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Epicenter of pandemic shifts to South America
"Pandemic is taxing our mental health. Italians notice this. The irony is coping mechanisms. Themselves can lead to bad habits eating law and drinking law. It's not an healthy behavior. We use dysfunctional behavior to regulate our also loved or hated. Working from home is here to stay. I think we're seeing a once in a generation changed how people think about remote work and I think we will not see that she need go back into the bottle time to invest in a fresh pair of sweat pants and the US and China may be entering a new Cold War with some American politicians itching for a fight. Let me tell you. The men and women of Hong Hong are standing before their own Brandenburg Gate. Right now I'm Marco Werman the stories and more today you're on the World Memorial Day in the. Us is a day to remember those who have died serving in the military. It's an unusual holiday this year as we can help but focus on people civilian and military who are dying now. Nearly a hundred thousand Americans have died from covid nineteen in the past three months. That's more American dead than from the Vietnam and Korean wars combined that is grim. The encouraging news is the number of daily reported cases in the US appears to be slowing in South America. Though cases are spiking the World Health Organization says the disease epicenter has now shifted their Carolina bucky epidemiologist at Harvard's t h Chan School of Public Health. Thanks for being with us today. Caroline so China Asia Than Europe and North America Africa and now this very active infection rate in South America. When you look at the pattern of the geographic spread of this virus of the last five months. What does it tell you? Well I think the pattern of spread I reflects international connections with the original epicenter in China through air travel and so forth and then since then we've seen efficient transmission in communities beyond that so As you mentioned the number of cases in the US seems to be declining but that really reflects a shift from transmission in large cities like New York which were attached to the original epicenter through air travel initially and a shift into the central part of the country and into other communities that are connected differently so the Patton of outbreaks is following the pattern of migration around the world after the original epicenter in. Wuhan that shift that you just described from a urban to rural communities like here in the state says that duplicated itself and other countries to yes I think. Initially the epidemics was seen in the cities in capital cities. But then we saw a shift to the communities in rural areas. And I think one thing that happened that we've seen over and over again. Is that some of the lockdowns had the impact of moving people out of the cities to rural areas. So we had a kind of you know. Normally we have rural to urban migration and this epidemic has led to policies like travel restrictions which seemed to have shifted people from an sent his out to rural locations and that efficiently transmitted the virus to different parts of the country so that shift as well as the natural progression of people. Traveling around has led to this lag in more rural areas that are only just starting to see that epidemics taking off. President trump is stopping most airline travel from Brazil to the US due to travel restrictions. Like that make any difference at this point. Well I think we have such widespread transmission across the US that is local. I don't think that the travel restrictions are going to make considerable difference to that in meantime get used to best hygiene practices because it sounds like they're going to be around for awhile absolutely this is not this is not going away. The virus is in our communities and it spreads very efficiently so we have to get used to the fact that we need to change all contact patterns. It doesn't have to be a lockdown or nothing. We need to find ways to reduce contacts between susceptible and infectious people in our workplaces at leisure in homes and so on and those social distancing interventions are going to be with us for some time so Memorial Day weekend. It's the official. Start OF SUMMER. There's a patchwork of different protocols and different states for reopening As well as in countries in Europe like Italy on all trying to get back to some degree of normal. What are you most worried about at this point? I think the biggest concern is. That states are reopening without having sufficiently good surveillance to be able to monitor the epidemic. So what that means is if you if you can't monitor infections when they happen than what will happen is that the state will be reactive to for example a such in deaths from covid nineteen. And if you'll reacting to a surge in deaths than you're already behind the curve because deaths occurred three weeks after the infection that caused them so if states do not have sufficiently good surveillance in place. It means they will constantly be reacting too late to what's happening with transmission of the virus and once deaths assessing. You've already got very widespread transmission in your community so my biggest concern is that the valence systems. Necessary to really keep tabs on. What's happening with infections in the community on not sufficient right now and that means that states won't be able to change course if they need to and make sensible policy decisions based on evidence about what's happening in their communities. Caroline Bucky is in epidemiologist at Harvard. T H Chan School of Public Health. Thank you very much for being with us on this Memorial Day. Thank you thank you for having me. China is sending a strong message to Washington today. Stay out of our affairs. In Hong Kong this coming after both Republicans and Democrats threatened sanctions against Beijing over their new plan. Security Law for Hong Kong Beijing's Foreign Ministry today accused Washington of trying to harm China's national security mini-van fundraiser when Jansher Dinsdale. He buys spokesman a Zhao Legion accusing. Us of quote complete lies turning black into white and quote and he described Beijing's efforts in Hong Kong as fighting terrorism. This is just the latest salvo in a long running feud between the US and China Washington and Beijing have big disagreements over trade technology and territory in the Pacific but the atmosphere now has become downright toxic stirring up talk of a new Cold War as that takes hold. How bad could things get? The world's Patrick win reports. There's this buzzword among Chinese officials little Gen Suwa Cold War mentality being cheese them dense Louis. Lean who abandoned the cold? War Mentality says China's foreign affairs spokesman the US treating us like the Soviet Union. They say viewing everything that comes out of China as a threat to America like when trump talks about the corona virus. This is worse than Pearl Harbor. This is worse than the World Trade Center. There's never been an attack like this and it should have never happened. Could have been stopped at the source could have been stopped in China. So here we go again. The United States versus the world's number two power if this is Cold War Two point. Oh we should revisit the first Cold War. It was probably worse than what you learn in school. For starters. It was not cold at all. It was a Cold War for the two most powerful nations on earth the United States and the Soviet Union but for the rest of the role. That was anything but cold. It was it was hot and it was bloody and it was constant. Vincent Bevan's is the author of a new book called The Jakarta method. That's all about the Cold War not the war in Korea the Cuban Missile Crisis Vietnam. The parts everyone knows about but plots that were so well covered up that only now. Are we learning? Just how bad they were through. Declassified files like a us-backed mass murderer campaign that started in Asia and spread to Latin America in more than twenty countries. There was the intentional mass murder of unarmed civilians. Usually for being us or being accused of being leftist it started in Indonesia biggest country in Southeast Asia and back in the nineteen sixties. They had the largest communist party outside China and the USSR. The party wasn't that hard core. They didn't even have guns but they were popular. Here's one of their anthems a a west the CIA they told Indonesia's military wipe them out. We'll supply the guns even if someone's just a union killed in fact. Here's a list of WHO to kill the. Us provided material support monitored closely killing encouraged more killings and gave direction as to. Who took kill. You don't forget your putty up as we killed them as fast as possible dumped the bodies and went home so says one of the Indonesian killers in a documentary. Called the act of killing. One million people killed under a us-backed general named Suharto. Just to make sure a country. Ten thousand miles away was on team America. Then in South America something very similar to happen right wing movements in Latin America saw the extent to which the Indonesian massacre was a success. They saw that. Suharto got away with it. He joined the Group of nations that was favored by the most powerful country on earth the United States and they came up with their own programs. There were squads in Chile in Brazil. They spray painted. Jakarta is coming around cities between those two countries. Sixty to eighty thousand. Were murdered and presidents were ousted to. We're not talking about raging Stalinist. Either in Chile. Bevan says there weren't even communist leaning presidents liberal reforms presidents that carried out reforms that would be where within the Democratic Party might do in the United States. Okay so back to China of course. There are huge differences between the Soviets and modern China the US and Chinese economies are deeply interlinked and no one is saying Cold War Two point. Oh we'll have secret death. Squads the point is that the. Us has a history of overreacting to perceived threats like the war on terror yet some US politicians sound eager for a new Cold War. Here Senator Ted Cruz. Let me tell you. The men and women of Hong Kong are standing before their own Brandenburg Gate and the Communist Party in China is shivering in terror. The Brandenburg Gate was part of the Berlin Wall. Now about Hong Kong. This is the current flash point in Cold War Two point. Oh America cheering on protesters who