20 Episode results for "Virginia Beach Virginia"

How Kevin Built a 6 Figure Business From Home

Journey to $100 Million

03:42 min | 1 year ago

How Kevin Built a 6 Figure Business From Home

"Hey there. I'm kevin daisy and americans and join us on our journey to building one hundred million dollar companies. Hey hey everyone. This is kevin between the years of two thousand six. When i started my business and two thousand eleven before i hired my first contractor i built a six figure business working from home et. Eh condo on twenty third street in virginia beach virginia with very little overhead just a nice computer some software and a suit and tie. I was able to build up a business making a hundred thousand dollars a year. This is something i never thought would be possible and it really just came from working very hard. All the time around the clock going to meetings be imparted groups building only my network doing great work and getting referrals and doing that all day every day. I set up a really cool officer. Myemma condo actually buddy clients there for meetings and it worked out pretty well. I didn't seem to have a problem being too small and not getting the work that i needed and i think part of the downturn in the economy around that time helped me get more work. I was kinda cheap. You know the lower priced options out there and so i just had tons of work and i slowly raise my prices. I slowly learned more. Things started adding a new services like s._e._o. And and things like that but really it was just if you would pay us pay me. I would do it so logo design website website design s._e._o. Marketing what have you i was doing it. It did get a little crazy. I didn't get any time off. I could not go away way without checking my email constantly and doing support for clients but i did build a sphere business and short period of time. It was challenging. I was very young. People didn't believe that i could deliver or sitting in a room full of executives active or owners at twenty. Some years old was difficult but i had to do it. I had to show confidence and i got really good at doing that. That's helped me out a lot as as i've grown business today so it's not the easiest thing but everyone can do it. I had no clue what i was doing. I had no business plan. I had no capital nothing. I started doing the work guinea more work doing more work and you can do that. It's just a matter of i'm putting things in place to grow it and scale it. That's what i lacked at the time. I did all this stuff myself. I wasn't great at scaling the business. That's that's what we're going on now and i. I wish i knew what i knew now. I think that'd be a different place but that's just part of learning the hard way. I think is the best way to learn and i wouldn't trade it for anything but if you're out there trying to start a business no matter what it is you can do it with very little it'll help and with very little capital or assistance so get out there and make it happen. Thank you for listening. It's time for a new website if so we'd love to help you out check out our website services at this array dot com.

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#1168 - Q&A: Should I pay someone to build my website?

Side Hustle School

04:41 min | 8 months ago

#1168 - Q&A: Should I pay someone to build my website?

"Countdown date twenty. Four twenty four days from now. The money tree launches into the world. I can't wait to share it with you but for now. Here's a second question of the week about building a website and just continuing that question. We had the other day about using squarespace or another platform. Today's caller wants to know. Should you pay someone to build your website or do it yourself is there. Perhaps a third way and she's interested in seeing what other people have done and how that might lead to an answer for herself. How do people navigate this question situation? I and she's also feeling a bit stuck on this point. So by the way whenever you have a point in which you find yourself stuck it helps to identify the bottleneck and find a way to fix it. So you're not holding up the rest of your plan ask yourself what am I stuck on right now? My stuck on the phase of my stuck on the implementation phase was that thing. That's holding me back. And how can I move forward all right? Should I pay him onto my website? That's coming up in today's episode. Stay tuned hi Chris. This is Gretchen from Virginia Beach Virginia. I've been listening to your podcast for about a now and really enjoy all of the stories and tips. The one question that I have is whether the people in the stories told set up their own websites or do they pay to have someone help them. This has been the hold up for me something. I debated a lot because I do not have a side hustle currently therefore I questioned spending the money I would like to set up a blob. So that's where my website needs. Come in I just recently decided to pay someone since. I just can't find the time to learn all that needs to be done and then set it up. I feel if I had more time. I could save the money but with business travel in particular. This is hard when side-hustle stories are told. It's pretty vague like they set up a website. I love to know if others are getting help to get started and then learn how to manage it or if they are setting it up on their own. Thanks and I look forward to continuing my side. Hustle journey with the help of your podcasts. Thank you so much Gretchen. So glad you're listening in Virginia Beach Short version here is. I think you've made a good decision. And your case and as for what other people do like our other people paying someone to make their website or they're doing it on their own. It's a combination. It's a combination of of some people doing it completely on their own others getting a little bit of help others paying people to build the whole thing you know so as to which one it is usually depends on first of all the person's skill level and be what they're trying to do and the second thing is important because in the case of a blog like what you mentioned you might be able to get going with basic theme from wordpress or squarespace or another platform. A lot of these services are built to be DIY or at least diy friendly. However I totally agree that it's important to consider your available time and in this case. It sounds like you need to get help. It sounds like it's something that was holding you back. You have other travel. You have stuff that you're doing even though it costs money. It seems like you've come to the conclusion that this could be a worthwhile investment and I agree. So if you're not a coder and what you're trying to set up is more complicated or more complex than something that is very very basic that you could do with one of these platforms then definitely get some help. But here's a tip for you and anybody else out there in a situation if you are getting help you want to be specific about what you want. This is something that I had to learn over the years. I do think it's helpful to become technically literate just like becoming visually literate which doesn't mean you become a designer or a code if you're not wine but it's just helpful to learn to describe what you like and what you don't like about different websites or apps or platforms especially anything that relates to functionality. Your user experience once you kind of get better at that. That will make it a lot easier when you're paying someone to build something for you because something I struggled with in the beginning was like I had an idea. I had a vision but I didn't really know how to describe that at least in technical terms over the years. I have just learned to improve on that by doing and I'm sure you will as well so thank you so much. Crushing could let us know how the law goes and listeners. If you have a question come to school dot com slash questions. We're going to be teaching them throughout the year. Along with updates from other listeners has launched their projects. This has been episode eleven sixty eight. Thanks so much I'll be back again tomorrow. Eleven sixty nine. My name is Chris. Gil about this is science old From the onward project.

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The Pros & Cons of Canceling Our Biggest Event

Journey to $100 Million

05:16 min | 7 months ago

The Pros & Cons of Canceling Our Biggest Event

"So even though I was really bummed out about it it actually worked out in our favor. Hey there I'm Eric Olsen and I'm Kevin days join us on our journey to building a one hundred million dollars company. What's up everybody? It's Eric J Olson this February Twentieth. Which has already passed. I know but this past February twentieth of Twenty Twenty. We were going to hold our first. Paid event called the State of Digital Marketing Address. We have been working on this for a couple of months and we had been selling tickets and we got to the point the day before the actual event that we sold out we were super pumped that we sold this out. We saw two hundred tickets and we were ready to rock and roll but there was a problem. The problem was that we got a winter weather advisory that was going to begin at three. Pm The day of our event and our events started at five thirty PM. Now where we're from. Is the Virginia Beach Virginia area? It just doesn't snow that often and if there's any kind of weather situation whatsoever the moment that people start to hear about it they freak out and what we realized was that we were faced with a situation that was beyond our control. The weather and we had a decision make. We could either evaluate the winter weather advisory and try to think about what it was going to be like. If we actually held Arben it was gonNA be safe or not for people to travel there and whether people would travel there or should we cancel the event and move it to a future date. The thing was it didn't really matter what we thought. The conditions would be later on that evening because the damage had already been done when that winter weather advisory came out and when frankly the media just blasted all over the place that is the only thing people were talking about on the morning of February twentieth and so I- Elbow. I'd I had made a couple of stops before I got to the Office. And that is the only thing people were speaking about at the places that I stopped at was the weather so I knew coming to the Office on February Twentieth. That we were in trouble that our event was at risk of being cancelled we briefly spoke about it in our huddle are nine seventeen huddle and then afterwards and then. I just had to make the decision that we were going to postpone it now. I am not a worry wart I would normally press through with these things but the goal of the event to pack the room and provide just a ton of value and frankly to have a lot of prospects in that room and because of that winter weather advisory and because of the damage that had already been done because the advisory came out. It didn't matter anymore. What the reality was going to be that evening? If it started to snow at all or not people were not going to show so recognizing that and recognizing that about half. The room would not be there. It would be half the crowd that we expected. It was worth the risk to postponent so we postponed it and it took a few days before we got a new date. The new date is March twelfth. And I'm recording this before March twelfth. But something pretty interesting happened. A couple of people dropped out because they couldn't make the new date and we gave them a refund but then we were able to resell those tickets at full price so some of the tickets that we had to refund we had given as a discount or student ticket. But we decided that the new batch of tickets and there's only about twenty of them. We're going to sell a full price. Which is exactly what we did. And we're actually going to be raising the rate just a couple of days before the event to a much higher amount so honestly it. Kinda worked out and another really cool thing that we didn't anticipate. Is We talk about this event for another three weeks. We get to talk about on. Social Media. We'll get to push it we get to Get people excited about it. And we've got more time to plan so in reality postponing. It actually was a blessing in disguise. We'll probably get a lot more traction out of the postponement and the fact that we have more time than if we had just pushed ahead on February twentieth. So you never know how this is. GonNa work out but so far so good. If you have to cancel event there is a silver lining. Thank you for listening. Are you ready to supercharge your marketing online? Advertising is the fastest way to do then visit us at dot com for more information.

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#BGNPodcast Extra - Something In The Water Festival RECAP

Black Girl Nerds

1:11:00 hr | 1 year ago

#BGNPodcast Extra - Something In The Water Festival RECAP

"Welcome to this special edition of the black owners podcast. My name is Jamie. I'm your host this episode. What we are doing is recapping the inaugural festival of Arroyo Williams, something in the water. It happened April twenty-sixth through the twenty eighth here in Virginia Beach Virginia, an some of you listeners probably are hearing for the first time that I'm based in Virginia Beach Virginia because I don't really talk about my city that much, but I'm really excited to to talk about it on this show and very pleased and honored to have J. From just say words podcast. I'm sure many of you listeners are familiar with his work. He's here to talk to me about it. 'cause he's also locally based in Virginia Beach and went to the festival and Jay first of all welcome to the show and tell our listeners, you know, more about who you are give us all of your shadow outs. And tell us what brought you to the festival AM, buddy. My name is Jay host adjust. Podcast. I'm also Zeo in creative director of the popular network. All yeah. I live in Virginia Beach. I'm lived here off and on since two thousand four and the festival was one of those things for me where this year is one of the years. I want to go to a festival I'm also incredibly lazy and so's in. There is a festival basically three exit delay. I said, you know, what let me get in there in a show my face. And I mean, it it was great for us. Because truth be told Virginia Beach does not have these kinds of festivals. We have cute little nice festivals. Like the Neptune festival and various events that happened through the vessel. But something like this like something in the water was huge. And we're going to go into all the details as to why and so much more. And we're we're gonna kinda talk about both the pros and the cons, of course, obviously with every inaugural event, there's always some shortcomings, but we also have really positive in amazing things to say about the festival. So I wanted to start by talking about pre-festival Mike experience because I actually when I first heard about the something in the water festival in nj free to chime in when you head. I heard about it. I saw it on Facebook. And I just started. Following the something will know, they didn't create or social accounts at the time. So I just followed it on Facebook. And every time the Virginian pilot would have an article about it. I would read and then I started just doing all of my research and going on linked in and looking at anybody that was involved with organizing the festival to kind of get a sense of who they are. And if there were any updates on their social accounts about it because I really wanted to be a part of it. And then the moment that the website went live and their socials went live. I followed all of them. And I just started to apply for anything that was possible. So I applied as a volunteer. I applied as a member of the press, and sadly, I did not get press credentials my assumption. There is that probably it was because of the fact that they wanted maybe locally based TV imprint outlets to cover it an on black role. Nerds we don't really cover much locally based con. Content in certainly not a whole lot of music. So it, you know, I had to take a piece of humble pie on that one. Because I'm like, I get credentials everywhere. Why didn't I get approved for this? But I did get approved as a volunteer. And that was a fantastic experience in all talk a little bit more about that later. But j tell me what brought you to the festival or how did you find out about something in the water own same way, I seen a miserable about it kinda like against they were in the brainstorming session in a way where they're like we're thinking about thrown it. Right. And then it was we, you know, we're going to sit down people kept seeing more news reports about we're gonna throw this festival. We're going to this is what we're trying to do. In essentially. There's enough local artists artists wrong Virginia to to kind of get a festive alone. So I just assumed it was gonna be like some really good hometown hero type type visible. There. The next thing. I know whenever like, no, we're really doing it in a few months. Antigone tickets will be going up soon. I was already in my head like, wow, they by the really gonna do this. I think that was around the same time that they had said like for wants to build a wave pool here, which is something else is going to be done oceanfront. And I was like man he's really trying to like do a lot of things been festivals a real deal next thing. I know it was the tickets are going up the site is live. This is the day because I remember setting the alert in my phone. So there was like tickets on sale at whatever day it was in the site went up. I just doing the same thing. I went in scoured everything we apply for media, financials, I made everybody on the network aware of the applied for media stuff. And. That was kinda that was kind of like we really did are due diligence in like we eventually found out who was running a lot of the media stuff. So we kind of sat down south to them for a little bit. And then not all of us got got media credentials, but some of us date announced pretty dope. I was led to see j- alita in all of them. So the lot of college kids college journalists around here got their media passes announcement breakside about that on an and that was really I think that's the newspaper. Whatever was on. I think it was like general Santa around here. And that was it, but we did our due diligence as far as like trying to get access to as many areas as possible answer yet. That's really good to know that locally based college journalists got credentials to get in. 'cause I feel like that's the heart of wet ferrall wanted for this festival is to inspire encourage young locally based journalists and just talent. To be a part of this experience. So that's really cool that they brought in journalists at the local colleges and universities. Absolutely. Yeah. It was really excited to to. I think they're playing was to get chain from each college around here, so from Norfolk stay ODU hamden on I think there might have been two or three other cows. I think they were trying to go for at least thirty to forty. Super excited about you know, what they did. And that was super smart of them too. Yeah. Yeah. It really was in. I'm really excited that, you know, even though I didn't get a chance to get in his press that I was able to kinda finagle my way in by way of being a volunteer. They actually had a pretty huge pool of volunteers to apply. I was told by the volunteer coordinator shutout to nica, so nice. Very sweet. She told me that three thousand people volunteered or replied, rather as volunteer and only two hundred people were selected. So that's incredible. Also, the I think what they broke it down to as far as volunteers were concerned was they were picking people based on their location, if they were locally based also college degrees. So I was like, okay. Well, that's that's pretty cool that that's what they use to narrow it down. My position as volunteer. I worked with the hospitality team. Everybody was super nice super cool to company called b WG, and they host end do event planning rather for several festivals and events all across the country. So ferrall on his team brought in VW to help with the hospitality management. And basically what that consisted of was creating a list of all of the items that the celebrities in the artists that we're going to be performing what they needed so putting together snacks in boxes for them and alcoholic beverages in different packages for them. And then putting those into their trailers. So that way everything is kinda nice in prepared for them when they go into their trailer in. Oh, so funny because looking at. Looking at some of the list of what people wanted like. For example, the migos? They wanted lots of cereal. They wanted cereal and a bottle of Don Julio. So it's just interesting to see what the different requests that were coming in for the artists and having a chance to go into those trailers, which were just ridiculous, so nice, plush seating and some of the trailers were carpeted, and you know, I I've never been in one of those kind of fancy trailer. So it was cool to to see how the artists were going to be set up a before they arrived in in. That was my experience as a volunteer. So yeah, just kind of giving you guys the inside scoop with that one yet. Yeah. So let's let's move today. One day. One was interesting. Why don't you start? Jay, tell us about your experience day one day. One was it was up in the air. I was already going to anxious. I'd already kinda planned on going to the festival head midday. So it gets around one o'clock. I daydream all the other subsidize the locker is department ride. Also this up and they started to rain rainy. I kinda was like, well, I'll go later on in. I think that's when they started sending the out all the messages aimed like a we're gonna we're gonna push things back. We're gonna push things back, and then we'll reopen later. A remember them saying like so the parking ride is still postponed because the park ride is going by on. I Parker right people. This means you bark, your car, the Virginia Beach amphitheater in the take a bus to from the from the empathy either to the convention center, but that space or the people controlling that are also tied to something in the water. So they only move when they're told the boat. Right. So I'm sitting in my house, and I'm like I want to go to the convention center. So I call an Uber. The moment I get in Uber. The sky opens. Is just raining everywhere of the driver is in older woman. So she is a very very afraid to drive in this. I mean, it was raining. Very heavy so note, no to her, but she was just like she freaked out at this time. I was asking other people like, you know, where they add like, what are they gonna do delegates? Rain into artists day in and outs. At that point. I'm trying to figure out because I keep getting these text messages, and I'm checking Twitter in there like where the venues are closed now venues is flora, so I'm thinking the convention center is in that. So I ended up telling the overdrive just take me back home because I think they're close the moment that happened is win. I was told that for is speaking. So this other tone panel is if happening and I'm like, oh, man, I need to I need to get down there. That was one of the main things that was like to do list the driver because she's freaked out just dropped me off near my house. Not in front of my house, and I didn't really want to get into it with her about like you need to all closer. Anyway. So jump out of the van I'll get soaked around the house and now meant so now like I I don't know what to do. So don't change girls again in call another Uber. Wait, fifteen minutes getting this. I get to the convictions in their checking a checking get all my bands and everything else. Wait in those lines. I get the in just enough time to watch the panel do nothing because it was over the also was like, oh, all right. That this is fine. You know, Aachen roll with the punches on. That was really as far as the day one the very beginning. Once they really kept pushing time back, I think that's when everybody started getting really ANSI. If some kind of way, so yeah, what was that? What you wear early in. Day. Yes. So for me, I was a little bit lucky because as a volunteer day on day one when we checked in. They gave us a parking pass will actually not all on tears got one. But I was able to retrieve a parking pass with my wristband when I checked in his volunteer. So I kept that parking pass on my dashboard the whole weekend. I used it while I was parked at the convention center. So every day of the festival, I would go into the convention center. And the folks that were moderating the traffic and stuff they just let me write in parked in the back. But another thing about the convention center. There were people that were parking there that did not have parking passes. So I don't know exactly how they were regulating that. But that's what I did all weekend. I would just leave my car there. And then I took the trolley so that actually happened on day to day one. I just left my car there the whole day my intention day, one was to I check out the panels. So that worked out for me. I went to the other tone panel with for Williams, Timbaland teddy Riley, push a t-, Scott veneer. I think is how you pronounce his name. He is also the podcast hosts along with Hurrell, there's it's called the other tone podcasts. And then Chad Hugo was there as well. So it was a really great panel. They talked about everything from being local here in Virginia Beach and being local in seven five seven in how important that was a to them growing up for real end. Chad actually went to school at Princess Anne high school in they visited Princess Anne while they were in town to just kind of talking about the roots here locally and one thing that really resonated with me during the panel was Feroze sentiment about something in the water. Not being a music festival that this is a community festival. So I thought that that was really important 'cause I was kind of going back and forth with this guy on the Facebook group for something in the water. It's like. A private face. Facebook groups of all of us can kinda you know, converse and get some information and talk about our experiences. So anyway, this one guy was like, you know, I don't wanna see anything else next year other than just music like if you add other stuff to the festival is just gonna dumb it down. And and and just kinda make duller than it should be. And I'm just like, yeah. But that's not what Feroze vision is. And I always thought that when they pitched this to the city council in Virginia Beach that it was going to be more like south by south west. So for people like me, I even though I love concerts. And I love the fact that they have these great acts perform, I love going to panels. I love going to movie screenings I like going to cool tech events. And that's what makes south by south west so appealing to me. So I think that is the vision that role has for something in the water. Not it just being a music festival. So just wanted to point that out. But yeah, it was it was a great panel. And then towards the middle or actually towards the end the all of the guys the guys that were featuring the panel they all stood up. And I wanted to get a really close shot because I knew I was going to be writing this for an article on black owners. So I wanted to get as close to the stage as possible get a good shot of everybody. So I left my seat which I was kinda seated. About eight rose from the back, and I left my seat. When up to the stage took some pictures got back to my seat, and I actually had a raincoat because it was raining that day end, my raincoat that was actually on my chair was gone. So I hope whoever took my raincoat that you guys needed it. It was rainy that day. So I'm sure there were probably some people that came to the festival not prepared to to endure the rain, even though the rather reports was saying that it was going to rain pretty much most of the day. But yeah, that that was kind of the only native experience I had with somebody stealing my raincoat. But then after that the panel ended Jay we connected hung out in the convention center a little bit. And you know, that was that was pretty much the extent of my day because unfortunately, it did rain on day one. And it wasn't like just regular drop drop kind of rain. It was torrential downpour wins. It was like almost hurricane style kind of rain. So they really did have to shutdown the music part of the festival which was good because it it would have been a safety hazard. Otherwise. That was that was it for day one. Yeah. I remember the moment. I don't know. I don't know if that left by the when they had announced that it was going to be cancelled that day in the nets Wayne when they announced it. I remember sitting in the chair like washing everybody on the convention center in like as it washed over the crowd, which was funny enough. Like, this is how funny social media is. And how like a silly that? Like, we are in this new like, we don't wanna age so. I'm sitting. Yes. I was like sitting around on. I was sitting around watching these people like it wash over them that is cancelled like everybody's all dressed up or not dress. And so. It is like China like, you know, get ready to go back to the beach. Right. And when they said it was cancelled I'm watching it wash over them, and they are in disbelief. They are hurt they upset until these two women were close to the table. I was at were like, that's it. It's canceled. Like, we're not getting anything today. And so I just so happened to get on Twitter by right after that happened and just kinda see like the media reactions in literally the two women that were behind me because they just to the pitcher together in posted in the hashtag than the water are out there like they're calling it the fire festival that they've been lied to. It's two minutes after that. It's been said that the the weather's bad. It's thundering and lightning outside it's torrential downpours. And they're like this is a fire festival. We've been set up. I can't believe it. And I was like I'll be on do the van inside those threads. It was the same thing about like the day. They. Nesta's out of money, and this that and the third and it was a whole bunch of insanity. There was people being like, I drove all the way from somewhere just for a little easy. This is really want by any people were still asking for UC to before we just game losing to make him perform it was like where where he before Matt it in in the convention center with knows equipment or out in the rain in the middle of may ox that will be insane. Why being like that? And so many people were like highly upset, and then I think the adults gonna came to the hashtag. And we're like you go look outside just go. All right. That doesn't make sense, right? Okay. So relaxed in the kind of washed over and everything individually to be honest individually that image of in there, people still stay hung out for really long time. The news was around on channel three channel tan on and to be honest. There were lights on you know, like I don't wanna say internet celebrities that feels like a not the right word. But that's how I know. So people who are famous on the internet or well known internet an walking around the convention center. So they were out there connecting when people now, it's pretty cool. I ran into of deer McKesson shutout him as he was in there chatted up with him for a little bit. And then just like everybody else went home. Yeah. I think it's really unfair to even remotely compare it to fire festival because this actually happened like the festival actually took place, and there were other things to do outside of going to music. So like me I went to the other tone panel. They also had two other panels at the convention center that day, and there was a movie screening of the net. Flicks foam, the burial of Kodjo. So that happened that evening. So the fact that people were saying that it was fire festivals. Ridiculous. They had all of the equipment. They had all of the resources in the tools and the setup for this to be a proper festival. It's just that the rain. Caused it to not happen. Because obviously that would have been a huge weather hazard, and and just it would have been a hazard to all of the attendees to endure the rain, and then there's like electric city and properly pyrotechnics that they had set up, and it just it wouldn't have been good for anybody. So it was a good call for them to go ahead. And cancel that. Also, what I really liked is the fact that on the something in the water app. It would give you constant updates. So even though we thought maybe the rain would subside at one point. They would give us updates on. You know, how things are going if it's still going to be cancelled or you know, if we're waiting for the rain to to wash away or whatever. But that we would get constant updates throughout the day. So I really liked the fact that they had done that for folks. But yeah, I think one thing that's really important is for all did something that was pretty remarkable, which quite frankly, he didn't have to do it. He actually. Refunded. A third of the ticket prices for day one of the festival so people did get refunds even though. There was still plenty of activities in things to do people were still partially refunded for day one since the musical acts could not perform so kudos to him on that. Because not a lot of festivals are not a lot of people would have even done that. So. Knows sell also day to arrives end day to just pretty much makes up for day. One. So. Yeah. Day to I as per usual. Because for me, I it was all about the panels and stuff for may. There was some really great conversations. There was a panel called God talk conversation, and I met Candace. Ben, Bo who has been a guest on my podcast believe she's been a guest on your podcast as well. Jay. Oh, yes. She she was on the man podcast. But yes, you're yeah. So I had a chance to meet with her briefly. And she just had this amazing discussion about faith-based ideals and principles among black millennials. And she kinda got into it a little bit with one of the panelists who he had his own ideas about Christianity and homosexuality and she had her own ideal. So gotten a little bit tense there for a second. But it was a really good panel. And I'm glad that I was a part of it. They even gave us these coal little church fans with the God talk logo on it. So it was a fun event. And then they just had so much going on. I mean, I go on. But I'll let you chime in on this one j for day two. Oh, yeah. I showed up significantly later than that. Because of in, sir. So yeah, I will be honest. I really wasn't in a rush date. You I didn't really have a plan. I think I think being new so some background. I've never been to a festival in never been so a concert. So this thing I didn't really have a game plan just essentially like was gonna get up everyday walking around until somebody was performing that. I wanted to see in that was it that was really my implant. So even the extra stops on like going to like the creative greatest camp or the basketball or that was kinda cool. But those were just more like things that I wanted to see my day essentially started with like me kinda debate win. I'm gonna go visually got down there. And everything was cool. Like like, you said it made up for the first day. I hadn't even heard we will say like in the lines like ghetto today is like remarkably better. There is no way based on like, you know, everybody kind of regretted like tweeting all those like means weeks the day. Before. So they're just kinda like him. And it's it's crazy that would have never been away for us to even enjoy ourselves. Let alone watch, you know, somebody tried to perform standing in the lines was a lot easier being around people as a lot easier. There was to be honest. Everybody kinda came with positive lives. I I mean, that's a little bit of like people trying to do this thing where they didn't really understand the rules of like the registration how that was kinda set setup. So a lot of people are just trying to like jump is like already a risk man wristband that look similar. They were different. So that was a thing. But I mean security was really cool security wasn't even like me. Even a really nice yet. They were whatever they look, man. I'm really trying to help you out. I think the only real time that I saw the issue on it might have been at the convention center because they were trying to do which I thought was really smart on day. One was let blend one way and let them exit. Another way that we don't have people bumping into each other creating bottlenecks situations in the one thing that will say about the festival overall. We're going to cover. It is whatever they messed up on the day before they fixed it the next day. So a lot of times people kept saying I had heard this in the sections that I was in was like give the thing that I did yesterday or the way I got here yesterday or the way they're moving today is completely different than yesterday. And it was kind of the same thing with the police like the way they blocked off streets the way they handled traffic. So all of that like it was literally like real time. We're fixing the issue on as far as like the festival in either park everything which is good, man. Like, I I really don't have too many like of this is weird on the one thing that I will say as far as concerned, not notice the inventory issue for them because they don't have any. We're gonna come make big in tall sizes. When you come to these vegetables. Stop leaving us. Big folks out numerous out, we give me here, we ask him for three Xs of of Xs, if people need, I know, I'm a pretty tall guy already big on me these three or four exits and you don't have him on in in. There were other people that were in line who came with tons of money. And we're like again, we know yet. What do you what do you mind for? So now, we're just buying clothes rather people in our family who can wear these rates. But yeah, just even if it's a limited amount. Even if you got a lot even if be like, you know, what we had about five exes in are all gone now fine. That's fine. That that is the one thing I would say about some of these stores lucky with money like wonder by merch on anyway. And it was they just didn't have any stuff like in mice is. And that's always annoying when you go to a store, and they don't have things in your ear size. I blame the local actual vendors because I don't even know if that has to do with the festival organizers, but just the vendors that are there throughout the year that sell t shirts and stuff and just making sure that they have extra inventory than usual for this event. But yeah, I I agree with that. I really liked the fact that it was easy to get around. At least for my experience. A I relied on the trawling to get back and forth from the convention center to the ocean front as I mentioned before I had left my vehicle at the convention center to be part and the trolley was two dollars one way four dollars and fifty cents for the whole day. I think it's eight dollars for the weekend. So very cheap. And it ran every fifteen minutes. I mean, I barely waited for the trolley. They would always be one available when I'd walk over to the ocean front or walk up to the convention center to to grab one. So that was really cool having reliable transportation to get out there. I really just enjoyed the fact that they had other things to do outside of the scope of going to the main stage they had pop up events. So they had an Adidas park where people could go and wait in line, which Janai we we waited in line to get into the park. And then we waited in line again to will actually we didn't wait in line again. But we saw that there was another line to get free. What they call sliders. Oh, yeah. Made the Dita's lies yet. So a demon was basically like, yeah. So people waited in line for that. And also, you could get a free tote bag. So that that's cool. If he wanted to get that product. But I really like the the park that they just kind of had an area where you can lounge and they also had a stage, which unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to see anybody perform on the stage. But they had this really nice stage that was set up. And then they had this creator wall where people could just sign their names and say I was here and sign that. And that was that was a great experience. And then Adidas also had a basketball court that was set up so people could play basketball, and I think they had like different kinds of challenges in tournaments and stuff like that happening. So that was really really cool in the my favorite activation slash pop-up was the timber linn shop, which I just thought it was really cool that they had free shirt. It's for everybody to have with something in the water. Logos zones the Timberlake Timbaland logo, and then they had water bottles and a water dispenser machine. So you could get free water that to me is like not common when you go to a lot of these festivals. I I've rarely had the experience of getting free water. I'm usually having to pay for bottled water somewhere or trying to find a water fountain somewhere inside of the convention center. And a lot of times, they're not even that sanitary. Comic con has been notorious for that. But, but yeah, I I really thought it was cool that they had this cute water dispenser machine. And they also have like iced coffee. So it was a place to relax recharge. They had an lounge area for seating. So and then they had this huge Timbaland boot, you could take a picture with which I took a photo. It was just a really good time. And then they also had a the Sony park, which was nice which was just an area that was by the way, free and open to the public. Shoutout to ferrall for actually creating events that were open to the public. So you didn't even need a wristband to get in. But in the Sony park. You could listen to music they had a huge stage there they had a PlayStation area where they had all of these consoles setup. So you can play video games. You could take pictures with the men in black. They're another weren't actual cast members. But these guys dressed up as the men in black. Characters with one of the goals featured in the movie, and they had a photo booth within cell phone displays sunup, so they just had all of these really cool perks. Oh, and then the three sixty dome which was this. Nice reality audio. Yeah. Listening dome in that was so what did you think about the Sony park in the in the other pop ups, they Jim import probably was my second favorite of it became a first Raver, but we'll get into that in a little bit. At first it was my Sony the Sony. Bark definitely was was my favourite. Tim lay was dope because they're giving. You like you said they gave away key chains. They gave away phone cases. The gave away the water bottle in I think ethics shirts. So yet the one thing that I didn't know that I guess is about to start sweeping the nation for anybody is like cornhole. Cornhole was everywhere that we went on it was an Adidas park. It was in Timberline park. And it was just every and I was like how many do we all need to start playing Corneau's that was going to bring Easter everybody. Because really, right. Maybe around Jameis gear came in with the coral win everywhere that is that's where our on. It was really fun. Like, I'm like, hey, I guess I need to go get into Cornell. Now on your part was really good the three sixty dollars. Incredible. I could realistically sat in there. Like either. Took an air matches in late in airplay like a bunch of like of like, yeah. Like line motives or something? It was a water Berman happened meditation sound bath, which I didn't get a chance to go to. But it sounds like that would have been a really dope. But I wonder if anybody I know anybody win on the math ask around to. Yeah. I don't know what that would be like an how many people can fit in there. Because realistically, everybody did what felt natural was to get to the edge and not be in the center. Is that was the mini black dudes? They were cool. I'm not sure as you said, they're not cast members. But they just seem like two regular Italian guys who already own those same suits. Because that's really the news that man, and I was like I feel like you this is your own suit. This is not anyway. At our to him. I I will cool. The robotic dogs is for almost two photo booth people love taking pictures on for things. I thought like that's the other thing that I thought was released more about this like putting up new mirrors putting up spaces where people can take pictures like these or Instagram boom moments like everybody profits from this thing rice, Instagram likes. Go up the usage goes up tweets all of stuff. So everybody social was really smart of our people who were handling the social were really smart, an handling the art like where things are pleased. They're not out of on the not in the way. So a lot of the pictures that is all people like capitalizing on those things I thought that was really smart back at the Sony stage. The DJ's is really good having alcohol out. There was smart. The whole the whole Sony PlayStation on trailer was incredible like release. Cheaply? I would've never thought that they could cram that many games into that space in cram is probably the wrong word, but it was just like days gone just came out. So they had a bunch of TV with days gone on it. They were also released more about letting parents with kids coming there. No. Like, hey, this is a role for mature games. So I'm just letting you know before you get on. There is a the, you know, the tannin up ears games that are for everybody on. So they were really whatever I really wanted a PlayStation shirt or one of those like Sony something in the water shirts on. But I think those are only for the people who work at ten on in a new way I felt like there was one more thing our area. There were the charging station inside of that PlayStation game room to which was pretty cool. Which I thought was smart, and they had in the also had another trailer to tell you about their phones in their other new Gant than they had coming. I didn't over there because I had a night. Oh, that's nice job doing that as good on our when they were giving away free glasses. So they're RayBan esque, and they say PlayStation on the only aren't so I was really exciting. And also, I didn't go to this. Because quite frankly, I don't need to go to this. But I think that they're obviously a lot of people in the community that do, and I think it's great that ferrall thought of this. There was something called a sober house. So it was for people that are former addicts and just need a place to not feel triggered by any sort of alcohol. That's being consumed throughout the festival, and they can just go there and talk with someone or just kinda hang out with other people that are clean and sober. So I just thought that was great that they created a space for folks to just kinda commune with other folks that are fighting addiction. Yeah. No. I thought that was really smart to and to be honest. I think they had a really good layout. As far as the alcohol beverages were concerned. Like, they were either really out of the way, they would never like most most places when you go on like, I've I've been to more sporting events. So it's more like they do the most let you know X there's alcohol over here. Like, there's big like Bacardi posters vote. Wiser, Bud Light or something. Right. Let you know that there's out all in in the way, they do the simple light, beer wine. Cocktail sign on one. Maybe like really early on. And then one in the far in in the VIP is it was really just like a small team. It wasn't into had like four cashiers or whatever. And then it wasn't like you really had to go look for it wasn't a situation where it was like in your face like it would be like a sporting event. So I also think that was really good in doing that way. It also like you said like being really considerate of other people. Yeah. So then the main stage which is day two brought in a lot of media impressed to the event because of who is there. So I did not stay for the main stage event. And the reason why is I do have a little bit of anxiety. When it comes to large crowds know, that's probably something that you're sporadic to hear about. But by large crowds. There was like what at least forty thousand people that were there on the beach in front of the stage waiting for the axe to perform on day two. And it got so much it became so overwhelming for me that I had to get out of there. And if I had stayed even a little bit longer, I wouldn't have been able to get out. That's how many people were there. I would not have been able to find an exit to leave the stage area to the beach or to the boardwalk. So I decided to leave early, but I know j you stayed. 'cause you're in VIP, which by the way next year. I'm getting VIP because it's a completely different experience between the general admission and the VIP, folks. Yeah. That's true. So that is mainly because so one reason is I was telling everybody really wanted to go this. I didn't know what kind of ticket on wants to get. And everybody said it's your first one you should do up. Big so go all out. Right. So that's the only reason why I really got the VIP ticket. I so I do have a fair amount of Guidi mainly. I was like I didn't know what to do in. Also, I was essentially going by myself on because I didn't know who bought a ticket. I know people were really excited, but I didn't know who was going to buy ticket. I didn't wanna see there. I know it would probably run into somebody. So when but also I know that when my personality I can kind of get in somewhere in kind of be cool with people just for the day on and so will look out for each other for the day, and then that'll be so the thing that. This is going to be is going to be bad. But it's kind of thing that will happen. So two things. This is why timberland bar ended up becoming my number one. So wants me in Jamie's with a we. I went to the VIP's action. Now, they make you walk in through one fence in you check in check your bag in they give you the Timberline water bottle on its metal. When I went in there. They took that bottle outta my bag, and I asked the one I was like, look this is the one disobedience provided by you guys. Why are you taking this model on my bag in the guy a previously, I guess some act before somebody through their bottle? And so now, they're banned in it's all like, I just got this bottle, man. I'm a grownup looking my face. I'm not I'm not gonna serve this bodily goes. I can't risk it. You can come back and get it when the concert in our like when all the acts are over or whenever you, basically. He was like whenever you leave. And I was like, okay. All right now mind, you this happened to us before the deed is basketball or they took our bottles where we got them back. So which is fine. So I ended up walking through. Now, we're I'm Josh I didn't do this in another. Explain this to somebody else when you walk in. You're on Tim street where the stages is really they're saying fifth street stage. Whether it's really like third street, it's this. So it's like that old thing. So you're us intially, even if you are you are walking through general yet, the Walter general missions, you're just on the boardwalk at walking in the sand, which by the way for me having the experience of walking on the sand. It's much better to go into that, welcome the boardwalk because walking through sand from ten straight to third street is seven blocks. It was a track. My thighs were on fine. Really? So that's what I was thinking. So I'm looking and I'm like, wait. So the reason why this should be better is I'm not I'm not mad at jaw of yoga journal mission. Tickets I'm saying if I got be usually either make me go around because that's the way I thought it was you could go around either we could walk on the street and then show up at industry, or they should have some type of running golf cart some type of situation for this make it easier. I don't care about the walk back at the end. My thing was what we're doing. Now is I have to walk through everybody. So I'm walking through everybody who has to get food. Give vicar the ice cream all of this up now mind, you it was a city in. I mean, a city of Florida bodies out there. So that was fine. But then walking by all these people love who recently hooked up. I was behind at least eight couples is holding hands together. Now, I don't pay, but it's not reshape job being love speed up. 'cause I. To wear to beat and you're messing up my tricks than I'm going all right now on you get you get to all of that just to get to fifth street to go through another checkpoint. Go through another checkpoint NHL your bag again and everything's fine to the got much water bottle, the three miles away in hints a-walking in. It's different. Like all the food is upfront. They have their own on the merch the officials something in the water merge in. That's what I was referring to earlier where it was like, they don't have all this is is a we've come to find out. They're gonna redo their shirts because somebody missed built Missy Elliott. I don't know how you. Yeah. There was like a misspelling on the shirt warmed job our front that had misspell for rails name in said Parnell Williams yet camman yet job as terrible on a winning their immediately. When I went in there. It was just. Cool we've seen I ran into some other rappers of Kramer's in that way Ebrill from I don't know what radio station is hot something ninety one. I dunno whatever it is in new you're wherever you, bro works. I know from beets one in the internet. So he was there. It was a wild moment to watch for rail wrapping in buffeted somebody and being like who is bumping into me and turnaround in his Bruce Smith. Bruce Smith is dancing so close to me. But that was it was fine. He was having a good time. I was in. I was a man who was I go all the Famer in NFL earn it needs from the area. That's right. It is yet. Yeah. Yeah. So I know he was here that was the other thing that was a funny 'cause we Iran to the people that I used to work with in. We're trying to figure out why Bruce Smith didn't have any bands. Hey, not even he doesn't have any any was his out there. He also bore his traditional old black man attire is white shirt linen shorts. And I was like Noah after like, they give that to you. When you become an old black, man. That they handed z like after a certain birthday to give it to. We'll be up. He was really really don't. I mean, are you saying on the backside of water mains, which is one of the bigger more famous restaurants in Virginia Beach on? So you also kind of giving you sit over there. Head shaded areas. They had tables in the shade in also gave access to like some various tent cities in things like that like the backstage area. But we didn't get like we get to go back there because it gives you a different band for that the rising of on VIP's action is incredible. You essentially you're on the same level as the stage, you're higher than the people. You're higher than the people in the VIP that are in the same in higher the general emission. But you look basically diagonally to the stage. It is a big deal because when they use pyrotechnics if you're standing on the age of that platform it gets really hot. So when Travis Scott came out, it was definitely people checking for. Abras that close on. Eight. Yeah. I spend a lotta time really like China get used to that thing because I'm not like I said I'd never been so concert. I've never been to any festival. So it was this big mix staring at the stage. And then watching the giant screen on in Canada's being whenever the production for the concert itself. As far as them showing different things on on on the screens and stuff was incredible. Like, it was I mean, it was topped here. So I was really really light excited about everything that have with all the acts that night were really really good. I remember having a discussion about like Jason beyond say, we're gonna come. Or if they were even at town are is other people get me like they saw that beyond beyond as buzz on. I remember at one point. I went to go get something to eat. And then I see the like the police and security like running with these two really tall lights gay guys. Just like running running down like the way we were running with him. I thought they were escorting them like out in came in with those guys do on. And then let me like ten minutes later, they came back with those thing to do. And I was like what are they doing? And I happen to like look at one of them in. I was like dead. Dude looks familiar I came from like a can't remember where I know him from. It's because you may have seen these two giant lights in dudes in the men in black international commercial because they are less twins, which are the foods dance will be on on as a tall person. So I'm like close to six five those news gotta be at least six eight. In ultimo. Wow. They are just die giant and dancing around. That's while on in. And they also performed I believe at the Sony. Right. Right. Doing they were judges in dance competition which shot to Philly of Zine one all that stuff. So on I think that was really like my night as far as it was own up to that point on. Then. Yeah, it was on parole came out with. And then he he he pretty much like the whole entire show. Just went crazy. Because when for rail came out you brought his friends and his friends consisted of Busta rhymes. Jay Z. Usher was out there. Missy Elliott was out there Timbaland was out there. I mean, it was it was wild to see that happening. It was in the in the order that they came out. So I also forgot how many songs that forever has produced are like saying own or whatever zone. So he did his said then he brought snoop out. Then Charlie Wilson came out. Then those holiday creator than we moved into yet. Thank the NATs way. Jay Z came out. And then it was just like hit at the hit. Did he came out on the thing that I thought was really important. I don't want to skip over is a did he had said that he had been coming here. Maria had been. Virginia Beach coming to Regina doing all kinds of stuff ended at some point that he is like he was aware how they set up the area to be like, we don't really wanna have certain, you know, sought of characters here. We don't wanna have a Vince here because the crime for this particular weekend is out of control, which is some I don't to som- is true to others. It feels like it's fabricated. And so when I felt like he started getting into that like look at this black excellence, let star, you know, acknowledging for rail of what he's doing. There was a little bit of trepidation in the crowd, especially when you're standing VIP because some of the people who are the white folks or it out here for like is conservative like, I'm here to be whatever. So once he started talking at you know, it will black people are dealing with how we all come together as peaceful they try to put this. We are the we are the reason why we can't have stuff here on. That's not true was. A lot of it was it was a little tension out there in the crowd or a, hey, I mean Jonah call legacy infrared did a fair amount of likes, quote, unquote, clean up. Bobby like, well, this is really for everybody in you know, we got to put on for the city, and I respect him for that. I respect them for you know, you gotta you cards ya. You have to do what you gotta do in NS fair arm. But I also didn't want that to be skipped over that. Like that was the narrative, and I I do appreciate by like everybody who's doing the editing where they add he's in. There was somebody saying like this. We can use to be violent or they used to put this on us. Now, we're changing all positive vibes. It really was it really was all positive is all we can. And I think that's important to to call out because just to give the listener some context this festival is being taken place the same week as college beach week and college beach week has historically been sort of seen as a event that has ensued violence in in all of these crazy arrests that were happening. But a lot of it was I think exaggerated by the media. It really wasn't that bad. There were incidents that happened at the beach. But it wasn't like, you know, these terrible like mass shooting or anything like that. But one thing that ferrall did mention in his other tone panel is, you know, he created this event to give college students something to do to give the community something to do. And when a whole bunch of college students are going to the beach, and there's really not a whole lot for them to enjoy. Then there there may be some situations of incidents end. What he did with this festival was create so much activities that you know, you it was impossible to be bored. So it was impossible to get in trouble. Because there was just a lot to do. So I I really appreciate that. You know, he acknowledged that. And I'm glad that you mentioned that did he acknowledge that? Because it, you know, it it creates a narrative that black folks can't create an event without there being violence. And in this case black folks created invent and everything went off without a hitch and everybody was peaceful and calm down. And you know, I'm sure there was a lot of people that was hating on it thinking that it was going to be the other way around. But it wasn't. So I'm glad that it went really really well. You super is super exciting in that way as far as like everybody really getting along. Now as some things got a little dicey. So once rarely in France in everybody was done. It was time to go. How do you move forty three thousand people needs really? So there was a tad bit of like not a tad bit. So when the VIP exit was fine. The there you essentially walk back down about eight th street in the new take left while out in the around the street. Everybody else mind, you're still on third because we've been watching this day has to walk all the way through the sand back to Tim story out in the street on in. So in the is a fair amount of bottle necking in that way. Where it wasn't like, hey, the is done in. We're going to move. You know, we're gonna move certain things when open these gates let people out it was just the single file line of forty blows thousand people trying to like, you know, get in on. So everybody's trying to get out at the same time. It was weird. It was a whole bunch of stuff. I walked all the way back down to just get my water bottle. The didn't find out it's nowhere in sight. So so now hurt in either wait forever to get back in there to figure out where my what about it was just to be like, no, it's gone as I was like, all right? That's a that's a shame go to the place to where trying to think what happens though, the place where they say the shuttle supposed to be. So like James said the shuttles were really good at dropping us off at ten Atlantic on Twitter the hour before the show was over. They said if you wanna take shuttle back into go to thirteenth in a Pacific, which is fine. It's only a few blocks, right? Go back up to go back up to thirteen emphasis there. No shuttles insight. It's it's me in some other people just waiting the shuttle's not coming. We don't know where it is. We didn't see any shuttles. Not even people like shuttles going by what people on on on is over like what happens. So essentially everybody started walking back to the convention center or to their hotels. So you it's thousands of people. As for the people who were getting on the bus to go back to the empathy eater. But like thousands of people in like averaging ultra front end the street walking back to the convention center. Not realistically, let me be real myself at the UCS, right? Nobel other. Feeding rock I don't I can. Yes. So I had waltz in third street basic because they try to say the convention on nineteen. That's not true. The conventions players like on twenty second street or so from Thursday twenty second street Abby standing on your feet for close to like nine hours. You. If is a terrible thing. So with you might is lower back gluts, the Cavs feet soul toes. Everything hurts everyday below my waist hurts of it. We get all the way back to the convention center. The thing about it now is because Friday's the bottle with Uber's by them not having close streets. They wanted the single file line. Like, I said they fixed it so they wanted to any cars inbound coming to the convention center to go specific wing, which was after guy. The thing is the concert is over at twelve thirty everybody hustles back so convention center because Uber they have done something with Uber app to where you essentially if you are in the ocean front, it will only come to the convention center. So it now one something in the morning, then it'll take that back. I make it back to the convention center at one something in the morning 'cause the the conference over around twelve it's while third I'll make it back around one. But because I need to sit down, and I have my track karaoke wristband on I need to go. See, Dr Gary. Okay. So after I've walked these whatever eighteen blocks, or whatever I go inside Dr K O, which is breaks out after mounts Jones, a low key in Austin mills and everybody else who's working Dr Yogi. It was really a good time. There was a lot of bell mouth Jones knows a lot about beyond say. So there's beyond a trivia. There was a lot of couples doing Trumpcare. Okay. And it was really fun. I stayed in there for the last hour of it. And then at the end when it was over think, they let let around one forty on close to two then then I go back outside in hustle for Uber. A the Lubar at just searched over in over. It would just cancel. 'cause there were no loopers out. I've actually tried to get a lift in the lift a I don't know the way they surge, but basically from my house to the convention center is only three of three exits on the interstate away. It would've taken me ninety seven dollars a lift from the convention center to my house ninety dollars is what left was charging on their app. Yeah. Oh, I win. No. Now. I'm not doing that. Now mind you over eagle like that just doesn't cause over Ober was like sixty Sunday. Not get interesting something in the morning, but I don't know where the ninety dollars came from. I didn't even pay that much. I mean, the pay that much in New York, I ain't having tiny ride from my house to the ocean front in my houses further way because I'm near the town center area. It's no more than like, fifteen bucks. We'll get no from my house to the convention center. During the daytime was thirteen dollars bets on the convention center. Back to my house 'cause I live closer Lansdowne of is a it was ninety seven dollars. Now the crew. Chromite? I put it in there. Just to see if he will take it didn't. So I'm thankful didn't around two thirty to forty on the Uber cane or like some guy picked it up. It still took him another forty minutes to just to get to me because there were so many Uber's coming so on at it says, he's two minutes away. But it said that for thirty minutes. He finally got the news account. You feeling I was like I'm paying Dr very fat. I would like you can take me home very soon. Very fast. I gave him a reasonable tip. We we exchanged a pleasantries in. I went in to all kinds of Tylenol nights packs of insult yet. So that's why on Sunday I played it. Very like I stayed in house very late. I showed up the Timberline park is that one of my water bottle back was my first stop. So that's how they became my number one by. Well, date three was a great day because that was where they had a pop-up church. And I attended that as well. That was also another event that was free and open to the public. So again, shutouts the organizers for doing this for the community. I mean, he he definitely you know, talks the talk this was a community festival. So pop-up church was great. I didn't stay long for the bigger acts. They had a Mary Mary there Israel Houghton and Kirk Franklin I stayed for a probably about two to three hours. I think and I saw some praise and worship they had some local groups there from Norfolk state that was performing they also had grace bible church and had their pastor in their worship team come out Bishop Ezekiel Williams who's actually forever uncle came out on stage and delivered a word which was great his word. About Jesus in the well and water, and he related that to something in the water. So that was a pretty cool sermon? But yeah, it was great. We they actually had seating. For the pop up church. I got their relatively early because the pop of church didn't start until ten I got there around ten forty five or see me till twelve didn't start till twelve. And I got there at ten forty five. And there was a long line already when I got there. But when I got inside when they started letting folks in I was able to get a seat knows about probably about eight rose up from the front, so pretty good seating. And what was also pretty remarkable about this was they had buckets and buckets of just ice filled with water bottles with Aquafina water bottles, and they just gave out water bottles to everybody that was attending. There was a man that unfortunately, looked like he had some heat exhaustion. So he had to be taken by the by the. EMT folks to to get him to a place where he can cool off because it was really really hot out there that that Sunday morning. But we also got church fans, which was great. And I think they were giving out beach towels because I saw people walking around with beach towels those like Where'd you guys get those? But I didn't I didn't get a chance to get one. And I think all of that stuff was sponsored by wal mart because wal mart also had like a brunch that was happening that day. So they had some events with WalMart. And they were giving out are I don't know if they were giving this out so don't quote me on this. But they did have food there were grilling like chicken barbecue ribs. And you know, it was like a backyard barbecue at the pop-up church. So it was it was really really nice. I'm I'm glad to have been a part of that. And after I stayed there for a few hours. I was like, okay. I'm gonna go home get myself rested up because it was Sunday and Sunday night is game of thrones night. For me. So nothing can get in the way a game of thrones Seattle. I wanted to make sure it was home prep for that. But it was it was a good time on day three. You you. Chose music over over area. So I mean looking back on it. Now, I think I made the right choice. But you know, I liked it the next day. Let me see. So I caught the I got an Uber from my house all the way down to basically seventeenth three. I told him the poll up Atta temple bar so a little bit. A little bit back monitoring Ave a winning there. I mean, a really cool people met some other creative so people doing YouTube and other podcasters on or people will just starting by gas. Ryan so shout out to them and. Wickham water bottle. Got the free shirt hustled over to temporary on got in everything's fine than around that time. I think a got there. Right. Win drum was maybe like Tucson's from finishing his act of Zola got to watch him. Dan, Jinnai echo was up next. I watch basically all this Sunday eggs. Here's the part that I wanna talk to you. I want to have some image outcome close for this was giving it closely. Parents. It is very it is very important that you share GU music, which children and do not release them out into the world. Not knowing who people are. So with teddy Riley was before me I saw a lot of blank faces and not. And I was like what is wrong with John? A there were several times that Charlie Wilson asked. Do you know who I am in the crowd was kinda silent? Charlie Wilson ain't even like that. Like in terms of how old his music is. He's not even that old of also it's the same thing. I think this is a conversation you and I had about things being on the radio. I think it depends on what station you listen to. It's the as being the next year. So the next time in the water trying to figure out what it is that these new parents or parents teenagers are doing and I think I figured it out yesterday. It might be letting your children have their own listening device of some sort like ads. Mike letting them put music on their phone. So they can walk around with headphones in there's no more Saturday clean up. You're not turning on records. You're not putting on old school Pandora stations in doing nothing, y'all al-qaeda's cleanups. His new rap bullshit. And now, they don't know how to like they're not doing. They're not good kids. Man. Your kids in good, sir. Those are amount here. You know, he's saying all the classic hits. All they're doing. All these teddy Riley's doing all these produce. And I saw a couple blink places in our hurt feelings. I want to get out. I wanna call security on y'all get out of here. And deserve good things. So that was that let me see Chris Brown cane. He brought out a don't I will let me back up. So push came out. He was really good. It was good for the hometown on. He brought out fabulous. That was cool. Now, we later Dan got into you like, I said potato Riley's. The Charlie Wilson's Chris Brown. Bought Al Trey Songz on in an end innocent pack shut down the show whose incredible. I I knew it was really challenged to do. I think seeing it up close on is really good. I think the other thing is too. If you're gonna go watch somebody you've never seen them perform watch and see if they have a NPR tiny desk, I think that is very indicative of like what you're going to get it a lap show. Does I just recently seen his tiny deaths maybe like a month or so ago on privacy him in this even though time this was really good. This was twenty times better on. I heard good things about his performance. Not so good things about Chris. Yes. Well, I think this is also does thing for us because we're older in. That's a reason. So that was one of the reasons why I think I've never been to a concert because I've been to places where records or singers performed, but they let the MP three or their whatever song play, and they just kind of saying over it or do the Ed lives on the Chris Brown reforms. It was what it was. I know it was a for me on it was cool. 'cause I dig it to see like, you know, like I said I saw Bruce Smith in Hebron them kind of Bob into its it wasn't one of those things where it was bad is also I had to realize Chris's influence one in Virginia in his impact for the people in the crowd in like you said for rail. It is his goal was to get something for everybody. Because there's no way you have Chris Brown or Charlie Wilson and Chris round on the same thing. Bill rate on but ideally. You know, it was cool. So is under very body. But that was cool same thing. Now, the only other thing about getting out this time as well. We got out significantly earlier. The other thing is on the staff all of the staff has really good sense of humor in. Nobody was really trying to be like one of those security guards that was tough guys. So he was asking they ended up making us all leave out the same injuries or our same exit this time, which was way worse. The now we don't have the VIP exit to where we're not like bottleneck ain't so now we're all bottlenecked in of his people are going to be happy station are now merged with the people from general emissions in. Then we're all trying to go out this three lane gate for whatever reason on. So that was a little bit tough of security guard was asking people to not push on. He goes if you guys push I will spoil game of thrones for Yup. While in hurt. Somebody screen don't you do. And and at that point we all had a really good day. And so we left in there were shuttles way more shuttles. And then we got back to the committee that at a really good time and everything was pool in we all went home our feet hurt. We were tired people were already owning the shuttle's China. Explain how they're not gonna go to work tomorrow. So that was cool where all helping each other figure out how to we call out on Monday in and that was it. I recommend this thing too. If you guys do not do this go to a festival or a concert. You descending of a really long time. Schedule yourself a pedicure the next day. Some thoughts. Get some aspirin. Yeah. Definitely. Awesome. Will that wraps up our something in the water recap show? Thank you Jay so much for coming on and telling us about your experience, I hope that for those of you that didn't get a chance to attend. You got a little bit of insight of what it was like both behind the scenes, and as an attendee of the festival and very excited that for will be doing this yet again next year in twenty twenty. So hopefully, you know, maybe the both of us will be podcasting live from from salt water just put that out there. But thank you guys for tuning in. And we'll catch you next time fine by.

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Virginia Beach Mass Shooting

