17 Burst results for "Virgil Ortiz"
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
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"I'll still be losing us to be losing the fine I go into this network that has no platform that has no experience and fighting on the zone finally on ESPN. Those are well experienced platforms and also sometimes the viewership kind of make up and come and see some of that money as well too you know because I'm an entertainer and I want to showcase my talent to the most people. What do you think Jose? Let me ask you this. What do you think of what's happening with you right now is getting compared to what Virgil Ortiz did, who is represented by the same manager as you and all this. And your manager seemed fine with Virgil Ortiz taking 25% of a split. And he's in a kind of a similar situation that he's the well-known guy. He's got the major backer behind him. He's going to be selling tickets in Texas for that fight. He's only getting guaranteed like half a million and it sounds like golden boy and maybe it's the network too is going to kick in a little extra cash to make sure he gets there like is that my question for you is should top rank not do that for you? Should ESPN not do that for you to make a big fight happen? That's the difference with our golden ball golden bowls and the zone are stepping up and to making sure they're just treated perfectly and that's 25% does not equivalently
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
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"You know, Spence has been a welterweight his entire career Crawford obviously moved up from lightweight in one world titles at 35 and 40 before he got to a welterweight. So he hasn't been a welterweight for his whole career or anything, but you can't, you know, it's got to be hard for el Spence, particularly because he's made the mistake of blowing up and wait between fights. It can't be easy for a guy who's 32 going on 33 years old to make that weight. He's 5 9 and a half, 5, ten, whatever he is and, you know, it can't be easy at that point. So hopefully sooner than later, they would that fight would happen. Let's just hope they keep winning and at least there's the possibility of that fight because I would favor Ennis, of course, but a fascinating fight. Virgil Ortiz is a beast. Offense. A lot of offense out of Virgil Ortiz offense and skill out of Jerome and it's an unbelievable fight for both those guys. Credit to your point, credit Spencer, being able to make welterweight this long. Guy fought the Olympics at one 52. He's been at one 47 for his entire pro career. Yeah, I don't blame him at all for wanting to move up and wait. So I do think by the middle of next year, last quarter of next year, winner of Ortiz standing onis will be the full title holder there, boots will be a full-time IVF and then hopefully saner minds can prevail and we're not doing this all over again at welterweight. All right, let's finish with the fight you're at. Terrific fight. Frank Martin, Michael Rivera, two guys undefeated. Martin is what, 27, Michael Rivera is 24. They're both contenders. Surprised we're getting this fight. This is a great fight for people like you and me that watch these guys coming up. It doesn't have the broad mainstream appeal. It's the kind of fight that to borrow a bob arum phrase that promoters would let marinate under different circumstances. Let me ask us, why are they fighting? I don't want to, I'm not poo pooing it because I'm glad it's happening, but why are these two guys fighting right now at this stage of their career?
