, isn't a good word there being held prisoner by one of the entities. Then he also said in the same interview, I know the name of the non human entity in this doll, it's identified in the bible as the prince of hell. The fuck, dude. I know the name of the one who calls himself herald because they're actually is the the spirit himself in a call themself herald seriously. Wow, like the demonic okay. Or will one of the spirits. Oh, one of the people that used to be a human trapped spirit. I know the name of the one who calls himself herald. I know his real name and I have even acquired photos of him when he was alive how he died in the address he lived at when he died, what just because of all of this help. He got from all these mediums information. Yeah. So he like overtime actually figured it out and he was able to figure out who these people were because he so many people were sending in sketches of like visions that they were having like something was like coming to them, and they would see it and they were draw pictures and over time like he just pulled them together and was able to confirm when he saw pictures like, oh, that's him like year, right, that's right, right. Vincent is drawing pictures and. Ooh, so creepy. Yup, to Vincent drawings later. He also said, I don't know how to release the three children spirits that are attached to the doll. That's the only reason I'm still doing this when I figured I will be done with the whole thing. Oh, that's good. Did it just blink a lot. Mother is really keeping me out to. I'm not kidding right now. This Buchen me. Really. Losing its mind. I swear to God. You guys, we have this thing on. We'll just turn on for fun when telling their story and like just let it go and like it doesn't. Never worked. Never seen it. Blink before I like one time and was like, oh, lotta times if you move your phone around it. So I would test it like me and my phone, and I was like, it's broken. It never moves. Never. Blinks never does anything. He making sure I took when Eva was pointing, it went all the way up. What was I saying? Wants before that too. Trying to watch it just didn't just be very great. Yeah, it was mostly what you're talking about how old it was when you were redoing the interview and reading the like the automated writing thing that was like started pointing, you were saying like, oh, when I was saying there are no beings like me. That's when I started pointing. And then you're like, oh, I'm from the beginning of time. And then it started. Like aka the fucking creepiest part of this entire fucking story. Yeah, no, yeah. It's great, Christina. I think I'm going to hang out here after a while back, but I don't really. I'm gonna hang out at your place without power for awhile. Fuck this Zach, bagel bites to show up at fix it. 'cause I. Okay. All right. So three years ago, Anthony star, creating ve logs about this where he actually started posting videos that he was taking of like things that were happening are really weird, like the flaws lines. Okay. And he called them haunted, herald, blogs. And it Harold they have like a theme song, no. But if you ever do go watch it, I will warn you his voices. Not what you expect it to be. I like he started speaking. I was like Anthony or herald Anthony, but it's like, what do you mean? Because voice just was not what I was expecting out of him. What were you expecting a different sound in goes? Had you like seen pictures of him or anything? Yeah. Oh, well, I haven't. So I don't know what I would expect from his if you saw video of him before he started speaking and then like you said, hi, this is Anthony. Oh, I see. Okay. 'cause it's right. Okay. You're saying he just doesn't sound like he looks right, but so this was like the smartest, like just like documented the hell out of it and like not only did he start doing blogs, but also started doing blogs and his blog post. Really, there's hundreds of posts of him giving updates about like people who have been felt experiences or like just, I mean, it's just it's so well documented. It's like he never did anything else. He just gave people updates all all day everyday. He would also do spirit Bach sessions with the doll. He would do flashlight sessions, which is really creepy because like he would be thinking a question and it wouldn't have. He wouldn't have said it out loud yet, and it would start the flashlight with turn on, and he would have to tell them like, stop answering my thoughts. If I don't verbally say it, you have to wait. They were like, so eager to talk to him and just blink non like some like eager to talk, you made a face. And so Anthony rather quickly into like posting all these things, he was getting so much information from people especially Vincent. And he said he was this is like way early in the beginning, but I found the video where he said he was going to commit to helping the spirits, leave the doll because Vincent in the mediums he knew were putting together too many pieces and he didn't want to say no to hopelessly. So he also made the blog that was even more information than the blogs were in. That was a lot. And one of the things he would do on his YouTube pages, he was he would upload videos of people giving their testimonies of things that they experienced when they encountered. Okay, herald share. So these are some of the different things that happened. There was one woman who woke up and heard a little boys voice calling out her name downstairs grip. My fucking nightmare. That's the worst thing you could say right now, that's the worst. And then the next night she woke up to a woman screaming her name, he's Mets worse. I can't decide, and she was apparently very intimidating and scary and a little boy wasn't scary. And then the next morning she woke up to something moving on her, but she thought it was our cat. So she moved over to give that room. And then she heard the boy from the night before next to her on the bed. Say I always get in trouble. I always get blamed. And so when she looked up to see who was there, it was just herald the doll's face inches from her face floating there, get out of here. Then a week goes by, and while she's cooking in her ear, she hears an evil voice, say it's personal this time, and then made her ear like the feeling of like falling asleep. So she was like scratching at her ear, trying to like get the voice out, wait what the feeling, what do you mean like the football asleep? Oh ear falsely, basically. I shouldn't laugh. It's not funny Dojo me. Then there was a man named Larry who watched the goes adventures episode and it made him go check out the Facebook page and he saw Anthony was on there, and he wrote out that if you ever want help our investigation, let me know. And so Larry that night he closes is and he saw a vision of faces swirling around him. The first was a lady and the second was a little boy. Then the other fac- saw was very scary guy with burns and a smirk, and you could sense his hatred. And there were two more faces that never showed themselves, which confirms the five spirits creepy and the woman reached out like she was reaching out for help. But then he heard a growl and saw the man pull the woman back in his hands, had claws on them, and I have a picture of that. But mean you have a picture of a picture of his rendition or something. He had a sketch artist draw the faces. He described the faces and this is what he saw. Whom I God. Oh, my God. And so that's. Horrifying. And then this is the little boy he saw, and that's the girl he saw. And apparently anyone who's had visions of these people have seen these people. You giving me hives, I can't handle this. So that was one. So then he got to say, we're going to post us photos, right? Yeah. Okay. We will post the phone. Okay. We'll post on Instagram one last guy. His name was Sean and he also offered to help Anthony. Remember this thing doesn't like people helping, and so him and his wife ended up starting to see spirit disguised as their kids. He would see his daughter walk out the door and then turn around and she was on the ground playing with her toys. He would see his son walking up the stairs, and then find him downstairs on the couch d'appel gang shit. And it started to follow them because even in public, Roxanne, his wife saw her husband on the other side of the bar while he was sitting next to her holding her hand, that's like manipulative demonic shit. They also started seeing doorknobs move on. On their own, and they could sense a mean female presence at the top of the stairs in the middle of the night. So through meeting connections in mediums and following events, clues, Anthony, compared his photos to hit like the photos that he had gotten a like the real herald when he was alive. Yeah, he compared them to the sketches and paintings that people were sending him from all around the world, and they were all Qripoli accurate. And Anthony said, I want the evidence to be airtight before I reveal their true identities if I ever do. So he was sticking to his guns on like never revealing their names because he didn't want to give that information out share and Anthony at one point had even been offered up to fifty thousand dollars for the dull, but he had this guilt complex. I need to help, but ever is going on in this doll. And so he never was willing to sell it. So Larry, the guy that had that sketch drawn right. He wrote him again one day saying that he had this weird thing happened to him where he was reading. Bible and he left it open to go pick up his son. And when he came back, the bible was on a totally different chapter. It was on revelations nine. Oh no revelations, even like, oh, and he couldn't. For some reason. He liked could not read it like the war. His eyes were just fixated on one word and he couldn't go head and it was the name. Abadan thank God that I was about. I looked at mmediately at it to he didn't know why, but he felt like he needed to talk to Anthony about it and Anthony call two like, why did you say that name? Because he hasn't ever told he hasn't ever revealed any names anyone. He's why did you see that name? But so he basically, Anthony then showed Larry picture that Vinson drew one night when Anthony had a panic attack, which I will leave. Oh, Vincent, this poor child. So the reason that Anthony knows the name of the demon is because of Vincent, oh. And he was one of the very first pictures that Anthony ever or that Vincent ever drew him. And when Anthony was having a panic attack, and then all of a sudden Vincent's mom sent him a picture saying, like Vincent said that you needed to see this while he was having the panic attack. So that being like he needs to show this day, I would always feel in so much anger and so safe at the same time. Because if he says nothing very knows everything, but also like he has access to some creepy fucking shit. So basically, Larry said, I heard I saw this name of the bible and I can't stop thinking about it. I need to talk to you about it. Anthony said years ago, I had a panic attack, and then when I came to I saw my phone and this picture had been sent to me and Vincent sent this picture of something going through his heart, like a panic attack. And it looks like a grim reaper chest like a and then to this was the other side. It's a big black blob into the name Abadan and then also says a Polian or I don't know how to pronounce it, but it's the, the Hebrew and the Greek version of the same name Polian Ian. And also I'm just going to say real quick that's like written you guys in like children's handwriting, which obviously makes it creepy. But even knowing that like a kid wrote it, but then just picture that like it's a child's drawing, oh my God with his things, his chest, but he's, that's how he found out what the name was because this name got drawn next one black blob. So you're saying the one on the apol-. Ian is it's the same person. It's just like the Hebrew name versus the Greek name. So, oh my, oh my God. So Abadan was that's found that was his name, and he is also known as the king of an army of locusts. He's also known as the destroyer. He's also known as angel of the abyss and the angel of the bottomless pit. So I'll really good, good, fun, spirited name. So while Anthony was like, this is in two thousand sixteen at this point. So he's been like traveling the world for three years, trying to figure out what's going on with a stall and he's metal these people, and he's been recording all these things and putting all over his YouTube and posting these blog like he is dedicated this fulltime job. So in two thousand sixteen, he had been thinking like, I don't know if I should release the names like maybe that'll help give people information like should I say the name shy, tell everyone. It's been years and when Larry called that was his sign of like, I'm gonna tell everyone the name because people are figuring it out on their own. Now it's being, yeah. So he revealed everyone's names in two thousand sixteen the girl in the picture. Her name is Elsie. The little boy in the picture is actually a little girl named Marjorie. She has a bowl cut, and the scary man is Harold and getting chills again, holy shit. It's very, very wild. But on the haunted, herald blogs on YouTube, he does. He took that sketch that Larry had drawn up and he printed out each individual face and put a flashlight on each one. And he does the flashlight interviews by having each of them light up different lights at different times. The fuck to be like each one is like if one of them, if one of the flashlights up, he knows who's talking, oh my God, or he can specific questions to specific people. And so basically he began doing these filmed flashlight episodes which you can find on his YouTube, or you can also go to haunted herald doll dot com for his bow. Okay. And so he kept following the clues and mainly through Vincent and mediums. He basically very shortly after releasing the names and doing these episodes. He ended up in following the clues all the way to Brisbane Australia, and that is where he filmed his last video because this is where it gets happy last year on February twenty-second, which is my lucky day to he posted his final haunted, herald blog called it is done. And in the video, Anthony says that he and team in Australia have successfully released the spirits from doll all, except for herald, the spirit of herald who refused to leave because he would not leave the one that he served as the Badin. Wait what? Apparently he was like his minion and doing the bad on behalf. So he stayed in the doll as the evil spirit. Yeah, and everyone else was released. All the good people away it was described is that basically all the good spirits were in a prison and it was monitored by hurled who was doing all these horrible. Okay, got it. Got a good and Anthony still, though some interviews about his experience with the doll, but his new goal was to get back to himself after the years. He spent obsessing over the doll. And like I said, the beginning of this episode as I was finishing up these notes, I felt violently ill and then I came back in here and at that painting lifted self off the nail Indra rob to the ground. What makes me upset is that it's a painting of geo, and I don't like the thought of that. Think of that. Great. Great, good timing note. And you know, it's funny before you got here. So I like rearranged the like studio space a lot this week. And before you got here, I was like, you know what? I wanna hang that painting of geo backup there and put it back on its nail where it's been for many, many weeks and months. And I was like, that's the one thing I need to put back where it belongs, and then you show up and fucking flies off the wall. So thanks. Anyway, God that was a wild ride. I feel like we're back in the first week of this podcast where I was like, what did I get myself into? I feel like I know I, I know my whole part was like easily an hour long this. I'm so sorry that its on holidays. I'm scared also. Sorry, ever is about to happen. I'm scared to be extra safe because I'm, I've never been freaked out before freaking out again. Is it? Yep. Little bit little tiny bit. What's not the same like earlier when you first were reading tuck automatic writing? It was. It was going all the way to the high levels of the. It's an EMF reader, right? That was going all the way up to the red dismember even going like. And she was pointing at the screen like okay up, sorry, the screensavers going on. Nope. There's a demon here. Thanks. Thank God that did not light up when you said that. Can you imagine if my guardian angels here? No, they're not here either. Okay. No one's here. Okay. Well, that was fucking terrifying. Right, really fucking fantastic. Hopefully, that's the only time that ever happens though. Knock on wood. Okay. Please eat yourself. Scared. 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By the way, when I was listening to your last episode, I felt the presence of like a grandpa or father figure, who was I? Is it like Catholic and didn't like your topics? And I'm like, oh, my Oba's here. Ono but that. Oh, thank you. Okay. I'll just read to you. Okay. Oh, nice. Laptop. Okay. I happen to be a medium from anesthesia. I happen to me medium enduring your last episode that was actually there was actually a male president, mill president. Obama was here. Now there was actually a male presence from one of your guys lives. It's a parental figure, so either grandfather. So very Catholic, very religious. And so of course, at this point, I'm like, oh, it is Mike grandfather clearly, yeah, but then as highly dislikes topics, and I'm like, check. And then it says not a very happy person check, but then it says, has a slightly abnormal obsession with Bigfoot. And then I laughed out loud because I was like, I don't think my grandfather even he's from Austria. He fuck that is so I don't know if you have any. Maybe it's wall. I don't know. Like, oh, maybe maybe like I couldn't because I was just telling 'em like I always get the sense that wall is kind of like Kerma Ginny and like doesn't want bliss if he did it. Really? Yeah, God, I always get this ends like he doesn't want to be like the ghost of the house, but he's just kind of there with his dog game. He was taller. Gentlemen, broad-shouldered, curly hair somewhat of a stereotypical redneck, meaning he's got some country habits, including hunting, which you've had a previous disagreement about or possibly your mother. He's a relatively strong spirit because he died unexpectedly about seventeen to twenty years ago. So anyway, every time I read, I get chills and I don't know who that is. The ink, you and thank you anesthesia for sending that. But that only thing that connects there is for me, my grandpa died twenty years ago, but he did not look like that. You're not. He wasn't like the redneck, Bigfoot like quite the Jewish grandfather, right? He looked like Boris. From the Rugrats. Four is in an appearance and sound. So I'm trying to think is migrant father was like a German Catholic like rolled war, two vet who didn't even like, wouldn't even know what big was. So I'm looking at your grandpa. Oh, God. Maybe. Do you read that grandpa from Virginia. It didn't say Virginia though. Just that we have matching at least she saw she's from Virginia. Definitely wasn't. And he was a psychiatrist and it was not very redneck, but he did live in Virginia, Alex big. I can't die twenty years ago. Actually, it might have been around twenty years ago. Illness, someone, it's someone, my my, the grandpa, the only grandparent that has ever passed away as my grandpa, and he is very much like Tony soprano Belykh fifty years in the future. You know what I mean? Like soprano fifty years in the future of now. No. A hover board, big burly like, right, right, right. I got you. Yeah, yeah, my I'm trying to think. 'cause like my step grandparents, misstep grandpa died about twenty years ago, but he was like any liked hunting, but in the way that he was a country club like FOX and Hal right. Skeet shoot and all that. Correct. He was like the founding member of the country club. My stepmother is a member, gosh. Oh, was it really the same like Bigfoot, but I mean, I maybe I don't know, but he thought about twenty years, but I don't know. It's interesting. I mean, maybe my ghost time travelling. That makes so much sense. But I love actually, I remember when he was for that and I got like legitimate and we get like some of those messages sometimes of like, oh, headed dream, that this happened and you know, it's interesting, but like this one really got to me and I think it was because I read like grandfather figure Catholic died about twenty years ago and really dislikes your topics. And I'm just like, that's my fucking grandpa, which is we are because I know if my grandpa were here and I do definitely feel him like when we do shows and all that, and I know he would love these topics. Well, 'cause I always think about my grandpa and I always apologize every time. I'm not even kidding like, 'cause I feel like he's always with me too, but he's very, he's like my dad, like I listen to the first ten minutes, but I don't want anything to do with the rest. I love you very much like a hate everything. And so in my head, I'm just like, that's exactly right. But like I don't think he knew what big but was last my dad, but I thought that was kinda creepy and weird and. He's also extremely Catholic. And since I'm getting married, I have this weird guilt complex about it because I'm like he would because I'm not having a Catholic wedding fucking lose his mind. So I don't know who knows. But anyway, I thought that was a little bit. Interesting. And I meant to ask you about it to see your grandpa had a big foot. No, that's the one missing piece. Maybe I'll look around and see what we can find. Maybe even if you find out if any of your relatives have a big foot interest point, like maybe somebody else in the house, I'll s place to his grandpa died, oh, but only a few years ago. Okay. So. How long does it. One forty, holy shit. I'm sorry guys. No, it's fine. I'm sorry in advance and Eva. We owe you like overtime, probably. Okay. This is. This is one that I've been saving and I'm pretty excited for it. What is it? It's the zodiac killer. No. Coming with the hits. I know earlier this week I was like, I'm going to pick a big story. And then when I'm showed up and was like, I got an exciting one. I was like, oh God, we both had the brainwave the Gemini brainwave. Earlier this week, I started listening to podcasts like when I prepare for an episode, I listen to like every podcast. I can't unlike that topic throughout the day while I'm like grocery shopping doing it over to just like get in my head. And then I go home and like do the research and try to like, remember facts that I learned anyway. So this is zone kill. All right, Eve's. Fist bumping. Yeah, better than pointing the detectors. Of all, like Eva gestures. This is the best one. This side's it went all the way to read. Fuck. Let's Eva. She's going to be haunted. Actually my favorite. You would just as when she like reaches for the box of wine really subtly, it just wanna go. Just wanna go. Just like, because like it's like, oh, is that your ego coming up? My favorite Eva gesture is like. Oh. No, I've been doing this the whole time to not really like Eva is the thing that's happening, maybe. No, don't do that. Don't don't coax it. No, I'm not. I'm like. Around was like, okay, but really I quit ground, so holy water just getting. That's my favorite gesture when Grubbs a holy water off the table. That's my favorite juster holy water in one hand and wine and the other, and then maybe grow our kid while you're at it again just now great. Just going, okay. Yeah, I don't know whether it's better worse that I'm talking about a serial killer and its blip ING. Like I don't know if that's better worse than like coaxing demon. I mean, I guess probably, but this guy seems kind of like a demon. So this is story of zodiac, killer. All right. I'm just going to give you kind of a timeline because that's the best way that I can like noble means, break it down into a story. I enjoy chronology. Since. Okay, great. I don't practice it often when my stories, but I appreciate it would do. Okay. Okay. I'll take it so on December twentieth nineteen sixty eight. This is when the story begins on lake Herman road in Benicia California, which is near the bay area, San Francisco. Oh, you just got to Email. Oh, I think we all just got an Email which is probably why just panicked. Okay. Who emailed us t- Medo tomato, low from New Orleans, Tori God damnit Holo from hell. Fuck you. Walk them. Okay. Okay. So Serbians December twentieth nineteen sixty eight late sixty eight lake Herman road Benicia California which is near this Cisco bay area to high school students named Betty Lou Jenson which is sounds like to me the name that you would make up for a character in the sixties school. Betty Lu, Jensen, and David Faraday they're on a first date. They are planning on tending the highschools Christmas concert, but instead they skip the concert and drive out to lovers lane back on lovers. Lanes were thing, right? It was a lovers lane in the area and they wanted to do some smooching so around eleven pm. They're in their car on lovers lane necking doing the preamble. Almost amblin. Amblin their pre Emlyn scrambling for an ambulance. All the demons really. We're adding. Hopefully our puns actually save us in the after he kinda nice. That's the key. So as they're like preamble around in the car, another car pulls up next to them. A man exits this car second car and walks toward the couple ordering ordering them to get out of the car. Betty Lou gets out first and as David exit car, the mysterious man pulls out a gun. Shoots him in the head. Betty Lu starts to run away, but the killer guns her down only twenty eight feet from the car shooting her five times in the back. Oh, my God. Yeah. And then the killer just gets in his car and drives away. So police arrive a couple of hours later, find their bodies, but there is no trace of the killer and they are knives to create any leads off of this. So that was in December. So in July, specifically, July fourth nineteen sixty nine. The year gap was founded by the way. Oh, not like the moon landing. Oh, well. Every time when it was like. Nineteen sixty nine. I was like six nine because I was I mean we all got our child, right? Okay. I'm sixty sixty-nine. Everybody today literally saw sixty nine is the temperature aside, and I was like, oh my favorite favorite weather. There's no way it was fucking sixty nine this morning. Seriously. Yeah. Wow. I wish. Okay. So July fourth nineteen sixty-nine more than six months later a couple named Michael Meg. Oh, and Darlene Farren drive into the blue rock springs park in vi- ho four miles away from the original murder site. So they part they're parked in darleen Carr, and I don't know what they're doing, but their parked in the car and they're at a park and they're like preemption preempt went around premium one in the preamble preamble. When a second car pulls up next to them and they're kind of like who is and she's kind of questioning like, who could that be? And he's like, oh, don't worry about it and she's like bullets. Weird. Like, why would they pull up right next to us and the car drives away. So they're like, that's kind of weird, but whatever they go back to their like canoed alling preempting or whatever the hell they're doing and ten minutes later, the same car reappears this time it parks behind them and the driver gets out of the car and approaches a passenger side of the car with a flashlight and a gun. Oh shit. He shines a flashlight directly into the window at Michael's face and is just like they can't even see because it's like a really powerful flashlight and he's shining directly in their face. And then he shoots them five times several of the bullets pass through Michael and into Darlene through his body. And then the killer walks away. But as he's getting back into his car, he, here's Michael moaning, he's still alive. So he walks back to the car and shoots each of them two more times I've dead and then drives off. So that night at twelve forty a m a couple hours later, the Vejle police department received mysterious phone call and the man who's calling on the other end of the line reports that he's responsible for the attack, and he gives the location of the bodies. The police are able to trace the call and they trace it back to a phone booth at a gas station. That's three tenths of a mile from Darlene house. One of the victims, and it's only a few blocks away from the police station where they received the call. So it's like right down the street. Darlene was pronounced dead at the hospital, but miraculously, Michael survived despite being shot in the face neck and chest. So he was able to give a description of the attacker to the police because he was. Conscious enough to do so. So he's the attacker was twenty six to thirty years old. One hundred ninety five, two hundred pounds maybe more a five, eight white male with short light Brown, curly hair. And after giving that description, the police just still had no idea where to go from there. So about a month later on August first nineteen sixty nine. The VA ho times herald. The San Francisco Chronicle Anna San Francisco Examiner received three nearly identical letters and a psychiatrist examine them and said, they seem to have been written by someone you would expect to be brooding and isolated and they were written by the killer. So the the killer took credit for both the lake Herman road shootings in the blue rock springs shootings. And each letter also included one third of four hundred eight symbol cryptogram the killer claimed contained his identity. So he basically said, if you crack this, you'll have me. Yeah. So the killer who is not a great speller by the way or grey at the language in general, demanded that the letters that he wrote be printed on each newspaper's front page, or he would cruise around all weekend, killing lone people in the night until he ended up with a dozen people dead over the week. Oh my God. He was like not fucking around. And so the chronicle decided not to do that. And instead they just published the cryptogram itself like the Bisky like a riddle. I don't know the best way to put it like a cryptic moves like symbols like weren't that were supposed to be associated with letters, and you have to figure out the puzzle, right? So they publish this curved gram on page four of the next day's newspaper, not on the front page. So none of them published this cryptogram on the front page, but the chronicle published page four alongside an article quoting police, chief, Jack e still saying, quote, we're not satisfied that the letter was actually written by the murderer, and he requested more proof that the. The letter was actually from the murder himself. So even though they didn't run these letters on the front page, the murders that he threaten didn't actually happen. Thank God. So on August seventh nineteen sixty nine, another letter was received at the San Francisco Examiner, and it started with dear editor. This is the zodiac speaking, and that was the first time he identified himself. He named himself Zodiacal. A lot of times this year killers covered an ego. He is just balls to the wall like matter. So my gosh. Yeah, it's not even funny. Yeah. And. I feel like a lot of the time serial killers get names from like the press or like like, they'll name them, but he named himself so good for him. So to prove that it was really him the zodiac included details about the murders that hadn't been released to the public yet. And the next day, a couple named Donald and Bette harden of Salinas. California, both schoolteachers cracked the cryptogram. So they spent all weekend the two of them. They were retired schoolteachers and all weekend working on this puzzle together and date date and they cracked it really? Yes. And I just love to think about them sitting at home with like their coffees and like their son room, like trying to crack the puzzle. It's just my favorite would be on a date. One thousand percent. By blaze Alison plans, then we'd sit in the sun room and drink coffee and just like crack crack case Uriel killer cryptogram. So they did this and they were the only ones to do it, which is pretty amazing. And I love that they were schoolteachers. It's like, oh, yeah, just at other thing that education do for you. Don't fucking underestimate us. So this is what the cryptogram said that they solved. And by the way, there's a lot of misspellings in here which made it even more difficult because had wrong letters and shit, right? Yeah. So it said, Owen pantley the way they did it was they were like, we imagine it starts with I 'cause like he's narcissistic. So they took the first symbol and we're like, that's probably an is playing hangman by themselves. Yeah. Exactly. And which is just so fun for a married couple. That's what marriage is really like. Oh, cool. Well, let me know. Come on over. Starry eyed, like maybe this is how we'll live our lives. And then they said, like, obviously the double letters, they would find matching symbols and be like, these are probably killing right l. l. okay, so this is what the cryptogram said. I like killing people to clearly. They were onto something. I like killing people because it is so much fun. It is more fun than killing wild game in the forest because man is the most dangerous animal of all to kill something gives me the most thrilling experience is even better than getting your rocks off with a girl. The best part of it is that when I die, be reborn in paradise and they have killed will become my slaves. I will not give you my name because you will try to slow down or stop my collection of slaves for my afterlife. And then there were eighteen letters just in one big long string, and no one has been able to crack with those eighteen letters are just like a totally different symbols, jumble of letters, the way that they matched them to the rest of the puzzle. It's like e b. Oh. -pletely it's like eighteen letters long. So nobody really knows if that's anything at all. Maybe it's like initials of all the victims or something. Oh, maybe maybe. So they have not been able to figure that out. So the following month on September twenty seventh nineteen sixty nine to students at Pacific union college where picnicking at late at lake, Barry Esa a white man, five foot, eleven weighing around one hundred seventy pounds with combed, greasy, Brown hair approached them. He's wearing a black executioner style hood with clip on sunglasses over the eyeholes. I can't remember what our refuse talk about. White shoot, man my God and a bid like device on his chest that featured a symbol three by three inches. It's a cross circle symbol that you've probably it's like a circle with a cross in it. Like it looks like a target. No, no? Oh, like you would shoot like like an archery target. Maybe it's like those ODI symbols like a circle with a cross in it. Target shooting. You're doing, oh, looks like a target in my mind his entire like a bullseye. Sometimes it's is our cross. I don't know what you're talking. I don't know. I don't know anything. I'm gonna go look. Yeah, you okay? Yeah. All right. Okay. So it looks like the crosshairs of gun if that's what you're saying? Yeah. Okay. Yes, that's what I was thinking crosshairs. Yes. Thank you. We were on the same page. We were on the same interests. You're right. So it's like shooting like a circle with a cross in it? Yes, exactly. I feel like people probably seen it, especially because it's creepy when it's drawn. It looks kind of shaky. It's just fucking creepy. So anyway, this guy has the symbol on his chest, and he has an executioner, hood with sunglasses, clipped on over just beyond anything, and he approaches them holding a gun and he claims to be an escaped convict, and he said he had killed a garden stolen car and now needs their car and money. So he can flee to Mexico. So he had also brought pre cut lengths of plastic clothesline and he gives them Decio Leah and tells her to tie up Brian before he ties her up, then he checks and he realizes they haven't tight. She hasn't tighten them enough. So he tightens Brian's bonds and then instead of robbing them like the expected, he pulls a knife out. And Brian, this is really fucked up. Brian asked that this guy kill him first because he doesn't want to watch Cecilia suffer. So the man stabs Cecilia ten times with the knife, then turns and stabs, Brian six times then hiked five hundred yards backup to the road to Brian's car. Then takes a like sharpy and draws this symbol this like circle with a chronic on his car and on the door. And then he writes the dates and times of all the previous murders underneath it with the sharpie on the car. And then at seven forty pm, the killer calls the Napa county sheriff's office from a payphone sure report the crime and says, he wishes to report a murder quote, no, a double murder, and then states that he was the one who did it then when. They went to investigate. They found the phone still off the hook at a Napa car wash on main street, and it was only a few blocks from the sheriff's office. So again, he was like right in front of the sheriff's office calling. Basically tunneling them. That's so wild being like, I did. It does hectic. We're able to lift us still wet palm print from the telephone, but we're never able to match it to any suspect. So back at the lake, a man and his center fishing and the start hearing screams for help. So they discover Cecilia Bryant tied up and stepped multiple times. They're so alive. Yup. Screaming for health home, my God, and they call Park Rangers. So when the Rangers comes to Celia still conscious Brian's, not. And when they talk to Celia as they're trying to get her in the alien stuff, she starts giving them a description of the tackle, which is when they get the information about like he had a mask on and he had the glasses and the ROY in bowl. That's when they get all this information. So she's able to give them. That thank God, but unfortunately, on the way to the hospital, she's she lapses into a coma and she never wakes up all my gosh. She dies two days later. So she was fortunately able to stay awake long enough, give it a, yeah, while Brian was unconscious too late. Good, Brian, five. So Brian survives somehow. Yeah, so he's unconscious is whole time, but he's vives after like six stab wounds and is able to give more information to the press after like the initial information from Cecilia. So only two weeks later on October eleventh nineteen sixty nine. A passenger enters a cab driven by a man named Paul Stein at the intersection of Mason and Gary streets in San Francisco, and he requested me taken a Washington and maple and prosciutto heights. And as Paul drives the car, the passenger pulls out a gun shoot styling in the back of the head takes his wall in car. She's and then tears away a section of his bloodstained shirt. Like his shirt tail shirt, three teenagers across the street witness, the whole thing, and they call the police while the crime is happening. Like wallets in progress there, watching this happen, and they say, we see this guy. He's wiping down the cab. He's walking away toward the Presidio, like we see where he's going. It's a little police obviously are like on their way. And as they head to the scene, they see a white man walking along the sidewalk and stepping into a stairway, and they kind of talk to him for a second and then they move on. And although the teens had described the man as adult white male, just like they had seen walking down the street and stepping into a stairwell. The radio dispatcher apparently said to be on the lookout for a black suspect, of course. So the police did not bother to look into the man that they saw on the side of the road any further. So they are saying, we need to look out for a black suspect who attacked this man. The cab and the white teens are basically say. No, like he was. We all saw him. He was a white middle-aged like thirty year old man. So after the teens give this sketch, oh, and by the way, the police at this point say like, no, we never stopped anybody. We never talked to anyone on the side of the road. Like we just went straight ho seen just remember that. So these teens give a sketch or give a description and the first composite sketches made of this killer Giovanni de, I don't know what his deal is. So over the next few years, the San Francisco police department would investigate an estimated twenty five hundred suspects my God all to no avail and on October fourteenth nineteen sixty nine. The chronicle received another letter from the zodiac and alongside it was a swath of Paul stine's shirt his bloody shirt and it's going off good heavens, help us all it went to yellow Paul. I'm sorry, eligible times. I'm sorry that this happened to you. I truly because wolf is this a rough story. So he sent a piece of the shirt to be like, oh, it's me. And he also included demand. Okay. What's the demand? He said he needed a prominent lawyer. Any listed to, okay. He's like one of these two men need to appear on the show AM San Francisco. Or he would quote get ready. This is even worse than before he would quote just shoot out the front tire of school bus and pick off the kiddies as they come bouncing out all my God. Yeah, it's not good. So he basically was what is wrong with stub. He's having a really intense conversation with the dog frustrating. They're like, really getting to know what else. One day we'll meet one day. We'll meet. Are you? My friend? I don't know. What is the dog say Doug? What is Doug saying up where he's just like, just met you and I love. Right? So I will pick off the kiddies. They come balancing out. She's beyond beyond fucked up. So the lawyer that he mentioned one of the lawyers busy, but the other one did busy, no time. No. Was like, I'm out reports even bigger. It'd be like outer, like just all do whatever to make sure. Right, right, right. I feel like it's either or like it's not like we'll see what I can do case. He must have really been busy. He must have been. Real fucking busy like in the Caribbean or something. Okay. So the one lawyer did is instructed. He went on the show appealing to the viewers to keep the lines open. So that. Sorry. So he appealed appealing to the viewers to keep the lines open so that if the ODI at called he could get through right and lo and behold, zodiac did call several times and he said his name was Sam and this guy, this lawyer agreed to meet him in Daly city the next day. But the subject never showed up. This funds that I'm the soda. I'll meet you here. So on November eighth nineteen sixty nine, zodiac mailed another cryptogram. But this one has never been decoded and that kind of sets off a pattern of him mailing stuff. That's kind of creepy mysterious and is not able to be solved. Right. And the next day he mails a seven page letter stating that two policemen stopped and spoke with him briefly only three minutes after he shot the cab driver Paul Stein and then let him go and moved on. So that was when they saw him on the side of the road and. Said, no, we're looking for a black man. Right? Who else would hurt a cab driver and said he was basically taunting them and was like, yeah, I talked to them. And I said, you know, it was a perfectly friendly, white man, and they'd just let me go, which is just okay. So beyond. On December twentieth nineteen sixty nine one year to the day of dared David Faraday and Betty Lou Jensen's murders. So like the first ones that I mentioned at lovers lane a year to the day. Afterward does Odia mailed a letter to the lawyer that I mentioned who went on that show and included another swath of Paul stine's bloody shirt and said, he wanted this lawyer to help him and like defend him basically in court. So on the night of March twenty second. So those three months later, a woman named Kathleen. John's Kathleen John's was driving from San Bernardino to Petaluma to visit her mother and she was seven months pregnant and also had her ten month old daughter with her while heading west on highway one, thirty, two near Modesto car behind her Regan, honking its horn and flashing headlights. So she pulled off the road and stopped the man walks up and says, oh, you're right. Wheel is wobbling. I'm worried that your cars like endanger. After here have like a repair kit with me, why do I fix it? And she's like, oh, that'd be really nice. Thank you. So he repairs, quote, unquote the wheel and says, okay, you're good to go. And she's like, thank you so much. Could he fucked up even more? So she pulls off to reenter the drive, reenter the highway, and almost immediately the wheel falls completely off the car and the man returns, and he's like, what? Oh my God, you're will must be so must up here. I'll give you ride to the nearest gas station for help. So she's like, okay, I mean, I'm stuck here my wheels off the car now, like Ryan do anything obviously. So she gets in the car with her daughter, and she is like the please drive me to gas station. So during the ride the past several service stations and the men didn't stop for about ninety minutes, he's driving back and forth along the same back roads. And when she asked why he's not stopping. He would change a subject. He wouldn't explain it. And so she started getting like increasingly nervous and he finally stopped in intersection and she fucking jumps out of the car with her baby. Good, yeah, and fuck and bolts. And she just runs into a field and is like running and running and running. And this guy's like taking off after chasing her. Yup. Oh, no. So she fucking hides in a field and he has a flashlight and walking around looking for her, and he says, I won't hurt you come out. I won't hurt you and he's walking. I mean, it's like, come out, come out wherever you're right. So fucking creepy. She's hiding and he's walking around, like you're praying. Your baby doesn't cry at she said, apparently the baby was trying to cry and she was just like begging the baby to like quiet, and there's nothing you can do. So he's walking around like looking for them and saying, I won't hurt you. I won't hurt you. And so eventually he gives up thank God. And so I build a finer. He gets back into his car and drive or no into her car and drives off, and she hitches a ride to the police station. And when she gets there, she gives her statement to the sergeant on duty and she notices that she notices like in the police station, there's like a composite sketch of a guy, and she's like in its pulse, Stein's killer. And she's like, that's the fucking guy. God reminding me around and it was the same good soda killer. So she's like, that's the guy. So she was terrified that like he was gonna come back and kill her and her unborn child her baby. So the sergeant had her weight in the dark at like a nearby restaurant just yet like they didn't know where to put her. So they just like had her hide in a dark restaurant with other police officers, like just while they looked for her car. So when they found her car, which they did find by the way it had been gutted and he had fucking toy. Watched it and sit on fire. So there's nothing they can do. There's no evidence. There's no DNA like there. Nothing they could take out of it. So does Odia continued to commute. So thank God. Thank God sheet survived in her baby in Toronto, born babies arrived, but the continued to communicate with thirties for the remainder of the year and we're in nineteen seventy. Now be a letters and greeting cards to the press. He looked to send like Christmas words and stuff in a letter. Postmarked April twentieth nineteen seventy four, twenty blaze. It. Zodiac wrote. My name is blank, followed by thirteen character cypher and the letter included a diagram of the bomb. The zodiac claimed he'd used to blow up a school bus and in the letter he wrote zodiac. So the symbol like the circle at the cross, which is like zodiac symbol now, right? Zodiac equals ten, San Francisco, police department equals zero. That was kind of like I'm winning, right, right, right. So on April twenty eighth nineteen seventy. Zodiac sent agreed in card to the chronicle and written on the card was quote, I hope you enjoy yourself when I have my blast in all capital. And then he wrote his cross circle signature on the back. He threatened to use the same bomb that he had drawn a picture of soon unless a newspaper published the full details wrote. And he also you also said he wanted to start seeing people in San Francisco wearing some nice, zodiac buttons, mighty really wanted people to like bake him like a celebrity celebrity and like he basically was threatening to shoot children on school buses if they wouldn't like publish his details. And then at the news like, yeah, it'd be really nice if people started wearing like buttons with my ultra narcissist and we're in the seventies. So it's like people had buttons of Creole dead like Deadheads and shit, and he's like, I want zodiac killer buttons. To be popular just so fucked up so that obviously do not have right, which is not good for him. So in a letter postmarked June twenty-sixth, nineteen seventy, zodiac stated. He was upset that he didn't see people wearing zodiac buttons, and he wrote quote, I shot a man sitting in a parked car, and they believe he was referring to a murder of a sergeant named Richard ratatouille a week earlier who was writing a parking ticket in his car when he was shot in the head, God. And that murder remains unsolved. So over the next few months, the zodiac continues to send clues. He sends maps and symbols and like radio diagrams. And like just attempts to like identify who he is in like where his murders have taken place. Each time, he ends the letter with zodiac, twelve SF PD zero and so on just keeps increasing. So he gets like, zodiac or board, is he wanting? Yep, completely. It's like zodiac thirty just keeps going up. So in a letter to the San Francisco Chronicle postmarked July twenty fourth nineteen seventy. Zodiac takes credit for Kathleen John's abduction for months after the incident, and that was the woman who was pregnant in who so forms later he takes credit for that. And then in July, he paraphrase is a song from an opera called the Makoto and he adds his own lyrics who's getting real creative here God. So his lyrics are about making a little list, quote, unquote. Of the ways he planned to torture his slaves in paradise God. So he writes his own opera lyrics and rights that litter. And then he signs it with like a gigantic exaggerated, cross circles, zodiac symbol. And then at the bottom he writes, PS the mount Diablo code concerns, radiance plus inches along the radiance, and he had like drawn this creepy map of like the top of this mound called mount Diablo with like these lines and like degrees, and they were like, we don't know his bullshit or what. But so when he said that kind of clue, they went and looked at it and they found out that the radiant angle when placed over the map per his instructions pointed to the locations of two of his attacks, my gosh. So he had act like they were like always foolish shit, like he's just drawn creepy stuff and trying to make is making his own like maps factually. Been able to like to the degree on a map, like create puzzles. At which really freak them out, I think because they were like, oh, he's full of shit. Like he's just amping himself up to be like a celebrity, but like he's just full of it. But it turns out like when he sent that clue, they did it in. They were like, oh, no, it literally points to the exact latitude longitude of where he liked it. Two of them are so very creepy. And kind of made them take it a little more seriously, right, right, right. So on October seventh nineteen seventy the chronicle received a three by five inch cards signed by the with the symbol drawn in blood this time. Okay. Yeah. And the stolen know who's blooded is or where he got it. So that's good. The cards message was formed by pacing words and letters from an edition of the chronicle itself, and thirteen holes were punched across the top of the card detectives agreed. It was highly probable that it came from the soda. So now he's going like beyond fucking crazy and like cutting out letter, so extra just so like us if we were doing a murder mystery party, right? Like if we're partying, but he's like raging, like we're, we're doing it for fun drinking game doing it for a way. We're doing it for a podcast. We do everything for guys, right? Listen, that's. That's all we do. Okay. October twenty seven. Nine hundred seventy chronicle reporter Paul. Avery who had been covering this case receives a Halloween card saying what it's sign with the letter z, and the symbol of zodiac and handwritten on the card was the no. Peek, a boo who you are doomed. Oh, no. Worst fucking thing. You could ever receive my God, horror movie status. Oh my God in real life for this card real yes. In real life, not in movie life. The threat was taken seriously and received a front page story on the chronicle. And soon after saving the letter abor received another anonymous letter alerting him to the similarities between zodiacs activities and the unsolved murder of a woman named Sherry. Joe Bates which had occurred four years earlier in riverside in Los Angeles more than four hundred miles south of San Francisco. So there was like this anonymous letter that he received right after that saying like, hey, why don't you look into the similarities between all these murders and like in this random one, four hundred miles south. So he reports his findings, November sixteenth, nineteen seventy. And here is the story of Sherry. Joe Bates who was the victim of this story that was sent to? Okay. October. Thirtieth nineteen sixty six. Remember we're in nineteen seventy when he receives slurs so named sixty six eighteen year old. Sherry. Joe Bates a student of riverside, community college nerve aside California greater Los Angeles, spends the evening at the campus library annex until it closes at nine pm neighbors report hearing a scream around ten thirty and betas found the next morning. The short distance from the library between two abandoned houses slated to be demolished. The wires and her Volkswagen's distributor cap had been pulled out. She was brutally beaten and stabbed to death. A man's Timex watch with a torn. Wristband was found nearby and the watch had stopped at twelve twenty four am, but police believe the attack occurred much earlier. So a month later nearly identical typewritten letters were mailed to the riverside police, Neil identical to the desert EAC letters, our being mailed in San Francisco. The letters were called the confession. The author claimed responsibility for the Bates, murder, providing details of the crime that were not released to the public. And then warned that Bates quote is not the first and she will not be the last in nineteen sixty six. A poem was discovered, carved into the bottom side of a desktop new in the library of riverside college where she was spending on her evening, right? And the poem that was carved into the bottom of the desk was called sick of living, unwilling to die. And the poems language in handwriting was very similar to the letters and it was signed with the initials are h. so people were just like, what the fuck, like it's the same handwriting. It's the same, m the same. And then they got that letter being like, why don't you look into the similarities like? So they don't know. It's still unclear whether that murder was like related to the ones, but there's like a lot. He's suggesting that you look into it hints heavily something that's involve exactly something very creepy. So it's not for sure, but it's possible after another couple letters allegedly linking himself to other crimes in the area. I mean, truly, if you look at the Wikipedia, there's like ten more that are like, and he also could have been related to this. There's just so many. So after that disaster yet is silent for nearly three years -pletely off the mat then on January twenty ninth nineteen, seventy four. The chronicle receives another letter from the soda yak praising the exorcist, the movie, what as the best satirical comedy that I have ever seen? Oh, my goodness. Okay. Satirical spilled very wrong. But I can't imagine point and then a number of letters throughout the next coming years come in. A lot of them are hoaxes. I mean, because at that point it's like people are just jumping on this right bandwagon of wanting to be involved, but some are deemed authentic. And a lot of those are just like symbols and cryptograms that like don't really can't be solved or about like complaints about movies or other cultural references. There was one that was like this movie was so brutal. I couldn't stand it. It's like he just putting stabbed bright psycho. Yeah. It's so beyond comprehension, my God in April two thousand and four. The San Francisco police department Marquesa case inactive because they didn't know where to go from there and they were like, we're getting so many letters and so much pressure and the demands are so intense that they just closed the case. So before March. So around March two thousand seven. It's noted that they reopened the case, but nobody ever found out why they just never explained it. Tricky tricky, tricky, tricky, creepy, kooky. And here are just the quick theories about who could be one of the biggest ones is a managed Arthur Lee Allen, and this guy named Robert gray Smith wrote a book called zodiac, and he's one of the foremost experts on the topic, and he suggested that a man named Arthur Lee Allen was a potential sub suspect, but it was mostly circumstantial evidence. An Allen had been interviewed by police from the early days of the zodiac investigations. And was the subject of several search warrants over twenty years and grace. Muth who wrote the book noted that several police detective described Allen as the most likely suspect, but in twenty ten detective, Dave Tashi stated that all the evidence against Alan turned out to be negative. Okay, thanks, Dave. Thanks, Dave. So a lot of it was like this guy kind of went on like a hunch and then took a lottery circumstantial evidence. And the thing about this guy, this Arthur Lee Allen was he was an elementary school teacher, and he'd been accused of sexual misconduct with his elementary school. No, he was a pedophile and he was arrested and imprisoned for lewd sex acts on a twelve year old boy and nine hundred seventy two. So like he was not a good guy. And so like there was just a lot of the sky tied up into his story and was like, oh, this is him right? And this guy was like, yeah, I did all of these things that I've been accused of like the pedophilia stuff. He's in prison. He's like, but I wasn't zodiac like I didn't do that. So it's all circumstances beyond the stuff that he was actually huge as far as pedophilia stuff wolf. Okay. Yeah, so he was never conclusively tied and the lead detective was like, there was nothing we could pin on him like he got apparently a bunch of boxes of like his journals and handwriting, and he's like not one page of it. Looked like this Odia letters. We got like there's just a lot. I was like, it didn't match weird. So who knows asked for other possible suspects. It turns out a lot of people. Believe their stepdad's did it. People. Jail. A lot of people submitted like, no, I swear my stepdad is the one who did it, and a lot of people are a lot of moms or Marian wrong. Your kids, things that you married a serial killer lot of things going real wrong. The most convincing story, I thought theory at least was this one in February two thousand fourteen. It was reported that a man named Louis Joseph. Myers had confessed to a friend in two thousand one that he was his ODI. He was zodiac killer after learning. He was he was dying from sarosa the liver, and he requested that friend, Randy, Kenny, go to the police upon his death and when Myers died in two thousand to his friend tried to go to the police, but allegedly officers like wouldn't cooperate. And we're kind of like, okay, like we write it just didn't take it seriously. There are, however, a lot of potential connections between Myers and this Odia case. So. Myers attended the same high school as victims. David Faraday and Betty Lou. Oh, no. Also allegedly worked in the same restaurant as Darlene Farren the other victim. And he also had access to the same sort of military boot who's print was found at the lake Baria crime-scene which was like totally different crime scene from this other two. And Furthermore, during nineteen seventy-one nineteen nineteen seventy three when no letters were received by the police or the media, Myers was stationed overseas with the military. What happened to like lineup? Exactly. No way. And Kenny says that his friend, Myers confessed, he targeted couples because he had had a bad breakup with a girlfriend, like out of jealousy. Yeah, just like was like a breakdown or something and just like couldn't handle happy couples as because they all couple right. And we'll officer while officers associated with the kids are skeptical. They believe the stories, credible and. Investigate. So that's all this is online and I was like pre creepy. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. There's no more information on that theory which I was like, that's again. It's like all circumstantial. Like there's thing you can be like, yeah, he was out of town at that point, but that doesn't make him guilty. But right. It's very creepy. It's really weird very much lines up. Yeah, but I just want to take this moment to nouns that I do know what actually happened. Okay. What happened? The real, zodiac killer is Ted Cruz. Okay. Well, I mean that goes without saying. And I'm not alone well, no, not at all. According to a recent poll conducted by public policy, pulling thirty eight percent of Florida voters believe that it is possible that Ted Cruz is zodiac killer with ten percent. Sure that he is God. It is unknown whether the other six. Are you kidding to get through? Then whether the other sixty two percent have been confronted with a formal presentation of the evidence. Oh my gosh. Basically. Like if they looked at the facts, they would believe it to know the truth. Amazing. He's done very well for himself very weird which I was like, let's kinda fucked up that everyone says that. But then this is really interesting thing. Tim Faust and activists sold Ted Cruz, zodiac killer t. shirts to support a nonprofit that helps women in El Paso, Texas excess safe before dible borsch Ines. And he said, he's the theory on Twitter and founded to be quote, both interesting implausible. And he raised a lot of money to help women who are dealing with, you know, to help them access safe and affordable healthcare? Yeah, I thought it was really interesting. And I mean, if we're really talking about like, could it be possible? I mean no, because he was born in nineteen seventy. Well, I'll do it. He would have been negative infant years old native, but but one can dream, but listen, here's the other side of the coin. He never denied it. I mean to this day, you never were in a room and saw both about the same. That's all I'm saying act and I looked up to see whether he ever denied it after all these memes and everything. No, never denied it. Maybe he's time traveling now that is entirely possible in infant murdered. Yes, Yep. I think that's exactly what's happening. So all this being said, as of may twenty eighteen, I do want to add like all joking aside, there are some exciting updates, so you know how the Golden Gate killer was caught through genealogy website and Deanna. So in may of this year twenty teen the, he'll police department announced their intention to attempt to collect the zodiac killer's DNA from the back of stamps. That were used with the letter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they were able to like there's a new technology that is able to separate the DNA from the glue on this. Tampa has been like an issue until now. And so there's like a new. They have a new ability to like extract the DNA from the glue. Right? And so this analysis which will be done by private laboratories expected to use this new technique. And then they're hoping that zodiac killer may be caught in a similar fashion to the Golden State killer and like they have like a number of DNA sites twenty with. With that, they're going to like run through and they said, basically they build like a family tree off of the DNA and then are able to branch out and contact like specific people Razi. So that was in may. So we'll stay tuned fingers crossed. Knock on wood. See what happens. You know, it's worked before with a case that was seemingly impossible to solve Ryan, had exhausted all its means. So hopefully technology can help out with this. So that is the story of the zodiac killer. And I know kind of rush through that. I just I need this. I definitely definitely stole it stole the no good. It was a. It was an intense episode. I'm not a weird emotional ride right now like like, do much hit me at one time. Wild. We should probably do like a a rating each week of like, how intense is your fucking story than like, you know, balance. I promise I'll never do a story that was like way too much for me this. I can't promise that because I feel like it was the it was the really got me. Breath went really bash it really like ruined the rest of my night. Yeah, thank God. It didn't go off while it was like talking about Ted Cruz. 'cause I went up when you talk about Yvo for a very long time. Oh says, so we've sold solved the Misawa Mr. so so that's not on that. It is very important for me now a days to do a weekly horoscopes love it. Right. But yeah, it's the zodiac killer. Here's the thing. We don't know who's identity. Right. So did you do the whole, zodiac. No, no, but that's a good point. But so obviously, like he's like you said, the self proclaimed, zodiac, like of all fucking people we need to do on him. Right? So instead since they don't have the guy yet, I did the next best thing and I pulled up Ted Cruz. Horoscope. Barrett is yes. So here it is. Ted is a Capricorn. Okay. Just like my lovely husband to be. Yes. No comment. No comment here is the zodiac horse go. You may find people very stubborn today. So take care, Kappa corn arguments can explode out of nowhere. So get a helmet ready think before you act and don't feel pressured to get involved with something that makes you feel kind of uncomfortable. Remember sometimes it's okay to just walk away. No one will win, violent, boxing match. So maybe don't even get in the ring. I only heard that as if someone was warning blaze about a fight you guys are gonna get in. Please stay out of it. The second years. You don't have to be great on out like he doesn't even need more than one person to tell them. So yeah, I thought that was kinda creepy about violent boxing rings, yeah, down. So I'm hoping we can actually do an updated horoscope when we actually find out who the real zodiac killers. That'd be great. Definitely worth it. I didn't even add this, but a lot of people think it was the detective who was involved in like handling the case. He was misdirecting every because he was at the police department. Every time the letter came in, handled it every time. And so they said like they couldn't really do a DNA and also because he would like be right. And so there was a lot of that like or people started to suspect that he had something to do with it and whatever that meant like, who knows? But so that's one of the bigger theories that I didn't really get to touch on button also very. Man. Yeah. So there we are. There's not on that. We maybe our live. I don't know. I don't know. I would usually do the whole social media thing, but we've already just taken so much time AT. WW podcast. Just find us just Google, gives a little googles, figure it out on the googles man. Thank you guys for listening to us. And so sorry for everyone we've now emotionally physically scarred like me and Eva. Yes. Great. I'm afraid to go home, but. Hopeless. He is so okay by, oh, and that's why we drink. And that's doing thi- I need a drink for Ila.

