18 Burst results for "Vietnam Syndrome"

"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell

The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell

04:12 min | 9 months ago

"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell

"I hope we learn a lot Clearly there was some benefits of that were brought to the afghan people in terms of increased literacy access to the internet exposure to ideas like democracy And so forth. But when we went into afghanistan with the objective of eliminating terrorists there were perhaps several scores of terrorists there when estimate was one hundred and seventy al qaeda members two thousand and two by the time we left there were terrorist cells throughout the world. The number of terrorists had grown a hundred fold The terror threat was much greater. The war on terror was the wrong idea executed in the wrong way and it failed While we are remain safe here Threats exist throughout the world. But i think we have to ask ourselves. How did we get into a situation. We once again we entered into a war. It drifted without mission. It lasted twenty years. It cost two hundred. Seventy thousand lives overall It costs two trillion dollars and it distracted us from all the things that joe just enumerated and so on the one hand we need to learn those lessons and on the other hand we need to make that pivot. The real lesson of afghanistan is to put it behind us to manage it in the way. That secretary blinken described and then to move forward building back better investing in ourselves and finding a way to engage with the world. A secretary blinken described several months ago. Not from the perspective of american exceptionalism but from the perspective of engagement with equals in real partnership. Listen to more of what secretary blinken said today. About what our lessons should be. Ghanistan was a twenty year endeavor. We must learn its lessons and allow those lessons to shape how we think about fundamental questions of national security and foreign policy. Joe that was the lesson we were supposed to learn from vietnam the fundamental questions of national security and foreign policy and the lesson. I learned from vietnam as a teenager was don't do that again. Don't do any kind of war like that again and that seems to me was one sentence away from what secretary blinken was saying in that passage. That's exactly right and for twenty years. We did not. I mean what is now referred to vietnam syndrome was when we'd listened to those lessons when we understood that this was a lost war that we never should have started that was can profoundly mistaken but with that happened in washington was determined effort to turn that narrative around and they're developed first with nixon and kissinger and then were other proponents in washington foreign policy establishment a stab in the back narrative a myth that we didn't lose the vietnam war no cowardly politicians in congress cut off funding for it. That's why we lost and you saw that justified. You brought up in the early days of the iraq to say no we could have won the vietnam war and we could win the iraq war. We just have to stay and you see it now. In washington with this insidious myth that's being developed that this withdraw role as one person called it was a withdrawal of choice that we could have stayed in afghanistan that we could perhaps have won in afghanistan if cowardly politicians and the far-left had not declared the war lost. This is an extremely important debate to happen on the to shape the future of american foreign policy. Josue only david rothkopf. Thank you both very much for join us again tonight. Really appreciate thank you okay. We'll be right back with tonight's last word which includes the poem quoted by general mackenzie today today..

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"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

The Majority Report with Sam Seder

09:19 min | 9 months ago

"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder

"A president who has like Doesn't accept that entirely and we should say to my god. The how much did the dod in the pentagon budget go up in the last year like i. it's not like he's he's not standing up to military. It's on this one particular thing where he's not giving them what they want. Any standing firm like. It's not a sea change but it is like still something we haven't seen in years. Well he's he's holding the line in terms of our kind of venezuela foreign policy cuba. He's still. I think more hawkish than i wish he would be. When it comes to iran with israel and palestine. he's maintained the line. This has just been something where he has decided. And he's clearly felt this way for awhile that he can this chest and say no better than the the generals here and you guys are trying to give me the runaround. And he's right he's right in this instance So i mean you mentioned vietnam there and this whole generation of politicians who grew up in the vietnam era and i think how much that colors their view of foreign policy right. That's how they approach the war on terror. Like this is going to be our our righteous. Do over we're not going to do things like we. We did in vietnam where it was messy and not not just we drafted everybody and now we'll have a voluntary war of american might and freedom and getting going after the terrorists that attacked us and yet they're still is shades of that in a lot of people in power. They're not. They're not reckoning with no. No this whole project was as unconscionable because war is done constable like we're not there yet. Most incredible thing about about american power is that we we invented this We invented something called vietnam syndrome. After we lost the vietnam war and the problem was that losing the vietnam war made americans Too wary of doing more war. That was the that was the problem. That was what our policymakers took away without like. Oh man now that we lost vietnam. Americans might not want to more war and so the project for years afterwards was to make americans more comfortable with the idea that we can have a clean decisive wars without all of the negative consequences That were felt stateside During the vietnam war because america's always the victim of everything that you know we're always the poor the poor victim of everything and the rest of the world So that was the the the guiding principle of the war on terror has there was also idea from the clinton era that we could just sort of pop in and out of countries and and you know afghanistan was supposed to be done overnight. You know like bush. The bush administration stop caring about a ten minutes in Eiser yeah absolutely and And i think that like It's the it's the lesson that that these people still don't wanna learn if that We lost and there are. There are a lot of lessons about the limitations of our power and the way we use it. Which would take away from this loss. And they're not just. They're not tactical less thirty lessons about Counterinsurgency strategy Their lessons about what. It's possible for us to new their military power our military power to do in the world. Yeah i mean. Unfortunately we're just. I still don't see enough of a heating of some of those lessons. Although i i think the i think the iraq war generation people that grew up during that time antiwar anti imperialism anti interventionism as a concept was treated as inherently unserious. Right you are not somebody understands it. You'll understand how things work you didn't understand the complexities of being world. Superpower and in terms of our national security establishment. they'll never learn but the reporters that cover them there as gung ho about it as their sources and now you you know but i think the younger generation coming up there this will not always be as dominant as it is now. at least. That's the only thing. I can tell myself because of how the iraq war colored so many young people's ideas about american warfare. This is part of the this part of the historical screeching of the entire foreign policy. Establishment is that They know they lost generation. Because the ereck word protesters turned out to be right. And i don't think that. I don't think that there's like widespread. I don't think there's widespread principle anti interventionism in the sense of like. We don't have a generation of pacifist. But we have the generation. That's incredibly cynical about american power and the credit incredibly skeptical of america's ability to To wield power in the world. In a way that these people think that would show and that is I think psychically wounding two out of these people who've been pre entire identity of builds up in their being a national consensus about america's a goodness and hegemonic power the fact that there is a generation. That's skeptical of all of those things they don't want to admit it and they're basically inventing stabbed in the back narratives to explain it away and the media front blake i rem. I remain unsurprised by very depressed. That for the foreign policy establishment media They're all all of them. Still entirely never sent sourced by defense. Contractors had to pentagon officials former pentagon officials They they have no one in the rolodexes. Who's ever skeptical of any element of the war on terror and at this point. That's ridiculous completely irresponsible. And you are you get a truer sense of what all this was about reading someone. Skeptical from day one than you do from someone who has been on the ground onto there but it was only sources on what is happening. There are people in the best interest in continuing the forever. War yeah I mean it would behoove them to maybe have some afghan sources people who live out. You would think maybe yeah. Yeah but you know that those aren't serious people. Let's let's turn to the supreme court. They overturned the biden administration slash. Cdc's extension of the eviction war terrarium and a safety three ruling now. A supreme supreme court doesn't matter to buy some progressive. But this is obviously something. That's going to be devastating. Three point five million people on the brink of houses nestling fiction. The it seems like that the the by administration was even reluctant to extend the moratorium because they knew was this was inevitable. Meyer argument was okay extended and then let the supreme court overturned it and i would still do it anyway. Or even if it was but you know they. They knew that this was coming down the pike but they extended it and the supreme court acted fairly swiftly in favor of landlords. Talk a bit about the consequences of this and you see it going. Yeah i mean the notable thing about it it's at I think if i didn't recreation sort of knew this would happen and there is still not any sense of a strategy for how to deal with at half in the sense that like we know we now know the the the behavior this court and what it involves a lot of time as these For shadow docket six three rulings that are released in the dead of night That have major policy consequences. That don't even happen. After oral argument. They're not even happening the way it normal supreme court arguments that happened. They're not happening Being interrupted by my son's once. I hear i'm sorry now i'm almost done. Yeah that's needed and When i say was not a strategy for dealing with it like.

