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Vertigo

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Vertigo

"It's nineteen fifty eight in Jimmy Stewart is dizzy and way out of his league, the movie vertigo. Hello, everybody. And welcome to unspoiled. I'm nicholson. And this is the podcast where me and my wonderful. Fantastic. Co host go through the movies on the top one hundred list. And we have now reached fifty movies. This is our fiftieth movie. Oh my God. Paul will be here in just a moment. But before he is, let's talk about last week's movie to kill Mockingbird, a movie that we, both really really really, really really, really loved. And so, did you guys including Melanie manning, who tweeted to us hot take to killer monkey bird is the movie is better than the book? You know, she says, at least as far as that goes is very close to the book. But that is not bad when you have actors and filmmakers breathing life into these characters with excellent filmmaking. She says it to kill a Mockingbird is what an adaptation should be slack Babbitt, who is at law monster. Thirteen noted that, you know, when we started to raise the issue here in the episode about, like west Tom Robinson, actually murdered by the cops when they say that he ran away and they shot him. He reminded us that in. The book it was way way worse that they specify that as Tom Robinson was quote unquote running away from the cops. He was shot seventeen times in the back over the Facebook group. There were a ton of interesting conversations, one of the ones that really stuck out was a conversation. Kind of looking at the different angles of is advocates Finch, white savior, which is something that Harper Lee kind of rolled back a bit in her sort of follow a book about it go set a watchman I pulled this quote from Todd Lawrence, because I thought kind of summed up all the different angles of all the different debates Todd Lawrence wrote, I think the white savior complaint is a fine lengths to be aware of. But I don't think it Mars, this film at its core to kill Mockingbird is about learning to see we watch scouts understanding of advocates, and Bradley evolve. And then we watch advocates is faith in the law of all. So it's more than a little poetic, and beautiful at our understanding of tequila Mockingbird should also evolve, it was written by a white daughter of the deep south, who is struggling to see truth, despite her social conditioning, does the nobility of Harper. Lee is intentions maker. Just another white saver herself. Off should she attempted to write a book from Tom Robinson's? POV despite knowing nothing of it, and yet, these are a lot of the questions that I think are so fascinating to wrestle with and talk out and hash out, and maybe never come to a resolution but maybe it doesn't have a resolution another couple interesting things that people pointing out this week, Ian Stewart wrote that he thought my comment about how to kill him Mockingbird might have influenced, John carpenter's Halloween. He thought it was interesting because when he which titter of this era Madria. He thought a lot of the thing, which yeah. Totally and also, I loved this, this may be Di Mico Pierce who has at Mike, seventy nine P. He wrote, oh, I mean, you know, it's interesting that you mentioned that the score into killer Mockingbird sounded like early Spielberg who was playing piano on Bernstein score. John williams. Oh my God. It now I'm like a complete trooper conspiracy, there is that blows my mind. Thank you so much for bringing that fun back to, to Oliver tensions. I wonder I wonder how will wear done Williams himself is of that, if he's like, oh, man, this reminds me of. I did a million times in his own DNA. That's fascinating. Okay. So to kick off our talk about this week's movie. The Alfred Hitchcock film vertigo are call it last week was we asked you guys to pitch a movie to us a movie that Hitchcock might have made about another disorder. Let's see what you thought of. His talk presents kidney stones who loves him to make a conspiracy thriller set in twenty nineteen called the Mandela effect. I would like to see a movie called narcolepsy that follows the unconscious Argentinian around the Moulin Rouge through an Argentinian lens Martic is dermatology. Mania which is the, the chronic picking skin. And I'm thinking of a mid late nineties, Winona Ryder as a star. I think the Hitchcock's much should be made is based on crop gras disease where you think everyday objects have been replaced by imposter objects? One man has a secret and those in power can't hold him down because quite frankly he flails around too much Jimmy Stewart stars, and Alfred Hitchcock's. Restless legs syndrome. Okay. I totally totally freaked out by dramatic mania that I cannot handle that, also, by the way, speaking of strange videos, I'm kind of mad that this was introduced to me. But have you guys heard of trip to phobia, because that is one that I did not know of somebody told me about it. I googled it. I wish I did not Google it. Because now I'm wondering if I have it don't look trip to phobia, whatever you do have a Fuyu of googling the word trip to phobia. And if you do, please don't victors, who know let's welcome, somebody back into the studio who I have no phobias about whatsoever. Is the world's greatest go host both here. The years nineteen fifty eight the top song is at the hop. Bye, Danny, and the juniors superglue was invented the price of postage stamp is only four cents. President Dwight Eisenhower signs, the national 'aeronautics and space at creating NASA. It's a big year for space with the US launching its first ever satellite explorer, one, fourteen year old, Bobby Fisher wins the United States chess championships, big movies include South Pacific, auntie mame. And of course, today's film, vertigo, rated number nine, and the af is two thousand and seven list up a whopping fifty two points from the nineteen ninety seven list where it was rated at number sixty one Amy vertigo who's in. It wasn't about already. It is directed by Alfred Hitchcock. And it is about I police detective his name. Scotty he's played by James Stewart, who's in several times, unless this before James Stewart is disgrace, because he was on a regular mission helping his police cut buddy. Chase a criminal. He realized he had vertigo. Nearly fell from roof. His buddy died trying to rescue him. And now in the trauma of this, he's hired by an old college friend to stock the college fans wife. The vengeance says my wife has this thing she disappears. She goes inside her head, I think she's haunted from this woman in the past named Carlotta Valdes from vintage San Francisco, history, and lore. He follows the wife he falls in love with the wife, the wife dies, and then the wife comes back in the form of one of the exact same face don't done. And that is Kim Novak in a dual role, and it's interesting because the film vertigo is often blamed for creating or popularizing the misconception that vertigo means a fear of heights and actually means a sensation of whirling and loss of balance, and that's often associated with looking down from a great height. So Hitchcock is presenting it the right way. But I think people just assume that vertigo is a fear fights, anyway, a little, little background on vertigo the disorder for you, do you want to know, over Jek title this title did not make it very far at all. But it was a title. That screenwriter Taylor. The thirds kicked around Hitchcock, or at least just blurted out once to lay a ghost. Wait is a joke. Probably. Oh my God. They did say to lay a ghost. To lay a ghost. I love it. I love it. I love it to catch a thief goes, do you have? I don't have vertigo. Do you know I don't know? I mean I have I like I like heights, actually, but I did I took a trapeze class once and I learned that what I cannot do is jump from a tall thing. Why would you want to write like I can't jump off a platform, but I can stare down forever. There's something about like not being in control of being at the top that I can't, I hate slides. It's the same thing I love slides, where I get the feeling the most the fear of heights. The most is an I can only kind of politics one location. But in Las Vegas at the pump so tell they have like a skylight in a bar that shoots down to the ground. So it's a a floor light essentially. So when you're standing over it, you're just hovering in the air, and I get nervous when I stand on it. I I'm tempting fate. I don't like it. I don't like standing on that clear glass. Tile. Like, why am I tempted fate here? Zip lines. Oh, yeah. Do that. I'm just picturing, you and famous getting like the vertigo zoom in zoom out crazy camera effect that Hitchcock came up with getting that, while looking down at, like just some dudes beer. Let's talk about that technique that he uses to create the sensation of vertigo. Right. This is this Dali's zoom where you're basically dulling out zooming in at the same time. So the cameras physically moving away from a subject while simultaneously zooming in. You've actually saw it in jaws as well. But the second is at least to me, yeah, right? I mean like brody's face was like. It's like it's really intense. And, you know, a lot of people give that a to Hitchcock for creating that. But it wasn't actually him people say it was actually this second unit. Cameraman Erwin Roberts who created that. So little, you know, little just do for Irwin Irwin. We wouldn't have that awesome in Jonah's without you. I remember going on the universal tour and like watching, how they created this effect back when I was a kid. It was so cool, too many people and we talked about this a little bit last week. This is their favorite movie of all time on the sight and sound list after years of kind of steadily moving up the charts it overtook citizen Kane, you know, and it's viewed by many people as Hitchcock's masterpieces best work. Yeah. I mean this film it came out in fifty eight. I don't even think it made it on the site and sound list until the eighties. And then it steadily climbed up. And, you know, a couple of the site in San inside is split their list into two groups, the critics list and the directors listed in critics vote. And directors vote. It might you. This isn't even a ton of people like I think vertigo is on the number one list was like a grand total of one hundred ninety one votes. That's ninety one votes. And that's on the critics list. It's not actually number one on the director's list its critics who love this movie. It's ridiculous talking about this movie and its critics who came to this movie much, much much later, after it came out, is interesting. Like I know we're going to do reviews the end. But I will it's not spoiler to say like when this movie came out people are like it's okay, little goofy. I don't know. It's fine. Hitchcock was embarrassed by this film. It was a flop when it came out, and he pulled it from circulation. It was only kind of put back into the world in nineteen Ninety-three after he had died, his family, put it back out there. And that's where this film kind of had a second life. It's almost like a Disney gaming of the system when they were like we're gonna hide Bambi you're gonna really want Bambi. Yeah. And then it comes back out because when you read people talk about vertigo almost nobody can talk about vertigo without talking. About either the rediscovery of it or then the restoration of it, they did in the nineties, like, but it's smart because this film took on this mythology. I mean this film is a myth and then it took on this extra methology around it. And I think a lot of why people love it. So much is maybe not even because it's the best Hitchcock. But it might be the most Hitchcock where like his career ended we saw the entire body of work. He made we saw of fixations. We saw all of his obsessions, we really knew how he treated actresses after this, because this comes out before psycho Hitchcock's career is done, and then you dig through everything. And you're like this one vertigo this has him with women this as him as controlling this has his sort of like a vodka. Tive nece. This has the way that he loves to put audiences in a spell. You know, this is a film that is so different from citizen Kane as many ways, because I think of citizen Kane as perfect, and it gives it isn't Kane, as like this flawless, magical clock where everything is in place in everything ticks, everything is beautiful and everything. Is smart. And all the dialogue is great vertigo is something different. It's like this, like, maddening strange. I don't know why am I had the image is like it's like if you had a peanut butter sandwich with bananas, and bacon, and you're like this shouldn't work, but it works and you're like conflicted. And you keep eating the sandwich. Yeah. Well, I was thinking about this as well. It feels to me like a Kubrick film, in the sense that it's really pushing a boundary here. I feel like an it's an adult movie. It's showing a protagonist that we now come to recognize as normal. And a to go to the most often use example, the Walter white example, the flawed hero, the anti hero, I mean, Jimmy Stewart, and this movie is not the Jimmy Stewart that we know from other films that we've seen in this list, he's a very flawed damaged character I leave and say this movie he's not even an anti hero. But this movie is anti hero. Yeah. Has it opens not only with him not doing a heraldic act by like falling off of the? Alka near nearly flying off the balcony, letting a criminal go free. The actual hero in that scene. The cop who goes to rescue him dies like the hero dies at the very beginning of the movie about who could have the criminal was like, I'm going to save my friend doesn't work. Here was his dead minute to Elba with the film opens from the black and white titles into color into these, this really provocative image of this woman's face in the into her I, which I was trying to mimic last night after I watch keeping your eye open that long without blinking tried to find some sort of fact on, whoever that woman was that wasn't Kim Novak while you're doing that in the mirror, I was doing it to myself, I knew him my I can blink. But I love that because he's asking you to study this face like look at this face. Look at a woman's face. And when you look at her lips like that you start to think like, are those the lips of Aligarh like where we going with this? When you look at her, I and he starts going to widening in vertigo that word vertigo just comes out of the pupil, and he'd go into this spiral other spiral. That's other spiral. And by the way, I acting. Yeah. It's like this shot in, in psycho, at the end where like you see. Mary rain dead. And then the cameras spirals over, I it spirals out like he loves pupils wonder that idea like, you know, the eyes are the window to the soul and inside you're looking in. Is that is devoid of a soul? Vertigo you keeping in this building doesn't have windows. And if it did people would still be alive. I mean, this movie is a lot about faces in a lot about silence in an away, I kind of believe this is like Hitchcock's version of a silent film for the first hour and thirty minutes. There is very little dialogue besides the opening scene and the scene in the boat yard. It's a lot of Jimmy Stewart, fouling Kim Novak and watching him watch her and in a way you're getting put into his POV kind of just becoming obsessed with an image, not the person the image of the person, and the making eye contact Kim Novak is ever. It's just him driving and music. And her walking Bernard Hermann score. Fantastic. Little similar to psycho, inspired by Tristan Isolde. Am I pronouncing it? Right. I don't know. But you don't need much dialogue to know what's going on. No, it facts. I was gonna talk. This guy talk about it now, this is the perfect time, there's this movie that came out last year called the green fog, have you heard about it? Oh, okay. There's this, experimental Canadian director that I've been obsessed with ever since I moved to L A, and heard about him. He news of him did not make it wasn't Oklahoma. His name is guy Madden. Oh, actually gave him an award for this movie. That green fog this year. It laughter. It's kind of complicated to explain. It's a remake of vertigo. However, it's a remake of vertigo made from footage of other movies shot in San Francisco. Chuck Norris movies, all sorts of movies, all these movies out of San Francisco. As a backdrop assembled into being the arc of vertigo the men, the meetings, the woman, the following the murder mystery, the depression, Chuck Norris, is in the depression montage, and what guy Madden and Evan Engalnd. Johnson has like two co directors do is they just assemble it based on mood and music. They cut out all the dialogue. There's almost no dialogue in the entire movie except the music carries you through you know, vertigo is. And they just have this music, have this imagery, the characters change from state missing because offered by different people. And yet it somehow is vertigo because this is a movie that exists, sort of, in a mythic gigantic emotional mood, board, state, without needing dialogue, you know. So you talking about it as a silent film is exactly right. And that's exactly what guy met did here like here, here's this. This is one of the only lines of dialogue in the entire film. It's a woman at a restaurant, sitting with her friend, and he just keeps cutting every time everybody opens their mouth. So it's a mix of music and just breath. And then this one. Go to the museum. Saturday. This is what I think, part of the vertigo magic is, you know, like sometimes I get frustrated about the way we talk about film. You know, we the grander gigantic, we including me where we get really focused. We have such tempted to that even me, it'd be like, nitpicky, blah, blah, blah, blah. And sometimes, I think nitpicking really matters, and sometimes, I think it doesn't because the film is operating on a different level, and this is a film, where it's never about the dialogue. It's not about like the quips it's not about cleverness. It's all about what cinema is because cinemas not supposed to be like a fable telling you, like, here's how to behave, which is how we think I think a lot of films are supposed to be now. Or like character didn't respond in a way that I think is proper and therefore they're cancelled or whatever vertigo is all just about capturing this feeling translating into the audience without words. I mean you don't have Jimmy Stewart go. I'm mad and depressed. You have Jimmy Stewart's face bathed in red blinking blinking, blinking. And that gets it across this is a purely visual film, in a way that citizens. With perfect visuals is not this is all visual will. And that's what brings me back to the Kubrick idea like this is a much more internal film. I think that a lot of Kubrick's films are about what's going on inside the mind of our league character. And in a way, this film subverts your expectation of what Hitchcock film is because we open up with a scene kinda shot like rope, a big wide apartment were watching Jimmy Stewart who were familiar with. But he's a little bit different than what we know he's a little bit more caddy a little bit more of a playboy, if you will, like you said, kind of, like teasing midge being kind of oblivious swank on his coffee table. Swing he's like a I'm a bachelor. I don't even put this up when lady comes over, but then once we get out of those first, two scenes, you really are left alone with him in the silences. And I think maybe why this is so personal Hitchcock is this is what Hitchcock does. He's behind a lens. Nhs looking at people. I know a lot of people say, like this is Hitchcock doing a self examination of himself like being coming, infatuated an angry with this blonde woman, and in watching her and obsessing with her. And then when, you know, later in the movie, she's not doing things right. He gets very controlling of her. And that's that was Hitchcock's MO. They his entire career is like driving his female actresses insane. And I think that's exactly why critics love this film is because they can just point to it and say there it is right? That is it that is what he was doing. And therefore, we have decided that you are the most perfect most representational. I mean you don't jump from sixty one on the list to nine in ten years. Unless people are talking about this film, like crazy, because it is fun to analyze in the historical context of who Hitchcock was. You know which to me I feel like a lot of different emotions about that. It's kind of weird that we're like, layering an artist biography onto this film, so that we can decide that it is the best, and yet, this film does have a genuine, hold on people. And yet my. Favorite hitchcock? Films are the ones aren't like this. Like I really love like the quickey sardonic funny stuff. I love like his British ones is early thirties ones. I love it when he just is mean and nasty and funny, and there's not much humor in this. So it's weird that the most representational isn't representational. But it is representational. It's everything will interesting because we're also talking about this world, where do we separate the art from the artists, and I think years, a perfect example of how the artist is making something that is important to him. And yes, he's pushing forward the medium, but the story seems very personal to him like he worked three different screenwriters to get this story, the right way, you know, throwing away scripts and really being very hands on in it. And talking about the silent nature of it, this movie that he didn't want the reveal scene, where Kim Novak writes the letter and says this is the plot. This is the whole story. He didn't want that in the movie. He took it out of the movie it was only. Forced in the movie. I think that's one of the reasons like Hitchcock was kind of upset with this film because I think he wanted this movie to live without that scene, and how crazy, would it be without that reveal seeing? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think personally for me, I would like it a lot less without the reveal swim because I mean, now we just live in this era. It's like somebody moves around in acts really weird in the last act there. Like I had a miscarriage you're like, okay. I mean that's so many films, and it drives me nuts where like the person holds back the one piece of information that explains what the characters acting like this. I don't know why I'm using miscarriage I guess, because of the horrible Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt movie by the see where that was like the whole thing we lost a baby. Like that's what you're fighting. Okay. I think it'd be so much more interesting for film, like that, if at the beginning, there, like we had a miscarriage now let's go to the ocean and work it out. Then they get to fight like I don't know why we have to do things like a surprise. Well, it did to me. I really appreciate that. We get to know that she's like, is that makes her performance so much more compelling in the second half? Like I can't imagine how that would performance would go if you thought she was just a woman giving in to what this random guy wants her to do, but actually, makes her character make sense. You see what she's going through her guilt? His guilt. And he knows him share to cares about him when he walks on the door, even though to duties credit, she's remarkable actress listen to this day, I see each other. And she's pretending Susan know him talked what about you? Why? Because your mind miss somebody. I heard that one before too. I remind you someone used to be madly in love with then she did you for another guy and you've been carrying the torch ever since? And you saw me in something clicked. On for. Well, it's not gonna work. See a better go. Let me commend. Let me commend. Here you can leave the door open. I just wanna talk to you. I mean, I think that Judy does not get enough credit for being a phenomenal actress. I'm talking about Judy. You're not even Kim Novak like duty is playing it off. So, well, you know, we're getting here, a real voice or impatience, she's very convincing in that scene great. But anything about the everything that Judy had to do as Madeleine Judy had to act passive, a bit lead this man in different directions and get it, so it would feel like his idea to take her to this place or to take her that place. I will bring you here at the right time. She wants him to bring her where the where the woman is upstairs about to be thrown out. She has to convince him all these things are his idea, which is oh, really? I mean, let's just like improv, that's like, could anybody from UCB do that? I mean I don't know probably because we're that good. But I do believe this movie is about manipulation employing into people's egos. Like 'cause she manipulates him. The first half of the movie, and then you know, he's manipulating her the second half of the movie, you know, these are two people who are really flipping the script on each other. When you see Jimmy Stewart you hear his voice here as after he gets out of the mental institution. He is a broken man. He's not the man that you hear in the beginning. What what good luck do? I don't know. No good. By the way, let's say him talking to midge to present their, you know about those things you're a big boy. Now remember run across one like that it's brand new revolutionary uplift. No shoulder. Straps. No back. Straps. But does everything brassieres should do works on the principle of the cantilever bridge? Aircraft engineer down the peninsula designed. It worked it out in his spare time hobby. Do it yourself type thing. How's your love life? Midge. A couple of things. I love the scene so much because like just that cut of like him being like here's a brawl. How's your love life? And we all know is going through his head, but be this is a scene about what is relationship be like with midge. They're talking about romance about bras about underwear in the most bridge cantilevered mentioned type of way. I mean, this, this romance would be a logical orderly engineered romance, where everything was in place. Any rejects that, for this romance with, like the tragic, tragic Kim Novak eighty falls prey to it? I think every single man in our film falls prey to these films are all about one thing this dummy thinks this hot girl, could really like him. That's what we saw with Fred macmurray. Well, but hold on. Let's go. One step further and say, I think that this character falls victim to what every stereotypical male falls victim to the thing, that's unattainable is. Better than the thing. That is attainable. You know what I'm saying? It's like he has this great relationship with midge. It's playful. It's fun. But he is falling in love with Kim Novak, who doesn't even speak until, like one third into the film. Like there's no connection there. He just falling in love with her from a distance. It's like watching an MSNBC investigative report, where it's like the man killed his wife because he thought the nanny was into him a thought the nanny was into him. Not they had an affair. It's the guy just assuming that there's no there's no reason why they shouldn't be together, even though he knows nothing about them. And this is I think like goes right to as far on that believability edges. You can, which is why I think it works so well as a dream movie at the time and this movie didn't do Hitchcock said he thought a lot of it really was the audience having a problem with the age gap between Jimmy Stewart and Kim Novak. Jimmy Stewart was over twice Kim Novak's age fifty and Jews twenty-five. Yeah. Yes. Everybody was like, no. Thank you for that. But to me it works really well. Age gap with the first half of this movie when he's just in love with her. Absolutely. Because you know what? Jimmy Stewart brings to this to this love story has with a woman who he falls in love with before she talks when we see her in a graveyard framed in flowers and gravestones, the most ominous of all symbols, I was actually at that church. A couple of weeks ago is pretty cool. And they had to take away the gravestone here, right? Because. Yeah, because it was like, we don't want people coming here as a tourist attractions Easter Sunday. It was Easter weekends. It was like to create care, crazy news to go inside, but it was like, oh Hello church. But anyways, what Jimmy Stewart brings to? This is just this like, sincerity in this dopey nece, you want to be on his side. I mean, here's actually Hitchcock's daughter, Pat, explaining it. I think Jimmy personified for my father, every man, so that when people went to see a picture, they could put themselves in Jimmy's place, and especially in vertigo, he wanted the audiences to identify with Jimmy, which is what everybody did. I mean I will say where it doesn't work for me as the second half. Wait. That's where it works for me. Really? Oh my gosh. Because I think the first half of the movie is not hard, but asks a lot of the audience to go with you on this journey. You don't understand what you're really watching. I mean you do, but it's a very slowly paced quiet patient film. And then when you see the complete unraveling, and this is what I was talking about before playing those two scenes kind of back to back. You see, Jimmy Stewart his whole character makes, you know, one eighty switch in a way that you're like you see him as a shell of a man, and I like him as old man, who's trying to hold onto to something and, and makes the whole peace sad, and tragic, and I like all that, too. I do I like his hair, so great that we, we had this Jimmy who has this. Like young idealist going to Washington gonna save the planet and then here he is later in his career decades later. Being so broken a level that I love him being like this might be my last chance for like beautiful hot women who might love me. It's harder for me to buy that Kim Novak likes him that Judy Barton has like chosen him. I can't quite by that. But I don't need to also, don't you think that she it, don't you think that she falls for him, the same reason why he falls for her like he's looking out for her? He is introduced to her as damaged goods. And so he's, I can protect your eyes saved her. You literally from the water, I put her in my bedroom. And I took care of her. If you take if you save somebody's life there, you'll responsibility. I like that she's ruins his life, but I think in the beginning, he is of the high status position looking after a low status position. And so I think it's like you know, some people like that kind of relationship where you're always the provider. And like, that's how you keep somebody close and then flips in the second act, she's almost taking care of him. She does. Need to die as hair. She feels bad that he he's gone insane. So she's only doing this, because she's trying to make amends, but she's taking care of him. I mean, you know, and you'll get the movie they're, they're really mirror reflections of each other each half, you know, I don't know. She feels like she's taking care of him. What I hear Judy is complete broken nece. You know this idea I mean listen to the desperation in her voice, where she says. Fine, do whatever you want. Please. You. I let you change. Tell me will you love me. Anymore. I mean that's like a complete sublimating of herself. I don't care anymore about me, but don't you also feel like this is a kind of a statement on men and women like in the opening scene. We meet Jimmy Stewart a man has died. And he's slightly cavalier walking around spinning Cain. The be can't be a police officer again, but it doesn't seem to be really heavily weighed down by this death that he caused and accept the verdict, which is like brand new. Exactly. But later on, we have this woman who has rec this man's life. Not only she been complicit in a murder. But now she's wreck this man's life and I think that, that's up, LeMay. Shin is her guilt coming out like she can't walk away. Like she thought she was a person who could take that money trick, this guy, and be clean and free. But she's like I need to make this, right. So the way that she is making it right? Is by giving up herself the only thing that she has left, you know, she isn't this cold hearted person, where argue that Jimmy Stewart is I don't know. I mean, the joy in her voice. Choice when she's like, let's go out to dinner, and he's like, yes anywhere you want. She's so happy in that moment to be in a relationship. But then again, I mean, this is the one who lived basically the same life as the fictional Carletonville. Does you know, she was the mistress of a married, man? And then she went a little crazy. You know, she really went too far in this, and then she was abandoned by him. You get the sense that, like she was totally totally dumped by Gavin Elster. And now she's back in this like hotel room where she's lived for a long time. I mean the day after Jimmy Stewart goes crazy. She's probably on a date with governor Elster somewhere. You know, and then he don't. Well, I mean. Yeah. Because she believes that she did that out of love, and now she's alone. And I think that you go back to the idea like, where she's from she's from Kansas, and she's, you know, probably completely utterly looking for companionship on any level. And I think this is a San Francisco story. But it could be a very much a Hollywood story. It's like it's a lonely city and she's just looking for something. And you know what? This. Person who's obsessed with her. She'll take it, clearly, she's not, you know, in making great relationship choices. Anyway, they just slam the door on a lot of dudes. But this is an abusive relationship, I mean, abusive relationship I mean, we're seeing it through those is not saying Jimmy Stewart is bad in this movie. But I am to say as a thought experiment. Wouldn't it be fun to swap Jimmy Stewart out with, like inactive who might have more chemistry with her? We could actually picture her being like yes, I would give up everything to be with you. I just think there is something really universal. I think that, you know, a younger woman is viewed as a sign of youth, and it's all about what she does for him, if they did have more chemistry then it's a romance. This is not a romance. This is a man who doesn't care what she wants he has defined her in the beginning, and then found this woman and his, redefining her to fit what he wants. He has. She has no saying it, it's like just do what I want you to do. And I feel like you see this. Element to him where it's like I don't care it you want, like I want this, and I, you know, at one point, that's all true. Totally true. Like I totally believe in the beginning like Jimmy Stewart is never really in love with metal. And because there is no matter what. Give somebody doesn't exist this. I'm not saying that I want this to be the model of a good relationship at all. I think the fact that we try to make everything. Good is really frustrating. This is about a battery ship totally I'm just saying, when everybody watches this movie through Jimmy Stewart's point of view. There's a little bit of me that wants to be in judy's point of view in item, not totally. There are you're, you're saying, and it's not her movie. You know, it's all about how Jimmy needs to possess this woman, and, like, almost, I feel like anytime you would see her with a dialogue scene when he's not around. It wouldn't make a difference. I mean, yes, totally I'm not demanding reality firmness. And all I'm just saying that this is another example of the movies that do not understand female, desire, do not really think of it beyond things of guilt, and obligation. And this girl must be lonely until this dude knocks on her. She has a full life. We see her with friends isn't that why this movie is a little bit strong because he wouldn't even think about her point of view. It doesn't make a difference. You know. The story he's telling it's like she is a prop in this man's world. And I hear you're saying I totally get it. But I think it almost makes the film stronger, because it's so on the knows that it's like if she had more of a dynamic point of view, it would almost lose that so personalized vision of this movie like this guy, which is totally. You're right. That's true. I think that's true. I think it's just the agony of her being like I will change myself are. It's terrible if she was looking at, like, rock Hudson, or even Humphrey Bogart. I'd be like, yeah, yeah, I just want a little bit of. Yeah. I just want to be like, yeah. Right. I get it right. I mean it makes more tragic that he's not. Have you ever? I mean. Have I ever this guy's myself as somebody else, and then run back into the man that I know I, I was gonna say, well, you know what? I was gonna say, yeah. You'll never get my DNA. I feel like some of the worst mistakes I ever made when I was dating. We're like making these weird compromise it look back on it. Now fuck why would I ever do that? Like at one point, I literally considered moving to Florida. Yeah. And, and no no offense to Florida but I was working as an actor at that point. And I was getting some success in giving it up give it up because a girlfriend that I was dating wanted to go there, and I literally justify device, it was like, maybe I could like work at like Walt DisneyWorld or something like that. One of the thing about that. Now, it almost makes me nauseous, like I don't know why. But in the in the throes of that, that relationship the idea of breaking up with this person seem. So, you know, it's not me it's not even me a reflection of meat in that moment. It was dislike the desperation of that moment. I don't know. I just feel like I defy with that shit decision that you make sometimes when you're little loss than I think relationships can do that, too. Yeah. I totally do too. And I appreciate that vertigo gives us a chance to talk about all that. Yeah. I really do. I really do. I was just saying maybe he's miscast maybe but by the way, but by the way, I will say that the first thing that I notice in this film, and I don't know if it's because it's color or whatever choose to it looks old. He does old to me. I mean look like he could have gone to college with midge will midges fifteen years younger than him, too. I mean college when we were in college together way, I mean, although that doesn't stop most. I mean, we, we can get into a whole world of how men are always mismatch. With their female counterparts. But here's one thing I want to talk about in regards to all this. We're talking a lot about how Hitchcock was making a movie that potentially is his point of view or version of it. But here's a man who is known for being a taskmaster known for really driving his leads insane. But here he doesn't do it to Kim Novak. He doesn't do it at home. She said I had a great time with him. I, I he barely gave me a note. She said, I knew how to calibrate my performance based on what I saw on Jimmy Stewart's is. Yeah. And ain't people talk a lot about like the few times. Kim Novak navy raised her hand and complained everything. One of the big things is that Kim Novak didn't wanna wear a grey suit because she felt like blondes, look bad in grey that she looked bad in gray, which is exactly what Hitchcock wanted. He wanted to blonde to looked a little weird just want to say I like wearing grey, I didn't know blondes couldn't wear grey, earthly looks great and Greg. I think she scraping by the way, the costumes designed by Edith head. I mean, and that's just. You know, I think the costumes are beautiful in this movie. I mean they really are. Because I, I really actress with the white coat and a black scarf and they play with, like the ideas of color in such an insane way. Like, I really feel like it's just like what you said they, they're psychologically jarring. And I think that was like, what Hitchcock was trying to do. Yeah. So it's weird because whenever people talk about the making of this movie. They're always like Kim Novak was mad about the suit in only like well fine. Yes, it also. They talk about how Kim Novak was on strike when the film started, you know, Kim Novak, by the way, I find really interesting. There's a good biography about her. If you ever wanna read it, and, you know, her whole story was, she was just a pretty girl who kind of does like an appliance model. She would be like at frigerator display being like Hello. She was voted miss deep-freeze like imagine she winds up in Hollywood. You know, at this time when they're looking for another beautiful blonde to, you know, make sure they have a backup, Maryland case, anything goes wrong with that one like, how do we make another blonde in the studio system? And it's Harry Cohn at Columbia, total dick bag. Who made a lot of great actresses made a lot of great films. But he basically was like, I'm gonna make this girl over for sure. And he kind of picked her out almost as like Bill last one. He was going to do this, too, because the students this diet at this point. And so they had big fights about things like he wanted her to change her name. He didn't want her last name to be Novak you thought it was too ethnic interesting. And she refused, she kept her name because she had this kind of attitude of, like she didn't die to be an actress. It wasn't like the sole goal of her life was, so she could walk away any minute. She didn't really care. And so Kim Novak was really used to like push poll of fighting against a man who is controlling her. In this case, it was Harry Cohn like Harry Cohn would stake out where she lived and he would have like guys watching the entrance and exit her house to make sure she didn't go on a date with anybody. She wasn't supposed to go on dates with and actually when this movie was like coming out when it was getting ready to go into production. She had just fallen in love with Sammy Davis junior, and Harry Cohn killed that he was like you are not allowed to get married to induce junior. Do know what that would do to your career. And he was just. Controlling everything about her life. So she went on strike. Right win this movie was about to start because she realized that Harry Cohn, get this, this other studio system, worked, because this wasn't a Columbia film, paramount was paying Harry cohn's Columbia. They're paying him two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for the rights to use Kim Novak in this movie two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and you know what Harry Cohn was paying Kim, Her cut. He was only paying her twelve hundred and fifty dollars a week. So she was like, are you kidding me? So she went on strike at the beginning of the film. And she was like, I'm not going to do this until you pay me more. You the original actress who's even supposed to do it before. Kim Novak was VERA miles. Contender. We'll VERA miles gets pregnant so Kim Novak's brought in. But then Kim Novak is busy shooting. And they promise her like a vacation after she's done shooting, and then VERA miles like, actually, now I've had my baby and I'm back. Let's put me to work, and then Hitchcock kind of pulls a Hitchcock is like, no, we'll do Kim Novak instead. And so he still is playing these games with his leads, but it's it's interesting like what this movie would have been with VERA miles. I think Kim Novak is a better choice. I mean they got so far with the VERA miles thing, do they even painted that Carlotta painting with very mild face like that actually exists. I made in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight Kim Novak was like the bombshell like she was though, what everybody was in love with her. She was like the nineteen Fifty-eight vision of just sex. God totally see in that scene, where he like takes her out from the water, and she's like in his room in the bathtub, you know, in her in that bag, he's a little bit of a creep. Right. I mean, I feel like him undressing her. Putting her in the bed. It seemed slightly creepy to me like it, there's an interesting mix of creepy not creepy in that scene. Right. 'cause that seems starts with this pivot kinda like the silence of the lambs turning around and what you see is, I got his apartment, the swank magazines UC hall her underwear hanging up in the kitchen, Lincoln's dry. So, you know, she's not wearing it any panorama and see her in bed. And then when he comes into the room, she super-normal about it, and that was actually not hitches choice. Those the production code production, code was like you can have her naked in his bed, but you need to make this as unwired as possible, so they made him have her be on ruffled about it and act like it was not a big deal because if she acted like a big deal if she had more of a human reaction to, like, oh, God. I'm naked insa man's bed, then there would be more sexy. They didn't even want to highlight how unnerving it was interesting. I mean, I think going back to what you talked about earlier. That's the same reason why that bra seen is the way the bras scene is. We're talking about the cancer lever bridge, and everything that, that is the production code saying, it can't be that sexy. You can show a bra you could talk about abroad, but you kinda take the sex away from it. And in a weird way, I think it helps inform. The scenes a little bit because they're are a little bit more stilted now more surreal, which is yes. Yeah, but you're the one person in this world who is not surreal is midge, who is just watching his whole thing, go down and being like excuse me, you don't think this is weird. I mean listen to midge when he explains what's happening, what his new job as you haven't told me everything, I've told you enough. What was the guy who's the wife out? I've got things to do. I know the one that phoned your old college chum Elster out. Please I is at the beautiful man Karas come back from the dead taking possession of his wife. Oh, no, Johnny really come on. I'm not telling you what, I think I'm telling you, what he thinks. But what are you saying? She pretty call oughta know not. Qarbata. L Stras wife. Yes, I guess, should consider that she would think I'll go take a look at that portray a couple things like Mitch, by the way, is added to this movie super late realize, yes, he's one of the last additions in the script because this will movie without midge was more just like Boise's girl boy, loves girl. Boy follows girl girl dies boys betrayed by girl again. And when Jimmy Stewart read that script, he has like it's a little too weird in so in one of the last drafts in his third writer with Samuel Taylor Hitchcock in Taylor, Taylor, specifically came up with this character of midge as a person, in this film, who's not insane. Basically, to have a person in the film that like you can relate to and that is speaking, sort of the truth, that is grounding this in any sort of reality, and they did that to try to get Jimmy Stewart back on boards at this film was in so weird, you know. And she never by the way, even met him on the set because all they're seeing heart, but she has that fantastic seen just right after this, where she sees Kim Novak run out of Jimmy Stewart's apartment after she's like wet and he's on the phone. And you just see her try to keep her face calm and a little bit of a quiver in just side. She's going to be okay with it act. Okay with it. And it's this delicate little moment that I love so much. What was interesting in the original ending of the film lead, one seemed tacked on which was, you know, after Kim Novak falls to her death again or guess the real, you know, really foster death in the original end you would go back to midges apartment, and she's listening to a radio report about the pursuit of Gavin Elster across Europe. She switches, the radio off Scottie enters the room, they shared drink, and look out the window and silence. And, you know, they said that, that may have been shot, because it was part of the production code administration that you need to, like catch the bad guy. But I love the fact that she's his home, like he goes back to her. It's like art will now she's dead midge. What do you got if the love of my life is dead? I'll go back to number two who. Will always be waiting and there she is waiting for him. But there's also this kind of interesting thing in the film, where I think the film kind of playing with, like two different ideas of what working woman hit is. You know, you have the rejected Mitch who has like our own career doesn't need him, isn't just like listen to the scene when Scotty first meets Gavin Elster, you know, the rich guy in the way Gavin talks about the past. So I decided as long as I had to work at it. I come back here. It was like to how long have you been back? Almost a year you liking. Well, San Francisco's changed things that spill San Francisco to me disappearing. Fast. All aid. Yes, I should like to live here in color. Silence. Freedom. Shouldn't you be sitting down? I just love that moment because it just shows like we're always living in a world where we're upset at the changes that have gone on. I wish it was like like he wants to be old. Servers go people right now on the old San Francisco like it, you always wanted to be like the way it was in your youth. I thought that was very interesting point of view, or just a way show. Kind of how things never really changed. Yeah. Like, even that earnings restaurant, they're always going to this movie with the red velvet. And the tapestries and everything. I mean that's not what a restaurant looked like in nineteen fifty eight. If you were San Francisco, that restaurant was sort of, like, also going to like trader Vic's or something. It was a customer stran-, as like the gay nineties is in Francisco, like, but when you went there, like ha ha they've got electric candelabras, isn't that funny? And then one of the other things that else are reminisces about is like when he's talking about Carlotta you know, this is like San Francisco figure who was the woman who fell in love with the rich guy. And then when he dumped her and left her pregnant with a kid she went crazy, and you sort of reminisces about it. He's like, you know, back then a man could just like take a woman, and then leave her. And that's what you could do as like reminiscent nostalgic for this past at the same time even though it's kind of what he's doing in effect to duty a one hundred percent. What he's doing. I mean d is foreshadowing exactly what he's doing. And by the way, doubling it because he's killing his wife and he's like living, fine. And he's like dumping his mistress. This guy is getting shit done. Yeah. I mean, if you think about what this movie is, it's sort of, like two, guys also being like women are crazy, right? Yeah. Makes sense. She's crazy women as he can't really predict them. And then after the wife dies after the Madeline dies. They have a jury decide why she died. The jury is all made of men here they are coming to their verdict. We'd be diverted. Thank you. The jury funds that Madeleine else to committed suicide while of unsound mind verdict would be so recorded dismissed any I'm not saying this is a problem of the movie at all. I want to be really clear. I'm not saying like how dare this movie be sexist? I was thinking this movie is sort of about sexism. It's I should leave. Yes about it. I mean that movie is to feminism, what the courtroom scene into kill Mockingbird is about racism men being like yeah. Women were crazy. We have let me ask you a question. Do you think Scott is a good detective? You know, I don't think he's good detective because he never looked at a picture of Elster wife. He just waited out front for a woman who matched the description of her, and then went off and went to four like it would seem to me. You would build some sort of profiling system to make sure you're not just following a random blonde and you learned. Nothing from Chinatown. Oh, come on. Get on it. Yeah. I mean look, he loses her in the hotel, which I don't understand what that magic trick was, which it says, Syria. It's so surreal it makes no sense. But was she trying to lose him? What actually happened there that she of the keys to the real apartment? How did she sneak past the woman who was sponging off her flowers? I don't know is speaking of disappearing I love that shot where they go to the woods together, and she walks behind a tree, and you see this tear in his face. Like, did she just vanish? It's like watch you have kids, it's like. Like toddlers being tested for objects when you hide an object and they're suddenly like, oh my God, that ball is gone. It's behind the it's binding up. It must be gone forever. And there's something in his face. That is so childlike raise, like I he's reverting to basically being an infant around this woman. He also has experienced it in the past where she can disappear in an instant. I mean she leaves his apartment, she's up in that hotel. 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A mystery could be, for example, who stole money at a Bank suspense. He always said was an emotional process, and he always used fee example of a ticking bomb, if you know that there's a bomb under a table, and it's going to go off in five minutes. Suspense, it's an emotional process. I mean the idea. He was driven by emotion. I find that really interesting because I wonder like when we're in an era right now. I you take plots really literally, you know, audiences a sort of trained to be like looking for plot holes, but I mean I feel like Hitchcock. Would he encourage us to scale back on the literal -ness of his films in get more into the emotional dream state? Oh, absolutely. I mean, he was often criticized by critics and people of his day for kind of coq, and bull stories fall fetch stories and that goes, a prime example of that he wasn't concerned with the critics, all of the festivus nature about solving every arm, sir, in film. He he wanted to create an emotional dreamlike state. He wanted to the audience for, like, a roller coaster ride or a trip to the haunted, funhouse, unveil films like this go, Mani, see premature samba Savat, because they are very dreamlike. And as we talk so much about Hitchcock's blondes. But what are the things that you really point out is Hitchcock's favorite color, which is something we don't talk that much about it here in vertigo. It seems very much to be green. Yes. His his favorite color was green, because I got that from the wardrobe mistress Rita Ricks. Worked on the bed psycho Amani he decorated his house in Bala shades of green. It was very cool. Calming colorful him. And this also of the state the color of the afterlife. So when you first see modulation can Nate back in earnest restaurant, she's wearing this beautiful emerald. Green dress a late. So she drives her green coffee hills in San Francisco, and the most famous sequence in batch guys, when she appears as motley once more trust in this grey, suit and Hitchcock in the film up, the empire hotel in San Francisco, because they had this big green nail light. So when she comes out to the bathroom with a head up dresses magic, when it's like a ghost. She's paved miss green lights from the nail on and say that was a hit important for Hitchcock. What was his relationship like with kinetic? I, I lost feud can they've Cup? Years ago, the count film festival, and she's got nothing but admiration now for Hitchcock. She has any very fun was to say about him because she, she appreciates the importance of vets-go untaped place in film history. I also interviewed the production manager. He said he post away, now his name was dock Eric's, the and he said that Kim's view has changed. Yes. Because when she filmed got she was twenty four and she was obviously, a feisty strong headed blonde who who's just being Provea studio system herself that Columbia with Harry Cohn. And so she had very firm opinions about what she would wear what she wouldn't want to the Hitchcock had firm opinions. So it was kind of a meeting of two firm headed individuals in Hitchcock one out. But I mean, none of Hitchcock's films with Tippi Hedren her on the list. I know that they Euler sort of specializing as you would a book on the birds a book on money. I mean in those performances in the actresses themselves, and what they brought to the film. How'd you sort of compare 'cause we talk about Hitchcock blondes like their monoliths? But what do you think tippy was doing different than Kim? Kim was more of a say more of an experience actress she had more films onto her about. Tapie was a complete Annetjie that need on commercials. The famous story is that Hitchcock high in -sego dot drink commercial and said, I'm gonna make this girl is star and say he's leaf because he felt that the bird stood need any stars. He was the star the birds with a star and hit. Remember he just on psyche, which made eighteen million dollars at the box office? And so his belief was anything he could touch returned to go if he really wanted Grace, Kelly and Cary Grant through rose, but they went to a liberal, but Kim Novak, I think the general consensus is cheap brings an enormous amount to power vets guy. Many critics believe she, she would be an even greater than what their Amal's could have done with a row because of presence of Paju -ality a US snows. And she really catches this. Spirit, Judy the Scheldt gal in particular. I mean, do you think if Grace Kelly hadn't become a Princess, he would have just committed himself to her for the rest of his life in terms of his star? Well, he always, he always wanted a definitive Hitchcock lawn, but remember hit just going through the same prices with Ingrid Bergman who will sit three threesomes and Ingrid Bergman similarly banned him for Rossellini the Italian director, she married bus with with Grace Kelly. He was in Ahmed by her because she became a Princess and savy state, avai friendly relations. He would go visit with alma in Monaco and say he was he was very much, you know of grace being a Princess and he was often Janko rose grace, but she's off being a Princess, so he always said the find the next Grace Kelly. So he tried with their mouths and then somewhat with either married. Saint in no fighting off west who is very fund off event, sign they tip headroom. Here's my big question is like, you know so well that vertigo is gone to this rise, and fall in, in esteem from critics esteem from audiences and after being mixed in bumpy. It is now just ascended, you know, some people put it at number one on the list of the best films, ever made do you think that he would be surprised to see how vertigos received today or I think it was a very, very personal film for him. And I remember someone complimented him on that guy. And he had tears in his eyes because it was really not by critics time. And he withdrew from circulation, partly as a financial means to secure success when it was late to re released, but I think he it was certainly my personal to hitch, always, quote, shadow of a doubt is his favourite film, because of a small, it's his first time. Really American film, where he encapsulates of kind of small town America. But this is certainly his most personal where he puts his failings up on the screen, and he looks up at you -ality of women and basically, the nation of romantic love, and the idea that we are in love with an image quite often. 'memorial person we create this image about us, and often very disappointed when you find up for tree passed onto Nayef image. And so, I think that's possible reason many, particularly male critics like that guy. But when you look at female critics, who, who admired that to get I think they see it very much. Critique of male patriarch key over. Wave women are treated, but we'll say they will say I think understand that hitch coke is very much women's side. And he really makes. Study of the objection of women in patriarchal society of how women have been at dated in my boss. And he's very much pro heroin. I think that's why he makes a famous reveal two-thirds way free vet guy of Judea really is. She really is pretending to be mild Lin Amelia's snows about, but, but Jimmy Stewart character doesn't, and that was a really big decision on Hitchcock's pot. Dave, Adam studio against that because they wants to save the reveal to the but in doing that to feds way, maybe you're now looking at Jimmy Stewart's character, and you'll really looking at him as a very sick man and, and wondering what's going to happen, but you have say much sympathy for GD of his point because he realized that she is just being taped they manipulated by this man. Was like a dull. And so I think Hitchcock was very clever and he did stood similar things in tourists. With Ingrid Bergman, you feel great sympathy for the suffering heroine because she again, she's being manipulated by the Mamat. She loves Cary Grant my personal favorite Hitchcock film. And it I can't say it's the best. It's just my favorite is to have a tour. I don't know why love this movie so much. I have always thought it was fun, but you seem to really stick up for Marnie. And because that's not a film on this list. I'd love to just hear your passion plea for people taking money seriously and putting it sort of back in the list of the best Hitchcock films. I said, so money when I was eighteen at university of stirring, zoology and psychology at a time. And so it was very much the Mark Rutland character and very, very interested in Freudian analysis in very interested in instinctual behavior. So what's great about Hitchcock films? They may mean different things to you at different pairs. Of your life. Same seed money for couple of years to probably about five or maybe ten years now, but I still still enormously important film to may because of the way Hitchcock uses cameras technique, those yourself in subjects have states. So you really see what Monti's failing for the various zoom lenses red suffused, shins flashbacks back projection. So it's very much filmmakers, film, I wouldn't necessarily recommend it to. Hitchcock's Jin today is the best film. I would say that would be no final west. Because for me that is definitive Hitchcock, because of it sent to share entertainment value and production by these as well. I think no binding of west is pup. So we'll Tony it has been so interesting talking to you. I really appreciate you make it ended up to us from all the way over there in England. Take it have a good evening. Bye. Bye. I, I was wondering if he did any researcher, defend any research because I didn't about kind of the way the movie looks, but that scene in the Redwood forest is, is so beautiful, and, and the lighting in this movie, you know, like the green coming in from the, you know, eliminate from the neon sign on the hotel, so beautiful. But then there's a scene in the graveyard which is so diffused and almost looks as if it was an accident, because there's other sequences that are so clean and clear. I was wondering that, too. Honestly, like there's so many things in here that just seem blown out with this white that I associate right now with low budget digital film-making where they go and get the white stark enough, where it just everything seems kind of faded it, but it's hard for me to think that he would want that to happen. It feels like sort of there's ghosts in the air spirits, and this is me feeling like I'm rationalizing something that I don't know why it's, it's, it's also dreamlike Meena were following the Cy kind of this fantasy. I mean, some people have even suggested that this movie is Jacob's ladder scenario something that we talked about it a lot on. How did this give me that like this is all in Jimmy Stewart's head, although I don't quite understand how they see that they say that he actually died and these are the final thoughts, but it would be a very convoluted way to have final thoughts, because he's not even Ned half of these characters to have final thoughts about, I think it's almost Ozzy and the scene had I always think about is where he's like tracking her at the very beginning. And she goes in this really great alleyway in the cameras like soaking in. It's like look at these gross bricks. Look at this dirt everywhere look how ugly, this is there's no sun, and he opens the door, and it's like boom, technicolor, flower shop, and it's again another shot of a man staring at this woman just obsessing over. What is she doing every time he kind of sees her? It's in a in a way, that is a little bit magical drew. Seem like colorful, bright. And I think if we want to draw a line over to his psychotic break, which is one of the most visually interesting sequences in the entire film. You know, when he's in that hospital bed, you have his face, and, you know, and the spinning, and this amazing computer animation, that goes on the sequence with first movie these computer animation, tending into other faces it'd be one face, and it's another face. I mean, can you imagine being in the theater in nineteen fifty eight and getting to watch that? Oh, it's I mean, in that you get from the opening of the movie like the game. We talk about that face the beginning, then you get into those spiral, graphs that are going around, like everything is about unnerving you in even the climactic kiss of the film. He the camera rotates around them, and we're going back into the past and we're back in the room. It's like this is a master filmmaker it's a really interesting choice for him. And I feel like because of the reaction of this movie he moves away from this, what would have happened if people would have. Said yes to this, you know, native loved it as much and fifty eight as they do. Now. Exactly, would we've gotten different films. And he makes a lot of choices. And I think the reason why it's so well, regarded now is because inadvertently he's pretty much influenced so many directors from storytelling, and from a visual point of view. Yeah, I mean that's shot of just him kissing her in the room swirling around him. In him showing you through image. What's in his head, you know, image and not even like in a way where you cut to inside his head in a flashback of, I remember kissing her here or something like that, or, or auditory flashbacks, which can sometimes I may not. I don't like it when like a scene just happens and half an hour later. They like replay like remember, don't go into the closet off. Hey, dummy proofing it's the word and that this is not dummy proof. Very this is like soil swells. Will you know that the stable is not buying them? And yet, they're it isn't, you know, everything he's thinking about in a way that this is pure cinema. This is pure cinema. That's what I'm saying that this movie. In many respects while citizen. Kane is kind of revolutionizing cinema. I think that this movie is, is playing in that same world. It's, it's, it's kind of saying, no, we know all this can we do even more of this. You know it's. May I mean in my world, vertigo will supplant citizen Kane on this list over my dead body and over my d'appel, gainers dead body over my Dabo. Gainers d'appel getting, here's dead body. I think citizen. Kane is wonderful, but I love the spritz of weird perfume that vertigo adds to the list. I one hundred percent agree. I think if I was to be asked today, which would be long on the top, I think you have to go citizen. Kane, only because it's when it was made how it was made in what it brought forward because citizen Kane influences vertigo. It includes his his Hitchcock. Like these are, you know, they are the most hated to go. But I mean but you know what I'm saying? It's like when something is so lauded for so long you're looking for reason to knock it off its perch, while do we really think this through is, is in Kane, really the best movie ever made. And that's a very you know based on everything we've talked about here. We've seen some amazing films. I still think the sum total of its parts. Make it the number one film, but you'll always be looking for that movie. It's going to try to take a shot at Macron's. Hip hop songs about this reached the top. Now, everybody wants to pick me take out, exactly. Pull a hip hop song for you. But I did Paul song film, the nineties band. Harvey danger for you. I realize where did. I know that name. And I was like, all right. Do it highly dangerous. Carlotta Valdes is actually about vertigo tape. Listen. Jimmy stewart? Yes. Fan. You can't swim on when you. Years. As someone who is in highschool in this came out. I've heard this millions of times, you know, and it was weird that this is a trend because there's also what about breakfast at Tiffany's saw. You know, there's all these kind of. All the time, because you don't agree on anything. That's a vase. I love it. But that like it's funny that this came about one of the other tracks on this album was I know Amy, you said, disturbing behavior is the vertigo of the nineties, right? The Katie Holmes movie, and that was, you know, of five pulse that are in that, so that's really covering the gamut of psychological thrillers. There's also like Mel Brooks is hiking Zaidi. Have you seen that, like, oh, yes, I mean, classic Mel Brooks film, and high anxiety really takes its poster from vertigo that face of Jimmy Stewart, you know, over an image rotating. It's so I have to play a clip of eyeing Zadie just because as Madeline Kahn. Richard Richard for world has gone crazy. I mean, nothing makes any sense anymore. I don't know what to believe, and what not believe my life is just all topsy turvy in one minute, you're singing, love phones, and the next minute, you're pumping bullets into an innocent man, and then is not you, it is the other hornbeck. I mean how much more girl take? I mean my nerve. Cracking, I feel like I'm going to I think I am going to ex-. Take it easy. Take it easy. I'm sorry, please, give me. I'm just so close to my menstrual cycle, but screen. That version of like a high strung seventies from Fidel nutcase is so perfect the blending that era into this. She's like in a head to toe. Like, I don't know. It was a Gucci print shouldn't head to toe Gucci Gucci car. Oh, did you see under the Silverlake yet? No, I have to too busy just kind of watching movies for this podcast called on full. I mean, what under the Silverlake does is like putting new are into the modern modern like I mean it's basically like if Jimmy Stewart was like a fuck boy of echo park or Silverlake. I mean it's perfect. And they figure out how to put into our character into this to like, how did just like nor can still exist on our world even though we think of it as thing that happens only in the forties. Jones through great job with that with brick. I think that there's so many examples of you can tell new our stories. It's it just sort of is, how can you subvert the genre? We're not in that nineteen forties. Hard-boiled thing you know. So what, what's the new version of that? I think there's plenty of plenty of things that even feel like new are. But they're not actually new are, you know, it's this person getting going on a journey me, we know this would be is received poorly. We know that this movie. Gets these mixed reviews. It does, you know, less than all of Hitchcock's previous movies. What was one of the, the worst reviews are one of those interesting reviews, I think this one because of the first line, this is from time magazine in mind, you this is in the context of this being roller. Alfred Hitchcock was actually maybe biz no one right now for doing that stuff on TV and the kind of theory of vertigo in a way it was that he had now become so popular mainstream on TV that he didn't have to do popular mainstream movies, he could do whatever weirdness he wanted soon away. Vertigo is like him expressing the things that he couldn't quite do on TV, and that is the context of this review at Hollywood's best-known. Butterball Alfred Hitchcock has been spread pretty thin in recent years. The old master now, a slave to television Hester another Hitchcock and bull story in which the mystery is not so much who it as who cares worked up from a novel by the French team that wrote the oblique and demonic the picture tells what happens to victim of vertigo when he meets a dizzy blonde. When she goes around and circles, he goes around in circles to until he falls are, then it gets a little bit applauded says he's trying to make a bunch of jokes, detective, Stuart saves it from the drink and takes her home for coffee with sugar soon. He's crazy about the girl but the girl is apparently just plain crazy. When does she lose him and jumps to her death? It's well, they would do all this, like, from the nearest steeple or does she if she does, then who is that redheads Stewart's? He's on the street about six months later, and then he gets me again, surely only Kim could look so be typically bovine by this time, the question is of little interest, particularly after a half hour or so of psychiatric disquisition that interrupts the plot in suspense, the suspense. If interesting, the review is so personal and I think it goes into his psyche. You know, you have a guy who I think is always being criticized for his weight in, in his stature, and I think there's a lot of health good. Does he have to be before? You can just refer to him in a pleasant way is a master filmmaker has been making films since the twenties. I think. They really might be thing where win. A filmmaker is doing work. That's not what you expect them to do. You don't know how to take it like you a film like this is messy. I'm gonna call it messy I think it is little messy. I think it drags. I think it strange. I think the pace is not clicking the way you think it's going to. It's doing whatever it was. And when you see a movie like this kind of like the way people react to under the Silverlake. You're like, what am I watching your resistant to it? You fight it the way people still think fight my personal favorite movie recent vintage synthetic New York as. Just like what am I watching, but and you want to just be like I'm smarter than this because I don't get it. But I also feel like this is the way I feel about Coen brothers films Kubrick films, Connie albums like on C case. But you, it's like you, you, you are looking for something, the last thing that you loved, and they're not giving you the last thing that you love. They're giving you a new thing. So part of watching the film is kind of like. Pulling back the expectation to experience something new. And I find that each one of these films gets better and better on another viewing when I did do a lot of reading about vertigo, most of the reviewers would say, like I didn't like this the first time I saw I fell in love at this later. I was even talking to one of my friends really talented director, and he said, yeah, I watch it once and didn't really pay any mind, and then I saw it again. What's genius? And I think we watching it and knowing where it's going and seeing where the beets are you? I love Coen brothers films. But I love them more on the second third viewing. And I feel that way with Kubrick films as well. And I think that's why a list like this is important because I think there's a lot of films that people might feel this way about, but they don't wash them second or third or fourth time. And that's why what we're doing is really interesting to me because it's like, well, what are we saying? You have to give another shot to this is one that I think people sort of willed themselves, I think even now I find myself willing myself to figure out why I like this film or. Why this film matters are? But I bet you there's a Simpson's nearest there is one of the main things of the Simpsons does do like a recurring visual sight, gag of the tower, which is, of course, really hard to show up in LA podcasting. But so what I fold is from an episode called Homer, loves Flanders it. What happens here is, you know, Homer, decides he's going to try to be friends with Flanders because Flanders always trying to be friends with him. Homer, gets a little bit obsessed with Flanders Flanders starts to have a breakdown in this scene picture, it, it takes place inside the vertigo clock tower picked it 'cause you get to your the madness going along with the visual. Here's homey, bears cover to her home. What's the matter net? I think I hate Homer Simpson. Like INCE hate. Ted coble. No wait. I find him informative in witty night. Wait a second. Is that more of a? I mean that's more of that shooter from the belt, the, it's a little bit UT shooter from the early nineties before we had our pickup shooters. Yeah. But it did other staircase. And it seems like the waking up from the dreams actually almost as close as I could do besides just visual stuff. Interesting. Just put a button on this Abell tower that they shot the, you know, the pivotal scene of this film in the climax, and the and the end was totally constructed using scale, models met paintings and trick photography because the original Cocteau are burnt down. And so they had no choice but to kind of do all these tricks to create that really kind of amazing set and you don't see that much, but you see a lot of glimpses tight close ups in that world. And I think in a way it makes it more confining a little bit more scary as well. And interestingly enough that view down the mission. Stairw-. Well seen cost nineteen thousand dollars for just a couple of seconds because I was such a complicated shot. So, you know, you would think first of all, I find a practical application, though, this is so heavily manufactured in a way. It goes to again show, his artistry in his specificity that it doesn't feel manufactured doesn't feel SETI this movie really transitions beautifully between sets relocations in a very seamless way. And in a way, that's kind of surprising. I think it's so weird is like this realism that you kind of see from Hitchin like wine to be a real locations. Yeah. He was actually using real people for a lot of this stuff like win win. Kim Novak Costa museum guards like. Yeah. Disappointing of Carolina. That's actually the real museum guard. Oh, you're looking around, like Ernie's in the shots were like Kim Novak is coming up to him in the, the people who are working at Ernie's are actually, like the owner of Ernie's end the food that all the extras are eating is actually. Food from Ernie's. He got like weirdly realistic about the strangest things in here. I love that, by the way, he also got very meticulous about a lot of the talked about that scene where she's staring at the portrait and the and the palace. That scene was a week to shoot that little little scene because he wanted the lighting to be just exactly right. I love that kind of crazy genius. Not a fun set to be on. But looks really makes it all. That much better. When you watch it. I think we talked about where it belongs enlist. If it belongs unless I think we both agree it does the top of the list. No. I mean I what do you think about the placement right now I think the placeman right now is us culture working something out number nine on the list. It's is a movie that is being pulled up and there's movies that are being pulled down. I, I think that, that Evan foes, were we want on the list, you know, maybe the list and in two thousand seven you know, this is at number nine, and then, you know, maybe it moves all the way up to number three but then another film the. In the top ten goes down to fifty. You know, I think we want this to be reflective of the generation, which it comes out in. So I think that kind of movement and not getting stayed is just a sign that this list is working in a good way. I kinda wanna treat vertigo and it's placed on this list, almost like when you tag like a wildcat near like a tag, this Puma, you're sort of watch for the Puma goes, either sort of learn a lot about who we are, what were thinking are terrain are mental terrain of landscape by just sort of following this one Puma. This is like one to track. I like it want to track. So next week is another very special episode for me in Paul. It is our look back at the top fifty where we're going to just besides going over the top fifty list and also seeing what our Facebook group had as their top fifty films in order pawn. We're gonna give out a couple of our own awards. Our own little many Oscars for the films that we've looked at this year. And also we want to hear from you guys. Wanna hear a couple of different things. What if the things I would really love to hear it says, we've all kind of gone on this journey together through half of the list, I'd love to hear from you. That is just like what's the number one film that just surprised you that you were like. Wow. I'm so that I watched that I'm so glad I realized that I keep thinking about that movie this year. I am so glad that this was on part of our list. I'd love to hear about that. And also, I look for you guys to give me a mash up elevator pitch it, what I mean by that is, like, pick a character from one of these films, pick a setting from another one of the films and just be like, oh, man. Here's my version of. A movie that I would make mashing up these two things together for me. Kathy Bates is unthinkable. Molly Brown from Titanic in the treasure serum Andre I wanna watch she could fuck some shit up over there. I like Kathy Bates. That's my elevator pitch. Gimme your elevator pitch. And as always, you're gonna make these two phone calls for your number one from this rally on your rain and your elevator pitch to seven four seven six six six five eight two four seven four seven six six five eight two four. Cannot wait to talk about all of this with y'all have. I want to give a big shot or any think you once again to our sponsor for this episode of unschooled touro the peer to peer car sharing marketplace for you can book any car. 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Friday, May 1st, 2020

Virgo Today

02:56 min | 7 months ago

Friday, May 1st, 2020

"Yeah Good Morning Virgo. Today's Friday may first two thousand twenty in thirteen days. Venus will begin her retrograde through Gemini until then try to fully experience. Your relationships take note of patterns and the way others make you feel. This isn't Vertigo today. A podcast original If you're struggling with stress anxiety or isolation right now you are not alone better help. Online counseling offers licensed counselors with whom you can connect through secure and private video phone chat or text and get help when you want it wherever you are horoscope today. Listeners get ten percent off your first month when you go to better help dot com slash horoscope today. That's better help dot com slash horoscope today. let's begin your day. You may find it difficult to wrap up the project every time you think you've added the final touches you find yourself making edits again. Nothing will ever be perfect at a certain point. You must accept your work and decide to let it. Go take a moment to reflect on your relationships of all of the astrological leaders you may struggle most with aries. You could perceive them as Brash. Fickle. Give it time her. Go beneath that. Impulsive facade lies a kindred spirit together you are a force to be reckoned with a team able to tackle any project. Contemplate your path to personal growth. Your greatest strength is your perseverance. When you believe in a cause you do not give up. Your patience and tenacity will help you achieve any goal. Virgo today. Is it daily. Podcast follow on spotify to make it part of your morning routine if you're interested in learning more about your sign. Download the sanctuary up from the apple APP or Google play stores. Get your first reading today and follow sanctuary. Its sanctuary world on instagram. That's S. ANC T. U. A. R. Y. W. R. L. D. Horoscope. Today is a podcast original.

