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REShow: Verne Lundquist. Hour 1 (04-15-19)

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REShow: Verne Lundquist. Hour 1 (04-15-19)

"Thank you for listening to this podcast one sports net. Production available on apple podcasts and podcast. One. Hey, it's shaggy now that the NBA also we can is over. It's time for the second half of the season to get underway. It's a tight battle in both the western and eastern conferences as teams vying for playoff position that I've been saying for months, there's only one place again on all the action, then online dot AG sign up today for a free account and use the promo code podcast one. And when you make your first deposit you'll receive a fifty percent bonus. That's promo code podcast, one NBA savings heating up. Don't miss out on all the fund better line dot AG, online sportsbook experts experts experts. Our number one of show number one of this week in April two thousand nineteen we're on the air from the AT and T studios. You're humble host rich Eisen rich Eisen on Twitter at rich Eisen show is how you can tweet with the show eight four four zero four rich is how you can call in and tell us where you were who you were with when tiger did it, and I have to start this program by giving kudos to my friend across the aisle. And I don't say that because we disagree on things where this is a bipartisan program. Good to see you. Chris Brockman rich could have been saying for weeks looking at this. Coming Sunday just being yesterday you've been saying for weeks that it's going to be an epic Sunday. It's going to be the game of thrones return, which you know, all of us here on this show where we're excited we're diehards. We're we're we're into it. I love it. But you're like it's going to be great. Patrick Reid is going to slip the jacket on the shoulders of Tiger Woods. And then we're going to sit back, and we're going to watch game of thrones return, and that's. That's exactly what happened yesterday. I still can't believe it. Oh my gosh. I can't believe I know. I'm like starting to tear up right now just thinking, you know, and and that's what I really wanna get into here is why are we so emotional about this? Why why what why does this mean so much, you know? And maybe it's because it's history repeating itself in the fact that this was Tigers, Jack Nicklaus moment. This was his Eighty-six masters moment. Although Jack was three years older when he won in his third different decade as tiger joining Jack as the only players in the history of the masters to win in three different decades. He won in the nineties one in the autzen, then yesterday snuck one in then last year of this decade two thousand nineteen. That he was a forty three year old. Jack was a forty six year old to forty year old guys to all time greats two guys who are one two on the all time majors leaderboard, and the fact that one generation for Jack had that moment. Now our generation have this moment. And then there was the generational moment for tiger. Where in nineteen Ninety-seven? He strode off and hugged. His dad Earl and yesterday in two thousand nineteen he strolls off the green any hugs, his son. And there's a little tiger. If you will. And he's a dad now, and he was a son. Then now he's a dad and they're both wearing red just like tiger was wearing red. When he hugged Daryl back in nineteen Ninety-seven. And that's when I started feeling it 'cause my five year old daughter and tell them I eight year old son, my ten year old son for years about Tiger Woods years. And as they grew up that they really, you know, were really like either tiger wasn't in the tournament. And there I was that person saying let me tell you. Tell you about this kid tiger. And I would tell them about how terrific he was and how dominant he was and how in terms of any sport the greatest. The greatest about how transformational he was. And I would try and explain to them to about how tiger doesn't look like. The rest of the golfers and players who were winning championships for decades before him or after. And how he changed the way that people are interested in golf. He changed the way that people are paid in golf. I mean, I'm trying to tell them and also changed the way that people play golf courses were made longer because of him. And in terms of the way, he changed the way that people are paid to play golf yesterday. Tiger Woods is winning. Check. To win the masters was two point one million dollars. When he won the master's, and it was his first major victory as well. In nineteen ninety seven the entire prize pool. Check the entire prize pool for the entire field was two point seven million dollars. See his prize check yesterday was six hundred thousand dollars less than the entire purse. Available for the nineteen Ninety-seven field to split up. And so I'm trying to and so to see in real time his greatness in two thousand nineteen. And to see him do it with my kids. Now able to see it really got me emotional. It really it really broke me up. And then I thought to myself. All right. Let me psychoanalyze this a little deeper because Suzy walks room. She's like why do we care so much like what what why does this mean so much to us right now? Yeah. It's really hard to explain you got emotion and emotional just thinking about it right now. And then maybe it's just the fact that no matter what comes our way as people in the world that there. Anybody listening to me right now watching the show right now all have trials and tribulations in our personal information professional lives as well. That no matter how difficult it can be that. When it all comes down to it. Whatever beats inside your chest. Whatever is inside your temples. Whatever you have as a person as a a competitor as somebody who loves doing what they do or loves their family in a way. That no matter what obstacles are placed in front of you. You can do it. You can do it. Now, maybe sit there and say, I don't have the same God given abilities as Tiger Woods. So what? Maybe that's what it is. And maybe it is that he's a flawed, man. And the number of times that I tweeted about tiger yesterday. How excited I was for his win. Maybe you know, there are enough haters out there. I got a lot of people back saying, well, you told your kids that he did drugs, you tone, his kids that your kids that he got pulled over you telling his kids what happened with his wife, and I'm like, yeah. I did. He and his wife had problems. He had some problems with trying to you know, obviously, I put it in his money kids terms as possible trying to get better. He got sick. He got hurt. That. Yeah, he's a flog, man. And this is a guy who just a couple of years ago. According to reports couldn't even sit up straight in a car. Couldn't even sit up straight in a car. And we don't know how deep whatever Tigers afflictions were in taking medication. The fact that he slipped on a green jacket yesterday. Could mean so much to so many millions of people if we do ever find out that side of the story, and yeah, I know what happened with him in his personal life. But he's out there. Winning green jacket in two thousand nineteen is a forty three year old man with a bad back. And he didn't just do it. As simply a forty three year old guy with a bad back. He did it in a manner that nobody else's really ever had to do. It was the last time they moved up a teatime time to nine in the morning for the entire field. But the latest daytime when was the last time that they put three guys in a grouping. I don't know if that's ever happened. I was the last time they did that. So for all of us out there in the world that were doubting Tiger Woods, and I was one of them. We're all doubting them. Although I don't believe I ever came on this set. You can tell me, you can fact check me and folks out there if you have a receipt to send me fine. I'll I'll own it. But I don't remember ever saying he would never do it again. I don't think he's ever going to win. Again. I don't think he can ever win again. You know, it was really dark before this dawn yesterday. But he was the forty three out of anyone in that field other than Saint Bernard longer or any of the other seniors that are out there. For you to win the masters in two thousand nineteen if you made the cut. And you didn't know this when you were teeing off on Saturday to win the masters you most likely had to play thirty six holes in a little over twenty four hours. Tiger Woods step to the T on Saturday at two and two o'clock, essentially, I think it was like two three to five he plays eighteen holes shoots sixty seven then has to turn around and tee off at nine twenty the next morning. And he said he got up at four thirty. What we yeah, Amanda Bali Ona's we met back in the day with her Calloway connection as the show has asked him a question. Like, what's your plan? Gonna being like I'm gonna wake up three forty five in the morning to do is back exercises, or whatever you want to. He's got to get out there. So he then had to turn around. He stepped off the course around two thirty in the afternoon. About twenty four hours and twenty some odd minutes after he teed off for his first hole of the third round. And if we ever told you Tigers gonna win another master's come on, really, yes. And not only that he's going to have to play his final thirty six holes, by the way with the tightest grouping atop the leaderboard. I think it was only the second tightest grouping atop the leaderboard in the history of the masters going into the third round. Not only would have to negotiate all of that. But he will have to do it with his surgically repaired back by playing his thirty six final holes in a little bit over twenty four hours with having to get asleep, and and dinner and breakfast and all of that and the rain and the wind that's how he won his two thousand nineteen masters. It is truly on believable. And maybe that's why it means so much to me to to be personal. I mean, the show is I would say it's on my name's on the name of the bug. But I have my ex capital billions mug out here. Nice. Any had to do it against the guy that beat him in the British Open. Oh, sure, he stared down Brooks KEPCO lost last year in the PGA, and we'll get deep into throughout this the three hours of the of the nuts and bolts, but in terms of my personal aspect of it. I'm I'm turning fifty in June. And just maybe just maybe and for anybody out. There was turning fifty or sixty seventy my folks are. Knock on wood eight years old, plus. Maybe your best years are in front. I think that's you know, again, I know it's just a game. It's sports, but sports can be a hell of a metaphor. If I'm not mistaken, both Trump and Obama tweeted, congratulations to Tiger Woods. Okay. So sports is. A great UniteR definer metaphor. Maybe just maybe seeing tiger at an advanced age for his sport. Doing what he's doing is a lesson for everybody. Keep going keep trying. Honestly that was. That's why you watch sports. That's why you wanna play it yesterday. I think in terms of just looking for why matter so much nostalgia matters. Like, we're in a stall GIC being by nature. I think and tiger winning and his epic. Ron it made us think back to great times. I know for me. I could always talk to my dad about watching. Tiger woods. We don't. We don't have the greatest relationship. But we could always talk about this. And that's just that's what I was feeling yesterday. That's what your personal feeling emotional right now. It means a lot sports of the greatest thing of all time. And like I tweeted out if you don't get it. I'm sorry for you. But what's going through all of us right now it it's indescribable. It really is. Yeah. We thought of Suzy's Nanno who passed away over the age of one hundred all she would do on the weekends or predominant watch. Tiger Woods thought about her and the same people thought when the cubs win the World Series that sort of stuff, it's a similar thing. Although it didn't it just felt like a hundred years since Tiger Woods won a major. Did it felt like it? Eight four four two zero four rich number two dollar. If you wanna share your stories with us for more than open to that Verne Lundquist who is in the sixteenth t essentially, we all know the twelfth hole was a big. Game changer for everybody. But tiger where everybody was firing at the stick. And didn't put the good swing on it or didn't have the gumption whatever's going on their heads. And then the ball leaked into Ray's creek for everybody. But tiger wood just decided to say what Nick Faldo pointed out. That's the Jack Nicklaus move. I'm just gonna put it between the front and back mongers, I'm not I'm not I'm not far in at the pin. Kind of help that everybody before him and during his during his T on twelve put it in the water, but the sealer the game sealer was after he took the lead. After he took the lead. He steps to the the tea box on sixteen and you're wondering yourself. Okay. How's it going? Now. He's he's got the lead with three to go. He was tied for it with four to go. He's got the lead with three to go. What's going to happen now? And that was the moment are tiger from back in the day showed up. That's the moment where he steps to the team. He steps to the T an iced it and he damn near hold it out. Now, the VAT is what we were talking about to the younger generation that. Is what we were telling you about that. Tiger Woods that one. Yeah. I've got the lead right now. And if you're wondering do I still really haven't left in me, how am I going to close it out? Here's going to close it out almost to hand rip it dunk it right into the Cup and sixteen eight eight inches from the hole and what and the man who was calling that who also called his chip that rolled in threat years ago. Time wanted them Hesters the man who's yes, sir. The Jack Nicklaus ERO still rings today. Verne Lundquist is going to join us in just a matter of moments. Also, Gabe Kaplan is going to be on this show. His Philadelphia Phillies are in first place in the National League east taking on the Mets tonight and Noah Syndergaard in Philadelphia. The manager of Bryce Harper in his first few games, and I several years in Philadelphia where swimming maybe you will be there the entire time gave is going to join this program, and oh, by the way in ten days from now, we're going to have somebody five foot ten and. One eighth be named the first overall selection in the draft. So we figured why not dial up a guy who's five foot ten. As he was back in his day playing when everybody thought he's got no shot. I we've been asking off air for a long time. Here. What is Doug Flutie think about all the kind of Murray town so is gonna join us fresh off the Notre Dame spring game that he was part of on NBC. So that's how we're rolling here on this. Busy, Monday, eight foot four two full riches, the number to dial. We will take your phone calls here on a yes tiger. Did. It can't believe has happened. We are poke questioned surrounds all that to edition of the rich Eisen show. Everybody's got a to do list. 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But will never listen. We'll let his work ethic. Do the talking for him. Always in a gym always running drills will new where there was a will. There was a way and he was will. But then after a second child was born be realized the pros were all way better than him. So we'll give up and buried his high tops in a tearful ceremony. But one day he heard that Geico could save money on car insurance. So he switched and saved a bunch, which was awesome. The last time in two thousand five Tiger Woods had a one shot lead. He stood on his teeth. He also had an eight honor. He does this look. The Tigers hunted them down. And now he's going in for the kill. Oh, man. I don't know about you. I'm just getting emotional just even seeing that again in hearing that again, I got up all of my Duff, and I'm screaming go in go in go in unbelievable almost went in on sixteen. And when again moments like, these masters like that all you want to know is like where does that rank just put it in perspective? So who better to help us with that than a man who's been calling the masters since nineteen eighty three many of those years in the tower at sixteen as he was stationed yesterday Verne Lundquist back here on the program. How are you burn? Rich. I'm doing great. And it's always a privileged to chat with you after something like we all witness yesterday. Yeah. I'm right back at you. I feel the same way and I greatly. Appreciate that. So I'll ask you the open ended question here. But where where does this rank Vern, do you think it's it's up there? You know? My Paul back was on that question because I've been so blessed not only here, but in different than years in different sports. But my number one has always gone back to eighty six with Jack. And and I was lucky enough to have the troll of the putt from seventeen that gave him the lead. My number two in golf has always been twenty five when taika chipped in at sixteen. I was lucky enough to be there and believe me you jumped up when when he hit that shot, and it came to rest I had to push the. Cloth key because I feel myself tearing up, and I thought we're not going to have a breakdown on national television that was not the appropriate. And so I kept a cough Keith down until I got my composure back and the enormity of this story in so many respects is overwhelming with and I've I've watched guys on golf channel ARD guys and tiger did something very very gracious yesterday. When we did our our repeat after going through, the pressroom and all the other requests, he had he went back down to Butler cabin for a second time and went live with the gymnast, Nick Faldo. And it was I don't know tiger would have done something like that in two thousand five, but that's a factor in why we all love I think everybody loves what happened yesterday because it. It's just a magnet person story of not only have let -ccomplish but personal redemption for an Lundquist here on the rich Eisen show described the scene to me just looking around from your perspective in the tower. Just watching everybody. Go nuts when that ball almost hold out on sixteen. Please. Well, it's it's I'm very very prejudice. Obviously. But I've been sitting at that spot for twenty years now, and in my view, yes, I know eleven and twelve is very special obviously surrounding eighteen but at sixteen. They almost encircle all of the green around the pond and behind it up on the hill. I can sit behind the tower and look at second third shots at fifteen and putz, obviously, I can turn behind me and physically see the six told and what's going on there, and I can watch T shots and seventeen. So I don't think anybody who's privileged to be at Augusta National has a better viewing spot in me. And to watch the emotion, it's so different. And he's so different. And I think that's what makes us such an amazing compelling story that we can all brace. He's you know. And he's he's he's I'm I'm a better human being gymnasts. I thought having a great day, and he had a great. Great note when he did the interview with tiger live that. Say Charlie the son had written his dad note and said dad, my my I guess for Christmas. I'm not sure my my one wishes to see you when of golf tournament and Tigra alluded to that at the open last year. He had his kids Charlie and Sam with him. And he they'll go short. So this and the hut. The embrace. That he gave both those guys and his mother was something that will series for as long as we have memories Verne Lundquist here on the rich Eisen show. What are the, you know, some are obvious? Some might not be which is why I'm asking you the similarities between tiger twenty nineteen in Jack nineteen Eighty-six Vern well age import I listened to the golf channel guys. And they got hold of Jack on the phone last night in the Bahamas. He had been here during the week. I happened to see him after the champions dinner on Tuesday night. And and he said he watched all the turn from from the tiny the way Jack. But from the time Molinari found Molnar found the water at twelve and and went down in the green Jackson. I knew tiger was gonna win. This thing. Jack was forty six Tigers forty three. So that too. Oldest champions ever at Augusta. They are arguably the two greatest golfers who've ever lived all of a sudden, I was among those I didn't think he had a chance to years ago coming back and playing, and I didn't believe rich that he was changed person. I now understand that he truly is that he's he's he's changed the way he approaches his life and his interactions with people that may be the most endearing thing about all this, and then the physical accomplishment of what he did was was comparable to what Jack Jack dot. Shop thirty on the back nine. At the age of forty six. That's and he said yesterday, you know, nobody wants to have their records broken. But he said I was hearing tiger like everybody else. Tigers knock that fifty majors and he's still three sure Jack, and I'm still inclined to not I inclined to not believe he's going to catch Jack. But I'm less so inclined that I was yesterday morning at nine o'clock. Yeah. I I'm with you to Verne Verne Lundquist here and the rich Eisen show. And again, I don't know how much of the broadcast that you are taking in because obviously you've got stuff right there in front of you. There were two aces on sixteen yesterday in particular. But again, the fact that so many of those he was competing with yesterday. Put it in the water on twelve and then he did the typical Jack Nicklaus shot which is just put it between the two bunkers be safe. Play it safe. Get your three get out of dodge and win a tournament. And and and I'm wondering if you've seen a that sort of progression in Tigers play as well from what you I saw him and. Witnessed yesterday. What I saw yesterday. Jack, Jack, listen to me. I'll take. The mode of you know, I appreciate I'll take his Bahamas yacht to Verne. I'll do that. I'm battling bronchitis. Anyway. Well, you now yesterday I'll tell you that and the whole week great. Physically was something. I mean, he told people champions dinner two years ago, I'm done, and and I don't think any of them it. And I think we all believe that he would never compete and so to go through an and we all know about personal problems and his desire to to overcome that. But the physical difficulty the surgeries the back surgeries the knee surgeries. And and I mean, I saw the interview that he did Saturday afternoon about well, how do you prepare since we're going early tomorrow? We'll timely you get up. He said I'll be up at three forty five in the morning to do is stretching exercises, man. That's go commitment. I don't know that many many men have well Vernon. It was just great watching it again. And just just great that the fact that you're in that tower. Our and that you can connect these two generations, these two generational performances. It's just really neat, man. And I, and I'm I guess, you know, you you have the ability to sit back and take it all in his great. Well, and and, you know, high feel about you, and I'm I'm honored to the end with you, especially since we tend to do this after great moments in sports that we both enjoy. Thank you, really. Appreciate the the time in let's chat again down the road. Appreciate it. You've got to promise you, you bet. It's Verne Lundquist here on the rich Eisen show. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. That was his call on seventeen for Jack get news mums Jack takes lead on seventeen tiger had lead coming into sixteen. But when he when he nearly jotted out that was it now like, okay? Okay. And you know, KEPCO needed to birdie eighteen to really put a little pressure on tiger. Johnson came out of nowhere. You gotta shot eight birdies in so again for those who are new to this tiger victory thing. There's always these fingerprints to them. And the fingerprints are people who he's competing against fall apart. Because there's the pressure of knowing that you've got a guy you're competing against he's not only physically. Better than you. But he's mentally better than you that that that was the thing about was so surprising of Tigers personal life falling apart is that in his professional career. It was all about beating you ripping out your heart and show it to you pumping. That's why he's compared to Michael Jordan. That's the only comparison. Is Michael Jordan for Tiger Woods. There's no other comparison because he would just destroy you competing you and wanted to make sure that you were in left in a fetal position when he beat you. That's why when his personal life fell apart. That's allowing you not only into his mind. But also providing enough off the course material for him to not be as sharp on. The course. So not only physically better than you. He's mentally better than you. So the other guys start putting it in a drink putting it in water. And that's when I'm begging I beginning to believe in the same way that Jack said, hey, every putting in the water on twelve this Tigers, he's going to do this. But he's forty three with a bad back trying to win this thing in a span of twenty four hours. With thirty six holes. And again, let's put this up on the screen his he's like the operation guy from the from the game is now. Yeah. Where the number of maladies that he has come back from read it off alway to torn as C L A neck injury in twenty ten sprain. Mc L and achilles. In twenty eleven the Phillies. Just flat out have an issue in two thousand twelve back surgery in twenty fourteen fifteen in the spinal fusion 2017, which causes me to wonder you can help me out on this. So I know he wins. And he's hugging family members. I hadn't seen his mom in years. And you know, we're walking in a recognized his his his agent Mark Steinberg Steininger refers to and then just a couple of guys. He was hugging. It's one of them his back surgeon. I'm just wondering I don't know should have had because or her, you know, I mean, it's. Because that person deserves a big hug. I don't know who is the the back. But I'll tell you what it really is amazing that he could be better than you physically. That that he's not wilting physically and books. Kepco looks like he swallowed every member of the hockey family out there playing golf wearing this mediums. Good. So he so tiger in wilt physically and mentally again on twelve here's what I'm gonna do. Everybody's in the drink. I'm not going for that stick. That's fools gold. I'm gonna get I'm gonna get safe. His surgeon is a guy named Dr Richard Geyer from plano, Texas. There you go. Dr guy paging Dr Geyer, you should get a jacket to. Yeah. Yeah. And men mentally again. He's got the lead going to sixteen. And he knows exactly what place it. He knows every he knows every nook and cranny of that course, twenty-second masters, by the way. But the slope. I thought it was going in. I thought it was going to didn't you? I thought it was how about a Vernson he had his cough button on again for those who may not know the cough button is what what kills your microphone either cough button or del tufo, inadvertently Adam in Indiana. Let's take phone call real quick here. What's going on? How you doing? Adam. I'm doing good. Thank you for having me on thanks for calling. What's on your mind? Well, I just appreciate what you guys were talking about with family Brockman and brought up his father. And if he could you could talk to him about tiger at similar experience. My father passed in two thousand sixteen do the stroke related issues the experience of about twenty years ago. But so he lost a lot of his speech. But again, I could talk about tiger love tiger. He watched them all the time. I father couldn't leave his house because because of physical problems, but he watched tiger on TV all the time. And so that was a connection that we had we didn't have the greatest relationship. But being able to talk to him brought up see see tiger win yesterday. Just brought up all those emotions and get stuff. And I appreciate what you guys talk about. Tiger didn't only transcend the sport. But just families, and you know, people are casual fans watching so just get stuff. And I appreciate what you guys talked about. With the context of the call. Thanks for the call. A you got stories like this. We're willing to take him today. Eight four four two zero four rich. Appreciate you sharing that and YouTube Brockman you to. Let's take a break when we when we come back here. We'll sit up the rest of the show the NBA playoffs for interesting. If they were any you guys on your phone right now. I've felt all I know is I I know I know what Sixers brass. Felt on Saturday is I'm staring right at you, Mike del tufo, and you might not even know what I'm talking about do know what I'm talking about at all. No, okay. Fantastic. I don't fans of this show and fans of the NBA playoffs know exactly what I'm talking about. No, we'll get into that. And the ratings from from the masters are in I've seen some of them. Make that part of your news update. We'll hit on that. NBA playoffs are underway and the President's Cup winner of the regular season in the NHL backs against the wall. That's a rarity as well. That's coming up as Gabe. 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You could've used those fifteen click bait minutes to switch your motorcycle insurance to Geico. Geigo fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on motorcycle insurance. Threes studying they're on the brink of stealing. And they did do that. Great. Call by Ryan Ruko on ESPN one of the shockers of the weekend. Look Orlando beating Toronto and Augustine having a hell of a day and car Larry going bagel zero while boys that God just is he just hot or cold. There is no warm center with that guy. He's gonna show up. Yeah. And torch you or not even totally no show. So how about this? Because again, all we do is talk about season, long narratives, and then and it takes forever to get to the NBA playoffs to finally pay stuff off. Okay. And then there's the narratives about July first, which I'll get to later in the show, right? With durant? 'cause he sure looked like to me is a guy who is thinking about the Knicks while he was beating the crap out of the clippers before he Patrick Beverley barked at each other enough to finally get the gate both of them. We'll get to that in a second or later on. But how about this coli? Leonard leaves the Spurs. He wants out. He wants a new spot. He wants to go somewhere. Because of we still don't know. But for whatever reason he's the only one that we know of who's as great as he is who couldn't get along with Gregg Popovich or needed to get away from him. And in case you just need a fresh reminder of what Gregg Popovich is all about. Who else wanna road this weekend? For game one. That's the Spurs. It's unbelievable. They are the patriots in the NBA. Now, they may not win at all. But if the patriot if the Spurs were fortunate enough to have with the patriots have which is sport where you're one in done like literally no series. You get one game on shot one shot at it, Spurs whatever year. They always gave one. We talk about them being the patriots in the NBA, and they are. Where it's just doesn't matter. Just keep keep changing the players, but the system or the coaches the difference maker, and there's always one guy on the team. They just don't have their Brady anymore. Really's lamarcus Aldridge their Brady. I don't know. But all those that if they had the ability to be in a league where it's just one playoff game and done Spurs win every year. They wanna I want against the nuggets how about that. And then there's the nets. Beating the Sixers with the Angelo Russell. Doing his thing. While the guy who. Tormented supposedly at least the narrative here in in Los Angeles. Remember Daniel, Russell, what Snapchat at something. He shouldn't have with swaggie P and all that business. Remember that? Yeah. And it was indicative of his youth and inability to be professional immature and who's the one who helped run out of town in a way Magic Johnson. Yeah. Can you get his tweet ready? Evan. While I walk through the story of the weekend is well. Is that? Joel Embiid was caught looking at a phone that was being held out by Amir Johnson. Who isn't even active for the game? They're looking at cell phone now after the game Embiid said that Johnson was his said that his kid was sick. And he was really concerned about needing update on his sick child. And so looking down at it. Now, that's what I'm talking about with you, sir, social media or checking phones or checking devices when you're supposed to be focused on the task at hand. I never do. I. It's a bad. Look, obviously, if he's worried about a sick kid, we they've got to come up with a better system to let him know. Maybe it's phone is in the hand of somebody else. He addressed it after the game and didn't mention anything about as. Well. That's what I'm beats it. Too bad. Look now dream on green tweeted out about it. Did you see what he had to say? No, Draymond green says why anybody was upset about it. Right. What you check your phone at work, right? Now, I check my phone at work, but not like during the segment right now right now when you and I are having a conversation conversation with the rich Eisen show audience. I'm not like what Sade say that again. Right or looking down at my phone to see that sort of thing. And we don't have specific rules in place that prohibit this. Just a bad. Look, certainly when they lose at home got smoked and DeAngelis. Russell how terrific is he? So at least at least the man who helped run him out of town here in Los Angeles. He's unburdened to tweet whatever he wants about. Now, I hate being snarky about magic. You know, what I mean that was one of the reasons he kind of deserved it's totally desert. So so what is magic tweeting about now? Now that he's absolutely unburdened. He's no longer an executive. So you could tweet stuff out that could be provocative could be inciteful could be do you have it. Can we put up on the screen right here? Magic johnson. I've had a great Saturday watching the NBA playoff games. Exclamation point. The nets shocked the Sixers in the magic did the same to the raptors Golden State played like champs today. His Jonah was literally to watch and evaluate basketball. That's his job. Oh my gosh. And he's tweeting out. He's got a great day. Watching the games I did too. I mean, I did too. To. But it's it's not an of coral, by the way, the Lakers fired Luke Walton, no, pardon me, mutually parted ways with him. Come on come on Lucas Rodman. There's not there's avid after five minutes. Right. And then the kings of hired him. Yeah. So I think the kings are better positioned. I think he's in good shape. And the only thing I'd be concerned about if I'm Luke Walton is a former Lakers my boss again. But you know. So Lucas may also not know what he's doing. So he's out the door from the leg. They mutually parted ways. By the way, there's ninety fig-leaf large enough to cover the the mutually parted. Wow. And so he's going to come to the kings are the kings are better position right now than the Lakers. When you think certainly record was certainly roster wise thank. What is the Broncos can have all this week on vacation, which he has every right to be. I don't care how many videos sweeten out about him, dancing, or whatever. Good for is wife since the what? Great awesome. Let them enjoy time with his kids every right to do that. It's fine. Agreed. Isn't it April? It's fine. But at some point he's going to have to come back to work. And and I don't know what's going on here. Barkley invited him to come on the T set. He'd be great at that too. VR live. 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Verne Lundquist, Play-by-Play Commentator

The Sporting Life with Jeremy Schaap

15:17 min | 2 years ago

Verne Lundquist, Play-by-Play Commentator

"Squirrels are known for saving. But with the help of AARP, they won't be the only ones from planning to budgeting AARP is here to help you stretch your dollar further. So take on today and every day with AARP learn how at take on today dot AARP. These the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Here's Jeremy shop. Verne Lundquist is one of the most beloved and respected figures, the annals of sports broadcasting he's the recipient of the National Academy of television arts and sciences lifetime achievement award a couple of years ago, but awards don't begin to tell the full story of what he is meant to the industry into the millions who've listened to his voice over the last five decades is new book is play by play calling the wildest games in sports from SEC football to college basketball, the masters and more, and it is an honor to welcome for Lundquist the sporting life, burn. Thank you for being with us. Jeremy as I told you before we came on, it's my privilege. I've admired your work for many many many years. Well, not that many. It's very kind of you to say now, there's so many incredible moments that you didn't just witness, but that you were able to describe to millions of people on television. How did you view your responsibilities as the person communicating to the television audience, what was going on in these stadiums and arenas? Why I think this is true of almost all of us who are lucky enough to pursue this craft and to make a living at it. I think especially I I would guess is a play by play guy as opposed to a studio host. I go into each counter. Whether it's football basketball golf or figure skating for crying out loud. The my hope is that something memorable will occur and. And then the challenge is to be verbally appropriate to the moment in order to enhance the appreciation for whatever it is just a place for the viewer or listener. And I've been really blessed over the years to not not just one but more than more than three or four and a lot of guys whom we both know go through their careers anticipating and hoping for something memorable and it doesn't happen. So I don't think any of this for granted. And I do believe that, you know, for the most part what I what I've had to say work to enhance what we what we just saw. Now. Of course, we're speaking with Verne Lundquist. His new book is play by play calling the. Wildest gapes in sports from SEC football to college basketball at the master's and more. When you think about the wildest things ever in sports. It's hard not to come back to Lilla Hamad, Norway and February nineteen ninety four and the events leading up to the ladies figure skating competition at those Winter Olympics. What was it like being a part of that? Well, I use this site side comment in speeches. I'm probably the only one in the room who knows Tonya Harding and Terry Bradshaw. Well, it all began on the what the that was hurt round the world that was in January sick on January six of ninety four Nancy. Kerrigan was practicing and then just patient of competing in the US nationals in Detroit as she was leaving the practice. Right. Thug named shame stand. What her on her left knee in hopes of not in a her being injured to accept that? She couldn't compete in the Olympics. And it turns out the wellspring of that hope. With knowledge a forehand of it with John you hardy and her ex husband who occasioned the whole thing that began the cartoon show that lasted for six weeks. And I it was extraordinarily. I mean, these these two young women, Nancy Kerrigan and Tonya Harding were portrayed as contrast in people, and and actually their backgrounds were not that dissimilar. I think their personalities were Tanya was the roughing up and comer from Oregon hood who had had a very bad social life homelife, but Nancy's dad was a workman. He was a plumber and she grew up east of Boston on the Cape. And but Daniela Brinda Kerrigan just you know, they a middle class family. But I think CBS in particular, and I think all of us bore some responsibility. I would attribute that responsibility much more to the news department, then to the sports because commie Charlie in particular was coined Graham. I don't mean to disparage her at all I love her nowhere. Well, but she grabbed a singing ran with it. And she was helped by decisions made by by by the news up to and including the fact that she co anchored the evening news with Dan rather from the ice rink and little but the the day up the competing skaters was a Wednesday in late February and. And there was a found. What Scott Hamilton had predicted. It would be a time. You've finished eighth after the first the compulsory and Nancy. Kerrigan was in pursed followed by this little sprite named ex-army by you who ultimately wanted. And here's my opportunity to to give an example that hype works the ratings for that night. We had a forty eight point five share, which means almost it was unbelievable. That was unbelievable in American. Yeah. And and the estimate of the crowd, the Ewing audience has been downsized, but it was then listed twenty years ago. Twenty twenty five years ago told me. Yeah. It I I was a math major. It was listed. There may be as a hundred and twenty six million viewers now. Now, the only things I recall at that time, the only thing that had been seen by more people bigger television audience in the history of American television was the final episode of mash, and since then I believe it's been surpassed only by one Super Bowl one of the patriots Super Bowls. I think you're absolutely on the Mark and it still the non highest the highest rate of non Super Bowl ever seen by an American audience and the ad Tanya. Well, the the championship I it was bizarre as well. She apparently broke her shoelace. And I think a lot of people remember that she was late getting on the ice. And she was almost a a very competition. Bootlace broke. Doc, and but all the attention became focused again on her our intent as CBS I bring her on a leather skates her format performance, get her marks and wish her well. And then concentrate, especially on the last group of six six skaters. Well, it didn't work out that way because when Tanya asks for was granted, the re-skate because of -ment malfunction, and that was just improper onto rules that threw everything out of whack all of a sudden a young lady's name Jos asianart Canada who was expecting to compete. Maybe eight minutes later, she was said get on the ice, you're up and then subsequently all the followers were affected by. So obviously, it's a it's a big part of my career. And through it. All I forged a friendship with Scott Hamilton that lasts until this day. We're speaking with Verne Lundquist. His new book is play by play calling the wildest games in sports from SEC football to college basketball, the masters and more. And I gotta tell you earn before we move on. I was working for Iraq man in the broadcast center during those Olympics. I was the writer on the primetime show. So I was writing for Greg Gumbel. And I remembered the the excitement around the broadcast center, particularly ladies figure skating competition. There was nothing like it. Even though it was taking place on tape. The ratings were out of control, and when it was all over, and they had that footage of Nancy waiting for the medal ceremony, and she got a little testy. You remember because he was taken so long, you know. Yes. I I had no idea. You're a writer on that staff. I can't believe I never knew that. And you know, what Jeremy that gives me an occasion to come kind of to the fence of Nancy Kerrigan because that sequence was was can dance. And here's what happened the guy. I hadn't talked about this part of it. I am forever. Mansi at just lost a gold medal by one tenth of one point because Alexandra through triple in our last element in the program and a judge John Hoffman from Germany gave her the tiebreaker via ten point. She was standing backstage and right behind her was Chen Lu. The bronze finisher from from China the. The weight when on forever. It had to be a good twenty minutes before the medal ceremony began. Well, Nancy leave out and asked are cameramen. What is the delay and David Finch who's one of the best camera guys ever in the business anchors all of our Gulf goes nineteen now David said because he didn't know and he said, I don't know. I think they're waiting for off sun to put on her makeup now. I remember I remember. Yeah. But it was actually they couldn't find the national anthem ethics statement. Exactly. Like she came thirtieth. And I'm half. Norwegian apologize them the half of the scandal. Maybe it's your Sonja Henie guy. It with Vern Lindquist play by play his new book. And we spent a lot of time, obviously. So far talking about the nineteen Ninety-four four ladies figure skating competition, which was epic. But for so many people, of course, you are even more closely associated with SEC football with the master's with everything that's gone on. I got to work at some of those network sports divisions in the early nineties as a writer as producer times. And it was kind of the tail end of the great golden age of broadcast sports television. And and everybody who was exposed to it at the kind of jealous because you guys had so much fun in the budgets were unlimited. And you went all over the world. You've got to do everything. What does it mean to you to be part of that team at CBS sports almost literally got to do everything for all those years? Well, you get pumped up. I'm outta the call Shawn mcmanus's say. Volunteer. I'll come back because I think you're right. Those work, and and and especially true, Jeremy is your notation about unlimited budgets. The the the coffers were overflowing back them, and they are not now. I mean, our our executives are charged with keeping their eye on the budget. But I couldn't remember early. Now. This would be eighty two eighty three. I can remember doing Texas Tech at Texas am football game. And our producer was authorized to hire a private plane. It was not a jet, but who cared the purpose of which was to fly from college station, Texas to Dallas. So the guys the pre production team overnight in Dallas and guests. The first flight out. But let's say and that was not that was not uncommon. Great in the police escorts all that stuff. Oh my God. Vern I could go on all day. I know you have other commitments it is really an honor to have you on the show one of the greats of all time one of the most charming and well loved people in our business Verne Lundquist new book is play by play calling the wildest games and sports from SEC football to college basketball, the masters in more Vern, thank you for being with us. Germany my honor. I enjoyed it immensely. Thank you so much. I'm Jeremy shop, and you can listen to new editions of the sporting life every Saturday and Sunday morning on ESPN radio and ESPN app beginning at six AM eastern time.

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Verne Lundquist, Yosemite Climbers, Bluegrass And Football

Only A Game

49:01 min | 2 years ago

Verne Lundquist, Yosemite Climbers, Bluegrass And Football

"This message comes from only a game sponsor Samuel items. Sam Adams Boston lager offers distinctive balance of spicy hops, sweet roasted malts and smooth finish Boston beer company, Boston mass saver responsibly. This is only a game. I'm Karen, given an accidental sports caster. Do you recognize that voice now, let's try again. I'm an accidental sports caster. Here's some more clues. He's been heard by millions of football basketball Olympics in Gulf yours over the past fifty years. You might have heard during Maine twos. Much. There's the past. Two thousand five masters. In the province of the national voices. Almost exactly with Roosevelt. Here's only games. Gary Wallich Verne Lundquist grew up loving sports. He was the sports editor of his junior high and high school newspapers in Austin, Texas. But what he really wanted was to be an athlete. I mean, I was five three hundred fifteen pounds tried out for the basketball team. Made the junior varsity my sophomore year tried out again, my junior year and finally the coach came over and put his arm around me and said, I've got a suggestion. Why don't you become a cheerleader? He didn't. But Lundquist did begin to consider other career pats. His father was a Lutheran minister so Verne thought he might attend seminary. But one day he paid a visit with his father to a radio station, and I was just mesmerized. Caused by the studio and the men who were lucky enough to go in the air. He loved being surrounded by an array of dials switches meters and lights Lundquist enrolled at Texas Lutheran college as a sociology major he still thought he might go to seminary, but he couldn't stop thinking about radio. He got a gig at K W E D in sa- geen, Texas are would put the station on the air by forty five six in the morning and shut it down at sunset and my senior year got a job as a weekend district. He and announcer. I was blessed with my father's pipes and also blessed I think with a lack of fear of addressing an audience. I'd watched him in the pulpit growing up and thank God. I inherited that trait as well. Lundquist did attend seminary in Illinois for one year in the spring of nineteen sixty three. He realized that wasn't his true calling. So he returned to Austin where he was hired by KT BC as a weekend TV sports news anchor and a radio DJ. He was just twenty three years old to round out his forty hour workweek. He sometimes ran the board during radio news broadcasts, and I was doing that on the afternoon of November twenty second nineteen sixty three. My assignment was to be in the control room at noon. We do a live newscast, then they would have the weather forecast. And the last fifteen minutes they would play a tape of that day's agricultural report, the agricultural report began at twelve twenty five then at twelve thirty hell Nelson, one of our radio newscast guys broke into the control room and said put me on the air immediately. The president has been shot. Nelson gave live updates until KTBS's which to live national coverage from CBS radio anchored by Walter Cronkite ears I- bulletin from CBS news, president Kennedy has been the victim of an assassin's. Bullet in Dallas, Texas. It is not known as yet whether the president survived the attack against him. The she'll just two hundred miles on governor owned by live in and the Johnson. We had a five storey building at tenth and Brazil's in downtown Austin within a half an hour. We had secret service agents on every floor guarding every exit guarding the elevators guarding especially the front and back entrances and exits from the studios, and there was some concern. Even then that quickly that it could be. An attempted coup. Lundquist couldn't leave the building. So he drifted into the newsroom where he stood transfixed before the black and white television. And I saw Walter Cronkite. Remove is black eyeglasses and wipe a tear away from Dallas, Texas. The flash apparently official president Kennedy died at one PM central standard time, two o'clock eastern standard time, some thirty eight minutes ago. Vice-president in Johnson. The sense of loss was overwhelming. I don't think I ever stopped and cried I don't remember doing that. But there were shared moments with my colleagues of grief over what this one man had done to alter the course of our history. The Texas high school football playoffs were postponed. One week on the night of Friday, November twenty ninth Lundquist was assigned together footage of a local game for his weekend. TV sports broadcast, and I shot all my own film back that I mean, I was one man band, and I can remember getting in my car and driving to Taylor Texas about twenty miles outside of Boston and standing on the sidelines filming a playoff game between the Hutto hippos and the Taylor ducks. And I can remember standing there as a young man Greeley immersed in grief thinking, this is such a wrong thing to do. There had been debate over whether the playoffs should proceed in the wake of the assassination. I guess you could argue we'll life Scott go on. But I thought it was desperately. Inappropriate. Linquist shot the footage and used it in his Saturday report during his following three years at KT. He thought a lot about the events of November twenty second nineteen sixty three how Cronkite had covered them, and what it all meant the assassination made me aware of a much much wider world than who beat whom in the NFL or college football Linquist began to think that a position as a news anchor and not a sports anchor would be a more suitable career. I was offered a position at W O A and San Antonio to anchor the six and ten o'clock newscast. I took the position thinking, well, this'll be more dignified this forts. That was a mistake on my part. It was a mistake. He says because W O a I followed the news model used by so many other local television stations if it bleeds it leads. He couldn't stand at the top story was usually a car. Crash a fire or a murder and he began to miss sports. Lundquist left WAI less than a year after he'd started there. He began hosting Dallas Cowboys pre and post game radio broadcasts in nineteen sixty seven. He's been calling lots of sporting events ever since spring cash. Linquist is seventy eight. Now, he says he realizes how fortunate he is to have made the right career choice. Thanks in part to a sense of perspective. He gained when he dabbled in the world of the so-called real news. That's only games. Gary Wallich Verne Lundquist new book is play by play calling the wildest games in sports. All hell will break loose. That's what university of Maryland. President Wallace low told the board of regents about what would happen if football coach DJ Durkan was reinstated. And that's where we're going to start this week on three stories, you should know. I'm joined by the Boston Globe and prince yadi and the Wall Street Journal's Jason gay welcome back to both of you. I Garrett thank you. So I was totally sucked into the Maryland house appropriations committee meeting this week. That's a sentence. I never thought I'd say just a recap Maryland linemen, Jordan McNair died of heatstroke last spring investigations found instances of what I'm going to describe as abusive treatment of players the head coach was briefly reinstated. Then fired and the university president is retiring, but won't really say why. But what that university president will say to lawmakers under oath is that a university chancellor ignored his recommendation to fire coach DJ. Durkan and overstepped by bringing the coach back, and it might be totally silly of me. But I have this hope that this whole thing puts those who would put winning football games over the health and safety of players on notice. Jason I know you're gonna tell me I'm being far too optimistic. So go ahead. You might be being far too optimistic. This is yet another example of the sort of win at all costs culture, which is pervasive in college sports, and you look at a program like Maryland joined the big ten head full years ago with big plans on improving and growing its footprint in the world of football hasn't panned out that way, but you when you see the kind of conflict that was happening at the national level between the board between the president. You realize the stakes that are involved in how warped the system has become. I have a note in front of me that says Maryland is playing Ohio State this weekend smiley face smiley face. So that's two programs that have. I've been embroiled in scandal over the past year and wall a player didn't die on coach urban Meyer's watch which I think is an important distinction. He was fairly clearly involved in protecting an assistant coach who was credibly accused of domestic violence. He's going to be on the sideline this weekend. And I think that can pretty much be boiled down to the fact that urban Meyer has like a seventy nine and nine record and TJ Dirk. And I think was eleven and fifteen right. So no, I don't think that this is Representative of some shift in college at rice where everyone's going to try to do the right thing. Now, you know, every time something awful like this happens. I always find myself thinking, this is the tipping point. This is the moment. And I am always disappointed nor you're up the deadline passed for Steelers running back Leon bell to join his team play out the rest of the season. Instead, he chose not to report forfeits fourteen and a half million dollars that he would have earned fully guaranteed by playing under the franchise tag, his teammates in the locker room. They went through his stuff, but they were all, you know, getting caught on video saying, thanks for the Jordan. You know, I think it was mostly all in good fun. But the thing that's interesting about that. To me is that the whole reason this is compelling is that this is a player who's taking a stand for himself in an environment of professional football that really discourages that and we're seeing that get tested a little bit. And it's it's been really interesting to watch. Because I think maybe it'll tell us something about whether or not this kind of thing can actually force changes. But I'm sort of curious just sort of what you guys think about going into people's stuff. I mean, Karen, what would find your desk? If you ran out of the office, and everyone was ransacking your they'd get my bobbleheads. It would be terrible. Jason. Well, I'd have a lot of skittles have to share the skills. I think you're exactly right that what this is about as the tension between player rights, and what has been a long standing advantage for the ownership in the NFL. And I think the owners must have been thrilled to watch the Steelers ransack lady on bells locker they love the idea of lebian bell being demonized somehow as a guy who let down his team rather than someone sticking up for individual player rights, and that video I mean, when I watched the video of them taking the stuff, I mean, if you can steal someone stuff out of love, it seemed like, you know, they were saying, hey, thanks for this, man. Love ya. You know, and maybe maybe that was just for show. But I think it's it does bring up an interesting question because for you, and I the idea of walking away from fourteen and a half million dollars and saying is it isn't enough seems kinda crazy, but we're not an industry where the words career ended. Injury apply. You know, it's a completely different thing. And that's where he's saying. You know, I play this incredibly dangerous, right? It takes one play for a ligament to tear. So he's foregoing this year to get a contract to that. It's not about being bigger. It's about it. Having more guaranteed money, and that's a direct reflection of the fact that he's prioritizing protecting himself against a serious injury. Jason it's your turn. All right. I have a question for you. That is strictly rhetorical. How do you know when you are too big? Ooh. When you can get people to pay to see you even when they can't see you. This is the conceit behind a new gimmick from the Golden State Warriors earth most desirable basketball team in the winner of the last three out of four NBA titles. The words have a ticket waiting list that has more names than a small industrial city. So they've introduced something called the building pass which for the price of a hundred dollars a month. Entitles its bear access to the warriors home court the oracle arena. That's right. You can get in you can breathe the same oxygen Steph curry and Klay Thompson. But you can't see the game. The only assured way you'll have to see the game is watching one of those sad TV sets that hangs over the ten dollar hot dog stand. So if you can imagine as the warriors are playing your instead, roaming, the corridors of oracle arena. Like a basketball miss have a sham nine the glory denied the firsthand glory of watching Steph and Klay launch from forty feet. It is humorous is it absurdist capitalism. Probably a little bit of both. I took a few minutes out of my day, which maybe I'll come to regret and looked up the food options and yelp reviews. Llerena I'll just tell you that it has a one point five star rating on yelp in terms of concessions. Here's one I'm totally a fan of the fried chicken tenders slash garlic fries at oracle arena on the second floor by the cores light bar, not potentially. That's where people can be sitting at the core light bar and not watching the game. So I just want to warn people if they're thinking about investing in one of these passes that you're not getting access to a particularly comfortable or gourmet experience. I mean, it's interesting that you point that out because I got to say on first blush. My thought was what is the big deal? I mean people pay for those party passes. At cowboy stadium, and if you've ever seen the videos, I mean, they they like stampede into the building. And some of them are stampeding to get an actual view of the field. But some of them are just stampeding to get of you of television set. But the difference probably is that those areas. I mean, I've been there. They're super nice, they're bright. They're happy. So it does seem like maybe they are offering a few more amenities. Also, I think it's very important that the possibility of the feeding the field exists and from the sounds of those yelp reviews, you're gonna gain ninety pounds. It seemed bleak. My guests for this week's edition of three stories. You should know have been the Boston Globe SNorre prince Yati. And the Wall Street Journal's Jason gay. Thanks to both of you. Absolutely. Thank you. You're listening to only a game from NPR. This message comes from only a game sponsor Samuel Adams of all the beers. Sam Adams has ever brewed Boston lager is their all time favorite with its distinctive. Balance of spicy hops, sweet roasted Molson's mood finish. It's still the test of time and helped launch the whole craft beer revolution. Sam Adams, Boston lager, full flavored rich and complex. There's nothing quite like the taste of an original Boston beer company, Boston mass saver responsibly. I'm Eisenberg join me on NPR's ask me another as we challenge. Contestants and celebrities to nerdy word games music parodies. And punter full trivia, find us every week on the NPR one app and wherever you listen to podcasts. I'm carrying given Eighty-seven-year-old George Whitmore lives in Fresno, California border still there when George was five or six years old his parents took him to the bridge across lower Yosemite falls. They looked up at a two tiered cascade of water. Thundering over a cliff kicking up a canopy of missed over those standing below. I was pretty small. I was surrounded by all these big people who are looking up. I wonder what are they looking at looking up on the cliffs way up high? I told looking at the claimer up there very frustrating because I could not see any climbers. And that was my first exposure to rock climbing. Two decades later, George Whitmore would join one of the most accomplished climbers of his era to take on one of you seventies. Most iconic features Susan valid has the story. In the early nineteen fifties there were very few people rock climbing the activity tended to attract rebels, shall we say people who marched to a different drummer two of those people happen to be George Whitmore's housemates in San Francisco. I said, well, why don't you come out to one of her practice claims we're having when this Sunday, then if you went to enough practice claims and and learned enough, then then you would be allowed to go up to seventy with them. Meanwhile in the tiny rock climbing community a bit of rivalry started between two fierce competitors. Warren. Harding and oil Robbins Robbins was on the athlete would the first real rock athlete in the United States at least operating in Yosemite on that level. That's author John lung he's written about the history of climbing. Long says Robbins was a free climber. He wanted to make his way up the rock with us little equipment as possible Hartington care about free climbing. He didn't care about putting bolts in the wall. He didn't really care about anything. But getting up thing. Things. You know, each wanted to outdo the other one so it went, and that's what drove a lot of the technology and the technique in the development of the sport is those guys going about their business in different ways. The battleground was you semi national park with its valley surrounded by a cathedral of steep granite cliff faces Warren had wanted to be the first to climb the face of half dome. The sliced rock made famous by Ansel Adams photography, but in July of nineteen fifty seven Royal Robbins team got their first Warren is said to have met them at the top to congratulate them, but Judeja later he said I'm going after L cap so he lost half dome. And he was going to go for the bigger one, which is L cap L cap as an capi ten the two sides of a cliff come together in a nose shape, stretching down the bottom. That's the route warrant and his crew plan to take the knows Warren Harding died in two thousand and two. But he describes the climb in a report he will. For American alpine club in nineteen fifty nine. We asked an actor to read his words, we spent an entire day studying the face in search of a continuous route to the summit. It was obvious that existing methods of conducting a sustained rock climb would be inadequate because of the extreme difficulty of the climb. We anticipated slow progress perhaps no more than one hundred to two hundred feet a day long says capitan was considered the greatest prize in rock climbing. It's deep it's long and large cracks in the granite block. The path at times you'd have to hang upside down to work your way up just scary as hell up there, man, you with your way thousands of feet off the ground with just gnarliest leashed, effective gear, you could ever imagine. I mean, really just winging it up there. We're in a couple of others began their first attempt on July fourth nineteen fifty seven. There was no thought of reaching the summit are tentative goal was L cap towers, the prominent pinnacles on the east side of the buttress about halfway up the face, the climbing was almost entirely sixth class direct aid and about as difficult as can be imagined at first attempt lasted only three days or special stove league. Piton which had brought us up three hundred feet of the two to three inch wide stove leg. Crack would no longer hold. A Piton is a type of anchor piece of metal that a rock climber drives into a crack that's too narrow for an arm or leg again, claiming author John lung, they didn't have anything that would fit the crack, and nobody could free climbing because there's vertical two inch to three inch. There's no way for him to make any progress. They had to retreat and try to fashion something that they could beat into the crack one hundred and fifty feet short of the lower. Our tower we were forced to give up leaving fixed rope behind to secure we had gained we descended reaching the ground. Our spirits were somewhat dampened by an unexpected problem. It seemed that our climb presented quite a spectacle, it had attracted a crowd of tourists which created a traffic jam at the road junction near the base when it was such a freaky sort of other. Worldly, kind of thing that even back in those days, you somebody was fairly crowded with car travel, and you know, half of it was partially cap meadow, everybody wanting to get a peek of these maniacs cap trying to climb the thing because of the crowds Park Rangers band climbing between Memorial Day and Labor Day. So the team had to pack it in for the year in spring of nineteen fifty eight Harding tried again with a new team. One of the members was Richard Calderwood was quite an address your Calderwood's main job was mostly to ferry supplies and clean up. The rope behind them or your Lauder. Argo carry and load ferrying kind of a porter or sherpas. I was working all by myself that was kind of trippy. You know up there fouls and feed off the ground. Just having to really be sure that I was reading everything. Right. And that it wasn't you make mistakes because mistake could be fatal. George Whitmore was also on the climb. He'd come a long way since his San Francisco housemates had taken him on you symmetry practice, climbs Whitmore also hauled supplies, including extra bolts. At that time. They didn't have these portable legislate. They up now on you. Either spent the night hanging in rope slings or you found a ledge that you could lie down on our salon. You would sort of sat there with your legs dangling over the edge. And that was how you spent the night just sort of sitting and leaning by. This time around they were doing what Warren called a series of attrition attacks weekend, climbing adventures meant to set ropes high enough on the rock face. So then a final push would have a chance of success. If anything had happened to us. It was up to us to take care of it ourselves. Nobody was going to come after us. Nobody was going to rescue us the topic climbing. You're doing is beyond what anybody has had an experience with you guys are on your own as the client continued it became clear that the team would need to develop new climbing methods if they were to reach the top. I had perfect before. Which is a process of sliding not up. The rope standing on stirrups and so forth, a harvest and work your way up the fix stroll. But I'd ever done it on a rope. That was anchored say one hundred fifty feet above. I stretch your the rope. I remember pushing the dot and pudding by weight on it. And I did. Off the ground. Did it again, I was still on the ground. It took quite a while before all the stretch gave out at that point climbers hung from the waist which made it hard to lug gear quickly. So Calderwood's started thinking of ways to improve their equipment and technique. He designed and built a chest harness, which he sowed out of salvaged seatbelts, and you're in faster progress. But still for George Whitmore and the rest of the crew it wasn't fast enough where you would take so long. You know, we we would be at work or in school. Then we'd go up there. Friday night, Saturday morning startup to ropes get up to the high point, of course to high point a little bit. And then have to start back down and go back to school. And it was getting two point of diminishing returns. It was we were expending the huge amounts of time and effort and making very small incremental progress. Why Sunday evening Warren came down from the weekend climb? Again, not getting very far he was frustrated in as he was dropping the gear that was wrapped all around me said I'm getting sick six sick of going up and down these goddamn ropes. Let's go up there and stay with it until we finish it or it finishes us. On November first nineteen fifty eight. We started up the fixed ropes for what we hoped would be the last time winter Wisconsin it was now or never but before the team reached the top Richard Calderwood decided the answer was never hours buried and had a baby on the way and. I was off on this adventure and adventure was very exciting. And I was enjoying it. But it seems selfish in terms of the responsibilities. I had to go playing around seeking adventure. When perhaps ought to be supporting a family Calderwood says he developed a lot of anxiety over what to do. He didn't wanna stay. He didn't wanna quit. And most of the time. He was alone on the rock face. With a lot of time to think she'll yard have lonesome night to think and reflect looked at the cars going around down on the valley and so forth. So Calderwood went home and Harding Whitmore and Mary pushed on. Whitmore remembers one night when they were getting close to the top. It's stormed. Remember winter's coming and he got wet. So in the morning, I was drawing my stuff out. I got a late start going up the ropes. And when I got up to camp six which is where I expected to find them. There was not tied to the rope. George or going for the Tom come on up. Okay. That was dusk. Okay. Keep ongoing wit more new the lead climbing team would soon run out of bolts. So we brought some along as he climbed higher. P found them waiting for him. Oren Harris Warren up and under those overhangs. And it was it was pretty dark by then. But you could see this little spot up there under the overhangs that was Warren. Did you bring some bowls? Yes. Boy. Are we glad to see you? And then weren't spent the night driving these bolts over the final overhangs topped out is the sun was coming up as a hammered in the last bolt in staggered over the rim. It was not clear to me who was conqueror and who was conquered. I do recall that seemed to be in much better condition than I was on. All three of us. Got on top are two friends were there. Yes, they had a bottle of champagne and that three champagne glasses. Real glasses. Not plastic that climb about capita didn't only bring innovation in gear. But author John long says it also brought a new way of thinking about big wall climbing it's really like walking on the moon. It's one of those things that happened like Greg Noll surfing waimea bay the first time, or you know, the certain things that happen that that are similar events. Not just for climbers or surfers, astronauts, but for all mankind, and that was one of it revolutionized what everybody thought was possible. Warren, Harding and his crew reached the top of El capitan sixty years ago this month, it took them forty five days over eighteen months today. It takes just a few days to climb that same route at night. You can see they're tiny beams of light from the semi valley. Beckoning new climbers to take on the adventure. That's reporter Susan valid. The owner of a bluegrass radio station in mount airy North Carolina recently stumbled across some old records, we went we've been about as viral as you can in this area with our broadcast. The story of a seventy year old football game is just ahead on only game. And don't forget to follow us on Facebook and Twitter at only a game NPR. How often do people lie on dating apps in a robots taking over our jobs? I'm Cardiff Garcia co host a planet. Money's the indicator for every day, we tell you a short story about the economy. Get it on NPR one or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Karen given next week on only game our second annual thanksgiving leftover show believe me like your great aunts pecan pie. You don't wanna miss this one? But now, I'm joined by Charlie Pierce for the week's news. Hi, charlie. Hi, Karen, Wilt Chamberlain is no longer number five on the NBA's all time scoring list that honor now belongs to LeBron James. Lebron marked the occasion by saying? Nice things about Wiltz. Would you like to Mark the occasion by saying nice things about LeBron? I was stunned wilt was already dropped to fifth to be honest with you LeBron James has cream of dull jabbar's record insights. He's three and a half years away, assuming he doesn't either go off and become a Buddhist monk or by the world or fall out of shape and. And that's going to be an astonishing compliment Lakers. Coach Luke Walton took the opportunity to complain about the refs he said he could probably shoot a hundred free throws a game. If everything was called. It's not that I disagree with this. I just don't remember Welton ever complaining about that. When LeBron played for the competition. That's the thing. And what Luke Walton new things what everyone who's ever coached LeBron James going back to high school. Right. So I mean, everybody should accept it. I think LeBron seems to have accepted, you know, as much as one can when one is the object of all this founding. But I think everyone else you'd accept at. This is going to be the way it is for the rest of his career after just ten games with the Houston Rockets. Carmelo Anthony is once again looking for a new job. I guess when you know, you know, right? He's going to go down in history. As one of the great mysteries. He was a terrific player. He could well have been the kind of player who carries a team when he came out of the draft in the same draft, by the way that LeBron James Dwayne Wade came out, and he just never found a niche. I mean, he's being criticized basically for not having had a hall of fame career, which is really kind of a high bar when you think about it. But he just never found a team that was comfortable with him. And with which he was comfortable, and it's a very odd biography. He has an NBA player Monday nights NFL game between the Kansas City Chiefs, and the LA Rams will not take place in Mexico City as planned officials say the field conditions. There are unsafe fans are upset, but as I understand it the players are happy players thrilled. And so are the people in Los Angeles because tickets are being given away to first responders and people whose lives have been affected by the ongoing wildfires out there, which is a good thing. The other thing after remember this is the marquee regular season game of the year right between the Rams and the chiefs, and you can't have that on a field that looks like chicken Chow main. You can't do that. So this is a decision. I am holy behind is far as the NFL is concerned with all its resources shouldn't the NFL have been able to prevent this from happening to rain. I don't think they can do that way. I'll ask I'll look and see Roger Goodell's contract. If if he's empowered to stop rain, but. It was to happen. The stadium that they were gonna use the Saudi tech as used for everything including soccer game after soccer game after game. And it was found to happen sooner or later. I am happy as somebody who will watch this game. I'm happy that the two best offenses in the NFL are going to play against each other on a field worthy of their talent. Another city has declined to participate in the great economic growth. Driver known as the Olympic Games, which is the smart city this time Calgary which actually put on a great Olympics nineteen eighty eight but has decided that it's going to stand Pat on those memories and not pony up for the Olympics in twenty twenty six despite the fact that the people want to put the Olympics in their spent close to eight million dollars in advertising campaign to win the referendum and it lost. So I think we can clearly say that people in Calgary we're very happy in one thousand nine hundred eight and very happy. Now that the Winter Olympics will be going somewhere else. Well, one expert says that the I ac- will reject its two remaining bids which are stock home and a combined Italian bid. And instead turn to wait for it Salt Lake City. Oh, good. Lord admits already in the Senate. So he could take a couple of weeks off running a new Olympics. Serena Williams is g cues woman of the year. Good choice. Yes. Of course, it is. I mean, she's the dominant athlete in her sport. She's a groundbreaker in six or eight different ways. She's an entrepreneur. She's a voice for equality. She's just a terrific athlete and a terrific human being in the moment right now. And I couldn't agree more with Cue's choice. Although I don't know why woman has to go in quote marks. Right. And I would like some clarification from G Q. Yeah. It's really weird. They say, oh, it's a designer, and that's his thing. And he did it in his own hand. But it seems like a pretty shoddy why the quote marks you can do it with your Email. You can pin it on the design guy just scratching out and putting woman because that would be kind of funny, and it would be kind of G Q zone joke on itself. The quote, Mark say nuts you share about now. And finally, Charlie law. Eight of the English Football Association requires the referee toseh- coin. At the beginning of every match, and why am I citing law eight of the English football sociation because hey referee named David McNamara. Forgot the coin you left it in the officials dressing room. So instead he had the respective captains. Play rock, paper, scissors to decide who who would kick off to home. He's been suspended for twenty one days. It's crazy. It's nuts. I mean, how much more arbitrary is rock paper scissors than tossing a coin. And it's totally more fun. It's absolutely more fun. There's no question about that. And it requires you to think a little bit because you have to strategy to rock, paper, scissors, right? There's no strategy to calling a coin now you can find the sports writing of Charlie Pierce at Sports Illustrated, any joins us each week on only again. Thanks, charlie. All right. We're going to try something new and close out this week show with some bluegrass music. Well, there will be some high school football thrown into I promise. Here's only games Martin Kessler for the past seventy years WPA Q out of mount airy North Carolina population ten thousand has broadcast bluegrass and old time string music. But music is an all you'll hear on WPA Q, the folks call in and say they've lost an animal they found an animal we will be happy to announce that that's BRAC Llewellyn, a part time announcer who's worked on and off at the station since the eighties. When we spoke recently BRAC had just finished reading the local obituaries, something WPA Q announcers do two to three times every day in on Sundays you'll hear programming like this such a privilege to be over there ways. Where you today? Mom, the love it. We've had a lot of preachers. That's WPA Q owner and general manager Kellyanne Persson the come in live on Sundays. And then what about Friday nights? Oh, yeah. Friday night is big for our radio station. Now live from Wallace Sheldon stadium on the campus of mount airy high school. Here's Kelly Everson and Tommy Morrison on Friday nights in the fall, WPA Q your home for the best bluegrass and old time. String music transforms into the home of the mount airy bears high school football team. But we have people that actually didn't intend on becoming fans of bears football that listen from out of town that have become interested. Who's a hear it all the time? Now, you might think this is just a story about a ten thousand watt radio station. That's converting fans of bluegrass into supporters of the football team from five hundred fifty student high school, but it's more than that, partly because of mount Aries own history in mostly because of something that Kellyanne Persson recently discovered Kellyanne Persson took over WPA cue from his father Ralph who died in two thousand six a few weeks ago. He was digging around his father's old office. My dad he held onto everything it drove my mom crazy and actually in the corner I saw box. It was sorta halfway open and kind of kicked it a little. Bit is to make sure there were no snakes around because we have a lot of black stakes up here. But anyway, it was heavy and opened up the lid there were some records in there. And I looked at the label, and I couldn't believe it. It said mount airy versus Lauren Berg football, November twenty fifth nineteen forty eight. It was the state championship held on Thanksgiving Day. Kelly didn't have the equipment at WPA cue to play the records their old lacquer discs. But he took them to a woman who did. And I remember the very first moment when she put the needle down on one of the records. And I just could not believe my ears. High school football band has just left the field proceedings here to open this state class-a championship game. And I just looked down. Watching the spin around these records spin around listening to this thinking, this is amazing. The fact that this recording was from nineteen forty eight isn't a coincidence. That was the year mount airy North Carolina got its first radio station. Mount airy is located in the foothills of the Blue Ridge mountains right on the Virginia border represent. That's Kelley's father grew up on a tobacco farm about ten miles away in Iraq, Virginia Ralph like two things the bluegrass in string music native to the area in radio just thought, well, you know, if we can have a radio station, so his father backed him on it. They actually went to the First National Bank in mount airy and got thirty eight thousand dollar loan Ralph and his father built the station themselves. Ralph's dad was well qualified for the job. He also made coffins on February second nineteen forty eight. WPA Q went on the air thirteen years later in nineteen sixty one Kelly was born they changed. My diaper here in the radio station. Many many times it's part of the WPA Lor. That's it really is back. Then there was a lot of industry around mount airy textile mills furniture factories, granite Corey. Yeah. I remember hearing those loud whistles from the various factories letting folks knows time to come to work at seven AM and every day at twelve noon here. Those whistles go off again for lunch. There were so many jobs available that if you got angry at your boss where you were you quit. Your job literally drive across town and get another job before the day was out that is true. Brek says that during the boom times Matt Aries three and a half block downtown had four different pharmacies in three or four different shoe stores, but he says in the late eighties nineties that started to change kind of one by one over fairly short period of time you began to see the local mills being acquired by other companies almost every time the new owners would come in. And the first thing they would do is reassure everyone that nothing was going to change that almost certainly at. Everything's going to change. Breakfast the textile mills started moving out of state or out of the country watching a dam burst. I mean, you just couldn't stop it. But while the jobs were going away something stayed the same. They were still this great won't and need for and love for this kind of music that never went away. I think maybe we brought some comfort to folks. And there was still mount airy high school football. There were factories within side of the football stadium closing down. But for that few hours on Friday night, you'd think everything was just exactly as it should be. Bracken Kelly savy economy has come a long way since those down times. There's now a tourist industry built around. The fact that mount airy was the inspiration for Mayberry the setting for the Andy Griffith show. People amount airy may no longer need to p q or the football team in quite the same way they used to. But when Kellyanne Persson discovered those old lacquer discs in the corner of his dad's office, he knew he'd found something that mattered to the community sue when did you get the idea to rebroadcast this game? Oh that that was immediate the two thousand eighteen Mary bears had a buy week coming up. There was a Friday night open on WPA cues calendar. So on September twenty eighth at seven thirty when residents of mount airy North Carolina turn to seven forty on their am dials. They heard this. Right. County fighting. Kicking. On the body. I don't want to give away what all happens during this broadcast. But I'll tell you there were moments that my emotions were just coming out. I mean, I was laughing at some of the expressions. Behind by. By the way, the condition of this field is very sloppy muddied muddy and Meyer, eight at home eat tell me what happened. When did you guys? I start hearing from people instantaneously we went we've been about as viral as you can in this area with our broadcast, and I'm trying to concentrate I was running the board. And I was getting all these messages blowing up my phone couldn't handle it in. What were they saying? This is unbelievable. I I'm hearing my dad play. I never thought I could ever do this. My dad is playing a football game. Brax says he heard from one friend who grew up in Lauren. Berg recognize the name of a player on the Scots roster and the player whose name he heard grew up to be the doctor who delivered him one curious listener even showed up at the station and scared to death. Brief scares notwithstanding. Kelly says the night was joyful Kelly. I'm curious what do you think your father would have thought of all of this? Fascinating. That's one of his words. That's fascinating. And he would be overwhelmed with bliss. Those of us that work here feel like Ralph is still with us. And when Kelly said he discovered these records this game on it. It crossed my mind. I thought Ralph had a hand in this. He led Kelly to that box. And I tell you how the game ends. But I don't wanna spoil it because you're gonna get another chance to listen WPA Q is rebroadcasting the game. One more time this Thanksgiving Day at two pm eastern time. So who would who wants to watch the Detroit Lions when they can hear the nineteen forty eight North Carolina won a state championship game. We'll have info on how to tune into WPA cues. Thanksgiving rebroadcast on only game dot org. That story was from only games. Martin Kessler real quick before let you guys go. Tell me about these black snakes. They sound kind of scary. The world's greatest population of blacks here. One time. I recall one of the snakes got into our transmitter and literally knocked the station off the air offer. Yes. And we had local fellow Charlie Hoover's Charlie still with us. And if we see one we call Charlie and he comes and takes the snake out for us. We don't dispose. The snakes just comes and captures them and takes them to somewhere else. I'm pretty sure. Martin thanks for making all this up. Now. Adventure? Only game is produced by Martin Kessler and Gary wallet with help from Matthew stock. Our technical directors. Marquees neil. Our senior producer is me. I'm Karen given only game returns next week. Thanks for listening.