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"virgil ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"There's a rematch with Brandon figueroa, which I think people would really want to see. And I think that's more the direction he's going to wind up going. And you know what? In terms of which fight I think is more aesthetically pleasing. I actually think aqua dalia begins in a way would be a better television fight. Aqua dalio is a talented guy who can crack. And I think he'd be aggressive, I think he'd throw some punches. I think he would really test in a way in a fight. So I kind of hope that in a way gets a fight early next year, akhmad gets a fight and then middle of next year we get those two guys clashing for two versions of the 122 pound title. All right, a couple of things I want to finish with. We had a purse bid just a couple of days ago for Virgil Ortiz and standing on his golden boy, surprisingly to me anyway. They want that purse bid. 2.3 million, 1.7 of which, standing onus gets because of some interesting rule by the WBA to give 75% of the purse bid to standing on us. It sounds like this fight's gonna get made. Probably in late February or early March, are you surprised that we're going to get a fight between two guys that are outside of Spencer Crawford at or near the top of a 147 pound division? Somewhat surprised because you would expect that Stan Uranus would have tried even though he's kind of sort of a PVC fighter. He's staying in the PBC universe. You know, you would think he would do that. And they did try to do that. I mean, there was a while when Jaron Ennis was convinced that he was the one who was going to fight Stan Jones, in my opinion, that's an unwinnable fight for stanis as good as he proven to be. I think Virgil Ortiz will beat him as well, but I do see some vulnerability in Virgil Ortiz that I have not yet to see in jeron Ennis that leads me to believe that Samuel has a better chance to win that fight than he would if he would have fought Ennis. It's a good fight. Look, in this case, it's probably one of those instances Chris where the WBA's nonsense actually created something positive because we would not use Daniel and his fight Virgil Ortiz and N Ortiz has fought cavalca see how these thoughts of decent opponents, but this would probably be the best opponent of his career. Would be the best opponent of his career. It's an undefeated guy who looked very good against who's strong and can punch and it's a good fight. So I hope it happens. And Virgil Ortiz is getting the short end of the money, but it's about the opportunity. Although this WBA title should not exist, it gives him some leverage and his own pursuits of welterweight title shots. And you know, I think a lot of people hope because
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"virgil ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"To get the big names, but he didn't specify that it was Spencer bust. That's kind of what it's got to be. I mean, I don't know what turns Crawford would do. At least not at one 47 after this. Does he look for the winner of Virgil Ortiz standing onis? Does he challenge boots Ennis? Like, I don't see those as being the kind of money making fights that Spence will be. Do you foresee it being difficult to restart those talks and get past whatever it was, they needed to get past the last time. I do see it being difficult Chris and the reason primarily that I see it being difficult is because of the way Terrence Crawford went about finalizing this deal with avenging. Had he gone to Al hayman, and I understand the flip side Al hayman is the most secretive guy in he never speaks to the media. People don't know what's going on behind the scenes. People are mistrustful for whatever reason about what's going on with PBC and such, but PBC is the tractors. I mean, so I understand they're going to say, well, why does he owe that to Al hayman? I just think it would have been better business for Terrence Crawford to have told Al hayman look. I told you from the beginning I was getting in a fight this year, for whatever reason, this fence fight is not happening this year, I am going to fight before the end of December. I have this deal for the fight David avenue for an enormous amount of money based on what type of opponent he is. I'm going to move forward with this fight. Hopefully we can revisit the negotiations after I go beat him up, but he didn't do that. He, Al hayman didn't really know that he was fighting David avene until a couple hours before anyone else knew. So that's not a way to build trust within what's already from Crawford's perspective, a mistrustful partnership, so to speak. You know, I just don't, I don't know how they go, I'm not saying they can't. But it won't be easy because now Heyman is going to be very mistrustful of Crawford. So, and Crawford clearly is mistrustful of Heyman. So I don't know. I don't know what the answer is, but I don't think it's going to be just as easy as Errol Spence fights.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
