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This episode of Hollywood Babylon is brought to you by squarespace, start building your website today at squarespace dot com. Slash babble, enter our offer code babble at checkout to get ten percent off your first purchase. It's time to babble the Faulk on. From the world famous im- bra, it's Hollywood Babylon. With your hosts, Kevin Smith and Ralph Garman. It is Friday night in Hollywood. Let's babble the fuck out Kevin Smith. I'm Ralph Garman. Hello poison girls and welcome to the very last Hollywood. Babylon. Thank you so much for being with us tonight. It's good. What is that about? I saw your tweet and I was like, he didn't mention it to me. Let's not much choice has nothing to do with me. The man who's the man. The man is coming down on us who who is the who's, who's Samuel Jackson? Yes. The man has said he wants us to no longer do this. Now we got, we got hit with some some legal paperwork today. Yeah, it's whit classes in session. Boys and girls you're about to go to law school. We do a show called Hollywood Babylon. Yes, it's true. All right. Well, not tonight, but on the same page and ordinarily ninety percent of the time, this is the logo and the font. We used to promote our show this says Hollywood Babylon, but sometimes once in a while on a few things here and there we use this logo. Now the writing at the top of that logo. Some people might say, look similar to this thing. And sometimes when we promote the show, we use little cartoon images of ourselves next to stars in cement like that. And some people might say those stars are reminiscent of a walkway in Hollywood that has stars like that on it. Some people might say that Hollywood might say that the Hollywood chamber of commerce might say that we're getting sued by Hollywood and they might send you a cease and desist order like this one. You know, I I would. I have a few fucking cease and desist. I'd like to send to Hollywood. I'm just saying, I live here. I pay fucking taxes while you're about to pay more. I think. He went by going to be paying additional additional revenues, and I don't know, maybe jail time. I'm not sure what's going to happen. They fucking though we were trying to a the letters in the hell. Maybe our guy put it together with spasmodic or something like that. He just couldn't do fucking straight line less. The guy who does our works, great guy named Michael wait in the works out of the UK. He's in England. So this should be like diplomatic immunity or something. Right? I agree. Yeah, let's get the international courts involved. Maybe he doesn't even know what the Hollywood sign looks like. Maybe it was all just a freak accident on the hold onto Brexit. So we got this to Mr Smith and Mr. Garmon real. They put me I, yes, he's got first billing re unauthorized use of Hollywood stylized, Mark and Hollywood. Walk of fame Mark in connection with podcast, Hollywood. Babylon, we scared when you read that. Yeah, I'm scared. Now, it's a legal document from a lawyer and everything. They're gonna shut us down. I got lawyers. The Hollywood chamber of commerce has lawyers for another, but maybe the Hollywood chamber of commerce for God. I had a fucking heart attack. Get off my dick man celebrate life. Dear Mr Smith and Mr. Garmon pursuant to its agreement with the Hollywood chamber of commerce, the legal entity, which owns and controls all rights into and various trademarks and service marks associated with the Hollywood stylized. Mark commonly referred to as the Hollywood sign on the hill. And the walk of fame Mark commonly known as the Hollywood five pointed star collectively the property. That's just the first paragraph. Like Lenny, BRUCE'S point as career when he just started reading legal transcripts, onstage fact is so act. Oh, etc. Etc. Non compass, mentors, etc. Etc. Rob garment who, etc. But you'll be demanded to give it to pay a settlement fee to address the unauthorized commercial use, etc. Etc. You can read it all here in black and white clear as crystal. You're still fizzy lifting drinks. You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and sterilized, you get nothing. You lose good day, sir. All right. So what are they just want us to stop it is that it and pay them some something for their troubles? We're fucking podcast. I'm saying, what could we have to give them? What do they think we are television show? We have no money. I have no idea what they want, but it says right here that we have to give them a settlement fee for all the previous usage of their trademarks without permission. Then we're going to have to start busking after the show. I'm saying they're coming for us. They're going to shut us down and we're gonna have to change the name of the show to the happy type. Fuck had our or something. They don't own the word Hollywood. Maybe we're talking about the one in Florida. Great. They'll sue. It's next. That'll be wonderful. We'll have to cities silliness. I don't get it man. Where do they think they're gonna? Find all the money. Don't they know there's like zero, come bucks, podcasting, Jesus man who after somebody worthy and stuff, maybe they want. I don't know what that jacket. Good look jacket. Maybe they'll take that off. That's it. I think, but I think I confused me with Kevin Jane. Oh, maybe that's it. Got money and shit. Maybe we just gotta ride Emin be like Kevin Smith in all caps go. He almost died this year. Yeah, so I don't know what's going to happen. I really don't. I don't know what they can do or not do. Can they tell us to stop using Hollywood in our name? No. No, they can't. No, but that's not what that document says. It isn't, but I don't. I'm not a lawyer. Although I did play one in episode of a show called bad medicine. Who would your character make of all this? I would settle out of court. They can't stop us of using the word Hollywood. If anything that could maybe dissuade us from using a depiction of Hollywood with a skew letters. But even that you could be like there's no hill, it's create a fucking license. You don't own jumbled fucking letters, Hollywood, you know. I don't think I want you representing us in court because you're very hostile towards, you know what man I guess or no. So you'll be like, fuck you, Hollywood. To clean up your fucking stars, people pee on them, what's wrong with you? I will be like, bring me all the fucking heads of Hollywood Mr. Fox, Mr. Warner Mr.. Disney, I will talk to the mall and shit. I I represent in my own work four times the appeals committee for the for the MPA when they gave the movies. NC seventeen ratings are ratings, and I tried to flip them without putting anything. You have to go and argue, it's like court, kangaroo court, man, you get up and you fuck and make your case. They get up, make their case. You get a closing statement. They get a closing statement, and he fuck off in the jury decides the fate and the jury is made up of members of NATO, which sounds way more important than it is. Yeah. The national association of theatre also. North Atlantic Treaty. People that own the movie theater so they decide and stuff. And then you know, they let you back in, they tell you who won four times. I did it four times. I flipped it without making a single cut. Somebody gave me a trophy. I have it on my fucking shelf at home, so I'll fuck it. Take a crack. That is adorable. This is real court with real lawyers and judges and legal shit. You have to do afterwards. Gee, this is going to pay us a lot of money. I'm go to jail into real court and I'm gonna make my case. And then I'm like, I'll be out in the hallway until NATO is done. The like a relative fair in jail, please? I, I don't know. That doesn't fucking scare me as much as it seems scare you. Yes, I don't like legal documents. I don't like judges courtrooms. I don't like either man, but this one I think is arguable like when we made clerks to, I think I've talked about this before we made clerks to there's a dance sequence in the movie at one point, and there's a girl in the amongst the dancers, like twenty dancers and she's wearing a shirt that says I heart with the heart and j. for New Jersey. Right. So movie went out there and did what it did. And then we got fucking letter from some organization like this representing the state of New York because they own the heart. They created the iheart thing when the created the iheart New York campaign back in the seventies and they copyright and trademark that shit. So if you put iheart something and they catch you, they send you a fucking letter. So we. It was right there in the movie couldn't fight and shit like that. Right. The whole time, it was just like, well, I do heart New Jersey, fuck you. You know. And we paid the Bill while somebody else pay the Bill and shit like that. This is me getting the Bill to amd if I'm gonna fucking. And it's not just you. It's Mr Smith and Mr. Garmon that's the part where we dear Mr Smith. I wouldn't give a fuck. We wouldn't be talking about this. You gotta look at it as fucking fun. Man. We get to go in there and possibly he's lar- way out of this shit. We get to use our mouths instead of money man. No, no. There's only one answer we have to run who we have to go on the Lam. We don't leave tonight. Get your passport. We're going to drill you. What happened around garment? Well, after he left k. rocky just dropped off the grid because he was scared of Hollywood, Hollywood, terrifying. I don't know. She's scared of fucking Hollywood and stuff. Let's run no on I'm telling you, look, everything in life is like content for another podcast. So let's follow this adventure, even if it takes us into court, because what a great podcast they'll make later on. Yeah, and apparently we're gonna need a few great podcasts to pay these fuckers back for the money. We they think we own. This feels like a strong strong arm. Tactic man feels like we're being leaned on muscle and shit like that. Like you got to pay for the protection. This is a fucking racket. That's what that is a mob reaching. I didn't say that, but you did. What did they let you do podcast in prison? I wonder if they have the equipment there in the yard, we're doing when your exercise and try not to get shift when I'd say, oh yeah, my friend thought it'd be a great podcast that we went up against the powers that be in Hollywood, and now we're Bressan. I started my career is an indie filmmaker. So I'm used to going against Hollywood this. This is just another day of the park for, but that honestly, that's fucking species. Fuck. Well, I can. We put the picture back up which one, either logo or the actual, the thing that's both right. There's there's the actual sign that's Hollywood sign in the hill, right? We all love it every day or alive, and then it's the, here's our logo. I don't see it. Is that what you're gonna? Say core because why even go in, if that's going to be your attitude now looked like to me. In fact, I think it's spelled differently. Just gonna make shit up trying to build our alibi now, man, like, you know, they'll go back and look at records of this shit, and I want to be on regular Zan just didn't see. It didn't look like then, look to me just a bunch of words up there. This can on the mice. I'll be like, you know, who did sign that logo. My mother, she's seventy two man. She don't see nothing in straight fucking long. Get off her dick. Then we'll win telling you covered lie to the Judge Kevin. That's an excellent idea. Perjury is really a sure way to win something. It's not a fucking live. Your mom backs you up. More you now? Yeah, is this this isn't a note to get out of gym class. Okay. This is a legal situation here. I know you keep saying, but we're in the world the saying that Kevin, what did it actually is? Maybe it's, you know what? Maybe it's because like we been in broad guy but doing podcasting now eleven years back when I started it was the wild west. Nobody fucking gave a fuck stuff. And the only time we ever care it was when I was like, hey, we should change the theme song because we're using somebody else's theme song, right? So we should get our theme song or something like that. But other than that, it's, you know, it's been like, hey, man, free. That's why I love this field. You do whatever he wants shit like this is really going to fucking piss in the Punchbowl man where apparently there's a new sheriff in town in the wild west. Yeah, he's taken our guns. Fuck is we'd analogy so much. I appreciate it became other fucker now. Well, if this is the last one, let's get the most out of. And that's what I'm saying. Does anyone have any cocaine? That's all I need to knows anyone holding, cocaine, I, this guy's point. They do. I not any more you did it already, you greedy. Fuck before the show. I would wait 'til like midway three, and that's when I usually do mine. That's what we're not that funny. And then well, those worth the truth. I've been. I've been fucking getting a high on exercise we and we'd of course, but exercise is well. I started hiking, Runyon canyon. It's fucking I saw your post looks very. It's it's crazy because there's a bunch of people that do it as well. But like I don't interact with people because I'm just trying to survive so. But you fair breadth for talking long? No. And you see all these people like I haven't conversations and fungi unlike chitchat, and then walking backwards there seems to be this fad of like putting a bottle on your head and walking staying like fucking level and whatnot. That's bullshit thugging. Whereas thing I saw was I'm trying to get up this fucking hell man, and it's like I'm not made for this ship and I'm like, I'm gonna get through and stuff takes about forty minutes from my house to get to the top. It's not bad. But I'd like to cut that time, but then I'm like, what am I trying that for? So like I just take the lock and we're in prison, you'll be working all the time. So worried about you, you're going to be in great shape. You'll be hitting the weights. I saw. I got my headphones and man. I'll listen to my Whitney, Houston and shit. Oh, I wanna dance by. That's my jam. That's my exercise. Dan, that'll cut some minutes off your time. And I heard music like the other day as I was hiking as I was listening to my music, it was competing with by music, put my fucking headphone on one ear, and I heard a banjo, but not like Dinna near near near near near. It wasn't like, oh shit, man, I'm getting that Beatty. Yeah. It was pretty mouth. It was. Which will also you're in prison by two. Mo- life. But I, I heard this. We angelic banjo playing and shit, and as it turned a corner, Simone Fugger had hiked up Runyon with the banjo high strapped to his back. And then on his way down, he was just playing the banjo making up songs. I was like, you go oxygen bitch getting rally too much holy shit, man. Then there was a lady like fucking following, not him, but just behind him and shit. And she had a bubble wand and she was all these people by the way, I don't know is kind of nice that shit, but I can't fucking like concentrate on. I'm just constantly. I stare at the fuck ground and walk. And Meanwhile, I got that little dog bring Cecchi with me, the doctrine and stuff. And if you're trying to get noticed walking a little wiener dog is not the way to do it man because everybody's like, oh my gosh, she's so cute. Oh my God, it's silent Bill. And then. But every fucking Douglas, Doug, I don't even have a real doctrine. I have a miniature dachshund, so it's the smaller ones. She looks like a old puppy like just waiting to get bigger and shit like that. That fucking dog dude. Like season other dog goes ape shit, and that's all they got up. There is fucking dogs. Yeah. And all these other people, men are walking around with their dogs, free range and shit like that. Taken off the leash and whatnot. Could you gotta leave Cam between the two gates? You're allowed to unleash him, but you know, I keep mine unleash because she's a fucking animal. And so. And he dog comes cruise near men don't matter the fucking size, little dogs like her ship, but then big ass pits. Three fucking bids were bounding down the hill, and they didn't look like the mean pits and shit. They look like we're the fucking pits before shit goes wrong. You know. And so they were happy and having a good time and they saw her and they were like, oh, she had another dog and she saw them and she was like, I and these fuck three pits. Like are you into serious, hey, or d'oeuvres how you doing my God, but she wasn't right for their fucking is Bob, not to yank the dog bag and the dude with his three pits was like, are you serious bro? Think it wasn't. My idea. Man is crazy, fucking German. Braille. So I have a doing that. That's been fucking nuts. Did yoga last week for the first time? Yeah, I'll do. I do it again on Sunday. It you went on for a second time? Yes, I wanted to guy was never get to it one more time. I hated it. So more thing ever ever. It made me sad like it almost made me cry, like I was twenty five minutes into it and almost felt this urge to cry, like get out, you know, to the. Yoga guy. I had them come to my house. I go to a class. Thank God. Others would assault me break down and shit. Yeah. So dude came to my house and shit and like twenty five minutes into it. Like, it's it's so weird. I don't know why I was just like, I thought I'd breeze through it, but like in fucking hard, it's brutal and I, you got to memorize shit, and I'm like all baked. So I'm like, wait, do that again, man. So it's an amount of work or something. It's really unpleasant. You're not kidding. And then the hardest fucking part of it wasn't all like, you know, the funding upward dog and shit. Like I did. Okay. With most of that stuff, especially when it gave you analogies is like your weasel going under the fence. You know. It was like, I am, aren't I? Yeah. But it'll be a movie next year folks. Trust me Kevin Smith's weasel under the fence, but but number one, I found out I've no core strength whatsoever. Yeah, no core kept telling my wife when I was done. I was like, I have no core. She's like, I could've told you that before yoga. But the hardest fucking part was breathing. Like, that's the motherfuckers always like breed. You're forgetting to breathe, breathe, breathe, and I'm like, I'm breathing if I wasn't breathing, wouldn't that be fucking dead right now? But apparently there's a lot of breathing that I don't do well, it's going on and that's because I'm concentrating on not dying during that as well. That's twisting your body shapes. It has no business being in and and and it's slow and hard and long and you have no fucking patience for hard and long. And then they're like, okay, let's do that for more time, right? And every time like I thought it went on for an hour and shit and I and I was like, oh shit, we must be done. This must be, and he goes, okay. So this next said, and I was like next said, how long does this go on? He's like we have another thirty five minutes, and I was like, oh my God. And as I was doing, I was like between the line of like, I'm just gonna fuck and like, tell them like I'm done. I'm good. Like I'm yoga it out and stuff, and you know, or. Like I got the shits, I gotta go or something like that just or better yet. Actually, shit that usually works. I almost did that me twisted and such. Fuck it weather. I'm like, your comes. You're squeezing that fucking turtle head out of me, aren't you? And then but then I was like, you know what? It's a fucking our like suffered through. Like at the end of this, I said it again. It's a podcast I'll be able to talk about is just content getting through it and shit like that. And then when I got done, I was happy like, but not happy like, oh, I'm happy with myself. I'm like off that Christ. That's done. Yeah. And I told my wife, I like I feel like I almost cried in the middle of it and she's like, that's yoga. And and I was like, why? Why would you wanna do? She's like I get in touch with everything when I'm doing I, I like hiking Runyon. There's no tears. Like, you know, there's there's and banjos like magical wonderland. So you know, she's like, well, are you going to do it again? I said, yeah, I think I wanna I wanna I wanna keep trying. I want to see if maybe at the end of it, I realized maybe I was just frustrated because I'd never done it before and I needed more strengthen the only while gets jank as if I do it more. I'll say this man the next day. My like this area, the gut like fucking hurt. Like is if I'd done a thousand sit ups or something. So it's great exercise, I guess. So I did that. My wife was fucking in love with me. Do she was just like, you're coming into my world. She's like, you're always bringing it into me. Bringing me to marvel movies. This is my marvel movie. But after that class I was like, I stained for the end credits this the real shitty Marlin we'd like to punish her or something. It's a good one. My wife, we do this. I do a show called the Ralph report. Also, besides those. And so we do these couples adventures from time to time where we do things together, and she said, I, we should do a yoga class together because she goes all the time. So we'll bring somebody the house and we'll do yoga class and we'll record it and that'll be content for the podcast. So we set up the recorder and we do this and I went through what you explained only I had much worse attitude apparently than you did and I was and it was all over and I went to press the recorder and the levels of the microphone were not working properly and it was useless. All the audio was useless. Sweated for nothing for nothing and my wife said, well, don't worry. We'll just set up another class and do it. Again. I said, new, we won't. That's the lost episode of the row before, no one will ever hear that. That's not gonna happen. I've got signed up again. You're a good one more time to do it on Sunday morning at the house, and Jason's going to come over and do with me. So that should be a laugh riot, Jay silent. Bob, do yoga. Posers, Jay, and silent. Bob, son, salute or whatever the fuck it is Sal. You take, what is it sun? SAI what is it? Sun? Salutations, you're one of them. Might you get out. There's a lot of stay the fuck outta here lady. It's Hollywood, man. It's full of like Vuk, vegans, yoga people in lawsuits, lawsuits banjos bubble ones. Awesome. What happened. And tort laws. Yeah, right. All right. Let's get the show kicked off the way we do each and every episode by talking to you folks out here in the audience who have come particularly long distances or celebrating special occasions with us tonight. It's a segment we call the shoutouts. It's shout. Kevin Rowson gets you Chuck cow. It's a cap. Also gonna come in handy in prison. See that should only make the Hollywood James of commerce. Browse, you know, proud debate affiliated with, say in the paperwork that they're afraid. People might think that they endorse our show using their logo harassed of us. I don't endorse their fucking show. Whatever you never get get a star in the fame now if you piss these people on his that with that, yes, that's those people. I'm really sorry. Yeah. I got nothing to lose, but you'll never get one of those things. I want one of those man. Oh, we gotta make nice. That's what I'm saying. Dammit, man. The older I get, the harder it is to be a rebel because fuck the establishment that I'm like, well, I want that. Give it to me now got me about a balls, man, because I want a piece of fuck and pavement to hack up with a picket x. later on. Hey, there gang this episode of Hollywood. Babylon is brought to you by squarespace. 