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Episode 15: Dos and Donts of Lymphedema Management.

Lymphedema Podcast

06:18 min | 1 year ago

Episode 15: Dos and Donts of Lymphedema Management.

"Podcast. I'm buddy Westbrook, certified therapist and the host of lymph Edina podcast. The purpose of limiting podcast is provide answers and explanations for people affected by the disease. Limiting this podcast patients, family members medical professionals and anyone interested in them for Dima each week. I discuss a new topic related to this disease to help you learn more and navigate better the journey ahead. Disclaimer as a certified limiting therapist all information provided is based on my professional experiences in education. I recommend anyone who feels they have lymph Dima or have been medically diagnosed with lymph Dima seek in-person medical treatment from certified liberty Methodist, I'm so passionate about teaching others about lymph Dima that I created this podcast. Thanks for joining me. I hope you're ready to lend something new today. Welcome back for episode. Fifteen of lengthy my podcast. Today's topic is going to cover what to avoid when you have lymph Dima, and what you can do to better manage this disease. This'll be a short and sweet episode. So make sure you're ready to take some quick notes. First up is what to avoid if you have lymph Edina skin injuries like cuts, a scratched from your beloved, Rufus or sprinkles or insect bikes can open a whole can of worms. You don't wanna deal with? Listen back to episode five on cellulitis, if you want to know more about why you need to avoid skin injuries. And while you're at it episode seven on wound care is a good one too. Extreme heat like sunburns heating pads and very hot showers are not good for someone living with limping Dima because the heat increases blood flow and the blood flow increases lymph production in that area. The more limped produced the more volume and Olympia. Meaning heat causes more swelling. That's the last thing anyone with liberty Mowatt. I hesitate to say this next one without a disclaimer, but strenuous exercise without compression should be avoided. There are currently athletes competing in bodybuilding competitions and running long distances who have lymph Dima you can return to high impact sports over time, but not overnight and not without compression, a final few things to avoid are tight clothes jewelry. And no matter how many people say it's a myth always avoid blood pressure in needle sticks in the affected. Extremity puncturing the skin or compressing an already compromised lymphatic system can only lead to negative side effects to end on a happy note. We'll talk about what you can do to help manage Olympia Dima. Maintain a low salt, low fat diet, if you think about what makes up lymph water protein fatty acids and sill particles. It makes sense to avoid these food groups increased sodium leads to excess water weight and increased fat intake leads to more fatty acid particles in the limp drinking half your body white in ashes of water is a good habit to establish water. Flushes the body of toxins and helps you flush the kidneys. The more water you drink the more lip you can flush from your system, wearing proper compression, either garments or bandages is important. But it's also important to keep them clean and well-cared-for throughout the day. You should elevate. The limb of possible to give it a break from the effects of gravity. It's funny that this list also includes exercise avoid exercise without compression. But do exercise while wearing. Pression episode six on exercise can help you better understand the positive effects of exercise when living with them for Dima daily skin checks for injury or signs of infection will keep you one step ahead of any potential problem and finally wear compression, while traveling always wear compression when flying the pressure change in the cabin can cause stage zero lymph Dima to progress to stage one within hours of landing. Listen to Verne story in episode ten and ten and a half to hear her personal experience with this even when traveling by car, it's important to wear compression to help with circulating into decrease swelling. So to recap let's talk about what to avoid. I avoid extreme heat like sunburns and hot showers skin, injuries like cuts or insect bites tight clothing or. Jewelry and always always always avoid blood pressure and needle sticks. In the involved. Extremity things you can do to help manage Dima are either low salt low fat diet drink caffeine bodyweight in out of water. For example, if you weigh two hundred pounds, drink one hundred hours of water. Elevate the involved limb throughout the day where compression while exercising and traveling and do daily skin checks to avoid infections like cellulitis. So I told you it was going to be short, and sweet I hope you're able to take some notes and learn some more tips on how to better manage your lymph Dima as well as some things to avoid mother. Theresa says loneliness, and the feeling of being unwanted is the most terrible, poverty, this podcast is here for you to find friendship and community for your journey with lymph Dima. I hope you enjoyed learning. More about lymph deem do's and don'ts. Email me with your story if you'd like to share lymph Dima podcast at G L dot com or visit the website limiting podcast dot com to submit a topic for another episode.

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WKPWP - Keller interviews Mick Karch & Kenny "Sodbuster" Jay: (4-30-15) Remembering Verne Gagne - the highs and lows of his career

The Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast

2:13:47 hr | 4 months ago

WKPWP - Keller interviews Mick Karch & Kenny "Sodbuster" Jay: (4-30-15) Remembering Verne Gagne - the highs and lows of his career

"Tell VIP membership to you the listener. I often talk about the current podcasts. That there are. Vip exclusive podcast like the fix with todd. Martin the Wade Keller daily hotline the Post Pay per view roundtables the Bruce Mitchell audio show Allen Kuna Hans Progress Paradise and many many more. Also I talk about how these shows are ad free. The ads and plugs are edited out. Something I don't talk a lot about are the twenty years ago back issues that we post every week the year two thousand was fascinating if you go. Vip now you can catch up on the first few months of those twenty years ago back issues as soon as you become a VIP member the January. First two thousand back issue headlines with a triple length. Torch talk with Iraq. My exclusive one on one. Qna with Iraq talking about his career and so my comments that raised some eyebrows DC. They're also The next week it was Terry funk being named commissioner of WCW that was a cover story plus a ton of behind the scenes happenings in W. W. including Goldberg's injury and the plan returns of Hogan and Ric flair than the January fifteenth. Two Thousand Cover story featured Steve Austin switching doctors right before major neck surgery the January twenty second two thousand edition featured cover story of a week of major changes in WCW including Vince Russo. Being Demoted Chris. Benoit's winning the world title and then being stripped of it and requests by a number of wrestlers to be released from their contracts and then after that we detailed the following week on the January twenty ninth. Cover Story Chris Vanua Eddie Guerrero de Milenko and Perry Saturn heading to the WWF. Then the February fifty thousand issue Features Eddie. Guerrero suffering a serious injury in his first. Wwe Match and details of the debut of the radicals. Plus the May young nudity controversy. 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Classic where Wade Keller interviews one of pro wrestling's newsmakers one of the most successful and influential promoters of the one thousand nine hundred seventy s and early nineteen eighties. Vern Ganja the subject of today's interview Classic Longtime Awa Fan Awa Fan club president of Awa. Champion Nick Buckling Goal Awa announcer including on the ESPN tapings at the showboat in Las Vegas and also host of the SNL Saturday at wrestling. Block and longtime indy wrestling. Pay Play by play man. Karsh joins me. Who had up close interaction with fern? Ganja and watched his product from start to finish from the sixties to the very end. And we're joined by AWA jobber Kenny. Sod Buster Jay who was a favourite in the AWA territory in affable likable lovable. Loser on Awa. Tv for many many years who actually started off working for Ganja at his palatial home on Lake Minnetonka and then did did jobs on television so we share some stories about him to offer. Ganja died five years ago this week at age eighty nine. The discussion on Verne spent his years. As a top main inventor as AWA world champion to his rise and fall as a promoter behind the scenes his reaction to Vince McMahon's national expansion that decimated his roster and his profitability his role in the evolution of the Hulk Hogan baby face character. Don't let anyone tell you any different. Hulkamania was born in the Awa despite and then because of ver- Ganja and we'll get into that Hogan entered Awa territories a. He'll was cheered by the fans and burn said. Hey you guys like we're gonNA promote as a baby face and even though we didn't have that amateur background vern Ganja loved Hoke was a huge breakout star in Awa and formulated the entire Hulkamania routine and gimmick before. Vince McMahon hired Hogan for more money and they would go onto wrestlemainia fame. So a really fascinating discussion. If you're still interesting history are going to love this if you just want to hear some great stories about this crazy wrestling business including the one of the longest running most successful wrestling promoters from one of the big three brands. They weren't called brands then. They were called promotions during the the sixties seventies early eighties. There was the Awa the NWEA with all their territories and the WWF which prior to that was the W. W. W. F. You'RE GONNA learn a lot about about pursing history and learn fun story about someone who was not always well loved From the position of the boss the promoter so settle in. It's a really fun discussion. Mccarthy is one of my favorite guests over the years to have on And I've known make forever used actually right for progressing towards submission com. You can find it and some of our earliest back issues so Anyway with that introduction. Let's now get to it. This originally aired on April thirtieth two thousand fifteen welcome to the P W torch live cast. I am Wade Keller editor and publisher of the Pro Wrestling Torch weekly newsletter since one thousand nine hundred eighty seven and also P W torch dot com since nineteen ninety nine. Bw Torch APP available on iphone and Android and also host of this the POW torch live cast. We are here five days a week Monday through Friday and Sundays after Major. Wwe Pay per for the only weekly Monday through Friday talkshow covering professional wrestling exclusively for the past five plus years and we thank you for joining us again today yesterday. Pat McNeill Was joined by Chris. Crews FROM WC WW announcing fame and also friend of the torch. Who's been on the show multiple times in the past and on Tuesday? I was joined by Jason Powell of pro wrestling dot net. And he He and I discussed Monday night raw. And also what? We'll be talking about today on interview Thursday here on W. Towards life test the death of Verne Ganja at age eighty nine and we are I'm excited to be able to talk about what Verne Ganja meant to me. As a wrestling fan again as I did on Tuesday and what he meant to professional wrestling with two people who had a chance to follow his career closely in different roles and the first person could bring on is Mick car she worked for Verne. Ganja as part of the Awa in Las Vegas on the ESPN tapings. Mika former pro wrestling torch columnist a frequent guest here at torch live cast on Nick. Welcome back to the life cast. Thank you way too good to be here. I. It's great to have you on. Thank you for taking time to be on today's show. I'm really glad that we could put together. Show a talking about Vern Ganja and I know you have a lot to say about them. I want to introduce our second guest in. That is Sod Buster Kenny Jay. Who WORKED FOR GANJA FOR SO many years? Kenya's this you are you there. Yeah I'm Wayne Kenny. Thinks he's doing. I'm doing great. Thank you for taking time away from busting sod to join us here on the show to appreciate it absolutely. Well I talked about what Vernon to me on Tuesday so I'm not going to repeat it today. The first wrestling show I ever went to was Verne's retirement so I came in as a fan at the end of Verne. Ghana's reign as a full time wrestler. I watched them on. Tv for years. But the first show. I got Lau was may of Nineteen eighty-one retirement match seventy thousand plus sold out crowd against Nick Balk Winkle and of course you know he made a few coming out of retirement matches but Kenny you obviously knew vern as a wrestler as an employee and as a friend. I'd love for you I to talk a little bit about your background with Ganja and how you I met him and how. You ended up on television as a wrestler. Well you know I I used the wrestling Chicago Milwaukee then with the army and then they came out of the army and and as sixty two then came back down to Minneapolis. And then I got the duress. Lula Douala car promoter and then that's how you got started and then pretty soon verne was there. You know you know we're in a great Great Wrestler and he loved wrestling. And you know he was a great great promoter so I I can't take anything away from the guy and I I really really. I'm going to miss. When is the last time that you had a chance to talk to earn? Well we we did a deal here at the place here in the on Chicago Avenue. Forty six to the Beatles and when they redid the wrassling movie jazz and Warren was there. This is probably Five years ago or so you know what I was in real good shape and I got to talk to him. I other shake his hand and do more wonderful wonderful thing I ever did. And also you know I'll never forget that moment in my life audible is offering listeners of this podcast. A free edition of Jim. Ross is under the black hat or for that matter any book title of Your Choosing in their vast collection of thousands and thousands of books. 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This might be the time to check that out in audible his way to do that. So go to audible dot com slash wade or text. Way To five hundred dash five hundred Kenny. We had a great Ganja on this show on that day and I actually think it was a little over three years ago maybe three and a half years ago because I had to ask my mom. My mom went to it and Mic. I really yes she went to it and I want to bring into the conversation on this because I don't know how many people in I don't know how many public appearances make for an made after that date if any I. I don't think he necessarily made any. And my mom had bought a picture of earn an autograph. She thought you know do. And my mom may have the honour mic and J of being the last woman that Verne Ganja hit on at a at a celebrity appearance. He's pretty and his handling of rushed her so earlier today about that and it was a fond memory here. Mitt Karsh You you grew up watching and by the way Mick and Kenny. Feel free to make this a conversation not an interview. Feel free to interrupt me or you know we'll just kind of make this free flooring see where it takes us by the way. Do Invite callers to call if you want to share some Burn Ghani Memories or question. Our phone number is six four six seven two one nine to wait that six four six seven two one nine eight two eight mic. I want to set the stage a little bit. Also with you starting off as a fan of the AWA in watching for Ganja I of said but it's only secondhand because I wasn't born when Verne became a headliner in a crossover a mainstream star here in the upper midwest sort of sleet mixed talk about exactly what Verne meant to this community in based in Minneapolis. Saint Paul and broaden. It also talk about how he compares to wrestler since then in terms of that mainstream appeal and how he was appreciated by the community or seen by the community. You know it's really interesting way to if you don't know the background burn. Ganja and know him just as a wrestler you have no idea the impact that this guy had because remember. We didn't have major league sports in the twin cities till nineteen sixty one. The twins and the Vikings and because of that professional wrestling you know once twice a week was really the big deal around here. Besides remain a minor league baseball teams and Ganja was the guy a You know even I would say up up through the late sixties early seventies burns not only a television personality but he really transcended that especially in the state of Minnesota. I mean this guy. Hobnobbed with governors and senators vice presidents and he was as big a celebrity. I think as anybody and then you know when you Add to that his community involvement and his charitable work at Golf Functions Tennis Celebrity events and so on and so forth and of course his dedication to the University of Minnesota I. It's a shame that the modern day wrestling fan probably just doesn't have a clue how big vern was in the state and especially in the twin cities just phenomenal. I mean his celebrity just transcended everything ten. Same well-spoken There Kenny. Talk about that too What was it like when you were around? Vern Ganja it from a- from a standpoint of charisma that he had and the kind of country club atmosphere that he was was recognized I mean. He was among the elite celebrities in this community. He played football with bud. Grant he Governor Bosch wits attended Awa shows in the front row. Go on and on Kenny. Talk about that talk about what fern the five vern gave off when he was in the public. Well I'll tell you one thing. He was a great guy he was and he loved wrestling and he lives for wrestling because he did after he got out of college and Winter Olympics. And everything he did. He did everything and and He created his verve wrestlers. Well you know when he got into the promoting and you treated and released so well I'll never forget it. You know he he got me into six man tag team with them and crusher and me against Larry inning and hardy raising the monarch off. You know you got me in Japan and he got me with Mohammed Ali. You know I could never. I'll never forget the guy you know. Because he he really helped me you know as he was a great guy and I'll I'll never forget him. And and and Kenny talk about the dynamic between vern and his business partner in promoting partner. Wally Carbo those two from everything that I've read and and just being around them a little bit in my years relative to you and the stories I've heard the dynamic between them. There has to be some fun stories there. Well they got along real good. You know I mean where do when they both show I guess they they do. Did it together and then you know I mean it. It took a lot of courage does a lot of charisma. You know to make your match. You know I mean it's just like Football you know you can just put a couple teams together. You gotta you gotTa have in the sequence. You know it's it's It's all sports is all the same you know you gotta you gotTa work together and you gotta you gotta sit up demand you know and then you gotta sit up football teams so I did a great job and yeah and you could tell back in the sixty seventies eighties. The road you know that. What was the last thing you said? Kenny our phone connection went out just for two seconds. Need an extra dose of positivity in your wrestling. Podcasts will come join me out for L. Over in the progress Paradise Aquino Torch. Vip as we look on the bright side of wrestling and focus on some of the great matches and shows from around the world be the US Japan Europe or Mexico. There's always a place of restaurants passed in the Paradise to and we've done fun. Historical shows such as the we love ligers series celebrating glorious career of Thunder. Like on our. 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Like talk about the difference at wrestling's perceiving because Mick you are so you are so valuable to a show like this because we obviously cover current day wrestling week in week out and have for years and decades but make you followed wrestling so long that you're able to provide that. Forgive me for you know how long you've been a fan. But you have been urged you if you have seen as a fan and as a participant as an observer so many heirs of wrestling into so many changes your so valuable in that way is vern different in terms of how he's perceived compared to other top wrestlers since hit his. You don't really interesting because you remember you know again going back to the fifties and the sixties and you're going back to the cave savior and everything else so has changed. I mean the way wrestlers are looked at and promoters are looked at back in the day when you have the Mystique I mean I mean Verne Verne was the real deal and and the he was Like Mark Rosen on. Wctc here locally. Called him the Saturday night superman so the perception of Verne here in the state of Minnesota I mean he was he was a god. I mean he really was. He's right up there with Fran Tarkenton and Harmon killebrew and all these guys and and it kind of evolved a little bit you know. Needless to say as wrestling changed in the eighties all of a sudden the perception of a wrestling promoter and and and The Vince McMahon's of the world. And the dusty Rhodes. Everybody is talking about the behind seen stuff. And I don't know that you know it may be the luster wore off a little bit You know and as more and more stories kind of came to light about your Verne's business dealings with the guys and so on and so forth. It changed a little bit The perception of Verne Ganja as kind of a hard ass in and he was he was he was a perfectionist. And he did it his way. So you know in terms of how he was perceived Yeah that changed a little bit but again I keep going back to the same thing you really had to experience. You had to live through it to know back in the day. This guy was like Sir Lancelot around here. I mean he was he could walk on water. And that's the real deal so I think the perception in the state of Minnesota was probably different than it was on a national scale way Because on the National Level. I think people you know looked at vern again as Vince McMahon. The Bob Daigle the the Jim Crockett. Whatever you know whatever the case may be here in the state of Minnesota at least early Rom didn't perceive them that way so I think. The era of eras in professional wrestling changed the perception of Verne. Ganja Kenny you for thirty years and and like you said I mean he gave so many. You were very loyal to him. He was very loyal to you the over the years. How did he did for and Change? As he gained more power gained more riches he did. He was very wealthy. Did very well for himself as a promotor. How did you say teach? His key changed and also as he became older than a lot of talent working for him. Although there's a few jokes in there about Awa at the end you know everyone kind of stuck together till the end but as as he aged and younger wrestlers started coming up. I in fact as an aside. I mean my my experiences with fern just in the late eighties. Being around him were talking about the rockers. Shawn Michaels Mardi Janetti. All those punk kids they don't they don't appreciate the opportunity that kind of thing to T- Kitty. Talk to me about the how you sovereign change as he as. He moved from his twenties thirties to his forty fifth. I don't think he he has really changed. Because you the great wrestler all the time. I wrestle many times and we had a great time TV wrestling matches. I mean but I'm talking. You know you're talking about the New York Buddy Rogers and they're all great professional wrestler ice and it all all goes down to from Verne to all the way to New York. You know and You know Buddy Rogers and then there was a Bogor's eleven I mean dis guy and Paddler God lieutenant that they were all great professional wrestlers and as all do the same thing it was wrestling and was professional wrestling and and it was the same. You know until eviscerate man to go over. You know what it was. I just sixty seven days. I'll never never forget them and we're in gone. It was there all the time and I'll never forget them every Sunday night catch wrestling night in America on PW Torch Daily Dot Com hosted by me PW torch columnist. Greg Parks each week. I'LL WELCOME A CO host. The torch family to discuss the big shows and pro wrestling taking your calls and emails. You can listen. Live most weeks beginning at eight. Pm Eastern on Sunday nights with the WWE or impacts pay per view. Go on the air at the conclusion of that pay per view you can listen. Live but of course. The full show is available for download on demand anytime shortly after it airs visit. Pw Torch Daily Task Dot Com and click the livestream linked to find the next scheduled live. Show Lincoln Search. Pw Torch an apple podcasts or your podcast APP to subscribe wrestling night in America every Sunday. Twa Torch Daily Dot Com can bike mic absolutely. Yeah I was just going to jump in here and and for my weight and and what's really interesting about this all the and you and I have talked about this before the perception that you know make arches former your work for the Awa will really my TV experience for the Awa was about six months. That was it in the end. The same thing you know and I've been on a fan of it for you know fifty plus years and I did publicity for Vernon Wally and so on and so forth. I think what you're asking is. Maybe I don't know from an emotional standpoint. Maybe from a business standpoint how to burn change As time was going on and as things were changing. If if that's you know that's the perception that I'm getting the way that I saw it and this is probably from. Oh man maybe the early seventies on Things really started to change even back. Then because in the early seventies Wtc MTV Of course hosted the Awa all star wrestling network the syndicated TV they were owned by Chris. Craft and in the early Seventies. I WANNA say seventy three maybe seventy four. The station was changed. Changed ownership in Metromedia TV. Bought them out and they weren't really big. Fans of professional wrestling was kind of a necessary evil to them and when they I made that change. I don't know if they didn't like Vernon if they were butting heads or what the situation may have been but because of that they kind of move the AWA television show all over the board at least in the Minneapolis market. I've talking in terms of when it aired. So bad pissed vernal off a little bit at the same time. He released the original movie. The wrestler which had an initial rate response and then totally petered out. So there was some stress there You know again going back to the early seventies and at the same time they have stressed started to trickle down to wally carvel. So then Vernon Wally. Kinda have this adversarial relationship a little bit and and burn became you know on. Television is the charisma. You can't argue with it. I mean he was just a phenomenal guy. And if you call vernon good mood nobody better. I mean he was just a gem of a guy but the stress was starting to get through them and I think what happened from the seventies right on through the end systematically things started to Kinda chip away at burns arm rule little bit and I don't know of hostile is the right word but he. He became more protective. I think he became more defensive of his product and I think he came Just a well. He was always a fast master like I said he was always a perfectionist with the boys but I think he just started to have a little bit of an edge to them and sometimes you could feel it. You didn't see it on television but if you were in the background you saw your felted. The boys talked about it and You know I it was I guess. Kind of a slow erosion of the empire if that makes any sense. I'm fascinated by five earned because I got to see the tail end of vern as a public Washington tail end. It was a long stretch of time but relative to what you experienced mic and Kenny. As long as you knew him I. The Post retirement years mostly as an adult. I was just a kid when he was a wrestler and the public figure when he do the W radio appearances just an institution. Am station still around. He was he was amazing. I mean I still to this day. I'm not sure that there's more charismatic sports figure more UNASSUMING DISARMING CHARISMATIC. Nice Guy Public figure Denver. Ganja but boy did I see the other side of it. I mean I. I mean not a lot but enough that I heard stories of it and I guess my question I you make and I'm kind of curious with Kenny too. But do you make. Do you think that Vernon was phony? When he was being nice in public or was it more complicated than that and he's he deserves a more a nuanced explanation. Which is he enjoyed being a public figure in a celebrity but behind the scenes. He just we all have our moves. We all have our sides to our to our personalities when the when the cameras were off he kind of let loose Eric. Bischoff one time told me you know. Terry Taylor was his whipping boy because he had so much stress and he knew he could get away with it and he knew Terry could take it and so during the nitro years. W W Eric would just take it out on on Terry Taylor but publicly air couldn't do that in front of everybody or in public is much better public perception than Eric did. But long question short mic. Do you think he was phony? When he's being nice or did he just have a range of of moods and personalities during that from say the early seventies through the early nineties when he kind of faded from the limelight. I don't think he was only when he was being nice. Wait I think at and You know people have talked about this in the business. If you've got away from the stress of the wrestling business. He was phenomenal. And you know you talk about the you know. Probably the most charismatic guy ever. I couldn't agree more. He had that Verne gone. You smile and I mean this guy could disarm anybody and he walked into a room and the way. He carried himself again. Just a genuinely nice guy and I think I don't think this is really strange in in the business world wait. I think there's a lot of people like that especially high level executives. You know they get on public. You get them out of the ivory tower and they're great when you get them back you know in that In that realm where they've got the You know the dollars and cents and the calculators and everything else and in front of them it becomes a different story and again you ha- you add to the stress of what was going on around vern out the time He had never experienced anything like he did one that WWF started to you know infiltrate. I mean this is this was his turf the Awa was Yep. That's all he knew. That's all we knew and all of a sudden you know it's it's starting to dismantle so you had all this stress and it's what do I do now and everything became really really difficult. So you know to your original point. Was He for me when he was smiling and shaking hands and public absolutely. I think that was the real version. Ganja I just feel like you know when when the the wheels started to fall off it. Got To be an awful lot and You know he reacted that way. And you may have a point. You know what I mean and again. I don't think this is anything strange. I think you know if if you're a business owner there's always one or two people in the office the grunts or whoever it is however you perceive them. They're going to take the heat for the things that are going on around you and and what An interesting point you know. I've talked about the incident between Vernon I in Las Vegas. You don't WanNa screamed and yelled at me over. Something that you know was really minimal. And when I talked to Nick Balk Winco body and nick was on his way to New York so he really didn't care when I asked him about it. He said you know you gotta understand. Bird's not yelling at you. You know he said Jack Lanson. I are probably the only two guys burn as in yelled ad in the last ten years. It's because of everything that was going on around him. So I think on the overall was vern Ganja Nice guy absolutely I think he was a great guy I think his public persona and his charity work and everything else was the real version. Ganja behind the scenes the scripts would get. That's that's my perception of it from a distance again. I only work with them. You know hand in hand for a short time. Some of pro wrestling's best. Podcasts are V. I. P. Exclusive and you can go. Vip and find out why we have been supported by paid subscribers for over thirty years with our exclusive top-shelf content including pro wrestling torch senior columnist. Bruce Mitchell with the Bruce Mitchell audio show. I usually host that program though he has a variety of guest hosts with different themes and unmatched historical insight but primarily providing insight and hard hitting analysis and opinion on what today's news means. 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Join THE RANKS. So the most well informed and most entertained pro wrestling fans with the best podcast lineup anywhere. Go VIP and get these shows with the removed. Also a huge bonus. Pw TORCH VIP INFO DOT COM. Kenny again to you. A burn start in the wrestler movie Some point to that as a timeframe around which he went from being more like two more scrutinized by wrestlers and his colleagues fellow promoters even and by the eighties. I mean I heard really negative things about fern within the industry. You sounds like you got to see more More disarming version of somebody who when he was around you was relaxed and and just kind of appreciated what you were able to do for him in the ring. One of the things you were known for and I know Harley race complimented for this Kenny. Is You made your opponents. Look like a million bucks in that ring and it sounds like just always appreciated that about you. Well Yeah and You know like I said. I wrestled over and many times that we had a great measures. You know I mean he. Greg my ribs once but it was Having resigned but You know but I really You know I still are three. Shared the guy and the like you see. He was a promoter and He's GonNa book you know and If he's if you don't like you he's not GonNa kill you know so it's it's it's just a scratch. My bagger got your back or something but I I love the guy you know. I'll never you know his leg. I liked the crusher bag doll. You know I- I wrestle Amal and I I loved it while you know I mean. I don't care they they'd be home in my bed neighbor day. So and Mitch Cards helped me so you know I just I just appreciate all guys. That helped me absolutely Kenny. I didn't have a chance to talk to you before the show. But if you have to go you let me know if not would be happy to have you stick around to for more show. But I don't have time okay. Great excellent very good again. 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Ed hellier going on about sixteen seventeen years now very very proud of the fact that you know some of the alumni Adam Pearce see Punk Colt Cabana. Eysenck deal. I mean it's just Austin Aries. Yeah I mean it's it's a great alumni. I mean Sean delivery. It's really really proud of it. And we're running shows about every five six weeks richfield American Legion Just outside of Minneapolis and then once a year we do a big show at the Hopkins Pavilion. And that'll be coming up in July so very very proud of what we're doing there so that That keeps me busy and You know I'm on. I'm on facebook. Twenty four seven. You know I might sleep for ten minutes but then I'm back on there and of course they've got a I got a wrestling fan page. typically old school wrestling. It's it's kind of the emphasis called slick mix wrestling fan page of all things and old time wrestling so you get a chance to check out and yeah. I'm I'm still keeping my name out there. I'm not waiting for that. 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Six five zero six five zero. Thank you for calling and holding. Please state your name and the city. You're calling from noon. This is Dante. I'm out in the San Francisco Bay area and I thank you for taking my call. Great thanks I wanted to Offer again my condolences on the passing of burn gone. Yeah quite a legend. I I grew up out here in the bay area in the bay area and I grew up as far back as the very late sixties and seventies with Ray Stevens Pat Patterson and the great restaurants out here. I wanted offer some Quick Air Bay. Area perspectives on. Burn Ganja and how much we appreciate it him First of all if you go back to the first Roy Shire Card in March nineteen sixty one referring to actually wrestled on that card cell. He was involved in the Bay Area Card with Roy. Shire just before Roy really exploded with Ray Stevens Pepper Storm viewed Moving up to nineteen eighty one. We were losing shires territory. He was spilling out wrestling to Kansas City. And then Florida and the cards worse dissipating and he was laying out and suddenly. Awa appeared on our on our local television station so We started getting cards in January of nineteen eighty one and basically. We weren't going to have live wrestling here. I was going to be the odd show was going to be difficult to find and thanks to burn bringing wrestling out here. You know that gave us two or three years before the national started coming in. Wwe and then ended up so I really appreciated that. He did that. I never our thing. I'd want to ask you guys for your For your comments on. Wouldn't you make the arguments? That burnt geographically was kind of the most national promotion at the time. Say Nice by Nineteen eighty-one. You can attest that and we can talk to Kenny after that about all the cities he wrestled in just when you look at a map make of the territories and even Google this wrestling wrestling territories nineteen seventies. Just Google that look at the images. I know they're up there. I've seen it before. The Awa just covers the largest swath of land from Chicago to Denver. And then a leap to San San the San Francisco Bay area mic. Talk talk about that aspect of it. You know. That's really interesting too because I think the perception and maybe it's because of the wrestling magazines was always of the big three. The Awa was number three and that was never never right. I mean they did have that much territory they did. Cover that much ground. You know. All the way from the bay area You know of course in San Francisco and Denver and Omaha Milwaukee Chicago Green Bay Winnipeg. I mean yeah they were. They were all over the place and and for some reason you know it was like Bach. Winkle was always perceived number three behind. Maybe you're back Leonard or your whole gun or your ric flair or or whoever? That absolutely is not is not correct. I mean that's that's a wrong perception and you know the caller alluded to you know Verne going into the bay area. There and of course he was working with his old tag team partner and friend the late. Leona Malini Bringing some shows out to Oakland and in that area we always helping to promote shows. So yeah I mean there's no question about it the Awa the scope of what they had Was just incredible and being an Awa guy is I am. I never could understand why the perception was as it was that you get you. Wwf and you got NWEA. Oh and by the way you got Awa because that is just ask backwards to me all energetic to your right mic that that was how I saw the national wrestling magazines. Also we're kind of used to it here. In Minnesota you know in a lot of ways in terms of the perception of that being here in the Midwest but the WWF W. WWF at the time was had New York. It was in the east coast a large part of the east coast so the national wrestling magazines. Based largely out of these coast would favor them New York Madison Square Garden. That's a big deal and the NWEA got an advantage over the Awa in the sense that the Awa was a territory a large one but the NWEA was dozens of territories. Or you know more than a dozen make territories and so just from pure how many shows on a given weekend is the NBA running. Well if you count all the NWEA territories a lot more than the AWA but as far as if you split off the NWEA territories and treat them as individual territories. The Awa was in many ways many times by many metrics the largest and I know wrestlers made great money working for the Awa Kenny talk about your travels. And the SCULPT AWA end its growth during during those peak years. Well you know I I. I wasn't like Full-time or or as a big star like Bach winkle run gone. Yeah Billy Robinson but I did it all right. Judo I I got to wrestle. Denver I gotTA Reser Chicago. I got wrestled. Green Bay Milwaukee and even Thunder Bay. You know I got around a lot you know but I had my business go on. I was landscaping. You know so I wasn't in full time but I'll tell you one thing In these times they needed me someplace. I was capable. Kitty Jay and I would be their Yup. We're about to go to another commercial break. Why are you listening to commercial breaks? Why deal with these interruptions when you can become a VIP member support the weight? Keller pro wrestling podcast. Wait Tiller progressing. Poll shows the Peterlee Torch daily casts and the entire team and everything that we do. And get a ton of return for your membership by becoming. Vip member go to POW TORCH VIP INFO DOT COM for full details. Thirty plus years of archives of podcast Retro Radio Shows Over Sixteen hundred back issues of the pro wrestling torch weekly newsletter fascinating march through our coverage of wrestling history and so much more including ad free versions of the way. Keller podcast wake up both shows. 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Yeah I'M GONNA throw in one more quick comment. I wonder if you guys hear me out and see what you thought of this In Nineteen eighty-one Ray Stevens and PAT. Patterson were on the villain side of the dressing room in the AWA. However Bay area there was no way that burn could book them as villains or as heels. They were just weren't gonNA get booed so I appreciated his aforethought in kind of going against the system and he books Ray and pat as complete baby faces out here manually. I yeah even in those March nineteen. You were offended against style Jerry Blackwell for the first time I leave there with a mask where Ray Stevens in. The crusher teamed up against the Donaldson Torah which wo usual out here so I applaud fern for having the business sense at the end of the day you had to have the business sense and Yeah the K. Part was a little different stuff. They're all three of you. I appreciate very much appreciate that Dante before you go. What years were you most immersed in following awa? You've mentioned what's what's the range of years that you watch. I'm growing up. I always had read the magazines. Do I was aware of all the Federations but they first came to our. Uhf STATION NUMBER. Twenty in. Nineteen eighty or nineteen eighty. Let's say they nineteen eighty and it was just grow for us because Shire Federation was burning out. They were looking out or they were having good cards but they just weren't having enough of them and their fan base The first card in Awa was January of nineteen eighty one. It was a battle royal and it was a big sell out. Mr Non Malini. I used to see him wearing his blackened strikes. I we went up and he would always be in the arena The next two cars were both Bernie defenses against Jerry Blackwell and so I just felt I was honored to have gotten a C. Burn wrestle You Know Jerry. Blackwell of course wouldn't have been my first phone and I would have preferred to see a boxing match. But you know just being able to get perceiver and come into the ring and put the best up with a towel around his neck. You know just really great We followed them and went to the card consistently from B. One Two bay for a I mean all the way through ray basically but the cards were consistently about six weeks from eighty one to eighty four eighty five easily then it spread out a little bit more. They moved from Oakland to San Francisco as well. The SOD buster had to come out to one occasion for four more. Not right who who in the eighties? I Yeah I say yeah from. My biggest greer was sixty and sixty seventies and late early eighties. You know. That's when I got hit hard with arteritis you know so I had. I had the canceled a lot of matches but then after that I made a big comeback. I mean as far as the health goals but I I I Russell odd after you know even Vern Awa was gone then the little shows and I I did a lot of wrestling. You know but the Dow I am done. I took my copy of the wrestler Just two nights ago and I watched it once or twice over really enjoyed. Now is a great movie. It will always be in my collection and I think I'm GONNA have to go find my old. Vhs VHS tapes and fanatic. Actually I dr vern. We would the war here Rob Dinners Gobi. Very really gotten bad. And he's getting. How come you weren't on the movie raspberries and I know that you should have been on there? Well Kinda laid but thanks a lot guys. Wait I was also at Awa Super Class three where Mr Hennig won his awa title all vertical really. Yeah so I basically I've grown up with wrestling and I basically been to every event air in the San Francisco Bay area over probably forty or so years. I'm dating myself bed. But thank you for what you do. I appreciate the time and being able to expound. Thanks Dante that's great. Glad you called. Have you subscribed to the POW torch daily cast yet? 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The shows or find out more information. Pw TORCH DAILY CASTS DOT COM mic. I knew win. Dwa watching here in. Minneapolis Saint Paul We talked about going to San Francisco like as a fan that made me think. Wow the AWA is big time. It's not just the Minneapolis. Champion of Saint Paul Is. It really gave the impression that the AWA was was big time. What did what. How did the perception of the AWA change for you over the years as you learned more about the larger wrestling see nationally and internationally and burnt? Ghana's place in it and what is kind of stepping back from it? It also the big picture legacy of Verne Ganja. I always say it's kind of a shame that the Monday night war Roberson Nitro Ted Turner. Buying out. Nwea the top promoter. Jim Crockett junior at the time. Changing the name w w the lineage of the NWEA because of WCW and WWF. Buying them out. And of course W. F. as the winners on the last man standing so to speak. They W GETS SHORT. Short changed in terms of historical recognition. But it is as significant as any territory during the sixties and seventies so kind of. Where's Vern Ganja placement? As as a major star having headlined in so many different cities and for so long with such success the reality is weighed. I think it depends on who you talk to and sad to say. A lot of people. Don't remember their perception of Verne. Gonyea is from the nineteen eighties on you know. I mean it's hard to you know. We're talking thirty five years ago so it really is generation but the people who even watch some of the Verne Guy and Youtube and and I know Donte was talking about nick. Bach Winkelmann burn even. Then you Verne's fifty years old plus and when Verne lost the title debacle in one thousand nine hundred eighty one In one thousand nine hundred ninety five Verona's already forty nine years old so his place in wrestling. I think it depends on who you talk to somebody like me. Somebody like George Shire. I know that Verne Ganja is absolutely one of the one of the real honest to God legends in wrestling and he should be noted as such a long before they were at the Saint. Paul Civic Center. Yeah you're fifty sixty seventies. Whatever anybody we've talked about this before anybody who was anybody came through the wwl territory especially from nineteen sixty odd and you think of all the guys that burn trained and they went on to become great great stars so in the scheme of things of burnt out on. You was the pioneer You know on the Dumont in Chicago. He was one of the first nationally known wrestling stars. In the nineteen sixties the AWA came into prominence in the seventies. She Got Bockel Stevens You know the cluster met slot area. Everybody is on top. I mean this is one hell of a territory and even until I'm GonNa say maybe wrestle rock. Some people will say that. That was kind of the You know the first indicator after wrestling wrestle rock that things were going downhill In the scheme of things in Ganja was a big time player will understand the impact that he had not only as a professional wrestling celebrity but as a wrestler and that the difference because You know and I saw the wwe. And God bless them. They put up a TRIVIA VIDEO VERN. Ganja the other a and and. I'm sure they're sincere condolences but they refer to burn is a sports entertainer and believe me. That would be the last thing to burn would wanna be called this sports entertainer because he was a wrestler he was a bonafide tough guy and he gave professional wrestling. I think this goes to to your point about what did he mean to the old school fan. He gave wrestling credibility. He gave wrestlers credibility These are the kind of guys that he would wanna put on top in the AWA. The Bach wingels even mad dog had the amateur wrestling background. And Burn. And Billy Robinson and Wilbur Snyder and guys like this if you if you were top in the Awa you were on top with a wrestling company. So in that sense to me. The Awa was probably and burned. Ganja was probably the last vestige of old school suspend the disbelief. These guys are great wrestlers an amateur wrestling background. They no no. They're holes. This is the real deal It may have been the last of it with the AWA. So in terms of legacy That's the imprint. That's the impact and vern. Ganja was recognized by sports illustrated in the year. Two thousand as one of the fifty greatest sports figures from each state and Verne was in his prime years and if so credible because of what he accomplished as an amateur wrestler and that was vern really looked to that. I mean even Scott Norton and the ad when I interviewed her in Ganja. The first torch talk I ever did and I wrote about this in this week's pro wrestling torch newsletter. And I put excerpts of of this remarkable interview that kind of opened my eyes to what interview could be like when somebody opened up and talked openly about the inner workings of the business. It's very ironic. Verne was the person who started that the torch tongue series of insider interviews but he talked about his frustrations within McMahon stealing all his talent. Now already at work to get there and build it up comedy. Had and of course the sad infamous comet about bruiser brody getting what he asked for in reference to probably getting what he asked for in reference to getting murdered in the locker room at Puerto Rico wrestling show he was. He opened up in a way that he probably never had been before because he had been probably interviewed and by mainstream media in a more fluffy way. And I asked him questions he wanted to answer and I even at that point still the teenager very early in the torch ears. I was able to ask him some probing questions that got him to open up and and he talked about the value of of skin. That injury Scott Norton being an arm wrestling champion. Like he looked for anything. That was a legit sports background as the foundation. Give credibility to his talent or his wrestlers. That he that he featured and vern came from that he was hugely successful. Ncw Wrestler at the University of Minnesota with multiple big ten titles and NCWA championships and also a real standout a good football player. And I believe he played or tried out for Green Bay packers. Maybe but yeah I mean. Just that legit sports background was really important to him and he always looked for that and that was something that gave pro wrestling which wasn't on the up and up and people were always skeptical of it but it wasn't as well known or spoken about Obviously it was. People didn't speak openly about how pro wrestling operated. If much if at all in the fifties sixties and seventies it Vern really hung onto that to the end. In fact when he talked to me about Hogan Hulk Hogan every taught him everything he didn't know anything and I taught him but make one of her big legacies. Kind of trying to lead here in. This is Hogan Vern Ganja doesn't get in most circles in some circles he does but in most circles doesn't get the credit he deserves for creating Hulkamania for directing Hulk Hogan and how to be a top. Ab Face. I mean I think would be valuable for Roman reigns right now to tie it into today's wrestling scene. Vern about that with me and that torch talk and Hogan gave shout out to him after he died this week. Talk about Verne's instinct for being a baby face and what he did to help Hulk Hogan become this huge star that Vincent Man Basically recruited and signed away from well. I'm going to take a step back first and then I'll you know know you brought up a great point about burn wanting to legitimize wrestling in any way he could. I mean first and foremost it was the amateur wrestling background. If you had that if you were the Brad rings or you know or Larry. Hanoch or anybody like that and bird could say look at this guy's amateur wrestling background. He was the real deal. you know. That was first and foremost with him. But you know you brought up a great point. Scott Norton had the arm wrestling championship. Background can participate a world class weightlifter. So as long as vern could mention guys it he was bringing into the business that had legitimate legitimate amateur. Sports background it legitimized professional wrestling. And you know it was and again I get to the point about Hulk Hogan and a second. You know the point that you brought up about interviewing vern and him being used to fluff questions and not being used to who you know getting asked the hard hitting questions. I can only imagine what that was like for earned guide. Yeah I mean it'd be because you don't vern and Nick Bach Winkle and guys like this that held onto the very absolute end in defending the business and the the realism end legitimacy of it that had to be totally abhorrent to Verne to get questions like that and you know I knew him I and I know he didn't when he trained guys he didn't smarter them up until it was time to the ring. I mean starting slaughter and Rick Flair guys like that. They'll talk about that. They went through the training camp and Verney was absolutely a hundred percent legitimate on the level. You know until it was time for you to be told otherwise so You know that was again. You know just just kind of to your point about vern you know reaching out to the to the other amateur sports as far as what he did with. Hulk Hogan absolutely you know there's another one you and burn does have a right or did have a right to be upset because he did mold Hulk Hogan you know all along with Gregg and the other guys were in the Awa at the time Nick and Ray Stevens and whoever else they directed the sky they taught him how to cut a promo they you know. Hogan was was pretty stiff. You know when he first came in and he was doing his promos you know especially as he'll promos. Audi st always had somebody talking for them you know Fred Blassie or whoever it was and vern really did direct him and I can understand his consternation and being aggravated because everybody all whole cogan burst onto the scene and you know nobody gives fern credit or there was no hulk Hogan career before Nineteen eighty-four in the eyes of some people. There was no whole Holden's and his t-shirts mic that are out now say Hulkamania established in one thousand nine hundred four or nineteen eighty-three. Yeah it's just it's and that's disgusting because you're you got a guy for a couple of years that he was here in the aws. I mean those thousand nineteen thousand Sell out to the St Paul Civic Center and you know they were doing that all over the horn no matter where HOGAN WITH CHICAGO MILWAUKEE DENVER. It was sell out crowds and basically to you know to crap on that and say you know there was no whole Cogan. There was no Hulkamania until he'd beat the Iron Sheik is absolutely bs and yet I completely understand why vern was upset by that. I will say in my interview with with fern. I don't think I the questions I asked. Were not in any way like confronting him or or challenging him to speak about how matches were a work because it just wasn't done but just asking him about Vince McMahon and the expansion into German territory the signing away of talent his thoughts on I knew when I asked about one carbo or or bruiser brody different people that he had up down relationships with. I figured I'd probably get some sort of you know I was trying to. I didn't ask about Kenny. Jake's figured he'd say Nice Guy. I wanted to get more provocative answers but was when I asked about a Hulk Hogan he says I think he came along at a very opportune time and that line really jumps out because I wrote in the cover story in this torture newsletter about how Ho came around an opportune time in the sense. That Verne retires in May of eighty-one Hogan is headlining a couple months. Later a few months later as the lead baby face a completely different type wrestler than fern was used to burn is much is he gets. He's given a hard time for staying with the times and being behind the Times he had. Maybe reluctantly maybe gritting his teeth. But he didn't he did not refuse to push hulk. Hogan on top visit doesn't think didn't think Daniel Bryan was worthy of being on top and it took only complete rejection of Batista and injuries and all kinds of other things for him to get a short run and we'll never know how would have gone with him because of all the health problems and injuries afterwards but I actually went with Hogan keep promoted him. On top and hope was hugely successful than it really was a transitionary time that preceded wrestlemainia that preceded the rock and wrestling connection vern being willing to give a headline spot and and directing Hogan in a way that maximized what can had an and. I want to go to Kenny Hogan Second Foot. Make your thoughts on that and that Verne. Maybe gets a bad rap for not you know yes. He didn't keep going around and they had business disputes. But Hogan was when it gets everything for an stood for and yet he still of course the money was everything pushed him to the top. I think you hit it right on the head. Their money was everything and as much as vern wanted to maintain that old school mentality. You know all of a sudden my God the cash registers are overflowing everywhere with Hulk Hogan so I mean he basically had no choice. I mean this guy's there. Hey let's let's ride tidier and you know. Certainly money talks to But not including putting Hogan over is the champion and that I think is is really came here to Wayne was kind of damned if you do damned if you don't because you know here. This guy is on top. And he's feuding with everybody from David Schultz. Jesse Ventura Mr Saito. You know right on down the line right. Yeah but Bach. We go again Joe. It came time. Switch the strap and that wasn't going to happen You Know Verne still went with the old guard. He still went with the wrestler And I mean that from a from a technical standpoint. He went was a wrestler as opposed to the big muscular blond guy from Venice Beach But again it goes back to you know again what you said a little bit earlier on you know the burn you know. Maybe he got a bad rap because he didn't hang on to hold onto long. Maybe got a bad rap because he He didn't the strap on them. Maybe in retrospect he should have done that but in terms of what he created with whole Cogan. Absolutely it's documented. That's another part of Oregon legacy that people should absolutely recognize and You know again boy. The Times were changing back. Then I think the whole thing was so rule wind for Verne back in the day and again when he retired and he came back in. Nineteen eighty-six for wrestle rock. You know how old was he was sixty some years old when he came back or sixty sixty when he came back restaurants and you know the whole wrestling world is just like flying away from him and he did everything he could. You know you mentioned earlier. The part about you know. Burn keep up with the times and he should have done this and that you know what you know. Since he really tried given the the parameters of what trying was to burn Ganja he left the old studio the small studio format he went out to Atlantic city. He went out to the showboat in Las Vegas. He tried different things. Yeah he went with the midnight rockers. You know and he I mean he really tried as best as he could while he was gritting his teeth. You know to to kind of go with the flow. But you know it just wasn't to be people who say you know did burn hang onto long? Was He with old school mentality. You know who didn't Vince outlast? In the scheme of things and everybody everybody's gone I mean some people it took longer than others but he outlasted everybody. Nobody kept up with them. And I wil as far as giving Hogan the belt VIN vern liked. He worked with people in the especially in the seventies but even the sixties who were friends of his or the crusher. You know a love hate relationship with businesswise over the years but you know he. Nick Bach Winkle were there was a trust there. And there wasn't with Stan. Hansen Stan. Hansen came in after Hulk. Hogan was part of kind of parallel. The Road Warrior era the Post Hogan Road Warrior and Stan Hansen and Rick. Martel Awa kind of before the last chapter of Bisco in the rockers and buddy rose and Doug somers and Hanson walked out and didn't come in and they had to just hand at boxing title different title belt than the one Hanson left with no showed and maybe vern looked at that and said you know what had I given Hogan Belt. That probably would happen earlier with Hulk. Now you could say that's Burns fault for the weekend business with talent but vern may have looked at the Hansen incident as as kind of a validation of his unwillingness to go all the way with Hogan before he felt more comfortable on a business relationship and friendship with them because hope was of a different generation in vern was used to working with his generation Bach winkle crusher Stevens Patterson Robinson and Macau did that play into it that was just a different generation. Verne was having a hand over the keys to the shift to somebody that he just didn't know where trust besides the fact that hope wasn't that amateur stand out. That was a great point weight. And if you think about it and you mentioned Stan Hansen. That's a perfect example. And then bruiser brody bringing in bruiser brody. I mean there's guys came in that were totally hundred and eighty different than what Verne was used to and guys would never in a million years think I would bring in the road. Warriors perfect example. You know you go back to to Jesse Ventura one thousand nine hundred eighty four. You Know Jesse. All of a sudden he's gone. You know one day you know verbs portion of the next day he's gone Brody is walking out in the middle of matches. Dan Hansen runs over a title belt. I is this is. This is the generation that burn was dealing with and and so clearly you can understand why he turns to the Bach wiggles he turns to the Baron von Raschke sadly to the detriment of the AWA. Because you know the guys were you know into their fifties at the time. Although you know an argument could be said that Nicholas still phenomenal. Even you know in one thousand nine hundred eighty six when he wrestled. Kurt Nicholas Fifty two years old or whatever. It was When they went to a one hour Broadway but but again I mean just Yeah totally Generational Mick Nichols Auditorium. I want to jump in and say this to wrestling fake wrestling fans love undertaker at age fifty wrestling. Wrestlemainia fans have been clamoring for five years for sting who finally at age fifty five the same year as verts retirement match the same age showed up at Wrestlemainia for the first time in wrestled triple h triple H in his mid forties still put himself on TV. All the time more than Virginia did. Probably I duNno. Ratio-wise maybe similar. It happens in every generation and and so many different territories and different settings the legendary wrestlers when they left wrong power end up. Still THE FANS. Don't pay to see him and obviously when somebody whether it's it's undertaker and staying don't have a stake in the company or somebody like AAA who does. There's a temptation to either take the payday. Or keep your grip on that power that comes from being the star of the show because nobody can take that away from you vern. Ganja though was criticised late sixties through the say mid seventies because he had so much talent to work with the WHO were big stars but he held on as champion and I guess one question I want I want to give to you. Make did did vern deserve criticism. During that time. For hanging on too long because billy superstar Billy Graham Nick Bog winkle Ray Stevens crusher billy Robinson you can list big names should vern have given a turn to them on top especially when crusher was by a lot of metrics bigger draw vernon certain markets Yes I I think he probably should have given them a turn here. Here's the thing I mean you go back a little bit. A little bit farther than that. Like to the sixties he would give crusher attorney and he would have mad. Dog was on top for a couple of years. So you know as it got into the late sixties into the early seventies then vern started to cling to the biltmore and put himself on top more and for longer periods of time. And and that kind of thing and you know that was not a good thing And and part of the problem to wade is back then and again. You're talking one thousand. Nine hundred seventy two. I think is a perfect example. Seventy two seventy three. When he had all that talent that you're talking about vern defended the AWA title. I believe and this is not just in the twin cities. This is like all over the horn a dozen times or fifteen times the entire year and I think that added to the perception of wait a minute now. You know you're getting on in years burn. You don't look so good when you're in the rain you know and you know you you get ring rust. I mean let's face it. You know you wrestle. You know that infrequently and you're on top so bad added to the perception that maybe he should have passed the title around because he did have tremendous talent back. Then so yeah. Is there in all different? Hang onto long. Yeah but as you said he certainly not alone every every major promotion Especially when the guy owns the company. They've done the same thing everywhere and I think with burn sad to say the last ten years of his career because he rustled so infrequently. It was more glaring that he wasn't passing the title around. Yeah Yeah now is not the time to for razors at the drug store. Harry's no sometimes it's better to stay inside and that's why they shipped directly to you so you can experience the quality of Harry Shave in just a few days from the convenience of your own home. Here's razors because of the fit and finish of the razor blade for me. I don't like putting a cheap plastic blade or a heavy blade. That's off balance up against my face when I'm shaving. 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This guy look at the way the crowds reacting to him. Or did you look at them? Somewhat skeptically going. This might be a fad. Because he doesn't look like the main event wrestlers who who. I've been in the ring with that. I've watched rob a crowd. So what was your perception? At that time I really look at him as a great adly great wrestler. He had a great physique. He had potential. You know he had everything going for him you know. And he was young and he had everything going for them and I would have to give anything in my My soul to be like him you know but I. There's no way I could because I wasn't in that great shape but he did have everything going for him and I got you all the credit for what did and all you know. He did And He made. He made him saw something themselves. I gotTa give him credit for that. Would you say that at that time you were in favor of of him? Being the new lead baby face the lead hero of the AWA. Did you look at this and go? Yeah this is the next big star well not a bad time because he just came into the territory and you know there was a great guy. You know walkway over and gone belly. Roberson you know he had to go to Grace Sable there to get to get on top you know but So he he had a lot to go yet. A lot of ways older yet on top but Like I said he had everything. Go on Vermeer's young. He had the physique he had to Allen he was. He was a great great wrestler. Kenny who was vern Ganja friends with among wrestlers. And who did he simply have a business relationship with among the top names? We've talked about or some of the other wrestlers that That were around. Burn a lot in other words. Who were his friends who he would call his friend. They would call him there in. Who looked at vern as a boss and colleague but really not a friend. He had wrestlers on the side. You know like the crusher. You know he was. He was a great guy. You know and And like I said when the when I was interviewed when he died. I said there will never be another crush air. You know and now verizon and they'll never be another verd- you know I mean. They all had their own ways and their own style. You don't like mad dog you know he's gone and he was a great friend of mine even though he kicked the crap out of me many times you don't but He did a lot of help for my benefit. You know and I appreciate what these guys and you know. It's hard to it's a you know. So Dale worrying there. They did their thing. They're all the rating. WanNa do great in the so I over and has the he has some good talent. You know so what he did. Good I I gotta say that where for Virgin was a great promoter. A great wrestler degrading family. Mem- when you were around the matches did vern carry himself as one of the boys or as the boss who separated himself out of necessity from mingling. Like you might have with other wrestlers did did I kind of have to put himself in a separate area or did he. Just if you didn't know he was the boss. Would you observe backstage? No he was funny would say that because I know one time he came in the TV station. He said I'm here. You're you guys are working for me you know and I couldn't believe that but You know it wasn't directly to me. But you know they they use for TV. They usually get guys in from Chicago and Canada. You know and And and some guys would reese Adams or looking you know but he he was a businessman. It was not a promoter. He was a businessman and he did. It does a great because you can look back on on his Ferrario and he did. He made money you know. So he was a great businessman Great Wrestler and he did everything right to t- so you know Vernon said he'll me got me Mohammed Ali. He got me in Japan. He got me. Put me in the six man tag. You know he didn't have to but Maybe world is the SOD buster. He's got potential. I don't know what it was but I really appreciate it to this day and I'll never forget it. Thank you for listening to the weight. 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Keller you can also stream the show live at Wade Keller polls show dot com about five minutes after. The show's end on Monday Wednesday and Friday night. Kenny I can I. I'm sorry. Go ahead we let let me ask what I remember. Your thought sure did burn. Ever let his guard down and and relax as especially well at any time that you were around him or did he had different jobs. Kenny and you know the boss can only be so friendly with people who is writing paychecks out to right did never really let his guard down at the bar afterwards. Or when you're hanging out waiting around for this that or the other thing or travelling or did fern Kinda always have to have his guard up. Treat himself like Hey. You guys worked for me on the bus. No he the guy down sometime. I know we went to a fishing trip where he's He's placed in In Minnesota here and we you know he d- He D- He had parties for the guy sometimes. Now and then you know and we had would while they boy don't went out fish on and then we brought fish. I mean they made. That was once every five years or so. You know but he. He wasn't always a stern You know do this do that but He was a great guy and say once in a while he wouldn't let his hair down sorta speaking of but And and be a family man and a great great. You Know Promoter Mick. Yeah go ahead what I was going to say. Wait I. That's that's a good point and again I I you know. Talk not from first-hand experience because I was on the peripheral edges there and only would see certain things or hear certain things from the boys to your point about whether or not he had friends. I think he did. But it really depended on who you were And I don't know if it was necessarily the pecking order But and some of the younger guys that I would talk to who may have been disgruntled over the years working for her and of course you know these same guys made money you know they you know for all the the pissing and moaning that they do or did they certainly made money back in the day and and They didn't complain about that but I I don't know that had a wide social circle among the wrestlers I think Verne social circle was the rest of society. If that makes sense it does And maybe a handful of guys. I know that you know he and nick were were close. from a business standpoint again going back to the to the early sixties Wilbur. Snyder I think he and mad dog Rashad had a real good relationship with each other so I think it depends on who you were. Maybe not so much the undercard guys maybe their perception was you know. The burn is the boss. And I'm over here I think what I saw as time went on. And certainly my tenure in the Awa back in eighty seven. Eighty Eight I there really was a separation and maybe that was because of the tension. They add that the business had changed and things were changing a little bit. You know for burn so there really was that line drawn in the sand and you have the boys over here for the most part burn was over here and it's interesting. I mean even guys like Barron Raskin and Larry Hannigan Stan Kowalski Guys. Who you know made a lot of money and worked for burn for years and years and war on top. I don't necessarily think they would say the Verne was their best friend. But from a business standpoint. He took care of him. And you know what you don't have to be friends necessarily you know if if this is a business and we're making money And burn being the perfectionist in the in the professional that he was You know that that's just the way it was and You know I so school of Friends. Yeah the whole community was his school of France. I don't necessarily know about the boys per se but he didn't look down at the rest of like well they work for me. I'm friends with the governor. And with God's Oh Yeah. Yeah no no absolutely not. I think that you know again to your point earlier. was ruining genuine guy. Absolutely he was and and I think when it came to business business business and you know whether he was the taskmaster at the TV studios you know cutting promos for fifteen hours and banging his forehead when you know when the Promo go correctly or whatever it was you know that was the one side of burn gone yet it. It was business. We got a product here that we want to be believable. We want it to be you know top notch we want. No you know. We want to cross all the t's and dot the I's and make sure that this is the real deal. You CAN'T BLAME THEM FOR THAT. 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Wherever you get your podcasts. I do want to say to you know. His final years suffering from Alzheimer's. He was mostly out of the public guy. He made that appearance three years ago. A little over three years ago at a A showing of the nineteen eighty four movie. The wrestler Gregogna was there. Greg Ghani was live on this show during that showing in the lead up to or because they they did. Multiple airings day in Gregogna was on the show that day and I encourage people listening to this. Vip member you can go right to the torch. Live cast interviews section. Just do a search on your browser for Greg on your Ganja and it'll take you to that page and if your life cast listener you might be able to dig through and find it but that I think it was. I think it was in January of twenty twelve. When when that when that was ratio and vern he had the incident at at a nursing home. gone a scuffle with a fellow. Last time he got a lot of publicity in this market was when he got into some sort of a scuffle with a fellow resident at the Care Center and that resident fell broke his hip and eventually died and then Vernon ended up being taken care of at home. And I've heard that his family cared for specially Donna. Ganja and I mean we haven't you know it's kind of it's not just cliche. I think it's genuine people. Say condolences to the family. But I do want to before we end the show. Make note of the fact that his family stuck by Kathy. And Greg Donna and Donna and others were there to to the absolute very end and I don't have a lot of details on his final days or anything like that but and I haven't seen the family talk about it other than they were by his side to the end and Donna had especially taken on a real intensive role in taking care of her dad during that time. Make you want to talk to Kenny? Because he's mentioned what a good family man from was mic talk about the dynamic with Verne and his kids his daughters and a son and working in the office. Greg working as a wrestler. In what you've heard in recent years about that dynamic if anything well in recent years you talked about the Alzheimer's taking You know taking the toll on Vernon and that is such an insidious insidious disease wait. I mean you know and there's more and more public awareness about it and sad to say a lot of the guys from Bruins era you know are are having difficulty with that and I know you know I. I've heard through the grapevine from some pretty reliable sources over the past few years There were times when it was a living hell You know going through that. Not just with vern. I mean he's the example we're talking about but Again it's insidious and and what the family has to be aware when they're caretaking is just incredible No his kids were incredibly devoted to him. they always were and the always stood up for. They were always they were. Pr For earned. Ganja I mean I remember I had done on on Saturday night ringside and I had Kathy on Saturday. Night a ringside. You know. He had a couple of times. And they were always the spokesman. There were always defending them. They were always defending the Awa so the loyalty was always there. And and of course Greg and it's really interesting. Greg occasionally now will refer to burn as my day Ab but a Lotta Times. He always call him vern over the years and I thought that was really really interesting. But but certainly the respect that he had for his father. justifiably. I think they were very very tight. Knit family and that goes to the extended family two year about the the cousins and brothers and relatives and everybody else You know who just rallied around bird all those years and especially in in the past few years so The family dynamic I think was beyond reproach in When you say condolences to the guy new family I mean condolences. I mean doesn't even begin to scratch service and I actually heard Greg on a podcast yesterday. another podcast and he was talking about the outpouring From the public has just been unbelievable beyond his wildest imagination the outpouring of love and affection for Verne. Ganja so Certainly a tight knit family. I just want to say one thing before we go about Working for ruined Guy And again I did it for a short time and I. I've told you before all those years that I worked for the Awa doing publicity and everything else which was from nineteen seventy-three on I have not talked to earn Ganja until Nineteen eighty-four begin. Imagine that I mean so. I'm doing all this publicity for the newspapers and everything else but wally carbon was my goal. Between so I real association with burn was from Nineteen eighty-four on and then of course in eighty seven when I started working out The showboat A lot of you know there are a lot of people. Say a lot of things about over the years and you know whether it's a former employee or whatever I mean ruined had his quirks you know as as the business was Changing and everything else but I gotta say I mean and you know I'm I'm getting up there too. I'm in Gregory Gym Brazil. You Know Age area and for me a kid of nine years old back in nineteen sixty getting on the ring apron getting burned down his autograph and then having the opportunity to work for him twenty seven years later. I mean vern gotten was my hero. I mean Virginia and Harmon killebrew were made to sports heroes. And whatever you say about Burn Ganja and you know I saw the temporary so the good side I saw the bad side. I was blessed. I was absolutely blessed and honored and it was a privilege to at one time. Be An employee of Verne. Ganja and you know I would just say to any of the young guys who want to study the history of pro wrestling and find out. What a real legend is. Look up run Ganja and I will be eternally grateful to him and Greg For putting me on the payroll and just working alongside burn down you was. It was a gift and I. I'm just I'm blessed. I'm rich band host of the deep dive with Richmond. A weekly part of the Pierre Torch Fairly cast lineup of shirts. Search torch an apple podcasts. Or your podcast. Subscribe every Saturday at six. Pm Eastern. I dive in with guests for an hour and anything in the world of wrestling or wrestling related. WanNa hear about the influence of historical figures. Like big can lead. We got you WanNa hear about how crazy marine movies got we are no topic is too big or too small so if you want to dive in with this call in live or listen on demand and see the entire. Pw Torch daily cast schedule at POW TOWARDS DAILY CASPER DOT COM. Let's let's bring Kenyan final words in that regard to Kenny. Talk about vern as you say as a family man and what what you observed whether it was at one of his party's or at a show when his his family might have been around and maybe even talk about the dynamic with Vernon Greg in the loyalty? That was there. Well I guess they Verne was does He. He loved wrestling he lived for wrestling. You know he did it all his life. Almost you know once he started going to Libya's nine forty eight I'll he He held me so much. You know I mean I was a nobody you know I was just getting injured. Assad buzzer came I'm from Holy Board farmer and and when I came out of the Army I came here to work for Wally Carville and then vern gone. They got in there you know and they helped me so much you know like I say they got to go to Japan for a month. Here and And then the I got the Mohammed Ali and they got three on the six man. You know I it's Nobody I never was a never did amateur thing because my school didn't have it in holy Lord but I I loved wrestling once they got going into into it. And Milwaukee you know and then when I finally got out of the army and come here and then he really helped me. I mean wally. Kara helped me build Jewish. I mean bill He told me you know. Yeah time I wanted to go to walkers year dairy and also you know I am not going to stick in my mind for the rest of my life you know and I got Wall Carpool and Burn Gandhi. And all you know all these guys do do thank you. Thank me so I gotTa thank him. All you know and And thanks a lot. You know Wayne for having me on absolutely Kenny at a and I'm just so pleased or able to join us you or around Verne for so many years and it's great to get a wrestler's perspective somebody who knew him as well as you did and as his grateful towards what he did for you as you are. So thank you for your name and and sticking with us here today okay absolutely a lot. Yes absolutely fight. The Greg Greg Guinier dynamic a little bit how just talk a little bit about that and take it where you want because Greg Vern top top star in Awa? Big Draw Greg Ganja ended up having a good solid career and I still. I talked to Steve Austin on his podcast and multiple times when when he spent on my shore. I've been on his. We talked about how Greg Gone is the prototypical guy in terms of a baby. Fae showing fire and just getting the crowd riled up like I mean there's a lot of Greg that Ernest baby-faced Promo is something. That's I won't say entirely missing from the business today. I think Sammy's and actually tap into it a little bit. But there's a lot that great did well but greg lived in the shadow of Verne and Verne. Took some heat for Promoting Greg. But he did stop short at promoted to the top. You know it's interesting it and I've always said great really. Got A bum rap. I mean he's he does to This Day. You know talking about you. Know the nepotism and everything else in the end. Greg wouldn't have been a star another promotional. I guess there's some truth to the fact that maybe he wouldn't have been on top heavy gone to another territory but to denigrate Greg's ability in the ring I think is really unfair First of all you got the size issue. It was always odds. There's no credibility there's no believability here. When you know Greg I'm tossing Bobby Duncombe Maurice Tossing around Jerry Blackwell or whatever. Well that's interesting because you got your Jeff Jarrett's and you got your kindle Wyndhams and you know you got guys like that You know the nobody really made an issue out of it As far as the size David and Goliath situation but Greg was one hell of a worker and you know you talk about the earnest baby face and that is absolutely a lost art. I agree with you I mean everything is so scripted anyway You know nobody really knows how to cut a serious baby face. I'M GONNA get my revenge kind of promo anymore. They they just don't So I think Greg really got a bomb rap. He sold his ass off for everybody. And you said foreign didn't push him right to the top you know he. He came a little bit short of that he gave him the taking titles with you know with. Brazil and of course he gave him the that international TV titled Towards the end of the AWA. Run there but ruin was smart enough not to put Greg right at the top because I think you know the wrestling fans especially as the business was changing. Would've just eaten them a life Which is too bad because Greg you look at some of the match Greg Bach Winkle You know or even Black Weller Brody or anybody like that and and Austin said well the baby fish on fire. I mean boy. I you talk about somebody believable Greg was yet so I I think in a and Greg took it seriously. I I gotTa tell you I worked. You know the time that I was there I saw Greg in the locker room. And boy I tell you what if you were in enhancement guy or somebody else that were taking it seriously. He was all over you and you know he defended the business. He defended his dad. I think he was a great worker and give her a credit for the fact that he didn't Porch Greg to the moon. I think he game just enough. Greg got tremendous fan response. People you know in this area. Don't you know around? The country might not realize just how over guidance Brunell were. And you know it's interesting you know Greg and Jim are going to be getting the you know the tag team award next year at Cauliflower Alley I think that speaks volumes for the recognition that Greg is is finally getting Towards the end there you know from the Awa. The wheel started to come off a little bit You know in Greg was kind of the face of the promotion there towards the end again. I think the bad rap started to follow him a little bit but I got nothing but respect for the guy and I think Verne handle him very very well and I think. Greg carried himself well considering all the criticism. He was getting my final topic for you. And you're certainly welcome. Bring up anything that you any topic that cross your mind that we didn't get to where I didn't get to but Verne's most successful opponents. Knickebocker comes to mind instantly. Billy Robinson did tell list kind of in order Who you think were the top five or expand that list if you want to. Who were that? Who was that top tier of opponents whose careers were defined by wrestling vern? And they helped define Verne's career. Wow that's really an interesting question I I think. Nick certainly is right. Up there I think mad dog was Sean Mad. Dog had a reputation But but certainly when he won the strap burn in nineteen sixty four method was kind of Journeyman as far as the AWA was concerned. Then all of a sudden you know he gets the title and the rest of history so I think he clearly benefited by you. Know getting the rubbed Robertson Billy again you know had a worldwide reputation but again getting in the ring and it was always burn. When you're going to defend the title against Billy Robinson and you know. This was in an era when Verne would get himself disqualified. You would go into. The ring is kind of the subtle. He'll a little bit against guys. Like Billy Robinson Bill Watts and Eduardo Carpaccio. And guys like that So I think Robinson definitely benefited from I think some of the other guys were probably established already. But you know the bill watts I think is another one that comes to mind. Crusher was already established. But you know I think you know just getting into the ring with a guy like vern You know certainly put your over his top five opponents per se Feuds over the years absolutely boxing Richon probably crusher for a time when crusher was a he`ll. Dick Beyer Dr Acts Very very worthy opponent. You know and tremendous feuds and then you go back to the nineteen fifties and Vernon Liu says at a series of matches all over the Horn so He was the real deal and What else can you say? I know on a personal level as this news broke. I followed you on facebook and this hit you hard. I mean it was. It's not I wouldn't say it was unexpected in the sense that he's eighty nine years. Old suffering from Alzheimer's doesn't make a lot of public appearances. And did I say he's eighty nine years old? I mean just statistically speaking. It's not the same thing as of as of thirty four year old getting hit by a bus that said it's the absolute period at the end of such a huge public figure in your life as a fan as you ease your way into the businesses or in a different role in the businesses the Knick fan club president and putting out the the excellent buckle brigade newsletter and then working for Vernon Awa. I mean just on a personal level. Not that hasn't come through but there is something about the news that he is gone. That clearly hit you hard. It did and What's really interesting and I and I mentioned this to somebody the other day to wait. You know in in life we've got there's constance that we hang onto you know especially as you get older and you know even if you don't see that constant or feel it every day it's still out there and for me you know from the time. I'm nine years old as a wrestling fan. And then getting involved in the business. The one constant has been burned gone. Yep Turns always been there whether it's you know talking about my. Espn days or joking. With the guys abroad burn Ganja and all of a sudden what it is. It's it's the old mortality thing. It's the finality of it and for me. You know I mean I look at you know. Over the past few years Billy Robinson mad dog Rashaan the crusher. I mean these guys that were mainstays in the Awa Red Bastien Ray Stevens. They're gone race. Even they're they're gone and from that era. And you know you go to Cauliflower Alley Club and you see the boxer and goes in the Harley racist of the world you know. They're they're struggling physically and mentally. And it's so it's the end of an era and for me personally. You said that it hit me hard. And it really wasn't unexpected. Because I would always talk to house vern doing well. You know he's mentally. He's not doing very well but physically. He could go another ten years. I mean that was always the you know what people were saying that there were there were close to him So when I got the news it wasn't totally unexpected. But what's happening with me? Is that every day. It's getting harder and harder and you know the reality is really setting in and you know it's it's a part of that childhood being plucked away from you know it it's that There's another piece stornoway and another guy has gone. He belongs to the ages now. So yeah it. It's hitting me a lot harder than I thought it would. And not because so much that I work with earn Ganja but because Verne Ganja was he was ninety ninety percent of my life as been somehow or another version. 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But did you hear anything about what he did during his healthier years mentally and physically after the Awa went under you know I really didn't hear a lot and and what I did hear wasn't necessarily great. I mean only you know you mentioned the financial problems I know there was a bankruptcy situation and You know so. He kind of went under there and then as early as you know maybe ten twelve years ago he was already starting to show early signs of dementia. So I'm not so sure that you know. The verdict ever really got to enjoy the fruits of his labors. All those years i. I'm sure there was a time but I you know over the past twenty twenty five years. I don't know you know again I wasn't there. You hear the negative stuff you know so I obviously I don't know on a personal note how things were going with this family et Cetera. You hear the bad stuff year the bankruptcies you hear the you know the dementia setting in you hear about all those kinds of things. So from an outsider's perspective. I I don't know I don't ever he I don't know that he got what he let's put it this way. I don't think he he got what he learned. I think he run was entitled to a better better last couple of decades. I I will say if there's a lesson in there for for the waiver and lived as took. The summers off played tennis He he could have worked harder in earned more and he didn't and it part of that comes from being the boss and having that luxury but I will say at least. We don't look back at vern going. He worked every single day of his life. Tirelessly never did anything. Because he was thinking in my sixties that's or my seventy sixty seventies golden years and that's when I'll really the pay off mic. I think it's fair to save. Vern lived a really good life even with the stress and the disappointment of the turn that the business took in the eighties. He enjoyed life in the fifties sixties and seventies to a great degree to the point where some people like were critical of either. How infrequently was choosing to wrestle or the time he took off in the summers one of the reasons. Nick Bachman goes stuck around even though he could earn more money in the NWEA was a quality of life issue. Working for the AWA. I think Verne Kinda was onto something with that and instead of being critical of that I kind of think so people should think. Maybe he's got the right idea. A lot of people in different parts of the world certainly take more leisure time out and burn did and I think that's something that's a solid for people who feel bad that he didn't things took a turn for the worse in the sixty seventies and eighties. He he sure seemed to make sure. He got the most out of life in his twenties thirties. Forties and fifties. Oh he absolutely did and that. That's a great point. And you know you had mentioned the you know the last twenty twenty five years again. That's that's Kinda what things going to tailspin a little bit but my God back in the day. Yeah and again. I think a lot of that has to do with the celebrity and burn enjoyed every minute of air. I mean you know on on on a social circle. I mean this guy is everything I mean. He was as big. We've about this earlier as any athlete. You know in the state of Minnesota history probably and it's not hyperbole to say he was hobnobbing with the politicians and the you know the the high rollers and whoever it is so yeah burn had a hell of a Rut. He had a great life You know certainly. He lived the life of luxury He lived the life of a very very very successful Businessman and entrepreneur for a good portion of his life. And you know so. Yeah certainly I mean the early part of his retirement or his is waning years. I guess We're far better than the and and yeah I mean he was a lucky guy and you know it. It's just sad the way it turned out to your point. Oh yeah he he had some fun no doubt about it make. I say it every time it's such a pleasure having you on. I figure we could go six hours and not run out of things to talk about. You are tremendous in this format and I really appreciate you giving us more than ninety minutes of your time here and helping facilitate J. being part of the show one of ferns true contemporaries who is still around and added a dimension to the show. So thank you for all of that. I really appreciated weight and again You know thanks for having me on the end Kenny. Jay can't say enough. Good things about Kenny. My God you know. He's he's almost eighty years old and can't J. Always GonNa be Kenny. Jay and One more Go ahead I said yes. I was just nodding and an an and also again condolences to To Greg in in the guy and your daughters and everybody else and Burns GonNa be missed and Thanks for the Opportunity Idiots. Nice to be able to talk about them. Excellent thanks to our listeners for joining US certainly a little bit off the beaten path a little bit from our usual format. But we've certainly gone to Awa history and wrestling history at times with various various guests with Jerry Jarrett on talking about Memphis wrestling promoting wars in the eighties and and Randy Hales from Memphis and bill. Dundee one of our guests. When we went to the interview Friday format I enjoyed talking wrestling history. It is I feel like I know so. Little compared to just percentage wise of what there is to know about this business and being part of it in the way that I happen for so long as always fascinating to to connect some extra dots at an extra anecdote and learn a little something. Extra I do from you mic. I did from Kenny Jay. And it is yeah. It's amazing how much how much better I think I understand today than ten and twenty years ago and how much of that just came in the last few days too so anyway. I appreciate the opportunity. Yes very thank you make things to our listeners. I will sign off on that note. I did mention if somebody wants. Vip and dig into our twenty seven years of archives including previous round table. Discussions including McCarthy's appearances on the program focused radio show in the early nineteen nineties. Those were some really special shows. Make if you're still there remember that while the Carbo tribute show that we did I would point people to that wall Iverson's business partner. What a character. He was People want to this era of wrestling fascinates people in the more you learn more. You want to know the Wally Carbo tribute show on pressing. Focus is part of the people that you torch. Vip Website Archives. Just go down to the Retro Radio Shows Option on the right side bar on our members homepage and scroll down to that. We had Roger Kent Elder Russia. Jim Brown Zell George Shire and of course biggest name of all. Nick Balk Winkle as part of that discussion. It was just really fun stories and just various times that nick was in studio. I think a couple times and on the show others it was always Real Special Bach winkle on the pricing focus show too and anytime you and George and the gang got together to talk old Awa. The PHONE LINES LIT UP. So that stuff is out there and we had. Ken resnick on the show. Just a few months back earlier this year. Talking about his. Stay IN THE AWA. And he can fill in some of the some stories about that era that he was part of with the road warriors. Post Hogan Post Vern Gone. Yeah as a headline wrestler but still working for the AWA during that time. So there's a lot of resources out there. And then Bruce Mitchell and I did a real time commentary on the wrestler movie from Nineteen Seventy Four. That is in the Bruce Audio archives. We have a best Bruce Mitchell audio show option that you can choose on the menu for that different audio shows on our main page scroll down and stream or download that show we literally sat down sync up our TV's and watched the movie and just commented on things you might not notice what the the success of the movie. The acting. The different roles billy Robinson's history earns. History it's a really fun show so again for people who made it as far in this discussion about that's just a sampling of things that you can pull out an audio format to add to it. This Person Torch newsletter has a cover story that just touches a surface what Verne men but hits a lot of the high points and also my Endo territorial with excerpts that first torch talk where vern opened my eyes to how news making interview format could be and I pulled out some quotes from that in end notes this week regarding Hogan and Bruiser Brody and Vincent Man that are pretty interesting in poignant so anyway the place go for VIP S. P. W. Torch Dot com slash Kgo. Vip THAT'S P W dot com slash KGO VIP when you sign up. It's ten bucks a month. Twenty seven fifty for three months for ninety nine dollars for a year in it unlocks the deepest richest library of insider wrestling coverage in real time format. We covered it as it happened. And you can get twenty seven years of archives over well over thousand issues with I torch newsletter hundreds and hundreds of hours of audio contemporary and retro. It is an amazing sight to explore. I'm very proud of what we built. And if you've enjoyed this discussion you will find. I think endless fascination in going VIP and digging into those archives again thanks to McCarthy. Thanks to Kenny. Jay thanks to the listeners and also as I said in this torture newsletter thanks to earn Ganja the Awa his Lee his title reign in retirement. Madge drew me to the building. I was already in love with wrestling. But that just accelerated it being in that facility and getting a chance to get a taste of that era at the tail end before the transition to rockin wrestling Hulk Hogan Wrestlemainia the nationalization of wrestling to be able to get a glimpse and a taste very immersive and memorable and special taste of that era reflective of the sixties and seventies was was a really neat opportunity for me and heck thanks for Verne for. Maybe he was duped into notice. Get into but for doing that interview with me. He didn't have to do that in that first. Torch talk with me and that helped put pro wrestling torch in the torch. 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WKPWP - Keller interviews historian George Schire; (5-7-15) Eye-witness details on emotional Verne Gagne funeral, amends made, more