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"I mean, David aveni seems a good fighter, but he is going to be lunch meat against aerospike. He is going to go out there and try to brawl and arrow Spence is going to put him down. This is going to end badly for David avenue. So if you're aero Spence and you really can get 10 million plus to fight him, I understand it. My problem with all this is that I think this was the final nail in the coffin for Spence versus Crawford. It sure sounds like Errol Spence, who has spent like a decade or more fighting at a 147 pounds who was in the Olympics at a 150 plus pounds is done with welterweight. He wants to move up. There aren't great fights available to him if Crawford isn't. He's not going to fight standing on us. I don't see that happening. He clearly doesn't want to fight Keith Thurman and like the mandatories out there boots Ennis, Virgil Ortiz potentially. He's not going to fight either one of them.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"virgil ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"I don't know. I mean, I don't spend a lot of time around Gennady Golovkin other than fight weeks and everything. I have no reason to believe he's a bad guy per se. But. He's promoting the fights too, right? It's the positive drug test stuff. Like he shows up at grand arrival and said, I want to clean sport in fairness. Why shouldn't he? Because the bottom line is, once you have that stain on your record, it doesn't go away. And some people are willing to forget it, and some people aren't. And if I'm risking my life against this guy three times, I'm not forgetting it. And the other thing is, he knows it gets under his skin. So he's going to continue to do it because he knows he's pissing him off. So if you know you can get a rise out of someone like that and intensely dislike that person, why wouldn't you do it? In fairness to golovkin. Whatever the excuses, Mexican street meat, whatever they've come up with. The bottom line is he failed two drug tests before he was supposed to fight Gennady Golovkin the second time. That's indisputable. And if I'm gonna add a golovkin, I'm not letting that go. And he's most certainly not at this point. And it's certainly fair play by him. All right, a couple other things I want to hit you with before we go. ESPN on Thursday, reporting that Terence Crawford aerospike, materially agreed to terms on a deal. This has been something that has been reported on for over a month now at this point. They're getting closer to getting closer, getting closer. Should we get excited at this point for November 19th? Spence against Crawford, do you believe we're at that proverbial 5 yard line? Look, I think they're going to fight November 19th. I've thought that all along. I just think that there's too much money at stake for both guys, the alternatives are Crawford or not great. The alternatives for Spence are not what are going to be palatable for the public, but they're better than what Crawford's options are. Thurmond being thurmond is a known fighter and people to see them fight. And people have wanted to see them fight for a number of years, although Thurman's deteriorated a little bit. So he has more options than Crawford. So I just always kind of thought that Crawford eventually is just going to whatever whenever they get to the point where it's like either now or never. He's going to accept the deal just because even if he has to take less of a percentage or take less of a guarantee or whatever, all the things that have been hanging up the deal, the rematch percentages, all of that stuff, right? He would eventually just accept what he had to accept. One because he thinks he's going to beat Errol Spence, of course. Two, because he's going to make less than a third. To fight anyone else, and then who is he fighting? All the rest are Virgil Ortiz? Well, that's the thing. All the rest of the welterweights, the relevant welterweights for the most part are with PBC. Now boots Ennis is not with PBC, but Terrence Crawford is not going to fight boots Ennis if he's not going to fight Errol Spence Jr.. So the alternative probably is Virgil Ortiz, who is his mandatory, that's a tough, I'm not saying Crawford. A lot less money, which is, in my opinion, if he fought Virgil Ortiz tomorrow, he would win, but it's a dangerous fight, and for a lot less money.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
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"I think both those guys need to be unified champion 100% knockout ratio. Okay, but so Virgil Ortiz has a 100% knockout ratio. They're Devin Haynes of pound for pound or is the underwear? He's not a champion yet, better be of his unified champion with the other one. I'm saying Devin Haney is a 135 pound undisputed. So you say he should be on a list or no. No. He's right outside of it. 11 or 12. Like I said, because I'm not going to take out Josh Taylor. I'm not going to take off a beetle, and I'm not going to take off who was the other one. Better be of, was it? And I certainly am not going to take out better bit. That would probably be my number ten. Better bib. Yeah. And guess what? He's what? 37 years old. Seniority manics. It matters. Yes, it does matter, because you're old. All right, let's jump into some of these Instagram questions that we got for this. Let's start with Mike. Well, tank Davis fight