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When a Democrat Meets a Republican (A Love Story)

Committed

12:38 min | 3 years ago

When a Democrat Meets a Republican (A Love Story)

"So last year, I took this huge leap and decided I would be a full-time, author and creator of great content. One of the things that has made me feel like less of a way big faker, phony fraud was getting professional business cards made and to do that I used vistaprint. Here's the best part about vistaprint. It was ten dollars. Vistaprint really wants to help you do something amazing for your business right now. And that's why our listeners will get five hundred high quality custom made business cards starting at nine ninety nine. All you have to do is use the code committed at vistaprint dot com committed at vistaprint dot com. So gene, Rick met the way that I imagine everyone meeting in the year nineteen seventy seven we met in the singing group that sings renaissance religious music on street corners and other public places in New York City. It's called the renaissance street singers. And it's a fairly exotic group, which is the only place these days that liberal could ever meet a conservative. You heard that? Right. Liberal and conservative. They met they fell in love, and they got married and on the eve of this wildly contentious election day. We wanted to bring you a short episode that proves love Ken cross the aisle. I'm Joe Piazza. This is committed. So I know we keep hearing that right now, we're in the most heated political times in American history. Well, the seventies worn exactly barefoot walk in the park. You know, it began with a Watergate and Nixon leaving and non there was stagflation. And it looked like the Soviet Union was on the March. They were sending Cuban armies to Africa and terrible, clothes and hair and haircuts on meant at the time. My husband had a mistake and sideburns as every penny. Rick was handsome real tall. Six four. He had his intense blue eyes he and met singing renaissance music. She didn't think he could possibly be a conservative. But he was and not just any conservative guy. Rick wrote for William Buckley and the national review. Now, gene was this very liberal psychoanalyst. The only Republican she knew was her father was a lot more liberal than you. But I grew up in Cincinnati, Ohio, which was one of the enclaves of the John Birch society. I didn't really make a distinction between saying conservatives in lunatics when they got married jeans mentor was the one who authored down the aisle according to wreck, and this is Rick's characterization of him. The guy was a communist he'd been a very good boss to genie. But he was a communist trail. Maybe not a member. He didn't need to pay dues. He did it all anyway, he'd lost his job at hundred college years earlier, when you know in the fifties they were cleaning reds out of the educational system. William F, Buckley, also attended the wedding as did Rick's other very conservative friends. One of the readings was given by my publisher, the publisher of national review, William rusher men. He'd worked for the Senate internal security subcommittee, which was intense on finding red cleaning tackling. Yeah. There were decent to each other at in at our wedding. And I think that set the tone for trying to learn to live with the other side, we had to learn it, though, really we had to let. When Jean Rick got married about twenty percent of couples in America. We're in a mixed political party marriage today that number's dropped below nine percent. Isn't an amazing. I mean, it really went down and probably sinking fast. Oh, yeah. So we're kind of vanishing breed. In nineteen eighty. Ronald Reagan was elected president Rick was beside himself with unbridled joy, I had to learn to contain my siphoned in a Reagan was a seventy year old, man. But he was representing a new force in politics. Much more conservative repented, new ominous type of great force. But it was new it was more political more ideological the issue that really has tormented me. I don't know if it's tweeted Rick's much is the pro-choice issue. I think that was the only actual time. I lost enough control the him fight with about it. It was when I don't know if you've ever was when was the Webster decision eighty nine that was the first real chink in the armor where the right started to dismantle abortion rights. And when I saw that in the New York Times, I was really devastated. What I said was my. God. This is the end I have to join a demonstration. Now, I'm not a demonstrator. This is really a serious thing. And Rick said if you March March. Recommend that they would be marching for different sides. So if you can imagine this was pretty terrible was saying it civilly now, we weren't uncivil, but we both enormously upset and to the point that we really didn't. Yeah. It was related to start by and at the end of day, we really hit a conversation to say, we can't do this. You know, we were so miserable felt so lonely because we're gonna have almost everything else in common. So this topic has to be off limits. Yeah. And I have to say, I think we've done pretty well. I know you give money to pro choice groups in you know, I give money to pro life groups, and we don't like flash the envelopes faces and then for other issues all the many many other issues we found that one way to talk about them is talking about them as horse races. To make their marriage work. Jean-ann wreck of come up with even more rules. All marriages have rules. Some of them. Just go unspoken. Rick and Jean have to speak. There's out loud. There is this one time when one of genes bosses actually called Rick crypto not say to our face, and I lost it. I was really outraged and I didn't control it. I mean screaming demand that I said that's a serious accusation. It's a defamation. And it's not true. And I don't want you to say anything like that. But my husband, I feel very strongly that this is something that everyone ought to do in a mixed relationship. Whether it's with a friend or a colleague or certainly a spouse is never allow another person in public who happens to agree with you to to dis- them. Yes. You have to stick up for them. Yes. I think it should be part of the marriage, vows defend defend your mate in public. I think music is an excellent corrective for political differences. If you happen to have similar tastes in music. It can go a long way if you visit. And we can I really do and we still sing with renaissance group by the way at Christmas. Defend your mate in public. Don't let anyone Desam. Pick your battles. And here's one last word of advice for a cross party relationship. People your bedroom is not a voting booth. But you know, it has voting booth voting booth. And I want you to get in one in the next twenty four hours vote early, but not often I don't care who you're voting for as long as you out. Jeannie, the first gift you ever gave me do you? Remember what it was gosh. I don't you got me of all of the poems of WBZ aids. And you particularly wanted to give it to me because one of his very last power. Yes. Which is called politics. Can you quote it? Yes. I can next week credit. Think about it. He wrote this poem on the eve of World War Two, and he wrote how can I that girl? Standing there my attention fix Russian or on Roman for on Spanish politics yet. Here's a travelled, man. That is read and thought, and here's a politician. That knows what he's about. And maybe what they say is true of war wars l'armee. But oh that I was young again and held her in my arms. Fervor mission on where and how vote Goto G T T, P dot voting info project dot org. That's G T T, P dot voting info project dot org. This episode was hosted and reported by Jo Piazza especial. Thanks to Dr Jeannie safer, and Richard Brooke to hear more from Dr g safer checkout her podcast. I love you. But I hate your politics. It was produced edited by Ramsey and Tyler clang with mixing just in mcnew, executive producers are Joe Piazza Mangum had took her Wilkerson and Christopher house. Yoda's theme song and music by Tristan McNeil with performance by the renaissance street. Singers for comments suggestions are part of the show. Give us a call at four zero four nine nine six one one seven three that's four zero four nine nine six one. One seven three can also grab a copy of Joe's new book, Charlotte Walsh likes to win on Amazon or wherever books are so committed. Jo Piazza has been a production of the how stuff works family producer city is located in Atlanta, Georgia. So last year, I took this huge leap and decided I would be a full-time, author and creator of content. 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Ease your transition back to work

Before Breakfast

05:38 min | 2 years ago

Ease your transition back to work

"For small business owners, or people who produce their own podcasts, being plugged, in and prepared when an opportunity comes up is crucial those moments happen all the time. And having a business card that shows how professional you are. Ready to hand out is the first step to making something happen with vistaprint, you can create a truly professional unique card in minutes. Upload your own design or start with a professionally designed option receive your cards in as few as three days. Vistaprint wants you to be able to own the now in any situation, which is why our listeners will get five hundred high quality custom business cards starting at nine ninety nine just go to vistaprint dot com slash breakfast. That's vistaprint dot com slash breakfast. Welcome to before breakfast. A production of iheartradio. Good morning. This is Laura welcome to the before breakfast podcast. Today's tip is about how to ease your transition back to work after vacation vacations are great. But when you step away from work for a while the work doesn't exactly stop while you're gone. Indeed enough of it can pile up that you feel like you're spending the first day or two just bailing floodwater out of your boat. It might be comforting to know that this is not a new phenomenon. It happened long before Email. I recently read Eleanor Roosevelt, self-help book, you learn by living and she mentioned that whenever she traveled the male would follow her yet when she returned from a trip. She'd still have to work late to deal with all her correspondence, snail mail Email. It doesn't matter. People have always felt behind still there are few things you can do to ease your transition back to work after. Vacation. I consider leaving your out of office Email on for an extra day. I think it's silly to expect instantaneous responses to Email. But if you work in that sort of environment, at least this buys you some extra time before the expectation start. However, you might also consider not treating your inbox as the first thing needing your attention much of it is probably no longer relevant. Instead, go talk to your colleagues, if you've been gone for a while it's polite to go say, Hello, anyway. But you can use this chat to ask a simple question. What did I miss this immediately gets you caught up on what's still matters in a way that reading an Email chain from last Tuesday, probably will not. You might consider not setting any truly consequential meetings on that first day, open space, gives you time to get caught up and also to prepare for what's happening in the future. If you have a big pitch meeting on the Monday, your back, you'll definitely be thinking about it on vacation, and that can ruin the. Five if it's on Wednesday though, you can deal with it upon return. So what should you schedule for the first day back? We'll, how about lunch with a work friend or two, whose company you really enjoy this can help remind you what you like about your job, which can be a good thing to keep in mind. If you're coming off vacation high as for the stuff on the home front, this might sound crazy. But unless your family is completely out of socks you don't have to start laundry, the second you get back. You don't have to go to the grocery store and then cook for the week either just order take out and pushed the laundry forward a day or two. Instead, use the time after you get back from your break. But before you start work the next morning to relax right down in a cool, memories or ideas, you had while gone, and then get to bed on time when you get enough sleep, then you can take on the world. How do you eat your transition back to work after vacation, let me know at before breakfast podcast at I heart media dot com. In the meantime, this is Laura. Thanks for listening. And here's to making the most of our time. Hey, everybody. I'd love to hear from you. You can send me your tips, your questions or anything else. Just connect with me on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram at before breakfast pod. That's be the number four then breakfast p o d you can also shoot me an Email at before breakfast podcasts at I heart media dot com that before breakfast is spelled out with all the letters. Thanks so much. I look forward to staying in touch. Before breakfast is a production of iheartradio. For more podcasts from iheartradio. Visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Listeners. Do you love food? I sir. Do Mark Murphy celebrity chef and restaurant areas. New podcast food. Three sixty is a true celebration of the topic with a little help from historians fellow chefs food, writers and more Mark examines food culture from every possible angle. Shedding new light on even the most familiar culinary, topics hill. 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Why All Retirees Should Consider an Income Annuity