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44:17 min | 1 year ago

Virginia Beach Mass Shooting

"Every year over six hundred thousand people enter prison gates in America. Go behind the numbers of mass incarceration. In America, with me van Jones on my new podcast incarceration, Inc. Subscribe now wherever you get your podcast, this, Jimmy Butler, see himself as a belief, the saquon Barkley thing he can be the greatest running back of all time. Well on my new show, take it there with Taylor rooks out. Get all those answers from your favorite athletes. Tune in on the be our app for new episodes every week. Tonight. It is Virginia Beach. We're coming to you with the worst kind of breaking news imaginable. John Berman here, infrared or sin tonight. Our hearts, go out to Virginia Beach Virginia, where police say city employee opened fire in a municipal building and took at least eleven lives before police took his six more people are in the hospital. The city needless to say is in shock. And this is all unfolding moment by moment in the words and images. We all think we are so familiar with until it happens where we live. And it is happening where we live tonight. It is Virginia Beach. This is the most of it stating day in the history of Virginia Beach. The people involved are friends co workers, neighbors colleague. At this point, I would like to turn things over to chiefs Avera to give you the information that we have so far. The mayor as you saw could hardly continue the police chief understandably struggled as well. Right now. We have a lot of questions the wise, they will come later. Right now. We have more questions really than we have answers, a little more than two hours into this event, and we use the word effect. That's a cop term is devastating incident that happened that none of us want to be here talking about this devastating incident, which is going to change the lives of number of families from our city. Local station. W E C managed to speak with a witness, her name is Megan Banton. She works inside the building. Just read just heard that there was an active shooter in just barricaded ourselves in offices to make sure that we were all safe. And I called nine one one just to get them to become there as fast as possible. What do you take me to what was going on? Right. At the point when you realize something was terribly. Well. When my boss, basically, it was like this is not a Joe get down. Call nine one one. And that's when we just I call nine one one, and we all just rain in her office in close it. Or did you see anybody actually get injured? I didn't physically see anybody get injured so which department were you in. Public utilities. Did you hear anything from anyone about who suspect might be in no, no? Just tell us about the reaction. I mean everyone getting down running around not knowing what's happening. I mean, this is something you. I mean, no matter how much training you go through. It's something you can't prepare. You just tell us about that. Basically just we just wanted to try to keep everybody safe as much as we could. And, and just trying to stay on the phone with nine one one just because we wanted to make sure they were coming. They couldn't come fast enough and just making sure that they were how long did that nine thousand one Wakefield light. Hours hours. Yeah. And you said those shots were very clear from where you were on the second floor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The office that we were in probably had about twenty people. Just Eric eight barricaded. Yeah. Were you literally just I'm assuming hugging one another holding one another? And we had the desk, barricaded against the door. And what were you hearing? So the desk is barricaded against Louis hearing outside hearing. We, we heard gunshots kept hearing gunshots. And we kept hearing the cop San down, and it was very muffled, but the stairwell was right next to the office. So we, we kept hearing, like people talking. And, and we heard the canines come up the steps. Did you hear the suspect saying anything we couldn't? We couldn't hear him saying anything or her sing with a with a gunshots. Tell me about the rapid fire gunshots. Mike. What are we dealing? I don't know. I mostly autzen, lots I, I don't know honestly. Yeah. You've mentioned, it was muffled. You know, you did say that you try to you, try to do everything you can I ask you. You know what do you want people at home to know? People are praying for you people are making sure you've got. Okay. What do you really want them to know about today and what happened in there? Just do all that. You can turn it make sure everybody's safe. That's all we were trying to do is just make sure everybody was safe. Can you talk about how close knit public works is? I mean that's like a family in there. Right. Talk to us about how this is more than the co workers. Right. This, this is like a home to your here every day with these people. I mean that has to hit home. Yeah, we were trying to text everybody because like said like we knew everybody, but we didn't know everybody was at that time. So we were just trying to find out like, you know, our friend who are safe if the people that we knew were in the office, where safe described to me, how you would describe this type of evil. I don't know why anyone would do something like that. There's I don't I don't know what would possess somebody to just come in and just start shooting at people. You have seen that you have seen this around the country. So it's come half all across the country. And now it's come. It's, it's, it's just it's just surreal. And like I said before you see this on the news all the time. And you just, you know, you pray for the people and you just hope that they're ok, but you'd never think it's going to happen to you. But when it happens to you, it's just a totally different experience. And you just you think about your family. You think about like everybody that, you know, just pray to they're safe. Meghan banton. But what do you do in the A? N T O. And what do you do next after a day like this? You go home and just hug, your family talk about how you, you go about the rest of your day knowing what just occurred, I'll probably have a lot of Trump was sleeping at night. But yeah, just going home hugging, my family. I've eleven boat baby at home at all I could think about was him and try to make it home to him. She will get home tonight, but eleven others will not as we said the story is evolving. The crime scene is active in the numbers, sadly, could change right now, let's get more of what we do. And don't know from CNN Shimon prohibition Mon. What more you learning at this hour? Right. So what we've learned is that this was a disgruntled employee there, who was Cording to the police and local authorities that he was still employed, there inside that building. And essentially, that's all we know about the shooter at this point, we don't have any formation on the victims, obviously, that is something police are still working, they're working to identify the victims. But the thing here is the way the police described the way this shooting unfolded. They say that it happened on multiple floors. Police recalled. They've responded fairly quickly and they were able to intercept they interceded they were able to stop the suspect. They say there was a shootout, and they injured him. They killed him. A police officer was shot he was saved by his bullet-proof vests. The police say that officer is recovering and anything we're going to hear a lot of stories, as we've heard from the witnesses and from the police as we go forward, some of the heroic efforts to try and prevent more people from being injured more people from being killed because when you listen to the police describe this, the police chief there and how he said that the shooter went from Florida floor. He knew where he was going. He was shooting people. Indiscriminately just firing opening opening fire on people inside that building. So the police response here is going to be a key part of this, in that it prevented more people from ultimately getting injured. And now we have just a major crime scene here bodies still on the scene victims being identified in the FBI the ATF the Virginia state police all their on scene working through the building processing the crime scene. And now we will learn more stories more heroic stories and the Vic. And we will start to learn more about them, and who they are, and just deeply how affected deeply this community is going to be by this shooting. John instrument. We are expecting another news conference from officials tonight. We will bring that to you all live as soon as it happens because these details are just coming in. We do know what happened next door to city hall, and the operations area of the municipal center, what more do we know about that? Yeah. That's what the police said the police described this as the operations building of the city, the public works area. So it's probably some of the utility workers, some of the road workers, some of the other folks, who really keep the city running, perhaps in these were the victims. These are the people that were inside this building. There was a school administration building next door as well. They were placed on lock down. There was a courthouse nearby as well attached to this building. So it's really the nerve center it sounds like of the city of Virginia Beach where the shooting took place. There. You know, when you look at what time this happened has happened just after four o'clock was towards the end of the day. So people in, perhaps, we're getting ready to leave. But it sounded like there were a lot of people in the building at the time of the shooting. And really, you have to see and wait. We'll learn I guess, from the police about their response, and what they had to deal with, when they found the shooter finally after he went Florida floor shooting. But right now, you know, essentially all we know is that this was on multiple floors lots of victims. And now we wait to learn more, right? Shimon peres. Thank you very much standby, because CNN's Ryan nobles is now with us will. They understand some new information on the killer, Ryan is now joining us by phone, what have you learned John? I've been with Virginia Kern officials across or for our associates shooting. I can't down and much as what we've seen from the press conference took place. There's really a state of shock and appeared Virginia Beach. Is the law enforcement agency. That's kind of spearheading this effort as Shimon reported, we the most extensive information we've earned on the shooter right now is that he is a disgruntled employee. We don't know exactly what led to him becoming disgruntled. But is someone that worked in that municipal building in some way, shape or form? And John, you know, I think it's Ordina point out that, you know, while it changes every state has come in contact with some form of mass shooting in one way or another. The state of Virginia is, is really still adult by what happened at Virginia attacked back in two thousand seven and many of these same leaders that I've been reaching out tonight, a lot of these shows that are connected to various levels of government were there during that shoot back in two thousand and it feels in many ways that living bad tried to be all over again when you see something that happens on government grounds, the shooting epportunity took place on government Browns. When you see the level of violence in the number of people that have lost their lives by. It is like a nightmare. They're living once again. So I think at this point John, there's just a, a level I e exactly understand what the process was here. And of course, there is still a number of victims that are being treated at area hospitals. They don't know the full extent of just how far this tragedy will go. But, you know, just from my conversations today with a lot of people on different levels. They are very rattled. And they're still trying to figure out exactly what happen here tonight at least six people injured. We understand Ryan, and we're waiting to get an update on how they're doing Ryan. Thank you so much for that Virginia Tech Ryan brought up Roanoke, Virginia. There was televised shooting. Of course, the shooting of the DC navy yard, very close by so yes, this area has seen more than it share of tragedy. Joining us now forensic psychologist, Kris Mohanty retired New York City police, Lieutenant Darren porter CNN national security analyst Juliette Cayenne. She's former assistant secretary at the department of homeland security and on the phones with its phone with us as James Galiana retired. FBI supervise. Serie special agent, and a CNN law enforcement analyst if I can't Juliette. I just want to start with you on the biggest of big pictures here because you hear people say, we're numb to this, when we can't be numb to this, you hear people say, there's a lot, we don't know, but there's also a lot. We do know namely that eleven people will not go home to their families tonight. That's exactly right. Are uniquely? American phenomenon has occurred again, so just to put some sort of overlay of what we're looking at right now. The there's two aspects to this one is motive and one is means and motive, of course, is about the fact that this person had been an employee. What happened was a triggering event was he about to get fired? That's important. But the other is, of course means and to not discuss means, how do people die? How do that many people die that quickly in such a short period of time to not discuss means is actually the political choice. I'm not politicizing this did how did the person have access to the building? Well, they weren't employees. So they got into the building probably with a card or a swipe. So we can't talk about making buildings more secure. And then how did that many people die in such a short period of time that gets to the weaponry, we're trying to we don't know yet? What kind of gun was utilized was was it a handgun was it something more powerful? But it's important that we have a discussion at the beginning about both because once again, we are sitting here trying to figure out a motive what could have happened. I don't mean to minimize it, but we also have to discuss means because if we don't discuss means we're gonna we're gonna be here next Friday just wanted to get that at Juliette, thank you so much Darren your here with me as you were looking at this. Give me a sense of what's happening now. They have the identity of the shooter who is deceased. He was killed in a shootout with police. So are they searching through his house, his belongings? His contacts. Give me a sense of what's going on one of the first things that's going to happen is, there's going to be a pure Cessna that's done with the interpersonal conflicts that this individual had with other people in a workplace we have to take in consideration. This is a case of workplace violence, one of the first things if we look at all municipalities, they protect they practice these active shooter protocols. So this individual was very astute to what the active shooter protocol was therefore. He knew how to make the exits the entrances and exits accordingly. So when we look at eleven people, I was shot and we look at the time of day, four o'clock. This appears to be a target rich environment that the shooter would have known by being employees at this particular location. And so, when we take in consideration, how to police respond in these particular instances years ago, we had officers that awaited disposal operations troops that come in, but the seismic shift has now out now come into place. Whereas there, I officer on the scene has been trained to directly introduced the threat on hand until we're able to switch them out with additional officers with the resources accordingly. So when we take in consideration the investigation moving forward, of course, we're going to do the traditional things we're gonna get up on his phone. We're gonna look at his digital footprint. We're going to go back to his home. What primarily that peer assessment is going to be the telltale sign as what happened or I stand by for a moment. I wanna go back. Shimon propecia Mona I understand. We have some information. About the weapon, this is one of the big outstanding questions what have you learned? Right. And what we're hearing from law enforcement officials is that the suspect shooter here at the scene. Police found a semi automatic pistol and a rifle at the scene that they believe was used in this shooting. So there's two weapons that were found by the suspect on the on the scene by police after they shot him. They believe we're told that these firearms at least on their preliminarily on their checks that law enforcement would do in this case that they were purchased legally that the weapons were purchased legally, obviously a little fact here, the police are working on. So they know the weapons they have identified him, they know who the shooter was so you can assume that they're working through that probably at his home at this hour. Doing search warrants waiting on search warrants. But two key pieces of information here, obviously, is that they have the weapons. They know what the weapons were the semi automatic pistol, and arrive. For which they have recovered at the scene. Johnny details. About the rifle. Law enforcement is sort of being vague with us as you could imagine at this point as they work through this investigation. So just describing it to us as a rifle, and as a semiautomatic pistol. All right. Shimon get back on the phone. We'll come back to you. As soon as you get more information, James Galleano, this new piece of information to weapons, including a semi automatic pistol, and a rifle we don't know the details on the rifle. Take that in combination. With the fact, we know this was a public utilities employees, someone who worked there. So he could get in and out of the building, presumably with just a pass. What does that tell you? Right. And John as we know it to build up with Ryan was saying earlier, this is beach. It's a big military community area. It's got a very low violent crime rate down there in for this to happen. In a lightly protected building municipal building where they, it's not expected to be something that you would need to harden defense around. Yes. It's a difficult situation. I think they're in mentioned it. A lot of people were there. The shooter obviously knew the floor plan there, because that's what makes it so people in this instance, because he's not just walking in off the street and unfamiliar with where the exits are aware that the majority of the folks were, I think the police handled this in an excellent fashion with what we know so far I off and to build out on what their and said, law enforcement has to go to the sound of the guns, these days, you cannot do a contain and negotiate and expect a barricaded subject as we did for decades and decades and decades, reminiscent of nineteen seventy five in dog day afternoon. Police officers nowadays have to be Olympic athletes. They've got to be able to get there as quickly as possible, because active shooters, usually, usually within five or seven minutes, it's the situation is resolved in one means by one method or another. And they've also got to be mental health professionals to understand the people that they're dealing with. And when you show up on a scene, and being a former FBI swatting lead. I did this numerous. You're trying to process all of this, John in an information vacuum because you don't know what the motive is at the time you don't know what weapons are being used. And you do not know if there were other accomplices, and John, I think that's an important thing police are certainly going to try to fair that out to find out this individual acted alone. For had anybody aiding and abetting him. We do know that there was a police officer who was wounded, we were told his life most likely saved by the vest, that he was wearing an all indications are at these early moments that the police absolutely saved lives. But even then eleven people have been killed James everyone stick around. We're getting much more information as this continues. Also, we're going to speak with the vice mayor of Virginia Beach. That's next. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses, our friends at Zanny optical offer a huge variety of high quality stylish frames and state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five you can get multiple frames with this great pricing for less than one pair. Elsewhere start building your eyewear wardrobe from the comfort of your own home at Zanny dot com. With the latest trends in eyewear available in hundreds of frame, styles and materials, there isn't a better way to change it up for every season. Plus, Xeni offers prescription sunglasses that incredible prices visit any today, eggs, any dot com slash ready that Z E N N. I dot com slash ready. The breaking news. Eleven people killed in Virginia Beach, Virginia building, two of the municipal center in that city is now a crime scene just hours ago. It was hell on earth. One gunman opened fire on several floors. We now learn the two weapons found on the scene, a rifle and a handgun we learned that from Archambault Propaz. They were lawfully purchased joining us now is James. Would he is the vice mayor of Virginia Beach, sir? Thank you so much for being with us again. Our heart goes out to you and your city. How are you all doing it? I have to tell you, it's, it's without a doubt. The most horrific thing that our cities, experienced. It is truly horrific. I heard the mayor say it is the worst night, that Virginia Beach has ever seen sadly, it's the type of night, many other cities have seen as well. We're getting some information from the scene. The guns the shooter a disgruntled employee. I'd love. To learn more about the victims, they are the ones that our hearts tonight. I know we don't have the identities released yet. But who worked in municipal building number two? What offices were held their folks? This is where the public would go on a routine basis. This is where he'd go get a building permit. This is where you go pay. You order Bill or or sign up for a new order order Bill order meter. This is where planning is. This is where public works is, you know, all the administrative staff, obviously for Jimmy beaches, it, it's, it's a very large cities Warner fifty thousand people in the city and it, it's so so bit that municipal center is where the administrative staff is. And in this case, this is called the operations building. And, you know, the, the people that, that were there are. The victims are people. We've worked with people, we know there are friends and get it is just truly truly horrible. They're the people who make the city run. And they are in for that. So again, I, I am so deeply sorry. How many floors is this building, because one of the things we have learned is that the shooter carried out the killings on multiple floors. It's a three story building. And it's. So it's, it's a free story building a three story building. So this man walked throughout the entire building, firing these weapons that he had. It's just horrific to think about that. Do you have a sense of how long this played out? Well, we know that it, it started right around four o'clock. But but we also know that it did not last. That long. I mean obviously long enough to, to cause this, this devastation. But, but I, I couldn't tell you the exact time that will come when all the when all the investigations are completed as right and they are underway as we speak. And again, we're, we're looking at some video right now, film of some people who are being taken helicopter medevac out to the hospitals. At least six people injured for waiting to get a sense of how they're doing at this hour. I do you understand it was. Go ahead. I, I would tell you that. You know, the with incidents like this, you know, the, the, eleven the number eleven could could change. And, and I think that's important. I mean when, when people are taking in a in a medevac helicopter. That's, that's a serious thing. You know right now. It's all part of the, the investigation were determining the, the various hospitals that, that victims were taken to so we can identify victims and check on their conditions, and that's where things, so it's still ongoing. You know, another hour or so, before we have another another briefing update, but it's, it's, it's, it's a really horrible thing. And it is an as you said, we are hoping for the best, but we often do know that these numbers do change as of the first news conference, which was about an hour or so ago. And there didn't appear to be any other indication that this killer had any help or active with anyone else. Is that your understanding? Right right now. I believe that that's, that's the consensus. But, you know, they're, they're, they're still working through that. I don't know if you know, police officer was shot during during exchange with, with the gunman. Fortunately, he, he was his ballistic vest, saved his life, which is which is very good. And he was able to, to engage engage the gunman, and now a almost definitely save lives here. Police have learned so much about how to respond to this over the last few years again, it's sad that they had that kind of experience, but indeed, they have had it, you have a sense of how quick the police response was place response was very quick. The one one of the police precincts is, is bright near there and as police headquarters, so so they're officers there sheriff's office maintains the jail and court security, and that sort of thing they were right down the street. So, so the Jimmy long. Enforcement community mmediately entered the building and to took the standard active shooter protocols as as they as they went through and make clear the building and rendered aid where they could and and ultimately engaged in matchup. Suspect what is the the security at that building? I you know, I understand he was an employee there. So he almost definitely had a pass to get through. But are there metal detectors type of thing where people are screened going in? No in Virginia. You, you can bring weapons of the public buildings. Well, okay. We understand other than courts and other courts and schools in any public building. You can you can bring a weapon into as mayor fact you can go up to one of the, the front door of a police station. That'd be a sign on the door saying, you know, we please, please leave leave your weapon in the car. However, if you don't please notify us. So I mean, it's it it's, it's permissible here to, to do them, public buildings, and we have learned that shooter had to weapons, the semi automatic pistol, and a rifle James Wood vice mayor of Virginia Beach again. Now, we do know that these were your friends. These were people you worked with every day. We are so sorry for your loss, we wish you the best. Your city is going to need you over the next few days. Please let us know if there's anything we can do to help. Well, thank you very much, James would. All right. We're getting new information from the scene developing. We'll get more when we come back. Remember to create an ad like this one, visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. So we continue our breaking news coverage of the mass shooting in Virginia Beach, Virginia, a moment ago, you heard the vice mayor there, talk about the rapid response to the shooting. We just received the emergency radio traffic as it all happened. Listen. President awhile layer shooter isolated that. Sure our side was the last known location, where when shooting through the words, though. Three hundred something. Got to be. A room or in the stairwell. We have anybody can start for any casually suicide door. We have citizens bringing one casually out suicide gore now instead of from the third floor evacuate a non ambulatory casualty. Which were. Out of the building is the guys coming out. You're with heart. Facing south air. We have the suspects behind the barricaded door sales the radio. We key card action right now to the second story. North into the building. I have one to co workers in capacity. Ninety five I'm coming from the south side against cards. Stairwell with hopeful alive. We had him on the other side, five four. He's on the ground all the air. Chilling Virginia Beach is just the latest city in the state to make national headlines because of gun violence, thirty two people, of course, were killed at the Virginia Tech campus and blacks for one of the worst mass shootings and US history. There was the shooting that claimed the life of two journalists in Roanoke who were killed on live TV by disgruntled, former employees. Joining me now is Andy Parker his daughter, Alison was one of those journalists Parker has spent his life since then pushing for gun control. He's also the author of a new book for Alison about a father's fight for gun safety. Andy, thank you so much for joining us. It's never a good sign. And when we speak to you because it means something awful has happened. So thank you for joining us. There's still a lot. We're learning about this shooting. But when you first hear about another mass shooting in Virginia. What goes through your mind? John, is, you know, it's a kick in the gut. I mean it's just it's gut wrenching. It is. It's awful in it's too familiar, you know, a disgruntled employee, it's just sort of brings it all back for me in its. It's, it's terrible. Well, we're sorry for the families were equally sorry for you that you have to relive this, you said on the day that Allison was killed that this can't just turn into an issue or people shrug their shoulders because it's become too common. How do you fight that? Well, I think the simplest way to do it, and I said it in my book, you know, we're not going to solve all of the gun violence issue in this country. And you know, we're not gonna prevent it all. It's like wearing a seat belt. You know, if you change the laws, and you enact commonsense gun legislation and you. You know you enact red flag laws that, that, you know, could have saved balances live. I don't know what the circumstances are here. But, you know, if you have someone that, that is clearly a danger to themselves or others. Then you should be able to remove their guns. And, you know, the there are a lot of people unfortunately, there are a lot of politicians on the other side as in the Republican party that are the party in the inner in the RA unfortunately, and, you know, this again, the simplest solution is, if you can't change their minds, then you change their seats. And that's what we're going to have to do in this country. We don't again, as you pointed out. We don't know the circumstances here. We're told a disgruntled employee, one of the open questions isn't were, there, warning signs did people know that something was going on with this person beforehand or wore signs missed? I do want to ask you again. You've been through this before, and you will go through this for the rest of your life. I mean, I know this. Something you will never stop having to deal with. What advice can you give for the families of the victims tonight? You know, everybody grieves in their own way. And I would just hope that the families, unfortunately, these are people that have joined the club that no one wants to join and my heart goes out to them. And I. I mean it's, it's, it's devastating for them, you know. And every time I see this. I relive it, but I would hope that they would fight like I am joined the fight to create some kind of sensible. Meaning and legislation that, that we all need to have in this country, you know, we, we need to have we, we need to be safe in this country. And we're not anymore. So, I hope that after they grieve and after they get through this, that they get mad, and they get pissed off, like I am and they join this fight anti Parker as I said. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for the outreach that you do due to the victims of the families victims. It is, is, as you said, it's a club that no one wants to be in, but you offer much needed assistance. So thank you, Andy. Thank you. All right. We, we do want to warn you. We have a photo here. We're going to show you. That is very tough to see. But it's important to see when we come back, we're going to speak with a person who bore witness and took this photo. Stay with us. The cases we gotta find who wrote this. No, we do that. We find the killer this science defined out. Police used Luminol a chemical, which glows when it comes into contact with the iron component in blood that drama. But where was the rifle and which man was telling the truth forensic files, the legendary true crime show is now a podcast join investigators. They take on the toughest cases with cutting edge scientific tools. Subscribe now with apple podcasts with new episodes, every Monday and Thursday, you'll never miss out on getting your forensic fix. The moments of what happened in Virginia Beach should have already been seared into the memories of those who lived through them, and we'll relive them for the rest of their lives. And now some of what they saw we are now seeing joining us by phone is Alissa Andrews. She took this photo Elissa. Thank you so much for being with us. Can you describe the scene around you? When you took this photo. Do you know anything about the man in it? I don't I don't. The police were just running back and forth with machine guns in their hands, and I was actually in the car with my grandson. But when I first noticed, you know, they had blocked the road off, so I couldn't go anywhere. I was parked on the side of the road. And then I just saw a police officer run in front of my car was gentleman that had just gotten shot on. And I told him I was in Iran. I said, can I help you and they, I guess brought him over. He said, no stay in your car. And so they took them away. And I pray that he's those, hey, I think we all share that with you. I can't tell from the photo, you just said he had been shot. So this is his blood. Presumably, we're seeing on him. Did you see? I believe. So that's, that's what I heard anyhow, and I when I don't know, the please came by my car after he had left and said get out get out now and I was in with my one year old grandson, and we got out of the car, and they took us in another building, where they locked down. And they had said he had gotten shot. So just to be clear, your daughter, who you're waiting for she's okay? She is. Okay. And your one year old grandson was with you. Must've been terror must have been terrifying for him to see. Okay. He is okay. He is as this was happening. What was going through your head? I just I couldn't believe it was happening. I was so frayed because they were circling the building. I was my car. He could probably see in some of the photos of the GMC that was right on the corner there. So we were there and they slot was parked by building one and running, you know, by our car and circling building to where everything happened. And I just I didn't know what to do. I didn't wanna leave the car. In case somebody was shooting out, you know, on the street and I had my grandson in the car. So it was just terrifying. Unbelievable. Liz Andrews, again, we're glad you're ok your daughter, and your grandson. Thank you for being with us. Thank you for sharing these images again tough to see but important to see joining me now is the mayor of Virginia Beach, Bobby Dyer Mr Mayor, thank you so much for being with us. We saw you. Deliver the awful news. You call this the worst day Virginia Beach has ever seen. What's it like for you tonight? Sir, Terry would it's a you know, it's a. It's not a good feeling. And, you know, these the folks that were involved in this incident were, like I said, our friends, co workers neighbors. They worked in played with us, and they were very vital components of the people that live in our great city, Virginia Beach. We last her new as we said, a short time ago, there were eleven people dead six people injured or any update on that mayor. Yeah it was right now. You know was, you know, we're, we're that's the thing we're still trying to figure out as obviously a lot of chaos and confusion. Now, you know, right now, we're focusing on the families, and the friends of this, tragic this tragedy. And, you know, we got can't we're getting counselors and chaplains and, and it's an overwhelming outpouring from the community to wanna help somehow and, you know, this is what makes Virginia Beach such a great city. It's the people what do you want? Now, what do you want people to know about how they can help tonight? Well, you know, right now, you know, it's it, you know, we're still in a very early softish shock stage. But, you know, going forward, you know, when we come we're going to have to, you know, reach out to the families, and, you know, reach out to each other, and, you know, these tragedies you know, should not happen, but they do. And, you know, I think Virginia Beach is gonna prove that we are resilient and caring community. And you know, we're going to be there for those who were tragically affected. All right. Mayor, Bobby Dyer we know there'll be another update I in just a few minutes. We'll let you get back to work again. Our hearts, go out to you and your community. Let us know if there's anything we can do. Oh, and thank you so much. You know, thank you so much. You just heard the mayor say as of now the death count is still eleven still six people injured but we're expecting update very shortly much. More from Virginia Beach coming up. The right sheets. Can take your sleep and your style to the next level with bollandbranch? The upgrade has never been more Ford -able. Every set is crafted from one hundred percents organic cotton. They get softer and softer over time. That's why they have thousands of five star reviews and even three US presidents have Boll and branch sheets. Try them for thirty nights. And if you don't love them, send them back for a full refund. Go to bollandbranch dot com today for fifty dollars off your first set of sheets, plus free shipping with promo code CNN to spelled B O L L, andbranch dot com. That's bollandbranch dot com, promo code CNN, too. Well expecting update very shortly from Virginia Beach, where where the shooting took place, several hours ago that took at least eleven lives. Joining me now is James Baker, former FBI general counsel, Jim. Thank you, very much for being with us. It's nine o'clock at night, just about gimme a sense of what the investigative priorities are right now. So the main investigative priority is to make sure that people are safe. In other words that there are no other people who were connected to or involved in the violent events that took place, sadly today. And so investigators are trying to run down every single possible lead with respective whether anybody else might have been involved, one of the things that are going to do is to go to any locations that were owned rented a by the by the shooter. So, for example, a house and apartment, short storage shed car things like that, one of the most dangerous things is that people like this sometimes we'll booby locations like that. So the investigators have to proceed very. Cautiously. But what their main priority is, is to protect people, and make sure that there's no remaining immediate threat to anyone in the community or anywhere else, and bring whatever people who might be involved to Justice. I'm not saying they're wire it's probably a low probability, but that's the safety of the community is what they're worried about most, and I know very quickly, you also look at this in have concerns about the waves of people who are affected. Absolutely. I mean starting with, you know, the, the victims who were killed, obviously, and then the, the victims, who were wounded the other victims, who were not physically wounded. But who were there, whose lives are risk, and who are therefore victims and then you have all of their families, they're all going to be traumatized by this? I think people sometimes don't focus also on the impact of this has on, especially the first up, first responders law enforcement emergency services that type of thing and the and then their families as well. This has a rippling effect throughout the community. The good news is that there are an amazing amount. Of highly trained, highly professional law enforcement and emergency services professionals who are trained, and unfortunately to deal with these kind of situations, who are gonna come to the assistance of the community. It's, it's quite impressive to watch and it's very all inspiring. But and unfortunately they know how to do this very well James Baker again. Thank you very much for your expertise to this. We really appreciate it. We'll be right back. Beaches, a stop, what's the way Champions League final on TNT stream on the online? Anthony June fest, three PM eastern. Patricia. We are waiting for a police news conference on the Virginia Beach shooting eleven people dead that we know of I'm going to hand it over to Chris with Cuomo primetime. The manhunt for the Golden State killer is over, and there's a suspect in custody. How did law enforcement finally idea him after searching for over forty years, who exactly is the suspect that Joseph, James Angelo. How did he fly under the radar for decades? And what are some of the victims and their families saying about the arrest? I'm Biagio Messina. And I'm joke Vinci's and those are some of the questions, we explore an all new episodes of unmasking killer. Subscribe now at apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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How To Get Connected To Your Dream Job From Afar

The Ken Coleman Show

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How To Get Connected To Your Dream Job From Afar

"Thanks for listening to the podcast of the Ken Coleman Show you can catch the show live every weekday from twelve to one eastern on Youtube and one to two eastern on Sirius. Xm Andrew Local radio station. If you'd like to ask me a question, you can talk to me live any weekday from twelve to two eastern by calling eight, four, four, seven, four, seven, two, five, seven, seven. Setting the pace on the pursuit of happiness. This is the Ken Coleman show where you discover what you were born to do and how to make it happen. Now helping you get unstuck on the to your dream job. Ken Coleman. I'm coming to you live from Ramsey studios in Nashville, and you're joining the conversation about who you are, what you were created to do where you want to do it and how you can get there. So excited to have you with us after all, you should be excited as well. This topic is all about you your purpose. Now, I can help you from A. Very high level until you that your purpose is. To contribute to the rest of the world to contribute your talent. Through the work, you love to produce a mission that makes a difference in the life of someone else. So it's not about you. It's about others. So. Let's help. You figure that out eight, four, four, seven, four, seven, two, five, seven, seven is the phone number eight, four, four, seven, four, seven, two, five, seven, seven. We're GONNA. Look at. The stage that you're what stage are you in? Are you in the first stage just trying to get clear on what it is that you were created to do or are you needing? To get qualified that stage to do you need to just get connected that as three, some of you need to get started at stage for. Some of you are in stage, five. In the process of getting promoted and moving up the ladder, some of you are close to stage six stepping into the dream job where you are in stage seven. For the rest of your life, and that is giving yourself away speaking of the dream job. One of the ways that we celebrate it here on the Ken Coleman Show is those view that have stepped in the dream job you call and share your story. And then at the end, you do a dream scream and I'm so excited that we're GONNA start it off with Heidi in Virginia Beach Virginia where we're live on W. H. Thirteen Ten am that's where I went to high school in. Virginia. Beach. Joe. My old stomping grounds Heidi you're on the Ken Coleman show. Hello Hi. How are you Heidi? My Gosh. I'm so excited if you'd told me, I was getting to a year ago I would have cried. Cry Oh my gosh. I love the cries for good reasons. You know those are the best because you're like. Ugly cried but it's so worth it. It's really kind of fun. Isn't it? It is I. Love It. So let's start with where were you previously, what were you doing were you said that this has gotta change I can't keep doing this every Monday morning. Well my journey has not been a straight line I graduated from college with a degree and News Aditorial, which was newspaper publishing at this point like having a degree and blacksmith or something. Lewd. Yes and I married my amazing husband and he is A. A navy officer, and so we then spent twenty four years moving around the country eleven different times we've changed state so I just take the best job I could find that used the skills that I had, but I love which were writing and research organizing information and teaching other people. And I especially loved science. So I took a lot of different jobs, all kinds of things all over the map everything's from working for churches to my vision that I had last summer, which was working in commercial real estate office and it was they've had a lot of changes over my time there and it was never I had never woken up once in my life and said I want to sell real estate today. So that dawned on me last summer and I was I was miserable the job it was a very high stress I stomach aches. I I I was drinking Pepsi Abysmal in the way to work on Monday morning. So it was it was not fun. It was not fun and so that point I started looking for another position and the first place that I apply. Well, the I I got a really amazing interview for a job I was really interested in and they kept going through different rounds of interviews. And you did around wine and then round two, they'd want you to fill out a whole bunch of items and round three. I had to do a very substantial presentation and a tremendous amount of time and in the end of it all not only just not get the physician they ghosted me. They didn't even tell me I didn't get the. So, that was this time last year. And I just thought goodness. So picked up the proximity principle and read it got into it right very carefully and thought you know I need to work smarter not harder at finding a job I really really do. So we had fortunately been stationed in place for quite a while and I built a really large network through my church through other sports, parents, moms plays competitive level sports. and so I started using those connections and so when I would be a job. Opening. That was interesting rather than just applying for it or in addition to applying for it I would ask around and find out who. I knew who knew about the culture and I wouldn't ask about the job necessarily but I would ask what do you know about the culture of the company I'm interested in applying for the position. And through that process, not only did I find out more about the company's. But in one case, I found out about a job that was open they and they interviewed me for that position one that had never been advertised. And the same week Oh and the other thing I did was I had gave my resume as to these various connections and had them while he was applying through the traditional route. I would have them essentially send the resumes through their contacts, decide doors and say, Hey, you might want to consider person. Their. Finally, I got my current position, which is I work as a web content specialist for an institution of higher learning? and I love it and I get to work with science every day and technology every day and I get from right. So what is it feel like I want to now you gave us the story. Okay and I know how you felt before to the point that you're chugging Pepo Biz? Mwale? So what's it like on Monday morning and then what's it like during the day every day Oh. My Gosh it's so different. Different. You have a sense of purpose that I hadn't had with many under positions Particularly during Cova. Because I'm working with a lot of medical research, I feel like I'm helping and my tiny little small way on the web you're hoping you're helping and you know and I It's so different. So different, what would you say? Oh yeah, your heart's full in even when you when you're tired you, there's real. There's real significance as what you're experiencing now, not just that you enjoy it but that you see a result that matters deeply to you and that's what's so great about it. So what would you say we only got about a minute I want to give you time to do your scream. So in thirty seconds or less own, would you say to somebody right now who's going I don't know if I could ever get there. You can you totally can. and and you can take other people with here. You can help other. Well Yeah. Yeah or you work the proximity principle and you did it right. She is Heidi from Virginia Beach just a year ago chugging PEPCO Biz Malt today she is in the dream job count it down from three and I wanNA hear Heidi your dream scream. Three, two one. see. How It feels good. Oh my goodness and let me tell you about Heidi's not doing on this. Friday. She's not counting down the hours to drink her face off in happy hour. If she's going to happy hour, she's legitimately happy. Folks. You work way to hard way too long to be dead in John that means nothing to you. Come on join the conversation don't move more Ken Coleman show coming right off. Hey folks is Ken Coleman I love my burst sonic toothbrush studies show that smiling improves your physical and emotional health and makes you more likable. The soft charcoal bristles powerfully remove plaque and we'll make your teeth whiter your smile brighter and your impressions better and bursts smart and affordable replacement. Head subscription is just six dollars every ninety days visit burst oral care dot com, and use the code. Ken To grab a burst brush I. Lo- is forty, nine, ninety, nine, that's burst or or care dot com. Ball. It's always fun to start off the show with a dream scream and if you're just joining us, you missed Heidi's dream scream from Virginia Beach Virginia I mean that's what it's all about when you step into that dream role and you call in and share your story so many people get inspired by our stories. When you share your story, you can't imagine how much that fires people upstairs couple of ways to do that and we really want your stories. The one way is, of course, the dream screen which Heidi just did, and so here's a qualify you for that. You've actually taken steps. Out of something you didn't love into your dream job. Or certainly your dream job for now, and of course, you can keep growing and building on that dream. and. So if that's you and you want to share your story, we WanNa Brag on you. We want to interview you on the show. It's a simple phone call, and then at the end you count down from three and you scream your version of screaming I'm living the dream. So send us an email ask at Ken Coleman Dot Com. Ask at Ken Coleman Dot Com. And put in the title of the of the subject line. Dream scream and Madison with you. In such you up the other way to share your story is if you're not. Anywhere close to the dream. It's okay but you're just making some progress could be the smallest of. Progress but we want to hear it if it if it's a significant step that use it, you know what I made some progress here a move in the right direction and That's a real change for me. Then just emails or you can reach out to me on Instagram at Ken. Coleman. And share it. Hey, can I get some momentum? And we will read those. We try to get to two or three those every Monday on our youtube show, and of course, the radio SIRIUSXM show as well. So that's how you do that. Ask it can call dot com or reach out to me. Follow me on Instagram at Ken Coleman and we'll make it part of our momentum Monday eight, four, four, seven, four, seven, two, five, seven, seven, eight, four, four, seven, four, seven, two, five, seven, seven, speaking of Momentum Joe the producer is rock in the momentum today he's got the Hawaiian shirt on and if you ever want to really watch the behind the. Scenes of the show our youtube show, which is live streamed every day on our youtube. Channel just search the Ken Coleman show on Youtube. It's a twelve eastern standard time noon every once in a while we will banter back and forth and the radio show you can't see Joe Madison. But on the Youtube show, you can see in the Control Room Joe's rock in the Hawaiian shirt to they're excited about the extra long weekend. Oh absolutely, and we're also rocking new music today Oh. Okay. So Joe's very excited about bumps. The always loves new bumps and I just saw the corner of my eye. Dame brand manager, the big shot, the the white collared that I that I have to answer to is in there is in the studio of Control, room. So this always makes me very very nervous and jumpy. So we'll try to focus here. You never know what he's GonNa say what he's writing down on his little notebook all the time I don't know I don't know by we'll see when he smiles it's a good day but hey, we're having fun here eight, four, four, seven, four, seven, two, five, seven, seven, Friday night lights for me tonight show Friday Night Lights, high school football, my son. Game tonight boom it's going to be a good day. All right. Let's go back to my stomping grounds for Ginny beach where I went to high school. We're live on wgn thirteen ten am and keys is on the line in Virginia Beach Keys you're on the Ken Coleman show. Can. Thanks for taking my call. You Bet keys, how can I help? So I have some education benefits that I want us to earn a master's degree to help me become a professional communicator through writing and digital media My question is, do you think I should pursue a degree that would help build and market that digital platform like a blog or degree that would enhance my writing skills? Well I before we get to. That choice I think we have to look at the bigger choice in that has master's degree does the Masters Degree Clearly. Without question. Make you more qualified and more attractive to do the thing that you want to do. I would say probably not but I have the benefits and I'd rather use them. What do you mean? You have the benefits and you'd rather I mean someone's will pay for it. So you feel like you're wasting. This unbelievable opportunity. Absolutely. So I'm active duty military, some education benefits to three. I've already got to bachelors and all that kind of stuff. I've got a couple of years left on the on the benefits that I have used after. Okay. So tell me the ultimate dream then well, what's the ultimate Dream fifteen twenty years from now define it for me as best as you can just dream a little bit. Fifteen, twenty years from now I would like to become an author and a professional writer specifically reaching out to the misfits and the underdogs society those with dream. But not to believe the support I'd like to write about adventure inspiration self-improvement stuff. Well, I think it's very clear answer. I. Think you should be The master should be focused on writing communication I mean. I. Think that's I. think that's the best fit did was that your thought going into this or are you thinking fifty fifty or one leaning towards one or the other? So, it was kind of fifty fifty I agree with you I absolutely think that it's it's the ultimate goal is to communicate through writing than enhancing the right insurance would be beneficial but I do enjoy the creative side of the digital media video editing and things like that. Well. Here's why I told you what I told you I think you can get skills in that area. Online through non master's degree programs I just. I just think that there's so much out there on how to learn how to create digitally whether it'd be editing specify specially editing I mean there's so many. Programs that are low cost and free webinars and resources out there that will help you there and I think you can do both. But I think if you're going to invest in the masters certainly writing is the best bang for your buck no question about it and you can get the other while you're going along with it. There's just too much out there to help us make sense. It makes perfect sense. That's what I was thinking. I just wanted your opinion. Yeah Man Hey, listen Thank you for your service. Thank you for serving our country. You're a great American. Appreciate that. Thanks for your support Yes sir eight, four, four, seven, four, seven, two, five, seven, seven, eight, four, four, seven, four, seven, two, five, seven, seven control rooms getting crowded Catherine. The Social Media Maven is joined us as well. So this was a big day today. Let's go to Lexington Kentucky were David joins US David. You're on the Ken Coleman show. Hey. Thank you for your time I was calling in. actually enrolling in the SNP program for the Army National Guard, and with that I already have sixty hours completed college but I need to go back and finish my bachelor's originally I was a history major and i. don't see a future in teaching so they want to change it up and do something different with my time. I just wanted to know what your thoughts are on possibly like financing or other options. Well, I want you to make that decision based on where you want to end up. You know what I mean I don't know that I'm much help to you just go on. Well, let's figure out what would be better than history. No let's figure out where you want to be, and then what would be the most valuable courses that you can take the major that would that would help you the most. So where do you WANNA end up? All of them. Going and hopefully commission as aviation officer for the Turkey National Guard. Okay and then with that. You're only for part time I wouldn't either like to the financial planning sector or potentially opening up my own company and flying private helicopter. Okay and and just like our previous caller mean this college being paid for Correct Gi Bill. So this is not coming out of your pocket. Yes Sir Actually, it's pretty nice side of a stipend from the army and then the second coming from the national guard as a part time, the National Guard enlisted told her okay and so. The way you set it up I was a little foggy. You only got about a minute left. So quick question. So do you feel like you have to have this degree or is this again? I've already put in this many hours and I wanNA finish. Yes, you have to have the degree to be a part of the program. That's what I thought. You said okay. Yeah. So I think I would go towards I. Think I'd go towards the finance side if it was me based on what you've told me, you're interested in aviation but I think the I don't know that the degree in aviation is to do much for your correct. Yes sir. Essentially the army the train me for the yeah. I go finance that's going help you run your business right? If you have an aviation but this is going to be very helpful and if you WANNA be a financial professional and that's certainly look good on your resume I think go finance for the major I'd switch absolutely. I appreciate it. Kim. Thank you. Yeah. Hey, thank you for your service David Your Great American. We appreciate you. Know, thank you Sir love it. Love it. Love Love Love when we have our military call then I'll tell you why if you know someone in the military, just a quick commercial And they feel like, Hey, I'm about ready to get out or I'm thinking about when I get out what I'm going to do, and they're really struggling with how do they take that military experience and translate to the private sector and there are a little confused. Please give them my number to call me passionate about helping them because they've got a lot often. This is the Ken Coleman show. Welcome back America you are. Joining a conversation about purpose about your purpose, your purpose is actually about others you were created to fill unique role. You're needed. And you must do it. This isn't an option. Because if you don't show up. In this life. In your work. And and play that role. Somebody. Is. Missing out on what? You had to help them. You know early on in this program, we saw a pattern and we see it more and more and more and more and more. People who aren't quite sure what they WANNA do they'll call the program they'll say Ken I I. I don't know what I WANNA. Do I just want to help people and I've made the comment many times will welcome the human race. Of course you. WanNa. Help people we all want to help people the question is how where? So the Ken Coleman show is completely about you. So excited to have you with us as a different Kata Talk Radio Eight, four, four, seven, four, seven, two, five, seven, seven, eight, four, four, seven, four, seven, two, five, seven, seven, we're gonNA. Look at your purpose in life and in work how they come together. Let's go to South Korea. while. Fun I. Mean We've had calls from all around the globe many times. But she is up late in. South. Korea to be able to talk to us and I am humbled and now I'm feeling the pressure April, you're on the Ken Coleman. Show. How are you? I'm great. Thank you. Your little sleepy took naps. I could. Talk to you, what time is it in South Korea right now? At two thirty pm all my goodness. All right. Well, let's see if we can help you out. So you can get some sleep what's going on? So I've been working overseas for about fifteen years now. And yeah. So I'm looking at moving back to the US and about a year or two. I. Guess. My question is you know. Pow I've been listening to you and talking about the proximity principle and those relationships to get the job but how do I do that when I'm not in the US to make this relationship yeah. All right. Let's break this down a little bit more specifically. So do you have an idea the type of work? Whether be, I don't need a job description, but do you know what you want to be doing in your career when you come back to the states? I think well planned to shift out of what I'm doing Currently work in education. So shifting out of that currently doing something different. Yeah. But we need to figure that out because it helps this. It helps me answer your question because I can give you a general answer and by the way if that's if that's all you need then I can I can address it from a general standpoint but it certainly is I like to get more specific go I wanNA. Move Out of education and I want to move into marketing. I'm making this up you know. All right look here's what we're going to do. So do you have any sense? If not, I'll answer it very generally but do you have a sense of what you'd like to at least look into and maybe consider doing in the future? Well, I mean I mean I work in education but I'm not a teacher right now I, work I do admissions I work in marketing in education field. So I want to stay in that realm I guess going back into the US of maybe not an education but kind of staying in that you know I really. I guess there's things that I really like about that I, I love meeting people I like I love the chance to talk with people and connect with people and do all that. But I also like the. United. Like working with numbers I'm also a math person. So I like that I can use two different sides of my brain. Connect with people but then also have that part where I'm like that LVN and looking into spreadsheets so I like that I can do two different things. Yeah. Okay. Brain and then diamond I bring. Okay that's perfect. So here's the answer. So what you need to begin doing now is you've got about a one to two year ramp until you start looking one of the types of jobs. That allow me to do those two things I thought you had a wonderful breakdown that's really really really good for you because it allows you to search much more specifically start looking. All right. Does this job allow me to use both sides of this brain to have a heavy people interaction but I'd like the numbers, the analysis, the logistic side of things, the process type things that correct. Yes. So the point is you look for those kind of jobs process. Process driven. People. Facing. That's what you're looking for you. There's an interaction with people as you are functioning in a process type role start looking at those roles. and. Then you start and by the way I should step step back for one second. Do you have an idea what part of the country you want to go back to or you just wide open? We're looking at the entire United States, the lower forty-eight wha-what's zone. I'm open to the whole us. Let makes this blogging. After having lived in outside of the US. For so long and I'm open to anywhere we'll. That makes it easier that makes this easier. That's why stop for. Because it's like I wanna go back to Sheboygan. Right then we go. Okay. Well, this is all focused on Sheboygan right, but we're not we're going okay wide open. So, this changes a little bit I I think you're doing some industry studies and you're going, okay, I've been in the education sector or industry. What are the sectors that maybe I have some more personal connection to I liked the results in these areas a little bit more I'd start there almost on a macro level and then you start to whittle it down and he start looking for the jobs you need to go I'm going to go do some research all kinds of jobs out there they kind of it by industry you can go okay. I want to look in the engineering industry you know and I want to look for jobs in marketing processing you whatever he start diving in. You start to find the roles. Then you start looking for attractive companies and you're doing your research on. Are they. Are they good companies in good culture and they treat their employees while they great customer service and you sure this'll be a great place to work. Then you start looking at everybody you know and I, mean this is every contact on facebook linked in you know all of the social media plus your quaint nces even in South Korea anywhere in the world acquaintances and then you Kinda next look at your close personal context because those are the easy ones to figure out and largely share a lot of the same networks. Right. But we want to shake the tree and this is where you go. Hey, I'm coming back to the US a year. Or you can say in two years. And I know I want to do this work and I'm really interesting this company anybody out there work for this company. Anybody out there got a family member of the works of this company anybody out there. Have a good friend that works at this company and what you're doing is you're just simply identifying a true connection. And then you go all right I've got a connection and as you hone in on that job now you go look I want to get around the normal resume submission thing and I want to know how good your connection is or is it another connection have? Will you vouch for me and the goal is April is to simply get to the point where You've got some real credibility using the Ken Coleman show resume. We've got a strong endorsement from a name inside that company or two or an industry expert. That rings real credibility for you and you're trying to get to the point. Ideally, what I teach is where somebody knows about you from a solid mutual connection or somebody knows you directly and they say, Hey, April's rock star. And I. Think you should interview her. That's how you that's how you work relationships. So just because you're in South Korea, doesn't mean that you can't navigate all of that that I said, it's just your command center, but because there's email. Text and social media and you know everybody you know you can talk to folks and you start putting out the word but I think you gotTa have a target first before you just do this blanket. You know connecting. So Target I. Then specific connections and you're just kind of building the web of connections hang on the line. Madison make sure if she doesn't have a copy of the proximity principle, it's gator the version she wants if you do have it. April. You want to read the chapter on the web of connections and just really build your spiderweb. You know Alan piece of paper and just begin to really work this thing and you'll see opportunities will come to you. If you make that web of connections, really come alive. That's how people get opportunities. Sociology research backs me up on this most people get jobs through acquaintances, not close personal friends and family, SA- start thinking that way now that you know the truth all right don't go anywhere more of your calls more clarity more confidence more courage is on the other side of the break. This is the Coleman show. Rolling along. Hair. On the Ramsey network, this is the Ken Coleman show thrilled to have you with us. We are helping you figure out. What you were created to do is the age old question what should I do my life and the answer lies within you? How do you find that out? You gotta dig into the three indicators of self. What you're good at your talent. You got hard skills and soft skills. Now the saw skills, any kind of born with those that you can develop those and you got some talent that you can turn into skill and those become those hard skills. Talent. Is What you do best. Then there's passion. This is the work you love to do. We're all drawn to some type of a task of function. Just something we we love engage is true of all of us. In the third piece is mission, which is the results that matter deeply to you. So all work creates results. So when you align the three of those, would they intersect talent passion emission? That's your sweet spot. That's where you. Just. Get maximum performance. Maximum enjoyment. It looks effortless to others. It's not. But it looks effortless. And it feels. Just. Beautiful, you're full of joy. It's why say you have the juice? It's like a baseball player or Golfer. Player hits the ball right in the sweet spot of the instrument whether it be a racquet club or a bat. and. He can barely feel it when you strike it right it's just. This is what? ME. High Cheek semi high has studied for over thirty five years is called flow experiencing a just a sense of flow the juice. So, let's help you figure that out eight, four, four, seven, four, seven, two, five, seven, seven, eight, four, four, seven, four, seven, two, five, seven, seven. Let's go to Noah in long. Beach. California Noah you're on the Ken Coleman show. I am living the dream Noah what's up. So I. Sure Hope I could say the same So yeah, I'm here in California and I've gone to college for to get broadcasting degree, which is and I have done radio like you know I've done broadcasted football and baseball and only good stuff and I would love to make a career out of it and. The problem is is a hiring network myself in every way shape or form late in facebook years zero and it just seems just doesn't seem like a student anywhere no, no, no no. No I need you to move that phone you're really muffled. There we go. Keep it right there. Nice and clear. So you've done all of the link in and all of the social media connecting and nothing's happened for you. Yeah nothing's happening and I just. I. Really Hope that this this isn't the is way of saying you know maybe this isn't the right thing. No, it's not the universe. First of all the universe doesn't say anything. So let's start with that. Okay Universe isn't saying anything to you. The universe has nothing to do with this. This is all you. So the question is, do you have the talent? D of the raw talent or of you developed into a skill where if we had honest people like if I heard your tapes, I'd go. You know what? No you got the chops I mean D- Are. You clear on that you're not delusional. You got enough feedback to know that you've got the ability to be a broadcaster. Lots of people told me that and as a matter of fact. I once had a very legendary California radio DJ on my Radio Show Shotgun Tom Kelly and while you're going places buddy and he said in a very sincere way. Yeah. Okay. So why are you not anymore you were once in it why are you not still in it? Well. Because of because of Covid my my college is not doing anything in that realm, and also I've been trying to find my niche and as a matter of fact, I think I did I did find somewhat of a niche to do something Talk Radio Wise is the other thing I wanted to mention his I'm on the autism spectrum and I thought how cool would it be to do something of a podcast about the awareness know people call in with questions you like yeah, I deal with my kid. With that and stuff like that. You could probably do this. You can do that. Yeah I. Think you should do it. You know you can launch that podcast today. Yeah Yeah so do it but that's just one piece of this deal. That's one piece when I first got started I, I lost podcast call one question with Ken Coleman. And it was based on a leadership podcast that I was already hosting for somebody else and they allowed me to take one of my favorite questions out of these long-form interviews and turn it into a little short short-form podcast that ended up turning into my first book. So you never know where that podcast is going to go. But yes, you need to be creating and you need to be executing in this you navy doing everything you can. So I understand you are on a college radio station because a covert you're not doing that anymore that's what we're talking about. That is correct and the other thing. The other thing I wanna do is I, WanNa be a baseball broadcaster want to color commentate baseball well. Well. Okay. So is that the dream? Let's just be real. Let's get real. There's nothing wrong with sharing a dream. Let's I. Knew that I wanted to have a national radio show that was is that was all I knew but I knew that and then it got defined as to what type show. But what's the dream for you know as a broadcaster? What is the? The top of Mt. Cooler voiceover artist. Okay well that's different than baseball color and I'm glad you said that because. If, you're not a former baseball player at a college level. Or Major League Baseball Level You're not gonNA go very far. They're they're not looking for just guys off the streets of unless you've got a great baseball background, the nets not. Realistic. Anyway. Okay. So you could do play by play. You have to be a great player to be a play by play guy, that's a broadcaster, but the color analyst they're looking for guys and Gals have played the game you understand what I'm saying. Yeah I. Got You. Yeah. So that's probably not a good idea. I'm glad we got so voice voiceover artists, right so again. You can sort the autism podcast tonight and then after you launch your first episode tonight. Then, you could you could start doing some voice over samples. If you had some energy leftover, you could you could go listen to some voiceover over artists. They've got their websites out there just google professional voice talent, and all these people are gonNA show up men and women that are doing very well. And they've got all these samples. They've done a car commercial or maybe they've done a electronics store commercial or they're doing bumps into radio stations and stuff like that, and you could take the same script that they're using type it out and then do your own samples but you've gotta start showing your work. But you connecting on? Lincoln Lincoln is great for information. It is not. It is not a connection tool. It is an information tool to make connections of vital vital tool. But you need to be getting in front of people and I'm just going to tell you right now that what I did was I was volunteering at radio stations. I was doing anything and everything I could and you're young guy you could probably still do some of that wants the Kovic stuff relaxes the bottom line is noah. Don't get discouraged right now. Because if it wasn't for covert and your governor's response to covert and I'm not making a political statement, this is a fact. But California is one of the most lockdown states if not the most locked down states in the country. So that's not your fault. And you can't do anything about that. That will eventually change I hope. But who knows these days? How long some of these things are GonNa be like, let me tell you. We're living free in Nashville Baby. All right Tennessee were free. But I don't know California's GonNa do but eventually they're going to relax. I. Hope. And then your college going to get back get right back into. So don't get discouraged because all that's happened right now as you've just been that, you've had a giant pause button along with millions and millions and millions and millions of other people. You've got a pause button placed on you artificially have nothing to do with it. Yeah. You wouldn't be down if you were still doing the radio on the college station right. Right. Yeah. So get your Chin up stay afloat. Right now I love the idea of the autism podcasts because you've got something to say, and you're a high functioning autistic person. That's inspiring. Right. Oh. Thank you. Yeah, and by the way Craig the is it okay to say autistic person an offensive I don't know if it is I'm going to correct myself. Well I mean it really it really depends on. I I really don't mind autistic person high functioning asper he can say whatever you great. I just I get emails on stuff like this sometimes and it's just it's very clear that I'm not offending you and then I'm respecting you I think you're awesome. Okay. But if I shouldn't say that I shouldn't say it. So anyway, the point is your high functioning. With autism. All right. You are and your rockstar inspire a lot of people. So just start creating and just hold things will open up. Hey, our time is almost up but before I let you go you matter and you do have what it takes. Thank you so much for joining the conversation until next time this is the Ken Coleman show press on. Thanks for listening to the Ken Coleman Show. For more, you can find the show on demand wherever you listen to podcasts and watched the show on Youtube. You can also find Ken across all social media by following at Ken Coleman. Hey. Folks I WANNA make sure you check out our other Ramsey network podcasts like the Chris. Hogan show. I am so excited to be able to talk to you all weekend and week out. 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Gun Violence - Mass Shootings

Capt. Hunter's Podcast

37:46 min | 1 year ago

Gun Violence - Mass Shootings

"<music> taber one welcome to another episode captain hunters podcast. Thanks for tuning in. I really appreciate shit your time your effort your energy a lot of feedback from coming in. I truly appreciate it trying to make sure better for you in just trying to give out some information today's episode. We're going to talk about the situation mass shooting gun violence. This is probably gonna be party b. Two part series into gun violence mass shootings things and i'm also gonna talk a little bit about the racial ovation's of gun control in that particular history state-owned and we're gonna get into all of them so let's just jump into it right now so like i said it's part of a two part episode <hes> maybe even more than that but i wanted to really talk about gun violence because this podcast is dedicated to helping the community in the officers together. We have to really get to the to the fact of the matter and really try to understand each other's perspective in each other's coming. If there's an issue where the public is not seeing eye to eye with with the police officers then then the focus and the golden pot half those was to get those two particular groups in harmony into a we can't in order to facilitate chain now. I really wanted to do this episode in relationship to the recent situation that happened in virginia beach virginia in which people were injured or killed in the mass shooting that happened there. I think it's tragic. We all think it's tragic. I mentioned this in about a seven minute video that i post instagram and facebook so you guys can check that out under my pages there your captain alessandro big l hunter. That's my instagram big. L hunter my twitter as captain l hunter try to pose things there and just try to keep up with the current latest latest current events and things like that in line with what we saw in virginia. I really started thinking about it. You know this is the problem that we see this going on in the problem that i have number one one is that is going on. These types of incidents are going on with seemingly increasing frequency and we'll get into that. A little bit in the second problem. I have is that we're you're growing numb to it. We kind of glossing over it when it comes to our news feeds m- crtv the reading the paper or when we hear podcast like this we kind of just glow gloss loss over the fact that this is the problem this is going on in. This is occurring within the society that we live in. I think that if we're going to be more of a fair equitable trusting in more civilized society than i think we really need to get to the heart of what's going on here so as a research top looking into it you know like i said i did that video. Really i just kind of went off the top of my head but obviously for the podcast which i really wanted to take my time when you're really read through some things and you really look at things that you agree with you when i'm reading through things. You should really look to see what you agree with in also rethink that you don't and see what other people's perspective are one two three four five other perspectives. If possibly i don't subscribe to this left right dynamic that we have going on in this country. I don't like it. I think it's very divisive and i think most of the problems we have cannot be summed up in either or black and white issues rights as a lot of shades of gray in between those black light issues until we really have to redo some things and it takes work it takes effort it takes time but i think in the long that pays off because we become a more informed society in the more employable at the medicine decisions that we can make. We really have to read through some things. I'm reading through some things. I didn't want his obviously just about a mirant and what this episode to be about me simply ranting raving but what i think should happen. I really wanna get backs and data and see what the best methods are for going forward so how we as a society can fix this problem if the problem can even be fixed right reading through so many things think of you know a very pessimistic about our chances of fixing simmons problems but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try that doesn't mean we should minimize problems that doesn't mean that they should not make every single effort in attempt to fix problems in to decrease any type of potential for harm endanger the first problem that i have now as i mentioned in the video so the first problem that i have is the problem of the definition if we can't come to some type of understanding of what we're talking being about them. We're gonna have a hard time trying to fix any type of problem. What are you talking about capital. What i'm talking about is the fact that government agencies news outlets academics dimick's can't or have not developed a single source of or single definition of what we're talking about the mass shootings. Mass killings are active shooters by that's what we're talking komo. There is no coherent consistent definitive definition that one person can go to the dictionary and read about and so therefore the this creates a serious this problem because we're congress may be talking about may not be what academics are talking about that may not be with news outlets are talking about and then there's the problem of the gut pro-gun advocacy groups groups and they're they're the pro restrictive rights advocacy advocacy groups which are seeking to limit the introduction in limit the amount of people who are able able to possess a handgun within modern civil society and so in this also this problem that i'm talking about does not just stem from the united states of america. It stems all across the world particularly in first. It's world countries as we're going to deal with this problem. Act act of shoes mass shootings mass killings happens in less developed countries as well yes but for the for the purpose of our research will talking about i really just want to kind of stick to mostly first world type countries that another become apparent wild sticking to that in a little while ago along but just stay tune reading from this is place f. a. s. dot org. This is the congressional research service mass murderer firearms incidents and victims from nineteen ninety nine to two thousand thirteen. This can be accessed online but none of the information. I'm giving is super secret scholarly articles. We have to pay to the articles. You know i'm just doing google searches like everyone else that there are some times in some incidents where i have to go through my school library to find out some different articles and i wrote when when i mentioned those obviously i mentioned them but but <hes> but he but here's the problem here's here's the problem that we have. Is that number one. There's no definitive definition according to the f._b._i. The term mass murderer has been defined generally as multiple homicide incident in which four more victims victims are murdered within one event and one or more locations in close geographical proximity based on this definition for the purpose of this report mass shooting is defined as multiple homicide incident in which four more victims are murdered with firearms within one incident and in one or more locations in close proximity. You see the problem album with that. This is basing it on a multiple homicide of it into in which four more people are until so think about that definition just for a second. You're sitting at a restaurant. Some crazy gunman comes in and he starts shooting up the place he kills one person and then twenty people are injured and then flees the scene or then it takes his own life this according to this every definition is not a mass murder. It may not even be an active shooter. According to these definitions and these definitions of why this is important is these definitions are what drives research so if you're going to do research as an academic or as a news outlet you could not convince as a mass murder event because the only killed one person but of course everybody in there had to duck under a table. Everybody in there had to take some type of proactive action in order to save their own life. They had to duck table. They had to lock himself in the bathroom. Run up the back door. They had to do whatever they had to say. Is that a not. An active shooter is not his attempt their attempt to kill some work a problem so that's one of the biggest problems that that i find in going forward. Take a look at the rand dot org r. a. n. d. dot org. I think this is pretty much wpro rights organization but i'm not too sure about that but regardless like i said before you really should rethink that you agree with everything that you don't agree with read a little bit about this right in the nineteen eighties federal bureau of investigation to find mass murderer someone who killed four more people in a single incident however the government has never defined mass shooting is definite different mass murder mass shooting a separate category and there is yet no universally accepted definition of the term thus media outlets academic researchers and law enforcement agencies frequently used different definitions when discussing mass shootings was can complicate our understanding mastering trends in their relationship to gun policy the table although there is no official standard standard for the casualty threshold that distinguishes mass shootings and other violent crimes involving viral a common approach to literature to adopt f._b._i.'s criteria for mass murderer set a casualty threat. Hold a port bay tallies by firearm excluding the offender or offenders so you get to people who could kill them. That's not gonna count. How how does that make sense once again. You're sitting at your kid's school play. Somebody just starts blazing away the killed two people and that's not gonna count re f._b._i. Ticks is not gonna count for academic research nightly news. Media outlets not like how because it's not four more people excluding initial gunman. I don't think it doesn't make any sense. We need to really develop some type definition as to what we're talking about. There's another a source of information called gun violence archive. I think it's dot org gun. Violence sounds archive against can read about that. It defines mass shooting as an incident this mass shooting their definition according to gun violence art archive mass shooting as an incident in which four more victims excluding the shoot are injured or killed the mass shooting tracker <hes> sadeq retained four more people injured or killed including the shooting so there's different definitions going on the problem. I have with gun. Violence archive is that they include now. This is obviously a pro gun checker kind organization right where they don't want people to have guns in mass essentially right they wanna limit restrict gun access to guns so this particular website will include include family homicides gang violence robberies things like that so you get a robbery. Somebody shoots three four five people that would count under the gun by our card so that's why that's why i had to really specific and what we're talking about. I'm not talking about gangs who are going out there doing gang initiations shooting each other up in places like that my talking about a gun violence at bar after hours or two o'clock in the morning where fight breaks out next people start popping up five or six people get around. Maybe one person died that. That's we're talk about what we're talking about. Here is our ability to go to college campuses our ability to go to school our ability to go to the mall and that has some crazed lunatic forced to run out the back door in a massive mass hurry because he's starts going up with his aac april seven or whatever whatever hadn't so that's what we that's what we really have to really isolate definition and get to what we're talking about here. This is the first problem that i'm having is that there is such a problem with the definition as to what we're talking about and so if we can't develop any type of definition than we're never really get to the get to understand what we're talking about really never be able to come up with a solution to what we're talking. Talk emma so. Let's read about just a little bit about the psychology now. This is something to be. Academics are really really looking into why this phenomenon is going on. They've been doing it for some time but in order to really get it right you really in order for the academics to really <hes> hone in on the problem and understanding isolate the problem they really first first of all have to have this basic definition that everyone agrees upon that way they can target an isolated does perpetrators if they live in isolate them even if they die right they can go through through their facebook feeds. It can go through social media feeds they can go through their archives and things like that and then do a little bit of research so let's get into the mind of a mass murderer and i'm taking this from psychology today so psychology today talks about the mind of a mass murderer alan j francis m._d. Wrote an article back in two thousand fourteen in which he's looking at a war talk about today. The active shooters mass shooters. He quotes dr james nolan leading <unk> psychiatrist would special expertise in mass murder talks about the psychological profiles. If you will to help law enforcement to help academics understand what's going on two thousand thirteen. The congressional research service issued a report a public mass shootings congressional research service use as is working definition occurring in relative in public places and volume for more deaths missing. Here's a problem with the sierras identified seventy eight public mass shootings in the u._s. Since nineteen eighty three that resulted in five hundred forty seven deaths and over a thousand thousand casualties so it's mostly the perpetrators <unk> mostly young males who act alone or carefully after carefully planning the event they often have long stint dint standing fascination with weapons collected large stores of the shootings usually occur public places and during the daytime the murderer is an injustice collector suspect a great deal of time feeling resentful about real or imagined rejections. They're ruminating. Past <unk> is paranoid world with chronic feelings of social persecution envy and grudge hold. He is tormented by beliefs that crib alleged others are enjoying life all you can eat buffet while he must peer to the window and and outside loaner always looking in agreed a title he longs for power and rents to glittery what he cannot have since the fact is unattainable lawfully in realistically. He is reduced to violent fantasy in pseudo-power. He creates an odious. Screenplays grandiose deals in public retribution like childhood upper ends. The checkerboard does not like the way the game's going. He seeks to destroy others by parent failures to recognize it immediately fury deep despair callous south eventually crystallise fantasy of regional scale that will draw attention the mass murderer typically expects to die and frequently does in what amounts to be a mass homicide personal suicide may kill himself or script matters so that he will be killed by police the frequency mental disorders mass orders is controversial because not clear what draws the line between good between bad and math so this. This is just some of the ideas that was written in psychology today this this was written two thousand fourteen. He's quoting <hes> and the authors quoting from some of the work by dr null wrote two thousand thirteen. These are some of the ideas that are going on <hes> in the let me just talk a little bit about is this a first world problem or is this an idea that is simply isolated to the united states from political factors so this organization is always geared towards looking to truth no matter but what a politician says it is is what a politician speaking truth to what's going on two thousand fifteen they wrote an article titled is barack obama correct correct that mass killings don't happen conference. This is written june twenty seven twenty fifteen. The president obama made a statement after the african american. Can church in charleston was shot up. This barack obama said now is the time for morning incor- healing but let's be clear at some point we as a country where the reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen and other advanced countries. It doesn't happen other places with this kind of frequency in our power to do something about it now. First of all i agree yeah it is in our power. We have to do something about it. We'll talk about a little bit of that out later. On what does article particularly did was go through a lot of statistics statistics and if you read through the article will give you some examples or samples of what has happened in other countries july twenty second two thousand eleven eighty people people will kill the norway with enders graphic. The extremist kill the much people to march eleventh two thousand nine. Germany teenage gunman killed fifteen people. Most of the victims were children and teachers. I'm when you open a book open fire classroom. It has a secondary school. September twenty third two thousand eight finland gunman shot ten people to death after opened fire in a classroom in school of hospitality to the teachers and the shooter burned the victim's bodies right after going through some numbers with list a lot of numbers in this particular article it says still the u._s. doesn't ring number one at point one five mass shootings fatalities per one hundred thousand people the u._s. had a lower rate than norway one point three finland point three four and switzerland one point. Seven hundred dollar will note that all these countries. I'd big attacks a relatively small population with pushed up their per capita rates in norway that <hes> single attack in two thousand eleven. Let's sixty seven dead by gunfire. Five plus additional bomb cows had two attacks when the kill eight tent and switzerland had one into exile fourteen still still while the united states did rank top one third of the list the fact that three other countries exceeded the u._s. Using this method of comparison does weaken the obamas claim that doesn't doesn't happen to other places with this kind of frequency in at least three countries. The data shows it does right so the bigger population <unk> talked about this per one hundred hundred thousand the biggest population the more frequently these situations having the end of the article from politic the data. She clearly shows that it does happen these. This type of predominance are happening to other countries in at least three hundred. There's evidence that the rate of killings emotions events occurred at high per capita rates in the united states a two thousand doc id fourteen the only partial support for obama's claim is that the per capita gun incident italian rating the united states does rink in one third part of the london lebanon county study on balanced we rate the claim mostly false new york post two thousand eighteen another article from new york post two thousand eighteen america america doesn't actually lead the world mass shootings. There's a guy by the name of adam lankford length for study reported that over forty seven years there were ninety public mass shootings in the united states in two thousand and two hundred and two in the rest of the world lankford hasn't released his list of shootings or even a number of cases by country or year we another as both in academia and the media have asked linked prefers list only to be declined. He has also declined to provide lists of news. Sources in languages linkages used to compile as this tastes. These emissions are important because length entire could preclusion were paul apart. He undergone a foreign cases. The lack news coverage robert and language barriers language sites in two thousand twelve new york police department will pour which claims is nearly comprehensive managed coverage recent decade. The article goes on to record from the crime prevention research center. We know of no way to discover most cases where four people shot to death in an incident in africa or any parts of <unk> sixty seventy eight or nine and that is the reason the new study is just looked in the past fifteen years from nineteen eighty two thousand twelve or the forty seven years the examiner so the reason that this particular article that is important is because this was written by a couple of people last year to august thirty two thousand eighteen in it takes a look at once once again at the president former president obama's statement concerning that this type of incident is unparalleled in the world that we are number one with that. It's simply it plainly <hes> just can't be verified in the missiles opinion piece in the new york post. Take orders worth so we do know that these type of incidents do happen in other places as i said video that i made it's not just about shootings this type of mass killing going on all over the place in may two thousand nineteen. There was a knife wielding maniac who ran through some schools. I believe it was in japan. Killing people type in mass stabbings search engine wikipedia kapiti page will may pop up and it has a number of violent stabbings that have occurred train stations to to school massacres to malls to synagogues you you know this type of mass killing not relegated to guns and this is the problem that i think that everybody should really understand is this. This is not just a proper to the answer it that many people come up with what is that okay well. If we just stopped a lot of people from getting guns of we banned some type of grunts more some type of amendments amenities to guns for example debate that that was at the las vegas shooting this becomes isolating and eliminating those particular elements packages to firearms is not gonna stop right because then we have people onto the streets stabbing people. You may have run people into the streets by hitting people with baseball bats. A tire aren't so this type of mass type of killing is a phenomenon that i think we really need to study across the board in bronx county. Come up with some type definition and figure out what it is studied researching right because i think that the mass killing just an easier way to kill from a distance in what is dazzled the chase him down and i'm not trying to trying to make light of it but you it's almost simpler and easier to shoot someone in comparison to stabbing them. Chase people down ability for mass casualties. More people injured or killed is greatly increased when you use a firearm particularly automatic firearm so this is what has as we looked at our hoping that people will take this seriously so the reason. I really want to talk about this <unk> really kind of focus in on what we can do in order to help eliminate the problem i i think the legislatures across the state of the country really need to focus in on this problem. We're going to have more copycats more mentally disturbed people who wanna hurt people things like that so this stuff has to be really researched to look into and really had to develop some type of situation slowly in light of what it happened recently in virginia legislature a member of the legislature there who was quoted as saying that now he's ready state senator john edwards the rural district democrat who helps stop the bill. Two thousand eight has different re today. I think we're ready. He said now what is he talking about. Before two thousand eight hundred two thousand seven it was the virginia tech shooting hard to believe it was that long over two thousand seven hundred two thousand seven virginia tech's get shot up a lot of people at that time. I wanted to have some reforms but they couldn't bring about reforms and did the review the new york times. This is written june four two thousand nineteen after gunman killed thirty. Two people have virginia tech two thousand seven at bill to require mandatory background checks for firearms at gun shows bail to make it out of committee in virginia state senate news blocked by all the republicans on the committee into who democrats would control the chamber at that time now more than a decade later after a gunman killed twelve people in virginia beach last week a similar background check builder being you propose as part of the package of legislation senate special session which the governor called for on tuesday now to continue reading stay senator john edwards has now saying that <unk> that he's ready the politics want guns of change recent years recapped by a burst of student activism deep-pocketed allies stirred studies dirge the grim headlines from schools churches concert and now into virginia beats municipal bill from two thousand seven hundred been more shootings at concerts schools etc etc and now now. They're ready to do something about it. I suppose saying better late than never continue by but i think it's disgusting and despicable but this has on and that our politicians have been getting away with this in their enact where people really had to step up to the plate need politicians to step up now do something now what what else is going on as far as politicians trying to fix the problem while the house <hes> this is going to reuters article february twenty seven two thousand nineteen eighteen two houses approved expanded background checks for gun sales so they have recently approved a bill called the background check. Bill essentially was approved two hundred and forty two ninety vote. I gun control measures taken by the democrat since they regain control of the house in two thousand eighteen so they want to expand this this idea that background checks depending on what study you read eight eighty five to ninety percent of american population you can redesign gallup poll believe in some type of universal background checks to stop up this type of situation would even go to gun shows or whatever buy or sell a gun to someone else <hes> do a private vendor however else they're doing getting around it and they want some of tighter controls background checks when it comes to being able to to do however the bill's does gonna face opposition when it gets to the republican controlled senate and the president has already said that he would not sign this particular group the white house the ones getting reading from warriors the white house said monday that trump's advisable recommend veto the legislation because it would apply burdensome requirements that are incompatible with second amendment guarantee the right of an individual to keep bear on. I may talk about this in another podcast but i do believe that this this hyper gun culture now. Let me just say how outright i to carry mine mostly all the time anytime i leave the house i'm usually using the arm but carry mind because the net because i have this strict adherence in love for the second amendment i carry it because i know other people other people to carrying it you know i don't want to be a big fight so that that's going to be honest. That's most of the reason why i care. I don't want to become a victim of being robbed or or whatever but i do think that this adherence is loved affiliation. This fantasy of the second amendment i think is really dangerous. It's really in all honesty. Listen you wanna be armed. Okay at all. I don't see maybe i won't on relax. You want to be armed. You wanna be have a gun and that's is your prerogative okay. Whatever but you know i just don't see the need for it at all times so this this love that people have to to keep in a bear arms. I don't think is is really. I'm not a constitutional scholar but i don't believe really wrestle strict adherence an understanding of the constitution which those times architecture constitution we're really concerned about people walking around with guns on them concerned about a militia in which they were able to to regulate they were they want to regulate the militia have have mitchell that the militia was capable ready to defend the needs so that's right. That's what i think a number of times. I'll leave it to those who are more attuned tuned into second amendment legal scholars etc to have that to be but i personally don't think that it was mental. That'll take the framers of the constitution cemented wars going on today certainly think they would have an issue the problem not able to go to a concert not being able to go to a school having lockdown drills and all this kind of craziness because we can't decide how to keep schools that same to continue on and as a segue into how we can't what other methods are are being done so that's what congress is doing what a school is doing right so in florida they just passed the bill signed into law by the governor that teachers there can be on may a second two thousand nineteen from n._p._r. Florida proves bill on classroom teachers to be on a lot of stipulations and what i what i don't like about these particular stipulations is that looked. It looked like it was going to go through. The democrats in state of florida wanted to put at least twenty amendments in to be built in all those amendments were rejected one of the amendments in particular heckler that i really wish it would have gotten through was this item of implicit is what i'm fearful low. I'm fearful of one of a number of things about teachers being arm. According to this bill they have good training psychological evaluations all kinds of stuff. That's great. That's certainly a step in the right direction that they should also be included in implicit by straining listened to my podcast about that. I talked about how teachers are already receiving it. I don't know about the state of florida. They're not receiving a-plus advice training that they should move receiving that type of training training should be receiving that type of training regardless of whether they're going to carry a firearm enough in the realm of disparate types of punishment that are given to black and brown on kids then. I think that that implies train is you should be the order of the day. Put a gun in the classroom where a teacher now is fearful of a large black black student large hispanic large white student. Whatever in student then feels as if once again to the teachers facing a teacher now feels that he has now another tool at his disposal to taking matters into his own hands and he could be vindicated because he's under stand your ground law or in many in a particular state of connecticut. I would assume something similar in the state of florida where if two students are a fighting then the teacher can legally use forces to break them up to to stop them from fighting in order to stop one student from attacking another student student. Teachers usually have that ability to use force physical force putting his hands on wants to in order to stop another student from attacking other one from the teacher or break up students from provider. That's the legal justification for why and when a teacher can use force now you you put that into a committee. Put a gun into the classroom. I think that these all can be recipes for disaster. Don't think they're very wise and very well thought through. I'm quite sure that they talked to all these type. Type of measures democrats try to bring these type of measures to their attention and i don't think that it's good. I'm not in favor of putting guns in the classroom. According to this article the teachers wet the past one hundred and forty four hour training session before they could be our employees at forty states sixty seven counties have already enrolled or plan to enroll in this sir training course right so you can go to the national conference of state legislatures and you can read about different states. There's nineteen states that have if you get special special permission from the school authority which connecticut is one. I remember that because that's ryan nineteen states people in those particular states can carry weapons firearms onto school grounds if you'd get permission from the school administrators. There's four four states. Were all you need is concealed carry school employees. There's they're six to eight guys that i also teach chess joining with a friend of mine teaches chess at a local high school. Now i local grammar school k three school. It's very discomforting for me to walk around the school without my firearm outright. I use the care all the time. I can't carry on angle that school. If i get special permission than i can hear my concealed carry permit instated can also from police officer carrying earned her at legislation as well depending on where you live at this growing trend. Were there arming teachers. They want teachers arm. They want someone in the school. Aren't i think the best way to do it is to make sure that in order to keep schools and students safe is to have have an armed security guard they think that that is deterrent in and of itself now. You have to make sure that that security guard is going to do his job. There was the former her s._r._o. Park shooting is just been charged with three counts queenslanders report failure to protect students arrested held a hundred two thousand another bond because he did not go to school and to help to eliminate the threat but into that terrible on his party had to these people are gonna so let me i just finished this up. Wrap this up and say okay so we take. We took a look at the problems that i think that is going on number one. We have a definition problem. We don't know what we're talking about in. This skews is all the research if you're pro gun if you're pro pro gun then we don't know how many mass shootings are going on. We don't know how many masculine going out because the definitions change change the outcome isn't a mass shootings active shooter of the active shooter. That definition is out there as well. The situation is currently wrapping evolving where somebody's shooting yeah people injuring and killing people so that these definitions are have had to be ironed out so we can all understand what we're talking about. This is not a phenomenon is non united states talked about psychology ecology <unk> young males agreed for whatever reasons for a number of reasons. They're taking out their frustrations on the public eye and you wanna wanna go to a restaurant the able to sit peaceably without loved one and that happened not half the duck indoor table of lock yourself in the bathroom run screaming shouting out so something needs to be done. What about this years. After the virginia tech shooting legislatures begin to change their mind in the state of virginia that to virginia beach just last couple of weeks ago oh and then they also had jim detect up by two thousand seven so now they're saying okay now right. Now we're ready to do something about this. Is why don't we respect and love for congress because has a can't seem to get it done. They along party lines. Always it's just ridiculous to protect our children. We <unk> society. We have to do something we have to do. Something kudos to the legislation passed bump stock laws and have taken some type of legislation to do background checks and things like that. You was the public keep pushing. Keep writing your legislatures. Keep writing members of congress. Let them know what you want done. Let them know what you want done if they don't get these things done vote them out of office. You can't continue to stick around on no one's gonna take your guns. No one's going going going going after these now. I really wanna talk about that hard to this series. No one's out to take them. That's just sad adam pathetic that that's going to push for legislation to do something about it continued reading research. I hope i gave you guys good information today. What should i do during mass shootings. Let's discussed that just for a couple of seconds here. Which should i do during mass shooting right. I'm at the mall store. I'm at a restaurant and what should i do think that if you have the right to carry a firearm i think he should to carry firearms and say that is explicit. I think that if you have the right to carry a firearm debut not under any type of restrictions or indictments protective orders jury member member of society in good standing. I think they should carry a file. Why should you carry a firearm white so you'll become a victim of robbery won't become a victim of some punk. You won't become a victim of awesome mass shooter so that's that's. That's a really really big reason right. Yeah i think you can also take control of a situation. I think that you should be now. This is all you have to do it. If you don't have the temperament to do it right then i think that that should be taken into consideration for every type of person who tries to get a gun right. They ought to have a psychological. The value is to get a gun permit. Not just the the question is often that have you ever been hospitalized in the last few weeks or month or year or so <hes>. I don't think that answers the question of of one's mental stats right because people are getting guns who have never been hospitalize in going out shooting people so the so i think so be some type of psychological evaluation prior to receive a gun permit and prior to being able to actually purchase a weapon but that's a discussion for another day so if you're in a place in the situation in something breaks out then of course i. I think you should shelter in place if you can't run out the back door if you can listen there is no way to do it. If you can't get away get away you can lock yourself in a place to lock yourself in the place. Obviously get low protect your loved ones and things like that but there is no definitive way an answer as to what you can should be doing if and when you're in a situation wear a shooter comes in know your procedures if you work in a business corporation or your business business will corporation. No you're procedures if they they have an active shooter drill follow that too the t to the ladder. If you live work for a company in they don't have some type of active shooter scenario asked them to put put one implement one for you you can coordinate with your local police department aunt or some probably some gun agency and they can help you walk do what you should and should not do during an active shooter in and how you can stay safe every place of business mall hospital a library. Whatever should have some type of plan for an active shooter to have plans for fire drills now. This is what we have to plan for. I don't think that this is good. This phenomenon going away as i read from from the rand corporation dot o._r._g. <hes> we don't know if it's going away. We don't know if it's a we. We don't know if it's increasing staying staying the same way. Why don't we know because the definitions change because they're looking for different. Criteria to two people are dead. Three people are dead well. We got one person dead but twenty people injured by gunfire well. That doesn't really count. We're not gonna. We're not gonna look at that so we really had to define what we're talking about here. What's again if you're you're in a situation. If you work for business corporation follow the rules that they have we don't work in a place and they don't have some type of emergency type drill fire drills active shooter droves then you should ask them to coordinate with your local police department in order to do that and so that's ladies and gentlemen hope you guys enjoyed his podcast. Let me know what i'm doing right. Let me know what i'm doing wrong. Let me let me hear from you can reach the hunter police consulting gmail.com hunter police consulting g._o. Dot com twitter captain l holter instagram big l hunter moss on facebook lawrence hunter hunter police <unk> training dot com also on facebook hunter police consulting hunter the police training is my website just visit me on that. Let me know what i'm doing right. Let me know what i'm doing wrong still in business. You have a promotional opportunity coming up. Let me know let me hear from you and that's his jumping on talk to you next time. We're gonna continue to gun violence from next chapter. We're going to look at his what i believed to be the racist history the gum protection protection and who can who can cannot have a weapon at firearm and look in the second and all that kind of stuff so that's it ladies and gentlemen take care talk to buy <music>.