a top 15 guy in December. Am I getting paid overtime for this? Yes, you are. What was the question? Will tank David? A top 15 guy in December. That's what he's scheduled for. Come on, man. Tank Davis is already who he is. They're promoting them to make money, not promoting them to be great. And you got to appreciate that as a businessman. You got to appreciate the fact that this kid doesn't mind making millions of dollars fighting people that aren't on the championship level. He's knocking them out. He's popular. He's a millionaire and Mayweather promotion is, you know, they're going in the right direction. Okay, you don't have a fan as a fan. I hate when you do this. I hate when you divide yourself into three parts, like fan boxer promoter. Like just be yourself. Answer the question. I am being myself. And I said, no, he's not going to fight it. Well, I think look, Esau Cruz fights this weekend. Certainly possible he fights his soccer in a rematch that nobody really wants to see. I don't know who else is out there between a 130, a 140 pounds for him. Like it's not a big section of weight classes for PBC. And it's just a bad look. Like the Ryan García negotiators are dead, they've moved on. Ryan's moved on. Everybody's moved on. I don't believe that fighting. And that's the reason people get upset with Garcia because they think that he cries wolf a lot. You know, the fact that he cried wolf? You hear tank Davis? He's not calling anybody out. No, the fact that this is willing to fight tank Davis is saying, I'll do this. I'll do that. I'll do that. But then it never happens. It's not his fault. No, it's not his fault. That's the point. It's just the politics and the business of the game. But I love the fact that he's doing that. It's tank Davis is not doing it. Hank David is not calling anyone out. He never he never says I want this man. I want that one. Devin Haney does. Ryan García. Should you? Should tank Davis be calling guys out? Yeah, because you know what, at this point of his career, even though everything's going good for him, people want more than that. They want a hero, you know? They want someone to get it inspired by. And then he's not inspiring anyone at this point. He's making a lot of money. And selfishly, he's doing the right thing.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
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"All right, Virgil Ortiz is here welterweight contender. He is back in the ring on Saturday, which takes on Michael mckinson, that's a fight you can see live on his own. First fight. Have you ever had this much time off in between fights? No, and it sucks. 'cause I like to stay fighting. What's a Ben like kind of sitting out going through everything that you've gone through? What's that been like for you? I'm not gonna lie. So it's a little depressing, you know, because it's like, how do I say this? You know, I don't want to compare it to the great depression where everyone no one's working and all that stuff. But that's kind of what I guess I had a little taste of it. You know, I'm just at home. I feel like a bomb, I'm not doing anything. I'm used to working hard and working hard every day, and when I go from that and just not fighting for a whole year, I feel like I'm not doing anything. I feel like I have no purpose. So it was really hard. Just so people would think that, oh, that's a lie. You're not doing nothing you're just staying home, but it's a hard thing to go through and you know you're supposed to be doing something. Yeah, 'cause people knew you as a 7 day a week kind of workout guy. Like you want to be back in action as much as men must have been really tough to have to sit on the sidelines to deal with your issue with the medical issue and then get back into the flow. Yeah, I mean, you basically said it. So it's just, I'm very happy to finally be stepping back into the ring. You know, even all this stuff I missed it. You know, I'm genuinely happy to leave my house right now and to be doing this stuff. So clarify for people exactly what happened before the last fight because when it was revealed, your diagnosis. You had people like me too, going on WebMD to try to figure out what exactly your illness was. Yeah, so I'll tell you what people thought it was. People thought that by weight was too high and I'm over here trying to lose it too much and I had too much weight to lose. That wasn't it. People thought I was on steroids, you know? That was obviously that's not it. You know, I'm picking up in bed. I'm in that stuff. And I don't need to take it. Natural power, I guess, but so with the story was so it's no secret that I was going to chat with vanilla.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