Money For the Rest of Us

29:34 min | 1 year ago

Why All Retirees Should Consider an Income Annuity

"Walk into money for the rest of us. This is a personal finance. Show on money how it works. How to invest it and how to live without worrying being about it? I'm your host David Stein. Today's episode to seventy nine it's titled Why all retirees should consider income annuities. I get a lot of questions about retirement. Here's an example. A member money for the rest of US plus that should would after retirement portfolio be structured different from the savings phase portfolio. Got An email today from a listener. Yes about one point. Two million dollars in assets. He's fifty four about four hundred thousand in the stock market half a million dollars in certificates of deposits and is considering taking some of that money in CD's and putting it in a ladder portfolio of individual bonds this would be a portfolio where you have bonds that mature in one year two years three four or an honored individual bonds finally got an email from a member who asked about annuities given that they have no children no no debt. They don't want to leave an inheritance to anyone. Their primary goal is not run out of money before they die he asked. Should we put all of our assets assets into annuities in order to maximize our ability to spend while reducing risk during retirement. Clearly how we invest and what we do with our money when we're retired is different during the accumulation phase when we were just seeking to save enough and earn a decent return so we have have enough to retire. Police do we do with his nest egg once retired. I came face to face with this during being the great financial crisis in two thousand eight. We were managing portfolios for financial planners as one of our lines of business and in the fall. Aw of two thousand eight. I went out and met with the clients of one of these financial planners this was in Baltimore. We managed a stock portfolio. Anna Bond Portfolio for this client and the advisor would allocate mostly retirees into these portfolios typically. It was fifty percent stocks Fox on average and so these retirees came filing in to this meeting was held in the evening and they looked shell shocked act their portfolios. Were Down Twenty five the thirty percent they were fearful and as I spoke to them I tried to shit calm them. Let them know things. We're going to work out but at the same time I recognize that just investment tools isn't going to work how is retiree supposed to stomach fifty to sixty percent drop in the stock market. I spent five five months. Researching retirement income strategies different ways to go about it in at the end of that time I wrote a white paper in. Here's what I wrote. We believe many retirees are underestimating the risk of depleting personal savings during retirement the probabilities of retirement ruin can change dramatically based on market return patterns. What's often called now? Sequencer return risk and inflation over a thirty five year. Retirement entering retirement knowing there is even a ten percent probability of prematurely depleting personal savings when that is the primary source of retirement. Income is imprudent there are too many unknowns that can potentially lead to catastrophic outcomes most retirees with homes wooden think of going without fire insurance yet the probability of their house catching on fire over a thirty year period is only one percent much less than the probability a retirement ruined for many retirees just as retirees protect against fire theft and other risk ask by purchasing insurance they should also protect against longevity and other retirement income risk by making sure the majority thirty of their retirement income sources are guaranteed. What are these guaranteed retirement? Income sources defined benefit if it pension plans with less than ten percent of retirees have security or other government sponsored retirement programs and income annuities sometimes called immediate annuities a product. I knew nothing about when I started that research. That was over ten years ago and I've mentioned income annuities on the podcast. I've assisted family members and shopping bring in purchasing annuities. But it wasn't until I recently read a book by retirement researcher. Wait foul that I was reminded. How important in this guaranteed income is we can get through annuities per funding retirement? The book is titled Safety First Retirement an integrated approach approach to worry free. Retirement reading a book. Even if it's a familiar topic can reinforce points. You might have forgotten. You can look at a topic from a fresh perspective. That's what vows book did to me. Twenty hope my book money for the rest of US ten questions to master successful investing does for you and and for those. You might give a copy to this holiday season. We're GONNA dig into some of the lessons from his book and what I've learned over the years about retirement income as a better way to structure retirement portfolios. It's a safety first. Approach versus a probability based approach before we explore income annuities and more detail. Let me share some words one of this week sponsors vistaprint last week. I got a package from vistaprint. We ordered some cards made out of recycled paper with the money for the rest of US logo that I could put in copies of my book. That giveaway away. They looked great. vistaprint not only gives you the ability to order cards for specialized needs like with my book but you can also order order holiday cards. It's simple to do you pick a shape like a square or rounded corner folded flat. Then choose one of vistaprint's designs. They've they've got everything from fun and festive gorgeous. eye-catching looks next. You can put your favorite picture right there on most of the options even upload load great shot right from your phone then just figure out how many you need in order them with time to spare. vistaprint has hundreds of car designs from timeless classics to Fund New Trends. So this season make more Mary at vistaprint DOT COM with up to fifty percent off all holiday cards and photo. Oh calendars plus great deals on photo gifts at vistaprint DOT com. Just enter Promo Code. David fifty that's vistaprint dot Com Promo Code David D. A. V. I. D. Fifty Five Zero offer expires January fifth. What then is a safety first? Retirement here's what foul says in his book safety. I advocate support a more bifurcated approach to building building retirement income plants that integrates investments with insurance providing lifetime income protections and. That's what I described in my retirement. Income paper paper immediate annuities income annuities. And we'll look to see how those are structured regarding a probability based approach. Here's what foul rights writes probability based advocates generally view annuities and life insurance as unnecessary retirement. They see the stock market as a straightforward way to obtain superior retirement outcomes probability based approach focus on spending rules. What's a sustainable spending rate? The four percent rule or other ways of going about it foul writes in fact. The general view of safety I advocates is that there is no such thing as a safe withdrawal rate such as the four percent rule from volatile portfolio. A truly truly safe withdrawal rate is unknown and unknowable. Instead what safety I advocates do they risk pool using insurance and the benefit of that is it requires less assets to cover your lifetime if time spending amount it as foul points out effectively reduces the potential overall cost retirement less money because of these income annuities. How do they work? Then it's a contract with an insurance company you give the Insurance Company Company. A lump sum the premium and the insurer promises to pay a specific periodic dollar amount usually monthly for the rest of the the retirees life and depending on the contract the lifetime of their surviving spouse. Generally they're set up as a level payment but but you can get them with a cost of living adjustment. I wrote in the paper with an immediate annuity. The retiree eliminates longevity risk market risk and if desired inflation risks if an index annuity is purchased when we are using a probability pretty based retirement approach trying to figure out how we should invest all our funds. What the spending rate should be we have to plan for for extreme events? We're GONNA live to be ninety five or one hundred and that market returns will be below low average but income annuities because you're sharing risk among a group of retirees. You can plan. Based on an average life expectancy ency an average returns. Here's how foul describes it with risk pooling. One does not need to plan for the very expensive case of an an extremely long life combined with poor market returns instead the retiree pays and insurance premium that will provide a benefit to support spending if those risks materialize and retirement becomes more expensive and unprotected investment full it may otherwise deplete insurance companies these can pool sequence and longevity risk across a large base retirees allowing for retirement spending that is greater than the a sustainable withdrawal rate from investments for someone self managing these risks. You get more bang for your buck with an income. Become the annuity. How long can you expect to live? There's a study by the TRANSAMERICA Center for retirement studies that was was released in December. Two Thousand Eighteen was title how today's retirees are financially fairing in retirement. And one of the questions was. How long do you think you'll live? Or what did you assume in retirement plans that you would die now. No one knows. The median was aged ninety. Although fifty two percent said they they weren't sure here's what actual studies show. This is from a website called longevity. Bill Straighter Dot Org and they compare pair smokers and non-smokers with excellent average and poor health both females and males. A female with excellent health nonsmoker. Fifty percent chance of surviving to age ninety twenty five percent chance of surviving to age ninety six and ten percent age one. Oh One. A male nonsmoker with excellent health fifty percent chance of surviving to age eighty eighty seven twenty five percent chance of surviving to age ninety four and ten percent chance of surviving to ninety eight. Those are the life expectancies. If for using a probability based approach that we should use in planning out of retirement trying to eke out those returns turns exclusively from an investment portfolio will be very difficult to do what foul recommends and what I recommend in that retirement paper is essentially an asset liability approach. There's a table in fouls book. He shows assets that we have clearly the most retirees have financial assets checking accounts brokerage account retirement plans. They have social capital. Social Security. Medicare air company. Pensions in other words. Somebody else is providing that income stream. We have home equity and we have human capital the ability he to work into our retirement years perhaps part time another asset that we could have that most people don't have less than ten percent retirees rely on some type of annuity but that could be an asset now the liabilities ladies our future payments that we have for essential living needs taxes perhaps debt repayment. But we have essentials and then we have discretionary travel and leisure lifestyle improvements. There are contingencies long-term care healthcare other spending shocks that Transamerica studies showed the biggest concern or worry that retirees have is declining health that requires long-term care. Forty seven percent retirees list of that as one of their greatest fears the yet only ten percent. You have any type of long term care insurance. We're not going to talk about long Term Care Insurance in this episode but that is a potential liability out there contingency that we need to plan for some how other healthcare or spending shocks or potential liability and then legacy leaving something to our family or community and society we have these assets and we have those liabilities. This safety first approach is to cover. You're you're essential living needs with guaranteed income social security pension income annuities. Now we could as the one listeners asking about we could self. Annuity is by having a bond ladder. Bonds be at municipal bonds or regular bonds individual bonds that as they mature they cover are essential expenses or some of those expenses. But you don't benefit from the risk pooling what are known as mortality credits. The fact that you get additional payments because income annuities are based on the average outcome. Sure the insurance company is investing primarily in the bond market generally they can earn higher returns than us because they have a much longer time horizon. And they're not having to do a ladder bond per folio but we could sell the new ties but we can get a higher payout if instead of doing that we cover those essential expenses with social security or your particular governments retirement plan a pension defined benefit. Plan if you happen to have that an income annuity and by doing that. We can invest the rest of our assets aggressively. If we have our essentials covered do guaranteed income sources then our remaining assets can be invested stood more stocks are more aggressively because we were not subject to that sequence of return risk before we look at how much income annuities pay out. Let me pause and share some words from this week sponsors. It's already December and as much as we love getting seasonal. This month can be a bit stressful. We've all got a a long list of things to do for the holidays. If Life Insurance is one of those things way down on your list policy genius might be able to help you cross it off. They'll find mind you the right life insurance at the best price and do all the work to help you get covered policy. Jeans makes finding the right life insurance of breeze in minutes you can compare quotes from the top and shores to find your best price you can save fifteen hundred dollars more a year by using policy genius to compare life insurance policies once. You apply the policy. Do you. 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That's the annual payment divided by. How much is put into the annuity? Now we recognize that those that die. I soon weren't GonNa get all that money back but if you live longer than average expected you'll continue to do that. Annuities are priced based on the average the average life expectancy interest rates are lower now than they were in two thousand eight and because the insurance company is investing these premiums they will oh have less of a pail because rates are lower. Now we might say why. I don't want to invest in annuity now because rates could be higher in the future. But if we're taking a safety first approach when it's time to retire. It makes sense to buy an annuity because we don't know of rates are GonNa fall further or potentially actually people are just gonNa live longer and insurance companies won't make as high a payment because life expectancies are increasing. What if cancer was dramatically secured? One way we can mitigate that is to buy a series of annuities perhaps one to fund are essential expenses when we first retired and one five or ten years later. One reason people are afraid or reluctant to a US income. Annuities is because they don't like to see their account balance go down. They feel like they're giving up liquidity by take several four hundred thousand dollars and give it to an insurance company. Yes they're gonNA pay me on a monthly basis. But I don't get to see that amount in my account anymore anymore. But as we saw with the asset liability approach an annuity is an asset. We can value it. We can look at it and foul. How does this look at the payment stream assuming you live to a hundred? What is the present value or the value of that income stream today and you can use? In his case he uses a three percent discount rate. Assuming that's what the insurance company is earning but you could value on that those that pursue a probability based retirement are not as liquid as they think. Here's what foul rights retirees are free to reallocate their assets. In any way they I wish but the assets are not truly liquid because they must be preserved to meet the spending goal assets cannot be double counted and while retiree could decide to use these acid for another purpose. Doing so would jeopardize the ability to meet future spending in this sense. Assets are not as liquid quid as they appear so we need to get over the psychological hurdle that our account balance will go down because we bought an annuity it is still an asset. A very valuable asset and using these income annuities can make the overall cost of retirement lower because we don't have to plan for extreme events poor returns poor sequence of returns and living beyond age one hundred which by extreme isn't necessarily bad. Some people want to live that long another concern about an income. Annuity is what. If the insurance earns company defaults. There are several ways to protect against that. Buy An annuity. From a mutual insurance company that is owned owned by the policy holders so they're not beholding to Wall Street or the stock market they're owned by the policy holders and they have a very high if not the highest highest rating by an insurance rating service. Such as a m best. Don't buy an income. Annuity based on whatever insurance companies paying the highest amount. Base it on the Insurance Company that you have the most confidence in because they have the highest rating and they've been around for the longest time. In addition Russian individual states in the United States have insurance pools to protect if an annuity company default on the annuity. It is extremely rare. Only a couple of cases over the past few decades and they were not by any means the highest rated insurance company back on that liquidity issues sometimes retirees. They don't want to give up all his assets and what they died within the first few years and so they get a guaranteed certain period. So they'll lease get if died at least get ten years worth of payments that will go to whoever their beneficiaries this shares it results in a lower payout when I buy an annuity. I'm comfortable and not having that guaranteed term because again I'm looking at added as an asset with a certain role to protect against longevity so k. because there's other ways to fund benefits for my airs. I could buy a life insurance policy to do that. Another consideration if you just love to invest you. Don't I want to give up some of that. Opportunity to invest by buying a income. Annuity is what if our cognitive abilities ladies decline. We're not able to invest like we Co.. We just don't have the skills to do so maybe we get dementia. An income. Annuity can protect attacked against that. Because we're not so dependent on our investment portfolio that survey of how today's retirees. These are financially faring by the TRANSAMERICA Center for retirement studies had some sobering statistics. Thirty six percents of retirees has seen their personal financial situation declined since entering retirement and here is a shocking figure. fifty-six percent retired sooner than they they had planned. Fifty four percent was employment related. They lost their job. There was an organizational change at their place of employment. They were unhappy happy with the job now. Eleven percent took a retirement incentive or bio forty seven percent retired earlier than plan because of have health related or family reasons they had to become a primary caregiver or their own health. Only eleven percent retired sooner than and expected because they found that saved enough money it could afford to retire early now while fifty six percent retired sooner than they they had planned nine percent retired later than they had planned seventy five percent. It was financial related. They needed the income they hadn't saved saved enough for retirement now. There was also a healthy percentage. That enjoy their work and wanted to stay active and keep their brain alert continuing to work in retirement. It's a great thing and we should hopefully do that in a job that we enjoy that we can give back to through the community. But we don't want to be in a position that we can't retire because we haven't saved enough or forced to retire and then not have have enough and the best solution. I know to help overcome that. Our immediate annuities income annuities. They're a great tool and I said I knew nothing about them and I'm going to use it in my retirement for sure because I like the idea of being able to better maximize my necessary because I am offloading that longevity risk and market risk to the insurance company. I don't have to plan for extreme events I can plan for the average outcome and cover basic needs with guaranteed income. It's a safety first approach and it makes retirement planning so much easier now if you have a pension plan with with social security or other guaranteed sources maybe. You don't need an income annuity but most of us do need some type of nudity and file in his book goes into great detail on all other types of annuities variable annuities other insurance Sheri- products such as universal life. Whole life he prices and now he goes through all the math but at the end of the day? The income annuity plain vanilla income annuity without any writers is the most effective tool. 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How To Ask Better Questions with Laura Beil

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How To Ask Better Questions with Laura Beil

"Welcome back to the artist charm podcast. I'm unfortunately a little under the weather. I'm also hey jay and I'm johnny. It's been a crazy week this week. Johnny Yeah you know what. It's been awhile since you've stepped foot into a classroom. Hasn't it yeah. It's been a little while we had a chance to give a talk at UCLA which was a lot of fun three things. I Wish I learned learned in college. Yeah and how did you feel the young men and women. who were there enjoyed it? Oh it was a lot of fun and I wish I could actually go back to school. It definitely jog my fond memories of college. Well you can certainly go back and I can come with you. Yeah well we'd love to talk on your college campus. So if you're interested in having me your your johnny ought to give a talk go ahead hit up. Aj at the artichoke DOT COM. This is the order charm. podcast show where we bring you actionable. 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Also we're now doing corporate training so if you're interested in having our team including myself and AJ coming to your office to work on team building conflict resolution Lucien and networking send us an email at Aj at the arbitron dot com and remember. A Happy Office is a productive office. Take your life and career to the next x level now just before we start the show. We'd love to take an opportunity to reach out to our audience members who work in the psychology field. Either as a psychologist or therapist. We have some interesting interesting projects were working on. And we'd love your input. You can drop me a line at Aj at the charm dot com. Thanks everyone for tuning in. And today we have Acuna episode road with Laura Beale. Now it's one thing to tell a story when it's all said and done but what if that story is still ongoing and there are many contemporary sources sources that well contradict each other. Then it's up to you to get the facts straight and turn that into a story that is compelling and having Laura with us today is an amazing Opportunity Eight at investigative journalism and Research to storytelling her investigative podcast. Dr Death has been download over fifty million times and it covers. There's a crazy story about a neurosurgeon. who was terrorizing and literally killing? His patients enter new podcast. Bad Batch is currently only one of the most successful podcasts. On one day Laura is a frequent contributor to the New York Times Science News. Men's health and many other publications impact. She's had more than twenty years of experience writing about health and science before she added podcasting tour skillset. Bad Batch is very interesting. I mean if I had to if I knew you what I know about stem cell research from the articles I see my news feed. They seem to work for everything. I'm not getting them anytime soon. ATMA ATMA yet. Welcome to the show so great to have you with us today. Laura congratulations on the two fantastic podcasts. Very exciting I know Johnny and I had a chance to enjoy both are fascinating stories some terrifying stories about modern medicine here in the US and we would love to know obviously being a medical journalist for over twenty years. What got you into podcasting? And how'd you decide to make that jump. Well that's an easy question to answer. I didn't actually go to podcasting podcasting in came to me. I started out my newspapers. I worked a long time for the Dallas Morning News but then about ten years or so. I've been a print journalist and I was perfectly happy being a print journalist and then wonder called me and asked if I would be interested in telling the story of Christopher dench and I hadn't heard of Wendy I I'd heard the Christopher dench living here in Dallas. It's easy but I had not heard of Wendy so I was a little skeptical at first print journalist. Are you sure you want you want me to tell the story ahead. You've been listening to many podcasts. Before that were you familiar with the the platform. No I hadn't listened Hardly any any listen to serial. I hadn't listened to once I took the job to do Dr Death. I started listening to them but I actually had not so my audio experience was just as has a public radio listener and in terms of assembling that story Dr Death obviously in the news. Widely publicized story but the PODCAST goes Couple levels deeper. How did you start that journey putting together such a crazy story? Yeah there had been there had been a lot of good coverage here. Luckily there had been in the Dallas Morning News. Local paper had covered it. D. Magazine had done a big cover story on it. which is where the doctor death name comes from so I knew there had been really good reporting on it and of course the TV cameras? Cover the the trial. But the reason I decided to do the story he is because I felt like there were people who were complicit in the events that had not been held accountable and that it really. It wasn't a story about Christopher Dente. It was a story about our healthcare system. And so that's the story. I thought had not been told so I wanted to spend more time first of all talking about who he was. But then if you'll notice the podcast is really in two parts. The first part the first parts are really about him and then about the individual but then the last part of it is you get more and more into story it really becomes more of a story of the systemic failures that allowed him to keep operating arraigning yet. Thou certainly apart I found really fascinating was just how many people knew this was going on but did not even try to stop it right in your podcast journey. What was the sort of the underlying undertone of why so many great people in medicine we think of people people in medicine is trying to help us with let something like that? Go on you know. I can't answer that completely because I think there were a lot of different factors that allowed it to go on on. I think that in some ways some people it was hard to tell like. It was hard to connect all the dots. That's why there were people like Randy Kirby who worked across different in hospitals and he. He knew the pattern that this that he was really. You know terrible. I'd like to think that maybe the hospital administrators. I didn't realize how bad he was that they would have. Just let him go but clearly there were failures and they were failures all around. He should have been stopped at the first places. AC started operating he should have been stopped in residency in. Oh he he should never have left Memphis as a neurosurgeon. So there were there were failures at at every single level. That's why at the end. I kind of compare it to a plane crash. I mean that you know so many things have to go wrong at the same time. And that's that's how we got to that. And obviously that's a terrifying story and here we are with the second podcast bad batch which is also pretty terrifying story about the medicine especially stem cell research and its push into the mainstream and how people are now starting to buy into this. This idea of stem cell therapies. which has you explained so well in the podcast is unchartered territory? And there's a lot of false promises and a lot of wreckage that goes along with. Yeah I I wanted to. After Dr Death I started thinking about. What's the next what's another story? I want to tell and I have to say my inbox was. I was pretty overwhelmed with lots of other really bad doctors. It was Kinda depressing. Like oh we'll have you heard about this person in but I didn't WanNa tell that story again Dr Death Part Too. I mean like here's another bad doctor. I felt like the point had been made with breath with Dr Death that you know bad doctors get passed around and it was gratifying to me. I think it did make difference. I heard from a lot of medical school. All administrators hospital administrators. Other doctors nurses people in in and out of operating rooms. WHO said this really has has made me rethink speaking up? I was really happy about that. And maybe the it made a difference because nobody wants to be complicit in the next doctor her death and that this could happen so I didn't want to tell that story again and stem cell story had been one that I've long long long had an interest in and especially especially Texas has very lax stem cell laws that allow clinics to proliferate even before Dr Death this had been a story that I've been watching and wanting to tell and then this incident happened in our state where this batch of cells almost killed people so I thought that will be needed a narrative vehicle to be able to for people to understand to hang the story off up. Certainly they're not the only questionable actors actors out there but but I thought this would give me a good vehicle to tell the story so once that happened. I thought we'll look at what this particular incident says about Out The entire industry. And can you talk a bit about your process behind creating bad batch especially because I feel like there's so much promise in stem cells els and the medical community is not necessarily open to telling these stories a failure and when things are not working and having disastrous results how are able to to build trust and get people to open up about the story. It would be a lot easier if I can say. Oh it stem cells are just. They're really terrible all the time. But there's there's a lot of complexity to it because there is a lot of promise to it it'd be easy if it was all just a big scam but it's not that made it a lot a lot more difficult to tell. The try to tease is out. I wanted to ease into the story because I also didn't want to be disrespectful to all the people out there who tried stem cells and who may have been unhelped by stem cells who believe they were helped either through the placebo effect or because there might have been something in the shot that we don't understand yet so I I didn't want to be disrespectful. Awful to them either so I was really juggling a lot of different parts to try to to follow through with a narrative age. I just saw an instagram hovers. Did he go to a holiday photo. Shoot that's right. We took him to get his photos taken for the holidays. And we're excited. Because our new sponsor vistaprint's the prince could help me put it on a card right arm. Whatever reaction you're looking for this holiday you can spread more joy with custom holiday cards counters and photo guests from vistaprint threat? 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The negative results share the things. That aren't working because exactly that. We don't want to rain on the stem cell parade because there are areas where it is impacting. People why I wanted to tell the story. Is I think right now. Most of the information about stem cells in the retail market is coming from the people who want to sell well it to them and so I wanted more a more informed discussion about stem cells. But if you listen to the podcast and you still wanna try stem cells in you understand the unknowns and you understand the science or the lack of science that is that is something that you absolutely absolutely can can obviously do. I'm not trying to discourage that. I'm just trying to discourage an informed discussion I think with media in general the narrative has been that stem cells are silver bullet. We hear about athletes all the time getting these treatments therapies and bouncing back. And it's pretty easy. When you're in a situation medically that seems seems like there's no hope in sight to latch onto something as fantastic stem cells in hopes that it'll work? I'll tell you the thing that I think the podcasts Chesa from what. I've heard that was really most shocking to people I mean the lack of science behind it but the huge profits that are being made. I don't think that was really that's really understood by people who are buying it. I know that the people who were hurt by the stem cells. They didn't know until way afterward afterward that it's very cheap to make but this is very cheap to manufacture they thought you have to pay five thousand dollars a shot because it's so cutting edge and so expensive you've and the profit margins. I think we're not really clear until this podcast. They were not really laid out the money. That doctors are making the money that the companies are making and yet how how cheap it is in assembling a story like this in the podcast format ormat and getting people to agree to give you the information in open up How's that been different than doing the print journalism that you've done previously? I have to say audio interviews are are different to do. It's something I'm still learning how to do. You know most of the time you have one shot because it's it's harder harder to to do. I can't follow up on the phone seeing have to really make each interview count and that's been something that's taken getting used to. Sometimes it means asking the same question over and over again in a different way. Prodding people along What did this tell me again? What this particular Giller incident felt like what did you see? What did it smell like like really those sensory details to try to draw people out an audio that so much more important Martin because people are telling stories in their own voice? I would assume that when it comes to recording and being on the record so to speak where they know that their the voice in the interview is going to be used in. The podcast is a little different than a piece that you right. That's in your voice that pulls some quotes. Do you have any techniques or tactics to get people the warm up to you in open up on the show so that they can divulge the information. You're looking for to create that story. It depends who I'm interviewing. I tried to be not the most careful and the most sensitive always when you're talking to patients or victims. I try to let them guide the interview. I try to let them go to the extent that they are comfortable. And if I have to push them for detailer I have to prison for something. I try to very gently. I always in every story. Even a print story only try to include as many details As are necessary to tell the story and no further like I don't WanNa tell extra details just because of the salacious nature of them for agent. We've done so many interviews and things like that from doing this show and and our careers. At the time and every time that I had went back second would read something of an interview that I had done without the context of being in that room. You're reading it objectively like well. That wasn't nearly as funny as I thought it was. When I was was in that room? So even for these folks who are not use to this to go back maybe to listen to the show or to read an interview that you had done misconstrued misconstrued in any sort of way I mean the the the repercussions of that can be just awful right and sometimes there are things that people say a even though they're saying it on the record even though they know that you're talking to a reporter there's nothing like the underhanded about it but I quite often have people say things that I know. They would not want me to publish and I know that they would not want me to us and I just I don't I don't do it even though maybe it might be fair. Game journalistically I A I. Couldn't I couldn't do it. Because they don't understand. Maybe some to how they how things could be misconstrued or you know you put this detail in there and somebody's GonNa take that wrong or this quote somebody can take it wrong like what you mean. I know what they mean but I realized that people might not understand you know something so even even after the fact I'm always super careful with patient interviews emmys and that's quite refreshing. I think in the world that we're living in now with all the technology and all these different platforms what we tend to see a lot of are the people people going for these gotcha moments or the or the the sound bite. That is going to make everyone lose it and everyone is just so focused on those things. The we're losing the elements were losing the touch. And even you know it's funny even listeners. Though will will do that I understand. I didn't quite appreciate eight. It how much people would really zoom in on this. But if you've listened to bad bad she known the first episode one of the victims finds the other Vici he finds the other victims. And this is a seminal moment in this story because if that had not happened if if one of the people who was affected had not found the others I and connected the dots and put together there. was something really terrible. A larger thing going on these infections would have continued. You know they would have kept on. Because they had occurred before this and people didn't know because they were scattered and not connected and they would have they would have gone on for who knows how long and people might have died and so the fact that she found these other people was really pivotal moment. That probably saved lives uh-huh and yet there were people who said rightly will her getting information about other patients. That's a hippie violation and yes it it is a hip knee and hip or something. We should take very seriously. And and those laws were there for a reason and patient privacy and I completely believe in patient privacy privacy but you know the fact that she found these other people was a major good event and if it involved the hippo violation I understand why you would get upset about it but I can't believe that what she did was was wrong with the value that you're giving out with these these cases and exposing this stuff and getting people to understand what was going on. There's always the person who's sitting there listening. So they can find any story or any quip that they can point to. I mean I can't believe what this this story that you guys have put out and exposing all this and showing people. What's it's going on and yet there? It is the hippo violation like this the whole show. And that's what you got out of it. Yes I sometimes get caught on the wrong details and obviously being a medical journalist and investigative journalists what degree of skepticism around in the modern healthcare system is appropriate for those who are not journalists. You're listening to these podcasts. In horror hearing these stories of you know thinks gone and Terribly Awry and people in the medical community sort of you know turning the other way and letting it go on. Yeah I I hear people who tell me Oh I after I listened to your stories. I'm afraid to go the doctor. This is not the takeaway I believe. I'm around a lot of doctors in my job. I can tell you that the vast just majority of doctors by a long shot are good people who wanna take care of their patients so you should not be afraid to go to the go to the doctor and not think that your doctor doesn't have your best interest in mind. I happen to like in buyer doctors so that's not the takeaway I do think there's one. There's one kind of theme of these two stories. It is about being informed as to the extent that you can. I mean it's also a theme of patients needing to educate hate themselves. And maybe they're not gonNA go dig through pubmed but they might listen to podcasts. That would raise some cautions about this. So that's why to me. It was an important story. Sorry to tell. Yeah I think especially with bad batch looking at the profitability that goes on in these situations. A lot of us are blind to. It's very opaque as has allowed at least listeners. Hopefully to see that. Hey you know just because the treatment is expensive doesn't mean that it truly was a very costly for them to produce. It doesn't mean that it's going to get you results and I think that's the unfortunate side of it Especially when we're talking about treatments that aren't covered by insurance. We tend to think. Oh well it's a really expensive. Hi Tech Solution. So it's gotta be something that will work for me. Yeah one of the things that I'm I'm happy that I was able to do in. The podcast is because the retail stem cell industry. It's a cash based system and it's it's you know private companies private individuals so it's been really hard to really get a sense of the money. That's changing hands. And that's why I wanted to lay it all out because it's it is hard to know it's not like it's a public company. It's not like there are insurance claims that you can look at or any kind of actual data because it's all cash. Yeah so I was. That's one of the other motivations for me to do the stories choice to really take a look at the money involved all right. It's time to open up our mailbag and answer the questions that you guys have sent in. If you want your own question answered I answered on the show. You can email us at questions at the art of charm dot com or you can find us on social media at the art of charm facebook instagram or twitter. Let's get started it. Our first question comes from Sarah. She's wondering if you have any advice on how to make people tell better stories. She says for example just today I was asking a CO worker worker however vacation was and I just got the fax treatment. The hotel she stayed in the weather and the trip she took and now that I know to look out for this it seems is just everywhere in such a case. I wonder if you have any conversational tips that I can use to hear more about the experience more of the emotion. Thanks okay so let's use the vacation example example you know somebody and actually I do have some experience with getting people to try to talk to me because I have a sixteen year old son and Eh. If you've been the if you've been the parent of a sixteen year old son the everyday the question is how a school fine. What did you do nothing? I don't have the benefit sort of having a sixteen year old son however I was a sixteen year old boy so those questions in those answers so the first thing to do is get people equal to zero in on on a detail that matters okay. I went whatever like what was the most bizarre thing you ate on your trip. You know I mean can you can depending on where they went like and then and then you can get you know get a story or or who is the most interesting person you met on the trip you know that would be a little more more than just like. Where did you go if you can zero in on particular details that might that might bring up a story? I think just a few more leading questions as you were saying. Focusing on smaller details instead of just generalities I feel like most of us asked how was your trip. That's a lot a different question than what was the most bizarre thing you eight. Or what was the most exciting moment on that trip. Those are filled with emotion. That's going to allow the person to open up and stay away from from the dreaded facts. Facts facts boring. Storytelling that we talked about in the toolbox. Got a question from mark who sends his email hey. Aj Johnny honey really enjoyed the toolbox episode this month. I've started using techniques in conversations and I can already see a difference in the way I'm proceed. What's even more striking is that I actually enjoy sharing things a lot more now because instead of just throwing some facts out there I actually get to relive the experience myself a bit each time now? Oh I'm wondering how far I can take this and I value your input. I'm manager small marketing team and you can probably imagine how our weekly meetings look like facts. Facts facts these meetings. Feel like a necessary evil to discuss numbers and deadlines is my job to present these and of course. It's not a personal story that I can just flesh out but I still think there must be a way to bring these storytelling skills into those dreaded meanings. Any tips appreciate it. Thank you mark so this is really Rad. And I'm going to go through it and I want to start with the first paragraph. The first paragraph is about him learning these skills and now really enjoying the opportunity you to share stories and use them to his advantage in either to connect with people and to share hisself and to express himself himself. Now this is what always happens. When you learn these skills you learn about the emotional bids you learn how to make sure that invalidating and then come back with a shared emotional statement and on top of that you understand the the subtleties and the the little tactics in storytelling? You WanNa start sharing it and using it and every situation so mark has found at how this stuff off works for himself as gotten is now enjoying it and now he's looking to find other places where he can insert it to raise the quality quality of connection and life in general so he sees it as marketing meeting. And now this is great. This is the next part. 'cause we see this happen all the time guys come through you program. They started to look for other opportunities to use this stuff in a marketing meeting. An AJ. You and I have been many marketing meetings. We have and it is a a lot of facts facts facts but it doesn't have to be that way and a lot of times when you're dealing with people who are only concerned about the numbers a lot of times. Those people tend to be a bit on the spectrum and a little bit unapproachable and because of that it can. It can make those meetings something that people dread and did not want to have to go into and that's really not going to open itself up to a productive and fun office place where people are excited about going you too and of course you want your team to be fired up in the morning to come to work. You want their emotions and attitude and enthusiasm. I'm to be at a high because why it lives everybody up and so here's an opportunity for mark either a to start off the meeting before we go into the facts before four we go into the numbers. Let's talk a minute about what everyone had done this weekend that they were really excited about and had fun with right. That's what is that going to do what did we learn earning the science of storytelling episode. When you tell those stories those chemicals start to fire off and it lifts everybody's mood yet in yourself and the people hearing and and listening to stories? So now you have people who got to feel good relive relive some of the fun moments over the weekend and now they're are going to be sharing them with other people in the office. Now you've just raised the whole atmosphere of that room and now we can go in and started talking about the facts and and go through the numbers and the all the drudgery that comes with that exactly. I know that we start all of our meetings with exactly that. Just what we're excited about about. That happened personally. And more importantly marked is giving other people a platform to share their story. I I know when we learn the storytelling skills. We get very excited about sharing our story but a lot of people. Don't just want to hear your story. Their story is the most important story so I would encourage you to prompt other people to tell stories first and then you can add your story and practice your storytelling techniques at work. We're in this GIG economy and a lot of jobs that you're going to be doing. You're going to be going thing to are very small teams and the chemistry of those teams are what's going to propel. Everyone's enjoyment is the success of the company absolutely early and the more camaraderie. The closer you feel with your team members the more likely you are to lean in and really advanced the company's mission so I think stories and giving people an opportunity to share their stories is a great way to build team Camaraderie and the next question we got here is how do you keep a conversation interesting and lively for Hours with the person with whom you have nothing in common. I had a dinner party where we do not leave the table for a long time without sounding fake or like you're trying too hard and obviously getting two stories and getting the information that you need to write your articles. There are going to be moments where you may not have much in common with the person that you're interviewing. Do you have the need tips in that department. More well in my conversations to get a for what I do. I always asking questions and let people talk and then I ask more questions. Everybody has a story even if they might not know it. Everybody's got a story and you can go beyond the you know. What do you do you you can ask something else like you know? What's the most interesting place you've ever been? You know or or something beyond like what's your job. 'cause we all get the old icebreakers you know. What's the weather? And what's your job. But I think if you ask people are more interesting question. Where's where's the most interesting place you've thin then? Or what's the oddest situation. You've ever found yourself in in a something like that. I I think maybe to dry out the stories that people don't know they have and yeah. I completely agree. I think everyone has experiences and stories to tell oftentimes when we find ourselves in conversation. It's dying where we have nothing in common common. We're not using the right questions to open up that conversation and certainly we don't have to talk about stuff that we don't know anything about I think that's A fallacy especially around strangers. Fall into you that we feel like conversation has to be very linear and we have to stick to the topic at hand but you think about the fun. Conversations is that you have with family and friends and people really close with. They actually jump around quite a bit from thread to thread. And they're not necessarily linear so don't feel like you have to be forced to have a long boring conversation about something you don't know anything about instead exactly that. Ask some questions that are about people's experiences things that excite them things that they have Avenue Great Memories Childhood experiences as well as a great opportunity to liven up the conversation. Even if you don't have something in common stories have great right power as we know from your podcasts and they can be very compelling hopefully to change. What's going on in the medical community? Laura thank you so much for joining us today today and helping this pleasure or so of our listeners. Questions and where can our listeners. Find your two fantastic podcasts anywhere that there's podcast us anywhere you can listen to a podcast. Any podcast APP. The itunes is the most the most popular if you have an iphone. There's an APP for podcasts You can listen on your computer. You can listen on stitcher. You can listen on CASS box. Any podcast APP will will play a bad at-bat and Dr Death and what's next for you. Do you have a third podcast in the making. I don't know nothing yet. I'm looking around for ideas all right though. I haven't said anything yet. Thank you for joining us. Thank you appreciate it my pleasure. Here's another question we got. I'm curious how. Oh you guys go about balancing. How much invest into others? I've noticed that many times I invest something and others whether Betim interest favors etc then. They don't reciprocate it and I end up feeling bad in the end and feel used. Should those things be withheld. I'm not sure how to approach things like this thanks. This is a great question and as we get this a lot. Oh yes we do and if you go back to our value episodes those value episodes talk talk about what you need to do in order to feel good as a human being we all need attention approval and acceptance and that is fired off through all the good chemicals michaels dopamine and oxytocin and all that stuff and we searched that out is a drug it allows us to feel good and we looked for those things. However when you put how you feel and other people's hands it's going to be difficult to get out of that mindset now here we have somebody who is doing a favor for somebody who's who's adding value and now looking for that value to come back that is a transactional low-value mindset and in order to break that you have to go from scarcity mindset which are question who holds it is from the person who wrote this is is in a scarcity mindset because he's looking at things on a one on one transactional basis any needs to move that over to an abundance mindset and there is a lot of work that you need to do in order to create this abundance and it's a process and it begins with your daily activities but most first and foremost is to go from rather looking at the one person you gave value to waiting to get it back? It is giving value out to a a group of people as to the whole of everyone that you're coming in contact with if you look at it as a larger perspective of all the value that you had given now you're going to get value back and you're going to get it back in little ways that a lot of times you're not really expecting and you're only going to see it when it comes uh-huh that way when you've giving it out to a lot of people the the problem with giving it out on a one on one basis is a lot of times of value getting back isn't coming in the same forum that you gave it out so it's difficult for the see that I think another important thing to keep in mind. Is that when it comes to giving we can't be generalists generalists and just give everyone everything all the time and that sounds a little bit like what's happening here. The Smart Givers are the ones who understand what what energizes them. What allows them to feel good when they give that to someone else? It might be introductions it might be held on a business plan. It might be helping helping people practice for a job interview and that's something you really good at and when you give that to someone you feel really good you feel great so understanding. I'm playing to your strengths when giving value also important here not just giving everything all the time to everyone else and it should never come to the detriment of your own health and wellbeing so understanding that yes of course when it comes to being generous and being a giver there are GonNa be people who take advantage of you which is why we don't want to over give and give everything to complete strangers. We have to at least understand that there are levels to our giving and the smart givers. Who get ahead are the ones who understand Dan? What energizes them and the gift that they can give that allows them to feel good regardless of what they get back in return and you remember last month? We talked to Karen Wickreme. She talked exactly about she spends her morning. What does she do well? She high fives people. Virtually on social media she celebrates them gives them a little a bit of information. These are not things that you would beat yourself up over if someone didn't like your comment back or someone didn't respond to your message when you make that a habit will. Of course it's not going to be something that drags you down and makes you feel like you're being taken advantage of but when you give everything all the time to everyone you do you set yourself up for that failure. So being a little bit more specialized in your generosity will help I want to also say that no one is born with an abundance mindset it is cultivated it is built and it's a process you come out right into the world in scarcity mindset and you have to break that and that scarcity mind that has been programmed into your d. n. a. of of survival I inform us and this is what a lot a lot of people to understand. They get so upset with themselves when they see themselves getting upset when they don't get the approval from somebody or or any of this kind of stuff. It's wrong wrong. You WanNa fix that. But you shouldn't beat yourself up over if you haven't done the work to shake off that old mindset. It's it's going to stay there and this is is why it comes back to when it comes to the time and the stuff that we talk about on this show. It's a lot of people. I wish I would've learned us when I was twenty one while you're learning now and that's better than never learning it and so some people learn early. Some people earn late and some people never learn it and if you're stuck in that scarcity mindset. It's going to continue getting in your way until you do something about it. One of the things that we always say. Is You know how many times that people talk to us. And they're like. Oh well yeah I can do those things to get out of this but I don't have the time okay. Well you'll you're GONNA give us. You're you'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA ask me about this again in about a month. Why because the bottom of all the reasons that you have about it in the first place are going to build back up a little light at the end of your bed with head in hands going? I need to shake things up. I need this cannot continue. Hey can I get ten in seconds. If you've been enjoying the show and learning something of value each week your next step might be coming out to. La for week long Bukiet imagine diving deeper and and becoming a top performer with advance social skills of persuasion influence in connection. I love to chat with you. Head on over to the ARA CHARM DOT com slash. Apply if you think you're ready. Here's another question we got and if you kept a close eye on your email inbox you may have spotted that I sent out a survey last week full disclosure. We were all a little bit blown away by the amount of questions that came in and we'll be able to address each one of them but here are a few more. Here's one on. The influence of social media is technology analogy social media and the world being so small because of the Internet bringing down the caliber of people. These days there's less integrity less honesty. Seles follow through and even less understanding the importance of these qualities and others like them. I think for me that the more you try to to live your life online and on social media the more you're gonNA feel this way the more frustrated you're gonNA feel. I agree the more that I spend unplugged from social media the In connection in conversation with real people in person the more fulfilled. I feel the less that I feel that the caliber feeble has gone down or this all this fake stuff that we're seeing on social media and unfortunately it is empty calories. We've talked about this on the show time and time again again for sciences. They're the perfect snapshot of other people's lives that are meant to play with our emotions and the negative and it can lead to depression. As we're seeing attack. CEOS are not allowing their children go on social media. The people who built these platforms aren't allowing their kids on their. What does that tell you now? Doesn't mean that the caliber of people who somehow change in humanity. It just means that if you put all of your focus on social media will you are going to come up feeling little empty. Yeah and this is awesome. You know one of the things that we probably don't really do very good job with is our twitter and I s what I try to pose something everyday or retweets somebody but twitter is a platform is to to me. It's just people yelling all day and try to yell. Louder Outta the next guy for the attention could say that facebook and instagram. All the same. It's trying to get those likes trying to get that attention. It is but it's just. It seems to me a little bit different in twitter where it's just two more outrageous. You can be the the more attention here. We're GONNA get an even people who who look up to that we've even had on this show like Eric Weinstein who we had on the show. I I every day. Go on twitter. And he's he's arguing somebody else like. I can't do it and what's funny about. This is if you spend a lot of time in there. How can you not get pessimstic with the world and for us? We're always trying to bill mindsets. That's the allow us to enjoy life and to be creative. And it's it's easy to go to social media first thing that check your notifications get bummed out within five minutes. Yeah I just. I don't think it's brought down the caliber of people. I think the people that are on the APPs the most and shouting the most may not be the people that you want to spend the most time with in real life I agree. Here's the last one for the day. Lately I find myself dwelling lot on falling out with a close friend many years ago. Go whom I haven't spoken to since and I have no desire to. I tried to suppress these thoughts. But they keep coming back. How do I let the past remain in the past That's a good question Russian as well. Well there's there's a lot to this yeah. I think there's a couple of things right if this is coming up again and again it in my mind means that you haven't fully processed it and you haven't been able to move past that relationship and there are many ways that you could process something you could spend a lot of time journaling pulling doing some self reflection yourself you can go see a therapist and talk about the relationship and you could do the one thing that you said. You didn't WanNa do you. which is you could actually just be the bigger person reach out and apologize and see if that person has changed or grown in any way what is the what is the one thing that all free those have a common you well handling yourself you dealing with the problem? Yeah and right now. What we're doing instead is trying to suppress right? I tried to suppress and it's not dealing with the problem. Had on so those are three ways we talk all the time about journaling. There's a self authorship program that we've recommended from Jordan Peterson as well To really be deeply reflective about these events in your life Therapy helps we've recommended. Talk Therapy on the show on numerous times. And lastly being the bigger person it's been a number of years you've grown maybe that person has grown to and maybe it's time to fully bury the hatchet and move on. Well it's it's certainly not going away without dealing with it before we get to the weekly challenge. Here's a shout out to John who just finished his boot camp with us. John Rodas went out to dinner before my flight at a place in Venice beach and god Saturday communal table. The old me would have buried my face and my phone eaten silence and felt awkward the whole time instead. That tables Abel's mine. I chatted with everyone made to new friends and a great conversation with a lovely woman seated next to me and I saw people looking shyly at me from down the table like they wanted to be a part the fun. Everyone's laughing beaming smiles and having an awesome time the staff were bubbling as they saw me out the door. I feel like added so much valued. Everyone's evening it really is magical when you start to change your behaviors and see these opportunities that in the past you would have done just that on social media hopped on your phone and and not try to have the person next to you. Congratulations John I know it was a fantastic week. We're excited to see what the future holds. And that's really the power of getting these social skills in order so that you could start having more fun living your life and connecting with people. We'll be seeing John at the mastermind December absolutely. Oh Wow we're at it. Here's a question that Michael sent in about our training thanks. Aj I just found your podcast on spotify and I love it I teach introductory sales small university and the skills teach the difference between getting a foot in the door and not as as for me. I'm trying to get my sixteen year. Old Daughter to embrace the importance of these skills and confidence mindset the homepage indicated that you work with males. Would it be helpful for her as well. Absolutely we get this question a lot. I know for a decade plus we worked solely with men but we do work with men and women and we encourage everyone share the podcast with their friends family. Anyone else you care deeply about. Here's our challenge for the week. Now that we've wrapped up our month on storytelling. Let us see where you're at. Get some feedback record a one two three minute video of you telling a story if you're part of the free ten day challenged the go ahead and posted up in the facebook group by the way if you haven't joined the challenge yet had over the charm dot com slash challenge. And do so now. If if you've already gone through one of our programs and you're part of our premium group and posted there johnny and I as well as the rest of our coaches look at every single post and we'd love to give you some feedback on your storytelling if not you can just DMS unsocial. We're always looking forward to seeing watching your stories. In fact we're always excited to hear from you. You can send us your thoughts by going to the charm dot com slash. Ask questions you can email us. Questions at the charm dot com or find us on social media at the art of charm on facebook instagram or twitter. 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How nationalism and globalism can coexist | Wanis Kabbaj