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Are you hear, Matt, the red where, hey, hey. As the opening to the show, man, he's back. Yes, he's back. Oh, it is. It's mad. The rest. This wanted to get a shot at on today's show, be tending with my beautiful girlfriend, Amanda. I'll be the judge of that, whereas our holy crap assoc- reacted like crazy one. You said mother. She was a q. Not the rat is punching glove, his weight class. That's all I. I'm not gonna ask for anal because you already gives me plenty of that. I looked into the audience, saw her shocked expansion. And on a special occasion, I'll even indulge in a half or full fingers says Matt threat. At least you get up and his rat hole. But I just wanted to tell you how much you can you. And Kevin mean to me in my life, the only reason I ever listened to Kevin and bean on k rock was so they could listen to my favorite comedian, Ralph Garman I was twelve. So took me a while to learn the Ralph Garman wasn't a comedian. Now don't you met. He was just a really funny guy. Well, thank you. It was also the first person. My parents wouldn't let let me listen to on k rock because his segments were too adult in quotes, and one was when I was young man learning who I was and struggled with religion and want to believe in Kevin. Tommy it's okay to be unsure and just live a life learning from each other. At least that's what I took from his film dogma. Oh, I thought you. I thought you thought I was Kevin of Kevin and bean. We're going to break into this poor kid. The most importantly, you both taught me that no matter what nothing is better than sharing last with those you love. And those who have also influenced inspired me to start my own podcast. Yeah, my dream. What's the call? What's podcast called rat talk rat talk, man. I step Assode anal with my lady. No. She does it lots. Even wanna know more. You're gonna get sued by the ban rat. That's why. Whatever you do, don't arrange your letters all crooked up. Come after you. Yeah, I dream that one day. You recognize me from my hard work and that one day I can call you guys friends that's not gonna happen. I can guarantee you this much in life Matt the rat. We're never going to be fucking France. I don't know. Man invite me over to watch some of that. Ain't even row very different. I don't need to touch it another, and I just wanna see us stop. It sounds real exciting. Can you have someone play banjo in the background. Way bubbles. Oh my God, because you imagine he's just fucking rail in each other and they asked and I'm using a bubble wa. Flying plays the banjo in the corner. Welcome to hell. David Lynch presents. Amanda. All right. Mark bubble wand. Because you guys have already given me so much good in my life instead of asking Rao to do one of his eight impressions go, fuck yourself, man. Or advice from sexy, Kevin, just like a picture with my two idols without you. I wouldn't have any dreams of ambition. They provide that you provide each day every day with your hard work. And so I thank you. Sincerely yours met the rat. You aka your future best friend. I told you already. It's not going to happen. Come on up here. So you're not going to bring a man, what's going to happen? Fine. Okay. The only reason I really invited you up man was us. She's wearing a shirt, they'll stand behind this. We'll take. Okay, great. I'm a director, I can tell you, got you. Got a future in this business. Get me to your camera. Give me to your camera. What are you? Fucking alien. Land cloud to Nick toe. Here we go. Let me to your camera. Oh, there we are. We're looking. Okay. This I got right up there. Got it. Exactly. All right. Thank you so much guys. Thank you. Thank you. Nice to meet you. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about right there. Everybody's looking at you both and picturing. Yeah. Everyone who is just like, I could see. So weird, man. It's like suddenly, when you hear somebody say that your respect for them increases a little bit. You're interesting. I want to get to know you. Sean van swollen. Are you here. What's a great fucking name spelled Sean van. Swollen v. a. n. s. w. o. l. it's awesome man is that real g. mega handed down by your dad. Fucking, what is it? Where's it from. Dutch German. Right. How Sean van swale sounds like a great, fuck and action movie stars, John Claude, van Damme Sean von small in matched to kill. My name is Shawn. My lovely lady, Sherry, and I will be attending the show all the way from Phoenix, Arizona. We're Sherri, Sherri, how are you Phoenix, Arizona. Awesome. The reason I'm writing I introduced Hollywood Babylon to Sherry by showing her the latest show on smart cast dot com. Yeah, enjoy it while less because they're gonna. Tell down. 'cause Hollywood's gonna come Knockin and it's all going to disappear. I'm truly sorry around. She had no clue as to who you were. I have no clue as do. I am either show he's still working on that. She barely knows Kevin silent Bob. That's okay. I'm the one that doesn't talk, but she absolutely loved the show. We've got to convert per minute, worked as a huge fan of your jumping aboard, just as the train is coming into the stage. Right. Thank you as a huge fan of twin peaks. I would love to hear David Lynch you. We just did not only welcome Sherrie to Hollywood Babylon, but wish you're a belated birthday as well and let her know that I'm requesting access to the magical winking chocolate starfish tonight. Well, happy birthday, Sherry. I understand your starfish is magical. Does it have a one? Well, it will tonight. It's not gonna get any better in that happy birthday. Jerry. Thanks so much for coming out. Adamant Ashley from Burlington Ontario Canada. We're here, whereas Burlington is outside Toronto. West west of Toronto is near near. London at all London, Ontario. That far away. Okay, because I'm going to be in London Ontario next weekend or you're doing there the the forest city Comecon. They asked me to come up and be a guest at the Comecon going to Canada. Yeah, I'm going to Canada this week. I'm going to do another episode of supergirl. No, it citing ahead up on Wednesday to then cougar on just I think the script is coming in this weekend almost can't wait, man. I haven't done one in a red hot minute since this time. Last year we're longtime listeners is the second show we've attended last being the two hundred episode in Toronto. Right? Thank you. We're on our way to explore Hawaii for two weeks. What we feel is an overdue vacation. I thought what better way to kick off our vacation then to stop over in l. a. for night to attend the show. Well, thanks guys for coming out. They're also may be a hidden agenda to our trip to start trying to turn our dynamic duo into a trio. Yeah. There's two ways I can take that either. You're, you're, you wanna three way or your or you're gonna. You're gonna make baby, which which one is it a little bit of both. Oh my God. You're going to let a stranger come in your wife. Hot, it's so fucking hot little weight that hot, but he'd be bad or man. Why are you want a stranger baby. Coming the net flicks this fall. Your baby. Is that what you're looking for thought she knew her baby, but it was a stranger baby. You're looking for third man. This is the town to do, and you guys are what normally from fucking candidate. We're shits all straight up and whatnot. This is the town to get extra dick in man. So you're looking for or you're looking for a lady, a lady how quickly he yelled that. Allegedy coward. Man, if you're going to be here in Los Angeles, welcome Hollywood. Put a dick in your mouth, right? But if you want to be all conventional and get a lady, can Adam west Batman and Bain offer us some advice on how to increase our chances? Sure. I guess they can Hulo Ashley and Adam. I don't go in for these sort of shenanigans. Love should be between two people on man and a slightly more effeminate man. Well, I do go in for these sorts of dot Spain. You evil fiend. No, no. I just want to see these people get what they want. A third. But don't be a pussy, bring a man to bed. Perhaps even about bad. Or get yourself a young ward, an old Englishman. That's a hot three way. You'll find him sliding down there about pools. Thanks for coming out guys. We appreciate it. Well, let's see. Is there anybody in the fucking audience looking for the? Why are you pointing at he volunteering you to have a three way? Are you Pam. That'd be awesome. We had a pimp and a prostitute in the crowd I wanted to do. So I got it on my mind. I can't. That was the I love the deuce Jesus. I'm all about that passionate about. Now I'm dropping the deuce. Is if you're into some fucking one of before focus fly to Hawaii. See the Canadians in the back. Yeah. What what about you NAMA stay? You must like that kind of stuff. You're all twisty and Ben and stuff. No. Right? Just a little trailer granola to follow you anywhere. Is Ashley Kotkin here. Hi, Ashley, aren't you sweet little mouse. Actually is the best is. My name is Ashley. I'm so excited to be attending your show. I'm a huge longtime fan of Kevin's enlisted you both as my favorite way to dull my perpetual case of the Mondays. I'm taking a mini vacation Unswayed. Let's stop and appreciate good writing, man. Let's see the last part of that sentence. All right, professor which grade I'm a huge longtime fan of Kevin's and listening to both is my favorite way to dole my perpetual case of the Mondays. That's that's good writing. I. Somebody's got a case of the Mondays. I'll be taking a mini vacation from the south bay for to celebrate an epic milestone in my life. Now, listen to this story. This is truly heroic six months ago. I was fortunate enough to donate sixty percent of my liver to my amazing dad. It was suffering from an autoimmune liver disease. Oh my God, man. So fucking beautiful. Oh my God. I never thought about it. I've got a kid now I've got a spare liver to write you can use them for parts. Awesome. I'm so happy and proud to say he's back in action kicking ass and taking names fucking awesome. And this will also Mark the day I'm finding loud to drink after a full year of sobriety to threat for and recover from surgery. Wow. Since I imagine it's not legal to smoke on stage with Kevin nine, not yet some day and minute. Now I would be honoured if rob would take a shot with me for my first post op drink to kick off a weekend of breaking in my freshly regrowed liver. I, I. So many questions. Take me to your phone. Take me to your camera, so wait sixty percent of your liver, went to your dad and then did it grow back? Does the. The liver, the only right it, it'll grow back and shit. It'll grow into two snakes or two livers. Is that what it did. Yes. They tried to make sure that both people have eve amount to thrive on and then the recipient receives. He does. So you kept forty percent and dad got sixty and your forty percent grew back into one hundred percent and his sixty grew into one hundred percent. And now she's gonna. Fuck hers up. The good news is when you have a kid, you get to take their fucking liver van. It's like a weird game of telephone just as going on forever. That's a really sweet how beautiful. I mean, fuck. I'm sure he loves you your daughter, but like no greater love than the sacrifice of self man for someone else. Let alone dad and stuff really. Fucking sweet. Yeah. How many kids are there in the family? Three. You're getting everything in the will. If you're not talked to me, I'll represent you. I won four times MPA. Yeah, he's big with NATO. They'll fuck. They'll do whatever you want. Well, absolutely. Actually, what would you like to drink? What kind of shot would you like to do? Your your call? Do whatever you're doing. Your natural instincts would burn Woodford bourbon. Oh, good girl. Yeah. Okay, we'll do. Do we have? Can we get two shots at Woodford if they have it to shots? And actually I want to give you a little gift. This is an official the route report shot glass. So I'm gonna give you this. You're gonna drink out of this and you get to keep that. All right. When I read your, when I read your Email, I wanted to bring that in for you. So we'll we'll continue on. But when they get the shots, you'll come up, we'll do it. Okay. Fair enough. What a hero? What'd you dad's name? Larry, Larry, Kotkin Larry, fuck you better. You Ashley. Yeah, sixty percent of the liver. But in all fairness, he did kind of like raise her, give her everything, probably not radically growing up. He was always probably eat your liver. It was like who? Yeah. Patrick villa galas. No, let me try that again. Patrick villa. Gus the oh sure because the double l. in Spagnolo is a y sound. Yeah, you're the coke guy. You went the coke earlier. Yeah, never forget a face. I guys, I'm Patrick and I'm tending the show with Kim. Whereas Kim, hi, Kim, she's a stone her like Kevin, she's unemployed, like Ralph. I've never heard it put quite that way. Now the perfect mix of both of us. She also broke up with me months ago, but she's still living with me. Oh, wow, no wonder you're doing all the coke. Dude, you've been funding Jedi mind trick by a stone or. She's moving out at the end of September, but she says she still. She still down to go to pound town after she leaves. This is the weirdest fucking relationship of the night or the best. So I guys, we're in a relationship that ended. She stayed in the place with you though, and she saying we can still bang around. That's not a problem after I'm gone. No, that's called my world. Marriage. Gonna leave. That's the only problem they say, never lied. Never leave. Now, I'm hoping that sexy cab can convince this bum to give up the balloon nut. You know the prison purse, the rusty sheriff's batch, take a stroll down the old dirt road, the p. my Brown eyed girl one more time. Before she leaves, I would be forever grateful. Also. I haven't seen clerks. I'm sorry, but I love tusk. The detective really stole the show. I think he means. Detective, Frank Garmon, or he means point. What are the other Canada doesn't have any serial killers. That's right. Thanks guys. Love everything. You do. Accept clerks, Patrick the Ega. You gotta see clerks, man. What are you waiting on? It's affordable now. You can see it for just a couple of bucks. It's you got time, but if you can only watch one black and white movie this year, make Schindler's. Sexy Cav Azru asking asking Cam to give up the balloon. Oh, yeah. If you broke up with them, why would you have her give an old van. But if you're living there rent-free, maybe east of dinky. So the second now go. My suggestion to keep the relationship alive is that anal is a two way street. So before you leave, make sure you bring Patrick to town tau air we go. Thank you sexy, Kevin. I. I'm not sure dum boom, boom. Thank you. I would have got your back, but you didn't see clerks. See clerks men. If you could take one lesson away from tonight, show it's see clerks. No, it's one lesson to take away. It's don't fuck in. Better came on a straight line. Travis matter Reno. Travis. Matt. Torino. Hey, Matt, Torino doing. I got your matter Reno. Right. Hey, guys. I'm here with my loving wife, amber, whereas amber say, hi, I'm Brian ember. My niece Brielle not a real name. Nice to meet you. Reels a real name. Yell is a brand of toilet tissue. It's not a name. Celso. Try new Brielle in three ply wipes. You clean new Brielle town in New Jersey as well. Brielle New Jersey. Is it? That's all right. That'll work and her husband. Stephen, there's a name has a name for Steven. It's a God given name Steven. Yeah, I've heard that one before. Today Stevens birthday, he I have birthdays listened to all your podcast every day on the way to and from work you guys work together, what kind of work do you do? Irradiation you give Animas. It'd be awful job, wouldn't it? That's what you think irrigation it is. That's what they call it. When you get an enemy, it's called irrigation. She does that see she does more than that. Really, it was what like like irrigate the earth and shit. Oh, sprinklers, I right on well, Gatien's a very fancy word for sprinklers. Yes. And for animus. It's called that is it? Is it nurses that of what's called? What is it called? The nurse. We're talking to you. That's what it's called. Right. When you give 'em it's called irrigation. What. I know what an enemy is, but isn't another name for irrigation. Oh my God. Why did I engage. That's not happening. It's lovely. It's a road route. Fuck. I was busy talking to her and you're doing a show stage you up to be my cabinets, Nason win Frank. I met a bad room for minutes to go. So don't be all cooking you from this guy. How do we have to fuck to drink in this place? Liberty g-gonna left. That's an island. I think you're right. I believe it's called Colo rectal here. Gatien that's the proper term for look at you. Barron anima that's we're naming. Now, circumcision. It's the first. It's the wife's first time hearing any of this show. I'm so star. Sorry about that. Travis. Stephen, I've heard a lot of happy birthday requests on the show. We've never heard this one. Could you please have peewee Herman sing, happy birthday. Stephen, since they both love going to the movie theater so much. Oh, a callback to his masturbation bust house? Yeah, I thought they really like going to the movies too. Okay. Here goes happy. To you, happy birthday to us, even her. There's. Man. Happy birthday to. There you go. Happy birthday. Stephen. Day there gang Ralph here. Have you heard any good books? Lately I have because I use audible. 