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We are determined to knock out Sadam Hussein's nuclear bomb. Potential Afghanistan is war that we had to fight and we have to win. This is veterans chronicles for the next hour. Join our honored roster of heroic soldiers, sailors and ABA there's recalling and retelling their personal stories from World War Two dental. The end of the second World War to the present day. Iraq fifty million people are now living in freedom. Now, we American veterans center and radio America present veterans chronicles. Our guest this week on veterans chronicles is Bill Lord. He is a US army veteran of the Vietnam war. He's also the author of Vietnam fifty years later, and he's known in Washington as the general manager at two television stations here in the nation's capital during his distinguished career and Bill. Thanks very much for being with us. Happy to be here. Let's start with the beginning of your story. Where were you born and raised? I was born in Seattle Washington. Still a diehard Seahawks fan university of Washington fan, and I grew up there and wanna move back. Even now really so Washington to Washington. Yes. The Geneva history of military service in your family. Not really my dad was older and was in a World War Two World War One reserve unit the only other person and the person I'm named after was an uncle who is a navigator in World War. Two was shot down and killed over. Frank. On a bombing rate. So I guess that's that's my greatest connection to the military is being named after our work to veteran. So when did you join the service, this was nineteen sixty six I was actually part of the draft. But it was tipped of nineteen sixty six I went out and you got to my next question drafted or enlisted so drafted by the army. And then what then I went to basic training at fort Lewis. I ended up the offered me a chance to go to OCS. And when I realized that that would be an extra year in the army, I declined but put me out of the cycle. So I ended up in a different unit for advanced infantry training. And after that of all things, they sent me to Berlin Germany that was kind of like winning the lottery before the lottery because it was like, okay, you're you're not going to go to be at Phnom. You're the one guy that went through all this. And it's going to go to Berlin. I ended up on an honor guard unit, and it was the easiest duty. Anyone ever had in the army? We check the ID's of the ladies who came in and worked in the American compound. There we rode out to the airport with the State Department to load the diplomatic pouches on the airplanes, and the other thing that was really extrordinary. We got to be guards at Spandau prison. Now Spandau prison at the time only had one prisoner Rudolf Hess who was the last living Nazi war criminal in captivity. And that was quite an unusual situation because he was old and crazy and still very much Nazi. So it was it was interesting. Did you have any personal action with him? No. We saw what we thought was him in courtyard. We couldn't even identify him. He was not allowed to have any contact with the outside world. So he would try to engage the guards in conversation. And if they talked to him he. Would then turn them in for violating the rules. So we were all a little a little leery of Mr. Hess. So you wanna stay away from his possible understandable. So well, the fun ended in Berlin. At some point it did and I have to admit, and this is funny to look back on. I actually started to feel guilty about living in Berlin spending, my evenings at a beautiful nightclub doing all this easy duty. When the obviously the major event of my generation was going on like half a world away. So I ended up volunteering to go to Vietnam. Really guess how long did you stay in Berlin before this probably six months or so I had about a year left and the army was extremely accommodating. I was pretty much on the next plane out. And that was how I got to be enough and take you directly. They're back. No, they gave me a actually very long like. Thirty five or forty day leave before I went it was I had a nice long vacation and went to Mexico and got back into being a civilian and then had to go. So when did you arrive in Vietnam September of one thousand nine hundred sixty seven and where you immediately attached, then to the ninth infantry. Yes, they you go through a process, and they. Somehow give you orders to where you're gonna go. And I think within a week I was sent off to the ninth infantry division. Did they assign either radio duties right away or? No, no. It was a grunt. I was by Felman and over time they gave me a radio, and I was the squad radio guy. And then I ended up being the company commanders radio. What was the first mission? You went on. What was it like first mission? Well, first of all, it was terrifying. Because I didn't know what to expect and the people who had been there for a while told us a lot of stories about some huge battles that they had been in. And how many people have been killed and there were several of us that were replacement soldiers. I mean in a sense we were replacing the guys who had been killed. So it was a very sobering. Thing. You were worried about everything the funny thing that happened is as soon as we got out we were on what they call Tango boats. These were little assault craft that the ramp went down and you walked out into the mud and the water of the delta and within about five minutes. I realized. That my wallet was soaking wet, and you would never be able to take a wallet with you again, two minutes after that my cigarettes were wet because they were in my shirt pocket. So you learned some of the hard things the whole time being just completely distracted. Because you were sure somebody was behind the next Bush was going to kill you. But it was a three day what they call search and destroy mission. We did not have any contact with the enemy on that. I three day mission. So in that sense. I got used to the physical surroundings without actually been shot. What was your initial impression of just the place of getting off the plane? My Mitch my initial reaction was it is so hot here. I don't know if I can make it down the ramp to the to the tarmac how much less survive year. It would just it was incredibly uncomfortable. It was hot steamy. There were bugs that were snakes were, you know, just a million different things. And by the way, there were people out there trying to kill you. So it, you know, my reaction was this is going to be a difficult year, and at the weather very much. I don't varied from hot and sunny too hot in monsoon, but not not much different than too much change of seasons. How would you describe the guys in your unit? Well, it's an interesting group the nineteenth century division was one of the mysterious things that the army did they got one hundred and fifty draftees, and they sent him to basic training together at Fort Riley. They went to infantry training together they were on a ship and sent to Vietnam as an entire infantry division of. I don't know how many people that is ten thousand or something never been done before. But you gotta think about this. Vietnam was a place where people went in for a year, and then came back out in about six months into this. Somebody realized that we have to send these people home on the same day. So we have to send you know, an entire infantry division back to Kansas. And then they started shipping people around bringing in replacements and doing everything they could. So they didn't have to destroy an entire army unit. So it was a little difficult, but to get into that group these were people who had known each other for year and a half. They they done everything together that were a very tight group. And we were the newcomers. The we were referred to by a term called f n g and I'll let you guess what the F is a new guys pushed the other part of it. But it took a while to gain their trust and to gain their friendship because you know, these are people who had been through some terrifying battles we represented their dead friends a way so just getting into that group. Was it wasn't difficult. They didn't really shut us out. But they were distracted. They. They were not looking for new friends. This look that way. That's why the group of us that came in as the new people we bonded with one another rather than the people who've been there before now most of the wars at least of the twentieth century leading up to that you kind of have these pitched battles big lines. That wasn't the way it wasn't Vietnam. We it wasn't. And there's a an interesting point in that in the delta, it was wide open area where you were in race patties with little strips of tree lines and small strips of jungle the unit had only been there for six months when I got there, but they had gotten into a couple of pitched battles. They had gotten into these huge ambushes where they got out into the rice patties all bunched up, and they got ambushed, and literally doesn't people were killed in these and Bush's the other side of that coin though is the Viet Cong had established possess. Nations, and they tried to hold those positions. And ultimately, you can't do that. If you've got American firepower coming in. So the Americans lost a whole bunch of people. But in the end, the Vietnam locked lost a whole bunch of people to I mean, literally in the hundreds there's a very famous battle on June nineteenth nineteen sixty seven that. I was not a part of that had preceded my arrival, but both sides lost so many people that both sides said we gotta do this differently. The Americans basically opened up to the point where they we put huge lead units out there point people that were way out in front of the main pack so that we couldn't get ambushed via con figured out that having a large group of soldiers attacking another large group of soldiers didn't work for them either. So most of my war and most of the war in the delta after this period was a matter of short, skirmishes, they would ambush. And then. And then Ron and they would just dissolve back into the community. It was it was a bad running joke. But if you survive the first ten or fifteen seconds of an ambush, you're gonna live. But if you're one of the unlucky ones that that didn't survive, then you weren't. But it was never we didn't have like twenty our battles. We had like ten minute ballots, and then we'd call in artillery and air strikes. And by the time all of that happened the Vietnam would generally just be gone drifta. What all we're gonna get into this much more balanced ticket quick break. We'll be right back after the break and hear much more about your time in service to our country in Vietnam. We'll be right back on veterans chronicles. Thank you veterans for your service to our country. Has been raging in the Solomon areas. Last Sunday, the radio America network. You're listening to veterans chronicles presented by the American veterans center and the radio America network. We are back on Teran's chronicles. I'm Greg Columbus honored to be joined in studio today by Bill Lord US army veteran of the Vietnam war. He's also the author of Vietnam fifty years later and Bill you mentioned that fortunately on that that I assign -ment you did not have any contact with the enemy. What was it? Like the first time that you did the the entire time. We were there. We described it as hours and hours and hours of boredom I mean, discomfort and boredom. Interrupted occasionally by just shocking moments of terror, and there's just nothing that you can describe about all of a sudden a hearing gunfire coming from a place. You can't see and hearing bullets and knowing that they were meant for you. So in no matter how you describe it you clutch up, and you get down, and you, you know, we we would borough, and we will do everything we could define cover and fight back. But honestly, it's scary. I mean, I I don't have a good formula for how you do that. Because so much of it was just luck of the draw. You were either in the range of fire or you aren't and the first couple of times it happened. I was less than the range of fire that I was later, but at the same time it plays the same for everybody and for how it works on your emotions. And it's it's frightening stuff. Did your. Training or instincts immediately. Kick entered at some of the guys who had been there longer kind of. Yeah. I know I think I think it it does not require any training. Get hit. We we'll figure it out as best. We could what to do. There were not a lot of occasions where you had to decide what to do or think what to do. It was more matter of react and try to call in support rather than let's go over here and see if we can sneak back around him. There wasn't a lot of that kind of stuff and they were short engagements the terrain didn't really allow for cover. It just wasn't that kind of thing that I guess we see in movies a lot where it's like. Okay. You two guys go over there and get around back in the building. And then, you know, flank. It just didn't work that way you mentioned calling in support. And I know you've written and have studied helicopter pilots and the work. They've done both the dust off pilots and evacuating as as as well, as I know you infantry unit were often on helicopters while going to assignment. So let's start by explaining your appreciation for the role that they played their well, the helicopter pilots took extraordinary casualties. The proportion of casualties of helicopter pilots to the rest of people the people in Vietnam was astronaut, Michael they would do anything they appeared to us to be fearless because they would fly into just about anything to get a wounded person out or to take us into various different battles in the. I guess I shouldn't joke about this. But we would joke. What do you do when you're coming into a landing zone, and they're shooting at you. And the answer is you get out of the helicopter, you jumped from no matter it is because they're shooting at the helicopter. They're not shooting at the. Older. But no, those pilots were amazing. And to this day there amazing in television work, most of the helicopter pilots that fly for television stations throughout my career where former Vietnam pilots, and I used to love to go flying with them because they were great guys, and they performed the service over there. That was second to none in my view because they had the choice of not going in. As a matter of fact, the jet pilots often would say, well, we're taking groundfire we don't really wanna hang out in here. Well, the helicopter pilots would take groundfire and fly right into it. And you've written that forget the enemy firing on them. It's a pretty complicated machine to get to funk in the first. Yeah. You're you're trying to think while you're doing these things I don't know if you've ever tried to concentrate while you're out of breath and running and diving and doing all this other stuff, but it's hard. They kept their wits about them. Very well to often did you ride with them going to assignments before I left somebody had somebody counts these things that we had done more than fifty helicopter assaults now that sounds like a lot. But you've got to remember sometimes you could do two or three minute day. Most of them were pretty routine you would fly into them. And nobody was there shooting at you. But other times you would be what they call a hot landing zone. And there would be people shooting at you. And you would jump from way too high to get out of the helicopter, and I would say at least the height of jumping off the roof of the house that I grew up because first of all a lot of times, you're jumping into mud or water and a rice, Patty or something like that. Which breaks the fall? Little bit. You don't wanna break your legs? But at the same time, you want to be out of that helicopter on the worst way. So you're sitting there kind of making that decision for carrying all this gear. So was there a specific way if you had to jump that they wanted you to land. Well, I don't think that anybody told me how to do it. But I think if you watch when when people landed parachutes that they land, and then they rolled a one side or the other. I think that's kind of what we did without thinking about it. And the way it was significant because the particularly when I carried the radio, it's it's it makes you top heavy and it's awkward, but again, whatever that radio is going to do to you is not as bad as what could happen. If you stay in the helicopter. So you get out bell. Let's take one more break. We'll be right back here. Chronicles? World war. Two news agency, set the Dana broadcast at the allied invasion had begun to really armed invasion of the Republic of the armed forces from northern Indiana constituted, a breach of the peace. And in fact, for them tigon on area. Guys over back that have been eliminated right flashes. Going off all over this guy special. Thanks to veterans everywhere from the radio America network. Welcome back to veterans chronicles on the radio America network. I'm Dr Columbus honored to be joined in studio today by Bill Lord. A US army veteran of Vietnam and the author of Vietnam fifty years later, he was also for many years, the general manager of two different television stations here in the nation's capital WJLA w USA and we'll talk about that a little bit. We were just talking about helicopters in the last segment, and how critical they were in the bravery of the pilots, you are involved in at least one crash that I'm aware of we were involved to the extent that the hillock opther that we were about to load onto came in. And it caught the tail rotor on a little piece of barbed wire fencing and it flipped over. And honestly, we were ten feet from when it happened. I mean literally landed right in front of us in crashed. It went over to the other side immediately caught fire the door gun on the top got out. The co pilot was also now. On the top got out. And as I've told the story the the co-pilot got out with a fire extinguisher, which we thought. Wow, he's he's really got. You know, he's really