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How nationalism and globalism can coexist | Wanis Kabbaj

"This Ted talk features, global citizen one east kabosh recorded live at Ted at UPS twenty eighteen. I'm Chris Anderson the guy who gets to run Ted. We've just launched a new podcast called the Ted interview where I get to sit down with icon ick Ted speakers to dive deeper into their ideas. In our next episode, I talk with David dosage, a physicist and quite possibly my favorite thinker. We talk about knowledge and why he believes its power is unlimited. So we are at the moment of change from one type of behavior across the whole universe to another type of behavioral cross. The whole universe knowledge dominated is join me for the Ted interview wherever you listen. For small business owners being plugged in and prepared. When an opportunity comes up is crucial and having a business card that shows how professional you are in your pocket. Ready to hand out is the first step to making something happen. 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Even by social media standards, the words are cruel and discussing, but they reflect the intensity of one of the most fundamental questions of our times nationalism or globalism. What is the best bath forward? This question impacts everything. We care about our cultural identity, our prosperity, our political systems, everything the health of our planet, everything. So on the one hand, we have nationalism. Coatings defines it as a devotion to one's nation, but also a doctrine that puts national interests above international considerations for nationalists, our modern societies are built on national grounds. We share a land a history culture, and we defend each other in a big and chaotic world. They see nationalism as the only sensible way to maintain social stability, but alarmed globalist Warner's. Self-centered. Nationalism can easily turn ugly. We've seen it with twentieth century fascism's, bloody wars, millions of death, immeasurable destructions. On the other hand, we have globalism the Oxford living dictionary defines it as the operation or planning of economic and foreign policy on a global basis for nationalists globalism is rapidly deconstructing what our ancestors took decades to build. It's like spitting on our soldiers stones. It's eroding our national solidarity and opening the doors to foreign invasions, but globalists' make the case that reinforcing our global governance is the only way to tackle big supra-national problems like nuclear nuclear proliferation. The global refugee crisis, climate change or terrorism, or even the consequences of superhuman. So we are at the crossroads and we are asked to choose nationalism or globalism. Having lived in four continents. I've always been interested in this question, but it took a whole new level when I saw this happening. The biggest third in nationalist votes in western democracies since World War Two, all of a sudden this isn't theory anymore. I mean, these political movements have build their success with ideas that could mean down the road, losing my French citizenship because I'm north African or not being able to come back home to the US because I come from a Muslim majority country. You know, when you live in a democracy, you live with this idea that your government will always protect you as long as you abide by the laws with the rise of national populism despite being the best citizen I can. I now have to live with the idea that my government can hurt me. For reason, I cannot control. It's very unsettling, but it forced me to rethink and rethink this question and try to think deeper. And the more I thought about it. The more I started questioning the question, why would we have to choose between nationalism and globalism between loving our country and caring for the world? There was no reason for that. We don't have to choose between family and country or region, or religion and council. You already have multiple identities, and we leave them. We live with them very well. Why would we have to choose between country and world? What if instead of accepting this absurd choice, we took it on ourselves to fight this dangerous binary thinking. So for all the globalist in the in the audience, I want to ask when I say the word nationalist, what image comes to your mind something like this believe me, I think of that too, but I'd like you to remember that for most people. Nationalism feels more like this or maybe like that. You know, it's that thing inside you when you accidentally watch an obscure Olympic sports on TV. Wait and the mere sight of an unknown. Actually worried your national colors. Get you all excited. You know, your heartbeat goes up. Your your stress level goes up and you're standing in front of that TV and screaming with passion for that athlete to win. That's nationalism. It's people happy to be together, happy to belong to a large national community. Why would it be wrong? Globalist you may think of nationalism as an old nineteenth century idea that is destined to fade. But I'm sorry to tell you that the facts are not on your side when the world values survey asked more than eighty nine thousand people across sixty countries how proud they felt about their country. Eighty eight point five percents that very proud or quite proud eighty eight point. Five percent nationalism is not going away anytime soon. It's a, it's a powerful feeling that according to another study is a strong predictor of individual happiness. It's crazy, but your happiness is more correlated with national satisfaction than we think she would expect you like household income or your job satisfaction or your headsets faction. So if nationalism makes people happy, why would anybody take it away from them fellow global? If if you are like me, you may be attached to globalization for humanistic reasons, and you may take great joy in some of its accomplishments since nineteen forty five. After all, major regions of the world have been exceptionally peaceful, extreme poverty rates around the globe are trending down and more than two billion people most notably in Asia. So spectacular improvements in their standards of living. But studies also that globalization has dark side and left on the side of the road Hendra. Of millions of people on western middle classes with anemic income growth for more than two decades, possibly three decades. According to some studies, we cannot ignore this elephant in our room. If anything, our collective energy would be better use finding ways to fix this aspect of globalization instead of fighting this polarizing battle against nationalism. So now the nationalist in the in the audience, I have some crusty non binary nuggets for you. When I say the word global is what comes to your mind out of touch, one percent, peruta crowds. Or maybe the heartless greedy Wall Street type, right? Or maybe people like me with multiple origins living in big cosmopolitan metropolis? Well, you remember that world value survey that I mentioned earlier and showed another fascinating finding seventy one percent of the world's population agreed with the statement. I'm a citizen of the world. Do you know what it means? Most of us are similar Tanu sleep proud of our country and citizens of the world, and it gets even better the citizens of the world in the survey. So higher level of national pride than the ones that rejected that label. So once and for all being a globalist doesn't mean betraying your country. It just means that you have enough social empathy and you project some of it outside your national borders. Now, I know that's when I dig into my own nationalist feelings. One of my anxiety is versus the globalized world is is national identity. How are we going to preserve what makes us special? What makes us different? What brings us together. And as I started thinking about it, I realized something really strange it, which is that a lot of the key ingredients of our national identities actually come from outside our national borders. Like think of the letters that we use every day. I don't know if you realize, but the Latin script, the Latin alphabet that we use has its origins tousands of years ago near the Nile river. It all started with with a couch just like this that was captured by a scribe into an elegant hieroglyph. That's hieroglyph was transcribed by Semite in the Sinai into the letter Alif. I left traveled with finishes and reach European shores in Greece where it became alpha, the mother of our letter a. so that's how an Egyptian cow became our letter. And same thing with the adoption house that became bait, bait and be, and the chips and fish that became dalit delta and our most fundamental texts are full of Egyptian cows houses and fish. And there are so many other examples like take the United Kingdom and its monarchy. Queen Elizabeth, the second German ancestry, the motos on the Royal coat of arms all written in French, not a single word of English, take France, and it's an icon ick Eiffel tower, the inspiration, the United States of America, and I don't mean less Vegas. I mean, nineteenth century in New York. This was the tallest building in New York in the mid nineteenth century it does it remind you of something and you may think of China as a self contained civilization protected behind. It's great war, but think twice the Chinese official ideology, Marxism made in Germany. One of China's biggest religion Buddhism imported from India. India's favorite pastime. Cricket. I really love this quote from Ashish Nandy who said, cricket is an engine game accidentally discovered by the British. So these are good reminders that a lot of what we love in our national traditions actually come from previous waves of globalization and beyond individual symbols. There are whole national traditions that could not have existed without globalization and the example that comes to my mind is a world beloved national tradition, Italian cuisine, my friends, if you ever have a chance to go to a super authentic Italian restaurant that only serves entrant Roman recipes by advice for you is don't go. You'd get very, very disappointed. No spaghetti. No pastor that really started in Sicily in the eighth century when it was under Arabian rule. No perfect. Expresso, no creamy cappuccino. That came from Abyssinia via Yemen in the seventeenth century. And of course no perfect bids on polygon. How would you make it without the tomatoes of the new world? No. Instead you would be served? Probably a lot of Porat some vegetables, mostly cabbage, some cheese, and maybe if you're lucky the absolute delicacy of that time perfectly cooked fattened dorm is. Thankfully, it was not a close tradition preserved by fanatic watchdogs. Now it was an open process newish to by explorers, traders street sellers and innovative home cooks and in many ways. Globalization is a chance for our national traditions to be questioned. We generated reinterpreted to attract new converts to stay vibrant and relevant over time. So just remember this, most of us national lists in the world are globalist, and most of us global is in the world are nationalists a lot of which we like in our national traditions come from outside our national borders. And the reason we've enter outside our national borders is to discover these other national traditions. So the real question should not be to choose between nationalism and globalism. The real question is how can we do both better? It's a, it's a complex question for a complex world that calls for creative non binary solutions. What are you waiting for? Thanks. You. For more TED talks go to Ted dot com. Support for TED talks. Daily comes from Comcast's internet essentials program, which is connected more than six million low income people to low cost, high speed internet at home, helping prepare students for homework class and graduation. So they're ready for anything. Six.