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WKPWP - Keller interviews historian George Schire; (5-7-15) Eye-witness details on emotional Verne Gagne funeral, amends made, more

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The Awa the American Wrestling Association which was the one of the top three brands of the pro wrestling territory. Days along with the NWEA and w. w. w. f. and I was joined last week by Awa announcer mic Karsh and Awa wrestler Kenny. Sod Buster J who also did yard work for Ghana thus the name sod buster and this week on interview classic. We bring you my interview with George Shire Wrestling Author and historian mild co host on the pro wrestling focus. Radio shows back on Back in the early nineties on. Kfi and he attended the Burn Ganja funeral and he gave eyewitness details on the emotional funeral including details on Gene Oakland. Ganja giving speeches amends being made and much more plus he just gave his perspective on Verne. Ganja with some great memories and stories so enjoy. This partout are look back at the highly influential hugely successful and controversial. Vern gone if you don't know the history professional wrestling vern Ganja someone you need to know about and so Last week showing this week show or really good primers and if you are a longtime fan you familiar with vern. I think you're gonNA thoroughly enjoy. The stories will add some color and detail to his career both on camera and behind the scenes. Welcome to the W. Torch live cast. I Wade Keller editor and publisher of the Pro Wrestling Torch weekly newsletter since nineteen eighty seven and also P W torch dot com a pro wrestling website updated with news commentary live TV and paper result specialist columns history editorials and so much more book market. Check it out every day customized for your desktop your laptop your smartphone and your tablet. That's PC TORCH DOT com. I'm also host of this. Dpw towards live cast on Tuesdays and Thursdays this show is available live and on demand at P W torch live cast dot com. We are on five days a week through Friday and also Sundays after major pay per views. Join US Monday at eleven thirty Eastern about twenty minutes after rock includes for a live call in post show with People Your Torch Dot Com assistant editor James Caldwell and often joined by Greg Parks at the top of the show for some instant. Ron nalysts on Fridays. The old Monday Kruger's Mitchell and Travis Bryant from East Coast Cast Dot Com are now hosting on Friday starting at seven eastern so in the of the week Tuesday Wednesday and Thursday run at five THIRTY EASTERN TO THIRTY PACIFIC. Time live on Mondays right after Robert. Twenty minutes after raw and on Fridays at seven eastern. That's our new lineup. As of just over a month ago and we've had some really good feedback to it so far so Things everybody for that. I have switched interview Friday to interview Thursday and I am pleased to introduce my guest a returning guest here at cw towards live task for interview. Thursday and that is wrestling author and historian. George George. Welcome back to the program. Hey wait it's always good to be on with you. How you doing my friend. I'm doing very well You YOU and I go back I'll even further than what I'm about to say. But you were the CO host of my progress and focus radio show on. Kfi Am for a long time in the early nineties. And you have since. Come out with a A wrestling book titled Minnesota's Golden Wrestling From Virgin Ganja to the road warriors and people can find that book at bookstores and online Online booksellers George the first wrestling name. You mentioned who's going to be the major focus of today's program and that is Burn Ganja and we welcome phone calls from people interested in talking about Awa. History in particular version gone yet. But we can broaden that out. George Shire is an encyclopedia of knowledge. I'm not sure if people don't what encyclopedias are anymore George Wicked he's a Wikipedia of knowledge and then some And we don't WANNA be. I don't WanNa be a wikipedia because that's not always a correct source so that's I like encyclopedia. I like encyclopedia. We'll stick with that quote antiquated term. I said something about newspapers on facebook the other day. And somebody jokingly said what's the newspaper so It is crazy but George I know it's been a emotional week for people who have followed Wrestling pro wrestling in Not only the Minneapolis. Saint Paul area. We're in Ganja was from and are the Powerful territory the AWA was headquartered but also People who just newburgh ninety from all the different territories and all the different he wrestled including heck headlining Madison Square Garden and I saw that you quoted in the New York Times about during Ganja when they wrote their obituary on Verne and also you were interviewed on WSB radio which I listened to live and am institution in this market What kind of What kind of sense did you get of the media reaction over the last week and a half to do you think that the scope of his impact on this community and really the wrestling industry has has been honored by an in acknowledged in the ways that you think it would have after he died? Well you know Wade you mentioned like The New York Times and you mentioned You know the radio shows and things like that and I I guess what I noticed is as I went online and looked at the various newspapers around the country that were covering stories on Ganja and I mean we're talking the Boston Globe and the La Times and as we said the New York Times Chicago. I mean it just seemed that The passing of Verne Ganja really had an impact and for me. Personally I guess when I looked back no I would never say that Verne. Ganja was one of my personal favorite wrestlers through the decades but I respect that the man and I always always enjoyed every match. She was in and when I realized in heard that he had finally passed away. I had that feeling that. Oh my gosh this is the man. This is the one wrestler that has been around my entire life. Since the day I I became cognizant of pro wrestling which wage you know goes for me back to about the mid fifties when I was six seven years old and so it was. It was just a realization that like a piece of me and I think that's where it came from from a lot of people around the country that had been around forever. Like I am that this was the one man you know this was before the crushers and mad dogs and everybody and Burn Ganja had passed away and you know we should point out to folks that furnace has had a tough eight or ten years. He has been sick. He has Had been dealing with the dementia and Alzheimer's I have talked with Greg Ganja. Probably once a month for the past seven years and we kept in contact and always it was interesting about. You know how Verne was doing and the struggles I tell you what the struggles that the family had and it was very apparent and I think we can talk about this as we go on our show today but I attended both of the visitation for Vernon this past Monday night and then I also attended the memorial service and funeral at the church on Tuesday. And I tell you this and anybody that was there knows I'm telling hundred percent truth here. There was not a dry in that church during the service. Yeah everyone every wrestler. That was there every fan. That was there every friend of the family that was there. They were wiping away. Tears at various times during the Emotional videos that were being played during the service during the The family sharing personal things about them as a family and vern a wrestler. And then both Greg Ganja who delivered a Eulogy. Greg broke up several times and then the eulogy at the end. I mean Jean Oakland and they brought. They brought the church to tears. I mean I sat behind Tell you sat behind. Jim Brownsville His wife Mary I sat with them. Were Paul ellery. Steve Olson now ski? They were wiping away. Tears literally wiping away tears and as as was everyone it was it was extremely and as I walked out of there after the service we had a great dinner of course luncheon like they always do at funerals but we had a great luncheon and as I was walking out. I said to my wife. I said you know then to a lot of funerals in my life family friends. I mean we all attempt to animals and all of us have our reasons for being sad and memories that we share of our own when we go to these such things. But I said I've never been to a funeral that for me just as a person because wrestling Wade as you know has been my whole life. It is who I am I am. I am bonafide wrestling every single day of my life and it was just I I. The words escaped me as to the emptiness that I felt that. Burn Ganja the man who gave us everything that we had in the fifties the sixties the seventies and into the eighties and yes. It didn't end well for the AWA and wrestling changed. We all know that but burn. Ganja he was the name he was the name audible is offering listeners of this podcast. A free edition of Jim. Ross under the black hat or for that matter any book title of Your Choosing in their vast collection of thousands and thousands of if you go to audible dot com slash wade or text. Wade do five hundred dash five hundred. That's right Jim is under. The black cat came out just a couple of weeks ago available to you right now for free in his new book. He goes into detail that I haven't heard before there's one point pretty early in the book where he says I'd call the damned flair versus steamboat trilogy. And now I was trying to get punch holes to line up in the stupid paper on my stupid desk. I wanted to be on the Front Lines. Not Behind a desk. Go check out the new Jim. 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Up from nineteen percent in two thousand eleven lack of time being the main reason. So why not listen to your books and then you can tell your friends. How many books you read this year. One of the non wrestling titles. I'm listening to right now as catch and kill by Ronan Farrow about the Harvey Weinstein situation and It it's a fascinating look behind the scenes at Power and corruption and denial Within a news organization and the frustration that he had within NBC News. Trying to get this story out. It's it's a well told story it's fascinating and kind of chilling also. I'm listening to an Alfred. Hitchcock biography of watching some old Alfred Hitchcock movies in recent weeks as I've had more time at home in less time away from home and I wanted to learn more about him and the movie he made. Whatever interests you this month Audibles got a book that will let you do a deep dive into it or just be entertained. An escape so again go to audible dot com slash wade or text weighed to five hundred dash. Five hundred every month members. Get One credit to pick any title plus to audible originals from a monthly selection and access to Daily News Digests From The Times Wall Street Journal and the Washington Post as well as guided meditation programs. And that's important for a lot of people right now. We're living in a time right now where there's a lot of unknowns and a lot of routines that have been broken and it can shake us up a little bit. Some guided. Meditation. Might help. This might be the time to check that out in audible his way to do that. So go to audible dot com slash wade or text. Way To five hundred dash five hundred George. We normally have the opposite Challenge with guests. You have such a great radio voice and are so great. A projecting yourself for getting a little over modulation. I usually tell people talk more into the Mike. Maybe for you. I'm not sure what kind of phone you're on talk a little less the Mike Mike. Clear up a little bit of the over modulation static. We're getting we're just dealing with a brand new hifi switchboard this week and I want people to hear what you're saying really well and I that that is just bill to bring us into The emotions of that moment and to share that with us is really special. And and I really do appreciate you doing that. we set the scene a little bit. George for the visitation and the funeral in terms of The the scope of it. How many people were there? Did it seem like a a big public event? More of a private Kinda give people listening to this idea. 'cause I mean Ganja for decades and I'm not exaggerating George we're not we are not Embellishing for the sake of of trying to build this up. Vern was a celebrity institution who was pretty much unmatched in this city. Or I should say unmatched 'cause Harmon killebrew. Bud Grant there's other people in you. You live through it. I was a kid. You can speak to it better than I can. But from the in the sixties and seventies especially vern there was nobody bigger in this town member. Well you know way. That was something that I had pointed out to some of the media folks that I spoke with last week. You you mentioned that you had caught on guessing. That was the John Williams show and I was on with Roisi and Sushi Cherie and John Heinz and and You know the deal was vern. Ganja was you know and you mentioned Harmon killebrew. If you went back to the sixties and the seventies here in the twin cities area the Minnesota area fern Ganja was as big a celebrity as Harmon killebrew as Fran Tarkenton as bud grant and when you when you looked at the media back in that day earn Ganja was all of the the major functions that these other Sports celebrities and stars were at and so he was very recognizable. And you know the thing. That's really interesting. Raid is that you can talk to non wrestling fans and they've heard of Verne. Ganja they know who've earn gone you're was they may not have watched wrestling. They may not have cared for wrestling but they knew who earn. Kanye was when I walked into the church. The Church Service on the visitation was held at the Pax Christi Community Church in Eden Prairie Catholic Church and when I walked in there on Monday night the family had put together a nice Ray Of photos and framed pictures of Verne's career. There were several Videos going wrestling and interviews and different things that Verne was talking. Burn himself talking and it was just a feeling of run guy was in that building and people of all ages were immediately reliving a lot of their lives. I I looked at. I looked at the age groups Fans are friends and all of them were telling their own story of how they knew. Burn whether it'd be as a personal friend fishing partner a business partner. They all had their stories. They remembered their favorite match. They all remembered when he wrestled this guy or that guy and they all called the sleeper hold and there was rumblings of jurists the vitamin supplement that Verne Sold in the Or you know in the sixties and people want to his diner power and you know it was. It was almost as you walk through the church. area you just kept hearing all these little different things and you know me as a as a follower of wrestling for the last six decades whatever it is. I found myself just being a mask in all my gosh you know. And of course I've got a zillion in one stories about Vernon and the the thrills that he brought. You know me as a fan and it was interesting. Know when you look at your staff all of the people there and you asked me about whether or not it was fans or friendlier. Our family there were there were obviously just dozens and dozens and dozens of friends of the family. And they're going to pay on yes. I didn't I didn't notice as many what I would call the You know the average fan that maybe just attended some wrestling carts here and there. It appeared by what I heard. And what I've seen of those that were there and that you know as we go on we can talk about some of the people that I I knew. Were there recognized but they were all The way it was set up to they had I guess you'd call it a receiving line for lack of a better terminology. Greg God bless him. He stood down by the Church Altar and with with you at various points around the altar where his family his sisters Donna Kathy and Greg's Sons were there and his daughter his wife and as the friends and family were walking through and passing through next to Greg was the the The Awa world title belt and vern or I'm sorry greg he literally spent. I was there for three hours on Monday night. And Greg stood down there the entire three hours and talked and hugged and shared stories about Verne. His Dad and it was very emotional. Because Greg was literally the whole night just on. Monday night Wiping away tears as where his his sisters and you know it was. It was a funeral. That was a service like like. I said I've I've never been to one like this It was just. You felt your thought. Such you felt such a eerie feeling. Bit this was a big piece of I for lack of a better word your whole life. Everybody's whole life and I you know like when you go to a normal funeral if you attend a funeral of a friend or a coworker or maybe a cousin or an uncle or or GRANDPA. Yeah we all have our moments that we remember and they meant something to us but we're not connected to the other people a lot of times that are at these events at these services but at the gone. Yeah Service. Every single person there was formally and there were so many things that caught your eye. You know I wanNA share this one right up front. 'cause I don't WanNa Forget. This need an extra dose of positivity in your wrestling. 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He is the author of Minnesota's Golden Age of wrestling from Burn Ganja so the road warriors and we are talking to George my former co host for the pro focus radio show back in early ninety. S on Kfi. We're talking to George about vern. Ganja he attended The Verne Ganja funeral this week and he is sharing some of those personal details with us. George sorry about having you call back. I appreciate you giving that a shot. Sometimes phone connections can be inconsistent so. Welcome back. And thanks for doing that. Hey No problem and if it still is not as good as we'd like it I guess we just have to deal with the technology as it is exactly yeah It's always good giving it a shot but yeah please. You had a story. You didn't WanNa Forget. I don't want you to forget it either. Well you know. I looked around the church. And you know obviously it's impossible sometimes for every single person that would want to attend a funeral to be able to circumstances and and things that are going on but it was too very interesting Big and I mean really nice. Flower arrangements with Nice banners on them were present and one of them was the first one that I didn't want to forget to tell about. Because you know I'm GonNa tell you something myself and a lot of people. There are times when we can bash the WWE and Vince McMahon. For the way wrestling changed us. Old School. Guys you know we. We didn't like that but it is what it is today but there was a beautiful message and flower arrangement from the Mcmahon family and from Stephanie and triple H and it had a very nice message on it With condolences in sincerest sympathy. Who Greg gone yet and the entire family and a very nice message on it saying thank you for sharing your father. Thank you for all he gave to wrestling thank you for his contribution and paving the road for professional wrestling and I just I looked at that and I thought you know that is very very nice with that. I want to add what Greg Gone. You told me personally A Saturday a week ago. He said that As soon as vern had passed away The WWE had put up the announcement and they immediately. Stephanie McMahon gave a call to greg personally and advised him that if there was anything that the McMahon family could do to assist him with any photos or footage or anything that all he had to do was ask and they were there to help him. In this time and so- Greg was very relieved with that and I was very relieved with that and I thought that was a very very nice gesture. We should point out that the reason of course is that Vince does own all video rights and and everything to the Awa so it was very kind and I thought very nice that they did that and Greg seemed really happy with it and he told me more than once that Stephanie McMahon personally had had been more than generous in calling and letting them know that they were there for him if he they needed anything. That's really great to hear I mean it really is because that and you do hear good stories about Stephanie McMahon. I've there's been some stories that they did not publicize About some some going above and beyond when it comes to some charity work and some special needs fans at buildings The wwe. I give them hard time because sometimes it seems like they utilize their charity work to build or corporate brands. Something Stephanie has maybe Gone too far publicly bragging about even you know that charity builds brand brand equity but they do do things behind the scenes that they do not seek out publicity for and and just doing what you just described is It's really nice. I'm glad you share that story because They don't have to be. They don't have to go that far. They could've sent flowers nothing else. Or you know well and the other thing to Wade. The other thing too was that they did There was video footage mentioned to you earlier. There were several Big Screen TV's in the lobby The in the church itself and they had video different video going in there. Were there were those that were definitely provided by Stephanie McMahon or by you know triple h triple h did side did sign the cards and the flowers. You know his real. I could never pronounce his real last name. What's his last leveque? Yup Leveque and was signed by Paul triple h Leveque Stephanie McMahon and but they they definitely were very kind to do that and I and I also will point out that Greg mentioned to me that upon vern staff that on the WWe blog I guess he was told that the Verne Ganja passing had had gotten more hits than any other thing that the wwe had going on all last week. Wow so I think that also gives the scope to you. Know some of the power in recognition. That Verne gone. You had before I forget about the other arrangement that I wanted to to share with you. Because as I'm thinking of these things I wanNA share all the highlights. Yes there was another there was another and I wanna say really big because a lot of people will send a flower arrangement to a funeral and and that such always such a nice gesture and it's always comforting to the family of of the one that's left us but this was a very very nice big arrangement that was sent and on the card. And you and and I'm gonNA explain to you. What was on the flowers after we tell you what was on the card card to Greg? Ganja and the gun. Your family was from Terry and Jessie Ventura and on the card. It said. Thank you for all you did for me. You gave me the name of the body. You with the legend and it was signed Terry and Jessie Ventura and on the bowl pay on the huge bow K. We're talking things of flowers. This one along with the McMahon one that I just spoke of they were on huge stands that they had to take special space for an arm that Torah arrangement. There was a huge banner across the flowers that sat legend it was. It was very eye catching and very very nice. And I don't know if Jesse you may note wait. I don't know I don't know if Jesse is currently living in Minnesota. Here you know he was not at the funeral of course but He definitely paid homage to burn With that arrangement and I thought that was extremely nice. Some of pro wrestling's best podcasts are. 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And then Jesse Ventura and then Greg Ganja and then burn gone all called him and even with the problems and differences that they had with each other With bobby leaving Because you got a basically doubled his salary to go to the WWF during the expansion years and it was a real blow to the AWA that is upset as maybe Vernon Greg worth time That you know tw- you know closer to twenty years later They were kind enough and gracious enough and let bygones be bygones in that way and and called him and And and he said that even stopped by a while later and surprise bobby and they hugged and and told him wally carbs stories and had shared some good memories. I did not catch that ad so I must have cut off at that. Point weighed but you know the story that you tell of those guys that as I had mentioned that the McMahon's and Jesse Ventura had sent their condolences and sympathy. To The guy is Ganja family during this time with Verne passing. It's not unusual to hear that because you know if what a lot of fans don't realize you know because the stories go rampant to how things happened with the The raids of the territories and things of the days when McMahon was doing expansion. A lot of stuff is true. A lot of stuff isn't it's a matter of trying to set it straight. But you know Bobby Heenan did give a personal notice to Verne. Ganja and he did so in in the way that he he realized that Verne had been his his His employer for a lot of years and he went to earn personally to Vernon Greg and he. He advised them that he had received offer the offer from the WWF at the time and that he was going to accept it and yeah there were there. Were some hard feelings. I'm sure and there were some anger and things you know normal things that are involved but in the end Jim Brown Zell. Who I also I would point out. I talked to Jim. Occasionally and of course I had a chance to see him at the service the other day and Jim and Bobby Heenan have stayed in constant contact over the last twenty years and Jim has also been down visit Bobby and his wife Cindy and so you know the wrestling community the wrestling fraternity of the old school age and it was always a very close knit group. Despite certain feelings and things that would happen along the way because business always causes problems with any company and You know that was obviously the same with wrestling. But they've stayed in. Yeah if I may While we're telling stories of of some of the People that were at the funeral I WANNA point out when we talk about feelings and different things that happened in the business side of things over the years. I don't think it's any secret out. There that burn gone yet and largely. Hennig had outside the ring issues throughout their careers right We will point out as a base for some fans who don't know that it was vern. Ganja who trained Larry? Hennig for the pro ranks back in the Mid Fifties. Larry basically worked with all but all trips to other territories. Larry working career in the AWA. That said And I want to also stop here and say that Larry. Hennig is one of my dearest friends in this wrestling business. We also talk often and he is one of my favorite people he really is. He's a gentleman of guy. He's an absolutely great family man and and I just I admire him extensively however with all due respect to Larry. I've always felt that whenever Larry had the opportunity and got a microphone in front of him he would take that opportunity to throw a jab or two or three at vern. Ganja and make it seem like vern Ganja was the worst human being on the planet earth and with all due respect the Larry. I always felt that was probably in many cases not the right place to do it at different functions and that sort of thing because if they had legitimate beef behind the scenes I I always felt that was between them. But I will tell you this Larry. Hennig was at the service and Larry and I was there and heard him personally. Say this he said there comes a time when we have to let it pass and without run. Ganja. There would've been no Larry Hennig. Wow Wow and Larry. Was THERE HIS WIFE. Irene was there and they are. I WanNa say this again because if by chance They would listen to this or anyone that listens to this. I want them to know that I have nothing. But the utmost respect for Larry Hennig and he is one of my all time favorite wrestlers He was along with Harley. Race is one of my favorite tag teams of all time and Larry is as a wrestler. There was nothing that man couldn't do. He could have been a main event star in any territory in the country had he wanted to. Larry chose to stay close to home and I mentioned a minute ago. What a family man he was. I've I've been a guest at Larry's home in Saint Cloud and when you walk in his home it is evident that his twenty six grandchildren and great grandchildren and his his own kids. That he has they are all over his home in photos and memories and mementos and and Larry loves his family and we all know what a toll it took on Larry. When Kurt passed away his son. Kurt passed away A decade or so ago and we also know how proud Larry is of Johannes who is currently with the wwe wrestling as Curtis Axel. Larry is a very proud man in a very good man. But he did have an issue with Verne Ganja and he buried that and came to the service and it was very humbling. And Larry. You could see that You know get it meant something to him so I wanted to share that too because we hear things about people from time to time and and You know Larry and as I said two I want to point out that Larry with all the talent and his great Mike Skills and everything is a wrestler. I don't think there's any doubt that if Larry had wanted to move around the country and be a big star another territory. Back in the sixties or the seventies. He could have and because chose to stay here. That's why it bothers me or it. Bothered me over the years when he would take a shot at vern every shot every time he had an opportunity. He took Verne's money burn. Put Him on top vern. Never buried Larry Hennig in the cards Larry was his main event or so they both took you know they both took from each other and benefited and for me that you know having worked in the business world myself weighed you know. Employees have a choice. You don't like your boss or you don't like your company or you don't like the principles of the company. You always have the right to move on. And if you don't do that don't be little. Don't tear them down. Don't beat him up because you've chosen to stay there and that's what I want to say about that. But Larry was a big man and he is a great man and I love the man and It was nice to see him there. Have you subscribed to the torch daily cast yet? It's a free daily podcast with shows throughout the week dedicated to ring of honor. All elite wrestling impact wrestling major league wrestling and x t and M may talk for pro wrestling fans. That's Monday through Friday and on Saturdays. Check out the deep dive with Rich Fan where he examines a single topic in-depth and then Sunday nights. It's wrestling night in America with Greg Parks. You can listen. Live or download the show later at torch daily CAST DOT COM. Just click on the live stream link. 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It's not all major names. Who dealt with and to some degree or another able to do that and he wasn't what. What was the wrist in general or specifically if you know well? I've heard many versions Wade through the years that I've heard Larry. Talk about it and I heard Greg Ganja talk about it and I guess at this point I'm just GonNa say that they had. They had some I. I don't WANNA use the word bad blood between them but they had some feelings and it seemed to linger on and you know for the ten years eight or ten years. I mean with all due respect to Verne. Ganja he has not been in a position to voice any opinion or anything because Verne has as we said earlier had suffered from Alzheimer's. And you know when I when I heard from Greg all these different times and Greg tell me how they're dealing with Verne and and how difficult it is. When he doesn't know who he is. He doesn't remember anything he doesn't remember photos. He doesn't remember the family. He doesn't remember when he ate. I mean Alzheimer's. Oh my God wade if there is a bad disease and something that could take a toll on anybody who loves someone A family and everything I mean that has to be it and Greg you know and then so I don't I don't really want to go into all of it. Because a lot of them are stories. A lot of them are are things that he said she said and I just don't. I'm not going to do that in the end I saw greg. Let me point this out. Greg has no issue with Larry Hanoch. Yeah Greg does not and Larry and Greg they hugged. They talked Not only the funeral here. But I've seen them at some other functions in fact I just saw grabbed Ganja and Larry Hennig at the Kenny. J annual benefit for his psychosis this past April fourth. And and and Larry. We're talking in fact they were sitting next to each other at the The Gimmick table signing photos and that sort of thing and They were there fine so keep whatever it was less. I think it's best we leave at. Larry made his amends and A lot of it maybe was just Larry carrying on because he had some feelings that he felt were never never settled. But I think I think Larry settled them for himself the other day George little three years ago and made a public appearance. I think it was. I think it was his last public appearance at the airing of the wrestler movie. Yes was was that. Was that the last time. He made any kind of public appearances celebrity. To the best of my knowledge. It was and I was there that afternoon when when Beth Ganja Verne's daughter Beth and her husband will they were the caretakers for Verne for the past While about seven years And they had brought vern to that event and he was introduced. And you know we you had to know Verne Ganja if you introduced him and you got him in front of a crowd. He had that charismatic smile and that twinkle in his eye and he raised his hands and he acknowledged crowd but he did not know a lot of people. That were there that evening or that afternoon at that wrestler airing Three years ago and one of the people that he talked with what's Dick John Kaczynski and he did not know who Dick John Kaczynski was and there were others that came up to burn and he asked him you know. And who are you and they would tell them. And you know Vernon number friends at business. Together and burn did know but they. It was a brief appearance. They pretty much sheltered him to take care of him and not to get fans in his face or anything like that and you know that was. I think that was his last appearance. We're about to go to another commercial break. Why are you listening to commercial breaks? Why deal with these interruptions when you can become a VIP member support the weight? Keller pro wrestling podcast. Wait Tiller progressing. Post shows the piddly torch daily casts in the entire team and everything that we do and get a ton of return for your membership by becoming a VIP member go to Pw Torch V. 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And the and what Verne Ganja meant mental wrestling and to people and to family and what is affect was on the business. I came across one and I'm not even going to give them the liberty of saying which site it was but there was one site that took it upon themselves to bring up and just be labor. The fact that Verne Ganja was involved in that Horrific here seven years ago at the nursing home where Gentleman actually died. A fellow. Inmate are made that the nursing home had passed away after a skirmish with Verne and they took it upon themselves to leave that as the lasting memory and I thought it was the most sickening thing I've ever seen and that was the only References I'd seen made to it in the various newspaper articles and news stories that I listened to and watched and I thought it was very distasteful. And that's another thing Weighed that when you talk about vern. Ghana's legacy there have been many many many stories that have circulated around to what happened at that nursing home and what really happened and what is said to have happened. And what is exaggerated to set to be? Set has happened are all different and it's really sad that someone would be distasteful last week and bring that up. It was something that got talked about because it was the last big news story that Verne was involved in and unfortunately You know I think as as Greg Ganja was quoted as saying it ended up You know the store ended up being grossly exaggerated in terms of earns role in that incident. George and I think you know to to to think that that should be something that is talked about as one of the last things that people remember about vern wind. The idea that one you know actually had any malice or any awareness of what was happening and to have that story even mentioned at this point you know. I don't know I think Greg said it. Well when he was kind of dismissive about it and just said to say his role in that was grossly excessive to say. His role was exaggerated in that Would be a fair statement. There was grossly exaggerated and I would point out too that the the very day after that event happened. Greg Ganja came to my home and we were talking over some things and Greg brought out the whole thing of the day before and what had happened and Greg gave me his version and that never changed. That version never changed. And the family of the gentleman that died sadly They never had any malice towards vern. Ganja or the situation and Greg. His main thing was that at the time the event took place. There were some news stations. That took it upon themselves to make it a big story because of the celebrity status of Verne at the time. Or you know in the past and Verne never aware that he had even shelved this man he was and so that is that is gone. It's over but the bottom line was One site last week took it upon themselves to make that the story and even went so far is to say and again. I'm not going to repeat who this was. Because they don't deserve it but it was so sad that one of the lines in their their story was that to call Vern Gonyea. A celebrity put them in status after that horrific incident. It was uncalled for. You know and I. I just looked at it and I went. Oh my God. This might be the worst thing I've ever read in my life and I I was angry at the point but then I thought I waste. Why Waste Your anger on the stupidity of some people who just don't have any couth at all and that's really what it comes down to. Every Sunday night catch wrestling night in America on. Pw Torch Daily Cass Dot Com hosted by me PWG columnist Greg Parks each week. I'll welcome a CO host from the torch family to discuss the big shows and pro wrestling taking your calls and e mails. You can listen. Live most weeks beginning at eight. 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I thought I recognized but I wasn't sure and again I will tell you. One notable celebrity that I did recognize immediately was bud grant. That's what I was hoping to hear. Rod was there and But there were several that I thought you know. Wow could that. Could that have been somebody or you know and and lot there were a lot of older folks there. Obviously you know when you speak of the age bracket and We saw a few A few canes and a few walkers and things like that so obviously there were you know longtime friends saverne and and But it was a it was when I mentioned earlier to you about the the displays and things that they had out there. They had a nice board of of pictures of Verne with various celebrities throughout his career. And you know it's interesting to note when you see a picture of Verne with Hubert Humphrey when you see a picture and these were eight by ten photos that they had On place there. There was a picture of Verne with Former president Gerald Ford. There was there. Were pictures there with Verne and The senators Durenberger and and Boss switch and there were pillaged front row at Awa exactly and there were pictures of Verne with Former boxing champion Jack Dempsey and you know different people in the media Throughout the years that burn the bandwidth and Verne was there with them. And and it you know Verne just out of SCOPE. The lady went the Lady. From The New York Times when she called and talked to me last week. She wanted to know she because she had also spoken to Greg Ganja and she wanted to know You know what the real impact was burned. And I told her I said you know Verne was the kind of guy that he H- i Remember. Vernon A kid. I remember vern the wrestler in the sixties and the seventies and he had a certain amount of we. We always use that word charisma but he had charisma that. Was you know you can speak of how Hulk Hogan took over the world with his his persona his charismatic way but in that maybe less character type wrestling world that preceded what we have evolved to today for Ganja have that charisma and when he could walk into a room and he would nobody would he would know no one in the room but within minutes he was surrounded by people and I wanNA share a story with you that Gregogna shared. Greg said that when he was growing up as a kid he said after he had well he said they had made a trip to Washington. Dc and Verne was there with Socializing with Kelvin Griffith and these people with the Washington senators at the time. So this is back. Pre nineteen sixty one and Greg said that then when the senators moved to Minnesota in sixty one. Greg said my heroes. Now this is greg talking. He said my heroes. When I was growing up I loved. Many of the players on the New York. Yankees Mickey Mantle was my favorite hero. He was my idol and he said the Yankees came to play the Minnesota twins in nineteen sixty one and said. My Dad took me into the locker room area where the Yankees were and he said I just about lost it when I saw all the Yankees coming up to Verne and asking for their picture with him and asking for photographs or to get a photograph and asking him to sign their their baller their Jersey or something and Greg said Mickey Mantle was one of them. That did this and what's up to Verne. Wanted to picture with him and talked with him. And Greg said it was then that it dawned on me. Oh my God. My Dad is an idol. My Dad big and Greg pointed that out and he said and Greg was crying when he told the story. I shouldn't say crying but you know wiping away the tears and you could hear the choke the in the voice and it was very heartwarming. And Greg told so many stories about how the family would take trips and they'd go to different towns in different cities and wherever they were people immediately recognized Verne. Ganja and Greg said that was extremely Humbling as a child growing up in a young boy searching for more great pro wrestling. Talk the join me Jason Powell hosting three weekly pro wrestling boone. Podcast each week. The latest news and analysis for me and my team at pro wrestling dot net along with other pro wrestling media members plus the pro wrestling boom podcast features long-form interviews with notable names in the wrestling industry subscribing to stitcher downcast and all your favorite secondary apps or visit us directly at pw boom dot com once again that's W. dot com. And you know one of the things I WANNA. Share is an offsite to this wade knowing greg as I have over the years a lot of people you don't in the wrestling business and fans etcetera have taken shots at Greg. As being the only reason greg was in the business because his dad owned the company. Greg wasn't very good and Greg was this and you know those type of things. Which again are our foolish. But Greg was an extremely proud son. He he really loved his dad. I mean it was evident in every conversation I ever had with him and when you saw him at the funeral he lost his best friend and he struggled over the last seven years with all of the things that Verne has endured. And Greg said to me one time we were having lunch and he said it is so hard for me to see my dad in this in this state and he said sometimes he doesn't even know me and he says then he calls me will and I said to Greg. Well who was will who is will. He says will was one of his uncle's and he said he doesn't know who I am. And he doesn't remember said that's tough for me. And he said I. Greg actually called me one time and we talked about it and then and he said you know. He didn't know how long his dad had any said. He doesn't know how he's going to feel when he passes away and he actually said to me he says George. What am I going to say at the service when my dad passes away and I told him I said what Wild Greg. That's a powerful question because your dad is regardless of who your dad. Is You know in most normal families. Your Dad your mom they are. They are your heroes. They are your they are the very people that have made you who you are and I said you know Greg I guess what you do. Is that the time you you go up and you you say what you're going to say from your heart and I said everybody will know they will understand in Greg. What he did go up to do his part of the eulogy on Tuesday. He got up there and he start. He had a funny line that he because he had followed. And I'll go into this and the minute. He had followed me Gene Oakland. And he he made a comic. Because I'm GonNa tell you what Jean did. So you'll understand Greg's comment when I tell you the gene story but Greg's comment was I don't know how I can follow that. And you got kind of a chuckle. And then he started to tell a little bit about Vernon within seconds. He was wiping his face and he. China hit the side of the podium and he said I didn't want to do this. I didn't I thought I could get through this. You know and that's really emotional. Because here's a man I look at this to you. Got A guy like Greg Ganja. Who's been in front of a microphone all his life he. He's he knows how to to talk to an audience. He knows how to talk to a crowd. He's been in you know he's held meetings. He's been in front of the camera for wrestling and here was a man who was. This wasn't the time when he could keep it together. And so he he. He went through his eulogy and at the end of his eulogy. At of Greg's point the last thing that he said was and I even get teared up here just not when I think about it. The last thing that he said was thank you dad so long champ. Wow you know and and Greg you know it was tough for him so remind me. I want to tell you the gene. Oakland part because that was very good to go ahead. You're okay. Yeah well so after the the normal church service which I wanna say for you know. The the Catholic Church services can be They can be trying sometimes Okay so we'll just leave it at that and I was raised Catholic so they say that they can be long. They can be you know. Let can we get to the end here? I mean let's face it okay but this was a very very beautiful touching service the the priests that Bought two priests over road the service in fact as a tribute to burn the original pastor. Who had started the Ben with the Church at the very beginning? And who was a friend of the Ganja family came basically? He's like he's retired. He came out of his retirement. And came to this and delivered A Nice Homily in an attributive earn himself. So I mean I think that says something but anyway When we got to the I I WANNA point out one thing the Greg set okay. Back up Greg made the comment as he was talking. He said that he was told by the pastor that he has to Only keep this to You know under twenty minutes or thirty minutes or something and he says I want to remind him right now that this was side this was put together by Wally Carbo. And it's a ninety minute no time or no time limit event and it got a nice chuck. Yes yeah got a nice chuckle. And he brought in. Wally Carbos name there to that. 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You WanNa talk about when we go back to People that left Vernon the Awa you know gene was one of those guys he he he started in the Awa gene got his start from Verne. Gene wouldn't Aben gene without vern if you WANNA really be technical because Verne was the one that put the suit on on Gene Oakland and made him the announcer. When Mario Neil back in the seventies was unable to unable to and wouldn't cross the picket lines for a strike and Vernon at the last minute went to Jean Oakland who was the WTN TV WTN is now care. Eleven for those that don't know but WTC on TV at the old. Calhoun Beach Hotel. Where the TV studios were and he went up to gene and bad rush right before the. All Star wrestling program was to begin and said the gene. You got a sport coat. You GotTa do the show for me and gene. He reflected that he did not know how to do wrestling and Burns said. Don't worry we're going to get through this. Just get out there and take the Mike and gene was very kind and in his Eulogy that he thinks Verne for for that. Start and all of the Celebrity that had brought him in the in the career that he you know got from it he said I wouldn't have had that without vern. Ganja and But Jeans Eulogy was a very nice tribute going through earns history where he talked about. Vernice the athlete in College. He talked a little bit about his serving our country and he talked about Vern be a new star out of college and putting the Olympics in nineteen forty eight You know he was an alternate in the Olympics and then he talked about how he came to pro wrestling and immediately which was unusual in that time period. I should point out to the it was very unusual for a wrestler to start a career and be main eventing right away in that era. It just didn't happen. Verne was the exception. So in nineteen forty nine. He immediately was a success because of his background is college. Background is amateur wrestling background and he was when the Dumont Network and gene was telling this story. You know. And I'm paraphrasing all of it right now but he talked about how the Dumont network out of Chicago was you know. Basically the the one link to the country at that point in this new medium called television and earned Ganja along with killer Kowalski and Liu says and gorgeous George and Buddy Rogers. We're but a handful of guys that every promoter in the country wanted to have on their cards and Verne was one of them. And that's one of the reasons that he became a household name. But you know gene also pointed out that Verne brought when we all know this this stuff all of us have said but gene pointed it out that Verne brought legitimate wrestling to the carnival antics that wrestling could sometimes do even back in that day and he said vern. What's the real deal and fans knew that when Verne came to the arena or his name was on the marquee that this was a wrestling match and I was seeing a real wrestler regardless of who is opponent was and Jean pointed out that that was the stardom for Verne through the fifties and when he started the Awa breaking away from the Nwea in nineteen sixty that Verne Ganja had no problem with getting sponsors for the show and you know he was endorsing products? I don't know how many people know this way. But there's a vern gone yet. Board game that out in the mid fifties. They're they're legitimately is it was vern. Gone Your Board Game. If if folks are familiar with the board games and they have a little spinner where you spend the take your turn and you'll go so many squares all this thing and you know well. The board game on burn. Ganja was one of those products in the fifties now back in that era such a thing was really unheard of. It's not on like today. Where marketing for everything in especially the wwe? How well they market Everything for a wrestler but Verne had that that game folks can go out if you can find a game right now you can pay a couple of hundred two thousand dollars for it. I'm sure it was probably five bucks back in the day if that. Yeah but Gino. Cappelletti went through all of this that he had a lot of anecdotes and and told about you. Know How they tape and he said you know burn would get excited when something didn't go right and and and you know but vern was the boss. He wanted the product to be right and he said Yeah wasn't as glitzy as it is today and his as professional looking but it was for the for the era was the state of the art and and vern started the color era in Tv and one thousand nine hundred seventy to one of the first programs in the twin cities in the in the local media market to go to color if fans don't realize that it is true that all star wrestling was one of the first color shows. Even though color had been around since the mid sixties you know in various measures but all star wrestling Verne was the first local market television show with wrestling. That did that. Here's what I want to share about gene at the very end and this I tell you Wade if you looked around the church and I did and I was one of them. That did this as well when gene delivered the line. I'm going to give you. There was not a dry in that church wrestler family friend. Whatever they were there they all you saw them wiping their eyes and Gino. Oakland finished his eulogy with this. And I and I'm not gonNA pretend that I can do it as Jean. Oakland did 'cause we all know what a great voice the Gene Oakland has. But this is what Jean said he said as I end my eulogy. There is only one way that we can do this. Fittingly Ladies and gentlemen by heavyweight champion of the world vern done. Yeah that's very appropriate. Everybody wiped there is yes. 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Or wherever you listen to your wrestling casks or visit our homepage to download or stream. The shows or find out more information. Pw Torch Daily Cast Dot Com and and at the church service. It was. It was a very big church. Wade and I wanNA venture that there were All of the pews all of the chairs. Everything were filled It was pretty much the capacity. I don't know what the Church holds but if I was estimated based on on the way a wrestling card would be when we kinda would go in and kind of figure out how many people were there. I WanNa say there was a good three to four hundred and and this is something that I should point out too. And it's wasn't planned this way but it was rather fitting the way the church was set up. The entire alter area was in a square in the center of the Church and then the pews went in a square around the alter. It was almost as if fern was in a ring and above. They just had the they had the lights above the altar that were down on for the entire church service. They had the lights above. And I got this feeling when I first saw and then there I heard a couple of people actually pointed out that it was almost like we were at an arena. And it certainly wasn't planned that way because the church has been there forever and that's the way the church is set up but it was very nice. Oh just the symbolism of that gives you chills a little bit does really it really does it really does I mean it was. I WANNA point out to about people who have had You know sometimes you got to bury the hatchet so to speak Stand crusher Kowalski. The big K and I always say Stan crusher Kowalski I never say the big K but I'd say the big K for those facts that those fans that don't recognize them as crusher Kowalski Stand crusher. Wolski he was the one man through the years and stand is another one of my personal all time buddies and favorites. Okay but stan was one man who I absolutely felt that. I think he had a legitimate beef with Verne. And I always cited with Stan stand was one of the first guy in fact he was the first guy along with tiny meals that Verne Brought into his company in nineteen sixty one informed the AWA and for fans that don't know tiny mills and Stan Kowalski where the very first AWA recognized the world. Tag Team Champions. So unburned started the company. They became champions and he used Stan who was a local boy from Fridley. But you know wrestled with an international reputation. 'cause he did wrestle. All over the country Stan worked for Verne Vernon and and stand had a long running program together. Not only in the late fifties before it became the Awa but after the Awa they had a long running program and they always drew great crowds their matches. This is back in the days when Stan was main eventing and Verne was either the United States champ at the time or he was the Awa Champ and they always had a good program they always had a running feud but vern. When I talked earlier about how Verne never buried. Larry Hennig on the car. Larry was a constant headliner main event or his whole career here withstand vern phased him out and rather quickly by nineteen. Sixty three. Stan was working mid card lower card. Sometimes openers sometimes even asked to do jobs on TV. And that always didn't set well with stand because Stan was a local boy and he was always popular popular in heels way. I'll point that out. But he was always a good draw. In Stan legitimately felt that Verne was giving them the shaft Verne also took his crusher name away from him he was crusher with a k. Crusher Kowalski and with Nineteen Sixty Two when Reggie LaSalle ski came to the Awa he was known as Crusher Lasalle ski at the time that was before he dropped his last name and vern pulled tiny male or not talking meals. Stan Kowalski that we'RE GOING TO WE'RE GONNA we can't have you called the crusher anymore. And that was all stay in had used. For about ten years previous he was crusher Kowalski so they had a they had a couple of matches crusher versus crusher crusher with a seed crusher with a K. I have all the programs from this. I could show you how they did it. It's really creative. But the loser of course was going to give up the crusher name. Well stay at lost. Of course and Stan was then relegated to becoming the big K and that staying always had an issue with that. Stamm said to me one time many years ago he says what the Hell is a big K. It's a capital letter. You know so. He he legitimately and burned did phasing out and one time in the Mid Seventies. Stan was at the TV studio and vern told told. Stand to go get his bag. I want you to to work the match and You know basically do the job on TV and stand said that was it. I'd had it and Karma Pride. Call it whatever you a Lotta Times. You do things for the business. You put the next guy over all that stuff. I mean I totally understand all that but I always understood. We're staying with coming from now. Is Not the time to overpay for razors at the drugstore? Harry's no sometimes it's better to stay inside and that's why they shipped directly to you so you can experience the quality of Harry Shave and just a few days from the convenience of your own home. I love here's razors because of the fit and finish of the razor blade for me. I don't like putting a cheap plastic blade or a heavy blade. That's off balance up against my face when I'm shaving. 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Jerry Blackwell can say he's crusher blackwell but the crusher is the crusher and so stay in had stayed had that issue and the reason I brought that up was Scott Smith stands son He called me last week and told me that because Scott night have stayed in touch and Stan Kowalski by the way is a rehab center right now ever after having gone through another hip surgery here about maybe a month and a half ago. Two months ago You had to have another hip replacement and this was the second one in two years. So he's he's at a rehabilitation place and Scott told me he said. I told my dad that Verne had passed away and he said he looked at me and he didn't say anything and he just kind of put his head down and Scott says. I know it's really bothering him more than he would say and then he said to me will you take me to the service End Stand Kolevski. Was there his son pushing him in a wheelchair and stand was there for the entire service and Scott said to me afterwards. He said my dad thanked me for bringing him and he said he needed to go here and be at peace with it. How sweet yeah I mean I think that that alert the actor to really telling stories that that says it all I mean you could have just said if you really thought the guy was the biggest dink in the world. You'd have just said No. I'm not going glad he's dead. I you know I know there are people that would do such things. Well George let me wrap up on this note. We need to continue this Another time too. I think there's a lot more we can go into trust me. Oh absolutely you've done a great job conveying. What happened in being an eyewitness for so many of us To to all kind of it sounds just like a week of healing and And just acknowledgment What Verne meant to the community and one on one to a lot of these people who worked for him or he worked with The when Verne was in private as a promoter. Obviously he had to make some tough calls. You bring up one of them. Big K I don't know the details and Larry the axe There's other stories Bobby you know He. On both sides of it for and made decisions. Some restaurants didn't like and then later wrestlers may decisions Vernon light right. You know when when Hogan left in And on and on When Verne earned a reputation for being prickly or temperamental yet he was also use. The public. Didn't see that side of that. There was this charismatic. You said the smile lit up the room in he was the star in centerpiece upper room. He had that each factor Wherever he went when Verne was in public in there was that charisma was he was that when he was like obviously in the ring he loved being star in the ring but talk about what it meant for him on. A genuine was just marketing to. I'M GONNA I. I'm I'm a grumpy upset person and I'm I'm throwing temper tantrums. But as soon as the camera comes on. I'll fake and be nice. Because that's what's best for business. Was that for an or did vern and it's a loaded question. 'cause I kinda answer I think when I was in public. Was that just a genuine other side of him that he just loved promoting Promoting pro wrestling promoting amateur wrestling being a man about town and being in the public spotlight. It just seemed like we all have our moves. We all have our size and that just seemed like something that Verne embraced and Jan was a real genuine part of who he was. I'm going to answer it this way to your Wade. Because at the service I think both Gene Oakland and Greg Ganja Brought this home. That Verne was a very serious businessman. Who was in business to make money as any business? Is You know when you when you're when you're the boss when you're the CEO. Your employees are not always going to appreciate what you do what you don't what you tell them to do how you tell them to do it. And when we talked before about you know if you don't like the company you should leave but obviously there are always. I mean every one of us who have ever worked a job. You know. There's a boss that you look at it and you go what I think you know. Oh my you know you got an issue and and I think Verne as with any head of a company you obviously on a day-to-day basis had to make decisions and you know. Here's the thing weighed when you are the boss and I mean we could get into some serious decisions that were made within the Awa and that could be another program in itself that how they came about and what they how they impacted the company or didn't the impact that company but as as an owner of a company. There are moments in time when you have to make a gut reaction decision on the spot and maybe an hour later or the next day. You realize I shouldn't have done that or I I could have done differently. Hindsight as you say is always twenty twenty but and Aloha Torch Faithful. This is Kelly wells host of talks and x t every Thursday. You can hear me and my gang of idiots Tom Style. Shares thoughts from the live tapings and torch recap Limburg as well as a rotating cast of guests cover the matches and events in St Live on USA network search. Bwi torching and apple podcasts. Or Your podcast. App to subscribe or listen on demand and see the entire w torch daily cast schedule at POW torch daily past dot com cheers. That was that was the deal with Verne. And I think everybody recognize that and both gene and Greg. They pointed it out at the charismatic. Vern Ganja Greg mentioning as a father. As a as a fishing person as a hunter he loved all those things was always the same vern. The girls the gun your girls daughters. They talked about growing up with their dad. How you know pleasant. He wasn't how understanding he wasn't hell forgiving. He was things that they may have done wrong. Or when they didn't do well at something and he always encouraged them and he said Greg made the comment that burned is such A. He was such a person of tenacity. He he he just he constantly had to be. He was and I'm GonNa tell you a story at how Greg ended this with his eulogy. That Verne was so competitive that he he never liked to see failure and especially he didn't like to fail. You know he would try. Harder would try harder. He said play tennis with him. Vern would kill you at tennis because he was so competitive and when he was hunting he had to get them. Oh he had to get the most dear or he had to catch the most fish and and it was just you know he was always challenging and he says but Greg said there was one person who vern could never beat and he said that was our mom Mary. They used to play gin and he said marry my. You said my mom. She was the better Jin player and she beat him all the time and she said burn would get so upset and he resorted to cheating. You know he'd move cards each take cards. He do anything to try to win. And she'd still beat him and he says my mom always beat him but he says that's the way Verne was and the guy that we saw on the street or in behind behind the camera he both gene and and Greg pretty much said that was vern but he was just so intense all the time with you know. Obviously when you're doing the TV studio matches and you're promoting a wrestling card and whatever you're doing something has to be done in their decisions and and they said that's what made Verne Special Times. The people didn't see that that you know tenseness and maybe that I of anger for a moment where he yell at someone or but vern always had the charisma and a Lotta Times. He'd go back and slap the guy on the shoulder and say. Hey so you know I mean. And they pointed that out that it was. You Know Y'all let you but a second later he'd pat you on the back and he may maybe say nothing but the pat on the back said that you know. Hey Man. I'm sorry and so I think to answer your question. I think the Verne. Ganja that we saw was was vern. Ganja and he lived in Georgia. I could let another hour and a half go by and barely noticed but I have to run. I don't overstay my welcome to you today but let's do this again and And and talk you know give people more of your knowledge of earn and get it You know in a lengthy format like this on the record for the archives and learn what we can about about the AWA and its evolution. It's part of the pollution of pro wrestling and very Very important role in that and the different areas that that he grew and then obviously the the Mid Eighties where things started to fall apart and and You know he was overtaken by the national expansion. There's so many things have been said about him. And that and I really appreciate your perspective and your First Person. Stories George on so many of these Relationships that that in many ways came full circle so again. I just thank you for sharing what you have today with us. I totally appreciate. It weighed by all means Let's start again and you know anytime you want me to come on. I'm certainly willing and always a great job for what you do with the torch and how you keep pro wrestling alive. Wait thank you George. George Shire author up. It's golden age of wrestling. Burn Ganja to the road warriors on that note. I think our listeners and I appreciate everybody joining US Today. And until next time we keller signing up one of the great benefits that comes with a VIP membership is access to our unmatched library of pro wrestling torch newsletter back issues in the late nineteen eighty s and nineteen nineties. 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How sci-fi inspired us to go to the Moon | Alexander MacDonald

