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"vern ganja" Discussed on The Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast
"Lost four grades this year Vern ganja w rhodes you just mentioned him. Roddy piper and nick bog winkle. I'm not seeing you the most objective source for this question. But i'm going to ask it anyway and give me your best answer because i know you're a student of the industry as much as you are a fan and admire of nick winkle among rank those four. Todd martin nasty this yesterday on the vip audio show. We did together. Ranked does for on impact to the business with the understanding. That number four is in the top one percent of people we would talk about But could you rank those four. In order of the lasting impact that they had on the industry man That is really a tough question. And i think if. I'm going to be if i'm going to be objective about that. And go against my my conscience of candy my personal preferences i. I think that well are. Are you talking. The real history of the business in terms of their impact or you're talking about the the the impact recognition among wrestling fans. I mean like a popular recognition among wrestling fans. I impact on the direction. Th the success that they had drawing money in the impact and influence. They had in their era. While i mean i think verne has to be number one for running the awa. Concurrently being the awa champion In in the largest of the territories. I mean i think verne is easily number one. That's my opinion and then it's a matter of the next three but you don't have to agree with that. But that's i think you can go from there and think who are the next three. Yeah i would agree with vern. I mean in terms of not only is in ring. You know you've been around forever. But the impact of the direction. I mean the fact that he built the empire. No question about that. You know i might be inclined to go with dusty rhodes number two and the reason i say that is because it would be close really reason i say that weight is if you go back to the national expansion. When cable was was blowing up and you you had hogan in one place and you have rick flair dusty rhodes or in another place. I think dusty had real mainstream appeal back then so in terms of overall popularity. Maybe dusty rhodes Piper certainly again at this is from a popularity snap way. This is why. I'm kind of getting caught up in the question because nick to me i mean. Nick was very influential in terms of what he did in the business going into opposing territories Being the to me of a champion what. What have you get nick affect the direction of the business. I don't think so bad. I would say yeah. That was burn. A dusty rhodes roddy piper. They were more of the the entertainer they were more of the over the top personalities both in nwa and wwe. So i suppose when you talk about the direction of the business going from old school to the entertainment era then you gotta go with roads and roddy piper Nick was there nicholas. Solid nick was as great as he was. I don't know that i could say nick. Had an effect on the direction of the business. I think he was kinda following burns. Lead if that makes sense and picking up the The the legacy in that direction or whatever. It is that the awa hat. I don't think nick changed the direction of the business. Yeah i'm with you. I first ranked. I still do i. I went vern and then a pretty decent sized gap to roddy Dusty very close and then a a a smaller drop off After that to nick balk winkle for really the reasons you said. I think it's you can absolutely make a case for dusty. And i think anybody probably from the south would would make the case for dusty. Because i think it's so close kind of your perspective experiencing them would probably tip you over the tip one over the other. I went with roddy number two. Because i think there was no better opponent in the wwf. Hulk hogan roddy piper. I think roddy as much as nick. And bobby were vital to hulkamania taking hold in the awa and were great opponents in perfect. Foils for him there. I think what. Vince mcmahon had in mind for expanding nationally in becoming a pop culture phenomenon and building the wrestlemainia brand linking with m. t. v. being on nbc. After sadder on on Instead of reruns. Saturday night live. During the saturday. Night's main event era. I think that puts roddy over dusty but i i mean you can really make a case for dusty to be i mean when dusty died. He got as much media attention nationally. As roddy in that surprised me considering how much I won't call brainwashing but selective hype of legends Dust that wwe gave dusty compared to roddy. I'm certainly over. The years roddie gets gets. I think better treatment in that regard because of the tape library that wwe references than dusty did. So i think it's really close. But i still edge roddy because i think. Wwe was standing in the end and roddy was so vital for a relatively small amount of time in those mid eighties till launching the wrestlemainia era as the number one. He'll opposite hogan you know and it's kind of interesting and i. I know we're getting off. Nick a little bit. But but i have a question for you wait given what you said about dusty rhodes and roddy piper and changing the direction of the business in compact. Why you personally wouldn't have put ric flair inequities. Oh talking about wrestlers. Who died this year. Okay gotcha yeah it was it was. It's wake. I framed it in that way. I think the question tom brought up because we have spent so much time. This you're talking about these four and when somebody dies you examine their life their career especially in the chair that i sit in and and so we had spent so much time talking about him. It was sort of just a curiosity from todd. Having seen nick and verna close but still seen a lot of dusty and roddy up. Close to how where i stood and he kinda threw that question me flare. Yeah that's a whole other conversation for another day if we started including You know a few others who would be in that top ten list and flair would would be top five. You know what's interesting in as you talk about this more and you mentioned those four the best way i can describe it is. Nick was so good and he was so solid. And i mean he was absolutely a champion power. Excellence he was kind of just there If you knew the awa if you follow wrestling you knew how great the guy was. If you were a huge awa loyalist. You knew how great he was the masses. I guess across the country because again of the the cable expansion would probably say dusty rhodes and roddy piper had more of an impact remember. Vern didn't actually get into that national expansion where he had his talent roster out there until after the nwa and wwf did so by that time it was already firmly established in everybody's mind what wrestling was now supposed to be either. The wwf for the nwa saw again impact on the business. You're in the awa. Nick had tremendous impact. He had as much impact will not quite as much but certainly continued on the begun. Ganja legacy but overall national impact on the business probably not. I'm rich band host of the deep dive with richmond. A weekly part of the torch valey cast lineup of shirts. Search w torch an apple podcasts. Or your podcast. Subscribe subscribe.