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"All right, finally, on the undercard of this show is what I think is going to be the best fight of the show. 440 pound champion going up against Blair, the flair cobbs in a welterweight fight, Sergio. This is exactly what an undercard fight should look like. You've got a crossroads fight between two guys over the age of 30 who are looking to get back in contention. Both these guys coming off knockout losses for hooker, it was a year plus ago against Virgil Ortiz for Blair cobbs, more recently, against Alexis Rocha, the winner will get right back into the welterweight picture for a big fight. The loser probably done as a high level fighter or at least a contender in the 147 pound division. What do you think of this fight? No, not probably. They are. They are because they realize not only especially if they lose by another knockout. Yeah. There's phases in a fighter's career and they're in their 30s already. They already experience what it's like to fight a formidable opponent. It's not even championship level. Alexis Rocher wasn't a championship fighter yet, but he got, it was a hell of a fight, Blair cobbs, he put on a good show, there were the main event, but he came up short and got stopped by a guy that has been proven himself on the championship level either. So you already got stopped by someone that's not that was hooker, at least got stopped by champions. He has amateur pedigree. He's already picked up a strap, and he's only lost to really hard punches. Ramirez a beast, you know? So Virgil Ortiz, a future beast, and he's proved that on the championship level 'cause he's been former champions Ortiz has. So that's why I got a favorite Maurice hooker in this fight. The technique, the long jab, the 80 inch span in order to get past that. And then the body shots for a tall fighter. Very good body. Excellent body punching. Yeah, I just think it's gonna be too much for our flare. A Blair flair because cobbs has a bad, a bad thing about leaving this chin up. And it cost him with Rocha. You know, once the fight starts getting into the later rounds, his technique goes out the window and it's gonna catch him in this fight as well.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"virgil ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"And he's not a PBC guy. So there are some concessions that he's going to probably have to make, I guess, as long as he gets the type of money he's looking for, maybe her overlook those things. But he's not a PVC guy, right? But he wants to make the fight. And the reason I say he's not really operating from a position of strength is because what is he going to do, he's going to be 35 years old in September. He really wants this fight now. He's finally in a position where he's not under contract with top rank. He can go make this fight if he wants to make it. And what is he going to do if he doesn't fight Errol Spence next? Because he doesn't have a promotional contract, could he find Virgil Ortiz? Sure. But why would he do that? He will make a lot. There is some risk. I think turns Crawford beats Virgil Ortiz and we know he's a young, powerful puncher. I think Terrence Crawford at this point still on the verge of being 35 years old, still beats Virgil Ortiz. But there's not a ton of money in that fight and certainly not as much money as there is in an arrow spent junior fight. So there is some risk involved, some significant risk. There's not nearly as much reward. And then what else is he going to do besides fight arrow Spence if he doesn't fight Virgil Ortiz, right? Oh, he could move up to a 154 pounds. Well, the fully unified 154 pound champion who has all four titles fights for PBC. So that's not, you know, that's not an option either. You're in the same position. Without that really having the fight that you actually wanted. So he's in a position where, you know, again, not a position of weakness, but not in the strongest position either. So if he's going to have to make some concessions, I think, to make the fight. So supposedly he's willing to do that. And look, Chris, this fight is such a high level fight that it's being played close to the vest. Yes, some information is trickling out what's playing pretty much everything close to the vest. They're not leaking out details that this is not a public negotiation by any stretch. What I keep being told is making some progress and that get vague answers for the most part I'm getting vague answers, right? Because they don't, and that's generally how the biggest of deals get done, right? They're not out there talking about you might get some information here and there. But not specifics, right? So they're at a point where they still have some time to make the fight. I think both guys want it. Interestingly, Chris, I was in San Antonio a few weeks ago. Errol Spence promotes Frank Martin Frank Martin fought in the showtime, opener that day. Or that night. And I talked to arrow after the fight and he said, look, I don't really want to take the spotlight off of Frank Martin, I'm here to promote him. So I don't want to talk about it really on the record. Well, if I joking with him, I said, the fight happening or not. He goes, he goes to fights happening. He goes, you know, the dates and flux a little bit. You'll see which data actually is, but I'm confident the fight's going to happen. That's exactly that was three weeks ago and we're still no closer probably to the fight being done. But that's what he said.