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"vincent bevan" Discussed on Problematic Premium Feed

Problematic Premium Feed

05:32 min | 1 year ago

"vincent bevan" Discussed on Problematic Premium Feed

"Off of memory can you can you? Can can you remember anything about that or why chapter that appears in? Your like the very next chapter it goes into a lot of actually all. Bacon's rebellion and Howard like. When they were fighting, you know fighting against each other in these so-called like wars of independence, rate. They would lie dia as soon as they saw someone like they thought someone was GonNa win or something they would all change sides immediately a because they were so cowardly. They didn't WANNA fight they didn't WanNA fight with any chance of them losing. Before we move on to. Jump into your original question about the. Cultural Studies and how. These people come from these oppressed nations and they just ended up teaching. You know. There are various oppress cultures. I wanted to ask if have you heard of? The Jakarta method. Someone. Said they brought it up Movie Night I've I've heard of it. It's on Netflix. Now like a buck. All no no I I heard of to. Remove Oh wait a minute spread as Guy Vincent Vincent Bevan's Yeah I follow I follow him on twitter I. Don't know what the books about but I saw him promoting that that bullets not explicitly about the cultural studies, but it looks into. The as tireless is the anti communists Crusades the CIA. And it was going into good detail about specifically in Indonesia, in other parts of the Third World. How the CIA conducted these terror campaigns to. up boop. Budding Communists and. In just pro third world movements. ACROSS THE GLOBE And I just finished the audiobook today like a my commute home and at the very end, it goes into like where are the survivors now of like these. Mass killings in genocides of communists and indigenous peoples across the world and a lot of them end up. In universities teaching classes. About the school and the. Author Vincent Bevin sees a interviewing them into. That's one of the questions that he asked that he was saying that was hard to ask what were you trying to build and do you think we got there yet and they just sounded so defeated and it sounds like. From what's the KYW's talking about?.

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"vincent bevan" Discussed on Fortress On A Hill (FOH) Podcast