"vern ganja" Discussed on The Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast
"Q was average turning heel. Do just in a broad sense. Do you think that's That they're planning on that sooner or later or not at all based on what you're seeing an. I mean I would hope not at all because they they are desperate for maybe faces and also they have no baby faces with any edge demand rose. Again, you believe it I believe that he's unstable. I believe that he's that nutty guy even if I following him since CDW, I'm like you know John Locke not. Number is not I also appreciate it. I don't know if it was intentional if somebody was really thinking of this but I don't know if you noticed. But during the table for three with Zara Kevin Owens and DNA ambrose. Everybody had a nice except for Dean Ambrose he only had a four and everything he cut into he was just cutting into its more wasn't even a knife at his place. And God that his character so they won't even give him a butter knife at dinner. That's a that's a great observation I. Love that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like I like I like rain a he'll in Dina's a baby face better than the other way around or you know. Yeah. Yeah. we we finish every episode of we watch wrestling with this and I realized I've never asked you who's your favorite wrestler Of all. Time. Of all time of the current roster when you were young and that you into however, you WanNa have I think I i. answer this. For each era but I I feel like in my job people ask me this kind of on the street or at a at a wedding. Oh, you're cover wrestling. You know that's interesting. Who's your favorite and I. Don't really I don't have an answer because I don't look at it through that Lens I have guys who I really enjoyed the work. So I tend to go like I ended up kind of going back in time. I guess right before like it's about the journey like Kurt heading for a while was my favorite in the Awa Awa in the mid eighties was hometown team. He was the guy that was that was on a journey the only one for teammate with Scott Hall it be him champions to being the singles guy who was the reason to tune into the AWA for awhile cool Kurt handing the he'll world champion on the rise. So I'd say like mid eighties it was him but as a kid when I tuned in It was the Awa was ensemble for me I mean, it really was. But. Like mad dog Vashon probably had the few that I got the most emotionally invested in but I don't. It's hard to say that he'd be I'm hemming at high and hedging so much but like the Awa. When I first became a fan it was. It was about. Archer than life personalities, but pre whole Cogan. Vern Ganja near his retirement the for show I went to his friend's retirement show and I. Mean I liked him. But I didn't I wasn't a fan because of Verne even though he was the lead baby face I was more fan because of the promos in the personalities of Jesse Vitamin Tornado neater and Donna's or Bobby Heenan Nick Bach Winkle. and. The crusher was good but again I, wouldn't say I was a fan because of the crusher Jerry. Blackwell was a great he'll. and. I. Think I retroactively underestimate how much I liked him as a fan even though he was a heel for the work that he did so. Men I. Don't Yeah I. I. I would have to think about it. If I were to have to pinpoint somebody singularly 'cause I don't know that I've ever worked at wrestling through that way of just having at one favorite but my God. I, mean my favorite wrestler sometimes mad is like if I watch our way in Colorado does something to impress me I'm like he's my favorite guy to watch right now. I really like you know watching him on the rise when when Kevin is working against John Cena. Yeah. Right now, my favorite guy who comes on the screen and I'm glad he's on to watch is Kevin Owens if if I'm watching. TNA or heck annex this week and James. Storm cutting one of his great kind of southern Cowboy promos. So it it around a lot. Yeah. I don't I I don't have a singular favorite that I can kind of pick out either from today or or even as a fan. Yeah Kyle Riley is. Fantastic. I know it really hit me when I saw him live a couple years back and I looked at them and I'm like. Ninety nine hundred people what watching in this crowd I shouldn't say that because are they fancy about ninety nine out of a hundred people walking down the street would look at him and think Oh, that guy goes to the gym but they won't think like Oh he's a star wrestler that people would pay to see. You know he just he doesn't have that demeanor that he gives off and then there's these and then there's but there's something about him that. There's this unique charisma just like Daniel, Bryan has it where. Vincent man went to understand it wouldn't know what to do with it. We know how to tap into it, but has it and then he's so good in the ring he so believable and then there's an earnestness to his character that I just don't think you find in a lot of I don't think it comes around very often. Yeah I mean I'll never forget I'll never forget the night that PWG black hole sun where it was Kyle O'Reilly versus ricochet was the main event and then roderick strong came out and challenged Kyle Riley to a guerrilla warfare match and then Kyle wrestled again. Back to back both matches were just phenomenal. Phenomenal. It's his his work. The Way He wrestles in the ring makes me believe and I love that. You know I love when I just absorbed into the action. It's like a really good. Hbo Or ethics or or AMC drummer whatever you know we're you just you immersed in that world and there's something about the way that he goes about his business in the ring in the way that he reacts and there's been some awkward moments microphone it's been a journey. It's he's still getting better in that regard. But there's an intangible there in the in the way he shows fire in the way he delivers offense and the way he fights like he's trying to win and that a really good athleticism that that is really good. I mean it's just it's fun when I mentioned his name and people people react like, yeah like you did he so good but I fear I fear that. The industry he's in the people in power went recognize it and be able to take advantage of it. But. I'm intrigued by the Kyle Riley and and I'm this is being Antar wage and saying this I'm just in a setting change I'd be interested. Just To see how he would be received by that Really Smart Group of people producing an xt and Kyle O'Reilly centric and t product. Is intriguing to me to see how he would mix in those production values in that environment I. Think you do really well. And he's sort of a dark worth because you talk about annex t all these guys get called up what happens when Fionn Ballard's gone and smokey Joe's gone and and day Tommy isn't there and it's like I think there's so many guys out there and mean the young bucks just side with our wage there's going to guys for our wage to fill their roster. Colorado, is one of those guys look at any go? Yeah there's. I'm not saying everybody's at his level out in the. annexed. He's GonNa have plenty of people coming through who are a mix of established polished indie guys who just need that kind of wwe seasoning and then the recruits from outside athletics Barron Corbin's or you know go back Delves Ziegler people wrestle at the university or are a rugby player whatever I liked that Nixon annex t and I think there's going to be plenty of people in the pipeline from different backgrounds who will get chances. I think that the catching up catching up to it and a good good. Good side yeah. But we got Colorado in Doing good work on the scene and he is definitely one of highlights..
"vern ganja" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff
"The script or you want to us but what really helped set them? Apart is he was such a strong interview and character. That's presence the bottom but really also had this gets talked about enough an unbelievable finisher one of the hottest finishers in the business and then you would see you know on the W._W._e.. Side of things Dhamma Douse page operate the same way I mean he got over the tremendous diamond cutter that really <hes> sort of took the business by storm. How important is having a really really strong finisher? If you WANNA be a top Godley thing I I think it's incredibly I mean it's the two things well. There's all the more than two things you have to. You have to be able to have a high work rate if you're working with great people at the very very top so it's not just your finish sure your work. Leading into the finish has to be great. You have to have a real grasp on psychology but I think at the top of the must have <hes> and there's a long list of must haves but at the very top of those must have <hes>. You've got to have a great promo. You've you've got to be comfortable in a microphone. You've got to be able to find a way to tell your story outside of the ring or at least with a microphone. If you're inside of the ring number one he is your character is a complete if you don't have the ability to really connect with the audience in that respect and then Marais below that in my opinion below that is your finish <hes> you could have the greatest finisher in a world but if if if you don't have a great promo you're not going to get to where you WANNA be <hes> but if you've got those two things at the top up <hes> in addition to everything else that tastes you're destined for greatness and I think you know you look at Beijing. You know there's a lot of parallels. I'm not putting them on equal plane. I'm not trying to suggest that but if you look at the parallels in the way they're characters developed. Steve Austin was like we said earlier in this this podcast Steve Austin was studying Steve Austin and he was other characters prior to that <hes> he got to W._W._f.. Of ringmaster Villes those were characters that didn't really fit him. He didn't really find himself until he became himself and turned the the volume up and became so called Steve Austin and I think the same could be said with Medalla page. He tried a bunch of different characters. There's none of them really worked until he just kind of became himself a blue-collar guy one of the people just an average guy that was in a great opportunity people could relate to that they they see themselves if they want to see themselves selves in you know they're living vicariously through you and so I think if you look at the parallels just in their characters <hes> when they became themselves in turn the volume up the audience really started related of now add add to the top of that you know the both had great finishers and they could both cut a promo and I think there's a lot of parallels between those two characters Kurt Angle in there right now. One of the all time greats one of the few who we're going to talk about who never had any sort of Ryan in W._C._W.. Or <hes> really another company at this point I mean this I wrestling company was the W._w._f.. And then we know of course is stopping impact for several years and now back with the company but Jericho of course on the alliance side of things or on the side of things he had been the W._w._f.. Had Steve Steve Austin ass had the undertaker and believe it or not even Glenn Jacobs Cain had had done some enhancement work there really but yeah but I did not know that