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BONUS! DC/Vertigo and The Sandman Universe

The Writers Panel

13:04 min | 2 years ago

BONUS! DC/Vertigo and The Sandman Universe

"Forever. Hi riders panel listeners. This is an ad, but it's not really an ad because also I'm going to talk about something that I really want to share with you. I'm going to talk about the relaunch of DC's vertigo line, and you've heard me talk about this a little bit already. My new comic ex-wives is coming out as part of this relaunch, but there's so much more involved in it and it's all really cool. So I hope you will indulge me and listen to this for a few minutes before writing the angry tweets. If you're familiar with vertigo, vertigo is one of the biggest names in the history of comics and graphic novels. They in their heyday of vertigo, brought us, preacher y the last man and a bunch of Bryan cave on books, hell blazer, swamp thing. The invisibles fables, which was one of my all time favorites as well as Neil Gaiman San man's here. And when you talk about sort of the history of comic books, Sandman is a watershed book. It sort of made vertigo what it is which is comics for adults, not. Just superheroes that at the time twenty five years ago was not all that common. And even to this day, when I mentioned ex-wives wives coming out and it's part of the vertigo line, I get this reaction that has like, oh, that's legit. Vertigo helped to redefine what comics were capable of. So you know, they, they sort of had their heyday, maybe twenty five to fifteen years ago. And then there have been some really great bright spots in vertigo in the past ten years. But this new relaunch that DC is doing under the editorship of Mark. Doyle is. Sort of a big swing and they've, they've put all of their resources into this with a bunch of original books of which heck's lives apart as well as border town, which is out right now and American carnage, which is out in November and got us mode, which is out in December, and then a couple more even after that. So they're like these six original titles, which is sort of a thing that vertigo became known for its where you get preacher and y the last man. But vertigo was also. Responsible for bringing in familiar or maybe unfamiliar, DC titles like swamp thing, like held laser and like Sanmen, which sort of laid the foundation for all of this vertigo stuff. And so the relaunch which has already started involves an entire San man portion. There are four new Sanmen books as well as sort of a book end book which is out now that you can get written by Neil Gaiman and Neil is overseeing the whole San man universe. It's kind of a neat thing which I can all-talk about a minute, but let me say this the thing and I've, I've hit this before if you're listening to the podcast. The thing I'm learning about COMEX in talking about heck's wives is that preorder are very important now it's too late to preorder a couple of these books I'm talking about, but it's not too late to preorder heck's. Lives numbers one and two to preorder American-carnage and to preorder some of the Sanmen books, including Lucifer and books of magic, and I'll talk a little bit about those in a minute. The way to preorder is very easy. You call up your local comic shop. You say, I want to preorder heck's wives, number one and two. I wanna preorder Lucifer. Number one. I wanna preorder books of magic number one, and they will put it aside for you. Then you go in and you pay four bucks and you pick it up. You can also go to comic Sala g. dot com. That's where everybody gets their digital comics. COM I x. l. o. g. y. search for any of those titles heck's wives, Sandman Lucifer house of secrets. Books of magic. And there's a button to preorder on that. Again. It's like three or four bucks, then you get your digital comic on the day comes out. Okay. Let's talk about San man because San man, as I said, was a watershed book for comics as a whole, but also for vertigo. This past January Neil Gaiman gathered four acclaimed fantasy writers down in New Orleans. I wish I could have been there. I love New Orleans, hey, if you work for the New Orleans Comecon or if you're involved in it, hit me up. I wanna go. I know it's in January, so so Neil Gaiman brought together. These fantasy writers size Spurrier cat Howard nulla Hopkinson and Dan waters, and they got to talking about how to revive the San man franchise. And instead of doing one book, what came out of that was each writer came up with his or her own Sanmen story his or her own world within the Sandman universe. So if you pick up the book that's already out right now, which is called the Sandman universe, which Neil wrote, it's kind of a guide to the reboot. It gives a little taste of each new storyline, refreshing readers on the rules of the universe. You know, Neil Gaiman is an amazing world builder and amazing guide through this. I mean, his characters are so just so indelible just in reading this universe book which has sort of a framing device, and then you get to visit each of the the sort of a sample of each of the new books. Each character has such a strong voice. You get Matthew, the raven, you get Lucien the librarian and it also plants a really cool mystery for where the sort of the the most traditional San book called the dreaming is going to go the dream. Is by size barrier. The dreaming is an awesome book. The dreaming introduces a new character. This new character is called Dora. She is a lady with wings on her head. It's an amazing design. I have the book in front of me, so because I want to tell you who is the illustrator on this on the dreaming book. So bear with me Bill, Chris Evans Lee, I'm probably saying that wrong, but the illustration on the dream book is just beautiful, really is on all the books, but I really love the characterization in the dreaming so so Spurrier introduces this new character named Dora. She doesn't play by the rules of the dream world that we previously have known in San man, and it raises all kinds of awesome questions that first book the dreaming sort of starts to dig into those and there's a fracture. There's this huge crack in the world of the dreaming and maybe doors involve. Maybe she's not. She doesn't seem to want to have anything to do with the fantasy bullshit of this world, which is something I really appreciate. You know, my stand on game of thrones. As my writing partner has said, I don't wanna watch anything with ELS unless they're saving Christmas. I am so onboard for that. But this book San men's always had a special place in my heart. But this book, especially the dreaming feels contemporary. It feels very knowing. Dora clearly has an interesting secret that's going to unfold over the course of the series. So I can't wait to read that the dreaming number one is out right now. You can go to your comic story and go to college and pick it up. The other one you can order right now is house of whispers. It's by Nello Hopkinson who is an amazing fantasy writer. She has built. It's it's interesting. I mean, it basically takes place in New Orleans. It has this figure from voodoo mythology at the center of it who is sort of right now as of the first issue outside of the Sandman universe. So she's gonna come in hard and fast to the dreaming to the Sandman universe. And I can't wait to see how this world of do takes place in New Orleans. This world annul is creating will mash up with the stuff that were familiar with from Neil gamons books, twenty five years ago. If again, it feels very modern, it feels very grounded in a way that sometimes a lot of fantasies hard for me to read even comics. And what I really liked about house of whispers is it starts in our world and we're, we're learning about these characters in the real world. So we don't have to learn a bunch of rules at the same time other than the ones that apply to the characters. So I really recommend, especially if you are sort of a casual fantasy reader or even just a casual comic book reader house of whispers, it's really, it's really cool. It's really well done, and I don't know that knowledge has done comic stuff before, and I certainly I'm not going to check, but this may be her first comic book work, and if it is, it's absolutely phenomenal. As I mentioned, the other two books coming up. Our books of magic by cat Howard who is a great writer, books, magic is sort of look, it's Harry Potter, but they swear. It's a, it's a really cool book. It's beautifully illustrated. Again. The acting in the book is really impressive. And then the other one is Lucifer written by Dan waters. If you are familiar with Lucifer, television program run by our friend, Joe Henderson friend of the podcast. Then you're going to like this book. It doesn't. It's the character you recognize, but not in the world of the TV show. Certainly in the same way that sort of swamping to exist in movies and TV, and in the comics at the same time with different things. But you recognize that character as swamping. That's what this Lucifer is. And I think you know, readers and TV viewers are savvy enough to understand how that works these days just as we were when superman was on the radio and in movies and on television. But those Averbukh is really cool. It's big storytelling. It's big swings, but ultimately it's about this very human non human character. You know, he's he's falafel. If you will. So in addition to those, if you want just sort of a taste of all these checkout, the Sandman universe, which is already out again, get it from your local comic shop, get it from comics. Allah, gee, that was written by Neil Gaiman, but the segments that you that are sort of the taste of the other books are written by their respective writers. You can check those out right now. And as I said, you know if any of the sounds good to you and I do recommend just try out the first couple of issues. I feel like that's usually you can get a good taste for something. If you check out the first few issues, just like if you're watching TV show you check out the first few episodes so that you can see where the story is. You could see the characters are because pilots are tough. Maybe the first one doesn't always do it for you, but give it one or two or three given three. Can you do that for me? What do I ever ask of you so much. So and if any of these sound good to you and you want to check them out, go to your local comic shop or call up your local comic shop. If you wanna preorder, tell them to hold the dreaming books of magic house of whispers Lucifer, and, hey, while you're on the phone with them, pick up a copy of ex-wives say, I want heck lives comes out on Halloween and they'll put that aside for you. Likewise, go to comics g you can do all the Priore during and ordering there. The only way that these books are going to get good runs as if you buy them. If you don't wait for the trades lease by the first couple of issues to check it out. I know that all of these writers as I do for heck's wives has one hundred shoes worth of story that they wanna tell with these characters in these worlds. And so it's only with your support that we get to do that. So thanks checking out. First of all, thanks for listening to this. It turned out to be way more earnest and emotional than I had anticipated. I apologize. 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Vertigo (1958) w/ special guest Ted Walch

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Vertigo (1958) w/ special guest Ted Walch

"I'm Max Baril and this is classic movie musts where every week we breakdown a classic movie opening credits are filmed this week is one dollar you can cancel anytime so please consider subscribing and check out our episodes on these modern classics future episodes Dot Com Slash classic movie musts thank you for joining me this week as we discuss the hitchcock masterpiece vertigo in this episode in our feature Friday ready to complement your weekend movie viewing plans did you know that we have a patron exclusive show called Classic Presentation We welcome back Ted Walsh to the podcast to help break down this remarkable hitchcock thriller but first let's get into this week's movie must double feature this show costs one dollar per month and releases every Tuesday to all patriotic subscribers. The show is retires Scotty tries to conquer his fear but his friend and ex-fiancee Midwood says that another severe emotional shock may be the only vertigo which was directed by Alfred Hitchcock and was released in nineteen fifty eight vertigo stars Jimmy Stewart and Kim Novak after a rooftop chase your an acquaintance from College Gavin elster asks Scotty to follow his wife Madeleine played by Kim Novak claiming that she is in to Muir Woods and Cypress point where Madeleine runs down towards the ocean Scottie grabs her and they embrace madeline recounts in nightmare and Scottie identifies some sort of danger Scottie reluctantly agrees and follows madeleine to a florist where she buys a bouquet of flowers then to the mission San Francisco de sec data who he fears is possessing that Lynn is Madeleine's great grandmother although Madeleine has no knowledge of this and does not remember the place she has visited Scott include movies like there will be blood and inception of course our normal Friday show rolls on unchanged I hope you check it out subscribe a Patriot where his fear of heights and Vertigo result in the death of a policeman San Francisco detective John Scottie Ferguson played by Jimmy Stewart the same structure as our normal show but for movies released from the year two thousand to the present and that I believe are destined to go down in the film books as Class Chris of a wealthy married man and bore his child the otherwise childless man kept the child and cast aside Gavin reveals that Carla Details Madeline to four point and when she leaps into the bay he rescues her the next day Scottie follows madeleine they meet and spend the day together they the hotel but investigation she does not seem to be there a local historian explains that a lot of L. Dez committed suicide she had been the six this week's double feature episode is on night crawler so if you subscribe on patriotic you can get four bonus episodes per month for just even does not fault Scottie but Scottie breaks down becomes clinically depressed and is in a sanatorium almost catatonic after release Scotty frequency yes and the grave of one Carlotta Valdes and then to the Legion honor art museum where she gazes at the portrait of Carlotta he watches her it's setting as mission San Juan Batista Childhood Home of Car Lada he drives her there and they express their love for each other madeline suddenly runs into the a church up the Bell Tower Scott halted on the steps by his Akra Phobia sees madeline plunged to her death the death is declared a suicide places that Madeleine visited often imagining that he sees her one day he notices a woman who reminds him of Madeleine despite her different appearance Scott follows her and freshly killed body in the apparent suicide jump but judy rips up the letter continues the charade because she loves Scottie they begin seeing each other wife as part of a murder plot judy drafts a letter to Scottie explaining her involvement Gavin had deliberately taken advantage of Scottie's Akra Phobia to substitute his wife's she identifies herself as Judy Barton from Salina Kansas a flashback reveals that judy was the person Scottie knew as madeleine she was impersonating Gavin's it remains obsessed with Madeleine and asks judy to change her clothes and her hair so that she resembles madeleine after judy complies hoping that they may finally find happiness together he notices her wearing the necklace portrayed in the painting of Carlotta and realizes the truth and Judy had been mistress before being decide just as Carlotta was Scotty insists on driving judy to the mission there he tells her he must reenact the event that led to his madness amid joining us for today's feature presentation the Master is Back Ted Walsh is one hundred greatest movies of all time now don't look down because it's time for our feature presentation Phobia Judy confesses that Gavin paid her to impersonate a possessed Madeline Gavin faked a suicide by throwing the body of his wife from the Belltower Judy falls to her death Scott Bereaved again stands on the ledge while the figure a nun investigating the noise rings the Mission Bell Five Million Vertigo was nominated for two Academy Awards it was nominated for best sound mixing and Best Production Design Vertigo is currently number nine on af when he now understands that Madeleine and judy are the same person Scottie forces her up the Bell Tower and makes her admit her deceit Scottie reaches the top finally conquering his begs Scottie to forgive her because she loves him he embraces her but a shadowed figure rises from the trap door of the tower startling judy who steps backward and Oh had a budget of two point five million and brought in about seven point three million at the box office adjusted for inflation to budget of twenty two million in a box office around sixty anniversary because this episodes coming out in October and it was last October that we did a whole month on the films of Alfred Hitchcock and so this is kind of a month because we recorded our hood episode back in August and it's now bordering on late September so what feels like for me I haven't seen you in ages that's all right good and I'm a convert which makes it even more remarkable when I first saw the movie God knows how many years ago I was not a fan welcome back to the show nice to backs so to give the audience a little bit of a behind the scenes on our production the audience will have actually just recently I think we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA have to delve into that because I think that might be an interesting line of conversation before we get into this of course this is also a a nice art episode on Hud so for them they're actually getting Hud and today's episode pretty much back to back but for you and I we haven't actually seen each other anyway today we are delving into a masterpiece a classic and if I'm not correct me if I'm wrong but one of your favourite film masterpiece and that masterpiece here but if you'd like to hear our episodes on the thirty nine steps notorious rear window and psycho conversation around Vertigo I'd like to start the conversation at the moment that I discovered something about this film this would sound ridiculous for me to say that because the audience would be like what you're talking about Max he was on two weeks ago welcome to the world of the podcast and welcome to the reality return to the hitchcock classics and so if you want to hear those I think those are four of our my very favorite episodes of course barring your episodes Ted I live in Israel Mex- what I mean what is what's what's a dream you know I feel like I'm feeling like I'm spinning out of control here those came out as episodes twenty six through twenty nine of classic movie must so do check those out but today we are talking about vertigo and instead evolved this chase and he ends up sliding off the roof and hanging onto a gutter and a man dies as a result of a fall suspended something then the movie starts really to work and whether it's all a dream or real or all right next to him the vertigo sets in and the next thing we see Scotty in an apartment with his friend Midge and I didn't make the discovery the discovery was there for me to make it's not as though it was an original discovery at all but how did he escape how in the world there was no visible means no visible way for him to get out of that jam hanging from the gutter way up high which if you think of yourself as the viewer throughout the whole movie hanging in the state of as if you try to break this film down realistically moment for moment plot for plot it doesn't really work that way it only works if you're in this found a way into the movie that worked for me and that way in is simple the very beginning of the film we see Scott we're caught in some lemon allstate between the two it works but it only works for me on that level because our point of view I take this film very literally at its title with this sense of Vertigo which is this condition rooted a detective who can't trust his eyes and his ears but cinema itself is very much an art of the eye and the ear and how is me this film is one of perhaps Hitchcock's richest films the most ripe for analysis and dice the eye and the ear and kind of a missed synapse if you will between those two things and I think you can draw out a tremendous amount of irony obviously lets you kind of start the conversation around this film whereas convert as as someone who uses one of his very favorites where do you like to start it's certainly a relevant question I like I like that as a as throughout the film we are put in the eyes this film because I think I'm somewhere close to that in the sense that I think this is one of Hitchcock's as I said it's I mean you go through his because what happens in vertigo particularly to smart kids and smart audiences period is you can't help but ask yourself some very practical questions for example Gavin Ulster's plot about twenty four things had to go a certain way in order for the desired salt and it just doesn't make any logical sense whatsoever that everything worked out the way it was supposed to work out action and at the same time I find it to be one of his least entertaining films that's a perfect way to put it and as you know of Scottie to observe all of this so I think that's an apt metaphor of us kind of hanging there from that rain gutter throughout this film and I think I kind of come at it from a similar lots of questions but they also see in my core psycho and they find that immensely more entertaining just moment for moment more entertaining how on earth does he get down from that rain gutter that looks like it's about to break at any moment and his best hope for survival just plummeted to his death doc going to play with those things but I'm a little bit curious and it might be a good place to kind of also start the conversation with this as you're saying where you're a convert and you've saved the masterpiece to less exact well I think there are all kinds of masterpieces that's that's the hard thing with hitchcock where you're just like film after film like well this in the museum there's nobody else in the graveyard there's nobody on the street outside of Ernie's when he goes into the restaurant almost dreamlike state so that's why I'd like to start the discussion I think I think that's very apted Izzo question I certainly asked myself every time I watched this movie and Scotty is obsessed he is drawn to her beauty he has drawn to her magic something about her drives him article explanation but it takes it takes some time to do that to figure all that out so I think we are told all the way through the filmography and it's masterpiece after masterpiece he was fantastic film in fact you just mentioned my absolute favorite and that is notorious mine as well yeah we're we're on the same page take a step back and say well isn't that the point I agree with you I mean I think the first time I watched this film in certain ways you're a little infuriated watching this right and I think hitchcock gives us clues along the way that you know what of course it's not gonNA work out the way it it it's going to work et Cetera et Cetera et cetera that makes no sense where are all the people now sometimes he loads the street with people but very rarely it's as though yeah I mean doesn't it doesn't doesn't get better than notorious except for maybe some of his other movies which anyway we're GONNA go around in circles anyway except that it does for example when Madeleine's in the hotel and then she's not in the hotel I how did she get there well I can give you Scotty and his pursuit period that's it yeah I I get caught up I think we're we're in many ways use crazy and when you are so obsessed everything else goes away the only thing that's there is the object of Europe Ori don't go there don't try to make this be a logical journey you are caught in this I keep going back to this and this limited state this white car is everywhere she goes in parked in the same alleys and parked on the same at the same every location and literally the guy is standing feet away from her and that's where I'm GonNa leave you just like Scotty is left also when you here's something about smooth absolutely fascinates me there's nobody else it makes so much sense now and this film it fails every logic tests from beginning to end and it's easy to get caught up on it until you as you say be like the scene of them at the at the graveyard right and she's literally standing foot away from him and doesn't look to the right and magical and so not realistic that you are invited into its world I love the people who say I used to live in San Francisco they say it's the best the ripeness of this film the Palette of this film both the visual and the audio palate are so is this and then she does against her and I'm skipping ahead to here but that's okay she does fall in love with Scotty and she didn't mean to let's go in all its beauty and all its hills and all of its magic but San Francisco the Real San Francisco is not what vertigos about obsession and therefore you even would miss if there were any clues you were supposed to have seen or what not and of course logic clearly we can go here madeline wants to be followed if you think about it that way if you want it because she's doing her job but even so there is the museum with nobody in the Palace of the Legion for example he's the only other person in the room and win the guard does appear it's almost as if the acts because you used to be a my class I teach film studies to High School Smart High School seniors you were once a smart high school are like come on he's the worst detective he's following too closely right I mean he's constantly trailing her at some point she hasn't noticed manifested out of the shadows he answers a question and then just magically leaves and here's my take on this if you are obsessed that's where this film comes to a little bit more of its glory is when you start to rethink those details where it's I come back to you say he's obsessed I agree completely and and that's really at the end of the film obviously great films at by the end cause you to look back at everything that took place and question it and maybe rethink it and his inability to perceive what's going on around him he and we the audience mistake this movie for a ghost story when it's a murder to a hitchcock thriller of the details of this clue leading to this thing and you're like the puzzle the puzzle together of all these pieces and you're like Oh my God where the film starts to get very rich where you start to rethink those scenes where you're like she's a he's right there you're following too close or all of these moment what's who convenient and when he does come to the conclusion that it's a murder mystery right he comes to that conclusion extremely quickly he goes from ghost story too it's about what we think San Francisco it's a it's a tourist's journey through samples xactly thank you you're seeing the you're seeing the tourist attractions percent and we have established at this a man with an affliction that compromises how he perceives the world and it leads to an obsession and at the Oh you idiot you're a detective you should know better and you're unable to see that it's all set up for you to think of it that right and that's this is quite literally we are we are in the car following from his viewpoint towards the at Ernie's bar we are seeing her through his gaze one hundred come back to the vertigo right he cannot trust his eyes nor his ears so for me nor can we and and we are often put in history thank you and he cannot see he so gets immediately caught up in the fact that what is she really Carlotta Valdes right now no and one of the things you alluded to it perfectly the the beauty of this film that I did use the word juicy ripe ripe as the word you use the same time what really where the film crystallizes for me and it's kind of hitchcock's great turn of this movie is that because of there's at a certain moment now that moment could have happened later it could have happened earlier but we are given the discovery so that the remain first thing is hitchcock labored long and hard about when to do the big reveal in other words when to let Scotty no my best my best friend killed his wife in the blink of an eye and you're like well so all of the information was kind of there for she's acting she's ignoring you she knows you're there a foot away from her because who couldn't know you were there a foot away from her and movies ever filmed in San Francisco to get to know San Francisco and the answer to that is both yes and no yes you get to see San Francisco he tells us Yes judy tells she didn't know she told us yes she doesn't know but I think those minutes in between us the audience know over we see the and he just didn't see them that's why I go with that or were they all constructed to be empty and they're both acceptable answers to me which is that clearly the US no no no when she writes the letter yes okay you're absolutely correct when she writes the letter we find out then we wait for Scotty to discover then that judy is the one who was Carlotta right and therefore when Scotty discovers it then we the audience meaning whatever it is thirty minutes of the film if it's that I haven't timed it we are dying to find out when Judy is GonNa really is that now he knows what Ted Ted forgive me but it's in fact the reverse of that situation yes we find out because elements of suspense because follow me down this road the I I mean I'm going to refer to this I don't know exactly how many minutes in Judy writes that letter that tells go downhill no and I think that is exactly how they would put it they are fascinated they want to ask tom goes off that you didn't know was there whereas suspense is you're the audience know the bomb is there but the characters don't well Scotty discover we have all of those point of view shots from Scotties perspective because we are perceiving the world through his eyes and behind this whole mystery is extremely wealthy he could close down a museum for a day I suppose so he could hire a guard to go give them a book he can pull that dodge at the hotel rudy telling us the audience but Scotty still not knowing or the most interesting minute I'll buy that because that's where I think you get a lot of mechanic is how many layers until he can transform judy into madeline right and so it's the dresses and it's the shoes and what's the most events starts to evolve around this how is he going to figure out that Judy is madeline and and that's where it gets very he does he is still now it is a key shift where up until that moment we have exactly much as much information he does now we have more information so this is mckittrick hotel exactly I mean if you pay off the lady and it all Kinda works okay couple of things that come out of this and I love the way you just put that act it there's been conversations about like miss casting surrounding this film and Hitchcock somewhat blaming James Stewart over the first choice was for the the suspense but the up until when Judy writes that letter and we the audience find out the twist of all of this that this is actually a murder mystery not go story daringly which by the way is really disturbing extremely it's extremely disturbed just leave it at that and to me in discover it so that we we can then follow the rest of the story with a degree of suspense I mean Hitchcock always said that surprise is when suddenly there's moral clarity and decency in order to allow this film to get as creepy as it does does that make sense I agree and I think those scenes are as you and you just didn't see it chose not to see it or ignored it and on a metaphorical level you almost wonder were all those places filled with people that's the audience but let's just sit for about ten minutes between that and the later discovery anyway it feels it feels like more than that and I think that's due to hitchcock drawing all that Kim Novak played sister and psycho it's miles it's very mild okay but it's not as good as Kim Novak no kidding that's the reveal I'm talking from then on we wait for Judy to we're on the same page yeah right but I think those minutes between mis perceiving the world through his eyes but once we read that or once we hear that letter from her we don't get point of view shots anymore that's because we have more information than Battlin is the and I want to take and if you look at it the first shot of Jimmy Stewart Scotty is interesting where it is going to films like notorious or rear window right I mean we have so much suspense around things like the scene in the it's not yet with with no people there with no lines and no traffic right that's the way to do it right I so I agree with you in all of those respects and Noor of notorious right like they're such classic time that Damn key the Damn Keefe you have these just expertly crafted McCann and it draws out the suspense and I think it's extremely it's almost a master of suspense having to Outdo himself time and time again where now the suspense the and letting us the audience in on it and here's the moment I want to talk about how you let the audience into a movie and how you is all her on I agree and I think but if I'm not mistaken hitchcock was also critical of of Jimmy Stewart for being too old at this we are linked at that moment in the film there we are the two of US audience and Scotty Hooked and we're going to start following him looking toward her the next shot the camera leaves him and takes us toward her that the timing of the reveals in this movie and Hitchcock labored long and hard about when he was going to do what the time of saying this is going on over here and we see he's running out of champagne glasses over there and when will these two worlds meet and they're getting closer and they're getting closer vest with madeline and then the camera joins it so that scotties point of view and our point of view become one and we are both you and the what you absolutely correctly point out about the note I'm I was talking about the later revealed right but it doesn't matter honest to the visual images and if we could I'd like to say a word about Bernard Herman's score how film it is one of the great film scores Aunts and you start to say he's MIS perceiving it and we're because of that MIS perceiving it and isn't it as you say all live scenes I wanna take to a desert island with me if it had a DVD player or a projector or whatever the one at Ernie's when he first spots voyeur he had the camera the camera has a voyeuristic tendency he allows us to sneak through windows he allows us to follow where we shouldn't be following to see things we shouldn't be seeing that and vertigo capitalizes on that magically by adding all that right I think the verdict is going to get taken down from number one now in the movement that we're in and the whole the whole way of looking at men becoming while looking to provide artistic insight and historical context at the very least we'll talk about what makes these movies classics Classic Movie Must Releases Every eight directors said that the camera is your best friend and hitchcock repeatedly in all of his movies likes to make us the obsessed with women in a certain way I mean that's a whole argument you can have about Vertigo I wanna go back how how long before we're not allowed to watch this movie I want to go back to hoop the audience without you without US realizing we're being duped one of my absolute favorite scenes in all of film I always say that they're you're saying like well but it's Jimmy Stewart if Jimmy Stewart first of all you picked him you knew how old he was as your fault not I think we need Jimmy Stewart's perceived yeah I love it yeah you're you're you're absolutely you're absolutely correct in that and you know Sidney Lumet we are not we are not in his point of view we are not in his visual journey we are given a visual journey of our own and we become abs of all time and the only other great films of all time are also by Bernard Hermann usually for hitchcock so it's either psycho or vertigo or be as they are as well because of the age difference that exists here and I think it amplifies all the more of him molding her back to this take your pick north by northwest what I love most about the score is the swirls in the music are just like the swirls in the story are like the swirls in the back of Madeleine's hair are like the swirls in and here's the other shout out we have to give to Saul Bass for his together I mean you're talking about the score I love this scored in the sense that it it pays proper attention to all yes those two working together they understood each other's language I think hitchcock had the smarts to let Herman loan let him do it's done that well that wedding between hitchcock and Herman that is one of the Great Artistic Unions of the twentieth century and film that latter portion when now we know Scotty knows and now Judy's the one who doesn't quite know yet right I mean it it suits scoring and music is is the kind of the art to me that is beyond all other I can't even really put words to it they keep switching order but guess what they have in common scores by Bernard Herman and I'm going to give the nod say okay hitchcock and of those things and the only way I think it can suit all of those elements in one cohesive score is exactly as you say it needs to swirl enough to incorporate bits of each happening to this woman what what is this psychological affliction it is so lush in the romantic moments when we when we first the top I mean it just it works right and then it's so tense and much more like a thriller that we expect as right yeah it's all it's all kind of laid out laid out and Saul Bass knew exactly what what's going on here yeah the different tones of this movie right I mean it is that's really put it is solar eerie yes at times in the ghost story elements of what's at any given moment so that it can then go in this direction it can swirl over here and be romantic it can swirl and eerie and it suits all of those things and it's offers like Broward Herman and John Williams these people elevate movies they do beyond level of conversation and I'm GonNa Jonny Greenwood for we'll be blood discover madeline at Ernie's the music could not be more lush Mandolin Ernie's their kiss at the beach waves crashing are you kidding is so over and by the way isn't it interesting that the first two films on the BFI list of greatest films of all time our citizen Kane and Vertigo one thing you have to trust him I mean all you have to do is watch citizen Kane and see what Herman brought to that to realize that Herman's going to give you his best my new favorite out fair enough it's but there's no question the impact that truly kind of transcendent music can have and this is a movie that has that speaking of those swirls right for conversation and at the same time it's the kind of movie where I find my mind wandering at points like okay let's just move on and I said well as you to move over you just oh huge debt of gratitude to what Herman does for your movies now there's no question that when you look at compose wander a little faster maybe right as they are constantly wandering but yes what about kids once said about vertigo but this is again it comes back to me with this film and where I still I think I'm conflicted on the inside where I I really do think this is a film so ah fragrance I mean to me we are aligned with Scotty I never feel more aligned with Scotty than the scene when he's following Madeleine back let's go let's go but anyway to me there's so many masterful touches in this film details that well this guy just keeps driving around San Francisco if he gets into his car one more time starts driving I'm going to start screaming and I understand that response to me they they are they remain tremendous details except for the fact that once you realize how many of them there are then they kind of lesson to a whole its moments speaking of the swirl which is obviously such a theme of this film I mean you have these amazing moments zone apartment and he's getting exasperated by the number of turns she's making and he's just like throwing his hands up like again another turn and like I'm there as well kind of like ah I know we're touching on so I mean that is what what it is and where I think the film kind of thrives on reflection right is all of these details and how they kind of swirl out of one scene and then you'll swirl in to assume a panorama of San Francisco but swirling the opposite direction so you go from right after you swirled clockwise into a swirl you know he's he's putting you in that discombobulated sense of vertigo and when he first starts tailing her outside her apartment building and her car her green car the color green we can just acknowle swirl clockwise counterclockwise and you feel the as the audience the disease that comes with that immediate conflict of swirling one way to the swirl than the other I mean you feel that and it's hard to put words to until you realize what he's doing or small moments like her almost bleached halo that surrounds her when she finally comes out of the bathroom with blonde hair at the end I mean or when she emerges toward the end of the it's those details and green is everywhere and I do but I think it is worth noting mood that it kind of sets the color Palette of what he is it it's everywhere and then we move on from there okay her green car is pointing to the right and we have a one way traffic sign pointing to the left and acknowledge this the big big big theme which reaches its climax when she comes out of the bathroom looking completely like me like in the bookstore where you're like is my TV okay but but it is very much the or the the kind of trying things in this film that I can't maybe you have another candidate but this one strikes me as as the one where he's taking some bigger risks it is I mean there's so many moments some moments that don't necessarily age as well the darkening of frames very suddenly in the bookstore or has he sees fit and for nineteen fifty eight where you're like what what can we do storytelling and color anew kind of a fairly being wagner original intentionally so and he means for the informed viewer to make that connection Yup and I love that I have a question even and he really tries to honor that there there by the way of speaking of the music I wanted to add one of the thing and Herman Freely Ernie Saint to she has that kind of that same kind of bleach look no question and there's no question I mean hitchcock went through this with a fine tooth comb altering so we get love and death at the same time and Herman really he's not he's not cannibalizing the music but he is completely honor no it's based on a French book called from among the Dad for example which is very sort of impressionistic and and Sir Realistic and for you please you have a moment in the film that you find uncomfortable and creepy apart from the whole Phil I made I mean to realize that he disrobed her right yeah and her clothes are hanging in his kitchen and and that is that is potentially he tries to kill herself in quotation marks he takes her wet back to his apartment yeah okay and then she wakes up mation and by the way that apartment has more green in it than any apartment in human history has had unless someone yeah yeah I mean like it it would probably be certainly in the ladder segments as he's molding her to be and I think it's finally come back with the platinum blonde hair okay and she's done everything right smile aware the clothes she's got the awkward moment we don't see the disrobing as well we shouldn't made all the more awkward in a way because we didn't because we're the ones that are supplying that missing new and up and coming art it's very interesting what he does this is certainly his most up for lack of a better word his most experimental film he to me it's it might come down to the moment it's kind of a a dual moment really those scenes I find deeply disturbing when she does when she does come back and then he just fully embraces her and kisses her it the contrast between those two moments of like really was just cameras ends and vertigos sets it okay my my creepiest moment okay I agree with all of those and they're very creepy is when after she blonde hair and all he can do is say I told them to do the hair like this why wouldn't the hair be like this and it is I need the swirl I need the swirl and then of course pounds the disturbing because you are absolutely right it is deeply unsettling I get that you don't want her to put her to bed in like white close but still and the plot is moving along as Gavin wants it to but you know what it's so that's not how even the second time through I watched the movie the second time you see the movie and go but of course judy is getting only what she is supposed to this is what's supposed to be happening a strange man's apartment but you know you left it distance enough that she has to wake up and then get dressed then play it all back he has after a study of okay we haven't talked about this there is the perfect girl for him woman for him she's wonderful if I if I make myself watch that way that I can think about it that way but that's not really what hitchcock here he is after a study of obsession are being like I love that dress and hinting like the the young women in my class are really they really get upset about that as well they should as well they should but isn't that the story of all of our lives we never fall in love with who were as opposed to fall in love with I absolutely and I I'm a big fan of how the Barbara Bel Geddes plays her they don't get better than Barbara Bel Geddes why in the world isn't he just going to her and forgetting this obsession right it's so disturbing it's one after another I mean like quite right I find he says I love what he says what why would you mind have to climb stairs and suffer Vertigo and try and triumph over that but to me I watched that moment in that film in the early in the league I I'm sorry I need more information we need more information and hitchcock is to exact not to have given us spillman introduces their relationship I think it's very self rich for rental the opening scene of him and her in her studio or who exactly I mean on the one hand all of it if it isn't all do you have a moment particularly gets me clearly I have one but you were hanging from a gutter with no visible means of escape and if you fell all you did was kind of like hurt your yes yes by the point that you've disrobed her completely you could go the extra step and put the robe on her wake up naked in your deeply unsettling just in terms of what you're talking about in in more of a conversation of gender dynamics how much he just silence in disregards it kind of wall by yourself I watch the step ladder sequence to me I mean first of all it is nicely symmetrical with the film he will at the end of the film of course for unless he intended not to give us more I think he wants US hanging in a limited state throughout the whole movie I always in those kind of moments and there's a few moments has that little moment of discovery she she she immediately realizes that what I find disturbing about that scene is that he laid the robe for her on the bed yes because I'm going to give you have given you just enough information I'm going to give you those close ups of his feet going one step up his overconfidence and you and you are there on the edge of your seat details in this film that I do I come back to the quote of the famous Hitchcock Hitchcock quote about movie making these thrillers being life with the boring see the anguish and like self loathing that she is experiencing in that moment I was trying to make yeah I hair color right it's I mean the scenes in the in the department store to me are went of confidence to give you what is a slow seen of him climbing a step stool and say no I'm GonNa make it suspenseful you're going to be on the Spence Watch climb and say that's Hitchcock Sang I'm going to make the dullest possible thing walking up a kitchen step stool I'm GonNa make it suspenseful who's just obsessed with green I wanNA come back to the television screen is green right so the pillows I mean everything's great what and what I find equally I mean what just kind of certain moment to simply leaves the movie Yes she's just gone and it's after he's gone through psychiatric thing listening to the music she correctly says be the tragedy that this is the movie would be a kind of a practical story and we'd we'd follow this that and the other thing by the way did you notice midge after Adeline the way he needs for her to look is based on Ricard Wagner Tristan and his alda a love and death themes moment because it again it's either hitchcock saying this is life with the boring bits cut out and you don't need to see how he emerges six months to a year of what's the movie is if I don't want to get to esoteric here but the midge movie would be a good melodrama but it would areas image movie where she's following Scotty like when we see her drive up to his apartment and the this story is happening one stage removed joke but I'm also jealous but I try to bring him back in and you realize I'm on her side her movie but she is equally obsessed about to the doctor and he's still in love with her and there's nothing you can do about it and moten nothing I can do about music is not going to help but see I batra treatment but six months to a year of psychiatric treatment is summarized in one pan of San Francisco and then we see him walking down the key change and Bernard it's going to fall out the window is he gonNa fall what's going to happen he's GonNa fall by the way I love most about that scene as we find out he has a cane and his leg hurts and I go the really scary and that transition where we'd never see her again leaving the psychiatric hospital to me it is also one of those dreamlike into inconclusive interpretation but it is to me that is a very uneasy transition of him he's been institutionalized it's not going to be like Madeleine life is never the Madeleine's of this world yes well and if it is they're gonNA do a number on you that exit from the movie down that corridor just just watch how she leaves the movie as opposed to the way that Madeleine always entered midge which is this is a movie about Scottie's obsession but it's when he comes over to her apartment and she the movie and reenters the movie whether she's Judy or Madeleine by the way back to the very first time I saw this movie and I was honest I was quite young in specific by the way and then immediately he's mistaking this woman for Madeline and it is a moment of like well at this point onward are we just let's cut out right and it doesn't matter how he got down it doesn't matter exactly what his injury is we're moving on but to me I mean that is such a supreme twenty six months to a year that's no small feat and he said that without knowing he was in love I could say to your viewers if you watch the movie again watch midges word she was the big deal picnic for example that didn't get better than Kim Novak we're all sort of struck with Kim Novak and is he just in the psychological institute still like is this all we don't know I don't know it could be could not be I think it's quite and as I continue to look and teach the movie I go way deeper than the superficial into hitchcock's per fervor and I was confused and and then when Judy comes in by the way when I first saw the movie Kim Novak was a household our obsessions and I don't care who you are or what you like we all have obsession. Here's Judy I'm going wait a minute that's that's also Kim Novak what's going on in this movie I really I kind of went hook line and sinker into the superficial game that hitchcock is playing with me as I have gotten older I'm a down to Earth Guy about many things I'm on midges side I want to say to Scotty that's the woman for you you could have a very happy life together because this movie is a rich adventure in our libidos our subconscious nineteen fifty-eight to see that moment play out because as someone who grew up you know obviously very familiar with the work of Kim Novak but she's not contemporaneous star a yellow step stool the least the least intimidating thing out there by the way it's all in how he frames it absolutely and the other aspect with good imagination his own obsessions as we know we have you we could get all psychological about that but I think that cheapens the movie and I don't WanNa go there me just is like his rear window to he's there with the cane and the course Eddie's game on the little step ladder where the shots get tighter and you actually start going to play this game with us and frankly I think what hit him if if consciously or subconsciously I don't know but I think what hit him very well said very well said and it is it is one of those moments that reveal of now judy I'm curious like you know it's like I'd like to have been in the theater that this is a different kind of mystery this is a police related mystery not an abnormal or paranormal related mystery that he's still so obsessed in loss back to those two reveals that we've been talking about what if he had time those differently what if he really thought about trying to move them even later into the story how long was he and I think it's good for the film to take a turn at that point into now saying again reinforcing the idea that this man is so was this is getting as you so beautifully put it so damn creepy about when he's in the department store and feel like a director like shocked wash this movie and said like oh I've got some ideas on how to take the senator but home I like to me it all comes together it is just a neon green illuminating his face and to me that is like the moment of just like audience can't see me now but I'm smiling in this film is when you midge leaves she has this confed and the just the walls of the psychiatric institute our thanks in like and then once you realize it is back is like is it actually the same when we've been seeing all along or is this story taking another weird turn of reincarnation what I've got to do something here or else the audience is going to get to disturbed with themselves right I think that's fair that's totally valid in waiting for her to come back from the hair salon that all beauty of green is gone and we just have that neon green he d because the the beauty is incomparable Y- entire kind of tone and mood for this movie is established in the Color Palette up so obsessed or as so Atlanta's for haunted his senses are so betraying him back to the I mean I do come back to the green the theme the mood of this film we so clearly obviously associated her with green that to me I can't help it and it's the one surprise of the movie right in film of suspense the surprise she is alive and this is actually a murder mystery and this is a good point too right I mean there's no question her dress early on car his apartment as we see to me one of the most chilling moments of told Greene thank it's not a vibrant it's just depressing green and it all comes to a head obviously you have this very radiant Radi but it's a lush green the dress when he sees judy and I love it when this his psychological state goes so far downhill uh I'm curious your take when that shadow emerges that catches judy off guard and she plunges to her death I mean this has to be one of the most tragic endings of that hitchcock has worked with but to me that is yet again of all the places this directions it's yeah and they're all going to be as kind of haunting and musical in vivid and magical and scary and creepy as this one that he could be staring the same woman in the face and not realize it's her and this man is a detective going back to that again to say that it still hasn't hit him on the ending of the film the the second ascent up the Bell Tower I you know it's to me it's edit now get it now has to have that and I urge everybody if they can possibly be sure you stream this in the highest death or get a Blu Ray d and by the way I want to go back and go dude she's wearing a green dress so I I know she's made to be like but like is it the same accident gotta get a new job you're a bad detectives at least one of the session hits you yes and you know it is it is deeply disturbing and came to love the movie was I think it was about twenty five years ago when the movie had been restored and was joining feels the paint orange as a Lotta mid Java I guess you'd say but when he leaves you see you saw in the theater the magic of the Color Palette of this film and the restoration that accompanied it you went uh-huh she was my big deal right at the beginning the first time I saw this movie

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DC Vertigo Panel (New York Comic Con 2018)

The Writers Panel

55:23 min | 2 years ago

DC Vertigo Panel (New York Comic Con 2018)

"Forever. Hey, everyone. It's me Ben blacker the host of this program. You knew that who else you're gonna hear who else is gonna pop in. I should have a guest introducer someday. Anyway, listen, today's episode is a special one. It was the vertigo comics panel that we recorded at New York Comecon. I apologize to all of you who are sick of hearing about vertigo and heck's wives and the new DC vertigo line, but too bad. It's still my podcast. They haven't taken it away from me yet. And also I think it was a really cool conversation about writing to a specific medium why we all chose to tell our stories in that medium as well as telling personal stories in a very mainstream medium like vertigo as part of DC. And that's one of the two biggest comic companies. And DC's part of Warner Brothers and like the fact that the creators on this panel are getting to one tell personal stories, which I know for heck's wives. It's certainly true for me, but also get into tell sort of subversive stories are getting to tell stories that are about social issues that are important to us is kind of crazy, right? Like the Batman superman movie didn't get to do that. But in comics, we get to do that and it is thanks to in in many ways. It's thanks to the editor of vertigo who's moderating this panel. Mark Doyle who really encouraged all of that who you know whenever was bringing their pitches in. These are the ones he responded to. The rest of the panel is fantastic. I was lucky just to be a part of it. We have author cat Howard who in addition to writing prose novels is writing one of the Sandman books books of magic, Dan waters who. Delightful and understated, fellow, his writing Lucifer, which I'm going to talk more about next week. We also had some of the other vertigo writers. Zoe Quinn who has got us mode coming out in December and Tina horn who has safe sex coming out. I think in the spring as well as rob Sheridan who is primarily graphic designer, who's getting to write this stuff and just loves the world building of comics. His book high level comes out in January, I believe might be February. But anyway, it's early next year and it's really cool. It is a book that no one has been able to tell me what it's about, but as soon as you read it and I've gotten to read the first issue, you're like, oh, I can't wait to read twenty five issues of this to see the world that he's created. So I hope you enjoy this again. It's it's a little bit outside of our usual stuff, but we do talk about writing and process and you know, writing from your heart and all that bullshit. So. Please enjoy it and Owen, hey, heck swabs is out on Halloween, please pick it up day right dates. Right. Flagger and it starting. That was intense. I thought I needed more coffee. No, I don't. I everyone thanks for coming out. My name is Mark Doyle, and I'm the executive editor of DC vertigo. Vertigo has been in the press a lot recently because we're doing a lot of fantastic new books, and that's very exciting to see. So we're gonna talk about everything that you haven't read already in countless interviews and pieces that have been out there. And what I want to start talking about today is the Sandman universe of view chance to. Yeah, yeah. Okay. I'm incredibly excited about in universe. I San man is a book that I can say, change my life. I would not be standing here right now without San man. So when we had the opportunity to go back into the Sandman universe and expand on it until new stories in that world. It gave me an opportunity to think about kind of what I want to talk about today. What we're going to talk about with all the panel today is why comics, right? Why comics there's so many different ways to spend your time today. Right? So many distractions on constantly distracted, but yet we keep coming back to comics and we're all here to make comics all her talk about comics today. So that's what I wanna talk about. And specifically with the same in universe, there's so much story there and there are so many characters. You could tell these stories in so many different mediums, and I'm sure that will happen at some point right now. But what I wanna talk about is the same in universe and specifically Lucifer. So I'm gonna talk to Dan waters. Hi, Dan. Hello banks coming out. Thank you. You sound like a local boy. Are you local. Yeah, yeah. Wanna raise him Burton. So Lucifer is a fascinating character. And right here, you can see the brand new cover for Lucifer that we haven't shown. That's by the fantastic jock. We had an interesting opportunity where as we were developing the book we had covers earlier on and as developing the book, the style and the tone of books shifted a little bit, and we want something for the cover that was really dramatic and really grabbed people. And we had an opportunity to work with jock who's a terrific artists who have known for years. And he said, I have something new shot over sketch, and I said, yes, that would be fantastic. So that's how we ended up with this great new cover my question for you. Dan is with the devil. We've seen so many stories about the devil. So many different ways. So many different mediums. What can you do with Lucifer in comics that you can't do anywhere else. On the spot. I like the devil has always lent himself to Beijing media that you've, you've always had like your unanmous Bausch and. Much like William Blake stuff is just purely satanic. And I think like when you think about like paradise lost and stuff you is, you don't just think of the poetry, you think of those amazing engravings and. Yeah, he's just. Visu and say, you don't have the right much to that is amazing things as just page one. Hell, right. So you're lazy. That's that's. That's what I'm circling around. Yeah, it makes sense during the right place. But what's interesting you mention hell. And I think what's great about this angle and Lucifer. I mean there have been so many loose for stories and so many great Lucifer comics. When we were talking about what do we do with Lucifer? How do we make this Lucifer book different. Dan came up with this idea and this pitch, and basically Lucifer is looks like a ragged old homeless man and blind. And he's in hell basically, but it's a different hell. How do you create hell for the devil? Jor from personal experience. Put them in a small English village autobiographical. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Nobody. Honestly, I think that has been kind of the way in to the character for us thinking about what would be the worst him because he's always portrayed as Eva. This gorgeous blunt Bama thought Thomas, which is far of. Except blunt, but. He's, he's this absolute pinnacle of what any of us. Many of us would like to like, but he still really mad about it. He's really pissed off just having to exist and he doesn't have to go through any of the things that we do just as we age as we as life. So it takes us to marriage. So let's let's really put him for the ring. Let's have his body start to break down. That's have him really, really start to suffer in a way that he's never ever had before and see if changes his priorities you've done. Another thing with the last page that we just saw there was a character named decker who is detective in the book and LAPD detective, and he's also very angry at the world who who's he talking to in the space here. What the Cheema. Yeah, he's talking to a tumor latest this if you wanna weird book. I'm just saying I, if you can, if you can read the balloons there, but it's a very polite Chuma. Yeah. At least that. But the he's, he also has tremendous anger at the world, and I think you you've done that great sort of classic thing that Neil always did with him in which is there are the fantastic characters, but then there are the human characters who really show you the sort of depth and the emotions that are in the book in. So decker is a great character to POV character. I guess, kind of take us into this hell. Yeah. I mean, I really wanted to push the horror element of the book and say that what I was kinda thinking was if you actually had to live in the universe and you didn't know about magic and you didn't know about like all these wonderful things, you know, you didn't know about the world of fairy and Wisconsin, and suddenly this stuff starts happening to you'll basically living in a lovecraft did nightmare. Right? So really happy fun book. You guys should definitely check it out, but no it is. It's like, I love that. You're also playing a Bihar aspect of it that. Thing that we talk about a lot in the halls vertigo and you're really bring back. So it's cool to see the on the other end of the spectrum in the same in universe. Because that's the other thing too is that if you don't know this, it is a shared universe. These books are all existing in a way that you haven't seen before. So even if you've seen Lucifer before you read books of magic before this is different because they're all sort of connected and you can read each one of them individually and it's great and the rewarding on in their own way. But if you read them all together, you start to sort of see things a little sign, postal things say, oh my goodness, this is how things are connected. So Lucifer's on one end of the spectrum. And then on the total opposite on the spectrum you have with gory dead body. Oh, that's true. You're right. This book is dark as held to. I don't know. But books of magic and we have cat Howard here today to talk about books of magic. Welcome. This is my first common come. This is weird. This is your first Comecon yesterday. I'm so sorry. I, I could've worn you, you could've you could've been like, should I come. Kidding. Welcome. Welcome to one of the. Yeah, exactly. Well, and that's kind of what you did with comics, right? We just threw you into the deep end if you don't, if any of you don't know, cat is fantastic writer, fantastic novelist than we knew some of her work. And when we were looking at books of magic and trying to figure out a new way to approach this book. Editor Molly may hang came to me, and she said, I know someone who writes magic really well. And so then I started reading yourself and it was like, oh, yes, sense. And for those of you who don't know the story of books of magic and Tim hunter is basically he is a young magician who is either going to be the world's greatest magician or the world's greatest villain. It's all up to him and we start with this book. We've done a lot of different versions of Tim and a lot of different versions of books imagine, but we really brought this book back to its core and. If you've read the original game in mini series, this is sort of like the next evolution of that. And the thing I was thinking about when we just recently rap, I issue and I was thinking about this and I wanted to ask you, you know. Magic is something that we see in so many different places. And so many different stories again, doing comics and making this. This is your first comic. What can you do with magic here that you haven't been able to do in other? The fun for me is being able to bring it visually onto the page. I feel pretty good about words generally put dozens is together, and so when I've thought about magic before it's been okay, I need. I need magic words. I need compelling language and stuff like that. And now it's thinking about images or enough images that I give my absolutely brilliant creative team, Tom Fowler Jordan void to direction to say, okay, now can we levitated up here and make explosions over there at also it should Schumer like maybe somebody poured oil on the page will be no problem for you to draw. And that's basically how my scripts read. I'm so sorry. But it's it's really great because I feel like that visual on the page aspect combined with the emotions that the character, their feeling the great body language of the characters. It helps get really immersive for the reader. Cool. Now, I feel like it pulls in that way and so that's been really, really fun. One of the things I love about cats approach to books of magic. As you saw on the pages that we were just showing there. It's a high school scene. It's a kid dealing with high school drama, and I think that's something that everyone obviously can can relate to. And yeah, there's magic, but it's also, Tim is just trying to figure out how to be a kid and be a good kid and you do that really, really well, one of the things that I really wanted to do with this book just because we do get a lot of magic stories and not that that's bad more magic strays is great, but like the fact that he it's, he's thirteen year old kid, and this is a weird to find out at thirteen you might destroy now only your own universe, but like all the universes and you have an algebra exam right. You know. So it's like I really wanted to make sure both of those parts of Tim's life made it onto the page. You can see in the background that I plan on the first page is Ellie, who will become an important character to can you. Can you talk a little bit about how your been sort of writing there. I hesitate to say relationship, but you know. Tim is interested in Elliott MS interested in Elliott? Really nice girl. She she's sweet. She's cute. She's a smart girl. She Tim's a awkward kid. You know, he's not. He doesn't have any good lines. He doesn't have any good plays. I love you not in a creepy way. And so that's, you know, that's kind of fun to that whole little lake. I have feelings about this person that I have absolutely no idea how to articulate that and. Hello? Would you like present right. It's just left language. Basically his leveling is presence and trying to fix things in neither of them really go well for him. What he's trying. He's trying and we really hard. We love him for trying. Yes. So the Symon universe and. Lucifer books, magic the dreaming, and also house of whispers. This is the beginning of something really, really special. So if you haven't had a chance to check the stuff out, definitely go out, get these books. Read them all, read just a few, whatever you want. Just check them out because they're fantastic. But the same universe is just been the beginning of vertigos. This is pretty twenty fifth anniversary. You guys. Pause for laws pause for applause. So about a year ago, we kind of I came back to vertigo and we reform the editorial team, and we all sat around thinking big thoughts and said, what is to go? What are we want to do? What are we going to say? And it kind of led us out into the world to start talking to a lot of really interesting people who've never done comics before, and that's why we have some of our panelists here today because we went out and we said, let's find some new people. Let's find some people who are telling interesting stories in other mediums, and let's see if they wanna come to vertigo. And luckily when we call these people, they didn't just laugh or hang up. They said, oh, yes, yes, I wanna do pretty good book too. So we the in September the first brand new vertigo book order town came out. I don't know if you guys got channel order. Rave reviews, it sold out. I go book to sell out since two thousand thirteen. So we're very, very excited about that. It's a great book. Check that out. If you haven't yet, those guys aren't here today are can Ramon or busy making comic book, so they can be here today, but we do have the next new vertigo book out of the gate is a book called heck's wives. And then you have the you have the hard job of following up border town. Yeah. No, this is terrifying. Bordertown so good and Eric and Ramon are so talented, you know weight? Yeah, before I forget what we have stuff. Yeah, we have stuff to give away. We give away you guys. I was supposed to say that at the top and I forgot, but I remembered now. So it's okay. So stick around. We have free stuff that may or may not related to the heck's. I can't remember with definitely is it is read it, please don't read it, pick it up and then go on Twitter and say how much you loved it. Because I the pressure to follow bordertown and really the Sanmen books as well is overwhelming. And I don't want you to see this thing that we worked so hard on. To make things even more complicated if any of you know Ben's work. He's at a lot of interesting stuff and a lot of different interesting mediums. But experts is a little different than things that you've done in the past because ex-wives is is a drama. It's dramatic. Why? Why drama? Why not? I mean, comedy, you've working so many different genres before why do something that's more of a dramatic? Why drama? I don't know if you've been living in the world the past couple of years. I haven't. Nothing is foamy in. Everything's cool, right? Yeah, nothing. Nothing is funny anymore. I don't. I don't know about you all, but I'm I'm a bit heated up. This is what it looks like. You know, I've spent three or four years angry and you know thirty five years before that mildly annoyed. And I'm a white guy like I have it easy, and I've been angry and so was really a way to sort of channel that anger into. I won't say art. I will say craft. I would hesitate to call what I do art. I think it's a story well told I did what I can do, but my my collaborators both Merca doll fo and mersal Louise as well as the editors Molly and Maggie have made it into something great. But yeah, that's that's why not comedy is because there's there's too much say there's too much that's that could get lost among too many jokes, and I don't feel like making jokes anymore. That said, there's a lot of fun in some funny. There are a couple of characters who absolutely love to write. There's what do you guys know the look? It's about a covenant which is who doesn't know that they don't know that there which is and over the course of the first arc, they start to find out that they are, which is and are being held against their will by these men who fear them and therefore try to control them, get it. There are a couple of which is a couple of characters who I love writing. Do you know the singer, Liz? Oh, yeah. Based one of these characters on Liz. Oh, do follow her on Instagram do it? She's so funny. And so like and so joyful, even when people give her shit and she's just like, has a great sense of humor about it and we'll talk back. So there's a character who once you find out, she's a witch. She's like, fuck yes, this is the best I knew it. Like just just grabbing that power, and then there's another character who all the characters are sort of loosely based on pop culture, which is one of the jumping off points for the book was bewitched. So our main characters sort of cement the Stevens. Who like you guys seem young, maybe you don't know be witch. Samantha seemed like cool people. Yeah. You seem like the youth. Yeah, she was married to an adman and she was like living in suburbia, and she was this crazy powerful which, and her mother would come by and be like, you've married beneath you darling. And the mother was right. She should not have been worrying about getting dinner on the table for her husband and his boss. That's insane. But one of the other characters is based loosely based on Wendy, the witch from casper. In that mostly like Merca is an incredible designer. She designed the clothing and so she has like this red hoodie that she wears all the time. But this character is also funny in a different way to the lizotte character. She's funny in that she's a total bummer. Like she just hates being where she is, and guess what? That kind of anger and. Peevish nece has been fun to write us. Well, in this current climate, answer your question. Nothing's funny. Nothing. Yes, that answers my question. That's okay. We're gonna go where we just wear black and smoke a lot. The world is burning. Read comics. Yes, exactly. Exactly. But got us mode. Yes, we might have a free issue for you here today. Stick around. Yes, we do. We do have there's no reason to tease it. They're here. Oh, yeah, they're here. Sorry, they're here. We stick around. Do I hope you liked it? We've been working on this for a while and we're very proud of the work we have done and I'm just getting art for issue. Three in the thing just keeps getting better and better. So thanks for the opportunity. You're welcome. I do. I like what you said that don't read it. Just tweet about it. I think most people do on Twitter anyway. They don't read it. They just tweet about things. Hey, there's nothing worse than bad wifi. Life's too short. You're trying to stream video. You're trying to watch sports game. You're trying to download a podcast. This podcast probably and then you get bad wifi. I hate it. We all hate it, which is why I changed over to euro e. r. o. euro is a router, but it's not like any router you've used before you get total network protection Euro Plus offers the ability to block malicious and unwanted content across your entire network. It checks the sites. 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Why comics and more specifically, you know, when you when you doing something like building a game, that's such a sort of like long vision, right? Like it's it's so long in you're collaborating. So many people. I think we're really Zoe lives close to the DC office. So she gets come in a lot and we'll just talk story and kind of bounce ideas around you, see how sort of these were showing some pages right here from Gaza never seen. Yeah, never before seen. You're seeing now coming in the office and working with Robbie and everyone like it's, it's it's faster. Right. Would you say it's a lot faster? Like what's the main difference between the sort of speed of the world building that you're doing something like goddess mode? It's so nice to not have to wait five years to show everybody what I've been doing right, because I love I love making games and making these little tiny microcosm 's and both comics and games have a lot in common that they are bringing a couple of different disciplines together and the intersection of where those things come together is where it just provides so many interesting opportunities for storytelling that you don't get. And I've written nonfiction novel like experimented with a lot of other mediums. My only post-secondary education is dropping out of wrestling school. Every time I see her, I learned something new. How did I not know? How is that? Not the first thing I honestly feel like I should be leading with Ohio. I'm a wrestling school drop like a really a business card with lots of tiny. Honestly, I did get vertigo from that, but then the cool thing I think to especially that comics is the time difference is a bit more stretchy and with goddess mode. It's like I have to it's cyberpunk and magical girl nurse, like they're so easy to get bogged down in the BBB st- of kind of explaining cores and take techno babble where it's like, just let me show you this. It'll be cool. Then like communicating a lot of information in a very dense in visual ways, really nice and then also not having to do the nice thing about games is that you're more or less giving co authorship to this non MOUs. Any number of third parties that you'll never speak to or meet and letting them kind of tell their own stories. And this is like a bit more focused, and I can can guide attention in linear way which is really satisfying. But I just always wanted to do comics. I really loved it. My first mentor games, actually, it was like here, read understanding comics. I know that you're getting into games, but most of this is like the same stuff and it was really cool coming back to that after talking to you guys and be like, oh, it gets apply this, like the actual thing. Exactly. And is fantastic. This world is and you can see amazing art from rob a year. One of the things that really grounds it is your main character. Cassandra, what can you tell us a little bit about where she is in her life when we first meet her? I think I introduced my script as our tragic album protagonist, yes. I kind of wanted to do this. It's really for I kind of decided to go. I like let me do a magic building thing, a tech world building thing, and then also try to tell character focus story through that. No, no of uncomplicated going on there, but Cassandra, trying to basically where I'm pouring all these different characters are importing after four years of working in tech advocacy and trying to look at this thing where you know growing up specially rural isolated technology, basically being like magic to me, I'm being like the most important thing in the world and then watching how it gets used to destroy each other and is not sort of fulfilling that utopian ideal. I feel like we had in the nineties and try steer that it's like, I can't say a lot of what happened during my time in there. So I'm trying to scream it through fiction and all of these characters and these frustrations, especially because it's like when you work in. One of the things I like bell, the vertical books like we're all we've got like different takes on different aspects of society, minus focused on like the people that are like they know stuff is screwed up. They're trying to make it better. What the hell do you do that? Then you know, it's like one thing to know stuff is wrong. What do I need to fix it? And it's nother to be like, not only how do I do that? How do I not go crazy? Because people usually doing this and taking on all this heavy lifting are the people who are also suffering the most from it, and it's hard tell those stories in a way that doesn't like weirdly commodified suffering, and there's all these different like weird aspects of the tolls that it takes on the people that are trying to basically fix the car while they're driving it. And also the cars running them over somehow. So Cassandra and all of the girls are total messes. My favorite DC characters Harley coin. 'cause like she's a disaster. All my girls disasters. They're lovable dissolves. They're doing their best and it's like they, it's like, and I feel like that's just a thing that we have to kind of work with everybody being kind of everybody trying to make things better. We're all kind of screwed up anyway. How do we relate to each other without driving each other crazy? And also like how do we still treat each other? Well, while dealing with all of that. So you know, making a crazy world just to situate these characters in Cassandra, especially being the person who's like, I have so much. I have bills to pay. I have all these things going on, how am I supposed to fight like fight monsters and deal with like these things that are so much bigger than me when I feel so small and crushed by it. The type of world building that you're doing is one way to sort of tell futuristic story, but then rob, you're doing a very different kind of world building in your story, high level. You described this book as being set in a post post apocalyptic world, which is, which is interesting again, all of these all of these fantastic books start with these pitches that are just they're very sort of simple and clean, and we see so many pitches as editors. But when you come in with something that I'm like, oh, that's interesting. And when you started with a post post apocalyptic world, I was like, okay, all right. I'm listening. But then it's been really interesting watching you work because this is comics is a new medium for you to, but you have done a lot of world building whether it's online or through an album like you've done so much world building. What is different about building this world with a team of people that you're doing from your editor to yard? Is like, what? What's different about this kind of building that you're doing. I mean, well, here's some the first pages some pages today, which is exciting to see these come in every couple of days and just have my mind blown by how cool they look. I think the main thing is we've done a lot of in my career as art director. We do a lot of visual world building. We do a lot of storytelling and kind of abstract ways, and a lot of it is about just telling a kind of like. An abstract narrative that makes you feel something without really identifying specific narrative elements. So this was this was a fun opportunity to actually like take all of that and turn it into a real narrative. Something very cinematic and story base and character-driven. Whereas all the work done, this aren't director was very much about. Trying to convey something without any characters. Without any words, just just driving through an emotional journey and using visuals only now we get to actually build entire universe characters and have plot and structure and everything. So it's it's really fun. But even though you know you are. Again, it's a post post apocalyptic world where, but you're, I think, I think you you share some of Ben's anger little bit a little bit because I think that you know after the sort of initial setup, you start to sort of recognize how this world that's not that far away from our world. And you've you've constructed the sort of map map, say, map. Giveaways later, give. Anyway, you've constructed this sort of map where you get to sort of go through. It's like a now. I'm going to talk about this and now I'm going to talk about this, how you talk a little bit about. You've been, you've been on your own journey recently that sort of inspired this made you think like this is how I want to construct this story? Yeah. I mean this the whole story of the first arc of islands constructed in three significant Rx in the first one is is a is an adventure story journey. Kind of postponed Pakalitha growed trip, and that's because it was conceived while I was with my wife in an RV trip through the forest. We burning our lives down and restarting from scratch in the world was collapsing. It seemed around us and and a drew a lot of inspiration from that personal experience and also things that I was angry about in the world much like Ben was talking about, it's it's great to have an outlet where you can take all these things that you're frustrated about in the world around you and not just scream into the void and turn it into something fun. Turn it into a story that people might hopefully wanna read and by setting it post post apocalyptic. We've kind of distance ourselves as much as possible from current events right now. And yet we're still saying a lot right now and it's kind of fun because instead of like this story about how things go wrong in. In the future from now, we're showing how people have rebuilt the from the ashes of the American empire and creating what's almost like a completely scifi world because these people have rebuilt everything from scratch. There's no internet. There's phones that they just use scraps of technology in the rebuilt in the outland 's words, former middle America where it's too, too hot and deserty in stormy for anyone to live. But they've figured out a way to live in the wreckage of our society like LA. Yeah, I lived in LA too. But at least like electing high level because it makes me think like, oh, they're so there's something on the other side of this, like we could sort of build after this. Yeah, and it's it's not like I didn't. I I, my background was the last kind of big narrative project. I did was the store called zero, which was a very contemporary dystopia in story which fortunately now reads a lot more like the news and I didn't want it to be like that. I didn't want it to be oppressive dystopia thing. There's elements of that in the world as we move forward through it, but it at the beginning, it's a lot more about. It's a lot more about people who've lost the past and see the world that they've built without knowing their history. And we gradually unveil as the story goes on it. It's like a, it's a classic venture gets bigger and bigger and bigger as the character moves through the world. And you start to understand a little bit about what happened and that all ties back to where we are right now -absolutely. Tina. What's that high? Put you in the hot seat. That's cool. All right, we can. I say something really quick repor representation is so important. And so I feel like really touched by how vertigo is put so much time and energy into having characters that are babes with side shaves. Undercuts like a really is so important in the necessary. In these times, we have a lot of. Senior, your character with the colors like, oh, shit, senior already? Yeah. Because the the original, I don't know if the cover there, but the original cover that we had short haircut and part of it was. So I told Barnaby like at the beginning of the story maker have long hair because there's a part of the story that was kind of spied my my wife had at a bad time in our lives, just freaking out and just getting drunk and locking herself in the bathroom. Just cutting her own hair, all kind of like feel like there's nothing else you can control in the world. It's like sometimes you just do these things that make you feel like maybe you have some control over something. You start your feelings in your hair. There's a part in the first issue where she, she feels like her world is kind of like she's losing control of and things are happening that she's upset about. And she originally in the script she was going to cut in dire. So she was going to have the short haircut, and then is my wife said, you know, maybe you should keep the long hair little bit longer because it's so much easier to cost. Boy. Always think about poss- players always here for us. Anyway, we, we have a site shave bay for a little bit longer. Don't read things tweet about them and cause play about, yes, yes. For real, if I ever if the first time if it happens, I see. Got us Mokassed player. I'm just going if you will. Everybody will hear audible crying forever. It'll happen. It'll happen. You're, you're also building sort of dystopia in world. It's not my fault. I'm sorry. It is your this. Okay. We've all been talking about sort of different aspects of, I'm you. You worked in so many different mediums and journalism in podcasting, activism. I'm gonna put a two. Why comics? Why is comics the place until the story of safe sex where we have this Topi in World War pleasure is monitored by the man. Yeah, dystopia. Yeah, comics. Well, I mean, I love comics. I mean, I'm sure a lot of people here also grew up. I mean, you guys vertigo is extremely my shit like. I grew up on. Pretty goes extremely Titian. I grew up on San men and the invisibles swamp thing and help laser and preacher like this formed, you know this, like twisted sick person that I am and. But I just never really had thought to pursue writing fiction. I felt like called to nonfiction. And so then when Amadeo to Toro, my editor wrote me and said, do you want to write like your favorite genre and your favorite medium? I was like, I guess I've liked professionalized everything else that I like. I guess it can professional nice. Yeah, I know you like now I can't, you know, like watching movie or like Rita comic anymore. That's always see what I'm going to steal its worst right now. Actually, I, I don't know. I think I'm wired for that. So it's it's working out, definitely wired for that. Hey, this is talking about poor to like when the first spectrum that I read from you, I was like, oh, yes, she's got it. This is great. This is this is going to be fine. Thanks man. Your. Once you started sort of buildings world. I mean, you guys have done a great job sort of. It's sort of like pitchy line is a rag tag team of sex workers. Right. My voice over my trailer voices and bring a team of sex workers. You know world in world, but you guys have done a great job of like, yes, they are these sort of these different characters than yes, they're kind of civilians, but like they feel like superhero team some way like what was what was that? Like sort of designing the, the look of them and coming up with that sort of that team. I mean, nobody in safe sex is strictly based on any particular person, but I would say that like collectively the the the can I say, the name can I say names of things? Yes. Okay, cool. So there's talk. Okay. Cool. No, like what's the Margot and what isn't. What is it. So there's, there's like a, there's a rag tag group of sex workers and queers, and just like other. Sex rebels that are collectively known as the dirty minds. Sex rebels is a great band. Yes. And they, I mean, they're, they're based on their community, so it's not like they're individuals that the characters are based on, but like what? What the the characters as like chosen families and as like action adventure team. Which happens under duress sort of in this, like what I based there, the characteristics that they would draw on from the sex communities that I'm a part of and the queer communities that I'm a part of. And just like all of this ex-rebel underground communities that I'm a part of an an also try to. Like as a as a journalist, I'm interested in like. Reporting on the cultures that I'm a part of so that there's more representation of those cultures that's not just like people and safari and yes, so then it was. It was exciting to put it into a comic form because I had you in an ominous to guide me because otherwise I think I probably would have like, I think my approach to fiction initially was like, okay, I'm gonna write a critical essay and about all this, the sexual politics that are important to me and I'm gonna have this character and she's going to have super cool outfit and be right about everything that's me. I know my friends and then I'm gonna have this like ugly character in a dome outfit, and they're going to sail the opinions that are wrong. And then it's going to be like, gosh, titans. You know what? I'm gonna like make them fight. And that's going to be a comic book. And I would read that actually, personally. But then I had some guidance that like maybe people would like like thrills and chills, and mutilations and failure and. Charactered of motion arcs and stuff. So I like I feel like I've got like maestro class in fiction writing, and and it's been, it's been fun, says learning as the fixing the car, it's going. Yes, totally. Totally. Also getting run over by the car. All right, can can I ask a question as like, no, of course. Yes. It's time for free form dialogue as like someone. My last book was nonfiction, do you? I kind of felt like getting back into fiction, nonfiction, digging through dumpsters to find the things that make sense, squishing them together and be like here. This is what this actually was. Whereas fictions like I imagine things. Yeah, it's it's fun to imagine things and then to find out what was in your hand. Well, thank you. You made a good point that rather than being like, here's the good guy and here's the bad guy. I think you've done the the sort of oppressive regime that is in safe sex is it's it's interesting because you as you start to learn more about those characters and their backgrounds to it's. It's that thing of, you know, no one thinks they're the villain. Yes, right. I definitely job with thanks. I took that advice to heart that the villain doesn't think that they're the villain. And I, I definitely know anybody who's done any kind of activist work or really been a part of any marginalized group. Definitely knows people who think that they are the hero and you feel like they're the villain, and you feel like, why can't we all get along and see I? But yeah. Yeah, I wanted to. I did want comment on. Things that I see in my. I mean, this is a very personal story. It's not autobiographical, but it's very, the themes of it are are extremely emotionally important to me. And one of them is the way that marginalized groups like do the work of the oppressor by like fighting one another. And so I. Yeah, thanks. Yeah. And so I definitely wanted to to represent two people like I wanted to represent folks like that and make them the big bads because. I also like took advice from Alan Moore's book about writing comics where he said, if you want to write her and they're definitely elements of har- in this story, if you want to write her, you have to ask yourself what scares you and it sounds like really sort of basic like phone it in vice. But as a project, like asking yourself, like really, really scares you and what really scares me is, yeah, us doing the work of the oppressors. Exactly how often you sit down and ask yourself, what scares you don't right? Like is you'd rather not think about it, but that's that's the, that's the point of good fiction is to sit down and say like, okay, what? What is the thing that I that I have to face? I'm going to make this story good. And I think that's something that all of you guys have done really well and something that we we as an editorial group and asking ourselves on the twenty fifth year vertigo like what is ver- to go and what are the stories that we want to tell and. All of these stories, all of the writers who you're seeing here today. They're all here because this is the story that they're dying to tell. And that is really exciting to see because when you when you go to someone and say like this, is it you've only got one more this is it. This is the story that you must hell right now, what does it go? Then you get really, really fascinating stuff and I think you guys, that's that's what you're doing. You're digging deep and telling the really released stuff. I'll just say that one thing that's been exciting for me to explore as a red end started to see the previews and heard words from the other creators here is that everyone of these is so personal. Yeah, they're all fantasy oriented. It's it's cyberpunk and it's postbox futures and it's which is and whatever. And they're all used in the way. I think pop art is best used as a as a fantastic way to tell something that's very personal and emotional and and comes from your each writers own unique. Life experience or what they're mad about in the world or what you know what they've gone through, what the what they feel is happening around them. And it's it's really cool to hear the stories behind every one of these because I think that's, that's what I love about pop art is everything you see from from Star Wars to Harry Potter is it's about a thing as Ben's added last Khan. It's about a thing, but it's also about something much bigger inside and it's it's probably I think one of the best ways to to gently insert a message into an audience. You know this fact to Mark your original question, which is why comics. And I think we're all we're all playing in metaphor, right? And comics does metaphor both by design and because it has no choice better than any medium. You know if superman were just superman, if it were just a guy flying around in a Cape fighting people that would get old pretty fast. It has to be about something else. And I think that's we're all sort of grabbing onto that and vertigo has given us the opportunity to grab onto that and tell these stories as only comics can. Fantastic part works well with your. You skip setting up the metaphor. You don't have to prove that you're not wasting time saying, well, this thing is like a monster. This. You just put the fucking. And then go from there and then punch it. No. Sometimes often that a good knife works. Sometimes the monster is us. We live in a society. I really carrying anytime I talked to any of the other vertigo creators. It's like, oh, there's like my book has this one feel in common with where you're coming from? And like it's really neat Martin and we all do over absolute. I promise I'll track it. I'll mature work. Look. That is the like, that's the great thing about vertigo, obviously, individual voices and individual stories, but I think you guess Intel from listening to these creators here today, everyone sort of guys like it's like a band, right? Like we're all we're all kind of like saying similar that. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Saying similar things, but just sort of in different stories in different mediums. And yes, vertigo crossover next year, get ready. Remorseful, Kamal. Everyone has a side shave. The new series. One hundred copies, please. I think I had a conversation on Twitter DM think we were like talking about our stories in new, wait a minute, wait a minute years, a cyber too, and it takes wait what? And then I was like, well, in mind, there's no networks left like everything's been this droid technology's been rebuilt from scratch known that. Okay, good. Mine is very much. Timeline wise. It's like yours is like, here's head of mine and like. This is when we had you all locked into individual cages before you actually start. Yeah. It's fun coming out. We're coming out of Caja. We're doing just fine. Mark. Being raised in captivity. Well, I think you guys have done amazing job of answering the question. Why comics and you guys know the answer that question to comics. That's why you're here today, right? You dragged your asses out here for for morning panel. I really, really appreciate that. So you guys know why comics you guys know why comics. Thank you so much for coming out. Check out these books. They're all amazing everyone is wearing their heart on their sleeve and just doing the best work that they can. You guys should check it out. So thank you so much for coming out. Thank you to our panelists. Thank you for listening to the writers panel tune in next Tuesday and every Tuesday for a brand new episode. 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BONUS! Eric M. Esquivel and Ramon Villalobos's "Border Town"

