20 Episode results for "Vern"

Introducing: MANslaughter

Blood Ties

05:50 min | 3 months ago

Introducing: MANslaughter

"Let me tell you about the heroin. New true crime podcast called manslaughter. It's the spine chilling story of murderer. Suzanne store doc listen housewife who confessed to killing her husband in cold blood with single gunshot to the head. Suzanne call the police to report that verne. Her husband had been shot when police arrived. They found verne's murdered body slumped over near the bed and suzanne covered in blood. Suzanne was as charming as she was manipulative. She was always successful in getting what she wanted. And in this case it was getting away with murder but this might not have been the first time nor the last. You're about to hear a brief clip from the show but while you're listening be sure to subscribe to manslaughter on amazon music stitcher or wherever. You're listening right now. You can also been all six episodes right now and and free by joining one three plus in the wondering app a two. Am the village of oregon in wisconsin. A few thousand people on the edge of a small highway a few miles of streets like this one the kind of place where people take pride in keeping the sidewalk shoveled neat from snow. And it's cold. The calendar says march but the weather says january alone car whizzing by. There won't be another one for a while. It's probably some kids sneaking home after a night partying and madison. The big city. This is a small town but it's late night for someone moving through that big house. The light burning in the den snaps off a shadow passes the windows heading up the stairwell. You can see more than one person upstairs. Then there's movement in the master bedroom voices fat and we need right away. I don't know the perpetrator still there. I got but she did know that woman was suzanne store check. She was married to my uncle vern and he was murdered in the most elegant mansion in oregon wisconsin this is manslaughter and this next part is hard to hear hard to look at susan's call brought the police to that big beautiful house and when they went upstairs vern store docs body was slumped on the floor. Next to the bed much of his head was gone. Blown off blood brains and tissue were everywhere splattered across the walls and floor staining. The purple bedspread stuck to the floral wallpaper stark. An undeniable violence police reports noted it visible on the freshly washed underwear towels in a laundry basket. Some feet away. One gunshot from a high powered rifle ended. The life of a decorated war veteran and a career law enforcement officer laverne gerald store. Doc vert to family and friends verne's brutal murder shocked tout shocked. This whole part of wisconsin really and the wild part of the story was the identity of the killer because it was the same woman who made the nine one one call his wife suzanne and actually she told police she did it full confession first degree. Murder rarely happens but here it happened and vern. He was a police officer a respected member of the community. His death made headlines so you might think murder murder. A cop confessed expert defense attorney. Christine says that's the kind of thing that has consequences. If you kill a super nice guy who is a member of law enforcement because you were mad at him you don't need a law degree to no that's not going to get you out of it. They threw the book. Are they locked her up for life. Nobody gets away with something like that right well. No that's not what happened by nineteen seventy-one suzanne store. Doc was a free woman. Seat vern store. Doc was a senior official in the state government. So newspapers paid attention. Fourteen of them carried stories of his murder in wisconsin michigan minnesota not just in the days after for weeks for months for the next few years but nothing came of that. There is no sensational murder trial where a jury punished suzanne for brutal crime. Instead the news cycle diminished into a trickle of procedural updates. Suzanne said she did it there. Were hearing delays a new judge. The lead prosecutor. The district attorney himself handed off the case to a rookie prosecutor. Go on an army retreat. Eventually the charges were reduced from first degree murder to manslaughter. Manslaughter just the unintentional. Killing of another person no intent no motive no murder and that all happened because of a really wild chain of events. here's criminal defense attorney christine funk again but at the end of the day the legal gymnastics. Come down to sort of a perfect storm. Suzanne store docs slept just three nights in jail. She spent eleven months in a mental health facility. Men she got married again. Verne was suzanne's fourth husband. She buried five of them in the end. More about those guys later.

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MANslaughter

Analysis of Murder by Dr. Phil

06:10 min | 3 months ago

MANslaughter

"Hey dr phil here. I am excited to tell you. About the harrowing new true crime podcast called manslaughter is the spine chilling story of murderer. Suzanne store doc a wisconsin housewife who confessed to killing her husband in cold blood with a single gunshot to the head. Suzanne called the police to report that verne. Her husband had been shot when police arrived. They found verne's murdered body slumped over near the bed and suzanne covered in blood. Suzanne was as much charming as she was manipulative. She was always successful in getting what she wanted. In this case it was getting away with murder. This might not have been the first time nor the last. I'm about to play you a brief clip from the show while you're listening make sure to subscribe to manslaughter on amazon music. Stitcher or wherever. You're listening right now. You can also bench all six episodes right now and add free by starting your free trial of one plus in the wandry app two. Am the village of oregon in wisconsin. A few thousand people on the edge of a small highway a few miles of streets like this one the kind of place where people take pride and keeping the sidewalk shoveled need from snow. And it's cold. The calendar says march but the weather says january alone car racing by. There won't be another one for awhile. It's probably some kids sneaking home after a night partying and madison. The big city. This is a small town but it's a late night for someone. Moving through that big elegant. The light burning in the dense snaps off a shadow passes the windows heading up the stairwell. You can see more than one person upstairs. Then there's movement in the master bedroom voices voices and we need right away. Don't the perpetrator still there. But she didn't know that woman was suzanne store check. She was married to my uncle vern and he was murdered in the most elegant mansion in oregon wisconsin this is manslaughter and this next part is hard to hear hard to look at suzanne's call brought the police to that big beautiful house and when they went upstairs vern store docs body was slumped on the floor. Next to the bed much of his head was gone. Blown off blood brains and tissue were everywhere splattered across the walls and floor staining the purple bedspread stuck to the floral wallpaper stark. An undeniable violence police reports it visible on freshly washed underwear and towels in a laundry basket. Some feet away. One gun shot from a high powered rifle ended. The life of a decorated war veteran and a career law enforcement officer laverne gerald store. Doc vert to family and friends verne's brutal murder shocked towel shocked. This whole part of wisconsin really and the wild part of the story was the identity of the killer because it was the same woman who made the nine one one call his wife suzanne and actually she told police she did it. Full confession first. Degree rarely happens but here it happened and vern. He was a police officer a respected member of the community. His death made headlines so you might think murder murder. A cop confessed expert defense attorney christine funk says. That's the kind of thing that has consequences. If you kill a super nice guy was a member of law enforcement because you were mad at him. You don't need a law degree to no. That's not going to get you out of it. They threw the book. They locked her up for life. Nobody gets away with something like that right well. No that's not what happened. By nineteen seventy-one suzanne stock was a free woman. See vernon store. Doc was a senior official in the state government. So newspapers paid attention. Fourteen of them carried stories of his murder in wisconsin michigan minnesota not just in the days after for weeks for months for the next few years but nothing came of that. There is no sensational murder trial where a jury punished suzanne for brutal crime. Instead the news cycle diminished into a trickle of procedural updates. Suzanne said she did it there. Were hearing delays a new judge. The lead prosecutor. The district attorney himself handed off the case to a rookie prosecutor to go on an army retreat. Eventually the charges were reduced from first degree murder to manslaughter. Manslaughter just the unintentional. Killing of another person no intent no motive no murder and that all happened because of a really wild chain of events. here's criminal defense attorney christine funk again but at the end of the day the legal nassar's come down to sort of a perfect storm. Suzanne store doc slept just three nights in jail. She spent eleven months in a mental health facility. Men she got married again was suzanne's fourth husband. She buried five of them in the end. More about those guys later.

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Introducing: MANslaughter

Legal Wars

05:50 min | 3 months ago

Introducing: MANslaughter

"Let me tell you about the heroin. New true crime podcast called manslaughter. It's the spine chilling story of murderer. Suzanne store doc wisconsin housewife who can fast to killing her husband in cold blood with single gunshot to the head. Suzanne call the police to report that verne. Her husband had been shot when police arrived. They found verne's murdered body slumped over near the bed and suzanne covered in blood. Suzanne was as charming as she was manipulative. She was always successful in getting what she wanted. And in this case it was getting away with murder but this might not have been the first time nor the last. You're about to hear a brief clip from the show but while you're listening be sure to subscribe to manslaughter on amazon music stitcher or wherever. You're listening right now. You can also binge all six episodes right now and and free by joining one three plus in the wondering app a two. Am the village of oregon in wisconsin. A few thousand people on the edge of a small highway a few miles of streets like this one the kind of place where people take pride in keeping the sidewalk shoveled neat from snow. And it's cold. The calendar says march but the weather says january alone car whizzing by. There won't be another one for a while. It's probably some kids sneaking home after a night partying and madison. The big city. This is a small town but it's late night for someone moving through that big house. The light burning in the den snaps off a shadow passes the windows heading up the stairwell. You can see more than one person upstairs. Then there's movement in the master bedroom voices fat and we need right away. I don't know the perpetrator still there. I got but she did know that woman was suzanne store check. She was married to my uncle vern and he was murdered in the most elegant mansion in oregon wisconsin this is manslaughter and this next part is hard to hear hard to look at susan's call brought the police to that big beautiful house and when they went upstairs vern store docs body was slumped on the floor. Next to the bed much of his head was gone. Blown off blood brains and tissue were everywhere splattered across the walls and floor staining. The purple bedspread stuck to the floral wallpaper stark. An undeniable violence police reports noted it visible on the freshly washed underwear towels in a laundry basket. Some feet away. One gunshot from a high powered rifle ended. The life of a decorated war veteran and a career law enforcement officer laverne gerald store. Doc vert to family and friends verne's brutal murder shocked tout shocked. This whole part of wisconsin really and the wild part of the story was the identity of the killer because it was the same woman who made the nine one one call his wife suzanne and actually she told police she did it full confession first degree. Murder rarely happens but here it happened and vern. He was a police officer a respected member of the community. His death made headlines so you might think murder murder. A cop confessed expert defense attorney. Christine says that's the kind of thing that has consequences. If you kill a super nice guy who is a member of law enforcement because you were mad at him you don't need a law degree to no that's not going to get you out of it. They threw the book. Are they locked her up for life. Nobody gets away with something like that right well. No that's not what happened by nineteen seventy-one suzanne store. Doc was a free woman. Seat vern store. Doc was a senior official in the state government. So newspapers paid attention. Fourteen of them carried stories of his murder in wisconsin michigan minnesota not just in the days after for weeks for months for the next few years but nothing came of that. There is no sensational murder trial where a jury punished suzanne for brutal crime. Instead the news cycle diminished into a trickle of procedural updates. Suzanne said she did it there. Were hearing delays a new judge. The lead prosecutor. The district attorney himself handed off the case to a rookie prosecutor. Go on an army retreat. Eventually the charges were reduced from first degree murder to manslaughter. Manslaughter just the unintentional. Killing of another person no intent no motive no murder and that all happened because of a really wild chain of events. here's criminal defense attorney christine funk again but at the end of the day the legal gymnastics. Come down to sort of a perfect storm. Suzanne store docs slept just three nights in jail. She spent eleven months in a mental health facility. Men she got married again. Verne was suzanne's fourth husband. She buried five of them in the end. More about those guys later.

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Introducing: MANslaughter

Safe For Work

05:50 min | 3 months ago

Introducing: MANslaughter

"Let me tell you about the heroin. New true crime podcast called manslaughter. It's the spine chilling story of murderer. Suzanne store doc a wisconsin housewife. Who can fast to killing her husband in cold blood with single gunshot to the head. Suzanne call the police to report that verne. Her husband had been shot when police arrived. They found verne's murdered body slumped over near the bed and suzanne covered in blood. Suzanne was as charming as she was manipulative. She was always successful in getting what she wanted. And in this case it was getting away with murder but this might not have been the first time nor the last. You're about to hear a brief clip from the show but while you're listening be sure to subscribe to manslaughter on amazon music stitcher or wherever. You're listening right now. You can also binge all six episodes right now and and free by joining one three plus in the wondering app a two. Am the village of oregon in wisconsin. A few thousand people on the edge of a small highway a few miles of streets like this one the kind of place where people take pride in keeping the sidewalk shoveled neat from snow. And it's cold. The calendar says march but the weather says january alone car whizzing by. There won't be another one for a while. It's probably some kids sneaking home after a night partying and madison. The big city. This is a small town but it's late night for someone moving through that big house. The light burning in the den snaps off a shadow passes the windows heading up the stairwell. You can see more than one person upstairs. Then there's movement in the master bedroom voices fat and we need right away. I don't know the perpetrator still there. I got but she did know that woman was suzanne store check. She was married to my uncle vern and he was murdered in the most elegant mansion in oregon wisconsin this is manslaughter and this next part is hard to hear hard to look at susan's call brought the police to that big beautiful house and when they went upstairs vern store docs body was slumped on the floor. Next to the bed much of his head was gone. Blown off blood brains and tissue were everywhere splattered across the walls and floor staining. The purple bedspread stuck to the floral wallpaper stark. An undeniable violence police reports noted it visible on the freshly washed underwear towels in a laundry basket. Some feet away. One gunshot from a high powered rifle ended. The life of a decorated war veteran and a career law enforcement officer laverne gerald store. Doc vert to family and friends verne's brutal murder shocked tout shocked. This whole part of wisconsin really and the wild part of the story was the identity of the killer because it was the same woman who made the nine one one call his wife suzanne and actually she told police she did it full confession first degree. Murder rarely happens but here it happened and vern. He was a police officer a respected member of the community. His death made headlines so you might think murder murder. A cop confessed expert defense attorney christine funk says that's the kind of thing that has consequences if you kill a super nice guy who is a member of law enforcement because you were mad at him you don't need a law degree to no that's not going to get you out of it. They threw the book. Are they locked her up for life. Nobody gets away with something like that right well. No that's not what happened by nineteen seventy-one suzanne store. Doc was a free woman. Seat vern store. Doc was a senior official in the state government. So newspapers paid attention. Fourteen of them carried stories of his murder in wisconsin michigan minnesota not just in the days after for weeks for months for the next few years but nothing came of that. There is no sensational murder trial where a jury punished suzanne for brutal crime. Instead the news cycle diminished into a trickle of procedural updates. Suzanne said she did it for hearing delays a new judge the lead prosecutor. The district attorney himself handed off the case to a rookie prosecutor. Go on an army retreat. Eventually the charges were reduced from first degree murder to manslaughter. Manslaughter just the unintentional. Killing of another person no intent no motive no murder and that all happened because of a really wild chain of events. here's criminal defense attorney christine funk again but at the end of the day the legal gymnastics. Come down to sort of a perfect storm. Suzanne store docs slept just three nights in jail. She spent eleven months in a mental health facility. Men she got married again. Verne was suzanne's fourth husband. She buried five of them in the end. More about those guys later.

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Introducing MANslaughter

MANslaughte?r

02:44 min | 4 months ago

Introducing MANslaughter

"On a cold midwestern night small town is still a really good time after a night of bullying bar hopping a married couple came home to the grandest house in town but inside everything was falling apart just after two. Am one gunshot echoed through the subzero air outside a slender woman with loosely. Tied dyed blonde hair stood over the lifeless cold body. The right side of his head blasted away a vern store. Doc was a respected family man and former police detective. His brutal death shocked wisconsin community. And that night the first call his wife. Suzanne made was a confession to the county. Sheriff an open and shut case right. Nobody gets away with killing a cop. This is going to be very short. Podcast not a chance furthering away but the end of the day the legal nassar's come down to sort of a perfect storm of the door when she would have to take your mother. Well he has something got somebody else. Suzanne store docs spent just three nights in jail and went on to a long life. She survived all of her five husbands. But there's far more to the story years later burns niece. A university professor and author decided to dig into what really happened. And why what she found. Suzanne may not be the shooter and there are plenty more suspects. Secrets embodies in this failures. Past i'm molly peterson. And in my twenty years of investigating and reporting stories. I've never encountered one like this welcome to manslaughter. Manslaughter is coming on march seventeenth to amazon music. Stitcher or wherever you listen to podcasts. But you can binge all six episodes march third ad free by starting your free trial of wondering plus in the wonder app.

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A Closer Look At Self Rewarding Behaviour

Canine Nation

12:46 min |

A Closer Look At Self Rewarding Behaviour

"Welcome to canine nation audio edition. It's wednesday. November sixteenth twenty eleven. Canine nation is a regular feature column that runs on the life as human online magazine. Life is a human features articles about what it means to be human the good, the bad and the enlightening this column explores what it means to be human in our relationship with dogs. You can find it at WWW dot life as a human dot com to get directly to canine nation. Just click on topics at the top rate and find us listed under pet's complete archive of all of the canine nation articles can be found there. Hi, I'm Eric, Brad. Canine nation is about learning understanding and living successfully with our dogs modern animal training techniques based on behavioral science can produce mazing results in working with our dogs. Whether your dog is a loved family member or a working dog canine athlete or a trusted companion positive training techniques based on science can help you. Enjoy a more productive and fun relationship with your dog. Join us as we explore the many facets of living with our dogs and taking a fresh look at how we worked with them. Whether it's taking a closer look at everyday issues, we share with our dogs or busting standing myths about training and Doug behavior. I hope you find something useful in each of the canine nation articles. We're glad you're with us. Now, here's this week's installment. A closer look at self rewarding behaviour. Years ago, my wife, and I were introduced to a training term self rewarding behaviour at the time, my wife, and our Belgian to Vern Vince were attending agility classes, this particular training company had handlers and their dogs formed groups of three or four teams and rotate between four stations that included different exercises and different Jila Gylfi Queant this system required the dog and handler to wait their turn often for several minutes at a time during that waiting time. Our dog Vince used to grab his leash in his mouth and chew on it sometimes going right through it. This was identified by the instructors as self rewarding behaviour because Vince was deciding for himself what to do because he wanted to do it. That definition self rewarding behaviour seemed perfectly reasonable to me until I started reading more about behavioral science and the use of operan conditioning in training animals after learning some basic principles of behavior, the term self rewarding behaviour no longer made sense to me. There seemed a better way to express what was going on. And it also made it easier to manage as a handler one of the problems we face as dog trainers is the imprecise language that we use when talking about training our dogs. Not only can it make talking with other trainers challenging not having clear definitions can cause us to fool ourselves into trying techniques that are ineffective or worse. One example of this is how we use reward and reinforcement and their variations in relation to how we train the terms reinforcement and Rewa. Award are often used interchangeably by trainers. While they do seem to mean the same thing. They mean, very different things in different situations. The term reinforcement comes from psychology and behavioral science, and by strict definition means anything that causes a behavior to become more likely more frequent or more intense by this definition things. We don't often consider to be rewards may still act as reinforcement in making behavior stronger. One example of this happens in my own home. Over the years, we have left food items on our counters within reach of a dog's nose these occasional snacks for my dog. Thira have led to her becoming a tireless counter surfer who checks out the surfaces daily. Our carelessness was never meant as a reward. But they have certainly reinforced her counter surfing behaviour on the other hand. Many dog owners reward their dogs all the time without any thought to training or increasing particular behavior. We love our dogs and many times we reward them with a cookie or some playtime just because they are adorable and we enjoy their company we reward dogs because we intend to do something. Nice for them, not necessarily just a train behaviors. I'm pretty sure that being cute is into behavior. But I- reward my dog Thira for it berry often in my experience most trainers who use the term self rewarding behaviour a referring to unwanted behaviors being performed. Instead of what you wanted the dog to do. Or example, your dog is self rewarding by sniffing along the fence instead of coming when called and walking at he'll next to you the dog is simply choosing to do something that they like instead of what is being asked as someone who uses behavioral. Science to train this poses. An interesting question doesn't my dog always make the choice to do what I ask or not Mark and reward training like clicker training uses reinforcement to increase the behaviors we are trying to train the whole training approach depends on offering my dog something she wants that could be food treats lay affection or anything that she is interested in working for so in a very real sense, the proposition for my dog is this do the thing I'm asking for and you get this reward in this case since I'm using it to increase behavior. The reward is in fact, a reinforcement assuming I'm a good trainer and the behavior actually increases so not all rewards, a reinforcements and not all reinforcements are intended as rewards. So here's the confusing problem doesn't my dog ultimately decide if she wants what I'm. Offering or not in the case of training. I'm offering what I believe is a high value reward in exchange for her cooperation and learning the behavior. If my training is successful. My reward will reinforce the behavior and make it easier for me to get her to give me that behavior next time. But my dog must first decide to try to get the reward. This is where the logic of the phrase self rewarding behaviour broke down for me all those years ago. If my dog is always deciding to get the reward or not all of her behavior is self rewarding. And not just the behaviors I didn't ask for it may seem a subtle distinction. But my dog is after all Tuesday to cooperate when she responds to me when I say, come or sit tea is finding more value in cooperating with me, then doing anything else. This might seem like just a difference in wording or language, but as. I discussed earlier the words we use can be important to how we proceed with our training be usual response. I see when someone uses the term self rewarding behaviour in response to an unwanted behavior is to try and stop the behavior. If the dog is finding something other than the trainer more interesting. Why not look at the reward system rather than the behavior? Let's face it. The world is full of stuff dogs. Like consequently, there is pretty fierce competition for your dog's attention. I could spend an entire article on dealing with competing rewards, and I will. But for now, let's assume that on any given day, a smell or a sound might be more exciting to your dog, then your cue to come not to worry. There are things we can do as trainers to give ourselves every advantage rather than deal with terms like self rewarding behaviour, my wife, and I have chosen instead to focus on. Rewards management. We do the best we can to have control over what rewards are available to our dogs in any given situation. So if we are teaching a new behavior it's best to work in a relatively boring environment without a lot of distractions that could compete for our dog's attention, deciding what environment to work in can be very important to how successful we are in working with our dog. We also have a special tool we use history. Behavioral science has shown that the more a dog has been reinforced for a particular behavior. The more likely they will be to perform that behavior in the face of distractions or competing rewards think of it as a good habit to the better rehearse to behavior is the better our chance of success in complicated situations where lots of roared may be available. Or that reason we work on behaviors with our dogs while slowly moving them to more. And more distracting environments until I can ask for come or sit at a crowded park on a spring day. Without my dog running off to meet the poodle across the way, we've changed our approach. It's not a self rewarding behaviour problem to us anymore. When behavior breaks down, it's a rewards management problem. It's up to us as handlers and trainers to be aware of what rewards are out there and to prepare ourselves and our dogs as best we can. So that everyone gets what they want from any given situation by focusing on managing access to rewards rather than trying to control behavior, my wife, and I have worked out a system that sets our dogs up for success and keeps us focused on keeping their training challenges achievable or us. It's more about cooperation than it is confrontation rather than fight with my dog about whether or not they should be doing a particular behavior. We try. To manage access to a reward that makes that behavior more appealing. It just seems to be a simpler approach to the problem and it puts the control squarely in our hands instead of trying to change the dog's behavior. So they don't try to get something they want. We just make sure that we offer something more valuable or remove access to that competing reward. If we knew back, then what we know. Now, my wife would have thought to bring a toy for Vince to play with instead of his leash. She did eventually bring a ball to class for Vince, I should say, and we might have saved a few bucks in replacing leashes. But more importantly, she would have been spared. The frustration of trying to figure out why Vince was engaging in self rewarding behaviour instead of working with her eventually, we learned control the available rewards and things can sort themselves out pretty quickly. The next time. You see your dog doing something you might consider self rewarding behaviour ask yourself what you can do to offer something more rewarding that might change that behavior. Of course, there are things you could do to make the current reward less appealing like yelling at your dog or threatening them if they don't stop. But I believe that my readers are much more creative than that manage the rewards, and you can manage the behavior until next time have fun with your dogs. I hope you enjoyed this installment of canine nation, you can find the text version of it at WWW dot life as a human dot com. Just click topics at the top rate and finance listed under pets or click authors and click on my name, Eric Brad defined this and previous articles. That's it for now. Thanks for listening.