mccurdy angle never did I if you would have been lucky enough or fortunate enough to have landed Kurt Angle and I guess I should stop there and ask. Did you ever have a conversation with Kurt Angle prior to him. sonning with <hes> the W now I never did and I know where the question is probably good but if I would have had that opportunity in all honesty I probably would not have taken advantage of it in ninety six especially. I wouldn't've felt he you didn't signed to be clear he didn't he didn't come on the scene until ninety nine so you would have had time by then of course W.. W was Helena handbasket. Who knows what what happened but <hes> it would have been interesting to? Let's see what you could have done with him on the W._W._e.. Side of things but she don't think maybe we weren't ready. We we would not have been the right it would have been horrible occurred. It would have been a huge mistake for Kurt and quite honestly in one thousand nine hundred nine. We were so dysfunctional I would not even seen the opportunity have been presented to me. That's just honest truth. I was blinded by dysfunction in chaos and distracted to the point where I would have seen great opportunity if it would have landed on my lap that's just the truth will give you another little known fact. Did you know did you know that long before brock listener landed W._w._f.. That Vern Ganja called me up on a Saturday afternoon. It said Eric. You've got to see this kid. I think you should sign him and I said well. Thank you burn up next time I get to Minnesota. Let's get together and we'll go take a look dot. You're GonNa Cammisa boat on this kid. I'm telling you Eric. You're gonNA miss the boat. Thank you appreciate the call. Let's get back together again soon. So Ver Vern Ganja actually tried to introduce me to brock listener prior to his introduction introduction to W._W._f.. And given the wit wisdom I failed to take advantage. That opportunity what's crazy to me is to thank you know like let's just fantasy book for a minute. Let's go back in time and let's say that you know after he turned down that every half because originally Kurt turn down that every specifically saying he wouldn't lose and brisk <unk> laughed amount of the office <hes> see tried his hand at being a <hes> you know Tele Television news sports broadcaster and did some endorsements for pizza joints and things like that in Pittsburgh within decided you know what I need to really take stab at this came back and also the races races and took to it like a fish water and it's one of the all time greats now but what if instead you know when you find out that it doesn't work out with you make it your mission your priority and he was finishing quote unquote wrestling wrestling school at the power plant and nine hundred ninety eight now Goldberg's hottest hell. You've got an Olympic gold medalist taking on the undefeated streak Goldberg that could have been pretty fun. No can you imagine that now yeah. You'd you'd have to play with the timeline quite a bit there but if you could have gotten occurred in so let's assume Kurt would have come into W._c.. What he went to W._W._e.? and Said Okay but I'M NOT GONNA lose. Pritchard laughs amount of the office he decided to get on a plane and come to Atlanta where he won the gold medal. I would have had a certainly would have gotten them. A meeting. Ted Turner just to impress the hell out of him and we would've sat there and Kurt would've after that meeting with Ted Ni- Kurt would I would have gone back and he said they'll look here's the deal I said this mcmanaman say to you. I'M NOT GONNA lose I would've I said no problem we can make that work now we wouldn't have had chew streaks going Simultaneously Goldberg on history and and Kurt Angle on history for maybe a year wouldn't that they have been fought unbelievable and would have been believable but can you imagine that I love fantasy booking. I can see why so many dirty writers do it. It's so easy and it would have been fun to to see what the talent will you know like mashes with him and Booker T. or mashes with him and Crisp Anwar in a him and Chris Jericho or Ramos Stereo or eighty guerrero. There's so many you had so many talents that we know he's going to have greater matches with or great matches with later but here on this side but I mean you had all that talent right then. It's just fun to thank SORTA. What if it's fun to think about no doubt about that no doubt about it? Could you imagine the imagine a conversations that would have gone on though once the because the locker inevitably here's everything can you imagine the conversations that would have taken place with all of the talent when so bishop sign this guy by the name of Kurt Angle you WanNa go gold medal but this is this is what we do here and he's not going to lose Oh. I can't wait to work with him. Can I work with him. I is I want him to beat me imagine that I don't think live through it. No there would have been so much that doesn't work for me brother yeah well from everybody yeah exactly yeah everybody what about Rhino Rhinos a name who recently popped up he allegedly according to the room and Innuendo and you know we know how that goes turned down the W._B._Z.'s offer saying that <hes> while he would have made more money. He felt like he wouldn't have been utilized when he wanted to be more active and instead opted to go to work with impact. You worked with him a little bit in both places then you get rhino stories. You can share with US look. We don't talk about him enough. You only Rhino Story. I we have not much of a story is I think we were on I is in W._W._e.. And we were on our way to Australia and we had a like a six hour layover in Hawaii or eight our later short-leg of run wasn't overnight but it was a long enough where they got us a hotel room just to resin and Rhino and I shared room in Hawaii and as when I found out that he grew up in Detroit and was as a Michigan guy and we like the same music and went to a lot of the same places and new not that we knew of some of the same people while we're in Detroit respectively but we realized we had much more common than we ever thought we did. So there you go boring is it. Maybe that's my only rhino or I shared a room with him. In waikiki sounds very romantic cuddle. No we know we didn't cuddle not not not there. We you know we got familiar on the plane and sat next to each other and she added but no there was no culling. I'm not a cutler said you familiar on the plane MEILHAC LA. No you dip shit. This is the first time in a long time blue. She's not a sponsor this week and I keep looking for Baluchi transitions but there's nowhere to go so you're listening listening. This doubt you missed out has had a blue moment in Hawaii with rhino sow chaos here ringside inside and it looks like what are the tables is about to get <hes> well. You know you think after all these years they'd beat those damn things up a little bit. You can take him apart like a display at Walmart. I'm GONNA remember this when exploding exploding tables on smackdown. Hey wait a minute. <hes> have you the new thing on the independence by the way that <hes> they're not using tables as much anymore now. They're using doors. I have not seen that what what what the logic behind where first of all where did they get doors. Well probably like a home depot our lows or something like that they reach under the ring and there's just like a random fricken door under the ring. Is it really that weirder than they're being random candlesticks under under the ring well. That's a little weird but even ladders I mean I was watching that with Jeff Hardy Robert Damage..
"vern ganja" Discussed on The Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast
"We've got a great staff led by senior columnist, Bruce Mitchell. It's just it. Absolutely. If you listen to the show this long, and you love wrestling, and you want understand it more. And you want to enjoy it more, you know, sometimes you see isolated stuff here, isolated stuff. And you think we're all negative and cynical. And all of that, you look at the big picture, and you see the approach we take. And, and, and I think you understand why people who love wrestling love what we do on the VIP side of things, which is where the despite all the content we put on the life has for free. The vast majority of our effort, and our body of work. In the Mnuchin all the details that we cover day to day I were our in week to week is on the. Or if your pet Patterson yet, or have you, you know, I way back at the trial, he was there in Long Island. What was that ninety four? And I if you talk with me, and he said, yes. And then it I don't know what it just didn't come about. And then I saw him just a few years ago and had a long long talk with them after eight WWE show here in Minneapolis. And we're talking about Vern ganja and Awa I mean, lots lots of stuff, it was just a great great thing. But I didn't feel like I wanted to hound him that about doing an interview, but I'd I'd love to have time but now that you know, yeah, yeah. You know, I mean he's the Yoda of a wrestling, you know, jed eye masters. He's Yoda and, and like, you know you know what to ask. So I mean now it'd be that's that'd be gold right there. Yeah. He's if not at the very, he's might be the number one guy in the list of guys. I've interviewed that I'd like to 'cause he hasn't. He hasn't written the book he hasn't done a shoe. You know, I like to talk to people who haven't, you know, who I feel that there's things that haven't been set or explored yet, and there's no doubt with, Pat. That's all right. Let's continue this conversation. Bomb show. Trump. Day, I never knew I Mitchell on the Bruce Mitchell audio show, which for a lot of people, the number one reason to go VIP. He did. On Sunday and he was talking about it, and he said, you know there was that race Stevens wedding. And we're still story better than I can. But Ray just said my partner. Pat, Patterson would never participate in something like this, you know. And I just exactly right. But yeah, this idea that it was some bombshell, and yeah. But anyhow, where's my where's my play out music? Here's my play music. All right. Sean woman, thank you so much plug plug anything you need to or want to hear. How can people follow you, what's the best way website, Twitter, Facebook? What is it? Oh, it's real x puck on Twitter and this this, this weekend, where we're at the plaza in Providence, Rhode Island and it's, it's just called fantast. It's and it's gonna be a ton of people here on the guy's got home. I self diner. There's quite a few people after like. I know you can go to question productions website and, and find out who all's going to, you know, fear for sure yeah. Yeah. That's what, what me and that that and I'm just keeping busy every week too much to go way too much to try to tell you on the air. You know, come on here to plug my stuff anyways, you know, I know. But people I mean people might wanna follow you keep track of what you're doing. So I'm doing it for them as much, if not more than you so over your. Oh, yeah. And that'd be a wolf pack dot com. If you wanna buy something I go excellent. I, I hope I said that, right. I don't even remember my own domain name very good. I think everybody join us. Join mitchell. Tribes Bryant.