Fortress On A Hill (FOH) Podcast

09:53 min | 1 year ago

"vincent bevan" Discussed on Fortress On A Hill (FOH) Podcast

"I really liked paintings and partitions in does you know as as just kind of let a gospel tools and I used to show them a lot of Soviet propaganda from the era that you're riding in. You know in its lynching propaganda, it's police brutality against African Americans it's usually racial is. An showing some of the flaws right in the American model and I used to ask them. You know about this what do they think and of course, most of the students you know these are freshman than well, how dare the Soviets say that they were murdering all kinds of people? Correct. You know and I would say, well, you know they may be hypocrites but they strictly wrong on of course that would raise a whole bunch of questions. So that leads me to. Sort of the lack of or what appears to be correct me if I'm wrong, the lack of sufficient union rights preconditions for caveats with the many of the fifty two regimes right or governments that we're talking about and. One thinks of Central America course probably parts of Africa especially, Asia. And You know what I guess what are the? Unintended consequences short and long-term. Or. Maybe intended of. Supporting the police, right supporting the military's the paramilitary in these countries you know and and then, and of course, we'll talk about ethics aside perhaps you know. Try if it's possible to sort of answer, the cynics. The. Whole doesn't matter right. It's all about strategy really politics. Don't really no one really cares about ethics anyway. So that's kind of a broad John but. I think it's an important question because it's thrown. So often at us. To dismiss this as three of working with you know terrible regimes. Yeah I think it's really important what you say I mean certainly. you know on the ethical level, we can look at Indonesia. And know So there's there's a new book called The Jakarta method by Vincent. Bevan's which review of in the Boston. Review. In this book does does really fantastic job of kind of synthesizing some of the latest scholarly knowledge about the genocide of Indonesia and pinpointing the the US role. In one thing I wrote about in my in my review was to extend some of the analysis that Bevan's does based on my knowledge of police assistance, of course, ultimately. And the genocide that occurred in Indonesia beginning in nineteen, sixty five. was led by the military. And paramilitaries took took part in it. Least Assistance Program also played an important role. And The US since the program insofar as it. Created a you know very, highly capable police force that was focused on. Politics. You know in in. Really that was that was the purpose of it and. And the the the skills that the US cultivated among this police force were about keeping track of of targets intelligence targets. And so when we only Kinda step back and think about. Even situations that don't ultimately culminate in a genocide the way that. the the. Aftermath of the coup in Indonesian eighteen sixty, five did. At other countries what we see is that the enhance the enhancement that the police program allowed of the the counterintelligence programs in in various countries. It enabled political crackdowns on people who? In some cases may have been outright subversive. They may have been trying to overthrow the government but in many cases they weren't they were just merely political dissidents because I think the logic of counterintelligence is to. Make Associations that might not be political associations between people, but just might be personal interpersonal are so full associations make them into political associations and so the web of kind of suspicions is always growing. Everybody, who's caught in that web is is is treated as potentially subversive goes in. In. Grows and grows and grows and grows wider and wider erections. Certainly, this was the case with with anticommunist counterintelligence within the United States during the Cold War and it's true in all these places. So the United States builds up the capabilities of police around Globe to an investigate and ultimately neutralize various ways. People who are communists webs of suspicion, which are ultimately always growing in size always growing reach. The result then is, of course on the one hand you mentioned is it is an ethical problem. which leads to massive amounts of violence by the state. But on the other hand, I would also argue that it was ultimately politically ineffective for the objective it was trying to achieve if the objective it was trying to achieve was lessening political dissidents lessening political subversion. Weakening the appeal in in public support for for left wing political movements, it didn't affect. It had the opposite effect. It increased the sympathy people had for the left as as they saw people who were you know trade union leaders or or leaders who were never engaged in violence you ended up getting disappeared by security forces that increased the sympathy. So ultimately, I think you know even if if the if if somebody wants to take ethics. An refer only to the strategic geopolitical goals. It is absolutely true that during the Cold War United States. Shot itself in the foot repeatedly over and over and over again in in terms of actually achieving in schools because what it did was incite or provoke the very political movements that it was afraid of in the first place I mean I've been looking lately at at the ORG like case or you know in the early part of the nineteen sixties was considered quote unquote Switzerland of Latin. America or something very peaceful, relatively prosperous place. Nearby countries were engaging in greater and greater amounts of political repression including Brazil in Uruguay was open to political refugees from other countries coming in. but at the same time. Or Guay started to see some some political protest growing because there started to be economic stagnation. The police respond to these political protests Pacific. And ultimately, the Office of Public Safety, starts at Police Assistance Program or why And they are able to clamp down on demonstrations and when once a kind of authorized. Typical demonstrations that we might expect to see in any democratic country are vented from occurring will what does the left do the left goes underground and it starts to try to find other routes to manifest it's. All dissidents and ultimately that that leads toward you know Brazen Acts Bank robberies, and then ultimately kidnappings and some other forms of political violence I think that we can pretty clearly argue looking at the history of the public safety interventions in Uruguay and based on the evidence from from what the leftist militants themselves said is that the repression created the resistance right and so you can find this in in a number of countries across the globe in in in the Cold War period and interest to me is a really strong indicator that. If somebody is willing to set the ethical questions aside which I don't think they should. But if they are and they wanted to focus on on the Jewish strategic goals, the United States was unsuccessful in ended it really am. Provoked a lot of what it was trying to prevent an interested. You know bring it up to the president in twenty twenty. That's absolutely what's what's been happening with a lot of these protests is that the in the guise of controlling the protests? Police have have. To, put it charitably have overreacted and they protested more widespread, more intense and more resolute. So I think it's I think the history provides a. Cautionary lessons even for people who might think of themselves as kind of cold-blooded in sober in their minds are unclouded by ethical considerations. I think if you if you do that you, you find that I'm actually the history is one of a repeated failure. I WANNA. Thank you for that answer I mean. It was it's a leading question that sort of build on frustration with a bank. What we've kind of wealth agree is a tendency to..