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Col. Vern Pike, U.S. Army, Berlin Wall, Vietnam

Veterans Chronicles

28:23 min | 1 year ago

Col. Vern Pike, U.S. Army, Berlin Wall, Vietnam

"Our guest this week on veterans chronicles. Us Army veteran vern. Pike Mr Pike not only served during the Cold War and Vietnam but is directly connected to some of the most indelible moments of our standoff with Soviet Communism Mr Pyke. Thanks so much for being with us. Thank you sir. Where were you born and raised her born in Philadelphia? Pennsylvania raised in three places in Fort Wayne Indiana New Orleans Louisiana Bloomfield New Jersey. Antastic Why did you join the service September nineteen fifty eight. And were you drafted or no. I was commissioned as lieutenant from from where Wake Forest University what you major in Soviet history. Perfect so When once you joined oh where did you? Train took off basic at Fort. Gordon Georgia Military Police School and what. We are assignments. Swansea finished training. Oh Lord Well my first assignment was to was to Fort Dix New Jersey. I was supposed to stay in the army for six and a half months. Active duty and seven and a half years reserve and I'd been accepted to law school and I had the good fortune to marry the GAL that I was engaged to while she was still in college. And I was a young lieutenant and so colonel suggested to consider stay in the army now that I had some responsibilities and he was right side. Stay in the army and got assigned to Berlin one thousand nine hundred eighty nine and that's where a lot of what we're going to talk about. happened so fifty nine set the stage for those who don't know about the division of the city and so forth and and where you were stationed the end of World War Two the victorious allies divided in Germany into four zones of occupation the Soviet zone American British and French Zones Nineteen fifty-six the western allies seated their occupation duties and created the new Buddha's reporting Federal Bubka. Germany and the Soviets created the communist government of the German Democratic Republic in the Soviet zone of occupation was the capital of Berlin which was one hundred ten miles to the east of the boundary separating. The Western zones from the Soviet zone and the city was divided into four sectors. Soviet french-british American and our function and responsibilities were to provide law enforcement and security for the American sector of Berlin and operate the highway control points from West Germany to Berlin. There was one highway that we were allowed to us so we had a checkpoint Alpha in West Germany and a checkpoint bravo in Berlin. The first two years of my duty in Berlin as a military police duty officer responsibilities included the operation of checkpoints. Explain CHECKPOINT CHARLIE. That happened shortly after the thirteenth of August of nineteen sixty one. The communists in Soviets sector of Berlin. We're faced with with a real dilemma. Because they had a famine that particular year. And if you wanted to if you wanted to seek freedom you've got to Berlin walk across the street and what was happening in June July and August. Sixty one is literally tens of thousands of. East Germans were seeking freedom and they overloaded marine. Felt a refugee center in the American Sector Berlin where they would come and would be flown out to West Germany to start a new life. And we're talking about the fleeing doctors lawyers engineers bankers salespeople craftsmen and to stop that flow of. They took the dramatic step of creating this barricade. The first barricade was not a wall it was barbed wire and that went up on the Saturday night. Throw thirty August sixty one and I happened to be military police duty officer when I got a call from one of our patrol vehicles to better come down here to Friedrichstrasse because there's something strange going on in the Soviet sector that might impact us so I went down there and I saw that. They were digging post holes. In the street Zimmer Strauss which was right on the border putting cement posts and in tying together with bar and of course the next day we found out there doing it throughout the entire city We then established a control point Because that was the only access point that The communist authorities would allow foreign vehicles and vehicles to process through to go into the Soviet sector and that became checkpoint Charlie Alpha Bravo Charlie for a lot of the summer from what I've read. You thought you would have it a fairly relaxed time. You're mainly worried about a golf course. Right the politics gets into the military to we had a new commanding general. That came into was an avid golfer. And I made the mistake of putting them off the record for him but I played golf in college and so the personnel officers gone through all the files of officers. Bingo out POPs. Pike and I wind up as the club officer the golf course to get the place squared away because the general wanted it to be first class operation and I was out there. Working in the CADDY's all came over from East Germany. They slipped through the fence. That surrounded Berlin was surrounded by East Germany and there was a wall around that as well. It wasn't just Berlin was to the Soviet zone of occupation and. They told me that they would probably not be able to get through much longer. Because there were these restrictions being placed on them. So when the CADDY's stop coming we knew something was up and sure enough. I was still doing duty officer work so that Saturday night. I was the duty officer and the rest is history. When did you actually notice the wall going up? I mean so we talked about the post and the barbed wire but when they actually started pouring concrete and what they were. The first wall was a cinder blocks. And that was I can remember. They had these engineers over there that by checkpoint Charlie replacing the Barbara with these cinderblocks and this worker looks over in. I'm far away from them as you and I are. Because here's the political boundary and there was the wall and he looks over up in Germany's late night. Light on vote in Barton's is is our bodies along some. What are you waiting for? Him was working to slow as I can. And behind him vocal at Sei people's police and he looks to the left and the right. He's got this machine pistol and he says lieutenant machine pistols emptied. There's no am what are you waiting for? That was around the first September so that was the. That's what it was all about. In the very beginning from. Barb wire cinder blocks and then later generations began the the serious wall. Let's go to October of nineteen sixty one because you were engaged in a moment that literally could have been the beginning of Third World War. Explain where you were and what happened. I was on duty at Checkpoint Charlie and we had had a series of incidents general. Clay was present. Kennedy's personal rep in Berlin. And he had been the the hero the Berlin airlift and he knew how far we could go with the Russians The East Germans The Communist decided that they wanted to force the allies to produce identification documents to them the East Germans and we refuse because we only dealt with our Soviet counterparts and general. Clay said they stop a vehicle the next time. This is what you're GONNA do well. They stopped available our Provo Marshall Colonel. Pollick and his translator walked over to the East and confronted. The Communist policemen bullets and said you know. Knock it off. We don't deal with you. We deal with the Russians. And if you keep this up there's GONNA be trouble. Came back said a vehicle over. They stopped so we then put together. Our police alert squad squad of twelve soldiers in three GPS to escort a US civilian vehicle with US forces plates and uniformed people inside and we were going to forcibly work our way into the east an armed escort. The rules of engagement were very interesting. I told my eighteen year old draftees. That's what they were young and young soldiers. You were the first unit to get the fourteen rifle you'll have magazine in the weapon around. In the chamber. Safety off bayonet unshielded. Anyone tries to stop. Shoot them those. Were the rules of engagement in one thousand nine hundred eighty one. We did that fourteen times on the Friday afternoon. Four o'clock I'm at checkpoint. Charlie and F company fortieth armor head a platoon of tanks that was Templehof airbase and they would come down as a show of force psychological warfare. They'd say a couple of hours and go back they to the tanks had just gone back runaway back to temple off and Major. Tyree was the company commander. He was down there. He and I were in smoking a cigarette and of little drugstore which is on the corner of Zimmerman Friedrichstrasse. And we'd look down through. There's bunch of tanks coming our way. He's good Lordy said vern. Get my tax back here so afternoon. Rush Hour and Berlin four thirty I head back towards Chumpol and as I get up to jump off the platoon of tanks. Were just turning into the temple and Captain Bob. Lanphier runs in the lead tank. I said Bob we got trouble. Checkpoint Charlie follow me back. And he goes Whoopi. Turn tanks around and we head back to Friedrichstrasse by now my boss. The Provost Marshal is at checkpoint. Charlie he's talking to general clay on the phone and sure enough those tanks are I mean. They're they're now they're in position and our platoon was imposition general. Clay said are they Soviet? Who's takes are they? We don't know what are the t fifty four tanks that much we know. Are They Soviet German colonel? We don't know because they've painted over all the bumper markings and all their uniforms and insignia of rank taken off. They had black leather jackets with black. Soviet tanker leather caps in general. Clay said you find out because of their German tanks. We go to war so colonel symbolic terms vern my driver and grover there and find out whether their Soviet or eastern tanks getting a sedan. We drive over pull around back behind the formation. I WANNA say there eleven tanks or two column fives and then there was one upfront and pulled in behind the last tanks and got out and was nobody around there. Were No vote that we're no soviets and I walked around the tank and sure enough. They painted over the bumper markings. I'm a twenty five year old lieutenant. Meyer orders are find out his tax there so I climbed up in the tank went down inside critic script on the intimate panel. That's Russian. The driver was hand enough to leave a Red Army newspaper so I grabbed the newspaper. Climb back out of Turret and is I'm jumping down. I see a whole bunch of soldiers up behind the lead tank. Obviously getting a briefing so specialist mccart drivers as cart go. Let's go briefing. We'll hear him talking. Himbal know so. We grew up behind the. There's about fifty of them there and I don't know what his rank was. He obviously was the leader was obviously an officer and he's speaking Russian and he looks up sees American. Mp's I didn't speak much Russian just enough to get along but I don't know what he said but I said Mark Art. Let's get the hell out of here. So we got in the car. Went back to check. Charleen my Colonel Said. Who's tanks the Soviets are so I told you did what I said? Sorry he told me to find out who? Here's the Red Army newspaper. Their Soviet he's here you tell General Clay Sir lieutenant by their Soviet tanks and told the general who's tanks they were it must have been two or three seconds to me was like an hour and a half pause and he said thank you lieutenant. Let me talk to your colonel again. The significance of that exchange was that clay forced the Soviets to find the recognize that they were responsible to secure their sector. Like we were hours and not not the football. That was an exciting time. No problems after that. Oh Yeah we had a lot of a lot of a lot of problems with our Soviet allies. What are you thinking? What's going through your mind when somebody tells you this could be the start of a new war if it's an East German tank as you're heading over there getting ready to investigate. What are you thinking? I've been asked that question a lot of times and my honest response to you is that I was more concerned about my duty to do it. I was told to do and the implications of what we were about to do. Really didn't register with me. My task was my task was to identify those times. We knew they were teeth. Fifty fours but I had to. I had to tell my colonel. They were Soviet tanks or East German tanks and that was my focus and you mentioned that there were some more skirmishes. I was literally a tug of war over someone trying to leave. East Berlin I up. We had observation post in the in the top floor of this apartment building. That was on the corner of Zimmer Strauss and Friedrichstrasse and I was unfortunately maybe fortunately but I was up there in the observation post with my soldiers and there was an individual who is a teacher in East Berlin highschool and he'd gotten a an old world war. Ii Jacket with corporal stripes on eight Airforce Patch and he took two pieces of brass disks and with a nail he etched us in them and attach them to was caller. And he's walking down Friedrichstrasse. And he's saluting the Volvos an ursuline back and he gets to this white line which was the political boundary between Berlin Mitte and Berlin Kreutzburg and he collapsed. Well he's to vocals remember the is trying to fleece grabbed him by the feet to pull him back into East Berlin. I had to NPR's that were right there on the white line. Just you know standing there. Doing they grab him by the shoulders. And they got a tug of war on and my my sergeant. John dudek comes out of the checkpoint building and runs up. There takes out his. Mp Billy Club the BOPs the to vote over the head they go out to. Mp's hall this Guy Into West Berlin and we turn them over the Berlin police. But I was all I could do was watch my soldiers. They were magnificent. Amazing to stay in the West. I assume so because we turn them over to the Berlin police and they they sent him immediately to. I'm sure Marine Feld refugee senator. You must have had quite a few conversations with those guys after that. It's a I put them in for a metal the they did not get the metal that in February of one thousand nine hundred sixty two. You have another interesting moment at a place. That's gotten much more famous. Now because of bridges spies. Yeah four o'clock on again. A Friday afternoon Colonel Symbolic calls me into his office and he said Vern. I want all the Germans out of Pro Marshall Office N. P. Station German civilian workers secretaries whatnot German police. He went out. We find me about quarter to five. Got them out. Don't tell German. Leave an hour and a half early. I mean they finally got them out and three civilians came in and went downstairs into our attention cell area and one of them was put in the detention. Sell them to others. Were sitting outside entire night the next morning at eight thirty. I get a call. I was duty officer that day. Colonel Bolic's vern take me to Alpha Ten. Which was the Freedom Bridge we got to ten and he said all those border policemen West Berlin work. Policemen put them in the guard shack on the floor of the can't look out did and in about twenty minutes a there was a telephone in the guard. Check my sergeant at Checkpoint Charlie. I knew nothing about this. But I'm certainly Sergeant Clinton I've I've forgotten his name we he said The student has been released so I motioned to colonel symbolic and I did this in the three people. Get Out of. The program Marshall's car and they walk out. The middle of the bridge and three people came from the Soviet side. We walked out in the middle of the bridge exchange. The two in the middle. The three came back. Got In colonel. Sabaot car says take me to temple HOF ASEP morning rush-hour now it's about twenty miles from the Freedom Bridge Templehof the other side of Berlin so we finally get top off air base and the hangar. There's an overhang Templehof and the airplane underneath that. And the propellers turning and these three guys go run up the steps and my colonels who that is. I said no sir. That's scary powers. Colonel Abel guest on our hotel that triggers evening. And I'll tell you it was a magnificent operation. No one in Berlin in the military chain of command or the medic. Janet come in knew anything about that operation. It was incredible. It was perfect. Nobody knew anything about except my colonel this problem and apparently he got the call from the CIA station. Cheap you know Bob and said they were good. And that's what happened. It was. It was quite an operation. It's amazing powers of course was the famous youtube pilot. Who was shot down over the Soviet Union? How long did you stay in Berlin man? I stayed until October of Nineteen Sixty. Two came back to the states resigned. My Commission got out of the army and worked a went into the pharmaceutical industry. And my wife and I woke up one morning and said you know all the things that we thought. We didn't like that the military we find same thing out here so we enjoyed what we're doing in the military so I request recall to active duty. The October Cuban missile crisis had just finished up and I went back on active duty state for thirty years. Why don't you go to Vietnam? My first time was nineteen sixty five sixty six. I was a company commander. I had Employees in fourteen locations in Vietnam. We were outside of Saigon. We were the only season in Vietnam that I cherish that assignment because it was in a combat environment and my soldiers were draftees are later commanded a battalion volunteers in Germany and a brigade of volunteers in Germany in the eighties. The late seventies and early eighties. I'll take that company a draftees any day. That were wonderful citizens madame so good their nation called and they came from every walk of life. Phd's guys at never graduated high school. And they they meshed they. They had a sense of urgency about nineteen sixty five. The Viet Cong were on the run. I left in sixty six. We could have declared a military victory and Komo but they were. That were focused. They were dedicated. They were there were mission oriented and they serve their country for two years and got on with their lives and the second tour nineteen seventy seventy. One was totally different. It was towards the end of the conflict and it was like a bunch of rats fleeing a sinking ship. Nobody wanted to be last one out very difficult as a talion executive officer for six months and then went to the division Pro Marshall Office in the American Division. I would rather not talk about that. Well let's lighten the mood because story you're telling us Just before we started taping is that you are at a a Uso show starring. Great Bob hope and something very special happened yes My Dad was technical director of the Bob. Hope show on NBC. Television and Mr Hope comes to Vietnam every year and this was December. One Thousand Nine Hundred Seventy and one of DAD's engineers accompanied Mr Hope on the tour. My father said if you can't get my son to say hi to Bob Hope. Don't bother coming back so helicopter landowner firebase and they took me over freedom. Hill and denying to the Bob Hope. Show took me up on the stage. Say Hi to Bob. He puts his arm over my shoulder and says boy. You've grown. Since I saw you last we were just making small talk about my dad. Used to bring Bob Hope and Les Brown out to the House for dinner. Because my mom's a great cook and this got out the hotel and out of the you know the commercial eateries and we were just recounting those things it was. It was very very nice. He's a wonderful wonderful man. He was a genuine real honest to God person. Just there was nothing fake about him at all. What did that did lift your spirits on a tough tour. Absolutely absolutely Martha. Raye was also another one of the great giants. I've bumped into her twice. She nineteen sixty five. She went down to Canto in the Mekong Delta to get to dedicate a brand new esther Williams swimming pool that the special forces arranged to be brought in fiberglass swimming pool. They threw her in the water. I happen to see that. So in Nineteen Seventy. She helicopters to my firebase. She gets off the helicopter. She's now a lieutenant. Colonel nominee major so isolated and. I said man was good to see you again. She said wanted we meet before so I started my God. You were there when that happened. You know what that woman did. God love her. She was a registered nurse and she was an officer in the Army Nurse Corps reservist and she would do these. Uso Tours and volunteer to stay in Vietnam for eighty nine days to work in hospitals. She did that multiple times. She is buried in the Special Forces Cemetery. Fort Bragg well-deserved oh absolutely you think about how important that was to a lot of different celebrities back then. Oh a store I can tell you. Stories till the cows come home In that in that era we had people from Hollywood. That were marvelous. They came over on a regular basis. Those are just two examples any others that stand out. Yes but I can't remember her name. She was a Hollywood darling. And she's now in her in her late seventies and still ause over her experiences in Vietnam. I'll probably remember her name. So after Vietnam what would you go that in your career between tours in Vietnam the army sent me to graduate school to teach at West Point and I taught at West Point in the department social sciences for a couple years of had tour in the Pentagon after Vietnam in Deputy? Chief of staff operations went to command a battalion and stood guard. Germany came back to the army. War College return to stood guard on on the G. Five of the seventh staff and then activated took command of the brigade in Seventh Corps From there came back as an army fellow at the Army War College to do research papers and write speeches for the army. Chief of staff wound up taking elements of the seventh special forces. Group to Grenada. One thousand nine hundred eighty three eighty four went on the Joint Staff J five for three years when over the National Defense University from last year of active duty retired in nineteen eighty eight started my own business in in marketing unrelated to the Defense Department and retired from that and moved to North Carolina have enjoyed retirement ever since happily ever after. Absolutely what are you most proud of when you think about your service to our country. I was very fortunate to be a commander from two level to brigade and the opportunity to lead. Soldiers is the thing I'm personally proud of Wonderful American soldiers there. Just you know. Men Women the opportunity to serve my country. I'm deeply patriotic. I have seen the rest of the world and I've seen the bad parts of the world I've seen communism. It does not work. I've seen what people do to be free to see seventy seven year old women hanging off the bed sheets from the seventh floor apartment in the Bernauer Strasse in Berlin to become free and dropping into fire net. Firemen's net that that really really impact you and we in this country for granted. And it's not free you gotTA fight for it and I think that's what we in the uniform services that's one of our missions is to to make sure that we always keep this country free but we've got to make sure that our people understand that there's a price to be paid for that when we had a draft which we no longer have most. American men got drafted eligible for the draft. They found out very quickly and I wish we could have some form of national service where young people not necessarily the military but kind of a give back for a couple years. We've we we have so much in this country. We take for granted So yeah that's what. I'm proudest of the opportunity. I had to lead soldiers almost pike. We thank you so much for your service to our country over several decades and we thank you very much for your time with us today. Thank you sir. Appreciate it very much. Us Army veteran vern. Pike served during the Cold War served during Vietnam and joining us today on veterans chronicles. I'm Greg Rambus. And this is veterans chronicles.

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Over My Dead Body

05:50 min | 3 months ago

Introducing: MANslaughter

"Let me tell you about the heroin. New true crime podcast called manslaughter. It's the spine chilling story of murderer. Suzanne store doc a wisconsin housewife who confessed to killing her husband in cold blood with single gunshot to the head. Suzanne call the police to report that verne. Her husband had been shot when police arrived. They found verne's murdered body slumped over near the bed and suzanne covered in blood. Suzanne was as charming as she was manipulative. She was always successful in getting what she wanted. And in this case it was getting away with murder but this might not have been the first time nor the last. You're about to hear a brief clip from the show but while you're listening be sure to subscribe to manslaughter on amazon music stitcher or wherever. You're listening right now. You can also binge all six episodes right now and and free by joining one three plus in the wondering app a two. Am the village of oregon in wisconsin. A few thousand people on the edge of a small highway a few miles of streets like this one the kind of place where people take pride in keeping the sidewalk shoveled neat from snow. And it's cold. The calendar says march but the weather says january alone car whizzing by. There won't be another one for a while. It's probably some kids sneaking home after a night partying and madison. The big city. This is a small town but it's late night for someone moving through that big house. The light burning in the den snaps off a shadow passes the windows heading up the stairwell. You can see more than one person upstairs. Then there's movement in the master bedroom voices fat and we need right away. I don't know the perpetrator still there. I got but she did know that woman was suzanne store check. She was married to my uncle vern and he was murdered in the most elegant mansion in oregon wisconsin this is manslaughter and this next part is hard to hear hard to look at susan's call brought the police to that big beautiful house and when they went upstairs vern store docs body was slumped on the floor. Next to the bed much of his head was gone. Blown off blood brains and tissue were everywhere splattered across the walls and floor staining. The purple bedspread stuck to the floral wallpaper stark. An undeniable violence police reports noted it visible on the freshly washed underwear towels in a laundry basket. Some feet away. One gunshot from a high powered rifle ended. The life of a decorated war veteran and a career law enforcement officer laverne gerald store. Doc vert to family and friends verne's brutal murder shocked tout shocked. This whole part of wisconsin really and the wild part of the story was the identity of the killer because it was the same woman who made the nine one one call his wife suzanne and actually she told police she did it full confession first degree. Murder rarely happens but here it happened and vern. He was a police officer a respected member of the community. His death made headlines so you might think murder murder. A cop confessed expert defense attorney. Christine says that's the kind of thing that has consequences. If you kill a super nice guy who is a member of law enforcement because you were mad at him you don't need a law degree to no that's not going to get you out of it. They threw the book. Are they locked her up for life. Nobody gets away with something like that right well. No that's not what happened by nineteen seventy-one suzanne store. Doc was a free woman. Seat vern store. Doc was a senior official in the state government. So newspapers paid attention. Fourteen of them carried stories of his murder in wisconsin michigan minnesota not just in the days after for weeks for months for the next few years but nothing came of that. There is no sensational murder trial where a jury punished suzanne for brutal crime. Instead the news cycle diminished into a trickle of procedural updates. Suzanne said she did it there. Were hearing delays a new judge. The lead prosecutor. The district attorney himself handed off the case to a rookie prosecutor. Go on an army retreat. Eventually the charges were reduced from first degree murder to manslaughter. Manslaughter just the unintentional. Killing of another person no intent no motive no murder and that all happened because of a really wild chain of events. here's criminal defense attorney christine funk again but at the end of the day the legal gymnastics. Come down to sort of a perfect storm. Suzanne store docs slept just three nights in jail. She spent eleven months in a mental health facility. Men she got married again. Verne was suzanne's fourth husband. She buried five of them in the end. More about those guys later.

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Hollywood And Crime

05:50 min | 3 months ago

Introducing: MANslaughter

"Let me tell you about the heroin. New true crime podcast called manslaughter. It's the spine chilling story of murderer. Suzanne store doc wisconsin housewife who can fast to killing her husband in cold blood with single gunshot to the head. Suzanne call the police to report that verne. Her husband had been shot when police arrived. They found verne's murdered body slumped over near the bed and suzanne covered in blood. Suzanne was as charming as she was manipulative. She was always successful in getting what she wanted. And in this case it was getting away with murder but this might not have been the first time nor the last. You're about to hear a brief clip from the show but while you're listening be sure to subscribe to manslaughter on amazon music stitcher or wherever. You're listening right now. You can also binge all six episodes right now and and free by joining one three plus in the wondering app a two. Am the village of oregon in wisconsin. A few thousand people on the edge of a small highway a few miles of streets like this one the kind of place where people take pride in keeping the sidewalk shoveled neat from snow. And it's cold. The calendar says march but the weather says january alone car whizzing by. There won't be another one for a while. It's probably some kids sneaking home after a night partying and madison. The big city. This is a small town but it's late night for someone moving through that big house. The light burning in the den snaps off a shadow passes the windows heading up the stairwell. You can see more than one person upstairs. Then there's movement in the master bedroom voices fat and we need right away. I don't know the perpetrator still there. I got but she did know that woman was suzanne store check. She was married to my uncle vern and he was murdered in the most elegant mansion in oregon wisconsin this is manslaughter and this next part is hard to hear hard to look at susan's call brought the police to that big beautiful house and when they went upstairs vern store docs body was slumped on the floor. Next to the bed much of his head was gone. Blown off blood brains and tissue were everywhere splattered across the walls and floor staining. The purple bedspread stuck to the floral wallpaper stark. An undeniable violence police reports noted it visible on the freshly washed underwear towels in a laundry basket. Some feet away. One gunshot from a high powered rifle ended. The life of a decorated war veteran and a career law enforcement officer laverne gerald store. Doc vert to family and friends verne's brutal murder shocked tout shocked. This whole part of wisconsin really and the wild part of the story was the identity of the killer because it was the same woman who made the nine one one call his wife suzanne and actually she told police she did it full confession first degree. Murder rarely happens but here it happened and vern. He was a police officer a respected member of the community. His death made headlines so you might think murder murder. A cop confessed expert defense attorney christine funk says that's the kind of thing that has consequences if you kill a super nice guy who is a member of law enforcement because you were mad at him you don't need a law degree to no that's not going to get you out of it. They threw the book. Are they locked her up for life. Nobody gets away with something like that right well. No that's not what happened by nineteen seventy-one suzanne store. Doc was a free woman. Seat vern store. Doc was a senior official in the state government. So newspapers paid attention. Fourteen of them carried stories of his murder in wisconsin michigan minnesota not just in the days after for weeks for months for the next few years but nothing came of that. There is no sensational murder trial where a jury punished suzanne for brutal crime. Instead the news cycle diminished into a trickle of procedural updates. Suzanne said she did it there. Were hearing delays a new judge. The lead prosecutor. The district attorney himself handed off the case to a rookie prosecutor. Go on an army retreat. Eventually the charges were reduced from first degree murder to manslaughter. Manslaughter just the unintentional. Killing of another person no intent no motive no murder and that all happened because of a really wild chain of events. here's criminal defense attorney christine funk again but at the end of the day the legal gymnastics. Come down to sort of a perfect storm. Suzanne store docs slept just three nights in jail. She spent eleven months in a mental health facility. Men she got married again. Verne was suzanne's fourth husband. She buried five of them in the end. More about those guys later.

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Joe Exotic: Tiger King

05:50 min | 3 months ago

Introducing: MANslaughter

"Let me tell you about the heroin. New true crime podcast called manslaughter. It's the spine chilling story of murderer. Suzanne store doc wisconsin housewife who confessed to killing her husband in cold blood with single gunshot to the head. Suzanne call the police to report that verne. Her husband had been shot when police arrived. They found verne's murdered body slumped over near the bed and suzanne covered in blood. Suzanne was as charming as she was manipulative. She was always successful in getting what she wanted. And in this case it was getting away with murder but this might not have been the first time nor the last. You're about to hear a brief clip from the show but while you're listening be sure to subscribe to manslaughter on amazon music stitcher or wherever. You're listening right now. You can also binge all six episodes right now and and free by joining one three plus in the wondering app a two. Am the village of oregon in wisconsin. A few thousand people on the edge of a small highway a few miles of streets like this one the kind of place where people take pride in keeping the sidewalk shoveled neat from snow. And it's cold. The calendar says march but the weather says january alone car whizzing by. There won't be another one for a while. It's probably some kids sneaking home after a night partying and madison. The big city. This is a small town but it's late night for someone. Moving through that big elegant the light burning in the den snaps off a shadow passes the windows heading up the stairwell. You can see more than one person upstairs. Then there's movement in the master bedroom voices fat and we need help right away. I don't know the perpetrator still there. I got but she did know that woman was suzanne store check. She was married to my uncle vern and he was murdered. In the most elegant mansion and wisconsin this is manslaughter and this next part is hard to hear hard to look at. Susan's call brought the police to that big beautiful house and when they went upstairs vern store docs body was slumped on the floor. Next to the bed much of his head was gone. Blown off blood brains and tissue were everywhere splattered across the walls and floor staining. The purple bedspread stuck to the floral wallpaper. Stark an undeniable violence police reports noted it visible on the freshly washed underwear towels in a laundry basket. Some feet away. One gunshot from a high powered rifle ended. The life of a decorated war veteran and a career law enforcement officer laverne gerald store. Doc vert to family and friends verne's brutal murder shocked tout shocked. This whole part of wisconsin really and the wild part of the story was the identity of the killer because it was the same woman who made the nine one one call his wife suzanne and actually she told police she did it full confession first degree. Murder rarely happens but here it happened and vern. He was a police officer a respected member of the community. His death made headlines so you might think murder murder. A cop confessed expert defense attorney. Christine says that's the kind of thing that has consequences. If you kill a super nice guy who is a member of law enforcement because you were mad at him you don't need a law degree to no that's not going to get you out of it. They threw the book. Are they locked her up for life. Nobody gets away with something like that right well. No that's not what happened by nineteen seventy-one suzanne store. Doc was a free woman. Seat vern store. Doc was a senior official in the state government. So newspapers paid attention. Fourteen of them carried stories of his murder in wisconsin michigan minnesota not just in the days after for weeks for months for the next few years but nothing came of that. There is no sensational murder trial where a jury punished suzanne for brutal crime. Instead the news cycle diminished into a trickle of procedural updates. Suzanne said she did it there. Were hearing delays a new judge. The lead prosecutor. The district attorney himself handed off the case to a rookie prosecutor. Go on an army retreat. Eventually the charges were reduced from first degree murder to manslaughter. Manslaughter just the unintentional. Killing of another person no intent no motive no murder and that all happened because of a really wild chain of events. here's criminal defense attorney christine funk again but at the end of the day the legal gymnastics. Come down to sort of a perfect storm. Suzanne store docs slept just three nights in jail. She spent eleven months in a mental health facility. Men she got married again. Verne was suzanne's fourth husband. She buried five of them in the end. More about those guys later.