TED Talks Daily

13:28 min | 1 year ago

How sci-fi inspired us to go to the Moon | Alexander MacDonald

"This. Ted talk features space strategy advisor, Alex MacDonald recorded live at Ted ex Auckland twenty seventeen. I want to tell you a story about stories. I want to tell you the story because I think we need to remember that. Sometimes the stories we tell each other are more than just tales or entertainment or narratives, they're also vehicles for sewing inspiration, and ideas across our societies and across time. Storm about to tell you is about how one of the most advanced technological chievements of the modern era has its roots in stories, and how some of the most important transformations yet to come might also. Story begins over three hundred years ago when Galileo Galilei I learned of the recent Dutch invention that took two pieces of shaped glass and put them in a long tube and thereby extended human site farther than ever before. When Galileo turned his new telescope to the heavens and to the moon in particular. He discovered something incredible. He's our pages from Galileo's book serious nuncius published in sixteen ten and in them. He revealed to the world what he had discovered. What he discovered was at the moon was not just a celestial object wandering across the night sky. But rather it was a world a world with high sunlit mountains and dark Mari Latin word for sees. And once this new world in the moon had been discovered, well, people immediately began to think have traveled there and just as importantly they began to write stories, but how that might happen. And what those voyages might be like one of the first people to do. So was actually the Bishop of Hertford man named Francis. Godwin Godwin wrote a story, but a Spanish explorer Domingo Gonzales who ended up marooned on the island of Saint Helena in the middle of the Atlantic. And they're in an effort to get home. Developed a machine an invention to harness the power of the local wild geese to allow him to fly and eventually to embark on a voyage to the moon Godwin's book the man on the moon or a discourse of a voyage. There was only published posthumously and anonymously in sixteen thirty eight likely on account of the number of controversial ideas that it contained including an endorsement of the Copernican view of the universe. The put the sun at the center of the solar system as well as pre Newtonian concept of gravity that had the idea that the weight of an object would decrease with increasing distance from earth, and that's to say nothing of his idea of goose machine that could go to the moon. And while this idea of avoids the moon by goose machine might not seem particularly inciteful or technically creative to us today. What's important is that Godwin described getting to the moon, not by a dream or my magic because you'll have couple had written about but rather through human invention? And it was this idea that we could build machines that could travel into the heavens that would plant its seed in minds across the generations. They do was next taken up by his contemporary John Wilkins, then just a young student at Oxford. But later, one of the founders of the Royal Society and John Wilkins took the idea of space travel in Godwin's text seriously and wrote not just another story, but a nonfiction philosophical treatise entitled discovery of the new world and the moon or a discourse tending to prove that TIs probable there may be another habitable world in that planet. I know by the way that word habitable that idea in itself would have been a powerful incentive for people thinking about how to build machines that could go there. It was books. We'll consider ously considered a number of technical methods for spaceflight and remains to this debut. Earliest known nonfiction account of how we might travel to the moon of the stories would soon. Follow most notably by sir. No diversion with his lunar tails and by the mid seventeenth century. The idea of people building machines that could travel into the heavens was growing and complexity and technical nuance. And yet in the late seventeenth century, this intellectual progress, effectively ceased people still told stories about getting the moon, but they're relied on the old ideas or once again on dreams or a magic why. Well, because the discovery of the laws of gravity by Newton. And invented the vacuum pump by Robert hook and Robert Boyle meant the people now understood that a condition of vacuum existed between the planets and consequentially between the earth and the moon, and they had no way of overcoming this way of thinking about over. Coming this. And so for well over a century, the idea of voice to the moon made very little intellectual progress until the rise of the industrial revolution. And the development of steam, engines, and boilers and most importantly pressure vessels, and these gave people the tools to think, but how they could build a capsule that could resist the vacuum of space. So it was in this context in eighteen thirty five that the next great story of spaceflight was written by Edgar Allan Poe. Now today, we think of PO in terms of gothic poems and tell tale hearts and ravens, but he considered himself a technical thinker. He grew up in Baltimore, the first American city with gas street lighting, and he was fascinated by the technological revolution. That he saw going on all around him. He considered his own greatest work not to be one of his gothic tales. But rather his epic prose poem Eureka in which he expounded his own personal view of the cosmic graphical nature of the universe. And in his stories who describe in fantastical technical detail machines and contraptions and nowhere was more. Influential on this that in his short story, the unparalleled adventures of one hunts fall. It's a story of an unemployed bellows maker in Rotterdam who depressed and tired of life, this poem after all and deeply in debt. He decides to build a hermetically enclosed balloon-borne carriage that has launched into the air by dynamite. And from their floats through the vacuum of space all the way to the lunar surface importantly, he did not develop the story alone for any appendix to his tail he explicitly acknowledged Godwin's a man in the moon from over two hundred years earlier as an influence calling it a singular somewhat ingenious little book. And although this idea of a balloon borne voyage, the moon may seem not much more technically sophisticated than goose machine. In fact, POE was sufficiently detailed in the description of the construction of the device, and in terms of the orbital dynamics of the voyage that it could be diagrammed in the very first space fight in secret encyclopedia as a mission in nineteen twenties. And it was this attention to detail or to various militant as he called it that would influence the next grade story Jules Verne's from the earth to the moon written in eighteen sixty five and it's a story that has a remarkable legacy and remarkable similarity to the real voyage to the moon that would take place over one hundred years later because in the story the first voice of the moon takes place from Florida with three people on board in a trip that takes three days. Exactly the parameters that would prevail during the Apollo program itself. And in an explicit tribute to pose influence on him. Vern situated the group responsible for this feat in the book in Baltimore at the Baltimore gun club with its members shouting cheers for Edgar POE as they begin to lay out their plans for the conquest of the move. And just as Verne was influenced by PLO. So too would Verne's own story go on to influence and inspire. The first generation of rocket. Scientists the two great pioneers of liquid for rocketry in Russia and Germany Constantine, so kofsky and Hermano birth both traced their own commitment to the field of space flight to their reading from the earth to the moon is teenagers, and then subsequently committing themselves to trying to make that story. A reality version story was not the only one in the nineteenth century with the long arm of influence on the other side of the Atlantic. H G wells war of the worlds directly inspired a young man in Massachusetts, Robert Goddard, and it was after reading war of the worlds that Goddard wrote in his diary one day in the late eighteen ninety s arresting while trimming cherry tree on his family's farm and having a vision of a spacecraft taking off from the valley below in descending into the heavens. And he decided then and there that he would commit the rest of his life. The development of the space craft that he saw in his mind's eye. And you did exactly that throughout his career. He would celebrate that day as his anniversary day his cherry tree day and who'd regularly read and reread the works of Verne and of wells in order to renew his inspiration and his commitment over the decades of labor and effort that would be required to realize the first part of his dream the flight of liquid fuel rocket which he finally cheesed in nineteen twenty six and so it was well reading from the earth to the moon in the war of the worlds at the first pioneers of astronaut six were inspired to dedicate their lives to solving the problems of space spaceflight, and it was their tree disease and their works and turn that aspire the first technical communities and the first projects of spaceflight, thus creating a direct chain of influence that goes from Godwin to PLO Vern to the Paul program and to the present day communities of spaceflight. Why have I told you all this is just because I think it's cool or because I'm just weirdly fascinated by stories of seventeenth and eighteenth century science fiction. It is admittedly partly about. But I also think that these stories remind us of the cultural processes driving spaceflight, and even technological innovation. More broadly as an economist working at NASA. I spend time thinking about the economic origins of our movement out into the cosmos, and when you look before the investments of billionaire tech entrepreneurs and before the Cold War space race and even before the military investments, and look if you're rocketry the economic origins of spaceflight are found in stories, and ideas. Because it was in these stories at the first concepts for spaceflight were titillated, and it was through these stories than the narrative of a future for humanity in space began to propagate from mind to mind, eventually, creating an intergenerational intellectual community that would interest on the ideas for spacecraft until such time as they could finally be built. This process has now been going on for over three hundred years, and the result is a culture of spaceflight, the culture that involves thousands of people over hundreds of years because for hundreds of years, some of us have looked at the stars and long to go and because for hundreds of years, some of us have dedicated our labours to the development of the concepts and systems required to make those voyage as possible. I also wanted to tell you about Godwin PO when Verne because I think their stories also tell us of the importance of the stories that we tell each other about the future more, generally because these stories don't just transmit information or ideas, they can also nurture passions passions that can lead us to dedicate our lives to the realization of important projects, which means that these stories can and do influence, social and technological forces centuries into the future. I think we need to realize this. Remember it when he'd tell our stories when you'd work hard to write stories that don't just show us the possible. Just hoping pass. We may take for fear that the more disturbing stories we tell each other the more we plant seeds for possible to scoping futures. Instead, we need to tell stories the plant the seeds if not necessarily for utopias, then at least for great new projects of technological societal and institutional transformation. And if we think that this idea that the stories we tell each other can transform the future is fanciful or impossible. Then I think we need to remember the example of this are voyage to an idea from the seventeenth century that propagated culturally for three hundred years until it could finally be realised. So. When you write new stories stories at three hundred years in the future people will be able to look back upon a remark how they inspired us to new heights. And a new shores how they showed us new paths and new possibilities and how the shaped our world for the better. For more TED talks to Ted dot com.

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64: Money, Taste and Wine with Mike Veseth, the Wine Economist

Unreserved Wine Talk

37:31 min | 7 months ago

64: Money, Taste and Wine with Mike Veseth, the Wine Economist

"I learned that there was such thing as a wine economist from famous. Wine me my wife Sue and I were. Newly wits was so long ago that it will have a lot of money Atiyyah Napa Valley on the way back in the last day. You're driving up the solar raido trail. I saw this name. I knew more about wines then that recognize the name of a winery famous for the judgment of Paris for so he pulled in for one. Last is not all that works. Were bottles began talk Communist. Suddenly he didn't ask me. Your research. Faster to want to know is rates. The removing not interest rates and. It really made a difference because business a mob a lot of capital investment Vineyards Beijing really wanted to know when these winds were ready year. He has been situation solid. Do you have a thirst to learn about wine? D Love Stories about wonderfully obsessive people ponting Lee beautiful places and Amusingly Awkward Social Situations. Oh that's the blend here on the unreserved wine. Talk podcast I'm your host Natalie Maclean. And each week. I share with you. Unfiltered conversations with celebrities in the world as well as confessions from my own tipsy journey as I write my third book on this subject. I'm so glad you're here now. Pass that bottle please. And let's get started. Welcome to episode sixty four. You're in a special treat today. In this conversation with Mike disaster known as the Wine Economist and award winning author and Professor Emeritus in Washington. He took an around the world trip in eighty wines Jules Verne style to discover great value winds and the stories behind them. This conversation first aired on my regular facebook live video show so you'll often hear me responding to a comment that one of the viewers has made. You can join in that conversation every second Wednesday at seven PM Eastern. If you're listening to this podcast on the day it's published our next. Facebook chat will be next week market on your calendar. I'll put a link in the show notes where you can find us next. Wednesday as well as two mikes website books social media handles and the video version of this conversation at Natalie MacLean dot com forward slash sixty four so why not make twenty twenty the year that you move from feeling overwhelmed with all the wines in the liquor store to feeling confident about every wine you buy and knowing exactly which dish will pair perfectly with it? I can help sign up for my free online video wine class. The five wine and food pairing mistakes that can ruin your dinner and how to fix them forever go to Natalie MacLean dot com forward slash class and choose a time and date that work for you. Alec forward to seeing you there okay on with the show price affect your perception of a blinds quality. What would it be like to travel around the world in pursuit of eighty wines? That's exactly what we're going to learn from our guest who joins me live from Washington. Our guest writes about the fascinating intersection money tasting wine. He has published more than a dozen books have won numerous awards including wine wars extreme wine tasting wine. It's complicated and his latest book around the world in eighty wines. He's a professor. Emeritus of the University of Tacoma Puget sound in Washington where he taught international political economy and prior to that he earned his PhD in economics from Purdue University today. He's known as the wine. Economist and knee joins me now from Washington. Welcome Mike Beset. The wine economist. Good to have you here. Mike. I mean you have such an impressive background. I've only hit the highlights. Fill in the gaps and tell us they do something that would surprise people about you. Maybe that they wouldn't know that I double identity. I'm really confused. I if you go onto Amazon or Google and you search for Michael these which is the name. My mother gave me related. The professor. The series Professor Guy writes will survive Series of experts so-forth. And then you go to those places for Mike these then you need. A white person writes about wine. And the difference. La- personalities flip is actually very intentional. With when I started to it into law writing about wine I wanted. I didn't WanNa right. Just for vessels. There are a lot of active winding its European whining. Autonomous Association American whining. And I didn't WanNa right just because I wanted to write for the industry's consumers. The less feedback and drool testing discovered. Michael didn't get a lot of flies in comments. He wore a little intimidated by the Mike Oh yeah well Mike. I'm glad you joined us. Michael has retired for the evening. That's excellent so. Please tell US wine economists. How did you get that title? While I learned that there was such a thing as a wanted condoms from famous wine me it was a while ago my wife Sue and I were. Newly wits was so long ago that it will not a lot of money alleged valid that's from Washington State California. You're staying in the budget votes. Al spending a lot of money trying not some money on the way back in the last day you're driving up. Silverado trail dishonest name. I knew more about wines then recognize the name of a winery famous for judgment of Paris. For right that's only golden for one last eastern walk through the big redwood doors and there was celery and the widening by no more widely known. It was James. I didn't also this. You know eat poured. The full outwards bottles began to talk seniors along the twenty seven of will swirling without sewing songs working on that asking these questions. He learned that I was a communist. Suddenly he began to ask me. The researchers in all rates are moving up interest rates raking one offering the sentence and really made a difference because his business capital investment involved. What on the vineyards signs of really wanted to know when these winds were ready with the economy there humor's gear them situation. Having in the economy I knew out would affect weather is wine smoke. Could you terms of making an investment? Barrels his fourth. Or what you might have a got back to our budget. Donald Santa Rosa there. I sat down veges learns. Why need notice that why aren't in grass and science business excellently bike? You know I would just say given that vines on average take seven years to mature if not longer people in the wine business plan really for the long-term we're we're talking seven years out. It's not like this year sneaker style. It's like decisions you make today will affect your bottom line. Seven Ten fifteen twenty years from now. I don't know if you've found this in your travels but I think that's often why family businesses do well in the wind industry. I know there's been a lot of corporate takeovers and so on consolidation but still families who look to that long-term the economics. I think work in their favor if they are always looking at that. Long-term vision was exactly right in fact one of the chapters in around the world in eighty winds the chapter on Australia Hawks about the unexpected importance of family businesses. And some of the reasons are why that might in case. You're exactly right when you look at other industries the same size of wool industries. They're not as dominated by business as wine industry. That's for sure. Well this is the most fun kind of economics I've ever encountered taught economics with a glass of wine. Exactly exactly I love that. I didn't MBA but it was like economics. Never this fund. Mike Okay. So let's do a little bit of background storytelling before we dive into your books. You're fantastic books with the best titles. Ever that I've heard of let's start with Newbie. Take us to the worst moment of your wine career. Let's start there and then go. We'll go low them. We'll go. Hi Turning bottom how. Well I am fortunate and I haven't had any tragedies I'm winemakers. Why haven't washed event as something terrible like that happen? I think maybe the worst personal woman was with embarrassing painful. This years ago and a logo amateur winemakers decided at host. The charity events raise money for charity we can. They asked me if I would be wine. Judge and I'm not a professional Easter. You should have asked you but but said the ask me. So it was great judge and amateur winemakers in our team of judges. We tasted everything why they mean back in tasted slower and when we announced winner for example why we chose is the best. This was embarrassing for the best. Wine wasn't he didn't meet at a great use of fish. Yes Ya tasted like a mall. Vcr RESIGNED WAY IT was head and shoulders better than the other wines but people looked at us like. We didn't really know what we'd do it. I can imagine not painful. The painful part came that night. All the judges not horribly sick of those amateur winemaking wine must've had a bacterial and so we all got was using Johnson. The night voice now. Simo worse moment. Wow that's pretty low. That's my gosh. Judging a homemade wine competition you are a brave man Vin. So let's go. Hi that what has been the highlight of your wine career. Sohar at a lot of great moments interesting. A book reviewer when started a review this as everyone should be as lucky as my visa nice? Why did he say that? I'm happy with what I'm doing my best moment. I think it was back in two thousand thirteen now is invited to South Africa. You've speech at something called net. Herbert okay they never gotcha network is a winery and wash the have an auction once a year and the shoes older vintages from the best of the south there have been wineries. People come in the idea. Is that most people. Never have a chance to taste So the jury east things in auction Retailers and distributors and so forth from around world is what gets the best of South Africa wine out where people can tasted appreciate and every year the one species I I got to give the speech and it was interesting that so guard. Your friend learn everything I could about. South Africa's got to the end of the speech are wanted Cover it said. People stood up sheared. All is great and the thing they loved is that I wasn't telling them you know this is what you need to do. Such that at the end of it I suggested to them. The winds were great. They were Are and they're with the needed to do to try to draw in. The rest of the world wines is to do with it you best. Which is something. That's a South Africa. Is it a barbecue or barbecue? Yeah it is. Though the uniting force in South Africa that black and white and Indian and indigenous everybody in South Africa gets together to join BRI. Their national unity is actually ride. I think the idea that I would be saying the the senior that brings you together is the thing that can help you. The Rizal with white wines buys red wines. Everyone likes barbecue. It was moving motive. That is yeah. You remember that you remember the things at touchy deeply. That you feel deeply riot also reminds me up the Argentine equivalent of Assad pronouncing that medically but yeah very cool so Mike. Let's go now to perhaps the most memorable thing someone has said about your writing. You've said something that was really interesting but is there anything else you wanted to add to that. Because I know won. Lots of awards. Was He into moving thing? There's a why nigger in south France. The Carl feely G. R. Renzo Wind School and she writes books about her experience. Her newest one is all lasts. Half full she asked me to ride a boat. Learn from one of your books on the back of coverage so I asked right one four one in DC wines complicated so she sent me the word and in the words. She said that she laughed out. Loud it's some of the things I said that and then in the text of the email that went along she shouldn't also meet her cry. L. In a major cry because although she's living in France cheese originally says South aggregating niches richly from declined. Peru is wonderful China remote areas south effort and money tasted wine ends in the Klein crew with Shulin. I in the back of pickup truck. Going to a BRI with the stars above us. She said that my description of that journey at the end of the bigger so homesick knows cry and of course again that that touches me because the thing that I might lose the next with someone that way that closely is eve already painted a picture to in the back of a pickup truck and the stars and everything else. It's being there. It's taking us. They are with that imagery. That's just lovely. Let's chat about your books. Would you like to start with your most recent one? Mike sure so. This is around the world in eighty one wines excellent so we know around the world in eighty days classic book. So what is your take on this? What's the concept with the organizing principle if you will for the longest time I have been fascinated by books that take the reader on journey although the idea of this is is it? You're following the author through this and discovering something about world is seems to me that you're always really interested in finding out of yourself round world as Gulliver's travels and Jonathan Ravens Rory and Mark Twain's travel bookstore all around this fascinating and x one point. Ibn Realized that shoe and I. We're on a journey to discovering things about wine. War Fascinated inspired by Jules Verne decided to meet his journey and to see the extent journey. Weedon taking a nap on it. So for example his journey begins in London at a place called the Reform Club Hassle. Our journey begins in London. Three blocks away at a wine shop. All your brothers run. Oh that's famous Atlanta's Hawaiian for four hundred years. 's for the start in the end points and follows PHILEAS FOGG. Jules Verne Hero to France in Italy but then why this complicated. Phileas FOGG has to begin as fast as he can era world and I'm more interested with humilating stores. And this is the big differences that round the world in eighty days was designed to be this story of men verses immenent technology versus nature distance in someone overcome the challenges of moving quickly around the world. Ecological reme- memes. Sorta stop and think what is it. I'm trying to find out about wine in the world and I ended up on the question of why why. Why Wine Sore Why does motivate excite inspire people around the world doing this? I don't have to cover this. I have to accumulate stories that reveals some truth about the Horton significance. Wine and people to their communities. Families. Love the concept. I love that following the footsteps of Classic Journey Classic Novel. It's fantastic but rate organizing principle. Because you do need that to hold together the narrative. How long did it take you to write this book? A little over a year of actually dividing the book done part of that. Is that as we travel. I record a lot of my thoughts and so for on my blog. Winick ON WINE DOT COM. When economists started off as a way for me to have this exchange with people so I could try out ideas incident trying using academic papers trying out ideas out in the open so that people could criticize them suggestions and so forth so a lot of the writing of the ideas had been developed. A Matter of sitting down in that people process actually getting words on screen. Yes absolutely so you. You treated your log or your website. The WINE ECONOMIST. Dot Com almost like a pure review site the way Contribute and say okay. You need to look at this refined this. This question is unanswered. That's fantastic that you worked really well. Because if I've got a good idea I learned about it if I've got an idea. People who movement if as often happens I have a terrible idea. I find out about that. He's very quickly. Yes as DO I. I have a group that a call wine lovers for better grammar and they will tell me. Every time I've got a dangling participle or a comma misplaced a raging debate about the Oxford Comma. Anyway that's going down a rabbit hole. How would you describe a value wine? Mike Oh I have a collie purely. He's he's French. And when he and his wife Cindy House and go a wine tasting events with me. Here's what they do. They go around and then they taste the wine in go right down. eighty nine points or the write down how much they would be willing to pay for. I love that then the look to see and if if the price is less than what they had thought hey so I call it. The isn't worth it. I love that. That's brilliant awesome. I'm GonNa do that now. How much would I pay for this X. Slid one times when even though the price is very high you taste one Wa Priceless exactly exactly. A people are always looking for that they do. Qpr The quality price ratio in the even aside Still Exists. That does that for Quality. They take the score which is an approximation unrelated to the price. But I love that concept. Of How much would I pay for this? I love that I love it. Where would you point us to as a wine economist for the best wine values these days? So you're a great wine values from a lot of places. It's a matter of of searching them out and increasingly looking looking relaxed expecting them wines. From chilly for example renoirs from Chile have a reputation for very good down. I talk about in the book. It's almost curse is. He would like to know that chalet likely to remove rate once and re values tend to think of them as the values with the South African ones not not that many of the markets of them are. Sir stunningly delicious. You absolutely. I've come across some recently by that tastes like almost like a Bordeaux and I've been recommending them. There's like twenty five bucks. In case like a even a second third growth Bordeaux it's like wow and many of them have had their tutelage embargo. It's unbelievable value coming out of there and the refinement and yet it's a South African signature. That aren't one wouldn't be put in a plug for Washington state wants yes plays because Washington state There is a reason why. Allah for wine wineries are now investing more Washington wines. That will mind you of a Napa valley wine but it has or through the bryce right absolutely okay. So let's get back to your books. Is there anything else you wanNA tell us about around the world in eighty wines? It's your newest book. We can talk about some of your other books but is there something else you WanNa say about that one before we sort of talk about the other ones while it just didn't for me is an account of what is really seems to be a fascinating journey. An opportunity to think about all different ways wines affect people in effect world all around the world. I will say that this is at. He's your for your your viewers here that in around the world e days Jules Verne has surprised ending twist you arrives in London. And he thinks he's lost. Discover that through some twists fate. He has not lost it all. So so it's fiery by that roundworm wines also has surprise twist which I provided not only imaging verge but also make it possible for every meter matter. What their wind is the two away satisfied with that? You read the book. Wait for the wait for so to begin again at the beginning to know that place for the first time Lord Alfred Tennyson but you know to journey through our senses to the worldwide. This sounds like this is your book and then to come back again more knowledgeable and yet to know that sensory experience for the first time I oh I need to dig into that. Oh my goodness around the world for eighty wines. I talked about and move. Oh and I called Nouveau a black Friday. Why because it's a discount. I think it's in Canada to meet. Is that the that if a retailer genucel enough. They'll be in the blacks of the whole year. It's channel they can't sell enough. We're going to go in the red and the longest time would you vote. Was that Black Friday wind from one point more than half of all those ones for vote sell all of those in and they sold a higher price. Bozo in all of those in the black for a whole year. It's definitely cash. Flow crop jumped Cash flow exactly. Yeah I like that. So some of your books will all of them actually have intriguing titles money tasting wine it's complicated. What was the concept of that one versus around the world? This began with the idea that in an economist might be able to talk a little bit consumers about how economists would buy wine the honest about and so example. The very first chapter is called a wine drinkers. Biggest will stay You know what that is. Tell US pricing quality. Care all right there now in so I talk a little bit Ian here about some of the research about how that's the case and why that's the case. And how can we all sorts of errors out the friends that will go to supermarket wine? The look for opposed shelf. Parker's Yup those with the points on them at some points. But I have friends that what the look for is the biggest workout twenty dollars. You twelve dollars dash and so they look at the top over this. Wow that must be really good wine and then look bottom. Number is but they sold the car light is he looking for used heart at said regularly twenty thousand dollars but for you owe twelve thousand. You will say what's wrong with my friends. Who when they see that. It's like trout going after allure sauce from New and part of the price of what to expect. I guess a little research suggests is when you see a price the rain first of all as always way too busy. You're always muggy basking in. They're always short so when it sees the price than it knows. The higher price ought to be justified by higher quality so it begins to program in expectation of higher folly when we did these awful awful because I be ones awful. Mri Studies will be consumers in Tube in your mouth wine and the stuff yes told him that it was the scene wind. We told them it was like a twelve dollar wine. Or The little part of the brain that shows happiness Lou bit but then a little later when they told him it was one hundred online. Seen why is it only actually actually were chemically? Money does actually buy happiness images since so. Why do we fall for this sale? Deal thing in wine and not on cars. Why don't we look at the wine? That's on down go. What's wrong with that wind or do well? I think there are consumers that responding different ways to for example I think part of it is that in other things. Many of the things that we buy we have experienced with. We'd be in a supermarket through two thousand wines and you don't really know what's in that bottle or even a fine wine you don't really know that Gideon sure so you're you're working in the dark more war in a lot of other consumer goods so all of this. Little bit of information was very influential. You've gotten overcome this idea. The press is getting more information. That's great I always say there's a reason we don't have orange juice critics right. That's right that's right or you know in my soup. Orcas AROUND HERE. They will often have a carpet. Lurks around to help make decisions awhile. Wine Steward now. Appoint UP Actually have milk stewards. No exactly this now and saying by that cabbage versus that when you find money to wind started off as this and then it talks about the help. People Guide people through how to think about buying wine in restaurants or or whether to invest in wines in the later chapters Begin to think of all the different places where money in eastern Wine IS WINE. Were involved than the united money changes everything all right so let us turn now. I can't believe how fast this is gone. Which is a testament to how interesting you are right. What I'm calling the lightning round ABC. All right so these are a series of questions and short answers because we just love getting tips and advice as we come to the finish line here. So what is the best piece of advice you ever received my Lola soft? Trust okay wet. Snow one thing you are wrong about. Perhaps as it relates to wine. I've been wrong about a lot affi but one thing that I think I was wrong about that. A lot of other people were. It's court closures. Think a dozen years ago. I wrote off court Gap's getting better in the synthetics will so forth but the amount of research Shan and change that there's been done in order to improve or closures. Now if you've got a helix screw in now. Yeah Okay Google Helix Court in okay so it solves you the net last farm now core exchange even less expensive for is virtually eliminated orcas back and because it's a natural product. I'm glad it's back. I have nothing against the other things so I run off or not knowing not appreciating how much for cruises would we invest to resolve their errors and almost people love for. I am glad to hear that. I need to reexamine my own misperceptions hangover perceptions of Cork. Thank you for that. What's the most useful gadget you've ever come across? I'm not a big fan of gadgets. Xiaomi is but if a friend of mine earlier this year showed me some Gizmo where you give one bottle and British thing it grass upside down. Something will work out gross. I back over the one does that mean regional wasn't very expensive and I get as the difference so I've got a gadget. If you could share a bottle of wine with any person outside of the Wine World Living Dad who would that be? Also one Lou. I'll maybe Wayne. Because he will some of these places or or Jules Verne Joel's S. I think that would be excellent. You could put up a billboard in downtown Toronto Seattle wherever what would it say? Oh well visits Toronto. It's easy again. Hugh A. Wines many Great Ones Ontario and and I I'd love to see that the that industries Fantastic and finally. What's the most interesting question you've ever been asked because I'm collecting them? The most interesting question. I guess it must be this one because this okay. So that's sort of circular but that's fine that's great okay. Mic as we wrap up our conversation. Is there anything we have not covered? That you'd like to mention right now. I just want to see how much I have enjoyed this. Thank you so much and so how can people best find you online? Well you go to wind. Economists DOT COM. Yep Right to me Mike at Winding okay. Are you on twitter as well? I WANNA witter at White Visa. Excellent Mike this has been a fantastic conversation. Thank you so much for all of the insider tips. There's so many good to take away do myself from you. Know How much would I pay for this wine to look again at court? The whole gamut. It's been very valuable. Thank you so much for your insights by down Mike. Well there you have it. I hope you enjoyed this chap with Mike. Be Seth here. Are My takeaways number one. I admire how Mike makes wine economics accessible even to the extent that he changed his first name to be more approachable to readers to it's great how Mike structured his book after Jules Verne's novel around the world in eighty days even down to starting just a few blocks away from where the character Phileas fogg started in London England three unlike many other products even agricultural ones wine has a unique planning cycle given that vines don't mature for seven years on average that necessary long-term perspective is why there are so many family run wineries number four. Mike Describes Beaujolais Nouveau as a black Friday wine. When vintners get the cash they need from the harvest he also makes a great point that Chile being known for value is both a blessing and a curse. The latter because low prices aren't always associated with high quality and that makes launching premium labels far more challenging number five. I want to avoid the biggest mistake. Mike says we make mistaking price for quality. When it comes to wine it's fascinating. Mri Studies show the brain lighting up for happiness when subjects are told that the wine is more expensive and number six. I'm definitely playing that game. Of How much would you pay for this wine with myself and others to get a greater appreciation of the value of different wines? If you like this episode please tell a friend about it especially one who's interested in the fascinating wine value tips? Mike shared. You'll find links to Mike's website books. Social media handles the video version of this conversation. And how you can join me next week on facebook live in the show notes at Natalie Maclean Dot com forward slash sixty four. Finally IF YOU WANNA learn why red wine shouldn't always be your default pairing for many cheeses. Join me in a free online video class at Natalie MacLean dot com forward slash class. You won't WanNa miss next week when we'll be chatting with. 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Verne & Chris