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"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on 860AM The Answer

860AM The Answer

06:58 min | 9 months ago

"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on 860AM The Answer

"One on one where we get to know our very special guests. That little bit better and also dive deep into the issues of today. None of those three minute long segments that you normally get but a serious discussion on serious issues with serious people In this time, I am delighted to be with somebody who I consider not only a former colleague, a great American, but also A friend, former deputy national security advisor in the Trump administration. She is she's well, let's just say the institutional memory. Of the national security establishment when it comes to the good guys, Author of Revolution Trump Washington and we, the people KT. McFarland, Welcome to America First one on one It's always great to be with you, Sebastian. Thanks so much for having me on. So we have so much to discuss with regards to the disasters occurring in Central Asia in the last two weeks. But let's start by those who may have just accidentally happened on this channel found us on Rumble downloaded this podcast. Tell them a little bit about who KT McFarland is when she started to get involved in national security issues, and then your climb to the heights of power in the White House under the Trump administration started in 1970. I was a freshman in college at George Washington University. And I've got partial scholarship and had to pay the rest of my way through school. So I got a part time typing job in the West wing of the White House and the White House situation room working for a guy who wasn't very well known at the time. By the name of Henry Kissinger, and he was Richard Nixon's national security advisor. So I started working part time in the night time typing pool. For Henry Kissinger in the West Wing and then Worked in the Nixon administration. The foreign administrations went to graduate school during the Carter administration went to Oxford University and then Mitt where I studied and taught nuclear weapons. Then joined the Reagan administration when we won the Cold War was part of the Pentagon. Team that helped win the Cold War, got the Pentagon's highest civilian award. For that service. And then I retired. We had one our cold war. My war was wanted done. And so I'm married, had five kids. Was living a good life in New York at a Long island and then September 11th happened and it convinced me to get back into government because I had such a pretty. I mean, it's such extensive experience at that point, so I did, and I ran for the U. S. Senate against Hillary Clinton and the organ lost predictably. But I did get back involved in a lot of issues and then became the Fox News, National security analyst for Over a decade until I joined the Trump administration. Which I did at the beginning. And so here I am out of the Trump administration and back on talking to important people like you about issues. I care deeply about what your national security Well, that that is, uh I'll just say a unique expands of experience and expertise. So let's start with with an obvious place to begin our conversation. That you've seen numerous exigencies disasters, Emergencies affecting America's national security establishment. Let's start with a simple comparison. KT. McFarland Follow this right lady right now on Twitter at real Katie the letters K T. McFarland. Um, is it um Unwise. Is it too simplistic to compare the fall of Kabul under Biden to the fall of Saigon? Give us your take on that comparison. Well, I was actually in the White House situation room the night of the fall of Saigon. I was It was in April, 1975 and America. Had fought and at least fought to a standstill. The Vietnam War. And similarly to today we were surrounded. By North Vietnamese Vietcong Communist forces and were forced to evacuate. Um, our forces in along with any North Sea. I mean, South Vietnamese allies who had helped us for the Vietnam War. And it was a humiliating time for America. Not only had we lost a war But we were forced to evacuate and it was a low point of American foreign policy. And I remember being in the situation room where I was receiving care. They were called cables at the time. You probably call him emails or text messages today. From the van, ambassador to the American ambassador to Vietnam, where he was saying, We just need a few more hours. We have just another plane loader to we're evacuating all the America and all the American military. We later found out that what they were doing was trying to evacuate as many as possible of the Vietnamese allies that have helped us Um, So it was a low point in American foreign policy in history because it showed to the world in the face he gave to the world was Americans in confident America can't fight wars and win them. It's the end of time America's days are done. And it fed into the notion that at that time the Soviet Union was going to replace America as the world's dominant power. And slowly But surely United States turned that around, especially with the election in 1980 of Ronald Reagan, where he rebuilt the American military. He stood up for the United States again, He reinstated American values. He fixed the American economy. And within a decade after that, we had wonderful war, so we completely reverse. That Vietnam syndrome and it only took us well. It took us maybe 10 or 15 years to do it I wanted today is there's a lot of ways it's worse. Because the symbol of the United States with a shambolic incompetent Withdrawal from from Afghanistan, which I was very much in favor of. I was in favor of getting out of Afghanistan, 15 or 20 years ago. But when we had defeated out Al Qaeda and December of 2000 and one but we stuck around Afghanistan for 20 years to build a nation. Which was always going to be a failed mission. But it's not that decision to get in or get out. It's the way it was done. And the Biden administration even everybody here for 20 years we were getting out of Afghanistan, and we knew for at least a couple of years that the Taliban would eventually take over and be pretty ruthless. They seem to be caught so unprepared. So what should have been orderly and a Sad moment in American foreign policy. I think it's now could be a watershed moment for American stature in the world. You know, the world is looking at us. And saying, Jesus, they can't get out. They they fight a ragtag militia army. For 20 years. I can't beat him..

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"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

05:10 min | 9 months ago

"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

"I was receiving case. They were called cables at the time. You'd probably call an e mails text messages today. From the van ambassador to the american ambassador to vietnam where he was saying we. We just need fewer hours. We have just another planeload or to evacuate and all the american. All the american military we later found out that what they were doing was trying to evacuate as many as possible of the vietnamese allies that it helped us So it was a low point in american foreign policy and because it showed to the world the face. Agape world was america's incompetent america Can't fight wars and win them. It's the end of time. America's days are done and it fed into the notion that at that time the soviet union was gonna replace america's the world's dominant power and so surely united states turn that around with especially with the election in nineteen eighty of ronald reagan where he rebuilt the american military. He stood up for the united states again. He reinstated american values. He fixed the american economy and within a decade. After that we had one war so we completely reversed that vietnam syndrome and it only took us. Well it took us maybe ten or fifteen years to do it. I worried today is a lot of ways. It's worse because the symbol of the united states with his shambolic incompetent restall from From afghanistan which. I was very much favour of i was in favor of getting out of afghanistan. Fifteen or twenty years ago but when we defeated al qaeda and december two thousand one. We stuck around out of afghanistan for twenty years to build a nation which was always going to be a failed mission. But it's not the decision to get in or get out. It's the way it was done and the biden. Even everybody who for twenty years we were getting out of afghanistan and we knew for at least a couple of years that the taliban would eventually take over and be pretty ruthless We they seem to be caught so unprepared so what should have been orderly and a sad moment. In american foreign policy i think now could be a watershed moment for american stature. In the world you know the world is looking at us and saying jesus. They can't get a they fight a ragtag militia army for twenty years. They can't beat him and now look they can't even get out and the chinese are in the same role that the soviet union was in the late night in the middle nineteen seventies where it changed. You're going around the world. Say america. America's done it's inevitable decline irreversible decline. The world is going to belong to china in the twenty first century and they say to our allies and our adversaries. You better come aboard while you can because america's finished so when i look back at that this is a long answer to a question that pretty pretty simple. The soviet union was never much of an adversary at the end of the day because they had a very small economy and we beat them on technology the economy. That's how we won the cold war today. The adversary china has a very large economy large population and it is striving to be the technology capital of the world. So china's a much more formidable adversary. And it's much more tenacious. So i think we have a few years to turn it around not much but if we have the right people elected in two thousand twenty two two thousand twenty four. We can do to for the united states. What ronald reagan did. If we don't then. I really do think america's that one's great nation that is replaced by china. We'll talk about in china. We have time to talk about china. Kt mcfarland author of a revolution Let's talk about the last few days. Your reaction to seeing a president come back from vacation gives sixteen minute speech. Don't take any questions and then go back to vacation as up to forty thousand. Americans are stuck his potential hostages into ghanistan than having a secretary of defense a national security advisor. A chief diplomat in the form of antony blinken say hopefully will get everybody out. But we don't have the capacity to do so now your reaction. Kt feeds his notion. That america's incompetent. It doesn't know what it's doing couldn't get our people out but not if we behave the way we're doing i mean when president biden is there's just lying and they immediately just sort of lapping it up saying. Oh right president biden your great. What kind of ice cream do you like. And they're not really calling him or his administration to account but let's fast forward a couple of weeks. I mean i've spent some time in afghanistan and there are americans there thousands of americans all over the country. They're not in downtown kabul trying to get to the airport and they're in small groups. They'll be like two americans teaching at a school in herat province or maybe five americans who were part of a farmer's cooperative teaching afghans how to farm with modern irrigation and and solar pumps and those are the people who are being left behind they have no way to get to kabul they if they even if they got had a car and they tried to get their. They'd have to go pass checkpoint after checkpoint after checkpoint of tribal leaders.

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"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

02:28 min | 9 months ago

"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

"Seen numerous exigencies disasters. Emergencies affecting america's national security establishment. Let's start with a simple can palace and katie mcfarland. Follow this lady right now on twitter at real. Kt the lettuce. Kt mcfarland Is it Unwise is it too simplistic to compare the fall of kabul under biden to the fall of saigon. Give us your take on. That comparison was actually in the white house situation room. The night of the fall saigon. I was That was in april. Nineteen seventy five and america had fought and at least fought to a standstill the vietnam war and similarly to today. We were surrounded by North vietnamese viet cong communist forces and were forced to evacuate Our our forces along with any north and south east amis allies. Who had helped us for the vietnam war and it was a humiliating time for america not only had lost a war but we were forced to evacuate and it was a low point of american foreign policy and i remember being in the situation room where i was receiving case. They were called cables at the time. You'd probably call an e mails text messages today. From the van ambassador to the american ambassador to vietnam where he was saying we. We just need fewer hours. We have just another planeload or to evacuate and all the american. All the american military we later found out that what they were doing was trying to evacuate as many as possible of the vietnamese allies that it helped us So it was a low point in american foreign policy and because it showed to the world the face. Agape world was america's incompetent america Can't fight wars and win them. It's the end of time. America's days are done and it fed into the notion that at that time the soviet union was gonna replace america's the world's dominant power and so surely united states turn that around with especially with the election in nineteen eighty of ronald reagan where he rebuilt the american military. He stood up for the united states again. He reinstated american values. He fixed the american economy and within a decade. After that we had one war so we completely reversed that vietnam syndrome and it only took us. Well it took us maybe ten or fifteen years to do

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How Does the Fall of Kabul Compare to the Fall of Saigon?

America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

02:28 min | 9 months ago

How Does the Fall of Kabul Compare to the Fall of Saigon?