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44: How To Choose Great People

Business Unusual with Barbara Corcoran

11:45 min | 1 year ago

44: How To Choose Great People

"Hey, this is Barbara Corcoran. And you're tuned into business unusual throw a Harvard degree and listen to me. Gotta learn more today. I'm going to answer all your burning questions about work life starting accompany getting on track and much much more be sure to call into the business unusual hotline with your question at eight Barbara that's eight eight eight B A R B R A. But I the seems to be a pattern the questions I've been getting lately from young entrepreneurs new in business. I can report that everyone seems to be happy. They got started. And they love doing with the doing, but the most common complaints that. I'm hearing is about someone they've hired befell short didn't measure up someone that feeling disappointed about a need to fire. So I thought maybe I would dole out a little advice here on how to choose the right people because I think I'm pretty good at it. The biggest problem building any businesses. Always the people. What do you think businesses made out of a lot of people might say dollars and cents? I say absolutely not. It's all something built on the hearts and souls and good efforts of a lot of people. So the most important decisions in your life, actually, having to do with your business and going way beyond your businesses deciding who you wanna let in who you want to surround yourself with not includes employee's business partners, spouses and friends, I'm very particular about people, I think maybe way way way too particular about people, but I know myself knowing that I've learned to be really particular about who I let into my life. I've learned to ask myself a few simple questions before deciding who I'm going to let in or lock out, and let me share those questions with you the first question, I asked myself when I'm hiring someone to work with is do I like and trust this person that comes long before are they capable of doing the job. It's a gut decision. And if I don't feel it in my bones and my stomach. I don't choose them. I don't even look to make an excuse to myself because when I don't feel right this usually a very good reason for it, even if I can't put my finger on it. Because the way I see it our gut instinct is a concentrated dose of our lifetime of experiences. So why shouldn't I trust it without explanation? So I'm out right away. If I don't trust someone I just don't hire them in my business. If I don't like them. Maybe that sounds trite plot don't hire them either. Why would I wanna work with someone? I don't mind. And if I'm hiring someone at my work, I always try to size up. How smart and how loyal they are? Why smart? Because smart people will push you ahead and create more opportunity than you could ever do on your own and you'll say excited about it. And why loyal because if you have someone who's phenomenal working with you that you really like and then not loyal by nature. If you're gonna lose them, and that's a heartbreaker, so I need to see the natural loyalty in an individual. And the one trait that I should have perhaps mentioned right up front is that I have to hire happy people. I learned long ago that if I hire an unhappy person, there's nothing I can do that's going to change him. Why if their parents should make them happy by the age of twenty one what am I going to do to change that and make them happy people when it comes to making friends, of course, I need happy people this enough stuff that happens to you in life that you don't need to welcome on happy people around you to make you miserable. Forget it. But the second most important trait in any friendship is big heartedness big-heartedness automatically comes with a bundle of breach rates big hearted. People generous the empathetic, and they always have your back. And what could you ask for more in a good friend asking these simple questions have never let me a straight? And as a result. I'm here to tell you I have a life. That's chock full of super friends and super Cali. You're listening to business unusual with Barbara Corcoran. Hey, Mario Lopez here. And I really hope you can check out my new podcast. Listen tomorrow. Lt am going to be having some really cool casual in-depth conversations with a lot of amazing and fascinating people some of your favorite celebrities, everyday heroes. Newsmakers even some of my friends and a few of my family members. Definitely inside of me that you've never seen before. So please, listen and subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. And now it's time to answer your questions on business unusual. Hi, barbara. This is Lindsay with idea by your out of Columbus, Ohio. I am calling to ask your opinion on early stage product preneurs using social media to gain or built their brand recognition. And then what advice you would give them on how to do that? Thanks so much first of all flimsy. I have to say you've got to simplify your language here. Because I'm having a hard time figuring out what the question is. I don't know what product preneurs are pretty fancy, nor do I think many people do. So gotta done this thing down. But it seems like you're asking about marketing a product before you have the thing ready to sell if I'm right on that. Here's my answer. One thing you should be aware of today's you can certainly sell your product long before you even have it in hand. I have seen so many success stories doing this exactly in and out of shark tank. But let me give you an example from shark tank that I think gives you a perfect. Sample of how easily this can get done. When I met the comfy brothers on shark tank selling their product named the comfy which is a simple sweatshirt blanket halfway between the two product only had in hand were two prototypes. So with the two prototypes. In hand. They showed it to us. I didn't know at first they had no product beyond that they had no idea what they would sell it for. They had no idea what was going to cost to produce really not a very good business proposal. But what they were great at social media, and they were persuasive that they were gonna drive sales through social media because it was both of those brothers backgrounds. So they came on the set with a catchy little jingle in. They signed to us. And they want us all over because we're natural born sales people and they had the two prototypes. In hand. That's it. Okay. Here. We are one year later the most successful business of ever vested in shark tank. I got forty. Percent of that business for fifty thousand dollars. What a deal and today their sales are already going past thirty million dollars less than twelve months later end of story. That's it. So if I read you question, right, use social media or get really good at it. If you want to sell a product low before you have it. Hi, barbara. My name is Jenna. And I'm from Virginia Beach Virginia the question I'd like to ask is the being made fun of in school Schicker confidence. Cause I was made fun of. And it really shook mine if that's the case, how do you overcome that? Thank you. And I can't wait to hear from you. So Jenna, I hear you loud and clear, and I feel your pain, you know, when your kid and your made fun of you have no way to defend yourself. And so it's always a huge bloody a conference I discovered the word shame in the classroom because I think I felt ashamed every single day every hour of the classroom experience. And when I still think back at it. I'm right back there, like seventy years old all over again. It's a hard one to get over. Because the injury remains very raw. But here's the good news. Listen hard. I am convinced that today. Most of my success is a result of that bad experience because I'm driven and out to prove to the world every day of my life that I am not stupid when people in my dull life have put me down or talk down to me or dismissed me having that early experiences fabulous because I've had it, and I've learned to step up and speak up and use my bigger mouth to stand my place, get it. And so that's a huge advantage for you to stay stock in where you were as a kid without using that whole in card to make hay and make money with and make success with your out of your mind because it's an asset that most kids can take claim to. I think what you have to do as grownup where we're I started making a change was in my early twenties. When I started replacing a very negative tape that automatically kick. In whenever I was afraid put down shamed. Brought back to that same experience and the tape always went the same way. It's kinda quite have come here. God, you know. I should've stayed in my office people love me in my office. Why am I putting myself out here? I mean, who is this jerk. I hate them up about I can't do this. I'm not going to do this anymore and quit. All right. I declared war on quitting. You know what I do? Now. I replaced that tape one hundred and fifty percent with a new tape that goes like this. Listen, you jerk. You're actually talking down to me. You're actually not taking me seriously. You're actually believing that I can't compete with you. Just wait. I'm going to become your major rival. And it was that tape that I played again. And again in a cluttered competitive field on till it was so much my own that it would kick right in. And I kicked the asks of whoever was looking down at me. So if you're one of those kids that are rough start no problem, you paid your price. But my God take advantage of it as a grownup and get even. And that's all the questions. We have time for today. 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Episode 147 - Mike Glover