Teen Creeps

18:09 min | 2 years ago

BONUS! Eric M. Esquivel and Ramon Villalobos's "Border Town"

"Forever. Hey, guys, it's Kelly Nugent. Oh, and Lindsey k. tire. I'm here to. She's here too. We're both here. We're both doing a really cool bonus mini sewed. We are so excited to tell you about a brand new comic book series that we think really, really jives with what teen creeps listeners are all about. And it is a new comic book series from DC vertigo called bordertown. It is written by Eric s? Cabal and illustrated by Ramon via Lobos. Yeah. So vertigo reached out to us to let us know about the comic and they were nice enough to let us read it beforehand. It's the first title being published by them this fall as part of their big, amazing twenty fifth anniversary relaunch. So if you're a comic book fan or a graphic novel fan, you know their name, they're responsible for some of the most influential comics of the last twenty five years saying, man, preacher y. The last man fables Constantine v for vendetta, and now they're back with this really cool diverse, innovative set of new titles include. Adding this one bordertown. You're wondering what is border town bordertown is a Mexican American stranger things. When a crack in the border between worlds releases an army of monsters for Mexican folklore, the residents of devils fork Arizona blame the ensuing weirdness. The shared nightmares, the otherworldly radio transmissions, the mysterious mutilations on God, dang illegals with racial tension, supernatural charged. It's up to new kid in town, Frank, Dominguez, and a motley Crue highschool, misfits, discover what's really going on in this town torn between worlds. What did you think? Lenzi I liked it and I don't read comics. Yeah, I really loved this. I dabble in comics and I do little Dibble dabble and I wanted to read more to the art is beautiful. Really dynamic, really interesting. Scary, art, but still like really cool and drawing the drawings drawing. To the, I. My intent to kill me with a backup. But it's really cool. It's like this. The border between worlds is also at the border between the US and Mexico. It's like, yeah, so it's definitely like if you know Buffy or even hurt his talk about Buffy it is very like analogous to current events in regards to, you know, US Mexico and immigration and everything. So the same way that Buffy was like, oh, all of these monsters. Tell us a lot about high school. It's like, oh, all of these monsters. Tell us a lot about, you know, race relations and fear. Yeah. And like monsters. Within humans to, oh, you know, these monsters take the form of of some of our most hateful and fear filled ideas. Something that I really loved about this too. Is that like, you know, it's border town. It's like a border between the world is border, but it's a border between the US and Mexico, and it's also our main character is Frank Frank, and he's, hey, Francisco, e Francisco? Yeah, that's right. He like accidentally befriends a white supremacist who doesn't know hard Mexican, which I thought was I, I had no idea in the moment that he was a white supremacist like I definitely picked up had the the ex, but that's like a straight straight edge. I was. I was like, oh, straight edge kid. And then it was like. Oh shit. He made friends with the straight edge. But the big sweetheart keen to, oh, yeah. And he wears like a Luder mask. I liked these characters lot to me too, and I like that the little chew. Copper has a name, chewy, chewy. So cute. But there's this part that like made me laugh so hard because it I think something that this, that this comic does really well is like it captures the feeling of being this self righteous teenager a little bit think you know everything and he's very like, there's a part where they're like preview on a racist and he's like island, Cooil on Johnny and that I was like, all Frank. Yeah, it was Frank. It's very embarrassing, so embarrassed. And there's even a part like when he's doing this whole diatribe, like the two girls that later become friends, one. Them is like fucking God. I'm half Mexican and knocks a Cup of penny. It's such a like anime speech like he like knocks it over and he was like the way teen. We can all be heroes at my hero Kadamy ah, very, like silly like, and everyone's like, oh boy. And then he gets cut off. I am half Mexican. And then. Hooley Atta is like nine or not. You're all of those things you're I liked that too because, yeah. 'cause it's like question thing that happens a lot or like you've talked about where you sort of feel like you don't have. A full access to either. Yeah, being Caucasian or Asian. Yeah, totally, yes, good moment or she's like, no, you're not having you're not half Irish. You're not half Mexican. You're not. What was the third thing? She's like? Well, she's like, you're just not have Mexican. You're not half and half. She's like you're a hundred percent Mexican Irish and American. So you're three hundred. Third, I love that because that's true. And that's so uniquely American too because we have such diverse population. So I really liked that. She kind of tells them that. But then of course, then gets, no, it gets. With the neo-nazi. So it's really interests like the, I dunno, I thought when she said that she was like, you're just made friends with Nazi? No, I didn't. I know my Sosa. Do I flipped back? I was like, he knew me and that I look back and I was like, oh, maybe he is. And then all of a sudden they're like Frank his beating the shit out of him do. Yeah. Yeah, Frank lights goes way too hard core. Yeah, also rather him like, so this cop is in the picture and he's like very, obviously, a demon. It's so funny. 'cause they're like, it's the cops guys and he's got like a fucking long as tongue. Yeah, he's so scared. It seems like they're the only ones who can see it will. It's not until who he had a shoots the cop to protect Frank yesterday, like, oh shit, this cop, that's a demon turns with that little on hand, the chew me. He's a little chewy and chewy runs. Oh, and Amy is like. Oh, cute. Cute. Which he is a look back and I was like, is cute? Yeah. So the main characters are Frank, teen Tae, who's the big dopey guy who always wears. Oh, Lucia, door mask. Yeah. I guess he's he's written as Savell mentally stable. Yeah, there's Amy. She's Asian American than their none. It's chewy. We already said and Julio documented. Yeah. But in in my favorite parts, we got to read the first two issues. My favorite part of either is the scene that we get when ki-tae the ki Tae. Yeah. When he's a kid, we had a little boy messing Kita, Kim, Tae. Thanks h, wait. What are you anyway? 'cause it's q. u. I n. t. h. k. okay, so keen. As a little kid and he's afraid of going to school because he is. You know, like different than others, he's afraid of getting made fun of just doing, you know, being at school and his mom tells them about their ancestors, how they would like do this ritualised dance to like kind of set their own souls, like just to the side and invite in like warrior beings. So she's like, well, you can do that too. Even if it's a placebo. So then Keita won't even be going to school. This other thing will be. So what's like super strong that you would wanna send school and cuts to all of his Ludar wrestling and stuff, and that's why he's always wearing Lavori mask. Yeah. And also like looking, I love, I love all these characters, and I love to like after the whole thing happens in there like I don't want to. We're not going to deal with this and then they end up having to deal with it anyway. One of them. Yeah, immediately goes to the scene when they hear about because they're good kids do quote unquote riot happening downtown, but it's like legit. Scary things. Yeah. Everybody's saying different versions. Like one guy's fucking commes. Yeah. Yeah. And they're all wearing like. What's the the sickle l. yeah, and the hammer and sickle. So yeah, yeah, something I loved to is. So we get to also peak at like, what is this world beyond our dimension? And it's like very, like, it's cool. There's like the super God, and then there's like all these other gods and it's like an Aztec underworld. Yeah, and he does like this adds tech underworld rule call of all the different. I love that part and the the art during that part is so fucking cool. Yeah, I really liked the all-white go see looking late and I like to kind of looks like the the Kirk from Princess monon. Okay. The robed cars with the the, you know. Yeah, I know about. I like the lady that was like half to her too. Yeah, I lay still. Ladies. I like I like to legal. I know actually, I really liked the girls in this. Cool. Really wanting to spend more time with these girls is really, I mean, the guys are cool too, but I was surprised when it turned out that like they want the border between worlds crossed either. Yeah, and then chewy sneaks out getting brothers, chewy you goof. And so everyone is kind of like each character. So fully thought out and they each have their own core identity struggles and like Frank is half Mexican American, and also he, he is a little pumpkin. He doesn't want to go to town 'cause he calls it. His mom didn't want to have a long term like long distance relationship anymore. Moved their own personal hill. All right. So and keen Tae is developmentally disabled. He's mocked for being less intelligent. Amy is Asian Americans. She seems to be the only in the school who lead as dark skinned Latina cts. She's also undocumented and chewy is a shape shifting creature from beyond who fits in neither his alternate dimension or ours. And I can't wait to see what kind of adventures all of them are going to get into. I know that sounded very like, can't wait to see what Creedy adventure getting. I know that sounds true. Lindsey will tell you, I look, I was very sincere. It is sincere. No crazy way. Yeah. Like you. I can't wait to find out was scrapes. They just feel like chewing troublemaker. And what are they looking at him pointing at him that that wording just came out of knowing else. It's true, very fun because I saw them as a big group of friends. And I was like Oprah. He was in the middle, my Ling her head off, and I was like, I wonder what you're gonna get. I really truly am excited and and again, I don't read comic books and I enjoyed it. So I'm also like seeing some information about the art here. I didn't realize interesting. Okay. So the sky during the day, it's deep blue and then at night it's like orange red, and then sunsets are purple magenta, but then the colors in Miquelon, which is the capital or only yellows and greens and blues, which is interesting. I didn't realize I like finding out about the visual stuff. Yeah, usually think about, did you know what? So I worked as an extra for a hot minute when I was out of work in two thousand nine. And I was an extra on CSI. I played a scientist, one of them, I have a latex allergy as to where latex gloves for like twelve hours. And when I took them off, there is like a tiny little rash, itchy, but on CSI Miami, you're only allowed to dress in certain colors. They're all like, ooh, Miami. Corals and red and bright blues, and everybody was given a not like they're providing us close. Everybody was given the colors. They were allowed to wear for that day to not only was it for the show is a whole, but it was also day specific. Interesting. They have various specific color palette. Same wiz comic, I guess. Oh man, who's also an extra on NCIS the navy version, man, you do you you you your fixture in in crime procedural switch it up a little bit. I was also an extra in the pilot of studio sixty on the sunset stray. Very interesting change. You can definitely see me in that one. I'm in the background of the party at the relief for the episode airs. That's so funny. I'm gonna watch all these. Well, okay. Yeah. Now you've learnt something about me as well as comic book. What color do you remember what color you're wearing for for Miami, I think it was read. Interesting. Is red nice. I never really seen you in very much red. I've seen you in summer, but you don't want very often. I used to wear it a lot more. 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Episode 30: Alfred Hitchcock

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Episode 30: Alfred Hitchcock

"I'm Beth Newell former doctorates, and I'm Peter mcnerney from the story pirates and where parents comedian, and the hosts of we knows parenting. But here's the thing. If we're being honest, we don't really know that much about parenting. I mean, we do have a two and four year old seriously. Is there a right way to do this each week on our show? We share our personal parenting triumphs and failure and failures because we knows parenting is hard. Maybe you can relate. You can find. We knows parenting on apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Hello? Hello? Hello, welcome to the fourth week of spooked. Tober. I can see if he's space right now. They come in. I just thought I saw you roll your. I know I was just I was just like looking over because I'm bad with remembering names of things. And so I keep looking at this in front of me what you'll here in just a second. I don't want to spoil the okay, so welcome to nip isn't. I am Dani Fernandez anyway, sitting across from Danny. I know you're like, man. Last week's intra was way spookier the production value off the charts, the music, the bars. This wouldn't still has the how. I've been enjoying the how a lot. Okay. But we wanted to Danny ramp, so gosh, spook I'm not going to do that to myself. Someone's gonna. I'm going to get famous. I'm gonna pull it up later and you might have be the next Cardi b. they're like, oh, she had bars. Sometimes I do get a drink in me. You'll you'll do. One of the other two migos. See you. I mean, I'm single. So yeah, you have takeoff and quavo now kinda idea like wave. Oh, okay. You like mouse like men if you do know me though. Right? Yeah. Look, I love you quavo, but you also have mouse like features. Okay. So, yes, welcome to the fourth week of spook. Tober. Yes. And today we're getting we, we're talking about a pretty spooky creator, which is great because we have a spooky creator as guess. You know, you may know him as a co, creator of thrilling adventure hour. And soon you'll know him as the writer of the smash hit the future, Eisner award winning comic book, hacks wives coming to the stage. I mean, coming to the stands. Sorry. I mean, it's always on day when we come in, it's always like eight or nine at night coming to the stains from DC vertigo comics. This covers looking real nice, got some real spooky vibes. You know, I'm gonna let you go see it because I can like describe it t- but then you might be like, yeah, well, also I don't want to be like if you described it, I'm not going to get it. Go get the comic book has some spicy, ease. Oh, yeah. So now people are rushing to the stands. This girl looks like me if you ever. By situations. Sold sold it all art right here. You know, some people have done are of me. I send it to you. Sometimes it's a little offensive. Those does it look like the all can't be Monet's going to have to get some Picassos in the mix too. I was like, can you please introduce our guest? Oh yeah. I'd never said his name because of course I didn't been blacker everyone. Hey, how's it going. Was it just seeing just go into a tangent and completely ignore. You want to hear it? I listen several items. First of all, I would love if before this comic hits the stands, it hits the stage. Oh, you know, I'll put it up on show actually how much of this we can Rian. We'll do a live reading of this at the improv in Hollywood. Come down the Melrose doing a live reading of heck's wives and soon to be bumped by crystalline doing sixty minutes of shouting into a Mike. Secondly, I loved The Danny was leafing through it as you were talking and seeing her reaction was so sad Lang. And I would kinda love if you just read the comic while we sat. Fifteen. Just silently, I feel like our one. I mean it's the artwork in it is really cool, but to like our, we're doing spook Tober. Our fans are really into spooky stuff in three. They're also into the spicy. We know that they are. Aren't they follow if the United definitely are. So yeah, and that's cool. Have you been over at the DC offices? Sure. Have, yeah. I recently for with mad own. Is there there too? Are you doing stuff for mad. No, I'm not. I mean, I'm like pitching them stuff, but I was over there for a twitch stream that they did. So I was a guest or whatever on there, but my friend, Allie Gertz is there. She's awful. She's bad person. Yeah. And then our friend, our friend, Hector Navarro is a host daily. Absolutely. Yeah. Which I think I'm doing a just heard I'm supposed to do next week. Talk bills book. Was with him encyclopedia, knowledge of comics and like a true preciado love of all things. I is very hard for him to dislike anything, which is good. I feel like in the nerd space, you need more that like there's so much energy towards hate because good good rants get clicks, you know, good praises, get skipped. You know what? I really love about the show if you'll allow. Oh, yeah, of course. Is that you to celebrate the things you love rather than sh- taking to task the don't care for. Yeah, it's okay to kneel dropped like five f. bombs last time and I caught them when I was like up here this here. We need to bleep here shoes. Yeah, she was. She was going to hammer. I was all about it because you've heard Buffy. So before we even jump into Alfred Hitchcock, I'd want to give you a chance to kind of tell us about heck's wide. Let the listeners know what it's about, what their in store for. Yeah, I think I feel like if people listen to this podcast than they are into the stuff that I am into means they will like this book because it's like made of all the stuff I'm into the heck's wives is basically bewitched plus the stepford wives. It's about a powerful coven of witches who is being held against their knowledge by a cabal of men who fear them and therefore try to control them. So the first six issues finds them all of these suburban housewives, and they don't know that's there. Actually these powerful which is. So it's literal empowerment story. It's also kind of a documentary about America. Yeah, I was going to try and make that joke, and then you beat me to the punch line. Well, I will not shut up. Your show feel free to shove? Well, no, this is great because when one of these because everyone didn't get to hear you before you are so excited to talk Alfred Hitchcock and I will say as much of a fan I am of him, I am not versed in his catalog. Like, I think the ones I've seen his rear window, some of birds. Yeah, mostly by some birds. I mean that scene where she's in the phone booth and she's like no words. Actual movie. Yeah, you know, I skipped psycho and saw the sequel American psycho. I know I definitely want like I've never seen psycho. I've always been afraid to because I grew up out here so we will go to Universal Studios and we'd go by the psycho house in the music and scared me so much. I was always afraid to see the movie, oh my God. And then there was a point was like, I definitely need to see this movie, but then it was just it was before net flicks and then you know, then you get back logged. There's been so many nights have been like, I need to see all the movies. I haven't seen buckle up before we get into this. I'm about to make a few nerds fall out their seats and set down. Here's a list of like need to see movies. I have not seen yet. I haven't seen Princess bride. I haven't seen a Monty python, holy grail. To see someone go here to Monty python is hilarious because someone just like at first wasn't gonna fall out. Solve, how listen if you listener, if you disagree with me about money python by two of my books. That'll show me do give give give been the Nike treatment up and burn. Me burnin bids. I'll change it. Listen before this is going to be a ten minute thing about Hitchcock every we'll talk about everything else for fifty minutes. My favorite Monty python and I am. You know, I came to it as a young person. My favorite Monty python show or film is the documentary about the making Monty python because I love behind the scenes stuff, but only like Monty, python. Okay. Like I like all those guys. I think they're funny to watch them talk about their process, but none of the movies are the show grabbing or the hit citizen Kane. Okay. So boring. There's a couple like that in that wheelhouse said, I think are all the same movie. I've never, I've missed it and I never cared to see it until like it became such a point of contention because of certain host. I used to work for who married into the family. You know it was like every it just was so taboo. There's only one person in this town to a Hearst Hussein. Which that's when you do your citizen Kane episode. You will explain that in is based on the Hearst family? Yeah. Oh, man. Yes. So inlays list. I was gonna say to, and I really, oh, it's hilarious. I, I know what it's about, but I kind of get citizen. Are they both like deal? Yeah, that dealing with judicial prisoners. One is a holocaust movie, and the other one is a bad rich man. Okay. So the others, a good route. I guess that's what I got confused. Yeah, they're both great movies make no mistake. But on the other hand, I've seen it's wonderful life like fifteen times which is a better movie than both of those. I've seen them like, yeah, multiple Christmases in the last thing I'll say is you'd be surprised like it was funny because it was not like we were in the writer's room just like cranking out citizen Kane. Felt like it felt like as soon as they got married for some reason, there was a lot of citizen Kane jokes, so so it was very weird times I'll read. I would love a few to didn't episode about people's like gaps in nerd knowledge. Really fun. Oh, man, that would be a good like runner to do where it has like a flip where we find something we'd like I do bring in someone who's like a huge Princess bride Monty python head, and they just just dumb. I mean, this kind of what this is going to be full disclosure with Alfred Hitchcock which is why I'm so excited that you're jazzed on it because if we aren't the source of like excitement and knowledge, we like to have a guess on who is that source? Because that's what this is about is really just. This show is the equivalent of when you're getting your friend into something that you're into and you're just like this, then this. And so let's jump right into it and start off with Alfred Hitchcock's youth instead of that, can I make a suggestion? I don't have that thing that you're both looking at in front of me. Okay. But I think and I'm not so interested in biography of people because I don't care about people. I think the best way or Abe eight good way to talk about Hitchcock is to look at his three best movies because he made three masterpieces basically. Yeah, psycho vertigo and rear window and wait. I'm sorry. I said it now because I'm just, I got to let the listeners know what just. Danny was in full agreement for four time and was they were they were bonding and connecting on such a level. And then by the time the end of that list hit. It was like someone took a knife and cut that bond and half and they both shot a win from each other. And I was like, whoa, on the no one of those. Well, no, I totally agree. We normally like to give a tiny bit of the back story for the person and also we're clearly going to talk about the birds Ono. No, I'm not saying so about Hans because then there's like the second tier of great movie north by northwest is a great way, but it's not a masterpiece. Yeah. Get into that fits in to be honest. This is what we, to be honest on our show. We do get kind of ding from people that are like, we didn't talk about this and you're talking about this episode. I'm like, we literally can't an it sounds person like you already know that episode really well. So I. Yeah, but I like to hear y'all. I won't lie. That is like I tend to go first to the episodes where I'm like when that Buffy episode came out, I want wanna hear all about. We, we like the what and we let Danielle pick them. But it was also ones that had been ranked and also by joss is like his favorite ones and so, but her kind of also agreeing with that, but even weird. So we got the idea to like look at overseas. Yeah, that's what I think. Roger bogged down twenty four British movies on scene. Yeah, you're totally right. So let's just let's just give some background on our dude, and then we'll jump into these three grades, but I'm already through British movies, whatever started over there, which will learn look something I learned another Brit fact. Oh, hope you ready for tangents slick. Rick. Born in he's British. He was born in the United Kingdom, but moved to New York like when he was like ten. So he barely was American. Save about your Rick cast. Yeah, yeah. 'cause I was like, what happened? And how did we get Grimes slick? Rick is like, and I was like, okay, that makes sense. Same thing with m. f. doom born in UK came to LA I mean, came to USA it sounds still rhymes. It's still rhymes. I don't know why I said LA anyway, sir out. Oh, I see the English now. Yes, sir. Alfred Hitchcock sir. Alfred Joseph Hitchcock was an English film director and producer widely regarded as one of the most influential filmmakers in the history of cinema, and he was known as the master of suspense, which actually I'd like to give that title to my mama, who really, you know, really get what, what is m night known as then the master twice, and I will give him that title, what's chubby checker known. We just going to go down this line. Oh, this is going to be a goofy one. He directed over fifty feature films in a career spanning six decades really long. Yeah, that's Ron Howard dean it, yeah. That what it's called. And how how old is run out and he's still doing it. He's still doing it all. It's been around. I mean, maybe not as directing, but he's definitely been in Hollywood his entire life. He became known as having a cameo in his films. He was the first Stanley. There you go. He. I mean, he did. He did. And so as a team, this is how we got into into film as a teen. He lived with his widowed mother. He didn't have a girlfriend or much of a social life. This is something that he's talked about and he would take solo trips to the theatre. So at sixteen he was reading trade magazines in visiting London's movie palaces, three years later, he wrote a short story called gas, and that was about a moral woman's descent into the decadence of Paris, and that's going to be a theme with him, especially in his earlier films, but in his continued film kind of this like pristine woman, the the beautiful blonde that kind of delves into horror or sin. It's interesting too. I mean to say that like that's going to be one of the things we talk about that and that is the major theme. But like when you talk about Hitchcock, you talk about themes because there are these sort of running. He's the most consistent filmmaker that there are these run. Winning ideas and also running technical things that go, you can trace through his whole career. So I think it's interesting to bring up that like he started going to movies when he was a teenager, which was really at the time of the birth of movies. Yeah, like he grew up in movies the same time movies grew up, right? And so when he sort of made, he started making movies as a young man, and he made like twenty four British films in like ten twelve years or something like that. And it was in that time that he's sort of synthesized all the things that movies could and would be when it came to both performance and story, but also the technical aspects like moving the camera. Yeah, it sound up here like he made a bunch of silent films that was actually his start. He got in in nineteen twenty. He got his start at an American movie company called famous players Lasky that had moved to London. And so what he did was he made sample title cards like so the way that like. They would actually draw like he was a title card illustrator back for the black and white silent films. And so he made a bunch of those and they gave him the job. And then he started working in props and sets as you do when you're when you're working for movie company, so won't gave him a like a slip. I, hey, there's this company company had Dobie out here in China trying to encroach upon our photo shops. So. Okay. I'm gonna cut. Oh, please. The jokes of the episode say another. I like to remind people we are how stuff works comedy, and you know, it's kind of boring when you're just reciting. So someone someone's like, yeah, exactly. This ain't been common. We'll step it up. We'll step it up, but then paramount pulled out a London in nineteen twenty two, but hitch d- didn't stop there. He was hired as assistant director by firm that would be later known as Gainsborough picture. And then he worked his way up and had his first thriller the lodge, a story of the London fog that dropped in nineteen twenty seven man. That is exactly nine. Are you trying to do the math. No, it's reverse Parreno. No. Okay. So the lodger which was about the hunt for a serial killer who wearing a black cloak and carrying a black bag is murdering young women in London. So again, this was largely based off of his fascination with Jack the ripper. Again, we have this this blonde woman that appears in that will continue to be a trope for him. Do you feel at all, like I know he's such a respected director, but I mean, this has to be problem at you're smiling has to be seen. I mean, it's not that I want to go back and look at because we get kind of people get upset when you look back at art as like, especially when it happened before. But you know, it doesn't matter. Some people like rod Serling. We learned where we're able to be progressive even in a time where not accepted. That's true. I think you know, and that's why I mentioned like we talk about his masterpieces which sort of play to his obsessions also and his obsessions are what makes him problematic in part, the other part of what makes them problematic is he was not a nice person. No, and he was I watched. You can watch YouTube videos because there's footage of him and he was super an appropriate with his actresses. Yeah, lifting up her dress. And like while she's speaking and like the way he would flirt and it's, yeah, it's really interesting and I'm sorry to interrupt I, there's, I always read about that stuff and I saw those videos to, and I thought like this guy's a monster. Yeah. And then I was reading this great biography by Peter ackroyd of Hitchcock and it's sort of a great casual biography. It's not super in depth because as I said, I don't like to get into biography and the portrait he pay. Wants of Hitchcock is basically as a control freak who was afraid of everything. So as a way of quelling his own anxiety and his own fear of the world, like he was afraid to walk from one end of a set to another because he was afraid someone would come talk to him and he wouldn't know how to have that action. So he was this neurotic anxious guy. And so the way he treated other people was to utterly control them and he did like he was particularly hard on women because he was so afraid of them. Yeah, which doesn't excuse it by any means, right. But it's his way of dealing with the world which is fascinating in terms of his movies because all of that is in there like his movies are so loaded with his personality. Yeah. Another thing that I learned as we were researching this is that another another element of that was that he was very uncomfortable with his body. He was uncomfortable with his sexuality. In fact, you actually said that he was celebrate at thirty even though he was married. He was married with a child and said that he was no longer having sex anymore. And so the. But he also and I read that too, but he also loved his wife so much. I mean, you can do absolutely night. So like buttoned up so standoffish and that you would think that he would never display any emotion, but later in their life. When almost got sick, like he was on the floor literally on the floor of whatever film he was directing at the time because he couldn't deal with it. Well, it's so interesting because just once again, touch back on the whole rod. Sterling thing we when we had twilight zone, we're talking about rod Serling using his fears in his shows and everything was so obviously kind of touching on his experiences with the war. And I feel like even what I know about all the Hitchcock films, it seems very the same situation as if you look at something like rear window, the one that I've actually seen someone who is witnessing something and it can do nothing about it. Of course, that would make a control freak out. You're in a situation that that you wanna do something and you can't do it, you're stuck that is the, you know, it's kind of crazy. But the I think one thing I wanna hit on for. For my future writers listening to not my future, all my riders out there, listening listening to the cast and you're like hankering for ideas for something scary. Thinking about what scares you. Seems time and time again, that seems to be because I also one of the best piece of writing advice I've gotten was when someone was like, right, what you know, don't be afraid to make your characters you you. You know, just re skin yourself and make it and is true when you put an element of yourself into your character because you know yourself so, well, it's so easy to write that. So of course, writing something scary that focus on something you're actually afraid of is going to be good and also can show some glaring issues that you also have. That's the other fascinating thing though with Hitchcock is I don't know how self aware he was about this is e would conceive of films north by northwest is a great example for for if you who hasn't seen it, it's basically a series of set pieces like you've seen the famous parts of it where Kari grant is being chased by a crop duster in the middle of nowhere, or he's hanging off of mount Rushmore and at the end of the movie. And so the way that hitch. Hot conceived of movies was to say here, the things I wanna do, and logic doesn't really matter what he wasn't realizing was how much everything he was putting together with saying about him, like rear window is another great example. I don't think he understood or at least he never talked about the way that not having control of the situation would be terrifying of him to for him, right to him. The movie was an opportunity to one work with Grace. Kelly who was his absolute favorite in an almost creepy way, but but also like she's a person and was kind of pals with him. So the, there's a sort of strips away the creepy and has that was built up over the years. But to him it was, but working with Grace, Kelly and. Being able to build an entire apartment like to him, that was the fun of that movie was I get to build this apartment set, which is both the interior and then the window looking out to something like a dozen different apartments. And you had to be able to see into every single one, orchestrating the movements of the actors in all of those apartments like that was the fun of directing to him. He didn't care about story. He didn't care about character. You both can tell me as an actor if this is terrible. But the way he would direct actors is to tell them to do nothing is he would just say, like an Cary Grant actually responded very well to this, like this kind of directing where the entire direction was a right then just turn your head to the left slightly and look down and we're done like that. Was it? Yeah. Someone like Paul Newman did one of the later films who's a very method sort of actor was like, but what am I feeling was my motivation. He was like his, he always said, your motivation is your paycheck. I mean that I don't know if that's always the correct part, but I do know that there are a lot of actors and famous actors that are just just let me do my thing. And I do know that Meryl Streep, who's an amazing actress obviously has said, whatever she is feeling is truthful for her character so it can never be wrong. So if she's feeling angry in that moment will then that means that that is true for her character, which is a really interesting way. And I feel like my team. Shire's have approached acting with us that way as well. We're gonna cry and this isn't right for the seed. This is like something emotionally. I'm dealing with personally, but they're like, but it might actually 'cause they're actors myself included in class that have cried during comedy scenes, and it's like, this is not right, but it makes it funnier that you're crying over this dumb thing that happened, you know, like you've got rear ended or something like a tiny little thing, and you're just having a complete breakdown. But like that is kind of funny is it's an unexpected thing, but Hitchcock wouldn't have any of that. Yeah, until you to show absolutely nothing. Oh, show no emotion. You mean nothing because he, he subscribed to that montage theory, which which is true, but nobody really applies it to actors where like you can show a completely blank face and then you can show like a wild barking dog and it makes you think that this is an angry person, and then you can show a clown and you make it think it's a happy person even though the face hasn't changed at all. So he was juxtaposing. The actor was doing? Yeah, she was nothing ready the next image on the. Also the audience is gonna put themselves on it, then they're going to whatever they're feeling on it. It's all projection. Yeah, for sure. That's great. Do you need to take a break? We do. Yeah. We're actually going to take a break and when we get back, we're going to get into some of our favorite Hitchcock films right after this right after this. Your body's be different. Danny, they're weird and they're super weird. Everyone's body is different. 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He was lured here by the promise of money and control. And when he got here, he found he didn't have any control, but he did have money. That makes sense. Right. So he was working with under David cells, Nick who was running the studio, and he made a bunch of really interesting movies that are on the verge of being great movies and rope is one of them and rope is sort of a technical puzzle. It's based on a stage play about these two guys who for for philosophical reasons to prove that they can get away with murder, murderer a friend of the. And they hide him to show that they can do it really, and they hide him in this chess, is that random along with it. I bet you can't. I mean, you never know like a magic trick or so you can't cut me in half do think. That's how that magic tricks probably just give me a few hours some mirror. Wait. So, yeah, it truly is. So rope came out in nineteen. Forty eight. Yeah. And so these two friends, so was the two friends. They murdered their their other friend that put him in a box and they throw a dinner party and they have dinner on the chest that he's in, invite their professor who taught them about this stuff who's played by Jimmy Stewart and this is the first Jimmy sturr. I think it was the first day, love affair. The first Jimmy Stewart, like his main film? No, I think it was the first time in which cocky and Stewart was a really, I think is probably the best Hitchcock actor because he brings so much heart to everything he does. And where, like I said, like Hitchcock doesn't direct people and he has no heart. You need someone like Stewart or someone like Cary Grant who so charming to bring so much bring humanity to the parts. But the technical puzzle of rope was that it was meant to look like it's all done in one shot. So as the story goes along, the camera moves in behind something when it's time to cut the film. So it's basically done in these ten minutes inst-. Bird manning. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, it was it's totally them except without using a computer to go over to fix it. Right. Yeah, which was really neat. So it's a fun hands on back when filmmaking was there was an experiment and he Hitchcock didn't love it. And Jimmy, Stewart hated it because they would do these eleven minute takes yeah, where they had to hit their marks and they had to get every line. Exactly, right. And Hitchcock was so precise that it was grueling to work on, and he said he would never work with him again. But then of course he did. Yeah. Yeah. And he did in in rear window? Yeah, set our next. Yeah, he didn't have the man who knew too much might have been in there too. Which is all for sure. Yeah. In southern, there's so many to talk about on here. We're going to, you know, just like his grief sentence synopsis of man who knew too much so I know which ones to rent. This is a good one. It's a remake of a movie. He made in nineteen thirty two. Well, that one. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, right. Am I right about that? One hundred? Thirty four nineteen thirty four. So he remade the film that he had already made in London, right? So he did this American version with Jimmy Stewart endorse day who are a great American couple like the most American apple does. It still stay pretty much the same. So is about a man and a wife who receive a clue to an imminent assassination attempt only to learn that their daughter has been kidnapped to keep them quiet. That's look at our man's till this. Yeah, if the friggin what's his name? That does all these films taken films. Liam Neeson's, Liam Niessen. Yeah, also this first instance taken, I think that's what we'll do. We'll just find something that uses an element of a Hitchcock and say that it was a blanking office where Buffy speak, which is every movie used an aspect of a Hitchcock that came every movie that came after it, but but I do recommend sort of lighter Hitchcock which like as much as his Hitchcock was obsessed with voyeurism and violence towards women. He also had a lot of comedy, let a comedy, which I think is what makes them watchable. He was a comedic person. If you look at interviews with and his Alfred Hitchcock presents was also comedian. I was watching one where he was like going to the who said, we have to take a break now by no means by this product from these people. So dry until like you have to come back here and we'll, yeah, he's very dry and it works that works. So moving onto rear window which was nineteen fifty, four against this would be as third time working with Jimmy Stewart, you guys missed my Jimmy Stewart impression during the break. Why don't you give it to him. Plans. I wanna leave zoos pedals. My mom makes me watch that every Christmas and she cries. We thought that was great. We love you. We're just going to go a different way. Yeah, you know, you know, just diversities. But you're in your house. That's right. That's right. Okay. My spot on Jimmy Stewart. Seven point. I think at some point I sounded like REBA mcentire. Notes rear window for your window which again, like you said, so it starring Jimmy Stewart and Greece Kelly. Again, I'm just going to let you explain it because you our guest. No, yeah, Jimmy. Stewart is a photographer who has broken his leg and so he's laid up in his room and he starts looking out the window and watching his neighbors. Again, we're hitting the theme of voyeurism and what he believes he sees is a neighbor having murdered his wife, the neighbor's wife. So again, violence against women, his twin themes, meanwhile, Jimmy's girlfriend, Grace Kelly is trying to get him to settle down. There's a great romantic relationship plot going on. There's that comic relief. Character is his nurse who a friend of theirs. I can't remember the actor's name. She's so funny in it. Is it though? Mode Ridder? Yes. Okay, so great in that movie. So basically it unfolds at like Stewart can't leave his room, but he wants. He's like kind of growing crazy. Yeah, he's becoming obsessed with abor on. So he sends Grace Kelly over to go to. Into the house, and you get these great scenes of tension until the climax wanted is revealed what's happening. I won't spoil this. They signed to you. You know, what else does this disturb you. I'm sorry. Let's you know that does this how I was like they did all of that. And the riana video of of course not I could straddle strike as is in house arrest. He sees his neighbor. It's, yeah, the same. Rear window. It was remade with Christopher Reeve. Did you know that now that he was? I think it was a TV movie. I've never seen it with Christopher Reeve in a wheelchair, so it must have been later. I must have been after his accident, but I cannot imagine it's any good. Yeah. Okay. So let me say this. Okay. Hitchcock described Jimmy Stewart. Okay. By saying he's the perfect Hitchcock hero because he's the every man in bizarre situations. I think that is one why Stewart is like the best in Hitchcock movie. He's so relatable. How would we act if we are putting the NRA? Oh yes. So then moving on from that, we have. Let's see. We have vertigo. Yeah. When was that? It was before we born nineteen fifty eight Lord nineteen fifty eight again starring Jimmy Stewart. So I guess this would be like a weird thing. I feel like in Hollywood to have. You know, I mean I know that Ryan Kugler and Michael Jordan, you know. But like I think if it were this level where every single now I don't know like Tim Burton and Johnny Depp. Christian bale total love their dudes. I need to find me a director to director dude who's gonna be put me. It makes sense, right? There's a shorthand and if you work well with someone, you. Oh, yeah. I'm not. I'm not. I'm thinking like if this I'm not trying to say anything. This would have been weird back in that time of like having major. That's a good question. Like it. Was that Donal or was it weird to like, have the same you're sitting, especially if you're like, oh, Hitchcock's coming out, will it guess it means Jimmy, Stewart's going to be the lead? You know what I mean? The through the mid fifties or so the actors were usually under contract with? Yes. So that directors were under contract with the studios too, so sometimes get matched up sometimes not. And sometimes they would like it was it seems sort of arbitrary would pull actors from other studios to if this sounds the least bit interesting to you. I suggest checking out the Coen brothers film, hail, Caesar, all my gosh. I love that movie like a lot of really fun did not like it. I was so on board for it. It's specially if you're like, if you like goof it on old Hollywood and all like the dump stuff, what's his face? You know, I'm talking about magic, Mike. Channing Tatum Channing Tatum. He's had a head. You just need to say magic magic. Mike. He does have a few magic, Mikey. He shows his magic Mike, not all of it, but he shows me now and I'm like, I'm here for it. I don't mind Bradley Cooper like everyone showing their ding Ling. If I'm seeing how I'm getting snatched up, I'm praying for another magic, but I am praying for another magic. Do you know how quick I will have my manager have me. I am burning incense. It's we're talking to mommy Wata for a magical. You might come do rituals with me if he will. Can I just send you one of my third and you'll put in Pentagon for me. I guess I could put on my vision board for, but if you get it, you gotta bring me in for a cameo or something. Okay. So, hey, look, my friend. She put me on our visual or, yeah, the reason I'm here and also, you know, none of us have anything to do with the magic Mike franchise. So you don't have to have your pants off. You know, just feel like just in case you never know tie walk into a room. Came out in nineteen fifty eight. Can you break down for us? I don't know that I can complicate movie. Do you have it in front of you? Oh, yeah, for sure. So again, we have Jimmy Stewart this time with Kim Novak and Barbara Bel Geddes. He wanted to Hitchcock one in VERA miles to play the lead, but she was pregnant. Which is really put off by that. He was like, how dare someone go off and have a life when I have a movie to make, was he really? Yeah. Oh, damn. I thought you were a kitty. No, this is how he was about when he found people he liked. He wanted to have them in. So he'd become obsessed with these actresses. Okay. He tried to bring a Grace Kelly out of retirement after she became a Princess and I don't want to deal with that. She almost did, which I thought was really interesting. She was going to come back for I wanna say psycho, but I may be wrong that's in, but she was she would only have been doing it for the money because Monaco that what she was Princess was in debt. And so she was going to do moving and take the money. And then when he found that out, he was so depressed. Yeah, I don't know. I was gonna say our producer Dan gave us this quote from Hitchcock. I was offering her a big part, the chance to become a beautiful sophisticated blonde, a real actress. We'd have spent a heap of dollars on it and she has the. Bad taste to get pregnant pregnant women because then they have children. Your wife literally was pregnant. Oh yeah. I don't know that he saw her as a woman. It's a weird complicated kind of gross relationship where he respected and loved her, and she was a creative partner through their whole lives. Like she started editing his films and they would break stories together and she never got any credit for that stuff, but he could not do that stuff without her. She was bigger than him. Did you know that? So she actually started. So if you she was at the the London production company, she was bigger than him, and he started out as an assistant and he liked her for two years. I remember because I watched the true Hollywood story on this and we have it in the footnotes, but he liked her but didn't ask her out until he thought he was equal to her. Some still do that to this day, but you are so right? Yeah, she was. She was a businesswoman and and then you know that kind of fell or he. Got most of the credit after that. So so vertigo Jimmy, Stewart plays Scotty. A former police investigators suffering from Akra phobia, which is a fear of heights who develops an obsession with a woman. He has been hired to shadow God. There is, yeah, this obsession, okay, Scott obsessed with obsession. Yes. Scottie's obsession leads to tragedy in this time. Hitchcock does not opt for a happy ending done done. Dumb vertigo contains a camera technique developed by urban Roberts, commonly referred to as a dully zoom that has been copied many times by filmmakers. So yes. So this technique was used on me once in my first TV thing I ever filmed in Hollywood called drugs made me do it on the bio channel. Yeah, I was in a docudrama where it played big lurch into do one of the scenes so I can. So basically the way it works is as you zoom in. As you physically zoom in the camera's, you push in the camera physically, you also zoom out and creates an effect where it looks pretty cool. The world's kind of it looks like the world has been ding almost. And so they did that as an effect of me on PC people for longs. Yep, it was. It is. Generally known as the vertigo shot place where it's most famously used outside of vertigo is in jaws yet when chief brody's on the who? Yeah. And he's. Yeah, it's a great shot. I mean, and we can talk if you like about how Spielberg is the new Hitchcock but we'll wait. Yeah, tonight pitch Filbert we lost three. It'll be a reveal. Well, the vertigo. So the vertigo shot was also using goodfellas road addition body double the island of Dr Moreau and the nineteen Ninety-six remake the Lord of the rings and Josie and the pussycats. But obviously a lot of other lustrous last. Glad you ended with a bang. With the Oscar front running that just got snubbed. Yes. So we're actually going to take a quick break, and then we're going to get into one of his biggest films of all time, psycho right after this. If you're going to build something from nothing, you've got to know what really works. 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These leave that in. Look up. Tony. Curtis, I'm looking through. Okay, Tony, Curtis, he was in Houdini. Never some like it, hot. You know, these were all before my time. Do you ever see the fly somewhere get hard like sixties Danny. These were living before our time. Was he in the Flintstone, but they had a character named stoney. That's how famous he was. Okay. Oh, yeah, just yeah, it's all good because we're, we're looking at thirty years before Danny. I know he kind of looks a little Jay leno's. Oh, he's done a lot. This is why Alicia Malone is on Turner, classic movies, and I'm not. I'm also not a movie reviewer. So true. Once film gets black and White House like this isn't for me. Literally. I wasn't allowed in the theaters. That's a good joke at the. Uh, so let's talk about science. Pay me the big bucks. Let's talk about psycho with, you know, the mom of Jamie Lee. Curtis who Jamie Lee kept her name? Both of them, I guess technically. So psycho came out in nineteen sixty arguably one of his most best well, known films. Yeah, probably generally regarded as his masterpiece. Like I think rear window is really has best movie in its most watchable movie, but psycho has in the way the vertigo does has all of his obsessions in and it's it's super watchable. So here's the thing I would ask. So you've seen psycho if you have not seen psycho now. My wife had not seen psycho until a couple of years ago and we were watching it. We were at home watching it. Now you live in the world? Yeah. Do you know the twist and psycho? Yes. Okay. Because because it was one of those things because I actually, oh my gosh. Here we go. I have seen new hope. Empire Strikes Back going to come around. Right? And I stopped there. I was like beta one at all this evidence by, but like I only saw those, I think maybe four or five years ago. And when I was watching it, it was so interesting watching a movie that I know all the references to because it's so in the world and same thing with psycho. I think it's one of the it is the quarter movie. So yet I know Norman is his mom. So you would think we as people living in the world know all these references. So I'm watching this movie with my wife and we really enjoying it. And towards the end of it, she goes, oh, thank God. Norman Bates is here to save him and stop the movie. Like what did you just say? She said, Norman Bates is going to save her from this. The murderer who's here? I said, you don't know what happens on this movie. Do you? This movie is fifty years old and you don't know what happens to is amazing. To watch this pure viewing experience, which still works. Yeah. So like it works if you know the twist which people do, but it really, it's amazing to me that it can be out there like people, it doesn't feel dated at all. Yeah. And I've, I love that you pause the movie to spoil it for your wife like you didn't see this, I guess because if you stop that, I'm like, oh, I guess he's not. I guess he's not. No, she's not movie savvy at all. She was like, well, he asked me a question. Let's keep watching. I know why are you give me this? Get it going? I did want to say that psycho was based on Robert blocks, novel psycho, which came out in nineteen fifty nine, which was inspired by the case of Ed. Gin. Is that how you think guy? Yeah. So the Texas chainsaw massacre dude, a bunch of things were based on that ram story. Yeah, leather face or whatever someone that likes to cut people up in their skin on. So then eventually would be silence of the lambs as well. Was. A little bit in there. Yeah. And I remember Jonathan Demme talking about that. I mean, psycho is sort of the beginning of modern horror. It's not about monsters psychological story. It's definitely the beginning of the slasher genre, right? There would be no Halloween without psycho fascinating. Because when we're talking about Halloween, it was like, this is the start. A lot of people feel like this is the real push toward slashers. So it's cool that you know that Janet Lee and the Jamie we were both kind of seen as the start of their their particular generations. Bashers Halloween was definitely like the trope codified. Psycho was the sort of primordial ooze that it came out of. Yeah, because it has all the stuff that great slasher movies have, but there's something about it. That's kind of I wouldn't say an art film, but there's something elevated about it because the tropes didn't exist yet. Yeah, just gore porn. Yeah, there's there's some substance but beneath it. We were talking about that on the Halloween episode also wanna add the little bonus treat for all bliss news who might be running. Go watch psycho because his the season. So obviously now we're in the future. You can't really watch it in a film unless you have like a Alamo draft house or something that's doing something cool like that. So to help you out, I want you to Mark up this next portion right next to the end of psycho where where the big twist happens, and I'm gonna give you a movie watching experience. So just just on the counter three just playing down there headphones. No, no, they they need China's out, turn it up ASO here. It is. Oh, Norman Bates is the cycle. That's why it's called psycho. All right. Perfect. So that's, that's is an experience. That's why would be like if you were in the movie theater with me watching it, which is all anyone? Yeah. Oh my gosh. I love when you're in the theater with someone who likes to call out like the connection or if they. Title until. If you get, we go to screening sometimes together. We haven't as much anymore. But like we used to go a lot. Okay. I literally pressed automation to make sure I was like, oh, I haven't been any screeners some coming up and there's like, no, we don't have the next one until dragon ball z. Broglie I'm like, bet. Yeah. No, I was going to say we went to a bunch of the marvel ones when they were coming out. We went to. Why it was so funny to sit next to you. Because you were just like when Tony stark calls that dude Squidward, you're like golden Squidward. Guy. I'm Dr. It was great. Don't open that door. Yeah. Tony SOGA don't open that. Psycho psycho. We started. We're still lying about this. The unprecedented violence of the shower scene. We had the early death of the heroine which is not normal. Innocent lives distinguished by disturbed murderer became the hallmarks of a new horror film genre. Something I thought was really interesting in doing my homework for this was to read that Hitchcock like psycho is his masterpiece. Yeah. This is a brilliant movie. He did not care about it. Okay. Like he, he didn't feel compelled to make it in the way he did some of his other films. He saw that horror films were popular in the fifties, like the fly and stuff like that and was like, I could make a horror film. I could make a lot of money. He had had a couple of flops before that and was like, this will make some money, and he put most of his own money into it. So he wound up making a ton of money off of it. Yeah. So it was actually his most profitable of career. He earned a fifteen million. Yeah. On personally he earned fifteen million and you shot at fast and cheap too, which is really interesting. Yeah. So I wanna say that's so quivalent of one hundred twenty four over one hundred twenty four million. Wow. In today straight, busted a mental crave seeing passionate by, but he subsequently swapped his rights to psycho and his TV anthology. For one hundred fifty shares of MCA make a hot making him the third largest shareholder and his own boss at universal look guys. I just got into stocks and I just know that's tight. Also if you want to join me on robinhood hit me up on Twitter so I can send you my invite link wheat. Both get a free stock. Ain't been tight good time to buy right now. Is this the time for plugs. Do you have a robbery at checkout? Ex-wives it's out on how. Sorry, I just need to add something. I'm at one hundred fifty thousand shares of MCA. That's a lot of shares to shares a Nike and I was going to say yes. So psycho was made on a very constrained budget of eight hundred thousand. Wow. Which even for the time was nothing. Yeah, yeah. It was a different kind of filmmaking for him. And I think that's part of why it became something greater than the stuff he had done leading up to it. Yeah. And it was shot in black and white on his spare set using crew members from Alfred Hitchcock presents. I didn't realize that he was doing that at that time that Alfred Hitchcock which also which which I was interested to read, and I'm not very familiar with Alfred Hitchcock presents because they were hard to find for a while, but that was just a cash grab for him also that he was sort of a name brand director and they said, do you wanna do TV? And he was like, boy, do I have to do to have to write or direct anything? There's a no, just just come in and introduce these things and put your name on. He was like done. I mean, why not? Yeah, I'm game. So then we have my favorite, the birds that came out and I don't like I was saying the Burs Ted birds nineteen sixty three, and this is I don't know. This is to me like peak horror, like Pete. Scary movie this. I don't want to say it's not like gore porn necessarily, but it kind of is to have your eyeballs, like p pecked out by birds. When was the last time you saw. You are a youth, right? Yeah, yeah. I mean, it was like. I mean, it was like, maybe I was in my twenty s? It's not as gory as you remember it. Okay. You know what we were talking about that with, how do we not very good? Yeah, actually didn't have like any blood really what you imagined it. Yeah, birds has the same similar thing. We'll look at that he's they are walking in each other. Well, he's walking in his footsteps. Also psycho then like there's the shower scene and you see blood going down the drain. It's somebody in birds. There is our pecked out, like, yeah, look it up. Damn, I'm gonna watch. In a long time, but I really think it is because you couldn't get away with that in nineteen sixty. I mean like not necessarily show, but I feel like they show them going at their face. There were a Tippi Hedren was pretty much abused on the set of this movie. She was a commercial actress that he saw and was like, okay, that's my next blonde that I'll be obsessed with. That's it's so crazy because you know, I it really speaking of like influences in Hollywood. And the idea of like the perfect leading lady is this blonde, blah, blah, blah. We have this directors like, that's all I want is blonds blonds blonds blonds and he happens to be this influential. It's like, oh, you did that. Would it surprise you to learn that his mother wasn't icy, blonde, oh, you know what? They say about moms or at least Freud. Yeah. We didn't. Even that has been Akers joke. I want people to no end on Twitter. That was my right in partners joke, but it was so appropriate. I did want to say because we didn't even say what the birds was. It focuses on a series of sudden unexplained violent bird attacks on the people, but dig obey in California over the course of a few days. I loved it. My parents used to show it to us when I was little too, and I just thought it was so terrifying. Yeah, it's a great scary movie, but it's a scary movie that young people can like kids can watch because it's not terribly gory what I love. One of the things I love about it is that the bird attacks are never explained like he was not interested in that and they saw that, yeah, they sorta throat like, well, it could be this or this at various points. You don't know. It just happens if you if I am to put on my cut, you had for a second. I was. That's what makes the perfect monster movie. And I and it's was funny because a lot of people was real mad about that in the one good American Godzilla movie, which was the Bryan Cranston went, fight me is people like you don't find out where he comes from us, like you never knew where he comes from. We assume it's like, I think one says is like atomic like lizard. But it isn't like explored in like there isn't like a backstory behind the people who did it it because there's a giant lizard attack your city, who cares? You know. And I think that's what's beautiful about monster movies. If birds started attacking her Chind lizard, the news might be trying to find, but you as a person won't give a damn about where it came from your only concern. Is Anita be alive? Yeah, I totally agree. And I think like the most boring part of any horror movie is when thing is explain. Oh it right. You want answers, but you don't necessarily want an explanation. Yeah. And I think as horror fans, we are attracted to ambiguity. Tell me maybe you'll kept us out. Tell me how you feel about this. I was in a meeting pitching a horror movie and it's it's basically like these monsters attack. That's just of the movie and the person I was talking to wanted to know the whole back story of the monsters. They're from. Hell, and there's a devil deal in their stuff, but that's not in the movie. And the the person I was pitching to was adamant about like these, you have to have these answers. We have to see it in the movie because people are going to have these questions that I don't know that. That's true. It's not I would. I would even go as far to say now, no, I say no, I agree. No m night Shyamalan signs which again, I'm going to rep for because I really enjoyed it, but we don't really know anything about the aliens rather than in the end when you realize they're allergic to water, you don't know why they came. I think John's is the best example right is one of the great horror movies, you don't know why that shark attacks, that doesn't matter what matters is that shark attacks, and then how do the people deal with it? That's the story we wanna see, yeah, boy, I'm fighting mad now. Yeah, who've after the birds, everything went downhill, did it? Yeah. Admiral Byrd's. Everything went downhill. He was sort of chasing the success of psycho. The birds actually didn't do very well, and it wasn't very well received, although it's gone on to be like, like, you and I have that. It's l. rain. We adore it, but I think it's not a great movie anyway. Somebody scary. Yeah, happened to us and there's fun stuff in it. And like hearing the stories about. About how how the actress was it was really bad. Yeah, it was even why birds take to her. She had live birds that she was putting a cage and they were like thrown at her before pita was onset. Yeah. I mean, they did some bad stuff to the birds and to her it, it was. It was not good. So he made after that a series of movies where I think there were a lot of compromises involved, and he was sort of chasing stuff that was like JAMES BOND had started to become popular. Tom did a spy movie and it wasn't very good. It's still had thriller aspects, and he did a couple of things that were more, you know, they were in the thriller genre, but they were sort of outside what Hitchcock really does until frenzy, which was, I think his final movie and. In Britain, like return, you went back and that was in nineteen seventy two. I can't remember why he chose to go back to England except that it seemed real right and full circle and frenzy is not a great movie, but it does come back to all of Hitchcock's obsessions where it's about watching and it's about violence on women, and it's about sort of a pure cinema experience in that, like the camera is moving a lot more than it doesn't as other movies, and it was pretty. It was pretty well received an did very well. So he went out on a note that he could be proud of and he did not plan for that to be his last movie. He was, I think, eighty at the time, but wanted to keep making movies and then until his health just failed him. Yeah, he would end up passing away about eight years later in nineteen eighty. When anything off the ground in eight years later. Eight years before we were born countdown. I think that's what's really. So before we wrap up, I just want to touch on the another thing that was pretty popular, which was offered Hitchcock presents, which was an anthology series, like we said, was hosted and produced by him. It aired on CBS an on NBC. Yeah, I remember this because this was the big big show that had the intro of him walking into a silhouette. And I got to say it's pretty baller moved to like having your gut in the silhouette because me it would have been a silhouette with a nice bowl, JR six pack. Now. Now I'm gonna get the whole Rotan gut, you know, three hundred pounds. Yeah, he, he, you can go back and watch it. He joked a lot. There's a lot of comedy in it. You joked about himself, would you know? Yeah. So it was a series of literary anthologies essentially that they did. And I think I think some of them you can. Why think most of them you could probably still why other? I think they're on Hulu or something. Are you familiar with them? I know there are great ones, but I don't really know. I don't really off the top of my head, but I mean, other than that a lot, you know, thriller anthologies were big at the time. I bet if you go on the club or something they have a list of these are the ten you should walk. Yeah. So one of them is among the most famous episodes is Ronald dolls, man from the south, which came out in nineteen sixty starring Steve McQueen and and in which a man bets his finger that he can start his life and times in a row. Yes, that's a great episode. Yeah. And Peter Laurie. It was ranked number. For forty one on TV guides. One hundred greatest episodes of all time. The episode was later referenced in remade in the film for rooms with Quentin Tarantino directing a segment called the man from Hollywood instead of his finger was feet right. You know, who knows probably cutting off the finger in four rooms is the only good thirty seconds of that movie. It's so no joke, like it's so well executed. Yeah, the editing is so tight. And so interesting in the build up to it is so good, but it lasts like thirty forty five seconds at it's perfect. Oh man. The rest of moving go, hang. So I think we, we tackled his biggest hits tackle everything, but we got a little bit into his mindset and some of the problematic issues which again, it's okay to talk about the problematic things of the things you love ignoring them is absurd. I think it's definitely especially when like, I'm sorry, it kind of influenced it. You know, for better for worse. So you, I feel like you do kinda have to in this situation, but no, that that was it. And that you know, let us know if you have some Alfred Hitchcock films that you love and definitely add a synopsis fort and where I can see it because offered dish crock ain't on Netflix. I don't know what's happening. Oh, also, if you are a Hitchcock head and you. I haven't been go on the tram ride at Universal Studios. They always stop in front of his office and it has his silhouette on the window and they're like, he used to, right right there. I don't know. It's it's funny because like you that guy went out to lunch to eat right. I mean, I can never work in in the office. I always do most of my work outside where I just want know like that I can understand if that's the building they relocated it, but that specific one right there. Yeah, we'll took the trim to it every day. We should ask her universal friends. They would know is the psycho house still there? Yeah, still that won't go anywhere. That's a joke about when Jim Carey was shooting onset. Oh, you, you haven't been on tram when they tell you start. So near apparently one time, Jim Carrey was shooting on the lot, and he got an address and hid in the house. And during one of the tram shows runs out with a knife and dress and freaks everyone out. And I was like, why can that be mine? I get that experience that was tight. I would love the idea of Jim Carey, just hanging out there still shooting over there anymore. I liked the idea of like there had to be a good fifteen minutes of him. Just sitting at dusk, probably. Rating. They're here now. I love it. I was gonna say, I know also if you're a big Hitchcock head, I guess hit up or any of these black and white film set up a leash Malone because she's the host over at Turner. Classic movies is constantly living that life. I think she wishes that she was back in that time. Tweet at at Ben Ben blacker and you do get into it, I'll talk about it with you in tag, you know, leash just get all the people that are. Yeah. Ben win is heck swabs dropping again. I'm glad you asked it's out on Halloween. Oh, I, if you were here in l. a. this comes out before Halloween, right? Yeah. If you're here in LA I'm doing a signing at golden apple comics at ten AM. We love going to have. Yeah, come have a coffee with me in the morning. Bring him a coffee people right from that. Golden apple was where image comics at their first signing. Is that right? Oh, was that the one where they were helicopters? You learn about that in our image. Comics episode is self adjust reading day a a gift certificate given to me by Jordan Morris. Forgot to use for two years and you know those don't expire there. Yeah, you're fine. You will use it come out and buy, heck swaps, Ben. Did you give your handle guys? You can find me on Twitter at Ben blacker. It's my name. It's also my Halloween name, love it. I I refuse to change my and so yeah, months, dark enough. Mine is is I think only people who know how my name sounds works because it's if you should day. I like it, but everyone's like, what are these allegations letters. I'm at MS Dani Fernandez and all the socials. You guys be nice to each other out there, please. It's the world is really rough, and I just see a lot of awfulness in particularly directed at me and you know, I don't know. There's another person on the other side of that screen. So just this is why we do our podcast. We want to bring back the joys and beauty of phantoms and the things that we all fell in love with as kids in and try to remember that. That's all I got. Yeah. And for me, speaking of joy doing a show, October twenty fifth at eight PM. If you wanna be happy, how about you come down to Highland Park? It's a bookstore. It's called laughter house. Five, it's a nice slaughterhouse. Five reference come come through. It'll be fun and great. And you know, Highland park's good. You could go to Highland Park bowls been way too much money to go bowling crepe pizza though. Oh, yeah. The pizzas right. Oh, yeah, I'd go for the pizza. Don't bowl like like Muccio some friends go to a party for you mind. Slang. A few balls. But anyway, this has been fun Ben. Thank you so much for coming on. We've been goofing. This is probably one of the top goofiest craziest joke filled episodes, and I thank you for it. 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Do I Have Meningitis?