thinking ahead because he's going to put out the fire while the fire was enormous by the time he hit the ground, but he had just enough time to squirt the fire extinguisher, which is carbon dioxide onto the plexiglas window in front of the pilot in it froze it and contracted it to the point where it popped out and the pilot was able to escape so the door gun around the other side never had a chance. I mean, he was buried in in flames. But the interesting thing about that story of and it was a it was a tragic thing. And it was just the pilot was inconsolable because he, you know, his mind this pilot air, but his squadron commander arrived like literally fifteen or twenty minutes later, and you would think that they would console the guy. But instead he just kind of grabbed him by the collar said get up off the ground and get into this helicopter and fly. So it's the equivalent of getting back on the bike. They throw him right back into another helicopter and told him to go. And apparently, that's that's how you keep guys. I guess competent doing it was cruel. But at the same time, it seemed like a sensible thing to do say. And a way to save lives. Yeah. When did you leave it in nineteen sixty eight I left in June of sixty eight I literally it was I I got home the day, Bobby Kennedy died we had heard that he'd been shot before we got on the plane, and he died somewhere on that on our flights back. I'd gotten out three months early to go back to school. There was some little known army program that would let you out three months early. If you were accepted into a school, and and or if you had a job in a defense industry, and it turned out that I had been a male boy at at Boeing a college job before I left, and because I carried the mail I had to have a top secret clearance and some guy at Boeing wrote a great letter saying that I would be accepted back as an employee with my top secret clearance, blah, blah, blah, the sounded very good. Never use the word male. Boy. But that and the local community college set a letter saying I was in. They let me out and I feel bad little bit about leaving. But, you know, by then I was completely burned out by then you also know what's going on. You realize that this isn't the domino theory is not working. This isn't the north fighting the south. We were. At least our unit was fighting an indigenous enemy that was in the middle of a revolution. And we weren't even sure that they were the bad guys at that point because well, they were the bad guys to us because they were the ones shooting at us. But honestly, it was nothing like what we expected and also by then the country had changed. They started out not liking the war. And then they started to shift that to not like in the politicians that set us to war. And then they started disliking us for fighting the war. So just in the nineteen sixty seven to sixty eight range, we became hated figures. We didn't have it wasn't like we were fighting for our country because our country had pretty much abandoned us. You know, we had our friends there in Vietnam. We got our families at home, but we didn't have a sport system. May we described ourselves essentially as orphans we were over there. Risking our lives only to. To aggravate the people who we were allegedly fighting for. And there were a lot of. I'm sure you've heard the stories about people going back and being treated poorly at airports and things like that some of those stories may be exaggerated. But the fact is that we were not popular when we got back. Did you experience anything like that? I experienced a little bit but nothing nothing overly hostile now. I mean, nobody's spit at me. Nobody nobody yelled at me at the airport or anything. But there was a distance, you know, because I maybe mmediately went back on campus. And I was not the first person to say, hey, I'm just back from the Mikan don't basically did everything I could blend back into college. And if people found out that I'd been there that was fine. But it wasn't something. I advertised what was the impact on you? And and others that you knew of that. Obviously, you go through a tremendously traumatic experience over there. And you believe you're fighting. Everyone back home. And then you come back to that reaction. What's what's the impact? Well, several different impacts. But the one that I dwell on now is when I got back. I just said that's over. I'm always going to look forward. I'm I'm compartmentalizing this I literally didn't talk about. But I also didn't stay in touch with any of the people had been there with. So, you know, these are people like you said that we we fought with we, you know, we had good times, we rank we we did everything together we were tight, but you get home you shove that aside you say, I'm only going to look forward, and you essentially because you had a bad experience. You're leaving behind a lot of the good people that you knew you now I'd like to talk to those guys have any idea where they are even but that that was one of the costs of doing now, I wouldn't have done it any differently. If I could go back and do it over because literally I I really feel I would like one of the lucky ones because. I was able to shove it back. I didn't have any identifiable post traumatic stress. I got back on into campuses. I had good schools and good jobs and good family everything. Everything clicked for me. But it didn't click for everybody a lot of people got back. And you know, the waited for somebody to say, thank you. And that never happened. They were slow about getting back into a daily routine. They didn't get jobs they became resentful. Lot of them got drank too, much or smoke too, much dope, or whatever. So there was an entire generation of people who literally had a great disadvantage, and I feel great that. I was spared that, but I feel very badly for those people. They were many many of them that I knew that just never really recovered from just the whip saw the emotion of going through all of that trauma, only to get back and be told you shouldn't have done that. You're a bad guy for going. Onto risking your neck. It was not something that a lot of people could get past or talking with Bill Lord. He's a US army veteran of the Vietnam war. The book is Vietnam fifty years later and Bill in our remaining time, I want to talk to you a little bit about your media career. But I'd be remiss before I get to that without asking you a little bit about being a radio, man. Oh, okay. During the war, and what that generally entailed, the probably the last five or six months, I was there. I carried the radio for the company commander, which meant that. I was the person who kept him in contact with the battalion commander who ten generally flu around in a helicopter. My colleague was the person who stayed in touch with the our Tillery batteries. He was the forward observer for the team, and we were the ones that that called in the air strikes. And all this other stuff we had a lot of freedom. And honestly, I am remissed even admit this. I hope. The statute of limitations has run out. But. I only had one goal when I was there. Once I figured out, the set pieces, and who was who and what we were doing and how it all worked and that goal was to keep myself and all my friends alive. I didn't care at all about, you know, go attack that, you know, storm the best deal sort of stuff. So I often used my position as the radio operator to literally overstate the kind of pressure we were under. So they would under expect what we might be able to do because when that guy in the helicopter would say literally, you know, you're you're taking fire from this treeline over here, we want you to send a bunch of guys in there. I would call him the one of the machine gun operators in start firing off a bunch of rounds. And then when they could hear that on the radio, I would say, no we can't go in there. We're pinned down where there was nothing to win. We'd already lost our country. We'd already lost our support. I'm home. We wanted to stay alive. And it's funny. The company commander would hear me doing this stuff and he wouldn't object. Now, I never asked him if I could it which was kind of interesting if you ask permission, you know, it's the old forgiveness easier. Than permission exactly I didn't ask him. What if I could? I didn't tell him. I was going to do it. So he had kind of plausible deniability. But when I would do those things he'd kinda smirk could give me a little thumbs up. So he knew what I was doing. And in a sense if I could use my position as a radio operator to heap our guys alive that was a win for me. Honestly, it was the greatest single thing. I could do over there in that position was to use it to keep people alive and terms of Vietnam. Vietnam, probably the first or certainly in the twentieth century that became politically polarized. So when you went into media after having that experience coming home from Vietnam and seeing how. Politicized, and how veterans retreated? How did that impact? How you instructed your teams to cover not only issues of of military conflict. But but news in general, well, let me just backtrack just a tiny bit. I got into news because when I got back on campus. It was the entire world was polarized. You were either if you were on campus, you either shooting flaming arrows into the OTC building or you were writing right wing trash for further school newspaper. I saw being a reporter is being in the middle. You got to be involved in everything, but you didn't have to stakeout some position. But I guess what I did was because of that I always tried to get people to listen to other people and to try and walk in their shoes. And to hear what they said news is always about people. It's always it's a storytelling factor. You can if you watch the news, and if you see some bureaucrats Danny up there in a suit and. By giving you facts and figures and stuff it's nowhere near as interesting as if you get to the person who is affected by the decisions made by those people. So I would always tell people to get out and find the people who are affected by the story. Listen to them tell their story. Don't don't tell the story about what the government wants or whatever, you know, tell the story about the the the people who are affected that. And honestly, I think that we have an obligation to be fair. And to be down the middle is my greatest regret right now. I'm glad I'm retired. Because I don't think I could be news person. It'd be objective and be right down the middle. The way we have split the society. We live in today. Everybody's got that will confirm what they already think. Yeah. It was it's a big echo chamber out there for every side. And honestly, I think it's a terrible situation. One of the reasons. I got into the media was I didn't want to be one of the theaters I didn't want my people in the media to be haters. And I certainly don't like it. Now, just a couple minutes left here bell. I wanna give you a chance to talk about your book yet. Now, fifty years later what inspired you to write the book? And what do you help folks take from it? Well, I wrote it because my wife and sister found all the rate all the letters. I had written home from Vietnam. I didn't know they even existed, but I'd written probably forty or fifty letters to my mom and they found him on. They read them all this into a book. And so I was retiring anyway, and I figured well. This'll be a good little project, and is sort of involved over time. I I had an experience of seven or eight years ago at work when they somebody was asking me. Well, how do you? How can you make such rapid decisions under all this pressure? And how do you you know, how sure yourself, and how do you assign people to do things and just you just seem like it's so easy for you. And it's like this thing came out of my mouth that I couldn't believe and I said, I learned everything I needed to know about leadership. As an infantry sergeant fifty years ago, and it was like really did. I just say that. But it's true. The principles of leadership is like you've got to be decisive. You got you've got to tell people. What you do? It's it's better to have a wrong decision than no decision. So you got to be decisive. You gotta be fair. You gotta be you got to tell people what's going on. You got to be honest with them and the other huge factor. Probably the most important thing is you've got to basically look after your people. I mean, that's what it was talking about with the the radio job. You gotta you gotta make sure that they know you're looking at for and that always worked for me. So in that respect, I feel like there was a lesson learned in all that that that I wasn't even aware of that came out over time amazing anything about what you saw on your own letters that stuck out to you surprised. You just my incredible confidence. At age nineteen or twenty to make pronouncements about things that I knew almost nothing about you know, that that was probably is just I would say, well, you know, let's get Bob McNamara down here. I can around in the mud with this. Let's see how he feels then that kind of stuff, but it it certainly wasn't literary. But I got my points across and you know, my wife thought it was really emotional. I didn't find it emotional at all. Because I I lived at. I I knew bell. The fascinating story. We thank you for sharing it and thank you. Happy to be here. Thank you very much Bill or does the US army veteran of the Vietnam war. He's also the author of Vietnam fifty years later, I'm Greg Columbus. This is veterans chronicles. 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143: Make the World Better. Even Just a Little Bit. Lessons from "A Vietnam Diary" from Peter Nash Swisher.
This is Jaakko podcast number one, forty, three with echo, Charles, and me Jaakko Willink good evening, echo good evening. War is never what we think it is. It is butchery stupidity and hate. It is ninety percent boredom. It can be horrible beyond anything you have ever imagined. He can also be ludicrous and absurd and technologically refined. Tragically, it's lessons are always forgotten only to be reformed on still another battlefield. The Vietnam war was our first real media war spanning the globe in outraged unreality, bringing videotaped death and destruction into countless homes for mending protests and political justifications. Affecting the world's generation. It shattered our dreams of abstract morality and in horrible reality reeducated our you've to third world of suffering, they had never known and had now felt deep within their own countries worldwide. Vietnam was a symbol of the times. The best of hopes turned inside out of fear of no return. But for me and many, others, the Vietnam war was much more. It was in a moment, our survival and death. In primitive sophistication, our destruction. And rebirth. It was in short along imprisoned cry of what we all were not. This is a diary I kept while I was in Vietnam. Gedi is for the most part, unstructured as many of us were, but all of it is true. History. Someone once said is trying to tell the truth through the most acceptable lie. But this book is not about history. It only tells the truth as far as one person felt it. A frozen spark of time in bracing. One American soldier in a southeast Asian war. And. That right there is the introduction of a book. It's it's a diary and it's written by a guy by the name of Peter Nash Swisher. A man that was born in Oxford England. His dad was actually in the second World War and was killed coming home after the war and his mom eventually moved to Canada and then remarried to an American. And Peter was adopted by that American father and grew up in fort Atkinson, Wisconsin and Louisville, Kentucky. That's where he grew up. That's where he graduated high school. And then he got his degree in American history. In nineteen sixty six from Amherst college, and he got his master's from Stanford in nineteen sixty seven. And in nineteen sixty eight. He was drafted into the army. He went to OCS November that same year. And by nineteen sixty nine he was doing is tore in Vietnam. And. He definitely has a gift for writing. And luckily he left a little bit of that gift to be sheared with us in this book of his. Which is called a Vietnam diary. And. Let's go to the book. He starts off with a little prologue. He's got some quotes in there and I pulled out one of the quotes from the prologue. It says, the ultimate explanation of Vietnam must come from those involved. There. An observer, even when blood splatters his clothes remains outside. The basic experience of Vietnam is to be bound to stay in that war for year or until wounded or killed. No reporter can impose this shackle on himself. He is like a doctor in an asylum. He can report with compassion and empathy. He can understand great deal, but the final truth remains with those who must exist in madness or in the combat of their war. And that's actually a quote that he pulled from guy named Arthur t Hadley who is a war correspondent. And that's very accurate. There's a huge difference between someone that's reporting the war, even though they're there and you've seen the the war reporters that are right next to the infantryman that sometimes they're even carrying weapons, but there's a key component that is that those guys can leave if they want to in those soldiers cannot they're, they're they're going to have to do their year, and that's the way it works. And that's a huge difference, psychological, huge difference. And and a real difference of reality. And so the the diary starts off November. Twentieth nineteen sixty seven. He's going through basic training in fort Dix, New Jersey. Pull the little couple little section out of that. What's the spirit of the bayonet to kill? What's the spirit of the ban net to kill. Sergeant h and he refers everyone here just by the the first letter of their last name. Sergeant h was our third instructor. Another airborne veteran and one of the two survivors in his Vietnam company who came back alive once when his weapon jammed in combat, he had killed to Vietnam with his bayonet