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With One Shot | 1

MANslaughte?r

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"Soon ooh it's the largest and most elegant house in town a queen anne victorian proud and graceful. It's still got the original leaded glass windows. Essentially later a deep porch curves around two sides standing out front looking to the left of the steps to the front door. You can see a round tower rise to an elegant point a turt- who wouldn't want to turn it to. Am the village of oregon and wisconsin a few thousand people of a small highway a few miles of streets like this one the kind of place where people take pride in keeping the sidewalk shoveled neat from snow. And it's cold. The calendar says march but the weather says january alone car was in by. There won't be another one for awhile. It's probably some kids sneaking home after a night. Partying in madison. The big city. This is a small town but it's a late night for someone moving through that big elegant house the light burning in the den snaps off a shadow passes the windows heading up the stairwell. You can see more than one person upstairs. Then there's movement in the master bedroom voices and we need right away. Is he alive. I don't know is the perpetrator still there. I don't know but she did no. That's ferns niece. Dorothy marsk and decades later. She wasn't satisfied with the official explanation for what happened that night. That woman was suzanne store. Doc she was married to my uncle burn and he was murdered in the most elegant mansion in oregon wisconsin march first nineteen seventy a half a century ago. Well here's how dorothy wrote about it. A single gunshot sound echoed through the ten below zero air outside. Several lights immediately switched on in nearby houses dressed in pink rover. Short frail woman is loosely. Tied dyed blonde hair stood in the bedroom with her back to the door. She was clutching a rotary phone. Her sin finger sweeping the dow clockwise again and again. She was a little bit quite different and probably a little bit on demand louder against the titans them ci was really truly brilliantly and the you know sometimes brilliant the ones i have no no no no gum. Some do we talk about for criminal justice yard. you know whatever gloves it certainly. She had people waiting on her hand and foot years later. I still wanted to understand why uncle died. And who suzanne really was. I'm molly peterson. Welcome to manslaughter. Hey it's molly peterson. And if you're like the fifty percent of people who suffer from exile psoriasis and sensitive skin bode well has created innovative clinically. Tested solutions for you. That are safe. Powerful and steroid-free without a prescription take the bode well skin quiz for a recommended treatment. And have a customized system delivered to your front door. I'm looking forward to trying it. Because i've got sensitive skin. And i'm always on the hunt for a good moisturizer visit bode well. Skin dot com slash manslaughter. To see what products are right for you. That's b. o. d. e. w. e. l. l. skin dot com slash manslaughter. Make sure to use the code manslaughter at checkout to get ten percent off your first bode well order or your bode well membership. This is manslaughter and this next part is hard to hear hard to look at suzanne's call brought the police to that big beautiful house and when they went upstairs vern store docs body was slumped on the floor. Next to the bed much of his head was gone. Blown off blood brains and tissue were everywhere splattered across the walls and floor staining. The purple bedspread stuck to the floral wallpaper stark. An undeniable violence police reports noted visible on the freshly washed underwear towels in a laundry basket. Some feet away. One gunshot from a high powered rifle ended. The life of a decorated war veteran and a career law enforcement officer laverne gerald store. Doc vert to family and friends verne's brutal murder shocked tout shocked. This whole part of wisconsin really and the wild part of the story was the identity of the killer because it was the same woman who made the call his wife suzanne and actually she told police she did it. Full confession first degree. Murder rarely happens but here it happened and vern. He was a police officer a respected member of the community. His death made headlines so you might think murder murder. A cop confessed expert defense attorney christine funk says. That's the kind of thing that has consequences. If you kill a super nice guy was a member of law enforcement because you were mad at him. You don't need a law degree to no. That's not going to get you out of that. They threw the book hitter. They locked her up for life. Nobody gets away with something like that right well. No that's not what happened by nineteen seventy-one suzanne store. Doc was a free woman. See vern store. Doc was a senior official in the state government. So newspapers paid attention. Fourteen of them carried stories of his murder in wisconsin michigan and minnesota. Not just in the days after for weeks for months for the next few years but nothing came of that. There is no sensational murder trial where a jury punished suzanne for a brutal crime instead. The news cycle diminished into a trickle of procedural updates. Suzanne said she did it there. Were hearing delays a new judge the lead prosecutor the district. Attorney himself candid off the case to a rookie prosecutor to go on an army retreat. Eventually the charges were reduced from first degree murder to manslaughter. Manslaughter just the unintentional. Killing of another person no intent no motive no murder and that all happened because of a really wild chain of events. here's criminal defense attorney christine funk again. Well at the end of the day the legal nassar's come down to sort of a perfect storm. Suzanne store doc slept just three nights in jail. She spent eleven months in a mental health facility. Then she got married again. Verne was suzanne's fourth husband. She buried five of them in the end. More about those guys. Later by november of nineteen seventy-one. Suzanne was a free woman. She pretty quickly cashed in on his life. Insurance policy despite being the direct cause of his lack of life for suzanne life without verne was good. She finished her college degree. Got four degrees altogether in fact that last husband. She called the keeper. She laughed vern in oregon wisconsin behind. Dorothy marcet couldn't do that. She was haunted by her. Uncle verne's death. Yeah i've had people in my family die before but it's different when somebody's murdered you. Don't get over it you. Just don't recover well vern. He was solid and stable. He was there for me. He took me under his wing when i was in madison college. Houston pick me up every other weekend at my dorm. And take me to oregon. He picked me up. Drive me up to oregon and we'd have dinner sometimes if it was warm out there'd be barbecues in the back and i think because my mother raised him choose really close to him that i became a stand in for him for his own daughter. Shannon was estranged after the susannah fear. He was my father figure. He was more of a father to me than my own father. And so when he was taken away so brutally at night my father was gone. The father figure she found in vernon was a huge improvement over the father. She was born with and dorothy much preferred the warm memory. She made while visiting verne's house to what she knew in her childhood home. Yeah i felt terror a lot. I was terrorized by my father who could be so sweet and charming but then in a moment. Go from jekyll to hyde. Be cruel monster like when my mother would say she was gonna pick me up. I'd be waiting waiting waiting and wonder which barsha was in but verney. He was there when he said he was going to be when he said. I'm going to pick you up at five o'clock at your door. He was there. Yeah i was concerned about my well-being unlike my own father who is a compulsive gambler and use my mother's punching bag. And then when she got to bloody he'd start at my brothers. Even when i lived in milwaukee for a year. I dropped out of college and bought some furniture for an apartment from these guys from a newspaper ad. I paid the money and kept calling them. They never delivered anything so i called my uncle. The next day that furniture and appliances were in the apartment. So i called him remember. This was a guy who dealt with the mob. I said uncle verney. What did you say to them. He replied i made an offer they couldn't refuse you know he just took care of things. He fixed problems. This was remarkable to dorothy unprecedented. Basically because the family history she in vern shared was one of struggle well. My grandmother came to the united states when she was fifteen with twenty dollars in her pocket. She got a job as a maid and then she met my grandfather. They fell in love. They got married but he became an alcoholic by that time. She had five kids so she got fed up and threw him out so during the depression she had to support five children by yourself. She worked as a cook at beloit. College used to bring 'em scraps of food for them to eat. They each one outfit which you would wash every night in iron in the morning none of them went to college in fact my grandmother didn't graduate from high school. My mother didn't graduate from high school. None of my grandkids went to college at all. Nobody in that family got to go to college including vern but vern did see a way out as soon as he could on his seventeenth birthday in one thousand nine hundred forty three. He enlisted in the navy. It was world war. Two and while dodging japanese bullets in the pacific verne discovered his calling. He liked keeping order in society so much so that after the war he returned to his native. Wisconsin joined the beloit police department but the navy called him back into service late. Nineteen fifty for the korean conflict. Dorothy dunkel verne was sent to japan and served in the okinawa shore patrol doing undercover work to break up narcotics rings. Buy narcotics rings. Were talking about the japanese mob. The yakuza tattooed gangsters who cut off their own fingers when they mess up vern store dot cut his police teeth dealing with the deadliest criminals on the planet. Then he came back to wisconsin which is why when he returned to being a cop and beloit he was quickly promoted rising to the rank of captain a job he kept for over a decade. He retired as chief officers in nineteen sixty two but he was still young. His career was far from over. He got hired at wisconsin attorney. General's office and later as an investigator for the wisconsin. State medical examiners board and he was so high profile or public guy. Uncle verney was the first president of the oregon optimist club the elks lodge even created and hosted a radio. Show wait what verne headed. Creative side in the early sixties. He was host of this weekend. Radio program jerry shannon show. It was a combination of his middle name. Gerald in his only daughters named shannon he played top. Forty hits just like this one. This is jerry. Shannon off buggy downtown beloit. Please remember you know others in my family. Due to was his laugh he was so quick. With a joke. i can remember is always laughing Very he was my godfather. But i can just remember him as loving and caring I don't think i ever remember him raising his voice daughter. My cousin shannon she remembers agreed childhood. He was a joker he liked. He liked to have. We have water fight. Remember we end garden to leave the house with the guard. I was just you know. We just like everyone old enough to remember where they were. When nine eleven happened. I remember the day my uncle died. Dorothy was a twenty year old young woman. A junior at the university of wisconsin madison visiting her grandmother in beloit for the weekend and sunday morning around five thirty there was a knock at the door. Her mother and uncle were there. She wrote about it in her book back to that day. I remember my tall mother being dressed in her church clothes and hat but now i realize how memory can cloud reality because that probably didn't happen. Think about it. Her mother and uncle had comes sixty miles over icy roads to get there. It was ridiculously early. Not the time of day for elegance so a lot of what dorothy writes. She's putting together from memories of that time. My mother must have been wearing something more like her brown. Slacks worn out at the knees navy will overcoat which was two sizes too big because had recently lost weight. Enter beige in its scarf. It was like a dream a bad one. Dorothy probably stumbled out of bed groggy and cold hugging her arms tight against her body as she went to the front door. Dorothy grandmother was up. Everyone came inside to the kitchen. Round table with a red gingham oilcloth on it four chairs set around it one for dorothy for her mother. Her uncle her grandmother sat down to dorothy. Says you could see. She was getting prepared. She knew bad news was coming. My mother said at first she blurted out furnace gone and then she let go with gush of tears. My uncle was crying to a hankie to his is. I don't think i'd ever seen him cry. Before he was a retired army sergeant. He traveled the world working on important international assignments. Her grandmother didn't move. She was immobile. Still and silent in a robin blue robe and slippers. Her white hair matted down from sleep. She sat there staring out to the kitchen. Door into space dorothy. His grandmother was seventy seven years old woven through. All all of those years of life were hard losses. She had left norway at age. Fifteen to make a new life in america and had never seen her own mother again. Her father had died before she was born. Her husband had died a grandson. Two of her three children were already dead now. Verne was the third of her children to die before her and apart from verne she was the only member of her family that dorothy could always depend on my uncle. Donald stop crying long enough to tell us what happened. Verney and sue were out drinking sue suzy. Suzanne verne's wife that trump is my grandmother used to call her verne's families said that his downfall began when he met suzanne which happened in a bar so in some ways it wasn't surprising that suzanne and vernon spent their final hours together in one. The capital barred madison wasn't after workplace. I drink a little insulation against a cold day. We think suzanne environment in january hundred sixty two back then. Suzanne was married to a guy named irv gassed. He couldn't hold a job so his father was always bailing him out of trouble. The dad had money. He owned a dry cleaning business. But suzanne told people her husband wasn't much of a provider. This was when she met verne. Thirty six charming ambitious confident a guy who had taken on the yakuza and the mob and was ready for his next big thing. And here's the thing verne was already married to. Hey it's molly peterson and one goal. I have for myself. This year is to stay healthy. One thing i've been doing are these very long hikes and stare runs. I learned from canadian special forces guy. When i was working in congo about how to check if i'm hydrated by licking my lips liquid. Iv has helped with that. A friend of mine has been trying the energy multiplier. Hydration supercharged with macchia. He's not sure if it's a coincidence. 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Game kind where you get to satisfying lead drag your finger across the screen to connect stuff you win levels and there's new content all the time. The other day was playing. While i was getting my car smogged checked. That was the fastest smog. Check of all time. I think i'm on level forty or something now. Everybody loves a good puzzle. Bast fiends gives you over five thousand of them once you download best fiends. You can't put it down. Get used to telling yourself just one more level because i definitely heard that a few times this weekend download best fiends free today on the apple app store or google play. That's friends without the our best scenes. Exactly when suzanne in met is a bit of a mystery. Suzanne told people in her life that verne stock was going to help her investigate her current husband. When i started looking into this a lot of people. I talked to said the same thing they said. My uncle became obsessed with this woman. He met in a bar. Su he was still married to my aunt. Chanel she was a real homemaker sweet warm. His daughter shannon was older than me. But i remember him doting on her. This new woman always had men circling around by your own account. She had been with many of them as lawmen. Verne was a big fish in the small pond of beloit before long he would be selected to be part of an elite group of investigators for a new division under the wisconsin attorney. General's office verne was on his way up. Erve was on his way down. And suzanne was a climber. I think she saw my uncle. Verney is a ladder and after they got together. Suzanne did finally appear in wisconsin society pages news of relatives visiting or dinner parties or daughters overseas trip. I found them all society pages in madison warrant huge but they did tracks suzanne. And here's just a few of the newspaper. Headlines laverne store docs vacation in nevada store. Docs have guests. Delbra brandon's guests of stocks. Donna briggs is feted as his relationship with suzanne deepened. Dorothy says the tall handsome man with the crewcut who she knew disappeared. What she remembers what his friends and family due to verne became one in pudgy. He started to drink more. He and suzanne were mattress alcohol. It it was like acute drug stupor. Maybe the aliens had come in. Replace my uncle's verney with a pod. Person he changed when she met suzanne for the first time. Dorothy was just fourteen. She saw what was going on but she didn't really understand it. I really didn't understand what was going on with their fair. And i could never have predicted for niece obsession with end in his murder. One dark cold nights seven years later. When suzanne met verne she had one current has been to ex husbands and three children. One from each of those marriages it was. Dorothy is family felt that suzanne stole vern and shannon verne's only daughter. She felt betrayed. Hainault what she was doing free single step of the way. I believe she saw this nice looking guy who was thought pan. He's good look. He look good look good his arm and she went out of her way to get him after she confessed. Suzanne had to go before a judge on the matter of killing. But here's the thing. It wasn't much of a court case kind of open and shut in the end from the beginning though the way things went down. Didn't sit right with some people including dorothy. Dorothy knew her. Uncle is a man who fought his way out of poverty. A reliable source of support for her in a messy family who took on organized crime then. He ended up dead at the hands of ninety eight pound woman and yet. Dorothy has an opinion on that. I sure do. I didn't realize until a few years ago that suzanne possessed the mind instincts of a cold blooded killer. She got away with it and she got to keep living. My uncle did not one shot. It's easy to see how dorothy the world turned on that one shot. I'm cold wisconsin. Night that night after that one shot rang out. Suzanne made a lot of phone calls to the police dispatcher. She seemed confused courtesy filter but the very first call. She made to the sheriff of dane. County sheriff jack leslie. He said in court that she called him around to twenty in the morning at home. Let my wife answered the telephone. She said it was for me and a female was on the other end of the line and she told me she was missing and that she just shot her husband. What happened next sir. I ask her to repeat what she said and she said she just shot vern and needed the police and i asked her if burn was dead and she said i don't know and i said we'll be right out and i proceeded out of the house and sheriff leslie. Do you know. Mrs susan b. store doc. Yes i do. How long have you known her. Approximately three year four years. And could you identify or state whether or not you could identify the voice at the end of the line. At the time you received the call. Well i believe it to be mrs store knock. Had you heard her voice. In the past. I have been introduced to her before. Yes it's really fascinating to me. That she called the home of the sheriff to announce that she shot her husband. Christine funk is an expert criminal defense lawyer. i don't know what sort of relationship you have with your sheriff right. I don't have my sheriffs come number according to police reports sheriff leslie had known verne for fifteen years suzanne not so long but she's still got the vip treatment that night at the county building. The sheriff let her sit in his private office. Dorothy and others have wondered whether suzanne had a personal relationship with sheriff leslie so dorothy asked the criminal defense lawyer. Christine funk does suggest a relationship of some kind. I've represented about two dozen people charged with murder in some degree or another over the course of my career and none of them called the sheriff at home when the police came to the house. Suzanne suddenly had nothing to say about shooting instead. She called family verne's relatives and hers to let them know that vernon had been shot. A sister-in-law in waukesha a brother-in-law in her daughter in new york. Her brother bird has shot. Someone shot heard. Suzanne pled not guilty by reason of insanity in less than a year and with a final hearing the court accepted her plea for verne's daughter shannon. It's still stinks out of jail. So fast i know i mean okay. So she has a psychotic breakout she goes and she gets out and then she collect life insurance. What do i think about the person that broke up. My parents marriage the person that got cut out of my father's will the person who ended up killing him the person that that got his life insurance. 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They've got thirty five thousand brands for women and children handbags shoes and so much more. That's threat up dot com slash manslaughter when suzanne store not plant not guilty by reason of insanity that was effectively an excuse. She told the court she wasn't responsible for her actions. The idea that suzanne had a mental disorder jaded in records with her personal attorney and family. Doctor a doctor with no psychiatric training and probably the two of them laid the legal groundwork for that the night of the murder. Nothing in the police. Reports reveals anything out of the ordinary bill in early morning when suzanne got to jail. Sheriff leslie just said. She seemed a little disheveled officers on scene. Six of them described. Suzanne with these words presentable polite. Calm rational cooper don collector to be normal control of herself and nothing in police. Records suggests a break with reality before the shooting. Nobody who saw suzanne invert on saturday night at a bowling alley and two bars reported any odd behavior. One couple even came into that grant house around an hour before the cops did. Suzanne offer them a nightcap and showed them antiques yet just moments. After suzanne was talking to them about refinish chairs verne was dead and her legal team. Blamed that on a psychotic break later and assistant district attorney named victor mu. Salem told the court that suzanne's conversations with police officers. The night of the murder showed that she had been acting. Strangely in a trance-like state and nobody seems to have made him proof that that night. Suzanne did something shrewd all those phone calls. She made one of the people she called was her lawyer. A guy named ken orchard. She had tried to call her lawyer. I at her house under the watchful eye of cops. No answer later. She called him from the privacy and comfort of sheriff lesley's office. She kept getting a busy signal remember. This is a woman who confessed to share if leslie of murdering a career law enforcement officer the sheriff had known verne for fifteen years. Suzanne a lot less time and does he toss her in a cell no he lets her sit comfortably in his office with seemingly unlimited access to his own suzanne while she made those calls also said she would not be making any more statements without her attorney present. She clearly understood her right to remain silent but while she was sitting there. Suzanne eventually connected with her lawyer and ken orchard headed to the sheriff's office as quick as possible when he got there early in the morning. Ken orchard wasn't alone. He brought suzanne's personal doctor. Walter washburn washburn met with suzanne in her jail cell and like that concluded that she was mentally ill. He said she had a loss of affect meaning. She wasn't feeling anything and he recommended she be immediately transferred to a psychiatric hospital for evaluation. And sheriff leslie's office helped. Suzanne lawyer make that happen later at that psychiatric hospital. Another doctor named lee roberts examined suzanne and concluded that at the time of the shooting she was suffering from a schizophrenic reaction of the chronic paranoid type whether mistake or intentional the decision to send suzanne to the psychiatric hospital. That night had consequences. That could not be done over the next eleven months. Seven doctors examined suzanne. They didn't all agree but none of their other diagnoses matter in the end. Dr washburn the first doctor. She saw who got her out of the jail. He's the one who mattered and his opinion that she was mentally. Ill set the course for what happened next. He wasn't a psychiatrist he wasn't therapist and he didn't have training. But according to a court transcript of the county prosecutor washburn opinion is how she got out of the county jail. She was transferred to university of wisconsin hospitals psychiatric section and later the district attorney pushed by suzanne's lawyer said that was the key reason why the state couldn't make a murder charge stick which was quite unusual. The key reason prosecutors couldn't overcome an insanity defense and she was transferred to a psychiatric facility on that day. Prior to any appearance incorp the key reason they reduced the charge against a self confessed killer from first degree murder to manslaughter and then cut her a deal. That factor alone makes it quite difficult for the state to argue that. The defendant was not suffering from mental disease at the time of the shooting. When rather extreme measures such as this are implemented. That's the district attorney telling a judge that they killed their own case. The judge was not amused. He asked the assistant district attorney whether the original prosecutor the top. Da james ball signed off on the decision to send suzanne to the psych ward. Whether or not it was with his express approval. I do not know what we do know from the police reports. Is that the dane. County sheriff's office authorized the transfer. That's the same office headed by sheriff. Leslie who to remind you is the same man who suzanne called at home after the shooting. The man who set her up in his private office to make sure she got a lawyer. A man who claimed suzanne was just an acquaintance suzanne self-confessed cop killer one shot. One death left a lot of lives. In chaos verne's daughter shannon grew up and had a family of her own but she never let go neither. Did her cousin dorothy for a decade more pretty much every conversation they had was about suzanne how to find anything out about her where she was. What really happened at two. Am in oregon wisconsin fifty years ago. Now and there's something. I haven't told you about the marsk i mean. Besides that she isn't a seventeen year old girl anymore obviously. Dorothy is an amateur investigator. A very educated one fulbright scholar three master's degrees a doctorate a playwright on the faculty at columbia university. Dorothy marshek reopened a forty year old case. Dorothy put her life on hold for years. She studied piles of court transcripts and mimeographed police reports and forensic sketches and stacks of newspaper articles about vern and suzanne store dock and their families and people. They knew dorothy talk to cops on the scene that night. The original district attorney on the case friends of suzanne neighbors in oregon old boyfriends every member of her own family and experts experts experts. All for a good reason to prove to herself and the world that suzanne got away with murder. Yeah even talked to suzanne. It was february eleventh. Two thousand fourteen. I got a call from my cousin. Shannon verney starter. She was breathless. She said i found her. Suzanne was in tennessee with her adult children. I knew i had to see her confront her learned. The truth was the truth. Suzanne store doc did not shoot my uncle next time on manslaughter. Simple quite good. Manslaughter is produced by bill france. Blau who also supervised the music. Mardi scott is the writer. Dorothy mark is the co host and author of the book with one shot. executive producers. Are bill france blau. Dorothy marshek marty. Scott and molly peterson. Gregory t smith and the oregon historical society provided research. Sarah kaylin is a forensic consultant shannon store doc. Hecht is a story consultant actors who recreated voices include. Jacob behrens charlie. Ray jeff wisnewski. Dan fishman tamra hurston rodeo robert. Smyth steve travis gary burg brady salvos buck shurmur and chris sappy enza nick. Court is the sound designer and engineer. Martine audio provided original music scoring and engineering additional engineering by sergio and rica's at wondering tony bruno produced and arranged songs. That danielle harris sang for the music special. Thanks to clear cut inc. john fry barb. Hall warner chappell music. Sony atv music. Spirit music abc. Oh music fabulous. Music round hill harlan. Bmg and all the amazing people at wondering. I'm your host and co writer. Molly peterson