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Speaking of Dr, Josh rouse the man who does the sights and sounds each week here on Hollywood. Babylon give him a hand lays gentleman. I got this Email from guy named Josh route, Josh Olson. Rather, he's Josh rouse. This is Josh Lawson. The other week, my wife, Jen, and I ended our honeymoon by catching the first half of your show. It was only the first half because we're worried we'd missed our flight. We knew we're cutting it close, but my mazing wife insisted we risk it knowing how much it would mean to me. I explained our situation to DJ rot, Josh rouse before the show started asking if we could buy some merch early and though the merge hadn't arrived yet. He and his crew pulled me aside when it did my only request is the crowd tonight. Please give a big round of applause to Josh and his crew for being some of the kindness most helpful people that we met in Los Angeles. Thank you, Josh. Thank you, sir. Representing us so well. Speaking of our friend, Josh, he has just completed his first feature film documentary. The subject matter is something that's near and dear to our hearts. He did a documentary about the late great, Michael parks, one of the great actors ever that we worked with Kevin worked with on. Of course, tons red sauce, and he was one of our favorites and Josh got very close with Michael while he was working on those films and he'd when after Michael passed, he said, some more people should know about Michael parks and his work, and he did a documentary, and this is this is the poster for we're here. It's called the long lonesome highway, the story of Michael parks and Kevin produced it, Josh directed it, and it's, it's now going to be submitted to the festival circuit for the movie festivals all over the place. -gratulations. Thank you very much. It's a, it's a great great subject matter for. Sure because we all love Mike, LA, LA. Yeah. And so look for that soon. When when are you? What's the story with it? You're going to submit the Sundance film festival, right? We just submitted to Sundance today. We're doing south by next week, and as soon as we get Quinton, where locked. That's great. Yeah, Quentin Tarantino is going to do an interview for this as well. So that's great news. All right. This comes from Emma Merrick, Ovid's from Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada peg, man speaking tusk and yoga's took place, although we shouted here in California. It's right so weird to shoot in California. They usually it's the other way. One of the only movies in history that doubled Los Angeles for Winnipeg just wanted to share a new tattoo. I got last week and show you how much I love Kevin, who enjoys it. Here's a new Kevin Smith tattoo, look at the shit. That's one of the best ones I've ever seen. That's really great. However, way too heavy way too heavy. Think of all the people you have fucked over who have tattoos of you on their body by losing all that way. Now their skin is ally. I'm sure all they have to do is just wait six months. No, no, never. Never. That's pretty fucking great. It's pretty great likeness. Photo, realistic, weird. You would imagine like my wife would have my face on her body, but no, not at all some fucking strangers. Everytime I try to put my face on our body. She's like, oh, no. Paul Quinn from Ontario Canada, speaking of your amazing physical transfer love Paul Quinn man, the mighty Quinn. Yeah, he, he said, I sent in this poster to usher in the new Jay and silent Bob for the twenty first century. Hope you like it read this on the show. My birthday is Friday. So this is for Paul's birthday. There's it's Jay and slender Bob and Jay, looking through a micro magnifying glass going, you'll lunchbox where's the rest of you? You're gonna have to explain that way in the next film somehow I did. I did have recent draft to the script of Jane sound. Bob reboot was the draft. I did what I had to take out all the fat, Joe right does it just doesn't make sense anymore. So I replaced him with a lot of like vegan jokes. Soon to be yoga jokes? Yeah, folks have been sending in these great stories about lyrics, repopulate songs that they've misheard for their entire lives until recently, and they're kind enough to to cop to it on our show, and it just makes me laugh so hard. This is a great one. This comes from a guy named Stephen King. Not that one. From Orlando basin. Could you imagine with. Do like I heard your podcast while I was writing about a dog who drives a haunted car through a hotel. Yes. Grads on the eight years. He says, been listening for four. Now we're the fuck you been Stephen King anyway, there's one leery I could never figure out. He always wondered why this particular banned from the seventies was always talking about a. An equal dispenser, you know, the, the artificial sweetener equal. He could never understand why they kept talking about the equal dispenser in their song. This was the song that he was confused about. The band I was carrying on my way where it son by the band, Kansas, and the actual Leary is nothing equals the splendor, but he heard it. Can we hear that one more time. He thought Kansas was literally singing about this. This is what he thought sub for some reason. For some reason, the wayward son had didn't want to gain weight. So it was using artificial sweetener and no wonder he was confused. This comes from Jeremy Parker. He said, hire a gummy member, Jeremy here. Again, recently within the news of Donald Trump being incapable of saying the word anonymous, did you catch that on the news? He was talking about the op Ed piece from the New York Times where one of his staff members allegedly wrote this op Ed piece in the times published it about how they were stepping in and sort of stepping in between Donald Trump's actions and the rest of the country for the benefit of the country. But the piece was anonymous, the word being anonymous. This is what our president said. Several times the latest active resistors is the op-ed published in the failing New York Times by an anonymous. Really an ominous gutless coward Egypt look. Nominees and nominees and nominees. And so Germany Parker thought it would go appropriately with this song. And now I'm in this. And now I'm in this. And now. Muniz. Then I think he's right. Doc, seven standing in names of small towns near them that are just fucked up and we, we don't really have a name for the segments. We just call it. Your town has a fucked up name. Now, this is a recap. This is a an update about a story. We Ridgely did about a small town in Missouri that had a fucked up name and it's back in the news because they're adding a newspaper to this small town has a lot of people nearby up in arms. So for a video about the story, let's throw it to our sister station in Missouri k. s. p. r. with our anchorwoman Lee Lee are you there? New newspaper is launching in Pulaski county comes on the heels of the areas, longtime paper that waynesville daily guide means shut down last week. Andrew have Rennick is live for us tonight with more on why there's some controversy surrounding the new paper before it even gets printed Andrew. Liam live tonight in your rain, which is actually a tourist attraction here off of I forty four known best for their fudge factory and other attractions here. Well, it's not a city. It's a destination, but the man that they call the mayor. Louis Keene is backing a new newspaper, but it's the name that keen shows for that newspaper and his background that has city leaders across the cross. The county here in plus county worried about their reputation, the Uranus examiner. No rain is curry is launching a new newspaper called the Uranus examiner. That's why would anyone be mad about it? Right. It's name. That's all good man. That's gonna save the newspaper industry right there or the state at the state for the state. What's that? Was newspapers called fourth estate, yes, for the state or the state man could be saved with clever fucking names like that. Uranus exam. I wanna be a reporter, Ralph garment, your interest examiner. I just want to be able to say that at a news conference. So the next thing Mr President, I have a question Ralph Garman Uranus examiner. Anonymous. What does that? What is what does that mean? Sir? To my question sir. Your ratings examiner does yell that over and over again after the you say, Uranus examiner that person generally bends over and spreads their cheeks. That's kind of interviewing you. Get out of that. People talking a lot of shit. That's right. Interviewing ace Ventura. Folks and this in all the time we love it is photos of stuff that's meant for kids. Boys and girls are supposed to enjoy these things, but they ended up to be inappropriate toys. Doc in. This comes from Edwin Morales from Houston, Texas. He says, my step niece at school was told to make a cut outdrawing of an animal, and she chose to make a Princess snake major quotations around the Princess snake. He said, here's Edwin morale is holding his step nieces, Princess snake. When we're talking about interro inappropriate things at when how about not walking around shirtless while you're going through your step nieces, personal things. That's a little creepy. I think it was fucking showing off a little bitty shirt on their Edwin. This next one comes from James Baru be from Edmonton. Alberta wonder if he's related to Craig Berube e one of my favorite Philadelphia Flyers back in the day. That's interesting to no one can tell on no football people in this room. No fucking fly. He was flyers, still flies taco flyers hockey. Got its hockey should know that. So one of those touchdown oriented, that'd be goals in hockey. Jay's borough be from Everton. Alberta says his wife. Chelsea was doing some shopping online for their little one and came across this inappropriate toy. I don't know if any of you have small children, but you know these squishy now is a very popular toyed. The squishy is it's made out of foam rubber basically, but they've all different kinds of shapes. They've got animals in food and fruits and pieces of cake and anything you can make you make it into a squishy, kind of one of those stress relief balls. They came across this one while looking for squished us for their kids. They found it up on Amazon and Canada. It's called the photo booth children's day gift baby kids, toys, gifts, squeeze healing, toy, collide collection, fresher stress, relievers, soft, silicone, bullshit. Man. That's a Princess snake. Can we get a closer look at this. Got a little smile on it. Let's go to side view. I just want to see the top. Yeah, there's a solidif-. The top there is. That that will spread a relieve your stress to be squeezed that enough folks familiar, man. I wonder where they got the idea how dare you. And lastly, this is Jim Agean accidentally sat on that toy. Accidentally. This comes from g late. This is an inappropriate toy. It's a game fun for the whole family. The game claims he ran across at his local toy store. It's called poop, the potato. What the fuck. Look at the kid, poop in the potato. You may not be familiar with the hilarious internet sensation that is poop the potato. Oh, I'm not. It's it's where of families take a potato and you stick it up your ass basically by holding it between your ass cheeks and your thighs, then you have to scamper across the room and then bend over and pretend to shit the potato into a buck. Look at the look on your face. I one morning. I mean, I didn't know this was a family party game while you stick potato in the crack of your ass and you'll hold your legs together and you just kind of slither across the floor, and then you bend over and you pretend to shit potato into a bucket when we were kids and going into the local high school, you know, the older kids would run initiations on the younger kids. Right? So as we were heading into Hudson, the one that we were all most scared about the initiation that we'd heard about, like it happens all the fucking time and you'd better run home from school because of the seniors catch you. They're going to put you through the initiation. The initiation was this. They pull your pants down, stick a pickle in your ass. Then you have to walk ten feet. And if the pickle falls out, you gotta take a bite. Try again. That's what this game would haunt me. Man. It would take me back to the worst parts of high school. Here's what I hate pickles Ralph. For good reason. Now what you love potatoes anymore. You ate them for like a month. I know I stopped liking him after day three. Here's a little video of some some folks playing poop, the Patou and the game. Oh my God, that looks fun. Good man. She's got a future potato poop. This one, you're not taking seriously enough. Coat. Wow. Wonder why all those women are there alone. All I know if I was playing that game. Anything like me really in the bathroom I over and I'd sit down, I'd play video games for an hour open up magazine. The other team would win open my legs. They poop around me, tired of the poop grade. Let's just cut the chase game where you just literally take shit on the floor and then they wait or something. Okay. That sounds amazing. Anyone could play. Who's got the heavy. New from Hasbro. Makers of Princess. And of course every week I just I have to admit, I'm confused by Japan more and more. And so this week is no different. When I asked the question always respectfully, what the fuck Japan. What? Fuck Japan. This week in what the fuck Japan comes from. Phil abundance is named Philip Bongo among do the Bunga verse, the governor at ease. Always, this is a Japanese restaurant that feels bad for its customers that come into dine solo. You ever eaten by yourself in a restaurant. I eat by myself nearly every day adventure grill. Don't pity me. I love it. I don't want my wife. I can go fuck off. My badge, I get shit done. Bring a laptop Ivo can do most people. I mean, I guess it used to be more of a sort of stigma than does now because everyone's got something on their phone or whatever is a problem barely in Japan. They think it's still a problem because this restaurant gives you some company, why your dining alone. It's a stuffed animal stuff done called a moon, which is based on a Swedish children's book that is like a friendly hippo and the whole cafes theme as you go there by yourself and you get to sit across the table from a stuffed animal. Here's a picture of a lady eating her lunch with a movement. Wait. Why is that? Like why is eating alone? Sadder than that? It's not. That's the worst thing that you could ever do. Look at this woman. She had to hide her face in her own picture this next picture because she was embarrassed. It'd be sitting. Show Joe from the viewpoint of the diner. The next picture that come on that can't be any worse than eating by yourself. Kinda door stopping. It is kind of better than looking over eating your shit and they looked up and and is dead piece of felt staring back at you. Like in the movies, Paddington bear is very funny and makes you a marmalade sandwich a fucking toy, but you know that people becoming over like, I'm sorry, is the seat taken and you're like, yes, by the hippo, yes. On the moon, the movement, Michael Morland finishes us off with this Email. He said, Ralph and Kevin, five years ago I met my beautiful wife, Jackie, and she introduced me to your podcast surprises me when a woman introduces a guy to where podcast seem like it's the natural order, but that's nice. During that time we've been through a few things together including her being laid off fucking. Tell me about it. Just when we were planning our wedding. My grandfather passed away four days before I waiting reception man and my wife has been diagnosed with cancer. Jesus Faulk during this time, we've stuck by each other and supported each other. I don't have any words to express how much I love her and what she means to me. I was wondering of Al Pacino could help me with that. We were having a debate one day over what song would be funnier to hear Al Pacino Pacino saying the song, cocaine by Eric Clapton won. Thanks for all the free funny, Michael Morland in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. He asked me to sing for his wife to cheer her up cocaine by Eric Clapton is done by Alpa chino. If you want to hang out. You gotta take around. If you wanna get down. On the fucking ground. Okay. She gets she gets high. She got smoking high cocaine. There we go. Usually the part of the show where we take a look at some people have passed away this week, but left behind bodies of workable enjoy for many years to come, but nobody really died. Is that right? Fucking life wins. So rare that that happens. I know chalk up one for life, right? So we're gonna move right into say with one of my favorites where we take bad acting and sometimes bad acting as bad. But sometimes it gets so bad. It goes all the way around to become exquisite acting. Do is. Wilson to the world of exquisite, taxing with Ralf gum and and Kevin Smith. This week, exquisite acting comes from v Gilbert is his name. It's from the movie euro trip from two thousand four. Dave Mandel buddy. Dave men's l. along with Alec Berg, Jeff Schaffer it is a great film, but this moment it always caught my attention as well. It's the great Vinnie Jones is the moment where the boys are traveling across the UK and they go into that little pub where the Manchester United fan club has gathered and they realized there in the wrong place at the wrong time. Then they have to sort of sing their way out of it. We're Vinnie Jones asks them to sing the Man United fan song, and they don't know the end up singing morning train by Sheena Easton, which is not the song at all. But when Vinnie's demanding that they sing, it is moment of exquisite acting. We're the Manchester United fan club from Ohio. If you mentioned that, you know, I suppose, sing the mentioned. You know, at some. Excuse me. I'm sorry. I'm not much of a single. I'm sorry. I'm not much of. Oh, makes me laugh every you gave it up, and then we also take a look at the stakes Boehner's bloopers blunders, things that happened in movies that someone should have caught at some point during the production process, but they don't and it slips through to us the audience and we call these things shit that should not be. His. Shit. Shit that should not be comes from Matt king. New. Save that for prison sailor. Got to do something new. Met king. It's from the classic film, the dark Knight never seen it. Oh, come on. And you would think there's nothing wrong in this this no mistakes in this film. It's one of those movies that's a practically perfect. Well, Matt pointed out this scene that I never really noticed before, but it is makes no God damn sense. Whatever. It absolutely is shit that should not be. It's the memorial Harvey dent. We just recently had his face burnt off and become to face is strapped to a hospital bed. When a visitor comes into his room and the way they handle it is truly shit that should not be. The nurse. Wait, what. Looking at the nurse. Spine until the bats. Really. We can. We put a still store of that of, yeah, he really bad moment at that moment. Everything looks fine to Harvey. There's no, there's no, there's no indicator maybe that the joker is staring at him in the face. Oh, thank God, the nurses to she's a lovely young lady with that. What what? I saw those red lips done on me. She's an evil maniac. The joker, why you son good if seen that coming? Oh my God, he's got a face, but to is. He cares about it with the mask comes off. Don't talk with me. I just got sued by Hollywood. Did he cares about that? Because the second lighter. Due job out of your manager bag. Going down there really only Schick got a few more drinks plays. What is this? You gave me, what is this? What is Jack Daniels. So much better. And his drinking problem. Got worse. I like happy juice. All right, more liver, you can lend me I might need a one time thing. You can't give liver again after that. You can't give any Eddie Oregon's unless it's to your child. Oh, but it's all right. The risk it for your kid. Let your kid pull themselves up by their boot straps. Okay. Teach them self reliance. Don't say, oh, here's fucking Oregon's willy nilly. Let them get their own organs. All right. Every week we get together and take a look at all the entertainment news. With a segment, we call the HBO headlines. Had. Thank you neighbor. I call my waiter enabler. Dancing with the stars as announced their season, twenty seven cast this week. There's been twenty seven seasons with the star. What do they do to per year couple of year. Once again, they they defy the name of their show by casting these people that they call stars, here's the list. Would you ever go on it? Would I fucking heartbeat really? Yes. Because I am. I'm woefully unemployed and I could use whatever. Whatever it tension they would