are facing a very real threat. Beijing stripping away freedoms in the semi autonomous Chinese territory making it more like mainland China. More of a one party state. This has some prominent people in Hong Kong saying America. Please help us Jimmy. Lai Hong Kong media tycoon talking to Fox News the value of the West the of America. We are actually fighting the same war. Your new Cold War. We are fighting poverty because we share the same values with you. Your new Cold War that kind of talk really worries Christine Loh. It is so clear to everyone that there is a punch-up coming now And it will get worse in the coming months. Low is a former politician in Hong Kong. She thinks American intervention will just make things worse. Hong Kong isn't like Indonesia or Chile a third country away from the to Cold War combatants. It's literally a part of China and the Communist Party sees any. Us meddling as a huge deal. They are not going to stay silent. They're not going to just take punches without reaction. She also worries. Us politicians are competing to sound tough on China especially during this pandemic. Here's an ad from presidential candidate. Joe Biden Biden told trump. He should insist on. Having American health experts on the ground in China I would be on the phone with China and making it clear. We are going to need to be in your country. You have to be open. You have to be clear. We have to know what's going on. But trump rolled over for the Chinese. He took historically. It's not about whether the Soviets or communist China have done horrible things. Of course they have Cold War. Two point is also not just about Hongkongers right to protest. But here's the question will use escalation with China. Make things better. Here's Vincent Bevan's once again. It really bothers me when I see these kinds of operations being talked about in a cavalier way by people that don't know what these people went through so anyone wants to get all. Rah Rah about a new Cold War. He says they ought to. I really grapple with Al. Bloody the first one was for the world. I'm Patrick win. Then says been getting arrested for millions of tourists during this pandemic but it's not getting a break from climate. Change story is just ahead. You're with the world I'm Marco Werman. This is the world history was made in Israel. Yesterday is Benjamin. Netanyahu became the first Israeli prime minister to face trial before entering the courtroom. Netanyahu delivered a scathing speech accusing law enforcement agencies of attempting a political coup. A the Zohar move than it. Who Marrugo shown these investigations were tainted and fabricated from the start said Netanyahu and they are ending with an absurd and fabricated indictment. He continued joining me now. Is Professor Yuval Shendi Vice President of research? At the Israel Democracy Institute professor tiny gets up to speed if you would on the charges. That Netanyahu's actually facing so. Netanyahu is confronting three sets of charges bribery fraud and breach of trust and these correa significant sentence if convicted the first set of cases has to do with gifts that were given to Netanyahu. Wealthy people allegedly for intervening on their behalf on a number of economic projects in Israel. The second set of cases has to do with negotiations Netanyahu undertake in with the Israel's largest newspaper editor with view of changing the line of coverage of the newspaper is engaged with him in return of passing legislation that would limit the ability of other newspapers to compete with it and the third set of cases has to do with the exchange of regulatory favors again for positive media coverage by elite website that is owned by the country's largest telecommunication company. So how can Netanyahu remain in office with such severe allegations? That's a significant question ear in Israel and in effect three rounds of elections that we have just experienced the last year Were very much centered on this issue but the election outcome has been that is still able to stay in power now heading a unity government there has been a legal challenge to his ability to serve at the Supreme Court essentially said that the existing law in Israel does not preclude the service of a prime minister who hasn't been yet convicted on appeal. I was GONNA ask you. How will this trial? Impact the stability of the newly formed unity government and is there a point at which you'll have to step down from office so I think it's going to be very difficult partnership because the opposition party blue and white? Their remain election ticket has been criticizing Netanyahu and him for being corrupt and now they have joined. The government allegedly in order to protect from within the government the rule of law and to stand alongside core the prosecution service so this is not a very healthy marriage so to speak the power. Sharing agreement is flexible enough to accommodate the decision by Netanyahu. Step down for a while. Educate more time for his legal defense and then if a committed making a comeback Professor Shannon Donald Trump and. Benjamin Netanyahu are closed. I think about Netanyahu's appearance with Holocaust survivors. Yesterday the scathing speech before the start of the trial as Netanyahu become a more contentious leader since trump came to the White House. Definitely we have seen with Netanyahu from two thousand fifteen onwards. Quite a dramatic change. In the way he conducts himself up until then he was rather centuries candidate in many respects including with respect to the rule of law but after winning the election became much more aggressive and after the sentence of DONALD TRUMP. He did up sampled Donald Trump's tactics in terms of Extensive use of social media using very harsh language going very personnel against journalists law officials. So I think there has been some exchange of notes between Netanyahu when trump these each professor Yuval Shawnee Vice President of research at the Israel Democracy Institute. Thank you very much. Thank you very much in Venice Italy. The canals are clear for the first time in decades. It's a beautiful thing. Many locals have been saying at the same time. Those legendary waterways typically dropped thirty million people a year to Venice may be the city's downfall scientists say sea level rise and resulting floods will inundate Venice by the end of the century. Sarah Morocco reported on Venice's watery future for inside climate news. You started writing this report Sarah after terrible flooding in Venice in November of last year. What happened yeah? It was the clouds of November. The CD was really scared because the water was coming higher and higher as we know are two one meter and eighty seven sixty material. That's almost six feet deep yet. And many people were in the shirt to pray or the community was together. But also very scared India San Marco Square and around the city. So what is the connection between these floods at you witnessed and climate change the last one hundred years? We have just twenty three. Aqua is dot even high water events. Yeah Yeah I water events and the thirteen of these events happen in the last nineteen years so it's a strong signals that something that is happening right now. The area of Mediterranean will be strongly affected by climate change if the see is going to rise and rise ear by ear. We can't expect that that any gonNA survive much longer. So is the hope that Venice will stay above water like. Is there a plan to make that happen? There is a project Code Mos- and and this project is massive one to protect the city by in the future all the scientists I interview. They agreed that these is not definitive solution for the city. We have no solution for Vanclief. So I know you've argued that the lack of a solid plan in Venice is symbolic of Italy's response generally to climate change. Can you explain that in theory? Our nation has a declaration of Intent. About what we have to do for climate change in terms of policy-making of this season's and many things but in practical we don't have a real strategy. The country has decided deal today. How many money they want to put for a real plan for a real other optician? Strategy there is no strategic national plan. So yeah we are not. I think we are not ready to face climate change. Sarah you grew up going to Venice in the summers with your family. How does it feel to know that this treasure of a city in Italy's in serious jeopardy? Yeah we spent every summer in a place called the Carla that it's close to leniency so I'll have a lot of friends there. I can say that many friends of mine live the CD because they think they have no opportunity there every year. One Thousand People. Venice have no a real solution. I think will be impossible for many to survive a year by year. In this way a think they have to find another model for the city. Sarah Moras a reporter base and virus. Say Italy thank you very much for your time and for your reporting on this absurdity. We know you're busy and probably at home right now. So when the radius schedule doesn't fit your new normal you can always listen to the world on your own time. Subscribe to our latest edition. Podcast you can find us in your favorite podcast APP or at the World Dot. Org Slash podcast news. Headlines are next here on the world in Korea. They're having an old time musical renaissance big band tunes have become a hit with a K. Pop Twist in the old days trot was depressing but trot has become something that young people can relate to lighthearted fun and fast paced also working from home and loving it. We've got great news for you coming up on the world. This holiday weekend is usually. When we Americans usher in the start of summer staying away from others. That's just not how we spend Memorial Day. It is safe thing to do now though but the stress of being cooped up in isolated. We're all feeling that the World Health Organization is now warning of a looming mental illness crisis brought on by the pandemic. Italy is several weeks ahead of US dealing with the outbreak and is already dealing with mental health. Issues louder powder. Lean is president of the order psychologists in Lombardy one of the areas of northern Italy. Worst hit by the virus loud. I suspect based on what you've seen. This crisis is not looming. It's very real right now. Yes it is their face wade anxiety. Depression fear fear to be highly Fear to be lockdown or like sixty days so they. They are uncomfortable in stay home and some uncomfortable in going out of the home and we have seen an increasing