"vern ganja" Discussed on Newsradio 830 WCCO
"And Greg and GM when they're there on Sunday, they will also be happy to sign the books and you can ask them questions. But the movie starts at six okay, so doors doors open at the Parkway Sunday, five o'clock the movie, the wrestler, okay, George after watching this again, among the wrestlers who did the best job acting. Wow. You know, I sat through all of the tapings of the matches, and, and I guess, if got just a moment, I'll tell you a quick story. Yeah. Vern ganja in the movie, of course, is the aging champion and the concept of the movie is they don't want him to die in the ring, and they want him to lose the title before, too young challenger, which is played by Billy Robbins, and they I mean how many times those to wrestle? Probably a good dozen or so times over the course of of three year period. It was one of those classic matches because baby faces. Yeah, they're good. Guys won match in particular during the taping Verne was wrestling against Nick Bach winkle. And it was supposed to be one of these in the story line that Nick was a top challenger and could could Vern topple him well, during which we saw wrestling all the time. Exactly. And during the teaming Vern delivered a drop kick to Nick and legitimately knocked him out. I mean Nick jolted back and he was out. They had to stop the filming and Nick was shaken a little bit revived and Nick and true character when he finally came to, and they were ready to start the taping again he turned to the crowd, and he said that will never happen. You know, it was such a great atmosphere in the old, Saint Paul auditory him right in that era. They actually pumped smoke into the arena because in those days, you'd have the fans that would be having their heaters to Gars your and it was just the time. And so it was very if you watch the movie there's just so much Minnesota history in it. Like I said the landmark center you can go downtown there, and in Saint Paul right now and, and it the landscape of that area has changed so much, but it is a fun movie. And in the end, we won't tell the ending, but it's just a classic and it'll be on the big screen, and, you know, Chad when it first debuted, it was they aired this thing they had premiers all over the country because the wrestlers at the premier's aired at the man theater. In Bloomington, when it they knew and it was like they had red carpet out all the wrestlers were there in their tuxedos, with their wives or significant others, and it was just a huge event. It got covered by all major wrestling magazines of the time. Got coverage on television at the time, and it's just a really if you're a fan of wrestling, you're gonna enjoy seeing it. If you've never seen it, you're gonna love it and just remember that the things they tell you in there. They sorta broke that wrestling wasn't real, but they never really set it. Wow away. And talking about the risks that wrestlers take even though you know that the fans for those that don't believe that it's real three arranged finishes but it's a story line and it's a soap opera and it's told so. Well, there's a locker room seeing where the bruiser the crusher. I mean who can get better memories than those to correct? And they come into the locker room after Edward Asner character. The promoter is beat up by the gang and the crusher and the bruiser clean house in only the way. Well, we'll finish right there George because we gotta get going here. So reminder, the wrestler, this Sunday, Father's Day. But it's late or not guarantee a lot of fathers. We'll have fun seeing this at the Parkway, legendary theatre. Doors open at five George will be there. Gregogna our guy, Jim Brown sell. It'll be well worth the watches for phenomenal 'cause Georgetown about, and the movie starts six, George, always a pleasure. Thanks so much for reaching out. I really enjoy the conversation as always. Chad. Thank you so much. Well worth checking out again, Parkway this Sunday. Doors open at five film starts at six. It's two fifty one. That is the Linda's construction timeshare time to create a more energy, efficient home. We season guard windows,.
"vern ganja" Discussed on Talk Is Jericho
"So he had a contract waiting for me when the aircraft landed back in Amarillo, and I signed contract to be a professional wrestler on the wheels of TWA for engineering. So it was kind of your your your destiny almost if you grow up with your dad is the promoter, and was did you want to do it or whatever you kind of more thinking about being a pro football player. I was thinking about pro football. But my father came me the way to become a professional wrestler my first year in the business, kind of sounds strange ironed sixteen thousand dollars doesn't sound like much at all. But that was making mantle sound celery. Wow. For the New York Yankees the same year nineteen sixty three you made sixteen thousand dollars in nineteen sixty three. Yes, that's huge. Then I mean, that's gotta be it doesn't sound. But it is. But like you said with the inflation calculator, and that's got to be five hundred thousand dollars four hundred around there. Yeah. Wow. So you're territories was the territory was that hot at the time. Not only the emerald territory. But thirty territories across the United States Canada. There were five territories in Canada. Right. You know, you earn? Exactly. Yes, stampede. Yeah. State peed. Wrestling, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Hawaii Australia through a lot of places to work in those days where you working on top in Amarillo. My father was a promoter. Typical right here. First year first year, I in the privilege of having the people the Newham that came in to work with me and Amrullah Texas Luther as that O'Connor Sonny Myers who I know. You'll know, but others may not it was real. It was a challenge. But at the same time, it was such an opportunity for John is another one, and what a group of guys to learn from out of those guys that you're talking about. I mean, those are some of the greatest of all time of a are ever. Yes. Right. Where they give you vice or were they willing to help you out a bit or where my father didn't have Karaj for cars. He had two car garages attached house, but it had a wrestling mat on the floor, and our cars, we didn't care where we park them. Wrestling practice in the garage, and he had wrestlers like Ruffy Silverstein Vern ganja, Bob geigo, those are really big names in amateur wrestling, and they came in and they trained with me they worked out with me, and I can still remember, you know. The lessons. They taught me. Bob geigo. He looked at me says I'm gonna tell you I'm gonna get your right lane. And then I'm gonna do it. Just made a move on bombed, ideally, grabbed my arm. He pulled it down at blocked with my leg. And he had my leg picked it up. And I was on the ground, but I had some great athletes. Great amateur wrestlers and great professional wrestlers to learn from especially in my first year. Do you? Remember your first match down Fargo. Yes, never forget it. Tell us about that. Were you nervous? I was a bit nervous. I had. An all American from west Texas university, Jerry, Logan. He was running back. He was my second. Dan Fargo Ed is brother for second the whole west Texas football team. Was on one side and the whole test Costa high? I'm interesting team was on the other side. And I was very very to tell the truth. Very nervous going somebody going up against somebody like down Fargo. And fortunately, I came out with win on a match, and it was just a start of career that opportunities for football. But I never looked back. I stayed with professional wrestling all the way, it didn't take long for Dory to become into be champion. And I wanna get into that story. I if you guys listening or sick and tired of paying high interest rates in credit cards, and you wanna consolidate your payments down to one payment at a lower rate than you. Gotta check out light stream..
"vern ganja" Discussed on Maltin On Movies
"It may be it's not just a question of flaw. But it's, you know, a friend says to me, you know that. It's I think of this expression. You know, the the best is the enemy of the good sometimes. And now and also I'm I'm obsessed lightly. By is expression. That's come into very common usage. Nailing it. I don't like this work. There is no nailing it and nailing. It is also when you think about it. It's about stopping the motion of something, you know, it's killing it. It's putting it, of course, it means perfection and well done, but also the image is like nailing down keeping that knowing what it is. You know, keeping it where it's supposed to be not letting it slide around and the truth is, you know, on Monday, something that's great can be horrible on Friday and something that's great on Friday can be you know, horrible on Monday. So you got to have that kind of you gotta let the reality. And the reality is imperfect, and it's contradictory, and it's disappointing and all those things. Again, you're you're you're not proving your point. You're. You're becoming your point. Ailing it, by the way, we have an ongoing is about to say his favorite about which is better nailing hit or criminal killing it or crushing it. These are his favorites. He likes to ask people, which would you prefer to be doing killing or crushing? Nailing? I was thinking Jesus and you graduate. You've been there crushing it. I think of the crusher I grew up in the mid west at the time before before all, you know, where there were sweaty gyms where these guys would go around on tour and do these all star wrestling's most show lack and the crusher were. Vern ganja. So whole world. Let's look at the clock back a little bit. You do come from Wisconsin. Yes. That like. Small town, the great state of Wisconsin. Yes. When I grow up, I think it was fifty thousand people, and it was it had some universities. It had. It was a big paper mill town when I was growing up. So it was light industry is kind of the seed about quite rural area. It had a paper institute. World-class paper institute. Yeah. It was very, you know, Ari struck that of surnames were were German and English. They ran the factories, and then there were Italian polish names and they worked in the factory. So there was a little bit of a class thing there that I was wasn't that conscious of when I was a kid, but I look back on it. And I think that was really strong there. But it was pretty monoculture is very white. It was it was a good place to grow up. But as I became interested in things outside of their I found Dino, also some very narrow mindedness, and I people get disappointed. I don't mean to slag it. It's was a wonderful place to grow up, and it's probably changed a lot. But I had a lot of trouble. When I was reaching adolescence about really feeling like if you didn't stay line. They take it out. You know, kind of an oppression social oppression. That lead in any securities or you're acting. Maybe maybe I don't know. I don't know. I think you know, my. If you looked at a psychological portrait, probably the reason, why became an actor initially was I came from big family, and you know, you all take your roles, and I was kind of I was probably the least talented, but I became the entertainer. By default. You know, and when you first siblings five sisters, two brothers. Yeah. And I think when it starts out, it's a social thing. And you know, yes, you do sports and things, but what you get reinforcement for is being in the school play. So it starts out as that thing. And then as you get older, I never thought of it as a profession, and I never drained a lot did go to university for a little while. But then something else happens and you start meeting artists and you start meeting. People that make their life. Make a living out of being being an artist and you travel a little bit. And all of a sudden it takes on a different dimension. You use the word before I got to use it on you mask. What you said. I ask. All actress put on asks some more than others consciously or more overtly than others. Yes. You've literally. What on a number mass as well as figurative? Yes. And..