"Seen numerous exigencies disasters. Emergencies affecting america's national security establishment. Let's start with a simple can palace and katie mcfarland. Follow this lady right now on twitter at real. Kt the lettuce. Kt mcfarland Is it Unwise is it too simplistic to compare the fall of kabul under biden to the fall of saigon. Give us your take on. That comparison was actually in the white house situation room. The night of the fall saigon. I was That was in april. Nineteen seventy five and america had fought and at least fought to a standstill the vietnam war and similarly to today. We were surrounded by North vietnamese viet cong communist forces and were forced to evacuate Our our forces along with any north and south east amis allies. Who had helped us for the vietnam war and it was a humiliating time for america not only had lost a war but we were forced to evacuate and it was a low point of american foreign policy and i remember being in the situation room where i was receiving case. They were called cables at the time. You'd probably call an e mails text messages today. From the van ambassador to the american ambassador to vietnam where he was saying we. We just need fewer hours. We have just another planeload or to evacuate and all the american. All the american military we later found out that what they were doing was trying to evacuate as many as possible of the vietnamese allies that it helped us So it was a low point in american foreign policy and because it showed to the world the face. Agape world was america's incompetent america Can't fight wars and win them. It's the end of time. America's days are done and it fed into the notion that at that time the soviet union was gonna replace america's the world's dominant power and so surely united states turn that around with especially with the election in nineteen eighty of ronald reagan where he rebuilt the american military. He stood up for the united states again. He reinstated american values. He fixed the american economy and within a decade. After that we had one war so we completely reversed that vietnam syndrome and it only took us. Well it took us maybe ten or fifteen years to do

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"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

02:16 min | 9 months ago

"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

"We have so much to discuss with regards to the disasters occurring in central asia in the last two weeks. But let's start by those who may have just accidentally happened on this channel. Found us on rumble. Downloaded this podcast. Tell them a little bit about who. Kt mcfarland is when she started to get involved in national security issues. And then you'll climb to the heights of power in the white house under the trump administration starting in nineteen seventy. I was a freshman in college at george washington university and got partial scholarship and had to pay the rest of my way through school. So i got a part time typing job in the west wing of the white house and the white house situation room. Working for guy wasn't very well known at the time by the name of henry kissinger and he was richard nixon's national security advisor. So i started working part time in the nighttime typing pool for henry kissinger In the west wing and then worked in the nixon administration. The ford administration went to graduate school during the carter administration went to oxford university and then. Mit where i studied and taught nuclear weapons Then joined the reagan administration when we won the cold war Was part of the pentagon team Did one help win. The cold war got the pentagon's highest civilian award for that service. And then i retired. We'd want our cold war. My war was one done. And so i married. Had five. kids was living the good life in new york and long island and then september eleventh happened and it convinced me to get back into government because i had such a pretty extensive experience. I point so. I did And i ran for the. Us senate against hillary clinton the organ lost. Predictably but i did Get back involved in a lot of issues. And then he came. The fox news national security analysts for over a decade until i joined the trump administration Which i did at the beginning and so here. I am out of the trump administration of back on talking to import. People like you about issues. I care deeply about what your national security

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"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on This American President

This American President

04:55 min | 9 months ago

"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on This American President

"The nation. Reagan said the following last weekend. I was awakened in the early morning hours and told the six members of the organization of eastern caribbean states joined by jamaica and barbados had sent an urgent request that we join them in a military operation to restore order and democracy grint to grenada. They were proposing this action under the terms of a treaty of mutual assistance pact that existed among them. These small peaceful nations needed our help. Three of them don't have armies at all and the others have very limited forces the legitimacy of their request plus my own concern for our citizens dictated my decision. I believe our government has a responsibility to go to the aid of citizens if their right to life and liberty is threatened. The nightmare of our hostages in iran must never be repeated when the operation was over the us lost about nineteen men while grenada had lost. Forty five men the cubans. The soviets also suffered casualties. The resistance melted away. Hudson austin's government was deposed and a new government led by paul. Schoon was installed. The governments of britain. Canada and other countries were not pleased by invasion the un general assembly labeled it quote a flagrant violation of international law and voted overwhelmingly for a statement against it but militarily. The invasion was a great success by december. The us had left grenada. The following year elections were held on the island leading to the free and peaceful election of herbert blaze. The island has enjoyed peaceful and free elections ever since although the invasion had its critics inside and outside the us. The fact of the matter is that before. The invasion grenada was ruled by authoritarian communist governments. And after it. It was free and peaceful and the success of the invasion restored american confidence in their military ever since the disaster. In vietnam americans were leery of the use of force a feeling many called the quote vietnam syndrome. The victory reminded the country that their military was still the greatest in the world in his speech. Reagan cited the link between the events in lebanon and grenada in the broader struggle against communism. The events in lebanon grenada. The oceans apart are closely related not only as moscow assistant encourage the violence in both countries but it provides direct support through a network of sora gates and terrorists. It is no coincidence that when the thugs tried to rest control over grenada there were thirty soviet advisors and hundreds of cuban military and paramilitary forces on the island. At the moment of our landing we communicated with the governments of cuba and the soviet union and told them we would offer shelter and security to their people on grenada. Regrettably castro ordered his men to fight to the death and some did. The others will be sent to their homelands and there was another connection. Historian h w brands later observed quote at least at a psychological. Maybe even a moral level. Reagan was doing something in grenada that he wanted to do in lebanon. But couldn't he could do it in grenada. He could show the world that the united states would take action to defend its interests. Some historian said that reagan was lucky to have had such an easy victory on small caribbean island to wipe away. the memory of what had happened in lebanon. This is an easy thing to say. But it's a story. And paul king notes even smaller military adventures are not guaranteed successes. Just look at america's experience in the bay of pigs crisis under president kennedy or the attempted helicopter rescue hostages under president carter or the humanitarian mission in somalia under presidents bush and clinton either way it was a triumph for the reagan administration. One that is even met the approval of many and grenada. The island now celebrates the date of the invasion as a national holiday. Reagan had flexed america's muscle. He proved that he could back up strong words with strong actions when it came to confronting the communists but there was another side to ronald reagan. Aside that was terrified the prospect of nuclear war and was hoping to end its threat to humanity. He had an dacian. Some would even save foolhardy plan that he hoped would accomplish just that but he waited for the right moment to reveal that moment and regan's quest to make the world a safer place is the story of the next episode.

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"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes

All In with Chris Hayes

02:12 min | 9 months ago

"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes

"The generals the defense establishment in this country for boxing in presidents of both parties. Well many i'm going to be fair here. Any commander on the graph is gonna one more resources that's natural. They're looking in isolation. What can i do best to solve this problem. Not dennis dan and the answer. That is often going to be more. Troops are more taught. And i do think the military you know having been given this mission way back in two thousand one. Two thousand to the nation built map ghanistan. There's a natural momentum for them to want to continue in stay with more resources and know that that was the dynamic. That is prevail. Get a time. that's why. I think we have to go back and question. First principles your many interesting after the vietnam war ended. There was something is often discussed by foreign policy. Pundits immediate washington the vietnam syndrome and what their virtues. It was a bad thing that the united states is more reticent to go to war and conduct nation-building efforts nasa distant countries. Actually maybe we should have learned that lesson at that time Because i think the the issue with the military is if you give them the mission of nation building in places like afghans in iraq. What we've learned in this warranty on terror is that the military can go. They can take things out. They can deny tear savings. It can roll back messes. They even topple regimes but the us military's not built to be able to to bill govern governance in places like minister. I hope we have learned that lesson ban but time will tell ben rhodes. Thank you for your time tonight. We'll have to leave at expanding the man who threatened to blow up his pickup truck near capitol hill yesterday. Engaging police in an hour's long standoff before finally surrendering is now charged with two felonies threatening to use a weapon of mass destruction and attempting to use an explosive device. He remains in jail tonight. And as i watched the response to yesterday's events particularly republican politicians. There was a clear double standard play. That made me kinda angry. Alex plane right after this short break. Do not go anywhere in.

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"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on Pod Save the World