level of inter familial violence so we have in Italy. We call like an emergency. We deemed emergency while. Obviously you don't have to be sick with covid nineteen to have psychological issues and I would guess. The families of patients may be dealing with grief or maybe guilt at surviving or. Are you seeing that as well? Yeah Dan facing grief to sudden-deaths by they did not have the chance to to to to funeral SAIPA. Yeah to say goodbye and this is a big problem because you can suffer more than you could suffer if you can give a goodbye to a person that you love that you care for so what we see. It's potential drama. Situation is going to show the ethics in the futures so we have to intervene soon and intervene. Now not waiting enough loud if I go by. My social media feeds. There are a lot of people joking about over eating and drinking too much during the lockdown. I'm glad people feel comfortable to talk about that. But what does that tell you about the community more widely? Well Okay in some ways aiding along that and drinking a lot. It's of course not unhealthy and behavior but in some way. Psychologists knows that we use dysfunctional behavior to regulate ourselves when we are like stress condition. And we need to lead us to saying that the head be mental as means rakings. People have been your said and letting professional psychologists had view the World Health Organization is also warning of a particular problems among children. What are the challenges they face? What has we know is protecting for mentally ill especially when you live in a contest that which is not safe so this situation has increased a lonely feelings. So what did they do at a using a PC video games? Virtual reality which in some ways could be a resource by chief day. Use only this insulin. Stupid communicate. It can be very dangerous for their emotional stability because some ways. It's not very useful to calm you down. So the point is I was telling you is that when we have faced with fear we need to unknown and try to move from fear to Yosemite because curiosity. It's a good feeling here is blocking your on. That's true for children to loud power president of the order a psychologist in Lamberti in northern Italy. Thank you very much. Thank you working from home. Can have its downsides. Sometimes my dog barks in the background and I have to react our guest a question. Sometimes the experts we interview have their attention on more than one thing. Sorry sorry just want one second and Oh okay for launch. Hermelin may maybe Megaton K. Some of the pitfalls of working from home problems at office workers the world over have suddenly encountered lots of businesses are trying to figure out how best to support and manage remote staff and their workflow hate and Brown is. Ceo of up work an online hiring platform for remote and independent professionals? She joins us from Santa Clara California. And what does the future of work look like to you? Is this a permanent shift towards Remote Work Michael? I think we're seeing a once in a generation changed how people think about remote work and I think we will not see that. Genie go back into the bottle once. This pandemic is over I'm just curious to know what the breakdown is of Manual Labor to office workers in the world. And you're in Silicon Valley. That's kind of office workers central. Yeah I think here in the valley a lot of folks are much more in the office but I. This has been where I think. We've seen a tide turning with so many of the Silicon Valley based companies that have had huge campuses and you know of a vibrant in office culture. Even Day are leading the way towards a very different landscape for work in offices in this in this region. What about the rest of the world? Though I mean I it's not really your your patch but I mean agricultural workers. They will never have this opportunity will they? Now I think there will be very different. Practices across. Different sectors of the economy and geographically is something that's available to everyone but at the same time I think even of workflows and communication collaboration that even farmers need to do to get their products to market. There's just a lot of things that will be done. Digitally going forward but certainly there are limitations on on which sectors and types of work can really adapt to that. I'm also thinking about as more people work remotely. What happens to office space? A company say has four floors in an office in London and with remote working company realizes they only need to floors that could potentially lead to a lot of empty commercial real estate. So what does that mean for commercial? Real estate is at the end of skyscrapers. I think that there will be still the poll of cities and urban environments particularly among younger generations in the workforce and so we will see some changes to the urban landscape. What would be wonderful is in really crowded cities like here in the bay area if we could redeploy some of that commercial real estate. That may be opened up to solve some of the really pressing problems. You've seen around housing as an example and homelessness and so. I think there is the possibility that we can just reuse some of these spaces for different purposes that do meet a variety of social needs. That have actually been really hard to address in the previous kind of era of in-office work. So there could be a silver lining. There I'm just wondering you know I think of countries that have been really good about social distancing and slowly getting back on track and then I think about the United States Do you see those countries that have been good at social distancing? Already kind of moving in to this new reality of work. I think that is starting to happen. And certainly even in countries that have started to open up ahead of us. I think everyone acknowledges that it's not back to work as normal and it's not back to the practices that were happening before the pandemic and a lot of that is still driven by cautiousness around health and safety concerns. But I do believe that as those concerns eventually are addressed people will have developed new habits. That again are not going to go away and they will be using these new tools of used. The new cultural practices inside of corporations for what is normal and how people communicate. I think those things are going to stay. Even as company countries are reopening as companies are bringing some workers. Back into the workforce in. It's a very gradual process. So there's a lot of time for people to be building these skills and finding these new ways of Working Hayden Brown. Ceo OF UPWARD. Thanks very much for being with us. Thank you Marco. A lot of people have found dancing to be a great way to unwind at home. Your family and HOUSEMATES I. Hope are more forgiving than your co workers and your annual Holiday Party when things were tough during the Great Depression in Nineteen Thirties America. That's when people turn to the Fox Trot in South Korea. They've got their own version of trot music. It's a uniquely Korean style folk music dating back to the nineteen forties as Kelly casula reports from Seoul Trot. Is having something of a resurgence? I'm walking my dog in the part when I run into GRANDPA blasting some tunes from his phone for anyone living in South Korea Trot. Music is immediately recognizable. But it's not just for older folks. These days a power walking college student tells me why or have in the old days trot was depressing heavy and dark but trot has become something that young people can relate to its lighthearted fun and fast paced. Not that many years ago trot was definitely still seen as old people music John Lee as a writer on Korean politics and society and says he's a big time trot fan reason for generations disease or generation is Revived interest in musical genres not so much nostalgia. But rather because their favorite singers Starting to get John Roswell look. Here's Chungbuk from the K pop supergroup bt S. Doing a truck cover song. It's an example of the sub-genre called Semi Trot. The traditional version. Sounds more like this. The style really caught on in the nineteen fifties after the Korean War It was a way for people to express their sadness and sense of loss on. Here's John Lee again there. A lot of songs about separation families being separated up because of the war people Calling off the number one. Don't own ooh. In the nineteen sixties and seventies trump music became more romantic danceable in Kinda cheesy. At that time South Koreans were living under a military dictatorship and any music considered counterproductive to the regime. Could be banned unofficially. They will also going at the songs that they felt for Counterproductive to the government's propaganda. So happy music was also patriotic e. Tek Wong a Professor at Columbia University tells me that trump artists were also influenced by South Korea's booming economy grizzle. Don't turning to the all That they started off singing about missing their rural hometowns said well but eventually trot became part of urban life and artists saying about making it big in the big city cocoon on forty two little boredom. Boredom cut it up. Isa's young people from the Trot generation recalled modern girls and modern boys engineer. In some ways he says Trot helped give birth to K- PAS on got too much feature unique. You'll chickens sooner married couple living just outside of Seoul. They're in their early thirties and say they're all about trout music. It's great for Kariuki. And it's fun to dance to. And they say their three year old boy loves trot too the world. I'm Kelly Casula in Seoul another musical note for you today about a very specific genre. The music that airlines play when you board the plane you may notice these highly branded tunes in trips pass but today's studio director. Jonathan dire shirt has JD. Explain yourself yes so I was thinking. This is the weekend that so many people would fly someplace kicking off the summer travel plans and it made me nostalgic for getting on a plane an hair the music they play when you bought particularly if you're flying internationally and I thought I know that's what we'll do on the big travel day. All would have been the big travel day all the instant music you've been hearing on the show today it's aligned. Boarding music. Well all that comes to mind is Gershwin's rhapsody in blue on united or smooth jazz My to stop. Stop. Don't that so long. Many the airlines especially the Middle East once. They actually think very carefully about