shine. My way I would gladly take, doesn't want. They were like, do they ask would be sadder than me saying, yes, what if what? If they asked and they're like, hey, man, we want you to dance. What is it starts with the start. We wanted to dance. We gotta spin off spin off from desert with the store. Okay. It's called dancing with the dick in your mouth. If you dance, the dick falls out, you lose. So why are you doing. Sure is what how does it fall that while I'm all out your mouth man, the dance. How would that work logistic. Well, it takes a really good dancer here. Yes. If it was dancing with the dick in my mouth, I might have to beg off. I think I might. I would imagine more people would watch that dancing with the stars. You would be wrong because the numbers on this show are ridiculous. It's invariably one of the top top shows up the week every time it's on real popular dancing with the dick in your mouth would big because that requires real skill. Good point, Kevin, here are your list. See if you recognize almost any of these people who are stars that will be dancing and season twenty-seven. Joe, a my maple Joa Mabel will be dancing. He's better known as grocery store Joe from the bachelorette franchise. Oh, I've never watched television. I do watch it with my wife, but we watch number grocery store Joe's from Chicago, and he's got his own grocery store there. And he says, yeah, I don't. I looking for love your. I don't have problems. You know, I'm I'm a pretty dedicated gay. I got a place back in Chicago, let a produce and stuff, and I gotta deal with better just to watch like that dance. Yes. Yes. Harry Potter actress Ivana Lynch, which ones that I have no idea. Oh, is that Luna? Love? Good. Oh, Luna, love. I would watch her dance. I like her in that movie and hope she gets her shifts covered and she's able to do it. Japan has many than you who is in the front row. Harvey danger don't don't say bad things about him. She's got more money. She does probably have more money that I was probably she was one of them a couple of, yeah, she gets that residual get some of that magic money disappears when you go to shit. Yeah. Get spending. Nikki Glaser comedian. Nikki Glaser is going to be on. Yeah. Yes, I am not. But I'll say yes. I know our former NFL player, DeMarcus ware. The first name I recognize on the list who who claps for the Cowboys. Oh, you're a large man. You can do whatever you want. You might have fucking place for the Cowboys for all. I know. Go eagles. Oh, here we go. Now we're talking John Schneider from the dukes motherfucking hazard. Oh, just the good. Don't leave me hanging, don't stop there. Unknown. Bannon drubel with the loans. He needs the money to rate, and then the curve. He needs the money to pay his ex wife. That's why he's doing the show. He went to jail for Elmo. Any payments laid it? God ball saw just will not let up on those boys actor one, Pablo debase is also on the list is the got no idea. Okay. I know this next do though only because I have an eight year old is name is Milo Mannheim. He's from the Disney channel and he was the star of zombies. The Disney. Talented kid. He's the, he's the son of Cameron, Manheim for Boston legal. He sings dances stuff. I think he's it's an unfair advantage. He's talented. Well, it's him vs DeMarcus ware from the Cowboys. That's not going to be fair fight. Model, Alexis Ren, oh, I loved her. Remember she fought. She had. She was in love with Darth Vader. She Kylo raw. Sorry. I don't know Alexis Ren then Paralympic adaptive skier, Daniel instead that seems like a disadvantage. The whole being able to use your legs part? Yeah, but they'll find a way Olympic gymnast Mary Lou Retton. Oh, I haven't seen her in a while. She's still around. Probably got more money than you. Really hurt bad. Carrying that around two in the morning or wake up fucking jerk off. Book that you're going to go to the internet and be like, Lena love, good work. Just the price, my passionate. He was. He was defending her true love goods, brother, facts of life, actress, Nancy, mckeon. Await Joe, Joe from facts of life. Wow, man. She didn't even go back for like the reunion though. She was lesbian. She was okay. All right. Joe's out there in the garage work on her. Motorcycle inter fucking coveralls with the fucking vibrator jammed inside to she was waiting for prince charming to come along. All right, whatever. Then pop star, Tina, Tina shea Tanaka. She tonight shea. Tonight or got to. I don't know her, but I'm sure she's lovely and wonderful. All right. So you know what? If they threw on the other three facts, the life kids, I'm watching watch it if they all Houdini, no peace. Dance off against each other and stuff. For the drunk nurse, everybody, drunk nurse. Every once in a while you gotta give them their props, I spoke it back that bugging sing along actually good. Do you take the good take the bad? You take them both and they have the facts that live. There's a time you gotta grown show going. Now, you know about the facts of live the facts, blah, where the world. Do believe. Your dreams. The finding out the facts alive role about you. That shows you the processes of the human brain. What was the last time that those words ever came out? Man, I've watched it episode of that and twenty five years, but that's MAC. Jingle is a good jingles. True. That's a theme song. You had your moments now Shushi we all lauded you went well. Did it be. You should. Hey, there babble heads. Thanks so much for listening to Hollywood Babylon, if your geek which most of us are and you like podcasts. Well, you probably do while she wouldn't be here. Then you are going to love wolverine the long night wolverine the long night is Marvel's first scripted podcast. It's out now for free online. And in all your podcast apps, the script for wolverine the long night was written by comic book, author, Benjamin Percy. The podcast was directed by Brendan Baker from the podcast love and radio, too story about two agents investigating a string of murders in Alaska, and their primary suspect is a drifter named Logan. The podcast stars, Richard Armitage as wolverine, and also special appearances from people like Bob Balabagn. Scott adds it from thirty rock and comedian, Chris gathered, you will love this. If you are a geek like Kevin and I are and you like podcast, you should listen to wolverine the long night for free in apple podcast, Stitcher Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts or. Or visit wolverine podcast dot com for more info. Julie Chen this week stepped up in a big way to support her man. Her man is less moon viz. He's the former head of CBS who lost his job because of allegations of sexual misconduct by a bunch of women. She's still working on the network which makes things awkward for her. He's married to somebody that works on the network. Okay. Leslie moon biz head of CBS is married to a woman named Julie Chen who has two shows on CBS. She's one of the anchors of show called the talk, which is sort of their version of the view with with Darlene from from from Roseanne and Sharon Osbourne as well. And she also is the host of big brother. She's the big brother host, Julie Chen. Not familiar with either of those shows? No, that's fair enough. But she always going by Julie Chen her entire career, but now on as varied to less moon is the head of the of the network? Yes. Okay. So now he's out of a job. Yes, she is still working on the network which puts her in an awkward position as you can imagine. So on Thursday, she was doing the big brother show and she signed off for the first time ever in her history. I'm Julie, Chen moon viz for big brother, STAN. Man, what everyone is saying it's on. Yeah, that's that's. He's doubling down on support for less moon moon vez, which I think is crazy. Because if I fart in a supermarket, my wife, pretend she doesn't know who I am. Like why cannot get one of these wives? She he's faced with trying to fuck his doctor on an examination table and his wife's like, Yep, it's good with me. I'm whatever he says goes. That's one of the charges. Oh, yeah. Read the story. It's nuts. He went into first time meeting with his doctor UCLA according to the doctor, and I believe doctors to a doctor, yes. Like not even an employee nurse, not us the standard story of like I was working there in this. There's those two. There's those two, but this this was the story that really won me over. He went to UCLA medical center to meet with the doctor for the first time, and he tried to have sex with her during their appointment and she pushed him off. And so he finished off by himself during the examination, and the doctor is like fail. Wasn't a course taking. It was just good. Yeah. So there's a lot of bad stuff going on. And now Julie Chen is claiming him. Now that's her man. There it as they go. This made me sad living Newton. John is battling cancer. For the third time she had breast cancer nineteen Ninety-two wait a second. That's right. She's battled that before this third. So maybe show bounce back. Yeah, fuck it. Yeah, really agree. Especially when it goes after a Libyan new job, right? That's why feel nice person. She's our sandy a perfect lane. Joel. Yeah. Until she, you know, hoarded up at the end. That's when she understood that. Never understood it. The best part was tell me about it stood that cigarette out whether for their foot, like Boeing first time, the whole movie. I just didn't understand as a kid like he's like, all right now I'm gonna put on a sweater and I'm gonna be like gift of the Maja. Right? He's like, I'm going to be more like ERC right then she comes out and she's like, I'm gonna be like girl. You look at me, right? And then all of a sudden he throws the sweater off and he's like, we're both sluts and I didn't understand as a kid. I was like, what did he give up? Nothing right. When slut is good goes, you do the guy who's glady is moving out. I might add and xanadu to, let's not forget Santos. She was a muse. Yeah. Yeah. She's a bunch of stuff nineteen ninety two. And then in two thousand thirteen, she also battled breast cancer. And now this time the growth is in her back and she says, I believe I will win over it. She said, very, very positive attitude. She's treating it naturally as well as with radiation treatments, chief for the pain. She says she's taking cannabis oil which is made from marijuana that her husband grows here in California apparently used to grow. So I just I think she's just a sweet charming lady and she had to pretend that John Travolta was interested in women when she was working with them, and she's a really good actors. People forget what a good actress. She is like, oh, you're so heterosexual. Danny. Remember that in Greece that we all bought it. She's good, my love and she's good me some Lovin. What. Remember that when they did the, I was out take it, never made it to actual film, but you can find it on YouTube. Gives the title Greece a whole new made. It does right. Speaking of stars, we know and love. You know, Don wells who played Marianne on Gilligan's island is one of America's sweethearts here she is. Here's she is today versus how she looked in the sixties when she was stranded on the island. When I lived in the Valley, I lived near her really. She's got like these amazing. I mean, I don't think this gives anything away. I'm not allowed. I'm not. I don't want to give away where she lives because you lost that house. Oh yeah. She had an amazing like hedge couple hedges full of roses. Yes, that she treated like you'd see her out there working on the roses shit and be like, oh my God, that's fucking you were on that island. Thank God. You got off, you know, very sweet lady. She is very sweet lady and she lost everything in the two thousand eight financial crisis. She made some bad investments and lost your home and lost all. And so she's had a bad couple years. She also had two major surgeries once he was in the hospital for a prolonged period of time, then she broke her knee in a fall was also hospital. She is now seventy nine years. So fall as a big, big deal. Now you're applauding for a broken Nacer or plotting seventy nine seventy nine. All right. I don't go who's just trying to get clarification. So her plan was because she lost her money was to move into an assisted living facility that caters to people in the motion, pictures and television. They have sometimes these old age homes worked in the business, but they would not accept her because she has two hundred thousand dollars in medical debt that she still hasn't been able to pay off. She has no family, no kids, no husband. She was by herself with really nowhere to live. And so one of her friends against her wishes actually without her knowing started one of those go fund me pages for her and put a call out to all the Gilligan's island fans out there. If you ever enjoyed the show if she ever gave you any pleasure, could you give a little something? The original goal was one hundred eighty thousand. Dollars to try to relieve some of her dead. As of today. They have raised one hundred ninety thousand four hundred twenty five dollars. So this week she is moving into that assisted living facility, and she will be taking care of thanks to her fans, which is awesome because there's, here's the thing about Gilligan's island and many shows in the sixties like that. They was before, like the Screen Actors Guild had much cloud and they really rework their contract. So those people would do those shows and they'd get paid for two reruns. It would be the main, the main show. And then when they ran it twice, you get paid and then that was it. So everybody on Gilligan's island and those kind of shows never got paid another dime for those shows. That's because they didn't have to pay all the rights on the. So a lot of people gave you pleasure for a lot of years when you were a kid after school, watching television never made another dime off those shows. So for people like her for fancy step up and say, yeah, we'll throw a little money your way the do it enough numbers that can pay off a massive debt like that. It really is a heart warming story. It is. And we were just in the beginning talking about how cold Hollywood could be when they go after a middle. Podcasters like that. But this story about Hollywood doing it right man for it's not money. That's the difference. It's not Hollywood. It's the people who enjoy the stuff that Hollywood makes. Those are the people with the heart. Right. Oh, you're right. Hollywood is still a horrible. That's right. Yes. Let's not ever forget that. In music news. Do you remember? John Lennon guy was in the Beatles remember that? Yeah. In nineteen sixty nine. He did a on a bed in with his then wife Yoko Ono and it was a protest against the Vietnam war was very famous. They laid in bed and they invited reporters to come to interview them, but they wouldn't get out of bed because they were protesting and peaceful way what was going on the Vietnam war. Here's a photo of them in bed together at a hotel said, hairpiece sped piece, and they just laid there and interviewed about their stand against the Vietnam war in New York City. Well, in New York this week, another bed into place with Yoko Ono yet. Again, it was in front of the city hall. It was a replica of that event, and here is Yoko in bed this time with Ringo. And for some reason, Jeff bridges also showed up and they're, they are this time instead of protesting the Vietnam war. They're protesting in favor of funding for the New York City public schools, and they're trying to raise money for the New York City public. Put that back up. Yeah. That rug really ties the room together, man. Yeah, it's it's, I would. I would so much rather go to bed with Jeff, Jeff bridges any of those two or Jeff Daniels Jeff Daniels to that'd be a great three-way, Jeff bridges, Jeff sandwich. That's right. Jeff Goldblum on the side. He's watching and cooking it up in the Coombe. Right? Why do you have to ruin it was so romantic until you got it's okay to getting fucked by to Jeff's but threes too much. Yes, Jeff, too far, maybe my new book and I hope you'll all pick it up. And I'm sorry, I have to do this to you, but I got Justin Bieber news. I can't help. Nobody. I'll tell you why. God damn right. People have started taking the note in their own direction like the way like Whitney Houston would sing the national anthem and run. Yeah, crazy with it and stuff. Some people are not singing on q. like little. There's some like little God. People really fucking going ape shit. Artists can interpret their own. I like that. It's nice. I don't know what the report tonight. I really don't because this much we know Justin Bieber and Haley Baldwin did get their marriage license today. We know that for sure. She's related to the Baldwin's how she once again is the daughter of I wanna say, Hillier, Steven, Steven, Steven, the religious guy. That's where they met. Actually, they went to the same church that he'll song church as a first time they. The hill song chaired. Yeah, we should go a lot of famous people go there. No one knows. You fucking kidding me. Fight club. You have to know where it is an order to show one of them phantom trucker songs like nobody knows just. Phantom truckers song Kevin? Yes, I would like to would you go if I could get us a less invite, you wouldn't be going to a famous persons church in a fucking heart right one that would be if it's anything like. At one point though, like now extend greeting, do you know piece creating everybody? We get chance to shake, Justin Bieber saying be with you just we totally stink. Palm. Pretzel. Anyway, the Haley baller Justin Bieber got their license at a New York City marriage license at a courthouse yesterday, that's far as far as we know that happened for sure. Well, it's not the only thing we know for sure. This also happened. This is my favorite part of the whole story. Once inside I'm going to read it verbatim because it's fucking magic. Once inside they reportedly headed through for the marriage bureau to obtain a license where Bieber was reportedly seen crying and telling his fiancee, I can't wait to marry you baby as he cried in the hallway. Stop it, don't you dare you know, young love, man, like you know, young bench, love. You didn't cry when you're getting married, you cried at my wedding, but I didn't cry when I got the license. It's like. It's like. Did did you did you paint your house when you paid your mortgage? No things come in order. You gotta do things. I agree. That's the paperwork, you say, oh, this is great. We're on our way. Paying me. I mean, I'm a little relieved to know he's got a human emotion inside of him. So that was, here's where things off the track now, because we've been here reports all day long that they got married today, and now the Baldwin families saying that didn't happen. They didn't get married today. So we're not really sure what the report, but we do know that the marriage is imminent is should happen any moment. I hope they do get married because then they can finally have sex. That's true. Yes. And move to Canada, which is more important to them headed into the marriage into the courtroom. I honestly wouldn't recognize him if he if I list that doesn't look like Justin Bieber to me, this is why you need to be rich fellows because then you can look like that and still pull a girl that looks like that. Honestly, she looks more like Justin Bieber than he actually true. He's looking more like Jason mewes these days man. As of the recording of this particular podcast, our last Hollywood babble on show he or may or may not be married, which really would be a great way to go out and we're gonna do a last Hollywood Babylon show for him to be happily married and go off in the sunset. There'd be some sort of ironic irony there or good for. You look at it? Yeah, really nominal nominal cabinet are huge. Of course every week we love to take a look at the geek news. Welcome camper. Camping wrapping, Kim. Direct one document once. What the fuck with the day job phone with Sunday goes cube. Got, no, I got no time for those two losers on stage anymore from fater man. I'm sorry what happens wrong? Fater wrong. Fade fader or fater over there. Use the force. Hey, great. Lead in speaking Star Wars. Do you remember what is known now as the style be Star Wars poster for the original release of Star Wars? What is now known as a new hope? Yeah, the bee's style, yes. Poster? Yes. Can you describe it drawing. Good. Take a look on it way more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's known as the the b. poster. That was the second poster that was painted for the release of original