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Episode 147 - Mike Glover

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He is an ex army green beret also known as special forces. He then was a CIA contractor Watt and then of course got out and started feel craft survival. I we talked for three and a half hours I'm not even going to try to explain what we talked about. All I can say. As I'm looking forward to round three. So let's get into round two episode number one, Forty, seven with the man himself Mike Glover enjoy. A smoke. Norfolk. Worship. Small? Thank God for Youtube. They for Youtube and Google right yeah. I spent hours I the first thing of course I was what does Joe Rogan have in his studio and there is Five. Web Pages dedicated Lee that all the details to so just to Chink Chink Chink and then I, also I'm going to be honest i. have a slight advantage. I just got a hold Jamie his producer and said, hey so what do I need to do and he means he wrote me out a list as Roger that Mike and Beware. If you send me some crazy shit I'm going to buy some crazy shit. Please just give me the bare essentials. I don't need the Millennium Falcon like you guys have. Man. This is cool because it ties into this bad ass would table which is made from wood and Montana, with a dude that I do Jujitsu with who like fully crafted guy cut down trees at my house where we did the first podcast. Put this whole thing together and like the legs of it has got some metal. that his buddy did it's awesome. So this is from your property. The would is not from my property, but the I wish I think. I don't know shit about with, but I think you have to let it season for. Two So this is older but Like the living at it it's awesome and I love the craftsmanship and artisan shift of some of the people up here. Love it man it's unbelievable I. Love It. I just did a post on a cowboy hat that I get from billings Montana thought what so awesome wasn't it? Like twenty years old to have. That was the the hat I was actually holding was a charcoal color, but it was twenty one years old and Patina like it doesn't. Even. Look like that. When you buy a new, it looks gray but that hat looked like it was brand new almost. Yeah. The the condition of after twenty one years like ranch living I'm my damn and eat three of them I, didn't get three thousand a piece by got one. Yeah, and then I was looking the only thing I think I deviated from with Joe was the arms holding the microphones because you often see them coming up and Angle Yeah I like this because it's straight across, we can see and there's no I've had four people in here before and there's no. There's no issue with looking across to making eye contact Shit? Interface. Yeah I don't like that either yeah. So it was low Yeah, then that I basically just spend a Lotta time on the Internet and Amazon Dot Com or do you have these mics or these headphones into filter? They. Okay. So it goes down through the table. Yeah. Have you ever heard measure twice cut once yes. Okay. So we. Drilled the holes for these young directly into the metal beams that are supporting the table because we didn't measure. We eyeballed it which is why they have these little. You know little plug there between. Speaks digital cable. Yeah. So Cameron just like fuck. Me Just made this table in the first thing we did was drill hole rattlers. which is like a new car, right? You might as well. You need to like Oh we need to do with a new car is flip your knife open like chip the paint somewhere can calm down because. Let's see over it's over with. So within this table being this room for twenty minutes, we had drilled two holes in the wrong place. which he plugged amazingly. So everything goes down and then around behind you and it goes through. Our headphones are on. spot by behind the chair, you might not be able to see it. Yeah. But the mics and stuff all goes into a I don't know what to call it anymore. It's the headphones it's just a boost. Yeah and then everything else you know you have to have the interface between the digital signal, end the computer, which is the red box underneath, and then I just were recorded live I use audition because I. Don't know much about anything I, find it to be the easiest program to use. And this this set of ghetto. Cell phone turned around and just like record disabled I not doing that. But I'm doing what I started. The same thing. I had a little Mike with the little pop filter in Zoom, and then I went from that to the road cast or which we're using last time as you know what? I have nothing else to do during this time period might as well. I'm going to try to I'm going to try this is like your firebase you're just upgrading. Well, there's one thing that's left. That's coming, and that is the Guinness calculator. And I think I'm going to have cameron drill one more whole and I think I'm going to put the tap directly there. That would be bad. But do you know of any other podcasts city that has an actual alcohol dispensing device on table? Yeah. So you'll have to get up no I WANNA make sure that everybody is going to be economic right? Everybody needs to have the chance to reach it. So we'll just go the Guinness coming directly out of the table are sponsored by Guinness no no, it's a reverse sponsorship I think I turned the lights on and off with them. It's so man, it's delightful. It's like in an ice cream in a can. I love. Well, first of all I love Calisto and whitefish like this area. Yeah. Do such such an amaz-. It's like for me. It's like literally feels like therapy if you know how you like you're in. You're in bog. Room. and. A whole bunch of shit which doesn't feel like therapy. It doesn't at all I feel like overwhelmed and then you get to the firebase and everything's quiet. That's how I feel like the the helicopter just dropped me off and I thank God him home, and it feels like that here man I love it here although unfortunately, obviously, you got to see it. Once. Without this ridiculous smoke this smoke just showed up yesterday i. saw that I was in Bozeman, I, looked at it last night. What does that smoke from I think I think we still have a westerly wind. So I believe it's blowing in from the western states while man those guys are been, they're getting old man crushed and the thing is this valley it's. The people will talk about it like Oh, the valleys a bubble, and they're talking about like socioeconomic stuff, which is true. Yeah. But it's also a weather bubble because there's mound on the West item on the east side. So this stuff that there's a high pressure. Just get smashed and he'll be like this for a few days. It was hot as hell yesterday here it's an it'll be like that again today I couldn't believe it. It was hotter. Or is actually hotter here than it was Bozeman and then Utah were drove from and also how does that work like how does how does that work words hotter here in this little pocket than it is anywhere else I have no further like near Canada we're near Canada. We are sixty miles as the crow flies from Canada well, but they won't let us in right now. Yeah. The invisible enemy is shutting the gates. I. Mean I think they have commerce going back and forth. Yeah. But you just can't go over. I. Don't think you can go you. Basically kick around for tourism. That's so dumb. The invisible threat I saw the stay vigilant. Twitter the CDC do you see that yet? This the CDC dropped the I can't keep track of the number of times that the CDC is going back home. They said, well, they said a smoke. Is Not. Going to help you from. And I'm like, how does that work and there's dudes justifying they're saying they're talking about droplets water like the droplets of water is the virus and measured in nanometers. That's what they're talking about. They're not talking about literal drops of water. They're talking about droplets of Saliva, which is ninety nine point, four percent of Arizona's droplets, ads, droplets, and so there it's not going to protect you from smoke particles or particulates, but it will protect you from Kovin, and everybody was like what in that hope that tweet doesn't have a lot of interaction engagement and straight from CDC. What's up with that? Let's be honest. If. That implies that everybody is dishonest. I mean. So I did A. Couple podcasts with Brian Bishop a buddy, my marine corps in an inflame the Internet to degree we were chatting about masks. My thing is if masks if it really. If it was incredibly important. They would tell you what type to where they wouldn't say it could be a t shirt or a SCARF ORASAC over your face worship correct. It's like come on they either they either matter or they don't matter. True. So what is actually going on here? Yeah we give me give me pause to think yeah. Would you remember when it originally came out? Everything was it's not all the experts came out and they're like it's not gonNA work mass don't work and I was actually like but wait a minute like the nurses where mask I know in ninety five mask do like, why would you even put that out? Wait a minute, and then all of a sudden mass where the thing and then all those experts recanted their statements and I'm like, dude, what is going on now and I supply and demand as you may be an I buy into that maybe but the fact that The handkerchief is going to be called a mask or a skiing buff over your neck or people just t shirts around their face. It's like come on. You can't tell me that that all works effectively the same way I had a lady sitting next to me I I have a DVD more right said you probably do from getting smashed in the face so many times and or shooting cargoes doffs until your nose bleeds. that. Routinely. So this this lady was next to me and I couldn't breathe and I kept telling my mass just breathe through my nose and take a breath in my mouth in put it back over on the plane and she's like you need to get what I got and she'll she pulls out. Her mask and it looks like a pair of lace like it looks like panties and it's the lace portion of like I guess stocking or pennies it this what you're describing may have started its life as panties I it literally could have been panting like she could have pulled them out of her pants, but she goes us this and I'm like but that's not even because nobody mad it doesn't matter if they don't even say anything I'm just going to do that I'm GonNa make a mascot of like a fishing net this. The big fishing. The fish. It's a mask man. Yeah, and then there's Listening. To the World War canceling Halloween that's the one day where you wear a mask. Yeah, and for kids I do it for the children. I mean at least for the kids I, actually spent far too long. On the Internet trying to find a stormtrooper mask yes I was gonNA wear until I grocery stores just to mock. Oh. Yeah and I'm not mocking people dying everybody calm the fuck down I. Am WanNa have fun with Shit Sandwich that we're all eating. So why can't I wear a stormtrooper mask? And people like you have to wear West Lake obviously I am. I'm I'm GONNA wear a full suit, Assu Cape Capes or the barriers between us code. It's pretty crazy man God. You're a stat guy to you saw the was at six percent. I don't know if I'd call myself a stat guy but I. Love Hard Science and math axe I like facts math hard science statistics, i. You know what's funny is Talking to you about that, and then even listening to Joe and you guys it's it's interesting because. I've always been that kind of guy dip but on a big stage, you guys are doing that and that's important because so many people hypothe- and I've seen you check people with stat I think my hand I can't bring some some grimy. Shit. I can't show up like Hypotheticals. Have some analytics fine. What I'm talking about I like that though I'm all about pathetic as long as the conversation is framed around this being hypothetical, we can work your way through these ideas I love the economy and Commerce of ideas. But I also think as an individual like if I, sit down and have a conversation with somebody I feel like I need to have an understanding of where my position comes from. Yeah, and it's okay if your position comes from emotion but just don't confuse that with your position coming from something that is based again in the hard science or math. Or fact, yeah especially your arguing right and you're trying to convince people of it to get get on my team at least that that's what I can't remember her this recently. But I'll listen to audio books like you guys on the road and I'm just inundated with information but there was guy talking about layers of communication. Oh, as Tim Tim Kennedy, somebody ten, and he was talking about how he wants people to talk like if you really want as a Beta point, big listener be an advocate for being a good listener because the more somebody talks the more their story becomes a like it comes unfolded and if you're if you're faking the funk, we know this because like. In the military everybody sees that it's very transparent and you want that. So you WANNA debate or you want to suppress keep talking, and let's see what your true arguments are. Let's see at the root of it what you love how framed it too. So stupid people to keep talking I noticed him. Yes. It's so true. We gotta be big. Are you GonNa let me talk a lot on this don't. You can say whatever you want I. Actually I mean the first podcast we did with the Internet ablaze us all that. Yeah. So I think this one will probably. Go organically to start that kick that off. Here's the thing I've learned. Awesome conversations will happen if you don't hit record right away, worst thing that could happen takes up a megabyte recording device. That's true. Hit the road. We're on it right now we've been on for like Tony Love. So. I got great feedback from that and especially with the conversation that we had about killing people unusual. Hundreds of messages from people who and most of them they they followed a similar trend one. They were shocked that we were able to openly talk about it from that perspective, and secondly, they were thankful that we pulled the veil back on that. Yeah. A little bit and it wasn't something that I had and actually had a few friends reach out to me and say that's the first time you've ever opened up on that topic and I was thinking about it's like have I ever? Do I intentionally avoid it? and. It was no i. just you gotta you gotTa have the right person to have that conversation with absolutely. I think we it the same exact thing happened to me where I thought about it and said Oh. I've had those conversations but with team dudes that were standing next to me at the time. Yeah. Like where we are comparing notes or saying, Hey, would do you how do you remember that night and it was always at an afterthought but in hindsight looking back at our conversation between two guys who have different experiences in that environment and people are privy to that conversation it's gotTa be unique I I has to be a an odd thing I feel bad for them I get like. Understanding like our mindset and not realizing that we're not as normal. which took me a while in the transition. It's civilian life realizing that you may not think your normal I am this single most normal person I know. I don't have any problems at all. No residual no baggage. I hear I'm totally saying I the rumors. Yeah. I don't distrust humanity and human beings at all I. Just look at everything is fucking rainbows and gumdrops. Yeah. I'm not what you would call paranoid at all when you. Pay More coming into your driveway like this is totally normal. Disarm to why are your trees painted different colors at hundred yard increments. I don't know. It was interesting. Listening to Tim on Joe's podcast and for people who haven't listened to it I highly recommend that they do like I said, before we started, I'm always incredibly impressed with SF special forces specifically the ability to articulate the mission set like the way Tim broke down everything from J. set to the. Program's going over security the by with and through all of that stuff. I think sof and Moshe I don't know if we impact last I'm SF specifically green beret ODA types of a lot of people would just say SF and I think they're talking about. That from people listening would be soft special operations forces. I would say in my experience that the SF. Community. Is Amazing job explaining the mission set in that understanding better. So I would say the Committee for sure 'cause we're more like smash rock. Or turn turn rock pebbles pebbles into dust were very good at the had on. Why is that? You know culturally or is it is it actually got training thing now but look at we were talking to this last Robin Sage, there's no robin sage for our community it should be there should be but also at the same time, your community and the community I came from, they droop slightly from different origins and I think they drew they went in that direction and it's interesting because you know the UBT, the the predecessors of the seal team's. These men who had fucking balls that you need wheel barrels. Yeah. To carry around her ud t shirts. Yeah. Their primary weapon was a slate on their arm in a lead line. So they could go measure fathoms they would just go in before and Fabius invasions covered an axle grease which I've never cover myself and axel grease. They used to do that before themselves and excellent before wetsuits they were trying to put like a petroleum layer on for warmth. Is they're rolling in I mean you know you t shirts? Oh Yeah. Most unacceptable. The tire for any human being ever super uncomfortable. Yes. So they would throw that on. Jacques Cousteau dive mask, and they would go out and they would survey the beaches looking for you know the the. avenues in they would look for obstacles they would blow up schools. and. They would do that prior to an invasion they. So like a k bar knife on their leg and their whole thing is they were just measuring water because there's and we did this training, they were tying knots. There's a knot tied at every fathom mark on a piece of string and you just swim along the beach and you measure it you write it down on a fucking grease pencil on your arm. Predecessors sealed. So it came from that world then to Vietnam where switched from ud t to the teams. And then. I just think our pipeline it never like I don't ever remember early on in our career the term I remember hearing the term and I knew what it was, but it was never our primary mission set or you know advise and assist or going with the partner force and I think the origin and I'm speaking from outside so you can correct me but I think the origin of SF is more in that direction. Yeah, and so I think at a cultural pipeline level. Deeper but the ability I'm so impressed with him because the ability to articulate those things in my opinion makes you so much better at the execution because he defined at a granular level, the role, and if you can do that, you know exactly what your job is and you're going to be so much better overseas he's super intelligent and I've actually was within the same unit sniper school together and did a whole bunch of stuff and he's always been kind of that guy. And I think you're right part of it is the training pipeline like they teach us Indian P, the military decision making process they harp on planning in the five paragraph operations order we do. We do even in small unit tactics you're you're learning patrolling and all the things that you do in the woodland. You're still having to plan this along the way and as an I mean I want to render school when I was eighteen years old and operations orders, which was the scariest thing for me because patrolling is easy yet reacting to contact bottle drills that's easy but standing in front. Of Senior NCO's that are going to ranger school as well as a PFC, a private first class, and then having to a plan that was beat into you because it's either like you swim or you drown in I, think you're right in that kind of stuff is is heart but I've seen some dumb SF guys but just like some I've seen some dumb sealed seal dudes who look at foreign internal defense who go. I don't ever want to do that, and then I go man and they just fucked up by saying that because that. Afghanistan, two, thousand, ten, my last tour there. It was as far away from the DA direct action. That's one thing that we have to do. Did you get a bunch e mail saying I didn't understand anything you guys were talking about because all acronyms yeah. So we've got to do our best. People a literally like you asshole, put a glossary on the podcast description I'm sorry man like we were talking about Shit da raid. Yeah, direct. It'd be you know you're you're literally going to compound or a village in. Trying to find fix and finish somebody in a location essentially. Okay. So That I think is what most people to include myself wanted to do in their career. But as battlespace as mature like, oh I F one O e f One da centric or you oh, I F. Five six, seven, eight, nine, ten, probably still da centric in the six, seven, eight, nine time period on that you went over the hill and it became partner forced by through with Afghanistan exactly the same thing. So I go back in two, thousand and ten. And You know were out it fob Naba Har-. With a partner force mandatory one to one partner force either a or A and P. And some people were really resistant to it like this is stupid. You know I don't want to do this. This isn't what I signed up for your moron. If you understand fit or the partner force, it's the key that unlocks yes. The Connecticut aspect later on that's how you get on the target correct. It's like come on man this is our chessboard. Now let's look at our pieces and we had an incredibly kinetic. deployment because we smartly played the pieces that were in front of us, I think uncut unconventional warfare, and irregular warfare also bread in the relationships that you build with host nation forces. So it's all access in placement. If you're if you're involved in day to day operations that might be training, what you're able to do is all the. Second third tertiary. Elements that are required and building up the packet. I? Guess for commission warfare to be able to do the advanced Ford operations to prepare the battle for the call this operational prepare preparation, the environment O, P, which is all the things you need to do to set that place up where when it falls apart if it falls apart which most likely it will then you're prepared to go into war and that's like that's green beret one, a one which is foreign terminal defense is that access placement and our member in six working with the seals they're all young seals most of them. Were their leadership did they were there at five and four? but they were like we don't need to fit. I'm like counter terrorism foreign internal defense is the way of the means to get in the fight trust me and we started they started picking up on it more and they T- I saw young twenty two years old take a lot of pride and teaching seek you be teaching, and then they're honing their own skill sets because when you teach that's. How well, you actually know some hundred percent you become a better practitioner of the skill sets that your teacher asked my favorite question people say, why do you do this? It's like Because the guy who taught me told me to do it wrong answer. Yeah. Incorrect answer. Yeah. A lot of people. Yeah and obviously, if you're an instructor and somebody asked you that and you don't know the as you shut the fuck up this question to answer time. But that's just a that's a bullshit move because then you need to go figure out what it is. Yeah go ask you. He's like what was this? Yeah. Hey. I just had to crush studio fast tell them to shut up does anybody know the answer one, hundred percent and? Yeah I'm a big fan of of fit always has been but understanding its role because I. I mean I was guy everybody who's young we were all point. Doors and shoot people in the face like you can get there man and by the end of my career. As a even as a start major teams aren't it was. if I could facilitate the kill, which is sounds like desperation Kinda was like even if we can silicate to kill guys and try to motivate and they're like facilitate, you mean like setting the parameters like Yay. Intel and the SDR's anything we could do oh God the sucks but just the evolution of war but it's also I think. The long term strategy to win the US military? Yes. We can't commit everywhere that we need to an talking about that too. What happens if? Why were there stability and security and that's one of the biggest things. That I wish people would because I hear this, all the time as I'm sure everybody does who pays attention the complaints about the foreign policy of the United States were interventionalist route. They're in basically repeating what Tim is saying you know we're out there policing the world and and that's not the point and that's not what we're trying to do. We're trying to facilitate these people in the countries that they're in policing themselves. Yeah, and that's the long term strategy because. I mean. Let's just at the special operations community. Imagine if they had to keep the OP tempo for the two, thousand, two, thousand and ten time. It would grind people into dust I don't think it's possible. I don't think they could manage it I. Don't think they're prepared for that kind of I don't even know what you call that the the second and third order affects of that it would crush people physically physiologically emotionally. Broke jet like when I think about six seven and eight, even just those three years. That warm out I mean that I loved it and we I was super pompton motivated about life and will never get those years back but I look back on those years in a my man do we're like the OP tempo for that of like even back, the my five rotation I did nine months in Afghanistan a base and I came back and spent two months home and then went straight to work for for some stuff didn't came home went to sniper school went to freefall school, and then went straight back to Iraq again in like I, don't remember how life in my. Twenties how could you didn't I didn't don't. Yeah. That's why I'm trying to make up for it now as an old man, how much did you love that time period? You're like Oh, my God on I thought I was dabbing out away I'm like this. You're a way for us to live this as our lives you know and that is how you would be dead at thirty five of adrenal failure that's true and yeah just completely and utterly smoked. Yeah. Yeah and I think I remember commands star Major Fairus who was the at the time he might have been Jay sock. Or So calm CSM and he said we are going to make sure we take care of the guys and he started the Red Amber Green. Cycle and he's he said mandatory time home at lasted a couple months. He's like oh the wheels fall off. Let's. Let's go back to war. Well I think one of the most insidious parts of that is that the guys If. You give them the choice they'll put the gas pedal to the floor Oh yeah and I think it was I was talking with Jason Silva in he was just saying the job always suffers last. And I saw myself if I'm being totally honest and I look back. I when I was overseas. Stoked and when I was home, I was thinking about overseas and what I needed to do to go back over there. And Chit would fall off mail like a wheel coming off but the lug notes the allowed bolt on a little bit. and. Just put it to the side because the job suffers last and then you end up with is, let's say you twenty started eighteen you have a thirty eight year old early in life early in life create incredible military accomplishments. Intelligent but probably physically and psychologically at the tail end of. What they can tolerate. Yeah, and I don't think that's healthy for people at all and you couldn't stop him in the middle of that because that's what they WANNA do yeah I don't know the solution for that I. Don't think there is one I I listened to You see the one of the special missions units, a Cag- medal of honor, Pat. Pain. And I see. So, I knew pat pain when I was there and Pat Pains Rockstar it feels weird saying his name openly but is he still in he still in? Okay. Yeah. That's So there's there's rumors. Like pat, pains and Eighteen Year Guy Right. Now he's got a young guy. Pat Pain When we're together in Afghanistan, he got enemy fragmentation. He's the kind of guy who got injured went home with another guy often objective worth thirty, six enemy combatants killed. No casts all small arms. Big Gunfight. to I think two guys were wounded from from getting shot and then two guys were wounded from fragmentation loss a dog on that objective. He goes home for a couple of weeks and fights to get back and gets back. He's that kind of Guy Wins Best Ranger and two, thousand twelve. And then is just a rockstar and then on this hit in two thousand fifteen, you know selflessly he's run the bolt cutters he's he gets called he's to icy gets called up there in a gunfight the guys that are in a hallway it's one of the teams that are in the Hallway I was actually on the CIA side of this in Erbil at the time and they go to cut the bolt cutters and they can't get through because the smoke inhalation. So this is a partnered force operation by that or bilateral, which means you're operating with the one. Unilateral American force in typically a host nation force and the smoke inhalation is causing them to not be able to get through the chain and all the hostages are locked behind the door and so isis in the gunfights and everything they're clocking off their best the buildings on fire they're in a gunfight the guys I can't remember I wouldn't say what team it was, but one of the teams was inside the hallway and they're down that last magazine. In this gunfight, he comes he exposes himself to gunfire trust to unlock it switches out with one of the Iraqi a partner forces. He can't get it. He takes a breath comes back in again and then unleashes it not only do they free seventy plus hostages who most of them were Ziti, a Christian Iraqis, which is common to see a Kurdish people they break out and they set up a human wall to shield them as they're running off the ex on in the middle of the gunfight trying to get to the helicopters and you know in in the in historical terms, it is the. Hostage Rescue. Successful Office rescue conducted in the modern global war on terror probably by a magnitude, huge magnitude hostage rescues where he rescued sink of Iraqi deal like a dozen people but sat on them what you're looking for a single person. Yeah. Absolutely. The the Italian job is a good one to two guys. So not good movie as a total of. Youtube video. But all these guys and gals get off they they get rescued. And that's just like I hate to say this. But that's like a normal day like when you're doing a da hit all the technical things that are going on the stress that you're processing. The literal life of operate operator in that unit or special operations is living their life through technical means like an appeal V perspective and those things that are happening. Everyday routines except you know in this case pat pain sergeant major pain when above and beyond But I would argue that lots of guys in tiered units and special operations go above and beyond and our never ever recognize recognized ever and and nothing to say because it pat pain deserves that. But here's what I know about pain in the context of what we're talking about originally. Is He's wearing that medal master start Josh Wheeler who was a rock star in that unit was killed tragically in a gunfight his because last words were on me because he was a t. l. at the time and got killed in a gunfight and when you look at the award, which is the medal of honor. and. You look at the responsibility he's going to bear that responsibility. He's GonNa take that. But now he's no longer operational and no right now he's he's he's going back and forth with the Department of the army as he should be to lead because he wants to lead you know there's a rumor he might WanNa WanNa lead special operations units. That that's the kind of leader we need and the military but those kind of guys exist all over the special operations community from ranger. Regiment. All the way to the tier one forces and they do these kind of things every single day and none of them want valor awards because if you get honor that's taking you out of the fight now he has to he he's at thirty year A. Guy He's got twelve years where they pull them out of the fight he at the prime of his career because he's still young dude, the NAS wants to still be in the fight and now he's not GonNa. Let Him. Yeah I, think they did the same thing with Ed buyers. He got allege Afghanistan is actually hostage rescue as well. It was it was wasn't it? It was Afghanstan Afghanistan yeah. It's What would be the polite way to put this? It's too risky. For the United States military or the government. To lose that individual if they were to go back, they become they become too valuable and don't say this negatively towards the person who's receiving the award because I have nothing but respect but I feel like to a degree, they become too valuable the chess piece. And they're not willing to put them back on the board. Yeah. I feel that way to in a sense I think. I even say this way, but I think he has a broader responsibility now I agree with that too and I couldn't agree with your sentiments more than number of. Like. Things that I have seen the define bravery be so far beyond like the Webster's dictionary or valorous actions that went completely and utterly unrecognized because either nobody saw it. Where nobody said Shit about it? Yeah. Is Un- unbelievable? Yeah. Nobody cared because they were on to the next target there doing another tst or everybody else was doing exactly the same thing because that is. Yeah, it's hard to describe I. Thought I thought it was amazing that they recognized him for that effort. Yeah. Smoke inhalation is no joke. Oh Yeah. Not like outside right now. Yeah it's crazy. I. Have Only one experience with that. and. This is not to try to draw comparison between the MEL of story at all. This is a US being dumb fuck quits in Iraq. So this is. One. Right. We are still like we're so bad, ass. We know everything and then you backwards like Dumb we got very very lucky trying to figure it out. So we're role in downtown Baghdad I. Think we had borrowed kegs. panders or now what are the special vehicles that they have the painter? Anders so six or I don't know where we got them. But we were driving around in them. Sorry. Guys to death and We remember we roll up and we like L., D. outside of a compound breach went off. And there was a like a bucket of either gasoline or propane. Pretty proximal to the breach. So when it went off, it sprayed everywhere. and. I have never I've never been a firefighter I've never really seen a house kind of go up but the blackness of the smoke, and of course, looking back at this the people that we were uneven remember who you are after but I can tell you right now they didn't rise to the occasion where any of us should have gone inside of that building. Yeah. Of course we ran in. The Gore's I'm upstairs and it is so dark like I've always. Been Up. Until this point, you hear like if your house is on fire, just like just get out. Yeah. I couldn't see shit I was crawling on the floor to find the stairs like watching the black smoke come and breathing it into and I get down the stairs and it's the same thing. And as I run out. There is a fucking propane tank where the outside of the propane tank is on fire that we all ran passed on the way in great situational awareness. Oh. We just got out of there and I guess from the platforms dislike what's happened hang it's. That's crazy and I couldn't have done anything I could have been a tiger walking around in that room and I wouldn't have known it because I couldn't see anything so. When you were telling that story because I didn't know the specifics I'm like, oh my God I know exactly what you're talking about. That's scary too. It's superstar I as I remember going up the stairs and I made a left and I got about four steps and I'd literally just fell to the floor like I have to retrace my steps now. So obviously, we're outside like head odds lasers Oh everything. Oh, so you're blacked out. Done and get back out and of course, the only thing we need is a head count because we're getting the fuck out of there. But that was that was one of the most bizarre experiences that I ever had time I went into a building like that. But. I can only imagine trying to go and take a breath to run back inside to try to get people That's how ambassador Stevens was killed really smoking elation. So when when we are deployed in October Libya. the State Department now was big on looking at the circumstance they finally paying attention and we hit the ground and we looking at crisis action plans and hey, how can we mitigate this and one of the ways we one of the tactics they use was the tires they would set there were throwing the. Most horrendous smoke. Because if you have seen it all I've seen it in Yemen of ran over tires they're trying to burn in front of us a checkpoints, but it's common in the Middle East. Africa. And they let the tires on fire and push them through the slats in the in the compound walls that there were bars. So you couldn't they wedged them they wedged through there and then set them on fire, and basically you know will the tires inside but that smoke inhalation is is what cost ambassador Stevens? His life and you know unbeknownst to. The popularity of all the circulation of bullshit about him being you know raped and. Mutilated dot none of. That's true. He he died a smoke inhalation effect. The picture that you see of him being pulled out people would think those terrorists those are actually good people trying to trying to help him. You know inherently the Libyan people actually. Super Friendly. But. Aka. P. Rent remnants of terrorist organizations come in there and showed occupy that that that vacuum that was left behind but they're trying to help him and then he was evacuated and he died a smoking Latian man I can't that. That's scary man. You can see in that picture he's so ashen and always Allard I think I. I. Mean I would imagine if I had stayed standing I probably a couple of good breasts of that probably would have gone. Oh Yeah. So and you lose in in the thing is That's what happens you lose consciousness and then you're stuck in it, and then you're stuck in their breathing it, and then basically your oxygen levels did nothing just pass away you go to sleep you never wake up again. Thanks Yeah Scott people a hot tip if you see a propane tank that is burning outside. Maximize your distance from that propane. To people like with Special Operations The reeds palm trees, and smoke of any kind you can't see through night vision and laser you get your lights your infrared light will not cut through that actually if you turn it on, you're going to see less. And then white light does the same thing. So you're blind your just. Darkness as well. Yeah. You got about fifty thousand dollars worth of year on you and it doesn't work. It's all useless. It's crazy. One man I wish I got some. Time you know. It would have been underwhelming for you looking back in your career it just. Their immediate was Kinda like a smash. Complete overwhelming. Fire Pierce Superior Order. Technological superiority. And it wasn't until later where that vacuum was created and then people started coming to get their Jihad on. Yeah and that was that was later Oh af one was. I think it's the uncertainty that would entertain me Oh for sure. Yeah. You guys you're going in there and you have your like this is like what's going to happen my first real world target ever the number one bio target. In Iraq, we were looking at it before we went mop level for there's which is mission oriented protective posture yeah. I, don't know how to describe to people what it feels like to wear it. Now, there's a garbage bag over your face. Ventilated or I did okay A. Ventilator. which is basically. So gas masks traditionally, we'll have one canister scrubber canister that has a certain amount of life, but we had a hose that went to our back that had two canisters and it was a battery powered blower essentially, but I just put my weapon sling over the host which was awesome. Yes, a mop level four is the highest level protective posture just imagine wearing. Garbage bags underneath a firefighter said a turnouts with a set of garbage bags over the top in a son in a sauna, and you're on a assault bike doing calisthenics. And admitted out. First real target ever Dorgan or shot in the face from me so that I was like, oh Lee fuck. Sixties and me. For our even worse hour flight. Oh. So we'd left from our and a flight of I. Believe it was four forty sevens and four sixties. They sent a C. One thirty with little birds in it to do a desert landing strip. They landed. Pulled the little birds out join us in flight with the snipers on it wo- for the For yes it was amazing right? WHOA. Flexing a little bit of fire security. So. That goes down I think it was on the second forty-seven there's like ten rounds or so into the first one, twenty round north not a person other than the door gunner obviously, he lived I don't think he was the same afterwards because kind of peeled off the back of his head. But. I didn't realize how ridiculous it was until the next morning we got back woke up. Walked out to see the helicopters and they're just stitched with bullets the nighttime it there was a nighttime. Wow. It was the first in the first hours of away F one tail. Yeah. Successful hit Define successful dry whole hundred percent dry hole. The number one can bio target in Iraq was an agricultural school. Really Yeah. I've hit some of those I ripped off all of my mask and Shit as soon as I started seeing textbooks I'm like I don't care rather dive. Seren gas than suffocate I started in the Texas. Did you look in the textbook I just saw tomato on I'm like. Fuck me man. So. Yeah. That was number one just go into was number two, and then that's a big one. That was blown out of proportion. You know again, it talk about you know the ambassador in Libya. A lot of the people around her where they were trying to do the right thing they were trying to get back to American forces they put an ambulance, they tried to get her back to a checkpoint she ended up getting the ambulance got shot at because well, insurgents were not even insurgents it was the Fedayeen at that time. They were using ambulances to move around an cover as their cover. So they just pick something that in the days before that, you know what I mean. Now the Americans are conditioned to getting shot at. So they're shooting at it from like a long distance like, Hey, you need to stop and get her. Yeah. But you know we we know resistance on target. She was being cared for by doctors. It was cool to get her out of there but it was definitely blown out of proportion. Yeah. One of the coolest things about this. PODCAST is I sat talked with her about it for and really cool. Yeah. She needed to. She had never sat down and had conversation with somebody on the other side where you was it in person interview. Yeah. That like it was surreal because I didn't go into the room with her my team leader and one of the PJ's were the ones in there that were providing medical care after she left we stayed for hours because we're GONNA find the bad guys. They'd already left you know it's like, Hey, we're move along so. and then we move onto the next and then and we so we were in Baghdad. I don't know maybe forty, eight, seventy, two hours after that and it was every night. Essentially you know dusk until dawn just banging target some good. Some bad dry holes figuring out the intelligence cycle because at that point we were pushing so hard that essentially they were fleeing. Yeah. Yeah. So there wasn't a lot of resistance, but to be able to go back and sit down and talk about it from her perspective and what she experienced, and I wouldn't want to put words in her mouth but I personally believe she was used as a huge chess piece. Yeah. Right I remember when it first came out that she was rescued I remember hearing on the news Jessica Lynch, thought to her last round should be the first female medal of honor. Recipient and then you look in she never going to have to try she got knocked unconscious weapon GM. Like what's like stop using these people as fucking chesapeake salesman the scuffing it's not fair to them. It's not it's not fair to the answers a truck driver eight. Mike think think she was in the back of a non armored Humvee I think they hit a truck I believe they. I believe they hit a semi. But yet was it total ships in a big convoy? She was in a big wall she was supposed to be in a big big convoy, but there was a contract. Yet, and they weren't under contact but they they were visibly separated took a wrong turn. Ended up downtown. Now's a rea-. In the early days you're studying around yeah. Fuck wits is it didn't fed at he. Can't even say that FEDOR. Heen. fetter him I don't know. How about fuck US people didn't they become the leadership isis somebody was just recently telling me that I lost control of the Hydra snake. You know because started in Afghanistan right Taliban in Iraq we were fighting the Iraqi military and then it morphed to al Qaeda. And then I started hearing about Isis. And then I still and I lost I kinda lost control or an understanding of where the Hydra. Begin. I could see it. Somebody's telling me that the. Fed were rolled up in a lot of them were put into Guantanamo and then later this is later. Net. Guantanamo Gitmo. Guantanamo wait wait which wants to win nail has tournament. Winning Iraq Goddamn it where they had the. Pyramids Shit. We cleared that prison. It was I did one hit on it too hot damn. It did you go into the room that was full macaroni no macaroni in their bro. Like, the whole room was full of macaroni bro Okay so We're clear in this hospital. Where like an outlying section? And go running into a room into like I'd take a step in and it goes like all the way to my waist to fuck and macaroni noodles dry noodles. Yes I don't know why. I don't know what the fuck they were there for, but I just backed out and went to the next room because I, assume there was nothing bad. Macaroni News. Abu. Ghraib. That's it. That's it, but you never saw the macaroni room because that's the VIP is the macaroni did a Story with is there's somebody else who was your number two guy at I might have been the number two guy it was. So fucking bizarre non sequiturs going on what are you talking about it? How was just like? Is this is happening? I'm sure it's been cleaned out by now but that fucking memory sticks with me because it makes no sense whatsoever that place is kind of weird but that was yeah that was a big Arabe which turned into literal and figurative. Shicho. And that that whole thing was at tobacco and what I heard is. Those guys got put there and this is after all the controversy with. American. Forces. That they got broken out in two thousand, a Masuma, thirteen rep four, all the shit went down. And became the primary leadership, which is Kinda crazy. If you think about like the beginning the origin story of where they were at were. We roll into Iraq and we don't just say which I think is a bad strategic decision where we say, hey, everybody who's in the military you're all waiting to be combatants. Now we're going after you. Probably don't because if you actually talk to the generals which they have a pretty good hierarchy in their chain of command and you say, Hey. Generals we are going to take all these guys and we're going to give you the opportunity to make this the Iraqi army and work with them some way instead of going, you're fucking on the deck. Which I think is a bad move and caused a lot of issues and that. Evolved itself in progress itself into Isis fucking. Insane I could see them becoming the leadership if they were all slammed into a boo grape together Just like I would imagine happened it Gitmo I I would imagine to get placed get. You probably have to be a touch more extreme radical and you're at least I have no idea at a complete assumption on my part. But I can only imagine that people at Gitmo a coming more radicalized not less. So if you smash these people together the Fedayeen people together. I could see them thinking thinking plotting is time think you know discussing what we're GonNa do and then get out and poof? How come nobody's talking about the fact that trump did crush. Trump didn't crush but as under chief. Launching. Special Operations which I think was the best. One of the best tactics in modern military history. And the fact you don't hear a lot about it except for you know even recently two thousand fifteen. That was early on in the fight against Isis but the Syrian fight in Aleppo where we lost dues from Fifth Group, he lost dues from the unit. We we lost dudes from all over. And we crush them. I mean annihilated off the face of the planet. Never is talked about I think it's because people are unable or unwilling to separate trump as a person between trump as the commander-in-chief. Yeah. True. I think at I don't know if that's A. A just a mental gap that they can't cross. And NSA. The basis of what I see here in read on social media, it almost doesn't matter at all human beings have their flaws and trust me I have some pretty severe issues with the way that trump conducts himself but I have no problem admitting where those issues are. Also, you know what you fucking kicked ass on this particular issue. But I think that requires a little bit of nuance and then you start to blend the ideologies of the left and the right like, Oh, no, I land in the middle. Is this I'm you know I don't think people like that. Yeah. That's what I see at least it's either you are here and with us or you over here and you are against us and there's almost no gap in between by that divisiveness. That's that's that's really it's convenient. It's the easy way to go. Right? You could say, Hey, you're on the other side of the team I'm GonNa draw the line in the sand. This is easy for me because I'll just simulate with my friends. In most of those friends are virtual friends on social media. Versus coming to some commonality which you don't have to. Now, you don't have to talk to your neighbor. You only have to look at people. You could probably do a job for the rest of your life and career never even interacting with human beings especially now with all the Kovacic going on, it's it's interesting well, and then to go back to tim on Joe. Show talking about if you choose to do that or you're forced to do that and you curate the information that you are absorbing and it's only from what you agree with and you don't have that ecosystem of ideas and ideologies that can bounce up against. Let's one of my favorite things is to see read something in like bounces up against what I believe. I'm like Then you have somebody from the black lives, matter movement Or assault. You say it was I. Mean I don't know I would have to let her her name's Francine or Samantha Francine. Yeah. I don't know where she would put herself in perspective to the actual black lives movement organization, but she was here in Whitefish and. it was brought to my attention because there's this towering white dude just trying to scream her down and she is standing her ground wait on her toes. Just Ida. I with this and I was like, fuck? Yes. Like I want to hear about your life I want to hear what led you to that point where you stood up to that person as opposed to backing away some people lost their mind. How could you have this person on who supports black lives matter and I'm. Like that's what you WanNa do you WanNa hear their perspective and not even that it's like I wanna I wanNA talk about the woman and if she talks about things that she believes interest, she brings a black lives matters I'm gonNA listen that doesn't mean that I agree but I'm going to listen in think about it and hopefully refined my position in the world and what I think yeah I look my whole thing on this on the bill ending especially is if you have a rational If you have a rational. And that idea is to. Progress, your ethnic group religious group, whatever group you belong to? And you WANNA line that plan out and you WanNa talk about it. and. You're not hurting anybody I'm on board that and even as even as a movement the problem that people a lot of people especially for right don't realize. Is it so decentralized it completely design by design because the benefit is you don't have to take credit for the things that are bad but you could take credit for all the good and you don't have to be associated with the violence. You say, we don't support any violence and then violets continues to happen and it just it is what it is. They sit there and they try to wash wash your hands clean. So it it's beneficial operating decentralized in all means of task organizations I mean it just how it works. So people don't realize that people inherently flawed I mean, that's just that is that is the start point right? If we understand that and then looking at this argument. When you look at people that are involved in this organization most of them, I would say most of the majority of them don't know what they're involved in. They don't know the Marxist. Ideology tied to the root of the founders. That's that's illustrated on their about us on their website. They don't understand the in-state and goals or objectives they just want to be part of something. So when I see a this happened in Prescott Arizona which is you know my my company E we're still Prescott Arizona but we evolved and we stood up a a a I'll call shop Ford Operating Base? Called Farm Now and Hebrew city you how dare you father Soviet Sabato real people don't believe but I have the water. So I see that taking place and and there's a Prescott Arizona Bill Protests and If you go to Prescott on the median age of sixty two years old. It's a retirement community. It's a beautiful place though I used to fly in there all the time I love that. Of Tons of really good people who are just Americans who want to live their life in peace? No drama. In there are a lot of better answers of huge Federal Committee I. Think. Per capita might be the largest veteran community outside. Of. A. Town in Texas. I was GonNa say I feel like the State of Texas probably has the media They have they definitely have. High veteran population. So good community and we we operate there. We have a studio there. But there's a in protest now here's what happens. All the right-wingers calling right wingers because they're right wingers right. I'm a I'm a conservative but I'm sinner right and I hate even illustrating that but I want people to get the idea that I'm not right wing person people want to be on board with us at Phil Craft and America tendency because they're like, oh, we want to be part of this like we're what's your stance will were whatever the right wing organization has no offense but I just don't want that affiliation right because I'm not right one. Is that a thing right long I don't know if it is but I like it right one I don't even know what it means, but I'm going to use that today somewhere. Not Right. So the they WANNA get on board, but then I see all the right winger show up and Prescott Arizona Bill and protests is more likely. The most dangerous course of action is probably people tripping over each other in Prescott. But they're spitting and yelling in like a salt verbally assaulting and trying to get physically confrontational with a bunch of white people I mean, it's one in six protesters apparently in the Bela movement are black one in six, the rest of white. So you had a whole bunch of white people walking in the square protesting didn't look violent, and then you got a whole bunch of right wingers wearing catch me fuck me shirts, which is like the you know whatever the fuck name shirts right and they're screaming and yelling and I'm like man and all these people who are just normal people contact me and like what do you think about this while think the right Wong Showing up at that a bill protests are just as guilty as violent people enacting or inciting violence all over the United States like get the fuck over yourself. You're either a person who believes in in the constitution and you want you advocate for that which I do. I would advocate for peaceful protests you WANNA protest I don't give a fuck what you're protesting for. You want UNICORNS and schools fucking do it but the second you get violent everything changes. Yeah. You're outside of the First Amendment at that. Absolutely. You're. You're you're right now committing a crime and everything that you you raise your hand and stand for is Nolan void especially as a person who's conducting. Assault on human beings and hate that man I hate I hate both sides of the fringe fringe anybody Sam. I like I like I like things to fit in the pattern, and I don't mean that in a in a mundane sense what I mean. If you live your life in the pattern. Understanding that does lawn order a left and right limit. You could fucking do whatever you want. You could be a fucking former navy seal a former Green Beret and crushing business doing fucking wellness country but the second that you decide that you're going to forcibly push your ideology with violence with criminal activity with spitting on fucking people you've lost me and all those people on both sides of the French that's where we need to start trimming the fat I mean that's the conversations we need to have. I could not agree with you more and this is something. So when Bishop and I were talking, we were specifically asked a question about Tif end blm. And I intentionally tossed it to Brian. I because I know he would fuck in Cork off and I was just like here's your fucking Shit Sandwich. Any did and I got so many messages of people saying, well, what about the right wing wrote about the right wing and I and my response was first off I was asked a question about two specific organizations. So I answered that and that Inouye, means that I have either complicit or passive support. For Shit, on the right wing, it's people's actions that will make them my enemy not necessarily their ideologies it's actions I couldn't agree more in I, look when it comes to the constitution. I'm so tired of these people who WANNA pick and. The amendments or the pieces of the Constitution that apply to their argument and disregard the rest. Like the First Amendment is key but fuck everything else you know these people should be hung in the streets like Oh you don't believe in a jury trial you don't believe in an expedient trial of your peers. So you know the Fourth Fifth Amendment they can just get fucked. Or it just picking and choosing you have to value them equally or don't value them at all and I agree with you I I mean. I would I would say. oftentimes, people say, Hey, thank you for my freedoms and I stop them listen I didn't provide you your freedoms. We as Americans we we have our freedoms because they were preserved in the Constitution the founding fathers amazing job of encapsulating that and guess what I wasn't alive. So I can't help you with that. That'd be the oldest man ever in the history of the world. How ever that people who? Put on a uniform and wear. The. American flag flag American FAG. I just said that that was a slip in words I'm not going to edit that out don't edited man. They, they wear the American flag. Because it was issued to them and not rented or bought those people I think are putting their toes on the line to preserve the freedoms that we have. I didn't provide them but I think both you and I stood on the line. So somebody could stand in my face and try to argue with me about something the boils my blood and I'm gonNA. Let him do it would. I. Would probably get involved if there was somebody who was on the other side of whatever metaphorical fence fence protesting in what they believed in somebody's physically trying to stop them I probably would I would get involved in stop that because that person has the right to do it regardless of whether or not? I, agree with what they're saying but if you pick up a brick. And you throw it at me. Shit just got a lot different. Yeah. All everything that you're absolutely right because that that's that's where everything changes the your your arguments no longer valid. Yeah E-. E- everything and that's what people don't understand about these protests is there are there are numerous amounts, copious amounts of people who are peacefully protesting, but they're asked majority of vast majority are and but there are pockets of deliberate troublemakers that are inciting violence all over the United States like for this Kyle Rittenhouse kid well, you can tell based off of the arrest records and their home addresses are observer is right tourism going on for sure and there are people and I don't even want to say this term but our professional. Insiders, of violence in fuck anarchy. They're shipped, getting, mobilized, and deployed all over the United States to be part of these riots I mean, I've talked law enforcement officers. that have said they have they have targeted and seen the same exact people in different sides on different sides of the country that they've confirmed their identities and you have to be an idiot right. But when I when I look at a group like Antifa? Who is problematic in the first place your antifascist but you're suppressing and dictating where you're using ashes, tectonics, techniques, and tactics on. Your out in an open forum and maybe you think you're covering your face or you're running around being inconspicuous and stealthy and surreptitious, not even close and to not think you're not being targeted by federal law enforcement agencies that only job is to profile you and determine if you're a threat to national security, you're the dumbest idiot on the planet and so these guys we've been told is these guys are action arms. They have a commander they're running dual calms they're talking to lieutenant on the ground and there are articulating in this communication Their. Schemes. Of, maneuver. and and their tactics on the ground there dictating it based on overwatch I mean they have overwatch of the entire scene via communications and and their eyeballs. they have roving patrols and it's it's a deliberate skillset. So it's trained it's properly executed and it ties into a broader strategy, which is insurgency and when I went to people talk to me and they go. Well, my guess is really a big deal I mean it's buildings statues that technically is not a big deal to me what I'm worried about is what every movement started out as and then what you do when you take logistical support and time right when you. Stretch, the timeline it means you have more time to prepare. That's on the friendly side, and that's on the bad guy side they are preparing and they are they are in their own interest which people think they're aligned. They're very misaligned but they all serve the same purpose in getting favoritism in recruiting all the people that they have by the form they've been given by these. They're seizing the opportunity that's in front of him is what they're doing. Absolutely, it is a H-. Opportunist wet dream. You have political people in positions of power who were suppressing law and order because of the politics that are involved and allowing biting citizens to be affected at the same time, providing a huge void where opportunist or filling that void with violence with recruitment with assessment with logistical support and that ties into like will you want to see a delivered operation by insurgent unit or insurgent organization trying to conduct a coup I mean. The COO is the next thing. A coup would be the way four right you're inside Portland they don't want the mayor none of the organizations actually support the mayor who's the most progressive mayor in the history of the free world potentially on the face the fucking plan on the planet, right? Yeah. He's he's opened his doors and said commit violent ex police law enforcement. You can't do anything to prevent this by the way in my opinion is the complete dereliction of his duties. He's a criminal to me. He's absolutely a criminal if you look federal federal law. Any kind of litigation federally. He's committing acts of of crime, and so as he opens these gates, they're telling him. It doesn't matter. We want you out. They don't want any power. What do they want him replaced with? They want they want chop in a in a you? Know Academia they want they want to occupy Portland as a point. For example, they conduct a coup and now the own the governance. Now they're policing their own streets and what does that look like it probably looks like a very easy H. RT target I mean, that's that's what it looks like. It looks like A. Looks like a one minute objective secure call I mean that's a that's going to be easy target to address. I agree and. I will going to clarify this point for people who said they don't lose their mind although we are talking about organizations right now traditionally sit on the left. I. Would feel exactly the same way from organizations on the right who are taking these actions as well. It is not a matter of left or right. It's a matter of the actions that you take against either me my loved ones or my fucking country. Yeah. That's what determines it for me. I'm tired of people saying, well, you're not saying anything about the right or you need to say more about listen. If you asked me a direct question about I'll tell you and my stance is the same. It is based off of actions whether or not you think you're a threat to myself or the country that you and I both put our toes on the line to at least the the best that we can to allow people to express whatever they want to, which is not what's going on in Portland. It's not what I mean. Can you think of anything good that can come from them continuing to to write in protest one hundred plus days I mean what type of precedent is that setting that shit needs to be shut down? That's the role of the state and federal government to protect those business owners to protect us be and this is what started tribute I'm starting to see you know they're in DC and they were at the black lives matter square I believe it's called if that wasn't the name exact name I apologize but they started a protest there and then they started going into neighborhoods. And they're starting to shine flashlights into people's windows I'm like okay. That's an interesting micro escalation. You're still not really you know, but then they'll start banging on doors. What did they kicked the door in? You know now these micro escalations are GonNa lead to things that I don't think like you said, it's one minute HR RT objective secure I do not think. That these people had any idea what could potentially be waiting in the wings for them. Yeah. The the biggest problem in that is you know as it spreads into rural neighborhoods and urban neighborhoods, communities, right these are communities were people pay. Taxes to BURP, vied the support, the funding literally to law enforcement officers to react and respond to calls of danger. Right now, you have people who are for the first time half to think about protecting themselves. Now, all the sudden, the second minute matters. Now, the Senate is a priority and California. It's like Whoa we down with Governor newsom because he's he's suppressing the he's got security. We've been talking about that for years. He's got state officers that are fully armed to bear sniper overwatch providing security high capacity magazines are sure APPs Ropley automated weapons of enforcement, which by the way people. Love automatic us so weird I answered this question was with Bishop who was we were talking about do automatic weapons apply to the Second Amendment and it's my own fault for my response because I essentially said civilians don't need them which people took his I. Don't think it's covered by the second amendment is just don't ever use them on full auto because you can't hit shit is what I should set. So it's so weird. Isn't that weird will they watch a lot of movies? Yeah and you see you know a hundred brown belt going through like a saw 'em sixty and ninety eight people fall down de instead of seeing maybe the first round hit a guy and then the rest of them are hitting about four kilometers behind because the muzzle just drives. The funniest one to me is the short barrel, right? Say the short barrel is the most the biggest danger to society and I'm assuming it's the it's the way in which it's be carried in this configuration. Celia. But a longer barrel is more optimized for trajectory for external ballistic and accuracy inaccuracy. So it all that shit like. suppressors, for example, that people don't really it's so silent. You know it's their stealthy killers and suppressors still have massive amounts of decibels. You could clap louder than a suppressor is yeah and if you're using supersonic ammunition still sounds like a gunshot going by your head. Absolutely it does yes? Oh, laws are bizarre but you have this people in DC like you just mentioned now in Washington DC like major metropolitan areas like Philadelphia. CHICAGO, those people can't even have certain kinds of guns to protect themselves, and you see these people whoever it is. There's many groups and inefficiencies as well. The groups that just comical to me. I've actually talked to one of the dudes who wanted to do a podcast with me they're walking around with Ar Fifteen S I was gonna ask you about this. What do you think about these? Organizations and you'll see him on the right and the left right. You'll see the hillbillies rolling in with their kotex backwards and visible. stovepipes like just complete bolts at battery on their. A ours. And opted covers or down eight points around backwards I'm sitting there looking at this like son of a bitch, but they do have to camelback hoses so I'll give them that. Little dual hydration, and you have to run to a hydro what are your thoughts on people? So this happened here in callous bill, there was a black lives matter protested in. Three blocks away. Yeah. Wow. Well, it doesn't surprise me. Because I I think didn't go to it but in talking to both of my sons, who did it was people who were Called a generation I. DON'T WANNA. Say Behind US but a generation younger than us. And I think they they have a different form of information delivery and uptake. Most of my kids you know it's they they see it on a device and it's real. It's real and it's and I'm not saying it's a I. Do believe that inequality has happened in this country since its founding it's not perfect is never going to be, but they felt moved to go and be part of something. So they did and which showed up was probably equal number of people who were armed. With thoughts on that the people who roll in heavy there weren't there weren't play cares I don't know how many of those people actually have plates in that stuff what are your thoughts i? Think it's a bad decision. I think it's it's horrible. Here's what it is. It's horrible tactics syntax to its superintendent. So here's here's the exception to the rule my my mom she she's Korean as per my Korean is and another side no not to hijack U I got many emails confirming the racism in the Asian cultures as well. They like, Fuck Yeah. Mike was Right he said it. Asians are the most racist human beings on the planet. You can't get past that man is that is that is true. My mom she's worked forty years for her business spa in fable North Carolina and it's off of It's off of Ramsey in and near Hay street which has downtown during the bill in protest they were burning down the market place or the what they call the market square. It's because that place in the center of Fayetteville used to sell slaves. But it's a building it's a historical building. It's been there since the beginning of time it's just the building that happened to be there when the slave trade was a thing and it it did happen. So a guy tried to light on fire lit himself on fire. He actually died from doing that which is Asinine. He threw a Molotov cocktail or some kind of. Got All over him all over him set him on fire third degree burns one of nine. So down the road moms salon is there. She's been fable forever it's next to Fort Bragg North Carolina a lot of immigrants or a lot of people from different countries have came there from soldiers being married to them. Germans Koreans tie the those goes on because there's Air Force army everything's there. So her business that she worked forty years four is there and she called me once she said son I don't know what to do. I'M AFRAID THEY'RE GONNA burn down my business and they were they were burning down businesses downtown fable, their lighting stuff on fire graffiti damage. said. I'll. I'll get back with you and I contacted a dozen of my buddies or special operations who were at Brag who said, yes, they will go there and protect her business to make sure that it doesn't get destroyed a lot of people on one side of the army go. It's just a building insurance pays for buildings. Well, that's not just a building that's livelihood, right that's the means that's like coming to your house and have a lighter in my hand with an accelerate and I say, I'm going to burn down your house and if you don't let me I'm going to hurt you I'll burn you in it but you should let me because you have insurance. Well, that's not gonNA happen I'll shoot you in the face all my front doorstep. So when when we look at these buildings and we look at these people who are armed like cow Rittenhouse, right this kid seventeen years old comes from out of state like all the protesters did. And shows up to defend businesses because nobody will in I think that's a courageous act because there's so many people who want to do that. But so many people even in your own community who would never do that if it, it can be happening down the road and they won't do that. I'm the kind of guy who if I see that kind of chaos in my backyard and there are people who are being disaffected in a negative way especially by by criminals, I'm going to do something to protect them now. Am I gonNA. Stand in front of the building with a gun and body armor no, because that's bad tactics. Anything. In tag is people on the road and potentially risk your life for a statue made in eighteen sixty three for a building that does have insurance. Standing out there to antagonize that is a bad tactic. Better tactic is staying inside the building posting signs all over the walls that we will defend and protect this building and and staying back into it and defending and protecting that building from the inside because they kick in the door if they break in the window and they're entering that domicile. A lot of laws including castle doctrine and standard ground laws apply to self defense and use depending on the state depend on the state. Absolutely. There are states even California has standard ground law. Though they do very very. So drastically check your local loss because the protection of property in life and some states like Texas go hand in hand is somebody steps on your property at Texas at the the castle doctrine and your standard ground laws apply. You could actually there's actually cases of people being shot standing in property with no defined fence line and getting away with shooting somebody because that person was trespassing giving them orders and then gutting them down. So that's where. People need to research this on their own. So Montana property does not apply meaning. Land Yeah if you step into the house, that's a different story Montana is a castle doctrine about a business. I. Don't know and I tell you what? I? I think it might have been the same podcast with Bishop. We were talking about that and answered. The answer that I gave I I believe in the answer that I gave. This is the classic example of reading a question not thinking about in firing away for five minutes because I said, I don't WanNa. See People lose their life over property and I made a broad statement that. A lot of those businesses. Do have insurance. But in my head, what I was thinking I'm looking at watching videos of like target macy's yes that shit getting corporate I wasn't thinking about at least in that moment. Somebody has forty years somebody who has a generational tied to those business? Oh, thinking in my head like, is it worth shooting somebody over a purse? No, no I and my biggest point is this. I don't WanNa see Americans killing other Americans. I would. Yeah I want this the line in the sand drawn as far back as humanly possible and reasonable, and only when you're pushed to that point to include myself like I'm not going around looking for to target anybody. But if you push me, I have a very distinct line in the sand if you push me past that, what happens after that is going to be on you. So I, totally agree with what you're saying and it's an and but at the same time the. Nuance right if they're stealing a big screen TV from best buy, don't go stand out in front of it with your are absolutely not in Kyle Rittenhouse. I'll tell you what I think. He might have had the best of intentions but as a seventeen and a half year old is not mentally prepared to go out there and be close and his parents should be mother's specifically should be ashamed of herself that she took him there after watching the videos many times. In reading it, I believe that his actions were in self defense the catastrophe there was that he was even physically present one, hundred percent avoidable. Absolutely. Everything you said is exactly how I feel because that's the problem when I when I when I when I see people motivated to get out on the streets with guns, I I asked myself where the fuck is your family where where your kids? Where's your? Where's your spouse? Where's your mom because that's where you should be protecting that's that Should be standing in the threshold of that doorway with your carbon in your body armor wear that. Like. Like I think about. Our time in the military and all the things we would risk our lives for every single objective, our risk, my life, Sampo, I like picking up my kid putting it on donning it. I accepted every time that I was going to potentially die but I looked around and it was very easy to make that decision because everybody in that in that stage room kit room were men that I loved voluntarily they're making that same decision. Yes absolute, and we all had that understanding and so when I see somebody senselessly get killed in the streets because of simple exposure dump tactic don't even be out on the streets what avoid those places like the plague and just like Tim said about people running their mouth to to make themselves of Phil good about their cause and sounding stupid these people the world knows now and not the world because they're they're absolutely They're they're protagonistic about everything that's happening because of they roasted marshmallows about what's Dude it's insane but we know as Americans what's taking place in every single one of these groups are shown their ass and hopefully what that translates to. Is People voting. I mean when people say Mike, what can we do? It's not go low to fucking thirty round. Sure. You're actually already loaded by the way it's it's get ready to fucking vote on November third and be prepared to write them to make the right political decision and your local governance and the federal government's because that is how you're going to affect the most change. That has resounding effect that is A. System that is emplaced designed to make change. I'm worried that regardless of the result what we're seeing going on. And admittedly in small pockets would I am what I'm worried about is that it's not gonNA stop regardless of the Al Qaeda won't it will burn regardless it will burn dangerous course of action is. All over every major metropolitan area, you'll see violence and what I mean is. For the first time, what you'll see. Is these people who decided this is going to be there d day using weapons and killing cops and the cops are going to respond and they're gonNA kill and quotations in air quotes, protesters but they're actually violent actress. They're criminals there are criminals before the day before and the time they picked up a gun. Now they are criminals again and dared going to get in gunfights. One bad report because the media should take the brunt of this. The media will report in Portland Oregon police, engage, and kill five protesters to law enforcement officers were killed that will transcend that will evolve into gunfights in every major metropolitan area where these. Antagonists exist where they feel justified. Now to go to war, it's it's time. Now this is their war we had our war we went to war and we picked up arms and it felt good because we had a loss. Right? We had a September eleventh. We knew what we were fighting for. This is their war and it's kind of like A. We're looking through the eyes of the enemy and analyzing sussing of the enemy, and then you actually confront them you confront them in a room and you're tactically interrogating them. You realize this is just a do just like you who wants to get his gut on. The fuck when he he? He thinks he's a freedom fighter you're looking at yourself. You're like man this American flag with this kid I'm a bad ass he does the same thing every morning he looks at his s vest. It looks as has ak who said his fucking fake solo boots and he's like I'm fucking ready to go to war man and that's the same ideology they feel and they're going to pick up that arm and they're going to go to fucking war and it's not GonNa Change anything that the only thing that is going to change in America which I feel it should change is the way in we look the way that we look at our local govern governments and first responders in how they protect us because most people who pay taxes who don't give a shit about guns who don't care about preparedness, they think the law enforcement officers that they pay taxes for we're GONNA. Come to the rescue in Portland. Three weekends ago now when I was there. Sixty phone calls to nine one one for Burghley larceny even rape and he never responded why because the politicians that were in charge of them told them to address only the protest and they're prioritizing that which meant standing there getting pummeled with bottles and bricks and everything else while people law abiding tax paying citizens of this country or getting raped and nobody's doing anything about it. What does that tell you will that tells you you need to be more self reliant you just need to take. What you should have been doing the fucking first place you need to take your own reliance into your own hands like you should be. It should have never been surrendered at least from a philosophical perspective to somebody else. A thousand percent and we did it's it's the freedom by proxy is going to Characteristically. Make you complacent the that's a that's a byproduct. It's a symptom of democracy which when you feel secure in a world, you become less secure as an individual because you let your guard down you should and that's that's great. But on the back end of that, you should understand the contingency that you're willing to. You know bring to bear in the equipment that you have the sustaining of survivability, your own self defense and the defense of your family. But we we lose sight of that. So often, and then we go war that dude was a victim a victim because potentially he made the wrong decisions and he was fucking complacent. And now we can't afford to allow that to happen the wildfires in California's a perfect example of this wildfires have always ravaged California since the beginning of time I mean me and you are from California and In what we're seeing for the first time is arsonist being rolled up in mass because if you're if you're an anarchist, you know the best way to start arche is take a lighter to fuck and dry foliage in the middle of nowhere and start a wildfire. That's GONNA. Devastate people. There was a kid I think it was an Oregon. Found him dead in the back of a car holding his fucking dog. That's dead. A young child fuck to think that some. Cock sucker for lack of better terminology lit some shit on fire to create anarchy and murdered fucking child holding his dog that died as well. Just. To think that this, this isn't Yemen. This is in Libya or raccoons Game Stan. This is fucking California and Oregon. This this tells me and shows me that no matter what you do and depending on government around you you need to take care of your own. You don't need to sit there and go when's the Fire Department coming? What's the plan? I can't check the fucking media winner. WE'RE GONNA get out of it. You need to take that shit into your own hands. What's CRA-? It's even crazier to me is that if you were able to find that person who lit that, they would somehow try to justify that. The cost of anarchy Yeah Ud's set that motherfucker on fire in the back of a vehicle I don't know if this makes me a bad person, but I would volunteer to do that. Absolute. Watch I WANNA watch. Yeah man it's crazy and I think one of the big points that I hope people heard when you were talking about the defense business is that it's not actually going out and targeting and executing military operations. It's partly drawing that line in the sand presenting the like Hey, this is my castle. These are the things that we are prepared to do and they come across the line. You're not out there walking around trying to draw this mobile line that you hope somebody crosses. Your. It's a measure of last resort, but and that's the thing because I think faulk that podcast Bishop Piss people off we were talking about, what would it take for people like you to come off the bench to actually get involved and the answer for me is, I don't want to like that's the bottom line answer the one thing I think I wanna do the least in my life is killing American I don't want to. So for me, it is a matter of a direct threat to myself. My loved ones my family, but I'm not going to go out there and try to antagonize somebody to get them across that line. But if you push me across that line, stand the fuck by. People don't realize the. I'll frame this with capability. You can have a target set. Let's just call it a troupe of guys. Let's call it. Let's call it twenty guys. Twenty guys in a foreign country on foreign soil. Day Don't know the target set they don't know what it really looks like. But they have. Imagery of what that potentially looks like could land helicopters on top of those people and kill thirty plus bad guys net sleeping thirty bad guys ready to fight with Jarecki's in Berry eight PK machine guns, even sometimes night-vision goggles and we routinely do that one. Special Operation Sky. What they said a PBS thirty one big shelter Alpha. PVs threat one white sauce with a laser monitor the gun you have no like when people say, Oh, that's like you guys can enact violence. You know violence enacted or executed looks like efficiency. It looks like optimize. It's like an orchestra you don't realize it. So beautiful because it's it's it's literally being conducted until it's after you're like Oh my God I got chills in in what I don't ever just and I share that same sentiment. There's men. Just like you and me all over the US who are living in peace were trying to pay all I want. That's all we want because we've lived war for for the majority of our lives and so when I'm here living in peace. And I see people who are insurgents who want war at that don't realize what war is. For for one of us to get off the bench dude one, one me one you. Or even worse and you. It, it'd be overnight one night one night and these guys think they're violent bad ass anarchist who were going to burn down the system not on our watch it's not going to happen and I don't. I don't mean to say that like tagging housing the the people in that arena. What I'm saying is you don't want to fuck with the wrong people and what you are is you're poking your name poking fucking bear you're poking like fucking. You're poking fucking galaxy. Of. Of. Rock Stars that will fucking destroy you you. You can't even fathom the amount of violence. We made an occupation out of what seems to be currently their hobby. Yeah. Yeah. The very bad at it. It's every inefficient one. Here's the thing to it our background. Absent Training and currency, it actually loses value as the days go by. I I a firm believer that you should never outsource your safety and security to the government I. Don't believe that that's what the government was designed to do. There's mechanisms that can help, but I think as a responsible contributing member of society, you need to have a baseline level of capability. So it's great. Yeah. I spent seventeen years in the community. In two, thousand, thirteen, seven years ago. My days look like two hours a day of Jujitsu, Monday through Friday and sometimes on Saturday three days at the range per week Pistol Rifle Med kit in my car go bag in my car espionage suppress three, hundred, blackout six, zero survival. Is, a bug out back but I have I, carry with me all the time I have you know, and also I have safes it by house and we're responsible gun owner as well. It's not just like. Throw pissed on the couch and hope that it's still there when I come back. And I carry all of those things because I don't ever want to have to rely on somebody else callous bell perfect example if I'm at the south end of the valley and there's something going on at the North End of the valley and then something happens with me I can expect a thirty minute response time from law enforcement has a long fucking tight longtime and. That's better though than sixty answered calls. You know, but I want to be able to live for that thirty minutes I'm not doing any of the things that I just talked about because I. Think the Batta because I'm not a bad us I'm a fucking average dude from a physiological emotional to. intelligence perspective but I understand that world I understand the competency that can come from that and the capability that can come from that. So I'm not just going to hang the knife up you gotta keep taking stone across the blade. Is it? Got, can you imagine if you and I were able to get the reins pulled off and we were to go to places like Portland and for people listening stop screaming your phones I'm not saying I want to do that or that we are advocating doing that what I'm saying is there's a difference between a hobbyist and a professional and it's not going to go their way. Yeah. Yeah. I just my brain just goes there and I just think these guys and gals are making supersport life decisions. I C E. See this twenty year old girl. There were Molotov cocktail into a patrol car or this is in New York and she goes she's going to prison for a life term which I think is the twenty year whatever it is she got convicted of of attempted murder and I believe it not that this is a. Really. Anything. But I think it should be pointed out she comes from a upper-middle-class fluent, very fluent. I would say probably beyond upper middle-class background and she's out there throwing a Molotov cocktail into a it's like. For me, there's such a gap I don't understand. And I don't know maybe new just wired differently but I don't understand getting from that place to work permits and throwing a Molotov cocktail thinking that you are somehow closing a gap between your projected ideas in the solution i. don't I just don't understand it, and that's I think that's a good point because there probably isn't a in-state. You know when you have a when you take somebody off the streets and you actually start talking to them and you say, what is the desired in state here and the desired in-state is I think destroying the system because the system systematically racist. Or. Systematically flawed that inherently is a problem because then you're hinging on the majority of the country to be on board with you while you destroy everything that's in place that is the security for everybody else in the country absent plan to rebuild as well at there's no plans and so you don't have a you know it would be different if an TIF. Guy. Guy was on a podcast were show and they were the leader and they're saying listen, we're GONNA lay out the groundwork what we're doing. Now as part of a five tiered plan, we're starting out with sabotage subversion. We WanNA create some anarchy in the road you want to let people know passionate but face to of this as we want to get. into the elective process, like we want to be in positions to make chain out of Holy Shit, the strategy behind this is insane and and it's not that would be onboard that because I would say, Hey, let's get the bandwagon on to vote because I don't want this but this is how we could be using the system that is in place for yeah. Our process is very, damn good. In everybody who's in these positions that say? Are. Racist. Society where repressive tyrannical have never been anywhere else in the world and they've you don't even have to go and be immersed as a special operations guy just simply go to anywhere in Africa. Anywhere. Travel outside of the first world that's it go to like when I was in. Asia Africa. My my driver. Had A heart attack and. We couldn't find out he was driving while he was driving. I'm in I'm a sergeant major at the time. So I'm in uniform lieutenant colonel and we're on the WAY TO A. A joint training exercise, which is a staff ex we're we're planning a counter. We actually planned a counterterrorism operation and at the same time that we were there planning a Boko. Haram attacked a place. In Eastern Asia, which was their first ever attack terrorism attack inside of news year? So were there to support a flock, which is a huge joint exercise fucking awesome named exercise now flint lock it. And we're I'm I'm driving to this place in the the driver turns around. And he's like I'm having chest pains and like well pullover and he pulls over and he's telling me symptoms I can't remember what side it was. But one of the Sims is arm shooting pain through his left arm like one side on one side only up and lieutenant colonel with Google Shit. He's like what do we? How do we figure out how to help us dude with a heart attack? So I say listen I'm GONNA drive you to the hospital I. Want you to point out to me the quickest route there. We have it NAVC. He knows the back roads. so He's left right? He gets us to the hospital and I pull them out of the car and walk up to the hospital and I take one look inside I might breach point. And I look left look right and just do a quick scan and there's people all over this hospital laying on pants not not caught snack cloth that sheet but paying metal pans and it looked like a mash casually and I said is. Sonoma. Is this is normal on like what so I go over is like is anybody doctor and this like eighteen year old kid comes up because I'm a I'm Dr Mike you're the doctor are Dr Are you playing one on TV? Yeah. Where'd you stay last night? How does this work out? So he said I'm Dr My. Okay. What is going on here? He goes all people are sick I'm like, okay. This guy's got having a heart attack cardiovascular something when can get seen it's going to be hours. he'll be dead and hours. So we leave we drive away. And I go. We're going to a foreign form because the. In a heart attack and. Baby Aspirin Yeah I would put this out I'm not a doctor and I don't know anything about cardiovascular events except that on Google it said get betablockers because betablockers. I guess has something to do with reducing the amount of Beta. The blood I feel like they blocked Betas they blocked Betas. The blockers of Beta. I voters shocker did. Not Go to med school. So we go in and it's closed. It's it's a holiday. Of course it's it's closed fuck and so we're trying to call people and I'm like, fucking we kick in the door to this pharmacy me lieutenant colonel we ravage through all the shit. We find the Betablockers, we give it to him and almost instantly he's like. I. Feel a little bit better than of my Oh shit. So we take him back to the hospital. We drop him off. He sees the doctor eventually they basically give him the same thing they work through whatever it is. Three days later, we don't hear from and where the fuck is this guy at he's our driver like where's driver? One of the interpreters like he's at the hospital still, I. Go in the hospital and he's laid up in the same room with all these people and he's like deathly ill because he gets sick for being in the hospital. Of course, he they never released. They have room to isolate them and I'm like what the fuck is gone and then I realize this isn't as year Africa there is no there's no resources there's no medical trauma facilities. People die of appendectomies there. There are appendix burst and they die, which is probably an incredibly routine procedure in the first completely routine completely retained people die there. It's the first time I've been all over the shit holes. But I look at the infrastructure there when there's infrastructure. But the only reason the infrastructure exist is because of the nonprofits and the NGO non-government organizations that keep that place alive the other supported that their support from the well water they drink to the Senate I had an upper respiratory infection for two weeks with lieutenant colonel and I couldn't believe how sick I was and I asked the everybody what's going on and you're sick because you're breathing the literal feces of human beings and then I'm driving one day and there's a guy who's walking. He's a Nigerian. He's walking down the road and there's no sewage systems in Asia. Even, in the in the in the hotels that's just pipe out and poop into the streets he takes a step ninety three steps. He doesn't cover his ass he takes one step that was probably a to avoid getting hit by a car when he squatted his ass over the dirt and shits in the middle of the road, he takes a scoop of San, shoves it up his ass, pulls his pants up and keeps walking and I'm like, wow, and in the dust is kicking up an art deco or high looks and I'm breathing in that Oh, that's why I'm sick I feel like that'd be a good set for like a holiday candle. Nigerian ass is an is your in ass power move on a handful of sand. You might get some chafing based off my experience buds. Dude. I, was in. Kenya for not even anything military-led. I was there for a school building project for cross, and there was a medical clinic across the road and I'm using the term clinic in the lightest of Tilde. And they were talking about women who will walk their give birth and wheelbarrow their child back home in the same fucking day of course. Of course by as. My jaw hit the four. It's still on the for I couldn't believe that and That I mean, and so we were walking around building some schools or I wasn't building schools. We were there helping the organization that we were funding they were building schools but when on a walk one afternoon just fallen people two buckets on their heads and an watching where they were getting their drinking water from. You couldn't have paid me to to jump in that water in dry suit and they're filling it up in. It's the women that were doing it jugs on their head like National Geographic type trains of human trains of people with water heads like. People forget that about a third of the world doesn't even have access to sanitary water. Yeah. Yeah that's normal life for everybody in the for a third of the world like in the tally. Of all wealth in the entire world. Context it is context I. saw this interesting documentary on Africans. And it was. It had a and she was from Ethiopia Kenya and they they don't use diapers. What they use as clay so what the woman will do is They'll the baby will shit. They'll take a piece of clay off the ground though smash it onto their knee. Then, they'll take the baby and smashed the baby's ass on the clay and rub it off their knee. Then they'll take the clay and roll it like it's a diaper and then throw it out. And I'm like. WHOA. WHOA. That's I. Mean this is the state of the world around us. And these fuckers are you know they're throwing frigging fifty dr bottles of Vodka at police officers that are Molotov cocktails into their suburbia like most of them live in the suburb these are these are poor people. These are of they're disaffected whether that socially economically. But most of them have Russe over their heads running water. Yeah. You know it's fucking crazy. I don't know about you man, but like I'm. I spend I. Don't think I spent any more time thinking about this stuff than anybody else. But I I I'm trying to understand I mean I'll at least listen to people. When they talk whether you agree or disagree I'll I'll sit there and I'll try to. Think, about my own life and my own experiences in the systematic racism something that you hear all the time and. Inequality or colorblind or the inability to be colorblind or bias. I sit there and I think about it in my head just keeps bouncing up against a lot of the ideas that are being thrown out Tim actually got me thinking very hard when he was talking about his bias. Because for a long time for one, I'm not colorblind because I had the ability to see color like I think that's a stupid statement unless you are legitimately colorblind it. Everybody sees color. Your skin is a different color of the mind. The issue was give a fuck. What color people skin is I almost always default back to actions and how they treat me. Treat me like an asshole and you threaten me if you're white black every color inbetween that's going to get you one response otherwise have a conversation I. Don't I don't give a shit but I do have more bias than I realized but it's not against one group. It is against one group. It's human beings. Yeah. I have. One of the things that I have to work myself through where I I'm aware of is that I have an inherent distrust of human beings, which I think is a tricky place to view. A lot of this stuff that's going on from. Because I almost just don't trust them from the get-go. That's a that's a good bias when compared to I think that's A. I. Think that's probably the S O P for most people now and and and it seen as racism but it's a it's a larger. Race men that I don't. There's no race knocking humanity I don't either I'm the same way man, I, you know one of the things I think about. Like even in this black lives matter movement Antifa is when I was young people. When you're when you're young, you're impressionable you WANNA be whatever it is that you're tuned into for I I listened to country music as a little kid I wanted to be a rancher a country kid unless the these young kids grow up in hip hop, they listen to Jay Z. They Wanna be a coke dealer. There wasn't a biggie smalls they WANNA THEY WANNA sell coke like 'cause that that's the big game, right? That's the big influence. So all these little groups have people who are the targets just like they would be of jihadist of. It named the rogue organization or the insurgent organization oversees the perfect opportunity what I, what I hate that these people don't now it's it's likely to aptitude right or education or and or both. is they don't realize they're being played right because there's mechanisms like political mechanisms where politicians have power, they have wealth, but they also have the ability to influence on mass scales and I talked about this on years ago in a podcast somebody asked me my buddy. Mike Pfeiffer from last line of Defense. He asked me he goes what the what, what is the biggest threat to our society and I said A. Pandemic with social discourse and we're literally living that now. I said it's a pandemic social discourse and at the time be a limb was in Baltimore burning it down it was an and and we had We had people going out and being disaffected because of botts that the whether it was the Russians or the North Koreans or whoever it was North Koreans probably they're they're still working commodore thousands with Korea. But. Control all deletes. The Chinese and the Russians. Right. Well, if they're influencing anarchy and chaos like tin I, love this nailed it left or right. They just want people to be upset they want people to be disaffected. Yes. Because when you're disaffected. You lose trust in the establishment when you lose trust and the establishment y-y-you destroy the system internally because of that loss of or that distrust. So. When people were like, you know Russia's backing trump or whatever it may be in special operations. It's a simple unconventional warfare tactic which is called sabotage and subversion. Would you wanNA destroy from the inside out the only thing you have to do just like Timmy said it's super easy to I. Love. I. Love You Timmy In fact, you need your podcasts you just hit me up today and I'm actually GonNa call him to me from here on out I. Love Contents Mikey so called. But one of the things he he made the example, the analogy about. Party right. He made the Yes. He said you have this party and it's you have all these mechanisms and the party, the art sculpture, the ice sculpture the bathroom people are inside that group and they're all there for the right reasons but it takes one fuck up to come inside of there and destroy it from the inside out. It's like it. Another analogy is like the redneck wedding right? You have. You have a redneck wedding and somebody comes in there and makes one dumb ass statement they do one dumb thing to let fuck that dude it's like don't tell don't talk about ricky bobby like that and he's fucking. Star beating each other up and then you're like, I can't fucking believe this everybody's beat up and blood, and then every body forever remembers that moment but also everything about that as being dysfunctional and chaotic. If you look at the world's perception of us right now you would think is burned to the fucking ground. You would think that this is this is war war three, but it's not i. mean me and you are in a room I drove here got coffee and and in whitefish drove in, it's beautiful. Everybody's out and about half the people wearing masks 'cause they don't give a fuck and I'm like, this is awesome. So it feels like a good place to be in. But that perception is what they're trying to create when you have wealth when you have power and influence it's so easy you can I get people for tell people at these American continuously meets I had like a few hundred people show up in In in Oregon it was no no. This was in Washington outsider golden gala winery. And I said. Think how easy it was for me to get you to show up I did three post in three post I got three hundred people to show up, and maybe with a post I could've got them to throw a rock at a building. So it's not hard to take people who are disaffected who are emotionally compromised anyway because covert, they want something to belong to because they're disaffected they don't have a fucking mentor in their life. They might not even have a father or a parent and they want to be part of a fucking movement our movement with service I do I've lived the US Army be all you fucking be same yeah, and so. We took our energy and we harnessed it and we pointed it in the right direction. Now, we're doing the same in entrepreneurship. When I wake up, I'm fucking motivated that I mean it's sad that I'm not getting shot at because I I I enjoyed that part of my life it's not sad it's different phase of different face. Let's not describe it as set. But I you know I I missed that part. But at the same amount of energy that I have in that I invested in the military I'm investing in entrepreneurship and it's fucking great life to live. But these assholes have picked the wrong direction, the wrong path 'cause they're motivated by some fucking millionaire who's a politician more likely who sitting on their ass watching an fold like fucking mister wizard Mister Burns from fucking Simpson Mr Burns for sure I. also think that the media has a very heavy handed role in this that's not being examined enough they if you know if people are being played, the media is the instrument. Why Because like you said, we're talking about there are parts of the US that are burning right now you know literally and Metaphorically California the Western states that's a different issue. But some of them like you said sparked by either an anarchist or some fuck quits who did a gender reveal and started like did you see that one fucking God damn people don't put pyrotechnic devices by dry grass fuck listen use a popper like a guy in a balloon how `bout get some paper and turn it into like little cuttings of papers Shea. Yep Ga deem it Upset. But. What is being reported based off of what I completely nonscientific. I guess it would be subjected because I'm just looking at it. The things that are happening in Portland in Seattle and other airs their leading the news constantly at the front of the cycle, but it's not it's not. It is not who we are as a country and it's not what's going on in the vast majority of the country. and. People see that and they are moved to take action there being fucking plate. Yeah. Ball by the headlines I. The the rapper killer Mike I talked about this recently in our podcast. But full disclosure I have no idea who knows a fuck it is either I've never listened to killer Mike got only have the fuck it is. But I I what, I, what I know is he's the first rapper outside of What's his name? The Wayne? Little Wayne Little Wayne's of support of law enforcement. Okay. So full disclosure I don't know who little. So I know little. I know who you're going down his genre down a rock and roll road who this fucking rapper. fucking. Cool. So Little Wayne is a fucking rat a full mouth full of fucking like his grill is full of fucking metal you. He's got drunk I think dreadlocks braids or something, but he's a he's a fucking hardcore rapper I. Think he's from Florida for from the south. Never been into his music but I heard him talk about a law enforcement officer once. And he said I support the police in his gangster verbiage. Yes. He said Ebonics that we call that. I don't think you can say that but continued. fucking thin line there man. You might have just read it over it. So. He's he's he's talking and he's like he's yes, support the fucking cops and the person they person is like shocked they weren't expecting that and how the fuck can you you're about the movement how how the fuck you are this cookie cutter you are only allowed to say these things he these his he was in an apartment or House that raided by the police and up an officer, a white dude named Bob or or some shit. They went in there and they started flippin shit going through everything. and. And they said the guide bill or Bob said what the fuck are you guys doing like we're looking for some like we're we're your for that fucking guy and they roll the fucking guy up and he picked this kid up, which is little Wayne and scooped him up and fucking rolled his ass out of there and saved him from this circumstance and he said it's the first time that a heated frame it this this way I'm Paris storing it but he basically said this dude was the first dude to show empathy to me as a fucking young thug and he was a white dude named bill or Bob who police I'm going to save his Kevin. Kevin. Gallen. But but if you think about that man. What the news media cycle never talks about. Is Is the good in people right it's built off an algorithm that is making clicks per capita. So when you look at the monetization rates of how these companies like CNN stay in business outside of their investments is they need to be controversial because that's how you become popular. You can't poplar as anybody on instagram. Showing your ass in a Thong. If you show your ass immediately you get you get a spike in analytics is that what I'm missing you're missing that man I will side I will do that. Well the wants to smoke clears do mountain. Just one just tag being very careful. To do. I. Don't even need a thong just a banana hammock. But just tuck back up. Just. A couple of cheeks that will be the highest post grossing posts. Don't tell me do it. Just ranger pens but tucked up and rest I don't wear ranger paintings but I might be able to find pair of Ud tease I bet you could find some beauty tease I either stick those Khakis up your ass they're not very good at the. Duke's. I don't know. We could explore this space, roll them on the leg of course. So you just get a little ass Chea peg leg one, thousand percent that will be your pay facebook to push it. That would be your most poplar had his. Walkman, but you can't be you can't be. Making money, you can't be spiking analytics unless you're risque and in you're no longer popular for not doing that I cycle through all media channels I do that routinely as a hobby and I look at what they're like what their headline is versus what the content says and oh I catch that. Shit. It's not even the things you'll never believe what so and so said, and then you click on it and yeah, they're they're actually detached from completing content subject. Yeah it's unbelievable. How many times that happens it has to be a it is a marketing tactic in order to spike analytics, but they're weaponising human beings. That's that's the scary thing and people I hope understand or have at least some. Recognition. That the information that you see. Is. Not, a broad if it's a pie, you're not getting one sliver from three, hundred, sixty degrees. The platforms that we all willingly participate in Instagram facebook and all that stuff. They are throttling certain types of information, and if you don't recognize that, I'm not saying. How don't want to go conspiracy theorists say that they're trying to really navigate but they're also not giving you the full spectrum either I've heard you talk about this with a lot of your content that what what the fuck in term is shadow banning or whatever that is but and you're based on them assuming just off a engagement and the numbers and just looking like what's going on here like there's this sign wave I don't believe that's happening accidentally and it scares me to think that people don't inherently realize that. This is scariest thing because it what falls into their feed is like what falls into your fucking lap I mean if it falls in your feed, your paying attention and and whatever that is is going to drive your behavior right this social media platforms. Are are built off of of buying, monetize your attention if they're not grasping your attention if you take if you look at a chicks, ass. And it's engaging, which means you're spending more than a second on it that they're going to send more. Of chicks asses. On instagram and hit the What is it? The I glass little button yeah. That's it. Then your vote yes I'm saying the explore page in which you'll notice is it's GonNa give you the things that you most constantly were most likely take a look at. I so WanNa look look at your shit right now, and he looked at your shit just look at look at the top twelve photos and let's see what it is. Going to be dudes thongs. fucking, dudes Mannix. Seals with their shirts off. All right. So you gotta hit the little page place free. This is to be cold. Oh. God you don't eat one of the I. Oh. Go to go scroll down right here like this to where it's like just these pictures and described the first top six photos. My first one is amazing. It's a great white shark getting ready to fuck something up i. have that same fucking picture. Awesome and then it's a woman Connie closed and then not closed then conor McGregor then a dude rock climbing and then the rest of. That Kinda McGregor was no, it's this when he's doing his little walk I guess had her arrested in Corsica or something like that the vast majority of it is. It's yeah it's women in swimsuits. It's an for whatever reason I get a lot of stuff in my feed to where you're watching it. That's why why is it on? It's unfortunate but that was like the first picture that POPs. But here's the thing. This is so yeah, if you think that they're not. Paying, attention to your ineffective of their and that's and that's the point is like they're they're. Right, back again, Goddamn. This podcast is brought to you by Tim. Kennedy by the way. It should be see to but by being removed and getting your information through that and if they're targeting you I, think the correct and most accurate word of what's going on because if you look at the assist instagram's not paying for itself, right? That's why there were billions of dollars and you're insulated and you keep looking at the same thing. So they're algorithm keeps showing you the same things. I just hope that it's not lost on people that it's getting more and more and more and more channelize which I think we would be better served if it got broader and broader and broader and broader, but I think that would probably destroy the revenue model it would and that because people do not want to see or engage with something that bumps up against something philosophically in between their ears and they would actually benefit for they lose that dopamine hit you start getting you start losing dopamine. Here's something that physiological physiologically have paid attention to. Audio book constantly. So if I'm driving for ten hours, I'm listening to ten hours of audio books. And what I? What I realized is all my audio books are the same shit hunting outdoors. Survival core, military history. So I started buying audio books that I. Don't necessarily think I'd like that's the best way to put. Meaning I'm not going to get the I'm not GONNA get one I'm not going to be motivated to click on to listening to it. It's not going to drive motivation in dopamine I'm not going to get excited and then Three I'm forcing myself to learn something that I potentially wouldn't otherwise have learned. The shitty part about it is. I don't listen to any of those audiobooks. fucking start them for like a Senate. My Fuck this Shit Dude I've literally driven my truck fallen asleep and I'm like I have to get some fucking Rogan on I have to get some stuff like. So. We just always revert back to our fucking habits. No matter what and it's machine learning, which is the scariest when a when a smart coder slash developer builds a machine, which is software that essentially learns your your patterns of life in rhythm and then optimize it accelerates it hard. And target your ask your fucked had everybody can do experiment what I WANNA do right. But the podcast on pause or listen to it but go on your phone into safari or whatever. You'd use, do a Google search and I want you to look for. A product, you pick the product and then scroll into your social media platforms and watch what populates your feed. Yeah and tell me that you're not being targeted. Oh yeah easily targeted. It's you. I'll look for I was actually looking at a like a truck back of A. Truck. Seat weapons. Mounting. System. And that's about all. I saw on social media for the next three fucking days the ferry first ad was bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-ba. Are you kidding me? Well? Are you kidding me? It just the web is so interconnected is so ridiculously interconnected and it is a learning machine. Learning. How fucking stupid we are as humans. I I I heard Rogan's say this and I heard you talk about it with with the media as well. I'm. GonNa Start I'M GONNA. Try this is my fucking attempt. This is my launch code of this. I'm going to attempt to start a media company. but I want to ask you because I want to get your input. I'm starting a media company that is is as objective as it can be and the context of. The let's put it this way open source information that's going to allow you to make better decisions. To navigate the world around you, I e, you get local or even national news that Tunji into what's going on. That's after the fact meaning it's not it's not a story for the sake of a story and narration to draw people in its this is happening in in this is the area it's objective, and here's the recommendation maybe like like open source intelligence analysis. Yeah, which is you know the significant activity that's going on and then the recommendation for that. But not as dry as the fucking it's not like a you know a sit rep that you read a daily. What were, what are some characteristics? Of. Of good good news outlets or what you would like to see and a news or a news feed. Thuc a good news out. I'll start there. I don't know which one I could point anybody towards because I. Feel like most. And I. You know what? I'd have to use the term news lightly as well. It's editorialized information I think is a more accurate description of what most people are receiving. So I guess what I would like to see would be the opposite of that as much as possible. In I don't know how to do that other than leaving almost every article open ended presenting the facts and and not known don't write out every time but literally like now, you as an intelligent thinking human being need to figure it the fuck out for yourself is that like a bullet like bullets statements. So it's not, it's not a it's not rolled up into a story line. Yeah I don't know I mean because if you have somebody writing, they will of like we've talked about there is bias and they will write it through that. So it would require you to have people on both sides of whatever metaphorical I'll that you're talking about that either worked in tandem or separately, and then the shit to somebody from one side of the fence. They each write it and you present both and people can land in the middle I. Don't know if it's bullet points. It gets tough anytime that any time that human being interface in between the information you know. Fuck is idea I need some time to wrap my head around that? Yeah. I like the idea though what would make it popular that see that's the that's the one thing I can't figure out because. When you look at the fact that it would be unpopular that people would have to think that we have to do that you have to play off the the oxy more of it all because every news outlet even Fox News which. I. I look at both the same objectively. Yeah and I go fuck both these. If you look at Fox News the first couple scrolls like going through though have actually news stories and then they get into weird shit like Kardashians Heidi Klum was seen on the beach wearing a fucking and you're like what the fuck and I click it. Anyway I'm just trying to for research purposes and of course for. Research. Scrolls down Mike I haven't seen Heidi claims ass once scam. A deep rabbit hole, you're like what? The fuck in my ear. but it but it, but it makes it popular. That's what makes it popular my how fucked you make objective actual news popular. Maybe the weights told I need a funny fucking comedian. Yet. But then you're gonNA piss off fifty percent of the people because you'll be mocking their you know what I mean. There's always the lens that people are. GonNa view through I. Don't have an answer that question. That's a tough one. It isn't healthy Ding like I'm. Here's what happened with America tendency that is evolving which I never thought. This would happen. America tendencies the entire purpose of American contingencies give people purpose. There's like people like, Oh, you're starting to militant no, the fuck or not. I've never message that of never disseminated that in the written word speaking at Ne Never. It's only been about empowering people to be better prepared for themselves for the families and their communities, which by I think by benefit makes us all better citizens of the country. I couldn't agree more. So I was GonNa ask you specifically about the American contingent go back like where did it come from? Did you decide to start it just unpacked? Yes. So Mea Kevin Owens were in Colorado and the covid Shit was falling apart. And we we actually we're doing a podcast on the mic drop one he was okay. One of the one of the most phenomenal human beings on the planet in in Montana with me right now in a different location price boring right are born was a counterterrorism army ranger wing. they have tier one element. He was there for like five or six years doing what they do similar to the British SAS. And became a green. Beret was my small unit tactics instructor. We're snipers together and then change the entire sniper game for US I. Mean he was the sniper ensue I see a noncommissioned officer in charge of the. God Damn it. But you know. Snipers ranger snipers and sift snipers special forces snipers he was in charge of the school house. But we're in a conversation and. It came up about the beginnings of the Shit falling apart like people were protesting. and. I also, your Inco-. vid watching some of the things trend towards violence. Yes. Okay. Yeah. So it's there's compounding factors. And I was like you know what I would wanna start something and we had talked about getting off the bench concept like you know there's people around the of the United States, who are law abiding citizens. Who are sitting on the bench watching everything unfold they don't participate in surveys. They aren't active politically they just fucking do their job. They're blue collar white collar people who knows that the People are just trying to make it through the day. Exactly just that's the core of America. So what I realized was it just happened in Portland. Not based on three weeks ago. But months ago they had a situation where they told this actually started in Seattle but the Seattle Told their lawn for officers not to respond they had to prioritize and they said you will not respond you will not do anything Call related and dispatch person reach out to me in a law enforcement also reach out to me and I realized that went. Oh Shit. Than than at the same time maybe a couple of days later the. Not fucking around coalition, which all they're doing is fucking around can be clear. Should be called the fact, right? Yeah. fucking. which his fucking NCO se of those fuck quits. She's he he thinks a M16 fires from the open bolt. What did he call that thing? He called it the grease gun yeah might come. It's the open bolt. He thinks that you launch the ball since the projectile shooting Mike He's a veteran. It's so bizarre. He is a veteran fucking bizarre that means nothing alright. Doesn't mean that fucking much people. Get rid of that. fucking halo or whatever. You think it means zero. Says all the people in the organization including the guy who accidentally discharged. His weapon and injured another person standing next to him. Yeah. Because the in fact people were backing. fucking. Factors. So, fucked up man. So these guys, these guys are fucking off and they're they're fucking around in they're calling people out of their homes which I thought was you know it's one thing to say I'm going to start protesting even with guns right? Which I think is stupid but you're fucking doing it and they start calling Blah and they're calling like they're saying all you crackers come outside of your home and my my nickname when I was a kid was cracker my dad was a fucking white dude right. And he used to call me cracker and. A term endearment, but he means it as a term of racism he had mine is will be saying the word to black people, but he's saying calling white people, crackers it's just as offensive isn't it interesting how it's not? It doesn't seem to be. RECOGNIZED NOBODY EVEN GIVES US share racism and and I hear this. Will you have to be in a position of What is it power or authority to be racist? How about fuck you? Yeah. Those treat everybody exactly. The same. If you're making any decision based off of what position you in based off color ethnicity whatever it may be your fucking racist that about that. Absolutely I don't think it's inclusive. two to one set of people if I'm when I was called Chink in all Ching, Chong and all this shit which I thought was funny because I I like to laugh off people who are fucking losers but it it it hurts I mean that that Shit's real I mean that's that's racism. No matter what color you fucking. So I went these racist people. Who are calling people outside of their homes? That's scary. We got an influx through my company Phil Craft Survival, which we do prepare shit I mean we teach hundreds of trade craft. We teach field craft all over the fucking survival in survive I. Don't know how you came up with that name craft survival given what you teach you know craft and survival it was A. Shit. It was. You only WanNa know the naming. Deanna what we teach teach feel craft in survival I have an idea. A trade track? fuck man. I had all this shit lined out necessarily realizing via all the messages that we got, which is hundreds and maybe even dowse what was the general sentiment in the message we do. Yeah. I'm starting to eat a lot of that as well. I don't teach field craft or survival. Yeah. What what do we Mike? What do we do right now you're saying get off the bench and it's like the same ideology behind people who say you gotTa have a better mindset and and so my sergeant major brain is like what the fuck does this mean like, why are you saying that? GimMe, tangible takeaways, literal things that I could do and. Map that out for me was a problem, which is you know our brains work in which relate to fix problems. So what the fuck do we do well one I want to instill confidence in people and I said to Kevin I said listen we have to start something I don't even give a fuck if it's just a philosophical movement that gives people some tools. Let's start something and when I started it, Kevin Owens actually named I'm like it's American. Something he's like content. What about contingencies we always do continued season primary alternate emergency plans pays plans I'm like American content we've we fucking named it, and then we put it out and I didn't realize how many people were really scared and and really looking for answers until we released it and and got droves of people coming into the fold like fuck were invested, we want to get involved so i. I will say this and this is how it started off. Wrong. Is People immediately thought. Mike Glover, former special operations, guys he starting a militia a fucking militia. I had tweets I had articles which were all faulk faults and fake I had people writing new stories on me saying a former special operations say I see a contractor a starting a fucking right wing militia which anybody who fucking knows me no I. Mean Dude I've never openly say this like I like we'd. Like we'd in Gummy form because it helps me sleep and it's better than fucking What is it called the the? Cocaine Heroin Ambien. India close. It's better than all that shit do you know what's better than Ambien anything anything is better that shit is so addictive dude I was taking one. You know this because you're in special operations that's what they gave us do they had to bowls. Yeah adderall Ambien. Yeah. We had to ship before the admiral where you thought your hair was gonNA fucking light on fire and you like I do want to charge a fifty best. Yeah and then you have also in your stomach hurts for days new lay in bed exhausted sleep. Yeah you're just like. You're puking do heavy or are sad thoughts. Do they more than happy thoughts? So you're just sitting there fucking losing your mind. So what do you do n? Bowl completely unregulated and when it gets low the doctors just like dump it in there. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck and that was the concert cycle. Yeah I would rather I mean so Kill cliff do the CBD stuff I love it. I am so anti putting pill into my mouth based off of I could go to the Cormon and be like I have a headache bag of eight hundred milligram Oh trans. I. Just saw my hand off by accident bag of eight hundred Bill Graham Boatmen's Yup I have cancer bagwell ended up with probably a stretch, but also probably the hand is stretch too but let's just say they will give you you know. They they just gave me so many pills and I I did go down journey rabbit hole with pills after I got hurt but I hate that shit under too. I would rather take a we'd gummy any day of the week obsoleted Ambien one hundred I'm a big advocate will I I don't think I have been an advocate of been talking about it and I've never openly said this on a podcast but I'll say it now is is I am an advocate for. Number one anything CBD related. Yes. That's that's good. CD like on Cana, which I'm I'm I I know the guy who started the company who's a former ranger, and he puts the right filtered doses of CBD candidate Benoy respecters that are going to affect change and help help you and also a big fan of. The kill cliff CBD DRINK I can't even keep them in stock because all my guys are crushing I just give them away. I love. Them. And people will ask me all the time doesn't make a difference I. Feel it physiologically, I do feel it, and so I have. Like. Messed with all of it like the saw and the cream and some of them don't work great and I found stuff we're like I'll get banged up you rub it on there and it's like two million I feel so much better in its localized to that one place I'm not having to ingest. Pill, after pill after pill, and then I need to eat because I was going to feel like I was going to throw up. Like, wow, I guess I. do just ship all the time. You know twenty, four, hundred milligrams of Motrin. It apparently is not good for you. It's life changing life. It is life changing I get that stuff away as fast as I can because people ask at work like dude, it fucking works and I feel it more like I I will take. Or drink the I drink the drinks more often because it's can be thrown away truck, but it helps me like stress. Relief. And I don't understand a mechanism by which we by which it works, but I noticed the difference in my life. The first time I realized Ambien was a problem was in northern California when I woke up in my bed naked with dirt and mud inside the sheets with me all you went on a vision quest dude I. went on a vision quest. I tried to find vision quest naked in my jeep. I found it in a ditch, my girlfriend at the time drug my ass, and God, bless her heart like like we went through some shit together transitioned. The military was all fucked up was taken ambien drinking whisky trying to go to bed it's a classic pairing. That's yeah. You can't slime. Like red wine together and being and whiskey is not the good Combo for parents dude have you ever done the Ambien? which ones the okay. Tell me about it because I might have done it but called it something else come back off of you know sons coming up become back ud jock. Episode of twenty four goes it and everybody takes an Ambien If you're awake at the end of the episode, he takes another ambient and you continue until there's only one man standing. Yes I've done that. Don't ever do this for anybody who's listening, but that's what we used to do that the highest levels special operations. So take whatever you thought we were and then realize where a bunch of fucking monkeys because that's what we would do, and I realize anybody would do that and you'll find people passed out like face down naked on gravel the next morning, not knowing how they got their one hundred. Percent We used to do I did a sniper stay behind missions, for Iraq, is so they we would infill at night occupied during the day watch and observe the guys that were going after for from across the street or whatever, and we would be in that house I will take. It wasn't the adderall you're right it was like the ship that fighter pilots got yeah and I can't remember the. Name of it but God damn to thirty minutes later, your skin tangling you here's what I realized. It was a problem but like I enjoyed it when I was staring out of a window pulling security and enjoy doing so like for hours and fucking like an hour, this is fucking amazing like I love pulling security and staring at the fucking ground my brain, and then you come back from that. So, exhausted age about seven years every time you take those bills, it would fuck people up. We had guys. The problem is in combat you do those kind of rotations and then you rip out of it and then you go back into a a normal cycle and have fun with that transition. It's fucking and so you get back on the train I I was able to break it more than most. Because I didn't really have an addictive personality and never have. But when I got on the military I'm like I can't sleep the the Va Gamy tone, which is a a horse tranquilizer did a fucking mind as well. Then it made me if any fuck a fucking Zombie if I if I was traveling right now be sleeping under the fucking table. And it's supposed to help you with anxiety, but it's supposed to help you sleep and they would do Ambien transito on and they would give you. Give you both. How do you even survive that barely do and peopled people don't, and then with alcohol if an fucking richer life? Yeah. I took Indika is the one that makes you sleepy okay and they're sativa that keeps you awake and there's now it's smart because they do different strains of it for the first time ever in my life because I was anti, we do I was the guy in technical community college because that was my college outside of military college that I went to. where I I argued with kids like you fucking loser fucking. We'd had you don't understand and and looking back on like what the fuck like I wish every. I wish every member of special operations was allowed to smoke weed because I know when they came back from home and they were all fucked up and they were showing it and anger and emotional breakdowns and they. Hit, a fucking joint or the eight, a gummy that would go holy fuck. It's not so bad the out around the corner substantially and they would when I slept for the first time in my life I realized what sleep was and how important it was and the and I wasn't hooked because of the of because of the drug I was hooked because of the result. And so I'm a big proponent of and I know we sidetrack there I fucking like we'd I'm a big big careful with the quantity that you consume people. So yeah, you WanNa talk about stories you never talked about okay. I've had a few gummy incidents in my life and I can tell this story unfortunately, the other person involved in the story has since passed away but I was in Switzerland base jumping they we were out having come some steak frites stake in. French fries. And it was the end of the trip. We've been hiking our asses off and it just at the end of the evening and my buddies like, Hey, man hit some jelly slices. ooh. And I was like Dude I wanna get a good night's sleep because he was leaving the next day I was there for like the next two days he's like here have some of cool an eight and like thirty minutes later Mike do that didn't do shit give me another one of those at that's the that's right there he he he's like You probably don't WanNa do that was like shut up dude first off I am. Of You at every fucking way whatever you take me three times that. So he gave me one and we walked over to restaurant we are sharing a bottle of wine and having little steak freed steak fries. And I remember I took a sip of wine delightful like Pinot a nice. Red. Chew, and some food and I take another sip of wine and it tastes completely and utterly different than the sip I had just taken. We're talking maybe a sixty seconds separation and in the world is just like you. And I remember at what I thought was only like. Five seconds my Alex was across the table fucking in tears. Dying laughing I remember looking up and I'm like, what are you laughing? He's just like you. You're fucked up right now aren't you I could barely walk back to where we were staying I was having like a full on psychedelic. Would it seemed like skin tingling? I got stuck on that ride for forty eight hours look again that's the thing that's why I say be careful I don't have a lot of experience with that. But what I do have experience with is getting stuck on a fucking train ride that I couldn't get off who got miserable. One of those for twelve hours and it fucked me up dude, it fucked me up. You're you're in a prison of your fucking Maya have you ever heard of a? This is interesting. You're heard of the fucking K. whole. Net Nanny thing. Sexual Ketamine. Ketamine. I've you know what I have heard that term, but I have absolutely zero experience with anything. You've ever done any ketamine. No. So had trap nor in my fucking face and because it's a painkiller, an incredibly powerful. Powerful than morphine or any of those opiates right? It's it's we can't be just as powerful but I think the the reason doctors use ketamine in this is not for my doctoral worldly experience. But people tell me is that Ketamine when you kill the pain, you kill the memory associated with the pain. So it numbs the associated factor. So most people who take ketamine and knocks them unconscious and so they don't there's no association. So they don't freak out they don't lose their shit and then when they reflect back on the pain, there's not the Association of the pain interesting. So. Never had done ketamine or any fucking thing recreationally, and in recommend ever doing it I was in hospital in this happen I had facial cellulitis and I had travel in in my face and a piece was working itself out of mind fucking nostril and it turned into an orb which manifest itself into an infection and facial realize this is over the course of a massive bump on. Yes. Well, no, it was. It was like my face was like you know how say you ida she pushed the skin and there's no. CAPILLARY response? Yeah just. Dead and taken your my face was like that. Scaring automate. Funny. So bad duty was fucking faces fucking my dad face. Dead facemask. I don't need a mask Kelvin. Was All fucked? And so I went to the doctor and. Never had any PSYCHEDELIC experiences. I'm a big fan of everything that way. Now because I think creativity is like the it's like the ocean we haven't really tapped into that especially in our minds. and. So I'm I'm sitting there in the hospital when they go hey, we're going to lance this we're going to we're going to cut it from the inside of your cheek, and then we're going to try to push the infection I'm like well that scariest fuck that's gross. But let's do this shit about what you're GonNa do for me Doc. Let's let's lay out what my options here he did. This is an amber account is. Nor Cal and the guys like have you ever done ketamine and said I haven't but I have experienced working with ketamine like in Iraq Afghanistan our docs always used ketamine on indigent people for wounds and it's classic and veterinary. Things because. It's it's mainly used for for animals and I said no but I can because I'm not a fan of morphine. It makes be Edge Shit schofield well. Here's okay I'm going to get the dock from upstairs. There's two docks in the hospital I'm going to get him to come down and we're going to put we're GONNA use. Ketamine. Instead of morphine. So this guy comes down. And he's of Arab descent and I say this for a point in the story later and he's Middle Eastern he's got a big beard and I, look at them and I'm and I'm like, okay and they have me on something already. It's like a fucking like maybe a bump of morphine. So I'm taking down a level, maybe even a volume or something like that. and. He gets set up and he walks into the room like, what am I, doing like Oh you're the only person, the hospital who could administer basically paraphrasing who administer ketamine. So you're going to get this and the nurse hands I'm a Syringe of. and. It looks like a lot of Shit Shipton but he goes over. And he goes to ivy line and he sticks it and he goes. Okay. Just let me know. This is happening fast and look at Doctor. Who's talking to me? He goes. Okay. So what we're going to do, we're GONNA start out and he turns back at the doctor who's administering the Ketamine and the guy pushes the whole fucking. Like he literally like jams it and the the guy looks back at him. And and the guy looks at he goes was I supposed to and he goes And there's this moment of like they're looking at your own, fuck they look at the nurses, the nurses like what the fuck and they, and then I fucking transport. Into A fucking other universe. I. Swear to God. I. Was like. What the fuck is. and. He just I straight into orbit on one Elon. Musk. Rocket. Suit. Was the most here's what I'll say about this. Outside of the most traumatic experiences in war. This trump's every one of those experiences by ten tenfold. I was ineffective world where my head was on a fucking rollercoaster and it's just it's not a passive. This is a dream dreaming I got segment. I'm immersed in this fucking world like I remember it all my heads on a rollercoaster and I'm floating around on this roller coaster through space and time. And I'm interacting with. People. In through this, the course of this interaction I come to the conclusion that I have no communication with my body. I'm just a fucking floating ORB that is a cartoon. Looks like fucking family guy and an I not only do I realize this but I come to terms with it and I come to terms with the existence that I'm going to live as a fucking head on a roller coaster, but it's going to be cool because everybody hears cool I feel good fucking live in this life, and then as I'm transporting this roller coaster all the sudden. I hit you don't the tracks are roller coaster when it comes to an end break you it goes Jeju tradition. All of a sudden is going. And my head's fucking coming on this on this court. And I'm looking around I'm confused because the rides kind of over and all of a sudden I feel like my body reconnecting with my brain and I kind of come out of it a little bit in my eyes wake up and I I start seeing shit and my in my right hand, I have the person who's in the fucking. Stretcher in hospital that's between the curtain and me I fucking reach over and grab her fucking It's like the arm rest thing and rip her towards me. then. I all remember is like the nurses pinning me to the fucking ground I. Look Up. And the. Arab doctor I'm sorry about this and that fucking racist. But he looks at me I'm like fucking Haji Beer. I'm like yelling Haji Beard in the middle of the he's in shock. The nurses are shock on fucking screaming and a look over my ex girlfriend is recording the whole fucking Ama- She just got it. She's like filming the Shit and I'm freaking losing it and I'm coming out of it and it starts to come back and then. I realized I was out and I look at my ex girlfriend and I'm like what the fuck happened. She goes you fucking law like your eyes were rolled back your head the whole time I was like wait a minute. What do you mean rolled in the back of my head like I must have been out for like a day like what the fuck you out for ten minutes. Ten fucking minutes. It felt like a lifetime like lived entire lifetime in this conference state. So I'm like what the fuck just happened holy fuck I through this and I started doing research on the K. hole and apparently everybody who experiences this does experiences the same kind of cartoony visual Phil. Becoming, this associated with their physical body has this life altering experience and fucking added and it was all trauma. It was all I. Mean some people have a good experience. My experience wasn't bad but it was significant and I realize man there is another portal inward that I have have not even fucking begin to understand and that's why I'm fascinated by the whole fucking. I mean. I. That was supposed to Costa Rica I o Oscar probably or skipping down South America I began or whatever they give you. Yeah. I was supposed to do that I hard pass on that because I pay my own fucking travel fucking terrified of that shit man somebody described it I'm gonNA paraphrase, but they basically said you know when it comes to psychedelics. The people who? Should or are considering using psychedelics be prepared. To give the anchor chain of reality a tug. Don't go down that route unless you're prepared to do. So I totally fucked that up at a kind of which you ever do it. In a controlled setting, it have to be super controlled, right it would have to be super controlled for me. I am willing to give the anchor chain of reality tug because I. Want to learn more about myself. That's the reason that I would do it. I'm not interested in having an experience that isn't meaningful or that doesn't provide more insight into who I am as a person. Yeah I, think that's the benefit of it. Yeah. I having said that fucking terrified of it. Yeah. I when. When I was started like, I. Got started getting into Mushrooms and understanding like my seal Liam and and DMC and all these things. I tripped mushrooms, and I've never trip mushrooms before and the only interest for me was healing. You know healing which they say it literally does if you talk to the doctor cellular level at a cellular level like the synopsis that score I think it's called Mylan but it's thick the scar tissue that creates memories. It's I see scar tissue trying to visualize it's nat literally that yeah. But it creates this portal. What what the Silla cyber does is it creates new neural networks that redefined. So it's the idea like. The and I I'm not a big ID trauma guy. I've never seen like I've been idea before. And it was a catastrophic, but it didn't fuck me up. Yeah. So I'm driving. You're driving down a road and you see a bag and the bag reminds you of an ID and you go into a you know your was a Adrenal adrenal glands your I'm not sure the mechanism but I know what you're describing fighter flight but the hypothalamus activates cortisone it floods to your fucking system and you fucking react. That is caused by memory that is triggering that in decryption neurological response, right the physiological response. So I see the bag oh. Fuck and then go into fight or flight or freeze. So what this literally does, and this is just at the education that I got on it as it creates another pathway around that. So when you see that you go, there's a fucking bag on the side of the road and then you then you move on with your life instead of transporting back to that because you're you're triggering memories that are associated with physical conditions in the real world that you experience, which is the whole means behind memories in the first place to remind you. And trigger your physical body to allow you to survive in primal or ancestral kind of conditions Oh shit there's a fucking tiger. Now I need to change the physical composition, my body to survive. So if I didn't have that association, I'd see talking. Oh, fucking. It's like the ladies letting in the raccoon she thinks it's fucking cat she's letting inside so. It creates a pathway but when I fucking trip mushrooms. I'm not a big native, American, native, American and very small percentage of it. I don't even know where the fuck it comes from. It's like four to six generations away. When I fucking trip mushrooms I went into another portal of my mind I fucking saw. And Watch a cowboy movie and fucking years I saw native American Indians and full warrior Kit. Running and full-gallop with fucking streaming Falcon Eagles faces pushing through space in front of him which. Mind Boggling were I switched straight there didn't even research that there was this a common experience shared by people who trips Simon, but it was all like I was a fucking native American any. Dude I was in a residential home in a comfy bed. And there wasn't any kind of that. material or thought inside of my head I was like I want to go into the state and fucking see if I can heal some shit and I'll send 'em transport the fucking a fucking cowboy Ninian's movie and but it was profoundly impactful because I realized dude, you're not fucking what you perceive is not the reality that you tangibly live. It's inside an and it made me feel better about like I woke up I remember coming out of it. And tell them telling my family and my friends like Dude Dat fucking was impactful and not only was impactful but I want to do it again I don't WanNa do it tomorrow. Yeah. But I want do it routinely. Enough experience. Yeah. The mental health mental hygiene aspect of the trip you gotTa do a man never tried it. The. The best way to do it is They can get mushrooms and chocolate. from legal sources because there's a lot of places in the United States now, Denver Portland or their cities in states that have legalized it. Yeah. Fuck. Owner of the fact that it's illegal kind of fucking bizarre to me, but it's it's control but not there it's legal to use and. You. Take you microdosing and what I've would have also I can't believe I'm fucking amid all of. Kill. Recovery. So. Now you microdosing and what microdosing does at least for me is it increases the blood flow to my fucking head like I feel. It feels like admiral in a weird sense it's not like adderall, but it feels like you're on. Like an upper. But without the upper down for like, you don't have to shit your pants. You don't feel like jittery and that's the tough one to describe to people about the upper they gave us the downside was fucking trap door that was substantially worse than the up. Horrible. They put me on my fucking ass for forty eight hours. How did you? How did you cycle? because. You live at life in and you do those those rotations. How did you cycle away from that? I would stop trying to take ambien about two weeks before coming home and force myself through those really rough three to five days. You can't sleep because that Shit's addictive it is addictive as fuck and I would try to get on a normal sleep cycle and and It was tough good sleeper now. Often on a often onto. Yeah. It's pretty good sleep or I if my brain does a revolution on topic I'm fucked. This. If you try my my brain's the same way if I if I get up to Piss in the middle of the night and if I have like thought right at one full revolution of like, Hey, I need to do this task. Don't forget to do this task clock talk that's all you'll be thinking about correct. Yeah. I'm the same way I have to almost pretend to be a dummy like I'm like I'm so tired of fucking dumb and going to sleep and then I'm like. One fucking thing you haven't done on now and then it's what your mind you have another one and then you're planning out your entire day and I'm sitting there looking at the ceiling going through analytical thoughts a two in the morning. So I don't sleep well I. Don't think I've ever. Have I ever slept well. As well I I think slept five when I was in high school and Shit like that. But I can't remember a time where I've had a consistent period of my life even for like a week or had wake up like. This is amazing. You ever tried the devices like the Aurora I just ordered that a roaring. It's the ring that now editors your vitals. A buddy not a buddy of mine. He's associate of mine. hoped to have him on a podcast in his name's Jeff Wu. He's big bio hacker, but that ring is supposed to be really accurate is so basically, if US insight into what your body's going at it, I think a lot of it has to do with physical movement. So when you're moving in your shifting which I do constantly yeah Tracks your sleep that way, and then gives you feedback and then gives you windows like for some reason like today I got up at four in the morning. Jacobi proud yeah. I took a picture of my see I. Don't post pictures. I wake up at three fifty but I, don't post. It's a secret closed again I'm three, forty nine but it's five. Yeah, we don't. I don't like to Brag Hashtag. But when I when I woke up, I think it was four seventeen. I stayed up. But. If I go back to bed at six, thirty or seven, there's this magic window where I'm nauseous because I can't I'm so frigging fatigued and tired that I sleep from six thirty to seven thirty or even six, thirty, seven it feels like I got ten hours of sleep really because I'm so fucking burned out and I don't know what it is. That we're fucked up because we're fucking horrible. So we have to go back explain to me why you started missing contingency I'd. Be the longest digression in you. fucking. I don't know how we went down that path would I'm glad that we did that was that's fucking insane Sorry about that stop looking at your instagram, but I know. Three Yoga picks young. America well. So we got to the naming convention. Yeah. Then people reaching out to you saying, Hey, what do you WANNA do? Yes. What should we do? I should say well so we the IT lined out is I I did well, here's the biggest problem with all this. How the fuck do you do that anything without being suppressed because when I when I thought about it, even on my own account and talking about it in live feats they're getting taken down. INSTAGRAM. Mechanism is for that. Is that people complaining or do they have an algorithm? It's it's both. Okay. It's it has to do with key words and phrases. It even has to do with What's complaints? And I have is why report your posts every time me to mmediately click on This man's racist. I've been giving you one stars on your podcast I do zero. But it hasn't been changed in the the stacks you're getting bigger and better, and you get more ratings I'm just helping you out there. it does have to do with that in I realized it's not going to help either if you early on get branded externally as a Fringe Organization militia, right wing the combination of this do none of those are going to help either I'm sure those algorithms are looking for shit like that like facebook deleted not only antifa counts but every single. I think they're called three presenters. The three percent are group's the right wing Gush of the Patriot groups they deleted them all I mean thousands of them I I even had some contact me like how can we reallocate or guys want to get involved? So when when I looked at this from a cut up kind of a business mind perspective in how to affect the most people. I realized that I couldn't put it on any social media platform I did put on instagram until it is. Eventually, it'll suppressed but I wanted to have a contingency set up to where people can go outside of the main social media platforms to be able to find us. So a buddy of mine will Harbin bigshot the will and and Georgia? He's a video game company guy. bought sold. Traded did a whole bunch of companies he goes hey, you should use a company called locals and I'm like well, I'm not good. He's fucking because logos like your local. LS Yeah, it's like a it's like a fuck I thought it was a fucking dating APP. It's like farmers dot com ca from Sony dammit. Farmers Dot com I gotta take my profile down. Your shirt today though dude fuck you'd be I'd put that as your profile I fucking. Blew my Let's work on our hamstring flexibility. fucking Jim over there Oh. Yeah. Do involuntary yoga folding clothes with people still in it is it oh yeah. That's that's the best kind. Is that open still you guys are still open, right? Yes. Can I even say that on the? Sort of. Tennis. I don't know the exact phase that we are in in Montana but traveling Keesa the owners there, and they actually proactively shut down very early. Yeah. and and they were right to do. So I think both from a medical and social optic perspective I have been able to train the entire time, but I also take it upon myself my own. Health Safety and security of things that we're talking about. So a small group of us who manage their social contacts would meet and we would still train and accept the risk of that and what will we really honest though if we're travelling who were hanging out with but where we are is geographically remote, I mean Montana is a socially distance of that. Yeah by topography and geography. So I have been able to keep training, but they have phased back in based on the guidelines that have come through. So it is open now. Yes I love it man So he he hits me up and he says you should be on this platform negatives, Dayton platforms, kind of blow him off and I'm looking. For platforms my my idea was I'll just crowd source this shit and I'll. I'll start on my own. APP. That is I realized how much fucking APPS cost millions and millions of dollars for a good one for a good one you I mean, you could go on and make your own fucking Goo up and it's a bag of shit. Don't do that. Yeah. In the in the worst thing about that is when you when you start looking at something like this, which is harvesting. Social Contacts. It's completely and utterly. potentially. Exportable by should heads, of course, and and most people don't think about that. So I security is on my mind. where I put them on a platform is on my mind and then not being suppressed. So I've actually reach out to the guy named Ari who's who's the CEO of local he's also co founder and he's a former Israeli defense officer interesting American and he's like, Hey man. Listen. I know secure in Israel is no security more than anybody and he's like, I, I know what you're talking about and here's Laid out for you and he lays out the groundwork for for the server he goes we will never suppress you. We are not in the business of suppression. That's why we started locals because we want to have people on the platform who know that if they want moderate, they'll moderate themselves, which is another fucking ball of wax. So. He gave me the confidence that I could. Potentially push everybody to locals. So I start that movement. While the problem with the problem I think it's actually the benefit of locals is that it's a subscription based model just like all these platforms, how the fuck are you supposed to build the server, maintain the server for free and do it for free? So we started looking at it. I go all here. We'll do a free version of it, which is American contingency that does open source Intel I got twenty two analyst who are OJ guys. That open source gather information and then reallocated and disseminate it for geographical regions. They'll say, hey, there's a protest in your area in this vicinity on this hour on this date. Stay the fuck away. And so they do that for free on America contingency dot? com. And, there's a paid slot and I'm like I'm not gonNA charge people a lot of fucking money. So what's the minimum bucks? So the minimum is five dollars a month, and in that fold, it allows us to start vetting people. Which means I do a background investigation on you. I verify you are who you say you are, and you're not a shithead. Even if you're a shithead as long as you didn't touch a child I'm okay with that. So I support the death penalty for pedophile. I support like fucking like torture and fucking Oh. I was going to I didn't say how they were going to die. Yeah. We should be Burnham's motherfuckers to the ground the sex offender APP which is a to me a d. f. tool a directly finding fucking tool should if you're going to go out and kill yourself. This is like you should I I want to advocate for you did not do that but all these people were fucking wasting their lives. There's plant I shouldn't say this on a podcast. I think this is my inside voice coming out. What you on the sex offender APP, you could fuck it fine shitheads in your backyard by a Red Pin. You don't. You don't even WanNa look at that in Florida by the way. I have looked at that and I look at least take a look at it anytime that I've looked at moving and all I will say to people is you should go take a look and. You'll probably be utterly shocked. It's fucking scary. Isn't it? The number of red pins is very, very high. It looks like a cancer direct and and more. More. So if you click on the red pen shows you the dudes face and if you look at these fucking people you're like, wow wow. I, don't mean to stereotype but you fucking look like a sex offender not uber like the fucking on the map. Yeah it's fucking insane. Yeah. anyways, we digress again we do. That's fine. It's American contingency paywall. So so there's the the pay wall which might might begin also to is we have people complain they're like. Like hosted twenty thousand dollars with training at South Carolina at the Sawmill it's actually going on today September Eleventh Twelfth Thirteenth for three hundred people from all from low from American contingency dot locals, Dot Com. So there members and they got a training from mostly seals five navy seals, three GS buddies a couple of guys who are teaching them self defense situation awareness net just tactics, but how to think you know? And their families there there's people who they're with their children. There's there's husband and wives training together. And and there's people complaining saying five dollars it's like fuck dude. You could pay five dollars for fucking energy drinking a gas station, but you're fucking complaining about getting free information and free training via an apparatus that brings people together. So I thought, how is this going to? How am I going to navigate this world? and and what does it look like evolving? Well, one, it is a means to educate people. So it's a train apparatus that's online training, off-line training, physical training mindset training. Also. Teaching people how to lead in their own communities. When I did my first American hit couldn't see me it was Oregon. And maybe fifty seventy five people showed up. It was a small group because we're restricted by the the community center that allows us to do it. And the sentiment was the same they're scared. They don't know what to do. They don't know what the start point is. So people just need guidance and I want to run this like how effective of government should work where I give you the promise that I'm GonNa give you left and right limits. I'm going to create some construct of law and order which is saying, Hey, you can't scumbag and be on this APP you can't be you can't be a troll and talk shit and be negative and toxic 'cause they'll just block in fucking delete I'll give you your fucking five dollars back. And then give you education where you can do what you need to do in your own communities to lead on your own because the dictatorship, the hierarchy that the I'm going to be the sergeant major. You're going to be the team leaders that will fuck it never work because people have their own incentives, their own agendas, and we'll fucking fail. So I'm I'm saying look I'm not on that sergeant major glover's not flying out to you and fucking cure. But what you could do is look in your own communities you can look at the construct of the way you're organized families, friends whatever that might look like, and you can come together as a community and stand up in your churches stand up in your workplaces and say, Hey, maybe we should do something together and come together as a community to protect ourselves and that just manmade. We're not talking about fucking. Writes the bigger scheme of maneuver. Here is we're talking about what's going on right now with the displacement of human beings and the wildfires in Oregon in. California. Did you hear about the National Guard forty-seven pilots just came in? Yeah. How they took off with against sore guys with those one sixtieth guy I don't think they were they might have actually been forty six is instead of forty-sevens, but I'm amazed. Amazed, they could take off with their balls weighing them down. fucking believable. Basically from what I heard Kalfa was like listen we can't get to you. It was like two hundred people national guards, just GonNa fucking die in the National Guard like hold my fuck and beer just a the. Launch and people out of the fall. In. fucking rescue those people some of those pictures from the cockpit to like Shit is just a blaze everywhere saying guys just like. Yeah he'll be as fuck and handlebar. Moustache. US With the Raleigh. Seniors. Pipe a fucking. Love that man. I I. That is the thing to go in. This is another one that I try to tell people. You can avoid. The riots and protests largely unless you know again, Tim was talking about the Uber driver who got put in the wrong direction. He got fucked right in Austin. He ended up shooting the guy who appointed an egg. But Guess What if you pointed Aka me I'm gonNA shoot you too. It's happens. That's a mathematical formula in my mind there's no emotion in that. That is one plus one equals two shots to your face. But mostly, it's completely and utterly avoidable. You don't have to go strap a gun on and come down to callous bell to they. All were protecting the veterans monuments like. I don't know if it was really at risk, you don't have to do that. But. You have probably no choice if of wild, let me look where I live to you or were house last time. There's a damn good chance. Well, not a damn good chance but I have a better chance of being involved in an environmental situation that I ever will. Because I'm not going to go to a riot I'm not going to I'm going to remove myself from that. There are so many more threats other than what you just see on the news. Yeah. I what I people should understand even though it seems like the world's falling apart the world when it comes to natural disasters is literally falling apart. Yeah. We we are consumed constantly with. In the new cycle because you haven't seen it, there's been a catastrophic windstorm. A cyclone a hurricane numerous tornadoes wasn't a double hurricane. Yeah. Taxes to to storm surges caused by to back to back tropical storms that that hit the country there was there's major wildfires that are making historic references right now in the history books, it's the biggest cal fire circumstance they've ever dealt with an history. Oregon's following that same suit it since two thousand fifteen was the the highest spike of fires. They will beat that this year, the mayor boy or the government or just blamed it on climate control thought was comical. Talking. Let's not even go down there. But what I want people to understand is America catoon sees about looking at yourself and realizing that you need to be your own first response you have to take your life in your own hands and the lies your family's if you're waiting for governments if you're waiting for institutions to come bell your ass out, then you're going to fucking potentially risk your life and that's not okay. The the evolution of this the last components be prepared, but the evolution of this is I want people to be able to help each other understanding they're they're also in the American continuously pipeline. So it's just a better way of looking at you as being vetted. Right. If I show up on seeing gotTa American continuously shirt sticker ID where the fuck it is and you're married guy we have a commonality or a common bond and at least establish soap's we know, hey, we know what I ate and trauma is you know and it's generalized I, don't I don't mean we know how to shoot move and communicate together I just mean we're on the same sheet. Of fucking music. So when when it does hit the fan and we're able to logistically which requires funds that's why I'm excited that it is a a revenue stream because we're able to do the training on the east. Coast, we're doing it Dallas Fort Worth we're doing series. California were doing it and Golden Del Washington, these mass events where we could help train that one day we could mobilize and help each other and I don't give a fuck. If there's nothing going on, we'll go to the fucking homeless and trying to take ten homeless people off the streets and and have counselors, psychologists and people there to help them see if we can get them off the fucking streets. We are surrounded by natural manmade disasters and catastrophes every single day. Oh, he's going on somewhere in the world at all times sanitary sixty five. We could have a community of like minded people who on the same sheet of music that have some semblance of organisation that have that are like minded per out of all the things that I've seen bring people together like Jujitsu brings your your people in your community together right Preparedness. Is that for me because when when, when I see people from different sides of the aisle liberals from San Francisco Conservatives from fucking Dallas Texas when they show up and they're the idea for them is to look at trauma for stayed whatever the fuck it is and getting better prepared to take care of their families they're bonded in that and it's one. Of the things that I've seen bring people together for years in my company Feel Cross survival and for me America Tennessee is the idea that we could come together as a broader community through that means it's not a fucking militant movement because it's a bad tactic it is a movement to to look in your own communities, your own backyard and come together as such. Would you agree grab that one I was GONNA kill been fucking kill that bitch you're reading me would you agree? That absolutely nothing that we did in our combined careers had any like. True Magic to it meaning that it can be reduced i. mean you come into something with whatever physical or? Emotional skills. You may have as a person and I went in with what I went. But The product or the things that we were able to do came from like the crawl walk run philosophy starting with foundational steps through practice training, practice, training, practice, training, AD, nauseam. And I guess my point in Saint all this is. I often see people who view the special operations community as Fuck like UNICORNS like No. Those people in the reality is I think that's the farthest from the truth I think that people. If they dedicate the time and energy and effort to whatever degree they want to. I'm not saying trying to make yourself into a J sock operator because if you WanNa do that, join the fuck military and then they'll do that. But then go do some good stuff with that information the point being. You could teach people everything that we did. There's no magic recipe that somebody's holding behind one of these curtain saying we're not going to share this with you. You just have to do it. When I look at it when I start all my technical, we we call him, you know gunfighter whatever. That's a marketing tactic because if you call it technical skill sets or pistol WANNA one. Won't sell as much as to be a chaplain for pistol one fifteen yeah. They're like nobody show on the advanced course there's no and that's. That's that's it. Right? There is. There's no fucking advance. There's no advanced Ninja school and I always tell people my in brief I hate to say this but I'm GonNa underwhelming you with what you're gonNA. Learn. But what I am going to do is allow you to understand. Technically that everything I'm teaching you is a developed. Technical Rep- of Skillset, right? It's it's the mechanical process. Outside of that you have cognitive processes in decision making that are going to allow you to navigate the world around you executing those technical scripts and the better your technical scripts. The more efficient you're, which means the more capability you're going to have to open up your cognition toll idea to think through problem sets. That's why seek you be close quarters. Battle starts out very technical and it's very mundane. It's it's too man Jammeh tree. Yeah. It's three men into a room center fed corner. It's it's men it's adding problems because if you add too many problems, you become overwhelmed especially if it's compounded compounded by stress what tell people all these technical shit that you learn. That never changes. If you're if you're learning on a flat range, how to shoot a pistol. and. You're doing this in a box like this rectangle that is your hands in the pistol in front of your filled the view, and it's a visual game of executing technical skill sets. What's the difference between that a flat range at seventy five degrees sunny no stress in a seven, forty seven running down the aisle trying to shoot a bad guy in the face to rescue the good guy in real life there is no difference. The only difference that are that guns are legal in airplanes. You could never do that. That's that's a video game. It's on a bus. To. Bus. The. Only difference is the environment in which you're in. So when when John Develop new mechanics in that situation, don't come up with a new tactic day. Please don't. Yeah. Because because if you realize that then you understand that what you're doing physically that you're emulating technically never changes. So if you think about that like just thinking of the kind of the fucking high level thought strategy here. If I want to be as good as the guy running down the aisle on the seven, forty seven of the bus or the bus. You probably should go. Let's go but. Then, I want to imagine that I'm going to take all the technical skill sets that I execute on a flat rate just as serious, and then practice all the different environments, which is the advancement of executing technical scripts. So now if I'm sideways laying on my side shooting a pistol in front of a car behind a car or I'm in a car or in my bed getting the pistol from. The nightstand, the technicalities of that remain the same the environment has changed. So you take all that which is a technical skill sets in the cognition that's required to perform or to maneuver through that environment, and then you take stress. That's really that is the discriminating factor between what makes an operator elite versus a person potentially be good or bad because what I've seen is the most technically proficient. People on the planet they've gone through the Q. Course they've gone through OTC, they've gone through a ranger training whatever the training is. That is not the end. All be all. Understanding of how that person is going to react in the most accumulated stress in the world, which is combat with war so I've seen the guys who were operators. or or special. Operations. Guys. In the fetal shivering shaking Sam because there's because maybe because we train for reacting to contact the bullets to guns but we're getting one. Oh, seven millimeter rockets shot in that have. A hundred plus meters and nobody prepares you for that, and then that person and you can hear those fuckers coming do does that sound is horrendous my butthole inside out we're like incoming mortar fire Oh fuck man dude insane that that's that's another level but the the point is no matter. If you look at that no matter what you do on a range no matter what you do in training. Ultimately is not going to prepare you for war like wars going to prepare you for war. That's why that's why I harp on this. Emulation technical script writing, and they an influence on instagram versus somebody who maybe is that the fastest fucking shooter but he's been to war he's been. He's been tested validated and proven, and he he's a warfighter. There's a huge fucking difference between the two of those. I would actually take what if I look backwards I would say because I get asked this often people will say, well, how did what adjacent shooter stack up against? Three gun champion and for ninety nine point nine percent of the guys they would get the floor mop with them. But they're from a technical proficiency standpoint? So solid that you could take that shooter into the bus the plane they do fine on a three gun. They're not GonNa win you know against professional shooters but take that professional shooter. Take the race gone away. Give them a piece of military hardware or fuck glock forty, five with regular sites. And say, Hey, you need to perform in all these other environments what you're going to see is one guy who just kind of cruises and performs versus guys here, and then comes back down the other direction. Yeah. I'll take the guy who's at seventy percentile, the entire time. Yeah, and in the the technical scriptwriter, the person who who practices, the technicalities of executing physical movement. That has nothing to do with the script under stress, right so the guy who runs the gauntlet of steel and paper targets and he smashes, it shows the fucking pro timer of how good is had executing a script props to you for being efficient physically and optimizing your movement and having the fastest time Kudos to you try doing that in the middle of the night in a gunfight. Bullets at you trying to take your fucking life. Why do you have to make fun Attaran tactical like that? He's a good script writer. Let's make fun of Joe Rogan Joe I. See that fucking Terron tactical range and I see shooting really fast did I'm glad that brought. Why do that hurts my feelings when I see that? because. I'm like you could see if you look at the array of target, well, they never show the impacts, but they never should. It's because every array and how it's offset you could shoot and hit any because they'll and the way that you're looking I know exactly what you're talking about the Pov of the shooter. You're just literally working probably Fronta back and it seems to be a left to right on that one side. Dude, and you know the deal is a shoes you're sitting there fucking dignity naming it is leading the recoil drive you in that direction there's no consciousness there. Does, dudes are can put most of them chicks and no offense to the checks, but most of them are just turned off their unconscious and they're just blasting that to stay cognitive during. The hardest thing for though scriptwriters. is to stop or interrupt the script as executed. It's the same. It's like the idea of doing a practical shooting exercise where you shoot the target three times and then you look left look look behind you one. When you shoot three times, you're executing a script that if you needed to shoot five rounds what would interrupt the cognition or the script. For you to be cognitive to go way three Theron's it and put them down the likelihood of doing that is less likely the more efficient you are. So if you could, if you're the script writer who grunts around in these got, let's and you do Xyz but somebody puts in and moves a target five inches to the left and you fucking miss it. Tells me your conscious to the script, but you're not conscious to reality and the unfortunate thing about reality is reality maneuvers in space and time very fluidly. So it doesn't have a pattern of paper and still arrayed in fucking micrometres right and and so when you take the operator. WHO's not as as much technically, a script proficient he's thinking through problem sets that are saving his life and people's lives around him and killing bad guys. That's how it works. I'm glad that those guys are out there You know these they're probably learning safe weapons. Well, I'm sure they are safe weapons handling nip relation to get behind the counter I love that my only concern is confusing that type of stuff with reality. Yeah and that's that to me being in the in tactical industry is the biggest problem that we have because. When, when, when somebody shows up likely they showed up because they saw me or even the script writer shoot fast and go Mike I wanNA shoot like a gunfighter well, the question should be. or or the or the the comet should be Mike I want to perform or Mike I want to think like a gunfighter right and I tell people especially in everyday carry and and and practical. Application if you are drawing a pistol and shooting bad guy in the face, you have fucked up ten times ten ten times before that actual. Happened, unless you got like ambush in the parking yet, there are the exceptions Jay Baldwin I talked to bj often he sponsored by monster and Toyota trucks he's a he's a big proponent of everyday Kerry. He's always into guns and everything else. Him and his girlfriend was shot at on Shit TV camera. I remember this. Yeah. He fucking I mean dude he he he pinched that dude from. To his face, a executing the right script, but using the right process and activating the criteria for the script in fear full of. Is when you see a guy. WHO Like I like a ADC carry pistol course I didn't the Sawmill and saw Carolina. I said to one of the young men said, you're at a gas station got pissed off Kerry carrying the pistol and a guy comes up to you. And the guy coming up to you is antagonizing US Talk Shit and he shows you the back strap of his glock, nineteen in his waistband what are you going to do? and His answer was I'm going to draw my gun. And then when I draw my gun on him, I'm going to stop and give him a chance and then, and then after I'm done giving him the chance I might depending on what he does shoot him. And so I said okay that's good because the good in this is that we're talking about it because most people don't even they haven't asked themselves the question and they definitely haven't been asked the question. So they said that's good. taught me through this process you pull the gun and you hold the gun on the guy and he draws the pistol. Then when you're GONNA do off of him. Okay. So your criteria. For killing somebody. Is when they go and physically move to the the gun. That's actually good. Next question you. What would you do if I saw the back strap of the GonNa pull a gun and shoot the do in the face Oh. Okay. That's an answer. That's a solution. Let me walk you through that process. You shot in the face who showed you the backdrop of a gun. What your criteria was was seeing the gun. On. Camera as on TV camera if it recorded that, it would look like murder it would look you shot him in the face and you killed him if he lived what's history going to be hey, man I went up and ask for directions he got hostile with me and I got scared and thought I was going to have to use my gun and I didn't do anything and he drew the pistol when he shot me and he wounded me he took. Physically possess every item that he's ever owned in his life. Yeah. Now it's now it's fucking. Came over now civil court it's civil. So now when I look at both those circumstances, the problem with how people market tactics is they make it look like it's a fucking game. The problem that we've identified in combat, it's it's not a game it's a, it's a balance between life and death. Then the game in the sense of it's comical fucking entertaining the game in the sense of one person's GonNa win and one person's GonNa fucking lose and if you hesitate in that action or don't understand the fucking process, you're potentially going to lose. So I said to the kid who drew the pistol and he held on the guy, you're not a police officer. By law if you pulled the gun and you brandished a firearm that would be a criminal act same as the guy showing you the Baxter famous. Yes same as same as guy show in the back strap, and then if you decide to shoot that guy, you've already committed the violent act before that and likely in a civil trial or in a criminal trial of trying to defend your life, you more likely would probably get manslaughter. You more likely would because you look like the antagonised, you pulled the gun, you're pointing gun in Deutz face. So most people would say, well, Mike with the fuck is the right answer with the right answer as there's a balance between living in operating and reward environments and Your fucking criteria to go right I have a criteria like you have criteria. We what's what's what's unique to the conversation is we know what the switches because not only have. We thought about it but we executed. So I know what my criteria is. So in that circumstance, if a guy is antagonizing me I am trying to mitigate contacted risk on putting the door that's in front of me between us I'm walking around to the front of my vehicle to look for cover and concealment I'm staging my fingers or my hands near the the bottom of my fucking flannel plaid shirt because I'm ready to remove it to get access to my pistol and I'm looking for. Because, if his behavior is violent, he's coming towards me. He's antagonizing me and that's one thing that doesn't mean it's the criteria in the fucking face which most kids who see these gun fighter tacticians on instagram would think I'll just fucking more that do down will you go to prison for the rest of your so easy to say and it's so not black and white like that. It's easy to demonstrate on paper fucking target rubber dummy even this retracted gun same same circumstance but now I've mitigated risk he goes for his gun in the movement of moving my execution is is executing the rolodex that have in the back of my head and picking out the script of. Draw from picnics, carry and shooting him in the chest in the face until he goes down and he's no longer threat. That's that's the technical scrip that that I've written but it's also tied to the cognition that I'm thinking through. So it's not like three rounds checking out gunned down looking down left right and rear. It's fucking. Thinking and technically scripting. The execution of it if you go to any everyday carry concealed carry course you do it yourself. The conversations that you had fucking dinner table could be more advantageous than the actual course. Literally, nobody asks the fucking question Yeah I mean let's let's ask you just fucking the entertainment because because you've been in these circumstances, what is the criteria for you to literally lift your shirt, pulled a pistol out of your waistband out of your holster and present the gun and go to work what what does that. So for me, I'M NOT GONNA, present unless a mini use it because I'm not going to brandish for. So if I go I'm going to go and for me the line in the sand is probably deeper or closer to me because I'm comfortable in my reaction like that same scenario you're talking about I was already thinking through it in my head. You can always manage you know spacing distance usually, and I'm looking I'm looking at posture I'm looking as drunk. You know what I mean is he Drunk did he mean you know what I mean? Did he meet the brandish? People branch accidentally. But guess what was right next to that fucking pistol grip was a badge. Yeah. You know what I mean. It doesn't necessarily mean there's a lot of shit you gotta take into play time of day another thing to be looking at us. Hey, is there another mother fucker with this dude am I getting maneuvered on will disguise looking at me I would do exactly the same thing. And I would be comfortable in my reaction. That my my line in the sand is an aggressive movement with the intent for that individual to do harm or to take my life, and once that is Matt I'm going to go and go until the threat is no longer a threat. That's the greatest thing you said in that is. in assessing the environmental factors or it will call this distal behavioral factors. You're determining what your actions are going to be based on their actions and people forget that because a deliberate hit looks very different than a drunk bomb looking for money. It's all deliberate here is not going to look like that at all. Yeah, tactically. behaviorally, there's there's all these signs indications and my my favorite thing you said also to created like you have the ability in your own shoes and your feet to create this into space. Yep. Just back to the point of what you about the protesters with a gun in the body armor you are disadvantaged. Mismanaging the tactic because you're not allowing yourself to break contact and you're creating the the circumstance to only meet those confrontations head on, and that's a bad tactic. That's that's like walking out in the middle of the street and Baghdad and getting out of your up armored vehicle walking down the middle of the road kicking cans that are with a high is. Fuck it. I'm taking the chance here. That don't do that. Don't be that fucking guy yeah. Hard to they're not hard to talk through I. Take that back is the exact opposite for you and either very easy to talk our way through like we could go situation. After situation and. The problem I think is that people think they're far easier to deal with than are in reality the decision to take another person's life should not be something that you are braggadocious about a shouldn't be driven bravado or. I mean, fuck. We probably both know people that want that's narrow play itself out in in the gas station and I don't want to. Yeah. You know I'd. Rather. I'd rather give some fuck wit a pass and give him another day and look on camera like, Oh, well, you were just opposing him like no I just basically walked away I managed my distance and walked away and we both live and there was no police report and none of this shit like I'd rather do that. Then be wrong. Why is I I've noticed that in myself as I've gotten older but also was a team guy in. And active duty D I was looking for fights everywhere and I was I remember it being a gas station, the shitty gas stations because unlike I wish motherfucker would. Like like. I guess it's I in my experience it's been the more exposure to violence the least likely you are to actually seek it out. Yes, and when it comes to fighting if you think you're going to be a bad ass in a fight, what I recommend people do is go due to budget soon. Realize you actually don't WANNA put hands on people because these nerd assassin motherfuckers who wear Harry Potter spectacles and fucking crunched numbers all day long will bow tie your shit and you realize it's just not worth it because you never. Unite are very I mean nobody knows who I am in this town, which is awesome. I don't have fuck in a punisher skull on the back of my truck with a veteran license plate in a fucking purple heart and have two of those don't tread on me. Of course, this describing your vehicle is I saw earlier today. I don't have any of that shit military's I don't work cam. o- out in town spoiler alert. It. Yeah and I don't mean gays in happy. I mean gays in sucking another man's Dick which I don't know if I can say that on a podcast. The opposite. One due to in another dude and it's nothing wrong with that. I'm just saying it's gay. I don't wear camel out in town. I don't wear like veteran t shirts I don't. I don't have a hat that says Operation Enduring Freedom veteran with should that'd be bad ass run away from those people. I just want to be left alone. I don't want to be involved in violence because I've seen it. I've been on the receiving end I've been on the action and of it and it all hurts does to degree in the short term or the long term, and I don't want any part of it. Man I just WanNa be left the fuck alone. I think I have a lot of empathy for people now more as well like when I see these even these dumb ass in Deutz I'm like, do you guys need a fucking job? How about this one? Is Silence Violence Mike Belmonte fucking God. surreptitious silence Holy Fetch thing now no they will scream people down your silences violence and again I was talking with Bishop is we need a different bumper sticker that says violence is violence and silence silence. True. It's fucking ridiculous. It's it's the redefining of of words like words used to mean something, and now it's like you could create any accumulation of fucking words and and change the world because it's just defined by you in the fucking cronies that that work or live with you or Buy. into. Your Bullshit. Just is somebody who's been around what's called an average amount of violence in their life. It doesn't feel to me like silence. At all not even close but once an incredible talking point that they'll sit there and like you know, yell at Unisys like. Again context, let's get some more context. Let's get some more laps around the sun. Let's get some more experience outside of an insulated bubble where you're surrounded by opportunity. which maybe it makes people too soft. I think it's a part of that I. don't like when I see all the circumstances unfolding where people are getting bullied like the you see the one where they're in the restaurant. There's one in the subway where telling talent razor fist and they. Had A pen in them. I just can't fathom one of us being in that circumstance right? I can't fathom doing that to another human being to me that seems like. If, I was to try to think of a way an effective way to make sure that nobody would ever even truly consider my idea or philosophy away. That is how I would make sure that has never. Even considered. Yeah that'd be like the number. Okay. How about some with the least effective way I can behave to spread my message it would look exactly like I want people to see I want people to hate me and I. I also want people to realize that I'm tyrannical I'm the dictator repressive dictator and and it fits like when I see that when they talk about fascism and Nazi Germany I see that in the go that's fucking the woven s I mean they're fucking bully tactics or like they'll girl following some the couples out of the GOP convention. And they're they're walking the cell phones and she's like I'm GonNa Kill Your Wife How do you feel about that? I'M GONNA fucking kill your wife as they're walking I can't imagine walking with my spouse and somebody's saying I'm going to kill your fucking loved one that's not going to go. That would not oh, that would not go but the proper here's the. All that said the problem that I see that actually that is stupid. Right I. I. Look at that Shit, I go comic. What's this dumb shit but the problem that I see is when you have people who are politicians in positions of. literal power like meaning the district attorney's your that are changing use of force policies across our nation. That's fucking scary because if I defend my life in that circumstance, if you have somebody anywhere on any given day, they come up to you and put their finger in your face and they say I'm GonNa fucking kill you. That's a crime. You can't you can't. You can't one you. You can't tell somebody you're gonNA fucking kill them because you can't verbalize a assault. Yeah. You can't say that that'd be like saying I have a gun will you told everybody had a gun calling nine one one you're probably going get rolled the bomb on an airplane Bob. Bob here. So that with that being said. If it's not enforced and there's no ramifications and there's only pandering and facilitation. Then what does that look like for us on the other end that are just law-abiding because if I'm in that circumstance, I'm grabbing that. Woman by her fucking face almost use a different home when I was. So full almost use a different word almost think it started with a B. No no, no something else see. No. One. fucking. Chick chick with sort of. It was I would take that fucking chick I would smash your fucking grabbed her by her face and shoves her off the fucking sidewalk that I was on and project violence. So everybody around who thought they were going to violently do anything. Now it's like you know dogs small each other's asses. Let everybody know that I'm the fucking Alpha in that circumstance, and then I would posture myself to be able to defend my life because the the chance of that going bad or high because now it what it's turning into is I'm going to push you get an era fifteen. Then we're pushing the fucking ground. They don't take a skateboard hit you in the fucking head. fucking pistol and pretend like recall, and then try to shoot you in the face and Rittenhouse experience fucking for those. All those are compounded when you are. The minority meaning numbers wise. Vastly superior mob mentality fuck man do those mobs. That Renou Shit bums me the fuck out because it really does he's. Boy Same Way. I'm like fucked I if that was my son that would bought the fuck out because now I like the likelihood of going to prison for murder as unlikely but the likelihood of him I don't think there was premeditation. So they're going to have them with that but manslaughter reckless reckless homicide. Charge us a minimum of five years in prison that dude for a seventeen year old kid who thought he was doing the right thing which you can't argue that the ANTIFA people think they're doing the fuck right thing throwing bricks at people's faces hitting people in the head with skateboards. That's never the right thing. But defending standing there with an ar fifteen defending a business at as all accounts lineout and videos that he was doing it for the right reasons. Even, he was the day before he was scrubbing graffiti off a fucking wall. Yeah I mean it's unfortunate that whole fucking thing took place. It's unfortunate that this guys lost their allies over something. Dumb. I agree and I actually think that his his mom if she took him there knowing what he was up to share in that prison sentence I. Think so too I. Think She's fucking adult. Yeah. He's he's a minor. He's a fucking child. Yeah I mean that was in the army was seventeen but nobody gave a fuck to you know because at. Argument will come up, but we were also trained and supervised, and we were never at a point where we were running around by ourselves was Eric's this even you're part of of a unit working together as a team. It was a very different environment you. Yes. People were eighteen or seventeen and a half, whatever it may be conjoined military and get that training. But they're not like sent off into the woods by themself. Yeah. You know it's it's a completely controlled environment and what you have almost at all times especially if you're that young is very senior people with severe oversight over you because guess what that Shit's dangerous. Yeah. Fuck you. If if there was a recall right now would you go? Yes. No hesitation. Would you go back? Oh, three would depend on the job they were offering me. Shooter or flying desk I'd be like, here's my commission. Take that commission. Yeah. I. Mean I don't I don't think I'll ever lose. The willingness to do that I think I'm timed out currency wise. Intact gear is moved on. I'm sure the tactics are relatively the same but. I mean how how? How could I not? Yeah. How can I pass with? They came to me and said, Hey, we need you to come who the fuck would I be. If I said, no, go find somebody else I have to I believe that you have to be. In a value, add responsible accountable member of society and already dedicated my life to that earlier on and the philosophies that I had. When I went in there had been strengthened the the love that I have for this country. Regardless if I believe in somebody's opinion or not I'll still listen to them like it's only been strengthened, which are which, what's that purpose or what's that Service. Now, what are you doing? I think we're doing it right now I think. Well. I don't know I don't. We talked about mushrooms we'd. Well it I think it's the fact that we can sit down and have a longer conversation from an interesting experience that a lot of people don't have and I and I and I say that I think it's meaningful because I get hundreds of messages from people saying, Hey, this was meaningful to me. I mean from a tactical perspective I everybody has an expiration date. You'll time out but the ability to pass on that knowledge to talk about things like leadership and integrity and accountability and responsibility. And how to apply those things the what if scenarios that we're talking about I? Think it has incredible value I think we're doing that now. That affects thousands of people I think it does does probably less so you and I because we're talking about things we came up though in such a bizarre and unique path if you really think about it from just a math perspective. Are. Optic in our context is very it's skewed and that's why I thinking by fucked him. You're right like I don't think about the bias I have or the inherent distrust, but it comes from. Engagements with human beings that just. You know seeing the worst sides of humanity there's no way I can turn that off and I do view everybody that way. But don't worry I view everybody that way equally across the board man or woman. I inherently hate you until you prove otherwise. What do you? What do you? What do you find in passion in now is it seems like he picked up the you're. Well, I loved you Jitsu for a couple of aspects. One is a never ending learning process, right so how can you not for me? I love those things do not fall in love with something where the state moves along with you like you'll never master it. So I love that but also there is a crazy element of. Psychological and physiological readiness in there as well. Having I mean, it's not Jitsu. I say, this is a concept. It's not hard but being very good at it or proficient in it is very hard. It's it's weight in leverage in. Angles. An you know that's really easy to say those three things and you're going to get smashed for years on the Mat because you have to learn those things incrementally the concepts of shooting not that hard right stance how to hold a gun satellite manager control your trigger easy to say we could go out to a range right now and people would be shooting into the ground in front of them would be like a shocking pattern because it's easy to say it's hard to do but. I loved you too because it keeps my mind sharp and I do view it from the perspective of self defense and you need to hear this people not self offense. I don't want to get in a fight. Yeah. I don't fuck and want to get in a fight. Yeah. But if you force me to that place, I'm going to be as capable and competent as humanly possible and if he forced me to that place where there's weapons involved, you need to stand the fuck by because I'm still training on those things as well. So I think. The most. Rewarding thing that I do at this point, one would be going and talking to organizations and people about leadership that's off the table right now. So that'd be probably the thing I'm the most passionate about. But I. Think we're touching more people now. Yeah. Doing this. Yeah. It seems like It always has seemed that way in the last few years since I started my podcast that it's becoming a thing. Yeah. podcasting long-form versions of it. Are. Know quite that third person in the room. Yeah. Go to digest all that information Are you gay or Nogi? I do both do both most of the class will the class that we take our wearing a ghee but definitely open matt pop the top on and off and I think a lot actually with a conversation with Rogan about this because I was asking him he came. Up I know he got his black belt from one of the Machado's and I mean I, it might have been John Jock but he got also a black belt from Eddie Bravo, which is specifically Nogi and I think he did more of that than rolling. So I asked him how he approaches Roy Magee and the thing with a key to do like door handles you're just like year. which is not there except for in Montana like your flannel would is pretty much I. Choke you to death tweet or anyway. Yeah it's it is even t shirts if the less a seems don't rip, you can get choked to death with a Goddamn beefy t hanes. But. In Montana sweatshirts jackets, it's pretty common but talking to joe he's like when I wrote the G I just don't take those grips. So that way what he is doing is not reliant upon clothing and I like that right he's able why rely on a single point failure and then that's that's a day one shit for us I don't WanNa have a tactic only works it's like hey, here's a tactic asterix if they're wearing a jacket. What about is the benefit? Yeah. What if we're at the beach, you know like we had no jacket no shirts were wearing shorts to work there. So I always approach. Jujitsu from a perspective of. Being able to handle myself in the thing is like the more I learn about at the least the less likely am I don't want to go and do that shit in a bar I don't want to hurt anybody because you learn about you know like, okay it's it's. It's not even fair when you encounter when you are somebody who doesn't know anything but they've been. So. Easy. It is easy in you know what? The the easier thing fucking walkaway Byrom walkaway. or You as your body holding up very well actually. Yeah. So but I'm in fucking indestructible. There's never been somebody built lake me yes true. Tall. lanky. Yeah. No it's. I got my I, got miles on the old. Meet vehicle that I. Walk Around your backs good. Yeah. Knees back. Sneeze at my elbow a couple weeks ago, which was my fault. And I what I do is I listen to my body though I'm not twenty anymore I turn forty three next month and I I. Don't need to remind myself of that because I wake up every morning and I feel that. So I take it easy and I I was really lucky to find a school where the Matt Culture is. Awesome. It's not a bunch of twenty year old dudes touted up and there's nothing wrong with that. But I'm just saying the people who if you go to look for Edgy Jitsu school and it's all beefed out dudes in their early twenties smashing each other and you're a little bit later on in your revolutions around the. Sun just realize they're going to treat you like a tank. So find a place that has a more balanced, Matt the culture is it's awesome. You death matches for sure. But for the most it's very chill and he you know you I mean I will escalate of people escalate, but I just tried to start very level. Yeah. My neck I got a compressed disk and see three and four yeah and at the base of my spine. And so like last roles rolling with chat robot. Sean. Chad's he's a former a champion fighter He's also a a a I can't remember what degree black belt in Brazilian Jujitsu. He's a Gracie guy and he dropped me by Paulo drove me Oh my fucking neck and instantly I felt that nerve out and just blow my neck out and I was fucking just I was like man in my ever going to get back and I wondered if it was a conditioning thing. Besides him planning two hundred pounds of my ass on my neck, which he shouldn't have done by the way your. The way he the way he was moving me it just set me up for that way. Yeah and the last I blew my hamstring off of my fucking bone and Jitsu in a bad fucking. Train out for the modern combat of Shit Yeah and I just I feel like that'd probably that probably didn't hurt at all if you like dude. That's the most painful Andrew ever had. It's the cramp that never went away. Oh, it's all should get a cramp in you're like, Oh God and then that feeling of Oh fuck. Never, went away and I was like. What is going on then just in constant pain and then surgery more pain than it fuck it finally went away. Yeah. No I I try to remember how old I am I wanna have as many usable years as possible but I think pursuits like that will actually extend usable years I. Want to get back right man. Yeah I see you doing this essay. You you you guys are motivate me because I see Rogan's old asks you you doing it and oldest fuck I know seventy four I think he just turned Surprising move to Austin. I don't know much about us. I'm not surprised he moved to Texas I don't know much about the individual. Austin's net. I almost allison's got good beer Good show. But Austin is like cal maybe that's the reason why it's like California. Abia but it's just fucking I don't know man his. Texas I'm not a fucking. It's too fucking hot there. Now, this summer months you will die dude I was a Dallas Fort Worth and it was a hundred and six degrees on the range we had. We had people passing out in the fucking class. This is not good. Let's kind of awesome my insurance is going to. Shit can should Cami I can't do it. Fuck what you want to end with you. Yeah. We've been at it for three and a half hours again. Really. Yeah that's solid. I always know a good podcast when I don't feel like it's it's not at all I just are measuring the time by my bladder. Yeah. You about ready to have to be I'M GONNA bottle underneath the table. Sweet twice already what should we close with? We covered quite the spectrum fuck those a lot of shit in that one how about this be a fucking responsible American be kind to your your neighbor regardless of the beliefs that they may have because we're still all in this together. That's a good way. Did I share that sentiment because I think? We're all worked up 'cause Kovin and we all we are over emotional and dramatic about fucking everything. That's the culture we live and. Everybody's fucking sensitive because this politically divisive culture. Outside of politics outside of what team you're on what football team you like the beal movement were just fucking Americans trying to get through the fucking day You had mentioned it in our riposted your post on social media on. September. Eleven that a upset a few people but also set the internet ablaze. It did I thought it was a great post. That's why shared exactly verbatim. The Edwards to that because it shares everything that was going to say as well and. The feeling we had September twelfth that world I missed that World Sam. I missed that nation and we can get back to that nation. We just need to fucking remember at the end of the day like there's people dying in Wildfire People Americans dying in fires in this country should not be happening. people getting hit in the head with skateboards and fucking any place in this country should not be happening and I think we need to fucking chill take a chill pill watch yellowstone afflicts that will. Days. Sitting on your ass that Miss, Eliot thanks for our meal.