how reflects them brand whether from whether taking people to choose composes who work on film. Schools are other big pieces because remember these things. They didn't some music sometimes. They can go for an hour so what makes for good boarding music well in my copious preparation for this. I probably have prepared for this customer. That body music does three things number one. Is it tells you that you're traveling somewhere that gives you a sense that this is something special? It's not my own backyard number two for the people who are turning left when they boarded the plane with lifelock badly. Champagne it says. Welcome to the SPA. Would you know? Would you like a Cana pace? Then there's that's what the melody usually does then this precaution which does third thing and this is for the people turning right to the back of the bus. It says find seat thirty to be still your back to the down and do not recline who knew boarding music was so class conscious. The world's Jonathan Dia resigned to staying safe at home but with traveling music in his head. Thanks a lot. Jd Thanks Memorial Day in the US. The data honor the men and women who have died while serving in the armed forces like so many things now this year. The holiday is a lot different far. Fewer parades in the age of social distancing. Now that many public ceremonies to remember the fallen. Some traditions are continuing just going. Virtual the annual concert on the National Mall in Washington for example live streamed. Now you can see. Different are so many things for all of us these past few months for everyone's health and safety this year we're not centrally located with a live audience in Washington. Dc there were some in person traditions. That continued turn this morning. The president laid a wreath at the Tomb of the unknown soldier at Arlington National Cemetery. The cemetery was closed to the general public and the president gave no address there. There was this sadly familiar sound last Monday. In May is America's Day to honor the military who died in many other parts of the world though that data remember the dead comes in November November Eleventh Armistice Day marking the end of World War. One the agreement to lay down arms took effect during the eleventh hour the Eleventh Day of the eleventh month back in nineteen eighteen of course not all nations fought in World War One or the great wars. It was called back then in Japan. A national memorial services held on August fifteenth marking the end of World War Two in Nigeria January fifteenth commemorates the end of that country civil war back in nineteen seventy. Israel's date of remembrance is observed in late April or early May a solemn affair throughout Israel as siren blares marking the start of two minutes of silence. Cars pull over to the side of the road. People stop what they're doing and sit with their thoughts for a moment today. Stop what you're doing and remember why we take today off of work in school and however you're marking Memorial Day this year. Stay safe in these strange times. We're living through. Many of us are trying to find meaning prior to the pandemic Mexican singer Songwriter. Natalia love for God had been at a point in her life where meaning was what she was looking for. If you go by the Song of Hers Me Rayleigh John. The single offer new album laugher. Okada would say her center is music itself. It is Italia for guy joins us from her family's home in Veracruz. At first of all how are you? Are you staying safe? Yes yes thank you you know. We're very fortunate because we live in a in the countryside and the place we live in. It's it's there's many trees around us and there's no city so we're safe yeah peaceful. It helps a lot to be in a peaceful environment so Anatolia introduced to your music About twenty years ago with one of your first albums and that track Brusca own problem is still listen to it very poppy. Your sound has changed a lot in the last twenty years has your as your worldview also changed. Yeah I guess yes. It has changed. I think what has changed a lot also is the way I approach to music and how I liked to combine different things in music different influence on things that helped me to have the music that I make right now. Do you feel more invested now in Mexico traditional music. Yes you know like eight probably eight years ago. I started this journey of growing closer to traditional music to find a disconnection to all this music dot com see the Sunni. Zola's you're focused on on. Mexico is also reflected in your new album. Canto Puerto Rico. It's a memorial of sorts of the damage from the earthquake. That struck your country a few years ago. damage specifically to the Sun High Cultural Center in Veracruz where you are severe damage and proceeds from the new album will help benefits reconstruction. I gather what what does that center mean to. You is a lot since it's very important space for music for for the community. It's been working around twenty five years trying to perceive dim the music and the couture and all the traditional round. Some Harajuku on Ocho is the sound of Eric Cruise. Isn't it eight is what actually happened to the on Herota Cultural Center during the earthquake? It got very damage. They weren't able to use it anymore. The ceiling the roof were about full and the first project that own Gundabel may he go has is the the reconstruction of central government under Soho. Sounds like you're determined to make that happen. Get rebuilt as for your album content. Puerto Rico you recorded before the pandemic. I'm just curious. What were you saying to your country on this album that you feel even more strongly about today as you look at how. Mexicans are responding to the corona virus. I was trying to share different things that I love about my country. It can take you from different landscapes it can take you to the city it can take you to the market. It can take you to the mountain to the forest to the costs and I think that happens because it was made a whole music community so I think that is the result of what we have made position Italia life for day. Her new album is Canto for Mexico. Thank you very much great to speak with you. Thank you so much. Make Glacier Patch lobby. I cannot only Talia lie forecast taking us out. That's where we wrap proceedings on the world. Today you can always find us online at the world dot. Org We come to you from the and bill her studio W. H. in Boston you stay. Well we'll see you back here tomorrow. The world is co production of W. G. B. H. Boston the BBC World Service and Px.
Episode 259 The Jakarta Method
"We need to talk about ideas, good ones and bad ones. We need to learn stuff about the world. We need an honest, intelligent thought, provoking and entertaining view of what the hell happened on this planet in the last seven days we need to sit back and listen to the Iron Fist and the Belleville Glove. Dealers now. Heightening to saved. And are really high connaught. And I get really angry if somebody. Misleads or deceives me. When I should have now in Betta. I shouldn't be not a wicked eyup. Facility ease we've been told a story of ant, the United States and its activities around the world. The story was that they won the war. The help the countries I defeated. Along the way after the would. I defeated the. The Evil Communists and I. Encourage the will to pursue freedom and democracy. That they are initiative and drive created new industries and I deserve this success. The most of the seventy years we were subjected to anti Soviet propaganda. Is If that would devils who seated evil communism around the world. The demise of the Soviet Union. The focus has shifted to China. John is not perfect, is indeed deeply flawed and I certainly do not want to leave under a Chinese rule. But it is a mistake decided that the Chinese other bad guys. The Americans of the good guys and we should therefore support in the Americans. The truth is the. Bad guys. And we should follow my line path. Many people look at the US. I see his suing the principles of. Truth Justice, freedom and equality. But the opposite is true in the proof of this is in America's foreign policy I've lost seventy years. Today many people speculate that if unchecked China could flex its power and control and subjugates Mola, countries. That it could force, its will communist agenda onless powerful countries. That if necessary would kill gile and terrorize vast populations to achieve times. The listener the terrible truth is the for seventy years the US I. Has Been Conducting. The same sort of terrorism campaign that we fear, the Chinese will start. Mice people are on a way of just. HOW BADLY AMERICA'S HIVED! I've recently just completed reading a book cold the. Jakarta method. By Vincent Bevan's and In recent I lost fees offered some interesting books I think. Some of the most influential one of them would have been the shock doctrine by Niamey Klein. In the divide by Jason Hickel. And all right I write this book. The Jakarta method, but Vincent Bevan's wrought up. The with is on top handfuls of books. That's. That's. Extremely important at such an important story to tell in a highly recommend the go out and bought. One I'm going to do in this podcast is. He's basically. Look what he said in the book and rely a lot of that to you. And try and pint of picture of of exactly what the US has been up to. I've lost seventy years. Said hopefully, none of you listening to this podcast will ever again suggest the Erica stains for the principles of truth Justice Freedom, equality. It will necessarily be an account of of the bad things that the US has done. and. In the context of comparing the US in China for example. In this podcast on a list of all the bad things challenge done. This is a bit of a history lesson. I've a what the US is being up to. as part of its foreign policy for the last seventy years. and. We'll go into some detail of some of the stuff that we've really brushed ever in this podcast in the LAS obvious so pleased with this book that I'm going to be. Taking, what from the bottom? The Jakarta MIFID Vincent Bevan's? Please read it. Read it twice. Many join this podcast because you reject the nonsense of religious dogma, and you pride yourself on being rational enough to spot snake, oil, salesmen and clerical close. I'm asking you to. I've AECOM seventy years of pro US indoctrination. Just as you kind two thousand years of religious doctrine nation so. Again to emphasize I'm not saying you should be pry China. Um, sign that powerful manipulators piney