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"vincent bevan" Discussed on The Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove

The Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove

05:14 min | 1 year ago

"vincent bevan" Discussed on The Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove

"Seventy nine, the Sandinistas one. Ronald Reagan promptly begins funding the Contra rebels. I lean. Anytime lift ISH government. Popped up his head in Latin America the US kind Dan Hod Fanta military dictator. Guide systens, guiding the naked, the wink and the nod. We'll guide. The money will guide them a death list. Put troops on the granting foam of green berets. Help them conduct propaganda campaigns. Will scare the shit out of any left to see day to stay up to them. From? Just ruffling from seventy three, the Guatemalan military killed more than two hundred thousand people. The Salvadorian Civil. What took seventy five thousand lives? Argentina Killed Twenty thousand to thirty thousand. Eighty Communist extermination spread all across Latin America. Always with the assistance of the United States. Historian John Kites with concluded that from knowing sixty two naughty naughty. The number of victims of us-backed violence in Latin America. Vastly exceeded the number of people killed in the Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc I've assigned Tong. There's a quite for you when people talk about the evil Communist. Say Yes. They're evil, but hey. US Bank violence in Latin America vast leaks say to the number of people killed by the side of gets in the eastern bloc from nine sixty to nineteen ninety. Indonesia today. They still under the belief that the Communists can spot and plotted. Caused. A gruesome death of heraldic general's. Luckily. Sahata was around degree gun control quickly and help rid the country of the Communist threat forever. There's a museum. which must be somewhere in Chicago I think. And As she walked in on a bizarre series of darkened holes, a series of Diorama installations tighty through the history of the party. Is the Communist Party. Demonstrating agent every time by tried the nation or attack. The military applauded to destroy Dijon. Down to reproducing Suharto's propaganda narrative about events of October nineteen, sixty five. There's not reference to the up to one million civilians killed as a result. At the exit, kids pies is in front of a big saw him, it says. Thank you for A. dioramas about savagery carried out by the Indonesian Communist Party. Don't let anything like this ever happened again. site. Point of this sees. As I said earlier today. Many people speculate that if unchecked Jonah could flex its Pale in control and subjugate smaller countries. That, it could force its will and communist agenda on this path countries. If necessary it would gile kill and terrorize vast populations to achieve times. In the terrible treaties that facility the US is being conducted the same sort of terrorism campaign. We feed the Janis. We'll start. And Nice people on a way of just how badly America's behaved so. D Listener. I really highly recommend. This book the Jakarta Math Point Vincent Bevan's. Guys into enormous day tile. Lots of footnotes and references that'll side the personal stories of different individuals caught up at different points in these tragic stories and. It's a story. We need to understand and. And we need to keep that in law, and when we a feist what I see all the time at a moment. Of this eighty China rhetoric fine. But the response seems to be so we must saw with the Americans and I just hype. The this podcast gives you some reasons why that might not be a good idea. Aim Idealist next week. Episode two hundred sixty it. We will celebrate five years of having done this podcast. Happy can join us will be live streaming on a Tuesday nodded seven thirty home. See then. Fotheringham's here. Faced Glove. Congratulations Sean foyers of entertaining. And Informative podcasts. Twelve man. Feared not feel wise counsel. You'll come. Rides would have argued in ever decreasing circles until eventually disappearing their own..

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"vincent bevan" Discussed on The Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove

The Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove

07:30 min | 1 year ago

"vincent bevan" Discussed on The Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove

"And are really high connaught. And I get really angry if somebody. Misleads or deceives me. When I should have now in Betta. I shouldn't be not a wicked eyup. Facility ease we've been told a story of ant, the United States and its activities around the world. The story was that they won the war. The help the countries I defeated. Along the way after the would. I defeated the. The Evil Communists and I. Encourage the will to pursue freedom and democracy. That they are initiative and drive created new industries and I deserve this success. The most of the seventy years we were subjected to anti Soviet propaganda. Is If that would devils who seated evil communism around the world. The demise of the Soviet Union. The focus has shifted to China. John is not perfect, is indeed deeply flawed and I certainly do not want to leave under a Chinese rule. But it is a mistake decided that the Chinese other bad guys. The Americans of the good guys and we should therefore support in the Americans. The truth is the. Bad guys. And we should follow my line path. Many people look at the US. I see his suing the principles of. Truth Justice, freedom and equality. But the opposite is true in the proof of this is in America's foreign policy I've lost seventy years. Today many people speculate that if unchecked China could flex its power and control and subjugates Mola, countries. That it could force, its will communist agenda onless powerful countries. That if necessary would kill gile and terrorize vast populations to achieve times. The listener the terrible truth is the for seventy years the US I. Has Been Conducting. The same sort of terrorism campaign that we fear, the Chinese will start. Mice people are on a way of just. HOW BADLY AMERICA'S HIVED! I've recently just completed reading a book cold the. Jakarta method. By Vincent Bevan's and In recent I lost fees offered some interesting books I think. Some of the most influential one of them would have been the shock doctrine by Niamey Klein. In the divide by Jason Hickel. And all right I write this book. The Jakarta method, but Vincent Bevan's wrought up. The with is on top handfuls of books. That's. That's. Extremely important at such an important story to tell in a highly recommend the go out and bought. One I'm going to do in this podcast is. He's basically. Look what he said in the book and rely a lot of that to you. And try and pint of picture of of exactly what the US has been up to. I've lost seventy years. Said hopefully, none of you listening to this podcast will ever again suggest the Erica stains for the principles of truth Justice Freedom, equality. It will necessarily be an account of of the bad things that the US has done. and. In the context of comparing the US in China for example. In this podcast on a list of all the bad things challenge done. This is a bit of a history lesson. I've a what the US is being up to. as part of its foreign policy for the last seventy years. and. We'll go into some detail of some of the stuff that we've really brushed ever in this podcast in the LAS obvious so pleased with this book that I'm going to be. Taking, what from the bottom? The Jakarta MIFID Vincent Bevan's? Please read it. Read it twice. Many join this podcast because you reject the nonsense of religious dogma, and you pride yourself on being rational enough to spot snake, oil, salesmen and clerical close. I'm asking you to. I've AECOM seventy years of pro US indoctrination. Just as you kind two thousand years of religious doctrine nation so. Again to emphasize I'm not saying you should be pry China. Um, sign that powerful manipulators piney picture of China and you need to constantly assists. What is likely to be tree in what is likely to be false and Aden things likely to be true. You need to say what is fair. Criticism in what is a beat up I. Have Nothing. And when you find real and terrible challenge behavior darkness that the Mirror of the American response. Is The answer now. The treaties that the Americans have probably already done something just as bad. The answer doesn't have to be America. So. Let's start. In this book. Vincent. Starts Bicycling Post will to. And the world's to. Go to new global. Europe Spain wakened badly by the war, and the planet is broken into places. We've got a lot of. Former, colonial POWs that have been broken badly so. They have got territories which they used to control. That were either taken by the Japanese and they want to regain control law. The case of the Japanese they controlled territory, and that's Nasdaq, and often. There's a lot of territory in the will that was previously controlled by colonial pals that sadly the people have got a sniffer freedom. In terms of the world we've got the first world, which is the advanced Western countries we've got the second world, which is basically the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc and we've got the third world, which is. People who with very few expects exceptions had leaped onto the control of European colonialism cy. In nineteen fifty, that was about two thirds of the world's population. So I. Will to. President Truman. Highlighted Communism. And he had a problem in grace. There was a civil war. As great communists who had fought against the Nazis were going well. In Trim and wanted to interfere. So. He came up with what became known as the Truman Doctrine. In, the Truman doctrine walls as he was quite telling Congress quite. It must be the policy of the United States to support free peoples who are resisting attempted subjugation by armed minorities will by outside pressures..