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"Before i go insane i hold my pillow to niagara and spring up in my bed. Screaming Were coming to the end of this story. So it makes sense in a way to go back to the beginning to oregon wisconsin on a saturday february twenty eighth nineteen seventy early side evening still. We're outside the largest and most elegant house in town. You know it by now. A proud queen and victorian bone cold wisconsin. It might as well be deep january. Even with the would violets pushing up under the snow in the kitchen of that house. Suzanne store doc is writing a note to her teenage son. David shake if you go to work early. There are some non atomic countertop. Help yourself within reason. Save a couple for me then. Susan has out for saturday night league night bowling and drinks with her husband vernon plenty of their neighbors a seventeen year. Old shaggy-haired david rolls into the kitchen. Energetic and confident a kid about to head out for a night of fun with his friends and his girlfriend maybe he grabs a donut. Takes a bite. Maybe he sees the note and smiles and scribbles his own message on that piece of paper of ghana goofing around with my girlfriend and smother guys you later. Ps my car at home soon enough. He's gone david heads to madison for his big saturday night in the big city for a pack of teenagers in one thousand nine hundred seventy. That's adventure right. They're getting a hippie to buy them beers a man any chance you score some beers no problem dude. David and his friends are on their way to being adults. But they're not really jonesing for responsibility. The federal government is talking about ending the draft. Maybe the beatles just released. Hey jude in a time of great. Change the possibilities of a whole new decade stretch out in front of them and tonight thanks to a hippie. They've got beers miles away from david and his friends twenty year old. Dorothy mark has left the big city for the weekend. She's in the town of beloit spending the night in her grandma's house. Grandma store duck is a pillar one of her reliable adults. The other is uncle vern for the night in oregon vernon store doc who argues with his wife and leave suzanne alone at a bar after a long night out. He walks alone in the snow back to his house. The clock turns over midnight. February's over the future is here. Suzanne store doc sits at the sportsman's bar without her husband in front of her is a partially consumed. Drink around about two hours later. A rifle shot will break the silence and both the life and boys innocence will come to an end in new york. A young woman at art school will pick up a call from her mother. That causes her to drop everything. Burma gone and the next morning. A college student visiting her grandma will be woken early in the morning by her mother. In a state of shock and grief bernice dead in the kitchen of that big victorian house in oregon. Suzanne stock watches her son. David cry out in misery. The note about donuts is still on the table over decades. These people these families will come to reckon with something that changed in just a few hours with one shot. Welcome to manslaughter. Imdb tv original. Moment of truth is a new. In depth docu series about the murder of james jordan. The father of the most famous athlete of all time michael jordan. It was a crime that shocked the world. But what you know is only the beginning. James jordan was found dead in a north carolina Days after his fifty seventh birthday. Police arrested daniel green. And larry demery on first degree murder charges. The docu series will explore many of the lingering mystery surrounding this case a federal investigation went on to expose the racial injustice and enforcement corruption in robeson county. Facts were hidden information distorted. It is finally time for the truth to be revealed moment of truth now streaming for free in the imdb tv app on fire tv roku or anywhere. Prime video is available. Imdb tv always entertaining always free for most of a year. Dorothy marcy had been communicating with david on and off every month. every week. we talk on the phone Once a week and email and we we got into skyping after he got his computer system system figured out and it was it was nice is really very satisfying and it was just from that time that we really started to get closer now. That connection is broken. David briggs has died his funeral in tennessee a few days before christmas on a day cold and pouring with rain. Dorothy says she felt sorrow and shock. I was very sad when david died. I i still miss him a lot. I just regret that. I didn't go back there another time before he died and i felt his loss. Yeah i really got close to david. I always liked jim. When i knew him when i was in college and he was finishing high school in our saudi. He was a nice guy but when we started connect after that first visit no went there in february. Two thousand fourteen there was just some clicks. They're mean i. When i went the first time all i wanted to do. And this was shannon in me decided. We wanted to know who pulled the trigger. That was all i want to know. Suzanne of course had confessed to shooting dorothy uncle and was sentenced to time in a mental hospital for it before a dorothy his first visit to that house in the eastern hills of tennessee. She and suzanne hadn't talked in decades suzanne's daughter. Donna remembers that visit. She says the dorothy came under false pretenses into their lives. Only as a family member. I asked donna about dorothy. Is relationship with david the year before he died she answered me by email she wrote. We could look at that from an entirely different point of view and ask why she felt it necessary to lead a lonely sixty something man on. She didn't have to speak with him at all. He hadn't had a serious relationship with a woman since his marriage ended years earlier and so her attention obviously flattered him. Is it any wonder. He hoped she might mean it. Donna is a survivor. The oldest of suzanne brandon's. She outlived her younger brothers and she seems to have always known her job in her family. Well they were good in my eyes all the time. But i was there. Your i was the oldest and being a tomboy. I would beat up the beliefs if they picked on them. You didn't dare pick on my brothers and my greatest regret leaving was my two brothers leaving them behind because i had been there protector. Donna left wisconsin for new york. She went to the pratt institute and art school. Dave who was the sensitive enough kid. When i knew when i was home. I mean we always cared about each other. He became rough. Donna says she felt the distance between her and her brothers. Physical as well as emotional. She remembers that. David loved vern and had begun to emulate him and after the shooting. David's friends say he changed even more when his dad died and he inherited a little bit of money from him. He bought a big harley davidson and road coast to coast went out and trained at the same gym as lou frig no because he was going to build up his body to prove he was his tough macho dude that nobody could hurt of never mind his conditions that he was baffling wind down left for new york. Her brother danny was still so small and he was so different from david. I came home on time with seashells. Said hey dan i'm you want some and he picked the most delicate most aesthetically pleasing ones. That you could you could pick out of the group of seashells. And i was so impressed with his taste that was refined than very artistic and And was a poet like me and we shared that you know he. He wrote poetry. Two loss can tie family together so the funeral did for a moment with dorothy and donna in two thousand fourteen. They both stood graveside for david. Likely thinking about these relationships but while dorothy grieved she also held something separately inside the memory of that cold night in wisconsin and her uncle's death vern store dot kept a picture of his daughter in his wallet until he died hill. And what i miss. Most i guess i guess it's just being able to have confidence that is not directly in my life. Every minute like my mom. I think it would have been completely different. Shannon store doc. Hecht is now much older than her father ever was. She wonders what he would have looked like if he had gotten old. Result never sat down had adult conversations although we did we had you know talk with kim conversations but not real adult things because that was a time when there wasn't a lot of whole adult things going on it wasn't it was quite like it is now or everything is really who is out there right now. The way it is. Dorothy feels that suzanne's were victims as well living your life. Knowing your mother had confessed to murdering her husband. How how do you. How do you cope with. How do you live a normal life. I don't know david's funeral was only dorothy. His second visit to tennessee on that trip. Dorothy wasn't just morning. She was also still investigating the first time she was there. Dorothy had sat down to a meal with suzanne and with david and his sister donna. Dorothy says she quickly understood that. This family was close. He would tell me you know whatever. We talked about the time before he'd say. Oh yeah. I told my mom. This i told donna that and i realized every conversation we had was four way conversation every time we spoke. It was a four way conversation. Dorothy remembered david coming out to talk to her in the driveway. That i visit. She thought he knew more to tell her answers about her uncle's death right before david died. Dorothy says he called her. They talked about verne's death in more detail than before he was animated. She really had the feeling he was going to tell her. Something dramatic looking back. She says she's certain what that was. He was going to confess to shooting vern store dock and i just thought it was very unusual that he's on the verge of confessing in that we were going to continue the conversation a week later that he he ends up dead. David's mother didn't come to his funeral. Suzanne was eighty five at the time bed bound according to her daughter. Donna donna said suzanne was unable to attend a funeral even so dorothy doesn't believe that yes. I saw her stand up in walk when she didn't know i was looking taking a few steps. I don't know if the doctors came to see her or she was taken a wheelchair but she did. Not go to davis funeral for dorothy. The timing was too close. If david was really going to confess to me about killing vern motivated by his mother. Suzanne would not have been happy she has spent decades after the murder hiding past and rebuilding her life even her name. Dorothy believes suzanne could have caused david's death and she believes that because even as she was standing there at david's funeral she still believed. Suzanne was a cold blooded killer. Dorothy has imagined in detail how her uncle vern might have been murdered. I've spent countless hours thinking about it. There weren't cameras inside the big oregon house in nineteen seventy. Nobody who was there has confirmed any of this happened. Dorothy says it's based on her research for over five years. I read and reread court transcripts. Police files newspaper counts have visited the crime scene. I studied police diagrams of the crime scene. And i even hired a forensic expert to make a three d representation of the crime scene. I found witnesses to incidents. I think are related from what i saw. Suzanne did not like it. When verne's mother talked to his first wife. What if he really was quite to leave her. What a fern was going to leave. Suzanne and she didn't think she could stop him. I think she was a skilled menu. Bellator and i think she started a fight with fern. Then i think. Suzanne burned herself with a cigarette. And then i think she went to her son. David beckham and she said how could he do it. How could he do it. She showed him the cigarette burn and she told her son. Vern said this is just the beginning. He's gonna kill me first thing in the morning when he's completely sober he's gonna go and get one of these guns and shoot me in the head. Probably then david said to her he'd never kill anyone. Let's go to the police. We can run away. His mother answered. He'll find us he's relentless. Only you can save us david. Then maybe she threatened suicide. There were pills and runs attache case from work david would have been hysterical but then perhaps she led david downstairs to the gun rack to his favourite gun. The mauser david would have set up across the hall with his rifle. She said something like david you know. I can't live without you. Maybe she had a code word a word that may david act. And that's when. I think david pulled the trigger. Sure suzanne confessed. But i think. I know why david wasn't a strongest suzanne. If he got interrogated he would have told the truth. Suzanne had a history with mental health. Issues she could use that to divert attention from david to control the story about what happened. We have no evidence. Any of this actually happened. Everything you've just heard is dorothy speculation. Based on her research. David testified in court that he didn't shoot vern though years later david told a friend he did and didn't deny when confronted by another family member. Dorothy points to the forensic evidence. Showing suzanne malveaux have been the shooter. One thing is certain. Suzanne was at the center of that night and she talked about that night with one person. Her daughter donna. Sarah i love to cook. But i sure don't like to hunt down fifteen ingredients for recipes than have all those leftover salon leaves. Luckily i found hellofresh. Which is cut on the stress in meal planning not to mention trips to the grocery store. What about you. Sarah will all take your leftover salon show. Dorothy i love that stuff. But i do understand what you're saying. I'm an avid amateur chef. And i'm trying to pass the joy. I get from cooking onto our kids. Hellofresh is a great way to get our teens into the kitchen. 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Redhead began her day in brooklyn hours later. She was in a sterile cramped police station office in wisconsin. The police were telling her that the house from other lived in was a crime scene. Donna would have to wait to see suzanne. Her mother was behind bars in jail. Donna doesn't remember how she made her way to madison from a life she had made in new york. She doesn't even remember how she got from the airport to the police. I it shocked me. I never thought it would get that bad. I couldn't comprehend that that that could happen. But she was a shock she was suzanne stored up in the early morning hours after verne was shot. One of the calls suzanne made was to donna. Donna says she knew things were off in that grand house in oregon still. She didn't think it would get as bad as it did. Certainly not at the beginning. When verne stored seemed like a bit of good news in her mother's life we welcome when he showed up. He seemed like a really good guy in the early nineteen sixties. Suzanne was still married to serve gassed. A guy who threatened her children who ran around on her who ran off and didn't come back so looking back. Donna says it's not surprising that at first highly decorated former law enforcement officer with a winning smile seemed like the protector they needed. We thought it was gonna keep us safe from earth. We didn't know much about his prior family with his first family. Verne took road trips and sang songs in the car had lunch with his daughter and laughed through water fights but in that big house in oregon his stepdaughter. Donna remembers nothing like that. Just chaos anger. Because from what i gather from his family he was a wonderful guy to them but he was not to us he changed. It was not a good experience living with him on. So i don't know when verne started totally becoming this monster but somewhere along the line he did and he wasn't that way when they married that i know of for one thing. Donna says vern drank a lot. They fought more when he was drunk. Which was often. she believes. It caused her mother to drink more to. He would like her to go to bars with him and they would come home drunk later in life when she wasn't married to burn several sources say suzanne didn't drink at all. She was not a real drinker until she married him. And donna says verne's job as an investigator sometimes took him away for weeks once he stayed away for a month which he explained by saying he was busting a prostitution ring. Hundreds of miles north in the town of hurley. According to donna her mother would question vern when he returned about what exactly being undercover meant about the hurley trip. Vern wooden answer whether he slept with other women. He said it was his job. Donna was sixteen and verne was her stepfather. But donna says he didn't look at her like apparent. I felt creeped out by his attention to my Physique oh shall i say we we would sit at the dining room table and he would outright look at look at my body rests and ask me you know. Well let voice touch them or what it went. Further donna says did the boys at school toucher body. Donna says vern would ask that to while he stared and even further. What would happen if he touched her breasts. And i i and mom would try to stop him and then they would end up fighting. I think in a way she was trying to defend me. But i i just got the sense. That i was no longer safe around him and so i had to leave. Another girl says she had a similar experience. Her name is kate. She asked that we keep her last name out of it for privacy. Kate's family was close with verne ensue. Close enough that her father gave vern a rifle for deer. Hunting the mauser. They spent holidays with the store. Docs kate newburn. Only at these big gatherings. They weren't close. A boy got pregnant when she was fourteen. Her parents sent her away to estate home. For wayward girls in lacrosse. Kate has one. Dave earn showed up there and took her out to dinner. She says vern sat too close to her in a big u-shaped booth. He put his hand on her. He put his arm around her and didn't move it until she pushed it away. He told kate that her parents knew about his visit. Kate says her parents told her that wasn't true. And kate says he was being inappropriate added up. Donna says big and little alarms were ringing inside of her louder and louder trying to tell a story so when she says she couldn't believe what happened she also had already started to during her last christmas home. Christmas of nineteen sixty nine. One incident stood out during the time i had been home. Mom tried to tell me that things weren't okay. I came home. And there were cuts on grinstead as synonymous. Who what happened to you. He so odd cut myself shaving. Which sort of odd down on the neck and mom said no tell the truth and i said what do you mean. What do you mean. What's what do you mean the truth. And she said. I cut him and i said you did what and he said. She doesn't know what she's talking about. I cut myself shaving and he pretty much did his best to cut the conversation off but not before. She told me that he heard her phone. Calls can mean trouble. Donna had been back in new york for just a few after the holiday break when her mother dialed up early on the morning of march i that paul would bring donna back to wisconsin. Donna asked her mother what happened. Did vern leave again. Like he had before. God donna asked questions. Did he leave again. Had something happened to every question. Her mother said the same thing finally done asked one more question whether vern would come back from other said. No donna said again. What's happened on her arrival in madison cops told donna. She could see her mother after she saw something else. I donna says she saw pictures of her mother's back from where vern put out his cigarettes all across her back as well as at least one fresh one. She still didn't really know what had happened before. With the fighting and the cuts and the blood. She heard about a christmas but finally. She says she saw her mother's pain. When i finally saw her i just cried. I said. I can't believe you were being hurt like that. I'm so sorry. I didn't understand you know i didn't i couldn't i couldn't help her at that point. Donna believes what happened. The last night of stocks life was rooted in the unhealthy relationship. Her mother had with verne and she says the story isn't complicated. Women were supposed to be subservient in so. She tried but eventually she couldn't. This was not so much subservient relationship as a war zone. She tried to be what people expected her back in the fifties and sixties and tried to be the you know the good wife that supported the man and she had this piercingly wonderfully humorous in great intellect that Just being stifled in betrayed by these guys. And i know i was there after visiting her mom in jail. Donna walked into the oregon house again. She still remembers the horror of the crime scene. The spatters the blood the violence i think she was progressively becoming mentally ill and the situation drove her beyond herself. I believe the final analysis was that she had a psychotic break. I don't have a clue. I don't know how all this transpired. But i've heard since then in abuse situations where You can't get out of it. Psychologically somehow you can't leave the abuser and so it's simpler to end the life of the abuser. Which is horrible. But i know mom said when she picked up that deer rifle and shot it. She said words that other women have accused witches. You'll never hurt again. Donna knows that her cousin. Dorothy doesn't think her mother pulled the trigger domino's the dorothy has painted her mother as a monster. And i don't like speaking ill of the dead. That's why i'm trying to say i. I've i've tried to find peace in look at these people. They're human beings. I don't think anybody's set out to be such a main bully or or a drunk or to commit murder. How did that happen. I wish i knew how to establish truce beyond like dorsey truth or my truth and and i just wish there was some way through all this that we could get at truths beyond all of us. We've heard multiple versions of verne's murder multiple motives different views of a woman's life after she confessed to killing her husband after fifty years. How is it possible to prove which one is the truth to prove who. Suzanne really was the one person who has the very best answer about what happened in that house is. Suzanne is now gone to the obituary says dr suzanne brandon age. Eighty eight passed on march. Twenty third twenty seventeen in knoxville tennessee. Sarah lots of people are worried about home break ins and i just ordered a simply safe system mainly because manslaughter producer raved about how easy it was to install how responsive the tech people were in how we pays about half what he did with the previous system. In fact simply safe's free sensor saved his greenhouse in all his plans when his heater broke down dorothy manslaughter listeners. Already know i'm a big fan of our simplisafe system but something. I think most people will be surprised to learn. Just how easy it is to install. There's no rep coming out from the company. No hiring electrician's literally plug in and go. That's so great. And what's also great series that you can choose which components and centers you want with simply safe you can get help from one of the experts you really can personalize it to the needs of your home and your family feel safer and spend less trust me. 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June's journey free today on the apple app store or google play among the living comments left online about suzanne brandon's death reflect admiration and even love. I am terrifically saddened by my friends passing in which i just discovered recently. Gosh she was beyond terrific and we shared so many wonderful and challenging experiences as we navigated our legal education. She drove us on our first day of law. School in a rolls royce. Her smile with light up a room. Even change your mood and would tell you to sit down. And let's talk. she shared. Teach me some things about being a kind hearted caring person. I'll never forget her and her last words to me days before god called her home. I love you sonia. Rest in peace. My sweet angel. I'll see you. And mr paul when i get to heaven no matter where suzanne went or what she did in life. The obituary says she could get people laughing with sarcastic. Salty remarks we will miss her wit and charm her generosity and her love. May she go with god it says. Suzanne was survived by three children. Donna a step son and a daughter from her fifth marriage and seven grandchildren and eight. Great grandchildren in her final years. Suzanne brandon made peace with her son. David donna says they had been estranged until he was in his late fifties. Some people she loved died before. Suzanne did named in the obituary were suzanne's fifth husband. Paul and her sons david and daniel not mentioned were suzanne's i three husbands the fathers of her children also missing was vern store. Doc surprising given that. Suzanne seems to have spent the years after the murder trying to move past. It may be she finally did. Here's story. donna remembers from a time not long after her mother turned eighty. She was visiting suzanne. And paul the keeper and one day paul hauled some of the court records related to verne. Store docs shooting out to the living room out of the blue. He just said you know. Your mom has carried this guilt and is heard long enough. Let's sutter free. And i didn't know at first what he meant but he meant. Burn all the files all the police reports all the whatever evidence of just just. Let's get rid of it. Donna remembers her mother cried and she says she agreed to help. She can't remember now. How many boxes. There were even. After forty years. It was a lot together. She and paul. And suzanne put them into the fire and so we just said okay. It's time to to to tell her you don't have to carry that anymore. You're forgiven when her mother died. Donna contacted dorothy. Marshek a took a couple days to figure out where the funeral is going to be which was minneapolis. with was where she lived with her fifth husband. I flew there that morning. There were two events in one day. A small graveside ceremony and later funeral. Dorothy went to both the first one was very small close family and dorothy got a rental car and i drove to the cemetery that was going to be the first place and there was just donna and her son and me and then the rabbi came had a small service and then there was several hours gap in between that and the funeral which was going to be to synagogue. Death again brought donna and dorothy together. Donna was so shaken and in such pain she could barely stand up. Her son had to keep holding onto her. And i said let's find a restaurant I wanna buy you lunch and find someplace that you really love. So we found some place tint hadn't natural food that was fairly close to the synagogue and her son and i just tried to get her to eat because she hadn't eaten for a few days she was weak and i listened. Her shoes. crying kept running and getting napkins For her to use for her tears and i felt really bad for her. Donna remember that her mother's funeral was small five people smaller than she would have wanted. Donna blames herself for that. Her husband had a stroke. He was laid up in tennessee when her mother died. She couldn't find her mother's contacts so she says she was scrambling to pull together the memorial on that day. Dorothy helped then. She said she wanted some pictures to show at the funeral and she had One copy but she wanted to have other copy. So i went. I found a framing place. A copy framing place and and got copies made and had them put in frames and extra copies for other members of the family and brought him back and she was very appreciative. I mean i just wanted to to something to ease her pain and and make it easier for her. On one level. Dorothy found she could relate to loss as a daughter and mother herself. Because i know it very difficult to lose your mother. I was quite young when my mother died. But as a friend of mine said you you never know how long the umbilical cord is until your mother dies but under the surface dorothy payne continued as she stood at the funeral surrounded by susan's family and friends. She was struggling. I was there. Were emotions in the direction of donna and her son and and then there were the other emotions were. This is the woman who confessed to murdering my uncle and basically got away with murder and win. The rabbi was up there her giving her eulogy. And these were words that i had heard from suzanne before so i know what the source of the more She said well. Suzanne said She she did everything in life that she always wanted to do. I had to restrain myself not to raise my hand. Go getting away with but of course. That's totally inappropriate. And i didn't do it inside. Dorothy was angry. I don't like it. My uncle was not allowed to live in. She did live and she used money from his assets and insurance policy to be able to go to school and not to have to really work the rest of her life. If there's something unjust about it. I think i was pretty angry about it now. I'm not sure angry. I just feel sadness about the lack of justice and also the fact that after he died. She claimed that he abused her. The one who lives get to tell the story and that's what the narrative was for forty years. He had abused her that she had a psychotic break and she pulled the trigger. I don't think i'll ever get my head around. Why medical literally through his whole life away because once he started up suzanne seven years later. Half his brains are splattered over the bedroom wallpaper and he was dead. Verne stored was the most stable force in dorothy mer. Six life in nineteen seventy. He was her one constant and then he was gone forever when people experience a sudden trauma a sudden loss. There's grief associated with it. That's expected on top of that when the person you lose a cornerstone of your life but compounded stress and strain is indelible suzanne. Dorothy had one spin close. Dorothy sent suzanne a birth announcement. Suzanne responded with a gift standing by suzanne's grave. Dorothy says that was all gone. Can't say exactly sad that she died. I'm not happy who's just nothing. You know one gun and one bullet took the life of one man that night in nineteen seventy vern store docs. death changed permanently. The lives of the people around him mostly women. Some of them sought to close the door on the past dorothy reinvestigating. The case has made that door almost impossible to close in. It's just something you learn to live with. But it's always there and the pain is very very deep. Someone murdered my uncle and suzanne confessed to it. I still cry. When i think of uncle verney. It just comes over me without warning. I'll never again see him. Smile at me. Put his arm around me. Tell me jokes or look at me with those eyes of love. That was taken away from me. And that's the thing that i think people don't realize only talk about murder and so on if you haven't been through it you don't know that it it never goes away you don't go. Oh well let's move on with our life that hangs over you as a person of faith. I know i should forgive david. How david. I never had any problem. Forgiving david he was a kid. And just collateral damage. In the whole situation that suzanne who was involved in the murder who profited from it actually told me the murder hit improved her life. I'm still working on that forgiveness. I don't know how long it will take. Or if i can ever get their income in them. Sleeping and ride medal of good. Manslaughter is produced by bill. France slow who also supervised the music thing. Mardi scott is the writer dorothy. Marcy is the co host and the author of the book with wine. Shot executive producers. Are bill france without dorothy. Mar six marty. Scott and molly peterson gregory t smith and the oregon historical society provided research. Sarah palin is a forensic consultant shannon historic hecht is a story consultant actors who recreated voices include. Jacob barons charlie ray. Jeff was new sqi. Dan fishman tamra erickson. Hurston dow robert smyth steve. Travis gary byrd brady solvents buck shurmur and chris. Sappy enza nick. Cheese is the sound designer and engineer. Martine ketil provided original music scoring and engineering additional engineering. By sergio in rica's at wondering tony bruno produced and arranged songs that danielle harris say for the music special. Thanks to clear cut inc john. Fry barb hough warner chappell. Music sony atv music spirit music abc. Oh music fabulous music round hell harlan. Bmg and all the amazing people at wondering. I'm your host and co writer molly peterson.

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"Hey listeners. I'm excited to tell you about the harrowing neutral crime. Podcast called manslaughter. It's the spine chilling story of murderer. Suzanne store doc wisconsin housewife who confessed to killing her husband in cold blood with a single gunshot to the head. Suzanne called the police to report that verne. Her husband had been shot when police arrived. They found burnt. Murdered body slumped over near the bed and suzanne covered in blood. Suzanne was as much charming as she was manipulative. She was always successful in getting what she wanted. And in this case it was getting away with murder but this might not have been the first time nor the last. I'm about to a brief clip from the show but while you're listening be sure to subscribe to manslaughter on amazon music. Stitcher or wherever. You're listening right now. You can also binge all six episodes right now and add free by starting your free trial of three plus in the wondering app two. Am the village of oregon in wisconsin. A few thousand people on the edge of a small highway a few miles of streets like this one the kind of place where people take pride in keeping the sidewalk shoveled neat from snow. And it's cold. The calendar says march but the weather says january alone car whizzing by. There won't be another one for awhile. It's probably some kids sneaking home after a night partying madison the big city. This is a small town but it's a late night for someone moving through that big elegant house the light burning in the den snaps off a shadow passes the windows heading up the stairwell. You can see more than one person upstairs. Then there's movement in the master voices burn fat and we need all right away alive. I don't know the perpetrator still there. But she didn't know that woman was suzanne startac. She was married. My uncle vern and he was murdered. In the most elegant mansion in oregon wisconsin this is manslaughter and this next part is hard to hear hard to look at suzanne's call brought the police to that big beautiful house and when they went upstairs vern store docs body was slumped on the floor. Next to the bed much of his head was gone. Blown off blood brains and tissue were everywhere splattered across the walls and floor staining. The purple bedspread stuck to the floor wallpaper. Stark an undeniable violence police reports noted it visible on the freshly washed underwear and towels in a laundry basket. Some feet away. One gun shot from a high powered rifle and the life of a decorated war veteran and a career law enforcement officer laverne gerald store. Doc vert to family and friends verne's brutal murder shocked. A towel shocked. This whole part of wisconsin really and the wild part of the story was the identity of the killer because it was the same woman who made the nine one one call his wife suzanne and actually she told police she did it full confession first degree. Murder rarely happens but here it happened and vern. He was a police officer a respected member of the community. His death made headlines so you might think murder murder. A cop confessed expert defense attorney christine funk says that's the kind of thing that has consequences if you kill a super nice guy who is a member of law enforcement because you were mad at him you don't need degree to know that's not going to get you out of it. They threw the book hitter. They locked her up for life. Nobody gets away with something like that right well. No that's not what happened by nineteen seventy-one suzanne store. Doc was a free woman. See vern store. Doc was a senior official in the state government. So newspapers paid attention. Fourteen of them carried stories of his murder in wisconsin michigan and minnesota. Not just in the days after for weeks for months for the next few years but nothing came of that. There is no sensational murder trial where a jury punish suzanne for brutal crime. Instead the news cycle diminished into a trickle of procedural updates. Suzanne said she did it there. Were hearing delays a new judge the lead prosecutor. The district attorney himself handed off the case to a rookie prosecutor to go on an army retreat. Eventually the charges were reduced from first degree murder to manslaughter. Manslaughter just the unintentional. Killing of another person no intent no motive no murder and that all happened because of a really wild chain of events. Here's criminal defense attorney christine again. But at the end of the day the legal gymnastics. Come down to sort of a perfect storm. Suzanne store doc slept just three nights in jail. She spent eleven months in a mental health facility. Men she got married again. Verne was suzanne's fourth husband. She buried five of them in the end. More about those guys later.

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Danny Hohenstein /// Part 1/// 286