Star Wars. It was a redo of a poster that Lucas didn't like when the original version and he gave it to two brothers named Tim and Greg hill Brandt and what they did was in thirty six hours. They turned it around and gave him a new posters like, yeah, love that one to use that in the UK release and they moved forward with it and that poster has become legendary and very popular among Star Wars fans. Well, Tim is now gone, but Greg is now and I want to get this right? He is seventy nine years old. Now, I think forty one years later since he painted that picture, he has now gone back to that image and he's done the for the first time ever repainted an original version of that image yet again, and he's trying to sell it at auction for the low low price. Let's look at it first and see what what you think this is. This is his new version of that. It's beautiful. It is going up for auction and they're asking one million dollars for the I mean as beautiful, but it's not the original. That's what I. I don't think that. How can you ask that kind of money if it's not the actual type it got there because he's a master and let's be on us at that age. You probably won't be painting that many more rigid artists, and it's the only second time that image has ever been created, but that seems like a lot. And it's still, even though it's only the second time the images ever been created. That means that it's a counterfeit original image. So I mean, it's beautiful banning. I wouldn't start at one million, but what do I know? Fucked me in the mouth, but I would have started at like, fifty grand. Let people take it up there or you can just say, fuck that old man not give them anything for it is beautiful piece. It was Star Wars fan. I think it's still be funnier to say, fuck that old man of all the stores, posters, I would not want to own that one poster you'd want. Yeah, definitely. An empire poster. But really, I am a, I'm a fan of the. Original posted. It was late in the run. That's sort of looked like it was like torn up around the edges. Look like an old movie matinee kind of poster with the land speed or in the front and sort of the action. Luke one. I was always a fan of that. I remember that one. Yeah. Speaking, just got a revenge of the jet. I framed one that I'd had for like fifteen years sold mine years ago. You had father worked in the movie industry in Philadelphia, and he worked for Paramount Pictures for the majority of my life. So he would bring home one sheets, the posters, and press kits and soundtrack albums at all at all kinds of stuff. So lucky it was awesome to have that as as just coming into the house regularly, but it's not the question answer yet, sir. Thank you so much. So he so he would. He had friends national screen services, and those were the people who distribute all the advertising material for all of all the movie, all the movies. So if he knew something was coming, sort of kid oriented, he would grab me stuff and bring it home. So I got like bond posters. And then when the Star Wars thing came out, he knew I was into it. So he brought me the advance revenge of the Djeddai poster. So I got one of the originals and I held onto it for years and I sold it. Like when I got out here early on when I was struggling actor, needed the cash. And now I always think I wonder what would that go for if I held onto it. The others now they're all gone. I told everything. Yeah, I sold everything. You cutting my ass. Which is really, it's a whole nother story. What point did you just decide to keep only Batman stuff. That was before even I moved out here even before I moved out here you, that's when you started the. Yeah, I- movie posters and some other small member, but mostly Batman was like my thing for when I was even in philadel- if you've never seen seen the stuff on the Roth report menu, see Ralph's fucking Batman room. It's stunning. Now Josh rouse has some free time. Now he's done with this movie. We're going to go into my collection. We're going to shoot a long video that's really showcase. So we will before I had to sell that too because I'm out of work. So. Speaking out of work, Henry Cavill looking for a new job apparently. And that's what they're saying this week. Yeah, this is a weird story, very weird. I, they reported that he's out superman was no more. He's going to hang up the Cape, but they're gonna find a new superman. They're not gonna make a superman movie. The story claims they're going to focus on supergirl and everything else is going to go by the wayside and super character of superman is going to be shelved. Yeah, what the idea was they were hoping it seems like based on the stories I read, there were hoping to enlist Henry Cavill in this kind of like, hey, man, be superman when we need you like pop up and Zam is supposed to cameo inches guest star, superman. Yeah, and all the DC movies going forward, but with no superman movie on the near horizon. Right. And talked to that. That's what they say. Sounds like negotiations. Right? Right. He feels underpaid for the work that he already did. And now I think he wants significant. Wants a starring vehicle again, he wants super manage deal to basically, I mean, sure. But at the same time, like I don't know. It's like I, I would have taken the superman for ten minutes every other year or something like that, like them offering the, hey, just come and being all the movies, superman, we'll get around to another man of steel, but I guess talks broke down or did they? I don't know, because then this real weird video posted by Henry Cavill. Did you see the thing he put up on instrument, he and response to all the stories put up a video of himself with no spoken words whatsoever. Well, it's easier just to show it to this cowboy response to that story. Is the most terrifying thing I've ever seen. My God that was unnerve ING, and I'm pretty sure he was masturbating under the frame. Right. How weird was that buck man? That's like goodbye. Buffalo Bill shit right there. That was so strange and no one knows what it means. He won't comment on it. So it's either a fuck you to warriors DC or Tim saying, I'm still in the picture here. I am. Here's a little mini me where it's Warner Brothers sitting there watching this going. Yeah, no, he's he's definitely out. He's he's insane. Oh, we may have lost the superman, but we gained a lowest lane this week. And if you saw the casting or not, but Lisbeth Teluk is her name. She's our new Lois lane. She will be lowest lane along with Tyler, heck Lynn in the big three. Crossover. I know I'm very biased because I've worked on super on. I love the show, but I like their superman so much. I like grays done a really great job. I like to pick some of my like his performance ever meet him at all. I'm trying to think. No, he wasn't there when I came onto that radio show when I do radio back in the eighties and. He came on to promote that, and he was such a sweet guy. We had such a good time hanging out. He's really teen wolf. Zemo and then this thing, but he was just he's great. He's great superman, and they've been looking cast lowest lane opposite him to bring her into the crossover. And they finally found Elizabeth Tila who was the female lead on grim on NBC. And if you ever watched that for seasons, news, love that show here she is. And it's funny when you look at her. There's a, there's a little Margot Kidder vibe about here when you think about it could see her calling somebody a farm boy. Yeah, absolutely. Read this list of lowest lines. I think that's interesting. I was impressed to. They said she joins a long list of actresses who have played Lois lane here they are Margot. Kidder, we all know that one, Noel Neill all the original from the the black and white. The originally was the second one with yours. Refills coats was the first to lowest. Fills coach was the first season's lowest, and then they will know Neil came in. Okay. So there's three Teri. Hatcher of course, course atoms. Oh, yeah. Tried to forget that you can't. Kate Bosworth again, tried to forget, but I like that's right, man. Erica Durant is my favorite Lois. I know it's not a popular from smallville. Playing on the show. Super girl. Yep. And then the animated lowest is Megan FOX, Houma Thurman, waiting, Megan FOX, did it? Does she Thurman did it once? Yes, they've all voiced lowest at one point or another in DC animated films. Mandy Moore and Stana county. Right? Donna Caddick from the thing that Nathan Fillion castle. Dana Delany is my, of course, Margot Kidder is, is the one I I grew up with, but I love Anna Delaney's performance in the animated series that will always superman in that. Right, Tim Daly. Yeah, that was a really good series and her performance. That's what I, when I read comics, that's who I hear when I read lowest. So there's a lot of lowest. And now we got a new one, which is awesome. 'cause I need someone to jerk off to. Speaking jerk enough Kate Beck and sale was in the news this week. Did you read this? I had no idea. This was a thing. Begging sale was involved and signed on to a wonder, woman movie back in the nineties. Did you know this? Oh yes. They asked her. She's doing a new film called farming and she was doing press for it. And she was asked during this interview this week. Is it true that one woman you were to play one one moment rather you were to play wonder, woman said, yes, there was a period of time a long time ago when Joel silver was involved with a wonder woman film, and I was signed to do wonder one, but it never worked out there film worked out beautifully. That was a wonderful film that gal Gadot did. Do you regret not having a chance to play that character the reporter asked? You said, no, it would have been a terrible movie based on the script that I read. Oh, I guess we all the bullets, but in honest and say, I would have been a great wonder woman. She would have been great in those underworld movies. She's, she's a kid. She's been in all night. Ninety eight of them. So. What we're talking about, Batman, no one knows who's going to play superman. No one knows who's gonna play Batman next either. Because the the other guy, he's got his own issues right now, but he's dealing with. But the director, Matt Reeves is doing his research. He was recently seen and an exhibit in Hollywood right there at Highland an- Hollywood. There is a museum called the Hollywood museum. And currently their main exhibit is a nineteen sixty six Batman exhibit. Oh, and Matt Reeves, posted a bunch of pictures on social media himself, looking at all the stuff at the Batman exhibited at this. At this at this museum. Here he is. He posted that Syria says the Batman sixty six retrospective, and it has a ton of stuff props original costumes. And well, that's thing. The batmobiles right there, including this, which I think this is one of the few almost complete Adam west Batman, costume still available. And that's. Showing it as well. So. He's doing his research. Nothing else. Reboot, reboot about man. Six. I wonder like, will they keep talking about like this? He's doing an older, Batman, maybe maybe he's doing that Iran, I can't imagine that that's to light. That's too light for they wouldn't do it necessarily like that. But maybe he's like, I'm gonna go for the look of that era. Maybe maybe just doing due diligence or maybe just wanted to see this stuff. You know, he turns it his first draft, they say, the shooting rather for the movie this month. He did the planet of the apes movies. Yeah, good, talented guy. Yeah. Speaking of that in west, my late friend, Adam west this week, if you if you're listening to this show was posted later on this week, and you have to be anywhere in the Pacific northwest at in Walla Walla, Washington, the hometown about him west last year. For the first time they did Adam west day in his hometown where they brought out all his friends and his family, and we had a celebration on his birthday which is September nineteenth and the town. They're really went out of their way to sell. Not only him from Batman or family guy, but as a as a friend and as a father and a husband. And so they're doing it again this year. And fortunately I can't be there, but it is September nineteenth in Walla Walla, Washington. I wanted to leave the details to everybody. If you're up there, you can go to Adam west day dot com. If you're in the area stop by, it's a lot of fun. They're going to have the batmobile there in the bad copter and his wife. Is going to be there and the family's going to be there. And it's just a great people, and it was a great event last year. So if you if you're in the area, it's a good all washing Walla, Washington our talking about man. One last story. Be still my beating penis this. If this is true, there's a guy named Graham Bensinger new Graham Bensinger was until the story, but he's a reporter for ESPN or maybe it's NBC anyway, he's got his own. Talk show fucking guys. Gotta talk show. I can't get a talk show Graham anchors. Gotta talk. Is it a podcast if so he should expect to hear from the Hollywood show or sunny minutes legit TV show, and it's called in-depth with Graham Benza, Gary, and his guest this week was Jon Hamm. John him like sports. He does. And this guy apparently is a sports guy, and that's why he was on. But he took a little detour during the conversation and said, hey, let's say here about you being potentially thought of as the next actor to play, Batman. I've been saying that for fucking years. Everybody has. Why does no one listen to us. Jon Hamm has said, he's heard it from all of us, but never any of the people who are actually making the movies. It was an interesting piece of conversation. Here's a little piece of videotape. Jon Hamm. Talking about playing Batman. You're a movies, but what's this? I hear that they're, we rumors that you're interested in Batman, had rivers about that since probably since season one a madman. I, I've never. I've never had a conversation with anybody about it literally, and I've sat in the rooms with all these guys never been offered anything. I think the internet wants what it wants. We control the internet. It depends on what script but stories. I'm a huge comic book fan always have been. I read comic book since I was. You know, nine or younger. And I'm pretty knowledgeable about a lot of them and I and I like John Johndroe and I like it when they're done well. I saw Black Panther this great. Friend of mine is the show runner on legion, which I just watched last night. It's great. So there's a lot of there's a lot of interesting things out there, but it depends on the story. You know all the story, but could you see playing a germ. I mean, sure. Probably fit the sued. I have to have to work out a lot since I don't love, but you know, it's sure there's. Yes. But hey, yeah, that bad. He's God. Damn. He's Bruce Wayne. Look at them sitting there talking. He looks like fucking Bruce Wayne, put a mask on him, send him out into the night to beat up some chain snatch and then send them to my house. I've got love Jon Hamm, dude, I, I loved his performance of madman fascinated by that show, and I got to work with them because we were at AMC. So I'd see him at AMC fence all the time. And he I don't. He's always very nice to me and to me, but I think I really unnerved him one day because I was sitting there like talking to him at Sundance van and I was like, oh my God. I just rewatch fucking madman man. This one episode and I wanted to deep detail. I was like, that shit was genius dude, and he goes, thanks and I was like, no, no, no, man. And then I did another five minutes. Thank you walked away. So. I did. I fanned out on went back and told my wife. I was like, oh my God. I think I erected Jon Hamm and she's like, well, you're tape me, so I can understand that. But I saw another event and he was like Super Bowl me one time he came over and spoke to to me, I saw him at somebody. I ain't gonna bother and he came over and it was okay, man. What are you up to? Nice guy. Fucking super nice guy and Batman. Yeah. Look literally look like that. Have you can make a bunch of movies with that guy. That man movies. Yes. Yeah, great actor too. Yeah. These got a new movie coming out called one night at the El royale or something. It's that one. Yeah. Bad times at the royale which is like my fucking kind of movies got Jeff bridges in it. Are they Yoko Ono and Ringo. Sure the Tien, but it looks awesome. So report to it. This report to it. All right. Speaking of actors that we love before we go home, we got one more actor to talk about name is Liam Niessen. But. Vehicles. MRs in pain is right. Liam Niessen Irish actor, Liam, Nathan legendarily has one of the biggest penises in Hollywood and you folks are kind enough every week to go to Niessen cock dot com. 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The United States district court for the northern district of Illinois eastern division is housed in the federal building in Chicago's loop. It's plain black steel and glass, stretching thirty stories into the sky on the twenty third floor hundreds of prospective jurors sit in silence as a judge address the room. It's jury selection time for the Chicago eight and things are not going well for the defense. Those accused are charged with conspiring to cross state lines to inside a riot. With teaching the making of incendiary devices with committing acts to impede law enforcement officers in their lawful duties objection is it possible to recite that charges in a less, dramatic fashion. Your honour sounds like Orson Welles reading the declaration of independence overruled may I proceed Mr. consular lead defense attorney William consular sits down. Dejected. Yes. Your honor? Now where were we MS Peterson? What is your current marital status? I'm married. Your honor concerns to his cO, cancel Leonard wine glass. Now, he's ignoring all our questions on purpose. He is judge Julius Hoffman. He's a seventy four year old Republican any prides himself on quick and efficient jury selection, but consular wants these jurors to answer real questions like do you have any hostile feelings towards persons whose lifestyle differ considerably from your own, do, you know, who Jefferson airplane country, Joe, and the fish, Phil oaks or the fogs are do you consider marijuana habit forming in other words, how likely are you to be biased against the eight counterculture radicals about to go on trial? But the judge is in having it normally for such a high profile case the court would spend several. As carefully selecting twelve. Jurors and two alternates next your age twenty one year on thank you. That'll be all judge Hoffman gets the job done in one day. You're dismissed. When it's over defense co counsel. Leonard wine glass stares at the jury in disbelief ten women two men mostly middle aged Jesus Christ. Typically, Bill consular has a lot more faith in the system than his clients. Do he voted for democrat Hubert Humphrey, a few months ago in the contentious nine hundred sixty eight presidential election when he walks into a courtroom he believes in the blindfolded lady with the scales? But now consular's faith is getting a serious test and the trial hasn't even started. He glances over his client terms to wine glass, and drops his voice down south. They have term for a judge like this. What's that? Judge. American history tellers sponsored by the audiobook edition of the first conspiracy in this fascinating new audiobook bestselling author Brad Meltzer teams up with American history writer and documentary producer Josh Mench to unravel shocking. Historical mystery to listen to an excerpt. Visit McMillan on your dot com slash I conspiracy based on extensive research. The first conspiracy reveals how in the months leading up to the revolutionary war. There was a secret deadly plot against George Washington, and how Washington himself uncovered it. And it's all brought to your ears in the audiobook by narrator, Scott brick start listening now at MacMillan audio dot com slash I conspiracy. From wondering, I'm Lindsey Graham. And this is American history tellers our history your story. This is episode to our special series on the trial of the Chicago eight we're telling the story in collaboration with another one repot cast legal wars hill. Harper who host that show, and who you just heard will be taking us through the drama in the courtroom, the trial captured the nation's attention, even in the midst of almost unprecedented political turmoil. Things had come to a head in August of nineteen sixty eight when riots consume the city of Chicago during the week of the democratic national convention, thousands gathered to protest US action in Vietnam and the