We're No Doctors

56:15 min | 1 year ago

Do I Have Meningitis?

"Starving out of there. Guys and girls. Pets. If you're in the background listening to your masters podcast platelets. I should start over. But now screw it. That's still better intro than hey. It's your boy, Steve. You can clearly hear my air purifier in the background. I forgot to turn it down. Listen. That's crazy. That's what my air purifier volume is at twenty four seven except when I'm recording. A podcast in here. I love it because of my tonight's, I can't be in a completely silent room. Drives me insane. The ringing in my heirs. So this is the other option. I hope that whoever uploads this podcast over at star burns doesn't. Put some kind of filter that it's that I am gonna turn it down, by the way. But I just wanted everyone to hear what I deal with twenty four hours not twenty four hours a day. I'm not in here twenty four hours a day. In fact, I'm usually in riverside babysitting. The family. I am in LA right now I have been for almost a week actually for a week. It's how well my mom and sister are doing without me. I would have been back now but I had to. Be here for some work related stuff. Thank God, thank God, there's work and lining up in the future. But yeah, that's, that's what I sleep to that sound. I love it. It's I mean it's white noise obviously, but it's very soothing to me. All right. I'm going to. Actually, I'm gonna pause. Actually, I'm going to let it go. I've taken my headphones off. About to walk across the room, I'll talk louder. So you can hear me. Here we go. Not fully off. Maybe it should be. I don't think you can hear it when it's this low. I'm sitting back at my desk, by the way, I moved my desk out of the kitchen. It's been in the kitchen and while recording in the kitchen, I would have to turn unplug my refrigerator, because when that would come on that was even louder the my air purifier. And there were a couple of K of occasions. Recording the podcast of my kitchen where I forgot to plug refrigerator back in. And then a day or two later. Yeah. That's how often I open my refrigerator. Sometimes I'll go two days, just order food or something. But. A day or two later, I would open the refrigerator just be like so bummed out, like, come on. I just went grocery shopping. That's not why I moved the desk out of the kitchen. I just wanted my desk in. You know, by the TV and stuff. So I can work and right. With the TV on and background shit going. So I like this better. It's quieter when the air purifiers off, this sounds. Okay. Right. Yeah you can't even here at the air purifiers on its lowest setting right now. However, I did. About twenty minutes ago, I came home from bed bath and beyond not to brag bought a water purifier. Britta. I just don't want to buy plastic bottles anymore of water. You know, I have my. Got my whatever this is my metallic little hydro flask for hot and cold beverages. It was actually a gift from superstore, arap gift. They gave these cool. Looks like at ho- holds about a. No quarter. So, but yeah, I got to be a little more responsible. I also bought some metal straw, some steel straws. Steal metal. I'm not sure what they are stainless steel. Just trying to do my part guys for the environment. But oh, yes, so I came home from bed, bath and beyond. Put something down on my desk, and turn to walk away. And my foot hooked the power cable the power cord for my computer my laptop. On my desk. And I started walkaway. I heard a loud crash I turned around. There's my computer on the floor. Bunch of other shit that it dragged with it. God. I. Can't do anything without something landing on the floor. I have a California king, not to brag, but this just just to prove a point I will walk into my apartment. Throw my phone on the bed, the middle of my California, king bed, and six out of ten times. My phone will bounce off of the bed onto the floor from the middle of California, king. I just dropped shit all the time. Opole my phone out of my pocket and just fucking. Fidget with, like, like, like I just can't get a grip on it, and it will fall on the ground. I think part of that I got a, a battery case for it. And it's it's made my phone like four times. Heavier granted. I don't lose power my phone during the day. But it's made it a lot having his drop all the time. Now. But at least it is a texture case, I was dealing with this shit, where I was putting my phone on my passenger seat of my car whenever I'd hit the brakes. I phones are so slick. They're so smooth that. Very often would just slide right onto the floor only car. And I've been trying to find a good magnet mount for my phone when I drive, you know, for like GPS. Just have a place to put my phone in the past. I've had those suction Cup things that go on your. Go on your windshield. Which I like. You know, if I have my GPS opened, it's I just have to kind of glance out of the side of my eye and see. In the past been no problem. But for some reason with the phone that I have now the iphone I have now. I've gone through like three of those things where it's not the suction Cup. It's the magnet 'cause they're magnets that are sticky like the thing on the, the suction Cup goes on your window. I know none of this is health related. Well, it's mental health related because driving me insane. Suction Cup goes on your windshield. And then there's like little arm that goes out, and it's got like a. It's got a little play on it, and you stick, a magnet to your phone, or your phone case, and then you just magnetized it right on there in the past. It's been no problem. But with this new phone, and for some reason, the other case that I've had the MAG the sticky thing doesn't stick. Well. This is a horrible story. I got a I got a switch to clamp system or something. And that's the podcast. Thanks guys. Well, as you know last week, I was fighting a cold, I think I recorded on Monday or Tuesday of last week. And I lost that fight. It didn't help that. I was doing stuff every day and every night. Tuesday, I went to a screaming for bright, burn, which I have a small part in go. Check it out. It's in theaters now went to screaming of that, and then an after party and then. Wednesday night. I did stand up for the first time in a long time Largo here in Los Angeles. And just. And they called me last minute, come in and do stand up. I was like half asleep on my couch like eight o'clock at night. Tax is like yeah. Yes. I will do this. I haven't I haven't performed performed once this year. I love Largo. So I went down. And having a scratchy throat kind of that post nasal drip, sting in the back of your throat and. My sinuses were not great. And then I woke up Thursday, totally sneezing. Alternating between sneezing and stuffiness. And a little bit of a cough. And the worst part of it was never horrible, though, the started on Thursday, and it was pretty clear by Sunday. I continued to fight it. And I think I did a good job with vitamins and Nettie, pots and nasal sprays and stuff like that, and emergency and. However, the worst part of this cold or whatever the fudge I had. Was. I had this headache. Like a really. For the most part it and it was three. It was Thursday to Sunday, this headache, like it never went away cap taking aspirin. Nothing was helping I drank a lot of caffeine. Usually caffeine for me will really help with a headache. Nothing was working. And it was really bumming me out because I'm not one to usually get headaches. And so when I do cope, very well, but it was headache and it was kind of in my left temple. But also a little bit behind my left eyeball. Which makes me think it was definitely sinus related. But also, this is a weird thing. And I know I've had this before, but I never really remember it. I also had this really bad pain in my neck, like the left. I think it's one of the nice I fell asleep on my couch like Wednesday night. I fell asleep on my couch. Which is never good. And. And I think I wrenched my neck, but like the muscle that goes. If you feel the back of your neck with your left hand just to the left of your spine. There's a pre significant muscle that goes up the back of your neck, right to the base. I mean, it's the pain in this, this muscle pain went that whole. Muscle on the left side of my neck in the back, but really concentrated at the base of my skull, and this thing would happen. Where because I had, like sinus stuff. I had the sniffles. I had the sniffles daddy. Because of the goddamn sniffles, I was quite often going. Sniffing? Every once in a while having to do, please forgive me. But I have to do this to get my point across every now and then I would have to do the. You know that shit. And whenever I would do that in even to sniffling like a hard. To prevent my nose from running down my face. Whenever I would do that. It would make the pain in the back of my neck. Excruciating. I I'm not kidding. The level of pain with a kidney stone, like do that for about five seconds afterwards. The muscle in my neck would hurt like, just someone shoved an ice pick up under underneath my from my neck, into my skull. So painful, I couldn't believe it would happen, usually I would wake up and I'd be fine. My neck would be fine. But by the midway point of the day it was. It was just unbearable like I would pray for a stuffy nose so that I didn't have to. Sniffle my way out. It was so bad. And then, and that was three days that haven't for three days. And by the way, I Google that. And of course, you know, I think I googled the phrase. Why does my neck hurt? When I sniff oil or why does my neck hurt from my cold can your neck can a cold 'cause your neck to hurt, tried every way to find a result for this and did get a bunch of results oddly. I'm actually shocked most of which were meningitis. It was like sim- some symptoms of meningitis are a sore neck stiff, neck. And I was like, oh shit. Shit. Do I have meningitis? Do I have men into? By the way, I texted my cousin Victoria, who was on a two weeks ago. My med school cousin. I told her I'm like, I'm sorry. You're going to be getting texts like this all the time now that you're almost a doctor in especially once you are doctor, but. I was like my Texas basically do I have meningitis? Do you have a fever, as like no? She's like you don't. But apparently. You know, meningitis is like what is it's like swelling, the brain? It's something affects your brain, but it can cause like a sore neck and I was like, oh my God. So for three days, even even though my cousin was like you don't have been dry this, if you don't have a fever. The pain in my neck was so, bad and so unfair. That is, like, I, I kinda think I might have meningitis. But then I got this thing like, by Saturday, developed a bit of a cough. I think from all the post nasal drip down into my lungs and I got this thing, an additional pain. Just sound like a psycho. This additional pain where anytime I would cough. Even just like a really faint, like. I got so bad that I tried to cough as lightly as I could to clear things out. But if I did just normal, even a light cough, the pain, the headache, the part of my headache in the temple and behind my eyes anytime I coughed it would put pressure on that headache. And I once again, thought I was going to pass out like the pain was so bad. Every time I coughed felt like somebody just bare knuckle punched me in the in the temple. It was so bad. I'm just not a headache guy. Is that it I'm just not a headache guy. I hate the. You can hear me type. But I'm using different microphone. I'm using my condenser mic, which is on a stand on my desk. I guess, when I type it just five rates right through the microphone so you guys have to deal with it. I mean, I guess we all have to deal with it. So that was my big scare for the week. Meningitis scare if any of you have had meningitis hit us up at no docks podcast, g mail dot com. That's an Odio CS podcast at gmaiLcom I need to know more about meningitis. I need to know if you, especially if you guys have any of you have had it, and have had neck problems. This was so weird to me. This was so because I never the whole week that I was fighting this cold, and even when I gave into it, and had it I, I never really felt sick like I still had energy. You know what I mean? Like I could get in my car. I walk out to my car, and go down and get some soup at the store. Never never laid me out if that makes sense like usually. Even with a cold at some point. I know it's gone from. Oh, maybe it's just allergies to no, I'm fully sick. I was still never one hundred percent. Convinced it was a cold, even though you still kinda hear the sinus inflection in my voice, but I was never a hundred percent because I was never like. Tired and usually I can tell by like a go to the kitchen wash dishes. Or I'll take some trash out or make my bed, and if I'm sick, a fully like just that, just those super basic activities of making my bed or doing some dishes. I'll be drenched in sweat, and just need to sit down and rest. I never had that this past week. I did have really bad sinus issues. The headache was the worst the neck ache was bad. So any of you who have any insight to what the hell was going on with me, by the way could still be allergy related. It's really bad. Right. Everything is blooming in my neighborhood. So I'm I'm still not, you know, past the fact that could have been allergy related. But I think it I think it was a cold, I think it was because I have been dealing with. A lot of driving around in errands, in watching after my mom and getting food and helping my sister out and just constantly just doing stuff for my, my mom, and my sister, and the Caisley running out here to get my mail and driving back, which is, you know, like an hour and a half drive. You know both ways. So three hours of driving just. I was just a wreck just frazzled mainly mentally just like I just wanted to rest. And so when I got out here last Sunday. Excited to do some press stuff, and, like some other, you know, the screening, but not a lot of busy stuff. Like I had a lot of time like could nap and I think once I just got my apartment laid down. I think my body was like, oh, we're, we're back here. Now you have some time. Let's, let's just let's detox everything get you sick. I feel that's what was going on. But who knows. I'm no doctor. I don't know what it was. Still have a little stinging in my sinuses. So who knows? I would have gone back to my mom's place. Probably like Friday for the weekend help out. But I honestly I didn't wanna get her sick. If this was a cold, my mom's going to be seventy nine on Friday. By the time you're listening to this, it will be tomorrow, tomorrow will be my most birthday, seventy ninth birthday. I my biggest fear is now getting sick. You know, I'm sure her immune systems, not the best because she's just been laying in bed so much. Although maybe it is good because she hasn't been out around other sick people. So I just didn't want to. Handling her food and stuff. And I don't know. It was good. Also, to have a few days to just lay lay on the couch in bed and. Do nothing but yeah, my mom update on my mom. She's doing a lot better. I I've talked to her every day on the phone. She her spirit sound great. And I think a huge part of that is because this goddamn bathtub that she now has for those you've been listening regularly. There's been a lot of construction upstairs in the house. And they've been just tearing the gutting the bathroom to put in this walk in bath up for my mum. And for those you who have not been listening or new to the podcast, you know, my mom seventy nine she hasn't been able to take a bath. Since back before my dad died, like almost five years ago. She's just been a shower person. It's, it's just easier for her to get in and out of the shower. There's a little bench thing in the shower that she can sit on and clean herself. But she loves baths. I mean, all growing up that was her thing like she's like, all right. You guys watch TV had dinner. I'm gonna go take a bath. It was like the typical Calgon take me away like my mom, just loved a Philip baffled, bubbles or oil and just get away from the kids and my dad for an hour. She hasn't been able to do that for five years because she'll slip getting getting in and out of her bath up. So. They're putting this bath of in the guest bathroom, which is just down the hall from her room a little bit. And they had to take out the old bath tub and the toilet in the old in the sink in vanity and the and the floors were just all I talked about this. The floors were all screwed up in warped because. My parents had carpet in the bathrooms. That's so weird. I won't I'll just reiterate how weird it is to have carpet in your bathroom. You're just asking for mold. You know you step out of the bath tub or the shower with wet feet like that water is going to soak into your carpet. So, of course the floors were off up. So they had to redo the floors. This has been like over a month. You know, these friends of my parents have been working on the, the bathroom. But they finally, you know about a week in about a week ago. Got the floors all, you know, put new plywood in there in the floors are all level in nice. And now they put the bathtub in and I don't my mom was gonna have to wait, basically until the whole bathroom was finished like until he retired the floors, at least, but I called my mom on Wednesday or Thursday night of last week and she's like, oh my God. She's like Eric the friend of the family's doing all the major plumbing electricity in. Doing everything. She's like Eric said the bath tub was great in the all the seals were dry and glue. And she's like he said, I could use the bathtub. I took a bath tonight for the first time in like five her. The sound of my mom's I could cry the sound of my mom's voice just from taking a bath. Was so such a relief for me to hear. She's like all she talked about for like twenty minutes while it was on the phone with her. Oh my God. That bathtub is amazing. By the way, it's a huge bathtub. It's you know, it's got a door you walk in close it and turn this latching it seals. You know, rubber seals on it. So. And then you just sit in it. It's just this giant bucket basically with a bench seat in it, and it's more like a hot tub in a bath because it's got a little place to sit. And my whole thing was I, I don't know how this works like you take off your clothes and then you sit on this cold heart seat and wait for the bath to fill a huge bathtub, but she's like it fills up so fat because they're so big. And, you know, they they're made to fill up really fast if fills up so fast. She's like empties, even faster. You just. Flip the switch or whatever. And it just got a huge drain in an scores out, like really quick. So she loved it. She's like she's like I can just sit back and it comes up to my shoulders, and she's happy as can be, so that, that has me feeling so much better than my mom is now able to take a bath. It's never been my thing because I'm six almost six foot seven almost three hundred pounds. I'm a giant. So unless I'm like, in a hotel, like usually, if I'm in Vegas, how the hotels, have great bathtubs like. Just have these big, jacuzzi tubs or even just a standard room. I will definitely take a bath in stuff like that. But most places like my apartment, I will only sit in the bathtub if I have a screwed up like back if my back's messed up, or my sciatica is acting up. I have to soak it, then I'll do it. But it's not worth it for me because I'm so big. I first of all, you can only fill the tub up like halfway because once I sit in then the water just rises all the way up to the edge. But for the most part, I'm sticking out of the water from the ribs up, it's, it's. To the rest of these cold, or I'll, I'll slide down dunk, my body, but then I sit back up and I'm freezing. So I'm just always been a shower guy. But I'm really stoked that my mom is now. Able to do this, and she's like your sisters even been up using the bathtub. She loves it. So my sister's bathroom downstairs only shower. But she was just like holy shit, Steve. It's incredible. So any of you who have elderly parents, if any of you listening or elderly yourself and just feel unsure? It might be something might be a good thing to invest in. I mean they're not super cheap, but you can find them out there for, you know, my mom got the one. That's you know, we got her. The one that's no frills. But they have them with, like jets in them like. Massage massage seats. You can get one for ten thousand dollars. I mean. So. You know, they're pretty much all over the price range. So whatever you need you can probably find. And I honestly think I might have to try it out. Go home. I'm gonna go home tomorrow to my mom's birthdays, Friday and. So many go out. I'm gonna I think, for birthday, just by of bath oils and bubble bath and stuff for the tub and. New robe and on just all this stuff. She so stoked on the bathroom and. She was like Erik. There's this hole in the wall. And I was like, what's that for? And he's like, oh, that's in case you want to a TV monitor. Literally right across from the bathtub, so maybe I'll get a little monitor. So she watch TV in the bath. So yeah, but they're still, I mean, they're doing the drywall tiling the floor Muslims in there is just basically, it's still like a plywood floor. Talk talk about nothing for thirty minutes. I'm curious. Well. I've got. Something exciting coming up. I can't really talk about it yet, but there's gonna be some work for me in the future. That makes me really wonder what's gonna happen to this podcast because it's, it's it's big, and it's for months and months. So but that's not happening for awhile. So don't worry. But when it does come up, we have to put the podcast on ties. For at least a couple of months, and then come back with, like. Just a whole relaunch in not reform. But hopefully at busy back or somebody back. Just definitely gonna do patriot. So we'll have bonus episodes. We'll have merch will have. A lot of cool stuff, but still this podcast will not change. This will still be once a week doing this podcast, hopefully with guests that will not change. But if you want there will be options out there and honestly, I need to do it because I am running out of money. I it is what's the date today? It is. May twenty eighth. It's may twenty eighth. I have not worked. Since November of last year. So I haven't worked in six months, and luckily, I had money saved up from American Princess and from super store. And you know, other gig last year was really great for me. I was working constantly. Total blessing. Because in this business, it can just come and go, so. I was coming into the new year going, this is going to be great. You know superstores only halfway done. There is just I was on hold for the first half of this year, like multiple times for episodes of superstore. And then when it got down to the final shooting draft of the script my agent, Congo at it didn't make the final cut. They, they wrote, you out, you're not in the script that have been like four or five times between January and March. I'd still be sitting pretty but. The fact that I haven't worked yet is terrifying because. I have insurance through the union the acting union. And if I don't make a certain amount of money. Each year. I lose my insurance. So this Ray I, I'm totally set to not have any insurance after January, but this new job, I got it's going to save me for that. So this going to save me a little bit, but I definitely have to start doing patriot. Because this I enjoy doing this, honestly more than some of my acting job. I love talking all things medicine is, you know, mental health physical surgery. Colds. Hemorrhoids, by the way, best part of being back from my mom's house, is my day toilet seat. It's just. Can't stress enough? How much? You should try a day toilet seat. It's it is mind blowing when I bought it for myself a year and a half ago for Christmas. I was like, I'm just going to get this busy seems to love her. She talks about it all the time. Couple of my other friends are like oh, yeah. You gotta get one. And I got one installed it. Who doesn't want water shot on their butthole? Wait. We might have an even better title. For real though. It feels amazing. I my toilet C, which was, like two hundred dollars not too bad for what it does heated toilet seat heated water. There's some you can get with scented water. There so you get a three thousand dollar toilets Bedale toilet seat with so many bells and whistles. But I just I wanted a heated toilet seat. I wanted heated water for those cool winter mornings. But it is so affective like you just get off the toilet going. I feel so clean. And kinda tickles kind of feels good almost sexual almost almost not totally. But it's just like it's like a massage if, if feel so good. Okay. I'm sounding creepy now. But it really it really is a game changer. And, you know, when I've been out of my mom's house, often on the past two months. It's that's what's been lacking in my life. And, you know, the one day a week, I, I would come back here to my apartment to get mail. Really was also just looking forward to. Just spring water. But it's such a good feeling. So that's that. I was going to mention something else. The day. Flu map. I've been up I need date the flu map for this this week. But. I'm now I just I'm not fearful of the flu at all. I know I could still possibly get it. But I did get a flu shot which even if I did get it would lessen the facts. But looking at that flew map, things are looking awesome. There's a couple of states, where it's little sporadic but for the most part. I think we're out of the danger zone guys. I don't need a website like that. But I. I love. I love this time of year. I love that website this time of year. It's horrifying in the winter like oh God. It's worse. Oh, no. It's everywhere. I should be in Bali right now as to go to that meditation, retreat Bali and it was right now. But I had to give the definite answer my final payment for, for the retreat like a few weeks back, and I was just not sure where things were going to be out with my mom. So you know didn't happen had backout. I will definitely go back next year. I. Boy, you know, it was like a five five or six day, retreat meditation stuff really awesome at this great resort. But then Tayo who I've had on this podcast a couple times. My meditation teacher was like to be honest, man. You should maybe go a few days early and travel around Bali, stay a few days later and travel around Bali. See all you can. And so, I was like, yeah, maybe and then I started looking into hotels, holy shit. I don't understand how Bali is not overrun with tourists. It is so cheap. I was looking at like these resort hotels like resort, like four five star hotels, you can get for like sixty dollars a night, and that's for, like just the Royal treatment, but they're like, good, solid amazing hotels, that just don't have all the bells and whistles sorry to use that term again. But just don't have all the bells and whistles, but have, you know, everything you need in a hotel for like fifteen to twenty dollars a night. And once I started seeing that I was like, okay, I'm definitely staying for at least another week in Bali. But it didn't happen. But I now that I know this, I'm definitely going. I just hear nothing but great things about it. You know, it's got to be great. David Bowie went and ended up buying a house in Bali, because he loved it so much. Bali hai. Call. Lee. Hi. I should be a singer. I could be Joni case. Shod a man in Reno just to wall team. By when I hear that whistle blow in hang my head and cry. Oh down. Now. Yeah. Johnny cash is my jam. That's my vocal range, folks. In case you wondering. All right. I'm gonna go to some. I've been doing this forty five minutes. Shocking to me. Somebody with photos, okay? Cool. From a listener named leeann. Hey Steve, I dislocated my ankle and broke my tibia and fibula. Those who don't know, those are the bones in the lower half of your leg like below from between your knee and ankle, your femurs the big bone above your knee from your knee up to your hip. By the way, I've, I've heard that breaking your femur is the worst pain. There is worse than childbirth worse than. Kidney stones, I hear broken femur is where it's at on the pain scale. So many of you have broken femur not to take away from your horrible, horrible pain. Leeann, but I need to hear if that's true or not. Hey, steve. I dislocated my ankle broke my tibia and fibula at roller derby practice on Wednesday. Oh, cool. I thought you might like to see some fun pictures. I had surgery yesterday. Oh, wow. This is very recent and they put in a bunch of screws and a plate. Love the show. I've listened to you, since you started your podcast, will you ever do more episodes of that, actually? Yes. Leeann in fact, when I was back in Nashville a few months ago doing stand up I was there because of there's a there's a comic book called the goon. Created by sky, Eric Powell. And he asked me to come out. He was doing the twentieth anniversary show the twentieth anniversary for this. Oh dog twenty anniversary for this comic book. And so we had this big show and Nashville, where he lives, and it was me and Brendon small, and Ben grant from Reno nine one, one in the state and. Brent Hinds band. Brent Hinds who's in a band called mastodon, but he has another band called West End hotel western motel. Sorry, they played. It was just a really fun night. But I also interviewed Eric during the show live on stage four my podcast which will end up being my one hundred episode I capped out at ninety nine how odd is that, that I didn't finish. But I would like to do more, I will release soon as they get the audio. I will release the one hundred episode from Nashville. She said, I forgot attach photos. Oh. Took me a second. I'm looking at the leg in the phone. I'm like it doesn't look too. Oh, god. And it's right down above the ankle that looks fucked up. I cannot wait to post this. Sorry if I broke anyone's drum. Jesus. That looks really normally photo. Trying to figure out what's going on in the second photo. Wow. It looks it looks like the break happened, right? Above where you're roller skate ends. Like I feel like. Like your ankles, probably pretty safe. I dislocated it probably would have broken if you didn't have a high top assuming you have a high top roller skate. This is pretty. Fucked up. Just trying to figure out what's going on. That is so fucked up. I can't stop looking at it, and I cannot wait to post this for you people. Leeann that had been insanely painful. There's one more photo downloading. Oh, this is with all your pins in it, and your plate. Yeah. She's that was a good break. Holy shit. Congratulations on surviving that must have been horrible. I will definitely be thing this. The Hebrew GB's. There's just something weird about. I'm glad it wasn't a compound fracture. You know where your bone comes out of your skin that I can't handle looking at? Here's another one. A flag that so I remember to post the pictures. Okay. Okay. So here's one. From? We'll just say. The initial J. Probably be the last one. Sorry, guys. Trying to scroll area. The subject is arthritis. And Jay writes it aches, sometimes quite a lot. When my knees I went the aching pain at thirty was enough to make me cry. Every time I tried to go upstairs. I was able to see a physical therapist for for it. And as she was having me walk around to observe my gate. Oh my God. You hear that? I've been struggling so long, I blocked blocked a lot out. But once you pointed out to me sound like a bag of rocks and Rice, Krispies, have I read this one? I mean I know I've read it but I can't remember if I've read it out loud. I'm just going to keep reading this is nearly every new place seems to have that deep aching phase fry alternating hot and cold packs and see what helps if the cold makes things worse. I feel like that's more arthritis, and he should help. I also have impinged nerves in my arm at the neck elbow, and wrist both my hands have had periods of time where I couldn't make full this, or Ben those fingers on the left hand. They couldn't even pull side to side. I was live long and prospering, everyday nerve conditions. Studies are often done with an acupuncture, needle except electrified, the first time it was hilarious. I didn't have control of my arm when these apt it if flopped all over, I don't the doctor appreciated. My look at me bride of Frankenstein moments. The second time though it was so much more painful in this happened. It's pretty fascinating medical tests to endure though I don't want to give you to many spoilers. I'm going to click on this. Some insane bruising. Cheese. Louise out. Trying to get back to the human. I also had a splint made for sleeping, and it was amazing used a hot and remold -able plastic to create a splint fits you. Exactly in comfortable. Pose never find any I never find any of that wrap in a towel thing useful. I just take. I just take all that improvise stuff off in my sleep. Yeah, I'm the same way and now I don't need it unless flares up again. I definitely suggest getting checked out because you'll get better faster a weird combo of impingement arthritis, mile mild, injury, inflammation, and whatnot. And it always takes forever to get better because my diabetes slows healing the nerve specialists said the diabetes didn't 'cause it for me, just slowed, the healing PS. Glad your family is doing better. You take such good care of. Thank you, Jay. The sorry you're going through all that. That's horrible. My left knuckle still bad. I ordered a one of the splints for your knuckle those trigger finger things waiting to get that see how that works. The wrist braces, just not doing it for me. Not the wrist the elbow braces. Really not doing it for me. They actually make my forearms really sore. So I don't know. Maybe I'm doing it wrong. I just need to go in and see orthopedist I think. And that will really get to the bottom of this. I need to stop self diagnosing you know, I gotta stop using the internet and stop using you. Like come on Steve, the whole purpose of your podcast is to get people to go to the doctor's when something's wrong. I am not above that rule. So that's what's going to happen. I have some time coming up, obviously, I think I'm getting my tooth finally pulled next week. Unless I get a job again. That's the weird thing at my dentist office is they have a guy come in, like a specialist who pulls these teeth out that does the bone graft. These only in there one day a week. And so every time they've scheduled me. Something has come up work related, or I, I know I haven't worked, but, like audition related family family related where I'd leave town the last time. I just want to get this tooth done out and done. I'm at that point, or it's beyond like I guess I can't do it. Justify justifying getting it done. And it's not the fear of having a tooth pulled. I don't mind any of that pain. Any any of it at all? It's fine. It's, it's the vertigo. It's because it's in the top tooth. The upper teeth, it's the far back so they have to lean your head back farther to be able to see up there and the farther, I lay back the worst my vertigo get so that's not something I'm looking forward to. But I just wanna get it over with. So I'm at the point now where I'm like, fuck it. I don't even care. Bring on the vertigo. Let's get this tooth out. I think it's going to solve a lot of my sinus issues too. We'll see. I think that's time. It's been pretty close to an hour guys. I hope you are doing well, all of you taking care of yourself have a great summer summers upon us now. Stay cool. Stay hydrated, stay safe. Don't those go out? Running around on the freeway guys. I'm no doctor. But I do know that's not good. All right. Yeah. That's it. Oh, the American Princess the show. I'm in about renaissance the renaissance fair airs this Sunday. June second on lifetime. I'm not sure the actual time. But if you have lifetime you can look it up, easy peasy, lemon squeezy. It's called American Princess. I'm in, I think eight of the ten episodes, and I think it's a really funny show. So check it out this Sunday, June. Second lifetime. All right. That's it hope you guys have a great week and weekend take care of yourselves by. A podcast network.

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Barstool Rundown - July 25, 2019

Barstool Rundown

27:07 min | 1 year ago

Barstool Rundown - July 25, 2019

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There's something wrong with that kid. We all know it. He's always doing something shady but this is this. I don't understand there's GonNa be some who wrote the story even more to it because K. Mart yes. She's like an incredibly she's really famous right well. I mean she's just a youtube the first one to hit a billion loops or whatever on Brian Wherever you she's painfully not now. She makes sure that she makes comedy videos. There's a lot of toward like six year olds <music> but not on purpose like the humorous for six year olds. Can you hear like whispering. I assumed you could hear this really bad comedy videos you so here's the thing she's hot. She got in at the right time and there's a lot of fucking money to be made on the Internet. I understand that it's crazy like she makes more than Steph Curry. I don't know if I believe that by one dollars I believe what is this is. Her instagram posts are more valuable than steph curry totally makes sense. Yes that is not a big deal like she's on the Internet. She's a hot girl. That's her business. SCH- steph curry doesn't make a lot of money. He's making no eighty million dollars so author reticent to all these numbers say what they make. It's all the data Rochelle Shit what they could meet yeah. I'm like your instagram post. I mean we probably have that calculator erasure they. Celebrate ten grand or seventy five hundred bucks. What would you think do you think they'll ever be a youtuber that retires? That's one of my I'm always fascinated with like. Will there ever be a point where it will be like. You'll meet someone who's in this huge mansion and like how'd you make your money youtube back in two thousand seventeen run yeah. I walked away from the gate. I'd go to the hood and step on Jordan's right in these youtubers. I think they'd just work forever because they burn through their money. I asked you a question. Do you think we're ever going to retire good question I don't. I don't think we do not I think before I think everyone who was on the Internet just keeps word. That's what I'm saying like. Rule will be the first. I don't think anyone if you dive Lima's youtuber famous vine famous whatever it may be no because we saw a new career. There's no pack. Here's why you won't tires if you were to retire today. What would you do tomorrow same same shit? Why would you retire? I'm going to go on the Internet. I don't know I feel like that's I guess the difference is is the Youtuber is they're passionate youtube. Yeah Yeah like for us. It's different because if you ask me if I retired tomorrow what I do I'd still watch sports. They'll talk so you know what I mean. It's a little different. It's pretty much my only hobby is their only hobby you tubing youtube. He probably I guess Yes oh also I mean usually what I at least looking at this girl's pictures. She's like on a beautiful beach with a dog like taking pictures right and making videos. They're like you're GonNa WanNa keep doing those things right. I just searching her studio and she's McMahon. I gotta make another Youtube Video. I'm going to fly to Dubai for free and make a video. The whole life on the Internet might as well keep doing it and maybe just the fascinating part to me is will there be like thirty years. We'll be a fifty year old youtubers. I can't retire you got a candidate. I gotta go pranking people. Does I started eating pizza right now. He just retired. You said that you might die. If someone dies here here does the funeral made into con. We're talking about it. The other day you hate was logger Demi busy in just a few big funeral lifestyle. I think it depends I hope so if it was dave yeah I even like one of us. Probably what it was like so why was hypothetical because we basically said that we need to have someone go Videotape Wide Pee on his parcel outdoors not for parcel outdoors but just in case dies so we can release the footage Steve Irwin. That footage never got out. That'd be lending away from right huge like you know people lining the streets for my funeral livestream I want. I want on record. I WANNA fuck. I WanNa Mardi Gras. I want anyone meaning. Meanwhile the parliamentary brass band I WANNA be like paraded down the street and the war you know we were saying that if I if I died they would just stuff me which in the pile yeah and put me just sitting at my desk. Gangsters people just keep sending stuff in the L. keeps growing in Memoriam great dead stuffed body in this office. It's honest to God it wouldn't be that weird. No wouldn't it really wouldn't be it would be like it's a bit strange. It would be weird to have to explain to people we'll make. We'll be like dead bodies at the desk already when I'm sitting in my there's definitely people who just sit here frank. He's got Vertigo Vertigo. You don't have vertigo you fucking idiot that means you don't have the disease sometimes goes dude you don't yes. I do chiropractor diagnose chiropractors fake. What do you talk to fake doctors? I went to one. I know they're fake accu back. I don't say it's a fake doctor boy. I don't think I don't think a chiropractor background crack better. We'll speak about diagnose vertigo he crab. You're back to make you feel better sure I they have you ever had vertigo. No Vertigo Vertigo Vertigo is something you telling you then. They get nervous but I'm GONNA have to go out to come back and give you the worst about it too because everyone's don't touch him I want to go from. Like crossing couldn't be credible. Everything was leading that really thick and then you know but in the same breath last night he's fucking drum solo over here. Let me go on. Let me in your chair for a minute and we'll find out shut the fuck rose to do you think used that. You're only runs around yeah. I mean you know I was wrong. The whole time it wasn't Kohli said it was like anxiety or something so the same realm is you can't look down. He can't be in big places it gives you the best places the swinging and message yeah that was looked up at the combine all time that's that's one of the one of my favorite bars loves aw groin. That is definitely a I. I've been doing this for twenty twenty one years I think I I've never seen anyone miss. You can't look up because the vertical that has to be a cough. I just falling because you can't look up. The Sky is too spacious in Vertigo Outta here. You're fine frankie totally find your stop being a baby. We were jamming on the drums allnight. It's a great job by the way heck heck of a drum soul. I don't know enough about Mulki. I don't know enough about drums in the profession to say that you did a good job so I actually i. I don't know when it first started the buckets and stuff like any little kill can do eat a you might be good you might not. I'm not going to suck your Dick about being in a he's like buddy. You were hitting those tubes hard to dumps hub tubs around that sticks and hit some hard. When are you going to fully embrace drumming style? She doesn't really bitch doesn't Mesh with doing view. That's what it is and also the golf course wearing a headband with my hair. Flop doesn't fit in and yeah I guess so now. The BRYSON WON'T BE FRIENDS WITH YOU WELL NO I. He's definitely afraid he's like you can't go trump to supposed to understand that. Try and Overdo the guy that you're filming behind the camera. Rocking like a normal person would be like my cameraman dresses Kinda cool he would be like what the fuck are you. He was supposed to be done with views to never stuck in purgatory like the gift of John Travolta looking around like Frankie and twenty twenty one for the new Frankie. I know it's coming there. has there been all the candidates eliminated no. I don't think don't trust him. I I enjoy doing it. I've been doing the piece of us all month. We've been doing everything data's been helping. I have to go and fees. Irvy's are what caused your verdict. Yes of course you got out of bed fast to get the phone someone from a piece of us. Call you WanNa hear a tricky this. This is a jumped out of bed started to get the vertigo and the key in like. I'm like the world's fucking spinning I answer the phone like hello. He Goes Frankie. This is supposed to bring the pizza today. My pizza place got taken out by tornado and I was like what what what I was on another world first of all do the world's spinning and your pizza place what it's gone. I'm like we'll place mashpee hyenas man. I thought it was heinous. Go to get your are you say from Hyenas uh-huh Vertigo you idiots. We have to get to the second topic thirty minutes. Sorry <hes> Jaylo Header Fiftieth Birthday. Your boss a-rod threw her a party fucking awesome. <music> she's she's not human. She's aging backwards. She's the Benjamin Button Meyer everyone else her to be. I think she made in Baywatch and that's her birthday. She's going to surpass Brinkley like I think I think she'll end up. Being the hottest really is what sixty three but I think at this rate J. Lo will be hotter at sixty three. She's like getting better but she was talking rocking fast. I'll ever bought jail on the I would hope that doesn't change your Jas J. J. on the six and forty years the first on the six Jenny from the block era border Porsche Porsche which is like that's nice but it's also just like me a cheeseburger what I'm saying. It's a good J.. Lo was probably put it with the other portions <hes> next up the blue and of the day Labatt blue is great summer beers very easy to sip on they got the Blood Orange pomegranate the lime flavored not too overpowering with the flavoring but just a little something they make it switch it up a little bit when you're doing your summer drinking by the beach by the pool. 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Yeah Yeah Okay. Ten minutes is Susan. All these people cameras. Get the fuck away from me. I'm gonNA tell by the way it's almost like if you want to go out to the bar. Yeah sure time comes you cancelled that. Have you guys ever been like invited to cancel wedding. I always wanted to be the people I know they got invited and then <hes> <hes> you know they got the save the date and then in that three months spin it. It's not happening live like Oh. You mean like I'm thinking you mentioned. She didn't walk down the aisle. You know what it set and then like anytime between clean the invitation and the wedding never done it. I've never I also see that at that. Point you go through with it. Yeah not stay married rarely just get married. You can't be the guy got the invitations you picked everything out. You put a deposit. Was it down all the only thing I disagree with that. 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How to edit Insider Art with comics editors Shelly Bond and Kris Simon