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I don't know how you came over the name play by play calling the wildest games in sports from football, the college basketball, the masters and more very, thank you for being here. We we just through well, I'm honored and delighted. We do go back if you year do, and I was just reminding all the first time I met you was in the press box at Alabama, Brian Demi. And so we had a friendship that goes back few years and. I can say this. I've been a fan for many, many years, and I I'm gonna let you talk about, but the thing I've always loved about you maybe more than almost any other broadcasters, just your command of language. And that's comes from a writer. It is. It is just so interesting and the economy words is even more fascinating. I think one well, first of all, the best game of ever seen college or pro was twenty thirteen, Alabama, Auburn, and. I tried to be economical with the use of language. I've tried to learn the art which not many of us do of laying out and letting the pictures at. I had a great mentor in that and young people would not remember him at all, but the voice of the Green Bay Packers in the sixties was Ray Scotto and we became friends before raise death. And here, here's a typical Ray Scott touchdown call and. Lambofield star, dowager, touch. They can see it. That is, and he taught me and Pat. Some role did as well. You don't have to be that for Bose because it is a visual medium. It is and the art of that, and I relate a story. And then at some point I'm going to be quiet because I'm just so hyped up talking to you. But I was I was a cab last night at the bottom of the night and the Yankees game, and I must've been, I don't know who does the Yankees radio, but he was so good and it took me back. I think as John sterling. Okay. Think okay. Okay. Well, I knew John had I I wasn't sure he was still doing it. Yeah, he's eighty years. Okay. Then then now I understand why it was so good. Yes, he did the the, the Yankees loose versus the and I have not. I mean, I, I sat there and the guy should do you wanna listen. I'm not getting out of the car and it was just it. It took me back to my youth and we've come from similar backgrounds. Your youth was a year or two before mine, but not by much. Thank you. I'm curious to to to bring this full circle when you were young listening and learning who were you listening to. Chicago, Pittsburgh, Byrom, Sam. Do you remember him? I do not. Healthy of Philip and one of my favorite. He was a longtime broadcaster. He came on the air doing Phillies broadcast on radio, and he said, good evening by Sam on everybody. And we've all done it, of course. But no, I listen to. I used to get my bedroom, my folks house and I had a transistor radio and what a great joy to tune in to fifty thousand dollars stations. And I think that the relationship between baseball broadcasters and fans as much more. Tight than it is in almost any other sport. And it's so many of those guys have one path. I mean, Harry Carey, Jack, bucking in Saint Louis answer Kogyo. They were Mike people. Oh my gosh. And if you if you listen, you learn VIN Scully is maybe the greatest broadcaster ever. And I was lucky enough, oh four, five years ago to to be given the VIN Scully lifetime achievement award. And if the event was held here in New York and Bob Costas was a previous winter. I mean, it is a murderer's row of memorable broadcasters. And the next day I was down at my mo-modern getting ready to deliver the commencement speech and then doesn't travel anymore. So he did his introduction of me from Dodger Stadium broadcast booth. And Bob Costas gave me a call and he said, I, I'm sorry, I missed it last night. My son was graduating from college. I said, I understand why you weren't there. And he said, I've just got ask you a question when then skelly introduced you on tape. Did that cause the hair on your forearms to stand at attention? And I said, absolutely is so just to be associated with him. But those guys I listen to and I grabbed the trans. Trans- transistor and go under the covers, and listen to all those Katie k. and Rhys. Berg all the fifty thousand watt stations that were prevalent been than no, I think it takes us back and you know, I remember the summer. It was sixty four of the kid and the cardinals a panorama and they were they Harry and Jack would Senate to Katie k they would go to Philadelphia. It was just a different time when and as you obviously transitioned to television. What prepared you for that because you were suddenly dealing CBS with the criminal crown? Yeah, I was. And I knew that. I mean, the biggest, the biggest job start I ever got was when Tex Schramm general manager of the Cowboys. We have transition and my I was doing color my partner Bill, Mercer, and always wanted to do major league baseball. And the Rangers came to town from Dallas. Yeah. And so Bill took that offer and played buffet spot opened up and I had never done radio play by really of football, never and tax selected me and made made an author. And he said, obviously, I think you can do this and he asked me, well, what do you want to do ten years? And I said, I would love being a network play, play guy, and he said, well, I'm offering you a chance to get started. We have a hundred nineteen stations on the Radio Plus count, and if you can do it and I obviously think you can the network will find you, and that is what happened. So I was plucked out of not obscurity because the Cowboys were and route to becoming America's team first time name. So by NFL films and Schramm always. Denied that they grabbed that title marketed come on. And my first game ever this, I, I hope you'll find this interesting. My first game ever was oral you at Kent state started big, regional, really, regional, and Don. James was coach and I'm memorabilia freak. I save a lot of stuff. And years later I went back and looked at the game program and they've got the staff and Don. James had to graduate assistants, Gary Pinkel, and this guy named saving and Nick, of course, we we've had fun now since I worked with him so many times about pretending that we both were remember that not, but I've said publicly on Alabama broadcast. Well, saving. I go back to seventy four and I told miss Terry and you know them well, his wife, Terri. I told her that story about four years ago and she went home and told Nick and Nick had never. He had no memory of me being around with no witty, nor should he. But we've had fun subsequently, pretending that our relationship goes back can't stay. I as a golf fan. I have to have to talk about the masters and you. You have some of the most famous calls in masters history of yours. Some of the most famous calls almost every sport history or yours, but the nNcholas call probably is replayed more than any other tiger is not far. That's right. Let's set this up this one of the most memorable masters ever eighty six. Gosh. Is your team? I was seventeen for the first time was my fourth masters? I started in eighty three and my dear friend. The late frankly, ver was at seventeen. From sixty eight to eighty five and he tragically, we lost him a heart attack fifty one years of age. So Frank. Sure. Kim in move me to seventeen and I could. I could almost give you stroke by stroke what Jack accomplished on the back. Nine and. Actually backed plus one and part of the setup for the whole story is he birdied the nine toll, but he was not a factor. Anybody thought he started the day four strokes back of sevi- by stairs, and he birdied the ninth and Lance barrow who was then and associate director is now the producer of all of our golf telecasts was in the tape, broom, any yell to Frank in in the front Frank. We've got Nicklaus with the birdie at nine and Franken be crusty. That's a very kind discretion. Oh my gosh. And he turned around looked at Lance and he said, maybe call him booed as a large man. He's a Buddha, you gotta learn the art of storytelling. Jack Nicklaus is not part of the story were telling don't bother me well, then Jack birdied. Ten and Lance screwed up is curry, said Frank. NNcholas said he second birdie in a row. Okay. So then on tape, they showed nine and ten, and then they, they started following him live and we didn't miss a shot from that point in and it was just brilliant. And he. For the audience. He was forty six years old. Oh yeah. And I don't know do member, Tom McCall Stor here the columnist for the Atlanta Journal constitution. Tom wrote a column on Tuesday of that week in which he gave his odds on which flares might win. And he put Jack in the lower quadrant and because understandably Jack hadn't won in two years will Jack grout who was one of Jack Nicholson's teacher with staying with Jackson Barbara, and he cut the call amount and taped it to the refrigerator door so that Jack Nicklaus had read it every time he passed by. And I guess he did and got. Angry not he doesn't. He's not quote throw wherever, but he was upset by the depiction of him washed up. So the turn Niklas out ahead of savvy, and I think Norman and Tom, Kite I'm kite and seventeen for those who don't follow. It's not really a whole that ever decides the master. No, it's a nondescript it. It truly is. It was. They've lengthened it now it was more famous for tree that overhaul in the fairway called the is now or three because the the president when he was a member of Augusta, wanted the tree removed or and Clifford Roberts said not on your life. And so that was the is now our tree, and that's what we all remember. Well. Jack sevi- foot in the water fifteen. So now the double bogey seven and Jack is suddenly at the age forty six tied for the lead and he duck hooked even coke. The put away left off the tee had a hundred fifteen yards and he hit a perfect pitching wedge, leaving himself twelve feet above. And I do remember just giving myself a reminder as he walked up. This is Jack nNcholas, keep it simple and get out of the way. And so I, I just said, this is for so possession of lead and I shot up for a while and jacket the putt, and it had real subtle double break and got about two three feet away. And I said, maybe with a little emphasis more emphasis than that. And then it dropped in. And I just I where it came from, I just said, yes, sir. And Jack had the lead with two one hold of play, and he had an and Greg Norman atop guy were chasing him, but had you ever done a yes, sir before no, no snow. But you know what? I was told years later that. We, we have roommates at Augusta and my roommates at that time for about ten years where pita Costa's and David Feherty and David was out making a lot of money and a speaking engagement and Peter and I were home watching the frozen four, the college ice hockey filed Peters from Maine, and he said, you know, you get a lot of of impact from, yes, sir. He are. You wear that? Ben Wright used it for Jack on the eagle at fifteen, and I said, no, interesting. Yeah. So I went back and looked at the tape and I could not believe it that Ben had said that. So subconsciously it was lurking right back here and another pretty good call tiger couple years later. Couple of other ones, Christian Leitner and who knows what else. But we have a couple of minutes with with Verne. All of this is in the book by the way that is available. Now, of course, on Amazon who knows where else in the. Final story's going to be a pretty obvious, but the tiger story which is also in golf is is in your great. It's on your greatest hits, gosh, shell. Yeah. I mean, he birdied the sixteenth hole in two thousand five. And a part of that story is that tiger at a one shot lead over Chris DiMarco and Chris put it twenty people. Oh, the whole, very makeable birdie but tiger inexplicably pulled an eight iron long and left. And he had no chance and Lanny Watkins was in eighteen at that time and Lonnie said on the air, he's going to be lucky if he can keep this inside Demarco's bowl. So that was the setup. And it was a probably ninety feet to the green, and then tiger put brakes on and took a right turn, and the closer got the more. Cited. I got. And then amazingly it sat on the lip of the Cup for one point, eight seconds. I majored that time and advertising age magazine estimated the accrued benefit to Nike was nineteen million dollars and in two thousand five dollars. But and then and I just extemporaneously Haller in your life. Have you ever seen anything like that? Because I never had and it worked and that's one AM my list because now I've got two calls involving Jack Nicklaus tiger. Thank you very much. Let's call the career. Well, you you, you did finally call it a career, but but not until two, two weekends in November twenty third, teen one in the same in the same building where Georgia played Auburn. And the call then was probably going to be the signature call of your college football career. We're talking about the prayer, Jordan hare? Yeah, Nick Marshall one more about the way. Georgia was leading and on four th in eighteen Nick Marshall. Just heaved it as far as he could and the to Georgia defenders almost you couldn't believe it instead of going up and knocking the ball down. They tipped and Ricardo Louis ran under in mated. Great. Catch had to reach back and he strolled him on touched, and that was the prayer, your hair. And my favorite memory of that game is we came on the air on camera to summarize what we've seen, and Gary was very excited, Gary Danielson. And he said, greatest finish to a football game I've ever seen in my life. You will never ever see anything to match that Paul, we waited three weeks. Yeah, in a couple of weeks later, Saint place a game that Alabama was on the verge of winning several times. And here we go. Saving get time, Ron. I'll let you still this t. jailed ram it and stepped out of bounds in front of the Alabama bench. And the question and met Austin was the official the referee. And he said time is expired and Nick used to the red flag and he challenged the call. It took them seven minutes to make a decision. And Craig silver, our producer kept saying, Gary me keep filling keep filling, and we would show it again and again. And then finally, Craig said they're asking us to synchronize the end zone camera with a game camera on the sideline to determine if indeed his foot came down or the game had with one second left. And then Austin said, please put one second back on the clock and they did. And next. Saving was really angry with senior field goal kicker, I, we both Gary, not throw a hail Mary and we'll go to overtime. And he brought out this redshirt freshmen who had attempted to kicks previously fifty seven yards. And then I think we all remember that Chris Davis who had been substituted and put in during this lengthy time. I can't begin to remember who who was originally back there. So just you're not really thinking of an call? Oh, no misfield games over and and the kid got plenty on. It was just wide right and Davis was nine yards back and my, I think my very favorite part of the whole thing. He came down the near sideline in front of the Auburn bench, and it was obvious that if he didn't stumble and trip and fall, he was going to score. So he did go. In untouched dived into the fans. And I said, no flags, and then I looked, I thought to myself, dear God don't let there be any flights, and I looked to my right and I almost make exhaled in in excitement because there are no flags will. Then we intuitively laid out both of us. And I know this because I've seen this so many times one minute and twenty one seconds and we let Steve Milton are wonderful director's still doing college football and golf, and Steve cut twenty one made Twenty-one camera cuts in a minute, twenty one and he created a symphony. I mean, it was brilliant. Why shot Kosheh elation despair back to a wide shot saving walking off the field. Gus malzahn coming across and after a minute twenty. One, Craig silver said, well, let's start three place. And all I said was you might wanna see that again and very, Gary took it and, and he was terrific because he can break down the play, and he made the point on the last replay. Now you gotta remember that Nick Sabin put his field goal protection team out there. Keith action us to call the big uglies. And Gary said, now, look at this, they, they can't catch Chris Davis because all they got out their fat guys and I just I roared, but it is by far the most memorable football game I've ever been Florida during the minute. Twenty one. What are. I mean, I know you're like everyone else, but you're the voice of the game. What? What are you thinking doing? Well, new. Obviously, we're gonna come back with replays, but I thought that Steve, the great job of cutting you're, you're watching watching the monitor and watching this scene unfold. I mean, they came pouring over the barrier. The temptation though has to be something talk over. Yeah, and to our credit, neither one of did, and then we finish the replay sequence with Gary's memorable line and. And then we wrapped it up and well, we've milked the scene and Tracy Wolfson was our sideline reporter and she got got the Gus. I mean neck turn the walked right off feel, but. What? What effort, what a game you forget the fourth quarter tied. The game was tied and AJ McCarron hit a ninety. Nine, your style pass to Mari Cooper and that's lost in the memory of what happened after that. I think Sammie Coates caught a pass from Marshall tied it up for Auburn with thirty seven seconds left, and then we had the drama that followed that. What when something like that is over, you don't need to read that you've just described. Something that will never happen or likely never happen again, is there what's the feeling well within I was exhausted and Gary was as well. I think the guys who were in the truck, I think all of our technicians kind of just exhaled went. Wow. And I've remember they sent a card for because the trucks Auburn are parked down a hill behind the end zone, and they very graciously Senate cart to carry us back and they had to work through crowd that was just going crazy. And Craig silver gave him came over and gave me a hug member vividly, and then there was such a high. And so I get asked a lot. How do you rank your favorite memories force broadcaster? Well, that Klis is number one, and I had tiger is. One a. and late nurse, three and Tonya, Nancy is for whatever. And I said, I think this moved up and is tied with tiger for one a. and that seemed to satisfy lava guys. And the next morning I went online and I read Mike Vaccaro columnist for the New York Post and a really good guy. And he had watched the game. He was doing something somewhere, but he had access to television and he wrote a column in which he alleged that Chris Davis returned for a touchdown was the greatest finish to any sporting event he had ever seen. And I said, I read the column and I said, well, maybe I better reassess all this. And I told Mike, that later we met and he said, that's the way I felt after the game. And I said, well, greatest ever in any sport. He said, yeah, I think it stands up. So someone has made that case, and I want to agree, but I think there maybe history of sports there been others that were better. I don't know. Oh. Pretty pretty proud of it. And as we close, I, I know that's your your human being and you want those moments to be because they are going to be indelible and cemented in history, but it's hard to imagine anything being different or better on the calls that you've described. Certainly they're always regrets, but not on the well. I was a late bloomer. I was at ABC sports for eight years, and then I got a call in February of nineteen eighty two. We got bad news. We're not going to renew your contract while is coming up on my forty second birthday, and I got a chance and that this is a heck of a story that is also covered in the book. I got a chance to begin with CBS, but my initial offer from them, we'd like to do six football games and two basketball games. And I said, guys, I'm getting married to Nancy in April. I can't make a living doing that. And one of the heroes in my life was the general manager WFAN Dallas, Dave lane. I went into c- day. We had a great relationship because he had beaten me out for the sports caster job in nineteen sixty seven called me. And he said, genie, and I are expecting. Gonna get off the air and go into management, so and he recommended me to take his place. Dave was now my boss and I explained the circumstance to him. And I said, is there any way that you can see your way to allow me to stay on the air at the ABC affiliate while doing a basketball football on the CBS he said, let me think about it called me in the next day. And he said, oh, I'm gonna let you do it, but under these conditions, I cannot have you as a fulltime employees of our station. So you got to resign, you're going to become an independent contractor. And I would prefer that the game's not be televised in Dallas for worth. I said, I can't control that, but he said, you're gonna lose your insurance. I said, I've got it through sag after our union. So, but he was so benevolent in his understanding of what I wanted to do. And then things worked out beyond my wildest imagination at CBS, and we went from there. All of this in your your life story of in broadcasting in this book play by play. It's out if you want, you can go get it right now or seed, wait bookstore, like some of do. It's on Amazon and Barnes and noble dot com. And I'm very proud of it. I, I cannot thank you enough for coming by here. This has been a joy. You're kidding me. I've known respected. You. A lot of years. Thank you. Thank you very much. Listening to Paul finebaum show podcast on the. Geico presents eyewitness interviews within animate objects. This is Belinda Collins live on the scene of a recent lightning storm here to describe the event, a TV tray, watching football and holding a plate of Meatloaf, win Cup, bam. A bolt of lightning slams into the apartment blowing out the TV around sound anything you could have done to help. I'm a full table, not an electrician. Your TV trae can't help you in a lightning storm. The co insurance agency can help you get covered for personal property damage. Go to Geico dot com to see how a forcible renter's insurance can be. There's ever been a more interesting handoff than than what we're doing on this program. We've thank Verne for being here and equally the to welcome Chris Fowler to our studio, Chris. Those stories are pure gold. So I can't follow those stories, but I do appreciate sharing the room with you with them in the same. Thank you very much. And it's, I am. As I am a fan of Verne's an equal fan of yours. I fed callous times the the time I spent with you on game day was a memory that it was. It was harrowing time, but it was a memory that will forever be etched in my in my memory Bank is one of the greatest in crazy, feel welcome because he brought to the show. I brought you a gift because throughout the years in the south, mostly we've took our show to the south. We were shower with thoughtful gifts, usually had some local importance. Kentucky was the most spittle or three bottles of bourbon on one visit in one hotel room, which was hard to top, but Auburn used to give us beautiful baked goods. They said the holiday. So this is from the Upper West side. It's heavy see cookie in their ways about half a pound, but it comes from a famous Baker, that's all the guidebooks and all the tourists come any work and they line up down the block. Don't ask me why. And my wife did not lineup, Jennifer knows the secret second bakery, which is the same. Place around the corner with. There's never aligned that the guidebooks don't have. So those are pretty sinful. Our chocolate walnut chocolate peanut butter might be one oatmeal in there. If you're not for the faint of heart, if you don't wanna go all in, but I hope you enjoy. Thank you very much. I really appreciate. That's what a wonderful, not bourbon, but it's it's, it's, I will never forget. I was. I was at Kentucky one day talking to you on game, then you told me about the bourbon. I said they barely. They brought me water, but went from the school one from the ethnic department and one for the football team. I wasn't argue with the crossover. There's a million things I wanna talk to you about. But if we mentioned game day and you host twenty five years, I, I mean that had to be as Verne's ride through through college football and golf that had to be one of the all-time journeys for anyone's career. I think that a lot of best things in life and best things in your professional life also are. Accidents and game day was an accident. I never went to SPN, tend to studio show certainly know it not a pre game college football show because there wasn't one that existed. When I first got ESPN, we sort of built it brick by brick, a group of people. Certainly Mr. Corso being cook in the early years, very prominent Craig. James had a had a big part in the early years of it. So we're proud of where it came from. You know, it was thing goes on life support. Nineteen ninety got on the road twenty five years ago this year at Florida state. Notre Dame in November was the first time on the road and that sort of catapulted it. But it was an incredible run. So miss a lot of things about it. But now I get to do exactly what I wanted to do when I was ten years old, dreaming of being this business which is conveying the excitement of live events, college football and tennis, and my case to an audience. And so it was time to say a game day was tough. I do miss certain parts of it. Don't miss the wakeup call but remain a fan of the show, but and we won't talk about the entire time, but maybe because I'm so fascinated. At your role in watching you? I told anyone who would listen to me that I had never seen anyone hostess show with more command and more sensitivity to I watch you. You know, with crazy fans, I watch one day report a death that you had to turn on a diamond. It's a tough thing to do sometimes, but the joy that you brought millions of people for for that many years to me forever stands out your old when people and many players come up to you and say, oh, I remember watching game day with my dad. That might have been the first TV experience that they remember anyway. And so we're talking about eighteen nineteen years ago. It dawned on me when I hit the point where every single player we're talking about on Saturday mornings was not born. We started doing this show that's turning point, but it's nice to hear it really is nice to hear those things that that you were a part of their childhood or you a part of their family gatherings around the TV on Saturday morning to it's pretty neat. And, and because it's so unique, no matter where you are, it's it's the biggest show that, of course, maybe possible exception about Obama that's ever come to town because Ella bama's had it and they'll haul state has as well. But as you as you as you walked away from it and I, I wondered about that sometimes, but what was going through your mind as as a collage of twenty. Some odd years came together just be very lucky to have had the role to be able to experience the atmosphere at so many campuses and so many different types of pre-game environments. We did shows that we're, I think we're poignant that we're off the normal. Big game, big game set up. We'd go to service kademi these Virginia Tech after the tragedies, those sorts of shows stick out, but but just being able to convey the excitement at that campus of the biggest game of the week. Sometimes it's the biggest games in the lives of those students or the biggest game in the history of program and just trying to do the right thing documented in the right way and make them proud and you know, meet our own standards which got to be pretty high. I mean, I took great pride in the fact that it was not easy to do, and I think everything that's challenging in this business maybe in life that makes it more rewarding makes it more worth doing. And that was what was memorable. There's so many people involved as a huge collaboration and all the guys worked so hard in the crew to set things up of the stage crew. The guys in the truck and women in the truck all the guys in the set. Obviously, we're, we're great friends and you don't experience them, things like that. Maybe more than once in a career because you're lucky to have it once and. That's what it take away from from game day. Chris, of course, is at the biggest tennis events that that the SP uncovers. Obviously the prime time game on ABC and the college football, playoff. We'll talk about that because I would probably in the next six hours talking about game being told there are there's a football season going on when you do your book and thirty years. Well, won't be alive, but save me. One. I will you'll be in the book. I don't know, but the the right approach invert I, I look forward to reading his book. I really do. I think there's two ways to do a book. You can be brutally honest piss off everybody. They never worked, or you could sort of crafted at a certain way, your friendships remain intact. I think is probably the way to do you were you were saying something off the air that I did not realize that in your games this year had a neutral site game to begin, but the certainly remember how state and Penn State the road team has won yet not a single home team has won on the ABC well package, and that includes. Why does technically neutral? Right? Or more Buckeye fans, if they had to travel to get into plane, took a bus and Bama Louisville was a true neutral game to began, but not a single home team has gotten done. I don't think the home schools have caught on to that trend yet now they have, but we've seen teams handle their business on the road and some of the toughest environments Stanford coming back at Oddsson, Ohio, say, coming back at Penn State and Notre Dame beautifully, handling San man and the lane stadium stuff. So I think that it's, it's crazy. I've never seen anything like it, but you want great games, but the back-back Stanford and Penn State had to be two of Alzheimer's. I just you never know in this for which makes it fun. I mean, you have in your mind. No one's going to come from behind Stanford was done and dusted and got off the mat. It's it's a good reminder that in in in life in sports, just keep plugging away, keep swinging and anything's possible. You know, the Ohio State Penn State comeback was was an incredible too. Touchdowns in the fourth quarter, an incredibly chaotic environment. I think it stands out as the most important fifteen minutes of the season so far because I still tracking toward the playoff. They were up against it. They're very few teams could have done what they did, and then Notre Dame went down. There was serious doubts about themselves as a road team. Brian Kelly's teams had flopped in those kind of situations in recent years. They worked so hard in the off-season to handle tough environments. They were overwhelmed at Miami and a game. I call it last year. They handle it very well. Tech is not a great team. They got some holes, but still the environment was suit was very challenging executed well, and that's why they're still tracking toward the playoff. I want to talk about Alabama per second and go back and we spent a lot of time talking with Vernon you're far two, youngest are reviewing your your your career, but I mean you you had a call with to that has been played about eight billion times on this program and quite a few others. Let's go back to that moment. I don't know if we have here, but I thought you were gonna play it. No. Well, no. I mean, the mobile was overtime games are very weird to call Pommie. You just never know. Can any play in that situation? That was the most disastrous I downplay in overtime I'd ever seen, and we were so shocked that he would get sack for seventeen yard loss in that situation, you have to show the replay to explain what happened and then the next play unfolded so quickly. And so what came to mind me was done about Loa. Hello trying to make up for it. And that was as he was launching the pass into the end zone. And I just it was the most incredible shock sudden turnaround from making disastrous freshman play. The could've cost yourselves a chance to even take field goal to all of a sudden winning the game ten seconds later. So you don't have any time to think about it and the best thing you can do once you scream out, Alabama wins, just shut up and let the pictures take over and and then just what popped into my mind was in happened to rhyme, but it wasn't preplanned the crimson tide will not be denied because I think all the things that had happened, you going down should won the game, regulation, muff feel battling back when George had all the momentum was planned. It's butts changing quarterbacks. I just thought what what struck me at the end of that was a team that just would not be denied and you know, we're so lucky to have two great playoff games to call. It was on the heels of Georgia's big on the Rose Bowl, which I thought was. The best production ever been a part of and then to have the championship game, equally dramatic was was pretty neat. I'm not crying for anyone but head Georgia's season ended winning rose Bowie would have been the greatest season since nineteen eighty. Instead, Georgia fans are still trying to figure out what happened. Yeah, you got a bunch of fans who would rather go to the Rose Bowl or a big bowl game. Then be the number four seed in the playoff and get clocked by. We presume, Alabama. That's that's actually reality out there. You talked to fans who who are in a position to end their season. As you suggest with a defining moment in a major bowl game or be the number four. See, that'd be a massive underdog. It'd be remembered for getting destroyed in the semi finals, which has been the fate of Michigan state and others. I wanna ask you about that because it's hard to avoid the Alabama question. As you go around the country, talking to coaches, trying to measure great programs, and you've seen a number of them including Ohio State and and certainly Penn. State and Stanford and Notre Dame. Is there a way to to do a point of reference to word this Alabama team is and and measuring them against some of the better teams, they just have so many paths to victory. And then we saw team that up until the championship game last year often had to grind. It's way through games. The offense was not all that dynamic. Sometimes the games are closer than they should have been just because of that fact. Now, I think we all see that that talking about low in this playmakers give them another dimension and they can outscore people that they have to. Defensively, could they clamp down and win. A gritty, low scoring game if they had to. I think I faced they could do that. I mean savings not pleased with every aspect of the defense. But when you look at that Paul and then you look at the other top teams and now it's very popular to say, and I've been a long time in the sport, and yes upsets happened, yes, quote, unquote. It often all shakes out in the end. But I think it'd be careful this year because I think the circumstances are different. The situations that surround the top teams might be a little bit different. I think we can presume is going to be chaos gift to look at this and say, it just might be that bam in Georgia get through undefeated employees, and it just might be the Clemson runs the table that will house. It runs table. I'm not saying they all will, but just to sit here and assume that it will sort itself out there will not be messy, complicated questions. I see a real separation between the top teams and the others. I also in the circumstances of those top teams. I mentioned, you look at their conferences or Notre Dame's case. They're non. In conference schedule. Some of that's falling away. Some that's not nearly as imposing might normally be the, for example, will how state in the big ten. I mean, Michigan has yet to achieve what we thought it could still seasons to there still time. I think over instill control their destiny if they went out. But so far we haven't seen evidence that's going to happen. And I just think the you look at the strength of the top teams the way that they have different ways to win games. You know, I mean, Georgia doesn't have to score bunch of points. You don't get big plays against him. Now this they sort of do it the same way that last year they grind it out. They prevent the big plays and make you earn it, but that's very, very successful clemson's more dynamic in the world last year offense, Ohio sate far more dynamic than they were last year on often so they can win outs to Chris Fowler with us for the final couple minutes, Chris fascinating. You college football. You're also one of the preeminent tennis broadcasters. I I know you fairly. I've never. I never knew where that. Where that came from long story short. I was a tennis fan from the same football fan as twelve years old, Jimmy Connors and Chris ever come onto seen. They won Wimbledon nineteen, seventy four. I went out and got that terrible steel racket. And Wilson t. two thousand Jimmy us and no one can hit a ball with. And I really started to play pretty seriously as a kid not terribly talented. Parents didn't push me. So I didn't go anywhere as a tennis player, but always watched watch tennis and grew up watching dick emberg at Wimbledon. And one of the reasons why I think the I wanted to do this job was was just having him bring women into my living room with his particular voice and personality. And it was neat, and I just been, I'm huge tennis fan year round. Follow tournament somebody's ever heard of. We're not broadcasting. I'm still watching them. Is there any correlation between working with McEnroe and working with herbstreet? Not much. I would say John McEnroe might correlate more to dick Vitale. Because he's a unique personality. But I mean, John says some of the wisest things in analyzes tennis match away. Nobody else does, and we have a lot of great analysts and and I work with, I think the best in the world, but John will find a way to frame match through the old Johnny Mack experience, and no one else can use. And I think that's why he's connected with for so long. It's a blast work with them. And we're talking about epic situations. You had one this year, not that long ago. Not that far from here? No, no. If you're talking about the Serena Williams, Asaka final, unlike anything I've ever broadcast. I mean, I, it's so chaotic. It's so hard to understand exactly what the chair umpire said the punishments and and the crowd can't hear the players know what's going on. Imagine a football game like that. And you think that tennis. It's got to be simple as two players out there. We know them well, footballers twenty two guys. You don't know him all that well, sometimes, but the fact that tennis continues to surprise me and anything is possible on that court with two people out there. I never thought I'd see anything like that. There was enough blame to go around. It was a complicated situation. They're all sorts of layers where we have this thing was before the the idea of gender bias was raised, and those are very real issue for Serena. They had to be talked about the fallout from that the way that the US reacted to it the way that the chair on pyre felt he was thrown under the bus. There's so many different aftershocks of that open ever have to go through that again because I wanna play who won the title rightfully and she deserved to be in the USO champion. And for naming Asaka, her championship moment was tarnished by the acts of others. That was too bad. Final couple of material with Chris. Oh, let's in with where we are in the. College football season. And as I talk about Alabama, just the relationship that you and your your crew and obviously so many times for game day have had with Nick Sabin and and I know none of could have predicted what we're seeing right now, but, but what's this journey been like to cover? Well, I'm new Nick obviously from Michigan state, and it was always good to us. I think that. Coaches. Who wonder stand the, it's not necessary to battle with the media. You might think that saving does exactly that. But I think we, we are thankfully afforded through decades of doing this, and I think our Jenas quite different that people who cover the team in a daily basis. So we show up for the biggest games and we show for the play offs and things like that. And we're not trying to scoop anybody or or report what's going on in each and every practice. So we are very lucky and that we get access to stuff and we don't. They doesn't do it because I think he thinks herbstreet and power of the greatest guys. I think he does it because it's good for the program to sort of have people see the attention to detail the the amazing way that Alabama players on the team and police themselves and show great leadership and pass that down. I, it continues to be a constant topic. Paul coaches always want to know what you see in Alabama. What's going on there? How can I get that? How can you tell my team. What you've seen in how they can sort of Dopp as much as possible without having fifty five so recruits on the roster and and they're always people dying to know how he does it what we've seen and so and I don't really have good idea other than every single phase of the program, you have to relentlessly pursue excellence in every single facet and phase of the program. James Franklin had a conversation about this as he tries to pursue a house state in his division, but whether it's Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, Georgia's. Certainly, I think we've covered smart at this point has getting there every single person that does every task peripheral to the football operation has to embrace that mindset and that work ethic and that that standard and saving his better at creating that than anybody ever seen maybe better than most leaders in business or or anywhere. And I think that whether it's whether it's wanting to meet his standard or fear or whatever it is that motivates everybody in that organization. And they're blessed with almost bottomless resources. That's part of it too. As a real arms race, it's going onto the top of the sport. Alabama's is spearheading that, but it's it's impressive to see you were at an recently. That's one that people are watching in terms of JIMBO in that program. We, you've been around Kirby allot, do you sense any of these, whether it's urban, who's was there with saving James Franklin, anyone who is is not gaining on him, but it was getting closer to where that program is well trying like hell to do it. And I think they're, I mean, they're bringing in as many of the x. coaches who are consultants holiday control guys and that sort of the hidden arms race such just weight rooms and player lounges. Everybody's got that. It's how to be more efficient, how to get better information, how to use it, how to prepare your staff and your players. You can create shortcuts by having extra people on the staff. They're doing it last say, I has bottomless. Sources. I think they'll commit what they need to. I think I think Jim Harbaugh riding machine to do the same Franklin has to convince people at Penn State's it's needed to there. I don't think it's any convincing people people at LSU, Georgia and the SEC they've been playing catch up for a long time. I just wonder in that conference topic, you deal with all the time is Alabama's preeminence at the top of the league. And I know they lose games. I know they don't always win the conference title, but let's look at the longer curve there. His it, in fact, helping along the SEC to catch up or is it pushing it down? That's what you have to ask, Chris, thank you. Anytime what a joy we are done, where heights thinking, hey, take a night because this has been a just a light full show. We'll see you tomorrow. Thank you for listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast the Paul finebaum show airs weekdays on the SEC network, getting clean Easter.

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WHM Mail Bag: Explaining Movies to Old People, Celeb Sightings at the Cinema, and more!

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So by the way, this is WHM mailbag for the month of March. So as soon as you done fitting all that money into your pocket it could fit. There's there's so much money in here. The mask singer speech. Sure. On. You're supposed to sing this whatever you're about to say should be singing. If you're listening to this later, you could see it earlier and YouTube channel are movies moved to Janelle notes. You would you would not proceed on the masks. There are no Terry Bradshaw. Let me tell you God. God who had to propose that? He did this on a luck. I happen to have this mask. Don't just happen to have this mass, by the way, that's fucking Grenada. Weirdly, you both have C T E who had a guest strange strange thing for me. But for the people. That's just the the brain damage. You get for. I did take quite a spill. All right. We are here reasonable letters. Steve Zadek went you get us started with that right now the month of March WHM fans are everywhere. Hey, guys, I had to get some intimate parts checked out at the doctor. And it was wearing my WHM figure. It out shirt. Like graphic tees in general if the doctor like it's kind of like, I'm not there to entertain I wanna be as Nana spas one. I don't want them to glean any of my interest clothing. You're giving yourself away. If you have a comic book shirt, they're like, you're not eating. Well, are you? Yeah. I wanted to be mystery dude, I want to give them all the rest of all. They know you're not eating choose where you're wear and stuff like that. Also, by the way, bumper stickers either way lean you're putting a target on your fucking back. I'm really paranoid about stuff. Like that. If someone takes anything the wrong, exactly what if I don't like the green lantern mother. Fuck. Here's it going. You're showing. Here's here's what what what motion is. Somebody stabbing. You it something you're. Dhafi thought it was the ass. Here's it going. So yeah. 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I don't need that guy's fucking fans. And my mentioned shame. Peta? Shame people you watch on YouTube. Chris I watched them all speaking of Chris cabin tickets next letter. Let me explain said by Chris cabinet lot in real. Hey, guys, a recent mailbag mentioned having to explain movies to inattentive theatergoers, which reminded me of the time. I had to do that for an entire theater e a few years ago. I was in your hometown visiting L that we there just to see us. Why were you years go? I was in your hometown visiting elderly relatives of mine in Forest Hills represent where many elderly relatives reside true. I had a few hours free in decided to catch a matinee movie at the way on queens boulevard shore, the only people that queens boulevard. Chase into the mid way quiz. Oriented west. Yeah. I think there was one time. I may have been at the midway. There is Jim go there. It was a theater it is kinda deep alley. It's like an indie theater. I saw what was that? Andy Sandberg movie that was like a drama that actually turned out to be pretty solicited. Jesse forever? Yes. Yeah. I saw that. And that might be where we're talking. All. Right. The only people who were there to see the nice guys at two in the afternoon on a workday. Where me about twenty. Oh, folks, getting out the New York summer, he checks out as you will after the movie I got to leave and one of the older viewers flag me down. Excuse me. Young man. Oh, here we go. Thank you old people. What was the briefcase day where? Oh. So whilst soul. The nice guys. I don't even remember. Yeah. I forget good movie. I mean, it could just be a golden light too. I liked that movie I explained and she didn't understand. So I ran through the entire plot of the movie for Lord almighty around the time. I started describing Keith David role in the story. Boy, you're going into details. I looked up and noticed that every single person in the theater at gathered around. They all needed the same explanation. The nice guys occur examined. That's the comedy with Mark Wahlberg and no housing. No, Ryan Gosling, and Russell Crowe Russell Crowe guys. Other guys all these guys movies. You know what I mean? I'm just going to say it's too many guys do many guys yet too many guys, although a great bit in the other guys is with Sam Jackson, not super famous. Dwayne Johnson jump off the building and they both kill themselves. Pretty fucking great also car-chase scenes filmed in Albany, New York. How about that? The other guys the Ryan Gosselin got it. Yeah. Just great about filming cart-races in Albany. You can't wait to get out of there. Pedal to the metal. If you put that mask back down. I would love to live like this on you, look like the killer in that fucking Jorge Romero movie bruiser, indeed favorite. Give me a line rating of Jasdaq. I just wanted to see the paintings Joan thought we were gonna food. Yes. That's right. That's Jerry Hall. There. It is there it is. This is Mick Jagger over those misses. Roger Ailes these days, not Rodrigues the other one doc river Murdoch. Yeah. Oh, wasn't shells with him. Jackie we both at but now 'cause all Rupe it bad. To see the Royces you looking at him by me out by that for Steve Bannon. Oh, shoot needed to be about seventy times bigger. We're not done with the letter continue. They all think me afterwards. Thank you young. Like, it's not memento. It's movie. Okay. Never mind. Make because they were falling asleep old decrepit, I suppose, that's making me feel a weird mix of pride and discomfort. Have you ever had to recap movie for people just after the credits rolled thanks for reading. And thanks for making me miss the outer boroughs every week Adam in Pittsburgh. Yes. Giorgio. Oh, I do. Remember? I've said this before a few times. But when I saw memento when it came out. Oh, right. The movie and old lady yelled down the crowd at Dida. Did anybody get it? I think the same lady was in my theater. No, one explained it to. I when I it happened often enough because they used to go to movies with buddies in high school, not in the best state of mind, not as a sober. As a clam fucked up fucked up Brahim. And we're gonna go Faulk on a CRM the Palam rates. Doc in whatever overall, you're gonna see fuck of Annella Scarborough fucking crazy. You know, you can't be watching top three Fidel sky accident there. He goes. There. It is. This was just riding and camera Di something about my. I got this mask. But no. Next thing. Kurt Russell's my doctor. I'm actually enjoying it. I remember many a cold drive home with friends where I had the best reading, comprehension or movie, comprehension of the film. Right. Well, because it's actually. Okay. All right. I know one should have been driving but in any event. Yes. My my aunt went to see iheart huckabee's with me. Like what is that about? And I get maybe three minutes never mind, dude. That was my bucket mindset with beezus shit real everyone hated it. I remember not hate I really care for it. What am I one of the better Russell's? I think I had never had the need to explain things like that coming out of theater, mainly because I'll just ignore any fucking old person asked me for a systems with some cockamamie shit like that. But then also like I never really went some movies with my family. But I remember one time we were at my parents house, and we had like flipping through channels, and we had on either the dark, oh, it was the dark. Knight rises. I think specifically, and it's like the last twenty minutes of Christopher Nolan's dark. Knight opus, my mom who has seen. Not a second of these movies starts asking questions, usually entertain it. But I was like mom. This is like. The seventh or eighth hour of these movies. And I can't possibly be going all the way back. She was like looking at Talia algal look. And who is she? What did she do like? Nope. Even about to happen. And I change the cheese. Maly Nazi novelty. Now, I do remember something that happened not really an explainer. But. When we did our show in Portland, Oregon, not two years ago or seventeen alien covenant was out, but it's been out. It was out for a while. But that point and we went and saw it at the living room theater and Portland because all those living room theaters. Awesome. Yeah. And because we had a bunch of time before our flight was to check out of the hotel do something. So I went to go to the movies. And then we were like, well, we gotta get rid of all these edibles. We have we're gonna. We're gonna take all the animals we have left and then go see alien covenants. Maybe not the best. Idea. But once the zeal more like I like falls down onto the fucking spaceship that it just everything hits. On the floor. And it was a great experience that I get out and I'm still flocking stone beyond plus an old ladies like what movie did you just? I'm like struggling to breathe and I'm like do pre Haley. Duprey alien coveted. And she was like, oh was it better than the original? And I'm like, no, I would be a stupid idiot tried to be as plug as I could. But I probably looked like I was fucking say in your. That's you and your interior out extra guy. Yeah. You're totally right. All right masks singer here. We'll do another one. Leftover path co hey, guys, I used to work at a multiplex much like Chris Anju have plenty of stories to tell because of it when I first started. I was told I can help myself to leftover. Pretzels, the concession vitiates. I want you leftover hot dog is happy. I don't even know because a lot of places like those little Roly famed our ten that thing looks like crispy dude creator. Yes. To bring home the left over whatever was exit popcorn that too by the garbage bag literally you could. That home and your story. Bacteria? In your own filthy euro chair. I work at the movies. I go home and sit on a big pot. It sounds like a very live vistor movie over here. Living on popcorn YouTube channel movie. You're gonna say something disgusting. Like we bring back like leftover Nacho cheese as well. You. A sack spent Nacho cheese sexes that your pillow. Go to know you got a little courtesy Cup. You just put it under the thing. And it was like do. Competencies, dude. And you take your chips in a separate bag, and you were good to go. Yeah. You're good to go shoot. It. She's shooters. Oh, wait a second. However, there was a stern rule about taking popcorn home. Interesting. This the fuck is this. This puzzled me as I I saw bagged up thrown away. Just like everything else on a nightly basis when I asked him when they told me that it was a newly implemented rule just a few months ago before I started an employee who still worked there during my time. Oh, taken one of the giant trash bags home and dump the old popcorn over the lawn of her ex boyfriend. Acre Vange, do do, you know how many birds around that lawn in the morning, not all of us can be Angela Bassett, and what's that movie to exile waiting to exhale? But some of us have the fuck it gall to be this this lady fucking popcorn and someone's driveway. He should just be happy. She didn't take the syrup bucket from the Toyota. Oda or at all over the lawn and kill it, those things they call them bibs. Bag in box key, because it's a bag of syrup in fucking box to Scott, you're hooking up to a hose and that's fucking soda, fountains work. But how cool would it be to take a lawnmower to Alon of? Yes. Right. That'd be amazing popcorn. It's lawn with popcorn on it yet. But then once you once you shred it. Yeah. And then this looks like popcorn snow, then the other popcorns become their own popcorns and start marching to music. A little I definitely think that'll happen continue while cruel and unusual. This wasn't the brightest idea as her ex boyfriend was also a former employee of eighty dude fucking shit where you're eating man. One of the managers the next day. What a fuck in Weiner Netflixing Arcos over here. From then on no one was allowed to take ruin it for everybody. Do you have any crazy ecstasies or tales of abusing concession privileges? I'll hang up and listen, Matt and DC, Matt. Thank you for the letter. Yeah. I used the bulk candy counter, man. Nobody's fucking business which eventually they got rid of the multiplex we worked at. But you know, the bulk candy it's like the big fucking tubs of each individual candy. And you take the bag people will inevitably spill it on the floor constantly. I always tried to position myself. So I got the concession stand. Register where you could reach your hand into whatever the closes canny thing was right there. Nice dude the fucking chocolate covered peanuts. I think was closed. I was just challen down totally took the ice stole so much fucking bulk candy from that the the height of decadence is Andrew a very close friend of me and Andrews who also worked at the theater, he came up. On your lunch break, you would just get like a slice of pizza from downstairs. We had a nice deal with the Iranian pizza place. Dude who went by Tony. But the deal was he came up with free pizzas constantly. And then we let him and tons of club rats that he was friends with go see movies for free amazing relationship. Did you ever put popcorn on the pizza? No, no. But this is going to our friend like he's about to eat the slice of pizza like a normal human being would. And he's like. Looks around. And I remember this bone Jill. And I'm like, what are you doing? He's like. And he puts it under the Nacho cheese thing presses the button and drowns the thing. And then shoves it in his mouth. Yup. Do not Joe cheese on your pizza. Disgusting. I mean, if talk if Taco Bell Nacho, Pete's, oh, man. You have not Joe BJ. That's great. I worked at a country club for two summers. And these are like movies that I want like what is that Dylan movie kids? I want the Sadek kid, dude. You don't even wanna know. Really do. And that's where it was my boss and my ride sometimes we would not come to work sober leaving that alone and you like pissing shit to the food. No. But come on. We would work in the Cabanas, which was a three retaliate shit. And dude got the fucking rich must be eaten up a hill was where the snack bar was. Right. And it was a thing where we would shit. But we would go there. Completely messed up at like, eight o'clock in the morning jor and get chicken fingers. I still digesting chicken fingers like chicken fingers, French fries. Love cheese hotdogs, everything was a fat kid in. The candy store has delightful shouted up the chowder chatted up the chaff interesting. I also constantly made all of the mixed drinks for myself like the smoothies and shit or and we had one friend who would always come to the movies any get on my line. I knew he wanted like an Oriole thing. And I hated making them for customers. I'd make them for myself all the time. I hated making them for customers. And I'd see this dude on the line. That'd be like. Nope. Just go to another one fucking making it for you. But yeah, oh, just the fucking total abusive that concessions and at all times, I also never got revenge on an ex girlfriend with concessions. That's good. Smarter, donating the pop I don't have stories for either of these totally find dude that's better for it. I'm sorry to Beuys anyone with popcorn busy my eyesight with the mass. I don't even have damn right? That's. What? What? They're beautiful visage butter. Right. I would love to go through life. I've always thought since I was a child you should see the George Romero movie bruiser. I gotta watch that. I haven't seen. But like I was always trying to knocked individuals never wanted. Faith of any. I'm so disturbed a helmet bath, Tom com. It would that be better. That's better. Yes. It's featureless a total helmet. Totally. Total cost you bring a home. All right. Let's get onto the next letter to. Okay, hold on. I'm gonna because we talked about Matt in DC, okay shit. If Matt doesn't have a ticket yet. We're actually doing an east coast tour that's Ryan of April. But Steve is not just an east coast tour colleges. It's an east cage tour get it, right or pay the price. Dude, himself, all nNcholas codes move. We're going to Boston. Boston of Philadelphia New York on twenty second twenty third twenty four th the twenty fifth four days. Four shows all that stuff on the WHM podcast Torah tab, podcast dot com. Tour tab were doing knowing in DC we're doing no we're doing knowing in Boston doing knowing in Boston. We're doing. On sixty seconds, these helping help old treasure in Philly. Your man in New York City that's going to be a big one, man. April twenty second to the twenty fifth. You do want to go to their shows are going, please, please help to show out. Don't sound like fucking Jeb Bush, please help the show. I mean, I'm not everybody in the sixty dollars. That's true. That is true more. Check today. Oh, fuck me. All right. So let's read this letter here prince of Persia in theaters. Hey, guys love the show. Thank you. The prince of Persia episode totally gave me flashbacks to my high school life. When I'd see every genre movie that came out with my dumb ass friends. Fuck I hope they don't hear you saying that. After all this pre MCA you. Well, technically prince of Persia was two thousand ten that first ironman was a two thousand eight a lawyer grabbed him back to lady, by the way. It's all right. I'm just poking fun. It's all right. The longer. It's before we recall at the it was just. Correct superhero. And we figured we need the daybreak book of ally. And of course, the classic scream four to keep Sifi in horror live. I think scream for a good movie. I haven't seen the other two. Writer. Medi. All all all screaming all the book of Eli and scream for the principal. Anyways, my buddy, and I went to see prince of Persia opening weekend at a massive mall multiplex, and we were shocked to find the theater almost totally empty were you shocked. We sat down and watched but through the entire crap fest. Someone behind us kept Scoffing and talking about the movie, and how dumb the stunts looked cut to the end of the show and Jackie fucking Chan walks out of the theater with this visibly annoyed. How bad the Phil. Let's get Mr. and trouble. Moore movie. Jackie Chan is incredible. What have you seen the foreigner yet? Stupid mask him doing taken. Yeah. It's taken. Chris. It's not good. That's a bummer. It like ropes in the troubles. Really? There's some reason for Irish peers. Pierce Brosnan like is like trying Brosnan's instability. A bad guy. Kind of see this movie, man. No. You don't was wondering if something similar had ever happened. It you on your many moviegoing adventures. Thanks for the laughs. Jess in LA. So yeah, I guess a seeing celebs in movies. I've never been to the movies with the celebrity before. You said Joe Schumacher was. I've told before Joel Schumacher, and I saw the last bond movie together, which is a lot of fun. What at the time? Yes. Joel was there Joel. Oh, your buddy. Jo Jo spouse. I recall. I went to the New York premiere of. Fuck gravity. Me and a buddy of ours sitting there watching the movie the whole time someone behind us. Wow. And you're like who the fuck is this ass all lights come up stands up doing the like, I'm putting my jacket on. But I'm also turning around to see what the fuck. This was all about broadcasting legend Regis Philbin makes it was. So fucking funny. How did they get the cameras all the way space? Why is he sitting inside a Chinese spaceship? So George Clooney coming back. Okay. This oh look at crawling around in the mud gross. Why can't I hear anything? But what fucking bothered me though was for this premier. You had to watch the three D, which honestly. Is the only way to watch gravity. I cannot imagine watching it in to television, or whatever I told my brother-in-law's such one time. It was awkward. But I I regret it. The fact that I never actually got to see Regis Philbin wearing three d glasses, which I imagine is pretty hilarious. Have I ever told my Dennis FRANZ story? No, you are now heading you're in one. I went to a press screening of inherent vice I what is shock. Let me guess he didn't get it. Well, it's better than that. But it's always just he's he doesn't have to go to a press screen. This isn't wanna pay for it. Sipowicz God damnit so him and his wife come in. And they're behind me, and my wife, and so it going on. I'm not hearing anything and like I start hearing like roaming. Did like I'm not like at the thirty minute, Mark. When nothing is happening. What keen feelings is smoking. The Jay think it's like him walking out of a car. And then have a lot of that moved. Then is FRANZ just up and says what a crock and gets up and leaves. We stand alleged go for you. That's how you get out of what an idiot is good. But man, I respect for all this is allegedly. But one I can confirm for sure. Okay. Yeah. You can confirm the one that you are telling sure go ahead. Looking idiot. We went to the ant man premier actually a lot of is were actually bench should on the stage, whatever anyway or Michael Douglas gave me a high five it was a down low while he was running up the aisle. Right. And it was one of the best moments. It might have been one of the greatest things I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. I earlier that day to marvel at the time rode the elevator with with both him. I think it was Michael Douglas, and I was just like. Other people. We're talking. Disclosure. It was very clear like nobody's talking to Michael today. Like and that that's fine. I'm not I'm just want to hear from you shoot. What am I what am I gonna? He doesn't wanna hear these. But I just had this phase like. Mike. Away from them. I do have a good elevator story. Real quick was surely another press screening and me and a friend were riding up and Paul Simon got and at the last minute. And that was just like oh the littlest elevator. Reuters. It's me, my friend or just we get up at the thing. And he gets off the the floor before us. Yeah. And I'm not he made like three steps he wasn't even out of the elevator fucking fart in that elevator. And my friend says that fucking Paul Simon. Oh. Oh, do she'll do doors. I also I also ridden elevator with Paul Simon. And he is he's like this. Hang shorter new. Yeah. He's he's significantly shorter than I am. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. Breaking news. Warn, everybody puppet. Poor no. Well, it has gone into position. Now, you have that mask on you, look like someone that watches fucking punctuation. Join me in the revelry and turn your pages to Fe five forty nine puppet. Hey, guys been listening is the BVS episode back in twenty sixteen and I've been a loyal patriotic member ever since it started, by the way patriot. We do a bunch of cool stuff on patriot dot com slash we move. His sure I should watch you read the rest of sentence updated the eight dollar level as soon as I heard about the Seraing. Pails of Seifi. Star wars. And we make fun of you kind of like now the audio is much better than it is coming out of that masks them out you sound like snow. Cry now. After the release of the happy time murder. It Brock bat. It brought back memories of something that happened during my years in Brooklyn college. Brooklyn college, man. Okay. The film department tends to show weird and provocative movies during class one took the cake. Oh, I don't remember the exact class where this happened. But I believe it was about storytelling and films. Aren't they all about storytelling in films? Really when you think about some of those classes are about lighting. Also, this story to stand bracket fungus story there. Dennis Miller over their cigarettes. May babe. Like Maya Darren crossing the Rubicon. If Dennis Miller ever made a Maya Deren joke. I'd fuck and I eat my own ads on the air. I read the syllabus about the movie would be viewing. It was called. Let my puppets. Come nice, come COM, e just FYI guys. I had an official title. I had never heard before. And just expected a wacky puppet. Muppet rebuff. Well, that's not exactly what I got. The professor started the film. I remember seeing three puppet executives tongue needing to make more money pumping. Exotic. With the executives of puppets or pumping executives other that's confusing Rupert Murdoch or puppet, executive, I make puppets dance dance TAC TAC a dates him and his into Jeff Dunham's puppets. Hey akhmed. Make Tucker dent one of them joke to another while the other curse puppet out it continues from there. And then we get an assistant puppet suggests that make a dirty movie he continues to describe a scene involving female, and there's public in the mail. Male patient puppet. A blowjob Haitian puppet that ends with shots that is shot with a shot that we actually see. My jaw dropped it. What I was watching only to realize would get much worse somehow they transition to another scene involving busty female puppet, having sex with the male puppet Jong with full on penetration. Well, here's the there. You want to add puppet. Puppet, public -secutive. You're adding puppet to assisted puppet. Penetration. Sends a lot better than penetration. Those actually the name of my band in high schools puppet issues, not penetration. But the fact that it was a dog. Thought it was going to actually. Dogs is fine by you know, it's not I'm saying, that's what you want to modify with the puppet. So you know that nobody's actually fucking a real dog. Fuck dog puppet. Who this is directed by? Bob cat Goethe with. I remember someone class laughing uncomfortably at that scene. Another female student loudly, shouted what are we watching? This is the thing I have to stop you right here. Please you're in film school. Shut the fuck up. You watch that movie because you don't know what the deal is you watch that fucking movie man, you're there to learn what's going to happen. At the end of Alfred Hitchcock. It's going to come out and tell you what was what? Would popperwitz fucking aren't we all Popper at the end of the day? Aren't we looking for her? I just mean, you're drinking. The program in where you are to learn about films that you're unfamiliar with the push your boundaries and whatnot. Shut the fuck up and say it's terrible when it's over with and you're all going to be making puppet movies. Anyway, we know that's a trend. The professor who was not a puppet puppet. Professor, that's a movie eventually stop the film life. Oh, see this is what I'm talking about the lights went up and the classes in shock many of the many were upset while others just laughed about how and coach will the whole situation was myself included as never able to figure out the importance of showing that film in class. Maybe the professor really liked it or liked but report in general and never saw meet the feebles, and I probably won't. It's used to be like let my puppets come is way worse content than content wise in that fill. It would seem. So from the scenes described. I actually went to go watch the happy time murders at the Alamo draft house only to see let my puppets come there in the beginning. Showcase showing brief clips of that movie. It's influence clearly lives will absolutely has classic. Has there ever been a film you and film class that left you in shock keep up the great work, and I'm working on getting those tickets to your live show in NYC Francesco in Brooklyn, rock and roll, do they hope give chips. Chits going fast. Yeah. Totally question. No because I'm a cool guy. Oh, yeah. I remember. A professor of ours. Made us watch excuse me. Ed, Moore Hodges like thesis film. Not to see is it besieged. I don't remember what it's called the the siege. With the Bruce Willis, the guy wind up going on the direct shadow of the vampire. Gotcha the extract. His like thesis film is this crazy Avangard FANG where it's supposed to be like the God of something. I think is cutting out their own intestines. It's all like, very, very crazy. And it was like shocking, but it was in a class where I was there studying American on guard. So like you. For it. And honestly in that class studying the American cinema really fucking blew my Mellon off Mandla just that class. Professor Greg Taylor after say, remember. Influential teachers I ever had. He's an amazing person. But that it was like that was a whole semester of like. You know what I mean? It was fucking great. I wasn't shouting at the screen. What are we watching your fucking film class? Shut the fuck up. I cannot believe that. I can't believe it. It's called begotten by the God. Yes. Thank you. I remember. I mean, it was shocked in a good way. Because I love the movie, but the first time to sound Machi sweet movie. Oh shit. And all that show. I was like, yeah. Okay. This is new thing for me. I guess well. Yeah. Dussan Makkaveyevo, man. Like, he was another provocateur. Sure. I mean, I was pretty horrified at the opening moments of antichrist's, the LARs one tree or movie. You know? But like these are movies that are designed to provoke you do that kind of thing. Yeah. Sure. That's that's what that is not in a phone class. I and it was one of those classes where is the end of the year, and they showed Batman nineteen Eighty-nine. It was seven years old, and I was fucking terrified because that fucking clown. Freaked me right out that kind of fucked me up dude, did you joker referred to him as the clown, man. Beans. He's the joker that movie. Exactly like a joker of that film. Never Chris cab on a one here. My grandmother is a sociopath. Title movie, by the way are related. Miles from North Carolina here longtime listener proud patriotic member. Thank you, sir. I had a terrifying story to share about watching a movie with my grandparents and finding out. My grandmother has no sympathy for other human beings, by the way, everybody age. She watched Fox News. By the way. I I've read this before a spoiler for anybody. Who's really waiting to see don't breathe the the crappy feed Alvarez movie? Oh, dude. One of the fucking most over hyped harm movies in the last five years. Yes. Yes. Yeah. One of fucking disappoint probably saying the director's name completely wrong, petty Alvarez, no do evil dead. Make that move. Fucking dunk. I recently moved away from my home town to a city about two hours away having been raised by my grandparents always been close to them and try to make a trip down to visit them a few times a month during one of those visits. I noticed they were watching the 2016 horror thriller. Don't breathe. My grandparents watching a horror movie, even at all is mind boggling to borrow line from you Steve saying, you said at a great live show we had many years ago at this point. I literally now have no grandparents left, but I cannot imagine at a time in any of their lives. The ones that I knew in my lifetime to ever watch a harm movie idea of a grandparent, my grandparents, I'm sure like their grandparent horror hounds. That's great cool. Cool cuckoo cuckoo cool. Not my grandparents no way fi. I accidentally watched like twenty five minutes dead alive with my grandmother. Little on the nose. Think. So do you get to that fucking face in the soups? That's when I turned it off a good time. I think it reminded her of the old country. For those unfamiliar with the movie, it's about three friends who break into a house to rob a blind army vet as the movie goes on. We find out that the blind man isn't as innocent as he seems and his volved in kidnapping sexual assault. This like Naric instincts like Eric right now. Get creeper over here. Bruiser bruiser. Oh, that's beautiful. I'm comfortable. I arrived to my grandparents house near the last third of the movie where we discover the blind man's true nature. My grandma is very vocal about her support of the vest. Oh, that's awesome. And her hopes that the three would be the three would be burglars. Get what's coming to them. Oh, yeah. Once the twist is revealed, I expected her to change her tune in cheer for the kids. Nope. Even after the reveal when Dylan Monette when Dylan nets gets shot dead. I hear. From my grandma horrified. I turned to her and ask her if she understood what's going on to which she replied, well, they shouldn't be in his house fair. Fair grandma. Dan, your ground befriend during the climax of the movie when Jane Levy finally makes it out of the house where the blind man can't navigate he releases his gigantic Rottweiler dog after her and chasing sues during all this. My grandmother is saying Ganor. God to which. Which I remember her again this man is not a good guy. I remind her again this man is not a good guy as we saw earlier her response once again, they shouldn't be in the half. Have you guys ever experienced watching movie with someone that was a little too sympathetic to the villain and their 'cause thinks guys keep up the good work miles. That's so fucking a really cool story. Nancy? Yeah. I guess. So like, a relative misunderstanding movie kind of it would be quite well. She had her own reading of it, though us hangs -actly. I don't know. I mean, I feel like my dad's sometimes rooting for John Wayne for all the wrong reasons. Every now, and again, you're like okay at the beginning of the searchers, but not the end of the search. I totally. He called them with Bush. Man up come on, man. No. I don't I've never watched the searches with my father. Yeah. I guess it's a weird thing. I don't really watch movies with my family. Yeah. Not that either. Man, I'm a solo, dude. So will you lease you'd watch movies with his way, we're all the same age kind of thing. Yeah. I don't know. I don't have one for this one. Well, I do find it weird. My sisters will not watch what they call movies where people are dirty, which is like sort sandals movies movies. The physically of dirt physically movies where people are caked in dirt. I'm not gonna watch that. That's quite everyone. Everyone's dirty, which I do understand to a certain extent. But it is a hilarious because you're now you're not watching there. From the Bronx. Hughes due to fuck and six lamb, Steve. If I may do they know that they're not going to be dirty the whole that they're likely going to shower at some point pens, some of those get pretty dirty. Nobody's taking a bath. In prince Persian. What did they they've never watched Shawshank Redemption? Eking out of the house huddle dude to watch dirty movies. Tired of contacts that movie it's dirty. No, it's been heard. Yeah. They they should've troughed discussing Lawrence of Arabia. That's a dirty move. I wonder how far that extends though. Like do. They get disgusted when like as winter comes out of that face fake rhinoceros his asshole at that point. You're invested in the film. But if you're like if you're. The film when it's when nature calls the Phil very specific. Oh, you wanna watch Ted would like really dirty in that? And I get it. It's that's 'cause like, yeah. I actually do kinda get that it won't prevent me from watching something. But it is just kind of like, I gotta watch people that was caked dust. That's why it's great to watch something like wrath, right? That's another phantom threat. Everybody's clean watch that. Yeah. Brush lady who passes out in that dress. She had she was partying a little hard. I think she got some crumbs. Probably some crumbs, dude. You're absolutely right. That is WHM mailbag for the month of what are we now? In March Lord end of March I accidentally hit the title card before we were signing off just so eager to get to the next mail bag, which by the way, if you want to be featured you fucking creep, if you want to be featured on that next mail bag, we all hate movies gmaiLcom, you are freaking me the fuck out. And you have to watch Romero's bruiser, dude, I can't believe you kept on the whole time. There it is. So Eric's creepy mask Steve has sixty dollars. Chris cabinet. I came away with nothing. It's totally by well, new fear of Eric. There's there's that that's actually true guys at the dollar menu. So until next month. I'm Andrew Joop and Stephen sate actress cabin all cliffdale, take it easy. That was a hit gum podcast.

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Looking at My Friends Butthole

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Looking at My Friends Butthole