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27. Grey Griffin

Raised by TV

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27. Grey Griffin

"Stitcher. Premium presents culture. Genius. A trivia game show hosted by the creators of the black joy mix tape podcast Amer Jay Phillips and jazz Walker each week. Ember jazz recap some of the most iconic moments in black culture while quizzing they're hilarious and talented contestants running through trivia categories like black and the day and bus arrive. Every show is a celebration of black excellence. Listen in play long as contestants. Go hard to earn respect and the esteem title culture. Genius for free month of Stitcher. Premium go to Stitcher, premium dot com. Slash culture, genius, and use promo code TV promo code TV. Two, three, four. Seven. Bell. We raised. Barbecue saw. Hi, Gabe high lab. God. Well, raise bay TV. I'm so excited about our guest today because you've heard her voice everywhere. I mean, I can't even begin to list. I mean, a fun game is to go on IMDB and see how many times you've heard her. That was actually going over at this morning and I was like slowly reading. I'm only in two thousand seventeen. I was like, I don't think I watched that many cartoons. Now let me jump back. I scroll down a bunch and I was in two thousand sixteen holy shit lady and that shit friend. Spray Griffin. We're so excited to have never know what I do is never know when I'm supposed to Mike should. I know now time. I believe you talk. She's. Oh my God. I'm so excited. How do you hear? I'm like, looking at everything that you've done, I, I'm like, just so excited to talk to you and find out like how you got started and doing all these things and how your career became what it is because it's so impressive. Started from wanting to do stand up and being bad at it. Like I start, I just got back into stand up, but it all started while I was weird. Little kid also like I, I didn't have a lot of toys or whatever. My grandma had a boot. I was raised by my little Mexican grandmother, and she had a boombox and just. She transferred a lot of her old acetate records to little audio. Cassette tape says she wanted something to play it onto shoot. And then I was like, hey, this is kind of a fun thing, and I would record myself that I play like the radio in the background. And do these like telenovela? No. Oh, my grandma's still had the things I have to go through Oliver stuff, but she, yeah, isn't it funny when you're now an adult and you go, oh, I used to do pretty much what I do for a living. Now as at four, I didn't realize at the time. So I was like, playing DVD is pretty much a group improv game had no idea. I was doing it for eight hours a day every day, and I was like, oh shit. I've been training for improv my life. Now I could talk for hours on microphone whether we are listening or not. I'm exactly the same person I was and I was a little onto my clothes because it was funny because I usually wear like a long kind of flowing dress and unlike some kind of flip flop or like slip on shoe. And I was telling my friend, you know, when I was little all I where we're night gallons and jelly shoes like that was my friends like, yeah, I kind of pretty. I'm still in love with my oldest son. I have three children, but my oldest son and I are just super close when we go do fun things. And I always think like he's not going to be different. He's not going to change when he gets older. This is either sons already acting in things and the booking tons of roles. I'm like, we're all being left in the dust by this. I think he did you tell from a young age. I mean, he's young now, but could you tell that he was going to want to do this kind of stuff? He is a pretty theatrical little. Yeah, yeah. And he would get, we would even go to restaurants and even if there was like some kind of stage area where like or the band played later, he would get up there like he was like two, I'm going this gentleman, snidey tech. Everybody trying to get everybody just. That's so. To YouTube videos, and then he was too cool for acting as that's your thing. I I'm a YouTube right? And I was like, okay, but you know, this pays better right now. Dish in so that he did him and he got everything. That's so funny. Yeah, you're jealous. All right. Down. Yeah, he's like hit us this notoriety to pump my YouTube jail, which is YouTube is really funny because he wears like crazy wigs and like all these costumes, they play these middle aged women and. My show called crafting with Deb. That is hilarious. He's eleven, and we're going to eleven at the end of that, assuming he started dead when he was like nine and a half, and he shot the whole thing himself. And she, she drinks he, he had the Martin l. he's out in. I was like, I don't think we should be simulating alcohol. He's like, mom, she crafts and does, and drink Chardonnay, those important ingredient in the crafts. And then what I thought I was like, oh God, this is so. Missing all by himself. He's like he'd wrote the more motivated than I do is sit around and talk to my therapist about how I'm not an eleven year old kid. He writes. And he was kind of getting in trouble in the middle of I was like tax. You've got to go to bed. It's late and like, let me just get this one. And I had to do that all one shot because you were telling me how to go to bed. You're to be in the. Quiet on the set, please room tone. Hey. But yeah, no. So I guess trying to do stand up and then I didn't do voices in your stand. Was that part of your thing? Yeah, I had no joke. All ahead is impressions and I would. I did Anita Baker from remember that singer, and I'll be like my joke was like, just like one little premise and then an impression. And then one little premise is I needed to flush it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I was like, Anita. Baker, who knows what she's talking about. You can't understand what you're saying. Mobile just be. Just big. I love it was like jokes over. Stage like dripping sweat, like I'm really hustling. Maybe I can learn expand these to a minute or a minute. Joe, did somebody like see you or like how did that end up leading Mitzi? I always used to say like this woman came up to me at the comedy store and said, Honey, you, you're funny, but you, you do great impressions, but you need to write jokes. You're just you're kind of doing impressions, and I realized it was Mitzi shore. This lady ladies. It's gonna listen to some broad. What does she know about comedy. But anyway. Yeah, so so I was like, okay, I'll go do that right now. You know, I thought it was on that. You just like go do. Yeah, she just because I was like, great, let's where does that line for that form. And then I realized line was like around the building eighteen. But I, I like went to a class. I went to a learning annex class like, 'cause I didn't really know it was like voice overs and there was. How do you like backstage west or whatever log and and there was like. Learn about voice overs was like, that's the thing I'm supposed to be doing. I had done like a little voice over commercial when I was in high school because I did this Nancy Reagan don't say yes when you really mean no video three at blockbuster and it's like a video. Yeah. So you could get it for free because we just want to spread the word. Yeah. Yeah. And then imagine you're like mom's like, I'm going to rent a movie for the night and she comes home with a BSA. He was the cheapest one in there. You were singing in it. Oh, it was a music. Oh. Don't don't say don't say yes, when you really really mean no thing donating thing thing thing, dance numbers, it happens to you. It happens to me. We can feel it too, or I can't remember. Oh, I was the bad girl. I was candy on bribes and just wanted the ring. 'cause I mom drinks a lot and I just like come on us. Coming to this party. Jody. I was trying to get both main girl to go to this party. And she was like, also I looked like I was eighteen, which is, I think I was like sixteen and she looked like she was like five. It was like thirteen, but she looked like atop she was tiny person, you know those chill. Yeah, they're like right. Like the kid on the goldbergs. And like, and like she's in six. He's like his voice craft for his his voice, cracking season in which they had to start being like, wow, Adams really going through it. Storylines. That'd be so hard to grow up on TV like that where you're like, your body is changing your voices, changing. You look the worst who will ever look and also like I think about like a school picture where your mom dressed you. Now, imagine thousands of those being widely spread. Pictures of you when you're eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve. Thirteen are everywhere. We talked to writers strong, and that was something he talked about where he was like, I felt like my worst like I had acne, and everyone wanted a picture with me and he hated his long hair. Yeah, everyone's long, but that would be so yeah, that'd be so hard. I hate when you're working with somebody who you pretty much grew up watching like when when Mindy Cohn took over for Velma on Scooby because I've been doing whatever. But, but so we've gone through a few Vilmos but I'm but she she started. And of course I knew all about her, but you have to pretend like you. Weird, yes. So then she was like, I remember my haircut in, you know, you know, eighty seven or whatever. And I was like, I know. It was weird. I didn't watch it every episode. Sure, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, early wins liberties introduce themselves with their first and last name. Yeah. Yeah, you know my high Hayek. Oh messiah. This story on the podcast, but I did some I addition for veep and I had to audition with Julia who I have been obsessed with my entire who she's like the funniest most beautiful and I'm like, I go in there and I'm like so nervous and she's like, hi, Julianne. I yeah, you look to me like try to make it as a joke, and no one reacts in the room. And then I'm like, oh, fuck eighty. S? Looks familiar. I thought was like trying to make a joke about, like of course, she doesn't know that I've watched every single episode of Seinfeld veep Christine. Like, of course, she has no idea. Instead, I say that and she just looks and goes, okay. And I'm like bombing, and I'm like, you're humbling her before you start, you know, Joe. So sorry, I thought it made it seem like doing alpha power move or something. Instead, I was just trying to be. I was like, she would appreciate the job and it didn't go over and I almost just went, I'm so sorry. I love you. Irish. She's so nice. She was of course he's not making a joke about how famous I right. Yeah, no, but I also get that might feel really like hockey or we like. I set myself up for failure completely with that. I fucked it up so bad that afterwards. I was walking to my car and I must have been like shouting to myself. Yeah, because my friend DC walks by and goes, did you go in yet? Am I gonna win? And he goes, oh, because it looks like you're running lines? No, I'm berating myself myself in front of a year. Every auditioned. I'm like, okay, I'm a fucking talk to myself. I have so much energy because I just went in there. Well, you don't want to leave. Like. Psycho? I never. I never dated because I've been with my wife since I was in college. I never went on a date with someone that I didn't know how it was going to go. But now I know how you would feel after a day because I'm like walking out of an audition going. I can't believe I said. When I said that that's so embarrassing, you're so I think God, I never went on dates. I would've. Socials that not even just auditioning actually learn, and I do is show Cl, the heart from Mary. Harvey kids. The Harvey girls that kids to be broader. But anyway, but yeah, but I when I was doing my, I'm still just starting doing my stand up again. Yeah, and everybody was so sweet and supportive and like they were like, oh, good. Look at your gig tonight. You know, whatever. And I was like, and then I just like I was like, I, I went on for like five minutes. How like I don't know. And then I didn't publicize and know. And then I left. And then I was like, oh, I, you. That about y'all say everyone about themselves. I they always text seventy poor Stephanie every time a session. I'm like, what the hell was I talking about hurt club? I I will have so much fun and then I'll leave him like, why did I talk to him? I hate myself. I'm so annoying. I just complain about violence, whatever. It's like, we're all texting. I'm so annoying. I'm so sorry. I'm so annoying. Stuff that I still from years ago that happened. No, no, no. That I will not even talk about that is still in my head so much from two years ago, and I hate it so much and I wanna fix it and there's no fixing it and it's like, but it also doesn't matter probably at all about person, but I'm like, God, if I could change anything, it would be that. Literally so minor that if you had like a weird genie wish moment where they changed that moment, you would not even feel nothing would have that you wouldn't have that shower. Yeah, sometimes I think. Great. You're being ridiculous. They don't think of that ever. They never. And then to find out that they do, it's like no, every every once in a while there's going to be what would like, oh yeah. I remember that. I thought that was weird. No. I have a friend from her to Rico's can't pronounce Jay's. You know he, he doesn't. He can't pronounce Jays, but he married a woman with Jamie. I say it, I write her name, whatever her name j, but but nobody you have to say the chain. Okay. Okay. Strain, Jane Jane Jordan. Okay. Okay. Yes. Okay. But but he pronounces it Yan Yordan. And so when I met her, our friend had like talked about, you know, our friend had like, you know them. And so when I knew him really well, and then when I met her, I was like that, you know. That you know, and I gave her a big, our friend was looking. I signed his baseball. No people. Name is because I was just like it hurts so much right now even just five fully no item. Oh my God. I just I know. I know that feeling so much. I it's still worst young. I I, but I think the only comfort is knowing other people feel that way about themselves. Like we all have at least one right. Like there has to be. I have so many. I mean, I smoked a fair everything. I'll be apologizing to you for this for months. I smoke a fair amount of weed and sometimes I'll get high and then get paranoid about something that already happened. Where on my own my God, did you say to gray, blah, blah, blah, how the fuck where you're thinking? And then I'm like, I'll obsess about it and then like sort of teasing out. But like I can't believe I said that thing into gray when we met. And do you about what thing? I can't believe. I thought about that for four hours. Always remember that I, that was so weird and I'm like. Wait, I wanna talk to you about a specific thing that just happened to you. Okay. In your career, which is exciting that you took over a Disney land voice at one of the rise of the pirates of the Caribbean ride at Disneyland on the fires. Part is because I haven't been on since. So has it been established? It opened in April in Florida and all my friends. These some of the right and then yeah, just opened last week. Have you ever done anything like that. No, and I'm like, that's my favorite. I'm sure. I'm sure we'll have that, but that's a me and I have a tweet that I actually like to go back and find it because it was approved that I know nothing about this before, but a long time. Got my son's super socially conscious and easing out when he was eight. And he's like, really like activism nagged a cool. He's all about like, he's like, I'm a feminist. He was telling us, it's like, you're eleven. He was like, an his feminists are hate men and he's like, no feminist just believe that women and men are equal all that. And I'm like, how do you know more than I met one out child in my entire life? And it was like a life lesson in confidence. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. A nine year old kid who's I guess I'm gay. I'm like what? That's awesome. I'm not even sure. Actually when he was five was like, 'cause we had friends that were two guys that were married and he was, and I was like, oh, if you like, if you like to buy, you're gonna love makeup because his husband has all these action figures and he's super cool things like his husband. He was like five and I go, oh, I said, yeah, you know, I said, when two boys love each other, the gay and he he was like, like, hit the table. We're at Starbucks. He's like. I was like, oh, he just loves them because there are. Yeah, and he's fine. And he's and I feel bad because I was looking squashing because I didn't. I just learned this war. Yesterday you said your superhero. Then when he was eighties, remember we talked about that. That's happening anyway. Yeah. But here he has his lifetime. He already has not hanging out with me planned because I was like, are you gonna? I said, when I'm old, we would take me to lunch once a week and he's like, mom, we're going to have our dogs. We're going to have our kids don't have time to you out every. Are you ready for your imagination? Sure. Your son Highlander like he's like this. He's telling me that I could watch the kids on a if Yunus husband went on a cruise something. Okay. I love him very, very sure. But yeah, so we were on the parents here being we just learned about human trafficking like because we went to the Shanghai tunnels. It's a long story, but they were talking about human trafficking in Portland, these tunnels, they would like when you got Shanghaied pretty much, they would like kidnap people and sell them into slavery on these boats. But anyway, so we'd learned it was a history lesson, but we're on the part secure Bian and we'd get to like the slave auctions seen with all the women like in chains and is bitter. My son was like, what? What is happening with that red haired lady? What and I was like, yeah, yeah. And he's like how human trafficking. I was like, yeah. S.'s Disney land to change that. And I said, yeah, I know. But people get real cranky when you start changing and he's like, if they can change it to put Johnny Depp on the ride, they can change trafficking. Oh, shoot like that is such a. But anyway, tweeted. I thought that was funny and and I didn't think it would ever change. Sure. And then like I, you know, when all the, you know, metoo hap it, I think I think I don't know if me to happen before they decided to have the auditions. I think they might have decided to have the additions before that, but anyway, at all. That same time. Yeah. And I was like, I got to be part of what changed that and I kept changing. What is it now now it's now. I'm like this bad ass. Pirate red who is like the smartest one in the room all the time and who stole this rum, and she's selling it back to the pirates for you to the void. She talks a little bit like this and all right, bullies you want the rum. Don't you boys. Yo pirates knife for me. Disneyland. I, I. Picture of the two of us in crew, Nick Disneyland sweatshirts holding hands. Yes, I have my name. Disneyland. Dying. I swear to God. I've only been five times east coast. Go wait, wait, because I'm a Disney nut and like all the time and have year round pass and everything. And you need to wait until like mid. Yeah. You want to be so hot anyway. Yeah, tot- like October, I is the perfect go. 'cause they've got a false Stilo when it's there, you have to. Decorate the whole KYW's q.. Okay. Yeah. Right? And like make recording of me doing the voice wall and yes, really fun. Cool thing that happened. I mean, amazing part toget-. I could just go home now because I was thinking my grandchildren are going to be like, that's my grandma on the clearly just is that I know. 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Get your first audiobook free and choose to titles from a curated list of audible originals when you try audible for thirty days, is it audible dot com? Slash raised by TV or text raised by TV two five zero zero five zero zero. That's eighty. You d I b l. e. dot com. Slash raised by TV or text raised by TV to five hundred five hundred five zero zero five zero zero. Very easy. And we are back. We spent the entire break apologizing to each other about a awkward things may have said in the first. So we've I said, I was pro human trafficking. I misunderstood the entire situation. I think one funny thing about looking at your MDA seeing things that I received auditions for on, like the idea that anyone would listen to my recording and not just give it to gray is the funniest thing I've ever heard. Larry's joke at people come out and go, you ever go home now doing that joke for like twenty four. I know I know, but, but I feel you are that in the voice of world where it's just not funny. Other. I know you got to have audition, do you. You do every day hitting these. Thank you for saying that because I mean. Anti-lien not to be like like totally opposite of Julia. Louis Dreyfuss wouldn't even think that anyone knows USAA, but I did have that thought and thought, what an asshole. I did you just think that, but I thought God, it's twenty two years, and I'm still every lunch break. I have to like, do they not know? Didn't know that is not great holiday think you are? No, it's a great jobs, the best job in the world and you should completely disagree. Totally right to think that though, because I look at this and I'm like, what more proof do you walking there is like there are one hundred shows you've been on. I'm like I'm doing stand up to get back into the shows like because I used to have bigger parts, but now like it's funny like, you're good, you're great. I don't. You don't even do Santa, right? No, I do. Improv and Scott. Yeah, but there are times on have been in booths going terrible. Is this person and it's usually a YouTube star right? Stand up comic and I'm like, well, I'm not gonna. I don't technically. I don't know what I'm doing. So I'll go do stand up again. Then you're staying though joint that so many jobs are going. People that way where I mean, I feel like I wanted to be in voice over for so long, and I, it took me a long time to get any roles and so good. You are made for it to 'cause you can do. I've wanted to do it my whole life too. I don't do that, but I'm saying is a hard industry to break into like it's very like it's very competitive. And then I would get a job every once in a while and be standing next to somebody like you or they'd be able to do so many different voices and switch so easily. And I was like, oh, this is why it's so hard because these people are this is their amazing, aren't carring. It's like an amazing. You're good actress that you that you keep completely up with that. Because when you when Lada on the harvest, are we let Harvey. Out by now. So people getting good. Long speeches where you have to be all over the map and then you just fly through it. I have been there have been like three moments that was amazing. Oh, that's really nice because I think about everything you do on the show because this seriously the way you switch between them. First of all, but I mean, all every drew you do is so distinct that I'm like, oh, wow, I can't. I can't match that consistency like your so clear with what you're doing every time. It's really impressive. And then just looking at your, I'm Debbie, I'm like, oh, so a ton of shows that I watch my whole life been on all of them for me. It's like seeing well. Now it's like edgy people like people that are on like comedy, improv people for a while, like voice overs was wear. Like TV stars came to die, you know, like, and so I like would be sitting nice. I'm like, oh, my God know people that you grew up Dashiell like it's becoming a thing where they're like letting people in more. You don't have to be a famous person to do it. It's. More like, oh, you can start to build your career this way. I feel like a couple of times I've done it has been like, here's like three people who are known as kind of funny sort of, and they have interesting voices and then here's to absolute pros that will just make everything sound good, and we'll play forty characters and the New York guy. That's been was cool out to podcasting, has a lot of people who work in the entertainment industry to learn about people like us who were like, oh, we like doing stuff like this. Like fun to have the two people that we listened to in our podcast coming. We're like. John Ritter was Clifford, you know? And I'm like only. No, I I, no, no, he's my one of my favorite. We've talked him a number of times where he is like one of my favorite actors of all time. He just does something that is the nicest guy and just like so devoted his family and talking about his proposal to his wife and kids. And I mean, just and then I met Jason, a lobby, had no idea who he was. He was doing like gravity. I was waiting to go in for gravity falls, and I think he was doing gravity anyway, and he was so nice down to earth. I thought he must be like a an engineer in one of the. Engineer super hot, nice donor them. That's Jason and I didn't want to be like, oh God, I'm glad I didn't know that actually. 'cause I, I didn't want to fan dead and I were. Three highest. The highest praise you praise an actor is I didn't know you were an actor when I met you. Because he's so cool normal that you're like, oh, you're just an approachable human everything. You're about that dude from the another period. People are like, he's the nicest horses are. All right. Yeah, so funny and amazing. And just normal, obviously, actors when they're like that person such a jerk, and then they go, oh, well, they're just really shy. And I'm like, maybe they could just act like they're nice. Arab? They're that way. That's my. That's my favorite thing in the world. What all this person that's just kind of like how they are like then maybe they should just be different. Oh, they're just kind of an asshole. Fun. Well, I don't hang out with people. I don't hang out with people kind of assholes voice over there. So many nice people like because everybody wants to do it, but like I've worked people that were a slight dick, you know. Oh, that's nice meeting you really talented. I'm never going to see you right now. Everyone is super nice. I want to say because a couple of you do our recent parts of my life to, and this is crazy. First of all, a Zula from air bender. Thank you very much. Peasantry. Appreciate that. I do not want you to do it requested. I'm very happy. She's such a fun character. I love. I love that show. I'm obsessed with that show. I watched it five years ago, thirty two year old man and such a good show and all the all the characters are great on it. It is. Janet Varney is Cora. Yeah, but Zula the character. So she's so bitchy and sly and fun. It's sad thought it was a monster tried of course, but it still her writing is sober. She's an open back. She's a villain, who's happy to the villain. It's a very interesting character for a young woman. It's so fun. And then also something I literally do for one hour a day. You are involved in the of Nova from starcraft in heroes of the storm. Correct. Just trying to tell texts my son about that was like, there's another thing I do. I can't remember. I think the news Nova and it takes goes so weird because people probably think it's weird that you don't remember it because it was like an hour out of your life day. I play heroes of the storm every single day for an hour and offs. Not an option. Yeah. Sweating that was like really hot also. She's she's a sniper. Janet Harney. No, I think doing video games of is so cool. I got to do one thing for drastic world like the game. I got to one line, but then like my mom who retired, but she was a teacher like her kids would find me in the game and like unlock my character. That's so neat. Have you done a bunch of video games and people and go to those conventions because I have three children that have to put them all through private school. Come on. Yeah. So on the weekends, like I fly and also it's so nice to sleep in. You're in a hotel, pick you up at ten AM. Is that too early? I have to be of at six thirty because people are running around my house screaming. No. But like sometimes it was just such a short thing that I didn't. I don't remember it, and so people bring up a box be like, can you sign this? And I'm like, oh, I don't wanna ruin. This person's merchandise. I. This was like, bayoneted. I don't know if you know about I was John Bennett and I'm like, I I wasn't in this guy was like Sopa wilder and he'd didn't line for a long time. I was like, I'm sorry. I didn't mind you want like, you know, like anything like a picture of something else? No, walked way him and he came into the side of the line. I just googled it and this and I was like, I am. Sorry, I didn't want to ruin your box. Really sitter. It was just like two hours and then yeah. Right. You're you've done so much like how will you? It's. It's turkey. I think that is like egotistical or something is it's because it's your voice over stuff can blend together so much looks to seem to you because you're going. All right. I was on a set and I was, I remember that was the beach. Pictures watch or see the game later, like you're not going to. You're not going to like dialogue. Yeah, right. Oh, so I just when I look through that, I'm like, no. I literally played heroes storm for a couple of hours yesterday then did research and I was like, oh, shit, shit. This is so fun. We're not even getting into the things that now like literally everyone would. No, I just wanted because this is our podcast share what I fairly odd parents, whatever. Parents dropping was twenty five, four now amazing. So is that one of your first. It was the first big. Okay. Yeah, because I noticed that on your eye and that's happened to me too. I've done a short then leads to a show which is a great way to get in shorts. Short and I'm like those that turn into a twenty year show and you're like giving you're giving that creator like the, but like you believe in it or whatever. Like also saying like, I do like book of life was just like, can you do scratch for our movie? Like and I was like, sure. And my friend had turned it down my friend who you know anyway, Suraj for people who might not know as a temp track of via where they use it to help with editing Anna Matic's. And then maybe you get replaced by a famous person always. Time for that often maybe give you like, and then you could play the shop keeper. Wait, won't do that lead to be well. I was like, sure. And then I was like, oh, you're paying too. Awesome. Like anything scale, plus the going rate for voice. You must make a lot more money at every session now, and I'm like, no, that's really interesting to me to that. It doesn't grow because doing the show I was like. So I'm so excited to Arlene for more money on this. I got knowing that everyone was getting the same. I was like, oh, that's so interesting because that's not how it is in most other things. So why has that not changed? I don't know. Wait for a while, like the Rugrats ladies like they were getting like, I don't know, twenty grand. Should because insured a series regular on popular show, then they immediately we can never let that happen again. We've got to put them into the contract where people don't. Yeah, I would. I don't believe this, but I bet you that executives are like, well, we can just get someone that sounds like you if you want more money. Send kids, and then they couldn't. I wouldn't even audition for those. I was like, screw it. Give those people there, but. Four. Yeah, no. But I, I, my very first thing was Rugrats I got. I was rep tar on the road. Rid of you. Well, it was only one episode where he came to life, but it was. And thank you, gray. We got everything we sure I could say, words, if you want we cool. The thing is I'm not famous enough to go, you know, like whatever I have bought every forever. Twenty one has rep tar stuff right now, and I have it. You should because that is so cool. Any emergencies comes out of anything -ffiliated with an see it at target, whatever. I'm like. Me because doing Harvey street kids. It's my first time. We're like, I'm a main character on something and I'm like seeing little Fanar being made already like hasn't come out yet so people. But some people have started postings online and I'm like, so that's sort of like no one knows that you're Dolly. Cool. Little dolls office, like a lot of us. Tara strong house and she's not like a whole room. I love vintage stuff's all my house is like very like nineteen thirties. So I'm like, I really liked the cell. Yeah, but yeah, you will have somebody. I was doing a really horrible show with Mark Hamill, and we had these, you know somebody, finances, action figures even though the show was going. No. Uh-huh. But I was like, oh, this is so cool. Speaking of one of those cringe things I looked at Cam action. Your action. Like behind GI Joe and he man, I think, is. Say to that, he's like he, of course, he also super down earth. Lady talking about? No, he was like, I know it's cool, right? You. Another another character who you are that is big in my was in my life and bursts is cat woman from the Arkham game. Thank you very. Kinney I can tell very hot. I was afraid. I didn't want to lead with that, but I was going to say like you're being our every day. Which I had the stamina. Came. Josh rules. Give me another period trunks. I was I was afraid to say the cat woman from Arkham the is one of the sexiest of cat women that someone is a fan of your voices are even the sexy voices are very distinct from one another. Like it's like, you don't just do the same one for all. I'm sure they're, I'm sure there. Sober Holly because there has to be because there's so many. But like just even those two that you pointed out on my those are very different. And that's funny when someone who's like really attention to detail like anybody on the spectrum of at like a like an event like they always call me on my shit. You know? So funny. But like how come in this. Exactly like that only it has a list and I'm like. As long as they pronounce the as long. Exactly. Right. And you can only do so many. Do you like work on new voices? Or do you find them when you're just like when you get an offer for something or you go roller, get an audition? Do you just kind of play with something until you find it or do things are kind of waiting to us? How does a meet someone or here Simone NPR that I might get your phone l. that person's voice as amazing. Yeah, yeah. And so I have recorded people on the radio like have kept something my back pocket, but I was telling somebody the other day that I said this lot in interviews, so people probably have sold thing. She's gonna say again, but it's so true. Like when I see a picture and you know and they're, you know, when you go to audition, they'll pop Paul, Tompkins. Yeah. Basically lives here. He'll be here on your way out. Yeah. He used to open for my ex husband's band at Largo like, oh, go and I was like, that comic is a me. We do a podcast together. He's calling again, I know janey and everything that I never see. Funny. Yeah, it's gotta be here too. Old friend. All right. Signature. Anyway. Done with my improv teacher, easy like the table. We'll history. I'm not gonna. Look down, get distracted. You're saying, I see the picture when I see the picture. I usually try to see what would this character laugh like they have like. If they have like book teeth or they're like chubby, whatever. I just think like. Deli. With Dickey. She had like this like her mouth from the parents. Her mouth, which is like all open. And she had like peaches, like choosing. Because it's sort of like an organic. I love that because I think when I'm additioning voice over stuff, one of my most challenging things is laughing. I hate when I see it there because. Oh, really hard for me for some reason. No, a lot of people have really okay because I'm a damn I don't want to, and then it would be great way to start because if I know what the left is going to be, I can build into the character and then I won't be hard when I have to laugh. Yes, I did. I'm Elizabeth. I was like, hey, hey, and then she can't attack like that. And I have a little bit of like somebody's just really unfunny, but they keep telling jokes, I was telling my friend, I was like, I, I could laugh all day for reels. But if somebody's not funny, I have like a very small fake laughter. Afrin while. Yeah. Like after the third time. Yeah, there's no air left in this tank. No, it's one of the hardest things I just make weird grunting noises. Yeah, I only Gordon just tweeted recently, and I've been thinking about this a lot. The cheese, like decided to stop laughing to placate people. Basically, like a man is trying to be funny and making jokes. I don't think are funny. I'm not laughing anymore. I'm just going to only laugh and I think something's funny and she's like, it's been interesting doing. And so I tried it and like an Uber, and then I was like, this person could drive into a wall in like kill me. So I'm gonna keep fake laughing. And then like I I'm trying to figure out where to use it, but it's like it is kind of empowering though because you find yourself like, why am I? I'm funnier than you, and I'm actually, this shit's not, and you're just trying not to offend a strange I've done. The new thing is if if it's not funny and it's like allegedly going to be a brief interaction. I do the laugh and go. Yeah, and I'm just gonna get the fuck. I don't tell me a second. Joe is so crazy though. Like thinking like this person doesn't know that I do comedy all day long. Just. I'm just a little girl to them where they're like, come on, give me give me a smile and. I've wanted to say people and it's the most of noxious thing ever wanted to do you know that my closest friends are objectively according to America. Some of the funniest like are my closest friends are some of the funniest people alive. I spend an hour talking to Lauren, all of my friends are hysterical get the fuck. Like I actually end up being people money, people probably think that I'm like an asshole, because I'm so afraid of being like your community. I'm just like, I'm looking at my phone. Looks at her fucking phone. So I'm a huge fan of, I'm sure that if she even remembers it, which I'm sure she doesn't. But if she did, she'd be like that Kant that I met. Time do. Down around people that I admire some because I'm like, I don't wanna be annoying. Yeah, just like all stand my little and I won't talk to you and then you'll probably think I'm rude don't want to have the conversation later about. I can't believe I fuck and send it. So instead you go more. I brag which is awful. I quit. I'm like, I'm going to Paris next month. No work. It's not, and I'll be like, and it's like nothing like, I'm not really doing anything there at. I'm only one day. Of of July in Paris, and I've done that too, or it's like, I'm suddenly like saying something. I'm like, I just wanted that person to know that because I wanted to show that I'm not just nobody that I know or main trying to. Insys turban. It's disturbing. Try to a comedy icon or you meet someone that you're and you're like, I'm also a comedian, and then you hear swin someone else comes up to you, and I'm also a comedian, you're like, who the fuck? And then I'm like, oh my God, that's McCain. Those two hand respraying my bands like demo. Musicians, listen to it. No. On it was pregnant and she met she met Sheryl Crowe and she said that Shoko said, what do you do in my friends musician? So she was like, oh, I've been playing guitar. And I know she told her all about her band, their little p. that they put out into the and realize that she had said, when are you do. Oh, no, that's cool. I asked you, when are you do? Oh God next month. I. I honestly show crow should have just said, oh, that's so great. And when are you do that by? Not actually. I shouldn't. I shouldn't maligns real Gershon. I'm sure she did do misheard Darby. Darville the say, like actually what I said was this. Yeah. Cheryl crow at bonnaroo play the Tom petty song, not American woman, that's not what it's called, but I forget what it's called. But I saw her play with girl American Girl. It was like a Tom petty tribute and it was like the supergroup and they just kept rotating in lead singer. Sheryl Crow came out, she is doesn't. She was in ice for the last thirty years or something. Purse just fifty four fifty six or something like what? The fuck dude and funny lot. Yeah. Cryogenically like my friend, my friend who's obscenely ridge goes into a cold, say that real housewives. They go in the cold body thing therapy. They have. They just opened one by my apartment. I'm taking my friend for his birthday. Cryan the I ching queer eye and I was like, they give these guys. These these makeovers that are really wonderful where, oh, the cut their hair and shave their beard and give them some like nicer close on even like the fanciest thing. I was saying, this is what money does, though it were you see these celebrities. Imagine if John Goodman never had anyone telling him what to do or where he will look like this guy, and then he did his haircut knee looks great, and we all like whatever. It's like, it's just a matter of one person telling you cut your hair like this and do this, and then even kinda know close, you get some good probably, but I do think educating everyone that like you can all do this. It's not beyond anyone's means as a matter of just going to your Barbara and whatever. And just being like, I wanted to cleaner and my son loves, we watched. I like this show because it makes people like gay people really doesn't God. He was like it's more than just a fashion like it's not. It's more than that. It's like making people accept gay people, and that's wonderful. Guru. He's seen the second season. The first episode they go to the small town called gay Georgia and the town of eighty nine hundred. The guy that loves the girl and he restore known. Nunu season just. It's so wonderful though because I was like, they're, they're going into a church and they're kind of explaining all the, the queer eye guys are expanding their feelings about church. Some are positive or negative. And then by the end, it's like this really wonderful thing where like they're talking about accepting people in like it's just rain. It's so it's so weird and I hate being like the Heke lib tarred, but it's like so necessary. We're obviously. I do not feel bad saying, yeah, we should all like each other. Apparently that's a controversial. All the things I believe in are just like nice. Like, I don't want people to shoot people always and I don't want. I think whatever everyone anyone wants to do for fun as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else that other person is asking to be earned. The thing about the babies in cages. I don't want to offend anyone. You remember. Then people are putting babies crazy though. The things that you'll politically to tweet about and people get set. I don't even want to have this conversation. We are for me and I'm like, oh, good. I found the assholes. Yeah. We should talk about a few more of your. Should we take a quick break? Let's we should talk about a few more roles, but first, let's take a quick break. Hey, lab kiss. 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They much sounds like Mandy from the grim adventures of billion Mandy, and I play for your tax like this and she's kind of spoiled, rich girl and. He's super fan of his. So good. But see, I get nervous to go into my voice. I only honestly have tried to do it at home and can't, and I can only do it when I'm there. I'm not even trying to do now. It's not going to be no good at those conventions because that's all they want. You guy voice friends that go to those conventions and they have to do the voice like, yes, you have knows who actually like probably could get away with it. 'cause he will kind of recognize. On nothing on camera, do the voice. That's why they're there. How many strangers voicemails are you on. Big request because I know like you're like, oh, can you please say like you've reached ghost in to Nova leave a message, whatever I raise money for charity for Saint Jude's on my used to do a lot more on EBay, but now it's kind of a pain because I've got three kids and I'm trying to record and it's like, yeah, but I have done that conventions. I, I call people's mom or whatever gal at them and stuff. Yes. About Harvey street kids really quickly. I'll just explain show it's about three. It's based on a comic book from the fifties which you can go check out the Harvey girls comics as part of the kind of casper realm of things. I found some old comics online and bought them for the for carrying Stephanie. I'll be characters, but they're really need. And it's about these three girls who live on on Harvey street and have all these crazy things get into with all the kids in their neighborhood. And it's really funny. It's great for boys and girls. It's great for adults. It's hilarious like we have so much fun doing it, and it's really very funny and it's beautiful. It's like it's a wonder. I think if you're a grownup who likes to throw in a cartoon, I would highly recommend binging this show. 'cause it's one of my favorite parts of the show was when Joey Fatone I, we can't say much about it, but he makes a small appearance. Yes. I had just met him at was conventions it's going to be the convention show notes, but I, it's part of my life, but I didn't know we was because I'm a little bit older. My view was the backstreet boys, but so I didn't know. So he and AJ. From AJ. Who's in backstreet boys back? Yeah, no, no. Mine was new Kias on the block older than that. So yeah. So backstreet boys, not fishing. Born in. But I didn't do AJ or Joey word all, but they were like back stage eating and I thought, oh, the big guys, strong guys. And I thought, oh, there's somebody is like they're protecting some. Yeah, and that's very famous, you know, as other all eat with them because they'll be down. So anyway, eating and we were talking about like traveling and you know, and when an age it was really, I had like the stomach problems like, you know. And I was like, I can't poop when I travel. I can't. Then when I get back, I said, I was traveling a week, and then it came back and I took all these like five or pills from trader Joe's. And then I like in my car and I was eating a burrito on the night. I thought he just had gas, but then I, I told them like this horrible start. Take a bath at the coffee daily, and then you go, oh my God, it was awful crying and then also starving. And I was like driving between session. I know I was like stuck in traffic and I was like, this happen here. We literally just talked about this is more pantomime car for that very. Just in case I'm like, boxers. Mccaren tons of room. I would. I not throw in some extra clothes goes wrong, extra underwear, baby wipes in the globe. Oh. Reason enough. There's something extra like, mom, something's wrong, you need to go to the doctor. But yes. Oh, no. But unlike kept eating my burrito because I was stuck in the car and I was starving timing night. I told them the story and then thinking these these bodyguards and then my friend, like, how do you know that? And I was like, who the guys, you know, AJ in Joey, and I was like, who are the guys that you were just sitting ate lunch, and then I was like, who are they. Of the fans still really awful them. And then I tweeted it. I thought it was found him on high really embarrassing poop story. And he just wrote back like e certainly did. So harvest, Greek, June twenty. There are so many great people on the show. I don't know how many we're supposed to name, but there are like a ton of great stars from our lives growing up that we were excited about and and kids love to. So I'm really excited. I'm also really excited to my nephew's can watch without having to worry about the content. So he's going to be. Going to be. So many gracious more special voices. Great. Shoot, I know she's great. I love her dogs in the audience which she rides up in the motorcycle. Yes, I don't think it got enough. I mean, I'm sure it got a lot of. Leo, but just watched it again. Like for the fourth time it she does. She's an amazing stand up, but she also just does something slightly more with a special than most people. Anxiety gets her like, and it's all stuff that we go through. This isn't just a comedy special. I don't really. Yeah, and I've had people walk up to me and just like you're pretty number. Thank you so much because you know, I just say, no, I'm not fun to just have someone just walk up in a soom. You are somebody that you're just definitely not also if you put us next week, so there we don't look at a passing glance. I understand how it happens, but like we just if you put a little, if we see in the picture together, it'd be funny also arcade, MC. Actual along over stone came up to me at a friend's wedding and was like, oh, we we met and I was like, I would know we, we certainly see your share. No, we haven't. I would hopefully know if we met and then she was like, no, you just had short Brown hair, and I was like, oh, you think I'm Kate makuuchi who's like five to? Yes. You think I had short Brown hair long. And then I also grew seven inch, which is funny because Kate makuuchi partner is a tall blonde. But they've been like, you're no, you combined those two people thought. China. Together of man between and it was like, yeah, that makes sense. Gradient. Yeah, you have created photo booth that you could like meld with your kids. Create your horrible victim of disasters. My ten year old has a terrorist cell beard. And now it's time for a very special episode. We take you now to a very special episode of dinosaurs season four episodes, seven changing? Oh yes. I actually member seeing them at DisneyWorld on a parade float doing that whole thing. I loved it so much. They are caveman. Okay. Here we are Earl is looking outside the window where a bomb just. Look at those big black clouds. If that doesn't mean rain. I don't know what does. Hey, Freddie. Could you turn the heat up here? It's getting a bit nippy. Freddie. The family is gathered around the TV silent Freddie, hey, what's wrong with you guys? This is a cause for celebration. You might wanna hold off on the victory dance, fat boy, Earl, I think you'd better have a look at this Erlichs closer at the TV where news anchor Howard hand up me is delivering a report puppet. Christiane Amanpour from important. Unfortunately, the taskforce latest tactic has gone tragically awry as thick black clouds of sulphurous gas and soot. Now shroud the entire planet bloating, the sun from the sky and causing global temperatures to drop precipitously the family all turns to Earl show. Maybe we'll get snow instead of rain. What's the diff, hey, when the sun comes out and melts all the snow will have plenty of water. And then all those plants will come up like gangbusters. Considering the thickness of the cloud cover, scientists predicted maybe tens of thousands of years before the sun shines over Panja. Again, the family all quietly turns to Earl, again, the would anybody like a refreshing beverage Bradley picks up the phone and is talking to Earl, what do you want now Sinclair. Sure. I think we may have gone just a bit too far this time. I don't know what you're talking about. Why sudden cold snap is a godsend that is fucking stores by and we say. So he does. We say so blankets, and we say so hot cocoa mix. We're going to have the. That code history, sir. I think we're we. This could be the last third quarter in history. Don't turn into one of those environment. Doomsayers Sinclair boo. It's raining acid. There's a hole in the ozone. You're hurting flip a bunch of tree hugging, Pani ways. They're always standing in the way of progress, and it's our job to pave right over them. I think you're missing the point sur. The world maybe come into an end. Well, that's a fourth quarter problem. We'll drop a bomb on that bridge when we come to it right now. My biggest problem is trying to figure out what to do with all this money. Bradley throws his money up everywhere back in the living room. Earl looks out the window longingly. Could I have everybody's attention? There's something I have to say, first of all, STAN, I have to apologize to you. Yes, sure. I now realized that building that wax fruit factory on your mating ground was wrong. Oh, sure. Wax food is important, but so are bunch beetles gee, that's bigger URL I'm still feeling kind of blue maybe if there were someone holding me to to her comforting bosom, I- Charlene pushes him off his chair. I'll take it and I guess I owe the rest of you when apology to for bringing on the end of the world and civilization and everything. I always knew, screw things up. I just didn't know how bad mother. He said he was sorry. And I know I put too much faith in progress in technology in two little spec for nature, but it's easy. It's so easy to take nature for granted because it's always there and technology is so bright and shiny and new. We understand sweetheart, I guess. Well, little guy. What happened was daddy was put in charge of the world and he didn't take real good care of it Jesus. This is psych. And now it looks like there won't be much of the world left for you and your brother and sister live in. Well, no, there's no place to move to. This is the only world we got. Happen to. Well, I don't exactly know, but whatever it is, no one is going to leave you. That's right. Little guy will all stay together. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, I'm sure it all work out. Okay. After all dinosaurs have been on this earth for one hundred and fifty million years, it's not like we're just going to disappear. Everyone looks around sadly and taking a look at the long range forecast continued snow darkness and extreme cold. This is how it hand up me good night and goodbye. Holy shit that was accidentally topical this. This was like ninety four ninety five Mark weirdly dark children, show starring puppets chose it. For that reason, we did. We like to read it cold because it's unfair. In a lot of. I know he's like, isn't that crazy? Oh, thank you so much. Wildly. Yeah, and and for the listener just for the record, I think we talked about three, two, one, two, three percent of your roles. And look, and you'll be shocked all the things that you have watched that she has been at someone did a really fun. YouTube super cut of a bunch of your character. It's really fun to to go on YouTube and watch your like reels that people have clipped together. I have to. It's really fun because you can hear the like differences and see the picture of the character and really let you might help you remember some of the stuff you were in in Brizzi voices who did a thing that my son's a huge fan of hers. And he's like, mom, all my God. He's like, Brizzi did a thing about you all? And he's like. Nobody's at somebody doing an impression she was, I saw I didn't. I didn't click it because I wanted to see really funny one. That was very good. It was like ten minutes long and showed a bunch of different roles, but it had like a disclaimer ALP at the top, and it was like. If you had a different last name or had to two last names at one point like book, I don't know which last name us. Okay. So I just. I don't know. Oh aggressive, and then it ends with and if I'm wrong, just keep it to yourself. Okay. Put it was a true like nice touching, but it had like an agro disc labor. Finding someone to mean no checks and don't. Interact with you. Machine a, where can we find you online on Twitter? I'm still great Delile on Twitter and I was on Instagram, but like lost my password over, I think had a pretty good amount of followers and I want to date on that riot site, but I can't get in with you. Oh, you do. I'm not ready yet. It's no, but you might be able to get Instagram to help you with that. Especially when I was gonna call Instagram and he's like, he's like, I think that's the oldest lady. Lucked out of my account. Once I had to like send a photo of myself holding a code that was right on paper and prove it was me and like smart. Yeah. Also I had my Twitter name changed also officially by Twitter. So if you want to try to get a different name on there, going back to them like I don't like the person I'm doors do I want that name forever, but it's my kid. I know. And it's easier to pronounce because people with other name, their grade Elise. Now Griffin, how do you miss that? Except for they spell it with an e at the end of an eye. And while we're plugging, what's your son's YouTube? Let's show. Oh. Tex Hammond, and you can see it's just Tex Hammond, I think. Yeah. And then you can see crafting with Debbie yells, does a character called target mom where he has like a wig that looks disturbing similar to my hair, and he's also the kid and the mom stays at target all the time buying things. Scandal and he has to wait while she. This friend, it's funny, give him some love on his. Yeah, that'd be so sweet. Well, thank you so much for being here. Thank you. This was a true pleasure out of peasant.