The Complete Creative

56:48 min | 2 months ago

How to edit Insider Art with comics editors Shelly Bond and Kris Simon

"Welcome back wannabes creators to another episode of the complete creative. The podcast that helps you do things with creativity today on the show I am thrilled to welcome back Chris Simon Mico editor of the through hard to spell anthology and Shelly frigging bond. If you don't know Shelly Bond, she is one of the seminal editors of the twentieth century and twenty-first-century. She was one of the founding editors of Vertigo she worked on just so many incredible comics. I can't even name them. She was the editor responsible for the black crowd imprint at id w she did the FEM man feek and the current kickstarter insider art. Yes. She has a kickstarter right now. Which is why she is on this show, we're going to talk about insider art with both shelley and Chris as they were two of the editors on the project and Shelly oversaw at all and I'm just so thrilled when I made a list of the top ten people I'd like to have on the show when I first started, she was one of them I highly highly recommend insider art on. Kickstarter I bought the PDF, and now I've also bought the soft cover. I really absolutely love it and you can also find my book by Jones Monster Hunter, which I also love star right now we have just released the second volume. This is the second. podcast in our sort of kickstarter a month series. So please heading over to kickstart, check out both insider art and by Jones Muster hundred volume two. And now as I've been doing recently, I'm GonNa put you in our conversation already in progress you guys both have worked with I. Don't want to say difficult. But let's say people who are ambivalent to deadlines and I would like to know what is the best trick that you've ever learned to get people to get their pages and on time showing Donald I. Well, I thought you would never ask. Okay. First of all I'm a little resident res- reticent to give away all of my editing secrets. With the first question, but I will say I think that's the most challenging part of editing is. Tapping someone on the back very kindly and saying. Get away from the page. It's hard to know when to call it quits because I think a lot of people either either overwork their stuff or they are just Not Ready to let it go. So the trick that I have is to give people impossible deadlines like to set up your first deadline and know that almost no, one can meet it. That way when you call them to ask them where it is and they, they tell you their tale of woe. You know you have a at least forty eight hours to really get them to hustle, and I for me that does the trick or else I come over to their house and I stand over them and watch them with a really mean look on my face. How about you Chris? I boy minds a little bit easier. I just had the deadlines like hardcore So. Essentially, you get started way in advance but you keep the deadlines like you haven't started in advance and then knowing that pretty much everyone's GonNa blow it and you've got a buffer at least three weeks I mean at the least sometimes that doesn't work but the majority of the time I think it can it can save some Bacon for sure. And I think in fairness you know sometimes just the threat of firing someone shows them how serious you are. So sometimes I just I send people a list of all the people I fired. And I. Know I know like right now David Walker who I'm working with embitter root. He said that I bring the thunder and lightning and he's legit afraid of me and he calls me the brick behind my back. So I think sometimes having a reputation like that means that you don't have to say too much other than the F. Word which in my case fired. I love that I told my editor that I was scared her and she's like, how could you possibly be scared of me I like I'm so nice and I'm like, yeah, you're nice. But like you hold like. Future. Like, very few people in my life like have the kind of sway that you have like you could be like this. All sucks and I'd have to like go back and Redo it and like I it's it's something that. Power absolutely it's absolutely power I had a funny story I'm a friend of mine a couple of years ago or maybe it was last year. I don't know time goes time as weird these days and he was like he called me he's like I think I'm getting padded because my editor stopped being nervous when I was late. That's pretty astute. Yeah. That that that's a that's a telltale sign I think. Yeah because he's my editor was always like very nervous when I would miss deadlines and then suddenly last three deadlines I missed she didn't say anything she was just okay with it now it's like Yeah you're getting patted like it's not great that you need to get patted but at least like they're not gonNA freak out every time that you're late with work now. Exactly. So Is. A who who are the pages getting turned into the publisher you know with a set print day and that's one thing. But if they're self publishing it in its arbitrary, that's another. Yeah. You guys make a good point because you guys. Have both all I know Chris and I am assuming shelly to of work with people who are self publishing as well as at a publisher. How for somebody who? Doesn't have that deadline of publisher How do how? How could you how convey? Get, better like meeting their own deadlines instead of just blowing off. Well you legit half to pick a date you know there's no question about it and I'm the kind of person like I am a creature of habit and I love cheat sheets I love to be cross-referenced and so I like to rely on tried and true methods and so for me back in the day and when I say day I mean nineteen. Eighty. 'cause I'M NOT GONNA reveal my age but you know we had a A theorem for like how you could what kind of targets you'd have to meet. To maintain a monthly shipping schedule and so when you hired someone to write a monthly script. You. Of course like Chris said, you would start out. Six to nine months in advance to like you know, of course, get three books in the drawer. But to write a twenty or twenty, two page script like let's say a traditional comic book script, it should take you a week and so. That week means you're deadline is a week from today. And if it's a Friday the editor would get the script and then I would say I tried to turn around my feedback within forty eight hours. So once the writer would get my first round of notes. I, want the to come back in less than a week. So you know you have your own metric and you have to stick to it but I gotTa Tell Ya I. think that's how we were able to cultivate some of the greatest writers in comics if I can be so. Bold and stroke my own ego. But I think that a lot of us including Chris, you know we kind of came of age in comics in the ninety S. We all had our own particular methods of editing but there's nothing like having a deadline where you can't put put off your editor you have to just get the work done. I think a lot of people reading comics now sit around and think about writing comics or get on twitter and talk about reading comics, but the actual art of typing the words. And submitting the draft I think that is a crap shoot and I think most people are not writing or certainly not writing enough and I think sometimes they're afraid to let it go and that's a big problem. Absolutely. Kristie, anything that. knows. Very well. Said you known a agree with it I think For for the writers is a little bit easier at least, it should be a little bit easier If they already have something in mind or if they're more, they're going to be going for the now we around you know that that. No problem whatsoever. You know the art will be more difficult. You know because. I don't know it's just artists take a little bit longer some to Bluejean today some. Take. Longer young. But Yeah I. Agree with all that like sometimes you gotTa. You gotTa deadline man knuckle down. And that's how and that's that was one of the beauties of working. For Vertigo in the nineties like I think that in today's market, you have to knock them dead with issue one because you probably won't have an issue six. If you don't come out of the gate. Strong. With your first story line and so back in the early nineties when we would finally higher teams for one of our books, let's say it was like a book like Hell, Blazer? That was like a company owned book. You know we would have our the outlined for the whole year set usually before the writer would actually sit down to write the first draft of issue number one, and that was the beauty of long form and I miss it so badly because while mini series are fine and while thinking about comics in TV arcs are fine which was something that evolved and became more common in the two thousands. What was genius about the comics of the nineties and what I loved is that you could hire someone like Mike Carey who was really a newcomer to comics when I started working with him on Lucifer and. Got To cut his teeth on that series and it wasn't easy for him or the entire team at the gate. It took us all a while to find our footing and in fact, with that book. Kris Weston was our first artist and Chris did a wonderful job on the first three issue storyline but he wasn't quite as happy with his work and he left the series. So we actually had a fill in artist enorm- Ston who took over the art on issue for and it was with issue five that I hired Peter Gross who From the very first moment he and Mike. Collaborated on paper, they were like the Dream Team the two of them together made Lucifer into I think a successful series and and now is successful TV show. But that team you know like every team has growing pains and it usually takes at least three issues until the writer and the artist and the letter on the colorist and the editor actually find a groove. So I think what you're seeing in today's market is quite sad because you have publishers who can't afford to take a chance. On, developing talent and you also have publishers. Firing people at the top of the of the latter. So you have all of these talented editors who? Have spent many many years and decades earning their stripes and working their way up the corporate ladder, which takes a tremendous amount of time when they finally get to the point where they're actually you know sort of commanding their own imprint or their own part of a universe they're the ones getting eliminated and that means that all the other editors coming in and the new editors aren't getting training because. So many of today's editors are paper pushers or they're actually just facilitators and they're not taught the craft of editing, which is mighty and so important. ooh, that's a great segue to a question that I had because I would love for you to talk for a little bit both of you about like what is your theory of editing like what is like what makes good editor like what? What can some what should someone be doing to improve their skills and what you look for in an editor when you're when you're hiring them? Chris over to you I. Well I can honestly say that one of the most valuable things that I have learned is to know when to dig your fingers into everything in one to completely lay off A lot of times you know you come across. Editors. Who literally just WANNA put their imprint on things and so they metal with it you. WanNa to be the writer themselves, and so they just kind of interfere and they nitpick you know the wrong things because it's to their tastes instead of wanting it to be the best can be on its own. Have to influence the writer you have to enhance them, enhance the story, make them the best that they can be without taking your your personal like reflects into it because it's not for you. As an editor. You know you have to recognize the audience that is geared towards and sometimes that might not be you. You know so. You have to recognize talent on its own and I think the biggest things that a lot of editors are missing now as they, they just WanNa put out stuff that they personal like. Which I think is is holding them back in a way. I couldn't agree more more with what Chris says I. Think a lot of editors don't really understand what it means to edit and a lot of them are frustrated writers or in my case I was always called a frustrated art director which I found. Hilarious because I. Have More than arts background than I suppose a lot of editors Back in the day when I was starting out, most editors had an English degree or an English literature degree and I came from the film background. So I had an editing as in videotape and film and audio audiotape degree but I also took art classes in three d design, and so I came to the table, of course, needing to know correct grammar skills and syntax but I also came with this new understanding of visuals and so I came out from the different sides so. What I think is super important when you're editing is to remember that what you bring what the passions you have, and your other interests are important to bring to the table and you don't just have to be a super fan of superhero comics. To Edit. Comex. But you have to be mindful of every aspect of the process and the process of editing comics that. Tremendous is the fact that it's the art of collaboration and I think that that is what we were able to showcase. So beautifully, with insider art we were we were able to salute. and. Celebrate the fine art of comics as art form because there are so many different parts of the chain. From the very tiny kernel of an idea of comic to. The execution of it all and it's a chain reaction. So to me, the editor is master control. The editor is responsible for everything. You see from the logo on the cover if you can't walk into a comic bookstore and read that logo across the room fire, the editor. So for everyone who tease me about being an art director, I challenge you to look up Milton glaser because I follow his philosophy for what makes a great comic book cover, which includes a readable logo. An editor is responsible for everybody on the team feeling that their work is valuable and appreciate it, and that goes for the letter. So. While you might not be able to let her comics. It be a really good idea for you to understand how a comic book letter goes about doing his or her or their job, and in fact, that's something that I've loved doing over the past two years I've actually been lettering some of my own work and it's fascinating to me. I thought I knew quite a bit 'cause. I had the opportunity to work with Todd Klein and a ditch bit a car and Clem robins John Workman, some of the greatest loiterers in Comex and I've. been known to be a a stickler for comic book ballooning 'cause I believe in the flow the left to right top to bottom don't cross your tails, watch the curbing and the ligature Hey tangents. So it's important. It's important to know the language and I, think whereas Chris Christie's point is the number one like you gotTa. Know Wind alike put your thumbprint on it when it's not working but you also have to know when to step back. You also have to be educated because you can't expect your artist who may have gone to art. School? Who might have a degree in illustration or sequential storytelling? How can they respect you? If you don't know what horizon line is, how can they respect your art direction? If you don't know the difference between fine line or stealing or cross hatching, you need to really know your. Terminology, and you really need to understand all different parts of the business and the industry. So that, you can really confidently say that your master control the all seen I of every aspect of putting that book into the world. Well, let me flip this around and say, how do you know when to pull back and let the art speak for itself or let the artist or creator speak for themselves, and even if it's not something that you. Would do. Yourself. I think that that is a matter of just an editor knowing their business. I mean so. You, you can see three flaws in a story that you don't like. You can see that they're bearing the lead. You can see you know that that the ending is way off base and not as strong as it could be. You know you can see these things You know regardless of whether or not you're a fan of something you know and I think that's when you know. Okay. We gotta go back in. We got. We got to figure this out regatta replied we gotTa do you know some weeks on this You can see when dialogue is bad. Or if it works really well these type of things happen to everybody, it can be a matter of an experienced writer not finding the voice of the character just yet. It can be you know something that's You've they had an idea in their head, but they don't quite know how to execute it. Perfectly you know and that's where you come in objective I and you're not to it. You're not it's not your precious baby. Hutch. So and I think it's it's when you do have all those things clicking on all levels. It's very easy to take a step back and say. You. Know what this is working. This is working really well, and I don't need to step in and change it because you know you're doing. Well, this is this is good. This is wrong. You know and. So you just you kind of like step in where it's needed end and you don't when it when it's working. So in you know everybody who's experienced in this sort of thing, should not do that. They should know you know the when to go in when to step back. I think for me it's an instinct and I think the best editors have vision. I think they have core instincts and what they like and what they don't like and no apologies you know I have to say I've been spoiled because I've had my own imprint and Black crowned was a great example of my love for music and Comex and I was really lucky to have that chance to put together ten books that blew my mind that. That really cherished and looks at story I think an art in a in a in a very different way, and so for me I, just I I know what I like what I'd like to read I, know what captures my interest and attention. So for me even though I totally get what Chris is saying and sometimes you're hired to do a job and you actually you know you, you might not like the genre for instance but. You still got to be pulled in by the characters because you know every story has been done death one hundred times. You Know How many times can you re to pitch on Heaven and hell order versus chaos fish out of water story it's the characters and the situation and how your inner heart strings are tug debt that will make you a reader of this book or someone who's just going to stop reading and I always say when I sit down to do my I edit. Anything that distracts me from getting from page one to page twenty, two means. There's a problem for me as an editor with the story. So if I'm reading it and I'm laughing at jokes but then I hit a point in the story where I'm like Oh i WanNa, go get a cup of tea. Big Problem, and it's usually a structural problem because I'm bored. It's like maybe. The writer is new and didn't realize that if you have a twenty two page comic, you don't want your opening scene to be nine pages because that's almost half the comic you know could be something fundamental, but I always suggest at least for me as a reader I wanna read that script and I'm GonNa sit on my hands because as an editor for over thirty years, my linked is to take a red pen or read butcher knife and start obliterating but I really wanna read it the first time all the way through just to see if I can feel anything about it if I don't. It's a big problem, but it's only a big problem that demands a conversation with the writer and another thing that I see that is not happening enough these days I see a lot of editors, our editors on email and they say, hello, how're you? Where's my script and that's a they don't get the kind of feedback that people. Deserve which is a phone call to hear enthusiasm and. When I go to to make that first phone call especially to a writer. Who is sometimes inexperienced rider who I've worked with for twenty five years that phone call to tell him that the work shit. Well, you better believe that there are three things I'm going to tell him or her or them I that I love because if you can't find three things to point out even in a terrible script. You shouldn't have hired that person and maybe you should fire that person. So I feel like there's always room to salvage things a lot of the time because the editors are not trained to actually go about having a conversation and having a constructive session of feedback with their writer or with their pets ler or with their lettera. For instance, I think a lot of times because we're dealing with social media and because we're dealing with email. So much is lost in the tenor and the tenor on on email is so misleading and there's nothing quite as important as the human contact of at least if not in person the voice voice feedback. I definitely agree with that I want to move onto insider art because I've had a question at the dined ask you. I read it a couple of well like one hundred questions that Madine ask you but. You know you hear a lot about books being a a love letter to comics or a love letter to art or a love letter writing but. If felt like insider art was a love letter to editing. Did you intend that when you set out to make it? Yes. I. Did you got me. I didn't think anyone would notice I have to confess. Yes. So I've always felt like I was put on planet Earth to be a comic book editor and that was even before I knew comic books were still being made in the nineties. I love, the art of editing I`Ma deconstructionist's by nature, and I love to pull things apart a half to blame David Bowie for that one. Because one of my favorite albums is stationed station David Bowie Nineteen, seventy six and I always loved reading about that particular time of his life in Berlin because I had heard that he wrote the lyrics for station to station, cut them up through them up in the air and then reassembled them, and even if it's not true and even if I'm making that up. That's why I wanted to be a comic book editor because there's nothing more fascinating than finding people from disparate places whether that's dif- different parts of the world you know in this case inside art. We have artists from Greece. We have writers from South Africa. We have Canadian talent we pretty much go over the world to bring people together and there's to me there's nothing more exciting than finding a handful of people who would never have met except for wanting to tell a story together on paper and pass the baton and literally go from person to person from place to place and. Come together to make a statement and hopefully change a life in that way. So. Yes. You found me out. This is a love letter to editing and all its bloody red inked glory. A love it because I mean I don't know any of the editors personally I. Mean I know you by reputation and your work and I know Chris like personally and I was. Pleasantly surprised that you could pull out the personality of at least the two of you. Who I've had such experience with over the years I'm assuming the other six editors as well and each of those pieces, each of those, the way that it's constructed as well. Maybe you can talk about how it was constructed 'cause 'cause you made it but I love how the editors and each section felt unique in a way that I don't know if I've ever seen in a book before you could really say so you can tell that this editor style is like this senator cares about this stuff I am so happy to hear you say that. I. Hope other people would notice that. You know to be honest. We pushed it a little but not as much as the one hundred and fifty female non binary. Creators that were invited to join us you know we we. Editors were used to taking backstage. You were pushing other people into the spotlight. Christie. Agree with me on that one. Yes I totally agree. Absolutely. So with something like this, you know the beginning of the pandemic everybody was. Upset rightly. So pencils down was the new two-word was line going around at the big companies and I I a lot of obnoxious postings. I had still have a lot of friends and comex. So there was plenty of vitriol on my phone line and I thought God we can't do this. We can't just sit around and let this garbage happen. So that's really when I decided. Let's put a book together and let's show them how it's done because book like this no lie and again I think Chris can back me up if this was left in the hands of some corporate suits of any kind, I'm not pointing fingers at any company of any kind. This could take anywhere from a year. To. Never. It could take four years to put out a book like this. You know people are so afraid to. Collaborate at this volume. Of, this magnitude because they say editing is hurting cats that's such. A small part of editing editing is bringing people together to champion a cause to come together and to speak truths about things and so for me I was like you know what? I WanNa do this and I knew that if I did it myself, it would take six months because I put together. Hey, amateur and I did that. In less than six months but I I knew realistically, I couldn't possibly handle book of this magnitude myself. So I went to the facebook group called Comic Book Women I. Noticed That Amy Chu who who you might know is a writer and comex she was talking about doing a spoon flower. Fabric Jim. With a bunch of artists to raise some money and I thought that was a terrific idea. I loved it. I love doing crafts. So I thought yeah let's get. Let's do something like this but I wanted to take it six thousand times further and so I said Hey let's do something bigger. Let's actually Let's do an anthology, and so I reached out to Jen King, who is a retailer who? Really supported. So many of my blackout titles in my vertigo books over the years and I reached out to her first and she was. In I thought, she'd be a great person to have on hand to help me with the retailer side of things and I reached out to Mariah Hubner who happen to be one of my former assistant at is, and so that was a great thing and Chris I recall one of the first people to actually respond to the request was, yes. I some riot posted and. The original concede was a little bit different kind of evolved over time, and originally it was you know this blueprint of a housekeeper rooms and there's a cat that wanders from room to room kind of introducing you no worries and then there's an object in every room and you can click on an object in the stories are going to revolve around that object actually have to interrupt you there. That wasn't the original conceit for the book. I'm only telling you that because. What what we I always had planned to have eight different rooms and I wanted each of the editors to. Curate and edit their own section and I didn't want to micromanage people but I did have to set up a few parameters. Chris is bringing up something that was really wonderful that I wish would've worked out and I didn't mean to interrupt you Chris but I want I want this to to be on the record because it's important. Alison Samson. Is An artist in in the industry and she's I've known her for many years. Reached out and said, she wanted to be a part of the book and she's also an architect. So I actually asked, Allison if she would wanNA draw the blueprint of the House and I thought perhaps we could do sort of a website to correlate you know to sort of go side by side with the actual book and so in the very early days, what Chris is describing is just sort of the foundation if you will. Of the House itself and unfortunately, and I was super bombed but wasn't able to fully contribute and she was super bummed about it. She had a big project going on she was doing a sleeping beauty book with. Stephen Owen King and she also was based in London and there were a lot of problems with the pandemic and so I wanted to interrupt Chris just because I also wanted to take a moment just to thank alison because even though she never really was able to contribute to the project she was such a champion of the idea and I know she really wanted to so by interrupting Chris and actually setting the record straight this is my chance to say thank you to Alison Anyway because she's amazing. That's all I had no idea about any that I came in after that I. Think it was. One of those things where you know the the original, the concepts presented you know as in like, Hey, we're looking for editors you each get to curate your own room so you get to reach out. To female non binary creators and you get to do whatever you know whatever you want to do in your room as long as it relates to your room, and so of course, immediately, all the editors you know you go for the room that you must connect with obviously shelly for you, it was the garage because your garage fanned doubt. That is still not realized and I and I and even after doing that video would you believe I've had no messages about that? You would think right you. Mick Jones from the from big audio dynamite in the clash was going to see that video and actually call me up and be like, Hey, you know Joe strimmer would've wanted you to replace him. We're going to reform the clash. Would you be the guitar player even? But my love for Joe, it would just be enough but no. Well that was one of those things where you know i. it just everything just kind of fits together. Perfectly in that regard, we've got to live out some dreams through your garage and how to start a garage and all this amazing stuff and you know I did the same thing with the kitchen where I got to like you know and honestly it's almost craters drawn to you. So you know when I said like Oh, Hey, I'm doing this stuff for the kitchen. This is what I'm going for I feel like the ones who responded were the ones that are connected with and Every story idea that came in was something that I. was totally on board for it was just it hit our notes perfectly. Room. To represent an I have a feeling. You know that it was the same way with other editors as well. because we're recommending people to each other. Yes. Words was pretty great. It was a fantastic collaboration than. Hope, bathroom I mean right I think Nicole deserves a special special trophy with have to be like gold plated roll of toilet paper or something. But Poor Nicole, she was the last one in and it's her relentlessly about this because we were on zoom call with all the editors and I somebody had to say it and I think it was Chrissy. Williams you know we were we were joking around and saying you know. Most of US assumed that the bathroom was just going to be one big joke and Chrissy set you know I said like if if if we were inviting a bunch of guys to edit this book Chrissy said Oh they'd call it inside. Fart which we thought was hilarious. But Nicole. told me that at first she kinda was. Surprised that she was given the bathroom because she she thought God what am i GonNa do but then she managed. To blow her own mind, she turned the whole thing around and she made it this wonderful sanctuary for self care and rejuvenation and I gotTa Tell You I. Think it's one of the strongest rooms I mean, all the rooms were great but I think she did such a great job. She also went out of her way to have a little bit more of the conceit where she made sure that there was a story that was targeted for for each different age range from like young children all the way up through. I guess I'll say octogenarian but I'll say people older than me and I'm kind of up there mid-century. But I thought that was actually pretty cool and something that Mariah hubner did for her addict section, which I thought was quite nice. She was getting a lot of black and white art in and she said, she wanted to do sort of a transition from starting out with black and white, and then slowly unfolding tha color. So I think you'll find that each of the editors and in one case in the basement, we had a CO editing team. Each editorial editor editorial team had their own conceit. So it was never just I'll take a little of this and a little of that everybody. I. Think took care to curate their rooms in their own special way and bring in things that we're not just comics or or that we're not just crafts. except. Will actually I should say the craft room notwithstanding but I think everybody knew that they could bring in. Things that were like a bit different. So like for instance, I had Vida Yala. And Sally Reno and Gab contraire as. Contribute a game board. And it's not only a game board that Vida pitched me as candy land meets little shop of. which I started sweating a little shop of horrors is like a favorite. Theater show you know so. That's something that was fun. So we've got the double page spread of the game board and on our website, you can actually download it. We've got the game pieces that Sally did a beautiful job crafting and making sure they were representative represent they were representative of of marginalized genders and not just like what you would expect for for people as game figures, and we have the rules of this game which are terrific. It's kind of like Parcheesi, but it's not you have to see it and play it to believe it so. Each editor made sure to. Fill, their section. With things that were just unique. Although I. Have to give Chris some serious props because she put a lot of great recipes in her section and I'm someone who can barely boil an egg so I will tell you. I've made the banana bread which is divine and I know I look forward to actually sharing her family secret recipe for Apple Cider Pie which her dad I heard was not too happy. About. Sir. I stopped reading the book at one point and I went to my wife I did you know you could make catnip t like out of CATNIP and it's supposed to like help reduce anxiety And that was pretty amazing. Right Chris is at the one you wrote as well. That is correct. That's Nah. Was it was lovely to watch the like for instance in section and many of much of my research college lethem odd editor, and then you had model abs. Yes so Why thank you? I was the recurring theme of people. People people said you were you know a creative? Creators editor and. Editor, but they also called youth, Ahmad editor and then. Your section and Salt Maude leads was like it's just like the perfect representation of like everything that I've just been reading for the last two hours about about shelly. I'm sure my parents paid you to say that. Thank you. It's just you know what? Like I'm at the age now in my editing career where I can't help but just be me you know like I can totally be objective and if somebody said to me, they wanted to hire me to to edit a Western in outer space. I'm GONNA hesitate but I'm going to say would you mind if there's a soundtrack that by LCD sound? System. Can I can I somehow find something in this project? That feels me and if not, we probably shouldn't work together. So I appreciate that I appreciate that you liked that about my section. GotTa give props to China Clugston Florida's because she is my MoD sister in comics crime and other matters and she was a big part of the joy in working on this book. She not only designed our original house cat, which is a Tuxedo cat with I'm sure you noticed he was on the double page spread with the credits. When you first open up the book, he's a very cheeky cat. He's the one who who has the Canary and and a few other things and his feathers actually. Are Spread throughout the book China also not only did the MoD libs drawing, which is hysterical. But. She also did a brief history of garage rock which I thought was a lot of fun. Oh. Yeah. Both of them were great Chris. I mean I've had many. I've had many conversations with Chris about food over food and places like we talked about food and and so it was wonderful to see that and it was wonderful to see the craft room and it was wonderful to see like all of these things that like really. Like it really felt. Unique at into a world of comics that does not always feel that way right? Well, thank you I. Wish we could find hundred thousand people like you. Because right now on kickstarter, we are trying so hard to bring people together. So we can put these books in their hands and print because as you might know, the whole initiative actually was put together. Thanks to the generosity of one hundred and fifty female non binary creative. Because we wanted to raise money for our own, we wanted to raise money for the retailers who are female and non binary who were struggling and continue to struggle. So at the time of this project, we weren't even sure if printing companies were GONNA. Be Around to actually print books. So we decided to be smart. And I know I know that a lot of people were getting flack a lot of the big companies and the companies were getting flack that when pencils down was the new. Phrase. Nobody, went to digital. Well, that's what we did. We went to digital we went to gum road and basically. We asked people to pay what they want. We suggested ten dollars because that's still hopefully not a lot of money for people like the cost of a really fancy coffee We thought it was fair for two hundred and seventy pages of comics and crafts and cats and games, and just the experience of something fun to enjoy entertainment a little escape a little coming together as a community and all the money that we raised, which is now closer to six K, and five K. We're delighted to divvy up that money between twenty eight comic book retailers reached out for our help. So that's been a great pleasure, and in fact, were keeping the digital version on Gum road and we will continue to give that money to the retailers in question, and it's our great pleasure and every contributor. Donate their time and their skills, and we were not paid a red cent, which is one of the reasons why we wanted to go to starter. We wanted to make sure that not only. Could we put this book imprint I mean it's got a really fat spine. You are really getting your money's worth. It's twenty dollars, which is honestly steel. I think a book of this size. You'd probably have to pay forty dollars for from a publisher. So it's twenty bucks, and if we can meet our goal or target goal, it's all or nothing twenty five grand if. We reach that goal we could also afford to pay each contributor a little something because let's face it everybody is financially strapped right now. So it was kind of a bummer we had hoped we could pay the creators in the beginning, but we couldn't, and that's not really what the project was about and no one wanted to be paid I had a lot of people. Contributing extra things and they were actually said, it gave them. Hope you know it was something to do while the rest of the world was falling apart and I know it helps with my anxiety and that's one of the reasons why I put the project together because I didn't want to sit on my butt and just complain and just be depressed I wanted to step up. And make a difference and I really hope that people can look at this project and when they think back to what they were doing during the pandemic I can at least guarantee you that one hundred, fifty of us will hold up this book and be proud because we made a difference and we will continue to do so. You should be very proud of this book. Chris, can you talk a little bit about your experience on this book short? Yeah. I mean I thought it was just. One of the best opportunities to come out of the pandemic and it's my job hadn't so down at all since I work for video game company. So I wasn't furloughed have down nothing like that, but it also left me I don't know feeling a little empty I. Guess because you feel helpless when there's a pandemic going on all your friends are losing their jobs and you're all working from home everyone's isolated and then this kind of collaboration came along and it was an opportunity I, jumped up because you know the opportunity to connect over this project with all the different editors, all the different creatives in everybody just doing this voluntarily Just, gave you kind of a sense of camaraderie rotarian fulfillment. It was just a really beautiful thing and it it all flowed. So move it now there there were like a couple hiccups here and there, but honestly, it was just. Fun It was. It really was and and to go back to your first question, you know the deadline there of course, there was a deadline. You know there had to be a deadline and I made a really tight deadline on purpose because I knew we I knew other people were going to come up with this great idea too. I think you're seeing that now you're seeing that they're all these quarantine books and you know books about isolation and I think a lot of people had that instant reaction Oh let's let's put together a book about escape. Let's put together a book about. Better times and you know there's nothing wrong with that by any means but I didn't WanNa do one of those books I wanted to do a book. That could not only represent. These. Pandemic Times. But I wanted to do a book that like if your kid is home sick from school. Whole out inside art and do a chapter together, make some of the crafts in Sophie Dodge since craft room or maybe before you go to bed at night like your mom can read a story from the bedroom to help you go to sleep. I think back to my years at overnight camp, and sometimes they were not fun ones. But whenever I had like a big compendium with me at least that would save me it would give me something to do and so there were many many reasons that I wanted to do a book of this magnitude. It's audacious on a lot of levels, but it proves that. When you put the right people together in comics with no drama, we leave the drama for inside the story. There's always too much drama in Comex. This is the good part of comics. This is the art of collaboration and Colm Rotary, as Chris said and it and it was a great joy to work on it and I I have to say that in addition to. Dreaming Up. The projects and of course, editing garage land. I also insisted on designing and assembling the book because I am. A about a year in on my lettering career, which is perhaps I'm the first editor letter in Comex. I'm not sure but I I I want someone to fight me on that because I think I am. And I love design. So this was a chance for me also to be the assembly line and be part of the production, and so that was such a great pleasure to be able to design. So many of the stories and while many of the stories, many of the editors of their rooms hired their own editor letters I didn't feel offended I could pitch hit at the end. So if there was some problems at least i. Could come in and you know help out and maybe make it a little bit easier for the final, which again we're so proud of we. We can't wait for everybody to actually get their hands on a copy. So I'll. I'll say the kickstarter address for anyone who's listening who who finds it super exciting who might want actually order a book while listening it's kickstarter dot com slash projects slash Essex bond slash insider dash art. You can check out our whole campaign there and there's a really cool video too by the way. You absolutely should because like I bought the book because like I've of course, I was going to buy this book on the on the digital, and then when we schedule this, I was like I'm now have her have a reason to move this up three hundred in my cue to light right now and I was reading and I was like. Really do want this print like really really want this imprint. phyl kill and I have one last question as we're moving out because you did something really interesting about With the PDF. Almost, every PDF, no every other pdf have ever gotten chose to like do single sides do do like the not the full splash and When I when I opened this book I was like Oh hundred thirty pages like that's not that bad. It'll take take me that long and then I realized about five pages in everything was a two page spread. was there a reason why you chose to do it that way you know there are a lot of double page spreads in the book and I think that as a Reader you should know that and if you choose to actually zoom in closer for your reading experience, that's fine. But I think a lot is lost when you re digitally and something comes up but as a single page, anything that stops my reading experience is troublesome to me and I have trouble with that. When I read digitally I, don't like when I can't figure out. Oh This balloon it's not finished Oh. Okay. Oh all right. I need to read this as a spread that bugs me. No I, I appreciate it because you as and when reading comic solid or digital you often to flip your phone in the reading the reading experience. So it's like if for nothing else you should get the buck if not the digital at least the digital also like see the two page spread 'cause I opened it and I was like Oh, my God this is this is amazing like this. This totally solves the problem of like you always have to flip your phone every four paid. Of, course you should go to kickstarter and get the get the physical book. But like maybe you like me get both I don't know I like I like your style like your way of thinking. So, as we leave here as we leave the show I, just want to if you one last chance to make to tell people where they can find you. Please give like one last sort of takeaway piece of advice could be something you said before or something that. That that that you haven't yet like you've really is important to the making of comic- comics You can I Chris Chris why don't you start and then we'll go to an end with shelly. Sure. Okay, well. You insider is actually on instagram on twitter as well as kickstarter So you can find a stairs while as me I'm usually Chris, underscore Simon, cristache, Simon and. One of the things that I think was so great about this project is number one I got to work with. Shelly. Rate and we became fast friends and it was amazing and so that's best thing that happened out of his. Not to mention the fact that this book is legit. One of the coolest all ages compendiums that I've ever seen and I am so proud to be a part of it a yeah I will be proud of this book. Wow. I don't have. I can follow something like that although your dad has been paying me to be with you. And he's still mad at you about the secret family recipe. You can also get this book on Gum Road and All the proceeds from the digital version on Gum road. Go to our wonderful female non binary comic book retailers who are on the front lines all the time. please. Go to gum. Road. Dot Com. Stroke insider art I believe that it will take you right there and you can get the beautiful. Double Page spread. PDF that Russell was just just raving about and I just really want to thank Chris who has been such an amazing partner in editing crimes not only just in general on insider art but she's really been the backbone of the kickstarter campaign with me and without her again I I could have done it myself but I would not have been. Saying right now, it's really at least a two person job. So Chris has been the best and I want to thank all the other editors to and I wanted just quickly say their names because they rock and you should look them up and follow them on twitter. We have Chrissy Williams who edited the bedroom section Nicole boosts who we teased she's the bathroom editor. We have a two headed cat beast co editors, Elizabeth Brie, and Meghan Brown. They edited the basement we Sophie Dodgson who is the greatest thing to happen to comex in. A quarter of a century she is one tremendous time colorist designer. Fashion Easter clothing designer she designed the cover and the logo for insider art and she also has some illustration in the book. So she's a name to be reckoned with and a force to be reckoned with and we also have Helped me out Chris sure. We mentioned the attic editor I must be forgetting someone. John King John King our retailer liaison. You got everybody. Alright at. Thank you Russell. Thank you so much for hanging out with us for about fifty minutes and letting us talk at you about editing the greatest. Job anyone could ever have. Thank you for stopping by. So that was my interview with Shelly Bond and Chris Simon Pretty Awesome right I absolutely loved it. If you did as well, make sure to go check out inside art it really is a love letter to editing, and also while you're check out by Jones Monster Hunter my love letter to. I don't know it's weird like it's not a love letter psychopaths or anything like that. It's just an awesome comic, my love letter awesome comics. So check out both inside art, and it could by Jones Monster Hunter on kickstarter now. Make sure to subscribe rate and review the show and I will catch you next time.

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Anne Ortelee's August 25, 2019 Weekly Weather

Anne Ortelee Weekly Weather Astrology

30:09 min | 1 year ago

Anne Ortelee's August 25, 2019 Weekly Weather

"Hi everybody welcome to an or at least weekly weather. My name is an early. I'm an astrologer here in new york. I'm broadcasting tonight from the bright red desk which has big red mike computer back. She was off to the off to the computer repair shop optus week so it was a little weird not having big red but then good news was the desk had sunshine on it and remo really enjoyed laying in the sunshine on the bright right read desk and i should've taken a picture of it because now the red dusk is scott the computer back on it and <hes> no sunshine anymore but he really loved it. He was like all all stretched out. He's black and white cat. Look great on the red desk but now big read. The computer is back. I'm happy we're gonna laptop. I'm getting old my eyes need the big digits. Meet the big big pixels so we are here in virgo time lata virgo energy and so this is the weekly weather for the week of august august twenty fifth two zero one nine going into labor day going into labor day so we'll have the show next week. I'll be broadcasting from baltimore on my cellphone so hopefully we have good reception -ception but this is the week of the week before we go back to school. I mean some of the college kids are already in doing their orientation settling in but the school technically weekly. I always think of as labor day after labor day. We go back to school a few years ago. I used to rent a place on fire island and we always called the tuesday. After labor labor day tumbleweed tuesday 'cause it's kinda like tumbleweeds rolling through the town kinda empties out so <hes> we are in the last bits of summer summer. The sun went into virgo <hes> and we have thirty days till it goes into the fall season but this is what we call indian summer where we have warm days hot hot nights good for sorry reverse that warm days cool nights good for tomatoes ripening on the vine and also kind of a forward motion of energy. We have all the planets have moved into virgo mercury goes on the planet. The personal planets mars is in virgo venus in virgo son is in virgo and mercury goes into virgo this week and we have a new moon in virgo and i'm going to do a webinar tomorrow night monday night <hes> information on my website to register and if you've on the mailing list you would have gotten the newsletter so the new moon is friday but i'm gonna be in baltimore so i'm doing it a little bit early <hes> but yeah tune in 'cause virgo virgo new moon is at six degrees of virgo <hes> six degrees forty seven minutes. Whatever virgo is in your house but more importantly it has the <hes> it has mars and virgo mercury virgo venus in virgo the son in virgo moon virgo and <hes> juneau in virgo so it's kind of a big old virgo vertigo thing <hes> so we're really partnering with the virgo argo energy this week especially when it's mercury right now he's in leo so he's still making those virgo planets act a little leo like 'cause he ruled them but once he goes goes into virgo which happens on a thursday morning bright and early then we really double down on our virgo just in time for that new moon on the thirtieth and we're kind of in super virgo time one of the things we like to notice as whenever planets are kind of traveling in a pack like they are right now. They're on a little clump. They're all really close to each other it kind of acts like a little greek chorus and whatever houses in your chart in and finding that virgo house house and really kind of pushing the virgo energy forward and and having kind of accelerates amplifies it whenever we have three or more planets in the same sign and this time we have six and the sunrise the the <hes> the chart for virgo is sunrise you know so it's seven if we count the ascendant and didn't for the east coast <hes> it's very potent virgo energy you know really pushing us to that <hes> that new thing and and virgo virgo i mean i am one so i can say nice things about them and not <hes> 'cause. I'm when i can trash the virgos or be very supportive of burgos. They have what we call in anticipation corey anxiety things -iety so you might find. You're running a little anxious this week or you're feeling a bit overwhelmed or you're feeling a little like gee. There's all this stuff is going on. And how am i supposed to deal with all this energy this kind of vibrating energy of how do i do it. How do i do it. How do we do it. 'cause all the virgo planets wanna make it to do list switch means seven to do lists which feels like a lot but you know if you look. There's going to be items on both lists right. That are the same that item annette item so that's good and so your job with virgo is to kind of go okay. I see there's all this stuff we have to do. What is the most important thing now sometimes and i know myself. I'm virgo. My whole house can have gone to complete chaos but i'm in a role the coins so i take the coins in my purse. I have this little ritual of cleaning my purse out and reorganizing my money and i have a little corn roller and i put the coins in the coin rollers and then i roll the coins and it makes me feel very grounded. Virgo has their rituals a lot of times obsessive compulsive planets. It's our virgo planet so when someone says to me you know i have a little o._c._d. I'm a little obsessive compulsive. I'm like well. Let's look at the virgo planet's because they they liked to do the same thing. It makes them comfortable. It's their habit is the routine it makes them feel happy and so you let them do that. Little vertigo thing. When i was is in computers we'd finish a big project. I would go through all the papers. I would throw away the excess you know. All the trial runs all this you know the samples and the error codes i'd save the core minutes and the core meeting meeting notes and then i would shred the rest and then i would get out my windex and i would polish my desk and polish you know everything and might have a completely clean desk. I'm a messy virgo. I'm not a neat virgo disorganized for if you come to my house there's a lot of stuff. It's disorganized. Most everything is but but i would clean that desk off. 'cause that's what virgos do so when you have all these planets in virgo. There's this desire we're to clean and organizing kinda. Get everything moving again and structured again. He think about virgo time. It's going back to school and remember when you were a little kid head and you've got your backpack and you got your new pencils and you've got your new sneakers and you got some clothes and you know in my case. I went to catholic schools. You got your new uniform. <hes> now we get a backpack. You know there's operation backpack here in new york. It's all over the place. Give the homeless kids backpacks so they go to school with a full backpack ready. Uh ready to tackle the work of the school year and learning. We don't have a house for them but we have a backpack for them. <hes> so virgo is that organizational quality and because there are so many planets in virgo it kicks up virgos also digestive issues so watch for digestive issues right. Watch for <hes> things with food or things with things that upset your tummy interestingly here in new york. I was paying attention to to the news is it's going on. There's a lot of l._g. On the ponds around new york and if the dogs ruled by virgo go in the ponds they they die the poisonous and if you get in the pond you die and i'm like really algae pond in brooklyn. You can die yeah yeah right so that that virgo like pay attention to the little critters that can kill you great time to get lime disease so you get that little bullseye. You get a little flew in september. Go get checked for lime. 'cause virgo like hidden things shooting over the pace. These planets watch for any illness holness really pay attention to virgo his digestive illness but also you know your dog and get poisoned by l._g. Who knew <hes> sometimes. I don't like knowing all all these things but i'm like really that's the news and they're warning against dogs going in the ponds <hes> okay virgo right and it is pay attention to what's going on on pay attention to the process but the planets now want to get to work so really the best thing you can do with these virgo planets says put them to work and give them a vision and get them moving with the new moon virgo on friday. Everybody's in virgo and it's partnering with whatever your new work projects are great week to sign stuff great week to get things out the door. I will say this week has a couple of quite a few sesikwe quadrants and ceska acquired rates are stress but then you have to take action and do it so it's a square and a semi square together right so a square is i have to take action and the semi semi square is i have stress and so the symbol for it is a little square with a tail on it right the tail being the semi square and the bull square are being the square so that's quadrants are a hundred and thirty five degrees which adds up to a nine which is an action shen thing but there's anxiety before you do it and of course virgo is the sign of anticipatory anxiety it worries about stuff before it goes and does ah once mercury goes into virgo this week the amplification of that worry gets up there and again when you as a virgo. I have anticipatory gangs. I d i do not jump into pools. I weighed. I'm just i don't jump in you know wait in slowly right virgo so your job with this energy is to know oh that if you're having a pop about something or you're feeling a little anxious. That's exactly what's going on in the heavens. It's not a bad thing but it isn't anxiety eighty things so it kind of makes you look and go okay. Like what am i. What am i. What am i am a little worried. I'm anxious a little little o._c._d. Remember to turn off lamp hampton. I remember and a little obsessive. You know a little well. Maybe this maybe that maybe this maybe that maybe this maybe that all virgo right. That's virgo misfiring or firing firing in the way that it's good because remember it's job is to assess or the tomatoes ripe. Do they need more time on the vine. Maybe they're a little overripe. We should make some salsa or maybe maybe we should make some dispatch oh from them right so there's an energy here with verbal of wanting to do the right thing but not being one hundred percent sure what it is right right so just know that that's the fundamental energy of the week know that there's a lot of stressful aspects as these virgo planets ceska quadrant saturn in pluto and they go and sarah go. Please just do it. Would you just do it and you need to just do it right that just just makes it a lot easier if you just do it but it is stressful so we want to honor the stress of the week and honor that that that that's part of it and then the another thing to remember and i think not to put to a spin on this anxiety but way back when when i was dealing with my own anxiety after nine eleven was on my birthday and my office blew up <hes> made me a little anxious about writing subways elevators like being trapped. I was never great. We'll always always a little claustrophobic but it really made me and of course new york is the land of elevators in subways so you know you kinda have to go along to get along <hes> <hes> so i got sent to a new psychopharmacologists to get some drugs and i looked at her thing and i'm i called her and i'm like you on the tenth floor and she goes. I am i said oh i have. I have anxiety writing in elevators. Can i walk up. She goes <hes>. I don't know i don't know if you can walk up or not like really. How am i gonna get to you if i get if i'm too anxious. Can you come down and meet me a hobby. That's virgo come up with a solution to it. Come up with a way to deal with with it. Come up with a way another alternative to try it right. That's that then. The next thing is anxiety and excitement feel the same. I'm in the body right so when you really anxious you're also really excited. When you're really excited. It feels a little linking variety right so when when you're really feeling anxious just go this is really excitement masquerading anxiety or when you're really excited and suddenly swaps into anxiety and you're getting nervous say how this is really excitement that just took a turn and just know that it is an anxious week it has got a little bit of he because of all those planets in virgo and because of all this quad rates so you know and it's a new moon in virgo <hes> which is new anticipatory energy but mercury kary venus mars pluto burkey venus mars sun moon and juno all in virgo. That's a lot of virgo <hes> it then also means because you're so anxious you might be like let me see comfort in the neptune house because whenever you have three or more planets they shoot over into the pisces house right so it is a week when people are going to be a little more prone to pick up their bad addictions so double down your aim meetings double down on your okay. This is how to handle the stress because it is stressful and also there's just a lot to choose from or a lot of directions that are being presented to you as needing action immediately really if not sooner thank you very much. Do it and you're kinda like oh man. There's so much stuff to pick from and the answer is yes. There is <hes> and that's burgle right. Remember think of the harvest all the plans come in at the same time. They grow all of august. Everybody's laying back and quiet and let august is laying around on the beach having fun and then virgo. It's time to harvest the plants the tomatoes this that they're all done at the same time and you got a lot of work to do right so that's the energy of the week a lot of work to do busy days this week. When we look at the the calendar the busy days are going to be monday a lot of energy monday a lot of energy on friday that is also the beginning of a long weekend so friday and monday. I'm very busy busy busy and next week on saturday sunday those are nice and then tuesday the third very very busy easy so those are so this week monday is super busy and fridays super-busy a lot of energy around pushing the moon pushing the energy pushing the stuff <hes> because it's busy busy so just kind of note those tuesday's kind of quietly all right so let's talk about the moon today a day right now the five o'clock eastern time. These times are all eastern adjust for your time zone. <hes> the moon went into <hes> cancer today at about five oh five and it's in cancer today sunday and monday and it goes void at four fifty five in the morning on tuesday morning and then it goes into leo it's seven fifty three pm tuesday evenings so it's void early all day long on tuesday the twenty seventh <hes> it's and leo <hes> tuesday night from seven fifty three on and it's an leo all day wednesday going void at eight oh seven with a train nine to jupiter moon leo try and jupiter and fire. Oh i forgot to say the cancer moon monday is cancer moon opposite saturn so moon opposite saturn. Hiring is a good day to quit resigned go to do something else. Leave say goodbye done with us. Moon opposite cancer is separating aspect <hes> moon. Try and jupiter later on tuesday and all day wednesday very helpful very positive moonen. Saj is a lot of fun then it's void all day thursday and it goes it was into virgo thursday night at seven fifty seven as void with a nice closing aspect right <hes> it goes into virgo at seven fifty seven thursday night and it's in virgo thursday night all day friday and saturday until four forty eight in the morning when it goes void with virga moon trying to pluto in capricorn corn then it's void all day saturday the thirty first and it goes into <hes> libra. It's seven oh eight. Pm saturday night the thirty i it's in libra saturday night. Sunday monday goes void at four thirty three in the morning and again void all day monday and it goes void with it for thirty three it goes moon and lebron goes void with a square to pluto <hes> you know how we partner how we create how we move and that's labor day void all day labor day and it goes into scorpio. It's seven fifty three pm monday night and it's an scorpio monday night tuesday and then it goes voided eight fifty eight a._m. Wednesday morning the fourth with the sex style pluto and it is void all day long until eleven o eight p._m. When it goes into saj wednesday nights so what happens when we get towards <hes> the end of signs there are beginning of signs. We find there's lots of void moons. You know all day long void moon because it can be void for like two minutes or it can be void for for like a day so as void all day tuesday from four fifty five a._m. 'till seven fifty three is void thursday wednesday night all all day thursday until seven fifty seven. It's void saturday morning from four forty six all day seven oh eight p._m. And then as void monday dave from four thirty three in the morning all day to seven fifty three pm lot avoid moons closing aspects the cancer and the <hes> <hes> lieberman <hes> have heart aspects but the moon leo is very nice. That's got fiery aspects. That's tuesday night wednesday and the virga moon has nice aspects that's thursday friday and void <hes> <hes> four or forty eight but it's still nice on saturday until the closing trying and then the moon lieber tough and then the scorpio moon nice which is monday night back to work on tuesday tuesdays a very busy third so it's an interesting week in new new york the city kind of empties out like nobody's here <laughter>. It's kinda cool. Actually you know you're walking around. The streets are empty. <hes> because like a lot of people are on vacation so that's also it. It's the last week vacation before we'd be done for the year <hes> the summer is over <hes> so this week on friday the sun went into virgo and then on yesterday the venus and mars so we've got this new energy kind of beginning and then we have the new moon next friday again the new moon seminar tomorrow night monday night in virgo <hes> because i'm going to be in baltimore at the end of the week and i don't know what my internet connectivity will be <hes> hopefully good. It's a hotel that usually should have decent entered but we never know so. The sun is in virgo this week from to virgo two nine virgo go and <hes> as it goes through virgo. It's going to have some suspect quadrants to pluto which is remember the stressful aspect so the sun is going it'd be sesikwe quadrant to pluto on <hes> august twenty nine and it's also going to be suspect quadrant heiress on september fourth that is forming a hammer of thor in the sky because saturday arizona and the square and so that's a biggie hammer thor flying through your life august twenty twenty nine th through september. I kinda smiling things and getting rid of them. Son is also incan junk kyron on the twenty eighth bringing an opportunity for healing and they're also as a health aspect on the twenty six and the twenty seventh <hes> so there's some health stuff the beginning of the week but then then hammer thrower comes through and says done sun is also a <hes> co opening trying to urine us so it's saying think back what you started in when you're in this went into taurus first and march and now we're kind of getting the first harvest of it so opening trends are generally nice and they're productive and that's going to be on the twenty ninth also kind of captured heard between that hammer and the hammer of thor and then at the end of the week on the second of september mars and the sun meet up which is kind of an honorary aries energy she and it pumps the energy forward mark whenever mars when when normal planets like mercury venus whatever combust the sun they get weaker when mars ars gets near the son he gets like a rocket so you gotta rocket of energy on september first taking off right after that new moon right so that's that can be nice nice <hes> then we have <hes> a lot of energy on mercury running from twenty two libra through nine virgo virgo right so it changes signs in virgo on the twenty ninth and it's gonna be in virgo <hes> until we look it up in the calendar here uh-huh used to make these dates written down in early <hes> it's going to be in virgo until september fourteenth when it goes into libra so mercury and burger virgo one of his favorite signs plus. He's bossing around all those other planets so this is a really big. Get that stuff off your to do list and to done mercury three of course is coming into i work in a quintile aspect with pluto and the twenty seven th which is kind of creative and helpful and and positive and he's kind of supportive and helping you make the changes you need to make and then when he gets to the twenty eighth he moves into assess quadri because he's in and lately oh with saturn so he says to saturn. I'm i need to take some action here and i'm a little stressed out but how i'm going to do it so that's on the twenty twenty eight th and the twenty ninth mercury parallels nuisances ticket creative approach he he does and then he stops in virgo on the twenty ninth so then he's in virgo and then he forms assess quick quadrant with pluto in heiress at the end of the week on the first and the second a little hammer of thor mercury's for me as he hits set five six degrees virgo so we have a hammer of thor from mercury's point of view against mighty things that you don't need anymore even though you might think you need them and and he also has an aspect of heart aspect with the nodes of fate on the twenty ninth with suggests. You need to make some choices about how you're going to move. He has a health aspect on the thirtieth again. Don't fool around go to the doctor and he also joins <hes> juneau <hes> in kind of pops up the partnership russian or the connection energy. It's a great day for new partnerships on the thirtieth on the new moon and mercury joins the marriage planet on the new moon. He also has an incan jong to how you're going to proceed. That's okay. Don't worry about it. You know you get you know you make the commitment and then you should i have done that and yes you should've and then mercury also has a opening trying to urine us on the first as he lays captured between the hammer of thor in pluto in era so a lot of smiling this week 'cause sun and mercury are both smiling stuff out of their life then to add to the story venus also forms a hammer of store so we're really going to see this hammer of thor energy right so venus has she's going from five virgo to fifteen virgo so so she forms the hammer of thor august twenty six th through the twenty eighth and she has the trying to uranus on the twenty six so <music>. She's got she's forming hammer i between before the mercury and the sun get there. <hes> the son gets there again. The twenty ninth through the first and mercury we get there the first through the second so we're seeing this hammer form with venus and her swinging the hammer kind of think of it at who's at bat right <hes> <hes> venus also parallels mars amplifying her union with him this weekend and commits to hit the partnership that they're forming on the twenty fifth today ah tonight actually well broadcasting the show and then she's happy and then she try and saturn venus try and saturn on the first so she gets a lot done in his pretty productive and then she partners up on the second and says yeah this is the partnership i'm going to connect commit to as she comes to square square jupiter later next week mercury will square jupiter <hes> and the sun will square jupiter venus's moving ahead of the two of them so when she gets is to fifteen she squares jupiter so next week mercury and the sun square jupiter but this week we're dealing with is hammer. Kinda clears out whatever you you don't need. I know it's hard <hes> and that of course mars <laughter> he goes through the hammer of thor this week to. I guess it's a hammer for a three week. When you've got mercury sun venus mars going through the hammer <hes> you're in this night or juno not yet she's going to be there in a couple of weeks is but even though she's in virgo <hes> so mars this week goes from four or go to nine virgo so it square series on the twenty fifth. It's got a hard aspect to the healing energy on the twenty fifth and then it has that hammer of thor on the twenty seventh through the first and then the trying to urine is on the twenty eighth now when i keep saying the urine is captured between the hammer of thor. I want you to kind of think about you. Know hammers stored or used used smart things out of our life and get rid of them right so they you know they're that's their job. Is there to knock stuff out either. We're going to get knocked out. We're gonna knock somebody else out. That's just the plan of it. Whatever the virgo house is that's where this meeting happens. What's the planet says wielding hammer and then the hammer that's being wielded is pluto ludo with areas like the goddess of discord with the lord of the underworld right so you know and the two of them had to fight a few years back when aris got him demoted at work work so a lot of smiling going on now one of the things to remember when somebody gets smited and then there's that trying in the middle right the train is like kinda wanted to get smited. Kinda wanted to get out of here. I kind of didn't want to stay in the way i can can get out is somebody's smites me and gets rid of me and then i'm gone woohoo right so it's a little quiet on your breath but watch if there's a sense of relief or sense of freedom from getting smited. I can still remember a long time ago. When i was first learning astrology or tarot learning learning terro and i was studying with patti canova who's a brilliant terroist and really wonderful psychic and she was we were were studying at a house there about sixteen or seventeen this this woman had come in and she was kinda. Bewailing the loss of partner you know the partner had left. They'd had this huge fight but i'm paying looked here and she goes yeah. You're you're kind of happy. It's over right on. The woman looked at her like wide-eyed cause is might you know wailing about being smited as always a little more fun than she goes aren't you. Aren't you kind of happy. It's over. Don't you feel a little bit of relief and again. The woman looked at are really wide and the whole class completely silent you know watching this exchange and it was like a real deadly silence but that was the first time it ever occurred to me that you could feel relief. When something was over right i i never really thought of it before but so watch for the relief. There's relief here as these planets. Go through and try nearness and say oh okay. That's finished finished your free. Don't feel a little relief. You might feel some relief. <hes> juno jupiter this week has a semi square to fina yeah helping her seat helping him hers him him and hersi stuff in a new way but maybe a little bit of an argument and then saturn has an aspect of the nodes of fate on the second causing faded reactions are faded changes or faded actions so saturday aspect in the no big deal and then you're in this really strategic visions of how you see things on the twenty eighth and then neptune has a suspect quadrant to athena that says yes. You're seeing it clearly even if you don't want to it's really happening and then pallas athena and her scorpio on the twenty six so athena gets much more strategic in her thinking and partnerships are really challenged. Perhaps break on the twenty seventh with juno aspect of nodes of fate in a hard way so if you're a little relieved the something got smited out of your life. That's okay and if you're a little sad they got smited. That's okay too but looking taste and see where the freedom is coming in because there's freedom coming in from wherever this meeting happens and this is an early signing off from nebr- red desk big hugs have a great week watch out for those hammers before by.

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Mark Russell, author of Second Coming

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Mark Russell, author of Second Coming

"Everyone welcome next. Anjelica chastain. Just a brief perfunctory introduction to this episode during this very abnormal time. This episode includes interviews with Mark Russell. The author of the Comic Book Second. Coming which is a sort of fictional telling of Jesus coming to Earth and rooming with a superman type character. It's a really great conversation and I hope that given the sort of environment that we find ourselves in a sense of just worry and uncertainty that you can find a little bit of distraction and something within this conversation It's really hard to you. Know preface this sewer or have anything wiser right to say and a moment Mike Best Feels very uncharted for for most people. And all I can say is that whether you are Practicing social distancing or self isolating. Because you are exhibiting symptoms but haven't been tested or if you are sick please take care of yourself and those in your life do what you can to be kind and compassionate to others do what you can to help others. That need it. That might be immuno-compromised do that Wisely and safely listen to your local municipalities and follow the instructions of your employers and others. That are trying to give you guidance. And time when there's really no guidance to speak of coming from our federal government or this administration It's a tragic but we're all doing what we can to help one another If you need some sort of online community we do have a large community on facebook at facebook dot com slash groups slash X. Dhanjal. You can just apply there and And find some community if you Have not joined that group yet Again everyone just please take care of yourselves. And and those within your immediate sphere. This is such an odd time and we're all sort of learning on our feet. I do want to thank people who have been great examples online of trying to lift up those in need trying to keep things. Light or to acclimate to this new environment. In which we in which we're living when they're at school closures and offices. I'm moving to remote work as well as they can That includes people like Caitlin Curtis who has put up a lot of really meaningful threads on twitter and elsewhere on instagram and people like Andrea Henry. Who are reminding us that that hope is something to strive for and that things like this Present opportunities to examine what is valuable in our culture and what deserves to be preserved. Yeah I hope that you all are well and if you are now that you are getting the care that you need. I know it seems silly to to say things like this but sure you can follow me on twitter at PR chastain on Instagram FBI chastain underscore. You can like the show over at facebook dot com slash exponential pod. And you can sign up for my newsletter. The Post Evangelical Post over a post evangelical post dotcom That'll be it. I mean it's not so much promotion as just if you want to follow me or reach out to me during this time please do We're doing what is best for our family here In Chicago and I hope that wherever you are that you are doing what you need is well all right. Everyone be well enjoyed this conversation. I hope that it gives you some sense of of comfort or or normalcy. To to listen to this or any other podcasts content that As comforting to you Or as part of your consumption assets sir. Whatever during during normal times overall Took everybody welcome back to expand geological. I would meet today a return guest Mark Russell. He is the author of the book. Second coming as well as many other comics including the flintstones wonder twins Red Sonja and many others as well as the book. God is disappointed in you and also author of the upcoming Book Billionaire Island. Welcome back to the show mark. Thanks thanks for joining me. Congratulations on the first volume of second coming just reaching reaching press and and was released just last week the first volume was was really great and honest excited to sort of learn a bit more about that particular book specifically so thank you. Yeah I couldn't be happier with the way it turned out. Yeah it was great. We talked actually last year A bit before before it reached publication And so it was sort of in a bit of limbo at that point when we will talk so is great to sort of see this work come to light and be visible in in the market Just because it didn't have the easiest path to publication about a year from the time I actually was approved to the time where At issue number one which I've never had before I never had that long delay between writing a thing getting an actually published and is that with a hoy directly or your publisher including the time beginning with with Vertigo. Right because originally it was approved Vertigo and I was writing the issues You know in the spring of the two thousand eighteen if I remember correctly Yeah and the and then it kept getting pushed back as the controversy and they want and they wanted to release it with like this. You know what the wave of other Vertigo titles. And then they ended up getting you know we have to like take it away from Vertigo and go the hallway. So there's just all these delays so the finally habit out so people can actually read it 'cause there's about a year Little over a year about a year and a half where between the at the time of it being announced and you know And it actually coming out in Like she number one actually dropping. Yeah yeah that's a long development time. What is typical in the comic market for you and your experience usually about five six months? Okay from from pitch to like the first issue hitting from the time where it's been green lit to the time it actually starts hitting the Shell Gotcha Gotcha and to sort of elaborate for some listeners. That might know that. None no controversy that we were referring to there you actually got some blowback because news of the series. Someone got wind of an got passed around and conservative media and then there was a petition. And that's which aren't a lot of signatures. Yeah Yeah so basically. Initially it was announced in July at San Diego. Comecon a couple of years ago and there wasn't much of a reaction to positive or negative. It was okay but then in December you know 'cause we were planning like a originally released early two thousand nine hundred and I believe in but then like in December the Fox News. Got A hold of it. I I think it was. Maybe the sort of thing where you know. The Muller Commission was. Actually I think this is actually December. Two thousand eighteen. This happened like the Muller Commission was coming out and I think it was kind of one of those things where Fox News didn't want actually report on the actual news because all look bad for them so they when that happens. I don't know if you have any Fox News viewers but when that typically what they do is they reach for these culture war stories things that are sort of like maybe not necessarily topical but that wall served get their viewers up in the latter and get them angry therefore getting him to sorta like rally around trump or who whatever their caused. Celeb- is without questioning too much and I just happened to be the culture. Wars story wants whereas like do you know that they're making a comic book about Jesus Christ in a superhero and nobody really knew anything about the comic book because They know nobody had actually read the scripts which sorta gave them license to sort of make up whatever they want about so they made it up like really blasphemous. Sorta Like Insulting Mockery of of Christ in Christianity. It's sort of made the rounds through conservative media from there resulting and as you mentioned a petition campaign which ended up getting about five hundred thousand signatures all of which generated a An angry email that went directly to my publisher and so like I talked to dance video at DC was was was the publisher And he didn't realize what was happening until he got about one hundred thirty thousand these emails again when the next time you you come down to DC quarters. I'M GONNA make you clean out my inbox. You down. It's the kind of thing where it looks like on the face of it. You got all these angry villagers with torches and pitch works storming the castle when in reality you know it's like you know it takes signing the petition takes about three seconds to click on it so you know one woman in Krakow Poland. You know another person you know like a Little Rock Arkansas. Somebody else and you know Moscow Russia. It's it's not like a throng of angry villagers so much like some sad person that home alone with nothing better to do just making the mouse instantly getting about it. They they sorta realized this like you know the sort of online furious easy to manufacture. It doesn't really meal especially if if if it's making fits making the national media rounds than it's probably ninety nine percent of the people who are signing this petition or or outraged are what really in the comic like fans to begin with rain. Yea It's just the the general the general idea on its face based on right at the thirty second angry enough to like spend five seconds clicking a petition. He knows how angry are beyond that point right. It's like right wing selective ism yeah right and Part of the problem being with being published by a company that's owned by a major corporation. That's selling you know lunch. Pails and t-shirts is that they do actually have to worry about people who are not necessarily comic book by Ray. These people do represent a large. I mean everyone is potentially a consumer of like you know league movie. Or you know of like a Batman teacher so they have to worry about offending pretty much. Everybody so I think to your point like these aren't people that then new because they sure as hell didn't know about preachers which is on the same imprint and it was pretty much me factored outrage especially because it was coming out of Vertigo which is sort of the imprint for This is not you know. It's sort of like pontius pilot washing his hands of you know it's like D. C. washing their hands saying this is not the normal. Dc Fair this is a separate imprint. Don't ask me because you read something in Vertigo. That you didn't like It's the whole point the whole reason. D'etre Vertigo is discern. Like do the stuff they they normally wouldn't be able to do on the on the DC main line but you know. I think ad that controversy the fact that there is like all this sort of executive change at the top of DC. It was just a bad time to stand out like that was a bad time. Nobody wanted to get called into the principal's office share. Yeah I'm sure the an already risk-averse. Big Corporation is probably more on Ange right when people are getting laid off and you know executives are in flux and there's a new president and you know all this stuff so the timing was just really bad in the at the controversy but so I just gotTa have Frank Conversation with DC. Because they're probably going to. They weren't dropping it per se. They but they wanted to keep delaying it until like make all kinds of changes to make you know less inflammatory sites so we just said well you know we. We hate to to see this change. Because we think it's a we believe in the project Have you considered if you wanted to? You could ask us to give you the rights back. We would do it so I said. Yes please. That's great. They're very nice about it there. You know I still work with DC on a lot of projects. Really great to work with and I thought the way they handled it which I totally understand their perspective being owned by one brothers Major Corporation and and having to like hugh to this sort of mass consumption in a way that smaller companies do not by nature makes them a little less daring So this is just maybe never the right project for them in the first place. Yeah so but but you know I I totally give them credit for taking a chance on this. This project That that would have you know. That was kind of Edgy. Maybe outside their normal fare is just maybe a like at the end. Probably like like a snake trying to swallow an elephant. Yeah they're very graciously. Gave me the rights back in they. Let me keep the money they pay me to write it and And one of the reasons and then I took it to a way One of the main reasons being they are kind of the opposite of DC. In that sense that they're a very small company so to them. Any publicity is good publicity. You know. They're they're like a controversy. We'll yes please right. Yeah it's great again that you've found a new home for the story because I really enjoy ad I I really enjoyed reading it as it was coming out and just to sort of close out this this preface about the controversy and everything and what is the elevator pitch of this controversial story that you're telling in second coming. I don't remember exactly what I actually use my elevator pitch. I know that I it came when I was pitching several Ideas for Superman comic to Dan. Do and he hated all of them. Basically like no. That's that's been done. We already that happened in nineteen sixty three and this is the last idea I had and I just had sort at the bottom of my bag. I was hoping I you know not to bring up because I that they would laugh me out of the meeting so I said well others one more. And it's you know it's about. Jesus Christ sharing an apartment with superman and them sort of like looking at the world from two opposite angles and he's well. That's not been done before. He's like but I get death threats. Every you know when Superman refuses to say the pledge of allegiance so Making non superman hero and I will green light this as as Vertigo property. So that's basically how I pitched it and It really was the combination of two ideas. I wanted to write a comic idea for a superman or all powerful superhero begins to Sir realize just how limited he is like. Just how few problems that facing the human race can actually be solved by you. Know being able to like drop. Kick somebody into a volcano or you know punch a mountain in the face so And also I wanted to do a comic about Jesus Christ returning to Earth and Being sort of appalled that what what's been done with his legacy and I it occurred to me at some point that these are two sides of the same coin that it's one sort of realizing the futility of physical force on punishment as a way to keep the human race in line and it's about the other sort of bemoaning the fact that after two thousand years physical force and bribery years are the only sort of tricks we've come up with baking ourselves. Behave decently and and trying to like see if he can create an avenue by which we solve. Our Mutual Brahms with empathy and trust so it occurred to me that this'll be a good sort of like Tangled cash a buddy cop story. Yeah it works like it is very very interesting to see sort of within the comics medium. Which relies so much on a huge fight scenes and everything in order to convey conflict-resolution. That's sort of the whole point right. Yeah of Superhero Comics in particular. Ah that and it's usually. The movies are usually the most boring parks it's happened. It's their one sort of thing. That's the cliche that that's at the center evolves eventually. They're all GONNA fight it out in you know the guy's going to prevail You know so basically the good is just you know the what makes it. The good is the fact that it's able to use violence. Just a little more effectively reigned and then the evil and I I love how in the first In the first issue guide is like okay. I'm going to send Jesus down. Send my son down and Living with sun-star which is the name of the of the Superhero character can live with him and sort of toughened him up a little bit. And then he. He goes on basically a ride along when sun-star Who is stopping like counterfeit people that are counterfeiting like pokemon style cards property staffed huge babble? And then he and then he proceeds to just beat the shit out of people and throw them guys also take cyanide tablets taking in the protector. They're illegal pokemon card trade and he's just like smashing people the pieces and throwing them out windows and this is sort of Christ reintroduction to the world after two thousand years right and then then then he comes outside to see his pile of bad guys and any asked. Jesus yeah it's SORTA like the Jesus getting some start to sort of like question the Kazakh. The people like most people. There's there's not nearly so much evil in the world is there. Is Hunger like most people who do bad things do it? Because they're they're trying to medicate or they're trying to fill andy that they have that could they could not fill otherwise. I'm saying that justified per se Ordered that they that aren't bad people in the world. I'm just saying that most evil is is Net result of our in the fact that we as a society of taking care of people inadequately Yeah I WANNA talk a little bit about how you characterize guide or you know Jesus Dad you. Don't you just call them guide? There's no reference to him really. Jesus Calls Them. My Dad my dad or my father yes. Yeah but generally throughout he's just referred to guide and there's not necessarily Trinitaria thing happening in this but but the way in which you sort of portray him as his capricious and short tempered in foul mouthed and tried to be biblically. Consistent ways portrayed much the Old Testament not always I mean. There are books the Old Testament that have You know more you know portrayed more I I think it's the elohim interpretation where he's more sort of an abstract force of danger that cannot be really defined but for the most part you know he's like you know your your uncle. What the what the drinking probably some guy throws temper tantrums at the slightest provocation. Right now. He's like he's like Joe Biden net like a rally stop random argument Wadey in the backyard. Who Barely remembering the declaration of independence. God so we could go down that segue. But let's take this is sort of the the the backdrop in which Jesus decides he's going to give it the old college try and go down and spend time with with people. Do you think that that within the context of your story Jesus is sort of like making a referendum on Mike? How's his DAD's set up the world? Yeah I think that you know like like all kids. Are you know. We are all responses to the shortcomings. The world created by our parents. And I think that's why you see like styles of child raising change pretty much from generation to generation like my generation. No genetics. It's like are we were all can latchkey kids. You know it's like appearance or even if your your parents were home. They were like go outside. I don't want to see you until dinnertime so you were out there. Doing God knows what and you know as long as you came back alive for dinner. Everything was fine. Yeah and I think that as a result less people at my generation Of Cynical about you know our families or you know we felt like Sort sort of abandoned and Jaded and we didn't really have a lot of closeness to our parents and so When it became our turn to have kids we became helicopter. Parents like got you know are up in there shit every little minute of the day. You know that they're able that. They're riding their bikes not falling off or were at every soccer practice or whatever Which was the other extreme. And so I'm sure that these you know these kids that we've raised you know when it comes time to for them to have kids. There'd probably be so annoyed with the helicopter parenting. They're going to go back to our mode. Sir Hands off you know free range yet. Yeah we're all sort of referendums on the generation. We came from rain. Yeah one of the terms you just used was latched kit. And that's in different scenes. That's that's how Jesus his own childhood so to speak and that's how he presents himself really. Yeah and in fact the church he ends up. Creating Church of Jesus Christ latchkey Kid. Because it's about how when he was you know he'd been left alone from. Linnea while God was off dealing with the problems of the human race in of the Earth and trying to keep us all from like going off the deep end killing and enslaving each other unsuccessfully for the most part and and then until it got so disgusted he left and then Jesus is like well then. I've got to go down because you know if you're not going to be there to help these people to keep them from killing each other that. I've got to warn them that they're on their own now and that they need to get from each other what they used to expect from you. And that's basically your interpretation of the Gospel that this is what Christ came to do is to inspire divinity within people not necessarily look to God to give them rules so that they you know if they follow these rules they will. They will be okay but to say no. You've actually got. The rules aren't enough to keep you in line. What you really need to do is change your heart and just become genuinely good people Do you see that reflected in the need any expressions of Christianity like in the real world at this point Mike that particular typos. Yeah I see it but I think it's. It's it's really doesn't exist in the institutions of Christianity. I think it's warrant individual Christians because the institutions of Christianity. Lend themselves overwhelmingly to the other interpretation. Where it's like you. Because this is what they're institutions are usually built to do. It's like if you follow our by laws and you give us money can pretty much. You've bought your way into heaven and now you can get away with whatever you want because you're on the right team And I think that dates back to you know once you know. Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire. Because it was a very strange marriage of philosophies because you know the Christ basically came to Earth during the Roman occupation and a lot of his teachings about how to live under the occupation of somebody who is like supreme and can use violence against you and you can use violence to free yourself It's like if you try to fight the Romans they're just going to kill you if you you know you. You succumb to their bribery. They're just sort of enslaved U. Really all you can do to get out from underneath thorough in some sort of drop out to Refused to be bribed by them. Not Care about the material things of this world into not be afraid when they threatened to punish you put to sort of to like live as if you are already in the Kingdom of God. That was his advice to pretty much. Everybody who asks like sell everything and follow me or you know. Trust God to provide like like he does for the Birds the lilies of the field. US basically telling people that the way you drive and empire craziest not is by not playing the rules. It's not by and if you raise up arms and you know you form your own army you're kind of playing by the rules. The Empire as you know is used to playing by they know what to do about that But if you just stop caring about the material wealth that they can offer you or playing by the rules they can impose on you. They have no idea what to do about that. And that's the scariest thing and empire can imagine. And so that was the philosophy of Christ. But how do you make that worked for Actually an empires benefit like once. The Roman Empire Actually Baked Christianity the official religion of the empire. It's like how do you take a guy whose whole philosophy is about? How getting out from underneath the thumb of an empire and make them work for that very empire And the only way to really do it is to say well you know the you know. Turn it into sort of a cult of personality. Well you know if you believe in Christ and you'll get eternal life you know you you're also eligible for all these other benefits and he miracles and And we'll have people come by and check on you and you know it's it's really about turning this personal message of redemption into support sort of more of an institutional sort of pyramid scheme and and that's sort of how they made it work for Make Christianity work for major institutions like Church and state So I I think that to this day that's primarily what Christian institutions are good at doing is providing for the TITIAN getting people to play by their rules in exchange for you know some of the promises of eternal life and You know and the goodies you get from from from being part of the large team But Not really answering those individuals problems of feeling inadequate in an oppressed by the world. Around you because they're more interested in doing the oppressing rain. I'm not going to disagree with any of that. I think that that's that's all. Just add a very good encapsulation of the issues within institutionalized religion as well as just the history of Christianity itself in how it's departed from what is presented within the Gospel and the Gospel Texts. Not Bent Gospel as as what is actually taught. Yeah one thing. That's kind of interesting about the. You know how the the Bible was created was that Dino they when the when it became the official religion of the Roman Empire the they they decide. Well now we need one SORTA Canonical Bible. Because before then they just sort of every church just sort of had their own you know lists of books that they read in search services some of which were read some churches but not in others so when they were trying to come up with a one Canonical Bible. They basically sent a list. All fifty bishops. They said we want to make three lists. We want you to make one of like this can and unquestionably this has to be in any Bible. another one where it's like. Well this is more on if he Warrants possible inclusion. But I can't say for sure and then the third one was just like this is bat shit crazy and under no circumstances. Should this be included in a Bible in only one book of the Bible Made it into the Bible landed on any of the bishop's bat shit crazy list and can you guess which one it was batch of crazy I mean revelation is pretty Bajic. Yeah the revelation book like showed up on several of the Bishop's bat shit crazy list but the reason why I ended up making the Bible's because not like the fact that like actually has like ending provides an ending to the story of not only the Bible but of human civilization but also because it allows them. It provides the church with authority. It says you know this is what's GonNa Happen to anybody who has a heretic or anybody who Check change what we're saying. Now the you know the these are the false prophets. This is the Anti. You're the Anti Christ and you will cast into like a fire. Saw was included even though everybody kind of knew a little nutty is included because it was the one that put the institutional stamp of authority on the Christian religion. Yeah Fun Times Fun Times at. Yeah I remember Reading Rozan Book Zealot. And have you heard that one yet? So when one of the things that they he talks about And there is the sort of development just around early Church leadership and you actually sort of this and an interaction that you have. Jesus had with a a street preacher. Where the where Jesus coming out of the gay bar where he just had our and some sort of gay restaurant it's got bar bar right and he and and your Jesus would kill. He'll Mary so reminded him of Home Right. And so this street preacher comes up and says this is a love confrontation and then and then starts talking about Paul. And Jesus like who the Hell is Paul? I don't know anybody named Paul. I told Peter and I told James but I don't know anyone named Paul. Yeah it's very much reference to the fact that the new testament is largely an argument between Paul's interpretation and the interpretation of James which Peter was also a party to and it's weird that the argument was Kinda settled in favor of Paul. Who says you don't really need to do? Good things to be a Christian you sort of need to be on the right team Goodness and Paul won the day despite the fact that he never even knew Jesus never met him. James was like his brother. So if there's any way to win the argument about this is what Christ says in says what he means. And I think res- Azlan makes this point in his book. It should be the guy who shared bunk beds with them. Raiding the guy who you know better than anyone. What else yeah. Yeah and it's it's just sort of crazy. How lost or obscured obfuscated. That is to the great majority of Christians in the world. Just that that that. That is just something. That's that's blended into history. Almost Christians I mean. Don't really not only do they not know the Bible? They don't really know how was made so to them. You know One book is as canonical is another and You know it in their interpretation that's offered to them by their mega. Church is as canonical as you know. Actually what the what? The authors themselves are saying so they're like two or three steps away removed from the reality of what Christ was actually saying they're not really basic their faith on what Christ said. They're basing their faith based upon what they're Chosen religious leader is saying based upon the writings of other sort of presumably Protestant fundamental thinkers from hundreds of years ago. Who are basing it upon you know Martin Luther and then who is basing it on you know Paul who never even met Christ. It's it's like if you had to I thought about this one. So if you had to like Reich. The ten most important figures of Christianity of of Christie of Christian religion. I think Chrysler probably be like number nine or ten. There's probably at least eight or nine guys who were influential in terms of what modern evangelical Christians believe Than Than Christ was. Yeah yeah that's that's very very true and that that's a pretty interesting experiment. I mean Luther Calvin Augusta and I would probably put any simple McPherson on that list above of Christ a billy Graham Billy Graham. Yep Yeah for sure man. That's any guy's who knows mark driscoll. Yeah let's also talk just about how you sort of build the cosmology of this world because I think one of the ways in which he presents with God the father being capricious sort of asshole really and just I think he comes off initially as an asshole but then you realize later. It's not so much he's an asshole as he's you know. Frustrated he is he has a deep love for his son Jesus and also for the Human Race. Both of which have like sort of deeply disappointed him. Yeah Yeah So. That's that's better. That's a nice call back to your to the title of Your Book. You've got US destroyed and you you know So catching that like when you first see him when you first introduced to him in in this volume he comes off as a jerk and yet it's coming from a place of hurt and disappointment but he sort of lashes out with his anger. It sort of makes suffering make sense and in a way also elevates Jesus ethics that that he's proposing and these sorts of things that that he thinks humanity should do and where where I think that really crystallizes in the book is when Guide. Just sort of grab sun-star and just tell them to heaven and he takes him to the food court and amidst this really funny scene where where they are going to. These different restaurants have gone to the great beyond different franchises. That are now gone since stars like so the the real answer to why they're suffering in the world and then God makes this incredible confession that he's just lazy. He's an idea guy you know he. He's interested in creating eyeballs or bodies. He's not so interested that you'll stick around to make sure they don't get cancer or you know that they're not going to get old. It's like once he's once in ideas is done enough to where it's no longer interesting to him. He will move on to something else. Which I think is probably most of us right yet though when you elevated to to the point of God Hood. It's like okay so that that's a weighted sort of understand suffering and yeah. It's amazed at like the philosophers of the rationalist area never really came up with. This is an explanation. Like how can God be good all good all knowing and all powerful and they're still be evil in the world so we'll maybe he's just sort of Lazy Yeah well Mike. When you think of other modern expressions of the idea of deities even within comic books I'm thinking of Doctor Manhattan who slowly becomes less and less concerned with human affairs and like that Doctor Manhattan coldness. Isn't there in this character. They have as God but there is a sense of remove which I think all of us sort of feel whenever we're trying to understand the divine if we don't feel all the time we feel it at some point in their lives if we are religious or pursuing a religious track in life in some way that that's something you have to put up against at some point so I don't know it was like sort of Cathartic to have guide cop to that basically and then also have Jesus be like okay. This is sort of how my dad is how you going to cope with it right but I think a lot of ways got is sort of the name we give to our on inadequacy. You know it's like we feel like insignificant that our our role in the universe is not what it should be so we attribute these things to God that will make up the difference. The God is then what gives us the Meaning what makes up for our our inadequacy allows us to like you know if you're an alcoholic to me get through another week without drinking a lot of pressure to put on God and it's also something that you know is it says more about us than it does about the deity so and I think in a way. It's SORTA profound like it says something good about God in that God is The whatever he is whatever a God maybe is something that we and some capacity or another need And why we could you elaborate on that element. Yes because we're all inadequate alone. An isolated from the university all feel alienated. So if not God. We need something to bridge that gap because the the alternatives to terrifying to contemplate so God becomes the name we give to that thing which allows us to feel like we have a place in the universe So similar to like twelve step philosophy where there's like a higher power that that's what he is. These are coping mechanism if nothing else even If I think Hobbs who said if God did not exist we would need to create him. I think he meant to you know. Keep us from being naughty. But I think it's probably true on a more fundamental level is just keep us from feeling inadequate and I don't think the necessarily the Christian God for that or even really a deity at all but I do think that we need something to To medicate us from the sense of our own alien nation and whatever that is that tends to be what we imbued with the powers that traditionally people have given to. God's so do you think that that has any anything necessarily even do with like a theism sort of something. Some sort of ideal is operatives a receptacle or representation of. I think it's helpful if you think about God's sort of reverse like it's not that God is out there and what is he like what what is what is he about? What's he doing more of? What are we about what a what do we need in? What are we doing? And what what what do we need from the University of feel like we belong and I think once you ask yourself so questions and you find the the answer's going that way what you find is is divinity but you find a divinity and in a way that is meaningful to you as opposed to like you know like a church grew up in they have one set of answers about what. God is what God does and you know it. It might be a set of answers that really works for some people that really makes them feel connected to the university in gives their life meaning but for another person in that church. Might you know not not meaningful at all but if you remember that church they sort of have to pretend like it is so. It's sort of like if you're going to the if you're going to the pharmacy you know. They're just giving out the same medication to everybody for the people that do have glaucoma the glaucoma prescription. They're handing out his terrific is just what I needed. But it's a little specious. Assume that because it works for you that this Glaucoma medication is GonNa be what heals everybody regardless of what their problem is and that's sort of the problems that we've been going to the same pharmacy getting the same pills you know. It's like you know Christianity like the three. Major religions are a say like like Buddhism Christianity and Islam collectively make up about four billion believers on the planet most of the planet. It's like what are the chances that these three medications are are good for over half the world's problems traveling high-tech good There's so there's a lot of people being miss medicated. And the fact that the medication works for some people make some blind to the fact that it might not work for others ran. And there's other people. I think these people are are are usually the people who end up becoming sort of like you know the The WESTBORO BAPTIST. Church people or the You know the the the really dark fundamentalists. The medication doesn't work at all for them. And it just making the miserable because they think that if if they have to be miserable that you should too. Yeah I like thinking of it that way and I think a lot of people that come from sort of evangelical backgrounds my listeners this show. We're probably taught that that is just anathema to the proper understanding of God. You know that. Yeah because that's seems like some hippy. Dippy roll your own spirituality. Yeah it is. Yeah but but I mean the other analogy. That you were using was like was medication and medical and medication as as an analogy. The desire now within that within that field is to get to hyper individualized care and and might do the thing. That's right for your body and for your psyche yet. The key to a better planet into happier people is for you to find. The medication works for you not to pretend to be happy with the medication you were given And not to impose those medications assume that because it worked for you that this is the everybody should be Zoloft or whatever but I think this is how you you get over the fact that the institutions abused people in a way that Christ had never intended is like if you reversed the order of causality. Where the we do not exist to serve these institutions but they exist to serve us then you you deprive them of all their power which I think ultimately what crisis trying to do in his time on earth thesis was like well how do we deprive the institutions like the Roman Empire. The San Adrian of their power in the answer is by forming own direct connection to God and not relying upon them to be the intermediary going to the pharmacy In just taking whatever they have on hand I like that. I WanNa Talk. Also about the devil on your story. What perspectives does. Does he bring to the story that you're telling in and second coming. And what is his sort of role in the that the dynamic between Jesus and God and really just general like we see him. Interact with a handful of characters But I'm curious what your perspective is on his role as an story. Well I got the idea for that innovation of Satan When I was working on my book Apocrypha now which is about The the Jewish Mirage. And the Nasty Gospels and other sort of non canonical Jewish and Christian writings And I came across a book called the the Exit Bustle Mu Which actually describes a meeting between Satan and Christ and his disciples Christ basically arranges this meeting between his disciples and and the devil and it actually surprisingly portrays the devil in a somewhat sympathetic light. Because you know he's he's brought up in chains from Hell and the disciples are besides themselves with terror this beast that's been brought up from. Hell and then but then you know the doubles point. Is that like we'll look I. Was You know Christ's are was God's number one angel? I was made me out of fire and I was beautiful in splendid and he left me in charge the earth. And you know and I was. You know doing a good job for him. I loved working for him. And then he comes to me one day and says I've created these two humans and you're going to be serving them any made them out of mud and it was too much. It was a bridge too far for for Satan. Who Thought he was Christ's best friend. It'd be like if you were working at a job that you liked and you've got along really well with your boss. And then he suddenly shows up with somebody new who is the first day? I want you to train. This person. They're going to be your boss at Satan. Felt like and it's like I never felt like really understood. Satan's motivation until I read this nasty gust. Oh my God. That's totally a totally makes sense. And that's why he tried to overthrow God. Admittedly not a good idea. And so that was kind of really informed. My Perspective of Satan is that he's not just some evil for the sake of evil you know super villain. He's a guy himself feels aggrieved and in a moment of weakness and jealousy tried to do the unthinkable and now just wants to go back to the way things were And Yeah and you present that as just this this longing. That just goes sort of unfulfilled right. I mean like He suffers from the same problem. We all do like. He feels alienated from from God. Most people who come from Jellicoe backgrounds just had this idea of Satan as this sort of boogey man. Who's trying to corrupt you? It's like a wrestling donors. Something guy comes out motorcycle. It's just start calling everybody out and then hit somebody with metal chair. When they're not looking he's a sort of the embodiment of everything going wrong in your life ray yet. But then there's this other sort of modern interpretations of him as like this bastion of individualism or even just sort of. He just made his will known in it. Conflicted with God thinking of like the Lucifer from from like Neil gaiman run on San man and everything else that might carried it afterwards of site. I never made any of you come here. That's I never. That's one of the lines in the sand. Man Run like how I was. Brilliant Gal was treated as like where people go to punish themselves. Yeah or go because they feel like they need to expunge themselves of guilty of crude on earth rain but he never forced any of them to go to stay. Yeah he's just like Walson while I've become the symbol to these people and I never really asked for this. I I loved the scene with Gadgets Meeting Satan in in a diner to try to to try to work it out. Yeah it's sort of like you know. They they meet and Burland. Which of course is symbolic. Because it's where you know spies between eastern West Houston meet to discuss how to resolve. These sort of tangled knots. The Cold War that went hopefully result in nuclear de-escalation. Or you know like like it was about the Cold War how they where they learned to sort of get along together learned a certain coexist so as a symbolic meaning that Christ or that that God the father and Satan or meeting there and it is sort of like you know that's where we learn about their different perspectives about what happened When Satan tried to overthrow God Going back to the first the first issue you have. Jesus say people don't believe in God so much as they hope for a witness to their suffering in the world isn't saved by bribery by violence by power saved by being brave enough not to be intimidated by being honest not not to be bribed and when we fail it has saved one act of forgiveness at a time. I really love how that sort of encapsulates the all these different themes that they you present within within the book I want to focus in on an again sort of this seeing a witness suffering and we already talked at length a little bit about what God represents for us but in the ways in which this story sort of reflects our lived experience of just wanting some sort of acknowledgement. That sometimes the Mike Schick. It's hard and just having that sort of witness what why. Why is that an important theme for you well? I think that we want to know that we're in the. This means something that were not suffering in vain and that we're not suffering alone and I think that's one of the good roles that religion has played in people's lives and the way in which religion can still the roles religions could still play people's lives. Be a positive force in the world is by reassuring the people that we see that you're suffering and you're not alone and we will carry this burden together. I think that's what's the value of of churches and organizations and institutions Based on faith is that they provide the sort of reassurance they provide the sort of witness to your suffering and the value of religion is to be found. They're not necessarily in. You know the other impositions they put on you need to believe these twelve tenets or you know you're going to hell or you know the other sorts of things that are that institutions have created in order to make sure that we're serving down my favorite line when Jesus is pastoring in sort of consoling sun-star after he made a big mistake. He's like you're not the first person to have an intensive with experience with God that didn't last and I think that's just just brilliant. Thanks really writing that about myself and it was what I wish I could tell myself you know back when I was originally sort of losing my faith. This is like my my pep talk. Yeah and to see like this humble. Christ figure consoling at a superhero. There's a lot to that imagery. And what's it like to work in this sort of condominium? And and how is it working with your other collaborators Richard Pace and others to bring the story to life in this medium where you can accomplish a lot through the medium and relying on their visual storytelling as well as your script? Well yeah the the thing that really attracts me to comics as a medium in general is that it is a visual medium. But it's like television or movies. It's a relatively low cost visual medium mad. They don't invest nearly as much money producing a comic book. Because I do like a TV show or or a movie as a result. There's a lot less oversight so you can be a little more experimental you can tell stories. That wouldn't necessarily get the mass following. You would need to justify him. You know a a a major motion picture or a TV series. That would be released on network now with streaming services and independent movies. Of course it's law. That is changing. But that's sort of what? I've always really liked comics as that. There is this added layer freedom to be experimental to tell stories that might not translate well elsewhere and and also. It's a little more intimate. You know as you get more direct collaboration with your artist. You know where it's like. It's like Whoa. We deciding like how something is. GonNa look or we want to go back and fix something a conversation between two people maybe three at the most if you want bring the editor the colorist so so it's a lot easier to get things done person to person whereas if you're trying to do that an another visual medium usually means involvement of teams and different layers of communication and asked run by the producer So I like the experiment experiment of the comic medium and also the fact that. It's it's more like a boutique than working in a sears. You can you can make changes and do things the relatively while you're communicating with just a few people that you know fairly well rain. Yeah and that I think that's that's why it works so well as that the the facial expressions that that Richard Pace provides in all the different visual gags like. I really appreciate the way in which you are able to use. Use Humor as an entry point to make a social very incisive social commentary. We're sort of primed for that now. After twenty plus years now of like the daily show we're primed as a culture too. Like if you're gonna hit us with something heavy or meaningful even not mess not even necessarily like heavy and an Downer but just significant. Yeah to give it that. Spoonful of sugar of of humor then provide that so it really just goes goes very well with with with your capacity as a storyteller which I've appreciated the first thing I read of yours before I even needed. Comics was guys disappointed in you but someone like my background. It's you know it's it's sort of tailor made for me to enjoy and to see that married in this medium is is really cool Well thanks It just feels like the natural to just feels like this is the the frequency my my my brain resonate side of this is the way. I would like to hear about these things. I feel like in a way everything. I'm writing about whether it's got us disappointed in you and retelling the Bible or you know it's it's writing about superheroes when I like to feel like it's a conversation between just two people at a bar and the way I would talk to somebody in a bar. This is sort of the way we would. We would tell talk. Tell a story to each other. You know just to people like in a room and to me. It's always the most meaningful because this is about what it's not trying to work within a style or or trying to work with an agenda is putting you know you're you're quirky perspective on the world on the line in his blunt away as possible and to me. That's humor is just being blunt as possible. Yeah yeah to close out. I'd really like to talk about the letters pages that you had in in the floppies or the single issues and that they came out of the book because you actually featured a lot of feedback and since we started the conversation talking about the initial reaction and this negative push. What has the response been? That's made its way to you since you've started publishing this book it's weird but the response was overwhelmingly negative before it came out. Then after it came out it was became overwhelmingly positive which I find really vindicating because it's like well People hated it because they didn't know what it was trying to do in once they actually get a chance to read it then they saw I was actually mocking Christ that it was actually struggling with my own ideas about the nature of Christian faith in about how to kill a world in which you know. Violence bribery has largely brought it to the brink of destruction. And I think once people saw sincerity and they realized it wasn't just like you know the cheap gag it the expense of Christ or Christians. The the the tone of the response immediately changed and I've had conversations of people who still not on board at all with the theology. I present in the comic. But they're usually very polite and understanding of what I'm trying to do and I think that's where we find our common ground is. It's like agree with me but they they don't feel like I am my. They don't feel like my intentions. Are themselves harmful right? Yeah there's not this presumption does not mean and it's not like you're trying to convert other people and say. This is the one true Christianity or something right. You know Authors now I'm not trying to mock the faith of millions of trying to bring something new into the world Can you say anything about the next volume? Or what's next for them for the series at this point? Yeah there will be next volume and It's going to be a little more character focused little less oriented because the first six issues do sort of feel they sort of felt like like a like a car chase for meters. All these things happening and it's all one after another and so the next morning we're going to spread things out a little more and and have maybe issue that just deals with you know son. Stars origin. Or Christ in his attempt to like get disciples. So we're going to do more sort of character focus. I think people have already got the concept of like like Christ. Sharing an apartment was son stars. No point in doing that story over and over again about what it would be like for a superhero to be paired with the son of God. Now we're going to explore their own sort of like lives on earth in greater depth Great that'll be great And I look forward to reading that as well mark. Thank you so much for joining me and talking about second coming Where can people find that book? And what else do you have on the horizons? Well I recommend people going to local comic bookstore and getting second coming volume number one there. It will be available in non comic bookstores. They think like a on March tense But I but why wait you could go into your local comic Book Store and get one today and Additionally a billionaire island number one of the first issue of my new comic book About an artificial island billionaires go to escape the end of the world or so the hope that comes out tomorrow or. I guess it will be last week by the time. Despite guest comes out comes out. On March fourth will be in stores in college bookstores. Great and any other social media or any of that other funds like the puck he's Please follow me on twitter as where I post. Most of my information and your spoiler panels Pales I really like a projects that I'm working on And I met at Mattress M. A. N. R. U. S. S. on twitter. Great Mark. Thank you again. So much for joining me and Talking Base Blake pleasure zones back.