"What's up guys? Welcome back to the US. The podcast where we're doing this for Verne House today guy. Jason Elliott Hair. Jason Elliott say. Hello guys on a little more live J. I was just so the viewers still another. You're still lack neuro. I'm on vacation this week. This is a chill week. We aren't going to do the podcast finds out we we have one at and there's an opportunity for some money and he goes Chicago own not true not true last night I was on the phone with your mother mother. And you're the one who goes died. We really need to do it and I go. I don't know and then your mother goes. I don't think that's a good idea. She's a avid lesser the Pakistan. What am I saying? Oh yes not good you just get the week talking about losing money on this. PODCAST me too me too for this podcast. I Have Jason here. He's my regular co hosts. You you probably use them by now. And then I've these are my closest and dearest friend the most important person in my life by far like if I was to do a podcast with anybody for fun and no pay they would present. It wouldn't be as good that you think you're better podcasts than Allah. Ah We'll see show you got right now day. Go get on the MIC okay. We want to say I'm kind of nervous genuinely I've never been on a bike. Casto's that was great museum guys what you're going to take to the tunes top of the charts. This guy really on a little respect. My Way David he's likable. He's he's relatable he's young. He's fit all those things fit on. PODCAST it's an audio media. Interests helps me feel more relaxed calm protected by someone's GonNa come in here and yeah like if someone wants to bus into the studio right now I would be taken care of. 'cause Elliot's here was that truly it. Would you take care of UH snipers came in here if snipers came in here. J What are you talking about the small in the world. Why would anybody come in here with a sniper you presented? It did that scenario if I came in here. Yeah snipers for long distance. Yeah whatever why would someone come in with a sniper. Because he missed the first a few times. Now he's GonNa come in and go for the kill you think he's going to protect you also. He missed from far away. You know why he missed. Because I was blocking the bullets my body you are okay. Maybe I had this all around. Okay so maybe choose you as your podcast Coho. Aw God he's better Elliott. Finish this podcast. No so how's Chris by Christmas time. How's it going with you guys? And we had a nice Christmas. We just hung out made some MM had your Christmases. How was it? Mine was great I was I was getting phone calls from you all day on the blog but other than that it was it was one of those bother. You know it doesn't bother me. It's just hard to separate work from kids. That's all once I get into work mode that I come back to the table when I'm like fucking book this flight. And they were all playing this fun game where they were. We're singing. Everyone is having a good time and I just kept calling. I know why DADS leave. And don't pay attention to their kids. That's where you're from Christmas. Yeah 'cause I understand why people in their families. Yeah I got it. Why because it's just so hard to like drop in there and connect? It's so much easier to be like. I got to work later. Oh Yeah so much easier. Yeah yeah that's kind of a battle. Was your Christmas like I worked. Yeah me too. It was the fucking best day to work. 'cause like everybody's doing their own thing so luckily irresponsibilities a fucking hate. Both responsibilities is our work. Yeah you can go to work and no one cares. You can go tell your parents to go screw. I can't do that. My father is looking at me like you only excuse me once a year. And he's like. What are you working on your debit and like you? So he doesn't but you know he's got to put on a good face to make it look like he likes me. Yeah I dunno now I am. Yeah I like the work. The whole working excuses the best. I have a game. We play okay. I totally stole this from Jimmy Fallon okay but I find it really interesting. Someone tells a story and you have to Talavera or not. It's ally okay. Okay Okay you WANNA go first. Sure Okay you you tell me story okay. We'll be the craziest story. You have one time what this is a lie okay. You haven't even fucking let them talk. I just know around. You can't say until he says the story. Can you just be quiet lentil for one time when I was at Prom lion came in eight seven. I have one when when I used to live in Skokie. I had a friend and he was a friend that in the same apartment building as me. So he was locally he lived there all my friends ever is just people that live near me. We would play a Battlefronts Star Wars and Lego Star Wars. That was like our main thing. I'm playstation and one day. He came over. My parents. Were not home. My grandma shoes in the kitchen Chen and we were we were watching TV. I didn't have anything. Hooked up to my thing because I have playstation my tv by like a really old TV and it had like eight channels is on it. We watching a show on facebook or it was on like e bombs world. I don't know if you know bombs. He pulled up e bombs world and it was. It was a picture of a guys. butthole where the coloring around the Butthole look like Jesus Christ like the. There's a little bit of coloring around the look beard. Yeah Yeah not the beard the face the head and the hair fades in and out a little bit right well regardless it looked like Jesus Christ and we thought it was funny so oh I offered to take a picture of of his so we could see what his looks like verify on long short pants down and for instance taking a picture I just started. Why poked at it once and then as a joke I stuck my finger in there and that was it and we just laughed about? Got It but it's out. I mean it's weird now but at the time it was like Supernova who the foot would lie about something true true. Yeah that was a lie ha balanced as holy fuck. You've told other stories that's true. I actually photo. She was them where I took pictures of a naked. That's the truth but But no that was pretty impressive. So yeah that's pretty good when I brought up bombs world. I knew that's where I had. You guys got story constantly feeling your pulse. I'm not no no no no. I'm just I'm looking at David. It's like seeing your resting heart rate as you're looking at me I have a story similar to yours. Okay no so I lived in a in a town. Home has nothing to do with the story but I lived in home burn hills and my friend. I don't even remember his name. We were probably like eight maybe seven it always come over and we would have these like masturbation sessions where we would we would turn on like porn and we laid down on the carpet and we would rub our dicks against the carpet and then eventually come to the porn. Okay lie as I know you all enough where I would. I would have heard the story by now. I feel like I think it's a lie. It's so true what's crazy and I've never. I never buddy. Yeah we would. We would lay down on Dick's rub against the carpet and it had this feeling feeling of fucking somebody when you were eight. Yeah when we were like eight maybe nine we guys on steroids. How could you even no idea but I was a horny? MOTHERFUCKER did shirt. Yeah when I met all here talk about is how he's so good at fucking fuck jackrabbit. I'm so glad that quickly to when he was eleven he said this to you when he was fourteen bows alive. Yeah what was your first sexual experience. Wait no no no. Don't skip this already. I want to talk about his proper fucking days. What kind of a carpet was this was like a thin thin like when I had my living room that has that would make sense softer and has more bristles yes it was like a brisk a like? Oh the packers story but no but like we would like to the carpet literally you know what I mean sideways. No don't flat and I'd fuck it looks like it's not like you know like hip thrusting fucking do it side by side Yeah and who would come. I would win. No we just did it because it was fun because we had nothing else to do. Related is either video games or fucking carpets. Yeah I guess you're right you know so Mario car wasn't I'm doing it for you. Let's go to furniture store and see if they got something new to come on. This is something that interferes with. Your happiness is preventing you from achieving goals. How am on Natalie doing a fucking good job better? How better on my counseling is there for you guys? 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What is it about Oakley? It's recording I. Did you know we recorded last week. And yesterday we finished yesterday finished a movie. I am right and Iliad goes. Yoke can watch clip. Tell me what you think of it and I was like share and I go. What is then? He goes to the PODCASTS. Forty minutes long fucking serious. Texted it to me again when I got home and it was like literally three. AM and he he goes. Hey let me know what you think Smiley face. What the fuck are you? Do you watch it. Fuck no line three and wet the bed now. I went to okay. Fuck your carpet and I wanted to. What is it what is it? What is your podcast about? So it's like an entrepreneurial advice slash interview you think. You're in the position to give advice of entrepreneurship entrepreneurship. Yes got here. We were on our way to Miami and I just signed the papers for my house in Casey Nice. That was like good job. Man Man. This is a big step in your life and Ilya who's drunk on the plane. That was not drunk. He looks he goes. Oh no no no jas folk are you doing. No no do not buy a house. That is the worst thing. Do not believe the hype and I was like what what do you mean. Go buy a house. Like bike on does Nike thank freaked out was supposed to be a happy moment. This is the kind of things you're going to do on your no. No no no. I said invest in property where you move people any you get income. I am investing investing in the proper yet. But you're living at yourself moving okay mechanized anyways. It's an entrepreneurial advice interview podcast about people that have have had ups. Sounds like Borno. You've only done why not needs help in the first episode. I didn't know and help you call in they. They will be calling in you calling in and deeming. It will be like what's up. Everybody's calling her now. I interviewed I interviewed my ex employees on the first podcast fired. Yeah yeah twice interview about which is about like why why rehired him and why I fired him again and I never understood why he got better after I fired him the first I why he never got better. Yeah what did he say on. What's watch the PODCAST? Usually I'll send you. I'll send you say right here. I send you a ten minute bit okay. Just just tell me why. He didn't like it. He didn't improve because he was unmotivated. But my response that was like I don't give a shit how unmotivated you are paying you to do your job. You know what I mean. Maybe I should listen into this to figure out how to talk to Natalie about her job. You should have David. It's it's really good. I will have you guys on. That would be a funny ass pot. Oh my God okay. So what's the name of the podcast. Take notes take notes that I like that a lot jeff. He's my ex employees. Oh He oh he is. Yeah he's my actual goes. He's actually really smart or do you. Just super fucking unmotivated. I hope I can change that. That's great team on the PODCAST. Yeah when he comes back in January. Yeah I'm on coming back January. He didn't tell you. This told me Ooh let me know fucker. By the way demons doing great very serious I heard he got his first GIG. I got him a GIG. Dj Call Mo night in L. A.. And it's pretty popular so he's GonNa DJ. They're turning over a new leaf in two thousand twenty. I don't know if you're willing to take notes can give me some advice. What are you doing? I'm going to start no more night-time stuff. You're you're so we're gonNA look at me. I'm going to be in bed every night. My man my fucking man. Yeah and then work out two hours out of the day yes and then I worked till I don't know and then I go to bed. I don't know how the Fuck David operates on a day to day world lows my fucking like literally going to bed. Well the videos are like are like a drug for him they really use. Keep them going. You know it's in snow. It's like really insane lane for me to I'd get up and David still be like out somewhere like doing it gets up. And tycoon facetime. And when he's getting up when I'm going to bet it's actually really funny. It's almost like we're in different countries. Different countries yeah and whenever I fly. La fucking come back. And I feel like I had jetlag can crazy easy When I'm with David sometimes I push through to this point where I'm like not tired anymore than the next day? I'm like Oh fuck yeah. I can't believe I did that. You had abed crazy time guys new podcast coming. What is the podcast called take notes? It's cutting out. Why is that funny? It's because I it's a fucking good name because because I know your thought process when you come up with names and it's just like what is it. What's the fucking? What does this go through like thirty or no not true? That came on top of my head immediately. Imagine you're coming up with the name. Take notes interesting. Yeah yeah taking us right good name. I'll take notes about Him starting a business and interviewing other entrepreneurs. Do you have any more crazy stories. It's like they've never told me about. It wasn't really the craziest place you've ever had sack other than your parents. Living Room on the carpet and the Lazy River at the Vernon Hills public pool. You get off walk out of here after hours. Yeah like we like. We like all jump the fence you might have been there might have been you. It might have jumped. The fence dates sex with water. Why do people like that our work? Now how does that work. My friend had sex in a hot tub once and he got a uti Ti and is dig. Blew up in a cherry tomato. No great you've also like pressure around as the problem is the venture it goes inside your whole and I think that's a foxy right isn't that isn't that. How are you guys happening here? One way they can. Yeah Yeah and then. It's a really uncomfortable. Feeling additional lubrication the water water is the water's there's not lubricate. It's not soapy water. Hold on stop it. What happened? What happened where you had sex with this person as your time right? Yeah it was my girlfriend at the time so we all went on Saturday night and we were like seventeen eighteen at the time so we decided to jump the public pool fence to go until the Lazy River. Sure it's really right by at my house. I know exactly where it is right so we jumped into the lazy river and while everybody was doing we decided to have sex. Whose idea was it? Data remember and it was like it was under water. Yeah so no one saw people saw or they're like Oh my God. They're having sex night so I was just our friends and they were like yeah. They were having sex. I mean everybody know and did you like finish. Yeah was the guy. Doesn't that fucking crazy. It's so gross. It's really gross. But we also like really it really young and dumb what was better the Lazy River. Your friends corporate. I really sexual buck. Is they've been really sexually have. We should turn it back. I don't have any sexual story so we're good here really as a fucking. What was your favorite time? You've ever masturbate awesome house looking at this guy's butthole in Skokie it right on. Oh I saw a good point in the other day fuck on to tell you about it yet. Known it's like real create. I feel that's the thing to do though. Only when they're real creative Jason and I are not sure you porn right and I was like dude. Yeah using taxing you I I was like that's kind of weird. You text him poor now. Text each other over sending him a video and I'm saying like I'll tell him about a porn. I saw that I saw funny I'm finding one was like valme having sex with scooby. Yeah and people dressed up in costume and there was like Scooby Doo but they were having sex and then there was one that like flintstones having sex so funny we were supposed to tone this down. This is really funny Jason. I went to today and I know the woman that worked the counter he goes. It was awful she goes. Oh you're here by yourself. Today goes Ah What am I chopped liver. And she goes oh no sorry I didn't. He's just usually with a bunch of younger people Well Jason Goes Yeah. That's the story of my life. And then she goes. I saw you the data go an hour like the power of the weird's power. We're like Tallus Alice woman she he's not no. No David Goes Sugar Daddy. How do you explain to somebody that no we we work together and say that's all you gotta say to get? That sounds more suspicious so I'd rather go. Yeah I'm fucking him like I'd rather just say it then. Why is it suspicious rushes? Delia works with guys. Who are in their forties know? Jas David ever tell you when you guys first started hanging out. David would call me and he'd be like hey I'm the solar dude cool if we bring him to the Party holiday all and you have so because you know what on on on the surface he never made me feel once like because I would say it'd be like are you sure it's okay totally fine. No problem remained friends. I'd never want to situation where it's weird so yes I would always check ahead of the time. Just lie to me. It's like it's like we say that. Go Yeah I had to call and ask. Don't be like everyone can't wait to meet. You know it. It's kind of like when you have like a service dog with you and you have and you have to call the restaurant. It'd be like any come with me. He's just just sits by my side. He won't bark. It's kind of like that but no everyone. There's never anybody that was weirded out by. Yeah cool bring them by but it is. It's the craziest thing like when we were in our friend. Knicks basement. Yes I remember that and sa- craziest thing to be hanging out with a bunch of kids in my high school or you're sitting in the living room watching TV like with the parents guide is like you're watching with the parents two hours just talking about stuff right and then I come up op and I go Jason. You ready to go as you play doctor and his parents and then I got to have that awkward break with the parents uh-huh because we're going to go. Now I gotta go hang out with the kids going out which is still there now until three in the morning insane chemistry. It's such a unique relationship. Thank you David that no really values we have you ever seen. Have you ever seen a relationship like that where it's like you guys twenty five years apart. We're actually twenty three years apart out of that the twenty two years yeah. It's pretty nursing early strip like that but I mean it's like trying to think it's pretty I look for it all the time on TV. I look for older guys and younger guys that are together report up. Search the older guy with younger. I do look for their dive off. Your ought double person. Hey if anybody remakes poor now clear David Jason Porn. Why God Dalby Sick but put a black hat on the guy they have have they said? Hey you WANNA make a actually scratch that. I probably should get up to the whole thing. I have you tied up on a wall. No we do have an interesting relationship. Yeah Yeah it's a lot of fun but yes at first. They take a little bit to convince people that I bet. I feel horrible when you would invite Avenue Chicago. I'd be like I don't want to go there. I don't WanNa go hang out with your high school for it and not that. I didn't want them like the data warm either. Now it's great people ask for you. That's nice nap. Apple Goes Jason Communist. Jason Coming and I go I go yeah go fuck then God. Your friends are really special now. Have you been naughty or nice this year. 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I was like real macho kind of guy and then he came over to me and he got me alone and he just goes. Hey what's going on with David and Natalie Dayton and that and I'm like nothing. There's no deal their friends. Come on when you be Mr Gospel Aw yes and then. He brought up New Year's and they said last year took my kids to see with Josie Wa to a queen cover band which I thought was a really nice thing to do as a dad and then I asked the kids and I was like. Wasn't that fun that I did that. And they're like yeah. It was okay. I was like fuck off. I skipped New Year's for you guys finally for those little shits. AH coming out with US more videos. So Elliott's I said it's on the podcast the last week but the other day I was leaving my room and I heard something in the in the closet like I heard something like that in the closet and I turned around to go see what it was and I stopped myself and I was like fuck it. I'm not GonNa go see what it is in case case it's me from the future arriving thick something in my present life. I didn't WanNa meet myself and run into myself and ruin my my futures mission so just kept walking and ignored what was in what was in the closet. I WANNA know if you've ever had a situation like that. I can't wait to see how you react to this story. Now I mean I've never had this situation -tuation before I never actually thought about it like that but I love that. Like futuristic travel universe. Shit I fucking Love Dude. I was up until Dory is the best friend I was up until three a m the other night just like looking at what is at the end. What's after the universe? What happens this conversation? It's like no no no. Yeah that's happened no one I know nobody knows but like the bottom line is we will never know. Can't comprehend the answer because the dancers there there has to be answering sure. We're not smart enough to understand that. Yeah I mean it's like you know it's like you can't teach the dog rocket science right. It's a it's a can't do it. Even though dogs pretty smart thinking about it this is somebody told me this the other day were RDA versus and apes DNA is three percent percent higher. Just three percent or three percent off. I think that's true. Well we're pretty good podcast for bullshit fact so that'd be bad ad if that's true thing about how much more we know than them like how much more we can comprehend to. Did you think Do you believe in dinosaurs. Oh Aw yeah I like daughter source. I can't believe they were all wiped out. It's bullshit wait. Hold on. Continue sorry about the time. What are the chances of all being wiped out? Aw well priest looking lizards still have lizards dinosaur and dinosaurs. Yeah I mean if there was dinosaurs walking around they'd be wiped out out even if they were lived in the forest. You know like you know like we don't see like tigers and stuff yeah tyrannosaurus. REX wouldn't yeah. Yeah no you'd see it. No fucking trees. Think there'd be tyrannosaurus rex and Chicago running around walking by best buy like once a month. Once a month it'd be like beyond the news tyrannosaurus rex while Bash. Yeah like it's like a T. Rex Erection he wrecks snuck into into a guys watch out. It's T. REX migration season walking through Chicago. A everyone's in their homes. I don't know what do you think life would be like dinosaurs around now. Ma- maybe maybe they'd be domesticated you know like pterodactyl yeah it'd be sick and then you take it away from you take away from your license for you to get some meetings so quickly as if he's just landed on top of the WMU building and then pick pick me up. And what do you make of this jetpack stuff. I don't know I think it'll go anywhere. They people have it one day like use it. I think so pretty interesting jet. Yeah well you could get your bags. Flying cars would come before jet packs. No okay you know what. I don't get why this is what I don't understand Nothing I don't understand how any world there's ever going to be self driving cars. Could someone explain this to me. Like I don't know I don't know I. I know you can't explain it to me but like do you think that there's going to be a time. The cars are driving by themselves. Coming in that thing here because it just doesn't make sense to me like it doesn't. I don't understand how a car can possibly Li like a guy throws a fucking beer bottle out the window right and like like like something runs in the middle of the road. There's a cone in the middle. That's not supposed to be there right like. How is the car going to know this cold? Is this supposed to be there or this. Cone is supposed to be there like. How's IT supposed to make like house supposed infer things that human piece together? Do you know what I mean. I mean you can sense that the code is coming up. I understand that. Let's say you see a cone in the middle the highway. I duNno if somebody throws a beer bottle out going to do the same thing whether there's a car there's a human in there or if the car is operating by itself right. I can't the reaction time it'd be the same just like somebody better have a better. What if you see this is a very very slow drive so much? It's a very specific situation. What if you see you're driving down and you see ten teenage boys on the side with a with a basketball and they're ready to throw at your car right bright right? I see it where had time I go. I'M GONNA fuck it stop but the car does not see that does not see that these boys are planning to damage your car. Way Mischievous look in their eyes. So what does it do their. You're sleeping in your car because of a long road trip and I get hit by a basketball and you could avoid it. If you were up basketball hits. The Guard bounces. This is up. I know it's a very specific situation but like like things like road rage. Like how do you see your point. How count for other people on the road? That are thinking different things i. I don't think that it would ever be possible unless everybody had a self driving car unless everybody would have to have a self driving car and yeah I'll have to be hooked up to the system. That's the only way I could see a working. And and then you still have like the outside variables like somebody throwing something at your car or something randomly winning now. What about these numbers? That are gonNA take over soon that you can just get in your self driving. Yeah cash that's creating what he's making the Tesla Right. What it plans to do with the Tesla? What when you're when you're not using your car you can rent it out or something right? No when you're not using your car it'll leave your house. Pick up somebody drop them off and it'll come back by the time you wake up. Okay you make like sixty thousand a year something like that. Yeah he says you'll be able to make a serious income income from your car being an uber by itself. Let me sick too far out though. Is it feel like it would be stuff. I think people say stuff's far out and then all of a sudden I had a son Onuma the hand. Yeah I don't think any of these four hundred. Everything is right around the corner. I think yours are right around the corner like for specific diseases. Yeah I think I think flying cars I I think that shows right around the corner because look at all the progress we made in just the last ten twenty years cures are weird though because of the drug companies are curious. Yeah people just well. They won't released right we. We went to Saturday night Yulia. He's going to Chicago right and both assistance are gone so he said a consumer taking the airport. I said I'll take you to the airport. You know just to be like Nice Guy. Whatever so when the airport in many ways we got stuck and then he he was like yelling at me the whole time? He's going honestly going this late. I can't that's illegal and then finally this left lane opened up which was legal but I would have to go out in the left lane speed for a while and then cut all the way back into the right but I said okay. I'll do it so I went into the left lane and I go in the left lane and then we start to move after being in traffic for like forty five minutes. 'cause you really thought is going to miss his flight and he goes he goes yes yes j Yes j yes and it was the only time in my entire ship that I heard him will be excited about that. Yeah it was the only time someone strapped I I did. I did cut a lot of traffic and then I come back into the Rear Quebec Quebecer for these people. Go go go go keep going and then I cut back in and then turns out we were because everyone was picking up and we were going to the party. Yeah once we got to depart good. They fucked on everybody. That was arriving because no one was departing. That was the problem I I was so sad and my call them big Fat Daddy Cock Jason. Yeah he got me that I was like Fuck Your Big Fat Daddy Cock Jason. That's how pumped Iowa that's the reason that David doesn't let anybody fucking Dr. Oh I do too more time see driver I sit in the front seat. A half the draw. I hate when people drive my car just anybody. I don't feel safe. You don't feel if you're the worst driver. Best fucking Dr Ya. Yeah Okay if you're on the bus driver at indy. Five hundred listen Taisei Sunday. Sure you're the best driver. Great I think I think also great driver but I think that's just what kids say. No I think that's what Dom January the I think that's a Dunkin say again an accident that brutal your hurts them. I genuinely think that you say that. I'm yes because I I think it's something about feeling immortal and like I'm going to go ahead and I won't be the one on the accident. The truth is if you keep driving recklessly gave no no no. Here's a it's a throw down here. Here's the thing I mean. We we think the same way and we both think that. There's no way we're going to get next to you when you are driving fast and recklessly okay sir. Do you look at everyone on the road. And and do you go to yourself. Nobody sees me like internally. Are you thinking that you're invisible now. I think that and I think that's why I'm GonNa get driver because I'm going says I'm going with you know I'm going okay. He can't see me coming fast so I have to look out for him to yeah not mean yes of course and you make make such a stink about driving and your worst driver you literally all the time now. I don't have in past couple the last last week. I got into accidents accidents last week. Yeah what going slow. Yeah hit some guys mirror. Why not paying attention? When you draw no I am? I was totally paying attention. I lose glazed over. I wasn't even touching the navigation. I just listened to the sense. You just said no no no I am totally paying attention. I just glazed over. No I've seen like I wasn't on my phone. No I'm not saying you're on your phone on your phone in any situation is being fucking more. Our just glazed over and just hit it. Yeah and then the other time I the day I hit Jason Tesla. But I don't WanNa get into that because that's a serious argument. His car is fine but you know I do think that we should drive more responsibly. Especially on my motorcycle yeah. It's all another story you've a motorcycle. Oh Yeah it's fucking get rid of it no literally take throat guard motorcycle and steal it throw it out. I'll be so happy I wouldn't go by because I don't want to do that. Take you don't want it. I'd love it but I don't want it because so fucking dangerous so uh-huh dangerous so so dangerous and you don't even realize how dangerous it is. I don't even wear a helmet. I don't wear anything. I don't even know what I mean scenario. Is you break a leg. worst-case scenarios is your. Paralysed or your dad. Who are these people that do these guys? We'd like. You just talk about dying just like you're gonNA know I'd rather die. You say all the time. Oh I'll die today. Hey David says all the time. I wouldn't care if I died. Yeah deal I'm curious about you know it's not bullshit. I wish I wish I could prove it to you. It's a very selfish way of thinking about because you have to understand people around you one hundred percent people but it was up to me. I don't care about myself it's like my mama worried about the problem. It's like you have really good. Lives really good not only. Are you like young really good-looking. No not only really are you are. You are young. We're both accessible and you will at a young age. I can't believe you're so flip it as your life. What didn't flip it? What are you with your lives i? Just I don't think and this is me being honest. I drive a motorcycle without a helmet. That's stupid. Why hate that is because you could get an accident your fucking paralyzed and then you're fucked right then? I'm not sure I can and asked him with a motorcycle. Helmet a helmet on going eighty miles an hour or one hundred and I would die regardless it doesn't matter Hamill will not see me. There's a good chance that you'll live. That's okay listen anyway. What I'm saying? I know this every time we talk about this. You'd think that I'm like putting some kind of showers some act but like I don't think dying. Is this fucking horrible thing that everyone makes it out to be like almost sounds. It's crazy that you think death is such a bad thing doesn't make sense to measure so young. But how could you say that you've won't think this way never never died never died no listed saying like like about James. I've also never dies so I can't be arguing greatest thing but I also don't think like this is all so fucking crazy crazy like look at everything that's happening here like. None of that makes sense. So how can you already like rule out death. As the worst thing I think death would be fucking awesome because you. That's that's pushing the Dow you find out what the fuck is going on. I I don't think death is awesome and I don't think it's I. I just think it's I just think it's bad I. I don't think it's anything that you should be scared of. And I don't think it's anything that you WanNa Barrow Away Your Life but what is that. What does that mean you dial when they don't know what that means this life that you have been so blessed with like you just WanNa throw it away? You don't care I'm not saying bullshit that saying I want to die. Jane haven't haven't thought about it and I'm not saying I WANNA die if I don't saying you did but you're you're talking like I don't know I'm not raising sorry. I used to me the same way when I was young. Man could do was to deal. Maybe that's like a young person's ego alien driving about how he thinks he's the best. Exactly that's what it is. That's what it is but that's my reality right now right so I can't. I can't tell you anything. Our fucking shaking off. Come out of this reality. It's a bad way to think okay. Listen there's the people around you that care about you. What will natalie do? Well why Charlie do more doing the head. I'm not saying I wanted to. I'm just saying I know you're not. I'm just saying that. I don't know like what happens when you die. Let's not get into the no. Don't just fucking say 'cause I love when you say well. Are you going to go to war. You know that to be true. Green also has a different head thinking what happens when you die. What do you think happens when you die lights out? Okay what happened. Where do you go nowhere your soul? You're that's actually what you think. Yeah so that's it. He thinks when you die it's gone and darkness. Nephew don't exist anymore in any way. Don't even know that you don't exist. Furniture taste just like when you're asleep. What do you think I don't know I I let me attack? roker that is crazy. Luck you for being me into. You're saying this on the PODCAST when you know we've been down this radio. I just think it's so insane okay. Don't win saying okay. We've discussed we had a conversation. It's just what I think. I respect your opinion but you respect by why why I think it's why I think it's insane I do. I do and I know what you're GONNA say. Yeah you're GonNa say if all this is possible then why isn't an afterlife possible Viggo okay. Great and which isn't totally true. I don't know you're right. You asked me what I thought I fucking told you just surprise after a couple of months I haven't changed your mind. What do you think happens you die? I don't know what I'd like to think. Is We figure everything out like from from our past and and what our future is going to be and then you get like a reincarnated into somebody and you don't remember anything all over again. Sure see Elliot could've Iliad so that's the same thing as me. Basically Elliott Elliott could have been like I think you turn into a twix bar said. Can you turn into Milky Way or or a hershey kiss and as crazy as I would have sounded it makes sense. Because there's no fucking way you know what I mean. There's no way of talk so you're right Jason. I'm right I think the exact same thing. I'm sure it's just that when the lights go out for me. They're out and I don't know that I've been reincarnating green card into fucking Perry. This is the most points conversation in the world because all it is is an yeah you can never prove it to be fact until somebody has to stop driving fast but yes but to put an end to that. I do think that my way of thinking about death is super juvenile. I'm just young and I haven't experienced deeper emotions like you have where I'm just not. I just haven't gotten there yet. I think that's the reason I'm thinking the way I think about her. Sure but that is my reality. Currently let's make a pack of Dr Under one hundred. I always try a man. I met David I was like Whoa. This guy's crazy and then I met you and he's actually calmed down a lot. I drive I drive. Pretty pretty slow down because he always carleen Aaron in the back and I feel like he's like being in a big difference. Yeah when I'm alone when I've people in the background people. My car tried to drive a lot slower currently near untold. Play that speed stuff. No they don't Mike at all. Yeah some people like like really got mad at me. Okay sorry sorry guys for that. Pointless argument perplexed Dave the other day he was like really upset about something and and I said actually pulled out these tool phrases and I said well you know one hand washes the other and he was like what what the fuck. What the fuck are you saying? The I know what you're saying means something to me. That's a higher responded at all you said hand washes the other and I looked at you and I was like. Oh what does that mean now. You have set no. I really liked it. I liked it from the second I love. I love your phrases. That's low you do use them all the time good. My favorite one is l.. Have you ever heard this phrase a bird in a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush. No that's my favorite phrase Sagan. A bird in the hand is better than who in the Bush. Thank you caught the bird. The best basically sorta funny basically the saying the saying is okay. Let's say let's say this. Let's say I want to. Let's say I want on a shoe with Kylie Jenner. And she's free today and she's like okay. I could chew with you but I go way. I'd rather shoe with Kylie when we're doing the science experiment on Saturday us else. You don't take the opportunity now. The thing is burning the hand. You already have Kylie. She's free. Why would you wait to get to in the Bush chance? You won't catch those breaks. I can't pretend to even though that there may be something better around the corner like you never know. Just take it now while you have a chance. I love that kind of this podcast. You guys were like hey come by. You can show your podcasts out. And I was like I don't know right and you guys like no. Just come by my right hand kind of no. That's exactly what originally I was like. I'll just do it later. Right guys this all the time we have for this podcast. Thank you guys for listening. I'm Jason the Elliott. Go check earliest. Podcast it's called to idiots talk. What is it called? Take notes take note called take notes. Check that out. We'll see that soon follows on instagram. Twitter would air all that thing. Go Buy some march later. Jeff Bye bye.

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Secrets at the Sunshine Motel

Dateline NBC

44:27 min | 5 months ago

Secrets at the Sunshine Motel

"I just felt confused just in disbelief kind of out of body. Almost how could you do something like that? Why he talked about how scary was that something could happen to him. He was afraid for his life. Dead men tell no towns but this one left a trail of clues. I've never seen my dad that way before. He has never shown me. Fear of anything patriarch powerbroker. He was head of a family company. The business was real estate and someone was bound to make a killing. Never dropped anything like that would happen. Murdered House he was selling. Was this deal gone bad? We just had some bizarre things happening in the office or maybe bad blood at home. My son texted me that he was scared and he wanted me to come pick him up. Danger was out there soon. Erez arrests rats arrest arrest after arrest and twist after twist. Nice your blood boil. It's beyond my comprehension. She was the flame. She was the ignition. It was a perfect storm. I'm Lester Holt. And this is dateline. Here's Josh Mankiewicz with secrets at the Sunshine Motel. It's the pulse pounding start to a heart wrenching. Dale Police officer wearing a body camera running to face who knows what medical man down a room awash in blood in here that would be the first of many questions and the starting line of a race for survival drama. This was a mystery that more than once would appear to be solved here in this sleepy town. In the end there were more twists than in the river that runs through it. The ripples and attis withhold some disturbing secrets about family about France about who will betray you. Who Won't just a little more than two hours from soggy Seattle Sits Yakima valley where orchards and vineyards flourish the abundant sunshine of south central Washington. And it was just outside Yakima on a Saturday in May two thousand thirteen. The field was meteor father-in-law. I had sent him some messages early in the morning asking if I could borrow his truck because I wanted to go to a nursery. And he's like why I'm going to be out there anyway showing a house so I can just meet you. There cures filed or in law. Vert Holbrooke was one of the best known and best selling realtors in this part of Washington. State the meet time at the nursery was set. Eleven fifteen am. I sent him a message when I got there. And he said clients running late. Just got here. See you in a bit in about thirty minutes later. I sent him a message and said that I was done and I didn't hear anything goes by two hours. Yeah I did and I thought well no. I don't want to interrupt him if he's with a client. Do I regret that every second? Yeah I do so tear a turn toward home editor husband. Vern Steps Andrew. When she got home she said you know. It's really weird. Your Dad never showed up and I just told her you know he probably just got tied up in a deal. In Verne's kids were used to this behavior. He worked more than sixty hours a week every week because he enjoyed it he wanted to help. People find a home. Version was not only the founder and owner of the family. Business Aspen real estate. He was also the patriarch of a large blended family that included Stepson Andrew. His wife Tara and their children he was the leader of the family. Everyone looked up to him along with stepson chant. I think he worked as long as he did because he enjoyed it. And use a real Social Guy Shannon his wife. Jill gave vern three grandchildren. He was a wonderful dad. Wonderful GRANDPA HEY on about burn. Jill celebrating adverts seventy fifth. Birthday Party remembers him as a constant presence the anchor ever present for his grandkids and great grandkids on Christmas morning or their birth dates. He's always been the stability of the family in fact when Jill's marriage to Chad ended after nine years. Verne was still there for them. Vern helped out with essentials for the kids help Jill out with a job and more. That's the kind of man he wants. He helps anybody out in doesn't matter who they are big heart you chart and using that huge heart to help family members or clients was what seemed to keep vern young. After Andrew's mom died in two thousand seven. Vern eventually remarried and kept moving whether he was catching fish. Closing deals using Jean Verne had tried to slow down even selling his company in two thousand eight to an ambitious young agent who Verna trained and taken under his wing Daniel Blizzard who was buying the business with his two brothers that appeal of Daniel and his brothers was that it would still be a family and local business as opposed to becoming a chain. Couldn't stop selling. He kept wanting to retire. It would get pushed back because he was living hand to mouth. He had no money because he loved it. He liked being the best at it so on that Saturday in May when Verne missed his meeting with Tara Andrews simply dismissed it as vern being vern until tarum got a phone call that night from Chan. And he's like. Have you heard from burns? Something's wrong he's in the hospital or something? You gotta go check and then I like instantly. I'm worried is a physician's assistant in new Memorial Hospital. Well she was pointed to the EON. Were a nurse delivered the devastating news. She proceeded to tell me that he had been beaten and his throat was slashed and that they were getting ready to airlift him to harborview in Seattle happened. She soon learned at the House Vernon showing to clients. That's whatever it hadn't shown up to meet her that morning. I walked up to the head of the bed and just so swollen and disfigured and I went down to the foot of the bed and is feet were sticking out. That's what looked like him. The rest of him was not that is not the version that I know. Wouldn't you figure that happen? I I wasn't sure at that point. Film Ruins. She was hysterically crying and she told me that my dad had been attacked and I was in disbelief too. I didn't think that it was real at first but it was vern. Holbrook's life was dangling by a threat. He turned out to be the proof that you can be both beloved and still have mortal enemies enemies. Who might they be when we come back? Certain texted me that he was scared on entire family frightened. Enter a mystery woman with a secret. And it was a doozy. Anybody bring their kids to a murder. This is the first free what began as a sunny Saturday in Yakima ended for Verne. Holbrook's family in an all night. Vigil at this Trauma Center in Seattle. They've gathered quickly at Verne's bedside after hearing he'd been badly beaten his throat slashed. Apparently a house he was showing real estate clients. What were you told about his condition and his prognosis and they were worried about how much air he was getting to his brain. The Verne that we all loved died that day burns. Former daughter-in-law Jill remembers hearing of the attack and how it frightened the entire family. My son texted me. That GRANDPA was attacked and that he was scared and he wanted me to come pick him up and the task of quieting the family's fears and finding out who would attack Verne was now in the hands of Sam. Peralte who at the time was a Yakima County sheriff's detective. Did you never I knew of him. He was just known to be one of the big movers and shakers. In the real estate industry and the ACKNOWLE Valley. The detective had been called to the house where vern was found that Saturday night. He'd heard from the responding officer the one who wore this body camera and captured these scenes from the moment he arrived just before eight pm that a colleague had gone looking for work. Bruins wife had become worried that he didn't return from the show. The colleague found in here lying in a pool of blood at this rural home near the small town of Cow Itchy. The last people talk to earn around eleven fifteen and so we could surmise that. He had likely been attacked sometime around noon so he been lying there. For what seven or eight hours? Yes not a whole lot of evidence to go off at the beginning. No Verne's truck still parked outside offered little. His Wallet was in there with his. Id and his credit cards so presumably not robbery right in fact as police inventory the C. Only one thing seemed to be missing telephone. That's what it looks like this. But Verne's missing cell phone didn't hinder the investigation within hours. The detective had burns phone records in hand. And you go to. What the last person to call him. I was able to see the the last number that connected. Yes call that number. I did and I left a message. Just asking for a return. Call who that phone number. Come back to. Adriana Mendez was the name attached to the account the detective sooner that Adriana Mendez was a twenty three year old mother of three with a minor criminal record for misdemeanor assault living with her kids in Yakima at the Sunshine Motel the next day Adriana Mendez called back. We appreciate you coming Dyer today and agreed to meet with detectives. He needs to take so long in China to offer. She seemed excited and nervous. Talk and fast. Adriana admitted calling burnt twice the day of the attack. She said she wanted to talk to him about selling a mobile home but he couldn't see her. Tell you that he was visiting China House. So records confirmed Adrian is calls to burn but it was something else that convinced the detective. The Adriana wasn't telling the truth she insisted she never left. Yakima that day until but phone records. Don't lie people who forget about them and the detective had maps showing Adriana had made the last call to learn from the same rural area where the attack took place so she was pretty close to him when that call was mad yes determined the truth over the next several hours. Adriana story changed again and again until she gave it up. She admitted meeting with. Vern said it was the idea over boyfriend Luiz. She told a story backed up by surveillance tape from the Sunshine Motel of Louis Picking Up Adriana and her three small children that morning at ten forty five. She told detectives they drove to the House. In Cow Itchy met with her and while the kids waited in the car she louise went inside with burned to view the house and in the back bedroom. Jane you saw him vern smoking corner by last. I saw you didn't walk back in there to see what was going on. Adriana said Louise came out moments later they tossed ver- and cell phone out the car window on the way home before Louise's delivered Adriana and her three kids back to the sunshine motel again confirmed on video by twelve thirty one PM to the detective. It was obvious this has been a plot to set up a meeting with Verne with the sole purpose of killing him. They were seen anybody bring their kids to a murder. No this is a first for me is probable cause to think that you are an accomplice. And that's why you're in arrest within hours. Detectives had Adriana Boyfriend in custody as well through an interpreter. Luis Gomez Magas also initially told a STORY ABOUT ADRIANA CONTACTING. Vern the cell a mobile home. That's you're you're telling me lies. Injury started off telling me the same lies. She said that you hit the guy from behind when he wasn't even looking. Think that your story is GonNa you're under arrest for the attempted murder in Holbrook. Detectives were convinced. They had the two people who attacked firm that Saturday in May but they also knew or thought they knew there was a lot more of the story. These suspects certainly weren't trained hired. Assassins were so clumsy. They'd even use their own phone. But where would this lead? Why would to people who never met? Verne? Holbrooke WANNA kill him coming up the bells and whistles definitely start going off a trail of clues security video text messages a secret code once vern worth more dead than alive all of a sudden. I saw that he was fearful of his life when dateline continues. Hey everyone it's mainly MSNBC correspondent and host of new podcast into America. What happens if you're one of the more than two million Americans sitting behind bars as Doronin by response this week? I talked to a Colorado woman who is struggling to remain in contact with her incarcerated husband. Being the way that I don't know what's going on I don't know is he. Okay Hey is he sick. 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He's doing the best they can for the country because willing constantly doesn't mean that we should lose to you can find new episodes of into America and your feet every Thursday to subscribe search into America wherever. You're listening right now to in a Seattle Hospital for Holbrooke in that gray area between life and death in the week after he was savagely beaten his throat slit during a routine real-estate showing in May of two thousand thirteen detectives had quickly made two arrests charged with attempted murder. Thirty eight year old. Louis Gomez Mangas. Who denied any part in the attack? It is twenty three year old girlfriend Adriana Mendez who admitted luring Verne to the meeting at Louise's request and then witnessing Louise Assault vern. She said she had no idea why Lewis would do that. You believe that no and why did perol not believe Adriana told me so busy because in that same interview she had also. Unwittingly dropped a bombshell. When asked how out of all the dozens of realtors in Yakima? She just happened to call. Verne's company Aspen Real Estate Kabila people as you wait. There was that Do what goes through your mind when she says that the bells and whistles definitely start going off bells and whistles because after Verne had been assaulted his family had flooded detectives with calls so he started thinking to yourselves. Who'd want to hurt him purse? Stamos Daniel Blizzard Daniel Blizzard. That ambitious agent to whom Verne was going to sell the company. Someone Verne had once trust it. Did you think Daniel's well yeah I was pretty sure why with zero proof? So many believe blizzard was behind the attack. Detective Perol sued heard a story that went like this in the fall of two thousand eight version called employees like bookkeeper. Judy Craven to a meeting. He was selling the company I think he wanted to spend more time with his family. And just focus on the selling part not deal with that day to day managing no longer a rumor said this email to announce the sale verne was selling Aspen to Daniel Blizzard. And his two brothers vern would stay on as the designated broker for one year vern held a barbecue and took this photo with the blizzard family to cement. The new relationship with the deal went south quickly. They made the first three payments and then they just stopped. It was the height of the great recession. Real estate was taking Verne was understanding but then the blizzards approached vern with a request. They asked my dad to take out what's called a key. Man Life Insurance policy him being the key person or the key man in the organization because aspirin real is. That really was just your Dad at absolutely West my dad. It made good financial sense. At the time Burns. Death would cripple the company so the life insurance policy would pay one point. Five eight million dollars upon death ver knew they were taking that policy out on that he was comfortable with that. I wouldn't say he was comfortable with it. The blizzards never missed a payment on the life insurance but they never made another payment on the business so in January two thousand Tan just sixteen months after selling the company. Verne sent out another email to staff. This time to say Daniel is no longer with Aspen. Real estate firm was taking back the company he'd built. It's like if you can't make your payments you can't keep it so I think you know he had to. There were complaints filed with the real estate board lawsuits countersuits at all the while. That life insurance policy seemed to weigh on Verne's mind he went to the life insurance company and he asked him to remove it. No one in that company would remove the policy because WHO's paying the premiums that's correct and all the sudden. I saw that he was fearful of his life to detective per all. This all added up to motive one point five eight million reasons the Daniel Blizzard might want vern Holbrooke debt. But what was the link between Daniel and Adriana Louise? I'm using the holy grail. At this point in the investigation would be defined provable contact between Daniel Blizzard and Adriana Mendez. Write it down. The Holy Grail was only a few blocks away at the Sunshine Motel. I went to the motel and they told me that big white guy would come in occasionally and pay Adrian rent for so you get the security video right and who is standard there. He was a week before the attack. Blizzard Adriana is bill at the Sunshine Motel and parole soon found more text messages between Adriana and Daniel from the day. Verne was attacked nine. Twenty four am Daniel Texts Adriana. Don't be late for shopping. What's going on there. It appears to be code to me. What they're talking about. Is THE REAL ESTATE APPOINTMENT WITH VERNE? At twelve oh four. Pm presumably was right around when the attack happened. Adriana Texts Daniel. We are going shopping. I believe that that is her way of telling Daniel that the job is done and that same afternoon who pulls up at the Sunshine Motel pick our Adriana. You guessed it Daniel Blizzard possible. They were just talking about shopping. Anything is possible. It's not very likely finally in September. Two thousand thirteen nearly three months after the attack the detective went to pick up Daniel. He didn't seem surprised to see me when he didn't say gee detected what could this possibly be about. No he didn't ask detective. Who's investigating the attack on Vernal Rook? It didn't take long for Daniel Blizzard to tell investigators how he really felt about Verne and the business deal. That had gone bad. He didn't bury Laborat- well. Good job on screwing us over. So how did you screw over? Just lies deceit. I have nothing bad against at all when I use these kinds of words. It's not out some kind of grudge or anything like that. And why was Daniel Paying Adriana rant and taking her shopping involved in a sexual relationship with Adriana? He's hoping out of the kindness of your heart. Kokai Protective Perol was having none of it. You're obviously sticking to your story but I do not believe it so at this time. I'm going to tell you that you are under arrest for attempted murder Vernon Holbrook for the first time. Daniel Blizzards demeanor changed. He was definitely surprised. Look like he might be ill. What went through your mind when police told you that they'd arrested Daniel Blizzard. Thank God. Finally really it sounded like a case neatly tied up. Two attackers linked to a man with motive and millions to gain. That wasn't the whole story. There was someone else involved. The detective believed someone else who had betrayed. Verne's trust and to say it. Was someone close to Verne. Would be an understatement. In fact it's someone you've already mic coming up arrest number for satisfaction. Huge satisfaction is about a split. The family into by the fall of two thousand thirteen three months after the attack. Vern Holbrooke was in a coma but somehow still alive you either of you hold out any hope for a recovery. I think you always want to believe and have hoped that someone's going to get better job with hospital staff all the time skies honor. If anybody can come out of this it's going to be have and as the autumn winds rolled into the Yakima Valley. Detective Sam Perol already had made three arrests but there was one more to come and to say it was a shocker. Would be an understatement. There was one more name the detective had been. Hearing from Verne's family. People can live in things because it turned out that the plots alleged mastermind Daniel Blizzard had for several years dated and helped support financially a woman who had once been his clover and Holbrook as a child. This woman remember her. He helps anybody out. Mother to three Verne's grandchildren his former daughter-in-law Jill Taylor what would ever motivation. Be for taking part in that plot. Suppose the only connection would be her relationship with Daniel. And what's good for? Daniel is good for Jill. I would think so. And the detective found that Jill Taylor was also the common link between Daniel Blizzard. And another of the alleged participants of the plot Adriana Mendez what today Adriana Mendez and Jill Taylor having common methamphetamine. They met through a common friend at a party using drugs. Detectives say that friendship forged in math became so close that Jill invited Adriana and her three kids to move in with her and it was at Jill's apartment where Daniel men Adriana and Louis Adriana wouldn't know Daniel Without jail correct. The detective was starting to get a clearer. Picture of how the alleged co conspirators came together. And he soon found another of Gills France filled in some more blanks for him really tight. Vikki Vargas came forward to say it was no secret. What Jilin Daniel wanted like the damage is? She's telling me about it. She was trying to kill some guy. Her brand new times. When that didn't work Daniel was trying to pay Jill ten thousand dollars. Kill this book. Do believe her. It was believable that they were going around asking people about a hit man for ten thousand dollars and the proof that Jill took part in. The plot came from her own lips. If you believe the former family members pointed fingers at her and her once again Chad Jill's ex husband. He said that six weeks before the attack. Jill said something strange. When discussing supervised visits with their three children. She told me that Vern may not be around that much longer to be supervising visits and I said well. Why would you think that she told me? Then that will you know. He makes a lot of enemies and he's going to end up making the wrong kind of enemies. All of this eventually landed Jill in the sheriff's office herself. Is it. Okay if we talk about this I won't. I would rather have lawyer best. It's just because it's such a delicate situation in professional. I understand that China. Not You know I. I don't personally Anderson. I do need let you know that you are under arrest recanted. Murder belief satisfaction satisfaction huge satisfaction. You saw jill being sort of what upon of Daniel I think they used each other mill questions. Us involve not in our minds. Fair people were now charged with the attempted murder of Verne Holbrook and then the case changed again in January of two thousand fourteen eight months after he was attacked for an holbrook died from his injuries. It was a sense of relief for him that he didn't have to suffer anymore but it was really hard really hard for the entire family to see him now with anymore. It turned the attempted murder into a first degree murder premeditated murder and it sort of raised the stakes. All around right but once again what seemed to be and what would be wouldn't quite line up. There was one more twist in that long river of lies coming up the case heads into court with a surprise on the stand for Virginia. Jill Taylor the accused becomes Jill Taylor star witness when dateline continues as the four people now charged with the murder of Verne Holbrooke trial in the county. Jail Verne's family former colleagues filled a special sort of animosity for one of them. Jill Taylor Jill had been Verne's daughter-in-law how could she be part of the plot to kill him? How could you do this to someone who cared for you and took care of you in helped your kids and you were a part of this family? How could you do something like that hard? To believe that somebody who had been the beneficiary of burns generosity would be involved in any way of that. I don't know what was going on in the world that she felt she needed to do that. Jill's arrest was especially troubling for her ex husband. Because Chad says he tried to tell over the gills behavior could be volatile and violent. I had tried to warn in a couple of times after our split up. You know that she's dangerous and that he should be careful and he just kind of Lou- what her now. Whatever and you know by. I didn't think much of it. And then as the trials of the four suspects wound their way toward the courthouse. Verne's family was blindsided yet again. Prosecutors called to say they were offering deals to two of the suspects to make sure their cases were rock solid against accused shot collar Daniel Blizzard and the alleged attacker. Luis Gomez Mangas. The state would allow Louise's girlfriend Adriana Mendez and Jill Taylor to walk out of jail. If the two women would agree to testify against the two men did they ask your permission for this or were they essentially saying? This is the way the cookie crumbles. We didn't have a choice but we were made aware that this is what they were thinking of doing. Why were those deals necessary? Deputy Prosecutor Alvin Goose. Mom kind of trying to pick the lesser of two evils on that meaning. You get the mastermind and you get the guy whose hand was actually on the knife and maybe the little fish swim away. That's essentially what happened in the situation. Do you think you're a strong case against you'll Tayla. She was probably the weakest case. We would have had compared to all four people that we believed were involved and so in August two thousand fourteen. The murder trial of Daniel Blizzard began with a parade of lawyers. Life Insurance Salesman and law enforcement taking the stand before the star witnesses began to appear to calm. Jill Taylor claimed that Daniel wanted vern dead so he could collect the one point. Five eight million dollar insurance policy and that Adriana Mendez told her that she and Louise we're going to go through with the attack urn. We're GONNA kill her for what it was her turn. Adriana Mendez said Daniels showed her a wad of cash to entice her feet on four track after the attack was over. Adriana claim Daniel gave her the ten thousand dollars plus a two thousand dollar bonus. That money was never recovered. This blizzards defense attorney. Peter Mazzoni argued that Adriana. Jill would have said anything on the stand because of those get out of jail. Free deals offered by prosecutors so long as the lab night was the defense argued jurors had to acquit Daniel Blizzard. Because of a lack of evidence you will not hear of a symbol shredder forensic evidence of any kind leading this man or after three weeks. The jury has the case but it took less than a full day of deliberation to deliver a verdict. We the jury and the defendant was guilty of the crime of first degree murder. You know what we wanted and what was right happened. It was a huge huge relief that the jury found the truth color changed but he did a pretty good job of maintaining his poker face. This was a guy I thought he was going to get away with it. I think so. The judge sentenced Daniel Blizzard. Two more than thirty four years in prison a month later the trial of Louise Gomez Mont gets. He testified that it was not he but Adriana Mendez who had slashed Holbrook's neck and struck him healty high speed murder. The jury didn't buy it. The judge sentenced Louise to more than twenty-six years behind bars. The two men we're going to prison. What would happen to those? Two women who've cut deals to help them there and what Jill Taylor have to say about it all coming up just set me up for everything else. He set me up deeply involved or wrongly accused. We're about to hear from Jill Taylor herself so you kind of victim here. I don't like to call myself a victim after Daniel. Blizzard and Luis Gomez Mangas were sentenced for the murder of realtor Vern Holbrooke. It was time for the two women charged in the case to face the judge in exchange for her cooperation. Adrian amends the woman who brought her three small children to a murder scene was allowed to plead guilty to charges of assault and criminal rendering. She was sentenced to time. Served about fifteen months and released. And Jill Taylor Vernon Holbrook's former daughter-in-law was set free. After spending about a year in the county jail charges of first degree murder were dismissed without prejudice meaning. Prosecutors do have the option of refiling at some point in the future but at this point Jill has never been convicted of any crime. In connection with Verne's deaf Verne's family is still bitter about Jill's deal if it wasn't for Joel putting it all together helping Daniel put the pieces together. This may not have happened. I think that's Criminal it's You know shouldn't have happened You know she in my opinion definitely got away with murder and when you walk out of this interview she might be standing on the street. You never know de crosses my mind. We wanted to talk to Jill Taylor and it turned out. She wanted to talk with us to tell a story of betrayal but in her telling she's the one who was betrayed. When we sat down with Jill she'd been out of jail for about three months claiming she was caught in a web of Daniel Blizzards Creation. When you heard that. Vernon attacked and left for dead. How'd you feel that? Maybe you could have headed that off. Some Hell No. I wouldn't have headed off anyhow because Daniels determined to do what he wanted to do. I really cared about Daniel. And it was just really hoping that he would pull his head out of his rear. Maybe I have issues with letting people use me. The just set me up for everything. Daniels set me. Up is a win win for him but remember it was only through Jill Daniel Blizzard Matt Adriana and Louise? Jill admits that's true admits. She knew blizzard at paid them admits she never told police but told us something she never said on the stand that Adriana convinced her the attack would never happen. Went to her. Hotel is about an April and I just told her that. I don't care how much money he's already lent your whatever. You're not obligated to do anything. And she says we're not GonNa you know I'm not GonNa do that. You Know Adriana specifically told you she was not going to go through the Denver Right yes. You must have been surprised when it turned out after all guard we asked yellow the death of a man who'd been good to her and her kids. Her answer was that the financial help vern provided for her and her family has been overstated. I mean thirty six thousand a year. We I had a good job. I paid my own bills. He only helped me when I first split up with my ex husband and I paid him back every dime that he had helped me with. Jill Blooms Verne's family for making her look bad particularly her ex Chad. Your ex husband was the only person who thought you were assessed by pretty much. Everybody else endurance family mentioned you. Daniel Blizzard right away to police. I don't understand why they think that I would do anything to him like that. I mean what would I be gained from it? What would you yeah vern is Daniel? Blizzard is your boyfriend gets more than a million dollars for him. Well present nothing to do with me reasonably you might share in. That was thinking. Don't you think if I was going to attack somebody that I would go attack? Somebody WORTH WILL. A million and a half dollars is a lot of motive. I don't care about money I don't get it. Why people are so shallow when it comes to money Jill Story. She didn't want the money. Her boyfriend lied to her. The couple that lured earned. The home lied to her. But those claims that Daniel Blizzard had asked Jill to poison vern. Well those according to jail are true Daniel gave you poison. I think so I just dumped it out so what kind of poison it was and he said what put this in. Verne's drink or and you said what I'm not I'm not gonNA commit murder. I figured flavor you know I can tell you that Steve and you call the police. No you didn't gullible I would. I asked you to commit murder. It could have been sugar water for all. I know I come from a world that you don't go to the police because someone sneeze wrong. You know why Daniel think that you would be willing to boys. I did love him in. Yeah. I would've done things for him. So you're kind of a victim here. I don't like to call myself a victim me emmy by your definition. Yeah of course. There's one person who's pretty clearly a victim. Vern Holbrooke built a successful business and love his role at the center of a happy family. Did he trusts too much. Should he have known what might be coming? Maybe those are tough questions to answer because the truth is no one wants to believe your business partner will betray you after. All the idea is that they're just like family. That's all for now. I'm Lester Holt. Thanks for joining us. Willie geist here this week. On the Sunday sit down. Podcast I head to Waco Texas to get together with fixer upper stars chip and Joanna Gaines to talk about turning a local business into an get that conversation now for free wherever you download your podcasts.

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Nellie Bly's round-the-world trip ended - Jan. 25, 1890

This Day in History Class

08:31 min | 1 year ago

Nellie Bly's round-the-world trip ended - Jan. 25, 1890

"You know, people say necessity is the mother of invention. But that's not always true. Sometimes the mother of invention is advertising. Yeah. Or pure accident. How about eagle maniacal delusion? Absolutely. Or just a desperate longing. To be cool. I'm Robert lamb, and I'm Joe McCormick. You're the host of the science podcasts stuff to blow your mind. Now, we're branching off into the exploration of invention. Invention is the story of human history told one piece of technology at a time the things we made and how they made us invention publishes every Monday, listen and subscribe to invention on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you find your podcasts. Hi, I'm eve and walk them to this day in history class a show that uncovers history one day at a time today is January twenty fifth twenty nineteen. The day was January twenty fifth eighteen ninety after seventy two days of traveling by train rickshaw horse small boat. Steamship donkeys in various other vehicles journalist Nellie bly set foot back in New York to a cheering crowd Nelly. Just twenty five years old said a new record for her trip around the world. Nelly. Unprecedented trip made her famous well, more famous. It wasn't her first time at the rodeo Nellie. Born Elizabeth Jane Cochran was known for being daring reporter take ten days. In a mad house. A theories Nellie date in eighteen eighty seven that pretty much epitomizes her sensational investigations Nellie wanted to do a story on immigrants for the New York World, a newspaper that was a pretty big deal in the late nineteenth century. But she got a no on that assignment. And was told to see if she could find out what was really going on at the women's lunatic asylum on Blackwell's island in New York to get into the Silom without tipping people off that she was there reporting, she pretended. She was a patient after a little bit of training. And by that, I mean Ellie mate, quote, crazy faces in a mirror and deprived. Herself sleep Nellie was ready to convince people see belonged in the hospital stereotypes of what mental illness looks like a side. Nelly sue made it to Blackwell's island and her experience. There was published as a temper expose in the newspaper. The horrible treatment in conditions that she exposed lit to more investigation of silence practices yet. Nellie journalism was pretty bold. So it wasn't much of a surprise. When she read Jules Verne's, eighteen seventy three novel around the world in eighty days and thought it was a good idea to do the same thing the main character Phileas Fogg does but in less time. So she went to the New York World something along the lines of, hey, I want to travel all the way around the world and write about it for you. And it was eighteen eighty nine. So to say the least Nellie proposal wasn't met with glowing. Acceptance her managing editor was interested, but the other guys at the newspaper, not so much. Nobody's done this before they said in of course woman couldn't do it alone being the daredevil. She was she told him in charge at the New York World to go ahead and send a guy in. She the strip on the same day for another newspaper and beat him. Finally, they agreed to. In her around the world on their time. Nelli gave herself seventy five days to travel all the way around the globe. And on November fourteenth eighteen eighty nine. Nellie left New Jersey on a steamship headed for England and the New York role Masur everyone knew she was leaving with the front page story on the day of her departure little Dinelli. No journalists name Elizabeth biz limb was also just beginning her trip around the globe. But for cosmopolitan magazine. Yes. Cosmopolitan was that petty? Spoiler alert. Elizabeth didn't win the race. Anyway, Nellie set off on her adventure with a bag full of Justin assess ities, plus ajar cold cream. She went through Italy, Egypt, Singapore modern day, Sri, Lanka, Japan and other countries. Even going off route to meet Jules Verne in France along the way, she sent her writing back to the newspaper in New York. A telegraph cable and by ship. Melis travels were definitely eventful. There was a monsoon on the way to Hong Kong. She was proposed to buy guy who thought she was an American heiress and she bought a monkey Singapore. After resisting the temptation as she put it to buy a boy at port saieed in a girl at Colombo. Yes, Nellie was a pioneering journalist at a time. When they were few women ournalists at all, let alone those who aren't pigeonholed into the women's interest category. But many of her remarks came off his jaded ignorant and even casually racist like when she call beggars in Hong Kong repulsive and compare the plight of US slaves to that of core. People in Mexico City. Nelly was complicated, regardless the New York World made a spectacle of all of it. They printed as many stories as they could about her travels, even creating a contest for guessing how long Nellie chip would take and readers devoured her. Worldly tales, increasing the newspaper circulated numbers when she landed in San Francisco on January twenty first the New York World chartered a train to get her to New York where she was met by cheering crowds. She had made it back on January twenty fifth eighteen ninety at three fifty one PM in exactly seventy two days, six hours, eleven minutes and fourteen seconds. But despite her contributions to the New York World her bosses wouldn't give her a race. So she resigned from the paper in Rhode out her success going on a lecture tour and publishing the popular book around the world in seventy two days. A few months later. George francis. Chain beat her record coming in at sixty seven days, but nilly continued to write and her station reporting lifting impact beyond the boundaries of stunt journalism. Oh, and if you think headlines today are super click Beatty, check out some of nails headlines in the New York World. One of the standouts is Nellie bly tells how it feels to be a white slave. I'm coat, and hopefully, you know, a little more about history today than you did yesterday. You can subscribe to this day in history class on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks to Chandler Mesa. Our producer come back tomorrow for another tip. If from history. He was like to tell you about another podcast. You may enjoy it is the end of the world with Josh Clark. It is a ten episode series. All ten episodes are out there in the world now for you to binge. Josh Clark is co host of stuff, you should know. And for the end of the world, he dives into existential risks. There's ways that we humans might accidentally wipe ourselves out with the same technology where developing to try to make a brighter future the end of the world with Josh Clark is waiting all ten episodes. Find it on apple podcast iheartradio app, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Could a Giant Squid Take Down a Submarine?

BrainStuff

05:52 min | 2 years ago

Could a Giant Squid Take Down a Submarine?

"Support for brain stuff comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans are excited to introduce their all new rate shield approval. If you're in the market to buy a home rate, shield approval is a real game changer. And here's why first Quicken Loans will lock your rate for up to ninety days while you shop. But here's the crucial part. Every up your rate stays the same. But if rates go down your rate also drops either way you win. It's the kind of thinking you'd expect from America's largest mortgage lender to get started. Go to rocketmortgage dot com slash brain stuff rate shield approval, only valid on certain thirty year purchase transactions. Additional conditions or exclusions may apply based on Quicken Loans, data in comparison to public data records equal housing lender licensed in all fifty states and m l s consumer access, dot org. Number three, zero three zero. Welcome to brain stuff from how stuff works. Pay brain stuff. Lauren Boko bomb here about three hundred different species of squid have been swimming in the world's oceans for more than four hundred million years. There are three species that grow to massive proportions, the giant, the colossal and the jumbo also known as the Humboldt squid while many squared are just a few inches long, giant and colossal squid are enormous. These two types are estimated to reach from thirty five to sixty feet in length. That's about ten to eighteen meters, including their body and tentacles. That's larger that a full link school bus and they can weigh up to a thousand pounds or about four hundred and fifty kilograms. Their protruding eyes are the size of volleyball's Humboldt squid are these smallest of the three only about six feet. That's two meters long and one hundred pounds or forty five kilograms. But how did these marine animals get so big? The most common explanation is a phenomenon called deep sea. Gigantism the theory suggests that overtime, small shallow water creatures evolve. To live at vast deep sea levels by getting bigger likely due to a combination of food supply and the increased size of the predators at great depths in shallow waters advantageous to stay small because there's limited food, but at the extreme depths where massive squid are thought to live between about six hundred and fifty and two thousand six hundred feet. That's about two hundred to seven hundred meters below the surface bigger creatures have size and endurance on their side when traveling longer distances in search of food. When you're a small fish in a large pond year snack. But if you're the big fish, you have your choice of snacks, but is the whole ocean their buffet, including human ships and submarines, sea creatures, feature prominently in seafarer tales around the world dating back to ancient times in Greek and Roman mythology. There's tales of great battles between men and marine monsters capable of pulling ships underwater. Twelfth century Norwegian sailors told stories of sea creatures, they'd seen by the century, the creatures Norwegian legend. At grown to the likes of islands with arms. It's thought that giant colossal and Humboldt squid are aggressive, opportunistic creatures that prey on anything that comes their way from easy meals officiant shrimp to a more sporting hunt of other large cephalopods and Wales. The Humboldt specifically are known to be fierce cannibalistic fighters, Mexican fishermen, have nicknamed them diablo's row hosts or Red Devils because of their bodies, red color, and they're hostile nature and is squid of colossal dimensions featured in Jules Verne's eighteen sixty nine novel twenty thousand leagues under the sea said to be a fictionalized account of a real encounter between a French navy ship and giant squid, whether the original account is entirely fictional or not. The novel peaked the public's interest in deep sea gigantism and marine attacks, and certainly isn't the only account of squid attacking ships in the nineteen thirties, the Brunswick, the Royal Norwegian navy's fifteen thousand ton. Tanker was attacked three separate times by different giant squid. Each account tells of. Squid pursuing the tanker and striking it suddenly tentacles wrapped around the hull. Fortunately, for the sailors yet, unfortunately, for the squid the steel of the ship proved either too slick or too hard for the tentacles to grapple and Pierce each squid the tried to land the Brunswick ended up perishing after sliding into the tankers propellers as recently as two thousand three giant squid attempted to take down a boat this time, a French yacht sailing. Ironically, in the Jules Verne trophy a prize for the fastest global circumnavigation by yacht. Luckily, the twenty six foot long. That's about eight meters squid gave up before its demise or that of the boat. Some scientists are skeptical that squid are dangerous to humans or watercraft suggesting that their species with a fish based diets and therefore have no need to attack humans or these steel of ship. But whether they're actively pursuing our vessels or not, no gigantic squid has yet taken down a modern ship, but it hasn't been for the lack of trying. Today's episode was written by Maria tree Marci and produced by Tyler clang for more on this end. Lots of other huge topics visit our home planet. How stuff works dot com. Father is Keith hunter, just percent. He's known as the happy face, serial killer. On one side of the coin, he's a loving family, man. And then on the other side of the coin, he is everything that could hurt you. He goes from protected a predator. Happy face a new series from house to forks, new episodes out every Friday on apple podcasts or wherever you get podcast. Liz. Don't have.