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"vincent bevan" Discussed on The Heat

The Heat

02:41 min | 1 year ago

"vincent bevan" Discussed on The Heat

"The end you got the creation of the. Us led capitalist system which is not what people in the Third World. Thought was going to happen. When I met the people that were involved in the Third World Fifties and sixties elderly Indonesians or elderly people from other parts of Asia. They really thought that they would be taking their place on the world stage alongside the rich white countries colonisation over so we will have our own saying we will catch up to now. That didn't happen. I'm not saying that the reason that didn't happen is because of these interventions and because of the mass murder that. Us allies carried out. But I do think it has to be part of the story. One four point two Vincent in that is you know. This was the height of the Cold War. It seems that through all of this The Soviet Union which was the other major power at the time seemed impotent Especially if we look at Indonesia and Brazil Why do you think the Soviet Union did not oppose the United States? Move vigorously wanted was going about this. I don't think that they were necessarily impotent. In nor do I think that they were less willing to violate rights. I think they had strategic delineations. So of course in the parts of the essential in eastern Europe that were conquered by the Red Army and the end of World War. Two the Soviet Union insisted on absolute control in places like Latin America. Often Soviet leaders understood that that was the the backyard of the United States and they didn't want to provoke them so at many points in the Cold War the official line coming from Moscow depending on where you were which kind of a Communist Party you were in the world so Chilean Brazilian examples. What the Kremlin was telling? You was no just be a moderate participant in social. Democracy is our strategic goals. Do not align with any kind of provocation of Moscow at the time now of course in other parts of the world closer to home this was very damaging they did not see it as in their best interest to be everywhere especially when it could provoke reactions in the United States venture. Thanks so much for joining US thank you. That was all conversation with Vincent. Bevan's journalist and author of the Jakarta method Washington's anticommunist say and the mass murder program that shaped all world. If you have a question or comment about today's episode. Please send us an email at podcast at CGT. In America Dot Com. And as always if you like of call spread the word by subscribing rating relieving comment with your favorite podcast provided the heat is produced by CGT. In America I executive producers a tariff h the senior producer. John Gilmore Joshua Bala produced today's podcast guest producers and al-shabaab and our director of digital development is Michael Sugary. Once again. I'm on ninety. Thanks for.

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"vincent bevan" Discussed on PRI's The World