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"virgil ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Durant and boxing? The summer's just evaporated on me. But we are at the end of July. Good fight still ahead of us though, Danny Garcia fighting this weekend. You've got Virgil Ortiz back. Next weekend, they're a little bit further down the line. Anthony Joshua, a huge heavyweight matchup against Alexander usyk. My guest this week Keith I keep probably thinks I'm going to talk right off the bat about the flirtation that we saw this week between Jamaal Charlotte and Demetrius Android. But Keith, I promise. No discussion of Android Charlotte. I have exercised that from my mind and I am not going to get invested, especially since I texted someone that would know something about who said there's nothing to it. So I'm leaving that alone. One thing I would say is that I was told that after Demetrius Android parted ways with matchroom, Al hayman was among the people that his people spoke to. So there was some sort of opportunity there for him to join PC. I don't know how close they came exactly, but he wound up signing with Dimitri solita. And seems like he wants to fight Chris eubank, but if there was ever an opportunity for the fight that you've wanted to see, your whole life, Chris Maddox, I think it's gone. Don't tease me with that Demetrius Android talk to PBC stuff, Keith. I'm not prepared for that. I'm just not. That this would. He's not going to get Chris eubank, by the way. I don't know if Chris eubank Connor Ben comes together. I know they're hopeful. They can find a way to make a deal over in the UK, but in the event that Chris eubank does not face Connor Ben, he ain't fighting Demetrius Android. That's just not happening. So it would be in an Android Charlotte. It would be a good fight for Demetrius Android at this point based on what it is options are because he would make good money to go over here to fight eubank. But any other thing before we move on to what we're actually supposed to talk about, I know eubank Connor Bennet is a huge fight in the UK for obvious reasons. That's a pretty tall order for Connor Ben who's a welterweight moving up to I know they will fight at a catch weight and everything, but Chris eubank is much bigger than him. I agree. And this wasn't on my list of things to talk about because it's not a fight that's been made yet and they still seem to have some obstacles to overcome, but, you know, Eddie Hearn, I was reading boxing scene this week. Eddie Hearn had some comments he made over in the UK about how this is not a cash out fight for Connor Ben.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"virgil ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"As I speak Keith, is it crazy to think of like Eddie luring Pacquiao to the UK to fight Connor Ben? Right, and obviously it would be a huge event in the UK. I mean, for sure. Yeah, we shouldn't discount him working with other promoters at this point either. But do not put him in the ring with whatever they do. Don't put him in the ring with you on Ennis. To a lesser degree Virgil Ortiz, but geron is Manny Pacquiao in a different country than Jordan. But don't don't you think this ends, it's going to end for him with him knocked out cold. Probably the only way this is going to be. It's unfortunate. We've already seen it, right? We saw it. We saw it almost ten years ago. He was not unconscious by Juan Manuel Marquez, and I remember tweeting that night. It's been a great career. And at that point, he was only 32 or whatever he was. I mean, 32 years old. I was like, man, that was vicious, and he's been through a lot of tough fights. Maybe that's enough. And then he came back and look what he did. So who knows, you know? I hope Freddie tells him not to do it. He won't, but I hope Freddy's always said like he'll tell him when it's time. It feels like it's time. And I think he's already told him that. And he ignored it. He ignored it. Don't work with him though. Do you really want to be responsible or partly responsible for him getting knocked out cold by one of these top guys at one 47? I don't know. I would. Connor bendo is interesting to me because Connor Ben has not been tested yet by a guy that could punch and I think that's purposeful. That'd be a fun fight in the UK. Pacquiao wasn't in the era necessarily of Nigel benn, but was closer to it than others. Fighting Connor Ben at one 47. You could develop a story around that and that would sell out Wembley to do that fight in the UK. That'd be a massive event. Yeah, no, I agree, Chris, bring Pacquiao over there and it would be a great way for Connor Ben, even though Pacquiao is 43 years old. Conor Ben beats him, it still takes him to another level, of course. There would be an enormous event. So that's not a bad idea. And he becomes more mainstream in the U.S., which he's not right now. As big as he is in the UK and growing in the UK, nobody casual really knows him in the U.S.. That's a fun fight. See, look at us. We're creating. Tell your people over there at the zone. Make it happen, you know? Anyone can do it. Wow. We'll end it with that, Keith. Keith, Keith edict, read his stuff over at boxing scene dot com follow him on Twitter at idec box and Keith. I will Amazon you some socks for your appearance. I don't want those fruit and a loom underwear. Don't send me that cheap stuff, you know? Absolutely not. All right, man, I'll talk to you soon..