cops crackdown. It was wore in the streets. The federal government blamed the protesters and brought charges against eight prominent activists, but the trial was about more than just who threw the first punch during the trial. The radicals establishment interrogated each other relentlessly on one side, the eight liberal defendants, Abby. Hoffman, Jerry Rubin. Bobby Seale, Dave Dellinger, Rennie Davis. Tom hayden. John FRANZ and Lee whiner on the other side, representing the US government judge Julius Hoffman. And the sitting mayor of Chicago, Richard J Daley it was a battle for the soul of American culture and both sides plan to win by any means necessary. On the first day of the trial spectators, hoping to glimpse the action lineup around the block starting at the crack of dawn it's early fall, but already freezing Chicago, strong winds blowing off Lake Michigan can chill you to the bone local news troops film cameras at the ready huddling vans. Ready to jump out when the defendants arrive the police as always are on hand in case. There's trump. One by one the defendants enter the courtroom and almost immediately the theatrics begin. The jury will please disregard the kiss blown by defendant. Hate the defendants are charged with conspiracy to travel interstate with the intent to incite organize promote encourage participate in and carry out a riot. John phones and Lee whiner are charged with teaching others how to make incendiary devices and the other six Hoffman. Ruben seal Hayden Dellinger Davis are charged with inciting violence added up each defendant faces ten years behind bars, the prim proper and perpetually outraged assistant US attorney Richard Scholz is here to remind the jury why the government, ladies and gentlemen of the jury will prove in this case the case, which you will witnesses jurors and overall plan of the eight defense. In this case, which was to encourage numerous people to come to the city of Chicago people who planned legitimate protest during the democratic national convention, which was held in Chicago in August of nineteen sixty eight from August twenty sixth through August twenty ninth nineteen sixty eight they plan to bring these people into Chicago to protest legitimately protest as I said, creating a situation in this city where these people would come to Chicago would riot the defendants in perpetrating this offense, they the defendant crossed state lines themselves defendant. Tom Hayden is a pretty brilliant, man. But even he is having trouble following this meandering opening statement. He looks over at the jury they seem as board as he feels Hayden notices. Several of the jurors looking back in his direction Schultz now naming the defendants says Tom Hayden Hayden. Sheerly salutes? The jurors with a raised fist judge Hoffman. Immediately cuts the prosecutor off Mr. Marshall, please excuse the jury from the courtroom the jurors leave Hoffman continues and addresses Schultz. Who is the last defence you named Mr. Haden, the one that shook his fist in the direction of the jury that is my customary greeting your honor, it may be your customary greeting. But we do not allow shaking fists in this courtroom. I made that clear it implied. No disrespect for the jury. It is my customary greeting, regardless of what an implies, sir. There will be no fish shaking. And I cautioned you not to repeat it with Hayden cautioned. And the jury brought back in Schultz continues to state the government's case against the defendants. He outlines a three step plan. These alleged conspirators employed to invite protesters to Chicago with the explicit goal sparking a violent large scale confrontation in some then, ladies and gentlemen. The government will prove that the eight defendants charged here conspired together to use interstate commerce and the facilities of interstate commerce to incite and to further a ride in Chicago. It's now defense attorney William counselors, turn to speak, and he has one central point to make he readily agrees that there was a conspiracy. But from his point of view this conspiracy wasn't hatched by his clients sitting in some dark shadowy basement somewhere plotting to ensure the streets of Chicago ran red with blood. No, instead, he points the finger in a different direction, which raises the stakes the real conspiracy was against these defendants, but we are going to show that the real. Conspiracy is not against these defendants as individuals because they are unimportant as individuals. The real attempt was the real attack was on the rights of everybody all of us. American citizens all to protest under the first amendment to the constitution. Consular is pleased with what feels like a solid and well put opening statement. But when he sits back down he can see his clients are furious during a recess they let their lead attorney habit. What the hell are you think it that was your opening statement? This was our chance to tell them. Why were really hear what we're really fighting for calm down abbey. You blew it. Bill. Can't even believe this Tom to you. It's not about our right? It's not about the first amendment. We don't care about any of that. What we care about is the soldiers dying in Vietnam. I thought you understood. It's two sided Leonard wine glass will make these points when the defendants return to court, but he can't every time he mentions Vietnam. Judge Hoffman tells him not to talk about antiwar positions. Finally, judge Hoffman yells at him. Mr. Weisglass, I think you're persistency and disregarding direction of court and the law in the face of repeated ammunitions is contemplation conduct. And I so find it on the record. He's accusing wine glass of outright disrespect and refusing to obey the judge's thority. That's going to be a theme throughout the trial. Opening statements complete more or less, the fundamental question is established are these eight men often profane often theatrical always outspoken in their criticism of America. A sinister cabal did they advocate for violence in Chicago. And get exactly what they were hoping for. Or are they well intentioned idealists unjustly facing punishment from a duplicitous federal government trying to squash dissent, just who are the Chicago. Eight. Judge Hoffman has forbidden cameras in the courtroom, so magazines newspapers and TV networks send sketch artists to depict the drama as it unfolds on day one cartoonist Jules Pfeiffer, captures judge Hoffman resting his head against his right hand in oppose of wearied agitation part of what he finds so irritating about these radicals is that they're radical in different ways, the eight have recognized this from the beginning. It's the government that decided to try them as a group forcing them to appear in court together like some sort of protests super team is their mutual respect between them. Sure. But Tom things Abby and Jerry waste time with their endless clowning, Abby. And Jerry thing. Tom is square up tight? Dave Dellinger believes there's no excuse for violence for any reason, ever, Bobby. Zeal is a Black Panther who believes in the right to armed self defense whiner and Freund are Spiring professors when abbey Hoffman thinks about at all. He just has to laugh these guys in a conspiracy. Hell they can't even agree on lunch. But judge Hoffman is not laughing. He sees a group of defendants and their lawyers clearly scheming to undermine his court. I wanna make a statement just a minute, sir. Who is your lawyer Bobby Seale looks directly at the judge. Charles r Gary as judge Hoffman knows along with everyone else. Charles. Our Gary is not in this courtroom Hoffman asks the jury to lean the courtroom for the third time today. It's only eleven o'clock. Maybe you forgotten so much has happened already. Charles are Gary is Bobby seals lawyer, but he isn't in the courtroom because he's at home in California recovering from gallbladder surgery. Seal tells the judge he doesn't want consular or Leonard wine glass to represent him. He wants Gary Gary asked Hoffman to postpone the trial for six weeks while he regained his health. But the judge refused. William consular gets up and tells judge Hoffman that to make an opening statement on Bobby seals behalf will compromise. His client's position that the trial. Can't go forward until he has the lawyer. He wants judge Hoffman replies. I don't ask you to compromise it, sir. But I will not permit him to address the jury with his very competent lawyer seated there if I were to make an opening statement, I would compromise his position that he has not his full council here. Mr Seal, you are not to make an opening statement. I saw order you. You are not permitted to in the circumstances of this case with that judge Hoffman asks the prosecution to call their first witness, Raymond Simon corporation counsel for Chicago in the city's top attorney takes the stand. He's up there because ABBIE Hoffman and Jerry Rubin approached him on August eighth. Nineteen sixty eight requesting permit for protesters to congregate in Lincoln park the week of. The democratic national convention Simon turn them down Rennie Davis and others from the national mobilization committee to end the war in Vietnam suit and Simon met with them. He says to try and find a solution prosecutor Thomas foreign addresses Simon. What did Mr. Davis say he said, if the city doesn't give us the park, there will be tens of thousands of people without a place to stay, and they will go into the parks and the police will drive them out, and they will run through the streets of the city, and there will be disorder and conflict and problems and the police will fight back, and there will be tear gas and Mace and Billy clubs. Davis didn't get what he wanted his lawsuit against the city of Chicago was dismissed meaning that if he and his protesters wanted to demonstrate in Lincoln park, they'd have to do. So without a permit the world saw what happened next tear gas Mace and Billy clubs. This begs the question was Rennie. Davis clearly leader just being irresponsible when he decided to go ahead with the rally knowing what could happen or as the prosecution has clearly suggesting was violence the goal all along. September thirtieth day five tensions ratchet up a notch prosecuting attorney Thomas foreign addresses the court. I was informed. Just about the time. We were to come to court by the FBI that they had been informed that one of the jurors had received a letter or her family had received a letter that certainly could be a threatening nature. It is a dress to the king family eighty one. South Carolina, crystal lake Illinois, six zero zero one four it is written in script. You are being watched the Black Panthers. Bobby Seale quaking with rage whispers to his co defendants. That's a forgery. We never signed anything the Black Panthers. It's always the Black Panther party. Or if we'll be informal. The Black Panther party for self defense. There are actually two letters both sent to Christie king. She's young and through. Her sister has a connection to the peace corps. The defense sees these two points as being in their favor. They could also explain why someone working against them would want to frighten king off the jury. Defense attorney consular like seal knows the letters are bogus and tells the judge so we are at the point your honor where the defendants has seriously made a statement that they believe that the two letters in question were sent in some way by some agent of the government in order to prejudice them further in this trial. That is their position. I think they have publicly stated it and that is the position which they take judge Hoffman scoffs he sits elevated ten feet above the floor behind him hang several frame portrait's of the founding fathers Hoffman is certain those great men would be rolling in their graves if they could hear what was just said he squinched down at the defense table. I will let you try to prove that right now that is a very grave charge against an office of the government. Well, we obviously can't prove it your honor. Then don't say it. This is the clients. -sition that is my statement to make a statement like that is irresponsible. It's clear Kristie king is already badly rattled now. She's under judge Hoffman's microscope. He says to the young woman have you seen either of these letters? No, your honour. Well, then you'd better just take this right now and read it Christie does as instructed now knowing how you and your family have been threatened. Do you believe you still be able to remain impartial in this case Kristie king's face Redden's? She looks quickly at Bobby Seale then away quietly. She replies. No miss. King. Your services are no longer required in this trial. You are dismissed. Kings replacement is a woman named cave Richards who just happens to be engaged to mayor Richard Daley's supervisor of personnel. Judge Hoffman does not see a conflict of interest over the next month. The prosecution calls witness after witness all of whom testify about their certainty that the defendants intended violence one is Robert Pearson. A police officer who went undercover in order to get dirt on behalf, man. He explains how for his assignment he altered his appearance to come across a little less cop like and more like a radical. I loud, my hair to grow long. I loud myself to go without a shave for proximity. Four to six weeks. I purchased the tire of motorcycle gang member, which is more of a cycle boots. A black T shirt black Li lies in a black leather vast and a motorcycle helmet Monday. August twenty six nineteen sixty eight did you. Have any occasion on that day to go to Lincoln park? Yes, sir. I did Jordan introduced me to ABBIE Hoffman. He's at abbey. This is Bob. He will be one of your bodyguards. I said to Hoffman that last night's confrontation was a pretty good one and often said to me that last night they pushed us out of the park. But tonight, we're going to hold the park. He then said that we're going to any used a foul work f up the pigs and the convention. What was the word, please? Will you relate it? Fuck. As the first month wraps up a separate an ongoing issue reasserts itself since the opening statement debacle judge Hoffman and Bobby Seale have barely been able to exchange. Three civil words on Monday, October twenty seventh day thirty four of the trial the situation escalates seal again tells judge Hoffman that he wants his lawyer. What about my constitutional right to defend myself and have my lawyer, your constitutional rights. You are denying that you had been denying them. Every other word you say is denied denied denied denied. And you begin to only in the face of the masses of the people of this country. That is what you begin to represent the corrupt -ness of this rotten government of four hundred years. Ladies and gentlemen, of the jury I regret that I will have to excuse, you, hope you don't blame me for anything and those false lion notes and. Lead. Is that was sent that said the black parents party threatened the jury it's a lie. And you know, it's a lie and the government did it to tank. The jury against me. Over the next couple of days things between Bobby Seale and judge Hoffman. Get even more intense. I am warning you sir that the loss dead. A warning. Why don't you wore me? I have got a right to defend myself. I am warning you that the court has the right to gag you. I don't wanna do that under the law. You may be gagged and chained to your chair gagged, I'm being railroaded. Alright a court has the right and court has no right whatsoever. The court has no right to stop me. From speaking out in my behalf of my constitutional rights. The court will be in recess until tomorrow morning at ten o'clock. Everyone will please rise. I am not rising. I am not rising until he recognizes my constitutional rights, Mr. Marshall see that he rises Mr Seal and the other one to get all the defendants to rise Mr. Haden. Will you please Ryan? Let the record show that none of the defendants has the court will be in recess. The following day October twenty ninth ABBIE Hoffman makes observation. They're twenty five marshals in here now, and they all got guns. It's clear that the marshalls are here in force and armed for one purpose to keep Bobby Seale and his supporters in the courtroom in check. 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The seals were just a few of the millions of African Americans who left the south as part of the great migration, they wound up in Oakland. Joining the growing black community there at eighteen seal dropped out of high school and enlisted in the air force. He lasted three years until he got kicked out for fighting a commanding officer seal was court martialled than dishonorably discharged. He was told. He had just five minutes to get off the base he replied, when are you going to do with the other formats and fifty nine seconds because it won't take me any time to get away from here. Seal return to Oakland where he worked in a sheet. Metal factory by day and finished his high school degree at night. Seal sought to continue as education at Oakland's Merritt college, a seemingly. Ordinary decision that would have a major impact on the civil rights movement in the early nineteen sixties at Merritt college seal stood out he was outspoken, political and anti-authority he immersed himself in black nationalist literature studying the teachings of Malcolm X and joined the afro American Association one day during a rally in west Oakland CO came across another young black man making a name for himself on campus. Speaking to riveted group of about two hundred fifty students about the Cuban missile crisis. His name was Huey p. Newton Newton was born in nineteen forty two the seventh son of Louisiana sharecropper, and Baptist preacher. He was named after Huey P long. The populace Louisiana governor assassinated nineteen thirty five the Newton's like the seals wound off in Oakland. As part of the great migration there Newton and Seale shared, a mutual respect and bonded over their commitment to radical black activism, they fought to get black studies. And other afro Centric courses at into the Merritt college curriculum and on October fifteenth nineteen sixty six they founded the Black Panther party for self defense. The previous year had been difficult for those in the civil rights struggle, Malcolm X had been assassinated on February twenty first nineteen sixty five shot twenty one times while addressing an audience in Manhattan the following month. Bloody Sunday occurred in Alabama hundreds of protesters marching from Selma to Montgomery were attacked at the Edmund Pettus bridge by state troopers who beat them with nightsticks and sprayed them with teargas though. A major victory came with the Voting Rights Act of nineteen sixty five just days after it was signed into law riots erupted in watts a black community in Los Angeles. And response to news of a violent traffic stop in which a white officer, kicked a pregnant black woman. The riot lasted for six days caused millions of dollars in damage and resulted in thirty four deaths, but for seal in Newton it was an. Vent of the next year. Nineteen sixty six that was likely the last draw. Matthew Johnson an unarmed? Black man had been shot to death by police in nearby. San Francisco seal in Newton felt that this incident further prove that black people couldn't expect protection by the police. If anything black citizens needed protection from the police and the Black Panthers reformed a month later, the symbol for the party, the image of a crouched and snarling black. Panther was borrowed from the Lowndes county freedom organization in Alabama. The panther leaders felt the symbol neatly summed up their philosophy as Newton put it. It's not in the Panthers nature to attack. I, but when he is attacked and backed into a corner, he will respond viciously seal. Newton drafted a ten point platforming outlining the party's beliefs and demands, including an emphasis on self defense to raise money for guns and ammunition. They sold copies of chairman mouse little red book on college campuses. The Panthers felt it was critical to keep an eye on the police while the cops patrolled Oakland, the Panthers patrolled the cops Newton and Seale saw to it that the Panthers acted as a deterrent to police brutality in the East Bay the party gained national prominence in may of the next year. Nineteen sixty seven when thirty armed Panthers arrived at the capitol building and Sacramento to protest the signing of the Mulford act. A Bill that prohibited. The carrying firearms and public the Panthers tried to enter the semblance but were denied access some members including seal were arrested and charged with disrupting