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Episode 30: F Ethics, alternative medicine, and stupid hospital changes

Dr Nurse F Show

28:04 min | 2 months ago

Episode 30: F Ethics, alternative medicine, and stupid hospital changes

"The. Kids how'd you? Welcome to the doctor nurse APP show. A podcast. Explicit content. Make, sure your kids away I. If you have a weak stomach, you should turn this off right now we're takes dams offering. All right. Let's do this. You're ready. Yes. All right. So we're GONNA do some topics. What topics we're GONNA start out with the alternative medicine that what you WanNa do first let's let's. DISCUSS WHY WE'RE GONNA talk about alternative medicine. There's lots of reasons we've had some stuff come up in the hospital recently no especially with my patients So I, just I have to get it out drive me crazy and we've touched on it before, but we're gonNA actually talk about it. Now, we can touch it while we're talking about in a touch of and talk about this giant talk about it at the same time not GonNa lie that's not a bad idea to bad bitches at the same damn time. I don't even know what to say that if I could. Oh Okay and then the other thing we're GonNa talk about different things that have changed in the place where we work recently yeah yeah. I missed out on so many things. Yes, she did. But now there's all kinds of changes just in the last few weeks at least. I, mean I. Don't WanNa say for better or worse but just yeah I think some are worse. Yeah. I'M GONNA have to agree I just WanNa say it right away I did. You want to do it. Then you baby let's go. The soccer, Shit. Okay. WE'RE GONNA start with mine with the alternative medicine with do it. Okay. So tell me this I'm going to say. All you natural paths out there more power to you. I'm so happy for you. So glad that you get to be a natural path because you know it's not like chemicals or natural or anything just just putting out there. You know 'cause they're like a nature. Every fucking chemical is natural mostly except for synthetic wants loops whatever anyway I digress. All right. I'm going to tell the story through it. So we have these patients right one in particularly just recently moved to our vicinity. and has been coming into the hospital quite frequently because he has multiple medical problems cardiac. Liver kidney all his stuff mostly cardiac k. yet. So he comes in and he goes to a natural path. That's his doctor. Wait wait. Can you see this? You see nobody else can see us but you can ready. Airports Dir air quotes Dr. Right. I'll interject later with that one but go ahead. Okay. So anyway, he comes in all the time because he's having chest pain legit cardiac issues in this gentleman, right? Yeah. So It your face on the Mike. Knows my hand. Okay. Shrinking it. I was of hoping it was your face because that have been more funny. Okay Okay. Okay let me try this. All right. So this guy comes in, he's got all kinds of problems. Yeah. So we met him show. Okay. We'll go with the first time and trump are elevated won't take aspirin won't take this won't take that take nothing because they're not natural I, can't take those. Then why did you come here? Thank you. Yeah. So anyway, finally talk him into getting a Cath right. Yeah, he gets stunts. goes home. On medicines that he needed statins. You know stuff that he really should be on right away, oh. Yeah. What do you think he did? Will I would imagine he probably decided to go to natural path and try to switch over for natural stuff. Guess what happened a month later? Don't even tell me he reached announced a stent. Oh my God. Oh, I wonder why that is. Maybe it's because you didn't take any of the medicines. We sent you home on You think that's why. So when he comes on you what he says. Oh. I couldn't take those I didn't take any of. So why did you not any of them? I just had some bad reactions bad reactions I had bad reactions. What was the reaction like explained to me exactly what it was they were bad. There was just bad reactions. Okay. You need to be more specific please what reactions they were bad. Not even kidding, that's what he said. He probably bumped himself something on of Bruce Chap? Maybe I don't even think it was that serious I don't even think he actually had action you have to take them. To maybe have a reaction, the reaction is brain. Yes. He didn't take any of them and he comes back again because he's got chest pain. And Yep. So his stint is you know stenosis and all this other shed and he gets upstairs we had met him again and what does he do refused refused refused and refused and refused refused and refused my question of the The year would be why the fuck does. He even bother making it that far are now why come in why come in if you're not going to do any of the things we tell you need to do why has he been asked that question? And it's not natural but has he been asked? Why why? Why he come in? That's what I would be like, why are you coming in because my chest hurts and that's why keep coming explanation asshole. You're not going to do what you're supposed to do to make a chestnut hurt don't fucking and come back. Yeah. But they don't that doesn't work that way because they still come back but my chest hurts you need to fix it listen I can't give you some Ginkgo Biloba and send you home and you'd be a good I can't give you some eucalyptus oil and send you home and say you're good. It doesn't work that we've. Got An idea this medicine right here this pill that I'm going to give you right now this is this is turtle route. It's natural. You should take it. So your stint doesn't respect in house. It's really plavix but I'm GonNa tell you it's turtle route. Will you take it? I that's like the gist of it that sounds great. Rain to root it's got to be. What what plant it's from the root of Turtle. Where do you find the turtle plant? No, it's legitimately the root of Turtle. Yes Turtle Dick Turtle Dick. Turtle Dick's. Stupid naturopathy. Okay. So I got to say when you have tried everything because nurse husband nursing. AP had issues still has the issue but had issues like pretty severely. This and we went to anyone in everyone in everything. We literally went to every specialist. Nobody has been able to figure them out right All. I'll honey that was good I think that should fix Turtle Dick I. Yeah. Maybe if he just belches really really loud fucking maybe that'll saw patients that that they did that once he shirley loud and he's a pain went away turned out his opponents renovated to so well fuck it right. So like attornal route, fucker Turtleneck and. So we go to all of these actors in nobody could figure out nobody can fix them. Nobody can do anything to help them. Even right. We ended up getting a referral to this natural path at the University of Michigan Okay so now you think University of Michigan. legit right. I mean come on you know I mean I'm not saying all eastern medicine because because there's easternmost than actually fucking works. Yeah. But like if you're gonNA, come to a Western medicine hospital is because you western medicine like come in and totally not doing anything you're told come in us to do a surgical procedure on you and then not follow any of the directions afterwards and then lie. And say I had this reaction. What reaction? It was a reaction. What reaction it was a reaction like seriously I, just want to kick you and you're not sack because as neon that's because he's a he's a come zoning fucking asshole and he needs to fucking just like come Walrus fuck come gosling. Walrus, fuck. Yeah. That's what he is. But turtle route fuck we went to this natural path and. He ended up. So he did this he did this test on with like he like presses fucking weird prostes, mustard seeds I'm pretty sure that I'm pretty sure. Sorry preaching laugh proceeds into his skin. And then and then like put paper over top of something and like like almost litmus thing the paper turn different colors and he and I'm not even fucking kidding new heating and nothing about him. All husband did was call make an appointment I need to come see him I'm having issues. Okay. Come in. We drove down he goes in does the mustard she whatever the funny thing is I think mustard trying really hard not to laugh that's shit man. Does the does the paper. Okay and as soon as he pulls the papers off each paper, he looks at it looks at it. Look that looks it goes. You're having issues with your balance almost like a vertigo blah blah, blah, blah, Blah this and that we're looking at him like what the fuck fuck us. Yeah. kind of like Hoodoo Voodoo like and the show supernatural. So he tells them all stuff. He's like he's and he's in this dude is like legit like this? Chinaman? Okay. Hugging that that is a topic for next. Episode and. He fucking. So so the the the guy comes from or maybe Tibet he he's a monk. Okay. He's a monk coming from like way the fuck over he was there he was raised he was pulled from his family and raised as their medicine man. Okay. Okay. So he was legit a medicine man over there. Okay. Aim here earned his MD. okay. Medical degree like medical doctor degree in practices both okay. So he see that's the thing I feel like there are some that there are good things that they can do i. don't I don't think it's All fake. I'll give you that because obviously we lived for this damn long you know what I mean, and that's all there was for many years. But but I feel like there's a limit because there are things that we can do with technology nowadays that they cannot do as a natural path. So like if you WANNA come to us and like we will work with you and like do what we can to help you but you can't then pick and choose what you've decided is going to work in isn't just because that's how you've decided like. Brazier basis. That's true. That's absolutely true answer. But that's the thing. Solich this this this guy like he did a lot actually put him on this. He put on a diet. It's like an anti inflammatory diet. He's a lot of his problems inflammation which a lot of people's problems are inflammation, right? That's true. Right. So we put him on this diet is doing it along with him to be supportive. Blossom fucking waiting like we were like looking fucking good he's crazy but I stuck with that and then he went on to the next one and like he was feeling, he's like I never felt healthier in my entire life I'm so dizzy as fucking. Yeah. So there you go. There you go. It wasn't it wasn't everything wasn't tied to. The inflammation causing it having to go to like this is special ends up being an issue I era while we're assuming because he's still not better right. So he still has a lot of problems with nothing fucking work, but that's what I mean though it's like, okay you can like mash the two you can mash like Western medicine eastern medicine we but naturopathic medicine. But like no, the limits of one type of medicine and know the limits of the other type of medicine. So like there are some things that maybe we can't do with our type of medicine that maybe natural paths Ken, but it's Far More frequently the other way around I mean like if you are strictly only wanting to do naturopathic shit, then don't come to hospital. Like, because then all you're doing is like. Just pissing me off mostly well, yeah. Well, yeah. Because there's we don't. We don't have a pharmacy for Eastern medicine. No, I really don't I'm sorry about this is turtle route you should take it. Do. You think he would have done that there'd be so totally like unethical. Funny. But I would love to have done that I know I don't think there's any reason why you shouldn't have been able to do that. Fuck ethics. I'm sorry. Six. That's the name of this episode is Fuck Ethic Ethics. In the bum at least in this case, a great. Many shitty cases like multiple shitty cases. Yeah. Aren't you WANNA go to the next one? We'll do it. Okay. Let's let's take a little second break to compose all car. Dr Pinkie Pie here I'm nurse. Fiona. So we wanted to Kinda share our experience and how we created a podcast. We were total noobs and then we found anchor. So it's got a bunch of tools that you can actually use to record and edit your podcast and you can do it on your phone or your computer at home. Exactly. They'll even distribute it. For you on spotify apple podcasts are lots of other ones too. So you really I mean you have everything you need and you don't even have to download any other APPs exactly. Everything's all in one place at. So it's pretty epic epic. It's pretty easy to all you gotta do is download the free anchor apper go to anchor DOT FM to get started. In. An. Nurse, Fiona and Dr Pinkus with the Doctor Show we happen to be obsessed with coffee coffee all day and at night then copied recovered. No kidding. You know how particular we are about are just as bad with their coffee and our new favorite is good sense coffee a friend of ours turned US onto them and super super glad that he did the coffee is perking epic. But the company is even more. So so that's really special to me because I love my coffee to start at only as a small business which love to support But they're also advocates for gender equality which it's gotten better lately but we need more right and especially when you have these small businesses out there like this company has a program that supports women coffee suppliers. Automated, fucking. Awesome. So you guys have to try it. Go to their website www dot good sense coffee dot com. It's G. O. O., D.. S.. E. N. S. E., C. O. F. E. DOT COM. Use Promo Code F show and save ten percent on your order. Don't forget to use that Promo code ten percent on your entire order people support US bitches. Herm. Bam. Bam. Bam. The porn. Dan, it just made me think of this the right stuff it's like. Visas creates. Oh. Sorry Oh my God I'm so sorry Oh my God. Hey Hey, Yo. How many new on the cruises I've been on for five yup? Do you think do you think that? We should try and find a way to get the new kids to listen to our show. Is it possible? I? Don't know maybe they'll have us on their on their crews and we can like be cool people uncouth. Hey Hey Jordan night I find you. You can take off your shirt into that whole flail at behind you thing with the fan. I'm totally cool with I. Do that for me the dishonorable gay though I don't care. It's you know from say not sexy. It's that game. Squash no, it's his brother. That's gay John Night is gay Jordan's not. Is He gay? Yes. Openly so fucking hilarious because they make fun of them. The whole time you need to go on one of those cruises I've heard they're a blessing. You told me I've heard from other people. Yeah. I have been on multiple of them and every time I go. I have more fun than the last one and the most fun I've ever had so much fun. I'd imagine. So that'd be a good time. Hey any of our fans out there we should get a big ask group of our fans together an all where doctors show shit and I will be just up as Pinky by the whole time and we'll just you fiona. I'm sorry. I can make a sexy Fiona costume will buy like shameless Fiona. Okay. Then no worries. Everyone who apprentice? Fat Fuck Control do you want to be a fat fuck control or do you want to be the shameless Fiona? Whore. Okay. We can. I'll be your pinkie pie steed. I don't have to go too far from where I'm already at Rye Bam in. You'd say we'RE GONNA GET WE'RE GONNA get we need to go we need to get new-kids-on-the-block to listen to our show well, if nothing else maybe we just have to get her as on fucking crews. Yeah. Tag Them in our let's tag them in our in our show see I've been making like on stomaching like some some mad memes let's like Bombard them with memes and stuff from the show make is on the block memes. Let's do it. All right towns fucking game. You know what we're supposed to talk about right now changes in the loss that doesn't mean we can't. We can't. We can't go off topic for a minute. That's yes, that's true. That's how we hugged her. Oh, you know what? I think number we'll talk about it. Okay, my brain is broke. My brain is broke right now because my tooth hurts like a whore, I get that yeah. I just had a crown and it hurts I get that I got a couple of those fuckers it's actually Rebellious might fix it. Fix A lot. Hey, we had a listener actually order some rebellious to try because of us. Know show she hated it. was. It was it was too sweet for her really. was. It was like that's cool. PACK IT UP SANTA My way I'll drink it. I mean, yeah I'm taking my clothes off currently. Nice. Hold on. I'll do the Jordan night. Ready. This is what he does. He's he'll be like I'm a police ever. He'll be like onstage and I forget what song he's always singing, but he liked pulls it off and he goes. Like the fan blowing on them fucking flying and his his sixteen pack ads. Out even though he's like fifty now still hot. Be Fifty and I'm forty and. Shit Oh really good taking that off though. Nightline, I was kinda thinking about that. What who wish fan was the rebellious nurse Maggot I was wondering. If you did bring that. She is a superfan afterward ordered it and had the Maggot I'm glad you didn't get divorced. Changes in the Hospital Yep k where you want to start well, like the fact that we're losing a bazillion tons of staff you go there you I'm I'm not gonNA lie. So I've been in different circumstances for the last. Was It ben was Zahn seven, seven, eight months for months seven are long fucking time and in the time that I was in the time that I wasn't on. My in my unit said. Unit. I. Did say you know I was thinking about that. Sorry. When I said it is a unit. So in the time that I was not there, there were almost everybody left. Yeah. It's like they're all every floor is new nurses and what that means to me is they're all fresh out of school and are calling me every five fucking men It's. A. God. And I don't want to be mean like I'm trying really hard. But when I'm in the middle of like a zillion different things and I'm getting twenty five messages per second like it's ridiculous there's another change switched from pagers to a program. That's like a messaging APP. Yeah. I'm not sure I like it I. Yeah. Well, that's because you're not a provider. Let me tell you what happens to me. So I'm hospitalised it's all my it's nine minutes. Yes. It's worse with the number of contacts. Okay. But that's one thing. The worst thing for me is no matter what I do log out. Delete the whatever I am getting phone calls and messages even when I'm not on call because if somebody chooses my name, I, get the message regardless if I'm on or not. So, if they send a direct me, I'm getting phone calls on my week off, and if you don't answer the text message like within a set amount of time, then you start getting multiple phone calls until you check. Are you fucking serious and it's terrible because it's non Goddamn stop. I could be in the middle of our end or banging or anything else and hello Dr Pinkie Pie. You have four unheard messages, God I'm like, fuck you once I here. Hello Dr. I Hang Oh, my God, it's all I hang up. I don't even let how do they not know you're not fucking on they choose my name and that's it. That's fucking stupid. It's because I'm a night shift doc. So I admit admit admit a lot. Everybody. I'm sorry well, it's no, it's like. It's like the utilization people because they see my name as the admitting and instead of contacting the day shift managing doctor because my name is on the face sheet as the admitting it comes to me. That's why because these people are outside the hospital, the new utilization stuff that they're doing. Yeah. But even the utilization people even when I was doing that myself, it's Not them anymore it's not just that many more. They have an outside company to Fox. Yeah. That's what I'm saying it's like double done. That's a whole nother new thing and that's caused lots problems. There's so much that's changed so much no visitors were still no visitors you know what I'm not GonNa lie I love it. I'll be honest I kinda love it. I'm all. Right with that, I kinda love it. I've taken phone calls and they've been great and I haven't had anybody get snotty me yet but that's the thing. If you get shitty with me, I have the power to hang up on you. It's true and you know the only thing like we are still allowing visitors like when we have patients, who are you know? On their deathbed and stuff, and we let them come in and still but like just for regular visiting the no, we don't do it then I don't I don't have any problem with that I. Don't I'm totally okay I don't need people in my business in my face now that's another I have a rule when I'm working when I am taking care of patients. On the floor. I will not answer anybody's phone call. Yeah. Until ten o'clock or after well, because you need to take your patients, I yep, nothing comes before that and it's been a rule mind for I don't even know how long it's been real my but it's an early because I think it's good real some people some people get on the phone and then they you know well, has like their wife, their their mother, their cousin. Whatever and have questions and Blah Blah Blah they got a pin number We'll get their phone number and I'll call him back when I'm done. Yeah. I'll call him back because I'm not gonNA stop taking care of my patients and I'm not GonNa just answer a phone call that could last forever. Yeah because I can try and go as fast as I can in the and it's like boom question boom question question boom question. Then we gonNA talk about you know the weather and you know our dog and you know what else have gotten a lot of is family member telling me how to treat things I've had that a lot lately too. That's great. Yeah, and it's like I had one family. Insistent that I treat their family member with plaque winnow insistent I think I was there. Yeah. You pro- was there was there yet and the emergency use for Quinnell has been revoked and they've also revoked like any use for studies now because because they found that there's absolutely no benefit. No, I was wondering yeah and actually increases cardiac risk. So there is no use for it anymore at all with Cova treatment. And I have legit had family members. Insistent that I use it I'm like no. I can't just because you said. So who would you want prescribe this Docu pinky boy 'cause they told me Tamil now. Yeah. Okay. Sure. That'll fly CAV. Right that the is going to take that aren't they? Because they were going to be mad at me and they were yelling at me and I I didn't know what to do. So I decided I just do whatever they tell me because you know they got Dr Google degree plus you're just the girl. Girl. I'm like a sing song type person I yes. I would have to agree you don't set for its I need some more new-kids-on-the-block. So so as listened to the guys show I've been listening other shows a lot. Why don't you just can't gone deep show Goldie okay. Yeah. Going deep show us unless and guys listen to fucking kid listen fucking clean you know going off on Shit in we'll have to get onto one other shows and talk about it but they were bringing up one of our previous conversations that I don't know if they recall it was like that gender roles. Messing thing yeah, and they wanted us to talk about that. Well, one of them says you'll be great meal, get the doctrine herself show in here and you know talk to them about that. They probably they probably all really fucking whatever you know like, fuck? Yeah, we would be oh yeah we get skittles in here too because we're like opposites of where we should be. Yeah he should have he should have the vagina and I should have the penis. Like you know. Right right. All right anyway. Yeah. All right. Anything else about the changes I. Mean we don't really talk about a ton of changes. We just had a bitch I'm okay with Bitch says. Sash. Shush Hugh. WanNa talk about changes in the fucking awesome or anything like you know been driving you absolutely fucking out of your mind. Let us know get onto You know our facebook page our instagram. Doctrinaires F show podcast on Instagram, doctrinaires show on facebook doctors F show on twitter and www dot doctrinaires f show dot com that was eloquently done. Do you like that? Shit? Did I'm so proud here I have in my head because I've been playing with it all day. I've been playing with them like lot lately, even playing with them Paul my God. Oh. Yeah. All right. Yeah. You. Back, SHELLAC. Yes. So I'm going to press this right now. It doesn't play I can't do mine. I can't do mine because I the thing went off I can't remember the number thing Fisher to four is that what it is I, don't know. I don't know. no now Now back back, the dot three three something. Oh Son of a fucking like on the Monitor No. Uh Man. This isn't the hospital. All right. So let's wrap it up. I'll have to play with more later. Yeah. You will play with it more later. All right I'm okay with you playing with it later timeout are we gonNA time out break dance? I can't break dance you know we can end it with a new the block song no, I can just sing it for you. You can I'm I'm just GonNa sit here in Pepsi. But the funding I don I met you. Captured me walking serious popsicle. POPs it. Doesn't mean you're cold and suck. You know that you made the fees fancy free Goldeneye suck. Yeah I lick you and you melt pop. Pop. Walking. That's the best thing I think I've heard like in the last fifty minutes. I can keep you name a new song. I can sing it man I can't do that. I cannot do wrong with you. I was into school really I mean they're okay you know they always make me stand with Danny nobody wants to stand with Danny or used to I used to tell a lot of really really really fucked up new kids on the block jokes in grade. School That's me. Okay, that's the end. Okay. 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Doom Patrol episode 4 on DC Universe kinda spoiler free review

Talk Nerdy to Me

18:49 min | 1 year ago

Doom Patrol episode 4 on DC Universe kinda spoiler free review

"Hey, man. Hey, if you ever thought about joining a cult. Maybe the you probably like this last episode of doom patrol cultural. Culp Trump episode four. In the leather jacket just like robot man, and it's way too, actually. That's I just need to get the mask now in God there in some big boots. Foods the big clawed help of art. So. Episode four four another no to give us owed. Yeah. So I got even near ration- now at that's. Bidden a lot of this one. No, so. Yeah. Episode for apparently they're going to join the cult. No, though is going to join a cult. They're trying to save the world from from. Yeah. This one is this one took a break turn the unwritten book. It's it's pretty it's pretty out. There man is typical joy this is taking right from Dutreuil comic. Really? Oh, yeah. That's pretty interesting. Yeah. This. Cyborg actually did something he finally he kills him emphases, right? Some really weird made out of unwritten letter letters. Yeah. I guess we met hammerhead again again. And then you've met a new one penny. Farthing penny farthing British British stutter. Yeah. But duller power is that's probably her a traitor. Let's just go right behind the guy. Yeah. This one man. This went off the now out of the four episodes. This is probably my favorite ones are really. Yeah. I really liked it. It was it was because it was so out there because I'm I'm a huge fan of Constantine. I'll tell you about that guy. Yeah. So a huge Constantine. The show the movie, I'm I really liked man. I don't know why they pick up constitutes as season two pregnancy w does well air over. So it's a possibility right here about aero. Well, yet he's done. But they still have all the other shows. Yeah. So yeah. So I I like the the coltish magic he will be. Willoughby Kipling or hip. Yeah. Or I personally like the whole the dental floss that was owned by janitor job. It's it is what the extremely thread strong. If the whole the gates Narran high as actually it's it's it's it's pretty out there. But I like I liked it. I liked it a lot. It was really. It was really good. It was one of those ones where you know. Another cliffhanger or this to be a two parter at least two because they said we need to say the world. So screw the chief right now, we need we need to figure this out. They had to be talked into it by a magical horse or unicorn course, bad or said, the new horse head as if you if you don't twenty Beth amid is this like all over the place episode. It was all, you know, kind of it kind of made sense at the end, you know, especially where what was the place that they want to learn Hai NAN Heiner, and I'm sucks. And you actually saw Frazier in this one yet. You saw his actual face. Yup. And as Anna brain. On the four tag. Maybe that was his brain as as a as a we spoiler. She. But it's a as a review on this. I mean, it was it was it was kind of all over the place. And it was really I liked it. I liked that. There was there's more things there. But really it was also cyborg that probably people complain that he didn't do nothing for four episodes. So that was me people complaining, I I could play that he doesn't do anything. And then the only thing that he did was. Cut up some paper men. Sonic blasted. Yeah. It was battery ran low and he had to actually get to go plug in recharge. It's like this camera sometimes battery just shuts off click what? Cyborg. And then there's like divert all power. So I can I can kill on the blast yet. And he's like I like my magic. And this guy has a fiery sword and his doing just out of out of nowhere back yet. That guy you you mentioned custody when grant Morrison was writing DC USA, keep they own vertigo comics, also, okay, and they used to keep those two things completely separate. They didn't vertigo characters mingling with the DC character. Grant Morrison writing Duma choice. They hey, man. I wanna I wanna use constant. I think he'll fit this story. Perfect. Call now staying in vertigo we wanna keep him in vertigo all serious. They wanted dirty. Looks like concept that the character is based on concentrating, which is really cool because I like that whole the Deutz nights knights Templar nice temporary up if you ever look him up. He's not very well liked in the knights Templar. He's like the the one that they don't like they send him all the crap jobs. They don't like him, which is how he got this job the doom patrol, well, which is which is kinda funny because this one is like to save the whole planet. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of a big deal because the D creator is coming is going to decrease everything can't just call. It anti Christ or the all knowing I or something. Yeah. Because that's all it is is I have been eyeball. I liked it. It most likely because I love the series Constantine. If they bring constantly back. I'll be thrilled. But I like that kind of those guys team up will be right team. I'm kind of curious as chaos magic. Yeah. I I'm kind of curious to see if we have ever ever is. So this is kind of spoil it at some the series. So ever it is the anti Christ kid will Elliott Elliott. Sorry, Elliot is the anti is the book of. Yeah. So written book because it looks like he was tattooed this book on him. He grows twos. Like this. Does agree. It's eighteen the book is complete it's complete and somebody has read the book off of and that's how you bring. Do you do do patrol? I mean that was like the funny thing is when when when Kip opened the door, and he says urge go through five second. Okay. We got Kim. Kim kill them. Yeah. It was it's it's kind of all over the place. But yeah, it's another one that if a cyborg wasn't there, it wouldn't change the story at all Kipp Kipp would have having killed them. All and sells said, I because the thing is when you you're saying you are saying that they're falling the comics pretty well. And he's on the comics. I guess they're just kind of shoving him in non essential roles. That's what it seems like he's just kinda. He's just kinda there afterthought because he's like, oh, hey, let's follow the comics. But we need to spice it up a little bit and bring up a major character in. Let's bring it up cyborg. But we don't let's bring it into kind of progress the story a little bit, but have any actual influence, and I think they underestimated the appeal of doom patrol because the show would stand I think even better with outside. I think it was better with outside. Because now it's like, oh it cyborg. So he's trying to be the leader is find something for him to do this. We I think I think this is going to be a I I'm going to say. This is going to be a every week thing that he's going to be an anon- essential role. Just because he wasn't afterthought. I, you know, what's funny. I do that every week way to do this week is -actly and he killed a couple care embassy. But the thing is you know, what I think what really happened is. I think they wrote the story and then the studios all like, hey, we need a Brit somebody in there. So they had a probably rewrite him into the story from when they already wrote it could be because he has no important plot points. In the heat. I'm I'm still trying to find why he's in there because he knows the chief. But the thing is that was easily win then say, hey. My dad he knows that. Oh from five years ago. Okay. Cool. But what is he doing? He he literally does nothing. He. The only thing that he'd probably did was what he's he's talking to. The woman read it. Yeah. Yeah. He's giving her a ration. Yeah. It's like, but the thing is you could replace any one of those characters to do the same thing. I think they said, hey, we're going to have to put it in cyborg in I'm guaranteeing. That's what happened. He was an afterthought the put in there because he's putting no would exist. Got a hold on. How it was a man we need some market marketing, we need for people to actually get this subscription. Predated another supervisor who do we? Come out Friday in the morning. It's so weird. Righty? Six AM eastern. I think nine AM western, well, we we're doing this pretty early. So if this we're actually we've just watched this this morning. This is Friday for us. This video pro Gupta wisdom, you're heading gamma next weekend cut, you we're trying to get ahead of the game for a change. Yeah. So yeah. But like I said, it's a yeah. Doesn't we're. But either way I liked it was personally, my favorite went so far because I love the constant character and anything with with that religious witchcraft magic kind of thing. I I haven't stuff the colts. I dig it. I dig it. And I hope that he is maybe a reoccurring character. Which doubt he will be at least next episode. Yeah. Well, at least put the previews up, and he's in that preview for passive. Yeah. So it's a he works a lot in the comics do patrols, which is what's really cool because if he does and that that's going to give me a little bit more excited on on him being. In there. Maybe they'll kill off type work. I'm waiting for good is call from bat. Yes. I go. You're you're coming up to the major too. Big leagues. We saw a little more character progression to the Larry Trainor negative negative manual. We found a little bit more out. Yeah. That dude's anym- and the only word got out of was torture. Yeah. I wonder I'm wondering torturing bad or he's being mentally hortatory. Or maybe that or like, he'll, you know at our he was put into that body to survive, and he's being tortured by somebody else. It's a I mean, I know you read the comics don't know if they really go into that far. That dynamics little different than it. Does he controls the entity to certain degree, so and then this one robot man, he he really doesn't do any? He doesn't do a lot. He played he tries. He keeps thinking about his daughter. Of course. I mean because if Jane now, he's just a brain. So I think yeah, it's a I think I think that's the thing. When like every episode so far is that they're getting separated? These to go here those two here fill in the comics him in Jane or kind of a thing a thing. Yeah. Look make sense. And they see another one as a Jane's entities out. So we've had like five or still in power bridge. She comes out, and maybe we'll see your powers next episode. You see Jane hammerhead freak out in the church. That was hammerhead. There's a reason. Yeah. Upper history. She. Yeah. Was raped a church in this what? Yeah. Yeah. I think that probably bad time for them to go to half a church. Yeah. Hammerhead? Hey, you stay behind the she almost killed the priest portal guy. Yeah. I like we kept it as well. Your robot guy and the other way kinda screwed the pooch on this one. So we're going to have to do it. And the only weekend of save is Kip thinking is the kill kin. This Camry the book, you can't summon as active, but now the burden bet. Their book has been read. At the end of the episode, you know, kind of spoiler. But yeah, the book has been read, but that that's just the beginning. Now. So kind of watch it with open mind that, you know, you know, stuff's going to be happening. And this is the two part in if you notice Rita has a little more control. Now, she doesn't just turn. Actually elastic girl uses elastic power pushes your arm up against the Willoughby to keep them away. So there's little things building it is progressing, and the only person that doesn't need to be cyber. Yeah. I think just the first three episodes gug the chief Doug at the chief. Hey for our chief, maybe chief analytic are. Somewhere because we haven't heard from. And you also find a little more about chief being kind of not on the up and up with Willoughby saying now that you know, she he'll do ask be done and not think twice about it. Yeah. So sure, especially, you know, getting negative man out of him. Yeah. That was a really good scene. Yeah. Because I think it's a when he said, okay. So negative negative energy guy is is kid gets out of when the other guys in distress. Right. So he, of course, keeps on pushing this button push this button push button until he's the stress comes out. And that's okay. Now, you're the person I wanna talk to I've been trying to count take you for a while. Yes. Yeah. So apparently, the cheap made this this device that he can try to talk through you can kind of book allies. But the only word he said, torture torture. Yeah. So we don't know what context. Yes. I think that that's probably I. I think the problem is that when you have so many characters you're trying to develop in a short amount of time. I mean, this is had a twelve episode run. I think it's I mean, we're pretty up episode, and they're not even giving you details on upcoming episode is blanked out until the they get released. Yeah. Because we don't even know the titles as well. I do have a preview. Yeah. Yeah. But the preview really doesn't and that the preview doesn't come out to like next week anyway. Well, the previews out, but does absol- righties. So you know, I like that we can we can do this weekly thing because we can kind of see worthy progressing because if it was like Netflix. They don't show it all at once. I think this might be a good way. I wish they would bring out a couple of week. But they're met like twenty minute episodes, our episodes, legit our episodes out without advertising. Yeah. So they are you know, one percent one hour. So I think I liked it especially with that that whole Constantine by minute. You what do you think about it? I would say it was my favorite episode. Jeff are. But it's I mean, it's the definite uptick from last seat last week last week was kind of flat for me last week wiscon-. Oh, I didn't care for much. Yeah. But introducing Willoughby and his ties to chief. I think we're kinda cool in the fact that he's into the Colt knights Templar. Yeah. I I've got to save the world type thing. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think I if if he if he's recurring character, I think I'm gonna like this a lot a lot more. I just wanna see all the stuff. He has a co gates. He's at MichelAngelo's ashes the gum of knowing. You think this tobacco you opened? The portal cigarette pack. Yeah. You know, when he says he was like, oh, this is two ounces of micro like Landreau's ashes like that. And he was like small. It's it's out there. I like it. It's it's my personal so-far favorite. But what do you guys think you guys won't you won't you? Well, at least watch it. I yeah, there's a blunt week trial. 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174: WHEN AND HOW YOU SHOULD FIRE YOUR DOCTOR

THE HAPPY WORKAHOLIC PODCAST

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174: WHEN AND HOW YOU SHOULD FIRE YOUR DOCTOR

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Hey guys welcome back to a brand new episode today when his share a story with you about a doctor that I just had to fire and and I'm going to give you some very useful tips when or if this ever happens to you so I had to take a couple of days to calm down so that I could actually record a really good podcast on this topic for you guys because I wanNa make sure Schrimm giving you really good advice and how to do this. If for some odd reason you're ever in a situation where you need to so. Let's just start off with the story so very long story short. I have been suffering with Vertigo and the reason why is because it's a site well. It's it happens because I'm withdrawing from a lot of bed that I should have been on what I was misdiagnosed so my body is detoxing from those meds and I get vertigo permit. The Vertigo went away then it came back and so I was put on this concoction of meds to kill it and it worked but then it randomly came back and then I got a virus and the virus triggered it the reason why have it also also is because of a virus and it's in my inner ear my left ear so with all that being said I was seeing an antique who I recommended to actually a couple of my other doctors and he's very thorough a trusted him and obviously with my situation. It's very hard to trust. Doctors have not through so many but I felt really good and I trusted him with the concoction of meant he put me on the last thing I wanted to do was go back on Prentice Zone. It is literally the worst drug ever and I just had a suck it up and say you know if it's is going to kill this vertigo and like make it stop and I'm going to trust him and take these meds so what happened the last week two weeks ago a week ago. Oh I was in Vegas and I came back and ended up getting a virus so a virus triggered it so it was back in full force and it triggered the prentice zone to basically like takeover my body. If you've ever been unsteady royds prentice zone in particular you can become a little bit crazy and the first step is admitting it right so I was losing my mind like I felt like another person took over my body and you do not WanNa feel like that you know I've spent the last couple of months really treating myself I self with like more rest and feeding my brain with things that will fuel it and just really trying to detox my system from all of this crap that's in it and it's going to take a like a year if not more and then. I chose to put more meds back into my system system which really threw me for a loop so I was out for like a week. I mean pure exhaustion going crazy. Having a virus being sick like my body. He was just like thrown for it just thrown in a whole another direction which it was on a path of healing and then. I put the ship back in my system so now that the viruses gone. I'm feeling better. I'm one two three. I've three more days of my steroids so when you actually hear this. I'm recording it Monday morning. You are listening to this now on Friday. Hey so I'm officially off steroids and feeling a lot calmer and over the weekend I decided to just stop up everything go to the store and get all the fruits and vegetables. I need to heal my gut and detox and just drink all the juices I hadn't had my green juice and I think seven or eighties and I honestly cannot stop eating whether it was sugar sugar carbs gluten dairy so much me like every day was eating me and I've been basically eating Vegan for the exception of when I want let me go go out and get a chicken sandwich or if I'm craving Burger but then other than that like I don't have meat in the house. I just have like basically the Vegan and I feel like that's just what I need to do personally and how my body feels better while I'm trying to heal and detox from from lake call these met with on that's just my personal situation. Everybody is different and so when I crave me when I don't yes I know. Fruits and veggies are the best way to go for me right now. In order to heal as quickly as I can and for months I mean at least six months I juice every morning. That is my meal my breakfast. I make a super delicious fresh juice with all the fruits and veggies and if you're interested in learning anything about or seeing what I'm eating and drinking. It's all on my instagram so you can follow me at happy workaholic if you're not but that's my story now let's get into how and why and when you should fire your doctor and obviously. I'm professional patients so I know when it comes to things like this like what's good and what's not the best thing to do and it was very difficult difficult to do this. I shouldn't say difficult. It was more annoying because now I have to wait two more weeks referral to get another ent but I I wanted to give you the back story of why this happened and I went on a crazy Ramya Sarim stories last week. I was so fired up from my steroids. So if you I feel like watching not you can also had instagram but I wanted to make lists and I'm looking at it now of things that you can do and things that will happen and things that you should do and not say whatever if this ever happens to you or somebody you're taking care of or a family member or friend unlike uses information so that it will help you make the best decision possible in your own circumstance not saying you need to do this and just saying if you're ever in in this position this is how I won about it and I'm extremely passionate and very vocal and I have been since stay one three years ago when I was diagnosed with these things that didn't actually exist in my system and I just want to be able to help thousands of other patients and I know that by recording this episode and giving you all all my back story and information like this will actually help you in determining whether or not you need to make these choices and end first of all okay so I just told you my backstory. Now you know why I was in this position. I was having to go. I was on these meds and these meds just like through my system for a loop. When I got this virus they just started rejecting. It and I ended up in the emergency Z. Room over we actually I think it'll be today because I literally fell like I was having a heart attack and I was about to have a stroke. Something like something was up and my heart was racing so fast was like nominee tingling and like all these crazy things were happening and I was just like I I need to get my booty to the emergency room so what the Er doctor said to me there was that I just can't handle these meds like I need to come off and so with prednisone you cannot just stop this drug. Your body will just again thrown for a loop. You need to taper off. There's a lot of meds ed you need to taper off of I have not tapered off things in the past and that was my choice and I suffered through a lot of really bad withdrawal symptoms uh-huh and it's not fun but just wanted this shit out. That's not the smartest route to go. I've done it before but this time. I knew I needed to because I can feel my body like how I needed to come off this med and I had been on. I been on it for two weeks so it was very odd that these things were happening. Usually they happened with medication upfront like your body just rejects it but because I got this other virus is just through my system into like completely. GET THIS MED out of your body now and now we later. I'm slowly trying to to taper off while I'll be done in three days today. Tomorrow I'll be done Wednesday Wednesday's my last pill thank God so so now in this position where I need to follow up with my emt with my doctor. I need to know how breath he prefers for me to taper off. What's the best way because of the dose was on. You can't just stop so so this is why I'm recording this show so now here. We are in this situation. I'm following up with my doctor. I've been discharged from the emergency room. I need to know how many pills I should be taking taper off what he suggests is. There's something else because I also don't want this vertigo to come back because then I can't do a lot of things so I had called his office many times and by the sixth call still no response but there was a message from him in the system. Nobody had called me about the message I learned about the message because I called called for the sixth time which is one ridiculous so the message said tell her to stop the drugs and she can get a second opinion. That was the message so from a patient's perspective I was like what it's like. I don't understand I'm not asking you for a second opinion. I'm asking you how to taper off this drug one as a medical professional. You know that this medication teaching cannot be messed with you cannot just stop prentice own. You have to taper off your body will go crazy and civil you because it steroids like I literally really was about to lose my mind so that's point one point two. Are you writing me off because I'm questioning you like I'm a patient I've ever right right and I am just clearly asking like how taper off and so he just wrote me off and that's just unacceptable and so I needed to follow up again so then I spoke to through really six calls. I've spoken to multiple people just answering the phone and sending messages. They are not on the medical side. They are war on the office side so I finally get a hold of his medical assistant. Who promised callback did not receive one then Dan. I the next day you know I went to the source I went to CVS. I spoke to a pharmacist. I spoke to somebody who knows the drug. How do you suggest I taper off. I mean I know how I can do. I just want somebody else's opinion. That's familiar with the drug so she told me and so that's what I'm doing and to now be done in today's the fact that the doctor could one knock give a shit to his office doesn't call me back on the sixth call and three just write me off. That's just not okay. I've spent probably eight hours in his office going through hearing testing. BMG Angie testing all these vertigo tests and I'm not questioning your opinion. I'm asking you how to taper off and even if I was you. Don't just write me off office. They get a second opinion like that was a big. F You okay so that's not okay and the medical assistant never called me back back the next day. I just gave myself a break and I said I'm not even going to deal with them and then around like four. I was like you know what I need to speak to his office as manager because there are so many other patients out there that don't know what to do that don't know that they can't speak up that don't know wow that you know you should be persistent and follow up into all the things. I've done over the last three years so I need to make it a point and speak up on on behalf of all these other patients so that's exactly what I did so I had a very thorough conversation with his office manager. Here's where it kind of want to refer to this as like a front of the House and back to the house situation like working in a restaurant. If you're not familiar with working in a restaurant you know the front of the House is the people that obviously the back of the House is the team making your food and this is where the problems are so so. I spoke to the office manager. She apologized over and over again. I said listen. It's not your fall. I just need you to be come aware of this this situation because I'm extremely vocal about being a patient advocate and speaking up and the systems that you have in place are not right and we need to fix that and I know that you are not going to be able to fix that but you do have a boss with a budget that can and it's not okay so I voice my frustrations frustrations. I explained to her the situation. She apologized over and over again. I thanked her for that and she promised she would call me back the next day which she did so we'll get into into that in a minute the front of the House of this office being the girls that are answering the phones the girls that are taking your information booking your appointments all of that they they are slammed they are. I mean you're dealing with thousands of patients right so your job is to make sure that you take their information correctly. Spelling spelling of name phone numbers correctly your healthcare proxy your emergency contact all of which need to be inputted wooded into the system correctly because one little spell check can literally kill a person Sorry not spell check. Misspelling can literally kill someone whether it's a med whether it's you know numbers anything from your past records. It's like this. These systems need to be put in place so that the people working in front of the house can input correctly right so that needs to be taken care of when it comes into the back of House Aka the doctors the nurses and medical. Excuse me the medical assistance all of that situation. Those people need to be taking care of the patients nurses. A medical assistance are dealing with thousands of patients that are coming in every day. They don't have time to check the patient portal to email you back to call you back to pull records when they've never actually senior chart before. I feel like there needs to be another middleman and this is what I was talking about. Iran in these offices in order to do so because it's almost like a concierge right making sure the guests is always happy. You WanNa make sure the patient is always taking care of and because the medical assistance and the nurses and the the doctors are seeing people every fifteen minutes. There's no time for a callback which is why I'm following up six seven eight times because no one's getting back to me and it's not their fault. There needs to be another person in place in these offices that can do you so to make sure the patient is at ease to make sure the patient is okay. I almost went back to the emergency room like two other times because I thought I was really going art attack because I'm not being answered about a specific medication. That is just not okay. The fact that I was written Nov is not okay the fact that I was promised to call back by a medical assistant and I never received that is not okay granted a couple other things that that were very odd with this particular office had happened and I just kind of wrote them off because I was like Oh you know they're updating their systems and I was getting confirmations nations. You people calling me about other appointments with other doctors and like that's not me like I've never heard of that doctor. I've never made an appointment with that doctor doctor and they just said Okay and that was it but like where's the patient's information that was supposed to see that doctor they could have been waiting forever and this office did just update their systems and It's kind of been like a hot mess with them. Let's just say and I know list because I've received those calls and I also know this because they voiced that to me. Something else that was voiced to me. Is that when I believe. It was like the fourth fourth or fifth call. one of the Girls Upfront said. I need you to voice their frustration because this is the first. This is not the first time that this this happened. Okay first of all if you worked for me until somebody don like you'd be right now for fire 'cause that's just like not okay second of all the fact that this is happening. Multiple Times is also not okay so it's like another red flags these random other things have happened and they kind of added more fire like more Mo to this fire and I was just like Oh my God like thank God I just kept saying like I wrote a post about this on my facebook last week. Thank God this happened to me and not someone else who doesn't know what to do because because I am trying everything in my power to be able to help as many patients as it possibly can by using my voice being vocal by hoping to implementing unlike strategies where budgets are that. You can fix this so let's see what else so. I guess it's where where we are now so I had vertigo Ahmed. I got a virus through my body for a loop. I needed to come up this med. My doctor is an answering. How does this happen go to CVs as pharmacists. They helped me. I'm good. I'm going to be off the drug in three days now now. I'm dealing with the office manager so that she's aware now. She calls me back so when she called me back. She also told me that she she had a personal health story where she totally understood my frustration. Blah Blah Blah so thank you for sharing. I appreciate that however her message edge from the boss of my doctor the head of this medical building said he would be more than happy to see me okay so that right there still doesn't answer my questions because the reason why was following up with this doctor is to see how I can taper off this drug. That's it. How do I taper off. I don't need to be seen. I need to know how to come off a drug when there's a medication evolved and I've already been to the emergency room and I feel like I should be going back multiple times every day. That's a problem so the fact that you're still not answering the question regarding a specific medication education that I was put on by someone in your office. You actually don't even have the decency to pick up the call like yourself and call me. That's fine. You're slander land. So is everybody else in this world but that's a red flag another one and that is absolutely unacceptable. It's just unacceptable. I'm talking to you and I need your help about a drug a drug that can literally kill someone a drug. I'm having problems with and your message to this patient is I'll be more than happy to see her and so I ask office manager. Did you relate it like the specific message that was in need of like answering because I don't need to be seen. I need to taper off drug. This is serious and then that's when she told me her story about how she understands my frustration and I said and I I was a little bit fired up talking to her and then I apologize you know. It's not to you because I can understand. I hear it in your voice that this is not the first time mm-hmm and I've also heard like I mentioned earlier from somebody else in your office that this is not the first time this is unacceptable so what I need you to go back and do a say thank you but I'm all set. I will no longer be needing your services. I ever I will be recording a podcast on this. I will not say your names yes but I need it to be known that this is not acceptable. The fact that I'm calling specifically about a drug and for the second time I must get I've like getting written off. It's not okay and she understood. I said you know I'm speaking on behalf of thousands of patients patients that don't know what to do in this situation that don't know to speak up and everything. I just mentioned earlier like it is not okay and I felt this weird weird feeling in my gut throughout this process to like just keep pushing pushing pushing pushing and I did that because one I was a little bit sake on my steroids and to I have to like pro point like it's constant like it's so frustrating and so I was voicing my frustration to her again. Dan and we had a really good conversation and I said I just really hope that you are able to help somebody else. That doesn't know what to do next time because I'm I'm a smart person. I've made becoming healthy and you know this has been a job. This is why referring to like front of the House and back of the House like I'm I'm referring saving my own life as a job because it was my another job for me for three years and if I I to not look at being sick or being misdiagnosed or taking on this these multiple legal cases as a job I would be dead and that's like sickening sickening to even say and it makes me emotional because I fought so hard to save my own life and now I want to fight even harder to save others. Which is why I'm becoming an attorney which is why I want to implement these strategies into offices where they have budgets and they don't realize like what's missing. You want to save lives the doctor. Will you need to save lives in the clerical department and answering calls because someone's going to die when you don't answer that caller helped him taper off the drug and not to Lawsu like when you like to prevent that so I clearly I'm getting upset and like so passionate about this. It's like unreal because you feel that fire in your gut. You know what's right. You know what's wrong and you know Lake Nick. There's so much information missing. Why are these people not put into jobs that that can help save lot like there's something missing and I went on this huge around like I said on Instagram Post this long post on facebook because I was so fired up and this is why I'm recording this episode so I wanted to give you the story of the Vertigo what happened while I was on. The drug wia needed to taper off and why needed to fire my doctor. This is why because of these specific reasons that I just mentioned when you feel that something in your gut is wrong. You need to go with if it if you're wrong then you figure it out later but like when there's no communication there's no follow up. There's no care forget it. Find someone that's going to f ing care because life is too short and the stress that I was under last week being on this fricken drug me one hundred times worse. My heart was racing. I was shaking like I was like ready to like do cartwheels but like cry at the same time and then I couldn't stop eating on top of it like Anna had virus. It was awful now. Today's detox day numbers feeling feeling a hell of a lot better and calm to record this episode because they really want you to hear my story in here my frustration and hear what what it is. Did I do to make things right to make things better for myself because my priority is myself number one if you do not have your health you're you don't have anything else. I know this from experience and I'm now on a mission to help as many other patients possibly really can whether it's on the medical side the legal side so this is why I'm sharing my personal story what happened because I really think that by listening to the store you'll be able to get a lot of information out of it and like here my frustration and here my passion and I'm not saying fire doctor and saying if you are ever in this position go with your gut follow up like do what's right. Do what you feel in your gut. If you don't feel something is right then you go with that feeling and I guarantee like two hundred percent of the time it's GonNa. You'RE GONNA be right and you're going to feel so much better granted. I need to find another doctor. I have to wait two weeks to see my primary to get another referral. Oh and to do all that and then I'm probably going to have to go through all the testing again but you know what I've made a decision to stop this medication I now I don't know how I am now concentrating so hard on healing and detoxing my body with all the fruits and Veggies veggies and the recipes I'm creating that is my sanity like that is what keeps me sane being in the kitchen and like really concentrating on like pudding good shit into semi system and not bad shit and the fact that I was just put on these meds. I thought it was going to help a trusted. This doctor that is my issue is serious. Trust issues now because of that and I really thought that I was GonNa be good with this one but you know shit happens and here we are so the only thing I can do from this experience is fix it for others. Which is why again. I'm recording this episode. So if you're ever in a situation like this first of all make sure you're taking notes. I put everything in notes section in my phone. I write things down at my planner and my notebook like because my memory is awful. If you have a great memory then you won't maybe need to write anything down but you want to make sure that you're tracking these things that are happening. If people aren't answering your calls halls here patient Puerto emails following up when they're promising like there's thousands of patients we understand but when you're on the eighth call it's a bit ridiculous. Don't you think so. That's when you know it's time to move forward. And how do you move forward. You Be Professional. You be polite you make it aware. Are you never know when this doctor's. GonNa show up. You never know you just never know anything in life to you but the only way that you can do things correctly is by by listening to your gut and just doing what you feel is right and for me that was bringing this huge story to the awareness awareness of the office manager who essentially this is her job being in charge of the patient up front and then in the back but there needs to be somebody else because as a manager. She's managing her team. She doesn't have time to do these calls. This isn't her specific job so I'm going to be doing more research about this because I feel like there's a certain there's something very specific. That's missing in these offices and so I'm like halfway through my research but I need to do more and like I don't know how I'm going to do this but it just needs to be done. There needs to be some. I'm kind of other system in place and from a patient's perspective and a medical illegal perspective it's all missing and I think it would really benefit. Will I know it will be extremely beneficial for the patient and the medical teams and like all parties involved so to wrap this up the number one thing that that I can tell you that's changed on how I would've taken care of this like ripping them new ones screaming at them in the middle of their office losing losing my mind which I've done report done before and it's actually written unlike medical reports on charts for some doctors that have had to fire before which is kind of funny. It's when I'm done with my legal case auction share that one day but right now I can't is mindset if I was not meditating if I did did not have a different mindset I would have lost my shit and I did a little bit but like not to them. It was just about the situation and I apologize apologized professional like you understand my frustration you understand. I just want to change this for other patients out there so they don't experience what I just went through so I'm a tough cookie. I've saved my own life like for three years. So the fact that I'm still here I can still talk about. It and I can still help other people because I am. That's what I have to do. I have to be able to help other patients. That's why I have my chat Monday series on Youtube because I want to help other their medical professionals other caregivers other patients other people out there having to do anything to do with somebody's health. This information needs to be shared and so so much more inside of me like right now. My focus is to heal my body and make sure my mindset is like a okay so that I can help more later. You're so right now. You know I took a little break from Med chat Monday series on youtube but there's a bunch there now that you can see and I'll put the link in the notes show notes for are you. I just know that you know. Nurses are under a ton of stress. Doctors are under a ton of stress. The patients are under a ton of stress. The girls answering in the guys in the office are under a ton of stress because this is an industry. That's never going to stop. Unfortunately there are millions of people that are sick in the world and they're always going to have a business but if you're going to have a business and you know your attempt is to make people better and save lives. You've got to be doing doing it the right way and there's a lot of miscommunication misdiagnosing. You know malpractice protocols that are not okay and thing like just there's so much missing so. I hope that you got a lot out of this episode whether it was to take into into your own personal situation or maybe you know somebody that's sick and going through lake some crazy drama with the doctor. It's okay to move forward and fire them. It's okay to have a conversation and speak up. It's okay to document every single little detail in your notes because because you may need at one day because I approve six medical malpractice legal cases later document dates and Times. I would not be wearing them right now and my story is very different than others. Everybody has their own story. This is mine. I've just decided to share with you. I hope that if you are ever in a situation Russian where you do feel something odd and something is wrong in your gut and you aren't a situation where you just don't trust the doctor or doctors ars rather than you move forward and find another one and if you need some gut healing and mindset tactics meditation and Brain Foods Foods that fuel and help heal your brain as well. You can find all that on my instagram. That's what I've been posting a lot of lately my facebook group as well the Happy Workaholic pollock network facebook group all that will be in the links in the show all those links will be in the show notes but I just I really wanted to record an episode would like this because I know that if it's happening to me it's happening to thousands of other people so I just wanted to give you some of my tips on how to do it. You know be professional be He. Politely just make sure you're showing up and following up and documenting everything. You have to document if you do not. You're in trouble because it's going to save your life. One day can promise you that but now that I'm feeling better. I'm going to be off these steroid soon. Appealing a lot calmer rested a lot over the weekend. My body was just like exhausted. I took a whole page of notes to record this episode because I didn't want to miss anything sharing with you guys but again you do not need to fire doctor. If you don't have to just giving you a story my personal story in situation where if you feel in your gut like maybe that's time than this is how you would do it. Bring awareness to do the nurses and office managers and document everything and just be professional polite. Thank you for your time but it's just not going to work out. I I need to go get another opinion. I mean apparently that's what they wanted me to do anyway. Because that's the message that I got here we are but I hope that you guys got some useful information out of this episode by me. Sharing my personal story which is happened and again just always go with your gut and of course I'm not a medical professional. I am just professional patient and I know what's best for me and that's the decision that I I went with and I'm feeling really good about it. If you guys have any other questions comments concerns you can always reach out to me. I'd be more than happy to help. You answer any questions that I can but that's all I wanted to share today. How why when it's time to fire your doctor and move forward forward with your own personal healing journey. I just hope that if you are listening to this episode and you're not feeling good that you make decisions that will make you feel good because that's what I'm doing now and I'm on a mission to help thousands of other patients out there feel a lot better so I hope you guys have a wonderful Friday and a wonderful the rest of your weekend and I we'll talk again soon. Thank you so much for listening to today's show. If you liked this episode please share it with someone who you feel needs to hear this message and don't forget to tag me at happy workaholic on facebook and Instagram so I can feature you on my stories and if you have two minutes and listening on I tunes or Apple podcasts. I would love it if you can leave me a radio. 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Episode 68: Vertigo