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"virgil ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Are you willing capable and medically able to make that weight and be effective? If the answer is yes, then give it another go because like you said, he's in a position where he's, I think he's number one in the WBA rankings where he's, you know, in a position to be in a world title fight at some point in the very near future. If he goes to one 54, that process probably doesn't start entirely over because he does have credibility from what he is doing in recent fights at welterweight where he's just blitzed everybody and not elite elite competition, but pretty solid guys for the last couple of years. Remember, he was when he started out for the first several years of his career. He was a jeer welterweight. And then he ended up moving up to welterweight. He really hasn't been a welterweight for all that long. So, you know, I respect Bernard Hopkins opinion a lot and he certainly is around Virgil Ortiz from the standpoint of involved in terms of his promotion. So if that's something that Bernard said, you have to take that seriously. But again, I think it's totally going to be up to Virgil Ortiz and his closest people involved in his career, mainly his father and his management. To be honest with themselves, can we do this? Is one 47 where we should be or should we try to go up to one 54? Look, he's had tremendous power at one 40 and one 47. It feels like I mean, you never know until you see them in action in the new weight class, but it feels like he's the kind of guy that's just a naturally heavy handed fighter that if he's fighting at one 54, he's still going to be able to punch very effectively. You know, and by the way, there's nothing wrong with when he comes back when he gets better and he's good to go. You don't have to go all the way to one 54..
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"virgil ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"In the Crawford. I'm talking about Virgil Ortiz, who is now an optional virtual going up to one 47, especially if you're going to be fighting a young up and coming fighter like Virgil Ortiz who hasn't matured into being a star yet. Once he is dangerous, we know he's the goods. We know he's going to be a star, but he's not there yet. But at one 47, the bouts are going to fragment some point, like Spence is going to go. Crawford probably will still be there for a while, but Ramirez already had the bounce. He wants the money. He wants to. He wants a big fight to know. He wants the big fights. I don't think he'll want to pick up bacon straps. What's a big fight? I guess TF fema was a big fight. He was a huge fight. A rematch with Taylor's a huge program would be a popular fight down south. That was good. For programs good. He's a big money fight. We do it at one 47 too. I think when it comes to Ramirez, after his first loss, belts don't matter. He wants the big fights and big money. Pedras is a lie dog in this fight. And I'm going to talk more about this on my pick segment of this podcast, but draws is a very live dog in this fight. All right, let's finish with the big one. Chocolate Tito against Martinez super flyweight. No titles on the line in this one, and nobody cares because you don't need a title on the line in a fight like this. Sergio, we were ringside a month ago when bam Rodriguez beat Carlos quadrant. That was a 112 pounder. Just up to a 112. Calling up to one 15 to face a veteran experienced highly successful 115 pounder in quadrants. How likely is it that we see a another and others another situation like that unfold in this fight on Saturday?.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"virgil ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Think that if we sit down and have a fair conversation, we can do it. And the zones willing to do it as well. The zones willing to do it, they're willing to discussions with the zone and they've talked about, you look, we're open to doing a collaboration with showtime or whoever they choose. We're fine with that. So there's no reason for the fight not to happen. If it doesn't happen, it won't be because of us. All right, Virgil Ortiz, who, again, had a terrific year established himself as a top guy with his wins over hooker than kavalas kiss to kind of be plus level guys in his division. What do you see for him in 2022? I guess beginning with who the hell is going to train him at this point? I think they have that figured out already. They have that figured out. So it's going to be fine. I still think he's one or two fights away. From being able to challenge an aerospace to being able to challenge a Crawford, or whoever it is, whatever