legislative session upon release. Seal stood in front of the police station and issued a forceful statement. The Black Panther party for self-defence calls upon the American people in general and the black people in particular to take careful note of the racist California legislature, which is considering legislation aimed at keeping the black people disarmed and powerless at the very same time that racist police agencies. Throughout the country are intensifying, the terror retali-, murder and repression of black people the way, the Panthers sewing guns were essential for protection in their environment. After all the cops were armed and always would be the Panthers maintained the goal was an end to violence, but were adamant on how it should be done. They stated we are advocates the abolition of war, which can only be abolished through war and in order to get rid of the gun. It is necessary to pick up the gun. This was not Dr king's brand of activism. The Panthers were much closer to Malcolm. Xs more confrontational philosophy channeling, Malcolm Newton promised we will change society. We will use whatever means are necessary. We will have our manhood, even if we have to level the earth yet another aspect of the Panthers that made them distinct was their emphasis on Marxist Leninist idiocy they were concerned that the legal political advancements. King was fighting for would only benefit middle class blacks, they felt working class people from which seal Newton came would be left behind the last of their ten point platform stated we want land bread housing, education, clothing, Justice, and peace. They also pioneer direct social service programs in local neighborhoods, including a free breakfast program for children and medical clinics for the needy. But he was their militancy that drew most of the attention. The panthers. Clashed often with the police on October twenty eight nineteen sixty seven a shootout between the police and the Panthers left one officer dead another in serious condition and Newton with a bullet in the stomach. He was arrested handcuffed in the hospital while receiving treatment. Newton did thirty three months behind bars throughout that time. His fellow Panthers. Held frequent free Huey rallies in nineteen sixty eight. There was another high profile altercation with the cops one panther was killed and Eldridge cleaver was wounded cleaver gained fame for his memoir written in prison soul on ice, and he had taken a larger role in the Panthers after Newton's arrest over the next year and a half. The Panthers would tangle with police. Nearly a dozen more times new chapters were opening across the nation and public officials took notice they feared the spread of lawlessness and a rising tide of black radicalism. One of the most worried was f. FBI director j Edgar Hoover he called the Panthers. The greatest threat to the internal security of the country as early as may of nineteen sixty seven there were police raids on panther party offices by August, the FBI's operation called co Intel pro was at work with the mission of preventing a coalition of militant black nationalist groups. The same FBI program was also spying on other prominent black leaders, including Martin Luther King junior the bureau went to great lengths to interfere with unification efforts. Amongst black groups, Hoover's, greatest fear. It seems was a black messiah who would bring all the groups together and topple society to keep such a figure from rising the FBI employed informants spread misinformation and help the police in their rates. The most infamous of these rates took place on December fourth nineteen sixty nine in Chicago, the police targeted an apartment rented by Fred. Hampton, a Black Panther swiftly moving up the ranks in the party Hampton had done an effective job uniting groups within Chicago and had been recently promoted to the panther central committee, but FBI informant William O'Neill told officials at Hamptons west Monroe street apartment was being used to stockpile weapons and the hours before dawn the police descended upon Hampton his nine month, pregnant fiancee and several members of the party as they slept panther. Mark Clark was on guard that night and sat in the front room of the apartment with a shotgun. At the ready when the police kick down the door, they fired on Clark and killed him. As he took a fatal hit to the chest. Clark reflexively fired back. It was to be the only round fired by panther that morning. The police stormed into the room where Hamptons fiance lay sleeping, but Hampton did not wake during the raid because hours earlier William O'Neil the FBI informant. Drugged him by slipping barbituate in his drink. The police checked Hamptons vitals, and discovered that he was wounded but not dead. So they shot him twice in the head drag his body into the hallway and left him there. Then they fired into yet another room the Panthers they found there were wounded then beaten than arrested and ultimately indicted by grand jury on charges of weapons possession, armed violence and attempted murder in total the police fired ninety nine shots Panthers. Only shot once that was Mark Clark's. Involuntary pull the trigger as he was killed. Nevertheless, the police described the raid as shootout. Not long after the rate that was a break in at the FBI field office in Pennsylvania Coen, tell pro documents were discovered these documents reveal the floor plan of Hampton's apartment and a plan to conceal the FBI's role in his assassination this prompted a lengthy legal battle and in nineteen eighty two thirteen years after the raid, the federal government and Cook County settled with the survivors of the raid and Hamptons relatives for one point eight five million dollars or almost five million today by nineteen seventy twenty eight Black Panthers have been killed while two thousand more were arrested. The seventies would prove to be hard years for the party as always law enforcement threatened from the outside. But there also cracks internal division. Panthers disagreed with each other on the path forward. It was grave suspicion of informants. Who was also a leadership crisis as top officer faced legal cases and prison time Newton. And when stand jail until nineteen seventy cleaver jumped bail in sixty eight and then fled to Cuba. And of course, there was Bobby Seale when nineteen sixty nine face trial, Chicago alongside the seven other defendants you'll brought his experience with the Black Panthers into the courtroom, and whether on the streets in prison, or in court CO would fearlessly take on anyone who stood as way, even if it meant paying a high price. American history. Tellers is sponsored by quip is it possible to try to hard to stay healthy. If we're talking about dental hygiene than yeah. Many of us brush our teeth to horn, but not long enough a fast and furious sprint isn't the best way to treat our teeth. Quip is a better electric toothbrush. That can help quit as a stylish practical electric toothbrush with pulsing, sonic vibrations. 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Thirty six of the trial, and Bobby Seale and judge Julius Hoffman are still arguing the jury is once again asked to leave the courtroom, Mr Seal, I've admonished you previously. I have a right to cross examine the witness. What might happen to you? If you keep on talking. We are going to recess now. Young men if you keep this look old man, if you keep denying me, my constitutional rights, you are being exposed to the public and the world that you do not care about people's constitutional rights to defend themselves. Judge Hoffman reiterates his threat from the previous day. I will tell you that what I indicated yesterday might happen to you happen to me what can happen to me more than what Benjamin Franklin and George Washington did the black people in slavery. What can happen to me more than that? Mr seal. Do you want to stop or do you want me to direct the March? I want to argue the point we will take a recess take. Defendant into the room there and deal with him as he should be dealt with still want to be represented. I want to represent myself the Marshall turns to the nearest defense attorney William consular. Will you instruct the defendants serve that it is the order of the court that they will rise upon the recess. If that is a direction of the court, I certainly will pass it on let the record show. None of the defendants have stood at this recess in response to the marshalls require that direct show. He's all six marshals rushing and body seal. The other seven jump to their feet and Dave Dellinger. The pacifist tries to get between seal in the marshes. He's thrown to the floor. Get co founder Jerry Rubin hills for all to here. They're kicking him in the balls a Marshall punches him in the face, Tom. Hayden. Shouts above the Malay. Your honor? All he wants to be legally represented now be a slave here. The chaos of Chicago streets is now in your off me got pigs. Get off me the marshalls dragged Bobby into a backward. Bobby seals ankles and risk are put in chains. They get off. The marshalls tight thick white cloth around the back of his head and over his mouth. And then this is followed by perhaps the most shocking moment of all. He's brought bag in and the judge and Marshall's attempt to resume the trial as if nothing happened Mr. foreign would you like to proceed this is a true turning point? William consular can't contain himself. I wanted to say the records should indicate that Mr Seal is seated on a metal chair each hand is handcuffed to the leg of the chair on both the right and left sides. So he cannot raise his hands and gag is tightly pressed into his mouth and tied at the rear, and that when he attempts to speak, a muffled sound comes out as he has done several times since he has been bound and gagged. Bobby Seale has been muzzled but not silenced. Mr marshall. I don't think you've accomplished your purpose. Judge Hoffman orders yet another reset and the marshalls carry seal out once again still chained to his chair. When he's brought back in there's a plug like device in his mouth same story. The next day seal sits in the courtroom plugged and Enchaine's once again, he struggles against the marshes and share is kicked. At this point pandemonium breaks out again, marshalls elbow and punch defendants spectators and journalists the court sketch artist gets it all Lillian consular has never witnessed anything like this. And it's making him more radical by the second. This is no longer a quart of order your honor. This is a medieval torture chamber. It is a disgrace. They are salting the other defendants also. Yet. Again, the whole world is watching and the viewers at home have seen the hand-drawn images of the black men in chains on the front page of the morning papers. This is very bad publicity. Eventually seal is allowed to appear in court without the restraints the increasingly cranky judge peers down at the lead defense attorney Bill h Ray San Mateo county deputy sheriff is on the witness stand mister Kessler. Do you have any cross examination of this witness your honor since this witness only related facts relevant to Mr Seal who has as your honor knows discharged me. I have no questions. I think I have a right to cross examine Mr Seal. I asked you to sit down Bobby Seale is clearly not the kind of guy who sits down when he's told to sit down. He has some questions for the man testifying against him. Have you ever killed a Black Panther party member? Mr Seal, I will have to ask you to sit down. Please have you ever been on any rage in the Black Panther party's offices or Black Panther party members homes, Mr Seal? This is the third time. I'm asking you to sit down as courteously as possible. Judge Hoffman has the jury leave the courtroom you are making it very difficult for me, Mr Seal, you are making it very difficult for me judge Hoffman. Judge Hoffman seems to be building to something. Len Wein glass knows what's coming next. And isn't surprised when Hoffmann says I find the axe statements and conduct of the defendant, Bobby Seale constituted deliberate and willful attack upon the administration of Justice and attempt to sabotage the functioning of the federal judiciary system and misconduct of so grave character as to make the mirror position of a fine of futile gesture and a wholly insignificant punishment judge Hoffman then sentences Bobby Seale to contempt citing some sixteen instances of it penalty four years behind bars, but there's more there will be an order declaring a mistrial as to the defendant. Bobby G seal and not as to any other defendants marshalls return this time to take Bobby Seale back to prison as he is dragged away and spectator shell free. Bobby seale? Make sure he's heard wait a minute. I gotta right. What's the catch on to pull? Now. I can't stay. I still want an immediate Trump. You can't call it a mistrial. I'm put in jail for four years for nothing. I want my coat. The date is November fifth nineteen sixty nine the Chicago eight are now the Chicago Seven for Bobby Seale, this part is over. But for ABBIE Hoffman. Jerry rupe? Tom hayden. Dave Dellinger, Rennie Davis, Lee whiner and John phones. It's just the beginning. Next week on the third episode of the special American history tellers legal or series on the trial of the Chicago eight the defendant step up their defiance of the court and call a who's who of legendary sixty celebrities. Philosophers and activists to help them do it. I hope you enjoyed this episode. Subscribe to American history tellers and leave wars now on apple podcasts. Spotify Google podcast tune-in wondering dot com or wherever you listen to this show. 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The United States district court for the northern district of Illinois eastern division is housed in the federal building in Chicago's loop. It's plain black steel and glass, stretching thirty stories into the sky on the twenty third floor hundreds of prospective jurors sit in silence as a judge address the room. It's jury selection time for the Chicago eight and things are not going well for the defense. Those accused are charged with conspiring to cross state lines to incite a riot. With teaching the making of incendiary devices with committing acts to impede law enforcement officers in their lawful duties objection is it possible to recite that charges in a less, dramatic fashion. Your honour sounds like Orson Welles reading the declaration of independent overruled. May I proceed Mr. counselor lead defense attorney William consular sits down dejected. Yes. Your honor? Now. Where were we MS Peterson? What is your current marital status? I'm married. Your honor consulate turns to his cO, cancel Leonard wine glass. Now, he's ignoring all our questions on purpose. He is judge Julius Hoffman. He's a seventy four year old Republican any prides himself on quick and efficient jury selection, but consular wants these jurors to answer real questions like do you have any hostile feelings towards persons whose lifestyle differ considerably from your own, do, you know, who Jefferson airplane country, Joe, and the fish, Phil oaks or the fogs are do you consider marijuana habit forming in other words, how likely are you to be biased against the eight counterculture radicals about to go on trial? But the judge is in having it normally for such a high profile case the court would spend several days carefully selecting twelve jurors and twelve. Hornets next your age twenty one year on thank you. That'll be all judge Hoffman gets the job done in one day. You're dismissed. When it's over defense co counsel. Leonard wine glass stares at the jury in disbelief ten women two men mostly middle aged Jesus Christ. Typically, Bill consular has a lot more faith in the system than his clients. Do he voted for democrat Hubert Humphrey, a few months ago in the contentious nineteen sixty eight presidential election when he walks into a courtroom he believes in the blindfolded lady with the scales? But now consular's faith is getting a serious test and the trial hasn't even started. He glances over his clients terms to wine glass, and drops his voice down south. They have a term for judge like this on. What's that? Shipping can be complex with the uncertainty over costs and deciding which carried us, plus tracking your packages things can get confusing. Now, there's a better way to ship send pro online by Pitney Bowes with send pro online. 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That's PB dot com slash legal wars, and you can experience the convenience of send pro online for yourself when you sign up for a thirty day free trial, and thanks to Pitney Bowes and send pro online for sponsoring the show. From wondering, I'm hill Harper, and this is legal wars. This is episode two in our three part series. Revisiting the trial of the Chicago eight the hanging judge. When the trial began in nineteen sixty-nine, it captured the nation's attention, even in the midst of almost unprecedent political turmoil. Things had come to a head in August of nineteen sixty eight when riots consume the city of Chicago during the week of the democratic national convention, thousands gathered to protest US action in Vietnam and the cops crackdown. It was a war in the streets a national scandal. The federal government blame the protesters and brought charges against eight prominent activists and the trial was about more than just who threw the first punch during the trial. The radicals and establishment interrogated each other literally and symbolically on one side, the eight liberal defendants, ABBIE. Hoffman, Jerry Rubin. Bobby seale? Dave Dellinger Rennie Davis. Tom hayden. John Foin and. Lee winer on the other side, the US government judge Julius Hoffman. And the sitting mayor of Chicago, Richard J Daley it was a battle for the soul of American culture and both sides plan to win by any means necessary from the very beginning. Everyone could see that this trial was going to be wild. And what you're about to hear is taken word for word from what was actually said in the courtroom. It was a battle. On the first day of the trial spectators, hoping to glimpse the action lineup around the block starting at the crack of dawn it's early fall, but already freezing Chicago, strong winds blowing off Lake Michigan can chill you to the bone. Local news truce film cameras at the ready huddle in vans ready to jump out when the defendants arrive the police as always are on hand in case. There's trump. One by one the defendants, enter the courtroom and almost immediately. The actress begin the jury will please disregard the kiss blown by defendant hate the defendants are charged with conspiracy to travel interstate with the intent to incite organize promote encourage participate in and carry out a riot. John phones and Lee winer are charged with teaching others how to make incendiary devices and the other six Hoffman. Ruben seal Hayden Dellinger Davis are charged with inciting violence added up each defendant faces ten years behind bars, the prim proper and perpetually outraged assistant US attorney Richard Scholz is here to remind the jury why the government, ladies and gentlemen of the jury will prove in this case the case, which you will witnesses jurors and overall plan of the eight defense. In this case, which was to encourage numerous people to come to the city of Chicago people who planned legitimate protest during the democratic national convention, which was held in Chicago in August of nineteen sixty eight from August twenty sixth through August twenty ninth nineteen sixty eight they plan to bring these people into Chicago to protest legitimately protest as I said, creating a situation in this city where these people would come to Chicago would riot the defendants in perpetrating this offense, they the defendant crossed state lines themselves at defendant. Tom Hayden is a pretty brilliant, man. But even he is having trouble following this meandering opening statement. He looks over at the jury they seem as board as he feels Hayden notices. Several of the jurors looking back in his direction Schultz now naming the defendants says Tom Hayden Hayden. Cheerlead salutes? The jurors with a raised fist judge Hoffman. Immediately cuts the prosecutor off Mr. Marshall, please excuse the jury from the courtroom the jurors leave Hoffman continues and addresses Schultz. Who is the last defence you named Mr. Haden, the one that shook his fist in the direction of the jury that is my customary greeting your honor, it may be your customary greeting. But we do not allow shaking a fists in this courtroom. I made that clear it implied. No disrespect for the