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{wednesday rewind} no. 31 - The Peloton Episode

This Unmillennial Life

45:26 min | 1 year ago

{wednesday rewind} no. 31 - The Peloton Episode

"If your skin doesn't know whether to break out a wrinkle, if you're caught between planning the third grade class party and researching retirement plans, or if you want to work out at the idea of cross fit makes your forty something knees. Eg you've come to the right place. Welcome to this. Unbelievable. Life. I'm your Reagan Jones and welcome to today's show. It's been a few months since the holidays past, but I know immediately following the Christmas holidays, it seemed like everyone I knew mentioned that they either got a peleton for Christmas or they were hoping to get one in the future peleton has been around for a number of years now, but it seems like the popularity has really exploded in the last year I'll confess as someone who has a gym membership. And I squeeze every dollar. I can out of my membership. I'm quite the frequent gym goer here locally. I initially was a little dumbfounded. Why anybody would want to spend the kind of money that it takes to buy a peleton and to stay with the peleton subscription when gyms are almost on every corner. But in talking to a number of the people who mentioned that they were interested in peleton I began to see that there truly is a. A market for a specific consumer for whom peleton is the perfect answer to get them. More physically active in their tight schedule and inability to get to a more Jim based fitness opportunity that realization led me to Kim Nelson. Had a great time interviewing Kim, I love her infectious personality. It's not surprising because she is a creative director of red chalk studios, which is a brand development marketing and creative agency in Virginia Beach Virginia. And I love what she shared with me as a part of her bio, she says, Kim is an avid wisher that keeping her midlife body in shape and healthy wouldn't take so much more effort that in east too. But she is doing what she can. And Kim, I think most of us can relate. It's a much different ballgame this side of middle age. So I'm going to share with you. Now, my interview with Kim on peleton and why she decided to. Bark on this particular fitness journey and potentially how it's something that you might want to consider for your own life. I hope you enjoy it. And with that, I'll say Kim, welcome to the show. Great, thanks for having me. Well, I'm excited to talk about this. Because of all the fitness topics that I've covered here on the podcast. I feel like peleton is one. I know the least about so I am at your mercy. I am I am just here waiting to soak it all in. So if you will just go ahead. And I mean, I know that you're a guest on the show as a peleton lover not as an official spokesperson for Balaton, but television bodies, essentially, if they don't know what peleton is so Heller Thanh is a spin bike. They they have other products or or another exercise piece of equipment that they're bringing on. But right now, what we're talking about is the peleton spin bike, and it's one that you can have at home. You can have it work where you know, wherever you want. But it's. Primarily for spin. Okay. Now when people hear that this is not this not your old stationary by that you had in nineteen eighty-seven when you know, my gosh Donahue program, you know, trying to get in a little bit of exercise. Tell us about what what's the appeal wise peleton different. Why are people so excited about it? Well to start with maybe let's talk about spin a little bit. And I can tell you. I'm not an expert at this. I have taken, you know, a couple some some classes all tell you tell you what might has been. But most definitely a very good point. Is that it is not like, you know, the old stationary bike that you know, you may have had in the house growing up or maybe at your current. Jim right now, spin bike is much more. I wanna say a sufficient in terms of of peddling and being able to you stand up as well as you're sitting down and writing you may you may be doing a lot of movement actually up and down forward and backward as your. As your peddling. So it's it structurally, you know, secure to be able to support that kind of movement and the action just on peddling alone is completely different in my experience than any other kind of stationary bike. So I started out I was introduced to spin in a class at my local YWCA. And I felt I am not, you know, I'm not a big biker. I never biked outside other than recreationally. But this was low impact is very much interested in that. And so I thought I'd give it a try had good recommendations from from friends, and and other people, and I thought at first that I would you know, it'd be it would be hard to get used to sitting on a bicycle again. Especially like as you get older and things get maybe a little bit more tender, and and that. But it really wasn't it. It took very little time to to acclimate to sitting on a bike seat again in for you know, for an hour for the class. So I did a class for I wanna say maybe a year maybe year and a half where it would go about twice a week. I fell in love with it. You know, we did it in the dark. There was are in str- loved our instructor. I love the music was good. She was that's a huge part of it is that it's entertaining. You know, as well as exercise, and you know, it was good. It was a good class. But I ended up having my schedule ended up being such that I couldn't get the class as frequently as I wanted and. It was a small room that they had class in. And so, you know, if you didn't get there on time, you may not have gotten a spot. So it was about that time. I decided that I wanted to look into something that I could do on my own. And then I started searching and Pelivan was I I think my only I knew about peleton actually from ads I think she would up my Facebook feed. And then so I started looking into it. And I knew from the bikes in my class that we were riding on what it had heard of other people talk about bikes in other spin only type clubs what to what to look for and what to stay away from. And I knew because I was going to have it initially. I was going to have it here in my office at my work that I wanted it to be. Quiet. I wanted it to it had to be quiet ahead to maybe a little portable that I could be easily, you know, fairly easily move it. If I needed to to make room for it. And I did some search. I can't tell you any other brands that I happen to look at but peleton kind of sold me from the start and from the reviews. I mean, you know, let's face it. That's where that's where things are being sold. Now. So everybody who who had experience with it loved the bike itself. And then there's a whole other element to it, which is the classes and the the streaming and the class access. So that I feel like for most people is completely unknown in. It's like there's this thing going on with these bikes. People have them in their homes in what is known. So, you know, pull back the curtain for us and talk a little bit about that user exp. -perience with the classes and the screen and how all that works. Sure. So into preface that at the same why I had Trump before I got into trying to spin classes, I had been on their stationary bikes, where they did have a video screen, and this was you could pick a couple of courses, and you were, you know, in theory writing on this course, and you know, so you had some visual cues, and you had some visual like even distraction from this repetitive. You know movement and being stationary. So I did kind of like that I found that kind of motivational to to help me, you know, push pass, you know, doing things that were, you know, just just the same old same old. So that I found intriguing and then I got into spin, and I fell in love with the actual the spin bike more so than stationary bike. So then come to peleton, and the peleton has this huge monitor. I don't know. Can't tell you what the dimensions are. But it's easily more than probably I wanna say somewhere, you know, a little bit more than seventeen inches. Why? Yeah. It's it's really big. And it is. So you buy the bike, and then you bias a monthly subscription, and you with the monthly subscription, you get access to live classes, which I believe are streamed out of New York only they have studio up in New York, which you can visit as well in person and ride. So these classes are either streaming live or after every classes archived in their libraries. So you can watch an access any of these on demand. So this is awesome. Because you get to have, you know, you get to have, you know, virtual people, but you're not alone in your in your you still have an instructor. So it's still a guided experience, and you have different level. Nls of intensity depending on the class. Not only do you have different instructors. But you have different types of classes and different types of writing. So some may be geared towards endurance, some maybe geared towards very low impact some may be geared towards high intensity. And for those people who are training, you know, and want to improve cardiovascular one, improve Lague strength and mobility all of that. So there's a wide variety that you can choose from. I tend to personally do the on demand classes, mainly because I I can never get myself on the bike at exactly the time when their classes start so I. Relate to that is very appealing to think about it being very when you are ready. Most definitely, but one of the I will say one of the interesting things about you know, trying to do with the live class is the instructor. So the way they have the way they're filming. This is there is an instructor the cameras facing the instructor, and there's probably like three different views of three different cameras, and but they all face the instructor, and there's a big mirror in the back of of the instructor. And then you can see the class who's writing in the class through the mirror. So you get kind of the it it almost feels like you are indeed sitting in front of the instructor writing. But you get to see other people in the room as well. So does sending feel of just plopping in the DVD? And all you have are like, you know, somebody in front of you. And I'm also thinking just hearing you say that you have so many different classes in their own. Demand in there all archived that I know for a lot of people who do Homebase fitness that, you know, the days of having the VHS tape of Jane Fonda, Jan Jazzercise or the DVD whatever beach body, or whatever that is that it gets old doing the same thing. Get old. But yes, most definitely and I have I have a stack of all of those if anybody's. Yeah. So so not only do you have they, and they have classes, I think they film. Ooh. Easily easily six classes a day there. There may be more than that. And so then and all of them archive. So you never have to take the same class twice. Never. So that's a huge different. You know over any other, you know, DVD based or PCR via job busy. Yeah. So there's a lot of features that are happening on with the class with the instructor and on the screen. So you have this big monitor. So not only are you seeing like a a camera view of the class and the instructor looks like talking directly to you. But in your on their level. So you feel like you're writing in class. But if you are participating in one of the. Live classes, you're writing during one of the life bosses. The instructor also has everybody who signed in shows up on the leaderboard. So we there's the instructor can see who not only in the room, but on their monitor can see who's riding along with the class, and you have a username and whatever information comes up on the leaderboard and the instructors are always scrolling through. They're looking for people who have milestones such as sitting there fifty s rides hundred threads or foul visits ride. So they're and they're giving shout out of people, you know, that are attending the class remotely as they scroll through this leaderboard. So I think that's probably one of the motivators for participating, you know, exercising during one of the live classes that maybe you, you know, you get that shout out that would feel cool. I'm still waiting for that one. I need. And I'll have to say that, you know, one of my questions was going to be to you. Whether or not you missed this sort of aspect of group, fitness. We've talked about here on the show. I know for me, it's really a big part of me enjoying workouts is like going being a part of a group. And I feel like I'm so much more motivated when I'm actual ily when I'm actually in a group fitness class. But with this do you find that, you know, there's enough of a human kind of feel in connection that you don't miss out on feeling that group fitness feel our faith for me, the group the group exercising group that was never like my biggest motivator for going to a class is is having the need to to exercise with other people. It certainly makes it more enjoyable sometimes. But in terms of motivation, I think there are a number of components to the system that you can use as. As motivation. What? Well, one thing is that you can you be sloppy sweaty, you know, huffing and puffing as you want and nobody's judging. Nobody's looking at your rear end. When you're standing up. You know, nobody knows there's no judging or, you know, the expectation that that there is since some of the motivator things motivational things this leaderboard, I will tell you. I have kind of a love hate relationship with it. I tend to well, let me let me tell you what's on screen. And so we have a leaderboard. We have your cadence which is how faster legs are moving. So you get to see that information. You get to see you certainly have the resistance like so how how hard or how light the the tension is on that wheel. And you see calories burned you see distance and. The calm one of the other metric on here that gets used a lot is is your total output. So that's a combination of what your cadence is. How fast you're peddling and how hard their resistances gives you a total output. So there's all kinds of metrics. And then you have the leader board. So everybody is participating in that rider on that class. You get slotted in there. And you're being presented with what your highest output, you know, to date had been so there's a little, you know, maybe a little key metric that might motivate you to increase, you know, in improve that and beat that number this time, you're you can select I believe on the leaderboard you can also kind of we call it like like pick your groups. I guess maybe like what who you wanna compare yourself to the whether it's an age group. It's a locust location based gender based you know, what how However I think there are some filters in there that you can that you can get down to you know, finding really what motivates you on that? So you have these metrics, and you have this this leaderboard that sometimes sometimes, you know, you're using them. And sometimes you're not just in you have absolute control over all of that. So I have found myself I've been I think I'm probably on your to that I've been writing peleton, and I'm not the most consistent writer, but that is my goal. This year is to be more consistent, and at first I hated the leaderboard 'cause I really I was not, you know, I'm not I I'm not going to be up at the top. And I didn't want that you know, being the thing that was going to kill me. I just wanted to be able to keep up with the class, you know, and and. And not die and still be breathing at the end of it. But I do find myself now pull opening up that leaderboard and seeing where I am. And just amusing like the to the people that are, you know, maybe one or two ahead of me CFI can get above them. And then I keep kinda playing that game with myself. So I am starting to use that a little bit more as as as my own motivation to not flack off, and maybe put a little bit more effort in it into it than I otherwise would have. I really did not know a lot about peleton. I mean, I see the Facebook ads. I knew the general concept in a new that there was the screen, and that you were, you know, taking classes either live or downloaded. But I did not realize that there were so many metrics. And I certainly didn't realize that you were seeing yourself against other people or seeing your output. I mean, I took I don't take spin a lot at my gym just have some other classes that I tend to take more frequently. But I took a spin class on Monday. I really enjoy spin a lot. I like, you know, like you were saying like the the low lights in the music and the teachers really fun. But we're not really seeing any mattress metrics in my Spanish class. And I think that that would be it could be very motivating, especially if if looked at the way, you were saying not necessarily feeling defeated if you're not number one, but feeling like am I pushing harder than I was before am I doing better than I was before my doing a little better than this person who seemed to be doing better than maids inches in a little bit of healthy competition with yourself that seems like that could be very motivating. I think that's the key. Right. There is that you really are in competition with yourself, and and you get to see that in its tracked, and you can go back and look at the history of your rides. And what your output was, you know, the duration another another component. If it's a motivator for people as there there is a little game of occasion component to this. Where you do Aren badges for you know, frequency or for hitting, you know, milestones. And there are various other various milestones. And they're so that's part of it as well. I would say that's probably a lot more low key than some of the other other more just fitness level, kind of metrics that you're watching and being made aware of, you know, a lot of positives. But I always like to acknowledge that with everything there have to be at least the negatives. And I'd love to hear your perspective on anything that you think is maybe a negative or something that could be perceived as a negative that you've really liked felt. Like, the you know, you've been able to overcome or it's not as the issue as people might think it is. Well, when they give is that without the subscription component to the you just have basically stationary spend bike. So you have to pay even for I mean for accessing anything, so it's not like you no longer have access to live streaming and can access the library. That's not. That's not the case. So you do have to have that ongoing monthly subscription. So the cost of you know, entry is maybe a little steep. So right now, the bike itself is two thousand dollars. Okay. And I'd not sure how that compares to other stationary bikes. But I can I can tell you quality-wise I've been on a couple of different bikes at, you know, at the club exercising, and then now this at home, and I absolutely love the action on it. It's very smooth. It's extremely. Quiet. It's feel durable. It's heavy. So I know when I stand up that I'm not gonna tip over or fall over. I get a little crazy on there. It's completely stable and even even with that in the wait to to provide that stability, it's easy enough to move around. It's got wheels on the front, and you can lift up, and and and we'll it around and and move it if you need to so quality wise, I feel like it is pretty top notch. So to what did I say two thousand dollars for the bike, and then forty bucks a month for the, you know, the classes, and the, and I didn't even mention too that not only do they have the people classes, but they also have a library of scenic rides. So if you just wanna take a break from people and from talking and from whatever. Yeah, you can you can. And I don't know how big that library it is. But it's pretty extensive and. And you can you know, right across the world, and it, and that's a pretty cool component. I found a lot of national parks that I'd like to visit in person because of that. So the, you know cons might be might be cost. I do I gave up my gym membership to do this completely. So that forty bucks a month. Kind of you know, it was just a trade off with that. I did have to buy shoes. I think those were about one hundred twenty five dollars. Because you mentioned it, and I had it on my list of things that I wanted to ask you about in. This is prompted by me taking a spin class earlier this week and reminding myself that will there actually is a little bit of equipment that you might benefit from. When you go to any spin class, whether you're doing peleton, or or even if people are just listening, and they're thinking, you know, what I mean, I would like spin, and they are members of a why or a gym and they've never gone into their spin glass. So the shoes explain for people who have never seen or bought cycling shoes. Just just give them a quick overview of of what those are and how those work with the bike, and whether or not you have to have them for peleton or glass, right? This been blessed? I was taken at the Y. You did not have to have any special shoes. You could just slip. You know, the normal pedal that had a little strap over the top to hold your foot in place. And you just you know, you could with your regular tennis shoes. And I found that after a while. My sit hurt tremendously. The bottom of my foot, just because we were standing up so much thank and peddling that that's when I learned that there are such thing, as you know, I thought like shoes were just for, you know, people who, you know, professional bike riders, you know, or out on the street, but there are spent there there were there are shoes for spin, and they have a just a harder surf soul. So that they offer more support when you're standing, and then there with that you can well with the with the bikes that were in the spin class that I took that's all you needed or you could put a clip on the bottom like they do with, you know, outdoor bike riding and cliff into the pedal, which provided at another level of stability and support while you're writing beyond what the strap provided. So I when I took my class. I did end up. Buying some spin shoes and the clubs and use those and got in and learn how to use those and really appreciated writing that way over just having tennis shoes. When the hell Yvonne came. It did not have the same kind of pedal system didn't have where you could ride with tennis shoes and just slip into you know, the stress strap you have to have shoes that clip into the pedal, and you have to have the same kind of clip so clips or not universal. So I found that out. So I ended up having to buy another pair of shoes that were peleton bottom through peleton and bought their clips. But I'm those shoes should as long as they don't, you know, dry rot or anything. They should by pretty much for my feet grow. They should last forever. Because that's the only place you're ever using them as long as you take care of your Clinton. Right. Okay. Since once if someone. For instance, where to get a peleton they easily would have information that would tell them like what you know, how to get the shoes or whatever this this special shoes that will clip in specifically to peleton, and what by the way the website for that is one oh, N E peleton dot com. So Owen E P E L O T O N dot com. And that's where you buy the bike as far as I know you have to buy it through them there. I don't believe there are any retail, you know, stores that you can buy it through unless you're buying it. You know from used from somebody else, and they also have exit. You know, the, shoes and other accessories. I did buy a heart monitor at the strap that goes right you test. And I use that. I. But don't really use it too much anymore. They also offer weights. There's a little there's a little weight holder on the back behind the seat. So some of the classes will have some arm exercises with with free weights in there as well. So those kind of accessories they offer any by them right from their from their shop from their store, the one accessory that I'm going to have to ask you about. And I had this conversation after must be in class on Monday with a friend of mine who is a spin instructor is something to keep your bottom from hurting. And I noticed that when you first started talking about just going back to spin that you said, you know, it really didn't didn't feel like it was an issue long-term, and she kind of indicated that, but I recall when I first started doing spin a few years ago and then doing it this week even having the the spin seat at the right? Right. Hi. I won't sugarcoat. It. It may my bottom hurt. And I just wonder for people who do peleton a lot. Do you feel like you get used to it are there? Seek covers that you can get that make it more comfortable. Do you find that the peleton see if maybe more comfortable than spin bike at a gym? I I'm just curious about your thoughts on that. When I first started in spin class. I had a pair of bike shorts. And I did the same thing. I asked my instructor. I'm like, do, you know, do you do you recommend I wear those to get started? And she was she said, no, she said absolutely, not your you'll get used to it within, you know, first couple of times that you do the first couple of times you'll be a little sore, but it should go away. And that truly was the case. So then come the peleton in the seats a little bit different on the peleton than it was in the class. But it's not it's not a huge difference. And I I have not experienced, you know, other than you know, maybe taking the ride that sixty minutes or longer just just that link duration. My my adult little soreness, you know. But otherwise, I think you get used to it really quickly. And I don't I don't even know if you can you can buy pads for it for the seat, actually. You know, not like a cruiser bike, you know, where with the big fat white seats. I'm not sure that they have that. But no I for my variances you get used to it and very quickly very quickly. We'll that is good to hear because I know for me, it's certainly spin classes in general are can be really fun. And I forget how much I like them until I go back and also forget, how do I get? So you need to keep an up. So right. Good information to share with people. So that they kind of have that in their mind if they go and try one you have shared a tremendous amount of information in such a short period of time. I wanted to have people how they can find you before. I do is there anything else about peleton that we haven't covered that you think is important for people to know one more. I really like the company has a whole in terms of their the way they reach out and make sure that you, you know, just through emails and communications, I don't have a personal relationship with anybody there. And but I think as a brand they're very conscious of who who their customers are and what they need. There was there was and you can. The instructor wise. Gosh, it they have at least a dozen instructors. And there may even be more 'cause they keep adding more people, and I have found I've probably tried, you know, maybe six different ones and all of them have really great personalities. They're all different. But and they each have a following of their own. So they have their peleton has tried the our instructors have a tribe. So you can end up having, you know, a relationship with one of those instructors and be communicating with them directly. So you can get as purse, you know, in there, and his personal and and more involved as you feel like you, you know, you need to or you want to if you're compelled to do that. So that that would be another thing about about peleton that I really enjoy is that just that ability do that. And I will say that. So I am I do get their emails and there was a period. In the last probably over the holidays, where I wasn't writing as much, and they apparently knew that because I started getting emails that were kind of like, hey, we noticed you haven't, you know, been writing? Is there anything we can do to, you know, encourage you to get back on. I can't remember what it was. But I did have to chuckle and and sure enough it did make me feel guilty enough to. The kid up in the morning. He certainly wouldn't it though like knowing that there's somebody that's watching coming to the gym right accountable. Sometimes there are ladies in my body pump class that if I am gone for a week on a trip or something and I come back. They're like, hey saw you aren't hearing asked day. So accountability is is everything when it comes to fitness. So some people might find that a little big brotherish. I actually find that to know that you know. For me to know that you know, you may feel a little bit disjointed by being in your own home or office, and you know, seeing the screen, but but somebody is paying attention that you're not they are. So that that's that is actually really interesting, and that's good to hear that you have been pleased with all the communications that have come from the company and speaking of tribes and following people. I would love at Kim if you could share with people how they can connect with you online because you actually have a whole world outside of just riding. That's really interesting in left for you to share that with people. Sure when I appreciate that. Thank you. So I am the owner and creative director of red chalk studios in Virginia Beach, and we are a creative brand development and marketing agency, so I do pay ten, you know, maybe more than more than the average person. I do pay attention to how companies communicate with their customers. And and how how it resonates or how it doesn't? Because that's the business. I'm in so red talk studios dot com is our website. And if anybody, you know, ends up getting peleton, my my username is red chalk writer, you'll find me at the end of the leaderboard. But I'm there and. Yeah. So certainly, you know, check out the website. And and if anybody has any questions about this, I am, you know, certainly send a there's a contact on the website send it on over. And I will be happy to answer any questions that anybody has I do recommend. If anybody has not taken spin class that they certainly do that before committing to this purchase because you do want to make sure I mean, it's it's not, you know, cheap to get started. But I think it's worth it. If spin is something that you truly enjoy. But. Yeah. Well, that is so helpful. Thank you so much Kim. I really appreciate you taking the time to share all this with us today. And if I can somehow Hooker crook, find the money and convinced my husband, I'm convinced that appellate gone would make a wonderful addition to my house, and I. I would be Reagan Jones probably Reagan Jones day right there at the bottom. Together. So thank you. So that'd be awesome. Well, you're still welcome. Okay. So one more thing one more awesome thing is that you get the thing. And it's, you know, your your family can can enjoy it too. It's not like you having a membership. And you going in class is that, you know, anybody else in your office, or in your, you know, your home can can have their own user on their keep their own metrics keep their own data and in a way, go. Oh, that's hey. That's a good point that actually sales point to my husband that there you go. That'd be something. We could share together. So I appreciate it. Jim. Thanks so much. You're welcome. My pleasure. Okay. That wraps up. My interview with Kim. 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How and Why Astrology Works with Master Astrologist Marvin Wilkerson (#47)

Velvet’s Edge

59:14 min | 1 year ago

How and Why Astrology Works with Master Astrologist Marvin Wilkerson (#47)