and his rifle bet, but. Sometimes we heard him screaming in his sleep. You see this poncho you see it smell it. It's got the same musty odor of the jungle, smell the fungus smell. It. I rapped up a lot of bodies in these ponchos you God damned, stupid trainees. You'll see you'll all be over there. Yeah. I mean, this is nineteen nineteen sixty seven. So you're starting to get trained by guys that are coming back from the war and they're going to have a little bit of different attitude than if they were peacetime guys. Although this is you know, the Korean war was shortly before this and the World War Two. So you have a lot of veterans in the war. At this time when I came in when I was going through seal training, there was not a lot of combat veterans. There was there was some Vietnam guys for sure, but you know, I was going through in nineteen ninety one. So most the Vietnam guys were getting towards the end of their career mean the Vietnam war for for the teams. What is it? Seventy two. Maybe the last platoons went over there. So they were at the end of their twenty year Mark, you know, some of the guys that stuck around for thirty years. Yeah, sure. Roger, Aiden. Yeah, for sure. There's some of those old master chiefs. Absolutely. But those weren't your primary instructors, your primary instructors guys that have been in for. Five years and never seen combat. So that'll change. Now, of course, with the current wars going on. Back to the book February, thirteenth, nineteen sixty nine orders. It's not very pleasant to get orders overseas. The initial shock honestly scares you a lot. You think maybe I'll die. But later the endless reams of paperwork show you dying is not that simple. Take your plague, flu typhus, and cholera shots. For example, one medical sergeant is Mack, the knife, especially if you're on orders, then there's our VN training an m. sixteen rifle qualification and press orientational and a multitude of sign out sheets. Do you have any overdue books at the post library? You think? Yes, I do have an overdue book, will they still send me to Vietnam if I keep it hidden under my laundry bag. June first nineteen sixty nine the last night before the plane leaves from Travis. You are together for the last time, stoic and brave. At least that's how it is in the movies. In reality, you are sick at heart in the mind and belly. You talk of the past pretending but knowing what each suffers silently. It isn't very pleasant or romantic at all. Why are we such stupid people? She sobs tears on sweat, body, close, you love her fiercely your country is another question entirely. As usual. I am skipping through portions of this book to make it short enough to cover on the podcast. And actually I don't even know if this book is in publication anymore. I had a PDF file from back in the day and I don't even know where I got it from. I googled it. There's some PDF files floating around, but get it and redouble thing. June third nineteen sixty nine h our war should be dramatic, like the movies, sweating and landing in a craft heating, the beach under fire. Who'd believe I went to war in a pink orange braniff, international airplane with a stewardess and purple leotards wishing us a good trip on behalf of the captain and the crew. Going to war for Christ's sake in a pink, orange airplane. I used to think war was somewhat serious, and this is again, this is a lot of people don't realize this. They use contract air. They still do that sometimes and then you'll fly over in a civilian plane. In July sixth nineteen sixty-nine airborne. Clouding dust betrays, a lonely convoyed dirt smothered embraced in jungle vines and barren hills, sullen, crags, and silence. A flash of light below two more exploding lines. We see toy trucks, crawling clawing, spitting snake lakes, steel. Too small for life sized war too far away for death. To his verse visions of combat and he's looking down at it and doesn't really, it's he's admitting to far ways not real form. That changes. July seventeenth nineteen sixty nine. My first body. I saw my first body lying west of ply, coup stretched out on a poncho waiting to be airlifted back to the coast. He was gray, white, and very dead. Even today, I can see his gaping bloody mouth gasping for air. A young kid who couldn't have been more than twenty years old. Then I thought Christ, he's really, really dead. I remembered some JAMES BOND and John Wayne sequels and those TV melodramas with the American love for violence is only make believe. With the movie and TV casualties can always get up and go home probably in time for supper. But this kid would not. You would make Walter Cronkite s- CBS news report as just another figure. Changing two hundred and twenty nine American battle deaths reported this week to two hundred and thirty instead. And then everyone including the president would turn to watch the Monday night football game on channel five. Then here was my first body. I should have been trained for this sort of thing along time ago, playing cops and robbers Cowboys and Indians, bang, bang, you're dead. And he was. He really was. July twenty fifth nineteen sixty-nine remembrance too. This is how I was when I saw you last. I was stagnant going no place and searching desperately for something. I'd lost long ago in the barracks. And so we escape to the gray, New England coast and the Boston fog and a warm downy bed to greet the night. And I began to live again and laugh. I love you still forgiving me that month. And forgiving yourself without promise. August eleventh. Nineteen sixty nine news item. It was president Nixon's. First visit to Vietnam as president. He insisted on going to Saigon rather than Cameron bay. The huge supply base Cameron bay doesn't count. He said that isn't Vietnam time magazine, August eighth nineteen sixty nine. Dear sir, in light of Viet Cong sapper attack on Kamron hospital. I questioned the source of those people who believe Kamron bay isn't Vietnam. I think the ninety eight men who were casualties and the parents of those who were killed would agree that Cameron bay isn't exactly Disneyland. You bastard. September first nineteen sixty nine. Rodriguez. Jim Rodriguez was killed last week after only twelve days in country. I remember as an upperclassman, how we locked his heels together and taught him the OC as version of military discipline. It was double time four times round. The field Buni runs added to checks, harassment and constant pressure, physically and mentally Rodriguez never broke. A matter of fact, he met our challenge one better and went on to airborne trainy training briefly serving later as an airborne instructor. I wonder how much we really influenced Rodriguez. We showed him how to play soldier. But no one ever taught him how to play war. It's hard to play games with dead men. Yeah. Like I said, this, this. This style of writing this just straightforward style of writing. It's. It's different. It's different. There's something there's something very guttural about it. There's something very visceral about it and it seems I, I mean, it seems like he's writing this with when he wrote this yet had no intention whatsoever of ever sharing it with anyone. That's kind of what it seems specially. You know, he's talking about the the, the woman that he loved back home and you can see his attitude, it it. It goes kind of all over the place sometimes. And so there's, there's, there's a certain level of just reality in this that I don't know. It's really. It hits in a different way than many of the books. Many of the books. September tenth nineteen sixty nine combat engineers. Bronze backs, bent bridges, culverts picks, and timber truffles, sweat, and grime and death by hidden mines and snipers. Construction repair, and when will you fixed my air conditioner, ask headquarters. Again, you know, I I know I've talked about the engineers that worked with us Ramadi and what, how, how incredibly hard and dangerous that job was. Those guys were heroes like you couldn't even believe what these guys were doing. And this is just the same exact sentiment there. You know they call. I just said engineers, he's combat engineers. That's exactly right. It's combat engineers, hundred percent. September eleventh nineteen sixty nine artillery cannon crashes eastward magnificent, terrible thunder, bright flash night bordered a surging mass explodes in thunder pageants of fire again again in savage. Aw, we celebrate the festival of death. September twentieth nineteen sixty nine a heavy load on the way back from Queen non yesterday we stopped our Jeep to help an old man with a heavy load which had fallen by the side of the road. The old man was carrying home. The remains of his youngest son who had died during recent fighting on long, the Cambodian border. The Saigon government, he said, had provided a free coffin in transportation back to his village, but the truck had lost an axle, five kilometers down the road. This wasn't his first tragedy. He told us that his eldest son had died two years older earlier in the assault on way. But he never saw that son's body since he was Viet Cong. He was Nolde man. He said, heartbroken and ignorant. He lost two sons drafted to fight on different sides of the war. And even now he didn't really know what they had died for. Yeah, we hear that about the civil war in America that you'd have brothers fighting against brothers. And I mean, clearly, this happened in Vietnam, but you don't think of a guy that's given up one Sunday, each side and they're both dead. September twenty fourth nineteen sixty nine a night. The heavens lie beyond us void yet filled with substance light and form Infinity. From nothing all exists. As billions age our world, not yet a grain of sand in mighty all the universe endures. Mortal. Week and woman born look beyond the skies, some clear and cloven night by lands and meet the sea. Embrace the stars in infinite conceit, deny from nothing. All you feel. And celebrate the over mind, original primal force, the birth of all that is. October second nineteen sixty nine. The convoy. Two hours before the dawn, our convoy groups, quietly efficiently, trailers tanks, armored trucks with plated steel alert. Rose of limitless inhuman war machines assembled in Detroit from America's great arsenal of doubt. Giant tinker toys of war. The mission always comes before the welfare of the man. The all pervading mission that no one ever knows. The men comes second rows of tired army ants industy olive drab no longer young grim and grimy keep their faith in faded photographs of home of virgin, hope of things to come. Or some in beads, an albatross of peace medallions hanging from their tarnished neck, a human cry in muted rage to say at War I am. I am. The soon forgotten symbols of a never caring world. It's time to move a hundred muffled coughs and snarls of steel and iron trucks. The schedule must be met. We can't be late for war. The dawn is rising as we rumble past our first awaking village here, people move to fold and field a farmer, even now to toil behind his beast and plow the sacred soil. His father wants endured. His desecrated Thome. Of craters mines and shells across the ridge in down the dusty Rhodes. But it will pass. It always has. The land endures all things. Very true statement. A very true statement. Specially hear me. You can imagine what did I say nineteen thousand nine hundred sixty nine yet now nine hundred sixty nine and he's looking at these farmers and this wars going on all around them and guess what they're doing. They're doing what they've been doing for thousands of years. They're plowed. Those fields in this war is gonna come and it's going to go and they're still going to be there doing what they do. The soil, it's going to endure. The land is going to endure. October ninth nineteen sixty nine. The sporting life. I met a Huey gunship pilot and Queen non who had just extended his tour of duty down in the maycom delta. Most pilots did the job they had to do and then went home. But not this one. He actually enjoyed his work. He bragged to a group of us one night that during a dull day where there was little action in the delta, he kept in practice by shooting at numerous water, buffalo in rice, paddies and sniping at frightened farmers. In one case, he said he'd played cat-and-mouse with an old pop Assan on a bicycle weaving frantically down the road. I scared the hell out of them for a while. He said, then I got him good with a beautiful long burst no chance. Hell he was in the free fire zone, probably VC anyways, all the slopes down there VC. We looked at him incredulously. And then left his table, leaving him alone gloating to himself. Even at war. He remained a leper within some strange unwritten code. October tenth nineteen sixty nine. How will beach at night. I wish you were here right now. So I could hold you very close until you things. There are no words for. October fourteenth nineteen sixty nine home one. We cling to something close at home, a girl or shadow on the wall, free son, a ragged hope. So precious in return. If lost we too, are lost. Not finding hate as soldiers seldom hate, but bidder stale in passion, dead. We lose our need to love. Home too. I love you as gentle, dawn spread out against the savage sky. A part of life. So very far away. Yes. Again, important to point out as I always try to that. These men that went to war were not just soldiers in not just marines and not just sailors not just airmen, but they were. They were men with hopes and dreams. They were men in love with that girl back home. They couldn't stop thinking about her. October twenty third nineteen sixty nine may. I was talking to may today a pretty Vietnamese girl who works in headquarters detachment as a secretary may speaks English very well. And often we joke and talk about a lot of trivial things, but today the conversation was more serious. What would happen. I asked her if the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese takeover the south one day. May's face remained impassive. I work for the Americans so they would shoot me then they would kill my family. And that is the reality. And that's the reality that you when ISIS came into Ramadi after we had left about seven years after we had left and after Ramadi had been peaceful for about seven years and ISIS came in and took it over. It's one of the first things that they did was they anyone that they knew had worked with coalition forces at all. They got murdered and their families got murdered. And from what I the, the information that I received from my contacts over there was about five hundred families were murdered all of them. So, yeah, when. If you're going to go into a country and you're gonna work there and you're gonna support some of the people make sure you stay there until the job is done. November second nineteen sixty-nine slopes and Dink's. He was a young buck sergeant from Alabama proud of his artillery days at fort sill Oklahoma and proud to defend America from worldwide, communist aggression. The Vietnamese, communist in his eyes were subhumans. Anyway, slopes and Dink's who fell no human emotion and therefore who could be a radical as swiftly as possible without regret. He saw this enemy. He told me for the first time during the Ted offensive nineteen sixty nine when for days and nights on end, his battery kept mowing down human wave enemy assaults by lowering the Howards IRS to treat trunk level and firing, Bumblebee canisters, which sprayed thousands of anti-personnel darts into the enemy troops. But still they kept on coming. One wave after another. On the night after the last attack, he went out with a small patrol to survey the damage and found hundreds and thousands of the enemy dead. But he also found frightened young boys and young men who had died clutching one another in terror or who had died trying to bandage each other's wounds. And the young sergeant told me that he knew then that they must also have mother's sisters and wives at home just like his men and that they had been terrified during the battle just like his men. And that they bled and felt pain and cried just like his men. And he never called them slopes or dinks ever again. November twenty first nineteen sixty nine Sydney Australia. After six months at war attendee miracle, the beautiful heavenly city on the bay, the frontier spirit with a rise sense of Ozzy humor drinking a schooner of swan. Lager with new friends invited everywhere, a genuine Australian openness, upfront and honest, the bay and the opera house Bondi Beach, riding the waves. The restaurants nightlife incredibly beautiful tall Australian girls disarming in very real, not afraid to be themselves to disagree, outgoing, indirect deep and beautiful like their city. Sydney, Australia, the reality of heaven treating us as people again and true friends, making us feel more at home than home itself. Our last night was spent in a seafood restaurant, MRs Murphy. The restaurant older told us, if you'd come earlier boys, we'd have had some fine dates for you tonight. Unfortunately, no wine was sold after nine pm with dinner. An older couple of pro star table here. Boys take our bottle. Your father's really helped us during the last war and we know how you feel about this one. God bless you and take care. Boys. Take care. Sydney, Australia, a beautiful lasting friendship, a love affair with life. That back in Vietnam had all too soon. The unfamiliar face that precious things take on when our heart is left behind. I've been Australia and it's awesome, and I can't even imagine what it would be like going from the Vietnam war into Australia for ten days leave and to have the Australian people just be awesome. So. To the ozzy's out there. Thanks for the support. December nineteenth, nineteen sixty-nine. Incoming adult thud muffled. Close growing fearful, Fudd, followed twice another crash, Christ body feet, flailing hands and sweat, waiting waiting crash. God. Oh, Jesus, crash. Receding thud waiting still waiting. Not you. Thank God. Move your head. Not you move your arm. Not this time. So there you go. That's incoming. That's that's. That's