PRI's The World

06:35 min | 1 year ago

"vincent bevan" Discussed on PRI's The World

"Biden Biden told trump. He should insist on. Having American health experts on the ground in China I would be on the phone with China and making it clear. We are going to need to be in your country. You have to be open. You have to be clear. We have to know what's going on. But trump rolled over for the Chinese. He took historically. It's not about whether the Soviets or communist China have done horrible things. Of course they have Cold War. Two point is also not just about Hongkongers right to protest. But here's the question will use escalation with China. Make things better. Here's Vincent Bevan's once again. It really bothers me when I see these kinds of operations being talked about in a cavalier way by people that don't know what these people went through so anyone wants to get all. Rah Rah about a new Cold War. He says they ought to. I really grapple with Al. Bloody the first one was for the world. I'm Patrick win. Then says been getting arrested for millions of tourists during this pandemic but it's not getting a break from climate. Change story is just ahead. You're with the world I'm Marco Werman. This is the world history was made in Israel. Yesterday is Benjamin. Netanyahu became the first Israeli prime minister to face trial before entering the courtroom. Netanyahu delivered a scathing speech accusing law enforcement agencies of attempting a political coup. A the Zohar move than it. Who Marrugo shown these investigations were tainted and fabricated from the start said Netanyahu and they are ending with an absurd and fabricated indictment. He continued joining me now. Is Professor Yuval Shendi Vice President of research? At the Israel Democracy Institute professor tiny gets up to speed if you would on the charges. That Netanyahu's actually facing so. Netanyahu is confronting three sets of charges bribery fraud and breach of trust and these correa significant sentence if convicted the first set of cases has to do with gifts that were given to Netanyahu. Wealthy people allegedly for intervening on their behalf on a number of economic projects in Israel. The second set of cases has to do with negotiations Netanyahu undertake in with the Israel's largest newspaper editor with view of changing the line of coverage of the newspaper is engaged with him in return of passing legislation that would limit the ability of other newspapers to compete with it and the third set of cases has to do with the exchange of regulatory favors again for positive media coverage by elite website that is owned by the country's largest telecommunication company. So how can Netanyahu remain in office with such severe allegations? That's a significant question ear in Israel and in effect three rounds of elections that we have just experienced the last year Were very much centered on this issue but the election outcome has been that is still able to stay in power now heading a unity government there has been a legal challenge to his ability to serve at the Supreme Court essentially said that the existing law in Israel does not preclude the service of a prime minister who hasn't been yet convicted on appeal. I was GONNA ask you. How will this trial? Impact the stability of the newly formed unity government and is there a point at which you'll have to step down from office so I think it's going to be very difficult partnership because the opposition party blue and white? Their remain election ticket has been criticizing Netanyahu and him for being corrupt and now they have joined. The government allegedly in order to protect from within the government the rule of law and to stand alongside core the prosecution service so this is not a very healthy marriage so to speak the power. Sharing agreement is flexible enough to accommodate the decision by Netanyahu. Step down for a while. Educate more time for his legal defense and then if a committed making a comeback Professor Shannon Donald Trump and. Benjamin Netanyahu are closed. I think about Netanyahu's appearance with Holocaust survivors. Yesterday the scathing speech before the start of the trial as Netanyahu become a more contentious leader since trump came to the White House. Definitely we have seen with Netanyahu from two thousand fifteen onwards. Quite a dramatic change. In the way he conducts himself up until then he was rather centuries candidate in many respects including with respect to the rule of law but after winning the election became much more aggressive and after the sentence of DONALD TRUMP. He did up sampled Donald Trump's tactics in terms of Extensive use of social media using very harsh language going very personnel against journalists law officials. So I think there has been some exchange of notes between Netanyahu when trump these each professor Yuval Shawnee Vice President of research at the Israel Democracy Institute. Thank you very much. Thank you very much in Venice Italy. The canals are clear for the first time in decades. It's a beautiful thing. Many locals have been saying at the same time. Those legendary waterways typically dropped thirty million people a year to Venice may be the city's downfall scientists say sea level rise and resulting floods will inundate Venice by the end of the century. Sarah Morocco reported on Venice's watery future for inside climate news. You started writing this report Sarah after terrible flooding in Venice in November of last year. What happened yeah? It was the clouds of November. The CD was really scared because the water was coming higher and higher as we know are two one meter and eighty seven sixty material. That's almost six feet deep yet. And many people were in the shirt to pray or the community was together. But also very scared India San Marco Square and around the city. So what is the connection between these floods at you witnessed and climate change the last one hundred years? We have just twenty three. Aqua is dot even high water events..

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"vincent bevan" Discussed on PRI's The World