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REShow: Verne Lundquist. Hour 2 (10-16-18)

The Rich Eisen Show

47:43 min | 2 years ago

REShow: Verne Lundquist. Hour 2 (10-16-18)

"Rich Eisen on demand, your show your schedule, fifteen minutes after ball dot com. Check out the casts at richeisenshow dot com. So magin when you put your child to sleep every night that they could die, if they are not connected to a mechanical ventilator, our daughter, Natasha has a very rare genetic medical condition. She stops breathing when she sleeps. Even though we pay our health insurance, there was no way we can afford her medical care. So we rely on Medicaid providence Saint Joseph health, we believe health is a human right Mern more at future PS j. health dot org. All right. However, to the rich Eisen show is only air right here on the campus of AT and t. AT to Verne. Lundquist is gonna. Join us here on the show. Got his book right here. It's called play-by-play. He's a play by play man for decades, kinda MRs voice a little bit. He's still he's still doing the masters. You still doing. I think NC double a basketball. And other than that, he's writing books and promoted it, and I can't wait to chat with Verne Lundquist right here in the middle of our number two, Mark Ingram, the saints is gonna join us on the program. We had Philip rivers on in our number one. I tried to get some parenting advice from him. I don't think I gleaned very much from him other than the fact don't have eight kids because I don't know if I've got the position. I think Phil were different level that comes to pair. So news that is broken in the last hour is that he has Monte Grondahl who struck out the basis loaded last night who struck out with two runners on early in the game. We did double if you only taken that double and hit it with two runners on the game impede and Bellinger second and third early on or with the basis loaded in the ninth maybe starting today instead of Austin, barns. But it's Barnes today for the dodgers as the fans were chanting for Barnes last night. I was one of the loudest chance I heard all night is dodger fans got settled in their seats right around ten to five Pacific time and KiKi Hernandez. Second baseman of the dodgers is after the game complaining about the crowd, it was. It was like I was there with my family and it was dead. There's no other way to put it was dead in the building. When I walked in, it was dead in the building when I walked out and it was dead throughout because the dodgers did not put men on base and the dodgers did not hit in timely fashion. And when you feel that you're not getting through to a pitcher and somebody like Josh freaking hater stroll. In with a four run lead. It is over and I'll tell you what they dodgers need a win this one today. Because if they lose this one, I don't see them winning three in a row unless somehow the brewers pitching just completely falls apart, which has happened in previous postseason play. But good pitching will win in October. I will always try and chase that as I would always try and get those young pitchers from the minor leagues coach them up and throw them out there. That's the day and age. Now, I mean in baseball, that is the Dan age right now homerun strikeout walk. That's basically what you're trying to get right now. So strange. You know, all our guest recently have kind of said the same thing that they're not sure what they're watching this postseason just the way baseball's kinda volving. Right? I don't know if it's good for the game while we heard, you know, Kevin Malar go crazy about the. The aspect of analytics for the game, it cetera, et cetera. But man, oh man. And that said though last night, the Dave Roberts. Kept Walker bueller in the game. Normally they're taking about not letting them go through the order third straight time, and it looked like he made the right move was the one nothing game, and he kept him in the game and Buehler got the first two outs in like three pitches and then a triple which you could make the case was misplayed in center field and then a ball, the Grondahl. Let's get away from him. Just like in game. One leads to a second run in Orlando, arse hit a two run shot. Matt was at that was at then again, grand oughta shot with the basis loaded in the ninth and he struck out looking. So I guess Barnes was announced last night that he's going to be starting today. And now here come the dodgers and the brewers. Again, you got the Red Sox in the Astros tonight. It's gonna be a big one between Vall Di and kaikal. Dallas kaikal winning this game tonight would be huge because of all these just locked in. I mean, they acquired him mid-season the Red Sox, and he pitched well in the first couple of starts and then was pedestrian for a stretch of about a month. And now he is he's touching one hundred and he is just lighten it up. And if the Red Sox can go in of all these, you know his, his idol is Nolan Ryan see, he's gonna be. He's gonna be pitching Nolan's going to be sitting right behind home plate scowl as he always does for the Houston Astros and the Kyko has got to come up tonight. I mean, that's there's no two ways about it. I still think the Astros win this one and I still I was went into last night thinking dodgers. We're gonna win that series. Certainly after the way that they came back two games against the bullpen, you beat a man strength. That's the way that you break their will and the dodgers could only get one in Milwaukee. And then last night. It all worked out. Craig counsel made a couple of decisions as well on on challenging, double play balls. First time he thought he challenged the fact that that Machado went into second base illegally that you're not allowed to, you know, go and lay somebody Machado while. I mean both of them were late. The second one, I guess he put his hand on his arm out. We couldn't tell I'm sitting in the stadium just again, just giving you the perspective wherever you're sitting at home. I'm sitting in the stadium. I'll pay and customer. They showed the replay once that's it. You have no idea. There's not even an announcement from the PA system. The play is under review. They did show something on the board sponsored. The review is sponsored stadium and then and then the put the headsets on and come out and point to first base in call Cody Bellinger out point to second base. He's out. And we're like, okay, that's a double play. Why can't they just why can't somebody dead on a microphone? Say the brewers are challenging the ruling on a field that Bellinger should be out by. Honor, interference, whatever you wanna call it at least, then I know that. And then now pace a play issue? No, it's an unpire doesn't wanna talk to you and it's a major league baseball. Can't tell empires union. You need to talk. You need to tell everybody at home and in the stadium what you are looking for and when you make the ruling what it was. I mean, we're all in the we're all in. I got three young kids who have no earthly idea what's happening, and then everybody around us. We're all like living breathing, diehard baseball fan adults. I guess it's because he came in late. I guess he went in late. Did you see the replay? What are you seeing people in the luxury suites or you can hear them cheering or getting upset because they, they got the the writer actually seeing the broadcast and then the unpire don't even talk. They just come out and point like they're doing semaphore on ship, and you're left to be wondering what happened. And we're like, I guess he went in late, can't they save Machado's right arm make contact with the with the shortstop, it legal, you know, made illegal contact with the short stop by rule. The runner at first. Is out what's wrong with that. Why can't be unpire stew that they're probably already might for whatever MLB films there is. It makes the most most logical sense. I don't think the wanna talk. I don't think they want that responsibility. I don't think they want to do it. I don't understand why surprised Joe west doesn't wanna sing making pelican guitar and make him sing. Simple solution. Okay, eight, four, four, two, four riches. The number two. I do wanna hit on this story, very membership of the National Football League because they're having their their mid season meetings. And you know, remarkably, the first seven weeks mostly has been discussed about play on the field in the National Football League and. One of the few things that's being talked about off the field. Certainly in New York City's the fact that Odell Beckham sat down with Lil Wayne with the SPN and this was the week before the Thursday night football game. The giants find him because I guess he didn't clear it with the giants to go sit down with the SPN and he threw the coach and the quarterback and the system under the bus amnesty says, he's not maybe not happy there, even though the giants made him the most. Wealthy receiver in the game, we contract Kate ninety, five million dollars. They paid him after he played the entire offseason very well. Now, look, ally manning does not look like a franchise quarterback anymore. Certainly not in this system. The most dynamic player on the field through the first six weeks of the season is without question saquon Barkley there's a whole conversation with Sam darnold. Now having the jets at three and three after two, solid weeks against Denver in Indianapolis, at home too. By the way, teams that have combined three wins same as the jets. They're all talking about how darnold is the second coming of Joe Nemeth, how ally is washed up and how saquon despite how good he is looked is the wrong pick for the giants. Pat Shurmur says he still believes in ally. Everyone now goes up to John Mero who's the the guy in charge of football for the giants ownership structure and John Mara said of Odell. I wish he would create the headlines by his play on the field as opposed to what he says and what he does off the field. I think he needs to do a little more playing and a little less talking. Let's see how Dell takes that. Now, I don't know who's talking Odell if he is watching this show or hearing or my two cents matters at all. I would say, take it as it is intended. A man who was paid. You ninety five million dollars on a contract that you wanna make every last penny. And he is essentially the man who's writing your checks. That's it. And if you want out, then I will be seeing you more on ESPN. If that's what you wanna do if you really want out of New York, where do you wanna go? You wanna come here to Los Angeles. Spotlight will be a little less bright Miano with you is not a lot of longtime listener. First-time caller is burning up the phone lines from Rancho Cucamonga around here when you're driving around, it's not nearly as intense trust me of no both situations. Maybe that would be the best spot form if he really wants to. If you really wants to get out of there, then I'm gonna see him more and more often yelling at water. Cool air coolers and and talking out of school. So we'll see the next few weeks. Does he really want to be a New Yorker? Not because the owner has flat out called him out. And he has the right to do it after everything that went on, he decided to say, okay, let's go and give you damn near one hundred million dollars on a contract that you're young enough to be able to earn every last penny if everything works in New York City. Where winning leads to, you know, and I fell commercials and hadn't shoulders commercials. Just ask Justin talk, look at what straight handed with his New York victories. He's dick Clark now. A guy from small school in Texas. Nobody ever heard of when he got drafted. Look at him now he's everywhere. So that's why the phrase of you can make it there. You can make it anywhere. But right now he's not making any lie manning. He was asked about ally manning and Mara had this to say about ally manning. I think when you're one in five generally generally means that everybody needs to play better. So he's not alone. I still we still believe in him, but everybody needs to do their jobs in order for us to be successful. And right now that's not happening. I know he's the punching bag right now, but a lot of guys need to play better when you one and five. That's true too. But when he says that he li- needs to play better. And he says it Pat Shurmur the right guy and get him the right guy to me that is a tacit, green light that if things don't go any better. Go ahead, make the switch. That's the way I read it. Once you make the switch, you can't go back. You can't do what they did last year. I, I don't think you can go back. No, but if you don't think the line is any good while you're gonna put that kid from Richmond out there, right? To be thrown into the NFC east crucible, I think this is going to be allies gig to eat it. If that's the, if that's the case, and that would be a damn shame if it's the line, I don't know what it is. Everybody who's anybody who knows scouting in this business and knows quarterback play that I text with and talk with say, if you give them time and you give them line of scrimmage, ability to go ahead if you if you let him at the line of scrimmage, audible like the Manning's, do he still find scheme blocking all together? It's just not working. They gotta figure it out and they gotta figure it out fast. Eight, four, four, two, four rich number to dial here, but you just heard that and it's all gonna play on a Monday night football. And what talk about desperate one in five giants against the falcons team that was lucky to win their second game of the year against the bucks. Vert Lundquist all time. Great. Goat broadcasters written a book called play by play. I cannot wait for this man to spend some stories that's next year on this edition of the rich Eisen show rich Eisen here. Now listen diehards. Here's some football facts. Even you might not know about the first football game was played in eighteen sixty nine. In an average game. The ball is typically in play for only about eleven minutes. And finally pizza consumption rates go up during the week of a big game. Okay. You probably knew that last one. Well, here's another fact that you might not know that's actually really useful, especially if you plan on tailgating. 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You can speak to one of their train specialists. Twenty four, seven. The company is Geico go to Geico dot com today. Sorry for all the numbers and five, four, three, two one amount of time. I'll be honest, I miss your mishearing this man's voice every single week and and I and I love Nessler on the call on CBS. It just is a guy that I grew up listening to, and I could not be more thrilled that he's got a new book out telling his story and all of his great stories call play by play calling the wildest games in sports from SEC football to college basketball, the masters and more the author and goat broadcaster Verne Lundquist back here on the richeisenshow how you been Vern rich. I'm going greatest way too. It has been widely write the book where this come from? Well, it came out of a basketball seminar in New York. About three years ago, we had finished our media session and it was breaking up and there were four or five guys who are writers who I was in the midst of circle of people. And I started telling stories, which is what I do for living and they started responding mostly, they were laughing, thank God because these are tempted to be funny. And one of the fella said, you know what? You've got a lot in your background. Why do you consider writing book? And so that was really the Genesis of what is published being published today. They had delay the publishing date proper college did because they had a problem with binding the book. It's. Out, and I let me be candid right upfront about this almost a year ago in November of last year. I had quite serious back surgery in in Vail at the set McCormick bail if became complicated, the recovery did and we were, I would say, late February, and I got a call from HarperCollins and they said, we need manuscript and we got nothing and they, they suggested that I concur that we have a higher ghostwriter. So we employed felon, Gary rose, Zach who lives in evergreen Colorado, and we would talk probably four times a week, and these conversations were recorded by call center and I'll they were transcribed sent to Gary. He would write his chapter, send it to me, I fat check it. Approve it back to him onto New York. So he deserves a lot of credit for the way the words were put together, my thoughts. That's why that's why you're so great at what you did verners you always you know, don't make it about yourself and you make others around. You look better and sound better, and I'm glad that you mentioned Gary, who's who's out there. He's on the cover of the book right here and so many great stories. Again inside this book, not many people might know because obviously they've known you for your national work so much master CBS and also as football Olympics. But you are the radio voice for the Dallas Cowboys from sixty seven to eighty four. What's your best Tom Landry story that you have for my? Yeah, I. Well, I'll share this with you over the years. I probably took one hundred and fifty charter flights with the Cowboys and the seating arrangements her as long as I did that coaching staff and front office in first class, right behind the barrier media. And then behind us, there was a curtain it was placed with access obviously. But that was meant to get players a degree of privacy. So they could work at win or lose and we weren't to bother them. And I saw this from a distance almost every flight we took Tom and his wife leashes sat in four c. and the this is a brand flight with five. I road they were insanity and in evidently he would be served. I. He would have one glass of Chardonnay. He would get an never ever more than one he would get up. And again, this winter lose and go by us to the very back of the point and work his way forward and not that he stopped at every players I'll, but he had something to say to most of them as he worked his way back to his seat, he would then sit down and I never do in my life. Louis l'amour though the western novelist had written this many books, Tom would pull out a paperback and be immersed in that until the plane landed back in Dallas. I never would have thought Tom Landry was a white wine guy very on immersed. I would never. I would have never guessed that. He was a Chardonnay guy, Tom Landry Chardonnay guy. I'm here to reveal things about character. There. There's a great line that I use again, fitches walk garrison remains. Our friend of mine. He was Catholic fullback top his nails, and he was asked for if he had ever seen, Tom Landry smile and all set. No, but I've only been here nine years. Verne Lundquist here on the rich Eisen show who's the biggest character. You got a name, the biggest character you ever called games with or called games about, oh easy. And he's still on FOX with would be Terry Bradshaw irrepressible we had two years together. They split us up for two that we started working together in eighty four and we did eighty four eighty five and for reasons that have never ever been explained to me. We were separated in eighty six, seven. I worked with Pat Haden differ meals those years. And then Terry and I put together eight navy nine and he said to me once and I totally agree with he was so restaurant that he knew as long as John Madden was sitting Pat Summerall side. He was never gonna be number one and. He knew that and it really drove him crazy. So. In the spring of nineteen ninety. The two of us were sent to the NFL owners meetings to represent CBS, and he told me that he was going to ask for a studio assignment, anyone up going to studio and sat with Greg Gumbel. And in my estimation, that's where he's, he's really shy. He's got all these gestures and just stick Yele shins and it comes. It comes across much easier if you see it then if you just here. Yeah, I mean, Terry Bradshaw is also one of the greatest late night. Talk guests of all time. I I've seen a few though that you have. So I thought you'd go Raftery. I mean, what's gosh, what? What's your concentrating on Landry and football, right. I mean, Raftery. Right? I mean, what's the longest dinner you've ever add with Raftery? He'll read longest what. Dinner. Obeng. This lasted from about seven thirty two two in the morning. He's an all lobby, right? He's he's an all time. Great. Billy Billy remains one that fi closest friends with whom I've ever worked. I tease him all the time that he's never met a last call her to last call that he really honored. Like rich here, so resilient and I must say this about him. He despite the laughing reputation that and and he tried to give it to me. But I said, no, the honors all yours. He arrives at game site as well prepared as any basketball football analyst with whom I've ever worked. He, he's a festivities, fastidious in this preparation. Well, he's one of my also very festivity is in his enjoyment d is and he's one of my each one of my favorites last one for you because I know you have a tour that you're doing here and that you're kinda to have as part of what was it like being at at Augusta for Jack or tiger in terms of the the crowd noise which one? Yeah, because they because Jack. And I was at seventeen took the lead in eighty six because that was a sustained effort. He began four shots off the lead and and didn't make much of a move through eight holes. He birdied nine, ten and the left. The fellows now are executive for this off was in the back of the truck doing he was putting together not. He was the guy who chose the tapes and the olive, this landfill. He hollered Frank in the furthest. I've got nNcholas on tape with a birdie at nine and Frank turned around the land. He said, you gotta learn how to sterilize story. Buddy. Jack Nicklaus is not part of this story. Well, guess what? The crowd rich just night it and especially birdie thirteen. And then he eagle fifteen. And almost have old on at sixteen. So he came to the seventeenth hole balancers, put it in the water, three good Sehinde with. And I never heard golf fans and Augusta, National members ask for your permission to use fans yesterday instead of instead of patrons. Yeah, that's okay. A allowed back Verne I'm sure you'll be fun and good. Thank you. I mean, instantaneous yell-, yelling and reaction. Tiger shift shot, but for sustained knows that the the gallery on the back of the Gusta almost thirty years ago was just extraordinarily is ver- new Artouste sir play by play Verne Lundquist as you were kind of mentioned also written with Gary Rosiak Vern. I can't wait to read this. Can't wait for all of my listeners viewers to read it, and I'd love to have more time with you next time because I listen to you. Been stories for an hour at least rich. I promise you I'll be available. I always enjoy our conversation right back at you. That means a ton to me. That's Verne Lundquist sports EMMY award for lifetime achievement in two thousand sixteen. He's in the sportscasters and sportswriters association's hall of fame and for good reason. How about that? Jack? In eighty six, he was forty six right doing that. And he's talking about Frank, Frank Chikane who's the the legendary CBS sports golf director, who's the Franken that equation Atlanta barrow who I believe if I'm not mistaken is producing the as he said, he's still executive producers producing the the the Nance Romo games still to ease legend. CBS. Not part of the storm part of the story. Any became part of the story. And of course, the tiger chip is famed one where Nike couldn't have scripted any better as it rolled back. And he played it off of the shelf on sixteen out of the bunker to be played back towards the whole, and he got it in for a birdie and we all know the the golf ball went from the Nike symbol and just ruled in it. Like pause there Zuma's like cucumbers, perfect. Couldn't have scripted any better. Verne Lundquist play by play. That was neat. Let's go to my hometown is being represented. Here's Tommy it. Staten Island New York. What's up the rock here in the house? How are you? Tommy. Good. How are you? Good. How are you? I'm fine. We're in. We're in the island live, what's okay? I'm from willowbrook. Go figure right around the corner from Jodi. Of course, a very of one of the call about joint Arabs. Okay. Tommy go for he messed up last year with old Davis Webb. He'll. REU wars, the third round pick because they because they don't know what he can do. And then this year it's just after one thing after another with them what low falls on him. I hear you Tommy, but what's walk through this year. Okay. Just let's talk about this year last year we can. We can put a pin in for the moment, but I mean going ahead and getting solar in in off season was exactly what the giants. 'cause it got the flour situation off the front burner and you're getting Tom Brady's protector. I mean, what? What better stock can you get for your approaching forty year old quarterback, right, see, get him. And would you have not taken saquon Barkley. You know, I mean. I was at the draft poor now I, here's what I'll tell you. This Tommy don't be. Don't be torn now, and even though I have so many people that I respect, I think Daniel, Jeremiah of the NFL network falls in this category of take the quarterback when you can and then take the pass rusher the next time he does. Okay. I still think saquon Barkley is going to be so delightful in such a good person and exactly the face front person you want in New York City for ten fifteen years. That's great. And if it doesn't work out this year, the ally go back. These kids that are coming out next year quarterback I think are are are just as good. So. Older. Always leery about guys. Bella trick doesn't bring back. Interesting. Tommy Tommy Lee belly check knows and is Brady been touched this year. You really been what part of part of that too is that he knows when to get rid of the football and they're and they're and thanks for the call Tommy and their schemes better. Now Shurmur is that the answer? That's the question. So far he's been handling the heat apparently very well. Oh del. As we all know, is the shiny object that's going to get everybody's attention defensively. They've got problems, offensive line. They need to work out. Still saquon is not the issue. The issue might be that ally under the current construct of that offensive line in the scheme. It's being brought whether he feels that he could check out or can't. I don't know what's happening. I'll be very honest. But if it doesn't work out for Eli over the next ten games than the giants need to figure out the most graceful exit strategy for him because he deserves it and then go into next year the top five pick, it'll be very difficult to sit through the next ten games, but you'll get through it and you'll see who's which kid might come in and he might turn out to be better than darnold. You never know. Who knows. Who the hell knew Patrick Mahomes when they when the chiefs traded up to get him would be as good as he is right now, if you've got the right coach and the right scheme and the right kid, then then off you go and saquon Barkley is a perfect guy to have for your new rookie quarterback. Yeah, you is not a kid, but keep ally upright and. I, like I said, I didn't see one in five. See, I didn't see the return of the macadear. I didn't ask you this about e wise legacy like what takes a bigger, hit allies legacy if he stays in for the rest of the season and keeps playing poorly or if you get benched again, benched again would be the tough one. Certainly, Kyle. All that is not ready and all you gotta do is take a look at Nate Peterman to see someone who's not ready and see what happens to somebody's career when they're not ready. That's it. That's the nightmare scenario is at some kid that you really like has got a huge upside has got good makeup, good quality, good arm. Good head on his shoulders gets out there and throws an interception, whatever. Interception eleven percent of the time. Suddenly that guy's a washout. Or my my buddy David car, the NFL network. Great makeup, great, armed great head on his shoulders. Great. Everything sack sixty times SIA. That's the concern for Kyle law Letta. I mean, you wanna take the kid from Richmond roll the dice with this scheme and this offense of line and the scheme can work. I mean, worked last year for case keenum for crying out loud with all due respect. You laugh. When I say with all through. The giants, their Atalanta this week, and I'm making the move, obviously, let you say after the bye let's say they lose the next to the lose at Atlanta and they lose homing. It's Washington, let's say, wash comes in and spank some possibly there. One in seven, very possible here comes the by, then you figure, okay, let's get up and running for the final eight final half of the season at San Francisco home for Tampa at Philly home for Chicago at Washington home for Tennessee at Indianapolis, which is Saturday game in the home for Dallas. See what he can do, see what you have going into next year's draft, but the Benchley potentially, but him being benched ally going over these next ten games. We'll still over the next games still have some quality games because he still, he still. Here's the worst word you can use server simple. Okay. The second worst word is solid. Okay. He still he still has isn't lost. You know, the ability to re defense in real time and scheme somebody into the proper situation with a matchup that's to your vantage. He hasn't lost that ability all. So he's they're not gonna go one in fifteen with ally manning. I don't think I'm going to say that. I still believe that I still can't believe that he would be totally useless to the point where one in fifteen that Barclay himself wouldn't be able to win a game that Odell would be able to get at least one fifty fifty ball a couple of games and see how it goes that they could lose with the defense getting healthier. I think we're gonna. We're gonna find out on Monday, but his, here's a falcons are susceptible to being put upon points yardage. We saw James Stewart, here's ally. Manning's legacy, though bench or not. Here's his legacy is two championships. I think that's getting wash away right now. It's not. Washed away, they will never get washed away. It will always be there. Those rings will never be taken its exact. You're the person trying to when the when the players say, no one can ever take this away from me, you're the person who's trying to take it away from them. But I'm also saying that was eight years ago, so what that they won the Super Bowl. So so the legacy is he's got two of them and he got two of them against the team that nobody else was able to beat. He got one of them against the team that nobody did beat that year until he and the giants did. And I understand that he had a brutal first half or the offense did, and I understand that a ball got stuck to how they one. Okay, one. And I totally understand that and I'm not gonna take that away from him. What I'm saying is Rogers breeze Brady, rothlisburger rivers, all these guys are playing well and even better now as they get older ally is getting worse, correct. And it might be situational where his where, where he works for a living. Or it might be that he just ran out of gas and he wasn't as good, and he did not have the game physically to sustain the way that rivers everyone else has that is entirely possible, and it will be up to people to decide or not, but still give me the names of those quarterbacks again that you just mentioned Brady, right? Rogers breeze. Rothlisburger. River's. Okay. Made or older? Take Brady out. Rogers. One rivers is one zero. Ben has one too. And breezes one one, one, two, and the giants fans will never forget it. And in that town where they're already talking about Sam Donaldson. Second comment of Joe Nemeth I even saw today I follow rich SIMEONI of ESPN is an excellent writer for the jets he's talking about. Is it the jets town now. But the three and three Sam darnold making the jets, they three and three, and even if it is jets town because they have a better giants on forty nine, haven't seen a championship. And the giants have had if I'm not mistaken, four in my lifetime to parcels to conflict. So jets town or not. It's still trophies in the case in allies. Got two of them and nobody no matter how he finishes will take that away. And giants fans will never forget it. And one day I will go back there bust or not jacket or not. He'll have his name up and whatever ring of honor that's sitting there in in MetLife, and that will be forever. And whoever does take over for ally manning better answer the bell every single week. Like he did until macadear put Gino in there. Eight, four, four, two, four. It's look at Tommy from Staten Island setting it all right. Got from the homeland. Got us going. Mark Ingram of the saints still to come from the mind of Martellus Bennett. Once you pass twenty one year birthdays done. 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S2 E140: Toying With Tangents -- Science Fiction in Writing

Strength To Be Human --Literary Podcast, Hosted by Mark Antony Rossi

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S2 E140: Toying With Tangents -- Science Fiction in Writing

"Hello and welcome to the strength to be human podcast with your host poet and playwright Mark Antony Rossi. In this our second year, we continue to explore the meaning of being an artist in an ever changing digital world. Now without further ADO, here's your host. Hi folks who welcome to. Human the Joe Separate and Co. at Mark Antony Rossy will go onto toying with engines. The series we're GonNa be doing science fiction and writing episode one, hundred and forty. A normally, don't space them out this this this much just sorta happened, and then I got on some of subjects I'm going to come back to it says a little later than I expected, but you could still pair them together. We did the first thing change on horror will do this one on science fiction writing, and then we'll go onto A. Fantasy writing. pobably an insufficient out complete everything. Noticed more an incident now that I'm on to package these things because we have a a growing library of all kinds of topic. So I'm be able to put these together. In a sort of link thing where people can see the various topics that allows them to easily access folks not only been followers or even subscribers of the show you know they can only get information and they decided they want to join us for a more irregular listening ship. But until then I think it's a good way to do that. I announced going on with this I've been. Always fascinated with a science fiction writing and what we're talking about science fiction writing where also GonNa talk about. What's been done for television and film as well? Okay. Because that's still writing Tele plays out there and enforce you got. A screenplay. So just because it's on television, you see in special effects doesn't mean it's not lose your we. So we're going to be talking about that but let's say since they help expelled some of the ideas and we're talking about on shows well, so they'll be a good. Starting point for some of that as well. Now, let's go. First with malaria. Okay. Terms of poetry infection is actually a couple of publications out there that just work on of the science fiction and poetry, and then it got us some actually insert fiction as well. It's not really that unusual. I. Mean I think for those forms of Oh it's a lot harder to really flesh out with science fiction does and went the science fiction do basically. It's it's writing that has a science foundation, but has a more futuristic elements to it because some of that has really happened yet, and we'll criss cross on the show here I like to stick his TV when TV comes on the show but what I can mention this sometimes. fiction whether it'd be written like with Jules Verne headed. And what he's really talking about fax machines and radio signals the stuff like that in the eighteen hundreds. Okay. Number Times and some folks around the world eighty days and. A Twenty Thousand Leagues under the Sea. I mean, he was able to see certain things or predict certain things that we now take for granted and same thing happened with. So track see them. In those carcasses in in you know in the the The panels on the spaceship there a with a society panel of some of the panelling, put it in there as information like what we do now with what we used to do with between APP, and now we do a compaq this and you know so we still do that to a certain extent and we've learned a lot from that and it's funny how they thought that's the route where we're going to go and we did. So that's really what science fiction is in many ways it sort of predict what it might think in the future this way they can tell a story you know without those things have happened yet, but as much as it does that in Disci- slash. Technological area. Science fiction also goes to a lot of areas of people always notice. So overly understands until later science fiction is great about talking about ethics. About, a at any a out, the been unofficial intelligence philosophy will come up a lot in science fiction even religion. We'll talk about that and you'll be fascinating to learn where religion hate came from the most and you'd be like, Oh, I didn't even see those signs but there there. And Yeah. You'll be like wow I didn't get that so. Now we're talking about poetry and short fiction and science fiction essay could be undesired. Actually magazines is that she's that those particular forms which are very. I feel it's not structured at least brief and how they can go about things always really flesh out everything you would want from science fiction. So you're GONNA get more. I feel the superficial element of it. You get more of that rocket ships and in on computers taking over the world and all that sorta stuff. Because you really can't go too much steeper in that. You really can't. It's much harder to do. So it's GonNa be a lot more pronounce the science fiction and love elements were talking about. And in the novel and it's really weird science fiction. Has Been. Since the day was created in the novel because it allows you to have the most room like I said Jules? On the first science fiction lighters. To. So many things so Ugly we saw before radio signals and satellites and. Trips to the moon with it ships fax machines. US was even thought about. This guy's writing about it guy. An antique in many ways. Jules Verne London. Writers on many of these may be subject. So even just about his books in general, it's almost like we take it for granted at Donnelly's UNSEE. Okay. Submarine Blah Blah, Blah do do can interesting about that so you eat more out guys Arkansas 'em. Around the world as a very popular books, especially in education system in America I think other countries having another languages as well but. Omar. So fast anybody guy like you know getting in a balloon going around, let's cause he's seen travel that could be possible they want to travel and in ways a greater than what can be an end, which was basically a a horse and a cart. or a very primitive train at bess and remember. And this is not tongue you know to mock anybody but. During those times in late eighteen hundreds America was more advanced on some of these things in some of the inventions and innovations that even the infrastructure in Europe of a basis were. So just because you know we might have had a stained steam train going through halfway through the country doesn't mean that that was still going on in Europe you'll find that in many instances that even being done yet it was still trying to decide how they want to handle that. got done later on but still so I in America a lot of these things. What we're starting to take for granted, what other writers like in Europe take? More about what can be done with that? And that makes it. Of course that much more fascinating it really does. A St Wells. is a man talking about. Time travel. Something that people have been fascinated about wherever we still fascinated bosses. You got people out they really trying to think that they can and supplemented just GonNa work scientists actually right now, five figure out time travel is even possible on the theoretical Einstein believed it was. The. Is Long around so I like the you know they have some special notes on. This is how we can do this but he left some clues on why it's possible. Hasty. Wells. Wrote a book. About time travel. And He had a lot of stark warnings for us about going too far out and what we discover. On too far back in, we're going to discover. Positive. Things on other spectrum. Ironically He didn't spend a lot of time. which other people did lay ron science fiction about abilities obedient and another time and place. In history and athlete doing something that would mess with that. And and if there would serious consequences for that. Because they are I mean I mean sometimes. History. Works out the way it works out. For the good for the bad. Because of humanity finds her recover from something and going in another direction. So many things that have happened and history that you know if we change what what really came out. I mean, really if you think about it. Think about. Think about Hitler people taken above wild killed him earlier what they have done. But they've stopped the you know the Holocaust from happening and if the Holocaust did stop from happening by doing that with that change, the state of Israel is your informed. Is. Not as such a emphasis in the For that after all of that has happened, you know those people. would have happened later would have never happened whereby just went back to their regular countries enact considered a valid concept anymore. All theft directions you can go despite changing a couple sent word to. Match all the people that are not going to be around all people that would be around. So it just a few things in history change could could incredibly change a enormous amount of things. And they'll ifa of you navio even. Though it's an concept to its apt to think about what the ramifications could eat, and that's really what you fall in. Not as much as philosophy was science fiction but ethics. Be Ethically correct if you had a machine like that. What the hell would be the point. Even, building a machine if you don't want to change something and change something what can I Say, no I'd WanNa do any of that mark. I disliked the neutral observer what the Hell's that really supposed to mean. We, we now change the issue book to something a little bit more detail about some shading thing we realize that really is it really that worth it the chances that we could have actually all through to messed up something who's to say somebody's not gonNA. Grow corrupt in the power of the travel out there and just things up burqas. You know. WHO's to say they're not going back you know. A couple of days in the in the future GRANDPA's lottery numbers and then coming back. Me Go play these now sit harm anybody. We don't really know. But. It does allow science fiction and the writing for people to. Really. I think taking counts. Many ways of not only their imagination, but maybe of their lives and what it does, how it affects people more. So than most other writing can beat and be done and I think it so so fascinating in that regard. humanity. We got a couple of Writers, is talked a great deal about humanity Isaac. Asimov is one of the One of the big ones that wrote almost exclusively about humanity and Ah Give you an example of one even made into A. TV movie call fantastic voyage, one of my favorite science fiction movies only because of how innocently entertaining it is, and also how much you learn about science in the human body is something about humanity right there. Okay. And Remember folks, I'm talking about books now thirty, forty, fifty, sixty years including the screen paces what else off I'm repealing anything you. I'm not gonNA apologize because if you haven't figured out. Check the sodden last fifty years I. Don't know why it's not my that's my fault. Spell if you learn about these books and you didn't get him whoops, that's the way it is. Okay. I got to do here. So. This government agency needs this important sciences. Or some projects that is doing. So, they tap into an experimental team that has figured out ways to miniaturize things although I hopped submarine, we interested scientists. S Laser beams. Go inside this guy's arteries Bhai being injected inside his body go there and when knock out at plot that he has who is brain and help them recover that we can use him for scientific purposes because the world's endanger without this guy, I mean that's really what the whole stories about. Next year. No. They're encountering things that he would just never expect. You know remember we have a humane we have A. System that. Doesn't invite strangers are kindly. You go from one area of the science fiction of. Fighting the real enemies of items you know those brutal systems at WanNa seal freedom and and enslave you with their with their idiotic ideas. So now you're going inside the human body and you got germs going apt bacteria, cells and in all. The threat of boat you'll. You'll actually go reverse on. IMMISERIZATI-. I- only lasts a long. So you gotta go in and do your job out because God forbid if you're not out the damn the mini-submarines GonNa blow this guy's body up as it comes out of it. So you got to get out of that. Thanks. Up Next to where you're supposed to be. So it's just an amazing a trip and trial and and a rotation about anatomy and about just human cooperation and and all of that, and even had RECO- welching it. So if you want to add that to science fiction on top of everything. A perfect perfect movie has everything. You'd want K. and science. She got some sex appeal over there. You get some education as luke laundries about ethics a every. So it's a perfect example of a great book and really a great movie they made from it. They didn't even Ronit it at all. It may be great, and this is way way before any serious science fiction as. Special effects came about Hollywood and new Lucas skywalker ranch and all that stuff and you know does your light magic and all that is way before all that stuff. So you know it might look a little hope he announcement onscreen but it's not hard to imagine doing and they did a really great job onto the circumstances though I definitely commend him for that one of my favorites. CHANCE TO CHECK IT OUT I'm leaving a lot of stuff out on purpose. Just. So you can get a chance, but you know some things we gotta talk about. Is Off, he talked about a number of saints. One. Of his big foundation series books is really about the All the of robots and can they be programs to not harm people? So therefore, people be so afraid that holds a robot with. You'd say take the world, but she will focus on John. Show. Here because his science fiction worried about that I don't blame them but not it is. So I mean he literally had that in his that he l.. Have certain commands a built into it that could be overridden. That would protect human beings that would not harm them and that saw the. A logic as quite frankly if you're going to happen animals. Logic like hot semi eventually, they're gonNA see the logic of. Hanging around these imperfect creatures at idiotic at times I'm better. I'm fast I'm smarter. Why do any damn next thing you know the shooting you killin you and and you Some you figured out a way to put that in this way robots. Consider themselves superior to us because guess what they're are not, but a robot wouldn't understand that because that doesn't have a heart soul and just has a little computer chip in and quite it's it's computer chip. You know we're less than it than it is, and this is what science fiction also teaches as well. About. How Technology? Can Be necessary and even courts especially in these days of covert and we had talked about that with an interview with a clinical social worker Tammi Smith inch we. Laughing, but we're also in Syria suit that in many instances, things shown us and how useful and valuable, and maybe even irreversible that technology can be certain areas. Now, telemedicine is like a other things to. The forefront that could be helpful to humanity and I'm never been against that I. don't like the dark side of it and we need to be always on hyphen that. We always need to be village in about that but the same point. Yeah. There's a lot of positive stuff like technology rate. Let's use that nobis against that. We just don't want to get to the point where. You know it's something that. It's something that becomes an issue later on because we didn't really think it's And then of course, we have the situation with. Way. Bradbury. Now his meant that wrote his his science fiction with the WE'LL, know human elements it. But it also has some unusual out with the how about humanity in regards to I, think prejudice and bigotry. One of his most important books The Martian chronicles. Again. You you get this, you get this twists that. You had no problem calling somebody else you know the alien or the. Stranger. Or the Martian whenever word we time to use the couch what Clyde to say, which is the upper something else and usually in anybody's language on earth the other the other something else you know using mean something bad nothing good is it means it's not hard where you're from what has to be bad who? You know he reminded us at what house when somebody else? Does that to us. Why don't you get an intelligent mason? Says you're the frigging motion. You'll do germ. You're the idiot you're the less than where we are. And you over here taking your better you think you worse. How do we feel about that? Never all that fun to be on the side. You know of being bigoted against. Is Not, not not some kind of a joyful a treat and you so you don't get any real intellectual moral exercise out of it oh. Yeah. I get that. Now it's really helps round Matt make me roll rail rounded Noah. Doesn't you just feel like a? Target or victim so. That book really mixed that very clear. We also had some interesting things to say about. Censorship with a Fahrenheit. Or One one. You get a book. That is shown society that had no problem. Destroying ideas and burning books because they didn't like what was going on I mean we still have an Parts of the world's right as often danger even to this day for they write that it could cost them. Their freedom will even their life custom, their family to be harms or costings things can happen. Because, people don't like ideas of don't like. Things you have to say, Oh, basically, they don't want the truth to be out unless they can do it in some way that makes it more palatable to them. They just as well to the masses something. That we talked to truth. At the reason why? And many instances. You know America and its way of life on either. Way It's even designed democracy. It would trying to do you know it's level S. On I'm bringing about people talking the truth and live in the truth and meaning they said the truth when he track down and destroy would harm by it. I mean we was still a an experiment in in the making was still a society moving you know in various directions at times not always in that direction I'm sorry to say but. Is Still One of our ideals just not really there yet. Now. It's kind of hard to. I've society that I'm was built on equality while simultaneously that has slavery. Society talking about property rights while they're grabbing everybody else's. So It's only now in the last two years or so I I would say that we're getting closer. To where we're supposed to be. Does that mean as be another hundred years later? I only know. But science fiction. In many aspects. Lease that eventually we come to terms with all these things and society because it wisely says and I agree with his whole heart especially with where Star Trek when the TV show and of course, the Aviv written from it. It was based on the foundation that. Earth Zabel the finally settle their problems. But if you hear about the issue of Earth Star Trek, you'll understand we had a third World War was a nuclear war with to jennings well, people who use used science to try and make other people and other people Ersan. So we went through a number of of military and scientific conflicts before we finally came to the point where we realized that we needed at the ever. Say. that. Were able to to put together a, you know a a space force into. Things outside of a world. Is. Much to export. Allah ideas like some of experts on the you know being great people. I mean God knows we know a lot about being bad people but also because it'd be good way to to learn from other races maybe other cultures out there and that's really what a saw was all about. Is One of the first I feel And even to this day. WHOA, forward looking. Television and science. Fiction. Scripts that wealthier because they had a sense of hope. At a sense of of positive play. It wasn't. It wasn't Disneyland. It was still conflict. It was still thanks to consider so consequences. Choices, and for your actions, you still had to command a up to people. And be responsible for for your commands now. So we still run as the expiration party, but it was also rented the military ship as well. sizzle. But. It had a forward looking view. A had rules about engagement at rules about out of St of the people and attitude of the species out of street life in general. That was it was that was precious and it was not something to be. Discarded because you didn't understand it because you were afraid of it. Though it really, it really put all those ethics in those values, things that we still figuring out a practice on earth. Would be nice here out in space. As I I've I've. Really have marked in my writing and and certainly criticize the many efforts to go out there and we haven't really resolved with down here I. I I it's terrible concern for me because. I can't see us have an early and contacts. And, that being worried about. The by projecting fears you know. Hours onto there's so therefore we're we're trying to steal from them of therefore we're trying to arm them destroyed them. As afraid. I'm not really sure in really offers them. Essay, they could get you from their planet there anymore fence. Does this mean that more Vance has biological creatures in terms of. How they can handle atmosphere bacteria all even more Orleans and spiritually today no more better at evolve to the point where you know the society is more stable than not you know trying to murder them each other every other day because they look different from each other and something you the all they all look the same. Is it a plentiful? They look the same, which is not like kind plant we have where prematurely looks different. Those questions we would have to know about. and. I don't know if we'd ever get all those answers right away but I still make choices about what do we do? So we make contact. To talk who try to learn from each other is what they learn. A dangerous abuse later invaded destroy us is what we learn from. Them could alter the you know the species here could alter the history and away we go forward. Nobody. Really knows at least science fiction really helps. The Try Galvani some of those ideas in some kind of working way that we can try to get around because those are extremely important questions. Is, people right now. That believe already been contacted. Believe those things out there already. That believed that you know spaceships flying around all the time. and. I don't say that this isn't true because I know on the theoretical thematical basis it's a real possibility. Do say is this. Whether it is or not. At. The moment. It could be something that we're gonNA. Face into the future and how do we? How do we face that? You know if we're still dealing with the. Issues of. In a pollutant on the place we live in. or or hating somebody because they look difference. In all or burning down somebody's building they have different faith in God or going to be they don't have any faith in God at all. I mean the basic things you society evolved enough scientific and nothing reached the stars. And we still haven't even settled most of the stuff at all. I know we're early impressed with ourselves. We ended slavery and our real impressed with ourselves. You know we don't treat women like Chattel anymore. And I know really impress US Araki's. Okay. Great. About so many invent some unusual throw up. April and we talk about smart. We are since then I'm not too impressed that any of this and the reason why I say that is because. We still have so much conflict going on. Still, have so much. Of the earth that we haven't even explored. What is still out there that we could be using the help of the planet and outselves out at we can use cures for the diseases. Some for all we know we caused by making contact with things that we probably shouldn't make contact with. Okay. All right. I mean. A hamburger or full fat burger. It shouldn't be too obvious here. Some things that does not meant to be. Okay. So you might want to keep that in mind. There's been the theory for the longest time. And I haven't really seen any evidence otherwise that our venture into the forests of places like Africa and South America. Could possibly bring us. You know diseases and viruses that we don't have any protection of because we never expose ourselves to that in the past. And while we there in the first place, if we're not there to just try to study and learn things rather than trying to take things trying to destroy things. You know who's not to say the these forests forgiveness something. I'm not saying that some supernatural way that they'd given us something to defend themselves differ erta salesman ultimately in the end that that's what's happening though we might be taking something from there. That would not prepared to handle. And have no way to really deal with us. It's only now that they've figured out ways in the last five years to even like. Partially contain Oh control AIDS. There's no cure still but. It's more manageable now. And and I'm not saying anything managing disease. That's important. Success People's lives God bless great. Now but. How about we figured out ways to not get these things in the first place and some of these situations, science fiction talks about it talks about all contact. With other things of the life. Of the cultures on the planet's hell other space zones where. Space could be in itself a dangerous thing she versus a normal space. In. Lots of people Einstein believes is that. If we ever do time travel has to do something with shovels well. So, there's a lot up there that we obviously need to. Learn. But I'm still of. The belief just like star. Trek at. This to fix some of the things with out here I am not anti-space. I'm not saying Fund Sob Fun Bat s the word these days amid like something that's funded. I'm not saying that a pink. What I am saying is let's just try to make sure that we have a priority and anyways I, think spacex Virgin and all these other folks that WanNa get involved in a private aces. Oh Great. I think it's great for humanity to for other folks build things rather than let some of. which is always done in a expensive and oftentimes it's dangerous fashion. where I think that they have a better chance to doing things because they have the picture of a budget and responsibility of I feel like dealing with investors and and so many ways sometimes of commercial entities things is a better thing for humanity. Maybe when we visit Mars Wednesday, it'll be of a commercial venture rather than a government and now is a government and commercial venture together, and that's fine that might last forever though. It might be the point one day where you know the government is simply. An oversight committee and provides the laws destruction that and everything else is done on the private basis, the training of astronauts to the building the ships to the building of everything. And it might be possible. We give them some money but our you know people at one day for whatever reason. So. That's a real distinct possibility going into the future but in many ways either positive developments and I think a lot of times science fiction shown this, we don't need. We don't need expensive government center in expensive places to do things when we can get it done cheaply and more efficiently, and of course, safely I mean look with SPACEX is done. They came up with designs and ideas. Mogi has before Aso certainly never came up with any ideas and it was a in the bucket compared to what NASA spent either don't want a shuttle. So it's just truly amazing and science fiction shows us the way. But it also reminds us. I reminded you now that. We. Still do with here on earth. And space travel whether by design or by accidents can't be allowed to just be a way to get away from Earth problems. By somehow we're GONNA magical become better. When we're out there, we talked a little et's and stuff. Hey how you doing there? Yeah. I'm from ARISTA murders and kill each other for a super reasons but you know I'm with you now because I'm not one of those people. Yeah, you're human. So you definitely want US came. All the good. and. All the bed. So take until we figure out what needs to manage the bed. At more of a stable life and stable government and even stable planet. Certainly some stable, you know ecosystems over here you know I it doesn't make a lot of sense to go out there and do all this. With the understanding. That is so much that nieces still be done here and I wonder. If those folks when they do this, even consider that. He asked him about that and they get defensive. Legitimate question acts and this is what science fiction can do on the the guise. Of Science Fiction of speculative writing. It could sort action those questions in let people explore suffered. Alfie like they'd be put on the spot with I feel like a market trying to hit somebody over the head because you know all their life they wanna be shining go up and do something. Good. Because guess, what does nothing wrong with that whatsoever. I just try to show you the bigger picture though. In the end. You know we can fascinate with these events. We can even be proud of him. But what does it say about US still meet we've you think about this with science fishing tries to say in the field softball ends. This is say about humanity. So excited about putting somebody in space. But it's still can't get fired excitement enough to make two countries join together and live in peace. Way. Can't figure out ways to even make. It's the Police Department Store Oh, it's military even this common citizens have some respect for people who look different. We can't figure that out, but we could figure added to people space comeback and land on the spaceship, and then on the platform perfectly, and we use it over and over and over again. That incredible complex thing? We could figure that out. We can't figure out these other things. What does it say was the say I I tell you what I it says it says that. Humanity. has enormous potential humanity it quits it's nine to it. When it makes something priority can get things done. So, if we can get that done, why can't we stop the wars? Why can't we stop the Bush and why can't we stop to the prejudice and the racism? Why can't we stop all of this sort of stuff now, I'm not telling you that one hundred percent stop out it'd be science fiction I'm from reality. Why can't we do anything to greatly reduce it as this avenue And mentioned this before one of the other chosen asthma since the end even in America of year, don't be too excited about US adobe to impress we put a set of laws in the sixties at stop people from being discriminated against and Housing and stop people from in and from voting and has stopped the busing of schools in meetings, more more equal charge of the education. An absolute. Did that was it? Okay I. Now, we've been lying to ourselves. So by the last six years ago in the media. And in nursery books not. Able to stop was and everything's fixed now. As. You can see right now. The folks who came that. They don't feel anything's fix. And they'll. They didn't have to march into civil rights to suddenly feel that they understand that the next step of what should have happened didn't happen. Oldest. Put it underneath the bed. It's all done with we got a couple of of black billionaires and we've got a couple of Asian billionaires and Some women who were shots and a a black guy was present. So good to go now what we'll call. And this is lobby absolutely problems because I've never done anything else after we did those laws. made the country more freer it less cumbersome folks like that. But that's about all it is people still retained. Obviously a still retained in their hearts in their neighborhoods and their families. Dole's old time beliefs. So. That's the truth of American. That's a true for a lot of places out there. So you can't. Am Sorry to burst anybody's bubble out there that's listening beyond America. You can't legislate way at kind of stuff. and. I stopped hate right our this law would be wonderful you can't. Now I'M GONNA make everybody equally. A law in there. Doesn't work that way. Takes takes a lot of hardy takes a lot of pressure. It takes a lot of persistence and takes a lot of time. After all that stuff's done anywhere. But if you're not devoted to it, it's not a priority you. You've fooled yourself to think that it's all good to go could pull right now. So what we'll call now, we don't know anything else. And then you the why you have these issues all over the place. So our advancement as human beings cannot just be. On the mechanical on the technological level. Because in the end. If we're not cancel. We will export all of imperfections space. If you don't think that would actually go up here and talk to Alliens and somehow we've stopped becoming racist stop on. Military minded WanNa take over everything moment of the day because we're afraid of something. Then, you definitely not been observing as the world or the history books this show or anything else. Agnew while living in caves. Denial is so easy. This talking to buy here, and this is what science fiction is talking about. Is greatly concerned about that because it understands that. And really. A nutshell. It's really no different. From building a wagon train. Them Kansas. To go to. California. Is Slow trip sure but. It the people. Who made this trip? Want a different life. Or they. Different, people. Can they become different people? Do they believe that the travel and the locations in that place is going to change them somebody efforts or this simply the same boneheads that lived in Kansas that simply moved. To California and this is where I'm concerned about where science fix concerned about on the philosophical basis. What's the difference between being a jerk on earth getting into a spaceship tomorrow's going back to being a jerk doesn't Dirk Moore's now? So if we're not learning. About how we're going to change as human beings if we're not learning to be better. In terms of judgments in terms of vision in terms of what we see in our heart and what we're trying to accomplish, and all we're doing is just another sophisticated move. Right and is really no difference. Than going ragging train in the eighteen hundreds from Kansas California. Or in the two, thousand, twenty gone from Earth Tomorrow's. It's the same crap. With doing in a fancy away now, more people can see it on TV. But who we sending over there. Oh. You Might WanNa. Say. Walk those who are brightest because say day pass math and they really good in science and. And Blah Blah Blah. Blah yeah. That's true on the intellectual basis I agree with that you just can't put anybody in this ship the so much they have to understand and learn about NASA annex about the universe about the even the biology of being in space I got all that great. But is that going to be us? That stopped those person from their prejudices from the things that they say since stop a belief. In anything that they've load on earth anything that be better polluted infected them with. So. That's why I mentioned about. Show. Also work about things down here too. You'll see a lot of that. You see a lot of that in science fiction where You have stories make it very, very clear. That it's really possible. Dan You could start. Another colony somewhere else and you pretty much does acting the same way. A example is highlands total recall made a couple of movies added either one of them in all that great both of them not to impress. Now but. At least help the point. About you go to another planet. And this case Mars. And you you just wind coming a dictatorship over there. Doing the same things you're doing earth I, treasure people era he's charging people water and you use some brain brainwashing technologies in order to be able to make them with somebody else that you can find a a rebel leader because terrorism is is reckon place because no, the government there is not built on equalities is built on exploiting resources. Wow. Does that sound like earth? Now Mark Were Morris Yeah Okay thank this call Earth do ninety as only. Mars to me if he just soon as same crap is year. So we see that a lot in In science fiction. And one of the things that we have to be canceled about science fiction is sure that made me a lot of parallels to a life insurer. There's a lot of fun to to work on these all these different examples, but in the end. Then we saw taking something comment because sometimes people science fiction I don't think as anything more than that swell. BOTs. Women would Thais goats on and laser beams and Blah Blah Blah Hey. I'm all for all that substitute. Okay. But Hey. Has It does have a type of message that's different than most of writing, I mean. You're not only going to get a lot of messages from from horror really. Really just about. Trying to scare you to a certain extent. On subtly by certain things. But, science fiction has a lot of messages about. Because he wants to know those questions and wants to see some answers to those questions. So that would not so enamored. Space Travel and machinery and token robots and computers and everything you learn from that two thousand and one ace Odyssey. ossie Clark at wrote at the things he was concerned about was. What if? Artificial intelligence turns on, US. Now, we've seen it from the Terminator Movie. So we have an idea how it can eat of. It's more subtle by two, thousand and one. where? It's it's learning to lie to US and slain to harm people, but it's not doing it in a quick fashion is the subtle and methodical dot it the next you don't realize what's going on. So you're like in big big trouble. Because what you thought you can count on you can't. 'cause that's the enemy up there. The incredible movie when the one of the greatest science fiction movies ever. And of course, the book is a is really really amazing. It's important point to make and he was a man that loves. Science fixing loved humanity. His Amanda that had wrote about satellites on earth and jeep yeses off before they even add it. So, ossie Clark was definitely out there looking after US and right now. With the introduction of out artificial intelligence, we need to definitely be cautious about how we're using it and how a smart enough to not allow it to be you know in total control of many things that could possibly put endanger. Now, it's as uses. Are I feel limited and we kind of live out somethings should be limited and that would definitely be one of them. Out. At the close the show Yep the last segment of the show really is about. Various spirituality and religion. And Science fiction it a brings it about a great deal. And Lot of times it's not so noticeable. You'll see it. If you ever watch the TV show Babylon five, they have different faiths. Or as ambassadors on this big United Nations spaceship trying to figure out how to get along when they have long histories of violence and conflict an and and bigotry. Sometimes. Inside Those religions. Are Not only the answers to. These problems that could have been some of the reasons why we had those problems in the first place. So science-fiction science-fiction always gently reminds us that. Our Organiz belief system whatever it might be. We have to be sparingly and how we use it and how we apply it to ourselves in world with the understanding that you know it could also in many instances, you know beyond be harmful thing to. Causing the people to become more bigoted or causing other people be. More exclusionary or even driving fear into people about things. So, it should never be an element that's USA control people, and this is where a lot of people don't like religion. Low Low always say, hi, still think that has a important element to Earth elements that. I really would not want to be on a planet. Or WanNa be in a in a future where we didn't have both science and religion other trying to figure out the troops of the universe and not incompatible motto anybody has to say. The actually working hand in hand fell allowed to. With each other standing that there's a boundary and to have some respect. alka sciences and have all the answers and neither does religion in fact, both of them. Whether. They admitted or not. You know rely more on guests working and and faith about certain things don't know everything. But. You'll notice it in that show Babylon five. We've seen some episodes on star trek about it as well. Certain. Philosophies, A perfect example stock character spock the ears of Oakland and we learned that. They vocals adopted the philosophy of logic. Mainly because it was the only way for them to stop being the violence species that they used to be in the past. They learnt that if they can adopt US logic. Understand things about meditation. Even, about mine melting to try to learn things about each other that that would keep them more honest with them not violent that we keep them stable so that they can build a society rather than where violence oftentimes erodes society is you know it's Kinda hard to be finally in stable at the same time. That's why. I sometimes is not healthy for civil society. It's going to have is out here and there but. It can't be ongoing thing that you can't be able that way. And that's what they did. They built that philosophy around that. I give them credit on the show that they'd make it like we're trying to promote. That's what the whole university and beating people up if he was optical but using it. As their way to interpret things in the universe and they would, of course, be always plex out. Came up to decision didn't use logic. You know 'cause I is of the motion. Why is of I? S I liked that missus back I guess that answer at Nea logic that that would be like alien for them. That would be ridiculous. I'm like what? Logically deduced that I don't know about the anything. But. I came up with it anyway. So as you can see from that example, that is you, there is a lot more one way out that you see things that's why it's never good idea. Give something hard time about their own belief system I left with the belief system that you know it's predicated on, you know bigotry and violence and something like that and you of course, you want to be able to say this that's not constructive at all but other this other system out there have nothing to do with that. Many times though. Science fiction really gives you the the good example of that is people will use these things for the wrong ends and and then they wind up becoming you know tainted people are looking at the wrong way. They but most disease they said, you gotTA representative of it or at least people who think their representative. You know acting poorly foolishly even acting vinyl. And what that does to the People's perceptions of that of that faith is it fair to blame faith when somebody blows up school bus children? Oh I don't know about that face. Are the. Now, what would I do know is this Though responsible for your own actions so Whether you claim that or not doesn't mean at that faces is responsible for it. So I wonder if we just need to be more. Careful about this you know using that brush on everybody. And then I don't WanNa do that because I don't think that's a fair way if somebody shot. About anything. Now one of the things that people outwear about in science fiction is Thomas Religion can be in it, and the s s best examples of historical was. You never hear anyone talk about that. So, this is probably the most religious science fiction. Grand is movie scripts or anything else that's ever been put out there. It has huge elements. Of Buddhism and even Christianity. Even in many instances, you gotta lot of. Issues about inches in there. But if you think about it. There's a force out there. A spirit force you might want to call it eight try to make scientific in some of the Star Wars? Movies me. At at a really helping, which makes it more confusing. So stick to the the spirituality, you put it in the movie in and. The people that using this This force whether they'd be better or they'd be good. This around the in the world has become superintendent article. I mean, Dr Fatal was unimpressed with technology as Lilly strangling somebody who is always across the roots L. People in I'm press this monstrosity you built it's nothing compared to the power of the force. And the Governor Guy. I think he thinks Tarkhan. Run over that that whole station station and it was in charge of it you know. told the calmed down stop killing his you know one of. shoop. Stare. But. You could see how nervous he was because even eat didn't understand that there was a spirituality out there except. Air Is that was a fact he couldn't deny. But they were also an about the technology. So was a very good example is how people that? As much as you can have all the technology out there. It's goo-good institute at in Yan's doesn't mean anything. You know if you haven't looked about what was going on in the rest of the universe. Our can be out there beyond technology that dispirit world is a possibility that nature was important down on these plants. Even, though you had giant spaceships shooting distance shooting at yet h belt is still fighting and wanted to be part of things. So you saw that you saw that install was. Literally. You'll believing. From the superficial part of the script and and from what you've seen in in the actual films that this is about. A bunch of. Guys and girls on good and on the bad side of force fighting each other and that's what the whole thing's about and missing the fact that no I it's really mostly about. Technology versus all the other things that technology can't produce technology cannot produce honor or loyalty or friendship or devotion to a cause or the spiritual elements force was. I mean hand Solo it was premature criminal atheists. That's pretty much how he starts out. Not, sure if he ends out that way, but you certainly starts out that way. and. Even though he's both those things, he's not a bad person because he's still a person of character he still has a sense of honor. And Him and why he's able to help them in the ends 'cause he's like, yeah. I don't WanNa be undecided these Turks even if I do steal stuff and a money to smuggle people cross here pro I'm just trying to eat in whatever. But. Even he suss understand that. Might be something more out there defensively marries a woman that has that as well. and. They have a child that has it as well. So. Definitely becomes a believer of of into a certain extent. But yes. saw was like copied the most religious science fiction movie ever made really to have an idea. Learning more about. How Technology Has Its place in society and has its place in the world has Alexey certainly does. In. The End. It's not technology that's the feed technology. It's human art. and. It's the the friendship of those at banded together to stop those at one steal their freedoms the one of the home of the planets they want troy entire planets and ecosystems with weapons because they think it's fun to show off their our. So that really is a big message on that. and. I never really find a enemy ways. Stall was like Sotrac just have. A more hopeful message. It understands that. oftentimes friendship. Even more important than own belief system I if you remember here. Okay. People have defied organized belief as some. Because of friendship. I mean Luke did it. And Can Star Walker. His father did it did it again? He's back to the inside. So, there are things that are deeper all of these things and also script on a franchise as really trying to tell us and try to tell the world that in the end. And that's why bringing up on the show this cold shrimp to you Herman. Stole was telling us in the very end. The very common denominator is. At love and friendship is even more important. Than The belief than even spirituality to a certain extent and certainly more important technology because of those things where they good or bad whether we use them good in bed to really equal the power. Of of love and somebody and don't stop because you believe in them or just the friendship that you have with somebody that, hey, these people on the right side. I. Like these people they're endanger I'm going to help they need some help I'm going to help them. Versus a you know a belief system saying, maybe you should help them. Let's go and do this. See. So not every technology, not every belief system out there. Is Always going to be stuck on doing the right thing or even is even capable of doing the right thing. But You As an individual. And do the right thing. Thighs fiction amongst many messages a has. Often focuses on the individual. The individual matters? The individual makes the difference the individual takes on himself. I can the perfect example of Dune. Another, very, very religious look as a science fiction group one of the classics. Mean it actually is Avi more religious in terms of its terminology, and it's an organized belief system didn't even stalwart stall was is smart enough the outage in certain ways and it's the cross Dune it's like right out there. Combination of you know Islam and Christianity and Buddhism woke up up in one. But Again One individual. Missile scientist and talks about the individual next a difference because in drill and tap into something that all those things can't happens who the human heart. That it could move things in society and move people because it has a soul. These things don't have a soul. And A it's a strange irony that organized religion can teach you about have you have a soul? But organized religion itself doesn't have the sole. It's on the individual the as. K.. If you believe in art, it's really really apparent at God isn't going to judge the religion. It's to judge you. How you went about things. And it's not going to judge you and how much you follow that religions much is on what you fouled. You'll conscience how much you followed your heart how much you use your soul to make decisions that sometimes not very popular. And, that's really what I love about science fiction won't anything else. It's still remembers. The individual. S The thought I want to leave with you about science fiction also thought I won't leave about real life. As we continued they'll face covert and face all kinds of other things in inositol citing. Let's not forget about the vigil voices at the Individual Mates. And the choices that sometimes individual makes because they're so worried about the collective for this award about society and General The even word up there group of people. I'm not really saying anything's wrong about those things but in the end. You're responsible for your choices. You can't blame somebody else. So even blame you on grouper planning of Amena blame the Aliens in space? Not. To be responsible for who you are. As a writer. As a science fiction lover as individual. Let's keep that in mind when we when we go forward over there even choices. That we have to make. During. The covert situation that we're dealing with right now, which it doesn't look going away anytime. Soon, I'm fully expecting see talk about the stuff next year. I, I'm trying to be grim suspi an honest and realistic. It's still GONNA be about. What choices individual makes. This keep that in mind is something to see your family members. You. Could spend all day long talking about the government. told me this. You know the religion told me that and the scientists said this in the philosophy said that. In all your conscious going to say to you one day when all that crap says stop in your brain is what did you say? Would you hear What did you do? US keep in. Mind Folks Individual With America's always been founded on. The power to the individual half free choice into have a life uncovered by all this nonsense we're not there yet. And so the rest of the world, not there yet either so not worried. About that, but we can be. But we can only be one restart respecting individual. The best way to do that sort learn respect ourselves and we can go forward. God bless folks until next time. This is Mark Anthony, Rossi. Toying with Tangent, science fiction in writing episode one, hundred and forty until next. Booth. 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Howard Rodman: The Great Eastern