picture of China and you need to constantly assists. What is likely to be tree in what is likely to be false and Aden things likely to be true. You need to say what is fair. Criticism in what is a beat up I. Have Nothing. And when you find real and terrible challenge behavior darkness that the Mirror of the American response. Is The answer now. The treaties that the Americans have probably already done something just as bad. The answer doesn't have to be America. So. Let's start. In this book. Vincent. Starts Bicycling Post will to. And the world's to. Go to new global. Europe Spain wakened badly by the war, and the planet is broken into places. We've got a lot of. Former, colonial POWs that have been broken badly so. They have got territories which they used to control. That were either taken by the Japanese and they want to regain control law. The case of the Japanese they controlled territory, and that's Nasdaq, and often. There's a lot of territory in the will that was previously controlled by colonial pals that sadly the people have got a sniffer freedom. In terms of the world we've got the first world, which is the advanced Western countries we've got the second world, which is basically the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc and we've got the third world, which is. People who with very few expects exceptions had leaped onto the control of European colonialism cy. In nineteen fifty, that was about two thirds of the world's population. So I. Will to. President Truman. Highlighted Communism. And he had a problem in grace. There was a civil war. As great communists who had fought against the Nazis were going well. In Trim and wanted to interfere. So. He came up with what became known as the Truman Doctrine. In, the Truman doctrine walls as he was quite telling Congress quite. It must be the policy of the United States to support free peoples who are resisting attempted subjugation by armed minorities will by outside pressures. That's basically. The US is in toddler Guinea involved in other countries. So. That was his doctrine, which was used as a reason for. Taking action against the Communists in the Greek civil war. and. Allied to that at the same time as sort of anticommunist President Truman, we had Will, he had to get domestic support You've got a country that's already banged awards. Probably war want solids, boys I'm doesn't want to necessarily get involved in anymore and. Is the advisor trimming was that in order to get the American people inside? You need to scare the hell out of the American people about communism. Scare them enough then they'll come on board with whatever you want to do to bring it down. So this helped. Kick off McCarthyism. which was driven by the president in the FBI and nine after Senator Joseph McCarthy Who with the House UNAMERICAN activities commission. Led a wall search for communists in the US government. So. The Truman doctrine were allowed to interfere in other countries. McCarthyism let's look full communists wherever we can fall in them. And all night I mix. It became accepted fact that the cyber threats with pushing for revolution worldwide. That wherever communist with prison that will plotting to overthrow the government? And that we're doing so on the older of the cyber threats as part of a vast global conspiracy to destroy the waist. Now, when you actually look at the history, a lot of these countries. More often than not the Soviet latest, she was telling Communist groups in various countries to take it easy dined. Create, a revelation, trying lick with the government's trying to get a foothold as part of the the government intends of coalitions in not to actually. Create revolutions in in fact, they even told now that top to back off and dunked to just work with. The government of the die in any end. To different approach, but Vista, the notion that the was signed a little communist friends around the world yet, boys. Having in a revolution when the chains that is just not the case, but that was the theory. Now this book is entitled. The dichotomy and such can spend a little time looking at Indonesia and Australia and dealers and I'll have to face that until recent times on you nothing about invasion, history and unfunny at Fascinating Hynde. Darris at how little previously new the AD a country! That's an northern Aiba and obviously sound important side. WE'RE GONNA LEARN TO BE. Easier in this one. So. Early Indonesia Indonesia had been controlled by the Dutch the centuries in in mobile to Japan took control. After the war. The touch thought I could just move back in. So there a war of independence as you would expect with the locals said. And Gone Cold Sakano. He took power in doing so he. He sort of clashed with the Communists. and eventually expelled the Dutch in nineteen forty nine, so he was a fairly independent monitored guide side laced in. He didn't want formal alliances with Russia or America, but he had enough credit points from fighting the communists in order to gain power that Americans were with him. So, that's early Indonesia. We're going to move in a timeline here. D Listener. We're going to scoot around the world. Working out wide through the fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties, and end an inducting back and forth amongst these countries signed. That sets up early early Indonesia for. Let's move ahead now to nine fifty, three and Iran. and. We've got I new president at that point is and. WHO! Had appointed the Dallas brothers into significant positions Appointed John Foster Dallas said as secretary of state in tapped younger brother Allen, Dallas delayed. The Cei- and these guys are obsessed with. Finding and fighting communism wherever. They, sword, and. Basically. In Iran. I mean look at Iran to die in in what we've got with this Islamic theocracy that's in control. It all comes back to what happened. Naughty fifty three with US intervention. Bicycling. A duly elected Prime Minister Muhammad Muscle Dick. Had Control of the country. and. At that time the British oil companies head at righteous deals with. keeping all of the money that the Mike in from oil, our extracting from Iran and these deals that were done with with corrupt dictators from previous eras so. This happens a lot in developing the will. D Not where? You'll find that. You've got oil-rich countries while countries that are rich in natural resources that lodge multinational corporations. Cut Deals with corrupt dictators. Then duly elected, progressive reformers mean IVA Thri the dictators. And then talk to these multinationals and say that deal is not fair. We can't continue on that basis. We can come to a more reasonable deal. But you can't have that deal because it is just ridiculous. Andy Listener in. In Law if you make deals With people who are incapable because I don have authority. those deals get get. quashed. It's a similar situation here. These companies have got nice sympathy for them. They ny deals that were grossly unfair to the countries that I would dealing with. Dealing, they got them because of corrupt practices by. dictators at the time Cy. have sympathy for these companies at all. They did all this work develop stuff. And now it's taken off them. Anybody who enters into. Deals like this has to do so on the understanding eventually when the people gun control of the country, the going to cannon and want something different side. That's part of what happens when you as a as A. As a corrupt international company deal with a corrupt dictator and Mike a corrupt deal. You have to expect that some point. It's going to get either throng. Anyway back to Iran so most Dick. He! He basically wanted to cut a deal with with the British oil. Company and I just wouldn't come into by win prepared to budget all and initially the US was not interested in helping the British and basically like come on, guys. You know this is not. This is not a fair deal. You can't really expect to hang onto that but. They were convinced that. In fact. It was something that I wanted to get involved with. And now this is not conjecture. This is not. Fanciful stuff in some sort of smokey conspiracy that ninety really can be sure about like. This is established fact that the US. Through! Its CIA agent Kermit Roosevelt. Took enormous steps to create havoc in Iran, and he had a million dollars to spend Hey, and the CIA broad every politician that I could. Buy looked for a general willing to take Iva. Ending stole the Shah Tida. The CIA Pied Street thugs strongmen in circuits performance to wrought in the Straits they created pamphlets and Pastas, proclaiming that Mosig was a communist an enemy of Islam so. And, I hide gangsters to pretend to be. Members of muscle aches, party and attack a mosque so. They basically went around with a massive propaganda campaign against Moscow Dick and and in the end successfully overthrowing. What we end up with the shower of your? The Shah who they installed who obviously became unpalatable to the people we ended up with the I taller coming in, and we ended up with the Iran of today like it's all a direct result of the US interference. In that country and this isn't fanciful stuff. We know the case. So that guy, you've the US some sense of success because. I could say that they could change. The government of country. With with a few street thugs in a propaganda campaign and enough money. And tap the people on the Shalva. You could change government. So that was Iran nodding fifty three. Let's cross the will to Guatemala Prior to World War Two. There was a pro Nazi dictator. He corruptly five, the landed aristocracy and foreign corporations. In knowing forty four, there was a revolution. And more progressive government managed to get a tie hauled. Managed to get power, so that was not forty four suspected the time that the US government was too busy looking at the Dealing with signaled water sort of pie much attention to what was happening in Guatemala so any line rather progressive group gets into pairing nine forty four. In owning fifty to. The government, the democratically elected one. wanted to into a process of land reform. And what they wanted to do was. BACK UNUSED LANE IN PIE official value. So. They, basically signed two groups like the United Fruit Company. You've got land at it. Know you're not using in the books you've got it listed this baillieu. Way GonNa pay you for that lane because we want APP, peasants and people to be able to use it. Now the United Fruit company wasn't happy because it's been it in its books undervalued. It's