wait. And for that's when you hear when you hear it, get launched it, you know it's coming. That's what it is when you say not you, that's like he's checking. Dang is a move. Your head hit, not you move your arm, not this time or did. January twenty second nineteen seventy dispatch at nineteen. Eleven forty, five hours. Ten kilometers north west of Hoy non sixteen year old youth from a nearby. Hamlet entered fon quite hamlet and through two fragmentation grenades into a group of children and marines of the US MC combined civic action balloon to three seven. There were four friendly killed in action, Vietnamese, children, and fifteen wounded in action. Eleven Vietnamese children and for United States. Marine corps. The youth threw the grenades escaped. That's just I mean, just that snapshot of what you're dealing with there you are in a civic action platoon out there trying to help out at a sixteen year. Old kid comes in hawks, two grenades, and wounds eleven of the little kids. You're trying to help and four of your men. That's what your life is. February fourth nineteen seventy. Small and pleading is our combat medic with all his tubes bottles could never heal that gaping wound, nor still you're fearful cry. Jesus God, what a petty callous war when armies clash in hate to disembowel child. February fifteenth, nineteen seventy a green beret in not Trang. One can never generalize about individual divisions regiments or any particular unit. It's hard enough generalizing about particular people, but in not trying. I did meet a green beret who as one individual was at least honest about his motivation. I was sharing his battle of Jack Daniels on ice. I joined the green brace for excitement. I guess on one hand, we're living with the yards raising crops, grow and pigs, and hunt and Charlie. On the other hand, you kill and drink smoke and hor every minute may be your last. You know what I mean? Man, if I were back in the states doing this sort of thing, I'd either be dead or sitting on death row by now. But over here we've got a free license. You know what I mean? He said he was thinking of settling down after the war, getting into a business trainee program when he got back to the states or maybe into some branch of law enforcement. Yeah. War is suited to some people for sure. March first nineteen, seventy interlude. I saw movie tonight that made me think of you. It's bad thinking, you know, yesterday I thought of Lee who is killed last month in one core. The movie was one of the few we saw together last year. How different seeing it again, alone sitting in the sand at war. It made me think of our own into lewd. Why we could never accept less than we had. And would never have again. If you wanna think about that sentence too much, it's a little bit heavy. Why are we could never accept less than we had and would never have again. March fourth remembrance, three. When you smiled at me, I knew your different. You had no snide remark from uniform or uninsured a look of mock PD which seemed to say, look everybody. It's one of them again. And you didn't approach me with a fashionable overriding concern or preached me from pre assembled dreadnought of morality. No. And you didn't stay away from me or at me or through me, all you said was Hello? Through that one simple ward. I was no longer alone. Observation, flower pedal, pushing through the crusted earth embraces light and dies. The ugly route endures, but never booms. March fourteenth nineteen seventy the provost marshal Jeep stealing in Vietnam was a national pastime. The Vietnamese nationals had acquired chain cutters and became very adept at western autumn accounts with special emphasis in jump starting the engines and removing all cereal or identification. Markings with lightning speed. Even the shore bow navy installations took great delight in their midnight. Requisitions of army material and the green berets from Trang had on one occasion body of forty, seven. Sling helicopter airlifted away a brand new vehicle that was apparently impossible to obtain through ordinary supply channels. The new provost marshal at Cameron bay decided to do something about these thefts and implemented a stern directive from the military police to all personnel who had their vehicles stolen. They would now after right, an extensive report in triplicate to the provost marshal explaining the surrounding circumstances and further appear before a board of inquiry remaining liable to possible article, fifteen or car. Martial proceedings for negligently allowing these thefts to occur. These orders were to take fast to take affect by the provost marshal's directive on March eleventh that would really take care of the problem. The provost marshal promised the general by the sternest measures and prompt prosecution of any negligent offenders. On the morning of March. Thirteenth, the provost marshal was seen walking to work. Someone had stolen his Jeep. Yeah, I like that good little story. There's that stuff definitely happens. My CB's. We're quite good at that. So in task bruiser we had CB's the construction battalion, their navy guys that do construction, but they also have combat skills. So their motto is, we build we fight and they should have another model. That's like we get things that need. So my guys were awesome at that and they were also awesome it everything else they did, but it was nice that when I needed something, they would find a way to acquire it. Thanks there to you. Bruiser CB's. All right. March fifteenth. Nineteen. Seventy graffiti. He's got a list of graffiti here. Lifer, nine hundred eighty six days in a wake-up. Next prefer came in army. This is all miss bell before I came in army, I Couldn't Spell engineer. Now, one. Here's a good one. The US army. One hundred eighty four years of tradition on hampered by progress. The army's like a rubber. It gives you that false sense of security while you're getting screwed. It's not a real war yet. We're just five hundred fifty thousand military advisers. Fighting for pieces like screwing for chastity, share in the fright with freedom, go home with a friend. Next game your hearts and minds and burn your fucking hut. Next war is hell, but a year without a woman is real bitch. Next, how can we get to the moon? But I can't get home. Next those personnel with short stacks and low moan manifold pressure, please taxi closer to the urinal. Next year Syrian lives. That's a little shout out to catch twenty two. The book. Next would the last American soldier leaving Vietnam. Please turn out the light at the end of the tunnel. Think that's in reference to the fact that the higher up's kept saying that they could see the light at the end of the tunnel. We're comment. We're getting their starting, see the light at the end of the tunnel. March nineteenth, nineteen seventy love l. UV we once had a little puppy called love. She was the company mascot and Doug just about everyone. She was one of those beautiful little creatures who hadn't ever learned to hate or fear. She trusted everyone. Love trusted the sergeant to even though the sergeant wanted her wasted as a damn nuisance. So love never came home with us. But neither did the sergeant. Better have 's truck convoys and mechanized patrols often wed, many men to their vehicles during most of their Vietnam tour. The names of such better halves included here. So this is just the names of a bunch of different vehicles battling Bob psychedelic flower old, faithful road runner, acid rock hell for certain puzzle palace, pusher man, grim reaper iron butterfly grasp bender artful dodger moratorium and malfunction junction. And my first deployment to Iraq are, are you? You might appreciate this. I think I've said this before, but our vehicles my first deployment were named after. After the movie kingpin. So bigger and bigger was one of them for sure. Yeah, it was all in life. I think it was primarily lace idea. He he wanted to name did name. They named all the vehicles after GI, Joe characters like Cobra commander and stuff like that. Kuba common. So there you go get some. You know, it's, it's one of those things like like, is that just always going to happen. That's what in three hundred years. If you have a war or some kind of vehicle just may whatever kind of cool names you can give them. I think it's because it's a little point of control that you have even as a frontline guy like that you can do, and it's cool. Yes, like little little character. Like it's a little fun thing. You can add like, you know how the patches or, or, you know, just all that stuff or seal house BTF. Deviate from the war almost in in your own, like little glasses for a little creativity little. Yes, it's funny. 'cause well, naming vehicles was good, and I remember so they used a number of the vehicles one, two, three, four, five, six, seven or one, two, three, four, five, six, or whatever, three or four? Five. There's a problem with it though because the vehicles aren't always where they're supposed to be. So you go away to second. So you'd go out and get number third vehicle, which is number three, but you weren't supposed to be in that vehicles. Number three vehicles. Number six position right now scrambled up while they were maneuvering. So that's why we ended up. I, I told the guys name the vehicles, no numbers. Named him and they named him after kingpin. A picture of, there's definitely some pictures of of my first deployment in the dichotomy of in the dichotomy of leadership book. But I wanna see if you can see any of the vehicle names. Written on the side with one of the ones that I saw big Zev not in the book, but the one of the picture that sent me. That's yeah, that's from. That's from Ramadi. That was big. I think that was actually our big giant War I, I was like, there was a, I think it was the Marine Corps had a big six by truck. That was they had war pig. That was war pig. I was like that one. I mean, that's kind of a given that you're gonna have no names on that equal. Jack. Next March. Twentieth nineteen seventy. The two fronts. The kid was caught out in the open by stray mortar round. They don't make coffee the way they used to the businessman said and those kids with long hair Jesus. The impact caught off his arm, the lower half of his right leg and blew off half his head using red block blood into the sand. He was nineteen years old and from Ohio. Well, the president must know what he's doing. He has my full support where the hell is the waitress. Kid only had two weeks left in Vietnam three days before he'd already framed a copy of his orders home. April second nineteen seventy bond of friendship. It was hot. The ambush had been affective. Out there in the brush. There was little protection from site or hail of gunfire. The soldier caught sight of his buddy seriously, wounded, sir. Please let me get him please the officer well aware of their deep friendship hesitated and then said go, but it's not worth it. Your friend is probably dead and you may get killed trying. But the soldier went miraculously. He hoisted his friend onto his shoulders and under heavy fire. The two of them stumbled back into the trench. The officer looked tenderly at the would be rescuer, I told you wouldn't be worth it. Your buddy is dead and you are badly wounded. I know sir, the soldier replied, but you're wrong. It was worth it. Because just before he died, he looked at me and said, I knew you'd com. Didn't matter that day that one man was white and the other black. Thank you. God that out of a hellish war we can still learn the meaning. Of true brotherhood. Chaplain, Donald J Robinson from the hundred and first airborne division. Where he took that story from. When you were kind of jumping back and forth to like, oh, coffee isn't made with is that was he like impairing he had what I should have described a little bit better. He had one set of the stuff that was taking place in this billion world back in the states. He hadn't parentheses. So while this kid is getting ripped apart by a mortar round back in American parentheses, it just says, you know, oh, hey, where's the way? Yes. And you can imagine how that's, you know, I think even during World War Two during World War Two, the guys over fighting. But at home, like everyone was focused on the war effort, and they were rationing and they were building. I mean, they changed factories to start building planes instead of civilian cars. They built warplanes bombs, they build amunition. They built guns like the whole country was focused on it in Vietnam. That wasn't really happening. You know, it wasn't really that same situation. If you got drafted your whole world freaking win upside down. But if you didn't get drafted, you are gonna live your normal life and go work your job and live normal. Go to the restaurant and asked where the hell away. Yeah. That's similar to what it's like now. I mean, actually, that is what it's like now, and I've talked about that a bunch of times talked about it with Sam Harris. We the war, the wars that we have right now, there's a vast majority of the population of America. It doesn't affect them at all. Literally doesn't affect them at all. Because it has had no impact on the food that you eat, the gas that you use. Zero impact the even the way you travel like, okay, you could say, well, you know, we used to be able to and I don't know how much you traveled before. Nine eleven. I traveled a lot before nine. Eleven and. You know, it was a lot easier to travel. There's a lot quicker, and there was two flights always seem to be happening, which just easier deal. But now TSA's dialed in Nuff when you get used to the program and whatever, it's not that big of a deal. It's not like you're freaking life is not a big deal. So really the wars that we're going through right now for people that are detached from them. So, I mean, obviously, you've got military, you got the families in the military. Sure. But once you step outside, you step one or two degrees away from that, you could be living your life and if you didn't see it on the news, you would never ever know that there was a war going on and that's from, I think the reason he wrote that was. 'cause that's talking about now from the perspective of like when you're in the war, you're thinking about those people that they, they're not even not even affecting them. Occasionally, watch the news and go, oh, there was someone else killed. Okay. Can I get? Can you pass the man as and even like if you're not engaged in, it's like, you know, just how you say when you only when you watching the news, that's when you see it. And even now like when you watch the news like, oh, wow, you know, that's that's too bad. That's happening. Literally the moment the news goes off and I'm not talking about the war stuff. I'm talking about everything is really cause. I don't know car accident. Getting so ridiculous right now, the new cycles completely ridiculous right now and and it's no big surprise that. Why people listen to this podcast. Why people are listening to all podcast, why people are watching YouTube videos that are two and three and four hours long. Why is that? Because they wanna have a little bit more depth. What they're here. I was on the airplane. I got done, you know, they make you put away your computer. And so I turned on the news because it had streaming cable news and I turn it on. And I mean, I'm going when do they turn on when did they make you aware computer twenty minutes. I had twenty minutes left. And in that twenty minutes, there was like three or two sections of commercials. Actually, there might have been three sections of commercials that are all like four minutes long. I was getting so mad. I'm thinking, I'm thinking to myself. I just want to know what's happening and you gotta show me another commercial mattress company or what I mean, just just just trying to sell me stuff and then it goes back to the coverage dry. He goes back to the coverage. Coverages people yelling at each other conversations happening. It's it's, it's. And I've done, I've done plenty of news bits bytes, whatever it's called and you compared to a podcast joke. Yeah, it's like nothing. That's why that's why you know he law in Moscow on Joe Rogan talking for three hours, you know, that's a whole different story. That's a whole different thing. And I kind of think that's the beginning that's that's sort of it's the beginning of the end and. Stuff in the starting of some other stuff, but that when you when you can turn on the news and it's in its over that quickly and it doesn't bring you anything other than literally the headline just the headline which a lot of times is misleading on yet, which is is click bait often. Yeah, right. It's click, bait, cell phone, killing you. They're not saying the sell yourself, but is. But is it. Now I got. I got a click on that clear, right? Yeah. So nowadays that's even you could say that's probably even worse because there's so many employees not to mention back then if you going to watch, my dad was telling me this the other day that back in the. They, they had, you know, everyone watched like he just mentioned. He mentioned Walter Cronkite in this and like my dad was everyone watched Walter Cronkite. So everyone had a base common theme of discussion. So when you went to work on Thursday, everyone had watched the news on Wednesday to everyone saw the same news and nowadays. So if you wanted to watch TV, you were gonna watch that. I mean, I remember Walter Cronkite, that's that was my dad would. That's what was on you. Watch Walter Cronkite. That was that was just how. And now you can go home and never watched the news so you can be completely not only you know, it's one thing to say, hey, the news is over about the war in thirty seconds and I don't think about anymore. You can just never even watch it. You can watch the Instagram videos of car crashes more or what other dump stuff do you watch on on Instagram, Trump girl, fail, drunk girl fails. Yeah, let's watch thirty. I've got an extra half an hour. I'll watch a half an hour with drunk girls fails, and they're and they're funny and they're entertaining, and