"vern ganja" Discussed on Something to Wrestle with Bruce Prichard
"Also on sale now he'll be there in late March the twenty second twenty third and twenty four which is Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane. So you gotta be on top of the law vents, man. They're sneaking up on its Bruce pitcher dot com, and Bruce one of the things I wanted to, you know, do on this show take maybe a little bit of a different approach because sometimes I like to cross examine the, and that's not really what today is gonna be about. Just want sell. -brate the life and times of Beijing, Oakland, you know, one of the things I was thinking about its high. We're going to cover the good the bad the ugly with being, gene. There is no bad. There is no, yeah. I can't think of any ugly, gene. Yeah. I can't think of any bad, you know, obviously had some some health issues. But he's one of those rare guys I never heard anybody say bad word about now. You're not going to either. And gene Oakland was he was a friend. He was colleague, and it was educational to get to be around, gene all those years. And I thoroughly enjoyed every single second of it. Well, let's start from the beginning. Gene was born Eugene Arthur Oakland on December nineteenth nineteen forty two in South Dakota of all places, and he grew up he described himself as a semi wrestling fan. He would watch it when it came on late night in the fifties. Of course, he's watching Awa up there. And then eventually when he goes to college he he goes to the university of Nebraska where the guy who would go on to be the baron baron. Von Raschke, any good early main, gene Raslan stories, you can remember is like back in that day. Everybody had a favorite or a moment or memory? I mean, even now I guess I can point to lob events it'd be like that's what I was wrestling fan. You know, I guess back in in the day during that time, especially in that area. It was all about Vern ganja was all about the A and growing up in that area. If you didn't know who earn ganja was he was more popular than the pope in many ways. So it was that was the big deal. Then in that was that was the guy. That's gene grew up on. He didn't just jump right in the wrestling business that which I think a lot of people assume that that was always the plan, but it really wasn't he graduates college and goes into radio, which makes sense. I mean, he had one hell of a voice and he's winding up at Kailai L Omaha. Nebraska, eventually moves to Minneapolis continues. In radio has about a nine year run there. He also starts eventually sailing for a television station in Minneapolis and television sales. That's that's not an easy sell as -burse. Now. It isn't. But at the same time when you you are salesman. Okay. So, you know. Gene, Oakland was the epitome of salesman. He was constantly selling which made him such great pitch, man. And that's why he was such a good interviewer because he knew what points to hit to get people interested in the product and make them get off their sofa come down and see the live events. Well, and so that's sort sorta how this all happened. You know, feel like we told a similar story on eighty three weeks there Michelle for he talked about how the announcer for the Awa was arrested for DUI couldn't make a shot. And then they asked the guy in and sales who had a good look come hold this microphone, and that's how air Bischoff got into wrestling and main gene, oddly enough has some similar story where the way is doing a live show every Saturday night and has gone. Mario Neil the announcer for the one day. He's ill. I can't come to work. So they asked Jean to come in and host the w that day, and gene has said he didn't really know much about wrestling as far as what to call the moon news, the holds and Vern told him to just sit down and call what you see and jeans. That's probably the best vice he'd ever got. The story of how this is really just a happy accident and maintain wads on the wrestling business as incredible as not an it's funny because that story is so similar a lot of the greats..
"vern ganja" Discussed on WGN Radio
"Down every single radio station on the dial. And they were playing this song fifteen times an hour. Captain antonio. We'll talk a little bit of reading and talk a little bit about Daryl dragging the captain from Catherine Antonio who passed away yesterday long with Bob Einstein. And we're discussing the career of the great mean Jean Oakland who was the greatest wrestling announcer and interviewer of all time and was present at some of the most historic moments in professional wrestling. We're listen to a little audio of him and talking about them if you guys want to jump in with any thoughts on these three huge losses and deaths that took place in one day. A matter of hours. All all of it exploded on social media and the internet with these three big huge deaths. We'll talk about all three of them. But we're we're talking about mean, gene right now three one two nine eight one seven two hundred is the phone number. Mean Jean did return to the WWE fold upon the closing of WCW variety of roles and appearances he was inducted into WWE hall of fame in two thousand six and he was inducted by HOGAN. Oakland's lasts WWE appearance came on January twenty second two thousand eighteen so about a year ago when he appeared on the twenty fifth anniversary of Monday night, raw and he interviewed then WWE champion AJ styles. This is an interesting his background is really interesting. He started as an interviewer in the Minneapolis based American wrestling association before moving to the WWE in eighty four in which his duties included. All American wrestling, he hosted that and Tuesday night titans and serving as the lead locker room interviewer, Jesse Ventura the great Jesse Ventura is the guy who who gave him the nickname. He wrestled Jesse Ventura wrestles the body before he was elected governor of Minnesota, of course, Ventura told the Minneapolis Star Tribune reporter on Wednesday in an interview he said laughably called him the mean Jean hot air machine. And the mean Jean stuck Ventura called Oakland the best at what he did the best straight man interviewer in wrestling history in the two thousand fifteen interview with the Star Tribune, Oakland credited the late pro wrestling pioneer, Vert ganja, the great Vern ganja for start Oakland said that he worked sales in the television. Station were Awa was based and he had experience in radio you approached Oakland in the hallway when the regular interviewer could not make a taping in the early seventies. And Oakland recalled by saying, I sat Vern I know zero about wrestling, and he said. He said, do you have a suit and tie? That's all you need. There were a few bucks involves. So I died then that's how we get started fern ganja had nothing new nothing about wrestling. And that's how we got started. A great story. You know, it's always sad when someone dies. And you know, especially somebody who had kind of the impact on a lot of people's lives. If you you're wrestling fan. I mean Mangini he's the man the man note nothing, but massive respect for the guy every wrestling fan from whatever age wrestling people have been wrestling fan for forty years. People have been wrestling fans for you know, three years. No who gene is and respect. What he did? He was one of the best in the business. Do we have any more? Sure, this one is a little bit longer. Just because it's the full promo where you kind of get the idea of his work with the macho, man. The only thing is the thing about gene, a part of what made him so great was kind of the subtle like looks. He would give to the camera and some of the physical stuff. Yeah. This is the infamous cream of the crop, promo savage is like using a little cream little Cup of coffee, Creamer, as his prop and he's putting it on his own head, and he slipped it in jeans pocket at one point. But you kind of see how Gina plays the straight, man. All right sedate. I'm certainly I guess that this time will not forget I've talking about the former intercontinental champion of the world macho van nothing.