Pod Save the World

08:19 min | 9 months ago

"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on Pod Save the World

"Slash crooked world. So a couple more things. So i think everyone's trying to figure out. Now what will italian government look like. I think recent history doesn't paint a hopeful picture so when the taliban was in charge of aghanistan back in the late nineties you now in the judicial system was based on pretty strict interpretation of sharia law. Women's rights were severely curtailed. They were forced to wear burqas. They weren't allowed to go out on companied. Women couldn't go to school. They were rampant. Human rights abuses religious minorities particularly shia muslims were targeted attacks assassinated There's been some reporting speculation about the current taliban leadership. Structure bennett was not heartening to see a serejudin. Connie deputy leader of one of the heads of the connie group one of the more you know vicious brutal terrorist factions in the country. So you know. It's probably too early to speculate. About what the taliban government might look like. But i mean how do you expect. The international community will or will not interact with them. Because you're already hearing about meetings with russians. Maybe meetings with the chinese what the us might do what presence will keep whether of a rapid the un right. I mean all these questions are getting asked because kind of have to. So i mean first of all i. The taliban is clue gotten better at its media strategy. Look i don't have any press conference today. Yeah then they did an interview with a a woman journals from tolo news. The main afghan news outlet there I still think that the true colors of the taliban are brutal and that they will repress women and they may not be as as performance of as it was at at its pre-nine eleven height when they've got bin laden they're and they're executing people and soccer stadiums but it's not gonna it's gonna be brutal it's going to be very grim Circumstance here. So here's the dilemma If the they're going to get some recognition right you've already seen the russians didn't evacuate anybody from their embassy like the the. The chinese hosted a taliban delegation recently like iran which has tensions with taliban for for a lot of reasons You know can engage them a as neighbor pakistan. You're said they they're gonna wait on recognizing but pakistan hosted these guys for for a long time. So they're going to get that's going to happen I think the real challenge for the us and other countries is on the one hand you don't necessarily want to recognize and legitimize what could be a truly brutal and repressive government on the other hand. What you're seeing now is just having a lot of attention on this does have some moderating influence so i think the policy dilemma is is life marginally better for afghans if we recognize the taliban and you have an embassy there and just trying to add more countries pressing them to be less horrible or it. Is it better served to not recognize him because of the nature of with our. I don't know the question. Here's what i do know. One of the consistent policy failures in afghanistan is our failure to listen to afghans. Look like the the like i. In this is critic. I apply across american policy. Like we've been in afghanistan for forty years. Basically if you count the fact that we basically created the mujahedeen who evolved into the taliban in the reagan years when. We're using them to fight the soviets and had no time like we always look at this place just through the prism of of whatever the the present day political context is in the united states. Like like we need to be another reason. Why you want a big atkins ashburn of the reason why you want a lot of these people to get out like like. Let's listen to them like let's listen to them about how to think about the taliban and had to think about these questions Because again i think too often. We've been trying to impose solutions on afghanistan. A place that we clearly don't understand no matter how long you work on this issue from washington And so. I think we're gonna be informed by that that that you point as well. Yes so the last thing. I wanna talk about is the politics because you know the situation. The what's happening over. There is far more important but it's also been very annoying Over the last few days hearing cable news pundits say. Oh americans don't care about foreign policy. It's not clear if this will impact them up total self-fulfilling prophecy there. Yeah and it's also it's true until it isn't right. America's didn't care about foreign policy until nine eleven happened and then drove every election for several cycles. So you know. Over the years polling. His found pretty big majority of americans wanted to get out of afghanistan Politico morning consult did a poll. That came out on monday. That said that might be changing quickly. They pulled from friday to monday and found that support for withdrawal had gone from sixty nine percent april to forty nine percent. Now if that's accurate and there's reasons to doubt all these polls that'd be a big shift but also wonder if you know supporter oppose being afghanistan or supporter oppose withdrawing math ghanistan question because sometimes the feeling the sentiment is just for basic like it can be. Americans don't like losing they don't like hearing that the. Us has been humiliated which is literally the language. You're hearing from like new york times straight news. Copy right like america's humiliated biden humiliated that language. It's about pride And you know like you. Also what will happen if there are these horrifying images out of afghantistan like we saw in the late ninety s Or if there's reports that the al qaeda gaining strength right there's always ways this could cut so it's obviously too early to know what the politics will be. But i do things. We're talking about it. Because this fear of terrorism and the insanity with which we've put resources behind preventing terrorism while like six hundred thousand people die from cove it right. It's it's it's obvious. It's obviously a mismatch imbalance. But those terrible policy choices are driven by these perverse post nine eleven political incentives like. We need fix it and i don't really know how in this week is not giving me a lot of hope. Yeah i'd say two things about this i i think the first thing is. There's a kind of dumbness to how you know this get stuffed into some narrative that can be digested by like a certain vein of dc political commentary so like this whole saigon thing right. This is a lot like vietnam in the sense that like we should have learned after vietnam that we shouldn't fight wars like this and countries if we don't understand where he was leads us to make mistakes that that's the commonality like i don't think gerald ford look something has changed in the washington. Dc kind of political class. Like my. it's not my understanding that like when the helicopters took off and those images it was like what does this mean for for. Gerald ford was like what does this mean for the decades. We spend a vietnam. You know And so there's this kind of over-simplification of things that misses the bigger point. Which is that. We shouldn't fight worse like this and and you know. How many times do you have to learn that there. Even you know the enaam syndrome which became this kind of d. c. foreign policy in media framework. That suggested that it was bad that we learned from vietnam that we shouldn't fight wars and we had to get over vietnam syndrome like no. I hope we get back to having vietnam syndrome or whatever you want to it so that that's about the the lesson taken from this. There's such short term. Risen about like is the lesson that biden had a bad week. You know or or the optics debate with the optics debiasi alone at camp david. Why didn't he speak on sunday versus monday. What are we know. Why does the united states of america have a foreign policy that has repeatedly led it to engage in wars and countries that we don't understand that that morphine nation building exercises at fail like that..

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"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on The Ben Shapiro Show

The Ben Shapiro Show

06:57 min | 9 months ago

"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on The Ben Shapiro Show

"Stops with me. I'm deeply saddened by the facts. We now face for. I do not regret my decision to end america's warfighting afghanistan and maintain a laser focus on our counterterrorism mission. There and other parts of the world. I cannot and will not ask our troops to fight on endlessly another in another country civil war. Taking casualties suffering life shattered injuries. Leaving families broken by grief and loss. This is not in our national security interest. It is not what the american people want. it is not what are troops have sacrificed so much over the past. Two decades deserve okay. Our troops by the way i. I hope you've talked to somebody who served in afghanistan. There is no one more devastated today. By what joe biden has done them to serve afganistan who spent their lives left their limbs in afghanistan in order to preserve america against terrorists taking over that place. This ask just pulled everybody out so let the taliban takeover in the name of those soldiers. Yeah i think not. I think not if the buck stops joe biden and stops of their joe biden thousands of corpses in the streets. Those will be joe biden. The women will get hit with acid in the face that is on. Joe biden the rebuilding of terror. Groups in afghanistan will be on joe biden movement by china into the regional beyond joe biden chinese more aggressive movement in the south china sea and against. I wanna be joe biden russia's more aggressive movement with regard to the middle east syria iran. Lb joe biden iran hezbollah moving on israel. That will be on joe biden when you create a vacuum in american foreign policy. Someone else takes over and will all be on joe biden the buck indeed stops with him and so the corpses. They stopped at his door because he created this he owns it and even though tried to blame everybody else on earth. He is the one who owns it. In the end he has created the saigon. It's amazing he spent a month trying to claim. Saigon wouldn't happen and then saigon happened and i was bragging about it. Concluded his speech by bragging at this was just like saigon. Remember month ago. Saigon was a disaster is who never relied saigon. Never now it's exactly like saigon and he's happy about it made a commitment to the brave men and women who serve this nation that i wasn't going to ask them to continue to risk their lives in the military accident should have ended up long ago. Our leaders did that in vietnam. When i got here is a young man. I will not do it in afghanistan so there he is where he says. The ending of the war in vietnam was supposed to end supposed to end or what happened. In saigon the democratic congress de funded the south amies government. It took four and a half months after that funding against the advice of gerald ford for the viet cong to overrun saigon and frosty half to evacuate are missing and hundreds of thousands of people float off the coast in boats and for two million people be killed in cambodia. Joe biden that was good in the end after all of this after. All of this free said this wasn't going to be like saigon. It wasn't going to be like vietnam was any of that. He says you know what it is like that. And it's good that it's like that because vietnam for so. Many people like joe biden. The vietnam syndrome is not something to be avoided. It is something to be championed a week. America on the foreign policy stage is good. Joe biden does not see america's interests as interest to be pursued by variety of end ranging from the diplomatic to the military and sometimes in tandem. Instead he sees diplomacy as the end in and of itself military force is always bad. And i i'm seeing a lot of people in the today sank things. Well you know now that we're bringing these military will we're not spending forty million forty billion bucks in afghanistan every year. And we're not. Having the american military afganistan this will allow street a place show of hands. Who thinks we're gonna redeployed to the southern border. Anybody show of hands. Who thinks that we're going to up our naval forces in the south china sea with the resources. We just saved nap. Ghanistan or confront the russians or confront the orleans. Now who thinks that what. Joe biden justed is going to be the predicate free series of regional surrenders around the globe to other heterogenous powers or interested in seizing power against the interest of the united states is the same administration. It is busily. Working to surrender to china is the same administration it is busily working grant power to russia by green-lighting the nord stream two pipeline. This is the same administration that is attempting to currently negotiated deal with the milwaukee in iran. This is not a this is not a bug in the system. Joe biden is happy about it. He does not look at. What's happening in afghanistan is unfolding incipient. Disaster it was his goal. It's what he wanted. He bragged about yesterday and by the way he then took like two questions. Turn around and went back on vacation. That's how much empathetic grandpa cares. That's how much he cares because he thinks this is a victory for him and the members of the press. Already championing it. You're starting to see editorial boards from the left an oh well you know it is heroic after all. I mean that speech. I that really wasn't amazing speech and if people on the right fall for this crap seriously if they fall for the idea that this was somehow good for the united states. And i'll tell you. The world has a habit of clocking american isolationist tendencies in the aftermath of like One of the things. That joe biden said here he continues to say it. Is that the united states. Basically has no interest in the in the outcome of wars and other countries. Well we kind of do when it turns out the impact on us. It's happened many many times. In american history or sort of non interventionist policy ends up being some pretty rotten fruit ranging all the way back to america's nonintervention in the russian civil war of nineteen seventy nine hundred eighteen where we basically just stood aside let the communist takeover with like a skeleton force that only led to seventy years of cold war nor were the united states did not actually leave any sort of troops in europe. In the aftermath of world war one leading to the rise and reconstitution of the nazi power to the thing. Is this when it comes to foreign policy. Foreign policy is very often about the risk that you take to to to stop things that have not yet materialized and so it's very easy for people isolationist to say well nothing's materialized. You would have been that way anyway. It's very easy to say. Okay you know. Twenty years in afghanistan. What did we get for our money. What did we get for it and the answer. Typically from people on the right has been what we got is no nine elevens. That was the cost right. The cost was no nine. Eleven's no global al-qaeda power. That was the cost right as we got. That was what we bought with all that blood and treasure. That's what we got and people on the isolationist right and on the far left they will say things like well. you know. maybe that was going to happen anyway. Maybe it was over already. How do you know.