they what part of the mind do they stimulate because they must stimulate some part of your brain when you watch car crashes. You know now I was gonna throw street fights in there, but when I watch streetfight fights actually paying them apart. Right? I'm actually trying to learn something and but you know, drunk girl's drunk fells those you don't learn a lot from. I shone my daughter's drunk fails. Like when they were thirteen fourteen years old and be like, this is what alcohol will get you. And and the other thing for a while they were showing binge drinking in England, and it was I was actually in the news a little bit and who would just be, you know, men and women, but I'd show my daughter's the women of just girls just completely passed out. Drunk skirt, hanging open. I mean, just puke all over themselves and I'm like, hey, this is drinking. This is alcohol. This is this is what your little friends are getting all excited about and thinking, so cool. This is it. This is what it gets you. So good, good tool. So you can totally avoid. You can basically customize your information flow into your brain to whatever you want, and I'll go one step further and tell you that the algorithms that YouTube is putting a head of you in front of you. So when you get done watching one YouTube video of a drunk girl fail, what pops up nine more drunk fails ready for you to watch. So they've got an algorithm that's actually gonna just lead you to stupidity, right? They should put instead of putting advertisements. I should be like, okay for every four really dumb YouTube video you watch. You should have to watch at least one quarter of that compiled time into something that's going to teach you something about being a better human being. Well, I don't know how good of a business model that would be, but you know, it's, it's a good idea. Kinda in theory, I guess you gotta get beyond just thinking about money, echo Charles. I'm not saying they shouldn't. I'm saying, that's why they won't. Yeah, it's like right now because right now in this in the they're trying to put these limits on time or I think the social media people are saying, hey, we're gonna help you monitor your time that you spend on social media. So there'll be like a little thing that pops you've spent forty minutes on social media today, because you're right, you know what they're not going to say. You reached your limit. You're done not gonna not. They're not going to say, hey, you watched nine stupid videos. Now you're gonna watch three educational ones that make you smarter. They're gonna show you the time of your consumption right next to the next video that they that they made. Irresistible. Get you gotta watch a drunk girl fail. You can see her and she's like standing on the edge of whatever. Good one traced in like red. Exclamation point. You know how they do that. I see what you're doing. Yes. So you can be completely the point. There is completely disconnected, especially now completely disconnected. The reality of it world. All right. April fourth nineteen seventy Colonel s. Many officers NCO's in Vietnam know their business. Even though they hate the war, a war, not of their own making. They really take care of their men and don't give a damn about frontline formalities. All they want is to get as many of their men back alive as they can. The men deeply respect these officers NCO's in justifiably. So so there you go. Little bit little bit of leadership here. Take care your other back. The book. Other officers are little people with rank and authority and little Elz. They cannot command respect by their actions so they must command by their disrespect verbally and for petty offenses for haircuts polished boots and frontline salutes. Colonel s was one of these men little puffy. Hamster man who would not hesitate to lick the generals boots on any occasion, and he had the adult audacity on numerous occasions to lamb bast various troops for their sloppy haircuts in uniform at the base PX such troops had just come in from the field or for a long exhausting, convoy and not seen the likes of shower, much Barbara number of weeks. They always looked at the Colonel in total disbelief, then comprehending in a long imprisoned raged for this antiseptic staff toady. Colonel s.'s written directives were likewise incomprehensible, unnecessary wasteful, and in a word, unbelievably stupid. Many of us thought that Joseph Hellers catch twenty two was an unreal parody about war until we met Colonel s one night, some Viet Cong sappers blew up our petroleum storage dump. It was incredible. It was an incredible blaze for three days and nights anyway, after the immediate attack Colonel s jumped out of his Jeep, grabbed his forty five caliber pistol and went chasing after the v. c. hell. Bunt for hell. Bent for musty leather stumbling over the sand dunes like a long retired prop man and John Wayne war movie attempting a few tile and embarrassing comeback. We all sort of hope that the Viet Cong would follow the logical rules of guerrilla warfare and leave one sniper back to cover their escape. Waiting for the much beloved staff Colonel to come panting over the hill. But no such luck. Apparently the VC knew all about the Colonel and wanted to leave him right where he was and who could blame them. So there you go, there's those type of people they exist now they're gonna exist. If you're one of those people that started listen the podcast and joined the military at there's a lot of you get some. That's awesome. When don't don't think that every officer you meet is going to be one of these guys. It's takes care of their men. It doesn't give a damn about frontline formalities and deeply respected. That's that's not a majority. Now, this other knucklehead, the guy that's licking the boots of the general. That's not a majority either, but they exist. They're there. April ninth nineteen seventy waiting waiting is ninety percent of the game in Vietnam. You keep busy. You do your job twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. Occasionally there's a half day off a stand down or ten days of our and our outside of Vietnam. But the rest of the time you wait seven days a week, twenty four hours a day until things happen. You wait. And then when it happens, you're right in the middle of it when you're not working or sleeping, you're still waiting. And time can play some horrible tricks on you. Vietnam may be a one year tour for most soldiers, but they've actually spent many more years there than they care to talk about time in Vietnam slows down almost to a stop every minute of every day. The Vietnamese have lived with this phenomenon for century, but the western soldier cannot your last two weeks in Vietnam. Like your first two weeks are measured in months and you're especially paranoid about getting hit during these last two weeks and you wait. You're off duty time is short lived in very precious with a twenty four hour day in seven today a week is the only time you have to blow off your stress and anxiety. Your loneliness, fear and frustration. Sometimes you can almost, but only almost forget the war. During this time we grew together with our friends, we shared each other's hurt and pain are love and hate for home and war. We got to know each other in a very deep sense maybe better than our wives or girlfriends everwood. We talked philosophy and we talk nonsense, we laughed and we cried. We learned to live and grow. We looked back. And we looked ahead. We talked about changes, gay, NAS, and in America. We committed ourselves to both. Without these friends, Vietnam would have been much worse than it already was. Our friends made this waiting bearable. April eleventh nineteen seventy medicine. Men. Many doctors assigned to the medical cord. Vietnam devote much of their very limited and precious off time duty, working with Vietnamese civilians. Most medical assistance from the other side is gratefully appreciated. But there are exceptions. My brother Charles who is assigned to the six convalescent center in southern to core work with many Vietnamese civilians in Cameron village in my car village among others. But three weeks after he ended his tour of duty in Vietnam, small group of Vietcong sappers blew up hospital, killing and wounding ninety eight bedridden patients. Another army doctor working a small village, not far from Cameron bay successfully saved the life of a young girl twelve years old who had both of her hands blown off by grenade. The little girl's grandmother was also injured in the blast a short while later, the doctor learned that the young girls injuries occur while she and her grandmother had been attempting to booby-trapped the doctor's own Jeep with this same grenade hoping to kill him when he started his engine. A third unarmed. American medic spent much of his free time in a similar village attempting to fight an outbreak of cholera and typhoid. One young Vietnamese boy was too sick to be saved when the medic arrived in the village, but rumors circulated throughout the hamlet that the American medic was responsible for killing the boy with his poisonous medicine. Consequently, the village allowed to Viet Cong snipers to ambush and kill the young medic when he drove back into the village a few days later with another shipment of life, saving drugs. Few medical personnel dared to enter this village after the episode and half the villagers later died as a result of cholera epidemic. Yeah. This is. Reading a last night. I was actually reading. On the interview with David Hackworth that I've read it before, but I was reading it again. And one of the things he said was that. The goal because we dropped, he's going through the numbers and we'll do this. We'll do this interview on the podcast. I'll bring it in and but he was saying he's talking about how much bombs dropped on Vietnam Vietnam about the size of California, and we dropped more bombs in Vietnam, then got dropped in all of Europe during World War Two on both sides. So both the allies and the axis all bombs put together during all of World War Two in all that area, there was more dropped into just the nam. And what what someone said was quoting general that said, hey, we're going to bomb them back into the stone age in what he didn't realize is that they were already were. These people are living their farmers. They're, they're working. They're basically in the stone age. And so that's that's my point is that they're not going to understand this medical treatment. And if someone comes in and starts manipulating their brains and saying, oh, that that you're, that kid was killed by this poisonous medicine. April fifteenth, nineteen, seventy short, short story. Once upon a time, there was a politician who all by himself blustered and stormed and committed half a million young men to risk their lives in war. Some fat asked power, hungry politician, who in all has potato face ugliness had the goal to consider himself a statesman and man of decision. The American sheep went by and the young boys died and bulb knows lived happily ever after. Kirk meyer. Lee. Kaufman. Daily. Rodriguez. Just names. Just figures. April nineteenth, nineteen seventy officers and men. American soldiers in Vietnam came from all walks of life and so did the officers. Most of the officers I worked with in Vietnam in Saigon Kamron not tring were citizen soldiers like I was graduates of ROTC or OCS only Colonel s major tea and captain d. were West Point graduates. Colonel s is discussed elsewhere in this book book captain d. didn't like going along with anyone and major t was a good officer. Well, liked and much respected. One out of three ain't bad. For six months, my superior officer was made your p from the hundred semi third airborne and I couldn't have worked for a better man in route of the army. He treated us all like human beings, no matter what our rank was, and we were all fiercely loyal in return. Hey, there's a novel idea that's a novel idea. All these people that ask me like, oh, I'm taking over leadership position. What should I do? Here's step one. Treat your people like human beings, no matter what the rank and look. He says that people were fiercely loyal in return. When major p left. However, we became expendable to the greater glory of someone else, the army, like any civilian counterpart has its equal share of the good, the bad. And the ugly. One of my closest friends in Vietnam was none of the above. He was a stevedore officer, Pentecostal minister, son, and Zorba the Greek. He treated his men as individuals rank Klis and unique. They did their job with a minimum of hassle and they loved him. He was there counselor their friend and their equal. When he was about to leave Vietnam, his men gave him a symbolic christening in beer through in the ocean. He told them to treat each other just like you'd want the other dude to treat you. The golden rule in a tub, full of beer. An inner light forever branching outward in Vietnam, when most of us were plotting through the absurd in human procedures of the war, he alone remained a man of substance. So again, it's like treat your people. Well. April twenty-seventh nineteen seventy a highway accident. Yesterday we saw the results of what happens when a small lamb bradtha scooter bus filled with twelve Vietnamese civilians hits Viet, Cong mind, buried along the side of a main highway. The mine was primarily an anti personnel device used as the military abstractly explains it. The harass the civilian population. There were a lot of mangled bodies lying there until they were policed up primarily older people, women and children. The elder sons and husbands had already been conscripted to take their chances on the conventional battlefield. In America, a big highway accident or related disaster usually draws a huge morbid crowd to stare and gawk. Yesterday in Vietnam. No one seemed to notice. April. Thirtieth nineteen seventy the Koreans. The Koreans fielded excessive to crack divisions during the Vietnam war. The Roc that's Republic of Korea. The ROK troops were greatly feared and respected by the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese alike. They asked for and gave little quarter to the communists once when one of their troops was ambushed outside a small village in northern to core, the Koreans hunted, the sniper down, brought him back to the village strung up on a tree and skinned him alive. The Koreans, bravery, devotion, and ferocity as a fighting force was legendary in Vietnam. During the Ted offensive of nineteen sixty eight every major allied headquarters and military compound in all. Vietnam was attacked by the communists except one the v. c. and the North Vietnamese gave wide berth to the Koreans. I did not know that, but that's, that's legit. They said, yeah, we're not going to attack the Korean compound. Wouldn't leave it alone. So there is. That speaks volumes that speaks volumes. That's why. Yeah, you gotta carry a big stick. Got to carry a big, stick props, the Koreans. Here's a little poem in memory of a friend killed in action. Is it weakness for a strong man to be moved by inner touch. Must he spurn a lonely blade of grass and damn the oceans roar. Or must he look at sentimental beauty as a crutch and choose to play the game of pride by calling life a whore. No. I have seen the strongest man defend a withered rose. And fall from grace because the people didn't understand. They thought it was his weakness. They exploited, I suppose, and killing him ignorance. They trembled in his hand. May twenty fifth nineteen seventy Kent state. In the futility and rage over president Nixon's Cambodian invasion, the killing of four student demonstrators at Kent state university by the Ohio national guard mystified. Many g. is in Vietnam. We felt this outrage to, but we had a hard time comprehending how the press and the nation could make so much of an issue out of these four student deaths when we were losing friends and comrades in an average of two hundred and fifty men killed each and every week. It made us feel as unwilling participants that we were a sub human species, neglected and alone. Forgotten pawns in a confused godforsaken war. And we were. On both sides of the ocean. Yeah. I mean. Obviously growing up you you actually study. Like when I went to history class in high school, like we specifically learned about the Kent state massacre which obviously is horrible, but can you imagine so for the students get killed student, protesters, obviously, never should've happened. But q magin being Vietnam in the whole country of America is up in arms about these four students being killed. But every week there's two hundred and fifty year friends getting killed. May twenty six nineteen seventy the real heroes, the medics and medevac personnel in Vietnam, almost to a man were beautiful and very dedicated. People braving the fiercest fire and most whoring odds to comfort and evacuate the wounded and dying military and civilian alike. Often from both sides from the heat about oil. In any war. The real heroes are those who tried to maintain basic humanity time and time again, risking their own lives so that others might live. In Vietnam, the medics and medevac people were such men. May twenty eighth nineteen seventy antiwar protesters. There were various reactions by Vietnam GI's to the anti war protesters back home. The bulk of the infantry were high school graduates who knew that college deferments kept most of the more fluent antiwar pro protesters out of the draft and thus out of the war. To these GI's. Vietnam was viewed in terms of deep, deep, gut reaction. A sort of misery loves company affair. I wish those goddamn protesters could be over here for one week and see what the VC did to my buddy. It changed their goddamn minds real quick. That was he had that in quotes that wasn't him. He that was him. That was him explaining what the fought of the average infantry GI was. Back to the book. Some of our contemporaries had chosen jail or Canada and Sweden. We had chosen Vietnam, at least the antiwar protests could show the world that we were all not supporting the president's