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Wed. 10/10 - Andy Rubin Can't Quit Smartphones

Techmeme Ride Home

19:34 min | 3 years ago

Wed. 10/10 - Andy Rubin Can't Quit Smartphones

"Vistaprint helps small business owners or people who produce podcast be prepared for when an opportunity comes along. You're next big opportunity is coming right now and all it takes to feel like you're ready to own. The now is ten dollars. That's a low price to have the confidence that you're always ready to make an impression or get seen in a new way with vistaprint. You can create a truly professional unique business card in minutes. Upload your own design or start with one of Vistaprint's professionally designed options. Vistaprint offers simple tools and a wide range of templates to choose from pick the paper stock style and quality. That's right for you. Choose your delivery speed order and receive your cards in his few. As three days. Your satisfaction is one hundred percent guaranteed or they'll make it right. Vistaprint wants you to do something great for your business right now, which is why tech me right on listeners will get five hundred high quality, custom business cards for only nine dollars ninety nine cents to get that deal. Use code ride at vistaprint. Dot com. That's code r. I d e at vistaprint dot com. Ride at vistaprint dot com. Welcome to the tech main right home for Wednesday, October tenth, two thousand eighteen. I'm Brian McCullough today. Windows needed a do over Snapchat hopes originals will give it one as well. Minecraft abandons apple TV and Andy. Rubin just can't quit smartphones. Here's what you missed today in the world of tech. I missed covering this due to the to Chuck full of Newsday's we've recently had, but over the weekend, Microsoft briefly pulled the release of that windows ten, October two thousand eighteen update because some users were complaining that their documents were suddenly being deleted. Well, Microsoft is re releasing the update, but only two windows insiders. Microsoft wants to make sure this will be fully fixed before rolling out again to everybody. Microsoft's John cable told the verge quote. We have fully investigated all reports of data loss identified and fixed all known issues in the update and conducted internal validation. We will carefully study the results feedback and diagnostic data from our insiders before taking additional steps towards re-releasing more broadly and quote. Files spontaneously disappearing seems to be fairly big issue for an OS release to not have ironed out before shipping, not sure how that could have been missed the verge did some digging and apparently that same windows insiders community did flag some of these very issues before the release. But Microsoft said they didn't have the proper tools for users to flag the severity of bugs when reporting them quote, we have added an ability for users to also provide an indication of impact and severity. When filing user initiated feedback, cable told the verge, we expect this will allow us to better monitor the most important issues. Even when feedback volume is low. End quote. Yeah, I kind of think that that's the way that sort of thing is supposed to work right. In that leaked memo from snap founder, Evan Spiegel. We spoke about a few days ago. One of the things he promised to double down on was original content produced for Snapchat, discover section. So in its ongoing efforts to right its ship and keep users engaged with the platform. Snapchat today launched snap originals twelve daily scripted original shows for the discover section with each episode lasting four or five minutes, the shows are being produced by top producers of TV content, like keeping up with the Kardashians and Friday night lights, reaction lenses will allow users to easily post about the shows and there's something called show Porto lenses that will allow users to post a virtual door. They can walk through to explore a scene from given show not sure I understand what that means, but apparently it's a tool that will help the show go viral quoting tech crunches, Josh constant. Time spent watching shows on Snapchat has tripled this year alone, snaps VP of original content. Sean mills tells me the stats on snaps, previous sixty shows from CBS Viacom, the NFL and others. Since the project launched two years ago, made it clear there was an opportunity to double down, especially as original mobile programming efforts like Facebook watch and Instagram's. I g TV have stumbled NBC news is twice daily show. Stay tuned has doubled viewership in the past year to five million unique viewers per day over half of which watch at least three days per week. While sportscenter show reaches seventeen million monthly viewers. End quote. These new shows will be monetize via two or three second commercials, which can't be skipped. Some of the shows are funded by the production studio partners, but some are funded by Snapchat itself. Constantine himself has written before that one of snaps, possible hail, Mary plays would be to position itself as a sort of HBO for smartphones. So clearly they're hoping one of these shows magically becomes a runaway hit a LA game of thrones maybe or maybe not because snap doesn't have the money to invest in something that grandiose more on that in a second ads constant, put it today, quote, snap is in the sex in the city pre sopranos stage of turning into the mobile box office or it's like a modern net flicks funding lots of experiments, but that's yet to find its house of cards and quote, I mentioned the snap money issue because yesterday a Wall Street analysts made some waves by issuing a. Search report that said, snap quote is quickly running out of money and quote, and may need to raise capital by the middle of next year analyst. Michael Nathanson wrote quote, we do not see snap reaching profitability in the near future, unless there are substantial expense reductions in two thousand nineteen. Snap will have to make some moves to ensure it has the liquidity to stay in business and quote at the time of this recording, snap this morning had hit a fifty two week low on its stock price at six dollars and seventy four cents. Snaps stock is down fifty, eight percent from its initial public offering in March of two thousand seventeen. One little detail that I didn't get to mention yesterday about the Google vent, let's say you get one of those new home hubs. You can use it as a photo album. Remember pools the photos right from your Google photos stream, but wait, would that even be a good idea? I mean, shouldn't I have to create a photo album or something? I otherwise, it'd just be showing those three blurry photos. I took last night and didn't delete and maybe a screen shot of a receipt from last night's seamless order. Well, no, because Google has also launched a service called live albums, which uses AI to automate the sharing of photos, both two groups of people and on things like the home hub. Here's how tech crunch describes it, quote in practice, it means that you wouldn't have to manually share photos with certain people ever. Again, you can just set up a live album once and then allow the automation to take over. For example, the feature could be used to share photos of your. Children with your extended family instead of just a spouse. You could also specify certain close friends who would always receive the photos. You took together and quote, and during the demo of the home hub yesterday, Google brag that the photos that pop up on this new device will quote never get stale because the live albums update automatically. Every time you take any pictures and quote, in other words, the AI will not leave out those blurry photos. The photos where no one is looking at the camera, those screen shots of last night's receipts. Microsoft has announced it is discontinuing support for the apple TV version of Minecraft and what has to be a serious blow for Apple's push into gaming via the apple TV device. Microsoft's reason for the move, there were simply no players quoting from business insider. We need to reallocate resources to the platforms that are players use the most a pop-up states. When you launch the game on apple TV, it's a dire statement about gaming on the apple TV Minecraft on apple TV was introduced to much fanfare under two years ago. It was played by so few people that Microsoft which owns and produces Minecraft discontinued support as of September twenty fourth and quote. So that's telling in and of itself. Note that this discontinuation happened a week ago and no one noticed, I guess that really is an indication. No one was using it. If you're. One of the apparently few people who was playing Minecraft on the apple TV. It will still continue functioning for at least the time being. But if that makes you nervous, and if you made any marketplace or other in game purchases over the last ninety days, apple is offering a refund through apple as web developer. Brian, Perry tweeted, if he can't sustain Minecraft on your platform, you probably aren't a gaming platform. I've mentioned some great deals from sponsors on here before you know, x percent off and that sort of thing. But what about a thousand dollars paid to you for finding a better job at a unicorn company? Listen up. The tech main ride home today is sponsored by leap dot AI leap dot a. I has a smart job board which contains a hundred thousand tech jobs all in one place from tech giant's to unicorns too early stage startups over a thousand companies sounds normal for a job site, right? But wait, there's more a lot more including that thousand dollars signing bonus for you. 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That's insanely great if you're looking for a job right now or even just thinking about a new job, why not get started, and maybe even get that thousand dollars go to leap dot AI slash bride. Again, that's leap dot AI forward slash our ide-. The tech maim right home is also sponsored by meta lab medal Abbas, you know is one of the few design agencies in the world that can take it product idea from end to end from napkin sketch to real shipped product. Today, I want to talk about mental apps work for Facebook. Facebook messenger team was rolling out a host of exciting new chat features and enlisted medal apps helped to design an experience that would educate developers on how best to use them mental app hit on the idea of showing people the power of chat bots instead of just telling them about them, they designed the interface, created the content and built the butts themselves all under the looming deadline of the f, eight developers conference, but no big deal. The chat features demo at Efate in two thousand seventeen thrilled. The crowd and showed the developer community, the endless possibilities inherent in this new type of interface and user experience. Metal AB wants to bring the same focus and vision to your project. Let medal lab help you take your idea and turn it into. To the next billion dollar app, visit medal app dot CO. That's metal lab dot CO and tell them Brian sent you. Here's an absolutely fascinating startup that I'd never heard of until now me KYW is a company that has raised what is reportedly the largest round so far this year for a Chinese startup. It just raised eight hundred million dollars from hill house capital and tiger global among others at a seven billion dollar valuation that beats the two point. Eight billion dollar valuation from its previous round in January of just this year. What me is is an online marketplace that let's restaurants across China, source vegetables from farmers. Here's how Bloomberg describes it quote Mikhail which means beautiful. Vegetable was founded in two thousand fourteen by Lou Chown June a rocket scientist who set a goal of sourcing produce for about ten million small and medium size restaurants in China, using a smartphone app customers can order specialties such as buk Choy and shed on pepper corns directly from. Farmers, disrupting traditional, wholesaling by cutting out middlemen. As of the end of last year may serve close to one hundred cities and revenue had surpassed ten billion Yuan and quote. So this is either an example of developing markets using twenty-first-century technology to create twentieth century infrastructure systems or else. It's a sign of frothiness in evaluation of Chinese startups. Generally as Jason Lumpkin tweeted, my limited partners laugh at my markups when they compared to their China funds. You can't keep Andy Rubin down. The man has a vision for mobile computing and seemingly that vision still has not been fulfilled. So he ain't stopping the Android. Creator is said to be hard at work on what he hopes will be another smartphone revolution after what can be generously described as disappointing sales of the essential phone. Rubens startup. A central products is putting everything aside to focus on a new phone that quoting Mark Gherman here, we'll try to mimic the user and automatically respond to messages on their behalf. Apparently essential was working on a home speaker and a completely different smartphone, but that is all being put on the burner for this new phone concept. That again, I'm going to let Mark Gherman described quote, the design of the new mobile device isn't like a standard smartphone. It would have a small screen and require users to interact mainly. Using voice commands in concert, with essentials, artificial intelligence software. The idea is for the product to book appointments or respond to emails and text messages on its own. According to people familiar with the plans users would also be able to make phone calls from the plan device. If all this sounds a bit like the scifi movie her that's sort of by design Ruben would like to capture people's imagination with a product that's truly different from alternatives and quote. So I guess a phone that can people for you in a separate interview with Bloomberg last year. Reuben seemed to hint at some sort of a similar concept, saying quote, if I can get to the point where your phone is a virtual version of you, you can be off enjoying your life, having that dinner without touching your phone, and you can trust your phone to do things on your behalf. I think I can solve part of the addictive behavior and quote. So there are some obvious technical hurdles to overcome here. Of course, if you're honest with yourself, Siri, Google assistant at all aren't really useful to the degree that Ruben just described. And if we're being super super honest, they're not even close, but essential does have three hundred million in funding to play with which as Gherman notes makes it the most ambitious consumer electronics start up in years. Finally today too quick check ins on beats that you know, I like to cover I, the streaming wars. You had to see that this was coming because why did AT and t. went to buy them in the first place other than to create a streaming service to rival Netflix, but Warner media parent division of HBO and now owned by AT and t. announced today that it will be launching a streaming service to rival Netflix sometime in q four of next year. HBO will apparently be the quote lead brand in the new service. Werner media CEO John stinky was on stage at the Vanity. Fair new establishment summit just a few hours ago. And he said, quote around HBO will come a great library of additional content from not only the Warner media properties, but also some selective third-party licensed content and the driver behind this is really straightforward. We know there's customers who love to engage with our content. We've got a great history of building it much of which they can't get in one place and. Quote. And Waymo announced that it's a driverless cars have now driven ten million miles on public roads up from five million miles driven just eight months ago in a blog post celebrating the milestone Waymo CEO John Krankic wrote quote today, our vehicles are fully self-driving around the clock and a territory within the metro Phoenix area. Now we're working to master even more driving capabilities so our vehicles can drive even more places and quote Waymo still says that it plans to launch a fully autonomous taxi service in Phoenix later this year. So maybe that's my real yardstick for if driverless cars are really going to be on our road by twenty twenty challenge and don't forget Waymo ordered sixty two thousand Fiat Chrysler minivans in may in order to gear up for a taxi service. So again, for all my skepticism around the space, I'm happy to be proven wrong, happy to be proven wrong. By the by. I think we might have an answer to the mystery of why subscribers coming from Google play have gone all parabolic lately, listener, Alex Khaskhanov got in touch over Twitter to tell me that apparently a lot of podcast apps in the Android or Google app store have either gotten shutdown lately or are suddenly Chuck full of inserted ads. So users like him have been pushed to the stock Google podcasts app or are switching over out of frustration. So yeah, that seems like that would do it. Well, if you're one such listener, thanks for staying loyal and we subscribing to this pod, even if you have to jump ship on your podcast platform much-appreciated talk to y'all tomorrow.

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OUR PARENTING JOURNEY

The Good Life with Stevie & Sazan

1:00:29 hr | 3 years ago

OUR PARENTING JOURNEY

"The following program is brought to you by your friends at podcast one. Don't forget to download our new podcast one out. Have you heard metro by t mobile now includes Amazon prime? Yes, enjoy the best of shopping and entertainment movies, TV shows music, free shipping and much more all included for just forty dollars per line for three lines all on the T mobile network. Discover the smarter way metro by t mobile that's genius one offer per account offers subject to change twelve ninety nine per month. Value offer valid for new Amazon prime members at your customers. Made us reduce speeds versus some t mobile customers video at forty p capable device required. See store for details and terms and conditions. Tis the season. Guys. We've got teens birthday coming up and Christmas with that being said, I've got a list of people's gifts that I've gotta get and this year, I want to go big or go home in the sense that I want to get gifts that are awesome. And that people can cherish and have forever with that being said, you all have probably heard me talk about my obsession with thread up by now. And if you haven't well, let me tell you about it real quick girlfriend threat up is. The world's largest online consignment and thrift store with up to ninety percent off estimated retail price. That's ninety percent off. So if you've got a gift to give this year. Well, you can go big because they've got like thirty five thousand brands from made well banana Republic to Steve Madden Kate Spade. All those designer brands, but for an amazing discount price. They're not even gonna know. Plus if you go to threat up dot com slash good life today. You'll get an extra thirty percent off your first order using code Susanne. That's like stupid shape threat up is the perfect place. When you're looking to update your wardrobe on a budget or to splurge and get your friends the best Christmas gifts. There are so many cute items for a deal, you can find anthropology skirt for ten bucks a gap dress for only eight bucks Steve Madden booties for sixteen dollars and a free people top for twelve dollars add that to your car. Okay. So if you like to shop like, I do and get really cool gifts, you can go. Thread up dot com. That's T H R E D up dot com to get that extra. Thirty percent off your first order again, that's threat up dot com slash good life. You're going to want to put that in there for an extra thirty percent off today merry Christmas or I should say Christmas came early this year. What's up everybody? Welcome back to the. I hope you guys are an excellent day. Because today is a great episode. First of all, we're gearing up for Teini's first birthday next month. We're taking a moment to reflect on our first year of parenting. It's been a doozy. And join us as we talk about the highs the lows, and the topic of mommy shaming. Oh, no, she will media. Plus, we're taking your calls to help decide. Should we go big? Or should we stay home for teens first birthday in two weeks? What do we do? Today's episode is all about teeny and parenting, and I'm just gonna start it out because it's stuck in my brain. And I'm just going to say gimme a beat boys. Might see knee might tiny might see need see need tiny might see me tiny might see knitting neat. Tiny might see. Oh my gosh. Well, you guys have followed me on Instagram than you know, that that song made its debut back in December twenty seventeen when I first had teeny are so many John RAs. Sean just learned about the song today when I came into the studio singing it, and we are just so happy to be celebrating Teini's first birthday coming up soon. You know, we just literally got back from Bora Bora yesterday and low talk about getting back on track in off of that island time day goes by slow there, can I just say that does definitely creep on by. But I have to say it was a much-needed getaway for Sa's on. And I were able to clear our minds dive into the ocean feel the breeze, and we are back with passion and ready to roll again on the good life to save a you look even sexier when you've got a little glow. You've got this little sun tan going on all these freckles are puffing. If you guys don't know this. I do look like Tom Hanks from castaway growth a beard and got a little sun tan since I came back, and I'm kind of feeling the vibrant now and the way my wife's looking at me. You sexy. This no shave November thing that you've been doing unintentionally might I add is really working for you. Honey. Thank you. I'm actually enjoying it. But but in all seriousness, it was it was much needed. A great relaxation time Suzanne, and I rarely get time to clear our minds and to refresh. And it was so good for us to connect again when we are on our board were trip. This was a work trip. By the way, we got to go with Nour's, and it was cool because we got to be a part of this exciting activation that they have for an upcoming product that I actually got to be the first one to use like before it even hits the market. So we got to do this entire trip and along the way on this trip obviously being away from teeny. I really felt tested because this was the first time I had ever spent a week away from teeny. And a week really is a long time. If you're a mom out there, you know, the pain of leaving your child and while we were there. I really did struggle with you know, missing the baby back home. Trying to coordinate face times while she was napping. And just all that to say that a little bit of mommy, shaming did happen while I was there on my social media, and it really got me down, and I really discovered something through that. Mommy, shaming. And I thought I would share it which I'm gonna do later on in the show. But today's episode is really lighthearted, and it's going to be a fun one. But before we jump into the fun game and everything we have plan. We just have to take a second to address the wildfire that has been in his still going on here in southern California. Two of our friends are actually saying at our house because the air pollution, the air quality is just so bad right now. And they live very close to the area. That's been affected by the fire. Thankfully, I don't think they're home has been affected. However, they're just more safe right now staying with us, and it's just been so scary keeping up with the news and everything going on. Right. There's been a number of people that we know actually on them. My. Uncle the house that I lived in. When I moved here the pastor's family. It took me is right on the border of those fires and a friend of ours actually, posted a picture and we've been to her houses on of the fire that literally was creeping on top of the hill next to her house. You can see it from her iphone. It was probably one hundred yards away. And she said thank you so much the firefighters they stopped the fire. They spent all night out there to save our home. But that's not the case. Some people's homes are burning. I have friends that watch other people's houses burn. And it's it's really a big deal. You guys can you? Imagine us opening up our front door in seeing a fire off in the distance. I really in that situation. Don't know what I would do. And while we were in Bora Bora, I honestly told Stevie like, yo we should probably have some kind of a backup plan in the event, we might need to just like grab our things and head out the door because you just never know, thankfully, we live far away from the fires. But again, anything is possible. So I don't know. It's just been kind of a wake up call for every. One that lives in California. I feel to really just like just appreciate your life. The ones in your life, your home, everything around you into preciado, California because literally Malibu is one of my favorite one of my favorite places that I've ever been to California, we got married in Malibu. And it's so heartbreaking to see that. Hundreds of thousands of acres have now been burned, and it's just been really really sad. I've been kind of pressing onto the news, which I don't usually do because it makes me really sad, but I can't help but keep up. So I think the latest is, you know, anybody out there as like what can I do? Like, I want to help I want to support in some way, I read that Red Cross is saying to avoid bringing donated items like food and clothing at the shelters at this time. Just because they're stocked up with all of those things. However, they said the best way to support the disaster victims is with a financial donation. I mean, just imagine these victims literally have nothing right now. So saving are gonna be going on. They're making our donation today. And if you guys want to join us, you can go to redcross dot org or. You can call one eight hundred Red Cross for more information on that. And you guys the fires are not only in southern California. But also, there's a massive fire up in northern California in Chico that has killed over thirty people you guys. So this is doing a lot of damage to a lot of families to a lot of homes. So if you can't send money, please just get the word out to people who can and help in any way. His prayers prayers. Go up to the firefighters the families the victims everyone who's affected by this. We just ask our good life fam- to lift everyone up and just please keep California in your prayers at this time quickly, you guys, let's just do a prayer together. If you're in your car, you're sending homeless all do it right now. It says in the bible in two more gathered together the God. Yes, I love that you're prayer. So you guys let's just pray really quickly. God we just lift up. Everybody in California right now. God that's going through. That's been a victim of this fire. Lord, that know somebody who's been a victim. Lord. There's so many people being infected whether it's their wallet. They're house. God. Or just even their memories. Lord. I just pray that you would protect them. I pray that you would have mercy God. And that you would send rain Lord help firefighters God who've been fighting all night, God, give them strength. Give them wisdom and send more aid. God, I just pray that something that was meant for harm would be turned around for something for good that would bring unity bring people together. God and ultimately bring more life. We pray the name Jesus. Amen. That said that this may be the largest now damaged from the largest California fire ever smoke plume has reached Massachusetts a smoke has reached Massachusetts the entire opposite corner of our country. Wow. They say over six thousand structures businesses and homes. So I mean, lots of people very very wise, very businesses, a shutdown affects even more people that I mean, it's just it's just wild. How big it is scary. But it's it's good to see that we can all come together in these these times that we can take care of each other. This is an opportunity. This is an opportunity for us to good. And when we step up, it doesn't go miss you guys. So if you feel it in your heart police step up, please help out. All right. You guys before we just have to switch this which the gears here go go back to the whole parenting thing. But teeny tells you guys what did you think of that? That was our many little bonus episode. That dropped last week here on the good life podcast, and it was a little lesson a teeny lesson I should say that Stevie, and I have learned about parenting, which inspired this full episode today because people loved it so much. I got so many message of support. And so we decided today that we would expand on that. That's right. You guys. By the way, Shawn came up with that shout out to Sean for the title of that series. Noah's brush off my shoulders. He's like, I'll invoice you. Oh my gosh. All right. Are you ready to play a game coming up? I'm ready to play a game Saz before we get to that game. We need to talk about what we're doing for dinner. And that means yes, we're talking about sun basket because guess what? It's organic. It's healthy. It's easy. It's convenient. And there's something about the fall weather you guys when you go into fall. 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You can go to sun basket dot com slash design today to learn more and get thirty five dollars off your first order again. That's sun basket dot com slash design to get thirty five dollars off your order today. Go to sun, basket dot com slash design. I'm so excited to play a little game with my hubby. My mom will not stop hitting me up. She literally keeps texting me photos of teeny from when we went to Texas, and she's just like says bring her back bring her back. I'm like mom, literally, my laptop right now is going ham. Because honestly, by the way, we were gone for a week. Alright she is moving and leaps and bounds. She's learning. New words. He started doing. Ooh, my sister. Try to our daughter's a monkey now, babe. She is an today. And so are you guys I want to share this with you? You'll will be the first to know besides his on today. She said how I told her. I said, ow, because she pinched me, and she goes out, and then and then when we were leaving I said by she goes back stop. This is my baby girl is growing up quick you guys her one year birthday is around the corner that birthday party is coming up. Stay tuned later because we're still going to get your questions just want to say before we get into the game. And obviously all the amazing calls that we have in the show. I just gotta say baby. You are an amazing. Dad, and you've been killing it. This has been our first year of parenting, and I know this game that we're about to play is gonna put us both up for the challenge of who's the better parent. I'm just kidding. We're not doing that. But we're going we're going head to head. Or is it neck-to-neck we can go neck to neck if you neck to neck on this game. And we're haven't even told you guys the game. But basically, I just want to say that before things get heated. You're an amazing dad, and I know that I'm gonna win. And I just want you to know. Because you're going to look. I was giving you a compliment. But then I kind of started trolling you. I know and I actually really liked that. I like it sweet with sour. Oh, you know what I'm saying? Oh, you know, what I'm saying Shawn cookies a little salt on top. All right. You guys. So the game is very interesting. We're going to play a game that allows you to pick a movie title based on the experience that we had as a parent. So basically Shari's aid a scenario or an experience that we had as a first year parent, and we have to come up with a movie title that does exist and give it the proper name, so Sean judge. He's also going to be the game show host Sean can we roll in with a little game show music here. An accent. Parenting. The blue. The rocky music rock music. Good corner. Real. Sorry. I had to do the Middle Eastern singer singer Dinger. Thanks so much for having me here today to be such a great show because I'm such a great mom, Sean. Your bias here the judge so neutral. Those the residual from the crowd to slowly building up. Steve wasn't wasn't. You guys get real amped up. You know, I feel like this is really coming down to not who's the better parent. It's who knows better movies, and I feel like equally suck at this game. So it'll be great. All right, John. Okay. Question. Number one. When describing parenting in comparison to titles, describe the exhaustion, sleep deprivation and foggy brain Lou. I feel like I'm feel show right now. Who's going I save you you go ahead. I gotta think sleepless in Seattle. Wow. I'm going to have to go with big girls. Don't cry. Yes. It is a movie Google it, Sean. Thanks. Kirke? No. It's also a some envy. See you're already being very competitive. Sean Maleta snow. Sleepless. First year. I imagine you sleep. Absolutely. Okay. So you're being literal with your choices. Stop complaining point one. Steve fine. We still have like five more to go number two that feeling when Tini I crawled I got it was in. Veep. What is the sound of a buzzer? The fast and the furious. She was going for that necklace. You gotta say it, and you can't hype your own thing. You're just you're just he standing right here. Of you make a pick it. Get to sell your Godzilla. Why? I'm going to have to go says on this one. Criteria, sir. Okay. Mr. you're being very aggressive. Question three when Tini had to wear a helmet. The longest yard. What is that? I'm gonna have to go with apocalypse. Now. What she kind of looked like a little gremlin. That will be the movie gremlins. Then is that a movie? Yeah. It makes you just look like with her helmet. Looks like a transformer not changing my answer four years. Wow. You can't change your answer. Sean teller. No. I can I didn't buzz, Sean. Can you change your answer? Hey. Actually, I'm change. Can I change my answer again for third time? It just came to me. Go ahead you go. I want to hear your third answer. Now. What's yours? No. You gotta go. I'm gonna say million dollar baby. Wow. Does that help? It was not cheap. Good. What was your? I'm go. I'm gonna go Rudy. Why overcoming obstacles football player? Okay. For the sports. Reference are going to get. Mosquito bites plead bias judge two to one. Okay. Great. Four. The most explosive diaper trade. See that would be Apocalypse Now. But I've got one for this one as well myself. I'm gonna go. Stop googling stuff says. Looking at my Instagram can't Google thing. I'm gonna go with what is Armegeddon? Okay. Mine's better. I'm going to have to go with one of my favorite movies, starring Julia. Robert you guys have any guesses. Julia Roberts, and he guesses. No, eat pray. Love. Whoa. In that order. He pray and just love your baby because they're going to have. Poop all over you today. She did it. I was like Lord help me right now. What wherever she a needs some prayer considering the question was explosive diarrhea, I will give it to St.. Not having mercy over your child who and the one that you got was pity haters gonna hey, I have to feel like maybe Rugrats gone wild might be a good one. Good one. All right question. Number five when TD gives you the sweet little. Okay. You go ahead. I'm going to have to say, it's a wonderful life. One of my favorites. Been says be there is a reverse. Yeah. Okay. The question was a loss. Seriously. What are you doing breakfast at Tiffany's? I don't know. I'm going to have to go with those all what if you literally chose Steve I would know you are a little sexist what the scorch three to to me to go. What do we do? If there's a tie. I'm winning. Tiebreaker. All right questions. You question. What movie title best describes the joys of parenting? I'm ready. Life is beautiful you ducks like the same movie title, just but they both soft in my head at the same time. Okay. Doesn't life is beautiful and kind of sad though. My answer is girl. Oh. The is good. But I'm going to get this one too. So saw. Applause to both parents ios applause. Lilly. She basically us all the same answer twice, Sean tiebreaker. Wow. Remind me to talk to you after all right on for the tiebreaker question. What's a movie that describes sees spirit while playing this game? Can you say psycho? American psycho, get out. Okay. I'm honor. All I'm loving this. Sean us to ask the question cakes. Okay. And for our tiebreaker question, the high cost of raising children. This is an old one. It's a goody from our childhood. Hopefully, they saw blank check. Whatever you want. And if you wanna play that game from our childhood, Richie, rich. Because it's expensive really loved both of those movies. Preston waters was a great kid. But I was a big time coleco convince. Red corner. I just wanna make my speech. Go ahead and play the Oscar winning music. I would like to thank teeny for being such a great daughter. And I would also like to thank Sean for not being sexist and last I would like to thank my opponent Stevie for having such a great spirit and. Before we'll be making me dinner tonight, whether it sun basket or not he's making me dinner because he gave it to you a sympathy. Sounds like. Sounds like better. Now, stop stepping on the speech. Sounds like somebody's a little sore. Loser. Loser speech Stevie go ahead. Sean definitely cheated me at built like my answers were better. We'll be back next year. Capitalize sidebar talks to you afterwards. Okay. So how did you feel about the contests? Did you feel like he was rigged? No, I'm the guy in the locker room after losing the NBA finals. Yeah. I felt like we were the better team things we could sharpen up. I think there's some things we could do better. But ultimately, we were better, and the rested and give us a chance anyways. I'm going to not have champagne now, you're out three strikes. You're out. That's baseball. Right. Okay. Cool. Dave, I love you. No matter what we're both winners because teen is blessed to have both as her parents. And that's the way to go. Whatever bay. All right. You guys onto a lighter? Topic holidays are finally here. If you're ready for some Turkey, if you ready for Christmas time, you guys then you need to be thinking about your holiday cards and your holiday right here, you need to send your holiday cards before the holidays are actually here. So right now is the time to do it. And vistaprint is the company to help you out. Now when says on and I I got married we didn't actually send out cards. We used a picture from our wedding. But this year, we are already. We did a family shoot with teeny. And I cannot wait to print those bad boys out to send them. Everyone's really our first family. 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But I think in Bora Bora kind of elevated a little bit, and I sort of had enough. And I said, this is something we need to talk about on our show because I not only have experienced it. But so many of my fellow influence her mom, friends and celebrity friends. I feel like social media is I've said this before it could be a blessing and a curse. And when I was in Bora, Bora, I experienced the curse of social media. I'll just say that I don't wanna get into exactly what these comments were. But I'll just say an in a nutshell of paraphrasing. What these comments said it was multiple people getting on my page. Wjr seeing these photos of me in Bora Bora, obviously a beautiful island. But we were also they're working which in our world. Sometimes people don't understand like influencers. We don't just get to travel to these beautiful places in literally just lay on a beach all day. This is work. Right. Well, a lot of these comments were saying things like how can you just leave your child like how can you just leave your child to go on vacation into lay out in party or another comment said, you know, I'm such an amazing mom, I I'm with my kids every single day. How could you leave them in abandoned your daughter, and I don't ever let comments get to me on social media, really? And if they do I kind of laugh at often, it's whatever, but since becoming a mom when somebody attacks my integrity, or my character as a mother, that's where it really kind of your what they're drawing the line there. What is the saying below the belt? Maybe correct me. Honey. That's right. And it just really kind of hit. Hit me where it hurts because I had never been away from teeny this long for a week, and it was already hard being there and every mom out. There knows the pain of when you have to leave your child. Right. The the pain of like, I'm going to my nine to five job like you still have to get up in the morning and leave your child like that's also a heartache that a mother feels when she has to go leave for work, and it's really no different in my situation, you know, YoM going to this beautiful island. But it was really hurtful to read some of these comments because people really don't understand that like influencers where people to where human and we're working, and we're hustling and everything that I'm doing is for teeny. And it just was really hard. And it was a big pill to swallow when I was in Bora Bora, and it was something that I told Stevie about. And I said I feel like we need to talk about this. Because it's not right. It really is it you gotta we gotta stop that. There's there's two things here. Yes. We get to travel for work. And it's amazing. We had a. Great time in bore a bore you guys. It was a very special trip. But that actually doesn't happen often in that way. And number two, it's not all fun and games. When we go on these trips. I mean, it's it's working most of the time this trip. Thankfully, we had a lot of time to relax, but most of the time you guys. Yes, we're in Paris. But you're seeing us captured good content for you guys. But you're not seeing all the things that go on behind the scenes all the meetings that we have to take all things with run too. But we are so thankful that we get to do these trips. Even when we have to work, we feel very privileged. And I think one thing that people have to understand is that in our business, we work from home. They we don't work a nine to five a lot of women who work nine to five have to say goodbye to their baby in the morning and don't get to see them until they come home at five maybe six o'clock and only get to spend a few hours with them a day. We are lucky and blessed enough that we work at home. Home. And I told you we get to see our daughter on average more than most parents, and you know, like to step in here too. I as a third party just just a third party. Observer here you watch Tom Brady play football on Sundays. But you don't see his kids on his Instagram very much. You don't you know? So why are you asking him of why he's you know, it's just really out of play any and those football players and basketball players in any celebrity. Do you do you ever see the rocks kids? No, you don't because you know, what he's got a life, and he's he's traveling to. But you're not asking the rock. Why are you in Australia? Right. But specifically for moms. This is a good point. Because there's mothers out there who play professional basketball there, our producer, but their life isn't on display and also they they're not making themselves vulnerable for people to go and comment because they see a certain they see a lot of our life. But they only see a certain part of their lives. And what I what frustrates me is that people attack you and you've made yourself open vulnerable to them says for whatever target for whatever reason, they're attacking you in that really upsets me because they don't know you there Suming a lot of things, and they don't see the whole picture, and it's almost like if you stepped into their life and assumed all these things about them and said, well, you're not a good mom because of this. You know, what that's that's bogus because we all have a different path that we're walking on. But I can tell you guys onto percent Sazonon. I love our daughter to death, and we give effort, and we think about. That just loving her and spending time, and we think about the things that we do with her says on is. So you're so thoughtful bape with what you do with teeny you wake her up in the morning, and you read her book, you know, you're always talking about expanding her mind, you know, and then feeding her good food. I mean, you're so intentional. And I just wanna say that because you need to be given that recognition. You know? I'm just kind of using my experience as an example. But it just it makes me sad for every mom out there. Because even if you're not an influence there. You know, there was a study that was done at the university of Michigan. And they basically found that like over sixty percent of the women that they serve it. It was like over four hundred and fifty women sixty over sixty percent said that they have been mommy shamed. In one or more areas of their life. Whether it's, you know, being a new parent and other people telling you how to parent to social media being a place where people feel like they all want to have a comment or an opinion, and they want to judge, and you know, being a new parent. We're figuring this thing out. And I am the first one to tell you that. I do not have it all figured out. I'm not perfect. And neither are you. You know, nobody is perfect. And I just wanted to talk about this. So that the next time you see a mother. To understand that. She's not perfect. And that it's really hard being a mom. And if there's anything that you can say to that mom, it's to just encourage her into just say, you know, what you're great mom, and to speak words of light in positively over that mother because you don't even want to know how many diapers? She changed today. You know what I mean? And I just think it's important like since I became a mom when I see another mother it. Yeah. It's easy to compare. You know, but I just made it a priority, and I've been more intentional about just going above and beyond to smile at that mom or to complement that mom at the airport to help someone opened the door because we've got to stick together. And what makes me sad is all of these comments that I got when I actually clicked on the profiles of these women. They were also moms and I said, oh my gosh. How can another mom who should understand the pain of leaving her child in that? This is a tough thing. She's the one attacking, and that's something that we've got to stop. Right now. And so I thought we would talk about this on the show, and and just try to resolve it by just being more of a light and being positive, and it goes back to the whole saying if you don't got anything nice to say don't say it at all. And that's really just the thing. We don't have to go out buttering up every single person we see in fluffing people's feathers, or whatever, you know. I it's just a simple fact of of knowing your place in somebody's life. So if you're a good friend, the somebody says, and you're close to them, and you know them, you know, their life. You know, the things that they go through and you saw something that was happening as a parent, it's really hard to even tell a friend like, hey, you're being a bad friend, but it would be even harder to tell friend whose apparent, hey. You know? I mean, our parents don't even want to tell us, you know, they're they're wary of that because because people got to figure things out, but everyone's different. But you can't just look at someone's life from the outside. And be like, hey, you're a terrible mom. It's like, whoa. Whoa. Whoa. A good friend of mine. We'll have a hard time saying that. And then you've got people commenting this online because they get to hide behind social media and their keyboard? And all that. But even if you know, my brother was doing something as a dad, and I didn't agree with it. I would think a few times before approaching him about that. Because number one, he's a great guy. And I trust him as a dad, and obviously is going to make his mistakes, but it's really not your place unless you're literally in his shoes, which you never will be. You've got no place to judge somebody and it really is the tone. And obviously if you are coming at eleven place in your genuinely concerned, there's the way to communicate if there was something, right? Big enough deal. Yes, I find so many situations where everybody feels like. They're an expert at your life. Whether it is parenting or figuring out your career path. Whatever that is. Everybody's an expert nowadays, especially when you give them an Instagram handle, and it's just like chill out, homey because we've got to figure out this thing ourselves, and there's one thing to encourage someone, but it's another thing to put someone down. And that's not okay. What I find interesting. Is that this this? Mommy, shaming is a term now. It's like a thing that's used. Mommy, shaming. I've never heard daddy shaming. Exist. Well, no. But I'm saying, right? Exactly that you had to ask doesn't mean. That's the thing now on here about it. Well, number number one because of more women's shifting into the workplace there is there are. Stay at home that are that are fulltime moms, and that's a time job your full time. Mom, and there's women who go into the workplace in they have to leave their kid for certain amount of time. And I find it interesting that there's so much women empowerment out there, and there's so many women going into the workforce. But yet we have this conversation and this term, mommy shaming because it's an actual problem. It's really unfortunate. But there's not a lot of daddy shaming out there. That's such a great point. And I'm just going to add something briefly by saying, you know, this whole thing about, you know, women empowering women, I'm all about it. And if you're going to be about it, then you need to practice. What you preach. And I think a lot of times people are all about the women empowerment, and you see it you see other women attacking women all of these shaming comments came from other moms, and I was just so sad to see that. And you know, women a lot of women some women out there. They may support you until you hit. Them with something that is like hitting their insecurity button. And when they see maybe on a beach. Maybe they start to think, well, I've always wanted to have more vacation. But I'm here stuck with five kids, and they will never say that, but they're going to project that insecurity through their comments. And what they say so all that to say, I just had to get this off my chest. Because I've been getting a lot of DM's people, obviously are being so supportive a lot of you guys came to my rescue. I really don't need all of that. I appreciate the support. But I just want to address the mommy shaming because my heart goes out to other new moms out there who are figuring this out, but who are also passionate who have dreams. And so I just encourage all those moms to keep going and to not let other women or whoever gets you down on a matter. What it is you guys? Let's just be a little bit kinder kinder to each other. Let's be a little bit slower to speak something negative something angry. You guys be about the build up and not about the breakdown. All right. You guys we've got your calls coming up. Right now, we are so excited about this. Because they don't even know that they're getting called by Stevie and citizens better behave. That's all I'm gonna say, oh, I'm not. Have you heard metro by t mobile now includes Amazon prime? Yes, enjoy the best of shopping and entertainment movies TV shows using free shipping and much more all included for just forty dollars per line for three lines Paul on the T mobile network. Discover the smarter way metro by t mobile that's genius one offer per account offer subject to change twelve ninety nine per month. Value offer valid for new Amazon prime members your customers may notice reduce speeds versus some T mobile customers video at forty p capable device required. 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And I think for me after reaching about four months postpartum, I started to get into a groove, and I really started to sort of figure out like this whole mommy journey with that being said, I've sort of found this newfound confidence in myself that I can be an example for teeny in so many areas of my life. You know, she's out of stage right now where she is literally copying everything that I do at just realized the power of influence as the mom over tina's life is just so beautiful. And I love that. I can. Inspire teeny in more ways than one. Obviously, you know, I want to teach her how to cook all of my favorite meals. I want to be able to show teeny. How to be a great mother for herself one day. I've got plenty of time for that. But also, I want to be an example sort of how I carry myself. I wanna pass down this beautiful generation of confidence. And I feel like I can do that with teeny. And I love that Ulta beauty believes that beauty is limitless. 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So that's what one over the winter. I figured there's no one better to ask than an uncle. So I'm Dave. The question is my guy. Do we go big for Tim's birthday? Or do we go small you're on the air? Tell us what you think gosh. And I think if you go for teens, so it's birthday should go. Big. How big are we talking? But. Big lake Chucky cheese big. Oh, man. The truth, bro. I wanna read Chucky cheese. I'd be down. Dave. What are we talking about here? Let's get down to brass tacks. I think that you should do like a in home, but do big lake like during the L. Like, ooh. Kind of like Christmas themed, Dave. Yeah. We'll winter birthday December fifth my guy it's coming up in a couple of weeks. That's not a bad idea forcing everyone who's coming to come in cost day. Dave, I I need. I need you to consult me. Or if we're going to go at the home, we have a big front yard. Are you saying I go bouncy house? How's the weather there? Fires over there. Oh, man. Yeah. The fires actually aren't thank God they're far from us. So we have praying by December. Those fires are gone for those. This will definitely loved your response though. Thank you so much day for colonists in and for us being able to call you back. Oh, hey. And if you need somebody in the cost Q Moby. Moby Seattle washing their. If you need a Santa Claus costume down. Got my beard growing. You know, almost as good as Steve. Look at him boosting his TV smiling from ear to ear. Dave. Well, thank you so much for calling day. We will talk to you soon. On the sex on babe. I'm going to I'm gonna mess with them. Really quick. Oh god. What he means? Dan, by oh, Lord. Has this? Stephanie. Yes. It is Stephanie money scooter, I work for a plumbing company down the street, and you're on the good life. Here was Steve pack. Hey, seventy that was. Devious such troll. We are on the air. And he literally through that curve ball on me right now. He's like I'm gonna try to trick. This is your story of my life right now. This man, drives me crazy. Okay. The real reason we called you girl. I thank you for. Thank you for setting your phone number. I was like let me call her up. So we wanna know should we go big? Or should we stay home for teens birthday? Girl. They go big Fratini cheating. Go big for teeny. That picture. Tiny girls are such a big first thing. Oh, so that we get Stephanie. We're going to slow again that put that on T shirt tiny girl. Awesome. So what are we talking about here? What is your your picture of what this party should look like, oh my God. We honi. Ponies? You work going girl ponies. I don't think it's a little silly. Okay. I can already see myself. If I imagine me posting this photo teeny on her pony. Her first birthday. I can already see the mommy shaming comments pouring in like girl. She's not going to remember this. What do you do this for you or for your daughter or for saving? Don, q the music. Are you playing? No, you are not right now that is not the Lord healthy. Stephanie. Right. Teeny will not. Are you talking about cowgirl framed birthday guys? Oh, that's sweet. So really, I think it's really for the family for parents. They really they want for their child 'specially being I hear you're doing it really for yourself. So because I'm not gonna listen to she's not gonna remember this. So what you're telling me is there's wine at the one year old. With Stevie ones. I cannot with him. Cake. Stephanie. But there's other children. Their ponies wine is not a good combination. Stevie shouldn't be invited to his birthday party. If you continue at this rate, you're gonna scare all the kids away at this party with your creepy. Plummer voice. Let's be real place. I'll take his girl. Hey Steffi's coming over. Well, thank you so much for allowing us to call you back and for hanging out with us. Thank you. And. Support girl into things bearing with. Have a good one. All right. He says gimme gimme a beat. No. What actions? Should I do man river? That's creepy. Hang up. Really do British exit from the UK's Jacqueline this like Stevie Australian voices pretty killer. Okay. Now into it. Hoy's jecklin may choline era crooked shortage in your area. And we wanted to. Okay. Jecklin dive answers jecklin mine's Todd calling that is not the name might be these jecklin. Hi, joe. Danny Haith calling from calling from the epic. Hello jason. Haji din calling from steakhouse. You've got five stakes waiting for you coming. Oh, wait what I'm just deviants designed from the good live. I hear here baby in the background. I know. Yeah. You know, all about. Hey, mama. We're just not working. Too much of your time. Because I know what mom life is like, but to ask you since your mom what we farm I for teens first birthday, go big. Or do we stay at home? I went with my daughter actually, have a three and a half year old. But we would little one. Oh, goodness. Sorry. This is for shadowing. We're we're right behind you girl. That's what we're getting teaser that baby. Girl, you go right ahead. Don't let us stop. Yeah. I wanna grab I'm talking to kiss. You have. I just the two. Girl. What are the names? Harper rose is my little girl. Benjamin. We know who to call if we can't think of any baby names. I'm win. I would kind of be with my daughter, and I feel like it's like highlight. The only birthday you can go big and no one will say, okay. So you're saying to go. I would. I mean, we didn't go huge. But he was you know, she wore flower headband. We end mean it was it was pretty fun. But I have a question, though, if you had to pick super flame theme super awesome theme for the birthday. No, watching her and her keel personality. I would I wouldn't something I'm trying to take like nut, but like acute circus tight alike because animal should. Dress up in full garb and like turn myself into like. Oh, gosh. No. That's a little creepy. Honey. I cannot do with him the greatest showman. There you go. He loves that movie. Don't get him started. I do not want him to sing. Well, thank you so much for your. Of course, outback's stakes. Actually, really. I don't know if you don't crossed over on the other law told those people to go away if you could just come in. It's only gonna be twenty dollars. Then you could take me another twenty four you have to come all the way to Australia. All right. Thank you so much for allowing us to call. You get back to those cute babies of durable names. You're not there. Thanks for calling have a good one. I love your podcast of you guys. Thanks jacqueline. Almost full on mom, and I actually felt bad for a second. Because as soon as I called the baby. We've got stikes view. And I could just tell she was like what I know. I was just looking at you like are you really still going through with this right now? Crying bail. Yeah. Sean was back there like putting the handers. Stop. Don't don't if any of you guys out. There have kids, you know, when you're handling your kid, and and someone calls you, especially somebody that's giving you some bogus rabble. You don't have time for that. So that's true. Thanks for hanging up on me. And thanks for allowing us to call. You being a part of the good a lot more calls on our show. We just love interacting and hanging out with you guys. And honestly those calls really helped because I feel like we're gonna find a good middle in between. You know? It's like it is for first birthday. So like Jacqueline said you want. This is the time to go big. But at the same time, you wanna make it something that's familiar for teeny. And you know, she ain't going remember it? So we don't need to honestly, get ponies. I'm sorry. I feel like Stephanie was right? Like, the first birthday really is more for the parents. That's right. We we made it to this first TV space on he's like so sad right now, we're not getting. Tony hunting, you can still dress up like a giraffe though. I like the circus idea style. We'll still have uncle Dave come down because he said he would costume, Dave. Down from Washington. Stephanie. There's not going to be any ponies. There will be wine. K jacqueline. Thank you for your overall. Great advice because your mom mom. Yes. There you go. All right. You guys. It is time for the good word of the week before do that you guys just want to thank our sponsors the curly sun basket, all to beauty threat up. And vistaprint you guys without them. We couldn't bring the good life to you for free. So thank you so much, and you guys I want you to do me a quick favor. If you haven't already leave a review on our podcast on the podcast app in I tunes guys mean so much to us. It brings us up in the chart sue we can get the good word out. And if you can't do that for me, please share the episode on your story with your friends when you're talking to somebody who needs here this episode, please share the good life with them. You guys that means so much his on. And I and again, we appreciate all of your support out there. We love the fam- you guys. All right. It's time for the good word of the week. Hit us with it baby. I had a realization this week when we were out of town in Bora, Bora and the fire struck and two of our friends who lived close to where the fires were had to evacuate, and they came over to our house, and thankfully, there places not been burned. But they were at our place. And they all huddled together. My sister is there watching teeny says on sister. Was there hanging out our other friend was there, and then our two friends that had to evacuate. The all took a group picture you guys in our living room, and they were cuddled together on a Friday morning. I saw that picture, and it meant so much to me because says on and I always wanted our house and are home to be a blessing to others in a safe haven and a safe haven. But ultimately whenever we have people over at the house. We want them to feel blessed. We want them to feel taking care of. And we want them to be at complete rest you guys, and I was told a longtime. I was told before the best parenting advice that this man could give me who has amazing children told me hospital is key. If you can be a great host to good people. It will pay you back, and it will also bless your children. So you guys I just want to encourage you whether you have an apartment where the of small place or not hospitality. You guys blesses so many people, and it also blesses you back in return. There's something about opening your home to people. But also when they're they're having an openness to share all that you have with them will really really blessed them, but it will also pay you back, and then allowing your kids to witness that I love that so much, and it's going to go a long way, I think you're gonna pay for with teeny. When she gets older, and she's going to be that way. You know, Steve I like to add a little something that to just reaching out a phone call. Hey, are you? Okay. You're kinda near that area. You know, they're not they're gonna be like was an awesome to them to check on me. Like that. Even if you haven't talked about awhile. Hey, that's a good reason retail to talk to somebody by the way. By the way. So even just even just friendly phone. Call can check in text message something showing those people that you care bringing them in and taking care of them. You guys as we all have expressed mean so much Sean you need to move closer. And that's the good word of the week. This was so much fun saying we had such a great time hanging out with you guys chatting with you. And of course, planning TD's first birthday. Stay tuned for all that if you want on Instagram at on he's at CV underscore Hendricks. That's where we're going to continue planning her birthday party. And the big reveal will be shown on I ju- baby. Pony thought he's not singing the genuine, son. I'm just glad he's not singing the genuine song. It's going to be an amazing day. Only it's getting dark outside the day. Sean, you're ready to go on an iphone Catalan. TV just hang out here. All right. We're out it. Good time. Well, you guys been talking about teens birthday and teens birthday is going to be popping as they say. It's going to be popping the bubbles in miler co sparkling water baby hopping, he said popping that was Marcus in our first official stop saying it sense. 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Do The Hard Thing & Love It | Robin Arzn