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"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on Citation Needed

Citation Needed

06:20 min | 11 months ago

"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on Citation Needed

"Fuck and map though. We'll figure it out later. It's really become a copy of that. Fucking economists we'll just hover over things point at them. of course. Some american politicians joined with virtually the entire rest of the world in condemning it including the congressional black caucus presidential candidate jesse jackson and then mayor of burlington vermont bernie sanders join more than fifty thousand people in dc for an antiwar march. A few weeks later. Yeah that sounds like some great people right there but about a year later. Reagan won reelection in the largest landslide in american presidential history so fun. Despite reagan's dismissive rhetoric ultimately the us did capitulate to you and demands and slunk out of the island nation somehow simultaneously beating our chests and Tails between our legs and because grenada is a commonwealth nation. It actually put the uk in the awkward position of having to find an excuse not to go to war with the us over it which they were. Technically obligated to do ultimately margaret thatcher supported the action in public but private communications. The reagan that were released later shows she was furious about it but despite what an embarrassment the operation was both internationally and militarily reagan still use it to declare an end the vietnam syndrome after very nearly getting their asses kicked by country whose population at the time was rivaled by modern day. Kenosha wisconsin. Reagan declared are days of weakness are over. Our military forces are back on their feet and standing tall and quote and as to the airport. That extensively sparked reagan's interest well in two thousand and nine. It was officially renamed. The maurice bishop international airport a what would have been his sixty fifth birthday and tom. If you'd like to summarize noah's essay in one sentence how would you do it that we all have at least one more reason to be glad. We didn't go to war with russia. The quiz absolutely whack ran yup right tom. Which of the following is the best video game about. Ronald reagan being a garbage human being. Hey president evil. That is so perfect. It's perfect be grand theft autocrat. Amazing iran-contra d. I killed a ton of people by ignoring aids. Because i'm a horrible person booking fortnight. Amazing bro it. Well it's gotta be d- fortnight as the devil. I wouldn't say that was why it's the but yes it was no i miss the. It's four. feel like you missed the thrust of dean vork right correct. That's what i got out of it tom. What's the best slogan for arale reagan presidency a arising apartheid lifts. All boats sided cannot stand laughing all the way to the bankruptcy or a more perfect union. Buster oh i mean but see so. You're headed out of the park with the first one arising rising apartheid lifts all that is so we support the wrong side. All right tom. What was the posthumous nickname. For the invasion of grenada. A bay of this little piggy went to market. Just what is happening. They can't killers. are we making. Why did we let him do this. Why do we do this. It'd be fun. It i have never done does no you do the one answer. Joe does it but did you like. That's worse i thing. By how about any do you see characters. They all pay the puck. I'll do it. Yeah that's trump say he go d. minus. This one's good team minus stays good stays good. Yeah they get worse e. The massacre of my lai spelled m. y. e. d. Nobody say anything when he does that. One operation harlow rocha barbarossa. No that's not why. Those aren't close. What i didn't even if it was barbara. Still there's still didn't get it. B minus day was almost good read incorrect. oh oh eli. I don't know why you win. Someone wrote it down the union. That's crazy. I win what i want. See soul to rent an essay. Fine it will be something to upon for at the end all right well for sure not know eli and keith. i'm c. So thank you for hanging. Say we'll be back next week. But then i will be an expert on something else to he. Now and then show plug. And if you'd like to help keep the show going. You can make a per so donation at patriot dot com slash citation pod. Or you can leave us. A five star review everywhere. You can't if you like to get in touch with us. Check out past episodes connect on social media or check the show notes. We sure to check out. Citation pod dot com. It's not gonna and if you wanna fuck eli you can become a two hundred dollar patron. I'll fuck you for tuning again. Underbid that makes sense one ninety nine. I would've loved somebody say another number. And from there we'll take the beachfront move up the coast and established wreck sound good mr president and the choo choo train. I'm gonna take that as a yes..

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"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on Citation Needed

Citation Needed

07:04 min | 11 months ago

"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on Citation Needed

"Just going to give it a may take some time needed pillow guy so in the wake of the contested election you end up with violent clashes between the nj 'em and gary's private army the mongoose. You're looking for a name. That sense fear. Enemies hearts changes to canadian goose gang. That'll scare somebody we got him. Jenny volcano the mongoose guy. Are we sure this country and not like a wii novel so the state of affairs are bad ass though they can kill cobras right. They're the ones that like eat. Poisonous snakes really easily do they do. Attack cobras yeah but this. It's still a terrible name for your gang. Sorry venomous snakes. Don't email me assholes venomous. You all know what. I meant poisonous. Venomous on communication words. Buck you in advance. So the state of affairs goes on for an early years until march thirteenth of nineteen seventy nine when gary made the mistake of leaving the country long enough for bishop to lead an armed revolution and oust his government in a bloodless coup bishop house gary and establishes the people's revolutionary government. Now you might think it wouldn't much matter to global politics who's running a country of ninety thousand people but this was during the time of the cold war bishop named his eldest son vladimir lenin bishop and grenade is merely fifteen hundred miles from the us coastline. Which is what. Americans think of as close by bishop runs grenada. But then he makes the mistake of the american people electing ronald reagan. Yeah countries full of brown people made that mistake. Man world of jimmy. Carter walter mondale so boring but amazing fucking better god. As one of those time machine moments like john connors fighting cyborgs in the future to eventually deal with the reagan thing and go back. This is probably hard for most people in this country or indeed the world to believe but there was actually a time. When america wasn't at war with anybody why in fact i know by the time ronald reagan took office in nineteen ninety-one. It had been a half a dozen years since the us had engaged in any major military operation and the united states not using its military to kill any brown people for six whole years. It's such an odd circumstance that it literally has a name. Historians call it vietnam syndrome. Is he after. We finally wrapped up the pointless death fest. That was the vietnam war. The american public express a strong public preference for peace over military action. And i swear. It is no exaggeration to say that one of ronald reagan's main goals as president was to fix that. He was desperate to find. Some little countries asi could kick so could put an end all that. Damnable piece yeah. Our foreign policy was basically walking down the hallway blocking and go. Okay what are we supposed to all our money. Heath create an educational industrial complex. You hear a stupid. that sounds. That sounds sounds amazing. Pouring an amazing. Like mondale more jimmy. Carter so reagan's first effort to pick a fight and grenada centered around the point. Salines international airport. There was an airport on the island called pearls airport. But it's runway was too small to land commercial aircraft and it was hemmed in by mountains on one side of the pacific ocean on the other so it couldn't be extended so as far back as nineteen fifty four when the island was still a british colony. There were plans to build a larger airport elsewhere. That could have a full-size runway. The plans are on hold for decades. Wants bishop took over. He made point sailings a priority. If you asked him he'd have told you is because the only chance grenada had a decent economy was tourism. And the only chance they had a tourism was having airport that accommodate commercial jets. But if you ask the reagan administration it was so those damn commies could land the largest soviet aircraft air to disperse missiles and weapons. And and. okay. We're focused on the airport from fucking wings. Meanwhile answer the fbi is selling the nuclear football to russia for three months on. We got sons sued so so so bad. In march of nineteen eighty-three reagan started sounding the alarm about the threat of grenadas. New airport reagan's doomed. Crying got so vitriolic in fact that a democratic congressman named ron. Dellums went to grenada on a fact-finding mission only to report the quote based on my personal observations discussion and analysis of the new international airport under construction and grenada. It is my conclusion at this. Product is specifically and has always been for the purpose of economic development and it is not for military use. It is absurd patronizing and totally unwarranted for the united states government to charge that. This airport poses a military threat to the united states. National security republicans. Keep going after tropical places. They're going to have no place to retreat in the winter when the lecture he takes his shit in texas but if he didn't title that report the deal with airline that he missed a huge opportunity despite the obviously commercial nature of the airport. Reagan kept beating the drums of war about it but a new much shinier casas bell. I showed up in october of eighty three. His name was mohammed ali. Tom little respect terrible. This one started when grenadas. Deputy prime minister bernard cord seized power. Epo bishop under house arrest when news gets out about that. Bishops supporters erupted in protests and bishop manages to escape soon after he was captured and executed by a firing squad of soldiers along with his partner. Who was the minister of education and for their cabinet ministers and union leaders. At that point the military realized they were the ones with the guns so they deposed cord plays governor general paul schoon under house arrest and declared that they were in charge and they would kill the fuck out of anybody who said otherwise okay. So i'm assuming. Ronald reagan's about to make one of those little finger circles below the waist and then punched grenada phrase from they look at it at this point. Some of the nearby caribbean nations. Get a little nervous barbados. Jamaica and the organization of eastern caribbean states appeal to the us for assistance and even though that didn't amount to a legal justification for invasion was all the excuse. Reagan needed within twenty four hours of the request. The us military was mobilizing for the mission to invade grenada named with typical american pomposity operation. Urgent fury that's what. He called shitting operations right now. Shooting don't you do that. Don't you take that for me to my. We're gonna make like ronald reagan and consult a psychic on.