lane in order to avoid tax. In. The government at the time Guatemala the Communists were part of the government coalition. But the government was clearly drawn to take. Guatemala to Fullwood as a modern capitalist state today it had. Ended Communist as part of its coalition, but. It was definitely on the track of being a modern communist. A modern capitalist state. Side but you not afraid company complained of a Communist threat. which was completely unwarranted? In this case with the United Fruit Company. That particular company had deep ties with Washington side. This is from wikipedia. The relationship between the Eisenhower Administration in the United Company demonstrated the influence of corporate interest in US foreign policy. So John Foster Dulles mentioned before. He was a member of a law firm which had represented United Fruit his brother Alan Director of the C.. I was a board member of United Fruit. United Fruit. Company's the only company now to have a CI Krypton. The brother of the assistant secretary of staife into near say is. At, once, being president of the United Fruit. And Its principal lobbyist was married to is in house personal secretary, so many people who directly influenced US policy towards Guatemala. Had direct ties to the United Fruit company so. The company said. They Communist and The had all these. People, in Washington who are deeply connected with them. and. That was enough. So, what did America do well? The basically my three coup attempts, and it was the one that worked so. What I really wanted to create a pretext for intervention cy. The! Really wanted some sort of excused coming and interfere in the country. So, The the president at the time uncovered the planes full the third coup attempt in even publish them in the Guatemalan price, but the see I was side, confident That they organized Tony. Rebel force around General Carlos Castillo Amas in basically. The US dropped bombs on the capital of Guatemala now these. bums nicknamed so foss will sulfite laxatives, because they job is not to do damage, but to make the president and everyone around himself ride. That would fill it paints so. This the US got to actually dropping bombs on the Guatemalan capital, and the president realized that the US was determined to to asked him said he contemplated giving in. and. At the time line, it was a twenty five year old Argentinian doctor living in Guatemala. City at the time nine to Shaggy Vera. Volunteered to go to the front and he'll. fought the rebels. But instead the president resigned in handed I of a payout to a colonel as who was head of the armed forces. And D has had said to the president that he had an understanding from the North Koreans that if he took Pale then it will be I think. So, he took pal. And What happened was. A few days after this general took POW say. Is Tyson chief John Dougherty? Set Him Dan, said let me explain something to you. You might a big mistake when you guy but the government. You're not convenient for the requirements of American foreign policy and this Jan was shot in the ASTA. The ambassador himself in the best, said not. You're not the main and. In fact, show Ds, a long list of Guatemalans who would need to be shot immediately? Indiana's the general said why. And the ambassador. said. because they call me this. This is the sign investor who had been transferred from Greece. So. Castillo Armas. The US five or took Iva. And Ran Up in executed between three thousand and five thousand supporters of the President of the likes of the president. We've got the US bombing the country in schooling. It's fine dictator. And giving a list of nine to kill. Can you imagine if? This is the sort of thing. People think China would do today. That's Guatemala. It gets worse for Guatemala, but we'll go on. Shaggy, Vera Lynn and listen from that he learned. He need to fight to. Our. He hit it off to Mexico. Let's trouble back to Indonesia. Kana was president. We had an on wheel parliamentary system with several coalition partners including the Communist. And in the nineteen fifties the Communist Party the P. Kyw. was improving all the time largely because they were the least corrupt in the nice helpful to the people. So. At that town. Sakano said was quite independent minded, and he didn't mind getting a bit of lip to the US and the US decided he'd made to be to for them say they decided to hold. He's the C.. I decided to hold cicadas to the fallout so. In nineteen, fifty seven. The US started arming reveals to create problems in Indonesia. Just tend to the wrong part of the book. Basically Bombs started being dropped pipelines on Indonesian military and commercial shipping village on vessels. On the fifteenth of mine explosions hit a market killing by morning shoppers. In Christians attending church. Actual bombs being dropped by real lines. And the US was denying that it had anything to do with it. Our rebels who doing it's not us. In fact. The New York Times at the because the the the Indonesians signing. US You can stop doing this. What are you doing in the US of science? Not Us then he'll times. Lambasted CICADA and his government in a mine on editorial fidel cutting. The issue is that the US would intervene in the conflict. Well. Nineties lighter. The Indonesians managed to shoot down one of the planes. Captured the pilot. Is Nine was Alan Lawrence pipe a CIA agent. The pilots taking off from Singapore and Obviously CI. Agents dropping bombs and helping the rebels against. So. At that point. The The US decided. Well we've been cool in such. An obvious fashion will pull back from this obvious method that we're using here with silicon and. What they realized was that the military was the why guy in a situation like Indonesia sight. To improve they. Their relationship with the Indonesian military. Sakano was in a juggling act he was. He had a communist. The PK I. Who will popular with the people? He was having to juggle a demands. He had the Indonesian Armed Forces. Who will largely? Anti Communist. And remembering that all of them I had been in the beginning very prior nationalist, they mind. Deal, at the beginning was to get rid of the Dutch side I rolled together at that point in getting rid of the Dutch and then the differences. So the US to saw to use. The Indonesian Armed Forces to construct an eighty communist front now. What I did was I started inviting Indonesian soldiers for training in the US I mostly at Fort Leavenworth. So? Non and fifty four over twelve soldiers trying in the US USI from Indonesia. Fifty eight at the time of this sort of bombing that I mentioned when the show town there was zero. A year later, there were forty one Indonesian soldiers trying in the US, I. In boy nine threes on to that there was at least a thousand. Indonesian. Soldiers training in the US. And they obviously being trying In warfare, but they will side being indoctrinated into. Americanisms and In particular anticommunist sentiment. So. Also that taunts Sakata had to give the military extra panelist deal with is rebels in those the military. As a result of that got involved in all sorts of other things, fishing farming in construction so military than. Got Extra, pay out. They had all sorts of businesses the Dow. A conducting in that becomes important lighter on in east team, or if we get to that in the story on the show if we will. But, basically the military were very to give away east team because they were making money out of these team will. site. That's the setup in Indonesia where the Americans. Dropped some bombs CEI-. Agent cooled red-handed interfering and the US. let's get with the. the armed forces and will spend a few years. American using them. That's bubbling align the background. Meanwhile nine sixteen, the con God. The congas I elected prime minister was Patrice Lumumba. Immediately faced with the breakdown of order. There was an army revolt wall suspicious groups from the mineral rich crumbs of Tanga. By then the in Belgium paratroopers. The colonial Powell returned supposedly to restore security. Sally wins in election duly elected immediately. Kyle is the caring. Mumba fight full mystic! He turned to the side Union. Fulfil this set of panic in London Washington. Who'd feed? The Siamese would get a foothold in Africa much the done in Cuba. In the White House president is now hill. The National Security Council meeting in the summer of nineteen sixty. In, which at one point he turned to his say I. Director News The would eliminated intense of what he wanted done with Lumumba. The CIA got to work came up with a series of planes ranging from snipers to poisoned to paste to get rid of the leader. By carry out because the CIA man on the ground Larry Devlin said he was reluctant to see them through in the end. The Mumba was killed by troops loyal to Joseph Mobutu. Who was the CIA backed I'm chief. this will happen. Three days before giant kind was sworn in. By Szekely. Lumumba was killed before the CIA could get to him. An army chief. Backed by the CIA. Mobutu took over the second largest country in sub. Saharan Africa stage public. of his rivals built a dictatorship became out of America's closest allies in Africa. These are the sorts of things that people are worried. The China Middle Day. America has already done. We neither did it's on. The record swam back nine sixty. Kita nineteen sixty one. Giant kyw actually inherited the by you've pigs, invasion plans. The mercenaries would training in Guatemala. SHAG AVERA was on its Munis in Cuba, and he wasn't a bad to allow a repeat of Guatemala. Side a by of Pigs was disaster. And the US I had taken such public hit on that they couldn't do the the same thing again so nothing is public as that so. ironically. Food is after the invasion SA-. Khanna Indonesia visited Washington But he didn't bring up the parallels with what the with what had happened to him to non fifty eight with the US bombing. He's He's on encountering. Stealing nine and sixty one Iraq. Outside of Indonesia. The largest communist party was in Iraq. The Iraqi communist contemplated Iva throwing the Dick Tida al.. Qassim. But the it's advised against it. Washington backed a successful coup by the anticommunist Ba'ath party which immediately crushed the Communist. slowed. UNTOLD NUMBERS With a chief torture of being Saddam sign. That across the world, stealing nine, sixty, one, nine, sixty to resume. My South American countries Had to try the Spanish, but Brazil was Portuguese. And the Portuguese rule family had fled to Brazil united nights seven when Nepal when Napoleon