"My name is danny shapiro and i'm the host family secrets a podcast about the secrets kept from us secrets. We keep from others and the secrets we keep from ourselves. Family secrets is show where you can hear powerful stories of heartbreak healing and hope listen to season two family secrets on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts this is kelly henderson and you're listening to the velvets edge podcast this week. My guest is marvin wilkerson. Marvin is a master astrologist and hypnotist who has been studying astrology for over fifty years. I heard about marvin through my dear friend and psychic medium frank castellano and knew that if frank was affirming this guy he was legit. I i became interested in astrology after signing up for the app the pattern where you enter your birth date and time and it sends you a reading each day about what's happening in this cycle of your life mind mind were so spot on that i wanted to dig even deeper and what marvin told me was so much more than that sometimes so much that it was over my head. I'm definitely still processing assessing but if you're listening to this and start to feel that way still keep listening. He's as a fifteen minute reading for me. That shook me tears. I will definitely be going back for the full well reading here. Is marvin okay so you're a master astrologer now but you were just telling me you did radio for years so you didn't start here right. No tell me more about your career path. Well i started when i was eighteen years old. So obviously you can see has been one heck of a long time about fifty years. Wow so <hes> and it all started with my mother. She was doing the bunch of searching for truth and questioning and all of that kind of stuff and when i came home from school we got in a conversation and she threw a book at me. <hes> from krishna murdy said <hes> that was named think on these things and once i started reading that that was like a jet had engine that propelled me and my own search truth in what long after that <hes> living in virginia beach virginia it wasn't hard to find nine edgar casey and psychics and <hes> of course astrologer and i got an astrology reading and i got a psychic reading it all started from there so what was your path. Did you immediately start learning how to read charts and i'll allow l. Actually astrology is an extremely in-depth <hes> and takes quite a bit of a <hes> <hes> takes a long time to learn. I mean you're turning symbols into language then you're turning intuition russian into language and so learning people characteristics learning <hes> <hes> what motivates people well why they do what they do. I mean you're going into a deep psychology of people <hes> so this took quite a number of years <music> so probably starting around around twenty. I'm still doing metaphysical and spiritual search and talked to a lot of people then and and <hes> then inobound <hes> <hes> about eighty. I'd say about eighty five eighty six six. I started to <hes> really get serious about studying astrology and in <hes> and in ninety two i became professional so you say you mentioned symbols and you mentioned intuition. If there is such a big part of intuition in this what's the difference between between astrology and like if you go get a psychic reading well of psychic reading is going to pull out a conversations of what they're hearing and what they're sensing zing in your energy field right now right whereas an astrology reading i'm reading the energy that's going on currently as as well as your energy of when you were born and then i'm reading a transiting and progressed energy of what's going on internally carnally what's going on externally and well what's going on within the knicks reasonably six months to a year so okay our glad so many questions because i want to break this down a little bit but you basically learned about astrology astrology so you trained. Do you feel like this was something you were born. This energy reading and all of that aspect of it where you just curiosity everybody what he's sensitive. Everybody's got intuition. Everybody understands gets get psychic information. They just don't label it like a psychic. Does <hes> <hes> so. Everybody has these impulses and intuition. There is no difference in human beings. We all have that six cents. Some of us developed looked some of its innate and some of it is <hes> as you continually becoming more self aware opening up you're going going to get better and better at translating <hes> energy and the psycho dynamics of what's going on and why with individuals vigils as well as into a bigger picture so everyone has it's just some people are a little more turned up. Maybe or you can work on opening <music> out. I guess turned up what i've what i've learned about dealing with so many psychics is they're learning about communication in this life. Yeah that's bats interesting okay so the part of it that that part of astrology that looks at symbols and the chart that you are actually reading when you're doing a reading. Can you talk me through that process like what what does that mean. Uh upside down okay well. That looks like i don't even know how to describe that exactly so you just learned how to read this chart what he knows what venus in bars looks like because that's pretty common with venus genesis having to defend emmental and mars have in the <hes> the arrow pointing up out of the circle <hes> <hes> so all of the planets or asteroids some jews lot asteroids all those are <hes> <hes> they are the construction of the energy that we deal with as human beings so when is just like the sun and the moon everybody walks and what's your son's side. What's inside that sun sign at a particular time of the of of the year <hes> which whatever month you were born in is going to have characteristics and those characteristics are <hes> going to be evaluated on how you present them as being your individual self so sunshine is your strength and power and vitality and this is what you use to individually to carve out your own unique self-expression okay so when we are reading these horoscope or the horoscope breeding day. What do you think about that asteroid early general. That's what i was just going to ask him so that's what i call pop astrology basically just written for the masses and it's it's just using general language to describe each one of the energies that <hes> will help the person look into themselves a little more now as you progress and become a serious astrologer then you realize lies this is a map and that map is going to be need to look at holistically <hes> so that all the energy energy now is who you are not just your son side and you come in with a lot of baggage from the past which would be your moon which means that's all of the patterns in scripts that you live your life by which is what you're going to have to face experience as your life unfolds and you move through life when you say past. Do you mean the past of this life or the past of another life all past. Hi wanna believe past lie for then. It's all of them and this is gonna believe in this one well it all happened in this this one that pre that reprograms and programs you to respond to the past miss creations and misperceptions as of your past past lives or how you accepted things as a little child right you know one of the things that i tell most of by <hes> <hes> hypnosis clients is that betim near twenty one years old. You've been told old sixty thousand times who they are who you are who the world is and how you fit in it sixty thousand thousands times at an age that means but by the age of twenty one k that means all of your language has been conditioned and programmed programmed and then you live the rim most of your life if you're trying to make adjustments and corrections to to <hes> conflicts to self sabotaging behaviors they asked you have to make corrections to the belief systems. It's been didn't put in place by mother. Father teachers brothers sisters friends society at whoever you hold up on a pedestal because because this is who programmed you so many questions going in my head okay so then when you read these charts you're saying these are the map of like it was. There was something on your website. I think it said it was a part of our connection with the universe so astrology college is the chart that helps us understand how the universe is guiding us. Would that be a good description guide you the we are connected food and <hes> the the total living universe is all in a connection think of it like a spiderweb and angled on and one strand of a spider web at all moves and we all we're beginning to understand that now when we start using words like quantum adam physics all this means is there's multidimensional <hes> actions that take place because of how we are looking at something or experiencing life or how we are responding to <hes> the energy energy or the poll of the of the <hes> of these planets and energies of the universe so where does the strategy fall into that. I guess astrology is dimap. When you're born you can look at the the whole the whole solar system. Just a much less to whole galaxy in the whole. Milky way is moving through space. The moment that you take your first braff there's a slice in time cut right out of the d._n._a. Of the universe and that slice time represents sense the metaphor of being an oak tree seed so you are the seed of of an individualized human being that will ultimately one day grow up and become an adult so that's why okay when you go get your chart your astrology chart read you ask a specific time of day like if i was born a minute later would my personality and my energy any different for not not necessarily i mean basically the time of day is just telling me where you were born. When where wherever the sun was on the whole the world at the time so it gives me the <hes> the evaluation of us and instinctually operating being individual so this is how you use your instincts to express your personality and energy so oh whether i have your ascended we call that in ascended chart if i have that chart or i just run a solar chart which they had to use for thousand thousands years because they didn't have computers nor did they keep track of birth time i can go buy your son sign which most people identify with their some assign versus a soul chart anyway. I tell you what your soul is here to accomplish that may not necessarily line up with with what you think you're here to accomplish so you're going to identify with your own creative individualistic ability and from from there we go on to paint us that map to understand what you're trying to evolve and become so when you read this chart like we're gonna do a version of mine in a minute but like when you read this year you're seeing what my soul is here to do but i may interpret that as however i want so it's not necessarily lake that chart is going to tell me how to live my life but it's my creative interpretation of that yeah well the the energies never tell you dictate to you how to live your life. You choose how to express the energy. See all of these energies reside inside of you so you choose to express them through your own attitude through your own beliefs through your own ability to express your life. Can we talk about synchronicity synchronicity for a second okay so i was reading this is again on your website which had a ton of information by the way if anyone's more interested in astrology strategy but that is when you in a universe are in line. Is that my as my understanding correct. I like coincidence like this. It's like people think about miracles and all of a sudden something happens well. The truth is is all miracles is just it has the time and the place that all energy comes together and it becomes poof a miracle yeah so synchronicity is nothing more than you walking around going. Oh leave just fell off the tree and hit me on a shoulder so synchronicity is something that occurs through the natural movement of that that whole connectivity of all energy in the universe and you're just surprised that it happened at this particular moment so it becomes what we call an aha moment right and so that aha moment is now what we <hes> are going to define and i tell people people all the time look who's intruder all synchronicity angels so if you want if you want something in your life talk to brunei angel. We all got him okay. Can we talk about that then because so i see this psychic his name was frank. I think he's a he's actually the one who you told me about you but he and i talk about our spirit guides and he did talk about angels. So what's your your belief or understanding of all of that like the universe what's happening. Who's in charge here what's happening. Well look you can't you. You're not going to change the plan of your life. Your life is here for specific reason <hes> and that that reason is to express your soul's evolutionary intent and in so doing <hes> <hes> we're going to <hes> <hes> utilize what was graded by the create. Hey tour specifically for us is angels. They are specifically guides just for human beings tactic or to like along to help give you intuitive nudges to help have you if you're asking for something. How many times have you just says oh. I wish all i want all i desire this. This is all being being put out into the ethers. That's energy. It's energy. That's coming off of you. Saw what's going somewhere and it's hard and so oh you need. You need to get over your sickness illness. You need to get over your frustrations. You need to get over. I want my boyfriend back or i. I need to get my winnebago well. These are all desires that are going to be supported by the end djelic realm home. If it's in part of your plan dag hammarskjold i just wrote a great quote in. I'm <hes> ima big quote collector. We're not permitted headed to choose the frame of our destiny but what we put into it is hours. Tell me more what do you mean you. God has a plan for us. I think you know even the religious people that i work with christians and they all know that the plan set by god will if god sets a plan. What makes you think you're going to change it so you have a purpose in life and that is to evolve into becoming self aware and self realized and if that is so doc within the soul is going to be to feed you the plan and as that unfolds you'd become the oh you grow into understanding and self realizing and casting off some of the negative energy use that you've created out of the past that then allows you to become more whole that's what i was just about to ask you because we do all have our traumas or wounds that we bring into situation so obviously i can only speak for my own experience but i mean the situations i've gone on through definitely impact the choices i make or relationships i get in the things i'm scared to move forward with and every morning i have to say to myself. I determined will over because if i don't that my fears and all of this trauma are the things leading me in the decision but so is it my like you said this. What did you say the self ourself realized yeah so are are. We actually just becoming the best version of ourselves by doing that year. All god's this is frank. Gets me into <music>. You're all god's and <hes> whoever i am you shall be whatever i've done you so so if you're a god why are you playing little league leading mean because you're the creator of the universe you're part and parcel first of all the creations of the universe so god gives you that energy and he gives you all his power and and you go buy cars with it and he build universes right that is little league so franken. I have talked about the when he before you. Come down to earth. You kind of pick what you need to learn in s live. Do you believe you. It's more than just picking. I mean you got to go before a council. You've got to <hes> sat <unk> out a plan. That plan has to be part of the energy stream. That's bringing you back into the physical dimensions anyway okay so oh that's all done by the high self and consciousness. It's not done by your mind and your personality so this is this is dictated by your high self which is connected do all consciousness which then instructs the soul on what what do you accomplish what you didn't accomplish so that now that miss creation of perception and belief of things because you're a god and and you don't believe that you don't accept that totally enough so that is what's going to bring you back in to the energetic genetic stream of the physical dimension and it's we create a certain plan for this and you you create the <hes> the plan so to say that is going to put you in every situation who is going to bring you in contact with every human being. You're supposed to be in contact with friends. Enemies hateful four people evil people good people wonderful people happy people so it brings you into those contacts so then you have control control over two things what do you think attitude and love other than that you might as well surrender under because you're not going to change your destiny and the plan quote i love is whether you call it a stone a beast tree a human a demon or the divine. Everything is same energy manifesting itself in a million different ways us as a human choose out a manifest <hes> guru. I love that the only lean-to things we can control our attitude and love because when you're going through a hard time the first thing i try to control is what's happening the situation in how to make it work in the way that i needed to our think i needed to work in well the biggest thing that the the the number one question that that will resolve the vast percentage of all personal and human conflict is when you say how to is this perfect and why did i attract this in. What am i to learn from this. What do you mean. Why did i talk the things. That sounds like punishing myself or something you. You just took the assumption that you're punishing. I know everything is not a punishment. There is no there are no punishments yeah there. Are there are frustrations because of your belief systems but it doesn't mean that you're being punished when you go through a frustrating period. Don't you learn something from it. Grow from it yeah well. That's called evolution attention and so it's the miss creations. That's keeping you in the little leagues that you've got to keep getting corrected did <hes> so then we keep drawing in certain situations until we auto you are responsible for all the retraction repulsion ocean adhesion and cohesion principles in your life your energy field that just changes a lot in my head so and that's and this is <hes>. This is <hes> narrow science. It's a fact we all have a prior receptive which you'll know as what the metaphysical community calls the aura well. It's an energy field that goes around the body well when that brain brain of yours. That's subconscious mind is says oh. I want this well. That's sets off narrow neurotransmitters that didn't fire fire and you draw the neural pathways that den electrify that prior receptive will that electrical field in that goes around. I'm this body is now becomes a retraction repulsion adhesion principle in your life so if you attracted it in well nine why not take responsibility ability for it. That's an interesting to look at that so if you attracting a mate or attracted a boyfriend or you tracked in several of them and they're all the same. Why do you keep getting the same threat you're driving in because it's what you're drawing in until you say all right what i have to change in a knee right when you start turning the inner gays and the focus on me i'm responsible for then you can start correcting the vast majority of issues life. My name is danny shapiro and i'm the host family secrets a podcast about the secrets kept from us secrets. We keep from others and the secrets we keep from ourselves. Family secrets is more than just podcast audio experience. It's also also a community a place for people to share powerful stories of heartbreak keeling and hope in season two we hear from a woman whose father's descent sent into dementia revealed his deepest darkest secrets and we hear from a man who kept his wife's terminal illness a secret to protect their children. Listen to a family secrets on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts <music>. 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Goes will the nurse a megan moments on past that well. It's just like <hes> the friction ear using to stand up iraq when the ground is trying to pull you down right yeah all right while you're taking energy to straighten up and so is just like all energy is in relation to all other energy which creates a energetic soup which then you've got to navigate gate right and so i look at <hes> i look at <hes> when i'm looking at a <hes> <hes> what's going on now for you today in what we're going to look as as prognostication <hes> and then what you're looking at is how that energy is affecting that initial energy of your birth which is who you are. You are the oak tree. You always will be but just like an oak tree. If it grows on the side of a hill it's gotta make keep making corrections to keep standing up on the side of that hill and if the win income's it bends it and bows it and then it grows in different shape. It's reaching for the sun and the forest. It's gotta reach into where there's there's an opening so it can get son to survive so there's lots of things that have to be done that you can use the astrological. Go map than help you understand why so it's essentially another kind of guide <hes> so when someone comes to your office what does that experience look like like what does the process of having your chart read look like well. You just give me your information then. I pull it up and i just begin now. There's different kinds of astrologers above merv totally prediction some nuts. Are you afraid not okay. That's gonna walk the talk so so i mean you know what i use the word prediction <hes> if i said to you it's going to rain today. Would you put an umbrella l. a. by the front door privately why just in case so if i tell you you got saturn getting getting ready to square your son and is going to cause a lot of hardships that you personally have created but it's going to expose them to you objectify rectify them so that you can work through these hardships and take responsibility for what you've created in life. What would that mean mean to you. I mean what would it means to me or what i do. What would you do think i would have to sit with it until i just started to see it it. Is that what you're reading much alright great dammit okay well. Should we do my fifteen minute reading right now. It's up to you yeah. Let's do it so what are you. Is that part of what you're saying. Well obviously you you know that it is and you know that that has <hes> in a broad way is that's. What's been going on you. Are you are very they definitely needed to look at your communications. You needing to evaluate how your feelings are working into your everyday life and how you think think about things and relate to things so you need to become more sensitive and responding more <hes> emotionally and intuitively intuitively two things <hes> then to try to create things <hes> by establishing shing some sort of goal or working toward making things be like you want him to be so <hes> this is coming right it out of your your path in life and it should be one where you're noticing your feelings. You're validating them. There's nothing more important than feelings and emotions are the most honest things are and so you're developing the sense of empathy and you melody. You're learning how to nurture yourself and others. There's your being shown how to build your own foundation of insecurity so anything that what's going on now. In your life over the last four five six months has been showing you that over and over and over so that you're ultimately ultimately slowly changing your perspective and perception of things as you are then becoming more honest about emotions and feelings you're accepting others as emotional and they've got you know these waves of emotional tantrums anthems as well and you're not judging them as much as you used to and you're staying centered in your own feelings a little bit more. Oh my god so spot-on aca cry okay. You're allowed to cry. Wow now that was just <hes> you see you are adjusting adjusting to how to have relationships <hes> in this life <hes> <hes> that that that is going to <hes> be much more <hes> of a heartfelt emotional connection to things and when we're emotionally connected. There's a great much greater intimacy than being a cold callous c._e._o. Oh that i've got power and money and i don't have to expose my personality and my true self recognize those okay yes. I'm so when we become much more feeling and emotionally driven. We've become way we have much greater depth in our experience. We have much greater intimacy. We <hes> we we get the connection of <hes> of much more on an intimate level. This is early education so this is <hes> brothers and sisters are important wouldn't <hes> with this <hes> how we are think about your your relationship patterns. <hes> who was the first person chad ed relationship with like a boyfriend no parents no your brothers or sisters. Do you have any he had a younger brother. Okay well that was your first relationship and however that relationship plays out which was an emotional relationship probably probably still is in some respects then that is going to set a pattern of how you relate to relationships who you see that connection and then if you say how can i what is this trying to show me about my relationship patterns. What is he teaching me. What do i need what is my perception and perspective that needs to be changed so that i can have much more honest relationships and intimacy then i can see the world people oh places and things from a much more of a reality standpoint and the strength of my own self image and emotional no security so obviously we're going pretty deep. Yeah see i mean asset works works. That's insane so i'll let up. I guess a positive times coming. You got some very positive <hes> transformations getting ready to take place in your career your status i i would say that <hes> over the next several years you're going to become a lot more <hes> <hes> successful <hes> you'll be pushing towards accomplishing things and a very powerful very powerful way and they will succeed as they are to divinely orchestrated that you've planned out to succeed <hes> so your growth right now is going to be immense and you're definitely going to tap more into who these spiritual aspects of life <hes> versus just a cold hard realities of survival living in capitalism so <hes> has that begins to unfold <hes>. I would say that <hes> you know things are things are looking up for you. They're going to start turning out pretty good and i would say in about another three years on an extraordinary amount of individualism that starts coming out to where you start really standing up and walking the talk and so let's say you're eighteen and nineteen thirty some <hes> so you're you're going to come in to opening the throat. Shock ran about two three years which will meet your voice will come out over the next several years and and you're going to start speaking. You're honest truth. This is why you're making adjustments and the emotional concepts right now in the feeling concepts so that when you start opening the throat chakra and declaring how you think fuelling see things then it will take much more more power and will be much more intuitive. It'll be much more individualistic. What do you mean individual individual. Individualistic realistic is how we want to describe our own unique expression of god <hes> that's the only thing i liked about george bush the thousand points alight because that's what we are we're all in individual light of god and we're representative and he sent us here for mission and as we fulfill fulfill our mission and do our <hes> do our creative ability and expression and we serve humanity as a whole that's a fulfillment of our mission so it takes the individual -ality the individual person and not being conditioned by all the conditioning people but our own unique self expression. There's only one kelly henderson anderson in the world and she's very unique that where are you going to like it even more in three years. Well you liking it now but it's going to be better. Oh my gosh that i'm like a little shook right now. That was very spot on well. You see this is the problem when you become when you've been doing this fifty years and i've read what ten thousand charts minimum afoul astrology is nothing more than observation correlation. I have seen this signature how many times right with clients and i see how they operate with it i see how they choose to act and noor attitude and so forth with it and this gives me the observation invasion of how people choose to use energy and then that allows me to say well if you're using it that away a is going to create a little more of a struggle or self sabotage then what you really need to go through if you'll just change your perspective just a little bit since you have people like if i instead of crying just now gotten pissed off like does that happen in when you're reading what why would you get pissed off at the truth. I wouldn't but fails does he. Wow i mean that goes in hit you right at your soul old level. Isn't it how you going to get mad at me right but you said you read the energies of it and like did you read my energy that i'm i'm gonna struggle with that or that. I'm going to accept all it's all part of the map and solve part of what's going on now. I have a hundred times. That's what happens wins. I mean we're saying you're pulling the thread right. You're fooling the needle out of the haystack. The more you pulled their this is who we are and what we're we're all about and when you're when you're on a search for truth when you're on a spiritual path <hes> using anything whether i don't care whatever whatever religion it is. I don't care how you are searching for your authentic self. It's always the same. It's always going to give you more questions so you can provide more answers and you can get to your truths so on your website. I read read something you said because you refer to yourself as a seeker and always think of myself as a secret to i'm so curious i just wanna keep growing and learning and all of them <hes>. I don't think about everyone that way but you said we are all seekers juror so so everyone is everyone and <music> everyone is it just looks different difference if they're a criminal in a car on and they're learning song things. The soul is learning something you see. We automatically take that ego. Personality is driver and his wife well. It's not god it's only looking for pleasure in game. That's all it's looking for could care less about your safety could care less about what you get into is looking in for pleasure and gain your sub conscious. Mind is responsible for ninety five percent of all reality. That's a scientific back act so in other words you're sub-conscious brain which is very small behind your head is what is controlling your life life by making to millisecond responses and so in doing so the soul which is housed in that section of the the brain is leading and guiding your life and and providing the impulses for you to make choices. Which would you think you made them and you didn't make anything close to that because it isn't necessarily a part of pleasure in gain. Ain't the soul will send you into harm's way if it thinks you're going to get a valuable lesson from it. If you're gonna get a valuable lesson in grow will then and the soul doesn't care what you go through. I'm gonna how much money you got what position you are. It only cares about your growth growth. That's what's responsible for you. Becoming the authentic you so everybody inevitably is being guided by their own soul by there is <hes> unique circumstances and i just say unique and i just say in passing yes i mean assault can absolutely get itself in deep trouble by the personality dominating versus the sole say there's there's a great struggle that goes on between us. It's the ego personality versus the sole your higher mind your intuition and in that intuition loses over and over and over over within their there's situations it's been said by many sages and down through history you you lose the opportunity to have your unique soul. So how do you stop letting letting the ego or the personality control the mind doing what ego personality the thoughts. Have you ever realize. You don't have to thank you brian. Thanks on itself <hes> all by itself see the mind can't know itself. The body can't know itself but the mind can know the body so what knows the mind consciousness consciousness the high self and so that is what is the evaluating are you waiting compass of what is going to <hes> evaluate the soul and whether you passed or failed you know edgar casey said i read many of his readings growing up in virginia beach and they're strong with the people that went to him he said well this saw gained and failed in this lifetime is sold game failed and then gained back and the so gained and so you know there's there's plenty of <hes> well. There's plenty that's been written and said about that from all sages from all great avatars down through the centuries so so that because that's making me think of the different levels of our when we say we need to come back and do this to learn that lesson well. It's not really you see when we when we think of coming back we think we're going someplace and we're coming back to this place and there is no places it's all leonard jack dimension so it's all vibrational so you you ascend by vibrating by vibration and consciousness to a certain level well once you get back into the energy stream of consciousness and that consciousness that soul realizes that they're still miss creations misperceptions that are deluding you will then it gets back into the energy stream that will ultimately then delve down to vibration into this dimension which is three dimensional. I have to stay on for minute. It's a lot process is what fifty years does too right so in your services. You also have other things you do like hypnosis. That's my healing abilities. What does that mean well. Hypnosis is <hes> this is where you address the subconscious mind so that you can <hes> influenced runs through suggest ability and reframing old thought patterns that are causing problems sabotages and and i like to use it to get into higher realm so that you've since at that connectedness of the higher realms but i mean you know you can can get in to <hes> <hes> healing the body. I mean what makes you ill. What makes you sick well. That's the ego mind because the body's immune system is the most powerful thing and the moment that you get your ego pleasure seeking mind out of what's going on with your body will then your subconscious mind and the immune system immediately began healing it immediately really really really like even things like cancer what he million any day you. You are over this body. Does jesus christ heal the body no matter uh-huh yes. He said he said girl. Your faith has healed. You all and everybody has a healer inside of them. Yeah that's what albert schweitzer said so what other services the offer you do. The strategy charts are the reading well. I do more of the <hes> hypnosis because therapeutic and helps people oh with smoking and way loss in confidence and anxieties in phobias and fears and all those kinds of things things and you know i i you know you get to a certain place when you read an astrology chart art as i just did a little sample for you that you know i can give you a reading and if it's an hour hour and a half you leave the door and i'm done with you yeah yeah and i give you such volumes amounts of information with such depth. You probably work on that for the rest of your life and so it just began to feel unfulfilling. I wanted to really get in and help someone and so one day i was <hes> and it was here in nashville that i did it. I was <hes>. I left corporate. America and i started doing some more readings again. Then i was telling somebody <hes> that they add some subconscious patterns that were being <hes> two instrumental lender life that were to <hes> they were sabotaging their efforts so to speak <hes> they were keeping them from accomplishing accomplishing what they're what they wanted to so. I said well you know there's a lot of interference through the sub conscious and the unconscious mind. You probably ought to get regression so they they come back to me. Want that will who does it not so well. I don't know back in the eighties. Us hippies were doing regressions and it was a big deal back then you know i did a lot of them back then but you know it was another thing that you know so it became more of a happy job giggles thing. Oh oh i went back to pass like well. You know what does that mean. Was it do for you so i kind of lost interest in regressions but you know when i when i was talking to them i just knew that that there was a great influence in the unconscious so i thought well. They came back to me and said well. Where do you get one. I said i don't know there's somebody ought to be doing them here in nashville and they come back and they said well we we can't find anybody. I said well hell. I'll do it and so i read this. This book from a guy in denver said the new regression therapy <hes> and it mentioned something about taking it hypnosis course and i said hypnosis hypnosis. I never thought about doing anything like that so i got online and i found a place that i could go get a certification occasion. <hes> brought up probably a thousand hours later and thousands of clients and <hes>. I'm a master hypnotist as well so do people if you're coming to do it hypnosis session. Can you accomplish enough in one session to be kind of over something or does it take multiple sessions or does it depend on what it is. Typically it takes multiple sessions because the subconscious mind learns to reinforcement okay so <hes> most of my clients. I mean all of my clients. Actually i'll pull a solar chart and look and see what's going on with their energy and i and and then i'll get an idea what they're conflict. They're talking about versus what the energies telling me and then what kind of golf that we've got to <hes> cross so that helps me satis strategy to help them accomplish for themselves what what they need to heal and so if if you watch a commercial one time you wouldn't go out and buy that crap right but if you watch it a thousand times go out and pick it up and don't even know why because the color of the box lettering to whatever because the subconscious mind makes a to millisecond millisecond decision the conscious mind takes fifty five dollar seconds. That's a frigging tub boat compared to a speed boat so advertisers sell to two milliseconds because they don't want you make an indecision on buying their product and that's called neuro marketing and so then that's essentially how hypnosis works we do it over and over and over well yeah usually about four sessions i can i make corrections and help people make corrections and they make the adjustments and asked majority cases. Wow i read on your side that you do do skype sessions. Yes people want to do that. And where can people find you. What's your website you. You would go into <hes> if you went to <hes> be l. Hypnosis dot com that takes you to i- i- hypnosis website if you go into astro marv dot com that'll take you to my astrology site. <hes> i am on skype at either marvin wilkerson or b. l. hypnosis actually to my fault. I forget exactly but what if you do that then we can get on. If not you can call me and we can. I can help you figure out how to get on in contact me through skype right because then skype you gotta send me a message. Yes let him come through or yes. Let me go through. Whatever yes yes okay so your website is probably the the best route to get in contact with you well. I'm gonna obviously do the rest of my reading very interested in this. Now you guys go check out marvin and all of the i mean there's so much information on your website in general about both the astrology and also the hypnosis if you're interested in any of that definitely check him out and thank you guys for listening. Thank you for being here marvin. Thank you for having me by. This is kelly henderson sending you've been listening to the velvets edge podcast. I truly believe that. Every one of us has a little velvet and a little edge so it's so important to remember that the be strong oh you must be soft to thank you so much for sharing in the stories with me you can follow velvets edge on instagram facebook and twitter as well as velvets edge dot com if you haven't yet go to apple podcasts and subscribe rate and review this podcast join me every wednesday for more conversations on live style beauty and and relationships. Thanks for listening in the montgomery montgomery county maryland courthouse. There are thousands of pages of documents detailing the horrific murders of three innocent people soon as i heard the details i knew my dad was involved right away. Instantly assumes lawrence but at the time of the murders lawrence horn was clear across the country. I'm jasmine. Morris from iheartradio hit home media. This is hitman. Listen and subscribe at apple podcasts on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Why We're Hiring Yet Another Salesperson

Journey to $100 Million

04:53 min | 4 months ago

Why We're Hiring Yet Another Salesperson

"Hey there I'm Eric Olsen I'm days of join us on our journey to building a one hundred million dollars company. Hey there, it's arrogant J Olson. Just one year ago, we hired our first salesperson. Glenn. And only about a month ago, did we hire our second Salesperson Francesco? So we very quickly. One from having no sales people to having a salesforce albeit small, it is salesforce as more than one salesperson. Now in addition to that, Kevin and I both sell on a regular basis for me. It's less regular than before, but Kevin is still doing it full throttle, so we have three sales, people. Kevin is the head of sales. Glenn is the digital sales manager. Francesca is digital sales specialist. But we've decided we're going to go ahead and hire another digital sales specialist already within three maybe four weeks. She's closer I deal and she has three or four more that are pending. That are really close to closing really soon. So, it's very encouraging. This is a great time for any business to get aggressive and expand your competitors, did covid in the corona virus and probably lots of other factors? They may have been hurt. They may have been down on their luck. They may have hunkered down. A lot of our competitors frankly have just hunkered down like they're just not thinking about business development. They're not really doing much. As a matter of fact, we really even had to go outside of our geographic area to see other digital marketing agencies like us that are one hundred percent digital marketing. That are aggressive. So we decided going into this within like two or three days of Corona virus landing on our stores that we were going to go on offense, which is why we're doing things like this episode. Right here of the PODCAST, which is why I'm videotaping it because we want to get out into in front of our prospects, and we want to get as much attention in possibility. Of starting a sales conversation as possible. In. It's working. Right imagine that the more marketing you do, the more sales opportunities you get. I mean how cool is that? It's a formula increased marketing. You're going to get more lease. You'll need more sales people when you get more sales people that close what happens, you get more work and that work requires more operations people to fulfill the work. And, this is exactly what's happening for us right now, so we've hired two people in the last month and we have open positions for two more people, one of them being a salesperson so with that sales being hired. We're going to have head of sales, a digital sales manager and two digital sales, strategists, or say specialist I mean. It. It's going to be a legit sells force. Because you just you can't grow a business unless you focus on sales and you really can't honestly focus on sales unless you focus on marketing. I the two go hand in hand. And I feel like we definitely got the marketing aspect nailed. About fact, we're having discussions about whether. We fulfilled our mission, which is to dominate Hampton. Roads Dominate Digital Marketing in Hampton roads, which is by the way if you're not from Hampton roads, what that really means that's internal lingo for the Norfolk Virginia Beach Virginia area. We just happened to call something weird like Hampton Roads. So that's our mission and we've. We feel like we're pretty darn close to that. If not have already achieved, it is time to go outside of that area that requires additional marketing requires additional sales, people, and that's why we're hiring a second salesperson. We do intend off filling our vision. Which is becoming a national digital marketing powerhouse at least at one hundred million dollars a year in revenue. We can't get there without marketing and we certainly can't get there without sale. Thank you for listening. If you enjoy this podcast, you'll love our entrepreneurial newsletter. Sign up at journey to one hundred million dot com.

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NPR News: 06-02-2019 11PM ET

NPR News Now

04:58 min | 1 year ago

NPR News: 06-02-2019 11PM ET

"Support for this podcast and the following message come from frame bridge. They make custom framing easy and affordable frame year. Art in photos at frame bridge dot com or visit their new stores located on fourteenth street and Bethesda row. Get fifteen percent off your first frame bridge order with code NPR. Live from NPR news in Washington, I'm Nora raum. President Trump is on his way to London for a two day state visit he's to meet with Queen, Elizabeth and be honored with the dinner and Buckingham Palace. The president is not likely to meet with London. Mayor Sadique Kahn, who has called Trump global threat before departing the White House, the president compared on to New York, mayor Bill, de Blasios and not in a flattering way. Oh, I don't think that he's a he's the twin of deposit. Oh except shorter when he returns from his trip. The president says he'll appoint a replacement for Kevin Hassett, the chairman of the council of economic advisers. The president said has it will be leaving that post shortly. Investigators in Virginia Beach continue to search for a motive for Friday's mass shooting at a municipal building that left twelve people dead. And four others wounded vigils were held this weekend, honoring those who died NPR's Brockton Booker reports on one service today, twelve candles flickered at piney grove Baptist church, one for each of the victims killed in Friday's shooting at a Virginia Beach municipal building the near capacity. Crowd gave a standing ovation? For the first responders in attendance. One speaker told the crowd, there are no pretty boast to make this package better. And another added if there were ever a time this community needed, God, it was now law enforcement officials on Sunday said the gunman along time you. Employees since his resignation letter early Friday. Police say hours later, he walked into the offices and began shooting indiscriminately over the weekend, relatives of the gunmen posted a handwritten note to the front door expressing impart their heartfelt condolences to the victims. Brockton Booker NPR news, Virginia Beach Virginia California. Democrats have wrapped up their state party convention in San Francisco, where they heard from fourteen of the Twenty-three declared democratic presidential candidates capital, public radio is Ben Adler reports. Some delegates seem disappointed with their home state candidate. This was a homecoming for California Senator Kamala, Harris, she's address this convention year after year, but the crowd of delegates and party activists appeared more, energized by Elizabeth Warren, Pete Buddha, judge, and even Cory Booker, here's what to delegates had to say about Harris after the convention wrapped up. I mean, he fell cone of Orange County. I was not as impressed which really surprised me. She did not inspire. The, the passion or the emotion that I had hoped for. And that was Joe Griego from rural eastern, California. Bernie Sanders got a decent reception too. But some delegates said they thought Warren would better move, his ideas forward for NPR news. I'm Ben Adler in San Francisco. The national weather service is predicting more heavy rain this week in eastern, Oklahoma and western Arkansas, this suggests the Arkansas river will continue to rise. It's already inundated hundreds of homes and businesses. This is NPR news from Washington. A Swedish court will consider tomorrow, whether to renew a request to the United Kingdom to send WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to Sweden to face questioning on rape accusations. It was Britain's attempt to extradite Assange to Sweden, and twenty twelve that led him to spend seven years. Hold up in Ecuador's embassy in London, Teri Schultz reports according loop Selo will decide whether to again see good saunas extradition on rape accusations in the twenty ten case Sweden reopened last month. Assange denies the charges he was arrested in London. In April when Ecuador expelled him after protecting him since two thousand twelve over fears, he'd be sent to the US to face charges connected to releasing secret documents two years. Earlier shared by then army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning last month. The US Justice department added seventeen counts of violating the espionage act, making clear it will seek extradition Assange is now serving a fifty weeks sentence in Britain for skipping bail when he. Entered the Ecuadorian embassy for NPR news. I'm Teri Schultz. Secretary of state. Mike Pompeo says the US is willing to engage in talks with Iran about its nuclear program without preconditions. But he said, the US will continue to work to reverse what he called Iran's malign activity in the Middle East, citing Tehran. Support for Hezbollah and the Syrian government tensions with Iran have increased in recent weeks as Washington tightened sanctions against Iran for its nuclear program last year. President Trump withdrew the US from an international agreement in which Iran promised to curtail its nuclear program in return for the lifting of sanctions. I'm Nora raum in Washington.

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67: Doing Well By Doing Good

Business Unusual with Barbara Corcoran

24:31 min | 1 year ago

67: Doing Well By Doing Good

"Hey this is Barbara Corcoran. You are now to into business unusual and everything you ever learned about business. Throw it out the window. I'm going to tell you the real real deal listening today. I'm going to answer all your burning questions about work life starting a company getting on track and much much more be sure protocol into the business unusual hotline with your question at eight Barbara. That's eight eight eight B. A. R. B. A. R. A. But I is building a nonprofit the same thing as starting a profitable business or you just need a lot of enthusiasm and some altruism. Let's see I'm starting a new business. Is it smart to discount my price to get my first customer. A young man living in the street with a real addiction decides to start a business. Does he have a shot listen. I'm in we got some good conversations. Hi Barbara My name's Andrew my companies in a pair align that raises awareness awareness of addiction and mental health fashionable. Roach and I'm having a hard time coming full circle like a half the brand. I have the purpose so what I'm raising awareness of however. I don't have the education part. How do I educate the public law and I don't have a degree in mental health or addiction. I just have life experience. How far will life experience getty banking so I feel like I have to have a better handle on on the product itself. I get where you're going and your most important question is. I have just life experience. How far will life experience get me and in answer to that right off the bat. That's everything so I'm not. GonNa worry about that for the moment but I want to apply it to your actual brand and what you're actually selling because I couldn't figure that out. Okay we are selling clothing. Okay that I know but what's the point of difference in the clothing and how does it tie into your messaging. The messages Hope uh-huh Quick Story. I myself suffer with mental. Illness and addiction are suffered with ten or fifteen years longtime. I you sound like a young guy. I've read the book the Enid and sometimes it's not just a product that you're selling a lot of times. It's an emotion and right. Now I kind of want to shine light on those people that do suffer from mental illness and addiction to give them hope. I've been homeless a couple times. Wow I was was just homeless three months ago so for me to have you on the phone right now. It's kind of a miracle. It's a miracle I have you on the phone. Yes and coming make from that background of being homeless. I've learned to live with other people and I've learned here people out and not be so quick to judge. My company is a startup accompany in I don't have is in my tease cross. I have been working on the concept for over a decade. I just went <unk> into business. In my first sale. In March. You had the idea percolating for many years and then you started your business. How did you start. Did you develop one product. I yeah right now. I'm using a third party vendor at loved getaway from I'm Kinda scaling the market in trying to find a demand okay. I tell me what your product was. One product copy mode a coffee mug. Okay and did it have messaging on the coffee. Mug I call it. The contemporary ink blot and it was a blue ink blot this at every rebel on it. I was at the homeless shelter the star of two thousand seventeen at sat there in a I'm losing everything I lost. My car lost my dog. I lost my apartment. How am I ever going to get back on my feet again. Bad Place to be good for you the standing up. I'm so oh very grateful. It started out as a block the whole concept of the every rebel website when I was at the homeless shelter. was that okay okay. This is GonNa be my story success and I'm going to take you every step of the way and if you go to every rebel dot com click on blog and you'll see like my my original plan about twelve years now to two thousand eight was on idea starter resonating with me and it's just every rebels. Take me on this journey. I went to the military. I was in the military almost five years. I went to college however I wasn't showing up to work for myself. I wasn't showing up to every rebel saying this is where I'm bringing to the table today too busy doing what everybody asks of me. Take me back if you could for a minute to the product itself because the way in which I could be most helpful to you is getting you out of the situation where you said that you have a hard time coming full circle. I don't think you meant and by that in your question of full circle of life although we all have a hard time doing the full circle of life but I thought it was more specific to wanting I'm to bring this avocation slash business nonprofit or whatever you wish to call it to fruition so that you could make some kind of a difference and right now. I'm just scaling the market in learning as much as I can right now. I'm reading Mr John's book rising grind terrific book. Okay US talking talking about Damon John's folk. WHO's my fellow shark on the set? One of the very important lessons in his book was how to sell his product. I don't know if you were at that section yet. The back references I believe how he sold US I t shirts he went to all the hip pop bands and war it and sold it right off his back at a parking lot. Yes yes genius and simple the power of broke phenomenal book okay but to that important lesson. That's what you're missing from the little I've been able to garner from what you're saying. You're getting ready for the business. You really believe in it. You have the passion which is the best place to start any business but you're having a hard time getting being out there making the sale and making it take on a life of its own. Am I listening to you well. You hit the nail on at Barbara. Okay then here's what you gotTa do and this is the best way I can help you. You have to stop getting ready. If you have a particular t shirt and you're not entirely happy with it the coloration the screen print you have your message which I love by the way I think it's impactful message. I think it's a great slogan. I could see that in my mind's eye okay. I think what you have to do who is just one hundred made and see if you could sell them a small run a hundred made put one on your back. Maybe get some of your other friends to walk around with it and and then make sure your website is imprinted on it somewhere on the hemline on the side panel. What have you and see if you could sell one hundred shirts. That's all one color. One skew one design. That's not going to be perfect. It's not going to be the right color. It's not going to be sized properly but get one hundred churches eve. You could sell this magic that that happens. If you actually have someone Hanyu the twenty bucks fifty bucks for the shirt without even hearing a message or your spiel or know about your website but they actually give you cash for a product. You have either on your backer in your hand. This gotta be Fares. Will you could open a little box store writing affair next to the lady selling Apple Pie or tarts take a lesson from Damon John. He never for once in starting his multi. Million Dollar. Business thought that the customer would come. I'm to him he never once thought. Let me get it right. He experimented with it on his back and that's the Keats the fortune he made. I hear Aman talking to me right now. Who's telling me he has the passion very important. You can't fake people. He has the ability to really want to not not let go of his dream. We've had a ten years. You can't let it go. You have to see it through but you don't know how to get it to first base from home. Plate the way you get into first basis to make the sale. Take whatever money you have is sure to run as you have even if you screen printing myself and it's a lousy printshop put it on your back and get out there and sell a couple. That's all you really have to do even five if it can't be a hundred can out sell it and then you'll have the time and luxury later on to get your messaging out to include what other people to make it the beautiful dream that you always envisioned but it starts with a sale that makes sense. That's Great Barbara Okay. I love the constructive to criticism and I'm going to do just that and let me tell you something. It's going to be a snap for you. If you stay focused because look what you've done with your life and I'm sure sure you can name another ten people walk the same walk as you and didn't land where you're landing right now good for you with that background you will also asked. I just have the life experience. How far will life experience get me exactly what you want to go because you've done what you've done already with your life you just get the damn t-shirt out there and sell it occurs support my love to you my support to you truly. Let's take a short break. You talk about a company. I love my friends at on-deck business loan. If you're determined to build a business you're gonNA find along the way you're going to need some financing to help you get there. I remember when I was building my business. I couldn't get a loan from anyone when I needed cash if I went to a local bank they didn't WanNa lend to me. I was just so little small fry but if you're building your business you know what you need the money for and I say to you go to my friends at on Dick Business loans by going to Ondeck dot dot com slash Barbara. Let me tell you why they give small business. Loans up to five hundred thousand dollars and the best part is they make decisions in minutes. Funding is as fast as is one day on deck values cash flow. They know it's an important part of building a business. It's not just about your credit. Score like the big guys do Ondeck deck has amazing customer service ever were sixteen hundred five star reviews on trust pilot. Don't forget to visit my friends at on-deck dot com slash Barbara <music> on-deck business loans. Tell Them Barbara sent you now. Let's get back to the show is Wendy. I'm calling you Virginia Beach Virginia Hi and the founder of a nonprofit that deals with the music schools all the information. You have is like it's or profits so I'm <music>. I'm curious. If you have any advice that you give a up and coming not because I didn't know little about this but I have enthusiasm that less list for byles. Hey Randy. I'm going to have to match your energy level. You're like a kind of guy aren't Ya. Hello Young Lady. I appreciate you taking the time talk to L. My pleasure you sound like you love what you do. What is tell me a little bit more about what you do specifically a what the nonprofit is actually doing. Give me the lay the land well. I started working on it about eight years ago. It's called the smarts project what I've done for about the past twenty twenty two years as I've provided <hes> security security transportation for a lot of folks in the music industry simultaneously aisles. I had <hes> two beautiful girls that were going to high school at the same time and they were kind kind of lax in school a little bit you know nothing major but we were trying to find an alternate path for them to take. Kinda put him center again just on on a whim. I had suggested that they take music class after they took it there. <hes> began to go up a little bit and they weren't cited about going to school and all the good that stuff you would hope would happen and what made you land on music. What makes you think that a music class would make a difference for your daughters. I have never heard anybody in my life. Say say anything bad about two things food and music and if you listen to music too long it don't give diabetes so I've always been a big fan of music and plus. I've provided security and transportation for a lot of folks in the music industry. I've got to see a lot of it on the side <unk> stage or backstage or whatever the case may be so music is one of those addictions. I kind of kept to myself. I don't try to push it on other people but I figured it would help out this time. I'm so I also noticed that there was a lot of fundraising that was being done in high schools. Everybody knows that they're selling candy bars and cookie dough and other kinds of things. He's like that that you're not gonNA use or it's going to give you stretch marks so I I figured there had been an alternate route to go so I knew there was a way that I can take my resources and the context I have from my job and kind of bridge the gap in the funding so the the the arts classes in general not just music basic but the arts in general they could bridge the gap in the funding because every years seems like almost every school is having to cut something on their budget not placing and blame. I'm just thinking that I could help the situation and that was one way that I could help so right. Now I give the high school music departments everything they need to record an album and every participant kid. That's on the program. Their name is GonNa be in the cover for the album the art department just to do the cover art. The business department gets to do <hes>. Maybe like a marketing plan or a business plan because really what I'm doing is. I'm handing them a little business something that they could do every year and they can turn this into curriculum to tie everything together. They get to actually open up for real recording artists in real concert venue in their area. Did gotta be kidding. Good good for you. You're you're surprising with each thing you say on my what could for you ran God. Let me ask you this missing link in my thinking King Right here you had you two daughters to better at school because they got involved in music where they making an album is that what gave you the idea or they simply learned how to play Piano Hanno and then got better at their Algebra that kind of thing oh no actually <hes> to be perfectly honest. They were really horrible at they tried to sing. They tried to do choir but they they didn't make it to the choir which is taken music class so it's kind of like taking math class. You know you're probably better at accounting than I am but we're going to take the same class. They Ajoy doing it but there were really horrible but it made them happy. You know all the positive things that came with the you know. They enjoyed going to school they it. It actually bled over into other subjects. They more outgoing than than got to have a deeper conversations with teachers in the school administration you know within the school whatnot since I've been doing this obviously done a lot of research and you know it helps out with teen pregnancy and dropout rate and I've heard this from you <hes> probably a thousand times but I should really write a check to the people that have decided not to help me out or they chose to help me out and then I never heard from them again because now teamed up with an organization in the peninsula on the other side of the water in Virginia from me. They're actually <hes> helping me with all the business aspects that I need to be doing. They're actually helping me with the plan and helping me with finance and put me in communication with different schools in their area and it's just a really really good feeling. I heard Damon CEO one time that the that the best motivator is progress and that's really really the truth you know. I I love my life now because it's actually moving forward you know now a couple of questions about the creative piece of this. It sounds to me like you've short. You're up the business end of the business. Am I correct. Yes ma'am feel solid there. I'm not hearing any problems what the problems you have. The smarts project you using contexts. I assume from the music industry when you say my contacts of people you've serviced over the years to fund the program or at least to get it started and that every a kid the tremendous sales pitch every kid gets to make an album in the name gets on it and they get to actually recorded. I mean so far I hear plus plus plus plus plus. What's wrong with this picture. Where are you having any problem in the beginning. I just wanted to get some advice from you because I know there's a lot of good stuff that I for profit that I'm sure what helped me out too. If I had to pick a problem I think the the problem is whenever you're messing with kids. Students wouldn't schools school boards yet Yada. It's really hard for quote unquote the new guy to break into it so really it's just a matter of legitimacy see. I do what I can but I don't have a doctorate in anything. I'm just a guy trying to do. Good stuff with the release of say. It's really hard for you to break into to it. What is the eight. You're breaking into a person not what school boards schools that I've met with in the years that I've been doing this very rigid. Slow slow to <hes> well not only that they don't like new now. They don't like new education protects. What's come before no doubt about it. May I ask you something. You have sold the program program though two different school boards or directly to the schools directly to the schools. I'M GONNA be working with one school this coming school year two thousand nine hundred two thousand twenty school year okay. Here's is my best advice to you. Forget about the school boards. If you have a future plan that you want to do something in a dozen years sell it to the school board. That's how long it will take before you get all the approvals approval okay and by the time it gets through you will recognize what you went in with. It will be committee to death so forget about that. You've had one success story with a particular the school. Could you sincerely say you feel. Your program is working in that school. Yes ma'am okay so which you say that it's touched the lives of a number of kids that that have been in the program. Oh absolutely no doubt have you video graft or taken testimonials from the kids on the difference. It's made for them in their lives. We are actually actually putting together a package right now so we can put it on our website so we could put it on social media but I didn't WanNa have anything out there unless it was a good enough quality the doing yeah okay. Here's <hes> then what I would like to say to you number. One only go to schools directly. You have a great asset that you're taking for granted and you shouldn't for a minute. You have wild enthusiasm. It's irresistible. When someone has that enthusiasm at least with a school you get to see the right person Listener School Board. You'll be whistling Dixie so forget. The school board's go to an individual right. Go with your natural born enthusiasm just as party a personality and on top of that. You have wild enthusiasm for the program. You actually have to sell so just go in there and start selling it what I would think you should do along way with the projects. You already have happening where you have. The album's made you have the kids that are performing. I would definitely get one of the kids for free. Have them work with you video graph. It makes them part of your phenomenal. Dream Program gives them executive producer credit or whatever you have to do but get a great reel together and I wouldn't even say it has to be professional. I think it should be rudimentary because it's done by kids. It's gotta be gritty not the perfect execution but you want to be able to walk in and say look at this video this happened last Thursday. I look at these kids fifteen kids right one after another with soundbites saying how it changed ancient life or why they love it so much. Let them support your sales job. And why would anyone turn you away. The last thing I want to say to you is forget the fact that you're a nonprofit nonprofits in my book the same as business they take all the same characteristics to make them successful. They have all the same frustrations and they do. We need a prophet to operate. They need the cash coming in and to continue coming in to continue the Greek 'cause so think of it as a business good for you. You already have outsourced a lot a lot of the business aspect of it in your mind I would keep an eye on that because nobody ever watches you shop the way you do but as long as you have helped there you've taken you shore up that but I oh I think on the creative wild enthusiasm section of this. You could do a lot more and you could sell a lot more schools because you already have all the magic ingredients like a there's Crayon box right in a row everything you need to sell it. Just go out and give yourself a target of going out and seeing say five new schools over over the next five weeks. You'd not the Kinda Guy. They turn. You ways afraid to come back. I could tell talking to you but you gotta come back at an individual and use that enthusiasm and charm to break through true. Just I got a tape to show you gotta see you so. ABC School is doing it to great acclaim with great success. I want to show you what ABC schools is doing right across the river. That's awesome. I couldn't ask for any better than that. Good luck to you. I'm sure that's okay. bye-bye I appreciate you buy hi. Hello Barbara. This is Sunday from Toronto. I I would like to thank you for being the best inspiration for me. As I start off my new business venture and thank you for sharing the best business advice out there I am a registered nurse working at a hospital and I am looking to open opened my own healthcare staffing agencies because we are so short staff and the question is how do I get a contract. And how do I stand apart from my competition. Should I offer a better price for the staff. I sent to you first contract. If if that's your actual gold you're going to need to get a few things in order. You need staffing so you need to get yourself out circulating in those circles where you could meet the the greatest number of nurses so that you could vet them and see if there are any good at what they do secondly. You need to make a long list of every contact you've ever been in touch with in your field. I don't care if they're important or the least important. Put them all on your list and ask yourself. How could they introduce me to someone who would be in the position of maybe giving me a contract or at least being the position of give me a name that I can call and the number three is unique sales pitch and I can tell you already have half your sales pitch because you're articulate and polite and that's what people buy into. It's it's not so much the words it's the attitude and the way someone comes across and you've got that covered. I could hear it in your voice right now. I would hire you for anything just because of the way you sound so far as pricing goes. You need to find out what everybody's really charging out. There do a little reconnaissance work and once you know what the going rate is. I don't offer cheaper right up front putting your back pocket. So once your illness sales call an offering your service you could then use your back pocket doc. ID Card to say I'll tell you what how for the first month of business I offer you. Maybe a ten or fifteen percent discount on our usual rate. That's a teaser kind of rate and many people in business do it but you don't want to come out offering which easier than the next guy because there's a natural association nation that everyone makes between cheaper and less good so sandy. That's my formula for getting your business from concept to on the ground running and you should could give yourself no more than three months to get it done and that's all the questions we have time for today. If you have a question shing leave me a voicemail on the business unusual hotline eight eight eight Barbara. That's eight eight eight B. A. R. A. Aren't a you can also tweet it to me at Barbara. Corcoran and I may just answered on a future episode. You've been listening to business unusual with me. 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David Sunfellow, Can the Scientific Study of NDEs Reveal the Purpose of Life? |413|

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David Sunfellow, Can the Scientific Study of NDEs Reveal the Purpose of Life? |413|

"Searcher are cord. Kenny from south park trip through hell. The news a war just broke out up on. Saddam Hussein my new partner. Your man is getting stood south park creators, Trey Parker and Matt stone show in dealing with hell is truly masterful. And it has a direct link to today's show because, as you know, be on the love and light aspect of the near death experience, which is overwhelmingly the most significantly reported experience. I mean like eighty ninety percent of people report that there are reports of hellish indie experiences, and they are significantly under reported, there under reported by experiencers who are undoubtedly afraid of facing the ridicule in judgement. That comes with saying, e L I was in hell and people are the yeah. Why were you in hell, what have you done wrong that I don't know about, but they're also under report about indie researchers? And this has an interesting twist to it because it says that. The data that were getting back that we're trying to rely on for trying to make all these interesting assumptions about extended realms that, that is subject to the same kind of personal human factors that we see in every other branch of science. So if you're an indie researcher, do you really want to report the hill thing, what do you do with that? What do you do with the often very Christian biblical baggage that comes along with that? Do you as some do kind of immediately distance yourself from that? Oh, that can't be real in the way that you're thinking about it, it has this, cultural overlay to me. Do we really know that? Can we really make those kind of sumptious and what is the endgame for making those kind of a sumptiousness about a consciousness that extends into an interferes and corrupts with the data in the extended consciousness round if you know what? I mean these some of the issues that we get into today's show with the very excellent. Davidson fellow in this game of trying to figure out again from the wrong end of the telescope. What's really going on in this extended consciousness realm. If we're going to play the game for going to follow the data. This isn't the data Jeffrey long his research, very much supports the idea that there are these hellish rounds. He in fact, here's a quote from him and says, quote, the most frightening things that I've encountered, in my life are not from fictional books or staring movies, but from near death experiences with hellish content. So he's not saying there's no hell, he's just saying that, you know, God is not sending people to hell, which is a common theme among near death experiences as a whole. I think they're saying something else. The way I read this data is, there are a lot of scary movies out there. And you may have to watch a scary movie that may be on your path to help your overall learning in guiding of your soul to where it needs to be. But. Don't take the fucking scary movie too seriously. That's what the data comes through over and over again and says, and that's why I guess what I'm saying about Jeff long as what you said, is technically true, but his overall conclusion is that it's not anything to be feared. It's part of your souls experience. It's a small movie that you will walk into and walk out of this is a deep dive into ND research, in how we might use it to better understand. Who are we? Why are we here in how we should make decisions around those questions? David is a terrific guest, whose decades of work in this field gives him a unique vantage point to reveal the big picture takeaways from these experiences, my niece, one time asked me, what is it about near death experiences that you've learned something new didn't you already L this stuff? And my answer. Was I learned to near death experiences that I didn't aren't from the other things. The first thing was a full picture, how all the pieces fit together. And the second thing was they emphasis that near death experiences give to certain aspects of our life. And the main thing that leads to mind is the idea of the little things in life are the big things stick around my conversation with Davidson fellow is coming up next on skeptical. Today. We walk them Davidson, fellow skeptic. Oh, he's here to talk about his new book, the purpose of life as revealed by near death experiences from around the world and really to talk about a lot more. I've had a great Email exchange with David just chatting one second ago. When I first got him on the zen caster here, and we had a chance to talk to each other for the first time, and I feel like a certain connection with someone who's really devoted themselves to trying to understand more broadly, these big picture questions, who are we? Why are we here where we headed and David has done that and just amazing ways compile thousands of near death experience accounts, both written and video? He's put together a very popular website. That is a real go to for a lot of people within the near death experience community near death experience. Researchers know him well and he. Really tackles things that are sometimes outside of were a lot of people wanna go in terms of the natural controversies that arise, when you look at these extended conscious thing. So with all that David certainly great, great, great to have you on skeptical. Thanks for being here here too. Alex, thanks for inviting me. So let's see, you know as much as I sketched out, a very brief bio of you, it is very brief. So who is David son, fellow? Yeah. That's a that's a big question. I guess boil it down by saying that. I'm, I'm just someone who has been my life trying to understand if the questions you know, why are we here was life, all about, where's it going. And that's been my main focus along with raising for children doing a bunch of other things. But the main thrust of my life has been to try to answer these big fundamental questions. Why do you suppose that is? I mean, I'll frame it up a little bit. Because I've told this story on the show. You know, I grew up in homeless pretty success oriented. And that's how my family raised me. And I think there was a good thing about that was after the normal things that our society says, but I always had in the back of my mind that I needed to get past that. So I could get to these bigger picture questions. So that's what I did. And I expected to find a lot of other travelers on that road people who had said, okay, I'm gonna tackle life, but also going to tackle, what are obviously these fundamental questions in life? And I found that, you know, people just aren't interested. Yeah. Right. Or there. In a very narrowly defined way that, you know, is like, okay church tells me that's how it is. Which to me is, again, not. I mean we even people who are religious in your religious. We're gonna talk about that for a minute. We'll talk about what that means for you. But a lot of us, there's a deeper drive like, hey, is that really all the answers, and I think you have that drive to what do you think that's about? Well for me way to frame, it would be through brutal childhood and basically, crawl out of that wondering what happened? Why did happen how can I put Humpty Dumpty back together again? And so that really was found nation. Started everything. I didn't inter- the world with the resources or well or anything like that for my family's perspective. Saul bottom line. Just to survive. So I crawled out of my childhood with women's in desire to understand what if this is all about in that visually, led me to Virginia Beach Virginia work if Eker Casey, and then I went through a period of about five and a half years. Dr is the sole type of experience, that took me down the rabbit's hole to all these other places in that officially launched me into. Getting really, really serious, or my own personal reasons of needing to understand what is this all about. And how we learned to live healthy, happy productive lives in this world. So that's my little bit, Mark on my background. Interesting. What do you think about the Edgar Casey material, it always has intrigued me what was it that, drew you to that? And what did you feel like you came out of it at the end? Yeah. Yeah. Well, when I in counter case in interior unknown, I was looking for help, and why don't we tell folks really briefly just in case they don't because it's a little bit dated now known talks about it. Although it's still an amazing body of work set all about. Well, Casey was a man who. Through a series of events. He actually had a health crisis. He was hypnotized during hypnosis he can stay at the time, but he was hitting ties. And then when he was in tic- got a slice back. He was able to tell the hypnotist exactly what was wrong with this body, what needed to correct it. That started the process with Casey, and he eventually became all trans site. He would go into these translates in men over the course of this lifetime. If what is called readings for teen thousand of these readings that dealt with all kinds of topics, including big picture, topics of life. But you what he became famous for were his health ratings, and he had the ability to basically when he was in trance to go into the person's body and diagnose, everything that was wrong and under correct problems. Anyhow, a lot of regulus healings result from the. Diagnoses that were given from the readings, and he himself would not remember anything about what was centering the trance time. So I came across his work and against the readings, and eventually ended up in Virginia Beach Virginia, which is is where is located and was there for sixteen years. So in Virginia Beach, and I've never been in been to the. Associated lecture research. That same organization. Okay. Awesome. So I want you to tell us a little bit about what that was like. And what it was like to stay there in studying. I know many people have had amazing experiences just being there, but also wanted just fill in a couple of details that, I know and you can elaborate on these correct me on, what are you making things is when you say he's doing these readings. These are a lot of times, I've letters. I mean, this is kind of back a day, you know, and people are just right in these letters in he would go into trance in the kind of medical readings that he would give give people an example, David, but he will do really, really specific things. Not like kind of general things he'd say, you know, take this particular route that you'll find in your with this, and then you healed over seven days. It's like you can't really make that stuff up. Right. Right. And the, the association for researching Lightman, which is the organization that archives his work in has a lie. Gary and they do regular conferences. They have all these readings on file, were anybody can go in and study them, including case histories tell exactly the stories you just mentioned. And some of these are off the top, you know, wild stories, for example, there's one where he did a reading about a number particular problem was, but heart of the diagnosis was finding this of secure herbal remedy in this drugstore, in some distant city, and this was a person written into him. And so he told them where to go find it. The pharmacist couldn't find it did another meeting. He said, okay, go back in this reference on third shell in the back, and that was the kind of stuff that he did it was, you know, just story after story after story you don't wanna put a pin in this because I don't wanna pull it into the interview right now. But one of the things that I really appreciated about the E mail dialogue. We've had is. Like take this Edgar cases story right there. It already starts to introduce some of the complexity the contradictions the impossible to resolve. You know, how does this extended consciousness thing work? And what does it mean to transcend space and time and is destiny? Really destiny in all these complicated questions. So, like I said, one of the kind of set those up in the background, but maybe in your story, tell us how that rolls into the near death. Experience science stuff why you were drawn to it, and what that evolved into for you, right? Well, there are two tracks. The first one is just Casey, providing the basic overview of light. There's a lot more onto light. And we realized there are spiritual forces were there are specific things we can do. Our lives to improve them improve. For example, Casey, recommended prayer meditation and dreams as a three main tools to use in your life. So Casey was providing a big framework about how to view light in general and how to begin to move through. So that's the general picture more specific near death experiences team fixture for me is Wally was at Virginia Beach Virginia studying Hazies worth dissipating in work study program. One of the speakers, they had was a guy by the name of Dr George Ritchie. And he came and told his experiences near death experience and at the time, it wasn't even called in your death experience was about nineteen seventy four seventy five about the time. Raymond moody was coming out with his book, and I didn't know what to make of this was, this was a professional medical doctor. Very well-known respected us particular area. It was telling about. Humbly might add humbly telling about this life changing experience, that he had he was he had actually died and counter with Jesus and told this fabulous story. So that was the bursting counter. I have with near death in. You're hearing near death experience turns out that this particular about George Ritchie was a mentor to Raymond moody and Raymond moody spoke like after life after life, which, of course started the near death experience movement. The modern near death experience movement was dedicated to Dr George Ritchie, who introduce him to near death experiences. So that's my first connection, bent Essex or why did it kind of grab you the way that it did? Heard anyone have an experience like his by that time become familiar with a lot of mystical experiences with classic descriptions of cosmic consciousness, universal conscience consciousness, Satory some things like that, and I was more of the mindset of, you know, the purpose of life really is to basically figure out how to get out of this world. And so here was in Casey didn't have that perspective. But George Ritchie talking about this personal experience in counry head with Jesus. And in describing all different realms, if he Bizet and what he was shown in these different places. Hell begin to give me a sense of what life was really about. So that basically helped begin to change my perspective on why were here and what was important. So I just wanna let folks know you've brought up Jesus a couple of times, and that's going to be very interesting topic for us to talk about, and I wanna get there, and I have a couple of clips queued up that you've already heard that I think we're going to have an interesting conversation about want people hold on, and listen to that. But I don't want people to be thrown either way, by the Jesus thing because I think you recognize it as a potential contradiction, stumbling block, but also opportunity in figuring this out. And I wanna let people know that you're not married to anyone interpretation, and we're going to have to figure that out as we go. But I guess what I wanted to do is return to the near death experience thing because I'm gonna suggest you David that one of the reasons that you were drawn to the near death. Experience is the same. Reason I was drawn to it because I never had in your experience. I don't know who's had a near death experience. And it sounds like that's similar to your situation, maneuver George, Ritchie you hadn't had or did you have any family members who had told you story like this. No, I had no direct contact with anyone at that time who had in your experience, and I myself either I went through the spiritual trail on the experience, but not the classic near-death experience. And by the way, this is an important clarification in my time with the casing, teary light, it came in contact with a lot of other psychic metaphysical type things. And so I recognized in near death experiences. There was something different happening with those experiences versus your typical needing trance-like it something different quality of the experiences different. And so that's another reason that it got my. Attention. That already spent. I spent like you said decades in the physical world, and eventually led me to the near death experience world which is what has become an last actually last several days major focus in my life. So that is interesting right there on think it you put your finger on it. I don't know if that's true for me. I'm not totally certain about the difference between near death experiences in other spiritually transformative experiences, but I have to admit aknowledge what you're saying they do seem to touch us. More directly touch, our heart more directly. They do me in, they do so many people that I've encountered, and I think that's kind of interesting. But I think the other thing that either consciously or subconsciously near death experience taps into forest is because we are emeged in this. Materialistic science as we know it driven culture, it gives us a certain confidence to kind of leave that aside and say, now wait a minute. You can't get past this. This person was dead. Their brain was not functioning in the way that you said brains are supposed to function and they had it. I think for me. There's a certain scienc- kind of confidence in the near death experience science that is satisfying. Do you feel any of that? I don't wanna put words at all, but absolutely. I mean, what how what I would add to that is that for me? You know, the idea all the data the data when it comes to near death experiences is more clear in my view. If you if you gather all the data in the room, like from transit, transects, or from mystical experiences from other kinds of experiences in the same room and. Gathered those together with your experiences as a whole. I think that clarity that comes shines through your experiences is much more for Matt and not just the fact that we're talking about people who have died and left their bodies for the most part in near death experience. You know, lastly talking about someone has died and left, there by which is different than a psychic who is still in their body. Directly connected to their physical by their ego, structures, personnel, and so forth. But in addition to that, you have remarkable testimonies of healings, verifiable healings of taking place, much in a much greater degree in your experiences than these other types of experiences that will, we, if people report, and I'm not saying, there's no value and all the experience. I think they're fantastic personal transformative value in the other kinds of extremes. Is that human beings? Have by as of body of were as a whole, I think near death experiences. Give us a clear, a clear insight into the forces at work in the week. And learn more on, okay? David, you sent me this book the purpose of life as revealed by near death experiences from around the world and you recommended to me and to any reader to sip in savor it bit by bit. That's kind of what I've done. I kinda read until I cry which minds up about three or four pages because I'm not a super crying kinda person, but these accounts as anyone knows who has dipped into him. They just touch us in a way, but you've done more than that with the book as well. You've kind of touched on some other areas in topics within this near death. Experience thing that need to be talked about, we'll tell us what your try. To do with the book, and what people are gonna find when they get. Okay, what I was what I'm trying to do with the book is I sent a pass for five years looking at all kinds of experiences and info kissing civically on near death experiences for the reason that just mentioned. So what I've tried to do with the is, is elected gather the best of the best stories, come across in this, you know, search down on them together in one place where. If a person wants to okay, look person asks, what are near death experiences about what are the main things they have to teach us. And then with me, the main focus, the on as practical application. What can we learn from these experiences that we can practically apply to our everyday lives? Well, here's a book that will help you understand the power the instructive clear power, these stories authoress on so that and not just that. That's the big picture. What are, what are those David? What are those, what would you say are two or three of the big takeaways, that you can say, in terms of, hey, this is how you should live your life based on this information. Right. Well, of course, the biggest takeaway is love is really what it's all about. We're here to become more loving and present with. While I guess, the name thing I would say that I've learned from your experiences in the main thing. Thank you. Is it it's not just about love generally is about love and very specific forms. Meaning learning how to love every single person thing we encounter in our life, and that includes the people, we encountered on a day-to-day basis. The cashier at the store. It includes the plants and animals that we, you know, aren't relationship with it includes the environment, includes our bodies ourselves, our minds or emotions includes outreach thing that is the main Russ of what near death experiences are I've late trying to teach us that life is about love, and we're here to learn how to express love to everyone everything polluting ourselves that we come in contact with in this experience. But whenever somebody says something like that it's kind of it almost sounds trite. You know. I mean so compared to what David compared to what? Okay. Love, everybody love everything. Love everyone until the curly baba being. Compared to what who is trying to do that extent? Well, I think probably there's a lot of people that are not focus on loving others or loving your arm. Does give you tangible examples of what does that mean a practical application and book is full of stories where people are encountering, for example, unloving action. What, what is was an absolutely where the great stories has to do with Kenneth ring in his talking about near death experience or that he knew where he was living life review? And what had happened in his case is used writing down the road in pick. Somebody was walking cross cross law who got in his way interrupted, his as we stop the got out and beat the guy. And then during his leg review, he was able to experience that situation from the perspective of the other person, but not just from the perspective, actually, in their body experiencing everything that happened. How many times he was hit how he felt about this. Interaction. And so the book is full of stories like this eliciting, what love looks like impractical application Zana's, your question. It does. But we're meandering into the contradictions right? So a love that story, by the way, and I think it's, it's gut wrenching, even as you tell it again. It's gut wrenching to think that I might have to experience everything that I've done both positive and negative from another perspective. And that I always thought this was the key thing about the near death experience science. If you will the compilation of that. Data. It's telling me that I will be the one who will judge that the re that I experienced on a twenty four seven voice inside my head. I'm not going to get away from that. That's going to be the voice that's going to be the me. That is now standing judgment. God isn't gonna stand a judgment. Jesus isn't going to stand judgment LA Buddha. Fill in the blank. They're not going to stand in judgment that voice. That's right now inside my head is going to stand. Not even in judgment, just gonna stand there in observe, what that means. And what that could mean in the same way that I could go learn something now and understand what it means in my life. What do you understand kind of where I'm going with that? Right. I would say it a little differently light. It's the way that near death experiences classically tackle. This is it's not so much intellectual observation exercises. Actually, you're literally, you are the other person you are the other creatures. You've interacted with in your experiencing how you're treating them from their perspective as them so this role in the body of the other person experience in that forces, much more educational than just observing whatever may be happening. So the lesson from that is number one that we're all connected in life together. And we're we are responsible for the wave that we're interacting with each other so much. So the actually will have the experience of being the other people in beings relationship with and that. Kind of segues into another thing on top of wall. What does love love liking practical application? And one of the main things that is very eliminating surprising from near death. Experiences is focus on the little things, the little interactions, little words, we say, little things we forget, an overlook having profoundly significant impact on the life that were interacting with so Bessette calling for us, not just to be sloppy with okay. All the a loving person generally with we actually have two of the anti to where we're becoming more conscious of every interaction where having is having an effect upon the rest of the universe, and often, it's the smallest things that we do in, in the course of the conversation is saying, some kind or mean remark that ends up turning out to be this hugely impactful thing. So that kind of rose the whole loving others into like a whole new perspective. At least for me is like, wow. I didn't realize that my actions hat were that significant, especially the seemingly small incident ones. You know, put a pin in this as well, because whenever one someone starts going down the path of up the ante in terms of what I have to do that seems to stand completely at odds with what I'm the overall message that I'm taking away from all this, which we can have a good discussion about a healthy discussion about. I don't have to do anything, you know, I don't think God is standing in judgment of me, and is demanding that I do anything and I think that's a huge shift that I would avoid making because I think it leads us down some paths that we can look at. And at least. Say that doesn't collectively feel right to the overall mission. And so as we talk about purpose as we talk about meaning as we talk about takeaway lessons, one of the things that I think, is a good way to start is to say, what are some ideas that we can maybe dispel, or, or say, you know, from the little shreds of information, we're getting back from collecting about this, this was what doesn't seem to be well supported in the data. So I'm gonna stick a pin in the you know, here's what you should do. The Anne in and switch over to the other side with that, and maybe touch on some points that are beautifully covered in your excellent website, where you tackle these issues and you have great titles to him, and I'd start with this one shifting gears, a little bit, how to deal with skeptics. And eighth Theus tes. Because I think this is a perfect example of what I'm talking about where the data is our friend here, but is so stacked on one side that it really can help us in terms of how we deal with those folks who just are completely in denial about this or are firmly attached to the idea that it, it couldn't be true because, hey, they understand that there couldn't possibly be God. So tell us about how to deal with skeptics in Theus. Well, that's another big topic. I mean I would start with the. I see it as my job at the job of anyone else in early convert Scott Ceric. Yes, I think that everyone is on their own journey through life. And you know, it's important to be respectful in disrespectful of that young. Ever on articles on this, and your very there, well written because they're hard hitting in. They get right to the point of saying, here's the date of the only way you can your position is to step past all this data. Well, what I'm saying that I think are general posture towards everyone should be one of loving, and trying to understand you weren't of the person's coming from will being blown China shop look. I'm going to convert you tell you this is what you need to know. That said, if you have people that receptive to wanting to find out what the data says there, the data as you said, is overwhelming. I mean, there's just no there's no question anymore about is there life after death this consciousness after this or more to life than what we during this interior world? And there's a section I have on NHL these Omya website that is. Full of all these different resources to tackle that issue from multiple perspectives. So I encourage anyone who wants to know more about the data the proof that exists in support of consciousness, continuing to his that page, and maybe a Lincoln included in the city. That books can go to take a look at there's just remarkable overwhelming evidence. It's I don't even. Even talk about that anymore because it's, it's point in my mind of what's the dense or laugh like after its new point here. Here's the ADA overwhelming, I gotta persist on this little bit further because one of the things we talked about for this was Michael Shurmur. And I was telling you, hey, here's a link to the interview I just did brother recently with Shurmur, and it's one of I think I've done three with them. And I said, he's one of my favorite frenemies because he does have a certain style about him. That makes these kind of dialogues entertaining in you shot back and said, you know, I can't stomach seeing the guy or listening to the guy, and I get that. I totally get that, too. I just think we need to become a more kind of real about it in terms of why it pisses us off so much and I can just start with myself, and that's just to say, you know, I feel for people who have been social. Engineered mind controlled into this biological robot meaningless universe shit, and it gets drummed in from the time they go to school, and it's dropped in every time they turn on the mainstream news, and you can trace the history of near death experience and you can see every time a significant study comes out. There's this just barrage of quote, unquote skeptical, but it's not skeptical. It's coming from a different place. It's coming from. Don't go there. Don't explore what you might really be kind of thing. And Michael Shurmur is either a useful idiot in that process or is a player in that process. So I think we do need to kind of understand that and provide somewhat of a counter to that, that goes beyond, just, of course, we should glove. Everyone and the way I also also look at it as we should be entertained by everyone Mike rivers entertaining. What role? He's. To play in this. Is supposed to play some role in it surely rear that. I guess what I would say about that. Alex is what's up setting about the Michael Shurmur skeptic person is their refusal to look at the data? I mean, I just think that, that if you're gonna be in my in my view, if you're going to be true skeptic, that means you really look at the data, you're, you're looking at the data, where say to support this, or that you actually have to look at the data to make that decision. You can't just say this data is not in my particular world. You therefore it can't come in the room and we're not going to consider that or this wasn't make sense. And I really don't want to talk about a young to bring it in the room, and you have to have if you're again, being up a true skeptic, you have to you have to have the answers for why you have shared death experiences. For example, why blind people can see, you know, in your death experiences? Why have these miraculous? Healings why? What is terminal acidity about you have to have explanations? If you're going in, you have to know about the day and bring into the room veal to discuss some might issue with a lot of the scout Dicks in votes out there today is they don't they don't know about the data and they don't bring in the data in discuss. It, you know, full on why, why do you think that is why does that exist? Why is it so prevalent? Among certain group of well, why do people fall for easily? My view is that is like is facing people have their own mindsets in worldviews set in and they have a comfortable life or more or less comfortable, I built around that. And to bring in some of the data that I'm talking about with completely challenged. Materialistic humanistic worldviews. And, you know, that's just something most of us are designed to do don't after you spend a lifetime. Building a world. You that allows you to operate in the world. The last thing you wanna do is let things in the room that's going to tear that apart. So I understand why people are defended about things like that. I can see reflections in my own life of having the same thing where I built certain patterns had certain ideas in my life that I thought were true. I built my life around those and I was bended against data. That suggested I was wrong about that. And in the end when I did open the door for that new day to come into the room. It did dismantle a lot of the things that I thought, and I did have to rebuilt my life in a new way. So I think that it's partially that I think it's also partly developmental that it takes a certain kind of flexibility and maturity to be able to, you know enter into the wild west of near death experiences. And, you know, spirituality this, like, not a it's not a world like this material. World is. It's like there are so many strange and quantum physics like issues that operate in this world that it's much easier to stay somewhere else where everything is so cutting Brian mixes, let's hone in on that for a minute. David specifically, what do you think are some of the challenges to that paradigm shift because I think what you described, and you described it really well, is something that a lot of folks go through, and I certainly have gone through it, but in talking to people that have listened to the show, so so many people have gone through it. What are your think we're holding onto with this belief system that most of us have engrained in? Why are we holding onto it so firmly because at another level, you know, when you look at what the message is that you're saying is coming through from the near death experience science. It seemed like a very attractive alternative. What is it? That makes not seem as tractive to us at that time. Why is it such a huge shift for so many of us? Well, again, I, I think it was down to that we've created a world that were comfortable in that are eagles are comfortable, and where we can be ause of our own world's the master of our own worlds, and the things that we learned from near death experiences challenge that whole system. It's not just about us. There actually are other forces at, at life that are bigger that, that we have to contend with. And I've, I want what you think. After all the interviews you've done why you think people are so stop or attached to materialistic world, which, which your opinion on that you deal allow more with the scientific minded folks than I do. And I'm wondering what what your answer is question fear, you know, I think it is exactly what you said, spin it slightly differently. I've constructed a reality that allows me to avoid the things that I'm afraid of and allows me to hold onto the things that make me feel less afraid you hand. I'm so built around those two not getting what I don't want and trying to get what I want that. I just live in constant fear and any thought of just jumping outside of that is just really hard hard to get in that space. And maybe there's a component there, too. If you have a mindset. Stilt on immature universe, and your the, the mini God. That's in charge of it. There is a, a lot of focus on your the one that has to maintain control the soul you. There are. No external forces irritable forces angels. God. Jesus, whatever that can help you deal with this. You are alone, you know in your universe. So it puts a lot of pressure on us to I think that we have to maintain this, or, it's all on the drain, you know, we can't kinda void some of the religious overtones because they keep popping up in a way that is just challenging interesting. Let's talk about God. It's something you talk about a number of different ways. We should start with what we think. We mean by God. But no, let's start with a different point. Let's start with Dr Jeff along who is. I've been on the show several times. And you do a beautiful job of representing his work understanding his work studying his work. And the wind data point, we can kind of throw in people's face there, is that Jeff long, of course, is this radiation oncologist in Louisiana, who I always love, you know, the synopsis of his story. He's a he's becoming a physician, you know, and he's going through all his coursework, and he's studying he comes across. He's cases and he goes, wow. You know, this person came back from the dead from clinical death, and he goes to his colleagues, he says, what about this, and they're like, hey man, just I'm studying for the test one, you know, don't don't worry about that kind of thing is what do you mean? Don't worry about it. It's kind of fundamental, but he, he kinda plows through, and he becomes a very successful doctor. But he hasn't his mind that this is important in a, a love because I think it relates to people like you and I who, who just won't let go stuff and. Say no, no wait a minute. I'm pretty sure that the ignoring of this is not a good idea. So Jeff long does that. And he writes, a New York Times, bestselling book, compiles largest database of scientifically controlled survey of near death experiences. But then he writes, this second book and in the second book, he goes right to the God thing and he doesn't do it for himself. He does it with these people have had near death experiences. Any says is their God. Is there a moral imperative to this is there a hierarchy to this extended consciousness that you're seemed to be placed into after having these near-death experience? And they say absolutely all over the place. They say it in as a matter of fact, he says it severely under reported by near death experience researchers and that God is actually more highly reported than the whole tunnel thing. Right. So our whole share death experiences. You go through. This light a tunnel. He said, hey, I'm sorry. Look at the data the data. That's their, the tunnel is no doubt there in a large number of cases. But God is there even more. So I don't know what that means and I'm not a religious person. I'm not Christian but I do think like you said following the data with regarded near death experience does bring us to God, moral imperative hockey of consciousness, however, you want to say it so let that be a launching point for any thoughts you have about the God issue. Well, the first huge sought for me is, how is it that we're like forty plus years into modern near death experience research. How is it that it's taken all this time for a researcher, like Jeff long to come out and actually knowledge the central role that God. Plays in these experiences. Why has it been ignored overlook or overlooked by researchers all issues? I think it has to do with the materialistic culture that were in the materialistic way that science is kind of forced to look at everything that it's just too hot topic for a credible needs stream scientists to take up because they're such a scientific bias against God and other spiritual things are just too hot topic to, you know, engage until just the last couple of years. So I think there are other topics like that as well, that really have been Noord grievously with serious consequences were just beginning to come around and try to another words. The stories themselves have been here for us. All these years they've been being collected in being analyzed database archive. And study. But we're just now at the point where beginning to drill into some of the bigger like Jeff did on this particular topic. Hey guys. Just to make a note of this. There's this guy presence, that's really dominant in these experiences, we need to acknowledge that and do something with it. Right. And let's drill into that a little bit more because as you say, it is under reported in under analyzed, if you will. So what these people are consistently saying in a number of different ways from wide variety of different religious or non religious backgrounds. They're saying in the term I always slip into to avoid some of the baggage that goes along with God is a hierarchy of consciousness, so they're there and they say, hey, there was definitely this power, this spiritual force, and it was way beyond whatever I've experienced as my ego myself. I am, however, you want to put that in any kind of none dual or religious thing they go, no. No, no, no, no, no. It was separate from that in it was higher than that. And let me ask you is there anything as, as a starter that we need to add to that? Because let's also knowledge that is a lot for people to swallow. It is gonna really that statement along is gonna piss people off in really send them rocking because we've kind of constructed all these different spiritual realities that says, no, it's just kind of this immortal kind of consciousness and we're all floating drops of ocean and Trump's of water in the ocean, which may be true on some level, too. But I'm just saying this data comes through, and clearly says something different that I think we have to deal with what are your thoughts on that or additions that you'd have to that? Well, what I would add to that is, first of all, not everyone has an account with a. A personal on the other side. I mean, the majority of people report that but many people do not many people have more generic, you know, loving, you know, more along the lines of some of the eastern traditions of, you know, cosmic consciousness being one with the universe failing ourselves to be one or. And so on a significant portion of these experiences reports of preying on in some form form of alight. Usually the way that most people experiences, but it's definitely a distinct being different from one cell yet connected to oneself. That is a dentist by is our creator. But then it goes step further like it's not just there doing nothing just emoting love, like the sun, it's actually actively engaged in our lives, and that traces back you look at, you know, again, Jesus comes up in that context where you have hit the way he described his relationship or talked about it is, you know, Papa personal relationship with this supreme being that is active in our world in our lives. So near death experiences honor the whole gamut they honor the personal God thing that many. Many people report, they also honor of people not having an encounter with the supreme being like that. It's more of just encountering the universe as everything's alive in its full of love. And so there's all kinds of different elements involved with this particular topic, and one of the elements that you just talked about, and let's rest here for a second. Is this idea of agency being able to affect this world if you will? And this kind of ties back to what we're talking about with Edgar Casey stuff, right? Because you can come at this agency thing from a number of different paranormal extended consciousness angles. So let me make sure I'm not just doing word salad here that no one can out. Edgar Casey is transcending our space time reality in every way that w sets kind of indisputable we we have no way. No other way of explaining. Ng what he's doing how he's getting a letter from Omaha in saying cookout to the drugstore that seven miles away, and on the third shelf in the back that transcends our understanding of space time. It's completely outside of our reality. So he's there it, he's then this is the important part, he is affecting this reality in that we can't even understand that we can get into kind of scifi kind of, you know, back to the future. If you change the time line how to there's a whole bunch of questions about that. Then there's a whole bunch of questions about that of, you know can only good effect that or combat affect that, too. Can you curse we up that whole thing, but now we switch back over here to what you're talking about. And we say now we have what is being presented as some kind of, if there is this hierarchy it's, it's known to us through the experience. To be way up there, and it's saying, oh yeah, by the way, I have agency. I have ability to affect your life, and we, if you will accept the evidence, we have some evidence of that, right? Because they crack and they do things they heal people. They, they say you will be healed after this. They say, oh, unfortunately, you will be healed after this. But unfortunately your son will die, you know, as a as a teen and all these things become true or, you know all these things. So I'm just trying to frame him up what we're talking about in some of the problems and challenges of where we go with this information, because if we are stuck in this time space reality, that is a small portion of consciousness. Then let circle back and ask the question of what are we supposed to do with this information, that is outside of that can be really use it in the way that we want to? Back to the whole purpose of your book. Can we really say that these things are? So just because we're down here in the bigger thing is out there. Now of I'd lost the thread. You know what I mean? Yeah. Let me all comment on. Davis thing were gave a great analogy for this idea of the invisible worlds constantly, influencing and being part of our normal world material were unaware of them in the example, that he gave the analogy gate was the microscope. You know, we for a long time, we had no concept of what the cells in our body looked like until the microscope was developed in all said, you can drill down on my gosh. There's cells Nak Tyrian biases. And there's all these invisible beings that are operating in our physical universe that we were completely unaware of until the microscope was developed. So the actually see these these days existed, and they were actually affecting our physical world, the point being than in the same way, that microscope allows us to see these hidden forces in the material world. There's a spiritual. That also is constantly interacting with us, which we are unaware of. All but we can see the impact of their presence. And of course, if you follow the data, again, the stories are legion about encounters that, people have with angels of other kinds of spiritual forces that, you know, he'll them or give them answers or a dream, or whatever it might be. So the point being that the data the stories are legion. They're everywhere, all around us, even though from scientific of point of view, we haven't been able yet to develop something allows us to tangibly CD's forces in work at work in this world. Right. But even if we were able to see those forces at work, we still have just an endless number of questions about what kind of conclusions. We could draw on that. It's back to the shut up and calculate stuff. We're talking now through all this technology that relies on these very fixed laws being in place in opera. Rating reliably and they fricken do, and we can't get past that. So it's hard for us. I would say impossible for us to imagine from the data, what that interaction is because it doesn't seem to make any sense. And then I would also say that I would jump over to our friends who are in the left hand path, which is kind of misunderstood. And I'm not a left hand path person but I appreciate many the aspects about it, and they say so wait a minute. Why are we limited than to only looking at the forces that manifest in a certain way? And I guess what I'm saying is what you're gonna call this kind of church -i good stuff. Why don't we look at the full spectrum of forces that are impacting our world? And let's take a step back from the highly judgmental. You know, this is good or bad, because we're living in a world of contradictions were living in this. This manifest destiny. United States kick ass. Take names conquer everybody. And then, you know, enslave, everybody. But then be higher in better than there's contradictions everywhere. We look so let's unpack that and chat about that for a minute. Well, I think the main thing here recently that comes up to me when you're saying that is, yes, in the same way that we have spiritual forces that are unseen. We have the demonic forces evil forces dark forces that are working our world. And those also needs to be factored in and need. We need to step into that whole Rena. And that's another arena that the near death. Experience movement has a whole has not really come to terms with in the same way that this personal thing is just urging on the scene as a of books are being written about it. Finally, we haven't really dealt with the reality. Of help and hellish experience and demonic spirits and Wessel about how do they in? How can we houses that within the grand scheme of things? The purpose of life was all that about. And that's that's entering that. I think we really need to know more about, and it has very, very tangible practical application in our everyday life. Okay. You've kind of right into one there in terms of the hill thing, let's talk about that you have an article on your website. It has probably the most comprehensive collection. I've seen of these hellish at experiences and they really grab people. They really grab a lot of people very interested in this topic. Some of the highlights that you point out from your data is that they are significantly under reported again by. As much as we like to praise this research, they seem to kind of want to dance around this issue and just under report it. They saw Assad is, it's not just the researchers problem is also a problem with the way our cultures designed that people are stigmatized, if they have this experience and they don't wanna talk about. Okay. Fair enough. But man, it's just wear people go with this. I think is really challenging as well challenge you. That's such a soft word, it's really difficult to because it brushes right up against some other shit that I know is fake and false from not don't know it's fake and false. But in the same way, in the same way that we can say, you know what the atheist dick, you're a biological robot in a meaningless universe that data hasn't just been falsified. It's Ben purposely insisted medically. Fed into the system for particular reason, there's really no other way for me to interpret that data because it's such a stupid idea. You know, it just is the your consciousnesses an allusion. We can break that down. And it's a silly idea. But in the same way, some of the Christian and other religious dogma bullets focus on the Christian dogma is completely corrupt and his falsifiable in a number of ways, and has been deeply destructive to allot groups and a lot of people and I'm not telling you anything that we haven't had an Email exchange about already. But, you know if you wanna go way back. Oh back to Constantine, the father, what a corrupt individual, what a corrupt system to that he put in place called the Catholic church in three hundred whatever it was in slaves. All these people takes way, all their power and really just substitute it with this church that has. Perfect reflection of the Roman church. But then fast forward with everything all the eagles, we've seen with Christianity, right up to the current pedal, pope in the sex scandal. And yet, you're asking us to read the bible, and use the bible as this fundamentally uncorrupted source of truth. The seems to be a real real mismatch there, and it is gonna rile a lot of people when they hear you talk about the way you do about hell, and that we should literally understand these hellish experiences to be as they're described in the bible, and all the rest of that. On american. Let me clarify you're talking about there. First of all, where I'm coming from is data and in this case, big data. So I'm not talking about only Christian. Experiencing Christian reports of the hellish rounds. I'm talking about that. You're, you're eighth Theus on the corner who ends up in hellish route. Or let's go back to Plato and talk about what, you know, there was a guy then it was called earth who was a soldier who had in your experience player talked about recording in Republic. He had part of his near death experience vision of the hellish round. So hell and hellish domains and realms do are not owned by Christians. The fact, one of the there's a fantastic book just been published recently by Buddhist American Buddhist talked about his experience as Buddhist. Fizzing kanter's Intourist. They will say on it to the hellish realms by the Buddha. Hell. So this is not just a Christian phenomena. Versing is important to separate hell from Christianity. This is collected human experiences happened throughout the ages. And the second thing the to begin to take a look at health from through the window of the big data. Let's get all these stories together. Put him on the table. Let's do it. We can to strip out the culture. The inappropriate started Inculturation of the various people that are coming to table with these stories. And let's see if we can identify the core truce that run throughout him that we need to learn from and apply to whatever to our particular light into our particular culture. That's what I'm talking about. And that's by the way. That's what the resource stage on the formula website that deals with hell gives a broad perspective of these experiences from all over the place. Not just visions. Okay. With. With you acertain extent. But I think we gotta do a little reality check. I wanna play a couple of these clips that I got from sid Roth an interesting televangelist, converted Jewish guy. Not that, that makes any difference. But it does make a difference that he came to Christianity, not from his cultural background, but, you know, he is brought up in the Jewish tradition. And some Christian guy comes along, though, it's got to be Jesus, and he goes, he has his personal experience with Jesus. And then Jesus leads him to Christianity. And here he is leading a bunch of other people onto what hell Israel L about now, you are about to know what hell has purposely kept hitting from you. It's hells fast kept secret. There he goes half, but near two thousand. You were at rock bottom, how bad was. I was so depressed. I had planned my suicide different times, and my life just didn't feel ahead hurt and pain rejection inside of me. And I didn't know what to do with it. No. But person there who were going to hear more from in a minute is her name is Laura Dadi inches written, this book about her hellish experience. And there's some really important things that I think we can add to our conversation in a super interesting level three kind of skeptical way. One is the experience that she's about to describe, and it is terrifying. And I just have a small clip from the overall thing is just more terrifying than the worst horror movie ever seen. But this was an experience that was not through near death experience, but was through what we would normally, call a paranormal experience yet again this base time shit. Interesting that she was at an evangelical retreat. I mean, the one thing I get from this story is the sounds like a woman of virtuous woman, who's living a good life into all the right things. And yet she visits hell and she has his experience, and it's a whole experience that only lasts a few seconds. She wakes up kind of where she's passed out in the retreat, but let's get onto her experience. Let me play that for you to always be pain into know that it was it kept ramping up. And it was going to keep getting worse and worse and worse. It was never going to end. That was the thing. It wasn't like could reach a pentacle in hell. It worked the same as in heaven, my full brain operated, and I knew I knew all of Matthew eighteen I knew every scripture that I'd ever read, I've read the whole bible. I knew every scripture that I've ever read in it made complete sense, and it was completely righteous that I was in hell. And there were people there just like me. Jesus is Lord refused to bang him. They say we love you, we love you, but this country's teach if you love me, then I'll be me. And I think that's why so many people are a little bit taken aback by these hellish accounts that come through from fundamentalist, Christians. So. Say about I was going to ask you can you can you elaborate on what you mean by that. Are you talking about the Jesus part or you talking about her experience in hell? Her conclusion from it. It's incredibly powerful testimony. But her vision about to me for my interpretation of the near death. Experience data. It's starkly in contrast of what near death experience. Researchers tell us go. Listen, my interview with Jeff launch said, exactly the opposite. He says, compiled all looked at all of it. There is an infinitely loving, God, not there to punish us not there to demand that we follow his creed. He says, all that does not come through in the day to as a matter of fact, he says that the data contradicts that conclusion and yet she is entitled experience. I'm not taking that away. But I'm just saying in this game of. Trying to figure out again from the wrong end of the telescope what's really going on in this extended consciousness realm. If we're going to play the game. We're gonna follow the data. This isn't the data. Well, I would I would suggest first of all, just to be clear your readers understand Jeffrey long history. History, search very much supports the idea that there are these hellish realms. In fact, here's a quote from him and says, quote the most frightening things that I've encountered in my life or not from fictional books, or staring movies, but from near death experiences with hellish content. So he's not saying there's no hell, he's, he's just saying that, you know, God is not sending people to hell, which is a common theme among near death experiences as a whole. I think they're saying something different. I think they're saying something else, and this is where it's hard because people are going to have to make their own opinion on this. But the way I read this data is. There are a lot of scary movies out there. It Hugh may have to watch a scary movie that may be on your path to help your overall learning in guiding of your soul to where it needs to be. Don't take the fucking scary movie too seriously because if it is a lesson. And I don't like that word. But if that's the meaning of it, don't go off in interpreted as some kind of reality, or you've lost the path again, because you do have to pick up, and you do have to tomorrow comes, and you have to do the best you can, and you have to Connor other people who even though they seem evil or satanic or whatever the hell, you think they're doing the best vacation, and they're trying to figure things out and they're making horrible mistakes, and horrible decisions. But God doesn't love them any less than he loves you at. He isn't waiting to. Fuck it punish them as soon as he gets their hands on them all that. I think I not only believe that I believe that because that's what the data comes through over and over again and says, and that's why I guess what I'm saying about Jeff long is yet. What you said is technically true, but his overall conclusion is that is not a judgmental place. It's not anything to be feared. It's part of your souls experience. It's a small movie that you will walk into walk out of. Realtor, your me point? I think what's happening here is that we're confronted using Christian extreme typical Christian experiences of hell, what we're confronted with his are these, you know, experiences like the one you to share, and the way that I've come to understand it as you have to separate the big picture, which is what you just shared everything is wonderful universities. Experiences a hellish experiences exist. They come in. Go don't get too excited about him. You know, and there's a bunch of things could say about that. But drilling down into it. You have these what, what would you say about that? What would you say about that, David, I'm very interested? What would you say about that? What would I say? Exactly that, yes, they're there. But they come in go the universe is perfect. It's all love so don't get too hung up on it. What would you say? Well, I would say that I mean, I understanding of hell hell. Experiences is that I would be us a big word here, I would say that they're fundamentally apart of the overall experience. You take hell and what hell and hellish experience represent out of the equation. And you basically the system collapses. It's the whole system. This whole creative creation, experience, at least as we experienced in this world is built in part on challenging conflict hellish tight experiences. Of course, we have them all over the world in this world. We have many versions of hell many, you know, in North Korea, wherever all around the world fame selves out right now in this world. So this whole idea of hell is a fundamental part of the whole systems about that said, I think you taking a step further back, people universally report when they have these near death experiences and they get into a place where eighty. Come one with Garfield himselves too big and know all things understand all things. They look upon the whole picture. They universally describe it as like wonderful spectacular astonishing. Everything is in its perfect place. Everything is beautiful everything serves the whole. So I think hell needs to be looked at from that perspective. Yes. Hell exists it exists just as real as this world does because this role also is a dream world is created by mental constructs various times. But that said it plays a part in the overall scheme of things that needs to be honored recognize me joinder stand it. So we can know how to live our lives in a balance more healthy fashion, as I see. That's, that's totally cool. It you've done a ton of awesome research, and anyone who goes to your website, read your book will see how you break this down. Approach from an incredibly open minded, inclusive ways. So you are not a dog Matic guy, and I really respect it. You are doing truth seeking of the highest order. So now we're having this kind of level, three discussion where we can, you know slightly disagree on things that no one ever gets too, because they get totally caught up in the stupid. You know, does it exist? Sid Roth you're gonna burn in hell, kind of stuff and you're not saying that you're saying understand acknowledged it, and I'm saying we're never going to understand it. So that's off the table. And I'm saying any lessons we take from it. We should be incredibly humble about holding onto those lessons too much. You know, the analogy I would make you said, you have four kids, I have four kids wonderful. You know, we all love our kids. We all learn from our kids. We all are incredibly challenged by our kids. If you're a parent, you know what I'm talking about. Everyone of. My kids needs different kind of love in different kind of discipline, and some of them need a hellish experience in order to learn a lesson, another one doesn't need any of that ever to learn the lesson, they're just either because of their soul of their makeup or whatever I gotta believe for me. That's closer to what this is about. So I don't understand it as a quote unquote, reality more, as something that I may need as part of my, the term soul's journey to more broadly understanding all that, I can be what do you think about that? Well, I, I think exactly true. And that's the way I think that these experiences, a specially the dramatic Jesus save me Jesus as the Lord of the world you can't get out of hell without his health. Stories. That's the way to understand, and the correct way to understand is that it's a developmental thing. We all need different things, and people that, are there, actually, there are actually near death experiences. I mean these are really rare that don't have love mentioned in them at all. It's more an Old Testament type experience like there's one Jewish in particular has tastic near-death experience. That is just steeped with Jewish classic Jewish Old Testament, imagery and experiences. And I think that a part of near death experiences are also developmental. It's not just a you go to these realms that exist, independent of yourself, but it's actually you're helping create them. And you go to the Browns hell or otherwise that are reflective of your particular state of consciousness, your particular needs at the time in the same way you just described how our children all have different needs. I think that's exactly what's happ. Happening with these these Christian experiences than hell that they this is what they need to help them up. And if you go back to the to the store, you played and actually listen to all the way through lorries encounter of hell, you see that she's got a lot of the basic elements, right? Like, for example, she concludes at the end. What was the term, they're reusing about the secret of hell, in secret basically, was once saved always say, you know, the normal Christian mentality it if you're saying by Jesus, once you're always saved by Jesus. That's the conspiracy of health part of it is that that's not true. You actually have to responsible for all your actions in your in. You can't just a eighty Christian or Sunday Christian, you have to Christian all the time. So I think the messages from these experiences, including all the drama in tear that come with some of them are meticulously. Early designed for the ticket person question and that includes the particular group of people that, that particular person belongs to. So lower comes back with her experience, her experience has not only give them to her personally. But then she's given a mandate go back until the people what you experienced in her case, it's her Christian mainstream Christian people. So these are the lessons they need to learn in the whip that they need to learn it in dramatic judgmental believe in Jesus, or you go into help highway, that's what they need an eye on the interview you did with bravery should shine his name correctly. Right. One point you asked him about do you find love is love the main message that you find throughout history and all these various experiences that have come down through the ages. His answer was, well, not exactly. I need it's not so much. I love but it's more the idea of these cultures are being led step by step to improve themselves to become better to become more loving, but they're not specifically at least at that time given the love mandate. And so I see the same thing happening with these kinds of experiences that Chris, plastic, Christian folks report. They're given what they need to make the steps that they need to make once they've made those steps, which includes having a God's gonna rain, tear down the I don't you know, learn my lessons once you master, whatever, is associated without particular Old Testament mentality. Then you move onto the next one where that fear, God, you know, begins, the dissol and WorL overtly loving God begins to shine. It's like your developing aspects of yourself and you're also letting things go that, you know, animal sacrifices whatever you're letting things. Go that, you know, no longer need to. Because you run in ways that, you know, you weren't when the experience first place. That's awesome. And I love this discussion, and we've had a number of discussions on this show about the nature of evil. And I think it's kind of really, really important fundamental issue that I think is up heart of this question that we're kicking around in a way and because we do see a horse in the world that we can't. Process in the normal way. I always go to the either the satanic ritual abuse ritualistic satanic abuse a particularly the abuse of children, you know, and the sex trafficking, and, you know, five year old kids being molested, and as a parent, you know, that person is then destroyed for life and their families. Right. And then they're killed and putting a snuff, film. And, you know all this horrible stuff that we know goes on. And if you don't think it goes on be brave enough to take a Big Joe and do the research and it's just they're much more prevalent on a worldwide basis than any of us want to acknowledge, but it's there, it's there, it's there still the reason I always bring that up is because it really gets to the core of it for both. Most of us we go. Okay. That's evil. You know, I don't know if drones striking Yemen Yemenis wedding. Is evil? It sounds like fricken evil but I'm not sure there's political complexity to it. But you know what? Ab- ducting that little kid from a playground torturing him in killing him. That's evil. What's the nature of that evil and one of the best answers I ever got? I think was from guy friend of mine. Connor Abib who's been on the show and has kind of an interesting background that we won't get into. But one of the things is big Rudolf Steiner fan. And he says, you know how Rudolf Steiner approaches that he says, look, there's evil and we all know it's there and we're all tap into that at different times. We make poor decisions. We have a moment of weakness or a moment of greed, or whatever it is. We tap into that. You can do that at you can do that over and over again in your life. Ed, you will have any life, and then you'll die and you will come back and you may choose to do that again. And you may choose to do that again. And again. And again, in it may be a process, where your choice leads you to do a lot of this stuff. But if we get past the idea that you have to pay for it that you're somehow piling up these incredible karmic debts. I think there's another way to look at it. And that is that we all learn in different ways at different speeds, and that light is always shining that we can always look to. It's just a choice that we make. So I see it as an addition by subtraction kind of thing, not that we're constantly compelled to chewed, try with all our might to do the right thing. All's we have to do is look up because the sun is always shining and other this a little preachy, but I don't mean it to be. I think we're talking about a philosophical difference. In terms of the lessons, we can take away from this and the lesson I take away. From it is, in addition by subtraction. God, the light the hierarchy of consciousness is always there. If you choose to ignore it, that's just your choice. And there's a lot easier way. And that's just go towards it, and that to me, seems what comes through is the lesson for me. And all this d have any thoughts on the nature of evil and how to get out of it. And whether we have some karmic debt to pay in order to get out of it. Well, the way that I would frame, what you just said. Alex is I would how I understand your experience is that there are two massive life changing life changing forces that we see represented in the potty as a whole and the first one is encounters with the light. And that's you know, everyone describes as completely life-changing, and that represents the aspect of, of near death experiences that deal with God loves unconditionally. Everything is fine in the universe. Everything is in folding beautifully. Everything is perfect, and that is now to like a one year talking about now that we need to im- by and understand, at some of the mental level the other huge pillar of near death experiences championed by the life review, and that is that we need to be responsible. We are responsible. Like it or not for everything every action we engage in their consequences. We experienced consequences. It's not doing it God reading on judge Alice is we standing in judgment of ourselves. How loving have we been in our life, and we're measured by late life review? So you have these two forces standing side by side. The one loving unconditionally everything is perfect just the way it is. You don't need to do anything God loves us. The rain falls in just the unjust equally, and then the other force, that's holding us accountable for every Stingl and feeling we have, and we experienced the consequences of those feelings as they reverberate throughout the universe. So as I've come to understand what we're after is a marriage of those two perspectives the middle path a very balanced healthy way. And that's that is the magic formula. To bring those into proper balance. So we can actually be engaging us world doing things making positive changes, but the same time, not being overly crazy judgmental condemning of ourselves or others. So I think it's a perfect marriage of those two forces is what we're slumming to learn how to well, if you needed anything more of a recommendation for this book the purpose of life as revealed by near death experiences from around the world by our guest David fellow. Well, if you need more than that, you're not gonna find it that was quite beautifully succinct at well, said, David tell folks about more about your mission your journey, your website, your videos. You've put up there, all that stuff, found, well, basically as this book is the combination of everything I've. I'm trying to do. And by the way, one of the significant things about the book is the book is only half of this story. It's a collection of stories, but at the end of every chapter, there are links, thirty of which take you to the video, the choppers based on so you can watch the experience or tell their story or the researcher say whatever they have seeing chapter. So the companion website to the, you know, is at least half of what you have the book and then addition to that there are various other websites that support all the things of his talking about inklings of the this cover today, like Helen hellish rounds at all about. I'm so my, my main things been trying to understand what life's about. And, and I ended up Ka-sing on you know, when I put all the pieces together near death experiences for me has given me the clearest picture. So I've tried to gather. For the best of the best information available from these experiences and put it out in a way that other people can sink their teeth into so they can apply to their lives and barrier bury a practical as that's what I've been trying to do NAS job of it. And I totally agree with you, that there is something truly unique about what's going on with this near death experience. I don't want to exclude other ways of understanding full spectrum of this consciousness that were a part of, but there's if we are going to take that step and say, we can learn lessons, we can draw conclusions from stuff, Manai Griffin ending es are kind of special place to and Alex, I would agree with you to everything else, all the information also plays a significant role. So that's one of the main themes that I see. In their experiences that everything, everyone has a place in the wire. You know, they all have an honored place in the in the choir unnecessary place, where not complete without all the pieces, and that includes all the other mystical experiences and psychic experiences archaeology and science and anything else. I think of they all belong at the table. They all bring let me, let me say one thing that clarifies the near death experience with a little bit more. My niece one time asked me two years ago. She said, David would with all the research done on all these different spiritual has what is it about near death experiences that you've learned something new didn't you already L this stuff? And my answer was, I learned to thanks from near death experience that I didn't aren't from the other things, the first thing was how to put an not everything's complete, but I basically got a full picture, how all the pieces fit together. For the first time, things didn't really make sense. Couldn't see how all these discordant pieces together and till started sinking my teeth into near death experiences and then they help provide me a blueprint with how the different parts together as like a plane gathering all parts of the plane is sticking them all together. So the plane actually flies just pretends, the flyers as implied in this case, if flies. We haven't Raqi was healings a whole bunch of things to prove that this thing, actually flies. And the second thing was they emphasis that near death experiences give to certain aspects of our life. And how to frame those think about those and the main thing that leads to mind is the idea of the little things in life are the big things that something that you find in other traditions, but near death experiences makes it crystal clear with that actually means practical application. So near death extreme. Have done those two things from me, healthy, all the pieces together to unified whole that make sense to me. Awesome. Absolutely awesome. Well, it's been great David, and I'm sure we'll, we'll stay in touch best of luck with all this terrific work, and thanks again, for joining me on skeptical. Thanks again. Davidson fell for joining me today on skeptical. The one question I'd guest tear up from this interview because we spent so much time on it. What do you make of hellish, dear death experiences, how those fit into your overall worldview, and do you feel like you've been open to exploring that data head on, because it does seem to me that a lot of times wanted to flecked dismiss it, and it can't be this. It can't possibly be that we know all the Christians are full of crap. So it can't be this. So it's just some cultural overlay. I'm worried about some of the assumptions that are being made. I'm worried about the layer of interpretation that's being a. Allied to this data. And at the same time, I think it's really exciting stuff to talk about limit of your thoughts. You can definitely find me on the skeptical forum, but you can also find the other places Email me, if you have a really good answer that question love to hear it of a bunch of interesting shows coming up on skipped co please, stick around for all of that until next time, take care and bye.