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Do The Hard Thing & Love It | Robin Arzn

"Mm-hmm. My guest today. Robin zone, cutting knew she wanted to be lawyer, since he was ten years old. She went to NYU undergrad Villanova law landed a job at a top firm in New York, where she practiced for seven years. But along the way, a series of events would profoundly changed her path while still an undergraduate. He found herself being held at gunpoint in the middle of a standoff with police, and that moment really shook her, and she found herself much to her surprise turning to running as a way to both process, the trauma and reclaim her power, and what began as a two mile jog to school after largely sedentary life. It turned into a deep passion for movement and running, especially at night in the city with a sort of a fitness, counterculture group of friends, taking on eventually marathons and then ultramarathons and this passion would eventually lead her out of the law into the world of fitness and media teaching activism, and even to writing a near times best selling book called shut up and run. About her philosophy of movement and life. And that running also expanded to fitness indoor cycling and business where she's found a home as a teacher and vice president of fitness programming and head instructor at peleton, and also as Brandon Bassett, or for some of the world's top fitness brands so excited to share Robbins, amazing journey and energy with you. I'm Jonathan fields. And this is a good life project. So I was recently asked for my business card at gathering and I had nothing to offer. 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Were you the ticket whereas like you kind of saw parents is doctor in a lawyer you kind of always assume that was part of your path or not so much? Well, it's interesting because I view kind of the classic American dream through their work ethic, and their narrative. So they're my mother's from Cuban, my father is from Puerto Rico, and so I literally saw them rebuild themselves. My mother tells the story about how she taught herself English watching PBS 'Same street, you know, at the age of fourteen so witnessing that and then seeing them succeed. It was like I understood the narrative of the hard work, and creating yourself a really young age. And then I just assumed like if they can do that. I can do that, too. And I have I have to, you know, you felt not pressure pressure is the wrong word, but a sense of honoring where you came from were. They both for shin ration- air. Yes, both first generation here, have they shared a lot of the stories, a lot of sort of their early days. 's for with you. Yes. And it's fascinating. Because when I look at these pictures, especially my, my father grew up in poverty, but my mother actually, in Cuba was they were wealthy, they grow, they grew up with in a way that I can't even imagine with, with servants and farmhands. And you know, just really like elaborate birthdays and all these things and then they come Philadelphia starting from nothing. You know, getting winter coats from the Salvation Army, and, you know, a true evolution of, like you have everything you could ever want, then you have nothing. And then you're grateful for what you the little you do have, and you built from there, so that perspective has been always been part of my mother story. And it's something. I'm very much admire. I mean so. Interesting to me, also that you, you said, you didn't feel a sense of pressure. But, like more of an internal sense of honoring. Yeah. So the choices that you made it wasn't like you were being forced to have to live up to their expectation. It's not obligated, but it's sort of like seems like there was something wired in you. That just says, like they've worked so hard to be here like. Something inside has disturbed honor that. Yeah. I feel like there's something really powerful. I mean, I was it's, it's funny that I'm in fitness now 'cause I used to be allergic to exercise. So I was the arts and crafts straight a kid. Right. So they really never. I don't think they even would have had. I not ministry student, but I really always had that in me and my sister as well. We were always, you know, just the academic children, but there is an understanding of like honoring your ancestors, like I saw something, a me or something on Instagram, and the, the spirit of it was like, I'm gonna make my grandmother's grandmother, proud. And I was like, whoa. Like it's not me in my tracks. Is it gives me full body chills right now because I think like legacy so powerful, I think about that all the time like I believe that our legacy is really just comprised of a lot of small decisions. And when I'm trying to make small pits in my life. I think like how will this contribute to my legacy even in even in a point one percent way? I really I take that really seriously. It's amazing too, because I think a lot of times so he can be a sorta shield, right? On the one hand, you can feel a sense of, like I have to do certain things because the expectation is like, that's the appropriate way to honor my legacy. Yeah. And but on the flip side can also be the proper way Tana. My legacy is people who've come before me have worked so hard to create a level of agency and freedom, that who am I not to step into my own sense of agency and do like the thing that I'm here to do whole both offer perspective. Right. Because it's like I would never. You know what is it? It was just in the Beyonce homecoming documentary thinks you quoted my Angelou like you can't be what you can't see, like I am so grateful that I was able to see strong characters in my life, who were like you just gotta figure it out and do it. You know, had I had a different understanding of agency I went up by end up sitting here. So you end up then. So you're, you're the kid who's arts and cross. And also academics were gonna undergrad. So I went to NYU undergrad Villanova law school. I won't. I was in gallatin. So it's a school you make up your own major, and it was the most amazing intellectual creative freedom, I've ever had. Yeah. You really you're able to take classes from all different realms of the university and Jamaica, I study. The social construction of reality. That was my senior thesis. So I took classes in politics and English classes in the business school, I took classes I, I knew I was going to be going to law school. And the greatest advice. My father gave me at that time was study, what you're interested in. Because you're gonna learn how to be a lawyer when you're a lawyer, and they're gonna do things in law school that the relevant to that cannon. Right. So do things that you're interested, and I didn't want to be just a strict English major econ, major politics, major. I was like shoot if NYU has this offering, I'm gonna take advantage. And I'm just gonna like let my creativity fly and thankfully, that, that's exactly what I supported in that pursuit. That's amazing. So you kind of knew going into that, though, that you were tracking to law school. I knew since I was ten years old that I wanted to go to law school would attend. I think so. Honestly, I remember watching my dad grade. He is a part time professor at temple university law school at the time teaching real estate. And I remember this is back when loss students still had exam blue books. I wrote so many books. So he remember him grading exams and blue books. I remember being fascinated by like, how do you feel all those pages with a thought, you know, and at ten I was like my ever going to have that many thoughts, you know? So I think it was just this understanding of, like, that's a challenge. I think I could be up for that challenge. And I always had it in my head that I would be a lawyer. But it's amazing. So you end up going to NYU. But before you head to Nova it was your senior year. Then why you where yes approaching my senior year? Yeah. Where you've got involved in something. That was pretty horrifying. These yeah. Yeah, I was I was out with friends and in walks into the wine bar. We were at it was like a ball mazing Friday night in New York City. The weather is, is good like people get out of work early, like there's just such a vibe in New York City in the summer and then unexpectedly a man walks in with a gun and proceeds to ho. Old the entire bar hostage. I mean, it really was like, as many times as told the story when I look at the mental movie in my head. It's it's in slow motion. So when I replay this it's in slow motion, I can literally see him walking in and brandishing the gun and grabbing me by my hair. I mean, I had clumps of hair ripped out from my head because he grabbed me, so forcefully. And it was in this two hour period that I had an acute understanding of my own like the transcript of my own inner monologue or the transcript of manner monologue as well as again agency, what he comes in his burnishing a gun. He grabs you I was saying to be sitting at the stool closest to the entrance, and it's it's still there in the east village. And he, he ran me and he said, people are going to be leaving him. Bodybags. The I mean. Was like, okay, this is I always refer to it as time slowing down. Like, really, like I think, oftentimes when we experienced trauma, we remember it in a myriad of ways, but for me, it's almost like. When you're in a car, and you have a Fender bender like even those things I remember in slow motion, and this is like, obviously, one of the most transformative if not the most transformative things in my life. So. Yeah. So he he, he basically people who were at the bar when one of two ways the other went straight back, which is a dead end kitchen, which is basically a wash basin. In a closet, or they went, right? And they were able to exit out of a window in the bathroom, and I had nowhere to go because I was with him. But my friends who were with me made it out of the bathroom, and then about twenty of us, we're dead. We're in a dead end in this in this wash. Basin kitchen area. So what's going through your mind if things happening? Slow motion there you're in a area with this guy. So he hands me Garba heat, he shoves me to the ground, and hands me garbage bag ties, and has an tells me to type people up there were the kind of sliding garbage bag ties. And I remember thinking I need to do what he's saying. So I don't die. But I also want us to be able to get out of these hand is so I remember doing them just loose enough. I don't even know how I was like physically able to do it because I'm sure I was trembling or shaking. But yes, so I did what he said, and then he proceeded to spray us with a flammable, liquid it smelled like kerosene or gasoline. And I remember the cut in my head burning so much. And I was just like oh, wow. This is like he really wants us to die because he started flipping a barbecue later above our heads. Then he grabs me and says you're coming with me, and I was his human shield. He literally just held me in front of his body, and then kind of showed me NYPD who are now outside of the bar. And so there was probably like. I don't know a corridor length between the front door at second or third avenue. Forgetting exactly where the front face face of the bar is. And then where we were in the kitchen, and it was like he would show me NYPD, and then he would close the swinging doors into the kitchen area, and that was it like I was just like, okay do is this really like the last chapter. Like I don't believe this is the last chapter of my life, and for some reason, in that moment, I realized I have to humanize the situation because he was, spewing all kinds of vitriol, and he was a lot of times unintelligible indefinitely angry. But it was also then he started talking about his children, and, and, and I was like, okay, like let's talk about the family angle like, maybe there's something, and I mentioned like, there are people in here, they have families to, like, what is it that you want? What is it that you want to get out of this, and I became this like pseudo negotiator at twenty? Having no idea what I was doing, but I was like he needs to know that these people are humans, too and somehow that let the conversation go on long enough for him. I don't know. I just wanted to keep the clock going like how long can I keep the clock going until this ends? How do you head of it has been? So it ends thankfully, it ends with nobody dying, so that's, that's huge. So really, really brave woman named Margaret Gidley. She was sitting kind of in elevated in one of the wash basins. A lot of folks were on the floor, but she happened to be seated in a wash basin. And she saw that the perpetrator was struggling with holding me holding the gun holding a barbecue lighter holding my cell phone, which he which she asked to us, and we were on the phone nine one, one it was like, just really kind of chaotic, but she noticed when he would hold holster the gun in his in his jeans. And at one moment when she saw him holster the gun in his jeans. She leapt and left him from behind. And then I think few folks, I my back was turned, so I didn't see this, but I felt the sensation of falling and the NYPD entered. And that's that's when it was over. So. Yeah, I have. It's crazy because it happened so long ago but it really does feel like it happened yesterday. I think when that happens I mean it's I think it's always just beneath the servers this week. Also, we're talking New York. She this is two thousand to two thousand three this would have been. Two thousand and two because it was the summer before my senior year and graduated in two thousand three that may okay so then you're with that time you've been in New York the year before nine eleven also Elliott so this is I mean this alone is seriously. Traumatic, I'm assuming being in college downtown on nine eleven for you. Yeah. Was pretty dramatic as well. Yeah, it was. And I it and I worked downtown at a law firm. I was serving as like a legal assistant, and I lived just below like after nine eleven below fourteenth street was like. It was total. I mean, nobody could even a war zone and they had it blocked off and you could only go down there. If you showed proof of your address, I remember like the local like unions are movie theaters were like playing free movies, and people were just walking around looking for any kind of connection, like anything, just any kind of connection. And yes, I don't have never even made that haven't even put into together that, like as a young person. That's kind of a lot to go through within a span of eighteen months. I mean it's like these two life altering traumas early stacking on top of each other. So how do you merge out of that? Like physically unharmed, but psychologically, emotionally. Yeah, it's interesting like you wake up the next day and you look down. You got all my limbs. I'm good. And why he was really supportive. They immediately offered any thing, I would needed free therapy, whatever it is. And I want to talk therapy. And I just I talked it out. And I had no issue talking it out. But and I knew I wanted to finish school. And I wanted to stay in New York and. I remember just needing to like choose fear or like a greater faith. And I'm like I have faith that I'm supposed to be here for a reason. Like, I'm just gonna keep doing what I do every day. But it wasn't really until I was in, and I was so in the throes of like getting ready for law school. And I was busy. Right. So it's easy to kind of compartmentalize it, and it wasn't until I was really dealing with the stress of law school. It was like, oh, I'm just beaten down. And I knew it wasn't just because of law school. And I looked at a pair of shoes. I don't even know if they were running shoes in my closet, and I just said, like, maybe I'm just going to jog to campus today, and I've never had the impulse to jog. I literally. I think my mom hates. When I tell this story, but as vision used to, like, sneak off and take a script from her pad and write notes to get out of gym class like totally illegal. But I was that I had such a fear of physical activity 'cause I told myself, you're not an athlete, you're going to be picked last you can't run. I got made fun. It was ironic. I made fun of I kid when I was like ten in gym class for the way, Iran. So I always told myself like don't embarrass yourself like, just don't even show up. So that was a very odd thought for me to think let me just put these shoes on and run to class, but I did. And I just kept doing it, and I felt like I'm physically running it out as the stronger. I physically feel I'm getting a little bit of my power back. And I never before equated power feeling powerful with a physical understanding of like space and movement. And that was a really big lightbulb movement. For me. I mean it's also 'cause you're like you're running the trauma out of your body at the same time on the one hand you're running into a place of power now surrounding it out, right? You're processing out of your body, and it's like when you look at all the latest research that I've seen PTSD like so much of the therapeutic world around that is coming around to the idea that we can't actually just treat the mind alone the it becomes trauma. Be becomes so physically bodied. Yes, you've got actually, as some level physicality to, if you really wanna process a, oh, yeah. I I'm a firm believer of that. And I don't think one I could have done without the other. Like, I think it was the right path for a year. It just like I was like how many more times, can I talk about this story? And then Finally, I was like, well, I clearly I've got a heavy physical internal. Wait, I just need to start to like chip away at the runs did for me. So the first time you lay up your shoes, having really busy never moved about. Yeah. And then also I've been through law school. I know what happens in law school. Like you're just nonstop heads down. Like base everything shut down you put on your shoes and you run like what's the physical sensation for you? The first time you're actually, like I'm gonna go and just run. I'm pretty sure it was like horrible things. That's hard. You know, it was out of necessity. And I think that's why first of all in terms of time management, I'm like, well, I could drive two miles or I could just try to jog it. Right. And so for me, it was like, okay, well, this is practical because still get there and I'll get my exercise. Don't have to carve out another thirty minutes of my day to work out. Not that I really was doing that. Anyway, the time it was out of necessity. And I was like, all right. Why don't have a car, and this is like, really before, like apps and Uber's. And you could just hey, like this is in the suburbs that I went to Villanova. So because Bryn Mawr Pennsylvania, like you, don't there's trains and stuff. But like it wasn't really that easy to get around, if you didn't have a car, and so, yeah, there was a practical omit like wolf made it halfway gets a class. That's funny. Did you have books like in the bag with you? I would leave my books, so I would either leave my books in the locker or have a friend, take them. So you start doing this. I mean, after the first time did you know after that very first time. That something had switched for you. Or was it just like you did, once, whatever? And then for some reason he kept going back to it. I think it was. I remember depositing, a check at the Bank and seeing a flyer for a ten K that happened to be the next morning. I didn't know what ten how far ten K was. And again I didn't have a smartphone. So I wasn't like ten K whatever that is do it. So I didn't look up the distance in mileage and not. 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The last weight loss program, you'll need or just click the link in the show notes. So you made the Val, it's never going to be this hard. Again, a lot of people will do that. And they make the Val. I'm never going to do this again. So what happens in your mind, that's so different than other people's minds that makes you say that was really hard? It didn't feel good. But it's gonna happen again. And it can't feel the same way instead of. Okay. Check that box that was brutal. Never again. Yeah, that's so interesting. I think I really socio discomfort with pride. From this. I don't know. I just I really feel. I think like I loved law school. Like I love just being like, okay you have like five hundred pages to read tonight, like like in not from a place of suffering, or this kind of, like martyrdom. But it's like how I love that sense of being gritty and feeling like hi you're gonna rise above this, and how you gonna rise above this, and how you gonna rise above this, and it was a unique experience because I actually hadn't had like I knew how to I knew how to be academe ick knew how to go and read and study for a test, and write a paper. And this was really brand new. I'm like, I don't know how to do this like and not necessarily in a learned skill. Like, of course if you don't learn how to play the violin, you're not gonna play the violin. But this was like something really Nate like you put one foot in front of the other, and the simplicity of it was actually fascinating because I'm like I can't do this. Well, but it's also something I've been doing walking around the world my whole life. So that kind of simplicity of running. Allowed me to enter it in a way that was like. I'm just going to own this in my way. So what was that way? I mean I mean I needed. So I felt still intimidated by the running community. I wasn't track star and I saw people at these races all all fancy stuff and kitted out. And I like the idea of representing you know, I wanted to show up with like wearing gold rings and black eyeliner. And like wearing what I wanted to wear like representing what I wanted to represent or how I thought I was having a visual conversation with the world and thankfully throughout my running journey. I was really welcomed when I came back to New York, and I started practicing law. I was welcomed by a running group called the New York City bridge runners and there are a really amazing cobbled together group of like deejays and artists, and people who never went to college, and people who are lawyers like me, and the doctors like it was a mixed bag of, of mayhem. And I was like. I can get down with this because we can show up two races. Like, whoever we want to be, and so can the person who is wearing the same kit from their high school track. Meet like cool, live your life. That's awesome. But I hadn't really seen a lot of that. So the herbs so running the lifestyle running kind of an expression of a lifestyle really came into vogue when I started falling in love with running, and then I happen to meet people others who were willing to express running a lifestyle, and we would go on to on runs at nine ten pm, and then go out to gallery openings and clubs and dinners. And it was just like we were crew, you know, and that, that really in bold me to I have a voice in this space, and those powerful, Jibril would have happened if you hadn't somehow stumbled upon bridge, runners, that you think still like this entire journey had been just radically different had that that discovery never happened. I think the path would have been. Really different, right? So I think if I would have joined a maybe a more traditional running group, I don't know if I would have truly fallen in love with running the way I did, because I happen to sign up for half marathon sign it for a marathon simultaneously. Start your own with bridge runners really feel like I could get my own with using running, not only as a tool, but also as potentially a profession. So I know that I would have been fitness anyway, but I don't know certain that the path would not have been what it has been, which is primarily running then writing a book and then ending up with cycling and peleton. I mean because you the phrase running the lifestyle is, is really interesting because that's been around a lot of ways for a long. I think often wonder that if you don't find the part of the lifestyle is the culture of that you share with people who during the similar thing. And if the huge part of the existing culture when you step into something new that isn't something that vise. With you. Yeah. So you have two choices three choices either quit or just do it. Solo assimilate into that culture or find or create your own group, where so it's not just you always running isolation. It's, it's you like okay, so there are people like me in this space, who we can actually create like a family around, and we have Rican share the love of running, and also all the other, you know, sort of cultural identifiers and things that are meaningful to us about the way we wanna live in context of running, and also brought her life and it's like the I feel like a lot of times. It's that is as important as the actual exercise modality in what keeps you in it. Oh, yeah. The I think I know community is the linchpin to most movements. And certainly like nobody that actual movement. Like if you can find a community. You feel proud of you're much more likely to keep coming back. So you end up come back to New York you discover rejoice, same time you're starting your career right? New York City, not the easiest place in the world to practice lie practiced here, also. And you end up in a giant firm, which the reputation for a lot of big firms in New York is essentially, okay. Welcome to the firm. Here's a giant paycheck. We'll take your life. Yeah. What was your experience working? I worked my azoff but, you know, I knew that going into it, I didn't. And thankfully, like I was a young person. I didn't have kids still don't have kids. I was single. I was like I'm going all in, and I actually have extremely there are lots of tough moments. But I when I look back at that part of my story arc, I actually have really fond memories of law firm. It wasn't my passion. And I know that now but it felt. Good to be in that way. I like I liked the challenge of needing to suss out like even junior level as junior associate these day to day problems, and it was during subprime, and I was working on a lot of SEC cases. And I mean it's just like it's so hysterical. 'cause I went to law school side didn't have to do math and every day I was making forensic accountants. I'm like, what is happening? But yeah, I mean I, I left as a rising think arising seventh year. So I was a summer associate also at the same law firm Paul Hastings and, you know, so that's a big chunk of your twenties to give to a place. And I really had a lot of admiration for the people. I worked with, but there was no way, I was going to continue counting down the hours until I could have like my thirty minute run, or my loop around the park or my meet meet up with bridge, runners, I was like this is nonsense. I'm literally. At the office all day, counting down to when I can put when I feel like I'm putting on my superhero Cape to like, do the thing I was meant to do. It was definitely a two year slow process of my departure. Because, like I like running okay lots of people like running. How the heck am I gonna monetize this if I'm not going to be an actual competitive professional athlete? You know, so that was the conundrum. Yeah. I mean it's so funny. They're so many parallels. I started out the SEC. Days. Gosh. Which was interesting. I was like on the other side, the emails that you'd be sending and we were enforcement division, New York. So we were constantly investigating people like in cinderblock room secrecy. And then I went to a large firm, and they'd sound doing securities work and had a similar Jones. I realized that I was physically kinda dying. It's hot and I for me like the wakeup call was, I ended -mergency surgery. When my immune system shut down and things weren't and everything's fine. So I had a faster transition after that. Because my body was literally rejecting my career, but for me also I was a kid who was deeply fascinated with movement. And I was gymnast for the first half my life. So one of the things that I and this is my curiosity with you. I kind of knew once I decided. Okay, so I'm out. I also knew okay? I've invested a lot of money a lot of time in this, this powerful prestige. Aegis job an insane paycheck. You know, for somebody that was my age back then, and stepping away from that. You know, there was a lot of internal judgment. And I knew I was about to get hit with a lot of external judgment to especially to step into the world of fitness where I think a lot of people in the professional world you can do, like your you have what everyone wants, why would you ever do that? Did you have those or like internet along? Like when you're during that two year window or were you just not gonna happen? You know, it's interesting, and I get that question a lot, and I think I just had. Myopic vision for figuring it out. So there were practical elements. Right. So I lived in a walk up my entire locker, I live below my means I didn't want anything fancy didn't wouldn't be saddled with mortgage. I couldn't afford. I did I was just like I'm going to save, you know, live, I traveled a lot, I lived. But I was like, I'm going to make sure that I don't have to be at this job without having to ask for any support from my parents, which I never did. And so there was a practical element of like how you're gonna pay bills how you're gonna pay rent high gonna live cool. So once I felt like I had that sorted enough a little bit of runway took a leave of absence. And I started dabbling but the, the external pressures I think thankfully, I was surrounded by people who were doing really unconventional things like when you're going on runs with graffiti artists, and, you know. Occasional drug dealers. Like these are people who are just like living on their terms and good people kind people, but like they're doing their thing. And when you see that it's almost like you can't be what you can't see when you see somebody running literally to the beat of their own drum, you're like how can I pay my own way? And thankfully, my family was really supportive. They always first of all, like you can't really I'm not really want to receive a know very well. So I'm just going to keep doing it. You know, and my family really trusted my instincts and my preparedness, but the. Yeah. There was definitely a question Mark of like doing what you're going to go do. Like I don't get it. Are you a blogger like what do you do? You know, and a lot of those people are in my life anymore. And some of them now are on the other side of the screen when I'm teaching Appelt on. Hey. Nice to see you again now. That's awesome. My first at bat was as a personal trainer learning the fitness industry because I wanted to be an entrepreneur. I wanted I wanted to know the industry and find out what was broken how to fix it. And the big concern for me was I remember literally running around central park with clients. And I'm like, what if one of my old zillionaire clients, a law firm, sees me tights, ripped up t shirt, stretching client on the grass central park, and I was like, okay, so there was like there was just an echo thing that kind of work through. But when with fascinating about you is like it seems like you constantly put yourself in scenarios where you're presented with the hard path and the easy path, and where's a lot of people like I'm okay with easy path. You look at the hard path, and you're like, oh, I like hard. Like I can like this. It's an imitation to you rather than something that says now go the other way. I feel I find the difficult path it beckons it really just beckons. And I've always understood. That you have to make it matter order to make it happen. And I think I make the difficulty matter to me. So whether it's tough trading run or a tough business meeting, or, you know, just even day like, what is the point of this? You know, you have to kind of remember for me. You know, I have I really do fear. Mediocrity. Like I think about my legacy, like what do I want to be talking about when I'm ninety? Like I hope I have really mazing stories to tell and kids and grandkids to make proud, and, you know, my mother to honor and my father honor, I mean that stuff like matters to me in a very very palpable way. So I've just made that part of my story matter, and it is such an overarching thing, sometimes that can be a little bit vague overwhelming, but for me and my micro decisions I really do. Think about that. Sometimes it's a practical element of like listen this restaurant, just go and do it. Right. So it's I think it's layered motivation and layered kind of a layered approach constantly reigniting that fire and constantly flexing that willpower muscle. And then I have my priorities. I say no to a lot of stuff, just so I can have banned with an energy and dedication to the difficult path because you can't be everything to everyone. And I'm okay with not being everything to everyone. Do feel like that. The fact that it's hard is a big part of what makes it worth it. Oh my God. Yes. I mean. If things were handed out a fronting marathon were truly, truly easy, and you pulled people in like yet, twenty six twenty miles. No, biggie. And you get the medal. Do you feel as proud or do you treat it like a pressure of diamonds, or on every block on the street in New York City with the valuable? No, it's like you got you have to earn your value, and I think that there is some kind of the currency of energy and hustle, and sweat, and grit. Like I talk about being kings and queens. And this kind of regal narrative of stepping into your power, and not letting your crown slip. I firmly believe the jewels of my crown are made of grit and hustle, and sweat. And that is because I know that journey, I know that path it will always be worthwhile to me, even the missteps and even the failures are just feedback. I mean it's like the power of the long cut, I think so many people. Oh, the long morning. What's the shortcut because me from here to there? And even if you find a lot of times, you don't but sometimes you do, and then you get there, and you're like, well, that doesn't actually feel the way I thought it would feel it's, it's the long cut. It's like the doing the hard work. It's the putting your head down when it really sucks and staying in it. You know, not to the point where it becomes destructive. But it's the fact that you endured that, you know, and then you rose through it that like to me, that's always that's what makes the outcome worth it. And so, like, somebody who showed up one day and said, okay, so here it is, like, here's the answer. Or here's the end, you know, you can check that box and move on. Like, okay then it just doesn't matter anymore, but it's interesting because I don't think a lot of people don't look at life that way, they're constantly like, what's the fastest easiest path to get there, not realizing that there aren't gonna feel the way you think it's gonna feel unless you've earned away there, it's. Yeah. And it's so family. Right. So, like I think we look at life as being punctuated by these big achievement. So it's like I'm getting this degree or marrying this partner and having this whatever and it's like those maybe moments fueled with pride and joy. But that is so fleeting when you can start to find those little moments in the glimmers of all the everyday mundane stuff in the process. That's when you truly will achieve that. Oh, that frequency, like I just look at it like go radio frequency. Like, how can you tune into that a little bit every day because it's really like you get your degree, how many people are still riding high from their college graduation day. Like no. You don't even think about it anymore. You know what I mean? So these are just moments, although I gotta say in the law. So many people point back to lake whether they made law review. Years ago and it's like top thing on the resume. It's very, very strange, odd weird thing. So you get to a point where you're like, okay. I'm at the end of my two years. I'm done. I'm out movement exercise fit seven years. Right. But then there's like the two. Okay. So how do I how do I make this transition with the first out for you? Would he actually do? So I, I kind of put one toe out or one foot out, I three months of absence unpaid. But I was still kind of on, on the books and still have my health insurance, which is a big deal of time and I, I traveled I did a bunch of races. And I kind of put my name out there. I was like I wanna be able to get paid to like stew. Stew, social media storytelling about running. I wonder just talked to anyone who listen at the time the running group bridge owners was doing a lot of work with Nike. So I had a lot of context there. And then it was I was back at the law firm for few months, and it was just coming on the eve of the. Twenty twelve London Olympic Games and I had started previously, maybe a year or two prior a blog tumbler, to document my first marathon training, and it kind of got a little bit of traction, the name of the blog was shut up and run. And like maybe I should just go to the games in like quote unquote report from the games. And the law firms like we're not giving you another leave of absence either you're in or you're out. So I was like, gosh, I guess I'm out and that was when I was truly like ripped off the band aid. No more income. You live on your savings, the big deal, and I bought a plan to get the calls more than my rent at the time for my one bedroom. Walkup cost more than my rent and I just hustled hustled interviews. I, I held to get tickets. I just reported in my way in my kind of like on the ground way when Instagram was just really getting kind of big. That was my point of view. It was like this is this is the, the Hustler's point of view of the London Olympic Games as a non as a non professional athlete. And that gave me a little bit of visibility until like just on checking the boxes and perhaps, creating my own way to do things. And I, I also look at it as an example of doing your homework and being prepared for the phone call. Like I often say, a lot of people talk about Oprah there beyond says or these icon of people that they would love to meet, or work with. And my follow question is, would you be prepared? If Oprah calls Morrow like are you ready? Are you ready to do the work and have the conversation and, like, are you ready to meet that greatness with your version of greatness, and I had read a lot about Mark Parker than CEO? And I happened to see him in London in shoe store, and the only reason I recognized him or knew anything about him was because I had done my research, and we just got to talking. And he was like, wow. He approached me like you have a great sense of style. You should have. Have a blog and I was like funny you ask I do. And I gave him like this cobbled together business Carter. And you know what it was, but it was just like a reminder of you gotta be prepared for the greatness that you're asking for. And then I just so happened that same in the London Olympic Games trip. I met someone who was working on the agency side where Nike women was their client. Then I basically left London with a job to work for Nike women on their social media, campaigns. So I left London. I came home with the job. I came to New York City, and I was like, wow, I'm working on at this agency. We're doing all this creative work, and it was at the agency about six months in that. I realize, oh gosh, I still don't like this. I want to tell my own story, I want to be able to monetize that so that Secondly was actually much much scarier because I thought I had my dream job. And I didn't. And even working with one of the best brands in the world, I didn't want to be be behind the scenes. I didn't wanna be that, you know. Behind the cloak of the great and powerful Oz. I wanted to be like out there doing the thing like building building, the eleborate road, you unto us. No, because I'm. Right. So like, but meeting for using that same analogy. I wanted to be like. Building the road to the emerald city, a real emerald city, not just this allusion of like, oh you're reading tweets and it seems you you're writing about female empowerment. But like you don't actually feel empowered because it still behind the scenes, which is kind of interesting. How come full circle to the major you created as an undergrad literally building the eleborate road. Yeah. Sort of like you were doing you spend four years, fundamentally studying. How do you do that? Like winter all the universe is, like, what are all the different domains? And how did they come together to help? Like somebody actually do that to create that reality. Well it when I was in school, I loved studying like the different ways. The medium contributes to the message that class classic McClellan Marsha peuvent stuff. But, you know, it's like with the printed page, we had linear thoughts right with the bard's they were oral conversations. The stories were circular. So I really do think about that stuff. And I'm like, what's tributing? How I'm perceiving this story right out. Like I really get met often and at that point in my life. I'm like, telling the story like I'm writing copy like I'm actually telling the story, but I'm the freaking story like the light bulb went off on my high could literally charge for my opinions as a consultant and be making more money and it would feel more true to who I am. And that's when things changed stopped accepting free shoes. And I started charging an hourly rate for my ideas, and I had no idea. It was doing and I had no idea what the charge. But I had to just like take second leap, because that felt more true to the course I needed to take and thankfully social media, actually had like an still has like. A currency relevance. So without that, I would've been, I would've been in bad shape. But thankfully, it was it was part of the time when, when Facebook and Twitter and Instagram were becoming like relevant marketing decks. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's also you, you saw that, you know, you actually had your finger on the pulse of the fact that these things were allowing you to be an entity unto yourself to have direct access both of the people who might pay you as a consultant for your ideas. Your thoughts for your voice, and also directly to the people who you might go out and say, like come along with me. Let's build this yellow brick road together. Yeah. I mean that, that thing didn't just drop into your lap you cultivated, sorta like the fierce sense of operation to just constantly see what's coming is like you said when you were in at the Olympics, and you bundled the person from Nike used the phrase just so happened. It didn't just happen. You don't like it. I, I gotta believe in, in your reality in life that you create like there's very little that just so happens. It's like you're constantly out there making it happen. And I think that's, that's a huge difference when you said, you know, like, when Oprah calls when whoever that person is you wanna call like, are you going to be ready? You know that's not about waiting for the phone terrain. That's about what you do. That's about stepping out and saying, I am going to constantly be out there making things happen. It may not be the ultimate thing that I want to happen, right? With anything that I can grasp. I'm gonna push make it happen. So when you finally step out completely on your own at this point, how does the world respond to that? Oh, gosh. You know, on the creative side, the Univer lated to kind of being consultants on photo shoots and things like that, that worked pretty well and sometimes casting campaigns. But from the writing side, I also fashioned myself like this burgeoning journalist, and I and I was like, I'm just gonna like right for magazines. We're having obviously, we all know that industry has had a lot of pressure and the last twenty years tenure specially so I would pitch these articles to editors who may or may not know who I am definitely probably didn't know who I was. And you know, get quoted rates and stuff and be like my job was just on the floor. It was like, oh, so this isn't like. That was that was a rude awakening unnecessary awakening, and, but I just kept writing, and it just kept writing, and I just kept focusing on the ways the things that I say this in training focus on what you can control. I can I can read it a lot top, I can keep pitching and that process of writing and pitching and keep creating and writing and pitching, even though a lot of times, I was told, no, it never actually got to an engagement with, with the magazine at least I was like, constantly trying to understand the pulse of industry and what people wanted to talk about. And then I would use my own logging social media to engage in those conversations than my following grew, and then my presence grew, and so it was like I channeled the nose into the only things I can control which were like my own platforms my own yeses, and then finally things, people started popping up and paying attention. And then out of really kind of boredom is decided, I just want to start teaching it in my local, spins. Radio because I love spin and I, I had already my certification from when I was a lawyer because I just wanted to geek out on like the science of, you know, the conditioning of it the signs of conditioning and that just really started because I was like I have gaps in my day. This doesn't make sense. Like let me just keep doing it because it wasn't necessarily that it was very lucrative. I just wanted to do it, and thankfully, that the people there, I didn't know how to teach couldn't read. I couldn't listen to beats like, there were when people like my friends remind me of that time in my life when I was trying to learn how to be a spin instructor, and they were like, oh, my gosh. She would come home, just like drained, and frustrated and not understanding how you passed the bar exam. But couldn't do this, you know, and I'm sure you have times when you were personal trainer. You're like how was I like high flying attorney? And now I can't teach somebody to push up, you know, it's very humbling, because a very different skill set requires precision requires hark. So thankfully, the folks at that studio really, really took the time to teach me how to be a teacher and how. Would it be an instructor and I'm incredibly grateful for that time. And that is what then teed up, you know, me reading about John Foley, and peleton and reaching out directly and saying, I'm ready for this. 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That's net. Sweet dot com slash good life to download your free guide. Seven key strategies to grow your profits net. Sweet dot com slash good life or just click the link in the show notes. I wanna talk more on dive into peleton as well. But along the way you only really one of the things we haven't really shared his like your deepening into your own finish your running more and more and more you starting to run longer along racism. But at the same time, you also end up getting diagnosed with type one diabetes. Yeah. I mean, I kinda I literally not that I forget, I never forget, but yes, very integral parts of the story. I came home from India after a trip with my mother and my sister. And I was just so dehydrated and I thought it was jetlag I'm like this is weird. And of course, my mother is a physician was like gotta get your blood work. This doesn't make sense. And I was diagnosed as a diabetic, my pancreas produces little to no insulin. So I'm insulin-dependent and I have technology. Now thankfully, that, that helps me with that. But that I was already running at the time I was reading already writing fifty miles in more. And I think I already I think I had like a few races like in the next month after my diagnosis. And the, you know, the, the doctor pulls out this plant based athlete, and this doctor pulls out this, like food chart with, like, this is how many ounces are in of milk and stuff. And I was like. I couldn't. I was like both like horrified and incensed I'm like this is not the conversation. We're having how am I gonna run a fifty mile marathon ultra marathon in six weeks was ideas? One plant based. Yeah. Yeah. All of it ram like I'm not changing course. We're just gonna have to figure out how this adapts to me thankfully, I think, if I hadn't already been an athlete, it would have been a lot tougher 'cause I wasn't I didn't not type one because I wasn't healthy. You know what I mean? Like it was it's an autoimmune condition. So that was already very self aware of, like when I eat something. How do I feel, what are my energy levels like truly like any biohacking? I was kind of already on that trend. So now I have to do it as part of my day to day, self care, but yeah, that was really tough. And it was tough because a lot of folks in the medical community at least the ones I had access to at the time. They like didn't really get it like. Oh, yeah. Had a patient wants ran a half marathon. I'm looking at them like you don't. This is my free. Life. And in more intense than one half marathon, you know, I'm going to keep doing this and do it aggressively. So I worked so hard to create myself into an athlete. I wasn't Mela this, derail me, so to from there, right? So you go to somebody you, your person who's normally they're great. They're smart. They're skilled. They're accomplished. They're great physician or team. Right. But at the same time, you're not the average patient cracks, and they admitted that you are on the extreme of what anybody with even the best trained in the world is used to dealing with and used to advising and being in partnership with as a healthcare provider. How do you then assemble a person or team who is down with taking this journey with you and capable of just adapting on the fly and being gritty on the level that you are, you know, it's still it's still working progress. Right. So I always say I have like baseline medical care that I get and. Bloodwork and check your onc-, and all that kind of stuff. But a lot of it was like taking it into my own hands and trial and error. And, and people ask me all the time. Like I don't get it. Like I can barely go on a thirty minute run, like how do you do five hours? I take big Rhys like I'm not saying people should do it. I do. But I was willing to take big risk because it mattered so much to me that it was like, okay, do I totally suspend my insulin. Do I not do I need how much I need to eat? Like you just figure it out. I needed to do it on my own terms and take risks. And I haven't been, I haven't had any serious, medical scares. What's on the other side of that risk free though? Because for you to say okay, so I take progress, I'm going to do this. I'm going to go out and on five hours. What's in the name of like what in your mind? What are you going to get? What are you gonna feel? What are you going to experience that in your mind like a hell yet, it's worth it? I don't want to be defined. By medical condition. I don't want to be defined by for the same reason that I don't wanna be only understood as a Latino or if you're gonna fleet or, you know, my title peleton, or a global ambassador for a Dita's, like I don't want to be known by any one of those things I decide who I am. And when I can own my s- my own agency, and an reaction to, to some of these risks that maybe, sometimes they don't always go so well, when I can at least own that. I feel like I'm at least dictating the story and it's not being dictated to me, and that's always going to be important to me, because I don't need to live for somebody else's title. I create my own titles. So. Peleton. You're managing all this, and this is just managing feels like it's, it's like actually not even doing what you're doing service like that word, isn't right? You're bracing it, you're just really fiercely, immersed in this process, and from your experience versus you know, with indoor cycling. How does peleton happen? So I read about polygon it relied read about puff on CEO for probably explain what peleton peleton is a is a company that offers fitness products, a bike attracted and digital app that offers content married with the hardware, where you have live cycling, tread, or strength classes, yoga classes, meditation that you can access right from the comfort of your living room or at the at the reach of your phone, or if you are lucky to be in New York or if you're lucky, you can come down, come on down to the New York City held on CD. So how'd you get involved in that? I read about the company and, and I thought this is genius. This is this is about story arc, this is like scaling fitness and entertainment and technology in a way this ever been done before. Obviously, there's lots of even at the time there were a lot of digital plays for fitness and YouTube was like a black hole fitness. But this was modern and sophisticated and I had at the time vision board of brands that I like in mired in respected. And I wanted to work with an apple was on there. And I remember reading about Putin, and thinking, then, even I think the monitor at the time was like apple a fitness or Netflix of fitness. We've well exceeded that in terms of definition that's kind of one note. But at the time it was pretty accurate. And I thought, oh, maybe there's synergy here. So I at we weren't this is before the studios were even built we were filming the, the first bike Smirnova at homes, yet, like this is really nascent. When was so this. Five years, just over five and a half years ago. We started the company five five years ago, February. Right. So you are there like in the really, really early days. Yeah. I mean not as not as early as the co founders. But, like, yes, this is after after they got some money, the bikes are being built and now it's time to, to hire the talent. So, I was, I think that's third instructor hired at the company and we were cutting shows, you know, literally from closet, we refer to fractionally as the closet, and this thirty people in a room. It was the co founders. I mean, the like our former chief information officer Yoni FANG used to cut my shows. I mean now we hire folks much more junior folks to do that. But it was just like an all hands on deck. Like we're just gonna get this off the ground. So it was really cool is really cool time. And I remember it fondly, because we were were and still are like incredibly scrappy. Yeah, I mean it's interesting also because if you zoom Milnes out what they're doing as a company as brand fits your mentality about doing the hard thing. Oh, yeah. Because they like the fitness base has been really interesting for a really long time and brutally hard. But there've been so many people who've come and tried to figure out and for those never tried it. Also, there's this fantastic programming and you can do in your own home. But they've also produced a bike like their version of an indoor cycling bite that you get at home, which is written pretty much everybody on the planet. This thing, just destroys them. It is gorgeous new. So, but what they did was there like people for years in the fitness world has been trying to figure out how do we how do we create a modality where people can do it at home to come dates? Everybody. It's actually fun engaging interactive reinforcing. And there's a piece of equipment. That is like a real investment. Also that goes along with it. People who've been trying to figure out to crack that not for a long time and nobody's been able to, and it's always been his energy super hard, and then Pelivan comes along, and they're like, we're gonna crack that nut, you know, an and it's almost like knowing that nobody's been able to do it yet. People have been trying for years. But if you can, you know, like this is like the definition of blue ocean. Right. You'll own that for a window of time, and it's interesting to me that you're attracted to that brand was so goes along with, who you are it definitely doesn't. I'm glad they also saw so this energy because they really accepted me with open arms. Yeah. So you've been rolling with them for five and a half years. Now, you wrote a book also did. Yeah. During this time I wrote a book, just, just because, you know, sometime I got few times out totally bored. Nothing. I think already how hard good bet. Takes the name I guess the original blog run. Right. So why this like with everything else that you have going on right with your fierce commitment also, to movement to being out there to being super active, and especially in some writer, a couple of also it isn't notoriously. You know, like sedentary pursued for fixed window of time why that, like where does that fold into your master plan? Well, you know, when I left li- didn't honest assessment of my skill sets, and I'm like I know how to write I know how to speak, I know how to engage people know how to lead and I always wanted to find ways to still honor that because that was, what of those things I loved about being a lawyer was I actually love writing briefs stuff. Even if the topic was a little mundane. So when I was a pro I was approached by an agent. Like, hey, would you consider putting together a book proposal mate? Let's see if anybody rights and it was. Crazy summer because I was already teaching it peleton time post by this book, publisher put together a very traditional book proposal, but also with more imagery, because I knew that my book would kind of be tr- part training manual, part, my own story, mini memoir, and then. A visual representation of like how I pursue sport, which I think is a very central element to my brand. Sweating with swagger. I think is not only the visual conversation. You're having with the world but, like how you step into power in your own way. And for me that's always been. There's a stylistic element to that. And so anyway, put together the book proposal, and then National Geographic contacts me to go on this track in through the spaghetti and Tanzania and this was literally all happening like my book proposal was due. And then I was leaving in two weeks. And this was the exact time and thankfully, like, we had some, some folks who some publishers who are interested in the book, and my agent was like, I'm just gonna have to suss this out while you're gone. So I was going to be completely offline like living in Tanzania for six weeks. And I was like, okay, I trust you, and then I got back from the Getty, and I had a book deal, and they were like you have. It was like ta welcome home. You have four months to do this. And I'm like, oh, okay, it's like, watch what you asked for you. Better be ready. So, yeah, I had to just do it. You know, I had a deadline treated it like a finish line. It was like every day, just chip away. You do it. And you do you do. It was fascinating experience. But a necessary one, because I was stretched and I, I look forward to being stressed. More book self is gorgeous, and it's so interesting because to and naturally to know that you do that in four months is kind of mind blowing because the average person takes a lot longer to write a book, just the words just the managed grip than what you created is this, like is like it is so you ready? It's alive. Live like energetic, it's beautiful. It's filled with motion and images. And it's almost like it represents your entire ethos, which kind of takes it all the way back to when you started with ridge runners, like you know what? Of, of running has a culture, which is pretty well defined right? But that's not you and almost feels like this flag in the hand. That says like you can be like this. You can like this, you can be your aesthetic, and this can still be for you and everyone's invited to this party right? And or not, you know what I mean. I think it's a statement of saying, do you wanna show up to that marathon? Rocking read lip or not do it. You know. And that was very important. It was kind of a line in the sand and it's, it's essential for us to. Show, the ways we can show up and I always felt incredibly proud of knowing runners, who were willing to kind of. Be the kooky ones unconventional ones. Sometimes the fastest oftentimes not the fastest and guess what we're still doing the damn thing. And we'll see you the finish line. And that emboldened, I think an entire. Pedigree. I guess if you wanna call it of runner, who's just like I'm still going to own this part of my journey, even if I'm this minute, mile or this minute, mile or wearing this or owning that or. Or wearing I often show up to two races in, like crazy gold jewellery. And that just became like my thing, like I had this insane pampering that I brought with me on the Seren Getty, and that we each person one thing mine was the most impractical. But I had to that was like my power source. So I wanted to unpack demystify running it can be is only as complicated as you make it, and I want people to meet people where they are, and welcome them in, and so that was incredibly central to my mission with book. That's funny. One of the questions puff into my mind was when, you know, when people think of you what, what do you want them to think of, but immediately, I'm like? When I think of you, it's like there's no one thing it's almost like it's like there's a fierce rebel in there that says, I like I don't want them to think of, like how deem process that question. Yeah. That's a great question. I mean, I do think about it in terms of, like I often think about, like, what are my values within the then goes into what are my brand values and how do you post responsibly and speak responsibly? Right. So once you get a certain amount of shine, like you gotta take responsibility for that shine, and who, like, I, I know, I live via hustlers ethos, and like that word hustle means a lot to me. And it means that you're going to continue choosing the sometimes oftentimes harder more difficult uncomfortable path. I. Also wanna be an a lot and a lot of senses unapologetic about who I am because that doesn't come sometimes that might become from a place of ego, but really, I feel like I'm lazing sometimes a path for others to be like, you know what? Like she did that. And she asked for a raise. I'm gonna do that to, like, yes, let's talk about it more. Let's talk about more about knowing our value, adding tax illuminating each other's amazingness, 'cause I don't think we do it enough. Because the most simple example I uses if you see someone wearing like a wild outfit, and you're like, oh, hi can never wear that. And then you look at him or her and you think, oh, that's other, like why not you? That is the that is the central question to my entire life is, why, not me, why not me and that is what I propose to people like, why not you to be that person that you are admiring and maybe even a little jealous of because that means you care. A good place for us to start. Like we're getting right into the philosophy. So we're hanging out here in this container in the studio good life project. So if I offer up the phrase to live a good life. What comes who live a good life is to tell stories in your final years that you're incredibly proud of. Thank you. Thank you so much for listening. And thanks also to our fantastic sponsors who helped make this show possible. You can check then out in the links. 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How conscious investors can turn up the heat and make companies change | Vinay Shandal

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How conscious investors can turn up the heat and make companies change | Vinay Shandal

"This Ted talk features, investment, agitator, Vanatu's doll recorded. Live at Ted at b. c. g. twenty eighteen. Like TED talks, you should check out the Ted radio hour with NPR. Stay tuned after this. Talk to hear sneak peek of this week's episode. Some things are hard to control like the volume at a music festival. Other things are easy to control like you're in home wifi with xfinity x. y. you get fast speeds and the ultimate control over your home wifi network. With the x fi app, you can do things like see which devices are online and how long they've been connected or set a wifi curfew for that. Someone who check social media at three in the morning. So go ahead and take control of your wifi with xfinity x. fi it simple easy. Awesome. Go to xfinity dot com. Call one eight hundred xfinity or visit a store to learn more xfinity. Internet required other restrictions apply. For small business owners being plugged in and prepared. 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Well, good because they're actually not going to solve the issues. But before you dismiss them, let me say they're not going to solve the issues, but they will show us how so? Who are they? They're activists, investors, Carl Icahn, Dan Loeb. Paul singer Barry Rosenstein. These are the modern day oggi's of Wall Street. These are scary, dude. I don't mean green goblin, scary. I mean, real scary. The fear they strike in the hearts of a company CEO and board when they enter it stock is the same fear. You feel when you hear a bear outside your tent and it's dark, and you're sitting there with. A mouthful of Doritos that just moments ago, you had snuck out of the ten to pull down from the bear, hang because you had the munchies that fear. And in that moment you are praying, oh, Lord. Please let this bear be passing through that. Bear is not passing through that. Bear made a detour for you bears like Doritos activists like money. Some activists also liked Doritos, but they definitely want money. Okay. And the way they make money, the way they create value is by getting management of corporations to make changes. Now, some will argue that the changes the create, the value they create its too short term in nature, and others will say the tactics they use our agrees. I agree, long drawn out, lawsuits, public smear campaigns. There is no need for that. But I must say there's a small handful of activists, very small. I go to great lengths to be constructive in collaborative. And overall, we have to give credit credit is due as of group. They have managed to catalyze large-scale change in large corporations, and that's no small feat. Now, imagine a world where all investors were working with management to make change, not just to make more money. But to improve the environment and society. Imagine what a greener and better world. This would be now why? Why would an investor bother at first blush I'm with you. Why would an investor care? Because if doing well on ESPN issues, environmental social and governance issues was just an act of good corporate citizenship. Then I agree investors would not care, but the good news and perhaps the saving grace for our collective futures is that it's so much more than an active good corporate citizenship. It's good business. There's now enough evidence that shows a clear correlation between ES she performance and financial performance. Companies that do good for the environment and society also do well financially, and some of the best companies are catching on, like deeds. Adidas is cleaning up the ocean and making money in the process. Adidas teamed up with an organization called parley four. The ocean parley goes out and collect plastic waste from the ocean. Adidas use the plastic ways to make shoes shoes made with plastic from the ocean, good for the environment and good for business. Because if you know that rapidly growing consumer segment known as hipsters, and I know you know, hipsters, then you know that a hipster face the choice between a no name shoe and Adidas. Made with plastic from the ocean will pick the Adidas everyday of the week and twice on Sunday, and then walk around like it's no big deal, but look for every opportunity to talk about them like like an Uber pool. Hey, I notice you looking at my feet, do I'm just, I'm just making slides. I've, I'm a consultant. I make slides and making PowerPoint slides look, no, it's fine. I get why you would be looking the plastic on my shoe must be bothering you. Well, let me talk about it for the rest of this ride. Usually the plastic on my shoe is from the ocean on my feet, not in your fish. Being walked on, not being much happy feet, happy fish, happy ocean, do them apart. EKO shoes. I got echoes needs to echo shoes. You need to. And so on just cornering. We've all been there him have me a cell phone. I'm going to give you a discount code. I got discount code. Let me give you a discount code. We've all been. I have. I have jumped out of moving pools. Just moving highway. I'm out. I'm out. But look, we got it. Forgive the hipsters because I love the hipsters. We need hipsters, and we need companies like Adidas and what we need most is for investors to convince other companies to behave like us. And herein lies the challenge. There's a growing body of growing group of investors, call them conscious investors, conscious investors care about ESPN issues, and they talk a lot about engaging management on ESPN issues, but they don't actually get management to make changes that will improve the environment and society. And this is where conscious investors can take a page from the playbook of the activists, investors because the activists, investors have no issues getting management to make changes. You have no issues turning up the heat. You know, take Paul singer. He's an old school Wall Street OG. Now in his seventies loves Doritos loves making money. Argentina owed Paul, six hundred million dollars and would not pay big mistake. You can't take money from an OG and not pay back. Paul went to war with Argentina. I'm not making this. I'm not invented. This is big. This is huge. It's a bigger than Tyson versus Holyfield alley versus foreman. This was man versus country pulsing going around the world trying to seize up Argentinian assets. At one point, he tried to seize an Argentinian navy vessel off the coast of Ghana. He tried to take over a three hundred fifty foot ship while big navy officers with big guns were on the ship. He got the police in Ghana to show up with a crane and threaten to board the ship, and it wasn't until the navy officers drew their weapons as they called off the operation. That's what I call turning up the heat. Now you may say. You say, will Paul lost the battle? And I'll say Paul won the war because Paul didn't get paid one type twenty times his original investment. And you have Barry Rosenstein his fun. Janna partner started stealth mode buying up stock and whole foods at a time when whole foods with struggling. They got to eight percent came out and push whole food to sell itself to Amazon and not because Barre wanted same day delivery of his organic Doritos. He wanted to make some money. Now, the seal of whole foods, John Mackey, and the board did not want to sell themselves to whole to Amazon because that would be the prime example of selling out. But in the end, they caved why? Because berry turned up the heat and he made three hundred million dollars in the process. And he did not leave a very nice impression on John k, you're not going to see John and berry just hugging it out at the whole foods cafe. It's a very different example. Now, the Chicago teachers pension fund a ten billion dollar conscious investor. They recently came out hard against private prisons in the US and good for them. As a new parent. I tell you, I'm troubled by devastating images of young children being ripped out of the arms, their parents of the US border and being placed in private attention facilities did too little to help the kids maintain contact with their parents. So what are the Chicago teachers do. Did they get management to make changes? Did they turn up the heat? Did they look management in the eye and say, this is no way to run a business. There's a different way to do things. Let me show, you know, they just sold their stock selling, did nothing. It's not like management woke up the next day and had an epiphany and say, gosh, the teacher sold their stock, we'd better be nice to the kids know that didn't happen. And despite a decade of several high profile divestitures in private prison stocks in the US the stock has continued to climb the stock over that same period has outperformed the market. And the biggest issue is we went from set of conscious investors owning stock to wit potentially being owned by investors who don't care about these issues and don't care what you think about these issues. And this is my issue with conscious investors. Their MO is to divest or divert money into focus spots. You can't divest your way to agree world. You can divest your way to green portfolio. Not to agree in her world. So what's it gonna take what's it gonna take the flip the script to get conscious investors to go from, divesting to engaging to go from talking about engaging to actually work with management to make changes that will improve their ES. She performance. Because there's a lot suggesting shoot and they could. They should give him a clear correlation between ES she performance and financial performance. They could because the activists have shown us. It could. A shareholder can't drive change in a company. The difference is Paul in berry do what they do to make money. The conscious investors would do it to improve society and the environment and make money in the process and do it a little more collaboratively and constructively. And they have the backing of some of the largest investors vanguard in BlackRock together the they manage trillions. They've been increasingly vocal about the importance of ES g. The CEO of BlackRock has been increasingly vocal in its annual letters about this issue, even Janna partners, the same oggi's that John called greedy bastards. Recently co wrote an open letter to the board of apple saying, hey, your smartphones are addictive for children, fix it. Apple is working on it. So what it's gonna take some pressure. It's going to take some pressure on conscious investors to intern, put some pressure on management to make changes that will improve the environment and society, and where did they start start by picking an issue that that matters to them and taking a stand on it, take a stand on an issue that lines up with your purpose, water preservation, labor rights, diversity, as long as it lines up with your purpose, your golden and the biggest unlock get the senior most in breast seniormost investment professionals focused on this today. When an activist shows up to a campaign, it's the senior investment professional talking to the CEO and the board, and everyone hears about it. Wanna conscious investor shows up to talk about an ESE issue. It's some junior person in the risk department talking to some junior person in the investor relations department, and nobody hears about it and that needs to change. And it's not some massive leap today wanna company under four underperformance financially who's on the hook, the senior invest. Professional. So what do they do? They drop everything and work with management collaboratively and constructively to make changes to improve the company's financial performance. The same should be true when the company underperforms on ES g. issues. And yes, that requires standardization how we measure ES g, but we're on it. So folks, here's my call to action. It's your money. It's your pension fund. It's your sovereigns. Well fund, it's your university's endowment. It's your money, and it's your right to have your money managing line with your values. So use your voice and trust that it matters. It was your voice that God's the investors more conscious in the first place you protested for years because you didn't feel right about your money. Being invested in companies whose values don't line up with yours. It's time to use that voice again. But this time sort of pushing them to divest push them to engage, truly engage, truly work with management to make changes that will improve their performance. You made them aware of the issues you can now focus them on fixing them. Thank you. For more TED talks, but at Ted dot com. What percent of the food in American supermarkets do actually think is food. The definition of food is something that's stains nourishes nourishment is something that increases your health. So forty percent of the stuff in American supermarkets wouldn't qualify as food. Forty percent wouldn't qualifies food, right? How we connect with our food that's next time on the Ted radio hour from NPR subscribe or listen to the Ted radio hour wherever you get your podcasts.

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