The Patdown with Ms. Pat

55:57 min | 4 months ago

Episode 68: Vertigo

"What's up, St Louis. Issue is pat. I'm on my way to helium comedy club. July thirtieth to August I. Get your tickets at helium dot. com I'm on my way to Saint Louis get ready to Saint Louis. Ain't shit else to do. Come laugh with me Babe Buffalo. I'm on my way. Damn and AIN'T GONNA. Quarantine for fourteen days either I'm on my way August six. Nine yard and keeping me for no fourteen day bringing you. Get Two tickets I'm going to be a helium comedy club Buffalo. I'm on my way. August seeks through tonight first time in Buffalo. Get your tickets. We can laugh ourself. Hey, it's boy, Chris, if pat-downs ever made you laugh, the join our patriotic and support US get bonus, content, a t shirt, or an autograph copy of Rabbit Miss Pats Autobiography Visit Ms Pat Comedy Dot Com for the link to the Patriot and while you're there, join our facebook group. Welcome to another episode of the PAT. Now he'll crease in. And we'll talk about my as I've been in the hospital. That's why you don't see no steps on my fucking phoebe. Went, down down down I can't say A. Branch was in distress. Some real distress beat myself. Here about after his yeezy. took. Best. Fitting real fat not. GonNa play with. Him Live. On real crime equal. Again. Going to spend. You. Cut Earth but. Everything. Fun Full Taste. Alpha annoyed your this computer. So let me let me say. Anybody out there. My started his own. Thing we walk right. And I was in third place for the loan. She has an elaborate scheme to get out of it. So if you notice I haven't had any movement is because. I was in the hospital, so I started this whole. Thing. I'm going to get healthy well. I always suffer from something called Vertigo Yeah. I'll probably heard me say if you ever see me, do focus. Stand up, which is running my mouth. Always talk about Vertigo but this time I woke up. He hit me like a fucking Brie. And if you don't know Vertigo is is when you hit really Diese so I'll Waco with I go first of all I put court in him and some of the fuck. You can name jump John Paul is your fucking John Paul. I think you got one hundred thousand steps. Let me check while I'm here I think. He got like one hundred thousand fucking steps, and we all just gave them sneaky. You can win. We'll give up, but almost. Bid On the treadmill and just let that bitch go. Today I'm surprised, but shot up to Kansas for posting the lake photos of the group though she felt the John Paul up to one hundred and twenty-one MS, genie is up to ninety seven, Nikita be calling on fair down, and I think a might be next delays, so I wake up at two three or close losing you. Hospital for four days so. We need to check on the last. Five! So! I ended up in hospital. Dion fucking, but I got this all wake up at three o'clock because getting for. And so I get up and take a piece in and I come back to the room, but wold wrongful hoop, just real quick one time and I was like okay. Just calm down beach, vertigo by the folk up so I get back to the bed, and I sat out in the fucking room. Take off like a fucking roller who? And when your head is spinning, like that is like you know, you look. What is it called loosening loosening you room I really spinning, but that's what you're fucking is see and that fucker role where round around grabbed their cover, and I'm used to Vertigo, but I never had these bay so I tell my husband just vertigo set out and I said No. This is a new type of Vertigo right here I got real cold, and I just started pouring sweat like I was in a son, and that's a fucking now I want, and my husband's the most common for he ain't going crazy. He Ain't movie called the Thakin now on one eight. Because you know, I took a shower night. Thank so I got him. A raggedy draws I'm comfortable. You don't want Lebron and came one sexism's. To holes in them so. She got on the Hog Hogan t shirts. What you're GONNA do brother. MAS Say. He. When he pulls a parent I, can't I see 'cause like my eyesight just fucking one away. So he on the doors. And so. So. He helped me with my pants. So and I said I can't see, but I walk out one. Those I love you. Tell me you want. You can stand up with Sony mcgeough you stand. They put me on a stretcher when I get to the hospital. The doctor was like well. You need. It'll take a year. And they give me up and I started gagging, throwing up in peace netted same time, and so Dr Piecemeal folk out because he was like I'm sending. which and I was like this ain't the same fucking vertigo. This is something different, so then I think I'm having a stroke right, so they opened. My. fucking my husband, say my our just going. Woo Woo, Woo, Woo Woo like wish. So. Close as I see what I need to see. So they literally in my chest, Guy Real, it felt like a fat bitches sitting in my chest, so as I came. Came resort inside of all kind of she'd gone heart attack stroke, so they give me and they give me some medicine in. It comes down. I'm fucking drought and I land in some tapped me on there and these excuse me as An Ip. Catechal I really can't mind. She said Oh. You can medium is paying and say yeah. She's I knew that was you. Can I get autographs? A bitch I can see the. The fuck away from me I. Can't he focusing my eyeballs out of control, this might be the last one. Soda ended up the ended up in hospital hospitals in hospital four five days and and I'm still suffering from a now. That's why you haven't seen a lot of movement out of me. Because I have the rest I got you so bad. This time I literally have to go through fiscal therapy, so they had to go on my ear and I didn't realize how for the ear was. these Malachy says Oregon in our ear. Molecules associate so when you're vertical mess up then little hairs they stick and details on the Phoenix in sickness to your brings or some shit like. And, so what happened was. Stuck, so they went in my ear. LIQUID IS JEALOUS STUFFING YOU'RE! Stuck on jealousy because you'd be really fucked up so bar with day three in hospital I started to be able to open my eyes staying light, but. On the last day I had to do some physical therapy itself and what type of therapy when I get out this and the later Bay Sleigh, I can't lay flat turned me. Count of light me up. Oh my God! I serve you. Don't put me back down everything spending, and when you when you spend, you really scrimmages. Your body makes you feel like you're It is the worst feeling that you vomit and you. fucking Piss is like he losing control of Your Argon. That's how bad I got it now. I can't even drive right now. I literally cannot drive I have vertigo one time in my entire life, I was probably five or six and I just I remember. I was trying to go to the bathroom. And I remember getting to the door handle, and then literally like it was like the whole room like flipped. Upside down and by bound. You. I understand why she throws up because it feels like your body makes you feel like you're spinning, even though you're not at all like. That that that feeling like you're on the little to world like it's like that, but it's super intense and I remember passing out and be like what? I've never had it again, but I was like what the fuck was that for her to be in the hospital for. Four days because I day five days a week. I can't like. I know that minor feeling had that one. I can't imagine feeling like that for five days, I cannot. And I'm still suffer from like. Today's a good day. Yesterday was not a good day, so I can't like I just can't I got they said I have? Optical. Vertigo I can straight if I look side to side it fucks me up so. I, do take medication for nausea dizzy and you're not take something for the Vertigo. To black trump supporters. Nausea Dizzy. Folk. Yeah, they ought to cover that and trump border, but. It was. It was a modified was. Fuck me because I'm just like I know how I got it. So I started his thing. Hey, guys, come, join me because I got an Apple Watch and I WANNA walk. A baby daddy gave it to. Late for to go. Like I said John Paul walked so mustard day and I. Just wanted to Outdo Court records. I'M GONNA. Keep up with John Positive. John Paul Crazy here in the UK to be clemen mountain, goat backs and she. Should go bash how Jason Sheep Everywhere I. Don't know what the fuck over doing, but I'm trying to outdo quality I wouldn't sit down. I walked I walk for miles. Five miles at the par came. Home walked another two miles either how any calling me and colleges income? Nobody could kid jump power will. Jump passes I'm just walk around Alan. Guinness stabs getting instead of getting instead of our. Nine the kitchen island the kitchen allen. Got At two o'clock in the morning caller move I moved caller move our mood and early childcare pay USO, he damn near kill me and I ended up in hospital and it was. It was not fucking fun, so so when I said that I had a heart attack and so. When they realize I wasn't having a heart attack him to this heart. Monitor their piece. And then they said well. Maybe she had a stroke Dieter Dr Tell I think she had a stroke so the next day. They gave an MRI MTI PPI. Air Thank wasn't. He realized decent insurance crazy nuts in here. Which is? Sales are. So. Plays Your titties every five minutes. Let a man unstick is ball's from his thigh hot in here. He's. You know he calls Whiteboard you dig it. Would probably be and so they know I didn't. Know Common. Common so. Why I'll shut the fuck. You. Stop to sell his nuts, so let me say they coming home. Played Yourself. Come in a room and they had a stroke right and so I'm starving she. I'm starving. They don't know what type of Diet they won't me on so to stay where I'm from. Therapy and I gotTA. Make sure you didn't have a stroke. And he coming out with two little packs, cracker right and it's a war. GotTa move stroke to his. These smell like toad. So. He's I I need to see you chew. It was granted. I love Frank Okay. You May. Greg, Cross Nick I had no Gimme out emotion. I'm just to give you the water. Dry. He said well. You didn't have a stroke. I said I'm. So. That's why you have seen me moving much because my has been in the hospital for about five days, and I got home this weekend and hopefully I'll be back cupping attic, so I can't drive for the rest of the week. And it was the guy was like you're going to be down for about six years to work for Vertigo. I'll go and get dizzy when they stop stopped. Tell a joke when it stopped by telling Joan. So. I didn't know what tied messaged. You guys and said Hey. Are we still meeting four on Monday? Deanne responded no. She's in the hospital. I go. Oh, no something serious and he goes no her. Equal Liberties fucked up. So I call you. Call me or I called you go. You're right. Chris? I can't see you know. When black people get rich, they go blind. Yes she goes. A shuffling around this hospital like Ray Charles. Because I feel my way to the only. You know was the you lar-. You see the bay, so you kinda learn where everything is, and you got these. These nurses they in the small is bitches to pull your off the toilet, so I said Ma'am. Just let me. bitches regard. And they put me on a covert flow right Oh. Let me tell you we're gonNA, take a break, and then I'm GonNa. Tell you this. As. Folks adapt to changes in world. We're going about most of online more than ever so just get ready for it you an ECOMMERCE seller and you're ready to meet the demands of all new deliverers culture be ready. 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The whole five days I would doubt. Over saying but Dakota, Co.. Pay Them. No But He got talk. He's I gotta how surgeon in three weeks I can't be cold with FLO. He got the home so. They put me they give me the Cobra takes. Read out that I had this episode of peace and no myself in fucking seeing just having a hard time. They little white later only I just know she white 'cause I grabbed him, and she said I cova tests, and it's a longest cute timothy. Skinny is I never Q. Like this. issue down my nose and my reflex Bitchy, her chair so hot. I say Ma'am I hit. You Re Flake. You told me you were going at my nose like that. You hit her. Well? I didn't mean to you I. Just Bam. Get at my know. I'm laying up there and Rachel status can see. She said I'm going. To do now she is. Taste. Jack. Treated her like an open Mike Comic. Mari flair hit the little girl. Chess Oatman saw as. You come on. dopey seven key kits knows. That she. s she heard that. I've heard horrible. It is hard. It's not that bad I've heard it's horrible. Horror. Ask You almost feel like a roach you're. Up, you know it's a relatable. Yeah I'm like. Shit I WANNA never felt that down now. That's a whole nother set of. Viruses, yeah, but I'm like. So, you feel anything. So. They put me on a cold. Here, and why I'm on a college flow. I'm said. Everybody coming out any light. They liked that real movie out. What was outbreak? When ahead on it? Has and there was just like day. Until the I test negative. Then they start coming our regular mask on. On a cold floor because my eyes closed the whole time, right? Glasses so I couldn't see what was wrote on the board. And I, actually while you walk around with that outfit on I'm I'm Monaco inflow. She's like yeah, well. WHAT THE FOCUS! My date three a day, fo-, she's all. We tested comeback. So you got tested when you first got there or they tested me for everything I had an MRI and heard. It's been taken longer to get the test. Hospital but I am I that was really fucking scary? So you know that's when they put your big as machines get one from my faintness him. Yeah, and they They sound like they join you a whole new Scott talented. Like, if you? With me by me being by me, already having you know businesses she. Came is club, and then I kind of opened my eyes. Trying to be knows. You. fucking machine and your whole body. It was it was Kinda weird. CLAUSTROPHOBIC. yeah, but I kept. My eyes closed so I wouldn't act I wonder what they do. People really can't go in on. I think there's like more like open is now like they've tried to create machines, but like I've heard when they go in there and they're claustrophobic they they freak out. Yeah. I used to be held across claustrophobic like big to. What did I say? It. I told them. I was like the reason why I think I. It was because I was just I over heated and when I got, everything checked, they were like. Yeah, you're normal. Your levels are normal. Everything seems fine and I think it was because I had a pinched nerve. which is what was causing the majority of my chest pain issues. Which? The overheating, I think freaked me out, and that's why I passed out because I just get like super hot and like. It heals on its own. Mostly because I have shitty shitty posture, I can go to physical therapy, but I don't WanNa. Pay For it so. Just gotta sit up straight every now and then. Is He see? Reminded I do that, too where it's like. Oh, correct posture here I'll tell you when I when I out what opened my eyes on day four, and now I have a sofa. Husband like a little sweet, so I, look on the, so. I got all of these Beagle. Ole Granny Pampers Hulu fuck is that. You know me being black, I, said who I know, need some Powell's. Meanwhile Hafer jokes. Are Up panty liners. No some big air. English Bitch, get rid easy. They would like three pro. What the thaw. Did you have them on no I. Put this shit on me I needed she. They try to give me the bed. Pass man, my my johnny. Carry out on the. Come out and play. She's not a Portland and. Tell everybody who are? Every dot became so i. You a comedian yet, Dr. I ain't now today I'm GonNa. Seek Nickel as The pretty good joke you got. I'm GONNA CU when I get to conjugate. Tell us a joke now. I didn't get. That was so terrible. Awkward. They should have like digger. You the joke. That's why I'm here. Don't talk about. That that's why been out of commission, yeah, because I- vertical, but I'm better than this using the hospital. I was on facebook jail. How was your weekend? It was great. It was white, so uneventful made a lot of money. A lot of privilege and I'm just kidding. Why were you in facebook jail and Reported my sheet. He going to say every other day. Isn't this the second time in like? Is the third time so I got I got a bay in the first time for like twenty four hours. The second time was three this time it was seven. I they give you a list of all the things. You've got banned for the first. Three bands I got banned for reposted and laughing emojis. They don't even show you the video that reposted so I have no idea I guess they WANNA get community standards I. Don't know what the fuck video. It was so I can't be like my bad. The the first twenty four hour on I said Americans are fucking idiots, and that's what got me saying. That's crazy. Because Americans are fucking idiots, the second the three-day band. I don't remember what I did. I I think. I posted a video that they didn't like and then this time I move my buddy. Sydney does a facebook live show and they were talking about blow jobs and he has his. Sex doctrine she was talking about women giving blow jobs, and how to get better I was like. Yeah, because women aren't as good as think they are. That guy flag for hate speech. Because women aren't as good. Don't you hate when the truth is hate? Has True. You should have been flag what that women aren't good. Give hate as they think they are. Do aren't as good at fucking as we think we are. that. Somebody else said that they didn't get. What a thing is that most women? Do that probably have had a bills paid and you fucking up their. Their employment by saying that they're not good what you like to go to work and being and give snitched on by your supervisor. To supervisor. I'll put the matter. Matter. I! So thin line. Mouth talking about people you don't know. No? No, he knows. A DICK SECTOR LAP. Some are not as good as you say are, but I'm not rude about it I. Don't say anything right to your face. Just post online don't name names. That's really a bullshit reason to get like you've got I was. So I said that at like eight o'clock and then at two forty. It was like yeah, we this has been playing. That was so yeah. Waited a whole six hours I've had stuff where I've gotten bands. I've been twice so once I what it was you when you fucking threaten me to. You report me it. You remember that picture that you took a let me see if I can fuck him. Find It. You did something. Don't you? Blame the White Man. You, got it. So? I got banned years ago for something I had posted years before, and they had just implemented a system where they were able to scan all the images, and I had a Meema that like three years after I posted that got me, and so I got a one day ban, and the next time was like a few months later right before the twenty eighteen election's I said I, said something I used I said Jews but I said in a historical context, and they took me out for thirty days beyond the election. They were not play in with me. They're relying. You're a libertarian needed to get of here. So the next, the next one's a thirty day. You'll get a thirty day. So. My first one was march sixth. I don't remember what that was four and then June twenty seven to twenty nine, and then the fifteenth. You've got somebody reporting. Oh Yeah, absolutely! Yeah, so the very first thing on here was. Jokingly, doing it in the group like when we first started doing. Remember I think you'll like I'm GONNA report you for hate speech. I guess they took that seriously. Oh, and maybe they're following. So L. Well, so I found out that he was banned and I knew how long has banned was and I got in the group and I said Dionne has. Eight hours to respond to this quiz mind. Out it and he didn't, so she's mine. No, I did respond now I. You said Twelve and the you cut it to four and I responded within the four hours. because. He was on facebook jail. I literally got out like an hour before. Dame it. I'm surprised people don't flag me. Get Show ass can't get you banned. They can ban you for anything like and it just depends on how you say I think we've got. His. My is like three months. Four months left until the election and they're going to be so so so tight on all these that they removed a lot of. Crazy ship out people go out and make those pages. Drunk. They just removed the sheet tunnels they they don't even have so. When you do get flagged, you can challenge it. But when you challenge it, they're like Oh dude covert nineteen. We don't have as many people so they just they like. We're not gonNA. Take they just. You, don't get to UN. On be banned, I guess India because they don't have enough people working. Yeah, but they're taking no chances. They'll take everybody down for anything on Facebook, because I don't WanNa, get blamed. NOT, only! He just lost a lot of fucking. Is Money remember a couple months ago? Who was that left him? Everybody left his ass because he wouldn't. All of that trump ship and that racist. She go on facebook Coburg soccer. Yeah, he. was seven billion. Dollars Worth Advertising One day. Yeah, so I don't envy their task. Because if you watch Jack Dorsey from twitter on Rogan, you get a better person for like the scope of what they're dealing with, and there away small like three hundred people at twitter, and there's like billions of people that use this shit, but like facebook has literally like two point five three billion people on it like that's I can't even imagine like I run a couple websites. Over my head like imagine having two point five billion years half the planet uses your Shit, and like it's just an impossible task to expect them to predict what is going to be outrageous months for now. You know like their stuff that you can. You can probably guests that like. Okay. These foreign actors are coming in from Russia to do this thing, and they say these things like some of that's probably predictable, but like. I I somewhat give them a pass because it's just like the task of managing these social media companies. If you're the CEO probably technically is just incredibly difficult. I mean that there's there's security division is huge and the the content people have to be. Probably the second largest, yeah, just a filter through all that bullshit like that's a monumental. To. Have you ever read the stories? So there's all these stories from like facebook like facebook twitter Youtube specially more than any of them. The people that go and review the shit so like you. That's automated, but then you request to review in a person looks at that and so. These people who work in the Review Department that look at the stuff all day long developed PTSD after like a couple weeks, just because of the horrific shit, people say that they see an images or videos on youtube on facebook like if you're one of those reviewers like. Horrible the Shit. That's on there that people see. My brother follows a instagram channel like. Just to most disgusting like animals fucking up other animals like faces of death. Do you remember that like that? So I saw the that white terrorist down in was either Australia New Zealand who went in the mosque and yeah. I've seen that video. Yeah I saw. That was just fucking. Why would you WanNa Watch that I saw it on Instagram, and it was down about two hours later because people reported it, but like somebody has to watch that video of people getting killed so like I'm sorry like the mean tweet. They don't really give that much of a shit about so, which is why like it's Sorta, so it's like when you know that everybody's watching you before the election because you're blamed for trump getting elected for some odd reason. Instead of Hillary, being a candidate. Like they're gonNA. Just go over time like there's GonNa. Anything, we'll take you down. We don't need you on here. He had lose back hair when he lost their seven billion dollars in one day. That stuff comes back though like they do as do for the press, but then like after everybody moves on and forgets they all. Go back and start advertising again. And that's why so important to hold these people accountable. That's why it's so important. You say you spend your money. It's like. If, you're really against that Shit, then you have to be vigilant until you. Ain't never seen nobody vision about their money then fucking around really. She walked in the room one day. No Papa John's. Why bit we like Papa John. He's racist okay. But they got check. Gosh Agnew. He's trying mad. Shack is on every advertisement. The General One day was the general and their Papa John's icy hat, and like man I ain't buying no Moshe itch check. It's like when you when your company's in trouble. You're being Jonah Combat I. Don't think I ever Papa John Not because. Papa John Nonprofit John's sheet. A piece of what is good piece of the family okay. I like Papa John. Piece was one of my favorite. The the. Deals yes, the owner is what turned me off their. He got well, he's he was such at how back in the day when he first started I really was rooting for gas mileage. Businessman came out of nowhere with a piece ideal you know. When he jumped on him, bob better better ingredients. He had to change his slogan. One time I thought that was unfair. I always cheer for the Public Don Guy and he just got so be where I guess it was more about the. Always more about the money. When you get rich, I guess where he act like he didn't give a fuck about people. She he was saying yeah, and he didn't like saying he's board meeting. He will use the N. word, and and that's why I left. It's not because he said the and word is because that board didn't do anything about it like that's why stop it was like. He can be as racist as he wanted, but y'all to check him, and nobody did anything. It took a while to check him, and I was like Y'all plea if you just get rid of him and after they get rid of him. After they got rid of him a little bit any says. This no Papa John's for me and I learned have had papa John in two years. I used points. I'm Kinda Mad. And piece is shit. I mean I prefer domino, but they take too long and never get your order. Right I work for Dinardo's and I love them. Hardly Pizza Yeah. We probably go fuck this shit up so if if we do. We'll fix it. We probably we'll make. Whole slogan. All paved the road if we. Like we fuck up your pizza. We got pizza insurance because we probably GONNA fuck you. Commercial Senate. We're going to bring it back to the house. Just like you ask for the first time. I? Think Greg's like day of Domino's. Why is it so hard to get it right? The first one atop so we eat dominoes. That's what we eat a lot of the I mean you know whenever I order out, but. They say they say it's shitty piece, but I like it. Yeah like Papa John's is always the best of the low tier pizza joins. You know like I love D'Amato's, but I also worked there for three years. When you work at a food place. Oh, it's like. Not a garbage can. Place you took me Markle's Monica and Garin annoy Indian place over there in Avon is really fucking. Let me excellent I remember the day I. Quit Monaco's I was a dishwasher. They're just extra job. And they cheated me like such shit, and they treated their dishwashers like they were fucking sly. They would just come back there and so conditions, and they're doling shit. It's because it's the middle of the rush like that place will be chomping literally. Just fucking wall to wall people. They're coming back here. Throwing dishes and this splashing in my face. They don't even say sorry, and I'm like. These fuckers have no respect for me I've I literally like? UNPLUGGED MY CD player. That's how long ago it was. Plug my people. I'm getting the fuck out of here. The owner didn't even know my name. She saw me every fucking day so when you quit. Did they know you was gong? Dishes getting. I didn't go. I didn't go fuck what they thought. If you. Splash me dirty dishwasher Nata not apologize and fuck that I was I was literally making minimum wage to like was the only reason I was there to have spending money, so I didn't need the job, and they treat me like Shit. I'm like fuck this I'm Outta here. I ordered Domino's the other day, and it had the pizza tracker thing and it showed you like we're the driver. I delivered pizzas for Denardo, and that was the best like if all the jobs I've had. That was like the most fun, because there's no responsibility. Drive around in your car. Listen to music doing whatever you could stop and you know you'd have the D'Amato's thing on. You'd pull in the McDonald's parking lot. Like now they're tracking you every step of the way like you. You can't get away shit anymore. In the in the digital age. It's bullshit. So. That you may get to i. made good money because everybody else wanted to get stoned and go home early, and I was a hard worker and so like. Oh Yeah I'll take that run. I'll take that run so like I. Did you can make good money doing pizza delivery if you're if you're a hustler? Yeah I remember my dad was A. I had seen this like six years ordered a pizza and this. was like yeah I'm not paying for this one. Leg. showed up. Would you open the door one? Did you say was like this pizzas free? That's what I said. I'm not paying for this. Wow was like where the fuck have you been? Not. Not opted pizza delivery man comes in. It has a slice with you. Yeah. I haven't seen him in like six years old, were you? Twenties okay. What did he say? He's like? Hey, son I was like. Up Dan, where the fuck have you been? Let's let's sit down and talk we. We talked. SLICE PIZZA! I wonder if he saw your name on the ticket as I probably should take that one. I never even thought about that, yeah! I don't think he knew I think because I'm pretty sure my roommate about it on his car I don't. I just remember being like. Just blown away. It was like. I will never expected. My Dad had just short but pizza. Pizza and a catch. She WanNa go back. You can't find your baby. Daddy maybe should be ordering. Baby Daddy Pizza. Somebody's coming over. No Open over that's. Notifying. Putting a Yankee defined. New Job. As, a little black Mahmoud! Do Hey pay for day you. Work in bitch how. I knew one guy who was. To? Pay Child support. It was actually Mike is Father to What always could a job time? You put him on child support. Until he got real older and he you know he can Hatton almo. He will literally quid fucking job because he didn't want to pay child support Jeez. Lock you up for that now. They can't. They used to lock them up all the time. It was twenty getting my jail. Put money together to get him out of jail. Every minds the time and that story retail people go have abortions. Unless they pay for. What did I don't pocket? Forget it. He told in San Francisco. I did tell him in San Francisco. was those people call who try to say the from getting the board? The pro-life people pro-life people when they first came out in the nineties. They was car. We thought Blitar. It was crazy, so they will get. They will get locked up and get drug to jail for quality crazy people. Started bombing Bush. At the Bush craning. Say Your Baby, so somehow he blacked business, knowing came gaining their boyfriends out of jail and scheme was. Is he meet a prolife person in jail? Tell him that he girly prints. She's GonNa. Get an abortion and the pro-lifers called headquarters and getting out of jail. To save the baby should. God forgive him. My Baby Daddy got out several times. My friend was dead now, but she was like she got my brother outlets you like. Your brother in jail, what creating a pro-life people and they say? He told me they got a baby on the way. They white people. You don't I call them flower child small. We Yucca County hearbeat. and. They will literally making bail. Only black people saying they trying to say to keys from getting the border I do go sit down. With whose role would you know? My girlfriend will get an abortion. Why meant you know? I can. Come up with his student I. had a fucking stupid life. And I look back and I was like Oh. My God I was such a piece a sheet. To take advantage of people to get a no good piece of sheet out of jail. They didn't do their due diligence their fault, but they didn't do ten percent. They paid the whole fucking bones. So! It was no somebody sign if they will pay the whole fucking bond and you literally got by pro-life people so funny. I imagine on some level like if they taken advantage fine, but then when they pay the whole bond mad, they're probably gullible. Gullible because. You asked. Them are. Going to make another way when you get home, have you ever gone into an abortion clinic? Have you ever? Driven past one every I went to planned parenthood to get an D. test because it was free and I was like I'm GonNa. Go see what it's about because I'm pro-life and I was like all right. Let me see what what it's like inside. In got the test they were. Super Nice. Waited twenty minutes to get my aides results longest twenty minutes of my life AIDS tests is so dumb, but you know you have AIDS when you're waiting for that test. You're just like I'm sure of it. Have you had sex with anybody? Since one thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, five, like bitch I wasn't even live right? No, it's so I was walking out, and all of a sudden tears in heaven started playing as I walked out and I was like this is hilarious, but then you walk out in the waiting room and sad, but now I mean it. was you know it's like one of those things where? Apparently do more than a boy. Right a lot more I think. Those weird people protested outside. Yeah, they weren't there. So what about what about say to claim? Media say to people that you. Say Baby Well. How about say digs? Keep going to long turn into flus. Holes in them. To. Do. I remember when I was in my GD class and This is. One time. Flute. Vertigo fucking up. GD Klay. This girl, they were talking about as right because they were talk about like real life ship, and they said they said everybody stand up, and as we named she chew, sit down. So, they say. You. Know what I did. The whole thing by nights was I'm the WHO was. It was a lady who had? Who had four blown as assumption real, pretty black lady, she came to speak to us, and she was on drugs real bad and she was telling us how store how does she didn't get out how she realize how fucked up? She was until she got locked up and she looked in the mirror. She Got Holy Fuck. Is that me? And so why she was ideal shooting dope or whatever selling pussy, she called as and so she came his pizza. I'll. Look where Federal Work Program Claes, and she's the everybody. STAND UP! Have you had sex from nineteen? SEVENTY FIVE IS A. You know everybody's started to sit down and it will literally one girl standing. To all pretty girl to issue mace and I remember looking up lay between I know. It was like the late nineties. We'll fuck you know. Why are you here? This is what I'm saying to my saying. He whereabouts lay ladies speaking I won't know how to fuck. You Ain't tragedy cow. I'm hopping Garrett every chance. That did. Do for you. Have you got you count the child of horses and she'd Hey. Ice Water by the Jerusalem Man Charlie horses a bitch as you get older. Thought, that was the good old days and I'm like why the fuck are you still stand and she was like. She says she was a virgin and everybody applaud her and I was like you the stupidest. Audi Good Dick Iowa. You even hear you there. Why are you here bid took? That's what I was saying to myself. Who? Why are you ain't giving the policy? So I just remember that I always think about that lady every now and then I wanted to. She die from. The black speaker yet black Spiegel this year. She said I have four blown AIDS and she said. She's telling us she still date she only date. People would aid how who thank God for that and it's a felony if you don't tell people. Back then it was back then. Like holiday transmitted now because my first father brother data's elsom scary sheet. Yeah, I! Remember being a kid in the mid nineties. Terrified. So the road that I drive to get to Miss Pat's house, that's where we listened to the Magic Johnson press conference. So every time I drive them pats I. Think about that because we passed this neighborhood on, you know unhappily road and I'm like. Man, I remember thinking Magic Johnson was GonNa die my. It was over for him. How could he play basketball? And what about the cuts like you know? He's Fine Charlie. Sheen's cured like it's. It's challenging Kerr Yeah like he has like zero, the T. Cell Count or whatever it is, he has like nothing like you need to check on my brother because I had a brother witty. One time, and you don't talk to him. Night my brother. Nine brother-in-law codeine. Okay? Yeah, it's a whole another brother, but. He he gets your phone on media. Times what you do, what you do, so I had to block him and I remember what the number was on blocking. And then he will call you like I. Try to make them beat about. Friendship, but no, he will call me was stupid shit like. Everybody else out a mother nickel dime it Carolina million. I don't fuck about. Cook? Literally call and talk to you like you had. I'm like I don't get it okay. I. Don't call you. My diabetes won't be coming back. I WANNA. Know what your fucking teak CEO County. Say. Healthy. Okay. Just in case, he wasn't sure he will tell me every day with a T. Cell Count Wall. At. Even know how he checked his T. Cell count every day I. don't know if it's like you checking your diabetes possible. He was lying. He was a diesel counseling. You know he called me and my other brother says same thing. Did he call you? Somebody Teaser I. Don't know why he about t CEO. Then He. He was he's never taught medication for years and went on medication probably I. WanNa say four or five years ago, she. My uses strong here Jake I. Don't Medication David Armstrong I'm like. What are you say to I? Don't want to be Rou- I. Don't WanNa say what minor thing in new. Does she. You hit by balls cows. You'RE GONNA die regards okay. So I just blocked. Through Anyway. Because I got tired of him. It Camp I got tired of hearing my own in about. You know what I'm saying and city so irreversible. Now Ed's my sending me out new girlfriend lezama brother, say Marlboro, he getting beat up at trains, anybody other girls. I don't fucking know so now. I just. Got A block because you call too many times they you'll never calming because Meka. You already call me thirteen today. Macao. What am I going to say? You got it that me if I. Know you're crazy. SOMMA bitch. Where my Toyoko! FUCKING CRAZY! I'm telling my brother's crazy, so then I bought my other brother. Because biracial brother didn't you learn how to do group takes, and would you put everybody your phone? Text me and everyone who who who? I say I ACTU- to stop. PA- Mini Group tests. You Stoop Osama bin. Blocked him. Literally blocked. I don't blame you because he wouldn't stop me in group says. You ask them how to get him out. He Act like he can't do one. Without group takes air by phone. I think it's funny. How group texts is supposed to make your life easier and everybody hates it. And the worst is if it's at work and at your boss. And you can't say Shit because it's your boss, you know. This is be you'd be the only person in the group texts that don't need none of the fucking messages. Like I don't need to hear any of this. None of this ship pertains to. It's the worst Yup I just decided. I block him, so I haven't heard from him either and whatever we're going to wrap it up and we have in. George Gas look forward to seeing. What I suppose say! Thank you for listening to another episode of the PAT. Down we truly truly appreciate you guys. Thank. You all so much for tuning into another episode of the Pat Down Make sure you check out my website at Ms Pat. Comedy Dot Com for all of my social media. My tour dates my book. Make sure you spread the word about my pug. As please rate every veep, please rate and review a share sake alabi Ms Pat.

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Tuesday, February 11th, 2020

Gemini Today

02:28 min | 10 months ago

Tuesday, February 11th, 2020

"Good Morning Jim I. Today is Tuesday February Eleventh Two Thousand Twenty Jupiter Saturn and Pluto continue to create a heavy hitting Stellian Capricorn. More than a place home is feeling find ways of fostering this warm embrace this his Gemini today a podcast original Let's begin your day moving through Vertigo and your fourth house of home and hearth the moon finds harmony with a stallion capricorn. enduranace in Torres. This fosters a sense of stability in hibernation. It's an excellent time to feel cozy rest list and focus on your private life invest in your Nest Gemini. You deserve a beautiful place to hang your hat. Now take a moment to reflect on your relationships. Mars and Sagittarius in Your House of partnership brings excitement excitement to your relationships. A Fun night of socializing in store. You may not feel ready to hit the town so consider inviting your inner circle over over for dinner or a movie. You'll enjoy opening your home to the people you hold most dear. Consider the work acute do and your career Mercury traverses your tenth house of Prestige providing the necessary motivation to achieve your goals. Does this transit find harmony with expansive Jupiter. Asking you to think a little bigger in terms of what you can accomplish dare to think of what you could do if you really pushed yourself Gemini. Today is a daily podcast and follow on spotify to make part of your morning routine if you're interested in learning more about your sign. Download the sanctuary APP from the apple lab store or on Google play and follow sanctuary it sanctuary world on instagram. That's essay in C.. T. U. A. R. Y. why W. R. L. D. Horoscope today is a podcast original.

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214: THE POWER OF REST AND HOW TO ACCOMPLISH THE MOST DURING A PANDEMIC

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40:20 min | 6 months ago

214: THE POWER OF REST AND HOW TO ACCOMPLISH THE MOST DURING A PANDEMIC

"Welcome to the happy workaholic. Podcast I'm your host. Kellyanne Gorman over the past twenty years I've worked in beauty luxury corporate and service driven industries. I created the opportunity and these careers and in my own businesses that allow me to travel the world experience once in a lifetime events and build brands while providing my expertise to clients all around the globe. Life is short. And when you're given a second chance you better believe I'm going to take it. Celebrate it and share it with you. This show is intended to elevate your mind upgrade your business enhance your life and become part of a positive and uplifting community. If you're ready to take your business in life to that next level you deserve to be at. This is the show for you inspiration. Motivation and determination are what got me to wearing them today tune in every week to hear for myself other entrepreneurs professional patients small business owners and fellow podcasters who will be featured on the show. I'm here to remind you to work hard. Share your story. Follow your dreams and never ever give up. Thanks for taking the time to subscribe to the Happy Workaholic. Podcast today's episode starts now Hello Hello and welcome back to brand new show. Happy Friday I have the windows open. It's very early seven something. I have the candles going. I just had. I sat like my whole morning vibe situation. That's just like what keeps these saying Jerky my delicious ice coffee. Because we all know I can't survive without that however I did switch it up a little bit today. I did unsweetened almond milk without the vanilla which I normally do and I'm using Vanilla Stevia from sprouts which is a store here in California. I am obsessed with if you guys live in California and have a sprouts. They have the least expensive. And the best quality in my opinion organic produce but anyway community share with you is So I didn't episode on Self Care and my vertigo and all of that but I actually emerging into this episode for you so I WanNa talk to you about you know. I'm talking to a lot of clients and I'm talking to a lot of friends and I noticed it with myself like we're just trying to do the most throughout this pandemic at this point and you know in the beginning with the world was GONNA end we're stockpiling and then you were scared and I mean I'm just really cheering you how I felt And then you know. We realized like the world's not going to end so now we try to get back to a quote unquote normal life right now. We realize like we don't want to leave this pandemic without getting shit done and so for me. I'm trying to get a lot done but we still have to take time for ourselves and still do self care and all of these things so I want to share with you. What happened to me two weeks ago and then things that I'm doing now that I'm going to look back and be so proud of myself. An ice adjusts. You do the same if you start. Haven't started already so two weeks ago. Today I recorded a show. I had therapy which you do every Friday and I was prepping my I think my juices something or a super fire. Something and I was in the kitchen. That's my happy place. An out of nowhere. I Got Vertigo. And it was so awful. I almost got sick in the sink. I had to immediately come to my bed. I googled a vertigo meditation. I Dunno I can think of that word because it's all I do every day Not all day but a lot and I actually was in bed for like almost four hours. You guys it was awful and I hadn't had vertigo like that in a really long time and this vertigo. Meditation really worked. I posted it all over my social media so if anybody thought I hope it helped if you give her to go of never really had to do that when I give Vertigo. I have to sit up or be at a ninety degree angle on my left side. Only I can't look to the right. I can't be on my right side. Nothing can be on the right because it's the left ear. That is giving me the problems so and I get it for a number of reasons. So stress is one detoxing from a lot of meds still from last shares. Another and salt. But the reason. Excuse me I know I got it. That week was because I've been working really hard on my legal cases. And that stresses me at fount sometimes this week it didn't because I had a shift in my mindset. It's like I have allergies. I'm losing my voice. Sorry and it's just a it's just so annoying at this point so I'll get into a little bit of that later however. The Vertigo was so rough so I just was like nauseous. I was in bed for like I said like. I like three or four hours this vertigo meditation on replay. It was on repeat rather it was about an hour so and I just couldn't move and I've already spoken about how this whole pandemic in in the beginning how it was stuck at home. I couldn't go anywhere. I felt like I was sick again. Like all these triggers were happening and I have a lot of. Ptsd and trauma. I'm working through from being misdiagnosed. So that was like really rough like I couldn't sleep for months. I Was just so like stress. Ow and anxious and I was having panic attacks a lot and now. I'm a completely different person. I now have this sleep elixir. That's all natural actually slept every night solid for a week now and it's insane like how much better I feel like a human again. I literally haven't slept like proper sleep. This whole pandemic since it started until last week which is not so if you guys are having trouble sleeping and you're looking for some natural remedies. Let me know because I have a friend and creating all these skincare products that are all organic and there's herbs and I have elixirs and I've talked a lot about it on my instagram stories. And they're amazing and it's literally the only thing that helped I just put it in another order for like eight bottles four of my friends so let me now. I can't use Melatonin because when you have a thyroid issue. It actually cuts your thyroid meds in half and I found that out like ten twelve years ago when I saw an endocrinologist for my thyroid and we couldn't figure out why meds were working and down the road. We realized after Doing labs and all that he asked me. Is there any chance like you take Melatonin? And I'm like yeah take it every night. He's like Oh my God. Let's threes so now. I know I can't take malt on it. So the whole point of this episode is to share with you. How you need to accomplish things but also the same time. Take time for yourself with a ton of self care and by that. I mean just being still so back to my story so I had vertigo on the Friday and then Saturday it was like it was like a blur like. I just had to rest. I mean I took a shower and that was a lot my body like Kurt and it was just telling me like you cannot do anything. I didn't even go outside so a shower. That was the bonus and then Sunday. I didn't go outside either. And you know I'm the Queen of let's get fresh air. I always have my window open in my room which probably one clearing my throat. It's there's a tree outside of forget what it is but every now and then I sound like a Cigar. Smoking man because cheese. Excuse me so that Sunday. I was still home. I hung out with my remain an Monday. I took a shower. Got Ready the hell out of the house because it was like to loosen. But that whole time I was still. I literally binged a bunch of shows in that whole entire weekend which I'm gonNA share because you know I love to share the show in watching in also really need to get back into my books. Does that something? I'M GONNA look back on and say I had all the time and I didn't read those books. I'm up drinking wine but I don't read the book so that's really something that want to work on for myself because I really don't want to look back and say I can't believe it into that throughout this whole time right so I was just still and I'm the queen of Self Care. I do the hair masks. The face masks. I do all that stuff but when you need to take time to be alone like learning how to spend time alone like the importance of spending time alone and just being still is very difficult. I can tell you and when I was sick and I was in bed I had no choice. Now is like all these drugs so they were making me crazy and I was You know in another mind frame or now I just wake up like Oh my God I wake up. I can conquer the world like that's literally how I feel of your day and I just had to rest. My body was just exhaust. Said that Vertigo threw me for a loop and then I was like this can't happen. I can't be stressed to the point where I'm out for three days and Greenwich. I run a business. They can work from my bed. 'cause I've done that for a long time when I was sick and I'm so grateful that I have that I've created that opportunity which I'm going to talk to you about in a little bit how you can create yours. But I'm very lucky I get to do that and luckily that weekend. I didn't have work I had to do. I had a crazy busy week. It all out and then usually on Sundays. I like to get ahead of myself especially now because I have a lot of shows. I'm working on so I was just still and I felt so different after that like I think I needed that to be like slow your roll do nothing you just need to rest and I know it's hard to hear this especially if you're running around and you have kids in your home schooling and it's like madness but a lot of my friends have children and I'm telling you if you don't take the time for yourself. I should not going to be your best that you can for your kids. It's just common sense. You have to get earlier. Even if it's fifteen minutes meditate you will feel so much better and my friends do this. And my clients do this. Tell me you know it just makes sense and so now I want to tell you Share with you rather the shows that I binged because they're really good and also one. I'm on now one. I'm working on right now because this show wouldn't be right if I didn't share like what I was watching people. Ask the author time so one of my Shows I watched was dead to macy's into it had come out that weekend and our that week maybe Thursday Friday forget and I watched the whole season to you. Know when you get to the end of the season and you're like how is it going to be another season three? Like what else can they do to like? Bring the show back. And then the last episodes Last episode happened and then I realized Oh my God. I can't wait for season three. So if you guys are watching that let me know because it's so good and you're like Oh my God seriously like the last episode always a cliffhanger of course so. I'm pretty sure season three is happening another Another show rather I watched on Amazon is called upload. And it's all a I and they get uploaded to a digital world which is there heaven and it was very interesting and I've binged that Over the week that weekend as well. It's so good. It's on Amazon prime. And then I watched Never have I ever. That was really good on net flicks debt to me is also a net flicks and then What else I watched this Show on Hulu that is. Abc called the baker and the beauty. And it's Super Q. It's almost like a like R. rated hallmark movie like a romantic comedy kind of thing. It's really good. They filmed it in Puerto. Rico it's based You know the show is supposed to be based in Little Havana in Miami. And then it made me. Miss my Miami life from years ago. I'm like I really Miss Miami. Even though everything there was in Puerto Rico. They cut a lot of stuff out. But you can kind of tell if you've been to both so that was really good and Now a show marching is sweet magnolias. On netflix's it's so cute. I think I'm on episode four five. I think episode four. There's probably like eight or ten and then you guys after that like I really need to get to my books because I have a bunch of. I don't know what books you're reading but I really WANNA finish everything is figure out by Murray. Forleo REALLY WANNA finish you are bettas making money by Jensen Shero and then have these warrior goddess books that a friend of mine got me at my books are now and I really need to read them because like I said I'm going to look back at this pandemic and be so annoyed with myself because that's one of my goals so that's the first part of today's show. I wanted to share with you the importance of sitting down and being still an a recap of what I do for self care and that to me now is just being still and it does wonders being still having time alone and getting sleep has lake changed my life and when I say like being alone always alone I mean I have a roommate but like I'm in my zone she's in Arizona like I'm alive I don't go see my friends and right now not seeing any of my friends that are here so being alone is like being alone with your thoughts like journaling things out meditating breathing maybe if you wanna do a sound bath. I'm doing a lot of those now and I'm going to sleep with them and it's insane. I'm out cold within like two minutes so really taking the time to be attentive till like your own self. You know if you WANNA meditate more if you want to journal things out more just be alone with like your thoughts you know. Lock yourself in a closet. I have clients that record their podcast in their car and in their closet right now because their kids are home and it works and they sound great and Michael has become my recording studio. I'm actually sitting in bed right now. But which is I hear the birds that windows wide open but normally I go in the closet but I hear people underneath me and we're on the top floor and I can hear them in the hallway and then underneath me one in my closet and it's early so someone's a here them and it was like echoing so figured you guys would enjoy the background of the birds instead. So you know keep daydreaming keep journaling visualizing things but more importantly take the time to rest and be still and be with your thoughts and be alone like literally alone with like what you're thinking and write it down. I'm sharing these things with you because they help for me guarantee. They're going to help you now during this pandemic of goals right like I mentioned earlier. We at first were freaked out. Then we realized we have a new world. Now we want to like get tasks done do all the projects I mean. You've seen it everywhere. Everybody online is Doing other DIY is their life hacks getting organized like all the stuff right so when it comes to business are things that you're working on had so many people ask me about business like I really want to start a business now. What kind of business should I do? And my first question is what he wanted to do. I would never do anything I didn't want to do. What is the point? If you're not waking up being grateful and excited about what it is you do. Don't just do it for the money you can. But you're not going to be happy. Maybe the money will bring you happiness. But why do you WanNa wake up and do something? If you just left a job or you're laid off and now you have an opportunity to start something of your own. That doesn't I'M GONNA steal us from What's her name? Marie condo bring you joy. You need to be happy about what you're doing. You need to take the time to do your research to figure out like. Is this the type of business I WANNA do or do I want to do Something completely different than I've never tried before if you ask any entrepreneur. They've always started a business that didn't work. Something has failed and that is what makes us better and stronger entrepreneurs because we take the lessons that we've learned from those businesses or brands are projects of whatever it is that we're working on and move it to the next and make it better or discontinued that figure it out. That's the whole thing about entrepreneurship is you've got to always be on your toes and be able to figure shit out. That is how you get to where you WANNA go. Excuse me so my advice to you when you're doing the most route this pandemic when he wanted the most is right down your goals every single thing. I want I write down. I visualize it. It's written and I ended up crossing that off. You know you see all these things where everybody has their vision boards and everything comes true when you start visualize things more when you for me. Personally I write it down. I've been wanting to be on another podcast for a while and I was waiting for my new media kit to be updated so I had the name on the list and guess what they contacted me before I contacted them and something else I wanted to do through this pandemic because I had a goal of doing a speech two months ago and that didn't work out obviously so now I am looking to speak at other events like really large event so I've pitched myself to to. That's crossed off the list and staring right at it. I've written it down. I've written down the title of my speech. What I want you to take away from it and so much more so when you write things down they become more of a reality for me especially like every single thing. I've ever in down every single thing I want. I read it down and it's on my wall so that I can see their little. I have posted calendars. I've many lists to be you and your damn less. Listen I've list for everything? And that she gets crossed off whether it's going to the grocery store or manifesting what the Hell I want out of my business in my life. I crossed it off. And if you've only on instagram stories you know exactly what my office looks like because I post it all the time with all my boards. All my calendars all my post lake. Literally everything there so if you need some kind of system just you know go on. Pinterest get inspiration. You can look at my instagram stories. Just do whatever works best for you but right your goals down so for me throughout this crazy pandemic. I would like to be done with my legal case. I would like to be done with my medical product although I have to push that if the cases in done and then I would like to. I'm really working on my credit. I would like the best credit score possible. That's many life goal and then also read these two books just to. That's my only goal is just to get through these two books and some writing them down so everyday. I have to work towards that so with my legal case every single day. It's written in my planner that every single day I contact them with my medical product. I'm continuously doing research and working on the product on my credit. I'm always looking at my credit score and all those I use credit sesame entrance and there's another one I use and it's constantly helping Me Bells because of invested in these loans. That help build your credit and all this stuff so. I'm working towards that every day. The books however are different situation like I need to get on the book trade especially because everybody I see is boasting their books. And I'm like why are I reading my damn book so literally right next to my bed so I'm running everything down when it comes time to maybe you are somebody that's looking to maybe launch a blog or a business or do something brand new because everything has shifted right now so many put people in companies like everyone's working from home and is going to continue that way like I'm sure you've heard the news and seen everything mind it makes more sense like people are getting worked on being at home so like why would that change. Companies saving money and insurance money and like so much more by having employees. Work from home isn't making us crazy because we have like five thousand. Jim Calls every day. Yeah probably but it's something to be as crazy because that's going to be the new normal and then we can set new guidelines and put more things it's a place that will work better for all of us right so knowing your worth and knowing how to create incredible opportunities for yourself are very very important. I've had so many people you know. I didn't episode on this the other day about free consultations I see so many coaches online. They give away thirty sixty minutes of their time. Why are you doing that? Fifteen minutes is okay but no-one gets me on the phone unless they pay and my time is worth a lot of energy and money and when I get on a call. Perspective client call. If they're serious they don't have a problem paying for my call because that money goes towards a program so at the end of the day. It's not an additional cost. It's like a little deposit but when I start implemented when I started doing that with anybody you know some didn't WanNa pay and I'm like okay. Well it's totally fine with me. I completely understand everything you need is on my website so just take more time into your research. That's my biggest pet peeve when people don't research they did another episode on that about pitching like you really need to do research when it comes to anytime business and when that happens you will really be one step ahead of the game. You need to take the time to do that now. Knowing you're worth how much are you worth? What is your time were well. Would you like to waste thirty or sixty minutes on our free call when you're paying a babysitter you know and the our new world. You could do that or somebody to watch your kids. You just wasted that money paying a babysitter and then you didn't close out sales call so do you see what I'm saying like it just doesn't work out. You should have had them do everything that they needed in regards to research and messaging them and letting them know then closed the deal. When you're on the call that just makes complete sense so you need to really value your own time. I have a very strict schedule where I only get on the phone whether it's With you know conference calls or recordings it's two days a week Wednesday Thursday. That's it all other clients that I deal with. Every other day is fine because they're already but no one will get me on the phone other than a Wednesday or Thursday with the exception of like certain things that cannot be rescheduled like. I'm doing a big Billington training for a client and her entire sales team. And actually yeah. We did end up moving that to Wednesday so that still Wednesday but I was going to do it early Tuesday morning for her. So certain things like you can't move scheduling. That's fine but other than that. I have a very strict schedule. I have one like to book my calls. You can then pay and then get me on the phone and that's just something that you should. That's just an example of knowing you're worth like it just doesn't make sense for me to get on a call with somebody and over everything that's available on my website. It's the same thing in that. Our could have produced a show. I could have written a new medium blog post I. Could've you know prepped. About the bachelor of soup like that should really important to me so I waste one hour of my day. I'm not happy it's really annoying. So you have to be really strict with your own time and then again that really goes back to you. Know spending to loan with your own thoughts and figuring out like where do I want to go after this pandemic what do I want accomplish? There are all this. You need to write it down. You need to know your worth. Now how do you create that incredible opportunity again doing research if you want say move until like retail arbitrage on Amazon something? You've never even heard of something. He think that it'd be really good at. It's like pending business. It's like doing rebrand. Try something new what you have to lose. I mean don't invest a TON OF MONEY. But if you don't try it you never know if it's GonNa Work Rinat every single career every single job if had created that opportunity. I wanted to do makeup on. Kerr ships didn't exist. I created that program. I wanted to work on a certain number of yachts and jets. And I did that. I wanted to create a certain number of podcasts. Which was twenty. I'm almost there I wanted to You know create these luxury experiences for private jet owners and charter gas to walk off their plate inexperience when they were in Las Vegas. I did thirty to thirty two of those thirty two hundred thirty two. I created that I did my research for example who I needed to speak to. Who is the head Honcho at? Every you know whether it was When or encore or blood Yo Oreo. Whatever the destination or even hired retailers as I was doing something wish it was doing something with all these other experiences in Vegas I got on linked in I research to they were. I got their connection requests and then I would send them a message and I would tell them like look. This is what I'm looking to do. Can we meet for coffee? Can I buy you a coffee or tea and can I discuss this with you? And if it's not for you like who can I speak to in your department that I created all these experiences? There's no other way that you could have gotten it done. And the reason why did that is because it didn't exist. I am the queen of Creating Shit doesn't exist or needs to exist. Because why wouldn't you you know some don't like a really good friend of mine She's very operational undermined. And I'm very like I want to create all day. I can't deal. What the OPS par although I do because as part of my business but my number one thing is like wake up and I want to create something new like all the time whether it's new time money new recipe like just always been like that my whole life so in order for you to create incredible opportunities. You need to do research whatever. It is sit down. Write it down again manifest it. You know visualize happening. This is what I did the whole time. Setting a chemo chair. Just bring me back to San Diego. I WanNa be by the beach. I will listen to ocean waves on an APP the whole time and here. I am living that life and tell people that all the time and at the time didn't realize I was doing it and now looking back and I'm like all I wanted to do was just live by the ocean again and he'll my body and here. I am doing the exact thing. So that's why come down to you. Know writing everything down because once you put it on paper. Birds like instilled in your brain and then it really helps you to another level. Visualize it like you can really start seeing things. When they're in front of you suggested research and write down like what goals are. Who Do you want to contact? How are we going to get this done? Maybe you want to create a business plan. Maybe you WANNA create a marketing plan. You know look at the social media handles look at the DOT. Com is creating with names is like the hardest. I have clients that are still trying to come up with podcast. Titles for their show and as soon as a good one comes the DOT com stake in. So that's something I always suggest is whatever you whenever you think of an amazing idea. Go to go daddy. And by the DOT com you can get it for literally ninety nine cents for the first year and it just you never know. I have so many actually know quite a few people that were flipping domains. One Dot Vegas came out. Everybody was buying those domains and they would flip them. They would sell them. They buy them for a hundred bucks and sell them for like two fifty. It was nuts so you can always I mean I have some domains for sale because about so many over the last decade that you can actually sell your domains flipping process so Well that's another process but you can definitely sell your domains if you invest in. Then you don't want it you never know who's GonNa come along one it so it's basically like when you go to go daddy or whatever you wherever you buy your domains from or have seen other people by their domains from and that domain unavailable and there's a big price side that's why especially or it's like a really common name. People are selling domain. So you just need to really focus on yourself first and foremost in order to be successful at moving towards a business or you know doing a rebrand or starting something new or just even the research that part takes so much time and energy and you really need to spend the most time doing the research because what if maybe you find something along the way you're like I don't think I'm GonNa WanNa do that anymore. So that's another reason why you know. Obviously research competitions see. What else is out there? Seve maybe you can even partner up with somebody and then when you are sharing I mean sorry starting something new business. The first thing people do is they look at your story. So this is the important that I've said this a million times of Schering your story the power sharing your story and being able to help just one other person will make you feel like the most amazing person on the planet. You are helping others feel better about themselves. This is why I'm obsessed with creating shows for other women and men because they now have this platform to share their story to share their dreams their business their real life and real like sometimes real time. 'cause they're doing. It live as well but I get to help other people do that. That's something that didn't exist when I launched it. Now there's all these like podcast producers podcast ex-coach's but you know the other day I was talking to somebody and I do so much more. And it's hard to explain when somebody asks me or seventy comes to me you know. They asked me a couple of questions and like she just produced. I'm like oh no. This is like a complete turn. Free Service like I back and forth with clients so many times when we are perfecting their scripts for intro out on the show description. When I write show notes I send them to clients approval. I go above and beyond always because that's just who I am as a person. I'm obsessed with providing late the best service I can but I'm doing what I love. I'm writing like for me some days. I have to write and then some days I have to record. And then the next after produce. I can't do it all in one day. I'm trying not to last week and this week a couple of times I did have do and it's difficult for me. I get through it but I'd much rather have a whole day where I can create and write another days just recording. Another day is just producing. But sometimes I have to two days of producing because I have a lot of shows and I have to break up things in between My conference calls or like my was a Thursday recordings and calls so really figuring out your own lake rhythm schedule that something else. I'd really recommend Knowing how you work like how is my brain going to be at it best today so sometimes when I have really long day of producing. It's rough I wake up energizer ready to go and then I'm like deep breath. This is going to be a really long day. I have to take breaks because my eyes like I just can't be staring at the screen for like ten twelve hours. You know so going back to like sharing your story. I mean this is how my whole show started. This is how my brand started. Everything I do in my business was me sharing my story and if you are somebody that has a story to tell you need to tell it an everybody has a story and maybe it's time to tell your story. Maybe you need to take the time now and write about ready to journal write a blog right. Everything private really. Just get it out of your mind and get it on paper. You never know what's GonNa Happen by sharing your story just less than I was doing a new sound bath. Meditation and I was curious If she was on instagram. Because I couldn't see it. There's multiple pages in the APPS. And so I just put her name an instagram. Because they couldn't find icon so I found her and then she had this crazy story. And I'm like Oh my God I need to have her on my show because this for holistic healers the professional patient and Song pitcher today. I'm like you need to share your story with my audience like you guys are going to be so inspired by her and her sound off. Healing is absolutely incredible as well. My client actually told me about this APP. It's called Allah Moves Aloe Yoga A. L. O. And it's twenty bucks a month and they have like meditations and a ton of Yoga. But I was going on there for the sound bath because she said she was out cold and now that I'm doing it I'm out cold. It's just something about got aren't even know is absolutely incredible. Talked to a couple of people and they've done a sound bath in person and some get anxious some cry some get really hot some get really irritable like it's really different when you're trying to heal what happens throughout that process. I can tell you a whole `nother show worth of that but it just crazy so again. She's sharing her story. There is another. Oh my God it's just crazy like the amount of people who have contacted me like if it wasn't for sharing your story you know I wouldn't have done x Y and Z or even like medically not medical expert but when I say how to organize your records and people actually go do that. It's just like a whole nother world guys so I want you to just really right down here mangles of this pandemic like what do you want to say? Oh my God you know what I did. That pandemic I read X. amount of books I got X. AMOUNT OF CLIENTS. I cleaned x amount of rooms. And you know donated a lot of stuff cleaned up my house organizer garage. I want you to come out of this looking back saying I did that until that's what I'm working on personally so I wanted to share with you guys because it will really help and then after you write down the things like that you want to work on better. Pick three goals that you have to accomplish and then are they going to make you happy? Are they going to make you money? Are they going to help you? You know in a business or to help. Support your family or you know. Just write it down. I'm telling you everything I've written down over. The last couple of months has become a reality. So that's just a prime example and then going back to your time if you need time hiding your closet if you need time. Take a bubble bath if you need time. Sit in your car. Gopher drive put the windows down screamed. Blast your music. Whatever it is you need to do take the time to be alone with yourself and your own thoughts too so that you guys. Can you can figure out what it is that you want you know so. Many people have spent all this time reflecting about our past lives. Our Future lives how we want to become a better person how we want to become you know. Less chaotic running rundown person. Now is the time to figure that out. Because it's GonNa be I mean I I'm not going to say going back to normal. Like what is our new normal. We don't even know that yet but when the time comes when we go there and we can look back. I promise you you're gonNa feel so good about yourself because you are going to look at those lists that you wrote down and they're all waiting to check marks in our lines through them because you've accomplished them so I figure out a schedule. Do your research spend time with yourself and know your worth and know that you can accomplish anything that it is that you want in your life or your business because I have if I can you can so I wanted to just kind of merge these two shows together and share with you guys like the importance of spending time alone and then what. Michael's are and how I'm doing the most and when you are doing the most sometimes you also need to step it back a little bit like. Don't go crazy with everything you're trying to accomplish block it out in time so however you work best either wake up earlier before your kids or work late night or just time blocking between figure out what's working for you so that you can be the best for yourself and your friends and your families and your children and I just hope that you guys take A couple points away from the show because just sharing with you. What's working with me and it's just crazy to see like I keep crossing off all these things on my list and I'm like Oh my God you need to add more and more and it just feels really good and I've just made a lot of changes in my life like trout this pandemic that I really wanted to share and then things that I knew I headed to do and then shows I know I had to binge because if I can do it you guys can do it. I promise you like that's the whole point of the show. 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Ep 437 - Y: The Last Man (by Brian K. Vaughan, Pia Guerra, et al)