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"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on Open Loops: Conversations That Bend

Open Loops: Conversations That Bend

03:50 min | 1 year ago

"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on Open Loops: Conversations That Bend

"At it and he said yep. Just don't tell anybody well here. I am all these years. Because he didn't know that you know eighteen years later he would ask me to tell the story of that and everything connected to project pegasus But that's me in the picture i will. I will go to my my death in this life. Of course my soul will never never die. But i will go to my physical death in this life stating that because it is the truth and you know i was steeped in washingtonian. Somebody born in morristown and growing up in morris plains mars town of course was where george washington had wintered in the winters of seventeen seventy seven and eighty one and i shall not tell a lie. That's all i've done is not tell a lie. Yeah yeah one point. I've never lied. I asked you about why the government hasn't taken you out and you told me it's because you're speaking the absolute truth now. The couple of reasons when i first started when when i first started researching talking about and writing about my experiences. I was warned by a representative of the executive office of the president of president. George w bush in two thousand three. That if i didn't stop investigating talking writing about my time travel experiences that because the technologies involved remained sensitive compartmentalized national security secrets. Continue to do so. They couldn't quote guaranteed my survival. But that's when donald rumsfeld was still defense secretary and he was the defense attache on the time. Travel program project pegasus but then later. Cia operative named cia agent named told me that. Because i was speaking so consistently with the truth with the facts. Not embellishing Valorising my own participation not engaging and sort of the post vietnam syndrome of always trying to pick the. Us government is evil the cia as nothing but a corrupt you know oligarchy that we should get rid of that. They were happy. With how i was presenting the information and that the cia as a collective had essentially agreed to let me go forward. That's so interesting yet. Because you know what the conspiracy people out there are always saying that the cia is connected to some higher elite organization military industrial complex and speak of them or their operations there. They're gonna take you out in general what's been interesting about. Your account is that it doesn't really. You're not really demonizing any of the government. No didn't have any desire to because my my father and i had worked for the government. Now he was cia. I never was. I was just a kid on that project that they've been sent to mars that then worked on. Nsa project that. I don't like to talk about. So i was basically somebody essentially used as an operative by the intel community but i was never a decision maker or a cia agent or officer. There's a difference Operatives for example never paid operators are. that's great misconception. So after i brought all this information forward as a critic of the cia and the rest of the intel community and believe me. I had a beef with the intel community. Because i haven't been paid. I participated in three classified defense related research and development programs. In which i could have died and i almost did a couple times and they They didn't pay me. They didn't benefit me. Still working on getting paid by the government and i. I don't discuss that. But i'm moving forward on that effort..

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"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on C-SPAN Radio

C-SPAN Radio

08:12 min | 1 year ago

"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on C-SPAN Radio

"I thought that it was verified. What I believed about the lack of respect for human life that is felt by those in charge of the Soviet Union was following that that I made a statement about an evil empire. I wanted to ask you did call the Soviet Union. Evil empire. You've seen the Soviets shoot down. 07 and murder an American major. At other times. You suggested that you and Mr Gorbachev couldn't work together to achieve peace. Are those contradictory positions? No, not at all. Ah, I thought the beginning of this administration when questions were asked of me in press conferences and so forth about Soviet Union, I spoke bluntly. About what? I felt that I know. About them and the fact that they are expansions. They are aggressive. They they they have never withdrawn or retracted the Lenin statement that their mission is one world communist state. But at the same time we have to live in the world together, and I have to. I believe The only way there will be World War Three is of the Soviet Union wants a war. If they want peace. There will be peace because no one else wants a war. We certainly don't never known of a war in my lifetime. That way started and, uh So I think it is. It is necessary that we face each other. We know they don't like our system for us. We don't like their system. But way have to see if we can't get a word along in the world. And as I say, they're the only ones that can cause a war. Do you expect to be meeting with Mr Gorbachev when I'm hopeful, But that will come about We've had expressions that yes, they're willing Ball's in their court we've invited on his are turned to invite, and we're ready when they are, but it's it's necessary for them to know that we don't have any illusions about the same time. We're willing to exist in the world with him, and it's time that we sat down and found out. Where the parameters are. You noted the other day that the Soviets had spent $500 million to prop up a Marxist regime in Nicaragua. But the house is refused to commit even $14 million to help freedom fighters. Why have you not been able to convince the people that the cause of the Contras and Etienne the countries is the right? I think part of it is The sophisticated disinformation campaign apparatus that the Communist bloc has worldwide where they've been able to confuse great many of our people, even the terms we use, and I wish we hadn't I wish we'd started doing something I'm going to do from here on if we had referred not to the Sandinistas, but to the Communist not to the Contras. But as to the freedom fighters that these air these air Nicaraguans fighting. For freedom in their own country against a Communist takeover. When you say those terms pools of revealed a lot of our people out there, you know most people are not fully aware of the countries in Central America who they are what they are and so forth and hearing these terms, Sandinista government contracts and so forth quite sure which side we're on, or what what's at stake and after Vietnam? There is a holdover of the Vietnam Syndrome. There is a feeling was this United States sticking its nose in something none of our business Yet when you ask them in polls, questions about Do you want another Cuba from the mainland of the Americas here a communist, Then people say no, They don't want that. So I think part of it is the disinformation and we haven't been able to overcome it, but also our lack of outright explanation to them. We found after I made that one speech on Nicaragua on the air. There was a great turn around. But that was one speech. The disinformation kept on and on. And just like advertising constantly. It wore it away and it gradually. It went back again to the people, Uh, taking off. Maybe we're doing the wrong thing. In Nicaragua. What's the significance of Well, two questions. Okay, I'll make the good and Mr President, we could do what we did when we had to do interview do in 81. Is there still some more questions? If I could leave them with pat? And if he can get to you in the next couple of days to do those that would be very happy to front is being a reader of Reader's Digest. Well, uh, you're first. Publish Mint in 1981 Who's to push through a huge tax cut. Now you're fighting for revamping of the entire tax code. When did you first start thinking about what you call the disgraceful inequities of the tax system? Well, I've always believed in those very always well for a lot of years. I think it has gotten so out of line so complicated. I have thought I thought that most of our people there are many of our people's discussed with the tax system wasn't based on the size of the tax, but on the complication, the confusion of it, and in 81 we had we were faced with the emergency. We felt of the recession then and what had to be done so we couldn't think reform. But if you'll remember in talking about our first tax program, many Times we said this is only the first stage. This isn't the end. We want to come back, and what we wanted to come back with was a reform that could make it more fair, more simple. And so that's been in our minds from the very beginning. Okay, one last question, and then I will leave extra questions with Pat. It's been four years since you were shocked. How is that? Empt on your life changed your life. The way you look, I don't know whether it's changed my life or not. I always was a pretty good boy about minding the security people. When they told me not to go there and not to go there. It has changed their life physically and in a number of ways. Well, now that coupled with the whole terrorist thing, it wasn't just that with the whole terrorist thing. There are things that I can't do anymore, and I recognize it. For example, we can't go to church and I miss that. But I recognize it's not just me. I know. Uh I am a threat to other people. And I goto someplace like that with the various terrorist Practises, car bombs and everything else. I could be responsible for the lives of a lot of other people. So I'm reconciled to that. The thing of that shooting? No. You know, I went all the way to the hospital and walked into the emergency room on my own. Not knowing I'd been shot. I was shot in midair. When the secret Service behind me..

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"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on WZFG The Flag 1100AM

WZFG The Flag 1100AM

02:27 min | 2 years ago

"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on WZFG The Flag 1100AM

"Stress disorder but what veterans had been complaining about their new Vietnam War Vietnam syndrome was a much more neurologic disorders that are present conception of posttraumatic stress disorder is and I think there's quite a bit of opportunity for compounding I suspect that our use of Cork when imperfectly in large quantities during the Vietnam War read more in our use of afterburners when I went during World War two again always chemically related drugs you are drug support was associated with a not insignificant amount of psychiatric and neurologic Dr Nevin I want to interject again because you said something that's so critical to this discussion all chemically related to hydroxy Clark went now if we look at the molecular farm structure of height drove Quinlan hydro I'm sorry hydro quinone hydroquinone which is an anti bacterial anti tumor anti mitotic hypertensive and hypertensive UP is hydroquinone use in any way for any of these illnesses if the any of the centrist sicknesses illnesses whatever so all of the drugs that were referred quicktrim Clark when permits when network ones I do not support when they're all quinoline drugs especially think of benzene molecule and substitute a nitrogen for one specific carbon and you have the quinoline core and it's this core with the various side chains that way I can give you said the chorus C. six H. six oh two is that what you're saying so if if if if the substituted been it's a substituted benzene but the ring the benzene ring is white C. H. Y. C. Y. H. what what I'm just curious on a benzene ring well you have to imagine hexagons formed by with the chorus form by Carmen and the heat beat the electron clouds of of this molecules are provided with some very intriguing chemical properties but with the doctor never could you stay with us for another few minutes after the break and you my pleasure this is the most important show I've done on this entire pandemic and I think we have to go back to the mother of all molecules which is quite nine C. twenty H. twenty four and two oh two and the reason I'm throwing out the chemical formula is because I'm getting a lot of intelligent people out there who are not convinced that this drug is dangerous I'll be right back with doctor Navin join those.