"vern ganja" Discussed on WTVN
"The six o'clock six pack with Steve man. Newsradio six ten WTVN. We're only into the second day of twenty nineteen. Deflore dropping left and rights. Earlier today, we lost mean Jean Oakland wrestling plans, you know, who means gene was right? I used to watch the Awa the American wrestling association back in Minnesota. Run by legendary Vern ganja. And mean, gene, Oakland was one of the guys that did the interviews with the wrestlers and stuff and he got himself into a tag team match with none other than hulk HOGAN, and I can't remember who they took on was like the iron Sheik and big John Stott or something saw that thing at the met center place was sold out to the max. And of course, the hulk stir grabs me, gene and throws him on whoever to get the closing pin? So mean, Jean Oakland has passed away. Also super Dave Osborne has died. I super Dave is no longer super. I I saw listed as his real name. No, that's sad. Because he was great on curb your enthusiasm a regular. He was a regular star on curb your enthusiasm and the article that I saw referenced him on there. And I it said is real name. But I just know him what did he pass away from? I just saw that. He was not that old. No, I don't think. So I think early seventies. I think he was seventy three. And then Daryl dragon has passed away. Now for those of you who don't know who Daryl dragon is. I mean, come on. Where were you in the seventies? Daryl dragon is a pretty pretty cool name, right? And Darryl was responsible for some flame throwing numbers. Do we have one of those cued up and ready to go? Not quite yet. Darryl.
"vern ganja" Discussed on Newsradio 830 WCCO
"You remember the golden age of wrestling in Minnesota. You've heard George on the show before we've talked a couple of times about wrestling the Calhoun beach hotel. The Minneapolis auditorium will George Shire has written the book, Minnesota's golden age of wrestling from burn ganja to the road warriors and less. Welcome George Georgia-born, George. Welcome back to the show. This time is aghast. Hey L. It's great to be on. And thank you so much. It's it's a pleasure. This book is a lot of fun. I received it on Friday and all weekend, I'm going through it and going, you know, things that you you've forgotten from your childhood, and this is a lot of fun. Thank you for putting this together. You're an avid wrestling fan as a kid, and you talk about in in your book that some problems in the family, your parents got a divorce, and you found professional wrestling is a young guy. How old were you? I was eight years old. They I'll win my parents. Finally decided to separate for the last time they'd been separated several times. And it was I was the oldest of six kids. So it was kind of to be blunt hell in the house, and I was really glad when they got divorced. But as any situation like that, you know, it's very traumatic all the children take it differently accepted differently. And I was just very fortunate than I mean, people think this is crazy, but I was very fortunate to find what I always say a drug called professional wrestling. And I turned it on in nineteen fifty nine. I was just eight years old and here is tiny male and stand crusher Kowalski. No one is murdering corporated and they were on TV. And they were just beaten some poor guy up. You know? And I I tell you what I thought it was great than I was hooked and man let let on from that. How old you know? I'm going to put this in relation to my age. I'm I think I'm your age. I'm sixty two. Okay. Yeah. We're we're in the ballpark. Yeah. I to me. Rustling really came about in the fifties. But there was an earlier era. Going back into the into the forties. Or is it even earlier than that? Well, wrestling's better around. Boy, I'll tell you what you can hear stories about ABRAHAM LINCOLN Lincoln having. But you know, seriousness in the twenties thirties the forties. Wrestling was around, Al. But it was usually in, you know, very smoke filled taverns and bingo halls and legions and things like that. And it wasn't until after World War Two that it really started to take off. And what really started that was television. When in its infancy television. We can all recall all the great shows that were on back in the forties fifties. But I'll it was wrestling that really was the television, boom. And it really is what made wrestling. Tell us about the the rustler's rustler and what area that Lewis at these loot? Sales says I had no idea. What Eric Russell Lou fads was actually a champion before World War Two. And he was probably the Pierre to me of what a wrestler was back in those days. You one of the things that a lot of people don't realize if you watched today's wrestling that is so much entertainment, and it is really a different world. But when you watch Lou says, Lou took the business, very very. He just was adamant about it being presented as real. And Lou was a real wrestler. There are looks like it. Well, I I could blame this in the book that there were hookers and shooters, and Lou was what was called a Hooker. And what that meant DAL is that if you got cute without with loose says in the ring, he could definitely snap your arm, break your leg. You know, anything and show you the boss real quick. He was a Hooker. He could take care of himself, and what promoters did back in those very early years is a lot of the wrestlers actually started out wrestling in carnivals that traveled around the country, and they would have a tough guy on board that would challenge all comers. So all the people that visited the carnival you'd get the big farm boy who thought he was topping he could take on this wrestler. But the carnivals always wanted to have a guy that was either a shooter which I'll explain in a second or the hook. So that that farm boy or big top tomboy could do it. They could make sure they could stop them. Yeah. You know, when you're talking about this guy being able to take care of himself. He's got a Zeke that. I would think would be the barometer for the physique at any guy in the world would want to have. I mean, this guy is just buff. Says had basically what was a wrestler's build back in the thirties. Forties and fifties, and he was pretty much the same type of a Bill that the majority of the wrestlers of the television era, the early television era had this is before steroids and all of the artificial situations. We have today L. Yeah. Yeah. And then you when you look at Minnesota wrestling. I would I would think tell me if I'm wrong that the number one name would be Vern ganja, and I didn't I didn't realize until I got your book. The honors that he had acquired as an amateur wrestler. And if you don't mind, let me go through this northwest AAU champion, nineteen forty two ministry. The Minnesota state high school champion nineteen forty-three big nine champion in nineteen forty four forty seven forty eight and forty nine national AAU champion nineteen forty-eight place on the US Olympic team in nineteen forty eight and the AAU NCWA champion nineteen forty nine. He was the real deal. He was the real deal in one of the things that was real special in that era from after World War Two lawn is wrestling was presented as real. And you know, we've all heard the stories, and we can talk about this. But someone would say, well, how can you watch that fake stuff? Or you know, it's not real it's fake. And I will tell you many of the wrestlers they were they were just profound about not admitting that the endings of the matches were predetermined they presented it as real. And when you have guys like Vern ganja and Wilbur Snyder and Liu says, and I'm gonna throw out a name that may surprise some people but mad dog Sean who were Olympia they were they represented their countries in the Olympics. They were amateur wrestlers they wrestled in high school and college and Vern ganja brought that that amateur side to wrestling. So that you saw real contests. Real hold real counter holds. But then you added the glitz and the cops Jewison the characters along with it for the professional side, and you needed that entertainment. Because really what happened. What's wrestling was dying before World War Two? And the reason it was dying was because they would have guys that would go in the ring, and they would be in a contest and have just a hold on someone for sixty minutes. And that wasn't exciting. People wouldn't pay to see people were falling asleep. So once you get the characters in and one of the characters during the television era that really set the whole thing on fire from the he'll standpoint was a guy named George Wagner. George Wagner was just a regular everyday wrestler for several years kind of going through the ranks not really getting noticed. He come up with a great idea. He said what if I grow my hair long bleach it blonde yet a permanent? And strut around the ring throwing Bobby pins and flowers to the ladies wear long fancy rolled gorgeous. George's born, and that was the boom to television because as vision was taking off in late forties and into the early fifties. When you had a guy like gorgeous, George that you could put on everybody in all the different. Territories clamor to get him on their local cards and with television. Not everyone owned a TV because back in those days as strange it sounds today television was a luxury and not everyone could afford one. So people actually would go to the house on the block that had television to watch wrestling overnight was on. Yep. George we'll take a break in open for phone calls. I'm open for anything. We want to talk about its pro wrestling. We could talk all night talking with George Shire. His book Minnesota's golden age of wrestling Vern ganja to the road warriors. We come back, and we'll talk about a little bit more about George gorgeous. George people love to see.