True Crime Garage

52:40 min | 2 years ago

Danny Hohenstein /// Part 1/// 286

"Welcome to true crab garage, wherever you are whatever you're doing thanks for listening. I'm your host, Nick. And with me as always our nation turns its lonely is to you captain. That's because I'm so damn handsome. But don't blame me blame. My parents good to be seen. And it's good to see you. Thanks for listening. Thanks for tone of friends. This week. We are featuring tangerine wheat by the good folks at lost coast brewing, garage grade four and a quarter bottle caps out of five. This is a very refreshing citrus ale and tangerine week combines loss. Coast harvest wheat would natural tangerine flavours. We had a couple of these last week. Thanks to good friend of the show. And we are having a couple this week. Thanks to our friends here. First up. Thank you to Rachel in Kalamazoo. Michigan a big show to she nine Farmington, New Mexico. This next one is from Jared who at the time of his contribution to the beer fund was writing from a deployed base in southwest Asia and from his wife, Amy listening at home each week. Cheers to you, Jared and thank you for your service. Thanks to all the men and women who serve this great country. Big. We like your job to share on Stony tin, Connecticut. And here's a cheers to Karen and Upton. Massachusetts and last, but not least we have Emily and walked cash, Wisconsin. So thanks everybody for filling up the fridge for this week's shows if you want to help us out with next week, go to true crime garage dot com and click on the little donate button. Feel like a beer Cousy or coffee mug. Check out the store page at true crime garage dot com. And that is enough of the bees. Yes, it is. All right. Everybody gathered around grab a chair grab a beer. Let's talk some true crime. In recent years over four hundred and fifty thousand children were reported missing in the United States each year. Children taken by strangers slight acquaintances represent only one hundred of one percent of all missing children. Far more common. Our children who have run away gotten lost or injured have been taken by family member. Usually in custody dispute, or they simply aren't where they're expected to be because of miscommunication. But still a very small percent of children reported missing remain gone. Professionals who deal with missing children cases are primarily police officers and local detectives trained to locate young people and bring them back. Our case this week is that of Daniel David Hohenstein, Danny? Danny was Born October third. Nineteen eighty six on December first nineteen Ninety-two Janney living with his mother paradise pines, California is reported missing. Danny was just six years old. His missing flyer describes Danny as Caucasian three foot eight inches tall, forty one pounds. With a slender built. He has blue eyes and light Brown hair at the time of his disappearance. Danny was sporting a buzz haircut. Danny was last seen playing with the dog near his home in the afternoon hours of December first. His mother Jackie was inside preparing a meal for the boy when she went to call him in. He was nowhere to be found. Jackie searched for the boy. But to no avail after the boy was only gone for a short period of time. Jackie called the police and the search for Danny began. But hours turned into days, and then weeks and months and still no one knew where the little boy was the trail was going cold. There was no evidence and little in the way of leads detective Vern Kelch, worked the cases good is any season detective could he meticulously logged organized every bit of information collected from the search as well as things brought to light by interviews and tips coming into the department. But this was truly a mystery and the F B I offered their assistance and the ongoing investigation. In the public eye. There are some common misconceptions about when the F B I can get involved and a missing child case. Either. There has to be evidence that victim was taken across state lines. Or that a ransom demand has been made listeners of the show know that that is not the case as the bureau often offers they're investigative resources and technical assets to work hand in hand with state and local law enforcement agencies cases involving the mysterious disappearance of a child. Nineteen Ninety-three FBI special agent. Jeffrey reineck was paired with detective Kelch. His role was the help investigate the disappearance recover the child and apprehension the person or persons responsible. This is the case of the missing boy, Danny Hohenstein. Over the years, captain, we have had several guests. Join us in the garage. We had podcasters prosecutors private investigators this week, we have a very special guest retired special agent from the FBI Jeffrey reineck, he has been involved in many cases of missing children and many cases of crimes committed against children. And we asked him to join us in the garage this week to discuss the missing persons case of Danny Hohenstein who went missing in nineteen ninety two well neck, and Jeff before we dive into the case, Jeff could you tell our listeners while you got involved in the BI a cheque right question. And I think about it and awful lot. I was born with physical birth defects are headed club left foot. And the doctors also determined that I had cerebral palsy and for my first nine years of life. I was. The kid that was picked on and beaten up separated from the other kids. I couldn't walk right? And so my life, I wouldn't consider it to be a lot of fun at the same time. My parents were taking me to all these doctors and irately thought they were doing this because they wanted me to be right? And I think they did. But I've learned in later life in in big part because of my relationship with my wife Lory that I think my parents are somewhat embarrassed or offset because I look so different. I had a club foot. I walked funny, and I think it troubled them as much as it was an inconvenience to me at nine years of age. I had experimental surgery that worked in caused me to walk fairly normally. And as I continued growing in developing after that surgery, I was able to run and do things and they wanna do. A lot of able to everything normally I thought it was something that was behind the leftover affect on me was that I was very angry because of my first years of being beaten up and picked on. And so I was somewhat volatile somewhat violent. It didn't take much to get me to go over the edge. I went through life. My parents expecting me to go to college. And we decided that I would go to law school. I went to Cheltenham high school graduated than I went to college in reading, Pennsylvania, graduated there. And then realize that I didn't have enough money to go to law school. So I ended up just you know, I was floating around. I always wanted to be an F B I agent because my dad had been in undertaker and during one of the funerals. There was this high ranking organized crime guy. And I was fascinated by these guys that were walking around taking license place and all that. And at that early age, my dream was to be an F B I agent, which I never really thought was possible for me after I was kind of without direction. If graduated college I needed to find something. So I started applying to all these law enforcement jobs, including the EA secret service. And then I applied to the FBI, and they responded to me and made me aware of a position where I would be was called the clerk. I went down from interview. And they said that if I did three years as clerk, then I'd be eligible to apply for agents class, and for me that was totally unexpected in that gave me direction. So I went to work for the F B is a court. I had an advantage because I had a college degree, and you had to have a college. Degree to be enough b I agent. So I went to work. Doing menial things I used to make the clerk badges, and then I did soak screening in the exhibit section of the FBI at six months after got there the FBI stopped that program with the clerks and did not grandfather anybody, and I was once again in a dead end position. So your chances of getting into the FBI were made possible through this program. They canceled the program now, what are you going to do? I decided I went back to school at night fulltime to gain the equivalent of accounting degree because that would enable me to apply to the F B I as an agent as an accountant and for the next fifty two weeks. That's what I did. I also had a started running because it made me feel. Oh like, I could run. Normally, I enjoyed it. I could think and it made me feel good. So I kept running. And so I had this life of working as a clerk at the FBI in running every night and going through to get my undergraduate equivalent degree of accounting, and I completed it and sure enough I was able to get into the FBI. My new agents class was June twenty six of nineteen seventy eight and that's how I started pretty cool not quitting the clerk thing. So you're still working for that BI. But you're running every night you're going to school you're gonna find a way to make this dream reality. And at some point Jeff you get involved in a unit that specializes investigating crimes involving children. Can you take us through that process? Sure. Nikki the work get with crimes against children didn't. Start until I had about fifteen years in or twelve years my first office which had cargo and in Chicago, I worked violent crime and counting. And I was put on a what they call it title three, which is telephone surveillance on a case. Everybody has seen the movie casino in one of the FBI agents. Listening to the your phones on the on the telephone surveillance with new agents, we were pretty much worthless. So they would assign stuff like that net when help us get acclimated to the job. I short time after my dad was diagnosed with lung cancer in Philadelphia, and I chose to go back to the New York office to be with him during his final years of life. And that's where I met my wife Lori. We ended up starting our own family. And I know that sounds like a long lead in. But I think you'll understand in short while Laurie. I we start having family. Early in our first son Joe was born. And when he was three and a half years old. We had our second son Jordan for the week before Jordan was born. Joe look like he was having a really bad cold. And when we took Jordan for his well, baby. Visit we ask the doctor looked at Joe and learn I'll never forget that the doctor came in with this ashen Solan look on his face any told his that Joe had a plus four protein spill in his Yorin, and that that was very serious, and he made it clear to us that this was going to be very difficult thing for us. The next few years, we spent dealing with Joe who is diagnosed with pediatric nephrotic syndrome. And this is where this is kind of the formative time for both Laurean. I. Because dealing with our son in the prospect that he might not survive in the hardship of dealing with his symptoms. Laurie had more emotional strengthen I did she dealt with a lot better night did shortly after we arrived in Sacramento. There was an abduction of seven month old baby named Frankie Proctor and I was assigned to it. And it was like an out of body experience for me was nothing like I had ever experienced before. In terms of the drive the passion. And then I got I worked with a detective at Sacramento police department. Greg Stewart who great detective in and I was able to partner up with him. And so I learned a lot from working with him. And I also experienced something very unique in that. I didn't wanna go home. I just kept going. And four days later, Greg, and I and a few tactical guys broke into an apartment, and we rescued little Frankie Proctor the FBI being bureaucracy. It is like every other bureaucracy. They started assigning all of these cases nets. How might work in the crimes against children began to worry about the long answers. We hear we appreciate the details were just lucky that you're talking to the two slumps and the. Well, let's dive into this week's case because at some point your ass to take a look into a missing persons case in this is six year old Daniel David Hohenstein, better known as Danny? And by the time you got involved. This was considered a cold case. Yeah. No. This is thank you for asking that during this time. It was in the early nineteen nineties the F B I had a new director. His name was Louis Freeh. Louis Frei was very strong in his belief that the resources of the F B I could help in investigating missing and abducted children. And as a result of that every field office in the FBI was ordered to go through their closed Hase's, and any close case that had a child that was not recovered. We were supposed to review it. And look to see if there was anything that we? You could use the Tryon and bring it back to try and find the child that's pretty awesome initiative by the BI. I reviewed the case on Danny Hohenstein who had disappeared in November the end November of nineteen. I think it was nineteen ninety one or two. I you know, it's been so long. Now, my notes say that Danny disappeared December first nineteen ninety two. Okay, december. I that. That's right. And I looked at that case now now we're in the end of of nineteen Ninety-three or were a year later in in my review of the case, Danny had disappeared. There was no sign of him anywhere. It was if he simply vaporized in cease to exist and this really bothered me because that doesn't happen. And as I read the file I saw that the Butte county sheriff had a very very good searching. Rescue team and the detective that was working at his name was Vern Celts. And I tell the Verne had a problem with Danny disappearing as well, the search and rescue folks, and the managers believed that Dany had wandered into a very rugged canyon near his home. And he met his end either being lost in the canyon or being attacked by a predatory animal in the woods. As I looked at a search and rescue reports. There was no evidence of him any evidence of him at all ever being into the canyon. There was nothing. And it was just too much for me that a child could disappear in a period of twenty minutes in not exist, and I can tell that the detective Vern felt. That way might supervisor was guiding Don Pearson. Don, just an amazing person. He had this talent where he could recognize what people were good at everybody. In our squad was engaged and things they were excelling at Neth was done could recognize these things he really was intuitive. I told on I didn't think that just bothered me Danny had disappeared and nothing existed. So he arranged for Vern couch and Vern supervisor to come down and Vern. Supervisor name was Perry. Renna who later became the county sheriff they came down to the FBI office. And we sat there reviewing the case. I said at the risk of looking like immediate. I said, you know, something's wrong because a boy like this doesn't just disappear to the point where search and rescue can't find. Any evidence of ever existing and Vern agreed with me. And that's the way he had felt so Don Pierce. My supervisor purring Renna firm supervisor gave us permission to reopen. This case in start looking at it in that became this unbelievable marathon for Vernon looking to find out what happened to Danny in a way when you review these files in your thinking about these things you're almost transported back in time. And realize that the better the investigators documented what they had done the further back, you can go and with the intensity of actually feeling like you're there that was a real lesson to me, and my paperwork was usually not very good. But because of that and from learning from Vern, I started trying to do much paper in my own paper. Were because I knew that it could mean the difference between having hope or losing hope any case like this Jeff tell us a little bit about Danny's home light any lived in a small town named Miguel. Lia Begala is a very rural area. It's just east and north of town called paradise your listeners might be interested to know that paradise Galea where to towns that were completely burned to the ground in the campfire from last summer and so nothing exists there anymore, but Danny grew up in McGill yet or he lived in Miguel. He didn't he didn't grow up. There. His mom was. An alcoholic and so her life circulated around alcohol, and because of that she wasn't the most responsible parents you could've been and Danny was frequently reported to be in the neighborhood unsupervised. There was one incident that really got to me emotionally where a neighbor who was interviewed described that on a cold snowing morning, Danny was at her door by her kitchen asking to be let in and he was in his pajamas. He didn't have any outer garments on. And she described how she brought him in and fed him breakfast. And there were other incidences that were like that there was teachers in his kindergarten class reported that Danny? Fall sleep early in the day, and they determined that is moms feeding him ice cream, and he didn't have a very nutritional diet his teeth were deteriorated because again, his diet was so bad. So Danny was child who was neglected. That's pretty sad. One of the reasons that Vernon I would one of the things that aid at us was because you know, here Danny goes missing in because he's neglected in the first place. No one really or the easily give up looking for them. And so that that was eating at us in one of the things that I'm really proud of that was happening during his time as Vernon I were developing a very close friendship with each other. And Verne was a guy who didn't really have great feelings about the FBI. So this partner she developing was lot of fun, really. Vantage of interns of I was a street guy. And he I didn't know anything about the country. So he he done these crazy stories that I would believe that were not true. Just a yet me. Can you describe the man that they partnered with for this case detective Vern Kelch Verne was about six foot five he was if you think of John Wayne in one of his westerns that's burn Kelch. He was massive. He was his hands dwarf. My hands. He had a deep voice. And he was a no nonsense guy, quite frankly, when I started working on the March intimidated because I wouldn't wanna be on his bad side. And as we got to be better friends. It just felt a lot safer. People. People have the misconception that police or sheriffs in rural areas, aren't that? Good Verne had kept this unbelievable documentation of the case. He had volumes of loose leaf binders that were organized in all different ways. And you could give him a date and time in he'd be able to look back in his records. And find out what happened that he was absolutely amazing. Span a third of your life and sheets. It's about time for a betting upgrade name. 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There was a house being built MIR Danny lived, and because he was always out about he would always hang over watching house be built. There was a dog in the neighborhood. That was always at Danny side, and the dog's owner was in jail. So the dog like Danny had no place to go. So the two of them found each other in hung out together, and Danny hung around there for the day and about three o'clock or so the workmen we're getting ready to go home in the supervisor told Danny to go home and any actually told him, you know, you gotta get a code on jacket. So Dany went home and got a code his mother remembered him coming in and getting his jacket on running out again. And the supervisor said that Danny came back with his code on. And then these guys were packing up getting ready to go a short time later Gandhi's mom went looking for him and couldn't find him. And so this is what we know about Danny's last day. He was hanging out in the area where the houses being built he had a dog at his side, he interacted with the carpenters that were building the house. And so this is where you start, and what happens is you not only try and get an idea of the logistics and the goings and comings, but you also get an idea of what Danny was like because these guys are telling you what impression is at the same time. You're getting oppressions of these guys. And that's lowly gives you the ability to start building this mental picture of what that day with like. Now Danny's mom was. As we said enough, Holly. And there were many times reported when she would be asleep during the day, probably recovering from the previous night on one occasion before this. She had actually misplaced, Danny? She had left Danny with a friend and forgot who she left him with and couldn't find him. So of course, she met with a lot of negative criticism. Because you know, she wasn't really being mindful of her child, but it was also important to consider that if she could've lost her child for three days that time. How do we know? She didn't do something this time. How do we know? She wasn't pulling out of the garage and maybe hit him. He was standing behind all these factors come into play as possibilities. But in what really got diverted. I was that here. You have the mom. Who had lost him for three days, and she never called police. And now Danny was missing for fifty minutes and she called police. So the question becomes why she so diligent this time. And this is an example of where you start you have to find a reason there's something going on there. And because her son was missing she became very helpful and tried very hard to the best of her ability to help us, find her son. And what we learned is that on that day. Danny was supposed to go over that evening to be with his father, and his mother was going to have the evening to herself to go out. And do what she did mindful of this. She when she couldn't find, Danny? She was concerned not because you couldn't find any because he was gonna go out. And she knew she couldn't go out and. Until she had Danny accounted for over his dad's at the wave logistics worked up that day is that she was gonna feed any before she took him over to his dad's. So she cooked him a pot of macaroni and cheese show. She remembered Danny coming in to get his jacket as she was starting the pot of of macaroni cheese. And then when she finished cooking it that's when she started looking for him, a time of approximately twenty minutes and couldn't find him. So whatever happened The Danny happened in that twenty minutes, then she started looking for him. And you spend another half hour looking form. And then she called the police you call the Buchanan sheriff's department in Vern responded with a department in they began what they do. So well, which is searching rescue and looking for Danny. And this is where we get to the point where there's never any trace of him, including his clothing shoes possessions. Anything that's ever seen from him. Again, the dog is located in the neighborhood running around by itself, but Danny is gone. And this is what we had to work with roads. We don't have any evidence. Suggesting where Danny went. But do we have any other kind of evidence? Another thing that we had is we talked about how Danny was neglected because of his condition of his hygiene, Danny had contracted a an infestation of what they call scabies, which I think are like out there like it's scabies are like these bugs that make you like bedbugs, if you will and because of the scabies Danny's mom had to do a complete cleaning of the house doing all the wander that was located in the house, and she also had have Danny's head shaved because the game is I guess live in the hair. I don't know that much about it. But I remember the scabies was a big issue. And when we were looking for Danny his hair was crewcut. And there were some strings tips that were. Coming into the police department regarding the disappearance of the small boy, do you recall any of those burn learning? I we decided that we would energy was mom, very thoroughly. We would interview his sister, Shannon, and his brother Brandon, and we would slowly take everything we could extract from them, and we would verify an run out each specific thing. And when it came to Danny's mom the crowd, she hung with wasn't the best. And so we started looking through her friends and one guy in particular, we determined from Jackie's friends that this guy was very sexually active in also very sexually aggressive, and while there was nothing to indicate. He preferred children. We were gonna give him a good. You know, look, and we eventually found him. He was down in the LA area. And we arranged for a polygraph operator from the Los Angeles division and Verne's advisor period in mind on arranged for Vernon to get the funding. So go to LA and have him a how this guy polygraphed? This is where as new investigators. You start learning the ups and downs of working these cases and Vernon. I got ourselves worked up thinking this guy could be a good contender. And so we had a lot of expectations and hopes when we drove down to LA, and the political we had was going Jack Marco really really good guy who got some in his own, right? Was was well known thought of. And we got the guy in had him. Do a polygraph with Jack we told you that we thought he would be victim tender because of his behavior incidents that had been described the societas with them with inappropriate sexual, you know, foreign with women things like that and Vernon. I what happens with polygraph. Is it take several hours and Vernon I waited in a lobby area while Jack had taken this suspect into a one of the motel rooms where and polygraph in Vernon. I are sitting out there and shortly after few hours the guy comes out, and he looks Solan and his eyes are on the ground, and he is really shaken up. So of course, Berman I get really excited thinking, oh, this could be it. And. Jack came out a short time after we said, you know, like how to go, and he goes, it's not him. So we got ourselves. So wound up thinking it would be him. It it took some time for the settle in that it wasn't him. But Jack said even though the guy passed his polygraph. He thought he would interrogate him anyway. And the result was this guy coming out of the room the way he was jacket really going after him. And I gotta tell ya. It makes me proud to be an agent to know that you know, the guys you work with her are so good. And so dedicated in passionate that just because we're talking about the were about of missing six year old boy in Jack was not going to let this go until he himself was contempt. So when he let the guy out he was pretty convinced the guy had nothing to do with it so Vernon I thanked them, but we had to get because the guy literally walked out. Kept walking. And we were losing. And we wanted to just touch base with him. And we found him a couple miles away from the hotel and we offered him the right at home. And he was crying and refused are awry because he was so upset and shaking up by the interrogation. And it's an example of how you can get your hopes up as an investigator in than compression down. When it's not what you think in as you work these cases, Nick what happens is you put so much of yourself into each lead and things start working up that when the lead falls through it, not only comes as a shot and disappointment. But it kinda sat your energy for a day or two we talked a little bit about Jackie Danny's mother in her lifestyle in Danny's home. In life. When you start looking into this cold case, there was reason to have suspicion regarding Jackie. Yes, this is really a special time for me before I even met Jackie from reading the files and realizing the life that Danny had I was already angry at her bear in mind, Nick that I had myself a six-year-old boy same ages, Danny who was going through the after effects of disease that threatened his life has almost took him from us Laurie, you know, had handled it with more emotional strengthen I did. And so here's a mom talk into. That's got a boy who's healthy, and she neglected so before I even met Jackie I was prejudicial towards her. I was angry. So I went with Verne, and we went. Jackie's house and the door opened and Jackie came out. And she in Vern gave this huge hub. And I felt myself get a little upset with Verne. I'm like why you hugging this woman after what she's done, and she was also considered by many to be a suspect. It was believed that because of her name rated state. She may have done something to Danny accidentally and in caused him to die or whatever. And then got rid of them. So there was a lot of suspicion. And I didn't see any reason that she should not be considered in that light. But Vern did not think she had anything to do with it. And I learned a huge lesson from firm that day, I learned that when you treat people with respect, and you don't judge them. They become a lot more truthful. Honest and reflective trying to help you figure out what's going on. Because as we sat there that day. It was clear to me that Jackie knew that she was part of the problem that she knew she had failed Danny's welfare, she knew that this probably might not have happened. If she had been a more hands on mother, and it was very hard to maintain that level of anger that I felt before I met her seeing her this way. And I also saw the Verne was just so amazing with her that I believe strongly that Jackie non only had not been in involved but was being treated with such a cavalier. Like, oh, she did it and he's going and we're never gonna find him. And from being Vernon there. I was like we need to we need to go through Jackie and find out if she did this or or stop prioritizing her, and so we arranged for Jackie come down to the FBI office in Sacramento, and she was polygraphed Sacramento. And it was a female for who I worked with was really good a really liked there. And she came out of the polygraph and said that jockey had passed her polygraph that one of the problems with the previous polygraphs is that polygraphs were done in such a way as to cause her to become emotional and that threw off the results. And this might be a good time for your listeners to understand help graph works because apply graph measures physical function. There's it measures your pulse. It measures your blood pressure it measures your heartbeat and. Also measures the conductivity of your skin. So if you start sweating, for instance, that conductivity goes up and all these things together are then go through an algorithm and give the political for an idea of the whether the person is is is speaking truthfully or not, but consider this Nick, I have never met a victim parent whose child is going missing that pass the polygraph the off AL because they offer responsible for the disappearance. They all feel that they let their child done and so the off ill like they're the reason the Charles missing. And so the polygraph indicates to them shows them as as failing when in reality, they're blaming themselves. So you always have to take into consideration the total environment all all of the. Facets of what you're dealing with. I I hate to say it, but I did see in one instance, a a father pass a polygraph. And what I realized in time about that father was that he really didn't care about job being missing. So while of the emotional aspects, it would have caused the polygraph to show its its results weren't there because he really didn't care a person who doesn't have a motion, he's more likely or he or she is more likely to pass a polygraph because the polygraph is based on our ability to feel in have a motion and react, and the, and of course, the philosophy is if you tell a lie if you mislead that's that you're going to react to that. You're going to you know, you're doing something wrong in your body reacts physically to what your mind is doing mentally right in during this interviewing process. In and sifting through this information. There are other leads that are coming in. Yeah. I believe there was one. If I recall correctly, the involved a victim of molest station, the indicated that possibly their father could have been involved in the disappearance of Danny. Yes. Amazing. You know, I I remember writing about it. Now in the book when you're looking for a missing child. The natural believe is that whoever took the child or kill the child was doing more than just taking the charge that there was a sexual motive. We gotta tip in from a guy who believed that his father could be suspect. And I don't remember exactly now. But I remember that he was able to give us enough supporting information that we were able to put this guy in close proximity to Danny and possibly he could you know, maybe he needed to be looked at further. He turned out to have an alibi that that didn't you know, the cause him to be cleared. But the thing I remember the most about that Lee, which really stays with me. Even now is that this. This man described to me as a boy, he would try in stay up all night long and sit in the hallway to keep his father from going in in salting his sister, and he felt responsible that he couldn't do that. Left a seed in me. Of the realization of how hardness is for the family members, not only the victims families, and that when something happens to another person many times victims of similar crimes in victims families of similar crimes will re-experience. What what they do? Will it will ris affect them? And I've always taken that with me since. For all of our old episodes download Stitcher app. Their free exclusively on this deter AB also check out our bonus show, our weekly show off the record on Stitcher premium this week. We're talking about the documentary the HBO documentary of Adnan Siad. All right. We will see everybody back here in the garage tomorrow until then be good become an don't let.

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Introducing: MAN-Slaughter

True Crime Brewery

06:16 min | 3 months ago

Introducing: MAN-Slaughter

"Listeners i'm excited to tell you about the harrowing new true crime. Podcast called manslaughter. Jill s me to do this ad today. And i'm thinking maybe she's trying to tell me something it's the spine chilling story of murderous zandt starbuck. She's a wisconsin housewife. Who confessed to killing her husband in cold blood with a single gunshot wound to the head. She called the police to report that verne. Her husband had been shot now in police arrived. They found verne's murdered body slumped over near the bed and suzanne next to him covered in blood. Suzanne was as much charming as she was manipulative. She was always successful in getting what she wanted. And in this case it was getting away with murder but this might not have been her first time or even the last. I'm about to play you a brief clip from the show. But while you're listening make sure to subscribe to manslaughter on amazon music. Stitcher or wherever. You're listening right now. You can also binge all six episodes. Now ed free by starting a free trial of wondering plus in the wondering app two. Am the village of oregon in wisconsin. A few thousand people on the edge of a small highway a few miles of streets like this one the kind of place where people take pride in keeping the sidewalk shoveled neat from snow. And it's cold. The calendar says march but the weather says january alone car was in by. There won't be another one for a while. It's probably some kids sneaking home after a night. Partying madison the big city. This is a small town but it's a late night for someone moving through that big elegant house the light burning in the den snaps off a shadow passes the windows heading up the stairwell. You can see more than one person upstairs. Then there's movement in the master bedroom voices my husband's been shot and we need right away. I don't know if the perpetrator still there. I don't know but she did know. Vat woman was suzanne store doc. She was married to my uncle vern and he was murdered in the most elegant mansion in oregon wisconsin this is manslaughter and this next part is hard to hear hard to look at suzanne's call brought the police to that big beautiful house and when they went upstairs vern store docs body was slumped on the floor. Next to the bed much of his head was gone. Bologne off blood brains and tissue were everywhere splattered across the walls and floor staining. The purple bedspread stuck to the floral wallpaper stark. An undeniable violence police reports noted it visible on the freshly washed underwear and towels in a laundry basket. Some feet away. One gunshot from a high powered rifle ended. The life of a decorated war veteran and a career law enforcement officer laverne gerald store. Doc vert to family and friends verne's brutal murder shocked. A town shocked. This whole part of wisconsin really and the wild part of the story was the identity of the killer because it was the same woman who made the nine one one call his wife suzanne and actually she told police she did it full confession first degree. Murder rarely happens but here it happened and vern. He was a police officer a respected member of the community. His death made headlines so you might think murder murder. A cop confessed expert defense attorney christine funk says that's the kind of thing that has consequences if you kill a super nice guy who is a member of law enforcement because you were mad at him. You don't need a degree to no. That's not going to get you out of it. They threw the book hitter. They locked up for life. Nobody gets away with something like that right well. No that's not what happened by nineteen seventy-one suzanne store. Doc was a free woman. See very store. Doc was a senior official in the state government. So newspapers paid attention. Fourteen of them carried stories of his murder in wisconsin michigan and minnesota. Not just in the days after for weeks for months for the next few years but nothing came of that. There is no sensational murder trial where a jury punished suzanne for brutal crime. Instead the news cycle diminished into a trickle of procedural updates. Suzanne said she did it there. Were hearing delays. A new judge. Vogel lead prosecutor. The district attorney himself handed off the case to a rookie prosecutor to go on an army retreat. Eventually the charges were reduced from first degree murder to manslaughter. Manslaughter just the unintentional. Killing of another person no intent no motive no murder and that all happened because of a really wild chain of events. here's criminal defense attorney christine funk again. Well at the end of the day the legal come down to sort of perfect storm. Suzanne store slept just three nights in jail. She spent eleven months in a mental health facility. Then she got married again. Verne was suzanne's fourth husband. She buried five of them in the end. More about those guys later.

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Introducing: MANslaughter

The Mysterious Mr. Epstein

05:50 min | 3 months ago

Introducing: MANslaughter

"Let me tell you about the heroin. New true crime podcast called manslaughter. It's the spine chilling story of murderer. Suzanne store doc a wisconsin housewife who confessed to killing her husband in cold blood with single gunshot to the head. Suzanne call the police to report that verne. Her husband had been shot when police arrived. They found verne's murdered body slumped over near the bed and suzanne covered in blood. Suzanne was as charming as she was manipulative. She was always successful in getting what she wanted. And in this case it was getting away with murder but this might not have been the first time nor the last. You're about to hear a brief clip from the show but while you're listening be sure to subscribe to manslaughter on amazon music stitcher or wherever. You're listening right now. You can also been all six episodes right now and and free by joining one three plus in the wondering app a two. Am the village of oregon in wisconsin. A few thousand people on the edge of a small highway a few miles of streets like this one the kind of place where people take pride in keeping the sidewalk shoveled neat from snow. And it's cold. The calendar says march but the weather says january alone car whizzing by. There won't be another one for a while. It's probably some kids sneaking home after a night partying and madison. The big city. This is a small town but it's late night for someone moving through that big house. The light burning in the den snaps off a shadow passes the windows heading up the stairwell. You can see more than one person upstairs. Then there's movement in the master bedroom voices fat and we need right away. I don't know the perpetrator still there. I got but she did know that woman was suzanne store check. She was married to my uncle vern and he was murdered. In the most elegant mansion and wisconsin this is manslaughter and this next part is hard to hear hard to look at. Susan's call brought the police to that big beautiful house and when they went upstairs vern store docs body was slumped on the floor. Next to the bed much of his head was gone. Blown off blood brains and tissue were everywhere splattered across the walls and floor staining. The purple bedspread stuck to the floral wallpaper. Stark an undeniable violence police reports noted it visible on the freshly washed underwear towels in a laundry basket. Some feet away. One gunshot from a high powered rifle ended. The life of a decorated war veteran and a career law enforcement officer laverne gerald store. Doc vert to family and friends verne's brutal murder shocked tout shocked. This whole part of wisconsin really and the wild part of the story was the identity of the killer because it was the same woman who made the nine one one call his wife suzanne and actually she told police she did it full confession first degree. Murder rarely happens but here it happened and vern. He was a police officer a respected member of the community. His death made headlines so you might think murder murder. A cop confessed expert defense attorney christine funk says that's the kind of thing that has consequences if you kill a super nice guy who is a member of law enforcement because you were mad at him you don't need a law degree to no that's not going to get you out of it. They threw the book. Are they locked her up for life. Nobody gets away with something like that right well. No that's not what happened by nineteen seventy-one suzanne store. Doc was a free woman. Seat vern store. Doc was a senior official in the state government. So newspapers paid attention. Fourteen of them carried stories of his murder in wisconsin michigan minnesota not just in the days after for weeks for months for the next few years but nothing came of that. There is no sensational murder trial where a jury punished suzanne for brutal crime. Instead the news cycle diminished into a trickle of procedural updates. Suzanne said she did it there. Were hearing delays a new judge. The lead prosecutor. The district attorney himself handed off the case to a rookie prosecutor. Go on an army retreat. Eventually the charges were reduced from first degree murder to manslaughter. Manslaughter just the unintentional. Killing of another person no intent no motive no murder and that all happened because of a really wild chain of events. here's criminal defense attorney christine funk again but at the end of the day the legal gymnastics. Come down to sort of a perfect storm. Suzanne store docs slept just three nights in jail. She spent eleven months in a mental health facility. Men she got married again. Verne was suzanne's fourth husband. She buried five of them in the end. More about those guys later.