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"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on WBSM 1420

WBSM 1420

14:17 min | 2 years ago

"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on WBSM 1420

"The savage nation again as the world teeters on economic collapse owing to the covert nineteen virus pandemic people are grasping at straws many believe that an old anti malaria drug in a class of drugs related to it is the magic bullet I say not so fast and joining us right now is an expert who spent a good portion of his life studying Clore Quinn hydroxy chloride Quint mefloquine quinine and related Quinlan drugs and he says not so fast his name is Dr Remington Nevin Dr Nevin thank you so much for being with us on the savage nation today I don't never greet me with now I've been trying to put out some questions about this drug for weeks I've been roundly attacked in a way I've never seen in all my years in the media why is this such a religious fervor in the media in particular to grasp at this drug well it it it really is a remarkable state of affairs isn't a doctor savage hydroxy core Quinn and the Cork win to a lesser extent have almost become a political litmus test if you would believe that in the curative powers of these drugs is almost a tenth of one's a loyalty right and if I say watch out not so fast they're calling me every name under the sun people formally loved my show called me a global is that there I've never seen such brainwash people in my life welcome I understand the position of those who are wanting so much for this drug to be the solution to our problems this this pandemic is causing potentially reprobate damage to our economy the sooner we can find something to let our people go back to work and to restart the economy the better every every his is what doctor you form the quickness and foundation you're actually focused hard on on Cllr Quinn hydroxy Clark when you're not a Johnny come lately to this field and and your name D. N. PH T. PH I mean you've got every training known to mankind you're a Johns Hopkins trained psychiatric epidemiologist your drug safety expert your former U. S. army public health physician retired as a major why did you create the corners and foundation that's right and and I should emphasize I've been working in this field for thirteen years now and myself and some are retired separated snow three officers I founded this route to follow up on some of the work and research that I started during my military career there was a time when the U. S. military widely used a related drug called mefloquine for Larry and it was widely thought to be the solution to many of our problems with the malaria another life threatening illness and stand for years the U. S. military insisted that the strong metal corner Larian had very few problems that it was essentially as safe as possible R. and if we didn't use it we would be sentencing our troops to certain death on the battlefield it was it was a large part I think my work in the work of a small handful of others that led the U. S. military to change course to recognize the dangers of this drug and and now the drug is almost never used it it's essentially a group of last resort and the food and drug administration has placed a box warning on the drug in recognition of its officially Carmen you're reporting that the FDA put on a black box warning for men for Quinn and the U. S. army special forces bans its use among early combat troops no doubt because of the neurologic and psychiatric adverse effects correct yes that's that's correct that means affects were once thought to be very rare but now they're recognized as being in fact very common insomnia nightmares for example if like well over ten percent of folks a given network another are some slight differences between network women court women hydroxy clerk all quinoline drugs but they do share common toxicities the the points guy can I interject for a minute because I studied natural products chemistry I worked in a laboratory in my early years in graduate school with the former chairman of a major pharmaceutical firm and I learned some about something about can shown at the time because I was collecting medicinal plants all over the South Pacific how are these a synthetic analogues of can shown are they that's right so all the queens drugs are synthetic variants of queens and naturally derived the product from the bark of the tree you mentions the first customer in South America several hundred years ago and the history of these synthetic variants can actually teach us a lot about the the situation we find ourselves it was during the months leading up to World War two but we as a nation found ourselves in a very similar predicament to where we find ourselves today the possibility of war in the Pacific was very real and we recognize that we didn't have access to supply the queens the only occurring anti malarial drugs and so we need a very difficult decision as a nation to authorize use of a risky drug old quick report address knowing full well that it had some very unpleasant adverse effects but we had no choice is an issue we felt because if we didn't use this for a quick one for Adam brown tens of thousands or more she died from malaria in the war in the South Pacific so how does that relate now to the use of hydroxy caloric when to treat a covert nineteen I know from the studies I have read there's no known antiviral activity of hydroxy Clark when do you concur with that so this is what makes the president's decision so difficult and and this is why I can appreciate why so many people want hydroxy Clark and working and want it used to be a more widely adopted because we have been here as a nation before we've been in a situation where we've been left with with few good alternatives we we either make a choice to use a drug this class the quinoline drug class with potentially very serious adverse effects that may hopefully protect us from up without legal disease for which is not to use it I am suffering the consequences what we learned from our use of this class of drugs in World War two you can have lasting consequences if we do choose to use any of the quinoline drugs against covert nineteen we must be prepared for the neurologic and psychiatric consequences in okay so you're you're doing you're saying what I've been saying let's look at the long term affects some people don't want to hear that docked in heaven they want the magic bullet they want to believe it works they don't care about the long term effects and then they say well aspirin can kill you to a sentiment if and can can you also all drugs have side effects why should we worry that's what I'm hearing it was a very different scenarios for the use of this class of drugs hydroxy court we are as a point so if the hydroxy core content for Clinton have both received an emergency use authorization by the FDA for use in hospitalized he's so the drug use currently licensed by FDA for emergency uses what's known as the endemic countermeasures under the press act and use of these two drugs when the supplies are drawn from the strategic national stockpile under federal law the declarations that have been made provides for strong legal immunity against doctors and others who use these drugs in hospitalized patients in sort of a last ditch effort to call I I need to inject it I want to emphasize with the doctor just said in hospitalized patients in last ditch efforts but so many millions of people because they're listening to the wrong people who have no background in pharmacology or medicine or science or epidemiology are starting to ask their doctors to give them these drugs to take on a prophylactic basis you and I both know that's a disaster correct so very different scenarios for use of the stroke the first is what's already been authorized the use of this drug in seriously ill hospitalized patients which now does have formal FDA authorization and then to use that you're describing the prophylactic use of this class of drugs or alternatively the use of this drug for treatment of mild illness in in outpatient settings or folks that might get sick at home okay use of the drug has not been authorized by FDA for that purpose and position that prescribed the drug for that purpose do you still face the risk of legal liability should the you mean if if they use it without serious of a illness chills are they if they people gonna start to get this drug and use it without having the serious late stages of the illness are they they could have some legal right of recourse against the doctor who gave it to them the the emergency use authorization there are the administration signed off on those not extend legal protections for use of this drug outside the hospitalized said it so well I hope that the class action lawyers are listening to this show because I can hear their lips salivating in the blood coming out of their nostrils they're going to sue like crazy I want to go back for a moment explain to the audience if you will it's very important I know Dr Nevin why you created the cronyism foundation obviously you feel so strongly about this class of drugs that you created a whole foundation warning people what why through this this particular problem the adverse effects of quinoline drugs has gone unrecognized for decades there's every reason to think that our veterans coming home from World War two who had used at a press conference in large quantities suffered the adverse effects of the stroke things like insomnia nightmares anxiety and neurological so we'll wait so it could be that a lot of the cases reported as PTSD could have been the side effects from anti malaria drugs well almost certainly the doctor said he keep in mind that there was no diagnosis of PTSD until nineteen eighty issue or more of their heads I have to drop the quinoline drugs in return home with symptoms that nobody understood nobody could understand why they were suffering from nightmares and insomnia and anxiety and of course in many cases this was due to nothing more than the effects of trauma they suffer but there were there were others I think that we're suffering from the chronic effects of this class of drugs we saw that I think I think career with use of a permit Quinn and chloroquine and also in Vietnam and it was actually a group of Vietnam veterans as I'm sure many of your listeners will know who were so concerned about the psychiatric and neurologic symptoms that they suffered in the Vietnam War that led them to describe this disorder called Vietnam syndrome and eventually the psychiatric community listened and the only invented or discovered depending on your perspective the diagnosis of posttraumatic stress disorder but more veterans had been complaining about their new Vietnam War Vietnam syndrome was a much more neurologic disorders that are present conception of posttraumatic stress disorder news and I think there's quite a bit of opportunity for compounding I suspect that our use of Cork when increments in large quantities during the Vietnam War read more in our use of afterburners quicken during World War two again all we typically related drugs you are drug support was associated with a not insignificant amount of psychiatric and neurologic Dr Nevin I want to interject again because you said something that's so critical to this discussion all chemically related to hydroxy caloric went now if we look at the molecular structure of height Drau Quinlan hydro I'm sorry hydro quinone hydroquinone which is an anti bacterial anti tumor anti my tonic hypertensive anti pretence of is hydroquinone use in any way for any of these illnesses if the any of the centrist sicknesses illnesses whatever all of the drugs that were referred to our clinic room Corcoran permits when network ones I don't support when they're all who mean drugs especially think of benzene molecule and substitute a nitrogen for one specific Carmen and you have a clean record and it's this core with the various side chains that you said that in the chorus C. six H. six oh two is that what you're saying so if it's if it's a substituted benefits and this is substituted benzene but the ring the benzene ring is white C. H. what see what H. one oh one I'm just curious on a benzene ring well you have to imagine who texted office formed by with the chorus formed by Carmen Adams and the heat beat the electron clouds of of this molecules are provided with some very intriguing chemical properties but with the doctor never could you stay with us for another few minutes after the break and you my pleasure this is the most important show I've done on this entire pandemic and I think we have to go back to the mother of all molecules which is quite nine C. twenty H. twenty four and two oh two and the reason I'm throwing out the chemical formula is because I'm getting a lot of intelligent people out there who are not convinced that this drug is dangerous I'll be right back with doctor Navin join those savage nation call now eight five five four hundred savage eight five five four hundred seven to eight to savage the savage nation is sponsored by Swiss America.