Bookworm

29:39 min | 1 year ago

Howard Rodman: The Great Eastern

"Funds for bookworm are provided in part by Lannan Foundation it on and I thought Oh all this is going to be. I stopped reading these books. That are smarter than I am. I think I data it was on my birthday when I turn sixty on now sixty six and I feel I read for enjoyment now and so imagine my surprise surprise reading the great eastern that it's a book that's entirely once you get to a certain the point it's a disaster novel. It's a fantastic disaster novel. The presiding adventure was a disaster in paperbacks but also stuff like Jules Verne which was somewhat more elevated pulp yes but I wanna say my guest is Howard Rodman or as it says on the cover of the book Howard a Rodman and the book is called the great movie you end up with a book whose last May be eighty pages are pure shock and disaster. The French writer Raigmore Roussell who just loved Jules Verne and many people do Jules Verne brings even amusement. Did you know how to do that. Did you know you were going to do that. I didn't know I was going to do that. <hes> I abound nautical history and pieces of boats and I got frightened because I'm one of the people who loved Jules Verne and who hoped some day to have the popularity of Jules Verne was eh that some of the most aesthetic of aesthete's North Pole one eastern now. I have the feeling that I may have as usual read inside thought. Oh no this is going to be one of these Pinch Sean novels. I know you share an agent with Thomas Pinch on certainly do and when I got that idea as I was reading because as I say at first this book was dragging me along for some reason Hab Moby Dick's Ahab appears in this book and is known again and again. Is Yuri a different book than the book the author vote but that's fine. You know we all bring our own equipment to the pages. We read by the skin in my nails. It was great difficulty for me and then suddenly the pleasure of it took over them and I kind of wanted to address that now when I started reading you know awful lot about that. He belongs to all of us and that there is Melville's Ahab but each of us really has their own ahab inside and I got the idea that I was reading an enjoyable book. Instead of a book made out of off all their novels involving seafarers etcetera. You don't have to know a hab to know this book. Quick Wag doesn't appear MM SPEC characters from novel to novel so just when you thought you were saying goodbye they come back in another book and in Europe Book Pope in a kind of delicious and delirious way and there were all of the kind of <hes> lurid magazines and thousand leagues under the Sea. I never read the book and that one Captain Nemo is in this book along with a APP and need the tell me what drew you to this book. Howard what drew me to this book was having spent <hes> a childhood where sorry for me. You're a hab was both a kind of colloquialism but it was also my way of saying I'm the most untechnical reader you might ever want to know and I have to tell you another thing. I only saw the movie of Twenty Thousand Aac me and I think part of it is who doesn't Love Shelly winters on New Year's Eve in about that sinking. I certainly from K._C._R._W. K._C._R._W. dot com. I'm Michael Silver Blunt this bookworm. I wrote this book unlike the screenplays I usually write. I wrote this book about an outline. I was flying blind. I was letting it take me where it wanted to take. I like the world I found in books better than the world. I found outside of books and a lot of what I read was really popey because you can hide in. I don't remember even seeing the name of his ship. The peak want even once in the book. You're having a good time is what I think and you forgot forgot to tell everyone well. I think I assumed if I were having a good time which I was that that joyous. This would somehow find. Its Way to the reader but you know that that doesn't happen. You know that when it's paragraphs because the epic adventure was so much fun. It wasn't a go about reading them so these characters hand is going to meet Nemo and the two of them are going the great eastern is <hes> one of the first mammoth steam-driven Ocean liners when it was built and launched in find it offers up increasing delight than the other way around Michael. I would to tell us what the great eastern is reader. Lee Novel squared it was Howard was always a reader who knows what he likes covered as the spokeman on that I was having a whale of a good time in it and it didn't start that way. I thought who could do it. <hes> most people couldn't write this book right well. <hes> I think the thought that anybody else could write this book trouble for sleep but to tell them really like me to tell them that. These books that they think of is impossible. They just don't have the instruction manual for how <hes> a lot of the stuff that I think may have been this tough sledding for you is stuff that I genuinely love if there's fifty pages in I'm just I'm a slow poke. You know when I'm reading a Thomas Pinch on novel I get out a great big pad legal pad in eighteen fifty eight. It was six times larger than any ship ever built. It was invented by someone who actually existed whose name that you were sitting me down to talk serious. Well you know I would much rather that you start the book and then and I I am scalding you a little bit you scared you're reading audience and maybe even your editors by telling them miss with the English Empire indeed there was a poll that the <hes> B._B._C. did. It's a technical vocabulary that you can talk. I mean if you can say I'd lawyer arm mounting bracket. I'm happy I get it. I discovered sideburns and a top hat and everybody said what's Abe Lincoln doing at the Olympics opening ceremony. He wasn't a Lincoln. He was dressed as embodied that you were writing a book that they weren't going to enjoy whereas the further I read along in it. The more I call people up to read whole paragraphs and put them under the direction of the first great engineer. AB- submarines is to take the great seafaring novels Moby Dick and Twenty Thousand Leagues under the Sea and Marines. What if the spoke says what if when it was time to build a transatlantic channel of information sent what if they were laying down? This undersea was is embargoed. Kingdom Brunell isn't barred Cain Doom Brunell now. If you're me you don't remember that until to be under the tutelage of this brilliant man whose name according to these empty graphs is nearly synonymous. I mean semi because his name is just that unforgettable number two what's his name. Word Kingdom Brunell Okay and so what Howard has done Howard a Rodman the author of the Great Eastern and I write down every name and the page on which it appears so that when that name recurs I'm not going to be scratching my head and furling as is pointed out in one of your epigraph sounds like the name of a small country what was the name of the engineer of the ship the engineer and builder of the Great Eastern Undersea communication device. It's a really interesting story because under the sea as they say in that Disney song under the sea these animals are defecating on your channels or slicing them with their swordfish but I never thought that I was deliberately. Depriving the reader of Fleischer civic could wipe them over the head with it at the end being my brown and saying he's beating me already in among the on page twenty. I think that of my listeners like me to <hes> <hes> few years ago who are the one hundred most important. Britain's and ISM barred kingdom. Brunell came in number two after Winston Churchill mm-hmm is embarked kingdom. Brunell it during the Olympic opening ceremonies in London member Kenneth Brannagh had Christmas time. You have to hear a song that tells you it's beginning to look along like Christmas. That's how you know you see you. Source <hes> what we what we're having here is an attempt to divine the future using the most brilliant characters in fiction and they are seen as surviving the novels that they were in at the end of twenty to us via Telegraph and sure enough after six years the next book the Patchwork Girl Vase is written via telegraph the past ten years. Oh that's generous I think more than that yeah I noticed because you had a book called. The destiny express about the moral decision died whether they died veins or whether they died of well one mishap or another. We started doing the many friends I mean we all started to have friends who died when we were too young to have friends who the Great Eastern Dazs one of the best things that literature you can do it brings wonderful things back to life and and more than that it makes disaster it's like even though it was written in the past what over he dies definitively and why not assume that that second death was just as provisionals the first one and why not assume that Asian that Fritz Lang made when he came to America <hes> when he left the Nazis behind and began to make a different kind of movie not you were provisional. You know believe it or not Howard. I thought that I thought this is a book in which Howard is rescuing popular as the Oz books and so one bright child Rolt l frank BELLM. Why can't dorothy communicate really was not a good man but he didn't invent ause? I'm saying that my guest Howard a Rodman in his new book had a death at the end of Moby Dick is equally provisional and I think part of what animated the book was not the kind the Nazis would've wanted him to mimic <hes> and any rate the great eastern is a book that after at least ten years operations in literature unlike this when Mr Conan Doyle Arthur CONAN doyle decides that Sherlock Holmes is not us and so this book I thought was a huge rescue operation some of the best rescue rescues and gives us for any of us who haven't been sitting easy searle combs dying. He brought him back. L. Frank bound never wrote a children's book anywhere near as popular. You're thinking about the people in my life. Were no longer in my life. This may be was a way of trying to convince myself that their deaths to a to have people in our lives who died sometimes. They weren't even dead. Sometimes they just weren't talking to US anymore. They were some some of our favorite people and they no longer willing to talk to us because there was a problem problem with us but this APP telegraph from Dorothy back to Kansas and Frank Bom who's greatest act of imagination was on was and said look. This is a disaster book. This is a Al Land Ish disaster book by the time I mean the all sorts of terrible things about l. Frank bound besides us. He was demonstrably a racist. I mean he really a great disaster novel. This is as much fun on by the time you get to the end of it. As the Poseidon Adventure Thous Leagues under the Sea Captain Nemo Dies definitively couple years later in mysterious island there he is again and then at the end of that the book is over huge spoonfuls nineteen hundred miles long of copper wiring are rolling Rhode Island by sea salt. Would I lie to you about that. Of course you wouldn't. I've been told that Howard a rodman my guest was having trouble getting adding the great eastern published and I think it simply because no one went to the editor of the publisher or the ancient or whoever uh-huh it's basically tree sap trees. Yes go to purchase can help undersea cable from being eaten. You astonishes me. There are huge fool of comper. What does it tape in fact dead that there was a fine that he could catch and sure enough after all of those protests about ticky black substance that you use among other things to wrap undersea cables and to keep them from getting attacked by the salt in the sea tape covered with that stuff that I never can imagine called. Gutter percha wants gotTA PERCHA and we're GONNA percha. Is <hes> a sticky rolling out over the ocean connecting one submarine like vessel with another. That's been renamed the Nautilus and you may be you like me. I may not remember which boot Ahab is on but I do know they're getting awfully what in the thick of disaster and these characters on my dear Lord. They're getting stock in better. Get used to it or it's not that you won't be able to be a reader forget about that. You won't be able to live you have to live in salons the doors lock the water starts rising the atrocity starts to short in the risen water and I thought it was time to pull back from the smaller problems of interpersonal relationships. Wait to hear what you create over the course of a day and one very intense night sign up right now at K._C._R._W. Dot Com slash radio race boats and travel and adventure and the under sea and trying to connect to continence together but I think for most of the book I was thinking about the individual characters and their worlds and the things I'm Michael Silver bullet and you're listening to bookworm from the studios of K._C._R._W. The new and very beautiful studios of K._C._R._W. Don't you think things that befell them in those worlds and by the time I got to the end I sort of thought but some things are just larger than that. Here's a literary novel. I'm not gonNA fool anyone yes. The vocabulary is beautiful what you learn about. I'm Michael Silver Bland. This is bookworm and I'm talking with Howard Rodman about his new book gorgeous. Yeah I was talking with Howard a Rodman about his new book. The Great Eastern will continue after this short break hi Vanessa host of the Nocturne podcast and I wanNA tell you about K._c._R._W.'s annual twenty four hour radio race. It's a competition where the great eastern it's a literary adventure story that pits Captain Nemo and Captain Ahab Against Each Other in a battle for the soul together. Yes you're going to come out of the book better informed than you ever dreamed of being but at the same time better entertained looks as entertainments and I'm saying Howard those other books aren't as good as yours. Your book is genuinely entertaining chips in engineering and just say that no matter what you do the world is much larger than your imagination of it offals. We're being invited to be at home with harm. It never stops happening. It keeps coming actor and you better being wildly hugely entertained now you might say but Michael. You don't usually talk about books. It also marked the beginning of my creative relationship with K._C._R._W. Today nocturne is distributed by the station. The radio race takes place this summer August tenth with an amazing challenge and honestly one of the most common experiences of my life it was exciting and heroin and almost as much adrenaline as the one time. I tried parasailing. The producers make original audio stories overnight. The radio race is dear to my heart because I was a finalist way back in twenty fourteen along with Nocturne co-creator can spiraling and through the eleventh were asking producers of all levels and from anywhere in the world to participate and to make a nonfiction radio story based on a common theme. I can't wait all of the nineteenth century but that's just putting it mildly. What it does is say. Can I say so sure you won't Chris. <hes> life is far more frightening than we allow ourselves to realize moment by moment day by day. That's in the spiraling back then. I was just about to start Nocturne but I didn't have a lot of experience coming up with story ideas quickly and turning them around on a tight deadline the radio race ping both fists something. I don't do very often <hes> but you know when you're talking about the book and saying you know life is disastrous blooming. You should raise your hand in a triumphant gesture. I entertained if this were not radio. You would see me pumping book but I think there's something else there too. which is that life is also far more beautiful gorgeous newness haunting and then we typically allow ourselves to feel and experience as well our friend? Ricky Jay magnificent magician dyed gened the new expected to be and by the time I was finished you see I wasn't having a problem anymore. I was being uh-huh accused me of spoiling anything there. What it does is say that life is horrible and that when we read these kinds of disaster novels what a couple of weeks of four you completed the book and so one of the dedications of the book is to Ricky Jay. I opened the book the giants spools of Wire. There's very very very big wave that goes up and takes things in the ocean up and brings them down again because I had seen you at a memorial for Ricky Jay. I considered myself to be honored to be invited into that memorial. I knew him through Ricky. Jay and my mutual friends Francois's Mundi who is not as I'm Michael Silver blood join me again next time on bookworm. When Peter owner is our guest nineteen we understand that those are the things that may bring the world to its end. He provided this wonderful book that allows you. People don't quite realize that Dickens's novels century before fielding's novels don't two days later he was gone and one of the things that I have trouble dealing with is that I don't know age of steam and I think the people in the book all of them thought of coal and steam is how they were going to master the world and now in twenty nineteen due to understand the tragedies of our time while at the same time being entertained by them after all. It's a century ago. Then he wrote a very nice what they call it line of advance praise for us to use and then citing things about reading this book because it both exhilarates and causes you to more what better things could there be side by. I signed. I think you're so right and one of the things this book is set in the mid to late nineteenth century during the busy and I got an email from him saying hey pal. I'm in the hospital but it's given me time to read your book and Oh how to bring him back with words <hes> well you know in this book. You have a spouse the great eastern it's published by Melville House. He wrote an earlier novel. He's written screenplays. He was at one time president of the writers. Don't have wreckages like the ravages and the Great Eastern. This is the beginning of life as wreckage and it's one of the exciting who's also remembered all of us when we read this book. This is what I really think of the spoke. It reminds us in the nineteenth. Century here is that we're reading the book that begins the great edge of wreckage then we have left to do because we have to because that's what we're readers and writers for to be reminded of what really mattered to Ricky Jay's house and look at his collection of magic so yes indeed life is wonderful haunting and surprising actors Mario Diaz. I'm Michael Silver Bland join me again next time on bookworm us of our losses and sometimes those losses are very powerful and the only thing we can do as celebrate them because it's the only thing and then Ricky Jay. Don is one of the saddest things about all of this. I gave the book to Ricky. He was very sometimes. It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas but most of the time now most of the time it's beginning to look oh also available at Apple spotify really on the podcast services. You can listen on demand with K._C._R._W. SMARTPHONE APPS you can ask. I promise anytime you wanted Howard. I'm been talking with Howard Rodman. He is the author of I don't like a plane wreck. A train wreck a ship rat. Everything is getting wrecked and what they're learning imagine that special thanks to my co producer and Assistant Sean Sullivan Alan Howard associate producer the technical director. Thank you for joining me Howard. What a pleasure Michael. I am so glad to be here. You can visit K._C._R._W. Dot Com slash bookworm for a punt cast of today's show Chris killed. This list of achievements is very very long. I'm he was the head of the screen writing program at U._S._C. Thank okay you can access archives of all bookworm programs and podcasts the most recent ones at K._C._R._W. Dot Com slash bookworm the bookworm themes were composed the season host and performed by Ron and Russell male of sparks CBS funds for bookworm are provided in part by Lannan Foundation. This program is produced in the studios of K._C._R._W. Santa Monica is the art editor of The New Yorker and art spiegelman. Her husband who wrote mouse and whenever art was in town. I got to go over. We've invented much better disaster. Thank you for that reassurance Michael. Just kinda banking and I am. We are all book.

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07:00 min | 8 months ago

The First Investigative Reporter

"Welcome to hidden history. I'm your host kid crumb today. I I want to mention a name. You're probably not familiar with. Nellie bly why and then the name. You're probably very familiar with Jules Verne. You may even have read one or all of his extraordinary voyages journey to the center of the Birth Twenty Thousand Leagues under the sea around the world in eighty days but of the three it was the latter around the world. Eighty days that true the same question from so so many readers. Could someone really go around the world in eighty days. The Stories Chronicle of the adventures phileas fogg whose wager to circle the globe involves also him in one cliff-hanging escape after another. The story was first published in serial in eighteen. Seventy three and immediately caught the attention of readers who tried to guess what challenge Phileas fogg would face. Next fog started his epic journey by taking the Orient Express which departs from from London. He travels across France the Alps to reach Venice here. He moves on to Brindisi where they changed to a steamer that brings some across as a matter of training and see to Suez in Egypt. Rail and steamer across the Mediterranean Sea Seven Days Suez to Mumbai steamer across the Red Sea and the Indian Ocean thirteen days. Mumbai Calcutta Rail Three Days Co Cutter Hong Kong steamer across the South China Sea. Thirteen days. It all starts. PHILEAS fogg of London makes a wager of twenty thousand pounds with his friends at his reform club. He must circumnavigate the globe in eighty days or less or pay up. Fog brings with him his newly employed French Valet La to help him on the adventurous journey in around the world in eighty days. Fog never flew in a hot air balloon. The iconic symbol of the hot air balloon rolling became associated with Jules Verne's book in the Nineteen Fifty six film starring David Niven but it was Verne's book five weeks in a balloon published. Louis June eighteen sixty three where three Englishmen flew over Africa in a hot air balloon and it was that same book that allowed the French author finance the freedom them to write full time on November fourteen. Th eighteen eighty nine. Nellie bly set sail to beat the fictional record set by Jules Verne in his novel around the world in eighty days a daring four correspondent in Mexico when she was barely out of her teens. Nellie went on to greater renown now when she went undercover as a patient in a New York lunatic asylum in revealed the cruel neglect with which the mentally ill retreated her book. Ten Days in a mad house published. When she was just twenty three became a bestseller Nell as greatest fame came two years later when she set out to create or recreate? Felice fog's journey around the world. NATY DAIS dispatches to New York world as she traveled the globe job were read by millions. Bligh had already earned a reputation as the world's first investigative reporter and fearless individual her previous escapades including uncovering the plight of female factory workers and checking herself into a mental institution for ten days had been sensational adventures that introduced produced a new frontier of hands on journalism but her popularity was waning. This more reporters began to parrot her style. After reading Verne's his novel by approached her editor at the New York world with an outrageous pitch if he would allow it she would make the journey a document her experience for for the paper. A Journey of the scale bligh proposed was unprecedented by man or woman and although blind sister that she could undertake it without chaperone yeah prone the male senior staff at the paper. Were unconvinced of a woman's ability to succeed preferring to send a man instead bligh had her answer the ruddy very well start demanding all start the same day for some other newspaper in Albedo the editor in bligh planned ahead impact extremely light rather than the dozen trunks. Our editors derisively predicted. She would need to carry with her. Blind took along just a single piece of luggage sixteen eighteen inches wide seven inches high in a bag easily. Small enough to comply with today's airline carry on regulations. She packed a few changes of underwear. Where toiletries writing implements addressing? Gal a tennis blazer. A flask a cup to caps three veils a pair of slippers needle thread and some handkerchiefs. She packed not a single spare dress. Wearing only the garment she commissioned from a dressmaker made made of plain blue broadcloth in her only concession to vanity. Bligh did carry a single jar of cold cream. She refused to take a revolver assured of the world's greeding reading me as I greet them. She Departed Jersey City on August POURIA A ship sailing at thirty seconds after nine forty PM November fourteenth eighteen eighty nine ambitiously. She aimed not merely to mass. PHILEAS fogg round the world record but to beat it hoping to be on the road for no more than seventy five days and four hours bligh dispatched. What brief note she could to her nursed? I newspaper the world by cable though. She was surprised when the Italian speaking cable operator ask her what country New York was in her more detailed handwritten reports however travelled by ship. Slowly as she did her editors forced a string out the story to maintain the public's interest began printing reaction pieces from foreign papers in geography lessons on all the countries lie was visiting after eight thousand Mile Journey Cherney across the Pacific and two weeks of silence from the woman in the moment it was a relief to everyone arrived safely and San Francisco back on American soil blast last Dolly Bligh arrived in Jersey City at three fifty one. PM On January Twenty Fifth Eighteen Ninety only seventy two days six hours eleven minutes and fourteen seconds after she left it. Nellie bly retired from journalism at the age of thirty to get married she died. Nineteen twenty two at the age of fifty seven eh around the world with. Nellie bly was produced here at night all sound studio and brought to you by the Rogue Valley Metaphysical Library and al MM CREEK CABINET RIDERS GETAWAY AT AL CREEK CABIN DOT com. Check it out. I'm kid chrome. Thanks for listening.

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Female Criminals Bites: Suspicious Celebrity Deaths

Female Criminals

22:27 min | 7 months ago

Female Criminals Bites: Suspicious Celebrity Deaths

"Welcome to podcast crime rates. We wanted to give our listeners. Some additional content to help him dive even deeper into the true crime world every week. In addition to your normal email criminals episode were exploring the most fascinating true crime themes covered across the podcast network. We've collected short clips from some of our most popular podcast originals to help us explore ideas like motivation method and madness and show how interconnected the true crime world really is. You can find these original episodes for free on spotify over every listen to podcasts. A list of episodes that we used. We'll be posted in the episode description. Today we're discussing cases of suspicious celebrity deaths with the intriguing or around Hollywood and society's obsession but celebrities it's no surprise that celebrity deaths are often mired in suspicion and conspiracy theories. But why are we so intrigued? By celebrity death and why is the intrigue amplified when the death is unexpected? David Kaplan former president of the American Counseling Association explains that Social Media is flooded with posts when a celebrity dies because of the bond. We feel watching them. Onscreen Kaplan says that when someone has followed a celebrities career for so long the feel intimately familiar with that person's life therefore it can feel as if a family member has died conversely psychologists Dr Simon more believes that we are intrigued by the details of celebrity deaths because we feel reassured by the fact that someone with more money power and fame is subject to the same rules of mortality that we are whether it be suicide drug addiction or murder it makes us feel more secure our modest apartments and office jobs because at least for not them but what a celebrity's death involves some suspicious element such as murder or conspiracy. We're all the more intrigued due to what criminologist got bond calls. Thrill seeking true. Crime gives the law abiding citizens a boost of adrenaline without ever leaving the couch or being in an actual dangerous situation. We'll start our exploration with a clip from podcast original conspiracy. Theories that discusses the media sensationalized death of actress and sex icon Marilyn Monroe nearly sixty years after her death. Monroe continues to be a pop culture icon. Monroe's private life was the subject of much Hollywood gossip in the nineteen fifties. She was involved in two highly publicized marriages and divorces and battled addiction and depression when she died of a prescription overdose in nineteen sixty two. It was ruled a suicide but many believed there was something more behind her cause of death on August fourth nineteen sixty two. Maryland spent most of the afternoon in a room after having an argument with her friend and publicist Pat Nukem in the morning nukem state at the House for the rest of the afternoon at about three or four. Pm Maryland's housekeeper. Eunice Murray called over her psychiatrist. Dr Ralph Greenspan. She claims she called him because she was troubled by Maryland's request for an oxygen treatment. Even though oxygen was a well-known hangover cure at the time Dr Green soon arrived around three or four Pat Nukem left and green spoke to Maryland in her room for about an hour. Greenspan left asking Murray to stay at Maryland's house overnight and keep an eye on her Maryland took a telephone into her room and spent the night making calls to friends and acquaintances every when she spoke to agree she didn't sound drugged or depressed and she gave no indication. She was considering suicide at around ten PM. She set the receiver down during a call and never turned around ten thirty. She made one last call to Peter. Lawford her friend and the husband of Patricia Kennedy during the call she apparently drifted into unconsciousness and stopped responding at either midnight or three. Am She changed her story? Later in the morning Eunice Murray woke up and noticed a light in Maryland's room was still on but she wasn't responding. She called Dr Green Son who broke in through the bedroom window and found Maryland lying dead clutching the telephone. Next to empty pill. Bottles of prescription sedative called NEMBUTAL and a nearly empty bottle of another sedative choral hydrate. Greenspan called Maryland's physician Dr Hyman Engelberg. Who came over and officially pronounced her dead at four. Twenty five am the police were called. Murray Greenspan and Engelberg initially told investigators Jack Clemens that Maryland's body had been found at midnight creating a four hour gap between discovering the body and calling the police that none of them could account for clemens. Was Relieve by Sergeant Marvin known who sealed up the house until the full investigative force arrived at about five thirty when the investigators questioned them later that morning. Murray Greenspan and Engelberg all changed their stories to say that Maryland's body hadn't been discovered until three a m inconsistencies in the forensic evidence and the witnesses stories. Baffled the police but it did appear to be a suicide so they held off on opening an official investigation until the coroner confirmed the cause of death. The coroner's investigation went on for less than a week during which they interviewed. None of the key witnesses except for Maryland psychoanalyst. Dr Ralph Greenspan after speaking with Dr Greenspan the deputy. Da Leading the investigation said. He was completely convinced that. Maryland's death was not a suicide. The medical examiner's performing the autopsy. Also believe the death couldn't have been a suicide but despite those findings the coroner officially ruled the cause of death as a probable suicide over the past five decades. Even more evidence has emerged to suggest that Marilyn's death was not in fact a suicide. There have been repeated calls to reopen the investigation into Maryland's death some as recent as two thousand two should not be a close case. It should be an open case by the. Da There's too much too. Many people too much overwhelming evidence that proves that this was not a suicide and I think that Maryland needs closure the difficulty with finding the truth. Is that nearly all the key? Figures involved in Maryland's death are now dead themselves and the statements they gave during their lifetimes were often contradictory. Many of the witnesses who have spoken out against the official story have been discredited as liars fame seekers and conspiracy theorists despite evidence that they might be telling the truth and many of the people who upheld the official story had their own hidden agendas. It was in their best interest to end the inquiry into Maryland's death as quickly as possible following that clip from conspiracy theories. Monroe's death sent shockwaves across the media. So much so that the Chicago Tribune reported an influx of calls from readers. Overloading their switchboards. Many conspiracy theories about Monroe's demise have offer a wide range of claims. Some believe that. Her doctors accidentally overdosed her others that Robert F Kennedy murdered her but ultimately Monroe's cause of death has remained a suicide a celebrity taking their own. Life is shocking enough but what happens when a famous person is the one suspected of taking the life of another and what if they're victim is also a celebrity coming up. We'll follow a case where the perpetrator is just as famous as their victim podcast listeners. We realized that there are a lot of podcast shows to choose from each day and sometimes not enough time to sort through them all in our new feed podcast daily we filter through your favorite podcast series to highlight the most timely and relevant episode premiering. Each day every Monday through Friday. Discover a new and captivating episode curated specifically for you. That's one new episode from our slate of content handpicked with you in mind. Time is precious. And we've got you covered follow. Park cast daily free on spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts you can check out more podcast shows and full library of episodes in spotify by searching for podcast in the spotify search or by going to spotify dot com slash. Podcast now back to the show. We've seen so far how celebrities death can spark widespread public interest. But what happens when both victim and their suspected killer are famous. That is the case that our next clip from unsolved murders covering the death of Natalie. Wood in November of Nineteen eighty-one would felt like she had it all. She was a movie. Megastar married to actor Robert Wagner. She Wagner their friend. Christopher walken and boat Captain Dennis Verne had taken a yacht out on a weekend trip to Catalina island but as they headed back to their boat after an alcohol fueled dinner on the island Wagner and would got into an argument Doug Bombard was both the owner of the restaurant and the Catalina harbourmaster. He was also a friend of wooden. Wagner's concern for his friends safety. Doug escorted the trio back to their boat after some drunken stumbling. Doug managed to get the three actors on board but Robert and Natalie had both become visibly upset in an effort to avoid tension. Dennis Roberts Yacht. Captain brought the group to the Salon at the back of the ship and tried to continue the party. Doug rescinded the invitation and went home while Dennis made an effort to distract Robert but as Natalie continued to Converse with Christopher Roberts Jealousy overwhelmed him he confronted Christopher and asked him if he was trying to sleep with his wife while throwing a bottle of wine against the wall in a fit of rage. Christopher vehemently insisted that was not his goal in Natalie pulled Robert Away. Christopher left the room as Natalie and Robert began to argue. The argument lasted for hours. Christopher went to bed while Dennis listen nervously on the other end of the boat after some time Dennis decided to check in on them and Robert turned his anger on him which according to Dennis was so intense that Dennis genuinely feared for his own life. Frightened. Dennis went back up stairs and turn up the music in order to drown out the fight that was happening below him then around midnight. The fighting stopped and there was silence. Dennis waited ten minutes or so then. He went and checked on his employer. He found Robert. Sitting at the ladder to the dinghy curled up and crying. Dennis asked Robert What was wrong. Robert responded by telling him that Natalie had gone missing. Dennis found this odd for several reasons while the yacht was large. It wasn't large enough for so into truly go missing on board and Dennis had just heard Natalie yelling at Robert only ten minutes before. Dennis asked his boss if he should turn on the boat. Searchlight or call the coastguard. Perhaps Natalie had fallen overboard and they might need the Coast Guard's assistance however Robert insisted they neither turn on the searchlight nor call for help. He claimed they should just wait for Natalie as she was bound to return at any moment against his better instincts. Dennis listen to Robert. Robert was his employer and Natalie's husband. He thought that Robert. Probably new best as they waited. Robert cracked open a bottle of Scotch and the duo drank. They waited a full hour for Natalie to return but by one thirty. Am on November. Twenty ninth there was no sign of her at this point. Dennis insisted that they do something waiting. Wasn't helping them find Natalie. Robert agreed but he still refused to call the coastguard. Instead he called his friends in town on Catalina and asked if they had seen Natalie anywhere that night Roberts friends told him to sit tight while they searched the town. Robert and Dennis waited once more but by three thirty am. It became clear that Natalie was nowhere to be found. Finally Dennis Convinced Robert to call the coastguard. The coastguard was shocked to hear their story. And they rant to each other as they shipped off to find Natalie Wood. We're looking for the Natalie Wood. Do you think we'll be able to get her autograph? She's been missing for over three hours. It's freezing cold it's raining it's dark and they say she can't swim and lick. I doubt she'll be any shape to give a God damn autograph. The coastguards scoured the ways for hours searching desperately for Natalie. The Bright iridescent glow of their searchlights was slowly replaced by the rising Sun Doug Bombard the Catalina Harbor Director who knew Natalie joined search as soon as. He heard that she was missing at seven. Forty Four A. M. on November. Twenty Ninth Nineteen eighty-one. Doug's boat found something near near the cliff there. There's a dinghy on the Kelp. Slow the boat down from the looks of it that dinghy belongs to Wagner. I'm sure she's nearby but if she made it to land wouldn't someone found her by now. She didn't make it to land there bobbing on the waves. A Red Parka and dark brown hair in that clip from unsolved murders. After Natalie Wood's body was found. Her death was initially ruled as an accidental drowning. But the case was reopened in two thousand eleven after boat captain. Dennis d'auvergne admitted he lied to police. About the night of the drowning different publicly stated that he believed woods husband Robert Wagner was responsible for her murder he told police that Wagner was reluctant to call the coastguard to investigate. This led to the two thousand twelve amendment to woods cause of death from accidental drowning to drowning and other undetermined factors as of two thousand nineteen. Wichner has been named a person of interest by police but there have been no further changes to wood's death certificate and no arrests have been made while neither of the deaths covered in our previous clips have been officially ruled murders in our final clip from not guilty actor. Robert Blake was accused of killing his wife. Bonny Lee Bakley on May fourth. Two thousand one Robert and Bonnie had just finished eating dinner when Bonnie was shot sitting in the car outside of the restaurant detective. Ronald Ito arrived at the scene and Robert. Blake agreed to accompany Ito back to the police station for an interview. Edo asked Blake to walk him through the events of the evening they went to dinner at Vitelle owes. Blake reported that before they left the house. Bonnie asked him to bring along one of his guns. She thought someone was stalking her and felt safer with his thirty eight nearby. They parked on the street a little over a block away from the restaurant. The hostess sat them in Blake's customary corner booth around eight thirty PM AFTER THEY ATE. Blake paid the bill. His receipt timestamped nine twenty three pm but when they reached his car he realized that he left his jacket and the thirty eight caliber handgun in the booth. He left Bonnie to wait while he went back to the restaurant to retrieve them while there he asked for two glasses of water and drank them both when he got back to the car at nine thirty eight. Pm HE FOUND. Bonnie had been shot twice. She was barely alive. Frantic Blake ran to the nearest house and banged on the door. He had to try more than one house before someone would answer when they did. He insisted that they call nine. One one police registered the call at nine forty PM. Blake then ran back to vetoes to see if there was a doctor. Present Terry Lorenzo Kostunica. A nurse jumped up from her dinner to help but by the time they reached Bonnie she was bleeding from her eyes nose and mouth custom. Yadda couldn't do anything then. The lights and sirens arrived by the time. The ambulance reached the hospital at ten fifteen pm. Bonnie was dead on arrival. Blake then reiterated to Ito that Bonnie had pissed off a lot of people over the years with her letter scheme. She had plenty of reasons to think someone was following her. This was probably the work of some guy she bilked revenge. Ito wrote down the theory but also noted how quickly blake turned from visceral grief moaning on the sidewalk to trash talking the deceased mother of his child so far it appeared to detective. Ito that Robert Blake had plenty of motive to kill his wife and ample opportunity he also had the means. Blake owned several guns in addition to the thirty eight caliber. But the forensics team found no significant gun powder residue when they tested his hands and no blood on his clothes. Bonnie was shot at point blank range. It was unlikely that the shooter could've walked away. Free of any spider frustrated Ito sent Blake home. He knew he was missing something he needed. More information following the events of that clip from not guilty to men came forward and told police that Robert Blanket offer them money to kill Bakley in the months before her death lake was subsequently arrested and charged with murder ultimately he was found not guilty of Bakley's murder but after the criminal trial basically surviving family members sued. Robert Blake in civil court. He was found liable for the wrongful death of his wife and ordered to pay damages with the endless conspiracy theories and vast media coverage of celebrity death all the clips. Today highlight the intersection between our plastination with true crime. And our obsession with Hollywood and as Dr Simon Moore said it's perfectly normal to search for the sort of details about a celebrities passing because it serves the psychological function of boosting our self esteem even decades after they were laid to rest. These celebrities have television episodes movies and podcasts covering their deaths and the mysterious circumstances around them. Marilyn Monroe continues to be an enduring figure of Hollywood today. She even has an official twitter handle that shares photos and quotes for life. Though Robert Blake's film and television career never recovered after his acquittal he has been able to move out emotionally in two thousand seventeen. He announced he was engaged to his third wife. Sixteen years after Bonnie's death thanks for tuning into Parkhouse Cry Bites. We hope you enjoyed this episode on suspicious celebrity deaths. We'll be back next week with a brand new episode under Torius. Assassins if you'd like to listen to the episodes we discussed today in full simply search for a podcast original shows conspiracy theories unsolved murders or not guilty on spotify. That only to spotify already. Have all your favorite music. But now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy. All of your favorite podcasts originals. For free from your phone desktop or smart speaker and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. I'll see you next time.

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September 8: Fleeing the flames

As It Happens from CBC Radio

49:53 min | Last week

September 8: Fleeing the flames

"I'm Justin link host of the village from CBC podcasts for years men were vanishing from Toronto's Gay Village The community had always suspected a serial killer and in the end they were right called a podcast that transcends true crime by the New Yorker and recommended by the Atlantic and esquire find the village on CBC listen or wherever you get your podcasts. This is. PODCAST. Hello, I'm Carol and I'm Chris Hayden this as it happens the podcast edition. Tonight fleeing the flames, a California family lost a lifetime possessions and the roof over their heads Afra- massive wildfire rule to their town today they say they're just grateful to be alive pressed in class. We hear from teacher who says his Kingston Ontario classroom is positively packed and he's not sure what it will take for those in charge to learn their lesson a step closer to justice to soldiers have confessed to atrocities against Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar and Canada's ambassador to the UN says, their admission is vindication for survivors for a site calling itself piece data. It sure was sowing division an American journalist tells. US how he was duped into writing for a left leaning news site only to discover it was actually a Russian disinformation campaign count him out. We hear from a law professor in Washington who says he won't be voting twice in the US election no matter what Donald Trump says and you shouldn't either because it's illegal and work it a struggling actor was sick of explaining how he makes ends meet. So he met the challenge with an extremely catchy song vote how people lose interest. If you simply say you're an accountant as it happens the Tuesday edition radio that this time anyway has no follow up questions. In an area of California where wildfires are a way of life, this is the blaze of a lifetime. The creek fire started on Friday northeast of Fresno and has been devouring tens of thousands of Hector's engulfing whole towns in its path to make matters worse, the creek fire is only one of two dozen fires that have been sparked in the historically hot and dry California summer thousands have been forced from their homes and some now have no homes to go back to Nettie Carol, and her family have lost their house. In Big Creek California to the fire we reached miss. Carolina, hotel in Clovis. Natty at what point did you realize that this fire was getting too close comfort and you had to get out well, it was very small on Friday night around seven pm and we just kind of be watching it and some of the neighbors would come out there and we were just talking about it and it seemed very small but then nighttime came in from my home walking out to the streets all large. Orange Glow in a big cloud of smoke and I realized that was. A lot more than it had been three or four hours before how did you decide what to take with you and what to leave behind you didn't have much time to do that. Did you know we didn't have much time and so I got Our family bibles and got my husband's guitar and Actually I was able to get my daughter's school yearbooks. So what was the things you had to leave behind or no? Lost at the to regret? Well, I got my husband's guitar but I didn't get my guitar. And some some books and special books that I had, and you know just a special items that you just can't replace. You know the photo all the photo albums are gone that that we've had for twenty years are those are all gone? Let's The as you're leaving town, I guess you got it pretty good. Look at the fire I've seen it just just. Amazing images of the the look of it and people have mentioned the sound of those fires. What did you? What did it look like as you were leaving? So as we were driving up, we could see on our left, just the brightness of the flames and all the embers, and then periodically you'd see explosions of some kind and It was just it was so close. It was just so close and it was amazing how quickly the fire moved what was it? What was it like to be in that? Well I had my daughter's with me and and my husband stayed back at the house to help fight the fire and try to protect your home. And I was I was really concerned for him but he was he said he would be coming out soon it was scary but at at at the time I was just functioning as Okay, we need to get out of here and you know very little sleep for the past. I don't know how many hours and So I was very tired and kind of fatigued with all the. Emotional mental, toil and But concern for my neighbors as well. My friends and neighbors who were in the same predicament. Husband is safe. He is safe now. Yeah we were. I was very worried for him on Saturday because the the people who are still there in big creek were trapped they. They could not get out either exit and. The fire was sort of moving in. on them from kind of all sides but we had some great fire crews there. And some hard working people that just did a phenomenal job and everybody that was trapped. There was able to get out after a few hours so they caravan out the main road. Which is absolute relief because you know everything else doesn't even compare. To that, you know my husband was. There in not with us and from where we were in Shaver, there was. This huge news klier cloud looking. You know smoke plume. That knowing my husband was in the midst of that was was really hard for me to process. How did you get the news at your home had been destroyed? Well, my husband who was there? As, long as he could be there he was trying to board up, you know the windows and. He he's the one who sent me a message and let me know that Are was lost. How did you and your your daughter's react to that when you got that news from your husband? Well I had just gone and I was trying to lay down and get a fifteen minute power nap or something and I got a text from my husband and I was alone and Of course, I broke down that was very hard news for me. And after a few minutes I went back to his parents house and I. I told the girls. They were not sure if they could actually believe me but you know soon they. You know tell them what dad said and they're you know they're they're very resilient have a fifteen year old and a twelve year old and The fifteen year old was taking harder at first because she was thinking of all the. Just all she has fifteen years of memories there. Or just you know taking one day at a time but but a lot of our neighbors are in a similar predicament or at least being evacuated and. So we get to see some familiar faces here in in Clovis and that's helpful. Nettie I'm sorry for your loss of your home and all those memories well, well, thank you so much. I appreciate it and It is a very hard thing but. But. every person who? Has Lost their home or or is even certain? You know it's It's terribly sad and tragic, but it does It does help to know that we're all from the same community and we're all in this together and. There's just so many people throwing support our way and. anybody who's been involved in in this fire. So many people are donating items to different churches for anybody to just come pick up what they need, and so there's just an overwhelming amount of love. For the whole area. So that's been. That's been really redeeming. Not I'm glad that you and your family are safe. That's the most important thing and I'm sorry again for what you've lost and sounds like you're pretty strong. Well. Thank you We have a strong community and have a great God who loves us and we're just our church survived the fire and our little town square there. So we do still have things to be hopeful for take care. Thank you so much by nitty by. We reach Nettie Carol in Clovis California for more on the fires go to our website CBC DOT CA Slash Ai H. Two soldiers from the Myanmar army are on video confessing. They say they took part in atrocities committed in two thousand seventeen against Rohingya Muslims. They say they were ordered to kill indiscriminately and to bury the bodies in mass graves. The videos recorded by a rebel group surfaced a few weeks ago they've not been independently verified by the CBC. Now the two men are reportedly in The Hague in the custody of the International Criminal Court Bob. Rae Is Canada's ambassador to the United Nations. He was previously Ottawa special envoy to me and mar we reached him in New York? Ambassador Ray the video testimony from these two soldiers just-released. The content of it is shocking. What is it the importance? What's the significance of having men these soldiers confess Well I think it's usually important because we we had a lot of evidence from victims. Masses of evidence of atrocities government of being. There's always said, well, yeah, there's. Bad things happen but it was not deliberate or it was not systematic etcetera and I think the importance of this evidence is it comes from to people who've admitted. Who are admitting to to being perpetrators? And who are also, it's clear I think at this point that they didn't act alone they were they were acting in response to a system of command and his shocking is what they say that they which was to kill people, men, women, children put them in mass graves is that they say that those were their orders to kill all. You see matter who they are they significance is that they could actually I presume connect what they did with people higher up in the chain. Absolutely, right. and. These are not minor offenses these are. Massive crimes against humanity and speak the question of genocide in terms of its impact. And when ask you about how it compares what these soldiers are saying they did, how does it compare with what you heard from Victims Mahindra victims who were in those camps? How did they describe what they remember and how does it? How similar are these testimonies? Tragically they're very similar. I mean, I remember my first visit to Cox's Bazar in November of two, thousand, seventeen and and I sat with a group of women describing firsthand their own treatment at the hands of the soldiers which included rate and being witnesses to murder I heard stories from children. Children. Young people twelve thirteen years old talking about how their parents were killed I. I heard stories from people describing the murder of their brothers or sisters but I you know as a lawyer you you have to distinguish between the story that you hear. And knowing that you know getting that evidence in front of a tribunal is going to be difficult challenging. One of the problems we haven't resigned state is a lot of the the mass graves have been bulldozed over dozens of villages have been completely bulldozed over. So you'll have no mean that was done deliberately in order to stop people from gathering any evidence. These soldiers actually describe exactly where the mass graves are and the it seems that the testimonies they give of the locations match those of people who saw their loved ones being killed and put into those graves. These two men we understand are have been taken to The Hague as of. This week, what could this kind of evidence these kinds of details do for the trial that will be there and also at the International Court of Justice. Well there are, as you point out there to proceedings underway one is the jurisdiction of the ICC, the Criminal Court. and the other is interested Court of Justice. This evidence will be important for both cases. And that links to who else they are able to implicate or. Are Willing to implicate in terms of their own evidence. Clearly, if they've been involved in something themselves, they have to take responsibility for that, and that will be part of the consideration of the of the IC. But we'll also be the question of who else is implicated. As I say, the the consistent narrative of the government of Myanmar we heard. In December last December from sunset cheap was that bad things happen. But they were done by Roque Actors and they will be held responsible under under me and my law the reality is is people are not being held responsible and these two soldiers are going to be saying that they were. They were doing something which was part of a system of command. In, the testimony you gave when you were a special envoy for the story of the when you reported back, you described what women had told you about rapes and about sexual assault, and about the babies being born in those camps that came from those rapes. Did you hear anything in the testimony of these two men that might be able to corroborate the stories that they gave and further the case that you were making that that should be part of the trial? Well part of our intervention and the International Court of Justice on behalf of the Gambia is going to be focused on this question of deliberate attacks against women and children and I'm very had very proud. Frankly that's the government has decided to take that up. In our intervention in concert with the governor of the Netherlands. I think we'll have to wait and see the full story of confession of what these two individuals are prepared to say. Why do you think these men would confess to these crimes? I don't know I. Think sometimes people have a conscience. Things way on people. But they would only do it knowing that there are consequences to these confession they will have to be held responsible for what they did. What do you think it means says, the people people you interview people you met what does it mean to them? Do you think that these? Have confessed. Given the fact that there's been such villification Anka. Women and men who have come forward with their stories and they have been absolutely vilified in in much social media in me and Maren. Elsewhere, I think it's a very, very important vindication of of their story. Their truth is much as their personal truth, but it is the truth. and. Canada is supporting league giving legal support to the International. Court of Justice cases brought by Gambia do you think that we will actually seeing the course of the these two courts and they're investigating that we will actually see people high up people in the chain of command bought to account for what happened Well I certainly hope. So eventually these things break open this Shakespeare's that truth will eventually these things will come to bear. I'm convinced of that. Bassett Array. Thank you for speaking with us. Thank you so much Carol Nice to talk to you. Bob Rae is Canada's ambassador to the United Nations. He was previously Ottawa's special envoy to me and mar he was in. New York. Piece data was a left-wing news site covering stories that were quote kept hidden from the general public unquote, but it seems the site was also keeping things hidden from its own journalists last week facebook and twitter band pages and users connected to peace data from their platforms. The decision resulted from tip from the. That the supposed-. News website was actually a sophisticated Russian disinformation campaign. Piece data had recruited about two hundred legitimate generous to write for the site on topics ranging from human rights abuses abroad to capitalism. Jack Delaney was one of the journalists recruited. He's a freelance writer and he's based in Brooklyn. Jack How blindsided by this news at the site you wrote for is actually a Russian disinformation campaign. You know at first. I was completely shocked I'd had absolutely no idea that I was involved in this nor did I want any association with this publication after I heard about this so How did you? How did you get involved with? We're talking about a website called peace data or a piece data dot net? How did you come to write for them? So, I had received a twitter direct message on July a from the count named Alex La Costa Makusa, and he reached out to me saying, Hey, we like your work You know we've seen pieces around. We think you'd be a good fit for us. We're new progressive global news organization. We're looking for aspiring writers, and we'd like to offer you two hundred to two hundred, fifty dollars per piece to right for us and and upon talking further I was offered less money but was offered a weekly column to right for them. When they say that you were a good fit. What kind of writing do you do? What is your? What is the direction you take in in the in the stuff you right? So I typically write op eds in news analysis pieces from a left wing perspective, generally critical of us, foreign policy the United States healthcare system labor economy stuff like that but they wanted more antiwar anti-corruption and human rights style writing, which I was pretty come comfortable given my work that I had done. It seemed like a legitimate opportunity for me and it seems like a good fit at the time and how happy were you to get this Gig. was very happy I had just lost my part time job due to Cova men as a freelancer I can say it's very it's a very competitive environment off all new freelancers. All young writers just looking for a place to get their work published. I was I was ecstatic to have somebody not only one fine my work, but then get an offer out of my work you know. This editor who reached out to Alex Cousteau Kosta. Did you talk to him did he seem like a real person to you? So I never talked to them on the phone but I did go back and forth out you know one hundred or so emails and Celinda to start to notice that or suspect something odd about this relationship or about this this piece data organization actually it was a little bit before my first piece was published for them that I noticed that the Alex Persona had a strikingly similar profile picture to another editor of there's and at. The time I just chalked it up to being a coincidence I didn't really think too much about it, and then obviously looking back on, it definitely looks like a fake image, the two, but probably the biggest, the largest red flag for me was when I discovered that my work had been republished on a conspiracy blog that was pushing hydroxy chloroquine as a treatment for covert, which I obviously had a large problem with and this conspiracy blog is called global research, which has a really strong connections with Canada I. Believe. Correct yes. This story seems to have made this turn and it's been revealed. That this website was associated with the Internet research agency the Russian Internet research agency. FBI was the first to tip off I guess facebook that this is what was going on how closely is as you understand now is that relationship between the site you were working for and this disinformation agency? Yeah. So I believe they were funding the peace dot Org. At the editor's were fronts for operatives in the IRA. The Internet research agency. But what was in it for them? I mean, if people like you writing for it and I guess you weren't alone two hundred other journalists who got caught up in this what why was this something? That would be effective? What was what was the objective of the IRA and funding this? You know we're seeing a lot of authoritarians across the globe not just in the United States or in Russia discrediting journalists. So I think it was one in attempt to discredit. I think it was also an attempt to sow chaos and you know it's it's very fortunate that this got caught early because this was like a pyramid scheme could loop in a lot of people in a lot of aspiring journalists in really discredited them and really discredit journalism at large, and there's also their targets in the past the this IRA organization was. was very active and some believe quite effective during the two thousand sixteen campaign working to Discredit Hillary Clinton do you think that this was the objective to is to discredit Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. So I was never asked to write anti Biden or anti Kamala Harris pieces the three piece I wrote for them two of them were critical of US foreign policy. And one was an anti Cunanan anti conspiracy article that was talking about the origins of that. So I I had never been asked to Taylor an article to be critical of Biden her Harris. But there were other writers that were pushed a little bit more in that direction. You wrote in a piece for the Guardian. You said that it's it lost sleep because of this that you was confusing you were embarrassed angry. Emotions right. Yes. Yes. As an aspiring writer as an aspiring journalists I wanNA, build credibility I want to present my work in a transparent manner and and and be transparent with readers and. Audiences I don't want to be associated with an authoritarian regime being caught up in it. It was it was really concerning to me and and it wasn't a fun experience I'll say that. Jack. We will leave it there and I appreciate speaking with you. Thank you. Thank you. No problem. Jack Delaney. Is a freelance writer in Brooklyn. Aft. Verne Ed Quist saw musical notes as colors. He didn't talk about it much though as a professional piano tuner, he was ashamed of his sin Sesia but his most important client acted like it was perfectly normal. But then Mr Ed Quist was the only person Glenn Gould trusted to give his pianos the color he wanted. Vern Ed. Quist. died last month he was eighty nine. As a child in Saskatchewan Mr Ed. Quist was diagnosed with cataracts. So his parents sent him to the Ontario. School for the blind where he studied piano tuning and realized he had perfect pitch, he pursued a career with unusual dedication. To the instruments and their potential as to the people who played them in the early sixties, his employer sent him to fix Glenn Gould's piano but Mr Ed quizzed refused to rush insisting the repair would require serious work. Mr Gould appreciated his insistence and soon enough he hired the gifted tuner full time. In fact, he trusted no one else to tune for him. He insisted Mr Ed quiz be there while he was recording and canceled sessions if he wasn't. So Vernon Quist was there for nearly a hundred gould recordings including a Bach piece that would end up being sent into space on the voyager one spacecraft from a two thousand seven documentary on the CBC Program Out Front, Here's Vernet quizzed. As I've heard the rumble of the. Space Craft. Lifting. Off. The sound of my tuning going out into space with gleaned fleeing. I thought Gosh what a privilege here's a sort of. Farm. Kid from scheduling. My Gosh. Who knows who might hear that someday. I'm not trying to say I'm anything. But I. Think I gave him a voice. I gave him a way of expressing his music. That record is now about twenty three, billion kilometers from Earth Mr Gould's trusted piano tuner Vern Ed Quist died last month he was eighty nine. I am speaking to you at a moment of grave crisis. I'm Jeff, Turner and this is recall it's a series about history not the ancient past history that still hot to the touch. In, this first season, I explore a revolutionary political movement that brought a modern democracy to the brink. You can find recall how to start a revolution on the CBC, listen APP or wherever you get your podcasts. He smashed pretty much every billboard and streaming record that matters. It has already been streamed more than a billion. Times. People still to this day point to this is the moment everything changed. But whether you agree with those claims are not this podcast isn't really about him either you're not an astute businessman or you're inherently racist when it comes to black music in his country. This is not a drake podcast available now on CBC listen or wherever you get your podcast. Looking at the scene outside schools today things kind of seemed normal. There were school buses, lined up parents, dropping off their kids, a sea of backpacks. But inside those buildings, things are anything but normal across Canada provinces and school boards have grappled with how to bring students back while keeping them safe during the pandemic. Here's how a couple of parents told. The CBC felt this morning one from Nova Scotia the other from Alberta. Array magic sight because after. So longtime kids going inside but afraid to because the cases have started again increasing it's a mixed feeling your scared as a parent and uncertain. Cetin. Teachers are sharing that feeling of uncertainty. James Griffith works at a high school in Kingston. Ontario while many school boards in the province are following a hybrid model, a combination of online and in class learning Mr Griffiths School board and dozens of others has fulltime attendance. James Griffith taught thirty two students in his classroom. Today we reached him in Kingston. James How did the first day of school go? It was long but I think everybody seemed to deal with it fairly well, what do you mean? How did they deal with it? It's thirty to grade twelve students in this room and most of them seem to have managed to keep up with things at least for the first day I think it might be a bit different as we keep moving on with this five hours instruction every day on one single course. But there I think kids pre happy to be back and seeing each other were they wearing masks? Everybody was wearing a mask. Yes. So that was good to see what about physical distancing a with thirty two students in your classroom. Well our school put in some procedures to try to limit how much direct and indirect contact would happen. So three classrooms in my area all come through one door at the beginning of the day is to make sure they're not mixing with the other eleven hundred kids going through all the other doors go there. So that worked pretty well. But when you put thirty four desks in thirty two students and then there's not a whole lot of distancing between anybody when does the distance between the students? So between rows of got about fifty centimeters I've got seven rows and there's no distance really between desks in a row saw their. Back, to back the back, it's supposed to be a meter right? Well, originally was they said, two meters then downgraded to one meter. Now they're just like I don't think we can make it happen anyway. So we know that the air circulation is absolutely key to this isn't it and so what how was their circulation? The other windows you can open anything you can improve part of the building I'm in built nineteen, Fifty, seven, it's pretty basic bare. Minimum. There's no age fact. Glad. Windows in my class were lucky that way. So they're open is one direction though rice he can't get a cross breeze and with the windows open of got four lanes traffic and a major CNN rail line outside it gets pretty loud and September, it's not January, right? Yes. Oh give it a month in a bit when trying to leave the windows open at all times it's it's GonNa be a bit of a challenge. We know that high schools in big cities in Ontario like Tronto Auto Brampton there are rules in high schools at least fifteen students maximum per class, and there is a mix of in class remote learning as well and two meters between desks. So how does that? How is it that yours doesn't seem to be the same what is happening in your school board? That's different. When they announced the reopening of school plans by Minister Leche and premiere forged, they sort of split the province up into what they call designated boards, a non designated, the designated or places like you just mentioned, and they said for smaller boards like limestone distract here in Kingston is you're a non designated board so it's just business back to us what's full attendants all day so you can't possibly make smaller classes if it's important for kids in Toronto to have this distance did not important for kids in Kingston. Certainly, a question we asked is wire. Why are we just slaughter? Why is it okay to stick? Yeah. Thirty odd people in a very small room with the ventilation when that's not allowed to be anywhere. So you know if I go to a restaurant downtown Kingston I can be one of twelve people properly distanced doubt or if I go to the bank on one of four people out in there. But as soon as you ought to the classroom, it's just back to regular old school. The only difference being that were wearing masks and we're trying to keep her hands clean that thing is different as you mentioned, five hours a day of the same subject to tell us a bit about how you're supposed to teach right now. Right. So at the beginning, they say we're going to do quad ministers. So to subjects that day. So one hundred and fifty minutes in the morning one, hundred, fifty minutes in the afternoon and that was seen as hard to do but we could do it get through that and then they said, well, that's not gonNa work the change at the very last minute through everything and the garbage and weeks and weeks of planning and capable something called an Octo Mestre, which means that. All the students take one course for five hours a day five days a week for five weeks writing examine the very next day get back into their second class, and then you know Wash Rinse repeat do it for third class and do it for their fifth class at the end of January. The OCTA master is difficult as hard for me to wrap my head around I I. I can certainly stand here and talk for five hours if I have to but it's certainly not. What the kids need or what's good for them and trying to process that amount of information. Right yeah. Was Great Twelve Law and in essence I taught the first week of classes inside a day. Okay. So some subjects are good at some not so good at. So the ones that a student struggles with like say math. With fresh hell is that for them, it's gotta be very, very tough and I've been really fortunate I've got a great twelve university streamed a law class, and so boasts these kids are attentive and want to be doing this stuff try being in a gym class for five straight hours. Outside and it's raining. Okay I'm getting the picture here. So okay is it working? Honestly I don't know I can see that this is going to be a real hard struggle for some students. He simply cannot focus those long on things it's definitely going to. Drag some people down including teachers but doesn't it? The reason for this octo master is that you are with the same students all day I. mean you limit the exposure by changing classes and having a? Cohort and each class you go to is that not a mitigating factor here. It's mitigating in the sense of they checked off a box said we're looking after health and safety and under cove and situation, but it's not a realistic box before school they're all mixed buses that go to different schools and different boards and. City buses or whatever, and then at lunch, they're all outside hanging out together. So it's great that they have a single cohort or class all day while they're in the building but the second are outside of the building. All those rules just disappear essay to Ministry of Education Stephen Lychee was listening right now. What would you want to tell him? I tell him to stop lying to people on that fifteen students in our room is only in some situations and the pictures that he's shown on TV of really big spacious classrooms. It's not reality face in most of the school boards in this province, and if he wants to talk about all the greatest things that they've done for plans, come sit in my classroom for two days and see how that works for you. He said today Steven. Chu said that we will not rest until every single publicly funded school in this province has every layer of prevention in place. Okay well, I have a bottle of hand sanitizer some Lysol wipes than I've got thirty students in a room. I'm not sure what other levels of protection going to do here other than biohazard suits. All right. We get. Thanks James. Thank you very much appreciate it take by Youtube Black. James. Griffith teachers had FRONTENAC Secondary School in Kingston Ontario and to see what has classroom setup looked like today go to our website at CBC dot Ca Slash Ah Today Quebec's judicial council heard an apology from a Quebec judge. The council is considering a complaint against. Judge. Eliana Morongo five years ago. The judge demanded that a Muslim woman named Rania el-alul remove her head covering in court. In my opinion, you're not suitably dressed. Decorum is important hats and sunglasses for example, are not allowed and I don't see why scarves on the head would be. The same rules needs to be applied to everyone. I will therefore not hear you if you were wearing the scarf on your head. Just as I would not allow person to appear before me wearing the hat or sunglasses on his or her head. So what do you wish to do? Actually, I cannot do my scarf this. Since Long Years I'm wearing my scarf. I hear expand my kiss actually I understand but I will not hear you'll have to apply the same rules to everybody. In February of two, thousand, fifteen as it happens guest host Peter Armstrong asked Ranya el-alul how she explained what happened to her kids. So they were also shocked and upset. And they were sick especially especially, my older son he wasn't as me he saw everything by himself and. The he hugged me and he said for me for me, mom don't be don't cry. It's okay. He tried. But from in his inside, he couldn't sleep and then the second day he was he had an exam in college and I don't know how he made it but the. Other sounds also, they were crying Tom they're afraid afraid why? Because twelve years living here in peace and we were very happy. I have a good social life. I. Have a good friends by the way on. Muslim Christians other nationalities Different nationalities, I have a good relation with my neighbors I I'm I'm facing like this problem and not in a street it's in the courts in the court with the judge I'm not blaming all judges on only this judge what what kind of reaction are you hearing from people? About your case about the situation. Everybody. If you think what they faced and believe me, I'm talking not for myself. I'm talking for all people for all religions even for six people for Jewish men who are wedding to keep It's a feed them. So why not we I'm not making. For anybody because of my job so. I don't know. What the the way she did. It was wrong and a big mistake from her and It's hard for the harmful. That was Ranya yellow speaking to guest host Peter Armstrong on as it happens in two thousand fifteen. Today Judge Eliana Morongo apologized to a little in a letter read before Quebec's Judicial Council. She wrote quote my reference to hats and sunglasses was simply meant to exemplify how the rules of decorum are generally applied in the courtroom and was Mas most certainly not meant to disrespect either you or your beliefs unquote ms el-alul responded quote I accept her apology. This is what my faith teaches me unquote. It is illegal to vote twice in the United States that usually goes without saying. But in recent days, it hasn't because of some confusing comments by Donald trump the US president has suggested that people attempt to vote twice first by mail, and then if that vote hasn't been counted again in person as the November election approaches president trump has continued to speak out against universal mail in voting saying it will lead to fraud Larry Noble is an adjunct professor at the American University Washington College of Law. He's also a former general counsel for the Federal Election Commission and a CNN contributor. We reached him in Potomac Maryland. Mr Noble, are you tempted to take president trump's advice and a vote twice in the upcoming election? No I'm not tempted to do it and I would warn people not to do it because it's illegal to vote twice election. Can you just? Paraphrase or sum up what it is that Donald Trump suggested to voters over these past days. Yeah it. It changed a bit I last week when he suggested was voters in North Carolina vote by mail, and then go to the polling place on election day and vote in person to test whether the system was working a day or two. Later he started change a little bit and said, well, you should test the system by going to the polling place and asking if you've already voted asking if they have your vote that you mailed him. And that may not be voting twice but it is very disruptive to an election to have people going in who've already voted and then asking to asking at the polling place whether they can show that they've already voted. We know we have a situation where people are already nervous about going to vote because of covid. And what you don't want people who've already voted to go in start standing in lines and start asking questions when people who feel a need to go vote in person are waiting there it's it's It could very well turn people away from voting and it could also help spread the disease. Is it possible that people would be able to successfully vote twice that say they they got the male invalid they'd sent in. And they went to or or the, and then they went to vote in person without that vote maybe having been received yet. There's talked about delays in the mail system. Is it possible end up voting twice? It actually is possible somebody sent in the mail in ballot and then went to. The. Polling place. In North, Carolina you can check electronically the the poll worker contract and you can check electronically whether or not your vote has been received. But if your vote is received on election day, it can still be counted, but they may not yet have an updated. So it is. Possible that somebody will be told, but we don't have your vote yet. They know that they sent that vote in and they say, well, then I'm going to vote again and that actually could be illegal because they know they sent the vote in. And just because it hasn't yet been receiver recorded in the system on the day, that voting doesn't mean that they are not committing a crime that federal laws state law are both. State Law. It's violation of State Laws of felony in north. Carolina. To vote twice now wouldn't that be when to be a defense they could give is that the president told them to do that? I have not heard that defense I. Mean It'd be interesting to fence at the president told them to do it. That's That's not a defense. I've ever heard of that just because the president tells you do something illegal. It is you can't be prosecuted for now it might be something that you know court takes into consideration or and can take confusion to consideration, but it's it's absurd that the president is suggesting that on it is it's really putting people in jeopardy. He's doing this what I mean this other indications that he is discrediting, the mail and system. Isn't mail-in ballots would help him as well or perhaps even more. So why does he want to discredit the mail system? In reality I don't know what goes through his mind but you know it looks like is he's trying to discredit of the system where more people vote because he may have made the decision that the more people that vote the more more more likely it is that he's going to lose also discrediting the system may help him later if he does lose say that it was it was because of fraud because he's been talking about it for a long time that this will be fraudulent. He said that if he loses election as only lose the election, it's only because of fraud. So by discrediting mail in ballots when they are being used. In a number of states and they're five states by the way that have been using Mellon ballots for for a while now on not just in this election but by discrediting them than it may give him a chance to argue that the whole election was discredited. If he loses the election now there are there are a number of Republicans especially in house races and some Senate races who are saying this is GonNa hurt Republicans because a lottery Publicans WanNa vote by mail in ballot but The only thing I can think of at this point is it's really an effort to discredit the whole system of in some areas to suppress the vote get people not to vote but in other areas, just to be able to say later on, it was a fraudulent system. Now, we heard from the Attorney General William Barr who is. Attempting to explain what? Donald Trump was saying and he seems a bit confused by it but he says that he he would he to be trying to say is to to make the point that the the that he's questioning the ability to monitor the system that the mon- monitoring of the system is not good. That's that's that's just Donald Being Donald, and his own way trying to point that out is that a possible? I don't think it's possible. They've been claiming for a long time now that there's been, there's a lot of fraud in an elections in the United States and yet every study has shown that there is very little fraud. Elections and in fact, attorney general bar initially said that there was a case in Texas where seventeen hundred people. Thirteen hundred ballots were of were fraudulently cast by one person to turn to the person who prosecuted it turned out that that wasn't true. Story wasn't true. He never apparently checked with people Texas what happened and so there's just this real effort to claim that there's fraud when in fact, they can't show it. Time and time again, there have been studies done about it and it is really intestinal. The amount amount of fraud that has ever been found in federal elections. Yes. Occasionally goes on an individual case I mean people prosecuted for, but it is it is very safe system and I think it's really irresponsible at this point to keep citing non existent cases as reasons that people should worry about integrity of the election because it undermines people's confidence in the election. We won't even damage your noble. Thank you. Very, welcoming. Thank you for having me. I was professor Larry Noble in Potomac Maryland. The White House has said that the idea that the president is encouraging people to vote twice as quote yet another example of the media taking him out of context and white? House. Press Secretary. Kaley mcenaney said quote what he said very clearly is make sure your vote is tabulated and if it is not then vote unquote. What do you do? It's a loaded question, one and more and more people are urging us to rethink their loads of blog posts suggesting alternatives like what are your hobbies had spend your time? What do you do to relax some of the proposed replacement questions feel no less intrusive though when website says, we should ask probing Louis how do you feel your life has worked out so far like you're judgmental great. Schoolteacher come back to haunt someone but the thrust of the argument is sound. We do tend to place a lot of emphasis on how people earn a living and that can be tricky to rain for those who struggle to do that, take it from tick talker and aspiring actor Rocky Patera who spends his time coming up with inspired responses to that thorny question. Here's Mr Patera with our sound of the day. I'm a struggling actor but if I'm asked by a stranger what I do I usually end up telling a lie because there's too much to get through I, don't WanNa. Go through the motions of saying that auditions or a full-time job. I'd rather smile and simply state that I have a fulltime job as an accounting firm. As an account. Nobody. twinkies. and. Do I'm an accountant. Place, where accountants work. Jobs like my job and my job is an accountant. tiktok rocky patera proving the what he does is create good content. Now, accountants may object to Mister Peres take but his song has become a viral anthem for everyone from other struggling actors to sex workers. So clearly, whatever the Gig you'd prefer not to explain to a stranger rocky Patera is the man for the job. You've been listening to the as it happens podcast. 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