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Secrets at the Sunshine Motel

Dateline NBC

44:27 min | 1 year ago

Secrets at the Sunshine Motel

"I just felt confused just in disbelief kind of out of body. Almost how could you do something like that? Why he talked about how scary was that something could happen to him. He was afraid for his life. Dead men tell no towns but this one left a trail of clues. I've never seen my dad that way before. He has never shown me. Fear of anything patriarch powerbroker. He was head of a family company. The business was real estate and someone was bound to make a killing. Never dropped anything like that would happen. Murdered House he was selling. Was this deal gone bad? We just had some bizarre things happening in the office or maybe bad blood at home. My son texted me that he was scared and he wanted me to come pick him up. Danger was out there soon. Erez arrests rats arrest arrest after arrest and twist after twist. Nice your blood boil. It's beyond my comprehension. She was the flame. She was the ignition. It was a perfect storm. I'm Lester Holt. And this is dateline. Here's Josh Mankiewicz with secrets at the Sunshine Motel. It's the pulse pounding start to a heart wrenching. Dale Police officer wearing a body camera running to face who knows what medical man down a room awash in blood in here that would be the first of many questions and the starting line of a race for survival drama. This was a mystery that more than once would appear to be solved here in this sleepy town. In the end there were more twists than in the river that runs through it. The ripples and attis withhold some disturbing secrets about family about France about who will betray you. Who Won't just a little more than two hours from soggy Seattle Sits Yakima valley where orchards and vineyards flourish the abundant sunshine of south central Washington. And it was just outside Yakima on a Saturday in May two thousand thirteen. The field was meteor father-in-law. I had sent him some messages early in the morning asking if I could borrow his truck because I wanted to go to a nursery. And he's like why I'm going to be out there anyway showing a house so I can just meet you. There cures filed or in law. Vert Holbrooke was one of the best known and best selling realtors in this part of Washington. State the meet time at the nursery was set. Eleven fifteen am. I sent him a message when I got there. And he said clients running late. Just got here. See you in a bit in about thirty minutes later. I sent him a message and said that I was done and I didn't hear anything goes by two hours. Yeah I did and I thought well no. I don't want to interrupt him if he's with a client. Do I regret that every second? Yeah I do so tear a turn toward home editor husband. Vern Steps Andrew. When she got home she said you know. It's really weird. Your Dad never showed up and I just told her you know he probably just got tied up in a deal. In Verne's kids were used to this behavior. He worked more than sixty hours a week every week because he enjoyed it he wanted to help. People find a home. Version was not only the founder and owner of the family. Business Aspen real estate. He was also the patriarch of a large blended family that included Stepson Andrew. His wife Tara and their children he was the leader of the family. Everyone looked up to him along with stepson chant. I think he worked as long as he did because he enjoyed it. And use a real Social Guy Shannon his wife. Jill gave vern three grandchildren. He was a wonderful dad. Wonderful GRANDPA HEY on about burn. Jill celebrating adverts seventy fifth. Birthday Party remembers him as a constant presence the anchor ever present for his grandkids and great grandkids on Christmas morning or their birth dates. He's always been the stability of the family in fact when Jill's marriage to Chad ended after nine years. Verne was still there for them. Vern helped out with essentials for the kids help Jill out with a job and more. That's the kind of man he wants. He helps anybody out in doesn't matter who they are big heart you chart and using that huge heart to help family members or clients was what seemed to keep vern young. After Andrew's mom died in two thousand seven. Vern eventually remarried and kept moving whether he was catching fish. Closing deals using Jean Verne had tried to slow down even selling his company in two thousand eight to an ambitious young agent who Verna trained and taken under his wing Daniel Blizzard who was buying the business with his two brothers that appeal of Daniel and his brothers was that it would still be a family and local business as opposed to becoming a chain. Couldn't stop selling. He kept wanting to retire. It would get pushed back because he was living hand to mouth. He had no money because he loved it. He liked being the best at it so on that Saturday in May when Verne missed his meeting with Tara Andrews simply dismissed it as vern being vern until tarum got a phone call that night from Chan. And he's like. Have you heard from burns? Something's wrong he's in the hospital or something? You gotta go check and then I like instantly. I'm worried is a physician's assistant in new Memorial Hospital. Well she was pointed to the EON. Were a nurse delivered the devastating news. She proceeded to tell me that he had been beaten and his throat was slashed and that they were getting ready to airlift him to harborview in Seattle happened. She soon learned at the House Vernon showing to clients. That's whatever it hadn't shown up to meet her that morning. I walked up to the head of the bed and just so swollen and disfigured and I went down to the foot of the bed and is feet were sticking out. That's what looked like him. The rest of him was not that is not the version that I know. Wouldn't you figure that happen? I I wasn't sure at that point. Film Ruins. She was hysterically crying and she told me that my dad had been attacked and I was in disbelief too. I didn't think that it was real at first but it was vern. Holbrook's life was dangling by a threat. He turned out to be the proof that you can be both beloved and still have mortal enemies enemies. Who might they be when we come back? Certain texted me that he was scared on entire family frightened. Enter a mystery woman with a secret. And it was a doozy. Anybody bring their kids to a murder. This is the first free what began as a sunny Saturday in Yakima ended for Verne. Holbrook's family in an all night. Vigil at this Trauma Center in Seattle. They've gathered quickly at Verne's bedside after hearing he'd been badly beaten his throat slashed. Apparently a house he was showing real estate clients. What were you told about his condition and his prognosis and they were worried about how much air he was getting to his brain. The Verne that we all loved died that day burns. Former daughter-in-law Jill remembers hearing of the attack and how it frightened the entire family. My son texted me. That GRANDPA was attacked and that he was scared and he wanted me to come pick him up and the task of quieting the family's fears and finding out who would attack Verne was now in the hands of Sam. Peralte who at the time was a Yakima County sheriff's detective. Did you never I knew of him. He was just known to be one of the big movers and shakers. In the real estate industry and the ACKNOWLE Valley. The detective had been called to the house where vern was found that Saturday night. He'd heard from the responding officer the one who wore this body camera and captured these scenes from the moment he arrived just before eight pm that a colleague had gone looking for work. Bruins wife had become worried that he didn't return from the show. The colleague found in here lying in a pool of blood at this rural home near the small town of Cow Itchy. The last people talk to earn around eleven fifteen and so we could surmise that. He had likely been attacked sometime around noon so he been lying there. For what seven or eight hours? Yes not a whole lot of evidence to go off at the beginning. No Verne's truck still parked outside offered little. His Wallet was in there with his. Id and his credit cards so presumably not robbery right in fact as police inventory the C. Only one thing seemed to be missing telephone. That's what it looks like this. But Verne's missing cell phone didn't hinder the investigation within hours. The detective had burns phone records in hand. And you go to. What the last person to call him. I was able to see the the last number that connected. Yes call that number. I did and I left a message. Just asking for a return. Call who that phone number. Come back to. Adriana Mendez was the name attached to the account the detective sooner that Adriana Mendez was a twenty three year old mother of three with a minor criminal record for misdemeanor assault living with her kids in Yakima at the Sunshine Motel the next day Adriana Mendez called back. We appreciate you coming Dyer today and agreed to meet with detectives. He needs to take so long in China to offer. She seemed excited and nervous. Talk and fast. Adriana admitted calling burnt twice the day of the attack. She said she wanted to talk to him about selling a mobile home but he couldn't see her. Tell you that he was visiting China House. So records confirmed Adrian is calls to burn but it was something else that convinced the detective. The Adriana wasn't telling the truth she insisted she never left. Yakima that day until but phone records. Don't lie people who forget about them and the detective had maps showing Adriana had made the last call to learn from the same rural area where the attack took place so she was pretty close to him when that call was mad yes determined the truth over the next several hours. Adriana story changed again and again until she gave it up. She admitted meeting with. Vern said it was the idea over boyfriend Luiz. She told a story backed up by surveillance tape from the Sunshine Motel of Louis Picking Up Adriana and her three small children that morning at ten forty five. She told detectives they drove to the House. In Cow Itchy met with her and while the kids waited in the car she louise went inside with burned to view the house and in the back bedroom. Jane you saw him vern smoking corner by last. I saw you didn't walk back in there to see what was going on. Adriana said Louise came out moments later they tossed ver- and cell phone out the car window on the way home before Louise's delivered Adriana and her three kids back to the sunshine motel again confirmed on video by twelve thirty one PM to the detective. It was obvious this has been a plot to set up a meeting with Verne with the sole purpose of killing him. They were seen anybody bring their kids to a murder. No this is a first for me is probable cause to think that you are an accomplice. And that's why you're in arrest within hours. Detectives had Adriana Boyfriend in custody as well through an interpreter. Luis Gomez Magas also initially told a STORY ABOUT ADRIANA CONTACTING. Vern the cell a mobile home. That's you're you're telling me lies. Injury started off telling me the same lies. She said that you hit the guy from behind when he wasn't even looking. Think that your story is GonNa you're under arrest for the attempted murder in Holbrook. Detectives were convinced. They had the two people who attacked firm that Saturday in May but they also knew or thought they knew there was a lot more of the story. These suspects certainly weren't trained hired. Assassins were so clumsy. They'd even use their own phone. But where would this lead? Why would to people who never met? Verne? Holbrooke WANNA kill him coming up the bells and whistles definitely start going off a trail of clues security video text messages a secret code once vern worth more dead than alive all of a sudden. I saw that he was fearful of his life when dateline continues. Hey everyone it's mainly MSNBC correspondent and host of new podcast into America. What happens if you're one of the more than two million Americans sitting behind bars as Doronin by response this week? I talked to a Colorado woman who is struggling to remain in contact with her incarcerated husband. Being the way that I don't know what's going on I don't know is he. Okay Hey is he sick. So it's like we're trying to live our lives like we normally would but how can you and Dateline NBC producer? Dan SLEPIAN TAKES INSIDE NEW YORK. Sing Sing Correctional Facility to me. Jj Velazquez an inmate. Who describes how prison dynamics are shifting as fears of an outbreak growth? Air Israel prisoners a place where like when this tension you can feel the tension in the end. You can feel the senior when you walk around. And it's thick subscribe for free. Wherever you get your podcast. We just want to be treated fairly kyko shooting happening. I don't care what he says he's not getting. Michael Hi everyone is mainly MSNBC correspondent and host of new podcast into America featuring the journalist NBC. News it's a show about politics about policy and about the power that both had shaping the lives of the American people. The roller coaster is not any easier to stomach now than it was two years ago. Each week we're going into America to tell voters stories. He's doing the best they can for the country because willing constantly doesn't mean that we should lose to you can find new episodes of into America and your feet every Thursday to subscribe search into America wherever. You're listening right now to in a Seattle Hospital for Holbrooke in that gray area between life and death in the week after he was savagely beaten his throat slit during a routine real-estate showing in May of two thousand thirteen detectives had quickly made two arrests charged with attempted murder. Thirty eight year old. Louis Gomez Mangas. Who denied any part in the attack? It is twenty three year old girlfriend Adriana Mendez who admitted luring Verne to the meeting at Louise's request and then witnessing Louise Assault vern. She said she had no idea why Lewis would do that. You believe that no and why did perol not believe Adriana told me so busy because in that same interview she had also. Unwittingly dropped a bombshell. When asked how out of all the dozens of realtors in Yakima? She just happened to call. Verne's company Aspen Real Estate Kabila people as you wait. There was that Do what goes through your mind when she says that the bells and whistles definitely start going off bells and whistles because after Verne had been assaulted his family had flooded detectives with calls so he started thinking to yourselves. Who'd want to hurt him purse? Stamos Daniel Blizzard Daniel Blizzard. That ambitious agent to whom Verne was going to sell the company. Someone Verne had once trust it. Did you think Daniel's well yeah I was pretty sure why with zero proof? So many believe blizzard was behind the attack. Detective Perol sued heard a story that went like this in the fall of two thousand eight version called employees like bookkeeper. Judy Craven to a meeting. He was selling the company I think he wanted to spend more time with his family. And just focus on the selling part not deal with that day to day managing no longer a rumor said this email to announce the sale verne was selling Aspen to Daniel Blizzard. And his two brothers vern would stay on as the designated broker for one year vern held a barbecue and took this photo with the blizzard family to cement. The new relationship with the deal went south quickly. They made the first three payments and then they just stopped. It was the height of the great recession. Real estate was taking Verne was understanding but then the blizzards approached vern with a request. They asked my dad to take out what's called a key. Man Life Insurance policy him being the key person or the key man in the organization because aspirin real is. That really was just your Dad at absolutely West my dad. It made good financial sense. At the time Burns. Death would cripple the company so the life insurance policy would pay one point. Five eight million dollars upon death ver knew they were taking that policy out on that he was comfortable with that. I wouldn't say he was comfortable with it. The blizzards never missed a payment on the life insurance but they never made another payment on the business so in January two thousand Tan just sixteen months after selling the company. Verne sent out another email to staff. This time to say Daniel is no longer with Aspen. Real estate firm was taking back the company he'd built. It's like if you can't make your payments you can't keep it so I think you know he had to. There were complaints filed with the real estate board lawsuits countersuits at all the while. That life insurance policy seemed to weigh on Verne's mind he went to the life insurance company and he asked him to remove it. No one in that company would remove the policy because WHO's paying the premiums that's correct and all the sudden. I saw that he was fearful of his life to detective per all. This all added up to motive one point five eight million reasons the Daniel Blizzard might want vern Holbrooke debt. But what was the link between Daniel and Adriana Louise? I'm using the holy grail. At this point in the investigation would be defined provable contact between Daniel Blizzard and Adriana Mendez. Write it down. The Holy Grail was only a few blocks away at the Sunshine Motel. I went to the motel and they told me that big white guy would come in occasionally and pay Adrian rent for so you get the security video right and who is standard there. He was a week before the attack. Blizzard Adriana is bill at the Sunshine Motel and parole soon found more text messages between Adriana and Daniel from the day. Verne was attacked nine. Twenty four am Daniel Texts Adriana. Don't be late for shopping. What's going on there. It appears to be code to me. What they're talking about. Is THE REAL ESTATE APPOINTMENT WITH VERNE? At twelve oh four. Pm presumably was right around when the attack happened. Adriana Texts Daniel. We are going shopping. I believe that that is her way of telling Daniel that the job is done and that same afternoon who pulls up at the Sunshine Motel pick our Adriana. You guessed it Daniel Blizzard possible. They were just talking about shopping. Anything is possible. It's not very likely finally in September. Two thousand thirteen nearly three months after the attack the detective went to pick up Daniel. He didn't seem surprised to see me when he didn't say gee detected what could this possibly be about. No he didn't ask detective. Who's investigating the attack on Vernal Rook? It didn't take long for Daniel Blizzard to tell investigators how he really felt about Verne and the business deal. That had gone bad. He didn't bury Laborat- well. Good job on screwing us over. So how did you screw over? Just lies deceit. I have nothing bad against at all when I use these kinds of words. It's not out some kind of grudge or anything like that. And why was Daniel Paying Adriana rant and taking her shopping involved in a sexual relationship with Adriana? He's hoping out of the kindness of your heart. Kokai Protective Perol was having none of it. You're obviously sticking to your story but I do not believe it so at this time. I'm going to tell you that you are under arrest for attempted murder Vernon Holbrook for the first time. Daniel Blizzards demeanor changed. He was definitely surprised. Look like he might be ill. What went through your mind when police told you that they'd arrested Daniel Blizzard. Thank God. Finally really it sounded like a case neatly tied up. Two attackers linked to a man with motive and millions to gain. That wasn't the whole story. There was someone else involved. The detective believed someone else who had betrayed. Verne's trust and to say it. Was someone close to Verne. Would be an understatement. In fact it's someone you've already mic coming up arrest number for satisfaction. Huge satisfaction is about a split. The family into by the fall of two thousand thirteen three months after the attack. Vern Holbrooke was in a coma but somehow still alive you either of you hold out any hope for a recovery. I think you always want to believe and have hoped that someone's going to get better job with hospital staff all the time skies honor. If anybody can come out of this it's going to be have and as the autumn winds rolled into the Yakima Valley. Detective Sam Perol already had made three arrests but there was one more to come and to say it was a shocker. Would be an understatement. There was one more name the detective had been. Hearing from Verne's family. People can live in things because it turned out that the plots alleged mastermind Daniel Blizzard had for several years dated and helped support financially a woman who had once been his clover and Holbrook as a child. This woman remember her. He helps anybody out. Mother to three Verne's grandchildren his former daughter-in-law Jill Taylor what would ever motivation. Be for taking part in that plot. Suppose the only connection would be her relationship with Daniel. And what's good for? Daniel is good for Jill. I would think so. And the detective found that Jill Taylor was also the common link between Daniel Blizzard. And another of the alleged participants of the plot Adriana Mendez what today Adriana Mendez and Jill Taylor having common methamphetamine. They met through a common friend at a party using drugs. Detectives say that friendship forged in math became so close that Jill invited Adriana and her three kids to move in with her and it was at Jill's apartment where Daniel men Adriana and Louis Adriana wouldn't know Daniel Without jail correct. The detective was starting to get a clearer. Picture of how the alleged co conspirators came together. And he soon found another of Gills France filled in some more blanks for him really tight. Vikki Vargas came forward to say it was no secret. What Jilin Daniel wanted like the damage is? She's telling me about it. She was trying to kill some guy. Her brand new times. When that didn't work Daniel was trying to pay Jill ten thousand dollars. Kill this book. Do believe her. It was believable that they were going around asking people about a hit man for ten thousand dollars and the proof that Jill took part in. The plot came from her own lips. If you believe the former family members pointed fingers at her and her once again Chad Jill's ex husband. He said that six weeks before the attack. Jill said something strange. When discussing supervised visits with their three children. She told me that Vern may not be around that much longer to be supervising visits and I said well. Why would you think that she told me? Then that will you know. He makes a lot of enemies and he's going to end up making the wrong kind of enemies. All of this eventually landed Jill in the sheriff's office herself. Is it. Okay if we talk about this I won't. I would rather have lawyer best. It's just because it's such a delicate situation in professional. I understand that China. Not You know I. I don't personally Anderson. I do need let you know that you are under arrest recanted. Murder belief satisfaction satisfaction huge satisfaction. You saw jill being sort of what upon of Daniel I think they used each other mill questions. Us involve not in our minds. Fair people were now charged with the attempted murder of Verne Holbrook and then the case changed again in January of two thousand fourteen eight months after he was attacked for an holbrook died from his injuries. It was a sense of relief for him that he didn't have to suffer anymore but it was really hard really hard for the entire family to see him now with anymore. It turned the attempted murder into a first degree murder premeditated murder and it sort of raised the stakes. All around right but once again what seemed to be and what would be wouldn't quite line up. There was one more twist in that long river of lies coming up the case heads into court with a surprise on the stand for Virginia. Jill Taylor the accused becomes Jill Taylor star witness when dateline continues as the four people now charged with the murder of Verne Holbrooke trial in the county. Jail Verne's family former colleagues filled a special sort of animosity for one of them. Jill Taylor Jill had been Verne's daughter-in-law how could she be part of the plot to kill him? How could you do this to someone who cared for you and took care of you in helped your kids and you were a part of this family? How could you do something like that hard? To believe that somebody who had been the beneficiary of burns generosity would be involved in any way of that. I don't know what was going on in the world that she felt she needed to do that. Jill's arrest was especially troubling for her ex husband. Because Chad says he tried to tell over the gills behavior could be volatile and violent. I had tried to warn in a couple of times after our split up. You know that she's dangerous and that he should be careful and he just kind of Lou- what her now. Whatever and you know by. I didn't think much of it. And then as the trials of the four suspects wound their way toward the courthouse. Verne's family was blindsided yet again. Prosecutors called to say they were offering deals to two of the suspects to make sure their cases were rock solid against accused shot collar Daniel Blizzard and the alleged attacker. Luis Gomez Mangas. The state would allow Louise's girlfriend Adriana Mendez and Jill Taylor to walk out of jail. If the two women would agree to testify against the two men did they ask your permission for this or were they essentially saying? This is the way the cookie crumbles. We didn't have a choice but we were made aware that this is what they were thinking of doing. Why were those deals necessary? Deputy Prosecutor Alvin Goose. Mom kind of trying to pick the lesser of two evils on that meaning. You get the mastermind and you get the guy whose hand was actually on the knife and maybe the little fish swim away. That's essentially what happened in the situation. Do you think you're a strong case against you'll Tayla. She was probably the weakest case. We would have had compared to all four people that we believed were involved and so in August two thousand fourteen. The murder trial of Daniel Blizzard began with a parade of lawyers. Life Insurance Salesman and law enforcement taking the stand before the star witnesses began to appear to calm. Jill Taylor claimed that Daniel wanted vern dead so he could collect the one point. Five eight million dollar insurance policy and that Adriana Mendez told her that she and Louise we're going to go through with the attack urn. We're GONNA kill her for what it was her turn. Adriana Mendez said Daniels showed her a wad of cash to entice her feet on four track after the attack was over. Adriana claim Daniel gave her the ten thousand dollars plus a two thousand dollar bonus. That money was never recovered. This blizzards defense attorney. Peter Mazzoni argued that Adriana. Jill would have said anything on the stand because of those get out of jail. Free deals offered by prosecutors so long as the lab night was the defense argued jurors had to acquit Daniel Blizzard. Because of a lack of evidence you will not hear of a symbol shredder forensic evidence of any kind leading this man or after three weeks. The jury has the case but it took less than a full day of deliberation to deliver a verdict. We the jury and the defendant was guilty of the crime of first degree murder. You know what we wanted and what was right happened. It was a huge huge relief that the jury found the truth color changed but he did a pretty good job of maintaining his poker face. This was a guy I thought he was going to get away with it. I think so. The judge sentenced Daniel Blizzard. Two more than thirty four years in prison a month later the trial of Louise Gomez Mont gets. He testified that it was not he but Adriana Mendez who had slashed Holbrook's neck and struck him healty high speed murder. The jury didn't buy it. The judge sentenced Louise to more than twenty-six years behind bars. The two men we're going to prison. What would happen to those? Two women who've cut deals to help them there and what Jill Taylor have to say about it all coming up just set me up for everything else. He set me up deeply involved or wrongly accused. We're about to hear from Jill Taylor herself so you kind of victim here. I don't like to call myself a victim after Daniel. Blizzard and Luis Gomez Mangas were sentenced for the murder of realtor Vern Holbrooke. It was time for the two women charged in the case to face the judge in exchange for her cooperation. Adrian amends the woman who brought her three small children to a murder scene was allowed to plead guilty to charges of assault and criminal rendering. She was sentenced to time. Served about fifteen months and released. And Jill Taylor Vernon Holbrook's former daughter-in-law was set free. After spending about a year in the county jail charges of first degree murder were dismissed without prejudice meaning. Prosecutors do have the option of refiling at some point in the future but at this point Jill has never been convicted of any crime. In connection with Verne's deaf Verne's family is still bitter about Jill's deal if it wasn't for Joel putting it all together helping Daniel put the pieces together. This may not have happened. I think that's Criminal it's You know shouldn't have happened You know she in my opinion definitely got away with murder and when you walk out of this interview she might be standing on the street. You never know de crosses my mind. We wanted to talk to Jill Taylor and it turned out. She wanted to talk with us to tell a story of betrayal but in her telling she's the one who was betrayed. When we sat down with Jill she'd been out of jail for about three months claiming she was caught in a web of Daniel Blizzards Creation. When you heard that. Vernon attacked and left for dead. How'd you feel that? Maybe you could have headed that off. Some Hell No. I wouldn't have headed off anyhow because Daniels determined to do what he wanted to do. I really cared about Daniel. And it was just really hoping that he would pull his head out of his rear. Maybe I have issues with letting people use me. The just set me up for everything. Daniels set me. Up is a win win for him but remember it was only through Jill Daniel Blizzard Matt Adriana and Louise? Jill admits that's true admits. She knew blizzard at paid them admits she never told police but told us something she never said on the stand that Adriana convinced her the attack would never happen. Went to her. Hotel is about an April and I just told her that. I don't care how much money he's already lent your whatever. You're not obligated to do anything. And she says we're not GonNa you know I'm not GonNa do that. You Know Adriana specifically told you she was not going to go through the Denver Right yes. You must have been surprised when it turned out after all guard we asked yellow the death of a man who'd been good to her and her kids. Her answer was that the financial help vern provided for her and her family has been overstated. I mean thirty six thousand a year. We I had a good job. I paid my own bills. He only helped me when I first split up with my ex husband and I paid him back every dime that he had helped me with. Jill Blooms Verne's family for making her look bad particularly her ex Chad. Your ex husband was the only person who thought you were assessed by pretty much. Everybody else endurance family mentioned you. Daniel Blizzard right away to police. I don't understand why they think that I would do anything to him like that. I mean what would I be gained from it? What would you yeah vern is Daniel? Blizzard is your boyfriend gets more than a million dollars for him. Well present nothing to do with me reasonably you might share in. That was thinking. Don't you think if I was going to attack somebody that I would go attack? Somebody WORTH WILL. A million and a half dollars is a lot of motive. I don't care about money I don't get it. Why people are so shallow when it comes to money Jill Story. She didn't want the money. Her boyfriend lied to her. The couple that lured earned. The home lied to her. But those claims that Daniel Blizzard had asked Jill to poison vern. Well those according to jail are true Daniel gave you poison. I think so I just dumped it out so what kind of poison it was and he said what put this in. Verne's drink or and you said what I'm not I'm not gonNA commit murder. I figured flavor you know I can tell you that Steve and you call the police. No you didn't gullible I would. I asked you to commit murder. It could have been sugar water for all. I know I come from a world that you don't go to the police because someone sneeze wrong. You know why Daniel think that you would be willing to boys. I did love him in. Yeah. I would've done things for him. So you're kind of a victim here. I don't like to call myself a victim me emmy by your definition. Yeah of course. There's one person who's pretty clearly a victim. Vern Holbrooke built a successful business and love his role at the center of a happy family. Did he trusts too much. Should he have known what might be coming? Maybe those are tough questions to answer because the truth is no one wants to believe your business partner will betray you after. All the idea is that they're just like family. That's all for now. I'm Lester Holt. Thanks for joining us. Willie geist here this week. On the Sunday sit down. Podcast I head to Waco Texas to get together with fixer upper stars chip and Joanna Gaines to talk about turning a local business into an get that conversation now for free wherever you download your podcasts.