actions even at war. On the other hand, we had to survive this war since the v. c. and of North Vietnamese had designs for killing us and we had his eye on them. We were both defacto enemies. Nevertheless, most Vietnam GI's and the antiwar protesters back home had something in common. I love this. This right here is awesome. The frontline troops hated the war and they hated the safer, combat support personnel. The combat support personnel hated the war and they hated the organizational general staff. The staff personnel hated the war and they hated the troops back in Europe and the troops back home. The troops back home hated the war and they hated the placid non carrying American civilians. The American civilians supported the war at the time and they hated the antiwar protesters, and the antiwar protesters hated the war and they hated the government. Therefore, the protesters and the soldiers at like alike had one important thing in common. We both hated the war. That's a, that's a crazy thing that think about that whole thing is just like it's. It's the you could. You could play those kind of circular games with our political system all day long right now. Ridiculous. This overall feeling perhaps can only be described by a related story as the American troop withdrawals and Vietnam began an armored outfit. The two one Cav pulled into Cameron bay for its long-awaited departure home over four years. The two one Cav had performed a combat and combat support role in and around fan rang and fan yet they had eaten dust and mud been shot at mortared booby-trapped throughout their tour. And now they were going home to honor these brave and gallant men, general de of the Kamron support command decided to give them fitting, welcome home. Amid banners, bands and flags. General de himself was on the reviewing stand. Just as the overly tired, men of the two one Cav rumbled by in their tanks, armored personnel carriers, the general proudly saluted them. The first man in the lead tank, not knowing it was a general saluting him or just not carrying return the general snappy salute in the only way possible. He gave him the finger. June sixth nineteen seventy coming home. Coming home. We had to go through American customs, stored of like weary Taurus back from a year, long overseas job to the enchanted east. Did we have anything to declare not much most of our prized PX positions possessions were shipped home. Some having been ripped off by certain civilian Stephen doors along the coast. So now he is. He's home June seventh nineteen seventy fort Lewis, Washington. A big monster idiot tube welcomed us back to the world. A third rate TV comedy in the sweaty lounge with grotesque absurd, commercials, screaming and clawing at their dazed viewers with a never ending by me fervor. I'm sorry. I said, as I turned the monster off, I'm just not ready for all this yet. I know what you mean and not avoi- said spending a whole year overseas fighting to defend all this crap. So there you go the TV. The TV. The monster clawing yet it's you're 's. By me. May fifth nineteen seventy-one a March in San Francisco. There was a huge antiwar protests March in San Francisco this week over seven hundred thousand people walked down Geary street. And in memory of some friends, we found ourselves in front of a long, large contingent of old timers from the Lincoln brigade and directly behind a large group of businessmen against the war. There were students in veterans housewife's with baby prams, burly stevedores, electrocutions grandmothers and grandchildren. Policemen and hippies minorities and majorities all Americans peacefully asserting their constitutional right of free speech and assembly. After the speeches in Golden Gate park one badly crippled veteran in a wheelchair had just enough strength hurl. Some hard were one combat medals into the field LeBron's star medal and two purple hearts. Nobody cared about us when they sent us over there. He said. And nobody cares about us now. And that. Cata closes out the the portion of book. That I wanna cover, although I do actually finish it with what he finishes or how he finishes the book and he and he finishes the book. Peter end Swisher finishes the book with a with a quote from someone else. And. That's how we finishes the book. So I wanna read that. And it says. Close out the book. It's called another time. Another place. This morning, January twenty. First, another picture of war was the worst I've ever seen. It is just east of where the engineers have established a ferry crossing. Across the river at a point where the river first Benz toward the road. Until there they were buried. There lay what was left of eight or ten British soldiers. Perhaps one of their mortars was hit as some were burned, and there had been a heavy explosion, but no shell crater was seen nearby. Of two men only the lower house remained. Another two were each lacking ahead. And another had a leg off at the hip. All had been horribly injured. A Christmas card lay on the ground. Bearing the words in a child's handwriting. To the best daddy in the world. In those words. Were written by somebody by the name of captain George Nash Royal Artillery Italy, nineteen, forty, four. And. If you put this together, Peter and Swisher the end in his name. Stands for Nash. Because captain George Nash was Peter Swisher biological father. Who I talked about in the beginning who is killed after the war as he came home from Italy. Another place. Another time. Life in in many ways. In so many different ways. We are not going to understand it. It's incomprehensible. I mean when you get this Christmas card laying on the ground amongst these savagely wounded soldiers and it's Christmas card says. In little kids writing to the best daddy in the world. I don't. I don't. I don't understand that. I don't know. Why that is why the world can be such a horrific place. And how life can be so tragic. But that is the way it is. In some of the things that happened in the world. They just happened in, we cannot control them. But at the same time, there are so many things in the world that we do control. And all of us. All of us. We all can somehow in some way relieve or we can attenuate some of that tragedy. We don't need to spurn a lonely blade of grasp or damn the oceans roar. We don't need to do that. We can make someone's life a little bit better. We can make ourselves a little bit better and in doing so we can make the world even just a small part of the world. A little bit better. Peter Swisher, he'd actually did survive Vietnam. Any went on to become a lawyer. And then he became a professor of law at the university of Richmond. He was married for thirty seven years and raised a daughter and. Died June fifteenth. Twenty sixteen. Of cancer. Are called multiple myeloma, which if you don't know what that is, that's one of the forms of cancer that's connected to. To Agent Orange, which is the chemical that we used in Vietnam to kill the foliage. So the enemy could hide it. And that's the cancer that killed Peter national Swisher. But. But luckily his voice and his memories live on with us through his writing and through his stories. And I think through these stories. He left the world. A little bit of a better place. I think that's all I've got for tonight. So echo. Maybe you could. Let me be compressed a little bit and maybe tell us how we can help us. Make the world better play the world better place. That sounds like a big deal. Sounds like a big deal, but. Is it really that big of a deal? I'm not talking about you personally. Got individually go out and change the whole world in a way that everyone can see right now I had a conversation with talking to. Someone is asking me, it might have been Pete might have been Pete up at origin, but have been Peter Roberts. It might have been him, but somebody was asking me, you know. About, you know, coming up in the seal teams. And when I decided to become an officer. And I might have said this before on here, I don't know, but had a platoon commander that was a prior to this guy, and he was awesome, and we all loved him. And when you're nece- OPEL tune, that's the whole world. That's the whole world is too. That's the whole world. And we had this awesome officer this time we had a mutiny and all that. We got rid of our bad. Often. We got this good officer came in just made our our lives. Awesome. Our lives were awesome. And so I said to myself, the back of my mind subconsciously kind of remotely conscious, I don't know, but I realized that this guy made our lives. Awesome world. Awesome. And I said to myself somewhere in the back little. Barely formed human brain of mine. I said to myself, you know what someday this guy has made our lives for us sixteen guys in this, he'll to our lives are awesome now, and someday I'm going to try and make life good for sixteen guys in that was my goal and for that world. So so when I say, make the world better place, who could you make the world a better place for? Because you actually, you actually can't. Whether it's some kid down the street. Whether it somebody that needs help out there, whether it's your own kid, how can you make the world a better place 'cause you get, what can you do to make it a little bit better starts? You know what? It starts with, making yourself a little bit better. Get yourself stable. I'll tell you that. It's like the oxygen masks that drop down in the aircraft. You gotta get yourself squared away. I once you got yourself squared away at somebody asked me the other day, like I'm bored, what should I do? Oh, if you're bored, that means you've got room, you've got capacity. You can go help people. In the, you know how they say like helping others is like the ultimate, like reward people, they say that I think even before you square yourself away, it's harder to make that connection. I think. Yes, because you're still struggling yourself? Yeah, it's kind of like when you plan to see it's like Sede gotta grow into a thing about ground. I and. Sorta kinda, but the more squared away like you get not only the more capable you are of helping others more effectively. But the more you can make that connection like, oh, this reward is way better than when I chief to my thing. You know. That's why a lot of people like if they really love what they do, nothing everybody, but a lot of people that they love what they do, but they're kind of like out of the game, they'll teach others to do it just like a natural progression that is an actual possession. That's true. Look jitsu. Yeah, you become you become world champion jitsu. That's great. But then eventually a lot of those guys become instructors and they have teams, and that's what they wanna do is spread the word in like you see these guys who had like big, big couriers and stuff on a high level, and they're teaching, you see all happy. They are teaching others like Bob Lou random example. But he popped in my head because I've been to class teaching the kids, everything men. I'm like disguise like really engaged with. You know, I, I'll tell you right now. My last and I knew I was like my last few years in the navy where I was running the training, and I was really teaching all the time. Like that was so good for me. I mean, it was so gratifying that's get to see the light. I could see people could see people. To make make the world good for somewhat. These three guys figure like, yeah, man, you're your leader and that's, that's good stuff. So yeah, when I talk about that sound so trite. Better place. So how could I say that better? Hey, man, fix something helps. Just pick something around. You make your world a better place. That's why should make your world or make someone else's world. Just make it a little bit better. Capability, believe it or not. And regardless of that, who that someone is that someone that someone is you too, by the way, actually you first. Because if you make your like if you have a neighborhood right in the neighborhood. And you clean up your dang, that's squared away itself and everyone. Let's say there's ten houses in neighborhoods, small, whatever, ten houses, you cut your lawn. You do your hedges, you paint your house, make sure there's no trash. Whatever you've improved, that whole neighborhood by one tenth. Alone, let alone everybody else. Don't even think about anybody. One tenth, it's a lot. That concept. That's what you do. There you go. So staying on the path that is help us help us. That's what I said. Actually, I help us. Can you tell us how can you help us help. So yes, be happy to. So first thing obviously weren't talk budgets, not obviously, but we're gonna talk about. I think it is actually obvious at this point. People tweet me a day or message me that they took their first class all lot. For you. People means like three sometimes. People been asking for whatever, but sometimes that really means three people. No, I'm talking on a daily daily bape data basis. I would say. No, I I don't know. Maybe three to five people a day a day daily. That's a lot a lot. Yeah, maybe it's over exaggerated in my head though. You know what? I don't think so. Because every single time I go into winter, which is pretty much every day pretty much. There's at least one person in, you know, the the alerts. That I'm like copied in whatever it will say, got my first class or beat up, so, and this is every single time I literally cannot remember. So it's people are getting on the digital train? Yeah, for sure, yes. So that's kind of obvious that we're gonna talk about a little bit. You know what else is good. Very few people say I tried you too. I just don't like it. Yeah, that's very, I've actually, I can only think of off the top my head one individual out of all those people that like went back and forth with me, and it was just like, look, I do not like this. I think this is the guy that I said, look, you need to train until you submit someone. Yeah. Yeah, then you can stop if you can submit someone and you're like, okay, I don't like this. Yeah. Pretty hard to understand. It's actually tap someone out then. Yeah, yeah, that's not for you, but I bet you even that person once they got that art block. Yeah, that that money would be on that scenario a little bit of claustrophobia right in my life. I know you're over. It could could that alone stop someone from wanting to because I had one guy seal with me that he would get so train with everyone. And when I would chain with him, he would get so freaked out like he would start like like getting actually mad at me. You know that. And of course, what did I do. Decide controlled close as I could squeeze. Just smash trying. You know what, though, trying to help us trying to make his world a better place over that exposure. Yes, the answer's yes. I think that because claustrophobia like like for real claustrophobia, not just like, well, I'm uncomfortable, but like if you have a ferrall cost of we'll be in, it's a spectrum, get some people Everson others. But yeah, if they have somebody on the hardcore claustrophobia spectrum and then they got introduced to it early on and someone that was like a smasher. Right? Yeah, because you wouldn't feel cost if you were going with someone that's got like an open butterfly slash LASSO guard. Yes. Yes. Triangle freaking out tap and you're the place where you really feel costs because cross-eyed or mountain or. Yeah, so and it's not even necessarily a smasher per se because you can be mounted just normal mountain, not smashing pressure, whatever, just normal because it's not like it's claustrophobia psychological. It's not like a physical thing primary. I mean, there's physical elements for sure has to be, but if you just feel like you can't get out or you can't breathe or you know, it's like that's the feeling. But so like a lotta times even even when I was working through mine and you'd be like smashing, me all hard. I'm right. You're wasting your energy. The smashing doesn't do it when we're rolling and it's quiet, especially when you're like, oh, when I know you're doing it on purpose, it helps. It helps. Because it seems like a game like you're just messing with me now. So it's like, but if it seriously, if we're just rolling, we're not saying anything, and it's like, now I'm faced with either staying in this position right now forever because I can't get out. I can't get out of control right now. History has proven brain. He's so either I, I suck it up indefinitely or tap out. Both of those to me are death like tap out because you're tired or claustrophobia like that's worse than tapping out from submission. So that's why a lot of times you would cost Fulbe me into giving giving you my arm or something like that. And then that's how it went. And so which is I think, two times from just straight Coster foam because you didn't fricking emissions and that's terrible. And I remember about to be let down at myself as you were saying, all this kind of disappointed myself that I didn't identify that that there was a further torture I could have been doing to you, but now looks like sometimes I did figure it out. So you know, I remember here. I remember one time not too deep into this because I want to tell you a lot about origin. So there's this one time where I forget if I rolled with you like that day or was really recently I ruled with you and I was feeling claustrophobia and I gave you my arm and then you took house, I guess, like I was happy that attack me out in let me out of there because it's like it's really bad when you when you feel that. So the next day I see you rolling with dean and dean gets you in double snowing, and you are rolling hard for a long time, and I'm like, these guys are going hard. I would be kind of empathy, empathize when you put yourself in the other person's situation. So I'm thinking to myself, these guys are going hard for a long time. I would be guessing right now, and then dean was like he he, he was getting kind of getting the better. You got mount. I'd be like I'm feeling for jock right now because I've been in that scenario where it's like we're going hard and then wind up in mount. I'd be like I'm feeling. Like Brent breath in my just by watching, and then he gets you in double snowing. I'm like, I, I was getting microwave. That's right. Do it. You can't move my reaction powered. I don't think even tapped. For a long time and was like this guy. Different level. And I'm not saying necessarily with the grappling. I mean, those sort of like that was a side thing, just the fact that you can endure what I just wouldn't. Compared to my own. Nonetheless the next day, what was there a follow on where I rolled with you again, or is that the story I was comparing what was helping me really get into your shoes is because I was remember it could have been that same day that we rolled, and I just gave into the classic phobia like it was like I had a issue. I was like in terrible shape. Go train like twice a week. Maybe, you know, not just a bad scenario, but unless yes, the answer's yes if someone gets into to and they have a claustrophobic condition yet being and then they get in. Be a situation early on like the first or second. Yeah, I could see how they wouldn't wanna go back, but I don't know if, but here's the good thing about that. If you do and reap the pale of jujitsu and then you then you get into claustrophobia situation. You're more worried about like, how can I overcome claustrophobia more so than, hey, jujitsu produces too much claustrophobia for me. You know what I mean? Because you know the benefits fuel, like pay off of the way more than you care about or fear claustrophobia. That's my, that's my analysis. So speaking of. You're gonna need a geek origin. That's straight up. Third answered you question because plenty of people plenty people still ask me, what do you get? Why it's because people start at podcast one an idea and so there. Well, then by podcast is asking people at at the camp. I was asking people what broke you like. 