"vern ganja" Discussed on Talk Is Jericho
"But I realize now he's actually done the right that it's been so long since they've done the right thing with it that I actually didn't think it was going to happen. The NWEA was always a consortium of promoters. It was that you weren't a company champion as they say in the seventy Tanaka Vern or basically. It'd be a committee of promoters, east guy had to vote a guy in the. The the the the Indo delay was the only organisation the wwl was all controlled by Vern ganja and his interests, and and the Doda WF in then WWF WWF of always been the McMahon family won promotion, but the wwl was every other promotion practically in the country all the guys Eddie Graham in Florida and the various offices in Georgia and everywhere from California to Texas, etc. Recognized one world champion the NWEA champion and what they're trying to do. Now is they're trying to just bring back importance to the championship. The guy who holds it is is a star. That's over just like the old days. He's traveling around to different promotions rang Avante or England China, and they've been defending the title all over the world just like the old days. They're not worried about being a promotion in itself. They are. They're restoring the faith in the NWEA is a world champion as a. Talented wrestler Holden it and as a traveling champion. Right. And you know, one thing that makes a built in wrestling is sometimes it's the guy that holds it. But more often, it's the number and the caliber of the people that are challenging for it that would like to have it. And that's what they're starting to build. Now. Nick was a great champion. He brought the thing back into prominence but cody's little hotter. Right. And it feels like he got a hometown decision at all. Because Cody is one of the promoters imagine that. Yeah. So now cody's a little hotter in the as of the people. And and and now he's got it. But Nick still wants it. And also they've got other challenges lining up. They're gonna crown on national champion at the end wwl seventies, which will sort of be like, the if you're a WW fan, the intercontinental title in days or the United States championship or whatever of a level that you can reach and be in contention for the world title and have something extra so the, but they're trying to do that from from from the top down. And I think that's the right way to go about it instead of trying to NWEA's coming now to the tumbler Iowa, okay before we talk about all in and the bucks, and Cody and sation sweeping the nation..
"vern ganja" Discussed on Newsradio 830 WCCO
"Nine to noon today and tomorrow. After our talk about civility will we're going to pivot here for a little bit. Talk about something. That's not very civil. But boy was it fun. I know that many of the listeners enjoyed this the way I did as a kid and it is one of Minnesota's legacies. We can talk about posted notes or lucky charms or all the great things that have come out of Minnesota. But I think one of the most iconic things is professional wrestling. And the Awa and joining us now is Steve Marsh, Steve's a writer, and he penned a piece for Minneapolis, Saint Paul magazine about the history of the Awa, and I gotta tell you. It was a little romantic as I started to think about those Saturday and Sunday mornings in front of the TV with the bowl of cereal, and then acting out those moves with my buddies later in the week, Steve thanks for joining us. Yeah. So you went to a local wrestling match in started to kind of relive Minnesota's legacy. What did you find a lot of a lot of these guys? They're maybe not a lot. A lot of them are getting up there in age and they're still around the state like a Bloomington alone. You know, I found the sod BUSTER was there. And he the sod BUSTER any the sod BUSTER, I went up to Saint Cloud, and I met with Larry. The hammer. Yeah. The will the app the ax Hennig the AXA. Yeah. Mid-upper dad? Yes. From Robbins, Dale Minnesota are used to. I went to church every Sunday, I would watch wrestling. And then I go see jumping Jim Brown's Al a few rows ahead of me. And he actually met me downtown, Minneapolis. But he's still out there. Lake burn ganja, son. Greg is in Bloomington. He was kind enough to meet with me. And what did they say about kind of? I mean, they're still around wrestling is obviously, I think one of the big things you pointed out was Vern ganja came up with this. Minnesota was the birthplace. But none of them got rich off of it. Did they well? I mean, Minnesota wasn't the birthplace. It was like it was kind of like the mob in that every every kind of region have their own kind of wrestling promotion. Yes. And and burn Donges was he was our local boss, Scott. I think what he did come up with is this. He was a television star. And she got it on television his own his own promotion, and he really cared about trying to make it as real as possible. You know, like he was really caught up because he was a a gopher. A great wrestler in real life. And he never got his because he's a little shorter than some of the glue stats was the the big star the fifties when Byrne was coming up. Yep. And he never got to beat Liu says 'but championship belt. So he bought his own promotion. Got the balance out, but he did really care about like does it look good. You know, does it does it look real the production competitive? You know, is can these guys really hammer each other and take bumps? Yep. You know in in the ring, and then and then in the just whatever his strategy was he ended up uncovering star after star after star like, you know, he trained he trained hulk HOGAN yuppie who who he is. He he literally trained, you know. Jesse ventura? Yup. All these guys came through here, you know. And they they that is I think what people. I mean. I think I mean, I truly grew up with it. And then watched it exploded onto the national scene to the WWE. And that's where Vince McMahon kind of nationalized it, and there were these regional wrestling circuits as they say and Vern brought it to TV. And then I remember when we got cable than TNT had some of the southern circuits, and then those kind of blew up into the WWE. But if I if you think about it those characters I thought, you know, the story about the claw in the magazine this month was fascinating. Because the reason he became a close because he couldn't talk to the camera. Right. Well, I mean, she she was hot and just like this all this stuff, the nomin closer and everything comes out of the carnival. Circuit and in the same way. Like, you have kind of an apprenticeship and baron. Von Raschke apprentice, wasn't his mentor. Wasn't burned gonyea was actually mad dog. Yep. Under his wing and taught him how to how to rile up a crowd how to get them to care about something to and and he used the stock character at the time, which was which was the nasty the German, the German German, and then it was in the ring when Barron learned for his finishing move by the Kiwi wrestler who was like, hey, put it put your hand on my head. And he forgot about it. He forgot about it until like it was like more than a year later. And then the guy's like, hey, you know, put your climbing again. And then he was like, oh, wait this could be my move. Yeah. So yeah, it's more. Like, I mean, it's not too many generations removed not at all from the the county fairs, and and and the Carney used to come through town like in when they say things like Cape pay or getting you over. This is all carnival speak. Still like, this is kind of old timey stuff that that that the real innovator here, the guy who has changed the culture, and I think impacted our culture beyond wrestling, and you know, just ain't nothing of how he's impacted boxing Mayweather that thinks he's taught him. How to do is Vince McMahon junior ruthless kind of New York sharpie who took his dad's regional mob business international. You know? Yeah. No. I think that's good. We're talking to Steve Marsh writer for Minneapolis, Saint Paul magazine about the Awa and American wrestling association, Vern ganja. Just the stars that came up through there. And that was one of the pieces of the so many of these people came out of college wrestling and they needed a job, but they've done needed a stick. And one of the things was the Chad Hartman, and I were talking about the other day was depending on who was the villain at the time. Some of these characters would change which country their allegiance what's from. And we were thinking about the chic and that he was from Iran and Iraq sometimes same show. And if you think about, you know, geopolitics today that foreshadowed allied lot. Yeah. I mean like. The same way. When Trump like uses talks about the wall. Yes. These these evil terrorists who are coming through our southern border. It's the same BS that. Iron Sheik used. Just trying to get under the skin. Now, it used to be okay. It used to be about it. It it was like opera for the working classes where we'd all auto into the Civic Center. And and even if you're a plight person, you'd scream your head off, and you get it out of your system, and then reality would start when you got home. And now it just feels like man everything's Awa. It's all been in the blender for awhile here. Stephen now, it's an interesting new cocktail that we're all drinking every day. Our first hour today. Steve if you weren't listening was about civility in politics. So right, there you go. I it is. There are some parallels always been show biz aspects of politics there half. But the way that that that Donald Trump is literally taken some techniques from from McMahon that were developed for over decades in in the upper midwest here by Vern Donya, and his basically troupe of actors who are gladiators, you know, what? Trump wants had a battle with Vince McMahon, right? Yeah. They they had a they they were actually in wrestlemainia together. There was it was like a again. This is an old Carney thing. The the the loser have to shave his head. You know, let me guess nobody lost. I think Vince loss. Now, of course, he won Donald Donald one. He d he doesn't lose and he's not tired to win. And yet, Steve if you haven't heard well, and whether he wins or loses he we care either way he gets over every single day every single hour. That's for. Sure. Well, Steve, thanks for joining us. It was a great piece. I encourage listeners to pick it up to Minneapolis Saint Paul this month. It's on the cover is all about beer, and it's a great piece on the history of professional wrestling, the depth and the characters of Minnesota, and it was a great rate, especially going back to my childhood. I'm voice Olsen. I'm in. Thank you very much. Thank you. Steve. I'm in nine to noon today. And we're talking about civility. We're talking about wrestling the last hour, we're gonna talk to the battle of diner represented Dario and Salamo and and his challenger Heather Adelson are going to be in studio might be Minnesota's most expensive house race. And we're going to talk to them about what it's like all the outside mail. What are the issues, and where are there real differences boy salsa nine to noon on news talk? Eight three w c c o on.