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November 29, 2019: Natalie Wood Drowns

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November 29, 2019: Natalie Wood Drowns

"The today is Friday November twenty nine th two thousand nineteen on this day. In Nineteen eighty-one actress Natalie. Wood drowned off the coast of Catalina Island in southern California. Police initially ruled the death an accident in recent years her case was reopened and investigated as a possible homicide. Welcome to today and true crime apart. CAST original. I'm Vanessa Sir. Richardson due to the graphic nature of today's crimes listener. Discretion is advised extreme. Caution is advised for listeners under thirteen eighteen today. We're covering the death of Natalie Wood officially caused by drowning and other undetermined factors now. Let's board the splendor a little after midnight on November twenty ninth nineteen eighty one. Dennis vern captain of Rubber Wagner's yacht the splendour her sat tensely on his bed. Listening for more shouts outside his room for the first time in a while he heard nothing he took a deep breath and slowly relaxed finally Natalie and her husband Robert Wagner. Were done arguing. Doing the yelling had been going on for hours but the fight had truly begun the previous evening after Robert had awoken from an afternoon her noon. NAP when Robert woke up he reached out expecting to put his arms around his wife instead he discovered she was already already gone. He found a note from her informing him. She had gone to sure for dinner with her friend. Fellow actor Christopher Walken. When Robert was agitated he thought they had put their issues behind them now? He felt abandoned on the yacht. With only captain tune diversion for company. Robert took a deep breath and composed himself he would join them for dinner on shore and everything thing would be all right Robert Dressed and headed to the restaurant where he found Christopher and Natalie eating and laughing together he sat with them and the three began drinking together. They drank heavily and it didn't take long for them to grow rowdy. After a couple all of ours doug bomb barred the owner of the restaurant and a friend of Natalie and Robert helped escort them back to the splendor along with Christopher as they drunkenly stumbled aboard the yacht. It was clear emotions. were running high between Natalie and her husband for her part. Natalie spent most of her time talking to Christopher which inflamed Robert's jealousy according to Captain d'auvergne. He tried to keep Robert hurt distracted by serving drinks in the salon of the ship but Robert was incorrigible. He confronted Christopher and loudly demanded to know. So if he was sleeping with Natalie both he and Natalie denied the accusation. Natalie stormed out of the Salon and the couple went back to their bedroom to talk while Christopher went to his quarters to get some rest. Dennis vern remained on the bridge trying to ignore the shouts of Natalie and Robert. He turned on music but nothing drown out the sound of the couple arguing vern sat up until eleven o'clock when the shouting suddenly stopped. According to Dennis he waited for around fifteen minutes before going to check on Robert and Natalie he found Robert on the deck red faced and disheveled. Natalie was nowhere to be seen. Rubber told vern that Natalie had gone missing. Dennis couldn't understand how that was possible possible. It was a large yacht but there weren't many places to hide. He asked his boss if they should call the coastguard worried. Natalie might side of fallen overboard. Everyone knew she couldn't swim so he was especially worried. Something bad might have happened to her Robert. Robert told him to wait and that he expected Natalie back at any moment since Robert was not elise husband and Dennis's boss. The captain trusted him and waited an hour for Natalie to return. When she didn't Robert called some friends he knew on Catalina Island Island and ask them to go searching for Natalie Robert and Dennis sat down and drank some more while they waited to hear word from Roberts friends a full two hours later at three thirty? Am On November twenty ninth. The harbormaster finally early convinced Robert to call the coastguard but by then it was too late coming up. The police. Discover Natalie's body now back to the story at seven forty four. AM on November. Twenty Ninth Nineteen eighty-one The harbor director on Catalina Island found something in the water that turned his stomach. Thank loading in front of him. Was the body of forty three year old actress Natalie Wood Natalie had gone missing hours hours earlier aboard a yacht named the splendor. The captain of the yacht her arguing with her husband actor Robert Wagner until around midnight according to witnesses when he was told his wife's body had been found Robert only looked down at the ground. Hardly reacting thing at all but to the public news of Natalie's death a was a bomb show the film industry and the nation at large mourned her tragic passing for months afterward. Meanwhile police began an investigation. Into the circumstances that led to Natalie's death jeff the three men who were aboard the splendor that night Captain Dentist Verne. Robert Wagner and Natalie's friend actor Christopher walking all maintained that her death was an accident some evidence cast doubt on their claims. For one. Natalie's body had bruises on her arms and torso in addition to witnesses on another nearby boat. Heard a woman crying out for help at some point during the night despite this police found little else which hinted at foul play. So they declared layered that Natalie had accidentally drowned possibly after falling overboard because of her intoxication and they closed the investigation soon after Robert Wagner got captain. Dennis d'auvergne a job at the studio where he was filming the TV. TV show heart to heart. According to Dennis while he was working at the studio he lived in Roberts House. He described himself as essentially Roberts prisoner. Dennis said a driver took him directly to and from his job at the studio every day away when he closed the door to his room in Roberts House at night a magnetic lock automatically engaged according to Dennis. He couldn't couldn't leave his own room after a certain hour at the time he assumed Robert was very security conscious and that all the rooms had similar locks looking back he wondered if Robert was keeping a close eye on him. Following Natalie's death despite his ever a growing suspicions. Dennis remained silent about Natalie's drowning for decades. Then in two thousand eleven. He Publicly League changed his story. He stated that he lied to the police. Immediately following Natalie's death he now claims Robert prevented vented him from turning on the searchlight or calling the coast guard. After Natalie went missing in nineteen eighty one. He even went as far whereas to allege that Robert was directly responsible for Natalie's drowning. His statements caused police to reopen. The case. Ace and amend Natalie's death certificate. They changed the official cause of her death from drowning to drowning and other undetermined factors in two thousand thirteen. The coroner's office added to Natalie's original autopsy. Report art the addendum stated. It was possible. Natalie's bruises had been incurred prior to her death though there was no way to know for sure shore both Robert Wagner and Christopher Walken have disputed Dennis's claims that Robert had anything to do with Natalie's death walk in has never been considered a suspect but police named Robert a person of interest in the case in two thousand eighteen as of two thousand nineteen. The investigation is ongoing. Perhaps soon the case can be closed. For good and Natalie's memory can finally be put to rest. Thanks for listening today in true crime. I'm Vanessa Richardson for more information. On Natalie Wood's death check count the episodes of podcast original unsolved murders. That dive deeper into the case today in true crime is a podcast original you. You can find more episodes of today and true crime and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Not only to spotify already. Have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals. Like today in true crime for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to a stream today and true crime on spotify just opened the APP and type today and true crime in the search bar at par cast. Were grateful for you our listeners. You allow allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. We'll be back with a brand new episode tomorrow. In true crime. Today true crime was created by Max Cutler and is a podcast studios original. It is executive produced by Max Cutler sound designed by Russell Nash With Production Assistance by Ron Shapiro Carly Madden Freddie Beckley and Paul Moller for this episode of today. True crime was written by terrel wells with writing assistance by Abigail Cannon. I'm Vanessa Richardson.

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"And you say you belong to me. He's my mind name. So in the nineteen seventies holiday inn was booming especially in tennessee. The company's birthplace good lighting free parking a continental breakfast the same look and feel inside and out everywhere you went for travelers from beyond the foothills of the great smoky mountains for visitors or locals returning to the town of maryville. The motel was a reliable roadside choice in july. Nineteen seventy four. The weather is hot and sticky. It is four years after vern store. Doc's murder a guy in his mid forties checks into the holiday inn and alcoa a stone's throw from the knoxville airport. This man has traveled from new york. City it was rather it was rather strange. He enters his motel room and closes the door days. Pass and nights. Maybe this is what happened next a motel employees. Maybe the maid goes that room with a pass key and find something that no motel employees ever wants to see inside your died in a motel tennissee. It was his favour hotel holiday and the man who died is john bricks. He was suzanne store. Docs second husband knew he was there and he'd been for some time before it was discovered that he died in their own. The words that you are hearing from john's brother we're going to call him joseph to protect his privacy and the voice. You're hearing is an autopsy which i read the thing several times and it was sort of inconclusive but But apparently he died this some kind of heart failure there was no science foul play or yeah self-destruction or anything like that and he had you know he had had any known problems or anything so strained. No one knew he was there. John briggs died four years after vern store doc. He left behind a son. David david briggs. Who had been in the stock house on a fateful night in nineteen seventy the night. Suzanne confessed to shooting. Vern and john was the second father david had lost. My father died of heart attack. While after byrne's death and i got an inheritance which i lived on for several years. David told me. He inherited a sizable amount of money from his dad's estate. That's dorothy marsk vern stocks niece. The last time i saw david was in tennessee. His mother suzanne told me that david spent a lot of summers with the briggs family there. It wouldn't shock me. If there was evidence showing david was involved. Welcome to manslaughter Did you know that everyday foods you love may cause symptoms like bloating stomach pain and headaches. Well thanks to everley. Well you can measure your immune response to ninety six foods that may be the cause of those uncomfortable symptoms to help guide a temporary elimination diet and add back challenge. So you can start taking action on your health and wellness learn more at everley well dot com and explore thirty plus at home lab test from food sensitivity to vitamin d and more. That's everley well dot com. When he was found dead in an unsung hotel room. In tennessee john briggs was both visitor from new york and a local. He grew up in maryville not far from that holiday inn but he also spent years in wisconsin. Where most of our story is happening. That's where he met. Suzanne redhead who you know from the earlier episodes of this podcast as suzanne store doc. John briggs was a doctoral student at the university of wisconsin madison. At the time the town he came from maryvale is home to a small college. Two hundred years old. John was the son of a professor himself. An aspiring academic. I'm sure suzanne saw. John is a step up from her small town carpenter. First husband as a member of the store dock family. Dorothy witness parts of suzanne's third marriage to burn. She never really knew john briggs. He was already gone when suzanne met her uncle. Only much later did she seek out. More about suzanne's second marriage. She didn't learn much but she did interview. Suzanne's maid of honor a friend from the time who attended her wedding to john in nineteen fifty. Two her name is gretchen. rieser She didn't really know susanna john. Twelve later on us a couple but she had worked with the san and remembered. That was my bar university charge. You know office of the university where she did We typed exam. Rich was young when she knew. Suzanne nineteen or twenty. It was her first office job. Messy life canada background. I think gory for. She kept seeing that three times. She said that she felt sorry. For suzanne of besides that gretchen thought john briggs was strange. One time gretchen told dorothy she and i were driving from wisconsin. to florida. gretchen was going to see her grandparents. They gave john reid. John made a move on her friend even though he was engaged to susie so part of why she felt sorry for. Suzy might have been her husband to be and part of why might have been suzy. Self quite different and probably a little bit unhinged anybody. That did the things she did even when i knew her. You know she from her background and just sort of a frantic person to try to get her life together and making choices. The whole time that i can remember. Her mother had a baby and it died pictures as dave in coughing. a doorknob. The heck out of. I don't know it was. It was a strange relationship. I know she was a smart girl. Suzanne's daughter donna. New john briggs better after all her mother was married to him. He was her stepfather. They lived in the same house. Donna redhead says he called her princess. Yes he was. My a papa from when i was about four. Her mother was in the secretarial pool. When she met john john briggs finished a doctorate in madison and he taught for a few years but she would still support him in his quest for career. She would type always paper. She was fantastic typist. After the wedding the family moved to tennessee for a bit. But john was restless. He wanted to go work at an insurance company in new york city. A young executive a man in a gray flannel suit. He took a job with new york life. They moved to queens in nineteen fifty three john and suzanne had a son. David j briggs. You've met him before in this podcast. What you don't know is that david had serious health problems from a young age. He was hospitalized at four. Doctors said he wasn't supposed to live past thirty. James had a lot of medical problems when he was little had to be hospitalized for for long period of time Have have a kidney removed. Had a hole in his heart was allergic to just about everything. According to at john briggs wasn't good with kids he would ramp donna and david on the head if they were allowed and john wooden visit his son in the hospital. He said hospitals made him nervous. Mom would go to the hospital constantly and hop of would not because children made him nervous. When i visited suzanne. She told me she didn't stay in new york. The chew was sent away to john's family in tennessee because their son david may john nervous. That never made sense to me. Dorothy and donna have different pieces of the puzzle which add up to a picture of suzanne. Smart like her maid of honor remembered. Boosting john briggs through career challenges when i talked to her. Suzanne had a nickname for john called him. The dumbbell i think new york society was too big for suzanne. She told me she couldn't make a splash in such a big big pond. And i think that jon board her. Suzanne told me she couldn't even stand being in the same room with him. Donna says there was a very good explanation for that. While suzanne was typing his papers and keeping the house together john briggs stepped out on her mother. Oh and he had once told her if she ever got staff. He would divorce her but while she was away he had an affair with her best friend. Who was a little heavyset and mom did not know about that until she came home and found things in the bed. That shouldn't be there and it caused a violent physical reaction in her. She just couldn't stop wrenching but they did start living apart. John had new use for suzanne or the children so they went to tennessee to stay with the briggs family for a while then they resettled with suzanne's parents and madison and she used her typing skills to get work and her own apartment with her two young children. She and john eventually divorced in nineteen fifty eight. He stayed on in new york city and in the insurance game and sometimes he went back to his hometown. Like in nineteen seventy four that year during a july as hot and sticky as you can imagine the maryville tennessee times ran an obituary. Dr john m briggs forty six former maryville resident and maryville college graduate died sunday at the holiday inn and alcoa while home for a rest. The county coroner did an autopsy corner taught. John's brother told dorothy mark that he had no medical conditions. John's father told the local paper that his son had not been well. That strikes me as weird. When i talked to john's brother. He said nobody in his family knew about john's last visit to tennessee. Nobody saw him the sun that john had sent away the child who had made him nervous. The boy who had health problems of his own david briggs was in john's will. I don't know exactly how much david inherited but my guess is around thirty thousand dollars which would be more than three hundred thousand dollars. Today he was a young man in the nineteen seventies who is still battling health problems. After his father's estate settled he had enough money in his pocket for some good times a friend of his from the time gary grasp man says he bought a small house in madison operated madison for him to live in plus for student housing on the west side of madison and then he saw the movie jaws and he went off the deep end. And we're gonna kill all sharks. He could by china's the biggest movie in america a craze in the summer of nineteen seventy five. That's summer was one of long lines and mixed reviews. The la times hated jaws the reviewer called it coarse grain and exploitative jaws is too gruesome for children and likely to turn the stomachs of the impressionable at any age and david was fascinated with it. Here's another friend of his john. O'neill here done a lotta traveling to florida and out to hawaii After he inherited Some money and Gary will second this. He was inspired by the movie jaws and thought that it would be a grand idea to go down to florida and go hunting. Great white sharks. We all thought especially after seeing the movie. You know if. I list of a hundred things to do. That would probably be right about hundred Here's a little bit more from the la times review violence done to the helpless. Always the hardest to watch is here. Compounded because the victims are in the water and alien environment the inability to flee or fight back as a nightmare of paralysis is real and only too easy to identify with the country. Went into a shark phobia. Stay out of the water. This is the movie that inspired david to hunt. Sharks and things didn't work out too. Well they're a off-again-on-again girlfriend burnt his boat down to the waterline and then he left. Florida went to and then he squandered all his money and he was hardly able to come back. The night fern store. Doc was shot. David had a strong emotional reaction in the years after his friends say he was destabilized. Then he lost his birth father to john briggs died david was twenty two years old. He had no father nor father figure. He was lost and wandering. I got a call back in the early seventies from david my nephew asking if he could stay with with for awhile. Naturally i said he could and then later regretted that decision. Dorothy marsk interviewed a brother of john. Bricks we're going to call him joseph to protect his privacy and the voice you're hearing is an actor. Joseph said when his nephew. David came to stay. It didn't work out well. Joseph briggs told dorothy mark he regretted inviting his nephew david to stay with him for a while. I was the pastor of baptist church. I was married with two daughters and david would be out drinking chasing girls hanging out with a motorcycle gang so he had to go but joseph says david did talk about the murder saying he had witnessed coil in these years. David admitted to shooting vern store dot he confessed to his friend gary grasping i think the he had said to me that was about and i know there was just like a switch turned because parts of david's personality when into a one and all of us around him will we knew it was a tragic event of course but all of this was one of these things that you knew it was going to snap on them and then through life after that. I know there was some. He was living. You know before that before. He told me that would be the summer seventy two that we knew what he was living west with some demons young. His personality changed so dramatically. He didn't become mean he became withdrawn. And there were times when he would be all david would would come out grasping says he felt like sometimes he would lose. David like david would sink into darkness. Here's david's friend. John o'neill after the incident You know it wasn't long. I don't know when the first time he dealt in drugs but he was pretty heavy into drugs by Summer seventy one and so you know and his personality had Taken a complete hundred and eighty degree turn. He was he was unpredictable. Inasmuch as somebody who might be mentally ill On this just you know going from ramallah person you know looking at the dealing with somebody that you know. I'll i'll talk you know in in my own. My own experience with them that it was. It was like dealing with somebody. Who is you know that. I had concluded by one thousand nine hundred. Seventy one was seriously mentally ill. O.'neil isn't a doctor or anything. But he said his friend overreacted to things flew off the handle and had dark thoughts a word he used for david wild and i. I remember thinking at the time you know. Under normal circumstances. I i would not have been Physically intimidated by dave bricks But you you pile on mental illness. You know in and suddenly that person isn't exactly the same the same strength or anything. I mean. you're you're dealing with a wild person. There david spent a lot of time in maryvale. When he was growing up he was caused with a family. If john briggs visited tennessee perhaps recovering from some illnesses. His father claimed it's entirely possible to david might have taken his motorcycle for visit. There's no evidence of a motorcycle trip. No plane tickets or hotel reservations. Connect david tennessee around that time. None of his uncle's mentioned him being. They're not even at the funeral in one thousand nine hundred seventy four. David was a resident of wisconsin. So was his mother suzanne. But dorothy believes she's uncovered evidence that suzanne came into money when john died. John's brother told me that. Suzanne was beneficiary. On one of the insurance policies john briggs was in the insurance business at his death. He was just forty six. A consultant at the metropolitan life insurance company and suzanne was a beneficiary sierra. Don't you think the pandemic has ruined so many things jobs. Weddings birthdays travel plans. Lucky for me. I have a therapist to talk to help me see the positive lights. It really has been the hardest year in memory for so many people including like a lot of others. I took that step to go back into therapy in twenty twenty and i really can't overstate how much it has helped me navigate the uncertainties of this crazy time therapies out me so much for years to work by unstable childhood and then the murder of my uncle in now. There's therapy without leaving your home. Talk space lets you. Tax video or voice message therapists. Right away. I had my reservations about doing it online but the ability to have therapy in the safety of my home has alleviated a lot of the anxiety that comes with just moving through the world right now as a listener of manasota. You'll get one hundred dollars off your first month with talk. Space to match was a licensed therapist. Today go to talks. Space dot com or download. The app make sure to use the code manslaughter to get one hundred dollars off your first month and show support for the show. That's manslaughter and talks. Base dot com in one way. Life insurance forms are a piece of paper cold legal but the names on them reflect feelings about the choices you made to marry someone her leave them about the people you love for are just related to maybe even just about death itself. People sometimes avoid thinking about those choices for decades policies may reflect the past not the present. Suzanne knew her way around this paperwork because of other times she had been a beneficiary after verne died. A court case forced his life insurance company to pay her as beneficiary. Then two in one thousand nine hundred seventy vern stocks only daughter was a student teacher not long married living upstate in illinois in a trailer ten feet wide. Not a mobile home. It was a trailer different. We lived at ten by fifty six trailer out in the country. And my landlady came into your phone call. You had a phone call social. Call column back twenty-three-year-old three year old shannon store doc. Hecht got sinking feeling when she heard that message on march first scott to be by my dad. Why would i say that. I have no cool. And she just said he's been shot so shot him instead and that was it. She pulled herself together and started making phone calls. She looked forward to seeing her mother. Janelle in wisconsin verne's first wife figuring out how to get to the town of beloit from her home to wisconsin was complicated to trains. Maybe a bus for the last leg. Fortunately her mother had sent a forward scout off the train. Walking all of a sudden somebody grabs my purse my shoulder and i just reach around. I'm ready to malcolm and it was my uncle. My mother's brother he'd come to get me. He driven back down from beloit chicago. And and then we would go back to believe on the train. She had plenty of time to think it had been wild since she had talked to her. Father she missed the days when he had been her confidante. She didn't know it yet but soon she would go with her grandmother to the funeral parlor and listen as the director. There refused to show them her father's body she would also with her mother file a claim to her father's and his life insurance policy and we filed it. And wow this would really help with student loans and everything else you know if we could get this life insurance. Speak wonderful win vern store. Doc died his daughter. Shannon didn't get a penny his second wife suzanne and his adopted child her son. Danny did dorothy says. Members of verne's family believed he would to janelle certainly janelle held onto a copy of his will dated from nineteen fifty but a second will filed in nineteen sixty seven was more recent so it was the one that counted and in suzanne store doc was named as the person who had handled the legal matters that arose from verne's death that didn't sit right with verne's niece dorothy. I found it interesting going through the voluminous. probate documents. that right. After the murder she kept turning in requests to the probate to the bank to get all this money for the kids for the house so many expenses some of which he asked for were more than the value of the house itself. Court documents reveal that suzanne had loaned a debt. His estate needed to pay off when he died. Credit card charges. Dentist bills car loans debts of all kinds all of that drained assets from the state further even though she said oh. I've gotta make repairs and night need this for dental and stuff for david who wasn't even legally related to my uncle in the forums. It would say what's your relationship to the deceased and she put widow and i'm like well. Who made you a widow. Her personal attorney witnessed the nine hundred. Sixty seven wills it removes shannon completely in favor of her son. A boy verney had known for less than five years. There was a separate question of life. Insurance shannon raised a claim to it. She and her mother knew about a policy. Verne had gotten when he went back to korea twenty years earlier but again there was a newer policy and through a lawyer. Suzanne and her son danny had just laid claim to the proceeds to will. We didn't we. Didn't we didn't get it because she produced life insurance from six months before that he'd signed policy for six months before the demands verne's will and insurance policies cut his daughter out entirely dorothy. Blame suzanne for that. When i was in college. I go over there. Suzanne would get up and announce in the middle of family and friends. That verne's not going to get any more sex from me until he does. What i want in wasn't until years later. When i was doing this research that i started putting the dates together in i realized when suzanne said those things was right before verney changes well in cut out his daughter shannon. It wasn't just because the policy naming. Suzanne danny was newer when he died the minnesota mutual life. Insurance company asked a judge to sort out which claims on verne's policy mattered between suzanne danny and shannon. That's a pretty normal thing to do. When someone's cause of death is a gunshot to the head and it's a long standing principle of law. A killer isn't supposed to profit from a crime that was shannon's strongest argument that suzanne shouldn't collect on the insurance policy because she caused verne's death suzanne's lawyer made a different case that she didn't act wrongfully inversion staff. She didn't plead guilty danny thing and she denied committing acts with intent to kilburn or even having knowledge that verne had been killed. Her argument went even further. Suzanne claimed that she had been exonerated by the circuit court of dane. County in verne's death fifty year old records and the dane county. Courthouse are incomplete but on this specific question of insurance. A judge threw shannon's claim out. He reasoned that even if something prevented. Suzanne from collecting the money. The policy that mattered the newest one provided a backup recipient suzanne son danny doubt that i can get the life insurance. She didn't get the life insurance life insurance. What took her son priyanka son which my father had adopted so the life insurance twit to the youngest son danny store as a minor that means she got it. Yeah of course whenever about it was it was. It was ten thousand dollars shirts. Probably she did not get ten thousand dollars. But that's that's what it was. Yeah i think there's a clipping amongst all the stuff that that went dan it actually Because i talked to the lawyer who is involved in that. And they didn't expect any to go to her because they had hired him to do case law and he couldn't everything said that the person who who or somebody shouldn't get it but danny any from the available record. It's not clear why this happened. But the final outcome was unusual to say the least under verne's final and most recent life insurance policy. Suzanne store doc and her son danny split about thirteen thousand dollars in proceeds. I made it. They made a deal with with the insurance company that that he danny would get fifty percentage she would give fifty percent or something but i'm In this lawyer shocked by it but i mean. I'm pretty sure. Danny never saw that. Oh i don't think he did. The funny thing about it wasn't wasn't the case settled at the profit from your cry. As she returned to beloit shannon thought back to when verne had left it took her entirely. By surprise she was fifteen years old. There was a weekend that stuck out in her memory. Her father came to pick her up. Took her to a howard johnson's in downtown madison for a friday fish. Fry dinner. howard. Johnson's had twenty eight flavors of ice cream for dessert. Pretty normal but then he put her in a motel room by herself. Close the door and left her. There was gone all night. He didn't come here to the hotel until morning. And i so upset. Because i didn't know whether he was dead or alive. I know what was going on. I didn't know why he didn't come back. I mean he was supposed to be spending the week we can with me. Any any didn't so after picked me up. We went out to the house in oregon that even being murdered. We're not to that house and sue Showed me around the house. A little bit. Shannon says she was terrified partly because she hadn't had much exposure to downtown madison before also. This wasn't what a father was supposed to do. What was i supposed to say. Was i supposed to say how i really felt. I don't think i would work real well I guess. I just didn't want to hurt him by saying how i really felt about it because i was so uncomfortable. You wouldn't believe it. It wasn't the last time she would see vern. There was one more time. When she was coming of age getting through school her father went to court to put an end to the child support payments he was on one side of court. Shannon and her mother janelle were on the other and That was the last time. I saw him so i would have been just over twenty one but that was it that was in court. Nary a word was folk. I guess shannon and her father simply didn't talk. It was after that when verne made a bunch of changes to his will and his insurance nineteen sixty seven the same year that his daughter got engaged Does your father come to your wedding. no. I didn't invite him. Surprisingly suzanne intervened on behalf. And i got a note from i got a note from suzanne saying that if i wouldn't if that if i would invite him she wouldn't come and i were back and i said no so then that was really sort of cutting off my nose to spite my face. Is that how the expression goes. I probably could have mended some bridges time. But i just to me. It just wasn't worth it vern store. Doc had a complicated relationship with being a father in these years after verne was shot. Suzanne son danny got half of the insurance payout because verne had a wanted and that would be legally possible. Only if danny's birth father gave up his parental rights. He must have done that for the adoption to stand. What kind of man would do that. Irv gassed spring is great and all new things growth spring cleaning. But it's also a time of year for taking care of responsibilities. If you wanna make your long list of things to do go a little quicker. Consider shopping for home and auto insurance with policy genius policy genius can help you find home and auto coverage just like what you have now but for less money some customers have saved up to a thousand dollars a year by shopping for insurance policy. Genius dot com. Getting started is easy. I you answer a few questions about yourself and what you're getting coverage for policy genius takes it from there. They'll compare rates from top insurers from progressive state to find you lowest quotes and maximize your savings if policy genius finds a better rate than what you're paying now. They'll switch you over for free. 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The are pretty hard to track down by that point. Irv was around thirty. Jim gassed believes he was conceived on one of his father's short boomerang visits to his mother. He never really knew his dad at all. But every time my mother found out that he was in texas or california air from hawaii She would take out an arrest warrant from the with the local police to have him arrested to pay his back outward. It had no hope of actually gathering in money. Earth got buying life by being good looking charming tending toward the slick side. He definitely was the kind of guy who made a strong first impression. Irked asked was a plumbing. Kinda got But he couldn't hold a job hunting. He held a job for more than a few weeks ever. It is by. His father was prosperous. Though abraham gassed he had a very successful dry cleaning and tailoring company and he kept giving irv various business opportunities. None of them stuck. And i guess he was charming as an adult kid. I didn't see that. Suzanne daughter. Donna was eleven when her mother married irv and we had to call him sir. He had to respect issues. She says he was emotionally and verbally abusive bane of his existence. I can't explain why i think that. He cared about my mom but he he just developed this hatred of my brother in me and i remember one sick day when he had been yelling. And berating us. And i just ran out into a storm. I didn't care if there were ninety mile wins or not. I ran across into the woods. And i wouldn't come back home until until mom showed up within a year danny was born. Donna called these days for her family dysfunctional and she echoes. What serves older son's say that irv wasn't much of a provider but my brother had a really rough time ever ever talking about it and my brother. Dan always knew. Gosh there was something really wrong with his dad and that was sad that they had to grow up. You know without a trauma. Jim guests says his father wanted all of his children to meet but his mother had other ideas. Earth showed up unannounced with tucson in illinois. One of those boys to meet our new brother. My mother tricia did not agree. Mike and i saw them for a few minutes before my mother son think to a neighbor's irv gassed had issues with his mental health and for suzanne his second wife. He was still a run around. Kinda guy here's what. Donna remembers behind her back. He would threaten to leave her. He would tell us my brother and me that we were so horrible. That as soon as our brother dan was born. He was leaving mom. I don't know if he plotted all along but she paid for him. She us all on secretary's salary and put him through beauty school. I remember when he did my hair. I thought it was the ugliest thing i've ever seen. But you know chased different. I was a kid so when he left with another woman and disappeared a off. His threats against us seem huge. I think their marriage quickly declined because irv couldn't offer suzanne anything. Dorothy marcy but abe suzanne's father-in-law he had money by. All accounts was generous with his daughters in law even once their marriages ended irv according to my guest the head affection for her based on two things first that she was his son's wife and he was always remarkably supportive of earth And the second of course was that she was The mother of one of his five grandchildren and a was always devoted to the five of us. Jim gas says abe had a sense of responsibility to his mother and suzanne and his five grandchildren. Gas doted on his grandsons. I can attest to that person but he also felt a strong sense of responsibility. Do his daughter knows. When i was very young abe gaspard routinely bring over portraits to make sure that we had good healthy food eaten and to make sure that is daughter-in-law's were not left hanging by the Steps of his son. He felt responsible. So i have some documentation that abe actually bought the house. That the My mother lived in in madison wisconsin herbs. Father abraham jacob gassed was a kindly taylor who had gotten out of germany before the nazis rose to power. He remained a good friend of suzanne's and her children until his death. Suzanne was a christian when she married her. He was jewish and his father. Abe was a religious man. Donna says she was eleven when her mother became a jew. Rabbis present ski and my mom with meat Every week we always gave his four-foot mama ride to the synagogue and they would have in-depth discussions mom had learned Had been learning. Ancient greek and rabbis rucinsky was so impressed with your the rabbi and she constantly net and have questions and he would ask her questions and she must satisfy with the answers but judaism was her life after that she converted because she believed in the scriptures and in the the tenants faith of judaism and they became very real to her. Because of a jew doesn't just believe over going to go to heaven after we die because we are part of the chosen people. It's more we have to bring peace on earth. We have to feed the hungry naked. You know take care of the poor. And once we bring these messianic qualities to fruition. Then the messiah will come. The process of conversion can vary from congregation to congregation but becoming a jew is generally an act of significant work. Jim gas doesn't think suzanne's husband. A man of little work was behind. That idea to judaism is very laborious very long process and it includes A lot of training i. I don't think that was Earth guests wish or desire. Or i thing he was encouraging that much at all. But i'm absolutely confident that suzanne knew that it was important. Api asked that a Mary and i wish go on november seventeenth nineteen sixty two abe. Aghast died in a hospital. There was an airs meeting to discuss abe state. Jim says both of herbs ex-wives showed up talk about absolute state Suzanne had moved on by the time died in november nineteen sixty two but she was still legally married to earth airs meeting in the spring of nineteen. Sixty three earth went. They're expecting to get one third of the generous enterprise. The estate little did he realize that his ex wife and parklife would both material both suzanne and mike gasps. Mother spoke up at the meeting. According to the gas brothers. Mike says his mother had a very strong personality. And say the two women that i knew who married to my father Were very controlling. I don't think that my father was Perhaps the strongest person those marital relationships decided nice. Say at the air's meeting jim. Gas says both women air their dirty laundry about a man who himself showed up to make a claim on an estate enriched by a dry cleaning business. he says that didn't work out well for irv. Each of his ex wives split his share of the estate. He got nothing. My understanding is that my mother was very satisfied with what she got out of the up. Probate the two women were both very strong willed women who knows what they want and and don't stop at anything get but i just can't believe that either one of them was Willing to settle mike. Gas says a western state of About two thousand dollars a half in financial materials. In half in real estate he used from prime real estate holdings in addison and a. He divided up basically into four parts. Like many of the people in this story herbs life did not go well after the death of his father a he was living in a flop house in the tenderloin some years after i actually went and visited the place it was You know a a budget. Entry guards on the window In front of the managers came. A single rooms are read by the day. Irv died in nineteen seventy seven. He was fifty two years old found him the room unresponsive and he had to turned out at the time of tops a he'd taken a a heavy overdose of all and He had killed himself sadly herbs. Own son danny. Also die by suicide. Fifteen years later he was just thirty. Two nd irvy's buried in a potter's fields. Somewhere outside of san francisco is life. I think Especially after the lawsuits father who held his head above water. For all those years. I think his lights sponge steadily downhill And ended sadly and tragically I don't take. He had anybody there for a at or near the this is a story about families swirling and spinning apart. You've heard about the men who came into suzanne's life who for a time or her family. Donna remembers irv gassed. As the reason vernon store doc came into her mother. Suzanne's life somehow. When mom met her burial stepped in essay detective to find out where the heck sokaiya gone and if he was gonna carry out his strength against us or not in some way some men suzanne had been married to failed her rakish unstable irv racked up debts emotional and physical that even his responsible father could not pay. He died in a flop house in san francisco. John briggs who had betrayed suzanne with her best friend died alone in a motel room and after them vern store. Doc here's donna again. We welcome to firing when he when he showed up. He seemed like a really good guy. Suzanne confessed to shooting vern in their bedroom in oregon. Perhaps she witnessed someone very close to her shoot him. Dorothy proposes a connection. Among suzanne's i three husbands. Suzanne made money on all of them. Dorothy believes there's more to the story. Something else to know about the gas family about eight in particular as jew. Suzanne knew that abraham's family believes the human body is sacred in should not be disturbed after death that would prevent an autopsy on eighth cast. Why would that matter. Why because zan was in. The hospital room was a he died next on manslaughter. Shoe brandon is the kind of candidate who will answer the tough questions like sue brandon state. Representative manslaughter is produced by bill. France blau who also supervised the music. Mardi is the writer dorothy. Marcy is the co host and the author of the book with one shot executive producers. Are bill francois. Dorothee mark martin. Scott and molly peterson. Gregory t smith and the oregon historical society provided research. Sarah kaylin is a forensic consultant shannon stored hecht is a story consultant actors who recreated voices include. Jacob barons charlie ray jeff. Whiskey dan fishman tamra erickson hurston. Rodale roberts might steve travis gary berg brady savas buck. Shiner and chris sapienza. Nick cotija cheese is the sound designer and engineer martin cardio provided original music scoring an engineering additional engineering by sergio and rica's at wondering tony bruno produced and arranged songs. That danielle hepner saying for the music special. Thanks to clear. Cut inc john fry. Barb hall warner chappell music. Sony atv music spirit. Music app komo's fabulous music round hill harlan. Bmg and all the amazing people wondering wondering. I'm your host and co writer. Molly peterson so man