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Ep 437 - Y: The Last Man (by Brian K. Vaughan, Pia Guerra, et al)

"This is a head gum podcast. While Andrew and Craig believed the joy of discovery is crucial to enjoying any well told tale. They will not shy away from spoiling specific story beats when necessary plus these are books you should have read by now. Everybody welcome to Overdo it's a podcast about the books you've been meaning to read was Craig Andrew Andrew I have a question for you. Is. Why the last man. Why the last man why the last man? Why? Why Comma the last man why the last man? Why the last dance why the last man? Welcome to our podcast I know last man. Why the last and we wear a Book podcast where each week we talk a book that we have not read before we tell the other person about it and you get to listen along at home or wherever you take your podcasts. That's it. That's what I got. Andrew. What book did you read this week I read y the last man why the last man? Why the last man is A. A I don't know how I'm supposed to. I think like why the last demand? Yes. Caresse flat intonation, his whole him yeah. Is a sixty issue graphic novel well, it's graphic novel was just comic books and then they bound a bunch of them together to make it into graphic novel. Ran As sixty issues by published by Vertigo from the year two, thousand and two to two, thousand, eight it was written by Brian. K. Vaughan and. Illustrated, primarily by Gera though there are a bunch of like colorist and other people who worked on this book. Yeah. To Primary folks I saw get put on other covers our Gordon Suzuka and Paul Chadwick, but I know so that's that is cover. Really from the the work of just like inking and coloring the pages. There's a credits thing on the last page of the thing that has like guerrouaz the pencil or. I read everybody's signatures. The. Fridge is a colorist letter with a messy signature lot different. Different. Editors and all kinds of stuff. So. Yeah. We won't probably talk about all the authors of the thing. The way that we normally do, but the people who are credited on the covers of. These are Bryan Cave on Gera freight. What is your like? Prior relationship with this book, I Guess My Association with this book is late two thousands. I got my driver's license after college and I was driving around after college despite not letting meat he's you drive war perhaps many. Fairs. Driving through the Philly suburbs listening to podcasts that I had recently gotten into in some nerd podcasts. Someone wrote an email that was like what graphic novels are you into I already know about the tests and then this one was on that list. This was you know probably nine or twenty ten. So like right after why the last man had completely wrapped I suppose, yeah my I mean my questions how you found podcast so many years before cereal invented podcast it's true before cereal and overdue I have no idea what I was listening to. I used an ipod an actual ipod. The literal podcasts. So how did you know about this book because I think with this ended up on our list because it was something you were eager to cover well. So Suzanne ahead read it. Okay. Years ago, and I had not read it but then she got me the first one for like as Christmas gifts like on the last one, the first one not the no the first one why the last man but the first issue. Sir. And I had not read it and I was you know because it's September I was getting to where I was feeling bad about not having. Used or enjoyed my Christmas gift at all because there's this is hard to do extra curricular readings since all my extracurricular reading for this podcast that we do. All reading. So I figured throwing it on the list would would enable me to read it and that it did crag that it did. Okay but you you didn't really have a sense of what it was except for the title no I only knew why the last man Gr. Man. What do we know about this series? It was published from two thousand and two to two, thousand eight. As you said by Vertigo said that it received three knowledge in that. You already said that you don't feel. Agressive. Feel. Like we need to make this podcast more of like a contest to see who could say the most facts the fastest. Oh my gosh. It received three Eisner Awards. It was involved in some late arts film development nonsense during the strike. I have some a hit me. Just general. Facts. The film rights were bought in two thousand seven by new line cinema, which seems like it was. kind of everybody's trying to make all the movies back then. Yes. But just many many many script problems over many many years kept it from being made, and then the film rights reverted back to. von Garra in like the mid twenty, some time there has been TV adaptation. First announced in October of two, thousand, fifteen by it's. And it's also been cannon delayed of under times So they had cast it but the original. Male lead left. They had a show runner. person laughed. But they had recast the main role in February of twenty twenty just before. TV stopped. Yes I know it is still in active development and it's still a going concern. But Yeah I don't know what it is about this thing that whereas resisting being enacted the way it is I think it makes it makes much more sense for TV. This era of TV than it does as a movie just because there's so much of it. Yes. I think yeah. Not that I necessarily think you need to adapt every frame of this thing to to tell a good story but. but yeah, it's it's just it's it's never been adapted and I don't know what to make one of the notes I saw about the film's was they were looking at Shiloh above and they're like, no, this is too similar to his character in the transformers. We can't really says something about exactly when they were trying to film also. And something about the TV thing is interesting. So it will come back to that. I, WanNa talk about von. Real. Quick. He was born in the seventies and Ohio he studied at Nyu Tisch? In the film pro as friends. Yes. and. He. Started getting comics credits in the mid nineties starting with marvel. They had us a program called the Stan Hatton. Project. Andrew. In nine hundred ninety five guys named Stan Hatton. No is Stanley. But in. Manhattan. Manhattan project do you need me to explain? I remind you. HATTON's. And he wrote on a bunch of different. Comics and then found his way to making this with Vertigo in two thousand two and he's turned out a lot of original comics of his own since. DC though. Isn't it. Is. It I'm pretty sure. It goes DC. Well most commerce writers do both I get why he betrayed marvel don't think that's how that works. I don't think. They've done crossover events. Haven't they think you gotta be all in on one or the other all right. Well, Batman. Right US right in and tell us how it works. It's Batman his other books include a pride of Baghdad, which is about a pride of lions escaping from an Iraqi zoo. X. Machi one feels like he had the title first thing work backwards to what was that feels a little contrived to me. People said, it was moving into fifty I'm sure that it is but okay, fine He wrote a book called X. Mocking of about a superhero turned politician for many years. Now he's been working on saga with a very popular space opera he's been writing with Fiona, staples other. Is Not, related to video game series. No not at all okay Geoghegan. Private. Eye Paper Girls we stand on guard but that's just. Not just but that is his comic work. He was also hired based on y the last man. To, work on lost seasons three through five. That would explain certain things about why the last night. Maybe, maybe it explained certain things about loss I don't know I. didn't watch much loss multiple like reviews and reflections on this series actually drew comparisons to his work on lost and lost in general with this book as like a good and bad thing like things that maybe were about the characters and like not a plot that you can sustain for as long as you're working on it the feeling that you had when you're like reading it month to month or watching it week to week versus when you dislike. Like download loss to season two into your brain. You're like what just happened in like a day And then he also went on to work as the showrunner producer of for at least the first season of that. Stephen. King adaptation under the Dome. So. Yeah. He got he got into TV based on this thing which is Kinda cool. Not you think there are. Twenty four other comic projects start with different letters, kind of a Sufiane Stevens sort comic book out. Alphabet project. and. This is just the one that really took off. Did you find evidence to support that theory I did not but if I were him and I hadn't done that work that I promised to do like Sufian I would never WanNa talk about it ever. which is by by read. Fiance up to the. There was an interview with him like a week ago where he's like, I'm never doing that stop. Because someone asked him for the billion time. He most of the interviews I did with him. We're kind of about the close of this series. So I'm not eager to dive into those just yet but does that he was you know about. Writing the benefits of writing an independent story versus working on existing comic book characters like what you can do with finality and you know death or change or irreversible plotlines and things. which is what has attracted him to keep working on independent projects that he has created. As opposed to doubling down on. Working, for one of the bigger outfits with one of a well known character. Yeah. Right. You wouldn't WanNa do like why the last Batman? I would I don't think he would. So Gara- was born in hoboken is a Canadian. Citizen I believe daughter of a musician from Chile. A mother from Finland best known for Weisman that was like her breakthrough work just a lot of politically oriented stuff now, right? Yeah. She does. So she got into comics when she was young thanks to a cool cousin that she has said was into Bruce Lee and kiss and was cool as hell plus he looked Ralph maccioni. And he got her into the x men and kind of her life never you know was the same Cuthbert. Yeah well. And you know she wasn't sure what career she was going to go into but she was always drawing things and working on art never really studied formerly for it. She was doing like commercial storyboards and then she was doing game manual art for like vampire the masquerade books in the late nineties. Okay. And based on some of that work that she'd been doing I. Guess you know she got hooked up with Vaughn for this one they had connected via email forever meeting in person and got into this. But yeah, the last you know. Five or six years of her career if not before then because she was doing this when she was in high school, she's been drawing a lot of political kind of cartoons and visual art and stuff One that folks might recognize was drawing twenty eighteen. It's called Hero's welcome and it was depicting. The coat of believe his name's Aaron fees who was killed in the Parkland shooting and it was like shared around as you know him being welcomed into the afterlife and a lot of folks you know latched onto that as as where they wanted to place their emotions they're on I think she did some around Emma Gonzalez in her work. She also did that one that I did not know that this was her that one of trump sitting on Steve Bannon like he was a little boy. and Steve Bannon was pulling all the strings Kinda like he's says big boy. And I remember two, thousand seventeen. You know. which did a lot to contribute to that whole Steve Bannon new cycle I suppose. Style Jack. Steve Bannon. Era. Trump's presidency. At this point a lot of that work has been published on the NIB, which is a daily political cartoon in graphic journalism officials for the new. Yorker. But yeah. But this is like her best known work and before saga this was Vaughn St- best known work. So when I started looking at his category Oh, I guess he also did that other thing that appears to be big but this. Catalog. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of catalog where you've heard of multiple things but this is definitely like the thing. Sure. Well, let's talk about the thing then Andrew. Thing. Let's sorry about why. The last man why the last man. So this isn't the for scrapping novel that we've done for the show, but we haven't done enough. So we we've done watchmen we did like. Did to them you volumes of preacher. On home feel like we do Her One. Yes I did from hell do we ever do like ain't Batman like. Long. Halloween. Halloween. Yes. That's a good one. Is that way? That's the one with the calendar Man, right? Yeah I mean the calendar man is there yes oh. Yes. Anyway my point point being we have done them on the show, but we do them like once a year ish. And so I don't like we don't have as established A. Formula for talking about them, which always makes me feel a little unmortgaged and adrift when when it comes time to actually discuss them because there's just like a key component of it that. I can I can either lane to you like line-by-line was going on in an individual frame or I can we just talk about the plot like independent more or less of the art? And just makes it tough. So that's I'm just letting as where that is where my Lucy sure that I've been exhibiting so far that's where that's come. Let me take you into Craig's corner where I've put mine nice corner. Mike. Questions. Like the lights up and yeah, it's Nice. Right. Do redecorating guy like a nice little chair with a blanket on it yeah. I love to sit in my own little corner in my own little chair where I can be whatever I wanna be, which is the person who asks questions. So I know from the premise that there's here my questions I know from the premise that there's some sort of. Man based plague the. I want to know about I. of course, want to know about the last man but I also WanNa know other characters who stood out because obviously, there are other characters. I just have a note here that says reproduction question-mark. Well and I I feel like I am on me to explain that to you. He should have had a parent explained that was sick that day it's cool. And then ideally did you at least bring your permission slips. Yes I did not know. And then I want to know a little bit about what the structure of it is like to read it all in one go I did find some interviews where he talks about having it. At least ending planned from the beginning some people. Think it feels pretty well planned but obviously in the middle he wasn't you know he was still writing it month to month or or making it in bursts. So what is it? My question is like, what is the kind of cliffhanger arenas? How much of that is preserved reading it all in one go in the same way that you buy if you're buying it individually you. Those places to start analyst right in there. So, let's talk about the man plague and no. I'm not just talking about how man is play around about the specific plague in this book where one day in like two thousand and two ish. We talked about the time line a little bit but the short version is this is our timeline. Mostly unmodified up until this plague happened. So like nine eleven happens in this universe did start writing this like just before nine eleven and then had to change something yeah. Like George W Bush and his presidency exist and okay. But only the first term because there is a character who says that? Even the Americans would have re elected him and I think this was written in two thousand five. So of course this. Meant as a as a dig but. That that's the basic thing about like we'll when we talk about something that takes place in the real world we'd. Like as an alternate history, we like to talk about the separation points like we. Were displeased policemen's Union. Last time I read a book. So yeah, that's you'll through this book I don't think we need to revisit necessarily I'm but yeah, one day in early two thousand to every man on. Earth dice. Painlessly once Laura asked what book you're reading this week and I gave her that pitch line and she looked at me went. Sounds good to me. She had smile on her face. Giving Real Ri- delivery of all right Zozo. Bad Person If ever, if ever, there was a time for not all men I feel like. I. Feel like I found it maybe the one time that that were. Just want. Not, all men has been ruined by people who have misused it when it was not appropriate, this may seem like a basic question, but does the book depict this event or does the? Okay. Okay. Okay. It big pigs up like right door. The first page of the thing and this was awesome and this is something I'm experiencing a lot in art lately. Is like the first page of the thing is some woman running up to a policewoman yelling about how her little Her young boys like we're bleeding and throwing up blood and dying. And I also watched the HBO Perry Mason Adaptation Recently, I'm like a few episodes in and I'm enjoying it but I didn't enjoy the first scene which revolves around a dead baby boy on trains I'm just like, yeah, a lot of fun. Like this is this is weird. This is the all this is the main way so far that like parenthood has affected how I Ingest art is I just have a horrible horrible time with like kids stuff sean were now. BE WITHIN EARSHOT OF SUSANNA, watching. Call. Midwife which is a show. Yeah. Primarily horrible things happen to kids and pregnant Lana is my is my experience. We'll be monsters down there on the. No thanks no, thanks can't do it anymore. Thank you very much. so yet oh, it opens with this this event happening, and then it goes back like fifteen or twenty minutes in time to show you the last like normal moments in the lives of most of the characters who you're going to be following. This thing. So Uric Brown is our protagonist and he is a twenty I wanted I'd like twenty two or twenty, three year old out of college but just barely like not really knowing how to be an adult, not really knowing where his life is going and feeling weird about it I'm sure many of you out there who are that age or have been the age can relate to feeling I know that I can't And he is has been dating this. Woman named Beth and he is very in love with her she has gone. To Australia he's in New York City, she has gone to Australia to like do some. Research or studying or something, and he's kind of feeling that they're that they're drifting apart and so the thing that he is decided to do to. Like profess that He. Is In love with her and wants their relationship to continue is to propose her over the phone. And so as he is doing this this thing, this event happens and every man dies except for your Iq and. and. This isn't just every human man. This is everything with a Y chromosome. Chromosome in it. Oh colluding like sperm. And like everything that you could use to make new males. Okay and is it not is it also other species? Yeah. Every every Ma'am all. But the lizards are fine again, I don't know how Lizard Chromosome. They're different. Every Mammal with the Y chromosome or like anything that could be used to create a mammal with a Y chromosome dies. Except for your and his mum his monkey he has decided to train a helper monkey to feel like he's doing something like two to better. The world's again another impulse that I can completely relate to. You was doing that before the plague us to train a monkey. Yes and he's named this monkey amp sand. Great. That's a great name for Boise, name for a monkey. So York amp sander hanging out in this apartment. And every man dies and so you. I think you might expect. That to primarily affects like characters like people who were men or new men. But this the book in building its universe, it also goes into some detail. On how that affects like infrastructure and it kind of makes it a bit of a statement though I don't it doesn't always explored as much as I wanted it to but it makes a bit of a statement about like the gender imbalance in many like fields and positions power. So, here is the. they'll blurbs kind of the Star Wars opening scroll that you get. After this I like prologue issue. Helpful. Okay. in the summer of two thousand to play of unknown origin destroyed every last sperm fetus and fully developed Mammal with a y chromosome with the apparent. One young man and his pet, a male caption money monkey this gender side instantaneously exterminator fifty, forty, eight percent of the global population or approximately two point nine, billion men for hundred ninety, five of fortune five hundred CEOS are now dead as our ninety nine percent of the world's landowners in the US alone more than ninety five percent of all commercial pilots, truck drivers and ship captains died as did ninety two percent of all violent felons internationally ninety nine percent of all mechanics. Electrician's and construction workers are now deceased the fifty one percent of the plant's agriculture agricultural labor force is still alive. And it goes on like talking about the military like fourteen nations including Spain and Germany have women soldiers. None of the United States nearly two, hundred, thousand female troops have ever participated in ground combat. Remember that this is predating the war on terror Yup Yup Yup Australia and Sweden are the only countries that women serving onboard submarines. Worldwide Eighty five percent of all government representatives are now dead as one hundred percent of Catholic priests, Muslim Imams and Orthodox. Jewish rabbis. So saying something about. And I. Sometimes, I feel I I don't know if. That's meant to read is a political statement so much as meant to just like tell you the things that are not functioning I, mean, yeah. I I mean I think anything can be both but yeah, it can be both and it can have political resonance whether or not. He wants to be his primary goal like he could have a list of things he wants thinking about with that prologue and maybe like the political. Speech underwriting it is maybe number two or three. Yeah. Okay but so I did. To to be Afr- I did enjoy this this this comic series yeah. Is a think a version of it that was more focused on the macro of it rather than following one guy around and like. Being a lot about like a love story between him and a few different people Like that. This is a lot of works of art and maybe you can tell me the like one or two you associate with this. But do you know you don't like a work of art that has that you really liked but has a really dumb protagonist in it. I called this stupid protagonist syndrome. And it's also it also affects. Properties like the legend of Cora. I'm not even going to say it works in spite of its protagonist, the protagonists like. is a weak link in what is otherwise a pretty strong chain. You know what I mean I I'd okay. I might catch flack for this. But, I think that Dragon Ball Z might apply here go. Goku he is the strongest being in the universe, but he's a terrible dad and he's an idiot. Every fight is just Goku starts hurt and of his rad friends who have cool personalities have to do a bunch of stuff until Goku, can make it. and. Then when go gets there, he's like well, I'm not going to do the smart thing and beat this guy right away. I. Wanted To beat me up. So that I get like stronger and then I can really beat them up. Goku. Cool on I didn't know you'RE GONNA. Come at Gook Goku. But I'm impressed that he did. If I came forgo cou I would definitely miss. That's the problem is so bad. He's summit the king. So, tell me a little bit about this protagonist though because I do think you're. I. WanNa. Come back to the macro thing. But I want to know a little bit more about the characters because obviously, if he made this choice to focus on them, that's something he's interested. So uric is a is the last man on earth and he is a smart Alecky twentysomething white boy. And having done that. I don't always find it. Super like interesting sure. I in literature but. Where the book is at its best, I think it is him like recognizing that and wrestling with a little bit like feeling like he is. He was nobody. And, maybe this like his being the last man on Earth imbues him with some sort of importance because he was sort of wanting that and. Striving for that in some ways but then. Finding all this evidence that no, he's still just kind of a small person. With things that he doesn't fully understand like that. That's interesting. Okay So uric his way to Washington DC where his mother is a congresswoman one of the few and this is another. This is another interesting threat is in DC all the men die right and then the women who are left are mostly Democrats and then all the wives of the Republican Congressmen get mad and like storm the capitol. Because, they think the Democrats have done like a power rab forcibly like taking over the government cheese. So sit with that for a minute and no thanks. He goes to to meet with his mom and she hooked him up with this this woman named agent three, five five. Who is a a black woman who is part of this thing called the culpepper ring, which was a real. Like spy ring in the Revolutionary War which among other things outed Benedict Arnold as a traitor. But. This book supposes that it did not end with the American. Revolution. As We believe it did. You know I love that stuff. Yeah. Why not? And, and they're like, it has lasted this whole time. They're even like splinter groups based on certain like individual presidents and their. Activities but. Agent Three fifty five is. Assigned to guard your Iq, as the last man on earth and he is supposed to meet up with this Dr Alison Man who is a interesting name? Yeah. A geneticist who has been working on like human cloning. And the the idea being like. She and her. And her work on geology can discover what it is about. You. That helps you survive, and then maybe also we can start thinking about how to not let the human race go extinct. Okay. So they're pretty quick to be like you gotta find this guy. And figure out a solution. Okay. So. Yeah, there's there's A. Bit that I thought really drove home the stakes I think it's early, and so the the edition I read is the. Like. Five volume deluxe edition I know I believe there's like an omnibus. Is a ten part one as well. But like book to the addition, I read the so agent three Five York. They meet up with Dr Man and she Goes to. Her lab in a thing is either Baltimore New, York. City. Somewhere on the east coast they're going to go to her lab and they're gonNa get you know some of the stuff that she's been working on and they're going to get to work on the the thing that they've been assigned but her lab is torched by somebody who and. So they need to three of them go across the country to San Francisco to her other lab where probably these samples also are but there's no air travel anymore like there's you know a lot of infrastructure is just down. Around a lot of major cities the plague, the event happened at rush hour. So many rows are just straight up impassable and it's not a left behind thing where these dudes died and they just left behind like shoes or whatever like they they'd guide. Bodies and yeah. Awful. Got Like two point something billion corpses that you suddenly have to deal with. Okay. So that's kind of a logistical issue. So, the bulk of the of the book is Uh. Is them traveling to San her Cisco and then Traveling all over the world in pursuit of various macguffin and trying to figure out what happened and also like preserve the human species and. Like many inner per- interpersonal things also happened. So they that's the main shape of the. Many. Interpersonal things. I'll. Personal things happen many human relations. Sure. Do, anything you want to say about Dr, man or agent three, fifty five do did they get separate story arcs is all centered around him? They do get their own story, Arcs Little Bit Lynn and little flashbacks Dr Man is like a is a Japanese American. I think woman who is also a lesbian. That's so there are, and maybe this is the time to talk about those views and like the the of its time -ness of this sure I think I I think i. just notice of its time stuff about the two thousands because I don't expect things that I like lived through feel of their time. Yes. Correct one of the big, and maybe you maybe you have A. have. A moment or like an individual thing where you can tell. That something of its time, but the the thing for me is if I See or hear a character used the word retarded as a casual insults Korean like stupid or dumb? That is a clear like mid mid-2000s thousands cultural signal. That, I think largely like fell out of vogue and like early twenty ish. Yes, and from Malaysia have the me that the show that is like the epitome of that is is the US office the US office lived through a lot of that like that era that we have built and the era that we left. You can watch the comedy attempt to straddle it. And watch the what we can get away with but but he added just the. Just stuff we wouldn't say anymore well, and then somebody that I've ever said there are other. Like we re washed community recently. Has A has a character played by Chevy Chase who is racist and the show makes a joke out of the fact that he is an old racist man but also. The show uses him as an excuse to make jokes that are racist, correct yes. Still feel like quote safe to laugh at them, and so I think the the office and in a lot of comedy in that era falls into that trap where we're we're to understood as standard. This person is a real jerk. But also. We are we are, and because that person is directly were allowed to laugh at stuff that we wouldn't be able to. Laugh at if we were supposed to think this person was a hero. And we're their dislike. We're all working through how much of that is tolerable in what ways are ways that you do it while you still punch up So I did look this up on I found it on the queer comics database sounds like a good database. Yeah. and it just has a little run down on what it is but then it has a one sentence thing that is like gender is discussed in terms that may be considered regressive regressive by modern readers particularly those who are sensitive to Transphobia and transphobic language I do think the though like. The you know. chromosomal binary is going to is going to invite some of that ought S- stuff that we would probably not I don't know it'd probably be handled differently and maybe you can speak to that in terms of trans men or characters like that. In the book also a world full of women like how it handles clearness. I'm not sure I founded a review from LESBOS DOT COM by Danika Ellis. A great name for a website again or men I who really liked the book. And talked about Dr Man Agent Three Five. And says about Dr? Man. She was my favorite character. She also happens to be a lesbian as she actually identify as queer before the plague after which women didn't really have any other options. And just kind of goes on to say that she appreciated how that character was drawn. But definitely points out that there are like. Uses of Trans Pronouns that would you know if you were more well-versed in in how to get that right? You would not have used them that way stuff like that. That is definitely of it's time I found a good reeds review that said What is it excuse me? A three and a half. Star good resume. From A. I feel like this more than I should do its credit, the premise and storylines a very compelling character story ARCS interesting flesh out. But the inherent woke kness of said, premise is undercut with what I'm thinking is completely unnecessary homophobia transphobia sprinkled in makes for an overall great read. I'll be jarring at times and that I think is the of its time thing to a t yeah. That was my main experience of it is just to take. Queasiness as a as an example. Like a an of so we are past like the friends a gay panic getting in mainstream pop culture at least. So we're like post will and grace like premodern family I sure if you WANNA position the somewhere but so it it is okay to be homosexual or bisexual in public but people also get weird about it and have hangups about it before insisting hey, hey, it's cool. Yorick catches agent fifty, five and Dr Man like hooking up one time, which is a one time thing and doesn't happen again. And three fifty five is is portrayed as straight mostly. Throughout the throughout the thing but and he just gets really it's really like. I don't. It's not quite the he bs that's not like. Generous enough to him, but he gets really hung up on it in a way. That I wish he hadn't and the the thing he's getting hung up on is in like partly the same sex. And her. Thank. So. We can talk about this a little bit later but but. Not only that they that they hooked up also that. You know. Maybe maybe they were like misrepresenting something to him as a man, and so they are no longer available to him as conquests because they were actually lesbians this whole time shoring yeah yeah yeah. Can I use that as a pivot point actually yell, let's yeah. Let's do because. Let's yeah. So this is we can talk a little bit more about plot Steph This is a review from lady GEEK GIRL DOT COM lady girl it's a blog post that said on the surface. The last man tells a parable. That could easily be presented as a validation of MS of misogynistic fantasy a story about science gone amok and women failing to appreciate the contributions of. Men until it's too late. But in reality I see wise both a rebuttal of that philosophy and attempt and attempt to reach those who profess it presents a world where men have to hide what they are running from women who hate them for their gender or WanNa capture them as a prize or research subject world where women are in charge and men are criticized as prudish and as being duplicitous and promiscuous where being male is to risk abuse and violence. And using that to kind of highlight, the ways in which that exists the flip side in the real world. Yeah. That's interesting and and one of the most one of the. Things I like the most is actually toward the end. There is in universe, a pair of people who do a comic book. That is a world where all the women died. And only men still live except there's one woman laughed. And the world as portrayed in that comic book is much much worse than. Society breaks down on a on an unprecedented scale and the skyline is alight with fire because only the men are left. which I like I I have no evidence that would disprove. No. Not at all that interpretation of events. So can you give us just a like? I wanted to put that out there as what is the book maybe up to can you marry? What how does this? Primary storytelling unit also. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be great. So a lot of it is just kind of a travelogue sort of thing like at first and the first couple books it is. Yorick and agent through fifty, five and Dr Manse. Trout like their their trip across the US and the people they meet along the way. And there are you know you're always primed to run into other males because? Like. That is just part of trying to find out what happened and. Trying to discover more about the world and so the book does he's that a couple of times like there are a couple of men in space, for example, who live. But then die. When they reenter the atmosphere but one of them had impregnated the female astronaut who is up there with them and that woman's child is a boy. And so you know we. We. Are Meant to understand I think through that that. IT IS A. Play is some kind of a disease or like a man made thing and maybe not divine retribution or supernatural or something. Yeah. Because I mean, there are a lot of thought and this this is one of the One of the things I thought was interesting lives doing researches. The von basically says we told we tell you somewhere in the books. What the real cause of the plague is. Yeah. And I think he's even there is even like a definitive record and some some scripture special edition or something that lays out with the actual cause is I'm not going to say here because if you WANNA like. He he wanted the answer to be in there somewhere, but he didn't want definitively say what the answer was. to to leave some interpretation up to the reader that the book spends the most time with a couple of different theories. One that like Dr Man's father who is still alive and was in is also a geneticist like he so he and Dr Man were sort of competing like they had a bad relationship and so they were sort of the she was trying to beat him to a viable cloned human. And so he? He interferes with her work and he clones her actually successfully and his theory is that something in nature detected that women like humans could reproduce without biological males and so it wiped all the men out because they weren't necessary anymore. Oh. Okay and is like I don't know so that. Very time with there's another theory that's mentioned briefly toward the end that it was. Like a biological attack on China like trying to kill all the men in their society and thus like destabilizing it okay and eliminating them as as as an emerging world power, but it got out of hand. Okay, that's that's possible. Both of those are. Are Interesting because like when we when we learned that thing about About Dr Man's father like they are the characters are in China and he. Says you know it looks it looked like this thing happened like at the exact same time. Throughout the world but. Really. There was just a little bit of time delay this thing travel that basically the speed of light. But everything I've heard all my calculations say that like China was the epicenter of it. Okay. So there are. Multiple explanations supported by the evidence and they kind of overlap a little bit. It seems like they don't necessarily discredit each other like that's cool. Okay. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, and that's so. There is A. And Uric even like lampshades this a little bit like they they're talking about after they escape Doctor Man's father and they they are sort of. Just, talking out stuff to into them later like uric does reference that particular like the? That explanation of it like the nature getting revenge or like creating balance or whatever, and he says, yeah that is kind of kind of a weird hard understand. The book Sorta it Pokes Fun at the format of of comic sometime to just talking about like graphic novels and their. Virtues and limitations as a storytelling format in the in. The conversation between characters and I feel like I'm getting far away from your from your question, which is what the story is actually about it is. It's very so I mean so they'd go to San Francisco and they you know Dr man puts some things together and starts doing some work. But then just as she is discovering the actually an sand is the key to everything he is kidnapped kidnapped by a mysterious Ninja Whoa. and. So they chase this. Ninja. Encountering like people in the Australian Navy along the way discovering that Australia is. Bike is riven by this heroin problem because of so many women like taking drugs to escape the horror of their of their circumstances and so they travel around the world for a while at the same time as this is happening, York is looking for Beth his friend. who he was cut off. Cut Off on the phone with and he keeps he keeps referring to her as girlfriend or fiancee. He doesn't quite know what they are because their conversation got interrupted, but she is sort of allowed to be A. An. Idealized. Person In his head. Who keeps him from just like screw in his way across the country too much as you might there's a version of this where he is just like a total playboy trombone everybody and I as. I find his insistence on being monogamous through this sort of quaint but. I think it does keep the story from getting to grow. Oh, it could get bad real quick that. Are Definitely, like cheesecake he. Moments. Yes. Many many of the women who they encounter. Are Conventionally Hot Okay. Have Big Bubis served you WANNA get down. Oh With your and partake killed. Sure. But if it but it's not is not as bad as you as you might. Think. It's not just people trying to chase them in like get some. Okay. Sure one hundred percent of the time. Is there a payoff to this like him trying to find her thing that you found so meaning after the the the. Like the discovery of what happened and that human cloning possible is sort of the climax of the. Cannes humankind survive. Okay. Part of the part of the story. Sure. I feel it. I'd say I started describing this I got off on a tangent and that's part of the thing about. About talking about graphic novels but then this one in particular where there is a lot of flashing back and then flashing to President and jumping around and location like between issues is it. There's a lot more disjointed nece in the story telling because you have like sixty issues all separated by like a month, the peace young. Or. However, I don't know schedule actually came out on I. Think it was between two, thousand, two, thousand and eight. That would that would be about right But. There's they. They're in Arizona on their way to San Francisco and Dr Man says, well, that's that's it for like shrews. All, the mail, all the male shrews died, and it's been like eighteen months or however long it had been. And that's the life span of a shrew, and so there aren't any more and like next is rats unless you just kind of counts up through with Through the food chain of stuff that is going to expire because all the males are gone Man, that does a good job of establishing the stakes of that particular bit of story, Yeah Yeah. Yeah is yeah. The whole the whole series takes place over I guess it would be roughly. Like it it would take there would be as much. Time elapsing in the story as lapse in the real world as it was being published more or less. I. Think they're like four or five years that. Pass in the main storyline as we are moving from the year two, thousand and two, thousand eight. So yeah. The bit about the about genetics and what happened like that all wraps up. Not early but like not quite toward the end and then the last bit of it is. Three fifty, five and Yorick going to Paris is where they have determined that Beth is. And he Goes and he reunites with Beth and she had some kind of like dream or vision or something where he was there, and so they get back together. Briefly and then she reveals to him that as they got cut off, she was not about to accept his proposal of marriage but she was about to break up with core detected that they were moving in different directions just like he had. and. He discovers that it was actually three, fifty five he's loved all along. Okay. which is. Supported by the by the story and it and it works for both of them. I DID HAVE A. Another maybe of its time thing I don't think we need to shirt I. I don't think we have time to talk about that much. It's interesting that eight hundred, fifty, five, zero black woman. Dr Man is a Japanese American woman but. I. Think especially, three, fifty five. There is not a lot of their it. Sort of colorblind everybody's equal relations between. Me and it is of It is of the era gave birth to the Obama era. Sure I guess we're like if you go back to watch something from the third season of thirty rock, everybody's talking about how like races over and everything in a way that is very A little bit of a joke but also very often take. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense and also like it hearkens back to even like original star. Trek. Right. A little bit in that just like this is the world we live in everyone's here. I sort of I don't think that like her is enough of a data they don't try enough to make her. Character for you to? Oh to like. I, don't even I. Don't know that that's a that's a great comparison because eight, hundred, fifty five is a. Is a black woman living in early two thousands America. But it doesn't really come up. That is part of Oh. Yeah. Ground ever at all. Yeah. Not Not saying that it. Necessarily needs to go all the way into it or even to like pigeonhole her. To be successful thing but I just I thought it was. It was an interesting choice guess and I think if I if you were doing this now. Things you would do differently I think you would have the decision to. Make her a black woman would. Be More Mike. Considered or like more purposeful guess. you would probably explorer trans issues more like A. Trans men are mentioned sometimes, but usually derisively and no characters sure. No, no major characters are trans like you. You get people who? Dress. As men sometimes sex workers, addresses men in. A few of those but you don't you don't see an experience like trans men in this world i. think that would that would you would probably have to? Do that if you were doing this story now I don't remember if. Nearly Alderman's the power deals with that at all I don't think you read that one I didn't read that one. So I don't really remember. That's the one we're all the women don't man. I don't remember it being being a thing. Yeah. An apple there but it's been a while. Can I just ask you about the the like just what it was like to get to the end of it? Did it feel like a thing that was inevitable at all? Did it feel satisfying he seems to? Have, he claims that his twenty or something year old self knew what the ending was when he started this and there's a lot of interviews by von where he's like, you know, I guess I could changed the ending if I wanted to. But I had to honor what seven years ago me said because all the success I've had is thanks to him. The. I mean. So the ending is Just as Yorick discovers that. was actually three, fifty, five that he was meant to be with this whole time. This band of like Israeli soldiers who's been. Chasing after them because like a sensibly because the leader. Feels like the. Per the the nation. That has access to a man Like a biological man is going to inherently have an advantage over all the other nations that don't have men sure and being a woman from Israel, you could maybe understand how she is. Particularly preoccupied with. Like geopolitics and like ensuring the continued existence of her of her down my sense. Yeah. But. But in the in the book is also doing this whole other major thing that that I don't think we're going to be able to do justice to that. That is talking about like suicide and about Mike how you act when you're when you're having suicidal ideation and If you if this is like a trigger for you, them probably should skip the next couple of minutes but Uric early in the book keeps putting himself into risky situations and. Later on is it is presented as like he is. He is suicidal but he Can't bring himself to do it to himself. So he keeps putting himself in risky situations as a way to commit suicide. Yeah. Okay. It's not working out and so he is. He has a brief encounter with somebody who like. Threatens to kill him basically and Almost. Does it to like make him And this is not an endorsement of this of this method, but like almost kills him. To make him realize that he still wants to live. Yeah. Yeah. And there's a scene of this in the leftovers that I can think about that is like very stark and very powerful. Okay. Sure And Yeah and I think in context I it works and then the semantically it comes full circle when. Like three three, fifty five is killed by this Isreaeli woman. And Yorick. In. This final confrontation with her realizes that she is doing what he was doing is like she she is. Pursuing him and she is doing all this stuff. Because she doesn't want to be alive anymore yeah okay. and. So he like discredits her in front of her soldiers who already had a lot of misgivings about her and sort of ends that ends that plotline without. Killing her okay. Just by like making it clear that she is not like the strong leader that she was presenting herself as but yeah, it's it's a thing that comes up a couple of different times is like. You know in a world where so much has changed and. The. Extinction of the human race seems inevitable. Than wide. Why would you not just hurry it along? And so it it explores that for a few different characters in ways that I found. Interesting and it sounds like it kind of comes to that as part of the conclusion as like A. By guest he is going to keep going. Yeah, and then the last part of the book I I wasn't. I wanted to be more satisfied. The happens yes because it does it does the time jump. Okay. So jumps like sixty years after everything that happened and you find out I mean it's basically just going through and finding out how your favorite character. With my favorite part of time jump ending. Okay I don't have anything else but I, you know I think the the art is really good effective it is it is. Sort of pulpy and Genre E in a way that I also haven't been able to talk about a lot like a lot of. people making. Like. Delirious. Confessions. After they've been injured that really reveals like their their inner field. Characters, a lot of cliffhangers inbetween issues were someone is apparently mortally injured and you have to wait till next month to figure out whether they actually were mortally injured. That's great and hint usually not. The I did find fun article in the two thousand eight New York Times fashion section called the last man. And I don't read a lot of this section. I did not expect this to be like six paragraph article describing party that they threw for the last issue. And here's basically what are the last issue? Here's what the article is. Basically Andrew. They went to a party Josh Weeden is here Jeff Garlan is here. For. SEATTLE. Now who Jeff Garland is P P Aguirre a monkey. Damon Lindelof is here. And then some people got some drinks and we're sad that it was over like it was such a weird little like what was. Happening in media in this bar in New York for a day I was trying to find anything about this collection. Why at this party from twelve years ago I would say would WanNa Lindelof, last man adaptation but I think he kind of did it already he did it already. Yeah he did that already, he figured out his own way to explore. The themes of like sudden unexplained disappearance except he never even. Like. Part of the point of that was never explained, right? No. Yeah. You never know and that was already based on a book too. But the other I think seasons two and three were not based on any source material could be wrong. This is the this is the left. Really now, who Damon Lindelof is yeah. This book seems like it's triangulating the power which I mentioned the leftovers which we just mentioned, and then like some sick are like what if you did those two stories but then you added some good art to it. Given your pre existing. Affection for. For the leftovers I wonder if I shouldn't like responsibly socially distantly leave these books on your doorstep and just let you read them I think I think you would you would be into them. You might want to tell me so that I like no, and they don't get rained on. But I yes, I ask you know that I was doing okay. Wouldn't just drop them down your chimney. Graphic novel. 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Episode 71: Romancing Ms. Pat

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Episode 71: Romancing Ms. Pat

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I'm losing my ill he said but oh, may I was like if I said to myself if you're fucking fingers get tangled in my hair, you pull it out to I'm going to kill you because I'm tend to hit it as like the chick on the color purple members you come I can't stand for you call me she asked me in sections Ashley takes about three days comb that. You gotta take some headache medicine. Go help him. tylenol. Who Be real tender headed when I used to get my hair braided and so I would take like an aleve before i. got my so that Ain't GonNa tell you what I will come in. My mom uses straight now have right and she's calling the kitchen in the bag that should Napa Nick. She's caught a the kitchen kitchen to hurt why wh-. Hers 'cause you this where you late and it's just like the hair it's it's more sensitive than you know what the kitchen is. Okay. So you're here begging Beckham are network here Chris. Right below a BB. So that call getting the kitchen. Right where the bottom of the scalp yet. And you gotta be you gotta be that he would destroy Kona, get real hot bad and begging and datum and the Mama used grease as she. was he put the hat home. Selling, fries chicken. Bacon Grease Grease get running. Now you're nick hat like a counter and you just gotTa set down on five new. A Black Mama take that fucking Afro me hit you knuckleball of a black power hit you all appears that he and I was like, Oh, this out of the cove and that Greece meeting is just something you will never forget you hear a sets the Oh come to blue magic coming out knee like a sliding bowl I remember being real young and. Sit in the beauty parlor of my mom and you just just that sound. It just sounded like people cook and Bake it and just all day the smell of the. aided. So. Is it because it like curls? Curls more. Okay. I'm just all al I like the mental image in my mind is Moon Malcolm X. in the beginning of the Spike Lee movie where he's like. Dipping his head in the toilet could there's no water? Like what was the stuff that he would put on his hair to straighten it who's grease grease that's what they do. Put Greece Sony to keep you know because I require a lot of oil. So, when my mom who's calling the kitchen in the background, the edges and she and I'm just so fucking intended I used to cry eyeballs out So things I hated it. She did was straight. My may coconut cake because you know I told. You that coconut bag I guess she thought it was a real coconut nick ain't never seen. No coconut really know who? fucks you get them white sprinkle shing lane who like they went on a criminal. Dry As hell. Yeah she's looking. No taste. She's long coconut cake for everybody and I just two things free to fuck out. But now they back to the straightening comb. The beauty of the black beauty salons are literally back to the straightening comb. Like Day like when cushy do ya she had taken that Mitchell old nettie plug up straightening come straight out the stone among you will get him out stolen. Maybe you would take the blast cast I and it'd be so hot. It'd be raid some shit. You probably to a motherfucker week. What does the look like a regular home metal? Okay and US taking you straighten it got them and bought should be fluffy and your mom was seeing you as an sign she would draw right back up. Yeah. Because it's weight. Okay. You don't. Really, before black women started permanent, is that why you don't wear your hair natural because it how tinder hitter your my hair's natural you mean without we. Think because your hair looks really good and especially with those gold rimmed glasses that she just had like I wonder why you don't wear your hair natural more often, why do you wear the wig? I don't the maintenance is just a maintenance. I'm not an Afro Natural Afro Center type Cheek Anyway. So I'm not is just is Gary on her hair. I can never do my hair g literally twist are held every fucking night she wash it. She read everything before she put on there. NIGGA. Just give me a couple of corn rolling give me a week so I can become flow. Time out I mean natural hair is beautiful I see some black woman as she is gorgeous but his solve, but I just can't do I cannot walk around hill. Does she tend to hate him I'm. GonNa wash dishes. Every time you gotta calmness should at least at least if I break it up, it'll be you know. I can go a month or so. So why don't you cut because it's pretty long would you say like nine inches my show? Yeah. Why? Why don't you? Like shave it or get like a like it buzzed. If you wear it in corner, rose a lot like why not keep it closer cropped Because I, won't how? Okay you want the option? Basically? No, I won't my how. This shit. Don't grow like you. Should it tell me? He is getting my how my But you don't. You just keep it on a corner pain in the ASS. Yeah. What a mess she we're not taking Dan had his nice as for today. I love to give me a board could. No. Yes but. What is funny about missing Pat No. Yes. He's like you're not like. You're you're feminine but you're not feminine like you're like I'm tough and I'm strong. But then you're like I can never cut my hair such. Girl thing pussy. I'm a girl. I like dig. I'm just fight you. I'm just an ex convict good at a beat Joe. Making Sense. I'm not. Girls I'm not like the girls. You guys probably date. You know the ones who cry on a bit of a mini, the ones who wants you to own nick. From my door I'll need to be weighed. No, you'd open. No dough me of all of fucking dope lead me long out romance yellow need you do a that we go to sleep. I'll need out at rubbing my head and she till we're Obama fee Sarah Nate me and she it's. No need carry actually saw seasons. Sabi. NOCERA Dayton. What is it call serenading? Need holiday. I'm not that type of person who Have you ever had. No okay they're. Not even in the early stages, the game with Garrett because he so like I bet he would you. He bought her can cowboy hat one time her Valentine's. He. You. KNOW HE BOUGHT MEAL P. P.. Holidays. Nigga who will woo? Woo. I can't. Like it because you never had it ain't never threw down no flowers he never surprise me we need to get them. We need to get them take them to the cyber here. Fan. Is the local sex spot like you. Dude days when you're twenty and you get married, that's where you had your honeymoon if you're broke or if like you're forty year old couple and you WANNA. Spice things up, you get the hotel room with a water slide in the bedroom. It's it's basically you know nine doing it trying to portray she. I ain't on Valentine. told me she that ain't what I won't. Picture then. That'll be so amazing. going. Down the slide in the. Worst fantasy suites on the south side, you can go be a Roman emperor for day. You ever been to one of those hotels where people feed you grapes and fan you. Dresses in. Ancient Egypt. Your fucking. No I don't need all of that. I think my well, my relationship I'm not. I'm not a needy I'm not a girly girl anyway because that's probably why came GEICO's I'm so fucking boys but tomboys. I don't like audit I. Mean because I'm the type person I. cannot stay to wait for somebody to do something for me know those types of women you lose and I'm just GONNA. WAIT TO HE ME A. Patient for Romance. got. fucking nuts. Like last time gear. So funny to me. Yeah I do say. He was so nice yesterday to me too and I like baby talk wrong to. Found he's just like this. Oh Manley Bitch. There's no like holiday hole in. Hey. I mean I think he brought me from because I used to like holding hand way. Holding. Your hand in public. Because it's shriveled. Fuck you Chris. This I'm talking years before he. Left the hand. Okay. To My shrivel. Fuck Yeah. No I don't you know. I mean I'm a hard person surprised because I'm always suspicious a sheet like I remember when he He bought me a laptop or Apple Laptop and I fuck you bathroom doing what's going on out Nicholas? Finally. fucking laptop data about channel. Oh. This week. Now you like do you do romantic sweet things? So He's GonNa say that's so funny because she's the exact opposite she likes to do surprises and and yeah, the people. Yeah. But I remember when we put that roast on for her she was I. Want to do this shit and then she had a blast and I was like, oh, so sweet right people care about you but she's not very good at receiving the things that she gives to other people, right? Yeah. I would say that probably so yeah, you're very generous person. Yeah but I, want you fuck with me. That's what I don't. Lows Day. You see my hair stand on my head like. Rocco so I'm trying to lady. What would happen if you stuck your finger in fact? The giants tied in. A light socket. Stuck your finger. I don't know where my knowledge is become. fucking time. Mama was doing fucking up to. Be All you could be I. Hope I mean be all. You could be at a hope you hit design and buying up what what she's as a little girl I saw. Yes all those Dan I'm talking in. This latest mid pay as onto. She's like you pay full was what you want. Such a big Fan I. Love You. God Damn as I am not on creek I took my hat. And Iran in here to see what I can find on the cleaners. Found a fucking front door for eighty. Well, I'm sorry. I found a front door a three hundred dollar front though yeah for forty five dollars is yours missing? What do you need another one for a put it over on the side Put it through the garage. Oh okay. Okay Yeah Com a for like bitch I found your front door not call the bitch I needed though I'm sorry. Are you putting in another front door? No I'm putting it too. So you can walk through garage okay. You have, but you're putting like an outdoor door on the inside no outdoor though on outside. So you're going to cut a hole in the wall, cut a hole in the brakes. Why so putting their down faded out I got. She goes. Eight thousand dollars worth of work. Fifty dollars does she got him? So afraid that was the answer. Got Damn right I'm, GonNa, be a chainsaw myself. But what could you see her chain sound bricks. Asked. Indian Your door is right next to your garage though yeah. But we had opened the whole garage to get through to. Go through it some time, but just go through the front door. myemma. Don't tell me out. There and you know the best time for had done this. Remove my father was alive and he ran my call clean through my garage. What's not remember that? When I I bought this house. He ran a fucking call clean through the garage. So he had a Muslim. Fake leg didn't reach the break. No, he Muslim alone and he would brain a about him. Some Chinese food, right? All. These things. He had this very serious disease that I can't even reproduce. And then he had. Chinese. Food. Suffering wouldn't. Majerus owes get you. PUT PF. changs. We. Want the Chinese food relevance. So he would drive at. That black. I had a black SUV. Thing was a trailblazer extrapolate black trump as he drove it outside right. So hail and flooding gay GE fucking breaks and all he called what he wanted us to know new car fucking hit the brake muffler heat a hand on the windshield. I'm like put seabed on. So they're more. So anyway, he come home one day. Muslim law here winning got Chemo and he He was starting to get Chinese food, and so I, guess he was important a car. Fake later fairly les he thought he put the car in park but he didn't any opening play and got rid of the S faintly slipped on Iran ran the called clean. Chinese food everywhere. It was not so easy in the driveway to the funnel. He was in that would not have my garage we had just moved. Out that, we weren't even in house thirty days. He, he let the garage sale. So scanning he backed up and not the whole garage door. The lady over here to my right is a nurse she come over peak and call eight is black handicapped man is trapped in a house and you know not both sides of the house. Dad's. got. Liquid chair right now he's keeping wheelchair-bound garage door I mean when you first walk out the garage. Disney's got his car. Running them. He's wheelchair when the pote when a five-point guy he was in the wheelchair Chinese food. Co Lo Chop. My mother fucking down trying to get didn't they got Canadian onto carbon dioxide right? I guess that would be wholly put on. There like you all right. He's hitting the fuck empower your own that. Everybody. KNOWS MSG takes care. That's right. Yes. Day. Comedy get that unique where you. Lying in Miami. I was opening four days time and he's like your daddy just ran the cop the what the fuck are you talking about? So one no face on it day. That would suck you the. Our. Trying to eat food Iran I both sides. Get Your Selah as in house new. You know tell my goddamn brand new house up. So you know we don't Blat Pj mood a whole neighborhood. Oh man we will talk the town everybody just walked by we got kill folks tape that caution tape all around the house. Little I need on nick around is mud on. We're so much caution tape around garage. She 'cause they WANNA make sure. Call. The Insurance Company and they just put a whole garage Dow began holding it took a minute for the insurance company to pay. And get things. And then revealed today steel building a lot of houses out here and they was we all get your garage Facet Nigga when they give me the Goddamn check. So it was a while but it was I mean every day you saw people walking by that didn't walk by Oh yeah no, the growing up in this town that would have been big news all over town it was bad news. And a lady next door was a nurse and she get him out. 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What about that explosion? That would bug scare how you pronounce the place where they route was bay roof the batter. Well, Jesus Christ. Strike three you are out. No. Babe Ruth. Ruth. Okay Beirut. The category. I didn't catch it. So, ammonium nitrate fertilizer, and that's what in Oklahoma City that tore up Oklahoma City in the nineties when that was five tons of ammonium nitrate this is like two, thousand, seven, hundred and fifty pounds or some crazy amount who put it out with did they put it up? Would blow door so fertilizers used to blow it's used for mining and I think it was stored there for mining. It's been there for six years and they were welding the door shut for security purposes at lit it and it blew up and I mean it's whoever was fucking well. Yeah. I mean as of now I mean we're recording this on. The fifth, there's one hundred, thirteen deaths. There I saw an NBC that one hundred thousand people became instantly homeless four, thousand, five, thousand injured within downtown Beirut area. There's zero glass and any building left like it basically had the same power of a nuclear weapon. That's what I thought too. When I was strolling in Oh, my God Jesus in Lebanon. Coming up so Did you butcher. Babe Ruth in Lebanon John Haney Lebanon people have suffered enough. As is fucking rare. I tell 'em no pain. No Mobile. Do. Scared I mean who recording that a little baby not I'll say what? Do you want. For your mind is terrorism and I was like terrorists a damning. The May, I don't. Yeah. I. Think you're right. This is unconscionable I. Mean I blast some Shit there was second black fuck like you was tied away I went. I mean it was like best hidden the fact that they had so many people capture the initial. Yeah. The Big One is just mind blowing I. Mean I saw did you guys see the woman with the person was driving past it? Briefly, and then it blew out there car windows and just her knocked her mirror down and everything was just. There's one where guy was in the church and he was. He was in the Church and the pastor, and then all the sudden like I mean, this is a war torn country that had civil war, and so like I imagine all them have that muscle memory where they're just like get downs because the the priest like dove the one that I saw that I think you sent me the video that I saw it for the first time 'cause I, kind of seen it all day and then I hadn't watched it and it was from the rooftop kind of angle. And just you see the mushroom cloud and then you hear the blast and he like falls over I mean it was really so insane. Actually. I have the pitcher up. It actually looks like somebody mouth missing teeth yet no. Like blew a huge crater Jesus into. Actually. Like a person with no teeth in their mouth. But on my on my facebook page and you'll see the like the radius was a fifteen mile blast radius can you imagine i? It's kind of like the nine eleven where you're you're a first responder going down there trying to help me not knowing that fucking round too scared like that. Shit's just fucking brutal. Yeah. They and because of Cova they've been hit pretty hard because it's a pretty poor country and it their hospitals are struggling to keep up. It's. It's really huge tragedy. I have never seen anything like that outside of a war documentary ever that was just I remember being in US history class one, nine eleven hit I remember watching that on TV and thinking. fucking buildings are, GonNa Fall Down I. Just I just remember thinking is like the Shit's GonNa fall down and And And then to see that just that. The initial blast when it shoots up and that giant white cloud. That she didn't that look like like anime. There, was crazy. Yeah I mean I was in physics class when the first tower fell and just you could hear all through the school just the screams of horror it was really. Really Wild. Yeah. So yeah, you see that like fifteen miles away houses were missing windows like it it was. I can imagine the hearing damage people are going to have from now from a blast. BET, she was crazy I never in my life you know I've seen the Negro Cup of green embroiled about you. Know he was. Doom bug light the barbecue he's alive better now you know this fat, he couldn't wait to eat and Near Light Degree one day and for the Ram in late. To the paper over in trash, and so often I'll tell ya the smoke alarm going off and the keys upset like Mama. Did we tell you not to cook I'm like ain't fucking cooking wasn't TV 'cause I was long ago I said would smuggle long-gone are for I go outside the whole trash can on Birkdale burn up the trash fucking trace game by a wide open I su- fingers. Bark then she up so I had to call them as for no. So had to pay for the guy demonstrators. Yet pay for. Little more for good nature. Pick up their pay a trace burnt out Wayne. As a you son of a bitch common garage door. I know my I do some stupid mouth. Now Randy granddaddy through the House and Burn Trash Game Day, this garage project just third time is not going to be the charm. Fortune Cookie saying might WANNA keep. Interest. Try Not to but I, hope I hope I pray that you know. They they find people alive and hope everything be Okay but there was some scary sheet an bay roof right? Mayor Beirut Beirut B., I R. Ut. Bay Route. We'll be as they gotta do obey Route Day and you root for beyond say. Only. What the fuck are you telling? You're not helping her phonetic. Phonetically, o-negative sees. Out At bullshit. So, we'll be praying for people in. Beirut Lebanon. Lebanon Lebanon Lebanon. Laminate beyond say exactly you're getting you. Great. Dion we've made real progress, fuck We'll wrap and we're GONNA wrap lemonade and Lebanon and beyond say and no jacking and I put my fucking shoes on a day right to go walk and I can't fucking walk. So. We'll wrap it over. There must little told her we'll wrap it up with that we. Know what a way to end, but we love you guys and thank you for tuning in. Thank you so much for tuning into another episode of the pet down. Make sure you check out my website at Miss Pat Company, Dot Com for all of my social media, my tour dates my book make sure you spread the word about my podcast as please rate every beep. Please rate a review a share. Seca. alabi Ms Pat.

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