'cause 'cause people get meaning. They're listen to the podcast while they're talking about while they're talking about, but then they'll be like, when you were talking on podcast, Twenty-three, you're like, there's nothing else. I, I was like, okay, there's certain podcasts that people art, screw it. I'm just going to do this and I think you posted something on social media. The other day that said that you if you're a white belt, you already have achieved more than ninety nine percent of people in the world. Yeah, because how many people act less than one percent of the people in the world do for sure. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, fully and reposted. I retweeted it from choice'll fester. He I think he even retweeted from somebody because so true like and the reason I reposted it is of course for new new people coming in, but that's a good reminder. It was a good reminder for me forever because I think it's good for everybody because you know the feeling like you want people. Men, I for everybody in everything. Not just, yeah, because there's other stuff that you should be doing that you might not be doing 'cause you're like, oh, well, I don't want us to cross the line. I don't wanna take the first step. Yeah, you know they want wanna. Take different. Step step is always big about that, but even like taking. So yeah, again, there's two elements to that taking the for step meaning if you're not take that step to go to. Right. There's that and then. To me, it was like when you get your ass kicked, you know, even even you say, like, sometimes I'll just get my ass kicked some like and people no matter what level they are be. Oh, man, I got my ass kicked, but I'm ready. You know what? I'm coming back and I liked it and all this stuff. And then they'll ask when when do when do I not feel so awkward window and not feel like I don't know what I'm doing. I'm like, well. You always feel like that you just feel like that little bit less every year, whatever. And so sometimes you can be at a high level and feel like that more often than not still, you know, 'cause it just did training partners, all that stuff. So I thought that those are really good reminder is like being there is super important and it's really beneficial. It is and also to take the first step. If you're out there, let this be the podcast number one, forty three that you said. You know what I've heard enough. Talk about this. I'm gonna go get some today's the day to day pledges schools out there, and most of them are good. You know which one makes or not which one, but when this is what makes me want to just go train right now is anytime you go into one of your spiel about how it's a superpower. Absolutely true too. Yeah, that was telling when we're we're waiting earlier today, my cousin heat, how when you start jitsu like you could digits for one year and right then at that point you can. You can beat up. Everyone else who doesn't play, doesn't do like in just in general. Awfully speaking. Yeah, roughly speaking exceptions for sure. But you know, like there's not many things in the world that are that are like that. Yeah. No, it's it's a superpower. Yeah. So every time I listen to you, say that kind of thing into your explanation. That's like that's true because it kind of puts it into the people bring their kids in here is tell them how telling this family this. The other day I said, I said, I, I truly believe that you too is the best thing. You can give your kid including love. That part out. So yeah, I think it's very important. All right. So you can get your keys from origin main dot com or dot com made in Maine. That's why torn main dot com. And they're made there and they're made specifically for jujitsu. The we've is for jujitsu. The fabric is for jujitsu. 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I think Brian, I asked him the same question because I have a hard time answering the reason. I have a hard time answering because I do both all the time and I'm not stopping anyone of them as an experiment. I'm not doing that. There's no, but what he said and I kind of agree with this. It makes sense if you are doing preventative krill oil, if you're doing Hugh joint warfare, good way to put, you know, my recommendation kind of is like, do both take them both, but that sounds like a good idea. So if you have if your joints like just started bother your or you got. The elbows bothering you, your shoulders bothering you. I think shoulders from is the one that I always notice. Yeah, then if it's hurt, get on, get some dry warfare. Yep. Yeah, that the good. I say both because it's the way I would see it in put it and just kind of the way I see it where it's like a eighty twenty. You know, it's not like, oh joint workers, hundred percent for healing and recovering. Then I think that at all. But yeah, I just and the other, how I don't know yet. That's I'm putting it out there. I'm not. I would. Yeah. I obviously recommend both, but you know somebody that costs a lot of money and some people like, you know what? I can only afford one. Cool. Take krill oil because that's all encompassing health, right? Whereas joints like, yeah, when you're joint start getting jacked up a little bit, which if you're doing, you're gonna feel it. You're gonna feel too is not a sport that you don't feel. Feel. You feel it? Yes, you, but they're both good hundred percent and then you got. Also, I'm I'm, I'm envisioning a world one day because I was traveling yesterday, horrible. And man. I got like a chocolate milk like a regular chocolate milk, which just awful crap, doesn't even taste. His doesn't taste. You got used to them. That's what it was, but still objectively it does not taste as good and it's on healthy. So one day one day in this world, you'll be able to go to the little shop in the airport, the seven, eleven, and you'll just be able to walk in. They'll have a little counter from oak. They'll have a little situation. Because how can they not do that right. I don't know if it's gonna take two years or four years, but eventually so many people are going to demand it. Yeah. Restaurants that can be private. Parts. Won't even have food. This have multiple mulkey tequila bars, right. But but different on tap. Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. You know, I have that dream to, you know, and until then, yeah, you can get it ordinary. Also disciplined to if you want to get your mind. Right, that experts get your mind your mind, not right. I'm saying, give the most fired up. I've ever heard a guy. Tell me about getting his mind. Right. I was up at Yosemite, and this guy I was coming out from a hike from a pretty good hike. Couple days out in the. And there was a guy and he was he was in the middle of the river sitting on rock. Just a not. You'll be sitting on the rock and we stopped there. I think we jumped in and you know, he saw me and he was all immediately. I could tell he was in the game. He comes over. He was like, I said, hey, man, you know, he said, all van podcast, bro. We listened to all the way us with one of his this all the way up here, which twelve six hours to get up here, whatever it wasn't all forty, eight and forty. Nine back to back. Oh, man. That's awesome. What are you doing up here? You climb in you guys go, hiking. He goes now, man. I came up here to get my mind. Right. And I was like. I was like, what that means. I do know what it means. Go, kind of. Yeah, go up there. Get your mind. Right, dig it. And if you want supplementation for doing that, this Lynn, boom, free mission. Mine your mind, literally will. Right, right. Yeah, premission kits, you're that's a positive. That's the origin main dot com. 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On the last when you're representing Jaakko shirts, when I see people representing in the wild, made that up in the wild that you said that someone else said that I, I don't know, but I definitely I think I might have said it because I think the I know I did say because I remember I hadn't seen one in the wild. That's something. Yeah, I've never saw trooper in the wild ended. Eventually I did, and now I was in the airport yesterday I saw seven people. They weren't wearing shirts, but they were all coming up and being like, hey, what's up? So people were fired up. But yeah, good there get something, you know if you wanna represent end represent in the wild clinic was freedom. Whereas anyway. Yeah, store new discipline equals freedom shirt. Yes, it's it's a little bit cooler in my opinion. That might be biased because I some influence influence that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was good. You when you when I told you, hey, make equals smaller and I could see in your mind, you are thinking is off balance off now, physically, physically letters, and then I gave you the idea of, hey, no, you put two lines. It's an equal sign, there's layers. You got all it was like a done deal. In your mind. Nirvana had been achieved new t shirt. Deft did click because and I saw one of the equals small because that's thing. Listen, nonetheless, anyway, Jaakko store dot com. You wanna referee. The main thing to represent. Yeah, not the equals equals. It's it's all equal. It's not the main thing. Yeah. All right. There you go. So Jukka solved that problem. Not that it was a problem, but you know, he influenced with his improvement. Somebody out there is like, no, I like the equals being bigger. Echo shirt was better equality, boom, yeah, equality. The freedom the freedom does as a discipline was kind of the deal. That's the deal and I dig it. They're gonna have to keep their old school shirt represent get another way, whatever. All good, good also, good way to stay on the path. The current path is to subscribe to this podcast. If you have not already. That includes YouTube. So that's the video version. So yeah, if you're on the podcast platforms, apps, whatever, where you listen to your podcast meant subscribe review if you feel like and also don't forget about the war, your kid podcast, which we just released seventeen and eighteen eighteen all at the same time. And I apologize that those took a little while to get out and my when I came down from my garage, Jim this morning got done with. From squatted today, and I haven't been able to Scott heavy. I not not like no, not heavy, actually straight up not have because I have. I had back to back, tweak knee, tweak back and then tweet me. So I just haven't been able to get. Man, I couldn't believe squatting heart. Yes. Like if you're not used to it, which I'm not right now, and I'm believe me during the even when my back was tweaked in Newsweek, I'm still doing pistols. I'm still doing box jumps. I'm still doing burpee and lunges and even little kettle bell like type little movements. So it's not like my legs are just sitting there atrophying on a couch. No, they're still in the game over here. But man just racked up. You asked me what have you know to twenty-five? I did like a few sets at two twenty five and I was like, I was doing some stuff in between, but still I couldn't believe I. Yeah. So my point is if you can squat squat, if you can squat get squat, get it on because that just makes you stronger offer you do have that smarter. From. Actually, I think about it. I read something about the neurotrophic released that happens when you squat your body gets better. Well, that's exercise resistance exercise, exercising. Actually, a lot of exercise in general squatting you're using like it does more. It's true it ups testosterone to their ego because and here's why basically, because it's a huge muscle group. That's why. And it's not just one muscle because when you're squatting, you're actually using, I think what you're squatting you're using so many muscles. Yeah, kinds of course, allies. IRS mentioned the biggest muscles in your body and with basically all your big muscles, all of them not just one big one, small, like most of your body. That's kind of how it is. You know, you're, you're using your your shoulders and then your little bit hotel. The other day they had hun, does done else. Done else. I was like, okay, risque gets everyone should have if you're if you have a hotel, if you're a hotel owner, get some hunters in there, get some Hondas and you don't even have to get you can get because the only stop at fifties. If you get, let's just say fifty. If you just get a set of seventies and hundred will be good. Yeah, we'll be good worldwide world will be happy. You'll be especially happy because I know you like them about you were saying you all fired up the other day talking about dumbbells. Do you like them? Because it's a fun exercise more getting onto the bench, for example, and pushing the bench. It's, I mean, there's a little bit more events than that when you get into it, but like you got it, okay. You gotta pick those guys up one in each hand, and then you gotta balance knees, and then you gotta get them up there into positions like that. Right. There's a whole thing, and that's not to mention the strength gotta have to push. So you know, when you get kind of good at them and you do them a lot, it does become fun, Jack, boom. Nonetheless, I don't know how we started talking Jaakko squatting laser sore all this stuff in the warrior kid podcast. How'd that lead to it? I don't know, but you know, every that's how you because when I came home. Oh yeah. 'cause this was gonna say, my wife was listening to the warrior kid podcast this morning when I came down from the from the gym and she was also miles and she's like, this. This is a good dial. A little Jake story here, you know, and she starts naming the people just like this, this person because the stories that uncle Jake tells there's, they're not. They're not what's they're not nonfiction stories. Right? But there's the basis the story? Yes, that's what is based on a true story. Well, there's based in the news inspired by. Which one is the less true inspired by jam. So I sent their inspired by inspired by true. They're not based on, although the one that just came out me being out in a row boat in the middle of a lake, and the ORs fall through the Orlov happened, guess what I had no life jacket. Is that smart? No. So got alert about that. Learn prepared, p prepare. Don't don't take shortcuts agree anyways. That's a warrior kit podcast. Good, you can. You can listen to those and you talked about YouTube. Yeah, if you're on the YouTube channel echo as put puts out, he puts out videos and their enhanced will say, yeah, they're enhance also just regular video version guests an little excerpts that are not enhanced their chopped up for consumption. I think we should have more of those two by the way. Yeah, I put one today, put more. We'll do that every day. I think that'd be good. Right. Appropriate say appropriate. Yeah. You might have to edit a more. The one, I think the one, the one you put up today, like ten minutes or eleven minutes long. I forget to. It was hot a stain shape when you travel. Yeah. So it should be like this, how to stay in shape when you travel do burgers and EuroTel room gets on. Have more information. Hey, warrior kids speaking, get the go to Irish oaks ranch dot com. We got young aid in the war, your kid, and he's making soap. He's got his own business. He's got his own business. I think he just turned thirteen what a couple months ago and he's got his own business. He's got income. He's got expenses. He's got production. He's got a production line and that is that very legit and it's not like I dig it men when you sell Emma need. We been when I was little. Oh, yeah. We stop every roads, the freeware, nothing. We stop every day. We got one dollar for one banana, which I know is gonna spend, but one dollar for one banana or five dollars for banana a bag of bananas for I think eight or ten minutes. So you know the whole deal. We make some money, I dig it, but let's face it. You can give bananas literally on the side of the road. So will buy them. It'd been cool, but. In front of my house selling a piece of rock selling. People buy it. Cute. She's cute. And they go, oh yeah. Would you like to buy a rock. Certa come from over there in the dirt. Okay. We'll give you three dollars for lady. Thank you. So that's what you pulled with the bananas, more or less. I mean, maybe. I mean, maybe more than a rock, but it's still, yes. You go over here, Irish oaks ranch. This soap is legit. So yeah, it's not like a novelty. So looks it's like for. Yeah, for sure. And it's a kid making it. Yeah, that's that's the impressive part Dave. And he's making it from goat milk. So it's not like he's making these pouring like some. He's milking a goat, right? Go to make the soap. This is a whole thing. Yeah, it's not like internet to the Mako dot com. And then they send you the ingredients, and then you pour into thing and you know he's milking by the way he's raising. Doesn't just like there's not a live. It's not him mechanical goat. It's living up the live made in America. Absolutely made it. It goes. Ranch. Okay. At some state clean. You also got psychological warfare. 