fight presents itself first. He's a fighter to a way. If you really look at Virgil, I mean, we've moved Virgil pretty quickly. His last three or four fights have been really tough fights. So he. Is one or two fights away. But I mean, every test we've put in front of him he's passed. I mean, I love watching the progression and Virgil Ortiz. And he's just gotten so much better. So I think that he will have some sort of significant fight this year. This new year coming up. Hi, memoir. I was on board with the idea of bringing monkey along slowly at middleweight, but he's had what now. 5 fights at a 160 pounds. It feels like 2022 is the year. I know you guys are chasing golovkin, but I mean, who knows what happens with golovkin?.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"virgil ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"I mean he's shown as his fights have gone a little bit longer. Fifth sixth rounds. He's been just as strong justice. Powerful just as tough but kavalyauskas the type of guy that i mean look. He took turns crawford into the eighth round of that fight on. Say nine ninety nine around of that fight. He's he's a tough guy. If you can go nine rows turns crawford you should be able to go nine rounds of virgil ortiz. He dropped crawford. Hurt crawford didn't call that a game plan that fight like no no. No no no see. This is the thing. Kvass fought a patient fight. he wasn't throwing the punches. You normally throws. He wasn't aggressive because he he he gave a different. Look to crawford crawford was was you know turned off or switched off by that but then of course he turned it on once. He got rock. That's what champions do kavalyauskas tricky fighter. I mean he's a strong experience. Fighter has timing the number one thing with fighters that are strong and and our experienced like like. I've lost this timing. He has the power he has strengthened experienced two-time olympian..
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"virgil ortiz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Would admit that as well. He came to fight given a lot of credits. Marie soaker gave virgil ortiz. Clearly the toughest fight of his career. I liked out. Some of what i saw from virgil ortiz and again showed some vulnerability which makes fighters fascinating kid like that. Who so ambitious so good offensively so strong yet gets hit a lot and clearly can be hit gets marked up in nick up in a fight and everything he. He's gonna be really fascinating to watch move forward. I don't think necessarily that. He's ready to fight towns crawford not that that matters whether he's ready or not i mean he's going to call them out campaign for the fight which i completely understand but i don't think he's quite ready for that yet but But i wasn't pressed with the resilience that he showed in the fight. He he you were rings obviously christie saw you know. He had some difficulties with With a hooker in you know specifically the third or fourth round and i thought of the Yeah i liked what i saw in ortiz. I don't know if he's ready for crawford or not. I think we both know that that fights not going to happen next anyway. Top rank has a plan in place. I don't know what it is at this point but a plan. They say returns crawford in the spring and summer. But that doesn't mean there isn't a good fight available for virgil ortiz. I mean i you know in talking to people top rank you know. A fighter like kavaliauskas. The mean machine could be available to verge. Louis's the top rank doesn't really have anything for kavalyauskas if this point and that would be a credible step up type of opponent. Get alaska's is only lost two terence crawford and he gave crawford a pretty good fight On that night. So i think for ortiz. That is a pretty solid match up if you go internally i mean i kind of like what i saw from marcelina lopez on the undercard of ortiz hooker. I mean he's a strong guy and at the very least be a really entertaining fight for as long as it lasts so i think you'd get ortiz another fight in the summer and then we see where we're at. I mean you know. Like if i don't know what the situation is with crawford and top rank i do. It does seem to be that. According to crawford that specified just isn't going to happen so you have to look at options for him before the end of the year and ortiz could be one If there if the landscape remains as barren for crawford as it looks like right now. So i guess the bottom line is i wouldn't expect to see ortiz crawford next. I wouldn't rule out though potentially seeing it before the end of the year. It's interesting chris. Because crawford clearly needs a an opponent that is going to interest viewers. Right you wanna see him fight somewhat..