jury. It is my customary greeting, regardless of what an implies, sir. There will be no fish shaking. And I cautioned you not to repeat it with Hayden cautioned. And the jury brought back in Schultz continues to state the government's case against the defendants. He outlines a three step plan. These alleged conspirators employed to invite protesters to Chicago with the explicit goal of sparking violent large scale confrontation in some then, ladies and gentlemen. The government will prove that the eight defendants charged here conspired together to use interstate commerce and the facilities of interstate commerce to incite into further a ride in Chicago. It's now defense attorney William counselors, turn to speak, and he has one central point to make he readily agrees that there was a conspiracy. But from his point of view this conspiracy wasn't hatched by his clients sitting in some dark shadowy basement somewhere plotting to ensure the streets of Chicago ran red with blood. No, instead, he points the finger in a different direction, which raises the stakes the real conspiracy was against these defendants, but we are going to show that the real. Conspiracy is not against these defendants as individuals because they are unimportant as individuals. The real attempt was the real attack was on the rights of everybody all of us. American citizens all to protest under the first amendment to the constitution. Consular is pleased with what feels like a solid and well put opening statement. But when he sits back down he can see his clients are furious during a recess they let their lead attorney habit. What the hell you think it that was your opening statement? This was our chance to tell them. Why were really hear what we're really fighting for calmed down abbey? You blew it. Bill. Can't even believe this Tom could you it's not about our right? It's not about the first amendment. We don't care about any of that. What we care about is the soldiers dying in Vietnam. I thought you understood. It's decided Leonard wine glass will make these points when the defendants return to court, but he can't every time he mentions Vietnam. Judge Hoffman tells him not to talk about antiwar positions. Finally, judge Hoffman yells at him. Mr. Weisglass, I think you're persistency and disregarding direction of court and the law in the face of repeated ammunitions is consummated conduct. And I find it on the record. He's accusing wine glass of outright disrespect and refusing to obey the judge's thority. That's going to be a theme throughout the trial. Opening statements complete more or less, the fundamental question is established are these eight men often profane often theatrical always outspoken in their criticism of America. A sinister cabal did they advocate for violence in Chicago. And get exactly what they were hoping for. Or are they well intentioned idealists unjustly facing punishment from a duplicitous federal government trying to squash dissent, just who are the Chicago. Eight. Judge Hoffman has forbidden cameras in the courtroom, so magazines newspapers and TV networks. Send sketch artists to depict the drama as it unfolds on day one cartoonist Jules Pfeiffer captures judge Hoffman resting his head against his right hand in oppose of wearied agitation. Part of what he finds so irritating about these radicals is that they're radical in different ways, the eight have recognized this from the beginning. It's the government that decided to try them as a group forcing them to appear in court together like some sort of protests super team. Is their mutual respect between them. Sure. But Tom thinks Abby and Jerry waste time with their endless clowning, Abby. And Jerry thing. Tom is square up tight? Dave Dellinger believes there's no excuse for violence for any reason ever. Bobby Seale is a Black Panther who believes in the right to armed self-defence whiner and Freund are Spiring professors when abbey Hoffman thinks about at all. He just has to laugh these guys in conspiracy. L they can't even agree on lunch. But judge Hoffman is not laughing. He sees a group of defendants and their lawyers clearly scheming to undermine his court. I wanna make a statement just a minute, sir. Who is your lawyer Bobby Seale directly at the Judge Charles r Gary. As judge Hoffman knows along with everyone else. Charles. Our Gary is not in this courtroom Hoffman asks the jury to leave the courtroom for the third time today. It's only eleven o'clock. Maybe you forgotten so much has happened already. Charles are Gary is Bobby seals lawyer, but he isn't in the courtroom because he's at home in California recovering from gallbladder surgery. Seal tells the judge he doesn't want consular or Leonard wine glass to represent him. He wants Gary Gary asked Hoffman to postpone the trial for six weeks while he regained his health, but the judge refused. William consular gets up and tells judge Hoffman that to make an opening statement on Bobby seals behalf will compromise. His client's position that the trial. Can't go forward until he has the lawyer. He wants judge Hoffman replies. I don't ask you to compromise it, sir. But I will not permit. Him to address the jury with his very competent lawyer seated there if I were to make an opening statement, I would compromise his position that he has not his full council here. Mr Seal, you are not to make an opening statement. I saw order you. You are not permitted to in the circumstances of this case with that judge Hoffman asks the prosecution to call their first witness, Raymond Simon corporation counsel for Chicago in the city's top attorney takes the stand. He's up there because ABBIE Hoffman and Jerry Rubin approached him on August eighth. Nineteen sixty eight requesting permit for protesters to congregate in Lincoln park, the week of the democratic national convention Simon turn them down Rennie Davis and others from the national mobilization committee to end the war in Vietnam sued and Simon met with them. He says to try and find the solution. Prosecutor Thomas foreign address. Simon. What did Mr. Davis say? He said if the city doesn't give us the park, there will be tens of thousands of people without a place to stay, and they will go into the parks and the police will drive them out, and they will run through the streets of the city, and there will be disorder and conflict and problems and the police will fight back, and there will be tear gas and Mace and Billy clubs. Davis didn't get what he wanted his lawsuit against the city of Chicago was dismissed meaning that if he and his protesters wanted to demonstrate in Lincoln park, they'd have to do. So without a permit the world saw what happened next tear gas Mace and Billy clubs. This begs the question was Rennie. Davis clearly leader just being irresponsible when he decided to go ahead with the rally knowing what could happen or as the prosecution is clearly suggesting was violence the goal all along. September thirty day five tensions ratchet up notch prosecuting attorney Thomas foreign addresses the court. I was informed. Just about the time. We were to come to court by the FBI that they had been informed that one of the jurors had received a letter or her family had received a letter that certainly could be of threatening nature. It is dressed to the king family Eighty-one. South Carolina, crystal lake Illinois, six zero zero one four it is written in script. You are being watched the Black Panthers. Bobby Seale quaking with rage whispers to his co defendants. That's a forgery. We never signed anything the Black Panthers. It's always the Black Panther party. Or if we'll be informal. The Black Panther party for self defense. There are actually two letters both sent to Christie king. She's young and through. Her sister has a connection to the peace corps. The defense sees these two points as being in their favor. They could also explain why someone working against them would want to frighten king off the jury. Defense attorney consular like seal knows the letters are bogus and tells the judge so we are at the point your honor where the defendants has seriously made a statement that they believe that the two letters in question were sent in some way by some agent of the government in order to prejudice them further in this trial. That is their position. I think they have publicly stated it and that is the position which they take judge Hoffman scoffs, he sits elevated ten feet above the floor. Behind him hangs, several frame portrait's of the founding fathers Hoffman is certain those great men would be rolling in their graves if they could hear what was just said he squinched down at the defense table. I will let you try to prove that right now that is a very grave charge against an office of the government. Well, we obviously can't prove in your on that don't say it. This is the clients. -sition that is my statement to make a statement like that is irresponsible. It's clear Kristie king is already badly rattled now. She's under judge Hoffman's microscope. He says to the young woman have you seen either of these letters? No, you're on. Well, then you'd better just take this right now and read it Christie does as instructed now knowing how you and your family have been threatened. Do you believe you still be able to remain impartial in this case Kristie king's face Rennes? She looks quickly at Bobby Seale then away quietly. She replies. No miss. King. Your services are no longer required in this trial. You are dismissed. Kings replacement is a woman named cave Richards who just happens to be engaged to mayor Richard Daley's supervisor of personnel. Judge Hoffman does not see a conflict of interest. Over the next month. The prosecution calls witness after witness all of whom testify about their certainty that the defendants intended violence one is Robert Pearson. A police officer who went undercover in order to get dirt on behalf, man. He explains how for his assignment he altered his appearance to come across a little less cop like and more like a radical. I allowed my hair to grow long. I loud myself to go without a shave for proximity four to six weeks. I purchased the tire of motorcycle gang member, which is more of a cycle boots. A black T shirt black Li lies in a black leather vast in a motorcycle helmet Monday. August twenty six nineteen sixty eight. Did you have any occasion on that day to go to Lincoln park? Yes, sir. I did Jordan or -duced me to ABBIE Hoffman. He's at abbey. This is Bob. He will be one of your bodyguards. I said. Hoffman that last night's confrontation was a pretty good one and often said to me that last night they pushed us out of the park. But tonight, we're going to hold the park. He then said that we're going to any used a foul word f up the pigs and the convention. What was the word, please? Will you relate it? Fuck. As the first month wraps up a separate an ongoing issue reasserts itself since the opening statement debacle judge Hoffman and Bobby Seale have barely been able to exchange. Three civil words on Monday, October twenty seventh day thirty four of the trial the situation escalates seal again tells judge Hoffman that he wants his lawyer. What about my constitutional right to defend myself and have my lawyer, your constitutional rights. You are denying that you had been denying them. Every other word you say is denied denied denied denied. And you begin to only in the face of the masses of the people of this country. That is what you begin to represent the corrupt of this rotten government of four hundred years. Ladies and gentlemen, of the jury I regret that I will have to excuse, you hope you don't blame me for anything. And those false lion notes and lead is that was sent that said the Black Panther party threatened. The jury it's a lie. And you know, it's a lie and the government did it to taint the jury against me. Over the next couple days things between Bobby Seale and judge Hoffman. Get even more intense. I am warning you sir that the loss dead. A warning. Why don't you warm me? I've got a right to defend myself. I'm warning you that the court as the right to gag you. I don't wanna do that under the law. You may be gagged and chained to your chair gagged, I'm being railroaded. Alright a court has the right and court has no right whatsoever. The court has no right to stop me. From speaking out in my behalf of my constitutional rights. The court will be in recess until tomorrow morning at ten o'clock. Everyone will please rise not rising. I am not rising until he recognizes my constitutional rights, Mr. Marshall see that he rises Mr Seal and the other one to get all the defendants to rise Mr. Haden. Will you please Ryan's? Let the record show that none of the defendants has risen the court will be in recess. The following day October twenty ninth ABBIE Hoffman makes knobs avation. They're twenty five marshals in here. Now in the all got guns. It's clear that the marshalls are here in force and armed for one purpose to keep Bobby Seale and his supporters in the courtroom in check. It's a startling image in a trial already filled with them. And it's not going to be the craziest thing these people. See? You can't tackle every item on your list of resolutions. But there's one that's pretty easy ring in the new year with a new hair care routine. Madison Reed is hair color reinvented. Gorgeous salon-quality color delivered to your door for less than twenty five dollars. Remember, it's twenty nineteen. Now, you don't have to choose between outdated box color or the time and expensive salon crafted in Italy by master, cholera STS, Madison Reed is professional hair color. You can't easily do at home multi tonal ammonia free with ingredients. You can feel good about find your perfect shade today. Get an expert color consultation or take the color quiz and Madison dash Reebok com. As a listener of legal wars, you can get ten percent off plus free shipping on your first color kit with code legal wars, that's code legal wars for ten percent off plus free shipping on. On your first color kit. It's day. Thirty six of the trial and Bobby Seale judge Julius Hoffman are still arguing the jury is once again asked to leave the courtroom, Mr Seal, I've admonished you previously. I have a right to cross examine the witness. What might happen to you? If you keep on talking. We are going to recess now. Young men if you keep this look old man, if you keep denying me, my constitutional rights, you are being exposed to the public and the world that you do not care about people's constitutional rights to defend themselves. Judge Hoffman reiterates his threat from the previous day. I will tell you that what I indicated yesterday might happen to you happen to me what can happen to me more than what Benjamin Franklin and George Washington did the black people in slavery. What can happen to me more than that? Mr seal. Do you wanna stop or do you want me to direct the Marsh wants to argue the point we will take a recess take the defendant into the room there and deal with him as he? Should be dealt with. I still want to be represented. I want to represent myself the Marshall turns to the nearest defense attorney William consular. Will you instruct the defendants certain that it is the order of the court that they will rise upon the recess. If that is a direction of the court, I certainly will pass it on let the record show. None of the defendants have stood at this recess in response to the marshalls request that direction. He's all six marshals rushing. Bobby seeing the other seven jumped to their feet, and Dave the pacifist tries to get between seal in the marshes. He's thrown to the floor co founder Jerry ruin hills for all the here. They're kicking him in the ball. Marshall punches him in the face, Tom. Hayden. Shouts above the Malay on all he wants to be legally represented, not be a slave. The chaos of the Chicago streets is now in the court. Picks the marshalls drag Bobby into back Bobby seals ankles and risk for putting chains. Get off. The marshalls type thick white cloth around the back of his head and over his mouth. And then this is followed by perhaps the most shocking moment of all. He's brought back in and the judge and Marshall's attempt to resume the trial as if nothing happened Mr. foreign would you like to proceed this is a true turning point? William consular can't contain himself. I wanted to say the records should indicate that Mr Seal is seated on a metal chair each hand is handcuffed to the leg of the chair on both the right and left sides. So he cannot raise his hands. And they've gag is tightly pressed into his mouth and tied at the rear, and that when he attempts to speak, a muffled sound comes out as he has done several times since he has been bound and gagged. Bobby Seale has been muzzled but not silenced. Mr marshall. I don't think you've accomplished your purpose. Judge Hoffman orders yet another reset and the marshalls carry seal out once again still chained to his chair. When he's brought back in there's a plug like device in his mouth same story. The next day seal sits in the courtroom plugged and Enchaine's once again, he struggles against the marshalls and share is kicked. At this point pandemonium breaks out again, marshalls elbow in punch defendants spectators and journalists the court sketch artist gets it all William kuntsler has never witnessed anything like this. And it's making him more radical the second this is no longer afford or your honor. This is a medieval torture chamber. It is a disgrace. They are salting the other defendants also. Yet. Again, the whole world is watching and the viewers at home have seen hand-drawn images of the black man in chains on the front page of the morning papers. This is very bad publicity. Eventually seal is allowed to appear in court without the restraints the increasingly cranky judge peers down at the lead defense attorney Bill h Ray San Mateo county deputy sheriff is on the witness stand mister Kessler. Do you have any cross examination of this witness your honor since this witness only related facts relevant to Mr Seal who has as your honor knows discharged me. I have no questions. I think I have a right to cross examine Mr Seal. I asked you to sit down Bobby Seale is clearly not the kind of guy who sits down when he's told to sit down. He has some questions for the man testifying against him. Have you ever killed a Black Panther party member? Mr Seal, I will have to ask you to sit down. Please. Have you ever been on any rates in the Black Panther party's offices or Black Panther party members homes, Mr Seal, this is the third time? I'm asking you to. Sit down as courteously possible. Judge Hoffman has the jury leave the courtroom you are making it very difficult. For me, Mr Seal, you are making it very difficult for me judge Hoffman. Judge Hoffman seems to be building to something. Len Wein glass knows what's coming next. And isn't surprised when Hoffmann says I find the axe statements and conduct of the defendant, Bobby Seale constituted deliberate and willful attack upon the administration of Justice and attempt to sabotage the functioning of the federal judiciary system and misconduct of so brave character as to make Mirren position of a fine of futile gesture and wholly insignificant punishment judge Hoffman then sentences Bobby Seale to contempt citing some sixteen instances of penalty four years behind bars. But there's more there will be an order to clearing mistrial as to the defendant. Bobby G seal and not as to any other defendants the marshalls return this time to take Bobby Seale back to prison as he is dragged away and spectator, chef free, Bobby Seale. Make sure he's heard wait a minute. I got a right to catch on to pull. Now. I can't stay. I still want an immediate. You can't call it a mistrial. I'll put in jail for four years for nothing. The date is November fifth nineteen sixty nine the Chicago eight are now the Chicago Seven for body seal this part is over but for ABBIE Hoffman, Jerry Rubin. Tom hayden. Dave, Rennie Davis Lee, y and John phone lines. It's just the beginning. On the third and final episode of legal wars. Look at the trial of the Chicago Seven the defendant step up their blatant defined. So the court and call a who's who of legendary sixty celebrities. Philosophers and activists help them do. I hope you enjoyed this episode of legal wars. Subscribe now on apple podcasts. Stitch NPR Spotify wondering dot com or ever you. Listen to this show, you'll find a link on the episode notes, simply tap or swipe over the cover. He'll also see some offers from our sponsors. Please support our show by supporting them. If you like what you're hearing. 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