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She's into the new one because it's new at some point. You're gonna go back to the original one and she's going to start. Made me when I read like I was reading about face the other night for the forty seven thousand time. Any like just gets more stuff out of. Yeah. Those books does warrior kid books. That's what's going to happen. Like when she turns six, she's gonna read it again when she turned seven, she's gonna happen. Discipline equals freedom. That means right now when she's eight, she's gonna figure that out. Yeah, Nathan, James, this makes it extra funding because I know who Nathan James. Saying it's extra funny where she really like anytime he comes up because you know how kind of each chapter goes back and forth. One is like him at camp and what happened. Then the other one is Kim starting business back to camp. So it's like that, right? So every time we go back to Nathan, James, she perks up like with. So we're at the part where you know how he's doing recon right. Fighting about Nathan, James. Yeah. And she's find out that part in like, she's really. 'cause we tell her that we tell that all the time, not everybody has a TV in there. Not every has all this XYZ good stuff, whatever. So she really like it. It was like she was familiar with the concept, so she really attached to it. But yeah, for some reason, I don't know because I make my voice like how you make your voice when I make Nathan James voice, I think that's part of it to do. I do Nathan James audio. No, but no, no, no, no, no. When you, you know how you make your voice when imitates some. Dork or whatever you dork. No, I know. But I make my voice like Nathan, James, trying to make him sound annoying because he's annoying. But yeah, anyway, it's very, don't way that we're real James on the podcast can wait. He was down here, but I was like, hey, we can do. This was just busy and he goes, let's wait until I get this thing taken care of and then we'll do it. And I said, so we're gonna do it. Real. James also discipline equals freedom, field manual, best kind of manual. There is by the way field manual. That's my opinion. This is how to you know how you have a basic structure slash backbone, just how to be. You know what word you're looking for, operating system operating system. There's actually that's your. So it's like, boom, you read it. Cool. I got a general thing, but you can kind of have it for two every once in a while. It's pretty cool to get feedback on that book and have people that. Get completely on the path from that book and then more important. They stay on the path from that book. Is it possible that book has that much of an impact? The answer's yes. And it seems weird to say that. I mean, it does. It seems weird for me to say that, but that is one hundred percent. True. It's one hundred percent true, and I'll tell you, what do you do you read it? Yeah. I mean, I know you. Yes. So I mean, so I was gonna say it may not make sense for you, but it will make perfect sense to where you know like there's a lot of good books out there told like good books in there, but you read them and they're kind of long in they have the, you know, they're real laid out very well, and there's like they go into detail which is good. That's kind of what a good book does. This one kind of violates that ruling awake because it's super basic. But that's why, in my opinion, like when I go back to it, I can just go back to it and boom, it's all like in there I don't have to read like ten or twenty thirty pages. Yeah, you know. So it's like. Ron at your face? Yeah, good reminder. Got extreme ownership. For combat leadership principles that you can use in your business in life written mud be and my brother Leif Babb, and we have a follow up to that book coming out. It's called the dichotomy leadership you need. If you wanna get first addition, which which you do, hey, somebody at camp gave me a first edition of. Ernie pyle's book. Brave men, I addition, yeah, how awesome is that? So that feeling that that that feeling right there of like I got the first edition of this book, brave men. That's the one where he's talking about the rumbling Komen in the noise is building and he doesn't know what it is. He looks up in the sky, these it was the heavy. Probably one of my favorite quotes. And I have the first dish of that book. Now. Dichotomy of leadership, of course, what's the publisher doing? Cutting corners, hey, we can get away. Oh yeah. There'd be sort of, of course they're going to do that. Because that's just what they do. That's that's what they're they're gamble is they, they make their little predictions and that's what they get. That's what they're doing. They'd rather they'd rather they'd rather actually underestimate have a little demand for the book and having a little spike and a little buzz about that. So they, they would rather be less. I addition or rather have more people walking around with the fourth edition. That's all lame. So anyways, dichotomy leadership coming out, September twenty. Fifth, if you wanna get on that thing, you can pre-order it wherever you preorder books, you can pre-order it and then got a leadership consulting company called echelon front where we solve problems through leadership. What kind of problems. All of them. Every problem that you have inside your organization is a leadership problem. I'm here to tell you straight up, factually no matter what the problem is. It's a leadership problem, and that might hurt because guess who leaders year the leader or your subordinate leaders, they're not doing what they're supposed to do. You need to get them on board with the program. You're not making the bottom line. Guess what? Guess, what kind of problem that is not a money problem. It's a leadership problem productions not meeting its quota. Is that a production problem? It's a leadership problem. So no matter what problems you're having and your organization, they get solved through leadership. It's me it's life. It's JP, Dave Flynn, and Mike. And if you want us to come and work with your company, don't call speaking agency. Just go to Ashland front dot com in we will show up in crush. Musters zero. Six might be sold out by the time this gets released. But if you wanna come, we talk leadership intensely and granular -ly for two days. It's in San Francisco, October seventeenth eighteenth. You can register for that extreme ownership dot com. Same with the roll call. Think we're done. The real calls when this podcast comes out, I don't think the waiting more seats. So for the muster end, the rule is the first call, so I don't know. But for the muster, what percentage of, let's say your typical group of people that come in, whatever. What's the percentage of appeal wise? What's the percentage of just so there's information. Perfect. Good guidance. And then there's just to hang. Liquids. Hayes the days we go from eight in the morning until four o'clock in the afternoon and on the first day and and then the second day we go eight in the morning until three o'clock in the afternoon or maybe two thirty. And to answer your question, we start we. We muster with everyone at four forty five in the morning, so we that whole time the eat. And then when we get done at five, we hang out until nine or ten that nights. And then the next day, same thing four forty five in the morning, and then we go to jitsu at night. And so, yeah, I mean, where the whole time you will one hundred percent hang out yet. That's all of us. That's your question percentage of you hanging out and is one hundred percent. That's part of the peel, right? Because how you say, yeah, we must have four forty. Five one could think from the outside, hey, that's a workout. But here's the thing yet to work out, but it's fun, talking trash. And afterwards we kinda, you know, and it's kind of a hang until it starts at eight and then beat. You know that the the breaks that you take, whatever it's like, oh yeah, you're kinda takes a brick. Yeah, you we don't take breaks. No, we just answer questions. We talked to people. We take pictures signed books, whatever happens throughout the whole time. And then after it's sorta wraps. Painted the whole team into a corner. They're not gonna be green room, but we're not going back stage. We're going to be out there the whole time. So guess what we do, there's no green room. There's no backstage where the whole time it's like two twenty hour days what it is four hours to get some sleep. You're like, oh yeah, you don't. Wanna green. Okay. Now you can't have exactly that's how it goes down. On top of that, like I said, call, we're pretty much done with number one. You can check and see if there's any openings, but it's rob ably not looking. Great right now. Maybe we can open up a couple more seats anyways for that as well register at extreme ownership dot com. And now, of course we have f overwatch connecting. Spec ops and combat aviation leaders to companies that need leaders, people are asking. What about guys from conventional forces? Which the reason we started with combat aviation and spec ops because that's where we came from. And so that's where we have community ties now that we actually have. We actually have some people coming on the team right now from conventional forces that we worked alongside awesome leaders. And so we're looking at how we're gonna open up to the rest of the military and get everyone else engaged because guess what we work that civilian sector all the time, I just said, problems get solved by leadership, civilian companies, guess what they need, they need leaders and the military housing. So that's work. And if you want to enroll in that from either side from either a person that wants a job or a person that's looking for leaders go to e f overwatch dot com. And until we do see you at one of these events or see you in the airport or see you on the jitsu Matt or see you wherever if you wanna interact or give us answers or give us questions, you can do that on the interwebs. We are on Twitter were on the Instagram, and we're also on Facebook, keep both. Echo is adequate Charles in. I am at Jaakko Willink. And finally to those of you who like Peter Nash Swisher who served in the military or you are serving in the military at this time. Thank you for your service. 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Fake 5G? Wireless Rivals Fuel Confusion, Controversy
The. This is tech news briefing im Tanya boost does reporting from the newsroom in New York with another warning about the five G hype this time by way of the wireless carriers because if you might have noticed big wireless companies are fueling some confusion about five G perhaps trying to put their own personal spin on wireless standards to appear more cutting edge causing some to call it out as quote unquote, fake five g what you need to know after these tech headlines. Apple awarded its CEO, Tim cook and other top executives with a big boost and compensation for fiscal twenty eighteen this comes as apple blew past its annual sales goals but face slowing momentum for its most popular device. One phone Mr. cooks total compensation for the year ended in September rose. Twenty two percent to some fifteen point seven million dollars. This is Cording to security filing this week it marked the second consecutive year, his pay increased. And according to the journal was driven by a twelve million dollar cash bonus that hinged on apple exceeding financial targets set by the board. Just a few days after Vietnam launched its latest campaign against social media, the communist regime, accused Facebook of not taking down anti-government comments, the state Vietnam, News Agency, said Wednesday, the ministry of information and communications had complained to Facebook about pages that were critical of the communist state, saying Facebook's silence. Was a serious violation of Vietnam. New cyber-security law one that requires internet companies such as Facebook to remove content. It doesn't like critics say this legislation couldn't bold and other -tarian governments in Asia such as Thailand that are also looking to curb the influence of Facebook. There's more to the story at wsJcom or the WSJ app. So parents former retail sites are now being seen as peeling office locations for companies looking to attract and retain workers case in point alphabets, Google is set to lease office space in Los Angeles mall. The project called one west side is later to complete construction in twenty twenty two some companies looking for unconventional office spaces have considered such retail properties. We work bought Lord and Taylors flagship New York City store while Normandy real estate partners purchased the upper portion of ABC carpets flagship store in New York's flat iron district last month. Google said it will be investing more than one billion dollars to build a one point seven million square foot campus in New York City's west village neighborhood. But also plans to expand its existing property at Chelsea market coming up, what is five G wireless service. The one thing big carriers can agree on. It's what comes after four G but not much else. If you may have noticed, many US telecom companies have started slapping, the fancy five G label on a smorgasbord of technologies, and apparently asking for a more specific definition of the wireless industries next best thing invites quite a bit of controversy covering it all for the journal is reporter, drew FitzGerald patching in welcome drew. So this is something. That's actually a really good point. I think there's first of all confusion about what five G really is right now at least what carriers are offering an is it five G, and it brings up this conversation about how there's a little bit of a controversy going on among the carriers. Well, and we've been here before right in the past about nine years ago when the very first four g service was really coming online and companies were promising this from three g there's a lot of confusion out there. In the market as each company tried to say, no, well, our service is first market and better and faster. And there was some jockeying for attention. They're g it's kind of the same situation. There are two important differences. Here. The first is that five G is not just the same as an upgrade from four G. It's not just the same. As the upgrade we saw from three to four G or from two G three G. It's supposed to deliver not just faster speeds to cell phones. But also more responsive speeds, and that means that the processing that your phone and all the equipment going from the cell tower to the backbone of the internet will react much faster than that will enable whole new set of applications and even devices to connect to the network. So it's not just about cell phones. The second reason that this is a little complicated. Is that a lot of this really is now there in the market yet the challenge for all of these companies? Is to tell customers we're investing in a better network. You're going to like it more. It's a reason to stay with us or join us, but you don't have any of that equipment in your hand yet. So they've each come up with different reactions to that challenge. Interesting example, Verizon has been accused of maybe buying into the hyper using the hype where it's not one hundred percent really there yet another challenge of this is that this gets into the deep technical weeds in a way that the average consumer should not be expected to pay attention at a level to which the average consumer should not be expected to pay attention. So there are a lot of different technologies that come together to form five G, and what they're gonna use used for really depends on each company's business plan. So Verizon's plan for years has been to start very early with this service that replaces cable or fiber optic service to the home. Basically, it's a cheaper blur way to beam. Broadband service through your window or onto your roof from a telephone pole or some sort of tower, very close to home or business and replace cable. That's what they're using their early five g technology for and in the near future. They'll be expanding that service to serve five g phones and cars and all sorts of other devices and on its face that is a pretty sensible strategy. Given the fact that they're very few five g phones out there in the market today. And next to none in people's hands. One thing that really struck me though, obviously see as twenty nineteen is upon us. And I understand the word ten g was thrown around quite a bit. And in reference to ten gigabyte speeds Lord help us. What is that about? Yeah. Well, that's just the cable industry trying to stir up the waters even more to grab the limelight and bring attention to their own services, which is though charter and Comcast or lunching. Cell phone service or have launched cellphone service that rides on prizes networks. They're really in the business of feeding people's homes and businesses with wired broadband this. This certainly is a business after all ten g drew FitzGerald. Thanks as always that's it for the tech news briefing reporting from the newsroom in New York. I'm Tanya boosters. Thanks for listening.
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