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Ep. 26| Stealthing Through The Snow

The Tantalus Tales

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Ep. 26| Stealthing Through The Snow

"Hello and thank you so much for tuning into episode twenty six of the tantalus tales. If this is your first time listening. I just wanna recommend starting at episode one of our show. No sweet no as we are story driven and you could possibly run into spoilers if he started here however. I'm not your dad so if you wanna start here i can't stop you. Enjoy the show previously on the tantalus tails and as you guys are looking at the situation you hear from behind you while hello boys. I'm not interrupting anything am i. I've frozen time in this plane of existence. As long as i will it. It'll remain so but as for you for. I require assistance. I didn't think i'd have to call upon my favors so soon. But i'm afraid something has come up. Says i'm going to take you to the world of graves. Deep in the center of grave. World is the item. i'm looking for. I need you to find nick in the second it takes here is to adjust to the light of the room. You see a figure thrown across the room a human with now fairly Dusty dirty white armor and cloth with a sword and shield as you turn to your left you realize what threw him and there is a gigantic horned skeleton brandishing a giants great axed. We really took the bull by the horns there to me You take the bull by the horns and you're here for the necklace than i assume as well right it is giving off a chilling sensation. It feels cold to the touch as he's lucky in any turn the necklace to the side slightly. It starts to evaporate into snowflakes silhouetted in the frosty window of the striped dragon. Roost our heroes rebel along with the people unaware of the unusual storm brewing. Just outside their door. Storytime begins to wind down Patrons begin exiting tavern as they leave they thank and congratulate our heroes some of them rub under the very neabry it'd chin of yaeko and he prefers between in his highchair doral. Had he not have drinking. Oh yeah he had like two drinks and he was gone. Lightweight very much ally weight and as the last bystander vacates the tavern. The bartender turns to you And proclaims its last call. Got a close up soon. What will it be This rounds on me the you guys bring in some good business whenever you return. It's the least. I can do your finest ale another whiskey. I think i'd do much already. He soda for our friend. He chuckles and starts to pour. You a seltzer water. Thank you good sir as the bartender kodiak begins to make your drinks. You notice that the windows have. I stop Romi a perception guys. I got five fourteen. Perception twenty one. It's actually a seven with the plus. They're seven. I'll give it to you guys. Seven hundred reiver's what seventeen plus five is sexually twenty two. Yes yes. We have correctly declared that you have adequate. Math skills are happy and sign the am. I don't need that right now but you guys all notice that the windows stuff in it seems a little unusual because On your time on the space you've noticed it's always stayed particularly comfortable and as kodiak turns around to handle all your drinks. He notices well and says well. That's not unusual. This space is climate controlled. If you will think someone left the freezer open drunk prostes drunk. He hands you. Your ex ross is gonna kill us but he ends a your drinks and the door slams open and a cold wind races around you and as you feel the cold you notice vern rushing through and he exclaims. I found him. Fern makes his way to the counter and he holds up a finger at kodiak which apparently means something to him because kodiak begins making him a drink. This guy's like full name is walk. Burn right what's motion He holds up just a finger to stay index finger. One assumes assuming one yeah one finger one one drink and what the usual. what did you ask spencer. This guy's full name was frost burn. Frost burn. Yeah this vern. I hear you there. Sorry oh gotcha. Gotcha gotcha i bad. Burn for some reason. New character no verne. That's all right but Vern asks for a drink. Essentially he turns. The uni says nick. That's sneaky bastard. I found him Nothing to me. Kodiak sets the glass in front of verne verne takes it and he hands kodiak a coin when he grabs the glass vernon downs the drink in one gulp and slams the glass down. He looks at you once more and he says i found him he is at the. He makes air quotes. North pole. says that's smarmy bastardy. He took my necklace and he he ran off. He ran off and i found him in the north pole. The bastard thinks he can hide from me in one of the only places. My magic doesn't work. Wind is a network in the north bull. Excellent question is because it's not there anymore. Why does your magic not functioning north pole. You called it yes. The north pole is ruled by gigantic creature. Called the sandy claws unusual. Never heard of it before. yes has jank class. is it iraq. Yeah try alaskan crab. Yes a dangerous job. Never heard of anywhere like that. It's a fantasy. Alaska crab saito more verna. He wipes his lips from the during and says my favor required you to achieve a receipt rich retrieve. Excuse me i can't talk. That was a very strong drink. Thank you kodiak and understand. I'm sorry. I understand strong Drinks and he looks at the four of you are five with yaeko and is gyanco for a moment wondering why there's a cat in a high chair and says i need you to assist me once more leon's leon i'm in. We're gonna need a water to go you son of a bitch. I meant i am. I will join in happily so he looks at the car. Realizing car is completely inebriated from all the shots that were bought for him in the earlier hours and waves his hand in front of the car. And there's a glass of a strange liquid. What do you do. i'm gonna drink it like a shot. The dog Was offered toss. Well the are you also still highly inebriated. I don't know about you but my archery skills improve. And i'm drunk. He see me. He weighs about one magic. He waves his hand again into more glasses. Appear in front of you and a small sippy cup in front of yaeko harry. Well suppose we have to down also okay Role contract for me. You guys nineteen sixteen. Not natural twenty but dirty twenty coca already. So dirty Year all stone sober now say. Pass it this. I'd rather be creators with ed cult. Hit is Verne's patented canine drink. Kiss what's the point of gain drunk. You don't regret it afterwards horrible all. Are you regretting getting drunk. We all have hangovers. Now greg getting sober forget you where. He's afterwards run them. Every adventure is right to be rip roaring drunk while he's on a quest and He he looks at gyanco who grabs the sippy cup in just kinda drinks on it not realizing that he is actually drinking and suddenly feels better and he goes oh that oh what's in this. I would like an ale to go off kodiak Looks at you all in says. I'm sorry it's it's. It's after closing time. I can't serve you know more wouldn't wanna lose my license. S through dance. You'll have to wait. We get back bacar nine says when you return. I'll portia nice. Frosty cold one. Plus this is a job. I don't drink on paper this nonsense as a young ho fidgets with his seat belt in his highchair. Do any of you want to help him. Well pick them up and put him on my shoulder. No we're just going to pick up the high chair and take it with us. Oh so so picard. Just got high chair on. No pick him out of that okay. I picked him up and put him on my shoulder. It's funny but i'm sure that i might have to us. Taking his height fit maybe disreputable joint. But of course they take care of children when they brought the bar. Of course you gotta make sure. The kids are situated for drinks right. Get the cup for when they need ale for sure verna escorts you out of the tavern and into the obscenely frigid quite unusual for The institute as you look around the the grounds of the institute There's fresh snow on the ground and it's coming down in heaps through the the barrier and everything is just snow everywhere. Do snow day. I'm gonna trauma name. Oh you better not. It's luckily a short name. T get across the t. Though hey do i still have. My reading. cloak traded him ever know it burn giants. Oh yeah when you guys went through Hill kind of wish. I had it because it would have been great for another oakland. Raiders and raiders. Back vern looks at bacar and notices how he appears to be shivering And snaps his fingers and suddenly bacar your warm and toasty and as you look down. There is a bear suit. A whole bear suit on him. It's it's an owl bear hoodie. Can't it's the holland it. It's going to put up the hood so i look arab layer. Yes the ugly sweater with a hoodie and ugly. So many ridiculous things on that. I'm not cold. You probably scarves. Big built pant. Had you probably mostly hot throughout the whole thing but you're like it's fish. Armor is quite snug. Very warm dude. Half the time of macon so these parachutes really useful. This is kind of necessary parachute pants yet. I don't have those yet. Knows a joke for a later episode that we haven't even gotten to yet all right. I think i wrote. I wrote that down. I think he wrote that down to remind you to get the right. Yeah i just had my normal Trousers your normal bell-bottoms yeah multiple scars in a big hat for long coat of other stuff. So yeah T- how are you feeling. You've got a close but it's a little colder than i'm used to. I suppose helping me out here is. Isn't that big. What is he wrapping up his hands. Hannington warmer cucuta is as a muff. All right that works he also snaps his fingers and yaeko is a nice little owl cub hoodie. So you guys are matching as. He's sitting in a scratch on his chin just to look so cute. He looks down at And he says i i. I appreciate the scriptures bakar. Please don't patronize me. Like that i look adorable to burn starts to walk toward his shop and before he gets to it he Waves his hand and a gate opens up in front of his shop outside of his actual doorway and he walks through it and you see his arm popout in. He encourages you. For what do do first stemming over follow okay so you be me. He raped each other diamond here ago. Romi both a d. twenty now To your decks that'd be ecksteen That's a that's a thirteen so as you're running orrin new kick out slightly and and trip t as he goes sliding and he goes he slides in After you but just full of snow. I shake off everywhere but As you all enter a verne's void. Once again he walks to the center and motions with his hands and a pillar in front of him manifests from the ground. Up and on top of it is a crystalline ball. A crystal ball if you will and touch it Okay pick the car up. Hold on my shoulder so that he can touch it. Oh it's not a giant pillar. It's about burn height so that verne insane to the crystal ball gonna so it's more of a pedestal more of a pedestal. Iaea so car. You're going to touch it. Just kinda poke it just gonna poke it. okay romea con quick. Oh sweet summer child. That's going to be a seven as you touch it. A crystalline sort of liquid starts to climb up your arm. Now you're getting sucked into the matrix. Just pull away really quickly is if it can you pull it away. Real quick me decks yet. That's worse that's five. Continues up your arm now and It pulls you into the crystal sphere and gyanco falls to the ground because you are now currently transported Vern shakes his head. Disappointingly and says faulk i that's after he waves his hand and but car shows up next to you just shivering frozen still not frozen still but you were in the north pole area but had no bearings and so you manifested inside a snowbank and this you covered in and now covered in snow. And you're you're very cold but He goes. Would you kindly not touch my shit until i tell you no way. That's not going to happen now. That is a tall order. My friend make no promises was supposed to mean but yes Bakar you're currently cold and snowy damage or is it just I'm gonna give you disadvantage for A bit while you warm up. He waves here. Or what my hands he wakes. He waves his hand. And the your. You're all hoodie is dry and warm. But it'll take a bit for your core temperature to to raise up. 'cause it's very cold in the north pole so shit. Yeah say yeah. I've never been there. I would not know he looks to you all and says so. I have found where he is. He's in the north pole which this crystal wall will transport you it is. It is made from is found in the north pole. It is in fact the the top of the northern poll way. Are you telling me. There's a literal north pole. Yeah yeah they litter literal northern whole. I may not smart like a pillar now right of a pillar now because there's the ball daily on the top is also as such a small poll Taller than the stand. Oh yes very much so but the ball is small. I mean other. It's not about the size of the ball and use it. It's how you stop touching it so early have a cargo touched again downtown But you're lucky. I'm not trying to do it again. I'm not drunk right now. Who yes the hilarious verna makes emotion toward the The crystal ball and and says this is how i will get you guys to the northern pole. I had another. Let's say client traded this crystal ball for A red paper clip of sorts at red paper clip was very useful for him. A lot of papers that needed filing. But let's not worry about how i got this but more in the lines of that it will make me worry. It will get you to not. This is very normal. Yes it'll get you to the northern pole and which it'll be your job to confront nick and get my necklace back. There are a few you obstacles that you may run into Looking through this crystal ball. I can see what's going on and i wish you the best of luck Completing your favor for me He holds out his hand once more and in it are five pins one for each of you. Yeah five of them because ice gets one to of course and isolated question not the cat. I have been here the whole time because he honestly thought that i was just a muff. He didn't think i was with you at the time. Youthful in fashionable is beautiful and measurable. Yes so each of you takes this pin and pin it on your clothing this We'll give you. This will give you a barrier of sort against the frigid temperatures of the northern pole. The creatures that you may come across on the northern pole are more accustomed to the subzero temperatures. That are present and without these pins. It might not bode well for you. Even if you have dozens of fancy stylish scarves and such i call. It all swears you noticed. Oh i'm so these are brisk fall yes Or it is more accustomed to a brisk fall then uh the northern pole. I do enjoy falling off things. That's true yes and he also produces for oran. t and bakar small daggers. That have what appears to be a ruby in late in the bottom of the the blade. These will give you a bit of an advantage against the creatures. You might fight if you squeeze the handle as you've stab it's super heats the the metal and that should help you. Should you come across any particularly difficult batteries. Along the way right. Does it work continuously or is it just a one off. I've never tested it all right. Good to know. I will touch. It's fine now. let's face it. Yeah and lesson for nail once more before you guys vengerov burn waves his hand once more and in each of your hands is a Except for Yaeko and bacar. I guess in just t- and Orrin you have the option to also have a a hoodie of sorts. If you would like to keep a little warmer to choose the animal that we killed like me Yeah what animal our now. I gotta think about it well. They're a hoping there will be no. Don't bear your l. or bear or an owl. Oh okay well. So there's between between a baron and al right now between a bear owl. yeah. I don't know how i'm gonna decide. Oh well you can be the bear. And then i can be. That'll that's doral. I meant okay. So t then has a a polar bear though a piece snaps his fingers and the fabric turns white. And it's a it's an. It's a bear polar bear kika roomy of sorts so as a onesie so you are very much encased in this Bakare has a hoodie. You have a roommate and a little tiny pajamas essentially for nice and Or is this hit. Does it cover his tail though their pajamas. A cover everything. Yeah don't mess with the colts He's got his tail stuck in one of her he is a lizard. He is cold blooded. Yeah but it's cute or did you want to wear a An animal of sorts. I would like is a great big floor length. Overcoat and hat like a a hood. That has big bunny ears off of it all white for so you want to be a snow bunny coat. That's right. Yeti yeti a betty chur okay so sure yes. you He snaps his fingers in the fabric. That you're holding also turns white and get slightly longer and more elegant than you drape it over you say cloak or a coat Let's go with cloak okay. So you've got this hooded cloak eight a big old rabbit ears took a hooded cloak with big big old rabbit ears that cannot flop over kinda. Wanna make it pink. Though it was in the law should sign because she can do that if you really want to is because that makes me think of christmas story. 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If you want to be featured in tantalus tales mineral whether you've got a podcast shop new book musical group anything creative shoot us a line at the tantalus tails at gmail.com we would love to highlight you now back to the show So now you guys are all dressed and ready for the the cold and he exclaims that. Once you have the neck listen question. If you hit the pins on your chest that will give me a single a signal to pull you out and yeah He holds his hands out toward the crystal ball and encourages you to now touch his ball. I didn't wanna do it again. I'll do i'll try. I'll touch anything one so All four grip it firmly all five of touch the crystal ball and the same crystalline material. moves up your arms and sucks you in and you guys have the feeling of falling through this dark snowy landscape and roll me dhec. Save the you guys. Twelve also twelve team. Damn nineteen don't usually roll like. I don't do really well with the accident. I guess i am the stem. Yaeko got an at twenty per overachiever. So picard lands firmly on his feet Sign done this before you got here. Yeah you've practiced you guys got. What'd you say. Twelve twelve So i mean it land all right but you you kind of falter in fall to your paul to your backside And yaeko just kinda sticks. The landing his arms out checkpoints. So who well you know what they say about. Felix's we always land on our pause. Do they always say that. They apparently always say that. Yeah and No but you guys all land on a pile of snow and in front of you. You see a gigantic fortress castle of sorts just completely made of ice. It spans a vastagh Area and on top. God is superman. Home no no depend not you And on the top of the highest Pillar of this. You see a ruby ends pearl encrusted. pillar With a flat top. You can assume that the crystal sphere came from this. The spot What would you like that or it's barbershop. Jeez it it is the northern polls barbershops anyway but Ahead of you. You hear chanting and footsteps around the surrounding area of the the fortress there are a bunch of these creatures clad in green leather from head to toe with curly shoes and hats that just like ferry elf. Ish hats not elvis. but they're elves they are marching back and forth across the the main gate of the fortress. What would you like to do sing along. We are santa's elves. Well the car you take the lead guy. This is so you guys are currently a top a drift of snow where you are hidden from them. Not running okay. Let's start making snowballs you got. We will win. The war are they. Is there any guards or anyone paying attention. Or is it just straight up They're doing their thing. And they are making their rounds around the Perimeter of the fortress okay regards At the actual gate know are any of these. Hells arm to our site You can tell. They all have long can't decayed swords there. Candy brands there. Halla brands halliburton's again at large for their stature. Halliburton's as they walk. I'm gonna assume we do not want to take the main entrance. Well almost we want to talk to them. I don't wanna talk to them in a sticky situation Who knows they may have short. Tempers cruciate the short jokes. Well you know. I don't appreciate it either. It's all stop. Sorry go get these pointy eared guys behind and see. If there's any other places we can enter. That's not like the. Yep let's go the stick around. I'm okay let's do it. L. two guys want to investigate it will lead the way in are still investigation for my skills are excellent okay. I'm going to laugh well. Orange scott the is so you might as well Roll your investment. You're how the l. feet. Yes okay. So what do investigate. Yeah if you like. Nineteen nineteen. I guess So as you scan the The front gate area. You notice that there is also a on a smaller less graduates gate Off to the side of it and it appears to be open as if somebody has come in and left the door open like they're hitting the outside been raised in a barn much reindeer absolute right. Let's let's head that way. Then okay go ahead and do a still trek for me. Guys still check is twenty to twelve nineteen so you all got enough to sneak by And you make it up to the door and roll aroma. Perception check quick s Twenty nine twenty okay. but far okay so picard you can hear coming around the corner In a short amount of time It sounds like another patrol is about to turn the corner What do you guys do as their anything behind There is an open door. Otherwise there are Chunks of ice just littered about In the terrain and dash for the door. You guys have you guys up towards the door. Yeah let's dash towards the door on the snow to the door definitely gonna. I'm a super like jump into the door. Okay so just. Because i wanna see you. Roller performance check. Oh god cars specifically. Oh okay not the best ten to ten okay. So you you dash for the door and kind of like like say like dive and they like just come up just short of the door. Yeah late when you you try and when you try to jump out of a movie medical. You're supposed to like tuck. Enroll you tuck enroll as you jump and just kinda landed and fall you just land in front of the door and keep rolling. Have to like you start swimming around like anchorage penguin penguin. Scott yourself into the door at just walked. Yeah they all walk past you because it was much more. You're close enough that you didn't have to do that now. You all make mitt took community theater performances always impresses me. Oh yes always commit. Your commitment is true. Legendary bacar always commits. I applaud you. Golf club Sh- so you guys make it through the doorway. You make it through the main gate of this Northern poll fortress and on the inner most Between the fortress in the gate is quiet. there's no wind. It's slightly warmer because of the lack of wind. And you know the shea wouldn't be outside if it wasn't for the wind exactly but at the fronts of the castle. The fortress there stands a a small dwarf. He's got the the most copper beard you've ever seen and a just kinda corkscrewing mustache in his. He's sitting there and you see that he's holding a chain in it kind of links. Its way into what appears to be a small dog door in the in the front castle entrance What do you do. can you see us yet. you cannot. I'd sneak by him okay. Go ahead enroll me air sneaking dealth check to get by this dwarf not nat twenty four twenty three young co Fuck i believed in you so as you guys are your your stealthily walking Through the snow kind of keeping to the shadows away from this now you're stealthy and through the sheikh. Yes that might be the episode title. Still through the senate janka. On my sneaking sneaky sneaky or stealth either one works concord but As you guys are sneaking through the snow gyanco trips over an ice chunk and in doing so his accordion falls on the at-bat and it kind of like arcs through the air and has as its has lands. it's as gone through the air. It's gone out and then as it hits it. Just oh oh like like not not. Yeah kind of like the cat. Come here and with this loud just screech of an accordion. He shuffles up to grab it. Asia psycho sh and The dwarf who apparently was sleeping with his eyes open seas. You all five of you and just gonna wave i. We're a little lost. Think my chum weather we're having today god Help serve Forming in my right he stands up and walks towards you the chain kinda tanking along the along the ground and he says what on earth are you doing here. This is a restricted section of the northern pole. Now i thought we were in the south pole. Oh shit i thought this was south northbound Look the same. Both really called. I am park my sled i apologize. Keep in mind. He he sees two hours. Why pink rabbit and a polar bear holding an annual. I why are you here. we were. We're from from a spring holiday and we were hoping to have some jolly fun with a a winter holiday to apply. Play for a coke commercial. We are in fact Maybe helpful here to entertain a god. I'm gonna need one of you to roll a deception for that. It should be me was the highest wants. What's the roll with the story that they have the polar bear i mentioned charisma up enrolling good but got higher than me very close. It's a similar story. Now you're going for so -t's a twelve. I'm a polar bear playing for co commercial obscenity spares so so As he asks you guys what what you're doing here t- steps up and he says well i'm a polar bear applying for a coke commercial and he looks at you and he says the fuck is coke and he was like snow. It's like snow. Falls on his on the chain that he's holding and you hear just a monstrous Sri from the door got some ocean. State can i. I opened my book. The of spells are we about to fight. I don't know you what are you gonna do. You should lock the door the door. I can't lock the door now. Block it somehow. I don't know. I'm a polar bear nut who actually hold off okay behind the as as he pulls on the chain you hear this was loud shrieking and From that little door outcomes this tiny furry creature with horns jack lope of death. It's a it's a tiny tiny like be she'll creature poets about about a foot tall cannot raw runs up towards you it is grab it rabbit and runs up to Where the or the dwarfism. It's like a third the size of the door. And it leans back and roars again. This time it's quite quite a tiny roar and the dwarf reaches into his pocket and hands the the little creature a little treat of sorts he then devours it in his hand and he looks up at you and burps and then you see his body just kinda twinge in and his limbs start to grow and his body starts to stretch and it becomes he becomes giant he is grows to about eight feet tall big burly muscles her white for all over clause just a monstrous howl from his gullet and he stares you down can keep it and The little dwarf. Let's do that the The the little dwarf looks up at him and points at the five and says bubble bounce. Hey everyone taylor again. Thanks for tuning into episode. Twenty six of our show stealthy in through the snow part. One of our three part holiday. Special before i let you go. I just wanted to thank our patriots supporters. Your financial help is been fantastic. And we're incredibly lucky to have you. 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