invited. The had been a long serving left-wing. Voss prison and cold God became president in nineteen sixty one he. He promoted such righteous things such as universal vibrating. Increased Literacy and landforms. He visited President Kennedy inaudible, sixty two and shortly afterwards Kennedy met the US Ambassador to Brazil and agreed to spend millions of dollars on anti Django plans for the election. To prepare the ground for a military coup, if necessary because I saw him as a Communist. So Money Porty in. More subtly than in Guatemala and Iran. That's the Blink Y. Ninety sixty three, Vietnam. Kennedy ordered the Ambassador in South Vietnam to facilitate the removal of President Diem. The scene I passed the would down to a local general. Said, damn was kidnapped and killed whereas giant CACTUS wanted him removed not killed. A few weeks later, jive was killed. Back to Brazil. So, there was a coup led by General Humberto Castelo Branco. WHO HAD TRAINED GATEWAY? Fort Leavenworth you signed. So? The coup was non sixty four Django fled to Uruguay. Began US State Department began operation dubbed brother. Same at my tank is ammunition and aircraft carriers available to the conspirators. These not needed. I mean Jenga was a Julie elected? Leader. In the US doesn't give a shit. Brazil was different in that the US interference was obvious than previous ventures, and it was my easier because Brazil had a unique sort of anticommunist culture as a result of its history back in the thirties. As. A result of that Brazil would not hall now the Democratic Election for twenty five years. Back to Indonesia, nine, sixty three. Remember? We've got the Has had at least two thousand soldiers a Yeeha being trained by the US. So known and sixty-three, nearly a third of the country's registered voters will pk all affiliates Communist affiliates. The peak by the PK I had been peaceful. The head no arms. And had my vice because at that stage they win. Any elections economy was was running what he called a God democracy meaning a dictatorship. The military was anticommunist and allied to the Muslims and was increasingly powerful. So I. Took on the United Kingdom. Either Malaria side the Yucai at created Malaysia but had excluded Singapore. The reason I did that was. They didn't want. Timmy Chinese Communist sympathizers in Malaysia so I- segregated Singapore yeah. So the US supported the Yucai. In return for the UK supporting the US in Vietnam. San Much for freedom Sakano became. Publicly Eighteen American and American I dried up. Except why kind of money for the Indonesian Army? which the Americans? That was flowing very freely so? At that time off, Vietnam. The US destroy maddox was in Vietnamese waters It violated the International Twelve Mall limit and Ivan fire on three. Vietnamese patrol boats. Two days lighter. Fought their iron shadows creating excuse for. Thousand Minds Johnson to start a full war in Vietnam. Imagine if we say that and had used China instead of Yusei. Chinese. But we don't seem decide the USA. So three lighter Sukarno established relations with high teaming government just so annoyed with the arrogance, and it was prickly, so he's he's signed stuff you. Can, you can start, but I'm to be bites with it mean. An actually most Indonesians agreed with Cana because they cherish the the idea of independence from colonial power. They recognized Vietnam. Having got rid of the. Well originally occupied by the French. With, fighting for their freedom in in the Indonesians had done exactly the same thing. The directly after the Second World War. Say That quite sympathetic to what Vietnam was trying to do. At the time the US. I had a really good guy ambassador. Cool jeans, who just can't seem to have been a decent guy who understood Indonesia? Into undestood the communists were actually just socialists who were progressive and trying to do the right thing within the system. So they really good. Guy John's because that ready to take action. And what they really wanted. the say, I m I seeks wanted to goad the Indonesian communist into a premature coup that could provoke an army response. We get to an event. The thirtieth of September nineteen sixty five in Indonesia. and. Australia New Nabi vent. I didn't know better until very recent toned. It's embarrassing. This story and This particular incident that I'm going to describe. I mean fifty five years later and we still be sure exactly what happened. I'm going to give you the version from. Vincent! Devon's book the Jakarta method. There are Outta versions at the make up your mind. So thirtieth September nineteen sixty five Indonesia. Six generals were captured and killed by a rebel group in the army. Tried to get seven, but got six. It was. Most likely. It was an internal on movement that the the PK. I the PK High Communists did not help organize. It's it seems very plausible. That Sahata Nazi. Kanye's a new character Suharto. Was General A lower ranking general in the infant in the Indonesian military. It seems plausible. It's hot. I planed infiltrated the group to engineer his rise to power. Because everything, Sahata, did you? Tiber suggests he was executing an anticommunist counterattack plan that had been developed in advance, not simply reacting crisis so. These rebels tried to capture the top seven generals. Got Six of them. The rebels would quickly captured dealt with. General killed intron down well. Even the reminding seventh general was high ranking. Sahata I just took control in the way that a man you. What was happening? in advance would take control. And, he blamed the communist straight up. It said it's the PK on, and you might fanciful stories. They awarded being done what the what the peak I communist were planning to do. Need demonized the PK AOI described. The generals are being tortured and have. Will be dealt with and described really gruesome things in and said this is what these communist going to do to the rest of us. And and. He beat up a propaganda, a bad communist involvement in that. Uprising! Siamese side to die Indonesians celebrate the anniversary as of an anti communist national ritual. If there were any communist involved. In that plot. Would have been the top handful. At most of The Communist leadership, and certainly not. A million Indonesians. Anyway, Very early on the us-backed. Sahata this incoming, general either CICADA. and. With the PK Communist pint is evil in CICADA. Basically they ran a propaganda campaign through the the media. Painting, the Communists is evil in Kana. The all guy had to support the military with its anti PKI rhetoric. Because emergence had been stood up so much that if if Sakano would sit all come on, it's not really the case. Nobody would've swallowed it and he's having to do with a military coup cohere essentially. He's trying to cling onto PR say. Bake high communist I can. Anyway. The army then proceeds to torture ripened slowdown every communistic good fine. Mass killings. Readers starting to bank up and be blocked by the number of bodies. Did in the rivers. People were arrested. disappeared. In, no one was sure what was happening. This is one of the things like people would be rounded up and taken ally in their families wouldn't know what had happened. That went short. I've dated what had happened to them. There was this there was a sense of just not knowing so. That was a big part of it. All, so the Muslim Youth Wing helped out. Now US officials might clear. That Sukarno had to be removed. And the attacks on US investments had to be halted. In Bali. Five percent of the population was executed over few months fulfill. With a political party that had been tightly legal in mind stream just weeks earlier. The Communist by the Kayak was a legitimate, just political party in Indonesia. But if you any links to that party after this event, your rounded up and disappeared. You could have been just an ordinary. Union organizer shop floor is to get better conditions here in the organizing. Sing alongs at said Dino. Function like just the most. Innocent of people would look up as a supposedly part of the plotters of killing these six generals. Anyone Sakata I was forced to resign and at that time the western press. was basically repeating the narrative piddle by the new government and just sign. It was inexplicable tribal violence that had broken out in irrationally outburst. Deal is. Between Five, hundred thousand and a million people were slaughtered. And? A million mole will put into concentration camps. All I view as trying. These military in modified the Mindy Communist, but yeah I didn't actually do it themselves to die, won't. US assistance snaps from Wikipedia Bradley Simpson Director of the Indonesia. East Documentation Project at the National Security Archives. Contains that. Declassified documents indicate that the United States provided economic, technical and military I to the army soon after the killing started and continued to do so long after it was clear, a widespread slaughter was taking place in northern Sumatra and other places. In the expectation, that US assistance would contribute to this. Thir- The evidence for this funding has been substantiated by cable was sent from Ambassador Grain after meeting. The say is who Tova. The Assistant Secretary of State Bill Bundy. One advocating full payments to be sent to Anti Communist fighter Adam Malik. Reading from the the cable. This is confirmed my. Concurrence that we provide Malik with fifty million repairs been ten thousand dollars. Fraternities of the Gap Gestapo Movement the army. But the civilian stopped group is still carrying burden of current repressive efforts. L., willingness to assist him in this matter will I think represent in Malaysia. Mind our endorsement of his present role in the army's anti PK our efforts. And promote good cooperating relations between him in the army. The, chances of detection, subsequent revelation of support in this instance are as minimal as any black flag oppression candidate. Other cables from grain to the State Department suggested that the United. States played a role in developing elements of the Anti Communist propaganda following the. Alleged ACC- PIQUIONNE activities. In a cable from October fifth quite we can help Shaik developments to our advantage spread. The story of PK is guilt, tree and brutality. He went decided it would welcome the awoke goal to blacken the of Pie in the eyes of the people. Side, the US was funding civilian murderers who carrying at Omni assassinations and admitted its help in this terrible propaganda