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You Keep Telling Them Its Not Terrorism

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You Keep Telling Them Its Not Terrorism

"When you this is a stand up New York labs production providing you podcast since two thousand thirteen toil away the hardware. Wow this is the ravens imprint Waco ends up hey its Yarmulke and welcome to another episode of Rant and Rave Monica and friends. Hi guys quickly before I get started. Just WanNa let you guys know about my tour. Dates is very important for you guys to come out and see me. See me live. I need to be supported by those people that love me. And even if you can't come see me live remember. You have friends you have family that live in some areas where I'm going to be in the next couple of months so please spread the word. Share the information and have them come. Take a picture with me. I would absolutely love it so I will be chuckles. Comedy House in Cordova Tennessee March Twelfth Thirteenth Fourteenth and Fifteenth Again Chuckles Comedy House in Cordova Tennessee Twelfth Thirteenth Fourteenth and fifteenth. 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Or so ago but New Jersey security officials they release their annual terrorism threat assessment report and they assess that the threat level of white supremacy is high in which outranked their threat level for Isis Boko Haram and other terrorist organizations. I Miss Oh. That's from us from previous winner. Oh the one four so New Jersey so basically New Jersey. They finally ranked white. Supremacy is a higher terrorist threat then like Isis or Boko Haram. And before you see what's happening with this administration and other Other administrations than how they try to like protect white supremacists say they're like lone wolves that they don't coordinate together. It's not a real terroristic threat but New Jersey actually took the step to assess it as a higher threat than Isis was. This right after was a week ago. Yeah does shoot room in the shooting happened in Jersey with a Guy. Shot the COP and the whole thing like that was that terrorists. I can't remember that white supremacy. I'm trying to add dots together. They don't even go together. All I know is it's one thing to acknowledge and I'm and shot out to New Jersey for doing that because I do spend a Lotta Time shitting on New Jersey. Just because it's in the way but you know it's like it really isn't just this whole status in the way in the way you know. Just move over a little bit become Connecticut. Because we really don't need your right there hold on. Connecticut is also stay for me. Like I'm from Western Massachusetts Ryan. The Canada border and I can't stand connecticut. Okay I I was I lived in the backyard was half in Connecticut Half Massachusetts. Wow like it was like the tobacco farming part of Connecticut and nobody even knows exists right but connecticut if you're ever trying to drive through. Connecticut is going to take an extra hour because of the traffic cannot handle the infrastructure to get people to and from New York Yeah. The State is just not Connecticut New Jersey our two of my favorite States Connecticut and Jersey. You've been batted. Does what American Dad? You've been batted and so are fully. Admit my Jersey is arbitrary. And just because I'm a New Yorker now I have to hate on them and they think Taylor Ham is a good thing to have chow. I I was in New Jersey. Collegiate lives in New Jersey. I went to go see her and I was like. I AIN'T TRYING TO JERSEY. But we had a good time but shut off to them for doing it but I wanNA make sure that they're not just saying it and not putting work because white supremacy is a problem and I and I want them to treat white supremacy. The way they tried to treat the Black Panthers understand the Black Panthers was an organization that they kept trying to deem as a racist terrorist group but the Black Panthers were actually all going to organize to help black people and be protected for black people because the police were not doing any protecting or policing for us so white supremacy this. Id idea that you know. It's tough to be white and all this other shit. They really need to address that. Because I've always said. Racism and white supremacy is definitely a mental disorder and it needs to be treated as such and these people need psychiatric evaluations. Because for you to take the time to hate anybody because it's something that they can't control means that you WanNa absolutely a narcissist and a psychopath and a sociopath when when did it become this idea that terrorism depends on your skin like if you're trying to cause terror terrorists it's like ever since nine eleven like no only. Brown people can be terrorists like no utter bullshit. There's this there's like this white dude that Guy Hotel window that overlooked this concert and he shot machine gun with that. Bump stock injured like five hundred people and then online. Everybody in the comments are like well. He didn't express a political motive so we can't call terrorists. There was no political manifesto. We didn't find a manifesto so we can't call. We can't classify it as a terrorist. Act Yet it was just a lone wolf that had a bad day. White Kids Suitable. School has a manifesto. It's not terrorism. It's just about right and the no show them with the Maga- hats and they're in their photos and all this stuff and there's no connection there's absolutely no connection Lincoln that they can't make connection to the tastic threats. If you think that killing a bunch of people is a good idea to get your point across you're a terrorist if you think that harming other people to get your point across right is the way to go you're a terrorist radical ideology. And you go fuck yourself. Therein lies the political motive in in the act itself. Too much sympathy across the board When white people do stuff versus when people do things because again and I'm referencing this next week on the podcast that we did before this. This week's watching millions and it's all about the McDonald's monopoly scheme and you kind of get into the basis of who what where why and even as they are actively trying to prosecute and can get these people they're still giving it the white gloss over you know who can say we've all done this like but as soon as they give you the black woman she was just meet like she was mean and she such criminal they bring the black guy in the black -tective on it. He doesn't talk into the first time you really hear him is when he goes into the black woman and talking about what a criminal mastermind. She was criminal mastermind. The woman was being led and only reason why they're black woman. I don't know I've finished. She went to jail or not. But I'll tell you the only reason why she's out in the street right now if she is not going to jail is because it would have looked crazy to put her in jail and then get everybody else off. Scot free and I've always said this because of the racism the habits in America to undermine itself so you want to know why there's white guys running around killing people and under all in the name of white supremacy because you told to make good you told them they were above reproach because we keep telling them it's not terrorism and then no next topic. I could not have said it better as the name. The episode you keep telling not terrorism. Okay now this is a kind of a local borough story. The mid Staten Island. A name is Madison Lancelot. Ah Three years old. She recently Around the day of the Saint Patrick's Day parade the borough parade in in Long Island. She came out as bisexual so what was coming out as bisexual for I guess to ask. No but the timing was it was around this parade so I guess to to create the conversation. She wasn't example of somebody multi sex or write different set especially now that she's and then insert the parade organizer. How twenty-three okay. Yes you know. And then the parade organizer banned her from participating. Why because she came out I mean there was no so he he he alerted the The pageant pageant people and said Yeah you're persons not gonNA. She's not going to participate in this parade and the quote from Madison. The twenty three year. Old Miss Oh I miss. Staten Island is that it's really hurtful. Nobody feels low likes to feel rejected from their community. Listen Port Richmond. Titan Ville high school bands bands banned from Marching Saint Patrick's Day parade due to pride symbols. Staten Island New York to high school. Bands were literally band. That's correct band bands from performing in the Saint Patrick's parade due to lgbtq symbols on their uniforms and instruments. You know you gotta you gotTa you gotTa Saint Patrick's Day parade did Saint Patrick say anything. Because homosexuality was not just invented right people being sucking men have been sucking other Ms Dixon. Women looking on carpets. Since the beginning of time maybe except for the Enemy Eve. 'cause they didn't have those kind of options but you know because it was at the two of them and they wouldn't fuck you know at some point somebody had to double. Danner fucked they system but I mean that's a bigger problem to me if you fucking your sister then if whether you fucking your sister your brother it seemed like just effect if you've gotta fuck one of your siblings. You know what I'm saying like we got time to be dicing whether it was Dick Jonah. I love the fact that her name her last name is in Salata. Her is literally the salad is her last name. I just really liked that fact. It's and she talks in them. That's why I get paid the big bucks. That's a professional comedian right there. What about these black people that were standing up and turned their back on Mayor Bloomberg? Are we still calling me on mayor mayor the the so much church? He spoke in that they silently stood up and turned their backs as it was by a by the book show of nonviolent protesting or non violent political action which is which is what all these movements are about. What I want to know is how did the people that was sitting behind the people that's right state of me protests on the side? Now you're staying with your backs on the side. First of all I would've totally probably been there with my back turned to because I'm a stick together with my church and I'm gonNA stick together people whether I agree or not if we also we turn and backs we turn back because we don't stick together enough as black people that's our problem but low key low T. says the pro. You better get the fuck away in front of me bitch. I'm trying to see Bloomberg teeth. Only teeth in the billionaire club where you can make buddy toast on both sides. Now I want me a A beef patty just thinking about his teeth. Give me a beef patty and some chicken when I go home. What else was also. Let's keep going. Okay okay so British comedian Joe. Licet recently changed his name to Hugo boss. In response to the clothing company. Hugo boss suing a lot of small businesses that use the Word Boston. Their name or sending cease and desist letter and basically doing these uncatchable unconscionable lawsuits that are thousands of dollars. They're made essentially to bankrupt. And so this guy changes name to Hugo boss essentially allowing you know businesses to use his new name instead of instead Hugo boss making moot any of these lawsuits were they bake. Does he have to change his name to Hugo boss because he could just add Boston's name right. 'cause boss is the word that they are contesting right right and it's just more of like this was the publicity stunt to obviously Blissett. He's just like the little dwarf boy with that. That was that was the publicity stunt. Don't give me the what you're talking about a little boy to see what's GonNa Commit Suicide Mama through the camera up in his face. He's a he's a my you got last week and I could not figure out whether or not this was a hoax. Let me tell you something about the little dwarf boy. Okay get back to the boss Bitch and the second. If your address something stinks in this situation to me and I know I know Brad Williams win did something because and brand good dude you know and I understand he got emotional about it and I'm not I don't want to take away from Brad and how he felt and this is not me trying to tear down. Nick Dwarf Niggers and Shit like that. What what it is is something. Don't smell right with this particular situation because if my child is even the way kid looking at the camera don't look right. It's almost like he's been rehearsed you know. He's crying but it's like your kids saying if my kid is telling me they want to commit suicide because of how they're being treated the last thing I want to do is put a camera in my kids face at their most vulnerable moment and not become a proactive parent. 'cause 'cause to me I would. I would have done a video like that but I would`ve. Maybe you spoil the child quick because I would have just did it as a parent and would have said my piece like kid. You know he got dwarfism. You Got Niggers out here talking about this now my kids I would maybe as a parent I could understand. That is a parent. Put they face out there but to exploit this kid who's supposed to be emotional and upset and suicidal and then you're going to throw him in a video and then all of a sudden now it's like fund 'cause like no matter how much money you give him he not GonNa not be dwarf. I don't care how many trips McDonald's he takes and how many cruises he gets on. How many caused by him. And I'm not trying to say I understand saying that people who did it that they're bad people what I'm saying is we have to identify the problem. Which is this kid being teased for being a dwarf so now we have to get him to appreciate and respect who he is. He ate the only motherfucking dwarf in a world of to get a way. Stop because you know what it is. I'm not laughing the dwarfs. I'm not laughing at the dwarfs is the absurdity of the conversation absurdity of the CON is like people have groups for all kinds of shit they wanna get into now people have groups for dwarfism people have avon groups with business. This'll be Silla Avon. We shit people got girl scout cookies. Ub Girl Scout. It's just too much shares club. Even they got the bearded Guy Club. Guys were both of. Y'All could get 'cause business hot now like there's all kinds a shit people who don't you know gluten free Vegan groups people missing one arm and one leg. The I need braces group the people that like Donald Trump or the people who the women have Donald Trump's dig rehab group. There's too many groups are here. Forget him in a dwarf grow waking me other little dwarf is no way for me. I'm not laughing at the nigger. Being Dwarf. What is just is so crazy to say dwarf niggers but get him in a group they have like heater only dwarf within a couple miles away. He said get him around. People that can relate big bitches get together all the time and have fat girl and there's clubs that I go to go to big girl night where I'm the skinniest big bitch and wrong because if which is seven thousand pounds a piece I'm Tara banks are getting motherfucking group. Sit Him somewhere. Where other dwarf kids other kids that have problems too so they can be loving and hugging up on each other. That's why you've seen that movie. Michael was Monica and David. The two people that got down central. They get married. They fell in love. And this bitch got him. You have a down Syndrome hotel to date him and I said no I. Can't I gotta put a Damn Tranquilizer Dart in a niggers mic to get a Nigga? Slow down and take me out and this bitch. Would this down syndrome chick gut niggers up to as they got the the wish show? Tlc Show would. The girl would would Down's syndrome and she'd be putting a little person makeup retail. No Mom I wanNa let you stuck accurate like these pigs. Stop victimizing these people. They can be strong shit. My Aunt my grandmother had German measles when she was carrying aunt. My aunt is special. Needs we you know. We have to protect her because she's she's needs to be protected at all times because of disabilities but with J. Jeff you beautiful. Greg puts your hair J. A little hair done nails shit. Jenny was Flos look like Michael Jackson. So she's doing excellent person they should 'cause. I swear I'm telling you the truth about art usually like Michael J. Because she had Jerry Crow and everything before he got burnt Pepsi Commercial. He was still dark skin as she used to go out with a little gloves she'd want a couple of little mall contest. Who like Michael Jackson? Only one time. She got beat up by White Kid. But that's what Mike Turn White. You let fuckers. Get out there and get into the. There's another thing is called snail planet or planet of snails or something like that. The woman got Spina Bifida or some kind of shift. She's crowed over like a cheese curl and she. She walks with a hop and a lump in this like when she bendel she can only see feet. Enough in is the same time. She got a huge hop as she married to this Nigga who blind deaf and motherfucking mute. They can't even speak to each other. They gotTA TAP OTHERS. They speak through the fingers like He. He taps her fingers and Shit. You found it that's it. That's the way they honest couple you ever seen. She got some spinal shit he blonde and motherfucking deaf and mute had a fuck a Nigga s blind death immune even found a bitch is a mother fucking miracle he can't even at all he can do a feel and she was fucking before him. Yes you don't have a tool so assumption inevitably screenwriter. Isn't it out here? That kids see and can write a script like this nick as a screenwriter. He came see a nothing probably came even motherfucking tastes. And you are here hustling this. Little Boy Dwarf Dwarfism like he's some motherfucking. Rip Them get you. He GonNa stay victim or he going to learn that he can only be proud of himself. Depend on how much money he can get whipped in. It was called planning snails right. Go Watch plenty of snail. They took it down off a Netflix. I tell you I watched this movie and I cried like a baby. I was in a fetal position for like a day and a half every time I thought about him abroad. Not My eyes. They motherfucking loved bitch and got a tour so she got Spina Bifida on top of some other Shit. She crumpled up like a piece of paper. Somebody crumbled up and then they opened it back up the bids like Zala phone as she would this negative. Casey ain't got no eyeballs is no NUTCA- enough then found each other. Stop victimising Nichols. They can't fucking Shit in they can get it in. You keep telling me Nichols they handicapping. Ain't nothing wrong with them. Guess what not every motherfucker is born whole bit. I'll be watching these videos. When the baby can hear their mother voice for the first time I cry like a Newborn Baby Shipley touch touched my spirit or the kids sees every time they hold a little baby in a bit you can tell. The baby have heard nothing in natty little here in the baby and the baby his mother's voice and get so happy because whatever the vibration they feel they mother now hearing it. I'm sick of people. Trauma Act like. Oh also handicapped and I'm not trying to act like you know I'm going to act like people not having a problem because it's tough to be handicapped. It's tough I do a joke about it. Million The wheelchair get on the bus and people in the wheelchair hit me up. How could you and I feel for them? I get it right. I'm I'm making light of some shit that I don't have to go through and I pray to God. I don't have the experience that but I'm I'm not doing that. No malicious intent is just I be saying shit about everybody but I feel. Nick is when they say that it can't be easy but also I'm talking about a Nigga wheelchair. There's also moving his feet so I don't even know if he needs to be in their wheelchair. 'cause how to fuck you move your feet if you're in a wheelchair how you walking in a wheelchair seemed like you need to slow down. Wheelchairs shutdown. Seemed like you might just be lazy because if that's the case somebody bring me a wheelchair over here. 'cause I walk with my feet in the Dan wheelchair that's La's fat shit to me? Stop Victimizing People. Stop being a person of color and every time a white person. Oh 'cause I'm you know Fuck Them. Fuck them you'll he is eating cracker. That's what you need to be telling these racist ASS niggers so I call you a nigger a he haw eating cracker and what about it sitting here and then somebody fucking run you down into the ground all the time? Everybody's got a mother fucking victim and that's why the shit the world going back to where it is with the nonsense because now everybody got to over correct. Well I don't want nobody calling me this. I don't want nobody seeing me. I don't want nobody's saying that. I went to the APP store before went to the bathroom at the airport. So a little baby there all my God. She's so cute. I don't even like fucking talking. The baby's their parents them but the baby was just smile and she has such a smile on her face. I saw. She's okay. Hi We don't say she but you also got the little girl. She was ball hitting so I didn't know that she was a girl. Other than the fact you gotta wintertime shade of Pink snowsuit on pigs scarf and little pink earrings up so bitches. She Ain't a girl. Will you try to raise a gay man? 'cause you already game and she a girl because she's sucking Dick Dick all. Please give a couple years there. Girls get started seeing need much time. I learned some of my best head game from white bitches. They they know how to dislocate the day tonsils and move them around one time I understand. Why black men and be like you wait. Whoa they get practicing early because black girls have different sensibilities. There's not that we don't get out there and it's not some wild fast ones but for the most part we spin called whores and all kinds of shifts so much a black girls get turned off from that everybody act so easy we saw lose half of us grow up with copy you know grow up with the church being reserved shit like that but in terms of this negative call themselves Hugo boss. Just call yourselves boss and Shamo Hugo boss for trying to stop you. Try and stop the boss King from niggers this be doing too much. I understand why beyond saying Jay Z. Decided TO TRY TO COPYRIGHT BLUE. Ivy's 'cause everybody will come out with Shit Blue. Avi You got blobby. We got some shit but Hugo boss still. Nobody's thinking Hugo boss when he to wear boss. You know what was boss before Hugo boss people were calling their employers boss before. Hugo boss was invented. You don't own the Word Ball's not to not dimension. Hugo boss is notorious for making the Nazi s uniforms during World War Two. So that's how they're known next story. All right. Investigation revealed that children as young as eight years old. Were picking coffee. Beans for companies like starbucks espresso in these Guatemalan farms. Now their daily wages were very minimal. To put in perspective is slightly more than the price of one day for days wages for a day's wage and they showed the the the documentary shows that them working in grueling conditions and moving heavy objects. How is it the price of a lot about three dollars thousand Woodham kids? They get three dollars a day. I usually get it. Allow the week ten out of up to ten dollars a week followed by the time. I was a teen twenty a week. But it's like well we bought it. You know so you had to work forty hours a week to get it. No big deal from presumably. The wages are all sort of lower. The cost of living is lower there but the whole child labor thing isn't a good look. Let me tell you something. I'm a thousand percent tease in because I I got I got again. My career isn't isn't it isn't a tubes okay so I can't. I can't talk again starbucks. That's why when they was telling him nigger they can use the bathroom. I was like well. You know I guess you can't use bathroom because my career not abs but what I will tell you this if you thought they could produce as much coffee as they produce on a day to day basis starbucks everywhere they are starbucks is next to other starbucks. Is there's a starbucks inside of a starbucks? Okay so you didn't think children had to get involved to keep the production value of starbucks up you are wrong and then for an espresso. What do you think they're doing like Nestle? Eva Company to begin with their pure evil again Visit my opinion. Not Young. My brand you know. Listen if I found out today to scooping embryos out of bitches and making them work before they were even born. I'd have to go okay. I just had to turn the other way as Taking the water out of the ground table for communities and then selling it back to them Packaged copywriting water. Kind of the CEO has gone on record saying he doesn't believe water is a basic human right right. He's saying that people have to pay for all the water they drink but they also sell them water. So what are you? This is what I'm saying like see what happens here. Let let let me get this clear. Clearly what happens is somebody that's benefiting from. Something is then trying to convince you that you need to purchase the thing they benefit from financially so that they can continue to get money except like with. Nestle. It actually comes down to it. They'll go into a region like a desert country or they're going into Michigan where the people can't get water because Flint Michigan taking the actual clean water away from them the water taking their clean groundwater and selling it back at an inflated price subsidized by the government. I understand all of that. Yeah I'm glad you said it for the listeners. I understand all of that what. I'm fook all EVATT. Because you see what? We're trying to keep connecting humanity the humanity and how absurd it is but there are people you think everybody wants everybody to live. You think these people like these billionaires and the billions and these they don't give a fuck about the penny ante niggers and the people down here. They just need enough of us to be around so that they can continue to make money but they're not about keeping everybody alive so sure to them. We want to get to a point in this world where you want to pay to stay alive otherwise. You wouldn't be jacking up the insulin just to profit off sick people you want to pay to stay alive. You had to pay stay healthy. You want to pay the e- You ought to pay for house and you have to pay for all these things. These people have enough money. Their family their families family generational wealth. They will always be in a position where they have. It is hard for people to be in a position where they have billions not to have anything unless they go to a roulette table. One day and said I put my whole fortune down on this and they lose. There's not many Warren Buffett's out out there doing and and even the shit he I'm still looking at what the side I like. You just hate your family. That's why you don't want them because they have nothing but let's be very very clear. It's the same way I keep telling people about how come everything is happening. And people of color so violent. But we're supposed to respond with peace. How we'RE GONNA work. So when I tell you that this Nestle Nigga thats running his mouth about. He don't think people should have free water. Dead Nigga motherfucking believes that his spirit. You're not gonNA convince him otherwise and telling me is not going to work. I don't own the Nestle watership. He owns it and the government supported allows him to do the shit so talking to each other and during this round circle of like this is not worth as it is in changing politics and our politicians. But how you going to do that? Because every time we get somebody that's good and politics they go in and they realize they not going to affect the change by themselves and they become a part of a problem and they start to say well. I'm only doing this doing that. So I can get this done and so always see people bothering and making money. The fact that are being lobbyists as even a thing is gross. Notice agreement here I mean but I mean when it comes down to like peaceful protesting. The idea isn't to convince people the top is to get enough people on your side that they have to listen is to get people fighting for the same right but fighting for what I'm saying to you is when Congress says slavery was a choice right and everybody got up. Roy and I did too because I said that's fucked up. What he said part of what he said wasn't even wrong because we sat there. Sure we will be murdered and be and and trust me. I know a lot of slaves died off from saying fuck that but I don't give a fuck if it had to be every last single one of us saying fuck that we could not have all fought a loss like that. The native Americans they fought is five or six of them around. I mean they were outnumbered from the beginning as part of their problem. True but a lot of them fought and died. A lot of them said I'd rather have the death in the living this shit. So are we all going to? This is a conversation needs to be had. Are we all going to collectively sit and throw trust me? I'm at the point where I'm like. Yo I've been on my soapbox for so long fighting a good cause I don't like injustice. I don't like racism or inequality. I don't like any of that as much as I talk about. White bitches and they nonsense. I don't even like to see women be victimized so there's a part of me that even white women I'm like as a woman I feel which you I mean. Why why do you think so much? Effort and energy is put into putting down unions putting down. Anything that is people coming together is because the only thing that can stop people at the top and take power back is people unionizing. Instagram is like a collective of people's where the power is. And if you keep people apart right but what I'm saying is yes. That's one hundred percent true but once they start to see people come together. The murder and mayhem will begin. Do you understand because when they separated us because number forget when Jews I got here they were in the ghettos. Were blacks same thing as the Italians Jewish term. A okay right. That's that's just. I'm more than happy to let you have but you understand what I'm saying like we were all living together. The Irish the Talian 's Jewish black. We were all living together. They couldn't stand the Irish. Couldn't stand dumb. Let all of a sudden. Oh they white let. Let's bring them. Let them come along for us to blend in. Yeah Dan with the Italians okay. Let's bring them easy for them to come along and then with Jewish people as well but guess what all of those people who came over they now hate black people who are left standing because we can't assimilate to nothing. We can't pretend to be. There was even people that were doing that back in the day when they were passing for trying to pass for white. It's like you've been kicked him on a rainy day. 'cause they Kinga so like at the end of the day I we can talk all this shit. We WanNA talk. Nobody is going to fight assistant that you cannot fight. You can not fight it because you can't get people together to fight. Look we have one of the most racist presidents outwardly. So we've ever as the president and the bears outwardly racist. I don't even believe Donald Trump believes. Have if you want to convince me. Donald Trump eight no black pussy. You have to try hard. He's not this Nigga. He keeps trying to convince everybody that he is hold on eating pussy implies that he cares about a woman having an orgasm I don't think anyone misleading with him ever came. I mean you know every you know. And that's solid facts. That's solid facts. But he definitely put on a bid and got to work and what I'm saying is he's appeasing and appealing to the sensibility of the people that he needs the votes from. I don't necessarily believe I think a part of him probably has some ignorance and some self entitlement from being a white male but some of it is like he just pushing rhetoric because you remember like we they keep forgetting. He ran as a Democrat. Then he ran as an independent and then he found his way over to the Republican side where they will allow White Man. Who's run a business? Run the country even though he hasn't even properly one businesses correctly. He's not an ideologue at all. He is just where people are. People are boosting his ego. That's it he is. I mean he he. His racism goes way back though. Like he's always GonNa Racist. Let me tell you what. Because he is a white male in an environment of wealth. He can be a racist without being a racist. You understand like that kind of comes the territory. But I'm telling you just as bad as he may feel or treat black people or people of Color. He also feels that same way about poor whites. You understand totally it's totally. He doesn't like poverty in general. You'll never ride. The bus will never be on a subway. Demand partied with P. DIDDY. He named his son. Barron like honey. Let's talk about that kid. 'cause 'cause when we get to talking about that kid we have to really start. All I'm saying is instead of worrying about a fight and fighting. I think we should worry about getting along together right and damn this system that the system is going to be whatever it is but in two you get people to stop fighting against race and all this other you know. How are we going to do it when people like people at the top? Want TO STIR UP. Racism Stirrup Division. Because like when we if you realize the fundamental differences class then you can all stand together against them like the like the only reason. The Republican Party is to is racist at. Its core is because if if racism terrorists the lower classes apart then they won't stand UP AGAINST WEALTH INEQUALITY LEASING. Johnson been here today with Matt Matt. Wiese Right Weiss Weiss keep wanting to say we saw Matt Weiss and Love Adua Really. It's I've been saying Agarwal because it was easier for white people while. Okay thanks I appreciate it Agarwal. We Talk Matt Halloween together. And I'm still and I said this day. We Weiss Weiss correct use twice and I being I'm gonNA CASSANDRA's and we're not gonNA create no roundhouse here that's GonNa end anything but if you could take anything away from this episode. I would ask you to take away. Love one another all fucking white but I even love these white bitches get on my nerves. Love everybody hug if you can touch somebody. It changes the effect and the point that I was making was. There's no. Violence begets violence but understanding. No that love can conquer all and I'm not asking you to be week. I'm not asking you to turn the cheek and and all this. I'm just saying whenever you take energy. You give some love to bad energy. You might just be surprised what you get back so we WANNA make this world a better place and we WANNA start chain to some of the things that are happening here has to first start with us being collective and that means across gender lines racial lines and religious lines we have to come back to humanity. We have to come back to each other You can check me out this week at a chuckles. Comedy House in Cordova Tennessee. I'll be there the twelfth thirteenth fourteenth and fifteenth. Then you can check me out of South West by South by southwest sixteenth seventeenth possibly eighteenth. I'll be at skink fest in Houston Texas Twenty Seven. Twenty eight twenty ninth. You can check me out of the funny bone in Virginia Beach Virginia. The second third fourth and Fifth Easter weekend I will be at the Improv in Orlando Florida Florida the tenth and eleventh and you can catch me at the comedy law in Washington. Dc The twenty fourth and twenty fifth. 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Ep.41- Joe Gregory, GM Norfolk Tides

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Ep.41- Joe Gregory, GM Norfolk Tides

"Homes in hops is proudly supported by Platin- insurance, your local independent insurance agency offering auto home life business, and farm insurance. They also have a team of specialists that help you with insuring your brewery or winery platinum Sheri- Helping you protect your tomorrow for more information or quote please call them at three, zero, eight, five, six, six, two, four, four or visit them on the web at Platinum Durance dot com. Hello Everyone Lisa Resnick And hops I am sitting here at the studio with Joe. Gregory Hey thanks for having me. Hey, for for those out. There are thinking well, who is this Joe Gregory? Joe Gregory's actually someone who I went to school with. The entire duration of my education, right? Pretty much I mean he may be a great below. Graduated Mooney ninety-seven and. Charles that from garden so his mom was music. My Dad at Mooney south right and my sisters to natural older than me. So kind of in between both of us that's right and then and then from there you went you. What was your major? Why issue I ended up with the marketing management with? Minor Nikon of course now but. I intern at the PGA every summer. So always wanted to try to get in that sports field. Oh, I had no idea that's pretty cool to get connected with that. My older brother he worked there out of college. So I started when I was fifteen nice in. started when taking out the garbage and putting up. And things like that and then. Every summer more and more responsibility by the time I graduated college. They offered me a full time job. So that's how I got. Into, my sports track. There you go. So we are sitting here drinking some script head from bird fish. This is your first bird fish beer. It is. Yeah. I usually come back in town at Christmas and Jus just for a couple of days in my me up here visits me down there. So I haven't had a lot of opportunity in. I'm still a big Gum Great Lakes Fan and grew up in Great Lakes. So stout, they do they're the blackout stout and then another stout Just either Christmas. that. I've got a bunch of that back back in Virginia. GotTa. Yeah. The local stuff I had the penguin city but I I haven't had this one yet. This will be the first time and England city now has a pink win city light, which is definitely become one of my favorite Bertha's well, this is really good though. Eight point nine. So now lives in Richmond Virginia. Virginia Beach Virginia Yeah I, work in Norfolk, my teams in Norfolk. Live in Virginia Beach, spend a bunch of time in Richmond I. Love. Richmond if there wasn't a beach in Virginia I'd I'd be in Richmond all the time the food drink seen in Richmond awesome. Golf courses are really fun too but. I was in Richmond A couple of weeks ago. But yeah, it's an easy commute straight down sixty four. So I'm back and forth between Richmond Virginia. Beach Norfolk all the time and what's the team? I'm. You have I'm general manager of the. Norfolk tides where the AAA affiliate for the Baltimore Orioles. So one level major. League Then the team in Richmond, the squirrels, their AA and my buddy Parni is jammed. They're there with the San Francisco giants but she were one level up from Richmond one level below Baltimore and. NABBING GM there. This would have been mind ninth season and how you end up there because I know at one point in time you were actually with the scrappers now I started with the PGA, the tournament in town Yep it was a giant Eagle. Oh. Pj Classic, and then I went to the scrappers spent two plus years there. And then there is a minor league hockey team came to town here the young steel hounds and I was the became GM in their first season. Did that for a few seasons and then there's an American Hockey League team in Norfolk that recruited me to be the GM there. So I went down there in two, thousand eight and after three seasons of do in hockey. The baseball team asked me to be the their jam and the baseball team actually owned the hockey teams. That's house. Okay. So I did both for five years I was Jima both teams, and then after that been the last three years or so that solely been focused on the baseball team. So what does it? What does a general manager? What is that occupation all entail? It's mostly running the business, the sport. I don't have any. So with WHO's playing who starting who he signed. At this level and in baseball especially, that's all done by the major league team. So the GM of the Baltimore Orioles is you know determining what's happening on the field. My responsibilities are more overseeing ticket sales food beverage. Overseeing the bookkeeping, the box office all the marketing efforts the merchandise operation. and. Then I'm on the board of Directors or governors of the League Elsa then we vote on rule changes and. The, scheduling in. Charge of the travel, all the logistical side of things. So everything but what happens on the field so I heard this and please correct me if I'm wrong because I am not your big sports screw guru by I'm but just being attuned to the community and impacts to the community I. Know What? The minor, League teams they were discussing reducing the number of teams out there. Is The scrappers on that list. Do you know to and do you have any scrappers were on that list? Okay. But that listen had only been released once and wasn't supposed to be released to begin with. Now. They say that lists changed and since that list came out Cova came out and you know. The world's a different place since that that came out see what happened made. The roles I know part of my job is lobbying Congress so. We've been trying to get. Congress, on our side, you know to help us with the negotiations of the new CBA with Major League baseball so. For our reps Bobby Scott or lane lauria or There's pretty much five that I've been calling on and then their state senators. So we've been working on that project even though we're not on that list. It's all you know there's one hundred, sixty teams in minor league baseball. We're all trying to work together because though I'm not on the list today doesn't mean I won't be on the list tomorrow yes So we're working and you know I worked with scrappers love the scrappers, the general manager there I was in his wedding I want the scrappers to be here for a long time. So. Hopefully, they are in. You know like I said that that list is going to be different than whenever it was published the first time. So hopefully, you know they're still baseball niles north while hopefully, they also decide not to make determination because of covid. What they base their numbers on I'm assuming it's revenue. At a lot of it is. Major League baseball there's been some thinking out there fires they don't need as many. Players in the system as they used to do you used to have okay That you know with video in you know the development process changed for players they don't need as many guys. Playing against other guys, they could just have guys in Spring Training Brigham down on video. do more the analytical side of things as opposed to watching them play. Now not everything thinks that but if you reduce him on a players you have. Then you don't need as many teams because there's not as many guys to play for those things. So it's Nothing frankly against Moaning Valley I think more were they it messed up is. They start looking at facilities. Okay and I I like Eastwood Field. Yet, these would feel. State University I don't know if they still do. But when I went to why issue they would play at scrappers. Yeah. They played there for sure. The field itself is great but like the clubhouse isn't as big as our clubhouse. The workout facilities aren't as big and a lot of it is. Player amenities you know what? The players environment is when they're not playing. Not that it's bad by any means at least would feel just not as big maybe as some other places. Even, with us, we're triple A. Ballpark, but you know we have improvements widening to do as well. Of course, Oh, that's constant. Yeah. Especially in buildings and building improvements and everything in it's a constant updates. As soon as you're done updating one section, you have another area and the by the time you're done finalizing everything. Then you circle back over today original percent. Ballpark was built in ninety three. In. The standards in one thousand, nine, hundred, different. We were the greatest Minor League stadium when it was built on on the first throwback retro stadiums when all sorts of awards. But you know nine, hundred, ninety, three to twenty, twenty, a lot of change and same thing with Eastwood Field. Nine thousand, nine, hundred, nine, I think it open. To. Today requirements are different now yeah he's great. There's plenty of teams playing more difficult situations but Now, it's just going to be a numbers game and. I think I'm pretty sure eastern field is already dedicated money to doing renovations and additions like. the team in Erie was on that list, and they already had like twenty million dollars in improvements lined up for now. So, there as far as I know before covert at least they were doing those improvements. So The landscape couldn't be different whenever we get through this. So who knows I mean, I, hope all one, hundred, sixty get through. Yes we'll see how that goes but. I mean there's no reason there be baseball in Niles well, it's eh because it's such a it would impact the community tremendously and it it is interesting. On the higher level, it's not that they don't necessarily see the connectivity or understand baseball the a birkin traditional permission I mean and it's beyond just the players. It's the people that come see the players it's I mean it's all the nostalgia drive that you can want in any game that you see and their connection with the community I think having the scrappers and Niles and so locally based to the Mahoney. Is. Such an added Amenity to our community. They would hate to see that that disappear and then they do so much in fundraising efforts local charities. Little League organizations you know, and then you know the families that can't afford to go to know the Indians game pirates game that. You know for what a ticket and? Soda Popcorn costs at. Oh. Yes. No extraordinary. Exactly. and. That's where you see players for the first time like for instance, golden door who's All Star for Cleveland. You know kids saw him up close and in person it eastwood field. So that got them to become a fan of Francisco Door Yossi sees about the or whoever it was when they came through owning valley. I think there's a a a actually, it might be the tides that plays for the Indians. Now there it's either it's either the scrappers are the ties but my youngest son has a favorite player that was at either of those teams that's currently playing for the Indians I mean a lot of players came through Montreal that's on Cleveland on Jose, Ramirez to many camp I mean. So. Yeah. The possibility journalist I remember when I was working for the scrappers Victor, Martinez was playing for the Indians. In a he came through Moaning Valley and when a lot of those guys especially that lower level ball, they stay with host families because they can't afford to athletes on their own. So very contrived. Yeah. Like nobis. But it's greatly because Victor Iraq. How would that be for our voice? Oh Now. I know people that do it year after year and you build some great relationships and Victor Martinez, went to Cleveland became an star all star with the Tigers anytime like when he'd come back play against the Indians. As Tiger he had the host family that he stayed with however many years ago come up and you know he'd sign autographs and A lot of relationships are built at that lower level ball that. Last a lifetime that it'd be shamed. Miss that opportunity if there wasn't a team there anymore I one, hundred percent. I'm not sure I would know what they would do. With, that stadium there's options perhaps with independent baller. said. Why shoe or that's true. But it would never be the same without having especially that Cleveland Indians affiliation with so many Indians fans here Even, if you found something go in there, it would never be as good as what is in the right now. So everybody get out as soon as we can. That is after Kovic is finally over definitely get out there and support the scrappers I mean that's the biggest thing we have to make sure that we're utilizing this great amenity that we have. Not Tell your officials tell and I know Congressman Ryan is a signed onto the bill that. Is going through Congress but talk to your state senators or state wraps that even if you don't live in Moaning Valley, there's you know forty teams that were on that list. And no it any support in all support it's going to be needed to make sure that those forty teams play ball next year gap I agree completely with you. So how long have you been in an Norfolk? Virginia Beach. I moved in July of two thousand eight. So just over twelve years now and how many how many? How have you seen the brewery seen grow their It's it's amazing how it's blown up and everyone kept saying analogue the bubble's GONNA. Burst and. then. Ten more open up Yeah. Now, we've got a great scene in Norfolk Virginia Beach Norfolk Virginia return next to each other And between Norfolk, Virginia Beach and Chesapeake there the three biggest cities in Virginia. So it's a huge population big military town. The center of the Atlantic Fleet is there It's a cool vibe. Intermingling. Can Cross cut of society but? When I got there. There wasn't a huge seen you in two, thousand and eight. It was just kind of growing there is. legend I think was the the almost originally grandfather crappier in Virginia of Richmond. Brighter on the time I got there O'Connor kind of came onto the scene. And I think Kevin O'Connor mud Internet legend maybe Internet A. Local brewery might maybe some Georgia but anyway. Wow. Kevin Created O'Connor and O'connor I believe. Is definitely the biggest in the Hampton Roads Area Virginia. No Devil's backbone was a big one before he got bought out. That recently just happen. I feel like it's been like two years or so. Out That's recent for me. Yeah. Backbone is awesome. Joy stuff we had on TAP. But Kevin. Created O'Connor brewing they. Got Big move to a second location or location the close the first location I was in there that think tank society you know Kinda like a MVP or VIP clubs I was in that for a while. Back with the hockey team. So this would have been. Nine. Ten, is prob probably. I got them to make a beer chest for our hockey team. It was called hop trick instead of hat trick, and there's three different hops that they used for that. And it was only available is a red Ip We did at our hockey games and then once it became Jim baseball team. WORKED WITH KEVIN FOR? Walk off coach because we figured for. Beard for baseball you want a lighter beer. You know when it's a hundred degrees in July, a hundred percent coal she's going to be a lot better. Yeah. So we did walk off there and walk off still around It's been tweet. As far as how it's presented and packages you know. We had cans where they put their our whole home schedule on there and so good for us to get out in the area where it wasn't just on tap at our games. But you'll people throughout Virginia could buy it as a good marketing. These horses well, I. Love The idea that you put the schedule on it. They great We got a little blurb out the team, but then the schedule and. This year they were doing it in variety packs that were going into total lines like some big stores and they're actually putting her schedule outside the box because there was like one of each of the twelve different beers. Is We don't have a total wine around you know. Pretty Great. Great for for those that don't know it is like the Mecca of wine and beer I mean it it's it's Sam's Club. But straight up all night in some cities liquor to like. I know in South Carolina in. Vegas. Depending on the market known Virginia Beach Virginia No. There was no liquor. Like today I've been bourbon hunting up here. Does it so hard to find good Bourbon in Virginia. Yes. So I have a suitcase that'll be full of nothing but bourbon going back to Jannah. That's awesome. There's actually really great on place that makes Bourbon up in Geneva. And they're connected to the winery I can't believe the wineries name is escaping me, but it's it's it's a Red Barn. And they do they make really good bourbon ruined I mean every time I go there even when I lived in Virginia I made sure that when we did the wind tour that we made a pit stop there so I can bring my husband back some of the urban that they have and he even when we were up there just a couple of weekends ago like we just need to stop there so I can grab as you could only get at their no and Not to list I WANNA say it's Red Flag Bourbon I am not abor. Or. Scotch drinker or really anything will beer obviously and wine are pretty much my go-to every once in a while I'll dabble in the vodka but pretty much just stick with the other two. I moved more into the lake, your side to China. Don All the CARBS I was digging in. It's tough because we do as good local breweries and I'm a stout guy and oh So that's going to be on the higher caloric intake. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't drink them nearly as often as I used to and as hot as it is in Virginia. Beach in the summers, it's not always stout weather for. Drinking something heavy darken but. We do. We have a bunch of great local stoute's down there. Yeah. People here. Don't know humidity. It there. At all but how many how many times? How many breweries have you been able to go to while you're there? Have you hit them all up to you guys have like we have here a a tour like basically you hit up all the breweries you get stamp and then and then you get like a fanny pack or a pair of sunglasses or shirt from one of the breweries in. The USA tour I'd I haven't seen it in a while I I kind of stick to my core ones. There's two that I could ride my beach cruiser to. Go so they commonwealth you are like a beach guy now aren't you I lived. To tuneup blocks off the chesapeake. Bay, how so yeah I've got a beach cruiser that I can ride Commonwealth in ten minutes. and. There's another place called pleasure house, and they're actually built on pleasure house road So pleasure just moved there and it's across the street from where my dogs vet But Commonwealth is my favorite They actually make the best doubts as far as I'm concerned. But like I said the close to my house and then we're fortunate to have. O'Connor. And then smart mouth is kind of the second big one to come in after Commonwealth. And they have their original Norfolk location they opened up a pilothouse. At the Virginia Beach Oceanfront. And I'd say. You know after common after. Then, come smart mouth. Commonwealth no could be third I. Don't know but there's others I haven't been like there's one called big ugly and Chesapeake I haven't been to There's one Wasser Hunt. It's all dog themed Beers Oh. Cool. Yeah. That's in Virginia Beach. Amazing pizza like most of the Burris down there, all have food trucks because the way they be. Down there and You have to have so they're in order to have your beer brewery and sell beer or even a winery you have to have food accessible for people as well now but. If. It was your food in your kitchen. Then you have to like a sixty, forty percentage of. Sixty percents it'd be food or forty percents food but like they'd never be able to keep up with the food side for most places. Now, what Wasserman has amazing pizza though I think people go order pizza without getting their beer so they're able to make that work but yeah. They're by far the exception. And other big. When we have done is new round, the Atlanta based I think But there's a San Diego brewery green flash that opened up a legit night big Burrito Service East Coast. They did some. Poor financing decisions and the debt financed and lost the whole thing. Stinks the Aso Green Flash closed the new Rome came in and took that over. So as far as like capacity in square footage, they're the big dog but they're not originally from the area but. Now. We do have some great choices. For Beer enthusiasts and. It's a great place to live. Abby authen-. Now have you seen when because you've been there for a while and all those beer breweries have been popping up as you said to have, you seen any difference in the community, the housing their footprint, becoming bigger and bigger individually as individual brewers and their impact to their communities. Kinda like Great Lakes of us as you've seen their I o Connor I. Think it was one that is definitely a big community player as far as. Like they make another coal is to make money or raise money for a sustained sustainable seafood in You know just they've got wow they've. Community focused events. They're they're Kevin improperly very much into preservation everything because of their proximity to the bag. Yeah. They do in called the Otis Connor Dry Irish stout as what stands for. but they are the two different sides. Otis's the dry Irish bold man is their choice to stout. Okay. Someone once said, whoever was the first man to try? It was a bold, MATT Yeah and we thank him. And it's all made with the The do locally farm oysters forget the how they do it. I'm sure people listening this. No more about it than I do. But I believe that goes back to help sustainable oyster farming in I don't know that the Lynn Haven or the James. But. You're just Chesapeake Bay region in general but they do a lot. You know on the environmental side of things as well. you know whether it's Sustainable seafood whether it's the you know clean water in the Chesapeake they're definitely that level and they've gotten to the point where they're available outside of the state. You know they're not just Hampton roads. I, I know the in West Virginia I don't I don't think they're in Ohio yet but you know there. Can make that plan. I've I've talked to him about it as well as at said to our local beer distributors get great. Lakes. Down in. Virginia Beach. But O'Connor's. Hell Kuopio I is amazing. It's. It's an Gabay. API. ooh I haven't checked lately but. I believe it was like. The one distributor, it was like the most popular beer behind bud light might not just most popular crappier like the the number one PA could be on a chance to have an auto deers over favorite. That's just amazing to see how much. Are Pallets have expanded when it comes to be a VAT it's the second to Bud Light. I mean now now I mean. has earned. It was the the first big that I saw I mean crappier to go just kind of almost mainstream and I think it's how devils via was before they got bought like it was you didn't think have Vienna lager as a local beer anymore it was just you know if if a bar restaurant didn't have it, it'd be weird as opposed. You know all great they have. It's like, why don't you have it? That's what's funny about it too. Is that these local craft breweries they don't market. The same way that you would have obviously bud light, Miller, lay and rent, and and some of their commercials are great and they're reach when it comes to all facets of marketing that we have at our fingertips these days. But Yet Their their impact and their gain is is extraordinary that you do somewhat think well, if they had the same marketing dollars. As? As M Heiser Bush like where. How huge would they be right and? If they had the capacity to be able to. Right I mean there's They have so many square foot feet to brew and got some. Amazing Beers. But you know with the lead time and how long it takes to make some of them. As. Great as the arts. Karner makes as much as I bragged about Commonwealth stoute's my number for all of the stout category like Commonwealth they won stout. There's a Turkey Turkish coffee stout called that. O'connor does but like. People will line up when it's noble and then it's gone. That's like heady topper the alchemist up in. Vermont so you are limited to how many cans you can get. No. So I believe it's two to four packs. Per person because I remember standing in line and telling my husband pretend like you don't know me. So we can get more. Smart Mouth, the other local love. Player down there in Norfolk. Did one called Saturday mornings and it was the can that like a box of? Lucky charms. And some somehow in advance got onto like the tonight show. Thank and like the line was you know around the block would be. Conservative number but. A you couldn't get it and. I was fortunate I there's one local restaurant called sixty nine craft house that has great food and Great Nah beer selection. I randomly went in there for Brunch on Saturday and I walked in and saw chalkboard and it's a Da Saturday mornings available. That's weird. I walked in, sat down like I got a glass but. It was there was something they didn't announce that they were GONNA get it. They just put on instagram like, Hey, it's available today and all these people coming in they could get one pint and that you know keg blue in the. Time, I had brunch. It was tapped in blown in that type at the right place. Right. Now. That's insane. It is absolutely amazing to me to see. What breweries have been doing how much they have have grown to be a staple I liked even think that they're almost at anchor level. To be able to draw in other people, communities and businesses because typically if Burris do well, then you know other areas especially in retail and restaurants will also do well nearby brewery as well, and also the connection with course, beer and sports. And to see that that community that you guys are going beyond just your standard Miller lite bud light cores late or Mattie late. Ewing's big done there. It's an important. Love always stay lean on the import pointed from. Pennsylvania. was. Not Part of the US that and it's funny. You mention being anchors. I see that Richmond and the Scots, edition neighborhood up there with which was. Kinda sketchy in industrial. And then like the veil ardent No I can't remember all the Berea that are in there but. All these burn moved into that neighborhood then getting. Some great local restaurants I moved into that neighborhood, and now that neighborhoods like the cool neighborhood. Yeah. And we'd starting to happen in Norfolk where. O'Connor is. The veil open from Richmond opened a location in that neighborhood but you're saying an industrial part of town with limited residential now being a desirable area to being right. But yet Scott's addition was the first place I. saw it. And I think that's happened in Norfolk and you know I it's definitely the trend. It's not it's not the outlier it's going to be the new normal. It is going to be the new normal I. Do I think that people enjoy going breweries and especially probably people our age group and enjoy going breweries because it's a much more relaxed environment it's very community oriented and one of those places, breweries and wineries you cannot. You typically bring your kid and it is very friendly towards kids as well as animal slobbering covering my dog. Yep. I don't have any kids. So my my dog is my better half right now. But yeah. He's. He's popular web around and his. His leashes, a Commonwealth brewing leash and. Different. Different leash when you take him to like o'connor no no no. But there's a grocery down there called the thin brew line which Open in the last year and some good friends of mine oppor that place it's a police themed So like they've got a, it's one of the owners, Virginia, beach, policemen okay, and they've elevated cell door in their from Alcatraz and their bathrooms. The one is all looks like the. Cell from Shawshank Redemption, and another one is the usual suspects and. It's a very cool price. Awesome. Yeah, and Beers or have you ever met the owners brewers? They're they're they're friends of mine and the. Other I brought up. The dog's name is they also do the dog food. That day so are are you know is he's scheduled to be the Boudicca of the day a little farther from my house and I was GonNa go last week but my dog doesn't do well with rain so. Scrap that but because they had some cool thing going where. They had A. TACO, food truck with my favorite Taco place. But they also had an axe throwing like truck which. was. The first one that is is like a mobile unit. So they had like a Taco plays great beer axe throwing on one spot, but the whether to incorporate that day and never does not does it no. Like even on a even on a nice sunny day there always seems to be like something that impacts whatever you're doing out there always seems to happen definitely how many other do you know in your stadium? How many other different beers that you have It depends how you look at it. You know between like our. Restaurant area are sweets. We have one stand dedicated just to craft beer behind home plate like when I got there, it was like. Ice Cream and candy, and we do a couple hundred dollars maybe a day and then I'm like, no, that's going to be crappier stand so. We. Think we put like six taps in their originally. and then I think we're up to twelve right now and it's only because we don't have cooler space behind it to put more kegs in there but. By far that's you know I think sales probably increase thirty fold. A Lot So scrappers. Listening might be another good way to draw some business. Yeah and revenue have bombers in there to the big twenty, four ounce cans because that's the thing with the ballpark. A lot of people. They don't want to get out of there see as often or at all. So when they get up or get a beer, they want the one of the twenty to twenty four ounce big oil can be, which is an option for crappier So that is one of the difficult things with that. But all that being said, still they'll get in line for the that craft beer stand But night twelve, twelve ounce cans don't sell twelve bottles don't sell sixteen maybe in some of the birds have sixteens Yep but. We have to be careful how we do it. You know we have a limited space. But. We're lucky that we have some great local beers. We try to keep all those craft as local craft as well because they're great partners. They do all we do all. Good relationship that's exactly right and then also when you're done with that verd- fish in unrefinished just poured myself some. I know he likes it a lot but afterwards, you're gonNA try some of this revved up biker Brew House, which is the only brewery internationally. At a Harley Davidson thriller yes. It's located inside the Harley Davidson. this one's good. And biker Brew House typically is a little bit lower on the Ab, which is nice too. So we're with all of their beers location here. It's at a Harley Davidson shop in Austin Town Austin Tunnel Co. Yup. Re Address. The Patriot Boulevard was Oh yes. So it's over by the quaker steak quaker steak and lube off of six eighty codger. Are Now now death forty, six, eight. Yeah. Yeah. We're like six eighty yen. Yeah. Pretty much. Yes. No. I was upset the quake we had a quaker steak near us in Newport News. which would be like a half hour from my house, but it recently closed and I was so excited when it opened and heartbreak that closed jeff handles nearby you too those both closed. Oh No, we'd one in Virginia. Beach and Williamsburg Guy that owned it was originally from the east side. Of youngstown. I met Him we did a why issue lum event and one of my games. Okay. So I was able to get my chocolate. Ice Cream down there but yeah. No more. Oh Man I know the sad day was that due to Kobe or just in general no clues in advance of that. Okay. Then there's that's a major fault of Virginia Beach, Norfolk career because they obviously don't know the best ice cream in the world I don't know if it was a business decision. Or if the guy retired. And the sad thing the one in Virginia beach that closed got torn down and replaced by Taco Bell. The world doesn't need more. Talk. I don't think I've eaten at TACO. Bell since college. There's been some late nights where it's come in handy but. I couldn't tell you the. That's awesome. Thank you very much for joining me on today's podcast through invite I really enjoyed the talk. Yeah, definitely. So next time you come into town, we are actually GonNa go out to these breweries and hit them all up perfect. Yeah. I'd love to have some of these in person and Spend my. Thanks for introducing me to to greet beer. So yeah, you need a head up bader methods noble creature Paladin I mean there's head on out to sandy springs for I. Mean there is a mass amount of really good craft brewers around this area, which is pretty spectacular and I've said before you can go into brewery and nowadays anybody could start thinking that they could open up a brewery but. And I've tasted some of their beers that haven't necessarily been the quality of the gear that I've had her entiere. No. The the quality can range but when you find a good one, you know it oh. Yeah. Definitely and these guys are talented. Definitely guys and gals are talented. So. Thank you very much. Cheers cheers. And Good luck to to the tight group. Thank you. Hopefully we'll be playing April.