"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on Radio Free Nashville

Radio Free Nashville

13:44 min | 3 years ago

"vietnam syndrome" Discussed on Radio Free Nashville

"Business partner Richard Davis Heracles fund was established to pursue investments in Eastern Europe past was the sole investor is the molar report back tomorrow in here with you by the way we did a whole and over on a you tube and our may was Facebook I'm not it's you too okay thank you Nick AOC says pressing down this frustration with policy on impeachment is quite real this is Alexander Custer Cortez are you frustrated if so why we had nineteen hundred people vote eighty four percent of you said yes sixteen percent said no some selected comments the book all blue said I think big donors like the cook brothers we're down in his centrist Democrats are telling policy to hold back that's why we need to get really large money out of politics devil travels says policy seems not to have let fellow Democrats know her supposed plan no reason to trust your judgment simple man's as regular Democrats don't controller party or below sea just like regular Republicans can't control trump and Melanie sure route says Tom I'm sure Nancy knows info we doubt but until we do start impeachment process to request more information interesting how people are shall we say concerned about all this any help back to your phone calls and all the topics we've been talking about here Jake in weapon a New Jersey you want to disagree with me about a year and all Terry service or or accident public service that could be military could be not right Hey John yeah sorry I ran my phone down that was like a listening that's already up so I hope you're doing well yeah I want you disagree with you about that to me it seems if I understand your argument correctly you're saying that if we have that I think you said two years now I said one year a number of people said that in other countries is two years and we should go to your I don't know but you know one year sounds good one year one year of mandatory mandatory public service but you're saying that that word cut down on the United States and if you go to war I think so I think it will at the very least what I would do since military service is an inevitable option it's not inevitable but it's inevitable option it would cause junior high school and high school students middle school and and and and high school students to start is seriously paying attention to world politics day international geopolitics to the political scene here in the United States Jerry national geography all the things that were so dumb about now that have you know that that allow people like Donald Trump and and George W. bush to to basically lives in the wars well what are we that sounds like so this would never have we involve essentially funder funneling more people towards the military and I don't think you deny that because you said that it would be your call now then the military's need for people is not a function of the supply the military's need for people is a function of the demand that is whether or not we're in a war and serve more people weren't we're currently active and conscious we would be less likely to be in wars in my humble opinion it's a function of applied to a certain extent supporters certain extent because if people do not want to fight wars and they can't be fought necessarily does that what happens is what people want to fight wars the military starts offering ten thousand dollars signing bonuses which they've been doing since Iraq right about his got two thousand dollars at one point ten thousand dollars signing bonuses for what like just paying people walk to get into the military that's correct we've been doing that since the Iraq war okay I mean yeah but like so what do you call it if there is like I don't think this area was very lightly but if there is a well actually I'll use a more realistic example also after Vietnam there is something called the Vietnam syndrome where nobody wanted to go to war even the people in control of the military apparatus in the government they were you know kind of scared that they were going to lose another one so well that they just a horrible cost of wars and Jake I mean and and and that generation is dying off which is why I'm concerned that the next war is inevitable I'm not sure the reason why it's kind of hard for the United States go you are going to all out war these days there because we had not nearly the same situation but a similar situation where the population did not like Iraq war at all and so people are kind of tired of war were still around eight state I mean yeah we are but that's not a popular war I think you're you're with me on that yeah and so what's one thing that makes it hard for you I need to go to another one the other the other the other point that I make choking is is back to my point of you know if young people started paying attention to international geopolitics and and the relations between countries and that kind of thing because there was the possibility of military service the other thing is change from Vietnam is that during the Vietnam era and basically all wars prior to that Moses is the most of your casualties were military casualties in other words most of the people who died in wars with people fighting the worse today most of the people die in wars are civilians because of technology because we've got drawings we got smart missiles we've got guided missiles we got all this kind of stuff and and which in my opinion makes it even more important add to have to make sure that our young people as they're coming out this is the future these in the next generation these the people are going to be our next legislators everything else that they are well informed about the causes of war that they're well informed about that you know America's relation of the rest of the world but you know what conflict might be happening and things like that because it's so easy to get into a war with a minimal amount of cost in terms of human lives I mean we've only we only lost five thousand six thousand soldiers in in this illegal war the Dick Cheney got us into an end in Iraq compare that to fifty six thousand people in Vietnam and and this lasted three chiding two or three times longer than Vietnam but there have been you know hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians who have died and over five million have been displaced whose lives have been completely utterly shattered and destroyed so round yell at anything in my mind it's going to make war more real for young people not that they're going to have to fight in a necessarily but just that they need to be thinking about it is a good thing that's part of my argument well I agree with you to the extent that I think that young people need to pay more attention to geo politics in that sense but I mean you said they're not actually fighting a war I think when you involve people and mandatory public service program like that and eventually it's going to end up with people in that program who do you go to fight wars and what might happen then here's the mechanism or argument that they're headed your politics more is are sending the box to a place like Iraq which you said accurately were still in Q. aqiel people and get ill yeah no Hey I you know yes and you know thanks logic for the call but I they were started talk round circle Sir David in Tulsa Oklahoma David you had some yeah I wonder hearing and Richard walk together yeah I wonder why the in on the on army I'm just double out or may accurate for about the last twenty years your I've been a pearl white employees rob Ashe in science you couldn't it couldn't yes this dynamic characters everything I'm a turnarounds contract work pretty much sure six must bear and now everything everybody has one even pay me anything either they're often the largest bag of what what I used to get back in the nineties yeah baby for Reagan came into office the average family was supported by one brother and now the average family requires more than two yes and this hello I'm taking care of my ninety three year old mother and your does once again all politics are local she had a trust was well when they're out but because of Paulson and Greenspan keeping everything all trust here speculate on stocks and bonds so you know they were recommend money as long as they could do CD use but once there is there's been to Sarah grey it's nothing so she didn't have enough money to get home health care okay what four thousand dollars a month and I'm unemployed again soul I'm sex long taking care of her and I can't leave Tulsa to find a job offer positions but I can't leave right and it's just some general you know I'm stuck that's a tough that's a tough one so David go ahead yes there is this whole thing of the contract employees and something that I haven't heard anybody really address the what they're going to do because your washer contract if you got insurance you get the answers to the contract company will once you're not boy well so much for your insurance thank god I've got the VA that's the only reason why I'm a lot why not go universal healthcare yeah we had a lot but bought a twenty minute thirty minute conversation about this last Thursday whether I'm in in fact check a couple of times a came up with our labor panel in Chicago and this this this thing that you know frankly before Reaganomics was illegal you know to call an employee a contractor it has now become kind of the norm in most businesses and I think it's an abomination David thank you for all of you go at officers yeah there's like three or four people that actually get a paycheck from the company everybody else's contractor yeah yeah and it's it's wrong it's obscene I mean I get with part time employees but but I mean genuinely part time employees but but what what you're talking about and what we're talking about here is a completely different thing David thank you for the call I hope I hope things get better for you I really do for dell in Mansfield Ohio favorite out what's on your mind Hey Tom I don't want to get too deep into the conversation bar mandatory service I I I I will go home I wore a lot almost flat okay got it I've been safe for about three years now the military's not rarity right but I think service there's nothing wrong with that okay okay I fear for dell thank you very much thank you for sharing your story with us and and your comments on I'm with the I. its it and that's why I'd like to offer the option curtain really Colorado acre you want to come back around a prescription drug prices absolutely your answer right they don't own the well they don't invest their own money to battle these drugs since about seventy three percent comes from the US taxpayer yep then they take those in total rubbish every single batch absolute insanity yeah and if we simply did away with patents on on pharmaceuticals and made them like you know herbs I mean you know you can you can you give her vitamins you can buy vitamin C. or you can buy you know what I saw palmetto or ginkgo biloba are you know pictures loosely you know from in thirty different companies right now all competing on price and quality but but it's not even just pharmaceuticals which is agree just enough it's also everything else we've done in our society I'll give you a few examples I could literally go on for days of examples but Lasix surgery was developed back in the sixties right but it was very very expensive and in a work all that well about sixty percent successful I don't wanna know what happened to the people that it didn't work there was about ten thousand dollars not today you can get it for around five six hundred and I right and ninety nine point nine percent successful writing as a not a good thing it's amazing but the corporations didn't stand that technology to get that technology to make it so ubiquitous that we can all do it the space station did if it wasn't for NASA trying to find a new way to doctor space shuttle to the space station with the laser algorithms to do that we wouldn't have that lay sick and I have no idea exactly because before then to back a space probe to another thing honestly it was very highly technical process basically called bump and grind well we didn't really want to do that with a brand new space station so they had to re redo the algorithms of the lasers to make sure it fits with less energy than a bird swinging on a branch allergy and said wow we can do this with least six now I'll give you one more from astrophysics you know an MRI machine.

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