"vern ganja" Discussed on Something to Wrestle with Bruce Prichard
"Jim Crockett's of the world Bill watts of the world that had television shows locally in their area. They sold all that the talent never saw dime the. The merchandise it was sold. The promoters kept all of that talents on none of that. If I feel like you're doing like the what aboutism thing right now where you're saying, okay, this. Yeah. Well, listen, I'm not arguing the guys are making. I mean, we, we started this section of the show by saying, I know so many people there who have done so much better financially this year compared to years prior. I mean, I get it, I understand, but I do think that pivoting to well, it used to be shady like this to, you know, what I'm saying is, is that you know since nineteen Eighty-four WWE guys got royalty merchandises they didn't get that at mid south. They didn't get that Vern ganja and Crockett, and those guys were selling images of them for years and the talent never saw any of that. They would sell the TV shows four years in guys never got anything of that nor for the most part, did they have any contracts that even said one way or the other that the wrestler would release their image? So the businesses changed so much in a short. Time and it's will continue to change. I'm sure. Let's talk a little bit about the way you used to look. We're talking about the way things used to be well, does he use to have more hair than you do now? Is your hairline slowly starting to move backwards? Got any ball spots yet. Well, now thanks.
"vern ganja" Discussed on Something to Wrestle with Bruce Prichard
"But you watched it back for the first time in a long time this week to what did you think. I thought that it was a damn solid show. You know it had some parts of it that weren't the best in the whole world. But the overall show in to me, it was the telling of the stories. I thought that the stories were told brilliantly and it. It was a good time in the business where there were a lot of things happening, and we were doing some untraditional things that we're working. So it was it was a fun time because was never really knew exactly what the hell was around the next corner. Well, let's talk about in how we got here should set the stage. I guess before we talk about the actual paper, the paper e though went down on August third nineteen ninety seven. So as you're listening right now, it was twenty one years ago at the Continental Airlines arena in East Rutherford, New jersey, and it's the first event from as Rutherford since like summer slam eighty nine. So it's been quite a while eight. Yay. Years or so. And this has mainly because of the high taxes that wrestling events had to pay in New Jersey during these years. So McMahon, just sort of took the show on the road and just wasn't run there. But then in nineteen Ninety-seven, then New Jersey Governor MRs Christine Whitman lifted those taxes, which led to the WB f. returning to New Jersey for televised events. And you may remember that this particular issue is what got a lot of people in the wrestling business upset on February, tamp, nine hundred eighty nine. Vince McMahon appeared in front of the state of New Jersey Senate and said that wrestling should be defined as quote an activity in which participants struggle hand in hand primarily for the purposes of providing entertainment to spectators rather than conducting a bona fide athletic contest and that upset a lot of old school wrestling people that are not yet. And I think that was absolutely silly because. Is when you go back in time and you look at people, the traditionalist and the old shooters if you will old promoters like ROY, shires, and San Francisco and Vern ganja. And the w. a. who had done the same thing without athletic commissions in their areas where they ran that the Atlantic commissions were taking what they considered unfair portion of the gate, and they had done the exact same thing in front of their states and got the taxes abolished back in the time. Vince was doing it in New Jersey, just had a lot more eyeballs on us at the time and it wasn't a revelation. Yes. What the business was work was then it was now and it was silly that they were taking a five percent cut off of everything we did, and then wanna five percent of the pay per view revenue and television contracts it. No, we'll just not run there. It's crazy to think about that. You know, once upon a time people could get away with that, but kudos to Vince McMahon to standing strong, talk me through how this you know, return to New Jersey comes to be. Christine Whitman is actually going to appear in front of the live crowd while I'm sure we'll cover that and we get the actual pay per view, but they make a big to do about this and it feels like Vance had to have some sort of a relationship with her. How do you recall this coming together? Well, it was a big big to do because we chose not to run our big events there because of this, and they saw that they were losing not just. The pay per view revenue. They were. They were losing live event revenue as well. So we just said, hey, you know what will run somewhere else we can run across in Pennsylvania..
"vern ganja" Discussed on WTMJ 620
"The issues that he's going to be concerning itself with his north korea and we're going to talk about that in a little bit plus an amazing documentary of the guy who did the civil war documentary and he's done baseball documentaries ken burns he's got this documentary and vietnam i watched it last night the first hour and a half that it runs for light fourteen fifteen sixteen hours first hour and a half is absolutely may using we gonna talk about that coming up in a little bit but i want to be just the ted selfindulgent for just a moment when i grow up i was a fan of pro wrestling my late grandmother to this day that will put your dying day she refused to believe the fact the crew wrestling was predetermined in oshii cheetah's and it's all that that's an and she would but i would say i can't tell you how many hours i spent from when i was a look it in a watching pro wrestling with with my grandmother and she was she was just into she was just into if she's actually very sweet woman but she was just like into pro wrestling so i i came by a came by my interests um legitimately so growing up here in milwaukee wisconsin i used to remember watching the show's can i see a show of hands like the old american wrestling association the awa with vern ganja and the crusher and the bruiser and mad dog with sean and dr rex and all these people i i used to watch it a lot i'd actually sometimes i i tend to go to the matches that the old milwaukee auditorium now the milwaukee theater i bring this up because over the weekend one of the legendary characters first of all in the american wrestling association awa and later on on a tvs part of wwe body the brain heated one of arguably the greatest wrestling managers in history on passed away over the weekend dumb after fighting cancer died at the age of of 73 he was diagnosed with throat and tunky answering 2002 spent several years battling.
"vern ganja" Discussed on WTMJ 620
"First hour and a half it it runs for life fourteen fifteen sixteen hours first hour and a half his absence amazing we'll talk about that coming up in a little bit but i want to be just a tad selfindulgent for for just a moment when i grow up i was a fan of pro wrestling my late grandmother to this day with her dying day she refused to believe the fact that pro wrestling was predetermined it oshii he just as all adds that sin and she would but i i would say i can't tell you how many hours i spent for when i was a little kid in a watching pro wrestling with with my grandmother and she was she was just int she was just into if she is actually very sweet woman but she was just like into pro wrestling so i i i came by a came by my interests um legitimately so growing up here in milwaukee wisconsin i used to remember watching the show's can i see a show of hands like the old american wrestling association the awa with vern ganja and the crusher in the bruiser and mad dog with sean and dr rex and all these people i i used to watch a law last night actually sometimes i i tend to go to the matches at the old milwaukee auditorium now the milwaukee theater i bring this up because over the weekend one of the legendary characters first of all in the american wrestling association awa and later on a tv is part of wwe bobby the brain one of arguably the greatest russ ling managers in history on passed away over the weekend dumb after fighting cancer died at the age of of 73 he was diagnosed with throat and tunky answering two thousand two spent several years battling.