PRI's The World

07:57 min | 1 year ago

"vincent bevan" Discussed on PRI's The World

"It's an unusual holiday this year as we can help but focus on people civilian and military who are dying now. Nearly a hundred thousand Americans have died from covid nineteen in the past three months. That's more American dead than from the Vietnam and Korean wars combined that is grim. The encouraging news is the number of daily reported cases in the US appears to be slowing in South America. Though cases are spiking the World Health Organization says the disease epicenter has now shifted their Carolina bucky epidemiologist at Harvard's t h Chan School of Public Health. Thanks for being with us today. Caroline so China Asia Than Europe and North America Africa and now this very active infection rate in South America. When you look at the pattern of the geographic spread of this virus of the last five months. What does it tell you? Well I think the pattern of spread I reflects international connections with the original epicenter in China through air travel and so forth and then since then we've seen efficient transmission in communities beyond that so As you mentioned the number of cases in the US seems to be declining but that really reflects a shift from transmission in large cities like New York which were attached to the original epicenter through air travel initially and a shift into the central part of the country and into other communities that are connected differently so the Patton of outbreaks is following the pattern of migration around the world after the original epicenter in. Wuhan that shift that you just described from a urban to rural communities like here in the state says that duplicated itself and other countries to yes I think. Initially the epidemics was seen in the cities in capital cities. But then we saw a shift to the communities in rural areas. And I think one thing that happened that we've seen over and over again. Is that some of the lockdowns had the impact of moving people out of the cities to rural areas. So we had a kind of you know. Normally we have rural to urban migration and this epidemic has led to policies like travel restrictions which seemed to have shifted people from an sent his out to rural locations and that efficiently transmitted the virus to different parts of the country so that shift as well as the natural progression of people. Traveling around has led to this lag in more rural areas that are only just starting to see that epidemics taking off. President trump is stopping most airline travel from Brazil to the US due to travel restrictions. Like that make any difference at this point. Well I think we have such widespread transmission across the US that is local. I don't think that the travel restrictions are going to make considerable difference to that in meantime get used to best hygiene practices because it sounds like they're going to be around for awhile absolutely this is not this is not going away. The virus is in our communities and it spreads very efficiently so we have to get used to the fact that we need to change all contact patterns. It doesn't have to be a lockdown or nothing. We need to find ways to reduce contacts between susceptible and infectious people in our workplaces at leisure in homes and so on and those social distancing interventions are going to be with us for some time so Memorial Day weekend. It's the official. Start OF SUMMER. There's a patchwork of different protocols and different states for reopening As well as in countries in Europe like Italy on all trying to get back to some degree of normal. What are you most worried about at this point? I think the biggest concern is. That states are reopening without having sufficiently good surveillance to be able to monitor the epidemic. So what that means is if you if you can't monitor infections when they happen than what will happen is that the state will be reactive to for example a such in deaths from covid nineteen. And if you'll reacting to a surge in deaths than you're already behind the curve because deaths occurred three weeks after the infection that caused them so if states do not have sufficiently good surveillance in place. It means they will constantly be reacting too late to what's happening with transmission of the virus and once deaths assessing. You've already got very widespread transmission in your community so my biggest concern is that the valence systems. Necessary to really keep tabs on. What's happening with infections in the community on not sufficient right now and that means that states won't be able to change course if they need to and make sensible policy decisions based on evidence about what's happening in their communities. Caroline Bucky is in epidemiologist at Harvard. T H Chan School of Public Health. Thank you very much for being with us on this Memorial Day. Thank you thank you for having me. China is sending a strong message to Washington today. Stay out of our affairs. In Hong Kong this coming after both Republicans and Democrats threatened sanctions against Beijing over their new plan. Security Law for Hong Kong Beijing's Foreign Ministry today accused Washington of trying to harm China's national security mini-van fundraiser when Jansher Dinsdale. He buys spokesman a Zhao Legion accusing. Us of quote complete lies turning black into white and quote and he described Beijing's efforts in Hong Kong as fighting terrorism. This is just the latest salvo in a long running feud between the US and China Washington and Beijing have big disagreements over trade technology and territory in the Pacific but the atmosphere now has become downright toxic stirring up talk of a new Cold War as that takes hold. How bad could things get? The world's Patrick win reports. There's this buzzword among Chinese officials little Gen Suwa Cold War mentality being cheese them dense Louis. Lean who abandoned the cold? War Mentality says China's foreign affairs spokesman the US treating us like the Soviet Union. They say viewing everything that comes out of China as a threat to America like when trump talks about the corona virus. This is worse than Pearl Harbor. This is worse than the World Trade Center. There's never been an attack like this and it should have never happened. Could have been stopped at the source could have been stopped in China. So here we go again. The United States versus the world's number two power if this is Cold War Two point. Oh we should revisit the first Cold War. It was probably worse than what you learn in school. For starters. It was not cold at all. It was a Cold War for the two most powerful nations on earth the United States and the Soviet Union but for the rest of the role. That was anything but cold. It was it was hot and it was bloody and it was constant. Vincent Bevan's is the author of a new book called The Jakarta method. That's all about the Cold War not the war in Korea the Cuban Missile Crisis Vietnam. The parts everyone knows about but plots that were so well covered up that only now. Are we learning? Just how bad they were through. Declassified files like a us-backed mass murderer campaign that started in Asia and spread to Latin America in more than twenty countries. There was the intentional mass murder of unarmed civilians. Usually for being us or being accused of being leftist it started in Indonesia biggest country in Southeast Asia and back in the nineteen sixties. They had the largest communist party outside China and the USSR. The party wasn't that hard core. They didn't even have guns but they were popular. Here's one of their anthems a a west the CIA they told Indonesia's military wipe.

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