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Ebby Steppach /// Part 1 /// 343

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Ebby Steppach /// Part 1 /// 343

"UH-HUH place or with someone and we would find out that's not where she was ebby was provoking arguments and wanted to move out she the extra crispy colonel all right that's enough of the business everybody gather round grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime about three weeks before Ebi disappeared her behavior changed drastically she would tell us she was going some Dick in Virginia Beach Virginia Big Nick says it's good to hear you it's good to be heard so little tip the cap to the captain there yeah of there is this is a dark sour beer aged in oak barrels this gem is Bhai the rare barrel microbrewery for those of you scoring at home welcome true crab garage wherever you are whatever you're doing thanks for listening I'm your host Nick and with me as always as a man who drinks apple this is batch number eighteen garage grade four and a five bottle caps and today we are giving thanks to these gems right here I up a big barrel cheers Expe- on Saturday October twenty four that she needed to speak to me about something important she indicated that an individual at this house had sexually rob it's new Greville shall to hope and West Dundee Illinois and we have Rachel in Knoxville Tennessee and last but certainly not least we have been point this week in the fridge we have an interesting one this is called Shadows Sarah and vadnais Heights Minnesota and a big Charlotta Stephanie and Berlin Germany next up we have Mardi and Pflueger Ville Texas old flew over nate banner we are behind it would be weird if we were ahead we're just making names up so thanks everybody for contributing to this week's peer fund you can do that auditor and videotape day there were four boys at the party she told me at two assaulted by one abbey was hysterical and I left and eventually ended up with my son Trevor a couple days before he was reported missing she went to a party juice because Oj will kill you he is the captain had also unclog your pipes it's good to be seen as good to see you thanks for listening thanks for down the from crammed garage Dot Com while you're there check out the store page sign up on the mailing list that is enough of the business hold on while you're there get a good look at the big nick an wanted my husband to go to the police station with her every that I would beat her after dinner to sit tight and I'd let her know when I was on my way for the last donate to the beer fun we want to thank everybody for donated to the beer fund we are currently behind but if you'd like to donate go to true crime garage dot com and click on the road where she was but she knew she was with her car at that point turmeric told me what had happened told me you sounded really messed up disorders acted abby about an hour later and she told him that she was outside his house so trevor went out didn't see her asked her where she was she did the question I asked her what she wanted to go follow police report and she stated yes. I'm certain the next afternoon my Stepson Trevor came by he conned uh word to the wise though I'm known as big Nick in the garage here so we'll limit to just one right all right have you. In some cases we approached the story by starting off with the main event which may be a murder and abduction or disappearance but in this case the events unfold in such a peculiar way oh who has done some extensive coverage on this case EPI Jane Statistic was born March Thirty First nineteen ninety seven to articles in a magazine dedicated to this strange case now the trailer you just heard was taken from the Dr Phil Show Lori and Peter Static Eddies name which Laurie laughingly says she borrowed from a church friend whose daughter's name was evey her good evening with my daughter to come forward and give a formal interview with Little Rock Police Department to help them move forward in the investigation their name help usual name signified how special and unique her mother felt her child was Abbey's middle name is Jane which is also her mother's middle name as well Lori hoped her little girl would embody a combination of her mother's traditional religious values and a free spirited one of a kind persona Abbie's family can assisted of an older brother older half brother actually named trevor and a younger sister named Harris. Laurie says she and Eddie's father split when maybe was just a first grader. Laurie says that the marriage was a quote bad situation but when it ended it was still abrupt and teen-aged Abbey was known as EB stor to her family she loved hot pockets her dog furball music the beach and the color purple talking to her and her daughters Lori went onto Mary Michael Jernigan who helped bring some stability to this broken family we will just roll with the chronological approach much of the biographical information we are about to Rela- comes from a series of when she graduated from High School Abbey wanted to go to cosmetology school and later get her real estate license when she was young she did not like her name and she went through phases where she would insist on being called something else Laurie says abby she was also interested in languages she studied Spanish Turkish and Hebrew Laurie says Abbey was always stubborn and independent and never heard it like for to my knowledge trevor is the last person in our family to speak to abby I would like to four individuals that were at that party into a fiercely loyal person while she was hard to get to know her friends say that once you broke down her walls she was selfless this strong and perseverance one story that captures this is when her classmate this was a boy named Caleb Boyd says a homey person she liked to stay home she had friends over to her house more than she would go to their homes as she got older she developed he was apparently wrongfully incarcerated for having a gun on school grounds the way that this story works is instead of turning her back on campaign and petition the court and it worked getting Caleb released although these characteristics of Abbey's were largely positives her mom and generous and passionately stuck by her friends sites and heavies friend Danielle Westbrook describes her as kind loyal loving crazy and her early high school years she was bullied and she changed schools switching to the little scholars of Arkansas Academy uh-huh says there were some downsides to her loyal entrusting nature Ebi got hurt a lot because her strong feelings weren't always returned I am like so many of his other friends did right evie took the lead in mobilising students in support of Caleb she initiated a letter writing from another small private school later Abbey's loyalty and stubbornness reared its head when her mom tried to get her to see that a few of her boyfriend breaking her parents rules and hanging out with a new crowd a group that she met her job at footlocker at the McCain mall she had worked more and more to be around these other kids her parents didn't know things were exacerbated by the car the Abbey Blonde hair and Hazel eyes she is acting out in ways her parents do not like did not like and Geico filling for teens I got out of here man Abby who was a very pretty girl five foot two hundred and ten pounds not from her father Peter Lori said it gave her daughter the feeling that she could go wherever she wanted to whenever she wanted to write that's hard to land this job this was the summer before her senior year abby spent most of her money on makeup and clothes and she started to work these are people that she's working with so as we go through this we are uncertain in the captain and I talked about this last week we are uncertain if these are in we all know this is we don't mean to give me a bad name this is a phase most kids go through a lot of kids go through the old young adults abby as we said she's acting out she's lying to her parents you know not going where she says she's you want to be around their parents not listened to their parents and and they're hanging out with these these other people that her parents are calling kids but let's keep in mind fact actually kids because it's a job so at the youngest we're probably looking at what seventeen or eighteen but very likely nineteen twenty maybe even twenty one year old ends and other friends were less than she deserved as high school progressed her independence morphed into full blown rebelliousness abby started wing hang out with people that she says she will not hang out with she and her mom and Stepdad continued to butt heads and things escalated abby in the fall of two thousand and fifteen she made a decision that her mother would not support she switched schools this was from the Lisa Academy too who had been any sheltered private school her whole life sure enough new kids she was hanging out with introduce her to marijuana would periodically storm out to stay at her friend's home at Danielle's home but would always return home the next day now and abby started her senior year the parents did not approve and in a heated argument in September Evian her mom agreed that she should move out Lori was determined to stand firm her house two thousand four and unfortunately not seen since abby didn't have much of a plan in fact she rotated between houses quite a bit she crashed in her own and she would have to work quite a bit of this situation reminds us of Brianna Maitland case we covered episode two fifty four and two fifty five you little rock central high which is a very big school she went from a small school to a very large school this was a major change for Ebi they decided not to confront her about this she is still in school but technically she is an adult at this time right sometime around mid October Ebi showed up at Danielle's place asking to stay there for a while the two shared Danielle's room listening to me around from all of these three homes for a time and Laurie and Michael began receiving calls from Central High Abbey was missing school Brianna switched schools as well and remember she started hanging out with the wrong crowd right eventually moving out of her parents house and work in a lot vanishing into but she and Danielle went to services at the assembly of God Church and Little Rock that evening Thursday and Friday I don't I don't know what drama Abbey was referring to Ebby never ended up going to school that day it's unclear how many days she missed but on Friday night October twenty third we do know that Emmy went to a party Danielle did not go with her because she did not know the other so she needed to go over there and see him the friends agree to see each other on Sunday at the church ice cream social so abby went to people attending this party right we don't know if these were kids from central high school or people that abby was working with at footlocker or other and loved staying at their house abby spent the day sleeping and watching her favourite show spongebob she had dinner with her grandparents and they went music and they went out on long drives but since they went to different schools Danielle was never really sure what ebby was doing if she was not saying no it's not a big deal at all I swear I didn't want to go to school today anyway because of all that drama Danielle does on Saturday October Twenty Fourth Abby Toll Danielle her brother trevor was worried because she hadn't been to his place all week long Sir rules and have moved out she couldn't come back Laurie agreed to pay for certain things but abby would largely be on her brother Trevor's place and then she went to her grandparents house this is Peggy and Bill Holman Abbey was close with them Oh if abby went to school I could not find anything that stated that she did so we can only guest that what the drama was and if she was still avoiding school because of it after Daniels doctor's appointment Danielle text abby that her appointment was running late telling abby to go on without her abby tex back oft one guy had sexually assaulted her and he also videotaped the whole event it's unclear what the role of the at the home yeah it seems like she had to do a lot of work to figure out where she was going to stay so it'd be a lot more work on top of that figure out how you're going to get from this it's never saw her again and when they tried calling her later that evening before going to bed there was no answer it turns out that that same night instead of her older brother Trevor's home she stayed with her biological father Peter and with a friend Kayleigh fully so she's bounced these guys are older we don't know I think we both Kinda -ssume that that that these are probably more likely people from footlocker than her around seven fifty pm evie had begun texting her stepfather that she wanted him to bring her to the police station so she could other she tells her grandparents that she does plan to return to their home for that night and asking them not to lock the doors the home in out for t C. B. Y. around seven PM and around eight pm she's going to be leaving her grandparents telling them that she's going to go hang out with her steps with Monte Vickers a private investigator on the case describing the text between him and Ebi he says Abby says I was hanging there's but it was some group that she was hanging out with at this time this will be easy to understand why we don't know who this is and just a quick bit is up having sexual this individual then he tapes it or films it without her knowledge ray and he's probably sharing this with other guys at the party hanging out with some dudes last night and we smoked and I had sex with one of them and he effing recorded me she says this high school yeah or friends of footlocker friends yeah so it seems to me that maybe she felt pressured or or whatever by way she felt forced into it her last text message to me is saying I am going to kill myself but seems like there are drinking out this party possibly other three boys was but it was implied that they were also complicit somehow evie story is backed up by some text then random spot that you're staying at to school on the morning of Wednesday October Twenty First Abbey was supposed to drive Danielle to school on her way to school for an incident that happened at the party the night before she told him that she was the victim of sexual assault and four males were was when she wasn't looking vickers ask gauge did she tell you that she was raped to which gauge replies says she said she thirty PM and each only lasted about a minute but the little rock police department has said they have no record of those calls she had already called the police but didn't feel that she had received any good advice on what to do right so abby fell it would be she sent on the morning of Saturday October twenty fourth this is to a friend named Gauge Fulton. Here's the conversation that gauge later had you did not kill herself instead she began texting her stepfather while he was eating dinner that night evie requested that Michael Not tell her mother that's probably why she is saying that they're involved in some way yeah in we say the word sex but we're using that very vague again well the phone records show that and I have here in my notes that she indicating Abbey but I think what we should be clear on his better if she went to the police station in person and she wanted her stepfather to go with her the two agreed to meet around eight PM at the we don't know who was opening right reading text messages but somebody was until Sunday of October twenty fifth bright it's clear the boys or all of the boys at the Party about this incident by herself right and he says probably to try to get a hold of the she goes missing and somebody is going through her phone to try to clear some evidence I think that's what it is the impression that she had gone to meet him she was never seen again Michael fears that she may have decided to try to confront one she continued to open and re text messages until the night of Sunday October Twenty Fifth Unfortunately Roy wait say that phase of Abbey's life as we already stated she's not always honest about where she is who she is hanging out with and there were times even before moving responded to finally around five thirty PM on Sunday the twenty fifth Eddie's brother Trevor got a phone call from her she did not homes and head down to the station together but we do know the Ebi left the Helmets House before Michael arrived and the grandparents told Michael that they were under concerns but you also have a history of somebody running out for the night and not being where they're supposed to be they say that they tried calling in me that that we have Lori her mother believes it to be Abbey but as stated we don't overshot no I think what happened is so he hangs up the phone he goes outside to meet her but she is not there there's no sign of her or her car He calls her now. According to Laurie Eddie's cellphone records indicate the Abbey made two calls to the Little Rock Police Department that night around seven honest about where she's gone yes so you have like really mixed emotions and thoughts and feelings by her family right now where she didn't show up to meet her Stepdad she tells her grandparents she left to see the Stepdad he shows up at their door and they're like what are you doing here break but at the same time you got these back and ask you know where are you she said she was in her car but did not know where she was and she could not tell him who texting abby and all of those texts were it's according to her phone records state that they were read by somebody they weren't Egli while those are also her words yeah but we have her telling gauge that she said she felt forced right so now we do know that Ed I don't know what happened out that she would leave an argument and go stay somewhere and then come back the next morning on the difficult thing is that she is eighteen so technically says it have to be when no one heard from her by the next morning right we gotta keep some things in mind here there's a lot going on and there's a lot going on in this right right so the Abbey's mob does so we know that happened right these phone records also show then at her place Danielle who was at the ice cream social said she had planned to attend with abby right but obviously he's not there and nobody knows where she spent that Saturday night right I mean she could already be endanger as you just said how the family started to be worried correct and now Danielle is joining in the hunt as well she starts calling and texting Abbey's phone she starts calling other friends to see if any sound like herself he said she sounded panicked and disoriented abby told him that she was in her car parked outside of his house Oh she was with the last thing she said was I'm fucked up after four minutes of back and forth with abby not making any sense at all the power of super plants they make it easy for you to get the nutrients your body needs to thrive you're super functional superfood implant protein are Super Dot com get fifteen percents off your order when you use code garage at checkout just go to your Super Dot Com and don't forget to get fifteen her family started actively looking for her searching the neighborhood and calling around to her friends Abbie's sister texted Danielle asking if abby was and not giving him any information she hung up the phone and no one has ever heard from her again her phone uh but all of this effort nobody would find anything insure half-cup sizes third love designs bras with breast size and shape and mine for a perfect fit and feel you'll have to take my word for it but I am the captain and my mother loves these brawls my sister loves these bras and all the listeners that I know that have a third love Bra there absolutely and mixes are made from naturally dried organic whole foods superfoods and nothing else and with your super one hundred percent transparent supply all reasons why I love your super get the cleanest superfood implant protein mixes at your Super Dot Com. 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report without much follow up at all yeah now and the cops defense around that we've seen in so many other cases it's all it almost seems just in a terrible way almost seems funny to you Hours here they want twelve so laurie her mother says the second that the clock hit the twelve hour mark she called and five minutes later they're going up sorry without him well we do know that that is the case most of the time and the other thing of all we just have some people that are overreacting and they WANNA file a report but yet the person that they're trying to report missing since report but the Little Rock Police Department did not seem too interested in the missing person's case they seem to give lorries concern about the report nope there's no there's nothing it's a little bit of a shorter time period most of the time we hear less of twenty two or we've heard thirty six those when they go while they're adult and they have the right to go missing and I would just say that that look I understand people have the right to go missing even say it because we've repeated it so many times right throughout these different cases now this one is a little different this response is a little different than we've heard in the past and but the person that is you know the person that has the right to go missing that normally goes missing there probably is some conflict with the family so the maybe it's some form of Progress I don't know captain you be the decider there but he's told that they need to wait twelve hours before filing I really want to know how many times do they get calls where they're getting call backs within minutes hey we can't find my son can't find my daughter and he's not going to be calling for a while right I mean but when a family is calling going hey we can't find our son or daughter and the cops go he's living so I go ahead yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah The thing that I always drives me nuts the police she called back to the Little Rock Police Department right a police officer came to the House on Monday to speak with the family and fill out a missing for serious it's out of character and then here's the other thing too that that yes and I'm GonNa be my own devil's advocate here where I say that a to look we'll go down this road because you you started us down the road in this particular situation I can kind of see it from that perspective couch surfing basically but then here's the other the other thing you gotta consider that's all been going on for a while and they've never called the police before right so I've already told me she's hanging out with the wrong crowd she leaves and doesn't come home some nights phys adult she's an adult she's living elsewhere and we don't really know where she they're adult they have the right yeah we know that they have the right but this is ABC character and N and I think the cops need to take that he likely this is very different than any of those other times and and maybe they are not overreacting at all maybe they are reacting appropriately and we need to it becomes spooky pretty quickly now to put it in its shortest form possible the journey against did not feel that the police were to step in and get involved in this again this is also an day in age where were very connected so if you're not getting a hold of somebody likely missing because she wanted to be then little rock's channel seven news reported that police found surveillance footage reading they're missing daughters case with an appropriate sense of urgency on October thirtieth the Little Rock Police Department this is Lieutenant Steve McCarron aired at the end of the week when ebby disappeared there was no indication of when the footage of the car had been taken right so it's doing Eddie's car travelling on Cantrell Road in West Little Rock sometime shortly after she went missing while this report large Chanel Valley Homeowners Association a sign at the entrance of the park reads private for residents only it is in a very upscale area of West little rock near Joe Robinson high school another large high school in the city on route ten in order to get to the private neighborhood park drivers have to take one of two access roads one of these is shall neighborhood association to patrol the park he called the Little Rock Police Department on the night of October twenty eighth he was calling report and abandoned vehicle parked in the parking lot of the park police took a report but didn't make it over to the park until TV but we don't know exactly when that footage was taken it turned out it was most likely some time that weekend the crucial time period in which he did oh hand he's the media spokesperson for the Police Department he told the media that there was no immediate danger in Abbey's case and she was Dan Guy Hooper he's a security officer he calls in this abandoned vehicle and then he waits for police for a couple of hours and they don't vanish shall park is a neighborhood park there's a pool there and a playground it's maintained and operated by the Egmont drive which becomes northfield drive and takes drivers out to Chanel Parkway by the Walmart supercenter the other way takes drivers on sholomo drive to Cantrell road which is route ten a security guard named Guy Hooper who was employed by the October thirtieth two days later in a row so I want you to keep in mind how this whole thing went down this this show up they don't respond the entire time which he's like all right I'll be back again tomorrow to patrol again right I believe he actually called the following day as well l. and then again waited another hour to but as said it was two days later before anyone showed up to take a look at this vehicle well and let's go back to the whole we don't believe that she's in danger we think that she went missing on her own like we have worship well once they finally went down there to investigate this abandoned vehicle what they found was Abbey's silver two thousand and three double points of evidence to make him believe not that one she's basically saying that there was a sexual assault that happened to me and I want to report it I called your please station multiple times I'm making arrangements to go down there so we take that serious and then the remarks that she made to her friends saying while I'll kill me on the phone yes that Sunday the car keys were still in the ignition the vehicle was out of gas in the battery was dead revolts Wagon Passat Arkansas plate one three seven U. F. M. parked in the parking lot and it had been there since the night of is that she's in possibly in danger of harming herself and so we should take this more serious it seems just got load of a biological father and then a friend or two they're gonna find not only just these items but they're gonna find basically all of her possessions that now really truly what they find they're keep in mind she's moving around from house to house at that time staying a little bit with her brother little bit with her even more disturbing were the contents of the vehicle which included her contact lenses her wallet and her cell phone all of which were sitting on the front seat very strange stuff yeah now upon finding the car little rock police called Eddie's father Peter this is her biological father travel along with her from house to house in this car yeah her car becomes basically her storage unit yeah now these items are of importance they're looking at it until October thirtieth that's it I get abandoned vehicles I don't get having these types the car keys still in the ignition bad sign we got the automobile out of gas and the battery was dead that to me suggests that I self now maybe that is just you know it was just a figure of speech no wasn't something that she was actually going to do but just that in itself me of possessions being found inside the vehicle in plain sight one two vehicle out of gas and the batteries dead keys in it somebody left that vehicle running this is was Abbey's lifeline to her family and I'll keep in mind she's living with yeah yeah she's not living with her family but she still close with them and the police apparently failed to notice that the name of a missing young woman was also on that registration and her license was October twenty fifth this is according to the security off ahead so the twenty fifth that's The Sunday that's the same night that that she spoke with trevor was wrong something bad had happened now let's take our own little investigation into this vehicle to captain what did we say here we go does not know I mean they may know that somebody is missing or has been very but but very likely not because like we said the the somebody left the vehicle running bright in that parking spot and we do know it was there since that would we say Sunday the twenty fifth and they're not because Laurie later said that Ebi couldn't see without her contacts and she would never ever not take her phone somewhere with her she always says his name is on the car registration it was he who notified his ex wife Lori the Abbey's car had turned up the all of Abbey's makeup was still sitting in the vehicle as well that Lori says was the clincher for her she immediately knew that something the car the officers left the trunk open and a rainstorm soaked. Many of Abe's belongings channel seven news reported in the vehicle while they were searching the car they left the trunk open makes you wonder today fail to notice alleged to protect and serve they failed on this investigation for months the Jernigan family says the Eddie's car was the subject Danielle or any of these other friends were not contacted the security guard who found the vehicle was not contacted act of phone calls to the Little Rock Police Department not only from Guy Hooper but several neighbors in the area who called about the car our daughter's missing and now you've found her vehicle yeah with all our stuff in right I mean look we all know that teenagers are connected to their phones that that to me and keep in mind a couple of things if the security officer had called Multiple Times to report an abandoned vehicle yeah the responding officer is on the registration father calls mom hey they found their vehicle there it's going

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"This message comes from here. And now sponsor indeed if you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard, get started at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast from NPR and WB. You are. I'm Elise, Hugh. I'm Robin young. It's here and now massive wildfire continue to roar through northern and southern California today northern California's campfire is now considered the most destructive wildfire in California history. President Trump tweeted over the weekend that poor forest management is to blame scientists disagree. One of them is Glenn McDonald climate scientists at UCLA, and Glenn you got to do some frightening fieldwork this weekend. Evacuating yourself ahead of the Wolsey fire with your family in Thousand Oaks, which also saw last week's terrible shooting but evacuations I'm assuming are frightening even for climate scientists. Yeah, I mean. You you you sort of you know, you know, about these things in theories think about them, you write about them people. Do studies on how you evacuated neighborhood and things like that. But when you're there, and you see the of that fire over the rich there, and you know, that the police are coming around with loudspeakers door to door. It's a whole different thing. It really is a whole different thing. Suddenly, the theoretical becomes very very real. Well, we thank for that. You were able to go back into your home, so many having so many, I I should note because I've tweeted it out my brother in point Dume, which is north of Malibu in a building a condo in a building the whole building burn. And he lost his condo there. And I think that's important to point out. That was a building urine a neighborhood. What are your thoughts? When the president says this is forest management. Well, basically nonsensical and insensitive a nonsensical. Because there's no force. That's burning down here. Yeah. We're essentially in coastal chaperone and chaperone shrug land and grassland. That's funny. So there isn't any seining or you know, salvage logging or clear cutting that you're gonna do down here. This is the type of vegetation. Then fire is a very natural part of it in his adapted to fire and insensitive because people people lost their lives. People lost their homes, and we've had the most magnificent first responders in firefighting was once here just disa- heartening to hear that kind of message. And we'll talk more about what is causing this and why it is climate change. And we we know these that it's a hot, and we have these hot winds blowing in talk talk more about what is happening. Well, I mean, we full first of we have some natural things on your we get in southern California. The sound of wins at very very strong winds that come out of the four corners region in northern California. They have a counterpart called the Diop blow wins, and they they begin to pick up three strength through the the fall and into the into the winter this so these these huge gusty winds, they're a normal part of our our climate environment down here, and then we have fueled which are very very fire prone, and they grow back very very quickly after fire they're adapted to so we put on fuel very very quickly brash that you're talking about this is the brush or. Yeah. Absolutely natural part of the environment. But, you know, California house this huge population. Tens and tens of millions of people, and we are by nature of the fact that most of the terrestrial environment here is in one way or the other fire prone entire adapted. When you build you're going to be building in areas, which you are going to be prone to fire. That people have. I mean, people have criticized people who live out in the woods. But what what you're saying is we've so many people in California unless you take half of them in eject them. I mean, these fires were Malibu these are in areas that are on the ocean. These are neighborhoods. No forest, and you add to that these high temperatures, we mentioned, rare rain in fact, meteorologist referred to it and people like you referred to it as negative rain. It's the worst. No rain. It's hot air with this dry air is what can be done. Well that. No, those those are really good points. I I've seen people where you build it. You're gonna have you're going to be some exposure to fire point areas. And the thing is people think that these are houses, which are scattered amongst the pine trees up north or they're scattered amongst the chaperone here isolate it state. That's not true. If you look at the tubs fire in Santa Rosa, you look at the Thomas fire last year in Ventura, you look at what happened in reading this July and August these fires went from that urban wildland interface into the suburbs. We thought here in Thousand Oaks we saw houses Fernie stone's throw literally from our city hall because the fires are able to jump through embers in into the into the suburban area. So this is not a story about people building their biggest states out amongst the fuels. This is a story of the fact is that no matter where you build your eventually you're going to back up against if she will hear listen Glenn. We just glad that your family is back, and we just want to express our thoughts to you because nerves were already on edge in south oaks where you are. And so we just want to say, you know, thank you for your insight. We'll probably chat with you again. But we wish you and the family and Thousand Oaks the best. Thank you very much. Appreciate your good wishes. Boston strong Thousand Oaks strong McDonald, a climate scientists at UCLA, and I just want to say Lisa, Hugh as you take over here for a second. We are welcoming you from California. And I know that your thoughts of their to absolutely into all the folks out there in northern and southern parts of the state to Washington DC now where there are several memorial services to observe veteran's day over the weekend. President Trump visited Paris for a commemoration of the one hundred anniversary of the end of World War One while he was there. President Trump was on hand as French president Emmanuel Macron gave a speech criticizing nationalism. That's a label that Trump has recently embraced. Here's Macron's speaking. Under the arc de trio through a translator patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism. Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism by saying our interests first cares about the others. We arrays what a nation holds dearest. What gives it life? What makes it grace? And what is essential? It's moral values back here in the US. We are still following unresolved elections Kirstin cinema the democratic candidate for Senate in Arizona built on her narrow lead against her Republican opponent as more votes were tallied races in Florida have gone to a recount and the governorship of Georgia is still in dispute we're joined now by NPR White House correspondent tamra Keith to talk about it all hate him high. Well, let's talk about the aftermath of last week's election. I Democrats widened their majority in the house says more votes were counted. And now the Zona Senate race seems to have flip from red to blue but many races are still. Too close to call or mired in controversy. So how has the electoral map changed since last week? Well, there are several places that say too close to call still and end in terms of as you said in the intro out in California. They are still counting a bunch of ballots because California's a state that has has moved more and mortar permanent absentee in vote by mail. And because of that there are races. That were looked like the Republican was leading with the votes on election day as the vote by mail votes. Have come in a couple so far of Republican candidates have conceded or or have simply lost including Dana Rohrabacher, the Republican congressman in Orange County. He he is has now lost that race. So as the votes continue to be tallied. There are things that are changing, including Arizona's we said, and then of course. Is there are Florida and Georgia where in Georgia there are legal challenges in Florida their legal challenges and and votes are still being counted? Now, there's a recount in Florida in three statewide races. If by Thursday when when the mechanical recount is is supposed to be done if the any of the races are within a quarter of a percentage point, then there would be a manual recount. And we are expecting that for sure with the Senate race. I feel like I know the answer to this question. But how's the president reacting? Well, so you will be shocked to know that he's been tweeting. And and what he is saying is I I'm actually not going to read this tweet because it contains so many things that are not factually, correct? But he is an essence alleging that shady things are happening. And that you should just go with the election result from. Action night, which basically pushes a misperception that's out there that it all ends on election night. And this is a misperception that we, you know in the news media help by saying this has been called in this race has been called. This race has been called often win all the votes aren't in yet. The votes are never all in on election day overseas. Military absentee provisional ballots. Lots of ballots get counted after election day after election night. And if races are close you hear about them in it sounds, very messy. And if they're not close you never hear about it. Meanwhile, America has an acting attorney general now, Matthew Whitaker. Democrats are leveling more criticisms against him nineteen state attorneys general all Democrats called on him to recuse himself from Muller's Russia investigation Whitaker has publicly questioned the investigation and has ties to someone who was called before a grand jury as part of that inquiry. Here's the Massachusetts. Attorney general Maura Healey. Speaking to NPR Whitaker's conduct is so far over the line that he should recuse himself. And that's why we're speaking up because this is not a partisan issue. Rachel, this is a matter of the rule of law and the system that we have in place to ensure that we have an operating rule of law in this country Tam real quick, how is the White House defending Whitaker. Well, they say he is a stand up guy, and they have not weighed in on the recusals issue. I will say also top Democrats in congress are suggesting that he should recuse himself. He is of course, just at this point the acting attorney general that then PR's White House correspondent Timothy Timothy. You're welcome. My name is John wall. And on this day a story from ninety three year old veteran. John Waller of Virginia Beach Virginia when he only told his daughter Garlan, recently, and she and her husband berry Nolan both grab their ipads and began filming what would become a documentary the takes us from the sinking of the s s Leopoldville in the English channel on Christmas Eve in nineteen forty four seven hundred sixty three soldiers died most went down with the ship, but survivors like John Waller were told never to speak of it. And it takes us to a Chateau and sherbrooke France where decades ago John snatched a portrait of a stranger. The film is the silent soldier and the portrait garland Waller and Barry Nolan. Join us in the studio. Welcome good to see you. See we should say, oh, friends, and that can't feed until this story. And we also want to welcome Garland's father, John Waller, John welcome to as well. Thank you, very start with you. Our history buff the Leopoldville tragedy the ship that was a Belgian crew. Ship that was converted to be this Trump shit was being scored by British ships to France when it was torpedoed, how horrendous of these were the people that when they talk about the greatest generation John Waller is one of the prime examples born and raised on a farm never been more than fifty miles from his home. He comes and signs up to go to fight for his contract. Nineteen at nineteen the now he's on a boat being sent across English channel to join the battle of the bulge, and it's Christmas Eve when a German u boat torpedoes, this converted steamship and the attempt to rescue these people as the ship began to go down which just chaotic and Garlan, you didn't even know about this that you dad almost died. You know, they were told do not talk about this. It will be bad for morale, and they didn't John Weller. We're going to bring you in. There was a large ship that came to try to. Rescue boys like yourself jumping off Leopoldville our land the job when they two ships collided Cosa guys jumping from the livable. They miss they fill in between or killed. And then the bowl is blew up and the ship started to really say fast. I'll walk down the side of the lift oval into the water. And I was that fo- forty fifty minutes in freezing ice cold water before I wish pulled out of the water and into a small fishing boat and cut to shove in one thousand nine years old. He didn't want to die because you don't want your mother to get that call the true in this water. The thing that I thought about is what my mother would say why she got the lot of that. I hadn't survive. Well, this story would be enough. But it turns out that John Waller and a group of his friends then continue on their journey, and they end up in an abandoned Chateau in France. The place has been ransacked by the Nazis, and there's a safe there and John blows this safe up with his friends and takes a souvenir garland pick the story up your dead. Then told you, oh, I have this thing I took this beautiful French portrait that was the size of. Hey. And and the more he talked about it the more. I realized he felt a little guilty about this. And so I said to him I kind of feel like if you could you'd like to take it back, and he said, I really would I had put it away. After my second wife say I couldn't hang out in the house because she didn't won't stolen stuff in her. Well, and I didn't look at it. All but the. Shuna someday. I'll take it back. I'll go find the people, and I just wouldn't show have they would receive it. But I just felt it was the right thing to do and get it off my mind. Well, we're really going to leap ahead now because garland, and Barry really now we're doing a lot of detective work going to talk to experts Google maps. I mean, it's just an amazing story. But I'm gonna leave ahead to you all make your journey with the portrait in hand to go to the spot where the Leopoldville went down. There's a moment in the film. You are all on this ferry. Garland has been berry. Brought this beautiful wreath with white flowers. You were going to go to the ship's rail and have this quiet ceremony with your father to throw this wreath the BBC caught wind of the story. His an extraordinary story of survival on Christmas Eve nine hundred end the moment when dad came out and saw the crowd of people who were on that ship who clapped to to honor him for his service. It was quite a moment. This was a moment of remembrance of greatest ideals. This was Europeans. And when they began to hear this what they responded to was the power of those ideals that brought those boys from farms to fight for other people who are being oppressed overwhelming. It was really quite a moment quite something, John when you first came out, what did you think they were plotting back was blown away. Just never Miss World expected. Anybody would even be interested in the lip oval. I I never I got home. I guess wiped it completely out of my mind. And now by even thought about it again, we'll enough throw it overboard it really bought back memories of that Christmas Eve. But. It. It did. I guess when I did that. I remember that a lot of my friends a lot of my comrades. Didn't make it. They went down. Thank you. Very. Thank you. She didn't get that letter. And I got my life. So we get to hear you say the words there that he knew you'd so long long to say, thank you for sparing my life and not have letting my mother have to get that letter. We regret to inform you, and it's in front of these British people. They really ready. They really treated me like a hero like out. I had I hadn't thought about it in years and years, and yes, and it it made me feel really great that people after all these years that they would appreciate what they Americans did. Well, there's something else we want to mention and you didn't want your mother to get this letter. Apparently, she was already getting one your brother was killed in the battle of the bulge where you're heading just weeks before. Yeah. On the fifth day symbol. I got word that my brother died about three weeks after the ship was sunk. But she didn't know what I went through. She would have gotten to lettuce that what? Been heard death. Oh my gosh. Shake. Oh my gosh. I didn't know at that time that he had been killed if I hadn't made it that it really would. Problem event. My mother's death to Tucson's. We are. So sorry about your brother yet. Okay. Who take a breath? Because we're not even finished with her story because it turns out that garland and bury you find the Chateau the descendants of the people who live there, and John you handed over this portrait to them in person. We're just gonna listen to a few seconds of that moment. This is just a wonderful way to say, I'm sorry. Return? Thank you return to you. But thank you, and please forgive John. Does that relieve you of something handing that back? It did when I did think about it. What will I run into? Will. They kick down the stash and wet may. And I was relieved have accepted it. They were just as nice and thoughtful, and John rush is they could be and at at did ease my mind control ably. Just a couple of thoughts. If you're lucky enough to have a World War Two veteran. Ask them. Is there anything you wanna tell me and John anything else you wanna share? John weller. We just wish you the best Veterans Day. Thank you so much. Well fake you fan. Not. Thank you, dad. If I hadn't a survive, you wouldn't be that. So we thank you for that too. Again, ninety three year old John Waller veteran of two hundred and sixty four th regiment. Sixty six infantry division of the US army who'd been haunted by surviving the sinking of the USS Leopoldville in nineteen forty four. When over seven hundred soldiers didn't and haunted by taking a small portrait from a French Chateau. As you've heard he's found some peace with both John's, daughter garland and her husband. Barry Nolan's documentary is the silent soldier end the portrait. And because it's Veterans Day. You can see it for free at here now dot org watching with a vet you never know what you might hear. This message comes from NPR's sponsor, indeed when it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste you need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast with indeed post a job in minutes. Set up screener questions then zero in on qualified candidates. And when you need to hire fast, accelerate your results with sponsor jobs. New users can try for free when you sign up at indeed dot com slash NPR, podcast, terms, conditions, and quality standards apply. The Japanese conglomerate SoftBank is looking to raise more than twenty billion dollars with the initial public offering of its Japanese mobile phone unit that will be one of the biggest IPO's ever. And you may be thinking one of the biggest I've ever and a company I've never heard of. But saw thank focuses on investing in tech. Starbucks, many those companies you've heard of as we're gonna hear from Kalyanpur senior innovation reporter at here. No member station. WBU are high Columbine, Robin. So tell us about this company. Right. It's not really a household name in the US, but it is a company with massive international reach because it is so diversified. And you mentioned the Japanese mobile phone unit that may be going for the IPO. It also held a majority stake in sprint which is much more familiar to as until recently. And so even if you haven't heard of SoftBank itself, you definitely know some companies invest and how big a deal is. I mean twenty billion sounds a lot. But we've been throwing billions around for so long. How big is that for perspective? It's big because we're talking about just one piece of a very diversified company. So I'll e. Baba has the record at twenty five billion from two thousand fourteen but that was all of Alibaba. So to come close with just a piece of the company would be pretty impressive. Well, the CEO of SoftBank who's Musi Yosi Sean has been focused on investing in these technology, startups like Uber. Tell us about some more of the companies, and how does he want to increase leverage those investments, right? So his goal is to raise a hundred billion dollar venture capital on these calling the vision fund and just for perspective that's more than entire venture capital. Investments in the entire US last year's massive amount of money. And so he's also invested in companies like we work, which is that co working space so popular right now slack this instant messaging software company, and so if you just use those three slack. We work Uber. You're talking about three of the most valuable private tech firms in the world. Well, but this SoftBank vision fund, which is you just explain huge is funded in large part by Saudi money. So has soft bag head any? Second thoughts about that. Since the killing of Saudi journalist Jamaica Shoji in the Saudi machinist. Are they nervous about that seemingly no son did condemn Khashoggi's killing last week? But he also said the SoftBank is not going to cut ties with Saudi Arabia. We're talking about almost half of the money for the vision fund. Forty five billion of the hundred comes from Saudi Arabia, and it's also worth other businesses aren't cutting ties either. So SoftBank isn't about to just unilaterally disarm the first to do it. Okay. So we've got our eyes on SoftBank. But while we have you bonus round. We've also been watching oil prices. They've been falling down around twenty percents reaching for your highs in early October today up. So what are you seeing? I don't see a long-term big rally here, partly because the Trump administration has granted the sort of cut out they've been granting waivers to keep importing Arabian oil, even while reimposing sanctions against Iran. Partly to keep those fuel prices. As low, you know, happy voters are people who aren't getting out at the gas pumps. We talked about how the midterms always has happy economic voters anyway because just about every administration does something to gin it up. But what do you see long term? So if you look at the next year OPEC seemed like they were indicating that they would try to artificially cut back the global oil surpri to keep prices from falling too low. They of course, don't want the price of a barrel to get down into the forties or fifties again. So that I think is the forecast for early next year. We'll keep an eye on that because it might affect consumer spending around the holiday sleeping on that Callum boys or senior innovation reporter at member station. W R Callum, thank you so much. It's here now. In Florida last week voters approved a ballot measure banning dog racing Florida is home to eleven of the seventeen active dog race tracks in America. It's a response to a campaign against the pet. Practice. Led by groups like grey, two k worldwide Christine door TEK is president and general counsel of the group and joins me now in studio Christine, thanks for being here. Thanks for having me. How big a deal is it that Florida has just ban dog racing. This is the biggest moment for greyhound, adoption and greyhound advocacy worldwide in anytime. This cannot be overestimated this is a silver bullet in the cruelty of dog racing. We will see reverberations around the world. I understand Florida voters approve this amendment by almost seventy percent did this level of support surprise you. We always knew that once Florida voters saw the cruelty with their own eyes. Which is what they did. When they saw our television commercial. Cels offering footage of how the dogs live confined small cages for twenty hours a day. We knew they would understand that. This is no way to treat a dog. There are by your count about three thousand seven hundred greyhounds in Florida that will now be looking for a home who's responsible for them from now until the adoptions occur. And what happens to these dogs now? Well, the ballot question triggers phase out period in this case, it's twenty six months already a one track closed up before the question was even brought four tracks have decided never to race again. So that leaves seven trucks with about thirty seven hundred dollars. We have hundreds of greyhound adoption groups standing ready around the country to absorb these dogs once amendment thirteen is triggered, and we should mention that. If you're hearing some noises in the studio that is Gina your rescue greyhound. Who is joining us here today, Christine, Jim garland. Who's the executive director of the national greyhound association, which is an industry group said to NBC that the industry is quote doing everything it can to make sure that every one of these dogs gets adopted. But could there be an issue? If too many tracks close around the same time, and there aren't enough homes lined up. I congratulate the racing industry for taking responsibility for these dogs. It's a I quite frankly for years dogs have simply disappeared. So we're looking forward to working with Jim with groups around the country. That are pro racing anti racing. Whatever your political persuasion. We all want the same thing to help these dogs. Give them the second chance that they deserve. There were groups against its Christine among them, the Florida farm bureau, and the Florida's sportsman United political committee. They said the language in the amendment, and that language was humane treatment of animals is a fundamental value to the people of the state of Florida. They're arguing that that language. Could have unintended consequence. Nces like shutting down family farms or banning on hunting and fishing in the state. What's your response to that? Well, as the author of the ballot question, I can show you that amendment thirteen does one thing and one thing only ends dog racing. Certainly the NRA and farm groups were encouraged to try and help greyhound breeders to defeat this humane proposal. Fortunately, that did not happen with the closure of the eleven in Florida. That leaves what six remaining dog tracks in the United States. What's the status of those? Well, these dog tracks, you know in the in the satellite states. They're actually going to have a hard time of continuing to exist. Revenues from dog racing. According to the racing industry itself are down eighty two percent nationwide. Just since two thousand one what the satellite states were relying on where the simulcast handle racist happening in Florida where simulcast for bettors in Iowa and West Virginia and the. Satellite states to bed on. So that revenue is going to disappear we're going to see a national industry in catastrophic decline. Now, assuming all these dogs do find new homes, what is it like to integrate dogs that have been trained to race into a more domestic setting? Well, what people sometimes don't understand is that these are some of the most gentle dogs, you can imagine. I like them to giant cats. They're extremely calm. They rarely bark. I live in an apartment with four cats and engine a-, and we're about to adopt another greyhound from Macau. So I can tell you that if they weren't easy to take care of. I wouldn't be able to manage the my flock. I can tell you that. Okay. Thank you Christine door. Check from grey two k worldwide and Gina the greyhound who has joined us in studio Christine. Thank you. Thank you so much for letting me speak about the greyhounds and in south Florida and artist is asking people to turn their old campaign. Signs into yard art. But the art is also aimed at starting a conversation about sea level rise. It's part of a project called the underwater. Homeowners association the artists behind the effort is exactly our core. Totta exam. You're welcome. Thanks for having me on the show, and you are in Miami. So please describe if you could what these repurpose campaign signs, look like, well, so I took these signs, and I painted them in white the color of Antarctic glaciers, and I asked folks to go to this app. We have a local apple you can put your home address in. It'll tell you the elevations of your home in Miami are highest elevation is twenty four feet above sea level. So you just type your home address in and it'll tell you specifically how high your home is above sea level. So as folks to put that number on the sign to paint that with black and then draw squiggly blue line underneath that number to Mark. What happens when those Arctic? Glaciers melt the seas rise, and that's sea-level rise hits your doorstep at whatever that elevations is whatever that number is. And I did this. So that neighbors could look at the signs and have conversations with one another about how the policies that we are implementing through the people we elected on the opposite side of those signs the people we elect it. Now, those elections are over how they act or fail to act will have an impact on how fast that little blue line arises all the way to your doorstep in flood everything that you've ever cared about. I understand you've put one of these in your front yard, what kind of reaction have you gotten so far. It's actually my neighbors who inspired me to act this way. Whenever hurricanes come to Miami. As a community. Everyone comes together to problem solve knowing that the storm is four days away off the Atlantic. And I thought to myself, well, you know, there's a big. Or storm coming. It's coming in twenty thirty forty years little by little heading this way. And no one's acting always doing anything, and and the consequences are dire. Because unlike a hurricane the the water doesn't recede. You mentioned why you why you were inspired to do this. It's not just the hurricane. There is a bigger storm coming, but I want to know you're making a statement with art obviously trying to start a conversation. But what action do you hope to spur by starting this conversation by having these campaign signs that are repurpose as sea level markers in people's yards? So artists depict the past. So that we don't repeat history in this case, I'm the picking where we're headed. So we can change. Our course. Okay. In Florida, a state surrounded by water a peninsula. The environment can never be a partisan issue. The environment can never be something that is a Republic. Democratic issue all in this together. And what I want these political science to do be adjuster short civility adjusted sort civility where people begin to talk to one another and problem solve instead of. You know, take a stand just because their political party or someone else had told him about it. I'd rather people be free thinkers and be science literate and organize themselves around the facts of sea level rise in global climate change. So we as a community connect practically speaking are you asking folks to make signs on their own. Or is there a way to get an exam? Your core. Totta repurpose campaign sign in their yards. How does it work and how to get involved? I like the idea of the performance of work. And I know it's a lot of extra work to sit there and paint a sign white. If you don't wanna paint the sign white take some masking tape and just tape the full sign if you don't have pink to pink. Okay. Number front of your house. Take a sharpie marker. But to me, the do it yourself component the idea that you are taking action matters into your hands is important. So that you make your own sign, and Secondly that you put it. You not someone else you personally stake a claim in your front yard, and you put in your front yard, those two are precursors to the third and most important step which was used the Sonya made and the you posted to engage someone else in a conversation. Look to the people who you would normally not talk to and bring them into the fold, and I think by doing that we make better and stronger nation a community minded approach from your core. Totta he is the artist behind the underwater homeowners association project in south Florida. Your thank you for coming on. Couple of stories we're following today. There's a report from the UN that finds ran is still abiding by the nuclear deal reached in two thousand fifteen with the US and other countries that deal, of course, has become more complicated since the Trump administration withdrew from the agreement in may, and then reimpose sanctions the other countries that signed the deal, Germany Britain, France Russia. China are still trying to keep it working. As the UN says, it is Anna Baltimore, the US conference of Catholic. Bishops has announced it will delay any action on proposed steps to address clergy sex abuse. It's an abrupt change of plans. And it's a delay that could last for several months. It comes at the request of the Vatican which has asked the American bishops to wait until the Vatican has its own global meeting to consider the controversy early next year among the plans on hold a possible new code of conduct for bishops. So it is Veterans Day. But for many Americans, it can be tough to talk to one hard to know what to say to someone who may have lost, friends or. Limb or part of their mind, maybe they suffer PTSD the fallback is thank you for your service. But some veterans don't like that it makes himself conscious or it. Feels wrote over the past year Cleveland area musician has teamed up with a combat veteran to start a deeper conversation. Together, they bring the war experience home in a production of storytelling and music. David Burnett from member station W C, P N idea stream has more trumpeter Dominic. Fair Naci says it all began when he fell in love with this. Tom waits song. This. Brief. Less. Me. Fair. Not she was struck by the idea of a soldier coming back from war and having to adjust to civilian life. You know, something I never thought about before. So that kind of started the quest to kind of learn more about this world. So I could further internalize my performance of the song. The trumpeters quest led him to James polling will blogs about his experiences as a combat veteran in Afghanistan. Fair Naci wrote polling about creating a performance that combines his music and veterans words, my first thought was no I have noticed sire too. But really a lot of that came back to what I felt like I was seeing and the media surrounding veterans movie portrayals of mentally unstable soldiers and other cultural cliches had left polling suspicious. But those concerns soon faded wants the two men got together at a Cleveland bar fair. Naci says they talked for seven hours and agreed to get the work. He would tell me a story. And then I'd come back to them with the song arrangement. And then he'd come back missing. Well, that's not exactly how I was feeling. I don't know. I feel a little funny about that. When you changes thing. And so it was a truly a collaborative effort. The result is modern warrior live with fair Naci fronting jazz combo that. Provides a soundtrack for pollings words one night as I go for a walk near my dad's house, a life, light, helicopter flies overhead immediately. My heart starts racing in my hand starts shaking feel everything that I feel when I'm in a helicopter being lowered into a firefighters tracers or flying by. But now. Just on a residential street. No. Hi. My hands on my knees. Was I fight to catch my breath clinical psychologist, Patrick Palmeri served as an advisor to the show. He directs the health traumatic stress center in Akron, Ohio, one of the things that this production. Does is helps civilians understand the veteran experience. Not just the military portion of the experience, but perhaps even more importantly, the reintegration back in civilian life. Palmeri has helped make connections between the project and the larger healthcare community polling and fair Naci have performed at gatherings of medical professionals as well as VA hospitals and veterans organizations, but James polling says it's also crucial to get the show in front of the general public. So many of the issues about the returning veteran stem from veterans coming home and feeling alone. And the more we have conversations with the civilian communities. The more we can create kind of a more empathetic landing spot. Lisa Cole is a former army Master Sergeant and Desert Storm veteran. She says the production spoke to some deep. Feelings that are hard for her to express for veteran. Someone has been in the military to hear somebody else. Say out loud to the world is very helpful. And it makes them think. Hey, I'm not alone in this other people going through the same thing in he's doing. Okay, I can do. Okay. I get my shoulder under his nine hold his weight. Because that's what we do. We hold each other's, wait. Moment later wipe our faces. He put back on our massive composure. We step back out in front of the men were leading the challenge of modern warrior live is to get veterans to open up about what they've experienced and drop some of those masks once they get back home. For here. And now, I'm David Burnett in Cleveland. Vish all thoughtful that day here now is production of NPR and WR association with the BBC World Service. I'm Robin young. And I'm Elise, Hugh. This is here now.

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"Pj crew it's Josh of producer here Unorthodox and it's Saturday night which means it's another unorthodox of so. Here's this week's attempt to bring you a little spice wine and a little bit of light for the spice tonight. I kinda wanted to just say. Go find whichever teenagers stuck in with you and give them a hug. You know. I'm stuck at home with a fifteen year old right now and I gotta think even though he's a royal pain in my behind I. I can't think of age that this has got to be harder for as Jews. Probably officially adults being bar. That's and even if they haven't been they're old enough to know and sort of understand everything without being really old enough to have the agency to have some method of dealing with all of this so if anybody's having it bad it's gotta be that high schooler sitting and moping in their room trying to do their remote lessons go give them a hug for me at least and with that. I'm going to kind of combine the last two items. Go Get yourself a nice drink of whatever you like. Sit back and let's take some light from our facebook group a week or so ago. I posted a request that several people responded to just call in and talk to me for sixty seconds. Just give me a little taste of something from you. Well a lot of did some of it's weird some of it's funny some of its touching some of it's crazy some of it's completely random but I wanted to share just a sampling of it with you. So here are dispatches from our facebook group in sixty seconds or less enjoy. It's Lauren from Brooklyn New York. Hi J. crew and everybody thank you all for helping to keep me sane during the first week of quarantine here New York your extra content has been a real life saver. I love watching movies and TV over and over and over again. So I've been fine so far in high school. I had seen the breakfast club so many times that I could recite it and a friend dared. Meteorite it down and so I did and using an old electronic word processor with a disk drive. I transcribed everything that I could remember of the breakfast club beginning to end. I did pretty well. I went back in updated. It watching it but Somewhere in a box that I can't seem to throw out is an old format incompatible disk with my version of the breakfast club so there you have it. Stay well folks. I'm Lauren Amter Ski. And I'm sixty years old in nineteen sixty nine. I was ten and it was time for me to learn to play an instrument my grandfather. Who was something of a character but an accordion at a garage sale? My mother thought this would be a good idea for me to learn to play me who was a Klutz and had no musical experience. Play the accordion. Where'd you play a keyboard with one hand chords with the other and you push the whole thing in and out at the same time why she thought this was a good idea? Perhaps it was laurence welk. I don't know but I took one lesson. I learned to play merely role long and I was done and I've never played another instrument in my life. My sister plays the guitar to this day. Hello this is Amy Lipton. I'm fifty four years old and I'm from Pennsylvania and a big fan of the show so a rope walks into a bar says to. The bartender gave me a Martini. The bartender says we don't serve rope here. The Rope says give me a Martini. The bartender says we don't serve rope here. Rope walks out unravels edges ties himself up walks back into the bar says to. The bartender gave me a Martini. The bartender says aren't you the rope that was just in here? The Rope says I'm afraid not my name's Louis I'm sixteen I'm from Pennsylvania and my life. Experience is that I went to boarding school when I was fourteen at loved it exciting and it was great and it was crazy and I was close for the rest of the year. I'm sad I'm he does Steinberg a thirty seven year old currently living in Bloomington Indiana originally from the surveys route on also not two thousand and eight. I was in Zagreb Croatia and went to the Zagreb City Museum alone when I arrived I was surprised. By how many security personnel they had. As I started walking through the museum. I heard a guided tour in English behind me and decided to join. Even though I didn't pay for a tour I tried to blend in but I was dressed casually and the members of the group were all in suits. I quickly figured out. They were Australian by their accents but couldn't figure out why they were constantly being photographed about ten minutes into the tour. I noticed they all were holding folders saying official delegation of the President of the Australian. Senate the honorable John Hogg to the Croatian parliament turns out. I accidentally infiltrated diplomatic mission. Hi Name is Jill. And I'm seventy two years old. I live in New Jersey but grew up on long island. My sister and I loved playing outside. We did it every day every spring when the other kids were having Easter Egg. Hunts my mother would allow us to plant popsicle sticks in the front flowerbeds amazingly enough. The next morning there was candy. Growing where the sticks had been. We'd have things like lollipops and liquorice growing in the front flowerbed The magic of disbelief. Hey there mark. I'm forty five years old. I'm from Springfield Massachusetts. And my grandfather used to tell this joke and he loved yanking little kids chains with this joke. He would say hey. Hey Sonny why? He didn't really say sunny but he'd say hey. Mark if a plane crashes on the border of Texas and Oklahoma. Where do they bury the survivors? And I would think. Oh my God this. Is this deep legal question Texas Oklahoma Texas Oklahoma? What if it's on the border who has jurisdiction and I would guess something and then he would say? Now listen to me say it again. Where did they bury the survivors? And I said I don't know where they buried the survivor. And then after about twelve times through he would say you don't bury the survivors. You bury the dead. That was my GRANDPA's idea of a sense of humor. So far have held off using that on my own children. But I'll have to break down eventually. We we become what we will become. This is John Thais Twenty eight years old from Fountain Valley California and I have a story about my great great grandfather. He was an Armenian genocide survivor. And also fleeing the Russian revolution and on the boat to Ellis Island Hughes with Noshkin Ozzy Jewish man probably from Russia. Probably fleeing the same things. Same type of things. At least the man gave him a keeper and said here where this Yarmulke nobody will try to cheat out of your money. So I'd say that was one of those instances of using stereotype. Your advantage My great great grandfather eventually ended up getting a job at the Gary Steel Mills years later. So yeah there's a fun little story about my family. My name is Eric from forty one. I'm living in Hawaii and my wife at work. The other day was offered some soup and in the soup Was Some Ham and my wife said. I'm sorry I can't have that and the person said well. Why can't you have that in? My Wife said well. Jewish to which. That person responded. That's sad and we got a good laugh because we knew what she meant sad that she couldn't eat ham not sad that she was Jewish in the woman immediately apologized but we thought it was pretty funny Hi Orthodox. It's your producer. Saraf Redman eater. I wanted to share the stories. That have been passed down in my family about cow. My grandparents met my father's parents. My Saban Safa were from different worlds. He a country bumpkin she sophisticated New Yorker though they went out a couple times. She wasn't interested and she sent him home. He drove all the way from New York back to Peoria Illinois as he walked in the door. He heard a message from her saying that she changed her mind and he got right back in that car and drove all the way back to New York and the rest is history. My beans eighty have a little bit of a Feistier tail. They were at a wedding. And my buddy fell down the stairs she saw Ms Etienne and humiliates. She said Oh did you see me fall. He answered no but I heard you. My name is Soobee Turner. I am forty nine years old. I grew up in Los Angeles. I currently live in Phoenix Arizona. And one thing that is unique about my life. Experience is that After I gave birth to my twin boys I suffered multiple complications and ended up in the ICU in critical. An unstable condition They weren't sure if I was GONNA make it and I had a three year old daughter at the time due to Lots OF PERSEVERANCE. On the part of my husband and some wonderful medical care in Israel and lots of prayers and thoughts and Hellum and all that kind of stuff. I made it through and here. I am Twenty one years later. Thank God every birthday is a gift. I'm a name is Joanna. I'm twenty nine years old. I am originally from New York Long Island New York but I'm currently living in Houston Texas. It's very funny that I ended up in Texas. Because apparently my family roots action started in El Paso according to Family Lore. My great great great grandmother grew up in. El Paso didn't know she was Jewish and had to escape an abusive situation and mother said go up to New York Mary. Nice Jewish man They'd been hiding their Judaism and so she went up to New York. Marry Nice Jewish man. And it's very funny that I now have ended up back in Texas. This has been McCormick. Forty-nine of Virginia Beach Virginia almost twenty years ago. My family and I- converted to Judaism together. My wife are two sons ages. Eight and nine and our daughter who is just a few days under two? When we went to the boys and I went first we made our dunks may appropriate blessings and we moved on with no excitement other than the natural excitement of the day in my wife and daughter go in the boys and I are waiting in the outer room and we hear the wife Dunk and make her blessings and then my daughter goes in and immediately starts crying out to our rabbi helped me Babai helped me Babai. Because she was convinced that the whole family had lost their minds and he was the only one left who could save her to this day. Twenty years later she still occasionally caused the rabbi Babai. Hi there my name is Rena. I'm from Tro Canada. A naive acute story about my husband's grandfather Oliver Shalom so he served in World War. Two and he served any strictly Jewish regimen in the army and his friends and his platoon mates. They had a army chant and he remembered this Chan- even as his mind started to go from dementia quite late in his life. And I have such a wonderful memory of sitting with my husband brother and they'd hold his hand when he was a little out of it and goes eighties. Eighty say it with US izzy. Ab Iky Sam. Where the boys who eat no ham and he would say that Almost eventually died. I thought it was really cute. Hope everyone stink safe. Name is Nancy matters feeling. I'm seventy one years old I'm from Sitka Alaska and I currently live in Dharamsala India Ooh

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