campaign, the pilot a picture of p-a-k Communis. That then encouraged Indonesians to kill them. It gets worse again from wikipedia. In Minority Noni, the Stein used service published a study by journalists. Kathy Kettani we tied lauded significant US involvement in the killings. Kadena quoted Robert Martins hoodwinked. The US embassy assigned that Sane. US diplomats and Officials. Provided least of approximately five thousand nine of communist operatives to the Indonesian army, while it was hunting down and killing members the Communist Party of Indonesia. And alleged sympathizers. Martin's told Cadena that quote. It really was a big help to the army. They probably killed a lot of people. Probably have a lot of blood on my hands, but that's not all bad. This is Tom, and you have to strike hard at a decisive moment. In quite. Godina I write that approval for the release of ninth journalist kind from top US. Embassy officials. Marshall Grain and deputy chief of Mission Jack. Liederman And political section chief, it would cost. This stuff in the Shiites about this. Essentially this compelling evidence that the US provided the Indonesian. With a list to help them out. Because in the of the US, was surprising hail. The Indonesian army was in terms of finding the communist to kill Sally. The helped him out. Again. This is the sort of thing that we think China might get up to if. It's already happened. It's it's terrible. This morning show not too bad then. So. The incoming guy. He consolidates his rule. and. American companies like General Electric, American Express Caterpillar and Goo deal all explore business opportunities while one million Indonesians iron concentration camps. Comparable to what you'd find or imagined in the Soviet Union. Let's cross I have to Chile nineteen seventy. Salvadorian die one narrowly inaudible seventy. He was a socialist and amongst intellectual. Henry Kissinger. National Security Adviser to Nixon said. I don't I don't see why we need to stand by. What country got communist due to the irresponsibility of its own people? Are really more from. This book the. One thing about this book is. Obviously guys in a much more daytime, but he also paints pictures from ordinary people at the time and follows their personal experiences which Really adds the story and. This might be sad and just angry. The signed sign-on at what had happened to these people. Kissinger also said I want to work on this on military relations putting more money on the Economic Saad. We wanted to give him call ticky. We'll be very cool and very correct, but doing these other things. A real message to Allende now this knowing impression should be permitted in Latin America that they can get away with this. Now Impression In Latin America that you can elect a leftist government is what Kissinger assigned? This is from the country. Truth Justice equality. Anyway. They apply in economic squeeze. This is the template that's currently being used by the Lai in Venezuela Sandwich Law Combat Mature Act. This is the sort of exact. Chilean. Thing again. So the US. is encouraging the military in Chile. In I start with you on a plane. which cycle in within the military the Jakarta planned? To kill around ten thousand people. And in the capital of July. You start saying graffiti on the Wolves Jakarta's coming. So A is a real saints in the country the. Military tai-chi is is going to happen, and because I've seen it alive. I've seen it happening in these other countries. But the head of the military at the time was actually. Very sympathetic to the constitution. He was like Nye. The constitution says this is going to be president, so he is. While he was killed. Replacement was also sympathetic to the Constitution and let the end I continue. But? when he resigned, he immediately hopped to Buenos areas to get the country because he knew he was up. So, he left and went to Benetton to Buenos Aires. Lighter, he was assassinated. So inte-. General Pinna shy, who then becomes the hit of the military. We all know what happened September eleven nine, hundred, seventy three. I ends up barricading himself in. I think it was the pound Montoya or something like that and. Shot himself. And finish. I went ahead and killed around three thousand people. Known as many as ten, thousand died unusually planned on. Again enormous. US Hill offered to the military. and. You can just hear it in the woods that we've got from. Nixon end. Actually that last said before was from Nixon not from Kissinger. Let's move either to Cambodia. America organized a coup to a to get rid of Prince Sihanouk and installed lawn knol. During his rule, you is bombed Cambodia indiscriminately killing hundreds of thousands of people mostly peasants in a futile attempt to stop the Vietnamese communist moving through the countryside. United States three times the tonnage. Of Bombs on Cambodia as was dropped on Japan and would. That include the atomic bombs. Narrative organized a coup against Prince San okay, I said. The acid prince threw his support behind the Kamei Route Ninety. Anyone's faulting long on the US army. And, we all know. That! But did you buy? Genuine on seventy nine. Is after I'd started the Command Rouge Phil because the Vietnamese realized what was happening. And the Cambodians to cry their government. The US tries to recognize at the UN. The remnants of the Chimera Rouge rather than the Vietnamese allied government. Is Yon Back to the Kim My ruse wellm. Ding pain. Later of Challenger at the time was furious about. The Vietnamese, doing this in Cambodia Because the marriage was a Chinese Allen. And he threatened to invade Vietnam until prison encounter privately. Tell Prison Kata in prison. Inkatha privately promised help China if the sides threaten to help the Vietnamese. I will stay out of it, but at the of get involved China will help you. John you're invited. Vietnam nineteen seventy nine. But the Vietnamese would say good bye being fought and hard and long ninety five, so they kick. The CIA, but they thwarted the. Chinese attack. Needing on East Taymor nine seventy five. Non In seventy five. There was a Portuguese dictatorship. which fell. And the new Portuguese government. Decided to withdraw from its colonists. This included a team all. This is his team ward bicycling on the map is the fire east of. Indonesia clash two trillion. And SAHATA client he was threatened by the East Timorese Communists. Nixon. President Nixon Guide, Sahata. To tyke it to Tyke as team on an Operation Lotus, which killed three hundred thousand East Timorese. From nine to nine seventy nine. The Indonesian armed forces killed up to a third of the population. A high proportion than Pol Pot in Cambodia. This is by Suharto the. The US assisted. Military. Dictator He grabbed parent Indonesia. Back to Guatemala nothing racked by dictatorships. Since Jiji Vera left united on hdl Lia. The. Dictatorship supported by US Green. Berets conducts a terror campaign against any lift season subversives it can find. And uses to Cadillac. Tactics disappear tens of thousands of people. Nicaragua on seventy nine, the Sandinistas one. Ronald Reagan promptly begins funding the Contra rebels. I lean. Anytime lift ISH government. Popped up his head in Latin America the US kind Dan Hod Fanta military dictator. Guide systens, guiding the naked, the wink and the nod. We'll guide. The money will guide them a death list. Put troops on the granting foam of green berets. Help them conduct propaganda campaigns. Will scare the shit out of any left to see day to stay up to them. From? Just ruffling from seventy three, the Guatemalan military killed more than two hundred thousand people. The Salvadorian Civil. What took seventy five thousand lives? Argentina Killed Twenty thousand to thirty thousand. Eighty Communist extermination spread all across Latin America. Always with the assistance of the United States. Historian John Kites with concluded that from knowing sixty two naughty naughty. The number of victims of us-backed violence in Latin America. Vastly exceeded the number of people killed in the Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc I've assigned Tong. There's a quite for you when people talk about the evil Communist. Say Yes. They're evil, but hey. US Bank violence in Latin America vast leaks say to the number of people killed by the side of gets in the eastern bloc from nine sixty to nineteen ninety. Indonesia today. They still under the belief that the Communists can spot and plotted. Caused. A gruesome death of heraldic general's. Luckily. Sahata was around degree gun control quickly and help rid the country of the Communist threat forever. There's a museum. which must be somewhere in Chicago I think. And As she walked in on a bizarre series of darkened holes, a series of Diorama installations tighty through the history of the party. Is the Communist Party. Demonstrating agent every time by tried the nation or attack. The military applauded to destroy Dijon. Down to reproducing Suharto's propaganda narrative about events of October nineteen, sixty five. There's not reference to the up to one million civilians killed as a result. At the exit, kids pies is in front of a big saw him, it says. Thank you for A. dioramas about savagery carried out by the Indonesian Communist Party. Don't let anything like this ever happened again. site. Point of this sees. As I said earlier today. Many people speculate that if unchecked Jonah could flex its Pale in control and subjugate smaller countries. That, it could force its will and communist agenda on this path countries. If necessary it would gile kill and terrorize vast populations to achieve times. In the terrible treaties that facility the US is being conducted the same sort of terrorism campaign. We feed the Janis. We'll start. And Nice people on a way of just how badly America's behaved so. D Listener. I really highly recommend. This book the Jakarta Math Point Vincent Bevan's. Guys into enormous day tile. Lots of footnotes and references that'll side the personal stories of different individuals caught up at different points in these tragic stories and. It's a story. We need to understand and. And we need to keep that in law, and when we a feist what I see all the time at a moment. Of this eighty China rhetoric fine. But the response seems to be so we must saw with the Americans and I just hype. The this podcast gives you some reasons why that might not be a good idea. Aim Idealist next week. Episode two hundred sixty it. 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